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Title: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: sidelines on May 02, 2005, 09:03:57 PM
Yan.....I wish the heck I would have known that before my kid went to BV...because if they give the equivalent of full rides...we got screwed.  HAHA   We still had a substantial family contribution, just as we did at Simpson previous to that, and the student loans that have to be paid back are similar also.  Actually, the financial aid packages that BV and Simpson offered at that time were very similar.  I agree that BV gives the kids with the not as high ACT scores a chance to prove themselves, and I can't remember an academic casualty at BV in the time I have been a follower of the basketball program.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: snakepit on May 02, 2005, 10:33:19 PM
Yan-  
 I wish Wartburg would have treated there football captains and volleyball captains like they supposedly do the basketball players. I'm paying off 40k in student loans that really could have used a scholarship.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sidelines on May 03, 2005, 12:30:58 AM
Yan....I agree that BV and Wartburg offer more than other IIAC schools, but it has nothing to do with money...I know that for a fact.  It has to do with hiring quality coaches and treating them well so they will stay.  Everyone can have an "excuse" why they aren't on the same level as BV and Wartburg, but it comes down to people.  I know the players at BV would have gone to war with VH any day and he would have done the same for them.  That  means everything in building a consistent  and solid program.  I'm sure the Wartburg people would say the same about Peth.  He's a quality person.  How many other IIAC programs could make the same claim?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Keith Parris on May 03, 2005, 11:19:14 AM
Sidelines,

That is very true, your last post. Since I played at UD, we have had 5 coaches since 1996....no way to build a programm..Hopefully McDermott stays, as he has started a foundation there. In terms of academics, UD had its share of academic failures, but I think the higher tier schools place more emphasis on getting kids eligible, and staying eligible. I know for a fact that some of the kids at UIU (when they won the IIAC) werent the best students (I was in the same juco conference as 3 of them), but they were given the needed help...nothing dirty, just helped more than others. The money thing bothers me, and part of it is because you never know who is really telling the truth ( in terms of what they received). Being from out-of-state, I got a ton of money from UD, but still left there with $20k in loans (up to $70 now with MBA!!) and I know UD wasn't the most expensive schools in the IIAC..and I got a choir scholarship!!! lol, not really
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Crowdpleaser on May 03, 2005, 01:24:20 PM
I love the talk and how everyone believes that BV and Wartburg are just throwing free money around at kids and "paying" them.  Do any of you understand how financial aid works at the D-3 level?  Comparing them to a NAIA school is apples and oranges.  Does anyone know what NAIA stands for?  D-3 schools are angels compared to those guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sidelines on May 03, 2005, 07:05:55 PM
I have to agree that BV has the edge over the other IIAC teams because of location.  BV has basically two programs to recruit against in western Iowa...Northwestern and Dordt...and now perhaps Morningside.  If you look at the players BV has had the past few years of their run, most are from western Iowa.  Smith, Stribe, Jones, Peterson, Weber, Wiebers, Pelzer, Bissen, Campbell, Kies, Wittry and many others.  The trend is not going to change either with this year's recruits.  Like navy and gold said, BV is also expanding into Omaha and Kansas City to get some top players.  It's not about money..it's about location and quality programs..and this is my last post on this subject.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: navy&gold on May 03, 2005, 08:54:42 PM
I would add Briar Cliff to that list also with the new head coach Todd Barry.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: navy&gold on May 03, 2005, 08:56:24 PM
BV has also lost some key recruits in the past to Iowa Central because of money.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sidelines on May 05, 2005, 09:24:11 PM
BV's recruiting class is announced and analyzed on IowaPreps.com.   I'll post the comments of each of the players here.  The analysis is from the article:

Brian Fogelman - Manning - 6-foot-6
College Position: Power Forward
After helping his team to two consecutive final four finishes in Class 1A, Fogelman decided to turn down opportunities to play major college football to continue his basketball career in Storm Lake. This senior is a load to stop both inside and outside and continues to get better. Fogelman had recruiting narrowed down to the Beavers, Briar Cliff, and Dana.

Teddy Hawley - Ar-We-Va - 5-foot-11
College Position: Point Guard
Over the past few years, Hawley has proven to be one of the most effective scorers in the State. He put up some major numbers this year as he helped his team to an undefeated regular season. Hawley was a major recruiter and may have helped Buena Vista land Fogelman in this recruiting class.

Jonathan Millea - Davenport Assumption - 6-foot-7
College Position: Wing Forward
How far is Davenport from Storm Lake? After going to Mapquest, I realized the drive is 301 miles. The Buena Vista coaches saw Millea standout during the summer and liked his size and skills on the perimeter. They continued recruiting him until he decided to extend his basketball career at the college level in Storm Lake. He had it narrowed down to Wartburg and Buena Vista before making his decision.  

Casey Morgan - Storm Lake - 6-foot-7
College Position: Center
Rarely does the Iowa Conference produce talented centers but Morgan has a chance to be one of the best in recent memory. At the high school level, this senior was a man among boys and just physically dominated opponents. Morgan still has some things to work on but will be a load to stop in the IIAC.

Ryan Sones - Laurens-Marathon - 6-foot-10
College Position: Center
Although Sones is the only player on this list that I have not seen play, I have heard a lot of impressive reviews. This third team All Stater is 6-foot-10 and a thick 260 pounds. Sones finishes well around the hoop and is considered not your average Division III player at that size.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on May 06, 2005, 10:00:58 AM
And I thought last year's recruiting class was good...

Looks like VH has found another way to reload after losing a great class to graduation.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: navy&gold on May 06, 2005, 11:55:26 AM
You can add these to BV's class..

Travis Person, Tipton, 6'6" 220lbs
  Spent last season as a redshirt at D2 Augustana, will probably play the 3 or 4. I believe was narrowed down to Wartburg and BV until Auggie offered, still has all 4 years left

Andre Waugner, Omaha, 5'8"
  Will obviously play the point, was narrowed down to Wartburg and BV

Matt Cleveland, Sioux City, 6'7"
  Will play the 4 or 5, sounds like he could be a suprise guy
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on May 08, 2005, 07:39:39 PM
Mark your calendars now!  Wartburg will play an exhibition game at Iowa on November 9.  Knights become fifth IIAC team in 4 seasons to play a D1 opponent and it will be Wartburg's second game vs. a D1 since 2001.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Peter Duggan McGee on May 10, 2005, 11:39:39 AM
First, VH told a former teammate of mine once that the conference championship wasn't won with freshman, so with that said, I guess first year recruits don't have an impact according to the Beavers. (barring the possibility of a wiebers or weber which they don't have)

Second, Contrary to popular belief, BV got none of Wartburg's top recruits either.  That is so far from the truth that it is ridiculous.  

Third, BV will still be a good team cause they are always coached well, but who they get for recruits doesn't matter the first year but rather in 2 or three years.  

Lastly, As far as Wartburg goes, their experience and chemistry will be second to none and i think the only team who will challenge them will be BV, but they will only challenge them.  Wartburg will be too much.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: navy&gold on May 10, 2005, 12:52:08 PM
Ok peter
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on May 12, 2005, 02:57:35 PM
Storm Lake, Ar-We-Va, Carrol, Kuemper, Harlan, Sioux City, Manning, Laurens-Marathon.

BV is like a "who's-who" of Western Iowa basketball.  I've always been impressed with the names they've brought in.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Keith Parris on May 17, 2005, 10:25:32 AM
Former IIAC hoopers/coached/SID's/Fans,

I have an idea I am working on. Can I get an "All Decade Team" for your respective schools? I'd like to see 10 people on each team, preferably players who graduated and played at least 3 years. The decade team can be from 1990-2000 OR 1995-2005. I'll explain the idea later on. You can email me the list as well as posting it here, keithd45@yahoo.com

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on May 18, 2005, 01:18:57 PM
Here are 9 nominees for the Wartburg 1995-2005 team.  I'd through Atchison and Meeks in if not for the 3 year rule.

Jason Steege
Mike Pipho
Jake Olsen
Troy Osterhaus
Pat Morrison  
Rich Kloster
Thad Peck
Matt Freeseman
Nate Schmidt
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Keith Parris on May 18, 2005, 01:51:46 PM
SportsKnight,

Thanks! You may be contacted by me in a few, concerning my plan.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sidelines on May 18, 2005, 05:21:59 PM
OK..I'm going to take a shot at this.  I had to look back at the mid-90's teams to be able to do this, but these would be my nominations from BV for 1995-2005.

Adam Jones
Eric Wiebers
Chris Petersen
Scott Weber
Aaron Bloom
Nick Dentlinger
Casey Pelzer
Randy Bissen
Landon Roth
Brett Smith

Tough team to beat I would t hink.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: take a guess on May 20, 2005, 05:27:40 PM
Let's take a stab at this one.  Simpson's team from 1995-2005

Adam Doll
Nathan Ackerman
Chris Perrin
Bryan Martin
Joe Copolla
Jesse Harris
Dirk Walker
Josh Crandall
Jason Snyder
Matt Brown
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on May 26, 2005, 02:47:58 PM
Well, since this has been dead for awhile. Let's see your list Keith.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Keith Parris on May 27, 2005, 12:24:44 PM
Show....my list is damn near impossible. For players/fabns who have followed the IIAC for the past 8-10 years, you'll know that we have had 4 coaches, probably 20 players who played 1-2 years and very few players who graduated and were good to great players. I think McDermott is turing it around (I would have loved to play for him) and I think UD will be in the top half of the conference in 2 more years (Nick Thomas's senior year)..so that being said, my top players maybe unknown to most of you guys
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Keith Parris on May 27, 2005, 12:31:22 PM
But here we go:

Jeremy Puttman
Ryan Piccolotti (sp)
Mark Beinborn
Keith Johnson
Keith Parris
Eric Farley
Marlon Griffin
Nick Thomas (Assuming he stays and graduates)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Keith Parris on May 27, 2005, 12:38:09 PM
Take a guess,

Who is Chris Perrin?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: knowitall on May 29, 2005, 10:03:09 AM
PG at Simpson...all-time assist leader....was 2 years ahead of Doll and that group.  Lefty, not much of a score, but relentless and one of the best passers I have seen.. Very smart PG
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on June 01, 2005, 02:29:18 PM
SportsKnight - Get rid of "Jake Olsen" and put it "Mike Hotz."  Then, I think we can all agree that the list is complete.

Just giving you a hard time, Crowdpleaser.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Crowdpleaser on June 01, 2005, 07:22:35 PM
Thanks Lance.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on June 23, 2005, 10:42:50 PM
Sidelines, I agree with your list with the exception of Cameron not being on...1,000+ scorer, I believe 3rd all-time steals, led the conference in 3 pt.% senior season, and 3-year starter who always created mismatch problems for opposing teams.  Tough to keep that off, I'd put him over a couple of guys you have listed
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Keith Parris on June 24, 2005, 10:12:14 AM
Over Pelzer?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on June 24, 2005, 12:01:47 PM
Not sure who Aaron Bloom is. More than likely that's just because it was before my time at BV. I'm sure he must have been pretty good to make Sidelines' list, but maybe plug Cameron in there. I'd also try to make room for Nolan Stribe.  

Otherwise, just make it easy on everyone and let BV have an 11 or 12 man list...:-)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Yan Wesle on June 24, 2005, 03:59:52 PM
who are the top 4 teams in the conference going to be next year????
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach Hale on June 26, 2005, 09:02:06 PM
Okay i've been off the scene for a while and im back. i was looking at the post about all time teams. Well being a former UD coach i think ill take a stab at the all time UD team. * note some of these players didnt graduate but played at least 3 years

Jeremy Putnam
Eric Farley
Brian Isbell
Larry Jackson
Moses Arnold
Damon Rodgers
Mark Beinborn
Charlie (big man from NO)
Ryan Piccolotti

thats some that come to mind
Sorry to  
Keith Paris -i love you i recruited you but knee problems robbed you of explosiveness u would been on that list.

Keith Johnson- i recruited you to but too inconsistent to be considered great

Dewshannon Holmes- before knee injury and transfer to Mount Senario with me coulda made dat list.

Dat's all for now from Coach Hale proud owner of Final Four ring "99 from NAIA now defunct Mount Senario College
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach Hale on June 26, 2005, 09:03:08 PM
Charlie Anderson
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coach Hale on June 27, 2005, 12:39:37 PM
O SNAP I FORGOT ONE OF THE MOST VALUABLE ISIAH "ZEKE" JOHNSON MEMBER OF THE 1000 POINT CLUB 600 REBOUND CLUB CLASS OF 94
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on July 09, 2005, 08:41:14 AM
Since there's so much action here...I'll answer Yan Wesle's question.

1.)BV
2.)Wartburg
3.)BV's JV
4.){ insert your team here }
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on July 11, 2005, 11:18:23 PM
Wow, Show.  I think your BV bias has reached a new low.  Sorry about that rhyming, it was unintentional.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on July 13, 2005, 09:33:28 PM
You're a poet and didn't know it...

You could always insert that Wartburg JV team at #4 in the list above.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Peter Duggan McGee on August 02, 2005, 07:45:40 AM
1. wartburg
2.BV
3.Coe
4.Toss Up

I'm right..... Deal with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on August 15, 2005, 11:05:48 PM
Just testing to make sure my profile is still here...got waxed from the D3football site somehow.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on August 16, 2005, 09:05:38 PM
Looks like I cried wolf too soon... ::)  Thanks for the updates Pat!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on August 17, 2005, 09:31:15 AM
Keith and Coach Hale,

It's good to see other former UD basketball associations! I think Coach McDermott is doing a great job, and Keith I wish I could have played for him too. Let's hope that the corner has been turned. Nick Thomas is the next big thing, and some of the local talent is contributing.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on August 18, 2005, 10:52:41 AM
Yeah, I agree...I think teh next 2 seasons are key to UD's re-birth..Nick willbe solid again, and I think he''' continue to not be one dimensional..he can score, rebound good for a guard,and plays D (steals)..I swear, if UD can get 2 big men to average 10 and 6, they could be top 4 team next year...but we'll see..BV and Wart are still the teams to beat, but once you get to the conference tournament, anything is possible
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on August 18, 2005, 11:27:49 AM
I definitely agree. I don't know how much you saw them last year, but I was really impressed by their perimeter people last year. Not only were they pretty skilled, but they were poised for underclassmen. Have to get tougher inside though. Nick Thomas and that point from Bellevue are tough.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on August 18, 2005, 11:36:43 AM
true..not to many backcourts can average 40 pts, 10 rebs and 4 steals in conference..now its time for the bigs to step up!! I don't think Nick will average 25 points next year, as teams will be geared to stop him...but I think he'll still get his points
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on August 18, 2005, 01:54:18 PM
Couldn't agree more. I played inside at UD, and I was way undersized, but we've been weak inside at UD for 5 years. Hopefully that will change. Tell Mikey Rob 'hi' for me.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on August 18, 2005, 02:53:17 PM
Hell, compared to BV the past few years, the conference has been small on the inside! I talked to coach mcd a few weeks ago, and he told me about a couple juco big men coming in...if they can make the impact we think, UD should be decent..like I said, if we can get 20 and 10 from the starting 4 and 5 combined, and our defense picks up a bit, we should  be ok..Mike called me today too, havent talked to him in a few weeks..just had a baby, so my wife has me on house arrest..barely even play ball anymore, much less go to madison to hang out with him....the life of a father..can't wait for him to be old enough to I can teach him so moves!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on August 19, 2005, 03:14:17 PM
So I'm at work, and cruisin through the new site..just realized that I can flip between hoops and football..now maybe I'll look at the football page..andmy bosses boss walks in..so I'm makin small talk, hopin he doesnt look at my screen..and he leaves..and I realize..the new set up looks PROFESSIONALL..not like it looked cheesy before, but not like a CHAT ROOM..meaning..I CAN POST AND SCAN ALL DAY, AND NO ONE IS THE WISER!!!! well, except for the row of smiley faces..but if you scroll your screen down, no one knows!!
Anyway, Crowdpleaser, hit me up..got some scrimmages against WIAC teams this fall..also, I moved back to the Chicago area, so I am no longer coaching womens basketball at Edgewood College..I interviewed for the women's assistant job at Aurora Univ, anyone have any insight about the school?
Spartans, TOP 4 this season...I said it first, and I dont make predictions lightly
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on August 22, 2005, 04:56:22 PM
Place your vote now..something to talk about till pre-season starts...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on August 23, 2005, 12:54:49 PM
Sorry Keith, as much as I would like it to be Nick Thomas, Nate Schmidt is a player that just hurts you in every way possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on August 23, 2005, 01:04:46 PM
I think the perception of Nick is that he is just a scorer who takes a lot of shots...he'll break that perception this year though..got your email, sorry I didn't getb ack to you ..what are you up to now?? still playing, coaching?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on August 23, 2005, 02:54:30 PM
I definitely agree that Nick can take the ball to the hole. I can only hope that Wartburg won't win it, (but my gut feeling says otherwise.) I don't play a heck of a lot anymore. I'll play in some rec leagues in the winter. I teach at Beckman high school, and coach about everything under the sun. Keeps me pretty busy. Haven't talked to Farley, or Seiv in a long time. hell, haven't talked to Mike Rob in a long time either. Are we that old?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on August 26, 2005, 12:42:09 PM
I'm missing Wittry's name from the MVP voting ballot.  Talk about the polar opposite from Thomas.  I see Joekel made the cut?  Give anyone outside of BV a buffalo nickel if they can pronounce his name right...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on August 26, 2005, 02:16:22 PM
lol..will he start next year? did he have a rep in high school as a scorer?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on August 26, 2005, 11:54:02 PM
Wittry?  Yeah, he'll start. Will probably be one of the best, if not thee best defender in the league next year.  Kinda like a John Stockton, just needs shorter shorts.  Always finds the open man.  Not sure on his scoring average in HS, and that's sad since we grew up in the same town, but I believe he was injured his senior year.

If you were referring to Joekel, I'm not sure... He played HS ball over in Nebraska.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on August 27, 2005, 05:35:57 PM
Joekel:  Pronounced Yay-kel
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on August 28, 2005, 03:27:04 PM
Impressive sportsknight, impressive...  I forgot to exclude announcers/radio people.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 06, 2005, 09:12:49 PM
How is Buena Vista supposed to be this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on September 08, 2005, 10:03:51 AM
I'm sure Show and others will probably disagree with me, but I don't think BV will be nearly as good as they have been the last 5 seasons.  Fact is, they graduated their entire starting line-up, and probably have just 3 guys back that saw more than 10 minutes a game last year (Wittry, Schmidt, and Joekel).  The talk around here is that their recruiting class was pretty good, but you'll have tough time winning the IIAC with 2 or 3 freshman in your starting five, regardless of how good those freshmen are.  That said, I don't see BV falling past 3rd or 4th in the conference this year, and they should challenge for the title again next season.  I see them going 12-4 or 11-5 in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 17, 2005, 08:27:38 AM
If BV finishes 3rd or 4th, who is finishing ahead of them?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on September 17, 2005, 06:38:46 PM
Wartburg and Coe, possibly Simpson or Dubuque.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 17, 2005, 08:58:48 PM
Didn't Simpson win only 8 games last year? And is Dubuque ready to move into a strange new territory.....the top half of the league?  Those are high expectations.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: welseyanbulldog on September 18, 2005, 03:58:06 PM
Luther will win the IIAC this year!!!!

You will see by their roster when it is posted!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 18, 2005, 04:34:10 PM
You mean Luther will win A GAME in the IIAC this season, I can believe that at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on September 20, 2005, 10:57:34 AM
It's tough to pick against the team that's represented the IIAC in the post season the past 6 years or so...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 20, 2005, 01:55:34 PM
Exactly, even when BV or Wartburg lose key players, there always seems to be a player or two who emerges to be just as good or better.  That certainly defines great programs, which they definitely are.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on September 21, 2005, 10:05:21 AM
If UD gets some size, they'll be top 4 in the league...all they need is 3 big men to give them a combined 15pts 10 reb a game, and they are there..they have scorers, they have defenders, they have the IIAC's most dominating offensive threat (who also plays decent defense), and they have the added bonus of being able to sneak up on people..I actually think Nick Thomas will average less points this year, and UD is top 4 in the conference, plus pulls a shocker in teh conference tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 21, 2005, 10:30:41 AM
Dubuque definitely has the ability of stealth.  I don't need to elaborate on their success as of late.  Maybe it won't be such a shocker after all of this talk, if they knock somebody out of the tourney.  I'm sure we'll get a clearer picture by Christmas.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on September 22, 2005, 11:11:01 PM
From what I hear, UD picked up a couple juco big men that the Spartans are hoping can be that 15-10 combination that Keith was talking about.  I think McDermott is very close to getting that program turned all the way around at this point.  I think his biggest battle will be convincing his guys they can win against the Wartburgs, BVs, Coes and Loras' of the world.

As far as Simpson goes, everyone had them picked to be #2 or 3 in the league in the pre-season last year.  They have a ton of talent, but for whatever reason, couldn't put it together game in and game out.  They gave Wartburg one hell of a game in the first round of the IIAC tourney, and I think they'll be back to the top half this year.  If they get some breaks, and things go against BV more often than they go for the Beavers, Simpson could end up looking down at BV in the standings.

Two dates for Wartburg fans to write down:
November 9 (50 days away):  Wartburg at Iowa in an exhibition game
December 20/22 (90 days away):  Wartburg plays in adidas D3 Desert Shootout in Las Vegas
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on September 27, 2005, 04:23:59 PM
I think that the Player of the year poll is a crock of crap because there are players that are on it that didn't even make all- conference teams last year.  Furthermore, Jason Steege is not on that list either.  How can you leave Steege off of the list when he has been a first team all- conference selection each of the past two seasons?  Totally ridiculous if you ask me.  Schmidt and Steege are the only ones who should be considered with Wiebers, Bissen, Cameron, Ludovissy, and all those other guys out of the mix. 

It's gonna be all Wartburg all the time this year.....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on September 27, 2005, 04:39:29 PM
pdmcgee,
That's why it says.."Player from Wartburg", etc..and if everything from last year shakes out, it will be Schmidt or Thomas, no question..the edge goes to Schmidt because of his team..I think Thomas is the most valuable to his team, and the most unstoppable scoring threat, but traditionally the award has gone to a member of the 1st place team
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 27, 2005, 09:15:40 PM
Who are the big transfers for Dubuque, and where did they come from?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on September 28, 2005, 08:56:20 PM
I don't know if I'd write down that November 9th game...  Unless Iowa pulls its starters early, it will be about a 30-40 point game if you're lucky.  Good for publicity though...  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on September 30, 2005, 09:44:09 AM
Wartburg might fare better than you think.  I agree Iowa will definitely win, but I think it will be closer, more like 20-25 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on October 04, 2005, 01:18:14 PM
You know as good as wartburg is going to be this year I think that they will be able to surprise a lot of people when they play Iowa.  They are going to be able to do some good things against Iowa and it will give them a great experience and some great confidence heading into their season opening home tourney, the Buzz Levick Classic.  It is a chance for them to play against high quality players and in a fun atmosphere.  It will be a good experince for both sides.  Iowa will get a tune up out of it and wartburg will have a game under their belt as I said before, prior to starting their quest for a second consecutive IIAC regular season championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on October 04, 2005, 01:19:42 PM
Crowdpleaser??? Just giving a shout out to my boy..... Get up to waverly sometime after the season.

p
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoops4ever13 on October 05, 2005, 05:25:58 PM
I hear that simpson has a major freshman recruit comming out of red oak, Iowa.  SLUMP is his last name and hes already earned his starting job on varsity.  This kid will make an impact this year for sure and easily win player of the year as a sophomore. Hes about 6'5 and has some of the best handles that ive seen at the D3 level.  His shot is pretty good but hes more of a drive and dish sort of guy.  When he want to he puts the team on his back and can lead his team wherever he wants.  I once heard he dropped 60 in a high school game and didnt play the 4th quarter
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 05, 2005, 05:59:45 PM
Sounds like a load of BS.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 09:39:59 PM
Any chance this guy's number is 13? :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: welseyanbulldog on October 07, 2005, 03:52:05 PM
I am telling you to watch out for BV, Wartburg, and the Norse!!!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on October 08, 2005, 06:39:42 PM
Quote from: hoops4ever13 on October 05, 2005, 05:25:58 PM
I hear that simpson has a major freshman recruit comming out of red oak, Iowa.  SLUMP is his last name and hes already earned his starting job on varsity.  This kid will make an impact this year for sure and easily win player of the year as a sophomore.

Pretty interesting predictions considering practice doesn't start for another week.  Also, if this kid was really all you're saying he is, I'm sure that some of the rest of us that visit this board pretty regularly would have heard of him by now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on October 12, 2005, 11:34:38 AM
Um.... not to rain on anybody's parade but it really doesn't matter who simpson gets because the offense they run can be defended very easily if you have seen it every year year after year.  They are too predictable and even though they have a lot of talent they underachieve every season.  So, with that being said this slump guy sounds too good to be true.  Like sportsknight said, we would have heard of him if he was this good.

Knights, Beavers this year just like the last five years.... everyone else is playing for 3rd on down.  Thats just the way it is.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 13, 2005, 10:13:50 AM
Simpson is easy to guard, they run the same offense as Augustana, or vice versa.  They run to the same spots every time, and there is only a few variations.

However, in both teams defense, it is a sound offense, as it gets people in the right spots to make plays.  I get more excited about creativity and intinctive play, so I'm not a super fan of their offense.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 13, 2005, 11:42:55 AM
This Slump kid wasn't even the best player on his team, nor was he first team all conference...he played in NE..sounds like a decent scorer..listed as 6-3..so could he be the next superstar?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on October 14, 2005, 09:47:09 AM
I highly doubt it!

The person who posted this fabricated information on Slump is most likely the kid himself.  I would hardly call it a nice try......not buying it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on October 20, 2005, 09:50:57 AM
Word out of Knights Gymnasium is that Wartburg is going to be deep as ever this year and as talented as they have ever been in the last five or six years.  They have tons of athletes and shooters and you know they are always coached well.  Everyone is predicting them to be good, but I think they are going to surpass those expectations.  There isn't gonna be very many teams who are going to be able to guard this team.  The real test for this team will be their defending.  They have guys that can guard and once they get the concept of team defense down you can pretty much forget about it.  The Knights are for real and I don't see anyone winning the conference but them.  I'm gonna go out on a limb and say 16-0 this year.... it almost happened last year and they are more talented this year.  Schmidt and steege are gonna be good no matter what but the supporting cast is gonna be great!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 20, 2005, 01:53:27 PM
16-0..come on....they'LL lose at least 2 if not 3 (SPARTAN UPSET COULD BE #3)  BV may get them, and maybe Loras..and since Wartburg only beat UD by 1 on one of Nick Thomas' off nights..UD may sneak one of those games
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on October 20, 2005, 02:27:58 PM
Keith--
Wife (coaches at UD) told me yesterday that UD is looking sharp. She watched some of their practice in Stoltz (dang no extra facilities) and thought they looked sharp. They have a couple of juco bigs that run about 6'6, and are well built. Let's hope!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 20, 2005, 02:45:05 PM
we can only hope..I stand by it..if they can get a consistent 15 and 10 from their 4 and 5 combo, they can hang with any team in the league, scoring and defensively..we'll see though..we come down and scrimmage them on 11-12, so we'll see how the bigs are.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on October 20, 2005, 11:23:23 PM
hey keith.... funny how Nick Thomas always had an "off" night against Wartburg.  He never did a thing agianst the Knights.  Furthermore, there is no way they will lose to any of the teams you listed and if they do happen to it'll be BV.  Never UD or Loras, sorry.  I'm telling you 15-1 last year is gonna turn into 16-0 and when it does I don't want to be the one to tell you so.  Write it down and date this entry cause it's gonna happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 21, 2005, 09:34:11 AM
pdmcgee,
Now you know if you say that, I got to back myself up...Thomas has played Wartburg  4 times... He has averaged 17 points, shooting 8-17 from 3 and 10-12 from the line..so he has done "something" against the Knights..I stand by what I said, Wartburg will lose 2-3 games in conference..BV, Loras and a sleeper (UD, Simpson)..
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on October 21, 2005, 02:12:11 PM
pdmcgee--
You're setting yourself up for a fall! Wartburg beats UD by 1 at home last season...in McDermott's first season the Knights rally from being down what was it 16? at half. Steege goes insane at Loras last season and upends the Duhawks. 2 years ago Loras beats Wartburg twice. I wouldn't be overlooking the Dubuque schools if I were Wartburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on October 21, 2005, 03:17:52 PM
Keith

yeah and Wartburg beat UD at UD by 15 and beat Loras at home last year. Doesnt matter how you win, a win is a win and Wartburg had 23 of them last year.  How many did UD have?? Yup that's what I thought.  I don't think there is much room to talk and even if Thomas does average 17 against the knights like you say he does, it must be a quiet 17.  Seventeen points after 30 shots a game or whatever it is isn't that impressive.  Bottom line is Wartburg will not lose 2 or 3 games.  How can that possibly be when last year they lost one conference game and this year they are way more talented.  It doesn't add up.  Think about it......
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on October 21, 2005, 03:48:29 PM
Do Loras and UD always play Wartburg tough?  Yes, but when was the last time UD beat Wartburg?  Exactly.  As for all the rest of these last couple posts, the past two years are just that...past.  All that matters is this season and mark my words that Wartburg will find a way to improve on that 23-5 record they had last year.

As for the Knights going unbeaten in the IIAC, it is very possible.  You guys (pdmcgee not included) act like Wartburg lost 4 or 5 games in the conference last year.  They only lost one, and that team graduated their starting five.  And if you want to bring up the point spreads from last year or the year before I'd probably agree with you that a lot of teams play Wartburg close (UD by 1, Simpson in OT, etc), but playing somebody close and winning are two totally different things.

19 Days until the 5th Annual SportsKnight Men's Basketball Tour gets started at Carver Hawkeye Arena in Iowa City...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 21, 2005, 04:06:35 PM
My point is, I don't think Wartburg will go undefeated in the IIAC..they won too many close games in the conference ( 6 games won by 6 points or less).....so as good as Wartburg was last year, and will be this year, they were a few shots away from being 10-6....and since the teams that played Wartburg close (Simpson, UD, Loras) last year return their best (all conference) players, I can't say that Wartburg will go undefeated....but besides BV losing a ton, the conference will be as good, if not better, than last year....so I understand the emotional side of the arguement..but the fact is, they didn't blow 15 teams out last year..I am not saying they aren't good, maybe the best in the IIAC next season..but 16-0..nope
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on October 24, 2005, 02:40:22 PM
How far did those 23 wins get Wartburg in the post season?

No matter how good a team is, they're bound to have an off game every once in awhile, especially in a pretty competitive league like the IIAC.  BV always seemed to drop a road game over at Cornell for a couple years in a row and I think those BV teams were quite a bit better than the current Wartburg squad...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on October 24, 2005, 04:32:43 PM
Wartburg was very deserving of being in the post season tournament last year, the committee just doesn't give any love to the Iowa Conference besides BV.  So their 23 wins got them a conference title and their 5th consecutive 20 win season... so to say it didnt get wartburg anywhere is ridiculous.  Plus now that they expanded the tournament field I will GUARANTEE wartburg goes to the tourney this year.  A yup!! 16-0 and tourney bound.  I'm sticking to my guns all year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: selectsix on October 26, 2005, 08:29:22 PM
Will Nick Thomas finally recieve the MVP honors he blatantly deserved last year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mg-3434 on October 26, 2005, 09:06:35 PM
I think it all depends on who they play in the non conference games for Nick Thomas to get M.V.P
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: selectsix on October 26, 2005, 09:18:11 PM
The schedule could be tougher but we all know he deserved it outright as a sophomore.  No player in the conference needs to be double teamed more than Thomas
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mg-3434 on October 26, 2005, 09:25:12 PM
What up fellas not to many know who I am this is Marlon Griffin who played two years ago for U.D.  I've got the word on U.D's first scrimmage on Tuesday.  Word is the backcourt of Thomas, Scott, and Daugherty couldnt miss at all.  They have a backup point from CHicago who is pretty good.  He will give U.D some solid minutes off the bench.  Langford another shooter off the bench long and skinny will also give thomas a breather.  The two juco post look decent yesterday.  One is 6'6 280 he came into the year at 310 he lost 30 pounds.  The other is a lefty 6'4 210 big solid body can jump,rebound, and score on the block.  This could be the 15 and 10 that U.D. needs
K.P holla at me
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mg-3434 on October 26, 2005, 09:28:13 PM
i agree he should've have gotten it no questions ask
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mg-3434 on October 26, 2005, 09:35:10 PM
whats the word on Loras
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 27, 2005, 09:30:33 AM
MG..What up son?!?!?!? My ankle is still hurting from that beat down we handed out at homecoming, next time we need more drinks!!!  You playing with us vs Rockford, or what? November 6th, get at me..Los said he is in....No word on Loras yet, I know King will be the focal point...Is the PG still there, the short kid?
We are bring up a nice squad to scrimmage UD on November 12th, so we'll see how they look..we'll have Charlie Wills from UW-Madison (6-8 post that went to Final Four with Wisconsin), and another post player who plays overseas (graduated from Carthage in the early 90's)..so we'll see how the post players look..I'm not sure about Thomas getting MVP last year,as he didn't have huge games agains the top teams in the league...I think his stats may be down a few points this year, but that will be because he will have more offensive help..I still think that UD is top 4 this season, in IIAC..Wartburg, Loras, BV, UD
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 27, 2005, 12:31:33 PM
Marlon,
By the way..I got my wedding video the other day...when you and Nick are doing the Soul Train Line at the reception..PRICELESS
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on October 29, 2005, 07:09:25 PM
Wow, Dubuque guys taking over the board...
Anyway, has anyone seen any of the conference teams in action (probably just practice or scrimmages at this point)?  Any surprises out there?  Did I hear correctly that Loras has a couple of bigs that aren't playing this year?

11 Days Until Wartburg vs. Iowa
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on October 30, 2005, 01:12:13 PM
well the knights holding down the 14th spot in the top 25.  I dont see any other IIAC teams in there.... thats wierd.  The knights travel to Upper Iowa today to scrimmage the Peacocks.  Should be a good scrimmage for Wartburg.  Like I said they are deep and talented.  It's gonna be a great winter in waverly, I can feel it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cg25 on November 01, 2005, 03:12:38 PM
KP....how is UD looking?    Farley and I say "what up"?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 01, 2005, 03:47:12 PM
Grimm Dawg,
Don't know yet...they have scorers, still waiting to see how the bigs are....I'll keep you guys informed..you texas guys interested in a Loras/UD alumni game?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cg25 on November 02, 2005, 12:12:42 PM
Christmas break is the only time for me........Dew and Farley will be coaching ball.     Spring break I will be coaching track, so winter time is the best time for me......
let me know when/what you have in plan.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: True Basketball Fan on November 06, 2005, 10:51:41 AM
How did Wartburg fare against Upper Iowa?  I'm assuming they beat them (even though Upper is DII, I would hardly call them decent one).

I guess they only other team that could've got in the Top 25, was Buena Vista.  They lost a lot, but I'd surprised if they didn't creep in there by mid december.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 08, 2005, 10:39:36 AM
Listen to the Wartburg Knights take on the Iowa Hawkeyes tomorrow night at 7:05 at www.kwar.org.  The Hawkeye Radio Network will not be carrying the game, so listening online (or on 89.1 FM in the Waverly area) is your only chance to hear this ballgame.  Iowa's Top Student Sportscaster Jesse Gavin will handle the play-by-play duties, while former Wartburg basketball player Kip Pedersen provides commentary and analysis.  Pre-Game Show will begin around 6:45 and will include an interview with Wartburg head coach Dick Peth.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 09, 2005, 09:12:04 PM
35-28 Hawks with 17 min left
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 10, 2005, 11:54:50 AM
75-48...not as bad as I was expecting.  I guessed 30 or higher, True Basketball Fan was a tad closer with his 25 point difference prediction.

Anyone remember how they matched up...man to man? Who attempted to guard Haluska?

Noticed Steege was 1 for 12? :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on November 13, 2005, 04:14:20 PM
Who makes the IIAC schedule?

What a dumb move.  The last Wartburg/Luther basketball game to be played in the grand old Knights Gymnasium is on a Tuesday night in November.  >:(

Give me a break.  That game should have been scheduled as a season finale that included post game fireworks and Buzz Levick at the controls of the wrecking ball taking the first whack at knocking it down.  ;)

The Wartburg/Iowa game was just 7 minutes too long for the Knights.  I thought Wartburg brought a good contingent of fans.  I'm sure the crowd included many Wartburg fans and alums (like me) who live in the Iowa City area.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pacific rim on November 13, 2005, 08:23:45 PM
hey everyone.  i'm from the miac board and was wondering what you guys are saying about wartburg this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 14, 2005, 01:59:49 AM
Warthog,
Great point about the scheduling.  I don't know if it is the same this year, but that first Tuesday of the conference season last year had Luther playing Wartburg, Simpson playing Central, and Dubuque playing Loras...3 of the IIAC's 4 biggest rivalries on a frickin' Tuesday.  I probably said this last year, but you'd think that the schools would want those games on the weekend so that the attendance (and gate) could be larger.  As long as the number of schools in the league is going to stay steady, I'd say that its high time to go back to the Friday-Saturday travelling partner schedule.  Coaches would probably be against it because of the conditioning you have to be in to play on back-to-back nights, but I think BV would rather get back from a road trip to Dubuque 2:30 on a Saturday or Sunday morning, rather than a Wednesday or Thursday morning.  Granted the IIAC got burned by UIU and WPU when they make the most recent changes to the schedule format, but if they can keep the league at 9 teams for a while, the Friday-Saturday thing would be a great idea in my book.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 17, 2005, 01:36:38 PM
pre-season rankings are out....looks good to me, except I can't understand why UD was pciked to finish lower than they did last year..I still see them as a top 4 team this year....and Nick Thomas as MVP
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The 1308 on November 17, 2005, 06:13:51 PM
Normally I don't send messages....but shut up with Nick Thomas will ya....everyone knows he shoots 40 times a game..he should score points...but thats why he isn't mvp...he shoots and that is about all he does...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 18, 2005, 08:28:40 AM
ohhh boy.....but ok 1308, you win..I'll be quiet
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 18, 2005, 08:38:23 AM
But then testosterone takes over....5 rebounds, 3 steals, 85% from the line....I don't think all he does is shoot 40 times a game...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 19, 2005, 08:20:45 AM
Congratulations to Pat Juckem for winning his first game as coach of the Coe Kohawks. Let's get another one tonight fellas.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Realb13 on November 19, 2005, 03:49:49 PM
Ok all i want to say is that U.D. and the 11 wins last year was luck. A couple of the teams in the confrence seem to fall off with the loss of some of the key players. U.D. is a team based around one player which is Mr. Thomas. Without him shooting 30 times like everyone has a problem with they would win only 3 games. Nick has not one person he can pass the ball to and trust that they can score. I would shoot 30 times too! Also can we lay off the coach Mac bringing U.D.  to the top of the confrence stuff please cause he is not. It's only one coach that could have done that and he is now the asst. @ Purdue. I can care less about U.D's success but i honor a good player when i see one and nick thomas is just that.  You have to give him his M. V. P. award. He does not have the players on his team to get involved on the court to put up more wins and look more like the around team player so he has to do it all. See you people on here that just talk sh*t just because have to watch a U.D. game. Nick makes steal, 3's, free-throws, rebounds, and tries to do whats left. There is not one team in the confrence that has to do what he does. Every other team has a strong supporting cast.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buf on November 19, 2005, 11:11:46 PM
UWEC over Buena Vista by about 6 in a game that was close throughout.  BV had trouble getting the ball past mid-court for the first 10min of the game, but didn't have any trouble after that.  Their freshman center (Fogelman?) is pretty good but he can't hit a FT.  For the first time in a while I think that BV won't be in the top 3 in the IIAC.  I was more impressed with Coe (which lost to UWL by 19 tonight) than with BV.  BV had a pretty good turnout from their fans.  Even a few student were there, however there was one fool who was screaming the whole game.  Even at one point after the crowd was grumbling over a foul that wasn't called, he stood up and was yelling, "Thats called defense!" as loud as he possibly could.  His face was all red, it was actually pretty hilarious.  One person even yelled back down to him, "Have another one!"  Needless to say, he was pretty quite for the last minute of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 20, 2005, 05:17:47 PM
Nice win Kohawks!  Looking forward to coming to a few games at Eby this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 21, 2005, 10:37:01 AM
When did WB turn into a run and chuck team.....34 3's?? 14 3's from Steege..were they (Briar Cliff, I think) packing it in and daring them to shoot?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 21, 2005, 11:44:56 AM
Briar Cliff ran a 1-3-1 a lot of the time and Wartburg couldn't get much going on the inside.  Schmidt was in foul trouble, and actually fouled out with about 7 minutes left.  At that point Wartburg basically started chuckin' em.   Wasn't real impressed with the Knights patience on offense.  Key stats for that game were the field goal %s, no question.  Wartburg was 33%, while BC was 53%.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: floppydog282000 on November 22, 2005, 12:03:50 AM
Hey all,
The Dog has returned from Afghanistan and is ready for more winter fun in the IIAC, I only wish this guy Degeorge knew what defense was, it wins games and championships. Lets try not to flush this season down the toilet like last year, that was ridiculous after the accomplishments the past 3 years worth of Ram teams. Maybe Ditch on the side will bring some form of a winning attitude to the sidelines  god knows he had it when he played. Thats 2 straight losses so the dog will be there when the boys from down under come to town and we'll see if we can play better than my only game lastyear at coe when i was on leave from Afghanistan. HEY WARTHOG I ATE ATE JOES THE OTHERDAY REALLY GOOD FOOD AND ATMOSPHERE. Looks like beavs and Knights will battle it out for the title unless something strange happens I'm rootin for the pumpkin patch in that one.
Goodnight all
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on November 22, 2005, 12:47:34 AM
f-d282000:

I guess I've never equated Joe's and atmosphere.  What the heck, if you've just spent time in the middle east Joe's probably has atmosphere.  The good news is, the beer is always cold and Joe is a Knights fan.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on November 23, 2005, 12:00:45 AM
Kohawk basketball giving the Moody blues.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sidelines on November 23, 2005, 04:25:56 PM
I saw the BV-Gustavus game last night and it was a very good game.  The Beavers led at halftime and were in the game right to the end.  BV appears to be a team that will improve each game with all the young players.  Fogleman will be MVP of the league before he graduates and Andre Wagner is a player no one talks about, but is solid.  Wagner is quick, can break down a defense and shoot the three.  This BV team is different from the ones the last few years and is undoubtedly the quickest team I have seen them put on the floor.  Consistency might be an issue this season, but the conference had better be ready the next few years.  This team is loaded with young talent.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 26, 2005, 10:55:06 PM
UD over Platteville.....I guess we are taking a small step forward..any feedback on that game? I see Nick didn't shoot well, but still had 27, by making his free throws...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 29, 2005, 10:03:02 PM
I almost forgot to post some predictions with conference play opening tonight...even though most games are probably at halftime by now, oh well, here they are:

BV over Central
Coe over Dubuque
Wartburg over Luther
Simpson over Loras

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 29, 2005, 10:48:29 PM
BV pulls away at the end 80-65.

That Wagner kid sounds like he's tough.  Him and Fogleman are going to be a heck of a 1-2 punch the next 4 years... :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: j-ballgame on December 07, 2005, 10:54:57 PM
Just a reminder, Wartburg's 111-97 win over Grinnell is available on the internet at www.kgrn1410.com.  Go to the KGRN sports icon and find this game archived in its entirety.  If your asking how Wartburg held Grinnell to under 100 point for the first time this year, hear how they extend their man-up defense and limited the Pioneer looks at three-point attempts.  This is a good team, deserved of their #15 ranking.  I applaud Wartburg for playing against "the system".  It's a matter of coaches actually figuring out ways to coach against a system that's different from the game Mr Naismith invented years ago.  Coach Peth did a great job of rotating people in and out, extending the defense, etc.   I hear the rest of the Iowa Conference isn't so inclined to play vs "the system" for this reason and that reason, etc., etc.  Let me say this, by running "the system", coach Arsenault has put life into a program that was desolate at best before coming on. The fans love it, 15-17 players are involved, it's fun for those involved with "the system".
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 08, 2005, 02:22:39 AM
J:

If you'd had the correct date on the WGRN web site, I would have listened to the game when I saw a note about it earlier on the MWC board. Since the page says 11/28/05, I figured I had missed the game and went on to another broadcast elsewhere.

Just a heads-up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: j-ballgame on December 08, 2005, 12:54:09 PM
Pat:  We did have had an earlier game on the website at that time.  The Wartburg vs Grinnell contest from Wednesday night is available right now...Everything from pregame to postgame is available.  The archived webcast will be available until next week(probably next Wednesday since there is only so much bandwidth available).  Hopefully this helps.  Am I following your original inquiry?  We're you referring to KGRN as WGRN?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 12, 2005, 12:01:41 PM
Pretty quiet in here...whats going on?? Did you leave and not tell anyone??

Wart, Coe and UD off to good starts..although I'm confused by UD beating #20 Platteville, then geting blasted by COE..and Platteville blasted Loras, who beat a very athletic Aurora team...and BV is struggling, which I don't think was a surprise this year..
Oh, and I am starting up the Thomas for MVP train again..20 points, shooting 51% from the field, 33% from 3, 90% from free throw land 2 steals in less minutes than last year...but Schmidt and Steege are putting up good numbers as well, so it may be an IIAC MVP repeat
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on December 13, 2005, 11:33:49 AM
Yeah, this board is dead, maybe it will pick up more once the conference season begins.  As for Nick Thomas, he won't be MVP unless Dubuque wins conference, and the odds of that are very slim.  If you look over the course of the past 6 seasons or so, the MVP of the league has come from the conference championship every year, and I don't see that changing this year with Wartburg most likely winning the conference and having Steege and Schmidt on the team.  Besides, you have to look at some of the schools Dubuque has been playing...granted they did beat Platteville, but they were also playing Andrews, St. Louis College of Pharmacy, and Emmaus Baptist Bible...three teams who would struggle to beat some high school teams
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on December 13, 2005, 12:45:49 PM
After watching Simpson play on Saturday, I think it is safe to say they are much better than their 3-5 record.  If you look at their losses, they are all close games to quality opponents (w/ the exception of Platteville in the opener).  Soppe's offensive game has come full circle from what I've seen, and w/ Hittenmiller and Parkinson on the wings they have a solid inside/outside combination.  Not saying they are going to win the title, but I wouldn't count them out.  I am thinking a top 3 finish is probably very likely.  Can't wait to see how things unfold w/ the added parity this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on December 13, 2005, 01:44:18 PM
I agree that Simpson should finish in the top three with those three good players, whether they will or not is another question.  It seems like every year Simpson has the talent and then underachieves.  If they play to their potential, I agree with you, they are a top 3 team in the IIAC
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: welseyanbulldog on December 13, 2005, 10:37:36 PM
I would watch out for Luther!!!  They had a tough game at Wartburg but just look at what they have done recently without Brantner!!  They are the sleeper no one is talking about.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on December 14, 2005, 01:22:28 PM
I would wait on the Luther thing for a bit just like I'd wait on the UD competing for a top 3 spot.  Not saying it won't happen, but have to see it develop before I believe it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rebound3000 on December 14, 2005, 09:43:49 PM
Watch out for the Simpson Storm.  Been to a couple games this year and they are looking pretty good.  They play hard and the guys they have back seem to be playing with a confidence they didnt have before.  They do not have a good record as of yet, but they have played a pretty good non-conference schedule. 

Soppe looks much stronger this year and has been putting up a good shooting percentage.  Look for him to be a first-team all conference selection this year.  I think its a given that he will put up double digit rebound average as well. 

The point guards will need to prove they can shoot if they want to be an upper tier team though.  Teams sag on the big 3 quite a bit, would be nice to see someone else step up. 

Also would like to see Simpson be a touch more consistent in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on December 16, 2005, 09:44:24 AM
Luther won't be as bad as they usually are this year, they will surprise some teams and beat some upper tier teams in the conference, but I still see them in the bottom half of the conference.  I don't see them jumping Wartburg, Coe, Simpson, Loras, Dubuque, or BV.  By the way, where was Lappe last year, was he hurt or what?  I always wondered why he didn't play.  But with Lappe, Brantner, and Rump Luther will compete.  Johnson will be the X-factor this season, if he plays well Luther could have a good season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 16, 2005, 01:05:16 PM
Based on current standings and results, what are predictions for conference? Any changes from pre-season? I'm thinking Wartburg, Loras, Coe or Simpson, UD as top 4, but I dont know...Luther has been getting some buzz on the board..and I can't figure our Loras..they beat an athletic Aurora team, that started the year ranked and had an all american forward, they got blown out by Platteville, beat UWW and lost to Simpson...so they could finish 2 though 6 in my mind now..same with UD..soft non-conference schedule, except for beating Platteville, who then blew out Loras..they beat Mount Mercy, but got blown out by Coe..and Simpson also got blown out by Platteville..and they let the all american candidate from Elmhurst go off for 40 in 33 minutes..so I guess I am saying I don't know!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RBM on December 16, 2005, 01:43:57 PM
Keith, whats your email address, i'd like in touch with you about hoopin.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on December 17, 2005, 03:17:46 PM
My preditctions...bold as they may be are

Wartburg
Simpson
BV
Coe
UD
Loras
Central
Luther
Cornell

Not sure that is the way things will end up, and I know BV is struggling, but until I see them struggle in conference I'm not going to count them out.  Wartburg we know will be solid, and like I said ealier Simpson is my sleeper.  Will be interesting to see how things progress this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on December 19, 2005, 11:15:05 AM
I think most everyone will agree that there is a pretty safe pick for first and last in the conference, being Wartburg and Cornell.  After that it's anybody's guess how the rest of the conference will break down.  Here's my picks:

Wartburg
Coe
Simpson
Loras
Dubque
BV
Luther
Central
Cornell
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: welseyanbulldog on December 19, 2005, 12:27:13 PM
I am going to say this once and only once, that Luther is the real deal and are winning right now without Tony Brantner the best player in IIAC.  They will be in the hunt for the conference title and will be a thorn in the side of many schools who downplay how good they really are this season.  They stumbled at Wartburg but have been playing really well since then.

Watch out for the NORSE!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on December 19, 2005, 04:18:00 PM
one word to describe the last post:

IGNORANCE

...or alcohol...take your pick

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 20, 2005, 10:32:25 AM
I'd originally say alcohol, but it was posted around lunch... ;D

Luther has scored over 50 points in all of their games so far (has to be a school record), so they must be taking more than 10 shots in a half and figured out how to play offense.

BV may be struggling as of now, but they are undefeated in conference play! ;)

I'm not going to say they'll win the regular season conference, but they're going to send quite a few teams home in the conference tournament. Give the young squad a season of playing together on the court, plus seeing each team twice...throw in VH's coaching and these guys will make some noise.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: welseyanbulldog on December 20, 2005, 12:23:34 PM
Look at the Luther Schedule fellow IIAC watchers!!!

The three losses were to very good opponents with kids not playing in those games.  One was a Division 1 school (who is now 8-1 and Luther lost by the same amount as Purdue) and the other to GAC on the road the first game of the season.  The Wartburg loss I will give to all of you naysayers as a true loss in a game that always is tough at Levick.

But mark my words, Luther is the real deal!!!!

To all of the negative naysayers on this board, be ready to look in the mirror at the end of the season as the Norse will be right there looking strong!!! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 20, 2005, 01:23:47 PM
At this time of year, the previous post is usually coming from me, talking about UD.....so now I understand what everyone was yelling at me for the past 5 years...

oh, and go UD!!!

Top 5

Wartburg
Loras
UD
Simpson
BV

I know , I know....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 20, 2005, 04:07:56 PM
Luther was saying the same thing in football.

What happened? Same ol', same ol'...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on December 20, 2005, 04:09:50 PM
Keith, you just read the previous post and then didn't put Luther as your #1...WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 20, 2005, 04:24:42 PM
Yeah, I know..don't get me started on Wartburgs close victory versus UD last year..you'll have the UD IIAC Champs rant going already..actually, I can't really read the conference yet (see my previous posts)...UD has a quality win over Platteville, who then blew out Loras, who went on to beat Aurora, who was an NCAA team last year...and Platteville (if I remember) caused some havoc in the WIAC last year...but for some reason that win was pretty quiet, which makes me think that Platteville was overrated at #20...but while all this is going on, Wartburg is silently having a good season, and Steege has made the most free throws in the conference so far, averaged 5 assist, 91% from the line, but Steege and Schmidt are averaging 12 points a game....they can't win the IIAC like that..they need more than 12 and 5 from Schmidt, in my opinion..but then again, they are averaging 80 points a game..so I don't know..I still think UD beats them once this year, in a shoot out...UD's guards have no conscience
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bonham0505 on December 20, 2005, 05:15:08 PM
I really think that Luther is the real deal this year. I know they have to go out and prove it to everyone before anyone else starts to believe because they have been soo bad in the past. I know its tough for teams that perennially lose to become even a good team in one year but....Luther returned every major contributor from a team that beat Loras in the opening round of tourney action last year as a 6 seed....they have been winning without Branter....Lappe has returned...Lappe and Rump are both averaging around 17 points a game...I think everyone is going to see  a different Luther squad this year....5-3 heading into christmas...but they still have a lot to prove to everyone before anyone starts to take them seriously...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 21, 2005, 10:45:36 PM
Quote from: welseyanbulldog on December 19, 2005, 12:27:13 PM
I am going to say this once and only once, that Luther is the real deal and are winning right now without Tony Brantner the best player in IIAC.

I've never heard of this Brantner kid before the past couple posts from the Luther fans. What year is he?  I have a hard time believing he is the best player in the IIAC...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on December 22, 2005, 11:07:02 AM
He's a sophomore this year, he actually had a good year last year as a freshman.  I believe he was a D-2 recruit but chose Luther...he will be one of the best in a couple of years, but I wouldn't say he's there yet
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 22, 2005, 02:29:25 PM
Thanks for the info, balla.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 22, 2005, 02:59:29 PM
I dont know about him being one of the top players...top 5,imo, are Schmidt, Steege, Smith, Soppe and White..but the 2 from Wart are confusing me now....maybe they are saving themselves for conference
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on December 22, 2005, 04:14:02 PM
Question for everyone....when was the last time ANYONE made a list of their top 5 players in the conference and there wasn't a player from BV listed??  I know there will be again soon, but it is safe to say no one is there yet this  year. 

I would say my top 6 so far this year are....

Steege and Schmidt  - 
Thomas
Hittenmiller and Soppe
Driftmeyer
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 22, 2005, 09:47:14 PM
WOW...I was thinking about that..had to be at least 6-7 years ago.....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 23, 2005, 02:50:30 AM
Wartburg tops Oshkosh in Vegas.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on December 28, 2005, 05:12:13 PM
Big game in Dubuque tonight.  BV plays Steven's Point in the Clarke Holiday Tourney and a game that could even the IIAC's record against the WIAC with one contest left between the two leagues (Simpson-River Falls).  I don't know if BV has enough to beat the defending champs, but it should look good come March for the IIAC to have done as well against one of Division III's few "power conferences" as the Iowa schools have done.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 29, 2005, 12:34:09 PM
Quote from: keith45 on December 20, 2005, 04:24:42 PM
UD has a quality win over Platteville, who then blew out Loras, who went on to beat Aurora, who was an NCAA team last year...and Platteville (if I remember) caused some havoc in the WIAC last year...but for some reason that win was pretty quiet, which makes me think that Platteville was overrated at #20...

If causing some havoc in the WIAC last year means sharing the conference title with Stevens Point, then yeah, they caused some havoc! ;D  They might have been a little overrated.  I mean, Point won the National Championship, lost four starters, including TWO 1st team all-conference players and didn't make the top 25 (which I'm not complaining about, because they shouldn't have).  Platteville also lost TWO 1st team all-conference players in Brad Reitzner and Brandon Temperly.  So, yeah, maybe a little overrated, especially since they are only 5-4 overall and just 1-2 in the conference thus far.  One of those wins was against ranked Elmhurst, while losses included ranked Stout and one of the best NAIA teams in Robert Morris-Chicago and an up-and-coming La Crosse team.  So it goes.

Quote from: sportsknight on December 28, 2005, 05:12:13 PM
Big game in Dubuque tonight. BV plays Steven's Point in the Clarke Holiday Tourney.

Steven doesn't own Point.  It's just Stevens Point.  ;)

By the way, Point holds of a spirited Buena Vista rally, 75-70. Read Here (http://www.uwsp.edu/athletics/mbb/05-06/Buenavista.htm).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 29, 2005, 02:27:38 PM
Thanks for the WIAC info...I'm a Dubuque alum, so I was hoping that the win over Platteville would mean more that it did...so is the IIAC going to end up at .500 versus WIAC this year, or one game under? I thought there were 2 more games, but I may be wrong.

BTW, what is your opinion on the UW-Stout upcoming matchup in their Wendy's Tournament? I think they can pull it out versus Augustana if they get some decent play from the 7 footers..I played with them in a tournament last spring north of Appleton, when they are motivated, they are pretty good!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on December 29, 2005, 04:14:56 PM
Honestly can't say I was very impressed by BV last night.  Everyone knows they are a very young team, but I really don't think they will be able to develop some of those players in one season.  You could tell that a lot of their players were not used to playing college basketball and had a lot to learn. 

I would even go so far as to say that Dubuque is probably a better team than BV this season.  I was very impressed with the Spartans when I saw them beat Platteville a few weeks back.  I'd put UD in the #3 spot in the conference this season, with BV coming in anywhere from 4-6, depending on how Loras and Simpson turn out.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 29, 2005, 04:43:01 PM
What did you think of BV's pressure defense? Sounds like it caused some issues, from the WIAC board...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: welseyanbulldog on December 30, 2005, 12:37:02 PM
Luther bumps to 6-3, or what should be 6-2 minus the loss to Loyola a strong Division I Mid-Major. 

This team is for real ladies and gentleman, watch out for the NORSE!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 30, 2005, 01:16:04 PM
What quality opponents has Luther beat? 6-3 is good, but against who? UD is 7-1 and Coe is 8-2, but they have only played 3-4  decent teams between the two of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 03, 2006, 08:23:42 AM
I hope everyone had a great Holiday Season!!  The time right after Christmas is always an exciting time for IIAC hoops.  Finally getting into the conference season.  Some interesting games this week.  Predictions anyone??

Oh yeah, anyone else notice the similarities between the officials that worked the Iowa bowl game and IIAC officials?? hahahaha....j/k everyone
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 04, 2006, 09:11:17 AM
Not sure if anyone is alive out there to read this.....but here are my predictions for tonight (Bold as they may be)

BV over Cornell   -  struggling all year, but still 2-0 in the league

Central over UD  - I think Central is better than people give them credit for, plus they are     
                              at home

Simpson over Luther - Simpson has a rolling a bit, confidence is high, and Luther isn't as
                                    good as some on this board seem to believe

Loras over Wartburg  -  You heard it here.  Loras wants to avoid 0-2, and are at home.


Those predictions ought to get some of you interested again, at least enough to tell me how stupid I am....hahahahaha....Happy Conference Season

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 04, 2006, 02:40:16 PM
Is Loras still playing in that hole that they call a gym or did they get a new facility?

I'll take BV, Central, Simpson, and Wartburg. (Loras might make it close if they are still playing in that old P.O.S.)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 04, 2006, 02:43:48 PM
Oh...and I witnessed that Outback Bowl officiating in person...

The majority of the IIAC Basketball officials would have called a better football game than those Conference USA clowns!!! >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 04, 2006, 06:03:49 PM
I'll take Wartburg, BV, Dubuque, and Simpson tonight.

To answer the questions already posed, yes Loras still plays in that cracker-jack box of a gym.  I got thrown out of there last year when Wartburg was in town and if you think I'm staying home to watch Texas-USC tonight, you're crazier than the Outback bowl refs.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 05, 2006, 12:05:18 AM
4 for 4....Dare I say genius????  hahahaha....I just had a good feeling about the games.  So much for watching out for Luther, and so much for writing off BV.  UD (I'm sorry Keith) is still going to finish middle to bottom of the league.  Heading to Pella Saturday for the Central/Simpson game.  Could be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 05, 2006, 08:35:23 AM
Quote from: pdmcgee on October 20, 2005, 11:23:23 PM
Furthermore, there is no way they will lose to any of the teams you listed and if they do happen to it'll be BV.  Never UD or Loras, sorry.  I'm telling you 15-1 last year is gonna turn into 16-0 and when it does I don't want to be the one to tell you so.  Write it down and date this entry cause it's gonna happen.

Well, there goes that prediction... :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 05, 2006, 04:05:57 PM
Where the heck is everyone??  Has the sight really fallen this far???  No word from any Wartburg fans???? Nothing from Keith???  I realize a lot of rhe BV posters have lost some interest or graduated (no offense Show), but this site seems dead.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 05, 2006, 05:37:04 PM
Yeah, it is rather dead on here.  Not sure if it because of the new board or not...

I still have a cousin-in-law shooting hoops for the Beavers, so I'll be keeping up with their program for awhile.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 05, 2006, 07:28:42 PM
I was in Florida.....CENTRAL??? Don't know what to say yet..Loras over Wart..well, who saw that coming?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 06, 2006, 08:24:56 AM
Welcome back Keith.  I hope you weren't down there for the Iowa debacle.  I actually picked the Loras over Wartburg game.  Not sure why, I just had a good feeling about things.  I will be out w/ some predictions later today.  Most of them are pretty obvious Saturday though.....one I'm not too sure about.  Happy Friday.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 06, 2006, 08:50:38 AM
No, had to go do some work there...The cebtral game has me dumbfounded....I would feel better if we lost, but Nick was more aggressive, he only took 15 shots (which, for him is low)..anyone see that game?

And Wartburg, like I said before, looks like they are a 2 man show, and Schmidt's stats have fallen off ...any comments on that? Steege is still a killer though
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 06, 2006, 12:53:38 PM
Ok.  Here goes with the predictions.  I'm going to try my best to stay perfect in '06 but I'm not betting on it.

Loras over BV  -  hard for me to pick against BV, even though they are young and
                           inexperienced, but I'm not sure they are ready to win on the road against a
                           a quality team.

UD over Luther -  A pick to shove it in the face of those that thought Luther would
                            contend.

Simpson over Central - I really think Simpson has turned the corner.  Should be a good game
                                     with a MUCH improved and skilled Central team. 2 of the best big
                                     guys going at it in this one with Driftmeyer and Soppe.  Those 2
                                    cancel each other out and Parkinson and Hittenmiller are the
                                    difference.

Wartbur over Cornell - NOT EVEN CLOSE

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 06, 2006, 01:53:06 PM
I'm taking Wartburg, Central, UD, and BV.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 06, 2006, 10:31:38 PM
Loras always wins early in the season and then chokes towards the end, happens every year...and where are all the Luther fans at now?  They seem a little quiet.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 07, 2006, 12:21:01 PM
Big Rivalry matchup tonight. The Storm blows Central through the roof.
Coach OC makes all the difference for the rolling RedMen
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoops4ever13 on January 07, 2006, 01:35:26 PM
Simpson and Central this evening should be one hell of a game... ill take simpson by 15 but its a very close game till the end
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 07, 2006, 04:05:13 PM
Luther/Dubuque should be an interesting game tonight, lot of hype, atleast on this board, about how both these programs are turning the corner.  I think Dubuque is closer to getting there because of the fact that they have Thomas.  I think it's obvious Dubuque needs him  to shoot as much as he can after the Central game, despite how much people complain about how many times he shoots...he's your horse, you've got to ride him Dubuque.  Luther could cause problems with Lappe however because Dubuque isn't traditionally known for being good in the post, and maybe Brantner, but I saw he only played 11 minutes last game. so he might not be 100%...but I'm taking Dubuque

Simpson/Central could be the game of the night.  I think Simpson is there and in my opinion might actually be as good as Wartburg.  Soppe is my MVP of the league so far and Hittenmiller and Parkinson draw the D out to provide a very solid in-out game...if they can be solid at the point I'd be convinced they could challenge Wartburg.  Central's decent, but still too young and not strong enough so I'm taking Simpson

Loras/BV could be a good game and I could also see it as a blow out.  White's having a good year, but I have one question...what the hell has King been doing this year...I would have put him on my preseason all-conference team but he hasn't done shat so far.  This will be a tough road test for the young Beavers, they had a good game against Cornell, but that says nothing considering Cornell isn't going to win a conference game all year.  Plus Loras has the advantage of that thing they call a gym so I'm taking the Duhawks

Wartburg/Cornell...honestly, who cares, this game will be over after two minutes
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 07, 2006, 10:57:15 PM
Damn..Luther?? Did they really get top 25 votes and blow out UD like that? Looks like somne bench players stepped up for Luther...
speachless, don't know what to say..and I didnt see Loras losing either
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 08, 2006, 11:12:23 AM
It could be that UD hasn't improved from years past even though most thought they would...

We'll see how good Luther really is when they travel to Storm Lake. Young squad or not, winning at BV hasn't been done by many as of late.  And I think Fogleman might end up on some "Top 5" lists before the year is over.  I'd love to see him match up with Wartburg's Schmidt but BV plays Wartburg on a Wed. night both times. >:(

Only 3 games into the conference season and everyone already has 1 loss except Coe, who has only played 1 game (vs UD).  Looks like another parity filled year in the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 08, 2006, 02:30:21 PM
I guess it wasn't meant to be .  Missed a couple games last night to ruin my perfect season.
Have to say I didn't see Luther blowing out UD, and I didn't see Cornell keeping it close against Wartburg.

The Simpson/Central game was a good one.  Both teams are MUCH improved.  I would even venture to say the top 5 in the league in any order would include both of them.  I honestly could see each w/ a top 4 finish.  Central's guards are very skilled and did a good job of beating the Simpson pressure and finding open shooters (which at least yesterday they had plenty of).  Driftmeyer should start to be mentioned as one of the better bigs in the conference.  The kid is talented.  Simpson actually killed themselves late in this one w/ silly fouls that put a very good free throw shooting team on the line in a close one.  I would guess Central got 8 points in the last 5 minutes where Simpson fouled 60+ feet away from the basket.  Dehoogh's game winner was a tough shot, but the way they had scored in transition all night w/ jumpers I wasn't that surprised he hit it.  The Coe and Simpson game on Tuesday should be telling. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 10, 2006, 09:52:08 AM
I'm taking all the home teams tonight.

Wartburg, BV, Simpson, and even UD.

Just a hunch that Loras has a let down after beating both BV and Wartburg at home.

Driftmier must have improved a ton from last year if he is one of the best posts in the league this year. We'll see how he does against Schmidt on the road tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 10, 2006, 03:35:34 PM
I also am going w/ all of the home teams tonight. 

Wartburg will handle Central.  I'd think about this one a little closer if it was in Pella.

Simpson over Coe.  Should be a battle.  I know Coe is solid this year and has some physical posts.  I like Simpson to rebound tonight.

UD over Loras.  Rivalry game...UD has struggled.  I think they put it together tonight, at least enough to get one against Loras.

BV will win also.  They are at home and still can keep a piece of the top spot in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 10, 2006, 05:28:11 PM
I think UD can pull it out, but I am disappointed in the post play so far..Thomas is holding up his scoring end, shooting 50% from the field and averaging 19....but other than teh PG, no  one else is stepping up

I'm taking the home teams EXCEPT Coe..I think they can pull one..pretty impressed with their post players

And I think someone brought this up, but why are the rivalry games on Tuesdays???? I know a few UD and Loras alumns would go to the game tonight, but Chicago to Dubuque on  tuesday?? You got to take the next day off for that, since there wil be drinking afterwards....any idea what spurred that change a few years ago?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 11, 2006, 12:24:04 AM
Don't know why they did that this year Keith. Both Wartburg games with BV and Luther are on weeknights this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 11, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
Big Match-up this weekend in Indianola.
Can Steege and boys contain the Hittenmiller/Soppe show.
The key here is that Wartburg is the best rebounding team in the league and Simpson is one of the worst. Wartburg always finds a way to get up big at Cowles and then let the Storm back into it in the end.
However, if coach OC coaches b-ball like he plays ping-pong, he'll have the Storm up big at first, only to choke it away in the end.
Unless things have changed, Simpson is hands down the worst place to play in the league in terms of home support, I think the Knights overrun the place.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on January 11, 2006, 12:18:17 PM
Wow Keith,

I don't know what to say. Some of the UD guys take some really tough shots. They're gonna have to be really on to win. They just have so many young guys playing they just get overpowered out there. Thomas and Daugherty played pretty well, those two are nice ball players. Unfortunately they'll get killed in the paint everygame. Some have to learn to accept roles, when I see guys check in and immediately the next time down court jack a wild-a$$ 3, it's gonna be tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 11, 2006, 12:20:31 PM
Very surprised about some of the outcomes last night.  Especially Luther dominating at BV.  I wasn't surpried that Loras one, even though I picked UD.  Wasn't a huge shock to see Coe win, although I picked Simpson.  Only game I got right was Wartburg over Central.  I guess this shows us one thing this year.....PARITY...which is kind of nice considering it has been a 1 and 2 team race each of the last 6 or 7 years.  Nice to know even the top teams can go on the road and get beat....who knows...I would have to say Wartburg and Coe are the teams to beat right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 11, 2006, 01:34:23 PM
I was on the money with Coe, I like their game, adn I think they match up well with Wartburg..I don't knwo what to say about UD now...I really thought the post players would help them, they got some size this year, but i guess not...I'm hoping we can still finish top 4, but losing to Loras and Luther and Coe already hurts..
Lorbec,
UD's guards always shoot those shots, last year it was Thomas taking most of them (by the way, Thomas is in SLAM magazine this month)..I think they need to move thomas back to the 2, and try to find someone else to play that 3 spot, or go big
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on January 11, 2006, 01:41:58 PM
Keith,
I would agree that Thomas and Daugherty have to take those shots, but some of those guys off of the bench? I just couldn't see it. Not enough TEAM out there last night, I sure hope they can get it turned around. Here's hoping.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 11, 2006, 04:59:50 PM
well, we lose 1-2 more, so much for a top four appearance..and what kills me is Luther, out of the  BLUE, kickin A@@!!!! Where is the poster who said that Luther was for real?? Someone owes him a drink!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: welseyanbulldog on January 11, 2006, 06:04:48 PM
I would like to say all this without Tony Brantner as well!!!  Luther is playing extremely well right now.  The key for the Norse is offensive consistency.  If they get a 3rd double digit scorer in a game they will be unbeatable!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on January 12, 2006, 08:34:29 AM
The key to Luther IMO is that Lappe. I played against him 3 years ago! And he wasn't a freshman then. How the heck has his eligibility held up? Just wondering what the deal was there? Also, what the heck happened to that Brungaard kid at Coe? Haven't seen him in the boxes lately.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 12, 2006, 10:41:26 AM
The thing about Luther is that they haven't lost the physical defense they are known for..kinda like BV when Jones was there, they played hard nosed D, but still could score..Luther always played D, but you knew, no matter what, if you got to 50 points, you have a great chance of winning....now they can score a bit, and have some athletes..can they hold it up is the question?

I like Coe's big guys as well, they are breaking the mold that Coe had of being "pretty shooters" from back in the day.
the IIAC has parity finally! The fact that we had a winning record against the WIAC (or almost winning if it wasn't) has to give us some cred as well..how did we do against the MIAC? They arent as highly regarded as the WIAC, but the MIAC is looked at as superior to the IIAC..anyone know how the conferences are ranked? Greg or Pat?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stickman on January 12, 2006, 02:19:31 PM
Jake Lappe did not play as a frosh at Luther due to illness, and he only played 5 games his soph year due to tearing his ACL - he is back at Luther finishing up stuff for physical therapy
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on January 12, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
Thanks for the info stickman. Glad Lappe's good now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 13, 2006, 10:15:59 AM
Seeing how I managed to pick a whopping 1 game correctly from Tuesday's games :-[...I'll try to improve this time.

Friday's Games:
Coe over Central
Wartburg over Simpson
Loras over Luther
Dubuque over Cornell

Saturday's Games:
Simpson over Cornell
Coe over Luther
Wartburg over Dubuque
Loras over Central
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 13, 2006, 12:47:44 PM
I'm just going to pick Friday's games and see how they turn out before thinking about Saturday's.  I am in the same boat as Show....after getting them all the first go round...went back to the story of my life...mediocrity after that.....

Coe over Central  - starting to think maybe Coe is the class of the conference this year.

Cornell over UD - sorry Keith....Cornell is going to win at home.

Loras over Luther- at home or I might reconsider

Wartburg over Simpson -  Really want to see the Knights stink this year, but Simpson has had trouble w/ them since around 2000.  Could be a VERY good game.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 13, 2006, 04:54:12 PM
Lappe didn't play last year did he, I don't remember him being in there at all anyways
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 13, 2006, 05:02:42 PM
Brungard separated his shoulder and has been recuperating. He should be good to go soon, making Coe all the better.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2006, 06:02:29 PM
Keith, are you interested in the conference rankings of the formal computerized rating websites such as Massey, or in the informal rankings of Posting Up's national observers? Speaking for the latter, I'd say that the IIAC is generally considered to be a notch below the MIAC. That might not hold true for this year, though; the IIAC is an excellent 46-30 in non-conference play (Buena Vista was drastically down in November and December, but Coe, Dubuque, and Loras were uncharacteristically successful outside the circuit, and Wartburg was its usual reliable self), while the MIAC is its usual mediocre 26-28. Head-to-head, the IIAC has gone 3-2 against the MIAC, but that's too small a sample size to take seriously as far as conference head-to-heads are concerned.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Drake Palmer on January 13, 2006, 06:49:11 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2006, 06:02:29 PM
...(Buena Vista was drastically down in November and December, but Coe, Dubuque, and Loras were uncharacteristically successful outside the circuit, and Wartburg was its usual reliable self), while the MIAC is its usual mediocre 26-28. Head-to-head, the IIAC has gone 3-2 against the MIAC, but that's too small a sample size to take seriously as far as conference head-to-heads are concerned.

OOOh, slow burn Uncle Greg, little MIAC eyes are reading!  Now we know how you really feel about our conference.   ;) See if I steer anymore Covies down your direction!  There's another Berg at Mpls Washburn that I hear is sitting on the fence - NPU or MIAC? 

Let's see, Covies to Lutherans - I think that will work.   :-*

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2006, 07:37:06 PM
Quote from: Drake Palmer on January 13, 2006, 06:49:11 PMOOOh, slow burn Uncle Greg, little MIAC eyes are reading!  Now we know how you really feel about our conference.   ;)

I'm not bashing your circuit, Drake. Just engaging an honest question from Keith45 with my usual candor.

Here's how the MIAC has fared in non-conference play over the past four seasons:

2005-06: 26-28 (.481)
2004-05: 28-36 (.378)
2003-04: 33-32 (.508)
2002-03: 39-30 (.565)

TOTAL: 126-126 (.500)

Since mediocre literally means "in the middle", what better word is there to describe a conference's performance when it has evenly split its non-conf games over the past four seasons?

Quote from: Drake Palmer on January 13, 2006, 06:49:11 PMOOOh, slow burn Uncle Greg, little MIAC eyes are reading!  Now we know how you really feel about our conference.   ;) See if I steer anymore Covies down your direction!  There's another Berg at Mpls Washburn that I hear is sitting on the fence - NPU or MIAC?

We'd love to have any more Bergs from Washburn that you care to send down to us. We do appreciate the original model. We only request that you make the next one a wee bit taller.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 14, 2006, 12:22:34 AM
Great game tonight at Eby Fieldhouse -- two great games in fact. Both Coe victories in overtime, but Central gave great effort on Coe's home court. I can't wait until the students return and establish a home court advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Drake Palmer on January 14, 2006, 12:56:48 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2006, 07:37:06 PM
Since mediocre literally means "in the middle", what better word is there to describe a conference's performance when it has evenly split its non-conf games over the past four seasons?

While I respect the typical Sager "candor", I would have preferred you used a lighter touch around the keyboard instead of the words "usual mediocrity".  For me, mediocrity reminds me of the phrase "mired in mediocrity", or shudder, just plain old "average".  And as a Minnesotan, you know we have problems with being just average.   ;)

In the words of noted Minnesota wordsmith Garrison Keillor as he introduces his radio show - "Welcome to Lake Wobegon (Minnesota), where all the women are strong, all the men are good-looking, and all the children are above average."  We'd like to think our MIAC basketball teams are above average too.  :)

Maybe next time you could point out how the MIAC's typically, mediocre non conference record, have yielded surprisingly strong, post season results?  I don't have the information readily at my fingertips, but if one of my fellow MIAC or West region posters stumbles across this thread mebbe they can help me out. 

It would be interesting to know how well the mid level D3 conferences have done in post season play.  Perhaps something along the lines of:

16 points - national championship final
12 points - final four
8 points - regional final
4 points – regional final four
2 points – regionals
1 points – second round

Hmm – isn't what I'm suggesting what you or Pat refer to as an "Ypsi"?  Asking someone else to do your research for you?  ::) Well, if this hasn't been done before, if you or someone else point me in the right direction, I'll see what I can look up over the next couple of days.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 13, 2006, 07:37:06 PM
We'd love to have any more Bergs from Washburn that you care to send down to us. We do appreciate the original model. We only request that you make the next one a wee bit taller.  :D

I don't know if I can help you out much with the younger Berg's height.  Stefan is only listed as 5-10 on the Washburn roster.   With names like Stefan & Bjorn, I'm assuming they're related and their parents are big-time tennis fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 14, 2006, 09:40:02 AM
Quote from: Drake Palmer on January 14, 2006, 12:56:48 AMHmm – isn't what I'm suggesting what you or Pat refer to as an "Ypsi"?  Asking someone else to do your research for you?  ::) Well, if this hasn't been done before, if you or someone else point me in the right direction, I'll see what I can look up over the next couple of days.

Very astute of you to avoid being accused of an Ypsi, Drake.  :D I had all of this data a year or so ago, but I lost it all when I moved last March. Researching this will be a bit time-consuming for you, but it doesn't have to be terribly tedious if you restrict your research to a few select conferences with which you think the MIAC is comparable.

I would suggest, though, that you post the results in another room. The best room for it would be "Research and historical results" on the Multi-Regional Topics tree. If you do want to keep it here, however, I would strongly suggest that you include the IIAC on the list of conferences with which you'd like to compare the MIAC in terms of postseason play. We don't want to bother our good friends from the Hawkeye State with a lot of talk that doesn't concern them. ;)

How do you go about it? Easy. Go out to the D3hoops.com front page and click on the Archives link in the right-hand blue column. It has the line scores for every D3 tournament game ever played, all the way back to the first tourney in March, 1975. The last few seasons have D3hoops.com's tourney coverage linked via the Archives, so you might have to click through an extra page to get to the bracket listing, which is where the results are kept.

If you get stuck on something -- let's say you want to know when Wittenberg transferred from the OAC to the NCAC, or when the NESCAC finally permitted its teams to participate in the tourney -- don't hesitate to send me an e-mail.

Happy researching!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 14, 2006, 11:17:56 AM
That's more like it...4 for 4 last night! 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2006, 06:31:17 PM
Since the playoffs took their current form, with Pool B and C and 30-some automatic bids:

Conference                                                W   L   Pct.
Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference            24   6   .800
Ohio Athletic Conference                                 16   6   .727
Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association            13   6   .684
New England Small College Athletic Conference            21  11   .656
Capital Athletic Conference                              13   7   .650
College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin             15   9   .625
University Athletic Association                          14   9   .609
New Jersey Athletic Conference                           12   8   .600
New England Women's and Men's Athletic Conference        11   8   .579
State University of New York Athletic Conference          9   7   .563
Great South Athletic Conference                           7   6   .538
MAC Freedom League                                        7   6   .538
Massachusetts State Collegiate Athletic Conference        7   6   .538
Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference            10   9   .526
Old Dominion Athletic Conference                         12  11   .522
North Coast Athletic Conference                           9   9   .500
Northwest Conference                                      8   8   .500
Little East Conference                                    7   7   .500
Centennial Conference                                     6   6   .500
MAC Commonwealth League                                   6   7   .462
Liberty League                                            5   6   .455
Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference                   5   6   .455
American Southwest Conference                             7   9   .438
Midwest Conference                                        5   7   .417
Pennsylvania Athletic Conference                          5   7   .417
Heartland Collegiate Athletic Conference                  4   6   .400
Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference                  4   6   .400
Southern California Intercollegiate Athletic Conference   4   6   .400
Allegheny Mountain Collegiate Conference                  3   5   .375
Skyline Conference                                        3   6   .333
USA South Athletic Conference                             3   6   .333
Presidents' Athletic Conference                           1   2   .333
Empire 8                                                  2   6   .250
City University of New York Athletic Conference           1   6   .143
Great Northeast Athletic Conference                       1   6   .143
Northern Illinois-Iowa Conference                         1   7   .125
Independents                                              1   9   .100
North Eastern Athletic Conference                         0   1   .000
North Atlantic Conference                                 0   5   .000
Commonwealth Coast Conference                             0   6   .000
Lake Michigan Conference                                  0   6   .000
St. Louis Intercollegiate Athletic Conference             0   6   .000

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Drake Palmer on January 15, 2006, 12:27:07 AM
Thanks Pat!  You saved me hours of research.  I did follow Greg's suggestion, went to the archives & made copies of the tourney results from previous years.   I'll play around with the data & see if there are any noteworthy trends or observations.

Thanks again.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on January 15, 2006, 07:54:39 AM
The score listed on d3hoops is the women's game.  Coe beat Luther 77 to 65, thus remaining undefeated in IIAC play.

http://www.coe.edu/athletics/

      or

http://www.coe.edu/athletics/basketballm/stats/13-lut.htm

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2006, 02:35:54 PM
Thanks.

We rely on schools to post the scores correctly and sometimes they can't manage this.

However, please e-mail me, don't post on the message board looking for our attention on this. There are a ton of message boards but only a couple of mailboxes. I'll see the mail faster, nine times out of 10.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on January 15, 2006, 09:48:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 15, 2006, 02:35:54 PM
Thanks.

We rely on schools to post the scores correctly and sometimes they can't manage this.



Sorry Pat,

I didn't think to email you.
As far as our SID goes, I haven't been impressed.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 17, 2006, 12:21:20 PM
I'll take BV, Simpson, Central, and Coe tonight.

I know it's been said previously, but it's too bad that some of the bigger games are played on Tues. nights this year. ???

It does look like BV is streaming the game live tonight from their website...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 17, 2006, 04:32:58 PM
I wouldn't count on listening to a BV webcast tonight Show.  All the games you mentioned are tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 18, 2006, 02:45:19 PM
Good call.  I try not to keep track of the days until I hear Friday!  Luckily there isn't very much traffic on the board, so I didn't mislead too many...   ;D

My predictions stand.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 18, 2006, 11:17:53 PM
Amazing atmosphere in Eby Fieldhouse tonight! Cornell shot lights out, but Coe prevailed 89-84 to go to 5-0 in conference play. Kyle Kuenstling poured in 38 points, complemented by Mike Kilburg's 23. I'd say it's about time the Kohawks got some attention from the voters.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on January 19, 2006, 07:56:04 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on January 18, 2006, 11:17:53 PM
I'd say it's about time the Kohawks got some attention from the voters.

      I'd say you can't expect attention from the voters until Coe beats Wartburg, which we will find out if they can this Saturday. 
     The game last night was a fun one to watch.  Cornell should be proud of their effort, and a little bit mad at the refs.  Too many calls toward the end of the game.  They should of let the players decide the outcome.  The end of the game is not the time to start calling ticky tack fouls.
      I do think Coe would have prevailed regardless of the refs, but the Cornell coach was visibly angry at the end of the game, and not because of the way his kids played.  It was great to watch another heated contest between these long time rivals.
      I also thought the Coe students handled themselves very well.  Cheering positively for Coe and not negatively toward their opponent, I can't say as much for the Cornell fans. 
     In closing, I must say it was disappointing to see so few students in the stands, back in my day it would be hard to find a place to stand for Coe vs. Cornell, and that was back when Coe had about two hundred less students.  The atmosphere was good, but definately not amazing, but Charlie has a problem with embellishing the facts.

Coo Coo for Coe Kohawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 19, 2006, 08:52:01 AM
 Coocs,
  I think all rivalries have lost some flair this year with the games being scheduled on weekdays. With the Wartburg/Luther game before Christmas on a weeknight this year, there were far fewer people than normal, A far cry from some of my years there when they would bring in several extra rent-a-cops to controll the crowd.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 19, 2006, 10:02:50 AM
Dubuque had three guys who attempted atleast 20 shots, that stat is amazing, I've never seen that in a college game.  And why didn't Soppe play, what was the deal there?
On another note, barely beating Cornell, the worst team in the league or in the midwest for that matter, is hardly worthy of receiving votes...granted they probably played better due to it being a big rivarly game, but the voters won't take that into consideration.  I agree, if they beat Wartburg then they should receive serious consideration.
One last comment, I highly doubt Wartburg wants Lee Nelson leading the team in shot attempts when you have Cartmill, Steege, and Schmidt on your team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 19, 2006, 11:12:37 AM
I think Coe can give Wartburg a run, especially at home...for some reason, Schmidt hasn't looked (to me anyway) as dominant as I thought he would be..
And what happened to Luther?
And I don't know what to say about UD..I had high hopes this year, and they got higher after we beat Platteville..but 1-6 in the conference is not looking good...but at least we have played teh top 3 teams already, maybe we can bounce back by feasting on BV, Central and Cornell, to get us to the conference tournament anyway
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on January 19, 2006, 11:23:35 AM
Balla-

If you haven't seen Lee Nelson shoot then you should bite your tongue.  He is probably the best catch and shoot guy in the league, not to mention the most improved player in the league as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 19, 2006, 11:33:04 AM
PDMCGEE
Well, since Steege had 8 assists, I may agree with you...but a catch and shoot guy isn't getting a ton of shots, unless they are playing a horrible team with no scouting report

and I don't know about most improved player, I'd vote for UD's PG or Stottmeister or even Soppe
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 19, 2006, 12:03:23 PM
Trust me, I've seen him shoot and I wasn't too impressed.  He's not even the best catch and shoot guy on his own team, Cartmill is probably the best in the league at catch and shoot...and after that it's Braden from Loras, Axdahl from Coe, Clark from Central.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 19, 2006, 02:23:32 PM
You can argue about Nelson's rank as a catch and shoot guy, but the one thing about him is that he takes very few bad shots.  If he doesn't have an open look, he'll usually pass it up.  If we're starting to look at who's taking the most shots for Wartburg in a game where the Knights won by 20, I think some people on here are looking for any chance to rip Wartburg.

To go from averaging about 10 minutes a game to being a starter that shoots better than 45% for the season, then factor in the fact that he's done that on the best team in the conference, and I think you've got a pretty good case for Nelson as Most Improved.  I don't think you can give that honor to Soppe since his real breakout year was last season.  Soppe's probably closer to an MVP candidate than for MIP.

As far as the comment about Nate Schmidt not having very good numbers this year, I don't think that's very valid.  While his FG% and rebounds are down slightly, his scoring average is up from last year and he's scoring 2.5 more points per IIAC game than he did last season.  And if you think he's seeing the same level of defensive pressure this year, you're crazy.  Teams are game-planning around him defensively this season and he has seen a ton of double teams from squads whose posts just don't measure up.  That probably accounts for the drop in FG% and boards, but to put up MORE points with that going on is pretty impressive.

Saturday's game should be a good one.  Both the Wartburg-Coe games last year were outstanding, and Wartburg's win at home provided a spark that shot the Knights out to that 15 game win streak and 15-1 IIAC record.  Any Wartburg fans coming to the game are asked to wear black to see a great game and, in all likelyhood, the game in which Schmidt reaches 1,000 points for his career.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 19, 2006, 03:01:00 PM
I think I was basing that comment on non-conference...but I expected him to dominate..bad comparision, but Nick Thomas sees as much, if not more defensive attention that Schmidt due to his team (Schmidt has Steege, Thomas has Daugherty, who would you take?) and Nick is matching and exceeding last years performance...I guess I expected more than 14 and 6 for a pre-season MVP candidate..and overall he is averaging 13 and 5.8..those are average numbers, to me anyway..and right now, Coe is the top team in the conference..and no, I am not looking to rip Wartburg, I actually they have more skill than any other team in the conference, and due to that, Schmidt isn't standing out..Plus I think Schmisd is not very aggressive this year, Steege has twice as many free throws on the year than Schmidt
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 19, 2006, 05:01:16 PM
I'm not ripping Wartburg either, I don't know why everyone got so defensive.  I just couldn't believe Nelson lead the team in shot attempts when you have three other potential all conference players on the court.  4 of 13 sticks out when it's your fourth or fifth option.

And I agree with Keith, I was expecting bigger numbers out of Schmidt this year.  I was thinking he was going to have a year like Scott Weber had a couple of years ago averaging about 18.5 and 7 rebounds.  I can't imagine Schmidt is getting any more attention than Weber did that season.  But Wartburg is winning and that really is all that matters, but you Wartburg fans have to admit, coming into the year you'd expect Schmidt to average a lot more than 13 and 5.8
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 19, 2006, 05:43:00 PM
Maybe a couple more points, like 15 or so, but his rebounds are right at or above where I expected.  Obviously we've got some short memories around here because when he got MVP last year everyone was saying he didn't deserve it because his rebound numbers were so low.  Schmidt isn't, and never has been, the kind of guy that's going to pull in 8-10 boards per game.  That's just not his game.  He's much more likely to block a shot than to grab a rebound and I would argue that those two things are equally as valuable.As for the points, I already mentioned that his FG% is down this year.  If he pulls that up a bit, he'll be averaging 15 or 16 in no time.

Now about the defensive attention, I'm not going to argue that Nick Thomas is the focal point of any team that plays Dubuque, but teams found out last year that you can contain him with one guy.  He's not someone you need to double team for 40 minutes.  On the other hand, there are very few big men in the IIAC that can handle Schmidt by themselves.  Teams will sag defenders off of Wartburg's 4 and 5 options to double Schmidt every time he gets the rock.  Weber saw a lot of that at BV, but on the teams he played on, you almost had to guard him with one guy and take your chances.  If he didn't beat you, Wiebers or Bissen or Pelzer would.

And one argument I didn't want to bring into this, but I'm going to anyway is that Schmidt gets absolutely zero help from the striped shirts.  Talented guards will often get calls because they can make it look like things are worse than that actually are, but big men working in a crowded area don't have that luxury.  If you want to argue this with me, I suggest you watch the tape from Wartburg's games against Loras, Central, and Dubuque to see exactly what I'm talking about.  I believe in making a guy work for his points just as much as the next guy, but Schmidt gets worked over every night.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrAzYkNiGhT on January 20, 2006, 01:15:01 AM
balla....i think we need to lay off nelson...one night he goes 4-13, and your all over him....but i do think he is one of, if not the best pure shooter in the league
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 20, 2006, 09:21:32 AM
sportsknight, I agree with you 100% about the referees and their calls with good posts in the league.  It seems like the guards always get bailed out, while on the other side, they look at someone like Schmidt who is bigger and think he should be able to take the physical beating without a foul.  I don't know why IIAC officials do that, but a foul is a foul and it needs to be called, otherwise they just keep hacking them all game.  We saw that at BV a lot last year with Bissen.  It can get really frustrating and makes you think twice about going into the post sometimes
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 20, 2006, 09:56:14 AM
Hey, enough talking about the ref's..... Nick Thomas makes his living at the line!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on January 20, 2006, 11:56:28 AM
Balla,

The same thing happens in my pickup games.  Guards call everything and big men just absorb the punishment.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 21, 2006, 11:55:04 AM
I'll take BV, Simpson, Luther, and Wartburg today.  There could be some great games today with three of the four games being pretty evenly matched with the Luther/Cornell game being a blowout
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 21, 2006, 06:55:19 PM
Cartmill hits 3 at buzzer to beat Coe!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on January 21, 2006, 09:17:27 PM
How many times in the last 3-4 years has the Coe-Wartburg games came down to the last shot?? I know this isn't the first or second time....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 21, 2006, 10:31:30 PM
Hat's off to Wartburg for winning a thriller today over Coe. It was D3 basketball at its finest, and the Coe-Ko-Nuts were in full throat. And that's the truth!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 21, 2006, 11:51:52 PM
Sounds like a great game w/ Coe and Wartburg.  My only question?? Were Kilburg and Schmidt matched up all game?? Cuz if so that was a butt whooping Kilburg put on our MVP.  Steege will win it hands down if Wartburg wins the league.  Not sure how he gets it done, but he does.  Nice to see Simpson get back at Central too.  BV drops another one....L O N G time since we have seen anything like this from them.  AND....how about Luther ?? still going to compete for the conference title?? still a top 3 team?? hahahahahaha
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 22, 2006, 12:29:16 PM
I took one look at the box score and knew Pat Brown must have been officiating last night. The guy lets 'em play. What were there? 26 fouls called between the 2 teams. I love it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrAzYkNiGhT on January 22, 2006, 05:57:46 PM
WHAT A GAME!!!  Never been a part of anything so crazy in my life.  Cartmill's shot was just like something you dream of.  Packed gym, down by 1 w/ 10 seconds left, drive and kick and knock down the 3 for the win.  All around great game by both sides.  Fans were great, coaching was great, and even the refs did a good job.....absoutly a CRAZY KNIGHT
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on January 22, 2006, 08:12:34 PM
No one answered Observer's question about Kilburg and Schmidt. Were they matched up on each other or was Kuenstling? Either way, sounds like it was a great game and great atmosphere. With Brungaard's return to full force look for the Kohawk to continue playing strong. I still have not figured out Steege's uncanny ability to play at a high level since he is severely undersized but props to him for it!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 22, 2006, 09:27:02 PM
Schmidt and Kilburg were up against each other at times, but Kilburg got the majority of his points with Schmidt on the bench.  This is going to sound odd, but if anyone can have a "quiet" 32 points, Kilburg did it.  I about fell over when I saw that number in the box score.  If anyone else for Coe steps up for a double-figures night, I think the end result might have been different.

For the rest of the game, I can't remember Knights Gym being that loud before.  Fans from both teams were out in force, and what Coe's fans lacked in quantity, they made up for in quality.  I'll give them plenty of credit because it sure seemed like every fan they had there was chanting, while the Wartburg crowd had to overcome some apathy from a few of the fans.  Honestly, I don't know how you can show up to a game like that, see the level of play that is being exhibited on the court and not get excited, but maybe that's just me.

Knights need to keep their focus this week.  Avoiding a let-down at Central will be a challenge, as will not looking past Dubuque to a very big match-up with Simpson on Saturday night.  I've got a good feeling about this week though.

In closing, "We Want Brase! (clap, clap, clap-clap-clap) We Want Brase! (clap, clap, clap-clap-clap)"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 22, 2006, 10:16:45 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 22, 2006, 09:27:02 PM
For the rest of the game, I can't remember Knights Gym being that loud before.  Fans from both teams were out in force, and what Coe's fans lacked in quantity, they made up for in quality.  I'll give them plenty of credit because it sure seemed like every fan they had there was chanting, while the Wartburg crowd had to overcome some apathy from a few of the fans.  Honestly, I don't know how you can show up to a game like that, see the level of play that is being exhibited on the court and not get excited, but maybe that's just me.

In closing, "We Want Brase! (clap, clap, clap-clap-clap) We Want Brase! (clap, clap, clap-clap-clap)"

Great post sportsknight. You're a class act to acknowledge the opposing team's fans. I think it says something about the quality of basketball at both schools that so many made the journey from Cedar Rapids. And I about busted a gut laughing at that Brase chant. See you at Eby Fieldhouse on Feb. 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrAzYkNiGhT on January 23, 2006, 12:08:55 AM
I agree sportsknight, this week will be a big one for the Knights.  On paper it may not look that way, but it will be tough to bounce right back after a huge win.  i think the knights have enough senior leadership to overcome this, but it wouldnt surprise me to see central leading at the half in pella tuesday night
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 23, 2006, 02:05:13 PM
A quiet 32?? How does that happen?? Especially when you go 15-22 from the field.  I wasn't there, but that doesn't make sense.  My question is how does our conference MVP only play 22 minutes in a huge game like that?? 

Just a guess.....but my thought is Coach Peth (probably the best defensive coach in the league) wasn't happy w/ his defense (resulting in a 32 point night for Kilburg) and thus sat him on the bench. 

I wasn't there, but that seems to be a realistic and logical guess to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldgold on January 23, 2006, 04:44:37 PM
Coach Peth is a great coach and one hell of a nice guy, but he coaches the offense and his assistant, Coach Drake, takes the defense........and he wasn't happy with the effort.  I thought the switch to zone in the first half was a great call, and seemed to catch Coe off guard and allowed the Knights to close the gap at half-time.

I wouldn't say the #40's 32 points was quiet, it was anything but.  He was the only one who was scoring for them, so if you didn't notice that you must have been sleeping.

Great game on both sides.......the best one I have seen all year.  I give credit to the Knights for not panicing the last posession, even after a few fumbles of the  ball.  Their poise showed, and good teams step up when the game is on the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 23, 2006, 05:41:19 PM
Quote from: oldgold on January 23, 2006, 04:44:37 PM
I wouldn't say the #40's 32 points was quiet, it was anything but.  He was the only one who was scoring for them, so if you didn't notice that you must have been sleeping.

I didn't say I didn't notice Kilburg, I was just saying that I never would have guessed that he had 32.  If you asked me right after the game, I would have put him somewhere in the mid-20s.  That said, I'm not trying to take anything away from his performance.  I do think that he'd be all that much better if he could make his free throws.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 23, 2006, 06:19:34 PM
I wasn't at the game, but Sportsknight wasn't the only one that I talked to that thought Kilburgs 32 were "quiet"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 23, 2006, 06:48:31 PM
Was this last second shot anything like the ones Wiebers used to drop on the Knights?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 24, 2006, 01:52:51 PM
I'll take Coe, Loras, Simpson, and Central tonight in a shocker...a little hangover on the road by the Knights.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 24, 2006, 02:00:34 PM
I'll take BV, Wartburg, Simpson, and Loras...BV plays with a little pride and knocks off Coe at home
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 24, 2006, 02:59:21 PM
Its going to take more than a little pride for this year's Beavers to knock of the Kohawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 24, 2006, 04:07:42 PM
I'll take the Beavers (even though they just lost to Dubuque for the first time since 1996 :o)

I still think they'll have some tricks in the bag come conference tournament time...

I'll also take Wartburg, Loras, and Simpson tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 25, 2006, 12:02:17 AM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on January 24, 2006, 02:59:21 PM
Its going to take more than a little pride for this year's Beavers to knock of the Kohawks.

It took a good shooting night.  BV shoots 53% from 3-point range while Coe only hits 16%.

Looks like I pulled off a 4 for 4 prediction night, as did balla_1982...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 25, 2006, 12:17:36 AM
Ouch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 25, 2006, 08:45:31 AM
WOW! So it was Coe that suffered a hangover from Saturday and not Wartburg.
Will this be the game that changes the tide of BV's season?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 25, 2006, 02:24:41 PM
BV is always going to be tough at home, no matter what kind of season they are having and have always  took a lot of pride in defending the home court.  They were due for a big win sometime and Coe lives and dies by the 3, and last night they definately died.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on January 25, 2006, 07:51:18 PM
Coe also got killed on the boards, much as they did early int he season. Coach Juckem must have made it a point of emphasis to improve throughout the year but they (without looking) got outrebounded 39-25 or something of that margin. Whenever I look at a box score, shooting percentage and rebounds are the only two categories that I truly look at. That and who won and lost, which is obviously important. Show-is J-S preparing to make the move down to 2A this fall??
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 25, 2006, 10:25:07 PM
Quote from: balla_1982 on January 25, 2006, 02:24:41 PM
Coe lives and dies by the 3, and last night they definately died.

With all due respect balla, I don't think this is a fair assessment of this year's Coe team. The Kohawks are third in the conference in scoring at 72.9 points per game, but they're tied for sixth in 3-point field goals made (6.29 per game). Of the 101 field goals made by their two leading scorers, Kilburg and Kuenstling, only nine were three pointers (all by Kuenstling). Coe may have died by the 3 at BV, but they've lived in the paint this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 25, 2006, 10:35:40 PM
Unless something has changed recently, I think we're going to be about the bottom 3 (in size) in 3A :(  We still have the P-C that goes with the J-S.  However, we're 2A in everything else...go figure!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 26, 2006, 10:07:05 AM
Oh, I was basing that on what I've seen from them in the past and then the from Tuesday's game.  Shooting 32 3's, or whatever it was, probably explained why they lost; it took them away from their two biggest threats. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 26, 2006, 12:21:20 PM
Coe's biggest problem is their inability to get to the free throw line, and while there, to convert their attempts.  As a team, they were 2-9 against Wartburg, and I don't think they had more than 10 attempts against BV either.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 27, 2006, 10:15:17 AM
UPSET SPECIAL

UD over Wart
Thomas goes for 40, STOTMEISTER has a double double and holds Schmidt to 10

You heard it here first
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on January 27, 2006, 12:13:38 PM
Alright....weekend picks.

Friday
Cornell over Central  -  I think I gave Central too much credit early in the year.
Wartburg over UD  -  15 plus
Coe over Loras  -  About the time of year when Loras always fades....plus Coe is solid
Simpson over BV  -  Simpson's group they are playing have always played well at BV.

Saturday
Loras over Central -
BV over Cornell
Coe over UD
Simpson over Wartburg  -  My weekend upset special. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 27, 2006, 01:36:38 PM
I'll just do Friday's for now and go for another perfect night :

Central over Cornell - Cornell has been playing surprisingly well of late, but I think it's time for Central to wake up, they have too much talent to be this bad.

Wartburg over Dubuque - Dubuque almost got them last year at Wartburg and I guarantee this year Peth reminds them of that, Wartburg wins in a blow out.

Coe over Loras - Agreeing with IACC Observer, this is the time of the year Loras fades and Coe re-establishes their two posts as their go-to's and don't shoot 32 3's

BV over Simpson - Kind of an upset, but again, BV is at home and for some reason Soppe hasn't been playing and Wittry is an excellent defender and can handle Hittenmiller, so all that leaves for Simpson is Parkinson.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 27, 2006, 02:04:44 PM
I'm taking BV, Central, Wartburg, & Coe tonight...
AND
BV, Loras, Coe, & Wartburg Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 27, 2006, 02:26:42 PM
I'll take Show's picks, with the exception of UD over Wart...I want to say that UD has reevnge on their mind versus Coe, but Coe seems to be too strong in the post. UD's post player (Stottmeister) has had a good few games, but he has his work cut out for him
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sc_stormchaser on January 27, 2006, 06:56:40 PM
Soppe has a cast on his foot. I don't have the inside scoop, but I assume he won't be playing for awhile.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 27, 2006, 10:03:37 PM
UD 58, Wart 51..upset special..any insight?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 27, 2006, 10:05:07 PM
Womens upset anyway
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 27, 2006, 10:53:38 PM
BV wins 65-59.

Simpson scored 10 points in the first 13 minutes of the second half after leading by 7 at the half...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 27, 2006, 11:56:09 PM
Quite a battle tonight at Eby Fieldhouse. Coe sealed it when Loras was called for an intentional foul, prompting the Loras coach to toss his jacket onto the court and draw a technical. The Coe-Ko-Nuts are making Eby a very difficult place for opponents to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 28, 2006, 08:47:39 AM
Another perfect night...I think Show needs to quit copying my picks...but that's what guys with the nickname "poop ****" do...lol, right show? 

Easy night of picks tonight, should extend the streak to three perfect nights:  BV, Wartburg, Coe, and Loras.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on January 28, 2006, 09:25:24 AM
I realize that this is a men's topic board, but what is going on with the Wartburg women's basketball program? WB is strong as an ox across the board in all other major sports but why not women's basketball? Monica having a hard time recruiting kids or is retention the problem? I have to give props to Coach Brunner and her Coe Women's squad. Losing four of their top players is tough to overcome. Granted they are only .500 in conference play, which is still much better than I or most people expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 28, 2006, 01:28:42 PM
LOL  Nice!

For the record...I made my picks for tonight's game before you!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 28, 2006, 08:27:02 PM
81-59 Beavers over Cornell.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: adammorrisonpornst on January 29, 2006, 02:26:28 AM
Wartburg's women's program is getting killed in recruiting. There is a perception out there that coach Severson is...how to say this???--not a heterosexual -- which I am assuming doesn't set too well in small-town Iowa.  I have no idea whether it is true or not, nor do I care. All I know is that when my niece was being recruited by teams in the IIAC and the MIAC, there were coaches who weren't afraid to point that out. Also, I have heard that she is just not a nice person.  Again, all hearsay, but that goes a long way in the recruiting process.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 29, 2006, 09:28:25 AM
I have no idea what is going on with the women's program. They did have 1 defection after the Christmas Break, and 2 recent ACL injuries and I think all 3 were starters. As for coach Severson. I've had nothing but positive experiences with her and know her as a very friendly person. She's been around Wartburg for 18 years and has 5 conf championships and I believe this will only be her second losing season.
Why is it that many women in sports are perceived as you say "not heterosexual?"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on January 31, 2006, 07:07:44 PM
I'll take Dubuque over the School for the Blind tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 01, 2006, 03:03:25 PM
Quote from: adammorrisonpornst on January 29, 2006, 02:26:28 AM
There is a perception out there that coach Severson is...how to say this???--not a heterosexual

This is by far the most ridiculous thing I have ever read on this board.  I think it is very sad that female athletes and coaches still have to deal with these types of perceptions.  Its absolutely idiotic.  In case I was using words too big for you to understand, adammorrison, that means that I'm calling you a homophobic dumbass.

As far as the situation with the Wartburg women's basketball team, all I know is that coach Severson is on a leave of absence for personal reasons.  It was made very clear that she made this decision on her own and was not forced or coaxed into anything by anyone else.  Obviously the team members know the most of anyone, but they are being very tight-lipped.  I have heard some things, but it is still way too speculative to mention here.

For what it's worth, I've known coach Severson for about 4.5 years now and have always been impressed by her enthusiasm for the game and her professionalism.  Even with "down" teams in the past couple years, she has maintained both of those qualities and I was incredibly surprised to hear about her leave.

Last of all, I think that just about everyone here should know that what coaches say about other coaches on the recruiting trail should be taken with a grain of salt.  I don't want to mention any names, but there is a former IIAC men's coach that has flat out lied to recruits repeatedly, going so far as to suggest that former Wartburg assistant Mark Franzen had a cocaine problem.  Don't believe every thing you hear.

As far as tonight's games go, I like the favorites:  BV, Coe, Loras, Wartburg.  Its still weird to me that Wartburg-Luther, Coe-Cornell, and Loras-Dubuque are on Wednesday nights.  Guess you can't really have a rivalry weekend these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 01, 2006, 03:46:09 PM
I'll take Loras, BV, Coe, and Luther in an upset...Wartburg won't travel well on a Wed. night.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stickman on February 01, 2006, 11:00:56 PM
Luther did beat Wartburg tonight - 66-65, Cartmill made a lay-up at the buzzer to make it 1 point
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 02, 2006, 12:02:24 AM
Coe silences Cornell 83-65 on 32 points from Kuenstling and 18 from Axdahl, including 4 of 5 3-pointers and 2-2 on the obligatory technical shots after the toilet paper toss. That, coupled with Wartburg's loss, should make for a classic college basketball atmosphere on Saturday when the Knights visit Coe.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 02, 2006, 08:21:51 AM
Man, twice in one year losing to Luther. I don't know if I can take it anymore. That's just something that shouldn't happen.
You're right Charlie. I wish I could make it Saturday night. That should be a fun game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on February 02, 2006, 08:36:36 AM
UD over Loras as well. Both teams hit 14 3's. Quite a shootout in the fieldhouse!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 02, 2006, 10:06:52 AM
WOW.  28 3's made in a game...were they both sitting in a 2-3 zone or what?  With a win over Loras, I figured we would've heard from Keith by now...maybe he was out too late last night celebrating!  ;D

3 out of 4 games resulting in upsets last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on February 02, 2006, 10:41:56 AM
Loras spent quite a bit of time in a 2-3. They were just shooting from ridiculous range. They just played pretty solid last night. Loss really hurt Loras as Wartburg got beat. Where you at Keith?? Didn't see you last night!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 02, 2006, 12:12:50 PM
Crunch time in the Iowa Conference and Loras begins to fade, that's weird....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 02, 2006, 04:13:22 PM
GO UD!!!!!!!
These damn weekday games kill me, I had a meeting or I would have come...
Nick with a 30 point game, first in a while..where the hell did Stineman get a j from, 4-4 on three's??? and loras went 14-26 from three, even with the guard off the bench going 1-7?? STOP SHOOTING DUDE!!! Anyway, I think this is the first win at Loras in YEARS, at least 8 years, big win for UD..Now if we can get back to giving Nick 20 shots a game, we can win a few and make some noise in the conference tournament....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on February 03, 2006, 03:43:02 PM
I'm not going to bother picking for tomorrow:  1.  I have been sucking it up, and 2. all the teams that are expected to win are going to win. 

Keith.....was not surprised Loras got beat by UD, but your comment about Stineman threw me for a loop.  He has always been a solid shooter, and part of what made Loras so hard to defend a few years ago was the fact that they ran that high pick and roll w/ Stineman and if you went behind the screen at all he would stop behind and drain it.  If you look at IIAC stats this year he is 19-40 from the 3 in conference play.  I'd take that.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 03, 2006, 04:13:54 PM
Yeah, I was half-joking..I remember when he made all conference 2 years ago and averaged like 8 points a game, I thought he was a kid who shot a high percentage cuz he barely shot, or never took bad shots..I think he averagd like 5 shots a game that year...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 03, 2006, 05:05:39 PM
I imagine there has to be at least one upset this weekend, so I'll take all the home teams for Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 03, 2006, 09:55:32 PM
Central, Loras, Dubuque, Wartburg.  Cedar Rapids is the place to be tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 04, 2006, 08:31:29 AM
Does anyone else find it funny that Wartburg played Ashford & Simpson this year. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 04, 2006, 09:59:29 PM
Great atmosphere today at Eby Fieldhouse as Coe topped #11 Wartburg 75-65. Maybe that'll get some voters' attention.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 04, 2006, 10:54:30 PM
One of the biggest crowds I've ever seen at Eby fieldhouse.  I can only think of one or two other games back when Cornell was competitive with Coe in the cage that packed more excitement than that crowd!  How about Kilburg!  He played less than half of the game and led all scorers with 23!

COOCOOFORCOEKOHAWKS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 05, 2006, 09:02:09 AM
Knights on a slide right now, hopefully they get the ship righted before tourney time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on February 05, 2006, 06:06:31 PM
Was very impressed with Coe's new coach and how hard his kids played vs. WB last night. It was a great game to watch. Just some thoughts-Coe plays much tougher defense than when in the Brase era; Kilburg is tough as nail, very smooth player; the officiating was up and down for both sides all night but overall I thought it wasn't too bad; Wartburg has some good looking young kids.  Have some more thoughts but out of time...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KohawkSideliner on February 05, 2006, 10:29:30 PM
I've been to a lot of Kohawk games at Eby but against Wartburg, that gym was the fullest and the loudest I've ever seen. That Coe student section was the biggest ever.
Props to whoever got that going
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 05, 2006, 10:46:46 PM
CooCoo, PainTrain and Sideliner are all right on the mark. You get the feeling that there's something special going on with Kohawk basketball. All credit goes to coach Pat Juckem and the excitement and energy he's brought to the program. He's worth the price of admission even if the team weren't so much fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 06, 2006, 10:57:22 AM
I can't remember a better crowd since Landis was coaching.  Back when E.J. was dishing it and Kleppe was rebounding it.  Do any of you Kohawks remember the Kleppe board.  Those were good times.  Great job by the fans on saturday.  Some alums are starting to come to the games.  That in it self is an accomplishment.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: viking68 on February 06, 2006, 12:01:55 PM
Coe got a great coach in Juckem (as you are discovering this year). Not only is he a good coach, he is a great person. I saw him at the Coe-Cornell game and congratulated him on the season so far, and he was very humble and gave all the credit to his players.

I knew him when he was an assistant a Lawrence University (my alma mater) and was always impressed with him. I hope another Tharp assistant (DeGeorge) can get the Rams turned around and make the Coe-Cornell rivarly meaningful again...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: viking68 on February 06, 2006, 12:02:47 PM
Oh, yeah, speaking of Coach DeGeorge and the Rams - big win for them against Central this weekend. I really think he is starting to turn the program around. We'll see in the next few years.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 06, 2006, 04:49:54 PM
Can't say I was all that impressed with Coe's crowd on Saturday.  Yes, there were a lot of people in Eby, but they weren't all Coe fans.  Wartburg brought a lot of people too and the atmosphere was nothing compared to the game a couple weeks back in Knights Gym.

I didn't think either team played all that well.  Coe did a nice job of getting back into the ballgame after Wartburg got out to a 6 point lead in the first five minutes or so and leading from about the 13:30 mark of the first half.  Every time Wartburg would cut the lead inside 5 or 6, Coe would make a shot or make a play on defense to keep Wartburg at bay, so a lot of credit to the Kohawks there. 

Juckems seems like he's got the team buying into what he's saying, but on the bench the guy is like Brase on speed.  He's always jumping up and down off the bench and is halfway out on the court at times.  If Coe gets into some big spots down the stretch, I think he's got to be more composed or the players are going to get way to jumpy.

As far as the officiating went, I'll agree with the earlier statement that it left a lot to be desired both ways.  When we saw Pat Brown come out of the locker room, I think everyone in the gym knew what kind of a game it was going to be, but the stripes lost control of that game a couple different times.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying Wartburg lost because of the officiating, but I've never announced a game where I referenced the officials as much.

The Knights really need to get their heads on straight in the next 24 hours.  Tuesday is a big game, because a loss to Loras and Wartburg drops to the #3 spot in the league with a tough road trip to BV next week.  I'm starting to think that this team will be a lot like last year's in that they never come to a peak.  As good as Wartburg played at times in 04-05, there was no one game that you could point to and say "They played their best basketball that night." 

These Knights need to step up.  Steege can't do it all.  They need to develop a consistent third option, rather than having it by committee.  Their interior defense needs to get a lot better or they're going to keep giving opposing post players career nights (White, Kilburg, Kuentsling, etc).  Nate Schmidt hasn't looked like a reigning MVP all season and he needs to start acting like he cares whether Wartburg wins or loses, because right now his body language and production say that he doesn't.

I know there are people that are going to read this and be surprised by what I've said (especially that last paragraph), but if losing at Luther and Coe isn't a big enough wake-up call for this team, then nothing I write is going to matter.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 06, 2006, 10:03:29 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 06, 2006, 04:49:54 PM
Can't say I was all that impressed with Coe's crowd on Saturday.  Yes, there were a lot of people in Eby, but they weren't all Coe fans.  Wartburg brought a lot of people too and the atmosphere was nothing compared to the game a couple weeks back in Knights Gym.

Your point is taken, however, we Kohawks sense something big happening throughout athletics.  It's an enthusiasm that is infecting the college.  Coe has not always had the most support from the student body.  Now, there is a positive swing of support and those of us who are passionate about Kohawk Nation are excited to see the passion spreading.  We can all thank the A.D. for his hard work in getting things to where they should be in Coe athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 06, 2006, 11:15:22 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 06, 2006, 04:49:54 PM
on the bench the guy is like Brase on speed.

Now that's funny! I can assure you, Sportsknight, Juckem is nothing like Brase off the court, except perhaps in his passion for success.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on February 06, 2006, 11:30:11 PM
Rome wasn't built in a day and everyone knows that. Wartburg and Central and other schools didn't build programs overnight. Even when Coe won a share of the IIAC in football in 02', that just set the goals even higher. But 3 out of the last 4 is something to be excited about. Coach Juckem did look like Brase on speed-but I don't think your comments about his players getting jumpy is on line. His passion is evident and you can see it in his players and by talking to them that they would run through a brick wall for him. He was sweating like an "UIU football player trying to read" though during that game. But I recall Peth was the one who got t-ed up, not Juckem....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 06, 2006, 11:49:44 PM
Quote from: PainTrain on February 06, 2006, 11:30:11 PM
He was sweating like an "UIU football player trying to read" though during that game.

You guys are killing me!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 07, 2006, 11:13:08 AM
Hey Hey!  Coe garnered some votes this week.  Only three spots away from being ranked.   This might be the year we break into the top 25!  How old is Juckem anyway?  I figure he is 32.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on February 07, 2006, 04:05:12 PM
Sportsknight-

Wow!!  Never thought I would have heard you say any of that stuff, but I guess everyone is entitled to their opinion.  However, you may be right about last years team never peaking, but I feel like if the season would have been a week or two longer the Knights would have been one of the best teams in the country.  That is a big if though. BV was a better team last year and early season losses cost Wartburg.   Another big if is whether the knights can finish strong and get a coe loss and repeat as conference champions.  However, if they don't the beauty of the conference championship is that it is another opportunity, a third season.  Non conference - conference - then conference tourney.  There is another chance and with three solid games you're golden. Steege is the MVP this year regardless and it should be unanimous.  The effort he gives every minute of every game is second to none and I love watching him play as much as I loved to play with him.  Everyone else plays hard too it's just that every game it's different guys scoring and stepping up, why can't it be two or three guys playing consistently well every game?  Good luck to the knights against loras.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 08, 2006, 12:10:44 AM
Coe 85
BV 71

Career-high 22 points by the Ax man on 6-9 shooting behind the arc and 4-4 from the line. Coe scored more points by half (50) than they managed in the entire game at Storm Lake (46). Pretty dead crowd, which is no surprise on a weeknight when lots of classes are held.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ram_this on February 08, 2006, 12:54:22 AM
I'll agree that Steege is the MVP, but only if Wartburg wins the IIAC title outright. Since 1992, only once has the league MVP not come from the championship team (Kevin Clipperton,  Upper Iowa - 1997).

Since it appears to be a two-team race, I think Kyle Kuenstling is the logical choice for Coe (although Kohawk fans could probably make a case for Mike Kilburg). I might be biased because Kuenstling's scored 70 points in two games against the Rams this season.

Kuenstling's IIAC rankings include 5th in points, 2nd in rebounding, assists and blocks, and fifth in field goal percentage (all rankings higher than Steege).

I think the only debate worth having is who wins if Coe and Wartburg finish with identical records. If statistics are used to break the tie, you'd have to give the edge to Kuenstling right now. I'm sure the seven coaches all have their own system to decide and some might not all look at league rankings.

One side note, since 1984 all Coaches of the Year have come from championship teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 08, 2006, 09:16:40 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 08, 2006, 12:10:44 AM

Pretty dead crowd, which is no surprise on a weeknight when lots of classes are held.

Maybe so, but the halftime show was great.  We need to start recruiting that little blond haired kid.  He could shoot!  That whole Xavier's crowd was big.  What is the deal with that?  I noticed, Charlie, that you were wearing one.  Good crowd for a tuesday night.  Quite a few football players were out supporting the cagers.  Not many alumni.  I didn't see any their.  I might have been the only one.
Nice win Kohawks, I'm gonna make the trip to Loras and meet up with a former Kohawk basketballer.  Alumni support in Dubuque!


COOCOOFORCOEKOHAWKS!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 08, 2006, 11:23:12 AM
Quote from: ram_this on February 08, 2006, 12:54:22 AM
I'm sure the seven coaches all have their own system to decide and some might not all look at league rankings.

Aren't there nine teams in the conference? Who doesn't get to vote?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ram_this on February 08, 2006, 11:25:52 AM
I'm assuming that the Coe and Wartburg coaches would side with their own players.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 08, 2006, 11:29:19 AM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 08, 2006, 09:16:40 AM
That whole Xavier's crowd was big.  What is the deal with that?

It's Coe's version of the Hawk's Nest, only our student section is called The Nut House. Xavier's is the sponsor and students have gone coocoo for the Coe-Ko-Nut t-shirts. Limited supplies remain, so get yours today!

I'm going to Loras too and won't be working for a change. Say hello coocoo since you know me but I don't know you, by appearance anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 08, 2006, 12:07:01 PM
If Coe and Wartburg tie for the regular season title, the MVP would go to Steege in a landslide.  Why?  Because he's been one of the best in the IIAC in his four years and the other coaches in the conference respect him and will give him his dues.  Kuenstling may be having the better season statistically, but Steege means more to his team, especially this year.  What it will come down to though is Steege is a senior, Kuenstling is a sophomore.  All the coaches who have been in the league for the last few years will give Steege their vote.  My guess would be Kuenstling would get Coe and Cornell's vote while Steege would get the rest.  BUT, Coe is in first all alone right now, so it would be hard not to give it to a Cohawk.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on February 08, 2006, 12:37:18 PM
First its KoHawk not CoHawk!  This is for all of you that have this thing for Steege!  As a good student section would chant "OVER RATED (Clap) (Clap) (Clap) (Clap) OVER RATED!!!" 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 08, 2006, 01:46:01 PM
False.  That is the dumbest chant ever thought up.  What good does it do to say that a team is overrated when you beat them?  Doesn't that diminish the quality of the win your squad just earned?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on February 08, 2006, 01:59:48 PM
 
Quote from: sportsknight on February 08, 2006, 01:46:01 PM
False. That is the dumbest chant ever thought up. What good does it do to say that a team is overrated when you beat them? Doesn't that diminish the quality of the win your squad just earned?


Actually, what I was referring to was the overating of a player not a team.  And not at all does that diminish the winning team, expesially if the winning team has a lower ranking or isnt ranked at all.  Obviously the better team was not the "rated" team.  Some of the comments that I have seen from you in the past makes me sad that I had to take the time to defend my first statement.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 08, 2006, 03:10:22 PM
Trust me, I'm not a Wartburg fan; in all honesty I don't like them at all.  But Steege is far from overrated, the guy can play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Droppin Bombs on February 08, 2006, 03:30:13 PM
How can you say that Stegee is the best player in the conference?  First of all he's not even the best player on his team.  If you look at games where Wartburg has lost at the end of games Stegee is jackin shots.  Looking at guys like kuentsling they're not afraid to let other player on their team make plays.  The reason why kuenstling is so much better then Stegee is due to his unselfishness.  How often do you see a four so high in the assist totals?  The kids rediculous and should get MVP the next three years.

PS
Travis Person is a douche
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 08, 2006, 05:06:08 PM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on February 08, 2006, 01:59:48 PM
not at all does that diminish the winning team, expesially if the winning team has a lower ranking or isnt ranked at all.  Obviously the better team was not the "rated" team. 

Obviously you aren't seeing my point.  In Coe's win over Wartburg, for example, wouldn't it be better to say that you beat eleventh best team in the country, rather than having beat a team that was ranked 11th and didn't deserve it?  That's why I think the overrated chant is so dumb.  And from some of the things you've said on here before, it doesn't surprise me at all that I have to explain this to you.

PS - The correct spelling of that word is especially.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 08, 2006, 05:09:56 PM
As far as the MVP race goes, I think these last couple weeks and the IIAC tournament will go a long way in deciding who gets it.  I think its a two horse race between Steege and Kilburg right now.  The IIAC coaches almost always give it to someone from the league champion, so Kilburg probably has the edge right now.

I'll take Kilburg over Kuenstling in this race any day of the week.  I know there's room for improvement from year to year, but the coaches will look at what Coe didn't have last year that has made them so much better this year.  Kilburg is that guy.  They had Kuenstling last year and only finished 4th in the league.  This year they have Kilburg and their at the top of the standings.  Not saying its right, but its how it would be if the voting was today.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 08, 2006, 05:19:58 PM
Another thing Coe didn't have last year was Pat Juckem as coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 08, 2006, 06:21:59 PM
Kilburg and Kuenstling are going to split the vote and the Wartburg guy will get it, no?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Droppin Bombs on February 08, 2006, 07:48:31 PM
Kuenstling was also a freshman last year and both him and kilburg have definite D 1 potential.  The only problem is that Kuentsling is dominating Kilburg in every statistical catagorie except PPG, but Kuenstling has a better field goal perct.  Both are great players, but Kuentsling can play 2 maybe 3 positions which gives him the edge.

PS
Travis Person is a douche
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 08, 2006, 10:44:16 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 08, 2006, 06:21:59 PM
Kilburg and Kuenstling are going to split the vote and the Wartburg guy will get it, no?

Were it something that a lot of media types, etc. vote on, maybe.  But given that the coaches vote on it, I don't think that'll happen.  Besides, for what I know of these things, coaches will let the others know which of their players they would rather see win things like All-IIAC and MVP.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 08, 2006, 10:51:56 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 08, 2006, 10:44:16 PM
[ Besides, for what I know of these things, coaches will let the others know which of their players they would rather see win things like All-IIAC and MVP.

Interesting insight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 09, 2006, 12:16:11 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 08, 2006, 10:44:16 PM
Besides, for what I know of these things, coaches will let the others know which of their players they would rather see win things like All-IIAC and MVP.

This makes it sound like shady politics. Actually, I believe coaches nominate players for post-season honors. Even if they were allowed two MVP nominations -- which I doubt -- a coach would be foolish to nominate two of his own players, no matter how deserving they both may be.

There's still a lot of ball to be played before the MVP race is decided. If I were to handicap the race at this point in time, I'd say Kuenstling is #1 with Kilburg a close #2. Steege? He's not even #3.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on February 09, 2006, 12:44:23 AM
MVP- Steege-Wartburg
1st Team
Kuenstling-Coe
Thomas- Dubuque
Hittenmiller- Simpson
Driftmier- Central
Kilburg- Coe
Schmidt- Wartburg

2nd Team
Rump- Luther
Lappe- Luther
White- Loras
Soppe- Simpson
Daugherty- Dubuque
Fogleman- Buena Vista

Others...
LaDew- Cornell
Clark- Central
Parkinson- Simpson
Slater- Loras

Top Freshman (No Order)
Fogleman- Buena Vista
LaDew- Cornell
Tierney- Cornell
Wagner- Buena Vista
Stark- Wartburg
Oeth- Loras
Mangrich- Dubuque
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on February 09, 2006, 04:31:46 PM
Come on Primetime! :o I could sit here and argue with you about your choose of MVP, but we have talked about it already! But I will argue about not having any other Coe athletes on that list.  To actually think that Coe's whole team consists of just two players is crazy, not only do they have one of the best starting 5, but they have one of the best 6th and 7th man off the bench.  I dont want to be to "pre-mature" in my pickings, but come on, think this one through.  I agree with some of the names, but i could think of a couple that should not be up there.  It's all our own opinions, and that is what makes this board great.  Anyone agree or disagree out there?! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 09, 2006, 04:37:58 PM
well, this Coe team is not on the level of BV a few years ago, when they had 3-4 deserving players, and they had the stats to back it up..and going back farther, when UIU had 5 players who could have been 1st and 2nd team all conference.....I'm not sure about 2 players from UD and Luther (although I like how Daugherty has stepped up, I'm not sure if it is defense or a new offense that is responsible for Thomas drop in scoring from last year)..so m,aybe one more Coe player for one of those spots, but statistically, who can you add in from Coe?
And MVP has to be Steege if they win it..if not, I'd say Killburg
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on February 09, 2006, 05:29:36 PM
Quote from: keith45 on February 09, 2006, 04:37:58 PMAnd MVP has to be Steege if they win it..if not, I'd say Killburg

NO WAY!!!!!!! I dont care if they went undefeated, he is not better then either of Coe's big guys!!  Stat wise or athletic wise.  He only is good when he is playing against teams with average posts, when he plays good or great posts he is average at best.  And that is giving him credit.  Enough about this MVP crap!!  How about this f'ing snow! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on February 09, 2006, 06:51:47 PM
I think you are confusing Schmidt and Steege. Steege is obviously not a post because he is the smallest player in the conference. By the way, how old is little Kuenstling? I hear he has a pretty good frame for a high school kid.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on February 09, 2006, 07:00:10 PM
Steege is the point guard, so I am not sure what that has to do with him playing other teams with average posts. It is not all about stats either. Steege runs the show for Wartburg and is the best guard in the league. Coe is good but besides their two big guys, I don't see them getting another candidate when most of the time the league tries to get one player from each team. This year there are a lot of good players and lots very solid players. Guard wise no one has really put up huge numbers, so it is hard to say who could make it.  I could see a Luther or Dubque getting two guys on the all-conference teams even with their record. It has been done before when Cornell had an average record with three very good players in Ditch, McClanahan, and Fox. Simpson could also maybe get three as well. The top three teams in the league seem to have their two studs and then a bunch of very solid players, while lower teams have some very good players but not as much to go around them. Probably why they are the top three teams. Very interesting season and still a lot of ball to still be played.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 09, 2006, 07:27:48 PM
Hawk Sighting is doing his best to show how much he knows about all the players in the conference that don't go to Coe. He was just clarifying for everyone that no matter what position Steege plays, he is not the best Big Man in the conference :D. Come on people-this guy is trying to help you all out in making your decision for MVP.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Droppin Bombs on February 09, 2006, 09:58:33 PM
First of all I would like to ask Hawk who he is talking about from Coe that is so great off the bench?  I can see Brungard, but even he's been struggling lately, who else is so great off the bench?  The majority of the minutes at guard are now split between brun, axdahl, and hanna.  The only time posts play and contribute to the game is when Kilburg and Kuenstling get extremely tired or are in foul trouble.  DeShaw hardly comes out of the game.  For Kuenstling's little brother the rumor is that he's a stud and is just as big as kyle maybe bigger.  I hear there are much larger schools then D3 looking at him, including D1 schools.  Even though the 7th man off the bench at Coe may not be the best, Kehe is a very good basketball player and I think that his skills are comparable non only to the others that play off the bench but a lot of the kids that don't even take their practice gear off.

PS

You know what I've got for Person

And I also got another question, why are so many people talking about Coe now?  Is everyone saying that it is safe to put Wartburg out of the picture?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 09, 2006, 10:09:52 PM
Quote from: Droppin Bombs on February 09, 2006, 09:58:33 PM
And I also got another question, why are so many people talking about Coe now?  Is everyone saying that it is safe to put Wartburg out of the picture?

Not at all, Coe has a very tough game at Loras friday night.  The Wart could be in charge day after tomorrow.  Regardless, this has been a fine year to be a Kohawk.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 09, 2006, 10:29:01 PM
Quote from: Droppin Bombs on February 09, 2006, 09:58:33 PM
Is everyone saying that it is safe to put Wartburg out of the picture?

Doubt it.  With the expanded NCAA tourney this year, I think the IIAC is at least a two-bid league.  Unless either has a collossal stumble between now and Feb. 25, I think both teams make it.

The one thing about Coe that surprises me is how little zone they see.  Maybe its just me, but I'd think a good way to stop a team with good posts and average guards is to slap a 2-3 or 1-3-1 on them.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on February 09, 2006, 10:47:40 PM
I do remember a time not long ago the WBurg faithful was on here asking "where have all the fans from other schools besides wartburg gone?". maybe it was dave devine and his incredible insight, can't really remember. But I think its safe to say that when your team is one of the leaders in the conference more people talk about them, as opposed to a bottom dweller. With Coe's recent athletic success that would be a helluva theory to disprove
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 09, 2006, 10:51:03 PM
I found this statistical comparison of Kuenstling, Kilburg and Steege quite telling.

Scoring - #4 Kilburg 16.3 ppg, #5 Steege 15.9 ppg, #6 Kuenstling 15.7 ppg

Rebounding - #2 Kuenstling 7.0/g, #7 Kilburg 5.9/g, ?? Steege 2.9/g

Field Goal pct. - #2 Kilburg .594, #3 Kuenstling .576, ?? Steege .413

Assists - #3 Steege 4.27/g, #6 Kuenstling 3.81/g, ?? Kilburg 0.9/g

Free Throw pct - #2 Steege .858, ?? Kuenstling .713, ?? Kilburg .634

Steals - #14 Steege 1.23/g, ?? Kuenstling 0.43/g, ?? Kilburg 0.43/g

3-Point FG Made - #5 Steege 2.23/g, ?? Kuenstling 0.81/g, ?? Kilburg 0

Blocked Shots - #2 Kuenstling 1.19/g, #12 Kilburg 0.48/g, ?? Steege 0

Assist/Turnover Ratio - #5 Steege 1.54, #9 Kuenstling 1.08, ?? Kilburg 0.5

Offensive Rebounds - #3 Kilburg 2.00/g, #5 Kuenstling 1.90/g, ?? Steege 0.23/g

Defensive Rebounds - #2 Kuenstling 5.05/g, #11 Kilburg 3.90/g, ?? Steege 2.68/g

Minutes Played - #10 Kuenstling 29.76/g, #14 Steege 27.77/g, ?? Kilburg 23.48/g

As a guard, I wouldn't expect Steege to get many rebounds or block many shots, and he doesn't.

As a post, I wouldn't expect Kuenstling to have many assists, yet he ranks 6th in the conference in that category.

That, in my opinion, makes Kuenstling the favorite for MVP.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2006, 05:34:47 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 09, 2006, 10:29:01 PMDoubt it.  With the expanded NCAA tourney this year, I think the IIAC is at least a two-bid league.  Unless either has a collossal stumble between now and Feb. 25, I think both teams make it.

Don't count your chickens before they've hatched. The only reliable indicator as to the current status of Pool C possibilities is the regional rankings. The first rankings came out on Wednesday, and only one IIAC team was ranked in the West Region: Wartburg (fifth out of eight teams ranked). Coe has a very fine 12-4 regional record, but their Quality Of Wins Index of 9.400 is only good for 64th place in the nation.

In other words, Coe's strength of schedule isn't very good. Over half of the teams in the IIAC have losing regional records, and of the three in-region non-conference games that Coe's played against teams that have winning regional records (UW-LaCrosse, Augustana, and Clarke) the Kohawks lost two of them. On the 0-to-15 scale by which QOWI is measured, Coe only has one game that rates as much as a 14 (their win over Wartburg). Their win at Simpson was worth 13 QOWI points, and their home wins over Loras and Clarke were each worth 12. Nothing else rates higher than an 11 for Coe, and the best teams in the land have QOWIs that average 11 or higher.

The IIAC's best bet for two teams in the dance is probably for Wartburg to run the table until the IIAC tournament championship game, and then for the Knights to lose that game to a team (not necessarily Coe) that would thereby claim the league's Pool A bid. Wartburg would then be sitting pretty to get a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 10, 2006, 07:36:52 AM
I think it is reasonable that a team like Coe has to play their way in via a pool A bid this year.  If they don't win the pool A bid then they cannot expect to make the tournament.  That being said, I think Coe has as good a chance of  winning the IIAC tournament as any team.  Especially if they get home court advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on February 10, 2006, 09:31:26 AM
I would first like to take my foot out of my mouth!!!!  While typing I was thinking about last years MVP and for some idiotic reason not putting two and two together.  I know a lot about the conference having played in it, but my opinion still stays with Kyle.  I do apologize to the many that caught my mistype.  But as Charlie showed with the stats my choice is still valid, minus the stupid remarks about posts earlier.  Best of luck to everyone this weekend!!  This weekend will really put the period on the season!! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 10, 2006, 12:53:34 PM
Gregory Sager is right, almost the only thing that matters is regional rankings.  If Coe wins the conference tournament the IIAC will get two teams, if Wartburg wins it we only get one.  Coe might be well respected within the conference this year, but they aren't nationally and the IIAC has, for the most part, been viewed as a weak conference by the rest of the nation.  On that note, Wartburg will win the conference tournament.  It will be just like last year was with BV and Wartburg.  Wartburg won the regular season, but deep down everyone still knew BV was the team to beat.  It's hard to win the regular season as a heavy favorite because every night you have a huge target on your back.  This year Wartburg was that team.  I guarantee teams were more jacked up playing Wartburg than they were Coe because you want to beat the defending champs.  At BV we saw everybody's best last year from Wartburg all the way down to Cornell.  Once conference tournament time rolls around everyone starts out at the same level and I know Wartburg will be much more focused, especially Schmidt who will start playing like it means something again.  Experience is absolutely huge in a conference tournament, the games are nothing like regular season, you know you have to play your best or you go home.  Most of the guys on this Wartburg team have seen two or three conference championship games already while Coe's roster is dominated by younger players.  Coe's year will be next year, because I don't see these Wartburg seniors settling for going out with anything less than a conference tourny championship.  I can see all the Coe fans hate posts flowing in already.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 10, 2006, 09:14:07 PM
For some reason, I think Wartburg may be the only team in the post season for the IIAC year.

However, I don't believe there's a player on the BV squad that has ever lost a conference tournament game.  This year they'll probably only have the first game at home and then have to battle through on the road...which will be a change of pace.  But if Wagner, Joekel, and Bissen are hitting the 3's, watch out!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 10, 2006, 10:44:24 PM
I take back all those bad things I ever said about Loras...

DUHAWKS BEAT COE TONIGHT!!!!

Well, maybe not all the bad things.

Sounds like Loras played a 3-2 zone and made Coe shoot something like 40 3 Pointers.  Still haven't heard a final score on the Loras broadcast, but Loras wins.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 10, 2006, 11:18:38 PM
OK, so I've got the low-down on the #1 seed tiebreaker from IIAC Director of Information Wil Wolper.  Here's how it breaks down if Wartburg and Coe finish with identical IIAC records...

-  First off, they are regular season co-champions.  Means little other than bragging rights, banners, and points in the all-sports standings.

-  Tie breaker is record against the top teams in the IIAC.  For example, if Loras finishes 3rd, Wartburg and Coe both have 1-1 records against Loras.  So the tiebreaker goes to the 4th place team (probably Simpson).  Assuming both teams win out, both teams would be 2-0 against Simpson, so it goes down to BV.  Wartburg would be 2-0 against BV, where Coe would only by 1-1, so Wartburg gets the #1 seed. 

-  Basically, for Wartburg to win the #1 seed, they need to win out and need BV to stay ahead of Luther in the IIAC standings.  Without knowing tonight's scores, BV (6-6) is one game up on Luther (5-7).  Wartburg still has to play BV, and Coe has to go to Luther.  If both BV and Luther win out except for those games, BV will stay up and Wartburg wins the #1 seed.  In other words, that BV-Luther game in Decorah tomorrow night is VERY important.

-  If it would happen that the record tiebreaker goes all the way through the standings without determining a winner, it goes to a coin flip.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 11, 2006, 12:32:39 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 10, 2006, 10:44:24 PM
Sounds like Loras played a 3-2 zone and made Coe shoot something like 40 3 Pointers.

44 to be exact, and only 14 of them were successful. Lot's of factors were at play, but none mattered more than Coe not hitting their shots. But I did get to meet coocoo tonight, so it wasn't a complete loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 11, 2006, 12:47:50 AM
It was great to finally meet Charlie tonight.  It's great to watch basketball with knowledgeable fans, and I thank Charlie for his insight.  Enjoyed seeing my fraternity brother DD who played for the Kohawks from 88-92.  Thought I also saw two other alums in the crowd.  Great support from the Kohawk faithful tonight, good size Coe crowd.  As far as the game went, the Kohawks needed more defensive stops.  I think Loras answered at least half of Coe's three's with one of their own.  We'll see how the Kohawks answer the bell tomorrow, and the rest of the season.  It is definately gut check time.  My money is on Kilburg to answer the bell.

Thanks sportsknight for the info on the tie breaker.  Lot of basketball to be played before the tie break comes into play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 11, 2006, 12:58:32 AM
All BV posters, please identify yourselves. I want to send you good karma every 18 hours between now and Wednesday. Show's already in.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 11, 2006, 09:31:23 AM
Thanks Charlie, we'll see if it pays off... :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on February 11, 2006, 01:33:09 PM
Wow - Kuenstling put up some serious MVP numbers against Loras last night who has suspect big men to say the least.  A whopping seven points?  Are you kidding me? And i saw him play at wartburg and he had under ten points that game too.  You guys can call him MVP if you want, but MVPs step up in big games, like my man steege.  He is more important to his team than any other player in the conference, I don't know how anyone can see that.  Furthermore, to whoever said that steege was overrated.... overrated players always end up in the top three of the all- time scoring list, right?  Come on, all you guys are out of your tree. 

Steege is
1)the most important to his team
2)plays the hardest of anyone
3)is the best player in the conference
4)has been Wartburg's MVP the last two years
5)first team IIAC the last two years
6)Academic all region/ all american/ espn academic team
7)and He's a hell of a nice guy

That is quite a resume and I guarantee that no one else in the conference stacks up against him.  No comparison. 

Congrats to Wartburg on the coe loss. Gotta defend that title from last year.  On the other hand, thats a real bummer for coe, they could have locked up the conference but they laid an egg on the road which is exactly where the conference is won and lost.

Last but not least, the last game in Knights gym is coming up and I will hate to see that place go,  lots of great teams, players, coaches, fans, and memories inside the "snake pit."

pdmcgee

p.s.  STEEGE FOR MVP!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on February 11, 2006, 01:35:24 PM
CORRECTION:

On my initial message when I was talking about steege meaning more to his team than any one I meant how CAN'T anyone see that.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 11, 2006, 01:59:41 PM
Quote from: pdmcgee on February 11, 2006, 01:33:09 PM

Congrats to Wartburg on the coe loss. Gotta defend that title from last year.  On the other hand, thats a real bummer for coe, they could have locked up the conference but they laid an egg on the road which is exactly where the conference is won and lost.


Sounds like you are guaranteeing a win at B.V.  Good luck.  It ain't gonna be a cake walk.  As far as the road loss, Loras made 52% from beyond the arc.  Here is a guarantee I will make you, Mr. PDMcgee, if Buena Vista puts up that number the Wart will not be victorious. 

On a side note.  I can't figure out if I liked Loras' gym or not.  It is definately quaint, but with only 875 in attendence it looked pretty full. 

As far as mvp from Coe, I like Kilburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 11, 2006, 02:47:36 PM
I know a lot of guys don't like Loras' gym, but I personally love it.  It is the ultimate homecourt advantage, because you don't need many people in there to get it loud as hell.  I'd say that gym and Wartburg's were my favorite to play in, and Wartburg's is leaving after this season and I've got to imagine Loras' won't last much longer, though they did just get that new floor a couple of years ago.

As for the Wartburg-BV game, Wartburg is going to have their hands full, BV is great at home and I know it would make VH and crew's season a little sweeter to prevent Wartburg from winning back to back conference championships.  But we still have to wait on that one, there are still other games yet to be played.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 11, 2006, 11:57:10 PM
Judging from the boxscore, I'm glad I didn't make the trip to Pella this afternoon. Did Kuenstling really commit a foul on the rebound of a missed free throw with a one point lead and two seconds on the clock?! That'll silence the MVP debate and probably secures the #1 seed for Wartburg. The Kohawks have to regroup for Wednesday's trip to Decorah or they can kiss the first-round bye good bye. Gut check time fellas.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 12, 2006, 08:30:36 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 11, 2006, 11:57:10 PM
Judging from the boxscore, I'm glad I didn't make the trip to Pella this afternoon. Did Kuenstling really commit a foul on the rebound of a missed free throw with a one point lead and two seconds on the clock?! That'll silence the MVP debate and probably secures the #1 seed for Wartburg. The Kohawks have to regroup for Wednesday's trip to Decorah or they can kiss the first-round bye good bye. Gut check time fellas.

I couldn't believe that when I read the box score either.  He missed two free throws and then commited a foul to send Central down to make their two free throws.  Coe's youth is starting to show.

" The Wheels on the Bus start coming off, coming off, coming off. The Wheels on the Bus..."

Game situations, man, you gotta know the game situation. 

Rob Hanna looked great at Loras, by the way, and seems to have followed it up at the Central game, but Axdahl and Deshaw, as seniors need to step it up and hit the three.  They combined for 3-10 shooting from beyond the arc.  Senior leadership is key.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 12, 2006, 02:28:17 PM
My how one week changes things-  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 12, 2006, 02:59:21 PM
For my own curiosity and those out there who think the Knights may have a rough go of it next year losing Steege, Schmidt, and Cartmill.

In the Peth regime (as far back as the stats go for it-00-01)
00'01
Knights go 24-4 winning IIAC title (fun year and a particularily fun night when both indoor track teams, both basketball teams, and the wrestling team all won conf. titles on the same day)
Morrison, conf MVP Osterhaus, Meeks, Fassler,Hotz, Leary, and Schuster are gone for the next year, representing 59.9% of the scoring.
01-02-Knights go 20-8
02-03-Knights go 21-7
Lose Pipho, Olsen, Schuknecht, and Recker for the next year representing 54.5% of scoring
03-04-Knights go 20-8
04-05-23-5
05-06 ???
Knights will lose Steege, Schmidt, Cartmill, and Peterson next year representing 57% of the team's scoring.
Judging by what Peth has done in the past, I don't see any reason to think the Knights won't be right in the thick of the race again next year,probably around the 20-8 range.
Peth is no stranger to having to replace over half his scoring. He's done a good job of not leaving the cupboard bare.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 13, 2006, 07:43:40 AM
How about some chatter about who is going to make the IIAC tournament.  Simpson,
Luther,
Dubuque. 

I'm rooting for Dubuque, they have so little to cheer about these days.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 13, 2006, 09:16:58 AM
What the hell happened to Luther?? Who was teh guy boasting about Luther earlier this year?? Did they have injuries, or did the lack of offense catch up to them? I'll say UD makes the tournament, they have 2 winnable road games  games left. They can finish 8-8..and if they get hot, they can pull an upset (when I say hot, I mean Nick and Tyler have 20 point games, and one of the post players have 15 or so
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 13, 2006, 01:56:23 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 13, 2006, 07:43:40 AM
How about some chatter about who is going to make the IIAC tournament.

Everyone makes it except Cornell, just like last year...

Unless they changed it to only six teams making the tournament, which I was unaware of.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 13, 2006, 02:07:13 PM
Yep, top six get in. Top two get a bye. #3 and #4 host #5 and #6.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 13, 2006, 03:38:41 PM
IIAC made that change over the summer so that all conference tournaments are now the same.  Before basketball and volleyball were the only sports with 8 team tourneys.  However, it doesn't seem like the conference did a great job of announcing that change.  Most people I've talked to didn't know about it until last week.

Charlie, I could be wrong but I assume that #4 hosts #5 and #3 hosts #6.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 13, 2006, 11:12:35 PM
Thanks for the info guys.

I'll guess that Wartburg (#1) and Coe (#2) get the byes.

Loras (#3) hosts Dubuque (#6)

Buena Vista (#4) hosts Simpson (#5)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 13, 2006, 11:52:48 PM
I know we don't have a whole lot of Simpson folks on here, but I was just wondering if anyone knew anything about Soppe's status for the conference tourney.  I had heard before that they expected him to be back for it, but that was about a month ago.  They could be a pretty dangerous team when he gets back.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 14, 2006, 12:15:06 AM
Consider this scenario:

Bus weary Wartburg falls at BV and beats Cornell to finish 12-4.
Coe wins out at Luther and vs. Simpson to finish 12-4.
Coe earns the #1 seed by virtue of two wins over Luther to Wartburg's one.

Loras wins out over Cornell and Luther to finish 11-5 and gets the #3 seed.
BV wins out over Wartburg and Dubuque to finish 10-6 and gets the #4 seed.
Simpson beats Dubuque but loses to Coe to finish 8-8 and #5.
Dubuque and Luther both lose out and one of them gets the #6 seed.

First round --
Dubuque/Luther at Loras -- Loras wins
Simpson at BV -- BV wins

Second round --
BV at Coe -- Coe wins
Loras at Wartburg -- Wartburg wins

Championship --
Wartburg at Coe in an unbelievable final at Eby Fieldhouse.

It could happen!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 14, 2006, 08:44:07 AM
The new Middle Blocker for the Knights Volleyball team, class of 2028, from Ankeny.
Measuring in at 20 inches tall and 7 pounds, 15 ounces-ADDISON FAITH POLLOCK-born last night at 8:24.
Special thanks to former Knight great Dan Schuknecht for taking my wife to the hospital when her water broke and I was in Cedar Falls.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 14, 2006, 08:55:39 AM
CONGRATULATIONS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 14, 2006, 08:57:07 AM
UD wins 2 games in the conference tournament this year...they can take Loras at Loras and squeak out a close one at Wartburg?? Come on, maybe???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 14, 2006, 10:51:13 AM
Quote from: keith45 on February 14, 2006, 08:57:07 AM
UD wins 2 games in the conference tournament this year...they can take Loras at Loras and squeak out a close one at Wartburg?? Come on, maybe???

I'd love to see that.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 14, 2006, 11:05:43 AM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 14, 2006, 08:44:07 AM
The new Middle Blocker for the Knights Volleyball team, class of 2028, from Ankeny.
Measuring in at 20 inches tall and 7 pounds, 15 ounces-ADDISON FAITH POLLOCK-born last night at 8:24.
Special thanks to former Knight great Dan Schuknecht for taking my wife to the hospital when her water broke and I was in Cedar Falls.

Congratulations Walston!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 14, 2006, 11:11:25 AM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 14, 2006, 10:51:13 AM
Quote from: keith45 on February 14, 2006, 08:57:07 AM
UD wins 2 games in the conference tournament this year...they can take Loras at Loras and squeak out a close one at Wartburg?? Come on, maybe???

I'd love to see that.

UD and Loras split this year, each winning on the road... anything is possible
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 14, 2006, 11:18:09 AM
Quote from: keith45 on February 14, 2006, 08:57:07 AM
UD wins 2 games in the conference tournament this year...they can take Loras at Loras and squeak out a close one at Wartburg?? Come on, maybe???

Sure, then BV beats Dubuque for the conference championship!   ;D  I love it when a plan comes together.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 14, 2006, 11:19:18 AM
LOLOLOLOL

damn A Team fans!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on February 14, 2006, 11:59:51 AM
My guess is Soppe is done for the year.  From what I heard it was a pretty bad break.  But who knows for sure....crazier things have happened.  Pretty obvious that even w/ solid perimeter players (Hittenmiller a shoe in for 1st team, and Parkinson who has struggled shooting as of late) it is hard to win w/out some kind of post presence.  Losing Soppe cost the Storm at least 2 spots in the tourney.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 14, 2006, 12:21:23 PM
Impressive Keith...wasn't sure if anyone would pick up on that!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 14, 2006, 08:32:14 PM
Mighty impressive run for Wartburg.  Walston's own curiousity got me thinking about BV's run during Van Haaften's tenure and their recent win streaks that ended (over Central and Dubuque, ouch!).

Up until this year, BV has had good returning talent each year and posted records of 27-2, 21-6, 23-6, 27-4, 24-5 and 26-4, going to the NCAA five of six years and posting 200 wins in nine years.  They lose essentially their entire offense from last year and have posted a 10-13 record thus far, liikely ending their six year streak of 20+ wins.  On the positive side, they are playing well of late and are now 8-6 in the league.

While they did lose to Central and UD earlier this year, it got me thinking about the win streaks and W/L head to head over IIAC opponents during VH's tenure:
Central:  20-4, winning 17 in a row before recent loss
Dubuque:  18-1, winning 18 in a row before recent OT loss
Loras:  19-3, winning 14 of last 16
Luther: 18-4, winning 15 of last 17
Simpson: 16-5, winning 10 of last 11
Wartburg: 19-7, winning 7 of last 9
Coe: 16-5, winning 14 of last 16
Cornell: 15-3, winning last 4
Upper Iowa: 11-4, winning 7 of last 8
William Penn: 10-0

In total, BV is 162-36, or 81.8%, in the conference and 210-65, or 76.4%, overall.  Mighty impressive and the future looks bright as well.  Best of luck to the Beavers this week and the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 15, 2006, 01:26:30 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 14, 2006, 12:15:06 AM
Consider this scenario:

Coe earns the #1 seed by virtue of two wins over Luther to Wartburg's one.


Not trying to be a party pisser, but what is the tie breaker between Coe and Loras.  I mean if the ship doesn't get righted that may be what we are faced with.  I don't see Loras losing again.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 15, 2006, 04:13:37 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 14, 2006, 12:21:23 PM
Impressive Keith...wasn't sure if anyone would pick up on that!

I pity the fool who wouldn't pick up on that.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 15, 2006, 08:37:54 AM
 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 15, 2006, 09:58:57 AM
LOLOLOLOL

Also (more for Pat and Greg S.)..Nick Thomas was featured in a national basketball magazine (Slam) this year..can D3hoops give some pub on that? its a magazine usually dedicated to NBA, D1 hoops, and big time hs stars

So there are 3 A team fans out here, huh?? Kinda scary!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 15, 2006, 10:21:10 AM
Coe coach Pat Juckem featured in the Appleton, Wis., Post Crescent:

Denis Dougherty's Sports Buzz: Juckem coaching with a heavy heart

When he became men's basketball coach at Coe College last year, Pat Juckem knew there would be some emotional ups and downs on the court.

There always are in coaching. What he has encountered off the court with his youngest son is something he wasn't prepared for.

About a week after accepting the job at the Cedar Rapids, Iowa, school, the 1991 Chilton High School graduate and former Lawrence University basketball player and assistant coach was returning to the Fox Valley when he received a call from his wife, Elissa.

"She told me they found the defect on an ultrasound," Juckem said. "I was numb. A million thoughts going through your head. How are we going to handle this, how bad is it, et cetera."

Gavin Juckem is nearly six months old and is scheduled to have his second surgery Feb. 23. Gavin was essentially born without a right ventricle, which is responsible for pumping blood from the heart to the lungs, and with a very narrow aorta, which restricted blood flow from the heart to other parts of the body.

"Gavin will undergo a minimum of three surgeries," Juckem said. "The first was done at one week of age, a very high-risk open-heart surgery. The third will occur around 2 years of age. It is a three-step process of re-doing Gavin's heart plumbing. After the third surgery, Gavin's left ventricle will be doing the work that both ventricles would do in a normal heart."

Juckem said basketball has served as a nice distraction at times. In his first season with the Kohawks after spending the previous six seasons at LU, he has Coe in contention for its first conference title in 30 years. The Kohawks (17-6 overall, 10-4 in the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference) lost both games last weekend to fall out of first place, but are alone in second and trail Wartburg by one game with two to play before the IIAC Tournament. The winner of the conference tournament receives a bid to the NCAA Division III Tournament.

"This is a sophomore-dominated team," said Juckem, who said he benefits greatly from working with highly successful LU coach John Tharp. "We have young players, but they have experience. We're very aggressive on offense and defense, and look to attack full court.

"(Tharp) has been a huge influence, not only philosophy, but how to do things the right way. I had one of the best seats in terms of soaking up his knowledge and seeing how he handles players."

Juckem is showing he can handle a situation far more pressing than anything he could face on a basketball floor.

"We are very fortunate to be 30 minutes from the University of Iowa research hospital, one of the best in the U.S.," said Juckem, adding that Gavin's long-term prognosis is uncertain. "If all goes well, Gavin should be able to do age-appropriate things once the cold and flu season ends. Since birth we have not been allowed to take him out unless it has been to the hospital, nor are we able to have anyone come over, to protect him from getting sick.

"Elissa has been unbelievably strong throughout. She has taken on more than her fair share during the season as a result of my schedule. My mother, JoAnne, who lives in Chilton, moved in with us at the start of the basketball season. I don't think we would have been able to care for Gavin, (3-year-old) Emmett and survive the basketball season without her living with us. It has allowed us to have periods of normalcy during a really crazy time."

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mg-3434 on February 15, 2006, 10:55:47 AM
Nick Thomas is [i]out for the season [/i] broken bone in his left foot.
You heard it hear first
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 15, 2006, 11:34:42 AM
So much for Keith's plan
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 15, 2006, 12:19:33 PM
Quote from: mg-3434 on February 15, 2006, 10:55:47 AM
Nick Thomas is [i]out for the season [/i] broken bone in his left foot.
You heard it hear first

DAMN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
MG, call me, leave your work number..my cell broke, cant see anything
How did this happen?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 15, 2006, 12:26:16 PM
Wow.  I doubt I am the only person that picked up a lot of respect for Juckems after reading that article.  Some of my relatives have had children that didn't make it through some of their birth defects, so my thoughts are definitely with Coach as the surgery for his young son approaches.  On top of that, anyone that knows me knows that there is another, much more selfish, reason that I hope that little guy makes it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 15, 2006, 02:06:00 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 13, 2006, 11:12:35 PM
I'll guess that Wartburg (#1) and Coe (#2) get the byes.

Loras (#3) hosts Dubuque (#6)

Buena Vista (#4) hosts Simpson (#5)

After hearing the news on Thomas, insert Luther for Dubuque on the #6 seed...  Tough break for the Spartans (no pun intended).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 15, 2006, 02:22:04 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 15, 2006, 02:06:00 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 13, 2006, 11:12:35 PM
I'll guess that Wartburg (#1) and Coe (#2) get the byes.

Loras (#3) hosts Dubuque (#6)

Buena Vista (#4) hosts Simpson (#5)

After hearing the news on Thomas, insert Luther for Dubuque on the #6 seed...  Tough break for the Spartans (no pun intended).

Dont give up on us yet...we aren't playing top teams, we still have a chance to get in..
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 15, 2006, 07:44:47 PM
Both games are on the road and the last one all the way over in Storm Lake.

Assuming Luther and Dubuque tie...does Luther get the nod since they split with Wartburg?

Big game tonight for the Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 15, 2006, 08:53:18 PM
For those interested, I just found out BV's student TV station is streaming tonight's BV-Wartburg game.  The website is http://www.bvu.edu/streaming/athletics/

I've had it on for about 3 minutes now, and while the commentary leaves a LOT to be desired, it is video.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jc21 on February 15, 2006, 09:19:48 PM
Somebody please get the BV announcers a pronunciation guide.  Way to do your research guys....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 15, 2006, 09:39:45 PM
And they need to learn how to add and subtract...39-28...BV up 9....But trust me, the two kids are pretty much idiots, so it's expected.

And what is Schmidt's problem, he whines about everything and doesn't look like he's playing hard at all, that is not the same player from a year ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 15, 2006, 09:51:40 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 15, 2006, 10:21:10 AM
Coe coach Pat Juckem featured in the Appleton, Wis., Post Crescent:

"We are very fortunate to be 30 minutes from the University of Iowa research hospital, one of the best in the U.S.," said Juckem,

They are in good hands.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jc21 on February 15, 2006, 10:00:01 PM
Correct me if I'm mistaken, but is it not the announcing team's job to REPORT the game not predict it?  Tell us what's happening, not when Schmidt may or may not get a technical.  I understand that as students at BV they may be somewhat biased, but this goes beyond bias.  These are just two BV fans with microphones whining.  We all know that IIAC officials are nowhere near the best, but they make bad calls on BOTH ends.  These guys could learn a thing or two by listening to a broadcast on KWAR.... 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 15, 2006, 10:00:15 PM
Sounds like the refs are doing a pretty bad job both ways, so I'm not surprised to see a lot of arguing with the calls.  I'm not sure Schmidt is complaining as much as the announcers are saying.  Even if he is, Schmidt is showing more emotion and fire tonight than I've seen from him in a couple weeks.

And for the record, Steege is pronounced Steg-EE and Peth is said Paith.

Also, is it just me or would it be nice to see a graphic with the score on the screen at all times, rather than just going up arbitrarily throughout the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 15, 2006, 10:01:40 PM
Quote from: jc21 on February 15, 2006, 10:00:01 PM
  These guys could learn a thing or two by listening to a broadcast on KWAR.... 

Good to know I won't much competition if I want to get a job out in Western Iowa...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 15, 2006, 10:19:27 PM
The real radio announcer is a lot better, if there was a way to put him with the video it would be good, these guys are just morons.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 15, 2006, 10:42:04 PM
Beavers knock off the Knights in Storm Lake tonight.  Those extra karma points must have worked Charlie.

I was unimpressed with Schmidt, especially with his reactions to everything tonight. You can definitely tell Steege is the leader of that team.

It's tough to find a pair of guards quicker than Franklin and Wagner. The good news...they're only a soph. and fresh.

Is Wartburg capable of streaming video?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 15, 2006, 10:45:47 PM
Woohoo! Way to go Beavers. Those karma points were well worth it Show. Now if I could just get a Coe score.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 15, 2006, 10:54:27 PM
Coe wins 70-66! Driver's seat, yeah! Win at home against Simpson on Saturday and the #1 seed is ours. Way to go Kohawks! I don't have any details other than the score, but you definitely rose to the occassion getting a tough road win when it mattered most. Now you control your own destiny.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on February 15, 2006, 11:01:51 PM
Hawks win thriller last night, Kohawks in the driver's seat, and Wartburg getting beat-all within 26 hours. Who wants to go to Vegas??
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 15, 2006, 11:07:40 PM
I do PainTrain, but it'll have to wait until basketball season is over. I don't want to miss a single minute of action at Eby Fieldhouse. They may just blow the roof off of that barn.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on February 16, 2006, 07:20:40 AM
hey Charlie, school is cancelled for the day as well....I'm definitely booking my flight to Vegas ASAP! Let me know if you change your mind
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 16, 2006, 07:39:27 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 15, 2006, 11:07:40 PM
I don't want to miss a single minute of action at Eby Fieldhouse.

Me Neither!



Way to go Kohawks. 

Charlie, are you sure we have the upper hand, I thought they looked at the combined conference records of the teams they have lost to, and whoever lost to the better winning percentage wins the tie breaker. :-\

That would give the Wart the upper hand.

Could you go over how the tie break works again?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 16, 2006, 07:44:50 AM
 While we're at it, could someone also explain what the tie break is between Dubuque and Luther?

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 16, 2006, 10:57:59 AM
First tie-breaker is always head-to-head.  From there, it goes to records against each team in the conference, from the top of the conference to the bottom.  In the Wartburg-Coe situation, they split their regular season meetings, so it goes to the records.  Both teams split with Loras and BV, swept Simpson (assuming a Coe win Saturday) and Dubuque, but Wartburg lost to Luther while Coe swept the Norse, so Coe gets the tie-breaker.  This is a pretty good tie-breaker to use in mid-level ties, but in this situation it actually rewards Coe for losing to a worse team (Central).

As far as Dubuque and Luther go, Luther gets that tie-break by virtue of their win over Wartburg.  This will be the same regardless of if both DBQ and Luther win or lose on Saturday.  If one wins and the other loses, though, then the winning team gets the bid.  That's kind of obviously, but can still get lost in all this tie-breaker talk.

So, assuming the top four teams all win on Saturday (which is a pretty good bet), the seedings would break down like this:
1 - Coe
2 - Wartburg
3 - Loras
4 - BV
5 - Simpson
6 - Luther

Luther would play at Loras and Simpson at BV on Tuesday.  The Loras/Luther winner goes to Wartburg on Thursday, while the Simpson/BV winner head to Coe.  Winners of the semifinals play at the higher seed, which is another common misconception.  Just because Coe has the home-court, they won't play the games in CR if Coe loses somewhere along the way.

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 16, 2006, 12:36:14 PM
The Loras/BV tie breaker would fall all the way down to Simpson. BV swept Simpson while Loras split with them.

This, of course, only comes into play with a BV and Luther win.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 16, 2006, 01:31:29 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 16, 2006, 10:57:59 AM

Luther would play at Loras and Simpson at BV on Tuesday.  The Loras/Luther winner goes to Wartburg on Thursday, while the Simpson/BV winner head to Coe.  Winners of the semifinals play at the higher seed, which is another common misconception. 

What if B.V. and Luther win in the first round.  Does Luther, with the worst record go to Coe instead of B.V. or are the brackets firm?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 16, 2006, 01:38:19 PM
No matter how the conference tournament plays out now, I see the IIAC only getting one team no matter who wins the conference tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 16, 2006, 01:43:38 PM
Oh, and on another note, I think it's still safe to say that the best home court advantage lies within Storm Lake, Iowa.  The long road trip along with the Beaver Den make it tough to get a win in Siebens Fieldhouse.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 16, 2006, 02:49:28 PM
Brackets are firm, sites are not.

I would also think that Wartburg and Coe's recent losses have taken them out of at-large consideration.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 16, 2006, 05:04:09 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 16, 2006, 02:49:28 PM

I would also think that Wartburg and Coe's recent losses have taken them out of at-large consideration.

If you look at the regional rankings. The Wart looks just as good as St. Thomas, Carleton, LaCrosse, UW-W, and Stout.  Three of these teams are guaranteed one more loss.  I don't see much changing.

  Stout           16-4  19-5        (* denotes teams who Wartburg is currently ranked ahead of.)
*LaCrosse     17-6  19-6
*Whitewater  15-5  19-5           
*St. Thomas  18-5  20-5                 updated to include games on feb. 18
*Carleton      17-4  20-5

The Wart     17-4  19-5

I'd say The Wart gets in regardless of the IIAC tournament outcome.  Coe has had to win  the IIAC tournament ever since the loss to Wartburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 16, 2006, 07:12:36 PM
Have some people never paid any attention to the IIAC tourney before? Its been the same since I've been around in 99-2000. The only thing that's changed is the number of teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 18, 2006, 07:58:01 PM
Congratulations 2005-06 IIAC co-Champion and #1 seeded Coe Kohawks! Coe pulled out a 62-59 squeaker over a very game Simpson squad that played with a purpose. As has become the norm, the Storm played a zone and effectively neutralized Kilburg and Kuenstling. Fortunately, seniors Corey Deshaw and Brad Axdahl stepped up with big games to carry the Kohawks to victory.

It was a pretty disappointing crowd, given what was at stake, but I'm confident the Coe-Ko-Nuts will turn out in force Thursday night.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KohawkSideliner on February 18, 2006, 08:22:37 PM
Quarterfinals - Tuesday, Feb. 21
#6 Luther @ #3 Buena Vista  8:00 PM 
#5 Simpson @ #4 Loras  8:00 PM 

Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 23
Loras/Simpson winner  @ #1 Coe 7:00 PM 
Buena Vista/Luther winner @ #2 Wartburg 7:00 PM 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 18, 2006, 08:57:08 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 18, 2006, 07:58:01 PM
It was a pretty disappointing crowd, given what was at stake, but I'm confident the Coe-Ko-Nuts will turn out in force Thursday night.

     Where was everyone today?  Hope to see a packed gym thursday night.  Saw some more alumni around in the crowd.   
     Charlie, what are the start times for IIAC tournament games?  Trying to get some alumni to the tournament and need to tell them when to get there. 

COOCOO FOR THE COE CO-CHAMPS!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 18, 2006, 09:42:57 PM
Looks like Sideliner has the skinny. It's news to me. I was certain Coe would be facing BV, but I'm thrilled that they're in the Wartburg bracket instead. Thursday's tipoff will be 7 p.m. I don't know about Saturday yet, but I would lobby against a 4 p.m. start judging from today's turnout.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 18, 2006, 09:44:18 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 18, 2006, 08:57:08 PM
COOCOO FOR THE COE CO-CHAMPS!

That has a nice ring to it!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 18, 2006, 09:49:01 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 18, 2006, 09:42:57 PM
I don't know about Saturday yet, but I would lobby against a 4 p.m. start judging from today's turnout.

A six o'clock game on saturday, knock on wood, would get more alumni to the game.  Eight o'clock would be even better.  I think students would prefer an eight o'clock start.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 19, 2006, 11:51:33 AM
If the times are similar to years past, all games start at 7, unless there is a women's game with it, in which case the women's game start at 6 and the men's at 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 19, 2006, 09:57:51 PM
Tipoff for the IIAC tournament championship game at Eby Fieldhouse, assuming everything goes according to plan, will be 7 p.m. Saturday. If Wartburg is the opponent, I suggest arriving plenty early as the gym is going to be full.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 20, 2006, 11:49:09 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 18, 2006, 09:42:57 PM
I was certain Coe would be facing BV, but I'm thrilled that they're in the Wartburg bracket instead.

BV has been playing well as of late.  Given VH's track record in the IIAC conference tournament thus far, I don't know of too many teams that would be excited to play them.

The BV/Luther game could be an interesting first round matchup.  Both teams won handily on the road during the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Flip the Red Bird on February 20, 2006, 06:27:38 PM
Luther will beat BV this time and then it's off to beat on the WARTS!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrAzYkNiGhT on February 20, 2006, 09:09:53 PM
best week of the year........basketball at its best, what more could you want??
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 20, 2006, 11:56:54 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 14, 2006, 12:15:06 AM
Consider this scenario:

Bus weary Wartburg falls at BV and beats Cornell to finish 12-4.
Coe wins out at Luther and vs. Simpson to finish 12-4.
Coe earns the #1 seed by virtue of two wins over Luther to Wartburg's one.

Loras wins out over Cornell and Luther to finish 11-5 and gets the #3 seed.
BV wins out over Wartburg and Dubuque to finish 10-6 and gets the #4 seed.
Simpson beats Dubuque but loses to Coe to finish 8-8 and #5.
Dubuque and Luther both lose out and one of them gets the #6 seed.

Hate to toot my own horn, but seven out of eight is pretty good. I only missed on the Loras-Luther game, which actually may have worked to Coe's advantage. Let's see how I do in the playoffs.

First round --
Luther at BV -- BV wins
Simpson at Loras -- Loras wins

Second round --
BV at Wartburg -- Wartburg wins
Loras at Coe -- Coe wins

Championship --
Wartburg at Coe in a much-anticipated final at Eby Fieldhouse.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CrAzYkNiGhT on February 21, 2006, 08:56:18 AM
Tuesday 2/21
Luther At Buena Vista

Simpson At Loras

   Gonna go w/ 2 upsets, Luther winning at BV again and Simpson wants another shot at Coe

Thursday 2/23

Luther At Wartburg

Simpson At Coe

   As everyone wants and expects, Wartburg at Coe, A showdown at Eby Saturday Night

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 21, 2006, 10:24:29 AM
BV has been playing too well as of late to lose their only home game of the conference tourny.

Simpson should have beat Wartburg last year on the road in the first round.

So I'll take the Beavers and the Storm tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on February 21, 2006, 04:14:24 PM
show-

simpson should have won at wartburg in the first round, but they didn't.  They scored 3 points in 9 minutes against a zone .... I still think that is funny.  Their coach is so easy to figure out and he is so predictable, he needs to go.  i wouldn't take simpson against loras, big mistake.

First Round:
BV over Luther
Loras over simpson

Second Round:
Wartburg over BV
Coe over Loras

Championship:
Wartburg over Coe in a barn burner Eby

Warburg will pull it out like the champions they are.  Two championships in a row.  Way to go boys, now get to the dance!!

March Madness is starting again and I can't be more excited to see some quality basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 21, 2006, 04:37:01 PM
I'll take the homers tonight.  BV and Loras to win and advance.

PS - There is a bus ride being organized for Saturday's Championship game.  It will load up in Waverly at 4:30 on Saturday and head for CR around 4:45.  Cost is $15 and seats are filling fast.  If either Wartburg or Coe loses before Saturday (doubtful but not outside the realm of possibility), the bus will be cancelled.  Let me know if you're interested.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 21, 2006, 05:32:16 PM
The way it sounds to me everyone seems to forget Wartburg and Coe have to each win tough games to advance.  One of the two won't make the finals, which, I don't know, but there has been way too much parity in the conference this year to assume all the favorites will win.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 21, 2006, 06:39:22 PM
Quote from: pdmcgee on February 21, 2006, 04:14:24 PM
simpson should have won at wartburg in the first round, but they didn't. They scored 3 points in 9 minutes against a zone .... I still think that is funny.

Didn't a freshman miss a dunk to win it?  That was the only thing I found amusing...

Quote from: balla_1982 on February 21, 2006, 05:32:16 PM
One of the two won't make the finals, which, I don't know, but there has been way too much parity in the conference this year to assume all the favorites will win.

Agreed.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 21, 2006, 11:37:33 PM
BV wins by 2 over Luther, 73-71.  Game looked like it was pretty back and forth, although the two teams scored a combined 0 points in the last 2:20.  Combined 0-6 from the field.  That's either really good defense or some shoddy execution with the game on the line.

Simpson over Loras 78-68 at the Fieldhouse.  Sounds like Loras made a big run at the end of the first half to lead by 7 at the break, but the Storm chipped away until they got into the lead, which they protected and extended with some good free throw shooting down the stretch.

Thursday's games:
#5 Simpson at #1 Coe, 7:00
#3 Buena Vista at #2 Wartburg, 7:00

I know BV had their live audio stream working tonight, and I'm sure Wartburg will have the same on Thursday.  As far as audio of the Simpson-Coe game, I have no idea.

PS - Good work to the Sports Info Depts. at Simpson and BV for getting game recaps and stats online tonight.  You'd be hard-pressed to find a stronger D3 conference, SID-wise, than the IIAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 21, 2006, 11:48:44 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 21, 2006, 11:37:33 PM
Good work to the Sports Info Depts. at Simpson and BV for getting game recaps and stats online tonight.  You'd be hard-pressed to find a stronger D3 conference, SID-wise, than the IIAC. 

I concur SportsKnight. I'd put Iowa Conference SIDs up against any conference in the nation.

As for Simpson-Coe radio, there will be none. However, you can access live play-by-play at www.coe.edu/athletics.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 22, 2006, 07:44:53 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 21, 2006, 11:37:33 PM

Simpson over Loras 78-68 at the Fieldhouse. 

I was afraid of that.  I think Simpson has a much better chance at beating Coe than Loras did.  They played the Kohawks well last Saturday.

Charlie, at the Simpson game one of the refs blew up at the Coe crowd and said, "Leave it alone."  Do you know what that was all about?  Did one of their players transfer from Coe to Simpson or something?  I thought the whole thing had something to do with #24.  What ever it was the crowd stopped right after the ref said something.

We are going to need a much bigger crowd on thursday than we had on saturday.

Go KOHAWKS!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Droppin Bombs on February 22, 2006, 12:47:36 PM
I don't know if you all know this but Loras actually beat Coe, so I don't know how you think that Simpson has a better chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 22, 2006, 03:01:12 PM
Quote from: Droppin Bombs on February 22, 2006, 12:47:36 PM
I don't know if you all know this but Loras actually beat Coe, so I don't know how you think that Simpson has a better chance.

   
     Simpson took a major blow losing their best player and have needed time to gel.  Simpson played Coe tough on Saturday, they are putting it all together now.
     The biggest reason I am worried about Simpson is that Simpson is the only team in the league that can say they beat one of the top four teams in the conference on the road.  Wartburg, B.V, Loras, and Coe cannot make that claim.  Simpson is getting better with each game.
     I also think Loras is much better at home than on the road.  When Loras beat Coe they shot 52% beyond the arc.  I doubt they would be able to do that at Eby. 
    We will never know if Loras could win at Eby, why, cause they lost to Simpson.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 22, 2006, 10:42:19 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 22, 2006, 07:44:53 AM
Charlie, at the Simpson game one of the refs blew up at the Coe crowd and said, "Leave it alone."  Do you know what that was all about?  Did one of their players transfer from Coe to Simpson or something?  I thought the whole thing had something to do with #24.  What ever it was the crowd stopped right after the ref said something.

I have no direct knowledge of this incident, but I suspect it may have involved the near altercation that occured when a Simpson player -- could have been #24 -- reacted after he thought a Coe player had thrown the ball at him when he was on the floor. Actually, the ball was batted back onto the court -- inadvertently hitting the player -- from the student section. Fortunately, cooler heads prevailed. Sounds like the official handled the situation well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 10:21:40 AM
I'm rooting for the upsets tonight so BV can host the championship game on Saturday, but have a feeling there will only be one tonight.

BV over Wartburg
We may need more than Charlie's karma points this time... Keeping Fogleman out of foul trouble will be the key.

Coe over Simpson
Although it's tough to beat a decent team three times in one season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on February 23, 2006, 01:51:12 PM
Show:

You may be right.  My Knights have been the Linda Lovelaces of IIAC basketball this season as they have choked on the big ones. 

It is likely this will be this last game played at the old barn.  I hope she goes out with a victory. 

The Wartburg web-site says demolition starts next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 23, 2006, 01:56:10 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 23, 2006, 10:21:40 AM
Coe over Simpson
Although it's tough to beat a decent team three times in one season.

I couldn't agree more.  Looking forward to tonight regardless of the outcome, but would prefer a Kohawk win.

GO KOHAWKS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 23, 2006, 02:02:32 PM
Quote from: warthog on February 23, 2006, 01:51:12 PM


You may be right.  My Knights have been the Linda Lovelaces of IIAC basketball this season as they have choked on the big ones. 


Ohhh!  That gets a +1 Karma.   Not so much the dig on Wartburg, but bringing a simile about Linda Lovelace into the chat room, bravo!

(Or is it a metaphor)

haven't used my english degree in a long time. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 08:45:02 PM
Anyone else unable to get Wartburg's live game audio to work from their website?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 08:48:00 PM
Tie game at Coe entering halftime.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 23, 2006, 09:01:53 PM
Coe/Simpson is tied at 36-36 at half.

BV up 43-37 on Warburg at half.

Should be an interesting second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:29:58 PM
BV is up 59-57 after Grimm hits a three....
Cartmill goes up for a shot...foul by Grimm (#2)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:32:41 PM
Cartmill pulls up for a jumper...Good -- All tied up, 59-59.
Foul on Gullickson -- Jesse Schmidt at the line
FT #1 -- Good
FT #2 -- Good, BV up, 61-59
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 09:33:14 PM
Simpson up 2 with 30 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:34:03 PM
Nate Schmidt hits a shot...AND one...61 all
FT -- Good, 62-61 Wartburg


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 09:34:41 PM
Thanks for the updates Lance...how much time is left?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 09:35:36 PM
68-67, Simpson with 19 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:37:04 PM
2:17 left

Jump Ball -- Arrow points to the Knights.

0:02 to shoot on the shot clock...Steege had a shot blocked.

Time out, Wartburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:38:03 PM
Steege gets a shot off, air ball.

1:40 left
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 09:38:14 PM
70-67, Simpson, 12 seconds left, Coe ball, Coe timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:39:17 PM
Francek gets fouled by Nate Schmidt...one-and-one

FT #1 -- Good
FT #2 -- Good, BV up, 63-62
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 09:39:30 PM
WOW! Coe hits a 3 to tie the game with 3 seconds left. Looks like overtime...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:40:12 PM
Cartmill misses a shot, BV gets the rebound.  38 seconds to play.

0:30 left.  BV full timeout, up by one.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 09:41:43 PM
Overtime at Coe.

I like their real time scoring feature on the web site.  Especially since my RealPlayer isn't getting the Wartburg or BV audio streaming to work. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:43:05 PM
Wagner gets fouled after BV gets two offensive rebound.  0:09 left.

FT #1 - Good
FT #2 - No Good
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:43:44 PM
0:06 left.  Time out, Wartburg.

BV up, 64-62.  Knights ball.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:45:08 PM
Schmidt tries a shot at the horn....No Good!!

BV wins!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 23, 2006, 09:45:42 PM
The last game ever at Knights Gym.  Good bye, old buddy.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 09:46:18 PM
I don't think you could have asked for two closer games tonight.

Coe's last 3 of 4 baskets have been 3's and it's keeping them in it.

Simpson 76, Coe 75 - 1:12 remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on February 23, 2006, 09:48:25 PM
Wish I were at both games, but instead I'm sitting at home....can't even make the finals Sat. night because of a stupid wedding. Who gets married the weekend of state wrestling and the IIAC bball finals anyway???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 09:48:59 PM
Coe takes the lead 77-76 with 22 seconds left.  Simpson's ball.  Simpson timeout.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on February 23, 2006, 09:51:19 PM
Kohawks WIN! I bet Eby is rockin. Simpson played some good ball here late in the season. Too bad Soppe wasn't around to help. Will Wartburg still get an invite to the dance now that they didn't even make the finals of their conf. tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 23, 2006, 09:52:22 PM
BV wins at Wartburg.  Big win, VH has really rallied the troops.  Good luck Saturday night at Coe.  7th straight year that BV will play in the conference championship!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2006, 09:53:15 PM
BV @ Coe for your IIAC Championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 23, 2006, 09:59:10 PM
Huge win for the Beavers.  It's official now, the IIAC only gets the winner of Saturday night's game.  Wartburg ends it's fifth consecutive season against the Beavers.  So much for all the Wartburg/Coe hype huh
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PainTrain on February 23, 2006, 10:06:44 PM
Rumor has it that Coe wins despite Coach Juckem not being able to attend tonight's game due to his son having surgery. My thoughts and prayers are definitely with him and his family (see Charlie's post from awhile back...)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 23, 2006, 10:39:36 PM
Speechless. Absolutely speechless. I saw it with my own eyes and I still don't believe it. If Axdahl had been any further out when he hit that 3 pointer, he would have been in the stands. Then on the other end he jumped about 20 feet in the air to block a shot. Amazing, gutty effort by the Kohawks tonight. Players and coaches talked to Juckem by cell phone after the game and his baby boy is reportedly doing fine. What a night!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 24, 2006, 12:02:53 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 23, 2006, 10:39:36 PM
Speechless. Absolutely speechless.  What a night!

ABSOLUTELY!!!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 24, 2006, 12:15:29 AM
My vote for Coach of the Year, while worthless, goes to Brian Van Haaften.  This team loses like 90% some odd of last year's offense, took their lumps early in the year with a tough schedule, but is playing as good as anybody in the conference come February winning their last six and qualifying for the conference championship game for the seventh straight year.

Sounds like BV's focus on keeping Steege out of sync, while sacrificing some looks for Schmidt, worked out again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 24, 2006, 08:41:18 AM
    I told my best friend, who also graduated from Coe, that I was excited to go to the game last night.  He told me he couldn't get excited about Coe's basketball team when his high school team was better.  Now, his point is true.  His high school on the south side of Chicago could beat the Kohawks.  Between football and basketball they have over twenty kids in the NBA or NFL, including super bowl victor  Antwan Randal El. 
    However, if you weren't jumping out of your seat all game and couldn't get excited during  that game then you have no business calling yourself a basketball fan.  That was division III sports at it's absolute best. 
   
    12 ties
    17 lead changes

    Also, if you did not shed a tear last night when you got home and watched Axdahl's interview on KCRG talking about coach Juckem and the love that teams has for him then you have no business calling yourself a Kohawk.
    The passion at Eby last night was oozing through the floor boards and I have never been more proud to call myself a Kohawk!!!!!

If you are a Coe fan you owe it to yourself to be their on saturday.

COOCOOFORCOEKOHAWKS!!!!!!!!


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iacopp on February 24, 2006, 09:32:26 AM
What a great game and great atmosphere at Eby Fieldhouse last night. I have to admit..,. as a fan of DIII basketball that this was one of the most exciting games I have seen in some time. It was a gutty effort by both teams! I did think that Coe got outcoached at times, but their athletes made up for that misgiving. I also have to say that it may have been one of the best officiated IA Conference games I have seen in quite some time as well. I can't say enough about how much fun it was to watch. I wish there could have been a bigger crowd from people in the area..., they definately missed out!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2006, 09:46:34 AM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 24, 2006, 08:41:18 AM
    I told my best friend, who also graduated from Coe, that I was excited to go to the game last night.  He told me he couldn't get excited about Coe's basketball team when his high school team was better.  Now, his point is true.  His high school on the south side of Chicago could beat the Kohawks.  Between football and basketball they have over twenty kids in the NBA or NFL, including super bowl victor  Antwan Randal El.

Your friend went to Thornton? It's actually in Harvey, a south suburb, rather than on Chicago's South Side. Thornton usually sends a couple of players per year on to full D1 rides, sometimes more, with a lot of other kids going D2 or to top jucos. They've got a senior named Joevon Catron who's going to Oregon next year who will most likely tear up the Pac-10. When Antwaan Randle El was there he was teammates with Napoleon Harris of the Minnesota Vikings and Melvin Ely of the Charlotte Bobcats. That Thornton team finished second in the state three years running.

However, it's a stretch to say that most Thornton teams would beat good D3 teams (I might make an exception for the Randle El/Harris/Ely teams from Thornton). I don't know where Coe stands in all this, but the fact remains that 16- and 17-year-olds don't have the physical and mental maturity of college players, nor do they have the discipline and the basketball savvy of a good D3 team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sc_stormchaser on February 24, 2006, 10:13:05 AM
sportsknight- I'm assuming WB students will receive a full $15 refund on their bus pass to CR for tomorrow night.  ;)

Was it just me, or did everyone know that WB was going to lose after announcing the presale on bus tickets?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 24, 2006, 10:34:24 AM
Quote from: iacopp on February 24, 2006, 09:32:26 AM
it may have been one of the best officiated IA Conference games I have seen in quite some time as well.

I agree iacopp. I was quite pleased with how the officials conducted themselves and that they didn't influence the outcome. I can't think of a single blown call and they seemed to call it the same at both ends of the court. Iowa Conference officiating is consistent only in its inconsistency, but the crew that worked the Coe-Simpson game was superb.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RBM on February 24, 2006, 10:46:09 AM
SC__Stormchaser.......I couldn't agree more.  The second that I saw Wartburg had already announced a pre-sale for bus/game tickets for the championship, I had a feeling that they were gonna lose.  This college basketball, conference tournament, kids potentially playing their last games ever........nothing is a given when those factors are mixed together.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 24, 2006, 12:25:39 PM
First of all, Wartburg the school had nothing to do with getting the bus together.  It was all the work of the "Knights Basketball 6th Man" a student group that wanted to see a big Wartburg crowd at the Championship game had Wartburg made it.

Secondly, one day would not be near enough time to reserve a charter bus for a trip like that.  The way it was, I got one of the last two buses Hawkeye Stages had available.  That was calling on Monday.  Had we waited till today, the odds of a bus being available would have been slim.

Third, if you want to believe in jinxes or whatever, that's fine.  But I highly doubt that our organizing a bus trip affected the Knights play one bit.  Give BV credit, the start they got off to and their advantage on the boards were probably what won them the game.  But the way the game was officiated didn't hurt the Beavers.  There are so many good refs in this league that if baffles me that the conference office would put two of the worse ones on the same crew for a conference tournament game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 24, 2006, 01:19:41 PM
The Knights out-rebounded the Beavers by 10.

I'd say the 3 for 21 shooting beyond the arc was the difference, compared to 13 of 23 the last time BV played at Wartburg.

the_apprentice hit the nail on the head...
Quote from: the_apprentice on February 24, 2006, 12:15:29 AM
Sounds like BV's focus on keeping Steege out of sync, while sacrificing some looks for Schmidt, worked out again. 

BV had 6 more fouls called on them and only 2 less turnovers than Wartburg.  I'm only going by the box score, but it doesn't appear that officiating was lopsided...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sc_stormchaser on February 24, 2006, 01:21:22 PM
First, take a deep breathe...secondly, I was just messing with you...third, call the Beaver Den, maybe they'll take the bus off your hands.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 24, 2006, 01:23:49 PM
BV will need a similar perimeter defensive effort to have a chance at Coe on Saturday. Should be a great game!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 24, 2006, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2006, 09:46:34 AM
I don't know where Coe stands in all this, but the fact remains that 16- and 17-year-olds don't have the physical and mental maturity of college players, nor do they have the discipline and the basketball savvy of a good D3 team.

Your point is taken, I just wanted to let my fellow alumni know it was exciting to be in Eby last night.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on February 24, 2006, 04:18:15 PM
Sounds like some great games.  The way BV has finished the year is a true testament to VH.  I told some people that I wouldn't rule them out when the tourney started.  I'm going out a limb, and saying another year w/ the Beavers in the tourney.  They will win a close one Saturday and earn another trip. 

This raises a very valid question:  Is the conference as a whole any better than it has ever been? or is it a sign that all teams are weaker that an inexperienced BV team can possibly win the title? 

I know past BV teams have competed nationally much better and were 'better' teams....by far..  But at the end of the year they could still be the conference representative.....  good sign for the conference or not??

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 24, 2006, 04:42:00 PM
Quote from: The Show on December 20, 2005, 10:32:25 AM
I'm not going to say they'll win the regular season conference, but they're going to send quite a few teams home in the conference tournament. Give the young squad a season of playing together on the court, plus seeing each team twice...throw in VH's coaching and these guys will make some noise.

Dare I say genius? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 24, 2006, 08:48:22 PM
OK, I just went through the big list and I found this:

--2 teams have already qualified for the tournament
--100 teams have a regional win % of .667 or above
--An additional 44 teams belong to Pool A/C conferences and are still alive in their conference tournaments (as of this writing)

So, that's a grand total of 146 teams that still have a reasonable shot at the big dance.  That number is going to get whittled down to 59.

I'm not totally pessimistic about Wartburg's chances.  Keep in mind, I think they had the same number of regional losses last year.  However, this time around, Wartburg didn't make it to the conference finals, and they also struggle down the stretch.  It's going be interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 24, 2006, 11:43:17 PM
Lance, what color is the sky in your world? Orange? Reality check time -- Wartburg is not going to the dance.

Sportsknight, why did you cancel the bus? Knight fans obviously know quality basketball. I think they would have enjoyed tomorrow night's demonstration in Cedar Rapids. BV and Coe will put on a great show.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 25, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
There is no way Wartburg gets into the tournament this year.  They had a better chance last year when there were fewer teams in the tournament.  As for BV, the one thing they do, and do extremely well, is play defense and rebound.  If you do those two things you're going to be in every single game.  The slow start is attributed to the younger guys getting used to VH's style on defense and buying into the defense first mentality.  It takes some time getting used to, but once you get it down you are going to win games.  So as far as the question about the conference being weaker or what not, it comes down to the fact that BV just plays better all around basketball.  I think most would agree BV doesn't have the most talent in the league this year, but they play the best basketball when it comes down to fundamentals and defensive execution.

So as for tonight...I'm picking BV.  VH will pack it in and not let Kilburg and Kuentsling beat him inside.  Coe has shown twice this year against the Beavers that they will throw up a million threes if you do so, and when it comes to conference tourny time, nerves kick in, especially with a young team like Coe, which makes it harder for shots to go down, therefore it will come down to the team that plays the best defense and I've got to believe that will be BV.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 25, 2006, 05:32:01 PM
Quote from: balla_1982 on February 25, 2006, 03:12:00 PM
Coe has shown twice this year against the Beavers that they will throw up a million threes if you do so, and when it comes to conference tourny time, nerves kick in, especially with a young team like Coe, which makes it harder for shots to go down,

I think Axdahl's two threes in the last twenty seconds of regulation against Simpson, the latter from 27 feet, and the fact that he and Deshaw are seniors dispels that myth. 


Go Kohawks!!!!! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 25, 2006, 08:13:49 PM
Can somebody post score updates?  Coe's website is having troubles loading.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 25, 2006, 10:40:44 PM
69-66 BV. Congratulations Beavers. I knew you'd pose problems in the playoffs. Congratulations also and especially to the Kohawks. You're hurting right now, but you can hold your heads high for all you accomplished this year. You've established Coe as an IIAC contender. I'd also like to throw a special shout out to the Coe students who demonstrated outstanding school spirit while still showing a lot of class. You've made Eby Fieldhouse a very difficult place for opponents to play. Let's do it again next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 26, 2006, 07:58:23 AM
Congratulations B.V.  and regardless of the outcome it was an exciting well played game.  The officiating was great.  Not once did I feel the refs impacted the game with the calls they made.  As for the Kohawks, you should be proud.  A twenty win season is a magnificent accomplishment especially in the first season of a head coach.  Be proud Kohawks, but use this loss to get motivated.  There is alot of work to get done between now and next October.  Believe you are a contender and that next year can be even better.  Most of all, thanks, to coach Juckem, the players, the fans, and Mr. Chandler for making my visits back to Coe so exciting and enjoyable.

still,

COOCOOFORCOEKOHAWKS!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 26, 2006, 11:02:09 AM
I think me and Show should be D3 basketball analysts because we pretty much haven't been wrong all year.  Coe shoots 6 of 20 from beyond the arc, so as much as I hate to say it, I was right.  Huge win for the Beavers, they really turned their season around going 11-2 after a 4-11 start.  Tough defense and good rebounding have been the key to success all season and once again the Beavers use it to win a huge game.  It will be interesting to see who the Beavers  draw in the first round, I'm guessing it will be one of the better teams in the nation considering the Beavers record.  I wouldn't be surprised if we see a rematch of the national tournament game of a few years back when Lawrence and BV met up in Siebens field house.  Certainly going to be a tough game regardless of who it is, but VH will have the team ready to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExCoehawk on February 26, 2006, 12:09:57 PM
My question is for CooCoo.  What things have you seen that Coach Juckem did this year that Brase wasn't?  I know you have to tip your hat to the man for coming in his 1st year and getting 20 wins under his belt but also keep in mind it was w/ Brase's recruits.  I do think he has to be one of the main guys in the running for coach of the year.  But as always the very classy VH, and a heck of a coach from my run ins w/ him, should be in the driver's seat for the honor. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Lance Harbor on February 26, 2006, 02:37:51 PM
First off, congrats to the Beavers for an awesome finish to the season.  I think anyone with a sense of IIAC history was definitely not overlooking BV as they entered the conference tourney.  That BV did so well in the tournament should come as a surprise to no one.  Again, props to VH and the boys.

Second, I know this is going to ruffle some feathers, but I have Wartburg placed 59th out of 59 on my list of teams to get into the tourney.  It's a long shot, but not as much as you might think. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 26, 2006, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: ExCoehawk on February 26, 2006, 12:09:57 PM
My question is for CooCoo.  What things have you seen that Coach Juckem did this year that Brase wasn't? 

Brase chose to leave Coe.  He wasn't fired, but I would take a chance to coach my alma mater also.  So, I was just thanking coach Juckem for coming in and coaching the Kohawks as best he could, which wasn't too bad.  Especially under all the distractions and stress his family was tackling all season.  As far as differences, I think that question is best left for Charlie Kohawk. :-\ 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 26, 2006, 04:52:10 PM
Neither Wartburg or Coe on the D3hoops staff projections.  I don't think either team has a real great chance of getting in, but I'd say Wartburg probably has the better shot considering their regional and national rankings over the course of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on February 26, 2006, 05:16:08 PM
I don't think Wartburg or Coe will make it. Coe needed to win the tourney and I think Wartburg had to atleast get to the finals. Congrats to BV! They got hot at the right time and hopefully they continue their play and make the IIAC look good. Very competitive year this year and I think it will be even more competitive next year with everyone having lots coming back. Howevere now that conference play is all done who do you think will be on the all-conference teams? I know I posted before but that might have been a tad early so I am posting again to get some discussion. Here are my predictions:
MVP- Steege- Wartburg
1st Team
Thomas- Dubuque
Hittenmiller- Simpson
Driftmier- Central
Kilburg- Coe
Kuenstling- Coe
Schmidt- Wartburg
2nd Team
White- Loras
Soppe- Simpson
Rump- Luther
Daugherty- Dubuque
Lappe- Luther
Fogleman- Buena Vista
Others that could contend....
Wittry- Buena Vista
Axdahl- Coe
Clark- Central
LaDew- Cornell
King- Loras
Slater- Loras
Parkinson- Simpson
Cartmill- Wartburg
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 26, 2006, 09:26:07 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 26, 2006, 03:11:24 PM
Quote from: ExCoehawk on February 26, 2006, 12:09:57 PM
My question is for CooCoo.  What things have you seen that Coach Juckem did this year that Brase wasn't? 
As far as differences, I think that question is best left for Charlie Kohawk. :-\ 

I think I'll stay away from that one. Thanks anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J2theBrizo on February 26, 2006, 10:14:41 PM
"We'll there's always next year."  I remember saying those exact words on the 21st of January 2006.  The Beavers had just lost 4 in a row to conference foes Loras, Luther, Wartburg, and Dubuque.  I have to admit, from that point forward; I think I spent more time on the Iowa Department of Transportation homepage than the BVU website. 
However, as I have come to find out, there is only so much a person can learn about a team on the internet.  You look at the boxscore after a game.  You see the stats and think that you can narrow down exactly what went right or wrong.  Well the Beavers just got beat on the boards, or they just had too many turnovers.  Yet, there is one attribute that doesn't show up on any boxscore.  Something that you cannot measure until you see a game live or actually get a chance to talk to the people involved.  Honestly, I don't think anyone could blame the Beavers if they just woulda packed it in on the 21st of January.  4 and 11...It would have been easy to say, "Well, there's always next year."  But they didn't.  Despite all the doubters and all the adversity, these young men persevered. 
When Monday morning rolls around, there will be some highly seeded, nearly undefeated team that will be checking the BVU website, trying to figure out how this team that started 4-11 made the national tournament.  They will be looking through boxscores and checking player bios.  They will think they have the Beavers all figured out before they ever set foot on the court.  Yet there will still be that one thing that they will fail to factor in, that one thing that isn't in any boxscore, that one thing that I witnessed last night at Eby Fieldhouse, and that one thing that turned a 4 and 11 team into the conference champions.  Heart

Keep on rolling Beavers...

J 2 the Brizo
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 26, 2006, 10:27:51 PM
Well said, Brizo, except for one small but important point. BV is the conference "tournament" champion. Coe and Wartburg are conference champions this year. It may not mean much when BV plays into March while Coe and Wartburg stay home, but it's an important distinction in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 26, 2006, 10:49:24 PM
I agree Charlie-  but don't tell that to Steve Alford!  (see 2001 Big Ten Tournament)

A big congratulations to Van Haaften and the Beavers.  This trophy has to one of VH's most bitter sweet!  February has been quite the run for the Beavers, let's keep it rolling!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 27, 2006, 09:29:28 AM
Buena Vista will tavel to the CCIW's Augustana for the first round of the NCAA Tournament.

Augustana knocked off both Simpson and Coe early in the year.

I'll manipulate the records to help out BV a little...

Over the past 13 games, BV is 11-2 and Augustana is 9-4.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 27, 2006, 11:22:55 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2006, 09:29:28 AM
Buena Vista will tavel to the CCIW's Augustana for the first round of the NCAA Tournament.


B.V. can win that game.  If they continue to play defense and rebound they could make it to the sweet sixteen.   Heart has alot to do with W's this time of year and B.V. has plenty of that.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 27, 2006, 03:00:52 PM
Any one heading over to Aug. for the game..more importantly, anyone know any good bars out there? I think a few IIAC alum may swing down there, its not too far from the CHI burbs...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 27, 2006, 03:23:09 PM
Quote from: keith45 on February 27, 2006, 03:00:52 PM
Any one heading over to Aug. for the game..more importantly, anyone know any good bars out there? I think a few IIAC alum may swing down there, its not too far from the CHI burbs...

Rock Island has a great nightclub district, but I would think there's only one place for BV fans to gather -- the Thirsty Beaver (I kid you not) at 1720 Second Ave.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dansand on February 27, 2006, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2006, 09:29:28 AM
Buena Vista will tavel to the CCIW's Augustana for the first round of the NCAA Tournament.

Augustana knocked off both Simpson and Coe early in the year.

I'll manipulate the records to help out BV a little...

Over the past 13 games, BV is 11-2 and Augustana is 9-4.

If ya really wanna feel better, compare their records over the last five games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: balla_1982 on February 27, 2006, 06:25:58 PM
Not only did Augustana lose 4 of their last 5, they got smoked in the last two.  A team playing about their worst ball of the year matched up with one playing it's best.  I don't think BV could have gotten any better of a draw.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 27, 2006, 08:16:18 PM
Looks like BV will be a tad undersized in the post.  Augustana starts a 6'9" and 6'7" in the post. But I don't think they'll be able to push Fogleman around at 6'6", 265...

When I did a quick glance earlier in the day, I didn't look at the scores of Augustana's last two games.  The 25 point loss to North Central had to hurt the morale.

However, they're still ranked #9.  Anyone know what they were before they lost 4 of their last 5?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2006, 08:37:20 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2006, 08:16:18 PMHowever, they're still ranked #9.  Anyone know what they were before they lost 4 of their last 5?

You can find that out for yourself by going to the front page and clicking on the "Top 25" link.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dansand on February 27, 2006, 09:02:23 PM
Quote from: balla_1982 on February 27, 2006, 06:25:58 PM
I don't think BV could have gotten any better of a draw.

Whoa! I see my ploy to lull the Beavers into a false sense of overconfidence worked!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 27, 2006, 09:26:13 PM
Thanks Gregory, your wealth of knowledge is endless...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2006, 01:29:26 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2006, 09:26:13 PM
Thanks Gregory, your wealth of knowledge is endless...

As the old saying goes, give a man a fish and you feed him for today. Teach him how to fish, and you feed him for life.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 28, 2006, 08:46:33 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2006, 01:29:26 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2006, 09:26:13 PM
Thanks Gregory, your wealth of knowledge is endless...

As the old saying goes, give a man a fish and you feed him for today. Teach him how to fish, and you feed him for life.  ;D

I thought it went, give a man a fish and he knows where to come for fish, Teach a man to fish and you destroy your market base. :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 28, 2006, 02:13:14 PM
Did you guys see how Depauw made the tourney??
http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=17145
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 28, 2006, 02:43:20 PM
Yeah, that was on the CCIW board as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 28, 2006, 08:05:07 PM
Rumor has it over on the CCIW board that Augustana's big man has a broken finger...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 28, 2006, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: primetime on February 26, 2006, 05:16:08 PM
now that conference play is all done who do you think will be on the all-conference teams? I know I posted before but that might have been a tad early so I am posting again to get some discussion. Here are my predictions:
MVP- Steege- Wartburg
1st Team
Thomas- Dubuque
Hittenmiller- Simpson
Driftmier- Central
Kilburg- Coe
Kuenstling- Coe
Schmidt- Wartburg
2nd Team
White- Loras
Soppe- Simpson
Rump- Luther
Daugherty- Dubuque
Lappe- Luther
Fogleman- Buena Vista
Others that could contend....
Wittry- Buena Vista
Axdahl- Coe
Clark- Central
LaDew- Cornell
King- Loras
Slater- Loras
Parkinson- Simpson
Cartmill- Wartburg


What? No mention even of Corey DeShaw? He's at least second team. And my MVP money was on Kuenstling, but now it's on Kilberg. Steege? Please!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 28, 2006, 11:47:06 PM
P.S. I know I'm biased, but with what he's been through the past year and what his team accomplished, Pat Juckem deserves Coach of the Year honors.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2006, 04:16:02 AM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on February 28, 2006, 08:46:33 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2006, 01:29:26 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2006, 09:26:13 PM
Thanks Gregory, your wealth of knowledge is endless...

As the old saying goes, give a man a fish and you feed him for today. Teach him how to fish, and you feed him for life.  ;D

I thought it went, give a man a fish and he knows where to come for fish, Teach a man to fish and you destroy your market base. :o

I like your version even better. You must be a Business Administration major.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 01, 2006, 11:46:17 AM
Congrats to Coach Juckem of Coe for being named IIAC Coach of the Year.  It was deserved.  I would like to know how the voting finished though. I'd say VH had to be up there after losing his 6-7 top scorers from last year and still landing the Beavers in the NCAA Tournament.

Also, congrats to Matt Wittry of BV for landing the Beavers' only spot on the All-Conference squads. A great player, but more importantly a great person.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on March 01, 2006, 11:51:11 AM
Where are you getting your info from Show?  I don't see anything on the IIAC webpage, except for the release about Luther's coach resigning.
http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2005-06/0228luther_olinger.htm

*Edit:  Never mind, its up now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on March 01, 2006, 06:02:03 PM
I must say that although I was rooting for him I didn't think they would give it to Kilburg.

Congratulations Mike you were a joy to watch this season, and I look forward to your post play next season.

Congratulations to coach Juckem.  Hope this season was a sign of things to come. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 02, 2006, 10:09:15 AM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on March 01, 2006, 06:02:03 PM
I must say that although I was rooting for him I didn't think they would give it to Kilburg.

Congratulations Mike you were a joy to watch this season, and I look forward to your post play next season.

Congratulations to coach Juckem.  Hope this season was a sign of things to come. :)

I would have thought that VH would have gotten it, but not sure when the voting takes place....congrats to Nick and Tyler for 1st and 2nd awards..I hope next year is our year..we have the scoring, the post player stepped up late in the season (Stottmeister)...is the post player from Aug. really hurt?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 02, 2006, 10:42:35 AM
Quote from: dansand on February 28, 2006, 08:03:11 PM
Quote from: augiefan on February 28, 2006, 07:56:16 PM
More details on Dain Swatalla's injury would be appreciated. He has been one of Augie's strongest players coming down the home stretch. If he's not near 100%,  Augie will be in big trouble getting past this weekend.

It said in the local paper this morning that he had missed a weekend workout with a thumb injury. On the news tonight it looked like he practiced today and from what I could see it didn't look like he was wearing any wrap or splint. That's all I know, for whatever it's worth. Harrigan's got a big black eye though.

That was the last thing that's been said about it over on the CCIW board.  Looks like he may be dinged, but should still play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 03, 2006, 07:32:08 PM
Hopefully the Beavers can win another close one tonight.  Continue to play tough defense and rebound.

Go Beavers!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on March 03, 2006, 10:47:37 PM
any updates?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 03, 2006, 10:50:54 PM
BV gets knocked off tonight.  WAY too many turnovers and fouls to have had much of a chance.  Fogleman must have forgotten to shake hands with the refs before the game because they were on him like flies on _ _ _ _! The good news, he's only a freshman. But in honesty, the way it sounded from the webcast, ticky-tack fouls were called on both ends.

Nice season fellas!  Not too many thought you had it in you.  BV basketball looks like it should still be solid for years to come.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Brick on March 03, 2006, 10:57:17 PM
I totally agree with The show the Refs were bad...it was the tightest game I have seen called all year
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on March 03, 2006, 11:14:28 PM
how about a score??  recap??
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Brick on March 03, 2006, 11:16:57 PM
71-66 Augie
Turnovers are the story of the night
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on March 03, 2006, 11:53:47 PM
So how did the Thirsty Beaver treat you?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 04, 2006, 08:14:49 AM
It was almost like de ja vu with the Puget Sound game a year ago.

26 turnovers, compared to 28 at Puget Sound.  Best post player gets in foul trouble early and fouls out, Bissen last year. Jesse Schmidt was also playing with 4 fouls.

Augustana was playing without their starting PG, so that probably helped BV stay in the game even after committing so many turnovers/fouls.

So it resulted in a 71-66 loss, but more importantly gave a lot of young players an experience in the NCAA Tournament and hopefully many more to come!

Go Beavers!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 79jaybird on March 04, 2006, 12:55:06 PM
The Show-  I was calling the game on the web and you are right, the officials were quick to whistle every minor detail.  I am a fan of "let the kids play and let the small stuff go", instead of blowing the whistle every trip down the court.  Fogleman was picked on to some degree, however his inexperience showed late in the game.  Give this kid a few more years, he will grow and get more adapted to how to "hang in there in the paint", and he will be a good one.  Congrats on a great season Beavers.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on March 07, 2006, 02:18:02 PM
I thought coach Juckem and his assistant proved they were talented on the sidelines.  It will be interesting to see how he does with recruiting.  I would think he would do well since he probably had a hand in recruiting that undefeated Lawrence team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on March 13, 2006, 03:54:54 PM
I know this is late, but congrats to the beavers for a great season.  You battled your way through some very big teams to win it all.  Again Congrats, and good luck next year.  I think that the conference will be really tough next year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on March 14, 2006, 10:40:40 PM
With only one Iowa Conference player -- Central's Driftmier -- on it's all West Region team, I'd say the IIAC just got jobbed by D3Hoops. Conference MVP Mike Kilburg didn't even make the list.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 04:41:14 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on March 14, 2006, 10:40:40 PM
With only one Iowa Conference player -- Central's Driftmier -- on it's all West Region team, I'd say the IIAC just got jobbed by D3Hoops. Conference MVP Mike Kilburg didn't even make the list.

The school SIDs vote. I would have thought you knew that considering your background. West Region SIDs jobbed the IIAC, now that could be a more accurate statement.

Only four IIAC SIDs cast a ballot. Hard to complain if the schools don't support their fellow conference members.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on March 15, 2006, 10:06:41 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 04:41:14 AM

The school SIDs vote. I would have thought you knew that considering your background. West Region SIDs jobbed the IIAC, now that could be a more accurate statement.

Only four IIAC SIDs cast a ballot. Hard to complain if the schools don't support their fellow conference members.

I would have rather seen no one from the IIAC make the list as opposed to seeing the center from the second worst team in the conference.  All this selection says is that Central is the best known school in the conference, therefore their best player was voted on to the first team.  Too many honors and selections are made in the DIII world based on popularity or the past. 

We should all thank Pat and the men who bring us d3hoops.  The information provided on this website may fix the problem, but when the word information is in your job title you would think you would already have the information necessary to make an informed decision.

More coverage of DIII sports is the answer.  I look forward to the day when Pat launches D3T.V.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on March 15, 2006, 12:08:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 04:41:14 AM
The school SIDs vote. I would have thought you knew that considering your background. West Region SIDs jobbed the IIAC, now that could be a more accurate statement.

Only four IIAC SIDs cast a ballot. Hard to complain if the schools don't support their fellow conference members.

I stand corrected, Pat. The West Region SIDs jobbed the IIAC. Even worse, IIAC SIDs jobbed the conference. It seems to me the system is flawed if SIDs are asked to vote on all region honors when they're only familiar with the teams in their conference. Maybe the D3hoops staff should determine all region teams since they are less parochial. Either way, I don't see how a conference MVP can be left off the list.

And Pat, I do appreciate all your work to promote division three sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 12:35:20 PM
If you had to rely on us to select All-Region teams then we would be back where we were six years ago, with no All-Region team. The SIDs came along, made the proposal, and we were glad to accept. It makes no sense to cut them out of the process.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 15, 2006, 01:21:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 15, 2006, 04:41:14 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on March 14, 2006, 10:40:40 PM
With only one Iowa Conference player -- Central's Driftmier -- on it's all West Region team, I'd say the IIAC just got jobbed by D3Hoops. Conference MVP Mike Kilburg didn't even make the list.

The school SIDs vote. I would have thought you knew that considering your background. West Region SIDs jobbed the IIAC, now that could be a more accurate statement.

Only four IIAC SIDs cast a ballot. Hard to complain if the schools don't support their fellow conference members.

I'd love to know what 4 SID's voted for Driftmeir...I'm UD blue and blue, so I'll say Thomas should have been a repeat, his stats didn't drop that much, and some of them improved, as did the teams record before he got hurt...Steege, Kilberg, Schmidt all come to mind, plus the other post from Coe was decent (didnt see him play, so I am going on what I read).
I guess my point is, how does this happen?? My frustration also comes from my coaching season..we had a juco transfer (Ladies bball) who, as a guard, was 3rd in the conference in scoring (17ppg),  3rd in rebounds (8), 4th in steals (3), 5th in FG% (49.7%) and 12th in free throw percentage....but newcomer of the year was given to a girl with lower stats across the board on a team that had a worse record than us and we beat them by 28 both times we played..so this is my rant, I could only do it here...but where is the accountability? Doesnt someone say..DAMN, what are we doing??

Sorry, I just had to exhale
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 15, 2006, 01:33:36 PM
By the way, my guard also had a 18 point 19 REBOUND game..against the eventual conference champs..she also had an 8 steal game, and went 4-4 from 3 (second half) in the confernce tournament finals
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 15, 2006, 10:29:10 PM
Don't worry Keith, there are 1,300,000,000 Chinese who don't even know the IIAC exists.  The sun will still come up tomorrow.

Individual awards are nice, but team awards are better...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 16, 2006, 07:31:03 AM
I know, I know...at least we finished 7 games better than last year, with a new coaching staff, and we finished over .500.......but in this instance, we were the windshield!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on March 19, 2006, 11:08:18 PM
I was a little shocked that Driftmier was the only player from the IIAC to get mentioned on the All-Region. I thought Steege and Kilburg would be some where in the mix and maybe Thomas but his injury may have hurt some. Driftmier to me was most likely the best post in the league, unfortunately he played on a young and still developing team. I think the league looks to much at  records to determine the conference MVP and not as much at the individual skills and leadership. The All-Region teams I think do a better job in evaluating the individual and what he accomplished not his team, that is why Driftmier made it most likely. He was ranked nationally in some categories and led or was in the top 5 in a lot of individual categories. I know you have to take a look at the teams they play on but they are "Individual" awards, and individuals that put up great numbers should not be penalized for being on a team that had a down year or is rebuilding. The all-conference teams showed that a little with two Dubuque and Luther guys making the teams.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 20, 2006, 10:01:05 AM
I played in a tournament in Dyersville (sp?) this weekend..in our first game on Saturday, we played some COE guys..I think they are current players..anyone know?? those kids could shoot their asses off!!!! It was a good game, we lost by 2 or three..we had the 7 foot twins from UW-Stout, so all we did was post up myself and the twins, and all the Coe guys did was shoot three's..some guy tattooed my for 12 straight at one point (I dont really play defense!!)
Anyway, if anyone knows about that, post up..I think Schmidt was there too, I think our team may have played them later..I'm old, only played one game!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on March 20, 2006, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: keith45 on March 20, 2006, 10:01:05 AM
I played in a tournament in Dyersville (sp?) this weekend..in our first game on Saturday, we played some COE guys..I think they are current players..anyone know?? those kids could shoot their asses off!!!! It was a good game, we lost by 2 or three..we had the 7 foot twins from UW-Stout, so all we did was post up myself and the twins, and all the Coe guys did was shoot three's..some guy tattooed my for 12 straight at one point (I dont really play defense!!)
Anyway, if anyone knows about that, post up..I think Schmidt was there too, I think our team may have played them later..I'm old, only played one game!

Yes, two of them were Starting Seniors for Coe, and the other one was the Sophmore 4 and 5.  And yes, all three of them can shoot the lights out.  Did anyone see how the game between Schmidt and the Coe guys went? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 20, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on March 20, 2006, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: keith45 on March 20, 2006, 10:01:05 AM
I played in a tournament in Dyersville (sp?) this weekend..in our first game on Saturday, we played some COE guys..I think they are current players..anyone know?? those kids could shoot their asses off!!!! It was a good game, we lost by 2 or three..we had the 7 foot twins from UW-Stout, so all we did was post up myself and the twins, and all the Coe guys did was shoot three's..some guy tattooed my for 12 straight at one point (I dont really play defense!!)
Anyway, if anyone knows about that, post up..I think Schmidt was there too, I think our team may have played them later..I'm old, only played one game!

Yes, two of them were Starting Seniors for Coe, and the other one was the Sophmore 4 and 5.  And yes, all three of them can shoot the lights out.  Did anyone see how the game between Schmidt and the Coe guys went? 
well, those kids could shoot..we talked some trash, it was a good game..the post player didnt do much, got his shot stuffed in his face a few times..he seemed athletic, but decided he wanted to post up the 7 footers all day..not a good idea..I havent heard anything about the other games yet
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on March 20, 2006, 07:28:18 PM

Quote
he seemed athletic, but decided he wanted to post up the 7 footers all day..not a good idea
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Maybe not that day. In the big picture it was a great opportunity.  Playing against 7 footers and trying to post them up, no matter how badly he did it, was an invaluable experience for him.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 20, 2006, 10:03:41 PM
Any recruiting news?

With western Iowa BB pretty strong this year, BV should land another solid class.  They should have their foot in the door with the Carroll/Harlan guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 21, 2006, 11:41:42 AM
Coach McDermott from UNI is going to ISU..I called Marty McDermott this morning, to make sure he was answering his phone and not going with his brother!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on March 28, 2006, 02:58:47 PM
Speaking of coaches on the move, Wartburg assistant (and former player) Adam Sanchez has been hired as a Grad. Assistant at Drake.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: alfredenuemann on March 30, 2006, 02:50:21 PM
The newest photos of the destruction of Knights Gym/ PEC are available @ http://www.wartburg.edu/wellness/32906/index.html. Hopefully the web-cam will be installed BEFORE it's all gone.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buf on April 02, 2006, 07:48:31 PM
Some recruiting possibilities for you IIACers,

Tyler Etheridge (Eau Claire North)- 6'3", 17.2pts, 4.1rebs.  To either Wartburg (IA), Coe (IA), or Viterbo.  1st Team All Northwest Wisconsin

Josh Huettl (Eau Claire Regis)- 6'2", 16.2pts, 7.2rebs.  To either River Falls, Moorhead St (MN) (D2), Coe (IA), or Upper Iowa.  2nd Team All Northwest Wisconsin
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 03, 2006, 06:44:53 PM
Well, Wartburg assistant coach Oliver Drake has some strong ties in Eau Claire, so I figured it'd only be a matter of time before more kids from that area started to choose the Orange and Black.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on April 03, 2006, 10:53:14 PM
Heard BV is going to land the 7 footer from Carroll, Steve Gute.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 04, 2006, 02:02:55 AM
Western Iowa guy going to BV?  There's a shocker... ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on April 04, 2006, 11:44:34 AM
Yep...if it ain't broke, don't fix it!

However, if this kid improves 1/2 as much as he did between his junior - senior year of high school, look out!  He needs to add a few pounds to his frame though, especially if he's going to be practicing against Fogleman...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on April 11, 2006, 02:39:47 PM
Somebody give me a hoo-hah two times Tuesday!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 11, 2006, 02:46:43 PM
Given the pitching brilliance that is Glendon Rusch, I'm not really in the mood to hoo-hah anything right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 12, 2006, 03:35:26 AM
Somebody must've hid a 2003 calendar atop Rusch's locker in the Wrigley clubhouse.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 12, 2006, 02:40:11 PM
Luther Names Fomer Wartburg Player and Assistant Coach Mark Franzen Head Coach

http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2005-06/0412luther_franzen.htm

Had Franny made All-American, they'd be turning his plaque upside down at Joe's.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 12, 2006, 09:15:54 PM
Thanks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ustbumkneez on April 18, 2006, 02:14:18 AM
To you Wartburg fans, your squad just picked up one real good ballplayer that you might not know a whole lot about. Tyler Etheridge, a 6'3" guard from Eau Claire, WI made it official a few days ago that he plans on attending Wartburg this fall. Hes a First Team All-Northwest Wisconsin, and one of 24 Divison 1 Wisconsin Basketball Coaches Association All Stars. As someone who coached in his conference this past season, I can tell you that youre getting a lot more than a kid who simply averaged 17 ppg. This is a guy who is made for college basketball. Hes a great athlete (quickness, hops, length), superb teammate, excellent defender, and has an advanced basketball IQ. He can shoot from the outside, but is equally adept at slashing to the hoop and scoring inside. Hes a little wirey, but hes strong. And hes got ballhandling skills that allow him to run the point, so he can play either guard spot. I watched him take over games on both ends of the floor, and play with a tone that oozed 'college level'. Hes the kind of kid who can contribute significantly right off the bat, and I think the Knights just got themselves a heckuva player for the next 4 years. Just wanted to let the Wartburg faithful know about him.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on April 18, 2006, 03:21:40 PM
Quote from: ustbumkneez on April 18, 2006, 02:14:18 AM
To you Wartburg fans, your squad just picked up one real good ballplayer that you might not know a whole lot about.  Hes the kind of kid who can contribute significantly right off the bat, and I think the Knights just got themselves a heckuva player for the next 4 years. Just wanted to let the Wartburg faithful know about him.

Yes, great we hear you.
Thanks a whole heckuvalot  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 19, 2006, 03:50:42 PM
Don't be so bitter, Coocoo. 

You or Charlie hearing anything on Coe's SID search?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on April 24, 2006, 09:08:00 AM
Any more recruiting news?  A lot of returnees this year for many teams.  Still would like to keep up on the news.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on April 25, 2006, 09:52:56 AM
BV has a pretty good shot at landing the other Carroll player.  He was 3A 1st Team All-State.  One of the best shooters I've seen in awhile.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on May 05, 2006, 11:56:59 AM
Happy Birthday to Mike Kilburg the Iowa Conference MVP. 
Looked like he was having fun last night at Paddy's. 8)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on June 03, 2006, 05:46:38 PM
Any updates on the recruits coming in to the IIAC schools? I heard the Timmerman kid from Vinton is going to Coe? How about the Schulz kid from Carroll? Did BV get him? From what I have heard and know it looks like a pretty solid recruiting class for most of the schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on June 03, 2006, 09:22:52 PM
Schulz will be attending a JUCO and playing both basketball and baseball.  He didn't like the idea of writing the checks for private college tuition.  I'm about 99% sure if he did, it would've been BV, along with Gute.  Too bad though, I think he is going to be a pretty good player and had the size/shooting that BV likes to put out on the court.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on June 06, 2006, 12:07:04 AM
What JUCO is he attending? Is he atleast staying in Iowa?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on June 07, 2006, 09:28:09 PM
I was told Iowa Central...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on July 07, 2006, 11:36:48 PM
BV will continue the IIAC vs. D1 trend this November when they play Iowa in an exhibition game.
http://www.bvu.edu/departments/academicaffairs/athletics/headlines/headline.asp?id=947

Also, my sources have told me that BV's "Coach Klink" has left to become an assistant at S. Dakota State and former Beaver point guard Eric Wiebers has been promoted to replace him.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on July 25, 2006, 06:24:27 PM
Your sources are correct...except Wiebers was the shooting guard ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on August 01, 2006, 06:27:02 PM
He was a 'tweener.  To good a scorer to be the point, but to small to play the 2 on a regular basis.  Should we call him a combo-guard from here on out?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on August 09, 2006, 09:14:23 PM
Yeah, I can let that slide.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on August 10, 2006, 08:03:13 PM
I was looking through BV athletic website and noticed that Ryan Dupic from Emmetsburg plays baseball there now. He was quite the basketball player in high school and I wondered if the Coaches had talked to him about playing ball? That would be a good pick up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on August 19, 2006, 11:05:33 AM
Never heard of the Dupic kid.  Kyle Stribe, a former Manning standout, has transferred into BV.  He started out at Dana, but had some back issues that forced him to miss quite a bit of time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on August 24, 2006, 02:49:28 PM
UNI's men's basketball schedule is out, and the Panthers will play not one, but two IIAC schools this year.  UNI plays Central in an exhibition during the preseason and hosts Wartburg for a regular-season matchup on December 20.

Couple that with BV's date with the Iowa Hawkeyes in November, and I think the number of IIAC teams that have played D-I schools since 2002 is up to 8, with Loras being the lone exception.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: S Carter on September 10, 2006, 10:56:27 PM
Quote from: The Show on June 07, 2006, 09:28:09 PM
I was told Iowa Central...

I am following two Texas players that went to Central College. 1 from Houston and 1 from San Antonio. When do they usually update their roster?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on September 12, 2006, 10:11:17 AM
Central College or Iowa Central Community College?  The post you quoted was referring to Iowa Central Community College which is located in Ft. Dodge, IA.  Central College is the D3 (IIAC) school in Pella, IA.

Central College (Pella) will probably update their roster I'm guessing mid October, once kids report to practice and they see who is actually going to be there.  No athletic scholarships or signed letters in D3, so it's never guaranteed that everyone shows...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: S Carter on September 12, 2006, 01:29:15 PM
It's Central College, Pella. I am sure of the one from Houston. It's published on

http://www.wizardsbasketball.us/kings_news.html


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: S Carter on September 12, 2006, 01:32:03 PM
Quote from: The Show on September 12, 2006, 10:11:17 AM
Central College or Iowa Central Community College?  The post you quoted was referring to Iowa Central Community College which is located in Ft. Dodge, IA.  Central College is the D3 (IIAC) school in Pella, IA.

Central College (Pella) will probably update their roster I'm guessing mid October, once kids report to practice and they see who is actually going to be there.  No athletic scholarships or signed letters in D3, so it's never guaranteed that everyone shows...

Thanks for the info...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: S Carter on October 09, 2006, 05:35:24 PM
Two Texas 5A Athletes will be playing for Central College in Pella this coming fall.

Miguel Ley          6-0        Fr.   San Antonio, Texas/Judson (2006 District 26-5A)
Patrick Cambel   5-7        Fr.   Houston, Texas/Stephen F. Austin (2006 District 21-5A)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: S Carter on October 12, 2006, 12:39:33 PM
Not just 2 but now 3 Texas players are in Central College, Pella Iowa. Anybody knows what these 3 athletes doing in Central? Maybe it's all academics. What does Central have that attracts these players to have them move away from home all the way to Iowa and leave the city life? Just wondering.... But I wish them all well.

Miguel Ley          6-0        Fr.   San Antonio, Texas/Judson (2006 District 26-5A)
Patrick Cambel   5-7        Fr.   Houston, Texas/Stephen F. Austin (2006 District 21-5A)
Derek Hannah   6-2         Fr.    Vidor, Texas/Vidor (2006 District 22-4A)

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Illinihoops4 on October 12, 2006, 11:03:44 PM
What attracts one to Pella, IA? 

Windmills, tulips, and hollanders!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on October 16, 2006, 02:02:30 PM
You forgot rootbeer kegs! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on October 17, 2006, 02:58:02 PM
Hey a newbie here - glad I found this site and will look forward to learning about and chatting about the basketball played in this conference.

My interest is based on my son having been recruited and enrolled at Coe College this fall.

He is from Colorado and was an All 1st team Conference selection and Honorable All State Selection last year out of Highlands Ranch Co. (5A division - Continenal League, which is the same one that Matt Bouldin is from/ThunderRidge HS, who may be starting for Gonzaga this year as a freshman!!)    He is a 6'2" combo guard, averaged 18 points per game, and has a solid game from outside the arc and is very good at slashing hard to the basket. He was recruited at the D-2 level but decided, after his visit to Coe, that this was the place for him.  Coach Juckem is a great guy and has the program heading in the right direction.  Coach of the year, conference player of the year! Not bad!!!!

Based on the little I know about the conference but having seen my son play a little during his recruiting visit with many of the players, this team is primed to be a contender once again for the league title.

I wanted to get others opinions about the top teams, what to look for and if Coe or other schools will have an opportunity to make the Sweet 16 in March.

Again looking forward to banter about the league, its players and even joining in with some smack about D-3 bball in Iowa!!! I hope to get out to watch some game and to enjoy seeing the dreams of my son realized!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on October 17, 2006, 03:10:26 PM
Buena Vista has qualified for the national tournament six of the past eight years and has won five consecutive Iowa Conference Tournaments.

There's your favorite...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on October 17, 2006, 03:50:27 PM
So what happened this year? Seems like there may be a new sheriff in town  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 17, 2006, 05:22:59 PM
Quote from: Rich on October 17, 2006, 03:50:27 PM
So what happened this year? Seems like there may be a new sheriff in town  ;)

Dad's talkin smack!!! PRICELESS
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on October 19, 2006, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: Rich on October 17, 2006, 03:50:27 PM
So what happened this year? Seems like there may be a new sheriff in town  ;)

I think that's what most said last year...  New year, same result.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on October 19, 2006, 08:29:10 PM
Thats no what I am reading: Check it out - the other teams in the conference better be ready -  go ahead and add a few All Conference freshman of the year selections when its all over too!!!

Ranked #17 in the nation by DIII News 

Season Preview

The Coe College Men's Basketball team started their season on October 15th, and is looking forward to another Championship season.  The team will be led by Senior Mike Kilburg (IIAC player of the year/DIII News preseason All-American) and Junior Kyle Kuenstling (1st Team All Conference).  The team also returns two other starters Rob Hanna (Jr.) and Brian Brungard (Jr.) who is returning after a shoulder injury hampered him much of last year.  Seniors Brandon Yansky and Aaron Breitbarth along with Junior Kale Petersen round out a very talented and experienced supporting cast.

I cant wait to get into my car, drive 12 hours and see some of this actions - Dang I'll be hitting some home games for sure, so which ones shall I see......hmmm maybe start by witnessing the Buena Vista whupping!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on October 21, 2006, 07:55:20 AM
Who can offer a run down of the teams in this division?

Which ones are the teams that like to run vs ones that play staunch defense etc?

Are there any similarities from year to year with some teams?

Who are the Xs and Os coaches and who are the more free whelling style skippers?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on October 21, 2006, 06:33:10 PM
Welcome aboard the Kohawk bandwagon, Dr. Phil. Coe's got a fun team to watch and Coach Juckem's enthusiasm is contagious. If you don't like noise, you might bring earplugs to Eby Fieldhouse because the Nut House is gonna rock like never before.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on October 22, 2006, 11:07:12 PM
I thought you went by Rich.  Now it's Dr. Phil?  Identity crisis or you watch too much daytime tv?!?! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 03, 2006, 12:51:28 PM
Only a week away from the Beavers traveling to play the Hawkeyes!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on November 04, 2006, 08:22:06 AM
Beavers might beat the Hawks........which isn't necessarily an indication of how good BV is.  Hawks are going to be terrible.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on November 04, 2006, 09:48:31 AM
Don't forget about "Hoop It Up" tonight at Eby Fieldhouse.  Both Coe Men's and Women's teams will be taking part in a fan friendly shoot out with a dunk contest and many others involving the fans.  It starts at 6 p.m. tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 04, 2006, 06:55:18 PM
BV only managed 23 votes for the D3Hoops Preseason Top 25.

Coe was the only other IIAC team to make the list with 11 votes.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 04, 2006, 11:31:43 PM
I don't mean to let out any secrets, but a couple Coe freshmen were quite impressive at tonight's dunk contest. Looks like an impressive recruiting class for Coach Juckem and V. I expect the Co-Ko-Nuts will be in full throat come Nov. 28 when Wartburg comes to town.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on November 09, 2006, 11:24:06 AM
I have always put a lot of stock in dunk contests as a measuring stick for basketball ability.  Watch out for the dunkers from Coe.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on November 09, 2006, 09:52:07 PM
Dunking can be a measuring stick but not all the time -- it definitely indicates some athletic prowess and obviously vertical jumping strength, but the real players on a team fill up the box scores.

Dunking is exciting, will get the crowd going and can add some worry to the opponents.

Who are the best dunkers on the Coe team?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 10, 2006, 12:04:30 AM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on November 09, 2006, 09:52:07 PM
Who are the best dunkers on the Coe team?
Rob Hanna and freshman Brick Carter won the contest, but Mike Kilburg will be the one who delivers it during games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on November 10, 2006, 09:08:16 AM
I've been around the IIAC for a long time now, and all I'm saying that in this league 'the dunkers' are more than likely not 'the players.'  If they could jump like crazy and play, they'd be getting a scholarship somewhere, and not paying 20 grand a year to play.  I played in the IIAC w/ guys like this......trust me...it's true.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on November 10, 2006, 09:12:23 AM
On a more serious note....how close will BV keep it tonight??  I say Hawks by 22.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 10, 2006, 10:34:20 PM
IIAC Observer speaks the truth.  And nice prediction on the BV/Iowa game.

Hawkeyes win tonight 77-58.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2006, 11:33:05 PM
Shameless Self-Promotion

The season starts in a week, don't forget to join the Survivor League and new the Nationwide Pick Em League in the multi-regional board!!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on November 13, 2006, 01:14:35 PM
Does anyone do a pick-em on this conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 17, 2006, 05:51:32 AM
Judging from what I've just read on this site, WLC's men are in for a baptism of fire in their opener tonight. (Other than the 3 starters they lost to graduation last season, virtually everyone else is back.)  :) ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 17, 2006, 11:34:31 AM
Will Cornell or Coe be carrying their respective games the next two nights?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on November 17, 2006, 06:20:09 PM
If Coe's not carrying the men's game, it can be found at www.wlc.edu/athletics  (men's basketball link) (WLC's call/feed).

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 17, 2006, 08:57:45 PM
93-62 COE over WLC
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 17, 2006, 10:20:48 PM
Just got back from Eby Fieldhouse where the Kohawks put on a show over Wisconsin Lutheran tonight. 93-62 was the final with the Dunkerton duo leading the way for Coe.  Brian Brungard had a game-high 22 points including 6-9 three-pointers to make us all feel better about Brad Axdahl's graduation. Kyle Kuenstling added 17 points and a game-high 7 rebounds. Conference MVP Mike Kilburg got in early foul trouble and had just 6 points and 4 rebounds in 13 minutes.

Incidentally, Coe is broadcasting all of its home games over the internet from www.coe.edu/athletics. Live stats are also available.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 17, 2006, 10:26:22 PM
Marian College 67

Cornell College 63
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KohawkSideliner on November 18, 2006, 05:46:30 PM
speaking of dunking, Hanna had a nice dunk against Wisconsin Lutheran last night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 18, 2006, 09:26:35 PM
Marian - 29
Coe - 32
@ Coe, at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 18, 2006, 11:30:41 PM
It didn't come as easy for the Kohawks tonight, but the outcome was the same. Coe 67, Marian 53. Mike Kilburg led the way with 25 points and 13 rebounds.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 20, 2006, 08:48:22 AM
Time to get this board kick-started!
I was just looking at the Wartburg schedule today and saw the very smart schedule makers at the IIAC put the Wartburg/Luther game at Wartburg over Christmas break! WHat the ^#&# were they thinking?!?!?!?!?!?!?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 20, 2006, 09:13:00 AM
Prolly the same people who put the UD/Loras games on Tuesdays!!! ARGH, I hate that..I havent even checked the schedule yet, so I'm saving myself form disapoointment!

Saw the Spartans practice prior to them leaving for CA..they will be a guard oriented team again..the loss of STOTMEISTER will really hurt. The guards are 2 of the best in the conference, but I think thety will suffre in conference.  Nick Thomas has gotten stronger over the summer, but he can't carry them alone....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on November 20, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
The schedule starts off fast though with the two top teams from the conference meeting in the opener with the Knights traveling to Coe.  But as with the other complaints, I wish that game would be on the weekend so more people could see it.  Warburg's loses will hurt but they got a great class that should ease some of the pain and Coe sounds like they will be tough but the lack of established outside shooters will hurt them.

By the way, does anyone know why Tierney didnt play for Cornell over the weekend? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 21, 2006, 08:01:23 PM
Quote from: youcantseeme on November 20, 2006, 04:40:21 PM
The schedule starts off fast though with the two top teams from the conference meeting in the opener with the Knights traveling to Coe.

Not many people are picking Wartburg as a top two team in the conference this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 21, 2006, 10:39:14 PM
71-65 BV ahead of GAC with 1:30 left in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 21, 2006, 10:51:01 PM
Buena Vista - 78
Gustavus Adolphus - 70

Nice win on the road for the Beavers.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 21, 2006, 11:04:08 PM
Coe got a nice "road" win tonight also, 82-62 over crosstown Mount Mercy. I wasn't at the game -- had to announce the women's game instead -- but it looks like Mike Kilburg was his usual force with 16 points and 9 rebounds. Kyle Kuenstling had an off night in the scoring department with only four points, but in 16 minutes he had five rebounds, four assists, two blocks and three steals. Nice work Kohawks. With Wartburg coming to town next Tuesday, Coe could start out 4-0 without ever leaving Cedar Rapids.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on November 22, 2006, 12:20:12 PM
I would say the pollsters have it right so far.  Top 3 will be Coe, BV, and Simpson.  Don't count out Simpson, I think they are primed for a good year if everyone stays healthy.....and BV?? what can you say bad about them??  Take a beating and 3 days later come back and beat Gustavus on the road.  Wartburg will fight to get into that top 3, but I definitely see these 3 teams as the class of the conference.  MUCH MUCH MUCH deeper conference this year in my opinion, with the top 3 being better than the top 3 from a year ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on November 23, 2006, 01:38:16 PM
Wow, I am not the only one that thinks Simpson has a shot! LOL!
Actually, the team is loaded with experience, 3 seniors have been playing tons for 4 years. A few big men came in to help down low. And, while they haven't been in the top 3 the past few years, they have had big wins and/or overtime losses to the best teams. So, if they are gonna make any noise, this is the year to do it!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on November 24, 2006, 10:09:30 PM
I think that Wartburg will be there in the top 3 by the end of the season.  They are young and they might struggle early on, but I think they have enough that they will be a tough out by the end of the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 25, 2006, 10:33:47 PM
BV beats Northwestern tonight 99-86 in Storm Lake.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 26, 2006, 08:57:20 AM
Dubuque beats Clarke last night  88-59.  Dubuque is now 3-2 on the year.  Their 3 wins are by big margins while their 2 losses were by 2 and 5 points. 

For what it's worth the announcers at last nights game seem to think that the Dubuque basketball team is in for a similar season to what the schools football team had. 

And on a side note I was reminded last night how fast basketball games can change, relative to football games.  I turn on the game as it's hitting halftime and Dubuque is up 37-31.  I go to play some more with our kids and then get them to bed and when I come back Dubuque was up by about 25 points and on cruise control. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 27, 2006, 08:59:36 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 26, 2006, 08:57:20 AM


For what it's worth the announcers at last nights game seem to think that the Dubuque basketball team is in for a similar season to what the schools football team had. 


I don't know if UD mens bball team will have the type of turnaround the football team had. In my mind, the key is J. Moore. He is 6-6, 250 and strong as hell...if he can get his emotions under control and use his strength to his advantage, UD can take a step forward. The team knows what to expect from Nick Thomas and Tyler Daugherty, they need a low post presence to step up. If not, it will be a long year for the Spartans.. big win versus Clarke though, now its time to get ready for the conference season!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on November 27, 2006, 02:16:13 PM
Let's start w/ predictions for tomorrow nights' games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 27, 2006, 02:31:25 PM
      BV by 10
  Cornell by 3   
  Simpson by 2 
  Coe by 8
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IIAC Observer on November 27, 2006, 03:29:06 PM
Buena Vista over Luther by 13
Central over Cornell by 17
Simpson over Loras by 7   
Coe over Wartburg by 11

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on November 27, 2006, 04:26:53 PM
BV over Luther by 10
Cornell over Central by 4
Simpson over Loras by 15
Coe over Wartburg by 6

Note- The Cornell pick is under the assumption that Tierney is going to play for the Rams, if he doesn't......I take Central by 5.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on November 28, 2006, 08:41:11 AM
BV over Luther
Central over Cornell
Loras over Simpson (I'll go against the grain)
Coe over Wartburg


Is conference ball here already? :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 28, 2006, 06:49:58 PM
Buena Vista
Coe
Simpson
Central

I don't think there will be any blowouts tonight.  Thought about taking the Wartburg upset, but didn't since they're on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 28, 2006, 07:14:29 PM
Good luck to all for a great and new IIAC season. 

Tonights picks:
Central over Cornell.... a classic battle for the bottom spots of the conferene
Loras over Simpson in nail biter....Loras hits a buzzer beater to win
Coe over Wartburg......Kilburg goes off as no one can match him
BV over Luther.....BV pulls away in the end, win by 10!


Good luck to all!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 28, 2006, 10:08:31 PM
BV up 3 at the half.

Student announcers I assume on the Luther webcast.  Bissen is pronounced "bee-sen", not "bison".  Not to worry though, many screwed it up for Randy a couple years ago too.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 28, 2006, 10:30:10 PM
53-50 BV with 3:00 left in the game.
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Post by: The Show on November 28, 2006, 10:41:20 PM
OT in Decorah.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 28, 2006, 10:53:25 PM
68-63 BV with 40 seconds left in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 28, 2006, 10:57:45 PM
68-63 BV over Luther in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 28, 2006, 11:23:05 PM
Looks like this was the night for OT.

Coe beats Wartburg 92-88 in OT @ Coe.

Central beats Cornell 81-67.

Loras over Simpson 84-68.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 28, 2006, 11:43:16 PM
Wow! It feels like March outside, and it definitely felt like March inside Eby Fieldhouse tonight. Coe won 92-88 in OT, but Wartburg definitely came to play before a hostile crowd. Rob Hanna led the way with 24 points on 10 of 12 shooting. Mike Kilburg pounded in 20, hitting 9 of 12. Coe shot 64.8% for the game, including 78.3% in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 28, 2006, 11:44:20 PM
Gotta admit that Coe-Wartburg score surprises me a bit.  The Knights must have given Coe a better game than I, or anyone else around here, would have guessed.

Hey Show, what the hell did you do to get all the bad karma?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: knightlife06 on November 29, 2006, 09:25:40 AM
15  3's by the Knights!!!  The best thing about this team is, they will only get better throughout the season.  The IIAC is going to be tough this year but I think they can surprise a lot of people, like they almost did to Coe.  Coach Peth and the staff did an excellent job of recruiting last year.  Should be a fun year in the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 29, 2006, 09:27:40 AM
surprised how close the Knights kept it last night. The defense is only going to get better. I imagine Peth isn't too happy with the D last night. I thought Simpson was supposed to be toward the top this year????
Maybe a lot more to get excited about in Waverly than I thought this winter.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 29, 2006, 11:37:00 AM
Great win DuHawks!  Looks like I went 4-0, great start to a new season. 

This league will be the same as every other year.  The top 6 teams will be battling all year long.  Coe is the only favorite, everything else will be up in the year.  Coe will have to play their best all the time b/c everyone is gunning for them and rightfully so.  The return basically the whole starting lineup from last year and a preseason All American.

Loras had 5 players in double figures, all scoring more than 12 points.....that might be tough to stop all year!  Then again it's still early.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on November 29, 2006, 11:41:13 AM
I missed the Loras/SC men's game. I hear the SC boys aren't completely playing like a team yet, still have 5 individuals on the court sometimes. Don't count them out yet though. For one thing, it's early and second, it sounds like Loras did play well.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 29, 2006, 12:10:01 PM
Simpson had 5 individuals on the floor, for what reason?  These kids have been playing together for 3 years already.  In order to be great these players need to understand their roles by now!  They are extremely talented with Hittenmiller, Soppe and Parkinson, hope they can get it done.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 29, 2006, 02:05:23 PM
I had a gut feeling that Wartburg would pull the upset last night, but since it was on the road, I went with Coe.

Sportsknight - Not sure.  Who doesn't like a good Beaver???  ;D

Oh, and a belated congrats on the pick-um tie breaker via the HS playoffs. I'm still not sure if CL-GLR is that tough (I know their "D" is) or that Solon just played a poor PCM team and made Solon look unreal that day.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on November 29, 2006, 02:40:32 PM
Roc Chalk--You weren't the only one 4-0 last night :D

Show--CL-GLR is that good. You guys would have beaten Solon physically too if that makes you feel any better.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on November 29, 2006, 04:11:01 PM
Looks like my Wartburg predication was a pretty good one.  I do think that last night's game at Coe could have had a larger margain in favor of the Kohawks if they would have taken care of the ball.  26 turnovers is way too many to be considered a top team in the country.  Likewise for Wartburg....if they are going to be a real player in this conference like I think they can be, they need to cut down on their 21 to's.  Knights had no match for Robb Hanna last night.  He looks to have finally broken away from his defensive specialist mentallity to realize some of his offensive potential.  Too bad to see that the Knights struggled so badly to execute the last play following a time out though.  Great excitement last night in Cedar Rapids, but not a very good "looking" game.

Anyone have any info on the Luther BV game?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 29, 2006, 10:44:12 PM
I think Coe should be a lot more worried about the turnovers than Wartburg.  The Knights have a young squad and the things already mentioned here (TOs, defense, etc) will improve as the season goes along.  Anyone else find it really weird that Coe shot the percentage they did while still turning the ball over that much?  Hard to imagine a team could get that many possessions, but when Wartburg turns it over a bunch too I guess it starts to make more sense.

After this first night of IIAC play, I think the league is going to be a real dogfight this year.  Every year, you read the coaches saying they've never seen the conference so competitive and you don't really know how sincere they are.  This year things are really going to be up for grabs though.

Show - I was baffled during that CLGLR-Solon game.  Solon couldn't do anything on offense, and I'm not sure how much of it was the talent of the CLGLR defense or if they just had Solon scouted really well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 30, 2006, 11:27:49 AM
Hate to poke too much fun at Adkins because I think he does a really nice job, but I had to laugh at this statement regarding the Wartburg women't team.
"Tuesday's win gave Wartburg's head coach his first league victory. He's the first to win his inaugural conference outing in the program since former head coach Monica Severson did the same in 1988-89"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on November 30, 2006, 05:26:16 PM
Is that the SID? Do the Wartburg women have any shot of being respectable this year? They better step it up, or the SC women may steal the Marjorie Giles trophy away this year!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 01, 2006, 12:31:38 PM
The Wart women got a new coach, former coach at Rockford...he had a good run, but he tended to schedule lightly, in terms of non conference..if he can recruit in Iowa, he'll make an impact next season
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on December 01, 2006, 07:22:25 PM
I guess the part I found funny was calling Monica Severson the last coach to win her conf opener. Not really a big deal since she was the last coach anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 02, 2006, 09:12:19 PM
Dubuque wins at home over Martin Luther 84-72
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Post by: doolittledog on December 02, 2006, 09:20:15 PM
Cornell wins at home over Clarke 67-59
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 02, 2006, 09:22:10 PM
Central loses at Westminster, MO 66-64

Westminster putting in the winning bucket with 3.1 seconds left. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_b on December 02, 2006, 11:10:53 PM
North Park defeated Loras, 87-69, in Chicago.  Brian Centella paced the Duhawks with 16 points, and Luke Slater was the only other Loras player in double figures with 10. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 04, 2006, 11:18:23 AM
It was not a goodnight for the Duhawks.  They struggled all night scoring, but more importantly couldnt get key defensive stops.  NP played great all night hitting some real tough shots.  Coach Brenegan a former Loras player might have speacial team this year in the CCIW.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on December 04, 2006, 12:21:09 PM
Simpson lost to #15 Augustana with a last second tip in. Too bad, they just can't break the curse and start winning!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 05, 2006, 08:02:35 AM
Central got over their close loss to Westminster, MO in a big way.  Beating up on Faith Baptist 106 - 44
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sc_stormchaser on December 05, 2006, 12:51:31 PM
I'm fairly certain that a jr. high team could get over a close loss by beating Faith Baptist.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 05, 2006, 01:00:26 PM
Quote from: sc_stormchaser on December 05, 2006, 12:51:31 PM
I'm fairly certain that a jr. high team could get over a close loss by beating Faith Baptist.

Yeah, I think a lot of the IIAC teams will start scheduling Faith Baptist as well as Martin Luther.  Help instill a bit of confidence in their teams. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 05, 2006, 10:45:14 PM
Watching Iowa/UNI tonight it was pretty easy to see how BV equalled Iowa's rebounding in their exhibition game.  Hell, Fogleman would see quality minutes at Iowa this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 06, 2006, 05:14:33 PM
Let me hear some predictions on Coe vs Augustana this Saturday?
It should be a real show-down between conference powerhouses.
The Wartburg game makes me say Vikings by seven.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 06, 2006, 07:29:13 PM
Are there any radio or internet broadcasts for the Mt. Mercy vs. Dubuque game tonight? 

Dubuque isn't doing their broadcast since it is non-conference and away from home.  I didn't see anything on the Mt. Mercy website. 

Does anybody out there know of any options for me???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 06, 2006, 11:27:23 PM
BV wins in OT tonight @ Dordt 66-61.  Fogleman with a double-double.

Wartburg wins 82-70 @ Clarke
Dubuque loses @ Mount Mercy 76-70
Luther loses @ Northwestern (Minn.) 74-62
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 07, 2006, 01:50:18 PM
Coe over Augie.....Augies is tough on Defense but I think Coe is just too much to handle on the inside.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 09, 2006, 05:06:39 PM
BV loves OT.

103-98 over St. Ambrose this afternoon in Storm Lake.

BV's third OT victory in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 09, 2006, 10:35:02 PM
Quote from: The Show on December 09, 2006, 05:06:39 PM
BV loves OT.

103-98 over St. Ambrose this afternoon in Storm Lake.

BV's third OT victory in a row.

Better be carefull. 

Pretty soon the fans will feel cheated if they don't get to see an overtime game.  We paid 6 bucks and all we get is a 40 minute game??? What a rip off!!! ;D

Seriously though.  That is something to win 3 straight overtime games.  Something I think will come in handy later in the season.  They know how to handle pressure. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: george on December 10, 2006, 09:57:55 AM
Here is a question, who is the worst program in the IIAC.  I am talking about who makes the least with the most.  It will be interesting to here some of your thoughts as I have some in mind regarding such things as facility utilization, school reputation, ability to draw from a wide area for recruiting, and other issues that can effectively make or break a program.

#1 - BV as they have dominated IIAC over the 5 years
#2 - Wartburg just for being so consistent
#3 - Fastest rising program with a solid coach and good core players
#4 - Simpson who always competes just can't quite make it over the hump
#5 - Loras is close to Simpson
#6 - Luther has one decent year with solid players returning then a new coach   and off the map again
#7 - Cornell / Central can anyone win at these places
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 10, 2006, 10:55:04 AM
So Dubuque is so bad you didn't even put them in the rankings.   ;D

Tell us more, you talk about what schools make the least with the most.  Expand on that a bit and give us your reasons.  It's been awhile since I have been in school.  I would like to hear from you and others your thoughts on this. 

Luther and BV have the biggest student bodies.  Where do they recruit from?  I really have no idea where BV draws from.  Luther I always thought did well from northeast Iowa and from Minnesota as well. 

Who has the best facilities?  And if the top schools have the best facilities,  is anyone realy doing the least with the most? 

Ability to draw from a wide area.  When I was in school Dubuque and Wartburg were the top basketball schools.  Wartburg with pretty much their entire roster made up of Iowa kids and Dubuque drawing from Chicago and New Orleans and Iowa for about a third of the roster.  So, does ability to draw from a wide area mean a whole lot, or the ability to draw talent overide everything. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norse10 on December 10, 2006, 06:01:10 PM
I believe Luther has some of the best facilities in the IIAC along with BV. As all of you know, that doesnt necessarily compound into success. Luther hasnt exactly been the most successfull program in the IIAC over the past decade. We get most of our talent from Eastern Iowa, Small schools in southern minnesota, and every now and then from western Wisconsin. Mostly small school talent in all. Eastern Iowa is tough grounds for us in recruiting. Luther is the second most expensive college in the state and doesnt have near the b-ball tradition of other comparable schools on the Eastern side. When I played, BV had mainly western Iowa guys on their roster. Most of their best players were comprised from this group. I can only think of one college in Western Iowa (Northwestern) besides a couple Juco's spread thin. Most students dont come to Luther to play basketball..are you surprised? Probably not, but they do give scholorships to many, many music majors. Must have a nice endowment set up for this. From past experience, most of the GOOD recruits we lost out on had a great exerience when they came up to the school, only to go elsewhere for financial reasons. You will probably find this more at Luther than others based on the amount it costs to attend...Team this year hasnt started so hot. Keeping faith that they can come together and be competitive in conference play. Have a few nice players but no real leaders or consistency yet. Hopefully this will develop before conference season starts..time is running out...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on December 10, 2006, 10:49:00 PM
Well, it looks like Simpson played Augustana a lot close then Coe did. That being said, the Storm record doesn't look too impressive. I hope they can get something going for conference play soon!

I think Central definitely competes for one of the worst basketball schools. Obviously, their athletic programs are strong in many areas- indicating their financial assistance, facilities, etc must be up to par. But basketball seems to be a thorn in their side! Not that they don't have a nice win here or there, but they never seem to be in contention for titles.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 10, 2006, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 10, 2006, 10:55:04 AM
I really have no idea where BV draws from.

Are you kidding?  As Lance Harbor once said, "BV is a who's who of western Iowa basketball."  Harlan, Carroll, Manning, Audubon, Denison...just to name a few traditional spots.  BV is starting to dip into the Omaha & Kansas City talent pools as well, which will only make them stronger.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 11, 2006, 08:31:10 AM
Quote from: The Show on December 10, 2006, 11:42:30 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 10, 2006, 10:55:04 AM
I really have no idea where BV draws from.

Are you kidding?  As Lance Harbor once said, "BV is a who's who of western Iowa basketball."  Harlan, Carroll, Manning, Audubon, Denison...just to name a few traditional spots.  BV is starting to dip into the Omaha & Kansas City talent pools as well, which will only make them stronger.

Amazon.com hasn't sent me my order of "BV basketball recruiting: A history, by Lance Harbor" yet.   ;D

If I had to have guessed I would have thought BV recruited western Iowa pretty well.  Just Northwestern, maybe Dortdt and also Morningside and Briar Cliff to recruit against I would guess. 

That is smart of them to recruit Kansas City and Omaha as well.  Pretty large populations and not far to travel. 

I think it's a good idea to have a local area, then perhaps try to hit 1 metro area and try to do that well.  Dubuque, back in my day pretty much recruited the mississippi river border counties from Minnesota to Davenport, then hit the Chicago area.  They were also lucky enough to have an alumnus that was a teacher in New Orleans, so he did some recruiting for us as well.  Dave Crawford, a two time IIAC mvp came from there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 11, 2006, 02:02:18 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 11, 2006, 08:31:10 AM
Amazon.com hasn't sent me my order of "BV basketball recruiting: A history, by Lance Harbor" yet.   ;D

;D  Add it to your Christmas List!  It's a good read.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 12, 2006, 07:44:50 PM
BV doesn't play for another week.  You guys are going to have to pick up the slack on this board!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on December 13, 2006, 09:01:16 AM
Where are all of the schools traveling for their trips over the holidays?  I think the conference needs to figure out a way to either get more conference games scheduled before break, or make it so all of the conference games are played after break.  It seems strange to have one game only and then a month off from conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 13, 2006, 04:01:22 PM
Loras plays the 19th at Aurora.  Could be a big win that is much needed for the DuHawks and then they go out to AZ around xmas.

Agreed.  All the conference games should be played after break, what is the point of having one or two conference games so early in the year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 13, 2006, 06:22:58 PM
Congrats to Fogleman for making the D3Hoops.com Team of the Week.  Averaged 18 points and 8.5 boards for the week.

BV travels out to Las Vegas to play in the D3 Desert Shootout on Dec. 21st-22nd.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 14, 2006, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: Roc Chalk DuHawk on December 13, 2006, 04:01:22 PM
Loras plays the 19th at Aurora.  Could be a big win that is much needed for the DuHawks and then they go out to AZ around xmas.


Can't see Loras beating Aurora this year. AU is off to a hot start, and they have too many athletes for Loras to try and match up with. Larry Welton is a load to deal with, and watch out for Darrick Leonard off the bench. Aurora by 15
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on December 14, 2006, 07:00:44 PM
for anyone who cares-they can take pieces of the old "knights gymnasium" in remembrance of all the great games that they lost there haha jk. i was an old waverly resident and not live in the wittenberg area, as i attend there
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on December 18, 2006, 04:09:18 PM
Anyone know if Wednesday night's game is televised?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on December 19, 2006, 11:30:07 PM
Quote from: keith45 on December 14, 2006, 10:49:46 AM
Quote from: Roc Chalk DuHawk on December 13, 2006, 04:01:22 PM
Loras plays the 19th at Aurora.  Could be a big win that is much needed for the DuHawks and then they go out to AZ around xmas.


Can't see Loras beating Aurora this year. AU is off to a hot start, and they have too many athletes for Loras to try and match up with. Larry Welton is a load to deal with, and watch out for Darrick Leonard off the bench. Aurora by 15

Per Northern Athletics Conference website, Aurora beat Loras, 99-71. (Edgewood had knocked off the Spartans in a mild in-conference upset last Saturday, so that could have been a "statement game" for AU.)

:-X :-\ :-X :-\ ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 20, 2006, 08:12:44 AM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on December 18, 2006, 04:09:18 PM
Anyone know if Wednesday night's game is televised?

Haven't noticed any TV listings for the game.

But they are advertising $5 tickets if you pick them up by wednesday before the game.  You can't buy them at the arena their website said.  And you can only buy 10 tickets at a time.  And you would be in the UNI student section.  So, um, I'm thinking you probably wouldn't be interested in those tickets.  Looks like it's radio or internet broadcast for you. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on December 20, 2006, 08:52:48 AM
I may make the trip up. I doubt there will be many students around from UNI and I've never had a problem sitting in another school's student section.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 20, 2006, 10:50:07 AM
Wow, Aurora looked great beating up on Loras last night!  They have a PG that is the real deal and then with the addition of Welton (All American) they are going to be a top team all year long. 

Loras couldnt do much all night as Aurora made everything.  The DuHawks were only down by 8 at half but in the second half they just struggled on both ends of the floor.

The DuHawks are 1-0 in conference and at this point that is all that matters as the IIAC never gets 2 teams into the tourny.  Look for them to come on strong during the second half of the year!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 20, 2006, 11:31:59 AM
Here is the article from UNI about the tickets.

The University of Northern Iowa Athletic Department is offering a special ticket price for the Wednesday, December 20th men's basketball game versus Wartburg.  A total of 1,000 general admission tickets are currently available for $5.00 each for the Panthers game against the Knights from Waverly, Iowa. 



To order your tickets go online (http://unipanthers.cstv.com/tickets/$5wartburgmbbticket.html), contact the UNITix office at 319-273-DOME or visit the UNItix office at the NW Entrance of the UNI-Dome or inside the GBPAC.  Mention this offer on the phone or at the box office to receive the special price.




Offer expires at 5:00 pm on Wednesday, December 20, 2006.  This ticket price is not available at the McLeod Center ticket windows on the night of the game.  Limit 10 tickets per person per order.  No other offers will be accepted with this promotion.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: knightlife06 on December 21, 2006, 11:32:24 AM
Solid showing by the Knights last night.  Hopefully they can take that experience and use it as a building block for the conference season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 21, 2006, 03:39:16 PM
Now that winter break has hit and the conference will be starting up rather quickly, lets make some predictions on this years race to the championship.

1. Coe
2. BV
3. Simpson
4. Loras
5. Wartburg
5. UD
7. Luther
8. Central
9. Cornell

Player of the year: Kilburg
Coach of the year: Van Haften
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: george on December 25, 2006, 12:20:22 AM
Who are the best and worst coaches in the IIAC over the last 5 years?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 26, 2006, 07:30:49 PM
BV dropped two tough ones out in Vegas over the Holiday Break.

Time to regroup for conference play when Simpson visits on the 3rd.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on December 30, 2006, 02:30:57 AM
Kohawks picked up a nice victory tonight over #20 Chicago on the road.  Congrats to the Kohawks on the big win!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 30, 2006, 01:00:34 PM
Solid showing to beat a ranked team on the road.  Congrats.  Now hopefully Coe spent all their energy against Chicago and will be running on empty when they play Dubuque on the 3rd.  Of course that probably won't be the case. 

I get the feeling Dubuque will be competitive in most every game this year.  But they will end up just on the short end of the stick most nights.  Hopefully they can nab 6th in conference so they can get back into the tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buf on December 30, 2006, 04:42:57 PM
Wartburg whipped lowly Finlandia by 25pts last night.  Should be a good game tonight against the host team (UWEC)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 31, 2006, 02:40:27 PM
Since I probably won't have computer access tonight, Happy New Year everyone! Celebrate safe and here's to a new year of great IIAC basketball ahead!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on December 31, 2006, 05:43:20 PM
Wow, Simpson men continue their up and down roller coaster of a season by winning the Cactus Jam. Hopefully they can bring some victories into conference play!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 01, 2007, 09:53:20 AM
I posted something similar to this on the football side of this board. 

What are peoples opinions of the NAIA schools from our state.  Is the NAIA similar to Div. III?  Superior?  Inferior?  I know almost nothing about the NAIA.  I know they can offer scholarships but I believe they are mostly low dollar such as $500 - $1000 scholarships.  NAIA member schools generally seem to be similar sized to most Div. III schools and I know when William Penn left the IIAC and when Morningside left Div. II they said that the NAIA was less expensive.  Why is that? 

Just curiosity on my part. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 02:25:26 AM
In basketball, the NAIA is divided into two divisions. The uppermost strata of NAIA-1 is considered to be better than anything D3 has to offer in terms of team strength, but is otherwise comparable. NAIA-2 has some good teams at the top, but on average the team strength is slightly lower than the average team strength of D3. Check out the ongoing tallies of D3 vs. the two NAIA divisions (and the various other levels of college basketball) in the "D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA" room under the Multi-Regional Topics header of Posting Up.

The Iowa-based NAIA schools are all NAIA-2 in basketball, and don't appear to be upper-echelon teams (although Northwestern was quite good a few years ago). Keep in mind that the two NAIA divisions are quite small; only 96 schools participate in NAIA-1 men's basketball, and only 144 participate in NAIA-2 men's basketball. By contrast, there are 395 schools participating in D3 men's basketball this season.

The NAIA can be less expensive than D3 for the simple reason that there is no minimum-sport requirement. To be a member of D3, each school has to offer five sports for men and five for women (or just five altogether if it isn't a coed institution). In the NAIA, you can get away with just playing men's basketball if that's all you want to offer. A whole bunch of NAIA schools offer substantially fewer than ten varsity sports. For instance, the Midwest Classic Conference (the Iowa-based league that includes William Penn, Iowa Wesleyan, St. Ambrose, Waldorf, etc.) only has seven sports in which each of the eight schools participates: men's soccer, women's soccer, volleyball, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball, and softball. When you're not forced to field as many athletic teams, you can work with a smaller budget for your athletic department.

Also, lots of NAIA schools don't even offer athletic scholarships -- and, as you noted, many of the ones that do offer only partial scholarships rather than full ones, and the partials can be quite small.

On the other hand, if you make it to the postseason in NAIA, you have to pay your own travel expenses. In the D3 tournament, travel and per diem expenses are covered by the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 02, 2007, 11:14:15 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 02:25:26 AM
In basketball, the NAIA is divided into two divisions. The uppermost strata of NAIA-1 is considered to be better than anything D3 has to offer in terms of team strength, but is otherwise comparable. NAIA-2 has some good teams at the top, but on average the team strength is slightly lower than the average team strength of D3. Check out the ongoing tallies of D3 vs. the two NAIA divisions (and the various other levels of college basketball) in the "D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA" room under the Multi-Regional Topics header of Posting Up.

The Iowa-based NAIA schools are all NAIA-2 in basketball, and don't appear to be upper-echelon teams (although Northwestern was quite good a few years ago). Keep in mind that the two NAIA divisions are quite small; only 96 schools participate in NAIA-1 men's basketball, and only 144 participate in NAIA-2 men's basketball. By contrast, there are 395 schools participating in D3 men's basketball this season.

The NAIA can be less expensive than D3 for the simple reason that there is no minimum-sport requirement. To be a member of D3, each school has to offer five sports for men and five for women (or just five altogether if it isn't a coed institution). In the NAIA, you can get away with just playing men's basketball if that's all you want to offer. A whole bunch of NAIA schools offer substantially fewer than ten varsity sports. For instance, the Midwest Classic Conference (the Iowa-based league that includes William Penn, Iowa Wesleyan, St. Ambrose, Waldorf, etc.) only has seven sports in which each of the eight schools participates: men's soccer, women's soccer, volleyball, men's basketball, women's basketball, baseball, and softball. When you're not forced to field as many athletic teams, you can work with a smaller budget for your athletic department.

Also, lots of NAIA schools don't even offer athletic scholarships -- and, as you noted, many of the ones that do offer only partial scholarships rather than full ones, and the partials can be quite small.

On the other hand, if you make it to the postseason in NAIA, you have to pay your own travel expenses. In the D3 tournament, travel and per diem expenses are covered by the NCAA.

Thank you, well done.  You put that better than anything I found on the internet. 

I think I will now try to look if there is a core area for NAIA schools.  You say there are only 145 NAIA-2 basketball schools, I think I read only 90 for football and it seems there are quite a few either in Iowa or in border states to Iowa. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 02, 2007, 07:16:53 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on January 02, 2007, 05:37:05 PMGregory Sager is one of the best on this board, and I mean the entire post patterns and posting up.  I am not saying this just because my mother graduated from North Park, he is the real deal.  Thanks Gregory!

Thanks, CC4CK. And, as I've said before, yours is my favorite user name on Posting Up. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 03, 2007, 08:05:17 AM
Checking out the go-nights.net web-site I noticed the Knights have added a post player @ semester. 6'6" 230# Grant Franzen  from W-SR had transfered from Quincy. What a nice Christmas present for Coach Peth.

Go Knights @ their first HOME(?) game of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 03, 2007, 09:53:30 PM
Beavers up 41-28 at the break over Simpson.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 03, 2007, 10:31:19 PM
72-56 BV with 6 minutes to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 03, 2007, 10:45:36 PM
Beavers win!  81-66
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2007, 08:05:31 AM
Dubuque opens their part of the IIAC schedule losing at home to Coe 80-61.  That tends to happen when you shoot 37% from the field. 

Luckily for Dubuque they Get Faith Baptist next to help them forget about this loss. ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 04, 2007, 08:19:44 AM
Wow, I wasn't at the game but it sounds like the Beavers kind of handed it to Simpson last night. I was hoping the Storm would really show up for a real game! But that's the thing, you just never seem to know with this team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 05, 2007, 09:22:25 PM
Dubuque beats Faith Baptist 101 - 74

Count down to "everybody beats Faith Baptist" posts in 5...4...3...2...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 06, 2007, 12:19:02 AM
1.

I think the five last posters could give Faith Baptist a run.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 06, 2007, 10:04:49 AM
 :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 06, 2007, 06:43:00 PM
Coe up 10 with 2 minutes to go.

BV comes back and ties it up to go to OT!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 06, 2007, 07:00:59 PM
84-79, Beavers win in OT!

Coe may be working on FT's this week in practice.

BV is now 5-0 in OT this season.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 06, 2007, 08:05:54 PM
Dubuque wins at home over Simpson 81 - 67 earning the split on the day after the Simpson women beat the Spartan women earlier in the day. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stickman on January 06, 2007, 09:26:56 PM
I see Luther beat Wartburg - Luther has won 2 in a row vs the Knights, how long has it been since that has happend.  Anyone at the game have any insight??
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pain_Train on January 06, 2007, 11:37:57 PM
Central wins a bunch of games in OT this year in football and BV is replicating it in basketball....good teams find a way to win the close ones I guess
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 09, 2007, 10:45:33 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 06, 2007, 08:05:54 PM
Dubuque wins at home over Simpson 81 - 67 earning the split on the day after the Simpson women beat the Spartan women earlier in the day. 

Simpson is tough this year, arent they? I know they won the tournament in AZ this past holiday. UD has their big man coming back, and a semester transfer who is still getting his feet wet...they may be ok in the post,a nd let Nick and Tyler do what they do
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 09, 2007, 10:20:36 PM
Dubuque beats cross town...not really rival...Clarke College Crusaders 73-67

Dubuque's second win of the season over Clarke. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 09, 2007, 10:26:01 PM
Who can ever tell if Simpson is any good, they are so streaky it's hard to tell!

6 mintues left, Simpson by 5 against the Knights.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 09, 2007, 10:40:11 PM
Simpson knocks off the Knights in an effort to get out of the conference gutter. It was a squeaker. Makes me glad that Steege kid from Wartburg is gone- we lost more than once to WArtburg in buzzer beaters from that kid!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StormE on January 10, 2007, 01:19:18 AM
Good evening, IIAC brethren.  I'm a new member, although I've been reading the board for over a year.  I finally just had to create an account for two reasons: 1.) Simpson has been rather poorly represented here for the last two seasons.  2.) One of our only consistent posters is "a little misguided" let's say.  It seems stormtruper doesn't actually "go to the games" or "know anything about basketball" or "have any idea how to state a coherent argument supported by evidence." 

Ok, got that off my chest.  Now, I actually go to the games.  Even some away games.  I live with one of the team members.  I am good friends with most of the team.  I actually know what the #$%@ is going on, as spoken from the mouths of the actual teammates. You get the idea.

Now, I will agree that there have been some disappointments so far this season.  I had high expectations for the team myself, and was surprised at the sloppy play I saw at BV, and I heard Dubuque was the same.  But we also shot 35% from the floor both of those games....makes it hard to win when the ball doesn't go in. We haven't seen the output from Soppe that we have earlier in the season, but he is a little banged up and the conference has started to double team him.  Luckily, Hittenmiller and Parkinson have picked up some slack, and impressive play from some promising freshmen (Dunlavy, Dau) have added depth to the bench.  (Heaven knows how much coach BW loves that....what with the NHL-like line changes as soon as the five on the floor get a rhythm.)  Tubaugh has become  more reliable with better ball handling and 78% free throw shooting, and stellar defense from Cermak with 34 steals has helped turn games around (especially tonight vs. Wartburg). 

Point is, we all know Simpson has the athletes, they way the cleaned up the Cactus Jam was a good example of that, and I think that getting their first conference win against a school that these seniors had never beat until tonight is just the spark they needed to turn their conference play around.  Simpson should be 3-3 by Saturday night when we get back from Luther and Central. 

Ok I'm done.  Too much for a newbie? I promise I'll keep it much shorter from here on out.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 10, 2007, 08:31:20 AM
Hey StormE! Glad to have some Simpson support here. Sorry that you feel I am "misguided:" in stating that SImpson is streaky and unreliable. Hey, no offense, I am a huge fan- but the writing is on the wall. This team is just all over the place with wins and losses- I do watch the games and I never know what team is going to show up that night. I hope they can turn it around, last night was a good start. Anyway, welcome aboard!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sc_stormchaser on January 10, 2007, 05:28:26 PM
Wow- harsh words for stormtruper. I don't normally post on this board (I'm more of a d3football guy), anyway, I know stormtruper and he happens to be one of the biggest supporters of SC athletics that I know. Stormtruper does go to games and goes know a thing or two about basketball. I certainly can't speak for other SC fans, but I believe the frustration stems from the letdowns of the past two years. Three years ago, we had 3 freshman clocking significant minutes and playing major roles on the team. I believe that team finished 5 games over .500. Everyone said, wait until next year...we'll have 3 experienced sophomores playing. Great expectations for the following year. Cermak was primed, but if I remember correctly, he got injured, and they finished well below .500 and that was a huge disappointment. Okay, so we get to their junior year, Soppe gets injured, 13-14, again, a huge letdown.

I certainly don't claim to know the x's and o's of basketball, and I know Stormtruper doesn't claim to, but when you have 4 guys that already have 3 varsity letters a piece before their senior year...you have very high expectations.

StormE, I guess those of us who watched Wilson's teams of the mid- to late- 90s, got pretty spoiled and we thought our current players could replicate that. I hope you're right about the team climbing back to .500 in the conference after this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on January 11, 2007, 07:26:19 PM
Wow! Loras out in front at 4 and 0.  For all you Iowa Conference 'gurus' how did this happen, can it continue, and will the Duhawks be here in March?  I watched Loras get soundly beat by Mt. Mercy and absolutely dominated by Aurora University.  Also, am I correct in assuming the conference tournament winner get the D3 tourney bid?  When is the last time an 'at large bid' or two teams made the post-season dance in the Iowa Conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 12, 2007, 03:57:18 AM
Quote from: coebball70 on January 11, 2007, 07:26:19 PMAlso, am I correct in assuming the conference tournament winner get the D3 tourney bid?

Yes, you are.

Quote from: coebball70 on January 11, 2007, 07:26:19 PMWhen is the last time an 'at large bid' or two teams made the post-season dance in the Iowa Conference?

1996, when Upper Iowa made the tourney as the IIAC champion and Simpson made it as an at-large.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on January 12, 2007, 09:38:55 AM
GS - thanks for taking the time to reply to my post!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2007, 09:46:46 PM
At halftime Dubuque up 33-28 on Central

Sounds like Centrals 6'10" Driftmeyer...not sure of the spelling...is a load.  Dubuque hasn't had too many answers for him yet. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2007, 10:42:49 PM
Dubuque beats Central 81-58

Dubuque goes to 8-4 overall and 2-1 in the IIAC
Central falls to 6-7 overall and 3-2 in the IIAC
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StormE on January 13, 2007, 12:56:33 AM
Simpson beats Luther in Decorah 51-50 on Cermak's layup with 0:06 left!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 13, 2007, 08:59:23 AM
Nice win for UD....was Central picked to finish in the top 4 (can't remember)....UD has had some nice home wins, so hopefully we can translate that into some raod wins
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stickman on January 13, 2007, 10:15:12 AM
Who has seen Wartburg play - what is their deal?  When is the last time they have been 0-5 in the league - life without the big 3 has not been good!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 13, 2007, 10:33:08 AM
Who were the big 3?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 13, 2007, 11:04:06 AM
That would be Schmidt, Steege, and Cartmill.  Losing a pair of 1000 point scorers and the guy that had played in more games than anyone else in program will hurt any team.

I have only seen Wartburg play against UNI so far this year, so I'm not going to be the best judge of what is ailing them.  But what I've seen from the stats, they're two biggest problems are giving up way too high a shooting percentage and not taking good shots.  Cornell shot 49%, 65% for Coe, and a whopping 69% for Central.  The difference in the Simpson game was that the Storm made 16 more free throws than Wartburg shot.  As far as shot selection goes, the Knights have hoisted up 25 three-pointers or more in 3 of the 4 conference games I found stats for, including tossing up 45 against Simpson.  Of those games, Wartburg only shot above 50% from distance once, in the OT loss at Coe. 

With the exceptions of Nelson, Gullickson, Vogel, and Menke, this Wartburg team is young and may not yet have the discipline to work hard on D and look for better shots, but those things will come.  I certainly don't see Wartburg going 0-fer the conference, but this is definitely the year for other IIAC take their licks against a weaker Wartburg team.  When the Knights get into the new facility next year, I think some of these problems will have been corrected.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on January 13, 2007, 11:13:38 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 13, 2007, 11:04:06 AM
  When the Knights get into the new facility next year, I think some of these problems will have been corrected.

You are saying that besides youth the reason they are 0-5 right now is because of facility?  COME ON!  You could take this years team, put them in a great facility and the outcome will be the same.  I agree that some of the problems will be corrected, but it has nothing to do with facility, it has to do with going through a sh*tty start of a year. 

I understand that the Wartburg backers are excited about the new facility, as you should be.  But are you aware that Wartburg will be in the negative for decades?!  With their current enrollment they will just be making enough to pay off the interest on the loans they took out, they can't even start paying back the "real" money.

Good Day..
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StormE on January 13, 2007, 03:24:39 PM
Sportsknight, you're right about Warburg's play.  I've only seen them when they were down in Indianola, but they did attempt considerably fewer free throws and astronomically more threes.  They didn't seem to realize they had an offensive player right under the hoop that they could pass to, so all but three players who saw time attempted more three pointers than they attempted from the rest of the floor!! That also led to Wartburg's 18 points in the paint but 14 2nd chance pts....seems to indicate that they don't count on their young inside players to make the first move, but I can't blame them.

Granted, Simpson has had a tough time recently guarding the perimeter because of the way we double the post, so perhaps they were trying to play to our weakness, but at some point you have to realize that shooting only gets easier the closer you get to the hole.  Our guys haven't been shooting great from any point on the floor, so to win being only 42% from the field shows we just got lucky that Wartburg couldn't hit the broad side of a barn and we could at least hit the front side.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 13, 2007, 08:51:40 PM
Luther come back after losing by 1 point last night and wins a close one tonight 62-58 over Dubuque.

I thought the Luther student broadcasters did a good job of announcing the game tonight.  What little I could hear between watching the Wiggles with our son.  They made a good point with about 5 minutes left in the game with the game about a 3 point difference, that Dubuque seems to either win a game big or they lose a close one.  Which obviously they were happy to note that since they of course wanted Luther to win and this was in fact a close game.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 13, 2007, 08:59:47 PM
Hawk Sighting, I think you are wrong.  Different teams of course react differently.  But you take an inexperienced and young team and make them play their home games 20 miles away on another schools floor and you can make a pretty good case that is the #1 reason a typically successfull school has now started their conference part of the season at 0-5

That doesn't say they would be challenging for the conference title if they were playing on campus in a shining new facility but I think you could certainly argue playing at home vs. playing 20 miles away for home games could be worth 5-6 wins over the course of an entire season. 

I thought Wartburg would most likely struggle a bit this year but I don't think they would be 0-5 at this point regardless of whether they were playing at home or at UNI.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 14, 2007, 11:56:59 AM
Quote from: Hawk Sighting on January 13, 2007, 11:13:38 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 13, 2007, 11:04:06 AM
  When the Knights get into the new facility next year, I think some of these problems will have been corrected.

You are saying that besides youth the reason they are 0-5 right now is because of facility?  COME ON!  You could take this years team, put them in a great facility and the outcome will be the same.  I agree that some of the problems will be corrected, but it has nothing to do with facility, it has to do with going through a sh*tty start of a year. 

I understand that the Wartburg backers are excited about the new facility, as you should be.  But are you aware that Wartburg will be in the negative for decades?!  With their current enrollment they will just be making enough to pay off the interest on the loans they took out, they can't even start paying back the "real" money.

Good Day..

Whoa, slow down now.  I wasn't saying that the facility will make the difference, but a season's worth of experience will make the difference.  Playing in Waverly without having to drive 20 miles for home games will help matters, but the increased experience will help more.

Secondly, I wouldn't start commenting on Wartburg's bottom line until you actually know what you're talking about.  Wartburg just got completed a campaign that brought in $90 million dollars, some of which will be committed to the new facility.  Also, Wartburg won't be footing the entire bill, the city of Waverly is picking up some of the cost for the new Wartburg/Waverly Sports and Wellness Center.  Also, Wartburg's alums give generously enough that the school won't need to rely on enrollment (which has gone up every year for the last 11, by the way) to complete their financial obligations.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldgold on January 15, 2007, 03:27:54 PM
The Knights are a very young team this year and have been decimated to some extent by the injury bug.  Two freshmen that were starting early in the season are out for the year, and it seems that they have been very tough to replace.  I also feel that them having their home games on the road makes a bit of a difference.  They get to practice maybe once a week at the game gym and their practices and walk throughs are at high school/middle school gyms.  Not an advantage.  The new facilities will be nice next year.

The team will get better as the season continues and I am excited to see this team next year after a full season of experience.  They have very talented young players and should make some noise in the conference in the upcoming years.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on January 17, 2007, 01:29:51 AM
Predictions:

Wartburg will finish 6th in the IIAC, which means they will pass 3 teams that are currently ahead of them.
As the conference tournament 6th seed they will beat the 3rd seed in the tournanment.

The 2007-2008 Knights will be like this year's New Orleans Saints.  The Knights will return home after spending a year wandering in the wilderness and will win the IIAC basketball regular season championship and tournament.

Once again this year, Wartburg will win the IIAC men's all-sports trophy.  It will just be closer than usual.  :o

Put it in the book and remember you heard it all here first.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 17, 2007, 09:30:13 AM
LOL you are crazy if you think Wartburg is not tuition driven! With an average endowment and a very high debt load, they (like every school except Grinnell) will be tuition driven for a LONG time! Record enrollment is great, but 3 of the past 6 years Wartburg has been negative on operating income. Put it this way, record enrollment is keeping WArtburg afloat, not surpassing any financial goals! Alumni giving is a drop in the bucket! There is a price for all of these buildings WArtburg is putting up. It's a gamble and they better hope that enrollment stays as strong as it has been. (including retention rates, which seem to be slipping).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawk Sighting on January 17, 2007, 12:40:09 PM
Quote from: Storm-what? on January 17, 2007, 09:30:13 AM
LOL you are crazy if you think Wartburg is not tuition driven! With an average endowment and a very high debt load, they (like every school except Grinnell) will be tuition driven for a LONG time! Record enrollment is great, but 3 of the past 6 years Wartburg has been negative on operating income. Put it this way, record enrollment is keeping WArtburg afloat, not surpassing any financial goals! Alumni giving is a drop in the bucket! There is a price for all of these buildings WArtburg is putting up. It's a gamble and they better hope that enrollment stays as strong as it has been. (including retention rates, which seem to be slipping).


Thank you Storm-what?!  I was hoping I wasnt the only one seeing the WHOLE picture.  Everything you stated is true.

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Whoa, slow down now.  I wasn't saying that the facility will make the difference, but a season's worth of experience will make the difference.  Playing in Waverly without having to drive 20 miles for home games will help matters, but the increased experience will help more.

Secondly, I wouldn't start commenting on Wartburg's bottom line until you actually know what you're talking about.  Wartburg just got completed a campaign that brought in $90 million dollars, some of which will be committed to the new facility.  Also, Wartburg won't be footing the entire bill, the city of Waverly is picking up some of the cost for the new Wartburg/Waverly Sports and Wellness Center.  Also, Wartburg's alums give generously enough that the school won't need to rely on enrollment (which has gone up every year for the last 11, by the way) to complete their financial obligations.
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I do actually know what I am talking about and it looks like you don't or being misinformed about what is really going on.  That $90 Mil. is already spoken for!  I will refer you back to Storm-what? for the answers to your other statements. 

Good Day!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 17, 2007, 02:09:03 PM
Indeed Hawksighting. Of that $90 million, about half of it won't even be realized for many years (pledges, trusts, etc). Much of the rest will go toward debt and/or trying to rebuild the endowment.

So, this campaign is great but it doesn't solve all problems. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 17, 2007, 02:33:56 PM
Quote from: Storm-what? on January 17, 2007, 09:30:13 AM
LOL you are crazy if you think Wartburg is not tuition driven! With an average endowment and a very high debt load, they (like every school except Grinnell) will be tuition driven for a LONG time! Record enrollment is great, but 3 of the past 6 years Wartburg has been negative on operating income. Put it this way, record enrollment is keeping WArtburg afloat, not surpassing any financial goals! Alumni giving is a drop in the bucket! There is a price for all of these buildings WArtburg is putting up. It's a gamble and they better hope that enrollment stays as strong as it has been. (including retention rates, which seem to be slipping).


I find it very interesting that you know so much about Wartburg's bottom line.  I'd be interested to know where you get your information.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 17, 2007, 04:40:06 PM
Mostly Wartburg's own website. A little from Fitch Financial group, a financial brokerage firm.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 17, 2007, 04:51:57 PM
From Fitch Financial: "Credit concerns include negative operating margins for three years of the past six years and a high debt burden. The primary revenue source for the college, representing 83.7% of fiscal 2005 revenue, is student-generated.

Wartburg's existing debt burden is high. For fiscal 2005, debt service consumed 9.1% of unrestricted revenues. The debt burden is above the Fitch 'BBB' median of 4.9%."

From Wartburg's own site, you can see they borrowed $50 million for the science and student centers. Their bond  rating then dropped to BBB-, one half step away from a junk bond, because of their high debt load.

Then they borrowed $35 million to build the wellness center. This debt went "unrated" which means it IS a junk bond, something most investors stear very clear of.

The article goes on to say:
Dr. A. Frank Thompson, professor of finance at UNI, had a more negative view of the bond ratings and the financial situation in general. "The perspective I have, for well-run businesses, anytime you get above 30 percent debt leverage, solvency may be impaired," he said. Thompson also mentioned that the large increase in debt was a concern and that "outside markets recognized that by rating Wartburg BBB-."

Negative operating margins also gave Thompson pause. Wartburg is "generating expenses very above what [they] have in the way of revenues, and that's a big danger," Thompson said.

Wartburg has also sold another set of unrated bonds worth $35 million to fund the construction of the new wellness center.

Thompson said unrated bonds can mean "serious financial difficulties on the horizon." He said the investing community typically sees unrated bonds as a sign that the institution holding them deems them "to be less than investment grade" and doesn't want to get a low rating.

"There's a lot of investors who are legally prohibited from investing in [junk bonds]," Fullwiler said.


http://public.wartburg.edu/trumpet/2006/feb20/commission.html
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 18, 2007, 12:17:43 AM
Most happy to see Brungard found his shot tonight at Simpson (22 points on 6-9 threes and 4-4 frees). I wasn't there, but that had to offset Kilburg's off night (5 points, 2 rebounds and 4 TOs before fouling out with 18 minutes of action). Another nice outing by Kuenstling (16 points, 13 rebounds, but only 3 assists). Who is this Jacobs kid? (10 points and 5 rebounds in 16 minutes!)

By the way, Coe beat Simpson 76-68.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 18, 2007, 01:05:21 AM
Storm What? - I'll give you that one.  I wasn't aware of that info about Wartburg's bond rating.  I would guess the rating will bounce back sometime in the future, but it may take a while.  Wartburg's been pretty aggressive about improving facilities over the past 10 years, though.  Between a new football/track complex, soccer fields, softball field, student union, science center, maintenance building, renovating a couple of buildings, a new library, and 2 new dorms, there's been a lot of dirt moved in Waverly since 1999, and that's not even counting the new Wellness Center.

That said, I think we should all take Charlie's cue and start talking basketball again.  Looks like Wartburg played a pretty good game, but couldn't get it done at Loras tonight.  I, for one, won't be sad to see the Loras Fieldhouse go, since Wartburg has never played particularly well there.  Was anyone at the game?  Box score says Wartburg scored 10 straight points to get within 1 with just over a minute to play, but there was no scoring from that point.  What happened?

I think this game is a big improvement for the Knights.  3 point attempts were as low as I've seen them all year (although 2-13 isn't a great percentage), they out-shot and out-rebounded Loras, and turned the ball over fewer times.  Still didn't get to the FT line all that much, but the difference was smaller than other games.  All that on the road at the IIAC leader, in an environment I'd guess was pretty hostile.  Hopefully this game, while not being a win, will get the Knights turned in the right direction.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 18, 2007, 07:47:50 AM
I will actually be a bit sad when Loras leaves their old fieldhouse.  While lacking in amenities and comfort.  It gave Loras one heck of a home court advantage with its atmosphere.  And I was never given a hard time while there watching UD. 

It seems we lost most of these types of buildings in Div. I 20-25 years ago, and now we will lose most of them in Div. III in the near future.  Even UD will leave their gym after this season. 

Oh yeah, and Dubuque lost at Cornell last night.  Apparently they haven't figured out the whole winning on the road thing yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on January 18, 2007, 11:38:07 AM
Couple of questions:
1. What is going on with Simpson?  They were a strong pick to finish in the top three in the conference.  They returned everyone from a pretty solid team last year, but are struggling mightily this year.  What is the deal?
2. Can anyone tell me why Thierny (sp) isn't playing very much for Cornell this year?  He had a real solid Frosh year last year and I was looking for him to play a big role for an improved Rams team this season.  I noticed that he is playing every once and a while but for no significant minutes.  I am guessing he is battling through an injury, but I would be interested to hear anything else about his circumstances.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 18, 2007, 11:58:58 AM
Hope no one out here has Wartburg bonds.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 20, 2007, 05:41:23 PM
Loras @ Dubuque 38-38 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 20, 2007, 06:45:38 PM
Final score Loras 88-73 over Dubuque
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 21, 2007, 01:58:51 AM
Our long, national nightmare is over:  Wartburg beats Luther for first IIAC win.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 21, 2007, 09:58:30 PM
sorry to see wartburg stuggling right now-

also did anyone think that maybe these new facilities are helping the enrollment occur and the future value of the dollars spent now will be evened out with the inflow of newere students attracted by these facilities
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on January 21, 2007, 10:15:00 PM
Wow the DuHawks really have it rolling now.....is the league that down this year for them to coast to 8-0?  What are the predictions for the second half of the year?  Wartburg on a turn a round with a win over Luther? 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 21, 2007, 10:36:20 PM
From what I heard from the UD webcast.  Loras plays well as a team.  A bunch of unselfish players that really understand each other and are well coached.  4 starters average scoring in double figures with none averaging more than 12.5 points per game.  That is spreading the wealth about as evenly as you can. 

My hunch is Loras continues to play well but won't go the rest of the way undefeated.  I think Wartburg starts to put things together and strings a few wins together.  Dubuque flirts with .500 in the conference and takes it till the final week to determine if they make the conference tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 21, 2007, 10:51:59 PM
If I remember right, there have been a couple of times in the past 4 seasons or so that Loras started the year out very well, but faded in February to finish around 3rd or 4th in the league.  Not saying that'll happen again this year, but there is a historical precedent.

Not having seen anyone but Wartburg play so far this year, I really can't guess what'll happen in the 2nd half.  I think Wartburg is righting the ship with the close loss at Loras and the W over Luther.  If the Knights get rolling, they could build up some momentum and be a tough team to beat come conference tourney time.  Other than that, I doesn't really seem like there are any teams besides Loras that really want the IIAC title.  Coe losing to Central, BV faltering a couple times, Simpson again not playing up to potential.  Who know what'll happen.  BV is still a pretty young team, but there aren't many coaches better in late February and March than VH.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 22, 2007, 11:35:47 AM
I think Loras will lose a few but still take the title this year. Kind of surprising to me, saw them play at Simpson in December, they were good but I certainly didn't peg them for winning the conference.

Penn- Wartburg is already at record enrollment and putting students in hotels. How many additional students do you think they can take and still maintain quality? At some point you have to consider the law of diminishing returns.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on January 22, 2007, 12:46:04 PM
yeah that is true-are they really putting students in hotels? maybe what they need to invest in is a new hotel in the area then haha
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 22, 2007, 02:01:31 PM
Quote from: pennstghs on January 22, 2007, 12:46:04 PM
are they really putting students in hotels?

Uh, no.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 22, 2007, 04:51:36 PM
Sportsknight, really, no? the Wartburg Trumpet says otherwise!

It says in addition to putting 3 people in rooms made for 2, and converting lounges into "rooms", that the college worked with the Red Fox Inn to house students there indefinitely. Hey, it's great to have record enrollment- I'm just saying it comes at a cost.

http://public.wartburg.edu/trumpet/2002/sep23/news2.html


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 22, 2007, 05:05:15 PM
Ahh, I may have to partially recant that link. I have it on good authority that Wartburg does or did indeed house students in the hotel, but that article goes on to say that while they offered that option, no students were willing to do it at that time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 22, 2007, 07:50:35 PM
Bingo.  I reported that story for our campus TV station.  While Wartburg had worked out a deal w/ the Red Fox (which has since been sold by the way), the plan was never put into place.

Wartburg's dorms are overcrowded right now, there's no denying that.  People living in lounges and above capacity in dorm rooms is rough, but I doubt Wartburg is the only place it happens.  And if the college relaxed its policy on living off campus, things would quickly balance out.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2007, 03:15:41 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 22, 2007, 07:50:35 PM
Bingo.  I reported that story for our campus TV station.  While Wartburg had worked out a deal w/ the Red Fox (which has since been sold by the way), the plan was never put into place.

The Wartburg students didn't want to live there because the front yard was full of scrap metal and the proprietor was a big dummy. Living there would be enough to give someone a heart attack.

"Oh, no! This is it! This is the big one! Elizabeth, I'm comin' to join ya, honey!"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 04:34:12 AM
Oof. I wonder if anyone here gets that. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 23, 2007, 04:37:17 AM
They will if they ever had a big bowl of menudo in El Segundo. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 23, 2007, 08:15:00 AM
The story you linked was from 2002 before the new dorm was built. That alleviated much of the overcrowding problem when they doubled the size of "new" Grossman.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 23, 2007, 08:35:18 AM
I couldn't find the date in the article, but I do see it now in the URL. Back to the original point- WArtburg is at capaticy already, (and still operating at a loss), is $80 mil for new buildings worth it? Maybe so, I suppose ol Jack gets paid the big bucks to make that decision for a reason.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 23, 2007, 01:22:13 PM
Anyone who's used the old facilities can answer that question.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 23, 2007, 02:12:36 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 04:34:12 AM
Oof. I wonder if anyone here gets that. :)

That'd be a "Sanford and Son" reference, you big dummy. ;)

Also, never heard good things about the Red Fox when I was in Waverly.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 23, 2007, 02:22:18 PM
Oh, no doubt, I got it -- but it took 10 hours before anyone else did. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on January 23, 2007, 07:22:23 PM
An old guy seeking some information.  So what's with the Kohawks?  I watched them beat the University of Chicago and now they are struggling to be .500.
How about some comments from all you IIAC pundits as to why?  Are they at risk of not making the conference tournament?  And, Loras, too.  Why and how are they undefeated?  I watched them lose to Mt. Mercy and Aurora, and now they are on undefeated.  Why? How?  Will the Duhawks win the IIAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 24, 2007, 12:53:19 AM
The Kohawks aren't on the border of getting in the Tournament.  They picked up a big win over rival Cornell tonight and are above .500 in the conference.  With road losses at Central and at Buena Vista, the Kohawks will look to avenge them later this season when they come to Eby.  With their win tonight, they are right back in the thick of things and two more this weekend really helps their cause.

As far as the Duhawks, they really seem to be finding ways to win the close games.  Three of their nine conference wins have been by 1 or 2 points.  Any of those go the other way, and who knows what things are looking like.

With Wartburg winning a few games, who knows how this whole thing is going to shake out...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 24, 2007, 02:47:32 AM
There's no koncern in Kohawk Kountry (with a tip of the fedora to Willie U). With tonight's win, they're in third place, two losses ahead of Simpson and within a game of Central and BV in the conference race. Loras' 9-0 mark defies explanation, but Coe is 11-5 overall, two wins behind the Duhawks and second in the IIAC. Wins over the Lutherans Friday night and the Spartans on Saturday (both at home) will paint a clearer picture.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 24, 2007, 10:25:31 AM
Sounds like Wartbug dominated SC on every level last night- shot better, shot more free throws, rebounded better, shut down all the major players for the Storm. I don't necessarily take this as a sign that Wartburg is on the up and up-could just be that the Storm are continuing on the same path they have been all season- up and down up and down.

StormE- where is the expert analysis? Are you still going to argue that this Storm team is not inconsistent? I know you're friends with these guys so it's probably hard to see. There is no excuse for at least half of the losses they have had this year. Where is the leadership?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 24, 2007, 10:43:07 AM
I don't think it is any coincidence that since Franzen tranferred in and started to figure things out, Wartburg lost to the conference leaders by 1 and won the next 2 somewhat easily. Its nice to have a 6'6 big man to help out.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: knightlife06 on January 24, 2007, 11:36:52 AM
Good win by the Knights last night.  Hopefully they can continue to ride the win streak for a while and get into the conference tourney.  Sounds like the boys are coming together nicely.

On a side note, it was hard to listen to the game last night.  The radio guys weren't exactly J. Gav and Tubby.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 24, 2007, 01:58:24 PM
Quote from: knightlife06 on January 24, 2007, 11:36:52 AM
Good win by the Knights last night.  Hopefully they can continue to ride the win streak for a while and get into the conference tourney.  Sounds like the boys are coming together nicely.

On a side note, it was hard to listen to the game last night.  The radio guys weren't exactly J. Gav and Tubby.

What can I say, we have big shoes (and waistlines) to fill.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StormE on January 24, 2007, 06:19:49 PM
I haven't denied that there has been inconsistent play by the Storm this year, but I DID think they were going to straighten out.  In fact, they did end up reaching .500, but they have been "up and down." The absence of Soppe the last few games is an obvious problem.  In the 20-pt Cornell win Lyndon Hawkins had a career night to pick up the slack and there was a lot of scoring help from the bench, but I wouldn't expect that to happen very often.  The difference in the last game vs Wartburg was that the Knights hit their threes, unlike the first matchup, as well as having a lot more chances at the free-throw line due to an unevenly called game. 

The question about leadership is a good one.  Hittenmiller is a consistent scorer, but Parkinson has been dropping off the last few games.  While some may judge leadership as getting 18+ points every night, I think it is very evident that Simpson looks their best when they have a balanced scoring attack.  The Central and Cornell game showed that.  It seems to me that the seniors lead by example plenty on the court, in knowing where they need to be and what their roles are as well as the roles of the younger kids.  But if anyone steps out of their roles, tries to do too much or gets flustered, and/or dumps the ball to the shooters and expects them to win it for the team, it puts a lot of pressure on them and the team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on January 25, 2007, 12:29:40 PM
I think a point of concern for the conferece so far is the fact that the officials seem to be taking the post game away in the IIAC.  This year there have been more offensive fouls in the post, before the ball is entered, than I have ever seen. 

Post play has always been a staple in this conference and I dont like the fact that teams are becoming hesistant to go inside for fear of drawing fouls.  The defensive fouls in the post have also increased this season (at least it appears that way to me).   

Is this something that other people have noticed too?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on January 25, 2007, 12:32:27 PM
Quote from: StormE on January 24, 2007, 06:19:49 PM
The absence of Soppe the last few games is an obvious problem.

The injury to Soppe hurts, but the Storm weren't exactly jelling before he went down. Their inconsistancy has been maddening all season long.  It also doesnt help that SC has ran the same offensive sets for the last couple of years.  I am sure other conference coaches have picked up on that as much as the fans have.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 25, 2007, 03:50:56 PM
Granted- it's not great losing Soppe but I agree- we wasn't doing a ton for the team and certainly not living up to his potential. He played as well his freshmen year as he did this year. And I would say the same is ALMOST true for Parkinson and Hittenmiller- although Hitt has been doing pretty good lately. None of them are 4 years better that is for sure.

To me, a leader can motivate, play hard and most of all pick their team up when they are falling apart or getting shaky. Bascially, settle them down, get them back into their element. No one is doing that for the Storm right now. I also believe it's important to set an example off the court- be someone other players respect enough to follow. While they may be fun to party with, not sure any of those 3 have that quality (my knowledge on that is 2nd hand for the most part- though I have seen at least 2 of 3 three drunk off their a$$e$ in public places- during the day- a possible sign of immaturity and lack of respect for authority) I don't REALLY know of any those 3 personally- but I don't see any of them having the heart to be a great leader for the team.... in my humble opinion.

I still believe the team has potential- they will surprise a few people yet this year and they do have some nice talent in the younger players.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 26, 2007, 12:52:23 PM
Picks for this week:
Simpson over Central- huge toss up so I'll go with the pride.
Coe over Luther
BV over Cornell
and the last one is really tough. I'm going to sat UD over Wwartburg but  Idon't feel very confident.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: S Carter on January 26, 2007, 04:31:48 PM
Central will get this one...... ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 26, 2007, 04:46:06 PM
Nah! Central wants it but the Storm are hyped up from the ceremony tonight and will kill em again!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 26, 2007, 10:45:57 PM
Simpson beats Central, 74-57 to hit .500 for conference play.

Central tried to string together a late run but they were just a little behind all game. Soppe looks like he hurting a little.

Simpson women dominate the Dutch by 50 points. Big game against Luther tomorrow.

Good job Storm! Always nice to have a W over the Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 27, 2007, 12:34:23 AM
Wartburg men lose to Dubuque tonight.  First time since December of 1999.  13 in a row Wartburg had won over the Spartans until tonight.  Looks like the Knights took a step back from the progress they had been making in the Loras and Simpson games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 27, 2007, 01:48:48 AM
Big win for UD tonight..I was on that last UD team to beat WB, good to see I lived to see them beat them again!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 27, 2007, 09:16:12 PM
And UD follows up their big win over Wartburg losing at Coe 71-56. 

Dubuque was up 33-27 at half...a tale of two halves I guess you could say. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 29, 2007, 05:28:37 PM
Coe's Mike Kilburg was named IIAC Player of the Week for his outstanding performances in the Kohawks three wins this week.  Two more wins this week and the Kohawks are back in the hunt for the title!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 30, 2007, 12:11:20 AM
Quote from: keith45 on January 27, 2007, 01:48:48 AM
Big win for UD tonight..I was on that last UD team to beat WB, good to see I lived to see them beat them again!

Keith, would you have played with a couple of young punks by the names of Eric Hawkins and Jack Leighty?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 30, 2007, 10:11:27 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 30, 2007, 12:11:20 AM
Quote from: keith45 on January 27, 2007, 01:48:48 AM
Big win for UD tonight..I was on that last UD team to beat WB, good to see I lived to see them beat them again!

Keith, would you have played with a couple of young punks by the names of Eric Hawkins and Jack Leighty?

Yes I did..Jack"Speedy" Leighty is coaching somewhere in nowhere Iowa and I haven't seen Hawkins in a while...How do you know them
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on January 30, 2007, 12:09:23 PM
I believe ole Leighty is still the girl's coach at Anamosa.
The last I saw Hawkins was playing in a basketball tourney with him at Midland 2 years ago. I think he was in Iowa City.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cg25 on January 30, 2007, 01:57:04 PM
Did I hear a Jack Leighty?    KP,  what's going on man?   Go to Texas and see Farley's kid!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 30, 2007, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: keith45 on January 30, 2007, 10:11:27 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 30, 2007, 12:11:20 AM
Quote from: keith45 on January 27, 2007, 01:48:48 AM
Big win for UD tonight..I was on that last UD team to beat WB, good to see I lived to see them beat them again!

Keith, would you have played with a couple of young punks by the names of Eric Hawkins and Jack Leighty?

Yes I did..Jack"Speedy" Leighty is coaching somewhere in nowhere Iowa and I haven't seen Hawkins in a while...How do you know them

Went to high school with Hawk.  He played with one of my cousins and, to this day is the only guy I've ever met that can touch his knee without bending over.  Freakish wingspan on that dude. 
Jack Sh*t, as we called him, coached freshman ball at my alma mater for a couple years and coached my brother at one point.  Went to Corwith-Wesley-Luverne for a couple years before getting the job at Anamosa, but I don't think he's there anymore.  Edit:  Just checked my handy IHSAA Directory and he is still there.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 31, 2007, 01:17:05 AM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on January 29, 2007, 05:28:37 PM
Coe's Mike Kilburg was named IIAC Player of the Week for his outstanding performances in the Kohawks three wins this week.  Two more wins this week and the Kohawks are back in the hunt for the title!
Kudos to Kilburg, but are the Kohawks really playing five games this week? That's Krazy!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 31, 2007, 09:13:58 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 30, 2007, 02:30:06 PM
Quote from: keith45 on January 30, 2007, 10:11:27 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 30, 2007, 12:11:20 AM
Quote from: keith45 on January 27, 2007, 01:48:48 AM
Big win for UD tonight..I was on that last UD team to beat WB, good to see I lived to see them beat them again!

Keith, would you have played with a couple of young punks by the names of Eric Hawkins and Jack Leighty?

Yes I did..Jack"Speedy" Leighty is coaching somewhere in nowhere Iowa and I haven't seen Hawkins in a while...How do you know them

Went to high school with Hawk.  He played with one of my cousins and, to this day is the only guy I've ever met that can touch his knee without bending over.  Freakish wingspan on that dude. 
Jack Sh*t, as we called him, coached freshman ball at my alma mater for a couple years and coached my brother at one point.  Went to Corwith-Wesley-Luverne for a couple years before getting the job at Anamosa, but I don't think he's there anymore.  Edit:  Just checked my handy IHSAA Directory and he is still there.

We called Jack speedy, cuz he was the slowest dude I have ever met..I think he breathed slow as well..I saw him at homecoming, still looks the same
Hawk was there my junior or senior year..that kid had all the ability and natural gifts in the world, but I think Coach Elbe took a lot of what little confidence he had...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 31, 2007, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: cg25 on January 30, 2007, 01:57:04 PM
Did I hear a Jack Leighty?    KP,  what's going on man?   Go to Texas and see Farley's kid!!
Grim dawg, whats up..I aint going to Texas, its too crazy down there..plus Farley's wife sends more photos of that kid than anyone I know..I have morepictures of his kid than I do of mine! You talk to Dew lately, I think he has a few big things going on, coaching wise
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cg25 on January 31, 2007, 05:09:18 PM
Quote from: keith45 on January 31, 2007, 09:15:17 AM
Quote from: cg25 on January 30, 2007, 01:57:04 PM
Did I hear a Jack Leighty?    KP,  what's going on man?   Go to Texas and see Farley's kid!!
Grim dawg, whats up..I aint going to Texas, its too crazy down there..plus Farley's wife sends more photos of that kid than anyone I know..I have morepictures of his kid than I do of mine! You talk to Dew lately, I think he has a few big things going on, coaching wise

I would send more pics, but it costs more money.   Had to give up coaching track (I relocated).  It was fun having my junior high kids run 50 flat 400s and 11 flat 100s.   My old coaching position was at Dew's old school.  I haven't heard from Dew in a LONG TIME!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 31, 2007, 10:40:27 PM
BV takes down the Dutch tonight, 87-66.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StormE on January 31, 2007, 10:49:04 PM
Simpson falls at Loras 70-58
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 31, 2007, 11:12:51 PM
Dubuque beats Cornell 74-63
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 31, 2007, 11:21:27 PM
Coe beats Wartburg 82-60. Kuenstling states his case for MVP with 21 points and 14 boards. No OT required this time as Coe sweeps the season series with the Knights. I know they're having a down year, but they're still fun to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 02, 2007, 09:07:16 AM
Big ras'lin win for Wartburg over Augsburg last night. #2 over #1.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 02, 2007, 10:01:25 AM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 02, 2007, 09:07:16 AM
Big ras'lin win for Wartburg over Augsburg last night. #2 over #1.

And that was AT Augsburg.  Great win for the Knights.

Edit:  My wife is taking the kids to her parents saturday so I get to go to Cedar Falls to watch Dubuque take on Wartburg at the West Gym.  I haven't seen an IIAC game since probably 1992 or maybe 1993.  I am looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 02, 2007, 11:15:05 AM
The atmosphere at the west gym will be less than inpsiring. Don't set your sites too high.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: knightlife06 on February 02, 2007, 11:42:49 AM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 02, 2007, 11:15:05 AM
The atmosphere at the west gym will be less than inpsiring. Don't set your sites too high.

I don't know, it's Blackout Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 02, 2007, 11:55:26 AM
Quote from: knightlife06 on February 02, 2007, 11:42:49 AM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 02, 2007, 11:15:05 AM
The atmosphere at the west gym will be less than inpsiring. Don't set your sites too high.

I don't know, it's Blackout Saturday.

Does that mean if I wear blue someone will knock my lights out!!! :o

Even if the atmosphere is less than inspiring I look forward to this.  The IIAC...or Div. III in general is fun to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: knightlife06 on February 02, 2007, 03:28:22 PM
may want to watch your back
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on February 02, 2007, 03:44:18 PM
I've got your back doolittle. I'll have my blue on too. Bring on the Knights. >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 02, 2007, 08:28:21 PM
A couple of big games tomorrow.  Kohawks vs. Beavers battling for the #2 spot and Spartans and Knights battling for their playoff lives...what's everyone's thoughts on the games?

I'm taking:

Coe
Dubuque
Loras
Cornell
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StormE on February 03, 2007, 06:47:25 PM
Simpson has their best offensive night (next to the Grinnell game) with six players scoring in double figures, as the Storm win at Cornell 92-78!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 03, 2007, 09:35:28 PM
Big win for the Kohawks today!!! 59-56 over BV.  Jumped out to a 24-6 lead to start the game. 

Five Straight wins and looking for more next week...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2007, 09:38:36 PM
Wartburg wins at home (well 20 miles from anyway) over Dubuque 69-63.

The refs  called a consistant game.  Both teams suffered from bad calls I thought.  It seemed to me that whoever had the ball was sure to be called for an offensive foul.  Is this normal for the league or just this group of refs???  I'm not sure I've seen that many offensive foul calls in my lifetime much less one game, but maybe I don't really pay attention anymore with the little ones running around and what not.  

WH was right.  Not a whole lot of atmoshere.  A small group of students and what seemed to be like a group of local alumni getting out to see a game that is closer to home than normal.  Dinner afterwards at Mulligans with my Dad, uncle, and a friend...we all were allowed out today by our wives, so all in all we had a fun time out.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on February 05, 2007, 05:09:07 PM
A question to the basketball pundits on this board....does the IIAC conference tourney include the top 4 team or all teams?  Also, are the teams seeded by season's record or by coach's seeding?  Any predictions on team seeding at this point?  Eager to see if Loras can hold on to the momentum or does Coe and/or BV come roaring back into play...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 05, 2007, 05:55:26 PM
Top six teams make the tourny....#1 and #2 get first round byes...seeds are based on regular season conference standings.  If the Kohawks go 3-0 on the week and Loras goes 1-2, then Coe has a chance. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on February 05, 2007, 11:03:15 PM
Looking at the schedule, I don't see any way my Knights will make it to the conference playoff.  :-[   :'( 

So, in my best Cub Fan fashion I say, "Just wait until next year!"   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 06, 2007, 11:19:10 PM
Even with a couple of shake ups tonight, I don't see Loras losing its lead.

History suggests that you just hope you don't end up on BV's side of the bracket come conference tournament time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 06, 2007, 11:35:04 PM
I never expected Wartburg would be the team to knock off Loras, but hats off to the Knights. Meanwhile, in Mount Vernon, Cornell scored first, the toilet paper flew, and Coe mopped up from there, cruising to the 33-point victory. Big night for Brungard with 20 points and Kilburg was a man among boys during the 14 minutes the officials let him play. The most glaring stat I saw was Coe going 12-12 at the free-throw line. The Kohawks were shooting just 64% from the line coming in, second to last in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 07, 2007, 09:25:36 AM
Didnt see Simspon rising up to knock of BV either!

Tough weekend ahead for the Duhawks......cross-town rival on Friday, then the red-hot Kohawks on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: knightlife06 on February 07, 2007, 09:35:23 AM
Does anyone know how the tie-breakers work in regards to who gets in the tournament?  With the win last night it appears the Knights have a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 07, 2007, 09:57:07 AM
This win will help if it is like it used to be. Head to head is first (after record of course) then victories against higher teams in the conf. If Loras finishes at the top of the conference and Wartburg is tied with someone that they split with, Wartburg will get the nod because of beating a first-place Loras team.
Boy I didn't think after several 20-win seasons I'd ever be talking about Wartburg looking at a tie breaker to make the conference tourney ???
Shows how fast things can change.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 07, 2007, 02:29:36 PM
If the Knights win out and tie with DBQ or Central, Wartburg will have split with both teams, in which case it goes to the tie breaker, which if I remember right, would give Wartburg the nod via their win over Loras.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 07, 2007, 03:22:12 PM
So right now with 2 games left, we are looking at anything from possibly not making the tourney, to a 5 seed. Sure would be nice to win out and assure ourselves a spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 07, 2007, 03:29:38 PM
i have a question for the wartburg fans, how many seats is their new gym going to seat. i used to live in waverly till 8th grade and now i live and currently attend wittenberg university-not a bad jump in athletics as both are pretty good.

also, is waverly-shell rock high school getting a new gym as well?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 07, 2007, 06:57:51 PM
Far as I know, WSR is not getting a new gym.  I'm pretty sure the new Knights Gym will hold 1800.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on February 08, 2007, 07:10:51 AM
I'm glad to see my fellow Knight fans are holding out hope.  Unfortunately the teams competing for the last spot in the playoffs get to play four more games.  The Knights only play two.  The others have more chances to pick up the wins they need to get in.  We lead the league in losses so the win column is the only one we need to watch,
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 08, 2007, 10:33:45 AM
Well if we win out, beating Central and Cornell, that puts us at 6-10 in the league and Cornell would have 10 losses. Cornell then has road games at BV and Loras that if they miraculously win those games, they deserve to be in. End the season at home against Luther.
Luther has Coe left so that should get them to 10 losses as well. After that game, no wins over Central, BV, or Cornell will trump our win over Loras so that makes us a 7 seed.
Central and UD will battle it out for the 5 seed as I see it on the 10th and Luther and Cornell will battle for the last spot on the 17th. Both games for the Knights this weekend are HUGE and I will be clad in orange and taking over the west gym on Saturday and I know several bball alums who had very much success will be watching from the stands in Pella on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 08, 2007, 02:09:31 PM
Pennstghs + Sportsknight -
Yes W-SR is building a new gym + auditorium.
http://www.waverly-shellrock.k12.ia.us/HS%20Expansion%20Plan%2005.pdf.
Was to be done before b-ball season STARTED this year but didn't make it on time. Too bad because Vette can play. 

The Wartburg performance gym will seat about 1800 depending how many are WH, Sportknight or ALN's size.

I say the Knights make the tourney. They're getting this home away from home thing down.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 08, 2007, 04:16:39 PM
I think Dubuque might end up the odd team out here.  Dubuque ends with 3 of 4 on the road and they haven't won a conference game away from home this season.  Their one home game is against BV, so you can't say that would be easy either. 

Then again supposedly Dubuque has finished with a better record every year since McDermot got there and they went 6-10 in conference last year.  7-9 this year would certainly put them in.  Just finishing 2-2 with the schedule in front of them seems a bit optimistic. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 08, 2007, 06:02:45 PM
I think with their 5 wins they are in. I don't see Luther or Cornell splitting their last 4.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on February 09, 2007, 09:19:10 AM
UD and Central game on the 10th is huge...maybe the Spartans can overtake Loras tonight at the fieldhouse, happened last year, and ultimately led to the downfall of the DuHawks. Will Loras start their normal end of the year collapse following the Wartburg loss...we shall see...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 09, 2007, 11:22:46 PM
No surprises tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 10, 2007, 08:53:34 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 09, 2007, 11:22:46 PM
No surprises tonight.

No surprises for the outcomes.  Although hearing Dubuque up 10 at the half while scoring 42 points...then losing by 6 and only scoring 24 in the second half is a bit frustrating.  Not surprised at the final score...just surprised at how they got there...but that is the beauty of basketball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 10, 2007, 08:57:12 AM
Pretty simple tonight-The Knights win and they are in, lose and its going to take some help from Luther. Yikes :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 10, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 10, 2007, 08:57:12 AM
Pretty simple tonight-The Knights win and they are in, lose and its going to take some help from Luther. Yikes :-[

I could be wrong, but how can Wartburg clinch tonight?  this is their last game, so with a win they would be 5-11 in the conference, while Dubuque and Central both have two games left after tonight.  Wouldn't Wartburg need to win and hope that Central and Dubuque lose out?  Here are the standings as of right now:

X-Loras            12-1  16-6
X-Coe              10-3  17-5
X-Buena Vista  9-4   14-7
X-Simpson        8-6   15-8
Central             6-7    9-12
Dubuque          5-8   11-11
Wartburg         4-11  10-14
Cornell             3-10  7-15
Luther              3-10  5-17
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on February 10, 2007, 08:41:32 PM
Loras wins the regular season conference title. I don't think they folded.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 10, 2007, 09:31:27 PM
Congrats to the Duhawks for winning the conference title tonight.  It was too bad the refs only let Kilburg play for nine minutes of the 40 played....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 11, 2007, 12:36:46 AM
Nine minutes! You've got to be kidding me. I wasn't there, but I've seen enough of Coe's games this year to conclude that the officials have targeted Mike Kilburg. It's not his fault that he's bigger and better than everyone else. Let 'em play man. Someone needs to remind IIAC officials that NOBODY comes to watch them.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 11, 2007, 03:04:23 AM
In the nine minutes that he played, he was 3-3 from the field and 1-2 at the line.  7 points in nine minutes, not bad until you add in the five fouls.  Two of the five fouls were even called after the play had developed...here's to two wins next week and a #2 seed in the tourny...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 11, 2007, 03:24:05 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 11, 2007, 12:36:46 AM
Let 'em play man. Someone needs to remind IIAC officials that NOBODY comes to watch them.

That's what I thought when I watched the UD/Wartburg game.  Neither team was able to ever get into a rythem because pretty much every trip down court resulted in a foul call.  More often than not an offensive foul call.  Neither team was allowed to "let 'em play"  They weren't allowed to play like men at all. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 11, 2007, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 11, 2007, 12:36:46 AM
I've seen enough of Coe's games this year to conclude that the officials have targeted Mike Kilburg.

Wow, must have been a rule change in the conference that they're calling fouls on guys just for being taller than other players.  Just a damn shame that these IIAC refs hate Mike Kilburg so much.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 11, 2007, 07:41:26 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on February 10, 2007, 12:42:07 PM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 10, 2007, 08:57:12 AM
Pretty simple tonight-The Knights win and they are in, lose and its going to take some help from Luther. Yikes :-[

I could be wrong, but how can Wartburg clinch tonight?  this is their last game, so with a win they would be 5-11 in the conference, while Dubuque and Central both have two games left after tonight.  Wouldn't Wartburg need to win and hope that Central and Dubuque lose out?  Here are the standings as of right now:

X-Loras            12-1  16-6
X-Coe              10-3  17-5
X-Buena Vista  9-4   14-7
X-Simpson        8-6   15-8
Central             6-7    9-12
Dubuque          5-8   11-11
Wartburg         4-11  10-14
Cornell             3-10  7-15
Luther              3-10  5-17

8 teams get in right? Luther and Cornell play the last night of the season and one is going to have to lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 11, 2007, 07:47:03 PM
My bad, Didn't realize only 6 teams got in. That makes more sense than just leaving 1 team out.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on February 12, 2007, 12:22:27 AM
WH & SK:

No basketball news. 

Wanted to let you know Little Warthog and spouse passed the boards.  ;D

They celebrated in Madison this weekend with a former Trumpet editor.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 12, 2007, 09:21:08 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 11, 2007, 02:38:53 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 11, 2007, 12:36:46 AM
I've seen enough of Coe's games this year to conclude that the officials have targeted Mike Kilburg.

Wow, must have been a rule change in the conference that they're calling fouls on guys just for being taller than other players.  Just a damn shame that these IIAC refs hate Mike Kilburg so much.

I think that I picked up in the sarcasm there, but as someone who saw the Loras/Coe game I can tell you honestly, it seemed the referees have targeted Kilburg throughout the season.  There were at least two calls that I thought were very suspect. 

One, he got called for a foul when he was no where near the play.  Kuenstling was clearly the one that committed the foul (and it was clearly a foul) but the ref came running from under the basket with his hand up, looked back, and then signalled Kilburg for his 4th foul. 

The other call was nearly as awkward.......Kilburg took what looked like a charge about 15 feet from the basket.  When contact was made both the trail and underneath officials blew their whistles and called fouls, only the trail called a charge and the underneath called a block.  For some reason the underneath guy took charge of the convo and over-ruled and Kilburg was done.

Now I am not saying that Kilburg playing 30 minutes would have been the difference.  Loras's second half defense took control of the game.  I am just going to argue that it doesnt seem right that the best player in the conference is getting called for playing the exact same way he did last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 13, 2007, 08:26:29 AM
This is great!  Conspiracy theory in the IIAC!

I was curious how Fogleman sometimes ended up in foul trouble too, but it's obvious now...he's 6'5" and 270 lbs.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 14, 2007, 06:45:15 PM
Good luck to everyone in tonights IIAC games. 

I mentioned listening to the UD game over the internet to my wife and for some reason she nixed that idea.  Something about a romantic meal tonight...I wonder what that could be about??? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: knightlife06 on February 14, 2007, 07:15:45 PM
I got to see this dunk in person last night.  It is one of the best collegiate dunks I've seen.  Just thought I'd let you all get a chance to see it. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUKb3k1IhDM
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StormE on February 14, 2007, 10:48:10 PM
Simpson comes from behind early at Coe, wins a great game 78-73!!  The Storm continue to build their confidence heading into the tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2007, 07:56:24 AM
Double OT loss for Dubuque at home against BV.  Next up is Simpson on the road.

I am thinking Wartburg feels pretty good about things at the moment.  With their win over Loras I believe that would give them the tie breaker over Dubuque if those two schools end with 5-11 conference records. 

On another note, I understand a conference tourney if you dont play a balanced schedule.  Like in the Big 12 or Big 10 you don't play everyone else home and away.  A conference tourney makes sense in that case.  But in the IIAC where everyone plays each other home and away, to me you should crown the team that did the best over those 16 games.  If a team goes 15-1 during the season and then loses to a team that went 10-6 and the team that goes 10-6 gets the NCAA invite at the expense of the team that went 15-1 just doesnt seem right.  But then again I am an old grumpy fart. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 15, 2007, 08:49:58 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 15, 2007, 07:56:24 AM


On another note, I understand a conference tourney if you dont play a balanced schedule.  Like in the Big 12 or Big 10 you don't play everyone else home and away.  A conference tourney makes sense in that case.  But in the IIAC where everyone plays each other home and away, to me you should crown the team that did the best over those 16 games.  If a team goes 15-1 during the season and then loses to a team that went 10-6 and the team that goes 10-6 gets the NCAA invite at the expense of the team that went 15-1 just doesnt seem right.  But then again I am an old grumpy fart. 
Wartburg would have taken that situation the past few years, but BV is always a great tourney team. IMO it rewards teams that get hot at the end of the year. For instance, say the champ loses 3 of its last 4 or something and then gets knocked out in first round. The 10-6 team ended the season winning 5 in a row and then 3 in the tourney. Who would you rather have representing the IIAC in the NCAA tourney?
A team like Simpson right now if they win the tourney no doubt deserves the bid, same as BV.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2007, 06:30:20 PM
Yeah, I see your point.  There was a year I was at UD where they started the year I believe 4-9 overall then won their last 13 to finish 17-9.  Their average margin of victory over that span was 20 points.  They ended up 1 game behind Wartburg for the conference title and Wartburg got the NCAA bid and Dubuque stayed home.  I'm thinking you would have found quite a few UD fans that year that would have loved to see a post season tourney.

It would be nice if the regular season champ plus the tourney champ would always get in but that just doesn't always happen. 

I think I'm coming around to your "team currently playing the best" theory
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 15, 2007, 11:07:56 PM
Great article in today's Dubuque Telegraph Herald about the closing of the Loras Fieldhouse.

You could really have a good argument over whether the Fieldhouse or Wartburg's Knights Gym were the best home-court advantage during their day.  Both venues have (I supposed I should use the word "had")their own charms.  Fans right on the court in both places, antiquated architecture, etc.  Loras' house was older, but Wartburg's saw more success.

For me, I have some pretty great memories of both.  I have many more from Knights Gym, obviously, but the Fieldhouse was the first place I ever called play-by-play for a basketball game and is, to date, the only venue I've ever been kicked out of.  Unless you count Joe's KnightHawk.

Anyway, here's the link:  http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=148126
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 17, 2007, 11:43:44 AM
Wartburg's season in the balance tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 17, 2007, 09:54:29 PM
And Wartburg gets that 6th seed.  I saw this coming.  I think Dubuque will be looking back at their 4 point loss at Luther, their 2ot loss at home to BV, and giving up a 10 point halftime lead at Loras as big games.  Find a way to win just one of those three and they make the tourney. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 17, 2007, 11:29:18 PM
As much as I like seeing Wartburg get in, I think Dubuque could make a case for being more deserving of being in the tournament.  Wartburg has been an up and mostly down team this year, and Dubuque caught a rough point in the schedule at the wrong time.  Did they have their chances to make it happen?  Definitely.  But the schedule didn't do them any favors.

I kinda feel for Coach McDermott, Thomas, and Daugherty.  The coaching staff at UD has done everything in their power to get a decent supporting cast these past few years, but nothing has ever panned out.  You put a tandem like Thomas and Daugherty on any other team in the league and that team is easily in the conference tourney.

I also think this is a good time to debate whether the change to a 6-team tournament was really the best decision.  If you really want to give everyone a chance at the AQ (and if that wasn't the goal of the tournament, then why wouldn't they go off of reg. season record), they leaving more teams out of the tournament isn't the best way to get that goal accomplished.  I always liked the 8-team format, even if it did leave just one team out.  Do we really need to be incredibly sympathetic to that last place team?  I most situations, the coach of that team would probably argue that his team didn't deserve to be in the tourney.

I'd be in favor of exploring the possibility of including all 9 teams in the league tournament.  You could make it work out, schedule-wise.  Have the final regular season games done by the Friday before the tournament.  Have the two bottom teams in the league play on Monday night.  Quarterfinals on Wednesday (1 seed vs. 8/9 winner, 4 vs 5, 3 vs. 6, and 2 vs. 7).  Semifinals on Friday, and Championship game either Saturday night of Sunday afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 18, 2007, 07:12:26 AM
I think there are good arguments for and against 9,8, or 6 teams for the conference tourney. 

9 teams make it because you want everyone to have a chance at the AQ.  The down side is that is a lot of games in a short period of time.  But then again I think the players would like all the games they can get, especially the seniors.

8 teams make it and everyone gets in but the last place team.  That gives you a fight to avoid last place.  8 teams makes it a bit easier to schedule than 9.  Plus it keeps the teams at the bottom of the table interested as the season goes on because you don't want to finish in last place.  Something that wouldn't happen if all 9 make it in. 

6 teams make it in and it's still 2 of 3 make it.  You reward the top 2 teams for their good season by giving them a first round bye.  By leaving 3 teams out you really get a dog fight going for those final couple spots.  There were 5 teams fighting it out for seeds 5 and 6 up till the final week.  The whole argument about rewarding a team currently playing the best getting their chance at the automatic qualifier probaly applies to teams in the top 3 or 4, not a team finishing the year in the bottom half of the league. 

I would have loved to to have seen 8 make it the last couple of years because then Dubuque could have made it in.  If a 7 or 8 seed makes it in and then can maybe win a game or two the coaches can use that in recruiting.  "Hey, we finished down in the standings, but we came on late and beat some of the top teams in the conference, come to our school and you can help us climb up the standings."  That doesn't happen if a recruit sees you haven't made the tourney in a number of years.  Including 8 or all 9 make fair to all teams.  But I do think having the top 6 makes it a bit more exciting overall.  You have that fight at the top of the league for the first round bye, and you have the fight at the bottom of the league to make it into the tourney...excitement from top to bottom...and that is probably what the league is after. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 18, 2007, 02:22:31 PM
I don't know, after starting the conf 0-7 then going 5-4 over their last 9, I think Wartburg is pretty deserving, especially considering one of those wins was against Loras and also only lost to them by 1 earlier in the season.
After beating Wartburg at home, UD went on to lose 6 of 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 19, 2007, 10:26:28 AM
Congratulation to Loras for their great season in closing out the old barn. I went to two or 3 games there. Although it was dumpy, in some ways it still had charm. It was packed earlier this week with 1150. They must have had fun and hung by the rafters. Does anyone see any other team getting into the Tournament if Loras  win s the conference tournament? Thank You and God Bless!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 19, 2007, 01:38:38 PM
More than likely the winner of the conference tourny will be the lone representative for the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UWPSUPERFAN77 on February 20, 2007, 01:28:06 AM
Thank you and God Bless!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 20, 2007, 09:46:52 AM
Did you know......
The only team to beat Wartburg in the conf tourney is BV.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2007, 09:51:45 AM
I did not know that!!!

How many years has the conference had the tourney???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 20, 2007, 10:02:41 AM
I think 8 or 9.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pennstghs on February 20, 2007, 12:00:55 PM
yes, however i dont think the IIAC has a strong enough team to compete against the other strong teams that exist in the region this year (St. Johns and St. Thomas), Augustana maybe?

My dream matchup is a Wittenberg vs Wartburg matchup in the Final Four someday.......
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on February 20, 2007, 07:16:24 PM
Wow, it has sure been a long time since I been on here.  It has probably been a year.  I have sit back and just observed the conference this season and have come up with a few observations and/or opinions of my own. 

1.  It might be just me but I think there is a lack of Marquee players in the league.  For instance:

-Jason Steege
-Eric Wiebers
-Jeff Ludovissy
-Scott Weber
-Nate Schmidt
- and there are more but that is all I can think of off the top of my head.

2. i was disappointed with Coe this year, after only losing a few players from last years team and returning the MVP, they sure didn't play very well throughout the year and I thougth they would be the regular season champs for sure - they definitely have th talent.

3.Some things never change dubuque, cornell, and Luther come in at the bottome of the conference while Wartburg did finish a lot lower than normal.  Simpson had a mediocre year again with the most talent they have had in awhile, which isn't a surprise.  Congrats to Loras for a great season matching a 15-1 regular season that the knights had in 04-05.  Let's hope that isn't bad karma as the knights lost in the conference tourney final to BV and then got snubbed for an at large bid in the NCAA DIII tourney.

4.  I hope the conference tourney is exciting and my prediction for next year are as follows.

1. Loras
2. Wartburg
3. BV
4. Coe
5. Simpson
6. Luther
7. Dubuque
8. Cornell

Hope this doesn't stir things up too bad.

This years MVP - Kyle White - Loras College.

PDMCGEE

And watch out for LEE NELSON next year from down town.  He needs to switch back to #22 and carry on the legacy of great players to wear that number (mike pipho - jordan atchison)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 20, 2007, 07:19:46 PM
Is Central leaving the league next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2007, 09:27:01 PM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 20, 2007, 07:19:46 PM
Is Central leaving the league next year?

NAIA...they miss their long time rival William Penn
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 20, 2007, 11:00:21 PM
Did you know...
That BV's all time IIAC tournament record is 21-2.  They have won 15 straight games in the tourney games.  That is quite impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 20, 2007, 11:45:17 PM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 20, 2007, 09:46:52 AM
Did you know......
The only team to beat Wartburg in the conf tourney is BV.
Until tonight. Congratulations Kohawks for going 3-0 against the Knights. I was nervous going in, because it's tough to do that against any team. I guess maybe that Juckem knows a thing or two about coaching after all. Now go get yourself some Beaver, men.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pdmcgee on February 21, 2007, 09:50:47 AM
No, Central isn't leaving the league, but they will not make the tourney, they will be last in the IIAC next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 21, 2007, 09:54:08 AM
THings just didn't work out for the Orange and Black this year. Hopefully with all that youth a year older, next season Peth can get the ship righted.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on February 21, 2007, 08:15:42 PM
Holy cow the Dutch are hurting today! Simpson comes back from a 10 point deficit in the last 1:38 to win the game! Incredible finish. Great job knocking off the Dutch for the 3rd time this year.

I have been real honest all year about Simpson's ups, downs and inconsistencies. They are really finishing the season strong though and I think Loras better bring their A game. I wouldn't be suprised to see a nail biter as Simpson's team of seniors pull together for a big finish.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 21, 2007, 09:35:01 PM
First off Congrats to the DuHawks for a stellar season and lone Sr. Scottie Braden!  They sure do have a great roster coming back next season.

Props to Kyle White, who should be MVP.  I saw him saturday against BV, he looked too good, great on the boards and when he is hitting 3's no one can guard him.  Look for him to be big in the conference tourny.

Simpson will be a tough game for the DuHawks as they bounced them out of the tourny last year.  I wish them luck and would love to see a Loras - Coe showdown in the finals!

Good Luck to all the teams left.....Go DuHawks, it will be rowdy in the fieldhouse!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 22, 2007, 01:16:00 AM
Two big games in the Semifinals tonight....Whose everyone taking?

I'm gonna go with the road teams in both games...

Kohawks and Storm advance to the Finals...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 22, 2007, 09:25:49 AM
I can see Loras getting beat, but no way BV drops a tourney game at home.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: StormE on February 22, 2007, 04:48:57 PM
Thanks for the Storm support guys, I couldn't agree more.  We are on quite a roll lately and the senior squad has shown they aren't about end this season without a helluva fight. 

The BV-Coe game is a little tougher to call.  Despite the Beavers amazing postseason play, I'm going with Coe if for no other reason than the fact that I'll be closer to CR for our championship game this weekend;)

Now I'm off for a three-hour road trip to watch the last game ever at the Loras fieldhouse!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 22, 2007, 08:23:14 PM
No way Loras loses this year....undefeated at home....The ship runs through the fieldhouse this year boys and girls!!!!

Go DuHawks
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 22, 2007, 09:36:07 PM
BV comes back from 13 down real late to tie and head to OT.  It sounds exciting on the radio
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 22, 2007, 09:50:46 PM
BV wins in OT, 88-81, I'll be interested to hear everyone's take on this game.  Lots of BV steals late in regulation to come back.  Dupic and Franklin sounded unstoppable late.  Best of luck on Saturday Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2007, 12:31:00 AM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 22, 2007, 09:25:49 AM
but no way BV drops a tourney game at home.
Nope, but they had me worried for most of the game!

Just got back from the road trip up north.  Well worth the drive and price of admission!

BV down 13 with 4:26 to go, almost was ready to go get the car started.  BV cuts it to 6 with 2:15 to go, starts to get interesting.  Coe hits a 3 with 1:45 left to go up 9 and I thought that was the nail in the coffin.  Then Coe's guards fell apart with the heavy fullcourt pressure from Dupic, Franklin & Co.  BV got 3 layups in about 30 seconds and got it tied up with 2.5 in the game. (Coe's last second heave for a 3 looked scary on the release, but luckily it was too strong off the back to go in.)

In OT, BV did what they've done all year...WIN.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 23, 2007, 12:56:19 AM
The Duhawks won pretty handely tonight....I hope BV has an answer for Kyle White unlike last weekend, if not we will see Loras in the Tourney. 

Side Note: Loras women also won......can the Loras bball program get a sweep?  Who was the last school to do that?

Should be a great championship game.

If Loras loses do they have any chance in getting an at large bid?  They were pretty impressive in IIAC play but their non conference losses has to hurt them.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2007, 04:42:30 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 23, 2007, 12:56:19 AM
If Loras loses do they have any chance in getting an at large bid?  They were pretty impressive in IIAC play but their non conference losses has to hurt them.

Loras is currently ranked seventh in the West Region -- not good, but automatic bids will move them up to either second or third among Pool C candidates in the region if the Duhawks do indeed need that Pool C bid to get into the tourney. They will definitely end up behind the St. John's/St. Thomas loser, no matter what. But there's some doubt as to how the Duhawks will measure up against Whitworth, UW-Oshkosh, or (if they should lose the WIAC title game to UW-Stevens Point) UW-LaCrosse in the final, secret regional ranking assembled on Sunday prior to the selection of the Pool C teams. That secret regional ranking will determine how soon Loras would come to the table for discussion as the West's best Pool C candidate once the SJU/UST loser has already been admitted into the field of 59 teams.

Loras currently holds a QOWI of 10, which is the 30th-best in the nation as of the end of action on Thursday night. That's pretty good, but, unfortunately, it would drop to 9.876 with a loss to Buena Vista in the IIAC title game. That would be good for 36th on the current national QOWI list. Loras's regional winning percentage is currently a fine .818 (the Duhawks are 18-4 in regional play), but it would drop to .783 if the Beavers take them down in the Loras gym in the IIAC title tilt.

UW-Oshkosh lost in the WIAC semis to UW-LaCrosse on Thursday night, so the Titans will enter Selection Sunday with a QOWI of 9.833 and a relatively unimpressive RW% of .750 (blame it on that tough WIAC schedule). That puts the Titans behind Loras in both criteria in the Pool C sweepstakes. Furthermore, UWL has gone 2-3 against the common opponents of the two teams (UW-LaCrosse and UW-Platteville), while the Duhawks have gone 1-1 against those common opponents. Again ... advantage, Loras. Finally, while we don't know for sure whom the ranked teams will be in the West and Midwest regions on Sunday, we can make a very strong guess based upon this week's results. And it looks as though UWO will be 2-5 in regional games against ranked teams (win over Grinnell, split with UWSP, loss to Elmhurst, three losses to UWL). Loras, by contrast, will be 1-1 (win over UWL, loss to Aurora).

In other words, it looks as though Loras would be in line ahead of the Titans.

As for UWL, the head-to-head win over the Eagles in the season opener is huge for the Duhawks, since that's one of the five primary Pool C criteria right there. A loss in the WIAC final drops the Eagles down to a relatively poor .708 RW% (17-7), so Loras has that advantage as well. UWL's QOWI drops to 9.792 in the event of a loss to UWSP, so Loras wins that category as well. UWL would have the advantage over Loras in two of the five criteria, however: In-region record vs. ranked teams (at least 4-4, with a win over St. Thomas and three wins over UW-Oshkosh, against a loss to Loras and three losses to UWSP; it goes up to 5-4 if Ripon wins the MWC tourney and gets ranked in the Midwest, since the Eagles beat Ripon in November), and in-region record vs. common opponents (the only opponent the Eagles and Duhawks have in common is UW-Platteville, who beat Loras and was in turn swept by UWL). But, all in all, it looks as though the Duhawks will get ranked ahead of both WIAC teams if it comes down to Loras needing a Pool C bid.

Whitworth is another matter. The NWC regular-season champs are playing Lewis & Clark at home in the NWC tourney final. A Whitworth loss would send the Pirates to the pack of Pool C aspirants with a 9.739 QOWI, an .826 RW%, and either a 1-2 or a 2-2 record against regionally-ranked teams (depending upon how Wheaton finishes). In other words, one category's better than Loras for Whitworth, one's worse, and the other is either worse or even. However, Whitworth is currently one spot ahead of Loras in the regional rankings, so that needs to be considered as well.

All in all, I think that Loras is a bubble team for a Pool C berth should the Duhawks take it on the chin in the IIAC final. Their chance would appear to be a decent one, but they're not even close to being guaranteed anything; too many variables (i.e., highly-rated teams losing their conference tournaments) are in play for the Duhawks to have any guarantees.

I'll say this, though: I'm throwing objectivity out the window and rooting strongly for the Duhawks to win the IIAC tournament and get the league's Pool A bid, thereby eliminating any question of whether or not they qualify for Pool C. I have three reasons why: 1) Loras is the only school in the entire IIAC that has never made it to the D3 tournament, and I enjoy seeing new teams get into the big dance; 2) it makes North Park's season look better, since the Vikings thumped Loras pretty soundly back in December; and 3) NPU's head coach Paul Brenegan is a Loras alumnus.

Go Duhawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2007, 04:57:04 AM
Since I brought up the fact that Loras is a D3 tourney virgin, here's how all of the other IIAC teams have fared in the big dance with regard to both appearances and record, including former members William Penn and Upper Iowa:

teamapp1st applast appW-L
Coe2197519762-2
Wartburg6197520015-7
Cornell2197619940-3
Simpson4197619961-4
Central8197719955-9
William Penn3197919832-4
Dubuque4198119904-4
Luther2198219841-3
Upper Iowa2199619990-2
Buena Vista7199720063-7

(Some schools have more losses than appearances because the D3 tourney included regional third-place games for the first decade and a half of its existence.)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 23, 2007, 08:24:56 AM
BV lost to Coe by 14 last year on the road before going back there in the conference tournament championship game and winning.  So I'm not too discouraged by the recent 12 point defeat at Loras.

Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2007, 04:57:04 AM
Loras is the only school in the entire IIAC that has never made it to the D3 tournament

BV's conference tournament record speaks for itself and they've been in this situation multiple times.  In fact, just last year with nearly an identical roster.  7-0 in OT games this year, shows that they know how to win in close games and under pressure situations.  Loras may be a bit nervous early and hopefully the Beavers can exploit that.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 23, 2007, 08:44:31 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 23, 2007, 12:56:19 AM

Side Note: Loras women also won......can the Loras bball program get a sweep?  Who was the last school to do that?

BV in '04
Wartburg in '01
The basketball teams were both hosting the championship games on Saturday night. Women had already won, wrestling team walked into the gym with the trophy they won, and about midway through the men's game the indoor track teams (men and women) walked into the gym and announced they had won conf titles that day as well. The men went on to win that night and we won 5 titles in the same day. Quite the day in Knights athletic history. I remember the day well, the night no so much.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 24, 2007, 01:27:00 PM
I hope everyone who is making the trip to Dubuque this evening arrives safely.  I'll be depending on the audio streaming via the web.

Let's bring home another conference tourny championship, Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 08:44:23 PM
Loras 39, BV 31

halftime
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 24, 2007, 09:33:49 PM
Loras up 11 with 52 seconds left.....its going to get wild in the fieldhouse!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 24, 2007, 09:34:35 PM
I don't see Loras collapsing in the last 2 minutes and being up double digits.  My webcast just lost connection, guessing due to the ice storm, so congrats to Loras on the victory.  Hopefully they can get a decent draw for the first round of the tourny.  Hate to see BV's streak end, but hopefully they pick it back up next season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 24, 2007, 09:57:37 PM
Congrats to the Duhawks as they will be heading to the big dance.....first time in school history....Will they host another game in the fieldhouse where they are undefeated?

What a great day for Loras Mens Basketball and all the hard work the coaches and players have put in this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 24, 2007, 10:03:17 PM
Congrats to Loras upon losing its D3 tourney virginity!

Rock, I don't think the Duhawks are going to be seeded all that highly -- they were only seventh in the West Region last week -- so they're almost certainly going to be on the road for as long as they're alive in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on February 25, 2007, 06:51:12 PM
I enjoyed the opportunity to see Loras College basketball history last evening and the event was a little surreal.  In the middle of a wild weather evening, Dubuque was blasted by a major blizzard, several hundred fans showed up to watch Loras crack the NCAA III tourney list for the first time.   And to top it off, this was the last game to be played on their 1912 field house court that should probably be enshrined on the National Historical Register.:)  Loras dominated from the start with a 14-4 run, and BV fought back with many runs of their own.  But, in the end, the night was made for the Duhawks...a team victory for sure.
I'm glad I traveled the 175 miles to witness some history!
Go Duhawks...and that's from a proud Kohawk!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2007, 08:12:14 PM
Congrats to Loras for making their first NCAA tourney and also for sending the old fieldhouse out in style, a very fitting tribute to that old place.  It will be missed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 26, 2007, 09:48:44 AM
Tough draw for Loras...as a SPARTAN, I can't really root for them, but I wish them good luck.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sumander on February 26, 2007, 10:11:29 AM
Congrats to Loras for Winning the IIAC title. Looking forward to seeing your squad in Collegeville on Thursday night! The Johnnies have been awfully tough at home this year. Their only loss at Sexton Arena was to D-ll St. Cloud St.

That being said they are coming off probably  their poorest perfromance of the year in the MIAC Championship game against St. Thomas.

Things can't be all bad for Loras, I see your head coach is from Staples, MN. That is pretty darn close to god's country! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on February 26, 2007, 01:50:19 PM
I guess I'm curious as to how Loras has to go to St. John's when Loras was the regular season/tournament champ in their conference. I suppose St. John's had a higher regional ranking, but their draw is pretty bogus in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 26, 2007, 02:16:58 PM
Lorbec,
Not really....the IIAC isn't a highly rated conference, and I think STJ's had a higher regional ranking. And I don't think Loras had any great non-conference wins (I know they lost to Aurora, who ended up ranked 15th nationally)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sumander on February 26, 2007, 02:43:21 PM
Up until they lost twice in the last week to St. Thomas, SJU was the #3 rated team in the West region!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on February 26, 2007, 03:24:14 PM
Highest rated conferences according to who? When comparing common opponents, it was interesting to see the only loss that St. Thomas had at home was to UW-Lacrosse, the same Lacrosse team that Loras beat. I guess in any other playoff system, the second place team in a league doesn't get the home field against an opponent that won theirs. However, all crying aside, Loras just needs to represent the IIAC, and get it done on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sumander on February 26, 2007, 05:51:50 PM
UST's loss to LAX was when there starting center was out with Mono. Isaac Rosefelt averages 17.8 pts and 10.2 boards/game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 26, 2007, 10:15:32 PM
It is a tough draw for Loras, but any team they would have played in their bracket would be tough.  This might be the strongest bracket top to bottom. 

Loras will have to pull together and play a mere perfect game to win on road.  Their next possible game will be a huge test against UWSP....either way they didnt get that great of a draw for winning the regular season with one loss and winning the conference tourny.

Best of Luck to my Duhawks......and Keith you better start rooting for the Duhawks b/c your Spartans are not going anywhere too soon, especially with the loss of Thomas and one year from now Tyler. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 26, 2007, 10:33:33 PM
Quote from: lorbec47 on February 26, 2007, 03:24:14 PM
Highest rated conferences according to who?

Pretty much everyone.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 27, 2007, 09:12:21 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 26, 2007, 10:15:32 PM

Best of Luck to my Duhawks......and Keith you better start rooting for the Duhawks b/c your Spartans are not going anywhere too soon, especially with the loss of Thomas and one year from now Tyler. 
I know, I know..this year should have been the year, 2 guards who averaged 20 each??? come on..but the IIAC has post strength, and that was the killer. Next year, the freshman post (6-6 kid, forgot his name, blocked a few shots, was out with a broken hand for a while) will be back, and they brought in a transfer at semester who was raw, but big and athletic and strong..so we shouldn't slip too much...
and I'll never say Go DuHawks..bad enough I married a Duhawk!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on February 27, 2007, 09:15:57 AM
Who else loves these Minnesota guys?

I'll state it again, in what other situation does a 2nd place team, get home court advantage over a conference champ? POLITICS!!!

Just like any other situation, go IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sumander on February 27, 2007, 09:20:20 AM
Quote from: lorbec47 on February 26, 2007, 03:24:14 PM
When comparing common opponents, it was interesting to see the only loss that St. Thomas had at home was to UW-Lacrosse, the same Lacrosse team that Loras beat.

Comparing scores is a slippery slope. Carleton beat LAX as well 75-64. Carleton finished 5th in the MIAC with a 10-10 conference record. Two of their losses were to SJU.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 27, 2007, 11:13:54 AM
Quote from: lorbec47 on February 27, 2007, 09:15:57 AM
Who else loves these Minnesota guys?

I'll state it again, in what other situation does a 2nd place team, get home court advantage over a conference champ? POLITICS!!!

Just like any other situation, go IIAC.

Lorbec,
Check out Loras' QOWI vs St. Johns. Then check out Loras' SOS versus St. Johns...then check out the IIAC's NCAA record (23-45) vs the MIAC's NCAA record. The best teams in recent memory from the IIAC (UIU in 98-99(with all the transfers from juco's), Simpson in 96-97 (Doll and Ackerman), BV (with Jones et all) made how much noise on the national stage?
Think of it in terms of the D1 NCAA's..would Duke (3rd place in their conferece) be a higher seed over a conference champ from some smaller weaker conference? Yup...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2007, 03:35:39 PM
Quote from: lorbec47 on February 27, 2007, 09:15:57 AM
Who else loves these Minnesota guys?

I'll state it again, in what other situation does a 2nd place team, get home court advantage over a conference champ? POLITICS!!!

Just like any other situation, go IIAC.

Are you speaking regular season champ and 2nd place regular season position? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Freebird on February 27, 2007, 05:27:51 PM
Quote from: lorbec47 on February 26, 2007, 03:24:14 PM
Highest rated conferences according to who? When comparing common opponents, it was interesting to see the only loss that St. Thomas had at home was to UW-Lacrosse, the same Lacrosse team that Loras beat. I guess in any other playoff system, the second place team in a league doesn't get the home field against an opponent that won theirs. However, all crying aside, Loras just needs to represent the IIAC, and get it done on the road.

Bethel won the MIAC crown in football this year and was rewarded with a trip to the WIAC's #2 team UW-LAX
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2007, 07:00:06 PM
Quote from: lorbec47 on February 27, 2007, 09:15:57 AM
I'll state it again, in what other situation does a 2nd place team, get home court advantage over a conference champ? POLITICS!!!

Regular season 2nd place John Carroll from the Ohio Athletic Conference hosts President's Athletic Conference regular season champ Westminster (Pa.)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buf on February 27, 2007, 08:30:39 PM
Quote from: Old School on February 27, 2007, 07:00:06 PM
Quote from: lorbec47 on February 27, 2007, 09:15:57 AM
I'll state it again, in what other situation does a 2nd place team, get home court advantage over a conference champ? POLITICS!!!

Regular season 2nd place John Carroll from the Ohio Athletic Conference hosts President's Athletic Conference regular season champ Westminster (Pa.)
And John Carroll has a 19-9 record
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 27, 2007, 10:24:09 PM
D3 Hoops is all politics.....until you win big time games you get zero respect!  If you have been there before you get all the love.  Look at the Top 25 every year....for the most part there are never any new teams who crack the list or even get mentioned is a team on the rise. 

If you are perceived as a weak conference you always will be until you get to the Final 4....just like Lawrence a few years back.  You just have to suck it up and prove you belong there.  So far no IIAC team has done that and that is why they placed where they do.  The only teams with respect in the IIAC are Wartburg and BV.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2007, 11:03:26 PM
Lawrence didn't make it to the Final Four, they lost in the Elite 8 to Point in 2004, and then lost to Point in the 2nd round in 2005, and then lost in the Sweet 16 at home when they were 25-0 to Illinois Wesleyan.  Carroll made the tourney last year and lost to the same Illinois Wesleyan in the first round at Whitewater.  Aside from Lawrence's "success" for three years, the MWC has hardly done anything...and neither has the IIAC.

Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 27, 2007, 10:24:09 PM
D3 Hoops is all politics.....until you win big time games you get zero respect!  If you have been there before you get all the love.  Look at the Top 25 every year....for the most part there are never any new teams who crack the list or even get mentioned is a team on the rise. 

If you are perceived as a weak conference you always will be until you get to the Final 4....just like Lawrence a few years back.  You just have to suck it up and prove you belong there.  So far no IIAC team has done that and that is why they placed where they do.  The only teams with respect in the IIAC are Wartburg and BV.  

You're absolutely right...well, maybe not completely.  :P ;D :D ;)

2006:  Buena Vista loses in first round to Augustana

2005:  Buena Vista beats Edgewood (from the LMC, a conference which has never won a game) and loses to "#1 seed" Puget Sound in 2nd round

2004:  Buena Vista "seeded #2" in the bracket, first round bye and loses at home to Lawrence in 2nd round.

2003:  "#5 seed" Buena Vista beats Illinois College in first round, beats "#3 seed" Rockford, hosts sectional and loses to "#2 seed" Occidental in Sweet 16.  Very nice run.

2002:  Buena Vista 1st round bye, #3 seed, loses at home to Gustavus Adolphus in the 2nd round.

2001:  Wartburg, 1st round bye, loses at home to Illinois Wesleyan.  IWU goes to the Final Four

2000:  Buena Vista, 1st round bye, beats St. Thomas, hosts sectional, loses at home to Eau Claire in OT in Sweet 16, UW-EC loses in Final.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 28, 2007, 10:23:55 AM
I think it's safe to say that Loras doesn't quite have the talent level of any of those past teams, with the exception of last year's BV squad, which was extremely young and inexperienced.

The 2003 post season was a fun one to follow.  Without it, I would've probably never experienced the gas station in Rockford that had the bars on the windows and sold "12 packs", which were really cases, but cut in half and box-taped shut!  The Hooters restaurant wasn't half bad either, but the victory topped it off.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on February 28, 2007, 10:26:15 AM
I'll help you Minnesota guys that don't think too well. :D

In what OTHER SITUATION, meaning not d3hoops. Come on now, use those quality educations. Must not have faired too well on the IOWA test of basic skills either!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sju56321 on February 28, 2007, 11:02:31 AM
Central the conference champ did host SJU in football this past year-SJU was co-champs of the MIAC, but finished second by virtue of their loss to Bethel.
I agree that the NCAA does look at strength of conference in deciding who hosts, especially in football-look at the MCW-will have undefeated conference champ and then play on the road. (I don't know how the IIAC stacks up for basketball-football they have a good reputation)
Also, look at what Freebird posted-that is because if the NCAA knows your school has not won a playoff game or fared too well in the playoffs-it is true they do not reward that. Remember, the gate revenue is also important.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 28, 2007, 01:07:27 PM
I too was wondering if maybe Loras' facility was counted against them ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2007, 04:22:55 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 28, 2007, 10:23:55 AM
I think it's safe to say that Loras doesn't quite have the talent level of any of those past teams, with the exception of last year's BV squad, which was extremely young and inexperienced.

Weren't they like 15-14 last year?

Quote from: sju56321 on February 28, 2007, 11:02:31 AM
Central the conference champ did host SJU in football this past year-SJU was co-champs of the MIAC, but finished second by virtue of their loss to Bethel.
I agree that the NCAA does look at strength of conference in deciding who hosts, especially in football-look at the MCW-will have undefeated conference champ and then play on the road. (I don't know how the IIAC stacks up for basketball-football they have a good reputation)
Also, look at what Freebird posted-that is because if the NCAA knows your school has not won a playoff game or fared too well in the playoffs-it is true they do not reward that. Remember, the gate revenue is also important.

I think this post is totally false.  As for basketball, if I'm correct, they don't look at the "strength of the conference" to figure out who hosts.  It's all in the numbers, VERY objective.  If that was the case, a lot of teams hosting each year wouldn't be hosting.  Those teams have very good QOWIs, in-region winning %s and rate highly in the rest of the primary criteria.  Another thing that's taken into consideration is location, travel costs for visiting teams facility guidelines.  They don't reward hosts on previous playoff game results.  Gate revenue is hardly important.  The D3 tourney costs the NCAA a ton each year and NEVER makes a profit from the tourney.  The NCAA foots the bill for travel and everything.  If Gate revenue truly was as important as you think it is, 1100 seat gym at Lawrence would have NEVER hosted the sectional last year.  It would've been played at the Shirk, home of Illinois Wesleyan.  Revenue potential is considered, but it's the last on the list. Handbook (http://www.ncaa.org/library/handbooks/basketball/2007/2007_d3_m_basketball_handbook.pdf), site selection is on page 7, Allocation of births on page 13.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Freebird on February 28, 2007, 05:32:24 PM
Quote from: sju56321 on February 28, 2007, 05:26:23 PM
Eveything is false? Do you know anything about the MWC and the football context I was using? Probably not. Let's not pretend that the NCAA doesn't have certain likes and dislikes and they can dress them up in the "numbers" all they want. Nice to be an expert, I guess. ::)

This coming from sju56321, an expert in all things SJU related in DIII sports.  Life is so unjust for Johnnies fans  :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sju56321 on February 28, 2007, 05:34:25 PM
That coming from a Bethel fan who thinks it is great to never win a playoff game.  How is Bethel basketball anyway-make the playoffs?
Apologies to IIAC fans-I'll take this back to the MIAC board where it belongs.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2007, 06:25:48 PM
Quote from: lorbec47 on February 28, 2007, 10:26:15 AM
I'll help you Minnesota guys that don't think too well. :D

In what OTHER SITUATION, meaning not d3hoops. Come on now, use those quality educations. Must not have faired (sic) too well on the IOWA test of basic skills either!  ;D

I bet this happens actually quite often.

Here's the last regional rankings that were published:
1. UW-Stevens Point 22-2 21-1
2. St. Thomas 22-3 22-3
3. St. John's 19-6 19-3
4. UW-Oshkosh 20-5 17-5
5. Occidental 17-5 12-3
6. Whitworth 22-3 19-3
7. Loras 19-6 17-4
8. UW-La Crosse 17-7 15-6

This should NOT have been a surprise.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on March 01, 2007, 04:57:27 PM
We're collecting previews for each team in the tourney on one of the multiregional boards. If I get them by friday I may even be able to stick them in one document for people to peruse. Could someone here do one for Loras? Thanks!

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5147.0
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ustbumkneez on March 01, 2007, 10:23:54 PM
Loras loses in OT, after an off balance 3 goes in with just over two seconds left in the game. The DuHawks fought back after being down double digits throughout much of the first half. Loras had a chance to extend thier 1 point lead at the free throw line, but missed both throws. A reversed call gave the Johnnies the ball on the rebound, and SJU came down the court and hit the off balance 3 to win it. Great effort by the DuHawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: miacwatchmen on March 01, 2007, 11:31:56 PM
The Duhawks will be tough next year. White was solid tonight but riddled with fouls. Kolze is a solid player. Has Centella been the Duhawks go to guy the whole season? They went to him alot tonight. Slater is a very nice post player. I was really impressed with his strength. He gave all but one of the Johnnies trouble all night. Short bench though, only 8 people played tonight and two of them combined for 11 minutes out of the total 225. That has to put alot of pressure on the first 6 players.


Freebird? Do you follow SJU56321 around to start trouble or does he follow you? This is the second board I've seen you two fighting on today!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2007, 01:47:17 AM
Tim Calderwood gets a great deal of respect from our crew for his excellent, professional call of the game tonight, especially in the closing minute of overtime when a crucial call got overturned to the detriment of Loras.

His professionalism and unbiased call was refreshing in contrast to so many homers calling D-III games and questioning officials right and left.

I look forward to listening to more games next year. Congrats on a fine season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 02, 2007, 02:47:51 AM
The duhawks will be more than tough next year.  They should not have a problem adding a little more depth to the team with a strong recruiting class to come in.  Conference Champs and New Facility should be an easy sell to get kids to come and play for the Coach of the Year.  Most importantly it is a great school in a nice town.

The Duhawks go to player this year might have been if anyone Kyle White.  But this is a team that really plays all around equal opportunity basketball.  Centella is a PG with a scoring mentality....he wanted to win so he tried to take it upon himself, you cant blame a kid with confidence.

OVerall great season and look for them to make noise next year.....I am excited already to see them back next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Freebird on March 02, 2007, 02:57:47 AM
Quote from: miacwatchmen on March 01, 2007, 11:31:56 PM
Freebird? Do you follow SJU56321 around to start trouble or does he follow you? This is the second board I've seen you two fighting on today!!

What you read on this page was a prelude to the discussion on the MIAC board  :)

This topic seems to flare up every few months or so between the SJU faithful and I.  My apologies for leaving such a mess on the board.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Drake Palmer on March 02, 2007, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2007, 01:47:17 AM
Tim Calderwood gets a great deal of respect from our crew for his excellent, professional call of the game tonight, especially in the closing minute of overtime when a crucial call got overturned to the detriment of Loras.

His professionalism and unbiased call was refreshing in contrast to so many homers calling D-III games and questioning officials right and left.

I look forward to listening to more games next year. Congrats on a fine season.

Ditto those comments Pat!  I thought the Loras game announcer did an excellent job.  In fact, I also made an in-game comment on the MIAC board last night how well prepared he was & his scouting report on the Johnnies.  There were 2-3 situations when you could tell he thought the calls were questionable for either team, but he left it at that.  Very well prepared & professional.

Nice run & good season Duhawks!

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 05, 2007, 04:18:20 AM
Congratulations on a fine season, Loras. I'm sure that Duhawks players, coaches, and fans will treasure the memory of the IIAC title run and the first-ever tournament appearance for Loras.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on March 06, 2007, 05:13:12 PM
Exciting news released today from Coe Nation.

http://www.coe.edu/athletics/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lorbec47 on March 09, 2007, 08:58:25 AM
So after Coe and UD put in fieldturf this offseason, that'll leave Cornell, Luther and BV. How long before one of those 3 jumps on the wagon?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 15, 2007, 11:03:48 AM
Of course it will be Luther - BLUE like Boise St.  for team  Smurf.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 15, 2007, 11:11:43 AM
all region teams are out....congrats to all the IIAC players nominated. was surprised to see 6 WIAC players on the team. Also, no Tyler D from UD. he averaged 20 pts, 5 reb and 5 assist as a PG.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2007, 02:14:18 AM
Quote from: keith45 on March 15, 2007, 11:11:43 AM
Also, no Tyler D from UD. he averaged 20 pts, 5 reb and 5 assist as a PG.

Must be nominated in order to make team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 05, 2007, 12:53:47 PM
ANYONE KNOW ANYTHING about this posted @ Hawkeyenation.com

Word has it that Loras College's coach Chad Walthall is a possible candidate. He coached with Coach Lickliter at Eastern Michigan, and he and his wife were both at the press conference. Anybody else here anything like this?

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 07, 2007, 05:41:11 PM
Today's Dubuque paper mentioned it, too, but Walthall dismissed the speculation.  Not a flat-out "no," but still.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on April 09, 2007, 06:10:38 PM
I don't think Duhawk Nation should have to worry too much.  We saw how accurate message boards were while they were trying to hire the new Hawkeyes head coach!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pain_Train on April 26, 2007, 04:58:21 PM
I  bet this was a tough decision for Walthall. Sounds like he's leaving the cupboard far from bare at Loras

http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070426/SPORTS020504/70426033/1003
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on April 28, 2007, 01:01:45 PM
Loras' President named the ideal candidate and best qualified Coach for the job.  The Duhawks won't miss a beat.  Even though repeating as conference champs is difficult, I am confident they will be right at the top again!  Good Luck, Coach Gorton.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onlooker on April 30, 2007, 03:37:08 PM
I agree Loras made a good choice. Coach Gorton will continue the winning ways.

Any news from any of the teams on how recruiting is going ?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 30, 2007, 10:52:05 PM
Attn: Pat Coleman
Headline at top of page reads "Dubuque coach heads for Iowa."  While Loras is in Dubuque, I think there are a few readers that will assume you mean the coach from the U. of Dubuque, who also has connections to Div. I coaches in Iowa.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on May 10, 2007, 12:30:23 PM
Naming the new Area @  Wartburg - Per release by Pres. O

Levick Arena
Levick Arena, a 1,800-seat performance gym, will host basketball, volleyball, and wrestling matches and other college and community events. The arena is named in honor of Lewis "Buzz" Levick, who is widely considered to be one of the all-time greatest NCAA Division III and NAIA basketball coaches. Levick guided Wartburg to 14 Iowa Conference championships in 28 seasons as leader of the men's basketball program. The run of nine consecutive league crowns from 1966 to 1975 is still a record. Levick coached two All-Americans and three academic All-Americans during his career. He retired with 13 NCAA/NAIA national tournament appearances and a record of 510-225.

Was given a tour last week. When  gym was empty it was huge. We were told still on schedule for fall opening for athletes and athletic facility. Community area later in the fall.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on May 11, 2007, 08:37:51 AM
Not much has been shared about IIAC recruiting.  Can anyone tell me how Coe, BV, Wartburg, and Loras are doing with regard to incoming freshmen recruits?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on May 14, 2007, 02:11:44 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on May 10, 2007, 12:30:23 PM
Levick Arena, a 1,800-seat performance gym, will host basketball, volleyball, and wrestling matches and other college and community events. The arena is named in honor of Lewis "Buzz" Levick, who is widely considered to be one of the all-time greatest NCAA Division III and NAIA basketball coaches.

Good to hear.  I was hoping the College would do this, but didn't know if Buzz would be very receptive to it.  Hopefully I'll be able to get a look at the place on Homecoming.

Alfred,
Any idea what the school's planning for the first b-ball games this fall?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on May 16, 2007, 08:05:34 AM
I have NOT heard of anything YET. I'll check around and see if there are definite plans for what will happen.
I know they are still planning on opening Sept 4 w/ volleyball.

The "official" word is they are still on schedule. Most of North wall will be done before commencement ( May 27) but I doubt the entire building will be enclosed by then- all walls and roof on.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on June 05, 2007, 08:02:07 AM
SK - The is a new web-page to select all-time best Wartburg athletes who played in the old Knights Gym. There is also dates when all-time teams will be announced.

http://www.go-knights.net/legends/

No news yet on opening ceremonies.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on June 14, 2007, 11:07:04 AM
What are everyone's thoughts on next year? Obviously the favorite has to be Loras with everyone coming back and some nice incoming players that will give them some more depth. Buena Vista and Wartburg I think will be next with lots of talent returning. After that it could be a big mess. Will Kuenstling and Daugherty be able to carry the whole load with the graduation of Kilburg and Thomas. Central without Driftmier will be a completely new team but lots of experience returns. Cornell has the guard play but can they sustain and inside prescense? Simpson loses the big three so they will be completely different and Luther loses some solid seniors. Lots of good players graduated so it will be interesting to see who steps up and makes a name for themselves. Here is my early prediction.
1. Loras
2. Buena Vista
3. Wartburg
4. Coe
5. Central
6. Cornell
7. Luther
8. Simpson
9. Dubuque

Also anyone know if Kilburg will be trying to go overseas for basketball? I know Thomas and Driftmier are.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on July 16, 2007, 01:16:56 PM
The newest Wartburg wellness center photos have just been posted. Main gym floor is being put down.
http://www.wartburg.edu/wellness/71307/index.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on July 17, 2007, 04:35:04 PM
Quote from: primetime on June 14, 2007, 11:07:04 AM
What are everyone's thoughts on next year? Obviously the favorite has to be Loras with everyone coming back and some nice incoming players that will give them some more depth. Buena Vista and Wartburg I think will be next with lots of talent returning. After that it could be a big mess. Will Kuenstling and Daugherty be able to carry the whole load with the graduation of Kilburg and Thomas. Central without Driftmier will be a completely new team but lots of experience returns. Cornell has the guard play but can they sustain and inside prescense? Simpson loses the big three so they will be completely different and Luther loses some solid seniors. Lots of good players graduated so it will be interesting to see who steps up and makes a name for themselves. Here is my early prediction.
1. Loras
2. Buena Vista
3. Wartburg
4. Coe
5. Central
6. Cornell
7. Luther
8. Simpson
9. Dubuque

Also anyone know if Kilburg will be trying to go overseas for basketball? I know Thomas and Driftmier are.

Not sure if Daugherty will have to do it alone..he'll have the big kid back (he broke his hand last season) and a few other athletes...UD was a handle to try and stop, I think they just got outscored a lot...I dont know if they can get above top 6 in the league though, depends on the other recruits..
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on July 30, 2007, 11:07:46 PM
Looks like three IIAC teams will face Division I opponents this season.  Central and Cornell both play Drake, while Simpson will play the U. of Iowa.  All but the Cornell-Drake games will be exhibition contests.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on August 17, 2007, 08:29:42 AM
Dubuque plays Iowa State.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 18, 2007, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on August 17, 2007, 08:29:42 AM
Dubuque plays Iowa State.

Yikes, but then again the coaches are brothers. 

On a side note my dads 89 and 90 year old aunt and uncle just visited us.  They are Central graduates from the 1930's.  He was on the basketball team at Central and according to him Central was more known as a basketball school then than for football.  Of course he might be a bit biased from playing on the bball team!!!

One of the stories he told was at that time during your senior year you would get your picture on the cover of the program of one game.  The game he was on the cover he really wanted to have a good game.  The coach of the team would set a number of passes the team had to complete before they were allowed to shoot their first attempt at basket.  On about the third pass he got the ball underneath the basket with no defenders near him so he thought he couldn't get in trouble for making an easy layup even though they hadn't made the set number of passes yet.  After he made the basket the coach called time out, benched my uncle and never let him back in the game that night.  He says he learned a valuable lesson not to anger your coach, and my aunt still married him so it all ended well!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on August 19, 2007, 10:46:11 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on August 18, 2007, 10:30:32 AM
One of the stories he told was at that time during your senior year you would get your picture on the cover of the program of one game.  The game he was on the cover he really wanted to have a good game.  The coach of the team would set a number of passes the team had to complete before they were allowed to shoot their first attempt at basket.  On about the third pass he got the ball underneath the basket with no defenders near him so he thought he couldn't get in trouble for making an easy layup even though they hadn't made the set number of passes yet.  After he made the basket the coach called time out, benched my uncle and never let him back in the game that night.  He says he learned a valuable lesson not to anger your coach, and my aunt still married him so it all ended well!!!
Yeah, Coach Dale could be a real pain at times.  But the season really turned when Jimmy Chitwood decided to play ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on August 29, 2007, 09:42:17 AM
Wartburg will play UNI in a regular season game again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on September 21, 2007, 11:56:55 AM
UD Coach resigns, going to a juco in Michigan as AD

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/mensbasketball/news1.cfm?ID=654

I like Robbie as a player (played against him at Iowa games when he was at UNI) and from what I've seen of him as a coach..so looks like a seamless transition.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on September 21, 2007, 12:03:29 PM
Beat me to it, Keith.  Sounds like a good oppurtunity for Marty.  And like you said, shouldn't be a real tough transition to Robbie.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on October 05, 2007, 10:58:31 AM
Photo and article about Wartburg's new facility
http://communitynewspapergroup.com/articles/2007/10/04/waverly_newspapers/news/news01.txt.

It is going to be the best in the conf.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on October 06, 2007, 01:42:57 PM
I dont know about that.  Loras's new athletic facility is going to be pretty sweet too. 

Who will be the top 4 teams this year along with player of the year?

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 11, 2007, 09:18:04 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on October 06, 2007, 01:42:57 PM
I dont know about that.  Loras's new athletic facility is going to be pretty sweet too. 

Who will be the top 4 teams this year along with player of the year?


I'm a homer, Daugherty for POY
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on October 12, 2007, 10:57:56 AM
Keith cmon now.....you know POY only goes to the team that wins conference
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 12, 2007, 11:04:08 AM
I know, I know...damn
I have no idea what UD will look like this year..a few athletic bigs (but when I say bigs, 6-5 ish), the kid from Texas is back, the 6-7 kid that broke his hand last year....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 12, 2007, 12:55:32 PM
Quote from: keith45 on October 12, 2007, 11:04:08 AM
I know, I know...damn
I have no idea what UD will look like this year..a few athletic bigs (but when I say bigs, 6-5 ish), the kid from Texas is back, the 6-7 kid that broke his hand last year....

Isn't everybody big compared to you?!?!  I kid, I kid.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on October 15, 2007, 06:58:28 PM
Well...it's the best time of the year!  The official start of basketball in the IIAC is now history.  As an old Kohawk, I'm curious does the IIAC have a pre-season coach's poll?  And, if so, has it been released?  It looks like much of the same for 2008 season.....Loras, Coe, BV and the ever-present 'surprise team', Wartburg maybe.  So who's it gonna be in March?  Let's get some chatter on this board.  I'm used to the CCIW discussion board, so this place is pretty reserved.  Maybe that's it, Iowa is pretty reserved.  Except the Hawks finally did the Illini in football...a real loss due to coach's decisions!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on October 15, 2007, 07:09:08 PM
Nice to see someone bring up the Iowa Conference. I think this year will be a very balanced conference from what teams have coming back and what teams lost. Loras will be the favorite but just by a little bit. They return everyone and picked up some nice freshman and transfers. Buena Vista is very close behind. Great tradition up there in Storm Lake. Have basically everyone back and the most size in the league. I think Wartburg, Coe, and Central will all be in the mix for 3rd-5th with one of these teams possibly being higher or winning it all. Coe has maybe the best and most versatile bigman in Kuenstling but he will have to do it without Kilburg, but he has solid guards around him to help out. Wartburg brings back basically everyone from a disappointing season. Have lots of lanky athletic players and a new gym. Central loses their bigman in Driftmier but everyone is back. Will have one of the best backcourts and should be more athletic. Cornell is a team that I think can get in there as well with their guard play which will in the tops of the league and the post play will have a year of experience. Simpson, Luther, and Dubuque will be teams that will be completely new looking. Simpson may lose the most out of the league with basically all of their scoring leaving but will have some talented young guys. Luther is the same losing some key players but have Brantner to build around with some better than average guards. Dubuque loses Thomas and now their coach but have Daugherty back who may be the best guard in the league. Usually have athletes but can they play together and they will need to find another scorer or two. Here are my predictions but it could easily change.
Prediction
1. Loras
2. Buena Vista
3. Wartburg
4. Central
5. Coe
6. Cornell
7. Simpson
8. Luther
9. Dubuque
All-Conference
Daugherty- Dubuque
Kuenstling- Coe
Clark- Central
Fogleman- Buena Vista
LaDew- Cornell
Nelson- Wartburg
White- Loras
Brantner- Luther

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on October 15, 2007, 07:49:08 PM
IIAC Preview, with the coaches' poll, is usually released the week of the beginning of games.  You'll probably see it in a month or so.

As far as the conference this year, I think it'll come down to a three team race between Loras, BV, and Wartburg.  Loras should be the odds-on fave because of what they bring back and how good they were a year ago.  I really don't think there'll be much of a drop off with them, even with the coaching change.  As long as BVH is coaching BV, they'll be right in the mix.  I don't know that they'll ever have a team as good as the squads that came through in the 2003-2005 era, but they can always put together a squad that will compete in this league.  Far as Wartburg goes, I hear a big part of the stumbles last year could be attributed to youth and injuries.  If they can avoid those two things this year, I'd look for the Knights to be right back where they belong.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on October 16, 2007, 09:59:14 AM
Loras is the best team in the league no matter what.......they lost one player from last years team (15-1).  BV will contend and Wartburg will compete.   

1. Loras
2. BV
3. Wartburg
4. Coe
5. Cornell
6. Central
7. Simpson
8. UD

UD has found a way to make it back to the bottom of the league.  Too bad because they have one of the most talented guards in the conference.

POY: Slater
1. White - Loras
2. Nelson - Wartburg
3. Fogelman - BV
4. Kuenstling - Coe
5. Daugherty - UD
6. Kolze - Loras

Look out for the mighty Duhawks this year as they have a brand new faclitlity that looks like a mini Carver Arena. 

Loras has the depth out of any team this year and this is going to play a major role for their success. 

Any word on Wartburg's gymnasium....I hear it is beautfiful...pics anyone?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 16, 2007, 01:23:05 PM
Any pics of Loras' new place???  I didn't notice any as of yet. 

And you left Luther out of your rankings RCD!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 16, 2007, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on October 12, 2007, 12:55:32 PM
Quote from: keith45 on October 12, 2007, 11:04:08 AM
I know, I know...damn
I have no idea what UD will look like this year..a few athletic bigs (but when I say bigs, 6-5 ish), the kid from Texas is back, the 6-7 kid that broke his hand last year....

Isn't everybody big compared to you?!?!  I kid, I kid.

Dont forget my senior year I was 6-3, 190!! and listed in the program as 6-6, 200! My sophomore year against Adam Doll, he actually told me, at the free throw line, that Simpson really thought I was 6-6 and figured I wasnt playing that game, since there was no 6-6 guy in warm ups!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 16, 2007, 04:12:08 PM
UD last??? come on..where is the love?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on October 17, 2007, 10:47:10 AM
Luther and UD can battle it out for the 8-9 spots.....honestly it doesnt matter, neither team makes the tourny. 

As of Loras's facility no pics yet.......the place looked pretty sweet from the outside, as you can see the gym from the windows.

Loras preseason #8......
D-III News/Small College Hoops Ranking Has Duhawks #8
Jon Denham, Sports Information Director
October 16, 2007

The Loras College men's basketball team found itself listed in their first 2007-2008 poll on Monday when the Duhawks were listed at #8 by smallcollegehoops.com, authors of DIII News, a monthly newsletter about NCAA Division III Men's Basketball. The Loras team is returning all five starters from last season's IIAC Championship squad that went 15-1 in league play and won the league's tournament and NCAA Tournament automatic bid.

This season's team began their title defense yesterday with the first practice of the year under new head coach Greg Gorton. Gorton was named head coach on April 27th, 2007 after four seasons as the team's top assistant coach and recruiting coordinator.

Also new for the 2007-2008 season is Loras College's Athletics and Wellness Center (AWC) which will debut on November 16th when Loras takes on Clarke College at 7:30 PM.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on October 18, 2007, 12:26:28 PM
Loras already has an ARC and now the new athletic facility will be known as the AWC?  Any worries about the Duhawks getting confused?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on October 19, 2007, 10:23:15 AM
No worries at Loras......this kids are smart and get around campus enough not to confuse the two.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on October 19, 2007, 10:23:55 AM
The also have an ACC!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on October 24, 2007, 11:36:23 PM
Hello fellow bball lovers.

Can someone offer up some key players for each team this year in the league - looking forward to following the action this season and as the practices begin, it would be great if some insiders could give a run down on players to watch and why we should watch them.

I happen to know a freshman newcomer to Wartburg via Colorado - very nice 3 point specialist and he will help your team bang home the 3 ball this year - he has good range and should be fun to watch him launch the bomb.  Last name is Olsen.

How about 5 top players by positon from the league too?

I will be following Coe this year and look forward to seeing a few games!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 25, 2007, 01:01:34 PM
Welcome to the board Dr. Phil.

Let me tell you, I'm having some issues regarding my mother and...oh wait, never mind. 

For UD you should probably talk to keith45.  He is our resident UD b-ball expert.  Key player for the Spartans will be Tyler Daugherty at guard.  After that there is a lot of potential but nothing real proven. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 25, 2007, 01:22:02 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on October 25, 2007, 01:01:34 PM
Welcome to the board Dr. Phil.

Let me tell you, I'm having some issues regarding my mother and...oh wait, never mind. 

For UD you should probably talk to keith45.  He is our resident UD b-ball expert.  Key player for the Spartans will be Tyler Daugherty at guard.  After that there is a lot of potential but nothing real proven. 
wow I'm an EXPERT!!! woo hooo
no seriously, Tyler will be back, and is the best lead guard in the conference..I think UD under acheived a bit the last few years, having 2 of the best scoring guards in the conference...but behind him, a lot of unknowns..Jeremy Weaks, a 6-5 so will be back inside, as will 6-7 Matt McDonald so..McDonald was decent last year, then broke his hand..a few more athletes on the inside with decent size...I'm hoping UD gets 1-2 of those athletes to step up, that can get them to top 5...if not, look for a 7-8 place for them..they lost 4 seniors, 2 of which played, 1 was an all american
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: primetime on October 25, 2007, 03:30:51 PM
The conference does lose some very talented players such as Thomas, Driftmier, and Kilburg but does return some pretty good talent. I think this year it will be even more balanced than last. Here are my top 10 at the guard spot, wing spot, and post.
Guards:
1. Daugherty- Dubuque
2. Clark- Central
3. LaDew- Cornell
4. Franklin- Buena Vista
5. Ley- Central
6. Mason- Wartburg
7. Wagner- Buena Vista
8. Tierney- Cornell
9. Centella- Loras
10. Brungard- Coe
Wings
1. Nelson- Wartburg
2. Oeth- Loras
3. Stribe- Buena Vista
4. Kolze- Loras
5. Bildstein- Luther
6. Cody- Cornell
7. Hanna- Coe
8. Person- Buena Vista
9. Lang- Central
10. Schmidt- Wartburg
Posts
1. Kuenstling- Coe
2. White- Loras
3. Fogleman- Buena Vista
4. Brantner- Luther
5. Slater- Loras
6. Dunlavy- Simpson
7. Pedersen- Central
8. Cleveland- Buena Vista
9. Stark- Wartburg
10. Ferezy- Simpson
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on October 26, 2007, 03:01:50 PM
Primetime - this is a huge help as I follow the action.  Thanks a lot.

How many of the teams have preseason or exhibition games against D1 or D2 teams this year.  I know Coe will play Regis  ( D2 RMAC ) out in Denver in December, which will be a regular season game.

ohh and I am not a Dr, just playing one on the board!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on October 27, 2007, 02:20:03 AM
I know that Simpson is playing at Iowa, Wartburg at UNI and Dubuque at Iowa State. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on October 28, 2007, 12:51:28 PM
If you were wondering about Loras' new Athletic Wellness Center, pictures are hard to come by for some reason, but here is a video that shows the Duhawks practicing in the facility for the first time.

//http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K3GgThFVuU

The AWC still lacks seating as of this week.  The offices and other rooms aren't quite finished either, but it looks pretty good at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on October 29, 2007, 04:56:52 PM
Still kinda tough to gauge what the ARC will look like on GameNight without the seats in place.  At the very least, it looks like it'll be much better lit than the Fieldhouse was - No more "Dewey's Dungeon."  Also, I hope somebody cut them a deal on paint or that center court logo must have cost a bundle.  That thing is HUGE!

As far as IIAC teams playing D1s, Central and Cornell are both playing Drake (Central in an exhibition and Cornell during the regular season).  I also heard Dubuque will be playing Central Florida (the last D1 to lose to an IIAC team) over Christmas break.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on October 29, 2007, 08:02:55 PM
Wartburg is playing UNI again this year.
Sat.     Dec. 15     UNI     Cedar Falls     7:05 PM

The Knights scrimmaged Mt. Mercy for 3 20 min. periods yesterday. After a 9-0 start by MMC it was pretty even the rest of the way. A lot of different combinations on the floor.

They will also scrimmage UW-P'ville Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on October 31, 2007, 02:31:16 AM
What's up everyone, I'm new in the post for this IIAC message board...Anyone know when the season previews are suppose to come out??

How about any preseason predictions, I'd like to hear how everyone thinks the IIAC will unfold this season...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on October 31, 2007, 05:31:07 PM
Sounds like Kirkwood got the best of Loras in a recent scrimmage, but their next warm-up sounds pretty interesting.  The Duhawks are planing on an exhibition against coach Gorton's former school, and 06-07 Top 10 finisher, St. Thomas. 

The Tommies look slightly down this season, but they always seem to make the best of what they have.....so I'll be curious to see what comes of it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 02, 2007, 12:38:32 AM
In an exihition game from Ames.  ISU 66 - 38 over Dubuque
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 02, 2007, 12:48:48 AM
ouch...but holding them to 66 isnt bad..did Tyler play, I know he rolled his ankle this week in a scrimmage
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 02, 2007, 07:55:18 AM
Quote from: keith45 on November 02, 2007, 12:48:48 AM
ouch...but holding them to 66 isnt bad..did Tyler play, I know he rolled his ankle this week in a scrimmage

I was only able to listen in right as it went to halftime and the last minute of the game.  The article I read said he wouldn't be playing so I would guess he didn't play.  UD needed you in their as a special "guest player" 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 02, 2007, 09:49:22 AM
not bad as one of the post players scored 17.....if scores 17 against a big 12 player...then what is he going to do in the iiac......or was that just because tyler was out and they were feeding the post?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 02, 2007, 10:57:24 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 02, 2007, 07:55:18 AM
Quote from: keith45 on November 02, 2007, 12:48:48 AM
ouch...but holding them to 66 isnt bad..did Tyler play, I know he rolled his ankle this week in a scrimmage

I was only able to listen in right as it went to halftime and the last minute of the game.  The article I read said he wouldn't be playing so I would guess he didn't play.  UD needed you in their as a special "guest player" 
if that was the case, UD would have score 80 and gave up 120!!! I was never known for defense!!
UD will have an interesting team, they have a big athletic 3 player from Houston (Dre Porter) and the 6-7 post from Houston (Matt McDonald)..I think one of them must have scored the 17, havent seen a box score yet
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 02, 2007, 12:45:12 PM
Keith held to the belief that if you waste too much energy on defending you won't have the stamina to make shots on the offensive end of the court ;D

The ladies like the big scorer...not the guy who works hard on D!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 02, 2007, 02:38:47 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 02, 2007, 12:45:12 PM
Keith held to the belief that if you waste too much energy on defending you won't have the stamina to make shots on the offensive end of the court ;D

The ladies like the big scorer...not the guy who works hard on D!!!

I had 2 games in which I had 5 blocked shots!! that's defense!!!
ok, weak side blocks doesnt make a defender, but that's all I got....
like D'Antoni says, the goal of the game is to make baskets
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 02, 2007, 02:57:18 PM
You miss 100% of the shots you don't take!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 09, 2007, 12:29:09 PM
2007-08 IOWA CONFERENCE MEN'S BASKETBALL PREVIEW
CEDAR RAPIDS, IOWA . . . Loras College, which earned its first Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (IIAC) men's basketball title since 1951 last year, is the coaches' pick to repeat as the 2007-08 IIAC Champions. The Duhawks received eight of nine first-place votes, totaling the maximum 72 points in the IIAC men's basketball Coaches' Poll.

The complete 2007-08 IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll follows.
Rank School (1st place votes) Points 2006-07 Record
1 Loras (8) 72 (21-7, 15-1 IIAC)
2 Buena Vista (1) 64 (17-9, 11-5 IIAC)
3 Coe 58 (19-8, 11-5 IIAC)
4 Wartburg 48 (11-15, 5-11 IIAC)
5 Central 45 (11-14, 8-8 IIAC)
6 Cornell 36 (8-17, 4-12 IIAC)
7 Simpson 34 (18-9, 10-6 IIAC)
8 Dubuque 27 (11-14, 5-11 IIAC)
9 Luther 22 (5-20, 3-13 IIAC)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 09, 2007, 01:39:47 PM
Woo hoo, dubuque is ahead of somebody!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 12, 2007, 09:04:22 AM
no way we are worse than Cornell
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 12, 2007, 03:58:44 PM
hahah....Cornell really cant be that good this year, Keith does have a point here.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 12, 2007, 05:08:31 PM
so since Loras is the class of the IIAC this year, how long can I hold on to UD's football success on this board?? till 08?? Early December??
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 12, 2007, 09:04:40 PM
Just remember between Dubuque and Loras which team has more IIAC titles!!! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 13, 2007, 12:25:39 PM
I dont see Loras football being good for awhile.  I can possibly see 2-3 more years of dominance for the Spartans.  The new coach is still getting used to recruiting the eastern side of the state along with the Chicago area.

I do know Loras beat St. Thomas over the weekend in a tough game.  Anytime you beat a MIAC team means the year can be something special for the DuHawks.  This Friday they play the other cross town rival, Clark.  Should be a great game and atmosphere for the town! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 14, 2007, 07:44:47 PM
Are the DuHawks up to the challenge to repeat this year, I think so.

Loras returns its entire starting lineup and eight letterwinners from last season's 21-7 team that captured the school's first Iowa Conference title since 1951 with a 15-1 mark and advanced to the NCAA Tournament, but the Duhawks will have to adjust to new head coach Greg Gorton. Defending Iowa Conference Most Valuable Player Kyle White was Loras' leading scorer and rebounder last year. White averaged 13.4 points and 6.8 rebounds and shot 50.0 percent from the field, ranking 11th, 4th, and 12th in the IIAC, respectively. Luke Slater, a First
Team All-Conference selection, averaged 12.4 points and 5.6 rebounds per game, which ranked 14th and sixth in the Conference. Slater was also in the IIAC's top-15 in field goal percentage (13th, 48.5 percent), free throw percentage (4th, 87.2 percent), three-point field goal percentage (9th, 38.8 percent), and blocked shots (14th, 0.61/game). Second Team All-IIAC guard Ricky Kolze was the Duhawks' second-leading scorer with a 13.4 point per game average, ranking 12th in the Conference. Kolze also ranked third in the IIAC in three-point field goal percentage (42.2 percent) and 15th in field goal percentage (48.4 percent).
Loras head coach Greg Gorton says, "The Loras men's basketball team returns a group of experienced Iowa Conference players. The team is excited and hungry to prove itself."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on November 14, 2007, 08:49:09 PM
Interesting and lot of great stats, but what you fail to note, is that Loras was very lucky to beat Coe  on 1/9 - I believe the game was in the bag until a a colapse in the waining minutes of that game.

How about the conference game - Coe had them down and out and once again Loras was fortunate to win that battle.

I cant see Coe falling apart like that two years in a row!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 15, 2007, 10:11:18 AM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on November 14, 2007, 08:49:09 PM
Interesting and lot of great stats, but what you fail to note, is that Loras was very lucky to beat Coe  on 1/9 - I believe the game was in the bag until a a colapse in the waining minutes of that game.

How about the conference game - Coe had them down and out and once again Loras was fortunate to win that battle.

I cant see Coe falling apart like that two years in a row!!

Just like Central in football...Loras in basketball finds ways to win.  It's not just luck, Loras has a good team.  (that is hard for a UD man to say ;D)  It will be interesting to see how the switch to the new coach turns out.  Loras hired from within so I would think it will go smooth. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on November 15, 2007, 11:02:11 AM
Touche doolittledog...Good teams find ways to win. And I suspect that the transition to Greg Gorton will go very smooth. They are running pretty much all of the same stuff and when Chad Walthall was in command last year, he gave Gorton the ability to make decisions as a head coach would. So things with Gorton aren't so much new as they are common.

The real question is, can BV, Coe, or Wartburg give the Duhawks a legitimate run this year, or will Loras match their 15-1 IIAC mark, or dare I say it...run the table?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on November 15, 2007, 09:28:37 PM
The Duhawks did beat St. Thomas in a scrimmage last weekend and host Clarke in the new AWC on Friday.

Loras will have to beat the Crusaders, and others, without key bench player Rex Parker who is out for the season with an injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 15, 2007, 11:20:58 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on November 15, 2007, 11:02:11 AM
The real question is, can BV, Coe, or Wartburg give the Duhawks a legitimate run this year, or will Loras match their 15-1 IIAC mark, or dare I say it...run the table?

Are you kidding me?

Let's see...BV won 5 straight IIAC conference tournaments before last year.  BV returns all 5 starters on the team that led the IIAC in scoring last season.  So yeah, I think they can maybe give almighty Loras a legitimate run this year. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on November 16, 2007, 12:06:00 AM
We'll see...Ten of Loras' 15 regular season conference wins were by double digits and they added two more with walk away wins at home in the conference tournament.

They too have all 5 starters coming back and add depth to their 4,5 positions. The fire burns deep following their 84-82 OT loss to St. John's in the first round of the Nat'l Tournament. Not saying that nobody else has a chance, but everybody in the IIAC has a lot of catching up to do...including those beloved Beavers.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on November 16, 2007, 10:07:51 PM
Coe 23
Wisconsin Lutheran 24
At the half
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 16, 2007, 10:55:43 PM
BV hammers St. Olaf tonight, 89-70.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on November 16, 2007, 11:04:29 PM
woah....Loras got blown out by Clarke tonight....White and Oeth were way off.  The only brightspot might have been the play of Brian Centella who posted a 20 point night.

Good energy in the new AWC all night.  The crowd tried to get them back in it, but the Duhawks couldn't get much closer than nine.  Missed free throws killed them all night.

Bynum was amazing for Clarke; he was making shots from everywhere!  The Duhawk defense wasn't even that bad, the Crusaders just couldn't miss.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on November 17, 2007, 12:34:23 AM
Clarke shot an incredible 67% from the field and 73% from beyond the arc...and that was for the entire game. Simply "En fuego"!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 17, 2007, 01:51:07 AM
Shocking to see the new Loras regime going down so easily to cross town rival, Clarke......good thing they are a NAIA team now.  Dont get your hopes up......the DuHawks are for real and will be ready once conference rolls around.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 17, 2007, 10:36:07 AM
73% from behind the arc is pretty tough.

Wagner was only 71% and Stribe was 100% last night for BV.

BV travels to Augustana (S.D.) to play tonight.

BV, Coe, Cornell, and Dubuque start the season off with back-to-back road games. (Although I don't know if UD's trip to St. Louis College of Pharmacy should count... :D)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Golden Norver on November 17, 2007, 10:55:02 AM
Great to see the Beavers start off the year with a win.  But that is a team they should beat.  Tonight will be A LOT TOUGHER. Playing at Augustana, a team that beat Minnesota Crookston by 46 last night will be a stiff challenge.

Live stats and web cast
http://goaugie.com/section_front.asp?arttypeid=848
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 17, 2007, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: The Show on November 17, 2007, 10:36:07 AM
73% from behind the arc is pretty tough.

Wagner was only 71% and Stribe was 100% last night for BV.

BV travels to Augustana (S.D.) to play tonight.

BV, Coe, Cornell, and Dubuque start the season off with back-to-back road games. (Although I don't know if UD's trip to St. Louis College of Pharmacy should count... :D)

I was kind of thinking that to.  BUT, a win is a win for a young team.  Especially one that hasn't made the conference tourney in awhile. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 17, 2007, 11:56:20 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 17, 2007, 01:51:07 AM
Shocking to see the new Loras regime going down so easily to cross town rival, Clarke......good thing they are a NAIA team now.  Dont get your hopes up......the DuHawks are for real and will be ready once conference rolls around.

Remember, as an NAIA team Clarke starts its season two weeks earlier than does Loras. For the Crusaders, last night was their fourth game of the season. Those two extra weeks of practice and the three preliminary games might've made a difference last night against the Duhawks. That's part of the peril of scheduling an NAIA team as your first opponent of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 17, 2007, 10:46:01 PM
BV is able to pull off the victory in S.D. tonight, 72-71.  Wish I would've been able to tune in, saw we were down 9 at the half.

Great start fellas!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 18, 2007, 08:25:30 AM
Dubuque beats Greenville College in Greenville, IL last night 80-66  They pulled away in the 2nd half after leading 35-34 at halftime.  Looking at the stats it looks like they were putting up a lot of 3's.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 18, 2007, 08:53:16 PM
Even though he isn't IIAC anymore, congratulations to coach Clarke College coach (and former UD coach) Jon Davison on his 500th collegiate victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 18, 2007, 09:47:29 PM
Just so everyone is aware....Loras mens soccer is in the D3 Final 4 down in Orlando.....good luck DuHawks....bring the ship home!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 18, 2007, 10:36:56 PM
Neat.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on November 20, 2007, 05:05:03 PM
Best small college basketball game tonight is Loras vs Wheaton in Dubuque.  Both teams have been ranked in top 25 preseason polls.  Wheaton is on a 2 game win-streak and Loras has yet to win at their new home court.  Kent Raymond is the real deal....first team All-American as a junior!  Loras should let him get his 30 points per game and focus on shutting down the rest of the Thunder.  I say the Duhawks will come from behind to win by 4 tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 20, 2007, 11:04:52 PM
Nice to see some chatter here on the basketball board now that the season is up and running.  Also good to not have to listen to some of Meeneesoootaans that have invaded the football side of things heading into Saturday's Central-Johnnies matchup. 

Was shocked when I heard Clarke beat Loras on Friday.  Was even more shocked when I saw Clarke's stat line.  Wow.  Davison might want to try to schedule a few Clarkie home games in the AWC instead of at the Kehl Center.

Saw both Wartburg games over the weekend.  Knights are still getting the feel for everyone.  Won't much upperclassmen leadership on the squad, with only a handful of upperclassmen on the roster and only about 4 that actually see the floor (3 now during Lee Nelson's suspension).  Some of the younger guys looked pretty good over the weekend, and when this team gels - whether it be later this season or into next year - the rest of the league better look out.  Levick Arena is beautiful and is easily one, if not the nicest venue in the league now (holding off calling it for sure until I see Loras' new place in person).  Only down side is that after a year of nothing but road games, the Wartburg fans are still learning how to create a home court advantage.  They'll get there, though.  They had some good guys to learn from a few years back.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 20, 2007, 11:59:09 PM
After stumbling from the gate, the Kohawks were impressive in crushing Mt. Mercy tonight. Kuenstling was as dominant as ever and it appears to have been a very good recruiting year for Coach Juckem. I'm looking forward to lots of excitement in Eby Fieldhouse this winter.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 21, 2007, 12:08:18 AM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on November 20, 2007, 11:59:09 PM
After stumbling from the gate, the Kohawks were impressive in crushing Mt. Mercy tonight. Kuenstling was as dominant as ever and it appears to have been a very good recruiting year for Coach Juckem. I'm looking forward to lots of excitement in Eby Fieldhouse this winter.
Speaking of Coe's new recruits...
Charlie, do you know if Juckem is making a concerted effort to go after more out of staters than Iowa kids.  I know his background is more Wisconsin/Illinois, but in looking over the roster, only 3 guys that he would have recruited are native Iowans.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 21, 2007, 12:20:16 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on November 21, 2007, 12:08:18 AM
Speaking of Coe's new recruits...
Charlie, do you know if Juckem is making a concerted effort to go after more out of staters than Iowa kids.  I know his background is more Wisconsin/Illinois, but in looking over the roster, only 3 guys that he would have recruited are native Iowans.
I don't pretend to have any inside knowledge here, but that would appear to be the pattern. And it fits with Coe's efforts to improve geographic diversity. But I count four Iowans and six out-of-staters among Juckem's recruits over the past two years. That seems like a healthy mix to me.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 22, 2007, 09:12:09 AM
Congratulations to the Dutch on a nice win over Bethany Lutheran last night, 83-72.  This year's team appears to have a much better balance than in past years.  We have some great outside shooters and it is really nice to not have to try to force the ball inside where we tended to turn it over so much in past years.  It was a fun game with Central coming from 13 points down to win by 11. 

Happy Thanksgiving to one and all.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 24, 2007, 11:54:42 AM
Dubuque is leading the IIAC at 3-0!!!

OK, I realize nobody has played head-to-head yet and when conference play begins Dubuque will likely slide down the standings.  I just had to put this up before all that happends.  Hopefully Dubuque can get into the top 6 this year and get to play in the conference tourney.  They almost made it last year.

Go Spartans!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 26, 2007, 12:07:42 AM
Great for UD.....they need to get wins early in the season.......Loras found there first win tonight over Mt. Mercy, winning by more than 20. 

Kolze and White put up some nice numbers. 

The Duhawks should be ready come Wednesday to take on the Dutch and start their champioship run.

Go DuHawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 28, 2007, 02:14:45 PM
Conference play begins tonight.

Central @ Loras
Cornell @ Luther
Dubuque @ BV
Simpson @ Wartburg
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 28, 2007, 04:43:29 PM
My picks for the night:
Loras over Central
Luther over Cornell
BV over UD
Wartburg over Simpson

All the home teams!

Go DuHawks lets start the conference season off with a bang.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 28, 2007, 09:45:20 PM
Hey Rock Chalk, if you will be at tonights game let me know how the atmosphere is like at the Duhawks new place compared to the old barn.

For Iowa fans, they loved the comfort that Carver-Hawkeye gave them when that place opened up 25 years ago but almost all of us felt we lost a lot of the rowdy atmosphere that really gave the Hawks a home court advantage at the old field house. 

I am just curious if the same thing happends at Loras. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 28, 2007, 09:52:57 PM
At the half, BV is leading Dubuque 46 - 17  :o :o :o

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on November 28, 2007, 11:01:42 PM
Loras wins by 20 ...... I cant comment on the atmosphere as I was not at the game, but I am sure it was good as all the students are back from break now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on November 29, 2007, 11:42:22 AM
The atmosphere at Loras Wednesday night wasn't anything near spectacular like it was against Clarke opening night. It's a shame because Kyle White was in rare form putting up his first double double of the season, 21 points 17 rebounds in their 20 point win over the Dutch.

Can anyone comment on the other games around the IIAC last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 29, 2007, 02:46:51 PM
Can't really comment because I wasn't there and didn't get to listen to it...but BV beat the snot out of UD 91 - 58
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on December 01, 2007, 03:17:49 PM
     At the half at Ebby                           

                                     1st 2nd Total
Augustana                     27         27
Coe College Kohawks   18          18
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_b on December 01, 2007, 04:00:14 PM
The Loras-North Park matchup has been postponed till Monday, per the North Park website:

"CHICAGO, IL (December 1, 2007) – Due to inclement weather, the North Park men's basketball contest at Loras College for tonight at 7:30 p.m. has been postponed to Monday.

The junior varsity contest is scheduled for 5:15 p.m. on Monday, Dec. 3 and the varsity game will be played at 7:30 p.m."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on December 01, 2007, 04:13:18 PM
Final

Coe 45
Augustana 58

Unfortunatley not quite enough this afternoon.  They played hard but
Coe only shot 38% for 2s and 26.7% (4/15) for 3s.  Much too low to upset a top 4 team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on December 03, 2007, 11:18:02 PM
Loras looked good tonight beating the team picked to finish 4th in the CCIW, North Park, 70-62. Kyle White finished with his second consecutive double-double, 13 pts and 10 boards.

Three other Duhawks finished in double figures as well to provide a very balanced scoring attack. Loras dominated the glass 43-26 and held the Vikings to just 37.5% shooting.

That's three wins in a row after starting the season 0-2 and Loras has lost just 1 game in the month of December in each of the last two seasons. We'll see if the trend continues.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on December 04, 2007, 07:28:34 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on December 03, 2007, 11:18:02 PM
...Loras has lost just 1 game in the month of December in each of the last two seasons. We'll see if the trend continues.

That's not true...I was misinformed...Loras in fact lost 4 games last December...it's the month of January that they've had a lot of success in the past.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 04, 2007, 11:30:09 PM
Matt Cleveland played a heck of a game as BV took down Clarke Monday night, 76-67.

Coe's up next tomorrow night.  Should be a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 05, 2007, 02:25:25 PM
UD by 8 over Loras tonight! Dre Porter has a big game, I dont think Loras' bigs can guard him on the wing and perimeter.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 05, 2007, 04:34:57 PM
Quote from: keith45 on December 05, 2007, 02:25:25 PM
UD by 8 over Loras tonight! Dre Porter has a big game, I dont think Loras' bigs can guard him on the wing and perimeter.

I already told my wife I would be listening to the game over the internet tonight.  She just sighed and said "whatever" 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Golden Norver on December 05, 2007, 05:30:16 PM
BV Coach VH shares his thoughts on his blog

http://web.bvu.edu/blogs/coachescorner/category/Men%27s+Basketball
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 05, 2007, 06:47:23 PM
Loras by 6 in a tight game down to the wire......Kolze and Centella will have huge games.  Kyle White will be a load down low.

Go DuHawks......lets keep it rolling.  The town of Dubuque is on your side.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 05, 2007, 07:20:19 PM
by the way all White needs is 11 points tonight to break 1,000pts....He will, congrats to Kyle.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 05, 2007, 11:35:56 PM
BV knocks off Coe in a close one tonight 64-63.  Stribe led the way with 15 and it was pretty even scoring from the rest of the squad.

Looked like Loras pounded on Dubuque.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on December 05, 2007, 11:42:00 PM
Quite a battle tonight at Eby Fieldhouse. The clincher came near the end when Kuenstling got a bloody nose while, allegedly, committing a foul. Both teams wanted it bad. Gotta love the intensity of conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on December 05, 2007, 11:47:46 PM
Loras wins 67-44 thanks to 15 a piece from Ricky Kolze and Luke Slater. Kyle White sits on exactly 1,000 points after scoring 11. Game was never close and the Duhawks didnt let the game get under double digits at all in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on December 06, 2007, 01:26:45 AM
Quote from: The Show on December 05, 2007, 11:35:56 PM
BV knocks off Coe in a close one tonight 64-63.  Stribe led the way with 15 and it was pretty even scoring from the rest of the squad.

Looked like Loras pounded on Dubuque.

Kyle Kuenstling and Rob Hanna both had 15 for Coe as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 06, 2007, 09:33:36 AM
Congratulations to the Dutch on a nice win over Wartburg last night 89-83.  I think Wartburg was up by maybe 12 in the second half, but Central found a way.  Geez, I think I've heard that somewhere before.   :o  Awesome night for Brett De Hoogh.  Wartburg seemed to be at the free throw line all night long, hitting 25 of 30.  Glad it was them fouling us at the end of the game the way they were shooting from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 06, 2007, 01:00:48 PM
UD has been smoked in their two IIAC games so far this season.  I am hoping it has been a combination of poor play taken together with maybe already playing the top 2 teams in the conference.  Again, I just hope they can find a way to sneak into the top 6 in conference so they can make the conference tourney for this year.  Then in the coming years work their way up a notch or 2 each season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 06, 2007, 01:07:12 PM
Wart/Central Game
Wartburg was up 12 with 14 minutes to go, but with about 10 minutes left Jarrett Williams tore his achilles tendon. He had 17 points when he got hurt.  He will be missed. A guy who would shoot the 3, drive and always hustles.

CORRECTION Wart was 25-30 from the line but only 13-17 in 2nd half.  If they would have shot anywhere near that well from the line against Grinnell they would have beat then earlier this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 06, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on December 06, 2007, 01:07:12 PM
Wart/Central Game
Wartburg was up 12 with 14 minutes to go, but with about 10 minutes left Jarrett Williams tore his achilles tendon. He had 17 points when he got hurt.  He will be missed. A guy who would shoot the 3, drive and always hustles.

CORRECTION Wart was 25-30 from the line but only 13-17 in 2nd half.  If they would have shot anywhere near that well from the line against Grinnell they would have beat then earlier this year.
You are correct, AN, sorry about that.  Either way, it seemed like WB was at the free throw line all night and entirely too consistent.  WB had only one less made from the stripe than Central had trips there.  Really frustrating to see great players spend most of the game in foul trouble, but a real tribute to the team that they could still win in that situation.

It is nice to see Central continuing their progressive improvement under Boshee.  Next year will be real telling though as we have a lot of talent graduating.  Then again, I haven't seen two of the players that are scheduled to be joining the team now that football is over.  Leuschen had a great year last year and Brondyke. the all conference punter is scheduled to join the team.  As a cousin to Vance Schuring, athletic ability runs in the family.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 06, 2007, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 06, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Leuschen had a great year last year and Brondyke. the all conference punter is scheduled to join the team.  As a cousin to Vance Schuring, athletic ability runs in the family.

How athletic can a punter be???  ;D   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 06, 2007, 08:47:43 PM
Quote from: The Show on December 06, 2007, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 06, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Leuschen had a great year last year and Brondyke. the all conference punter is scheduled to join the team.  As a cousin to Vance Schuring, athletic ability runs in the family.

How athletic can a punter be???  ;D   ;)

Reggie Roby comes to mind as an athletic punter...but I get what you meant  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on December 06, 2007, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 06, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on December 06, 2007, 01:07:12 PM
Wart/Central Game
Wartburg was up 12 with 14 minutes to go, but with about 10 minutes left Jarrett Williams tore his achilles tendon. He had 17 points when he got hurt.  He will be missed. A guy who would shoot the 3, drive and always hustles.

CORRECTION Wart was 25-30 from the line but only 13-17 in 2nd half.  If they would have shot anywhere near that well from the line against Grinnell they would have beat then earlier this year.
You are correct, AN, sorry about that.  Either way, it seemed like WB was at the free throw line all night and entirely too consistent.  WB had only one less made from the stripe than Central had trips there.  Really frustrating to see great players spend most of the game in foul trouble, but a real tribute to the team that they could still win in that situation.
Good as Wartburg was at the line, they didn't get there near enough.  Wartburg went into the bonus with 13 and a half left and the double bonus at the 8 minute mark.  From that point, they only attempted 7 free throws.  8 minutes in the double bonus and you only get 7 free throws.

Wartburg did not look real great defensively.  Talking with Coach Steege after the game, that was one of the biggest gripes.  Nobody identified the shooters and Central drove and kicked all night.  Keith Peterson tore Wartburg up in the 2nd half because nobody made him use his right hand.  Kid goes left every time and Wartburg couldn't stop it.  Offensively, Wartburg seems to settle for the outside shot way too much.  Save for Mason every now and then and the injured Williams, nobody takes the ball to the hole.  22 three attempts doesn't seem like that many, but its a lot more than you would have seen from Wartburg in the Steege/Schmidt/Cartmill or Pipho/Olsen/Osterhouse eras.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 07, 2007, 09:45:51 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 06, 2007, 08:47:43 PM
Quote from: The Show on December 06, 2007, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 06, 2007, 02:15:13 PM
Leuschen had a great year last year and Brondyke. the all conference punter is scheduled to join the team.  As a cousin to Vance Schuring, athletic ability runs in the family.

How athletic can a punter be???  ;D   ;)

Reggie Roby comes to mind as an athletic punter...but I get what you meant  ;D

Well, he must have been more athletic than the other IIAC punters, since he made first team.   :P  As to basketball, I guess we will wait and see.  Schuring started on two state basketball championship teams and was IIAC football MVP twice, so I'm just giving Brondyke associative properties based on how he did as a freshman punter.  I guess time will tell.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 07, 2007, 09:56:40 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on December 06, 2007, 10:17:56 PM

Good as Wartburg was at the line, they didn't get there near enough.  Wartburg went into the bonus with 13 and a half left and the double bonus at the 8 minute mark.  From that point, they only attempted 7 free throws.  8 minutes in the double bonus and you only get 7 free throws.

Wartburg did not look real great defensively.  Talking with Coach Steege after the game, that was one of the biggest gripes.  Nobody identified the shooters and Central drove and kicked all night.  Keith Peterson tore Wartburg up in the 2nd half because nobody made him use his right hand.  Kid goes left every time and Wartburg couldn't stop it.  Offensively, Wartburg seems to settle for the outside shot way too much.  Save for Mason every now and then and the injured Williams, nobody takes the ball to the hole.  22 three attempts doesn't seem like that many, but its a lot more than you would have seen from Wartburg in the Steege/Schmidt/Cartmill or Pipho/Olsen/Osterhouse eras.
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Trust me, the Central fans thought Wartburg got there way more than enough.   :'(  And that Central didn't get there as often as they should have.  Guess we all have our school colored shades on don't we?  Either way, it was a nice win for the Dutch.  I hope to see some movement up the IIAC ladder for the Dutch men this year.  With Loras over and done for this half of the conference season, we have a good shot at moving our record up over the next few weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on December 07, 2007, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Klompen on December 07, 2007, 09:56:40 AM
Trust me, the Central fans thought Wartburg got there way more than enough.   :'(  And that Central didn't get there as often as they should have.  Guess we all have our school colored shades on don't we? 
I think you're missing my point.  I'm not complaining about the refs - they did an average to decent job compared to other IIAC crews.  What I'm saying is that the Wartburg players should have taken upon themselves to attack the basket and try to get some of those foul calls after they were already in the double bonus. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 07, 2007, 11:37:50 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on December 07, 2007, 11:22:59 AM
Quote from: Klompen on December 07, 2007, 09:56:40 AM
Trust me, the Central fans thought Wartburg got there way more than enough.   :'(  And that Central didn't get there as often as they should have.  Guess we all have our school colored shades on don't we? 
I think you're missing my point.  I'm not complaining about the refs - they did an average to decent job compared to other IIAC crews.  What I'm saying is that the Wartburg players should have taken upon themselves to attack the basket and try to get some of those foul calls after they were already in the double bonus. 
I do see your point.  If I were WB, I would have been attacking those guys playing with 4 fouls that couldn't afford to play defense with the risk of fouling out.  I think you're missing my point.  I was complaining... :o :o :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 08, 2007, 11:55:45 PM
Loras defeats University of Chicago in Dubuque this evening.  After being up by 15 with about 6 minutes left, Loras allowed Chicago back in the game through careless defense and poor shot selection.  The University of Chicago had to have missed at least a dozen free throws and then lost by six.  Loras was strong on the boards with several offensive putbacks.  The Duhawks look ready to defend their IIAC championship!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on December 09, 2007, 12:01:08 PM
Quote from: coebball70 on December 08, 2007, 11:55:45 PM
Loras defeats University of Chicago in Dubuque this evening.  After being up by 15 with about 6 minutes left, Loras allowed Chicago back in the game through careless defense and poor shot selection.  The University of Chicago had to have missed at least a dozen free throws and then lost by six.  Loras was strong on the boards with several offensive putbacks.  The Duhawks look ready to defend their IIAC championship!

Their defense looked stellar minus that 11-0 run they gave up late in the game. Chicago had free throw shooters averaging in the 80s and even 90s who were missing front ends and sometimes even both ends at the line. They finished 7-for-20 from the line. That's just unacceptable. But when it came down to needing a big shot it was Ricky Kolze who answered. Duhawks may not be the most athletic team in the conference, but they have a lot of guys who can fill in and step up when need be.

I'm lookin forward to the thick of the conference season when coe, bv, wartburg, and loras are battling it out for IIAC supremacy
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 10, 2007, 05:47:40 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on December 09, 2007, 12:01:08 PM

I'm lookin forward to the thick of the conference season when coe, bv, wartburg, and loras are battling it out for IIAC supremacy

I'm hoping that Central can be in that mix at the end of the year.  They beat Wartburg twice last year and won this year's first meeting, they split with Coe and BV, so if they could quit stumbling in the other games, they could have a shot at moving towards the top.  Loras still seems the real team to beat, but I would love to see the Dutch battling for 2nd.  It has been too long.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on December 13, 2007, 11:01:06 AM
Last year's Mr. Basketball, Clayton Vette, has left the Iowa State Basketball team. Speculation on some ISU boards is that he will be in Orange and Black for the second semester. Merry Christmas Coach Peth.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 13, 2007, 05:21:11 PM
WH - I just talked to  AEN Jr. - a b-ball manager @ Wart. + formerly @ W-SR and he didn't think Vette would go all the way down to D3. Maybe JC than to Iowa City. But Jr. is still checkin' w/ former HS teammates. But he thought Peth would NOT be opposed to Christmas transfer even though last seasons Christmas present only lasted 1 semester and also cost another post player transferring to UIU.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 14, 2007, 10:58:34 AM
UD men lose big to UW-Platteville last night 82-50

Hey Keith45...I was looking at the UD website and saw you on there.  They list you as a senior on the basketball team!!!  Of course that section of the website apparently hasn't been updated in 7 YEARS!!!  It was in the viewbook section. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 14, 2007, 03:47:30 PM
I'm famous!!! lol
I guess UW-P was still mad about that loss we handed them last year, when they were ranked in the top 20...offense seems to be struggling lately..I really think Dre Porter will pick it up, if he gets more aggressive. He is hard to match up with on the wing.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on December 15, 2007, 09:19:04 PM
Kohawks hung with 12th-ranked Wash U. today but just couldn't pull it off...68-63...

Hopefully the Kohawks bounce back in their next 3 games...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on December 16, 2007, 07:27:33 PM
OUCH! Took one on the chin last night from the Panthers. Already outmanned at full strength and then having to play without 2 starters is tough.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on December 16, 2007, 11:47:09 PM
Kohawks back on the winning track today with a much needed win over Maryville.  Kuesntling looked like his old self with 32 points, 9 boards and 5 assists.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 18, 2007, 11:03:36 PM
Loras pounces Ashford by about 20 scoring almost 100 points.......look out for the DuHawks going into the new year......they have a tough game before break traveling to Lacrosse, lets see if they can get it done.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 19, 2007, 07:29:27 AM
Coach Peth - an background article
http://www.lacrossetribune.com/articles/2007/12/16/sports/01peth16.txt

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 19, 2007, 07:35:53 AM
WB - lost again @ home. This time #13 Augustana (Rock Island) 75-61. Down 12 @ 1/2 and by 18 w/ 15 to go cut it to 6 w/ 5 to go.  Shot 32% in first 1/2 and 40% for the game. Much better effort all over the court from Saturday. Played again w/out Mason. The Knights had a lot of good looks but shots would not fall.

Hope some time in AZ will help with shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on December 20, 2007, 12:07:09 AM
Coe beat Regis ( RMAC D2)  tonight in Denver 79-66!!!!!

Wow! What a game...Coe shoots 65.7% from the field to steal the game from the 6-3 Regis Rangers!  They were 7-9 for 3s as well.

Coe was up 35-27 at the half and just didnt let up their intensity in the 2nd.

They were the superior team with aggressive play all night and attempted 40 free throws, while making 26. Regis went to the line only16 times in the game.

This has to give the team a giant boost of confidence as they wrap up their Colorado trip with a visit to Colorado College in Colorado Springs on Friday.

The crowd was pro-Coe all night long and it was great to see such a large contingent of Colorado friends, family and alumni.

Kyle Kuentstling with 22 and 8 assists
Landon Stanfield 13
Cass Behrens 11

What a night!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 20, 2007, 01:05:34 AM
Sounds like Regis played more like Kelly. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 20, 2007, 10:26:50 PM
Prediction: Loras beats LaCrosse in a tight came before they go home for break......Kolze goes for a big night!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on December 21, 2007, 09:57:01 PM
Duhawks were a 73-67 winner over a LaCrosse team that handed Augie their first loss of the season a couple weeks ago. No Ricky Kolze tonight due to a sprained ankle he suffered against Ashford, but Brian Centella added 19 points while Luke Slater dropped in 16 points and 14 boards.

Loras outrebounded the Eagles 45-32 and kept freshman phenom, Tony Mane, in check for the most part until he tried to rally them back late in the second half.

Duhawks have the week off before heading to Defiance, OH for an end of the year tourney against some quality competition before the thick of the conference schedule.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 25, 2007, 10:19:43 PM
Merry Christmas to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on December 30, 2007, 12:01:30 AM
BV pounded on UW-Stout today, 97-79. Cleveland and Fogleman both posted double-doubles.

BV and Central were the only IIAC schools to win today.

BV will travel to Luther next who just got slaughtered by Texas-Dallas (80-35).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: edolee on December 30, 2007, 02:38:14 AM
Wartburg takes two from NWC teams in Arizona (PLU and Linfield) to take 3rd place in the tourney... Loses to Clark from Worcester, MA. in the 2nd round...

Hopefully got some warmth and will come back ready to go after the IIAC.

Ed
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on December 30, 2007, 03:18:16 AM
Loras loses tonight by 1 without Kolze.....nice effort by Centella.....they will get it rolling again....the break didnt help them.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 03, 2008, 09:25:19 PM
In an out of conference cross town somewhat of a rivalry game.  At the half Clarke is leading Dubuque 38-32
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2008, 08:23:35 AM
And Clarke pulls out the victory over Dubuque 82-70
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on January 05, 2008, 08:20:01 PM
Anyone view the Wartburg vs Loras game this afternoon?  I can't seem to find a box score.  How did the game flow and who did well for each team?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 05, 2008, 10:00:04 PM
Wartburg was in control for about the first 30 minutes, but Loras put together a nice run to pull even at 55 or so and never looked back.  Duhawks had a tough time shooting in the first half, but when the lid opened up, they went nuts, especially from the outside.  Loras does a real good job of ball movement, and some of the extra passes they made tonight really opened things up.  Kyle White tweaked an ankle midway thru the 2nd half and sat for a while, but was back in for the last 5 minutes or so.
Wartburg continues to live and die by the outside shot.  They are very guard-depleted right now with Williams and Mason on the shelf, so they aren't driving the lane as much as they probably need to.  Everything seemed to happen from the FT line out for Wartburg, especially down the stretch.  The injuries are also creating some rotation problems.  For most of tonight's game they went with a 4 post lineup.  Gave the Knights a rebounding edge, but also led to some turnovers due to shaky ball handling. 
Pace of the game was good in the 2nd half, but 20-25 total fouls in the first half kept either team from really getting into a good flow.  I don't know about some of these IIAC refs - they pick some very strange times to call a game close or swallow their whistles.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 06, 2008, 09:24:02 AM
When I saw last years Wartburg/Dubuque game at the west gym I thought the refs were terrible...but consistant.  They were equally bad for both teams so neither gained an advantage.  I saw more offensive foul calls in that game than I had seen in my whole life leading up to that game. 

Is Wartburg playing basketball in the W this season?  We were thinking of seeing the Wartburg/Dubuque game again this year but weren't sure where it was being played. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 06, 2008, 11:37:47 AM
SK - as a whole I thought the game yesterday was pretty well reffed. The older short balding ref does need sto go. The no call on the drive when the wrist slap echoed through out Levick was horrible.

I was sitting with Jarrett William's mom and grandparents and was told Jarret  had 1st cast replaced Thursday and healing is on schedule. He is planning on returning for next season.

The WC 1-3-1 defense worked pretty well for the first 3/4 of the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 06, 2008, 05:51:00 PM
Another nice win yesterday by the Kohawks.  They led by 17 at one point and held on to beat a stingy Simpson squad on the road...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 07, 2008, 09:37:29 PM
The Wartburg all-Knights gym members has been released.

http://www.go-knights.net/news/Article.aspx?ID=2411

The members from the 2000's are
TROY OSTERHAUS '01
MIKE PIPHO '03
NATE SCHMIDT '06
JASON STEEGE '06
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on January 07, 2008, 11:45:32 PM
Looking forward to that BV vs. Loras match up as the season progresses more.  Looks as BV will be at the top of the IIAC for another season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on January 08, 2008, 11:09:12 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on January 07, 2008, 11:45:32 PM
Looking forward to that BV vs. Loras match up as the season progresses more.  Looks as BV will be at the top of the IIAC for another season. 

Are you predicting a BV victory Klopenhiemer?...if so, please justify your answer just for the sake of discussion.  I'm interested in hearing your reasoning as to why BV will be at the top this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on January 08, 2008, 11:47:40 AM
BV over Loras this year.....I dont see it happening....I think Loras maybe the dominant team for years to come.  They are just so physical, hard match up for many teams in the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on January 10, 2008, 12:35:46 AM
Tim Riggans, I mean, Brian Brungard hit three bombs in OT to lead Coe over Dubuque, 73-60. It was nice to have the students back, but the crowd was disappointing. The officiating seemed to need to break off some holiday rust too.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on January 12, 2008, 09:30:34 AM
Quote from: birds of prey on January 08, 2008, 11:09:12 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on January 07, 2008, 11:45:32 PM
Looking forward to that BV vs. Loras match up as the season progresses more.  Looks as BV will be at the top of the IIAC for another season. 

Are you predicting a BV victory Klopenhiemer?...if so, please justify your answer just for the sake of discussion.  I'm interested in hearing your reasoning as to why BV will be at the top this year...

For one reason they have a tenure at the top.  They are well coached by one the best coaches in the west region.  They are fundamentally sound, Franklin, Foggeman, and Bissen are all strong players. 

Of course I am predicting a BV victory.  Best of luck to both teams this season.  It is going to be fun to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2008, 08:20:24 PM
Dubuque gets their first conference victory of the season tonight.  They came back from 2 down at half time to win by 5...68-63 over Simpson. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on January 12, 2008, 10:59:30 PM
Loras and BV, both picking up wins today, both remain unbeaten in IIAC play. Sets up for a prime time IIAC showdown Wednesday night in Dubuque.

Loras and BV, at or near the top in many statistical categories so far this season. The numbers prove it and so do the records. It's still early in the year, but is there really anybody else out there that can give either of these two teams a run for it?

Coe fell again today, Wartburg has suffered key injuries leading them to three losses already, and Central and Simpson are in the IIAC basement! Is this seriously a two horse race the rest of the way? There's 75% of the conference season left.

Everyone's thoughts are encouraged...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 14, 2008, 01:30:54 PM
Warburg's transfer Christmas gift from last year- Franzen has left Ia. Wesleyan and has enrolled @ UNI and is not planning to play there So that makes 4 schools in little over a year.

Last year's Mr. Basketball -Vette was seen @ Wart- Coe game Saturday. To paraphrase Cub fans "maybe next year???"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on January 14, 2008, 06:48:04 PM
Cant wait for the Loras - BV showdown......should be a great one but I dont think the Beavers have a chance in the new gym.....Loras will be lights out!!!! 

Have fun stopping Kolze as he is the real difference maker this year...........You have 4 absolute studs who can all dominate a game in Centella, Kolze, White, and Slater.....not to mention a powerful Jake Oeth who is as solid as they come......BV better bring their game and not lose it on the 4 hr ride trip.............DuHawks in a 10pt or greater win.

Just to mention as a side note.....Slater had his best game of the year against Cornell and is really getting things rolling................LOOK OUT IAAC.....these are the only 2 teams worth watching this year! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on January 14, 2008, 10:32:06 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on January 14, 2008, 06:48:04 PM
Cant wait for the Loras - BV showdown......should be a great one but I dont think the Beavers have a chance in the new gym.....Loras will be lights out!!!! 

Have fun stopping Kolze as he is the real difference maker this year...........You have 4 absolute studs who can all dominate a game in Centella, Kolze, White, and Slater.....not to mention a powerful Jake Oeth who is as solid as they come......BV better bring their game and not lose it on the 4 hr ride trip.............DuHawks in a 10pt or greater win.

Just to mention as a side note.....Slater had his best game of the year against Cornell and is really getting things rolling................LOOK OUT IAAC.....these are the only 2 teams worth watching this year! ;)

Fear the DuHawks.  Lets hope they bite as loud as they bark. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 14, 2008, 10:44:10 PM
Fogleman could eat those guys for breakfast...literally... :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on January 15, 2008, 11:46:12 AM
Looking forward to the Loras vs BV game on Wednesday.  While playing better lately Loras still has terrible defensive lapses where rotation and 'help defense' is non-existent.Cornell had several 4 and 6 points runs keeping them within striking distance the whole game.  For such an experienced team, Loras has not displayed the 'go for the throat' character that is necessary to win championships.  This game will be won on two factors...second chance points and perimeter defense.  I predict a Duhawk victory in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 16, 2008, 02:06:20 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on January 12, 2008, 10:59:30 PM
Loras and BV, at or near the top in many statistical categories so far this season. The numbers prove it and so do the records. It's still early in the year, but is there really anybody else out there that can give either of these two teams a run for it?

Central has not been as competitive as I had hoped they would be in the conference games thus far, but they did at least play with BV on BV's court this year.  That is better than they have done in recent years there and in recent years we have won in Pella.  It may not be a run for the conference, but it tells me that I would put Loras ahead of BV at this point.  I guess we will find out which team is better real soon.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 16, 2008, 11:36:46 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on November 15, 2007, 11:02:11 AM
The real question is, can BV, Coe, or Wartburg give the Duhawks a legitimate run this year, or will Loras match their 15-1 IIAC mark, or dare I say it...run the table?

Well, that question's been taken care of...

Fogleman and Wagner came to play.  BV even played without one of their starting guards (Stribe).

Kolze with 5 points???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 17, 2008, 09:26:49 AM
Congratulations to Keith Pedersen on another fantastic night of shooting and to Central on a great win over Coe.  Pedersen started with a dunk and the Dutch never looked back as Coe was never in this one.  I'm sure Coe is better than they showed last night, all the same it was a fun game to watch for the Dutch fans who had such high hopes for the year.  Still hoping Central can move back up to the thick of things.  Also hoping that De Hoogh is okay.  He went down with an ankle injury in the second half. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on January 17, 2008, 11:48:19 AM
I think Show summed it up exactly when he said Kolze with 5, that might be the most of the story.  Two evenly matched teams and I sill believe that Loras' starting five is better than BV's.  The problem is that Loras doesn't have the depth to spell some guys without a significant dropoff.  The result was a tired Loras team near the end and a slightly less tired BV squad that still had the legs to make a clutch last minute shot. I don't think that's the season by any means as I still think Loras could upend BV at their place, but it was a huge win for BV.

It would have been nice to have played this game during the spring semester as the J-term crowd wasn't up to giving Loras much a home court advantage.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 17, 2008, 01:28:13 PM
Dubuque wins their second straight conference game.  At Luther 54-47.  Last year the Spartans lost at Luther 62-58...so we are seeing a bit of improvement!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 17, 2008, 08:24:12 PM
4-1 for Cornell...whod've thunk it?  Even gave Loras a good game.

Go Rams.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on January 17, 2008, 08:53:41 PM
Nice analysis duhawk.  I might agree with some it.  I do not know if you will get BV at their place during the spring semester, but you know it will be a good game.  I love how your other friends like rock chaulk duhawk have not chimed in.  must be hiding. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 18, 2008, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: Purple Heys on January 17, 2008, 08:24:12 PM
4-1 for Cornell...whod've thunk it?  Even gave Loras a good game.

Go Rams.

4-12 last year and now 4-1 this season...I would call that a remarkable turn around!!!

Your son is tall...if Cornell offered him some finantial aid to play on the hardwood would he do it???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on January 18, 2008, 10:01:23 AM
Congrats to the Beavers......great win for them....this just will make for a more interesting season....making Loras go to BV and having to Win in the upcoming weeks.

Too bad for Loras that Kolze was shut down to 5 points.....I know he was coming off an ankle injury that was pretty bad so maybe next time he will be in prime shape.  The bottom line is they couldnt stop Wagner.......they needed a counter for him and they didnt really have one......with the addition of TO's it was going to be hard for Loras to win this one. 

Who is the next best teams after Loras and BV???? Central, Wartburg, Cornell or even UD?  What is going on here?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 18, 2008, 10:43:50 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on January 18, 2008, 10:01:23 AM
Congrats to the Beavers......great win for them....this just will make for a more interesting season....making Loras go to BV and having to Win in the upcoming weeks.

Too bad for Loras that Kolze was shut down to 5 points.....I know he was coming off an ankle injury that was pretty bad so maybe next time he will be in prime shape.  The bottom line is they couldnt stop Wagner.......they needed a counter for him and they didnt really have one......with the addition of TO's it was going to be hard for Loras to win this one. 

Who is the next best teams after Loras and BV???? Central, Wartburg, Cornell or even UD?  What is going on here?

I think you will see BV and Loras at the top followed by Cornell a notch below them and then 4th through 9th might all end up within a game or two of each other.  A lot of parity in the league this year.  It doesn't seem like most teams are very deep.  They have some talent but not a lot on the bench.  But then again I'm not really following it all that closely like I did when I was a young man!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 18, 2008, 01:04:02 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 18, 2008, 09:57:56 AM
Quote from: Purple Heys on January 17, 2008, 08:24:12 PM
4-1 for Cornell...whod've thunk it?  Even gave Loras a good game.

Go Rams.

4-12 last year and now 4-1 this season...I would call that a remarkable turn around!!!

Your son is tall...if Cornell offered him some finantial aid to play on the hardwood would he do it???

If they gave him more money I would MAKE him play!   :D

He played youth basketball up until High School then didn't play again until his senior year.

He was a late bloomer and didn't really grow until he was a Junior in HS.  He was an unbelievable rebounder until he stopped playing.  He was never much of a shooter and laying off for 3 years didn't help.

He'd need some intense training to catch up.  The funny thing is, that he was a helluva a baseball player, sweet left-handed swing with some power; rangy outfielder...but when he grew, his strike zone changed and he had trouble adjusting...I tried to talk him into playing at Cornell but he wants to focus on football
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on January 18, 2008, 05:51:44 PM
I don't know how you can think that Cornell is the third best team in the conference.  They have played one team in the conference that has been consistend over the past two years which is Loras.  There is no way that Cornell will be able to finish in the top 3. 

By the way, this is not a remarkable turnaround for the Rams.  Haven't they been starting their 3-4 best players for 3 years?  And they have amassed what?  A total of 10 confernce wins during that span.  I wouldn't be praising them too much as of now.

Still look for BV and Loras to go 1 and 2, but the third spot is wide open, and Cornell is not going to be filling that void.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 18, 2008, 05:57:27 PM
Cornell might not finish in third but I WOULD say going 4-12 one year and then starting 4-1 the next is a remarkable turnaround.  If they've had 10 wins over 3 years like you say and then come out this year and win 4 out of 5 I would say that is pretty good.  But maybe that's just me. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on January 18, 2008, 06:54:26 PM
Quote from: Full Court Sorcerer on January 18, 2008, 05:51:44 PM
I don't know how you can think that Cornell is the third best team in the conference.  They have played one team in the conference that has been consistend over the past two years which is Loras.  There is no way that Cornell will be able to finish in the top 3. 

By the way, this is not a remarkable turnaround for the Rams.  Haven't they been starting their 3-4 best players for 3 years?  And they have amassed what?  A total of 10 confernce wins during that span.  I wouldn't be praising them too much as of now.

Still look for BV and Loras to go 1 and 2, but the third spot is wide open, and Cornell is not going to be filling that void.

God forbid a team play together for 3 years and amass nothing and then come out as seniors and play some decent ball.  I agree I do not think you will see Cornell finish in the top 3 of the conference, but didnt people say that about UD regarding football two years ago?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on January 19, 2008, 09:29:31 PM
HO HUM, B.V beats Cornell and Simpson upsets Loras. Good job Storm!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 19, 2008, 10:00:14 PM
Wow, didn't see that one coming.  Looks like White forgot to get the rest of his team to join him over in Indianola this afternoon.  This should make sure that BV doesn't look past them when they head there mid week.

The Beavers continue to get the job done.  Their coaches have them prepared for each game.  Keep up the good work fellas!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on January 20, 2008, 04:40:01 AM
Congratulations to all the IIAC winner this weekend.  Special congrats to the Beavs on another conference win. 

Looks like the wheels are falling off the bus on the Loras campus. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 20, 2008, 09:40:22 AM
Three Conference wins in a row for the Spartans!  When was the last time that happened?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 20, 2008, 10:51:55 AM
2 in a row was the best the Spartans did last season. 

Count down begins for posters chiming in with "big deal...who did Dubuque actually beat that was any good"  ;D

Hooray for the Spartans, it's been awhile since they have had much success.  Hope the wins continue for them. 

We are planning on going to the Dubuque game at Wartburg in February.  We are curious to see just how nice their new place is. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 20, 2008, 05:53:57 PM
Wow, congrats to the Storm on the upset over Loras. Might give them a nudge of confidence to finish a little higher this season. Loras came out fighting back hard in the 2nd half and I thought for sure they were going to take it, but Simpson held on to the lead the entire game and finished strong. Simpson is a very young team, they just need some more consistency and confidence. Great game by Brennen Tubaugh.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 21, 2008, 12:32:33 PM
Its a stretch ... but there could be four teams tied for second place with 4-3 IIAC records after tonight's games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 21, 2008, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 21, 2008, 12:32:33 PM
Its a stretch ... but there could be four teams tied for second place with 4-3 IIAC records after tonight's games.

Have you been listening to any of the games over the internet???  I listened to most of the football games this last year but haven't done so for a basketball game yet.  It's a nice way to get back into following the old school.  We hadn't been back there for quite a few years but after listening to some games recently we are talking about getting back over to Dubuque again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 21, 2008, 03:32:03 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 21, 2008, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 21, 2008, 12:32:33 PM
Its a stretch ... but there could be four teams tied for second place with 4-3 IIAC records after tonight's games.

Have you been listening to any of the games over the internet???  I listened to most of the football games this last year but haven't done so for a basketball game yet.  It's a nice way to get back into following the old school.  We hadn't been back there for quite a few years but after listening to some games recently we are talking about getting back over to Dubuque again. 

I haven't listend to any b-ball yet ... but I did listen to most of the football games last Fall.  It is nice to have that contact.  I haven't been on campus since '05 ... but I hope to get back this Fall for the dedication of the new facilities.  Joe Chaplaty was a year or two behind me at UD, but we knew each other as I was sports editor for the campus newspaper and we broadcast some football and basketball over the campus radio station in those days.  Whenever that "dedication game" is, maybe we'll have a chance to meet along with any other UD fans who chat on here.

Let's beat Cornell tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 22, 2008, 09:03:40 AM
UD 92
Cornell 90 (at home) in overtime. 

Must have been a heck of game from what I've read so far.  Having watched Spartan bball lose so many close ones over the years, this was nice for a change.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 22, 2008, 03:43:38 PM
4 in a row?? nice, nice
Now if we can beat Loras, I'll be happy!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Golden Norver on January 22, 2008, 04:22:45 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 20, 2008, 09:40:22 AM
Three Conference wins in a row for the Spartans!  When was the last time that happened?

Dubuque last won four conference games in a row in February 2006.  incidentally, the fourth win in that streak was in overtime vs. Cornell

http://www.iowaconference.com/BBCONF/05-06MB/HTML/DBQ.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 23, 2008, 09:55:48 AM
Quote from: Golden Norver on January 22, 2008, 04:22:45 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 20, 2008, 09:40:22 AM
Three Conference wins in a row for the Spartans!  When was the last time that happened?

Dubuque last won four conference games in a row in February 2006.  incidentally, the fourth win in that streak was in overtime vs. Cornell

http://www.iowaconference.com/BBCONF/05-06MB/HTML/DBQ.HTM

I appreciated the info.  I'm glad someone keeps up with that stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 23, 2008, 09:52:50 PM
Dubuque at home is leading Wartburg at the half 29-27

Wartburg took an early 11-5 lead...then I went to put our kids to bed and when I got back here it was already half time. 

Simpson is leading BV 43-37 at the half

Coe leading Cornell 34-26 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 23, 2008, 10:44:15 PM
BV wins 76-70.

I'm not saying I could do a better job on the webcast, but for the 20 or so minutes that I listened to it, I think they announced the score twice... :-\  So I switched over to the Big Ten Network and am now watching the Hawks take a beating :(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 23, 2008, 10:53:34 PM
Dubuque beats Wartburg 65-48

Dubuque at 5-3 in conference
Wartburg at 3-5 in conference
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 24, 2008, 08:40:07 AM
I have a feeling Dubuque's little run will come to an end this weekend, but for now, they find themselves sitting alone in the #3 spot in the conference!  Congrats!

Is anyone from Loras injured?  I see they squeaked by Luther by 2.  Their posters seem to be M.I.A. as well...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on January 24, 2008, 09:00:12 AM
Quote from: The Show on January 23, 2008, 10:44:15 PM
BV wins 76-70.

I'm not saying I could do a better job on the webcast, but for the 20 or so minutes that I listened to it, I think they announced the score twice...

This could be topic by itself....I follow Coe ball and their student announcers have to be the worst in the conference. I understand that there students so its hard to critic them too much but I went to the Cornell web site to listen. They were much better.

Is it too much to ask to actually do some play by play? As a listenener we would like...er need to know who is getting the ball, who shoots the ball, who fouls, are the fould shots made, the score ( each time a point is added is a must) the time, who comes into and out of the game etc... you know , the basics!!!

Stories, personal stories etc need to be kept at a minimum.... you ares supposed to tell the strory of the game to each fan can get close their eyes and see the game played out based on what the broadcasters see.

Its very frustrating when none of these things happen... rant rant rant.

I can understand the hometown bias in the words spoken but for gods sake, give us some play by play.

So with this in mind, which schools do the best live broadcast and who needs some work?

I thought Loras was good ( a little too much homer) but decent play by play and they pronounced all the visiting players names correctly. Wartburg was ok too.

Sorry Coe guys, but a lot of work needs to be done - please stick to the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on January 24, 2008, 10:01:01 AM
Dr. Phil,

You are correct with the commentary on the Coe Basketball games.  Both of the kids are great guys, but they do use it as their own personal soap box and get off topic very easily.  Their more of a late night talk show team rather than sports play by play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on January 24, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: The Show on January 24, 2008, 08:40:07 AM
I have a feeling Dubuque's little run will come to an end this weekend, but for now, they find themselves sitting alone in the #3 spot in the conference!  Congrats!

Is anyone from Loras injured?  I see they squeaked by Luther by 2.  Their posters seem to be M.I.A. as well...

Rock Chaulk DuHawk wanted to run his mouth early in the season.  There were some more that I will not call out.  Funny how the tides turn and people leave for their hiding spots. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 24, 2008, 12:10:05 PM
RE: The Show's comments on the upcoming BV - UD game.  Most would say the Spartans don't have a chance ... some would say the best they can hope for is to stay close to the Beavers ... and a few wild-eyed, die-hard, long-suffering fans would say an upset is in the offing.

Whatever ... these past 5 games have been good for my soul.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 24, 2008, 12:24:17 PM
I tried to listen to the Coe announcers last year when Dubuque was playing and couldn't do it.  They were pretty bad but I chalked it up to them being students.  Now if it is the same two kids this year I would hope there is some improvement being shown. 

I have also noticed the Loras gang has grown quiet...maybe they are too busy with their studies???  Could be.  The Duhawks are still a good team and I suspect we will hear more from that team...and then maybe their fans will start posting again.  We know over on the football board they stay away when not winning. 

Dubuque has been on a nice run.  Things likely won't go their way against BV...but I will still be hoping for a win from my Spartans...and hope that it is at least a well played game by both teams.  5 wins in a row is impressive considering they went 5-11 last year. 

Hope all is well with everyone on this board and nobody is too cold.  -18 outside this morning and my office isn't much warmer >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on January 24, 2008, 04:49:19 PM
Quote from: The Show on January 24, 2008, 08:40:07 AM
I have a feeling Dubuque's little run will come to an end this weekend, but for now, they find themselves sitting alone in the #3 spot in the conference!  Congrats!

Is anyone from Loras injured?  I see they squeaked by Luther by 2.  Their posters seem to be M.I.A. as well...

Everyone, except for Rex Parker (ACL), seems to be at or near 100% for Loras right now. Ricky Kolze is still trying to get his legs back, should take a little time. Not being able to run or anything with his high ankle sprain for a couple weeks hurt a little. Other than that, the Norse gave the Duhawks one helluva game. Both teams had high energy for 40 minutes. There were times when it looked like the Duhawks would pull away and then Waddle or Bildstein would nail a triple to keep em in it. Both teams are at the top of the IIAC in Points allowed and it was an expected low scoring affair. Duhawks did a nice job of drawing fouls and getting to the line which may have proved to be the diff in the game. Luther shot nearly 50% from the outside and they always protect their home floor well.

Luther has a lot of young talent on their squad and should show some promise for the next few years.

Too bad Simpson couldn't knock off BV last night, should be a great rematch between them and the Duhawks on Saturday. The loss is still fresh in their minds as they met just last Saturday in Indianola.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 24, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
Good to hear from you, birds of prey.  BV's Kyle Stribe also has a high ankle sprain and he's missed the past 3 games I believe.  Nice to see that the Beavers have enough depth to utilize the "next man in" theory and not miss a beat.

I want to clarify that the Simpson announcers, whom I'm sure are students, did a pretty good job as far as play-by-play goes and relaying the action with players' names, etc.  I just got frustrated a little when I couldn't tell who was in the lead or what the score was.  I think they only pronounced Bissen's name correctly once, but I've heard far worse, especially when Randy was playing. However, the name Bissen isn't as scary for anouncers as Joekel was a year ago for BV.

Hopefully BV is able to put away UD early on Sat.  If you let them hang around long enough, bad things can happen...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on January 24, 2008, 08:42:53 PM
Wow, what a squeaker in Indianola last night. It was a hard fought battle between SC and BV and could have gone either way. For as long as I have watched SC basketball- regardless of the type of season they are having, they are always able to hang with the big dogs (conference leaders) and I have seen them win those big games many times. The final score was 76-70 but that was with Simpson doing some desparate last minutes fouls. Too bad- would have been a nice win.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 24, 2008, 10:37:58 PM
Quote from: The Show on January 24, 2008, 06:00:08 PM
However, the name Bissen isn't as scary for anouncers as Joekel was a year ago for BV.

Its not that scary as long as you're willing to ask the coaches or an SID before the games.

I think it is always interesting to hear what people think of basketball and baseball play-by-play in the IIAC (especially coming from my background).  Most schools bring in a professional to do their football broadcasts, but basketball and other sports are completely different animals.

I graduated from Wartburg in '06, and when I was in school it broke down like this...
Professional basketball announcers - Loras (their former SID, who is now doing minor league baseball), BV (sports guy from the local station), Dubuque (even though they didn't do every game), Central (sports guy from the local station)
Student announcers - Wartburg, Luther
Nothing that I noticed - Coe, Cornell, Simpson

Luther has since started having the sports guy from one of the Decorah stations do their basketball (same guy that does their football in the fall).

BV has students call the games when they do a webcast.  They are usually a step below brutal.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 25, 2008, 08:55:52 AM
I'm pretty sure the sports guy from the local radio station still does the BV basketball games.  And in my opinion is one of the best around.  When they try doing the video streaming, they usually try the student announcers and sportsknight's accessment on those games is right on.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballjunkie5 on January 26, 2008, 09:20:37 PM
Brand new to the board, hoping to get more info on each conference game than just a boxscore. Looks like things went as predicted so far today (although a little surprised as to the margin of victory for BV/Loras). Still have one game in progress; I'd guess Coe will take this one although Luther always plays well at home. Anyone who went to or listened to the other three games - commentary would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 26, 2008, 11:03:13 PM
Quote from: bballjunkie5 on January 26, 2008, 09:20:37 PM
Brand new to the board, hoping to get more info on each conference game than just a boxscore. Looks like things went as predicted so far today (although a little surprised as to the margin of victory for BV/Loras). Still have one game in progress; I'd guess Coe will take this one although Luther always plays well at home. Anyone who went to or listened to the other three games - commentary would be greatly appreciated!

Welcome to the board.  Always love to add new posters to our group.  I wasn't able to listen to any games tonight because we were out of town at my brother-in-laws sons birthday party.  I would have been listening to the Dubuque game and the fact it was so lopsided meant my wife probably would have put a stop to me listening to it so I wouldn't have been able to tell you much about it anyway!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 27, 2008, 09:23:10 AM
Maybe the Spartans can put together another 5 game (or longer) winning streak.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 27, 2008, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 27, 2008, 09:23:10 AM
Maybe the Spartans can put together another 5 game (or longer) winning streak.

In the Spartans opening 3 losses they lost big to BV and Loras but lost in OT at Coe...so maybe they can beat Coe this time around at home, and you never know in the rivalry game with Loras what might happen.  Loras is the more talented team but maybe the Spartans can surprise them. 

Hope you aren't too buried in snow over in Michigan DBQ1965!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on January 27, 2008, 12:49:41 PM
I finally made it back to Dubuque this weekend to take in the Loras/Simpson game on Saturday. Coming into the rematch with the Storm I was a little worried, but I came out feeling mildly impressed.  The Duhawks jumped out to an early 21-7 lead but proceeded to let it slip away just as quickly.  During Simpson's 23-7 run late in the first half Loras struggled to grab a rebound and turned the ball over on numerous occasions. 
Loras came out fast after the half and never looked back.  In the second frame, the Duhawks out rebounded their opponent 27-13 and the starters had just two turnovers.  This, added to Simpson's struggling offense, essentially led to a much needed big win.
Loras went to their bench early and often in this one, something somewhat new for a team that has relied too so heavily on their starting five.  Greg Gorton must be trying to see what options he has to get the team back to form. 
Although they looked iffy at times, Loras should be happy with their performance as they head into a big matchup with UD.  A reinvigorated Spartan team that always plays well in the cross-town rivalry is nothing to take lightly.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 27, 2008, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 27, 2008, 09:31:17 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 27, 2008, 09:23:10 AM

Hope you aren't too buried in snow over in Michigan DBQ1965!!!

We've had our share of snow ... especially "lake effect" ... but warmer temps and rain are predicted for the next two days so we'll get rid of some before the next snowfall on Tuesday night.

However ... my wife and I head out tomorrow for Puerto Escondido, Mexico and two weeks of sun, surf, fresh seafood and even fresher margaritas.  PE is a place we've been visiting for 10 years now ... it is not a tourist destination ... has a nice, small town flavor ... and is a nice escape in the middle of winter.  Retirement does have its rewards.

Hasta luego!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 28, 2008, 08:38:29 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on January 24, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: The Show on January 24, 2008, 08:40:07 AM
I have a feeling Dubuque's little run will come to an end this weekend, but for now, they find themselves sitting alone in the #3 spot in the conference!  Congrats!

Is anyone from Loras injured?  I see they squeaked by Luther by 2.  Their posters seem to be M.I.A. as well...

Rock Chaulk DuHawk wanted to run his mouth early in the season.  There were some more that I will not call out.  Funny how the tides turn and people leave for their hiding spots. 

When you back Cornell, you learn to roll with the good times and bad...

Just been busy at work lately.

I for one am still pleasantly surprised with our early league showing.  The DBQ game could have gone either way.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on January 29, 2008, 08:17:40 AM
Quote from: Purple Heys on January 28, 2008, 08:38:29 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on January 24, 2008, 12:07:36 PM
Quote from: The Show on January 24, 2008, 08:40:07 AM
I have a feeling Dubuque's little run will come to an end this weekend, but for now, they find themselves sitting alone in the #3 spot in the conference!  Congrats!

Is anyone from Loras injured?  I see they squeaked by Luther by 2.  Their posters seem to be M.I.A. as well...

Rock Chaulk DuHawk wanted to run his mouth early in the season.  There were some more that I will not call out.  Funny how the tides turn and people leave for their hiding spots. 

When you back Cornell, you learn to roll with the good times and bad...

Just been busy at work lately.

I for one am still pleasantly surprised with our early league showing.  The DBQ game could have gone either way.

Heys I was not talking about you.  That was directed at the Loras faithful only.  They jumped all over me and were talking about huge beatdowns when BV played over there.  Sorry if anyone else thought that was directed conference wide.  BTW looks like Cornell is having a decent basketball season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on January 29, 2008, 11:07:59 AM
Yeah, us Duhawk fans were missing for a while there, but its hard to think of words to write after dropping two in a row (including one to Simpson).  Although Loras hasn't looked impressive since, they have found a way to win.  The second round with Simpson was a nice double-digit victory, but I think their rematch with UD could spell out how the rest of their season will look.  If they can get by the Spartans comfortably, I could see them giving BV a run for their money come late February.  If they falter on the home court with the students (finally) back, the Duhawks will have a lot of questions to answer if they hope to repeat as conference champs.

I still think they have some great talent, and the bench is showing signs of life with Brandt, Seaquist, Abbuhl, Rowe, and Parker. 

...and speaking of bench players, one that Loras was supposed to have this season, Taylor Blum, has really helped out over at UD lately.  I saw that he went down with a foot injury recently....is he good to go for Wednesday's match-up?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on January 29, 2008, 02:42:30 PM
Quote from: du-sz on January 29, 2008, 11:07:59 AM
I still think they have some great talent, and the bench is showing signs of life with Brandt, Seaquist, Abbuhl, Rowe, and Parker. 

du-sz, I think you meant Conrad, not Parker, who is hurt. I agree with your last post though. Brandt Seaquist, Abbuhl, Rowe, and Conrad have done a great job off the bench as of late. UD will be a tough test, the Spartans have a little momentum from their little 5-game run before the BV game and they all seem to be gelling at the right time. It was a 23-point win for the Duhawks in early December. I wouldn't expect it to be that lobsided again. We'll see...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on January 29, 2008, 08:11:07 PM
Whoa, whoa.....lets just relax for a second here.  Sorry I have been traveling and cant keep up with the season as of right now.  I do know the duhawks struggled for a moment a few weeks ago but I am sure they are going to get things rolling again as they are pulling off close games.  That is a sign of a great team in the works. 

True test of their season will come tomorrow night and how the handle cross town rival UD.  That is always a great game and fun atmosphere. 

Dont worry I will support my Duhawks until they die.  I'm not going to close my mouth just yet......more to come for me this year and years to come.

UD get ready for your second whooping this year from the friendly duhawks down the block.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballjunkie5 on January 29, 2008, 09:21:12 PM
Getting closer and closer to the conference tournament - let's get the predictions rolling for tomorrow's set of games. I'll take:

BV over Luther - It might be closer than predicted for a while, but BV has it rolling, especially at home.

Loras over Dubuque - Should be a good crowd on hand, Dubuque has a chance only if they keep Loras off the free-throw line/boards and Daughtery plus someone else gets it going offensively.

Coe over Wartburg - Coe has been struggling a little of late, but they still have some firepower and with it being a home game with a big crowd, I give them the edge.

Central over Cornell - Central's three guards continue to roll and the Dutch get revenge over the Rams.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on January 30, 2008, 10:57:55 AM
Loras over UD
BV over Luther
Coe over Hurtburg
Cornell over Central
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 30, 2008, 01:14:35 PM
Here are my picks

Loras over UD
BV over Luther
Central over Cornell 
And in heart over head pick I'll take the Wartburg over Coe.

Wartburg will knock off someone ahead of them in the standings yet this year. And no truth to the rumor the Knights travel with an ambulance.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 30, 2008, 01:56:45 PM
Alright, I'll be the first to take UD in the upset...

BV over Luther - The Norse only score 20 a game, but also keep the opponent's score low.
Cornell over Central - They've done it once already...
Coe over Wartburg - Knights are beat up physically.
UD over Loras - Revenge...

Klop - Trying to keep you up with positive karma is almost turning into a full time job!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on January 30, 2008, 03:46:17 PM
I'm going way out on a limb:

Luther over BV on BV's home floor -- after what Luther did to Loras, look for the to surprise... if they can get past BV's pressure

Coe over the Burg - I never pick wartburg and Coe has some talent

Central over Cornell - Centrals guards will shoot Cornell out of the gym

Loras over rival UD -- in a very close game
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 30, 2008, 11:25:12 PM
BV stomps on Luther tonight, 74-53.
In other action:
Loras by 3.
Central by 5.
Coe by 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on January 30, 2008, 11:30:41 PM
And for what it's worth...BV clinches a spot in the IIAC Tourny with it's win tonight.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 31, 2008, 01:52:25 AM
Huge win for the Kohawks tonight!

The game was no where as close as the final score indicates.

Big game on Saturday for Coe.  Haven't won in Storm Lake in a looooong time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballjunkie5 on January 31, 2008, 08:49:24 AM
As most people predicted for last night, although scores might be a little surprising. UD had things go the way they wanted except the score (outrebounded Loras, Blum gets 20, lead into half) Question for those who were there or listened - did Porter get hurt?? Only 4 minutes that I saw.

Coe whooped on a hurt Wartburg team. The game sounded to be above 20 points all night until the Knights scored on the Coe reserves late. Coe's student announcers are not very good by the way.

BV continues to roll, 32 foul shots and outrebounded another opponent.

Any info on the Central/Cornell game? Cornell lead at half, what was the turning point?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 31, 2008, 11:35:16 AM
Quote from: bballjunkie5 on January 31, 2008, 08:49:24 AM
As most people predicted for last night, although scores might be a little surprising. UD had things go the way they wanted except the score (outrebounded Loras, Blum gets 20, lead into half) Question for those who were there or listened - did Porter get hurt?? Only 4 minutes that I saw.

Coe whooped on a hurt Wartburg team. The game sounded to be above 20 points all night until the Knights scored on the Coe reserves late. Coe's student announcers are not very good by the way.

BV continues to roll, 32 foul shots and outrebounded another opponent.

Any info on the Central/Cornell game? Cornell lead at half, what was the turning point?

Porter has been battling a hand injury and has been getting minimal minutes over the last maybe 3 or 4 games.  That says something about how Dubuque has been playing that Porter has been injured and they have still played well. 

Coe announcers were not very good last year...sounds by your description they aren't any better this year!!!

BV seems to be the class of the league at this point.

Haven't heard a thing about the Central/Cornell game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 31, 2008, 11:52:41 AM
Central had a really rough night shooting from beyond the arc, but managed to get the inside game going a bit in the second half to reverse the halftime deficit and come out on top.  Central was 0-9 from 3 point range the first half and Cornell was 50% from beyond the arc for the first half.  Cooper got in foul trouble early in the first half which hurt the height match up with Cornell in the first half.  Davidson had a great night off the bench.  Central built a nice second half lead, but credit the Rams for coming back and making it way too close at the end.  It was a good game to watch, with a few tempers flaring along the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on January 31, 2008, 06:02:34 PM

Quote from: bballjunkie5 on January 31, 2008, 08:49:24 AM
As most people predicted for last night, although scores might be a little surprising. UD had things go the way they wanted except the score (outrebounded Loras, Blum gets 20, lead into half) Question for those who were there or listened - did Porter get hurt?? Only 4 minutes that I saw.

Coe whooped on a hurt Wartburg team. The game sounded to be above 20 points all night until the Knights scored on the Coe reserves late. Coe's student announcers are not very good by the way.

BV continues to roll, 32 foul shots and outrebounded another opponent.

Any info on the Central/Cornell game? Cornell lead at half, what was the turning point?

By the way, Warburg was held to under 20 in the first half by Coe.  It's always great to see a kid, that just set the school career rebounding record (Kyle Kuenstling) that was held by an All-American (Ed McFalls) for 30+ years, still diving on the floor and sparking the teams energy.  I haven't seen Coe, or any team in the Iowa Conference, play that hard this year.  If Coe plays with this much intensity and lives up to it's talent they should be tough towards the end of the year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on January 31, 2008, 07:30:08 PM
I suffered once again thru the poor play by play announcing for Coe - I think they set an all time NCAA record for yawning on the air as a broadcast team in a single game...... not sure but may have to look that up!!

If any of the Wartburg faithful listened to the game, I have to feel sorry for you... that was just plain terrible and sorry thats was the only way for you to get to hear the game.

Not sure why each team doesnt bring their own personel to do the games... is it that tough to do?

The officiating seemed to be poor in the game as well - seems like they called over 40 total fouls in the game.  Dont these guys adjust at half and talk it over.... say like..."Hey we called 25 fouls in the first half, so if its a runaway game the 2nd half, lets let them play it out, within reason of course and get the kids home"

This seems logical to me.... if its a blowout, get the game over - no one wants to shoot foul shots all night and no one wants to watch that either!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on January 31, 2008, 08:42:46 PM
Now that UD v Loras game was a good one!  The Spartans controlled the game for about 35 minutes, but they just couldn't hold of Loras in the end.  Daugherty and Blum where consistently knocking down threes from about half court in the second, but the Duhawks were just too hot from the line and three when they needed to be.

The game got pretty intense down the stretch; it was good to see a lively crowd in the AWC for first time in a while.  Great rivalry game on both sides!

....btw who writes the web releases for the UD athletics website?? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 31, 2008, 09:21:26 PM
Quote from: du-sz on January 31, 2008, 08:42:46 PM
Now that UD v Loras game was a good one!  The Spartans controlled the game for about 35 minutes, but they just couldn't hold of Loras in the end.  Daugherty and Blum where consistently knocking down threes from about half court in the second, but the Duhawks were just too hot from the line and three when they needed to be.

The game got pretty intense down the stretch; it was good to see a lively crowd in the AWC for first time in a while.  Great rivalry game on both sides!

....btw who writes the web releases for the UD athletics website?? 

I was able to listen to the last 15 minutes of the 2nd half.  Sounded like a good game.  I was curious if the Loras AWC could keep some of the atmosphere that the old fieldhouse had.  Sometimes when a school builds a new place that is really nice it doesn't retain the rowdy atmosphere the old barn had. 

And I noticed the UD website did a pretty poor write-up on the game.  And that's the first time I have noticed that.  I wonder if the SID didn't have time and had a student intern do for him after last nights game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver Nation on February 01, 2008, 09:07:40 PM
Saturday, Feb. 2

Coe @ Buena Vista   
Dubuque @ Simpson   
Loras @ Central   
Luther @ Cornell

What's everyone predictions? It appears as the Beavers will be the team once again to beat. Tough road games this week for Dubuque and Loras. Sounds like a thriller between those two squads on Wednesday. What's the Loras new facility like? Hard to beat the dark, loud, old barn for basketball.

By the way is there a new rule for the bench players? I have watched the men in stripes tell the players to sit down... where's the fun and emotions of college athletics?!!!

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 01, 2008, 09:51:04 PM
I like Cornell, Central, Dubuque and the Kohawks tomorrow.  Coe hasn't won in Storm Lake since 1999, that's 12 straight losses....time for someone to bring the Beavers down this year...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballjunkie5 on February 02, 2008, 03:27:00 AM
This weekend's games are tough to pick as I could see each game going either way. I'll take:

Simpson over Dubuque: Simpson at home = much tougher than Simpson on the road. I think Dubuque might have a little carryover from that heartbreaking loss to Loras - it will be close, but I like Simpson in the end.

Cornell over Luther: Another game that could go either way - I will pick Cornell because it is at their place.

Loras over Central: Loras hasn't been flashy, but have been finding ways to win lately. Central is a scrappy team with talented guards, but they won't be able to handle the rebounding and strength of the Duhawks.

And finally....Coe over Buena Vista: I know this might not be realistic, but after a 10-0 start it's time for BV to drop at least one conference game. Would like to make that last game against Loras a matchup for the number one seed in the tournament. Coe will have to contain Wagner - starting with the outlet pass runouts he does so well and also be able to keep Kuenstling from picking up too many fouls too early.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on February 02, 2008, 05:58:10 PM
Coe leading BV at the half  48-38
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on February 02, 2008, 07:16:13 PM
Nice to see the Kohawks win in Storm Lake!  Hopefully, they are getting ready for the conference tournament.  Congratulations!  Let's finish the IIAC on a roll!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballjunkie5 on February 02, 2008, 09:02:07 PM
Congratulations to all of today's winners, especially Coe going into Storm Lake - not an easy thing to do. Again, any feedback from any of the four games is much appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 02, 2008, 10:25:17 PM
Surprised to see BV fall while only committing 10 turnovers, but then I looked at shooting percentages and the reason was pretty obvious.  When you only shoot 30% from the FT line and your oppenent hits nearly 60% of their 3's...you're in trouble.

Good to see Stribe is back.  Should mean that the Beavers will be at full strength come tourny time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 03, 2008, 11:49:02 AM
Quote from: Beaver Nation on February 01, 2008, 09:07:40 PM
Saturday, Feb. 2

Tough road games this week for Dubuque and Loras. Sounds like a thriller between those two squads on Wednesday. What's the Loras new facility like? Hard to beat the dark, loud, old barn for basketball.



The new Loras facility is a pretty nice one.  Its a lot more open and bright, but as you might think, it can feel a little too big and cold at times.  The setup is probably more convienent for fans and players (sort of a mini-McLeod Center, if you've been to a UNI game lately), but sometimes its hard not to miss the ole Fieldhouse.

In other news...Loras looked really good down in Pella yesterday afternoon.  The Loras guards completely shut down Ley, Clark, and Dehoogh from the outside, while White and Slater dominated underneath for the Duhawks.  Pederson and Robinson did well down low on offense, but Central couldn't make up for their struggles on the perimeter.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 03, 2008, 11:49:46 PM
With BV losing and Loras winning this could make for a very interesting end to the regular season.  If Loras wins at BV and everyone else wins out?  Who wins the league?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballjunkie5 on February 04, 2008, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 03, 2008, 11:49:46 PM
With BV losing and Loras winning this could make for a very interesting end to the regular season.  If Loras wins at BV and everyone else wins out?  Who wins the league?


I'm not sure if it still works like this, but in years past the tiebreaker has been record versus each team in the order of final regular season standings. For example, if Loras and BV both tie at the top, they would turn to how each team did against the 3rd place team. If that would be Coe, then Loras would take the #1 seed based on the fact that they would have a 2-0 record vs. a 1-1 record for BV against the Kohawks (that's assuming Loras beats Coe Wednesday night). If they would both have a 1-1 record, it would continue on down to #4 seed, #5 seed, etc. until one team had a better record against an opponent.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 04, 2008, 02:19:28 AM
Quote from: bballjunkie5 on February 04, 2008, 12:09:28 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 03, 2008, 11:49:46 PM
With BV losing and Loras winning this could make for a very interesting end to the regular season.  If Loras wins at BV and everyone else wins out?  Who wins the league?


I'm not sure if it still works like this, but in years past the tiebreaker has been record versus each team in the order of final regular season standings. For example, if Loras and BV both tie at the top, they would turn to how each team did against the 3rd place team. If that would be Coe, then Loras would take the #1 seed based on the fact that they would have a 2-0 record vs. a 1-1 record for BV against the Kohawks (that's assuming Loras beats Coe Wednesday night). If they would both have a 1-1 record, it would continue on down to #4 seed, #5 seed, etc. until one team had a better record against an opponent.

Couple of things...

1. I think Coe beats Loras on Wednesday night.  The game in Dubuque was really close with Coe leading the first 37 minutes if I remember right, so don't count the Kohawks out.

2. Your tiebreaker procedure is correct as of last years tiebreakers.  To add to that, if the two teams that are tied have the same record against all the other teams, they flip a coin for the higher seed.  Both Coe and BV tied for second last year, but had the same records against everyone else, so a coin flip was done to determine the 2/3 seeds.  Pretty big coin flip when your talkin about a first round bye and a home game, compared to a game on tuesday night and travel on a Thursday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 04, 2008, 12:40:35 PM
You have to get the feeling that BV is pulling for Coe to get the three seed.  Coe plays BV tougher than any team in the conference and I am sure that the Beavers would rather wait to see the Kohawks in the finals of the conference tourney (if both teams make it that far).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballjunkie5 on February 05, 2008, 10:55:14 AM
Predictions for Wednesday's games:

BV over Wartburg: BV bounces back to take care of business, I think the Knights might do OK early, but they lack a consistent scorer if BV takes Mason away. The Beavers are still the best team in the conference and win by double digits.

Central over Simpson: It is about time for Ley, Dehoegh, and Clark to score big numbers again, I think they do it on the Storm.

Dubuque over Cornell: I'll take Dubuque in a close one because it is a home game. Dubuque has just been playing better team basketball this year, I think they get just enough scoring out of the role players to win.

Coe over Loras: This is a game that could go either way, but I'm predicting the upset because it's at Coe and they seem to have it going a bit right now (although so does Loras) I'm hoping this is a close, exciting game that goes down to the last possession...I'll say Coe by 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 05, 2008, 11:05:46 AM
I dont think BV is afraid to play anybody in the conference.  Coe has played them tough but BV is a very good team and will bounce back from a tough loss to a team that shot absolutely lights out from 3 point land.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 05, 2008, 11:22:09 AM
I never said that BV was afraid of Coe.  Just that I am sure they would rather wait and see them till the tourney finals if it came to that.  Coe matches up with BV better than most teams, and traditionally have played them extremely tough.  I don't think that BV is afraid of anyone, but they are smart and they know the tougher match-ups.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 05, 2008, 12:04:39 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 05, 2008, 11:05:46 AM
I dont think BV is afraid to play anybody in the conference.  Coe has played them tough but BV is a very good team and will bounce back from a tough loss to a team that shot absolutely lights out from 3 point land.

Both teams hit 14 3-point attempts in the game.  It was Coe's excellent free throw shooting down the stretch and BV's lack of free throw shooting that cost them the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 05, 2008, 12:13:25 PM
Especially when a guy like Hanna goes 5-7 with some clutch makes.  He is now up to 52.8% from the foul line in conference play.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on February 05, 2008, 06:09:18 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 05, 2008, 11:05:46 AM
I dont think BV is afraid to play anybody in the conference.  Coe has played them tough but BV is a very good team and will bounce back from a tough loss to a team that shot absolutely lights out from 3 point land.

Well that wasnt the case during the first game - thats another one that Coe simply let get away.  BV hasnt shown this year, other than that skimpy 1 point win at Coe, that they can handle this team.

The last team they want to face in the conference tourney is COE - they understand it will take an enormous game to beat them twice.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 05, 2008, 07:05:19 PM
I should have said first half 3 point shooting.  #5 shoot absolutely lights out in the first half with i believe 6 3's.  Free Throw shooting was ultimately the deciding factor.  BV 4-13 Coe 17-23.  BV didnt take advantage of their chances at the line and Coe did a great job from the line.  BTW that over half court shot at the end of half was amazing.  BV had a guy in his face he launches it on a line drive and it goes in.  I didnt think it stood a chance.  Got to give credit to Coe on a great win.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 05, 2008, 09:12:16 PM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on February 05, 2008, 06:09:18 PM
Well that wasnt the case during the first game - thats another one that Coe simply let get away.  BV hasnt shown this year, other than that skimpy 1 point win at Coe, that they can handle this team.

The last team they want to face in the conference tourney is COE - they understand it will take an enormous game to beat them twice.

Although I might be a bit biased...I still think the last team BV wants to deal with is Loras.  I know Coe got the win the other nite, but can they do it consistently? 

The Beavs had to drop in a late jumper to beat Loras earlier in the season, and the Duhawks beat up on them three times last season.  I know its cheap to throw in last season, but both of these teams are trotting out basically the same line up (at least with the starters). 

Loras leads Coe in about every major offensive and defensive category (albeit not by a huge margin). I think Loras' ability to shut down the oppositions' offense and score inside and out will suit them well when they meet up with BV again.  A fully healthy Ricky Kolze won't hurt either.

I'm not gonna say Loras is way better than Coe right now, though. I just don't want the #2 team in the league to be forgotten. Coe is dangerous and playing better of late (especially with the big win over BV).  The outside threat coupled with Kuenstling is a scary prospect heading into Wednesday's matchup.     

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 05, 2008, 09:28:40 PM
Just to add to my last post, I don't think BV should be fearing anyone in the IIAC right now.  They still look like the best team, despite the recent loss.  I don't think Loras or anyone else in this conference can take them down consistently.  To get it done against BV, a team will have to hit hot from outsideand matchup well with Fogelman.  If there are two teams in the league that can possibly take them down come tournament time, you gotta believe the prime candidates are Coe or Loras....maybe UD if they can get consistency underneath and continue to have great guard play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 05, 2008, 09:29:31 PM
Scores of the past few Coe - BV games:

2/2/08 at BV - Coe 83, BV 78
12/5/07 at Coe - BV 64, Coe 63
2/22/07 at BV - BV 88, Coe 81 OT (Coe led big late)
2/3/07 at Coe - Coe 59, BV 56
1/6/07 at BV - BV 84, Coe 79 OT (Coe led big late)
2/25/06 at Coe - BV 69, Coe 66 (IIAC Title Game)
2/7/06 at Coe - Coe 85, BV 71
1/24/06 at BV - BV 68, Coe 46

These are the games in the Juckem era.  Other than the first two, it appears they have been pretty evenly matched.

PS- I love how the IIAC site archives all of their stats, would be nice if the schools did all that too.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 05, 2008, 11:31:08 PM
Quote from: du-sz on February 05, 2008, 09:28:40 PM
Just to add to my last post, I don't think BV should be fearing anyone in the IIAC right now.  They still look like the best team, despite the recent loss.

BINGO. BV has the best depth in the conference.  That will come into play, especially during the conference tourny.

Quote from: du-sz on February 05, 2008, 09:28:40 PM
....maybe UD if they can get consistency underneath and continue to have great guard play.

You almost lost credibility there...  UD is improved, but BV beat them by 19 at their place and it was way out of hand when they played in Storm Lake (30+)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 05, 2008, 11:47:00 PM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on February 05, 2008, 06:09:18 PM
Well that wasnt the case during the first game - thats another one that Coe simply let get away.  BV hasnt shown this year, other than that skimpy 1 point win at Coe, that they can handle this team.

The last team they want to face in the conference tourney is COE - they understand it will take an enormous game to beat them twice.

A "skimpy" 1 point still puts the "W" or the "L" in their respective columns.

Some (not all) of you Coe guys are sounding like the little kid down the street who finally stands up to the neighborhood bully.  Built up enough courage, walked up to the bully, and kicked him in the nuts.  Sure, the bully stumbles and you're feeling good about yourself, but all you really did was piss off the bully.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 06, 2008, 01:17:21 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 05, 2008, 11:31:08 PM
Quote from: du-sz on February 05, 2008, 09:28:40 PM
....maybe UD if they can get consistency underneath and continue to have great guard play.

You almost lost credibility there...  UD is improved, but BV beat them by 19 at their place and it was way out of hand when they played in Storm Lake (30+)

Well, that was a big maybe I must admit....but neither of those games featured Taylor Blum, a major factor in the Spartans' recent success. The guard dropped in 18 points vs. Simpson and 20 against Loras.  He brings a lot of points to the court, can create scoring chances underneath off the dribble and opens up Daugherty for more open shots.  His biggest issue might be consistency, though...but when he's on, he's on.

Still, it would be a very tough task for them to take down BV if they get the shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2008, 09:53:01 AM
Any word on cancellations for tonight?  I know the Central @ UD wrestling meet was postponed until thursday.  Haven't heard of any other delays. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 06, 2008, 11:09:35 AM
All Loras activities are cancelled for today so looks like no game at Coe tonight. It's to bad, this is a game I'm sure neither team wants to make up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 06, 2008, 12:10:45 PM
Quote from: duhawkdanran on February 06, 2008, 11:09:35 AM
All Loras activities are cancelled for today so looks like no game at Coe tonight. It's to bad, this is a game I'm sure neither team wants to make up.

Coe is still in school and operating right now and no activities have been canceled.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballjunkie5 on February 06, 2008, 12:24:55 PM
So far I've seen Coe vs. Loras (Loras website) and Dubuque vs. Cornell postponed (IIAC website). Please update if you hear of any others.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 06, 2008, 12:51:26 PM
Coe and Loras are now playing tomorrow night at the same times.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 06, 2008, 01:16:40 PM
Loras is about to pound Coe tomorrow night......no school today....all prep for tomorrows game!!! Cannot wait for the outcome of this one :-).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 06, 2008, 09:22:02 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 06, 2008, 01:16:40 PM
Loras is about to pound Coe tomorrow night......no school today....all prep for tomorrows game!!! Cannot wait for the outcome of this one :-).
Interesting that Loras would use the extra day to prep for the game. I heard the Kohawks spent it eating crunchberries and watching High School Musical. I hope they get the highway cleared so we can witness the awe-inspiring Duhawks in Cedar Rapids tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2008, 09:38:16 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 06, 2008, 09:22:02 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 06, 2008, 01:16:40 PM
Loras is about to pound Coe tomorrow night......no school today....all prep for tomorrows game!!! Cannot wait for the outcome of this one :-).
Interesting that Loras would use the extra day to prep for the game. I heard the Kohawks spent it eating crunchberries and watching High School Musical. I hope they get the highway cleared so we can witness the awe-inspiring Duhawks in Cedar Rapids tomorrow.

Maybe you can make me an honorary Kohawk...I ate crunchberries this morning and our 6 and 4 year old girls are watching High School Musical right now!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 06, 2008, 10:35:21 PM
Sounds like BV ripped up on Wartburg...didn't get a score from broadcasters in the five minutes of post game that I heard...

Broadcasters didnt' seem happy and used words such as "torn apart" and "destroyed" when talking about the game...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 06, 2008, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 06, 2008, 09:38:16 PM
Maybe you can make me an honorary Kohawk...I ate crunchberries this morning and our 6 and 4 year old girls are watching High School Musical right now!!!
You got a blade on that lucky mower Dog? If so, you're on.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2008, 11:07:50 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 06, 2008, 10:48:50 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 06, 2008, 09:38:16 PM
Maybe you can make me an honorary Kohawk...I ate crunchberries this morning and our 6 and 4 year old girls are watching High School Musical right now!!!
You got a blade on that lucky mower Dog? If so, you're on.

I got you covered  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2008, 11:14:20 PM
So how is it that BV could make it to Waverly but nobody else could make it out of their campus??? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 06, 2008, 11:22:36 PM
The snow wasn't nearly as bad farther north as it was in Cedar Rapids.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 06, 2008, 11:24:56 PM
BV wins by 13.  43-28 at the half.  80-67 final.

Wagner, Franklin, and Cleveland did most of the damage.  I'm guessing that the quickness of BV's guards were doing the "tearing apart".
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 06, 2008, 11:27:25 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 06, 2008, 11:14:20 PM
So how is it that BV could make it to Waverly but nobody else could make it out of their campus??? 

4 wheel drive...  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 06, 2008, 11:36:17 PM
Wagner put up 18, Cleveland 14, and Franklin with 14 as well.   Bv won the rebounding margin with +9 and shot 9-19 from 3 point land.  They only shot 60% again but reached the line more tonight, 17-28.  Good game for BV after losing a good game to Coe at home on saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 07, 2008, 12:48:49 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 05, 2008, 11:47:00 PM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on February 05, 2008, 06:09:18 PM
Well that wasnt the case during the first game - thats another one that Coe simply let get away.  BV hasnt shown this year, other than that skimpy 1 point win at Coe, that they can handle this team.

The last team they want to face in the conference tourney is COE - they understand it will take an enormous game to beat them twice.

A "skimpy" 1 point still puts the "W" or the "L" in their respective columns.

Some (not all) of you Coe guys are sounding like the little kid down the street who finally stands up to the neighborhood bully.  Built up enough courage, walked up to the bully, and kicked him in the nuts.  Sure, the bully stumbles and you're feeling good about yourself, but all you really did was piss off the bully.

This is crazy talk when mentioning the recent Coe teams.  They have taken a back seat to NO ONE in this conference since the arrival of Pat Juckem.  I was just mentioning that match-up wise....the Kohawks always seem to play the Beavers tough.  Not once did I mention Loras.  I still think that they will be the two seed.  But there is no one that can objectively say at this point that they match up better with BV than the Kohawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 07, 2008, 06:35:19 PM
You Beavers keep on talking....if I remember correctly Loras had a tunrover to lose the game against BV otherwise the game was in their hands.  Lets see if Loras can get past Coe tonight and then move onto BV and get a win there.  I think BV has their hands full come tourny time!!!

Loras by 4 in a tight game tonight.  Centella goes off for 18.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 07, 2008, 09:55:41 PM
Dubuque up on Cornell 36-30 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 07, 2008, 10:42:10 PM
Cornell comes back from 6 down at the half to win 78-68
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 07, 2008, 11:30:02 PM
Im not sure where "us beavers" are really talking.  BV has had some tight games this year with conferences foes and found a way to win.  I know they shall be in for a dog fight once it comes down to the last game when the Duhawks come to town for the last game of the season.  I dont think BV slips up again before that game with games @ Cornell, Central and home vs Simpson.  If they do slip up it could come at Central if Central shots the 3 ball good.  I expect a very good game when Loras comes to town and i believe the beavers will be up for a very good game with the conference title on the line. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 07, 2008, 11:58:58 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 07, 2008, 06:35:19 PM
You Beavers keep on talking....if I remember correctly Loras had a tunrover to lose the game against BV otherwise the game was in their hands.

Did BV maybe force that turnover?

A skimpy one point or forcing a key turnover in a key situation, BV finds ways to win the close games.  BV has the experience and depth to succeed come tourny time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 08, 2008, 11:04:38 AM
I am pretty sure the turnover in the Loras/BV game was forced by BV's incredibly tense full court press, which Loras didn't have an answer for.

Even though I'm a Duhawk fan, I still think that BV is the team to beat in the IIAC and the Duhawks have a lot to work on if they want to beat BV down the stretch.

With Coe beating BV at home, Cornell beating UD last night, and Simpson beating Loras a while back shows that in this conference, top to bottom that any team can beat anyone on any given night.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 08, 2008, 01:19:31 PM
The conference tourny will be a very interesting time.  I agree that on any night, any team could surprise.  It probably puts a little more stress on the favored teams, but the second you play "not to lose", you're gonna get beat.

I may be off, but I think the IIAC will only send the conference tourny winner to the post season.  Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 08, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
I think that there is a chance for BV or Loras to receive a Pool C bid if they either of them dont win the tournament.  If you want more info check the multi-region board and go to the Pool C topic.  Shows how these two stack up within the region.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Storm-what? on February 08, 2008, 01:49:58 PM
Nailbiter in Indianola last night. Central dominates most of first half. Simpson closes the gap right before half. Simpson gets hot and dominates most of the 2nd half to around a 10 point lead. Central gets hot with 4 minutes left and starts draining 3's. With 19 seconds left it is Central 76-73. Simpson fouls them and they keep sinking free throws to end it. Definitely could have done either way.

Simpson really isn't a bad team. They seem to lack the confidence and leadership to finish off the game, but they have played right there with everyone this year. They are young, so hopefully some of that will change with time. They graduated a ton of majpr players last year so they are still feeling that loss.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 08, 2008, 02:15:55 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 08, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
I think that there is a chance for BV or Loras to receive a Pool C bid if they either of them dont win the tournament.  If you want more info check the multi-region board and go to the Pool C topic.  Shows how these two stack up within the region.

From what I've seen and heard in other Division III conferences...at least the ones nearby, I don't think anyone in the Iowa Conference has much of a shot to get a pool C bid. The Duhawks I would say have a better shot than the Beavers at this point strictly based on non-conference wins. Their losses to Clarke and Wheaton were tough, but they did beat North Park at home and UW-LaCrosse on the road. Both teams have wins over #7 Augustana and UW-Platteville needed 2OTs to win at LaCrosse last night.

For BV, losses to a very good GAC team and really bad Cabrini team really hurt. They have no wins over legitimate non-conference foes and their chances for an outside bid are very very small. They'd need a miracle. But I find it hard to believe that the Iowa Conference has any chance at stealing bids from conferences like the WIAC and CCIW who have 3-4 teams in the top 25 as we speak. The chance for life after the IIAC tourney is to win the IIAC Tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 08, 2008, 02:48:31 PM
Agreed with Birds of Prey.  There is only going to be 1 team from the IIAC this year going to the tourny as always.  We dont even have a team in the top 25 so how are they going to muscle in two teams from our conference.  Not going to happen this year guys!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 08, 2008, 02:58:32 PM
I wonder where Cornell will be playing their first round NCAA game then!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2008, 03:00:26 PM
Don't forget that the d3hoops poll has NOTHING to do with tourney selection (every year 2 or 3 top-25 teams stay home).  Teams from leagues like the CCIW amd WIAC should benefit somewhat from the switch from QOWI to OWP/OOWP (last year both conferences sent only ONE team, with each having a top-25 team left at home), but the second and third place teams in the IIAC will probably still have better in-region winning records than the runners-up in the CCIW and WIAC.  Both the CCIW and WIAC are notorious for beating each other up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 08, 2008, 05:27:18 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 08, 2008, 03:00:26 PM
Don't forget that the d3hoops poll has NOTHING to do with tourney selection (every year 2 or 3 top-25 teams stay home).  Teams from leagues like the CCIW amd WIAC should benefit somewhat from the switch from QOWI to OWP/OOWP (last year both conferences sent only ONE team, with each having a top-25 team left at home), but the second and third place teams in the IIAC will probably still have better in-region winning records than the runners-up in the CCIW and WIAC.  Both the CCIW and WIAC are notorious for beating each other up.

Very true. Both leagues should benefit and with there only being like 9 Pool C bids, and taking into account that there will most undoubtedly be an upset here or there in conference championship games allowing an extra team in there, that further puts the IIAC on the outside looking in as far as multiple bids are concerned. Plus, there's only 17 Pool C bids and over 400 D3 schools. As always there will be lots of controversy as to those who miss out. Hopefully that new switch to OWP/OOWP helps with clearing things up a little.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2008, 12:01:13 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on February 08, 2008, 02:15:55 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 08, 2008, 01:38:22 PM
I think that there is a chance for BV or Loras to receive a Pool C bid if they either of them dont win the tournament.  If you want more info check the multi-region board and go to the Pool C topic.  Shows how these two stack up within the region.

From what I've seen and heard in other Division III conferences...at least the ones nearby, I don't think anyone in the Iowa Conference has much of a shot to get a pool C bid. The Duhawks I would say have a better shot than the Beavers at this point strictly based on non-conference wins. Their losses to Clarke and Wheaton were tough, but they did beat North Park at home and UW-LaCrosse on the road. Both teams have wins over #7 Augustana and UW-Platteville needed 2OTs to win at LaCrosse last night.

For BV, losses to a very good GAC team and really bad Cabrini team really hurt. They have no wins over legitimate non-conference foes and their chances for an outside bid are very very small. They'd need a miracle. But I find it hard to believe that the Iowa Conference has any chance at stealing bids from conferences like the WIAC and CCIW who have 3-4 teams in the top 25 as we speak. The chance for life after the IIAC tourney is to win the IIAC Tourney!

The Loras loss to Clarke is completely irrelevant for D3 tourney selection purposes, because Clarke is not a D3 team. Likewise, Buena Vista's loss to Cabrini is irrelevant, because that was not a regional game.

Only regional games count, people. Don't get into the habit of looking at a team's overall record when you start thinking about possible Pool C bids. Always look at the team's regional record. In other words, when you check out a team's schedule on its particular d3hoops.com page, always look for the little black box next to an opponent's name that indicates that the game was a regional contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 09, 2008, 01:36:45 PM
Gregory - So do you think either BV or Loras would have a chance at a Pool C bid?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2008, 02:12:14 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 09, 2008, 01:36:45 PM
Gregory - So do you think either BV or Loras would have a chance at a Pool C bid?

Rather than answer that question myself, let me direct you to the Pool C room in the "Multi-Regional Topics" section of Posting Up, where you can get the answer to that and any other question you might have about Pool C possibilities. That room is not only frequented by long-term national D3 observers, but also by guys such as Patrick Abegg who are crunching the numbers with regard to the Pool C situation.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 09, 2008, 02:20:12 PM
Thanks Gregory, will do.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 09, 2008, 06:41:16 PM
BV beats Cornell 80-64.  BV is 18-4 (12-1).  Cleveland had 19, Fogelman had 14, Fredrichson 13, Stribe 12, and Wagner had 10.  Good win for BV.  The game was close the first half but BV kept going while Cornell cooled off and BV pulled away.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 09, 2008, 10:49:10 PM
Loras routes Wartburg today 83-68. Wartburg pulled a play out of Kansas's old book with a back door lob for a dunk to start the game, which got them fired up enough to stay in for a while until Loras built a 10 point lead and never looked back.

Congrats to Luke Slater who needed 11 points today to reach 1000 for his career. He reached that milestone late in the game and finished with 12.

Loras has the week off with Luther coming to town next saturday. Looks to be like a great last few weeks as always!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 09, 2008, 11:56:16 PM
Big win for the Kohawks today.  The win puts them into sole possession of third place, a spot I think they'll keep for the rest of the way...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 09, 2008, 11:56:51 PM
I wasn't at the Loras-Wartburg game, but from the stats make it look like Loras' 3 point and FT shooting were the difference.  Both team shot pretty well, turnovers were about even, etc.  

Also, I think its pretty telling how banged up Wartburg is when they only go 7 deep and each starter has to play 30 minutes or more.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iiacchamps on February 10, 2008, 06:57:09 PM
What happened to Schutte?  I saw the boxscore and saw he didnt play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 10, 2008, 09:42:22 PM
Quote from: iiacchamps on February 10, 2008, 06:57:09 PM
What happened to Schutte?  I saw the boxscore and saw he didnt play.

I had heard that Wartburg had a couple guys forced to sit out because of the flu. I was surprised Peth only went 2 deep on his bench, but if that's the case then it would explain a lot.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 12, 2008, 11:01:49 AM
Do you guys see the All -Decade team....Congrats to Simpson and ole running mate William Penn for developing to All-Stars.  I cant believe there is not one player from either Wartburg or BV on the list.  They sure had alot of great talent.

Lets create are own all Decade Team for the conference 1998-2008. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 12, 2008, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 12, 2008, 11:01:49 AM
Do you guys see the All -Decade team....Congrats to Simpson and ole running mate William Penn for developing to All-Stars.  I cant believe there is not one player from either Wartburg or BV on the list.  They sure had alot of great talent.

Lets create are own all Decade Team for the conference 1998-2008. 

I'll throw in two Coe guys just from recent years....Kyle Kuenstling and Mike Kilburg...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 12, 2008, 11:31:19 PM
William Penn didn't have any players. William Paterson is a school in New Jersey that played for the national title in 2001.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 13, 2008, 12:42:21 AM
Wednesdays Games
Simpson @ BV- I will take the Beavers here by 15.  BV continues to play good ball and gets the win at home.
Central @ Coe- Coe by 10
Cornell @ Wartburg- Cornell in a close game
Luther @ Dubuque- Dubuque by 10

I believe if the games go the way i picked, Coe, Cornell and Dubuque would all claim spots in the conference tournament.  Even with a central lose i think they clinch a spot in the tournament with Wartburg and Simpson loses.  The field is pretty much all but set for the tournament and the Top 2 seeds are Bv and Loras with who gets the #1 seed depending probably on the last game of the year between them at siebens field house.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 10:00:19 AM
Coe has a significant edge on the other 3-6 teams for the 3 seed by beating BV.  The tiebreaker system goes to record against conference opponents starting with the top team.  Coe's 1-1 record against BV (assuming they win the regualr season title) will be better than the other comers.  They have to take care of buisness with Central at home tonight and Cornell @ Mt. Vernon on Saturday. 

Always nice knowing you are going to get two free points in that one (thanks idiot toilet paper throwers).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 13, 2008, 11:21:20 AM
Always nice knowing you are going to get two free points in that one (thanks idiot toilet paper throwers).
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What game are you referring to and could you explain what happened.  You get 2 points to start off the game .  Very interesting
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 11:53:40 AM
After Cornell scores their first point against Coe, fans throw rolls of TP onto the court resulting in an immediate Technical foul.  Coe promptly makes two free throws and Cornell is essentially down 2-0 most of the times they play. 

It was Hi-larious a couple of years ago when it was 19-0 Coe before Cornell scored.  They still threw the paper because that is the only reason a lot of the fans come most years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2008, 11:58:45 AM
Cornell has video of it on their basketball page, here is a link... http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/mens_basketball/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 13, 2008, 12:24:06 PM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 10:00:19 AM
Coe has a significant edge on the other 3-6 teams for the 3 seed by beating BV.  The tiebreaker system goes to record against conference opponents starting with the top team.  Coe's 1-1 record against BV (assuming they win the regualr season title) will be better than the other comers.  They have to take care of buisness with Central at home tonight and Cornell @ Mt. Vernon on Saturday. 

Always nice knowing you are going to get two free points in that one (thanks idiot toilet paper throwers).

The first tiebreaker is head to head between the two teams.  Should Central win tonight (I don't see it happening), then they would hold the tiebreaker over Coe.  The second tiebreaker is how you fare against the top seeds.

I see no reason Coe doesn't win out...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 13, 2008, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 11:53:40 AM
After Cornell scores their first point against Coe, fans throw rolls of TP onto the court resulting in an immediate Technical foul.  Coe promptly makes two free throws and Cornell is essentially down 2-0 most of the times they play. 

If they wait until Cornell scores to do it,  how can Coe be ahead 2-0 right away?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 13, 2008, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 11:53:40 AM
After Cornell scores their first point against Coe, fans throw rolls of TP onto the court resulting in an immediate Technical foul.  Coe promptly makes two free throws and Cornell is essentially down 2-0 most of the times they play. 

If they wait until Cornell scores to do it,  how can Coe be ahead 2-0 right away?

I am hoping this isn't a serious question.........
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 13, 2008, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 13, 2008, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 11:53:40 AM
After Cornell scores their first point against Coe, fans throw rolls of TP onto the court resulting in an immediate Technical foul.  Coe promptly makes two free throws and Cornell is essentially down 2-0 most of the times they play. 

If they wait until Cornell scores to do it,  how can Coe be ahead 2-0 right away?

I am hoping this isn't a serious question.........
Not really.  Just attempting to poke fun at your math skills.

But seriously, if Cornell needs to score to initiate the outburst, then the most Coe will lead after the technical is 2-1.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 02:18:58 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 13, 2008, 01:52:02 PM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 01:13:18 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 13, 2008, 01:02:46 PM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 11:53:40 AM
After Cornell scores their first point against Coe, fans throw rolls of TP onto the court resulting in an immediate Technical foul.  Coe promptly makes two free throws and Cornell is essentially down 2-0 most of the times they play. 

If they wait until Cornell scores to do it,  how can Coe be ahead 2-0 right away?

I am hoping this isn't a serious question.........
Not really.  Just attempting to poke fun at your math skills.

But seriously, if Cornell needs to score to initiate the outburst, then the most Coe will lead after the technical is 2-1.

How about this..........Cornell essentially spots Coe 2 points every time they play in Mt Vernon......????  Does that work for you?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 13, 2008, 02:43:26 PM
Infinitely better.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 02:55:26 PM
Glad I can clear things up for ya.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 13, 2008, 05:15:23 PM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 13, 2008, 02:55:26 PM
Glad I can clear things up for ya.
Oh, it was perfectly clear to me.  I just wanted to make sure the newcomers were getting the full story.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver Nation on February 13, 2008, 05:18:09 PM
Saw D3 hoops all-decade list... are you kidding me!!! Leaving off Beavers Adam Jones (National Player of the Year) and a significant role in their wins in NCAA tournament! WOW. Not sure if there ever was a more fun player to watch in the league than Jones. UD's Nick Thomas and Tyler Daugherty, Cornell's Griffin LaDew have been recent players who have been fun to watch. Who's been your recent favorites to watch?

Tonight's games:
Central @ Coe
Cornell @ Wartburg
Luther @ Dubuque
Simpson @ Buena Vista
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 13, 2008, 08:12:23 PM
Quote from: Beaver Nation on February 13, 2008, 05:18:09 PM
Saw D3 hoops all-decade list... are you kidding me!!! Leaving off Beavers Adam Jones (National Player of the Year) and a significant role in their wins in NCAA tournament! WOW. Not sure if there ever was a more fun player to watch in the league than Jones. UD's Nick Thomas and Tyler Daugherty, Cornell's Griffin LaDew have been recent players who have been fun to watch. Who's been your recent favorites to watch?

Tonight's games:
Central @ Coe
Cornell @ Wartburg
Luther @ Dubuque
Simpson @ Buena Vista


Kyle White's been a joy to watch through his four years. He really can do anything on the basketball court...inside, outside; it doesn't make any difference with him. Kyle Kuenstling and I agree with you on Nick Thomas. Both of them have been pretty fun to watch as well.

Central and Cornell will win on the road...UD and BV at home!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2008, 09:42:58 PM
Dubuque up over Luther at the half 35-22
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 13, 2008, 10:05:04 PM
Maybe the "Live Stats" program is screwed up on BV's website, but it says...

BV - 62
Simpson - 18

HALFTIME!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2008, 10:27:00 PM
Dubuque beats Luther 70-49

BV vs. Simpson...yikes
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 13, 2008, 10:44:13 PM
BV - 103
Simpson - 65

FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 13, 2008, 10:57:21 PM
That score is correct.  The beavers made 10 3s in the first half and ended with 19 3s.  BV had 5 in double figures with Wagner 19, Friedrichson 13, Franklin 13, Stribe 12 and Cleveland 10.  BV had a 55 point lead at one point in the second half.  Simpson played a pretty good second half and had a good press at times.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 14, 2008, 12:54:14 AM
Nailbiting win tonight for the Kohawks.  Led most of the game and held off Central for a 75-74 win.  The field is set for the IIAC Tourny, just not the seeds....

Wartburg, Simpson and Luther done after their next 3 games...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 14, 2008, 02:28:45 AM
Zak Clark had a shot to win it at the buzzer.  IT looked dead on out of his hand..........glad he didnt make it.  Great game to watch.

Clark and DeHoog are tough.  One of the best guard combos in the conference.  I like them both as competitors and they had a big time upper hand in tonight's match-up with Coe's guards.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 14, 2008, 10:23:47 AM
Congrats to Dubuque for making the conference tourney.  2 more conference wins than last season and there are still 2 games left to play.  Now I can enjoy myself when I watch them at Wartburg on Feb. 23rd!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 14, 2008, 11:06:37 AM
I just heard that Zak Clark was playing with a heavy heart last night.  He lost someone close to him on Tuesday night.  He played great and with great emotion in Eby Fieldhouse on Wednesday. 

Thoughts and prayers go out to the Clark family. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 15, 2008, 10:19:25 AM
If I am seeing this correctly I can see Loras walking away with the title if they take care of business and BV loses to Central this weekend.  Central has the guards to hang with BV's.  This could turn out to be a very interesting final game of the year!!!!  Go Duhawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 15, 2008, 10:23:33 AM
If Loras wins out, they will be the #1 seed in the tourney no matter if BV loses another game or not.  BV's loss to Coe will be the tiebreaker in that situation.  They tie in the standings, split with each other, and then (assuming Coe locks up the 3 seed) Loras gains the tiebreaker by sweeping Coe and BV splitting with the Kohawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 15, 2008, 01:48:13 PM
I don't see Buena Vista losing another game during the regular season....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 15, 2008, 02:26:13 PM
Me either.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 15, 2008, 03:49:49 PM
As the conference season is almost over, I wanted to see opinions for post-season awards. 

First Team All-Conference
Conference MVP
Coach of the Year
Most Improved Player

if you want to partake, know that the conference MVP does not go on the first-team per IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 15, 2008, 04:11:17 PM
First Team (the conference names 7 to each team):
Griffen LaDew - COR
Tyler Daugherty - DBQ
Kyle Kuentsling - COE
Brett DeHoog - CEN
Andre Wagner - BVU
Tim Dunlavy - SIM
Cashes Mason - WAR

Conference MVP:
Kyle White - LOR

Coach of the Year:
Pat Juckem

Most Improved Player:
Zach Ruckenbiel - LUT
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 15, 2008, 07:02:05 PM
My First-Team All-Conference:
Kyle Kuenstling - COE
Tyler Daugherty - DBQ
Andre Wagner - BVU
Tim Dunlavy - SIM
Griffen LeDew - COR
Luke Slater - LOR
Miguel Ley - CEN

Conference MVP:
Kyle White - LOR

Coach of the Year:
Brian VanHaaften - BVU

Most Improved Player:
Zach Ruckebeil - LUT
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 16, 2008, 06:34:50 PM
Dubuque wins at Central 75 - 62

Dubuque now 8 - 7 in conference play
Central drops to 6 - 8 in conference play
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 16, 2008, 07:41:17 PM
Results from today

Feb. 16 Coe @ Cornell 81-59   
Feb. 16 Dubuque @ Central 75-62   
Feb. 16 Luther @ Loras 43-61   
Feb. 16 Wartburg @ Simpson 65-61

And current standings

x-Buena Vista  13 - 1 
x-Loras 12 - 2 
x-Coe 9 - 6
x-Dubuque 8 - 7
x-Cornell 7 - 7
x-Central 6 - 8 
Wartburg 4 - 10
Simpson 3 - 11
Luther 2 - 12


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver Nation on February 16, 2008, 09:54:57 PM
First Team (the conference names 7 to each team):
Tyler Daugherty - DBQ
Kyle Kuentsling - COE
Brett DeHoog - CEN
Griffin LaDew - COR
Tim Dunlavy - SIM
Brian Fogleman - BVU
Kyle White - LOR

Conference MVP:
Andre Wagner - BVU

Coach of the Year:
Robbie Sieverding - DBQ

Top Newcomer:
Taylor Blum - DBQ (how could Loras let him get away is beyond comprehension... two thumbs up for the Spartans for utilizing his talent. Lit up the Dutch for 30 points on Saturday!)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on February 17, 2008, 11:37:07 AM
I don't know if i'd say Loras let Blum get away.  He was only enrolled at Loras for a few weeks and I've heard that he wanted to start or at least be the 6th man, and Gorton wasn't willing to promise that. I think in the end he'll wish he stayed as he would probably get much more PT next year as Loras graduates most of their starting  five.  He just wasn't willing to wait. I also think once Daugherty is gone, defenses will be able to focus on him more and I think it might be a little more rough on him.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 17, 2008, 03:10:47 PM
BeaverNation-  So you dont think Wagner is on the first team but he receives the MVP honors.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 17, 2008, 03:33:36 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 17, 2008, 03:10:47 PM
BeaverNation-  So you dont think Wagner is on the first team but he receives the MVP honors.

The MVP doesn't make the All-Conference team.  They have the MVP, then 7 first team members.  I guess you could say he makes first team and there are 8 members, but that isn't how they name it.

http://www.iowaconference.com/men/basketball/all_conference/2007.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 17, 2008, 07:11:31 PM
Really that interesting.  Dont really understand that but i guess they don't need another honor
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseeme on February 17, 2008, 09:18:52 PM
I think it is just the assumption that it should be a give in that the MVP is a first team selection.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 17, 2008, 10:17:09 PM
Loras only loses two starters and they are both forwards. I don't see how they lose most of their starting line up and Blum would still have to compete for a spot because Centella, Kolze, and Oeth are back for their senior year. Blum just acted like a selfish cry baby and left Loras because he didn't get his way. Sorry to put it that way but thats what he did, and if he isn't a team player he is better off not being part of the family that is Loras basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 17, 2008, 10:33:47 PM
Quote from: duhawkdanran on February 17, 2008, 10:17:09 PM
Loras only loses two starters and they are both forwards. I don't see how they lose most of their starting line up and Blum would still have to compete for a spot because Centella, Kolze, and Oeth are back for their senior year. Blum just acted like a selfish cry baby and left Loras because he didn't get his way. Sorry to put it that way but thats what he did, and if he isn't a team player he is better off not being part of the family that is Loras basketball.

Word.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 18, 2008, 08:16:45 AM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 15, 2008, 10:23:33 AM
If Loras wins out, they will be the #1 seed in the tourney no matter if BV loses another game or not.  BV's loss to Coe will be the tiebreaker in that situation.  They tie in the standings, split with each other, and then (assuming Coe locks up the 3 seed) Loras gains the tiebreaker by sweeping Coe and BV splitting with the Kohawks.

I just wanted to understand this.  Loras has 2 conference losses.  BV only has 1 conference loss.  If both squads win out then Loras is the #1 seed ???

How can this be?  I can see this if BV drops another game in the conference, but I do not see this happening.  If this is a true statement, please give me more insight into how a 2 loss team can overtake a one loss team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 18, 2008, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 18, 2008, 08:16:45 AM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 15, 2008, 10:23:33 AM
If Loras wins out, they will be the #1 seed in the tourney no matter if BV loses another game or not.  BV's loss to Coe will be the tiebreaker in that situation.  They tie in the standings, split with each other, and then (assuming Coe locks up the 3 seed) Loras gains the tiebreaker by sweeping Coe and BV splitting with the Kohawks.

I just wanted to understand this.  Loras has 2 conference losses.  BV only has 1 conference loss.  If both squads win out then Loras is the #1 seed ???

How can this be?  I can see this if BV drops another game in the conference, but I do not see this happening.  If this is a true statement, please give me more insight into how a 2 loss team can overtake a one loss team. 

Loras plays at BV to end the season.  If Loras wins they would each have 2 losses.  Since they would have split the series between them the next tie breaker is records against the next placed team in the conference.  Coe is currently in 3rd place and split with BV while Loras swept Coe.  That would give the title to Loras if Loras wins out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 18, 2008, 11:05:32 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 18, 2008, 09:27:38 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 18, 2008, 08:16:45 AM
Quote from: youcantseeme on February 15, 2008, 10:23:33 AM
If Loras wins out, they will be the #1 seed in the tourney no matter if BV loses another game or not.  BV's loss to Coe will be the tiebreaker in that situation.  They tie in the standings, split with each other, and then (assuming Coe locks up the 3 seed) Loras gains the tiebreaker by sweeping Coe and BV splitting with the Kohawks.

I just wanted to understand this.  Loras has 2 conference losses.  BV only has 1 conference loss.  If both squads win out then Loras is the #1 seed ???

How can this be?  I can see this if BV drops another game in the conference, but I do not see this happening.  If this is a true statement, please give me more insight into how a 2 loss team can overtake a one loss team. 

Loras plays at BV to end the season.  If Loras wins they would each have 2 losses.  Since they would have split the series between them the next tie breaker is records against the next placed team in the conference.  Coe is currently in 3rd place and split with BV while Loras swept Coe.  That would give the title to Loras if Loras wins out. 
Thanks dog.  I knew I was missing something there. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 18, 2008, 12:39:43 PM
I know the conference tourney adds some excitement and a team that maybe got out slow out of the blocks can use the tourney to get that spot in the NCAA tourney.  But for me it takes away from the season.  A team works their butt off the whole season and could go 15-1 and then 1 bad night out against a team they might have already beat twice during the season and now they stay home from the NCAA tourney.  Doesn't seem right to me...but I know I am in the minority with these thoughts. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 18, 2008, 01:50:04 PM
I agree.  But the same could be said for Iowa's high school basketball format.  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 18, 2008, 02:18:50 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 18, 2008, 12:39:43 PM
I know the conference tourney adds some excitement and a team that maybe got out slow out of the blocks can use the tourney to get that spot in the NCAA tourney.  But for me it takes away from the season.  A team works their butt off the whole season and could go 15-1 and then 1 bad night out against a team they might have already beat twice during the season and now they stay home from the NCAA tourney.  Doesn't seem right to me...but I know I am in the minority with these thoughts. 

Your same logic applies to the Kohawks in Pat Juckem's first year.  Won the IIAC Regular season title, then lost at home to BV in the Tourney Championship, costing them at spot in the NCAA's.  I guess if the team goes 15-1 during the regular season, but fails to get an at-large bid, they weren't that great on a regional scale, just in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 18, 2008, 03:00:41 PM
Good point Kohawk. I think teams in the Iowa conference should play tougher non-conference schedules because they can not rely on their conference record to get in. Some of the top ranked teams in D3 are right across the river in Wisconsin and Illinois. IIAC teams should take the time to play these teams to beef their standings regionally.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 18, 2008, 03:55:27 PM
I know Coe played Wash U and Augustana this year, both ranked in the Top Ten at the time.  I believe someone else played Augie as well.  I think someone played a Wisconsin school, but don't remember which.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 18, 2008, 04:40:10 PM
Wartburg has played Wheaton, Augie, and Aurora. Loras has played UW-LaCrosse, Wheaton, and North Park. Dubuque played UW-Platteville. Simpson and Cornell have also played Augie. Simpson played Elmhurst and Carleton as well, and Luther and BV both played Gustavus Adolphus of the MIAC.

So IIAC teams have been playing tougher competition this year, they just haven't been able to get as many wins out of it. There might be an argument as to why the IIAC hasn't scheduled more games against the WIAC, MIAC, or CCIW, but then again those are really good conferences. The better teams of those conferences might not be so willing to play teams from the IIAC when they could play tougher competition elsewhere.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 18, 2008, 05:47:40 PM
Same thing happened to Wartburg in '05.  Knights went 23-5 that year, 15-1 in the league, but lost to BV twice in the last week of the season and got held out of the tournament.  Went 6-3 in the non-con that year, with the three losses coming to Augustana, Grinnell, and Calvin and one of the wins over St. Thomas.

I talked to one of the conference coaches the week after the conference tournament finished up, and while the rules of decency probably forbid me from typing exactly what he said, it was something to the effect of "your guys got screwed."

The situation is a lot like what the IIAC was dealing with in football up until about 7-8 years ago.  No matter how deserving the #2 team was, this was a one-bid conference 95% of the time.  But after Wartburg and Coe both made it in 2002 and each played damn well, that opened the door to the IIAC being more of an at-large contender.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on February 18, 2008, 06:00:49 PM
If I understand everything correctly.  I do believe that the Kohawks are the only team to lock in their tournament bid at the three spot. (Except for the teams not making it.)  This means 1,2,4,5, and 6 seeds will all be decided this weekend.  Any predictions on how this plays out?  I think the conference road will go through BV, but anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 18, 2008, 05:47:40 PM
Same thing happened to Wartburg in '05.  Knights went 23-5 that year, 15-1 in the league, but lost to BV twice in the last week of the season and got held out of the tournament.  Went 6-3 in the non-con that year, with the three losses coming to Augustana, Grinnell, and Calvin and one of the wins over St. Thomas.

Of course the loss to Calvin didn't hurt Wartburg, since that was not a regional game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 19, 2008, 10:33:04 AM
Top 3
Loras
BV
Coe

Loras goes on the road and beats BV.  Gorton will be named coach of the year.  Back to back conference champs for the Duhawks.  The rest is history. 

The only team that ever advances out of the conference tourny is the #1 seed, with the exception of BV over Coe a few years ago.

I dont see anyone else making it out besides Loras or BV......good luck to all!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 19, 2008, 12:08:51 PM
BV beats Loras this week, BV #1, Loras #2, Coe #3...

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 19, 2008, 01:22:55 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2008, 12:19:55 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 18, 2008, 05:47:40 PM
Same thing happened to Wartburg in '05.  Knights went 23-5 that year, 15-1 in the league, but lost to BV twice in the last week of the season and got held out of the tournament.  Went 6-3 in the non-con that year, with the three losses coming to Augustana, Grinnell, and Calvin and one of the wins over St. Thomas.

Of course the loss to Calvin didn't hurt Wartburg, since that was not a regional game.
Exactly.  Plus, playing a national power to a 6 or 7 point loss (if I remember right) is a nice little side note to a pretty strong regional schedule. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2008, 02:51:38 PM
Looking around the IIAC website this morning I looked up the history of the conference champs...here's what I came up with.

Wartburg - 21 titles
Central - 15 titles
Upper Iowa - 9 titles
Buena Vista - 8 titles
Luther - 7 titles
Dubuque - 7 titles
Loras - 6 titles
St. Ambrose - 6 titles
Simpson - 5 titles
Parsons - 5 titles
William Penn - 4 titles
UNI - 2 titles
Coe - 1 title
Iowa Wesleyan - 1 title

I am not sure if the conference counts regular season or tourney titles since the conference tourney came into play.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2008, 02:58:02 PM
Here are how the conference titles have broken down by decade...

1920's
Parsons - 2
UNI - 2
Buena Vista - 1
St. Ambrose - 1

1930's
Central - 4
St. Ambrose - 4
Iowa Wesleyan - 1
Luther - 1

1940's
Dubuque - 4
Loras - 3
Simpson - 2
Luther - 2

1950's
Wartburg - 3
Loras - 2
Upper Iowa - 2
St. Ambrose - 1
Luther - 1
Parsons - 1
Central - 1

1960's
Wartburg - 4
Upper Iowa - 4
Parsons - 2
Buena Vista - 1
Luther - 1

1970's
Wartburg - 6
Central - 4
William Penn - 2
Buena Vista - 1

1980's
Wartburg - 3
Central - 2
William Penn - 2
Luther - 2
Dubuque - 2

1990's
Central - 4
Simpson - 3
Upper Iowa - 3
Wartburg - 2
Dubuque - 1
Buena Vista - 1

2000's
Buena Vista - 4
Wartburg - 3
Coe - 1
Loras - 1

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on February 19, 2008, 05:56:59 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 19, 2008, 02:51:38 PM

I am not sure if the conference counts regular season or tourney titles since the conference tourney came into play.



Coe didn't win the conference tourney this decade, so it must be the regualar season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 19, 2008, 06:00:20 PM
Yeah, I believe BV won the conference tourny for Coe's year and 2 of Wartburg's.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2008, 09:13:42 PM
Wartburg 10 Luther 10 4 minutes in.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2008, 09:17:19 PM
I'm watching the video stream from Luther and notice they have the international trapezoid lane markings. Anyone know why/ if NCAA is looking to change to that soon?

WC 12 LC 12 6 minutes in.

Womens game was UGLY. Ended 20 point LC win 53-33 but was 22-7 LC @ half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2008, 09:24:13 PM
23-17  Wartburg  10 minutes in.

WC shooting 71% from field.

LC's announcers are better then WC's this year >:( ??? ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2008, 09:34:21 PM
27-22 Wartburg 4 minutes left  in 1/2
Schmitt had a great 1 handed followup dunk. Got to hang on the rim because a LC player under him.

UNi getting drilled. Hello Thursday game in MVC tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2008, 09:35:13 PM
I was able to catch part of the womens game tonight.  That video steaming is pretty fun to watch...and it's free!!!

I hope the rest of the schools...or at least Dubuque...go to that as well.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2008, 09:39:54 PM
Doolittle
I'm giving up on LC video stream way to choppy now and have lost radio component. There is about a posession delay from LIVE to stream. Tried watching and listen to  Wart radio.

Walston, SK da 1,--- WHAT has HAPPENED to your former dept??????

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2008, 09:43:17 PM
NICE Home cooking LC.  15 seconds left in half, Wart holding for last shot and buzzer goes off.

HALF TIME LC 28 - WC 27

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2008, 09:48:16 PM
I had lost audio and the video got choppy early into the mens game...plus we were dealing with getting jammies on and getting the kids to bed...not easy when there is a lunar eclipse going on and they all thought that was pretty cool...so I turned off the Luther video feed. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2008, 10:08:05 PM
COME ON Doolittle DAD, on a 1/2 hour more and it will eclipsed.

It is too cool. I spent 1/2 time out watching.

Game video better, still NO LC radio.

32-29 Wart

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2008, 10:22:40 PM
They're still watching the eclipse...we just told them they had to get into their jammies and the lights had to be out...but they could stay up and look out their window.  It has been pretty cool watching it. 

I really wouldn't mind more IIAC teams getting the video feed thing going.  I could get used to this!!!  And you are right, the Luther announcers weren't bad. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2008, 10:26:42 PM
one lastpost before heading out to watch eclipse.
I talked to IT dept @ Wart today and the athletic dept. investigated doing it. BUt I think it was back burnered until W projuect was/is done.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2008, 10:51:59 PM
FINAL
Wartburg 54 Luther 53

Lunar Eclipse was the big winner tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 20, 2008, 11:05:21 PM
Central upset BV tonight 73-71 tonight.  Big lose for the beavers if they were going to have a chance at a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 20, 2008, 11:33:18 PM
Bad loss for the Beavers.  But I don't think it really altered anything.  BV has to win Saturday to win the conference and win the conference tourny in order to advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 21, 2008, 12:57:53 AM
Yeah a Pool C bid was still a possibility if they won out and lost in the conference tournament even though it was slim.  They need this next game to get the #1 seed and better their chances of making the tournament.  Saturdays game will be a huge one and the beaver crowd will be rowdy for this game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 21, 2008, 08:27:23 AM
Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 21, 2008, 09:17:51 AM
Congratulations to the Dutch on a great win last night.  Reserves AJ Meyer and Sim Lang took their senior night opportunity and made the most of it.  12 or 16 3's from the two of them was incredible.  They have put a lot of time and dedication in for not much playing time, so it was awesome to see them shine.  Finish up strong guys.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 21, 2008, 12:16:30 PM
Who hosts the tournament this year?  Does the #1 seed host all of their games or how does it work
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 21, 2008, 12:49:20 PM
All games are at the higher seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 21, 2008, 03:33:19 PM
What we have all been waiting for the BV - Loras showdown on Saturday.........It is going to be a dandy.  Cant wait for the Beaver crowd to go nuts on the Duhawks as they always do.

Loras is going to need to play up to their potential in this game and really show the beavers they deserve the #1 spot.  This is going to a be a great game heading into the conference tourny.

Loras needs this win to have a chance at a Pool C bid just in case they lose in the conference championship.

Expect a big game out of Kyle White and Ricky Kolze.........cant wait for another title in the Loras AWC.
2 in 2 years........big things are happening in Dubtown these days!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 21, 2008, 07:50:45 PM
I'll be there.

We'll see if Kolze can help out this time around instead of leaving White out to dry.

Stribe will be back for the Beavers, who is a double-digit scorer that didn't play in the game back in January.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 21, 2008, 09:05:48 PM
It was Kolze's second game back after missing three weeks with a high ankle sprain the first time around. Expect him step up this time.

Loras and BV, Round 2, is going to be a knock down-drag out affair. Neither team will want to travel 5 hours a week later for the IIAC title game, and both are vying for a IIAC regular season championship. It doesn't get any better than this between two of the regions better teams.

Let's build this up a little bit and throw in some score predictions!!

I say...71-70 Duhawks, BV leads most of the way, but free throws win it for Loras.      Kyle White: 25 pts. 13 boards
Andre Wagner: 27 points
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 21, 2008, 09:21:05 PM
I'm not bold enough for one prediction:

If Loras can break the incredible BV pressure and stop Fogleman down low (if he doesn't make impossible shots this time) Loras will win 76-69

If Loras does neither of this BV wins 72-66
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 21, 2008, 10:01:52 PM
BV will come out more focused and a little pissed off after dropping a game they shouldn't have down in Pella.

BV - 84
Loras - 73
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2008, 09:30:16 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 21, 2008, 10:01:52 PM
BV will come out more focused and a little pissed off after dropping a game they shouldn't have down in Pella.

BV - 84
Loras - 73
Show, I remember a few pages back when you didn't see BV losing another game this season.  Since this is the third straight year that Central beat BV in Pella, you might want to stop taking us so lightly.   :-\  Then again, we graduate a lot of talent (for Central) this year, so I hope it doesn't go back to being a foregone conclusion.   :'(  Central men's basketball is to the IIAC what Dubuque football has been.  We have been at the bottom for a bit and are making a climb, but like the Spartans FB team, graduation could put us right back where we were. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 22, 2008, 11:04:36 AM
The key for Loras is to stop BV's guards (Wagner).....the key for BV is to slow down White.

I am going with Loras by 5 points.......BV goes into halftime up by 8.  Loras makes a run late in the game and takes the IIAC trophy back to the AWC!!!!

Go Duhawks
White: 22 pts 9 boards
Slater: 12 pts 6 boards
Kolze: 17 points, 3 threes
Centella: 13 points 4 assists
Oeth: just all over the court

BV:
Flogelman: 18 points
Wagner: 22 points

This is going to be a night to remember in Storm Lake.....the duhawks walking away with their trophy and enjoying the 5 hour drive back to dubtown.......

Gorton: Coach of the year????
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 22, 2008, 11:15:45 AM
I don't think it matters a whole lot how lightly I take Central since I'm not the one having to play or coach against them. Bottom line is that I think BV is a better ball club than Central and should'nt have lost to them at home or on the road.

BV also had this problem with Cornell (@ Cornell) about 4 years ago, but have seemed to remedy that problem.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Golden Norver on February 23, 2008, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 20, 2008, 10:22:40 PM

I really wouldn't mind more IIAC teams getting the video feed thing going.  I could get used to this!!!  And you are right, the Luther announcers weren't bad. 

today's de facto regular season title game will be video streamed

http://bvu.edu/athletics/broadcast/

no promises on the quality of the announcing though
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 23, 2008, 03:45:26 PM
Go DuHawks!!!  Can we say back 2 back?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2008, 09:07:23 PM
BV up by 1 point over Loras with 12 seconds left.

Video looks good, announcers arent too bad!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2008, 09:10:30 PM
My father and I went to the UD/Wartburg game today.  The W is very impressive...quiet crowd though.  Wartburg wins by 2 on a shot as time expired.  Visited the Fainting Goat afterwards...nice place. 

BV beats Luther 80-79. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 23, 2008, 09:35:02 PM
Wow that was one of the best games i have ever been to.  Bv won by 1 over loras.  Loras missed a 3 pointer with a couple seconds to go but scored a tip in to lose by one.   Loras had 2 technical fouls one on Kyle White after he got his 5th foul.  The first one occurred when Alex Brandt got his 4th foul and he was arguing the call.  Great game.  Wagner finished with 22 points, Kyle Write had 17, and Slater ended with 19 and made some big 3 pointers and pulled down some big rebounds to keep them in the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on February 23, 2008, 10:35:21 PM
I concur the BEST D3 game I have ever witnessed! Can't wait tell next saterday to see it again.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 24, 2008, 11:01:40 AM
Congratulations to the Beavers.  Also the its sounds like the DuHawks played one heck of a game themselves. 

Looking forward to seeing how the conference tournament plays out.......
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 24, 2008, 11:57:40 AM
Great game in Storm Lake the other night for sure.  Both teams were playing lights out, and the atmosphere was great.

Tough to see my Duhawks go down in such an amazing game, though.  I must give them kudos for hanging in there despite losing Brandt, Centella, White, and Oeth to fouls.  A couple iffy technical foul calls really set them back, but play from guys like Luke Slater and Pat Conrad kept them in it when they needed it.

Looking forward to the conference tournament, it should be a fun one.  Both Loras and BV will have some tough tests in the second round, but it would be great to see a rematch of last night's game in the tournament final.  BV is going to hard to stop.  They can do it inside with Fogleman and Cleveland, and of course outside with Wagner and crew.  If BV comes to play, other teams will need to play flawless to beat them in Storm Lake.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 24, 2008, 01:17:58 PM
I agree it was one of the best games I've seen. And the women's game before that ranks up there too. But, as much as I don't like to talk about the officiating because I think their job is hard enough, it's hard not to bring it up. And for the people that were there, like myself, that have posted, I'm a little surprised it hasn't come up yet.

It's different when a team loses after playing their best on an even playing than when they are clipped at the knees by something they can't control. I'm not trying to make excuses for Loras, but three players were in foul trouble at halftime and four fouled out, three of them were starters, two of those were arguable the two best players on the team. The two best players on BV finished with one foul a piece. Now usually fouls tend to even themselves out at the end of the game, but not last night, and I'm glad the commissioner was there to witness what could be considered an atrocity. The Duhawks were called for 9 more fouls than the Beavers and a lot of them were away from the ball, which at the time didn't make any sense. I wish I could see the game film to get a better idea what was or wasn't really a foul.

I'm just glad to know that if both teams make it as far, we'll have the tournament officiating crew on hand to call the championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on February 24, 2008, 01:52:06 PM
I believe the officials should have let the teams decide the game they blew the whistle to often. the technicals they were desrved you can't be showing up the refs, then again seen it happen in Memphis,Tennesee game last niight and nothing was called.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 24, 2008, 03:39:12 PM
Calling the technicals deserved in this game is not what should of happened. Can you blame players who are getting no calls their way for telling the ref "I had all ball." I know I've done that in a game and not gotten T'ed up. As far as the second technical goes, you can not blame a player for getting a little emotion in that game. You have the crowd going crazy, you are playing for the title, the game is virtually tied, and you just got your 4th foul. The refs should of let them play on those.

I'd just like to say great job to all of the Loras players for stepping it up. I think that is the best they have played as a team all year.

See you in Storm Lake next for a rematch! -- hopefully
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 24, 2008, 05:18:56 PM
The refs argument can go both ways.  They didnt blow the whistle when Fogelman was in there are trying to get a rebound and got undercut and slam down hard on the ground.  As for the technicals if they weren't arguing so much about calls and everything they wouldn't have gotten them.  It was a great game and thats what we should remember it by that.  Hopefully we get to see a rematch because with an NCAA bid on the line BVs crowd will be rocking again.

Good luck to every one that is in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 24, 2008, 05:23:31 PM
The foul difference looks a lot worse than it is because of having to foul at the end of the game to give themselves a chance to come back.  They had to foul i believe 4 times so it was a difference of 5
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 24, 2008, 06:00:09 PM
I disagree. What made it seem so lob-sided was the fact that a lot of the fouls called against Loras took place away from the ball. How do you explain the five fouls called against Brandt in his nine minutes of play? None of them were even called on a BV shot attempt. It was ludicrous, the Duhawks weren't able to play their stapled hard-nose defense they've been known for this year.

The point you made about the calls being able to go both ways, and you used Fogleman as an example...I have trouble buying any of the two flops we witnessed last night from him. He's at least 260 lbs. A guy like him just doesn't go to the floor like that when there isn't another guy even close to his size on the floor. The referees were ignorant towards how important that game really was and took the outcome into their own hands. That is the only problem that I have with it, they did not let the game be decided by the players and the game was not evenly called. Almost a double-bonus different between team fouls. It was unfair for them to put the players, broadcasters, and everyone else involved in that game in a position to need to question the officiating. I hope we never have to come to terms with something like that ever again.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on February 24, 2008, 07:36:18 PM
I wasn't at the game and only watched a little bit of it online.  I don't like when spectators think the fouls should be "even."  If one team fouls more than the other, they should get called for more fouls.  In many games one team is more aggressive and puts the other team in positions in which they foul more often.  This does not mean the other team should be given "make-up calls" to even the foul count. 

Like I said, I'm not sure if there were bad calls (most officials suck, so there probably were) because I didn't watch the game.  However, please don't make the argument that the fouls should be even. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 24, 2008, 07:58:20 PM
Valid point baller, I know where you're coming from. The way I saw was these were two evenly matched teams. The first time they met fouls were nearly identical, it came down to the last shot, and throughout the year both teams have been ranked side by side based on statistics in the conference.

I just want everyone to know that I don't typically argue against the officiating because it's usually the same for each side. In this case it wasn't and that's why I make these claims. That's all I'm going to say about this in defense of Loras. It's time to start talking about first and second round action now.

Aside from the final games, the top 6 teams have been pretty competitive all year long and it's going to be a great IIAC Tourney!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 24, 2008, 09:54:36 PM
I was at the game shooting highlights I will post the link to the video as soon as I edit it down tomorrow. I'll make sure to put the questionable calls in there so you can decide for yourself.

I hope they play again saturday! It makes filming very fun.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 24, 2008, 10:00:05 PM
Congrats to the Beavers...... and what a bite for Loras.  I wish they could have pulled it out in Storm Lake......sounds like it was an incredible game.  All in all you have to keep your emotions in check win games like these are decided only by a point.

Great season for both teams and now it just comes down to the conference tourny and nothing else before this really mattered.......sort of scary. 

Hopefully the duhawks and can continue to be aggressive and role through the tournament just like last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 24, 2008, 10:45:06 PM
As you said Loras is known for their hard nose defense that should explain enough right there.  They are constantly in your face and physical and the refs weren't allowing it.  Hopefully they play on saturday because it was a lot of fun to watch and it will be for an NCAA bid
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 24, 2008, 10:59:45 PM
Pretty good game last night.  I was impressed with the crowd and was glad to see the student section out in full force.

Very impressed with Slater.  If he didn't play like he did, Loras would've easily been beaten by double digits.  He came up with the big rebounds, second chance points, and hit nearly all of his 3's.  This is based on one game's performance, but I would take him over Kolze, who was really quiet besides the late 3.  Centella is probably the most physical guard I've seen in awhile.  Ostey should've had him in the backfield with his forearm shivers (which were never called by the way  ;)).

I thought BV owned the paint and Fogleman could back his way in whenever he needed to, but Loras was able to come away with nearly all of the longer rebounds and essentially won the rebound margin. I was also hoping for a little full court pressure from the Beavers, especially since they are able to basically do a "line change" on substitutions. I think it's safe to say there's not a quicker guard in the conference than Wagner. His ability to get vertical is just as impressive. He should have sealed his MVP campaign last night.

Overall, I think one word decided the game last night: composure.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 08:16:28 AM
Birds I know I have provoked the Loras faithful some this season, but I am not doing it this time, or anymore for that fact. 

I can see where you are coming from.  I have followed Loras the best that I can all season through statistics and press releases.  It appears that Loras as a very IN YOUR FACE type of play and toes the line every time that they play. 

Since I am a Beaver, I can not say I agree with you, but I can see where you are coming from.  I was a not a bball player, my sport was football.  I have seen this same type of thing happen on the grid iron.  You have an oline who fires off and gets after it, and they get holding penalties all game long.  In reality they are not holding anymore/less than the other team, the officials are just seeing it more. 

I would ask how many times that offciating crew has worked BV games and Loras games this season?  I hate to say it, but everyones rear ends get a bit tigher when the chips are down, officials included. 

I will make one statement, BV is not assured an automatic spot into the tourney yet, so we still have to wade through the conference tourney.  Good luck to the Beavers, and Wagner does deserve the MVP. 

Side Note:  It appears that Kolze has not played well in either of the two meetings, is his ankle still a question mark?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 25, 2008, 11:31:40 AM
Thanks for seeing where I'm coming from. As for Kolze, he's 100 percent. Hasn't shown ill effects of that ankle in quite some time. BV must just have his number.

I look forward to the rematch this Saturday. Cross your fingers nothing gets in the way of that. lol.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 25, 2008, 12:11:23 PM
I'm starting to get the feeling I'm the only one around here that doesn't root for Loras or BV.  Guess winning brings more fans out of the woodwork.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 25, 2008, 12:11:23 PM
I'm starting to get the feeling I'm the only one around here that doesn't root for Loras or BV.  Guess winning brings more fans out of the woodwork.

Take a look at the football board SK.  Knights and Dutch dominate. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on February 25, 2008, 11:31:40 AM
Thanks for seeing where I'm coming from. As for Kolze, he's 100 percent. Hasn't shown ill effects of that ankle in quite some time. BV must just have his number.

I look forward to the rematch this Saturday. Cross your fingers nothing gets in the way of that. lol.

Well in all reality I hope that something does get in the way of that.  Beating a team 3 times in one season is very VERY hard. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2008, 12:43:51 PM
BV and Loras have been the class of the conference this year.  BUT, it might be a bit early to be predicting these two teams meeting again in the finals of the conference tourney.  Central beats BV and then the next game out loses to last place Luther 90-45!!!  You never know what you will find when the two teams step onto the court.  Though I probably wouldn't bet against BV and Loras making it to the final  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 25, 2008, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 25, 2008, 12:11:23 PM
I'm starting to get the feeling I'm the only one around here that doesn't root for Loras or BV.  Guess winning brings more fans out of the woodwork.

Take a look at the football board SK.  Knights and Dutch dominate. 
Fair point, but there's usually a better mix over there.  Sure there are more Wartburg and Central supporters, but most every other school is also represented at one time or another.  When's the last time you saw a Simpson or Luther or Central or Cornell fan make a post over here?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 02:18:56 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 25, 2008, 02:01:10 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 12:30:02 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 25, 2008, 12:11:23 PM
I'm starting to get the feeling I'm the only one around here that doesn't root for Loras or BV.  Guess winning brings more fans out of the woodwork.

Take a look at the football board SK.  Knights and Dutch dominate. 
Fair point, but there's usually a better mix over there.  Sure there are more Wartburg and Central supporters, but most every other school is also represented at one time or another.  When's the last time you saw a Simpson or Luther or Central or Cornell fan make a post over here?

Fair point right back to you sir  8)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2008, 02:36:02 PM
Do you think the popularity of basketball in general is declining?  It's hard for me to have a good read on this other than looking at attendance reports from IIAC schools.  When I was in school in the late 80's to early 90's most schools packed their gyms for basketball and now when I look at attendence reports a typical IIAC crowd is around 800 it seems.  It's almost like football and basketball have switched places as far as fan following in the IIAC.  While I was at Dubuque the only school that I remember bringing a fan following to football games was Central and now it seems most schools travel well.  I know with winter weather you won't necessarily get traveling fans but it did seem in the past the home students would help fill up the gyms for basketball.  I don't see that happening now unless their team is doing well.  And if their team isn't doing well there is an apathy towards them.  I was thinking when I found this board that the football part of here would be busy during the season and then everyone would migrate over to the basketball part during basketball season but I am seeing that really isn't the case. 

Just curious what your opinions are. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on February 25, 2008, 02:49:13 PM
Quote from: B.Ver on February 23, 2008, 10:35:21 PM
I concur the BEST D3 game I have ever witnessed! Can't wait tell next saterday to see it again.
Don't know how you can saythis with confidence considering that Central just beat BV, and then Luther beats Central by 40+.  This conference is in anyones hands.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 25, 2008, 03:18:38 PM
Good point, doolittle.

I think there are 3 main things that are probably factoring into the perceived drop in attendance.

1.  Winning cures everything.  Loras and BV are probably getting the best crowds in the league right now.  A couple years ago, there was nary a game that Wartburg didn't pack the fans in.  Wartburg @ Loras in '05 was the fullest I'd ever seen the old Fieldhouse, but both teams were in the running for a league title.  3 years earlier, when Wartburg was good and Loras was middle of the road at best, seats were much easier to come by.

2.  The move away from the Friday/Saturday schedule.  I sometimes feel like I'm beating a dead horse when I talk about this, but let's face facts:  it is a lot easier for people to attend games on Fridays and Saturdays.  Tuesday night conflicts with high school games (as do Fridays to a certain extent), Wednesday is church night, Thursday creates conflicts with other IIAC sports (that's when a lot of wrestling meets are).

3.  There are so many other options out there now.  In the 80s and early 90s, most people did not yet have a cable or satellite subscription that brought hundreds of basketball games per week into their homes.  I had this conversation with a longtime Wartburg fan a couple years ago.  He said that when he was growing up in Waverly in the late 60s and 70s, Wartburg basketball was much more popular to the people of Waverly and the surrounding towns than Iowa or Iowa State.  But with the expansion of TV networks and the internet, there's a lot less of a draw now.  Think about it this way:  You are a basketball fan without a connection to a particular IIAC team and you have 3 options:  You can do nothing on a Saturday night, you can drive 20 minutes (or less) to the nearest IIAC school and watch some ball, or you can stay home and watch the best DI teams on TV.  In order, you're going to pick #3, then #2, then #1.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2008, 03:42:48 PM
I had forgotten they played friday/saturday back then.  Certainly easier for people with jobs to make friday/saturday games and if memory serves me right the saturday games were night games and not 4pm starts.  And easier for college kids to start their night out at the game before heading out to do other things.  And I also should say with my old memory that Dubuque and Wartburg were the top schools while I was there so that would make sense they had rowdy crowds along with Loras being a rivalry game that would have been easy to fill out both gyms.  I don't remember how good Luther was back then but they usually had pretty good crowds.  Like you say, without as many people having cable or satellite going to the local IIAC game might have been a more attractive option back then...along with a winning team. 

Another thing was there wasn't indoor track back then.  While we were at the Wartburg game this weekend there was also a track meet going on in the same building that took a few fans away from basketball.  Me being the old man I am now it took me awhile to figure out the WTF on the track athletes jackets stood for Wartburg Track and Field and not something else with a dirty meaning  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 25, 2008, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 25, 2008, 03:18:38 PM
Good point, doolittle.

I think there are 3 main things that are probably factoring into the perceived drop in attendance.


2.  The move away from the Friday/Saturday schedule.  I sometimes feel like I'm beating a dead horse when I talk about this, but let's face facts:  it is a lot easier for people to attend games on Fridays and Saturdays.  Tuesday night conflicts with high school games (as do Fridays to a certain extent), Wednesday is church night, Thursday creates conflicts with other IIAC sports (that's when a lot of wrestling meets are).



I HATE THE SCHEDULE...before it changed, there were 10-15 UD alumni who would make the trip from Chicago and the burbs for the 2 Lorass-UD games..now...no way in hell, especially in the winter..I have no idea why they did that. How does that affect the BV trip for schools like UD, Lorass, etc? Do they stay overnight and miss 2 days of class?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 05:04:00 PM
Quote from: keith45 on February 25, 2008, 04:14:14 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 25, 2008, 03:18:38 PM
Good point, doolittle.

I think there are 3 main things that are probably factoring into the perceived drop in attendance.


2.  The move away from the Friday/Saturday schedule.  I sometimes feel like I'm beating a dead horse when I talk about this, but let's face facts:  it is a lot easier for people to attend games on Fridays and Saturdays.  Tuesday night conflicts with high school games (as do Fridays to a certain extent), Wednesday is church night, Thursday creates conflicts with other IIAC sports (that's when a lot of wrestling meets are).



I HATE THE SCHEDULE...before it changed, there were 10-15 UD alumni who would make the trip from Chicago and the burbs for the 2 Lorass-UD games..now...no way in hell, especially in the winter..I have no idea why they did that. How does that affect the BV trip for schools like UD, Lorass, etc? Do they stay overnight and miss 2 days of class?

The men and women are bussed over in the day time and turn right back around and head back after the game.  It makes for some late nights and early mornings.  I did not play bball but I knew many who did. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 25, 2008, 06:06:27 PM
Some tough road trips over to Storm Lake for everyone in the league, I understand, but it makes you wonder how BV has been able to overcome a long road trip nearly every game!

Congrats to BV on the league crown.  From an entertainment standpoint, I hope Loras and BV are able to meet in a re-match Saturday night.  However as a Beaver fan, it'll be a challenge to beat a quality team like Loras for a third straight time, so I'll be rooting for someone to knock off Loras and hopefully BV can take care of business on their end.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Piano Man on February 25, 2008, 06:34:35 PM
well if you're hoping for somebody to knock off loras, i know who it will be. it's going to be the coe college kohawks. they'll take care of cornell tomorrow night, then loras and then move right on down into storm lake and take care of the beavers, just like they did earlier this year.

another thing, i read the negative feedback on the coe college student announcers. all i have to say is hey, if i wanted to fall asleep during a broadcast, i'd listen to any other school in iiac's commentators. these two young men not only give you updates on scores and keep you into the game, but they also make the listening very entertaining. they have a true passion for the kohawks which shines throughout their broadcast...i also know, for a fact, that one of them loves meatloaf, which automatically makes him alright in my book.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 25, 2008, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: The Piano Man on February 25, 2008, 06:34:35 PM
well if you're hoping for somebody to knock off loras, i know who it will be. it's going to be the coe college kohawks. they'll take care of cornell tomorrow night, then loras and then move right on down into storm lake and take care of the beavers, just like they did earlier this year.

another thing, i read the negative feedback on the coe college student announcers. all i have to say is hey, if i wanted to fall asleep during a broadcast, i'd listen to any other school in iiac's commentators. these two young men not only give you updates on scores and keep you into the game, but they also make the listening very entertaining. they have a true passion for the kohawks which shines throughout their broadcast...i also know, for a fact, that one of them loves meatloaf, which automatically makes him alright in my book.

Hahaha...if I were a betting man, I'd guess you were one of those announcers and took a little offense to that. But that's okay...you're just a student announcer and we should all be open to criticism in order to get better. By the way, I haven't heard much negative feedback towards the Loras announcers, so they must be doing a pretty fair job to this point.

And, FYI, the only Coe team that has a chance to make it to the NCAA tournament by running the table from here on out is the women's team who hung with Simpson the whole way last Wednesday night. On the men's side, the Coe men cannot simply not measure up to the size that the Loras guards bring to the table. Kuenstling can only do so much and even he can't stop White and Slater. Look at the box scores from the first two meetings. The only thing that will keep the Kohawks in it will be its ability to shoot from the outside. Would have been more than an 8 point win at Eby had the Duhawks shot better from the FT line.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on February 25, 2008, 08:13:31 PM
Tough loss for the Duhwaks on Sat. it would have been nice to have the rematch at the AWC in front of the home fans.  As others have said, though, I would bet the BV coaches and players are a little uneasy about the prospects of beating Loras three times(especially twice in one week), an extrememly tough task for two pretty evenly matched teams. By no means is that guaranteed though with a couple of unpredictable games for both Loras and BV before that.

If there is a rematch, I'm predicting Kolze to have a big night. Nothing like shutting someone down twice to relax and have him go off for 20.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Piano Man on February 25, 2008, 08:17:02 PM
i'd like to first make it known that i am not one of the announcers, scout's honor...you make a good point about the free-throw shooting of the duhawks that game, but the kohawks were even worse...i've been watching games here for almost four years and that's the worst i've ever seen the kohawks play. if kuenstling stays out of foul trouble, the kohawks should have no problem with this one.
another thing, the kohawks have multiple weapons from the outside including brungard who is a senior and has ice in his veins. parent, stanfield, and hanna as well. one thing the kohawks have is spread-out scoring. you can't cue in on one guy aside from kuenstling who isn't leading the team in scoring by a jaw-dropping amount every game. this game will come down to turnovers and the kohawks learning to deal with the slow-down pace the duhawks put forth every time they face each other.
something to think about...after losing the dominant player in IIAC history, kilburg, the kohawks bounce back with a third place finish in the conference. that's a great story within itself. you have to respect the job juckem has done and the seniors who have led this team through the ups and down of the season.
juckem -- iiac coach of the year
kuenstling -- iiac player of the year
kehe -- iiac rebounder of the year
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 25, 2008, 08:29:48 PM
Quote from: The Piano Man on February 25, 2008, 08:17:02 PM
juckem -- iiac coach of the year
kuenstling -- iiac player of the year

I'm guessing you're joking or are just clueless as to how that actually works.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 08:38:26 PM
Quote from: The Piano Man on February 25, 2008, 06:34:35 PM
well if you're hoping for somebody to knock off loras, i know who it will be. it's going to be the coe college kohawks. they'll take care of cornell tomorrow night, then loras and then move right on down into storm lake and take care of the beavers, just like they did earlier this year.

another thing, i read the negative feedback on the coe college student announcers. all i have to say is hey, if i wanted to fall asleep during a broadcast, i'd listen to any other school in iiac's commentators. these two young men not only give you updates on scores and keep you into the game, but they also make the listening very entertaining. they have a true passion for the kohawks which shines throughout their broadcast...i also know, for a fact, that one of them loves meatloaf, which automatically makes him alright in my book.

Well if you are no the student announcer yourself, then I assume it is your son!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 25, 2008, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: The Piano Man on February 25, 2008, 08:17:02 PM
i'd like to first make it known that i am not one of the announcers, scout's honor...you make a good point about the free-throw shooting of the duhawks that game, but the kohawks were even worse...i've been watching games here for almost four years and that's the worst i've ever seen the kohawks play. if kuenstling stays out of foul trouble, the kohawks should have no problem with this one.
another thing, the kohawks have multiple weapons from the outside including brungard who is a senior and has ice in his veins. parent, stanfield, and hanna as well. one thing the kohawks have is spread-out scoring. you can't cue in on one guy aside from kuenstling who isn't leading the team in scoring by a jaw-dropping amount every game. this game will come down to turnovers and the kohawks learning to deal with the slow-down pace the duhawks put forth every time they face each other.
something to think about...after losing the dominant player in IIAC history, kilburg, the kohawks bounce back with a third place finish in the conference. that's a great story within itself. you have to respect the job juckem has done and the seniors who have led this team through the ups and down of the season.
juckem -- iiac coach of the year
kuenstling -- iiac player of the year
kehe -- iiac rebounder of the year

Oh my, you claim how balanced Coe is and fail to even mention the only team in the IIAC with four guys averaging double figures in the Duhawks. Just wanted to remind you why the Duhawks have been dominant over the Kohawks the last couple years in which they've won the last 5 meetings.

Juckem's a great coach, but he is not deserving of CotY. Your other two awards are rediculous too. I know you're kidding, at least I hope you are. Should be a great battle on Thursday, however, first you should worry about Cornell who can absolutely stroke it from the outside. Once you beat them, then we'll talk some more!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 26, 2008, 12:55:40 AM
Quote from: birds of prey on February 25, 2008, 09:12:03 PM
Quote from: The Piano Man on February 25, 2008, 08:17:02 PM
i'd like to first make it known that i am not one of the announcers, scout's honor...you make a good point about the free-throw shooting of the duhawks that game, but the kohawks were even worse...i've been watching games here for almost four years and that's the worst i've ever seen the kohawks play. if kuenstling stays out of foul trouble, the kohawks should have no problem with this one.
another thing, the kohawks have multiple weapons from the outside including brungard who is a senior and has ice in his veins. parent, stanfield, and hanna as well. one thing the kohawks have is spread-out scoring. you can't cue in on one guy aside from kuenstling who isn't leading the team in scoring by a jaw-dropping amount every game. this game will come down to turnovers and the kohawks learning to deal with the slow-down pace the duhawks put forth every time they face each other.
something to think about...after losing the dominant player in IIAC history, kilburg, the kohawks bounce back with a third place finish in the conference. that's a great story within itself. you have to respect the job juckem has done and the seniors who have led this team through the ups and down of the season.
juckem -- iiac coach of the year
kuenstling -- iiac player of the year
kehe -- iiac rebounder of the year

Oh my, you claim how balanced Coe is and fail to even mention the only team in the IIAC with four guys averaging double figures in the Duhawks. Just wanted to remind you why the Duhawks have been dominant over the Kohawks the last couple years in which they've won the last 5 meetings.

Juckem's a great coach, but he is not deserving of CotY. Your other two awards are rediculous too. I know you're kidding, at least I hope you are. Should be a great battle on Thursday, however, first you should worry about Cornell who can absolutely stroke it from the outside. Once you beat them, then we'll talk some more!

I'll argue a few things in your post here, but I do think the Duhawks will play a great game against the Kohawks on Thursday night.

1.  Loras having four players that average double figures is just amazing.  Honestly, that is not an easy feat.

2. I don't think Loras has dominated Coe the past five years.  This year alone, Coe led the first 37 minutes of the game in Dubuque and the one in CR was close the whole way.

3.  Juckem probably won't win coach of the year for finishing third, nor do I think he should.  To say that Kyle Kuenstling shouldn't be considered and have a chance for Player of the Year is just stupid.  In conference play, he ranks 4th in scoring at 15.6 points, 4th in Rebounding at 7.0, 6th in FG% at 52.8, 4th in Assists at 3.19, 7th in Blocked Shots at 0.79 and 4th in Assist/Turnover Ratio at 1.06.  Those numbers should put him up for consideration I would think.

4. Coe-Cornell games are usually pretty tough, but the Kohawks have now won 10 in a row against the "rival" from Cornell.  I'm thinking win #11 in a row tomorrow night.

-GO Kohawks!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2008, 01:30:06 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on February 25, 2008, 11:31:40 AM
Thanks for seeing where I'm coming from. As for Kolze, he's 100 percent. Hasn't shown ill effects of that ankle in quite some time. BV must just have his number.

I look forward to the rematch this Saturday. Cross your fingers nothing gets in the way of that. lol.

Well in all reality I hope that something does get in the way of that.  Beating a team 3 times in one season is very VERY hard. 

Ah, yes, the old "it's tough to beat a team three times" cliche. Believe me, this is one cliche that is not supported by either logic or evidence.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 26, 2008, 02:06:54 AM
Here are the Top 5 leaders in the key stat categories:

SCORING
1.White, Kyle-LOR          17.9
2.Daugherty, Tyler-DBQ 17.1
3.LaDew, Griffin-COR     16.4
4.Kuenstling, Kyle-COE  15.6
5.Wagner, Andre-BVU    15.6

REB
1.Ruckebeil, Zac-LUT       8.6
2.White, Kyle-LOR.          8.5
3.Dunlavy, Tim-SIM         7.3
4.Kuenstling, Kyle-COE   7.0
5.Daugherty, Tyler-DBQ  6.4

FG %
1.Pedersen, Keith-CEN   .639
2.Schmitt, Brad-WAR      .569
3.White, Kyle-LOR          .557
4.Stribe, Kyle-BVU          .549
5.Fogleman, Brian-BVU  .529

The players in bold are in 2 or more of these categories. After looking at these stats I believe that Kyle White should repeat as player of the year in IIAC.

My top 5 (and wagner and white are very close):

1.Kyle White
1.Andre Wagner
3.Tyler Daugherty
4.Kyle Kuenstling
5. Griffin LaDew

If there is a possibility of co-MVP I would give it to both White and Wagner, after seeing both play, they are incredible at their positions. Top notch players.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 26, 2008, 05:46:28 AM
Is there anywhere to watch tonights games?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 26, 2008, 07:55:41 AM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 26, 2008, 05:46:28 AM
Is there anywhere to watch tonights games?

Besides the home teams gyms???   ;D

I just had to do that.  I haven't heard of any video steaming as of yet.

Hey Loras fans...don't be afraid of posting on this sites football board like you do on the basketball board.  Last year Loras was the only school that didn't have anybody posting.  It doesn't matter that the Loras football team isn't as good as the football team.  Your input on your school is always appreciated. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 26, 2008, 09:18:26 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 26, 2008, 07:55:41 AM

Hey Loras fans...don't be afraid of posting on this sites football board like you do on the basketball board.  Last year Loras was the only school that didn't have anybody posting.  It doesn't matter that the Loras football team isn't as good as the football team.  Your input on your school is always appreciated. 

Well, if you look at how many posts and how long most Loras posters have been members, many of us just got involved in the d3sports' message boards.  I'm sure once fall rolls around we'll have a little more to say.  Although, I can't promise it will be nearly as much.  haha
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 26, 2008, 09:23:50 AM
Quote from: birds of prey on February 25, 2008, 09:12:03 PM
Oh my, you claim how balanced Coe is and fail to even mention the only team in the IIAC with four guys averaging double figures in the Duhawks. Just wanted to remind you why the Duhawks have been dominant over the Kohawks the last couple years in which they've won the last 5 meetings.

uckem's a great coach, but he is not deserving of CotY. Your other two awards are rediculous too. I know you're kidding, at least I hope you are. Should be a great battle on Thursday, however, first you should worry about Cornell who can absolutely stroke it from the outside. Once you beat them, then we'll talk some more!
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I'll argue a few things in your post here, but I do think the Duhawks will play a great game against the Kohawks on Thursday night.

1.  Loras having four players that average double figures is just amazing.  Honestly, that is not an easy feat.

2. I don't think Loras has dominated Coe the past five years.  This year alone, Coe led the first 37 minutes of the game in Dubuque and the one in CR was close the whole way.

3.  Juckem probably won't win coach of the year for finishing third, nor do I think he should.  To say that Kyle Kuenstling shouldn't be considered and have a chance for Player of the Year is just stupid.  In conference play, he ranks 4th in scoring at 15.6 points, 4th in Rebounding at 7.0, 6th in FG% at 52.8, 4th in Assists at 3.19, 7th in Blocked Shots at 0.79 and 4th in Assist/Turnover Ratio at 1.06.  Those numbers should put him up for consideration I would think.

4. Coe-Cornell games are usually pretty tough, but the Kohawks have now won 10 in a row against the "rival" from Cornell.  I'm thinking win #11 in a row tomorrow night.

-GO Kohawks!!!
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I said the Duhawks have won the past 5 meetings, not dominated the last five years, but how much more dominating can it get with 5 straight wins...how bout #6? And Cornell will give the Kohawks a good run tonight, you can count on that!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2008, 01:30:06 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on February 25, 2008, 11:31:40 AM
Thanks for seeing where I'm coming from. As for Kolze, he's 100 percent. Hasn't shown ill effects of that ankle in quite some time. BV must just have his number.

I look forward to the rematch this Saturday. Cross your fingers nothing gets in the way of that. lol.



Well in all reality I hope that something does get in the way of that.  Beating a team 3 times in one season is very VERY hard. 

Ah, yes, the old "it's tough to beat a team three times" cliche. Believe me, this is one cliche that is not supported by either logic or evidence.


I'm a roast, baste me.  Show me how this logic does not work. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 26, 2008, 10:38:17 AM
I can give a high school example from this year.  Spirit Lake girls beat Spencer twice in close games and Spencer got the best of them at districts.  Same thing in the guys but vice versa and not quite as close of games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 26, 2008, 12:12:00 PM
So ... with the conversation about how hard it is to beat a team three times in one season ... UD beats Central, then beats BV on the road ... and then beats Loras in their house.

A guy can dream can't he ... even if he isn't from Coe?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 26, 2008, 04:04:32 PM
Predictions for Tonight's Games:

Coe by 16 over Cornell
Central by 3 over Dubuque in Overtime
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 26, 2008, 05:24:34 PM
Cornell will show off their 3 point shooting with LaDew leaving it all on the court:

Cornel by 9 over Coe

UD's Daugherty and Blum make it rain from 3:

UD by 15 over Central
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on February 26, 2008, 06:49:23 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 25, 2008, 12:33:11 PM
Quote from: birds of prey on February 25, 2008, 11:31:40 AM
Thanks for seeing where I'm coming from. As for Kolze, he's 100 percent. Hasn't shown ill effects of that ankle in quite some time. BV must just have his number.

I look forward to the rematch this Saturday. Cross your fingers nothing gets in the way of that. lol.

Well in all reality I hope that something does get in the way of that.  Beating a team 3 times in one season is very VERY hard. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on February 26, 2008, 07:00:13 PM
I am tired of this crap "that is so tough to beat a team three times".I guess your saying B.V. is rooting  for Central (who they lost to) over Dubuque (who they handled quit easy twice)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 26, 2008, 07:00:52 PM
I'll take Coe by 8 and Dubuque by 6.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 26, 2008, 08:07:45 PM
no i think we are all just talking about loras because both teams are so evenly matched.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: B.Ver on February 26, 2008, 07:00:13 PM
I am tired of this crap "that is so tough to beat a team three times".I guess your saying B.V. is rooting  for Central (who they lost to) over Dubuque (who they handled quit easy twice)

Thats not what anyone, or myself is saying at all. 

I was merely stating that I hope Loras gets bounced out of the tournament and BV makes the finals.  Playing a team for a 3rd time in a year and beating them is a very difficult.  As far as I am concerned its is one of the toughest things to do in sports. 

Your opponent has two games from the same season to study.  You beat a team twice in the last 2 mintues of each game.  All of that said, it means you are looking at another nail biting, gut wrenching game. 

What is the source of your frustation?  Did Jane burn the chicken paties in the survery tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 08:38:47 PM
I will take Coe by 1 and Central by 5
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 26, 2008, 08:40:12 PM
Central is up at half 38-29 over Dubuque
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 26, 2008, 09:00:04 PM
Central and Dubuque tied at 40 five minutes into the 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 26, 2008, 09:11:21 PM
Dubuque up 55-46 over Central 10 minutes left
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 26, 2008, 09:22:33 PM
Dubuque leading Central 68-53 with 5 minutes left in the 2nd half.

Tyler Daugherty with 30 points so far. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2008, 09:26:34 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: B.Ver on February 26, 2008, 07:00:13 PM
I am tired of this crap "that is so tough to beat a team three times".I guess your saying B.V. is rooting  for Central (who they lost to) over Dubuque (who they handled quit easy twice)

Thats not what anyone, or myself is saying at all. 

I was merely stating that I hope Loras gets bounced out of the tournament and BV makes the finals.  Playing a team for a 3rd time in a year and beating them is a very difficult.  As far as I am concerned its is one of the toughest things to do in sports.

No, it isn't. I've been having this debate with some of the MIAA folks in their room, so I'll be repeating myself over here. But I don't mind. I don't have much to do tonight, anyway. ;)

Here's why that "it's tough to beat a team three times" platitude is false:

If Team A beats Team B, then that outcome may or may not establish that Team A is better than Team B. Yes, Team A won that game, but there may have been mitigating circumstances (injuries, illnesses, a lucky bounce in a close game, homecourt advantage, etc.) that affected the outcome. Dominance may have been established (more likely if it was a blowout), or it may not have (more likely if it was a close game).

However, if Team A then beats Team B a second time, then the possibility that there were mitigating circumstances in both games decreases. The likelihood that Team A is simply better than Team B increases. In other words, if you beat a team twice in two matchups rather than once in one matchup, chances are greater that your team is better.

Given that, how could a third contest contravene what has been established after two matches? In other words, how does it become more likely that Team B can beat Team A after having lost to it twice already than it would be for Team B to beat Team A after having only lost to it once? Answer: It doesn't. The more that you beat a team, the more likely it is that you're simply better than that other team.

Not all outcomes are equal in basketball, of course, which leads to the second point: Buena Vista only beat Loras by two and by one this season, outcomes so narrow that a lucky bounce or a bad call could easily have determined both games. In other words, Buena Vista's established dominance over Loras is still, to some degree, an open question. But this is one highly specific instance. You can't translate this particular home-and-home series into a general rule, Klopenheimer. The burden of proof is upon the person using the "it's tough to beat a team three times" platitude. In order for it to contain any truth, it has to be universally applied. In other words, it has to hold just as true for Buena Vista having difficulty beating Luther a third time as it does for Buena Vista beating Loras a third time, because the whole idea behind a cliche is that it transcends particularities.

As to to the reasoning behind the platitude that you offer:

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 08:38:10 PMYour opponent has two games from the same season to study.  You beat a team twice in the last 2 mintues of each game.  All of that said, it means you are looking at another nail biting, gut wrenching game.

The adjustments rationale doesn't really hold water, because both teams can make adjustments in between games two and three. In other words, Bryan Van Haaften and his players are just as capable of fine-tuning their approach to Loras before Game Three as Greg Gorton and his players are capable of fine-tuning their approach to the Beavers. As for the second part of your rationale, I've addressed that above.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 26, 2008, 09:47:18 PM
Dubuque wins 91-82 over Central

Next up Dubuque plays at BV on Thursday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: the_apprentice on February 26, 2008, 09:48:50 PM
My head hurts from all this thinking.  

The point of my original comment is that with two tough close losses to BV, both of which could have gone the other with an unlucky bounce or a difficult official's call, Loras could come to Storm Lake next Saturday with a chip on their shoulder and will have no problem getting motivated seeking revenge.  Gorton won't need to pull any cheesy motivational tactics, Loras was already wearing their emotions on their sleeve last Saturday and they certainly have not been dominated by BV this year, its a very even match-up.  BV or any other team would certainly be motivated as well, there is an NCAA bid on the line after all!  Regardless of statistics or theoretical dissertations to prove or dis-prove the idea, you ask most coaches and they'll says its a challenge to beat any team three times in the same year, much less a talented, evenly matched opponent that you've been fortunate to play well against and maybe even get a few lucky bounces up until this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 26, 2008, 10:03:31 PM
Coe up 4 at the half, 35-31.

Congrats to Dubuque for advancing.  Good news: You advance.  Bad news: You have to get on a bus and head to Storm Lake.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 10:26:15 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2008, 09:26:34 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: B.Ver on February 26, 2008, 07:00:13 PM
I am tired of this crap "that is so tough to beat a team three times".I guess your saying B.V. is rooting  for Central (who they lost to) over Dubuque (who they handled quit easy twice)

Thats not what anyone, or myself is saying at all. 

I was merely stating that I hope Loras gets bounced out of the tournament and BV makes the finals.  Playing a team for a 3rd time in a year and beating them is a very difficult.  As far as I am concerned its is one of the toughest things to do in sports.

No, it isn't. I've been having this debate with some of the MIAA folks in their room, so I'll be repeating myself over here. But I don't mind. I don't have much to do tonight, anyway. ;)

Here's why that "it's tough to beat a team three times" platitude is false:

If Team A beats Team B, then that outcome may or may not establish that Team A is better than Team B. Yes, Team A won that game, but there may have been mitigating circumstances (injuries, illnesses, a lucky bounce in a close game, homecourt advantage, etc.) that affected the outcome. Dominance may have been established (more likely if it was a blowout), or it may not have (more likely if it was a close game).

However, if Team A then beats Team B a second time, then the possibility that there were mitigating circumstances in both games decreases. The likelihood that Team A is simply better than Team B increases. In other words, if you beat a team twice in two matchups rather than once in one matchup, chances are greater that your team is better.

Given that, how could a third contest contravene what has been established after two matches? In other words, how does it become more likely that Team B can beat Team A after having lost to it twice already than it would be for Team B to beat Team A after having only lost to it once? Answer: It doesn't. The more that you beat a team, the more likely it is that you're simply better than that other team.

Not all outcomes are equal in basketball, of course, which leads to the second point: Buena Vista only beat Loras by two and by one this season, outcomes so narrow that a lucky bounce or a bad call could easily have determined both games. In other words, Buena Vista's established dominance over Loras is still, to some degree, an open question. But this is one highly specific instance. You can't translate this particular home-and-home series into a general rule, Klopenheimer. The burden of proof is upon the person using the "it's tough to beat a team three times" platitude. In order for it to contain any truth, it has to be universally applied. In other words, it has to hold just as true for Buena Vista having difficulty beating Luther a third time as it does for Buena Vista beating Loras a third time, because the whole idea behind a cliche is that it transcends particularities.

As to to the reasoning behind the platitude that you offer:

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 08:38:10 PMYour opponent has two games from the same season to study.  You beat a team twice in the last 2 mintues of each game.  All of that said, it means you are looking at another nail biting, gut wrenching game.

The adjustments rationale doesn't really hold water, because both teams can make adjustments in between games two and three. In other words, Bryan Van Haaften and his players are just as capable of fine-tuning their approach to Loras before Game Three as Greg Gorton and his players are capable of fine-tuning their approach to the Beavers. As for the second part of your rationale, I've addressed that above.

Greg,

I totally agree with what you are saying.  I think everything you said, is very true and very correct.  I should have stated that I was speaking from personal experience and was not speaking from an abstract theory. 

Your theory is no different than A=B, B=C, then A=C.  This is totally logic based and that can be proved with numbers.  The hole in your theory is that a lot times in my personal experience your theory is proven wrong.  Wheather it is mental, illness, or injury.  Whatever the case is, I have found as a former athlete, and scpectator the 3rd time you play in the same season, the ball isnt always bouncing your way. 

Lets face it, the ball bounced BV's way twice already this season.  What are the odds that Loras will get called for 5 more fouls than BV the next time, what are the odds that BV will have 3 starters fould out with 5 minutes left in the game, what are the odds that VH will get T'ed up and booted with 25 minutes left to play.  These are all things that can happen to influence the overall end result of the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 10:42:26 PM
Greg,

So I went back and took a look at recent BV basketball history.  I took at the last 5 years worth of games that BV has played. 

2006/2007
BV and Loras Played (3) times
-Loras won 2 out of 3

2005/2006
BV played Wartburg and Coe (3) times
-BV won 2 out of 3 against Coe
-BV won 2 out of 3 against Wartburg

2004/2005
BV and Wartburg played (3) times
-BV won 2 out of 3

2003/2004
BV played Coe (3) times
-BV won 2 out of 3

2002/2003
BV played Wartburg (3) times
-BV won 2 out of 3 times

In this same 5 year span BV did beat Coe 3 times in one year, and they did beat Loras 3 times in one year.  So this can be done.  The only point that I was trying to make was that this is a difficult feat, and if I was a player, I would not want to face the same team 3 years in a row. 

I think your ideas in theory are very good.  I am looking for evidence to support a theory, and thus make it a law.  BV's results can not make this theory a law.  Other schools might, and I would welcome the review of their results. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2008, 10:46:12 PM
Quote from: the_apprentice on February 26, 2008, 09:48:50 PM
My head hurts from all this thinking. 

The point of my original comment is that with two tough close losses to BV, both of which could have gone the other with an unlucky bounce or a difficult official's call, Loras could come to Storm Lake next Saturday with a chip on their shoulder and will have no problem getting motivated seeking revenge.  Gorton won't need to pull any cheesy motivational tactics, Loras was already wearing their emotions on their sleeve last Saturday and they certainly have not been dominated by BV this year, its a very even match-up.  BV or any other team would certainly be motivated as well, there is an NCAA bid on the line after all!  Regardless of statistics or theoretical dissertations to prove or dis-prove the idea, you ask most coaches and they'll says its a challenge to beat any team three times in the same year, much less a talented, evenly matched opponent that you've been fortunate to play well against and maybe even get a few lucky bounces up until this point.

You're citing coachspeak as a reason why the "hard to beat a team three times" platitude is true? Puh-leeze. Talking up an opponent is what coaches are supposed to do. Every coach's nightmare is that: a) his team will not take an opponent seriously; b) he'll unwittingly give an opponent bulletin-board material by taking that opponent too lightly when speaking to the media; or c) both.

Coachspeak has no bearing upon this discussion whatsoever.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 10:26:15 PMYour theory is no different than A=B, B=C, then A=C.  This is totally logic based and that can be proved with numbers.  The hole in your theory is that a lot times in my personal experience your theory is proven wrong.  Wheather it is mental, illness, injury, psychological.  Whatever the case is, I have found as a former athlete, and scpectator the 3 time you play in the same season, the ball isnt always bouncing your way.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data", Klopenheimer. Your particular nervousness when facing an opponent for the third time after having beaten them twice does not contravene what I've said above. There are any number of players who've been on the losing side twice who would have been intimidated at the prospect of having to face that team a third time -- whether they admit to it or not -- and any number of players who would say that having beaten a team twice already gives them an added fillip of confidence when they face that team a third time.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 10:26:15 PMLets face it, the ball bounced BV's way twice already this season.  What are the odds that Loras will get called for 5 more fouls than BV the next time, what are the odds that BV will have 3 starters fould out with 5 minutes left in the game, what are the odds that VH will get T'ed up and booted with 25 minutes left to play.  These are all things that can happen to influence the overall end result of the game.

Again, the specific instance of this season's home-and-home series between Buena Vista and Loras doesn't obviate the fact that the "it's tough to beat a team three times" general platitude is a whole lot of hooey.

As to your stated examples, the platitude is only ever cited when Team A has already beaten Team B twice before the third contest. Your examples do not indicate whether that was the case in those instances. Also, you're only citing examples that involve the top teams in the IIAC, which would naturally tend to lean closer to this year's Buena Vista and Loras scenario than normal. As I keep saying, if the platitude was true, it would be true in all instances. In other words, it would hold as true if Buena Vista and Luther, or Buena Vista and Simpson, were to meet a third time this season as it would for that third Buena Vista vs. Loras game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 10:51:03 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2008, 10:46:12 PM
Quote from: the_apprentice on February 26, 2008, 09:48:50 PM
My head hurts from all this thinking. 

The point of my original comment is that with two tough close losses to BV, both of which could have gone the other with an unlucky bounce or a difficult official's call, Loras could come to Storm Lake next Saturday with a chip on their shoulder and will have no problem getting motivated seeking revenge.  Gorton won't need to pull any cheesy motivational tactics, Loras was already wearing their emotions on their sleeve last Saturday and they certainly have not been dominated by BV this year, its a very even match-up.  BV or any other team would certainly be motivated as well, there is an NCAA bid on the line after all!  Regardless of statistics or theoretical dissertations to prove or dis-prove the idea, you ask most coaches and they'll says its a challenge to beat any team three times in the same year, much less a talented, evenly matched opponent that you've been fortunate to play well against and maybe even get a few lucky bounces up until this point.

You're citing coachspeak as a reason why the "hard to beat a team three times" platitude is true? Puh-leeze. Talking up an opponent is what coaches are supposed to do. Every coach's nightmare is that: a) his team will not take an opponent seriously; b) he'll unwittingly give an opponent bulletin-board material by taking that opponent too lightly when speaking to the media; or c) both.

Coachspeak has no bearing upon this discussion whatsoever.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 10:26:15 PMYour theory is no different than A=B, B=C, then A=C.  This is totally logic based and that can be proved with numbers.  The hole in your theory is that a lot times in my personal experience your theory is proven wrong.  Wheather it is mental, illness, injury, psychological.  Whatever the case is, I have found as a former athlete, and scpectator the 3 time you play in the same season, the ball isnt always bouncing your way.

The plural of "anecdote" is not "data", Klopenheimer. Your particular nervousness when facing an opponent for the third time after having beaten them twice does not contravene what I've said above. There are any number of players who've been on the losing side twice who would have been intimidated at the prospect of having to face that team a third time -- whether they admit to it or not -- and any number of players who would say that having beaten a team twice already gives them an added fillip of confidence when they face that team a third time.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 10:26:15 PMLets face it, the ball bounced BV's way twice already this season.  What are the odds that Loras will get called for 5 more fouls than BV the next time, what are the odds that BV will have 3 starters fould out with 5 minutes left in the game, what are the odds that VH will get T'ed up and booted with 25 minutes left to play.  These are all things that can happen to influence the overall end result of the game.

Again, the specific instance of this season's home-and-home series between Buena Vista and Loras doesn't obviate the fact that the "it's tough to beat a team three times" general platitude is a whole lot of hooey.

As to your stated examples, the platitude is only ever cited when Team A has already beaten Team B twice before the third contest. Your examples do not indicate whether that was the case in those instances. Also, you're only citing examples that involve the top teams in the IIAC, which would naturally tend to lean closer to this year's Buena Vista and Loras scenario than normal. As I keep saying, if the platitude was true, it would be true in all instances. In other words, it would hold as true if Buena Vista and Luther, or Buena Vista and Simpson, were to meet a third time this season as it would for that third Buena Vista vs. Loras game.

Greg,

I stepped off my lecturn and brougn evidence to into the equation, I am asking you to do the same.  See my last post. 

Klop. 

Klop.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 26, 2008, 10:51:35 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 26, 2008, 10:42:26 PM
Greg,

So I went back and took a look at recent BV basketball history.  I took at the last 5 years worth of games that BV has played. 

2006/2007
BV and Loras Played (3) times
-Loras won 2 out of 3

2005/2006
BV played Wartburg and Coe (3) times
-BV won 2 out of 3 against Coe
-BV won 2 out of 3 against Wartburg

2004/2005
BV and Wartburg played (3) times
-BV won 2 out of 3

2003/2004
BV played Coe (3) times
-BV won 2 out of 3

2002/2003
BV played Wartburg (3) times
-BV won 2 out of 3 times

In this same 5 year span BV did beat Coe 3 times in one year, and they did beat Loras 3 times in one year.  So this can be done.  The only point that I was trying to make was that this is a difficult feat, and if I was a player, I would not want to face the same team 3 years in a row. 

I think your ideas in theory are very good.  I am looking for evidence to support a theory, and thus make it a law.  BV's results can not make this theory a law.  Other schools might, and I would welcome the review of their results. 

I know for a fact that Loras beat BV 3 times last year...They went 15-1 in the regular season (only loss to Wartburg) and third time came in the IIAC Championship game by 15 points. I just looked at this briefly so I can't comment on the other 3 game series you mentioned that BV played in.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 26, 2008, 11:06:17 PM
Klop, but you didn't bring "evidence" into the discussion until you answer Greg's question: in these 2 out of 3 series you mention, was the THIRD game the one that the 'underdog' won?  If they split the conference series, then of course they went 2-1 one way or the other.  How many were 2-0 before the third game?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 26, 2008, 11:09:41 PM
How about we change it and say it's tough to beat a GOOD team 3 times in a season.  Happy?   ;D

In other news, Dubuque and Coe advance, although it took Coe OT...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 26, 2008, 11:20:42 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 26, 2008, 11:09:41 PM
How about we change it and say it's tough to beat a GOOD team 3 times in a season.  Happy?   ;D

Unless A. you're a BETTER team, or B. you play them 10 times! ;D

Greg and I simply take exception to a tired coachspeak/sportscaster cliche, which is both illogical AND refuted by the historical record. 

WARNING: If Greg gets any more provocation, he may even put this above his preseason/nonconference obsession! :o ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 27, 2008, 12:16:05 AM
Cornell gave Coe all it wanted tonight. Clutch threes by Kevin Dux and Brian Brungard in OT. On to Loras with a ton of senior pride on the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCfan on February 27, 2008, 01:09:02 AM
As a former CCIW football player and brother of a current Duhawk.....I wanted to inform the other CCIW posters that in fact not one time in the examples provided was a team 2-0 going into the third game.  And I am also tired of all the cliches in sports.  That being said, I would agree that with both the games being within 2 points it is not a forgone conclusion on who is the better team for reasons stated by Dr. Sager.  Should be a good game if they meet again.

How isnt White the player of the year again.  I know it typically goes to the conference winner but when BV does line changes, that affects any guy from their team from putting up the numbers needed to win MOP.  Leading the conference in points and second in rebounds by one or two rebounds.  Ha you might be able to tell whos brother I am....lol. 

Go Duhawks
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 27, 2008, 01:29:01 AM
Quote from: LCfan on February 27, 2008, 01:09:02 AM
As a former CCIW football player and brother of a current Duhawk.....I wanted to inform the other CCIW posters that in fact not one time in the examples provided was a team 2-0 going into the third game.  And I am also tired of all the cliches in sports.  That being said, I would agree that with both the games being within 2 points it is not a forgone conclusion on who is the better team for reasons stated by Dr. Sager.  Should be a good game if they meet again.

How isnt White the player of the year again.  I know it typically goes to the conference winner but when BV does line changes, that affects any guy from their team from putting up the numbers needed to win MOP.  Leading the conference in points and second in rebounds by one or two rebounds.  Ha you might be able to tell whos brother I am....lol. 

Go Duhawks

He's got my vote!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on February 27, 2008, 06:56:09 AM
It also could be that ifyou lost to a team by one and two points twice you maybe thinking we tried everything we just keep falling short and that will take more out of you than if you lost bad to them.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 27, 2008, 08:34:30 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 26, 2008, 10:03:31 PM
Coe up 4 at the half, 35-31.

Congrats to Dubuque for advancing.  Good news: You advance.  Bad news: You have to get on a bus and head to Storm Lake.

That is why I was sort of hoping Loras would have won the season ending game in Storm Lake.  That way if Dubuque won their first round game they would have had a 4 MINUTE drive over to Loras instead of the 4 HOUR drive it is to Storm Lake.  And I think Dubuque plays Loras closer than BV.  A Loras matchup I think would have been a close game with Loras eventually pulling out the win...Dubuque against BV I don't think will be close.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCfan on February 27, 2008, 11:04:46 AM
BVer.....I would disagree with you in this case.  3 guys fouling out and White fouling out down 1 with over 3 minutes to play, 35 free throws for BV in the last game compared to 10 for Loras. I dont think Loras has done everything possible to win.  Like I said I hope there is a chance for another Loras vs. BV.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseemestill on February 27, 2008, 03:20:53 PM
Griffin LaDew was very good last night in Eby Fieldhouse.  Coe's Hanna (one of if not the best on ball defender in the conference) was in his face on every shot.  I don't remember him making one shot that looked even close to easy.  Coe made 7 less field goals than Cornell, but had a 30-10 advantage in points from the stripe.  Coe was led, once again, by Kyle Kuenstling with 19 pts and 12 boards.  Even more impressive considering Cornell's dramatic size advantage. 

While it will be hard for him to win the MVP, my vote would go to White, I think he is the best all-around player in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 27, 2008, 04:18:35 PM
Big games on Thursday.  I'm taking BV over UD by 12.  The Beavers' guards can keep up with Blum and Daugherty, and their size and ability will kill UD underneath. 

In the other game I'll take Loras over Coe by 5.  Despite getting past the Kohawks a lot lately, Loras has struggled with them on almost every occassion.  I'm sure Kuenstling will give the Duhawks fits and he'll get some help from his Dunkerton teammate Brungard and the rest of the guards.  With that said, I just don't think it will be enough.  The Loras defense is too good to let anyone really go off on them from outside, and White and Slater are too solid on both ends of the court not to counterbalance Kuenstling.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 27, 2008, 05:23:17 PM
I'd like a UD/Loras rematch at the new AWC in Dubuque on saturday but I think Loras will be traveling to Storm Lake for the second time in 1 week.

BV was in this same situation last year.

Loras over Coe by 9 - Loras will come out firing after saturday

BV over UD by 3 - UD guards will keep it close but BV's size will dominate
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 27, 2008, 08:09:49 PM
I didn't realize Dubuque was so under-sized or unskilled in the post?  Of course, I haven't seen them play this year either.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 08:42:10 PM
Ypsi, my research was based off a BV season where they played a team three times.  I was not looking at who had won the first or the second.  I was not divulging that deep into.  I was merely taking this for face value.  Beating a team 3 times in one season is a difficult task, and from MY PERSONAL experiences, is something that I have seen on very rare occasion.  I did not take into consideration who won game one, who was the underdog, and who's mother was in the 4th row with her top off. 

As I have stated twice over now, I did not refute what Greg was saying, I did agree with his logic, I was merely trying to show my logic, wheather you thought it is illogical is for you to decide. 

One thing that has been mentioned time and time again is that you are tried of coachspeak, and sports cliches.  I get tried of a few people who seem to deam themselves and their explanations as "hollier than all".  For all intensive purposes this is a chat room, where ideas are expressed.  You have yours, and I have mine.  This is a great way to share ideas, and learn something new.  This is not a place to give sermon or lecture. 

You both seem to have a very high ideology regarding the game of basketball.  I can respect that.  I hope that you are both putting this to good use, either by coaching, speaking at coaching clinincs, but not speading creamy blather all over internet message boards. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on February 27, 2008, 08:49:05 PM
This is how the last 2 games went for Coe vs Loras

Game 1  Loras wins 72-69 at Loras

2 pt field goal % 45.7 Coe // 57.1 Loras
3 pt field goal % 47.4 Coe //  31.3 Loras
free throw percent 85.7 Coe // 78.6 Loras
bench points  39 Coe // 7 Loras

Score by Periods              1st  2nd   Total
Coe College Kohawks.......37   32  -   69
Loras College.................   29   43  -   72

Coe had a 10 point lead with 5:10 left in the game an blew it!!
A bunch of ill advised shots with the lead, was the major contributor to this loss

Game 2  Loras wins  67-59

2 pt field goal % 38.3 Coe // 56 Loras
3 pt field goal % 28.6 Coe //  18.2 Loras
free throw percent 70 Coe // 47.4 Loras
bench points  20 Coe // 10 Loras

Score by Periods              1st  2nd   Total
Coe College Kohawks.......24   35  -   59
Loras College.................   32   35  -   67

Loras led the entire 2nd half, but only had a 3 point lead with about 11 minutes left.

What stands out here is a couple of things - If I am the Loras brainchild, I would be concerned with the lack of bench scoring and the poor 3 point percentage.  Also if Coe gets to the line on a regular basis, this could be a difference maker in the game.

The Coe coaching staff, has to be concerned with the multiple scoring threats on the floor for Loras.  Its tough to stop everyone.  They need to keep the tempo high and need to score 35-40 points at the half.  If its a slow down game, it could spell disaster for Coe.  They also need leadership on the floor if the game is tight and cannot take ill advised shots if they are up. The "veterans" need to have the ball in their hands down the stretch.

Should be a good one. Coe can win this game and are feeling confident that they can hang in there. All they want is to have a close game with 3 minutes left and anything can happen at the end!

Lets just pray the officials wont be the show Thursday night.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 08:54:04 PM
Klop, I apologize that you were so offended - that was not my intention.

Obviously the ONLY time that the "it's tough to beat a team 3 times" cliche comes into play is if one team won the first two games.  I simply sought to see if your 'evidence' was relevant - it turns out it was not.

No offense intended, but it is still an illogical and historically wrong cliche.  If you are a gambler, if one team has won the first two times BET on them the third time!  You will win far more often than you will lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2008, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 08:42:10 PM
Ypsi, my research was based off a BV season where they played a team three times.  I was not looking at who had won the first or the second.  I was not divulging that deep into.  I was merely taking this for face value.  Beating a team 3 times in one season is a difficult task, and from MY PERSONAL experiences, is something that I have seen on very rare occasion.  I did not take into consideration who won game one, who was the underdog, and who's mother was in the 4th row with her top off. 

As I have stated twice over now, I did not refute what Greg was saying, I did agree with his logic, I was merely trying to show my logic, wheather you thought it is illogical is for you to decide. 

One thing that has been mentioned time and time again is that you are tried of coachspeak, and sports cliches.  I get tried of a few people who seem to deam themselves and their explanations as "hollier than all".  For all intensive purposes this is a chat room, where ideas are expressed.  You have yours, and I have mine.  This is a great way to share ideas, and learn something new.  This is not a place to give sermon or lecture. 

You both seem to have a very high ideology regarding the game of basketball.  I can respect that.  I hope that you are both putting this to good use, either by coaching, speaking at coaching clinincs, but not speading creamy blather all over internet message boards. 

Why are you so defensive? There's nothing "holier than thou" at all about what Mr. Y or I have said. It's a simple, polite Internet debate. For all intents and purposes, it's ultimately of no great import to anyone involved. We chose a factual approach to our argument, and you chose an anecdotal approach. Doing so was strictly your call, not ours.

It's really not that big of a deal. Don't be so thin-skinned.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 27, 2008, 09:15:06 PM
Well, you are showing logic but are you showing facts???  Have you produced scores of third games where a team won the first two and also won the third vs lost the third???  Not that I am seeing.  Klop, Sager and Yipsi could all be right for all we know.  Nobody has really thrown out any data for teams that won twice in a row and then what happened in that third game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 27, 2008, 09:18:29 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 08:42:10 PM
I did not take into consideration who won game one, who was the underdog, and who's mother was in the 4th row with her top off.

The consideration level would probably hinge upon how hot the mother in the 4th row was...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 27, 2008, 09:20:18 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2008, 09:04:26 PM
Don't be so thin-skinned.

Klop eats too much to be thin-skinned, trust me!   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2008, 09:34:55 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 27, 2008, 09:15:06 PM
Well, you are showing logic but are you showing facts???  Have you produced scores of third games where a team won the first two and also won the third vs lost the third???  Not that I am seeing.  Klop, Sager and Yipsi could all be right for all we know.  Nobody has really thrown out any data for teams that won twice in a row and then what happened in that third game. 

There's more to making your argument factual than merely presenting analytical data. There are also the facts presented into evidence that: a) Klop's analytical data were flawed, because they weren't examples of win-win-lose season series; b) the examples cited did not represent a true cross-section of the IIAC, since they did not involve bottom-tier teams; and c) statistically speaking, probability increases with incidence (or however our resident stats prof Mr. Y words the principle that the more something occurs the more likely it is to keep on occurring in the future).

Yeah, I could've added the analytical data, but I really haven't given thought to all the time it would take to marshal enough evidence from various D3 leagues that have eight-team conference tourneys to prove the point empirically. I suppose that if I keep protesting the "it's tough to beat a team three times" platitude in enough conference rooms, I'm going to be stuck with gathering all that data sooner or later whether I really want to or not. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 09:52:24 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 08:54:04 PM
Klop, I apologize that you were so offended - that was not my intention.

Obviously the ONLY time that the "it's tough to beat a team 3 times" cliche comes into play is if one team won the first two games.  I simply sought to see if your 'evidence' was relevant - it turns out it was not.

No offense intended, but it is still an illogical and historically wrong cliche.  If you are a gambler, if one team has won the first two times BET on them the third time!  You will win far more often than you will lose.

You did not offend me what so ever.  If you did offend me I would not have used language like I respect your opinion, and I never refuted. 

I was merely trying to make my point.  I am sorry if I was harsh, I wish for no hard feelings.  I do read a lof of what you write, and it is very insightful. 

So...there is my olive branch
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 09:53:40 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2008, 09:20:18 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2008, 09:04:26 PM
Don't be so thin-skinned.

Klop eats too much to be thin-skinned, trust me!   :D

That is a very good point ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 09:54:17 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 27, 2008, 09:04:26 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 08:42:10 PM
Ypsi, my research was based off a BV season where they played a team three times.  I was not looking at who had won the first or the second.  I was not divulging that deep into.  I was merely taking this for face value.  Beating a team 3 times in one season is a difficult task, and from MY PERSONAL experiences, is something that I have seen on very rare occasion.  I did not take into consideration who won game one, who was the underdog, and who's mother was in the 4th row with her top off. 

As I have stated twice over now, I did not refute what Greg was saying, I did agree with his logic, I was merely trying to show my logic, wheather you thought it is illogical is for you to decide. 

One thing that has been mentioned time and time again is that you are tried of coachspeak, and sports cliches.  I get tried of a few people who seem to deam themselves and their explanations as "hollier than all".  For all intensive purposes this is a chat room, where ideas are expressed.  You have yours, and I have mine.  This is a great way to share ideas, and learn something new.  This is not a place to give sermon or lecture. 

You both seem to have a very high ideology regarding the game of basketball.  I can respect that.  I hope that you are both putting this to good use, either by coaching, speaking at coaching clinincs, but not speading creamy blather all over internet message boards. 

Why are you so defensive? There's nothing "holier than thou" at all about what Mr. Y or I have said. It's a simple, polite Internet debate. For all intents and purposes, it's ultimately of no great import to anyone involved. We chose a factual approach to our argument, and you chose an anecdotal approach. Doing so was strictly your call, not ours.

It's really not that big of a deal. Don't be so thin-skinned.

My olive branch is extended due to my rudeness.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 09:55:41 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2008, 09:18:29 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 08:42:10 PM
I did not take into consideration who won game one, who was the underdog, and who's mother was in the 4th row with her top off.

The consideration level would probably hinge upon how hot the mother in the 4th row was...

All I will say is that she walked in looking like Janet Jackson, and walked out looking like Freddie Jackson. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 09:57:28 PM
Klop, it's all good - and +k to prove it!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 27, 2008, 09:58:22 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2008, 09:57:28 PM
Klop, it's all good - and +k to prove it!

Right back at you
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youcantseemestill on February 28, 2008, 08:57:53 AM
Anyone on here giving UD any shot at BV? 

I am not.  I think the Beavers win by at least 15. 

I might make the trek up to Dubuque to see Loras's new gym.  I am picking Coe in that one for two reasons:
1) Coe is my team
2) It is super hard to beat a team three times in one year (or so I have read)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on February 28, 2008, 09:55:07 AM
I am seeing on the national weather map that IA is going to be hit hard with snow.......is the Coe/Loras game in question for tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 28, 2008, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on February 28, 2008, 09:55:07 AM
I am seeing on the national weather map that IA is going to be hit hard with snow.......is the Coe/Loras game in question for tonight?

I don't think so.  It's tournament time and I'm sure the Kohawks will leave soon enough that they can get the game in.

BV lays the wood to Dubuque tonight, winning by 21

Coe trails most of the game, rallies to send the game to overtime, where Kyle Kuenstling takes over and leads the team to a 1 point win...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 10:30:32 AM
I am just about the biggest Dubuque fan out there and I don't see them beating BV tonight.  I think it's a matchup thing.  Dubuque I think would have played Loras close but I don't see that happening at BV.

Then again BV did lose @ Central and Dubuque beat Central 3 times this year  ;D ;D ;D

Either way I will be listening to the game over the internet tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 28, 2008, 10:39:21 AM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on February 28, 2008, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on February 28, 2008, 09:55:07 AM
I am seeing on the national weather map that IA is going to be hit hard with snow.......is the Coe/Loras game in question for tonight?


BV lays the wood to Dubuque tonight, winning by 21


UD's guards are a handfull..if they get hot, they may be able to force Wagner to shoot more than he wants and get BV into a rushed game...if Tyler and the Loras transfer can hit 3-4 3's each, this might be a game..I'm picking the upset, UD by 6
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: keith45 on February 28, 2008, 10:39:21 AM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on February 28, 2008, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on February 28, 2008, 09:55:07 AM
I am seeing on the national weather map that IA is going to be hit hard with snow.......is the Coe/Loras game in question for tonight?


BV lays the wood to Dubuque tonight, winning by 21


UD's guards are a handfull..if they get hot, they may be able to force Wagner to shoot more than he wants and get BV into a rushed game...if Tyler and the Loras transfer can hit 3-4 3's each, this might be a game..I'm picking the upset, UD by 6

Keith is a bigger fan than me...and that's not just because he is 6'6 and I am 5'6  He actually played the game and can break it down.  Hopefully your prediction comes true for the Spartans tonight.  When I saw them against Wartburg last week they looked much improved over last year.  The Spartan men and women both have 1st year coaches and both improved over last year.  Fun to see. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 28, 2008, 11:04:00 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 10:54:15 AM
Quote from: keith45 on February 28, 2008, 10:39:21 AM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on February 28, 2008, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on February 28, 2008, 09:55:07 AM
I am seeing on the national weather map that IA is going to be hit hard with snow.......is the Coe/Loras game in question for tonight?


BV lays the wood to Dubuque tonight, winning by 21


UD's guards are a handfull..if they get hot, they may be able to force Wagner to shoot more than he wants and get BV into a rushed game...if Tyler and the Loras transfer can hit 3-4 3's each, this might be a game..I'm picking the upset, UD by 6

Keith is a bigger fan than me...and that's not just because he is 6'6 and I am 5'6  He actually played the game and can break it down.  Hopefully your prediction comes true for the Spartans tonight.  When I saw them against Wartburg last week they looked much improved over last year.  The Spartan men and women both have 1st year coaches and both improved over last year.  Fun to see. 


LOL to the 6'6..I was a whopping 6-4 180lbs my college career, but somehow the program said 6'6 200lbs!!

but the flip side is true as well...if those 2 shoot bad or take shots that are not in the flow and miss them, UD loses by 20
The loss of Dre Porter really hurt, I think he hurt his hand..he had 16 against Iowa State, and is an athletic 3 man who would cause BV some fits with his size..
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 11:27:21 AM
The program never lies, Keith...I will say you are 6'4 now because age has worn you down!!!

I think Dre Porter broke his hand.  I heard them say he hurt his hand and was going to try to play through it but that only lasted a game or two before they shut him down for the season.  Too bad because he was a good player and they are playing well right now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 28, 2008, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 11:27:21 AM
The program never lies, Keith...I will say you are 6'4 now because age has worn you down!!!

I think Dre Porter broke his hand.  I heard them say he hurt his hand and was going to try to play through it but that only lasted a game or two before they shut him down for the season.  Too bad because he was a good player and they are playing well right now. 

yeah, that one hurt..he has some talent!
Hey, I tried to add you on myspace, but you have like 18 levels of security on there!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 11:37:08 AM
Quote from: keith45 on February 28, 2008, 11:32:14 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 11:27:21 AM
The program never lies, Keith...I will say you are 6'4 now because age has worn you down!!!

I think Dre Porter broke his hand.  I heard them say he hurt his hand and was going to try to play through it but that only lasted a game or two before they shut him down for the season.  Too bad because he was a good player and they are playing well right now. 

yeah, that one hurt..he has some talent!
Hey, I tried to add you on myspace, but you have like 18 levels of security on there!!

Hmm, I will tell my wife to make it easier...she runs all that!!!  I've got her on messenger right now
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 08:35:45 PM
BV up 43-42 at halftime over Dubuque

Hey Keith, there is video of the game on the BV site, here is the link... http://www2.bvu.edu/athletics/broadcast/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 09:08:40 PM
BV up 67-62 over Dubuque with 10 minutes gone in the 2nd half
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 09:29:06 PM
1:42 left in the game.  BV up 84-82 over Dubuque

It's been close throughout
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 28, 2008, 09:37:09 PM
BV - 91
UD - 86

FINAL
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2008, 09:37:23 PM
BV wins 91-86 over Dubuque

Nice job by the student announcers on the BVU network.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 28, 2008, 09:38:48 PM
Who would have thought the Spartans would keep it that close?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 28, 2008, 09:47:50 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on February 28, 2008, 09:38:48 PM
Who would have thought the Spartans would keep it that close?

I had my feelings that it could stay close.  Its one and done time.  Congrats to UD.  They played a heck of a game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCfan on February 28, 2008, 09:48:34 PM
Seems to be impossible to get a score for the Loras game and the audio isnt working for me. Can anyone give an update on that one?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 28, 2008, 09:50:50 PM
According to their website, they beat Coe rather easily tonight, 82-64.

Should be a pretty exciting game up in Storm Lake on Saturday with the NCAA Tourny on the line!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 28, 2008, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on February 28, 2008, 09:38:48 PM
Who would have thought the Spartans would keep it that close?

Keith hit the nail on the head.  Blum and Daugherty hit 4 & 5 3's respectively.  13 3's kept them in it, but ultimately, BV's bigs were too much.  Fogleman, Cleveland, Arndorfer, and Friedrichsen all had big games for the Beavers.  I think the guards were saving their 3's for Saturday night!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 28, 2008, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 28, 2008, 09:50:50 PM
According to thier website, they beat Coe rather easily tonight, 82-64.

Should be a pretty exciting game up in Storm Lake on Saturday with the NCAA Tourny on the line!

Wow, I would have figured that to be a much tighter contest. 

The fieldhouse will be rocking saturday night!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 28, 2008, 10:40:18 PM
Loras smoked Coe tonight.  It wasn't even close from the beginning.  Kuenstling wasn't a factor even though he ended up with decent stats.  White and Slater dominated the post for the most part.  The threes seemed to be going in all night for the Duhawks, and Coe just couldn't find the bottom of the net. 

Despite not getting to host the conference title game, Loras seems pretty anxious to get another crack at BV this weekend.  Should be a good one!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on February 29, 2008, 12:18:05 AM
I think the Dubuque Telegraph Herald should lead with this headline tomorrow:

Determined Duhawks Destroy Kohawks

The determination this team has to prove itself will show saturday in Storm Lake.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCfan on February 29, 2008, 02:44:35 AM
Now I dont know when if they have alredy voted for MOP but if White didnt lock it up with 24 and 13 in 29 minutes then I dont know who should win MOP.  Especially since Wagner was silent in BV's win.  As I stated earlier I understand the MOP usually goes to the conf. champ but I dont think it is even a question. 

Cmon Duhawks
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on February 29, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
I endured a disappointing evening watching my alma mater Kohawks be humiliated by the Duhawks.  This game was a non-event.  Loras was excellent defensively and the Kohawks were unprepared to compete.  In fact, with 8:30 left in the game, I started the 175 mile return trip in a snowstorm.  Loras was up by 19 points and Coe had no chance to close the gap.  Loras' seniors are finally playing like their basketball clock is ticking down to the end...which it is.  It's going to be some lean years ahead for my beloved Kohawks.  This time, the Duhawks will be ready for the Beavers....good luck Loras!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on February 29, 2008, 09:16:15 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 28, 2008, 10:00:52 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on February 28, 2008, 09:38:48 PM
Who would have thought the Spartans would keep it that close?

Keith hit the nail on the head.  Blum and Daugherty hit 4 & 5 3's respectively.  13 3's kept them in it, but ultimately, BV's bigs were too much.  Fogleman, Cleveland, Arndorfer, and Friedrichsen all had big games for the Beavers.  I think the guards were saving their 3's for Saturday night!

I dont follow BV very closely, were those bigs regular players in BV's rotation (Friedrichsen and Arndofer)? UD shot 85% from the line, 52% from the 3 and 47% from the field, and still lost..and other than McDonald, no one shot bad from the field!! wow, I was imagining a UD-Loras battle for the tourney! Maybe next year
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on February 29, 2008, 09:32:24 AM
Quote from: LCfan on February 29, 2008, 02:44:35 AM
Now I dont know when if they have alredy voted for MOP but if White didnt lock it up with 24 and 13 in 29 minutes then I dont know who should win MOP.  Especially since Wagner was silent in BV's win.  As I stated earlier I understand the MOP usually goes to the conf. champ but I dont think it is even a question. 

Cmon Duhawks

No doubt in my mind that Kyle White is MOP.  I am a Coe fan and was at the game last night.  Granted, he didn't have to guard Kuenstling last night, with Slater taking over that duty White was able to be fresh on offense.  White showed that he can play inside and outside last night with a nice dunk and some nice outside shots. 

However, I don't think that White and Slater "DOMINATED" inside.  Loras won the game by great outside shooting and dominant defense.  If anyone dominated inside it was the Loras guards like they always have against Coe guards.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on February 29, 2008, 09:39:16 AM
## Player              GP-GS  Min--Avg  FG-FGA   Pct 3FG-FGA   Pct  FT-FTA   Pct  Off Def  Tot  Avg  PF FO   A  TO Blk Stl  Pts  Avg
34 Friedrichsen, Adam. 26-0   426 16.4  56-130  .431   3-18   .167  40-55   .727   28  51   79  3.0  47  0  17  39   6   8  155  6.0
44 Arndorfer, Adam.... 26-0   448 17.2  67-106  .632   0-0    .000  18-30   .600   37  71  108  4.2  23  0  21  37  14  17  152  5.8
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 29, 2008, 10:48:46 AM
Bv has done the 2 groups rotation all year long and those have been their 2 bigs.  The only player that normally isn't in the rotation very much is Raney but he is a very good defender so was brought in with the second group instead of Bissen and played rather good defense on Daughtery.  BV dominated down low last night and wagner wasn't needed to take over.  He didnt force anything and did what the team needed of him.  I dont think you can say because White went off like that against Coe he deserves it.  Im not by any means saying that he doesn't because he is one hell of a good player and impressed me big time.   Cant wait for the big game tomorrow and hopefully the loser gets a bid into the NCAA's anyways but you never can tell what will happen with Pool C for sure
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 29, 2008, 11:34:16 AM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on February 29, 2008, 10:48:46 AM
Bv has done the 2 groups rotation all year long and those have been their 2 bigs.  The only player that normally isn't in the rotation very much is Raney but he is a very good defender so was brought in with the second group instead of Bissen and played rather good defense on Daughtery.  BV dominated down low last night and wagner wasn't needed to take over.  He didnt force anything and did what the team needed of him.  I dont think you can say because White went off like that against Coe he deserves it.  Im not by any means saying that he doesn't because he is one hell of a good player and impressed me big time.   Cant wait for the big game tomorrow and hopefully the loser gets a bid into the NCAA's anyways but you never can tell what will happen with Pool C for sure

Great point SLP.  Wheather it does or not the MOP should be based off of many differnt things.  You can score 8 points and still be the most outstanding player on the court that night.  There are a lot of things like defense, taking care of the ball, and getting the right players the ball on any given night.  This game was won down low.  If we they would have had to get into an outside shooting contest, the game might have been different. 

White is a heck of a player.  I have not seen him play in person this season, but have followed as well as one can via the internet.  Doug Flute won the most coveted award in college football off of one play, lets hope for the sake of all that the determining factor in the MOP is not last nights performace, althought it should count towards the overall picture. 

Good luck to the Beavers tomorrow night.  It will be fun to see how this one turns out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 29, 2008, 11:45:26 AM
I think MOP should go to the BV guy doing the cartwheels during timeouts!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on February 29, 2008, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 29, 2008, 11:45:26 AM
I think MOP should go to the BV guy doing the cartwheels during timeouts!!!

That's what I'm looking forward to most tomorrow night!!!

That, and Duhawk 'W'...Fooo Shoooo!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on February 29, 2008, 11:48:19 AM
Lets hope Loras doesnt have a mental meltdown on their way to BV today and comes more than prepared for the big game tomorrow night.  

It is going to be a doozy of one........defense wins Championships so we will see tomorrow night who is going back to the NCAA Tournament.

I am calling out Kolze to finally step up against the Beavers this time!!!!  

White, Centella, and Slater will be dominant as always
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 29, 2008, 11:53:55 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 29, 2008, 11:45:26 AM
I think MOP should go to the BV guy doing the cartwheels during timeouts!!!

haha Phil is the man and does a mean cartwheel
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 29, 2008, 11:57:05 AM
I would venture to say that Loras did "dominate" underneath last night. Sure Loras got the job done from outside, but that doesn't mean they didn't inside.  I watched Slater, White and Brandt shut down the Coe bigs all through the first half.  I haven't really sifted through the stats, but i am sure anyone there could probably attest to the trouble Knuestling was having on both ends of the court virtually all night.

BTW that guy that does the cartwheels for BV is the worst male cheerleader ever!!! He has the girls do all the lifting..whats with that?? Weak.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on February 29, 2008, 12:05:06 PM
Quote from: du-sz on February 29, 2008, 11:57:05 AM
I would venture to say that Loras did "dominate" underneath last night. Sure Loras got the job done from outside, but that doesn't mean they didn't inside.  I watched Slater, White and Brandt shut down the Coe bigs all through the first half.  I haven't really sifted through the stats, but i am sure anyone there could probably attest to the trouble Knuestling was having on both ends of the court virtually all night.

BTW that guy that does the cartwheels for BV is the worst male cheerleader ever!!! He has the girls do all the lifting..whats with that?? Weak.

Okay Im with a Loras fan on this believe it or not.  The dude doing the cartwheels is a joke.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 29, 2008, 12:28:40 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on February 29, 2008, 12:05:06 PM
Quote from: du-sz on February 29, 2008, 11:57:05 AM
I would venture to say that Loras did "dominate" underneath last night. Sure Loras got the job done from outside, but that doesn't mean they didn't inside.  I watched Slater, White and Brandt shut down the Coe bigs all through the first half.  I haven't really sifted through the stats, but i am sure anyone there could probably attest to the trouble Knuestling was having on both ends of the court virtually all night.

BTW that guy that does the cartwheels for BV is the worst male cheerleader ever!!! He has the girls do all the lifting..whats with that?? Weak.

Okay Im with a Loras fan on this believe it or not.  The dude doing the cartwheels is a joke.


I believe thats kind of the point of it
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on February 29, 2008, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: du-sz on February 29, 2008, 11:57:05 AM
I would venture to say that Loras did "dominate" underneath last night. Sure Loras got the job done from outside, but that doesn't mean they didn't inside.  I watched Slater, White and Brandt shut down the Coe bigs all through the first half.  I haven't really sifted through the stats, but i am sure anyone there could probably attest to the trouble Knuestling was having on both ends of the court virtually all night.

BTW that guy that does the cartwheels for BV is the worst male cheerleader ever!!! He has the girls do all the lifting..whats with that?? Weak.

What offense of threat does Coe have for Loras to dominate against?  Kuenstling is the only player that you could truly consider a true post on the team.  Slater did do an amazing job defensively against Kuenstling, but other than that Coe has no other offensive post presence.  Offensively you can say the same about Loras, their bigs had just as much trouble doing anything down low except for one dunk by White which was more fast break if anything.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on February 29, 2008, 05:56:06 PM
Quote from: coebball70 on February 29, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
I endured a disappointing evening watching my alma mater Kohawks be humiliated by the Duhawks.  This game was a non-event.  Loras was excellent defensively and the Kohawks were unprepared to compete.  In fact, with 8:30 left in the game, I started the 175 mile return trip in a snowstorm.  Loras was up by 19 points and Coe had no chance to close the gap.  Loras' seniors are finally playing like their basketball clock is ticking down to the end...which it is.  It's going to be some lean years ahead for my beloved Kohawks.  This time, the Duhawks will be ready for the Beavers....good luck Loras!

Being at the game, how could have Coe been better prepared? Do you mean offensively or defensively?

Did you see any strategy at work on the floor or was Coe just battling to get the game in hand?  I understand Coe scored first, then lost the game during the next 5 minutes or so after that?  Is that what you saw?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 29, 2008, 07:05:37 PM
Looking ahead to the IIAC title game, the folks up at BV will have live video via the internet once again.  So, if you're looking for a little visual to go along with those radio calls, be sure to hit that up.  The media kids up there usually do a pretty good job with it.  Hopefully it works well come game time.

http://bvu.edu/athletics/broadcast/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on March 01, 2008, 12:56:18 AM
Here is  the link to the highlights of the last team these two teams met:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9htch6upeU

Voice over done by the guy that posted above this post.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 01, 2008, 12:40:54 PM
B.V. Had better improve defencively ( if their going to beat Loras three times in row) then they did Thursday night,too many times they lost their man on the picks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 01, 2008, 04:58:29 PM
Just got word....the Duhawks are on a mission to dominate in this game.......Look out Storm Lake there is a determined team back in town!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 01, 2008, 05:21:29 PM
Thanks for the newsflash!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 01, 2008, 05:33:44 PM
yea and B.Vdont really care if they win haha
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on March 01, 2008, 07:07:28 PM
Quote from: B.Ver on March 01, 2008, 05:33:44 PM
yea and B.Vdont really care if they win haha

Looks like the boys have already started drinking.  Good news for the student cheering section. 

B.Ver what in heck are you talking about?  To many sneaky petes this afternoon?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 01, 2008, 07:35:23 PM
Any last minute predictions?  I'm taking the Beavers by 5.  77-73.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 01, 2008, 07:37:33 PM
Quote from: The Show on March 01, 2008, 07:35:23 PM
Any last minute predictions?  I'm taking the Beavers by 5.  77-73.

I take it that you weren't a math major, The Show. ;) :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 01, 2008, 08:46:40 PM
LOL, it was my least favorite subject...  I don't even have the excuse of too many Sneaky Pete's!

77-72

Beavers by 6 at the half.  35-29.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on March 01, 2008, 09:08:33 PM
I'm so glad the stream is working...NOT
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 01, 2008, 09:23:24 PM
The Live Stats seem to be working.

http://www2.bvu.edu/athletics/stats/live/xlive.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 01, 2008, 09:33:30 PM
Stream finally crapped out for me too -- thanks for the stats link.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 01, 2008, 09:33:50 PM
Looks like Loras is going to get the "W".  Can't give any insight on the game, but looks like Wagner was the only one who was really on for BV.

Good luck to Loras in the tourny.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 01, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Congrats to the Duhawks.  The third time is the charm.

Let's hope both teams make the D3 playoffs.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on March 01, 2008, 09:36:59 PM
Congrats Duhawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 01, 2008, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on March 01, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Congrats to the Duhawks.  The third time is the charm.

Let's hope both teams make the D3 playoffs.

So, maybe beating a good team 3 times in a season, IS tough to do!  ;)

As for both making it, I'm not holding my breath...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 01, 2008, 10:30:44 PM
Hats off to the Du-hawks
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on March 01, 2008, 10:36:17 PM
Quote from: The Show on March 01, 2008, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on March 01, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Congrats to the Duhawks.  The third time is the charm.

Let's hope both teams make the D3 playoffs.

So, maybe beating a good team 3 times in a season, IS tough to do!  ;)

As for both making it, I'm not holding my breath...

Watch the coachspeak and the sports cliches  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 01, 2008, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 01, 2008, 04:58:29 PM
Just got word....the Duhawks are on a mission to dominate in this game.......Look out Storm Lake there is a determined team back in town!
I was making a joke of that statement but I guess he was correct.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on March 01, 2008, 10:43:05 PM
Duhawks!!!!

A game of streaks and the last when went our way. 

Anyone know what the chance might be that the 1st playoff game is in the AWC?  That would be nice.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 02, 2008, 12:01:34 AM
Good game Duhawks...Congrats hopefully BV still gets a Pool C bid because i think they are deserving of it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 02, 2008, 01:57:59 AM
Congrats to the duhawks.....I knew they would pull this one off finally.  It doesnt get much sweeter than winning on the road at BV.........Kyle White MOP for sure this year......congrats to my man Jake Oeth on a stellar game......he deserves it.  As for BV great season this year and thanks for pushing Loras to the limit......hopefully we can get two teams into the tourny, we will just have to see come tomorrow night!

As for the DuHawks lets get errrr done this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 02, 2008, 01:58:58 AM
PS: I must take my hat off to Greg Gorton for winning his first title in his first year as a head coach.....obviously coach of the year.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on March 02, 2008, 03:42:06 AM
One word describes Loras' win tonight...determination. It was a battle till the bitter end with both teams exchanging blows throughout. Loras just happened to make its last run when it counted. I believe it was a 13-1 run to close it out.

Jake Oeth carried the load for the Duhawks with 21 points and really pushed them down the stretched, especially with his little floater in the lane to put the Duhawks up 5 with about 30 seconds left.

White had a quiet 19 points and 11 boards believe it or not. He played the last 5 minutes with four fouls and did so as aggressively as one possibly can.

Bottom line, Van Haaften and the Beavers came out with a "in your face" Defense that gave Loras fits and the Duhawks simply outlasted the heavyweight bout!

Congrats to the Duhawks on their second consecutive IIAC Tourney Title!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 02, 2008, 05:57:02 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 02, 2008, 01:57:59 AM
Congrats to the duhawks.....I knew they would pull this one off finally.  It doesnt get much sweeter than winning on the road at BV.........Kyle White MOP for sure this year......congrats to my man Jake Oeth on a stellar game......he deserves it.  As for BV great season this year and thanks for pushing Loras to the limit......hopefully we can get two teams into the tourny, we will just have to see come tomorrow night!

As for the DuHawks lets get errrr done this year. 

Wagner had 23 points in the game and seemed to make a shot whenever BV needed it.  I wouldn't say White is a for sure MVP winner but it will be between these 2 great players.  In their 2 games points wise, Wagner 23-19, Wagner 21-19, Wagner 22-17.  He played his big games when they matter most.  Both are great player and white is a all round great player with blocks, rebounding, and points but Wagner put up some great numbers against the biggest competition when he needed to.  He is a big game player and played another great game.  They both are amazing players at their positions but hard to compare a guard against a forward but either one is very deserving of the award.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 02, 2008, 08:12:48 AM
Quote from: The Show on March 01, 2008, 10:07:37 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on March 01, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Congrats to the Duhawks.  The third time is the charm.

Let's hope both teams make the D3 playoffs.

So, maybe beating a good team 3 times in a season, IS tough to do!  ;)

As for both making it, I'm not holding my breath...

Here in west Michigan last night, Hope beat Calvin for the third time this year ... and most likely the MIAA will have just one team in the D3 tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on March 02, 2008, 12:20:16 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on March 02, 2008, 05:57:02 AM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 02, 2008, 01:57:59 AM
Congrats to the duhawks.....I knew they would pull this one off finally.  It doesnt get much sweeter than winning on the road at BV.........Kyle White MOP for sure this year......congrats to my man Jake Oeth on a stellar game......he deserves it.  As for BV great season this year and thanks for pushing Loras to the limit......hopefully we can get two teams into the tourny, we will just have to see come tomorrow night!

As for the DuHawks lets get errrr done this year. 

Wagner had 23 points in the game and seemed to make a shot whenever BV needed it.  I wouldn't say White is a for sure MVP winner but it will be between these 2 great players.  In their 2 games points wise, Wagner 23-19, Wagner 21-19, Wagner 22-17.  He played his big games when they matter most.  Both are great player and white is a all round great player with blocks, rebounding, and points but Wagner put up some great numbers against the biggest competition when he needed to.  He is a big game player and played another great game.  They both are amazing players at their positions but hard to compare a guard against a forward but either one is very deserving of the award.

Wagner hit some incredible shots...some that looked like his body was parallel with the floor when he let it fly, but points aren't everything. White's been a double-double (9 in all) machine this year and has the same capabilities of taking over a game as Wagner. In IIAC games, White leads the league in points (17.9) and is just one rebound shy of leading in rebounds (8.5). By the way, White has just 10 blocks on the year  ;).

Traditionally, the POY award goes to the IIAC winner, but since BVU won the reg. season title and the Duhawks won the IIAC Tourney, I'm not sure which one they weigh the most. It'll be interesting to see how this whole campaign for POY will unfold.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 02, 2008, 02:35:34 PM
If I recall correctly, it is usually decided before the conference tourny begins.  If that's the case, Wagner is your MVP.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCfan on March 02, 2008, 05:31:18 PM
WHITE for '07-'08 MOP

Season Stats

WHITE
FG-FGA     FG%  3FG-FGA  3PT%  FT-FTA   FT%   PTS   R/G  A/G  STL  BLK   PTS/G
103-185   .557    15-29     .517     65-90   .722    286   8.5   1.7   11     7     17.9

WAGNER
FG-FGA      FG%  3FG-FGA  3PT%   FT-FTA   FT%   PTS   R/G   A/G   STL  BLK  PTS/G
83-179     .464     39-99    .394      44-60   .733   249   2.1   1.0    33     1     15.6

Now look at the games against each other.  I would take White's numbers simply for rebounds everything else is pretty similar.

GAME 3
                                                    3pt                  REBOUNDS
## Player Name            FG-FGA  FG-FGA  FT-FTA OF  DE  TOT  PF   TP   A  TO BLK  S
04 Wagner, Andre....... * 10-16    3-7        0-0    1     2      3    2    23   0   2    0    0  
32 White, Kyle......... *     7-15    1-4        4-8    3     8     11   4    19   4   2    1    3  

GAME 2
                                                    3pt                    REBOUNDS
## Player Name            FG-FGA  FG-FGA  FT-FTA  OF  DE  TOT  PF   TP   A  TO  BLK  S
04 Wagner, Andre....... *  6-11      2-4       8-11    0     2     2    1    22   0    2    0    2  
32 White, Kyle......... *    7-13      3-3        0-1     2     4     6    6    17   2    0    1    0  

GAME 1                                                                            
                                                      3pt                  REBOUNDS
## Player Name            FG-FGA  FG-FGA  FT-FTA  OF  DE  TOT  PF   TP   A  TO  BLK  S
04 Wagner, Andre....... *  8-20      5-14      0-0     1     2     3    2    21   1   1     0    1  
32 White, Kyle......... *    7-12      3-4        2-3     2     8    10   2    19   1   3     1    0  

Good numbers for both of these young men and very good seasons.  Last year White won MOP with numbers less than the other top league performers but Loras won the conf. and conf. tournament so I wouldnt be shocked if Wagner won it.  

I hope that Loras can represent the IIAC with a couple touney wins.  Go Duhawks!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 03, 2008, 08:05:35 AM
Our sympathy's and prayers go out to the Loras student from Binz Hall who died last night.  Much too young and had much to look forward to in life.  Our prayers to the Loras College family as well. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 03, 2008, 08:43:35 AM
Can't find any info. on this besides a two sentence article in the Register, but I'm with DooLittle on this.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 03, 2008, 09:00:48 AM
According to the projections, BV has a shot!

http://www.d3hoops.com/salem/08/projected.htm

The best case scenario for the IIAC to get two teams in was to have Loras win the IIAC conference tourny title game.  If BV didn't stub its toe against Central, I don't think it would be much of a question. So in the words of Lloyd Christmas, "So you're telling me there's a chance!"

We'll find out at 11:00am.

I missed VH's interview on Hoopsville last night, so I'm trying to  find it in the archive.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 03, 2008, 09:02:47 AM
For those who are interested:

http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/tunein.htm

Part 2 @ 12:25
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: curbside prophet on March 03, 2008, 11:50:04 AM
Gorton for "obvious" coach of the year?? Why, because he did what he was supposed to do considering he returned ALL 5 starters from last years championship team and actually ended up having a worse record? I would have to cast my vote for Seiverding from UD. I think they were picked to finish 2nd-to-last, if not last, in the conference and end up getting a #4 seed and taking BV down to the wire in the semi-finals. He should get coach of the year in my opinion.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 03, 2008, 12:34:00 PM
Loras vs UW-Whitewater in the 1st round.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 03, 2008, 12:36:09 PM
And they mis-pronouced Byoo-nah Vista!   :(

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 03, 2008, 12:38:07 PM
BV at St Thomas
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 03, 2008, 12:40:19 PM
The Beavers head to St. Thomas.  Congrats IIAC on two reps. in the tourny!

Now, we need a couple "W"s to keep this a normal occurence.

Ralph - You had that posted before it was even announced on my connection... :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on March 03, 2008, 01:10:48 PM
Damn, that Augie region is brutal! 3 top 10 teams and BV would have to face the winner of Chicago and Point, then most likely Augie or Wash U...

Loras at #4 Whitewater then would face either #16 Lawrence or once ranked Wheaton, which would be a rematch from the second game in the year.

Good luck to the IIAC...I think these last two games between Loras and BVU has really battle tested them...Both are ready!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on March 03, 2008, 01:30:50 PM
Thanks Doolittle....

It's been a tough day around the Loras campus today.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LAXGUY on March 03, 2008, 02:06:00 PM
Very good for the IIAC to get two teams in, but doesn't look like they'll stay in long with two very tough match-ups in UW-Whitewater and St. Thomas.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 03, 2008, 03:44:30 PM
UW-Whitewater Pod Links:

Wheaton:  http://athletics.wheaton.edu/index.asp?path=mbball

Lawrence:  http://www.lawrence.edu/athletics/mbasketball/

Loras:  http://depts.loras.edu/sports/mens/basketball/

Whitewater: http://www.uwwsports.com/index.asp?path=mbball

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on March 03, 2008, 05:41:13 PM
The Whitewater/Loras matchup marks the first time the IIAC and WIAC have hooked up in the D3 tournament since Eau-Claire beat Buena Vista 82-75 in OT back in 99-2000 on their way to a near championship season.

Duhawks have four players that average in double figures and both teams match up relatively well in size, while Whitewater seems like the much quicker team.

Looks like Whitewater had a pretty weak non-conference schedule. Then again no need to really play tough teams outside the WIAC. Duhawks have wins over Chicago, North Park, and LaCrosse. Suffered a close loss on home to Wheaton, but that was the second game of the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCfan on March 03, 2008, 06:13:56 PM
2007-2008 MOP

Kyle White has be chosen as the MOP for the IIAC for the second straight year (information straight from the horses mouth).  Congrats to BV and good luck against St. Thomas.     

Go Duhawks

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on March 03, 2008, 06:22:05 PM
It was well deserved and shouldn't take away anything Andre Wagner did this year...White simply improved from last season and filled the stat sheet more.
Congratulations to Kyle and the Duhawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 03, 2008, 07:50:27 PM
Are you sure that he is POY rather than player of this week again.  Im not saying that he hasn't heard already but he was giving the player of the week this week and could be mistaken.  If true congrats to him on a great year and good look in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on March 03, 2008, 08:02:23 PM
Yeah, he is Athlete of the Week and Player of the Year. It's unofficial, but he found out after receiving a phone call today.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawkdanran on March 04, 2008, 11:03:55 PM
Loras Basketball Highlights and Stories:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7K3GgThFVuU (First Practice)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwePMFz3LFA (Loras vs. Clarke)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1v3Wubn3ksM (Loras vs. North Park)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GN1vXmRlWU (Loras vs. Simpson)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P9htch6upeU (Loras vs. BV)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZJwAKpx-8o (Loras vs. Coe)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYrJS3-dm0o (Whitewater Teaser)


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCfan on March 04, 2008, 11:40:40 PM
Quote from: Full Court Sorcerer on February 29, 2008, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: du-sz on February 29, 2008, 11:57:05 AM
I would venture to say that Loras did "dominate" underneath last night. Sure Loras got the job done from outside, but that doesn't mean they didn't inside.  I watched Slater, White and Brandt shut down the Coe bigs all through the first half.  I haven't really sifted through the stats, but i am sure anyone there could probably attest to the trouble Knuestling was having on both ends of the court virtually all night.

BTW that guy that does the cartwheels for BV is the worst male cheerleader ever!!! He has the girls do all the lifting..whats with that?? Weak.

What offense of threat does Coe have for Loras to dominate against?  Kuenstling is the only player that you could truly consider a true post on the team.  Slater did do an amazing job defensively against Kuenstling, but other than that Coe has no other offensive post presence.  Offensively you can say the same about Loras, their bigs had just as much trouble doing anything down low except for one dunk by White which was more fast break if anything.

I know this is a little late but if this dunk is a fast break than I dont know what half court offense is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZJwAKpx-8o (Loras vs. Coe)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on March 05, 2008, 02:41:47 PM
Quote from: LCfan on March 04, 2008, 11:40:40 PM
Quote from: Full Court Sorcerer on February 29, 2008, 03:30:57 PM
Quote from: du-sz on February 29, 2008, 11:57:05 AM
I would venture to say that Loras did "dominate" underneath last night. Sure Loras got the job done from outside, but that doesn't mean they didn't inside.  I watched Slater, White and Brandt shut down the Coe bigs all through the first half.  I haven't really sifted through the stats, but i am sure anyone there could probably attest to the trouble Knuestling was having on both ends of the court virtually all night.

BTW that guy that does the cartwheels for BV is the worst male cheerleader ever!!! He has the girls do all the lifting..whats with that?? Weak.

What offense of threat does Coe have for Loras to dominate against?  Kuenstling is the only player that you could truly consider a true post on the team.  Slater did do an amazing job defensively against Kuenstling, but other than that Coe has no other offensive post presence.  Offensively you can say the same about Loras, their bigs had just as much trouble doing anything down low except for one dunk by White which was more fast break if anything.

I know this is a little late but if this dunk is a fast break than I dont know what half court offense is!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZJwAKpx-8o (Loras vs. Coe)

Yeah, that's def. not a fast break.  The cat from Coe just got owned.  Period.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 06, 2008, 11:53:21 AM
Good Luck to both BV and Loras tomorrow!  Represent the conference so we get the respect we deserve in future years.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 07, 2008, 10:29:21 AM
Safe travels for anyone attending the games tonight.  Good luck to both IIAC squads.

GO BEAVERS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 07, 2008, 10:37:53 AM
Today is a great day....2 IAAC teams playing the national tournament.....Loras beat UWW the last time they played against each back in 2005, coming back from 18 point 2nd half deficit.  I think Loras will match up well with them and can pull off a great upset tonight.  If I know these Duhawks well enough, they are not going to want to bounce out in the first round again like last year.

As for the Beavers I believe they have this game in the bag.  Look for Flogelman to have a big game and Wagner to be his supporting cast tonight.....


Good luck to both teams and I hope to see two W's by the end of the night.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 07, 2008, 12:32:46 PM
I see 2 losses.  The IIAC just doesn't compare physicially and skillwise to the MIAC and WIAC.  Plus having 2 games on thier opponents home courts..I see BV and Loras coming home winless tomorrow morning...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 07, 2008, 01:42:56 PM
I would think a physical game would definitely favor the IIAC.

Centella from Loras is one of the most physical guards I've seen in awhile.  As long as Kolze isn't playing BV, he should be on as well.  The only thing I see that could hurt Loras is if they're calling touch fouls and Loras has to sit either of the two I mentioned above or White or Slater.  They don't have the depth that BV does.

McCoy from St. Thomas is the only one who appears he can size up with Fogleman. But with the constant 4 bigs for BV in rotation, I have a feeling he will be getting worn down if he has to alternate guarding Fogleman and Arndorfer.  As long as BV is hitting their FT's, they should be in great shape.  And I don't think Wagner and Co. will be far behind in the skill dept. either...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on March 07, 2008, 02:48:38 PM
 Well, I decided to take a look at tonight's match-ups and see what I thought.  It looks like Loras has a pretty tough task against UW-W.  The Warhawks appear to have some quick scorers on the outside and a couple solid forwards.  Coming out of the always tough WIAC, I'm sure they'll be a lot to handle.  Loras seems to line up well with UW-W as far as height goes, but I am concerned about Loras' depth.  Where they could succeed is in physicality and three-point shooting.  I'm not going to pretend to be an expert on UW-W though, they could be very much what I don't expect.  I'd love to pick my Duhawks in this one, but I'm going to go with the home team by 7.....I hope I'm wrong. haha

As for the BV game, I'll go with the Tommies by 3.  Wagner, like always, and the bigs in this one, keep them in it.  I wish Loras would have gotten their draw.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: concordia of the north on March 07, 2008, 03:55:16 PM
st. thomas by 7
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 07, 2008, 04:07:18 PM
Whitewater has a lot of speed.  Don't try to run with them.  Though their stats show they don't have a lot of height, the rebound extremely well, especially on the offensive end.  Try to limit them to one and dones.  Goodwin had been out for over two games with a concussion, but his running mate, Myles McKay has taken over and scored well.  Both played and started vs. Point in the WIAC championship game.  Vernon is a very good post player.  The thing with Whitewater is that they are fast and physical.  I don't see Loras winning this one...of course, I'll admit I know nothing about them! lol.

WW doesn't have any NCAA experience, so they might crack under pressure, but I doubt it since they went through the WIAC schedule pretty good and won two games in the WIAC conference tourney without their best player and COTY Matt Goodwin.  Also, Rob Perry, a senior forward, broke his leg 14 games into the season.  When that happened, many thought the wheels would fall off.  I think they actually got better.

Not sure about BV.  The Tommie faithful don't seem too excited about their own team, so maybe BV has a shot.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 07, 2008, 09:22:43 PM
Beavers had a 16-0 run ... ahead 29-19.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 07, 2008, 09:42:15 PM
Beavers give up 4 pts in the last 8 seconds.  Still have the lead at half.  41-36
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 07, 2008, 10:57:34 PM
BEAVERS HANG ON 72-70
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 11:03:56 PM
Loras hits a 3 with 15 seconds left to go up by 1 and they hang on for the victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buf on March 07, 2008, 11:04:49 PM
Congrats to the IIAC on going 2-0, both on the opponents home court.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OshDude on March 07, 2008, 11:09:51 PM
Wow, wow, wow. Like I posted on the WIAC board, I didn't overlook LC. But that offense LC runs is something else. Don't remember a player doing to WW what White did tonight.

I would have lost a lot of cash on my 14-point spread, and even more had I made a money line. Sincere congrats and best of luck the rest of the way. Very, very impressive second half tonight. Don't know how shocking this final is to the rest of the country, but we (well, maybe just me ...) here in WIAC land are stunned.

I guess LC is Butler/SIU, like I said. Turns out Butler was better than Memphis tonight. Did I say wow? WOW.

I'm rambling and gushing all over here, but accept my humble apologies on not giving LC a shot. I'm now a believer. And a fan. Awesome, awesome win and an impressive basketball display tonight. That was a clinic in the second half. I'll be rooting for LC the rest of the way.

EDIT: LC only allows four WW offensive rebounds (none by Vernon!) and turns it over just nine times. That's about as good as it gets against WW.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Nites on March 07, 2008, 11:12:46 PM
Kudos to the IIAC  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 07, 2008, 11:19:00 PM
Huge props to the IIAC!  Some (including myself, I'll admit) didn't give you guys much of a chance in the games tonight as you were playing the hosts for the pods, but the IIAC proves something for itself!  Congrats to the Beavers and the Duhawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 12:09:57 AM
Great job tonight IIAC!  Now everyone can see that the two bids were well deserved.

GO BEAVERS!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 12:12:06 AM
Quote from: larry_u on March 07, 2008, 12:32:46 PM
I see 2 losses.  The IIAC just doesn't compare physicially and skillwise to the MIAC and WIAC.  Plus having 2 games on thier opponents home courts..I see BV and Loras coming home winless tomorrow morning...

Can I get a second opinion?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on March 08, 2008, 12:48:52 AM
Well that was a pleasant surprise...a potentially program changing win for the Duhawks tonight.   It's exactly a win like this that can help change the perception that a program is good, to a program can complete on the national level.

Congrats to BV as well, this can only be a good thing for the IIAC going forward.

Did anyone have the image of KW in the huddle telling Gorton, "I'll make it" and then burying a 3pt from the top of the key?  It's actually kind of nice to hear the reactions of other fans who aren't used to seeing KW play on regular basis.

Congrats Duhawks, a stellar victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCfan on March 08, 2008, 01:30:07 AM
Quote from: duhawk on March 08, 2008, 12:48:52 AM


Did anyone have the image of KW in the huddle telling Gorton, "I'll make it" and then burying a 3pt from the top of the key?  It's actually kind of nice to hear the reactions of other fans who aren't used to seeing KW play on regular basis.



Great game.  White was unbelievable.  Actually, Kyle was told by Gorton to set his feet and make the shot.  I think there were a few other words in there but you get the idea.  And he did exactly that.  WOW. 

On to Wheaton.  We will need some guys to step up tomorrow.  Lets Go Duhawks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 08, 2008, 01:42:49 AM
Whitewater goes down 71-70 (story and boxscore) (http://www.uwwsports.com/News/mbball/2008/3/7/mbkb_loras_03072008.asp?path=mbball)

Whitewater started out 9-2, but Loras weathered the storm to come back to tie it.  Whitewater goes on a run with Goodwin on fire, hitting 4 3's in the first half (?) and Whitewater went into the locker room with a seemingly comfortable 10-pt lead.  I thought Whitewater would slowly pull away, but credit Loras for adjusting to McKay and Goodwin's speed.  They went zone to slow the guards down and when they went zone, there was a lot of standing around by the other players waiting for Goodwin and McKay to "do their magic".  At least that's how I saw it.  When they did penetrate, the whole Loras team seemed to collapse on them to force them into a bad shot or throw it out where the rest of the Whitewater team didn't seem like they had the confidence to shoot the ball. 

Loras' guards were a handful.  They look like linebackers with Centella at 205 (6'2"), Oeth at 215 and the other forwards also coming in over 200 lbs.  They just seemed to muscle Whitewater in the paint by posting up their guards and smaller forwards agains the likes of the lighter Koski (185), McKay (185), Goodwin 175 and Hunter (170).  They also had some pretty impressive spin moves down low.  Obviously, White was the story and Whitewater couldn't stop him. 

Loras came back after being down double digits in the 2nd half and took the lead when White nailed a near 25-footer with about 6 seconds left.  Goodwin came down, put in a little pump and when the defender jumped up, Goodwin leaned into him trying to get the foul.  Personally, I think it was a good no-call.  The ball got away from him and ended up in Koski's hands.  He launched from near the Whitewater bench and hit rim and came off.  Game, set, match. 

It was a great effort by Loras and they definitely deserved to win because they never quit, even being down nearly all of the 2nd half.  A good crowd on hand, number-wise, but kind of quiet.  The student section was full and standing the whole time, but didn't seem to get into the game until about 5 minutes to go. 

Enthusiastic Loras crowd and they were generally louder than the home folks all night.  Looking forward to a good 2nd round matchup, though I would've rathered have seen LU v WW.  Oh well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCfan on March 08, 2008, 05:21:01 AM
As has been the case for the history of the IIAC (maybe, rightfully so) no one thought they should get two teams in and what happens they both win.  Great job by Loras and BV.  KW was the best player on the court and it is great that the WIAC got a taste of humble pie.  I think I predicted 77-74 Loras but I will take 71-70!!! 

Go Duhawks....I will be there tomorrow in rare form
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 08, 2008, 08:10:51 AM
Good job Iowa Conference.  Now maybe we can host some games in future tourneys. 

In other IIAC news the Simpson women won their 1st round basketball game and the IIAC has 4 teams in the top 10 after the first day of the wrestling tourney!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on March 08, 2008, 09:35:04 AM
Congrats to the IIAC.  What a great showing last night, and more importantly congrats to the BEAVERS!!!

Lets hope we are talking tomorrow about two IIAC teams in the Sweet 16!  This can only help to bring more respect to our conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on March 08, 2008, 09:55:27 AM
so what do I say..as a UD alumni...can I really congratulate Loras?? and saying good job IIAC doesnt have a real ring to it for me...so I'll say this..good luck to the purple punks from down University Ave..lol..best I can do
I kinda expected BV to win, I think their size and depth will wear some teams down..as long as they play physical and disciplined (a staple of VH teams), I think they have a great shot of an E8 showing.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 08, 2008, 12:38:15 PM
I dont know who mentioned this before.....but both Loras and BV and pretty tough teams in terms of physicality and play hard nose basketball.......that is how you could always describe these programs.......tonight will be a great rematch for Loras as they owe Wheaton from earlier in the year.......tonight they are going to need someone else to step up and help Kyle White out as everyone will be keying in on him as they always do.  The kid is a stud........d3 freak!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 06:38:51 PM
Any sort of streaming for either game tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 08, 2008, 07:34:27 PM
UWSP stream is found at www.b1049.com .  Find the tab for streaming in the upper right hand corner.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 08, 2008, 07:44:09 PM
Quote from: The Show on March 08, 2008, 06:38:51 PM
Any sort of streaming for either game tonight?

http://www.uwwsports.com/Sports/mbball/2007/livestats/xlive.htm

http://www.wheaton.edu/wetn/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 08:12:25 PM
Thanks fellas!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 08:30:07 PM
BV down 3 at the half...27-24.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 09:02:44 PM
Beavers up 5 with 9:48 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 09:13:39 PM
Beavers up 6 with 3:24 to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 09:31:53 PM
BEAVERS WIN!!!  SWEET 16!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on March 08, 2008, 09:32:34 PM
Loras drops a thriller by 3.  Wheaton went on a huge run late in the game and held off the Duhawks in the last minute.  White had a look at another last second three, but this time there was a little more pressure and couldn't get it to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 08, 2008, 09:33:01 PM
BEAVERS PULL IT OUT AGAIN 54-53
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 09:42:37 PM
Congrats to Loras on a great season.

I think Loras and BV definitely benefited from their close games throughout this past season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 08, 2008, 09:47:24 PM
GREAT call by VH putting Gute over the inbounds pass at the end of the game.  Talk about having a plan for every situation...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BeaverOfYore on March 08, 2008, 10:20:03 PM
Congrats to BV for a great win, congratulations to Loras for a great season.  I was really hoping the Duhawks would win tonight.  It would have been great to see both IIAC teams have a shot at knocking off even more ranked teams.  Hopefully BV can keep it rolling all the way to Salem.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 09, 2008, 09:08:04 AM
Does anybody know whats next for B V? Who and where they play?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sbaum on March 09, 2008, 09:40:57 AM
The NCAA hasn't released where teams will be playing these next rounds, but they will be playing Washington U this coming Friday. Quite a daunting challenge, but hey, BV has shown some real grit beating St. Thomas and Stevens Point. It'll probably be at either Millsaps or WashU, and I would guess WashU since they are more centrally located. It's just hard to tell with the seedings.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 09, 2008, 11:21:10 AM
Thank you for the info and GO BEAVERS
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 09, 2008, 01:03:56 PM
BV plays Washington U at Washington U on Friday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on March 09, 2008, 06:54:57 PM
If I am not mistaken, there is a relationship between WashU and BV.  I believe that students at BV can take classes towards their engineering degree, and then head down to WashU and complete their course work after graduation from BV.  This is a 6 year program if I understand right.  4 at BV and 2 at WashU. 

Congratulations to the Beavers. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2008, 10:57:24 PM
Congrats to BV on their win over the Pointers.  Sounds like it was a nailbiter.  I saw Loras play fellow WIACer Whitewater and I was very impressed with White and their guard play (very big!).

Good luck to you guys vs. Washington U.  The Bears smoked the Pointers last year in the same round you guys play them.  They are a great team with Ruths and Co.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on March 10, 2008, 06:36:23 PM
I am looking forward to a great game this weekend.  I might have to slip down the St. Louis and catch the game.  Its only about 4 hours from where I am located. 

I look for the Beavers to be ready to play.  They are not going to go down to St. Louis and lay and egg.  I really hope that BV keeps winning and keep moving further into the tournament. 

I personally enjoy watching a team move through a tournament, when everyone  tries to throw a road block in the way. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on March 10, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
Klop:  If you go, stop for dinner at Rich and Charlie's on LeMay Ferry Road in south county.

9-16 the fewest wins and most losses for Wartburg since 1961-62.  Don't look for it to happen in another 46 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 11, 2008, 01:10:41 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 10, 2008, 06:36:23 PM
I am looking forward to a great game this weekend.  I might have to slip down the St. Louis and catch the game.  Its only about 4 hours from where I am located. 

I look for the Beavers to be ready to play.  They are not going to go down to St. Louis and lay and egg.  I really hope that BV keeps winning and keep moving further into the tournament. 

I personally enjoy watching a team move through a tournament, when everyone  tries to throw a road block in the way. 

Only once before (Wartburg, 1985) has an IIAC team made it as far as the Elite Eight in the D3 tournament. So the Beavers have a chance to make some history on Friday if they can pull off the upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on March 11, 2008, 08:06:56 AM
Quote from: warthog on March 10, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
Klop:  If you go, stop for dinner at Rich and Charlie's on LeMay Ferry Road in south county.

9-16 the fewest wins and most losses for Wartburg since 1961-62.  Don't look for it to happen in another 46 years.

Thanks Warthog, will do.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 11, 2008, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: warthog on March 10, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
Klop:  If you go, stop for dinner at Rich and Charlie's on LeMay Ferry Road in south county.

9-16 the fewest wins and most losses for Wartburg since 1961-62.  Don't look for it to happen in another 46 years.

you're not telling klop to head to the hill for Italian???  Or better yet if klop is spending the night tell him to order Imo's pizza delivered to him.  An aquired taste that none of my Iowa friends have ever liked.  I guess you have to be born in St. Louis to like Imo's!!!

My family used to eat at a place right next to Washington U when we would go to the Muny Opera but that has been too many years now for me to remember. 

9-16...is it just me or do most teams struggle in their 1st year in a new building???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on March 11, 2008, 11:40:38 AM
Loras seemed pretty damn good in their new building this year....Congrats to a great season DuHawks.....Good Luck to the Beavers and I hope they do well.....make some more noise for the IIAC
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on March 11, 2008, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 11, 2008, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: warthog on March 10, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
Klop:  If you go, stop for dinner at Rich and Charlie's on LeMay Ferry Road in south county.

9-16 the fewest wins and most losses for Wartburg since 1961-62.  Don't look for it to happen in another 46 years.

you're not telling klop to head to the hill for Italian???  Or better yet if klop is spending the night tell him to order Imo's pizza delivered to him.  An aquired taste that none of my Iowa friends have ever liked.  I guess you have to be born in St. Louis to like Imo's!!!

My family used to eat at a place right next to Washington U when we would go to the Muny Opera but that has been too many years now for me to remember. 

9-16...is it just me or do most teams struggle in their 1st year in a new building???

Well if it is anything like Chicago pizza I would have a taste for it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 11, 2008, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 11, 2008, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 11, 2008, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: warthog on March 10, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
Klop:  If you go, stop for dinner at Rich and Charlie's on LeMay Ferry Road in south county.

9-16 the fewest wins and most losses for Wartburg since 1961-62.  Don't look for it to happen in another 46 years.

you're not telling klop to head to the hill for Italian???  Or better yet if klop is spending the night tell him to order Imo's pizza delivered to him.  An aquired taste that none of my Iowa friends have ever liked.  I guess you have to be born in St. Louis to like Imo's!!!

My family used to eat at a place right next to Washington U when we would go to the Muny Opera but that has been too many years now for me to remember. 

9-16...is it just me or do most teams struggle in their 1st year in a new building???

Well if it is anything like Chicago pizza I would have a taste for it. 

It's not, super thin crust, and there is a special cheese they use, almost exclusively found in St. Louis...and I forget the name of it that they use.  Wash U is by Forest Park, nice OLD area of St. Louis.  At least that's how I remember it from 26 years ago when my family lived there.  I was still young when we moved up to Iowa.  Warthog could probably tell you better about the St. Louis area. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on March 11, 2008, 05:58:11 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 11, 2008, 01:43:13 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on March 11, 2008, 01:38:59 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 11, 2008, 09:51:37 AM
Quote from: warthog on March 10, 2008, 10:31:26 PM
Klop:  If you go, stop for dinner at Rich and Charlie's on LeMay Ferry Road in south county.

9-16 the fewest wins and most losses for Wartburg since 1961-62.  Don't look for it to happen in another 46 years.

you're not telling klop to head to the hill for Italian???  Or better yet if klop is spending the night tell him to order Imo's pizza delivered to him.  An aquired taste that none of my Iowa friends have ever liked.  I guess you have to be born in St. Louis to like Imo's!!!

My family used to eat at a place right next to Washington U when we would go to the Muny Opera but that has been too many years now for me to remember. 

9-16...is it just me or do most teams struggle in their 1st year in a new building???

Well if it is anything like Chicago pizza I would have a taste for it. 

It's not, super thin crust, and there is a special cheese they use, almost exclusively found in St. Louis...and I forget the name of it that they use.  Wash U is by Forest Park, nice OLD area of St. Louis.  At least that's how I remember it from 26 years ago when my family lived there.  I was still young when we moved up to Iowa.  Warthog could probably tell you better about the St. Louis area. 

Big fan of super thin crust dog.  If i make it down, i am going to have to try that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 12, 2008, 01:45:13 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 12, 2008, 08:30:14 PM
Thanks Pat!

I would've missed out.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 13, 2008, 04:09:40 PM
Is there a game tomorrow?  Anyone know who is playing?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 13, 2008, 09:19:51 PM
BV at Washington in St Louis.  Should be a very good game and BV will be an underdog again.  Washington was preseason #1 after finishing 3rd last year.  They have the national player of the year in Troy Ruths.  Im very excited for the game and will be leaving at 10am tomorrow to head to the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 13, 2008, 10:22:11 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 13, 2008, 04:09:40 PM
Is there a game tomorrow?  Anyone know who is playing?

Have you been buried under too many tax returns or what?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2008, 12:35:07 AM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on March 13, 2008, 09:19:51 PM
BV at Washington in St Louis.  Should be a very good game and BV will be an underdog again.  Washington was preseason #1 after finishing 3rd last year.  They have the national player of the year in Troy Ruths.

No, they don't. Troy Ruths won the Jostens Award, which is given out to a student-athlete who excels on the court, in the classroom, and in the community. It's not an MVP type of award.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 14, 2008, 12:53:14 AM
Alright sorry my bad but it still speaks a lot about his game and obviously his classroom work
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2008, 01:32:33 AM
Ruths was an honorable mention All-American last season as a junior. This season he'll probably be a first- or second-team All-American, third-team at worst.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on March 14, 2008, 08:51:30 AM
Is there any way to watch the game today online?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 09:42:29 AM
Quote from: The Show on March 13, 2008, 10:22:11 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 13, 2008, 04:09:40 PM
Is there a game tomorrow?  Anyone know who is playing?

Have you been buried under too many tax returns or what?  ;D

Yes, but trying hard to dig my way out. 

Mostly, just trying to stir up some conversation about Wash U and the match up for tonight. 

You're not buried in twice the dirty diapers yet are you?   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 14, 2008, 08:43:20 PM
Live stats and play-by-play links can be found here:
http://www2.bvu.edu/athletics/fullarticle.jsp?id=7602&category=Men's%20Basketball

3baller - still about 6 weeks out from double duty!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on March 14, 2008, 11:02:02 PM
Live stats says BV down 1 w/ 17 seconds left but WU with the rock.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 11:03:50 PM
tied w/ .8 seconds left... 71-71.................Cleveland hit a three to tie
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on March 14, 2008, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 11:03:50 PM
tied w/ .8 seconds left... 71-71.................Cleveland hit a three to tie
Beat me to it.  I can't get the audio feed to work so I'm living off these live stats.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on March 14, 2008, 11:06:56 PM
Steal by Franklin...we're going to OT.  9-3 BV run to close out regulation.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 14, 2008, 11:07:34 PM
Looks like BV hits a 3 after WU goes up by 3 after two free throws...the FTs happen around the 7 second mark...according to semi live stats!  OT at 71 apiece.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 11:15:59 PM
turnover city for the beavers tonight.... 29 so far.  42.7 seconds left w/ beavers down 79-76 after a 3 point play by fogleman
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 11:18:12 PM
Wash U w/ 5 pt lead w/ 29 seconds to go...beaver basketball after the time-out
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 11:19:56 PM
30th turnover... 81-76 w/ Wash U at the line for 2 freethrows
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 11:20:59 PM
8.8 seconds left .........down 7......need a Reggie Miller miracle
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 11:23:10 PM
Wash U wins 85-77 final (OT) 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on March 14, 2008, 11:24:55 PM
Turnovers were the killer it sounds like.  BV ended up shooting better than 50%, hit 9 threes, and outrebounded Wash U.  But when you give up that many possessions, no good can come of it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 14, 2008, 11:45:56 PM
Tough loss for the Beavers tonight in OT.

Great run for the IIAC in the tourny, should help out for the upcoming year(s).

Good news for BV, they return 4 starters and basically a 5th with Stribe.

Congrats to the seniors on a great year and an outstanding career!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 15, 2008, 08:10:36 AM
Congrats to BV for taking a very good Wash U into OT.  Especially taking a very good Wash U to OT when it sounds like BV wasn't playing their best game of the year.  Sounds like you will be loaded for bear next season with so many returning. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 15, 2008, 10:04:30 AM
In case you don't look at the UAA board under "Multi-Regional Topics", I just want to share with you my post there about last night's Wash U BV game.

"Very exciting game at Wash U tonight. Buena Vista is a very good team. Tough man defense, well disciplined yet fast paced offense, poised, confident, well coached. Wash U allowing them only one point in the final 4:30 of the first half could have been the difference in the game. They defended Ruths very well, but he still got 18 points in regulation, none in the OT. Some timely steals and BV having to foul late in the OT sealed the W for the Bears. I've seen a lot of games this season, but maybe only one or two as good as this one. And BV has a lot coming back next year. Wouldn't be surprised to see them advancing in the tournament again. Yet Wash U showed why they are tough to beat. They just keep working and working and get it done."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 15, 2008, 08:06:50 PM
Just got back from the game and what a tough loss for the beavers.  Beavers were up by as many as 13 in the first half and went dry.  Difference in the game was the turnovers.  Wash U scored 32 points of the turnovers and you can't win with 29 turnovers.  Wagner had another great game with 22 points but his stats are misleading cuz he shot 3 3's in the last 30 secs from deep with none of them falling.  BV had a very good student section at the game and were very loud.  I had a player from Wash U come up to me after the game and ask how far our drive was cuz we brought a lot of people and we were crazy and i think he hit it right on the head.  Tough game for the seniors to go out on because they had great careers.  Future is still very bright with 3 returning starters and Stribe.  Its not four because Franklin and Pearson are both seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 16, 2008, 09:26:52 AM
According to the roster on the website...

15
Travis Person
G/F
6-6
220
Jr.
Tipton, Iowa/Tipton

???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on March 14, 2008, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 11:03:50 PM
tied w/ .8 seconds left... 71-71.................Cleveland hit a three to tie
Beat me to it.  I can't get the audio feed to work so I'm living off these live stats.

Should've gone out to the front page of D3hoops.com, where we had our own audio feed from all four men's sectionals.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 16, 2008, 07:18:44 PM
that would have been good information to post before the game started
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 07:43:04 PM
We did post it before the game started and we've been broadcasting games the entire tournament. You really should visit D3hoops.com and look at it instead of coming straight to the message board. Look at what you missed ...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on March 16, 2008, 09:44:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 06:30:40 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on March 14, 2008, 11:05:59 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 14, 2008, 11:03:50 PM
tied w/ .8 seconds left... 71-71.................Cleveland hit a three to tie
Beat me to it.  I can't get the audio feed to work so I'm living off these live stats.

Should've gone out to the front page of D3hoops.com, where we had our own audio feed from all four men's sectionals.

Fair point.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 16, 2008, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 07:43:04 PM
We did post it before the game started and we've been broadcasting games the entire tournament. You really should visit D3hoops.com and look at it instead of coming straight to the message board. Look at what you missed ...

I didn't miss anything.  I listened using the link from www.bvu.edu.  I wasn't aware that D3hoops.com had audio for all the games, and it appears others weren't aware of that fact either.  So, it seems D3hoops didn't do a very good job of getting the word out, unless they weren't trying to promote their link. 

Is it that difficult to have a link from the "posting up" page to www.d3hoops.com instead of D3sports.com?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 16, 2008, 11:31:21 PM
um, 3baller, there are links to d3hoops, d3baseball, d3soccer, and d3football at the top of the post up page (unless you come ONLY to the IIAC page).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 17, 2008, 08:53:38 AM
Quote from: 3baller on March 16, 2008, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2008, 07:43:04 PM
We did post it before the game started and we've been broadcasting games the entire tournament. You really should visit D3hoops.com and look at it instead of coming straight to the message board. Look at what you missed ...

I didn't miss anything.  I listened using the link from www.bvu.edu.  I wasn't aware that D3hoops.com had audio for all the games, and it appears others weren't aware of that fact either.  So, it seems D3hoops didn't do a very good job of getting the word out, unless they weren't trying to promote their link. 

Is it that difficult to have a link from the "posting up" page to www.d3hoops.com instead of D3sports.com?

Is it that difficult to perhaps look for some important news on D3hoops.com? Plus every time you refresh the page there are links at the top of it -- you posted enough times on Friday night that the links would've scrolled past you many times.

Thousands of people listened to our games -- the word got out. We also informed the schools, but not every school passed along the information. Our audio is the perfect backup for "I can't get the audio link to work."

I've said it for years -- people who come straight to the message board are missing out.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 19, 2008, 05:35:17 AM
Pat you were at the BV/ Wash U game.  Could you give some insight on the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 19, 2008, 11:10:05 AM
I don't mean to brush you off, but it's a busy time of year.

Bob Quillman and I each discussed it ... although somewhat briefly ... on Hoopsville. We appeared back to back in the third hour. The show is archived here:

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2008/03/16/hoopsville-podcast-mar-16th/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 19, 2008, 03:29:46 PM
Very understandable...keep up the good work.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 22, 2008, 10:14:35 PM
WOW!The Beavers got beat in o.t by the NATIONAL CHAMPS
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on March 22, 2008, 10:20:59 PM
ON THEIR HOME COURT MIND YOU
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 23, 2008, 09:42:29 PM
And Dubuque took BV to the last second on BV's home court!!!

Congrats to BV.  Losing a tough one to Wash U when BV wasn't playing that great shows how tough the IIAC is!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 23, 2008, 09:49:05 PM
keep going and you'll get Luther beating North Carolina.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 23, 2008, 09:52:17 PM
Quote from: Old School.... (Tom Doebler) on March 23, 2008, 09:49:05 PM
keep going and you'll get Luther beating North Carolina.  ::)

The Luther JV!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 23, 2008, 10:26:10 PM
Congratulations to Andre Wagner and Kyle White for making the NABC All-West District 1st Team.

VH was also named District Coach of the Year!

There's no doubt that this conference can go toe-to-toe with the best of them...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 23, 2008, 10:26:34 PM
Oh yeah, Happy Easter everybody!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on March 24, 2008, 12:32:01 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 23, 2008, 09:42:29 PM
And Dubuque took BV to the last second on BV's home court!!!

Congrats to BV.  Losing a tough one to Wash U when BV wasn't playing that great shows how tough the IIAC is!!!

Let's also not forget that Coe lost 68-63 at Wash U., lost 64-63 at home to BV and beat BV 83-78 in Storm Lake.

I think that shows alot of good for the Iowa Conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 24, 2008, 02:08:58 AM
I think it says a lot about the BV team.  I was at the Wash U game and with 31 turnovers you wont be anybody.  To still have a lead of 13 in the second half and lose in overtime to the National Champs just proves how good of a team BV was.   As was said on the hoopsville show, not many teams have the size of BV with Fogelman and Cleveland along with Fredrichsen and Arndorfer.  BV returns a very good starting line up next year but will lack some depth.  I think they have talent but not much experience behind what probably will be the starting line up from what i hear in Wagner at PG possibly, Stribe at the 2, Pearson at the 3, and Fogelman and Cleveland down low.  If BV can put more weight on the 7 footer gute and bring him farther along it will add depth downlow with some good JV players in the system in Osbourne at the Point, Parker at the 3 probably, Mosher at a 2 position and Millea filling in down low possibly.  Im excited for next season already cuz  a very good BV team will be hungery after being so close to going even deeper in the tourney
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on March 25, 2008, 10:06:32 AM
Congratulations to Kyle White.  Second Team All-American.  Does anyone know the last time taht anyone acheived this high of an honor from the IIAC?  Couldn't disagree with a player that deserves it more.  I would have liked to see Kuenstling get a little more recognition for an outstanding career at Coe.  (I guess three years of 1st team IIAC is enough.) 

Just to get the ball rolling, any predictions on next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2008, 11:23:32 AM
Adam Jones was a first-teamer in 2002.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on March 25, 2008, 11:40:12 AM
Adam Doll was 1st and 2nd team in 98 and 99 according to D3hoops as well.  Other than that, I saw nobody else from IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on March 27, 2008, 10:50:11 AM
A quick congratulations to the basketball programs at Loras and Buena Vista.  Their tournament success will provide the IIAC many years of additional consideration when 'at large'selections are made.  Ironically, even Coe competed well this year against the eventual national champion!  My hunch is it will be another Duhawk vs Beaver competition for conference champion in 2009! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on March 27, 2008, 06:33:22 PM
Where is the top talent in the state heading next fall.  Anyone one have any information on recuiting for any of the IIAC schools?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 01, 2008, 02:47:26 PM
I read in W-CF Courier on Sunday that Charles City product Josh Molestead is transferring from UNI to Wartburg.

Most IIAC players will decide soon since Financial aid packages are arriving in the mail.

Waverly - SR guard Dane Larson is choosing between Wartburg and Luther.

ISU transfer Clayton Vette is looking @ Winona St + Wartburg. - He is WORKING for  and WORKING OUT at the "W"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on April 03, 2008, 01:22:23 PM
Rumor has it that Ross Timmermans will be playing at Wartburg next year.  Once again Wartburg stealing another player from Coe.  First football now basketball?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 03, 2008, 01:59:07 PM
You have evidence of tampering or are you just throwing allegations out to see what sticks?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 03, 2008, 02:14:21 PM
Full Court- Haven't heard that but I'll check into it.

I hope you ARE kidding about stealing... that's the way I'm taking it. Because I don't think Peth's are building a new house. javascript:replaceText(' ;D', document.forms.postmodify.message);


FYI  - The F-baller is also running track and had a great time in the 200 @ Mizzou.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on April 03, 2008, 06:01:10 PM
I'm sure that there is no tampering or cheating.  I'm just being a little sarcastic.  I'm sure this was a decision for him to make on his own.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 04, 2008, 07:00:06 AM
Quote from: Full Court Sorcerer on April 03, 2008, 01:22:23 PM
Rumor has it that Ross Timmermans will be playing at Wartburg next year.  Once again Wartburg stealing another player from Coe.  First football now basketball?

I have found out Mr. Timmermans is expected to enroll @ WARTBURG next fall. I have also heard he spent part/all of last year @ Kirkwood.

Other recruiting news
Jordan Sattoff (Pekin) - WARTBURG ;D
Dane Larson (W-SR)  - Luther  :(
Clayton Vette - Winona State.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on April 04, 2008, 01:59:17 PM
I had a hard time believing that Vette would be playing in the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on April 06, 2008, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on April 04, 2008, 07:00:06 AM
Other recruiting news...
Dane Larson (W-SR)  - Luther  :(
A W-SR BBaller @ Luther, Wow

I toured the 'W' recently ... impressive
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 07, 2008, 03:09:19 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on April 06, 2008, 11:52:29 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on April 04, 2008, 07:00:06 AM
Other recruiting news...
Dane Larson (W-SR)  - Luther  :(
A W-SR BBaller @ Luther, Wow

I toured the 'W' recently ... impressive
Remember Luther's coach Franzen, used to be here @ Wartburg as an assistant and would also work summer camps when they were in the old gym (before he hire @ LC) , so I think they had a pretty good relationship before.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Oakrugnuck Tree on April 09, 2008, 03:57:48 PM
Looks like BV will have a pretty good class for next year.  Andy Puhrmann (averaged 20.3 a game for South O'Brien) and the Ellerbroek twins from 1A state champion NU High in Cedar Falls will be going along with a kid from Minnesota whose name escapes me, but supposedly averaged over 20 a game.  BV loses some great reserves and a starter or two, but they look to be stockpiling with some young talent.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on April 10, 2008, 11:59:23 AM
BV lost one starter in point guard Franklin that will be missed very much.  They also lost their reserve point guard so that is the only concern with the starting line up.  I think Wagner might move to point with his dribbling skills but it wont effect the rest of his play in my opinion.  Stribe will probably move into the line up which he started the season at before an injury and he finished the rest of the season coming off the bench. 

I havent heard much about recruits or potential ones but those sound like some pretty good numbers.  Do you know of anybody else that is looking into BV?  I haven't heard much from a recruit stand point but i know last weekend there were a couple of recruits from the omaha area here for our Cultural leadership weekend that stayed with wagner.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Oakrugnuck Tree on April 10, 2008, 03:53:59 PM
I go to school with Andy, so I've heard from him that the twins, the Minnesota player, and him are all going there next year.  VH basically told him that they were recruiting six kids.  Looks like they got four of them so it's entirely possible that there are a couple more that might be coming.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on April 10, 2008, 05:19:54 PM
Very good to hear.  I saw on Iowa Sports Connection that he was a Honorable Mention All State Player.  One of the twins was a 1st team all state and the other was honorable mention as well.  Do you happen to know how tall each of these players are and their weight.  Probably wont see a lot of time their first year because there is some serious talent in the senior class and the other players still there
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Oakrugnuck Tree on April 10, 2008, 11:29:18 PM
Andy is about 6'1" (maybe a little taller) and weighs about 175-180 lbs, will play the one or the two obviously.  I know the Ellerbroek twins are both 6'4", but I'm not sure about their weights.  Not sure about anything on the Minnesota kid.  But yes, some decent size and some really good athletes from what I've seen and heard.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on April 13, 2008, 07:10:20 PM
I'm pretty sure there's a Petersen recruit coming up from Audubon.  Little brother of former BV standout Chris Petersen.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on April 13, 2008, 11:20:17 PM
Quote from: The Show on April 13, 2008, 07:10:20 PM
I'm pretty sure there's a Petersen recruit coming up from Audubon.  Little brother of former BV standout Chris Petersen.

If little brother plays like older brother did, he will do alright. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 14, 2008, 09:55:33 AM
Looks like the rich are getting richer at BV!!!

I always love hearing recruiting news...can't get enough of it...even if it isn't for the team I follow. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on April 14, 2008, 04:05:05 PM
The younger peterson is Stefan Peterson i believe and he was first team all conference Western Iowa.  2A 2nd Team ALL State according to Des Moines Register.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: minneapolis miracle on April 21, 2008, 11:08:52 PM
Long time guest but first time member of the board.  With all the news about BV's recruits does anyone know of any other commitments to schools in the IIAC?  Specifically Coe?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 22, 2008, 09:40:32 AM
Quote from: minneapolis miracle on April 21, 2008, 11:08:52 PM
Long time guest but first time member of the board.  With all the news about BV's recruits does anyone know of any other commitments to schools in the IIAC?  Specifically Coe?

Welcome to the board.  Tell anybody you know that follows D3 about this site.  It's a great place. 

While I love hearing about recruiting news I have no information at all. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 24, 2008, 11:05:42 AM
Miracle,
Welcome. I think we'll know more the closer / after  May 1 deadline a lot of schools are setting.

I posted some info on some Wartburg recruits on page 110.

AEN
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 24, 2008, 01:46:42 PM
Iowa High Schools coaching ranks lose a good one - Cedar Fall's Jerry Slykhuis steps down

http://wcfcourier.com/articles/2008/04/24/sports/local/doc48109eed72bd9460006117.txt

Article says Snow Valley is coming back to Waverly/Wartburg after being @ Luther during the construction of the W.

AEN
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on April 24, 2008, 10:41:28 PM
Loras lands big time recruit out of Chicago burbs......6'8'' big man.....all state....that will help when replacing White and Slater!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 25, 2008, 12:42:29 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on April 24, 2008, 01:46:42 PM
Iowa High Schools coaching ranks lose a good one - Cedar Fall's Jerry Slykhuis steps down


Sly is an all-time great coach and person.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on April 26, 2008, 12:54:49 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on April 24, 2008, 10:41:28 PM
Loras lands big time recruit out of Chicago burbs......6'8'' big man.....all state....that will help when replacing White and Slater!

I assume you are referring to Dan Pawelski of Neuqua Valley in Naperville.  He's tall and has some skills, but I wouldn't hype him up too much.  I'd be surprised if he contributes significantly until his JR year at Loras, and I don't really see him becoming more than a 10 ppg/7 rpg kind of player.   

He'll be a solid, useful big man as an upperclassmen, and this is certainly a good pick up for Loras.  Just saying, this isn't one to over-hype.   In my opinion, he does not belong anywhere near the players on the IBCA 3A/4A 4th Team all-state...

http://ibcaillinois.org/3A4ABoysState.php

Pawelski picked Loras over Augustana and North Central of the CCIW.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on May 02, 2008, 10:26:54 AM
None the less still a big pickup for Loras......he had to be pretty good if IWU, Augie, and NC were all heavily recruiting him.......6'8'' post that completely improved his game from Jr - Sr year, is always a great sign for a post.....look for him to have a terrific career at Loras......Come his last two years at Loras he will be a force.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 02, 2008, 12:49:17 PM
I think it was John Wooden that said, "fast players get tired and slow down.  Tall players don't get shorter"

Always nice to have some height on the team.  I knew a 6'10" player in high school that was so uncoordinated that he couldn't dunk a basketball.  But, he got a schollie to a D-II school because they looked at him as a project and figured they could teach him to be a good player.  Never heard how it turned out though. 

This kid might not turn out to be a 4 year starter for Loras but if he sticks to it and works hard he could have a great career there.  And this is from a Spartan fan!!!  What am I doing???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on May 02, 2008, 11:06:03 PM
You can't teach height
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on May 03, 2008, 04:04:47 AM
Which is why im excited to continue to see how BVs 7'1 Gute can progress now that he might get to see more time at the varsity level.  Haven't been able to see much of him but i dont see a lot of guys in the IIAC being able to guard a 7 footer if he can develop some more down low game and put more weight on he could be a force the finals 2 years of his career. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 03, 2008, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on May 02, 2008, 10:26:54 AM
None the less still a big pickup for Loras......he had to be pretty good if IWU, Augie, and NC were all heavily recruiting him.......6'8'' post that completely improved his game from Jr - Sr year, is always a great sign for a post.....look for him to have a terrific career at Loras......Come his last two years at Loras he will be a force.

A source very close to the situation and recruitment process of Danny Pawelski advises that a primary reason he chose Loras over Augie and North Central was that he didn't feel he had an adequate skill level to allow him to play effectively in the CCIW, and that he felt he would have a better chance for success in the IIAC. I saw him play several times this season and concur. Keep in mind I'm not knocking the conference, just reporting the facts, which come form an unimpeachable source. Danny has improved and certainly has the potential for further improvement. However, Duhawk fans will need to be patient. I can guarantee you that he won't immediately be filling the void left by the graduating big men. I believe the term "project" is very applicable here. Good luck to him.

MORE RECRUITING NEWS-----------

On a secondary note, playing at Loras will afford Danny the chance to team with another incoming Duhawk frosh from Benet Academy in Lisle, the town immediately east of Naperville where Danny (Naperville, IL/Neuqua Valley) is from. Brian Gaughan, Benet's 6'0" point guard will also attend Loras. I believe Danny and Brian are friends and played AAU ball together. Brian is the son of Benet's head coach, and even though a point, never met a shot he didn't like. When he is hot he can score in bunches, but when he is cold, your grandpa could hit a higher percentage.
Brian will need to learn to exhibit his other skills,  and not keep firing bricks on those nights when he isn't "on,"  to be successful at the next level.     

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 04, 2008, 12:47:05 AM
Quote from: AndOne on May 03, 2008, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on May 02, 2008, 10:26:54 AM
None the less still a big pickup for Loras......he had to be pretty good if IWU, Augie, and NC were all heavily recruiting him.......6'8'' post that completely improved his game from Jr - Sr year, is always a great sign for a post.....look for him to have a terrific career at Loras......Come his last two years at Loras he will be a force.

A source very close to the situation and recruitment process of Danny Pawelski advises that a primary reason he chose Loras over Augie and North Central was that he didn't feel he had an adequate skill level to allow him to play effectively in the CCIW, and that he felt he would have a better chance for success in the IIAC. I saw him play several times this season and concur. Keep in mind I'm not knocking the conference, just reporting the facts, which come form an unimpeachable source. Danny has improved and certainly has the potential for further improvement. However, Duhawk fans will need to be patient. I can guarantee you that he won't immediately be filling the void left by the graduating big men. I believe the term "project" is very applicable here. Good luck to him.

MORE RECRUITING NEWS-----------

On a secondary note, playing at Loras will afford Danny the chance to team with another incoming Duhawk frosh from Benet Academy in Lisle, the town immediately east of Naperville where Danny (Naperville, IL/Neuqua Valley) is from. Brian Gaughan, Benet's 6'0" point guard will also attend Loras. I believe Danny and Brian are friends and played AAU ball together. Brian is the son of Benet's head coach, and even though a point, never met a shot he didn't like. When he is hot he can score in bunches, but when he is cold, your grandpa could hit a higher percentage.
Brian will need to learn to exhibit his other skills,  and not keep firing bricks on those nights when he isn't "on,"  to be successful at the next level.     

AO, maybe your grandpa (or Brian's grandpa), but my grandpas died 45 and 52 years ago - show a little respect for your elders! ;D 

On the other hand, my dad (now 89) had a pretty sweet shot right up to 4-5 years ago. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 05, 2008, 01:30:48 AM
A 6'8 player is always worth a roll of the dice for a D3 school. But the point here is that fans scanning the agate to check for committed recruits ought to be apprised if that 6'8 incoming freshman is a roll of the dice or a much safer bet for success than that.

I wouldn't leap to any conclusions about a player being "a force" as a junior or a senior. Lots of big men never pan out at all. The odds on a coaching staff turning a 6'8 project into a solid rotation-level big man in D3 are not all that high, just as they aren't that high for D1 and D2 coaches working with 6'10 projects.

Of course, you never know. High school performance frequently doesn't translate into college performance, and skill sets and developmental tracks change from year to year for players -- and not necessarily at the same rate as their peers. Pawelski may simply be a late bloomer, as big men often are. I'm just saying that it's folly to predict that he'll be "a force" as a junior or a senior when that's not even a given for a blue chip -- and Pawelski, as has been stated by Titan Q and AO, is not a blue chip.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on May 05, 2008, 10:44:07 AM
From Dbq Newspaper:

Dubuque wins Ruh recruiting chase: Dubuque Hempstead basketball player Eric Ruh has chosen to play at the University of Dubuque.

Ruh, a guard who averaged 12.4 points for the Mustangs in an all-Mississippi Valley Conference honorable-mention season in 2007-08, chose Dubuque over Clarke, St. Ambrose and Ashford.

Ruh joins a talented Dubuque roster that includes former Senior guard Taylor Blum.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 05, 2008, 11:56:13 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on May 05, 2008, 10:44:07 AM
From Dbq Newspaper:

Dubuque wins Ruh recruiting chase: Dubuque Hempstead basketball player Eric Ruh has chosen to play at the University of Dubuque.

Ruh, a guard who averaged 12.4 points for the Mustangs in an all-Mississippi Valley Conference honorable-mention season in 2007-08, chose Dubuque over Clarke, St. Ambrose and Ashford.

Ruh joins a talented Dubuque roster that includes former Senior guard Taylor Blum.

Has anybody heard anything regarding the 3 players from Clarke that were considering transferring...with Dubuque at the top of their lists if they did choose to leave Clarke???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on May 06, 2008, 08:47:58 AM
From the Suburban Chicago Herald-News
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/sports/930861,4_2_JO04_BROOK_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/sports/930861,4_2_JO04_BROOK_S1.article):

Guard Eljah Hunt, who missed a large portion of his senior season because of injury, is moving on to Wartburg College in Waverly, Iowa, a strong NCAA Division III program.

"Given that Elijah has not been playing since Christmas, I'm really happy for him and his family," Brost said. "He's going to Wartburg for next to nothing, with the combination of academics and the ability to play basketball that he has.

"He's a 6-3 guard who no question would have been all-area if he hadn't gotten hurt. The three games before he got hurt, he had three big games."

Hunt, who averaged 8.2 points, first injured an ankle. In the first practice back, he broke the thumb on his shooting hand. He appeared in 15 games, but sparingly in many of those.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on May 06, 2008, 08:51:49 AM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on May 03, 2008, 04:04:47 AM
Which is why im excited to continue to see how BVs 7'1 Gute can progress now that he might get to see more time at the varsity level.  Haven't been able to see much of him but i dont see a lot of guys in the IIAC being able to guard a 7 footer if he can develop some more down low game and put more weight on he could be a force the finals 2 years of his career. 

I wouldn't get too excited.  Let's not forget that this is Division 3 ball.  If there was a guy that tall that had the potential to become even a decent player, someone from a higher division would have snatched him up.  To call the guys that fall through the cracks "projects" is fairly generous, because in most situations, they require time and effort from the coaching staff that can be better spent on other things.

I remember a 7-2 guy that played a Loras a couple years ago (was originally from Sweden or something like that) that, despite his size, was probably the worst player on the floor at any given time.  He was way to slow to defend anybody and had such poor footwork that he could be defended one-on-one by guys much smaller (6-7 inches shorter).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 08, 2008, 06:36:01 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on May 06, 2008, 08:47:58 AM
From the Suburban Chicago Herald-News
http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/sports/930861,4_2_JO04_BROOK_S1.article (http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/sports/930861,4_2_JO04_BROOK_S1.article):

Guard Eljah Hunt, who missed a large portion of his senior season because of injury, is moving on to Wartburg College in Waverly, Iowa, a strong NCAA Division III program.

"Given that Elijah has not been playing since Christmas, I'm really happy for him and his family," Brost said. "He's going to Wartburg for next to nothing, with the combination of academics and the ability to play basketball that he has.

"He's a 6-3 guard who no question would have been all-area if he hadn't gotten hurt. The three games before he got hurt, he had three big games."

Hunt, who averaged 8.2 points, first injured an ankle. In the first practice back, he broke the thumb on his shooting hand. He appeared in 15 games, but sparingly in many of those.


Does anyone else find the bolded statement fishy.  Is the evil empire hading out donations to well rounded basketball players ;D

Of course I kid, but the statement could lead one to believe this. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 08, 2008, 06:42:29 PM
Guys.  Arn't all d3 athletes with the exception of a few works in progress or "projects" in general?  Basketball might be an exception, and I am willing to hear what people think. 

But here is my point.  Isnt the reason most kids go to d3 is not because they are in love with the level of play, but more that their level of play matches d3.  I have never heard of a kid growing up saying I want to play for BV one day.  Now there are exceptions such as coaches kids and kids in the community.  But once these kids reach the age where they understand what a d1 team is, do they strive for this?  I would assume so, my dream way to play for the Hawkeyes.  When I graduated high school I was 6' 200lb pulling guard.  Not exactally Iowa Hawkeye material!

My sport was football, but most of the kids that I came in with had talent, but were works in progress.  We neeed to add more weight, gain more strength, get faster, learn the game more from better coaching.  These all things that I was provided. 

I do see the point in a 7' 1" kid coming to BV and not playing right away.  Obviously the kid has two left feet or else he would not be roaming the hardwood for the Beavers.  I will agree with Greg on the idea of placing the "force" tag on a kids before he has even enrolled in the college.  Of course the coaches have a plan, but a lot can happen over the next two years.  He could fail out, quit, get hurt, transfer.  Way to many unknowns to throw that idea around. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on May 08, 2008, 10:48:07 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 08, 2008, 06:42:29 PM
Guys.  Arn't all d3 athletes with the exception of a few works in progress or "projects" in general?  Basketball might be an exception, and I am willing to hear what people think. 

But here is my point.  Isnt the reason most kids go to d3 is not because they are in love with the level of play, but more that their level of play matches d3.  I have never heard of a kid growing up saying I want to play for BV one day.  Now there are exceptions such as coaches kids and kids in the community.  But once these kids reach the age where they understand what a d1 team is, do they strive for this?  I would assume so, my dream way to play for the Hawkeyes.  When I graduated high school I was 6' 200lb pulling guard.  Not exactally Iowa Hawkeye material!

My sport was football, but most of the kids that I came in with had talent, but were works in progress.  We neeed to add more weight, gain more strength, get faster, learn the game more from better coaching.  These all things that I was provided. 

I do see the point in a 7' 1" kid coming to BV and not playing right away.  Obviously the kid has two left feet or else he would not be roaming the hardwood for the Beavers.  I will agree with Greg on the idea of placing the "force" tag on a kids before he has even enrolled in the college.  Of course the coaches have a plan, but a lot can happen over the next two years.  He could fail out, quit, get hurt, transfer.  Way to many unknowns to throw that idea around. 


The 7 Footer i would be referring to is Gute who will be a junior next year.  He has been in the system for 2 years and caught behind some very good posts in Fogelman, Cleveland, Fredrichsen, and Arndorfer.  With 2 of those guys graduating he could see some back up minutes next year and i think do a decent job.  Obviously he was a big project but practicing with those guys everyday has to help him and i think could provide a quality minutes and year next year.  VH is a great coach and we will see how he uses him next year.  He made a great coaching move to put him on the ball in the game against Wash U to make the inbounds play difficult and it worked out for him.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 08, 2008, 11:16:28 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on May 08, 2008, 10:48:07 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 08, 2008, 06:42:29 PM
Guys.  Arn't all d3 athletes with the exception of a few works in progress or "projects" in general?  Basketball might be an exception, and I am willing to hear what people think. 

But here is my point.  Isnt the reason most kids go to d3 is not because they are in love with the level of play, but more that their level of play matches d3.  I have never heard of a kid growing up saying I want to play for BV one day.  Now there are exceptions such as coaches kids and kids in the community.  But once these kids reach the age where they understand what a d1 team is, do they strive for this?  I would assume so, my dream way to play for the Hawkeyes.  When I graduated high school I was 6' 200lb pulling guard.  Not exactally Iowa Hawkeye material!

My sport was football, but most of the kids that I came in with had talent, but were works in progress.  We neeed to add more weight, gain more strength, get faster, learn the game more from better coaching.  These all things that I was provided. 

I do see the point in a 7' 1" kid coming to BV and not playing right away.  Obviously the kid has two left feet or else he would not be roaming the hardwood for the Beavers.  I will agree with Greg on the idea of placing the "force" tag on a kids before he has even enrolled in the college.  Of course the coaches have a plan, but a lot can happen over the next two years.  He could fail out, quit, get hurt, transfer.  Way to many unknowns to throw that idea around. 


The 7 Footer i would be referring to is Gute who will be a junior next year.  He has been in the system for 2 years and caught behind some very good posts in Fogelman, Cleveland, Fredrichsen, and Arndorfer.  With 2 of those guys graduating he could see some back up minutes next year and i think do a decent job.  Obviously he was a big project but practicing with those guys everyday has to help him and i think could provide a quality minutes and year next year.  VH is a great coach and we will see how he uses him next year.  He made a great coaching move to put him on the ball in the game against Wash U to make the inbounds play difficult and it worked out for him.

I am comparing apples and oranges, and by that I mean football and basketball.  When I played football at BV, we had a few mosters who stood on the sidelines.  I saw opposing teams with mosters sanding on the sidelines.  My point, you knew when you saw a junior who was the size of White hall standing on the sidelines, you knew he did not have a whole lot of talent. 

VH is a great coach and could probably leave BV and have his pick of many coaching vacancies.  He will get the best out of Gute, but I think we can all agree that the kid is not the most talented, and will not have realistic chance to start till his senior year.  To that point he may never start and play sparingly.  But he has done one thing, he has stuck it out to date, and that shows great charecter in the kid. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 09, 2008, 01:14:27 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 08, 2008, 06:42:29 PM
Guys.  Arn't all d3 athletes with the exception of a few works in progress or "projects" in general?

Not really. The quintessential D3 basketball player is a kid who is either currently maxing out his potential for his age and talent level, or is within sight of it. D3 is full of players who are fundamentally sound, mentally adept, and hard workers, but who are a step too slow, two inches too short, or twenty pounds too light (or some combination of the three) to play at the scholarship level. This is especially true of perimeter players, but it's true of a lot of big men as well.

You usually see the "project" tag applied to a big man, because if you have a 6'8 player at this level who can contribute positively in any way, shape, or form on the floor you have a decided advantage. Thing is, it's not that easy to find a 6'8 high school basketball player who fits the D3 bill of fundamental soundness, mental aptitude, and a strong work ethic who isn't already getting scholarship offers. This is especially true for an IIAC program; as strong as Loras has made itself in recent seasons, it's still a member of a middling D3 conference that thus has a certain disadvantage when it goes up against CCIW or WIAC programs for an Illinois-based prospect. If you're 6'8 and up, you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you have both the money and the grades to get into school, and you've expressed a willingness to play the game in college and to work hard at improving at it, it's a pretty good bet that an IIAC program will take you and make the commitment to try to mold you into a decent player even if you demonstrated limited ability in high school.

I'm not saying that Dan Pawelski has two left feet, a la the Buena Vista seven-footer. I've never seen Pawelski play. But my guess, based on what I've been told about him, is that his ceiling as a player is too modest for him to be unilaterally declared a future "force", sight unseen, as a Loras upperclassman. As I said, you can't even make that declaration with certitude for a genuine blue-chip.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 09, 2008, 05:53:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 09, 2008, 01:14:27 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 08, 2008, 06:42:29 PM
Guys.  Arn't all d3 athletes with the exception of a few works in progress or "projects" in general?

Not really. The quintessential D3 basketball player is a kid who is either currently maxing out his potential for his age and talent level, or is within sight of it. D3 is full of players who are fundamentally sound, mentally adept, and hard workers, but who are a step too slow, two inches too short, or twenty pounds too light (or some combination of the three) to play at the scholarship level. This is especially true of perimeter players, but it's true of a lot of big men as well.

You usually see the "project" tag applied to a big man, because if you have a 6'8 player at this level who can contribute positively in any way, shape, or form on the floor you have a decided advantage. Thing is, it's not that easy to find a 6'8 high school basketball player who fits the D3 bill of fundamental soundness, mental aptitude, and a strong work ethic who isn't already getting scholarship offers. This is especially true for an IIAC program; as strong as Loras has made itself in recent seasons, it's still a member of a middling D3 conference that thus has a certain disadvantage when it goes up against CCIW or WIAC programs for an Illinois-based prospect. If you're 6'8 and up, you can walk and chew gum at the same time, you have both the money and the grades to get into school, and you've expressed a willingness to play the game in college and to work hard at improving at it, it's a pretty good bet that an IIAC program will take you and make the commitment to try to mold you into a decent player even if you demonstrated limited ability in high school.

I'm not saying that Dan Pawelski has two left feet, a la the Buena Vista seven-footer. I've never seen Pawelski play. But my guess, based on what I've been told about him, is that his ceiling as a player is too modest for him to be unilaterally declared a future "force", sight unseen, as a Loras upperclassman. As I said, you can't even make that declaration with certitude for a genuine blue-chip.

Greg point taken and nice post.  That explained better some of the things that I was not privey to.  Like I have said in posts before that I was comparing basketball and football in regards to project players. 

Basketball is a sport where freshman can play right away and make great contributions. Basketball is also a sport where a person like LBJ can jump from high school to the Cavs.  No one ever sees a kid jump from quarterback of Naperville North the Chicago Bears.  It just can not happen. 

So I did paint the project kid with a broad brush across all d3 sports.  As one person said to me early in my football career, "if your playing as a freshman you are either a great talent or you team has no depth". 

Now Greg back to your posts.  With what you have said, this has to make recruiting the d3 level of basketball increasingly difficult, espically if you are in lower tier team in a lower tier conference. 

I hope to see the IIAC continue to compete on the national level.  BV play the eventual national champion very closely.  But that does not mean that the IIAC deserve national attention now.  It will take many years of continued success to achieve that status. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on May 09, 2008, 08:20:26 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on May 08, 2008, 10:48:07 PM
VH is a great coach and we will see how he uses him next year.  He made a great coaching move to put him on the ball in the game against Wash U to make the inbounds play difficult and it worked out for him.

VH read my mind on that one.  We had just watched Harlan lose the 3A title game the night before on a lob pass to past halfcourt and a turnaround hail mary went in.  I instructed my wife, you need to guard the inbounds pass!  I received my "who cares?" look.  So the following night, BV's in the same spot, and VH puts Gute over the ball.  Great decision and they win the ball game. I gave my wife the "I told you so" speech...

I said it before when they were recruiting Gute, if he continues to improve like he did between his junior and senior year of high school, he will be a very good player for BV.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on May 09, 2008, 08:41:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 09, 2008, 01:14:27 AM
This is especially true for an IIAC program; as strong as Loras has made itself in recent seasons, it's still a member of a middling D3 conference that thus has a certain disadvantage when it goes up against CCIW or WIAC programs for an Illinois-based prospect.

Not that BV goes after many Illinois prospects, but the IIAC displayed how it could compete with the WIAC this past tourny...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 10, 2008, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 09, 2008, 05:53:48 PMNow Greg back to your posts.  With what you have said, this has to make recruiting the d3 level of basketball increasingly difficult, espically if you are in lower tier team in a lower tier conference. 

Yep. That's why I have enormous respect for the coaches who are the primary recruiters for their D3 programs, whether it's the head coaches themselves or their chief assistants. Getting good players at this level is an uphill battle, and that's especially true if your school isn't a member of a glamour conference or a publicity magnet.

Quote from: The Show on May 09, 2008, 08:41:27 PMNot that BV goes after many Illinois prospects, but the IIAC displayed how it could compete with the WIAC this past tourny...

Whoa, fella. That is one serious overstatement. Buena Vista beats UWSP in a tourney game, and all of a sudden the IIAC as a whole is competing with the WIAC as a whole? You might want to rethink that declaration.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 10, 2008, 05:48:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 10, 2008, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 09, 2008, 05:53:48 PMNow Greg back to your posts.  With what you have said, this has to make recruiting the d3 level of basketball increasingly difficult, espically if you are in lower tier team in a lower tier conference. 

Yep. That's why I have enormous respect for the coaches who are the primary recruiters for their D3 programs, whether it's the head coaches themselves or their chief assistants. Getting good players at this level is an uphill battle, and that's especially true if your school isn't a member of a glamour conference or a publicity magnet.

Quote from: The Show on May 09, 2008, 08:41:27 PMNot that BV goes after many Illinois prospects, but the IIAC displayed how it could compete with the WIAC this past tourny...

Whoa, fella. That is one serious overstatement. Buena Vista beats UWSP in a tourney game, and all of a sudden the IIAC as a whole is competing with the WIAC as a whole? You might want to rethink that declaration.

Whoa Greg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.  Show in no way said the IIAC as a whole is competing as a whole against the WIAC. 

The IIAC showed this year that we can compete once tourney time starts.  Lets hope the IIAC contiunes to prove this for years to come.  Sending two teams to the big dance next year and going 0-2 and BBQ will prove nothing. 

Maybe I should add in some coachspeak ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on May 12, 2008, 10:25:19 PM
Loras beat Wisconsin Whitewater as well but that doesnt prove IIAC is better than WIAC but they did perform last year very well in the tournament
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on May 12, 2008, 10:48:48 PM
Quote from: SLP-O-8 on May 12, 2008, 10:25:19 PM
Loras beat Wisconsin Whitewater as well but that doesnt prove IIAC is better than WIAC but they did perform last year very well in the tournament

That occurred to me right away - I kept wondering how long until an IIAC poster would mention it! :D

This is not exactly a beehive of activity in the off-season.  And belated congratulations on a fine postseason! ;D  Almost certainy the WIAC is still overall superior to the IIAC in bball, but you don't need to take any sh!t from them THIS year!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 13, 2008, 01:08:20 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 10, 2008, 05:48:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 10, 2008, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 09, 2008, 05:53:48 PMNow Greg back to your posts.  With what you have said, this has to make recruiting the d3 level of basketball increasingly difficult, espically if you are in lower tier team in a lower tier conference. 

Yep. That's why I have enormous respect for the coaches who are the primary recruiters for their D3 programs, whether it's the head coaches themselves or their chief assistants. Getting good players at this level is an uphill battle, and that's especially true if your school isn't a member of a glamour conference or a publicity magnet.

Quote from: The Show on May 09, 2008, 08:41:27 PMNot that BV goes after many Illinois prospects, but the IIAC displayed how it could compete with the WIAC this past tourny...

Whoa, fella. That is one serious overstatement. Buena Vista beats UWSP in a tourney game, and all of a sudden the IIAC as a whole is competing with the WIAC as a whole? You might want to rethink that declaration.

Whoa Greg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.  Show in no way said the IIAC as a whole is competing as a whole against the WIAC.

Actually, that's exactly what he said. Look at his quote again: "the IIAC displayed how it could compete with the WIAC this past tourney." There was no mention of the two specific teams involved (Buena Vista and UWSP). Instead, he cited each conference as a whole. Plus, he did not confine the context of his remark to the 2008 tourney; in fact, he inserted the comment into a discussion (current recruiting within the state of Illinois involving IIAC, CCIW, and WIAC programs) that had nothing to do with the 2008 tourney.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 10, 2008, 05:48:10 PMThe IIAC showed this year that we can compete once tourney time starts.

... and now you're doing the same thing as Show! You're substituting the IIAC as a whole for Buena Vista, and the WIAC as a whole for UWSP. Plus, you're asserting that this ability of the IIAC to compete with the WIAC is an ongoing condition, rather than a one-off as demonstrated by Buena Vista's win over UWSP. That has not yet been proven. Yes, the IIAC did go 3-1 against the WIAC this past season -- but that has to be qualified by the fact that four games is a small sample size. Plus, two of those three wins were by the IIAC's two best teams, Buena Vista and Loras. The more indicative sample size is how the two leagues have fared against each other over the past seven seasons (which is as far back as the IIAC records go). Since 2001-02, the WIAC has a pretty commanding 34-16 advantage over the IIAC in head-to-head contests, and last season was the only season out of those seven in which the IIAC won more games against the big boys on the other side of the river than they lost.

I understand yours and Show's desire to extend the success of Buena Vista and Loras to the rest of the league vis-a-vis the WIAC, but it doesn't work that way. You don't measure a league's strength by its topmost elite; you measure it by the entire league from top to bottom. Are Buena Vista and Loras competitive with the WIAC (and, by extension, just about everyone else in D3)? Based upon the past couple of seasons, the answer appears to be yes. Is the IIAC competitive with the WIAC -- which, again, given the WIAC's prowess would mean that the IIAC is competitive with the CCIW, the UAA, the NESCAC, and pretty much every other league in the division? The answer is no.

Look, Hope reached the Final Four last season, but not even the most ardent MIAA supporter would tell you that the MIAA is anything but a middle-tier conference at this point. It has very good programs at the top, but Hope, Calvin, and Albion are balanced out by some very bad programs at the bottom of the league. In 2007 Wooster advanced to the Final Four, and the year before that Wittenberg made it to Salem -- and yet in neither year would you see an NCAC fan tout that league as one of the best in D3. Again, the top of the league could play with anybody, but the bottom was so dreadful that it evened out the Wooster and Wittenberg teams and left the NCAC at a level of mediocrity.

If you want to assert that the IIAC is competitive with the WIAC -- and, again, keep in mind that the WIAC is the league by which everyone else in D3 has been measured over the past two decades -- then you have to prove it while considering all nine IIAC teams, not just the top one or two. And if you want to assert that IIAC teams are as good as the WIAC's when March rolls around, you're gonna have to prove it by having an IIAC representative actually reach the Final Four. No IIAC team has ever made it to the season's final weekend. The WIAC, by contrast, has made eleven trips to the Final Four and has come away with eight national championships -- and they've achieved that in significantly less time within the D3 ranks than the IIAC has had.

SLP-O-8 has the right perspective; the Loras win over UWW and the Buena Vista win over UWSP don't justify any grand statements made on behalf of the IIAC against the WIAC. What they mean is that the IIAC has a couple of very solid Top 25 level programs at the moment. That's enough of an achievement to enjoy if you're a Duhawks fan or a Beavers fan without overreaching by saying that the IIAC is on the same competitive level as the WIAC, either in March or throughout the entire season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on May 13, 2008, 06:26:46 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 13, 2008, 01:08:20 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 10, 2008, 05:48:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 10, 2008, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 09, 2008, 05:53:48 PMNow Greg back to your posts.  With what you have said, this has to make recruiting the d3 level of basketball increasingly difficult, espically if you are in lower tier team in a lower tier conference. 

Yep. That's why I have enormous respect for the coaches who are the primary recruiters for their D3 programs, whether it's the head coaches themselves or their chief assistants. Getting good players at this level is an uphill battle, and that's especially true if your school isn't a member of a glamour conference or a publicity magnet.

Quote from: The Show on May 09, 2008, 08:41:27 PMNot that BV goes after many Illinois prospects, but the IIAC displayed how it could compete with the WIAC this past tourny...

Whoa, fella. That is one serious overstatement. Buena Vista beats UWSP in a tourney game, and all of a sudden the IIAC as a whole is competing with the WIAC as a whole? You might want to rethink that declaration.

Whoa Greg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.  Show in no way said the IIAC as a whole is competing as a whole against the WIAC.

Actually, that's exactly what he said. Look at his quote again: "the IIAC displayed how it could compete with the WIAC this past tourney." There was no mention of the two specific teams involved (Buena Vista and UWSP). Instead, he cited each conference as a whole. Plus, he did not confine the context of his remark to the 2008 tourney; in fact, he inserted the comment into a discussion (current recruiting within the state of Illinois involving IIAC, CCIW, and WIAC programs) that had nothing to do with the 2008 tourney.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 10, 2008, 05:48:10 PMThe IIAC showed this year that we can compete once tourney time starts.

... and now you're doing the same thing as Show! You're substituting the IIAC as a whole for Buena Vista, and the WIAC as a whole for UWSP. Plus, you're asserting that this ability of the IIAC to compete with the WIAC is an ongoing condition, rather than a one-off as demonstrated by Buena Vista's win over UWSP. That has not yet been proven. Yes, the IIAC did go 3-1 against the WIAC this past season -- but that has to be qualified by the fact that four games is a small sample size. Plus, two of those three wins were by the IIAC's two best teams, Buena Vista and Loras. The more indicative sample size is how the two leagues have fared against each other over the past seven seasons (which is as far back as the IIAC records go). Since 2001-02, the WIAC has a pretty commanding 34-16 advantage over the IIAC in head-to-head contests, and last season was the only season out of those seven in which the IIAC won more games against the big boys on the other side of the river than they lost.

I understand yours and Show's desire to extend the success of Buena Vista and Loras to the rest of the league vis-a-vis the WIAC, but it doesn't work that way. You don't measure a league's strength by its topmost elite; you measure it by the entire league from top to bottom. Are Buena Vista and Loras competitive with the WIAC (and, by extension, just about everyone else in D3)? Based upon the past couple of seasons, the answer appears to be yes. Is the IIAC competitive with the WIAC -- which, again, given the WIAC's prowess would mean that the IIAC is competitive with the CCIW, the UAA, the NESCAC, and pretty much every other league in the division? The answer is no.

Look, Hope reached the Final Four last season, but not even the most ardent MIAA supporter would tell you that the MIAA is anything but a middle-tier conference at this point. It has very good programs at the top, but Hope, Calvin, and Albion are balanced out by some very bad programs at the bottom of the league. In 2007 Wooster advanced to the Final Four, and the year before that Wittenberg made it to Salem -- and yet in neither year would you see an NCAC fan tout that league as one of the best in D3. Again, the top of the league could play with anybody, but the bottom was so dreadful that it evened out the Wooster and Wittenberg teams and left the NCAC at a level of mediocrity.

If you want to assert that the IIAC is competitive with the WIAC -- and, again, keep in mind that the WIAC is the league by which everyone else in D3 has been measured over the past two decades -- then you have to prove it while considering all nine IIAC teams, not just the top one or two. And if you want to assert that IIAC teams are as good as the WIAC's when March rolls around, you're gonna have to prove it by having an IIAC representative actually reach the Final Four. No IIAC team has ever made it to the season's final weekend. The WIAC, by contrast, has made eleven trips to the Final Four and has come away with eight national championships -- and they've achieved that in significantly less time within the D3 ranks than the IIAC has had.

SLP-O-8 has the right perspective; the Loras win over UWW and the Buena Vista win over UWSP don't justify any grand statements made on behalf of the IIAC against the WIAC. What they mean is that the IIAC has a couple of very solid Top 25 level programs at the moment. That's enough of an achievement to enjoy if you're a Duhawks fan or a Beavers fan without overreaching by saying that the IIAC is on the same competitive level as the WIAC, either in March or throughout the entire season.

Can we at least say that the IIAC is closing the gap a bit over the last 2-3 years? UD beat a ranked Platteville team 2 years ago, Loras and BV had success this year..feels like the wins are against the top half of the WIAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 13, 2008, 06:31:01 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 13, 2008, 01:08:20 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 10, 2008, 05:48:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 10, 2008, 12:46:38 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 09, 2008, 05:53:48 PMNow Greg back to your posts.  With what you have said, this has to make recruiting the d3 level of basketball increasingly difficult, espically if you are in lower tier team in a lower tier conference. 

Yep. That's why I have enormous respect for the coaches who are the primary recruiters for their D3 programs, whether it's the head coaches themselves or their chief assistants. Getting good players at this level is an uphill battle, and that's especially true if your school isn't a member of a glamour conference or a publicity magnet.

Quote from: The Show on May 09, 2008, 08:41:27 PMNot that BV goes after many Illinois prospects, but the IIAC displayed how it could compete with the WIAC this past tourny...

Whoa, fella. That is one serious overstatement. Buena Vista beats UWSP in a tourney game, and all of a sudden the IIAC as a whole is competing with the WIAC as a whole? You might want to rethink that declaration.

Whoa Greg!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.  Show in no way said the IIAC as a whole is competing as a whole against the WIAC.

Actually, that's exactly what he said. Look at his quote again: "the IIAC displayed how it could compete with the WIAC this past tourney." There was no mention of the two specific teams involved (Buena Vista and UWSP). Instead, he cited each conference as a whole. Plus, he did not confine the context of his remark to the 2008 tourney; in fact, he inserted the comment into a discussion (current recruiting within the state of Illinois involving IIAC, CCIW, and WIAC programs) that had nothing to do with the 2008 tourney.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 10, 2008, 05:48:10 PMThe IIAC showed this year that we can compete once tourney time starts.

... and now you're doing the same thing as Show! You're substituting the IIAC as a whole for Buena Vista, and the WIAC as a whole for UWSP. Plus, you're asserting that this ability of the IIAC to compete with the WIAC is an ongoing condition, rather than a one-off as demonstrated by Buena Vista's win over UWSP. That has not yet been proven. Yes, the IIAC did go 3-1 against the WIAC this past season -- but that has to be qualified by the fact that four games is a small sample size. Plus, two of those three wins were by the IIAC's two best teams, Buena Vista and Loras. The more indicative sample size is how the two leagues have fared against each other over the past seven seasons (which is as far back as the IIAC records go). Since 2001-02, the WIAC has a pretty commanding 34-16 advantage over the IIAC in head-to-head contests, and last season was the only season out of those seven in which the IIAC won more games against the big boys on the other side of the river than they lost.

I understand yours and Show's desire to extend the success of Buena Vista and Loras to the rest of the league vis-a-vis the WIAC, but it doesn't work that way. You don't measure a league's strength by its topmost elite; you measure it by the entire league from top to bottom. Are Buena Vista and Loras competitive with the WIAC (and, by extension, just about everyone else in D3)? Based upon the past couple of seasons, the answer appears to be yes. Is the IIAC competitive with the WIAC -- which, again, given the WIAC's prowess would mean that the IIAC is competitive with the CCIW, the UAA, the NESCAC, and pretty much every other league in the division? The answer is no.

Look, Hope reached the Final Four last season, but not even the most ardent MIAA supporter would tell you that the MIAA is anything but a middle-tier conference at this point. It has very good programs at the top, but Hope, Calvin, and Albion are balanced out by some very bad programs at the bottom of the league. In 2007 Wooster advanced to the Final Four, and the year before that Wittenberg made it to Salem -- and yet in neither year would you see an NCAC fan tout that league as one of the best in D3. Again, the top of the league could play with anybody, but the bottom was so dreadful that it evened out the Wooster and Wittenberg teams and left the NCAC at a level of mediocrity.

If you want to assert that the IIAC is competitive with the WIAC -- and, again, keep in mind that the WIAC is the league by which everyone else in D3 has been measured over the past two decades -- then you have to prove it while considering all nine IIAC teams, not just the top one or two. And if you want to assert that IIAC teams are as good as the WIAC's when March rolls around, you're gonna have to prove it by having an IIAC representative actually reach the Final Four. No IIAC team has ever made it to the season's final weekend. The WIAC, by contrast, has made eleven trips to the Final Four and has come away with eight national championships -- and they've achieved that in significantly less time within the D3 ranks than the IIAC has had.

SLP-O-8 has the right perspective; the Loras win over UWW and the Buena Vista win over UWSP don't justify any grand statements made on behalf of the IIAC against the WIAC. What they mean is that the IIAC has a couple of very solid Top 25 level programs at the moment. That's enough of an achievement to enjoy if you're a Duhawks fan or a Beavers fan without overreaching by saying that the IIAC is on the same competitive level as the WIAC, either in March or throughout the entire season.

Greg two questions before I begin.    

1.)  Have you even been wrong?
2.)  Are you a lawyer?

Okay those were just for fun and a little friendly ribbing ;D

I find the WIAC and IIAC comparision to be apples to oranges considering many other factors.  If you want to break this down to the level that you have, lets start comparing some apples to apples.  

Compare WIAC size of school to IIAC size of school:  Advantage WIAC

Compare tution costs between the WIAC and IIAC:  Advantage WIAC

Compare the red shirting policy between the WIAC and IIAC:  Advantage WIAC
(I know this rule has changed)

When you start to compare some of the tangible items, it is clear why the WIAC should dominate the IIAC.  Going 31-16 over the past 7 years is not half bad if you really want to think about it.  Compare the Big Ten to the ACC.  The ACC dominates the win/loss record but take a look at the programs there compared to the Big Ten.  

You make comparisions between the IIAC and the CCIW.  The CCIW should be much better than the IIAC.  Look at the population the CCIW servers compared to the IIAC.  Look at the cities that these schools are located in compared to the IIAC.  

Wheaton is thriving community as you well know nesseled in between two rather well known cities:  Aurora and Naperville.  Buena Vista is in a packing plant town that is surrounded by a lack luster lake and corn fields.  

My only point is that on paper the WIAC and CCIW should blow the doors off the IIAC year in and year out.  But you have some teams making a small amount of noise coming from a state who has less population as a whole than the city of Chicago proper.  


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 14, 2008, 03:26:51 AM
Quote from: keith45 on May 13, 2008, 06:26:46 PMCan we at least say that the IIAC is closing the gap a bit over the last 2-3 years? UD beat a ranked Platteville team 2 years ago, Loras and BV had success this year..feels like the wins are against the top half of the WIAC?

I think that that's a fair assessment, Keith.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 13, 2008, 06:31:01 PMI find the WIAC and IIAC comparision to be apples to oranges considering many other factors.  If you want to break this down to the level that you have, lets start comparing some apples to apples.  

Compare WIAC size of school to IIAC size of school:  Advantage WIAC

Compare tution costs between the WIAC and IIAC:  Advantage WIAC

Compare the red shirting policy between the WIAC and IIAC:  Advantage WIAC
(I know this rule has changed)

When you start to compare some of the tangible items, it is clear why the WIAC should dominate the IIAC.  Going 31-16 over the past 7 years is not half bad if you really want to think about it.  Compare the Big Ten to the ACC.  The ACC dominates the win/loss record but take a look at the programs there compared to the Big Ten.  

You make comparisions between the IIAC and the CCIW.  The CCIW should be much better than the IIAC.  Look at the population the CCIW servers compared to the IIAC.  Look at the cities that these schools are located in compared to the IIAC.  

Wheaton is thriving community as you well know nesseled in between two rather well known cities:  Aurora and Naperville.  Buena Vista is in a packing plant town that is surrounded by a lack luster lake and corn fields.  

My only point is that on paper the WIAC and CCIW should blow the doors off the IIAC year in and year out.  But you have some teams making a small amount of noise coming from a state who has less population as a whole than the city of Chicago proper.

That's a nice try to shift the playing field for the discussion, Klop, but it's not gonna work.  ;) None of this stuff is relevant to the issue at hand, which is the (incorrect, IMHO) assertion that the IIAC is competitive with the WIAC based upon Buena Vista's win over UWSP two months ago. I'll take this as a sign that you've conceded that point, and move on. :D

As for what you've said about the IIAC's disadvantages, well ... seems to me that you're stating the obvious here. Although school size, a redshirting policy made illegal three years ago, and the relative winsomeness of Wheaton, IL as compared to Storm Lake, IA aren't nearly as relevant to the success of a basketball team (or lack thereof) as are a lot of other factors, I think everyone agrees that the IIAC has some built-in disadvantages to overcome. On the other hand, it has some advantages as well: A location in a state renowned as a high school basketball hotbed (as compared to the MIAC, f'rinstance, which is located in a hockey-mad state in which a lot of young athletes opt to play that other winter sport); schools that have long and solid reputations both as educational institutions and as basketball programs; a relative dearth of small-school competition for recruiting (there's only the Midwest Collegiate Conference, and the Great Plains Athletic Conference in the far northwestern corner of the state); etc.

Every league has its pluses and minuses in terms of the environment within which it operates. You make do with what you have. It seems to me that Buena Vista has succeeded in making do with what it has (and I would imagine that its #1 resource, or close to it, in terms of fielding a successful men's basketball team is the presence of Brian Van Haaften), and Loras is getting there as well in terms of maximizing advantages (Loras, for example, is making the most of its geographical location by recruiting lots of Chicagolanders). It's up to the rest of the IIAC's programs to avoid moaning about their disadvantages and wallowing in self-pity over them, and to find their advantages and utilize them.

Why? Because, as much as you claim that it's apples against oranges, the fact of the matter is that it's an all-fruit division, not just a division for apples. :D Division III doesn't hold a special tournament in March for conferences from underpopulated states. You're asked to play teams from the UAA, the CCIW, the WIAC, the MIAC, etc., and that's the situation with which you have to deal. And at the end of the day, nobody's going to care if you say, "Well, we only win 32% of our games against the WIAC, but their schools are cheaper to attend and have better gyms than ours," or, "Well, we've never made it to the Final Four, but we have all this stuff working against us so no one should ever expect us to make it to the Final Four." All that people ultimately care about is the bottom line. To use the famous paraphrase of Al Davis, "Just win, baby."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 14, 2008, 03:54:25 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 14, 2008, 03:26:51 AM

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 13, 2008, 06:31:01 PMI find the WIAC and IIAC comparision to be apples to oranges considering many other factors.  If you want to break this down to the level that you have, lets start comparing some apples to apples. 

Compare WIAC size of school to IIAC size of school:  Advantage WIAC

Compare tution costs between the WIAC and IIAC:  Advantage WIAC

Compare the red shirting policy between the WIAC and IIAC:  Advantage WIAC
(I know this rule has changed)

When you start to compare some of the tangible items, it is clear why the WIAC should dominate the IIAC.  Going 31-16 over the past 7 years is not half bad if you really want to think about it.  Compare the Big Ten to the ACC.  The ACC dominates the win/loss record but take a look at the programs there compared to the Big Ten. 

You make comparisions between the IIAC and the CCIW.  The CCIW should be much better than the IIAC.  Look at the population the CCIW servers compared to the IIAC.  Look at the cities that these schools are located in compared to the IIAC. 

Wheaton is thriving community as you well know nesseled in between two rather well known cities:  Aurora and Naperville.  Buena Vista is in a packing plant town that is surrounded by a lack luster lake and corn fields. 

My only point is that on paper the WIAC and CCIW should blow the doors off the IIAC year in and year out.  But you have some teams making a small amount of noise coming from a state who has less population as a whole than the city of Chicago proper.

That's a nice try to shift the playing field for the discussion, Klop, but it's not gonna work.  ;) None of this stuff is relevant to the issue at hand, which is the (incorrect, IMHO) assertion that the IIAC is competitive with the WIAC based upon Buena Vista's win over UWSP two months ago. I'll take this as a sign that you've conceded that point, and move on. :D

As for what you've said about the IIAC's disadvantages, well ... seems to me that you're stating the obvious here. Although school size, a redshirting policy made illegal three years ago, and the relative winsomeness of Wheaton, IL as compared to Storm Lake, IA aren't nearly as relevant to the success of a basketball team (or lack thereof) as are a lot of other factors, I think everyone agrees that the IIAC has some built-in disadvantages to overcome. On the other hand, it has some advantages as well: A location in a state renowned as a high school basketball hotbed (as compared to the MIAC, f'rinstance, which is located in a hockey-mad state in which a lot of young athletes opt to play that other winter sport); schools that have long and solid reputations both as educational institutions and as basketball programs; a relative dearth of small-school competition for recruiting (there's only the Midwest Collegiate Conference, and the Great Plains Athletic Conference in the far northwestern corner of the state); etc.

Every league has its pluses and minuses in terms of the environment within which it operates. You make do with what you have. It seems to me that Buena Vista has succeeded in making do with what it has (and I would imagine that its #1 resource, or close to it, in terms of fielding a successful men's basketball team is the presence of Brian Van Haaften), and Loras is getting there as well in terms of maximizing advantages (Loras, for example, is making the most of its geographical location by recruiting lots of Chicagolanders). It's up to the rest of the IIAC's programs to avoid moaning about their disadvantages and wallowing in self-pity over them, and to find their advantages and utilize them.

Why? Because, as much as you claim that it's apples against oranges, the fact of the matter is that it's an all-fruit division, not just a division for apples. :D Division III doesn't hold a special tournament in March for conferences from underpopulated states. You're asked to play teams from the UAA, the CCIW, the WIAC, the MIAC, etc., and that's the situation with which you have to deal. And at the end of the day, nobody's going to care if you say, "Well, we only win 32% of our games against the WIAC, but their schools are cheaper to attend and have better gyms than ours," or, "Well, we've never made it to the Final Four, but we have all this stuff working against us so no one should ever expect us to make it to the Final Four." All that people ultimately care about is the bottom line. To use the famous paraphrase of Al Davis, "Just win, baby."

Greg-----

I sense that you'll find a multitude of coaches and players at a significant number of member institutions who might vociferously object to being referred to or associated with being any member of the "fruit" family!!!!
;)   :)   ;D   :o  ???   ::)   :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 14, 2008, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 13, 2008, 06:31:01 PM

Wheaton is thriving community as you well know nesseled in between two rather well known cities:  Aurora and Naperville.  Buena Vista is in a packing plant town that is surrounded by a lack luster lake and corn fields. 


Klop----

I think you'll find that the primary reasons most student-athletes who choose Wheaton College do so are because of the combination of the excellent education available there combined with the school's religious philosophy. NOT because its nestled between the well known cities of Naperville and Aurora. In fact, Aurora, which has several beautiful subdivisions, ranks high in gang activity, drug use, and murder rate. Not exactly things Wheaton students are usually associated with.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 14, 2008, 08:20:47 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 14, 2008, 03:26:51 AM
Quote from: keith45 on May 13, 2008, 06:26:46 PMCan we at least say that the IIAC is closing the gap a bit over the last 2-3 years? UD beat a ranked Platteville team 2 years ago, Loras and BV had success this year..feels like the wins are against the top half of the WIAC?

I think that that's a fair assessment, Keith.

Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 13, 2008, 06:31:01 PMI find the WIAC and IIAC comparision to be apples to oranges considering many other factors.  If you want to break this down to the level that you have, lets start comparing some apples to apples.  

Compare WIAC size of school to IIAC size of school:  Advantage WIAC

Compare tution costs between the WIAC and IIAC:  Advantage WIAC

Compare the red shirting policy between the WIAC and IIAC:  Advantage WIAC
(I know this rule has changed)

When you start to compare some of the tangible items, it is clear why the WIAC should dominate the IIAC.  Going 31-16 over the past 7 years is not half bad if you really want to think about it.  Compare the Big Ten to the ACC.  The ACC dominates the win/loss record but take a look at the programs there compared to the Big Ten.  

You make comparisions between the IIAC and the CCIW.  The CCIW should be much better than the IIAC.  Look at the population the CCIW servers compared to the IIAC.  Look at the cities that these schools are located in compared to the IIAC.  

Wheaton is thriving community as you well know nesseled in between two rather well known cities:  Aurora and Naperville.  Buena Vista is in a packing plant town that is surrounded by a lack luster lake and corn fields.  

My only point is that on paper the WIAC and CCIW should blow the doors off the IIAC year in and year out.  But you have some teams making a small amount of noise coming from a state who has less population as a whole than the city of Chicago proper.

That's a nice try to shift the playing field for the discussion, Klop, but it's not gonna work.  ;) None of this stuff is relevant to the issue at hand, which is the (incorrect, IMHO) assertion that the IIAC is competitive with the WIAC based upon Buena Vista's win over UWSP two months ago. I'll take this as a sign that you've conceded that point, and move on. :D

As for what you've said about the IIAC's disadvantages, well ... seems to me that you're stating the obvious here. Although school size, a redshirting policy made illegal three years ago, and the relative winsomeness of Wheaton, IL as compared to Storm Lake, IA aren't nearly as relevant to the success of a basketball team (or lack thereof) as are a lot of other factors, I think everyone agrees that the IIAC has some built-in disadvantages to overcome. On the other hand, it has some advantages as well: A location in a state renowned as a high school basketball hotbed (as compared to the MIAC, f'rinstance, which is located in a hockey-mad state in which a lot of young athletes opt to play that other winter sport); schools that have long and solid reputations both as educational institutions and as basketball programs; a relative dearth of small-school competition for recruiting (there's only the Midwest Collegiate Conference, and the Great Plains Athletic Conference in the far northwestern corner of the state); etc.

Every league has its pluses and minuses in terms of the environment within which it operates. You make do with what you have. It seems to me that Buena Vista has succeeded in making do with what it has (and I would imagine that its #1 resource, or close to it, in terms of fielding a successful men's basketball team is the presence of Brian Van Haaften), and Loras is getting there as well in terms of maximizing advantages (Loras, for example, is making the most of its geographical location by recruiting lots of Chicagolanders). It's up to the rest of the IIAC's programs to avoid moaning about their disadvantages and wallowing in self-pity over them, and to find their advantages and utilize them.

Why? Because, as much as you claim that it's apples against oranges, the fact of the matter is that it's an all-fruit division, not just a division for apples. :D Division III doesn't hold a special tournament in March for conferences from underpopulated states. You're asked to play teams from the UAA, the CCIW, the WIAC, the MIAC, etc., and that's the situation with which you have to deal. And at the end of the day, nobody's going to care if you say, "Well, we only win 32% of our games against the WIAC, but their schools are cheaper to attend and have better gyms than ours," or, "Well, we've never made it to the Final Four, but we have all this stuff working against us so no one should ever expect us to make it to the Final Four." All that people ultimately care about is the bottom line. To use the famous paraphrase of Al Davis, "Just win, baby."

Greg I had moved on past the BV win over UWSP.  Sorry if that was not clear.    I was mainly trying to bring out some comprisions between the WIAC and IIAC.  I was also trying to expand upon Keiths point some.  Evidently I did a piss poor job of doing that. 

My other point was cost and popultion size.  The amount of kids that a conference like the CCIW has to pull from vs. the IIAC.  Which is why I assume IIAC teams recruit Illinois. 

I will say that Iowa does play some good high school basketball.  I would argue that Iowa is more know as a "hotbed" for high school wrestling rather than high school basketball.  But I will let you tell me what you think about that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 14, 2008, 08:24:25 AM
Quote from: AndOne on May 14, 2008, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 13, 2008, 06:31:01 PM

Wheaton is thriving community as you well know nesseled in between two rather well known cities:  Aurora and Naperville.  Buena Vista is in a packing plant town that is surrounded by a lack luster lake and corn fields. 


Klop----

I think you'll find that the primary reasons most student-athletes who choose Wheaton College do so are because of the combination of the excellent education available there combined with the school's religious philosophy. NOT because its nestled between the well known cities of Naperville and Aurora. In fact, Aurora, which has several beautiful subdivisions, ranks high in gang activity, drug use, and murder rate. Not exactly things Wheaton students are usually associated with.

AndOne that was not my point.  My point was population size only.  I know the Aurora and Naperville area very well.  My point was that if you take Wheaton College look at the high schools they have to recruit in the immediate area.  I know kids go to Wheaton for the education and not for the nightlife or the proximity to Aurora.  If you wanted night life in the Chicagoland region then go to DePaul and live in Lincoln Park. 

Nequa Valley HS
Waubonsie Valley HS
Both Oswego High School
Naperville North
Batavia HS
Wheaton Warrenville HS
St. Charles
Elgin
Joliet Catholic

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 14, 2008, 03:11:45 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 14, 2008, 08:24:25 AM
Quote from: AndOne on May 14, 2008, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 13, 2008, 06:31:01 PM

Wheaton is thriving community as you well know nesseled in between two rather well known cities:  Aurora and Naperville.  Buena Vista is in a packing plant town that is surrounded by a lack luster lake and corn fields. 


Klop----

I think you'll find that the primary reasons most student-athletes who choose Wheaton College do so are because of the combination of the excellent education available there combined with the school's religious philosophy. NOT because its nestled between the well known cities of Naperville and Aurora. In fact, Aurora, which has several beautiful subdivisions, ranks high in gang activity, drug use, and murder rate. Not exactly things Wheaton students are usually associated with.

AndOne that was not my point.  My point was population size only.  I know the Aurora and Naperville area very well.  My point was that if you take Wheaton College look at the high schools they have to recruit in the immediate area.  I know kids go to Wheaton for the education and not for the nightlife or the proximity to Aurora.  If you wanted night life in the Chicagoland region then go to DePaul and live in Lincoln Park. 

Nequa Valley HS
Waubonsie Valley HS
Both Oswego High School
Naperville North
Batavia HS
Wheaton Warrenville HS
St. Charles
Elgin
Joliet Catholic


Klop---

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your original point relative only to population density.

Wheaton College does not really draw many recruits from the high schools you cited above. Most Wheaton players come from various locations throughout the United States, drawn principally to Wheaton by its religious ideology. Among the schools cited, the only player I can think of that played for Wheaton recently was Drew Olson from WW South. He was a freshman on the Wheaton roster during the 06-07 season, but did not actually appear in any games that season, and was not a member of this year's team. The one most obvious omission from your list of local high schools is Wheaton North which sent Andrew Jahns to WC this year. He saw considerable action as a freshman this year, and became a starter around the mid point in the season. Wheaton team manager Josh Lawrenz is also from Wheaton North, and next year Steve Pierotti, another North product, will be a member of the Thunder basketball team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 14, 2008, 04:34:04 PM
Quote from: AndOne on May 14, 2008, 03:11:45 PM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 14, 2008, 08:24:25 AM
Quote from: AndOne on May 14, 2008, 04:37:25 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 13, 2008, 06:31:01 PM

Wheaton is thriving community as you well know nesseled in between two rather well known cities:  Aurora and Naperville.  Buena Vista is in a packing plant town that is surrounded by a lack luster lake and corn fields. 


Klop----

I think you'll find that the primary reasons most student-athletes who choose Wheaton College do so are because of the combination of the excellent education available there combined with the school's religious philosophy. NOT because its nestled between the well known cities of Naperville and Aurora. In fact, Aurora, which has several beautiful subdivisions, ranks high in gang activity, drug use, and murder rate. Not exactly things Wheaton students are usually associated with.

AndOne that was not my point.  My point was population size only.  I know the Aurora and Naperville area very well.  My point was that if you take Wheaton College look at the high schools they have to recruit in the immediate area.  I know kids go to Wheaton for the education and not for the nightlife or the proximity to Aurora.  If you wanted night life in the Chicagoland region then go to DePaul and live in Lincoln Park. 

Nequa Valley HS
Waubonsie Valley HS
Both Oswego High School
Naperville North
Batavia HS
Wheaton Warrenville HS
St. Charles
Elgin
Joliet Catholic


Klop---

I'm sorry if I misinterpreted your original point relative only to population density.

Wheaton College does not really draw many recruits from the high schools you cited above. Most Wheaton players come from various locations throughout the United States, drawn principally to Wheaton by its religious ideology. Among the schools cited, the only player I can think of that played for Wheaton recently was Drew Olson from WW South. He was a freshman on the Wheaton roster during the 06-07 season, but did not actually appear in any games that season, and was not a member of this year's team. The one most obvious omission from your list of local high schools is Wheaton North which sent Andrew Jahns to WC this year. He saw considerable action as a freshman this year, and became a starter around the mid point in the season. Wheaton team manager Josh Lawrenz is also from Wheaton North, and next year Steve Pierotti, another North product, will be a member of the Thunder basketball team. 

AndOne...Thanks for the information, that was interesting.  I was not taking into consideration religous views that would only appeal to a small portion of the population, rather the basing my point off of the shear amount of population/high school size that Wheaton is in close proximity to. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on May 14, 2008, 05:54:16 PM
Klop,

A couple of points.  Number one, how many full-time paid coaches are in the IIAC?  Not every school like it is in Wisconsin.

A counter point however.  BV has a larger territory to recruit from that basically is untouched by any other four year institution.  Why haven't they been rolling through IIAC every year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on May 14, 2008, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: Full Court Sorcerer on May 14, 2008, 05:54:16 PM
Klop,

A couple of points.  Number one, how many full-time paid coaches are in the IIAC?  Not every school like it is in Wisconsin.

A counter point however.  BV has a larger territory to recruit from that basically is untouched by any other four year institution.  Why haven't they been rolling through IIAC every year?

BV has a large area to recruit from?  I guess if you consider corn towns with populations of 2,000 people and 15 senior boys in the high schools a great recruiting area, then YES BV does have a great recruiting area.  I know I did over simplify this but you get my point. 

One, finding kids who will come to Storm Lake is a battle in its self.  Two being out in the middle of nowhere does not help.  Souix City has produced a whole lot of nothing.  You ask why BV hasnt been rolling through the IIAC.  I will argue since VH has been at the helm BV has been quite impressive in the IIAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 15, 2008, 03:10:31 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on May 14, 2008, 04:34:04 PMAndOne...Thanks for the information, that was interesting.  I was not taking into consideration religous views that would only appeal to a small portion of the population, rather the basing my point off of the shear amount of population/high school size that Wheaton is in close proximity to. 

To reinforce AndOne's point, Wheaton is the only school in the CCIW that doesn't recruit locally, but rather nationally. When a Wheaton-area kid enrolls at Wheaton College to play sports, it's either a coincidence (more or less) or else he or she has some sort of a personal link to the school (legacy, family member works for Wheaton, Wheaton student-athletes attend the kid's church during the school year, etc.).

I'm not discounting the fact that the CCIW benefits from the quantity and quality of talent in Chicagoland -- it most certainly does -- but keep in mind that the number of small-college programs and mid-major D1s that are vying for the same Chicagoland prospects is huge. It's not unusual for a good D3-level Chicagoland prospect to rattle off the names of six or seven local schools (and maybe even two or three non-local schools) that're chasing him.

Also, a lot of good CCIW players over the years have been downstate farmboys analogous to the sort of kids you see on IIAC teams. This has particularly been true of the three downstate CCIW schools (Augustana, Illinois Wesleyan, and Millikin), and it's increasingly true of Elmhurst as well; EC coach Mark Scherer is a downstate native who has made hay (so to speak) recruiting such outstanding downstate players as Ryan Knuppel, Reuben Slock, Chris Martin, Brent Ruch, and Ryan Burks to come up to suburbia and play for the Bluejays over the past decade. This year he's added some more promising downstate recruits to the Elmhurst larder as well. So it's not just a matter of proximity to Chicagoland that explains the CCIW's success at coaxing talented players to enroll within the conference.

Quote from: Full Court Sorcerer on May 14, 2008, 05:54:16 PMA couple of points.  Number one, how many full-time paid coaches are in the IIAC?  Not every school like it is in Wisconsin.

This is a much more relevant point than any of the others that have been raised thus far, and I'd like to know the answer to it. Are all of the head coaches in the IIAC full-timers? Are there paid assistants in the IIAC? If so, how many are full-time? Staffing (and related issues such as non-coaching time commitments) plays a much bigger role in recruiting than does demographics. If you're a college basketball coach you can go out and find good high school basketball players almost anywhere -- whether it's the cornfields, the well-trimmed lawns of suburbia, or city playgrounds -- but you can't go out and find them if you don't have to the time to do so.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on May 15, 2008, 11:53:45 AM
Sorry Gregory.  What I meant to say is assistant coaches.  I don't believe that any team in the Iowa Conference has a full time paid assistant coach.  Which definietly makes it harder to bring in a talented staff, but I still think that the IIAC does fine. 

Head coaches are all paid full time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 21, 2008, 10:25:49 AM
Copy and paste from the MWC board:

Now that some of the schedules are out it leads to a question. Coe and Cornell open the season at Lawrence where they will play Lawrence and Ripon. Sounds like a MWC vs. IIAC Challenge. Which is fine but what I don't understand is why does the Coe-Ripon game on Saturday move to Ripon ??

I suppose Ripon is on the way back home for them but it's not like they are saving a great deal of travel time by not playing @LU both days. Could it be a MWCTV thing, as that game in Ripon is webcast but none of the games at LU are. Just curious ?? Or could it be a "Coe-spiracy".

(Maybe somebody here will know)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on May 21, 2008, 10:35:28 AM
I looked at both Ripon's and Coe's website and both schedules look like the Coe/Ripon game are at Ripon.

http://www.ripon.edu/athletics/mbasketball/2008-09/2008-09_Schedule.html

http://www.coe.edu/athletics/basketballm/schedule.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Roop on May 21, 2008, 12:07:43 PM
Right, that's what I said but the break down of the games goes like this:

11/21 @Lawrence
5:00PM Cornell vs. Ripon
7:00PM Coe vs. Lawrence 

11/22 3:00PM Cornell @Lawrence
11/22 5:00PM Coe @Ripon

Coe is driving 2 hours away (roughly) to play 2 hours later on the second day. I'm not sure how that makes any sense from a travel perspective.

Here's a theory............... Coe and Cornell share a bus on the trip up. Then the Ripon bus gives Coe a lift to Ripon. The Coe/Cornell bus gets to Ripon the next day about the time the Ripon/Coe game is over. It fits the time line anyway; but why make it so complicated. Or does the Coe/Cornell bus go to Ripon then double back to get Cornell the next day ??

You would accomplish the same thing by having all 4 teams play @Lawrence on the 22nd if they just started earlier. 1:00PM and 3:00PM @Lawrence vs. 3:00PM and 5:00PM at different sites. Bus sharing or not, I can't understand why one game is at a different venue the next day.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Full Court Sorcerer on May 21, 2008, 05:58:04 PM
I highly doubt that Coe and Cornell will split a bus since they have been rivals for 100 years.  So, I don't really follow this theory, but from what I can see the game is being played at Ripon.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: insidelook on May 22, 2008, 03:42:40 PM
Quote from: AndOne on May 03, 2008, 08:12:43 PM
Quote from: Rock Chalk DuHawk on May 02, 2008, 10:26:54 AM
None the less still a big pickup for Loras......he had to be pretty good if IWU, Augie, and NC were all heavily recruiting him.......6'8'' post that completely improved his game from Jr - Sr year, is always a great sign for a post.....look for him to have a terrific career at Loras......Come his last two years at Loras he will be a force.

A source very close to the situation and recruitment process of Danny Pawelski advises that a primary reason he chose Loras over Augie and North Central was that he didn't feel he had an adequate skill level to allow him to play effectively in the CCIW, and that he felt he would have a better chance for success in the IIAC. I saw him play several times this season and concur. Keep in mind I'm not knocking the conference, just reporting the facts, which come form an unimpeachable source. Danny has improved and certainly has the potential for further improvement. However, Duhawk fans will need to be patient. I can guarantee you that he won't immediately be filling the void left by the graduating big men. I believe the term "project" is very applicable here. Good luck to him.

MORE RECRUITING NEWS-----------

On a secondary note, playing at Loras will afford Danny the chance to team with another incoming Duhawk frosh from Benet Academy in Lisle, the town immediately east of Naperville where Danny (Naperville, IL/Neuqua Valley) is from. Brian Gaughan, Benet's 6'0" point guard will also attend Loras. I believe Danny and Brian are friends and played AAU ball together. Brian is the son of Benet's head coach, and even though a point, never met a shot he didn't like. When he is hot he can score in bunches, but when he is cold, your grandpa could hit a higher percentage.
Brian will need to learn to exhibit his other skills,  and not keep firing bricks on those nights when he isn't "on,"  to be successful at the next level.     


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: insidelook on May 24, 2008, 09:04:06 AM
Unfortunately, AndOne has a source that is apparently NOT very close to the situation and recruitment process of Danny Pawelski.
Danny was being recruited by most every school in the CCIW, and several other schools from many areas. Never did he have a doubt about his playing ability or adequacy to play at any one of the CCIW schools.  Anyone who knows Danny knows that he may infact, be a "late bloomer".  He has continually grown in heighth every year, and skills have improved every year.  At no time has he had an ego to go along with that.  His goal was only to go on and play four more years of the sport he loves. Loras College provided the PERFECT fit.  The coaches and players at Loras were the absolute key in his decision to choose Loras. And based on a piece of advice from a conference rival coach, Danny chose the school "who wanted him the most, and who will look out for him for the next four years".  It's funny that the kid was good enough for the CCIW coaches until he turned them down....now he's just a "project" for Loras! This is the real story.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on May 24, 2008, 09:55:45 AM
Some of the best low post players I saw in '07-08 were those guys from Buena Vista (I was at the Wash U Sectional).  Outside of Troy Ruths (Wash U) and Brent Ruch (Elmhurst), I think that trio of big, strong beasts from BV were the best I saw all year (sorry can't remember their names...there were a bunch of them are they seemed interchangeable).  In other words, I think there was only one CCIW big man better than the BV big guys (Ruch, who might be a 1st Team All-American in '08-09).  I'd take the BV posts over Augustana's Dain Swetalla or IWU's Brett Chamernik. 

I'm just not sure there is much difference between the average CCIW center and the average IIAC center.  Pawelski absolutely could play in the CCIW.  If he did, I'd say the same thing as I did when he committed to Loras - he shouldn't be over-hyped.  He will be a serviceable Division III big man, but not a superstar.  He brings great size and will continue to improve.  I just think he lacks intensity and desire - at least when I saw him play he did.

Illinois Wesleyan was on Pawelski early - head coach Ron Rose liked him as a player and as a person.  IWU landed their top big man recruit early though - a kid with multiple D1 rides...

http://www.pantagraph.com/articles/2008/03/26/scholastic/doc47e86e6693f6f903819761.txt

And IWU was starting to get in good shape with their #2 big guy recruit (who they ended up getting)...

http://www.midstatehoops.com/articles/2008/rose.html


So Coach Rose backed off Dan P. to expend recruiting resources elsewhere., while I'm sure other D3's (including 2-3 in the CCIW) were still on him in a big way.  I have no idea if he liked IWU or not and if the Titans had a chance, but certainly IWU recruited him...and pretty hard for a while.

Also consider that the program that has won the league the last three years (Augustana) wanted him bad as far as I know.  And I do not think Augie ended up getting any recruits at the 5, or taller than 6-4...

Quote from: Titan Q on May 14, 2008, 03:33:51 PM
Augustana
Chris Anderson (6-4 SF/PF, West Carroll) - 17.9 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 3.7 apg
Max Artis (6-3 SF/PF, Kirkwood, Mo.) - 15.0 ppg, 5.7 rpg, .592 FG, .674 FT
Brian DeSimone (6-1 PG/SG, Buffalo Grove) - 16.0 ppg
Griffin Dwyer (6-1 SG, Hersey H.S.) - 14.3 ppg
Josh Evans (6-4 SF/PF, Niles North)
Troy Rorer (6-2 G/F, Bettendorf) - 9.7 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.5 apg
Eric Safranski (6-0 PG/SG, Putnam County) - 12.9 ppg
Peter Wessels (6-3 SG, Bettendorf) - 10.7 ppg

And as far as I know, Pawelski would be the best young big man in North Central's mix (the other CCIW that really recruited him hard).

I do not think Pawelski would be a CCIW star and I don't think he'll be one in the IIAC...but he should be somewhere between "serviceable" and "good" in time.  It just depends on how hard he works.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 28, 2008, 04:31:09 PM
Quote from: insidelook on May 22, 2008, 03:42:40 PM
Quote from: AndOne on May 03, 2008, 08:12:43 PM

A source very close to the situation and recruitment process of Danny Pawelski advises that a primary reason he chose Loras over Augie and North Central was that he didn't feel he had an adequate skill level to allow him to play effectively in the CCIW, and that he felt he would have a better chance for success in the IIAC. I saw him play several times this season and concur. Keep in mind I'm not knocking the conference, just reporting the facts, which come form an unimpeachable source. Danny has improved and certainly has the potential for further improvement. However, Duhawk fans will need to be patient. I can guarantee you that he won't immediately be filling the void left by the graduating big men. I believe the term "project" is very applicable here. Good luck to him.

MORE RECRUITING NEWS-----------

On a secondary note, playing at Loras will afford Danny the chance to team with another incoming Duhawk frosh from Benet Academy in Lisle, the town immediately east of Naperville where Danny (Naperville, IL/Neuqua Valley) is from. Brian Gaughan, Benet's 6'0" point guard will also attend Loras. I believe Danny and Brian are friends and played AAU ball together. Brian is the son of Benet's head coach, and even though a point, never met a shot he didn't like. When he is hot he can score in bunches, but when he is cold, your grandpa could hit a higher percentage.
Brian will need to learn to exhibit his other skills,  and not keep firing bricks on those nights when he isn't "on,"  to be successful at the next level.     

Quote from: insidelook on May 24, 2008, 09:04:06 AM
Unfortunately, AndOne has a source that is apparently NOT very close to the situation and recruitment process of Danny Pawelski.
Danny was being recruited by most every school in the CCIW, and several other schools from many areas. Never did he have a doubt about his playing ability or adequacy to play at any one of the CCIW schools.  Anyone who knows Danny knows that he may infact, be a "late bloomer".  He has continually grown in heighth every year, and skills have improved every year.  At no time has he had an ego to go along with that.  His goal was only to go on and play four more years of the sport he loves. Loras College provided the PERFECT fit.  The coaches and players at Loras were the absolute key in his decision to choose Loras. And based on a piece of advice from a conference rival coach, Danny chose the school "who wanted him the most, and who will look out for him for the next four years". It's funny that the kid was good enough for the CCIW coaches until he turned them down....now he's just a "project" for Loras! This is the real story.

Insidelook----

I'm doing my best Dikembe Mutombo imitation standing here in the lane and wagging my finger at you and telling you "don't bring that weak s__t in here."

Its pretty obvious that you're either a friend of Danny or a Loras student/supporter who, either way, is out of touch with reality.

First of all, the source of my information is someone very familiar with Danny and his basketball life. He is unimpeachable as far as having inside information that you can only hazard a slanted guess at. 

Secondly, you state Danny was being recruited by "most every school in the CCIW." As TQ has indicated, Wesleyan was on him early, and backed off him when they secured 2 more talented big men. Augie and North Central were on him early and continued their pursuit until his decision. Thats 1/4th of the CCIW, NOT "most every team." Along with that misguided contention, you stated "several other schools from many areas" were after him. What schools from what areas??? 

Third, its true that Augie and North Central both wanted Danny badly. Grey Geovanine of Augie, who lost both his big men this year, was all over Danny at every opportunity from smoozing his mom at the Elgin X-Mas Tourney to piling up probably half his cell phone and texting charges from Dec-Feb on Danny. He even texted him from the bus on the way back from North Central following the last game of the season. While Danny seemed to like Coach Giovanine, I have doubts whether their personalities would have meshed after long periods of close exposure.
North Central, which didn't have a "big" to lose this year, was on him heavily throughout with the idea he could make a fairly immediate contribution, unspectacular as it may have been, but still capable of supporting NCC's terrific forward combo.

Fourth, if Danny wanted a perfect fit a school that "would take care of him" the most obvious choice would ahve been North Central---Danny is a teammate and friend of Derek Raridon, son of NC Head Coach Todd Raridon, the school is 15-20 minutes from Danny's home, offering his parents the chance to see many games with the least amount of traveling, and Coach Raridon knows the family, often sitting with Mr. Pawelski at Neuqua Valley games. Additionally, NCC would have offered Danny a chance to contribute most likely, sooner rather than later.   

Sorry, Inside, but you just don't know much of the real story beyond the rose colored version you choose to project. "Inside" may be part of your screen name, but, in truth, 'OUTside' would have been much more appropriate.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 28, 2008, 06:04:14 PM
Quote from: insidelook on May 24, 2008, 09:04:06 AM
Danny was being recruited by most every school in the CCIW

"... most every school"? Of the eight schools in the CCIW, I can name two that I'm certain had no contact with him at all, and that's just the two of which I'm aware. I tend to agree with AndOne that it was actually a minority of CCIW schools that recruited Pawelski, not "most every school". If more CCIW schools than Augustana, North Central, and Illinois Wesleyan were after him, I have yet to hear of it.

Again, that's not a slam on Pawelski. It's just that the words "most every school in the CCIW" set off my hyperbole detector, just as was the case when a longtime commentator on CCIW Chat similarly (and erroneously) described the pursuit of Wheaton recruit Jeremy Pflederer as involving every school in the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on May 30, 2008, 03:38:12 AM
The 2 starting bigs for Bv last year will be back and have to be one of the best combo big men in the country.  Fog is a big body down low while Cleveland is taller but can step back and hit the big 3 like the one to put them into OT with Wash U
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on June 04, 2008, 03:51:46 PM
Fourth, if Danny wanted a perfect fit a school that "would take care of him" the most obvious choice would ahve been North Central---Danny is a teammate and friend of Derek Raridon, son of NC Head Coach Todd Raridon, the school is 15-20 minutes from Danny's home, offering his parents the chance to see many games with the least amount of traveling, and Coach Raridon knows the family, often sitting with Mr. Pawelski at Neuqua Valley games. Additionally, NCC would have offered Danny a chance to contribute most likely, sooner rather than later.

Thats a pretty bold statment to be talking about a kids perfect fit.  Just beacuse North Central is 15 minutes away from Danny home does not mean its a perfect fit.  Unless either of you are his parrents, blood relations, or close family friend, I have a hard time understanding how any of these conclusions could have been made other than hearsay. 

The perfect fit for a college student quite possible could be 1,000 miles away from his home base.  There is a lot more to a college decision than finding the place cloeset to home.  Maybe Danny chose Loras because it gave him the opportunity to leave the state of IL and branch out into a new community. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on June 04, 2008, 10:10:01 PM
Klop----

1. I agree with you 100% when you say the perfect fit may be a school 1,000 miles away. I myself chose a school over 500 miles from home.

2. My statement about a perfect (or pretty darn close to perfect) fit was made in reference to the schools that were being talked about (Augie, Loras, & North Central) and not any imaginary school that Danny was never linked to.

3. While you couldn't possibly know it beforehand, I'm in a pretty good position to make the statement I did because I know each and every one of the parties involved, and see most of them on a very regular basis.

4. Part of Danny's choosing Loras WAS for the opportunity to get out of Naperville. The other main reasons were that he felt he would have a better chance for success in the IIAC as opposed to the CCIW. Also, as I previously posted, he will be playing with a good friend of his from another nearby school who will also be a freshman at Loras next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: insidelook on June 05, 2008, 03:13:08 PM
Klop, I couldn't agree with you more...unless these statements are coming from Danny's parents or blood relatives, assume that most of this is clearly "hearsay".
It is interesting how many individuals suddenly have such a close insight to the situation.
It is a fact that Danny does have a childhood friend who is also going to Loras, however, Danny has been in contact with the coaches from Loras since last summer. His friend just began looking at Loras during the late part of his Senior year.  He in no way impacted Danny's decision making process.  In fact, if having a friend to go away to college with was so important to Danny, he has a former NV team mate and friend at Augustana, so that would have been great too.  His decision to attend Loras was purely based on his connection to Coach Gorton, and to the current players that he spent time with. From what I know, Danny does look forward to going to school away from home, and in fact, passed up a very nice scholarship at St. Xavier University because he felt even that was too close to home.
There are no guarantees for any player at any level. I think with hard work and determination he will make a contribution at Loras, and believe he would have at any CCIW school as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on June 05, 2008, 06:22:22 PM
Sure seems to be a lot of discussion of a player that has never suited up for an IIAC game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on June 05, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on June 05, 2008, 06:22:22 PM
Sure seems to be a lot of discussion of a player that has never suited up for an IIAC game.

Hey its the off season.  What else is there to talk about.  I was actually waiting for one of Gregory Sager sermons to be posted, but I am still waiting ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on June 06, 2008, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on June 05, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on June 05, 2008, 06:22:22 PM
Sure seems to be a lot of discussion of a player that has never suited up for an IIAC game.

Hey its the off season.  What else is there to talk about.  I was actually waiting for one of Gregory Sager sermons to be posted, but I am still waiting ;D

We could make an over/under for Mr. Sager and start wagering  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on June 06, 2008, 08:38:24 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on June 06, 2008, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on June 05, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on June 05, 2008, 06:22:22 PM
Sure seems to be a lot of discussion of a player that has never suited up for an IIAC game.

Hey its the off season.  What else is there to talk about.  I was actually waiting for one of Gregory Sager sermons to be posted, but I am still waiting ;D

We could make an over/under for Mr. Sager and start wagering  ;D

I don't deliver a sermon unless there are ushers present to take an offering. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on June 06, 2008, 09:59:21 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 06, 2008, 08:38:24 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on June 06, 2008, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on June 05, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on June 05, 2008, 06:22:22 PM
Sure seems to be a lot of discussion of a player that has never suited up for an IIAC game.

Hey its the off season.  What else is there to talk about.  I was actually waiting for one of Gregory Sager sermons to be posted, but I am still waiting ;D

We could make an over/under for Mr. Sager and start wagering  ;D

I don't deliver a sermon unless there are ushers present to take an offering. ;)

Now that made me laugh...good one  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on June 06, 2008, 12:08:30 PM
Quote from: insidelook on June 05, 2008, 03:13:08 PM
Klop, I couldn't agree with you more...unless these statements are coming from Danny's parents or blood relatives, assume that most of this is clearly "hearsay".
It is interesting how many individuals suddenly have such a close insight to the situation.
It is a fact that Danny does have a childhood friend who is also going to Loras, however, Danny has been in contact with the coaches from Loras since last summer. His friend just began looking at Loras during the late part of his Senior year.  He in no way impacted Danny's decision making process.  In fact, if having a friend to go away to college with was so important to Danny, he has a former NV team mate and friend at Augustana, so that would have been great too.  His decision to attend Loras was purely based on his connection to Coach Gorton, and to the current players that he spent time with. From what I know, Danny does look forward to going to school away from home, and in fact, passed up a very nice scholarship at St. Xavier University because he felt even that was too close to home.
There are no guarantees for any player at any level. I think with hard work and determination he will make a contribution at Loras, and believe he would have at any CCIW school as well.

Inside----

First of all, you need to realize that there are some other pretty knowledgeable  people in here besides yourself. Furthermore, that some of these people have had a pretty close insight into the recruitment process for quite some time, and did not acquire their understanding of the situation "suddenly."

Nobody ever said Danny would not make a "contribution" at any school. I think he will. How big of a contribution remains to be seen. I also think chances are good that he'll make a bigger contribution at Loras than he would have in the CCIW, and that was part of his decision making process.   

Much good luck to Danny both in the classroom and on the court at Loras.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on June 06, 2008, 02:36:32 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on June 06, 2008, 08:38:24 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on June 06, 2008, 07:17:58 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on June 05, 2008, 10:49:36 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on June 05, 2008, 06:22:22 PM
Sure seems to be a lot of discussion of a player that has never suited up for an IIAC game.

Hey its the off season.  What else is there to talk about.  I was actually waiting for one of Gregory Sager sermons to be posted, but I am still waiting ;D

We could make an over/under for Mr. Sager and start wagering  ;D

I don't deliver a sermon unless there are ushers present to take an offering. ;)

Made me laugh as well.  +k to just so you know my comment was not in malice rather in ribbing
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on June 08, 2008, 01:24:46 PM
for those with rivals accounts...the beavers are on the front page of iowapreps.com
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MWCSID2005 on June 10, 2008, 02:24:22 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Remedy on July 02, 2008, 09:40:44 AM
GO Kohawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on August 11, 2008, 09:37:53 PM
If anyone is still out there, it looks like a few conference schools have their schedules up on their websites.  A sampling of the non-conference opponents...

BV - UW-Stout, St. Olaf, Gustavus, Macalester, Grandview, Clarke, Cal Lutheran, Pacific Lutheran (Holiday break trip to California)

Coe - Mount Mercy, Lawrence, Ripon, Knox, Maryville, Webster, Illinois College, Hawaii Pacific, Augustana (Holiday break trip to Hawaii)

Dubuque - UNI (exhibition), Knox, Edgewood, Beloit, Mount Mercy, Holy Cross, Silver Lake, Martin Luther, Clarke, UW-Platteville

Luther - St. Olaf, Concordia, Wisconsin Lutheran, Bethany Lutheran, North Central, Crown, plus two games at the Cal Lutheran Classic in California

Simpson - Augustana, Elmhurst, Carleton, U. of Dallas, Presentation, Nebraska Wesleyan, Grandview, Puget Sound, Whitworth (Holiday break trip to California)

Wartburg - Buzz Levick Tournament (Rockford, Bethany Lutheran, UW-Stout), UW-Stout Tournament, Bethany Lutheran, Wheaton, UW-Eau Claire Tournament, Faith Baptist
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on August 26, 2008, 07:50:26 AM
Interesting that Wartburg isn't going west over Christmas break. Also the fact they could play UW-Stout in consecutive weekends.

http://www.go-knights.net/mbasketball/vschedule.html
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: storm_tracker65 on September 04, 2008, 09:41:04 PM
any recruiting news out there? i suppose every school is in session and guys have either showed up or not. who has new guys that will make impact this year? i really like bv this year based on returning guys and i suppose loras will be right there again. havnt heard any news on recruits from anywhere. anybody?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on September 23, 2008, 06:55:07 PM
Very excited to see this years BV team.  Bv has 12 freshman bball players on their roster right now.  Have heard some good thing on these freshman but dont really see any seeing major time on this years team.  Fogelman and Cleveland down low is going to be the best in the conference and if they can play a majority of the game this year it will be tough to stop them.  Wagner, Stribe, and Pearson on the perimeter will be nailing 3 pointers all year long.  I think the plan right now is Wagner at Pg which isnt where we would like him to be but i think with that lineup will be where he will be.  This team is expecting big things after losing to the NC in OT when leading by 13 in the 2nd half.  Im also excited to see how the 7 footer has developed and if he can provide us with good minutes down low. 

Go Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Oakrugnuck Tree on October 06, 2008, 03:36:14 PM
Here's an in-depth look at all of BV's freshmen and newcomers.  There are some really good guys in this group and they'll need to develop quickly as they'll be needed sooner rather than later.


http://web.bvu.edu/blogs/coachescorner/category/Men%27s+Basketball
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on October 16, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
Haven't heard much out of the Loras basketball team yet this year. Coach Gorton claims he's excited about his freshman class, but coaches always say that. I'm sure it is a solid group, though. He's has always been a strong recruiter and with recent success he has a nice excuse for getting players to Dubuque. 

Loras should have the best backcourt in the conference (save maybe BV).  Centella, Kolze, and Oeth will be tough to defend, definitely the most physical group around.  Still a little worried about the forwards, though. Without White and Slater we lack experience and talent. Hopefully Gorton has something in his bag of tricks if he wants to compete with BVs frontcourt or any other big men in the IIAC.

Heard some buzzings that UD landed some nice Clarke transfers...any truth to that?  I know they're down Porter and Daugherty now, but with a lot of other returing players could they be a team to watch in the IIAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on October 20, 2008, 11:22:53 AM
The DuHawks will have the best backcourt in the conference with Centella maning the troops.  There success will be determined by their bigs.  Hope to see the reserves from last year and some Freshman to step up in a big way......Look for BV and Wartburg to be tough too.  Cant wait for the season to start.

Preseason Picks:
1. BV
2. Loras
3. Wartburg
4. Coe
5. UD
6. Luther
7. Central
8. Simpson
9. Cornell
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on October 22, 2008, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: du-sz on October 16, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
Haven't heard much out of the Loras basketball team yet this year. Coach Gorton claims he's excited about his freshman class, but coaches always say that. I'm sure it is a solid group, though. He's has always been a strong recruiter and with recent success he has a nice excuse for getting players to Dubuque. 

Loras should have the best backcourt in the conference (save maybe BV).  Centella, Kolze, and Oeth will be tough to defend, definitely the most physical group around.  Still a little worried about the forwards, though. Without White and Slater we lack experience and talent. Hopefully Gorton has something in his bag of tricks if he wants to compete with BVs frontcourt or any other big men in the IIAC.

Heard some buzzings that UD landed some nice Clarke transfers...any truth to that?  I know they're down Porter and Daugherty now, but with a lot of other returing players could they be a team to watch in the IIAC?

Well, for what its worth..
UD's roster is listing at least 3 Clarke Transfers, who combined to average around 28 points a game last year..also, Coach Jon Davison who is a UD legend, left Clarke and is now the golf coach and directing some alumni activities as well, back at UD.
adding those three with SO Blum gives UD some firepower..losing Dre Porter hurts, but they look good on paper, I'd pick them top 3
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 22, 2008, 09:47:24 PM
Quote from: keith45 on October 22, 2008, 12:24:27 PM
Quote from: du-sz on October 16, 2008, 03:30:58 PM
Haven't heard much out of the Loras basketball team yet this year. Coach Gorton claims he's excited about his freshman class, but coaches always say that. I'm sure it is a solid group, though. He's has always been a strong recruiter and with recent success he has a nice excuse for getting players to Dubuque. 

Loras should have the best backcourt in the conference (save maybe BV).  Centella, Kolze, and Oeth will be tough to defend, definitely the most physical group around.  Still a little worried about the forwards, though. Without White and Slater we lack experience and talent. Hopefully Gorton has something in his bag of tricks if he wants to compete with BVs frontcourt or any other big men in the IIAC.

Heard some buzzings that UD landed some nice Clarke transfers...any truth to that?  I know they're down Porter and Daugherty now, but with a lot of other returing players could they be a team to watch in the IIAC?

Well, for what its worth..
UD's roster is listing at least 3 Clarke Transfers, who combined to average around 28 points a game last year..also, Coach Jon Davison who is a UD legend, left Clarke and is now the golf coach and directing some alumni activities as well, back at UD.
adding those three with SO Blum gives UD some firepower..losing Dre Porter hurts, but they look good on paper, I'd pick them top 3

Is UD using you to recruit IL kids???  I might have to hit a Spartan game AT UD this year.  The last two years we have gone to see UD play at Wartburg.  Would be nice to get over to Stoltz and see all they have done to the place. 

That UD roster shows a lot of IA, IL and WI kids...and of course the New Orleans connection is back again with Davison returning.  Would be nice to find another Dave Crawford for UD again!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on October 23, 2008, 08:49:04 AM
CR Gazette Article on COE

http://gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081022/SPORTS/710229921/1008/sports


Uptempo. Good, I hate watching "use the clock" offense by ANYONE.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on October 27, 2008, 12:48:30 PM
W-CF Courier article Wartburg Basketball - both men + women
http://wcfcourier.com/articles/2008/10/24/sports/local/10710820.txt

"In terms of athleticism, we'll be able to do some things we haven't been able to do in the past," Peth said.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on October 28, 2008, 05:20:39 PM
From the relm of complete hearsay, Loras played Kirkwood close in a scrimmage recently (something we didn't do last year). Sounds like they have some legitimate big men to at least start filling the void. Despite popular belief we do return some bigs (Brant and Abbuhl). I know they aren't White and Slater, but they've always put in good minutes for us. I'm excited to see this year's roster, god only knows when we'll finally see it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 29, 2008, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: du-sz on October 28, 2008, 05:20:39 PM
From the relm of complete hearsay, Loras played Kirkwood close in a scrimmage recently (something we didn't do last year). Sounds like they have some legitimate big men to at least start filling the void. Despite popular belief we do return some bigs (Brant and Abbuhl). I know they aren't White and Slater, but they've always put in good minutes for us. I'm excited to see this year's roster, god only knows when we'll finally see it.

Hey du-sz...do you think you could head 6 blocks up Loras Blvd to UD and get some pics of the new basketball arena for me???  UD doesn't have any pics up on their site yet and I am not holding my breath that they will have any up soon.   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CubbyBear on October 29, 2008, 07:42:52 PM
I strongly believe UD was a better team without Drey Porter last year.  Didn't they rattle off five straight victories while he was hurt and I don't think he saw the floor the rest of the season (doghouse?).  Without Porter they played more as a team and certainly the addition of Blum helped them move Daugherty off the ball to use screens. 

I think it would be safe to say that the loss of Daugherty is a bigger loss than Porter.  However, it looks like UD is heading in the right direction by picking up three "experienced" transfers from Clarke who saw extensive minutes as a way to help them pick up where Tyler left off and contribute in each of those areas.

Secondly, how can you rank Cornell as a last place team? They are most certainly worthly of a Top 4 mentioning because they return both LaDew and Tierney at both guard spots, not to mention the majority of their rotation.  I do believe that we are all in for a surprise this year in the league as teams rotate personnel and introduce a new style of play (Sounds like Coe's playing uptempo now).  Should prove to be an interesting race for the conference crown!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rock Chalk DuHawk on October 30, 2008, 05:14:43 PM
There was no other place to put Cornel.  now that I think about, possibly Simpson could be last along with Central.....At the end of the day it doesnt matter and all that matters is the top 5 teams as it always does.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on October 31, 2008, 09:37:02 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on October 29, 2008, 11:02:37 AM
Quote from: du-sz on October 28, 2008, 05:20:39 PM
From the relm of complete hearsay, Loras played Kirkwood close in a scrimmage recently (something we didn't do last year). Sounds like they have some legitimate big men to at least start filling the void. Despite popular belief we do return some bigs (Brant and Abbuhl). I know they aren't White and Slater, but they've always put in good minutes for us. I'm excited to see this year's roster, god only knows when we'll finally see it.

Hey du-sz...do you think you could head 6 blocks up Loras Blvd to UD and get some pics of the new basketball arena for me???  UD doesn't have any pics up on their site yet and I am not holding my breath that they will have any up soon.   :'(

Yeah I could probably do that. Hopefully they won't kick me out because I'm a Duhawk. :P

...and I wouldn't be too quick to put Cornell in the cellar either. They have quality returners. I think if you ask a few coaches around the IIAC, they'll tell you the Rams could be very legit team this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AENeumann Jr on November 04, 2008, 11:58:39 AM
http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/mensbasketball/news1.cfm?ID=984


Any chance they play UNI as close as Wartburg played Iowa in 2005?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 04, 2008, 01:22:21 PM
Quote from: AENeumann Jr on November 04, 2008, 11:58:39 AM
http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/mensbasketball/news1.cfm?ID=984


Any chance they play UNI as close as Wartburg played Iowa in 2005?

A lot of new and untested faces at UD.  But there is a buzz for both the mens and womens bball teams at UD.  It has been awhile since that has happened on campus.  I think UD won't stink up the court and can probably hang with UNI for a little while.  Probably depends on how seriously UNI takes this exhibition. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 04, 2008, 08:23:49 PM
UNI up 21-16 11:46 left in the first half.  Dubuque looking good so far. 

UNI up 34-23 with 6 minutes and change left, first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 04, 2008, 08:55:18 PM
UNI up 15 at the half.  Sitting 10 rows up at McLeod Center.  UNI only dressing 9.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 04, 2008, 09:32:33 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on November 04, 2008, 08:55:18 PM
UNI up 15 at the half.  Sitting 10 rows up at McLeod Center.  UNI only dressing 9.

How does Dubuque look???  I know this is only an exhibition, but I am curious as to how you think Dubuque will do this year from seeing them tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 04, 2008, 09:33:40 PM
57-43 UNI up.  Halfway through 2nd half now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 04, 2008, 09:53:54 PM
UNI wins 69-51 over Dubuque.  I am happy with that showing from the Spartans. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 04, 2008, 10:46:26 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 04, 2008, 09:32:33 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on November 04, 2008, 08:55:18 PM
UNI up 15 at the half.  Sitting 10 rows up at McLeod Center.  UNI only dressing 9.

How does Dubuque look???  I know this is only an exhibition, but I am curious as to how you think Dubuque will do this year from seeing them tonight. 

I'll freely admit that I wasn't watching with a very critical eye.  UD is pretty small though.  I don't think there's a guy on the roster that's taller than 6'5".  Should put them at a real disadvantage when going against teams that have good bigs.  They did seem to be playing pretty well together, especially with the new guys just joining the fold.  Seemed to have a cohesion that will suit them well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AENeumann Jr on November 04, 2008, 11:52:03 PM
Dubuque lookedd pretty good tonight in my opinion, they Bluhm nailed 2 early threes, if it wasnt for Kwadzo, I think the game would have been within 10 points. I agree with sportsknight, they were really small, so if their shots don't fall, they will struggle, but it's hard to get the ball inside against UNI. IMO dubuque will finish in the top 4 in the league this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 05, 2008, 09:23:41 AM
UNI -UD recap from UNI SID
http://unipanthers.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110408aaa.html
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 05, 2008, 04:33:40 PM
I'd also add that even though Dubuque was considerably out-sized, they were still able to sneak in for some key boards here an there.  Don't know if that's a credit to them or UNI's mistake, but UD seems to be a scrappy bunch.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 13, 2008, 02:37:05 PM
Wartbrug Roster. Since the SID can not figure out how to make it a link instead of a word doc. I'll post.

2008-09 Wartburg College Men's Basketball Roster
#   Name          Pos.   Height   Class      Hometown/High School
0   Kirk Sidey      F   6-4   Fr.   Greenfield, Iowa/Nodaway Valley
1   Travis Temple   G   5-10   Jr.   Crawfordsville, Iowa/WACO (Wayland)
2   Josh Molstead   G   5-7   Jr.   Charles City, Iowa/University of Northern Iowa
3   Elijah Hunt      G   6-2   Fr.   Bolingbrook, Ill./Bolingbrook
4   Ross Timmermans G   6-1   Jr.   Vinton, Iowa/Kirkwood CC
5   Jarrett Williams   F   6-0   Jr.   Chicago, Ill./Whitney M. Young
10   Travis Kern      G   6-0   Jr.   Kalona, Iowa/Truman State
12   Cole Danielson   F   6-4   Fr.   Marshalltown, Iowa/Marshalltown
22   Mitch Eslick   F   6-5   Jr.   Fort Dodge, Iowa/Fort Dodge
23   Jordan Sathoff   C   6-7   Fr.   Packwood, Iowa/Pekin
24   Darian Patterson   G   6-2   Fr.   West Chester, Iowa/Mid-Prairie (Wellman)
30   Kelly McCarville   F   6-3   Jr.   Cresco, Iowa/Kirkwood CC
31   Cashes Mason   G   5-10   Sr.   Kansas City, Mo./West Des Moines (Valley)
32   Fred Rose      C   6-6   So.   Maywood, Ill./Walter Lutheran
34   Danny Stark   C   6-5   Sr.   Nevada, Iowa/Nevada
40   Kale Holst      F   6-5   Fr.   DeWitt, Iowa/Central
45   Jacey Heuer   F   6-8   So.   Dumont, Iowa/North Butler
50   Austin Donnelly   C   6-9   Fr.   Fort Collins, Colo./Rocky Mountain

Head Coach (yrs. at school): Dick Peth (12)
Asst. Coaches: Oliver Drake and Jason Steege
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 13, 2008, 02:48:02 PM
Former W-SR grad + Knight Grant Franzen has landed @ Central

http://communitynewspapergroup.com/articles/2008/11/13/waverly_newspapers/sports/doc491b07156d562813626929.txt

Let's see he's been to Quincy, Wartburg, Wm. Penn now Central. How many more stops before he graduates uses up all his eligibility?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AENeumann Jr on November 13, 2008, 09:32:16 PM
not William Penn, Iowa Wesleyan
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 14, 2008, 07:53:50 AM
BV picked to win conf. title

2008-09 IOWA CONFERENCE MEN'S BASKETBALL PREVIEW
CEDAR RAPIDS, IOWA . . . Buena Vista University, which won its ninth Iowa Conference title overall and its
sixth title since 1996-97, is the coaches' pick to capture the 2008-09 IIAC men's basketball championship. TheBeavers received eight of nine first-place votes (coaches cannot vote for their own teams), totaling the maximum 72 points in the IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll.
Loras College picked up the remaining first-place vote and is second in the poll with 64 points. The Duhawks finished one game back in a bid to repeat after winning their first Iowa Conference title since 1950-51 in 2006-07. Cornell College and Wartburg College tied for the third spot with 51 points each, followed by University of Dubuque (41 points).

The complete 2008-09 IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll follows.

Rank School (1st place votes) Points 2007-08 Record
1 Buena Vista (8) 72 (23-7, 14-2 IIAC)
2 Loras (1) 64 (22-7, 13-3 IIAC)
3 Cornell 51 (9-17, 7-9 IIAC)
  Wartburg 51 (9-16, 6-10 IIAC)
5 Dubuque 41 (14-12, 8-8 IIAC)
6 Coe 35 (16-11, 10-6 IIAC)
7 Central 31 (14-10, 7-9 IIAC)
8 Simpson 29 (7-18, 4-12 IIAC)
9 Luther 22 (7-18, 3-13 IIAC)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on November 14, 2008, 06:37:11 PM
Here are my projections...

Buena Vista ( 72 (23-7, 14-2 IIAC)
Loras (1) 64 (22-7, 13-3 IIAC)
Coe 35 (16-11, 10-6 IIAC)
Wartburg 51 (9-16, 6-10 IIAC)
Cornell 51 (9-17, 7-9 IIAC)
Dubuque 41 (14-12, 8-8 IIAC)
Simpson 29 (7-18, 4-12 IIAC)
Central 31 (14-10, 7-9 IIAC)
Luther 22 (7-18, 3-13 IIAC)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dansand on November 14, 2008, 06:44:01 PM
For anyone interested in listening to the Simpson-Augustana game on Saturday, here is the link to the Augie webcast:

www.hearitfromhome.com/augustana.php (http://www.hearitfromhome.com/augustana.php)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on November 15, 2008, 09:42:23 AM
Just looking over the Wartburg schedule again and I guess I didn't realize that after the Buzz Levick tourney, Wartburg won't be back at home until after the first of the year for the conference opener against Loras. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: siwash on November 15, 2008, 09:59:55 PM
any news from the Dubuque--Knox game tonight???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 15, 2008, 11:40:15 PM
Quote from: siwash on November 15, 2008, 09:59:55 PM
any news from the Dubuque--Knox game tonight???

Dubuque beat Knox 66-52
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on November 17, 2008, 05:50:20 PM
Should be an interesting opener for the young Kohawks tonight.  Traveling the 5 minutes to Mt. Mercy to take on a Mustang team that has 5 games under their belts already.

Should be tough for the Kohawks to face a Kuenstling instead of playing with one.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on November 17, 2008, 11:38:55 PM
Big come from behind victory for the Kohawks tonight.  Trialing 27-17 at halftime, they came back for a 65-64 win.

Good way to start the season, especially with a Top 20 team coming up next...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on November 18, 2008, 09:45:12 AM
Beavers open up the season with a win against UW-Stout.  68-61 overtime victory.  Sounds like all played well and BV was on the road.  They have a couple of days off before the open opener against St. Olaf. 

I look for good things out of this years Beavers.  I hope they can reclaim the conference and represent the IIAC in the National Tournament again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 18, 2008, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on November 18, 2008, 09:45:12 AM
Beavers open up the season with a win against UW-Stout.  68-61 overtime victory.  Sounds like all played well and BV was on the road.  They have a couple of days off before the open opener against St. Olaf. 

I look for good things out of this years Beavers.  I hope they can reclaim the conference and represent the IIAC in the National Tournament again

Preferably with a 1st round tourney game somewhere in the greater Chicago area ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klopenhiemer on November 18, 2008, 09:56:46 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 18, 2008, 09:50:09 AM
Quote from: Klopenhiemer on November 18, 2008, 09:45:12 AM
Beavers open up the season with a win against UW-Stout.  68-61 overtime victory.  Sounds like all played well and BV was on the road.  They have a couple of days off before the open opener against St. Olaf. 

I look for good things out of this years Beavers.  I hope they can reclaim the conference and represent the IIAC in the National Tournament again

Preferably with a 1st round tourney game somewhere in the greater Chicago area ;)

I like your thinking, but I will go with a first round game at the Siebens Fieldhouse and listen to it.  Lets hope for a game deep in the tournament in the Chicagoland region! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 18, 2008, 01:58:40 PM
Central will look a lot different this year with most of last year's starters gone.  The most experienced returning players are Miguel Ley and Zach Cooper.  Jordan Leuschen missed all of football with a knee injury and is not listed as going out for basketball.  Central got a few transfers in this year and a couple of kids returning to the team after a season or more off.  Demarco Turner transfered from ISU, he played at East and I've heard good things about him.  First home game tonight, I will find out more then.  Like football, it seems there will be a lot of newer faces.  Hope this year's team can continue the long process of improving the records. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 19, 2008, 09:52:24 AM
Congratulations to Central for another win last night.  Got my first look at this year's version of the Dutch.  Lots of new faces this year.  Not sure how good Graceland is, so I don't know how predictive last night was, but they seemed to be playing well together.  Wartburg transfer Grant Franzen started, but was injured in the first half.  It was a close game and I have not seen the crowd as excited as last night about a basketball game, men's or women's for awhile, other than the fact that we could somehow surprise BV the past couple of years.  Franzen was an okay player, not sure I would have called him starter material, but really disappointed me in that he spent the entire second half pouting on the bench instead of supporting the team.  I know it's disappointing to get hurt on the first home game, but when the team comes from behind to take the lead in a close game and you can't even get up during time outs, well let's just say you don't get my vote for being a team player.

Central is a taller version this year and it was nice to see some size for a change.  They need to work on their free throws though, missed about half of them in the early going, but nailed them at the end when they were crucial.  Ley is still the guy to make things happen, but we have some good potential at other spots.  Some nice transfers in will be interesting to watch develop.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 19, 2008, 09:50:22 PM
I was probably a little hard on Franzen in my earlier post, he is new at Central and playing basketball may have been a way to get a little recognition and could speed up fitting in to a new campus, so he had a right to be down.  But being a team player is a personal pet peeve of mine.  I love Central football and basketball and there is such a difference in the attitudes I see from the players in the two sports.  In football when a guy goes down, they are on the training table being worked on and stretching out as much as they can to see around the players blocking their view to catch what is happening on the field.  They still want to be part of the action, no matter how much pain they are in.  When the football team loses, they get mad.  Central football teams have a winning attitude, even if the results don't always support it, as was the case this year. 

I just can't say that about the men's basketball team.  This year's team has a lot of new faces on it and I hope they have brought a new team-first, winning-matters attitude.  Some of the recent Central men's teams have seemed to accept losing as status quo, they just want to play and that's good enough.  Last night, it looked like the team had a new level of desire and I hope it leads them to new heights.  Seeing Franzen sitting on the bench during time outs with the game up for grabs, bugged me.  I hope that once his injury, no matter how serious or non-serious sinks in, that if he has to ride the bench for awhile, he will be mentally in the game, if not physically. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 19, 2008, 11:25:59 PM
big win for UD at Edgewood!!

Mike Peak was perfect from the floor, 7-7

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/custompages/Statistics/mbball/2008-09/mb09-03.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 20, 2008, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: keith45 on November 19, 2008, 11:25:59 PM
big win for UD at Edgewood!!

Mike Peak was perfect from the floor, 7-7

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/custompages/Statistics/mbball/2008-09/mb09-03.htm

His shooting percentage and rebounding stats remind me of a UD player from 8-9 years ago ;D

Is Mr. Peak a recent graduate from the Keith45 inside shooting/rebounding summer camp???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 20, 2008, 12:21:30 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 20, 2008, 08:09:12 AM
Quote from: keith45 on November 19, 2008, 11:25:59 PM
big win for UD at Edgewood!!

Mike Peak was perfect from the floor, 7-7

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/custompages/Statistics/mbball/2008-09/mb09-03.htm

His shooting percentage and rebounding stats remind me of a UD player from 8-9 years ago ;D

Is Mr. Peak a recent graduate from the Keith45 inside shooting/rebounding summer camp???

HAHAHA..thanks but he is more athletic than I was..after my surgeries, I had no vertical and explosiveness!! And dealing with the Adam Dolls and Nathan Ackermans, plus those horses that BV used to have was no picnic on one leg!
Must say I was surprised by the margin of victory though, as Edgewood just beat the #22 team in the nation a few nights ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: birds of prey on November 20, 2008, 02:12:33 PM
I was at the game last night and UD is far improved from last year, despite losing Daugherty... Just think how dangerous they would be if he had a year left.

Okpalaeze was a beast inside and it was evident by his two throw downs throughout the game. He's very athletic and versatile and he and the other two transfers from Clarke, Bellaire and Russell, all have the ability to pass the ball.

I was impressed by the balance that UD showed. It had been absent in previous years. The one downside I noticed was their inability to protect the ball late in the game when Edgewood pressed. Lots of turnovers... Without that 17-1 Edgewood run it would have been a 30+ point blowout.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 21, 2008, 01:46:35 PM
From Go-knights.net   - pre-Levick release

KNIGHTS MEN'S NOTES: Head coach Dick Peth hopes to see his 2008-09 squad gel into a strong and cohesive unit. And, with a strong slate of opponents on the schedule, he and his squad hope to do so quickly..."We're really excited about this group of guys," he said. "They have been working extremely hard in practices on a daily basis. I see overall depth being a strength, especially on the perimeter. We are very talented, but, at the same time, inexperience at some positions."...Wartburg's top returners include senior three-year post player Danny Stark of Nevada. He is the second-leading rebounder from 2007-08, where he averaged 4.1 boards per game. Senior Cashes Mason of Kansas City, Mo., is back for his fourth year at the point guard slot. He earned second team all-IIAC honors last season after scoring 248 points and dishing out 79 assists. Juniors Jarrett Williams of Chicago, Ill., and Mitch Eslick of Fort Dodge, each of whom produced significant scoring numbers early in 2007-08, are back after being sidelined with injuries. Williams, through the early-season conference schedule, combined for 33 points against Central and Simpson last year before his season-ending injury, while Eslick lit up several scoreboards in the Iowa Conference and other buildings by reeling off 14 straight double-figure scoring outings, with five of those going for 20-points-or-more, prior to his injury." This is a core of upperclassmen that will provide great leadership for our team," Peth said...Beyond that group of four, the Orange and Black can look towards sophomores Fred Rose of Maywood, Ill., and Jacey Heuer of Allison in its returners group. Rose played in 16 games, giving Wartburg important minutes inside, while Heuer started 16 of 25 games, as a freshman, at a forward slot. Junior Travis Temple of Crawfordsville will also be a candidate on the perimeter after playing in 13 games and highlighting his sophomore season with the game-winning basket in the season-ending win over the University of Dubuque...Peth takes that group of returners to be leaders for what he feels is one of the program's best class of newcomers. "There is a tremendous amount of talent among the new guys," he said. "They each add strong traits for the team. From what we've seen so far, they are very comfortable with the returners. There is outstanding chemistry among this team."...Among the new set of players are juniors Travis Kern of Kalona, who played the past two seasons at a guard slot for NCAA Division II Truman State of Kirksville, Mo., Josh Molstead of Charles City, who was a guard in the University of Northern Iowa program as a freshman and sophomore, and Kelly McCarville of Cresco and Ross Timmermans of Vinton, who transferred in from Kirkwood in Cedar Rapids. Freshmen Cole Danielson of Marshalltown, Austin Donnelly of Fort Collins, Colo., Jordan Sathoff of Packwood, Darian Patterson of Wellman, Kirk Sidey of Greenfield, Elijah Hunt of Bolingbrook, Ill., and Kale Holst of DeWitt also added strong resumes. "While there are a lot of possibilities at guard and on the wings among the new players, we do have some solid post options, too," Peth pointed out. "Donnelly is 6-9 and 225 which will be a nice addition. Sathoff has the athleticism to help out inside. McCarville feels comfortable at either a three or four spot as well."...Wartburg was picked for a tie for third on the annual Iowa Conference coaches preseason poll, released Nov. 13...The Knights have earned splits in each of the last two Buzz Levick/Pizza Ranch tournaments. Prior to that, they had won 12 straight games in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 21, 2008, 01:48:21 PM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald preview for the UD mens and womens Bball teams.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=223520
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 22, 2008, 11:18:09 AM
Knights win 72-69 over Rockford.
Starters                    Pts
Timmermans, Ross    12 
Danielson, Cole          0 
McCarville, Kelly        17 
Mason, Cashes          21 
Stark, Danny             9

Jordan Sathoff came off the bench in the 1st 1/2 and started shooting. He will help THIS year.

5-20 from 3    and 15-25 from the line.
All in all an OK outing.
Will play Bethany for Buzz Levick title. UWStout was up 10 late and got beat on buzzer beater 3.




http://www.iowaconference.com/BBCONF/08-09MB/HTML/WARRFRDM.HTM
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 22, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 22, 2008, 11:18:09 AM
Knights win 72-69 over Rockford.
Starters                    Pts
Timmermans, Ross    12 
Danielson, Cole          0 
McCarville, Kelly        17 
Mason, Cashes          21 
Stark, Danny             9

Jordan Sathoff came off the bench in the 1st 1/2 and started shooting. He will help THIS year.

5-20 from 3    and 15-25 from the line.
All in all an OK outing.
Will play Bethany for Buzz Levick title. UWStout was up 10 late and got beat on buzzer beater 3.




http://www.iowaconference.com/BBCONF/08-09MB/HTML/WARRFRDM.HTM
That result is mildly surprisng to me, as Rockford was horrible last year..1 and 17 maybe? Figured WB would win by more
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on November 22, 2008, 03:01:38 PM
UD goes to 3-0, with a 23 point win over Beloit..not too much to say on that one, Beloit was 4-17 or something last year
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 22, 2008, 03:43:10 PM
Quote from: keith45 on November 22, 2008, 02:59:45 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 22, 2008, 11:18:09 AM
Knights win 72-69 over Rockford.
Starters                    Pts
Timmermans, Ross    12 
Danielson, Cole          0 
McCarville, Kelly        17 
Mason, Cashes          21 
Stark, Danny             9

Jordan Sathoff came off the bench in the 1st 1/2 and started shooting. He will help THIS year.

5-20 from 3    and 15-25 from the line.
All in all an OK outing.
Will play Bethany for Buzz Levick title. UWStout was up 10 late and got beat on buzzer beater 3.




http://www.iowaconference.com/BBCONF/08-09MB/HTML/WARRFRDM.HTM
That result is mildly surprisng to me, as Rockford was horrible last year..1 and 17 maybe? Figured WB would win by more

Does anyone know what the deal is here?  Did Wartburg lose a lot from last year or is Rockford just that much improved?  Rockford struggled mightily last year and it was impressive to see them hang that close.  I guess we will get a really good look at what they can do when they face UW-Stout tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 22, 2008, 04:10:43 PM


Does anyone know what the deal is here?  Did Wartburg lose a lot from last year or is Rockford just that much improved?  Rockford struggled mightily last year and it was impressive to see them hang that close.  I guess we will get a really good look at what they can do when they face UW-Stout tonight.
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2 starters from last year Eslick and Williams played 0 and 3 minutes. 3 new starters, 2 who were NOT @ Wartburg last year. The 3 reserves who played the most minutes are also new to program. Rockford pretty athletic and have a defensive "lock-down" point guard. If the Knights hit a few more open 3's and free throws, it would not have been that close. Also 1 transfer will not be playing until fall term is over.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 23, 2008, 10:24:40 AM
Knight's win Buzz Levick Tournament - WARTBURG COLLEGE 64, BETHANY LUTHERAN 53

Bethany Lutheran vs Wartburg College
11/23/08 8 p.m. at Levick Arena - Waverly, Iowa
At Levick Arena - Waverly, Iowa

BETHANY LUTHERAN (2-2)
Zimmerman, Jeff 6-12 2-2 19; Saffert, Tommy 6-18 0-0 13; Frederick, Stephone
4-5 0-0 8; Wills, Andy 1-11 4-6 7; Strong, Jeremy 1-4 0-0 3; Saindon, Kaleb
1-4 0-0 2; Mpagazihe, Rodrique 0-0 1-2 1; Oertli, Brett 0-1 0-0 0; Mantey,
Aaron 0-0 0-1 0; Thorfinnson, Jeff 0-3 0-0 0; Doyle, Justin 0-0 0-0 0;
Meyer, Mike 0-0 0-0 0; Kindell, Isaac 0-0 0-0 0; Colbert, Shimi 0-1 0-0 0.
Totals 19-59 7-11 53.
WARTBURG COLLEGE (2-0)
Danielson, Cole 7-9 0-0 19; Hunt, Elijah 4-8 2-3 10; Williams, Jarrett 3-8
0-0 7; Sathoff, Jordan 2-3 2-3 7; Molstead, Josh 1-8 4-6 6; Stark, Danny 1-7
3-4 5; Mason, Cashes 1-3 2-3 4; Timmermans, Ross 1-6 0-0 2; Temple, Travis
1-3 0-0 2; Heuer, Jacey 1-1 0-0 2; McCarville, Kelly 0-3 0-2 0. Totals 22-59
13-21 64.
Bethany Lutheran..............   15   38  -   53
Wartburg College..............   28   36  -   64
3-point goals--Bethany Lutheran 8-21 (Zimmerman, Jeff 5-5; Wills, Andy 1-4;
Saffert, Tommy 1-6; Strong, Jeremy 1-4; Thorfinnson, Jeff 0-1; Colbert,
Shimi 0-1), Wartburg College 7-18 (Danielson, Cole 5-7; Williams, Jarrett
1-2; Sathoff, Jordan 1-1; Stark, Danny 0-1; Timmermans, Ross 0-2;
McCarville, Kelly 0-1; Molstead, Josh 0-3; Hunt, Elijah 0-1). Fouled
out--Bethany Lutheran-Frederick, Stephone, Wartburg College-None.
Rebounds--Bethany Lutheran 29 (Wills, Andy 8), Wartburg College 52 (Stark,
Danny 12). Assists--Bethany Lutheran 9 (Saindon, Kaleb 3), Wartburg College
13 (Molstead, Josh 3). Total fouls--Bethany Lutheran 15, Wartburg College
15. Technical fouls--Bethany Lutheran-None, Wartburg College-None.
Championship game of 2008 Buzz Levick/Pizza Ranch Tipoff Tournament.



FYI - UW Stout was up 10 @ half and lost 90-80 to Rockford.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 24, 2008, 02:13:14 PM
Wart Tournament release
http://www.go-knights.net/news/Article.aspx?ID=3128

"In the consolation final, Rockford College of Illinois piled up 63 second-half points, behind 55.6 percent field goal shooting, en route to a 90-80 win over UW-Stout. Danny Armelin and Renell Taylor, a pair of guards for the Regents, combined for 50 points. Mahlon Thomas led the Blue Devils with 16 points."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on November 25, 2008, 05:16:12 PM
When a kid has played college BB at at LEAST 3 schools some expect that type of attitude from him.

Quote from: Klompen on November 19, 2008, 09:50:22 PM
I was probably a little hard on Franzen in my earlier post, he is new at Central and playing basketball may have been a way to get a little recognition and could speed up fitting in to a new campus, so he had a right to be down.  But being a team player is a personal pet peeve of mine.  I love Central football and basketball and there is such a difference in the attitudes I see from the players in the two sports.  In football when a guy goes down, they are on the training table being worked on and stretching out as much as they can to see around the players blocking their view to catch what is happening on the field.  They still want to be part of the action, no matter how much pain they are in.  When the football team loses, they get mad.  Central football teams have a winning attitude, even if the results don't always support it, as was the case this year. 

I just can't say that about the men's basketball team.  This year's team has a lot of new faces on it and I hope they have brought a new team-first, winning-matters attitude.  Some of the recent Central men's teams have seemed to accept losing as status quo, they just want to play and that's good enough.  Last night, it looked like the team had a new level of desire and I hope it leads them to new heights.  Seeing Franzen sitting on the bench during time outs with the game up for grabs, bugged me.  I hope that once his injury, no matter how serious or non-serious sinks in, that if he has to ride the bench for awhile, he will be mentally in the game, if not physically. 


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on November 25, 2008, 10:30:02 PM
Quote from: keith45 on November 20, 2008, 12:21:30 PM
plus those horses that BV used to have was no picnic on one leg!

BV still has the horses!  Ask anyone who has tried to clear Fogleman out of the lane.

On a side note, looks like BV dropped one up at GAC tonight.  Just at a glance, it looks like they were ice cold shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on November 25, 2008, 11:30:03 PM
Coe had its home opener tonight before a sparse Thanksgiving break crowd and got the W against Knox. Looks like Tatman is the man for the Kohawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 26, 2008, 02:39:59 PM
Dubuque loses first game of the season at Mt. Mercy

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/news.cfm?ID=1012&team=Mens%20Basketball

Knox has lost games to Dubuque, Coe and I believe Cornell.  They might want to rethink their non-con schedule next year ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stickman on December 01, 2008, 06:08:52 PM
I see everyone has at least 2 wins, except Luther - and they have not even been close to one.  Looks like a 3rd consecutive long year season for the Norse. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on December 02, 2008, 04:58:06 PM
No chatter with the IIAC season opening this week? 

The Kohawks have two big games, hosting Loras and at Buena Vista, to start the season.  I see the Kohawks splitting these games.

What about everyone else?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2008, 09:46:37 PM
Dubuque up on Wartburg at the half 33-27
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2008, 10:50:19 PM
Dubuque beats Wartburg 64-54

Listened to the Wartburg feed.  Student announcers did a pretty good job.  Might have got a bit excited on a few 3 point baskets in the first half...but better than most student broadcasts you hear. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
BV wins @ Simpson 91-66   
Central wins @ Luther 41-38   Apparently they didn't use the shot clock!!!
Loras wins @ Coe 66-57   
Dubuque is the only home team to win tonight.  Winning 64-54 over Wartburg
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on December 04, 2008, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 03, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
Central wins @ Luther 41-38   Apparently they didn't use the shot clock!!!

The two teams were a combined 35% from the field and 4-19 (21%) from three point range.  Talk about uhhhh-gleeee.

Also, I'm starting to notice a couple trends in Wartburg's stats.  In their losses, it looks like Wartburg has been bombing away from behind the arc and getting far fewer FT attempts than their opponents.  Sounds like some of the Knight guards need to do a little more attacking the basket more and a little less settling for outside shots.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 04, 2008, 10:26:43 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 03, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
Central wins @ Luther 41-38   Apparently they didn't use the shot clock!!!
Or they can't shoot very well.  :'( :'( :'(  To read the write up both teams played great defense, but icy shooting by both teams.  Oh well, I am happy to have a win on the first conference game of the season.  Look quick while the Dutch are in first place, it has been too long.  Would love to see it last, but cold shooting won't cut it.  Last year a bad Luther really bombed Central at Luther, so it was huge improvement for the Dutch who lost some 4 year starters to graduation. 

I think this year's Dutch will really surprise some people, but they have to be more consistent.  They can't have cold shooting sprees like they did against Bethany Lutheran or poor shooting nights as they had last night.  Nice to have the other team be just as off as we were though.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 04, 2008, 12:45:53 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on December 04, 2008, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 03, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
Central wins @ Luther 41-38   Apparently they didn't use the shot clock!!!

The two teams were a combined 35% from the field and 4-19 (21%) from three point range.  Talk about uhhhh-gleeee.

Also, I'm starting to notice a couple trends in Wartburg's stats.  In their losses, it looks like Wartburg has been bombing away from behind the arc and getting far fewer FT attempts than their opponents.  Sounds like some of the Knight guards need to do a little more attacking the basket more and a little less settling for outside shots.

I would add "UNDER CONTROL to attacking the basket. The starting Point guard had 3 offensive fouls and 7 TO's.  They also got hammered on the boards though.

I did notice the play by play report did not include all the times the buzzer went off without reason.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 04, 2008, 03:52:57 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on December 04, 2008, 12:45:53 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on December 04, 2008, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 03, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
Central wins @ Luther 41-38   Apparently they didn't use the shot clock!!!

The two teams were a combined 35% from the field and 4-19 (21%) from three point range.  Talk about uhhhh-gleeee.

Also, I'm starting to notice a couple trends in Wartburg's stats.  In their losses, it looks like Wartburg has been bombing away from behind the arc and getting far fewer FT attempts than their opponents.  Sounds like some of the Knight guards need to do a little more attacking the basket more and a little less settling for outside shots.

I would add "UNDER CONTROL to attacking the basket. The starting Point guard had 3 offensive fouls and 7 TO's.  They also got hammered on the boards though.

I did notice the play by play report did not include all the times the buzzer went off without reason.

That could be added to that link Walston Hoover had over on the football board about ghosts ;) 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 04, 2008, 03:56:02 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on December 04, 2008, 12:00:44 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 03, 2008, 11:00:46 PM
Central wins @ Luther 41-38    Apparently they didn't use the shot clock!!!

The two teams were a combined 35% from the field and 4-19 (21%) from three point range.  Talk about uhhhh-gleeee.

Also, I'm starting to notice a couple trends in Wartburg's stats.  In their losses, it looks like Wartburg has been bombing away from behind the arc and getting far fewer FT attempts than their opponents.  Sounds like some of the Knight guards need to do a little more attacking the basket more and a little less settling for outside shots.

I have a 92 year old great uncle that played for Central in the 1930's.  Maybe you could talk him and his Central grad wife into moving back up to Iowa from Texas to become the shooting coach.  He is really good and the two handed set shot :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 04, 2008, 05:55:15 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 04, 2008, 03:56:02 PM
I have a 92 year old great uncle that played for Central in the 1930's.  Maybe you could talk him and his Central grad wife into moving back up to Iowa from Texas to become the shooting coach.  He is really good and the two handed set shot :D
Since we now have the kicking duties well under control for football, maybe when the time comes for a new college president we can look for a president with experience at coaching shooting.    ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 06, 2008, 06:37:54 PM
Central wins at home over UD 68-53

Two similar halves.  Central let 35-27 at halftime.  The Dutch won the second half 33-26. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 07, 2008, 10:51:39 AM
What are they putting in the water at Central this year.  The football team loses 4 games and has a very rare final standings in the conference.  Central football starts out 0-2 in IIAC and now Central men's BB is 2-0 and in first place in the IIAC?  Wow, we get to say that for at least a month, were tied for first after the Luther game Dec 3, don't play another IIAC game until Jan 3.  Awesome!  Did the men's BB team steal the football team's Gatorade?   ;D ;D ;D

Seriously, it was great to see this team play more consistently, as noted by Doolittle's comparison of the halves, and playing well together.  I think the bench is much stronger than in recent years allowing us to move players in and out better.  Who would have thought that with Petersaon, Clark, DeHoogh and Lang all graduating last year we would be looking this strong this early.  Boshee said we would surprise people. 

Last year the team played well against teams they thought they would struggle with and won games most folks would not have picked them to win, but played poorly against teams that they thought would be easier games.  I hope the way they played against Luther and Dubuque is not an indication that it will be another season like that.  Had some of the same struggles in football this year.  They better get over that real fast.  You can't pick and choose who you want to prepare and show up to play, you have to be prepared and focused on one game at a time and you have to play solid ball the whole game.  Fundamentals guys. 

Either way, it is nice to see some enthusiasm in the crowd at games again. 

Oh, and did I mention, Central is in 1st place?   ;D ;D ;D  It's been so long I have to say it while I can.   :D 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on December 08, 2008, 12:35:42 AM
I gotta give Cornell's Men's team some run here...but don't expect too much of me over here (no direct personal investment).

The Rams are 5-1 with an IIAC opening win over the Storm.

Tied for 1st in winning percentage, though a half game back in the win column.

Go Rams!

;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2008, 12:41:31 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on December 08, 2008, 12:35:42 AM
I gotta give Cornell's Men's team some run here...but don't expect too much of me over here (no direct personal investment).

The Rams are 5-1 with an IIAC opening win over the Storm.

Tied for 1st in winning percentage, though a half game back in the win column.

Go Rams!

;)

Well, I am aware that you have a direct personal investment in a 6'6'' student that isn't a half bad athlete.  Maybe you could fire off an email to the basketball coach and tell him that for a little bigger finantial aid package towards this personal investment of yours, this kid would be happy to be the 12th man on the Cornell basketball team.  THEN we could expect to see a little more of you over on this board! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 10, 2008, 08:56:12 AM
A couple of changes for the Knights.

Josh Molestead + Fred Rose are no longer listed on the roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 13, 2008, 09:00:32 AM
Dubuque beat Silver Lake College 85-32 Friday night.  17 players got into the game for Dubuque.  http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/news.cfm?ID=1023&team=Mens%20Basketball

Dubuque plays Martin Luther College on Saturday afternoon.  Martin Luther is coming in off a win Friday night at Central.  Dubuque lost at Central last week!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 13, 2008, 07:21:40 PM
UD beats Marting Luther 82-79.

So, UD goes to Central and loses.  Martin Luther goes to Central and wins.  Martin Luther goes to UD and loses.  Hmm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mr_b on December 13, 2008, 10:58:11 PM
Final from Chicago: North Park 78, Loras 66.  Jake Oeth led the Duhawks with 20 points and Ricky Kolze added 18.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 14, 2008, 08:57:44 AM
Wheaton 88  Wartburg 76

50-28 @ 1/2. The Knights outscored Wheaton by 10 in 2nd half.

2 games in a row for Mitch Eslick to play and get shots.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 15, 2008, 06:25:09 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 13, 2008, 07:21:40 PM
UD beats Marting Luther 82-79.

So, UD goes to Central and loses.  Martin Luther goes to Central and wins.  Martin Luther goes to UD and loses.  Hmm

I sometimes wonder about UD's non-conference schedule.  It seems they play a lot of "easy wins" and that doesn't help when conference play gets underway.  We'll see if last year was an exception to that ... or if it was the beginning of better days for UD basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 15, 2008, 07:02:06 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 13, 2008, 07:21:40 PM
UD beats Marting Luther 82-79.

So, UD goes to Central and loses.  Martin Luther goes to Central and wins.  Martin Luther goes to UD and loses.  Hmm
Central went back to inconsistent play.  They went ice cold to start the second half and stayed that way for probably the first half of it.  Frustrating to watch, probably worse to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 19, 2008, 03:46:53 PM
AKirkwood CC transfer has ben added to Wartburg roster.

Tigh Bakker     C     6-6     Fr.     Dike, Iowa/Dike-New Hartford 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 19, 2008, 04:21:20 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on December 15, 2008, 06:25:09 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 13, 2008, 07:21:40 PM
UD beats Marting Luther 82-79.

So, UD goes to Central and loses.  Martin Luther goes to Central and wins.  Martin Luther goes to UD and loses.  Hmm

I sometimes wonder about UD's non-conference schedule.  It seems they play a lot of "easy wins" and that doesn't help when conference play gets underway.  We'll see if last year was an exception to that ... or if it was the beginning of better days for UD basketball.

Should get a good test tomorrow when they cross the river to play UW-Platteville tomorrow at 1:00.  I'm looking forward to this game to see how much improved UD is and also see how the Pioneers come out after a week of finals.

Hopefully some of you will be able to make the short trip up and catch the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 19, 2008, 05:15:02 PM
Quote from: Pioneer Hoops Fan on December 19, 2008, 04:21:20 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on December 15, 2008, 06:25:09 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 13, 2008, 07:21:40 PM
UD beats Marting Luther 82-79.

So, UD goes to Central and loses.  Martin Luther goes to Central and wins.  Martin Luther goes to UD and loses.  Hmm

I sometimes wonder about UD's non-conference schedule.  It seems they play a lot of "easy wins" and that doesn't help when conference play gets underway.  We'll see if last year was an exception to that ... or if it was the beginning of better days for UD basketball.

Should get a good test tomorrow when they cross the river to play UW-Platteville tomorrow at 1:00.  I'm looking forward to this game to see how much improved UD is and also see how the Pioneers come out after a week of finals.

Hopefully some of you will be able to make the short trip up and catch the game.

I loved making that trip way back when I was at Dubuque.  Of course those were the Bo Ryan days at UW-Platteville so even with a pretty good UD team we still lost most games by about 20 points.  We usually kept it under 10 points when the game was at Dubuque. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on December 20, 2008, 09:29:49 PM
Coe wins in Honolulu, HI against Illinois College 80-68.

Dux 19
Tateman 18
Borngraeber 12

Next up, Hawaii Pacific

Stay away from the Mai Tais fellas  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 21, 2008, 07:00:55 AM
UW-Platteville 71
UD  50
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cawcdad on December 29, 2008, 11:56:17 PM
There are pictures posted of Sunday's Simpson - Whitworth game (http://www.pictureprints.net/albums.php?gallery=2417) out here on the left coast for anyone interested.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on December 30, 2008, 03:47:00 AM
Eyewitness report from Thousand Oaks:

Cal Lutheran 57, Luther 51

CLU: Andy Meier 16 pts, 10 rebs, Aaron Van Klaveren 12 pts, 13 rebs, Greg Grimm 13 pts, 6 rebs, 4 assists, 3 steals
LC: Zac Ruckebeil 11 pts, 9 rebs, Dane Larson 11

Halftime: CLU 31-29
Rebounds: CLU 40-32
Records: Cal Lutheran 7-1, Luther 3-6

Cal Lutheran toughed it out against a stubborn Luther team. Typical CLU game with a lot of bumping, holding and pushing. Luther played an aggressive man-to-man and kept the game close, but Luther couldn't keep Andy Meier and Aaron Van Klaveren off the boards, and the Norse hurt themselves with poor FT shooting in the first half. The game got off to a very slow start, and was tied 17-17 at 6:30. The offenses picked up a bit and CLU led 31-29 at the break. In the second half the Kingsmen led 41-35 at 13:25, but the Norse rattled off 10 in a row and led 45-41. Luther led 51-50 with 3:14 left, but CLU scored the last 7 points of the game and held on for a hard earned win.

For CLU, Meier had another strong game with 16 points and 10 rebounds. Van Klaveren was a beast on the boards, and high-jumping Aaron Fisher had 5 key rebounds. For Luther, Zac Ruckebeil played a great game with 11 points, 9 rebounds and a nice block on Meier.

Buena Vista 108, Pacific Lutheran 100 OT

BVU: Matt Cleveland 29 pts, 12 rebs, Andre Wagner 21, Jeff Janssen 15
PLU: Kyle MacTaggart 24, Josh Dressler 21, Curtis Trondsen 20, James Conti 10

Halftime: PLU 42-40
Regulation: 84-84
Rebounds: BVU 55-38
Records: Buena Vista 9-1, Pacific Lutheran 5-3

Pacific Lutheran had a 7-point lead with 47 seconds to go in regulation, but a costly turnover and 2 missed FTs on 1-and-1s cost PLU a victory. Watching the teams warm up it looked like it would be a mismatch as Buena Vista towered over the much smaller Lutes, but PLU played a very aggressive man-to-man, overplaying and double teaming the ball à la Puget Sound, and refused to give in to Buena Vista, which outrebounded PLU 55-38.

In the first half, BVU had a 33-28 lead at 5:00, but PLU went on a 12-2 run to lead 40-35. Buena Vista tied it a 40, but Curtis Trondsen's jumper gave the Lutes a 42-40 halftime lead. In the second half, PLU was up 47-42, but BVU went on a 15-2 run and led 57-49 at 13:50, stretched the lead to 64-53 at 11:10, and looked to be in control. Back came Pacific Lutheran with a 17-3 run of its own, and the Lutes led 70-67 with just under 7 minutes to go. After BVU took a 77-76 lead, PLU made 8 straight and led 84-77 with 47 seconds to go. Matt Cleveland made a 3-ball to cut the lead to 84-80. After BVU took a TO, PLU tried to inbound the ball, but Kyle MacTaggart threw it straight out of bounds so no time ran off the clock. Cleveland got fouled and made 2 FTs to cut the lead to 84-82 with 35 seconds left. PLU's James Conti was fouled with 26 seconds left, but he missed on the 1-and-1, and Andre Wagner scored on a layup to tie the game at 84. After a timeout, PLU's Gabe Smith was fouled on the baseline by Jon Millea with 3.8 seconds left, but, like Conti, Smith missed on the 1-and-1. After a TO by BVU, Wagner took a half court runner which banked off the backboard and hit the rim but missed, and the game went to OT. Buena Vista exerted its muscle in OT, outscored PLU 14-3, and led 98-87 with 1:30 to go. The Lutes did not go quietly, however, and cut the lead to 102-98 before Wagner sealed the win with 4 straight FTs. Great college basketball game.

For Buena Vista, Matt Cleveland was awesome with 29 points, including 11-for-16 FGs and 3-for-3 on 3s, and 4-for-4 FTs, and he also had 12 rebounds. Andre Wagner was only 6-for-20 shooting and 1-for-6 on 3s, but he had 8 assists and 5 rebounds and was a very clutch 8-for-8 from the line. Freshman guard Jeff Janssen took advantage of PLU's overplaying defense, got open repeatedly, and scored 15 points on 5-for-6 on 3-balls. For PLU, Kyle MacTaggart had 24 on 8-for-13 (6-for-9 3s). Buena Vista shot 16-for-17 FTs, and Pacific Lutheran was 10-for-12, though the 2 misses at the end of regulation were killers.

Tuesday night Buena Vista will face Cal Lutheran at 8:00 p.m. Luther and Pacific Lutheran play in the early game at 6:00 p.m.

OxyBob
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 30, 2008, 06:15:45 AM
Wartburg beats Jamestown College of ND @ Eau Claire Wi tourney 74-68

http://www.go-knights.net/news/Article.aspx?ID=3202

"Freshman guard Cole Danielson of Marshalltown continued to move up the Knights' scoring chart, tallying 19 points behind five three-point baskets. Junior forward Jarrett Williams of Chicago, Ill., added 14, while junior forward Kelly McCarville of Cresco ended just one rebound shy of a double-double with 13 points and nine rebounds."

The Knights had a season low 7 turnovers.

BOX SCORE @ http://www.go-knights.net/mbasketball/0809stats/james08.htm

They will play UW-Eau Claire tonight for title.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on December 30, 2008, 02:12:26 PM
QuoteTypical CLU game with a lot of bumping, holding and pushing
It's not like the Norse did not expect it, that's what Vikings do! Did!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 30, 2008, 02:55:27 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on December 30, 2008, 02:12:26 PM
QuoteTypical CLU game with a lot of bumping, holding and pushing
It's not like the Norse did not expect it, that's what Vikings do! Did!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEYEFfAbB5g&feature=related (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEYEFfAbB5g&feature=related)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on December 31, 2008, 01:42:22 AM
Wartburg falls to UW-Eau Claire tonight in the title game of UWEC's holiday tourney, 92-70.  Wartburg with just one field goal in the first 5 and a half minutes.  Spotting a team a 17 point edge is not a good way to start a ballgame, especially on the road.  16 turnovers for Wartburg isn't bad, but isn't great either.  11 of 25 from the charity stripe is downright awful.  Mitch Eslick (17), Travis Kern (16), and Jordan Sathoff (12) all come off the bench to hit double digits for Wartburg.  Cole Danielson follows up a 19 point outing last night with an 0-3 night from the field in just 13 minutes.  Wartburg's bench outscored the starters 47-23.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 31, 2008, 10:10:36 AM
UW -EC Tournament notes

All-Tournament Team
Colin Boone, Eau Claire
Stephen Hanson, Northwestern
Kelly McCarville, Wartburg
John Peabody, Jamestown
Jordan Sathoff, Wartburg

Fireman Award (Non-starter)

Ryan Shea, Eau Claire

Hustle Award
Jacob Schlub, Eau Claire

King of the Boards Award
Kelly McCarville, Wartburg (19 rebounds)

Playmaker Award
Brian Lecheler, Northwestern (7 assists)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2009, 08:00:53 AM
Dubuque beats Simpson Saturday 69-53.  Dubuque sank 12-14 free throws to Simpson going 11-21 from the line.  Dubuque also out rebounded Simpson by a 43-28 mark.  The Spartans are now 9-3 over all and 2-1 in conference play.  Simpson is 0-3 in conference play. 

Next up for Dubuque is travelling the 6 blocks over to Loras College for an 8pm tipoff against the Duhawks on wednesday.  The Duhawks are 8-4 overall and 3-0 in league play. 

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/news.cfm?ID=1036&team=Mens%20Basketball
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 04, 2009, 11:36:46 AM
Sounds like the Knights kind of gave one away against Loras last night in Waverly.  34 all at the half and Loras puts together a 9-0 run in the early stages of the 2nd half.  Wartburg eventually works its way back and leads by 4 with 48 seconds to go, but gets outscored 7-0 between that point and the final horn to lose.  I wasn't there, but it sounds like the Knights played pretty well overall, but those two stretches just killed them.  Things get a bit easier, but not much, when Central comes calling on Wednesday.

Interesting note:  Last night was the first time Wartburg lost while wearing their white uniforms.  They had won both of their previous home games and twice when they wore the whites at tournaments over break.  They have still yet to pull out a W in the road blacks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 05, 2009, 09:08:37 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on December 31, 2008, 01:42:22 AM
Wartburg falls to UW-Eau Claire tonight in the title game of UWEC's holiday tourney, 92-70.  Wartburg with just one field goal in the first 5 and a half minutes.  Spotting a team a 17 point edge is not a good way to start a ballgame, especially on the road.  16 turnovers for Wartburg isn't bad, but isn't great either.  11 of 25 from the charity stripe is downright awful.  Mitch Eslick (17), Travis Kern (16), and Jordan Sathoff (12) all come off the bench to hit double digits for Wartburg.  Cole Danielson follows up a 19 point outing last night with an 0-3 night from the field in just 13 minutes.  Wartburg's bench outscored the starters 47-23.
Sounds like the Central - Wartburg game might be a snooze fest at the start.  Central spotted Cornell a 20 point lead.  Cornell was hitting everything they threw in the direction of the basket and Central was doing good not to throw air balls.  Both halfs Central scored about 5 points in the first 10 minutes.  At least they are consistent.   ::) ::) ::)  They made a nice first half run and could have turned it into a game if they didn't come out the second half and do the exact same thing.   :-[

Cornell had a very tall team and they shot with great accuracy, at least at the start of each half.  They were the better team and deserved the win.  Wait, didn't I say that just a few months ago about football...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCNorse on January 07, 2009, 10:21:29 AM
Does Simpson web cast their b-ball games? If so does anyone have the link to it?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2009, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: LCNorse on January 07, 2009, 10:21:29 AM
Does Simpson web cast their b-ball games? If so does anyone have the link to it?

Audio link http://www.redzonemedia.com/viewschedule.asp?sportID=3&SchoolID=409

I didn't notice if they also video stream. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LCNorse on January 07, 2009, 05:07:47 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 07, 2009, 03:27:15 PM
Quote from: LCNorse on January 07, 2009, 10:21:29 AM
Does Simpson web cast their b-ball games? If so does anyone have the link to it?

Audio link http://www.redzonemedia.com/viewschedule.asp?sportID=3&SchoolID=409

I didn't notice if they also video stream. 

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on January 07, 2009, 07:01:46 PM
I feel like I've been gone from the boards forever.  I need to catch up on my basketball action, the Christmas season always puts me behind.  In just looking at some stats and records it looks like teams that were expected to be in the top half of the conference are already there.  I'm excited to see UD tonight in the AWC. UD looks like they're on the upswing, while the Duhawks, despite being 3-0 so far, look pretty susceptible.
Loras really needs their big men to start producing.  Neither Brant nor Abbuhl is getting much done and Pawelski can't hit anything in his first year. 

Ok, enough being negative. With that said, I'm still pretty happy with the guards. They'll keep us in games with teams like BV and UD, but we really need to improve our paint presence if we want to win.

Also, I see the Iowa Conference jumped into the Youtube world. Their videos are really, really bad right now, but I'm glad they're getting on board with doing video.  Evident by the outcry for streaming games this year people seem to be pushing for it.  Are they looking to expand their video coverage? It'd be nice to see vids from all over the confernce outside of just streaming games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2009, 08:59:12 PM
Quote from: du-sz on January 07, 2009, 07:01:46 PM
I feel like I've been gone from the boards forever.  I need to catch up on my basketball action, the Christmas season always puts me behind.  In just looking at some stats and records it looks like teams that were expected to be in the top half of the conference are already there.  I'm excited to see UD tonight in the AWC. UD looks like they're on the upswing, while the Duhawks, despite being 3-0 so far, look pretty susceptible.
Loras really needs their big men to start producing.  Neither Brant nor Abbuhl is getting much done and Pawelski can't hit anything in his first year. 

Ok, enough being negative. With that said, I'm still pretty happy with the guards. They'll keep us in games with teams like BV and UD, but we really need to improve our paint presence if we want to win.

Also, I see the Iowa Conference jumped into the Youtube world. Their videos are really, really bad right now, but I'm glad they're getting on board with doing video.  Evident by the outcry for streaming games this year people seem to be pushing for it.  Are they looking to expand their video coverage? It'd be nice to see vids from all over the confernce outside of just streaming games.

Fire off an email to the conference...or work with Loras to hook you up with the conference and see if you can get some sort of internship with the conference in improving their video content!!!

Loras and UD about to tip off...go Spartans!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2009, 09:53:13 PM
UD leading Loras at the half 34-29
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2009, 10:46:58 PM
Dubuque beats Loras 81-71

UD announcer sounds upset that Loras couldn't get the win.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2009, 11:38:33 AM
With Jon D. back at UD from Clarke ... and with 3 former Clarke College basketball players now on the UD roster with Jon as an assistant coach ... and with UD fresh from their win over Loras last night ... how much animosity might there be in the city of Dubuque toward UD right now?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 08, 2009, 02:15:12 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2009, 11:38:33 AM
With Jon D. back at UD from Clarke ... and with 3 former Clarke College basketball players now on the UD roster with Jon as an assistant coach ... and with UD fresh from their win over Loras last night ... how much animosity might there be in the city of Dubuque toward UD right now?

I doubt not much more than usual.  Its fairly well known that Jon got a raw deal when he left Clarke.  He had guided that program from near graveyard status and wanted to be able to pick his successor to ensure that it would continue in the right direction.  But Clarke didn't let him, and brought in a coach with only juco experience.  That's why those three transfers jumped ship, and from what I hear there are quite a few of Davison's former players at Clarke that weren't too happy with how the whole thing went down.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 08, 2009, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2009, 11:38:33 AM
With Jon D. back at UD from Clarke ... and with 3 former Clarke College basketball players now on the UD roster with Jon as an assistant coach ... and with UD fresh from their win over Loras last night ... how much animosity might there be in the city of Dubuque toward UD right now?
Clarke screwed Coach D when he left and UD was more than happy to bring him back..his recruiting skills are great (I swear, he could always find a high scoring 3 man, going back to Jaron Warner and Jay Harris and even before that with Damon Rogers)..I'm glad he is back at UD and the basketball alumni are glad he is back too...he is sparking UD to catch up with other IIAC schools with alumni involvement (we are having the first formal alumni game in Feb..I can't remember there ever being one!) and the transfers are paying dividends
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 08, 2009, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: keith45 on January 08, 2009, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2009, 11:38:33 AM
With Jon D. back at UD from Clarke ... and with 3 former Clarke College basketball players now on the UD roster with Jon as an assistant coach ... and with UD fresh from their win over Loras last night ... how much animosity might there be in the city of Dubuque toward UD right now?
Clarke screwed Coach D when he left and UD was more than happy to bring him back..his recruiting skills are great (I swear, he could always find a high scoring 3 man, going back to Jaron Warner and Jay Harris and even before that with Damon Rogers)..I'm glad he is back at UD and the basketball alumni are glad he is back too...he is sparking UD to catch up with other IIAC schools with alumni involvement (we are having the first formal alumni game in Feb..I can't remember there ever being one!) and the transfers are paying dividends

Damon Rogers was a great player.  He sometimes took a back seat to Dave Crawford, which is a shame. 

UD is figuring out that happy alumni equal giving alumni.  It's nice to see the school reaching out to players from our past. 

Here is a write up of last nights game from the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald... http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=228823  It was fun listening to the webcast last night.  I feel good about this UD team.  Something that hasn't happened much in the last decade or so. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 08, 2009, 06:01:49 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 08, 2009, 05:59:05 PM
Quote from: keith45 on January 08, 2009, 05:36:33 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 08, 2009, 11:38:33 AM
With Jon D. back at UD from Clarke ... and with 3 former Clarke College basketball players now on the UD roster with Jon as an assistant coach ... and with UD fresh from their win over Loras last night ... how much animosity might there be in the city of Dubuque toward UD right now?
Clarke screwed Coach D when he left and UD was more than happy to bring him back..his recruiting skills are great (I swear, he could always find a high scoring 3 man, going back to Jaron Warner and Jay Harris and even before that with Damon Rogers)..I'm glad he is back at UD and the basketball alumni are glad he is back too...he is sparking UD to catch up with other IIAC schools with alumni involvement (we are having the first formal alumni game in Feb..I can't remember there ever being one!) and the transfers are paying dividends

Damon Rogers was a great player.  He sometimes took a back seat to Dave Crawford, which is a shame. 

UD is figuring out that happy alumni equal giving alumni.  It's nice to see the school reaching out to players from our past. 

Here is a write up of last nights game from the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald... http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=228823  It was fun listening to the webcast last night.  I feel good about this UD team.  Something that hasn't happened much in the last decade or so. 

They have figured that out..I'm actually making a donation next week!
I got to watch the game on Loras' webcast...not the best but I saw enough to have more hope..will see them live in a few weeks, Feb 7th weekend, which is Feb 7th
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 08, 2009, 06:17:02 PM
Quote from: keith45 on January 08, 2009, 06:01:49 PM

They have figured that out..I'm actually making a donation next week!
I got to watch the game on Loras' webcast...not the best but I saw enough to have more hope..will see them live in a few weeks, Feb 7th weekend, which is Feb 7th

We will make our annual trip to Waverly to see the Spartans one week earlier.  Though, with the new Stoltz Center we should probably also plan a trip to Dubuque to see a home game soon.  Don't know about that yet.  After your donation will we be watching UD in the Keith45 Dome???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 08, 2009, 08:07:40 PM
haha, not even close..one perk of working for a large multi national is that they give employees money to donate..$500 a bucks a year, to eligible non-profits..so $500 a year goes to UD, in my name!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 11, 2009, 04:24:27 PM
4 games Saturday and all nail biters.

Central @ Buena Vista 76-77 (OT)   
Cornell @ Luther 65-56   
Loras @ Simpson 61-59   
Wartburg @ Coe 60-59 (OT)

2 OT 1 point games, another 2 point game, and Cornell with a 9 point win. 

This is shaping up to be a very hard fought conference season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 11, 2009, 06:23:17 PM
Central really has to feel like they let one get away.  Up 8 with six and a half to play and they get beat.  If they shot even a bit better than 4 of twenty something from distance or their 50% from the line they would have been able to grab a road win in Storm Lake, something not many teams can do.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2009, 07:21:19 PM
Current conference standings

Buena Vista  4-0 12-1
Loras ---------4-1 9-5
Dubuque -----3-1 10-3
Cornell --------3-1 10-3
Wartburg -----2-2 6-6
Central --------2-3 8-6
Simpson -------1-4 5-9
Luther ---------1-4 4-9
Coe ------------0-4 4-9

Wednesdays games

Jan. 14 Buena Vista @ Dubuque   BV OT victors over Central : UD won @ Loras
Jan. 14 Cornell @ Loras    Cornell beat Luther : Loras lost @ home to UD
Jan. 14 Luther @ Wartburg   Lost @ home to Cornell : Wartburg won @ Coe in OT
Jan. 14 Simpson @ Coe   Simpson coming off a bye : Coe lost @ home in OT to WB
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 12, 2009, 08:55:23 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 12, 2009, 07:21:19 PM
Current conference standings

Buena Vista  4-0 12-1
Loras ---------4-1 9-5
Dubuque -----3-1 10-3
Cornell --------3-1 10-3
Wartburg -----2-2 6-6
Central --------2-3 8-6
Simpson -------1-4 5-9
Luther ---------1-4 4-9
Coe ------------0-4 4-9

Wednesdays games

Jan. 14 Buena Vista @ Dubuque   BV OT victors over Central : UD won @ Loras
Jan. 14 Cornell @ Loras    Cornell beat Luther : Loras lost @ home to UD
Jan. 14 Luther @ Wartburg   Lost @ home to Cornell : Wartburg won @ Coe in OT
Jan. 14 Simpson @ Coe   Simpson coming off a bye : Coe lost @ home in OT to WB


Simpson just lost at home by two to Loras.  They aren't coming off a bye.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: titan2000 on January 13, 2009, 11:00:10 AM
BV Fans:

we were discussing our 2005 run at Lawrence the other night and we laughed about the Storm Lake vist we made that year.  We all arrived the night before and were told clearly by the hotel folks that if we went to the bars (which we did) that it was illegal for us to walk back if we were intoxicated (which we were).  Do the hotels have a commission deal with the cab company or with the cops for drunk driving fines?

Please explain this as we were all still unclear as to what the deal was.  We had a good time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 14, 2009, 02:34:44 PM
So ... how much separation and how much of a log-jam do we get after tonight's contests?

BV at UD and Cornell at Loras both promise to be interesting if not exciting.

UD has a chance at home if they play with consistency, but the Beavers still are favored.

The Ram's only losses have been to 3 ranked-in-the-top-ten D3 teams ... so will Loras loose two in a row at home?

GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 14, 2009, 06:48:55 PM
Live video streaming of the UD/BV game tonight on the UD website.

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/Video.cfm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 14, 2009, 09:40:25 PM
BV up by 3 points @ UD at the half 33-30
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 14, 2009, 10:44:48 PM
BV holds on to beat Dubuque 66-62  Dubuque had the ball down 2 with 10 seconds left.  BV stole the ball with .5 of a second left and was fouled.  Hitting their 2 free throws for the difference. 

Good game.  Nice to see Dubuque being able to give the conference heavy weights all they can handle.  It's been a few years since the Spartans could do that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 14, 2009, 11:31:27 PM
Knights win 66-61 over Luther.  Great start by Wartburg, jumping out to a 16-4 lead five and a half minutes in.  Luther got themselves back in with a 9-2 run to end the first half, and came out like gangbusters after halftime, nailing 6 three-pointers in the first ten minutes and eventually taking a 7 point edge with 9:10 to play.  Ryan Kuhn made four of those 3s on his way to 14 2nd half points (2 in the first half).  Knights came out of a time out at the 9:10 mark and ran off 11 straight points.  Cashes Mason absolutely took over, scoring 10 in a row for the Knights at one point.  Knights did a good job of closing the thing out, hitting 4 of 6 FTs down the stretch and limiting Luther to just 7 points in the final 5 minutes.

Great crowd on hand for the game too.  I don't know that I've seen so many Wartburg students on hand since the W opened, so that was good to see.  They do need to learn that timeouts are when you stand up and chant or do something to make noise, and not just plop down and wait for play to resume.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 15, 2009, 08:02:13 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 14, 2009, 11:31:27 PM
Knights win 66-61 over Luther.  Great start by Wartburg, jumping out to a 16-4 lead five and a half minutes in.  Luther got themselves back in with a 9-2 run to end the first half, and came out like gangbusters after halftime, nailing 6 three-pointers in the first ten minutes and eventually taking a 7 point edge with 9:10 to play.  Ryan Kuhn made four of those 3s on his way to 14 2nd half points (2 in the first half).  Knights came out of a time out at the 9:10 mark and ran off 11 straight points.  Cashes Mason absolutely took over, scoring 10 in a row for the Knights at one point.  Knights did a good job of closing the thing out, hitting 4 of 6 FTs down the stretch and limiting Luther to just 7 points in the final 5 minutes.

Great crowd on hand for the game too.  I don't know that I've seen so many Wartburg students on hand since the W opened, so that was good to see.  They do need to learn that timeouts are when you stand up and chant or do something to make noise, and not just plop down and wait for play to resume.

Cashes was great at the end and he was gassed. The TO Luther took before Cashes was to shoot 2 FT's was a great favor for the Knights. A minute to rest and catch his breath was the reason he made both FT's. No Travis Kearn again. Not sure when he'll make his return.
I would add Cole Danielson hitting 6 of 9 3's + 22 total helped A LOT.
The first 5 minutes and from the time it was 52-45 Luther to the end were as good as I've seen the Knights play this year.
Luther's big men were NO factor the 1st half but came out a lot more aggressive and were a factor as well.
If they ever get Danielson and McCarville scoring in the same game watch out.
3 wins in a row with a road trip to Simpson on Sat.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WartburgPoliSci11 on January 19, 2009, 02:30:05 AM
Anyone have an idea why Mitch Eslick has been playing so little recently, his knee still bothering him or just struggles?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 19, 2009, 09:00:49 AM
I don' t know about the Simpson game  (5) but before that game he got 13 minutes in each game against Luther and Coe and 32 before that against Central.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 19, 2009, 10:32:02 PM
Central is playing better than I thought they might this year, given the losses to graduation last year, but I wish they would play the full 40 minutes.  We can't seem to avoid hitting a Looonnnggg cold streak that takes us out of games that we might otherwise win.  They have the potential and some good talent, they just need to stay focused for the whole game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 19, 2009, 10:45:58 PM
Another almost win by the Dutch on the road against a top team.  If they had played the whole second half with the determination of the last minute...

Still a good job by the Central Dutch.  You are giving teams all they can handle, even if you don't always come out on top.  At least we aren't a team to be over looked anymore.   Boschee is going to get us there yet.  We just have to learn to refuse to lose. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 20, 2009, 08:43:39 AM
Quote from: WartburgPoliSci11 on January 19, 2009, 02:30:05 AM
Anyone have an idea why Mitch Eslick has been playing so little recently, his knee still bothering him or just struggles?

Mitch was FINE last night in Wartburg's big 80-66 win over # 6 BV last night. Ask Kyle Stribe of BV. Mitch put a move on him and as they say at the playgrounug "broke  his ankles" in the first half... put him on the floor and ref's had to call a TO to see if he could continue to play.
Cole and Mitch set the tone for the game by hitting 5 -3's in the first 4 minutes. Very solid game by Cashes, 9 assists, 2 TO's. BV got the score to 33-32 with 5 minutes to go in 1st half but most of the rest of the game was 7 to 15 pt lead for the Knights. The student section was into the game. BV looked like they didn't want to be there at all. But I'm sure they'll be ready on 2/4/09  in Storm Lake.

WARNING TO CONFERENCE BIG MEN. If you are going to set a ball screen, BV's big men will come up and deliver a shove to your back that would be 10yd penalty in the NFL.

# Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
12 Danielson, Cole..... 7-14       7-13      4-4    0    3    3    0  25  5  1  0  1  33
22 Eslick, Mitch.......   7-14       5-12      2-3    2    6    8     1  21  4  0  0  1  27


http://www.go-knights.net/news/Article.aspx?ID=3252
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 20, 2009, 11:00:27 AM
Last night's game was the first one that reminded me of old-school Knights Gym.  Student section did a great job thru the entire game, with the exception of that "overrated" chant at the end of the game.  I personally hate that one.

Knights came out firing last night and did a great job keeping the lead and doing enough to keep BV at bay.  BV is a very good team, but any time you spot a team an 11 point lead and they are shooting as well from the arc as Wartburg was last night, it is a very tall order.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 20, 2009, 12:07:21 PM
How 'bout them Rams?!

LaDew becomes the school's all-time leading scorer last night as the Rams roll Coe @ the Crunchberry Fieldhouse.

Rams are putting together a solid season.

Nice to see... :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2009, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 20, 2009, 11:00:27 AM
Last night's game was the first one that reminded me of old-school Knights Gym.  Student section did a great job thru the entire game, with the exception of that "overrated" chant at the end of the game.  I personally hate that one.

It's a chant that makes absolutely no sense. If you say that the other team is overrated, then you're devaluing your team's victory over that other team. It's one of those chants that's 100% emotion, 0% logic.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 20, 2009, 12:42:53 PM
#2 Kyle Stribe for BV  should look into this;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1OLEzsmFXY

As for "over-rated" chant, in the IIAC you don't get too many chances of playing a rated team and when you give 'em a butt kickin' let them know it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2009, 01:16:04 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 20, 2009, 12:42:53 PM
As for "over-rated" chant, in the IIAC you don't get too many chances of playing a rated team and when you give 'em a butt kickin' let them know it.

Let them know it by saying that they're overrated? That your victory over them is therefore worth less than what the experts think?

I can think of a million things to chant to put an exclamation point on a big win that work better than "Overrated!"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 20, 2009, 03:13:25 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 20, 2009, 12:08:43 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 20, 2009, 11:00:27 AM
Last night's game was the first one that reminded me of old-school Knights Gym.  Student section did a great job thru the entire game, with the exception of that "overrated" chant at the end of the game.  I personally hate that one.

It's a chant that makes absolutely no sense. If you say that the other team is overrated, then you're devaluing your team's victory over that other team. It's one of those chants that's 100% emotion, 0% logic.

My thoughts exactly.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 20, 2009, 04:00:47 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 20, 2009, 11:00:27 AM
Last night's game was the first one that reminded me of old-school Knights Gym.  Student section did a great job thru the entire game, with the exception of that "overrated" chant at the end of the game.  I personally hate that one.

Knights came out firing last night and did a great job keeping the lead and doing enough to keep BV at bay.  BV is a very good team, but any time you spot a team an 11 point lead and they are shooting as well from the arc as Wartburg was last night, it is a very tall order.

I was thinking about that last year when I visited the W.  The Knights old place was an intimidating place to visit.  The W last year seemed to be a very nice...and very quiet place.  I have wondered if that is the case at Loras as well.  The old Loras field house was very loud and intimidating.  The new place...???

Good to hear that Wartburg is getting the students into the place and making it loud.  That's what basketball should be. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AENeumann Jr on January 20, 2009, 10:19:28 PM
I agree wit the over rated chant, not a fan, sorry pops
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 21, 2009, 09:59:11 AM
Massey Ratings for Men's BB are out. 

# 22  BV
# 44  Cornell
# 75  Loras
# 88 Wartburg
#121 UD
#146 Central
#155 Simpson
#232 Luther
#281 Coe

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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 21, 2009, 10:28:43 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 21, 2009, 09:59:11 AM
Massey Ratings for Men's BB are out. 

# 22  BV
# 44  Cornell
# 75  Loras
# 88 Wartburg
#121 UD
#146 Central
#155 Simpson
#232 Luther
#281 Coe

Things have shaken out about the way the confernce pre-season prediction. Cornell may be a little better and Coe worse than expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: beandipper on January 21, 2009, 02:14:07 PM
Maybe Eslick did put a move on Stribe, but at least Stribe isn't as god awful ugly as that kid.  Jeez if I had to wake up everyday and look in the mirror I have no idea what I would do.  He must have hit every ugly branch of the ugly tree on the way down and then some.  Looks like Saatoff is going to continue the tradition.  Nice job Peth, I think you have put together the ugliest team in D3.  I guess they deserve to win a few games since they luck so stinkin awful, they just happened to get lucky against BV, I feel sorry for their fans. 

Perhaps Eslick should take a look at this video, he definitely fits in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCqzsJ4Z9jQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCqzsJ4Z9jQ)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 21, 2009, 02:32:30 PM
Quote from: beandipper on January 21, 2009, 02:14:07 PM
Looks like Saatoff is going to continue the tradition.  Nice job Peth, I think you have put together the ugliest team in D3.  I guess they deserve to win a few games since they luck so stinkin awful, they just happened to get lucky against BV, I feel sorry for their fans. 


I'm sorry, I didn't know this basketball was a beauty contest. I thought the object of the game was to put the ball in the basket for more points than the other team.
I'll take "players"over "pretty boys" EVERYTIME .
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WartburgPoliSci11 on January 21, 2009, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 20, 2009, 08:43:39 AM
Quote from: WartburgPoliSci11 on January 19, 2009, 02:30:05 AM
Anyone have an idea why Mitch Eslick has been playing so little recently, his knee still bothering him or just struggles?

Mitch was FINE last night in Wartburg's big 80-66 win over # 6 BV last night. Ask Kyle Stribe of BV. Mitch put a move on him and as they say at the playgrounug "broke  his ankles" in the first half... put him on the floor and ref's had to call a TO to see if he could continue to play.
Cole and Mitch set the tone for the game by hitting 5 -3's in the first 4 minutes. Very solid game by Cashes, 9 assists, 2 TO's. BV got the score to 33-32 with 5 minutes to go in 1st half but most of the rest of the game was 7 to 15 pt lead for the Knights. The student section was into the game. BV looked like they didn't want to be there at all. But I'm sure they'll be ready on 2/4/09  in Storm Lake.

WARNING TO CONFERENCE BIG MEN. If you are going to set a ball screen, BV's big men will come up and deliver a shove to your back that would be 10yd penalty in the NFL.

# Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
12 Danielson, Cole..... 7-14       7-13      4-4    0    3    3    0  25  5  1  0  1  33
22 Eslick, Mitch.......   7-14       5-12      2-3    2    6    8     1  21  4  0  0  1  27


http://www.go-knights.net/news/Article.aspx?ID=3252

Yeah I was there, it figures I make a comment about a few off nights and he just tears it up.  Good to see, I've always enjoyed watching Mitch going from him leading us to the playoffs senior year to here at Wartburg. Also I think your being a little harsh on Mitch's looks(although I must say his sister was more blessed in that department)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on January 22, 2009, 01:05:54 PM
Quote from: beandipper on January 21, 2009, 02:14:07 PM
Maybe Eslick did put a move on Stribe, but at least Stribe isn't as god awful ugly as that kid.  Jeez if I had to wake up everyday and look in the mirror I have no idea what I would do.  He must have hit every ugly branch of the ugly tree on the way down and then some.  Looks like Saatoff is going to continue the tradition.  Nice job Peth, I think you have put together the ugliest team in D3.  I guess they deserve to win a few games since they luck so stinkin awful, they just happened to get lucky against BV, I feel sorry for their fans. 

Perhaps Eslick should take a look at this video, he definitely fits in

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCqzsJ4Z9jQ (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCqzsJ4Z9jQ)
Great first post. Classic. Can't win on the court so he rips the looks of the other team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 22, 2009, 02:26:14 PM
Welcome back to his side WH. Tough night last night for the Knights @ Cornell. Haven't talked to Jr. to get run down, but consistency has been an issue all season.

Are you going to make it to a game @ Levick this year? Let me know we could do beverages @ the Neumann Home
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 22, 2009, 07:57:18 PM
Cornell showing something in turning away a Wartburg team fresh off a win over BV.

Dare one consider that the Rams have a shot at the League title?

It will be interesting to see if the Rams can beat either BV or Loras or both in the return engagement...all the while avoiding dropping one to the teams trailing at the moment.

Lot's of dangerous teams in the IIAC...

(if only this were football we were talking about)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 22, 2009, 08:59:42 PM
Quote from: beandipper on January 21, 2009, 02:14:07 PM
Maybe Eslick did put a move on Stribe, but at least Stribe isn't as god awful ugly as that kid.  Jeez if I had to wake up everyday and look in the mirror I have no idea what I would do.  He must have hit every ugly branch of the ugly tree on the way down and then some.

This coming from a fan of the school that gave us such mugs as Jordan Campbell is rich.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on January 23, 2009, 10:43:31 AM

[/quote]
Great first post. Classic. Can't win on the court so he rips the looks of the other team.
[/quote]

Can't win on the court?  Maybe the most recent game wasn't won, but pretty sure BV has done MORE than its fair share of winning. 

sportsknight - you're really singling out Jordan Campbell?  I could see mentioning a couple other guys, but Jordan?  Did he dunk on you?  Or hit some 3's in your face?  There has to be some sort of personal grudge on that comment...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 24, 2009, 09:03:36 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 21, 2009, 10:28:43 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 21, 2009, 09:59:11 AM
Massey Ratings for Men's BB are out. 

# 22  BV
# 44  Cornell
# 75  Loras
# 88 Wartburg
#121 UD
#146 Central
#155 Simpson
#232 Luther
#281 Coe

Things have shaken out about the way the confernce pre-season prediction. Cornell may be a little better and Coe worse than expected.
I think Central is doing a little better than most on here predicted, if I remember right.  And the fact that they lead at BV, at Wartburg and at Loras for most of the games is a real sign that they are turning the corner and are capable of being a top half conference team and could compete for the championship as early as next year.  I say capable and could because they have got to get consistency mastered before it will happen.  They have the talent and most of it will be back again next year.  Except for Grant Franzen, who quit the team. 

But they put together a full game against Simpson on Wednesday.  They started out strong, Simpson managed to make one small run at them, but Central really never looked back, and unless it was in the first minute or two, Simpson never lead.  They have to get their endurance ramped up so that 40 minutes and OT as needed doesn't find the gas tank on empty.  They have a deep bench which helps.  Loren Liming has become one of their more consistent players inside.  Miguel Ley is playing strong again.  Mick Hoffman has really stepped up big time.  Unfortunately that has landed Demarko Turner on the bench most of the time and I think he could really be great with more playing time.  But they are fun to watch and it has been awhile since they have really been fun to watch.  Good job Dutch, now turn that corner and slam the door on the past few years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 24, 2009, 08:53:03 PM
Video for tonights Cornell @ Dubuque game can be found at http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/Video.cfm

I should get to watch this one.  I should have the kids baths done and in bed within 40 minutes.  My wife has the flu and doesn't want me anywhere near her.  The Hawkeyes have already played today.  That leaves me sitting downstairs in front of the computer watching the Spartans and the Rams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 24, 2009, 09:44:46 PM
Dubuque up on Cornell at the half 29-19

I just started watching.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 24, 2009, 10:46:44 PM
Dubuque hangs on to beat Cornell 61-56
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on January 24, 2009, 10:54:47 PM
Wartburg basketball hasn't been the same since they tore down the old barn and put up the Taj Mahal.  Have the b-ballers at Wartburg become soft and lazy with the nice digs?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 26, 2009, 02:11:12 PM
Interesting stat from Wartburg's 105-46 win over FAITH BAPTIST BIBLE COLLEGE.

Wartburg made 43 shots - 34 assists.


http://www.go-knights.net/mbasketball/0809stats/fbbc09.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on January 26, 2009, 03:31:09 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 26, 2009, 02:11:12 PM
Interesting stat from Wartburg's 105-46 win over FAITH BAPTIST BIBLE COLLEGE.

Wartburg made 43 shots - 34 assists.


http://www.go-knights.net/mbasketball/0809stats/fbbc09.htm

That's a good development.  I know the coaching staff was a little disappointed with the assist numbers in some of those losses over Christmas break.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 26, 2009, 07:17:28 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on January 26, 2009, 03:31:09 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 26, 2009, 02:11:12 PM
Interesting stat from Wartburg's 105-46 win over FAITH BAPTIST BIBLE COLLEGE.

Wartburg made 43 shots - 34 assists.


http://www.go-knights.net/mbasketball/0809stats/fbbc09.htm

That's a good development.  I know the coaching staff was a little disappointed with the assist numbers in some of those losses over Christmas break.

More a reflection on the competition. Elijah had 3 ally-opp dunks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 28, 2009, 09:49:33 AM
Loras basketball to celebrate 100 years of hoops.  http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=231034

What happened to all those Loras posters that were on here last year?  Don't post unless their team is in first maybe?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 28, 2009, 09:18:36 PM
Sounds like Central had another good game in beating Coe at Coe.  It will be interesting to see if we can beat BV on our floor again this year.  Given that they barely got by up there, I am hoping the odds will be with us. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on January 29, 2009, 03:37:42 PM
How did the blackout go last night?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on January 29, 2009, 10:48:25 PM
Looks like Stribe got over his broken ankle vs. Coe.......

## Player Name            FG-FGA FG-FGA FT-FTA OF DE TOT PF  TP  A TO BLK S MIN
02 Stribe, Kyle........ g        9-11   7-8       1-2     3   5    8    1   26  2  2    0   1  24
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 30, 2009, 01:24:30 AM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on January 29, 2009, 03:37:42 PM
How did the blackout go last night?

It went really well for the women's game.  Things really died down during the men's game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 31, 2009, 07:37:53 PM
Congratulations to the Beavers.  I thought maybe the Central men could pull one out tonight given that they gave BV all they could handle on their court earlier, but it wasn't to be.  Central played very well at times and didn't play bad at any time, but the Beavers were the better team tonight and they clearly wanted the win more.  It was not a winable game for us tonight, we ran out of gas, but I do think we are moving the program in the right direction.  Our time will come. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on January 31, 2009, 10:32:33 PM
No worries, there are still die-hard Duhawks lurking on this site, although after watching today's game, I probably shouldn't be choosing today to begin posting again.  Today was the classic trap game, Loras celebrating 100 years of basketball 1300 fans in attendence against the last place team and....we lose.  I won't even comment on it except to say I hope the L doesn't come back to haunt us too badly.

I tend to agree with the posters concerning the new places around the league, I've visited the W and was unimpressed with the atmosphere, but I can't say Loras is any better.  700 in the old Fieldhouse felt packed and loud, 700 in the AWC feels 1/2 full and quiet.  The area designated as the student section is not the best place to watch and therefore the students don't sit there and if they don't sit as a group the atmosphere struggles.  Hopefully things will change.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 01, 2009, 03:56:42 AM
What a big win for the Kohawks today.  It might still be too big of a hole to climb out of to make the IIAC Tournament, but they finally played a whole game today, instead of a half here and a half there.

Congrats to the guys for the win.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on February 01, 2009, 09:49:23 AM
Wow!

Did not expect that...

and on the big alumni day too.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 01, 2009, 10:05:21 AM
They often describe a game as 'a game of two halves'  That was definatly the case yesterday between Dubuque and Wartburg.  Close game at halftime.  Close game 5 minutes into the 2nd half.  Then Wartburg went on to put a beating on the Spartans.  It was 33-33 minutes into the 2nd half and about 2 minutes later it was 46-33.  At that point I turned off that game and tuned into Dubuque beating BV in wrestling. 

My sister wasn't able to babysit so we stayed home.  The Wartburg kids doing the broadcast did an excellent job.  There were also multiple camera angles which was nice.  Took the time to inverview both teams coaches.  Job well done by the Wartburg crew.  It was fun to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2009, 12:04:31 PM
Nice little write up in the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald about UD honoring Jon Davison this weekend.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=231770

A classic D3 story here.  While a student at UD Davison lettered in 4 sports.  In addition to coaching basketball for 27 years at UD he also spent time as the AD, golf coach (15 years), track coach (6 years), tennis coach (3 years), cross country coach (10 years), and baseball coach (1 year). 

While I was at UD, I once got yelled at by Davison.  My frat fired off our cannon shortly before the homecoming game one year and he came over and told us in a fairly loud voice that the IIAC forbid artificial noise makers at league games so we better knock it off!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 05, 2009, 12:53:50 AM
Interesting night in Mount Vernon, where Cornell celebrated 100 years of Coe-Cornell basketball, even though the series began in 1902. Maybe they haven't covered math yet. Anyway, the Kohawks battled but the Rams prevailed before an impressive crowd of students. As someone said to me, "They sure like their fourth-place basketball team." HA!

Anyone know the origins of the toilet paper thing?

The bleu cheese burger, onion rings and Fat Tire at Chameleon's were delightful, as usual. Every now and then, a person should treat himself.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on February 05, 2009, 05:41:53 PM
Quote from: Charlie Kohawk on February 05, 2009, 12:53:50 AM
Interesting night in Mount Vernon, where Cornell celebrated 100 years of Coe-Cornell basketball, even though the series began in 1902. Maybe they haven't covered math yet. Anyway, the Kohawks battled but the Rams prevailed before an impressive crowd of students. As someone said to me, "They sure like their fourth-place basketball team." HA!

Anyone know the origins of the toilet paper thing?

The bleu cheese burger, onion rings and Fat Tire at Chameleon's were delightful, as usual. Every now and then, a person should treat himself.

Charles...please...everyone knows there were missed games due to times someone from Coe forgot the directions to Mount Vernon.

We sure like our 4th place team when it clinches an IIAC Tourney birth at the expense of the last-place Kohacks.

:P    :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 05, 2009, 10:40:00 PM
To try and get everyone excited about their last-place team, Coe is going to go all Bulls-Style for their starting lineup Saturday when UD comes to town. We'll see if it lights the spark.
Does anyone else in the conference do this? Admittedly it has been quite a while since I have been to an IIAC bball game, but I remember when we used to go to Coe there was a pretty good and somewhat loud crowd. Has it got pretty stale there with a bad team?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 05, 2009, 11:19:56 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on February 05, 2009, 05:41:53 PM
Charles...please...everyone knows there were missed games due to times someone from Coe forgot the directions to Mount Vernon.
I'm sure there were missed games. But they first played in 1902. The 100-year anniversary was 7 years ago. But credit the Rams for waiting until they had a team that could win.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2009, 11:58:31 PM
They're not celebrating an anniversary, by your own admission. They're celebrating 100 years of the rivalry.

I don't know if you missed the anniversary when you were SID or what but the sour grapes over someone else coming up with a good publicity idea is a little out of place.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 06, 2009, 12:08:00 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2009, 11:58:31 PM
They're not celebrating an anniversary, by your own admission. They're celebrating 100 years of the rivalry.

I don't know if you missed the anniversary when you were SID or what but the sour grapes over someone else coming up with a good publicity idea is a little out of place.
Touche! Though my unheralded tenure ended before then.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: loveofthegameq on February 06, 2009, 03:23:02 PM
Been a part of D3 hoops in Iowa Conference for awhile now and a fan of the message boards but making my first post.  Not able to follow the conference first hand or as much as I would like.  Wanted to get some updates from some people closer to the programs and teams.  Have any other schools come calling for the head man at BV with all their recent successes? What's up with Coe this season, they had some good teams the past few years? Any news on coaching changes that may be taking place this season? Look forward to hearing back from you veteran posters. Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2009, 03:32:23 PM
Welcome to the board.  Great to have you here.  Unfortunately, I can't answer any of those questions.  I get to 1 or 2 basketball games per year and that is just to cheer my team on.  Other than that, as far as basketball goes, I have no inside information. 

Fee free to post on here early and often.  The past 2 seasons the basketball side has quieted down, while the football side has stayed active.  Would be nice to see some more basketball talk on here. 

I am a Dubuque fan.  What team do you support?  Or are you a fan of the whole conference?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 06, 2009, 11:25:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2009, 11:58:31 PM
They're not celebrating an anniversary, by your own admission. They're celebrating 100 years of the rivalry.


In my humble opinion, this is the better way to do it.  I couldn't help but laugh at Loras a couple years ago when the celebrated "100 Seasons of Duhawk Football" even though there was a full decade in there where football was only a club sport "on the boulevard."  Poor effort if you ask me.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 07, 2009, 03:29:34 PM
Good luck to the Dutch today against Dubuque.  Should have had a win against their cross-town rivals Wednesday night, but it was an awesome game to watch.  I think Loras was might glad to get out of town with a double OT win.  I think the Dutch have turned that corner, they are playing hard and looking for the chance to meet Loras and/or BV again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: trey1919 on February 08, 2009, 05:32:06 PM
So I'm watching a mens basketball game at Coe yesterday and a ref decides to act like he's calling a rec league game. In the 2nd half after a Luther kid barks a little too much after no call under his own basket the ref blows his whisle, literally stops play and tells the kid so the whole gym can hear that if he say's anything else he's kicking him out of the game. And here I always thought technical fouls were meant to be used when the the ref feels offended, where after getting two you kick yourself out of the game. Thought it was bush league. Coe ended the game on a last second shot following a controversal over and back call on Luther with 8 ticks left. Good game though. In reading the paper this morning I find maybe the kid had a legitimate gripe.....Coe shot 25 free throws to Luthers 8.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on February 08, 2009, 07:27:17 PM
Were the calls bad or not?  The 25 -8 freethrow advantage/disadvantage does not mean the refs were bad.  When a team fouls, it should get called for a foul.  The refs have no obligation to keep the number of fouls even.

When people use the foul disparity as proof the reffing was bad, that pisses me off more than bad reffing itself.

For the record, I think most refs suck.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 08, 2009, 09:39:08 PM
Quote from: trey1919 on February 08, 2009, 05:32:06 PM
So I'm watching a mens basketball game at Coe yesterday and a ref decides to act like he's calling a rec league game. In the 2nd half after a Luther kid barks a little too much after no call under his own basket the ref blows his whisle, literally stops play and tells the kid so the whole gym can hear that if he say's anything else he's kicking him out of the game. And here I always thought technical fouls were meant to be used when the the ref feels offended, where after getting two you kick yourself out of the game. Thought it was bush league. Coe ended the game on a last second shot following a controversal over and back call on Luther with 8 ticks left. Good game though. In reading the paper this morning I find maybe the kid had a legitimate gripe.....Coe shot 25 free throws to Luthers 8.

I wouldn't say the official said it so the whole gym could hear it.  He was moving down the court and yelled it to the coach, as he was trying to keep play going.  Do you recall at the Coe-Luther game in Decorah the official grabbing a Coe player and yelling really loud "get this jerk out of my face and off the floor"?  No Technical foul there either.

The over and back wasn't controversial.  Although, I'm not sure the Coe stats people gave the turnover to teh correct person, as it looked to me the call was for the first player to touch the ball that carried the ball back across the line with him.

The shot at the end of the game was awesome.  Fade away jumper in the lane.  As for the Free throw shooting, the fouls were 19-13, which isn't a big difference.  Luther just fouled at the wrong times apparently.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2009, 12:06:48 PM
Quote from: 3baller on February 08, 2009, 07:27:17 PM
Were the calls bad or not?  The 25 -8 freethrow advantage/disadvantage does not mean the refs were bad.  When a team fouls, it should get called for a foul.  The refs have no obligation to keep the number of fouls even.

When people use the foul disparity as proof the reffing was bad, that pisses me off more than bad reffing itself.

Hear, hear!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on February 09, 2009, 03:50:55 PM
Question:

How does Sager explain his 8 stars over Pat's 5 stars?

Unless Pat pulls out the tried and true arguments of "Mine's bigger" or "Quality over quantity" .

How many little stars equals a big star?

:D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on February 09, 2009, 04:03:28 PM
Incidentally...

A large foul disparity can develop when one team plays zone and one plays aggressive man to man.

Or one team takes the ball to the basket versus one content to jack up 3's all night.

The thing that drives me nuts about officials is simply laziness.  I feel they are obligated to hustle.  To change sides frequently so as to balance calling style differences between refs.  And for pete's sake to not posture.

Tell the captains and coaches what to expect at the pregame pow-wow and call your game.  Last but not least...don't take anything personal...nobody likes you...you are the ref.  (Exaggeration, but a ref has to have a think skin.)

I think coaches appreciate a ref who hustles.

Having both coached and ref'd, I like to think I cut a coach a bit more slack on the whining side...but at the pregame meeting I always told them my hand signal for when enough is enough.  It worked pretty good too.  They got their say, so their team could see them working hard for them, and I got an agreement from them to control themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 09, 2009, 06:08:36 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on February 09, 2009, 03:50:55 PM
Question:

How does Sager explain his 8 stars over Pat's 5 stars?

Hard work and clean living.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 09, 2009, 09:03:25 PM
Quote from: 3baller on February 08, 2009, 07:27:17 PM
For the record, I think most refs suck.

Easy!  I just concluded my junior high officiating season tonight.  There has to be a special place in heaven for a guy who agrees to officiate junior high girls basketball...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 10, 2009, 08:25:50 AM
Any Central followers - What's up with former W-SR player/ vagabond Grant Franzen? Is he hurt, left the team, DNP-Coaches Decision? No minutes in over a month.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on February 11, 2009, 08:42:59 PM
Show,

I meant to say most refs suck, except those that ref Jr. High girls games and also happened to be my roommate in college!
 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sharmony on February 11, 2009, 11:57:43 PM
Congratulations to the Beavers on winning their second straight IIAC championship tonight with a 74-70 victory over Dubuque.  Also give credit to the Spartans for not giving up and fighting until the final buzzer sounded. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: du-sz on February 12, 2009, 12:57:35 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on February 06, 2009, 11:25:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 05, 2009, 11:58:31 PM
They're not celebrating an anniversary, by your own admission. They're celebrating 100 years of the rivalry.


In my humble opinion, this is the better way to do it.  I couldn't help but laugh at Loras a couple years ago when the celebrated "100 Seasons of Duhawk Football" even though there was a full decade in there where football was only a club sport "on the boulevard."  Poor effort if you ask me.

Even I thought that was a dumb thing to celebrate. Just an excuse to go alumni back and make new t-shirts.

I've been away from the boards too long....and no, not because Loras isn't in first place, but because I just haven't. 

Can't say I'm too impressed with the Duhawks, though.  We're struggling, then looking good, then playing ok. Can't figure them out.  I guess I'll just accept the mediocrity, but it'd be nice to give it another run this year.  We seem to have some tools, and they've shown it in games like their latest with Wartburg.  Loses to Coe, and beatdowns by Cornell won't help the cause, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 14, 2009, 05:09:56 PM
Checking out the BV-Loras game this afternoon.  Senior Day for the Duhawks.  They'll miss these guys, esp. Kolze, Cantella, and Oeth.  Looks like BV will be without Fogelman - he's in a sweatsuit for warm-ups.

FYI to the Loras folks around here: not a real classy touch to be playing unedited rap music during warm-ups.  Heard the S-word at least 6 times, a couple of F-bombs, and the big 'n' made an appearance too.  You stay classy, Loras College.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on February 14, 2009, 06:01:58 PM
sportsknight....I commend your shout-out about Loras' warm-up music.  There's no place for such music(?) at a IIAC afternoon basketball game.  Well done.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2009, 11:20:05 PM
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6127.msg1035680#msg1035680

On the Multi-Region board, we are compiling the post-season tourneys.

We need someone to "cut-and-paste" the info on your conference tourney.

Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2009, 09:36:10 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 19, 2009, 11:20:05 PM
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6127.msg1035680#msg1035680

On the Multi-Region board, we are compiling the post-season tourneys.

We need someone to "cut-and-paste" the info on your conference tourney.

Thanks.

Quarterfinals - Tuesday, Feb. 24
#6 Central @ #3 Loras
#5 University of  Dubuque @ #4 Warburg
   

Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 26
Lowest seed winner @ #1 Buena Vista
Other Qrt. winner  @ #2 Cornell
   

Championship game - Saturday, Feb 28
@ Highest seed


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 21, 2009, 06:46:10 PM
Loras beats UD by 1 point.  Dubuque had a 1 point lead and shooting a 1 and 1 with 10 seconds left.  UD missed the free throw.  Loras came down, had their shot blocked, got the rebound and threw up a prayer with almost no time left.  The shot rolled around the rim and then seemed like it stopped against the backboard and then slowly rolled in.  Not often your game winning shot drops about a second after the whistle.  Fun game to watch. Close the whole way and a packed house got to watch the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on February 22, 2009, 09:49:50 PM
OK...so now its conference tourney time.

The Rams have broken their season record for wins.  If there is a year that they have a legit shot at 1) a conference tourney game win; and 2) a chance at the NCAA playoffs....it's this year.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on February 22, 2009, 09:58:04 PM
Predictions:

1st Round
Loras over Central  (Central played Loras tough twice, an upset would not surprise)
UD over Wartburg   (Knights riding a dreadful 3 game stretch, UD narrowing missed sweeping Loras)

Semifinals
Cornell over Loras
BV over UD

Final
Cornell over BV   (I can dream)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 22, 2009, 11:18:51 PM
BV having home-court is a big advantage.  The Beavers just don't lose at Sieben's this time of year, as evidenced by their 14-1 record at home in the IIAC tournament in the last 7 seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 23, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 21, 2009, 06:46:10 PM
Loras beats UD by 1 point.  Dubuque had a 1 point lead and shooting a 1 and 1 with 10 seconds left.  UD missed the free throw.  Loras came down, had their shot blocked, got the rebound and threw up a prayer with almost no time left.  The shot rolled around the rim and then seemed like it stopped against the backboard and then slowly rolled in.  Not often your game winning shot drops about a second after the whistle.  Fun game to watch. Close the whole way and a packed house got to watch the game. 

Another Spartan heartbreaker.  Now let's see if they can turn the table in the Conference playoffs.

GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 25, 2009, 07:39:40 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on February 23, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 21, 2009, 06:46:10 PM
Loras beats UD by 1 point.  Dubuque had a 1 point lead and shooting a 1 and 1 with 10 seconds left.  UD missed the free throw.  Loras came down, had their shot blocked, got the rebound and threw up a prayer with almost no time left.  The shot rolled around the rim and then seemed like it stopped against the backboard and then slowly rolled in.  Not often your game winning shot drops about a second after the whistle.  Fun game to watch. Close the whole way and a packed house got to watch the game. 

Another Spartan heartbreaker.  Now let's see if they can turn the table in the Conference playoffs.

GO SPARTANS!

Sorry 1965, that UD team wasn't in Waverly last night - 87-68 Knights win. After the Spartans took a 26-25 lead w/ 4:39 left in first half were outscored 11-2 to end the half. Add 12-5 run to start the 2nd half and that was pretty much the game. 46-34 advantage on the boards for the Knights, 17 assists on 32 baskets.

Now on to BV.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 25, 2009, 10:19:12 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 25, 2009, 07:39:40 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on February 23, 2009, 09:42:00 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 21, 2009, 06:46:10 PM
Loras beats UD by 1 point.  Dubuque had a 1 point lead and shooting a 1 and 1 with 10 seconds left.  UD missed the free throw.  Loras came down, had their shot blocked, got the rebound and threw up a prayer with almost no time left.  The shot rolled around the rim and then seemed like it stopped against the backboard and then slowly rolled in.  Not often your game winning shot drops about a second after the whistle.  Fun game to watch. Close the whole way and a packed house got to watch the game. 

Another Spartan heartbreaker.  Now let's see if they can turn the table in the Conference playoffs.

GO SPARTANS!

Sorry 1965, that UD team wasn't in Waverly last night - 87-68 Knights win. After the Spartans took a 26-25 lead w/ 4:39 left in first half were outscored 11-2 to end the half. Add 12-5 run to start the 2nd half and that was pretty much the game. 46-34 advantage on the boards for the Knights, 17 assists on 32 baskets.

Now on to BV.

I seem to recall an old song ... "The Boulevard of Broken Dreams" ... that could be the anthem for Spartan sports fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 26, 2009, 09:15:08 AM
CR Gazette about Cornell
http://www.gazetteonline.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090225/SPORTS/702259897/1008

"I tried not to put a time frame on things, but we really liked this group," DeGeorge said. "The first couple of years they were not ready, and we knew that. It's a delicate balance between not trying to push them too hard so they lose confidence and pushing them enough to get the most out of them.

"Our goal was just constant improvement."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 26, 2009, 10:53:24 AM
Some serious freezing rain going on right now could put a hamper in tonights Wartburg game and the womens game of BV/Simpson.  It is very slick here and could cause some serious travel issues.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 26, 2009, 11:22:39 AM
Where are you @ SLP? Cloudy and very light intermittant rain here in Waverly. 35 degrees. Wartburg team is scheduled to leave @ 2:30.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 26, 2009, 12:03:28 PM
Storm Lake.  Its been pretty nasty so far today and i believe we are in a severe thunderstrom warning now as well.  Still got some freezing rain going on and its not fun out.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 26, 2009, 12:11:28 PM
Thanks,
Still dry here, but some schools are letting out @ noon just in case. If the Knights make it, and play like they did against BV here or like they did Tuesday against UD we'll have a game. IF not it will be a long trip back and forth for the Knights.

Everyone on BV roster healthy?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on February 26, 2009, 01:00:07 PM
I believe that everyone is healthy and ready to go.  Fogleman rolled an ankle against UD almost 2 weeks ago but he sat out the Loras game and played 10 minutes at luther.  He should be ready to go.  He is a gamer and will give his best effort for sure.  Should be a great game. 

Bv women are leaving here in a couple minutes to head to simpson so that game is on for sure.  I really hope we can get the Mens game in tonight as it should be a great game. 

Good luck to all teams still alive and have a good safe drive.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on February 26, 2009, 05:24:04 PM
BV vs Wartburg should be a great game.  Even Coach VH says Wartburg has defeated the Beavers 3 out 4 halves of basketball this year.  I'm sure both teams will be ready.  Too bad about the bad weather, hope everyone arrives safely.
I hope the Beaver's inconsistency disappears now that every game is a 'lose and go home' kind of pressure.  This old Kohawk wishes the best to both teams.
BV by 5.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on February 26, 2009, 08:40:57 PM
Wartburg wins 4 out of 5 halves over BV....ahead by 2 at half-time!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 26, 2009, 09:55:31 PM
Quote from: coebball70 on February 26, 2009, 08:40:57 PM
Wartburg wins 4 out of 5 halves over BV....ahead by 2 at half-time!

The Knights win 2 of 3 games  85-81 FINAL. KNIGHTS WIN!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on February 26, 2009, 09:56:55 PM
Cornell conquers Loras again.

Wartburg upsets the Beavers.

Cornell in the finals!  Home game vs. the Kaniggets.

Way to go Rams!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 27, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Being the optimist that I am, the good news is that unlike football, we'll see two IIAC teams in the post season this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 27, 2009, 07:05:14 AM
Way to go Rams and Knights!!!  Way to shake up the status quo around the IIAC...great to see.  Congrats
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 27, 2009, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Being the optimist that I am, the good news is that unlike football, we'll see two IIAC teams in the post season this year.

Sorry Show, I just don't see the IIAC being more than a 1 bid league. A loss @ home in the conference Semi-finals might really hurt. Also the fact a "new comer" to the conf. race might cause the committee to question the league. I hope the Beaves get in but I'd be very nervous. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sharmony on February 27, 2009, 11:12:50 AM
If Buena Vista managed to squeeze in the field last year, I would be very surprised if they didn't get in this year.  Their in-region winning percentage is higher this year and they are regional ranked in the West, right behind five of the top probably 7 teams in the nation in Wash U, USP, and the three Wisconsin schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 27, 2009, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: sharmony on February 27, 2009, 11:12:50 AM
If Buena Vista managed to squeeze in the field last year, I would be very surprised if they didn't get in this year.  Their in-region winning percentage is higher this year and they are regional ranked in the West, right behind five of the top probably 7 teams in the nation in Wash U, USP, and the three Wisconsin schools.

Last year BV was #5 when they lost to #8 in the region Loras in the finals, not to a .500 team in conf. for the 2nd time in the semi's. Like I said I HOPE they get in.

Unlike last time the Knights played in Storm Lake the 3 were NOT falling for the Beaves. Game 1 @ SL BV was 17-38 including Person going 9-11 last night 9-38, Wartburg 8-17.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Walston Hoover on February 27, 2009, 01:04:33 PM
Has Wartburg had the Guys and gals in the championship game since '01?
That was a great Saturday night-
In One day-
5 conf championships
Ras'lin
MBB
WBB
M indoor
W indoor
Big celebrations in a packed gym that night.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sharmony on February 27, 2009, 01:39:50 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 27, 2009, 11:53:28 AM
Quote from: sharmony on February 27, 2009, 11:12:50 AM
If Buena Vista managed to squeeze in the field last year, I would be very surprised if they didn't get in this year.  Their in-region winning percentage is higher this year and they are regional ranked in the West, right behind five of the top probably 7 teams in the nation in Wash U, USP, and the three Wisconsin schools.

Last year BV was #5 when they lost to #8 in the region Loras in the finals, not to a .500 team in conf. for the 2nd time in the semi's. Like I said I HOPE they get in.

Unlike last time the Knights played in Storm Lake the 3 were NOT falling for the Beaves. Game 1 @ SL BV was 17-38 including Person going 9-11 last night 9-38, Wartburg 8-17.



I guess its a good thing for BV that the committee looks at the entire season and not just the conference tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 27, 2009, 04:35:58 PM
Quote from: Walston Hoover on February 27, 2009, 01:04:33 PM
Has Wartburg had the Guys and gals in the championship game since '01?

Wow, do you have a bad memory.  They both made it to the title game your junior year at Wartburg (2002) and two other times since then.  Women beat Simpson that night in '02 in Knights Gym before falling to Carelton in the first round of the NCAAs that year.  Men fell behind BV in Storm Lake by 10 by the half and ended up losing by 8.

In 2004 both teams played for, and lost, IIAC title games @ BV.  Women's game was probably a 10-12 point win for the Beavers if I remember right, and the men's game was just a complete ass-kicking by BV.  I don't know that Wartburg scored 50 points and probably shot no better than 35-40% from the field.  Most brutal game I ever had to broadcast on the radio.

In 2005, women lost at Simpson after shocking BV the night before in Storm Lake.  Men lost to BV for the 2nd time in eight days in a packed Knights Gym, then got the absolute shaft the following day when they were left out of the tournament despite a 23-5 record with two of those losses coming to a tournament qualifier.  That 2005 Wartburg men's team could have made a very deep run in the NCAA tournament in my opinion.

It is definitely nice to see both Wartburg teams back in the league tournament, much less the championship games, after they both failed to qualify last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 27, 2009, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 27, 2009, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Being the optimist that I am, the good news is that unlike football, we'll see two IIAC teams in the post season this year.

Sorry Show, I just don't see the IIAC being more than a 1 bid league. A loss @ home in the conference Semi-finals might really hurt. Also the fact a "new comer" to the conf. race might cause the committee to question the league. I hope the Beaves get in but I'd be very nervous. 

No need to be sorry Alf.  I just think you're nucking futs if you don't think they'll pick a team that's been rated in the top 10 since week 3 (I know, ratings don't mean everything, blah, blah, blah...) and returns 4 (pretty much 5) starters from a team that went to the semi's a year ago and took the national champion to OT.  If I was a D3 coach, BV would be one of the last team's I'd want to play in the tourny.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2009, 11:11:38 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2009, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 27, 2009, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Being the optimist that I am, the good news is that unlike football, we'll see two IIAC teams in the post season this year.

Sorry Show, I just don't see the IIAC being more than a 1 bid league. A loss @ home in the conference Semi-finals might really hurt. Also the fact a "new comer" to the conf. race might cause the committee to question the league. I hope the Beaves get in but I'd be very nervous. 

No need to be sorry Alf.  I just think you're nucking futs if you don't think they'll pick a team that's been rated in the top 10 since week 3 (I know, ratings don't mean everything, blah, blah, blah...) and returns 4 (pretty much 5) starters from a team that went to the semi's a year ago and took the national champion to OT.  If I was a D3 coach, BV would be one of the last team's I'd want to play in the tourny.

D3 has very specific criteria for selection.  These criteria do NOT include poll rankings or what you did last year.

Nonetheless, I'd be shocked if BV isn't selected based on THIS year's CRITERIA.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on February 28, 2009, 01:06:43 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 27, 2009, 11:11:38 PM
D3 has very specific criteria for selection.  These criteria do NOT include poll rankings or what you did last year.

That's what the blah, blah, blah was for  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on February 28, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
I see Wash U got beat in their league tourney does that mean they have the same chances as B.V. to get in the tournament? I have seen Wartburg and B.V. play  three times this year how have the Knights lost 8 games in the conference,they sure look very good to me?P.S.CONGRATS TO THEM
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 28, 2009, 03:39:07 PM
Quote from: B.Ver on February 28, 2009, 03:34:08 PM
I see Wash U got beat in their league tourney does that mean they have the same chances as B.V. to get in the tournament? I have seen Wartburg and B.V. play  three times this year how have the Knights lost 8 games in the conference,they sure look very good to me?P.S.CONGRATS TO THEM

UAA (unlike every other d3 conference) does not have a tourney - that was just a regular conference game.  Wash U has already clinched the UAA AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B.Ver on February 28, 2009, 03:48:41 PM
Thank you I stand corrected
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 28, 2009, 07:36:22 PM
FYI:  I'll be posting updates from the Wartburg-Cornell game on my Twitter page at www.twitter.com/JesseGavin1
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sharmony on February 28, 2009, 08:43:54 PM
Cornell 34  Wartburg 23 - Halftime in Mt. Vernon

Sounds like Teirney is having himself a game.  Hopefully the second half will be exciting, as there is a lot on the line for these two teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sharmony on February 28, 2009, 09:15:25 PM
Cornell 51  Wartburg 48 - Under 10 to play.  Tierney with 23 already.  This one is gettin good.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sharmony on February 28, 2009, 09:40:14 PM
Cornell 58  Wartburg 56 - Final.  What a game.  Congratulations to Cornell on getting the IIAC AQ, and to Wartburg on a fantastic year. 

We will have to see if the IIAC can get two bids again this year.  There have been some upsets around the country and the bubble is starting to shrink a little bit.  Cheer on the favored!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Charlie Kohawk on February 28, 2009, 11:39:05 PM
Quite the game tonight in Mount Vernon. Tierney was a one-man wrecking crew in the first half. The Rams couldn't seem to hit a free throw in the second half, and the Warts didn't miss. Exciting game with a wild finish. And Chameleon's didn't disappoint.

Congratulations to Cornell and Coach Tierney (he skillfully coached my son's baseball team last summer).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on March 01, 2009, 02:05:06 PM
It was definitely a game befitting the conference championship.  If Wartburg had played the entire game like they played in the 2nd half, I think they would have won easily.  But allowing two seperate 9-0 runs by Cornell and letting Tierney get loose was a big difference in the outcome.  I'm not sure either team did enough to win down the stretch (as evidenced by no scoring in the final 2:57), and Cornell having the halftime edge was likely the difference.  Give them credit for weathering the storm and not allowing Wartburg to climb all the way back.

As a Wartburg fan, I'm disappointed with the loss, but more than anything just happy to see Coach Peth and the Knights playing on the final Saturday of February again.  For a program that was in five straight league title games ('01-'05), to go three seasons between appearances is a little tough to take.  Add in the youth of this Wartburg team and I'd be surprised if they don't get to this level, and possibly beyond, a couple times in the next few seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: titan2000 on March 01, 2009, 10:00:41 PM
Is this the Cornell that Lawrence walloped in November? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 01, 2009, 10:50:20 PM
Yes, Cornell lost by 14 to Lawrence, their 3rd game of the season.  Augustana beat them by 22 4 games later.  Both of Cornell's losses to BV were very close though (3 & 5).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on March 02, 2009, 12:00:11 PM
Looks like the Beavers are staying home and Cornell is heading to St. Thomas to face Wisconsin-Stevens Point.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: trey1919 on March 02, 2009, 04:30:28 PM
I would have preferred BV not be rewarded after obviously allowing arrogance to seep into their program. Not defending their homecourt against a young Wartburg team exposed a team and a program, that to me has become too full of themselves following the good run that they've enjoyed the past couple years. Best of luck to Cornell.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 02, 2009, 04:31:00 PM
Someone add Cornell's profile to here:

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6299.0
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 02, 2009, 09:51:08 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2009, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 27, 2009, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Being the optimist that I am, the good news is that unlike football, we'll see two IIAC teams in the post season this year.

Sorry Show, I just don't see the IIAC being more than a 1 bid league. A loss @ home in the conference Semi-finals might really hurt. Also the fact a "new comer" to the conf. race might cause the committee to question the league. I hope the Beaves get in but I'd be very nervous. 

No need to be sorry Alf.  I just think you're nucking futs if you don't think they'll pick a team that's been rated in the top 10 since week 3 (I know, ratings don't mean everything, blah, blah, blah...) and returns 4 (pretty much 5) starters from a team that went to the semi's a year ago and took the national champion to OT.  If I was a D3 coach, BV would be one of the last team's I'd want to play in the tourny.

I guess I wasn't so futs after all.
Outside of wrestling the conference has more doubters nationally in all sports. Too often the benefit of the doubt goes AGAINST the IIAC.

Good Luck Rams.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PurpleReign on March 02, 2009, 10:26:27 PM
I really wanted, and expected to see BV in the tourny this year.  They are a very good sr. dominated team and was my pick to take it all this year.


Quote from: Alfredeneumann on March 02, 2009, 09:51:08 PM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2009, 09:20:52 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 27, 2009, 10:43:51 AM
Quote from: The Show on February 27, 2009, 12:00:18 AM
Being the optimist that I am, the good news is that unlike football, we'll see two IIAC teams in the post season this year.

Sorry Show, I just don't see the IIAC being more than a 1 bid league. A loss @ home in the conference Semi-finals might really hurt. Also the fact a "new comer" to the conf. race might cause the committee to question the league. I hope the Beaves get in but I'd be very nervous. 

No need to be sorry Alf.  I just think you're nucking futs if you don't think they'll pick a team that's been rated in the top 10 since week 3 (I know, ratings don't mean everything, blah, blah, blah...) and returns 4 (pretty much 5) starters from a team that went to the semi's a year ago and took the national champion to OT.  If I was a D3 coach, BV would be one of the last team's I'd want to play in the tourny.

I guess I wasn't so futs after all.
Outside of wrestling the conference has more doubters nationally in all sports. Too often the benefit of the doubt goes AGAINST the IIAC.

Good Luck Rams.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on March 02, 2009, 10:41:26 PM
The front page of d3hoops.com explains it pretty well.  No games against Regionally Ranked teams.  That's not going to help you get in the NCAA's when you lose in your conference semis.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 02, 2009, 11:15:20 PM
Your crystal ball was better than mine Alf.  I thought after Loras and BV made a nice run last year, they might have made some people think the IIAC can play a little basketball.  I have a funny feeling the majority of the selection committee couldn't find Iowa on a map!  ;)  But that's why you have to take care of business and not leave it up to anyone else.

As for trey1919, I suppose a 1-18 record against the Beavers for the past 8 years would build up a little hostility.  Following a team that finishes dead last in scoring offense nearly every year will do that to you...

Good luck Rams!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: trey1919 on March 03, 2009, 09:51:43 AM
Your crystal ball was better than mine Alf.  I thought after Loras and BV made a nice run last year, they might have made some people think the IIAC can play a little basketball.  I have a funny feeling the majority of the selection committee couldn't find Iowa on a map!     But that's why you have to take care of business and not leave it up to anyone else.

As for trey1919, I suppose a 1-18 record against the Beavers for the past 8 years would build up a little hostility.  Following a team that finishes dead last in scoring offense nearly every year will do that to you...

Show,
You sensed hostility in my post? I felt it was just an honest assessment of what I thought did BV in this year which led to them being no different then eight other teams in the conference this week.......sitting at home, despite having a gaudy record this year. Maybe if anything I should have waited for the sting of the snub to wear off before I posted my opinion. I do feel the statistical smackdown you threw my way was unnecessary and indicates I may have hurt your feelings. If thats the case I'm sorry for not giving you more time to let the hurt subside a little.
Your post also helped to reiterate my point. Are you a former player at BV? Because last years success seemed to be where both you and the current team were content at hanging your hats. A good one year run through the tournament will never be good enough to collectively put any conference "on the map" as you hoped.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SLP-O-8 on March 03, 2009, 10:35:44 PM
I can tell you that nobody at Bv was content with just the run they had last year.  They fully expected a great season out of the seniors and i still believe that they had that.  They slipped up twice and had a non BV like games against Wartburg, not to take anything way from the knights becuase in the 2 games i watched of them i would have expected way more than their record.   Bv had a schedule that didnt seem as bad during the beginning of the season as it end up.  Cal lutheran is normally a solid team but didnt have that great of a year.  As hoopsville stated the thing that hurt BV the most is the downfall of Loras.  If loras would have put of the year as expected Bv would be in the playoff because Loras would have been regionally ranked and been 2 good games on the schedule.  The way it played out Bv didnt make the playoffs and thats the end of it.  The seniors had great careers and are great individuals.  It hurts for them to go out like this but take care of business and you are rewarded.


I would like to extend a good luck to Cornell.  They are a very good team.  I had the pleasure of talking to Mr. LaDew at the BV game in SL.  He was a very complementary man and has a great son for a ball player.  Best of luck to the Rams in the tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 03, 2009, 10:49:08 PM
Quote from: trey1919 on March 03, 2009, 09:51:43 AM
Show,
You sensed hostility in my post?

Yes, since up to that point your only two posts on this board have been about how terrible officiating handed Coe a win earlier in the year and now BV is arrogant because they got knocked off by Wartburg in the conference tourny.

Quote from: trey1919 on March 03, 2009, 09:51:43 AM
Are you a former player at BV?

Yes, but not in hoops.  Although I did win an IM basketball championship one year...  8)

Quote from: trey1919 on March 03, 2009, 09:51:43 AM
Because last years success seemed to be where both you and the current team were content at hanging your hats.

You've obviously never met or had a conversation with Coach VH.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 3baller on March 05, 2009, 10:53:29 AM
From Coach VH's blog.... http://web.bvu.edu/blogs/coachescorner/entry/this_is_not_how_it


"This is not How it was Supposed to End

I am very sorry to all of our fans with how the season ended.  A lot of upsets in the country on Saturday kept us out of the tournament.  You would think, being the 9th ranked team in the country would get into the tournament, but the criteria they go by did not go in our favor.  The problem I have with the process, is that you can't reward a team for losses.  I understand if a team has a higher strength of schedule index, and they may have 5 losses and we have 3.  I can live with that.  But Brandeis was 17-8 and got in.  That is like saying to the 4th place team in our league, that because you had some close losses, we will reward you with a tie for the league championship.  That is not how it should work.  Our non-conference schedule went against us this year.  But how was I supposed to know that when I signed the contract with Wisconsin Stout, that they would go from National Tournament team to last place.  Gustavus is always a tough team and always in the regional rankings, this year they were .500.  Our budgets are set and we can't travel all over just to find teams with winning records two years in advance.  In the end, the team I have the most problem with making the tournament is Baruch, from New York City.  We had a higher OWP (Opponents Winning Percentage), a higher winning perecentage in region, but they had one win against a ranked region opponent.  We won 2 out of 3 in the committee's criteria, but they still took Baruch.  I have a problem with that one.  At some point, you would think you would take a look objectively and say that a 20-3 region record from a team that beat St. Thomas, Stevens Point, and took the eventual National Champs to OT last year in the National Tournament, with the same players as last year, deserves to be in, and no one, I mean no one can dispute that.  "

 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 06, 2009, 09:58:18 PM
UW- SP beats Cornell 61-53. No points in final 3:34 for the Rams. Were tied @ 53 before the scoring drought to end the game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 05, 2009, 10:53:29 AM
From Coach VH's blog.... http://web.bvu.edu/blogs/coachescorner/entry/this_is_not_how_it

At some point, you would think you would take a look objectively and say that a 20-3 region record from a team that beat St. Thomas, Stevens Point, and took the eventual National Champs to OT last year in the National Tournament, with the same players as last year, deserves to be in, and no one, I mean no one can dispute that.  "

I was with him until the last sentence.  Last year is last year and rightfully has no bearing on this year.  He made a very strong case for his team otherwise, but pointing to last year means nothing.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 09, 2009, 10:58:49 AM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 05, 2009, 10:53:29 AM
From Coach VH's blog.... http://web.bvu.edu/blogs/coachescorner/entry/this_is_not_how_it

At some point, you would think you would take a look objectively and say that a 20-3 region record from a team that beat St. Thomas, Stevens Point, and took the eventual National Champs to OT last year in the National Tournament, with the same players as last year, deserves to be in, and no one, I mean no one can dispute that.  "

I was with him until the last sentence.  Last year is last year and rightfully has no bearing on this year.  He made a very strong case for his team otherwise, but pointing to last year means nothing.

Maybe he did a better job coaching last year. ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BV07 on March 12, 2009, 10:39:20 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 05, 2009, 10:53:29 AM
From Coach VH's blog.... http://web.bvu.edu/blogs/coachescorner/entry/this_is_not_how_it

At some point, you would think you would take a look objectively and say that a 20-3 region record from a team that beat St. Thomas, Stevens Point, and took the eventual National Champs to OT last year in the National Tournament, with the same players as last year, deserves to be in, and no one, I mean no one can dispute that.  "

I was with him until the last sentence.  Last year is last year and rightfully has no bearing on this year.  He made a very strong case for his team otherwise, but pointing to last year means nothing.

How can you not follow the last sentence? He made it very clear.

BV has the same players as last year. The team that played the National Champs to OT have another year of experience under their belt, so why wouldn't anyone (the committee) realize the Beavers deserved a spot in the tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2009, 01:45:37 AM
It can be disputed because last year isn't part of this year's selection criteria, whereas losing to Gustavus and losing twice to Wartburg is.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: larry_u on March 13, 2009, 09:13:21 AM
Quote from: BV07 on March 12, 2009, 10:39:20 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 05, 2009, 10:53:29 AM
From Coach VH's blog.... http://web.bvu.edu/blogs/coachescorner/entry/this_is_not_how_it

At some point, you would think you would take a look objectively and say that a 20-3 region record from a team that beat St. Thomas, Stevens Point, and took the eventual National Champs to OT last year in the National Tournament, with the same players as last year, deserves to be in, and no one, I mean no one can dispute that.  "

I was with him until the last sentence.  Last year is last year and rightfully has no bearing on this year.  He made a very strong case for his team otherwise, but pointing to last year means nothing.

How can you not follow the last sentence? He made it very clear.

BV has the same players as last year. The team that played the National Champs to OT have another year of experience under their belt, so why wouldn't anyone (the committee) realize the Beavers deserved a spot in the tourney?


Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2009, 01:45:37 AM
It can be disputed because last year isn't part of this year's selection criteria, whereas losing to Gustavus and losing twice to Wartburg is.


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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2009, 09:25:16 AM
Buena Vista needs to re-consider their position on renewing the IIAC post-season tourney next year as they hang their IIAC 2009 regular season champion banner.

The UAA doesn't have a tourney and awards the Pool A bid to the regular season winner.

When BV started the IIAC post-season tourney, they were just beginning the playoff run to the National Championship with about 250 other teams in D-III.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BV07 on March 14, 2009, 10:01:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 13, 2009, 01:45:37 AM
It can be disputed because last year isn't part of this year's selection criteria, whereas losing to Gustavus and losing twice to Wartburg is.

Great point. Too bad it was a point that someone already made.

I understand that selection committees can't get it right every year. They have a tough job. I think it's especially tough on BV since they got a Pool C bid last year with a similar regional schedule. There were a couple teams that BV could have gotten the bid over this year, but it just didn't shake out that way.

Please share your expertise on why Brandeis and Baruch made it this year, essentially over BV. I don't have the numbers...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 15, 2009, 07:46:47 PM
Just in case there is someone who didn't see this on the IIAC football page ...

Okay ... ESPN's Tournament Challenge is out ... and the IIAC Forever group is all set up.

Join us in the field of 65/64 and see if you can pick the winner of this year's D-1 March Madness.

Click on the following link:http: //games.espn.go.com/tcmen/frontpage

If you played "Bowl Mania" last December/January, you already have a Member Name and Password.  If you don't remember them ... or you didn't play last college bowl season ... you will have to sign up again (its easy and its free).

Then you will be all set to pick this year's NCAA National Champion in that "other" division.

If the link doesn't work (my understanding of technology being what it is ... then go to www.espn.go.com ... look for someplace that says "Tournament Challenge" and click on that.  Then you should have the right page to sign-in or sign-up.

I'll be watching here to see if there are in problems you report with getting on board.  If there is a hitch in the process, the group you are looking for is IIAC Forever ... and the password is IIAC 2009.

Good luck to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2009, 10:57:43 AM
Quote from: BV07 on March 14, 2009, 10:01:14 PM
Great point. Too bad it was a point that someone already made.

You repeated the meaningless point. I repeated the reasoning. How am I supposed to know you read it, since you ignored it and this was your first post?

Quote from: BV07 on March 12, 2009, 10:39:20 PM
BV has the same players as last year. The team that played the National Champs to OT have another year of experience under their belt, so why wouldn't anyone (the committee) realize the Beavers deserved a spot in the tourney?


I don't really have time in the middle of the tournament to go back to Selection Sunday, but here's the quick thumbnail:

Brandeis: Incredible strength of schedule with wins against regionally ranked teams.
Baruch: Beat St. Mary's (Md.), a regionally ranked team. When those two were on the board at the end, as was BVU (we assume), Baruch had a head-to-head win against a fellow bubble team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 16, 2009, 11:07:43 AM
If you really want to compare last year with this year, you have to not only look at Buena Vista's resume, but you also have to compare it's resume from other teams' resumes from last year.  Maybe BVs resume from last year stacked up better against teams from last year than their resume THIS year with teams they were competing with THIS year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on March 16, 2009, 11:19:20 AM
Quote from: BV07 on March 12, 2009, 10:39:20 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on March 06, 2009, 11:45:16 PM
Quote from: 3baller on March 05, 2009, 10:53:29 AM
From Coach VH's blog.... http://web.bvu.edu/blogs/coachescorner/entry/this_is_not_how_it

At some point, you would think you would take a look objectively and say that a 20-3 region record from a team that beat St. Thomas, Stevens Point, and took the eventual National Champs to OT last year in the National Tournament, with the same players as last year, deserves to be in, and no one, I mean no one can dispute that.  "

I was with him until the last sentence.  Last year is last year and rightfully has no bearing on this year.  He made a very strong case for his team otherwise, but pointing to last year means nothing.

How can you not follow the last sentence? He made it very clear.

BV has the same players as last year. The team that played the National Champs to OT have another year of experience under their belt, so why wouldn't anyone (the committee) realize the Beavers deserved a spot in the tourney?

Perhaps I should have been more clear (but I think most everyone else got it).  I wasn't saying that I couldn't understand his last sentence.  I was saying that his argument in the last sentence was IMO invalid because last year's performance has no bearing on this year's selection.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 16, 2009, 12:08:40 PM
But how was I supposed to know that when I signed the contract with Wisconsin Stout, that they would go from National Tournament team to last place.  Gustavus is always a tough team and always in the regional rankings, this year they were .500.  Our budgets are set and we can't travel all over just to find teams with winning records two years in advance.  In the end, the team I have the most problem with making the tournament is Baruch, from New York City.  We had a higher OWP (Opponents Winning Percentage), a higher winning perecentage in region, but they had one win against a ranked region opponent.  We won 2 out of 3 in the committee's criteria, but they still took Baruch.  I have a problem with that one.

He actually did find teams with winning records two years in advance.  Yeah, it's too bad they didn't fair too well this year and that's not his fault.  Coach fails to realize that there's FIVE criteria, not three.  One of the criteria is in-region results vs. regionally ranked opponents.  Aside from their WIN against St. Marys' Baruch has close losses against Farmingdale State and William Paterson.  Some may argue that a 1-2 record against regionally ranked opponents is better than not playing any regionally ranked opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 16, 2009, 12:22:20 PM
Stout's trend:

2009 8-17 (2-14)
2008 7-19 (4-12)
2007 12-13 (5-11)
2006 22-7 (12-4)
2005 13-11 (8-8)
2004 14-11 (8-8)
2003 14-11 (9-7)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 16, 2009, 02:37:51 PM
In case you missed yesterday's post ... below is the message about getting into the IIAC group on ESPN's Tournament Challenge.

So far, the following have signed up:  UD Spartans (yours truly) Klopenheimer, doolittledog, The Show, dutchfan1, and The Mayne Event.

You have until the first tip-off on Thursday to get signed up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------


Okay ... ESPN's Tournament Challenge is out ... and the IIAC Forever group is all set up.

Join us in the field of 65/64 and see if you can pick the winner of this year's D-1 March Madness.

Click on the following link:http: //games.espn.go.com/tcmen/frontpage

If you played "Bowl Mania" last December/January, you already have a Member Name and Password.  If you don't remember them ... or you didn't play last college bowl season ... you will have to sign up again (its easy and its free).

Then you will be all set to pick this year's NCAA National Champion in that "other" division.

If the link doesn't work (my understanding of technology being what it is ... then go to www.espn.go.com ... look for someplace that says "Tournament Challenge" and click on that.  Then you should have the right page to sign-in or sign-up.

I'll be watching here to see if there are in problems you report with getting on board.  If there is a hitch in the process, the group you are looking for is IIAC Forever ... and the password is IIAC 2009.

Good luck to all.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 16, 2009, 10:06:30 PM
At least Baruch proved their worth... ::)

Pat, even you thought BV was more deserving the day before the selection.

But as a wise man once told me, when the horse is dead, get off!  So I'm off.

DBQ1965 - I'm due to rebound from my disappointing Bowl Mania tourny!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 19, 2009, 10:48:27 AM
ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ.. anyone out there?

Questions to get some conversation going.

What is the biggest upset  you have picked in the first round?

Over/under UNI/Purdue game. Purdue - 8.5 pts?

MVP of the tournament will be?

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 19, 2009, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on March 19, 2009, 10:48:27 AM
Questions to get some conversation going.

What is the biggest upset  you have picked in the first round?
AZ over Utah

Over/under UNI/Purdue game. Purdue - 8.5 pts?
I hope UNI wins but will take the OVER

MVP of the tournament will be?
Tyler Hansbrough - UNC

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 19, 2009, 05:47:37 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on March 19, 2009, 10:51:27 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on March 19, 2009, 10:48:27 AM
Questions to get some conversation going.

What is the biggest upset  you have picked in the first round?
AZ over Utah

Over/under UNI/Purdue game. Purdue - 8.5 pts?
I hope UNI wins but will take the OVER

MVP of the tournament will be?
Tyler Hansbrough - UNC


This is the first year I just filled out my bracket without even thinking about it.  Surprisingly, I picked 3 of the 4 12 seeds to win.  UNI is messing me up with that.  But thankfully UNI and Butler, my 2 misses so far, I had losing in the 2nd round.  So not too many worries as of yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 19, 2009, 11:46:14 PM
My biggest 1st round upset pick is also Arizona over Utah.

I had Purdue picked, but was cheering for UNI.

I haven't watched enough D1 college basketball this year to have a clue on tournament MVP.  I'll go with the Pittsburgh's best player since I picked them to win it.  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 22, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
My bracket is horrible.  22/32 in the first round.  Looks like 11/16 in the second round. 

My wife started bad.  21/32 in the first round.  But, if Michigan St and Mizzou can hang on for wins, she will be 14/16 in the second round.  Not too bad for someone that NEVER watches basketball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Show on March 22, 2009, 10:52:40 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 22, 2009, 06:53:36 PM
My bracket is horrible.  22/32 in the first round.  Looks like 11/16 in the second round. 

My wife started bad.  21/32 in the first round.  But, if Michigan St and Mizzou can hang on for wins, she will be 14/16 in the second round.  Not too bad for someone that NEVER watches basketball. 

Since we've graduated college, I've never won the bracket challenge vs my wife.  She is also sitting 14/16 right now for the Sweet 16...  >:(  And for what's it's worth, I think she's only watched 1/2 of an Iowa game so far this year for college BB.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 23, 2009, 10:20:13 AM
Here are the standings (as calculated by ESPN) as IIAC Forever has moved from the field of 64 to the Sweet Sixteen.  I've included the #of teams each player has remaining in the tourney.  Should be a great weekend of b-ball coming up.  I'll post this over on the football page as well.

Klopenheimer              15
The Mayne Event         13
Thunderbolt                 13
UD Spartans                14
wbfootballdaddy 1      12
Purple Heys                 12
BB-IIAC 1                     13
doolittledog                 10
dutchfan1                    11
The Show                      9
SportsKnight                10
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: minneapolis miracle on April 03, 2009, 03:53:08 PM
Anyone got any recruiting info, that stuff should start heating up real soon...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dansand on April 10, 2009, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: minneapolis miracle on April 03, 2009, 03:53:08 PM
Anyone got any recruiting info, that stuff should start heating up real soon...

To Dubuque:

Jordan Townsend, Moline, IL (Moline HS)
6-6, C

*Named All-State by the Illinois Basketball Coaches Association (Special Mention)
*1st team All-Western Big 6 Conference
*All-tournament at Moline Thanksgiving Tourney
*Won four team awards (Most Improved, Offensive MVP, team captain and top rebounder) for 21-win        Western Big 6 Conference champs
*Participant at the Iowa-Illinois Senior All-Star Showcase
Jordan Townsend  G   FG-FGA   FG%   3P    3P%  FT-FTA   FT%  Reb  RPG   TP   PPG
2007-08........ 25   28-92   .304  3-21  .143   9-13   .692   58  2.3   68   2.7
2008-09........ 27  129-219  .589  2-10  .200  88-132  .667  146  5.4  348  12.9
Total.......... 52  157-311  .505  5-31  .161  97-145  .669  204  3.9  416   8.0

Not exceptionally athletic, but good skills and fundamentals...Probably needs to add weight and strength.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 11, 2009, 10:40:18 AM
Quote from: dansand on April 10, 2009, 12:06:06 PM
Quote from: minneapolis miracle on April 03, 2009, 03:53:08 PM
Anyone got any recruiting info, that stuff should start heating up real soon...

To Dubuque:

Jordan Townsend, Moline, IL (Moline HS)
6-6, C

*Named All-State by the Illinois Basketball Coaches Association (Special Mention)
*1st team All-Western Big 6 Conference
*All-tournament at Moline Thanksgiving Tourney
*Won four team awards (Most Improved, Offensive MVP, team captain and top rebounder) for 21-win        Western Big 6 Conference champs
*Participant at the Iowa-Illinois Senior All-Star Showcase
Jordan Townsend  G   FG-FGA   FG%   3P    3P%  FT-FTA   FT%  Reb  RPG   TP   PPG
2007-08........ 25   28-92   .304  3-21  .143   9-13   .692   58  2.3   68   2.7
2008-09........ 27  129-219  .589  2-10  .200  88-132  .667  146  5.4  348  12.9
Total.......... 52  157-311  .505  5-31  .161  97-145  .669  204  3.9  416   8.0

Not exceptionally athletic, but good skills and fundamentals...Probably needs to add weight and strength.

Thanks for the info.  I think Dubuque had some talent last year, they just needed to add a little height to get them a few more wins. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 18, 2009, 12:56:32 PM
After a break-out season this year, it looks like Mike DeGeorge of Cornell might be looking to make a move.  He's a finalist for the head coaching job at Wayne State in Nebraska, along with Wisconsin-Platteville's Paul Combs and an Iowa State assistant.  Link:  http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp (http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on April 20, 2009, 12:14:15 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on April 18, 2009, 12:56:32 PM
After a break-out season this year, it looks like Mike DeGeorge of Cornell might be looking to make a move.  He's a finalist for the head coaching job at Wayne State in Nebraska, along with Wisconsin-Platteville's Paul Combs and an Iowa State assistant.  Link:  http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp (http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp)

That's interesting.  Isn't Amry Shelby from Marion going there?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on April 20, 2009, 06:04:54 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on April 20, 2009, 12:14:15 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on April 18, 2009, 12:56:32 PM
After a break-out season this year, it looks like Mike DeGeorge of Cornell might be looking to make a move.  He's a finalist for the head coaching job at Wayne State in Nebraska, along with Wisconsin-Platteville's Paul Combs and an Iowa State assistant.  Link:  http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp (http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp)

That's interesting.  Isn't Amry Shelby from Marion going there?

Don't know about that, but I can tell you that WSU typically has a lot of Iowa ties among their roster and coaching staff.  ISU coach Greg McDermott got his first head coaching job there, and the coach that DeGeorge might replace is originally from Des Moines.  One of their "current" assistant coaches is a former CR Xavier and Mt. Mercy coach, and there are six Iowa natives on their current roster.  Those kids come from mostly small towns (New Sharon, Holstein, Earlville, Conrad, Chariton, Keswick).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dansand on April 20, 2009, 07:43:39 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on April 20, 2009, 12:14:15 AM
Quote from: sportsknight on April 18, 2009, 12:56:32 PM
After a break-out season this year, it looks like Mike DeGeorge of Cornell might be looking to make a move.  He's a finalist for the head coaching job at Wayne State in Nebraska, along with Wisconsin-Platteville's Paul Combs and an Iowa State assistant.  Link:  http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp (http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp)

That's interesting.  Isn't Amry Shelby from Marion going there?

Yes, he is.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 29, 2009, 03:24:31 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on April 18, 2009, 12:56:32 PM
After a break-out season this year, it looks like Mike DeGeorge of Cornell might be looking to make a move.  He's a finalist for the head coaching job at Wayne State in Nebraska, along with Wisconsin-Platteville's Paul Combs and an Iowa State assistant.  Link:  http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp (http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/17/mensbbcoach.asp)


The  announcement of who gets the job will be Thursday afternoon
http://www.wscwildcats.com/News/mbball/2009/4/29/mensbbpressconference.asp
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2009, 11:41:53 PM
It's Combs:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/04/29/platteville-coach-heads-to-d-ii.html
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on May 06, 2009, 07:37:07 PM
Good choice for WSC if you ask me.  Should be interesting to see who UWP gets to replace him.  I'd think they won't have much trouble finding a good one.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on May 11, 2009, 11:35:18 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on April 18, 2009, 12:56:32 PM
After a break-out season this year, it looks like Mike DeGeorge of Cornell might be looking to make a move.

This should be no surprise...young, up and coming coach...turns around a moribund program.  While it would be tough to see him leave...there is no time like the right here and now for him to be looking.

Of course, as an old saw in these sorts of things, his resume would be that much more impressive if he could find a way to duplicate this past season's performance with the next year's team.

On the flip side right here in San Diego we can't keep kids from opting out of High School.
http://sports.yahoo.com/top/news?slug=dw-tyler042209

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on May 12, 2009, 11:26:25 PM
Whats the news here? The recruiting news and rumors of coaches applying for different jobs has kind of slowed down here...where is everyone at?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 14, 2009, 06:58:08 PM
Quote from: wizkid9904 on May 12, 2009, 11:26:25 PM
Whats the news here? The recruiting news and rumors of coaches applying for different jobs has kind of slowed down here...where is everyone at?

I am at home, eating pizza with my son, while my wife is at our daughters dance lesson  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on May 18, 2009, 08:20:18 PM
Tis pretty dead. So here's some news.

Wartburg freshman Jordan Saathoff basketball player qualified for the NCAA Track and Field championships in the high jump. 6' 8.25". Good Luck Jordan.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on May 18, 2009, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on May 18, 2009, 08:20:18 PM
Wartburg freshman Jordan Saathoff basketball player qualified for the NCAA Track and Field championships in the high jump. 6' 8.25". Good Luck Jordan.

After he won the Iowa state title last year, I was hoping he'd mix some jumping in with his basketball duties while at Wartburg. 

AEN - Did his Pops jump while at Wartburg too?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on May 26, 2009, 08:35:52 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on May 18, 2009, 09:52:27 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on May 18, 2009, 08:20:18 PM
Wartburg freshman Jordan Saathoff basketball player qualified for the NCAA Track and Field championships in the high jump. 6' 8.25". Good Luck Jordan.

After he won the Iowa state title last year, I was hoping he'd mix some jumping in with his basketball duties while at Wartburg. 

AEN - Did his Pops jump while at Wartburg too?


Sathoff finish T-17 - 6'4"

Do not know about Daddy S. He was gone before I got here.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on June 15, 2009, 02:04:36 PM
Only a couple of players w/  IIAC ties playing in Prime Time league in North Liberty

Riley Larson – ex. Cornell
Keaton Frye – U of Dubuque

A few UIU current and past players. Including for WC x-fer Nick Kramer were drafted.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on June 17, 2009, 08:13:16 AM
Former Knight Doug Hall '93 is hired as HEAD COACH @ D1University of Missouri–Kansas City
http://www.go-knights.net/news/Article.aspx?ID=3574
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dansand on June 17, 2009, 09:21:11 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on June 17, 2009, 08:13:16 AM
Former Knight Doug Hall '93 is hired as HEAD COACH @ D1University of Missouri–Kansas City
http://www.go-knights.net/news/Article.aspx?ID=3574

Actually, he'll be Director of Basketball Operations, not the head coach. Big difference. DBO is usually more like a travelling secretary-type position. Still a good gig, though, at a D1 program.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on July 15, 2009, 11:17:59 AM
Seems like there are some late coaching changes in the West Region, anything going on in rumor-ville in the IIAC??

Last news was with DeGeorge looking at the Wayne State job, anything since then?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 20, 2009, 06:00:57 PM
Cornell announces that Mike DeGeorge has resigned.

Citing family/personal reasons, he is the father of several very young kids and wants to be a bigger part of their growing up than a hardworking, recruiting coach can be.   A very tough choice for an up and comer.

Best of luck to you, Coach Mike...Cornell's loss is your family's gain...and I can't find anything really to complain about...we were blessed to have him work his tail off for us while he was here.

What a wonderful measure of love you have shown your wife and kids.

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/mens-sports/mens-basketball/news/07-20-09.shtml


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on July 24, 2009, 08:21:16 AM
Wartburg 2009-10 Schedule is released

http://www.go-knights.net/mbasketball/0910schedule.htm

Wartburg College Sports Releases
Contact: Mark Adkins, Sports Information Director

Jul. 22, 2009

Battles with the Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference begin the 2009-10 Wartburg College men's and women's basketball campaigns.

Head coach Dick Peth's men's squad travels to Northfield, Minn., for a game against Carleton Nov. 16. Head coach Bob Amsberry's women's team hosts the University of St. Thomas of St. Paul, Minn., Nov. 15 and travels to Gustavus Adolphus College of St. Peter, Minn., Nov. 23.

The men's non-league slate is also highlighted by the annual Buzz Levick/Pizza Ranch Tipoff Tournament Nov. 20 and 21 and trip to Florida Dec. 27-31 for games at the Land of Magic tournament in Daytona Beach, Fla., and against NCAA Division II Florida Tech. The women's non-conference schedule has trips to UW-Stout (Nov. 28-29) and Franklin College of Indiana (Dec. 19-20) for tournaments along with its annual AmericInn Holiday Tournament Dec. 29 and 30 at Levick Arena.

Both teams begin Iowa Conference action Dec. 5 with a home doubleheader against Central College of Pella. The remaining IIAC visits will be Jan. 6 (Simpson College of Indianola); Jan. 16 (Buena Vista University of Storm Lake); Jan. 20 (Luther College of Decorah); Jan. 27 (University of Dubuque); Feb. 3 (Cornell College of Mount Vernon); Feb. 10 (Coe College of Cedar Rapids); and Feb. 17 (Loras College of Dubuque).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on July 27, 2009, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on July 20, 2009, 06:00:57 PM
Cornell announces that Mike DeGeorge has resigned.

Citing family/personal reasons, he is the father of several very young kids and wants to be a bigger part of their growing up than a hardworking, recruiting coach can be.   A very tough choice for an up and comer.

Best of luck to you, Coach Mike...Cornell's loss is your family's gain...and I can't find anything really to complain about...we were blessed to have him work his tail off for us while he was here.

What a wonderful measure of love you have shown your wife and kids.

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/mens-sports/mens-basketball/news/07-20-09.shtml

I guess this answers the "how badly did DeGeorge want to coach somewhere not named Cornell" question.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 29, 2009, 11:59:27 AM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald has a write up on Dubuque Senior 6'7 center Tom Frederick picking Wartburg.  Also notes Cornell coach DeGeorge leaving the school for the insurance field. 

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=251402
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 29, 2009, 03:52:17 PM
Quote from: sportsknight on July 27, 2009, 03:56:05 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on July 20, 2009, 06:00:57 PM
Cornell announces that Mike DeGeorge has resigned.

Citing family/personal reasons, he is the father of several very young kids and wants to be a bigger part of their growing up than a hardworking, recruiting coach can be.   A very tough choice for an up and comer.

Best of luck to you, Coach Mike...Cornell's loss is your family's gain...and I can't find anything really to complain about...we were blessed to have him work his tail off for us while he was here.

What a wonderful measure of love you have shown your wife and kids.

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/mens-sports/mens-basketball/news/07-20-09.shtml

I guess this answers the "how badly did DeGeorge want to coach somewhere not named Cornell" question.

That's rather cynical...how about giving the guy the benefit of the doubt?

If he surfaces with a HC job for '10-11 season then we'll know...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 29, 2009, 03:57:46 PM
Jr. was 18 months old when I made my choice to stop coaching at the scholastic level (having coached HS Basketball and Football and small college Football).

It takes a lot of time and energy.  And it does sap time from the family no matter how hard you try.

I can accept DeGeorge's decision at face value...I'll bet he's going be a whole lot better compensated compared to a D3 Basketball coach too.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 29, 2009, 09:09:28 PM
I would think DeGeorge would have had plenty of opportunities to coach elsewhere if that had been his desire.  With how indepth this training seems to be that he is going into, I think he is in it for at least somewhat for the long haul and is doing it for the money and his family. 

Now, I bet that most of us on here would agree though that with Purple Heys and DeGeorge both leaving the small college coaching ranks for higher paying jobs in the real world.  Purple Heys ended up with the cooler profession.  I think Purple Heys and his hot tub engineer job title trumps DeGeorge and his Insurance salesman trainer job title every day of the week and twice on sunday ;D

Now, hopefully Robbie Sieverding at UD stays in Dubuque for the long haul...like as long as Jon Davison stayed at UD.  I think Sieverding is on the verge of something special in Dubuque and want him to stay for many years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: T.A.R.D.I.S. on August 03, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
Anyone know if Cornell is considering moving Brase to the men's side?  He has a good run at Coe from 1999 until he left.  He also was able to recruit pretty well at Coe (Steve Banks, Mike Mohr, Mike Killberg, and Kyle Knuestling).  Any thoughts on this?   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on August 09, 2009, 07:04:40 PM
I would doubt that Braase is interested, however, is there any news on the Head Coaching position at Cornell
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on August 16, 2009, 02:37:02 PM
No news and no rumors that I can detect...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on August 20, 2009, 12:35:41 AM
Quote from: T.A.R.D.I.S. on August 03, 2009, 11:38:01 AM
Anyone know if Cornell is considering moving Brase to the men's side?  He has a good run at Coe from 1999 until he left.  He also was able to recruit pretty well at Coe (Steve Banks, Mike Mohr, Mike Killberg, and Kyle Knuestling).  Any thoughts on this?   

Brase did not recruit Kilburg.  That was 100% Juckem.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on August 25, 2009, 06:37:54 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on August 16, 2009, 02:37:02 PM
No news and no rumors that I can detect...

Greetings IIAC posters from a CCIW regular.

Effective today, Cornell has a new head coach as Chad Murray from North Central of the CCIW takes the reigns of the Rams program.
Cornell's release appears below:

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/mens-sports/mens-basketball/coach.shtml

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on August 26, 2009, 08:15:14 PM
So the Coe boys will be hitting the hardwood with UNI in November.

When is the last time a D3 school played a D1 school in the regular season? I realize D2 vs D1s are quite common, especially as an exhibition game, but a regular season game?

Will this count as a game for UNI and would it help Coe, win or lose, as part of the selection criteria if they happened to be a bubble team for post season play?

When is the last time anyone can think of a D3 school beating a D1 school in mens basketball?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on August 27, 2009, 12:30:34 AM
New Cornell coach Murray and his team face a big hurdle in his 1st year as Cornell is scheduled to play at D1 Coastal Carolina on Dec 27. The game does not yet appear on Cornell's schedule. Coastal Carolina has an early season date with Duke in the NIT Tip-Off Tournament. Good luck Chad.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 27, 2009, 01:38:56 AM
Quote from: Dr. Phil on August 26, 2009, 08:15:14 PMWhen is the last time a D3 school played a D1 school in the regular season? I realize D2 vs D1s are quite common, especially as an exhibition game, but a regular season game?

It's not all that common anymore, but it's hardly rare, either. There's at least a half-dozen instances each year of a D3 playing a D1 in a regular-season game, maybe more. Pat Coleman might have a better bead on the exact number of D3 @ D1 games in recent seasons.

Quote from: Dr. Phil on August 26, 2009, 08:15:14 PMWill this count as a game for UNI and would it help Coe, win or lose, as part of the selection criteria if they happened to be a bubble team for post season play?

It counts towards the overall records of both Northern Iowa and Coe, but both D1 and D3 championship rules state that games against teams from other NCAA divisions do not count towards the records used as determining criteria for tournament bids. In D3 terms, only games against fellow D3 teams from its own region (be it administrative region or geographic region) count towards a team's record with regard to determining criteria.

Quote from: Dr. Phil on August 26, 2009, 08:15:14 PM
When is the last time anyone can think of a D3 school beating a D1 school in mens basketball?

Last season; December 9, 2008, to be precise. (http://media.www.alestlelive.com/media/storage/paper351/news/2008/12/09/Sports/Division.Iii.Millikin.Topples.Siue-3575490.shtml)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2009, 02:19:04 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 07, 2009, 06:21:40 PM
Final Totals for 2009 (subject to revision)

D3 vs.

D1....1-35
D2....12-57
NAIA 1....9-26
NAIA 2....130-97
NCCAA 1....7-2
NCCAA 2....38-15
USCAA....67-12
Other....60-11
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: T.A.R.D.I.S. on August 27, 2009, 09:28:13 AM
I believe Wartburg beat D-1 Central Florida in the early part of this decade in a regular season game over the Christmas break. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 27, 2009, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2009, 02:19:04 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 07, 2009, 06:21:40 PM
Final Totals for 2009 (subject to revision)

D3 vs.

D1....1-35
D2....12-57
NAIA 1....9-26
NAIA 2....130-97
NCCAA 1....7-2
NCCAA 2....38-15
USCAA....67-12
Other....60-11

Thanks, Pat. I'd forgotten about Rhodes's interdivisional standings.

So ... there's your answer, Dr. Phil. D3 teams played D1 opponents in regular-season games 36 times last season, with Millikin's win over SIUE being the lone D3 victory.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on August 27, 2009, 05:40:15 PM
Quote from: T.A.R.D.I.S. on August 27, 2009, 09:28:13 AM
I believe Wartburg beat D-1 Central Florida in the early part of this decade in a regular season game over the Christmas break.  

Yes they did. http://www.d3hoops.com/notable/dec00b.htm


Also Coe will play UNI this winter. Nov 28 @ McLeod Center. Coe owns 21-19 series advantage over UNI since 1902 and last played 1952
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on August 27, 2009, 06:48:30 PM
Randolph-Macon defeated George Mason in an exhibition game this last year
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on August 30, 2009, 09:38:35 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 27, 2009, 05:39:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2009, 02:19:04 AM
Quote from: Rhodes Scholar on March 07, 2009, 06:21:40 PM
Final Totals for 2009 (subject to revision)

D3 vs.

D1....1-35
D2....12-57
NAIA 1....9-26
NAIA 2....130-97
NCCAA 1....7-2
NCCAA 2....38-15
USCAA....67-12
Other....60-11

Thanks, Pat. I'd forgotten about Rhodes's interdivisional standings.

So ... there's your answer, Dr. Phil. D3 teams played D1 opponents in regular-season games 36 times last season, with Millikin's win over SIUE being the lone D3 victory.

......thanks to all that responded.......you confirmed my thoughts that a win maybe tough to come by.....but "thats why they play the game" right?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on October 16, 2009, 06:09:19 PM
As the season is right around the corner and teams have begun their respective practices, I would like those in the know to list the top 5 backcourts, forecourt or forward tandems and post/center play in the conference.  Let the talk begin.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on October 30, 2009, 05:48:58 PM
Update on former IIAC MVP Nate Schmidt of Wartburg, who was recently diagnosed with testicular cancer.
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/66235937.html (http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/66235937.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 09, 2009, 11:31:10 AM
Wartburg has posted its roster

http://www.go-knights.net/mbasketball/vroster.html
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 11, 2009, 11:34:03 AM
Wartburg picked by coaches to win conference

Wartburg College, which finished fourth in the 2008-09 Iowa Conference men's basketball race is the coaches' pick to capture the 2009-10 IIAC men's basketball championship. The Knights received five of nine first-place votes, totaling 68 points in the IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll.

Preview
http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2009-10/Previews/mbasketball0910preview.pdf
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 11, 2009, 06:15:58 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 11, 2009, 11:34:03 AM
Wartburg picked by coaches to win conference

Wartburg College, which finished fourth in the 2008-09 Iowa Conference men's basketball race is the coaches' pick to capture the 2009-10 IIAC men's basketball championship. The Knights received five of nine first-place votes, totaling 68 points in the IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll.

Preview
http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2009-10/Previews/mbasketball0910preview.pdf

A few thoughts on that release.  Loras sure has taken a tumble down the rankings.  Wartburg, after a couple of off years, is back at the top.  It says Cornell is returning "all three starters"  That is pretty impressive they are the defending conference champs and they were playing 3 on 5 basketball to do it!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 16, 2009, 12:31:41 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 11, 2009, 06:15:58 PM
A few thoughts on that release.  Loras sure has taken a tumble down the rankings.  Wartburg, after a couple of off years, is back at the top.  It says Cornell is returning "all three starters"  That is pretty impressive they are the defending conference champs and they were playing 3 on 5 basketball to do it!!!
Wow, Central is returning all 5 starters, maybe we can take them this year.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 19, 2009, 11:13:26 AM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald has their season previews for Dubuque and Loras up.

UD one here... http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=263844

Loras one here... http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=263759
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 19, 2009, 12:20:22 PM
Central's preseason outlook is up on our website.  www.central.edu/athletics

The Dutch evened their record at 1-1 last night with a sloppy win over Bethany Lutheran.  We had a huge size advantage and it wasn't much of a game.  We do need to work on taking better control of the ball though.  Sloppy was definitely the way we played, will have to play better than that the rest of the season. 

Hate harping on the officials, but I wouldn't mind never seeing those guys again.  Sadly, we see them quite frequently. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 19, 2009, 02:31:37 PM
Quote from: Klompen on November 19, 2009, 12:20:22 PM

Hate harping on the officials, but I wouldn't mind never seeing those guys again.  Sadly, we see them quite frequently.  

I have a book on the history of the IIAC written in 1961.  That book mused that 'just as we harp on bad officials today, it is nothing new'  It went on to talk about schools complaining of "homer" refs and told how in the early days of the conference, before most schools had scoreboards in their gyms that the officials would call out the score of the game after every made basket.  During a game at Simpson, after a made shot the ref announced the score as 'Iowa Teachers have 20... WE have 25'  Understandably, the Iowa Teachers bench were not amused ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 20, 2009, 12:11:10 PM
Interesting story on the D3Hoops front page:

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/diamonds-and-ice/2009/11/18/a-new-conference-for-cornell-coe-and-luther

Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: haterinthehouse on November 20, 2009, 01:37:56 PM
How many schools are needed for a conference to have an AQ? 7? 8? If the IIAC splits as the article recommends, would the remaining schools look to add some schools? UMAC schools? Nebraska Wesleyan Univ (old NIAC)? etc...

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on November 20, 2009, 02:11:13 PM
Seven schools are required for an AQ.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2009, 03:23:00 PM
Quote from: haterinthehouse on November 20, 2009, 01:37:56 PM
How many schools are needed for a conference to have an AQ? 7? 8?

It varies from sport to sport. As Just Bill said, in men's basketball a conference needs seven participating members to land an AQ. In football, it's six.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 20, 2009, 09:37:33 PM
It's seven in all sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2009, 02:36:40 AM
Really? I thought that it was six in football. You've got the Empire 8 listed as receiving an automatic bid in football on the d3football.com FAQ page, but the Empire 8 is only a six-team conference in football.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 21, 2009, 02:39:57 AM
No one can speak for Cornell, Coe and Luther, but I got a feeling the players wouldn't wouldn't want to leave the IIAC if its up to them . Cornell won the IIAC Mens Basketball Tourney last year, Coe is in the football playoffs this year and Luther has been a top contender to win league titles in baseball every year, not to mention  in women sports.  Sounds to me like they can compete--Why fix something that isn't broke?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 21, 2009, 07:57:34 AM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on November 21, 2009, 02:39:57 AM
No one can speak for Cornell, Coe and Luther, but I got a feeling the players wouldn't wouldn't want to leave the IIAC  if its up to them . Cornell won the IIAC Mens Basketball Tourney last year, Coe is in the football playoffs this year and Luther has been a top contender to win league titles in baseball every year, not to mention  in women sports.  Sounds to me like they can compete--Why fix something that isn't broke?

It was mentioned either in this thread, or another one on here regarding this subject.  If there isn't anything to fix, then they will invent something to fix to give them a reason to have the meeting.  You are correct that the players wouldn't want to leave the conference.  All the schools are competitive in athletics.  The problem is often the school administrations.  They often aren't all that interested in what the athletic side of the schools want.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 21, 2009, 07:58:38 AM
And welcome to the board IntramuralChamp!!!  Always great to have new posters on here.  Check back and post often!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 22, 2009, 12:44:18 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 21, 2009, 02:36:40 AM
Really? I thought that it was six in football. You've got the Empire 8 listed as receiving an automatic bid in football on the d3football.com FAQ page, but the Empire 8 is only a six-team conference in football.

I believe they are in that grace period (2 years?) to get back up to 7 after losing a member. 

(But I wonder about the grace period on the name?  Of course, it doesn't seem to bother the Big Ten! :D)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: huhoops on November 23, 2009, 05:11:39 PM
Could any Norse fans (or anyone at all) tell me if Luther does a web stream for their games and if so how I get to it?  ???

I'd like to watch them play St. Olaf tonight, so I've been looking around their athletics site trying to find it for an embarrassingly long amount of time.

Any help would be appreciated.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 23, 2009, 11:28:38 PM
Norse get win, as Larsen scores 26 and they survive in 2 over times. Sounds like St.Olaf missed out on some opportunities to win the game by missing some easy lay ups down the stretch. Any one at this game?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carletonsid on November 24, 2009, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 20, 2009, 12:11:10 PM
Interesting story on the D3Hoops front page:

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/diamonds-and-ice/2009/11/18/a-new-conference-for-cornell-coe-and-luther

Thoughts?

Just want to jump in here as a voice from the MIAC and say this idea is old news and isn't happening anytime soon. It was discussed a bit last spring. Frankly, it's very poor reporting. Why didn't the reporter call anyone at Cornell, Coe or Luther and ask for comments? What about any of the other ACM schools? With the way things are with the economy, it's hard to imagine any of the IIAC or MIAC ACM members wanting to change conferences and incur more travel time, costs and missed class time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 24, 2009, 06:08:48 PM
Quote from: carletonsid on November 24, 2009, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 20, 2009, 12:11:10 PM
Interesting story on the D3Hoops front page:

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/diamonds-and-ice/2009/11/18/a-new-conference-for-cornell-coe-and-luther

Thoughts?

Just want to jump in here as a voice from the MIAC and say this idea is old news and isn't happening anytime soon. It was discussed a bit last spring. Frankly, it's very poor reporting. Why didn't the reporter call anyone at Cornell, Coe or Luther and ask for comments? What about any of the other ACM schools? With the way things are with the economy, it's hard to imagine any of the IIAC or MIAC ACM members wanting to change conferences and incur more travel time, costs and missed class time.

Whew...good news to hear.  I was starting to get worried that there was more than just rumor here.  The news wasn't making any sense to me.  But, things often don't make sense in our world. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on November 24, 2009, 06:23:37 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 19, 2009, 11:13:26 AM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald has their season previews for Dubuque and Loras up.

UD one here... http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=263844


What?!  No mention of Team Hookstead?    :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on November 24, 2009, 06:25:33 PM
Quote from: carletonsid on November 24, 2009, 03:11:43 PM
Quote from: Just Bill on November 20, 2009, 12:11:10 PM
Interesting story on the D3Hoops front page:

http://gazetteonline.com/blogs/diamonds-and-ice/2009/11/18/a-new-conference-for-cornell-coe-and-luther

Thoughts?

Just want to jump in here as a voice from the MIAC and say this idea is old news and isn't happening anytime soon. It was discussed a bit last spring. Frankly, it's very poor reporting. Why didn't the reporter call anyone at Cornell, Coe or Luther and ask for comments? What about any of the other ACM schools? With the way things are with the economy, it's hard to imagine any of the IIAC or MIAC ACM members wanting to change conferences and incur more travel time, costs and missed class time.

Thanks for jumping in and providing that insight.  +k!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 25, 2009, 10:50:13 AM
Central had an easy win over Faith Baptist last night 90-51.  Need tougher non-conference competition to get us ready for the IIAC.  Even the 3rd string looked good last night with some good younger players.  Starters need to spend some time at the free throw line though.  Missed a lot of easy points at the line.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 25, 2009, 12:32:14 PM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with recaps of last nights games involving UD and Loras.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=264514

Dubuque beat a 6-1 Mt. Mercy 79-75

Loras lost to Wheaton 82-60
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 28, 2009, 12:23:15 AM
It might be a tough year in Duhawk land! Tonight they had two starters not score a point and they put up 54 points, losing 90-54? Can losing this bad help you prepare for IIAC, regardless if you're playing top 25 teams? UD appears to be the team to beat in Dubuque this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 29, 2009, 08:35:02 AM
Loras and UD get non-conference wins.

Loras 102-98 over Aurora.

Dubuque 77-54 over Beloit.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=264951
Title: Loras Basketball Transfer?
Post by: coebball70 on November 30, 2009, 02:33:41 PM
Noticed an interesting post on Loras' sports Facebook page.  Can anyone offer any information on the transfer of Franklin Griffin from Seton Hall to Loras?  I believe Griffin was a starter on Chicago's Whitney Young HS state championship basketball team of 2009. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 30, 2009, 04:57:54 PM
Griffin is not listed in the Seton Hall media guide. Most redshirt freshmen, which is what Griffin would have been, are at least mentioned in D1 media guides. He's also not listed on the Loras online roster, either, and unless he was participating in Seton Hall's preseason practices -- which I strongly doubt, since he isn't even mentioned in the media guide -- he would be eligible to play for Loras right away. Of course, he may not be enrolled yet.

If the Duhawks did manage to land him, it'd be quite a serious coup.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 30, 2009, 08:44:40 PM
6'5 Weighs 218lbs. Appears to be a post player with no 3's shot and 50% from free throw line. Doubt he had any affiliation with Seton Hall athletics.

Name                     G    FG   FGA    3P   3PA    FT   FTA   Pts    Avg   Reb   Ast

Franklin Griffin        30    35    70     0     0    24    48    94    3.1    90     8

* This comes from his high school website!
http://www.ihsa.org/activity/bkb/2008-09/4info3.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on December 01, 2009, 12:50:04 PM
not sure he was even getting D1 looks....

http://illinoishsbasketball.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=760&Itemid=1
Title: Re: Loras Basketball Transfer?
Post by: dansand on December 01, 2009, 01:03:05 PM
Quote from: coebball70 on November 30, 2009, 02:33:41 PM
Noticed an interesting post on Loras' sports Facebook page.  Can anyone offer any information on the transfer of Franklin Griffin from Seton Hall to Loras?  I believe Griffin was a starter on Chicago's Whitney Young HS state championship basketball team of 2009.  

Augustana recruited him, although they were more interested in his teammate Antonio Johnson who ended up at West Georgia.

I knew he was headed to Seton Hall, but I assumed he had no intention of playing basketball. I don't know how good of a player he is, but from what I've heard, he's a real high-character kid.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 01, 2009, 04:11:35 PM
My guess is that he went to Seton Hall as a no-guarantees walk-on, didn't make the cut at tryouts for one of the limited number of walk-on spaces available (no shame in that; he's a 6'5 C/PF type who tried to make a Big East roster), wised up, and left New Jersey to come back to the midwest so that he can enroll somewhere where he can get a good education and play lots of D3 basketball rather than loiter for a year in the stands in the hope that he could then get to spend four years passing squirt bottles and towels down the Pirates' bench.

I've seen Griffin play. I think that he can be a very good player in the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 01, 2009, 07:56:10 PM
The real season starts tomorrow, no more games against Martin Luther, Crown, Bethany Lutheran and Knox. Looking forward to the battle in Dubuque, regardless of talent, this in town rivalry is usually a good one. Interesting that its the first conference opener for both teams. Other match up that could be closer then many might think is the BV vs  Luther game. Any thoughts on the conference openers?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 01, 2009, 09:44:09 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on December 01, 2009, 07:56:10 PM
The real season starts tomorrow, no more games against Martin Luther, Crown, Bethany Lutheran and Knox. Looking forward to the battle in Dubuque, regardless of talent, this in town rivalry is usually a good one. Interesting that its the first conference opener for both teams. Other match up that could be closer then many might think is the BV vs  Luther game. Any thoughts on the conference openers?

I plan on listening in tomorrow night.  Interesting to start the conference season with a Dubuque/Loras matchup.  This is always a fun game.  This is one instance when the old cliche "throw out the records" applies. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 02, 2009, 05:42:22 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on December 01, 2009, 07:56:10 PM
The real season starts tomorrow, no more games against Martin Luther, Crown, Bethany Lutheran and Knox. Looking forward to the battle in Dubuque, regardless of talent, this in town rivalry is usually a good one. Interesting that its the first conference opener for both teams. Other match up that could be closer then many might think is the BV vs  Luther game. Any thoughts on the conference openers?

Central @ Wartburg on Saturday to open the conference season for the Knights. Centeral starts with rival Simpson. With all these rivalry openers I'm surprised Wart/Luther wasn't one of them.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 02, 2009, 09:58:05 PM
Loras up 38-31 halftime @ Dubuque  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 02, 2009, 11:05:27 PM
Loras wins 80-71 @ Dubuque.  Rat Farts!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 03, 2009, 07:22:05 AM
Coe puts up 35 points on 26% shooting from the field, and loses 54 to 35! Coe may be able to play defense to win games but its going to be hard to win games only scoring 35 points in the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on December 03, 2009, 10:36:16 AM
Cornell out of IIAC? http://gazetteonline.com/sports/2009/12/02/cornell-may-be-dropping-out-of-the-iowa-conference
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2009, 11:33:28 AM
Quote from: wizkiddy1304 on December 03, 2009, 10:36:16 AM
Cornell out of IIAC? http://gazetteonline.com/sports/2009/12/02/cornell-may-be-dropping-out-of-the-iowa-conference

We've been talking about this on the football side of the board.  My guess is that Cornell is ready to make the change and just has to do a sell job to the other schools to make it happen.  If they can't talk those schools into forming their own conference I suppose Cornell could just try to re-join the Midwest Conference. 

I don't like it, but it sounds like that is what the Cornell administration wants.  Too bad. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 03, 2009, 10:54:27 PM
I think if Cornell could compete or not finish in the bottom of the IIAC year in and year out there would be no talk of joining any other conference. If they join the ACM they are probably in the middle of the pack with the teams that are listed, so automatically they are better off. Cornell just needs to get more coaches like DeGeorge to build a program and establish some winning ways. Even when they were winning in basketball the past 2 years they still couldn't fill their gym. The town of Mt. Vernon needs to support their Rams, and they in turn probably think the Rams need to be able to compete before they will support them.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on December 04, 2009, 01:02:35 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on December 03, 2009, 07:22:05 AM
Coe puts up 35 points on 26% shooting from the field, and loses 54 to 35! Coe may be able to play defense to win games but its going to be hard to win games only scoring 35 points in the IIAC.

Wow, so we have no bench at all.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on December 04, 2009, 03:50:08 PM
I cant figure out what the offensive game plan Coe has.......lots of passing around the perimeter, but no screens, no give and goes, cutters are rare, and when they do cut, no one passes the ball!!

If you look at the Cornell game, Coe had 4 assists! 4!!!!! You dont win with that kind of execution.  When you turn the ball over 15 times or more a game, it doesnt help either.

Their offense consists of passing in the post and it will never come outs. No one cuts to the basket to help on a double team.  Makes it easy for the other coach to gameplan against.

When they do get the D rebound, they rarely push the ball - they take their time, let the others team defense set up, get one shot and out. No offensive boards to speak off at all.

Coe needs to be far more aggressive and let some of their more aggressive players get to the rim....get some fouls on their opponents. Going to the rim at least gets an offensive player or two near the rim to try for an O board.

I hope they can work it out because scoring 35 in a college game is just plain embarrassing,  not to mention 26% shooting!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 04, 2009, 07:56:01 PM
I didn't realize Coe's bench did not score a single point and only took 8 shots! Juckem will get after their posts after their starters were 4-16 with 6 turnovers. Lets remember it was their first game.

I am going to go ahead and take the improved Kohawks over Dubuque tomorrow. Also taking BV at Loras, Wartburg at home, and Cornell on the road at Simpson, but wouldn't be surprised to see this go the other way.




   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 04, 2009, 09:44:56 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on December 04, 2009, 07:56:01 PM
I didn't realize Coe's bench did not score a single point and only took 8 shots! Juckem will get after their posts after their starters were 4-16 with 6 turnovers. Lets remember it was their first game.

I am going to go ahead and take the improved Kohawks over Dubuque tomorrow. Also taking BV at Loras, Wartburg at home, and Cornell on the road at Simpson, but wouldn't be surprised to see this go the other way.


Boo you!!!  :P :P :P

J/k, great to have some new voices on here!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 05, 2009, 05:23:17 PM
Central men jump out to early lead on Wartburg, 15-6.  Game is at Wartburg.   :(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 05, 2009, 06:20:45 PM
WB must have gotten a good speach at halftime, Central was up by 8 at half, now down by 3 with about 12 minutes left.  Go Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 05, 2009, 07:06:21 PM
Congratulations to the Central men for completing the sweep at WB with a 64-63 win.  Way to go Dutch.  They are off to their best start in years.  Had high hopes for the men this year with 5 starters back, but they still need to learn some consistency if they want to keep up the winning ways when we hit the better teams in the conference.  I like getting two wins over the rival teams in the conference, but the better teams are still ahead and Central has to keep improving if they want a shot at the conference title.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on December 06, 2009, 01:32:40 PM
That JV game was brutal.

I thought Yansky needed to get control of those kids emotions.  Something would go wrong and heads would go down.

Good to see Dougie though.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 06, 2009, 02:12:10 PM
Klompen- Props to your Dutch for being 6-1 and 2-0 in the league. Yesterday's win was a big one but other then that win I don't know how good Central really is because of their non-conference schedule. I think the Pella High School team could have beat those non-conference teams also. The win at Wartburg is no doubt a good one and we'll find out soon enough if they are the best in the league. Having everyone back will help with the tough IIAC schedule in 2010.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 07, 2009, 12:38:16 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on December 06, 2009, 02:12:10 PM
Klompen- Props to your Dutch for being 6-1 and 2-0 in the league. Yesterday's win was a big one but other then that win I don't know how good Central really is because of their non-conference schedule. I think the Pella High School team could have beat those non-conference teams also. The win at Wartburg is no doubt a good one and we'll find out soon enough if they are the best in the league. Having everyone back will help with the tough IIAC schedule in 2010.
Completely agree with you IC.  We were so bad for so many years, that 3 years in a row we only had 5 wins total, including those really bad non-conference opponents.  It did not seem like the team cared one way or another if they won or lost.  Last year the team seemed to care for the first time in a long time, but they still play inconsistent.  They would be up for the games perceived to be tough, then lose to teams that were below them in the conference, playing to the level of the competition.  I would like to see them come out and play every game strong this year.  Like you, hard to know if they are good or not because of the scheduling.  It isn't easy to win at Wartburg and so I'm happy with that, but BV will be a real test Wednesday night.  I am hopeful that it helps to get to them early with all 5 of our starters returning and them having to find some replacements.

If the Dutch can't do it this year with the returning talent, it will be a long year next year.  Not saying they will win conference, but I would hope for a top 3 finish at least.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 10, 2009, 10:12:13 PM
*&**(()_%$ &^%()(_
How does Central manage to screw up an 11 point lead and fall behind so fast?  They just don't know how to play consistent basketball.   :'(

Get it together, Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 10, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Central men should be smelling their first opportunity for a win at BV in decades.  They need to take a sniff and go for it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 10, 2009, 10:37:41 PM
Can someone who was there tell me if Central was really fouling that much more than BV that they got so many free throw shots.  I know that at the end we fouled to try to get the ball, but from just seeing stats, it looks like BV got a lot of FT attempts.  Congrats to the Beavers though.  Central doesn't have the killer instinct that it takes to win against the good teams in the conference.   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 10, 2009, 11:14:23 PM
OT for UD and undefeated Cornell.

Dubuque had a 1 point lead in the final minute of regulation.  They only made 1-4 FT attempts and Cornell tied the game on a last second shot. 

OT with Cornell looking like they will win the game >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 10, 2009, 11:21:43 PM
And Dubuque lets one slip away.  The Spartans had this game won, but could not hit free throws down the stretch and let Cornell steal the game. 

Final score 71-69 Cornell over UD in OT
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 10, 2009, 11:46:40 PM
Central loses 77 to 68 at BV. Central forces 22 turnovers and gets 18 offensive rebounds and still only shoots 41% from the field. According to box score they took 20 more shots then BV. BV may have shot more free throws, but to get 20 more possessions is crazy and should result in a W. Once again Klompen, that non-conference schedule may have hurt them down the stretch tonight. You can be up 11 against Faith Baptist and win by 30, but there are some better teams in the IIAC then Faith Baptist.

McCarville and Danielson score 26 and 19 as Wartburg beats Loras 86 to 71. Tim Kelly had 18 for the Duhawks.

Cornell wins 71 to 69 in OT against Dubuque. Dubuque goes 1-4 for free throw line in last 21 seconds of regulation after being up one at the time. Handke makes lay up with 3 seconds left to send to OT. Cornell lead most of OT, Dubuque had a shot to win it but missed.

Great night of basketball in the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on December 11, 2009, 12:48:36 AM
How about them Rams?  I was very worried about things when Riley Larson didn't return, because I figured he, along with Handke, provided a compelling height advantage going into the season

Old hoop adage:  Quick guys get tired, tall guys don't get short.

Anyway, I figured they'd get a High-Low thing going and it would make them very tough to handle.  Without Larson, Handke has had to step it up and the Rams needed to establish new shooters to replace LaDew and Tierney.

So far so good...but tough tests lay waiting in the IIAC.  But for now Happy 2009 for the Rams ending the 2009 of the 2009-10 IIAC season undefeated.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on December 11, 2009, 12:49:56 AM
Quote from: Klompen on December 10, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Central men should be smelling their first opportunity for a win at BV in decades.  They need to take a sniff and go for it.

Take it from one who knows...old habits die hard.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 11, 2009, 10:02:14 AM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on December 10, 2009, 11:46:40 PM
Once again Klompen, that non-conference schedule may have hurt them down the stretch tonight. You can be up 11 against Faith Baptist and win by 30, but there are some better teams in the IIAC then Faith Baptist.
You're preaching to the choir, remember.  I don't like the non-conference schedule either.  Still would like to know if it looked like the fouls were called fairly on both sides, not claiming they weren't at all, but the difference in the number of free throws was well more than the final outcome difference and just curious if we were playing that aggressive/sloppy or not.  Agree the shooting % killed us.  We were up by 11 in the first half and don't understand the meltdown.  Did BV pick it up that much or did we just crumble.  Couldn't get any video streaming of the game, so I have nothing but stats to go on.  

The better team on the night won.  Central had the more experienced team and a nice lead and let it slip away or couldn't finish it off.  I'm sure BV had something to do with that, but it's frustrating.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 12, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
Quote from: Purple Heys on December 11, 2009, 12:48:36 AM
Anyway, I figured they'd get a High-Low thing going and it would make them very tough to handle.  Without Larson, Handke has had to step it up and the Rams needed to establish new shooters to replace LaDew and Tierney.
So far so good...but tough tests lay waiting in the IIAC.  But for now Happy 2009 for the Rams ending the 2009 of the 2009-10 IIAC season undefeated.   :)

I'm not buying in on the Rams until they play someone that will finish in top 4 of the league. Handke can be good, but who has he played against? It will be interesting when he plays against some of the better bigs in the leagues. The true champions play well in January and win it in February. Coach Murray will be coach of the year if he can finish in top 2.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on December 14, 2009, 08:08:35 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on December 12, 2009, 12:39:32 AM
Quote from: Purple Heys on December 11, 2009, 12:48:36 AM
Anyway, I figured they'd get a High-Low thing going and it would make them very tough to handle.  Without Larson, Handke has had to step it up and the Rams needed to establish new shooters to replace LaDew and Tierney.
So far so good...but tough tests lay waiting in the IIAC.  But for now Happy 2009 for the Rams ending the 2009 of the 2009-10 IIAC season undefeated.   :)

I'm not buying in on the Rams until they play someone that will finish in top 4 of the league. Handke can be good, but who has he played against? It will be interesting when he plays against some of the better bigs in the leagues. The true champions play well in January and win it in February. Coach Murray will be coach of the year if he can finish in top 2.

Was not soliciting for sale...just giving the Rams a well-deserved attaboy for the job so far.  I don't like the Mount Mercy loss BTW.

We'll see what happens as January rolls around.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 15, 2009, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: Purple Heys on December 11, 2009, 12:49:56 AM
Quote from: Klompen on December 10, 2009, 10:26:10 PM
Central men should be smelling their first opportunity for a win at BV in decades.  They need to take a sniff and go for it.

Take it from one who knows...old habits die hard.
Yeah, in this sport, I feel your football pain.   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stickman on December 19, 2009, 06:10:15 PM
Speaking of non-conference schedules did Luther join the UMAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 28, 2009, 12:12:11 AM
Does anyone know the connection Cornell has with Coastal Carolina? Just wondering how they got that game scheduled. Tough loss but I am sure a fun experience for the Rams!

All the posters on Christmas vacation? Lots of games this week and no posting.  If your a fan of the IIAC, this message board needs your insight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 28, 2009, 09:48:09 AM
It's been a little tough to get everyone off of the football board the last couple of winters.  But I do think it will pick up a bit on here after the New Year. 

Speaking of Cornell at Coastal Carolina.  I noticed in the box score there was an attendance of 700 and change.  Cornell has played in front of bigger crowds in the IIAC :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 02, 2010, 05:15:38 PM
Just so we don't go too long with no talk on here.  The schedule for the next week.

Jan. 2 Augustana (Ill.) @ Buena Vista 5:00 PM   
Jan. 2 Simpson @ Elmhurst 3:00 PM   
Jan. 3 Cornell @ Lakeland 2:00 PM   
Jan. 4 Dubuque @ Clarke 7:00 PM   
Jan. 4 Coe @ Luther 8:00 PM 
Jan. 6 Buena Vista @ Coe 8:00 PM   
Jan. 6 Dubuque @ Central 8:00 PM   
Jan. 6 Loras @ Luther 8:00 PM   
Jan. 6 Simpson @ Wartburg 8:00 PM
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2010, 09:14:47 PM
Lakeland 75, Cornell 72 (Muskies took lead with 2 1/2 min. left, then hit their FTs to seal it--per Lakeland release--) Muskies' Schwarz & Regal --31 & 17 pts respectively--have been scoring big most of the season anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 03, 2010, 11:02:23 PM
Simpson loses to Elmhurst by 11, while Buena Vista wins by 10 in the battle between the IIAC and CCIW. Simpson continues to compete in every game win or lose, while the Buena Vista win impresses me. Augustana was ranked and has lost to some tough teams. It will be interesting to see how they finish in the tough CCIW and see how BV stacks up to what many outsiders consider a weak IIAC conference. Meanwhile the IIAC gets back to conference play starting with Coe and Luther Monday night. I will take the Norse at home in a defensive shoot out. Still interested to see if Cornell can keep their undefeated record in the 2nd half. Any other thoughts as conference play gets rolling again?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2010, 09:42:03 PM
Dubuque wins @ cross-town Clarke College 69-62.

UD was up 48-30 before letting Clarke go on a run. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on January 04, 2010, 11:58:50 PM
24% from the field, seriously!

Good thing you guys can hit your free throws, sort of.

C'mon Kohawks, step it up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 05, 2010, 12:32:30 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2010, 09:14:47 PM
Lakeland 75, Cornell 72 (Muskies took lead with 2 1/2 min. left, then hit their FTs to seal it--per Lakeland release--) Muskies' Schwarz & Regal --31 & 17 pts respectively--have been scoring big most of the season anyway.

Given the records coming in, and as a result of seeing Lakeland play twice early this season, the result still seems surprising.
Or not to those more familiar with Lakeland and/or Cornell?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 05, 2010, 11:07:51 AM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on January 03, 2010, 11:02:23 PM
Simpson loses to Elmhurst by 11, while Buena Vista wins by 10 in the battle between the IIAC and CCIW. Simpson continues to compete in every game win or lose...
...Any other thoughts as conference play gets rolling again?
I wasn't at the Central-Simpson game in early December, but from what I recall in reading about it, Simpson wasn't in that one from the start.  I hope that is an indicator that Central can do better in the conference this year as the non-conference schedule is so weak it tells me nothing.  They played BV close at BV, which is rare, so I am looking for improvement this year from the Dutch.

I think the winners tomorrow will be BV, Central, Loras and Wartburg.  But my thoughts do not necessarily reflect reality.  At least they didn't in the football pick-ems.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 05, 2010, 11:55:08 AM
Write-up in the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald re: last nights UD/Clarke game.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=268772

It says at the end that Klompen better be ready for a Dubuque monkey stomp over his Central Dutch later this week...well, maybe not in so many words ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 05, 2010, 05:38:49 PM
Quote from: AndOne on January 05, 2010, 12:32:30 AM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on January 03, 2010, 09:14:47 PM
Lakeland 75, Cornell 72 (Muskies took lead with 2 1/2 min. left, then hit their FTs to seal it--per Lakeland release--) Muskies' Schwarz & Regal --31 & 17 pts respectively--have been scoring big most of the season anyway.

Given the records coming in, and as a result of seeing Lakeland play twice early this season, the result still seems surprising.
Or not to those more familiar with Lakeland and/or Cornell?


Rams didn't play as well as they have been recently.  Lakeland took advantage of Ram turnovers and did what they needed to win.  More of a case of Lakeland taking the opportunities presented and taking the win.  Cornell had their chances.  Credit to Lakeland for not giving it back.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 05, 2010, 08:44:44 PM
Predictions for Weds-BV wins at Coe but closer then many think because Coe gets hot and shots 40% from the field. Luther wins at home in a battle that goes back and forth, Wartburg's games over Christmas help them as they win by 15+ at home and Central struggles early but wins late.

Where are the KoKoNuts? I need some insight on how a team can shoot 24% in a college basketball game. What has gone wrong in Cedar Rapids? Earlier in the year they shot 26% against Cornell. In the conference they are currently shooting 31.4% on the year.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 06, 2010, 02:46:28 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 05, 2010, 11:55:08 AM
Write-up in the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald re: last nights UD/Clarke game.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=268772

It says at the end that Klompen better be ready for a Dubuque monkey stomp over his Central Dutch later this week...well, maybe not in so many words ;D ;D ;D
;D ;D ;D Not in so many words is right.  Blum really killed us a couple of years ago from the 3.  Hope he's as cold as the weather tonight.  If UD only won 69-62 against a 2-14 team, I'm going to stand by my pick for the Dutch.  Like I would do anything else, I thought they would win at BV this year.  Still think they should have, but would haves and should haves don't win games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 06, 2010, 02:48:55 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on January 05, 2010, 08:44:44 PM
Where are the KoKoNuts? I need some insight on how a team can shoot 24% in a college basketball game. What has gone wrong in Cedar Rapids? Earlier in the year they shot 26% against Cornell. In the conference they are currently shooting 31.4% on the year.

Clearly they went to Central's men's basketball shooting camp!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on January 06, 2010, 11:24:43 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on January 04, 2010, 11:58:50 PM
C'mon Kohawks, step it up.

That's what I'm talking about. 

Nice win, way to stick it to the Beavers.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 07, 2010, 08:28:55 AM
Wartburg beats Simpson 84-67
Simpson was up  22-13. Wartburg answered with a 25-2 run that lasted more than six minutes. Lead was as much as 23 and was 15+ almost all of 2nd half.

Since the zebra usually get ripped, I will add the crew that did the game did a darn good job.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2010, 08:54:45 AM
Central administers the Monkey Stomp on Dubuque 76-51

Now I am glad the  Central webcast just had the video and no scoreboard ;D

Loras over Luther 68-55

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=268957
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 07, 2010, 09:34:40 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 07, 2010, 08:54:45 AM
Central administers the Monkey Stomp on Dubuque 76-51

Now I am glad the  Central webcast just had the video and no scoreboard ;D

Loras over Luther 68-55

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=268957
Doolittle, I watched off and on during the women's game before heading out in the snow to watch the men battle it out.  I too was frustrated that I wasn't seeing the score.  I clicked on the option to go to full screen for awhile, then went back to watching it on the smaller screen and noticed that above the video box was a scoreboard and time left indicator.  Don't know if I missed that the first time only looking at the screen or not, but agreed that watching without knowing the score was worthless.  Once I found where it was, it was great, mostly because the women started playing better about that time.   :D  Anyway, for future reference for anyone else that watches their team get beat at Central.   ;D ;D ;D

Nice win by the Dutch.  Another double digit win season at Central, there is hope yet!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dr. Phil on January 08, 2010, 02:35:27 PM
How about Coe knocking off BV by 2?

Based on how Coe was playing, that was a bit of a surprise to say the least.

The poor overall shooting percentage is a function of the offensive game plan Coe uses - they rarely run off a miss, do not hit cutters, do not really assist for baskets and rely on outside shooting, which has been poor to say the least!

Until the game vs BV, the have not been very good shooting the ball and I guess every now and then, your gonna make some.  The reason for that win was that Coe was getting the 3 ball down and some timely shots near the end of the game helped them to the win.

Anytime to's out number assists, you are generally in trouble. This is a stat that needs to change 180 degrees in order to get more wins in the conference.

I guess beating an undefeated conference team is going to raise the confidence of the team and I hope to see more aggressive play that leads to some easy baskets for the rest of the season - they really need it!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 09, 2010, 05:27:33 PM
Video of the UD/Wartburg game found here... http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/Video.cfm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 09, 2010, 05:34:25 PM
Wartburg up 31-28 over Dubuque at the half. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 09, 2010, 06:06:26 PM
Dubuque up 42-40 with 10:33 left in regulation. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 09, 2010, 06:31:38 PM
Dubuque beats Wartburg 64-58
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 09, 2010, 09:29:30 PM
Good game by the Kohawks at Central today, but the Dutch are able to hang on for the win 62-50.  Nice to see the Dutch able to adjust to some players missing games recently.  One starter missed today with the flu, another player was out on Tuesday.  Nice adjustments over all.  Lots of turnovers by Central today, but they did what they needed to do to win. 

Interesting that Juckems was constantly out on the playing floor during the game it gave Coe the effect of another player on the floor when Central was playing offense on that side, particularly the way his arms were flailing all over.  Surprised that he was able to get away with it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 11, 2010, 11:31:04 AM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with a mid-season report card on the Loras Duhawks.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=269445
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 13, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
Dubuque up 34-32 at the half over Luther in Decorah. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 13, 2010, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 13, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
Dubuque up 34-32 at the half over Luther in Decorah. 
Central up 55-44 over Cornell.  The feeds have gone out twice.   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 13, 2010, 10:37:48 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 13, 2010, 10:26:51 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 13, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
Dubuque up 34-32 at the half over Luther in Decorah. 
Central up 55-44 over Cornell.  The feeds have gone out twice.   ???

Dubuque pulls away over the last 10 minutes of the game.  72-60 Dubuque over Luther.

Luther website looked fine...other than the camera operator forgot to move the camera for a couple of minutes twice during the second half.  Otherwise, no complaints. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 13, 2010, 10:42:57 PM
Central tries to give the game away, but comes away with a win after missing a bunch of free throws in the last 2 minutes. 

Cornell, good game.  Please get new announcers.  They were pretty sad. 

Congratulations to Dubuque and Central.  We get Luther on Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 14, 2010, 09:28:48 AM
Congratulations to Central for moving into first place in the conference!  Start believing in yourselves and maybe you can finish there.  They certainly have the senior leadership and talent to get the job done.  I don't know if it is a matter of handling the pressure that comes with being successful or lack of faith in themselves, but they struggle at times that they should not.  It would be really nice to see them get what they deserve for being the group of players to turn things around at Central, and that is a conference championship.  Good luck guys!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 15, 2010, 03:55:43 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 14, 2010, 09:28:48 AM
Congratulations to Central for moving into first place in the conference!  Start believing in yourselves and maybe you can finish there.  They certainly have the senior leadership and talent to get the job done.  I don't know if it is a matter of handling the pressure that comes with being successful or lack of faith in themselves, but they struggle at times that they should not.  It would be really nice to see them get what they deserve for being the group of players to turn things around at Central, and that is a conference championship.  Good luck guys!

The Dutch have planted themselves firmly in the driver's seat.  I am rooting for my Ram's to run them off the road.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 16, 2010, 10:05:26 AM
Coe @ Simpson -Big battle in Indianola today! But I'm taking the home team- Coe has played alot better as of late, but still can't get their field goal percentage over 45%, and will not do that today as Dunleavy has big day.

Cornell @ Loras- Loras has struggled defensively, and will continue to do that today against an experienced Cornell group. Cornell by 8 on the road.

Luther @ Central- I like the Norse, and think Central will struggle to score but Central has too many scorers- It will come down to which post players can stay out of foul trouble and Central's depth gets them a win by 8

Buena Vista @ Wartburg- BV has had its trouble with the Knights in recent meetings but the Knights have been up and down. If Wartburg shoots well, BV could be in trouble. I think the tide will turn in Waverly and BV will shoot well and get a win by 5.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 16, 2010, 01:13:34 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on January 15, 2010, 03:55:43 PM
The Dutch have planted themselves firmly in the driver's seat.  I am rooting for my Ram's to run them off the road.   ;)
Between the men and the women, Central has the conference top and bottom covered.  It is good to see at least one of the teams making progress.  I think the women have some potential for improvement, they just haven't shown it yet.   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 18, 2010, 09:30:32 AM
The Norse played a scrappy game against the Dutch and hung around much longer than was comfortable.  Sadly, the Luther bus apparently broke down on the way to Central and the games got started late.  I went in time to see only the men's game and had to sit through the torture of the second half of the women's game.  They may have been playing other teams well, but they looked like a last place team against Luther.  It was just not their night and sloppy passing killed them.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 18, 2010, 06:53:43 PM
Dubuque letting the Cornell game slip away from them at Dubuque a few weeks ago might come back to haunt them.  The Spartans have talent to stick with the top teams in the conference, you just don't know how things will go from night to night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 19, 2010, 10:13:46 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 18, 2010, 06:53:43 PM
Dubuque letting the Cornell game slip away from them at Dubuque a few weeks ago might come back to haunt them.  The Spartans have talent to stick with the top teams in the conference, you just don't know how things will go from night to night. 
Central nearly gave the Cornell game away when playing there, turning over the ball 3 times and missing something like 4 free throws after building an 11 point lead with only 2 minutes to play.  I keep trying to decide if Cornell is that good or if they have just gotten lucky a lot.  I guess I have to go with them being good, otherwise I would have to admit that the Central football team of 3 years ago was just lucky.   ;)

Congratulations to Loren Liming for a well deserved conference player of the week.  He has really been a force this year under the basket for Central and while Ley gets lots of points and recognition, Liming is the more consistent shooter.  Then again, he does a better job of actually looking where he is shooting.    ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 19, 2010, 12:49:46 PM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with a short write up of the Loras victory @ Coe and the Dubuque victory over BVU.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=270275

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 19, 2010, 05:19:53 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 19, 2010, 10:13:46 AM
I keep trying to decide if Cornell is that good or if they have just gotten lucky a lot.

They're pretty good...the experience of last year pays off in making breaks when they've needed them.  I can see that they believe they'll find a way to get it done.  They have a certain self-confidence that you get from building on success.  I think you'll recognize this trait when you watch Dutch football.

I honestly believe that the Rams are better than I thought they would be when I heard they lost Riley Larson at the beginning of the year.  With him and his size to go along with Handke, they would be very formidable and I think a legit top 20-25 team.   As it stands, they managed to get some votes.  Beating Loras @ Loras and handling a tough Wartburg team is a good pair of wins.  The Rams play several more tough roadies @ BV, @ Central, @ Wartburg, and @ Luther.

Rams haven't won @ BV in a long while.  A win there would show this team has the stuff to win the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 19, 2010, 05:42:55 PM
At this time last year you had a lot of posters on here laughing at the idea of Cornell being a title contender in this conference.  You don't seem to hear any of that now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 20, 2010, 10:42:53 AM
Quote from: Purple Heys on January 19, 2010, 05:19:53 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 19, 2010, 10:13:46 AM
I keep trying to decide if Cornell is that good or if they have just gotten lucky a lot.

They're pretty good...the experience of last year pays off in making breaks when they've needed them.  I can see that they believe they'll find a way to get it done.  They have a certain self-confidence that you get from building on success.  I think you'll recognize this trait when you watch Dutch football.

I honestly believe that the Rams are better than I thought they would be when I heard they lost Riley Larson at the beginning of the year.  With him and his size to go along with Handke, they would be very formidable and I think a legit top 20-25 team.   As it stands, they managed to get some votes.  Beating Loras @ Loras and handling a tough Wartburg team is a good pair of wins.  The Rams play several more tough roadies @ BV, @ Central, @ Wartburg, and @ Luther.

Rams haven't won @ BV in a long while.  A win there would show this team has the stuff to win the IIAC.
I know all about that confidence level in finding a way to win, it was still worries me about the Dutch men's team.  I really believe they have the players and ability to beat any team in the conference this year.  I'm not sure they have the confidence to do it.  It has been improving as their record improves, but I think that and BV's belief in themselves that had them losing a lead and the game at BV.  I want this team to instill that belief in the rest of the team this year because so many great players graduate this year.  The ones that come back will have to be able to play with confidence to help offset the graduation losses. 

I would like to have seen Central play some tougher non-conference games to get them ready for the IIAC, but this group of guys has helped turn things around for the Dutch and I give them big props for doing so.  They are in charge of their own destiny, a conference championship is within the realm of possibility if they start believing in themselves as apparently Cornell's team does. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 20, 2010, 01:15:18 PM
Central's games with Loras tonight are postponed to tomorrow night.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 20, 2010, 01:51:52 PM
Congratulations to Central on getting one vote in this week's top 25 poll.  Only 624 more and we'll be tied with the leaders.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on January 20, 2010, 06:30:31 PM
I'm disappointed in Wartburg basketball.  I can't put my finger on the problem, but things have changed since the move to the "palace".  Maybe the players and coaches have become soft now that they have a nice place to call home.  In old Knights Gymnasium the Wartburg teams would play with an attitude we no longer see in Waverly.  If things don't shape up I'll suggest we rent the horse auction barn and play the games there.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 21, 2010, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: warthog on January 20, 2010, 06:30:31 PM
I'm disappointed in Wartburg basketball.  I can't put my finger on the problem, but things have changed since the move to the "palace".  Maybe the players and coaches have become soft now that they have a nice place to call home.  In old Knights Gymnasium the Wartburg teams would play with an attitude we no longer see in Waverly.  If things don't shape up I'll suggest we rent the horse auction barn and play the games there.

Buzz definately had his players play with an attitude back in the day.  Lot's of elbows and hip checks...and even tripping if the refs weren't looking ;D

I'm not sure refs let you play like that anymore.  Then again, in those days of playing in the old barn, with sold out crowds on friday and saturday nights, I suspect you could intimidate refs just as much as the visiting team.  Something that doesn't happen in the "palace" these days.  It's just too nice. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 21, 2010, 09:31:06 AM
Quote from: warthog on January 20, 2010, 06:30:31 PM
I'm disappointed in Wartburg basketball.  I can't put my finger on the problem, but things have changed since the move to the "palace".  Maybe the players and coaches have become soft now that they have a nice place to call home.  In old Knights Gymnasium the Wartburg teams would play with an attitude we no longer see in Waverly.  If things don't shape up I'll suggest we rent the horse auction barn and play the games there.
I would like to suggest that you move to indoor palace football.   :D ;D ;D

When they moved to the palace, did they bring along the plaque with the quote from Vern Den Herder with it? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 21, 2010, 10:37:31 PM
Dubuque up 18 early at Simpson.  Then hangs on for a 4 point road victory.  83-79. 

The Spartans move to 5-3 in conference play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 21, 2010, 10:40:42 PM
BV manages to hang on against Cornell and win by 3.  Good thing because the Dutch are going down in flames.  That one vote in the rankings must have been as much of a hex as being ranked first.   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 21, 2010, 10:49:14 PM
Loras video wasn't working so I didn't get to see any of the game, but I watched live stats through the first half and Central was up by 2 at the half.  What kind of melt down did they have that when I came back to catch some second half stats, 6 minutes into the second half we were down by 17?  What happened!!!  I was right to be worried about this one. 

We are currently down by 10 with 38 seconds left.  I had hoped that maybe the team finally started to gel, but they sure had some kind of breakdown tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 22, 2010, 07:57:55 AM
Former UD player Michael Okpalaeze apparently is playing for a club in Qatar. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OVECt-HsWA8

I'm curious as to how much money one could make there.  On the one hand there is a lot of oil money there.  On the other hand, it looks like no one was in attendance at the game they show highlights from. 

How many other former IIAC players are playing basketball overseas?  I thought Central had that big guy playing in Germany a year or two ago. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 22, 2010, 11:04:35 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 21, 2010, 09:29:11 AM
Quote from: warthog on January 20, 2010, 06:30:31 PM
I'm disappointed in Wartburg basketball.  I can't put my finger on the problem, but things have changed since the move to the "palace".  Maybe the players and coaches have become soft now that they have a nice place to call home.  In old Knights Gymnasium the Wartburg teams would play with an attitude we no longer see in Waverly.  If things don't shape up I'll suggest we rent the horse auction barn and play the games there.

Buzz definately had his players play with an attitude back in the day.  Lot's of elbows and hip checks...and even tripping if the refs weren't looking ;D

I'm not sure refs let you play like that anymore.  Then again, in those days of playing in the old barn, with sold out crowds on friday and saturday nights, I suspect you could intimidate refs just as much as the visiting team.  Something that doesn't happen in the "palace" these days.  It's just too nice. 

The student attendance last nights game  against Luther was the best so far this year and at times really got into the game. The second half defense against BV and Luther the scrappiness was there. More trapping and full court pressing. Hopefully the amount of students @ games continues to grow. There were about 50 LC students with  "Wuck Fartburg" shirts.

Remember the kids that are seniors never got into the habit of going to games as FRESHMEN when the HOME games were @ the West Gym @ UNI.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 23, 2010, 10:13:55 PM
Congratulations to the Dutch for getting back on track at Simpson today.  It was not as easy as when they played in Pella, but I have a feeling that is because I wasn't there.   ;) Good luck to the Duhawks, may you please knock off a top team for the second time in 3 days.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 23, 2010, 10:18:05 PM
Wish those Cornell guys would quit knocking the plug on the video cast out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 23, 2010, 11:53:23 PM
Dubuque wins at home over Coe 60-55.  Dubuque moves to 6-3 in conference play.  Most games have seemed to be close calls for Dubuque this year.  

For some reason no video or audio tonight.  Not sure why.  

Current standings...

Central  7-2  14-4
Dubuque 6-3 13-5
Cornell  6-3  12-6
Loras  6-3  11-7
Buena Vista 6-3  10-8 
Wartburg 5-4  11-7  
Luther  2-6  8-8  
Simpson 1-8  4-14
Coe   1-8  3-15

And upcoming games...

Jan. 25 Luther @ Bethany Lutheran
Jan. 27 Buena Vista @ Central
Jan. 27 Dubuque @ Wartburg
Jan. 27 Luther @ Coe
Jan. 27 Simpson @ Cornell

Loras gets a mid-week break.

Looks like the top 6 could finish about anywhere amongst themselves.  Luther, Simpson, and Coe I am afraid won't be making the conference tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 24, 2010, 12:19:26 AM
Cornell loses again this time at home wrapping up a tough week for the Rams! What a week for the DuHawks! They got their defense figured out and got two big wins against top two teams in league. BV gets a big win at home, in a game I thought would go the other way. Central pulls one off and with the win takes the lead in the conference. Have no doubt the Dutch will be ready for the Beavers Wednesday night in Pella!


Comment on Wartburg basketball and its fans- Ever since the new arena- it hasn't been the same- Also Wartburg basketball hasn't been the same in regards to winning. Loras has seen somewhat of a change in that also, going to a bigger arena which takes away the crowd and fan atmosphere.

From what I gather BV's students usually always turn out for conference games and make the game fun. Coe has also been great in the past!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 24, 2010, 10:32:36 AM
Congratulations to Central on taking over sole possession of first place.  It has been a long time coming and this year's group of seniors get a lot of credit for making it happen.  Now, make sure you are ready for BV at home on Wednesday.  None of the players on this BV team have won in Pella, make sure it stays that way.  You came close to beating them on their own floor this year, I know you can do it on yours.  Let the group battling at second place duke it out, control your destiny!

It was nice to see the Dutch play a good game as a team yesterday, some nice balance with everyone doing their part and no one player having to take it all on themselves.  Well done.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: zander on January 24, 2010, 01:23:39 PM
what happened to the Freshman  guard from Wisconsin Loras was so high on? They have 2 on the roster. 1 has played 1 game? maybe he's the one and got injured?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 24, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
UD men's bball is in the rarifield atmosphere ... at least for a few days.  ::)

GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 24, 2010, 10:58:53 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 24, 2010, 10:32:36 AM
Now, make sure you are ready for BV at home on Wednesday.  None of the players on this BV team have won in Pella, make sure it stays that way. 

Didn't BV win last year at Central? Prior to that Central has had their number at their place. It will be interesting to see what team shows up. BV is coming off two big wins at home, but also has given Coe their only conference win playing on the road. Central meanwhile lost at Loras last week and pulled one out at Simpson.

Time will tell!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 25, 2010, 10:01:25 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 24, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
UD men's bball is in the rarifield atmosphere ... at least for a few days.  ::)

GO SPARTANS!

Geez ... I can't even spell rarefied!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 25, 2010, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 25, 2010, 10:01:25 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 24, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
UD men's bball is in the rarifield atmosphere ... at least for a few days.  ::)

GO SPARTANS!

Geez ... I can't even spell rarefied!

I could go a lot of different directions with this.  Like...

You have a UD education...you aren't expected to spell correctly

or...

When reading from your notes during a sermon, the congregation can't see if your notes are spelled correctly.

And no, I have not checked to see if my post is spelled correctly or if my grammar is proper.   ;D ;D ;D

As for your UD comments.  While I was at UD, the conference title came down to UD or Wartburg every year.  Alas, that has now been quite a few years ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 25, 2010, 02:24:37 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on January 24, 2010, 10:58:53 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 24, 2010, 10:32:36 AM
Now, make sure you are ready for BV at home on Wednesday.  None of the players on this BV team have won in Pella, make sure it stays that way. 

Didn't BV win last year at Central? Prior to that Central has had their number at their place. It will be interesting to see what team shows up. BV is coming off two big wins at home, but also has given Coe their only conference win playing on the road. Central meanwhile lost at Loras last week and pulled one out at Simpson.

Time will tell!

Oh shoot, must have had my blinders on as they did indeed beat us at home last year.  Well, time to change that back to the gains we had made. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 25, 2010, 09:29:47 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 25, 2010, 11:12:39 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 25, 2010, 10:01:25 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 24, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
UD men's bball is in the rarifield atmosphere ... at least for a few days.  ::)

GO SPARTANS!

Geez ... I can't even spell rarefied!

I could go a lot of different directions with this.  Like...

You have a UD education...you aren't expected to spell correctly

or...

When reading from your notes during a sermon, the congregation can't see if your notes are spelled correctly.

And no, I have not checked to see if my post is spelled correctly or if my grammar is proper.   ;D ;D ;D

As for your UD comments.  While I was at UD, the conference title came down to UD or Wartburg every year.  Alas, that has now been quite a few years ;)

When I was a student at UD, we weren't much better in bball than in football.  The bball coach believed in tough defense ... which we had ... which meant we lost many games when the opponents scored about 50 points.

In the late 60s when I was chaplain there,  Jon Davison was coach then and things were much  better.  The IIAC title often (at least as I remember) was a dog-fight between UD, Central, and Wartburg.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 25, 2010, 09:39:33 PM
DBQ1965, my wife is already talking smack about beating me again once you start up your march madness pool this year :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 26, 2010, 11:08:41 AM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with a nice article regarding the five IIAC teams seperated by just one game with seven to go.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=271058

Another article from the paper about UD point guard Taylor Blum.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=271058

I will say it again.  The Telegraph-Herald does a great job of covering local small college sports, as well as keeping tabs on local kids that have taken their game to other parts of the country.  Well done, TH. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 27, 2010, 11:28:35 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 25, 2010, 10:01:25 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on January 24, 2010, 03:46:49 PM
UD men's bball is in the rarifield atmosphere ... at least for a few days.  ::)

GO SPARTANS!

Geez ... I can't even spell rarefied!

You were educationized at UD.    :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 27, 2010, 04:05:33 PM
Who does anyone have for tonight?

Buena Vista at Central - The Beavers have struggled in Pella and on the road in general this year.  Should be a shootout.

Dubuque at Wartburg - Blum lit up the Kohawks late on Saturday.  I think he does it all night in Waverly.

Luther at Coe - Two of the bottom three teams going at it.  Kohawks are in serious trouble if they lose tonight.

Simpson at Cornell - This one could get ugly.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 27, 2010, 05:37:55 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on January 27, 2010, 04:05:33 PM
Who does anyone have for tonight?

Buena Vista at Central - The Beavers have struggled in Pella and on the road in general this year.  Should be a shootout.

Dubuque at Wartburg - Blum lit up the Kohawks late on Saturday.  I think he does it all night in Waverly.

Luther at Coe - Two of the bottom three teams going at it.  Kohawks are in serious trouble if they lose tonight.

Simpson at Cornell - This one could get ugly.

Those predictions sound about right to me. 

For my prediction...I predict I will crack open a beer and listen to the 2nd half of the UD/Wartburg womens game while my kids play Wii and my wife escapes upstairs to read a book and get some peace and quiet.  After I finally convince my kids to go upstairs to bed about 8pm I will listen to the UD/Wartburg mens game in relative peace. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 27, 2010, 10:59:17 PM
Congratulations to the Dutch on a great win over BV in Pella tonight.  They came out really nervous and just a bit off on the shooting, but they put it together for a real nice win tonight and a better hold on first place.  Awesome game by Mark Holan, better give him his Wheaties more often as he was on fire from 3 point land tonight.  Way to go red.  Tonight you did us all proud.  Better yet, it was before a full house for a week night game.  Good to see the students turn out in full force and cheer on the team, even if that was what probably threw them off in the beginning.  Not sure they were used to having so many people there cheering for them.  Hope they all turn out on Saturday for Wartburg.

Enjoy the win guys, you did great!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on January 27, 2010, 11:57:06 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on January 27, 2010, 04:05:33 PM
Who does anyone have for tonight?

Luther at Coe - Two of the bottom three teams going at it.  Kohawks are in serious trouble if they lose tonight.

Seriously serious trouble.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 28, 2010, 02:11:21 PM
Quote from: coocooforcoekohawk on January 27, 2010, 11:57:06 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on January 27, 2010, 04:05:33 PM
Who does anyone have for tonight?

Luther at Coe - Two of the bottom three teams going at it.  Kohawks are in serious trouble if they lose tonight.

Seriously serious trouble.

Trouble, oh we got trouble,
Right here in River City!
With a capital "T"
That rhymes with "C"
And that stands for Coe.

Paraphrased from The Music Man ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 29, 2010, 10:46:22 AM
I'm hoping that Wartburg has trouble, right here in Tulip City! 
It starts with "T" and that ryhmes with "C"
and that stands for CENTRAL.

Go Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 29, 2010, 11:30:25 PM
Here's what I've got for Saturday action...

Buena Vista at Luther - This is gonna get ugly and ugly fast.  Am I correct that BV has no road IIAC wins in 2010?

Simpson at Loras - See above about a blowout.

Cornell at Coe - I really wish I wasn't saying this, but again, see above.

Wartburg at Central - By far should be the best game of the day, but I see the Dutch pulling this one out.



Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 30, 2010, 10:18:40 AM
Here's what I've got for Saturday action...

Buena Vista at Luther - I'll take BV, but not by much! They beat Loras on the road earlier in the year, but Luther's slow down tempo will bring them trouble and BV wins by 5.

Simpson at Loras - Got to take the home team, but Simpson is scrappy and battles and will make Loras work for the game.

Cornell at Coe - Coe has no answer for Cornell's inside presence or their guards, and it could be a long night for the KoKoNuts!

Wartburg at Central - Game of the week and upset of the week! Central is still flying high about beating BV at home and feeling good about themselves. Meanwhile Wartburg comes in and shoots well  to win and makes the IIAC conference race that much better!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 30, 2010, 10:24:07 AM
With everybody beating each other up every night on the court.  We'll only see 1 IIAC team in the tourney this year.  4 conference losses might win you the title...then you have to figure out a way to win the tourney which is anyones to win this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 30, 2010, 10:38:51 AM
It's all about the defense. In games where they are really aggressive on the that end of the the court the offense takes care of itself. The 2nd half  against BV @ Wartburg was as good as I've seen all year.

Not sure what's the deal with this team in road games this , so I think the Dutch will win a close one, but am HOPING I'm wrong.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 30, 2010, 07:38:36 PM
Good game by the Knights in Pella, but congratulations to the Dutch on another key victory!  That was two very tough teams this week and the Dutch did what they had to do to win.  It was a difficult shooting day for Central and when you can get a win in spite of an off day, it feels great.  I checked the scores of the other games at the half and was hopeful that all the teams leading at half would win and that, gulp, Simpson would even win, but only Central could hang on to their half time lead and even that had to go to OT.  Way to go, Dutch.  Long road games next week, take care of business guys.  It's been a long time coming and it would be great to see this year's seniors take home a championship.  I know I have said before, but it is worth saying again, these guys have really been the ones to turn around Central's IIAC standings and, with so many seniors, it would be great to finish on top. 

The Dutch will have a lot of shoes to fill next year.  It would be a great time for seniors to look at Central as a school at or near the top of the conference with some good opportunities for game time as a young player next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 01, 2010, 10:55:41 AM
Big game coming up against Dubuque on Wednesday night.  It was surprisingly easy in Pella when the two met earlier in the year, something tells me it won't be that easy again, though I can dream.   ;)

Would be nice to see Mark Holan get player of the week recognition.  He came up big in two huge games for the Dutch this week with six 3 pointers against BV and 4 more against Wartburg.  He really stepped up his game this week.  Cooper and Liming also stepped up their games, but Holan probably made the biggest difference, at least against BV. 

Hope the Dutch gaurds get out of their cold shooting blues.  The conference race it too tight to be able to shoot like we did Saturday and come out on top very often.  Sadly, the one shot we hit was when we tipped in a basket for WB trying to get the rebound!  Wouldn't have needed OT if we had not been scoring for them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 02, 2010, 07:23:49 PM
See if I do picks earlier this week if more people will join in.  Here goes:

Central at Dubuque - Should be a high scoring game.  Dutch are on a roll right now and I'm not sure the Spartans have the butter to slow this roll down.

Coe at Loras - The Kohawks played the best on Wednesday night since they beat BV.  Still don't think that is enough to beat the Duhawks.

Cornell at Wartburg - Should be another amazing game.  Rams didn't look that hot on Wednesday and the Knights need a win.

Luther at Simpson - The battle for the last team to not make the playoffs.  Go with Simpson since it's on their home turf.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 02, 2010, 09:48:10 PM
I'll go with home cooking wednesday night

Dubuque plays better at home and beats the Dutch

Loras beats a just not very good this year Coe team

Wartburg plays well and upsets Cornell

Simpson wins just because they are playing at home and I am listening to Kohawk Krazy ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2010, 10:03:42 AM
Dubuque plays better at home and almost beats the Dutch

Loras beats a struggling Coe team

Cornell  uses their belief that they will always win to upset Wartburg.  Wartburg is upset not because they are the better team, but because they are having a recurring nightmare where they were picked as a conference preseason favorite and again Central has, at least for now, surprised people by moving into the top spot.  Dejavu!  I hope the conference coaches pick Wartburg to finish first in baseball.  Wrestling is coming along, but the conference is just too tough.  Baseball would be okay to continue this new pattern.   :D

Simpson wins just because.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2010, 10:17:16 AM
Congratulations to Central's Loren Liming on conference player of the week.  I can't argue with the selection, he had a couple of really nice games last week.  At the same time, I would like to give credit to Mark Holan and Zach Cooper for having outstanding games as well.  Liming is very consistent and very deserving, Holan and Cooper are not the big scorers for the team, but they both really stepped up big last week.  Too bad they couldn't all be recognized. 

Hope last week was a big confidence booster for the Dutch.  I would like to see them finish strong.  I don't want to see them get tripped up by a game they should be able to win.  They need to step it up for every game to stay right where they are, which is a very nice place to be.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2010, 06:04:12 PM
Will I see you online tonight Doolittle?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2010, 06:33:28 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 03, 2010, 06:04:12 PM
Will I see you online tonight Doolittle?

Yep, probably get the womens game going about half time and then be on through the mens game.  Looking forward to this.  I know the UD site will have audio...there is a possibility they will have video as well.  Video is hit or miss with them, you never know when they might do it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2010, 08:30:34 PM
So what is the deal with UD video?  Turned in at half time of women's game, can get live audio, can see some video, but only if I want to watch from the start.  I can't get it to the live point.  Trust me, I don't really want to see the women's game, but I'm hoping for the men's.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2010, 09:00:35 PM
Okay, Doolittle, I got the men's video, but you have to sit down, you're blocking the view!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2010, 09:09:06 PM
I'll have to get the video on, it wasn't working when I first looked and then my wife spent the last hour on the computer talking to a friend of hers.

Hmm, I have it on but it's very spotty.

I wonder if I turn off the audio if the video will then work better?

I actually see a number of people wearing red in the stands!

And this game is getting out of hand early.  Central rolling >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2010, 09:35:38 PM
Dubuque started out in a 19-5 hole to Central but were able to close the gap and are down at half time 34-27 to the Dutch.

A Dubuque man will try to set a Guinness book of world records mark next week by seeing if he can make more than 6 half court baskets in a 1 minute span.  He was practicing tonight at half time and made 7, but that won't count since next week is the official date he set for trying for the record.  It was fun to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2010, 09:59:00 PM
And just like that Dubuque is up 1.  45-44 5 minutes into the 2nd half.  

Central up 1. 67-66 with 2:27 left in the game.  

Central up 69-67 with 26.0 seconds left.  Time out on the court.  

Central up 73-72 with 8.6 seconds left.  Dubuque with another free throw to go.  Time out on the court. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2010, 10:37:03 PM
Come on Dutch, don't blow this.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2010, 10:40:47 PM
Every time I watch a UD game on their webcast the visiting team hits a basket at the buzzer to win >:(

I am happy with the fight UD showed.  Central jumped out to a 19-5 lead early in the game.  Hard to get a win when you spot a good team like Central with that.  Dubuque is as good as any team in the league...tough losses to Central and Cornell.  Hopefully they can make some noise in the conference tourney.  Tough loss tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2010, 10:42:02 PM
Great game by Dubuque.  Lucky win for the Dutch.  Doesn't get much closer than that, huh, Doolittle?  Well, I guess it could have gone 3 OT and ended on a field goal bouncing off the bars and being good.   ;)

Sorry.  But just an awesome game for the Spartans.  Way to go Justin Madsen!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2010, 10:43:55 PM
You are a bad bad man Klompen :P

Good showing by the Central faithfull, They probably had 50-60 fans in the stands at Dubuque tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 04, 2010, 10:57:52 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 03, 2010, 10:43:55 PM
You are a bad bad man Klompen :P

Good showing by the Central faithfull, They probably had 50-60 fans in the stands at Dubuque tonight.
I assure you, I am not a bad, bad man, but I am a loyal Dutch fan.  I am only bad in that I remind you of some not so pleasant memories.   ;)

As to the fans, we do have very loyal parents, and it is amazing what becoming a winning team can do for a fan base.  Just think what the numbers might have been if the women were actually winning. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2010, 06:18:37 PM
Dubuque up @ Cornell 55-43 with 8:47 left in the 2nd half.  

Cornell announcers surprised UD is playing well against their Rams.  

Dubuque wins in Mt. Vernon 67-64
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 06, 2010, 07:09:27 PM
Good finish to the game by Dubuque.  I caught the last few minutes after the Central game.  Cornell is a force to be reckoned with at home in the last minute or two.  They just don't give up, but UD kept their composure.  Good job.

Nice win by the Dutch in Decorah today.  Hopefully BV will play tough at home and beat Loras to give Central a 2 game lead in the conference before we meet up with Loras on Wednesday night.  Nice to see the Dutch confidence level gaining a little bit.  The conference is tough and playing on the road is always a challenge, so to win these two road games this week is a nice boost. 

Well, time to switch over to the BV site and cheer on the Beavers. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 06, 2010, 08:48:39 PM
Yes!   ;D ;  ;D ;D ;D

Thanks BV for giving Central a two game lead in the conference! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 07, 2010, 10:10:20 AM
Three conference games left for the Dutch with a 2 game lead in the conference.  First up, Loras at home.  Loras has been a tough nut to crack for the Dutch and they won't want to lose two in a row while still in contention for the conference.  One win and the Dutch have at least a tie.  Looks like a lot will be on the line for both teams Wednesday night.  Glad the game is in Pella!  Central has had a good crowd for the last two home games and hopefully Wednesday will be more of the same. 

Then they have a week off until they play Coe at home.  With Coe's record, you would think this would be easy, but they played us tough on our floor.  Now that Central is gaining confidence, it would be great to see them play them really well and win.

Then we get Cornell at home to finish the regular season.  That was a tough game up there, but home court should help.  Would love to see the Dutch make a statement in finishing out the year before heading into the conference tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 09, 2010, 02:21:10 PM
Good luck to the Dutch tomorrow as the battle for first place continues with Loras coming to town.  It is a game that I think they can win, but they will have to play well and as a team.  It seems like they did that really well against BV and Wartburg, not sure I saw it as much with Dubuque and Luther, then again, it could be harder to see on a dinky computer screen.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 09, 2010, 02:58:10 PM
Central has my permission to put a monkey stomp on those Loras Duhawks ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 10, 2010, 12:48:53 PM
Here are my picks for the night:

Buena Vista at Simpson - Beavers get a big win here.

Coe at Wartburg - Would like to see the Kohawks get a win in their last four games.  This is probably one of only two they have a remote shot at, but still don't see it.

Loras at Central - Dutch looking to get closer to that IIAC title.

Luther at Dubuque - Dubuque trying to lock up a postseason spot.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 10, 2010, 03:47:20 PM
My picks...

Buena Vista @ Simpson - Simpson goes down and they go down hard

Coe @ Wartburg  - Wartburg wins at home...but the W still doesn't have the atmoshere of the old barn

Loras @ Central - Central wins...but Loras takes the Dutch to triple OT.  Just to give Klompen a hard time!!!

Luther @ Dubuque - because UD is the better team, plus I want UD win, and this way I have the same picks at Kohawk Krazy ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 10, 2010, 04:32:28 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 09, 2010, 02:58:10 PM
Central has my permission to put a monkey stomp on those Loras Duhawks ;)
Oh, that would be fun.  I hope Holan is hitting on the 3's again tonight.  Still think he deserves a shot at player of the week, so I guess he has to do better than 6 threes in a game.   :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 10, 2010, 04:40:20 PM
My picks for tonight...

Buena Vista at Simpson - Beavers dump their accumulated snow on Simpson to quiet the storm  ;)

Coe at Wartburg - Coe, just because I like picking against Wartburg!   :o

Loras at Central - Dutch beat the Duhawks for the first time in something like 17 meetings.  We are over due for a win and if it doesn't come now with 5 senior starters...  :'(

Luther at Dubuque - Dubuque gets this one easy.  Blum will be on fire and shooting from 3 pt land, he falls down a lot just because it takes everything in that short little body to get the ball to travel that far, so he gets some free throws because the refs think he must have been pushed.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 10, 2010, 05:13:42 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 10, 2010, 03:47:20 PM
Loras @ Central - Central wins...but Loras takes the Dutch to triple OT.  Just to give Klompen a hard time!!!
I deserve that.   :D  If that's what it takes to win, I guess I will take it, but my heart might give out. :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 10, 2010, 11:21:06 PM
WAY TO GO DUTCH!!!!!!!!!!!

There was a chill coming off the Central shooters in the first half, but Loren Liming single handedly kept Central in the game with 15 first half points.  Loras had a hot hand early and fortunately, it thawed the Dutch chill enough to have the Dutch play a better second half and win the game.  Nice to have the conference commissioner there to award the championship trophy after the game. 

It has been a long time coming and this is a very deserving group of young men.  Congratulations to them!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 11, 2010, 09:33:12 AM
Thanks Simpson!  Now the Dutch can really spend just a little time on their bye weekend savoring the outright conference championship before they have to get back at it with Coe and Cornell still up before the conference tourney. 

I echo the coach when saying who would have thought we could win on 0-13 shooting from 3 pt land playing Loras?  Not me, but that just shows that maybe the Dutch have gained the confidence to know they are capable of winning.  We missed a lot of give-me shots early on too, so I know the desire to win was getting to them mentally, but they got after it the second half. 

Enjoy it for a day or so, then get ready to finish the regular season strong and go for your next goal of winning the conference tourney.  Thanks, Coach Boschee for turning things around.  I think COY should be wrapped up with a big red ribbon this year coming from a tie for 5th place last year to first place, possibly by a 3 game lead.  Great job!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 11, 2010, 11:53:50 AM
I will have give a call this weekend to my 93 year old great uncle that played basketball for Central in the 1930's.  He will love to hear that his old team won the conference title.  He likes to remind me that Central was known as a basketball school back in the 1930's and that it was later that the football team became the power they are now. 

Once again, the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald has an IIAC article posted.  This time about Taylor Blum scoring his 1,000th point last week.  http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=272810
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 11, 2010, 12:38:38 PM
These next two and a half weeks are going to be interesting in the IIAC.  We know who will be in the conference tournament, and who the regular season champ is, but that's about it.  With the other 5 teams tied in the win column, the tournament seedings will take a while to sort out, and may not mean anything when its all said and done.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 11, 2010, 04:03:40 PM
Okay, this winning the conference championship has not happened at Central since the conference tournement came about.  Does this mean that Central will get home court for any games they play? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 11, 2010, 04:33:44 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 11, 2010, 04:03:40 PM
Okay, this winning the conference championship has not happened at Central since the conference tournement came about.  Does this mean that Central will get home court for any games they play? 

Yes.  All games are played at the higher seed.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 12, 2010, 09:14:10 AM
Thanks, KK.  Now another question Central fans have not had reason to think about:  Is the playoff contender the team that has the highest finish in some combination of regular season and conference tourney, or the winner of the conference tourney? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 12, 2010, 10:22:31 AM
Conference tourney winner gets the auto NCAA invitation.  Ask BV fans about that from last year.  

Central could go 22-5, win the conference regular season by 4 games, and then lose in the conference tourney final by 1 point in triple OT.  And if they lose in the conference tourney there would be a very good chance they wouldn't make the NCAA tourney.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 12, 2010, 12:46:11 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 12, 2010, 10:22:31 AM
Conference tourney winner gets the auto NCAA invitation.  Ask BV fans about that from last year.  

Central could go 22-5, win the conference regular season by 4 games, and then lose in the conference tourney final by 1 point in triple OT.  And if they lose in the conference tourney there would be a very good chance they wouldn't make the NCAA tourney.  
Yeah, that's what I thought you might say.  Guess if we are going to lose again, it better happen only in the next 2 games, then win, win, win.  At least we should get to play at home, that would help, the home court and the crowd have made for friendly confines for the Dutch this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2010, 09:48:56 AM
Since Kohawk Krazy hasn't started it yet...and I won't be home later...I will start this.

Buena Vista @ Cornell This used to be an easy pick.  Not any more.  Cornell wins at home.  

Dubuque @ Loras  Homer pick...I'm allowed that ;D

Simpson @ Coe Cellar dwellers game...Kohawks find a way to get the win.

Wartburg @ Luther  War of the Lutheran colleges.  Scrappy game that the Knights find a way to win late.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2010, 12:57:47 PM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with a preview of the UD/Loras clash this afternoon. 

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=273118
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 13, 2010, 02:26:46 PM
Buena Vista at Cornell - Beavers aren't happy about their loss on Wednesday...They get the job done today.

Dubuque at Loras - Duhawks take the cross town rivalry

Simpson at Coe - Aren't the two women's teams playing for first place?

Wartburg at Luther - Knights win this one easy.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2010, 05:36:49 PM
Loras up 39-34 at half time
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 13, 2010, 06:19:08 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 13, 2010, 05:36:49 PM
Loras up 39-34 at half time
Loras was ahead of Centra at the half too.  There's hope yet, Doolittle.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2010, 06:38:37 PM
Loras beats Dubuque 87-77

Well played game by both teams.  Was a fun game to watch.

Klompen, the Loras announcers were mentioning that Loras was leading at the half against Central and went on to lose the game so they hoped that would not happen again today...it didn't.  They were decent announcers.  With Taylor Blum of UD being a Dubuque Senior grad they were very complimentary of his game.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldNorse on February 13, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on February 13, 2010, 02:26:46 PM
Buena Vista at Cornell - Beavers aren't happy about their loss on Wednesday...They get the job done today.

Dubuque at Loras - Duhawks take the cross town rivalry

Simpson at Coe - Aren't the two women's teams playing for first place?

Wartburg at Luther - Knights win this one easy.

Sorry Krazy.....Warts lost to Norse by two.  Not surprising at all.  Warts crowd very silent however.  Great turnout  by both fans.  A very good IIAC game regardless of the victor.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 14, 2010, 04:30:50 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 13, 2010, 06:38:37 PM
Klompen, the Loras announcers were mentioning that Loras was leading at the half against Central and went on to lose the game so they hoped that would not happen again today...it didn't.  They were decent announcers.  With Taylor Blum of UD being a Dubuque Senior grad they were very complimentary of his game.   
He's a very good player.  Is he finally a senior?  I don't remember, it just seems like he has been haunting us for years.  I will be glad to see the last of him when that time comes.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 14, 2010, 04:34:25 PM
Quote from: oldNorse on February 13, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on February 13, 2010, 02:26:46 PM
Buena Vista at Cornell - Beavers aren't happy about their loss on Wednesday...They get the job done today.

Dubuque at Loras - Duhawks take the cross town rivalry

Simpson at Coe - Aren't the two women's teams playing for first place?

Wartburg at Luther - Knights win this one easy.

Sorry Krazy.....Warts lost to Norse by two.  Not surprising at all.  Warts crowd very silent however.  Great turnout  by both fans.  A very good IIAC game regardless of the victor.
Wow, from being conference favorite to now being in the position of possibly lowest tourney seed.  Can't decide if I want them to stay there or not, it's hard to beat a team 3 times, but that could be fun. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 14, 2010, 06:13:34 PM
Klompen, Blum is a junior.  Maybe his shaved head has you thinking he is older than he really is ;D

As for the conference tourney.  1st and 2nd place get a 1st round bye.  #6 plays at #3 and #5 plays at #4.  So Central might not have to play Wartburg a 3rd time this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 15, 2010, 09:37:51 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 14, 2010, 06:13:34 PM
Klompen, Blum is a junior.  Maybe his shaved head has you thinking he is older than he really is ;D

As for the conference tourney.  1st and 2nd place get a 1st round bye.  #6 plays at #3 and #5 plays at #4.  So Central might not have to play Wartburg a 3rd time this year. 
I don't think his shaved head has anything to do with it, I just wanted him gone.   :D :D :D  He is a darn good player, though I still get a kick out of the fact that sometimes shooting a 3 will take so much effort that he falls down afterwards.   ;D  Except when we get called for a foul that we didn't do because of it. 

Good to hear that we get a first round bye, just goes to show how little Central fans know about being a #1 seed.  Of course, that just means that our first opponent will be that much better.   :-\  It would be nice to get to be a LOT more familiar with the process.  I'm usually done paying attention to basketball by that point.  Hopefully this will become a new tradition, kind of like football games after Thanksgiving.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 15, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: oldNorse on February 13, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on February 13, 2010, 02:26:46 PM
Buena Vista at Cornell - Beavers aren't happy about their loss on Wednesday...They get the job done today.

Dubuque at Loras - Duhawks take the cross town rivalry

Simpson at Coe - Aren't the two women's teams playing for first place?

Wartburg at Luther - Knights win this one easy.

Sorry Krazy.....Warts lost to Norse by two.  Not surprising at all.  Warts crowd very silent however.  Great turnout  by both fans.  A very good IIAC game regardless of the victor.

Sorry to disagree with an elder but Old N the game on Saturday was flat out ugly on both sides. Wartburg scores 3 points in the final 10 minutes of the first half. They missed a lot of shots in the paint in that stretch. Luther scores 4 points in final 3 minutes and missed 4 free throws in that stretch. 3 of them were 1+1. I thought Wartburg student turn out for home games were small, but even on Wednesday nights WC students out numbered the LC kids in Decorah Saturday. FYI a lot of the Luther blue behind the Wartburg bench were FOR the Knights. A lot of Cresco Cadets shirts, 1/2 of Cresco must have showed up to watch Kelly + Mitchell play.

Wartburg has won 1 conference game on the road this season @ Coe.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldNorse on February 15, 2010, 07:50:36 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 15, 2010, 01:46:54 PM
Quote from: oldNorse on February 13, 2010, 09:18:58 PM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on February 13, 2010, 02:26:46 PM
Buena Vista at Cornell - Beavers aren't happy about their loss on Wednesday...They get the job done today.

Dubuque at Loras - Duhawks take the cross town rivalry

Simpson at Coe - Aren't the two women's teams playing for first place?

Wartburg at Luther - Knights win this one easy.

Sorry Krazy.....Warts lost to Norse by two.  Not surprising at all.  Warts crowd very silent however.  Great turnout  by both fans.  A very good IIAC game regardless of the victor.

Sorry to disagree with an elder but Old N the game on Saturday was flat out ugly on both sides. Wartburg scores 3 points in the final 10 minutes of the first half. They missed a lot of shots in the paint in that stretch. Luther scores 4 points in final 3 minutes and missed 4 free throws in that stretch. 3 of them were 1+1. I thought Wartburg student turn out for home games were small, but even on Wednesday nights WC students out numbered the LC kids in Decorah Saturday. FYI a lot of the Luther blue behind the Wartburg bench were FOR the Knights. A lot of Cresco Cadets shirts, 1/2 of Cresco must have showed up to watch Kelly + Mitchell play.

Wartburg has won 1 conference game on the road this season @ Coe.

I guess I would agree on the ugly part..........but that is what all IIAC BB games have become.  Men's basketball at all levels has become bump and grind rather than finnesse.  Too bad in my opinion.  Wish the refs would call a tighter game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 16, 2010, 12:20:24 PM
Old Norse, I couldn't agree with you more on the change in the game.  There is a lot of serious fouling going on by the old standards that goes uncalled these days.  Sometimes I think they are going to let a player get injured before they start taking control. 

Then again, the officiating really drives me nuts when they call a minor hand check and let other things, much more obvious go.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 16, 2010, 04:20:40 PM
http://www.youtube.com/user/CentralAthletics#p/a/u/0/OuU0-WPVRLM has a great video of Central's men getting the conference championship trophy.  Not a bad crowd for a weeknight game, if you ignore the near empty Loras stands and wait to see them pan to the Central student side.  Guess success brings out the fans.  Must have been a few football players in attendance as they broke out in the school song choras.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 17, 2010, 02:01:27 PM
My pics for tonight...

Central @ Coe  Dutch don't want a tongue lashing from Klompen on here if they play poorly...take care of the Kohawks early

Cornell @ Luther  Luther almost beat Wartburg...this should be a similar type game...Cornell wins it late

Dubuque @ Buena Vista   BV took it to Cornell...get a similar result against my Spartans tonight :'(

Loras @ Wartburg   I just have a hunch
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 17, 2010, 04:34:59 PM
Central  @ Coe  Dutch don't need a tongue lashing on here if they play well

Cornell  @ Luther  Cornell plays very well late and win again

Dubuque @ Buena Vista   BV, the old Dutch coach he ain't what he used to be, ain't what he used to be...  (Dutch in heritage, no connection to Central)

Loras @ Wartburg   I just like picking against Wartburg    ;D
 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 17, 2010, 06:42:56 PM
Hopefully the Knights know what they're playing for tonight and don't piss it down their legs like they did on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 17, 2010, 09:39:38 PM
Dubuque up on BV 49-34 at half time :o

I only got to see the last 5 minutes of the half but apparently the UD men have made a whole mess of 3 point shots. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 17, 2010, 10:39:08 PM
Dubuque beats Buena Vista 84-75

Dubuque sweeps BVU this season and get the Spartans first win in Storm Lake since 1996
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 17, 2010, 10:57:41 PM
Congratulations to Coe on playing a great game.  You won't be down long with a young team like you have.  Coe gave us fits at home and away this year.  I was starting to think the Dutch were going to take me up on that "if you have to lose again this year, do it in the next two games" thing.  Truth is, Coe just played well in taking Liming out of the game for too much of the game.  Nice game by Holan again.  Sure wish these guys weren't all done after this season.

Congratulations to Dubuque on beating BV.  Doolittle, you need to have a little faith.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 18, 2010, 07:30:08 AM
Quote from: Klompen on February 17, 2010, 10:57:41 PM
Congratulations to Dubuque on beating BV.  Doolittle, you need to have a little faith.   ;)

You would think a Dubuque fan, of all people, would have some faith ;D

Dubuque men and women sitting at 9-6 in conference play.  This is a little hard for me to wrap my brain around...but I like it a lot!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 18, 2010, 09:17:25 AM
Doolittle, I know how you feel, I'm still wrapping my head around the Central men's team.  They lived up to what I thought they could do if they really worked at it.   Sadly, the women did too.  :'( :'( :'(

What's up with Wartburg?  Picked to win in football and basketball and look where they ended up.  Funny things happen when the money runs out.   ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 20, 2010, 01:28:53 AM
Picked to finish 1st and they finish 6th in the league, with 2 solid senior starters? Shows that pre-season rankings don't mean anything and shows maybe Wartburg gets too much credit. Why has Timmermans not played well in his career at Wartburg? He was solid at Coe and had a good year stat wise last year if I don't recall. Ever since there new arena, they haven't been the same team. That would have been Steege and Schmidt's senior year, the year BV somehow upset them at home in the conference tournament. Those were the good old Knight days!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2010, 07:45:39 AM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on February 20, 2010, 01:28:53 AM
Picked to finish 1st and they finish 6th in the league, with 2 solid senior starters? Shows that pre-season rankings don't mean anything and shows maybe Wartburg gets too much credit. Why has Timmermans not played well in his career at Wartburg? He was solid at Coe and had a good year stat wise last year if I don't recall. Ever since there new arena, they haven't been the same team. That would have been Steege and Schmidt's senior year, the year BV somehow upset them at home in the conference tournament. Those were the good old Knight days!

Well, to be fair, if Loras hadn't hit a 3 pointer with 1 second left last Wednesday Wartburg would be in a 5 way tie for 2nd place right now.  But yes, the Knights have been far from a title contender this year and even if they had won last Wednesday they would have finished 5 games out of 1st place.  Not really what was expected of them.  Then again, most of us on here were questioning at the beginning on the season how the Knights were picked to be the favorites in the conference when they hadn't really done much the last few years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 20, 2010, 01:23:55 PM
Coe @ Buena Vista -- Buena Vista gets revenge against the KoHawks at home and play well following the loss to Dubuque at home

   
Cornell @ Central-- Cornell comes limping into the game but Central does nothing to prove their the number one team in the league until late and pull out the win by 6.

Luther @ Loras - Loras wins a defensive battle with the Norse and claims the 2 seed in the tournament. A great 2nd half run in the league for the Duhawks.

   
Simpson @ Dubuque- Dubuque finds a way late to beat the young Storm, and Dunleavy plays in his last game ending a great career.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2010, 05:57:18 PM
Simpson up on Dubuque 37-34 at the half.

My daughter tells me that Simpson was up 21-12 early in the half, so I suppose I will be happy with a 3 point deficit now. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2010, 06:58:37 PM
IntramuralChamp made a good call.  Dubuque found a way late to beat the young Storm

71-67 UD wins.  10-6 in conference play.  Very good job men!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2010, 07:29:18 PM
The Iowa Conference website shows the mens standings like this...

y-RV Central 14-2 21-4
x-Buena Vista 10-6 14-11
x-Loras 10-6 15-10
x-Dubuque 10-6 17-8
x-Cornell 9-7 15-10
x-Wartburg 8-8 14-11
Luther 6-10 12-12
Simpson 3-13 6-19
Coe 2-14 4-21

Dubuque beat BVU twice this season and lost to Loras twice this season.  Dubuque has the best overall record of the 3 teams at 10-6.  How do they do the tie breaker?  I can see how Loras would win out over UD.  But I can't see how BVU ends up getting 2nd place? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 20, 2010, 10:13:24 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 20, 2010, 07:45:39 AM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on February 20, 2010, 01:28:53 AM
Picked to finish 1st and they finish 6th in the league, with 2 solid senior starters? Shows that pre-season rankings don't mean anything and shows maybe Wartburg gets too much credit. Why has Timmermans not played well in his career at Wartburg? He was solid at Coe and had a good year stat wise last year if I don't recall. Ever since there new arena, they haven't been the same team. That would have been Steege and Schmidt's senior year, the year BV somehow upset them at home in the conference tournament. Those were the good old Knight days!

Well, to be fair, if Loras hadn't hit a 3 pointer with 1 second left last Wednesday Wartburg would be in a 5 way tie for 2nd place right now.  But yes, the Knights have been far from a title contender this year and even if they had won last Wednesday they would have finished 5 games out of 1st place.  Not really what was expected of them.  Then again, most of us on here were questioning at the beginning on the season how the Knights were picked to be the favorites in the conference when they hadn't really done much the last few years. 
Good point.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 20, 2010, 10:17:01 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 20, 2010, 07:29:18 PM
The Iowa Conference website shows the mens standings like this...

y-RV Central 14-2 21-4
x-Buena Vista 10-6 14-11
x-Loras 10-6 15-10
x-Dubuque 10-6 17-8
x-Cornell 9-7 15-10
x-Wartburg 8-8 14-11
Luther 6-10 12-12
Simpson 3-13 6-19
Coe 2-14 4-21

Dubuque beat BVU twice this season and lost to Loras twice this season.  Dubuque has the best overall record of the 3 teams at 10-6.  How do they do the tie breaker?  I can see how Loras would win out over UD.  But I can't see how BVU ends up getting 2nd place?  
That one is hard to figure out.  I think UD was better then BV, then again, we did lose to BV once.  Could that have played into it?  Who beat the #1 seed?  We also lost to Loras, and they both got seeded higher.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2010, 10:32:07 PM
BVU, Dubuque, and Loras all went 10-6 in conference play.  BVU went 2-0 against Loras.  Loras went 2-0 against Dubuque.  Dubuque went 2-0 against BVU.  So the 3 teams each went 2-2 in their head-to-head matchups.  I suppose the next tie-breaker would be how they did against the 1st place team.  If BVU and Loras each had a win against Central they would then take BVU and their 2 wins against Loras. 

Too bad UD let Central hit a 3 pointer at the buzzer in Dubuque to take a win there.  Oh well, woulda coulda shoulda I suppose. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 21, 2010, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 20, 2010, 10:32:07 PM
Too bad UD let Central hit a 3 pointer at the buzzer in Dubuque to take a win there.  Oh well, woulda coulda shoulda I suppose. 
Wait a minute!  This sounds familiar.  Central and Dubuque battle it out to dead even in Dubuque and Central scores a miraculous 3 points to win and end the game with a victory.  Have I heard that scenario somewhere before??? ;D ;D ;D  Say it isn't so!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 21, 2010, 01:27:58 PM
+1, nicely done
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 21, 2010, 07:11:49 PM
What a regular season in the IIAC! Central wins 21 regular season games, the most since the 1977-1978 season and wins the IIAC title outright! A well deserved title and season, considering this senior class at Central had a record of 12-13 in 2009, 15-9 in 2008, and 11-14 in 2007. We shall see if they can win the automatic bid, because based on Buena Vista not getting in last year, I find it hard they would get an at large.

Buena Vista somehow manages to get 2nd in the league, despite having lost at Coe, Simpson and getting swept by Dubuque. However, a win over Central, sweeps of Loras and Cornell, probably is deserved. Does BV have a run in them like they did in 2006 to get an automatic bid?

Loras reels off 5 conference wins throughout the season to get them from 3-3 to 8-3 and then loses a tough home game to Luther that costs them the 2 seed and a first round bye. They have shown they can beat everyone in the league except Buena Vista, but they may get one more chance with a win over Wartburg Tuesday.

Dubuque may have the best player in the league in Taylor Blum. They have improved every year and if Blum goes off they could make a run and make their first national tournament since ____. If they beat Cornell, the Central match up will be closer then the 25 point beating they got the first time in Pella.

Cornell is only a year removed from winning the conference tournament, however this time they will have to do it on the road.  At one point they were 12-4  having played some easy teams early along with their easy non-conference schedule and ended up 15-10. A tough stretch to end the year having to play the top teams. We will see what Cornell team shows up for the tournament.

Wartburg the conference pick to win the league rounds out the top 6.  In the last 7 games, Wartburg is 3-4. However all four losses have been lost by 2 points each. If they had just won 3 of those games, they could easily have been the 2 seed with 11 wins. If they shoot well, they will be the team to beat.

First Round Picks

Wartburg @ Loras- I will take the Duhawks at home. Having only met 6 days ago, and Wartburg not playing Saturday, makes me want to pick Wartburg, but the home court gets it done Tuesday night in a all out battle.

Cornell @ Dubuque- Cornell is hard to pick because you don't know what team is going to show up. I think their recent struggles will continue and therefore I will go with another home team and pick the Spartans as Blum and Bellaire get it done.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 21, 2010, 10:09:21 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 21, 2010, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 20, 2010, 10:32:07 PM
Too bad UD let Central hit a 3 pointer at the buzzer in Dubuque to take a win there.  Oh well, woulda coulda shoulda I suppose. 
Wait a minute!  This sounds familiar.  Central and Dubuque battle it out to dead even in Dubuque and Central scores a miraculous 3 points to win and end the game with a victory.  Have I heard that scenario somewhere before??? ;D ;D ;D  Say it isn't so!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fjeffpicard.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2008%2F06%2Frim-shot-johnny-utah.jpg&hash=51241847dc0f06727408d615d5212fc9aecff0fb)

Nicely done indeed ;)

Though, when it comes right down to it I would rather lose a close one to you darn Dutch than to lose a football game 86-14 or a basketball game 82-48!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2010, 11:22:38 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 21, 2010, 10:09:21 PMThough, when it comes right down to it I would rather lose a close one to you darn Dutch than to lose a football game 86-14 or a basketball game 82-48!!!
Agreed, and you gave us all we could handle in both games.  UD has been earning respect from a lot of us Dutch fans.  We know we were lucky to leave with a win in both instances.  One of these days we will stop reminding you.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2010, 11:28:33 AM
IC had a nice run down of how things ended up.  As a Central fan, I knew the Dutch were due for a nice year, but then again, I thought we could have done better last year.  It took awhile to really believe and it was clear that towards the end of the season they were starting to believe in themselves.  Not that they blew teams out, but they had the confidence to believe they could win the close ones.  It was nice to end the regular season undefeated at home and with bigger crowds of students.  The BV and WB games the student side was full and cheering loudly.

Good luck to the teams in the conference tourney, best of luck to the Dutch!   :)

To those seniors who played their last games on Saturday, thanks for playing, it isn't easy when you are at the bottom.  Thanks for sticking with it and all the best in the future.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2010, 08:01:22 AM
Big games tonight...both in the city of Dubuque!!!

#6 Wartburg @ #3 Loras 7 p.m.
#5 Cornell @ #4 Dubuque 7 p.m.

Wartburg and Loras I really have no idea.  Loras had no business losing at Luther.  Wartburgs last 4 losses were by a combined 8 points.  But that includes a 2 point loss at home to Loras.  I will take Loras at home.

Dubuque let a sure win slip away at home early in the season against Cornell.  Then won convincingly in Mt. Vernon over the Rams.  I will take Dubuque tonight for a home team sweep. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 23, 2010, 12:10:29 PM
I think there are going to be a lot of happy hometown fans in Dubuque tonight.  I agree with Loras and Dubuque both winning at home.  Not sure I want to play Blum again, but at least if would be in Pella.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2010, 08:38:20 PM
Dubuque up 30-25 at the half over Cornell
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2010, 08:46:32 PM
Loras and Wartburg tied at the half...it's either 27-27 or 37-37  I couldn't hear over my son yelling at the Wii
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 23, 2010, 08:57:04 PM
So do you need a secret decoder ring to see the video broadcast at UD ???  I pull it up, but it looks like the center of a wrestling mat with nothing going on.  What am I doing wrong?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
I just gave up and decided to listen to the audio broadcast of the UD game while watching the womens game.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 23, 2010, 09:09:55 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 23, 2010, 09:02:06 PM
I just gave up and decided to listen to the audio broadcast of the UD game while watching the womens game.


Sounds like a good game, too bad we can't see it.  Did Handke just get hurt?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2010, 09:14:13 PM
They said he rolled an ankle and was taken to the locker room.  Announcer said it looked like Hanke was done for the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 23, 2010, 09:15:08 PM
Is that THE infamous Miles Hooksted that just came in???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2010, 09:21:12 PM
Starts as a freshman on the football team and gets decent minutes off the bench for the basketball team. 

Not too shabby!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 23, 2010, 09:39:21 PM
Was that a miracle 3 point shot???  No, probably not, it was UD that scored!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 23, 2010, 09:44:13 PM
Congratulations to UD, we will see you Thursday night.  Grab some Dutch letters while you are here, you want to have something good.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2010, 09:44:46 PM
Dubuque finally WINS a close game ;)

Blum hits a 3 pointer with 4.9 left in the game and hangs on.  Klompen gets to see Mr. Blum play in Pella one more time this season :P
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 24, 2010, 10:41:04 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 23, 2010, 09:44:46 PM
Dubuque finally WINS a close game ;)

Blum hits a 3 pointer with 4.9 left in the game and hangs on.  Klompen gets to see Mr. Blum play in Pella one more time this season :P
Yippee! ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 24, 2010, 11:18:02 AM
Headline from the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald... "Blum's bomb lifts UD"  Klompen should like that ;)

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=274176

And a quote from recent CoSIDA academic all-district winner Chris Handke of Cornell - "It sucks that it ended that way"  Not an english major  ::)

Hanke rolled an ankle with 12 minutes remaining in the game.  An unfortunate way to end his basketball career.  Though, he does still have a potential future in baseball as well as biochemistry and molecular biology majors to fall back on.  He has a nice future ahead of him.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 24, 2010, 03:09:24 PM
Congrats Knight on getting conf. road win #2 of the season last night.

http://www.go-knights.net/cms/Article.aspx?ID=4128

Now repeat last year and win @ BV  in the semi's.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 25, 2010, 10:01:25 AM
Good luck to the Dutch tonight, keep that perfect record at home this season going.  Shut down Blum and we should be in good shape, where as the Dutch are more balanced this year than any in recent history.  Best season too, keep that balance going.  If they shut down Ley, Liming steps up, they shut down Liming, Holan shoots the lights out from 3 point land, they stop that, Cooper has a big night, who will get the best looks tonight?  That is the person that needs to step up. 

Go Dutch!  Dutch letters for all the UD fans tonight, just stop at the bakery and tell them to bill it to Doolittle.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2010, 07:05:01 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 25, 2010, 10:01:25 AM
Good luck to the Dutch tonight, keep that perfect record at home this season going.  Shut down Blum and we should be in good shape, where as the Dutch are more balanced this year than any in recent history.  Best season too, keep that balance going.  If they shut down Ley, Liming steps up, they shut down Liming, Holan shoots the lights out from 3 point land, they stop that, Cooper has a big night, who will get the best looks tonight?  That is the person that needs to step up. 

Go Dutch!  Dutch letters for all the UD fans tonight, just stop at the bakery and tell them to bill it to Doolittle.   :D

That will be fun explaining that to Mrs. Doolittle after she asks me why we have a bill from a bakery in Pella for $684.12  :o

Can I bill it all back to Klompen if Dubuque comes away with a win tonight???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2010, 08:01:21 PM
Central website has video of the Central/UD game...but the audio is of the Pella High School game from Oscaloosa ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 25, 2010, 08:11:51 PM
"Consistently Inconsistent"  BV up 17-12. BV announcers description.


Doolittle, who is winning the HS game?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2010, 08:26:17 PM
I turned the sound off, when I turned it back on for a minute the announcers never gave a score.  They did sound upset at a charging call...the kid DID NOT have his feet set ;D

21-21 in the Central/UD game
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2010, 08:39:53 PM
Good lord, the game was tied at 21.  I play 1 game of Wii bowling and it's now half time with Central up 35-24 :o

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 25, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
37-31 BV @ half.

Eslick 0-4 from 3 for W'burg.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2010, 09:35:37 PM
Central running away with it now.  Up 22 with about 1 1/2 minutes left.  78-56
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on February 25, 2010, 09:40:00 PM
Final from Storm Lake: BV 78, Wartburg 72.  Knights were able to tie it up with about three minutes to play, but BV finishes the game on an 8-2 run.  McCarville with 23 for Wartburg.  Mitch Eslick scored 15, despite going 1-8 from behind the arc.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 25, 2010, 10:34:57 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 25, 2010, 08:01:21 PM
Central website has video of the Central/UD game...but the audio is of the Pella High School game from Oscaloosa ::)
A Doolittle Double Dose of Dutch!  All the best from Pella to Doolittle and family.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 25, 2010, 10:43:00 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 25, 2010, 08:39:53 PM
Good lord, the game was tied at 21.  I play 1 game of Wii bowling and it's now half time with Central up 35-24 :o
That's what happens to teams when Central gets off the scoring glacier.  Good defense by Justin Madsen on Blum tonight.  He wasn't getting many looks while Madsen was on him.  When he took a break though, the taller Mark Holan had to bend over so far to guard him that after the 3 pt shot block attempt, he was bent over so far that gravity took him down onto Blum for a 4 pt play opportunity.    :-\

Great defense by UD in the first half and ice cold shooting by both teams early.  Dubuque gave us a good game, but the Dutch confidence level continues to rise.  Great job by Holan to lead all scorers, including Blum.  Well, Doolittle, we didn't leave it to a last second score this time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 26, 2010, 12:28:03 AM
Pre-game party at Klompens house before the game Saturday? Can we get the dutch to party a little bit, or is that forbidden in gods country? I hope Central can pack the gym and make it exciting for both teams. Buena Vista has been known to travel well, we all know this isn't there first time. Should be a fun night in Pella!

Central appears to be in same position BV was in last year,  they need to win the automatic bid to get in.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 26, 2010, 09:37:38 AM
I would plan on a packed house Saturday night, lots of cheering on the Dutch going on this year.  Amazing what winning the most games in school history and being undefeated at home can do for bringing out the fans.  Congratulations to the Dutch on setting the most wins record last night, just keep it climbing and set it out of reach.  What this year's senior class has accomplished is amazing.  I thought that we were doomed when we had a similar senior dominated team the year Brett De Hoogh, Zac Clark, Clint Driftmier and crew graduated.  But in came this class and they turned everything around.  To go from tied for 5th in the conference last year to outright champs by a couple of games is fantastic.  The seniors have set such a good example for the underclassmen in work ethic and confidence building.  Keep it up guys.  This is already one for the record books, keep it going and keep living your dreams.

I have to work Saturday, but I will get to the game, but my partying will have to be celebrating the Dutch victory. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 27, 2010, 09:38:51 AM
Great day for basketball in the state of Iowa! Lots of teams clinching state tournament berths and then the show down at Central tonight for the automatic berth to the National Tournament. Central I think has the better overall team, they are at home, they by record and history should win. (Buena Vista has won there like one time in 5 years?) I was reading a preview and this is Coach Vanhaaften's 9 conference final in 14 years? Pretty amazing--Also  BV has lost some bad games on the road this season, but I think BV will find a way to get it done. All the pressure is on Central, being at home, being the favorite, knowing they might not make the NCAA if they don't win.

Call me crazy-- BV 71 Central 67.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 27, 2010, 12:14:47 PM
BVU will be motivated with the memory of last year in their heads.  Of course, Central will be aware of what happened last year to BVU as well.  Pella should be rocking and I think we will see a very good game from both teams today.  Home cooking wins and Central earns a trip to the NCAA playoffs.  Or at least that is my opinion...I am wrong more than I am right. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 27, 2010, 10:42:02 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on February 27, 2010, 09:38:51 AM
I think BV will find a way to get it done. All the pressure is on Central, being at home, being the favorite, knowing they might not make the NCAA if they don't win.

Call me crazy-- BV 71 Central 67.
Happy to oblige!  You're crazy!   :D :D :D

Congratulations to BV on their 2nd place finish. 

Fantastic game start to finish by the Dutch.  This one was NEVER close.  Central came out like a house of fire and could have named their triple digit score.  Great class by the coach to shut it down.  Of course, I don't know if it is worse to get beat with the other team going over 100 or to get beat knowing that the coach of the other team put the brakes on.  The house was rocking, in at least 3/4's of the gym.  Went out at the half and I don't think the BV fans knew what hit them.  Not bad for a team that played the cream puffs in non-conference. 

Congratulations to the Dutch.  Talk about peaking at the right time!  Wow!  Total domination tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 28, 2010, 12:23:53 PM
Congrats to da Dutch for winning the Conference regular season and the tournament.

Good luck in the NCAA's.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 28, 2010, 05:39:52 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 28, 2010, 12:23:53 PM
Congrats to da Dutch for winning the Conference regular season and the tournament.

Good luck in the NCAA's.
Thanks, AN.  It has been so long since Central had a winning basketball program.  We all knew that this year was our best shot, but we have thought that before.  Nice to see all the hard work this team has done pay off.  D3Hoops has projected Central will have to play at #15 Carthage.  I'm hoping they are wrong.  Can't figure out why in a field of 61 the #25 would have to play #15, but then again, look what they did to us in football.  It would have been nice to have one more home game, but then again, playing on the road keeps are perfect record at home in place.  I would take Carthage at Central if we had to, but with playoff nerves and being on the road, I would rather not have to start with the #15 team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2010, 07:47:04 PM
So if ESPN ever talked D3 Hoops they would mention Central @ Carthage is just another case of East Coast bias...or at least 7 hours east of Pella bias ;)

Congrats to the Dutch.  Impressive to win the conference by so many games and then pretty much breeze through the tourney.  No doubt this year who is the best team in the conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 28, 2010, 09:59:51 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 28, 2010, 05:39:52 PMNice to see all the hard work this team has done pay off.  D3Hoops has projected Central will have to play at #15 Carthage.  I'm hoping they are wrong.  Can't figure out why in a field of 61 the #25 would have to play #15, but then again, look what they did to us in football.

The d3hoops.com poll is not affiliated with the NCAA and has nothing at all to do with how the bracket is put together.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 28, 2010, 11:43:49 PM
Crazy I am! I will not lie, I am surprised by how well Central played! I thought being in a big game at home, would cause them to be a little tight. However, any time you get up 10-0 to start, it kind of eases the nerves. A butt kicking by the home team and a very deserving ncaa trip. They clearly were dominate, any time you win the league by 4 games, you clearly are the best! Good job Dutch!

As for projections, it doesn't matter! We'll find out tomorrow for sure who they will play! Someone hinted at having a home game, that will not be the case, being 4th in the west region. You never know with the NCAA and where you will end up however, they always say they are trying to limit travel for teams-- According to the projections it looks like they would be the 3rd seed in that pod of 4?--  Last year Wash U had to beat Lawerence, Whitewater, Wheaton, and St. Thomas just to get to final four. I hope for Central's sake they aren't thrown into a loaded bracket cause I think they have the guys to make a run depending on match ups! A deep run would help the reputation of the IIAC and it would be someone other then Buena Vista doing it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 01, 2010, 10:50:20 AM
An early look at how IWU and Central (Ia) matchup...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/notes10.htm

The Dutch look experienced (5 senior starters), balanced, and big in the post.

On paper, this looks like a very even pairing.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 02, 2010, 09:36:45 AM
Best of luck to the Dutch in the playoffs.  I shouldn't have complained about #15 Carthage, now we are in the regional with #1 Washington.  Sometimes you just need to learn when to shut up!!! :o :o :o

The game with Illinois Wesleyan looks to be a good one.  Looking at their roster, we match up well on the starting 5, but their roster has some tall guys!  Good thing we just got done proving we could do it against a 7 footer.  I hope the Dutch are true to their word and are only concerned with the next game.  Don't look ahead, concentrate on the game at hand so that you can get to the next one. 

Central can play with anyone if they play up to their capabilities.  They have been gaining confidence all season long and hope that can keep it going.  If they come out ready, like they did for BV, they have a good shot at winning. 

I hope they get lots of students signed up for the bus trip or that students take advantage of the good weather and do their own road trip.  The fan base is great and adds confidence for the team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 03, 2010, 04:05:45 PM
Congratulations to Central's Miguel Ley for being conference MVP and to Mike Boschee as Coach of the Year.  Also, belated congratulations on player of the week to Mark Holan.  Very well deserved by all!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 04, 2010, 07:45:39 AM
All Conference Teams
Most Valuable Player - Miguel Ley, Sr., G, Central College
Coach of the Year - Mike Boschee, Central College

MVP                  School    Year    Hometown/High School
Miguel Ley $ ^    Central    Sr.    San Antonio, Texas/Judson
               
First Team          School    Year    Hometown/High School
Doug Bissen    BV            So.    Earling, Iowa/Harlan Community
Loren Liming @    Central    Sr.    Ames, Iowa/Gilbert
Chris Handke &    Cornell    Sr.    Bellevue, Iowa/Bellevue
Matt Lewis    Cornell    Sr.    Augusta, Ill./Southeastern
Taylor Blum % ^    Dubuque    Jr.    Dubuque, Iowa/Senior
Tim Dunlavy # ^    Simpson    Sr.    Bettendorf, Iowa/Bettendorf
Kelly McCarville &    Wartburg    Sr.    Cresco, Iowa/Crestwood
               
Second Team    School    Year    Hometown/High School
Troy Ticknor    Buena Vista    Fr.    Adel, Iowa/ADM
Mark Holan    Central    Sr.    Fontanelle, Iowa/Nodaway Valley
J. Ryan Lott    Cornell    Jr.    Overland Park, Kan./Blue Valley Northwest
Josh Bellaire @    Dubuque    Sr.    New Orleans, La./Warren Easton
Tim Kelly            Loras    So.    Cedar Falls, Iowa/Waterloo Columbus
Connor Mooney    Loras    Fr.    Hawthorn Woods, Ill./Lake Zurich
Jordan Sathoff    Wartburg    So.    Packwood, Iowa/Pekin
               
Honorable Mention    School    Year    Hometown/High School
Wes Nordquist    Buena Vista    Fr.    Adel, Iowa/ADM
Mike Gleason    Loras    Jr.    Cary, Ill./Cary-Grove
Dane Larson    Luther    So.    Waverly, Iowa/Waverly-Shell Rock
Andrew Dau    Simpson    Sr.    Primghar, Iowa/South O'Brien
               
^ - 2008-09 First Team All-Conference
& - 2008-09 Second Team All-Conference
@ - 2008-09 Honorable Mention All-Conference
# - 2007-08 First Team All-Conference
$ - 2007-08 Second Team All-Conference
% - 2007-08 Honorable Mention All-Conference
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 05, 2010, 08:46:42 PM
Sincere appreciation to the 5 Central seniors that just ended their career tonight.  Miguel Ley, Loren Liming, Mark Holan, Justin Madsen and Zach Cooper showed phenomenal leadership all year long.  You brought Central back to the top, setting a school record for most wins in a season along the way.  Thank you, thank you, thank you!  You are all winners on and off the court.  You gave it your all tonight and almost got there.  Hold your heads up, you have a ton to be proud of.

Thanks also to Coach Boschee and the rest of the Central coaching staff.  Glad to have you.  Now get out there and recruit!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 06, 2010, 10:44:41 PM
Congrats Central on a great season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 08, 2010, 09:44:27 AM
Time to get ready for another round of ESPN's Tournament Challenge.

I have set up IIAC 2010  as our group in the contest and you can get entered now and then post your picks once the pairings are announced on Sunday evening.  The password you will need to join is IIACForever.

Just go to http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/en/frontpage and get started on your entry.

I also will post this over on the IIAC football chat board.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 14, 2010, 07:36:54 PM
Okay ... the pairings are out and its time to play ESPN's Tournament Challenge.  The IIAC 2010 group is set up and 3 folk are on board so far:  DBQ 1965, mrs. doolittle and, of course, doolittle.

To join, just click on the link below ... sign in or if you haven't jointed before, register yourself.  The password you need to join the group is IIACForever. 

http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/en/frontpage

You have until the first tip-off on Thursday, so don't take too long.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 17, 2010, 07:58:39 AM
A little over 12 hours remain to sign up for the IIAC group on Tournament Challenge ... so far, only 4 have entered the contest.

Go to this link:  http://games.espn.go.com/tcmen/en/frontpage

Sign in (or register if you haven't played before) and join the IIAC 2010 group.  The password is IIACForever.

Where is everbody?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 17, 2010, 03:53:51 PM
Congratulations to Coach Boschee for being named D3 Hoops West region COY.  Also to Miguel Ley, a first team west region selection and Loren Liming who deserved higher than 3rd team in the west region.  Of course, I am a little biased.   ;)

The Dutch didn't make a deep run in the playoffs, but they lost by the same 5 point margin that IWU beat Wash U and Carthage by to get to the top 8.  That's saying something. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 06, 2010, 08:07:11 AM
Thank you to DBQ1965 for putting together the Tourney Challenge for our group.  Duke winning  the tourney let my wife take the title in our group...relegating me to third place.  But...if I squinted at the TV...I could almost picture seeing UD out there in those blue and white uniforms with D and U and then some other letters after them ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on April 06, 2010, 11:21:19 AM
Thanks d-dog.  And congratulations to Mrs. d-dog for picking Duke and winning it all.  TheOne89.1 finished a close second and the rest of us ... oh well.  Better luck next year.

Now what will you have to do for her since she won it all?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on April 08, 2010, 02:01:47 PM
Posted this on the CCIW board, but will post here too...

Quote from: Titan Q on April 07, 2010, 08:08:14 AM
Links to the IBCA all-state teams...

1A/2A team (http://members.ibcaillinois.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31:ibca-1a2a-boys-all-state-teams&catid=3:general-news)

3A/4A team (http://members.ibcaillinois.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33:ibca-3a4a-boys-all-state-teams&catid=3:general-news)


Here are kids from the IBCA teams heading to Division III schools that I'm aware of...I'm sure I'm missing a bunch.  Please post if you know any and I'll keep the list updated...


* Victor Davis (Galesburg), 3A/4A 3rd team - Illinois Wesleyan

* Chris Klimek (Fremd), 3A/4A 4th team - Washington U.

* Joe LaTulip (Prospect), 3A/4A Special Mention - Illinois Wesleyan

* Tyler Mitchell (Ziegler-Royalton), 1A/2A Honorable Mention - Greenville

* Scott Suchy (Genoa-Kingston), 1A/2A 3rd team - Carthage

* Brady Zimmer (Delavan), 1A/2A 1st team - Illinois Wesleyan


In response to this post, I received an e-mail stating that 1A/2A 1st teamer Taylor Baxter (Fieldcrest H.S.) is leaning towards Division III Loras.  Let me first stress that I cannot confirm this.  But if true, this would be big for Loras, as Baxter has not only been recruited extremely hard by a lot of CCIW schools, but he has had several NAIA, D2, and even low D1 teams talking to him.  This from January...

Baxter is on the radar screen of a number of schools at varying levels. "I'm still talking to North Dakota State, Northern Arizona, Tennessee-Martin, Eastern Illinois, and Evansville as of late. Division two schools that I'm still talking to are Lewis, Southwest Minnesota State, Ashland, and Illinois-Springfield. Division three schools are all over the place right now, I really like Elmhurst and Loras, and Augustana is still in the mix," said Baxter.

http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/taylorbaxter2.html


We'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 12, 2010, 07:52:07 AM
Simpson coach Wilson resigns, assistant coach Zander takes over...

http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2009-10/0409simpson_wilson.html

Apparently no truth to the rumors that seeing nearby Central win a conference title and the taunts coming from Klompen drove the Storm coach away ;)

The new coach coming in had coached at Des Moines Hoover.  Curious to see if this will help in recruiting Des Moines kids to the program. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 26, 2010, 12:36:56 PM
IIAC RECRUITING NEWS

Ricky Clopton of Batavia, Il HS will play basketball for Loras.

After seeing him play several times, I'd say hIs primaty assets are that he is tough inside player at 6'5". Finishes well from close in, and can also step out and hit the occasional 3. Tenacious rebounder.
He began starting as a soph at which time he was something of a "wild child." He has matured a great deal since then.
Two areas he needs to work on to reach his full potential are his shot selection and his decision making. He has a tendency to let go ill advised mid to long range shots where he is either severely off balance, or closely defended, or both. He will also  often try to drive through traffic when a path to the basket is not really there, and when cut off, will throw a poor outlet pass, which is often picked off. This is especially true when he attempts a drive from the corner along the left side baseline, or from the foul line extended on the left side.  

Ricky Clopton
SCHOOL Batavia
SPORT Basketball
YEAR Senior
ACHIEVEMENTS A dream for Batavia head coach Jim Roberts and a nightmare for everyone else, Clopton brought fiery intensity and immense skill to the floor every night. A three-year starter for the Bulldogs, Clopton's size (6-foot-5) was that of a forward but his dexterity at both ends of the floor was more that of a hybrid guard-forward-center. He had range (24 3-pointers made) and toughness around the hoop (136 free throws, more than any other Bulldog attempted). He was also the team's second-leading rebounder (7.1 per game), assist man (2.1 per game) and shot blocker (34). Oh, and he happened to lead Batavia in scoring at 18.2 points per contest, nearly a third of Batavia's points per game.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dansand on April 26, 2010, 01:04:53 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on April 08, 2010, 02:01:47 PM

In response to this post, I received an e-mail stating that 1A/2A 1st teamer Taylor Baxter (Fieldcrest H.S.) is leaning towards Division III Loras.  Let me first stress that I cannot confirm this.  But if true, this would be big for Loras, as Baxter has not only been recruited extremely hard by a lot of CCIW schools, but he has had several NAIA, D2, and even low D1 teams talking to him.  This from January...

Baxter is on the radar screen of a number of schools at varying levels. "I'm still talking to North Dakota State, Northern Arizona, Tennessee-Martin, Eastern Illinois, and Evansville as of late. Division two schools that I'm still talking to are Lewis, Southwest Minnesota State, Ashland, and Illinois-Springfield. Division three schools are all over the place right now, I really like Elmhurst and Loras, and Augustana is still in the mix," said Baxter.

http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/taylorbaxter2.html


We'll see.

Baxter commits to play for North Dakota State:

http://www.newstrib.com/articles/sports/todays-n-t-sports/default.asp?Article=20549&aname=Baxter+commits+to+play+for+North%E2%80%88Dakota+State
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on April 26, 2010, 06:46:33 PM
Quote from: AndOne on April 26, 2010, 12:36:56 PM
IIAC RECRUITING NEWS

Ricky Clopton of Batavia, Il HS will play basketball for Loras.

After seeing him play several times, I'd say hIs primaty assets are that he is tough inside player at 6'5". Finishes well from close in, and can also step out and hit the occasional 3. Tenacious rebounder.
He began starting as a soph at which time he was something of a "wild child." He has matured a great deal since then.
Two areas he needs to work on to reach his full potential are his shot selection and his decision making. He has a tendency to let go ill advised mid to long range shots where he is either severely off balance, or closely defended, or both. He will also  often try to drive through traffic when a path to the basket is not really there, and when cut off, will throw a poor outlet pass, which is often picked off. This is especially true when he attempts a drive from the corner along the left side baseline, or from the foul line extended on the left side.  

Ricky Clopton
SCHOOL Batavia
SPORT Basketball
YEAR Senior
ACHIEVEMENTS A dream for Batavia head coach Jim Roberts and a nightmare for everyone else, Clopton brought fiery intensity and immense skill to the floor every night. A three-year starter for the Bulldogs, Clopton's size (6-foot-5) was that of a forward but his dexterity at both ends of the floor was more that of a hybrid guard-forward-center. He had range (24 3-pointers made) and toughness around the hoop (136 free throws, more than any other Bulldog attempted). He was also the team's second-leading rebounder (7.1 per game), assist man (2.1 per game) and shot blocker (34). Oh, and he happened to lead Batavia in scoring at 18.2 points per contest, nearly a third of Batavia's points per game.

Clopton made this all-area team...

http://basketball.dailyherald.com/story/?id=363452
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 27, 2010, 09:07:51 AM
Wartburg Asst. Oliver Drake hired as head coach @ Ashford University in Clinton.

http://www.ashfordathletics.com/article/636.php

Good Luck Oliver.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 03, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
CORNELL RECRUITING NEWS

I have rec'd word that IL Basketball Coaches Association Class 2 All-Stater Reggie Greenwood of Timothy Christian HS will attend Cornell, IA College.

Reggie is a 5'8" 145 lb point guard who averaged 15.4 ppg, 5 apg, 4 rpg, and 3.5 spg.

Word is Reggie was strongly considering North Central of the CCIW, but Cornell, a late entry in his recruitment, threw a ton of money at him. An offer he couldn't refuse.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 03, 2010, 10:15:23 PM
Quote from: AndOne on May 03, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
CORNELL RECRUITING NEWS

I have rec'd word that IL Basketball Coaches Association Class 2 All-Stater Reggie Greenwood of Timothy Christian HS will attend Cornell, IA College.

Reggie is a 5'8" 145 lb point guard who averaged 15.4 ppg, 5 apg, 4 rpg, and 3.5 spg.

Word is Reggie was strongly considering North Central of the CCIW, but Cornell, a late entry in his recruitment, threw a ton of money at him. An offer he couldn't refuse.

Cornell...the new Wartburg ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on May 16, 2010, 05:16:37 PM
Former Loras head coach Chad Walthall has been named head coach @ D2 Minnesota- Moorhead.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on May 17, 2010, 01:30:42 PM
Wartburg names Jason Steege ('05) to top asst. coach postion

http://www.go-knights.net/cms/Article.aspx?ID=4386

"Steege, who had been the Knights' junior varsity coach and a varsity assistant over the past four years, concluded his playing career as a three-time first team all-Iowa Conference honoree and the college's third all-time leading scorer with 1,450 points. He also holds the career three-point field goal record (218)."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 19, 2010, 04:30:27 PM
Once again the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with some D3 news.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=283202

UD picks up an area recruit in Scales Mounds Joe Kelly. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 19, 2010, 02:38:07 PM
Looks like the insurance industry (and his kids) just lost Mike DeGeorge (ex-Cornell Coach) back to basketball...

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/5/18/MBBALL_0518101216.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 19, 2010, 02:39:48 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on July 20, 2009, 06:00:57 PM
Cornell announces that Mike DeGeorge has resigned.

Citing family/personal reasons, he is the father of several very young kids and wants to be a bigger part of their growing up than a hardworking, recruiting coach can be.   A very tough choice for an up and comer.

Best of luck to you, Coach Mike...Cornell's loss is your family's gain...and I can't find anything really to complain about...we were blessed to have him work his tail off for us while he was here.

What a wonderful measure of love you have shown your wife and kids.

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/mens-sports/mens-basketball/news/07-20-09.shtml



Ummmm....

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2010/5/18/MBBALL_0518101216.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on July 19, 2010, 02:40:24 PM
Dude didn't even last a year.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 19, 2010, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on July 19, 2010, 02:40:24 PM
Dude didn't even last a year.   :D

Maybe his wife and kids had become used to him not being around and didn't like dad hanging out and asking them who wanted to take him on in Wii ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on July 20, 2010, 10:45:23 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 19, 2010, 07:59:54 PM
Quote from: Purple Heys on July 19, 2010, 02:40:24 PM
Dude didn't even last a year.   :D

Maybe his wife and kids had become used to him not being around and didn't like dad hanging out and asking them who wanted to take him on in Wii ;D

I'm guessing, and it certainly appears this way, that he really was just trying to get out of Cornell.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoop_junkie on August 05, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
I believe the reason he left Cornell was because they cut his pay by %20. I heard this from a very reliable source. I also heard that Coach Brase was given the same pay cut. This obviously had nothing to do with performance but rather a tight budget at Cornell. I'm not sure if other coaches at Cornell were forced to take a pay cut but my guess is that they all were affected. If my source is correct, this is definitely uncharted territory, to cut a coach's pay after he takes a team to the NCAA tournament. Easy to see how that would make someone bitter enough to leave. Rhodes is a very good D3 school and they play in arguably the best D3 conference in the country. That is definitely an upgrade for DeGeorge.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 05, 2010, 10:55:14 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on August 05, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
I believe the reason he left Cornell was because they cut his pay by %20. I heard this from a very reliable source. I also heard that Coach Brase was given the same pay cut. This obviously had nothing to do with performance but rather a tight budget at Cornell. I'm not sure if other coaches at Cornell were forced to take a pay cut but my guess is that they all were affected. If my source is correct, this is definitely uncharted territory, to cut a coach's pay after he takes a team to the NCAA tournament. Easy to see how that would make someone bitter enough to leave. Rhodes is a very good D3 school and they play in arguably the best D3 conference in the country. That is definitely an upgrade for DeGeorge.

Interesting in that Cornell has actually seen an increase in annual giving over the past 4 years.  So if they are cutting pay in the athletic department it would be interesting to see if they are cutting pay across the board.  If Cornell isn't doing that then that shows you how little they care about their athletic department.  I would also think that would signal they are intending to move away from the IIAC. 

Annual giving at Cornell over the past 4 years.

2006 - 5,511,896 (7th in IIAC)
2007 - 7,789,761 (5th in IIAC)
2008 - 9,190,240 (5th in IIAC)
2009 - 9,810,205 (2nd in IIAC)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hoop_junkie on August 05, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
I think Cornell would prefer a move to the Midwest Conference which would open the door for Nebraska Wesleyan (Lincoln, NE) to join the Iowa Conference. Not sure if we will see this happen anytime soon but it's definitely been talked about.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on August 06, 2010, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on August 05, 2010, 09:38:21 PMRhodes is a very good D3 school and they play in arguably the best D3 conference in the country.

The best D3 conference in the country at what? You can't be talking about men's basketball, because the SCAC isn't even a power conference on the hardwood. It's strictly mid-tier.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 07, 2010, 09:32:25 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on August 05, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
I think Cornell would prefer a move to the Midwest Conference which would open the door for Nebraska Wesleyan (Lincoln, NE) to join the Iowa Conference. Not sure if we will see this happen anytime soon but it's definitely been talked about.

I would like Cornell to stay in the IIAC.  That said, if they don't really care to be here then they should leave for somewhere else.  I do not want to see Nebraska Wesleyan joine the IIAC.  I'd rather an Iowa school...like Iowa Wesleyan come back to the IIAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2010, 10:54:54 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on August 06, 2010, 11:16:25 AM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on August 05, 2010, 09:38:21 PMRhodes is a very good D3 school and they play in arguably the best D3 conference in the country.

The best D3 conference in the country at what? You can't be talking about men's basketball, because the SCAC isn't even a power conference on the hardwood. It's strictly mid-tier.

But from the IIAC point of view, that is a step up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on August 11, 2010, 12:59:42 PM
Wartburg to play UNI in an exhibition game 11/2/10.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on August 11, 2010, 11:52:30 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on August 11, 2010, 12:59:42 PM
Wartburg to play UNI in an exhibition game 11/2/10.

Coe plays them exactly 2 weeks later in a regular season contest.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on August 12, 2010, 01:49:21 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on August 05, 2010, 09:38:21 PM
I believe the reason he left Cornell was because they cut his pay by %20. I heard this from a very reliable source. I also heard that Coach Brase was given the same pay cut. This obviously had nothing to do with performance but rather a tight budget at Cornell. I'm not sure if other coaches at Cornell were forced to take a pay cut but my guess is that they all were affected. If my source is correct, this is definitely uncharted territory, to cut a coach's pay after he takes a team to the NCAA tournament. Easy to see how that would make someone bitter enough to leave. Rhodes is a very good D3 school and they play in arguably the best D3 conference in the country. That is definitely an upgrade for DeGeorge.

You could argue until you're blue in the face and you would still lose that argument.
Ever hear of the WIAC, the CCIW, or even the NESCAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on August 12, 2010, 02:09:58 PM
Quote from: hoop_junkie on August 05, 2010, 11:01:54 PM
I think Cornell would prefer a move to the Midwest Conference which would open the door for Nebraska Wesleyan (Lincoln, NE) to join the Iowa Conference. Not sure if we will see this happen anytime soon but it's definitely been talked about.

As a former NWU player, I would like to see Wesleyan in an NCAA DIII conference rather than in the NAIA GPAC where they currently reside. I think one of NWU's problems in recent years is competing against schools able to give athletic $$ where NWU, the only NCAA school in a NAIA conference, is unable to do so. However, in light of today's economic environment, wherein most schools are looking to cut rather than increase costs, I think its unlikely that they will move to a conference that would involve a greater cost of transportation to away games, among other issues. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on August 19, 2010, 07:39:11 AM
Wartburg 2010-11 Schedule is released
http://www.go-knights.net/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

After @ UNI (Exhibition), 6 straight home games.The last week of the season ends with 2 games in Dbq.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on September 19, 2010, 09:23:18 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on May 03, 2010, 10:15:23 PM
Quote from: AndOne on May 03, 2010, 08:01:47 PM
CORNELL RECRUITING NEWS

Word is Reggie was strongly considering North Central of the CCIW, but Cornell, a late entry in his recruitment, threw a ton of money at him. An offer he couldn't refuse.

Cornell...the new Wartburg ;D ;D ;D
Cornell throws a ton of money at everyone, athlete or not.  How else do you get kids to take one class at a time and come from primarily out-of-state to a tiny town?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 19, 2010, 09:28:06 PM
If a kid is taking one class at a time, I strongly doubt that he's eligible to play sports.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on September 19, 2010, 09:33:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 19, 2010, 09:28:06 PM
If a kid is taking one class at a time, I strongly doubt that he's eligible to play sports.
Everyone at Cornell College takes one class at a time.  The class only lasts a few weeks, then you go on to another class for a few weeks, etc.  In the end, you take the same number of credits as at other schools, only you do it one class at a time.  Intense concentration on one class, longer class lengths, I assume and lots of cramming, regurgitating on a test, then forgetting in favor of the next class.   ;)  I'm sure Heys can give you a better run down of how it really works, but that would be how I did it if it was one class at a time.  Good news, you get a prof you don't like, you don't have to put up with him/her for more than a few short weeks.  Bad news, you get maximum exposure to said prof during those weeks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on September 19, 2010, 09:36:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on September 19, 2010, 09:28:06 PM
If a kid is taking one class at a time, I strongly doubt that he's eligible to play sports.
http://www.cornellcollege.edu/academics/ocaat/index.shtml tells about the one class at a time program at Cornell. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 19, 2010, 10:29:20 PM
Hmmm, didn't know that about Cornell's block-plan academic calendar. Thanks for sharing that.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Fan20 on September 20, 2010, 01:53:40 PM
Anyone hear what teams will be at Wartburg's Buzz Levick tournament this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on September 27, 2010, 01:19:01 PM
Wartburg pre-season injuries

http://www.wartburgcircuit.org/tabid/289/itemid/1404/Basketball-players-preseason-injuries.aspx

"The men's and women's basketball teams are coming off very successful seasons.  The women went 18-8 overall and the men were 15-12 overall.  Two keys to their success were players Mitchell Murphy and Abbey Hempen.  However, Murphy and Hempen have a crutch going into this season...literally.......Both players tore their ACLs, a major knee ligament.  Hempen's injury occurred in the middle of July and Murphy's was on the first day of open gym at the beginning of September."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on September 27, 2010, 01:27:31 PM
Quote from: D3Fan20 on September 20, 2010, 01:53:40 PM
Anyone hear what teams will be at Wartburg's Buzz Levick tournament this year?

Mt. Mercy, Marian & Maranatha Baptist
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 26, 2010, 11:16:47 PM
UD has their '10-'11 roster posted

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/Basketball.cfm

Klompen will note her favorite player, Taylor Blum, is finally a Senior ;)

Here's hoping he can hit 9-10 thee pointers including one with .7 seconds left in the 2nd half to beat the Dutch later this season :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 01, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
Isn't Blum like 25 years old? A great player none the less. I think Blum will save Klompen the drama and score 25 points before the last 5 minutes of the game and enjoy watching it from the bench as Dubuque beats Central both times this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 03, 2010, 08:07:49 AM
UNI beats Wartburg 67-46

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2010/11/2/MBB_1102105635.aspx

UNI COVERAGE
http://www.unipanthers.com/sports/m-baskbl/recaps/110210aaa.html
(BOX SCORE) http://www.unipanthers.com/sports/m-baskbl/stats/2010-2011/mbbexh1.html

Wartburg will have to be  a grind it out team this year. 2nd yr. Drew Crawford (Linn Mar) has improved since last year, a lot of confidence in his stroke. Freshman Eddie Diemer (NU High) was one of the first off the bench.

UNI will struggle if 3point shots are NOT falling.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 03, 2010, 08:10:00 AM
Wartburg Roster is FINALLY on line

http://www.go-knights.net/roster.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AENeumann Jr on November 03, 2010, 12:51:02 PM
I was very impressed with Wartburg last night. Coming into this season, I knew that Jordan and Cole would be the primary scorers on the team, and with the loss with Murphy at point, and graduation of 5 seniors, I was nervous heading into last night. A stat I know most coaches, especially Coach Peth looks at is rebounding, and Wartburg held the edge over UNI, part of that being because UNI only had 5 turnovers, but still impressive nonetheless. Also, Wartburg won't face guards as quick and athletic as UNI's all season, so some of those turnovers can be contributed to the fact that UNI is a very sound, solid defensive team with great quickness. Kwadzo was very solid last night, showed very good touch from 3.

That being said, UNI has NO post offense. None. O'Rear's only basket was when Jacey fell down and he was wide open in the paint. He is solid in that he battles for offensive boards and sets good, hard screens, but Jake Koch wanted nothing to do with the paint and jacked up a couple terrible threes. If Austin Pehl is going to play solid minutes for UNI, they will struggle. He did not impress me at all, but he has never impressed me, not even in High School. Anthony James is exactly what I thought he was, a decent shooter who is always out to "get his" he shot a contested three in transition last night when UNI had an advantage, but without Ali, there will be some more shots, and he decided he wants them. UNI will be solid though, and were very good on defense (especially in the second half)

Agree with what SR. said, Drew Crawford really looks like he's worked on his game in the summer, looks more in shape, has increased his quickness, and didn't look rattled on the big stage of the McCloud Center (hit his first shot of the game, fresh off the bench). Jordan and Cole will be solid and the Knights should have a fairly good year..
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 05, 2010, 01:51:03 PM
Dubuque takes on Iowa St tonight in an exhibition game.  Story in the Telegraph-Herald.

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=301250

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 06, 2010, 06:37:59 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on October 26, 2010, 11:16:47 PM
UD has their '10-'11 roster posted

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/Basketball.cfm

Klompen will note her favorite player, Taylor Blum, is finally a Senior ;)

Here's hoping he can hit 9-10 thee pointers including one with .7 seconds left in the 2nd half to beat the Dutch later this season :D
Are you kidding me?  He SILL hasn't graduated????  Gosh, it seems like he has been there FOREVER!   ;)  He is a darn fine player, wish he would have come to Central, we could have used him.  Though I still have to chuckle about the fact that he falls down after several deep 3 pt shots because it just takes every bit of his short frame to get the ball to go that far.   ;D  Wish Central had some starters coming back.  All 5 graduated.  

At least now that we have won a conference championship again, it should make recruiting a little easier.  Plus, there are lots of spots up for grabs.  I'm sure last year's subs that didn't graduate will move up, but it would be nice to see some heavy competition for the starting jobs.  With football now over for the Dutch, I am ready for BB to begin.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 06, 2010, 06:39:16 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on November 01, 2010, 09:35:48 PM
Isn't Blum like 25 years old? A great player none the less. I think Blum will save Klompen the drama and score 25 points before the last 5 minutes of the game and enjoy watching it from the bench as Dubuque beats Central both times this year.
Sadly, with 5 new starters for the Dutch, I wouldn't be surprised. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 10, 2010, 10:40:00 AM
Wartburg TV's season preview story

http://www.wartburgcircuit.org/CircuitTV/CircuitTVVideoPlayer/TabId/266/VideoId/247/Mens-Basketball-Preview.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 15, 2010, 02:32:03 PM
Central gets their season underway tonight in Pella.  Looking forward to the game, but I will likely need to spend a lot of time checking the program for all the new numbers and names.  Good luck Dutch!  I don't think anyone expects you to defend your title when the IIAC games start, but feel free to surprise!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 16, 2010, 10:44:23 PM
I am glad you are optimistic about your Dutch! Unfortunately I don't see it happening. They will be lucky to finish in top 6 of the league with all those new comers. Tough first night for IIAC as Loras, Buena Vista and Central all lose on the opening night. Not a good start for the representation of the IIAC as they play non-conference teams against different conferences.

Couple other thoughts on the first couple of games--

Wartburg gets first win in the IIAC at home against Carelton, Cornell gets big win in OT against Elmhurst in day two.
Buena Vista gives up 95 points in the opening night? Maybe they are going to try to outscore opponents all year giving up 95 to Gustavus team that usually prides them selves in running clock and taking good shots.

Thoughts on preseason rankings to come-- any other comments out there?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 17, 2010, 07:43:48 AM
Wartbrug 56- Carleton 52

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2010/11/16/MBB_1116100020.aspx
BOX SCORE http://www.go-knights.net/custompages/201011mbasketballstats/carl101.htm

"WAVERLY – Wartburg College jumped out to a 19-8 lead as part of a 56-52 win over Carleton College of Northfield, Minn., Nov. 16.

The Knights, beginning a stretch of six consecutive games inside Levick Arena, used a 38-29 rebounding advantage and some cold three-point shooting from their Minnesota Intercollegiate Athletic Conference visitors to spark the victory. Carleton canned only six-of-27 long-range shots.

The home side continued to maintain a strong advantage at the break, leading 30-21. Carleton crept back in the second half, closing within two (48-46) with over four minutes left. From that point forward, junior forward Jordan Sathoff of Packwood hit four-of-six charity tosses and sophomore forward Jake Reinhardt of Waverly hit two from the line to keep the visiting Knights at bay."

At 1 point Wartburg had 4 freshmen and 1 jr on the floor. They are going to have a lot of 1st and 2nd year players play a lot.

Carleton was 3-18 from 3 in 1st half.  They brought 11 players dressed 10 played 8.
Wartburg's Cole Danielson dnp (ankle sprain)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 17, 2010, 09:28:17 AM
UNI 84 Coe 45
http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20101116/SPORTS020704/101116028/UNI-men-s-basketball-Panthers-rout-Coe

43-17 @ half
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 17, 2010, 12:12:52 PM
Dubuque preview from the Telegraph-Herald

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=302644

The forecast -- The Spartans are projected to finish fourth in the IIAC in the league's preseason coaches' poll.

Outlook -- Forget contending. After their best season in years, the Spartans are thinking Iowa Conference championship. If the electric Blum -- perhaps the IIAC's best player -- stays healthy, UD will be at worst an IIAC player. Blum bruised a knee in Tuesday's season-opening 75-73 loss to UW-Superior and will be evaluated today.


Freshmen like Scales Mound (Ill.) forward Joe Kelly and Dubuque Senior product Malcolm Stewart give Dubuque depth. Post defense and an ability to win on the road will be huge factors in how far the Spartans go in what projects to be a wide-open IIAC. With reigning champion Central having lost all five starters, the league is up for grabs.

"The Iowa Conference is going to be as tough as ever," Central coach Mike Boschee said.

Blum says a key element for UD will be staying the course.


"We're trying to stress to the newcomers all those things that helped us tie for second in the Iowa Conference (last season)," he said.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 17, 2010, 01:26:34 PM
I really don't expect Central to repeat in any way, shape or form what they accomplished last year.  But I don't expect them to automatically sink to the bottom of the conference again either.  I think last year will give the team a good foundation to grow on.  They saw that if they put in the hard work and really played hard they could accomplish something nobody expected.  If I recall, Central was picked to finish second last year because of returning talent.  I highly doubt anyone believed they would win the conference with a four game margin. 

I saw a different attitude last year.  They didn't give up, they kept playing to win, they fought through the runs teams made on them and they won.  I think last year was the start of something, even though it was the end for the 5 senior starters.  We have a lot of talent, but we lack height.  I have no idea how good Monmouth is considered to be, but if the Dutch had shot better at the charity stripe, I think they would have won the game.  The score was the margin it was because they fouled a ton in the closing minutes.  It was closer than the final score indicates.

The big question will be how fast can these players learn to play well together?  Last year's team had 4 years of playing together and knew each other inside and out.  It is a whole new story when you start from scratch.  On the plus side, the women won their first game, one more win and they equal last year's win record.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 17, 2010, 11:12:07 PM
I told you my comments were coming about the preseason picks and here they are. First off, how did Wartburg receive one vote for number one? Didn't there starting point guard tear his ACL, that will be tough to replace if they were planning on big things for him. I could see them finishing below 3rd. I think the top two teams will separate themselves from the rest of the pack as the season goes, both teams have a lot of returners that they will benefit from. As for Dubuque, as long as Blum is still there (he is finally a senior right?) they will be in a lot of games. Luther I think will be a surprise team, they return all there starters from last year and will be tough to beat at home. Klompen is going to get mad, but Central is a team I could see finishing in the bottom 2..they lost all their starters and need to replace a lot of weapons. As for Coe, as long as Tatman is running the show at point, I think they will continue to struggle. However, look for them to get some upset wins at home. Cornell started off the year well with a big win over Elmhurst and I could see them finishing in top 6 of league. Zanders didn't inherit much at Simpson, but he will have his guys playing hard and will improve throughout the year.

I see it finishing like this:
1.Buena Vista
2.Loras
3.Dubuque
4.Wartburg
5.Luther
6.Cornell
7.Central
8.Coe
9.Simpson
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on November 19, 2010, 06:42:21 PM
Ripon vs Buena Vista (6:00pm), probable starters and link to live stats...

http://www.iwuhoops.com/notes11.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 20, 2010, 08:45:59 PM
Question to all the message board posters- is it better to play teams that you are almost guaranteed a win early on in the season to build confidence within the team or better to play some good competition and risk losing the game but getting better?

I see Wartburg, Loras and Buena Vista playing some good competition and year after year finishing in the top 4 of the league. Simpson also plays good competition in Elmhurst, and Augustana- usually top finishers in the CCIW, results will come for the Storm.

Then there are the rest of the schools playing Knox, Martin Luther, Silver Lake and Dominican, I guess when you are not so good you might as well pile up the wins early on.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on November 20, 2010, 09:10:32 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on November 20, 2010, 08:45:59 PM
Question to all the message board posters- is it better to play teams that you are almost guaranteed a win early on in the season to build confidence within the team or better to play some good competition and risk losing the game but getting better?

I see Wartburg, Loras and Buena Vista playing some good competition and year after year finishing in the top 4 of the league. Simpson also plays good competition in Elmhurst, and Augustana- usually top finishers in the CCIW, results will come for the Storm.

Then there are the rest of the schools playing Knox, Martin Luther, Silver Lake and Dominican, I guess when you are not so good you might as well pile up the wins early on.

While it helps to have a cupcake or two to help a team get their confidence up, they can be a hindrance too.  If your starters only play a half, then they won't get as much work in as if they'd played a full game. 

However, if they're getting blown out, then they may only play a half too... and they won't get as much work in.

There has to be a nice mix.  It kind of depends if a team realistically has a shot at getting a Pool C bid.  If that's the case, then regional wins matter.  It might be worthwhile to play some tough out of region competition... that way, your team has the experience of playing a tough team, but it can't hurt you.

Now, it won't help you either... at least as the numbers go for a Pool C bid, but the experience can help.

If you look at the John Carroll/ Carthage matchup tonight that John Carroll won, it effectively means nothing for the post-season.  Yes, it counts for their over-all record, but that doesn't matter for the NCAA.  It likely will factor in for top-25 voting, but, again, that doesn't have anything to do with bids for the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 21, 2010, 09:38:16 PM
Hey, IC, I don't get mad that easy.  If I was from another school and saw a team graduate all 5 of the starters, I wouldn't expect much out of them either.  But I do find it strange that you could see Central finishing in the bottom two, but did not place them there on you projection.  I guess my prediction that they could surprise some teams must have influenced you.   ;)

As far as the teams that Central is playing in the early going, I don't know that they are much different from teams that we have played early the last several years, but it didn't stop the Dutch from winning the conference last year.  I do tend to agree though that better teams get more out of playing better teams because it pushes them.  On the other hand, if a team is trying to find a starting line-up, playing some teams that allow you to try different mixes of players isn't a bad thing. 

I think Central is getting to a point where you can see which players are rising to the top and will get their playing time and which ones will more likely be on the clean-up crew, though we might not get to that point many times.  I also don't see the competition level of any team in the IIAC really helping or hindering them.  The IIAC is not a strong competitor in the playoffs so the odds of a Pool C going to any IIAC team are pretty small. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 21, 2010, 09:54:32 PM
Okay, I will throw my guesses in as well.  Here is how I see things shaking out.

1.  Loras/Buena Vista
3.  Dubuque
4.  Luther
5.  Central
6.  Wartburg
7.  Cornell/Coe
9.  Simpson

Don't worry too much about my picks though, I had Wartburg finishing 4th in football.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 22, 2010, 01:04:18 PM
Quote from: Klompen on November 21, 2010, 09:54:32 PM
Okay, I will throw my guesses in as well.  Here is how I see things shaking out.

1.  Loras/Buena Vista
3.  Dubuque
4.  Luther
5.  Central
6.  Wartburg
7.  Cornell/Coe
9.  Simpson

Don't worry too much about my picks though, I had Wartburg finishing 4th in football.   ;D


Klop, before the season started I would have probably agreed with Wartburg being lower 1/2. But after seeing the Knights play 3 times (UNI, Carleton + Mt. Mercy) I like the Knights being in the mix for #1 if they play as well on the road as they have @ home. Jordan Hester will be a very good replacement for PG Mitchell Murphy (out w/ACL). He also has a little more of an outside shot than Mitchell. Also Drew Crawford can give Danielson a break and still have a real 3 point threat on the floor. And looking through my orange colored glasses I can see Jordan Sathoff as conference MVP.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 22, 2010, 10:21:20 PM
So what is it that has WB playing better than last year?  More experience?  New mix of players?  I won't be able to attend the Central-WB game on Dec 4, but would be interested in your input. 

Central has some top reserves back from last year, but is really lacking height.  We have some decent outside shooters, but they need to get some consistency going for them.  Some of the players coming up from JV are looking like they will add a nice boost to the team.  They need to stay in the mode of last year's team where everyone played aggressive defense and most of the time they were really unselfish on offense, looking for the player with the open shot or the person who had the hot hand at the time.  We will have to play well on defense as rebounds won't come our way as often as last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 22, 2010, 11:00:39 PM
Klompen- Wartburg is off to a great start, 3-0 is as good as you can be right now. But who have they played? Carlton is typically a good team but who knows about this year? And Mt. Mercy and Marian at home? I am not buying that orange knight juice yet. Until they go on the road and beat some teams, I can't give them too much credit. Don't get me wrong though, if Sathoff scores 20 and 8 all year he will have the Knights at the top of the league. Also when was the last time major contributors where freshman and their team was in the top on the league? Its hard for freshman to put up great numbers because its a long tough year. I hope the Knights prove me wrong!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on November 23, 2010, 09:28:31 AM
Greetings from a rookie IIAC poster.  I decided to jump in the fray before the season was too far along.  Here are my conference picks:
1.  Buena Vista - pretty risky bet, but young team with potential.  Can you believe 35 turnovers in loss to Grinnell!
2. Dubuque
3. Loras
4. Wartburg
5. Cornell
6. Coe
7. Central
8. Luther
9. Simpson
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 24, 2010, 12:04:38 AM
Coebball70- welcome to the boards! We always love some new guys, we got to get these board rocking. Interesting picks to say the least! Buena Vista's 1-3 record isn't scaring you from still picking them number one. I took them number one and that's not looking too good. 35 turnovers and there are giving up like 93 points a game, I don't care how much talent they got on offense, they are going to have to guard someone. Loras has also been a big surprise, only averaging 57 ppg while giving up 76. Duhawks need to figure it out quick on both offense and defense. I will give them credit- they are playing some good teams. Interesting to take Dubuque number 2. Do you have a reason for your madness? And Luther 8th with all there starters back? Interesting picks! I think someone had too many COCONUTS for breakfast!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on November 24, 2010, 08:48:39 AM
I'm stickin' with my picks ... but I'm wondering what the conference coaches are thinking right now.  I think BV's performances are reflective of a young team in need of some floor leadership and a combination of mental confidence and focus.  The Beavers have the talent to beat all IIAC teams on any given night and the mental toughness to fall asleep the next night.  I watched Loras last evening get shellacked by Wheaton.  The IIAC pre-season #1 pick is now 0-3 will probably be 1-4 when the conference season opens.  I'm not sure what that says about the conference.  Three conference losses will probably win the championship.  You're right about Luther, maybe I didn't give them enough respect but the last time I remember them being tough in basketball Frank Barth was the go-to guy!  Hopefully the Kohawks can get it together but I have my doubts.  By the way, WALNUTS are my favorite.  Go Beavers .. wake up and have some winning FUN .. defense is not a bad word.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 25, 2010, 08:18:38 PM
Welcome Coebball70.  Glad to have more posters on this board.  I wish there were more. 

Central isn't getting any love from anyone but me, good thing I'm around to support the Dutch.  It's a tough job, but someone has to do it and I actually enjoy it.   :)  Central played a good game the other night against a much taller Augsburg team.  Central write up of the game, for what it's worth, has Augsburg as a preseason favorite to contend for MIAC conference title and the Dutch lead the first half and hung with them for a chance to win at the end, but missed the 3 point shot and follow-up that would have won or tied, respectively, the game.  The Dutch look like they are learning to play together pretty well.

In the first half, you could tell by watching the coach that he was really upset that we were still in the game with 5 new starters, let alone leading.  I said at the half that Ausgburg would likely come out on fire as they probably got a good chewing out at the intermission.  Sure enough, Augsburg came out and went on a 9-0 scoring spree to take the lead for good, but never by a comfortable margin.  I was impressed with the way the Dutch stayed focused and didn't let it rattle them.  They kept it close right down to the wire and lost by 2. 

Wish we didn't have to play the Knights so early, but that's the way it is.  I think they can give them a really good game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on November 28, 2010, 01:42:26 AM
Not hating on the Dutch, but until they prove me wrong I can't give them a lot of love. Hopefully by Christmas I am loving the dutch treats.
    Does anyone else have a concern for Loras? They lost again today, more then likely not going to win against Platteville at home tomorrow. They are going to enter the conference season 0-5? There may be trouble brewing in Duhawk land! Luther appears to have had a tough trip to Hawaii losing both games but will use that experience to get better results in the league? Interesting Sunday game besides Loras, includes Buena Vista playing at home against Hamline. If I remember right, Hamline beat them by 20+ at their place. Excited for the conference openers on Wednesday. My picks to come later in week!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MiacMadness on November 28, 2010, 02:33:00 PM
is there live feed for the Buena Vista vs Hamline game? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on November 28, 2010, 06:18:05 PM
Glad that's over.  Not the IIAC's idea of a good non-conference season.  Loras at 1-4 and BVU at 1-4 picked first and second in the conference.  It's a new ball game starting 12/1.  Good luck to the BVU Beavers, but it's going to be a long year when you out rebound your opponent by 17 and still lose by 7.
25 turnovers, that is the difference in the Hamline loss.  I am still predicting a conference championship but somebody must put an end to this negative momentum.  Mike Kaufmann is getting better with each game, now someone has to step up at the #3.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on November 28, 2010, 07:45:14 PM
Wow, the Duhawks woke up!  I can't believe they knocked off UW-Platteville 63-61.  That should give Loras some confidence going into the IIAC schedule.  I still don't think they will finish higher than the Beavers.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wizbegs1304 on November 28, 2010, 08:32:56 PM
Not sure if this has been posted here or not...

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/General%20News/general%20news/midwest-conference.shtml
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 29, 2010, 07:45:38 AM
Quote from: jamesd04 on November 28, 2010, 08:32:56 PM
Not sure if this has been posted here or not...

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/General%20News/general%20news/midwest-conference.shtml

It was talked about on the football side of things here, but not in the basketball forum.  It seems to most that Cornell doesn't think they can compete in football in the IIAC and would do better in the MWC. 

There are 3 members of the ACM in the IIAC, there are 6 members of the ACM in the MWC.  There are others in the MIAC.  Of course Cornell has significant alumni groups in Illinois and Wisconsin...they are border states to Iowa.  EVERY school in the IIAC would have large alumni numbers in those states.  That is just the spin Cornell is putting out to the public. 

Cornell has competed just fine in the IIAC in most sports outside of football.  I do think there is an effort at Cornell to de-emphasize athletics and they feel that will be easier in the MWC.  Cornell won the mens basketball title in the IIAC 2 years ago and then told the head coach he had to take a 20% pay cut...he then left.  This is just after Cornell completed a $105million capital campain.  Cornell is bringing in decent money in donations and their enrollment is up.  Money is not a problem in Mt. Vernon.  The administration just doesn't want to give IIAC levels of money to their athletic department. 

I hate to lose a school like Cornell.  They are a perfect fit for the IIAC, especially with their rivalry with Coe.  I still hope something can happen to save the situation.  But I'm not holding my breath.  I will most certainly try to head to Mt. Vernon next fall when UD plays there so I can get one more Bluecheeseburger basket and a beer at Chameleons and watch one final IIAC football game at Ash Park. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 29, 2010, 03:18:58 PM
Even thought WC has lost 2 straight I still feel better about them now then I did before the season started.

Lost to Bethany Luther without best outside defender(illness) and were hurt by outside game. Then a loss to Grinnell. Wartburg shot only 1 3 pt shot for the game - last :30. 32 TO's but a lot were because of HACK a Shaq defense with IIAC refs gasping for breathe rather than blowing the whistle.

We'll see how everyone is this week when conf play starts.

Good Luck and good health to all.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carletonsid on November 29, 2010, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: jamesd04 on November 28, 2010, 08:32:56 PM
Not sure if this has been posted here or not...

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/athletics/General%20News/general%20news/midwest-conference.shtml

This is unlikely to be the last change for the Midwest Conference. I think they'd like to purge themselves of Carroll, St. Norbert, etc. Grabbing Cornell and keeping fellow ACM schools Ripon, Monmouth, Lawrence, Lake Forest, Knox, Grinnell and Beloit gives them eight schools. Seems like a nice, round number. I do think it would be hard for an ACM-centric conference to get to 10 institutions, unless maybe they could grab Colorado College and maybe Macalester. I don't see Luther, Carleton or St. Olaf leaving its current conferences.

For a grad of an IIAC school (Luther '97) it's hard to believe the IIAC will be down to eight schools. It's the smallest since '86 when Loras returned.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 01, 2010, 12:36:30 AM
Picks and thoughts for Wednesday Nights conference openers--

Central @ Loras Duhawks fresh off first win of year continue with their winning ways and after a slow start, dominate late in the game and win 84 to 71.

Coe @ Buena Vista- BV plays better defense, still turns it over too much and finds a way to outscore Coe down the stretch to win 86 to 80. In a game to close for comfort at home.

Cornell @ Wartburg- Cornell has no answer for Sathoff as he continues his double double streak and wins 80 to 69. Wartburg continues success at home in the league.


Dubuque @ Simpson- Fighting Storm put up a fight but can't overpower the Spartans down the stretch and lose by 7, 75 to 68. Blum shows why he is an all-conference player and Dubuque is only team to win on road in night one.

Wis.-Platteville    @ Luther- Platteville dominates game from start to finish and wins 80 to 66.
          
   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 01, 2010, 08:13:58 AM
I can't say I know enough about these teams to be making predictions yet.

I like IC's picks.

Central lost all 5 starters and travels to Loras to take on a team that despite a bad start, did just beat Platteville.  Loras was always strong in their old barn, not so much in their new palace, but I think Loras beats Central.

BV at home sounds good to me...I'l take IC's word for it

Warty at home sounds good to me...I'll take IC's word for it

I'm a Dubuque homer, so of course the Spartans will win over Simpson.  With Central playing all the way over in Dubuque...Klompen drives the 30 miles over to Indianola to watch UD's Blum play in person...and maybe get his autograph  ;D ;D ;D

Just to be different...Luther watches film of the Loras win over Platteville and copies that to get a win over the Pioneers ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 01, 2010, 08:57:28 PM
Or maybe Klompen chooses to at least start watching the Central game to see how they do on the road against the preseason favorite, or one of them anyway.  I wouldn't care if I never had to see Blum play again.   ;D  Don't want him hurt, but couldn't he have to attend family weddings or something on the days/nights they play Central?   :D :D :D

Good luck to the Dutch!  Even though I would expect Loras will win tonight.   :'(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 01, 2010, 09:02:07 PM
Nothing like making my picks at 8 pm!  Doesn't matter though, I think IC has all of them picked right.  Unfortunately, that makes all the active posters on here happy except me!  Oh well, the early part of the IIAC season will hopefully be the worst as the players are still adjusting to the new line-ups, might as well get the heavy hitters out of the way while we are more likely to struggle so when we get to the mid-pack teams we can win.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 01, 2010, 09:59:53 PM
Well, it is halftime at Loras with the Dutch up by 14, 37-23.  If I count right, the Dutch have 7 - 3s to their credit.  Central started out really hot and cooled way down about midway through the half.  Good news, Loras in the first half never really got going offensively.  I'm afraid that won't last, but it will be nice to start the second half with a double digit lead since we are on the road against a league favorite.   Hopefully the Dutch can withstand the runs that Loras is sure to make at them. 

I did expect that the Dutch could surprise some teams, but it surprises even me that they are doing this well tonight.  I realize the final outcome may well be different, but who does it say more about, Central or Loras, or both?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 01, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
Coe up by 10, with 9 minutes to go.  Kohawks hitting over 60% from 3 pt land.  The Beavers are being handled by the Kohawks. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 01, 2010, 10:23:43 PM
Quote from: coebball70 on December 01, 2010, 10:13:08 PM
Coe up by 10, with 9 minutes to go.  Kohawks hitting over 60% from 3 pt land.  The Beavers are being handled by the Kohawks. 
Wow, neither one of the pre-season favorites is doing well.  The Dutch were up by 21 when I lost the feed.  Hmmmm????
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 01, 2010, 10:32:23 PM
Coe withstands a furious Beaver rally to win 69-68.  It's going to be a wild conference chase this year.  My bet is 3 losses will win it!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 01, 2010, 10:38:20 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 01, 2010, 08:13:58 AM
Luther watches film of the Loras win over Platteville and copies that to get a win over the Pioneers ;)

Well, it wasn't a carbon copy... but close enough, Luther beats Platteville by 2, 55-53
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 01, 2010, 10:51:22 PM
Really happy to see the IIAC take another victory from  Platteville ... Decorah is hoppin' tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 01, 2010, 10:55:16 PM
Central withstands furious comeback effort by Loras and wins 74-64.  Heard about Coe's win, congratulations to them and Central for going on the road against the preseason favorites and taking their first conference wins.  Heard Wartburg got beat by 1 also.  Going to be an interesting year to say the least.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 02, 2010, 01:44:36 PM
What a great way to start the year for my picks.... 0-5 on the night- good thing I am not gambling man. I will be the first to admit I was wrong. What ever happened to home court advantage?  Very surprised by the Coe and Central wins, but my hats off to them. Also a congrats is in order to Zanders at Simpson for a big time win to start the year. Cornell goes into Wartburg and wins and Luther beats a WIAC team. Great night for basketball for the average fan.

Preseason 1 and 2 picks (Loras and BV) are 1-5? Who would have thought that! What is going on in Storm Lake and Dubuque?

Doolittledog- appreciate the confidence in me with my picks- you may choose differently next time after 0-5 start for me. Great Luther pick! Klompen- hats off to your Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 02, 2010, 05:38:10 PM
Here's the video that caused last night's amazing results in the IIAC;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkBOI4lNfYs

I posted this on the CCIW board where I normally lurk, but I believe all of you will enjoy the message....please take 2:16, turn up the volume and enjoy!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 02, 2010, 09:06:34 PM
Coebball70, liked the video, thanks for posting it here. 

IC Champ, I knew the Dutch would surprise somebody, didn't expect it to be me though!   ;)  I knew this team could be better than most would expect after all 5 starters graduated, but these "newbies" did something even last year's champs didn't do, that was winning AT Loras.  Even I didn't expect that, so you're right, hats off to this Dutch squad.  First win at Loras in 19 years!

I guess so much for catching other teams by surprise now.  Up until last night, people just thought I was a fan looking through my red tinted glasses.  Nice of the team to make me look so good!   ;D ;D ;D  Still not ready to move them up on my pre-IIAC predictions, I will let them win a few more games first.   ;)  The nice thing is according to the coach, this team is still improving with every game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2010, 08:21:51 AM
Oh great...so dominating in football wasn't enough for Central   :P

I wonder if the Dutch are following Warty's lead and offering funny money to athletes :D

Thanks Coeball, I liked that video.  I wish someone at UD could dub that soundtrack onto video of UD players to pump them up during pregames. 

I think UD still has the potential to finish in a similar position as last year...about a million place tie for 2nd place in the conference.  UD has shown flashes this season, they just need to put an entire game together.  I'll be watching them from my computer this year to see if it happends.  Like Klompen, I'm a fan, win or lose.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 04, 2010, 10:30:56 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 03, 2010, 08:21:51 AM
Oh great...so dominating in football wasn't enough for Central   :P

I wonder if the Dutch are following Warty's lead and offering funny money to athletes :D
Hey, we have to make up for a down year in football.  Third place!  Man, that team should have been in first and they would agree!   ;D  Okay, maybe second, Coe did outplay us.  Still not convinced about Wartburg, but saying so cost me a ton of karma.   :D

As to the funny money?   ::) ::) ::)

What happened to Blum and the Spartans?  I went along with IC's predictions the other night too, but I knew just enough to think they were likely right.  Woe to me for not expecting my surprising Dutch to do something last year's experienced players and conference champs couldn't do.  Still basking in the glow of an astonishing win at Loras. 

But on to today, Go Dutch.  It's killing me that I can't be there today, but will be wishing I could be every minute!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 04, 2010, 07:53:18 PM
Glad to see the Dutch were able to get it done again today.  Dutch beat Wartburg 76-64, haven't seen the full write-up and I wasn't able to be there, but brief report says Turner hit 10 of 10 free throws, I'm guessing most at the end with Wartburg trying to get the ball back, but I don't know that.  Just speculating.  Good win for the Dutch. 

How did the rest of the conference do?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on December 04, 2010, 09:40:57 PM
Gotta love seeing the Kohawks and Dutch sitting on top at 2-0 after being picked to finish 7th and 8th in the league.

Loras scores 48 points and loses to Luther, falling to 0-2?  Oh boy.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 05, 2010, 12:36:24 AM
So maybe Loras isn't all it was expected to be, either that or they made the fatal mistake of taking teams too lightly.  It will be interesting to see how they bounce back.  I'm with you KK, I'm loving it for both Coe and Central.  There is tons of season yet to play, but it is a great start for being picked in the bottom half of the conference.  Just so they can keep it up.  Loras really does surprise me because don't they have a lot of players back from last year?  Are there injuries or is there dissention brewing in the team? 

The one thing I really noticed about Central this year and the past couple of years is that they are finally starting to believe in themselves AND they are playing together very well.  In the less successful years, they were not doing that and the difference really shows. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 05, 2010, 12:45:27 AM
From the Central write-up:

"Central used a stingy first-half defense to take a 31-17 lead at intermission as Wartburg hit just 24.0 percent from the floor. The Dutch stretched the lead to 23 points at 55-32 with 9:51 left, then had to withstand a Wartburg rally. The Knights reeled off nine unanswered points to make it 57-45 with 7:27 remaining, then twice climbed to within seven points. But Turner knocked down all 10 of his free throws in the final 1:47."

All 10 free throws for Demarco Turner came in the final 1:47 of the game?  And he made them all?  Way to go, Demarco!  Thanks too, to Wartburg for continually fouling a guy who was consistently knocking them down.  Sounds like a terrific finish for the Dutch and great confidence on Turner's part.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 05, 2010, 10:41:59 AM
Luther 46  Loras 45- Loras falls to 1-6 and 0-2 in the league after a defensive battle in Decorah. Luther shot 33% and Loras 31%. Loras had 18 turnovers and struggled to score all night. Take away the free throws and Loras scores 35 points. I am not writing the Duhawks off, but they must get some leadership and find a way to score as they are shooting 40% on the year.

Buena Vista  80   Cornell   76 - BV was up 15 with 4:50 to go, had 5 turnovers down the stretch, went 0-1 and 5-8 from free throw line and holds on to 5 point victory. Good road win for a team that has been struggling. Appears free throws were the difference in the game as BV goes 21-26 and Cornell only 4-9. BV continues to turn the ball over too much (17) and gives up a better FG% then their opponent- that is something that must change for them to contend for a IIAC title.


Coe    75   Simpson   68- Coe scores 12 more points then the Storm at the line as they attempt 14 more free throws.  Simpson actually scores 6 more field goals, but fouls killed them. Impressed with Simpson going on the road and playing hard, why did Hutcheson and Fouch get technicals?


Central 74     Wartburg   64
- Wartburg shoots 24% in the first half and only scores 17 points. Wartburg turns ball over 23 times against a non-pressure defense. Danielson has 7, he isn't even the pg guard is he? Central shot 15 more free throws then Wartburg as Central dominated game from start to finish leading by as many as 23 in the 2nd half.


** Another interesting day in the IIAC- I go 2-2 in my picks and am 2-7 on the year. Home teams bounced back in winning at home and Loras continues to be surprise around the league. Dubuque beats Silver Lake today 85 to 74.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 05, 2010, 10:53:10 AM
This should be a fun winter to follow IIAC basketball.  I have no idea how this will all play out.  As a Dubuque fan, I'm not upset to see Loras struggling.  I suspect the Duhawks will get things somewhat figured out, but too late to make a title challenge.  Hopefully they don't figure things out the night they play my Spartans!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 05, 2010, 12:17:24 PM
Happy to see my BV Beavers get into the W column on the road against a decent Cornell team.  I still believe three losses will win the conference outright as we are going to see the good teams start to emerge.  After watching Loras at Wheaton I agree with the lack of floor leadership comment.  I also think there must be some serious chemistry issues on the floor because the Duhawks lack the intensity and enthusiasm of previous teams.  Losing can make you or break you as a team.
I think it has made the Beavers a better team.  Now if we can just work on ball possession, I KNOW there is a <10 turnover
game in the Beavers future!  As an old Kohawk, I'm happy for the Cedar Rapidians, but we all remember it is a long season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 05, 2010, 08:19:49 PM
Interesting comments IC, but as I see it, Coe, Central and BV all shot significantly more free throws because they were nursing leads at the end of the game and the other teams were fouling to try to get the ball back while limiting wasted time and point possibilities.  I dare say that if you exclude free throws in the final 2-3 minutes of the game, the free throws would be much more even.  As I noted before, Central's Turner, had 10 free throws in the final 1:47 of the game. 

As to Central being a non-pressure defense, it is true that Central does not press on taking the ball across the half court line, but Central's defense once the ball has crossed the line has improved tremendously since Boschee came to Central.  They force a number of turnovers, but not in the pre-half-court press.

It sounds like Central was able to get a nice boost from a freshman coming off the bench when Jack Bruns got in foul trouble.  That's always good to hear since we don't have near as much height this year.  Central has a game tomorrow that should be easy and will maybe give them a chance to get the kid more experience at the varsity level.  We don't have another conference game until January, so we are guaranteed a few weeks of undefeated IIAC status.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on December 05, 2010, 11:32:01 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on December 05, 2010, 10:41:59 AM

Buena Vista  80   Cornell   76 - BV was up 15 with 4:50 to go, had 5 turnovers down the stretch, went 0-1 and 5-8 from free throw line and holds on to 5 point victory. Good road win for a team that has been struggling. Appears free throws were the difference in the game as BV goes 21-26 and Cornell only 4-9. BV continues to turn the ball over too much (17) and gives up a better FG% then their opponent- that is something that must change for them to contend for a IIAC title.


Fixed it...

I wonder why the foul shot disparity...so much for home-town reffin' 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 06, 2010, 10:38:10 PM
Purple heys- BV typically has some of the best post players in the league and they do a good job of pounding the ball inside. That typically leads to more free throws-- BV seems to shoot the most free throws in the league year after year. Interesting though when you are playing on the road. I would imagine it depends on the officials as well. The interesting stat would be what conferences typically shoot the most free throws. The WIAC is typically more physical they say, but I would say the IIAC on average shoots more free throws per year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 06, 2010, 11:03:07 PM
Dutch spot Faith Baptist a double digit lead before scoring a point tonight and still win 107-52.  I have to give credit to this year's team for taking that winning spirit from last year and working very hard in the off season to give the Dutch a seasoned appearance this year.  You would never know that all five starters graduated last year to look at them.  I'm not saying Faith Baptist is the team to judge them on, but I would venture a guess that neither Loras nor Wartburg expected the games Central gave them.  It is a real tribute to the amount of work that these players have put forth. 

Demarco Turner is really playing outstanding basketball.  The team as a whole is doing a terrific job of selfless play in getting the ball to the open man.  As a Central fan who has watched way too many down years, it is really nice to bask in the success of what we believed was possible last year and the surprising success thus far this year.  There is a lot of season to go, but I do believe the Dutch are improving as they go.  Thanks for making Central men's basketball fun to watch again.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 08, 2010, 01:43:24 PM
Congratulations to Demarco Turner on IIAC men's basketball player of the week.  Keep it up!  10-10 on free throws against WB and 5-5 on 3's against Faith Baptist (not that it counted for POW) is a pretty good week.  Don't know what his point totals were for the games, but love perfect shooting in any category, particularly the 3's!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 08, 2010, 02:02:08 PM
Here are my picks for tonight--2-7 on the year! Time to get hot!


Cornell @ Dubuque- Blum gets hot at home and finds a way to outshoot the Rams even though they get outplayed in the game. Home Court advantage helps as they shoot more free throws and win by 6.

Loras @ Simpson- Loras gets their game together and wins a close one at Simpson as Zanders team plays hard and gives one away down the stretch. Loras by 7, but closer then score indicates.

Luther @ Coe In the upset of the night, Coe does not shoot well and loses by 4 at home in a defensive battle.

Wartburg @ BV- In the game of the night, the Beavers come ready to play at home against what has turned into a better rivalry in recent years and win by 4 despite a hot shooting night from the Knights.


Central @ Bethany Lutheran- Central loses in a non-conference battle on the road by 5.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2010, 09:34:29 PM
Dubuque up 36-17 over Cornell

5:33 left in the 1st half

Go Spartans!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2010, 09:45:18 PM
Dubuque up 43-29 at the half over Cornell
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2010, 10:08:13 PM
Dubuque up 54-37 over Cornell with 16:45 left in the game
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2010, 10:35:37 PM
Dubuque leading Cornell 79-57 2 minutes 40 something seconds left in the game
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2010, 10:40:26 PM
Final score...Dubuque 84 - 57 Cornell
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 08, 2010, 10:51:27 PM
It looks like Coe is going to lose to Luther, BV pounds Wartburg, and Loras won at Simpson as well.  The surprise was how lopsided the game with BV and Wartburg was, if I remember right, it was 82-48.  What happened to Wartburg?  0-3 in the conference? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2010, 11:16:03 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 08, 2010, 10:51:27 PM
It looks like Coe is going to lose to Luther, BV pounds Wartburg, and Loras won at Simpson as well.  The surprise was how lopsided the game with BV and Wartburg was, if I remember right, it was 82-48.  What happened to Wartburg?  0-3 in the conference? 

You're talking like that's a bad thing :D

This is going to take awhile for the conference to sort itself out. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 09, 2010, 10:56:27 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 08, 2010, 11:16:03 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 08, 2010, 10:51:27 PM
It looks like Coe is going to lose to Luther, BV pounds Wartburg, and Loras won at Simpson as well.  The surprise was how lopsided the game with BV and Wartburg was, if I remember right, it was 82-48.  What happened to Wartburg?  0-3 in the conference? 

You're talking like that's a bad thing :D

This is going to take awhile for the conference to sort itself out. 

It's a surprising thing with all that athlete money floating around.   :D :D :D :D   I was surprised to see 10 freshmen listed on the men's varsity squad.  Sounds like they may be struggling to retain their players.  Maybe other coaches had summer roofing jobs.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 09, 2010, 11:34:58 AM
I was off in my scores but predicted the winners. 4-0 gets me back to 6-7. Great night of basketball in the IIAC-  haven't look at any box scores yet, who played well? Interesting thoughts on Wartburg--
Wartburg has had a problem retaining players for awhile, it seems like they get some good players in and they have a good first or 2nd year and then fade off as they become juniors and seniors or even leave school. I thought in the beginning of the year they were not that good and they are proving me right now. They got alot of freshman on their team and that will show as year goes by. Typically young teams will play well at home, not so good on road and be up and down. Wartburg may have its troubles but it will surprise people along the way as well. I am not writing off the Knights, Peth has been around long enough, he will get them rolling.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 09, 2010, 09:04:42 PM
Checking in on the live stats for the Central-Bethany Lutheran game tonight and Central must have started out really hot!  They are shooting 78% from 2 pt range and 62% from 3 pt range.  Problem is, with shooting that hot, it can realistically only cool down.  But for now, Central is up 41-22.  Go Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 09, 2010, 09:17:57 PM
Central does cool down before the half, but still leads 51-30.  At least they have a nice cushion to start the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 09, 2010, 10:38:40 PM
Central beats Bethany Lutheran 96-84.  Somebody had to ruin IC's predictions for these games.   :)

Central finishes the night with 63.5% from 2 pt range and 57.1% from 3 pt range plus 75.9 from the FT line.  Not too bad, but they had a lot of second half turnovers that gave BL a chance to close the gap, but I think 11 pts was as close as it got.  Brock Caves steps things up tonight scoring 24 points.  Dutch got into some foul trouble tonight and had 3 guys playing with 4 fouls for awhile towards the end.  Fortunately, with a good lead, the pressure was on them.  A quality win for the Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 10, 2010, 11:28:59 PM
As we approach the Christmas break, how about assessing the early surprises?  Who is better than expected?  Who is not doing as well as expected?  No surprise that I am picking Central as being better than expected at this point in the year.  Sorry, my rosy red glasses can't see it any other way.  The teams not doing as well as expected I would guess to be Wartburg and Loras, it is just coincidence that those are the teams that Central has played.  If guesses on here have the conference champ with 3 losses, I don't think most would have thought Wartburg would be 0-3 already or Loras 1-2, regardless of who beat them, well except BV maybe. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 11, 2010, 09:19:18 AM
Central is a factory...they don't rebuild, they reload ;) 

That is why Wartburg and Loras have early season losses...Central is the defending conference champion!!!

I would say Central is the better than expected surprise.  Wartburg and Loras are the worse than expected surprises. 

Beware though.  While I was at UD, there was a year we were loaded with talent and supposed to walk away with the title.  Our players came in unmotivated and we started off the year 4-9 and 1-3 in conference play.  UD ended the season 13-3 in the IIAC...including a 20 point win over Wartburg to end the season.  Unfortunately, that put us in a tie for the conference championship and Wartburg got the automatic bid to the NCAA (no conference tourney back then)  UD at 17-9 ended up staying home.  Moral of the story...don't start off cold, thinking you can just turn it on later in the season.  Though, with a conference tourney to end the season...maybe you can?!?! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 11, 2010, 09:19:24 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 11, 2010, 09:19:18 AM
Central is a factory...they don't rebuild, they reload ;) 

Yes, they do.  In FOOTBALL!  This is the basketball board.  This is the board where Central only has one fan and for the most part, we would be thrilled just to make the BB conference tourney!  Even if it meant a quick one and done at a not-so-quick trip to BV and an even longer trip home.  Even last year with all 5 starters returning, most of whom started or played significantly as freshmen, we were not picked to win the conference.  After graduating all five starters, I thought we would take a significant tumble, even after seeing how well this year's team could play, I was still modest in my expectations, seeing us more as a spoiler than contender.  They will have a lot of work to do, but now I think they could be a contender for a repeat.  And IF they do, I would think Boschee would have COY all sewn up.  That is a huge accomplishment, rose colored glasses or not.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on December 13, 2010, 12:29:54 AM
Klompen- no one can argue with Central's success up to this point. Playing Loras at their place early on in the year when they are struggling is a huge win none the less and beating Wartburg at home is great start to the year. I hope they prove me wrong, but I don't think that winning will continue throughout the league as teams get in the thick of things after Christmas. I think both 2-0 teams in the league are a surprise up to this point, Luther winning at Coe was a big road win. Loras and Wartburg being the bottom two teams right now may be the biggest surprise, but they will get it going and the conference will all even itself out. I think the conference is down as a whole and I know one poster thinks 3 losses will win the league. I think 4-5 could get it done if Wartburg and Loras get it going because they are going to beat some front runners after the Christmas break. It shall be interesting!

Central    2-0   1.000   6-3
Luther    2-0   1.000   4-4
Coe            2-1   0.667   5-3
Buena Vista 2-10.667   3-6
Dubuque    1-1   0.500   5-3
Cornell    1-2   0.333   5-3
Simpson    1-2   0.333   3-5
Loras    1-2   0.333   2-7
Wartburg 0-3   0.000   4-5
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 13, 2010, 09:40:15 AM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on December 13, 2010, 12:29:54 AM
I think the conference is down as a whole and I know one poster thinks 3 losses will win the league. I think 4-5 could get it done if Wartburg and Loras get it going because they are going to beat some front runners after the Christmas break. It shall be interesting!

I've been thinking for awhile we might see a log jam at the top and 4 or 5...and maybe ever 6 losses gets you a conference championship.

The thing is, all that really doesn't matter.  The IIAC will be a 1 bid league this year so someone just needs to get hot around conference tourney time to make it to the NCAA tourney.  Of course, sharing a regular season title does allow you to hang a banner in your gym...which is always cool...and can help in recruiting ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 13, 2010, 11:41:30 AM
I'm not so sure that Loras and Wartburg will really get things going after the break.  By no means do I think that either one of them will have completely bad seasons.  I think Wartburg, in particular, will continue to struggle.  That may be influenced by the fact that their is more of a rivalry feeling with Wartburg than Loras, given that formal rival Wm Penn left the conference and Simpson really doesn't have the same rivalry feeling as Wartburg.  But, back to my point at hand, 0-3 in the conference is awfully hard to bounce back from and they have a long time to sit and think about being in last place.  Does that make them stronger or do they give up?  Does having 10 freshmen on varsity help that or does is reflect other problems on the team?

Loras, on the other hand, did get a win the other night to set a more positive tone for the rest of the conference season.  If either team is to bounce back, I think Loras has the history of success on their side and nobody wants to be part of the team that turns the corner the wrong way.  I can see them taking the break to really start putting things back on track.  But, they are already two games down and that can make for a big hole to start digging out from.

Central does have a lot of season ahead of them and will no longer be taken lightly.  But I think they will be a contender.  They have started out as well as possible, beating two of the three early favorites.  Last year's success lit a fire under these guys and if they keep playing selfless ball, putting the team success first, I think they have the ability and desire to repeat.  They just can't let up on their progress.  I think this team saw how far the team that beat us in the playoffs by a narrow margin went and they believe they deserve another shot.

I do agree completely that their is a lot of season that lies ahead and the tourney champ may or may not be the conference champ.  But I will go out on a rose colored limb and say that if Central does win the season conference championship, they will be like last years' team and breeze through the tourney as well.  (Now please, Dutch, don't make me eat my words, I am your only posting fan you know!)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 14, 2010, 07:09:11 PM
Big transfer to Loras...

http://www.gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2400&ATCLID=205054587
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 14, 2010, 10:24:01 PM
So what makes him a big transfer to Loras?  His 6'5" size?  I read the article, but I know nothing about him other than he only played in two exhibition games and is a freshmen who is transfering.  Sorry to not be more up on things, but North Dakota State just doesn't stand out for me as far as big name basketball schools go.  He may make a big difference at Loras, he may not.   I'm not trying to downplay his transfer, I just would like to know why this is a big transfer, assumed big catch, for Loras.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 15, 2010, 09:19:51 PM
While I refuse to speak for Titan Q, I will attempt to explain why he thinks it's a "big deal" for Loras to get such a transfer.  I remember the young man was elected first team, all-state in Illinois after leading his team to something like to a 26 and 1 team record in Class AA.  Also, if my memory serves me correctly, ND State is a school with a fairly strong basketball history.  I think it was just two years ago that they almost upset Kansas in the NCAA tourney and finished 26 and 2 for the year.  Either way, it is a major addition to a struggling team and I believe he can immediately be eligible to play.

Also, FWIW, I was happy to see Buena Vista give Augustana a strong game before eventually losing in the last three minutes of the game.  How many losses will it take to win the IIAC championship this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 15, 2010, 09:57:31 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 14, 2010, 10:24:01 PM
So what makes him a big transfer to Loras?  His 6'5" size?  I read the article, but I know nothing about him other than he only played in two exhibition games and is a freshmen who is transfering.  Sorry to not be more up on things, but North Dakota State just doesn't stand out for me as far as big name basketball schools go.  He may make a big difference at Loras, he may not.   I'm not trying to downplay his transfer, I just would like to know why this is a big transfer, assumed big catch, for Loras.

6-5 and athletic PG...a rare commodity in Division III.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6MUpnynms

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru8Jc5rN1Uc&feature=related
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 15, 2010, 10:10:28 PM
A copy/paste of a post I made on this board in April 2010 on Taylor Baxter...
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Posted this on the CCIW board, but will post here too...

Quote from: Titan Q on April 07, 2010, 08:08:14 AM
Links to the IBCA all-state teams...

1A/2A team (http://members.ibcaillinois.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31:ibca-1a2a-boys-all-state-teams&catid=3:general-news)

3A/4A team (http://members.ibcaillinois.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=33:ibca-3a4a-boys-all-state-teams&catid=3:general-news)


Here are kids from the IBCA teams heading to Division III schools that I'm aware of...I'm sure I'm missing a bunch.  Please post if you know any and I'll keep the list updated...


* Victor Davis (Galesburg), 3A/4A 3rd team - Illinois Wesleyan

* Chris Klimek (Fremd), 3A/4A 4th team - Washington U.

* Joe LaTulip (Prospect), 3A/4A Special Mention - Illinois Wesleyan

* Tyler Mitchell (Ziegler-Royalton), 1A/2A Honorable Mention - Greenville

* Scott Suchy (Genoa-Kingston), 1A/2A 3rd team - Carthage

* Brady Zimmer (Delavan), 1A/2A 1st team - Illinois Wesleyan


In response to this post, I received an e-mail stating that 1A/2A 1st teamer Taylor Baxter (Fieldcrest H.S.) is leaning towards Division III Loras.  Let me first stress that I cannot confirm this.  But if true, this would be big for Loras, as Baxter has not only been recruited extremely hard by a lot of CCIW schools, but he has had several NAIA, D2, and even low D1 teams talking to him.  This from January...

Baxter is on the radar screen of a number of schools at varying levels. "I'm still talking to North Dakota State, Northern Arizona, Tennessee-Martin, Eastern Illinois, and Evansville as of late. Division two schools that I'm still talking to are Lewis, Southwest Minnesota State, Ashland, and Illinois-Springfield. Division three schools are all over the place right now, I really like Elmhurst and Loras, and Augustana is still in the mix," said Baxter.

http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/taylorbaxter2.html


We'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 16, 2010, 08:35:17 PM
Ah, thanks, the videos really showed why he is a big recruit for Loras.  He does look like a player who can make an immediate impact and I believe it is correct that he would be eligible right away.  Like I said, I didn't mean to any disrespect by my question, I was just not aware of who he was or what he could do and the article from North Dakota State really didn't clarify any of that.  Not that you would expect them to want to admit they lost what looks to be an outstanding recruit. 

Makes me glad Central already beat Loras and that the next time, it will at least be on our floor.  Thanks again Titan Q and also to CB70.  Sorry CB70, but glad that BV will still have to play Loras twice.  Here I thought Central was stuck playing them early, maybe I will be glad they got them early.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 16, 2010, 09:11:17 PM
The article said the kid was homesick and wanted to play somewhere closer to home.  Hopefully, after 1 semester at Loras, the kid doesn't wan't to be closer still to Chicago land and finds a CCIW school that is even closer to home for him for next year. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 16, 2010, 09:45:14 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 16, 2010, 09:11:17 PM
The article said the kid was homesick and wanted to play somewhere closer to home.  Hopefully, after 1 semester at Loras, the kid doesn't wan't to be closer still to Chicago land and finds a CCIW school that is even closer to home for him for next year. 



Nah, you guys can keep him. ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on December 17, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
http://www.newstrib.com/articles/sports/todays-n-t-sports/default.asp?Article=24906&aname=Baxter+to+transfer%2C+but+destination+not+set

The North Dakota State announcement said that Baxter was transferring to Division III Loras College in Dubuque, Iowa.

Baxter said that is inaccurate, and he has not decided on his destination.

He is making a visit to Loras on Sunday, and he will then visit Illinois Wesleyan on Monday.

"I'm kind of 50-50 at this point. There's some stuff we have to figure out at the meeting," Baxter said. "I have a great relationship with both coaches at both schools. It's definitely going to be hard to tell one of them, 'No.' I got to do what's best for me."

Baxter said that both Loras and Wesleyan will give him the chance to return to playing point guard, which is the position he played last year when he earned all-state honors and the NewsTribune Boys Basketball Player of the Year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 18, 2010, 09:32:40 PM
Wow, my Beavers lose again.  Not sure what to think.  It looked as though Grand View just controlled the game from the start by controlling the inside game.  Kevin Smith had a career game, making BV's post players look clueless on defense.  I'm still hopeful the Beavers will come out on top in the IIAC, but I must say my confidence in the team I watched humiliate Aurora University is waning.  Seven losses in non-conference play, when is the last time that occurred?  Maybe a Florida trip will help, but I think Defense 101 would help more.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 19, 2010, 04:41:47 PM
My Dutch lost yesterday too.  It sounds like they had a lot of turnovers and lost a little focus.  Good lesson to learn before returning to conference play I guess. 

I think BV in basketball is a little like Central in football.  Always a top team for consideration, but not the almost automatic lock that it used to seem to be to win.  Adjusting to that kind of change is hard because they have been so good for so long that you get complacent about winning.  It's kind of nice, until it stops.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 19, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 19, 2010, 04:41:47 PM
My Dutch lost yesterday too.  It sounds like they had a lot of turnovers and lost a little focus.  Good lesson to learn before returning to conference play I guess. 

I think BV in basketball is a little like Central in football.  Always a top team for consideration, but not the almost automatic lock that it used to seem to be to win.  Adjusting to that kind of change is hard because they have been so good for so long that you get complacent about winning.  It's kind of nice, until it stops.

Yeah, but Central has been near the top for like 50 years...BV in basketball has been 10-15???  For those, like me, that took a break from IIAC basketball for over a decade...I had no idea BV was a dominant team in the IIAC.  It won't seem all that strange for me if BV takes a step back in the standing.  Though I still doubt they are really headed downhill yet. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 20, 2010, 07:11:18 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 19, 2010, 05:35:46 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 19, 2010, 04:41:47 PM
My Dutch lost yesterday too.  It sounds like they had a lot of turnovers and lost a little focus.  Good lesson to learn before returning to conference play I guess. 

I think BV in basketball is a little like Central in football.  Always a top team for consideration, but not the almost automatic lock that it used to seem to be to win.  Adjusting to that kind of change is hard because they have been so good for so long that you get complacent about winning.  It's kind of nice, until it stops.

Yeah, but Central has been near the top for like 50 years...BV in basketball has been 10-15???  For those, like me, that took a break from IIAC basketball for over a decade...I had no idea BV was a dominant team in the IIAC.  It won't seem all that strange for me if BV takes a step back in the standing.  Though I still doubt they are really headed downhill yet. 
Downhill, in the case of a really dominant team is anything that isn't a first place finish.   ;)  I'm not saying BV won't contend or even end up at the top, just that certain games that in the past had a seemingly foregone conclusion, aren't necessarily that way anymore.  Kind of like Central vs. UD in football used to be, but darn it, no longer is.   ;)  When  you go into a season expecting nothing less than a championship, getting a loss takes awhile to reconcile with your expectations.  Like Coe beating BV earlier or the same thing happening to Central in football.   :'(

Central's football dominance is longer, but you have to start somewhere and BV in basketball has enough history, that I think they have a similar expectation of success. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 21, 2010, 12:11:04 PM
Wow!  The Kohawks hit stride last night.  Knocking off the University of Chicago by fifteen points was the last result I expected.  Chicago had just knocked off Illinois Wesleyan and appeared to be gaining strength as a team.  So file this one under "I guess that's why they play the game" and enjoy a good win for the IIAC!  Looks like the Kohawks turned up the second-half defense dial as the Maroons only shot 25% going 7 for 28! 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on December 21, 2010, 05:39:54 PM
Has anybody taken a look at the IIAC in terms of a general non-conference record? 

I know that the IIAC is 2-3 against the WIAC with 3 to play, as the IIAC squeaked out two against Platteville in the last possession.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 29, 2010, 07:07:31 AM
Nice to see Buena Vista knock off Denison in a close game in Daytona Beach.  Wes Nordquist has a career game at 29 points and 15 rebounds!  Hopefully, other IIAC teams will bring home some Holiday Tournament victories.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on December 30, 2010, 04:49:38 PM
Buena Vista 70, St. Scholastica 55.  Nice way to end the year.  The Beavers are developing some momentum for the conference race.  Hopefully, these two solid defensive efforts will set the tone for the remainder of the season.
The team enjoyed a well-balanced offensive effort led by Troy Ticknor who shot well from beyond the arc (7-13) totaling 24 points.  Go Beavers! 

Happy New Year to the IIAC board!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 03, 2011, 05:19:22 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on December 17, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
http://www.newstrib.com/articles/sports/todays-n-t-sports/default.asp?Article=24906&aname=Baxter+to+transfer%2C+but+destination+not+set

The North Dakota State announcement said that Baxter was transferring to Division III Loras College in Dubuque, Iowa.

Baxter said that is inaccurate, and he has not decided on his destination.

He is making a visit to Loras on Sunday, and he will then visit Illinois Wesleyan on Monday.

"I'm kind of 50-50 at this point. There's some stuff we have to figure out at the meeting," Baxter said. "I have a great relationship with both coaches at both schools. It's definitely going to be hard to tell one of them, 'No.' I got to do what's best for me."

Baxter said that both Loras and Wesleyan will give him the chance to return to playing point guard, which is the position he played last year when he earned all-state honors and the NewsTribune Boys Basketball Player of the Year.


This is now a done deal - 6-5 PG Taylor Baxter (formerly of D1 NDSU) is heading to Loras.  Baxter averaged 16.3 ppg, 4.8 rpg, and 5.6 apg as a senior at Fieldcrest H.S. (Minonk, IL) last year, leading his team to a 29-1 finish.  He was named to the IBCA Class 1A/2A 1st Team all-state.  Last school year he was pursued aggressively by a host of strong Division III programs, had a lot of Division II and NAIA interest and, of course, accepted a full scholarship to NDSU.

Loras is getting a very good player with incredibly unique size and athleticism for a D3 PG.  Some links below...


Video - 2010 State Farm Holiday Classic championship (at IWU) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Si6MUpnynms)


Video - 2010 dunk contest (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ru8Jc5rN1Uc)


Video - Fieldcrest vs Peoria Manual, Class 2A Sectional (3/3/10) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WddRxqBBTrI&feature=related)


"The Perfect Pair - Ropp & Baxter guiding Fieldcrest to dream season" (2/4/10) (http://mywebtimes.com/archives/ottawa/display.php?id=397013)


2009-10 IBCA Class 1A/2A all-state team (http://members.ibcaillinois.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=31:ibca-1a2a-boys-all-state-teams&catid=3:general-news)


Video & story - News Tribune Player of the Year (3/18/10) (http://www.newstrib.com/articles/sports/todays-n-t-sports/default.asp?Article=FEF172EFFB9DE9E37C8DC73E5760946924CA1B4A0DA6462E&aname=VIDEO+AND+STORY%3A+Unbeatable+Baxter)


2010 Pantagraph all-area team (3/28/10) (http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/boys/article_46108298-3a00-11df-bc63-001cc4c03286.html)


Chicagohoops.com mention (4/20/10) (http://www.chicagohoops.com/articles1/tbaxter.html)


North Dakota State announcement of signing (4/26/10) (http://www.gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=2400&ATCLID=204937111)


"Area trio sparks 1A/2A North comeback win" (6/26/10) (http://www.pantagraph.com/sports/high-school/basketball/boys/article_c6a39682-81a6-11df-842a-001cc4c03286.html)


"A better Baxter - Fieldcrest star putting in summer work as he readies for DI hoops" (7/27/10) (http://mywebtimes.com/archives/ottawa/display.php?id=409725)


Video - WDAY YV, "The new guys" (NDSU feature) (http://www.wday.com/event/videos/vidid/18948/)
   

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 04, 2011, 05:53:41 PM
So Baxter will have to sit this semester and be eligible to play next year if he signed a letter of intent to play at NDSU and they released him following first semester?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 04, 2011, 09:18:10 PM
Conference play resumes tomorrow with some key match ups. Many used the holiday break to take a trip and gain some confidence by winning some non-conference games. Central and Luther remain atop of the conference as of January 5, however I expect things to change by  February 1st.
In the game of the night, Buena Vista travels to Duhawk country where both teams are coming off two non-conference wins. Many thought this would be for the conference race lead, however early problems have both teams down in the standings.
 Buena Vista's young guys continue to grow up and they take care of the ball and make free throws down to stretch win a big road game 74 to 68. Loras plays alot better then the first semester, but still has their spurts throughout the game that cost them. VanHaaften gets one more win closer to his 300th.
 In the game that features the only two remaining undefeated teams in the league, Central travels to Luther. Luther controls the tempo of the game with their style of play and uses home court advantage to move to 3-0 in the league for the first time in a long time. In a defensive battle Luther wins 64 to 56.
Coe travels to Dubuque where Taylor Blum has no trouble scoring and therefore losing. Dubuque wins 70 to 61 behind a great all around game by Blum.
Cornell uses a big 2nd half to fight off a young and pesky Simpson team and picks up a big home win against the Storm 73 to 64.

Tomorrows match ups set up what should be a great start to the 2nd half conference race.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 04, 2011, 09:26:37 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on January 04, 2011, 05:53:41 PM
So Baxter will have to sit this semester and be eligible to play next year if he signed a letter of intent to play at NDSU and they released him following first semester?

He is eligible immediately. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 05, 2011, 07:27:27 PM
I think Titan Q is right, since he is not going to a school at the same NCAA level, he is eligible to play right away and, if he gets playing time this early in his Loras experience, it may well propel Loras to a win over BV tonight. 

I, Dutch fan that I am, believe that the game of the night is between the two teams currently undefeated in the conference instead of the expected teams that got tripped up early.  Central has not played for awhile and that could be a problem, but I really don't see any team holding them to less than 60 points.  I think the Dutch could eek out a win at Luther.  The higer the score, the more likely Central wins, the lower the score, the odds move in Luther's favor. 

I think Coe-UD and Simpson-Cornell could be a toss up.  If I had to guess, I would pick UD and Cornell to win, but would not be surprised to be wrong.  Coe has the better chance of winning on the road if I had to guess with a road win over BV already to their credit. 

Good luck to all and stay healthy.  That goes double for the Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 05, 2011, 09:14:31 PM
Not sure what the situation is but Brock Caves and James Chapline, two starters for Central are not playing.  I don't know if they are there or not or why they are not playing.  The semester is over, but I don't believe either of these two should be having academic problems.  Would love to know what the reason is that they are not there -- academics? injury? rules?

The difference is showing early and could be a game changer for the Dutch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 05, 2011, 09:33:23 PM
Forgot to mention illness as a possible reason we are sitting two starters.  Right now, Luther is ahead by 5 with the ball and the scoring is low.  Given the previously unknown player situation, I reserver the right to say that the lower the score, the better Central's chances and the higher the score, the better Luther's chances.  Completely the opposite of what I expected.  But then, with two decent scorers out and players I have not seen play varsity for Central now getting playing time, the situation has changed.  Sadly, they don't seem to be playing well together, but I guess that shouldn't be a big surprise under the circumstances.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 05, 2011, 09:46:15 PM
Halftime in Decorah with Central, amazingly, up 24-21.  I was surprised when Central knocked off Loras at Loras, but if Central can win this game on the road tonight with two very solid starters sitting out, I will be stunned.  And I would reiterate my thought that Boschee is continuing to make a good case for COY consideration even though there is tons of season to be played.  I know, I know, my red glasses are on, but I really can't begin to tell you what a major difference the absence of these two players is.  I would have expected Luther to be taking it to us, and they still might, I'm sure their coach thinks they should be doing better.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 05, 2011, 09:57:22 PM
I can't get the video to load for the UD/Coe game ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 05, 2011, 10:09:48 PM
I think Luther's coach got his point across at the half.  Central is now behind by 10 and they are looking weak by comparison.  No rebounds at all for the Dutch this half. 

BV is up on Loras 60-45.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 05, 2011, 10:18:00 PM
I couldn't find the Coe-UD game either.  Too bad when other teams don't show the games the way they are supposed to. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 05, 2011, 10:49:47 PM
Dutch lost 53-48.  Not sure how I feel about this.  Proud of how the players that did play responded, will be really upset with the players that didn't play if they did something stupid to prevent them playing as I feel like we would have blown Luther out if they had been in there.  There were points where it was very clear that the players on the court were not used to playing with each other and that was understandable and should never have happened if Caves and Chapline didn't get to play because of a rules violation.  If it was a case of injury or illness, it is just a case of bad timing. 

I do not see Luther as a championship team if we were able to play them as well as we did tonight.  No offense to the Norse.  I listened to all but the first few minutes of the game because it must have started a shade early and I didn't tune in early.  I never once heard the announcers mention that Central was playing without two of the starters, and they didn't seem to realize it as the game went on.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on January 05, 2011, 11:22:38 PM
Happy to see the Beavers really handled the Duhawks tonight.  I knew Buena Vista had a 10 turnover or less game in them and tonight was the night!  As Coach VH likes to say, we are getting a little better each time we play.  The conference race looks to be tightening up very quickly.  Good work, Beavers!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on January 06, 2011, 08:08:26 AM
840 miles, that's what the distance is, just a little too far for a Saturday round-trip drive.  Buena Vista vs Luther at Storm Lake.  Thank the Lord, not Al Gore, for the Internet.  I'll trust the college communications geeks are on their game.  Streaming, it's what D3 basketball junkies call their "fix."  Hit me Beavers, it's the first of several 'must have' conference games this year.  Since I know so much, I picked the Norse for 7th on November 23rd.  Now, with my apologies and new found respect, the Decorah bunch are in first place!  A surprise to say the least.  My prediction, the game is a toss-up.  No guts, no glory.  I'll just say if the Beavers respect ball possession and play defense like they did at Loras, Buena Vista will win.  Here's another off-the-top (not much there most of the time) thought.  Which ever team wins this game will win the conference tourney in March.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 06, 2011, 01:52:49 PM
I think BV will handle Luther just fine.  Found out it was injuries keeping Caves and Chapline from playing as well as top replacement Jacob Winkler.  I knew another key player seemed to be missing, just couldn't think of who.  I don't think, in spite of their current position, that Luther will be in the hunt very long.  Sadly, if these injuries are serious, it might well take Central out of the hunt as well.  Too bad, because I honestly believed they were on their way to at least a share of another championship.  Not that I am writing them off by any means, but replacing 5 graduated starters is bad enough, replacing 3 more top players on top of that would be too much for any team. 

I'm ironically glad to hear it is injury rather than stupid behavior that kept them out of the game, but I hope they are minor, rather than season ending injuries.  Still incredibly impressed that Central was in the game right to the end and had opportunities that could have changed the outcome.  Props to the Dutch for fighting hard under such adversity!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 06, 2011, 10:33:46 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 06, 2011, 01:52:49 PM
I think BV will handle Luther just fine.  ... I don't think, in spite of their current position, that Luther will be in the hunt very long.  ...

Blasphemy ... we're small but slow ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 06, 2011, 11:25:43 PM
Swami say - Tempo determines outcome

A score <60 favors Luther
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 07, 2011, 12:28:35 AM
Are we seriously talking about Luther and Central having a chance to win the league come the end of February? I understand Luther is unbeaten and Central was unbeaten prior to last night, but posters come on. Central was good last year with a dominated senior class that was the best in the league. Luther is winning games scoring an average of 61 points (thats with scoring 62 points in one half against Coe). I'm sorry i'm not buying it yet, I hope I am wrong cause the IIAC could use some new teams at the top of the league, but I don't think its going to be Luther or Central this year. Luther can prove me wrong if they can go to Storm Lake and get a win. Time shall tell us all.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2011, 10:29:20 AM
Everyone has their own shades of glasses in which they view IIAC basketball.  Therefore, any scenario can be justified to put their team at the top of the heap...even Central and Luther!!!  

For me, I want to see UD win the conference title...with Blum averaging 10 3 pointers per game (50% of which he falls down afterwards) just to see if that could drive Klompen to drink :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 07, 2011, 10:39:53 AM
I am not seriously talking about Luther winning the league.  The Central team that you choose not to believe has a chance played them close at home with 2 starters and a top sub injured.  If a team you think will finish in the bottom half nearly beats them under those circumstances, I agree they won't likely stay at the top.  Then again, didn't both Luther and Central beat Loras, a team picked to win the conference by many?

As to Central, I didn't pick them to win the conference this year.  I did pick them to surprise some teams and they proved me right early with wins over Loras and Wartburg.  I do believe that they would have won the game had the team been healthy on Wednesday night, but all teams have to deal with injuries and unfortunately they hit the Dutch hard all at once.  Which is so ironic given that Central has not played for quite some time.  

Do I believe Central will battle for the championship?  I don't know, a lot will depend on how injured those players are, which I don't know.  But like last year, I'm not automatically giving it to BV either.  I think a healthy Dutch are much better than you are willing to believe and I happen to believe that BV is not the team that it used to be.  I think, for a time, BV absolutely ruled the conference, but they have let the rest of the conference start gaining on them in the same way that the rest of the conference gained on Central in football.  BV has to be considered a top team, but "a" top team, not "the only" top team.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 07, 2011, 10:42:16 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 07, 2011, 10:29:20 AM
Everyone has their own shades of glasses in which they view IIAC basketball.  Therefore, any scenario can be justified to put their team at the top of the heap...even Central and Luther!!!  

For me, I want to see UD win the conference title...with Blum averaging 10 3 pointers per game (50% of which he falls down afterwards) just to see if that could drive Klompen to drink :D

It might!  Unless of course, he has an off night against Central.  Then it won't bother me at all.   ;D  He might not have to fall down as much this year though, Doolittle, Central is considerably shorter this year, so it might not take as much effort.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 07, 2011, 12:59:51 PM
Teams flying under the radar

Quote from: Iowa Conference Men's Basketball Preview http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2010/11/16/MBB_1114101635.aspx?path=mbball
Coe head coach Pat Juckem says, "The last few years in the IIAC, a team has emerged that challenged for the title that flew under the radar.  We are working to continue this trend."

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 07, 2011, 02:01:25 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 07, 2011, 12:59:51 PM
Teams flying under the radar

  • 2009-10 = Cornell
  • 2010-11 = Central
  • 2011-12 = Luther???

Quote from: Iowa Conference Men's Basketball Preview http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2010/11/16/MBB_1114101635.aspx?path=mbball
Coe head coach Pat Juckem says, "The last few years in the IIAC, a team has emerged that challenged for the title that flew under the radar.  We are working to continue this trend."



I think you have to include Coe in those talks as well.  The Kohawks were picked for 7th in the league and coming off a four-win season last year.  Luther was at least picked for fifth in the league this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 07, 2011, 06:53:17 PM
I'm not hating on the Dutch by no means, they are 2-1 in the league with a couple of surprises, or are they surprises? What has Wartburg done yet? What has Loras done? Two teams picked to be at the top and they are combined 1-6 in league play! Typically very strong teams so got to give the Dutch credit cause they are winning games regardless of who they are playing. I do think the knights and duhawks will play better and find themselves in the middle to top by end of year. I don't know if there is any clear cut favorite at this point in time. BV is not a favorite in my mind right now, although they have won some games and are 3-1. But they have beat Wartburg 0-3, Loras 1-3, Cornell 1-3, and lost to Coe who is 3-1. So they are 3-1 against a combined schedule 5-10, losing to the one winning team. I think the league is wide open, but I feel teams that aren't used to being at the top will find a way to not finish at the top because they haven't been there before. Teams that can win on the road are going to have a chance to win the league. For Luther and Coe to win the league it starts this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 07, 2011, 07:15:38 PM
Coe @ Central... Is Central's line up still banged up? No one knows how long they will be out or how much of a factor they will be so I will have to go with the road team. I think Coe has surprised people and Juckem has his guys playing almost as well as he did when he inherited some good players from Brase. Coe wins on the road 76 to 70 due to the injured Central team.

Dubuque @ Wartburg... Wartburg has had along time (Dec. 8th) to think about being 0-3 in the league following a 82-48 setback in Storm Lake, and I think the trip to Vegas helped the Knights and they get their first conference win at home. Klompen rejoices even though Central loses, because Blum gets in foul trouble and is a non factor all game. Wartburg 78 to 68.

Cornell @ Loras- Baxter's debut? Does the team welcome him with open arms because they know they need something to help turn their season around? Or are some players bitter because he is taking a lot of minutes away from someone else? Baxter plays and plays well and the Duhawks start their climb up the IIAC standings. Loras wins 81  to 70.   

   Luther @ Buena Vista- What a game this should be in Storm Lake. Two different styles (Luther- Defensive, drag it out, slow tempo) vs Buena Vista (Offensive, uptempo, little defense). One style has to budge and I will go with the home team despite Luther being 3-0 in the league. Buena Vista is tough to beat at home, and are playing better and i think they find a way to beat Luther in a lower scoring game then BV is used to, 66 to 58.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 08, 2011, 06:11:34 PM
Luther up 25 in 2nd - whoa!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on January 08, 2011, 06:36:44 PM
Luther 70, Buena Vista 45.  Disappointed in the Beaver's mental preparation.  Norse never trailed.  Oh well, it's one loss .... but it's a hard one.  Must get ready for Dubuque or the conference race becomes a non-issue.  If it isn't already.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 08, 2011, 07:04:32 PM
Luther beating BV isn't a total shocker to me.  But the score is a tad eye popping to me!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 08, 2011, 07:25:54 PM
Dubuque wins AT Wartburg 69-67

Don't spoil my joy by telling me Wartburg is bottom of the table.  Just let me savor a close win on the road against a traditional conference power. 

If I had just studied up on the schedule a bit better I would have taken the kids up to Waverly for the double header.  I'm a bit bummed we missed this one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 09, 2011, 09:36:46 AM
Congratulations to Coe for really taking the Dutch to the woodshed for a wooping yesterday.  Go figure, the Dutch made runs against Luther and were in it at the end, with 3 injured (?) players and the injured players all returned to the starting line-up yesterday and the Dutch couldn't do anything well.  Coe certainly wanted it more and played with a ton on confidence.  They shot better, rebounded better, played much better defense and played as a team.  None of which Central did yesterday.  The Central that played yesterday was what I might have expected from them at the start of the season with 5 graduated starters.

But I don't see any excuse for the way they played yesterday.  The three injured players who didn't dress against Luther all started last night.  Things that make you go, hum?  Regardless, the Dutch started the season out like a house of fire and last night was a difficult game to watch.  Why does a team doing well get worse as the season goes on?  Maybe it was just an off night for shooting, that happens, but they did not seem to play as a team last night and their defensive effort was truly sad.  Coe had one shot under the basket where I don't think anyone was within 5 feet of the guy.  I suggest no more Christmas breaks for Central if they come back looking like the season is just starting.  Central was in the driver's seat being undefeated prior to Wednesday.  Now they are in danger of FALLING to everyone's expectations of them.  

Sorry, Dutch, but when you play like that, even I can't defend you.  The only good thing is that we weren't playing UD.  Blum would have had a field day yesterday!   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 10, 2011, 09:55:33 AM
Hey Doolittle, I know how you feel.  It is great winning somewhere that you haven't been able to win at in a long time.  Right now Central's road win at Loras and home win against Wartburg aren't looking all that impressive. 

I am hoping my Dutch will be able to regroup and bring back the fire, but right now it isn't feeling so good.  I did think Jack Bruns was giving his all on Saturday, but he was getting hammered constantly, so the output didn't show up. 

I hope Juckems finds a new job soon.  Not because they beat us, but because I was getting exhausted just watching him run his half-court all night.  Reminded me of when Gary Boeyink was Central's women's head coach. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 11, 2011, 11:19:32 AM
Big week ahead for Dubuque.  Hosting games against BVU and  Loras. http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=308251

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 12, 2011, 04:34:08 PM
Loras @ Wartburg- I really want to go with the home team tonight, but I think Gorton and the Duhawks got it figured out and find a way to win at Wartburg tonight- 75 to 70, Loras continues to play better.

BV @ Dubuque- BV can't play any worse can they? You would think not, but they are on on the road, in Dubuque with Taylor Blum running the show. I like the Spartans to win a close one down the stretch, BV is still in shock of the Norse beatdown. 73 to 70.

Central @ Simpson- Klompen is concerned what team is going to show up and Klompen will be concerned early as the the Swarming Storm jump all over Central, but Boschee fires them up at half and they win by 4. 78 to 74.

Luther @ Cornell- Luther goes back on the road, following the BV beatdown, but the Rams use their home court advantage as the Norse come out flat and the Rams pick up a big home win against the conference leading Norse. 67 to 60.

I was bad with the picks on Sat, hopefully be a little better tonight-  Thoughts, opinions! Let them fly!


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2011, 09:09:40 PM
None of your predictions would surprise me, IC.  Also, it wouldn't surprise me if every one of them was wrong.  Fence sitting, I know, but what I mean to say is I think there are a lot of coaches and fans wondering which team will show up on which night.  I like to think that the Dutch will rebound tonight and beat Simpson.  They have to play better than they did on Saturday. 

I also think BV might use Saturday's game as a wake up call that you have to do more than show up to win the game. 

Which Luther team will show up tonight?  I really don't think the team that played Central is anything like the team that took it to BV.  No way!

Wartburg and Loras might be the two most consistent teams playing right now, but they are playing consistently poorly, which team wants to win.  I just don't like Wartburg, so I want to say Loras, but it's a real toss up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2011, 09:32:52 PM
UD up 23-20 over BVU in the 1st half.  Refs letting the boys play.  Lot's of bodies from both teams hitting the floor with the refs not blowing any whistles.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2011, 09:46:12 PM
Dubuque leads BVU 35-32 at the half.  

UD football player Miles Hookstead with a solid 1st half for the Spartans with 10 points.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2011, 09:55:26 PM
Simpson up 27-25 over Central at the half.  Not impressed with Simpson's video, very blurred if you enlarge it, tiny if you don't.  I listened to the end of the Simpson-Central women's game, blowout by Simpson, and was really impressed with how professional sounding the woman doing the play by play was for the Storm.  She kept it interesting and quite unbiased, which may have been easier given the score, but I was impressed anyway.  Not nearly as impressed with the guys announcing the men's game.  Not that it would be easy, you wouldn't want to hear me announcing, but all the same, I wish the women's announcer was doing both games.  Simpson has a mid year transfer the way it sounds.  Can't tell how good he is with the blurry or tiny video, but he has played a lot.

Doolittle, how does UD lead 32-32?  That sounds like the way I call it when I play cards and we're tied.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2011, 10:02:09 PM
I corrected it...35-32 at the half.  I guess that 1 beer I drank tonight with dinner has impaired my typing ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2011, 10:11:17 PM
Glad to hear UD is ahead of BV, hope they still are at the half. 

How many times did SC announcer say the shot was "off the mark"?  Two less than the number of misses by both teams.  One shot was actually short and one was an airball by Simpson.

Oh, man, these guys are such homers!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2011, 10:24:57 PM
BVU up 10 on UD with 10:00 left in the game.

Klompen, I know what you're talking about with the Simpson announcers.  Students doing the game.  When Simpson made a half court shot at the 1st half buzzer against UD, the kid announcing the game shouted out that he had "just crapped his pants".  At that point I headed to bed and hoped that his college instructors informed him later in the week that he might not want to talk like that over the air!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2011, 10:29:10 PM
Well at least against UD, the announcer was the idiot.  They called one of Central's players an idiot tonight.  Classy, as always.   ::)  Central is down by 10 also.  Maybe I will check in on Loras and Wartburg or Cornell and Luther.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2011, 10:32:24 PM
Luther up 62-49 over Cornell.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2011, 10:37:58 PM
So I guess Luther is for real :D

BV up 2 over UD with 3:07 left in the game.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2011, 10:39:28 PM
Wartburg up on Loras by 1 when I tuned in, then they have done some good things, don't know what the score is now or how much time is left, but I would guess WB will win.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2011, 10:44:16 PM
WB up by 7 with 8 seconds left.  Chalk up another Loras loss.  Central's win is looking less impressive all the time.  Looks like they are going to fall to Simpson tonight, down by 11.  Looks like maybe they will be more what you would expect of a team that lost 5 starters.  The tough wins I thought we had aren't that impressive right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2011, 10:45:06 PM
72-72 in the BV/UD game with 1 minute left.  UD had a 9 point lead in the 1st half.  BV had an 11 point lead in the 2nd half.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2011, 10:52:56 PM
Nice buzzer beater by whats-his-name, Doolittle.  UD game is better to watch than Central's. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2011, 10:54:20 PM
Congratulations, Doolittle.  Oh yeah, UD too.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2011, 10:56:30 PM
Blum and Hookstead with big nights for UD.  Klompens favorite basketball and football players from UD :D

In less than a week UD has wins against Wartburg and BV with a game against Loras this weekend.  This is shaping up to be a pretty good week for the Spartans.  I think the announcer just said UD has won 7 of their last 9 games.  I'm starting to be cautiously optimistic for this team!!!

Klompen, I think Central will still have something to say in the conference this year.  Keep the faith. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 15, 2011, 06:37:02 PM
UD wins 82-74 @ Loras.  3 game conference winning streak for the Spartans.  Road wins at Wartburg and Loras with a home win against BV.  Maybe not this season, but those are pretty much the traditional conference powers.  I'm liking what I am seeing so far. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 15, 2011, 09:10:17 PM
Well, enjoy it now, Doolittle, Central comes to town Monday night.  Hoping they are getting their mojo back.   ;)  Okay, so they lost three of the last four and the win was against Cornell tonight by only 7.  I'm hoping that they are getting healthier and will go back to Dubuque with something to prove.  They did play better as a team tonight.  Not as consistent as I would like to see them.  Sometimes it looked like no defense at all and other times they played very good defense.  Get a little consistency going and maybe they can hit their stride. 

If not, there's this little bald headed voodoo doll of a UD player that I will be sticking pins in all night Monday night.   ;) ;) ;)

KJ Kool came off the bench to lead the Dutch with 16 points tonight.  Nice to see him making the most of his playing time.  Adrian Cave didn't play for the Dutch tonight, not sure why.  Still good to see someone else get a chance to step up and shine.

So how did the other teams do?  Central and UD win.  Loras and Cornell lose.  Any other scores?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 15, 2011, 09:16:53 PM
Coe 76 - Wartburg 67
Luther 57 - Simpson 45
UD 82 - Loras 74
Central 77 - Cornell 70

Well, Central may not win the conference, but they are doing better than Loras and Wartburg.   ;D  Of course, those early upsets are now looking more expected.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 16, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Good luck to the Dutch tomorrow as they match up with UD in Dubuque.  I will be watching and cheering from home, assuming UD live streams tomorrow night.  I think the Dutch can do it if they play together as a team, play tenacious defense (particularly on Blum, aka the Mark Holan defense), and get the ball to whoever has the hot hand, it may or may not be a starter, as was the case last night.  And hope that the refs are watching for Blum to be falling untouched after those 3 pt shots!   ;D

Go Dutch!

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 16, 2011, 12:39:24 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 16, 2011, 12:04:04 PM
Good luck to the Dutch tomorrow as they match up with UD in Dubuque.  I will be watching and cheering from home, assuming UD live streams tomorrow night.  I think the Dutch can do it if they play together as a team, play tenacious defense (particularly on Blum, aka the Mark Holan defense), and get the ball to whoever has the hot hand, it may or may not be a starter, as was the case last night.  And hope that the refs are watching for Blum to be falling untouched after those 3 pt shots!   ;D

Go Dutch!



Here you go...http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/dbq.portal#

No audio commentary for this game after having done the prior 3 games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 17, 2011, 08:24:07 PM
Thanks for the link, Doolittle!  I can do the audio myself just fine.  Like the Simpson guys, I'm more than a little partial, but I wouldn't think to put my comments on the air.  It's bad enough I put them here!   :D

I have a good feeling, not sure if it is about the game or just glad I'm done working for the day.  But I am going out on a limb with a Dutch win.  Yup, rose colored glasses are clearly in place tonight!  But hey, Central women won Saturday so anything IS possible.   ;D ;D ;D

Go Dutch!  Don't give Blum the opportunity to fall down tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 17, 2011, 08:26:07 PM
I just love the way I go to all these websites to watch games and they come up "Game Central".  Kind of a good omen, don't you think?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 17, 2011, 08:57:36 PM
Dubuque women beat Central 71-57...I predict a similar outcome in the mens game tonight :P
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 17, 2011, 09:37:52 PM
I don't know, the women are almost always losing.  The men's teams look pretty evenly matched so far.  Good game!  Maybe Central is doing so well because UD live stats have graduated Central seniors Miguel Ley and Zach Cooper listed as playing.   ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 17, 2011, 09:42:28 PM
Central up 42-39 at the half.  I'm willing to double both team's scores and call it a game.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 17, 2011, 09:43:14 PM
Central leading Dubuque 42-39 at the half.  I came downstairs just in time to see the final whistle.  I guess it's been a close game so far judging by Klompen.  Hope all goes well for the home team.  I'm heading back upstairs.  I might be able to catch the final few minutes of the 2nd half.  We'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 17, 2011, 10:26:48 PM
Central seems to be taking control in the second half, now leading by 16.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Phred on January 17, 2011, 10:51:27 PM
Central seems to have the game in hand.

Wartburg played a great game......Luther barely escaped with a 83-76 victory.  Knights were heavy in the first half but couldn't quite do it.

Could the NORSE be for real?  So far 7-0 in IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 17, 2011, 10:57:17 PM
Central won 97-81.  It was a very evenly matched first half and seemed to be that way early in the second half, then I took just a few minutes out to check laundry and Central had blown it open to an extent that UD did not know how to answer.  Must have been the threatened voodoo doll that did it as Central kept Blum in check finishing with 12 points.  Nice game by the Spartans.  

This was the Central that was playing so well prior to Christmas break.  With BV and Loras both on tap for this week, it is a good time to get back in the groove.  Looks like Central had some guys playing very well, but I'm not sure I trust the UD stats.  They did take Ley and Cooper off the stats list the second half, but I think they were crediting half of Jack Bruns' points to Cliff Antoine, who was doing well in the first half in spite of not getting into the game until the end of the second half.   ;)  Looks like Turner had a great game with 25 pts and 4-4 from 3 pt range.  

Very nice video by UD, nice and clear, far better than Simpson last week.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 17, 2011, 11:00:09 PM
Quote from: Phred on January 17, 2011, 10:51:27 PM
Central seems to have the game in hand.

Wartburg played a great game......Luther barely escaped with a 83-76 victory.  Knights were heavy in the first half but couldn't quite do it.

Could the NORSE be for real?  So far 7-0 in IIAC.

I'm not sure what to make of the Norse.  You have to give a lot of credit to the team out front at 7-0.  At the same time, they may not be playing consistent ball, so it all depends on if they can keep it together down the schedule.  But if Central can't do it again this year, I will be glad to have someone other than BV or Loras at the top.  Nice to see an underdog do well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 17, 2011, 11:02:02 PM
Sure hated to lose to Simpson last week, but feeling a little better about it seeing as Simpson beat BV tonight 83-77.  Coe took it to the Dutch when we played them, and tonight they barely escaped Cornell, 58-57.  Luther eeks out the win over Wartburg.  Interesting conference this year.  Lots of games yet to be played.  Welcome to the second half of the season and go Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 18, 2011, 12:08:57 AM
Did TP tradition cost game?
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cornellcollege.edu%2Fabout-cornell%2Fimages%2FTP%2520Toss.jpg&hash=daaa16b631bfbb3548755e295c3dcb0cb19b323e)

Quote from: Cornell SID http://www.cornellcollege.edu/about-cornell/images/TP%20Toss.jpgToilet Paper Toss.  Cornell's rivalry with Coe College in Cedar Rapids, the oldest athletic rivalry west of the Mississippi, has led to a few interesting traditions. For instance: each year, Rams fans celebrate the men's basketball team's first home basket of the year against Coe by filling the court with toilet paper streamers ... [resulting in a technical foul against the Cornell's crowd, giving Coe two free throws and the ball.]
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 18, 2011, 12:11:30 AM
Nah ... Rams missed multiple game-winners  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 18, 2011, 10:37:49 AM
Penn used to do the same TP tradition when Central played there.  Always knew we could count on two free points when we played them.  It may not have cost Cornell the game as all kinds of things could have gone differently, but it would be enough to make you wonder when you lose by 1.

Glad to have you over here 5WOL.  I was starting to think I was talking to myself, with input from DD.  Just like last year, the BV fans are starting to get awfully quiet. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 18, 2011, 11:08:21 PM
Thanks, but I'm lousy conversationalist
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 18, 2011, 11:11:11 PM
I miss IMC's predictions
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 19, 2011, 08:21:44 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 18, 2011, 11:11:11 PM
I miss IMC's predictions
I do too.  If I remember right though from last year, IMC stopped posting once it appeared BV had enough losses to no longer contend for the championship.  I hope I'm wrong and that IMC and CoeBB70 are both going to support their team no matter what. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 19, 2011, 11:26:01 PM
Central spots BV an 18-3 lead and goes down by 8 tonight.  From watching the game I'm guessing that the Dutch forgot they were playing in their own gym or they moved the basket as I have never seen Central throw up so many air balls in one game.  Might be able to excuse it on a strange floor, but on your own?  ??? ??? ???

Congratulations to BV, they played far more aggressively and the refs were letting them play, so it worked to their advantage.  They did a tremendous job on their offensive board getting lots of tap ins after a missed shot.  The Dutch looked so good Monday night and played sluggish early.  Maybe they gave their all keeping Blum in check.  Whatever, I'm counting on them to return the baskets to the normal spots and get back at it against Loras on Saturday.  They have to come out and prove they want it more every game.  Tonight, BV wanted it more.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 20, 2011, 07:58:21 AM
Dubuque hands Luther their 1st conference loss of the year in double OT. 

I guess I picked the wrong night to go to bed early and not watch.  I'm watching the game from the Luther site right now.  It looks like Luther pairs up a local radio guy with a team of students.  That's a nice way to do it.  I've been listening to him give the kids pointers all night.  He has done a great job.  I laughed a moment ago when he said with this game going into double OT the kids won't mind the extra work study money they are making for the night :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 20, 2011, 09:36:31 AM
Congratulations to UD for handing Luther that first lost.  Somebody had to do it, it was coming, they were just escaping too many times to keep up the luck. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on January 20, 2011, 10:37:27 AM
I think the Beavers "needed" the victory more than anything else.  It was Brian VanHaaften's 300 victory, an impressive total in so little time.  Coach VH is a class act, he earns and deserves his success out there on the cold shore of Storm Lake! The race is getting tighter.:)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 21, 2011, 09:23:00 PM
I didn't know anyone listened to me but I am glad I have been missed! I will try to be more of a regular poster! I am back with my thoughts on the last time since I posted...

Coe gets a huge road win at Central by 23, impressive by all means regardless of who played. Anytime you get a beat down like that on someones home court is impressive.

Loras gets well needed win at Cornell to get their 2nd half started off right.

Wartburg continues their struggles and Taylor Blum starts his trek to be on D3 Hoops team of week.

Luther goes to Storm Lake, and holds the home team to 32% shooting, mind you- 45 points! Luther scores 70 points- I don't know what score is more surprising!

Next week of games...

Taylor Blum gets the last laugh at home against BV as he sinks a 15ft with little time left to get a big 2 pt victory.

Simpson makes Klompen mad by getting a 10 pt win at home- Zanders has the Storm fighting for every point and really getting after it defensively.

Wartburg finally gets a W in conference play. Had Loras won, I think Wartburg gives up! Who would have thought Wartburg would have 1 win with 8 conference games played!

Luther puts up another 70 points and gets another road win at Cornell.

Next games...

Luther gets another win to stay atop leaderboard.

Coe continues to dominate at home and beats dismantled Knights.

Central bounces back and starts to fullfill Klompens new years wish.

   
     
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 21, 2011, 09:37:35 PM
Last weeks game to get my caught up in the action before I get to my picks!

Central wins offensive battle at Dubuque scoring 97 points in the victory! Does home court advantage not mean anything anymore?

Coe squeaks out a big road win in big rivalry game with Cornell. Love the toilet paper tradition, regardless if the final score ended up in a one point loss. D3 needs more things like this to get more fans/students to come out and support.

Luther continues to win, going to Waverly and getting a W. This Luther team must be different then most because they are scoring more then 60 points and winning games by scoring 83 points and giving up 76.

Storm continue their improvement by going to BV and getting big road win. Once again, does home court not matter? For a team picked to finish 2nd and have a worse home conference record then road record is a surprise for any team.

Wednesdays Games...

Simpson continues its winning ways by beating a struggling Wartburg team. I am still amazed at how bad Wartburg has been. Injuries will affect a team, but 1-7? There must be real issues in Waverly? Any insight?

Luther loses it first game of the year at home to a hot Dubuque team, led by Taylor Blum and company. The Spartans help tighten up the conference race with the win before they 2nd half conference schedule starts.

Buena Vista wins at Central in a game of runs. Turner plays well for Dutch, but BV must have found a way to limit him down the stretch. If I remember right, Dutch have had BV's number last 8-10 years at home? Klompen must be the reason:).

Loras wins at Coe, in their attempt to get hot and start making the conference interesting in their push to finish towards top half?

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 21, 2011, 09:50:55 PM
Quote from: coebball70 on January 20, 2011, 10:37:27 AM
I think the Beavers "needed" the victory more than anything else.  It was Brian VanHaaften's 300 victory, an impressive total in so little time.  Coach VH is a class act, he earns and deserves his success out there on the cold shore of Storm Lake! The race is getting tighter.:)
I'm not so sure Central fans are as impressed with Coach VH, not because he came from this area, but because he caught the inbounds pass Central through while on a run and he should not have been on the court!     If he wanted time out, he should have called for it from the sidelines, not be catching and inbound pass. 

But congratulations to him for getting win #300.  That is quite an accomplishment.  Must have been his Dutch roots.   ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 21, 2011, 09:53:13 PM
Ok now that I am caught up! Here are my picks for tomorrow and thoughts going forward...

Coe @ Wartburg... The Knights have dug themselves a hole, sitting at 1-7 is there any motivation left? I think so, Knights are young enough they continue to play hard and win a big one against Coe to log jam the conference race even more. 74 to 70 Knights. Danielson gets hot and Sathoff continues where he left off when he scored 34 and 14 against Simpson.

Loras @ Central- Call me crazy and hate me more Klompen, but I think Loras finds a way to get rolling and it starts/continues when they visit Pella. Both teams find themselves at 4-5 following the game, fighting to stay out of the bottom half.

Cornell @ BV- Cornell has been playing bad lately but Lott plays well and keeps Cornell in the game, but BV's big men prove to be too much and win a close one in shoot out 85 to 80.

Game of the night: Luther @ Simpson! Simpson has been playing well, Luther just lost one and are off their high horse. In a defensive battle, Luther loses two in a row and Simpson at 6-3 following the win moves into 2nd place.  The conference race heats up as we approach 2nd half.

Love to hear thoughts and opinions!

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 21, 2011, 09:59:26 PM
"I'm not so sure Central fans are as impressed with Coach VH, not because he came from this area, but because he caught the inbounds pass Central through while on a run and he should not have been on the court!     If he wanted time out, he should have called for it from the sidelines, not be catching and inbound pass. "

Hadn't heard that, but being a ref I am guessing he was asking for a Time out after a made basket by his team? One official I bet was watching the inbounder and the other one was running down the court, I had this happen to me in a recent game where the coach was in the corner right in front of me on the court trying to get a TO, after the ball was inbounded. With the time of game and score, I was locked in and didn't hear him, but granted him the TO....We heard it the rest of the game from the fans, just glad the game wasn't close at the time.

Did you see this in person Klompen?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 21, 2011, 10:04:52 PM
Welcome back IMC and CoeBB70, glad to have you back here, even if it took beating Central to get you back here.  ;D

This Central team has me equal parts proud and frustrated, it all depends on which team shows up.  They go up to UD and play like they were playing prior to Christmas break.  I think, good, things are back on track!  Then BV comes to town and Central shoots the lights out.  No, not saying they shot well, literally meaning they seems to come closer to shooting the lights out than to hitting the basket, or the rim, or the backboard...   ??? ??? ???

Get those contacts checked boys, I think a few of you got your prescriptions mixed up.  Usually I only think the refs are blind, but they did pretty good by comparison.   ::)  Here's hoping they can beat Loras tomorrow.  All depends which team shows up.  

With the possible exception of the night we played Luther without 3 players, all of whom have started at least part of the time, if not regularly, I think Central was outplayed in the games they lost.  Coe clearly outplayed us in every phase of the game.  BV really hit the boards hard and their height advantage got them a lot of tip in points that made the difference.  But Central didn't appear to be trying consistently, they did during their runs, but then they let up again.  Much as I HATE to say it, even Simpson really outplayed us.  So no excuses, if you don't come and play 40 solid minutes, you don't win.  And, no, home court doesn't mean anything this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 21, 2011, 10:12:16 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on January 21, 2011, 09:53:13 PM
Love to hear thoughts and opinions!
I think Coe beats Wartburg.  I think Wartburg needs a coaching change. 

Central players get the right contacts in and beat Loras at home.  They were off Wednesday, in true inconsistent form, they will be on tomorrow. 

I think Cornell-BV will tell us if home court means anything tomorrow.  I think Cornell has a better chance than most think, but BV does have a lot of height and that made a difference in the outcome at Central, so this on could go either way.  I will give home court edge to BV. 

I also think Simpson is playing well now and give them the nod for a win tomorrow. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 21, 2011, 10:20:05 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on January 21, 2011, 09:59:26 PM
"I'm not so sure Central fans are as impressed with Coach VH, not because he came from this area, but because he caught the inbounds pass Central through while on a run and he should not have been on the court!     If he wanted time out, he should have called for it from the sidelines, not be catching and inbound pass. "

Hadn't heard that, but being a ref I am guessing he was asking for a Time out after a made basket by his team? One official I bet was watching the inbounder and the other one was running down the court, I had this happen to me in a recent game where the coach was in the corner right in front of me on the court trying to get a TO, after the ball was inbounded. With the time of game and score, I was locked in and didn't hear him, but granted him the TO....We heard it the rest of the game from the fans, just glad the game wasn't close at the time.

Did you see this in person Klompen?
I did see it in person and it was after his team made a basket.  Not saying he didn't have the right to ask for a TO, just not by stopping the game.  Which he didn't have much choice in since he was in the direct path between the two Central players.  But as a true Central fan, and given that things were tight at the time, you can understand why a lot of Central fans were thinking he should have had a technical for being on the floor/interfering with the game. 

BV deserved the win, they showed they wanted it more.  So I'm not really arguing that.  Heck if Central had just not shot about 10 major air balls, it would have made more of a difference.  That still just blows my mind.  The home team should know where their own basket is, shouldn't they? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 22, 2011, 07:58:53 PM
Central men all wear their own contacts and not a Central air ball in sight today as the Dutch jump out to a huge early lead then hang on to win 78-66.  Saw the transfer, Baxter, play for Loras and decided that the highlight videos I watched of him did just what they were meant to do.  They made him look good.  I think that he can make a real contribution at Loras the longer he is with the team, but he wasn't overly impressive in today's game, even though he did come in and score 4 of the team's first 6 points.  Problem was, that was after they spotted Central something like an 18-2 lead or better. 

In other games, Coe beat Wartburg 82-72, which was in line with my predictions.  Luther beat Simpson 77-65, which I had predicted might go the other way.  I just base too many of my Luther predictions on how they played against Central, but apparently that was their off night.  BV and Cornell are at the half with BV trailing by one, 26-27, so it is really anybody's game at the half.

Congratulations to all of today's winning teams, particularly the Dutch.  Loras may be down, but a sweep of Loras men in basketball has been a long time coming for the Dutch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 22, 2011, 10:44:12 PM
Wart's miss uberfrosh McCarville (18.4 ppg) ... redshirting/ACL
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 23, 2011, 03:18:57 AM
Home teams go 2-2 on Saturday night--  Central and BV get big home wins and Luther and Coe get big road wins. Wartburg and Loras continue their struggle as they maintain their spot in the middle of the league. Cornell and Wartburg continue their spiral at 1-8 in the league. BV was the only disappointment in the night, only winning by 3 at home against Cornell. Luther gets a big road win against hot Storm team, getting to the free throw line proved to be the difference in the game. Luther is showing why they will win the league by winning on the road. Rest of league is up for grabs! Disappointing nights include Loras losing at Central, however give it up to Demarco Turner- who will be player of week in IIAC, chance for D3 Hoops team of week?  Got a chance with the game he had against BV and Loras!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 23, 2011, 09:46:45 AM
I'm hopefull that seeing Loras and Wartburg...and to an extent, BVU struggle this season that this will carry over into the football season next fall.  Not that I want to see Central or Warty have bad seasons...I just want to see a school that traditionally doesn't shine...like, um, I don't know, say Dubuque, perhaps have a great year ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 23, 2011, 10:54:23 AM
What's fueling Coe's success?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 23, 2011, 11:18:05 AM
What's fueling Coe's success?

I haven't seen them play this year, but if you look at their stats they have 3 guys shooting over 40% from the arch with over 30 makes. They shoot as a team 37% from the arch and 45% from the field. So in games they have lost I am guessing they haven't shot it well from the arch?

In Loras loss, they were 6-26 from arch for 23%
In Ashford loss they were 7-26 from arch for 26%
In Luther loss, they were 10-22 but forgot to guard Luther as they scored 62 points in 2nd half and shot 80%.

In all there conference games, they have either shot better then their opponent from the field and in the 2 they did not( those two games there was a slim margin in fg%), they made up for it by making 4-6 more 3's then that team.

So my conclusion: They are shooting it well from the arch at 37% as a team, there fg % is better then their opponents in all but 2  conference games, but its there defense that is winning them games. They only shoot 45% as a team, but 37% from the arch with good defense wins you games this year in the league. Not to mention, the improved play of Mataloni and leadership by Tatman. I also think Juckem likes this team and fits into his system very nice and he is doing a great job coaching them.

Then again, what do I know? Thats just based off of stats.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 23, 2011, 11:28:18 AM
Very informative - Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 23, 2011, 09:45:47 PM
Central graduated a lot of really strong players this year in football and I am always fine with WB being down in football, so who know Doolittle, maybe the basketball fruit basket upset will continue on into the fall.  Wouldn't it be funny though if it was Cornell, rumored to be leaving the conference, that ended up shining on their way out?  Nah, just give me Central in first and then UD can be anywhere else they want.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 23, 2011, 09:50:02 PM
Coe shot incredibly well from absolutely everwhere when they played Central.   :'(  We couldn't even make a game out of it, they took us out of it early with hot shooting and really didn't let up much.  Central got so far behind so fast that we had to hurry things up and take desparate shots much of the night.  It was not a fun game to attend.  Unless you were for Coe, that is.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 25, 2011, 12:12:09 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 23, 2011, 10:54:23 AM
What's fueling Coe's success?

Is this even a question?

It's the crunchberries!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 25, 2011, 11:12:59 AM
PH, bet you like my selection for newbie conference champ in football listed above. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 25, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
Central (5-4) @ Wartburg (1-8)- Demarco Turner fresh off his IIAC performer leads the way early, continuing to hit 3's and getting his teammates involved but  Klompen quits watching and the Knights take Turner out of the game and Wartburg finds a way to steal one down the stretch as Central has no answer for Sathoff. Danielson hits a big 3 late to give Wartburg its 2nd win of the year in a 74 to 72  doozy in Waverly.

Buena Vista (5-4) @ Luther (8-1)- Buena Vista needs this game to move up in the standings, and put some pressure on the Norse as the 2nd half schedule has just begun. Luther has proved they are for real, but can BV play any worse then they did at home? Couple things must go right for BV, they must answer the early run by Luther and then make Luther pay for their mistakes defensively. I will take BV in the upset 68 to 64.

Cornell (1-8)   @ Dubuque (5-3)- Cornell gave BV a run at their place, but winning in Spartan land is tough to do with Taylor Blum leading the way. Cornell runs into a shooting display and the losses continue for the Rams. Lott shows why he is an all conference player as he keeps his team in it early. Sparty wins 80 to 67.

Simpson(5-4) @ Loras (3-6)- Simpson has impressed me and will continue to impress me, but not Wednesday night. Winning at Loras has been tough in the past but the Duhawks have found something that has worked recently and I think they show why they were picked to win the league in the 2nd go around in conference action. I will take the Duhawks by 9. 76 to 67.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 25, 2011, 05:54:11 PM
Hey, IC...Dubuque game tomorrow is @ Cornell...don't know if that will affect your prognostication
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Purple Heys on January 25, 2011, 06:44:02 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 25, 2011, 11:12:59 AM
PH, bet you like my selection for newbie conference champ in football listed above. 

:o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 25, 2011, 10:56:28 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on January 25, 2011, 03:39:26 PM
... Duhawks have found something that has worked recently ...

Huh?  They're 2-4 in January.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 26, 2011, 09:18:42 AM
Central, Luther, UD and Simpson all win tonight in my crystal ball.  After tonight, IMC finally realizes that BV and Loras may have been the conference powers, but even the mighty can fall and it is possible that a team not dubbed the Beavers or Duhawks can and will win the conference for a second straight year.  It may not be Central this year, but BV and Loras only have one shot at the playoffs this year and that is through the IIAC tourney.  If they can make it there. 

Oh, that brings back painful memories of the fact that Central had a 5-5 football season once in the past 45-50 years.  The shame of it all!   ;)
Title: Tonight's winners
Post by: Klompen on January 26, 2011, 09:25:44 AM
Central, Luther, UD and Simpson all pick up wins tonight.  Loras and Wartburg start to realize that it is an uphill battle to make the conference tourney.  Ouch!  Kind of reminds me of the shame of the Central football team that finished 5-5, unfortunately Loras and WB can't blame the coach for freaking them out with a motor oil annointment right before a big game.   ;) 

IMC, time to accept that Loras just isn't what it used to be in basketball.  Just hope that BV isn't in for a similar fall.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 26, 2011, 04:52:33 PM
That's why everyone has their opinion and I also have mine. I know little about the teams but can look at stats and know the history of the league and the coaches in the league. I know VanHaaften and Gorton have had their success in the league especially recently and will always take them in big games when their back is against the wall. I hope Klompen is right and we have some parity in the league. No only with the parity but the consistency of teams being good for an extended period of time. For example Cornell, they win the league a couple of years ago and back towards the bottom of the league now. If the IIAC could ever get to the power of the WIAC, D3 basketball in Iowa would be great with 2-3 teams making the national tournament. I hope I am still around for those days, my time is limited!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 26, 2011, 04:55:20 PM
5 words of less- my comment to finding something that worked for Loras was in regards to their offense. They are averaging 8 more points a game since x-mas....now they only need to work on there defense. Which they will show tonight against the Storm.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 26, 2011, 08:58:01 PM
Sorry for the double post earlier.  I was posting it and the internet froze up on me.  When I came back, it said that it had not posted and asked me to repost, then both posts went through.  Kind of the way my luck runs. 

Hope the Dutch have much better luck tonight and that Demarco has a fantastic night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 26, 2011, 09:09:11 PM
UD women come from WAY behind to pull out a 4 point victory over Cornell in the opening game tonight.  Hopefully the Spartan men can get an early lead and coast to an easy victory on the hilltop tonight. 

Good luck to your Dutch tonight Klompen...I'll be on here most of the night...I think.  You never know if my kids will start acting up on me ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 26, 2011, 09:41:57 PM
Thanks, Doolittle, good luck to your Spartans too.  Even though it would help Central if they lost.  Hard being torn between what's good for our team and what's good for our friends. 

Central is ahead by 3 at the half, even though they spotted WB a 14-2 lead early and really struggled.  Our leading scoring Demarco Turner is having an off shooting night, but at least they aren't air balls, like against BV.  Jacob Winkler, is helping pick up the slack and is 6-6 from the free throw line.

How is UD doing?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 26, 2011, 09:45:15 PM
Forgot to mention that 16 of Central's 31 points are from the charity stripe.  WB's tall guys are in foul trouble with one having 3 fouls and 2 having 2 fouls.  Hope the Dutch really take it to them and make them foul or give us open shots the second half.  Jack Bruns has 12 points for Central.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 26, 2011, 09:53:40 PM
Loras is up by 9 over Simpson in the second half and Luther leads BV 42-25 early in the second.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 26, 2011, 09:55:43 PM
I ended up missing the 1st half.  Cornell is up 46-31 at halftime.  I'd call it a night and go to bed.  But the UD women were down 12 at the half and 21 points at one point in the game earlier tonight and they came back on won by 4 points.  So who knows. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 26, 2011, 10:44:17 PM
Well, Doolittle, if UD kicks it in they can make me 4-4 on my picks. 

Central won 66-57 over Warty
Luther beat BV 69-62
Simpson beat Loras 67-66
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 26, 2011, 11:02:29 PM
BV, Loras, and Warty all lose...interesting.

Dubuque up 2 on OT with about 1 1/2 minutes left in the OT
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 26, 2011, 11:03:42 PM
Doolittle, you better not have given up on this game.  It is in OT with UD making a FT with no time in regulation to bring it to OT.  If you gave up early, you missed one big dunk and watching the backboard sway afterwards.  I thought it would shatter with that much movement.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 26, 2011, 11:10:51 PM
Yeah, when the refs blew the whistle and I saw the backboard shaking I thought it had broke.  I came back downstairs with the game already in OT.

UD women and men make gigantic come from behind victories tonight. 

Then men win in OT 85-84...WOW
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 26, 2011, 11:13:56 PM
Nice effort by the Spartans to make me 4-4, but I have to admit feeling a bit sorry for the Rams in this one.  They gave it their all, but came up short in OT.  I have seen Central men there so often in recent years.  But UD did what they had to do and it was a great game to watch the end of.  Congratulations to all of tonights winners.  No changes at the top of the conference though, darn it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 26, 2011, 11:15:05 PM
These Cornell kids doing the broadcast gave it a good effort.  And I know they aren't majoring in broadcasting.  But I like how Luther does it by pairing up a professional with a team of kids helping out.  

Now I'm off to savor this victory.  Congrats Klompen.  I told you Central had some wins in them this season...even if Warty isn't exactly a world beater this year ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 27, 2011, 12:12:45 AM
A great night of picks for Klompen. Also Klompen did you pay the officials at Wartburg? Central shoots 33% and Wartburg 37%, but Central shoots 34 free throws and makes 26 compared to 15-21 for the home team! Happy to see Winkler play well for the Dutch! Keep them going Klompen! Big time come back for Dubuque and a huge road win. BV struggled once again with Luther but made a big time come back to make it somewhat of a game. Loras can't find a way to win at home, and loses heart breaker at home. Got to love IIAC basketball! Only one road team wins! Should be interesting finish as one game separates teams 3-6 in the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 27, 2011, 08:04:59 PM
Luther should have their trip to the conference tourney all sewed up and Coe has to be close.  It could get real interesting after that.  The Dutch are doing me proud in that they are still competing for a home game possibility come tourney time.  They get Luther, UD and Simpson at home yet with BV, Coe and Cornell one the road.  I think they have the potential for 5 wins if they play well and wear their own contacts.   ;D

My crystal ball says Coe at Coe is going to be the hardest, but none of them will be give me games and they will have to stop playing streaks of basketball.  This spotting the other team a 14 point lead has got to go, though I am perfectly happy with other teams spotting the Dutch a similar lead.   :D  A full game is 40 minutes, but the Dutch don't seem to want to play hard all 40.  That was what was different about last year's teams, they played every game start to finish hard and it paid off big time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 27, 2011, 08:31:32 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 27, 2011, 08:04:59 PM
Luther should have their trip to the conference tourney all sewed up and Coe has to be close.  It could get real interesting after that.  The Dutch are doing me proud in that they are still competing for a home game possibility come tourney time.  They get Luther, UD and Simpson at home yet with BV, Coe and Cornell one the road.  I think they have the potential for 5 wins if they play well and wear their own contacts.   ;D

My crystal ball says Coe at Coe is going to be the hardest, but none of them will be give me games and they will have to stop playing streaks of basketball.  This spotting the other team a 14 point lead has got to go, though I am perfectly happy with other teams spotting the Dutch a similar lead.   :D  A full game is 40 minutes, but the Dutch don't seem to want to play hard all 40.  That was what was different about last year's teams, they played every game start to finish hard and it paid off big time.

Yeah, those intrasquad scrimmages are tough! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 27, 2011, 11:38:59 PM
Klompen I think last years team was senior driven and had great leadership. That makes a big difference in finishing games, playing forty minutes and being consistent. Central has been a surprise and would rather be there then be a disappointment like Loras and Wartburg thus far! Shall be a fun 2nd half, hopefully with some interesting games. Best thing about it is only one team is going to get in and will be interesting if Luther can win the league and conference championship. I have 2nd guessed them all year and will continue to do it-- Central proved me wrong last year, we will see if Norse can do the same this year! Can we get some Norse posters on here?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 29, 2011, 01:02:47 AM
This weekend of games has me excited. I think something out of the ordinary is going to happen. One of top teams in the league is losing and then the two teams in the cellar play each other. Someone has to get their 2nd win of the year.  I think all match ups are evenly matched and could make for a good day of basketball?  Atleast I hope so--

Central @Coe--  I find it hard to believe that Central can go into Coe and steal a win,  but if Turner can get hot, control the tempo and offense and Coe doesn't shoot well from the arch it can happen! I just think too much has to go right for the Dutch for them to win. I will take Coe by 8. 79 to 71.

Luther @ Loras- I am going to continue to pick against the Norse because its a long season and I think they lose before the season is over and they are ripe to lose. They got a good win against BV and now go to Loras. You guys can call me crazy but I will get one of these right. Might as well start tonight. Loras 69 to 67.

Simpson @ Dubuque- Both teams are coming off great wins and Simpson has to make the return back to Dubuque and go for the sweep. As well as Simpson has been playing, I think the Dubuque win at Cornell gives them a little pop in the step and they find a way to beat the Storm. The Storm have no answer for Blum and Sparty wins 78 to 69.

Wartburg @ Cornell- In the cellar game of the night, someone has to win right? I will take the visiting team. Cornell is coming off a tough loss in overtime in a game they should have won, I think that affects their play and could see them losing by 10 plus. Too bad Wartburg doesn't have the pop to deliver such a blow. I will take Wartburg by 4. Post play beats good guard play. Wartburg 75 to 70.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 29, 2011, 11:06:52 AM
My picks for today are:
Luther beats Loras, Luther has too much going for it and and Loras is down and nearly out.
Simpson and UD could go either way, did UD give everything it had the other night and play tired today?  Ah, Doolittle is a good guy, so I have to go with UD, besides I put my Blum voodoo doll away until the next Central match up.   :D
Wartburg at Cornell is another that could go either way, I tend to think Cornell unless the heartbreak of Wednesday night does their spirt in.  But I don't like WB, so I go with a worn out Cornell for the win.
Coe and Central.  Coe destroyed Central in Pella.  Do the Dutch have it in them to show that was a fluke game?  Yes, they do, but help from Coe having an off game as the Dutch did here would sure help.  Can Central do it, yes, but if I have to pick, I'm sorry to say I suspect Coe will win.  Would be glad to be wrong though!  Go Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 29, 2011, 06:45:41 PM
Way to prove I should never guess against my own Dutch!  Central wins a nail-biter by 3 at Coe 66-63.  Great job, Dutch.  You guys continue to make us Central fans proud, even if I am the only one saying it.  So glad to be wrong on that guess, glad you had something to prove and did it.  Keep up the winning ways and finish out the rest of the conference strong.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 29, 2011, 06:54:52 PM
The conference race tightens up again as Luther, Coe, Simpson and Cornell all lose.  Okay, so the Cornell game really doesn't play into things, but the other three all help Central.  It will be a very interesting and exciting finish to the conference season.  Nice to see the Dutch get a great road win, that was the one game that I thought was not one we could win based on our prior meeting.  Come on Dutch, prove you can lose all 5 senior starters and still come back and win the conference.  I won't pick against you again!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 29, 2011, 11:14:38 PM
Dubuque finished in a tie for 2nd place in the conference last season.  Dubuque is currently in a tie for 2nd place in the conference for this season.  Ah, this is taking me back to my college days when the Spartans were finishing in 1st or 2nd place every season.  And is making me forget about those sub 10 win seasons for the late 90's and early part of the last decade. 

Good job Spartans...keep it up and lets finish this season strong!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on January 30, 2011, 02:41:12 AM
Glad the Duhawks finally made one of my picks come true. Happy for Klompen and the dutch going to Coe and getting payback. Sparty holds on and the Knights start a push to move up, oh wait they played Cornell, a team that is worse then them. Love the conference race we now have. There is going to be a real battle for the conference 5th and 6th seed and 2-6 could go all different ways. I guess thats why conference basketball is so exciting. Wartburg may not to mathematically eliminated from the 6th seed, but pretty close. It will be interesting if Cornell and Wartburg can sneak up on anyone and ruin someone season. Big games for Wednesday include: Central vs Dubuque, Buena Vista vs Loras--Will be interesting to see if the Duhawks can tighten up the conference race a little more and Central or Dubuque can continue to climb up in the win column. Other games should be easy wins for favorite, oh wait this is college basketball- nothing is easy or a guarantee.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 30, 2011, 10:03:50 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 29, 2011, 11:14:38 PM
Dubuque finished in a tie for 2nd place in the conference last season.  Dubuque is currently in a tie for 2nd place in the conference for this season.  Ah, this is taking me back to my college days when the Spartans were finishing in 1st or 2nd place every season.  And is making me forget about those sub 10 win seasons for the late 90's and early part of the last decade. 

Good job Spartans...keep it up and lets finish this season strong!!!
I think Central had back to back 5 win seasons before Boschee came along.  And then there is the women's team that once won the National Championship and can't get out of the cellar now.  The sad thing is they have some talented players, who I give a ton of credit to for staying out.

Oh, and Doolittle, look for me to sneak that Blum doll and a number of pins into the gym come Wednesday night.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 30, 2011, 10:18:43 AM
IC, no surprise that I think the Dutch may be primed for a move up the conference ladder right now.  Red glasses aside, that win yesterday against Coe was huge for the Dutch.  They were beaten in every phase of the game at home against Coe and to come back and win at their gym has to be a tremendous confidence builder.  This is the Central that should have never taken a long Christmas break that killed their momentum.  Changing the Coe results will give Central new confidence going on the road to places like BV, that have not been friendly confines for the Dutch. 

Even though the home floor has not always been favorable for many teams this year, including the Dutch, Wednesday they play UD who they beat on the road, so of course I favor them to win at home.  Then a string of nice wins adds to the momentum of getting payback on some other teams, Simpson, Luther, BV...

The Dutch are back on track and with no scheduled breaks before the end of the season, I see a nice finish and a high standing at the end of the season that nobody would have predicted given last year's graduation results. 

The question for me is how will the other teams in unexpected positions respond.  Can Luther keep it up?  How do Loras, Wartburg and BV respond to disappointing seasons thus far.  I would never have expected them to be where they are now.  I didn't have WB listed as high as most, but I didn't see them that low either.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on January 31, 2011, 12:28:31 PM
For my first post on the Basketball Post Patterns, I will offer some creative criticism to all of the people who operate the cameras that are used to provide web-streaming of basketball games.  Please briefly show the scoreboard every so often.  I'm not complaining you understand.  I know no one owes me a webcast of IIAC basketball games.  But, as I was watching the end of the Central Coe game Saturday, I could tell it was close and I could tell time was running out.  I just couldn't get the details since there was no audio and the live stats only seemed to get updated about every ten minutes.  So thanks to the people at Coe who sent me the webcast.  If you would like my advice on how you could make it even better, please give us about a five second shot of the scoreboard every so often when the clock is stopped.  Otherwise, Go Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TheSportsFan on January 31, 2011, 01:05:44 PM
Things are about to get quite tight in the top of the conference.

Luther has seen two recent losses in conference play....but their biggest loss may have been the injury to starting freshmen point guard Michael Crocker.

Rumor is that Crocker may have suffered a broken ankle and be done for awhile (possibly the year), though I have yet to hear confirmation after the initial guesses.

If Crocker is done, Luther drops from a top 3 team and becomes a team that will struggle to compete in the tournament.  They have done a good job to basically solidify their way into the tournament, now their goal should be to nab one of the two byes to give themselves a chance in the tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2011, 05:11:02 PM
Quote from: Fannosaurus Rex on January 31, 2011, 12:28:31 PM
For my first post on the Basketball Post Patterns, I will offer some creative criticism to all of the people who operate the cameras that are used to provide web-streaming of basketball games.  Please briefly show the scoreboard every so often.  I'm not complaining you understand.  I know no one owes me a webcast of IIAC basketball games.  But, as I was watching the end of the Central Coe game Saturday, I could tell it was close and I could tell time was running out.  I just couldn't get the details since there was no audio and the live stats only seemed to get updated about every ten minutes.  So thanks to the people at Coe who sent me the webcast.  If you would like my advice on how you could make it even better, please give us about a five second shot of the scoreboard every so often when the clock is stopped.  Otherwise, Go Dutch!

Agree with your sentiment completely.

Post Patterns for hoops is called Posting Up, by the way. Glad people still remember the old names!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 31, 2011, 09:48:10 PM
Quote from: Fannosaurus Rex on January 31, 2011, 12:28:31 PM
For my first post on the Basketball Post Patterns, I will offer some creative criticism to all of the people who operate the cameras that are used to provide web-streaming of basketball games.  Please briefly show the scoreboard every so often.  I'm not complaining you understand.  I know no one owes me a webcast of IIAC basketball games.  But, as I was watching the end of the Central Coe game Saturday, I could tell it was close and I could tell time was running out.  I just couldn't get the details since there was no audio and the live stats only seemed to get updated about every ten minutes.  So thanks to the people at Coe who sent me the webcast.  If you would like my advice on how you could make it even better, please give us about a five second shot of the scoreboard every so often when the clock is stopped.  Otherwise, Go Dutch!

That's weird.  Audio feed over the video feed was working just fine for me.  Did  you have the volume muted?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 31, 2011, 10:03:17 PM
I listened to the Pella radio station broadcast of the game while watching the Coe game.  I can't comment on Coe's announcers and the Dutch announcers did a good job of letting you know the score, but agree that it would be nice to have more frequently updated stats as the Coe live stats seemed half-dead.   ;)  They were not real time live stats by any means.  One school, can't remember which at the moment did a real nice job by having a real time score board always showing in an inconspicuous part of the screen.  I want to say it might have been Loras, but I truly do not recall.  Also, many of the schools do have the live stats updating pretty close to live timing and that helps a lot.   Most do go to a scoreboard shot at time outs, but I do love whichever school incorpoarated it into the screen 100% of the time.

Welcome to the IIAC posting up board, FR.  I hope you watch more of the season as it is bound to be interesting the rest of the way out.  Central has a nasty habit of spotting opponents a nice early lead, then having to dig their way out, but hopefully they will get a handle on that.  I think Boschee is just the coach to keep the Dutch in the hunt for the conference championship now that he established that we could win it as happened last year.  I doubt anyone would have given the Dutch a shot at being where they are now with all of last year's senior starters graduating.  The Dutch may become a regular contender in basketball, just as they are in football.  Would love to see it happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 31, 2011, 10:59:29 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 31, 2011, 10:03:17 PM
I listened to the Pella radio station broadcast of the game while watching the Coe game.  I can't comment on Coe's announcers and the Dutch announcers did a good job of letting you know the score, but agree that it would be nice to have more frequently updated stats as the Coe live stats seemed half-dead.   ;)  They were not real time live stats by any means.  One school, can't remember which at the moment did a real nice job by having a real time score board always showing in an inconspicuous part of the screen.  I want to say it might have been Loras, but I truly do not recall.  Also, many of the schools do have the live stats updating pretty close to live timing and that helps a lot.   Most do go to a scoreboard shot at time outs, but I do love whichever school incorpoarated it into the screen 100% of the time.

Welcome to the IIAC posting up board, FR.  I hope you watch more of the season as it is bound to be interesting the rest of the way out.  Central has a nasty habit of spotting opponents a nice early lead, then having to dig their way out, but hopefully they will get a handle on that.  I think Boschee is just the coach to keep the Dutch in the hunt for the conference championship now that he established that we could win it as happened last year.  I doubt anyone would have given the Dutch a shot at being where they are now with all of last year's senior starters graduating.  The Dutch may become a regular contender in basketball, just as they are in football.  Would love to see it happen.

I watch most of the Coe hoops games on streaming.  The live stats were up all day for the women's game, but really slow for the men.  Something must have been up, as they normally are fine.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 01, 2011, 12:13:29 AM
Thanks, KK.  That could easy be that it was just a temporary glitch, we all know what that's like.  Kind of like WB winning the conference in football.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 01, 2011, 11:45:13 AM
I'm going to get an early start on my guesses for Wednesday night, assuming the games can get played.  I should have stopped with my ONE 4-4 performance, but no, I had to go and try again only to get 1 of 4 right.  Now that I've blown it, I might as well continue.   :)

Central is going to provide the screwed up contacts from the BV game to Blum who will only be able to shoot air balls for the night.  Dutch win, but too close for comfort.

Coe is going to hold the toilet paper and start and end the game with a bang.  They want to respond well after the disappointment of losing to Central after killing us at home.  Coe wins big at home.

BV vs. Loras in a fight for a conference tourney spot game with neither team playing particularly inspried ball.  Does Loras freshman transfer Baxter hit his stride in this game?  I think so, and Loras surprises everyone by winning at BV.

Luther at Wartburg, is Luther missing a starter?  Does Wartburg respond to this rival game?  It was close in Waverly, this one is in Decorah.  Does the home floor matter this year?  This could end up being the game of the night, but I think Luther holds on for a win here.  The down hill slide starts again Saturday.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 02, 2011, 03:22:22 PM
First Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/02/ncaas-mens-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 02, 2011, 03:23:50 PM
UD @ Central postponed 24 hours.  This gives the Spartans an extra day to game plan the Dutch.  Prepare for an aerial barage of Blum Bombs...and subsequent free throws ;D  UD wins big!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 03, 2011, 01:43:38 AM
Quote from: Luther College Sports Information - Men's Basketball News Release 2/2/11
LUTHER SWEEPS WARTBURG FOR FIRST TIME SINCE 1965-66
http://sports.luther.edu/men/basketball/season/2010-11/recaps/wartburg.htm

Luther's coach = Wartburg grad ...  ironic ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2011, 07:06:35 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 02, 2011, 03:23:50 PM
UD @ Central postponed 24 hours.  This gives the Spartans an extra day to game plan the Dutch.  Prepare for an aerial barage of Blum Bombs...and subsequent free throws ;D  UD wins big!!!

Bought a whole new box of pins just for the occassion!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Should be a good game, but watch out for the Dutch.  Blum will feel like he has a second skin as close as he is being guarded, but it is the Dutch that get to the line the most.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 03, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
BV/Loras - Conference tournament bubble game
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 03, 2011, 04:22:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 03, 2011, 01:28:34 PM
BV/Loras - Conference tournament bubble game

Depending on how Loras does against Dubuque, they could be on the verge of being eliminated from the tournament in the game against Buena Vista, right?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 03, 2011, 09:19:02 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 03, 2011, 07:06:35 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 02, 2011, 03:23:50 PM
UD @ Central postponed 24 hours.  This gives the Spartans an extra day to game plan the Dutch.  Prepare for an aerial barage of Blum Bombs...and subsequent free throws ;D  UD wins big!!!

Bought a whole new box of pins just for the occassion!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

Should be a good game, but watch out for the Dutch.  Blum will feel like he has a second skin as close as he is being guarded, but it is the Dutch that get to the line the most.

Blum didn't start  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2011, 09:47:36 PM
Dubuque up 41-32 over Central at the half.

Klompen and her voodoo doll must have worked.  Blum not playing tonight.  Fortunately, UD owns a 9 point lead without him!!!

I think tonight was the 1st time I have ever seen an entire half with no timouts.  Absolutely no breaks in the action for me to see what exactly the score was.  I figured UD was winning, but had no idea by how much.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 03, 2011, 10:22:31 PM
Am I the only one that can't get the live stats to work for the game?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2011, 10:34:20 PM
I lost the UD/Central feed.  There were about 3 1/2 minutes left... >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 03, 2011, 10:38:17 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 03, 2011, 10:34:20 PM
I lost the UD/Central feed.  There were about 3 1/2 minutes left... >:(

Same here.  Any idea on score?  Couldn't see it for most of the half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2011, 10:41:35 PM
I think UD was up by about 10 or so.  My guess is Klompen got mad at what was happening on the floor and unplugged the video feed :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2011, 10:49:46 PM
Hmm, no live stats for the mens game and we lose the video feed with about 3 minutes left in the game that I am sure is over by now.  Boo Central >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2011, 11:19:28 PM
Sorry to all of you out there that wanted to watch UD put a wupping on Central without Blum even in the gym.  I have no idea why you lost video or why the live stats didn't work.  I would have had it going because you deserved to see just how bad the Dutch played tonight.  

Congratulations to UD who obviously wanted it more.  Central's inconsistency and spotting the other team a huge lead strikes once again.  I never like it when games are postponed and Central closed yesterday due to the weather, it looked like the guys had too much time on their hands and lost focus.  Most of the night they looked like sloppy ball handlers , much like a junior high team that had never handled the ball before and didn't know how to rebound.  They also forgot that the point of fouling at the end of the game was to rebound missed shots.  

I had a bad feeling about this game going into it.  When I saw Blum didn't even make the trip, I was even more worried.  Apparently our whole game plan was built around him and when he wasn't there, they had  no idea what to do.  I know that Boschee does not believe in calling time outs to break momentum.  Not sure I agree with that, but have come to accept that it isn't going to happen.  But tonight they needed some guidance before the game got down to 2 minutes left.  Somebody needs to take responsibility for getting the team ready and focused to play from the opening tip.  

The team reminds me of a team that is afraid of succeeding.  Whenever things start to look good, they self-destruct.  That isn't to take anything away from UD, they played well tonight in every aspect.  What should have been a slam dunk without Blum was just a slam to Central.  

I bet Doolittle had a whole set of Central voodoo dolls.   ;) ;) ;)  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 03, 2011, 11:24:25 PM
Oops, forgot to mention, I can't give you the final score either.  I didn't want to see it, but it was around 11 points difference or so I would guess.  Congrats again to UD, they knew they had a monumental task without Blum there and they hustled all night.  Probably similar to the way the Dutch played so well against Luther with 2-3 starters out.  They had the desire that Central lacked tonight and you just can't measure heart.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TheSportsFan on February 04, 2011, 02:26:48 AM
Update on Luther's Michael Crocker:

I posted earlier mentioning that it was unclear of the diagnosis.  Latest reports are that it is STILL unclear on his availability.

First reports were a possible broken ankle, then came reports of ligament issues (2-3 weeks).  Last news was the belief there is a stress fracture in the foot which could likely sideline him for the rest of the year or at least until tournament time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 04, 2011, 08:27:29 AM
Hey Klompen, final score was 72-60.  Interesting you note the Central coach doesn't like to call timeouts.  I think they could have been useful to your Dutch in that 1st half.  And your voodoo doll worked so good Blum couldn't even leave Dubuque.  Press release said illness, it didn't mention if he broke out in pin sized rashes though :D

UD winning on the road without Blum is a huge statement I think.  This is a confident and deep team right now.  For this old Spartan fan, it is fun to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 04, 2011, 09:02:23 AM
UD shot pretty well last night and did a great job rebounding, getting steals and creating turnovers.  Any time you do that, you are going to be successful.  I think all the UD players knew they had to really step it up without Blum there and, as I said last night, you just can't measure heart.  UD played with a ton of heart last night.  Best of luck to them for the rest of the season.

I forgot you didn't get to see the end of the game.  Central got foul crazy just to get to where they could send UD to the foul line, then 4 straight times, when UD missed, the Dutch did NOT rebound!  It wasn't a game that Central deserved to win and they didn't play like they wanted to any way.  

I agree completely that Central should have called a time out in the first half, maybe several, particularly when they lollygagged getting the ball in and lost it on a 5 second call.  No mental focus at all last night.  But Boschee really likes to save his time outs for the end of the game.  If there were a stat for fewest time outs in the first half, I guarantee Central would lead the nation.  I don't want to criticize though as Boschee is a great coach who pulled Central from the bottom of the conference up to champs last year and still doing better than most expected with 5 graduating starters coming into this season.  You can't argue with success too much. 

But in true inconsistent form, I think they might have a shot against Luther, as surely, hopefully, they will want to prove they are a better team than they were last night.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coebball70 on February 05, 2011, 07:04:18 PM
Bummer, my BV Beavers are done for the year.  Wartburg was the better team today.  For whatever reason, the Beavers are going to get a summer to reflect on what might have been.  It's discouraging when a team fails to achieve it's potential for any reason.  Hopefully, some floor leadership will emerge and the commitment to personal improvement will return.  BV's winning tradition is too strong not to endure a second year of under-achievement by all involved.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 05, 2011, 09:41:39 PM
I feel your pain.  My Dutch suffered another loss today as well.  This time they didn't spot the opponent a big lead, but they did play a better team that was not having an off day.  Central started out well, but simply wore down as the game went on.  There are always things that could have been done better, but Luther was the better team today and my hat is really off to the Dutch that played in the game at Luther with Caves, Chappy and Winkler out.  Luther may have had an off day then, but Central must have really battled to do that well on their floor. 

I also still appreciate the effort that all the Dutch have put forth this season and will cheer them on for the rest of the season and however long they can play in the conference tourney, assuming they will make it.  I want to say that even with the loss, they have a tourney game clinched at 7-6.  They only have 3 conference games left and two teams have 10 or more conference losses, but the conference site does not show a clinch yet.  Right now they are more or less in a tie for 4th through 6th and that is better than people thought they would do.  Maybe if they get some focus and consistency going for them they can stay on that high end and be more than one and done in the tourney.

Congratulations to Luther, you earned that win today.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 08, 2011, 01:32:22 PM
Here's hoping the Dutch can get fired up for Simpson at home tomorrow night.  I don't know what to expect any more, but would still pick my Dutch for a win.  I don't think they want to lose to Simpson twice.  There should be a little rivalry fire there, but sometimes it is hard to tell. 

Good luck and good health to everyone playing, let's see who can get fired up and win down the road.  The Luther I saw Saturday was much better than in their first game with Central.  I predict they may well win out as Central did last year and really make a statement that it was their year.  They reminded me a lot of last year's Dutch team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 09, 2011, 11:17:44 PM
I give up on predicting, I would have struggled tonight with all but the Central game.  I might not have gotten that right either if I had known James Chapline would miss the game and that Brock Caves would have sat out the second half with an injury.  Demarco Turner had a brilliant night in front of the home fans for the last time this season.  While the season is not yet over, I do want to extend congratulations to both Turner and Chapline who have likely played their last game in Kuyper Gym.  Best of luck the rest of the season and hopefully in the conference tourney, then through the rest of this semester.  I know you will both be successful after graduation.  All the best to you!

Now, what's up with Cornell beating Luther and Loras beating Coe?  For that matter, I was surprised that UD lost to BV.  I knew there would be interesting games down the stretch and I can't say it is a big surprise that BV won, but the other two did surprise me when I read it. 

Good luck to all the seniors who will be playing their last games over the next few weeks.  It has been fun to watch you, and some of you (Blum) I will be glad to see graduate.   ;)  You have been good opponents.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 10, 2011, 07:36:08 AM
UD women lose after giving up a 10 point 2nd half lead...UD men trail the entire game...Iowa loses in OT to Wisconsin...oi vey, last night was a tough night to take. 

My wife told me "this is why women like movies with happy endings, so we don't go to bed mad"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 10, 2011, 09:21:48 AM
Oh, no, a stereotyper wife!   :) :)  Some women also like sports and let me tell you, we can go to bed mad about the results of a game too.  Then again, I do like movies with happy endings!   :D  I have the day off and am looking at the possibilities for such a movie as soon as I get off here.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 10, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 08, 2011, 01:32:22 PM
... I predict they [Luther] may well win out as Central did last year and really make a statement that it was their year.  They reminded me a lot of last year's Dutch team.


Quote from: Klompen on February 09, 2011, 11:17:44 PM
I give up on predicting ... what's up with Cornell beating Luther ... ? 

... You must have jinxed 'em  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 10, 2011, 01:46:58 PM
Given that, I see Buena Vista  AND/OR Central AND/OR Coe AND/OR Cornell  AND/OR Dubuque AND/OR Loras AND/OR Simspson AND/OR Wartburg winning out!  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 10, 2011, 09:11:30 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 10, 2011, 01:39:13 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 08, 2011, 01:32:22 PM
... I predict they [Luther] may well win out as Central did last year and really make a statement that it was their year.  They reminded me a lot of last year's Dutch team.


Quote from: Klompen on February 09, 2011, 11:17:44 PM
I give up on predicting ... what's up with Cornell beating Luther ... ?  

... You must have jinxed 'em  :-\

I have that effect a lot, mostly on the Dutch though.  If that works, I think Luther, Coe, UD and BV will all win out.  Better throw Cornell in there too since the Dutch play them Saturday.   ;)

There is also the effect I have on Taylor Blum who couldn't even make the trip to Pella.  And they played better without him.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 11, 2011, 12:03:19 AM
Loras is IIAC's hottest team

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 11, 2011, 11:56:42 PM
Upset Saturday Awaits us--
Luther @ Dubuque- Kick a dog when he's down, Dubuque enjoys playing at home and finds a way to give Luther another loss, making the top of the league a tight one heading into final week of season! Taylor Blum and the post players are too much offense for the Norse to handle and Dubuque controls tempo from start to finish. 74 to 66.
Buena Vista @ Coe- With the Luther loss, Coe could make the league race very interesting with a win at home against BV. However, BV gets revenge against Coe and continues their hopes for a first round home game. A possibility that last week had them hoping to make the conference tourney. BV 72 to 67.
Simpson @ Wartburg-Simpson is in a must win situation to keep them in that 6th spot in the conference. Wartburg meanwhile is all but eliminated but Simpson folds under pressure and Sathoff is too much for the Storm to handle. In a big upset, Knights win 68 to 63.
Central @ Cornell- It wouldn't be upset weekend without Central losing on the road to Cornell. I don't know how it will happen, but Central forgets the game is at 4:00 and not 8:00, Cornell plays for nothing, except to see Klompen disappointed face when he looks at stats.

Here's to upset weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 12, 2011, 09:38:24 PM
Quote from: Coe Athletics Website - Mens Basketball Release 2/12/11
The Kohawks 78-44  :o win over Buena Vista gave them the first season-sweep of the Beavers in school history.  :o

http://www.coeathletics.com/article/664.php

Congratulations Kohawks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 12, 2011, 10:02:12 PM
Quote from: University of Dubuque Athletics Men's Baseketball News Release 2/12/11Matt Poirier led UD in scoring with 12 points despite exiting midway through the second half with an injury. :(  Poirier leads UD with 16 blocks, 15.5 points and 6.7 rebounds a game.

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/news.cfm?ID=1657&team=Mens Basketball

I hope it's not serious.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 13, 2011, 09:59:56 AM
Dutch had their chances yesterday in spite of playing without two starters due to illness and injury.  But congratulations to Cornell for shutting down the come backs just shy of success.  Cornell gave Central a great game at home, so I knew it would be a challenge today, particularly with the absences.  I think the Dutch played with some heart again today, but not enough to overcome sloppy ball handling.  That is something they will have to work on cleaning up with a week off. 

Congratulations to all of yesterday's winners.  I gave up on Central having a shot for a home floor IIAC tourney game some time ago, looks like IC still had his blue glasses on as BV is now back to hoping for a playoff spot.  I think the Dutch are going to head to BV next Saturday with something to prove as their worst game of the entire season was played against BV at home.  Home floor jinx may well hit again in Storm Lake next Saturday.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 13, 2011, 10:11:20 AM
Central fans are officially jumping on the Cornell bandwagon for the rest of the season.  With Loras and Simpson to play yet, one win by Cornell should put Central into the tourney, which is as much as we can hope for at this point.  Of course, if Central just knocks off BV, that should do it as well.  I apologize for earlier thinking Central was already in, I forgot that 3 teams get left out instead of just two.   :-[

Some time for the new starting guard, in Brock Cave's place, to get more practice will help with the turnovers.  As would just being sharper in the actual passing.   ;)  We tend to lose the ball a lot trying to get it inside, which is frustrating when we have great outside shooters. 

Looking forward to Wednesday night just relaxing while hearing what happens with all the other teams, I may do some checking in from time to time on all those games.  I think Central will win the bye, but it will be a challenge game in preparation for BV.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2011, 10:57:21 AM
3 game losing streak by my Spartans...must be because I haven't been sitting in front of my computer with my lucky Spartan sweatshirt on ;)

2 more games to go in the regular season.  Let's get some wins so we can host a tourney game!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 13, 2011, 10:58:34 PM
Good thing I am not a betting man, I would have lost money on the juice going 2-2 yesterday in my picks. Cornell and Wartburg didn't disappoint and took care of business at home. BV scored 44 points in a tough shooting night and Luther wrapped up its first conference title since Reagan was president. A great turn around for coach Franzen and his staff, congrats to them.

Interesting final week-
Coe @ Luther- Luther needs a win to win the league outright- If Coe can win at Luther I see a shared conference title which would be a shame to Luther. Don't know who holds tie breaker for number one seed- Would depend how Coe and Dubuque would do later in week. Coe beats Luther then beats Dubuque, I think they would have number one seed due to how they win loss record against Dubuque 3rd place team?

BV@ Simpson- BV has a chance to finish as high as 3rd with some help, Simpson is trying to win two games to make the final 6- This is big game for both teams and will be interesting what teams show up and play. A lot on the line.

Loras @ Cornell- A must win week for Loras and it has the most favorable schedule with Cornell and Wartburg- What a great week this will be in IIAC basketball.
   
Wartburg @ Dubuque- Dubuque controls its own destiny and can wrap up the 3 seed with a win over Wartburg, and possibly a 2 seed with a win over Wartburg and a Coe Loss at Luther, and Dubuque win over Coe? Alot of scenarios for every team. Every team needs to take Al Davis's advice; Just win baby, just win and everything will work out.

Central @ BV- Central is in a unique situation with not playing Wednesday, they currently sit in 4th and could finish anywhere from 6th or 7th if everything is played against them and they lose Sat. By Wednesday night we should have a good idea of what needs to happen to get in, I am hoping something crazy happens. Its been a year of parity from spots 3-7 and someone is going to be left out. Here is to the upset of the week that costs someone their season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 13, 2011, 11:11:09 PM
Here is how I see it going down as of Sunday, this will obviously change by Wednesday but I have predicted everything and been wrong all year so why not fire some people up and tell you what I think again!

1. Luther
2. Coe
3. Dubuque
4. Buena Vista
5. Central ties Loras for last spot, but due to head to head- they finish 5th
6. Loras

Simpsons loss to BV , and Loras's 2-0 week gets them in, in the final spot!

3 vs 6- Loras travels cross town to play Dubuque
4 vs 5- Central travels back to BV for 2nd time in 3 days
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 14, 2011, 10:04:03 PM
Quote from: IntramuralChamp on February 13, 2011, 11:11:09 PM
Here is how I see it going down as of Sunday, this will obviously change by Wednesday but I have predicted everything and been wrong all year so why not fire some people up and tell you what I think again!

1. Luther
2. Coe
3. Dubuque
4. Buena Vista
5. Central ties Loras for last spot, but due to head to head- they finish 5th
6. Loras

Simpsons loss to BV , and Loras's 2-0 week gets them in, in the final spot!

3 vs 6- Loras travels cross town to play Dubuque
4 vs 5- Central travels back to BV for 2nd time in 3 days

I think you have 1-3 right.  I really don't expect those to change.  On the other hand, I do think the Dutch have something to prove at BV and I think they could do it.  They have a week off to get some people hopefully healthy and ready to play.  So I see Central in the 4 spot, Loras and Simpson filling in the bottom spots.  I like the idea of Loras going to UD and Simpson to Central.  Keep the travel to a minimum.   ;D 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on February 15, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
Hello from someone not too familiar with IIAC doings.
Whats happened to Cornell this season?
After starting out very well last year, they seemed to tail off toward the end of the  year, and now I see where they're occupying last place in the conference standings.
Was this expected? What is responsible? Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 15, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
Hello from someone not too familiar with IIAC doings.
Whats happened to Cornell this season?
After starting out very well last year, they seemed to tail off toward the end of the  year, and now I see where they're occupying last place in the conference standings.
Was this expected? What is responsible? Thanks

2 years ago, after Cornell won the IIAC tourney, the school then asked their coach to take a 20% pay cut.  He declined this offer and left the school.  While the Rams new coach could be a good coach, he is greener, has a minimal budget to work with, and I would imagine it is not lost on the student athletes that they really don't have the administration behind them.  All that put together can lead a team to take a nose dive in the standings. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 15, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 15, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 15, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
Hello from someone not too familiar with IIAC doings.
Whats happened to Cornell this season?
After starting out very well last year, they seemed to tail off toward the end of the  year, and now I see where they're occupying last place in the conference standings.
Was this expected? What is responsible? Thanks

2 years ago, after Cornell won the IIAC tourney, the school then asked their coach to take a 20% pay cut.  He declined this offer and left the school.  While the Rams new coach could be a good coach, he is greener, has a minimal budget to work with, and I would imagine it is not lost on the student athletes that they really don't have the administration behind them.  All that put together can lead a team to take a nose dive in the standings. 
Are you serious???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2011, 09:54:07 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 15, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 15, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 15, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
Hello from someone not too familiar with IIAC doings.
Whats happened to Cornell this season?
After starting out very well last year, they seemed to tail off toward the end of the  year, and now I see where they're occupying last place in the conference standings.
Was this expected? What is responsible? Thanks

2 years ago, after Cornell won the IIAC tourney, the school then asked their coach to take a 20% pay cut.  He declined this offer and left the school.  While the Rams new coach could be a good coach, he is greener, has a minimal budget to work with, and I would imagine it is not lost on the student athletes that they really don't have the administration behind them.  All that put together can lead a team to take a nose dive in the standings. 
Are you serious???

That was the talk on here at the time.  The coach left the school saying he wanted to spend more time with his family.  He was back in coaching within a year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 16, 2011, 12:50:43 PM
Thoughts for tonight...

Wartburg at Dubuque - Spartans get a win here and look to get closer to locking down the three seed.
Buena Vista at Simpson - Could be the last chance for the Storm to get in.  Beavers still down from their beating on Saturday.  I'll take the Storm.
Loras at Cornell - Both teams have been playing well in last week.  Rams clinging to hopes of getting in tournament still.  I'll take the Rams.
Coe at Luther - Something tells me Coe won't be giving up 62 points in the 2nd half to the Norse again.  Crazy to think that two teams that didn't even make the IIAC Tournament last year are battling for the title in the last week of the season.  I'll take the Kohawks here.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 16, 2011, 03:32:48 PM
Week 3 Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2011/02/16/ncaa-2011-regional-rankings-week-3/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on February 16, 2011, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 15, 2011, 09:54:07 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 15, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 15, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 15, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
Hello from someone not too familiar with IIAC doings.
Whats happened to Cornell this season?
After starting out very well last year, they seemed to tail off toward the end of the  year, and now I see where they're occupying last place in the conference standings.
Was this expected? What is responsible? Thanks

2 years ago, after Cornell won the IIAC tourney, the school then asked their coach to take a 20% pay cut.  He declined this offer and left the school.  While the Rams new coach could be a good coach, he is greener, has a minimal budget to work with, and I would imagine it is not lost on the student athletes that they really don't have the administration behind them.  All that put together can lead a team to take a nose dive in the standings. 
Are you serious???

That was the talk on here at the time.  The coach left the school saying he wanted to spend more time with his family.  He was back in coaching within a year.

Is it possible that perhaps his saying he wanted to spend more time with his family was his way of taking the high road? He could have said something like "I win a conference championship and this cheap ass place rewards me by telling me they are cutting my pay by 20%. They can go scratch."
Also, by saying he wanted to spend more time with the family, the previous coach doesn't burn any bridges, and guarantees himself a favorable recommendation that he would be able to use in pursuing other job opportunities, either within or outside of the coaching realm.
I wonder what the Rams are paying the new guy if they wanted to cut the previous coach by 20%. It sounds like the allure of Cornell might be more that he now gets to run his own program as opposed to making a great deal more than he was making as an assistant elsewhere.   :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 16, 2011, 06:16:17 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 16, 2011, 05:20:08 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 15, 2011, 09:54:07 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 15, 2011, 09:40:56 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 15, 2011, 09:35:52 PM
Quote from: AndOne on February 15, 2011, 06:27:23 PM
Hello from someone not too familiar with IIAC doings.
Whats happened to Cornell this season?
After starting out very well last year, they seemed to tail off toward the end of the  year, and now I see where they're occupying last place in the conference standings.
Was this expected? What is responsible? Thanks

2 years ago, after Cornell won the IIAC tourney, the school then asked their coach to take a 20% pay cut.  He declined this offer and left the school.  While the Rams new coach could be a good coach, he is greener, has a minimal budget to work with, and I would imagine it is not lost on the student athletes that they really don't have the administration behind them.  All that put together can lead a team to take a nose dive in the standings. 
Are you serious???

That was the talk on here at the time.  The coach left the school saying he wanted to spend more time with his family.  He was back in coaching within a year.

Is it possible that perhaps his saying he wanted to spend more time with his family was his way of taking the high road? He could have said something like "I win a conference championship and this cheap ass place rewards me by telling me they are cutting my pay by 20%. They can go scratch."
Also, by saying he wanted to spend more time with the family, the previous coach doesn't burn any bridges, and guarantees himself a favorable recommendation that he would be able to use in pursuing other job opportunities, either within or outside of the coaching realm.
I wonder what the Rams are paying the new guy if they wanted to cut the previous coach by 20%. It sounds like the allure of Cornell might be more that he now gets to run his own program as opposed to making a great deal more than he was making as an assistant elsewhere.   :-\

That's pretty much exactly what this board concluded must have happened back when it all went down. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 16, 2011, 09:48:43 PM
Dubuque and Wartburg all tied up 34-34 at the half.  Wartburg hit a 35 footer at the buzzer to tie it up.  It's been a close game throughout with UD leading most of the way. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 16, 2011, 10:24:27 PM
Simpson has a 19 point lead on BV with 8:06 to play. 
Wartburg leads UD by 11 with 10:24 to play.
Luther leads Coe 49-30 with 9:51 to go.
Loras leads Cornell by 9 with less than 5 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 16, 2011, 10:26:06 PM
BV making a comeback bid and have it down to 13 with 4:24 to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 16, 2011, 10:30:40 PM
Blum with a 4 point play...just for Klompen :-*

Dubuque down 8 points with 5 minutes or so left in the game
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 16, 2011, 10:40:11 PM
BV makes a valiant comeback bid but runs out of time and yields to desperation shooting.  Looks like 97-85 would be final score as Storm just look to run out clock.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 16, 2011, 10:45:43 PM
Cornell game ended while I was watching the BV game, not sure of final results.  Looks like UD will be going down to Wartburg with a 10 point difference and less than 30 seconds left.  Luther up by 14 with 4 minutes left over Coe.

UD and BV losing are both good for the Dutch.  Looks like if BV makes the tourney, they will be on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 16, 2011, 10:49:04 PM
Loras beat Cornell by 10.  UD loses by 10 to Wartburg.  Luther up by 12 with 3 minutes remaining.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 16, 2011, 11:03:00 PM
Congratulations to Luther for winning the IIAC regular season championship tonight.  You earned it and you deserved it. 

I should clarify my earlier remark about it being good for Central to have UD and BV both lose.  It moves Central into a tie for 3rd place instead of 4th and a better shot at a home game for the tourney.  BUT they have to beat BV.  If BV, Simpson, Coe and Loras all win the final games, there would be a 5 way tie for 3rd-7th place.  How does the tie-breaker work for determining conference tourney teams and seeding then?  Anybody know?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 16, 2011, 11:42:54 PM
Thanks Luther seniors!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IntramuralChamp on February 16, 2011, 11:45:11 PM
They first look at head to head-- if they the teams split that during the year, then they go against records against top team and league and go down the list I believe.


So Simpson would have tie breaker over BV cause beat them twice, BV would have it over Central and Loras if BV wins Sat.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 17, 2011, 12:02:14 AM
Thanks, IC.  I think Central better just take care of business and win on Saturday, now that the home court is as much a curse as a blessing.  If Central wins, it helps clear the log jam and I'm sure they are willing to do what they can to help.   ;)  Mostly, I hope they feel like they need to show that they did not play their best against BV at home.  I'm not taking anything away from BV's win, maybe they caused our bad shooting, but so many air balls by they Dutch is just not typical.  I hope they show what they CAN do and that Demarco Turner gets the record for 3 pt goals in a season.  I think he needs 4 to either tie or break the record.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 19, 2011, 08:30:01 AM
Today's forecast: Trainwreck with chance of 5-way tie
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2011, 08:55:00 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 19, 2011, 08:30:01 AM
Today's forecast: Trainwreck with chance of 5-way tie

Which you won't mind seeing since your Norse are already conference champs ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 09:50:16 AM
I think he is right about the chances of a trainwreck.  It would be a royal mess, so if Central just goes to BV and gets their first win there in decades, they can take care of that and make sure that at most, it is a 3 way tie.  Central could cement at least a tie for 3rd with only UD, if they win.  BV would drop down and no 5 way tie would be possible.  That would give the team a great feeling of accomplishment to end the regular season.  Who would have thought that Central could finish as high as 3rd this year?  I just think that sounds like an ideal plan.   :D

More importantly though, for some teams, this will be the last regular season game for all the seniors in the conference.  I hope they all get good playing time and good health for today and best wishes for their careers after college.  It will be bittersweet for many, particularly those who are playing their last game for Wartburg and Cornell and whichever team gets left out of the possible 5 way tie.  It is the end of a college game, but time to gear up for the game of life that goes into high gear in a few short months.  Everybody play hard and play healthy. 

BV, feel free to return the favor and shoot air balls today!!!   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2011, 05:22:01 PM
Coe announcing team mentioned they will have their sideline reporter Erin Andrews find out why Matt Poirier isn't starting for Dubuque.  Erin Andrews!!!  :o :o :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 06:38:16 PM
Loras easily defeats Wartburg to take a step towards the 5 way tie.   ;)

Central comes out hot in the first half and ice cold in the second.  They had a 14 point lead in the first half and are now behind by 14 against BV with time running out.  What happened Dutch???   :'( :'( :'(  Step 2 towards a 5 way tie.

Simpson/Cornell and UD/Coe still too close to call.  GO CORNELL!!!   GO COE!!!  in the best effort to help the Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 06:44:14 PM
Dutch totally fall apart in the second half, no adjustments made and melt down completely.  Lose 80-68, I think.  I switched to the Simpson game as it is a barn burner tied with 2:36 left.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 06:49:02 PM
Cornell ahead by 1 with 45 seconds left and Cornell has the ball.  UD looks like it is their game to lose against Coe.  Up by 9 currently.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 06:50:31 PM
Storm down by 1 with 19 seconds left and the ball.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2011, 06:56:10 PM
i can't get the UD/coe game to come in here at home   Whats the score???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 06:58:04 PM
Cornell steals ball/knocks it away, only to lose it out of bounds with 4 seconds left.  Simpson inbounds the ball from the Cornell side of the court and scores from almost right under the basket to win by 1 point.  Congratulations Storm on a hard fought win.  Step 3 to a 5 way tie.  There are at least 4 teams now tied for 4th-7th.  If UD wins, that's how it stays.  If Coe wins, it is a 5 way tie.  UD up by 5 with exactly one minute left.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 06:59:08 PM
Oops, I can't subtract.  Make that up by 6 65-59.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2011, 07:02:05 PM
Thanks for the update, darn my stupid home computer
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 19, 2011, 07:06:26 PM
UD wins ... 71-66!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 07:07:42 PM
I was actually watching live stats for the Coe-UD game since I didn't want to have too many games going at the same time.  UD wins 71-66 to avoid the 5 way tie.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 07:08:59 PM
So who gets left out of the tourney?  Please don't say Central!  Though the way they fell apart in the second half...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2011, 07:10:52 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on February 19, 2011, 07:06:26 PM
UD wins ... 71-66!

Woo Hoo...good job guys.  

Knowing my luck UD would have come out in 7th in the 5 way tie for 3rd place scenario >:(

3rd place is a great finish.  And we get to host 1 more game this year.  Very nice.  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 07:11:12 PM
Phew, Central is in according to the IIAC website, as is BV.  Luther, Coe and UD are in with the higher finishes in the standings.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2011, 07:13:26 PM
Anyone notice that UD jumps out to 8-3 in conference play.  DBQ1965 then goes on a 3 week vacation to Mexico and the Spartans lose 4 straight.  DBQ1965 comes back home and UD wins their final game to lock up 3rd place in the conference. 

New rule.  DBQ1965 can't leave the country during football or basketball season ;D  Though Mrs. DBQ1965 will probably overule that new rule ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 19, 2011, 09:10:10 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 19, 2011, 07:13:26 PM
Anyone notice that UD jumps out to 8-3 in conference play.  DBQ1965 then goes on a 3 week vacation to Mexico and the Spartans lose 4 straight.  DBQ1965 comes back home and UD wins their final game to lock up 3rd place in the conference. 

New rule.  DBQ1965 can't leave the country during football or basketball season ;D  Though Mrs. DBQ1965 will probably overule that new rule ;)

When I told her about the September 1 opener with Augustana, she said something about us being in New Zealand then.   Is she hinting or just playing with my emotions?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2011, 09:13:50 PM
Hey Doolittle, looks like the Dutch get to come to UD on Tuesday night as they tumble down to last seed.  I think I will keep my voodoo doll plans top secret this week.  When Blum chickens out of showing up, UD plays much better and Central has no idea who to defend.   ;)

Who knows if, or who, I will pick on this week.  I may have to have one for Boschee that would cause him to actually call a TO during a UD run.   :D :D :D  Waiting until the last few minutes of the game only works when you are in a position to win at that point.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2011, 09:45:43 PM
Dubuque went 3-5 at home and 6-2 on the road in conference play this season.  Maybe I am a little nervous for this next game :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 21, 2011, 11:16:05 PM
Nervous is the right word for Central too.  The game at BV was a perfect example of Central most of the year.  You never know which team will show up.  Central jumps out to a 14 point lead in the first half and falls behind by 14 in the second.  Now maybe,  just maybe, that is because you don't know which BV team will show up either, but that is a 28 point swing. 

I am sure that as the season progressed, teams took Central more serioiusly than at the start of the season when we may have caught teams by surprise.  Yet it is a bit disappointing in that it gives the appearance, right or wrong, that this team that was really playing together for the first time did not improve as the season went along, or not to the same pace as other teams.  Last year there were the fabulous 5 seniors that really were the core of the team.  This year's starters got some playing time as subs, but not near the quantity of time that the seniors played.  Maybe we just had a powder puff non-conference schedule that made me think we were better, but the IIAC never rocks the playoffs either, so how strong is the conference?  Central played very well against Simpson, and starts strong against BV, but the weak finish has me thinking the tourney may not last long for the Dutch. 

So DD, is this the last time Central has to face Blum?  Finally???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 22, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with their Conference Tourney Preview

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=312668
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 22, 2011, 03:30:15 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 22, 2011, 11:04:00 AM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with their Conference Tourney Preview

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=312668

I don't know how good Matt Mataloni is, but I know that Coe's David Mataloni is pretty good.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 22, 2011, 08:34:24 PM
Dubuque up 30-20 over Central at the half.  

No posts from Klompen tonight...did she travel with the Dutch up to Dubuque??? Or is she at home watching Glee???

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2011, 08:42:55 PM
I'm at home choking.  Just like the Dutch!   :'( :'( :'(  I will have you know that I have never in my life seen Glee, although I must say, I might enjoy watching NCIS more than this game!  Somehow I knew that the Dutch would not put forth their best effort tonight, so I didn't get home until about 4 minutes of playing time before the half and the Dutch were already heading down the tubes.  I do see that Blum is still falling to get the foul shots though.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2011, 08:46:33 PM
I have to say that I am very impressed with the UD video, it is the clearest I have seen all year.  Now, if I only enjoyed the view.  Maybe basketball needs tight ends like the football team.   :o :o :o :-   :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 22, 2011, 08:49:38 PM
Your Dutch could always pull the oposite of their recent BV game.  Turn a big half time deficit into a win.  Though I don't want to see that happen :D

And there is a tight end in the game...Miles Hookstead is playing :P
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2011, 08:53:52 PM
NCIS is looking like a better option all the time.  The Dutch apparently think they are the home team with all of the passes, er, turnovers given to UD.

As to Hookstead, his end isn't that tight!    :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2011, 08:56:14 PM
Central tromping, NCIS?  Central tromping, NCIS?  Central tromping, NCIS?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2011, 09:01:00 PM
BV leads Simpson by 5 early in the second half.

Central does not seem to want to play another game.  It's time to switch to softball/baseball I guess.  Hopefully these guys will work as hard in the off season as last year's seniors did before their final season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2011, 09:07:16 PM
Okay, I'm getting tired of hearing about how UD has the biggest lead of the night every time they score, so I may turn in later to find out how bad it turned out.  Central isn't going to come back from this and if they don't want to play, I don't need to watch the misery.   :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 22, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
64-44 UD beats Central and moves on to a Thursday night game at Coe.

DBQ1965 is now officially banned from leaving the country again until the offseason!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2011, 10:14:46 PM
Congratulations to UD and Simpson on their wins tonight.  Best of luck to both of you as you go up against the higher ranked teams in the next round. 

Dutch just never really looked like they got going tonight and you have to play like you want it if you expect to move on.   Sloppy ball handling has been a problem for Central all year and tonight was no exception.  On the bright side, I am still proud of the Dutch for what they did accomplish this year.  The expectations outside the locker room were not high after last year's graduation losses.  You may have been back down for the season, but you had flashes of greatness from time to time that were fun to watch.  For the seniors, thanks for your contributions, it was fun to watch Demarco have a break out year after getting little playing time until this year.  Chappy, you were out off and on this year for illness/injury, but when you played, you were fun to watch.  Best of luck to both of you.

Returning players, now is the time to start preparing for the next season.  Get tough mentally and physically and get after it next year.  Help prove Central isn't a one-hit wonder by coming back better and stronger than anyone could dream possible.  You have to keep the goal in focus, something you didn't seem to keep this year.

To all seniors finishing this week.  Thanks for what you gave us, another great season of basketball and tremendous parity in the conference.  All the best to all of you. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 22, 2011, 10:38:26 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 22, 2011, 09:33:44 PM
64-44 UD beats Central and moves on to a Thursday night game at Coe.

DBQ1965 is now officially banned from leaving the country again until the offseason!!!

Regardless of the ban ... in the Conference tourney, a win at home is as good as a win anywhere.

GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 23, 2011, 08:13:13 AM
From another posting ...

Everything else that happened in D3 last night is dwarfed by what just happened in Pasadena, CA:

Caltech won a SCIAC game and broke a conference losing streak of 300-plus games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 23, 2011, 03:59:58 PM
Final Regional Rankings are out before Selection Sunday: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/category/ncaa-stuff/regional-rankings/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 23, 2011, 09:32:45 PM
Cornelius Mosby has ignited Simpson  :o

Quote from: IOWA CONFERENCE MALE ATHLETE OF THE WEEK - 2/20/11

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Cornelius Mosby, Simpson, men's basketball
Chicago, Ill. / Corliss

Mosby, a junior power forward, averaged 17.0 points and 10.5 rebounds as Simpson closed the regular season with a pair of wins and secured the No. 4 seed in the IIAC men's basketball tournament. He registered 21 points on 7-for-12 shooting and pulled down 11 rebounds in a 97-85 win over Buena Vista Feb. 16. Mosby then added a 13-point, 10-rebound double-double as the Storm came from behind for a 76-75 home victory over Cornell Feb. 19.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 24, 2011, 03:37:44 PM
Good Luck Kohawks!  Two to Dance!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 24, 2011, 09:35:35 PM
Dubuque leads Coe 29-28 at the half
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 24, 2011, 10:38:57 PM
Dubuque wins at Coe 55-51
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 24, 2011, 11:19:30 PM
Cancun Travel Deals - Departs Saturday!!!

http://www.expedia.com/daily/promos/deals/deals_we_love/default.asp?pmicid=250298
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 24, 2011, 11:22:24 PM
European cruise vacations - Departs Saturday!!!

http://cruise.expedia.com/Campaign.aspx?name=Cruise%2DEXP.WAVE2011&tab=europe
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 24, 2011, 11:29:24 PM
Thailand is lovely in February!!!

http://www.lastminutetravel.com/Destination/Phuket-Overview.aspx

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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 24, 2011, 11:38:31 PM
Retired Presbyterian Minister's Convention - Ghana

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February 26, 2011
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 25, 2011, 07:50:37 AM
5 Words Or Less ...

Why go on a trip when Spartan Nation will be focused on Decorah this Saturday?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2011, 09:52:21 AM
5WOL - that was great stuff.  I enjoyed the laugh.

I'm torn right now.  As much as I want to see Dubuque win and make the tourney for the 1st time since I was at school...It's a shame the IIAC is likely to only get 1 team in this year.  In my mind, Luther demonstrated over a 16 game schedule they are the best team.  They finished 3 games above the 2nd place team.  That should be worth something.  But, I do realize sometimes the hottest team in the conference starts slow...like UD one year while I was at UD and they didn't get in because of a lack of a conference tourney. 

I am proud that UD has made it this far after losing Matt Poirier, a senior and the Spartans leading scorer this year to a season ending knee injury.  Let's keep it going and get another win and make it to the NCAA's and then see what kind of roll we can get on.  The future looks bright for this UD team.  A lot of young bench players are seeing quite a bit of playing time.  This will be good for them in future years. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 26, 2011, 10:35:07 PM
Both teams hustled - congrats all!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 27, 2011, 06:18:03 PM
Congrats to Luther for winning the conference regular season and tourney titles.  You are a deserving team.  As much as I wanted my Spartans to win the tourney and the auto bid from our conference...It would have been a shame for Luther to win the conference by 3 games over 2nd place Coe and then been shut out of the tourney if they had lost in the tourney final. 

Now do our conference proud at the NCAA's
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 28, 2011, 08:12:06 AM
Good website explainging D3 bracketology

http://tomaroonandgold.blogspot.com/p/d3-bracketology.html
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on February 28, 2011, 02:19:07 PM
Luther followers:

Here are Concordia-WI's stats:

http://northernac.org/web-2010/sports/basketball_men/statistics/2010-11/cuw.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 28, 2011, 08:29:24 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on February 28, 2011, 02:19:07 PM
Luther followers:

Here are Concordia-WI's stats:

http://northernac.org/web-2010/sports/basketball_men/statistics/2010-11/cuw.htm

+k ... They're missing from Concordia's website
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 06:07:44 PM
Wow - we're in territory seldom seem by the Norse - the NCAA playoffs.  The last time Luther's MBB made the post season was in 1984.  Well, it's good to be here, so I'm gonna do some talkin'.  Besides, I enjoy hearing my own echo.

The Norse tip off against Concordia of Wisconsin is on Friday at 7:30.  The game hopefully will be broadcast at http://www.cuw.edu/videoserver/athletics.cfm (edit copy and paste link).

The Falcons have an offense that puts up an average of 81.6 ppg while their opponents tally 70.0 ppg.  Sixth year head coach Coach Shawn Cassidy relies primarily on 5 players, although the bench contributes some valuable time and averages 18.6 ppg:


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 06:14:41 PM
Luther lost to CUW two years ago 67-52.  This year, the Norse and Falcons have had 3 common opponents:

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 01, 2011, 06:47:11 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 06:07:44 PM
Wow - we're in territory seldom seem by the Norse - the NCAA playoffs.  The last time Luther's MBB made the post season was in 1984.  Well, it's good to be here, so I'm gonna do some talkin'.  Besides, I enjoy hearing my own echo.

The Norse tip off against Concordia of Wisconsin is on Friday at 7:30.  The game hopefully will be broadcast at http://www.cuw.edu/videoserver/athletics.cfm (edit copy and paste link).

The Falcons have an offense that puts up an average of 81.6 ppg while their opponents tally 70.0 ppg.  Sixth year head coach Coach Shawn Cassidy relies primarily on 5 players, although the bench contributes some valuable time and averages 18.6 ppg:


  • #24 Skip Newton-Kemp 6'-3" G, 16.6 ppg, 30+ min./game
  • #21 Luke Doedems 6'5" PG, 14.6 ppg, 30+ mpg
  • #4 Mitchell Schneider 6'-3" SG, 14.3 ppg, 30+ mpg
  • #31 Cory Stark 6'-8" F/C, 12.9 ppg, 25 mpg
  • #12 Matt Paluchniak 6'-1" G, 4.6 ppg, 25 mpg



Former Hardy Boy and my sisters 6th grade crush Shawn Cassidy???  :o  Yeah, I think wrong spelling...but I will have to tell her about this :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 01, 2011, 07:11:37 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 27, 2011, 06:18:03 PM
Congrats to Luther for winning the conference regular season and tourney titles.  You are a deserving team.  As much as I wanted my Spartans to win the tourney and the auto bid from our conference...It would have been a shame for Luther to win the conference by 3 games over 2nd place Coe and then been shut out of the tourney if they had lost in the tourney final. 

Now do our conference proud at the NCAA's
Congrats to Luther from Whitworth, NWC - Spokane.  We had a good game against Luther and respect their talent.  We wish you success this weekend and beyond.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on March 01, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 01, 2011, 06:47:11 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 06:07:44 PM
Wow - we're in territory seldom seem by the Norse - the NCAA playoffs.  The last time Luther's MBB made the post season was in 1984.  Well, it's good to be here, so I'm gonna do some talkin'.  Besides, I enjoy hearing my own echo.

The Norse tip off against Concordia of Wisconsin is on Friday at 7:30.  The game hopefully will be broadcast at http://www.cuw.edu/videoserver/athletics.cfm (edit copy and paste link).

The Falcons have an offense that puts up an average of 81.6 ppg while their opponents tally 70.0 ppg.  Sixth year head coach Coach Shawn Cassidy relies primarily on 5 players, although the bench contributes some valuable time and averages 18.6 ppg:


  • #24 Skip Newton-Kemp 6'-3" G, 16.6 ppg, 30+ min./game
  • #21 Luke Doedems 6'5" PG, 14.6 ppg, 30+ mpg
  • #4 Mitchell Schneider 6'-3" SG, 14.3 ppg, 30+ mpg
  • #31 Cory Stark 6'-8" F/C, 12.9 ppg, 25 mpg
  • #12 Matt Paluchniak 6'-1" G, 4.6 ppg, 25 mpg



Former Hardy Boy and my sisters 6th grade crush Shawn Cassidy???  :o  Yeah, I think wrong spelling...but I will have to tell her about this :D

Don't know how well the coach can sing--
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 01, 2011, 07:37:12 PM
Quote from: WLCALUM83 on March 01, 2011, 07:23:15 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 01, 2011, 06:47:11 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 06:07:44 PM
Wow - we're in territory seldom seem by the Norse - the NCAA playoffs.  The last time Luther's MBB made the post season was in 1984.  Well, it's good to be here, so I'm gonna do some talkin'.  Besides, I enjoy hearing my own echo.

The Norse tip off against Concordia of Wisconsin is on Friday at 7:30.  The game hopefully will be broadcast at http://www.cuw.edu/videoserver/athletics.cfm (edit copy and paste link).

The Falcons have an offense that puts up an average of 81.6 ppg while their opponents tally 70.0 ppg.  Sixth year head coach Coach Shawn Cassidy relies primarily on 5 players, although the bench contributes some valuable time and averages 18.6 ppg:


  • #24 Skip Newton-Kemp 6'-3" G, 16.6 ppg, 30+ min./game
  • #21 Luke Doedems 6'5" PG, 14.6 ppg, 30+ mpg
  • #4 Mitchell Schneider 6'-3" SG, 14.3 ppg, 30+ mpg
  • #31 Cory Stark 6'-8" F/C, 12.9 ppg, 25 mpg
  • #12 Matt Paluchniak 6'-1" G, 4.6 ppg, 25 mpg



Former Hardy Boy and my sisters 6th grade crush Shawn Cassidy???  :o  Yeah, I think wrong spelling...but I will have to tell her about this :D

Don't know how well the coach can sing--

Does that matter?  Shaun Cassidy couldn't either! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 10:04:27 PM
Quote from: nwhoops1903 on March 01, 2011, 07:11:37 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 27, 2011, 06:18:03 PM
Congrats to Luther for winning the conference regular season and tourney titles.  You are a deserving team.  As much as I wanted my Spartans to win the tourney and the auto bid from our conference...It would have been a shame for Luther to win the conference by 3 games over 2nd place Coe and then been shut out of the tourney if they had lost in the tourney final. 

Now do our conference proud at the NCAA's
Congrats to Luther from Whitworth, NWC - Spokane.  We had a good game against Luther and respect their talent.  We wish you success this weekend and beyond.

Thanks for the kind words, but I think you're being overgenerous - you dun wooped us 89-67.  The week following the Whitworth beatdown, Coach Mark Franzen spoke at the winter sports luncheon for boosters where he said that Whitworth was a potential top 4 team and that the 0-4 Norse had no answer for the Pirates.  Luther must have learned something because they've gone 18-4 since.  Good luck Whitworth Pirates ... I'd be thrilled to see a rematch in the tournament!

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 02, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

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That deserves +k for a month :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 02, 2011, 11:02:48 PM
Concordia pod Preview (http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2011/2/28/MBB_0228113243.aspx?path=mbball) courtesy UW-SP
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 03, 2011, 12:01:38 AM
It's hard to contain my excitement for Friday ... Sadly, I won't be able to attend the game and according to the UW-SP guys, the games at CUW won't be video streamed.  Evidently the link that I previously posted was for audio only.  Hopefully Goob makes the trip and puts a Norse spin on the KWLC broadcast.

I listened to part of an interview with CUW's coach Shawn Cassidy who says that Junior forward Matt Doedens presents some matchup problems as a 6'5" guard.  Doedens transfered in from Winnona State where he played in 25 games as a sophmore averaging 2.2 points and 8 minutes per game.  This year, Doedens is the second leading scorer on the Falcon roster averaging 14.6 point and 32.5 minutes per game.

CUW has three other players averaging double digit points as they distribute the ball effectively.  This job seems to fall into the hands of 6'-1" guard, Matt Paluchniak, who has served up 104 assists while only turning the ball over 53 times.  Having not seen any game film, I don't know if his style is to drive and dump to the crashing bigs or kick out for a waiting tre.  Either way, the Norse will have their hands full with the #24 team in the nation.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 03, 2011, 05:11:37 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 03, 2011, 12:01:38 AM
It's hard to contain my excitement for Friday ... Sadly, I won't be able to attend the game and according to the UW-SP guys, the games at CUW won't be video streamed.  Evidently the link that I previously posted was for audio only.  Hopefully Goob makes the trip and puts a Norse spin on the KWLC broadcast.

I listened to part of an interview with CUW's coach Shawn Cassidy who says that Junior forward Matt Doedens presents some matchup problems as a 6'5" guard.  Doedens transfered in from Winnona State where he played in 25 games as a sophmore averaging 2.2 points and 8 minutes per game.  This year, Doedens is the second leading scorer on the Falcon roster averaging 14.6 point and 32.5 minutes per game.

CUW has three other players averaging double digit points as they distribute the ball effectively.  This job seems to fall into the hands of 6'-1" guard, Matt Paluchniak, who has served up 104 assists while only turning the ball over 53 times.  Having not seen any game film, I don't know if his style is to drive and dump to the crashing bigs or kick out for a waiting tre.  Either way, the Norse will have their hands full with the #24 team in the nation.


It looks like we were wrong...


http://www.cuwfalcons.com/article.asp?articleID=1280

There's a video link on this site.

I'm not 100% certain that the first game (UWSP vs. SNC) will be broadcast, but you've got a great chance of seeing the Norse and the Falcons play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 04, 2011, 05:59:22 PM
All-Conference teams announced.  Luther took the top spots...rest of the team evenly spread out among the rest of the teams.

http://www.iowaconference.com/sports/2011/3/2/MBB_201011All_IIAC.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 04, 2011, 08:29:24 PM
Minutes before tipoff and I see Crocker is suited up!  The falcons are draining 3 balls at will during warmups ... Luther's D has got to be stout tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 04, 2011, 09:13:09 PM
Luther 30 - CUW 29 ... Halftime
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 04, 2011, 09:28:44 PM
I've tuned in now...the feed cuts in and out for me.  Go Norse!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 04, 2011, 10:18:15 PM
Luther 68 - Concordia 61 Final

Woo-Hoo!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 04, 2011, 10:23:15 PM
Mark Franzen was quoted as saying "This Luther team will do a good job of representing the Iowa Conference" after the conference tournament championship game.  They obviously did beating the host school that had only lost one game on their home floor all season.  I'm proud of my Norse for pulling out this back and forth game (15 lead changes).  I feel ... no check that, I know that both UD and Coe could have competed just as well in the NCAA tournament.  Next year the IIAC should be considered more seriously for a pool C bid!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 04, 2011, 10:28:50 PM
Several keys to the game 1) CUW's center was in foul trouble all night (2 points in 9 minutes vs. season avg. 13 pts in 25 min).  2) Skip Newton-Kemp torched the Norse for 13 points in the first half, but had zero in the second.  3) Norse out rebounded the Falcons 47-29, but 4) Norse almost gave the game away because they were awful at the free throw line.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 04, 2011, 10:47:08 PM
Hooray!  We won ...

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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 04, 2011, 11:50:44 PM
Ah crap ... Stevens Point.

Oh well, gotta play 'em all.  The 25-3 defending national champions are on a 13 game winning streak.  They're huge, measuring 6'-5", 6'-6" and 6'-7" in the starting front court.  They lead the nation in shooting percentage makeing 52.7% of their shots.  They also are ranked in the top 20 nationally in turnover margin, 3 point shooting percentage and assist to turnover margin.  The Pointers dominated St. Norbert in round 1 of the NCAA tournament winning by 21 (70-49) or 1.4 points UNDER this season's average margin of victory. I've heard they play good defense to boot - pretty overwhelming on paper. 

The Pointers achillies heel seems to be found in low scoring games.  They are 0-3 when held to 60 points or less.  Good luck to both teams - just a little more luck to the underdogs!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 05, 2011, 04:31:57 AM
That announcer in the game tonight made Gary Rima sound like Gary Dolphin.  Way over excited and homerism to the extreme. 

Great win for Luther tonight.  Congrats.  Now let's see what you can do against Stevens Point!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 05, 2011, 06:20:43 PM
Google can put the squeeze on content farms, but they can't slow down 5 words or more during tournament time.  ;)  I watched parts of two archived UW-SP games and came away with the impression that they are as good as advertised.  They are big, and they shoot well.  They also play ten deep, so tiring them out is unlikely. Luther will have a hard time holding the Pointer's leading scorer, JerrellHarris 15.5 ppg, in check because injuries are depleting the point guard position for the Norse.  Michael Crocker has been in a boot for the last month and Zak Fulerton appeared to injur his knee in last night's game. 

The thing is, Luther is very adaptable and there is no one star on the team that opponents can focus on.  That and their team emphasis on defense keeps things close in most games.  I think tonight's game is going to be much closer than what the Pointers have experienced of late, and if they have an off night shooting ...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 05, 2011, 07:55:46 PM
Luther fans were numerous and loud last night.  That was great to see.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 05, 2011, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 05, 2011, 06:20:43 PM
Google can put the squeeze on content farms, but they can't slow down 5 words or more during tournament time.  ;)  I watched parts of two archived UW-SP games and came away with the impression that they are as good as advertised.  They are big, and they shoot well.  They also play ten deep, so tiring them out is unlikely. Luther will have a hard time holding the Pointer's leading scorer, JerrellHarris 15.5 ppg, in check because injuries are depleting the point guard position for the Norse.  Michael Crocker has been in a boot for the last month and Zak Fulerton appeared to injur his knee in last night's game. 

The thing is, Luther is very adaptable and there is no one star on the team that opponents can focus on.  That and their team emphasis on defense keeps things close in most games.  I think tonight's game is going to be much closer than what the Pointers have experienced of late, and if they have an off night shooting ...

More than preventing Point from scoring, I think that Luther is going to struggle scoring themselves.  SP's offense is driven by the defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 05, 2011, 10:49:11 PM
#4 US-SP upends Luther 76-56  ;D

The story of this game was a 9-minute scoring drought in the first half where the Stevens Point outscored the Luther 20-0.  Just as PointSpecial had forewarned, the Pointers defense sytmied the Norse offense during that stretch.  From there the #4 team in the nation coasted to an easy win.  Hats off to Stevens Point.  I look forward to watching you for the rest of the tournament, although I hope the next host school has a better video feed - CUW's was pretty chunky.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 05, 2011, 11:09:14 PM
One final thought before I turn the keyboard back to Cinco de Wordo ... Four years ago, when Mark Franzen recruited his first class, all he had to sell was blue sky because the MBB team was perennially sub .500.  Several of those freshmen recruits (current seniors) came in and got immediate playing time, but as new recruiting classes were added, much of their PT was redistributed.  Rather than quit out of frustration or bruised ego, these 7 seniors stuck it out and helped elevate the team into the post season for the first time in 27 years.  Tenacity is an intangible trait that hopefully sticks with the program.  Thank you seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

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That deserves +k for a month :D

Post of the Year thus far, as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely brilliant.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

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That deserves +k for a month :D

Post of the Year thus far, as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely brilliant.

Woo-hoo!  What do I win?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

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That deserves +k for a month :D

Post of the Year thus far, as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely brilliant.

Woo-hoo!  What do I win?  ;D

A hearty handshake and a warm thought.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2011, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

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That deserves +k for a month :D

Post of the Year thus far, as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely brilliant.

Woo-hoo!  What do I win?  ;D

A hearty handshake and a warm thought.

Not even a laurel to go with the hearty handshake?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2011, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F3.bp.blogspot.com%2F_PBZi2jJab0Y%2FSE6MtPOqM7I%2FAAAAAAAADlM%2FD5jxSoDenO4%2Fs1600%2Fshaundarthmeadolark01.jpg&hash=30caecb75e7c40ccbee033aa010289430afc7036)

That deserves +k for a month :D

Post of the Year thus far, as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely brilliant.

Woo-hoo!  What do I win?  ;D

A hearty handshake and a warm thought.

Not even a laurel to go with the hearty handshake?

Don't have one. But I do have some M&Ms and some Blue Diamond almonds on my desk that he's welcome to enjoy if he's willing to come to Chicago to eat them.

And, yes, Chuck, I'm ignoring that pun.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2011, 10:02:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2011, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

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That deserves +k for a month :D

Post of the Year thus far, as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely brilliant.

Woo-hoo!  What do I win?  ;D

A hearty handshake and a warm thought.

Not even a laurel to go with the hearty handshake?

Don't have one. But I do have some M&Ms and some Blue Diamond almonds on my desk that he's welcome to enjoy if he's willing to come to Chicago to eat them.

And, yes, Chuck, I'm ignoring that pun.

What, Blazing Saddles is too high-brow for you?!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 10:03:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2011, 10:02:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2011, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

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That deserves +k for a month :D

Post of the Year thus far, as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely brilliant.

Woo-hoo!  What do I win?  ;D

A hearty handshake and a warm thought.

Not even a laurel to go with the hearty handshake?

Don't have one. But I do have some M&Ms and some Blue Diamond almonds on my desk that he's welcome to enjoy if he's willing to come to Chicago to eat them.

And, yes, Chuck, I'm ignoring that pun.

What, Blazing Saddles is too high-brow for you?!

Harrumph, harrumph.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nwhoops1903 on March 10, 2011, 05:32:08 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 10:03:04 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2011, 10:02:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:54:58 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on March 09, 2011, 09:47:27 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 09:34:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 09, 2011, 09:26:47 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 09, 2011, 07:24:58 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2011, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2011, 09:40:32 PM
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon walk into a bar ...

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That deserves +k for a month :D

Post of the Year thus far, as far as I'm concerned. Absolutely brilliant.

Woo-hoo!  What do I win?  ;D

A hearty handshake and a warm thought.

Not even a laurel to go with the hearty handshake?

Don't have one. But I do have some M&Ms and some Blue Diamond almonds on my desk that he's welcome to enjoy if he's willing to come to Chicago to eat them.

And, yes, Chuck, I'm ignoring that pun.

What, Blazing Saddles is too high-brow for you?!

Harrumph, harrumph.
Shaun Cassidy, Darth Vader and Medowlark Lemon standing on a pyramid ...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 27, 2011, 10:49:50 AM
Haven't gotten on the computer much lately.  Sorry for the lateness of this post, but I want to add my sincere congratulations to Luther on winning the conference and the tourney championships and then going on to get a good first win in the tournement.  Nice to see another sub-500 team be able to get a new coach that can bring them to the top.  Here's hoping you didn't graduate all your starters, on second thought...

Good job, Norse, but don't keep it up against Central anyway.   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 28, 2011, 10:25:57 AM
D3.Coleman interviews (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tejl03D2Qis) Franzen - Thanks Pat!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 11, 2011, 11:15:43 AM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald story about Loras getting a commit from a Dubuque Wahlert prep. 

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=321014

Says he was also recruited by Wartburg and UW-Platteville.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 17, 2011, 11:39:24 PM
The Midwest Conference board in the Midwest Region asks if Cornell is moving to the Midwest Conference. Anyone have any info regarding that possibility?
What would the primary reason(s) for such a move be?
Thanks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 18, 2011, 07:56:43 AM
Quote from: AndOne on May 17, 2011, 11:39:24 PM
The Midwest Conference board in the Midwest Region asks if Cornell is moving to the Midwest Conference. Anyone have any info regarding that possibility?
What would the primary reason(s) for such a move be?
Thanks.

Cornell was a charter member of the Midwest Conference and was a member from 1922-1997.  Cornell, along with their neighbor and rival Coe left the Midwest Conference for the Iowa Conference together.  There was some talk in 2002-2003 of bringing fellow Midwest Conference member Grinnell over to the Iowa Conference as well.  Grinnell declined the offer because they did not want to add wrestling. 

Most of the talk about Cornell wanting to move back to the MWC revolves around their membership in the Associated Colleges of the Midwest.  6 of the 10 members of the MWC belong to the ACM.  3 of the 9 members of the IIAC belong to the ACM.  A year ago the 14 members of the ACM voted on whether they should leave their own conferences and start up an ACM conference.  The only schools that voted in favor of this were the 6 MWC members and Cornell from the IIAC.  Soon after that proposal was voted down Cornell notified the MWC they wanted to move back to that conference.

That is where it gets interesting.  Cornell has been a weak sister in the IIAC...mostly by their own choosing.  2 years ago when Cornell won the mens conference basketball title they then told their coach he had to take a 20% pay cut.  He then left the school and they were able to replace him with a coach with no head coaching experiance they were able to pay even less than the pay cut they offered their former coach.  This is all after Cornell had just completed a 100+ million dollar capital campain.  The rumors going around after Cornell did this and then asked back into the MWC is that the 6 ACM members of the MWC + Cornell would then try to entice another ACM school into the MWC (maybe Macalester) and then try to punt the non-ACM schools in the ACM out of the conference.  Other rumors flying around were talk if that happened the new MWC would ban NCAA post season play, would allow mostly only conference play with very limited games against non-conference opponants.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 18, 2011, 04:29:31 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on May 18, 2011, 07:56:43 AM
Quote from: AndOne on May 17, 2011, 11:39:24 PM
The Midwest Conference board in the Midwest Region asks if Cornell is moving to the Midwest Conference. Anyone have any info regarding that possibility?
What would the primary reason(s) for such a move be?
Thanks.

Cornell was a charter member of the Midwest Conference and was a member from 1922-1997.  Cornell, along with their neighbor and rival Coe left the Midwest Conference for the Iowa Conference together.  There was some talk in 2002-2003 of bringing fellow Midwest Conference member Grinnell over to the Iowa Conference as well.  Grinnell declined the offer because they did not want to add wrestling. 

Most of the talk about Cornell wanting to move back to the MWC revolves around their membership in the Associated Colleges of the Midwest.  6 of the 10 members of the MWC belong to the ACM.  3 of the 9 members of the IIAC belong to the ACM.  A year ago the 14 members of the ACM voted on whether they should leave their own conferences and start up an ACM conference.  The only schools that voted in favor of this were the 6 MWC members and Cornell from the IIAC.  Soon after that proposal was voted down Cornell notified the MWC they wanted to move back to that conference.

That is where it gets interesting.  Cornell has been a weak sister in the IIAC...mostly by their own choosing.  2 years ago when Cornell won the mens conference basketball title they then told their coach he had to take a 20% pay cut.  He then left the school and they were able to replace him with a coach with no head coaching experiance they were able to pay even less than the pay cut they offered their former coach.  This is all after Cornell had just completed a 100+ million dollar capital campain.  The rumors going around after Cornell did this and then asked back into the MWC is that the 6 ACM members of the MWC + Cornell would then try to entice another ACM school into the MWC (maybe Macalester) and then try to punt the non-ACM schools in the ACM out of the conference.  Other rumors flying around were talk if that happened the new MWC would ban NCAA post season play, would allow mostly only conference play with very limited games against non-conference opponants.

In effect, it would make the new ACM league (I don't think that they'd be able to retain the Midwest Conference name) a miniature D4, for those of you who were following the D3/D4 debate a couple of years ago.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 19, 2011, 01:17:51 AM
Thanks doolittledog and Greg. Very informative and interesting.
I had not heard of Associated Colleges Of The Midwest
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on October 12, 2011, 10:00:32 PM
Practice starts next week!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on October 12, 2011, 10:06:29 PM
Any word on IIAC newcomers?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 13, 2011, 10:23:56 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on October 12, 2011, 10:06:29 PM
Any word on IIAC newcomers?

No names, but I heard Gary Rima on the radio last week saying a kid from NU High will be a freshman at UD this fall who's the son of Gary's spotter during UNI football games.  NU High has been a power recently in the lower divisions making multiple final 4 appearances at state. 

Last week at the UD Homecoming game UD coach Robbie Sieverding had a lot of recruits on campus...he's going after size, these guys were BIG...of course, everybody looks big when you're my height. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on October 18, 2011, 08:12:33 PM
Luther 2011-12 Men's Basketball Roster (http://www.luther.edu/sports/men/basketball/roster/)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on October 18, 2011, 08:15:17 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on October 18, 2011, 08:12:33 PM
Luther 2011-12 Men's Basketball Roster (http://www.luther.edu/sports/men/basketball/roster/)
11 Freshmen, 1 Transfer, 29 Total
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on October 18, 2011, 08:36:39 PM
Loras 2011-2012 Men's Basketball Roster (http://www.duhawks.com/roster/0/1.php)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 01, 2011, 10:52:42 AM
Wartburg has posted it's roster.
http://www.go-knights.net/roster.aspx?path=mbball

Scrimmage tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on November 14, 2011, 10:58:07 PM
Season tipoff tomorrow!!!  Luther @ UW-Platteville
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 15, 2011, 08:26:30 AM
UD 2011-12 roster is up.

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/basketball.cfm

A couple of players didn't come back that would have contributed and another couple with injuries...but I am looking forward to this season.  Coach Sieverding has this program heading in the right direction. 

Spartan season starts tonight with Elmhurst visiting UD at 7pm...no video or audio that I am aware of.  That usually starts during the conference portion of the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 15, 2011, 11:43:24 PM
Dubuque beats Elmhurst 77-63
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 30, 2011, 11:47:28 PM
Congratulations to the Central Dutch men's team for starting out the conference race with a very nice win tonight.  The Dutch came out hot against BV, then lost their focus for a bit, going into the half behind by 6.  They came out the second half a bit sluggish, yet slowly but steadily clawed their way back into the game to take the lead again in the last two minutes and putting the game away with Turner hitting 7 of 8 free throws in the last 30 seconds.  Dutch 74, BV 66.  Not too bad for a team picked to finish second to last against the team picked to finish second. 

Not saying the Dutch will win the conference, not even saying they will compete, but it is certainly a nice win for the team tonight and something to help build a little confidence for the under sized Dutch.  The height must all be going to that great football giant in the NE part of the state, cause they sure didn't show up in Pella.   ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2011, 10:33:55 PM
Dubuque opens up IIAC play with a 70-58 win over Coe.  UD was 27-29 from the line :o  That's, uh, not too shabby
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 07, 2011, 11:04:48 PM
Dubuque moves to 2-0 in the IIAC with a 74-64 win @ Cornell
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 16, 2011, 04:39:14 PM
UD and Central must have very similar schedules as we have also played Coe and Cornell.  Better yet, we are 3-0 in the conference.  I think we started that way last year too, then Christmas break came and it mostly went downhill from there.   :(  Sure hope this year's break is kinder to the Dutch.  They are going to Puerto Rico over the break, hopefully they can do some good team bonding and come back even stronger.  I like what I am seeing this year, lots of good outside 3 pt shooting and no stars, just good team play where they can't shut down one player and consequently the whole team.  I expect that as the season continues we will see some players, most likely Demarco Turner, start to shine but I would be really content to see this team continue to function as a strong executing team.  They are doing a good job of getting the ball to the open man. 

My biggest concern at this point is that they are not tall and there is a desire to see balanced scoring inside and outside.  As long as the outside shots are falling at a strong percentage, I hope they don't try too hard to force an inside game against some of the taller teams we are bound to run into.  We did that last year and it was frustrating to see blocked shots, charging fouls and turnovers under the basket simply in the name of trying to get or keep an inside game going.   

Hope everyone has a great Christmas and stays safe for the holidays.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 29, 2011, 09:54:45 PM
UD beats Rockford 79-74 tonight in the 1st round of their winter classic or whatever their tourney is called.  They play in the championship game tomorrow night against I don't know who.  I will get to have that game on the computer while I hopefully am watching the Hawkeyes beat Ooooooooooklahoma in the Insight Bowl. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 04, 2012, 07:20:59 PM
Apparently WB isn't streaming the Central games or giving live stats tonight.  Guess they can't figure out how to do it without the students around.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 04, 2012, 07:49:12 PM
Well, the streaming eventually came up for the Central-WB women's game, I just wanted to make sure it was going for the men's game, but I'm not terribly hopeful given whoever they have running the camera.  In the few minutes I did see before the half, I had no idea what the score was as that was not shown until halftime.  Then again, maybe that was a blessing for the women's game.   ;) ;) ;)  But the guy has nodded the camera up and down, focused on the exit sign while the game was going on and chose not to show the end of the half when Central got the ball.  Again, that may be a blessing. 

Looking forward to the men's game.  Hopefully the Dutch don't fall off after Christmas break like last year.  Central won their two games in Puerto Rico. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 08:57:26 PM
Klompen...good to see you back here!!!

UD/Loras tonight...video here...http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/dbq.portal#

UD women lost to Loras earlier tonight...at least I think they did.  It was 62-50 Loras with a few seconds remaining when I got back to work here at the office. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 04, 2012, 09:06:08 PM
Hey everyone, long time reader first time poster.

I will be filling you all in for the Coe/Simpson game tonight.  Interested to see how both these teams perform.  From what I've seen by records, both teams should be a lot better than their record says.  I guess tonight will see who in the conference is ready to play.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 04, 2012, 09:12:04 PM
Hi Doolittle and Co Coe Nut.  I am so frustrated with WB and their video.  Everytime I am trying to start watching it takes forever for the black box to disappear.  But I have it now, so I will try to keep you informed.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 04, 2012, 09:17:05 PM
Coe out to an early 23-12 lead, led by their hot shooting.  In particular Wirth.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 04, 2012, 09:47:19 PM
Coe 46 Simpson 36 at half.  (9) 3 pointers for Coe in the first half.  Shooting at about a 60% clip right now.  Having a tough time with Simpson's pressure however.  If Coe continues to turn the ball over it could be an interesting game in the second half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 09:48:24 PM
Well this will make my night at the office better, getting updates from other games from you two.  Thanks.  Right now Loras is up on UD 27-25...don't know if it's half time or a time out...I'm only occationally getting a look see at the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 09:49:17 PM
Welcome to the board C C N
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 10:08:39 PM
Dubuque on a bit of a run up 40-33...Loras calls time out...Dubuque football players dancing in the crowd...cue up Klompen switching channels ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 04, 2012, 10:17:08 PM
Thanks for the welcome Dolittle.  Coe up 74-53 with ten minutes left.  5 players with over 10 points for Coe.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 10:25:01 PM
Is Coe that good, or is Simpson that bad, or a combination of the two?  I haven't been paying attention to the conference standings too well this year. 

UD up 52-43...not sure how much time left...the camera keeps focusing in on the dancing football players during timeouts and not the scoreboard to show me the time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 04, 2012, 10:28:53 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 10:25:01 PM
Is Coe that good, or is Simpson that bad, or a combination of the two?  I haven't been paying attention to the conference standings too well this year. 

UD up 52-43...not sure how much time left...the camera keeps focusing in on the dancing football players during timeouts and not the scoreboard to show me the time.

4:08 remaining at 9:29 CST .. UD 59 Loras 50
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 04, 2012, 10:41:21 PM
I was never tuned in, DD, but you are right, I would have changed over at that point.  Central up by 15 at the half, now by 11 with 4 minutes left. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 10:43:52 PM
Dubuque beats Loras 65-63...no audio for me at the office...made me unable to listen in while working...which meant I watched more and worked less as the 2nd half developed!!!

This has to be driving Loras crazy see their football AND basketball teams struggling...and losing to UD ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 04, 2012, 10:46:52 PM
Central wins at WB 76-69.  The Dutch had some sloppy ball handling late in the game and allowed some uncontested 3 pt shots, going with the odds since WB had not been doing much beyond the arc until we didn't contest the shots.  But a nice way to start off after the break.  Nice to see the Dutch off to a 4-0 conference start.  Keep it up Dutch. 

Sounds like those of us watching and posting tonight are being rewarded with wins.  It pays to watch and post I guess.   ;)

Very belated congrats to UD's Zweifel on the Gagliardi trophy, DD.  Glad to see the best of the IIAC recognized.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 04, 2012, 10:47:56 PM
Always fun to win against a rival, right DD?  Sounds like a close finish, good win for UD. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 04, 2012, 10:57:25 PM
Coe wins 90-75, even though Coe held a solid 20+ point lead the last 10 minutes of the game.  (Simpson continued to play their starters the last 3 minutes of the game.) 

Doolittle, to answer your question.....  As a Coe fan, I have to say they're that good!   :D  You don't shoot 60% being a terrible team.  However, we're undefeated at home, and have not won a game on the road yet.  The one possitive thing to see is 6 players with over 10 points.  With that type of balanced scoring it's tough to just lock down 2-3 players. 

Being someone heavily involved in the Coe Men's basketball program, the 6th place preseason ranking is a shame for Coe.  If not this year, next year this is a 20 win team.  They had struggles on the road early this season, but you have to remember there are a lot of young players on this team.  It's great to have Jake Raney back to help out Kevin Gaster with senior leadership.  Jake came back from injury and contributed in a big way tonight. 

Simpson forced a very up tempo game tonight, but struggled to handle Coe's ability to bring the ball up the court and show balance from all positions on the floor.  If you're going to press for 35 minutes, they need to be a more disciplined, and recognize shooter.

Great assist count for Coe tonight, with a relatively low amount of turnovers for the tempo of the game.  Looking forward to posting with you guys throughout the season!  Best of luck through this conference schedule.

Which brings me to a couple of questions.

1) Who is your prediction to win the IIAC this year?  Early favorite has to be Luther, do you see anyone that can bring them down this year?

2) Where did all the BV fans go?  If you have 3-4 non NCAA tournament apperances, do you lose your posting status?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 11:10:19 PM
There used to be a solid 5-10 very regular BV posters on here that would post on the basketball and football boards...they all seemed to disappear over the summer all at once.  Not sure what to make of that.  Loras always had decent numbers that posted on the basketball boards, but none of them would appear on the football board.  Now that Loras basketball isn't what it was they all went away.  Of course, as a regular NCAA tourney team in soccer they have some regulars on there...and they were nice...and comical enough to come on over to the football board and have some fun this year...which was different.  Simpson also used to have quite a few posters that have gone away just recently. 

The basketball board has always been less active than the football board, but we make a little noice cheering for our teams.  I'll be making it down to CR for the Coe/Dubuque game later this month with my son.  Maybe you can tell me where to park and the best way to get into Eby Fieldhouse.  I've never been to a basketball game there.  We'll be coming from the north on 380.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
Hey Klompen, the IIAC website has Wartburg beating your Dutch tonight ???

That got me looking up teams results tonight and under the schedule part there is a drop down window so you can look up individual teams instead of seeing the whole conference together.  And on there, there is a drop down window for Upper Iowa?!?!  Um, what???  Are the Peacocks coming back home???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 04, 2012, 11:54:50 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 04, 2012, 11:16:40 PM
Hey Klompen, the IIAC website has Wartburg beating your Dutch tonight ???

That got me looking up teams results tonight and under the schedule part there is a drop down window so you can look up individual teams instead of seeing the whole conference together.  And on there, there is a drop down window for Upper Iowa?!?!  Um, what???  Are the Peacocks coming back home???

Doolittle, looking at the IIAC website and Central is a comfortable 4-0 right now.  As for your previous post, CAN'T BELIEVE you haven't been to Eby yet.   :)  As for parking, easiest way for you to get to Coe is just come in off or 151, you will hit Marion, take a left at the first stop light (151/highway 13), take your second right on Collins road, and proceed to first Ave South/left.  Once you're on first Ave proceed to Coe Drive I believe, right after the Wendy's on First Ave., and head on down to Eby.  (It's a one way.)  You will see our campus left and right, but you should see signs for all our buildings.  Take a right, right after the raquet center and there should be stree parking available for you.  If you don't take that right you will have a long cold walk.  That's the best I can do for you.  (As for the directions, I may have had a few girlfriends in Dubuque that made me travel there.)  :)

I hope the Eby magic continues and the Spartans don't take another conference win from us!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on January 05, 2012, 08:23:28 AM
Co Coe Nut ... welcome to the board.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 07, 2012, 01:54:25 AM
Things will be crazy at Eby that day.  Looks like Coe has the IIAC Wrestling duals, a swim meet and the basketball doubleheader.  Make it a day and come watch Dubuque wrestle as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2012, 09:06:02 AM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on January 07, 2012, 01:54:25 AM
Things will be crazy at Eby that day.  Looks like Coe has the IIAC Wrestling duals, a swim meet and the basketball doubleheader.  Make it a day and come watch Dubuque wrestle as well.

Hmm, that would probably get my wife interested in making the trip as well.  She likes wrestling more than basketball and I think Dubuque wrestling might have a surprise or two up their sleeves this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 07, 2012, 05:40:45 PM
Pretty sloppy game at Eby right now.  Coe up 20-19 on Wartburg.  Coe's hot shooting has seem to stop today, perhaps due to a pretty stingy zone defense being played by Wartburg at times.  Also, Wartburg getting after it on the Offensive glass, but not capitalizing at this point.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2012, 06:34:53 PM
Video not working from Simpson. 

I believe the student announcer just said UD is up 72-61 with maybe 5 minutes left. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2012, 06:40:17 PM
Co Coe Nut...what's the score of your game???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2012, 06:48:05 PM
Dubuque wins at Simpson I think it was 81-67...the announcer wouldnt give the score too often, to move to 4-0 in the conference and 9-3 overall.  Simpson is now 1-4 in conference play and 4-9 overall...I think that is what the announcer said.   

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 07, 2012, 06:49:18 PM
Loras over Cornell, 84-74 (not that I can recall any posters here who would care!) ;)

(I wouldn't either except it was a game on the national pickems slate. :P)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 07, 2012, 06:58:00 PM
Doolittle, sorry thought I posted this.

Ugly game overall at Eby.  53-50 win for Coe.  Terrible outside shooting for both teams, and questionable officiating towards the end of the stretch.  Murphy was called for a charge with under 30 to play and it being a one point game.  Coe's player was most likely under the hoop or moving his feet....With the officials that were out there, this type of officiating does not surprise me.

However, this time it worked out in Coe's favor and will take the win any way we can get it!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2012, 07:00:05 PM
Coe takes care of business at home...that's what you have to do in conference play. 

Luther beat BV up in Decorah...and on Channel 9.2 71-63 to move to 4-0 in conference play.  Anyone remember when BV and Loras were conference powers???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 10, 2012, 09:21:55 AM
I only check in every few days, but I completely understand where you are coming from on many of your issues CCN.  I am a Central fan through thick and thin, though I don't post as often as I would like.  But if you are frustrated with Coe's 6th place preseason rank, just think how us Central fans feel.  We were ranked 8th and are 4-0 currently, including a win over your Coe team.  WB has not really done anything since Dick Peth came there and they are ranked higher than us when we finished higher than them last year with most of the team returning.  I think the preseason polls put most of the emphasis on past history and that might put us in 8th place.  But Boschee is making progress, even with a consistently undersized team.

And I also get a kick out of the disappearing BV fans.  They seem to only be able to follow a winning team, but then I shouldn't talk, I haven't been to the women's board in quite some time...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: IdahoSoccer1 on January 11, 2012, 09:36:30 AM
DuHawks are climbing up the polls, watch out
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 11, 2012, 11:53:54 AM
Good luck to Central, Coe and UD tonight.  Love to see the posters be happy.  Well, and it would help for Coe to win, WB too, but I just can't cheer for them, plus it won't happen.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 11, 2012, 05:32:53 PM
Predictions for the games tonight?  I see three teams that really need a win tonight, and are most likely considered underdogs according to league records.

Coe has had a tough time as of late playing up at Luther, I think it's due to the high altitude.   :)  Or perhaps Luther just being a solid, well coached team.  If Coe gets it going from the outside though, Luther needs to watch out.  Both teams match up well on paper, as far as players, but Luther has had our number over the past few years.  (I miss the days when Luther was a cupcake game!)  It would great to see a lot of upsets tonight to get the league within reach for everyone and keep the conference competitive. 

Here are my predictions:

I have to say this, Coe wins due to hot shooting and Seth Light staying out of foul trouble in the first half.  Look for Wirth and Mataloni to both go for 15+ points.  Possibly all threes.

As much as it pains me to say this, I want Wartburg to get a W tonight, but I don't see it happening after watching both the Coe v. Dubuque and Coe v. Warburg game.  Dubuque should be able to contain Sathoff and cruise to a victory.

Simpson/BV game between two struggling teams.  I don't see Simpson being able to take down BV, even though the Beaver Den will most likely be quiet tonight.

Can Loras actually play to the potential that they're always hyped with?  Sorry Klompen, but I hope they do.  However, Central absolutely throttled Coe at home.  I see similar results tonight against Loras.

Any wagers tonight?   :)


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 11, 2012, 05:33:52 PM
Also, even though there is no game on their schedule I still predict that Cornell will lose tonight.  Just HAD to get that jab in there!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 11, 2012, 06:48:13 PM
I predict that I will watch the UD/Wartburg game from my office computer tonight.  Working late so I can take tomorrow off and avoid the bad weather that is supposedly heading our way. 

Wins for UD in Waverly are few and far between...at least my memory thinks that.  But I predict a Spartan victory over the Knights tonight in Waverly.

Sorry CCN, but with your game in Decorah, I think the Norse move to 5-0 in conference play. 

Loras travels to Central???  Dutch win tonight. 

Simpson/BV???  No idea...whoever is playing at home...so I think that means BVU.

It's hard for me to wrap my head around the fact that BVU, Loras, Wartburg could all struggle to even make the IIAC playoffs this year.  As a Dubuque fan though, I am happy with that ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 11, 2012, 07:21:43 PM
Perfect, no audio on my work computer and Wartburg doesn't run the score on their screen >:(

Wartburg video has gone black and their live stats are showing the Wartburg/Central game...argh

Dubuque wins at Wartburg 71-66.  Spartans sweep the mens and womens games tonight!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 11, 2012, 11:23:26 PM
Hey, Doolittle I feel your pain with the WB website.  It takes forever to get off the black screen for some reason.  But at least you won.  Central was ice cold for shooting tonight, particularly in the first half, but we lead most of the game and won 81-73.  We just couldn't put them away like the Central I have gotten used to seeing this year has, but Loras has been a top tier team in the recent past, so I guess they could have had something to do with it.  We were not sharp at all, but to win on an off night against a team that played like they wanted it more, at least at times down the stretch, is a good thing.  Ugly maybe, but it still keeps us tied for the top spot.  I'm sure we must be saving our good stuff for UD on Saturday.  The Dutch do best when they are hitting from outside and tonight we were 2-13 from beyond the arc the first half.  And not any better directly under the basket and sometimes wide open. 

Ah well, like I said, we are saving the good stuff for Saturday.  Go Dutch!

How did the others do?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 11, 2012, 11:31:42 PM
Doolittle, it looks like a showdown for first place on Saturday as Coe beat Luther tonight.  Sure wish it was being played in Pella!  Bet it will be a great game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2012, 09:21:04 AM
Checked out the UD website to see if they had a write up of last nights game and anything about the upcoming Central game.  Very small story, but then we all can't have Larry Happel.  Anyway, glad to see the Spartans are recognizing reality, declaring the game to Central already.   :)  You know - GAME CENTRAL.   ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2012, 09:42:02 AM
Quote from: Klompen on January 12, 2012, 09:21:04 AM
Checked out the UD website to see if they had a write up of last nights game and anything about the upcoming Central game.  Very small story, but then we all can't have Larry Happel.  Anyway, glad to see the Spartans are recognizing reality, declaring the game to Central already.   :)  You know - GAME CENTRAL.   ;) ;) ;)

Video production for UD basketball isn't quite up to the UD football standards...but it's better than Wartburg ;)

Or if you feel like driving, you could have a pint and a burger basket at the Dog House or West Side Tap before heading over to McCormick/Stoltz for the basketball double header.  Mrs doolittle has been grumbling all week about how I better get some stuff done around the house I have been putting off because of all the good weather we have had this winter.  I'll be watching from home until the 28th when I get to take our son to the Coe game in Cedar Rapids. 

I am glad to see the preseason pollsters didn't really have a clue with their predictions.  Central and Dubuque weren't supposed to be doing this well.  I think Dubuque is on to some good things with Coach Sieverding.  Hopefully he stays around as long as Jon Davison.  A 30+ year run and multiple conference championships would be fine by me ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2012, 06:47:24 PM
Hmmm, UD wins IIAC football title, UD in tie for first in men's basketball.  Did you hire the WB financial aid director??? ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2012, 06:59:48 PM
I'm afraid I will be watching from home on Saturday.  I would love to make the trip, but things are a bit tighter financially now, and I hate to admit it, but if I had to go through the CR area on the way to UD, I might get horribly side tracked by another one of my time and money wasters.  This one tickles my feminine side as I love to shop the quilt shops and there are some really good ones in the Amana's and Cedar Rapids areas.  I get in one of those and lose track of time.  I would probably never make it to the game.  Leave it to a Dutch fan to spend hours picking out beautiful fabrics only to cut them all up just to sew them back together.  Then I can't even use the ones I make to keep warm because my dogs would have pet hair all over them.   ::)

Then again, I might have to think about a trip to Coe!  Even though I am not a fan of the famed Eby Fieldhouse.  Heritage Designs and Pine Needles quilt shops have been calling my name for months now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 14, 2012, 05:47:37 PM
Dubuque leading Central 33-23 at halftime.  I believe that is the same score as the Iowa/Michigan game earlier today!!!

Link to the webcast...http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/dbq.portal#
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 14, 2012, 05:51:05 PM
You were right again, Doolittle, the video is not as good as football.  From what I see, the Dutch are ice cold again, therefore, I don't like the video!   :) :) :)  Hopefully the Dutch get hot the second half and do better as they did against Loras Wednesday night.  I figured UD would have the edge, being the home team, but the Dutch could be playing better.  Got to give credit to the UD defense though.  We aren't able to get the points or the rebounds very well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 14, 2012, 06:37:43 PM
I took a look at the preseason poll.  Dubuque was picked to finish 7th and Central was picked to finish 8th.  Today, these are the last two undefeated teams in conference play. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 14, 2012, 06:48:02 PM
Dubuque beats Central 72-54 in the battle of the 1st place teams in the IIAC.  And there was much rejoicing!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 14, 2012, 06:57:26 PM
And there was a long bus ride home.   :'( :'( :'(

Congratulations to UD.  The Dutch just didn't have it in them today.  I still wish we could skip the break as it never does well for us.  Cold shooting and good Spartan defense doomed the Dutch.  Not sure why they are so cold shooting from 3 land the last two games, but they need to get that touch back.  Having an inside game is nice, but I don't want it at the full expense of the 3 ptr. 

Oh well, time to regroup and get ready for Simpson Monday.  With the game today and more Monday, Wednesday and Saturday of this week, there is no time for crying.  Well, except on that long bus ride back.   ;)

Doolittle, I'm glad one of us enjoyed the game.  I expected UD would win as the home team, but I thought the Dutch would make it a game.  Spotting UD a 11-1 lead kept us from doing that.  Time to go back to playing a full game boys.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 14, 2012, 07:07:07 PM
Hey Klompen, as Little Orphan Annie was known to say...The sun will come up tomorrow   ;)

This is just one game, there is still a lot of season left for Central and Dubuque and everyone else.  But, I am very happy with where the Spartans are right now.  Robbie Sieverding has done a great job as coach and he has his players playing some good basketball.  For someone like me that remembers the 80's and early 90's this his how I think UD basketball should be playing.  I'm in the process of forgeting the late 90's early 00's and those 1-23 type seasons. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 16, 2012, 09:26:42 AM
Yeah, Doolittle, I think you said something similar after the football game, but it was really cloudy the rest of the season for the Dutch.   ;)  I'm counting on the Dutch rebounding (pun not intended) tonight at Simpson.  It won't be an easy week with coming back from a loss tonight, Luther on Wednesday and a rematch with UD Saturday.  It's gut check time for the Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 16, 2012, 09:43:33 PM
Luther leading Dubuque 29-24 at the half in Decorah
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 16, 2012, 09:59:07 PM
At least your game is close.  Apparently Central forgot how to play basketball and is down I think 45-23 against Simpson.  The shooting stats are even worse than at UD.  I don't know why the Dutch run so hot and cold and I won't be able to tell you from the Simpson feeds.  They stop every 3 seconds to buffer, so you can't get any real idea of what is happening other than that the score is lopsided and the Dutch really hit the skids.  It just seems like this group of players can't deal with the pressure that comes from doing well.  They have been hot all season from the 3 point arc and again they are under 15% there.  I understand that players have off nights, but why is Central either everyone is off or everyone is on?  At this rate, I might as well go watch TV because the score and buffering are both incredibly frustratingl

Or maybe I will turn in to the UD/Luther game.  From the looks of it, neither team will have a problem with the Dutch later this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 16, 2012, 10:37:16 PM
Luther takes it to Dubuque in the 2nd half.  Final score Luther 66-44 over Dubuque in Decorah.  Luther held the Spartans 30 points under their season average. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 16, 2012, 11:03:55 PM
Ouch!  Central did play a little better the second half, but the hole was just too big again.  I was wrong too, Winker did have a great game and Turned had a good second half.  Well, so much for our teams ruling this year.  Hopefully at least one of them will bounce back.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 18, 2012, 09:47:46 PM
Dubuque leading BVU 37-31 at halftime...

...and falls apart in the 2nd half...BVU wins 73-62...ouch

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 19, 2012, 03:53:33 PM
Central started out poorly for the 4th consecutive game and for the 3rd time, it cost them the game.  They have to be ready to go from the start and that was something they did so very well at the start of the season.  At that time, expectations of them were low and they let that carry them to a 10-1 record with only a narrow 2 point loss.  Then it was time for the first place showdown with UD and they crumbled under the pressure and have struggle ever since. 

The encouraging thing is that last night Luther was a great team playing very tight defense and connecting on their shots, but the Dutch were able to battle back and make a game of it.  Jake Winkler has really stepped up his scoring since Nick M got hurt against UD and is playing great.  It seems like at the start of the season we were using 3's to jump out to big leads that other teams struggle to dig out of, now we are establishing an inside game and I think we sacrificed a great outside game to work on it and we just haven't been able to get back to that.  I would love to see Central come back with that outside shooting confidence Saturday against UD.  Sorry, Doolittle.  Seems both our teams are sliding a bit lately.  At least one of us will right the ship Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Phred on January 19, 2012, 04:10:52 PM
Seems to me that Simpson and BV are the teams to watch from here on out.  Both could give Luther a hard time.  Too bad the Knights are not what they were under Buzz.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 19, 2012, 04:29:13 PM
Sorry for not posting in a while guys.  Been on the road quite a bit.  Saw the Coe/BV game in person, and it definetly was not Coe's night.  Terrible shooting performance from Coe, and a great shooting performance from BV.  It looked to me that their bigs and their outside shooting were really hitting.

One comment for Phred.  BV, most definietly, Simpson, questionable?  Really, it's any teams conference to win right now.  (With the exception of Cornell, Warburg, and Loras.)

As of right now, Coe is the only team to topple the defending conference champs in Luther.  (At Luther.)  With that said, it's going to take a lot of help from every team in the conference to take out Luther half way through the conference season. 

My predictions, seeing quite a few of the teams play so far this year.

1)  Luther (I wish I could say Coe, but they're sitting nice right now.)
2) Coe (Still a young team at the beginning of the season, but realizing what it takes to win now.  Especially on the road.)
3) Dubuque  (May come down to the same result as last year.  Same record as Coe, but Coe wins the tie breaker.)
4) BV  (Looked good against Coe, and apparently took it to Dubuque.  If they win at home, they jump up to the 2 spot.)
5) Central  (Lack of size, may be coming to fruition.)
6) Simpson (Talented team, but I think they lack discipline defensively, especially down the stretch when the games really matter.  Also, if they're not hitting shots, see previous comment.)
7) Loras (They're just too talented not to win a more games then the basement dwellers.)
8) Wartburg.  (May get a couple of wins if Murphy and Sathoff both have great games.)
9) Cornell (Don't think there is a debate here....)

It truly is any team's conference to win right now, but those are my predictions.  Let's look back on these in a 3 weeks or so.

I see the road to the NCAA tournament going through Decorah, with Coe beating Dubuque in the second round.  What happens after that, toss-up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 19, 2012, 04:47:34 PM
BV didn't take it to Dubuque.  Dubuque lead until about 12 minutes left in the game and then it was about a 4 point BV lead until Dubuque needed to foul with about 2 minutes left in the game. 

Now Luther...they took it to Dubuque ;)  Dubuque @ Luther was a see/saw battle in the 1st half with Luther going on a run at the end of the half and then the 2nd half was all Luther, all the time. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iowan on January 21, 2012, 03:26:24 PM
Co Coe Nut: I dont see how you can put Coe & BV ahead of Central. Central beat Coe by 21 and BV by 8. I do think Luther is the team to beat in the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 21, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
Here are my impressions from the first half of the IIAC season:
1.  It seems that physical play is being tollerated more this year than last.  Hand checks still aren't allowed, but the refs aren't calling the defenders bodyblocks on shots.  I think this works to the advantage of Coe and BV as their big men have done a lot of work in the weight room during the off season and use their hips and shoulders well.  I think the physicallity is being allowing because other conferences out muscle IIAC teams in the NCAA tournament. 
2.  Simpson has the most athletic team in the conference, but also the streakiest (sp?).  Watch out if they get hot in February.
3.  Most games are being decided by double digit differences.  I'm not sure why that is.
4.  I like the new buzzer lights in the bankboards.  Why didn't anyone think of that before.
5.  Of all the teams in the IIAC, Luther has the hardest time keeping their shirts tucked in.

Sincerely yours,
5 Items or Less
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 22, 2012, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: iowan on January 21, 2012, 03:26:24 PM
Co Coe Nut: I dont see how you can put Coe & BV ahead of Central. Central beat Coe by 21 and BV by 8. I do think Luther is the team to beat in the IIAC.

Those games were also back in November and early December when Central was playing really well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Phred on January 22, 2012, 03:50:10 PM
Luther seems the team to beat.  I do think however that Simpson will make a comeback and watch BV.
Cobbers not doing so well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 22, 2012, 04:33:23 PM
What happened to the programs at Loras and Wartburg?  Those are pretty big drop offs in a pretty quick period of time.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Phred on January 23, 2012, 02:26:43 AM
What I hear is that Wartburg has a lot of conflict between teams and in the athletic dept.  I don't know about Loras.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iowan on January 23, 2012, 02:45:48 AM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on January 22, 2012, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: iowan on January 21, 2012, 03:26:24 PM
Co Coe Nut: I dont see how you can put Coe & BV ahead of Central. Central beat Coe by 21 and BV by 8. I do think Luther is the team to beat in the IIAC.

Those games were also back in November and early December when Central was playing really well.


So a win in first part of the season doesnt count?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 23, 2012, 09:14:12 AM
Quote from: iowan on January 23, 2012, 02:45:48 AM
Quote from: Kohawk Krazy on January 22, 2012, 02:50:47 PM
Quote from: iowan on January 21, 2012, 03:26:24 PM
Co Coe Nut: I dont see how you can put Coe & BV ahead of Central. Central beat Coe by 21 and BV by 8. I do think Luther is the team to beat in the IIAC.

Those games were also back in November and early December when Central was playing really well.


So a win in first part of the season doesnt count?

Number one, Central is already behind in the race to Coe and BV.  Coe was rough on the road at the beginning of the season, and I can go back to numerous occasions when Coe gets beat by Central and then takes care of business at Eby against the Dutch.  BV is always better at the end of the season.  (How many times has BV got into the tournament as a low seed and then made the NCAA tournament?)  Also, I believe my point on Central's lack of size is still valid.

Guess will just have to see how the season turns out.  As many sports people like to say Iowan: "What have you done for me lately?"  This is conference ball in January not November.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 23, 2012, 10:49:29 PM
IIAC Midseason Offensive Power Rankings

Coe ... 182.0181
Central ... 181.3191
Luther ... 175.5092
Dubuque ... 169.9045
Buena Vista ... 168.6244
Simpson ... 168.0600
Wartburg ... 167.7448
Loras ... 158.1023
Cornell ... 142.8256


IIAC Midseason Defensive Power Rankings
Luther ... 153.1135
Central ... 161.4275
Dubuque ... 161.4726
Cornell ... 161.7770
Buena Vista ... 162.4552
Simpson ... 167.9300
Coe ... 168.2353
Wartburg ... 168.7026
Loras ... 175.1184
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 23, 2012, 11:32:46 PM
I was looking through Central's stats tonight to see if there is a common thread explaining their current 4-game skid.  One of the things that I noticed was that when the Dutch were winning, Nick Marinkovich was in the lineup playing 30 minutes a game off the bench and regularly scoring double digits (7.8 ppg season average).  What's happened?  Did he get hurt? 

They also lost the rock nearly twice as often as their opponent (52-29).  Hopefully they can get their turnover problem corrected.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 24, 2012, 09:07:44 AM
Very belated congratulations to UD on their win over the Dutch.  Central's current problem, for those on the board wondering, is that they are only playing half a game these days.  At the start of the season, Central came out early and put on a big lead with 3 pt shooting making it hard for teams to battle back, now Central is on the losing side of that same scenario.  We did a big hole, play a good second half, but can't overcome a bad start. 

Early on Boschee commented that he wanted to work on the inside game and I expressed concern on here that we would do so at the expense of great outside shooting.  100% accurate.  One difference is certainly that Marinkovich is out, he was injured in the game at UD in the first half or early in the second.  He was one player really coming into his own at that point and it was a very untimely injury.  Also KJ Cool who was so hot early is now living up to his name, but it might be better changed to ice cold.  Brock Caves is doing a great job on defense and running the offense, but his scoring has also dropped.  I do think size is an issue and there are times that the inside game is going to be tougher because of our lack of it and we have lost our outside shooting touch, so that leaves little in the tank.

The team is coming out strong after the half, so Boschee knows what to say to them, but why can't he get them fired up out of the gate.  To Central's credit????  Last year they started the slide immediately after the Christmas break, at least they kept winning a bit longer this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 25, 2012, 10:33:29 AM
Two big games for the middle of the conference teams this week. 

Central at Coe and Simpson at Dubuque.

Luther at home against Loras and BV on the road to Wartburg.

Predictions for the games tonight?  It would be great to see a couple of upsets tonight to help Coe out.  It would be great to see Loras to play up to their potential/hype for once tonight and take it to Luther.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 25, 2012, 10:57:55 AM
Article in the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald...
http://www.thonline.com/sports/local_sports/article_260b2749-e379-58f4-b679-f7acaf08db16.html?success=1

The AD at Dubuque had some insight to the IIAC basketball race.

Spartan showdown tonight -- When you're chasing an Iowa Conference title in an airtight race, there's no breathing easy.

Sitting a game behind first-place Luther (14-3, 8-1), the Spartan men (12-5, 7-2) hosts sizzling Simpson (8-9, 5-4) for another must-have game at 8. The Storm are surging on a four-game-winning streak that has brought it back to the fringe of the wide-open league race.

"It's a white-knuckle race," Runkle said. "The thing about our conference is it's so even, certain teams match up better against other teams. It's all about matchups.

"(The league title) is going to come down to the old saying: You've got to win at home and steal on the road."

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 25, 2012, 09:39:08 PM
Very low offensive production from both teams at Eby.  Halftime score, 20-19 Coe is up.  Lot's of dribble drive and simple passing around the arc.  No hard cuts to the basket nor any post touches to really speak of.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 25, 2012, 09:46:30 PM
It looks like Central is trying to get back to the outside shot, but we are only 1-10 from beyond the arc.  Only good thing is that Coe is equally cold.  Very low offensive production indeed.  Hope the Dutch heat up and your Kohawks stay Koldhawks.   ;) 

Dutch sure could use Marinkovich.  Not sure what his injury is, only that he has his arm in a sling, not sure if it is in a cast or not, could be a shoulder injury for all I can tell.  It is certainly one less weapon for the Dutch.  It is good to see the Dutch staying with a team the entire first half, makes me hope they can put together a whole game.  But if Coe gets hot, it could get ugly, well, given that both teams are cold, it could get ugly either way, I would just think of the Dutch getting hot as a beautiful thing instead of ugly.   :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 25, 2012, 09:48:09 PM
Paying customers at UD getting twice the scoring for their money as those at Eby ;D

Halftime UD 41-38 over Simpson.  Both teams doing a little run and gun.  Fun to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 25, 2012, 10:11:34 PM
I would like to say the Dutch left the Kohawks on their own in Glacier National Park, but with 11 minutes left it is 30-30.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 25, 2012, 10:30:16 PM
Dubuque leading Simpson 72-59. Both coaches frustrated...refs letting the teams play physical.  There will be some bruises on the players tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 25, 2012, 10:39:08 PM
Dutch stay cool in the second half, Kohawks turn luke warm and pull away in the last few minutes, the game isn't officially over, but...

What has happened to my Dutch?  They were in it at least until the last couple of minutes.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 25, 2012, 10:41:31 PM
Now Coe is teasing us, letting us think we have a chance.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 25, 2012, 10:41:44 PM
Dubuque wins...I think the final was 75-67 over Simpson. 

8-2 now in the IIAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 25, 2012, 10:49:18 PM
WHOOOOOOHHHH, huge sigh of relief.  On 16-50 shooting from the floor the Kohawks get the W.  Made some big free throws down the stretch.  Anybody know about the Luther Loras game or the Wartburg BV game?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 25, 2012, 10:50:09 PM
Coe wins, but you have to love the Coe video guy that chooses to video the coaches watching the action instead of the action as the Dutch try to make a comeback. 

I guess Central needs the season to end at Christmas break two years in a row.   :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 25, 2012, 10:51:36 PM
Congratulations to Coe on the win.  Co Co Nut, glad one of us enjoyed the end.  Best of luck to you the rest of the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 26, 2012, 12:04:06 AM
Per Luther's SID:

"Trailing 42-39 with just under 11 minutes left in the game, Luther put together a 32-5 run en route to the victory. The Norse also stepped it up defensively holding the Duhawks to just 22 percent in the second frame"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 26, 2012, 07:57:57 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 26, 2012, 12:04:06 AM
Per Luther's SID:

"Trailing 42-39 with just under 11 minutes left in the game, Luther put together a 32-5 run en route to the victory. The Norse also stepped it up defensively holding the Duhawks to just 22 percent in the second frame"

Luther scores 39 points in the first 29 minutes of the game...then scores 32 points in the final 11 minutes...hmm
Loras scores  42 points in the first 29 minutes of the game...then scores 5 points in the final 11 minutes...hmm

Was Luther just toying with the Duhawks? 

Is Loras so mentally broken by this point in the season that once Luther started to go on a run, they just gave up?? 

Would 5WOL recommend Mrs Doolittle and I get a burger and a brew at Topling Goliath next fall when we visit for the football game...or should we stick with Mabes or some other establishment 5WOL prefers???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 01:59:13 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 26, 2012, 07:57:57 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 26, 2012, 12:04:06 AM
Per Luther's SID:

"Trailing 42-39 with just under 11 minutes left in the game, Luther put together a 32-5 run en route to the victory. The Norse also stepped it up defensively holding the Duhawks to just 22 percent in the second frame"

Luther scores 39 points in the first 29 minutes of the game...then scores 32 points in the final 11 minutes...hmm
Loras scores  42 points in the first 29 minutes of the game...then scores 5 points in the final 11 minutes...hmm

Was Luther just toying with the Duhawks? 

Is Loras so mentally broken by this point in the season that once Luther started to go on a run, they just gave up?? 

Would 5WOL recommend Mrs Doolittle and I get a burger and a brew at Topling Goliath next fall when we visit for the football game...or should we stick with Mabes or some other establishment 5WOL prefers???

Toppling Goliath doesn't serve food  :-\
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:15:42 AM
They do to!  They serve pretzels.  8-) 

If burgers and brew is what you want, I like T-Bocks on Water St. in downtown Decorah.  But if you really want your money's worth, and if you don't mind skipping the brew with your burger, I'd recommend eating in the College's cafeteria high above Carlson Stadium.  You'll get all you can eat for 8 bucks and if you get there early, you can even get a window seat near the press box to listen in on the chatter of the coordinators, SID and radio announcers.  Bring along a prospective student and eat for free ... and to be honest, the food aint all that bad. :)

Sincerely yours,
5 words or more
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:17:42 AM
Pretzels are snacks, not food.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:26:17 AM
Snacks, food, whatever!!!  They're calories and that's what fuels the engine.  I can remember a few meals in college where pretzels and dip were the main course.  I mean, c'mon man, loosen up a little bit ... I'm just trying to help the guy find a descent meal in town.  All you have to say is that "TG doesn't serve food" and you leave him hangin.  What good is that Mr. truncated sentence guy.

Disgustedly yours,
5 words or more
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:27:12 AM
Shut up - we'll be banned  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:38:28 AM
No we won't.  Pat's too busy with the MIAC guys to take note of anything posted on the IIAC board.  Besides, the terms of service say nothing about schitzophrenia.  ::)  Besides, no one has ever backed up my viewpoints on this board.

So there >:(
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Quote2. DO NOT attempt to have a conversation with yourself using various handles, or create a separate persona just to have someone to back up your viewpoint. If your opinion is reasonable, somebody else will back you up. Duplicitous posts will be removed. No discussion. No arguments. I have access to the source of all posts -- I would not allow completely anonymous person to use a complex script on my server. And don't use the excuse that it's several people all using the same computer. If you're all using the same machine, then talk amongst yourselves and keep us out of it. Don't use us as your soapbox to repeatedly bash an athlete, coach, school, etc. Similar offenses involve "rolling the board" -- posting nonsense or an identical or similar message many times on one board -- or being a "troll" -- making inflammatory posts simply to incite an argument.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:40:53 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:38:28 AM
No we won't.  Pat's too busy with the MIAC guys to take note of anything posted on the IIAC board.  Besides, the terms of service say nothing about schitzophrenia.  ::)  Besides, no one has ever backed up my viewpoints on this board.

So there >:(
5 words or more

Quote2. DO NOT attempt to have a conversation with yourself using various handles, or create a separate persona just to have someone to back up your viewpoint. If your opinion is reasonable, somebody else will back you up. Duplicitous posts will be removed. No discussion. No arguments. I have access to the source of all posts -- I would not allow completely anonymous person to use a complex script on my server. And don't use the excuse that it's several people all using the same computer. If you're all using the same machine, then talk amongst yourselves and keep us out of it. Don't use us as your soapbox to repeatedly bash an athlete, coach, school, etc. Similar offenses involve "rolling the board" -- posting nonsense or an identical or similar message many times on one board -- or being a "troll" -- making inflammatory posts simply to incite an argument.


Quit being a troll
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2012, 02:42:03 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:38:28 AM
No we won't.  Pat's too busy with the MIAC guys to take note of anything posted on the IIAC board.  Besides, the terms of service say nothing about schitzophrenia.  ::)

"Schitzophrenia"? Is that some sort of mental diarrhea? ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:53:42 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 27, 2012, 02:42:03 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:38:28 AM
No we won't.  Pat's too busy with the MIAC guys to take note of anything posted on the IIAC board.  Besides, the terms of service say nothing about schitzophrenia.  ::)

"Schitzophrenia"? Is that some sort of mental diarrhea? ;D

Forget it ... he's rolling  ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=fvwp&NR=1&v=q7vtWB4owdE
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 27, 2012, 08:21:08 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:15:42 AM
They do to!  They serve pretzels.  8-) 

If burgers and brew is what you want, I like T-Bocks on Water St. in downtown Decorah.  But if you really want your money's worth, and if you don't mind skipping the brew with your burger, I'd recommend eating in the College's cafeteria high above Carlson Stadium.  You'll get all you can eat for 8 bucks and if you get there early, you can even get a window seat near the press box to listen in on the chatter of the coordinators, SID and radio announcers.  Bring along a prospective student and eat for free ... and to be honest, the food aint all that bad. :)

Sincerely yours,
5 words or more

Would our 10, 8, and 6 year old children count as prospective students?  ;D

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 27, 2012, 08:29:22 AM
And I love when 5WOL/5WOM battles with him/herself on here  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Co Coe Nut on January 27, 2012, 08:40:49 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:15:42 AM
They do to!  They serve pretzels.  8-) 

If burgers and brew is what you want, I like T-Bocks on Water St. in downtown Decorah.  But if you really want your money's worth, and if you don't mind skipping the brew with your burger, I'd recommend eating in the College's cafeteria high above Carlson Stadium.  You'll get all you can eat for 8 bucks and if you get there early, you can even get a window seat near the press box to listen in on the chatter of the coordinators, SID and radio announcers.  Bring along a prospective student and eat for free ... and to be honest, the food aint all that bad. :)

Sincerely yours,
5 words or more

What about Mabe's downtown?  Great pizza joint!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 29, 2012, 09:28:22 AM
Games last night...

Wartburg 62 Luther 53   
Cornell 68 Loras 76   
Coe 70 Dubuque 58   
Buena Vista 69 Central 68

Standings...

Luther     9-2  Top 4 teams should have an interesting final 5-6 games to the finish line.
Coe        8-3  Of course, all that really matters is winning the conference tourney.
Dubuque 8-3  There won't be 2 teams from the IIAC making the tourney. 
BVU        7-3
Simpson  5-5
Central    5-6 On a 6 game losing streak, but could still make some noise.
Wartburg 3-8
Loras       2-9 Only 2 wins are against Cornell...what is going on with Loras?
Cornell    1-9

Luther travels to UD this wednesday will be a big one. 

So far Dubuque lost at Luther, split with Coe, lost to BVU, swept Simpson, swept Central, won at Wartburg, beat Loras, won at Cornell.  If Dubuque can get a split with Luther and BVU and then sweep Wartburg, Loras, and Cornell that would be a darn good year...and would set them up for at least a share of the conference title. 

I think Luther is still the favorite.  Simpson and Central could still have a say in who wins depending on who those two teams have yet to play. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 30, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
Woo-hoo! I scored UD/Luther tickets!  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 30, 2012, 11:08:46 PM
Coe - hottest team in January:

BV 6-2
Central 1-6
Coe 7-1
Cornell 1-6
UD 6-3
Loras 2-7
Luther 6-2
Simpson 4-3
Wartburg 2-6

... Can Coe win out?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 30, 2012, 11:33:20 PM
I don't see the Kohawks winning out, but on the same note, I don't think anyone does.  As the last few games have proven, almost anyone can beat anyone on a given night in this league.  I do see Coe winning the title, mainly because they have split with UD and will play Luther in the final game.  I believe a win there should give them the title.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 31, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
KCRG 9.2 will be televising the Coe vs. Simpson  game on Wednesday night and will replay it on: 2/4 @ 10:00a, 2/11 @ 10:00a, 2/18 @ 2:00pm.  http://www.kcrg.com/9point2/tv-schedule 

KCRG 9.2 telecast the game between Luther and BV earlier this year and did a teriffic job.  Their announcers were complementary toward the both schools giving positive comments and credit to the individual players as appropriate.  It would be nice if the Conference website would make mention of this added publicity. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 01, 2012, 01:39:29 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 31, 2012, 01:42:29 PM
KCRG 9.2 will be televising the Coe vs. Simpson  game on Wednesday night and will replay it on: 2/4 @ 10:00a, 2/11 @ 10:00a, 2/18 @ 2:00pm.  http://www.kcrg.com/9point2/tv-schedule 

KCRG 9.2 telecast the game between Luther and BV earlier this year and did a teriffic job.  Their announcers were complementary toward the both schools giving positive comments and credit to the individual players as appropriate.  It would be nice if the Conference website would make mention of this added publicity.

Like this?

http://iowaconference.com/news/2012/1/31/IIAC_0131125527.aspx (http://iowaconference.com/news/2012/1/31/IIAC_0131125527.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 01, 2012, 09:12:56 AM
Central breaks losing streak by beating up on Faith College last night.  It was a lopsided game against a team without any weapons, but it was a good game for the Dutch coming off of such a run of bad luck.  The Dutch are getting stronger again and coming out of the slump as evidenced by a very good game at BV, not a win, but as close as Central has come up there in decades.  Marinkovich had his arm out of the sling last night, but did not dress.  Don't know if there is any chance he will come back this season or not.  The one player that has really impressed me during this slump is Jake Winkler.  He is looking really strong in all facets of the game right now.  Of course, he looked exceptional last night making good moves to the basket, rebounding, defense, you name it.  Nice to see KJ thawing back out and making some Cool shots from the 3 line.  Maybe we can heat back up a bit before it is too late to make the conference tourney.  Don't count the Dutch out yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 01, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 30, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
Woo-hoo! I scored UD/Luther tickets!  :D

I was forgetting the game was in Dubuque...safe travels...wave at the camera tonight!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 01, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 01, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 30, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
Woo-hoo! I scored UD/Luther tickets!  :D

I was forgetting the game was in Dubuque...safe travels...wave at the camera tonight!!!

Fog scuttled trip - webcastration tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 01, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 01, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 01, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 30, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
Woo-hoo! I scored UD/Luther tickets!  :D

I was forgetting the game was in Dubuque...safe travels...wave at the camera tonight!!!

Fog scuttled trip - webcastration tonight

Webcastration n. - frustration watching buffered webcasts
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 01, 2012, 10:46:47 PM
Dubuque beats Luther 64-55

There is a tie at the top of the IIAC standings.  As my old roomate "Phil from Brazil" Philip Reid used to say...Oi yaaaaah!!!  He would say a lot of other stuff as well...but not appropriate for here ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 01, 2012, 11:11:00 PM
Tonights scores...

Dubuque 64 Luther 55   
Loras 65 Buena Vista 68   
Simpson 76 Coe 60   
Cornell 39 Wartburg 52 

Standings...

Luther     9-3 remaining games Central, Simpson, @BVU, @ Coe
Dubuque 9-3 remaining games @Loras, Wartburg, @BVU, Cornell
BVU        8-3 remaining games Coe, @Simpson, Dubuque, Luther, @Cornell
Coe        8-4 remaining games @BVU, Cornell, @Wartburg, Luther
Simpson  6-5
Central    5-6
Wartburg 4-8
Loras      2-10 only 2 conference wins are against Cornell...Seriously, what is going on with the Duhawks???
Cornell   1-10
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 02, 2012, 12:33:48 AM
I'm thankful that plans didn't work out to go to Dubuque tonight ... it would've been a very long drive home. >:(

I was able to watch the UD/Luther game on the web while KCRG 9.2 broadcast Coe/Simpson on the tube. :)  Congratulations to UD for the win, but I must say that neither team looked very good down the stretch.  The Spartans shot 27% from the floor in the final 12 minutes of the game while the Norse managed only 14% including an inconsiquential layup with 14 seconds left.  Luther was trailing by one point (49-48) with 11:58 to play and only scored 7 points for the entire rest of the game ... two field goals and three free throws.  YUCK! :P

What I saw was tentative play from the Norse as it seemed that NO ONE WANTED TO SHOOT THE DANG BALL!  I was hollerin' at the freakin' computer as I watched Luther players repeatedly drive to the hoop from the wing, but would pass the ball to an equally guarded teammate only a few feet away as the Spartan defense rotated and filled - USE YOUR SEPARATION AND TAKE THE 8-FOOTER DANGIT!  I watched in frustration as Wedemeier and Matos were pushed 3-4 feet off the block before receiving the entry pass and were then unable to do anything with their post moves - USE YOUR LEVERAGE AND HOLD POSITION!  I sat dumfounded as UD's defense smothered Dane Larson (zero points in the first half) because he left 3-foot gaps off the picks - ARRRGGH - SHOULDER SCREENS ARE SO FUNDAMENTAL!

I know Coach Franzen saw all of this and more and will right the ship. He doesn't have much time though, because Simpson is coming to town on Saturday and if they match their performance against Coe, things could get dicey.  Simpson couldn't miss from the arc and played to the TV cameras running at least 3 alley-oops.  I thought that they also kept Coe off balance with their defense holding Mataloni scoreless in the first half. 

There's still a lot of basketball to play ... this is getting fun!   
Sincerely yours, 5 words or more
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 03, 2012, 12:17:28 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 01, 2012, 11:11:00 PM
Tonights scores...

Dubuque 64 Luther 55   
Loras 65 Buena Vista 68   
Simpson 76 Coe 60   
Cornell 39 Wartburg 52 

Standings...

Luther     9-3 remaining games Central, Simpson, @BVU, @ Coe ... Opponents composite record = 27-18
Dubuque 9-3 remaining games @Loras, Wartburg, @BVU, Cornell ... Opponents composite record = 15-31
BVU        8-3 remaining games Coe, @Simpson, Dubuque, Luther, @Cornell ... Opponents composite record = 33-25
Coe        8-4 remaining games @BVU, Cornell, @Wartburg, Luther ... Opponents composite record = 22-24
Simpson  6-5
Central    5-6
Wartburg 4-8
Loras      2-10 only 2 conference wins are against Cornell...Seriously, what is going on with the Duhawks???
Cornell   1-10

Dubuque has easiest remaining schedule
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2012, 11:30:58 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 03, 2012, 12:17:28 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 01, 2012, 11:11:00 PM
Tonights scores...

Dubuque 64 Luther 55   
Loras 65 Buena Vista 68   
Simpson 76 Coe 60   
Cornell 39 Wartburg 52 

Standings...

Luther     9-3 remaining games Central, Simpson, @BVU, @ Coe ... Opponents composite record = 27-18
Dubuque 9-3 remaining games @Loras, Wartburg, @BVU, Cornell ... Opponents composite record = 15-31
BVU        8-3 remaining games Coe, @Simpson, Dubuque, Luther, @Cornell ... Opponents composite record = 33-25
Coe        8-4 remaining games @BVU, Cornell, @Wartburg, Luther ... Opponents composite record = 22-24
Simpson  6-5
Central    5-6
Wartburg 4-8
Loras      2-10 only 2 conference wins are against Cornell...Seriously, what is going on with the Duhawks???
Cornell   1-10

Dubuque has easiest remaining schedule

I vote for giving Dubuque the title right now!!!

Luther gets the advantage of playing the next 2 games at home in winnable (is that a word) games.  If BVU, Coe and Dubuque find a way to lose a game in their next two...then Luther just has to win 1 of their last 2 on the road to share the title. 

But, you know, I vote to just give the title to the Spartans right now.  Football and mens basketball conference championships in the same year would be great for fans like me ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 04, 2012, 06:18:36 PM
Dubuque up 34-27 @ Loras at halftime 

Dubuque wins 68-63 @ Loras
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 04, 2012, 09:32:33 PM
Games today...

Coe wins 77-74 in OT @ BVU
Central wins 83-50 @ Cornell
Dubuque wins 68-63 @ Loras
Luther wins 74-63 over Simpson

Standings...

Luther     10-3  Central, @BVU, @Coe
Dubuque 10-3   Wartburg, @BVU, Cornell
Coe          9-4   Cornell, @Wartburg, Luther
BVU         8-4   @Simpson, Dubuque, Luther, @Cornell
Central    6-6
Simpson  6-6
Wartburg 4-8
Loras       2-11
Cornell     1-11

Games Wednesday...

Cornell @ Coe
Wartburg @ Dubuque
Central @ Loras
BVU @ Simpson
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 06, 2012, 08:53:28 AM
Central played Saturday like the Central from the beginning of the season, hitting threes and balancing the inside/outside scoring.  Cornell maybe at the bottom of the conference, but it was good to play such a solid and full game again.  Coincidentally, Marko Marinkovich was able to play again.  He took several nice shots on Saturday, not sure any of them actually went in, but ALL of them were on target, just maybe a touch too hard to stay in the hoop.  Not bad for missing so many games, with a little more practice they will go in.  Would be nice to see Central finish the way they started and with the teams they have left to play, they could do that.  I'm still impressed that we almost won at BV, not something Central has been able to do much of in recent years, even though we seem to have their number at home most years lately.

Way to come back, Dutch, I knew you weren't ready to call it a season yet.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 08, 2012, 07:53:03 PM
Luther's erecting more "funny bankboards" (http://www.decorahnews.com/news-stories/2012/02/1788.html)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 08, 2012, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 08, 2012, 07:53:03 PM
Luther's erecting more "funny bankboards" (http://www.decorahnews.com/news-stories/2012/02/1788.html)

Luther planning to change their school colors to green???

In case 5WOL is anxious to watch some IIAC basketball with the Norse not playing tonight...here is the link to the UD/Wartburg game.

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/dbq.portal#

Its the MC22 crew doing the game...multiple cameras and replays and all that jazz.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 08, 2012, 09:45:08 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 08, 2012, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 08, 2012, 07:53:03 PM
Luther's erecting more "funny bankboards" (http://www.decorahnews.com/news-stories/2012/02/1788.html)

Luther planning to change their school colors to green???

Reduced Utility Costs Boost Scholarships!  8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 08, 2012, 09:53:07 PM
Dutch doing a great job on the road at Loras tonight in spite of questionable foul calls.  Even Loras announcers thought two Dutch fouls could have been called against Loras.  Boschee gets early T, but it seems to have fired the Dutch up coming from 13 down with Loras always at the FT line to only 2 down at the half.  45-43.  Dutch really struggling as even the scorekeeper is against us, giving our points to Loras, but fixed at the half. 

Dutch will struggle the second half as well with multiple Dutch players fighting foul issues.  Given that they have shot 18 FT to our 5, not too shabby, Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 08, 2012, 10:04:29 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 08, 2012, 08:43:26 PM

In case 5WOL is anxious to watch some IIAC basketball with the Norse not playing tonight...here is the link to the UD/Wartburg game.

http://client.stretchinternet.com/client/dbq.portal#

Its the MC22 crew doing the game...multiple cameras and replays and all that jazz.

I don't know about 5WOL, but I'm sure interested.  But somethng isn't working because the protal screen is blacked out!Frustrated in Decorah,
5 words or more
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 08, 2012, 10:09:26 PM
Video is working for me.  What the heck happened.  It was 24-24 at half-time and I went upstairs to put my kids to bed and when I come back down a few minutes later its 46-34 Wartburg :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 08, 2012, 10:14:12 PM
GO Wartburg!  (Did I just say that???)

I've got it on now - wow, I'll be glued tight to the monitor tonight!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 08, 2012, 10:25:34 PM
It goes black during the commercials for MC22...that might have been what caught you off guard earlier.

Big dissapointment for UD tonight.  This is a game they should have won.

That is UD O-lineman Austin Hatzinger dancing during the time outs. 

UD retired Michael Zweifels #1 jersey tonight at halftime. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 08, 2012, 11:41:00 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 08, 2012, 10:14:12 PM
GO Wartburg!  (Did I just say that???)

I've got it on now - wow, I'll be glued tight to the monitor tonight!

I'm OK.  I just came to.  I must have passed out ... not because Wartburg won, but because I had a seizure after cheering for the Knights.  Condolences to Doolittle and the Spartan Nation.  Losing tonight hurts.  I know because they upset the Norse just one week ago.

This begs the question - what the hall heppend?  Wartburg's current three game winning streak seems to stem from a sudden recognition that defense is part of the game.  It their first 19 games, the Knights opponents made over 40% of their shots.  In the last three games, Luther shot 0.327 from the field, Cornell 0.291 and UD 0.333.  By contrast, the first time these teams played Wartburg, Luther shot 0.371, Cornell shot 0.466 and UD shot 0.420.  That 13% drop in offensive productivity hurt the Spartan's tonight.  I can't comment specifically on what the Knights were doing tonight because the webcast buffered quite a lot and looked like a series of still pictures, but I do remember Coach Franzen commenting that Wartburg's defense was disruptive and successfully trapped on the wings.

I also noticed that UD took over half of their shots from beyond the arc tonight.  They were 11-36 from three point land and 21-63 overall.  When UD played Luther, I thought that their big men did a good job of controlling the paint as UD shot 5-15 from beyond the arc and 22-48 overall.  I'd be surprised if Coach Seiverding doesn't "remind" his guards of that in tomorrow's practice.

Sincerely yours,
5 words or more
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 09, 2012, 09:44:56 AM
Congratulations to the Dutch for pulling out a fantastic win at Loras last night against the odds.  With the foul problems last night, I thought it would really strike the Dutch down the second half, but great job by the Dutch and the Dutch bench to handle the problems.  What a shot by Turner with one second left to nail the 3 dead on.  Impressive win, even if it was against a down Loras team.  Wins at Loras haven't been much easier to come by than wins at BV, I'm happy this morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 09, 2012, 09:54:21 AM
Quote from: Klompen on February 09, 2012, 09:44:56 AM
Congratulations to the Dutch for pulling out a fantastic win at Loras last night against the odds.  With the foul problems last night, I thought it would really strike the Dutch down the second half, but great job by the Dutch and the Dutch bench to handle the problems.  What a shot by Turner with one second left to nail the 3 dead on.  Impressive win, even if it was against a down Loras team.  Wins at Loras haven't been much easier to come by than wins at BV, I'm happy this morning.

Loras seems to lose every game right at the end.  They have been competitive in pretty much every game this season but they always find a way to lose.  Central is getting their wins at the right time of the season!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 09, 2012, 09:57:55 AM
Okay, now UD is showing just how new found their success is in football.  I know this is a BB board, but Doolittle brought up the retired jersey of MZ at halftime of the game.  I know that MZ was a fantastic football player, but really, retiring a jersey just because the guy wearing it won an award?    ??? ??? ???

Is this a decision by Coach/Daddy Z?  Just my opinion, but if you want to make a statement about where you are going as a team, you don't want to retire a number just because he was the best on the team, in the conference, or Division III.  Mt. Union and Whitewater wouldn't have very many numbers left to pick from if that was the case.  Let the guy play in the NFL before retiring his jersey.  Heck, I'm not sure Central did it with Vern's jersey until after he won his first of 3 super bowl rings.

Great honor for MZ and he is a deserving player for awards and recognition, but taking a number out of play for MVP status is not a wise move.  Maybe UD doesn't expect to need many jerseys with MZ gone? ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 09, 2012, 10:07:25 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 09, 2012, 09:54:21 AM
Central is getting their wins at the right time of the season!!!
You mean after they played UD twice?   ;D ;D ;D

Seriously though, we might have been in great shape if UD had just not injured Marinkovich.  He goes out, we start losing, he comes back, we start winning...

Of course, it may be coincidental that we also started slumping in the 3's dept when he went out and started hitting them again when he came back.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: Klompen on February 09, 2012, 09:57:55 AM
Okay, now UD is showing just how new found their success is in football.  I know this is a BB board, but Doolittle brought up the retired jersey of MZ at halftime of the game.  I know that MZ was a fantastic football player, but really, retiring a jersey just because the guy wearing it won an award?    ??? ??? ???

Is this a decision by Coach/Daddy Z?  Just my opinion, but if you want to make a statement about where you are going as a team, you don't want to retire a number just because he was the best on the team, in the conference, or Division III.  Mt. Union and Whitewater wouldn't have very many numbers left to pick from if that was the case.  Let the guy play in the NFL before retiring his jersey.  Heck, I'm not sure Central did it with Vern's jersey until after he won his first of 3 super bowl rings.

Great honor for MZ and he is a deserving player for awards and recognition, but taking a number out of play for MVP status is not a wise move.  Maybe UD doesn't expect to need many jerseys with MZ gone? ;)

Seriously? National MVP? All-time leading receiver in the history of the NCAA? I think that's setting the bar quite high and perfectly reasonable.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 10, 2012, 11:45:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 10, 2012, 12:30:35 AM
Quote from: Klompen on February 09, 2012, 09:57:55 AM
Okay, now UD is showing just how new found their success is in football.  I know this is a BB board, but Doolittle brought up the retired jersey of MZ at halftime of the game.  I know that MZ was a fantastic football player, but really, retiring a jersey just because the guy wearing it won an award?    ??? ??? ???

Is this a decision by Coach/Daddy Z?  Just my opinion, but if you want to make a statement about where you are going as a team, you don't want to retire a number just because he was the best on the team, in the conference, or Division III.  Mt. Union and Whitewater wouldn't have very many numbers left to pick from if that was the case.  Let the guy play in the NFL before retiring his jersey.  Heck, I'm not sure Central did it with Vern's jersey until after he won his first of 3 super bowl rings.

Great honor for MZ and he is a deserving player for awards and recognition, but taking a number out of play for MVP status is not a wise move.  Maybe UD doesn't expect to need many jerseys with MZ gone? ;)

Seriously? National MVP? All-time leading receiver in the history of the NCAA? I think that's setting the bar quite high and perfectly reasonable.

Reasonable to do it 2 months after the season?  I don't think Coe has done anything with Fred Jackson's jersey other than put one in the halls of Eby Fieldhouse.  Why wouldn't you just wait and do something during the football season next year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2012, 11:12:39 AM
If I were Mike, I'm sure my plans don't include me being available to be in Dubuque next football season. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 11, 2012, 11:39:54 AM
I found several examples of football jersey retirement at the D1 level, but is there precedent in D3?
... The more I looked, I noticed that many teams follow FSU's example of retiring jerseys and not numbers.  Most of Nebraska's retired jersey numbers are stilll listed on the current roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 11, 2012, 07:36:34 PM
Central did retire #84 after Vern proved he was in the NFL to stay awhile.   During his career he played in 4 Super Bowls, was on the winning team in the first 3, was named team MVP I believe in 1979, starter on the no-name defense for the  undefeated Miami Dolphins...  Yes, I set the bar high.

I would also have waited until football season, at minimum, even if Pat wasn't available for the Naitonal player of the year, leading all time receiver, etc.   ;) ;) ;)  But I am still a hard sell on retiring it at all, unless he goes on to bigger and better things.  Now, Freddie, I would understand.  What can I say, I have high standards.   :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 11, 2012, 07:47:49 PM
Congratulation to both Luther and Central on a very long and hard fought game today.  Double OT win by 3 today at Luther to help UD and Coe out.  Like to keep my fellow posters happy.   ;)  Fantastic game by Jake Winkler who could not be shut down inside and the Dutch still pulled out the win after he fouled out.  Nice free throw shooting at the very end to finally put the game away.  Haven't seen anything that close since Central FB team beat UD in triple OT.  (Had to throw it in, Doolittle.)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2012, 08:56:28 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 11, 2012, 07:36:34 PM
I would also have waited until football season, at minimum, even if Pat wasn't available for the Naitonal player of the year, leading all time receiver, etc.   ;) ;) ;)  But I am still a hard sell on retiring it at all, unless he goes on to bigger and better things.  Now, Freddie, I would understand.  What can I say, I have high standards.   :)

Doesn't matter to me whether I'M available. I said that perhaps Mike himself might have designs on being on an NFL roster next fall and not available to travel to Dubuque.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 11, 2012, 11:12:39 AM
If I were Mike, I'm sure my plans don't include me being available to be in Dubuque next football season. :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 11, 2012, 09:05:15 PM
Quote from: Klompen on February 11, 2012, 07:47:49 PM
Congratulation to both Luther and Central on a very long and hard fought game today.  Double OT win by 3 today at Luther to help UD and Coe out. Like to keep my fellow posters happy.     ;)  Fantastic game by Jake Winkler who could not be shut down inside and the Dutch still pulled out the win after he fouled out.  Nice free throw shooting at the very end to finally put the game away.  Haven't seen anything that close since Central FB team beat UD in triple OT.  (Had to throw it in, Doolittle.)

Me no happy  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on February 12, 2012, 12:06:46 AM
Assuming the Kohawks take care of business on Wednesday at Wartburg, Eby Fieldhouse should be rocking on Saturday afternoon to decide the IIAC Championship.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 12, 2012, 08:49:29 AM
This has been an interesting race towards the championship this year.  I suppose we could see Wartburg beat Coe on Wednesday...Luther beat Coe on Saturday...Dubuque finish out their season with a win over Cornell...BVU finish with a win and finish with a 4 way tie at the top with 11-5 records.  Hey, it could happen :o

This has been fun to watch and I'm not sure how the tourney will play out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2012, 11:20:08 PM
Coe wins @ Wartburg 67-55
BVU wins over Luther 67-49
Dubuque wins over Cornell 73-39
Central wins over Simpson 81-57

Standings...

Coe        11-4
Dubuque 11-5
BVU        10-5
Luther     10-5
Central     9-6
Simpson   8-7
Wartburg  5-10
Loras       3-12
Cornell    1-14

Games Saturday...

Luther @ Coe
Loras @ Simpson
BVU @ Cornell
Wartburg @ Central

I think it goes without saying that this old Dubuque fan will be watching the Luther @ Coe game with much interest and will be rooting for a Norse victory ;)

Hey Klompen...your Dutch could be considered the hottest team in the conference right now!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 16, 2012, 08:39:38 AM
Yeah, I would love to see them stay at the level they played at last night.  When they play a full game, great things happen.  If they can stay at this level of play, they have as good a shot as any of the teams ahead of them to have a great tourney.  The only team ahead of us we didn't beat was UD.  We would love another shot.  Glad to see they pulled themselves out of their slump and are finishing strong.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 17, 2012, 03:43:16 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 27, 2012, 02:27:12 AM
Shut up - we'll be banned  jinxed :o

Luther; 1-4 since 5WOM's arguement  :-[
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 17, 2012, 04:00:49 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 18, 2012, 05:48:28 PM
At the half in Cedar Rapids...Coe 24 - 23 Luther

Heading to OT tied at 58-58.  Neither team wanted to make a FT near the end of the game.  Coe and Luther each have 1 player that has fouled out.

Great job by the Coe announcer.  It is easy to be a homer and he has been very fair to both teams.  Well done. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 18, 2012, 08:11:58 PM
Congratulations to the Dutch for finishing the conference season on a winning note.  I'm not sure I would say they finished strong, but they did beat Wartburg.  In fact it was an exciting day at Central with the women winning by 1 in OT and the men winning by 1 when time ran out on WB.  We had a 1 point lead and they had 10 seconds left with the ball in their court.  They took 3 shots, one of which hung on the rim forever before falling off and they got all 3 rebounds as the Dutch seemed to think that once they shot the game would be over one way or the other and didn't seem to be thinking about blocking out or rebounding.  But fortunately, the clock ran out.

Good game by Wartburg and Sathoff.  Also have to give a shout out to the WB fan that bought a raffle ticket and won, but said to donate the winnings to charity.  Very classy thing to do.  I don't know what the raffle was for, I didn't really pay attention, but got to give the man credit for his generosity.  Maybe Warthog was there???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on February 18, 2012, 10:20:03 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 19, 2012, 09:46:29 AM
Congratulations to all the seniors who played their last game yesterday and to those who will be playing it in the conference tourney.  I know I have enjoyed watching Central's seniors grow and improve over the years.  I also will be glad to see a few seniors from other teams graduating as they gave us a tough 4 years.  I got back to my car yesterday to hear the wrap up of the Central game on the radio and couldn't help but agree with Coach Boschee.  Maybe because he said what I have pointed out on this board, "I can't help but think if Marinkovich had not gotten hurt, we would be hanging another conference championship banner in the gym."  Our first loss was when he got hurt at UD and our first conference win after a 6 game losing streak was the first game he was back, not that we probably could not have won that one without him.  He wasn't even a starter, but he was a high quality, frequent play, top substitute.  If onlys won't change anything and all teams have to deal with injuries, but you can't help wondering if we might not have won just a couple of those close games.  But I guess it is like the accident in Pella this week, all the wondering and what-ifs won't change the results. 

Good luck to the Dutch on Tuesday.  Time to turn it around and let the home team win the Central - Luther match up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 20, 2012, 10:18:54 PM
IIAC Tourney Home Court Advantage 49-9 (0.845)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 21, 2012, 09:44:17 PM
Simpson leading Dubuque 36-32 at the half. 

OT in Dubuque tied at 74.  Simpson has been on fire from the floor over the last 10 minutes or so. 

Double OT in Dubuque tied at 82.

Simpson wins in double OT 95-87.  Simpson just played an excellent game.  It's not anything Dubuque did bad, the Storm just shot lights out to end the game. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Phred on February 21, 2012, 10:31:10 PM
NORSE OVER DUTCH 63-60.

Central announcer did a great job.  Few words but descriptive and even handed.  Not a "homer".
Seems Luther included a player who had not been in many games that helped them to stay out of foul trouble. 

Congrats to Central on a fine season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 21, 2012, 11:11:34 PM
Why didn't Cornelius Mosby play?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 21, 2012, 11:40:36 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 21, 2012, 11:11:34 PM
Why didn't Cornelius Mosby play?
He finished the Loras game
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 22, 2012, 09:32:55 AM
Congratulations to Luther on an excellent win last night.  Sounds much the same as the Simpson-UD game in that I thought the Dutch played pretty well, Luther just played enough better.  Congratulations to the Dutch seniors that gave Central a 4th place conference finish instead of the 8th place predicted.  You have set the Dutch on the right path and put forth a great example for the younger players to follow.  We graduate some terrific players, but I am excited about some of this year's younger players as well.  It sure would be nice to get some height, going against those 6-9 guys is a little tough when you don't have the height to go one on one.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 22, 2012, 10:02:38 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 21, 2012, 11:40:36 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 21, 2012, 11:11:34 PM
Why didn't Cornelius Mosby play?
He finished the Loras game
From Simpson news release (http://www.simpsonathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/releases/20120222aksn8m)

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2012, 10:11:48 PM
He's no longer listed on the Simpson roster.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Phred on February 23, 2012, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2012, 10:11:48 PM
He's no longer listed on the Simpson roster.

Interesting that he is no longer on the roster, yet scored 15 points tonight against Simpson in the IIAC semi-finals. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 23, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Phred on February 23, 2012, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2012, 10:11:48 PM
He's no longer listed on the Simpson roster.

Interesting that he is no longer on the roster, yet scored 15 points tonight against Simpson :o in the IIAC semi-finals.

Now that's what I call "conduct detremental to the team!!!"  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 23, 2012, 10:45:55 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 23, 2012, 10:31:00 PM
Quote from: Phred on February 23, 2012, 10:11:05 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 22, 2012, 10:11:48 PM
He's no longer listed on the Simpson roster.

Interesting that he is no longer on the roster, yet scored 15 points tonight against Simpson :o in the IIAC semi-finals.

Now that's what I call "conduct detremental to the team!!!"  ;)

LOL!

Mosby did play tonight ... for Simpson, the school at which he's enrolled. ;) He had a double-double (17 and 15) in the Storm's loss to Buena Vista. But his name is still missing from the Simpson roster. (http://www.simpsonathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2011-12/roster)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 26, 2012, 11:28:20 PM
I predict:
POY - Wes Nordquist (2nd in league in scoring, captain on IIAC tournament championship team)
DOY - David Mataloni (Lead conference in steals, captain on IIAC conference champion)
COY -  Pat Juckem (Kohawks picked 4th in preseason poll - eventual champions)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2012, 07:59:55 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 26, 2012, 11:28:20 PM
I predict:
POY MVP - Wes Nordquist (2nd in league in scoring, captain on IIAC tournament championship team) David Mataloni, Coe
DOY - David Mataloni (Lead conference in steals, captain on IIAC conference champion) Tyler Wedemeier, Luther
COY -  Pat Juckem, Coe (Kohawks picked 4th in preseason poll - eventual champions)
http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2012/2/29/MBB_0229123101.aspx

Swami sees all, tells fibs
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 02, 2012, 11:14:24 PM
WU 71 BVU 59 ... on to recruiting
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 03, 2012, 12:21:31 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on March 01, 2012, 07:59:55 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 26, 2012, 11:28:20 PM
I predict:
POY MVP - Wes Nordquist (2nd in league in scoring, captain on IIAC tournament championship team) David Mataloni, Coe
DOY - David Mataloni (Lead conference in steals, captain on IIAC conference champion) Tyler Wedemeier, Luther
COY -  Pat Juckem, Coe (Kohawks picked 4th in preseason poll - eventual champions)
http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2012/2/29/MBB_0229123101.aspx

Swami sees all, tells fibs

Listen to 5WOL with caution
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on March 15, 2012, 10:32:13 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 01, 2012, 08:01:58 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on February 01, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 01, 2012, 07:07:27 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 30, 2012, 10:49:32 PM
Woo-hoo! I scored UD/Luther tickets!  :D

I was forgetting the game was in Dubuque...safe travels...wave at the camera tonight!!!

Fog scuttled trip - webcastration tonight

Webcastration n. - frustration watching buffered webcasts

Squirrels ... or so says the Mediacom cable guy as to the likely culprits that chewed off the plastic shielding protecting my aerial cable service thereby slowing down my internet connection and cause of my webcastration.    >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 11, 2012, 12:31:09 PM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with recruiting news...

http://www.thonline.com/sports/local_sports/article_1571eda1-4a7c-582d-98a3-47a0dac38790.html

From the article...

Western Dubuque all-state senior forward Cameron James will take his talents to Luther this fall.

The 6-foot-5 post man averaged 13 points and seven rebounds while helping lead the Bobcats to the brink of a state championship and a runner-up finish in Iowa Class 3A.

Luther went 17-9 last season.


Luther has somewhat quietly built themselves up into a conference power.  They aren't just a 1 and done team. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sportsknight on May 17, 2012, 07:42:27 PM
In other recruiting news, I can report that Cedar Falls G Caleb Konieczny is taking his talents to Dubuque.  Waverly-Shell Rock F/C Jesse Hendrickson will play at Loras.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on June 18, 2012, 12:34:32 PM
Mark Miller reports the finalists for the UW-Oshkosh job are..

https://twitter.com/WisBBYearbook/status/213662974437629952

Tim Gaubatz (assistant UW-Oshkosh)
Aaron Aanonsen (head coach Lakeland College)
Pat Juckem (head coach Coe College)
Richard Reed (head coach LaVerne University)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bballfan247365 on July 03, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Surprised that there is not much talk of the coaching carousel in the IIAC...  :-X

With Coe loosing Juckem to UW-Oshkosh and with Central possibly loosing their HC now that the Bemidji State job is down to two candidates - (with the SDSU Assistant withdrawing early in the process and the UIC coach being offered the job last week and turning it down) - it would seem that Boschee would be the logical next choice..

How does that shape the conference landscape and who fills those jobs at such a late date? ???

Thoughts???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 09, 2012, 08:25:10 PM
Quote from: bballfan247365 on July 03, 2012, 12:02:59 PM
Surprised that there is not much talk of the coaching carousel in the IIAC...  :-X

With Coe loosing Juckem to UW-Oshkosh and with Central possibly loosing their HC now that the Bemidji State job is down to two candidates - (with the SDSU Assistant withdrawing early in the process and the UIC coach being offered the job last week and turning it down) - it would seem that Boschee would be the logical next choice..

How does that shape the conference landscape and who fills those jobs at such a late date? ???

Thoughts???

Both schools have recently won conference titles which apparently put their coaches in demand for other jobs.  Coe Coach Juchem is from Wisconsin, so he is going home and too a top basketball conference, that makes sense.  I don't know anything about the Central situation. 

Short term it could effect those schools.  If those schools make the right hires then they will be fine. 

Of course my hope is this just excellerates the ascention of Dubuque to their rightful place at the top of the IIAC and coach Sieverding making a long term commitment to UD and staying 30 years or so just like Jon Davison.  But maybe that's just me ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 11, 2012, 09:33:28 PM
Boschee did get the Bemidji State job.

http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2012/07/central-coach-takes-d2-job
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on July 20, 2012, 12:48:46 PM
Looks like the Kohawks got themselves a pretty good coach.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Beaver44 on August 10, 2012, 05:17:03 PM
As did Central
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: newCCIWfan on October 22, 2012, 11:44:26 PM
I'm looking at catching a few early IIAC hoops games when I visit the inlaws in Dubuque. Anyone know whether Dubuque or Loras have any scrimmages coming up? I can't waith for D3 Hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 23, 2012, 02:56:53 PM
Quote from: newCCIWfan on October 22, 2012, 11:44:26 PM
I'm looking at catching a few early IIAC hoops games when I visit the inlaws in Dubuque. Anyone know whether Dubuque or Loras have any scrimmages coming up? I can't waith for D3 Hoops!

Nothing on the Dubuque website about scrimmages, but you could try emailing the coaching staff.  They could probably fill you in...you'd probably get a tour of the campus as well, if you asked.  They are pretty friendly there.   

Head coach: rsieverd@dbq.edu 
Asst coach : dbierman@dbq.edu 

I guess I could add there will be an alumni game this Saturday 10/27/12 at 7pm...or right after the football game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 12, 2012, 10:54:56 PM
Central's new coach brought one of his former assistant coaches with him, along with that coach's son who was a walk on at Iowa.  Sounds like we will be continuing the up tempo play which I am glad to see.  Our first game is Thursday night, will be interesting to see how things develop.  Here's hoping basketball goes better than football did. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 16, 2012, 09:58:49 PM
Went to Central's first game last night.  They played Monmouth and won easily, 96-82, very up tempo and they looked very well coached.  They made a lot of their breaks.  Branden Stubbs, new assistant coach's son, looked great early, but I don't think they ever took him out of the game and it wore on him in the second half.  Still a great addition to the team, I just hope they don't wear him out. 

I was always a Boschee fan and he certainly improved the level of play at Central, but could not keep us at the top once we got there.  I'm impressed with Coach Douma.  The team looked like they were having fun out there, they made things happen, they played unselfishly and very much as a team.  I don't know that our early schedule will be a good way to judge things as we have scheduled teams we hope we can compete with and win, but it was a good first collegiate win for Coach Douma. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 17, 2012, 09:00:35 AM
Dubuque beat Benedictine last night @ the Illinois College tourney 81-69.  They got 12 players in the game and Mitch Michaelis did not play.  Getting a big win with Mitch sitting out is a good sign.  Of course, you never really know what your team will look like until the conference part of the season starts. 

Hey Klompen, my 95 year old great uncle...Central class of '39 (his daughter is UD class of '64) wants to know if Central is going back to being known as a basketball school...as it was back in his day!!!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 17, 2012, 01:38:14 PM
Nope, Central will forever be a football school, even when we won 3 consecutive national championships in VB, we were a football school.   :D  The women have something like 4 softball national titles, 3 volleyball, one basketball, one cross country and one track and we are still a football school.  But maybe with the decline this year in FB and the improvement in wrestling and hopefully basketball, we might not mind the ONLY off season as much.   ;)

Central has a game today, I think against Fortbonne, my prediction is 110-40, given past games against them.  It would be nice to start playing some tougher non conf competition as we do in FB.  In Central's game Thursday, all but one player played in the first half.  Not sure if the other one is injured or what.

I see Coe is tied 3-3 in the second qtr of their playoff, not good.  I was hoping with an easier draw they would dominate.  I guess Central playing them fairly well early shook their confidence.   ;) ;) ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 17, 2012, 08:32:10 PM
Well, I knew I was optimistic with my prediction for today's game, but it was far closer than it should have been.  It looked like the team was taking this game for granted in much the way I was.  It looked like we played down to their level, but we won and it was never really in doubt, so that is good.  Jacob Winkler had a great game, but was in foul trouble much of the time.  I don't think today's officiating crew members are his biggest fans.   ;)  His hook shot is really something, I hate to say it, as it really dates me, but he reminds me so much of Vern Den Herder. 

Coach Douma is a very involved coach, guess we can't yell, "Sit down Coach" anymore.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 18, 2012, 09:35:41 AM
Dubuque moves to 2-0 on the season with a 66-60 win @ Illinois College over Illinois College.  Even more impressive is Dubuque has done this without junior, Mitch Michaelas. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 21, 2012, 01:14:50 PM
UD beat Elmhurst in OT, 72-71.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 23, 2012, 10:35:45 PM
Central beat Cornell by 3 at Cornell.  Off to a 3-0 start with a new coach and lots of graduated starters from last year.  Not too bad.  Of course, we don't have anyone that could score 138 points a game or 70, good thing we dropped Faith Baptist from our non-conference schedule. 

I can't imagine watching someone score that many points, defense was not the name of the game.  Not sure how I feel about what one person scoring that much says.  I think it is great for the kid, and I understand feeding the player with the hot hand, but given how much GC won by, should he have still been playing?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 24, 2012, 08:21:25 PM
I believe UD moves to 4-0 on the season with a 64-56 win over cross town rival Clarke University...played at the UW-Stout Turkey Shootout. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 24, 2012, 09:53:42 PM
And Central goes to 4-0 with a 92-84 win at Eureka College, a team we beat 59-56 last year at home.  I think maybe we have had a different player as high point man in each game, or at least 3 of 4 if not all 4.  Nice start for the Dutch and good momentum builder early in the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pioneer_fan04 on November 24, 2012, 10:49:10 PM
IIAC vs WIAC showdown in P-vegas tomorrow afternoon Wartburg vs Platteville 3pm.  1st real matchup of the regular season for the Pioneers should be a good one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 27, 2012, 07:36:17 AM
Dubuque lost @ UW-Stout 61-51 after leading at the half 31-30.  Sounds like a cold shooting second half.  A WIAC poster described UD as good size but poor guard play.  UD must have added some height, because they have recently run a 3 guard lineup and relied and their guard play.  Klompen can remember her favorite UD player Taylor Blum and his lack of height ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on November 27, 2012, 05:44:16 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 27, 2012, 07:36:17 AM
Dubuque lost @ UW-Stout 61-51 after leading at the half 31-30.  Sounds like a cold shooting second half.  A WIAC poster described UD as good size but poor guard play.  UD must have added some height, because they have recently run a 3 guard lineup and relied and their guard play.  Klompen can remember her favorite UD player Taylor Blum and his lack of height ;)

We're still pretending klompen is female?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 28, 2012, 07:35:39 AM
Dubuque moves to 5-1 on the season, beating North Central 80-65.  Dubuque shot 59.6% from the field. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 28, 2012, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 28, 2012, 07:35:39 AM
Dubuque moves to 5-1 on the season, beating North Central 80-65.  Dubuque shot 59.6% from the field.

I got all excited until I realized it was North Central in Minnesota and not Illinois.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 28, 2012, 04:27:18 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 28, 2012, 04:12:43 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 28, 2012, 07:35:39 AM
Dubuque moves to 5-1 on the season, beating North Central 80-65.  Dubuque shot 59.6% from the field.

I got all excited until I realized it was North Central in Minnesota and not Illinois.

Hmm, I guess I had thought they played NCC of Illinois in a tourney in MN.  I guess I was wrong.  Well, it's still a win I guess.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
There IS a slight difference between North Central (MN), which has never had a winning season in the years d3hoops.com reports for them, and North Central (IL), which is undefeated and ranked #5 in the country! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AO on November 28, 2012, 05:35:33 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 28, 2012, 05:22:51 PM
There IS a slight difference between North Central (MN), which has never had a winning season in the years d3hoops.com reports for them, and North Central (IL), which is undefeated and ranked #5 in the country! ;D
However, this is probably one of the better years for North Central (MN).   They played River Falls close for a half and beat St. Mary's.  They tallied 10 steals with only 11 turnovers while Dubuque committed 20 turnovers. 

You'll get a direct score comparison of the North Centrals this season as Wheaton comes to Minneapolis.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 28, 2012, 10:57:24 PM
Central loses their first game tonight, but played great against undefeated Wm Penn.  Penn fans were loud and annoying the Central fans just enough, that by the second half the Central fans started getting a little vocal as well.   ;D  It was anybody's game until the 5 minutes left mark when Penn knocked down a couple of 3's and rattled the Dutch a bit.  I was expecting us to get beat and for it to be an ugly game, but the Dutch really played with them and lead by 4 at one point in the second half.  We gave them a ton of free throws in that last few minutes and still only lost by 9, 92-83. 

All in all, I thought the Dutch played very well, particularly being outsized by quite a bit under the basket.  Jacob Winkler continues to play outstanding ball and Matt Greenfield has really come on strong this year.  Given the graduation losses, I am very hopeful for the conference games.  I think we made a great hire with Coach Douma.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on November 30, 2012, 12:45:07 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on May 11, 2012, 12:31:09 PM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with recruiting news...

http://www.thonline.com/sports/local_sports/article_1571eda1-4a7c-582d-98a3-47a0dac38790.html

From the article...

Western Dubuque all-state senior forward Cameron James will take his talents to Luther this fall.

The 6-foot-5 post man averaged 13 points and seven rebounds while helping lead the Bobcats to the brink of a state championship and a runner-up finish in Iowa Class 3A.

Luther went 17-9 last season.


Luther has somewhat quietly built themselves up into a conference power.  They aren't just a 1 and done team.

It seems to me that Luther's guard court will say a lot about how good they will be this year.  Against the Oles they played very well at times, but the guard court almost fell apart at the end of the game when the Oles were trying to get back into it.

They have lost twice to UW schools, but are 3-2 overall and have a couple nice inside players again this year.  Tyler Wedemeier is averaging 18 points, 10 rebounds, and 2 blocks per game, and John Androus is a good player as well.  As long as someone hits open shots from the outside and those guys are healthy and not in foul trouble, the Norse should be solid again this year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 01, 2012, 07:04:01 PM
Dubuque beats Silver Lake College 86-57 tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 05, 2012, 09:45:52 PM
UD beats cross-town rival Clarke 65-57 @ UD.  2 weeks ago at the UW-Stout Tourney UD beat Clarke 64-56.  Clarke won at Loras earlier this week 70-65. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on December 08, 2012, 12:26:59 AM
Got to see my Norse tonight and I am really excited about this year. Think we have the best post players in the conference. And everyone knows that we are always one of the best defensive teams in the iiac.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2012, 07:13:36 PM
Dubuque moves to 8-1 on the year with an 89-40 win over Blackburn College.  I am anxious to see how the conference part of the schedule plays out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on December 08, 2012, 10:59:35 PM
Will be interesting as usual

Loras Simpson wartburg look weak. All other teams look like they could make a run at it

How does Loras and wartburg have the best gyms and the last few yrs horrible basketball teams

Last 3 conf champs are coe Luther central. Those are the worst gyms in iiac

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2012, 11:01:54 PM
Good gym =/= good team

Bad gym =/= bad team

It's not about the gym. It's about the players who play in it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 09, 2012, 02:03:57 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2012, 11:01:54 PM
Good gym =/= good team

Bad gym =/= bad team

It's not about the gym. It's about the players who play in it.

Well, we all know that.  The thing is, at the time that Loras and Wartburg built their new basketball gyms, the conference powers in mens basketball were BVU/Loras/Wartburg.  Loras and Wartburg built new palaces for their winning teams and immediately took a nose dive in the conference standings.  Interestingly, attendance and atmosphere looks like they went south at both of those places as well after their new digs were built.  While obviously good coaching and players provide you a winning team, it was expected that the new facilities would assist Loras and Wartburg in continuing their winning formula.  It's turned out to not be the case at all.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on December 22, 2012, 10:37:53 PM
Simpson MBB = Transfer U.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on December 22, 2012, 10:40:08 PM
Where's strength of schedule listed?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on January 03, 2013, 11:27:15 PM
Conference starts Saturday. We have looked pretty good in non conference games against a tough schedule.  Need to take care of business against a lesser Loras team.
Really think iiac has 5 good teams and 3 bad teams this year. Loras Simpson Wartburg will fight for last playoff spot. Other 5 teams all have shot for title. Last 4 conf champs Coe Luther Central BV.Dubuque wants to get in that mix. Might be best team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 09, 2013, 10:50:00 PM
Dubuque wins @ Coe 63-59
BVU beats Loras 79-74
Luther beats Simpson 59-53
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 10, 2013, 08:00:09 AM
Wartburg goes to 2-0 @ home to start conference schedule.  Beat Central 86-78.
Knights were up 15 with 2:21 left. Dutch hit 5 3's down the stretch and Wartburg went 10-14 from the line.
Former U of Ia walk-on Stubbs had problems guarding Murphy or Flenor.
Bench has played great in first 2 games.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on January 10, 2013, 10:29:40 AM
Luther wins a defensive battle with the storm. Another coach of year for coach franzen?

Surprise of the year has to be wartburg. Two good wins so far.
Still have a long ways to go.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 10, 2013, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 10, 2013, 08:00:09 AM
Wartburg goes to 2-0 @ home to start conference schedule.  Beat Central 86-78.
Knights were up 15 with 2:21 left. Dutch hit 5 3's down the stretch and Wartburg went 10-14 from the line.
Former U of Ia walk-on Stubbs had problems guarding Murphy or Flenor.
Bench has played great in first 2 games.

That sounds like the UD/Coe game.  Coe hit 4 3-pointers in 1:21 while Dubuque went 3-10 from the line to cut it to a 2 point game.  UD then makes 2 free throws with 6 seconds left to eek out a 4 point win that should have been larger.  14-27 from the line won't get you too many victories on the road.  But I will take it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 11, 2013, 07:27:41 AM
Don't know how UD did from the line in non-conf but they were 12-24 from the line @ Wartburg last Saturday.

Quote from: doolittledog on January 10, 2013, 02:13:48 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 10, 2013, 08:00:09 AM
Wartburg goes to 2-0 @ home to start conference schedule.  Beat Central 86-78.
Knights were up 15 with 2:21 left. Dutch hit 5 3's down the stretch and Wartburg went 10-14 from the line.
Former U of Ia walk-on Stubbs had problems guarding Murphy or Flenor.
Bench has played great in first 2 games.

That sounds like the UD/Coe game.  Coe hit 4 3-pointers in 1:21 while Dubuque went 3-10 from the line to cut it to a 2 point game.  UD then makes 2 free throws with 6 seconds left to eek out a 4 point win that should have been larger.  14-27 from the line won't get you too many victories on the road.  But I will take it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 11, 2013, 08:14:41 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 11, 2013, 07:27:41 AM
Don't know how UD did from the line in non-conf but they were 12-24 from the line @ Wartburg last Saturday.
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I think we found UD's Achilles heal...free throws.

14-21
8-12
13-18
16-27 Loss 61-51 @ UW-Sout
12-18
14-27
14-21
5-11
24-34
14-21
12-24 Loss 69-58 @ Wartburg
14-27

Of course, the flip side of that is if Dubuque can be 11-2 while shooting that poorly from the line, then they could be REALLY good if they can improve their FT shooting.  They play good defense, rebound well, shoot decent from the field.  It looked mental from the line while I watched the Coe game.  Some FT shots barely hit the rim. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 12, 2013, 08:26:24 PM
Sorry I have been absent for awhile, but the Christmas curse on Central men's bb continues.  We started the season off great, I had to admit they were exceeding my expectations.  They played great together, everyone looked like they were having fun and the team put team ahead of individual accomplishments.  Then things started turning down a bit and with just the slightest downturn, everything started to turn.  We pulled out some wins against so-so teams, but not as big as early season would have lead me to believe we could have.  And the individuals started playing for themselves.  I don't know that they were putting themselves first, maybe they all just wanted to be the one to bring the team up, but it no longer looked like a team effort.  Then with a few more wins under their belt, they took Christmas break off and they haven't won since.  Every year the same thing.  Not sure if that is because the early competition was that bad or what, but the Dutch really struggle to get it together for the second half of the season.  I listened to the Coe game and thought I heard that while we were taking time off, they played 4 games.  No surprise who was ready to play. 

Somehow we lead by 8 at the half against Coe, then only score 15 points the entire second half.  We spot WB a 26 point lead, then decide to finally start playing.  Tonight we lead nearly the whole first half, but couldn't hit the few free throw attempts we got and couldn't get any kind of consistency going.  Luther does have very good post players, and we played with the Norse better than I thought we might have.  If we would bring that kind of effort to all the games, we probably would not be 0-3 in the conference. 

Ugh, so frustrating.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 14, 2013, 12:19:26 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 12, 2013, 08:26:24 PM
Sorry I have been absent for awhile, but the Christmas curse on Central men's bb continues.  We started the season off great, I had to admit they were exceeding my expectations.  They played great together, everyone looked like they were having fun and the team put team ahead of individual accomplishments.  Then things started turning down a bit and with just the slightest downturn, everything started to turn.  We pulled out some wins against so-so teams, but not as big as early season would have lead me to believe we could have.  And the individuals started playing for themselves.  I don't know that they were putting themselves first, maybe they all just wanted to be the one to bring the team up, but it no longer looked like a team effort.  Then with a few more wins under their belt, they took Christmas break off and they haven't won since.  Every year the same thing.  Not sure if that is because the early competition was that bad or what, but the Dutch really struggle to get it together for the second half of the season.  I listened to the Coe game and thought I heard that while we were taking time off, they played 4 games.  No surprise who was ready to play. 

Somehow we lead by 8 at the half against Coe, then only score 15 points the entire second half.  We spot WB a 26 point lead, then decide to finally start playing.  Tonight we lead nearly the whole first half, but couldn't hit the few free throw attempts we got and couldn't get any kind of consistency going.  Luther does have very good post players, and we played with the Norse better than I thought we might have.  If we would bring that kind of effort to all the games, we probably would not be 0-3 in the conference. 

Ugh, so frustrating.

I only got to watch the 2nd half on the computer, but it looks to me like Central still has some guys that can shoot the ball (like St. Olaf). 

It did look like the Norse had a big advantage inside, but I thought that last year as well even when I saw the Dutch beat the Norse in double overtime.  Since Luther missed a regular season co-championship by one game, the Central and Coe games are still pretty fresh in my memory. :'(

Tyler Wedemeier has been fun to watch all season, but the Dutch got to see Zach Matos at his best.  He had 28 points after not scoring against Simpson.  He is averaging 11 a game on the season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on January 15, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
Great to see Norse at 3-0, but 3 wins (loras Simpson central) combined 0-9.
A lot of years wins against loras and central are good wins but might be this year.
We will know a lot more in a week.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Phred on January 16, 2013, 05:10:36 PM
BV vs Norse seems to be the big game tonight.  My coin is on the Beavers but Luther's defense may come through.  Toss up !!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 16, 2013, 08:51:10 PM
Can't make it over to the gym tonight, flu bug.  So i'm trying to get the video and it tells me I am watching the game, but the screen is blank.  I had that trying to watch the Coe game too, what do I need to do?  I can't seem to find anything about it on the web.  Stretch site says if I can watch you tube, I can watch stretch internet and you tube still works fine.  Ideas?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on January 16, 2013, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 16, 2013, 08:51:10 PM
Can't make it over to the gym tonight, flu bug.  So i'm trying to get the video and it tells me I am watching the game, but the screen is blank.  I had that trying to watch the Coe game too, what do I need to do?  I can't seem to find anything about it on the web.  Stretch site says if I can watch you tube, I can watch stretch internet and you tube still works fine.  Ideas?

email SID - remove lense cover  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 17, 2013, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: Norsanity on January 15, 2013, 09:17:00 PM
Great to see Norse at 3-0, but 3 wins (loras Simpson central) combined 0-9.
A lot of years wins against loras and central are good wins but might be this year.
We will know a lot more in a week.

I thought the same thing as I watched parts of all three games, but Central did beat Dubuque last night to move into the win column.

It is still so early in the season though, and so many of the conference games have been close scores.  I am happy the Norse are 4-0 as they do not have a big margin for error with the inconsistent offense.

A 10-6 or 11-5 record this year could be enough to tie for the league title.  I haven't seen Wartburg or Coe yet though.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 17, 2013, 01:12:03 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on January 16, 2013, 11:33:30 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 16, 2013, 08:51:10 PM
Can't make it over to the gym tonight, flu bug.  So i'm trying to get the video and it tells me I am watching the game, but the screen is blank.  I had that trying to watch the Coe game too, what do I need to do?  I can't seem to find anything about it on the web.  Stretch site says if I can watch you tube, I can watch stretch internet and you tube still works fine.  Ideas?

email SID - remove lense cover  ;)

Overall through the years I have been happy seeing Norse home games on the computer, especially compared to telecasts (or lack of them) by other schools.  I also have thought that the audio and video were done better than some others (especially during baseball season), but the video work has not been quite as solid during basketball season so far.  The team winning the games makes everything better though.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 17, 2013, 01:26:32 PM
Quote from: Phred on January 16, 2013, 05:10:36 PM
BV vs Norse seems to be the big game tonight.  My coin is on the Beavers but Luther's defense may come through.  Toss up !!

It was even as both teams struggled on offense overall yet the post players for both teams came up big down the stretch.  I only saw the game from the end of the 1st half to the conclusion, and Tyler Wedemeier looked great for most of that.

Wes Nordquist looked very good as well for the Beavers.  They should have a very good season!

Luther plays good defense and has a good inside game on offense, but I would feel better about them if they had guys they could count on to score from the outside.  Crocker and others have provided that on some nights, but often it is outside scoring by committee.

Big win for the Norse though as they have lots of road games in a short amount of time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 21, 2013, 11:07:20 PM
UD wins in OT at home over Luther 76-73.

I figured out tonight that for UD to win I have to stay away from the computer.  Each time I would tune in the Norse would go on a run, so I walked away from the computer.  If only I had done that last weekend for the UD/Central game. 

Luther gets their shot at revenge on Saturday with a rematch against the Spartans. 

This is making for an interesting year as 0-5 Loras beat 5-0 Wartburg last night.  Who knows what the rest of the season has waiting for us. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 22, 2013, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 21, 2013, 11:07:20 PM
UD wins in OT at home over Luther 76-73.

I figured out tonight that for UD to win I have to stay away from the computer.  Each time I would tune in the Norse would go on a run, so I walked away from the computer.  If only I had done that last weekend for the UD/Central game. 

Luther gets their shot at revenge on Saturday with a rematch against the Spartans. 

This is making for an interesting year as 0-5 Loras beat 5-0 Wartburg last night.  Who knows what the rest of the season has waiting for us.

Maybe Luther lost because I did not watch any of it last night?  I am very sorry if that was the case.  Sounds like the Spartans made some big plays to force OT.

The reality for the Norse is that they are 5-1 in the league but that most of the games have been close (2 in OT).  They have been leading in most of the games (at times by double digits like last night), but every road game they have played has been pretty tight in the closing minutes.

Some team might go on a big run here pretty quick, but it feels like 10-4 (Not 11-5 :)) will put you in the hunt for the title.

This stretch of games seemed tough in that the Norse were playing 3 road games and the B.V. home game in such a short period of time.  Even if Luther beats Wartburg on Wednesday, they still have Dubuque on Saturday and then two road games right after that.

If you like close games then this is the league for you!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on January 22, 2013, 02:16:11 PM
I'll take 5-1. Nice win by mr doolittledog. You guys always find a way to win those close games

Remember only 14 game conference this yr

I think will have to be 10-4 to win it

After we beat wartburg Saturday will have to go 4-3 the rest of way to get there.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 22, 2013, 03:18:12 PM
I will bet you Luther does NOT beat Wartburg Saturday. They play TOMORROW ! ;)

I thought Wart would go 1-1 in the Sat @BV - Monday @Loras games

Congrats to Mitchell Murphy for setting the Wartburg School record for career assists @ BV.
Go Knights!

Quote from: Norsanity on January 22, 2013, 02:16:11 PM
I'll take 5-1. Nice win by mr doolittledog. You guys always find a way to win those close games

Remember only 14 game conference this yr

I think will have to be 10-4 to win it

After we beat wartburg Saturday will have to go 4-3 the rest of way to get there.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 23, 2013, 09:38:34 PM
We have Dish Network so no Channel 9.2 for us means watching the Loras feed on the computer.  Apparently, if the Loras defender doesn't draw blood against a UD player, it's considered a "touch foul" by the Loras pbp announcer. 

Good game though.  19-19 with 7:00 left in the 1st half. 

Dubuque leads 30-28 at the half.  Loras hit a 3 pointer at the buzzer.  All 9 Spartans that have got into the game in the 1st half have scored. 

After listening to this Loras announcer, I appreciate the job Tim Lary has done broadcasting UD games the last few years.  This takes homerism to a whole knew level. 

UD pulls away late for a 78-66 win over cross town rival Loras   

Luther beat Wartburg 75-61

BVU beat Coe 70-64

Simpson beat Central 75-70
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 23, 2013, 11:53:38 PM
Congrats to the Spartans on the win.  I don't know if I feel that much better that they won again after beating the Norse on Monday, but it looks better for the Norse.  It should be another good game on Saturday.  I will watch this one though. :)

I also watched big chunks of the Luther-Wartburg game tonight.  The Norse big guys inside played well and the Norse hit some 3s, so that usually bodes well for the fans from Decorah.  Luther led for much of the game like the other league road games this year, but unlike the road games against Central, Coe, and Dubuque this game did not tighten up down the stretch.

I can't for sure say I have watched games on the computer through all of the other schools websites in the league, but for at least two straight seasons the Knights broadcast of a basketball game was tough to watch.  The audio was tough with lots of streaming noise and the video was not sharp at all.  The video speed was up and down, especially in the 2nd half.  So congrats to Wartburg as they once again figured out a way to stick it to Norse fans. :D 

The Norse broadcasts have been a little off this year compared to some others, but I guess I needed to see the Knights broadcast to remind me of what it could be.  I would rather have the better football program though than the better video-audio production.

The BV-Coe game would have been fun to watch tonight.  Coe still has a good shot to get back in the race.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on January 24, 2013, 10:53:46 AM
Haven't checked in during the basketball season but after taking in last evening's raucous affair, I thought I'd chime in.   I have seen most of Loras' games this year and they are a play or two from being .500  The night they beat Wartburg, Loras was the better team, I could see Loras putting together a good stretch and make the conf. tourney if only a few things go their way.  They are young but Mooney's leadership steadies the ship a little as the young guys are growing up.

The atmosphere was great and it was televised on 9.2 which will hopefully give both programs a tiny bit more exposure.  The student sections for both teams were large and rowdy with some entertaining chants.  One of my favorites was the UD section chanting "we've got the key" (referring to the key to the city that the football teams play for) and the Loras fans responding "we'll get jobs"   I'm sure there were some off-color moments but I didn't hear too much and I'd rather have an atmosphere like that than a dead one and I'm sure the players enjoyed it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 24, 2013, 02:44:13 PM
Quote from: duhawk on January 24, 2013, 10:53:46 AM
Haven't checked in during the basketball season but after taking in last evening's raucous affair, I thought I'd chime in.   I have seen most of Loras' games this year and they are a play or two from being .500  The night they beat Wartburg, Loras was the better team, I could see Loras putting together a good stretch and make the conf. tourney if only a few things go their way.  They are young but Mooney's leadership steadies the ship a little as the young guys are growing up.

The atmosphere was great and it was televised on 9.2 which will hopefully give both programs a tiny bit more exposure.  The student sections for both teams were large and rowdy with some entertaining chants.  One of my favorites was the UD section chanting "we've got the key" (referring to the key to the city that the football teams play for) and the Loras fans responding "we'll get jobs"   I'm sure there were some off-color moments but I didn't hear too much and I'd rather have an atmosphere like that than a dead one and I'm sure the players enjoyed it.

Well said.  Loras looks a lot better than their 1-6 conference mark suggests.  They look talented but like they lack confidence in themselves to pull out a hard fought game.

As far as the atmosphere last night, I thought it looked great.  Like an old fashioned IIAC game from 20-30 years ago, when gyms around the conference would be packed and rowdy for a game.  Too often these days the gyms are 1/3 - 1-2 full and the fans that are there are sitting on their hands very quietly.  Last night was a breath of fresh air for an old guy like me to see. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 26, 2013, 07:13:55 PM
Wartburg beats Loras 58-55.  10 pt game @ 1/2 in favor of Knights. 2nd half pretty physical. both coaches upset @ times with zebras.... so typical IIAC reffed game.

Eddie Diemer did not play due to ankle injury against Luther on Wed. Middle a lot less cluttered and Murphy drove a lot more than usual.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 26, 2013, 09:08:53 PM
Dbq up 5 @ Luther 11:00 to go! Knight's back in tie for first by end of day??

Why does Luther have international Trapezoid lane painted on there floor? Anyone know?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on January 26, 2013, 11:04:22 PM
No surprises today. All home teams win.

I like our chances for another league title!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: carletonsid on January 27, 2013, 11:08:21 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 26, 2013, 09:08:53 PM
Dbq up 5 @ Luther 11:00 to go! Knight's back in tie for first by end of day??

Why does Luther have international Trapezoid lane painted on there floor? Anyone know?

When Luther repainted its floor a while back there was lots of talk that college hoops would incorporate that lane shape. Of course, it didn't happen. Maybe Luther can host some international qualifiers or be a training ground for the Norwegian National Team?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 28, 2013, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on January 22, 2013, 01:27:57 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 21, 2013, 11:07:20 PM
UD wins in OT at home over Luther 76-73.

I figured out tonight that for UD to win I have to stay away from the computer.  Each time I would tune in the Norse would go on a run, so I walked away from the computer.  If only I had done that last weekend for the UD/Central game. 

Luther gets their shot at revenge on Saturday with a rematch against the Spartans. 

This is making for an interesting year as 0-5 Loras beat 5-0 Wartburg last night.  Who knows what the rest of the season has waiting for us.

Maybe Luther lost because I did not watch any of it last night?  I am very sorry if that was the case.  Sounds like the Spartans made some big plays to force OT.

I did watch the men's game against the Spartans on the computer (and the wrestling matches with Simpson, Loras, and Coe), so whether that was the difference in the game or not I was happy to not repeat anything from the loss on Monday.

Frazier is fun to watch on offense for Dubuque!  I hope he is feeling well and not sidelined for any more games.  Between him and the big freshman that looks very fluid, Dubuque is still in the race even though they are now 4-4.  They play Wartburg, Coe, and B.V. in the next three, so they can clearly play a role in getting back into the race.

Tyler Wedemeier played very well again for the Norse with the 16 points, 15 rebounds, and 3 blocks.  If he stays healthy and out of foul trouble the Norse should stay in contention.  Matos has been huge in some of the games as well as he had 18 on Saturday.  The outside shooting is almost more erratic than the Iowa Hawkeyes, so the league race is still wide open.

The next two games are on the road again, so hopefully the Norse are ready.  The Duhawks seem to be playing much better than the record shows.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on January 28, 2013, 04:57:20 PM
Floyd,
Completely agree with everything. It is still wide open. Dubuque is scary and we all know what bv can do. And wartburg won't go away. Coe is the mystery to me.

Was wondering what the coe fans think of the new coach? Basically team as last yrs championship team. Already have same amount of conference losses as last yr.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kohawk Krazy on January 29, 2013, 01:21:52 PM
Quote from: Norsanity on January 28, 2013, 04:57:20 PM
Floyd,
Completely agree with everything. It is still wide open. Dubuque is scary and we all know what bv can do. And wartburg won't go away. Coe is the mystery to me.

Was wondering what the coe fans think of the new coach? Basically team as last yrs championship team. Already have same amount of conference losses as last yr.

Through 8 games this year, Coe is 4-4.  Through 8 league games last year, they were 5-3.  Big difference I've seen in the 8-game starts between the two years is that Coe hit 7 more 3's last year than this year and made 22 more FT's.

Have no problems with the new coach.  Think he's doing just fine.  League is tough this year, as Coe's first three losses were by a combined 10 points.

I think the league title is out of question right now possibly, but getting the two seed and a bye is still possible.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 31, 2013, 10:53:17 PM
Games played tonight...
Loras beats Luther 63-50
Dubuque beats Wartburg 77-64
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on January 31, 2013, 10:55:06 PM
...and Loras beats Luther by 13.  I honestly think if Loras could somehow make the conference tournament, they could do some damage.  Hopefully this gets them on a run and they can finish strong, I don't see any reason why they won't.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 31, 2013, 11:01:43 PM
Tough Norse game to watch as Loras clearly outplayed the Norse tonight in Dubuque.

The Duhawks were up 8-10 points almost the whole game and outrebounded the Norse by about the same margin.

Bad shot selection and decisions for much of the 2nd half for Luther as they kept shooting weak and unskilled jumpers rather than going to the hoop.  Loras also pushed and shoved Norse players out of the post, but the refs and Norse let it happen.  I think the Norse shot 2 free throws that I saw.

Tyler W. was in foul trouble in the first half and still had 14 for the game.  I would have fed him more in the 2nd half, but I wasn't a Luther wing player tonight. :)

Congrats to Loras for shooting well from the field and the free throw line.  They should win several more games if they play like that.

They were also the more physical team and yet had less fouls called.  You usually will win when that happens and you shoot well.

Congrats to Dubuque for beating Wartburg.  Luther and Wartburg have not done well in the city this season.



Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 02, 2013, 06:44:41 PM
Coe avenges an early season home loss to Dubuque with a 68-60 win today on the Spartans home court. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 02, 2013, 08:42:24 PM
Luther wins in OT @ Simpson, 93-86.  The Norse have one road game left in league play (but it is at Storm Lake).

Simpson played much better than the earlier game this year.  They looked much better than a 2-8 team this week.  A big three pointer forced OT, so they deserve a lot of credit for hitting shots when it counted.

Tyler W. had 28 points, 10 boards, and 6 blocks for the Norse.  Keeping him in the game (he had 4 fouls) and the team free throw shooting was the key to the win.

Congrats to B.V., Coe, and Wartburg for the wins today.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on February 04, 2013, 10:32:58 AM
 Crazy week for Norse. I thought would be 2 easy wins against loras and simpson but almost was 2 losses. Shows how balanced conference is.
We need simpson and bv fans to post more.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 05, 2013, 03:16:26 PM
Should be a fun last 2 weeks of regular season. Top 3 teams all playing each other the last 3 games. BV and Luther have 3 home - 1 away, (Luther @ BV Sat) Wartburg & Coe 2 +2 facing each other @ Coe Sat. Luther gets Coe + Wart @ home to end season. BV goes to Waverly then has Coe @ home to end.

Does 11-3 win conference OUTRIGHT, does 10-4 get you a piece of title?
Your thoughts?


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2013, 10:59:02 PM
UD beats BVU 73-58 in Storm Lake to get revenge for
the Beavers OT win in Dubuque earlier in the season.

Wartburg beats Simpson 74-62

Luther beats Central 72-66 in OT

This seems like a very very very balanced conference this year.  Anyone could beat anyone on any given night.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 07, 2013, 08:00:34 AM
Luther      9-2   @BVU       , Coe           , Wartburg
BVU         8-3   Luther      , @Wartburg, Coe
Wartburg 8-3   @Coe       , BVU           , @Luther
Coe         7-4   Wartburg , @Luther      , @ BVU
Dubuque 6-5   Central     , @Simpson   , Loras
Central    2-9   @Dubuque, Loras         , Simpson
Loras      2-9    Simpson   , @Central   , @Dubuque
Simpson  2-9   @Loras    , Dubuque    , @Central

Luther ends with the 3 teams immediately below them with the last 2 at home
BVU ends with the 3 teams around them in the standings with 2 at home
Wartburg ends with the 3 teams around them in the standings with 2 on the road
Coe ends with the 3 teams immediately above them with 2 on the road
Dubuque ends with 3 teams immediately below them with 2 at home
Central ends with 2 home games against the 2 teams they are tied with for the 6th and final playoff spot
Loras plays 2 teams they are tied with for the final playoff spot and away against their cross town rival
Simpson ends with 2 games AT the 2 teams they are tied for the final playoff spot and host Dubuque

Luther should feel cautiously optimistic about life
BVU should probably feel more confident than Wartburg with 2 of 3 at home while Warty is on the road for 2 of 3
Coe has a hard road to hoe finishing with the 3 teams above them and 2 of them on the road
Dubuque ends with the 3 bottom teams with 2 at home, should feel hopeful they might move up a spot in the standings
Central should feel like they are in the drivers seat for the final playoff spot playing the 2 bottom teams at home over the final 3 games
Loras has 2 wins against the top side of the conference...will 1 win get them the final spot or do they need 2?
Simpson probably on the outside looking in at this point...but you never know
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 07, 2013, 05:15:47 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 06, 2013, 10:59:02 PM
UD beats BVU 73-58 in Storm Lake to get revenge for
the Beavers OT win in Dubuque earlier in the season.

Wartburg beats Simpson 74-62

Luther beats Central 72-66 in OT

This seems like a very very very balanced conference this year.  Anyone could beat anyone on any given night.

Luther at the end of the 1st half was down 27-14!  Big 2nd half and overtime kept them from dropping a game in Decorah.

The Norse are 5-1 against Simpson, Loras, and Central, but two of the wins were in overtime and almost all of the games were close.  That says a ton about how the league has been this year.

The games on Saturday could be huge for the Norse if they break the right way. :D  It is going to be tough to win in Storm Lake.

Tyler Wedemeier had another big game with 22 points and 19 rebounds.  The team shooting went from awful to good as the game went on.  The offense needs to be there with the rebounding these last three games.

Central's Jacob Winkler had 34 with Tyler guarding him much of the time.  What a game for him!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 09, 2013, 08:53:17 PM
Tonight was the night for home team blow outs...

Dubuque beats Central 69-50
Loras beats Simpson 74-56
Coe beats Wartburg 79-44
BVU beats Luther 70-41

Not really sure what to make of the Coe/Wartburg and BVU/Luther scores.

Standings...

Buena Vista 9-3   @Wartburg, Coe
Luther         9-3   Coe           , Wartburg
Coe             8-4   @ Luther    , @BVU
Wartburg     8-4   BVU           , @Luther
Dubuque      7-5   @Simpson  , Loras
Loras           3-9   @Central    , @Dubuque
Central        2-10  Loras         , Simpson
Simpson      2-10  Dubuque    , @ Central

Should be an interesting final week of the regular season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 12, 2013, 12:26:38 PM
B.V. dismantled Luther in every way on Saturday.  It was like the Central 1st half except that the Norse were playing a better team and it went on all game this time.  The shooting numbers were a joke and it was hard to watch.

I think Luther was playing better as a team earlier in the conference season, but I have been concerned about the guard play consistency almost all season.

There are only two games left though and they are both at home.  They have worked hard to put themselves in position to win it, so this should be fun for the Norse and for all four teams still in the race.

In fact, these last three years have been fun for Norse Basketball as they won it two years ago and came up one game short last season.  Here we go again as the team gets Coe and Wartburg to decide how this season finishes.  It would be great to have a Wartburg game with some meaning for both teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 12, 2013, 01:16:09 PM
If Wartburg and Coe go 2-0 against BV and Luther this week, the season will end with 4 way time for 1st. If this happens I would assume Wartburg would get first round by, since they will be 2-0 BV, 1-1 w/ LC and Coe.

If the Knights go 0-2 could be on the road in round one depending on what Dbq does.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 12, 2013, 02:35:19 PM
I am cheering for Luther and Wartburg on Wednesday!  How many times has that been said in the 90 years of the IIAC? :D

Both teams need to bounce back from the drubbings they took on Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2013, 11:07:46 PM
Central beats Loras 71-68
Luther beats Coe 60-54
BVU beats Wartburg 71-61
Dubuque beats Simpson 76-56

Central goes a long way towards securing the 6th, and final conference playoff spot tonight.
Luther is a home win against Wartburg from securing a conference title
BVU win on the road means they are also a home win against Coe from a conference title
Dubuque wins by 20 @ Simpson...Spartans are looking as tough as any team in the conference right now.

Standings...
Buena Vista 10-3   Coe
Luther         10-3   Wartburg
Coe              8-5   @BVU
Dubuque       8-5   Loras
Wartburg      8-5   @Luther
Central         3-10  Simpson
Loras            3-10  @Dubuque
Simpson       3-10   @Central
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BVRnation on February 14, 2013, 02:27:11 AM
Noticed that BVU doesn't have a lot of posts on the IIAC boards so I thought I would join in the conversation.  From my perspective I think that it has been a spectacular season as far as the conference schedule is concerned.  Every game seems to be a toss up.  With that said, no matter where BV, Luther, Coe and Wartburg get seeded, I could see any of them taking the tournament title.  Every game is hit and miss.  As a BV fan the Saturday will certainly be exciting and I cant wait to see how things turn out!  We have been much more consistent as of late, but no team can be overlooked in the IIAC.  Best of luck to everyone in the tournament as the tournament approaches!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 15, 2013, 02:08:12 PM
A couple of things on the Luther-Coe game on Wednesday:

-I was very happy to see the Norse win even though they were 1-12 from 3s.  In fact, they did not hit a 3 until overtime.  With the offensive firepower that Coe has had the past couple of years, I thought the Norse were really going to have to click on offense to win.

-54 of the 60 points scored by the Norse came from 4 inside players (Matos, Androus, Nnaoji, and Wedemeier).  So there was a sort of offensive balance, I guess. :)

-Keep giving the ball to Tyler Wedemeier as he had 21 points, 16 rebounds, 6 blocks, 3 assists, and a steal! :)

-B.V. and Central scored lots of points inside on the Norse in the previous two games, but Wedemeier seemed to dominate inside on defense.  Hopefully the Norse can play some defense on Saturday as well.

Here is hoping for a great senior day in Decorah!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2013, 02:45:17 PM
Quote from: BVRnation on February 14, 2013, 02:27:11 AM
Noticed that BVU doesn't have a lot of posts on the IIAC boards so I thought I would join in the conversation.  From my perspective I think that it has been a spectacular season as far as the conference schedule is concerned.  Every game seems to be a toss up.  With that said, no matter where BV, Luther, Coe and Wartburg get seeded, I could see any of them taking the tournament title.  Every game is hit and miss.  As a BV fan the Saturday will certainly be exciting and I cant wait to see how things turn out!  We have been much more consistent as of late, but no team can be overlooked in the IIAC.  Best of luck to everyone in the tournament as the tournament approaches!

Why didn't you stay?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Phred on February 16, 2013, 08:47:04 PM
With both Luther and BV winning, how is the tournament seeding determined?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 17, 2013, 12:35:48 AM
Quote from: Phred on February 16, 2013, 08:47:04 PM
With both Luther and BV winning, how is the tournament seeding determined?

Tiebreakers:
Luther wins tiebreaker over Buena Vista (split H2H; both 1-1 vs. #3 Dubuque; Luther 4-0 vs. WAR/COE, BVU only 3-1). Wartburg wins tiebreaker over Coe (split H2H; Wartburg 1-3 vs. LUT/BVU, COE 0-4 vs. LUT/BVU) Simpson wins 3-way tiebreaker over CEN/LOR (H2H: SIM 3-1, CEN 2-2, LOR 1-3)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 17, 2013, 11:57:34 AM
Congrats to Luther and BVU for winning the 12-13 IIAC basketball title. 

I'm looking forward to a great conference tourney.  It's been a fun year to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on February 18, 2013, 12:13:20 PM
Congrats to Coach Franzen for another championship year. No MVP Larson or defensive MVP Merritt and still win the iiac. Impressive!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 18, 2013, 02:15:50 PM
What a fun week for my son and I as we saw the Norse game Wednesday against Coe on the computer, went to the Luther-St. Olaf wrestling meet on Thursday (Norse won big), went to the Luther-Wartburg game on Saturday, and the Iowa-Minnesota game on Sunday! ;D 

This was the most fun I had watching college sports this school year as I am still trying to forget the football seasons that they had in Decorah and Iowa City.

What a great time on Saturday at Decorah!  The Norse win big on senior day for Wedemeier and Matos, win a share of the conference title, and find a way to sweep a rival in the process. 

Congrats to both B.V. and Luther for finding a way to go 11-3 in a conference season in which not much seperated the league champions many nights from Central or Loras.  The tourney could be crazy.

Luther shot the ball as a team so much better against Wartburg than they had in recent games.  They got balanced scoring from inside and outside, and good passes were setting up shots that they actually hit this game.  Wedemeier might have only had 12 points and 13 rebounds, but many of his passes and decisions set up scores.  Cale Austin and Zach Matos really were big sparks on offense as well.

I don't know if Luther is the best team, but they have had a great season.  Wedemeier also has to be in the running for defensive MVP and overall league MVP.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2013, 11:02:30 PM
Higher seeds win tonight.

Wartburg 64-54 over Coe
Dubuque 71-63 over Simpson
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 20, 2013, 11:39:15 AM
Congrats to the Knights and Spartans.

No matter who won the Coe-Wartburg game, Luther was going to have to beat a team that they have already beaten twice this season.  They were also going to have to beat a team for the 2nd time in about a week.

Those things are hard to do, but another Luther-Wartburg game should be fun for everyone involved.

Both games on Thursday are going to be tough as Dubuque should be a very tough out for B.V.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2013, 01:13:37 PM
Games are postponed to Friday.

http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2013/2/20/MBB_0220131608.aspx

Luther/Wartburg this season...
01/23/13  Luther 75-61 @Wartburg
02/16/13  Luther 78-61 @Luther

BVU/Dubuque this season...
01/12/13  BVU 70-68 OT @Dubuque
02/06/13  DBQ 73-58 @BVU

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2013, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on February 20, 2013, 11:39:15 AM
Congrats to the Knights and Spartans.

No matter who won the Coe-Wartburg game, Luther was going to have to beat a team that they have already beaten twice this season.  They were also going to have to beat a team for the 2nd time in about a week.

Those things are hard to do

Um ... no. Beating a team for the third time is not as hard as you imply it is. I know which dreaded cliche you're about to invoke. Please don't. It isn't true.

One win over an opponent could be chalked up to an inordinately bad shooting night by the loser, an inordinately great shooting night for the winner, a few random bounces of the ball, etc. But two wins over an opponent demonstrates superiority that much more clearly, because the odds that those random factors influence the final score yet again decrease proportionally.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 21, 2013, 12:11:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2013, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on February 20, 2013, 11:39:15 AM
Congrats to the Knights and Spartans.

No matter who won the Coe-Wartburg game, Luther was going to have to beat a team that they have already beaten twice this season.  They were also going to have to beat a team for the 2nd time in about a week.

Those things are hard to do

Um ... no. Beating a team for the third time is not as hard as you imply it is. I know which dreaded cliche you're about to invoke. Please don't. It isn't true.

One win over an opponent could be chalked up to an inordinately bad shooting night by the loser, an inordinately great shooting night for the winner, a few random bounces of the ball, etc. But two wins over an opponent demonstrates superiority that much more clearly, because the odds that those random factors influence the final score yet again decrease proportionally.

I hope you are right! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 22, 2013, 09:49:14 PM
UD gets their 2nd win @ BVU this season.  64-61 the final. 

Dubuque hosts Wartburg on Sunday.  The Knights won @ Luther 62-57.  Don't have any updates yet on how the game up in Decorah went. 

With UD hosting Wartburg at 2pm and the IIAC indoor T & F championships also at UD on Sunday, I'll see if I can sweet talk mrs doolittle into letting me roadtrip over there this weekend. 

This has been a fun conference season.  Teams 1-8 could win or lose against anybody each and every night. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 22, 2013, 10:44:47 PM
Wart 62- Luther 57
Key stat - Luther goes 4-20 from 3 and starting guards go 0-11 from 3 @ HOME.

http://wcfcourier.com/sports/college/wartburg-tops-luther-rolls-into-iiac-championship/article_571f24fc-7d66-11e2-accf-001a4bcf887a.html

So much for 3 game season sweeps for Luther or BV.

Guess you shouldn't under estimate Coach Peth. Picked for last and now in title game.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on February 22, 2013, 11:46:47 PM
Streaky game.  Warts better streakers.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 24, 2013, 04:50:12 PM
Dubuque beat Wartburg in the conference tourney final 73-60

The Spartans enter the NCAA tourney with a 22-6 overall record.  1st NCAA tourney appearance for UD since I was in school in '90-'91  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 25, 2013, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2013, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on February 20, 2013, 11:39:15 AM
Congrats to the Knights and Spartans.

No matter who won the Coe-Wartburg game, Luther was going to have to beat a team that they have already beaten twice this season.  They were also going to have to beat a team for the 2nd time in about a week.

Those things are hard to do

Um ... no. Beating a team for the third time is not as hard as you imply it is. I know which dreaded cliche you're about to invoke. Please don't. It isn't true.

One win over an opponent could be chalked up to an inordinately bad shooting night by the loser, an inordinately great shooting night for the winner, a few random bounces of the ball, etc. But two wins over an opponent demonstrates superiority that much more clearly, because the odds that those random factors influence the final score yet again decrease proportionally.

And yet Luther and B.V. lost on Friday!

It was an even conference this year and the margin for error was not great for any team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 25, 2013, 11:57:27 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 24, 2013, 04:50:12 PM
Dubuque beat Wartburg in the conference tourney final 73-60

The Spartans enter the NCAA tourney with a 22-6 overall record.  1st NCAA tourney appearance for UD since I was in school in '90-'91  :o

Congrats to Dubuque as they had a strong team all season.  Good luck in the NCAAs!

I guess Luther and B.V. can still feel very good about sharing the regular season title in a year in which so many teams were potential contenders.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Dubuque travels to defending national champion UW-Whitewater in the 1st round of the NCAA tourney this Saturday. 

UW-Whitewater is 23-4 and on a 9 game winning streak.
Dubuque is 22-6 and on a 7 game winning streak. 

Winner gets North Central/Centre winner the next Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 26, 2013, 03:20:44 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 25, 2013, 12:49:42 PM
Dubuque travels to defending national champion UW-Whitewater in the 1st round of the NCAA tourney this Saturday. 

UW-Whitewater is 23-4 and on a 9 game winning streak.
Dubuque is 22-6 and on a 7 game winning streak. 

Winner gets North Central/Centre winner the next Saturday.

Good luck!  I remember a couple of years ago when the Norse got a better first round game when they beat Concordia (Wisconsin) before getting UW-Stevens Point in the 2nd round.  Stevens Point might have been like 25-3 and was the defending NCAA champions.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2013, 08:51:15 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on February 25, 2013, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2013, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on February 20, 2013, 11:39:15 AM
Congrats to the Knights and Spartans.

No matter who won the Coe-Wartburg game, Luther was going to have to beat a team that they have already beaten twice this season.  They were also going to have to beat a team for the 2nd time in about a week.

Those things are hard to do

Um ... no. Beating a team for the third time is not as hard as you imply it is. I know which dreaded cliche you're about to invoke. Please don't. It isn't true.

One win over an opponent could be chalked up to an inordinately bad shooting night by the loser, an inordinately great shooting night for the winner, a few random bounces of the ball, etc. But two wins over an opponent demonstrates superiority that much more clearly, because the odds that those random factors influence the final score yet again decrease proportionally.

And yet Luther and B.V. lost on Friday!

Doesn't make the "hard to beat a team three times" cliche true, though. The vast majority of two-time winners still end up winning the third matchup.

And Buena Vista split with Dubuque during the regular season, so that matchup is not germane to the discussion.

Luther beat Wartburg by 14 @ Wartburg and by 17 @ Luther. Unless the lineups changed due to injury or some other reason, that five-point win by the Knights last Friday constituted a pretty significant upset.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 27, 2013, 12:22:20 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 26, 2013, 08:51:15 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on February 25, 2013, 11:54:39 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2013, 05:02:14 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on February 20, 2013, 11:39:15 AM
Congrats to the Knights and Spartans.

No matter who won the Coe-Wartburg game, Luther was going to have to beat a team that they have already beaten twice this season.  They were also going to have to beat a team for the 2nd time in about a week.

Those things are hard to do

Um ... no. Beating a team for the third time is not as hard as you imply it is. I know which dreaded cliche you're about to invoke. Please don't. It isn't true.

One win over an opponent could be chalked up to an inordinately bad shooting night by the loser, an inordinately great shooting night for the winner, a few random bounces of the ball, etc. But two wins over an opponent demonstrates superiority that much more clearly, because the odds that those random factors influence the final score yet again decrease proportionally.

And yet Luther and B.V. lost on Friday!

Doesn't make the "hard to beat a team three times" cliche true, though. The vast majority of two-time winners still end up winning the third matchup.

And Buena Vista split with Dubuque during the regular season, so that matchup is not germane to the discussion.

Luther beat Wartburg by 14 @ Wartburg and by 17 @ Luther. Unless the lineups changed due to injury or some other reason, that five-point win by the Knights last Friday constituted a pretty significant upset.

Luther and B.V. won the league, had home court advantages, yet lost the tourney games.

The league was pretty even as Luther had overtime games with Central, Simpson, Dubuque, Coe, and B.V.  The fact that they beat Wartburg by double digits both times seemed unusual to me in that the Norse had so many other close games.  They pulled away in the 2nd half both times in games that were pretty tight for 25-30 minutes.

The guards shot solid to good in the two regular season games against the Knights.  They shot very poorly in the tourney game just like they did in several of the overtime wins and other close games in the regular season games with other league members.

It was a great year for Luther Basketball even if the team had certain flaws that showed up too often.  Tyler W. had a great senior year and led the Norse to the kind of season that was fun to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on March 01, 2013, 12:09:24 PM
http://www.luther.edu/sports/headlines/?story_id=446475 (http://www.luther.edu/sports/headlines/?story_id=446475)

Luther Sweeps Iowa Conference Major Awards

Congrats to all of the all-league players this year, including the three Norse players.

Congrats especially to Tyler Wedemeier for being voted IIAC Most Valuable Player! :)  He was very deserving as almost nightly he made impacts in games through scoring, rebounding, blocking shots, passing, and leadership!  He had a great career and was almost always an impact player on defense in his career.  I really thought this season he made a huge improvement in free throw shooting, overall offensive production, and staying out of foul trouble.  I also think the refs helped on that last point.  :D

Coach Franzen has now won Coach of the Year five times in the Iowa Conference (Luther Basketball 2013, 2011, Wartburg Golf 2000, 2002, 2004).  Congrats on what he has done with Norse Basketball these last three years.  It will be tough next year without Wedemeier and Matos though.

It was also neat to see Androus win IIAC Defensive Player of the Year as that is the 3rd year a Norse player has won this award.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 02, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
On the link for the video of todays UWW - UD basketball game, they have us listed as Dubuque College ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 02, 2013, 03:18:49 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on March 02, 2013, 03:03:44 PM
On the link for the video of todays UWW - UD basketball game, they have us listed as Dubuque College ???

It's not like you'd expect a place of higher education to get something like that correct...oh wait ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 02, 2013, 05:40:28 PM
Whitewater beats Dubuque 58-42.

Congrats to the Spartans on a great season.  22-7 overall. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 04, 2013, 12:35:29 PM
Just a quick note to congratulate the Sparatans on their season and to compliment you on the following you brought to WHITEWATER for the game on Saturday.  It was one of the largest contingencies that we've had in our experiences hosting in the post season ranking right up there with Illinois Wesleyan which I've always considered the leader.  Your program is fortunate to have that kind of support. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on March 04, 2013, 01:49:13 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2013, 05:40:28 PM
Whitewater beats Dubuque 58-42.

Congrats to the Spartans on a great season.  22-7 overall.

I just ran into someone this weekend who had a lot of good things to say about the Spartan Athletic Department.  Congrats to Dubuque overall as things have changed a lot in the last 10 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 04, 2013, 05:25:55 PM
Thanks for the kind words badgerwarhawk and Floyd. 

Spartan fans were able to watch NCAA playoff basketball and the wrestling regional that was held in Dubuque this past weekend.  Sounds like it was a good time.  Remarkable when you think back to a decade ago when the entire athletic program was in shambles and the school was just starting to dig itself out of a finantial crisis. 

Now we get to move on to baseball, have fun over the summer, and then start all over again in the fall with football.  Looking forward to it all. 

Next fall UD becomes an associate member of the WIAC for 3 weekds with non-con games against La Crosse, Platteville, and Stevens Point.  And gets Luther for homecoming the 2nd week of the conference portion of the schedule. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on March 18, 2013, 05:06:32 PM
http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2013/3/18/MBB_0318132009.aspx

Congrats to Tyler Wedemeier and Wes Nordquist for being on the 2013 NABC Coaches' Division III All-District teams!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on June 18, 2013, 07:16:10 AM
Wartburg's Clay Cook and  Drew Bentley--Simpson to play in IC Prime Time League.
http://www.primetimeleague.com/rosters.html
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BandGetsToPlay on July 03, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
I see where Central's biggest recruit (per their web page) was bringing back a former asst. coach?! Really?! Sounds like things are going down the drain in Pella? Anyone with info on what's going on? The way I read this story was the guy left b/c he got passed over when MB left the program and now he's coming back? Interesting...

???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 07, 2013, 09:38:40 AM
Interesting 1st post  ;D

Welcome to the board, always fun to have someone that stirs the pot...a little or a lot!!!

From searching around on twitter there were a lot of high school seniors that had Central high on their list.  I know of 2 that decided on Dubuque and 2 that decided on Central.  My guess is the Dutch will stay competitive in the IIAC.  But as most old timers on here will tell you...I am often wrong. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BandGetsToPlay on July 09, 2013, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 07, 2013, 09:38:40 AM
Interesting 1st post  ;D

Welcome to the board, always fun to have someone that stirs the pot...a little or a lot!!!

From searching around on twitter there were a lot of high school seniors that had Central high on their list.  I know of 2 that decided on Dubuque and 2 that decided on Central.  My guess is the Dutch will stay competitive in the IIAC.  But as most old timers on here will tell you...I am often wrong. 

Weren't they supposed to be competitive last year with what MB left in the cupboard? Maybe they were but not what I remember reading, seeing online? Who did Central get as recruits?
Quote from the Central web page:
"Men's basketball coach Craig Douma has locked up one of his most significant recruits--Joe Steinkamp, who helped guide Central College to an Iowa Conference championship and NCAA Division III tournament berth, is returning to the Dutch coaching staff as the top varsity assistant."

Really? If I am a HS senior and I see that they think bring back an asst. coach, who is an alumni, who got passed over when MB left as big 'recruiting' news...then I might look elsewhere. Maybe not...just my 2 cents.   8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 09, 2013, 02:58:33 PM
I'd be ok with a downslide by Central.  Makes it easier for my Dubuque team to run towards a conference title ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BandGetsToPlay on July 10, 2013, 11:53:06 AM
I don't care one way or another, just have some friends close to that program and they wonder as well what is going on down there. From the sounds of things the whole Admin team is trying change the face of Central - anyone else heard rumblings? Fairly New AD, Fairly New President, New ppl in the business office...makes a person wonder what's really going on?  ???

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 13, 2013, 09:41:11 PM
Quote from: BandGetsToPlay on July 10, 2013, 11:53:06 AM
I don't care one way or another, just have some friends close to that program and they wonder as well what is going on down there. From the sounds of things the whole Admin team is trying change the face of Central - anyone else heard rumblings? Fairly New AD, Fairly New President, New ppl in the business office...makes a person wonder what's really going on?  ???

And from the Des Moines Register...http://www.desmoinesregister.com/article/20130710/SPORTS/307100095/Iowa-Scene-UNI-event-in-D-M-World-University-Games-AIB-sports-ISU-and-Iowa-football?archive

Former Central AD Al Dorenkamp who had retired, who was a Central Alum as well as an All-American on the Central football team has been named the AD at AIB in Des Moines. 

I suppose one could read things into that along with other things you mentioned.  Though I am not one to wear tin foil hats on my head worring about conspiracy theories  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BandGetsToPlay on July 15, 2013, 12:55:53 PM
"Retired" No...Moved on...yes

One on the outside would think, I think, 'Hmmm...former A-A alumn not good enough for Central now, but yet is good for AIB?' Nothing against AIB of course, but yes, I am sure the 'old' boys at the coffee table are talking it up...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 17, 2013, 03:40:45 PM
Bunch of guys in Central Mens Basketball gear spotted at Climb Iowa in the Des Moines metro this afternoon.  Makes for a fun off season workout.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 18, 2013, 08:09:14 PM
Anyone with any recruiting info out there?

Now that school is in session I suppose we can comment. 

Dubuque got a point guard out of Oelwein that was a 1,000 point scorer in high school, also went to state in tennis and played baseball.

Dubuque got a 6'10 kid from North Fayette.  He looks like he could eat a hamburger or 2 but has a sweet outside shot. 

I'll try to dig up some more info. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 02, 2013, 10:47:51 AM
UD coach Sieverding named to the Iowa High School Athletic Association Hall of Fame.

http://www.thonline.com/sports/local_sports/article_7e31e1f9-2d3c-576d-a1f7-d90a1dc6263f.html

From the article...

Sieverding played at the University of Northern Iowa and was named all-Missouri Valley Conference, but his formation as a player and coach leads back to Bellevue.

"I grew up with four older brothers and an older sister who were all involved in athletics, and I followed them around a lot," Sieverding said. "It was easy to go the park and play. In those days there weren't so many things going on in the house as far as video games and things. We actually stayed busy outside. Somebody was always there. The biggest thing I learned is if you work hard and hold yourself accountable, then that hard work will pay off."

As a 12-year-old, he won the national Knights of Columbus free throw contest after making 62 of 65 shots in the final.

"That's when I really started realizing maybe basketball could lead to bigger and better things," Sieverding said. "That's when I started setting goals for high school and after high school."

Those goals didn't include becoming a coach until he was at UNI. It seemed like a logical step since his love of basketball and watching game film never waned.

"I feel like every day is a Friday working with our team," Sieverding said. "I feel very fortunate here at the University of Dubuque, with all of the great things we have going on as a university and as a basketball program."

The Spartans won the Iowa Conference title last season and advanced to the first round of the NCAA Division III tournament.

"I get all kinds of satisfaction out of watching him coach at UD," Squiers said. "He coaches the way he played. He had the passion for the game as a player and a passion for the game as a coach."

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Norsanity on October 03, 2013, 11:44:06 PM
Ummm iowa conference title last yr?  Last I checked the highest he finished was third.....
Won the conference tournament...... not iowa conference title. We won the conference title which in my opinion is harder to do than win 3 games in one week.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on October 24, 2013, 11:56:28 PM
Luther scrimmaged NIACC tonight
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AppletonRocks on October 27, 2013, 02:07:33 PM
A little off topic but need some Iowa help--I am going to Des Moines on business driving through Dubuque and need to stay somewhere along the way.  My dad is riding along just for fun and he likes casinos.  I know there are some in Dubuque on the WI border--anything else along the way worth looking into for him?   Thanks for the help.

I don't need a casino to gamble, I am a Cubs fan.  ;)


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 27, 2013, 02:49:00 PM
Quote from: AppletonRocks on October 27, 2013, 02:07:33 PM
A little off topic but need some Iowa help--I am going to Des Moines on business driving through Dubuque and need to stay somewhere along the way.  My dad is riding along just for fun and he likes casinos.  I know there are some in Dubuque on the WI border--anything else along the way worth looking into for him?   Thanks for the help.

I don't need a casino to gamble, I am a Cubs fan.  ;)


If you like casinos, you could head straight west out of Dubuque after visiting their casino and there is The Isle casino in Waterloo, just off of Hwy 20.  Then take Hwy 63 south to Hwy 30 and there is the Mesquake casino outside of Tama, then take Hwy 30 west to Hwy 330 at Marshalltown and take Hwy 330 into the Des Moines area and the horse track/casino is right there in Altoona. 

I think all the underground, illegal, cock fighting establishments have finally been closed down.  So darn the luck for you there in that department  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 12, 2013, 11:02:15 AM
Congrats to Wartburg Coach Dick Peth. He was inducted into the Wisconsin High School Basketball Coaches Association Hall of Fame on Oct. 5.

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2013/11/11/MBB_1111132840.aspx?path=mbball

http://lacrossetribune.com/sports/high-school/tomahtimberwolves/peth-inducted-into-wisconsin-basketball-hall-of-fame/article_5d31ee7a-4afb-11e3-a444-0019bb2963f4.html

"He encouraged young players to focus and work hard.
"Don't ever give up on your dreams and work your tail off," he said. "Take advantage of your opportunities."

As good as he is a coach, he an even better person.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 13, 2013, 11:57:45 AM
Wartburg Preseason Preview
http://www.go-knights.net/news/2013/11/12/MBB_1112131857.aspx?path=mbball

"With the season approaching, Peth said he is really excited the amount of ball sharing at practice and the overall teamwork.

"The ball sharing on this team is better than anytime I remember in the past four or five years and the guys don't care who scores," Peth said. "There are seven guys on this team that could be leading scorers in any given game.
Peth said he is also excited about several players that can shoot parameter and are some of the top three-point shooters in the conference."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 15, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa --- The University of Dubuque, which won the 2013 Iowa Conference basketball tournament and advanced to the NCAA Division III Championship, has been named a slim favorite by the coaches to capture the 2013-2014 Iowa Conference title. The Spartans received four of seven possible first-place votes (coaches cannot vote for their own teams), totaling 53 points in the IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll.

Buena Vista University picked up three first-place votes and sits second with 52 points. The Beavers were also picked second on four ballots. Loras College received the remaining first-place vote and edged Luther College for third place by a 40-38 margin. The complete 2013-2014 IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll follows.

Rank    School (1st place votes)    Points    2012-2013 Record
1    Dubuque (4)    53    22-7, 9-5 IIAC
2    Buena Vista (3)    52    19-7, 11-3 IIAC
3    Loras (1)    40    8-17, 3-11 IIAC
4    Luther    38    18-8, 11-3 IIAC
5    Wartburg    33    15-12, 8-6 IIAC
6    Coe    26    15-11, 8-6 IIAC
7    Simpson    23    7-19, 3-11 IIAC
8    Central    15    10-14, 3-11 IIAC
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 15, 2013, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 15, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa --- The University of Dubuque, which won the 2013 Iowa Conference basketball tournament and advanced to the NCAA Division III Championship, has been named a slim favorite by the coaches to capture the 2013-2014 Iowa Conference title. The Spartans received four of seven possible first-place votes (coaches cannot vote for their own teams), totaling 53 points in the IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll.

Buena Vista University picked up three first-place votes and sits second with 52 points. The Beavers were also picked second on four ballots. Loras College received the remaining first-place vote and edged Luther College for third place by a 40-38 margin. The complete 2013-2014 IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll follows.

Rank    School (1st place votes)    Points    2012-2013 Record
1    Dubuque (4)    53    22-7, 9-5 IIAC
2    Buena Vista (3)    52    19-7, 11-3 IIAC
3    Loras (1)    40    8-17, 3-11 IIAC
4    Luther    38    18-8, 11-3 IIAC
5    Wartburg    33    15-12, 8-6 IIAC
6    Coe    26    15-11, 8-6 IIAC
7    Simpson    23    7-19, 3-11 IIAC
8    Central    15    10-14, 3-11 IIAC

Is Loras getting this vote due to their strong history?  3-11 last year and they have been missing the conference tourey more than they have been making it the past few years.  Is there something I'm not aware of?  Some big time transfers??
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 15, 2013, 02:26:53 PM


Is Loras getting this vote due to their strong history?  3-11 last year and they have been missing the conference tourey more than they have been making it the past few years.  Is there something I'm not aware of?  Some big time transfers??
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That was my thought, but I guess that's why they play the games.
From the article
Loras returns three starters and 12 letterwinners from last season's 8-17 squad that tied for sixth place in the Conference with a 3-11 record. Leading the Duhawks will be junior wing Nathaniel Smith. Smith, a second team all-league pick, was the team's top scorer last season, averaging 10.4 points on 100-of-233 (42.9 percent) shooting. He also made a team-high-tying 33 3-pointers, posted team-highs with 71 assists and 28 steals and ranked third on the team with 109 rebounds. Smith ranked seventh among IIAC players in assists and steals and 12th in 3-point field-goal percentage.

Also back and expected to contribute are a couple of seniors – center Ryan Coon and wing player Alex Cline. Coon played in 23 games last season, starting eight, and ranked fourth on the team in scoring at 7.1 points per game. He shot a team-high 63.5 percent (73-of-115) from the field and pulled down 80 rebounds. His field-goal percentage ranked highest among IIAC players last season. Cline ranked sixth on the team in scoring with 7.0 points per game while pulling down a team-leading 138 rebounds. He was also one of the team's top free throw shooters, converting 53 of 66 attempts (80.3 percent) from the charity stripe. Cline also handed out 34 assists and made 20 steals. He ranked fifth among IIAC players in free-throw percentage and ninth in rebounding.

Loras head coach Greg Gorton says, "We are looking forward to this season. My team has a lot to prove and has been working extremely hard this off-season. I expect a balanced league top-to-bottom again this year."

http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2013/11/15/MBB_1115135506.aspx

Anxious to see what style/temp everyone will play this year. I think Wartburg will play not a quickly this year without Murphy and/or  Flenor running the point.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 16, 2013, 08:35:27 AM
Dubuque Telegraph-Herald article on Loras losing their season opener to Rockford and Dubuque winning their season opener to North Central of Minnesota.

http://www.thonline.com/sports/local_sports/article_0ef9e90b-c42d-573b-8ff0-9e9ba6a14826.html

From the article...


Rockford (Ill.) 89, Loras 84 -- At Rockford, Ill.: The Duhawks (0-1) lost their season opener after trailing by five at halftime and then playing Rockford to a stalemate, 45-45, in the second half.

Former Dubuque Wahlert prep Aaron Schueller scored a team-high 18 points on 7 of 11 shooting. Nathaniel Smith added 16 points and five assists for Loras.

Dubuque 88, North Central (Minn.) 70 -- At Minneapolis: The Spartans (1-0) opened the season with a victory at the Northwestern Tip-Off Tournament. Dubuque was picked by league coaches to win the Iowa Conference this season.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 16, 2013, 09:13:29 PM
Dubuque leading Northwestern Mn. 49-46 at the half.  Dubuque is shooting 61% from the field, including 6-9 from 3 point range...I then heard the announcers say even with those stats, Northwestern is shooting better than Dubuque...wow!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 16, 2013, 10:17:44 PM
Dubuque beats Northwestern Mn 85-81
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on November 19, 2013, 09:57:46 PM
Loras takes down #5 Wheaton.  They play #2 on Sat., could be a really big week for the Duhawks.  Regarding their chances, they have played under their talent in recent years.  They would be better if their center Ruton(sp?) was back but word is he just lost his passion for the basketball and didn't want to play anymore.  There is still enough talent there to put a run together though, I think they showed that tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 19, 2013, 10:04:49 PM
Dubuque beats Monmouth 91-81
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on November 20, 2013, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 15, 2013, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 15, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa --- The University of Dubuque, which won the 2013 Iowa Conference basketball tournament and advanced to the NCAA Division III Championship, has been named a slim favorite by the coaches to capture the 2013-2014 Iowa Conference title. The Spartans received four of seven possible first-place votes (coaches cannot vote for their own teams), totaling 53 points in the IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll.

Buena Vista University picked up three first-place votes and sits second with 52 points. The Beavers were also picked second on four ballots. Loras College received the remaining first-place vote and edged Luther College for third place by a 40-38 margin. The complete 2013-2014 IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll follows.

Rank    School (1st place votes)    Points    2012-2013 Record
1    Dubuque (4)    53    22-7, 9-5 IIAC
2    Buena Vista (3)    52    19-7, 11-3 IIAC
3    Loras (1)    40    8-17, 3-11 IIAC
4    Luther    38    18-8, 11-3 IIAC
5    Wartburg    33    15-12, 8-6 IIAC
6    Coe    26    15-11, 8-6 IIAC
7    Simpson    23    7-19, 3-11 IIAC
8    Central    15    10-14, 3-11 IIAC

Is Loras getting this vote due to their strong history?  3-11 last year and they have been missing the conference tourey more than they have been making it the past few years.  Is there something I'm not aware of?  Some big time transfers??

I thought Loras was a great example last year of how the league was so competitive.  Luther (co-champs last year with B.V.) split with Loras and if I remember correctly shot really well from the 3 in the game that they won against the Duhawks early in the season.  I thought Loras had a nice front line last year even though they were 3-11.  My memory was that they returned more guys this year, and maybe so did the coach that voted them to win the league.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on November 20, 2013, 12:13:48 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 16, 2013, 10:17:44 PM
Dubuque beats Northwestern Mn 85-81

That is usually a very solid win beating the Bible college from the Twin Cities as I have seen Luther play them a few times and Northwestern always has shooters (and at least one player that flops, grabs, and loses his temper quite often as well :)).

Sounds like both Dubuque and Loras are showing themselves already as contenders.  Congrats!

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on November 20, 2013, 12:20:13 PM
Luther beat UW-La Crosse last night in Decorah, 72-70.

That is a good win for a hopefully reloading Norse team as UWL was 3-0 coming into the game and had beaten a good Luther team last season.  Lots of season left, but it seems to be a solid start for some of the IIAC schools in hoops!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 20, 2013, 12:47:07 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on November 20, 2013, 12:20:13 PM
Luther beat UW-La Crosse last night in Decorah, 72-70.

That is a good win for a hopefully reloading Norse team as UWL was 3-0 coming into the game and had beaten a good Luther team last season.  Lots of season left, but it seems to be a solid start for some of the IIAC schools in hoops!

That is a nice win by Luther. This season will definitely be a grind.   

I'm curious how the new rules will come into play.  The write-up on the Dubuque game noted the number of fouls called, the number of free throw attempts, and how long the game took. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 20, 2013, 12:48:02 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on November 20, 2013, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 15, 2013, 12:26:34 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 15, 2013, 11:28:00 AM
CEDAR RAPIDS, Iowa --- The University of Dubuque, which won the 2013 Iowa Conference basketball tournament and advanced to the NCAA Division III Championship, has been named a slim favorite by the coaches to capture the 2013-2014 Iowa Conference title. The Spartans received four of seven possible first-place votes (coaches cannot vote for their own teams), totaling 53 points in the IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll.

Buena Vista University picked up three first-place votes and sits second with 52 points. The Beavers were also picked second on four ballots. Loras College received the remaining first-place vote and edged Luther College for third place by a 40-38 margin. The complete 2013-2014 IIAC Men's Basketball Coaches' Poll follows.

Rank    School (1st place votes)    Points    2012-2013 Record
1    Dubuque (4)    53    22-7, 9-5 IIAC
2    Buena Vista (3)    52    19-7, 11-3 IIAC
3    Loras (1)    40    8-17, 3-11 IIAC
4    Luther    38    18-8, 11-3 IIAC
5    Wartburg    33    15-12, 8-6 IIAC
6    Coe    26    15-11, 8-6 IIAC
7    Simpson    23    7-19, 3-11 IIAC
8    Central    15    10-14, 3-11 IIAC

Is Loras getting this vote due to their strong history?  3-11 last year and they have been missing the conference tourey more than they have been making it the past few years.  Is there something I'm not aware of?  Some big time transfers??

I thought Loras was a great example last year of how the league was so competitive.  Luther (co-champs last year with B.V.) split with Loras and if I remember correctly shot really well from the 3 in the game that they won against the Duhawks early in the season.  I thought Loras had a nice front line last year even though they were 3-11.  My memory was that they returned more guys this year, and maybe so did the coach that voted them to win the league.

Loras just knocked off #5 Wheaton, so maybe the coach who voted them #1 was on to something! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on November 20, 2013, 03:26:46 PM
Last seconds of the Loras win.  Hopefully they can ride this to bigger things.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvmUSkyEUkw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gvmUSkyEUkw)

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 21, 2013, 02:53:17 PM
Wartburg loses to Grinnell, 88-79.  Held J. Taylor to 3pts, his season average drops 30pts.

http://wartburgcircuit.org/wartburg-shuts-down-taylor-but-loses-to-grinnell-in-front-of-espn-cameras
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 22, 2013, 09:19:49 PM
Dubuque wins @ Benedictine 79-76.  UD led 72-68 with 35 seconds left.  Must have been a lot of fouls with free throws made and then buckets at the other end over those last 35 seconds. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 23, 2013, 06:28:30 PM
Dubuque beats Carthage 93-89 in OT.  Carthage was up 40-23 at the half.  Dubuque is now 5-0 on the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duhawk on November 23, 2013, 11:25:16 PM
Loras takes down #2 Illinois Wesleyan tonight 80-75 and they have indeed had a very nice week.  They were down by 10+ in 2nd half but started shooting it better.  Could be interesting, they are balanced and hard to defend. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 24, 2013, 08:52:54 PM
Loras is an enigma to me.  Losses to Rockford and Millikin...wins against Wheaton and Illinois Wesleyan.  I'm just not sure what to make of that. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 30, 2013, 07:52:53 AM
Just so we don't go too long without a post.

The Dubuque Telegraph-Herald reports the Jon Davison Holiday Tourney starts today. 

http://www.thonline.com/sports/local_sports/article_0ff5cb4b-f172-5c71-b2a6-add7f20b21c7.html

From the article...

Jon Davison Holiday Tournament

Today's games

5 p.m. -- Clarke University (8-3) vs. St. Francis of Illinois (4-7)

7 p.m. -- University of Dubuque (8-0) vs. Rockford University (7-3)

Tuesday's games

2 p.m. -- Consolation

4 p.m. -- Championship
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 30, 2013, 09:54:01 PM
Dubuque beats Rockford in the 1st round of the Jon Davison Tourney 89-81.  I would characterize it as "hanging on to win"  UD was up 72-48 when I tuned in with a little over 10 minutes left in the 2nd half.  The next thing I knew it was a ballgame. 

St Francis of IL beat Clarke 93-81 in the opening game of the evening. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 31, 2013, 09:29:47 PM
Dubuque wins their own Jon Davison Tourney with a 79-61 win over St. Francis IL

The win moves UD to 10-0 on the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 02, 2014, 11:16:34 AM
Congrats to the Spartans!  They seem to be picking up from where they left off last season.

I must admit that I haven't been paying too much attention to the Iowa Conference members (except Luther) since the football season ended.  It looks like Wartburg and B.V. have been playing some of the same opponents as the Norse.  B.V. looks like once again they plan on scoring a lot.

I have been to a couple of Norse wins and saw a couple of other wins and a loss on the computer.  A couple people had been telling me good things about Norse Basketball in the fall, but I had a hard time seeing Luther having a strong year this season without the two stud big men from last year.

However having seen the Norse enough now to get a feel for trends of what are the strengths and weaknesses, I am starting to really wonder that maybe the Norse really are a contender again in 2014.  John Androus has been outstanding so far this season (16.5 ppg, 6.6 rbs, 2.7 apg) and Jake Martin has also been strong inside (12.3 ppg, 9.5 rbs).  With Tyler W. having graduated, the Norse are not as strong at the back end of the defense, but they still are working really hard to keep from having to double on good scorers.

It was impressive to see the mental toughness in road wins at Northwestern and UW-River Falls.

The thing that seems so much different this year (to this point) is that the Norse are shooting 38.5% from beyond the arc.  If they can keep that up and continue to shoot almost 48% from the field, then I would expect good things as the Norse usually can play defense.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 09, 2014, 12:22:07 AM
Okay, so I am late to the party again, what else is new?  Well I can answer that, wins by both the men and women over mighty fine Luther teams.  Both come from behind wins and far too close for comfort. Congratulations to the Dutch and sorry that you have such a long ride home, it was completely opposite what they had to be expecting.  I don't quite no how to handle both Central teams at the top of the conference after only one game.  Hope they can build some momentum with the Spartans coming to town on Saturday.

Doolittle aren't you and tour family about ready for some tasty Dutch letters?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 09, 2014, 01:34:50 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 09, 2014, 12:22:07 AM
Okay, so I am late to the party again, what else is new?  Well I can answer that, wins by both the men and women over mighty fine Luther teams.  Both come from behind wins and far too close for comfort. Congratulations to the Dutch and sorry that you have such a long ride home, it was completely opposite what they had to be expecting.  I don't quite no how to handle both Central teams at the top of the conference after only one game.  Hope they can build some momentum with the Spartans coming to town on Saturday.

Doolittle aren't you and tour family about ready for some tasty Dutch letters?

I wish...but our kids are to that age now where our weekend schedules are pretty filled up.  It looks like both games should be pretty hard fought contests. 

Conference standings...
Men
Dubuque (RV)  1-0 12-0
Central            1-0   8-4
Loras              1-0    8-4
Buena Vista     1-0    6-6
Coe                 0-1    8-4
Luther             0-1    8-4
Wartburg         0-1    6-6
Simpson          0-1    2-10

Women
Central         1-0 9-3
Dubuque      1-0 8-4
Coe             1-0 6-6
Loras           1-0 6-6
Luther          0-1 9-3
Buena Vista  0-1 6-6
Wartburg      0-1 6-6
Simpson       0-1 5-7

What happened to the Simpson women's program???

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 09, 2014, 08:17:51 PM
Guess I get all the letters, Saturday.  It is a little discouraging that all the letters are in the shape of an S.  The Spartans ought to be stocking up on them.

If the games do not go as well as last night, at least I will have plenty of sugar to keep me sweet!

I have a bit more faith in the women right now as they seem to be stepping up more consistently, not to mention that I remember the Pella girls doing well in high school and at the state tourney.  The men can do it, but I am just never sure if they will show up or not.  They seem to do better when the students are on break, then struggle when classes resume.  Not sure if it is academic or social pressure that breaks them down though.

Go Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 11, 2014, 07:00:37 PM
Hey Klompen, my computer is malfunctioning today.  I can't get video, so was unable to watch the game.  Mrs Doolittle wants to know if Mitchell Boerm got any playing time...she was his babysitter back when he was a wee lad...not the 6'6 kid he grew to become  ;D

I hope you had a great day out, even though your favorite team came out on the losing end. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 12, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
Good win Saturday by the Knights against Luther 76-69. 6-10 pt  lead for the Knights all day. Diemer did a very good job of passing out of the double team and when it didn't come did damage 1 on 1.  Wartburg is playing much better since Taylor Jacobsmeier has joined the team after the football season and is starting. A stop @ Toppling Goliath Brewing and Mabe's... A good day.

A new eating a drinking establishment is opening in the near future in Waverly., Dirty Dogs is opening in the former Godfathers site. Owner has Toad's  and Wild Hare in CF and Screaming Eagle in Waterloo.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2014, 07:58:24 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 12, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
Good win Saturday by the Knights against Luther 76-69. 6-10 pt  lead for the Knights all day. Diemer did a very good job of passing out of the double team and when it didn't come did damage 1 on 1.  Wartburg is playing much better since Taylor Jacobsmeier has joined the team after the football season and is starting. A stop @ Toppling Goliath Brewing and Mabe's... A good day.

A new eating a drinking establishment is opening in the near future in Waverly., Dirty Dogs is opening in the former Godfathers site. Owner has Toad's  and Wild Hare in CF and Screaming Eagle in Waterloo.

Now that is a name of an eating/drinking establishment I would like to try out  ;)  Though I think my wife has her heart set on visiting the Fainting Goat, after hearing me and my kids tell her about the place  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 13, 2014, 07:57:18 AM
doolittle, 1 place for pregame, 1 for post game. I'll send out a scouting report once D Dog's is open.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 14, 2014, 01:02:38 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 12, 2014, 09:29:54 AM
Good win Saturday by the Knights against Luther 76-69. 6-10 pt  lead for the Knights all day. Diemer did a very good job of passing out of the double team and when it didn't come did damage 1 on 1.  Wartburg is playing much better since Taylor Jacobsmeier has joined the team after the football season and is starting. A stop @ Toppling Goliath Brewing and Mabe's... A good day.

A new eating a drinking establishment is opening in the near future in Waverly., Dirty Dogs is opening in the former Godfathers site. Owner has Toad's  and Wild Hare in CF and Screaming Eagle in Waterloo.

Congrats to the Knights as I only saw the 2nd half, but it looked like the Norse were swimming upstream the whole time.  Luther almost never had to or wanted to double team on defense these past three to four years, but Diemer and others forced the Norse into doing some of that.  Big road win for Wartburg as I thought the Norse has the better preseason between the two teams.

Speaking of the Norse Defense not being quite what it has been, it seems like it has been a long time since the Norse scored in the 80s and still lost the game.  Central did that to the Norse earlier last week (84-82) even though Luther shot well and limited turnovers.  They just couldn't stop Central enough.  Kevin Kaerwer shot the ball like Jimmy Chitwood in Hoosiers and the Norse did not alter enough of the Dutch shot attempts.

Can Luther get it turned around this week?  Dubuque will be very hard to beat with how the Norse defended last week, but I still think Luther can be solid to good within the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 14, 2014, 07:45:19 PM
I grabbed a beer and sat down in front of the computer, all ready to watch the UD/Luther double header...only to realize that would be Wednesday evening  :o
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 14, 2014, 11:06:45 PM
Hey Doolittle, congrats to the Spartan men and women for their close victories over the Dutch.  I really thought it was going to be a case of dejavue for the women, but the last second shot would not fall.  Then the men easily lead the first half while UD looked kind of like they were just going through the motions.  Then the second half Central seemed to just go through the motions.  You have to win the close ones at home.  If we had not won against Luther, I would not have expected us to be in the game though, so maybe there is still some hope.  The men's game was much closer than the final score.

Boycotting all Dutch letters in the shape of an S!

Winning the close ones was so much better!!!  Duh!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 15, 2014, 10:24:20 PM
WB knightvision = no vision

Could get men's live stats until 12:12 left in the game with the Dutch up by 13.  Then the stats froze.  No wonder I don't have a high opinion of them!   :D :D :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 15, 2014, 10:55:02 PM
I think Wartburg is the lone hold out in the conference without Stretch Internet.  Too bad.  Always hard to get road wins in this conference, good job Dutch! 

UD and BVU sitting at the top of the conference at the moment at 3-0 and they play each other in Dubuque this weekend.  I will be at a swim meet cheering on my daughter and keeping tabs on my phone...thank goodness for twitter and this site  ;)

Dubuque  3-0 14-0
BVU         3-0  8-6
Central     2-1  9-5
Loras       2-1  9-5
Coe         1-2  9-5
Wartburg 1-2  7-7
Luther     0-3  8-6
Simpson  0-3  2-12

Games this weekend...
BVU @ UD
Central @ Loras
Luther @ Simpson
Coe @ Wartburg       
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 17, 2014, 01:42:54 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 14, 2014, 07:45:19 PM
I grabbed a beer and sat down in front of the computer, all ready to watch the UD/Luther double header...only to realize that would be Wednesday evening  :o

I did not make that mistake, but I did let life get in the way and only saw the 2nd half.

When I was watching it seemed as if Norris and Frazier were playing like the all-conference players that they are.  Dubuque was the best conference foe that the Norse have seen so far.  John Androus and Jake Martin did some things for the Norse.

What disappoints me is that Luther was 8-3 with some tough opponents in the non-conference, but in league play they are now 0-3 and the guards did almost nothing against UD.  The defense is not as good without Tyler W. around, but it needs to get better and the guard play has to get more consistent again.  I guess the game against Simpson is pretty big on Saturday.

Good luck to the Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 17, 2014, 01:43:32 PM
Quote from: Klompen on January 15, 2014, 10:24:20 PM
WB knightvision = no vision

Could get men's live stats until 12:12 left in the game with the Dutch up by 13.  Then the stats froze.  No wonder I don't have a high opinion of them!   :D :D :D

Agreed!

Maybe Wartburg doesn't care though as the #7 Luther Wrestling team was spanked by the #1 Knights last night.  It is amazing all of the good Luther Wrestling teams under Mitchell have rarely even sniffed a shot at the league title.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 19, 2014, 10:09:59 AM
BVU @ Dubuque from what I could follow on my phone sounded like a good game.  Lot's of lead changes and close throughout.  From what I could gather, BVU has some height and used that to their advantage to out rebound Dubuque by a decent margin...which in turn meant UD fouled more...which lead to BVU going to the line more.  BVU went 22-29 from the line (or there abouts) and UD went 12-15 from the line.  Sounds like poor shooting by BVU (or good defense by UD) is what kept UD in the game. 

Buena Vista 63 Dubuque 65   
Coe 65 Wartburg 71   
Central 60 Loras 70   
Luther 91 Simpson 95

Dubuque (RV)  4-0 15-0
Loras               3-1 10-5
Buena Vista     3-1   8-7
Central            2-2  9-6
Wartburg        2-2   8-7
Coe                1-3   9-6
Simpson         1-3   3-12
Luther            0-4   8-7

Wednesdays games...
Dubuque @ Coe     
Simpson @ Central     
Wartburg @ Buena Vista   
Loras @ Luther 


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: keith45 on January 21, 2014, 04:15:07 PM
Looks like UD has entered the polls at #25! GO SPARTANS!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 07:27:24 AM
Wednesday night games...

Wartburg 67 @ Buena Vista 79 ...AEN thinks to himself "I need a drink...at the Dirty Dog AND the Fainting Goat"   
Dubuque 66 @ Coe 56  ...keith45 thinks to himself "I should really start watching these UD games on the computer"
Loras 70 @ Luther 72  ...Floyd thinks to himself "I knew this Norse team was better than their conference record"
Simpson 83 @ Central 84 OT ...Klompen celebrates with a Dutch letter...or 3  ;D

Standings...

Dubuque (25)  5-0 16-0
Buena Vista     4-1   9-7
Central            3-2 10-6
Loras               3-2 10-6
Wartburg         2-3   8-8
Coe                 1-4   9-7
Luther             1-4   9-7
Simpson          1-4   3-13

Weekend games...

Central @ Buena Vista  4pm
Wartburg @ Simpson  4pm     
Luther @ Coe  4pm     
Dubuque @ Loras  6pm   


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 23, 2014, 08:34:43 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 07:27:24 AM
Wednesday night games...

Wartburg 67 @ Buena Vista 79 ...AEN thinks to himself "I need a drink...at the Dirty Dog AND the Fainting Goat"

Too dang cold to go out and drink, but the fridge @ home was stocked. Jacobsmeier, Diemer, Perkins combined 7 for 30, nuff said.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BandGetsToPlay on January 23, 2014, 10:11:13 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 07:27:24 AM
Wednesday night games...

Wartburg 67 @ Buena Vista 79 ...AEN thinks to himself "I need a drink...at the Dirty Dog AND the Fainting Goat"   
Dubuque 66 @ Coe 56  ...keith45 thinks to himself "I should really start watching these UD games on the computer"
Loras 70 @ Luther 72  ...Floyd thinks to himself "I knew this Norse team was better than their conference record"
Simpson 83 @ Central 84 OT ...Klompen celebrates with a Dutch letter...or 3  ;D

Standings...

Dubuque (25)  5-0 16-0
Buena Vista     4-1   9-7
Central            3-2 10-6
Loras               3-2 10-6
Wartburg         2-3   8-8
Coe                 1-4   9-7
Luther             1-4   9-7
Simpson          1-4   3-13

Weekend games...

Central @ Buena Vista  4pm
Wartburg @ Simpson  4pm     
Luther @ Coe  4pm     
Dubuque @ Loras  6pm   

Not sure what to make of these scores last night, anyone can beat anyone I suppose.  ???  ::) Didn't realize Simpson was 3-13 overall, 1-4 conference. They gave Central a scare though...maybe it's just UD and the rest this season?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 10:39:59 AM
[quote author=BandGetsToPlay link=topic=3611.msg1573971#msg1573971 date=1390489873

Not sure what to make of these scores last night, anyone can beat anyone I suppose.  ???  ::) Didn't realize Simpson was 3-13 overall, 1-4 conference. They gave Central a scare though...maybe it's just UD and the rest this season?
[/quote]

Dubuque was fortunate to get a home win against BVU, and fortunate to get a road victory @ Central.  Loras could probably be considered a favorite over UD @ home, as should BVU @ home.  Dubuque would need some bounces to go their way to run the table in the conference.  I do think you can consider the Spartans as among the favorites for the title and starting 5-0 sure helps.  The Spartans have a deep bench, play defense well, and have a number of players that can score each game.  I would love some more height, but you won't find me complaining.  UD was winning conference titles when I was there, then the late 90's - early part of the last decade saw some mighty struggles.  I'm happy to see what coach Sieverding has been able to build and hope he sticks around as long as coach Davison did. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Messing around at work...Conference regular season titles/tourney titles...

Buena Vista 11/7
Central       16/1
Coe              2/0
Dubuque      7/1
Loras           6/2
Luther         9/1
Simpson      5/0
Wartburg   21/1

BVU - 26;62;76;97;00;02;03;04;08;09;13   ...00;02;03;04;05;06;12
Central - 30;31;32;36;58;71;77;78;79;80;85;91;92;94;95;10   ...10
Coe - 06;12
Dubuque - 41;44;47;48;86;88;90   ...13
Loras - 44;45;46;50;51;07   ...07;08
Luther - 37;43;49;54;67;82;84;11;13   ...11
Simpson - 40;42;92;95;98
Wartburg - 52;55;59;60;67;68;69;70;71;72;73;74;75;83;87;89;91;93;01;05;06   ...01

Conference titles
Wartburg - 21
Central    - 16
BVU        - 11
Luther     -  9
Dubuque  - 7
Loras      -  6
Simpson  - 5
Coe        -  2

Tourney titles
BVU        - 7
Loras      - 2
Central    - 1
Dubuque  - 1
Luther     - 1
Wartburg - 1
Coe         - 0
Simpson  - 0
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 23, 2014, 01:35:01 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 12:55:35 PM
Messing around at work...Conference regular season titles/tourney titles...

Buena Vista 11/7
Central       16/1
Coe              2/0
Dubuque      7/1
Loras           6/2
Luther         9/1
Simpson      5/0
Wartburg   21/1

BVU - 26;62;76;97;00;02;03;04;08;09;13   ...00;02;03;04;05;06;12
Central - 30;31;32;36;58;71;77;78;79;80;85;91;92;94;95;10   ...10
Coe - 06;12
Dubuque - 41;44;47;48;86;88;90   ...13
Loras - 44;45;46;50;51;07   ...07;08
Luther - 37;43;49;54;67;82;84;11;13   ...11
Simpson - 40;42;92;95;98
Wartburg - 52;55;59;60;67;68;69;70;71;72;73;74;75;83;87;89;91;93;01;05;06   ...01

Conference titles
Wartburg - 21
Central    - 16
BVU        - 11
Luther     -  9
Dubuque  - 7
Loras      -  6
Simpson  - 5
Coe        -  2

Tourney titles
BVU        - 7
Loras      - 2
Central    - 1
Dubuque  - 1
Luther     - 1
Wartburg - 1
Coe         - 0
Simpson  - 0

A few things:

B.V. has been the best hoops program overall since I graduated from high school in 1991.

It seems like Central has been a very steady basketball program.

Wartburg was UCLA within the Iowa Conference from 1967-1975 (The Bruins had Kareem and Bill Walton at the same time and were winning national titles).  Buzz did a great job with that program.

Wartburg stole Luther's thunder in hoops in some ways as the Norse had the all-time winning percentage in IIAC play in the first 40 years of the league (1922-1961)
School                   W-L             Pct.
Luther                265-158         .626
Simpson             289-234         .553
Wartburg            166-160         .509
Central               272-279         .494
Dubuque            200-213         .484
Parsons              229-256         .472
Iowa Wesleyan   207-251          .452
Upper Iowa        193-258          .428
Buena Vista       154-247           .384
William Penn      115-276           .294

Per The Iowa Conference Story (Loras not listed)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 23, 2014, 01:50:49 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 07:27:24 AM
Wednesday night games...

Wartburg 67 @ Buena Vista 79 ...AEN thinks to himself "I need a drink...at the Dirty Dog AND the Fainting Goat"   
Dubuque 66 @ Coe 56  ...keith45 thinks to himself "I should really start watching these UD games on the computer"
Loras 70 @ Luther 72  ...Floyd thinks to himself "I knew this Norse team was better than their conference record"
Simpson 83 @ Central 84 OT ...Klompen celebrates with a Dutch letter...or 3  ;D

Standings...

Dubuque (25)  5-0 16-0
Buena Vista     4-1   9-7
Central            3-2 10-6
Loras               3-2 10-6
Wartburg         2-3   8-8
Coe                 1-4   9-7
Luther             1-4   9-7
Simpson          1-4   3-13

Weekend games...

Central @ Buena Vista  4pm
Wartburg @ Simpson  4pm     
Luther @ Coe  4pm     
Dubuque @ Loras  6pm   

I am not sure Luther is much better right now than the IIAC record of 1-4.  Yes, they lost two very high scoring close games on the road to Central and Simpson that they could have won, but they also blew a 16-point lead at home to Loras but held on to win.

They really needed those Central and Simpson games.

It seemed like the Norse were ready for IIAC play as they did well with a schedule of La Crosse, Bethel, Stout, River Falls, Mount Mercy, and Northwestern.  But perhaps some of the close wins and close losses just showed that the Norse were going to have a bunch of those games in league play.

John Androus (21.2 ppg, 9.6 rbs, 4.2 assists in league play) has been great all season and hit the game winner last night.  However, some of the three-point shooting and guard play has been more up-and-down in league play than in non-conference.

With the guys not playing great team defense or having Tyler W. on the back end, a lot of games are going to be coin flips or worst the rest of the way.  I hope I am wrong! :D

They still are fun to watch though for the most part.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 23, 2014, 01:56:46 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcjJAQod-TU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcjJAQod-TU)

Androus Game Winner vs Loras

Go Norse!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 23, 2014, 04:51:50 PM
Tonight's Hoopsville (Thursday, January 23) is set to air starting at 7 PM EST. Tune in to hear from #25 Dubuque coach Robbie Sieverding and the following guests:

- Transylvania WBB coach Greg Todd
- Johns Hopkins WBB coach Nancy Funk
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 05:09:59 PM
We have completed 90 seasons of IIAC basketball.  One decade left until we hit the century mark.

Titles by decade...

School  24-33  34-43  44-53  54-63  64-73  74-83  84-93  94-03  04-13
BVU         1          0        0        1         0         1         0        4         4
Central     3          1        0        1         1         4         3        2         1
Coe          ---       ---      ---      ---       ---       ---       ---      0          2
Dubuque   0          1        3        0         0         0         3        0         0
Loras        0          0        5        ---      ---        ---       0        0         1
Luther      0           2        1         1        1         1         1       0          2
Simpson    0          2        0        0         0         0         1       2          0
Wartburg   0          0        1        3         7         3         4       1          2

Titles by quarter century...

School   1st quarter  2nd quarter  3rd quarter  4th quarter (1st 15)
BVU           1                 1                2                  7
Central       4                 2                9                  1
Coe           ---               ---              ---                 2
Dubuque     4                 0                3                  0
Loras          3                 2                0                  1
Luther         2                 3                2                  2
Simpson      2                 0                3                  0
Wartburg     0                 11              7                  3   


                           
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BandGetsToPlay on January 27, 2014, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 10:39:59 AM
[quote author=BandGetsToPlay link=topic=3611.msg1573971#msg1573971 date=1390489873

Not sure what to make of these scores last night, anyone can beat anyone I suppose.  ???  ::) Didn't realize Simpson was 3-13 overall, 1-4 conference. They gave Central a scare though...maybe it's just UD and the rest this season?

Dubuque was fortunate to get a home win against BVU, and fortunate to get a road victory @ Central.  Loras could probably be considered a favorite over UD @ home, as should BVU @ home.  Dubuque would need some bounces to go their way to run the table in the conference.  I do think you can consider the Spartans as among the favorites for the title and starting 5-0 sure helps.  The Spartans have a deep bench, play defense well, and have a number of players that can score each game.  I would love some more height, but you won't find me complaining.  UD was winning conference titles when I was there, then the late 90's - early part of the last decade saw some mighty struggles.  I'm happy to see what coach Sieverding has been able to build and hope he sticks around as long as coach Davison did.
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Like I said...UD and the rest!

Dutch barely beat Wartburg at home but yet knocks off BV on the road. Maybe Central is the next man up behind Sparty?  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 28, 2014, 09:57:34 AM
Quote from: BandGetsToPlay on January 27, 2014, 04:45:01 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 23, 2014, 10:39:59 AM
[quote author=BandGetsToPlay link=topic=3611.msg1573971#msg1573971 date=1390489873

Not sure what to make of these scores last night, anyone can beat anyone I suppose.  ???  ::) Didn't realize Simpson was 3-13 overall, 1-4 conference. They gave Central a scare though...maybe it's just UD and the rest this season?

Dubuque was fortunate to get a home win against BVU, and fortunate to get a road victory @ Central.  Loras could probably be considered a favorite over UD @ home, as should BVU @ home.  Dubuque would need some bounces to go their way to run the table in the conference.  I do think you can consider the Spartans as among the favorites for the title and starting 5-0 sure helps.  The Spartans have a deep bench, play defense well, and have a number of players that can score each game.  I would love some more height, but you won't find me complaining.  UD was winning conference titles when I was there, then the late 90's - early part of the last decade saw some mighty struggles.  I'm happy to see what coach Sieverding has been able to build and hope he sticks around as long as coach Davison did.

Like I said...UD and the rest!

Dutch barely beat Wartburg at home but yet knocks off BV on the road. Maybe Central is the next man up behind Sparty?  ???
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The Wartburg - Central game was @ Wartburg and was a 10pt game the entire 2nd half (barely?, The Dutch were in control all night)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 28, 2014, 01:34:43 PM
Congrats to Loras for dusting themselves off from losing at Luther to beating the rival Spartans to make the IIAC race more interesting.

Congrats to Wartburg as well for doing something that Luther did not do as they won down in Indianola against the Storm.

Maybe Luther can play the role of spoiler every once in a while as winning 90-70 @ Coe by going 13-27 from the arc is a good day. :)  The Norse get the Beavers on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 28, 2014, 03:07:58 PM
Last Saturdays games...

Luther 90 @ Coe 70 ...The stories of the Norse demise have been greatly exaggerated!!! 
Wartburg 83 @ Simpson 67 ...Always good to get a road win   
Central 76 @ Buena Vista 72   ...I did not see that result coming.   
Dubuque 66 @ Loras 76 ...Loras played physical and it worked.  Duhawks are schizophrenic team, never know what team will show up.

Good day to be the road team...unless you were the Spartans  >:(

Dubuque (RV)  5-1 16-1
Central            4-2 11-6
Loras               4-2 11-6
Buena Vista      4-2   9-8
Wartburg          3-3  9-8
Luther              2-4 10-7
Coe                  1-5   9-8
Simpson           1-5   3-14

Wednesday games...

Coe @ Central     
Simpson @ Dubuque   Also broadcast on KCRG Channel 9.2  as well as Stretch Internet
Buena Vista @ Luther     
Loras @ Wartburg


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2014, 10:12:28 AM
Dubuque is 16-1 and you're confused about what team might show up.  Doesn't the record suggest that the team that shows up is typically the team that gets a win.  One loss makes them "schizophrenic?"  ???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 29, 2014, 10:46:50 AM
Quote from: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2014, 10:12:28 AM
Dubuque is 16-1 and you're confused about what team might show up.  Doesn't the record suggest that the team that shows up is typically the team that gets a win.  One loss makes them "schizophrenic?"  ???

Loras is the schizophrenic team, not Dubuque.  Loras has at least 3 wins against top 25 teams this year...but then some puzzling losses.  Which has been the M.O. the past few years.  Loads of talent, yet Loras has missed the conference tourney each of the last 3 seasons. 

For future reference...Loras Duhawks and Dubuque Spartans  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on January 29, 2014, 11:01:08 AM
Duh!!!  My bad, next time I'll read it more carefully.  I remember the Duhawks team that came to WHITEWATER in 2008 led by Kyle White's 33 points and beat my WARHAWKS 71-70 in the NCAA tournament before losing to Wheaton by three the next night.  He was a really nice player.

I am a closet Spartan fan.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 29, 2014, 10:54:22 PM
The Norse beat B.V. tonight in Decorah, 78-71.  It is always considered a very good win to me when the Norse can top B.V. (a very good basketball program).  The Norse are now 3-4 in the IIAC and the Beavers fall to 4-3.

The other score I have seen so far is that Central beat Coe, 74-63.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 29, 2014, 11:11:45 PM
Wartburg and Loras are going to OT, 82-82.

The video feed for Wartburg is better than normal (I admit I don't watch Wartburg much ;D).

It must be past bedtime in Waverly as not many fans are at this game (that I can see).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 29, 2014, 11:16:50 PM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on January 29, 2014, 11:11:45 PM
Wartburg and Loras are going to OT, 82-82.

The video feed for Wartburg is better than normal (I admit I don't watch Wartburg much ;D).

It must be past bedtime in Waverly as not many fans are at this game (that I can see).

The last few games I have been to @ Wartburg have been like visiting a morgue.  Unfortunate, because back in the day that was a rowdy place to see a game.  Along with that old barn @ Loras.  The late 80's into the early 90's were some good times to follow IIAC basketball...huge crowds on a pretty regular basis. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 29, 2014, 11:27:40 PM
Wartburg won over a good Loras team.

Over half of the 70 or 80 people at the Knights game looked like they were students when Buzz was building the program back in the 1960s.

I guess I am used to the Wartburg games when the Norse come to town.  They actually pull the student section bleachers behind the hoop out for those games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 29, 2014, 11:33:34 PM
Dubuque beat Simpson, 76-66.  The Spartans are now 6-1 in the league.

Simpson shot over 50 free throws when they beat the Norse in overtime earlier in the season (95-91?).  Hopefully the Norse can guard better this Saturday when the Storm come to town.

Northwestern wins at Wisconsin, Penn State wins at Ohio State, and Michigan is undefeated in Big Ten play.  I guess that is why they play the games!  Some of these rankings don't mean much right now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 29, 2014, 11:37:06 PM
Thanks for the chuckle, Floyd.  I agree, the Wartburg crowd did look like a geriatric convention there.  Which is a shame, because that is a beautiful facility. 

Games tonight...

Coe   63 @ Central 74   
Buena Vista 71 @ Luther   78   
Simpson 66 @ Dubuque 76   
Loras lost @ Wartburg   

Standings...

Dubuque (RV)   6-1   17-1
Central           5-2   12-6
Loras           4-3   11-7
Wartburg    4-3   10-8
Buena Vista       4-3     9-9
Luther           3-4   11-7
Coe                   1-6     9-9
Simpson           1-6    3-15

Games this Saturday...

Loras @ Central       
Coe @ Dubuque       
Buena Vista @ Wartburg       
Simpson @ Luther

Just like that Luther could be looking at 4-4 in the conference and some big time momentum. 
Hopefully, Dubuque has a deep enough bench, they can just keep grinding out some hard fought wins.  Coe @ home this weekend and then Dubuque closes the regular season with 4 of 6 on the road. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 30, 2014, 08:02:02 AM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on January 29, 2014, 11:27:40 PM
Wartburg won over a good Loras team.

Over half of the 70 or 80 people at the Knights game looked like they were students when Buzz was building the program back in the 1960s.

I guess I am used to the Wartburg games when the Norse come to town.  They actually pull the student section bleachers behind the hoop out for those games.

HEY! I resemble that remark, well not the 60's but I would have been a student in the late 70's early 80's! Most of the one's there were faculty when Buzz what coaching.

I really don't know why a lot of students (who bother to attend) leave after the women's game or @ 1/2 of mens game. {The one's who don't come are probably studying :P} The Athletic dept decided they are not going to use the bleachers on the south end until sides are full on a regular basis.

Wartburg played hard and built the big lead with letting the offense go around Diemer, then they FORCED it to him and that doesn't work. But a win is a win and the Knights have a winning streak! -2 game. First time since the  non-conf they didn't follow a W with an L.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 30, 2014, 12:25:39 PM
AEN was the bald guy with the walker, flanked by two 20 something nurses  ;)

What time do the bars close in Waverly?  Perhaps that had something to do with the exodus of the students  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 30, 2014, 12:51:48 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 30, 2014, 08:02:02 AM
Quote from: Floyd in Iowa City on January 29, 2014, 11:27:40 PM
Wartburg won over a good Loras team.

Over half of the 70 or 80 people at the Knights game looked like they were students when Buzz was building the program back in the 1960s.

I guess I am used to the Wartburg games when the Norse come to town.  They actually pull the student section bleachers behind the hoop out for those games.

HEY! I resemble that remark, well not the 60's but I would have been a student in the late 70's early 80's! Most of the one's there were faculty when Buzz what coaching.

I really don't know why a lot of students (who bother to attend) leave after the women's game or @ 1/2 of mens game. {The one's who don't come are probably studying :P} The Athletic dept decided they are not going to use the bleachers on the south end until sides are full on a regular basis.

Wartburg played hard and built the big lead with letting the offense go around Diemer, then they FORCED it to him and that doesn't work. But a win is a win and the Knights have a winning streak! -2 game. First time since the  non-conf they didn't follow a W with an L.

I think that is a good idea about leaving the south end bleachers up with the crowds that show.  One of the things that I like about IIAC ball or Iowa High School ball (or even Gonzaga and the gyms they play in) is that the shooting backdrops are set up for good shooters to shoot it well (like some of the guys that Buzz used to have in the old Wartburg gym).

I don't like when the NCAA regionals for Division I are placed in domes or venues that make shooters feel like they are playing outside.

Congrats on the winning streak. :-\

Hopefully the Norse play better the next time they see the Knights.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on January 30, 2014, 12:59:15 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 29, 2014, 11:37:06 PM
Thanks for the chuckle, Floyd.  I agree, the Wartburg crowd did look like a geriatric convention there.  Which is a shame, because that is a beautiful facility. 

Games tonight...

Coe   63 @ Central 74   
Buena Vista 71 @ Luther   78   
Simpson 66 @ Dubuque 76   
Loras lost @ Wartburg   

Just like that Luther could be looking at 4-4 in the conference and some big time momentum. 
Hopefully, Dubuque has a deep enough bench, they can just keep grinding out some hard fought wins.  Coe @ home this weekend and then Dubuque closes the regular season with 4 of 6 on the road.

Central is a good shooting team when I have paid attention, but to me it seems as if Loras and B.V. look they have more upside this season if not more talent.  It is fun to follow a team that can consistently shoot the ball.

When Dubuque is playing well I think they should be good at home or on the road.  I thought that was the hardest team for the Norse to match against.

For people that know more about Coe, is there a solid chance for them to start getting it together? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 01, 2014, 07:16:15 PM
Saturday 02/01/2014 games...

Simpson 61-79 Luther  ...to paraphrase Dennis Green "Luther is who we thought they were...lately"
Coe 65-71 Dubuque   ...a win doesn't have to be pretty. 
BVU 79-63 Wartburg   ...Wartburg beat Loras, lost to BVU, get UD on Wednesday...all at home
Loras 74-76 Central   ...Central is in stealth mode, very quietly sitting in 2nd place...where is Klompen???

Standings...

Dubuque 7-1   18-1
Central   6-2   13-6
BVU        5-3   10-9
Luther     4-4   12-7
Loras       4-4   11-8
Wartburg 4-4   10-9
Coe         1-7     9-10
Simpson  1-7     3-16

Wednesday games, assuming winter snowmagedon doesn't postpone games...

Central @ Simpson     
Coe @ Buena Vista     
Dubuque @ Wartburg   
Luther @ Loras   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 01, 2014, 11:47:57 PM
Congrats to all the winners, especially Central as they moved to 6-2 with a good win over Loras.

Norse win!  Hawks win at Illinois!  Good day!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 06, 2014, 12:17:05 AM
Another big win for the Norse as they won at Loras, 75-74.

John Androus was very good again tonight as he had 24 points (8-13 from the field, 7-9 from the line).

The Norse have now won 5 in a row after losing the first 4 games.  The good streak may end on Saturday as they go to Storm Lake, but for now they are 13-7 overall.

Other scores:

Dubuque 83, Wartburg 65
B.V. 80, Coe 74
Central 80, Simpson 76 (Central is now 7-2!)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2014, 01:55:46 AM
Congrats Floyd, Luther is playing some good ball right now. 

After attempting to watch the UD/Wartburg womens game on Knight Vision and never getting to see more than 3 seconds before it would start buffering, I knew better than to  try to watch the mens side of the action live.  I thought maybe if I tuned in around midnight I could watch the archived broadcast with no problems.  Wrong.  There are only 8 viewers right now, but I still can only get 3 seconds of viewing before it buffers.  That sucks. 

Standings now...

Dubuque  8-1   19-1   ...I am enjoying this
Central     7-2   14-6   ...Dutch staying strong
BVU          6-3   11-9   ...BVU being their typical selves
Luther      5-4   13-7   ...The Norse have righted their ship
Loras       4-5   11-9   ,,,Duhawks getting close to missing their 4th straight conference tourney
Wartburg 4-5   10-10   ,,,need to dump Knight Vision for Stretch Internet
Coe          1-8     9-11   ...Don't play poorly, just not enough there to eek out close wins
Simpson   1-8     3-17   ...Ditto above, a better team than their record indicates

Saturday games...

Dubuque @ Simpson
Wartburg @ Loras
Central @ Coe
Luther @ BVU
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 06, 2014, 11:21:31 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 06, 2014, 01:55:46 AM
Congrats Floyd, Luther is playing some good ball right now. 

After attempting to watch the UD/Wartburg womens game on Knight Vision and never getting to see more than 3 seconds before it would start buffering, I knew better than to  try to watch the mens side of the action live.  I thought maybe if I tuned in around midnight I could watch the archived broadcast with no problems.  Wrong.  There are only 8 viewers right now, but I still can only get 3 seconds of viewing before it buffers.  That sucks. 

Standings now...

Dubuque  8-1   19-1   ...I am enjoying this
Central     7-2   14-6   ...Dutch staying strong
BVU          6-3   11-9   ...BVU being their typical selves
Luther      5-4   13-7   ...The Norse have righted their ship
Loras       4-5   11-9   ,,,Duhawks getting close to missing their 4th straight conference tourney
Wartburg 4-5   10-10   ,,,need to dump Knight Vision for Stretch Internet
Coe          1-8     9-11   ...Don't play poorly, just not enough there to eek out close wins
Simpson   1-8     3-17   ...Ditto above, a better team than their record indicates

Saturday games...

Dubuque @ Simpson
Wartburg @ Loras
Central @ Coe
Luther @ BVU

I think I have seen one game (Wartburg-Loras) on Knight Vision that actually came off clean.  I wonder if schools will use that against them in recruiting. :D

Could Coe get Central on Saturday?  That seemed to be the story last winter as there wasn't much that seperated the top teams from the bottom teams.

The Loras-Wartburg game is big again for both teams just like it was the last week.

19-1 is a fun record to have for Dubuque at this time of the year!  It has been a long time since the Norse (and Iowa) had a record like that, although the Norse have had very good league records in the last 3-4 seasons.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2014, 01:25:32 PM
Wartburg was actually kind enough to reply to a tweet of mine.  They think it could be because we are wireless at my house instead of hard wired.  I don't have problems with other streamed content...but I am impressed they took their time to respond to me.  Showed a lot class on Warturgs part I thought. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on February 06, 2014, 10:03:57 PM
The couple of times I have tried to watch Knight Vision, it hasn't worked any better for me and I am not wireless.  Of course I am also not very techy.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 07, 2014, 11:21:34 AM
We are now wireless as well, but it really has been pretty poor whether it is now or back before I was wireless.

I am sure Wartburg has taken a complaint or two on this subject.

I always though Knight Vision was just another way to stick it to Luther fans.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 07, 2014, 01:27:27 PM
The people who need to know about the streaming issue are aware and working on solutions. (no my pay grade) If the solution is found or implemented before the end of the hoops season is unknown. I guess if you want to watch the Knights play the only way to insure not to miss anything is come to Levick.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 08, 2014, 09:53:57 PM
Bad day to be a home team...

Dubuque 86 @ Simpson 75   
Wartburg 85 @ Loras 80 
Luther 95 @ Buena Vista 85   
Central 71 @ Coe 54

Dubuque -x (RV)  9-1 20-1
Central -x            8-2 15-6
Luther -x             6-4 14-7
Buena Vista -x     6-4 11-10
Wartburg             5-5 11-10
Loras                  4-6 11-10
Coe                    1-9   9-12
Simpson             1-9   3-18

Wednesday games...

Buena Vista @ Central     
Simpson @ Wartburg     
Loras @ Dubuque     
Coe @ Luther



Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 09, 2014, 12:50:04 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 08, 2014, 09:53:57 PM
Bad day to be a home team...

Dubuque 86 @ Simpson 75   
Wartburg 85 @ Loras 80 
Luther 95 @ Buena Vista 85   
Central 71 @ Coe 54

Dubuque -x (RV)  9-1 20-1
Central -x            8-2 15-6
Luther -x             6-4 14-7
Buena Vista -x     6-4 11-10
Wartburg             5-5 11-10
Loras                  4-6 11-10
Coe                    1-9   9-12
Simpson             1-9   3-18

Wednesday games...

Buena Vista @ Central     
Simpson @ Wartburg     
Loras @ Dubuque     
Coe @ Luther

I was shocked when the Norse started out 0-4 in league play.  I was slightly less shocked that they won 6 in a row, but still it was shocking after the poor start.  To win at Storm Lake 95-85 after going 15-28 from the arc, that is the biggest shock of the season.

Big win for Wartburg to sweep Loras.

I keep waiting for Coe to go off on someone.  They get the Norse this week.  Can the Norse keep shooting well?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 09, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
So ... do the UD men move back into the Top 25 this week ... and can they stay there with the Loras rematch coming up?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 09, 2014, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on February 09, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
So ... do the UD men move back into the Top 25 this week ... and can they stay there with the Loras rematch coming up?

It is a rivalry game and Loras has lots of talent.  However, Wartburg and Luther just got done sweeping the Duhawks.  Dubuque has been better than those two and everyone else so far this season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 10, 2014, 06:00:24 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on February 09, 2014, 01:09:43 PM
So ... do the UD men move back into the Top 25 this week ... and can they stay there with the Loras rematch coming up?

http://d3hoops.com/top25/index

Yes, yes they can  ;D

UD ranked 23rd in this weeks poll. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 13, 2014, 09:47:48 AM
Oh crap!  Damn Duhawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 13, 2014, 12:09:43 PM
Duhawks beat the Spartans on a buzzer beater shot...and the sun still came up this morning...huh, I'll be darned. 

Standings...

Dubuque -x (23)  9-2 20-2
Central -x            9-2 16-6
Luther -x             6-5 14-8
Buena Vista -x     6-5 11-11
Loras                  5-6 12-10
Wartburg            5-6 11-11
Coe                    2-9 10-12
Simpson             2-9   4-18

Saturday games...

Buena Vista @ Loras     
Luther @ Wartburg 
Coe @ Simpson 
Central @ Dubuque

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 13, 2014, 12:55:44 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 12, 2014, 04:09:04 PM
1st regional rankings are out. I knew it was optimistic to get La Crosse in there

West - NCAA data sheet
1 UW-Stevens Point 20-1 20-1
2 UW-Whitewater 19-3 19-3
3 St. Thomas 18-3 18-3
4 Dubuque 17-1 20-1
5 St. Olaf 17-4 17-4
6 Whitworth 17-4 17-4
7 Pomona-Pitzer 16-4 16-6
8 Colorado College 12-5 14-6
9 Claremont-Mudd-Scripps 13-3 15-5

If Dubuque fail to win the conference tourney, they may not get a Pool C bid. Both Dubuque and St. Olaf lost last night, but I could see the Oles leapfrogging the Spartans in next week's regional rankings as losing to St. Thomas is "better" than losing to the Duhawks.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 13, 2014, 01:33:36 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 13, 2014, 12:09:43 PM
Duhawks beat the Spartans on a buzzer beater shot...and the sun still came up this morning...huh, I'll be darned. 

Standings...

Dubuque -x (23)  9-2 20-2
Central -x            9-2 16-6
Luther -x             6-5 14-8
Buena Vista -x     6-5 11-11
Loras                  5-6 12-10
Wartburg            5-6 11-11
Coe                    2-9 10-12
Simpson             2-9   4-18

Saturday games...

Buena Vista @ Loras     
Luther @ Wartburg 
Coe @ Simpson 
Central @ Dubuque

I was amazed when the Norse won this past weekend at Storm Lake. :)

It was a little of the opposite last night as Coe shot better and played better than the Norse.  Coe has had a good program, but you never quite expect a team that has won 6 in a row losing at home to a team that has lost 8 in a row. :(  I guess it helps when the head coach is healthy enough to be there and the star for the other team doesn't hit 8 from behind the arc.  That was a great performance.

Beat Wartburg on Saturday though and I will feel better again. ;D

Congrats to the winners last night.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 15, 2014, 05:07:48 PM
Okay, I had to go out and buy a new computer so I could watch the Central UD game.  When I click on the watch, nothing comes up, please tell me it is just because the game hasn't started....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on February 15, 2014, 05:58:50 PM
I watched the first half.  For some reason they shut the camera off even though I heard the announcer say there was going to be a special performance by the UD Dance Team I was looking forward to.  And one other thing, not to be a wise guy, but, it looks like UD has a really nice gym but don't most stadia try to put the most seats closest to the middle of the playing area?  Looks like the UD gym has more seats on the sides than in the middle.  It looks good from the streaming video camera but if I was there, I would rather sit at mid court than on one side or the other.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on February 15, 2014, 06:43:37 PM
I could at least get live stats the first half, now nothing.  I guess the new computer can go back.  I was able to get nothing on my old one. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 15, 2014, 09:46:12 PM
Congrats to Central for moving into 1st place.  I didn't see that happening a few weeks ago.

Luther gets both Central and Dubuque this week.  Hope it is fun in Decorah!

Congrats as well for the Loras-B.V. score of 106-100!  Coe kept going today as well in beating Simpson.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BandGetsToPlay on February 17, 2014, 03:54:32 PM
Is the IIAC a one-bid league for basketball or could Central and Dubuque both get in - if one were to win the regular season title and the other win the conference tournament?

???
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 17, 2014, 04:32:12 PM
Right now... I think it is a one-bid league.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 19, 2014, 10:52:20 PM
What a poor job by the Luther College video production of tonight's game against Central.  Most of the last 45 seconds of overtime the Luther camera was focused on the wrong side of the court as the game was up for grabs. :-[

Wow!  As bad as the Wartburg video has been, at least they can point the camera in the correct direction. :-[

To play down to the level of the video production, the Norse missed a bunch of key free throws and lost in overtime.  It was a good game to watch in the 1st half, but many of the best players for both teams did not have great 2nd half production.  Give Central credit for hitting more free throws and hitting a huge 3 to force overtime when Luther had it defended well.

What a season so far by Central.  I was also feeling pretty good about the Norse season until the end as well
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on February 20, 2014, 09:43:11 AM
What is happening in Dubuque?  They're fading out of the picture.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 20, 2014, 10:07:25 AM
Dubuque just lost again. If Whitworth wins again this weekend, they will surely jump Dubuque in next week's rankings, the last to be published. I think it's definitely a 1-team league this year for the NCAAs.




   REG      #1      #2      TEAM-RECORD      REC      CON       SCHEDULE   
   WEST      1      1      UW-Stevens Point       22-1, 22-1      WIAC      WON at Oshkosh 70-51, vs Stout 2/22   
   WEST      2      2      UW-Whitewater       21-3, 21-3      WIAC      at Eau Claire 2/22   
   WEST      3      3      St. Thomas       20-3, 20-3      MIAC      WON at Gustavus Adolphus 73-68, vs St. John's 2/22   
   WEST      5      4      St. Olaf       18-5, 18-5      MIAC      WON vs Macalester 78-54, at Bethel 2/22   
   WEST      4      5      Dubuque       17-3, 20-3      IIAC      LOST at Buena Vista 77-75   
   WEST      6      6      Whitworth       19-4, 19-4      NWC      WON vs Whitman 79-76, at Lewis and Clark 2/21   
   WEST      7      7      Pomona-Pitzer       16-5, 16-7      SCIAC      WON at La Verne 65-59, vs Occidental 2/22   
   WEST      8      8      Colorado College       14-5, 16-6      SCAC      vs University of Dallas 2/22   
   WEST      n/a      9      Augsburg      16-7, 16-7      MIAC      WON vs Carleton 75-67, at St. Mary's (MN) 2/22   
                                          
   DROP                                       
   WEST      9      n/a      C-M-S             SCIAC         
                                          
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 21, 2014, 08:25:20 AM
Great story developing out of Pella.  A team picked to finish last in the conference wins the regular season title.  And that, my friends, is why you play the games.  This will be great motivation for other teams in the future. 

I thought this might be the year my Spartans could get their 1st regular season conference title since I was a student...maybe next year.  And there still is the conference tourney.

Standings with 1 game to go...

Central -y          11-2  18-6
Dubuque -x (rv)  9-4   20-4
Luther -x            7-6   15-9
Loras -x             7-6   14-10
Buena Vista -x    7-6   12-12
Wartburg -x       6-7   12-12
Coe                   3-10 11-13
Simpson            2-11   4-20

Saturday games...

Loras @ Coe   
Simpson @ Buena Vista   
Wartburg @ Central   
Dubuque @ Luther

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2014, 02:32:51 PM
Congrats to Central on the regular season title.

Final standings...

Central -y       11-3  18-7
Dubuque -x    10-4   21-4
Loras -x           8-6   15-10
Buena Vista -x  8-6   13-12
Luther -x          7-7   15-10
Wartburg -x      7-7   13-12
Coe                  3-11 11-14
Simpson           2-12   4-21

Tuesday 1st round conference tourney games...

Wartburg @ Buena Vista     
Luther @ Loras

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2014, 03:50:25 PM
The little speakers on my work computer are old and don't work the best...so can someone tell me the name of the Luther player that sounds like the Luther announcer is calling him Uncle Thermos???  Because I'm guessing there isn't a kid on the Norse roster named Uncle Thermos  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on February 23, 2014, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 23, 2014, 03:50:25 PM
The little speakers on my work computer are old and don't work the best...so can someone tell me the name of the Luther player that sounds like the Luther announcer is calling him Uncle Thermos???  Because I'm guessing there isn't a kid on the Norse roster named Uncle Thermos  ;)

https://www.luther.edu/sports/men/basketball/roster/?id=344151

Cody Kliethermes?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 24, 2014, 07:18:22 AM
Quote from: John Gleich on February 23, 2014, 04:20:30 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 23, 2014, 03:50:25 PM
The little speakers on my work computer are old and don't work the best...so can someone tell me the name of the Luther player that sounds like the Luther announcer is calling him Uncle Thermos???  Because I'm guessing there isn't a kid on the Norse roster named Uncle Thermos  ;)

https://www.luther.edu/sports/men/basketball/roster/?id=344151

Cody Kliethermes?

That must be him.  The announcer typically just went by the last name of the players. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2014, 10:01:46 PM
#6Luther wins @ #3Loras 86-77
#4BVU beats #5Wartburg 85-83

Thursday games...

#6Luther @ #2Dubuque
#4BVU @ #1Central

Off to watch the Loras/Luther matchup...if Loras has it archived yet. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on February 25, 2014, 10:16:57 PM
BV and Wartburg traded 3's in the final minute. BV then made two ft's to force a 3 from Wartburg in the final seconds.  BV chose to foul and send Wartburg to the line, made the first missed the second, rebound came out to Wartburg 3 point shooter on left wing, shot missed at the buzzer.

Exciting finish.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 26, 2014, 12:55:52 PM
I need to also go back and watch the Luther-Loras game as I only saw the last seven minutes on the computer.  It looked like the Norse shot it well from behind the arc (12-26) and that was one of the big differences in the game.

Luther may have shot it well, but it was nothing compared to the Iowa-Minnesota game that I was at.  The Gophers were 9-11 from behind the arc in the 1st half after being something like 8-45 the previous two games.  95-89 was a little higher score than I was planning on.  Big game and a big gut check for the Hawks at Indiana on Thursday.

Can Dubuque beat Luther for the 3rd time this year?  Yes, and the Spartans should be a very solid favorite as Norris and Frazier will once again be hard to stop.

Central-B.V. should be a very good game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on February 27, 2014, 09:50:33 PM
Couple of exciting games in IIAC tonight.  I am always happy to see Central win but I feel just a little bad that BV's leading scorer was out for most of the game.  At least I got to watch the streamed game and listen to the Trevor Castle/Coach Ware call which is about as good as it gets in D3.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 27, 2014, 10:30:43 PM
Congrats to the Norse for working back from 18 down to make the IIAC title game!

Dubuque is a very good team and both teams shot the ball VERY well again.  The Norse followed up the 12-26 from behind the arc against Loras to shoot 12-27 tonight.  Dubuque was 12-22 as well.

John Androus had 22 for the Norse.  Good player just like Norris and Frazier for UD.

Central and Luther has played two high scoring, close games.  Can the 3rd game be fun to watch as well?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on February 28, 2014, 01:13:14 PM
From the Luther website:

Luther advanced to the championship game of the Iowa Conference Tournament after defeating No. 2 seed University of Dubuque 87-83 tonight in Dubuque.

Trailing by 18 points (73-55) with eight minutes remaining, the Norse put together a 27-9 run and tied the game at 82-82 with 49 ticks left on the clock. The tie was only the third and final tie of the ball game. Dubuque retook the lead with 13 seconds left, on a free throw by Andre Norris (83-82) who finished the night with 21 points. The rest of the way it was John Androus who scored the final five points, thanks to an old fashion three-point play and two free throws down the stretch.

Androus led all scorers with 22 points. Cale Austin and Michael Crocker both tallied 14, while Jake Martin and Brian Nnaoji chipped in 13 and 10 respectively. The free throw line proved to be the difference as Luther connected on 15-of-17 attempts.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on March 01, 2014, 09:57:49 PM
Two very bad calls tonight at Pella that helped to make sure that Central won in a tight contest.  Austin went up to shoot a 3 just behind the arc with the Norse down by 3, but Central fouled to send Austin to the line.  The refs got together and decided that Austin wasn't in the act of shooting, and even the Central announcers thought Austin was shooting the ball. :o

The other call was that Martin lost the ball out of bounds with the Norse down a point just a couple plays earlier.  It was right in front of the Norse bench and the camera angle.

Having said that, the IIAC refs do a better job overall and can handle the speed of the game than the Big Ten refs do in that conference. 

Central had a great season and played well for good chunks of the game tonight.  They did not need help to win the game.

Good luck to the Dutch in the NCAA playoffs.  They are a good shooting team and all three games between the Dutch and Norse were close.

I hope the refs have to watch the video of tonight's game in Coach Franzen's office. ;D

This was another fun season of IIAC hoops as I have been entertained for much of the last five seasons.  I will admit that I grew up more following IIAC football, baseball, and wrestling.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 03, 2014, 07:42:31 AM
I will echo your thoughts on the IIAC refs.  I was thinking this weekend that there wasn't a single game this season where I was upset or thought the refs favored one team over the other.  I also thought the IIAC refs were amazingly consistent throughout the season.  They called the games the same way each and every game I saw.  I thought they did an especially good job of calling hand checking (which the NCAA called for).  One thing I did notice, is that they were so conscious of calling hand checking that it seemed any time a player got the ball down low, he could have 3 opponents hanging on him and wouldn't get a shooting foul called.  But, it was consistent and called the same way for both teams all season.  I agree, the IIAC refs seem better at calling a game than the Big Ten refs. 

Congrats to Central.  I love a 8th place preseason ranking winning it all.  Provides inspiration to all teams out there.  Make some noise in the playoffs!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on March 04, 2014, 12:03:00 AM
I agree as I say go Dutch, go Hawks, and let's have some real spring weather this year!  Last spring wasn't as fun as previous IIAC seasons on the ball diamond.

St. Olaf beat St. Thomas in the MIAC final.  I would have loved to see Norse vs. Oles in the NCAA Basketball tourney.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Floyd in Iowa City on March 05, 2014, 11:43:52 PM
2013-2014 All-Iowa Conference Men's Basketball

Most Valuable Player - Matt Greenfield, Central

Defensive Player of the Year - Nick Wuebker, Buena Vista

Coach of the Year - Craig Douma, Central

First Team
Cole Darrow # Buena Vista Jr.
Kevin Kaerwer Central Sr.
Andrew Wirth £ & Coe Sr.
Andre Norris # Dubuque So.
Aaron Schueller Loras Jr.
John Androus £ $ Luther Sr.
Eddie Diemer # Wartburg Sr.

Second Team
Nick Wuebker Buena Vista Jr.
Chris Frazier ¥ % Dubuque Sr.
Gage Heffernan Dubuque Jr.
Alex Cline Loras Sr. 
Nathaniel Smith # Loras Jr. 
Jake Martin Luther Jr.
Charles Swain & Simpson Jr.

Honorable Mention
Nick Clark Buena Vista So.
Nile Eckermann Central So. 
Colby Taylor Central Fr.
Thomas Perkins Wartburg Sr.

Previous Honors
$ — 2012-2013 IIAC Defensive Player of the Year
% — 2012-2013 All-Conference First Team
# — 2012-2013 All-Conference Second Team
& — 2012-2013 Honorable Mention
£ — 2011-2012 All-Conference Second Team
¥ — 2011-2012 Honorable Mention
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on March 07, 2014, 06:45:10 PM
Central was smokin in the first half of their first round play-off game.  45-28 Dutch at the break.  Keep it up!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 07, 2014, 10:02:21 PM
I am sorry I have not been posting much this season, but sometimes you just don't want to open your mouth too much when your team was picked to finish last in the conference.  Do not want to jinx the magic.  All the teams in the conference could have won on any given night, that is how close the conference was from top to bottom this year.  Last year the Dutch seemed to lose so many really close games, this year we won the majority of the close ones and almost every game was way too close.  All the teams should be really proud that they gave such good games, or beat, Central who made it through the first round of the playoffs.  I never would have believed it with one of the first guys off the bench not dressing due to injury.
 
DD, tell your wife that Mitch B. Is dressing as a replacement for Yaw.  He didn't get in tonight, but we may need more bench play tomorrow night.

Luther fans, I thought it was a 3 pt attempt also.  That said, if you were at the game or had audio, I am sure you heard the "conservative" Central students yelling bull ____ pucky a number of times in the first half leading to the reading of the good sportsmanship mantra at the half.  That was a bad call, but they went both ways.  The timing of that one just made it stand out.

Very proud of this Central squad picked to finish dead last and beating very good BV and Luther teams 3 times to get to the playoffs.  That was no small accomplishment.  Marion is giving Stevens Point a good game, whoever we play tomorrow we will have our work cut out for us.  Never ranked, no votes Central going up against the #1team or the team that knocks them off.  We have about as much chance as a team picked to finish last winning in the first round game, maybe less.   ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 09:00:18 PM
Dutch down by 4 at the half.  Very loud Pointers crowd and band.  Sounds like the drums are right behind the dutch radio announcers.  Impressed that Central has played with them as well as they have.  Not sure if it is just the announcers or if it is that bad, but sounds like refs could be intimidated by home crowd.  They have way more free throws even though announcers talk abonut Dutch plzayers being knockecd down with no  fouls called on Pointers.  If streaming worked for me, I could see or myself, but I have to go only on announcers.

Pointers come out hot early in 2nd half, Dutch down by 9 now, hope it doesn't get ugly!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 08, 2014, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 09:00:18 PM
Dutch down by 4 at the half.  Very loud Pointers crowd and band.  Sounds like the drums are right behind the dutch radio announcers.  Impressed that Central has played with them as well as they have.  Not sure if it is just the announcers or if it is that bad, but sounds like refs could be intimidated by home crowd.  They have way more free throws even though announcers talk abonut Dutch plzayers being knockecd down with no  fouls called on Pointers.  If streaming worked for me, I could see or myself, but I have to go only on announcers.

Pointers come out hot early in 2nd half, Dutch down by 9 now, hope it doesn't get ugly!

Stevens Point's band is behind the baseline on SP's bench's side. The Central radio guys are at midcourt at the scorer's table (it extends the full length between the two benches and has room for media).

When Quandt gets loud, it gets loud... likely close to 2300 there I'd say from what I can see on the video, near the capacity of about 2750.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 09:11:22 PM
Pointers have shot 16 free throw attempts, Central 4 attempts.  Things that make you go huh...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 09:18:10 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on March 08, 2014, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 09:00:18 PM
Dutch down by 4 at the half.  Very loud Pointers crowd and band.  Sounds like the drums are right behind the dutch radio announcers.  Impressed that Central has played with them as well as they have.  Not sure if it is just the announcers or if it is that bad, but sounds like refs could be intimidated by home crowd.  They have way more free throws even though announcers talk abonut Dutch plzayers being knockecd down with no  fouls called on Pointers.  If streaming worked for me, I could see or myself, but I have to go only on announcers.

Pointers come out hot early in 2nd half, Dutch down by 9 now, hope it doesn't get ugly!

Stevens Point's band is behind the baseline on SP's bench's side. The Central radio guys are at midcourt at the scorer's table (it extends the full length between the two benches and has room for media).

When Quandt gets loud, it gets loud... likely close to 2300 there I'd say from what I can see on the video, near the capacity of about 2750.

Thanks for passing that on.  Sounds like a great band, just makes it hard to hear.  Then again, maybe I don't want tp.   Things are heading south real fast.  But still not bad for a team picked to finish last in our conference and with the sixth man injured.  Nice job by Central seniors to make it a year to remember.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 08, 2014, 09:42:27 PM
Quote from: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 09:18:10 PM
Quote from: John Gleich on March 08, 2014, 09:06:07 PM
Quote from: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 09:00:18 PM
Dutch down by 4 at the half.  Very loud Pointers crowd and band.  Sounds like the drums are right behind the dutch radio announcers.  Impressed that Central has played with them as well as they have.  Not sure if it is just the announcers or if it is that bad, but sounds like refs could be intimidated by home crowd.  They have way more free throws even though announcers talk abonut Dutch plzayers being knockecd down with no  fouls called on Pointers.  If streaming worked for me, I could see or myself, but I have to go only on announcers.

Pointers come out hot early in 2nd half, Dutch down by 9 now, hope it doesn't get ugly!

Stevens Point's band is behind the baseline on SP's bench's side. The Central radio guys are at midcourt at the scorer's table (it extends the full length between the two benches and has room for media).

When Quandt gets loud, it gets loud... likely close to 2300 there I'd say from what I can see on the video, near the capacity of about 2750.

Thanks for passing that on.  Sounds like a great band, just makes it hard to hear.  Then again, maybe I don't want tp.   Things are heading south real fast.  But still not bad for a team picked to finish last in our conference and with the sixth man injured.  Nice job by Central seniors to make it a year to remember.

Amen to that... that's just a great story. Central played really well and shot better than UWSP. Point hasn't shot that poorly all season... they only shot < 40% twice until this game, and Central's D has lots to do with that.

Great game by the Dutch

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 09:55:09 PM
AllI can say is WOW, what a season!  Could not be more proud of this dutch team.  They hang with the #1 team, falling by 6 on their floor.  Incredible job Dutch!  Way to step it up and show the naysayers.  Bet they don't pick us for last next year.  Nile and Colby had great examples for providing future leadership.  Greenfield had an amazing year and congratulations on 1000 pts.  Nice thing about this team is that they really played as a team, and you never knew which player was going to step up on any given night.  Unselfish play all season, whoever was hot got the ball.  Great way to be successful!

I am one proud Dutch fan tonight, falling behind and that loud crowd, you battled back and never stopped giving your best.  Man I hate to see this season over.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 10:03:54 PM
John, thanks for the kind words about the Dutch.  From last place last year to first place this year was a real Cinderella season, but made that way by a lot of hard work.  It was fun to watch this year.  I was glad to see the Pointers not crush us, per the playoffs preview.  A year ago it would have happened, that we hung that well was a testament to how hard these players and coaches have worked.  I am glad they can hold their heads high.

Good luck to the Pointers the rest of the way.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frodotwo on March 09, 2014, 12:42:03 AM
Quote from: Klompen on March 08, 2014, 10:03:54 PM
John, thanks for the kind words about the Dutch.  From last place last year to first place this year was a real Cinderella season, but made that way by a lot of hard work.  It was fun to watch this year.  I was glad to see the Pointers not crush us, per the playoffs preview.  A year ago it would have happened, that we hung that well was a testament to how hard these players and coaches have worked.  I am glad they can hold their heads high.

Good luck to the Pointers the rest of the way.

I've seen all but 4 of the Pointers games in person this year and no one shut down their inside game like Central did tonight. Their length made penetration extremely difficult and took Tyler Tillema out of the game, as did the defense on Hass by Eckermann. I was impressed with Greenfield, for a tall skinny kid he played very well and held his own against a more physical player in Heuer.  The defense Point played on Kaerwer was a key, but he still managed NINE assists, wow!  Kudos to the Dutch on giving #1 all it could handle on our home court, where we beat visitors by an average of 17 per game and only the second time below 10 all year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 09, 2014, 12:55:13 AM
Quote from: frodotwo on March 09, 2014, 12:42:03 AM
Kudos to the Dutch on giving #1 all it could handle on our home court, where we beat visitors by an average of 17 per game and only the second time below 10 all year.

... The other time being Friday night...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on March 09, 2014, 11:33:56 PM
Thanks Pointers fans, nobody outside of Central fans expected much this year.  Not even us dedicated Central fans really believed what we got from this team.  I still fear waking up to find I just dreamed this year up.  I knew the Dutch seemed to keep getting better as the season progressed, but even with that I wasn't sure the UWSP game wouldn't be a blowout.  I think Central played their best two games of the year on your floor.  I am so glad they got the chance to play you.  Only one team gets to finish the playoffs with a win, so if you have to lose, Central and Marion can both go out with their heads held high.  How much better can a loss be than to the #1 ranked team, on their floor, against a really loud and huge fan base and band making a dynamic playing environment and going down to the wire losing by 5pts or less.  Just win it all and make our men feel even better.

Greenfield is a tall skinny kid, but he has been holding his own for the better part of the last 4 years against more physical players.  Central seems to have a knack for attracting the tall skinny guys, Central fans will remember Zach Cooper and Clint Driftmeier being a couple of beanpoles ahead of him, but dang if they didn't all hold their own against the bigger guys.

This team gave the younger players such a great example of what can be accomplished.  I don't know that I have ever been so satisfied after a loss.  Way to go Dutch.

Sorry to see the Pointers are not on the football schedule, those were some great games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: badgerwarhawk on March 10, 2014, 09:58:09 AM
Pat Brown is an outstanding basketball official and you guys are really lucky to have him working in your league.  He calls a good game and his demeanor is cool, calm and collected under any circumstances.  I really like him and wish he was working in our league. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 15, 2014, 10:55:03 PM
WOW.  All I can say is WOW, WOW, WOW.

Okay that isn't all I can say.  Central graduates two leading scorers from last year's team with Kevin K. and Matt G. gone.  Colby Taylor spends most of the first game on the bench with foul trouble, two other players from last year's team were still playing football today and the Dutch not just set a new school record for points scored in a single game.  They SHATTERED it.  Dutch win 132-118 against what appeared to be a pretty decent Nebraska Wesleyan team.  Holy smokes, is this going to be a fun season or what!  Well it is for the only Dutch fan on the board anyway.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 17, 2014, 07:51:34 AM
Hey Klompen, with our teams football seasons over with, we get to cheer on basketball now  ;D

Dubuque wins a tourney in Wisconsin over the weekend with a 79-69 win over Concordia WI on Saturday and 51-33 over Carroll yesterday.

Dubuque graduated two 1,000 point scorers from last years team in Chris Frazier and Mitch Michaelis, so that will be interesting to see how they deal with that.  Not the tallest team I have seen, so should be interesting to see how the team develops.  I trust in how Coach Sieverding has recruited and built this team up.  Should be a fun winter of basketball. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 18, 2014, 08:53:10 PM
Hey DD, sorry we couldn't have better weather to welcome your Spartans to Pella.  It was cold!  The ball spots were terrible all afternoon because the players kept sliding an extra few yards.  Central was better than I expected them to be.  A good sign for next year.

Basketball looks to be picking up better than they left off.  They are ahead by 3 in their much lower scoring game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warthog on November 23, 2014, 04:00:46 PM
Is the IIAC trying to kill mens basketball in the conference?  Looking at the schedule I see Wartburg and Luther are playing both their contests against one another on Wednesday nights.

I wish they would bring back the good old days when there would be Saturday night contests.  The old Knights Gymnasium would be packed to the roof when the Norse came to Waverly.  It would be hot. It would be loud. It would be crazy. It would be exciting college basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 24, 2014, 08:23:10 AM
Quote from: warthog on November 23, 2014, 04:00:46 PM
Is the IIAC trying to kill mens basketball in the conference?  Looking at the schedule I see Wartburg and Luther are playing both their contests against one another on Wednesday nights.

I wish they would bring back the good old days when there would be Saturday night contests.  The old Knights Gymnasium would be packed to the roof when the Norse came to Waverly.  It would be hot. It would be loud. It would be crazy. It would be exciting college basketball.

Friday night/Saturday night were great for fans...probably not so great for the players.

Going back to the late 80's to early 90's basketball had travelling fan bases and packed gyms, while football had less of a game day experience.  Today you get 400-500 travelling fans for football and packed stadiums, while basketball plays to half full gyms.  Quite the turn around.  Maybe a few more games on KCRG and some promotion...and making sure rivalry games are played on Saturdays could bring back the good ole days for basketball.  I still enjoy following basketball.  We still make sure to make it to Waverly for the UD/Wartburg game (if it's played on a Saturday), occasionally make it to Cedar Rapids for the UD/Coe game (if it's on a Saturday).     

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 24, 2014, 09:01:27 PM
I miss the Saturday night games too, but agree it is probably better for the traveling team and fans.  I do wish they would get away from the rival games being on week nights.  That really takes away from the fun of the atmosphere.  It could be a great way to keep more kids around campus, or involved in campus activities on the weekends.  Those week night rivalry games have Al Dorenkamp stamped all over them.  He is no longer at Central, let the fun return!

We look like we have the potential to be a great team this year.  It would be nice to pack the stands again. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 25, 2014, 08:03:41 AM
I would still like to see Saturday "night" games instead of the 4pm contests.  I do think it's better for the athletes that it's Wednesday/Saturday now instead of the Friday/Saturday we had in the past. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 29, 2014, 04:09:17 PM
Dubuque putting $2.7million into an expansion of the Stoltz Sports Center to add seating capacity for basketball, volleyball, and wrestling.

http://www.thonline.com/news/tri-state/article_9e74757a-77f4-11e4-bbde-6b3227d4ead0.html

From the article...

"Student seating capacity is planned to be increased with a 7,500-square-foot addition to the Stoltz Sports Center. Work on the $2.7 million addition is expected to begin in January."

UD is also adding a Physician Assistant program and putting a $3.3million addition onto their science center.  From the article...


A second addition on campus would house a physician assistant program.


"The $3.3 million, 17,000-square-foot addition to the University Science Center is anticipated to start in the spring. It would occur on the back of the building in what is now a parking lot. More parking is proposed for near the Chlapaty Recreation & Wellness Center."


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 03, 2014, 07:47:40 PM
Wow, that's a nice chunk of change.  Makes big changes for the future of the school.  Good deal.

Well, Coach Douma has made some good changes.  One I heartily approve of is bumping the schedule to some big time competition.  It helps that I also approve of his recruiting ability.  Gone are Faith Baptist and AIB.  Thank you very much!  We may lose to Wisc-LC and Augustana (tonight's huge challenge, but at least it will get us ready for the conference instead of padding the won/loss record.  I much prefer a coach who believes in the players he recruited.  I'm looking forward to seeing how we do against the D3 Hoops #1 team.  It may be a long night or it may show real potential for this team.  We will find out starting within the hour.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 03, 2014, 10:29:42 PM
Woohoo!  Dutch beat Augustana 89-78!  Started out just a couple baskets behind at the very beginning, but we got the lead I think by the time we hit 10 points and lead a good portion of the game by 6 or more.  They made a nice run at the start of the second half, but just like the first half, we found our stride and really controlled the game for the majority of it. 

Students started chanting over rated in the last minute, my thought wasn't that they were over rated, but that we were under rated.  Well, we aren't rated at all, or even mentioned, but this should open some eyes, and drop Augustana like a rock, but the truth is they are a good team.  Tonight Central was just the better team. 

Mitch Boerm got in just before the half, mostly to keep our big guys from getting a last second foul, but you could immediately tell where the football players were.  They started chanting Mitch, Mitch, Mitch.  Sam Markham, who lettered on varsity last year and had an outstanding football season was listed on the JV team.  I don't want to take anything away from the guys that play his position on varsity, but he is one of those "natural born athletes" and I hope this is a temporary thing until he gets out of football mode and back in basketball mode. 

Congratulations to the under rated Dutch.  Great job guys, you played focused tonight and it paid off.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2014, 10:44:10 PM
My wife will claim it was her babysitting skills when Mitchell Boerm was little that made him into the basketball player he is today  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 04, 2014, 06:39:44 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 03, 2014, 10:29:42 PMStudents started chanting over rated in the last minute

Dumbest chant in college basketball. By chanting "Overrated!" you're downplaying the accomplishment of your own team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 04, 2014, 08:41:28 PM
I could not agree more on how dumb it is to say the other team is over rated.  I thought it looked like they had a very good team and stand by my theory that we are under rated.  Understandable this early in the year, but if they happened to over look us, no other team will.  The game really did make a statement, because except for the first couple of minutes of each half, Central did control the game.  The nice thing for Central fans, is that they are also a fairly young team with a deep bench full of talent.  Still hoping Sam Markham gets shifted up to varsity where he played last year.  Maybe he is able to get more playing time on JV for now while he is still catching up from not joining the team until after football.  Hopefully come conference he will be back on the varsity and getting playing time.  But Douma did an excellent job of recruiting the young players are stepping up and pushing for the playing time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 07, 2014, 06:52:11 PM
Dutch had another easy one last night winning 109-50 and hitting 20 threes.  Keep it up Dutch!!!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 19, 2014, 10:42:25 PM
Dutch hit the skids, not sure what went wrong for them.  So I am going to plant my tongue firmly in cheek and say that it must be the injury to their most vocal fan--me, of course.  I broke a bone in my foot and the Dutch start a losing streak.  Come on guys, figure it out and fast.

I guess I'm not the problem.  Live and win by the 3, live and die by the 3.  Dutch need to get hot from beyond the arc, or learn when to settle for 2 or the old fashioned 3.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on December 19, 2014, 11:25:31 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 19, 2014, 10:42:25 PM
Live and win by the 3, live and die by the 3.

Here's the box score: http://websterathletics.com/boxscore.aspx?path=mbball&id=3410 , 12-41 on three pointers is definitely dying by the three. It's tough to take that long bus ride for a game at the end of the semester. Watching from the stands it seemed like Central didn't have a lot of energy for the first 30+ minutes and they had problems with Webster's zone. I hope things turn back around for your team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 31, 2014, 06:16:01 PM
Thanks, I hope so too, but things did not turn around today.  Today they decided to live or die by getting the ball inside only.  Is there something wrong with mixing things up?  It is the football equivalent of only passing every play or only running every play.  Either way, it makes things better for the other team. 

Grandview was beatable, but we didn't play like we did at the start of the season.  I don't know why we hit a slump, but we have and I hope we find a way out of it for the conference season.  I thought this team had what it took to run through the conference and do well in the playoffs, showing last year wasn't a fluke, but they have lost their momentum and need to figure out how to get it back.

 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 07, 2015, 09:44:50 PM
What's with the UD live stream, DD?  I keep getting kicked out and every time I finally get it back UD has scored 6 pts on the Dutch.  Do you have a lucky snow blower?   :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2015, 09:55:20 PM
Yeah, it was doing that for the womens game, so I turned it off.  When I checked in early on the mens game it was 6-0 to the Dutch, so I turned it off again. 

I'm not getting any audio here, so not really sure what is going on their end. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 07, 2015, 10:09:13 PM
I am hoping Central settles into a nice and successful steady game the second half.  It was on then off the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 07, 2015, 10:16:00 PM
Central needs to do a better job of protecting the basketball, way too many turnovers.  It would also help if one player didn't have to be responsible for half the scoring.  Good job by Taylor, but Eckermann needs to step up, as do the other starters.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 07, 2015, 10:30:39 PM
Turnovers are killing the Dutch right now.  Cold shooting the last few minutes is not helping either.  The problem with one person scoring half the points is they know who to pressure.  Too bad they figured it out.   :(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on January 07, 2015, 10:45:45 PM
Looks like the Dutch turned as icy as UD started out.  It will make for a long ride home, a cold streak, missed free throws and turnovers were killers.  But congratulations to Colby Taylor on a great night.  Not sure what happened to the Dutch confidence that they had when nobody expected anything of them.  Makes me wonder if they might be playing better had they lost to Augustana.  This is a good Dutch team, but they don't seem to be able to handle the expectations/pressure winning that game put on them.  Still wish Markham would get some varsity time.  Not sure what happened there, seemed like he was a contributor last year and he sure had a breakout season in football. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2015, 10:49:50 PM
To be fair to Central, it's hard to start conference play on the road, and this is a talented Dubuque team.  I consider them the favorite, though they weren't voted that way by the coaches  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2015, 10:58:33 PM
I'd like to see a replay of the dunk near the end by Andre Norris.  That would have made the old guard at UD of Dave Crawford, and Damon Rogers and all the others stand up and cheer.  That was a monster!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 15, 2015, 06:46:40 PM
With 31 points in last nights victory @ Luther.  Jr Andre Norris becomes the 23rd member of the 1,000 point club at UD.  Last year, seniors Mitch Michaelis and Chris Frazier had become the 21st and 22nd members of the 1,000 point club. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 05, 2015, 07:21:14 AM
Coming down the home stretch with 5 games left on the schedule.

Buena Vista  8-1 15-5
Coe  7-2 13-7
Dubuque  6-3 16-4
Wartburg  5-4 12-8
Central  3-6 10-10
Loras  3-6 8-12
Luther  3-6 7-13
Simpson  1-8 6-14

Games this weekend...

Simpson @ Central   
Coe @ Dubuque     
Loras @ Wartburg     
Buena Vista @ Luther 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 05, 2015, 09:41:08 AM
Wartburg beat Coe 86-70 Wednesday. Total TEAM effort by the Knights.

Coe made 8-16 3's in first half and were down 9. Coe cut lead to 3 with less about 4 min to go, Wartburg made 14 straight free throws in last 2:00 seal it. 23-24 ft for the game.

Box Score
http://www.go-knights.net/custompages/201415MBBStats/24coem.htm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 11, 2015, 02:55:08 PM
Regional Rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/11/first-regional-rankings-released-today/)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 11, 2015, 11:52:46 PM
BVU beats Wartburg
Dubuque wins @ Simpson
Central wins @ Coe
Loras beats Luther

3 games left in the regular season...

BVU 9-2 16-6
DBQ 8-3 18-4
Coe 7-4 13-9
Warts 6-5 13-9
Central 5-6 12-10
Loras 4-7 9-13
Luther 4-7 9-13
Simpson 1-10 6-16

Remaining games...

Central @ Luther
Dubuque @ Wartburg
Simpson @ BVU
Coe @ Loras

Coe @ Simpson
BVU @ Dubuque
Loras @ Central
Wartburg @ Luther

Luther @ Dubuque
Loras @ Simpson
BVU @ Coe
Wartburg @ Central
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 14, 2015, 10:37:55 PM
1 week left in the regular season. 

Standings...

BVU 10-2 17-6
DBQ 9-3 19-4
Coe 8-4 14-9
Central 6-6 13-10
Wartburg 6-6 13-10
Loras 4-8 9-14
Luther 4-8 8-15
Simpson 1-11 6-17

Remaining games

BVU @ Dubuque
Loras @ Central
Coe @ Simpson
Wartburg @ Luther

Loras @ Simpson
Luther @ Dubuque
Wartburg @ Central
BVU @ Coe
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 22, 2015, 09:12:19 AM
Regular season is finished, conference tourney coming up.

Final Standings...

Buena Vista -y  11-3 18-7
Coe -x  10-4 16-9
Dubuque -x (RV)  10-4 20-5
Central -x  8-6 15-10
Wartburg -x  6-8 13-12
Luther -x  5-9 9-16
Loras  5-9 10-15
Simpson  1-13 6-19


Tuesday2.24.15 Men's Basketball

Wartburg @ Central 7:00 p.m.     
Luther @ Dubuque 7:00 p.m. 

Thursday2.26.15 Men's Basketball

Central/Wartburg winner @ Buena Vista 7:00 p.m.
Dubuque/Luther winner @ Coe 7:00 p.m. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2015, 02:00:04 PM
Final public men's basketball regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/ (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2015/02/25/final-public-ncaa-regional-rankings-released/)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 27, 2015, 12:18:17 PM
Despite the loss, BV should stay where they are with Whitman losing and Whitworth's SOS really bad. I don't see Dubuque jumping above BV. BV fans have to hope Dubuque wins the Pool A.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2015, 10:07:42 PM
Dubuque beat Wartburg 81-73 for the conference tourney title. 

Dubuque is 23-5 overall
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 02, 2015, 05:44:17 PM
Simpson Coach Zander steps down.
41-88 in 5 years.

http://www.simpsonathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150302nb62x8
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 02, 2015, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 22, 2015, 09:12:19 AM
Regular season is finished, conference tourney coming up.

Final Standings...

Buena Vista -y  11-3 18-7
Coe -x  10-4 16-9
Dubuque -x (RV)  10-4 20-5
Central -x  8-6 15-10
Wartburg -x  6-8 13-12
Luther -x  5-9 9-16
Loras  5-9 10-15
Simpson  1-13 6-19
Preseason Coaches Poll
BV
Dubuque
Loras
Luther
Central
Wartburg
Coe
Simpson

Under estimated  Coe, (Wartburg for making Tournament Finals ?)
Over estimated Loras & Luther
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 02, 2015, 09:11:53 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on March 02, 2015, 05:44:17 PM
Simpson Coach Zander steps down.
41-88 in 5 years.

http://www.simpsonathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2014-15/releases/20150302nb62x8

Simpson basketball the past few years to me seemed a lot like Cornell football in their last few years in the conference.  They were competitive almost every conference game.  The wins were just hard to come by.  The Storm seemed like a lot better team than what their win total indicated they were.  I wish Coach Zander the best. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 02, 2015, 09:28:24 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on March 02, 2015, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 22, 2015, 09:12:19 AM
Regular season is finished, conference tourney coming up.

Final Standings...

Buena Vista -y  11-3 18-7
Coe -x  10-4 16-9
Dubuque -x (RV)  10-4 20-5
Central -x  8-6 15-10
Wartburg -x  6-8 13-12
Luther -x  5-9 9-16
Loras  5-9 10-15
Simpson  1-13 6-19
Preseason Coaches Poll
BV
Dubuque
Loras
Luther
Central
Wartburg
Coe
Simpson

Under estimated  Coe, (Wartburg for making Tournament Finals ?)
Over estimated Loras & Luther

Coe was under estimated and Loras was over estimated.  Luther and Wartburg? Yeah, I can see that I guess  ;)

Loras seems to be that team that gets put at the top of preseason polls out of habit/reputation.  Coach Gorton has been there 8 years.  He took over a team that had won the conference and tourney titles the year before.  In his 1st year at Loras they finished 2nd in the conference and then won the tourney.  But now they have had losing records in conference play 3 of the last 4 years.  it will be interesting to see the preseason polls next year.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 02, 2015, 09:43:26 PM
If you consider the modern era of IIAC basketball as the year the tourney started...plus that is the 1st season Coe was a conference member.  The conference and tourney titles stand thus...

School - conference - tourney
BVU : 8 - 7
Central : 2 - 2
Coe : 2 - 0
Dubuque : 0 - 2
Loras : 1 - 2
Luther : 2 - 1
Simpson : 0 - 0
Wartburg : 3 - 1
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 03, 2015, 01:15:46 PM
At UWSP 03/06 

Illinois Wesleyan v Dubuque at 5:00 PM All seats GA

UWSP v Concordia (WI) at 8:00 PM All seats reserved

Both games have separate tickets ($8 apiece for adults, $4 for college students and younger), but tickets to both games can be purchased for $12.


http://athletics.uwsp.edu/news/2015/3/2/MBB_0302153351.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: stag44 on March 03, 2015, 04:27:29 PM
Just finished up putting together PER metrics and published the top 100 players in the nation this year. I'll narrow this to include just the NCAA eligible players later this week.

It does seem that the figures skew slightly higher than I would have expected but that could be attributed to the larger variance between players in D3 vs the NBA.

http://stag44.blogspot.com/2015/03/ncaa-division-3-per-rankings-march-2.html
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 04, 2015, 05:47:30 PM
Illinois Wesleyan (19-8, 10-4 CCIW) vs Dubuque (23-5, 10-4 IIAC), 5:00pm Friday at UW-Stevens Point...

Illinois Wesleyan (19-7, 10-4)
G - Dylan Overstreet, 6-3/180 Sr. (11.6 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 4.7 apg)
G - Bryce Dolan, 6-0/165 Jr. (8.2 ppg, 2.1 rpg, 2.2 apg)
G - Pat Sodemann, 6-3/195 Sr. (8.8 ppg, 2.6 rpg)
F - Mike Marietti, 6-8/245 Jr. (7.5 ppg, 4.0 rpg)
C - Trevor Seibring, 6-8/235 So. (9.2 ppg, 5.9 rpg)

G - Jordan Nelson, 6-1/170 Sr. (10.8 ppg)
F - Ryan Coyle, 6-6/208 Jr. (7.8 ppg, 4.4 rpg)
F - Alec Bausch, 6-6/210 So. (5.6 ppg, 4.7 rpg)
G - Joel Pennington, 6-0/175 Jr. (4.9 ppg)
G - Brady Rose, 6-2/170 Fr. (4.8 ppg)

Dubuque (23-5, 10-4 IIAC)
G - Lucas Ware, 6-1/175 Sr. (10.2 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 2.0 apg)
G - Jacob Mohlis, 6-2/160 So. (8.2 ppg, 2.6 rpg)
G - Brandon Ferguson, 6-3/180 Sr. (10.2 ppg, 3.9 rpg)
F - Gage Heffernan, 6-4/195, Sr. (14.4 ppg, 6.6 rpg)
F - Andre Norris, 6-7/185 Jr. (20.4 ppg, 8.7 rpg)

G - Kain Arthofer, 6-3/175 So. (4.7 ppg)
F - Tanner Cooke, 6-4/200 Sr. (3.5 ppg)
F - Tyler Ware, 6-6/215 Sr. (2.8 ppg)


Live video - http://portal.stretchinternet.com/uwsp/

Live stats - http://athletics.uwsp.edu/sports/2012/11/11/MBB_1111125949.aspx

WJBC Radio - http://portal.stretchinternet.com/wjbc/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 05, 2015, 07:33:13 AM
Thanks for the lineups and the links Titan Q
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 05, 2015, 01:04:51 PM
2014-2015 All-Iowa Conference Men's Basketball

Coach of the Year - Brian Van Haaften, Buena Vista

Most Valuable Player    School    Year    Hometown / High School
Andre Norris # $    Dubuque    Jr.    Plainfield, Ill. / Plainfield Central

Defensive Player of the Year    School    Year    Hometown / High School
Brandon Ferguson    Dubuque    Sr.    Gurnee, Ill. / Warren Township

First Team    School    Year    Hometown / High School
Kennedy Drey    Buena Vista    So.    Schaller, Iowa / Storm Lake St. Mary's
Nile Eckermann £    Central    Jr.    Oxford, Iowa / Clear Creek-Amana
Matt Daoust    Coe    Sr.    Mound, Minn. / Mound Westonka
Gage Heffernan %    Dubuque    Sr.    Dubuque, Iowa / Hempstead
Nathaniel Smith # %    Loras    Sr.    Lincoln, Ill. / Lincoln
Jake Martin %    Luther    Sr.    Aurora, Ill. / West Chicago
Jordan Cannon    Wartburg    So.    Bolingbrook, Ill. / Downers Grove South
Second Team    School    Year    Hometown / High School
Nick Clark £    Buena Vista    Jr.    Fort Dodge, Iowa / St. Edmond
Cole Darrow # $    Buena Vista    Sr.    Glenwood, Iowa / Glenwood
Colby Taylor £    Central    So.    Creston, Iowa / Creston
Jacob Timm    Coe    Jr.    Mount Vernon, Iowa / Mount Vernon
JT Vonderhaar    Coe    Sr.    Bettendorf, Iowa / Davenport Assumption
Lucas Ware    Dubuque    Sr.    Platteville, Wis. / Platteville
Clay Cook    Wartburg    Sr.    West Branch, Iowa / West Branch
Honorable Mention    School    Year    Hometown / High School
Alex Savage    Buena Vista    Sr.    Des Moines, Iowa / West Des Moines Dowling
Kyle Newendorp    Central    Sr.    Pella, Iowa / Pella
Mirko Grcic    Loras    Jr.    Lake Zurich, Ill. / Lake Zurich
Charles Swain & %    Simpson    Sr.    Austin, Texas / Summit Christian Academy
Nick Webber    Wartburg    So.    Peosta, Iowa / Western Dubuque
Previous Honors
$ — 2013-2014 All-Conference First Team
% — 2013-2014 All-Conference Second Team
£ — 2013-2014 Honorable Mention
# — 2012-2013 All-Conference Second Team
& — 2012-2013 Honorable Mention
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: John Gleich on March 06, 2015, 03:29:08 PM
For the UWSP pod tonight, some data:



   Team      Off Eff      Def Eff      Poss/gm      PPG      Def PPG   
   UWSP      114.6      96.5      115.0      65.8      55.6   
   CUW      107.0      97.1      142.5      76.3      69.1   
                                    
   IWU      112.4      96.3      139.8      78.7      67.3   
   Dub      107.2      91.7      144.8      77.8      66.3   

The Off/Def efficiency takes Points/100 possessions and the possessions are compiled by this algorithm:  Poss = FGA - ORB + T.O. + (.475*FTA)                  




   Team      A/Gm      TO/Gm      A/TO Ratio      St/Gm   
   UWSP      11.7      8.2      1.44      6.7   
   Opp      9.8      12.0      0.81      4.1   
                              
   CUW      12.6      12.1      1.04      10.3   
   Opp      13.9      16.9      0.82      6.1   
                              
   IWU      17.5      12.5      1.40      5.0   
   Opp      10.7      12.1      0.88      5.7   
                              
   Dub      12.1      12.6      0.96      9.4   
   Opp      9.9      14.9      0.66      5.4   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 18, 2015, 01:18:17 PM
Saying goodbye to the senior classes in the conference. 

This is how the senior classes did in conference play over their time...

School - record - titles - tourney titles
Buena Vista : 41-17  2-1
Dubuque : 40-18  0-2
Coe : 33-25  1-0
Luther : 33-25  1-0
Central : 32-26  1-1
Wartburg : 26-32  0-0
Loras  : 20-38  0-0
Simpson : 14-44  0-0
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on July 03, 2015, 10:28:37 AM
Fun NBA draft prank here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsvaQR9hKDI&feature=youtu.be)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 06, 2015, 03:22:24 PM
NCAA attendance stats are out.

http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2015.pdf (http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2015.pdf)

Dubuque was 10th at 1,070
Buena Vista was 15th at 952

The IIAC was 5th at a 603 average

Going back to the late 80's and early 90's you would often see sell outs around the conference for basketball.  Feels kind of strange to see attendance around 50% or more lower than 25 years ago. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dutch Calvinist Reformer on July 20, 2015, 03:51:35 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan Bombshell ... doesn't sound like they gave the GPAC any heads-up that they were looking to switch to the IIAC:

http://www.gpacsports.com/article/3374.php#.Va1RGPlViko

GPAC STATEMENT ON NEBRASKA WESLEYAN'S MEMBERSHIP ANNOUNCEMENT
GPAC - Mon, Jul. 20, 2015 at 2:10 PM
The Great Plains Athletic Conference (GPAC) was informed on Monday (July 20) of a 2pm press conference today where Nebraska Wesleyan University in Lincoln, Nebraska, announced that they have accepted membership in the Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (IIAC), an affiliated conference of NCAA Division III.  Their membership will begin in 2016-17.

"We were informed by the NWU administration of this decision to change conference affiliation to the Iowa Conference at 9:30am on Monday and prior to that time had no knowledge of their intentions to depart the GPAC," said GPAC Commissioner Corey Westra in a statement on Monday.

"The GPAC member institutions will move forward as leaders in the NAIA and will continue to work diligently, just as we have since our inception in 2000, to offer the best athletic and academic offerings to our more than 5,000 student-athletes," added Westra.  "We are a strong conference and have a great group of institutions that will work together as we continue to offer character driven intercollegiate athletics in the NAIA."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 20, 2015, 04:54:57 PM
They should read Twitter.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 20, 2015, 06:38:05 PM
Hooray!!!!... I've always been impressed with Nebraska Wesleyan's performance in D3hoops... Even more so when I saw them in person when they played at Webster.... a great add... would love to see a couple of other NAIA midwest schools make the same move....whether they went to Iowa conf, MWC, or SLIAC...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 20, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on July 20, 2015, 06:38:05 PM
Hooray!!!!... I've always been impressed with Nebraska Wesleyan's performance in D3hoops... Even more so when I saw them in person when they played at Webster.... a great add... would love to see a couple of other NAIA midwest schools make the same move....whether they went to Iowa conf, MWC, or SLIAC...

When the NWU women played at Webster in Nov 2013 I talked to an NWU parent who said the school was evaluating where it's athletic program would best fit in and one of the considerations was whether or not they felt they could continue to offer athletic scholarships if they stayed with the NAIA. Looks like they opted not to do the necessary work to raise the money to continue offering scholarships. I agree with hopefan that this is a good fit for D3 and hopefully for the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 20, 2015, 08:09:32 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 20, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
Quote from: hopefan on July 20, 2015, 06:38:05 PM
Hooray!!!!... I've always been impressed with Nebraska Wesleyan's performance in D3hoops... Even more so when I saw them in person when they played at Webster.... a great add... would love to see a couple of other NAIA midwest schools make the same move....whether they went to Iowa conf, MWC, or SLIAC...

When the NWU women played at Webster in Nov 2013 I talked to an NWU parent who said the school was evaluating where it's athletic program would best fit in and one of the considerations was whether or not they felt they could continue to offer athletic scholarships if they stayed with the NAIA. Looks like they opted not to do the necessary work to raise the money to continue offering scholarships. I agree with hopefan that this is a good fit for D3 and hopefully for the IIAC.

No fair...when I lived in Webster from '68-'82 Webster "College" did not have sports  >:(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on July 20, 2015, 08:22:39 PM
NWU's NAIA affiliation:

NWU's NCAA affiliation:
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 21, 2015, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: hopefan on July 20, 2015, 06:38:05 PM
Hooray!!!!... I've always been impressed with Nebraska Wesleyan's performance in D3hoops...

It's been a while, though. NebWes hasn't appeared in an D3 tourney since 2001, and last season's 15-11 campaign was the best that the Prairie Wolves have posted since that 2000-01 season when they went 18-8.

Quote from: hopefan on July 20, 2015, 06:38:05 PMEven more so when I saw them in person when they played at Webster.... a great add... would love to see a couple of other NAIA midwest schools make the same move....whether they went to Iowa conf, MWC, or SLIAC...

The big difference -- and it can't be overstated -- is that NWU is already an NCAA D3 member. As a dual NCAA/NAIA affiliate, NebWes won't have to go through the D3 application process and the four-year provisional pipeline. As long as there are no scholarship players on the rosters in question, the Prairie Wolves are immediately eligible for D3 tournament play in every sport; all the athletic department has to do is declare for D3 tournament eligibility at the beginning of the season (and then either achieve the qualification standards in terms of scheduling D3 opponents during the regular season or else apply for a waiver from the NCAA). All of the other NAIA schools, of course, would have to go through the application rigmarole and the four-year provisional period in order to do what NebWes can do with the snap of a finger.

What I'm not clear on, however, because it hasn't been spelled out by either the press releases or the media, is the status of the sports in which NWU has previously declared for NAIA vis-a-vis scholarship athletes. One of the purposes of a provisional period in terms of new member institutions transitioning to D3 is to flush scholarship athletes out of the system while allowing the school to honor already-promised scholarship commitments. But NWU is not a new member institution; it's been affiliated with D3 in good standing ever since the division was created by the NCAA in 1973. Since Nebraska Wesleyan is sui generis with regard to being a dual NCAA/NAIA affiliate that is moving its NAIA sports in which it offers scholies to NCAA D3 and dropping those scholies, what sort of rules cover the presence of former scholarship Prairie Wolves athletes who give up those scholies and stick with the program after the move? Are there any rules that cover that?

Quote from: 5 Words or Less on July 20, 2015, 08:22:39 PM
NWU's NAIA affiliation:

  • Football
  • Baseball
  • Softball
  • Tennis

NWU's NCAA affiliation:

  • Track & Field
  • Volleyball
  • Soccer
  • Basketball
  • Swimming
  • Wrestling (begins 2016)

Technically speaking, those are declarations, rather than affiliations, since an affiliation is an institutional function rather than a sport-by-sport function, and Nebraska Wesleyan is a dual-affiliation school (and will remain one until next July, when it jettisons its NAIA affiliation). It may sound like hairsplitting, but it's a distinction with a difference. As I said to hopefan, the fact that NWU is already affiliated with NCAA D3 affects NWU's ability to transition to D3 quickly in the sports in which it currently competes in NAIA.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 21, 2015, 12:56:14 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 21, 2015, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: hopefan on July 20, 2015, 06:38:05 PM
Hooray!!!!... I've always been impressed with Nebraska Wesleyan's performance in D3hoops...

It's been a while, though. NebWes hasn't appeared in an D3 tourney since 2001, and last season's 15-11 campaign was the best that the Prairie Wolves have posted since that 2000-01 season when they went 18-8.



Ahhh.... BUT.... Nebraska Wesleyan is 60-38 vs D3 in that time span, albeit against more weak teams than strong.... still, I perceive that they would be very competitive in the mid to low level midwest conferences (MWC, SLIAC, IIAC, UMAC, Nathcon)... maybe not so vs MIAC or CCIW or WIAC
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 21, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Schools that were dual members of the NAIA and Division III always have had to follow the more restrictive rule set. In the case of scholarships, that was obviously our rules, so NWU should not have any scholarship athletes.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on July 21, 2015, 03:02:31 PM
Greg I think Nebraska Wesleyan was a non-scholarship offering NAIA member, otherwise they couldn't hold dual D3 membership.

In fact their scholarship page says so......https://www.nebrwesleyan.edu/scholarships-and-financial-aid/scholarships

Athletic Scholarships at NWU
Nebraska Wesleyan is affiliated with both the NAIA and the NCAA Division III, the only school in the nation with dual affiliation. Since there are no NCAA Division III schools within three hours of Lincoln (and only a handful within six hours), NAIA membership helps us manage our travel budget and missed class time. However, we follow the NCAA Division III philosophy of not awarding athletic scholarships, consistent with the idea that student-athletes are not treated differently from the other members of the student body.



Pat beat me by like 1 minute. :(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 21, 2015, 03:22:43 PM
Sorry!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 21, 2015, 06:56:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 21, 2015, 03:01:23 PM
Schools that were dual members of the NAIA and Division III always have had to follow the more restrictive rule set. In the case of scholarships, that was obviously our rules, so NWU should not have any scholarship athletes.

Quote from: sac on July 21, 2015, 03:02:31 PM
Greg I think Nebraska Wesleyan was a non-scholarship offering NAIA member, otherwise they couldn't hold dual D3 membership.

In fact their scholarship page says so......https://www.nebrwesleyan.edu/scholarships-and-financial-aid/scholarships

Athletic Scholarships at NWU
Nebraska Wesleyan is affiliated with both the NAIA and the NCAA Division III, the only school in the nation with dual affiliation. Since there are no NCAA Division III schools within three hours of Lincoln (and only a handful within six hours), NAIA membership helps us manage our travel budget and missed class time. However, we follow the NCAA Division III philosophy of not awarding athletic scholarships, consistent with the idea that student-athletes are not treated differently from the other members of the student body.



Pat beat me by like 1 minute. :(

Thanks for that link, sac, and it does make sense. What Pat said about dual members having to abide by D3's more restrictive rules is in keeping with what I know about Carroll and Illinois Wesleyan when they were dual affiliates that chose to compete in NAIA in the late '70s (and, in IWU's case, into the early '80s).

The reason why I asked the question is because of this post:

Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 20, 2015, 07:38:40 PMWhen the NWU women played at Webster in Nov 2013 I talked to an NWU parent who said the school was evaluating where it's athletic program would best fit in and one of the considerations was whether or not they felt they could continue to offer athletic scholarships if they stayed with the NAIA. Looks like they opted not to do the necessary work to raise the money to continue offering scholarships. I agree with hopefan that this is a good fit for D3 and hopefully for the IIAC.

This made me think that the old strictures that kept dual members from offering scholarships back during the '70s and early '80s might no longer be in place, as long as any specific program that declared for D3 maintained D3's non-scholarship rules. Now, it's certainly possible that the NWU parent to whom y_jack spoke may not have known what he or she was talking about with regard to NWU offering scholies for certain sports. For one thing, I've had any number of conversations with parents in the stands over the years who are not clued in as to how their kid's school operates. For another, although NWU women's basketball didn't offer scholarships, it's certainly plausible that the parent of a NWU women's basketball player could be under the misapprehension that Prairie Wolves athletes in other sports got scholarship money.

Nevertheless, since it's been 30 years since this was relevant to a CCIW fan -- and because it's a really obscure issue to begin with -- I figured that it was entirely possible that the rules had changed, and that y_jack's conversation partner might not have been full of hooey. But, since it's right there in black and white on the NWU website, which means that said NWU women's basketball parent is full of hooey, I'll go back to my original point that it's a completely different matter to talk about Nebraska Wesleyan joining the IIAC (or the SLIAC, or the UMAC, etc.) than it is to talk about Hastings or Doane or Briar Cliff or Dordt joining the IIAC.

Quote from: hopefan on July 21, 2015, 12:56:14 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 21, 2015, 11:38:32 AM
Quote from: hopefan on July 20, 2015, 06:38:05 PM
Hooray!!!!... I've always been impressed with Nebraska Wesleyan's performance in D3hoops...

It's been a while, though. NebWes hasn't appeared in an D3 tourney since 2001, and last season's 15-11 campaign was the best that the Prairie Wolves have posted since that 2000-01 season when they went 18-8.

Ahhh.... BUT.... Nebraska Wesleyan is 60-38 vs D3 in that time span, albeit against more weak teams than strong....

Boy, is that putting it mildly. The vast majority of those wins were piled up against the likes of Dallas, Austin, UC-Santa Cruz, Colorado College, etc. Over the course of the 14 seasons in question, there wasn't a single NWU win over a team that finished the season in question with a winning record that also happened to be a member of a mid-level or upper-level D3 league. The closest the Prairie Wolves came was a win in 2007-08 over a Concordia-Moorhead team that finished 13-13. (I'm actually much more impressed by a three-point overtime loss by NWU to Whitworth two seasons before that.)

Then again, the Prairie Wolves didn't play many teams that fit any reasonable D3 criteria for being judged average-to-good. As we all know, Nebraska Wesleyan is a legitimate geographical orphan by D3 standards (in fact, I'm surprised that more IIAC types aren't already griping about the distances that their teams and fans are going to have to travel to get to Lincoln and back). Add to that the fact that the Prairie Wolves play in a very large league (the GPAC) that thus requires a lot of conference games, and it's no wonder that NWU has always had to take potluck when it comes to scheduling D3 opponents.

But ... yeah. That 60-38 record does not impress me much at all.

Quote from: hopefan on July 21, 2015, 12:56:14 PMstill, I perceive that they would be very competitive in the mid to low level midwest conferences (MWC, SLIAC, IIAC, UMAC, Nathcon)... maybe not so vs MIAC or CCIW or WIAC

Probably true, although the IIAC is really the only league that matters as far as NWU's competitiveness is concerned. And the interesting thing about that is that the Prairie Wolves are going to be a completely unknown quantity as far as the IIAC is concerned, because I've gotta believe that there is little or no recruiting overlap. The student-athletes that NWU doesn't get from Nebraska it gets from Colorado, whereas the current IIAC schools focus upon Iowa kids (naturally) and, to a lesser degree, Illinois kids.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 21, 2015, 11:16:58 PM
Sager's post is too long to quote the whole thing so I picked out this one sentence so I could clarify my comment:

"Now, it's certainly possible that the NWU parent to whom y_jack spoke may not have known what he or she was talking about with regard to NWU offering scholies for certain sports."

Actually, I think the parent was very well informed and I may have misspoken when I used the phrase "continue to offer athletic scholarships". It's just as likely that the parent said they would have to decide whether or not to offer scholarships and I was assuming, because of their NAIA affiliation, that they already had some scholarship athletes. Based on the information above, it seems clear that NWU could not have been offering scholarships and I just got it wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hopefan on July 21, 2015, 11:29:18 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 21, 2015, 11:16:58 PM
Sager's post is too long to quote the whole thing so I picked out this one sentence so I could clarify my comment:

"Now, it's certainly possible that the NWU parent to whom y_jack spoke may not have known what he or she was talking about with regard to NWU offering scholies for certain sports."

Actually, I think the parent was very well informed and I may have misspoken when I used the phrase "continue to offer athletic scholarships". It's just as likely that the parent said they would have to decide whether or not to offer scholarships and I was assuming, because of their NAIA affiliation, that they already had some scholarship athletes. Based on the information above, it seems clear that NWU could not have been offering scholarships and I just got it wrong.

Yjack, for convenience sake, you really need how to use the quote function.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on July 22, 2015, 12:10:19 AM
Luther's MBB has NWU connections   
http://www.luther.edu/sports/men/basketball/coaches/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on July 22, 2015, 08:43:54 AM
Quote from: hopefan on July 21, 2015, 11:29:18 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 21, 2015, 11:16:58 PM
Sager's post is too long to quote the whole thing so I picked out this one sentence so I could clarify my comment:

"Now, it's certainly possible that the NWU parent to whom y_jack spoke may not have known what he or she was talking about with regard to NWU offering scholies for certain sports."

Actually, I think the parent was very well informed and I may have misspoken when I used the phrase "continue to offer athletic scholarships". It's just as likely that the parent said they would have to decide whether or not to offer scholarships and I was assuming, because of their NAIA affiliation, that they already had some scholarship athletes. Based on the information above, it seems clear that NWU could not have been offering scholarships and I just got it wrong.

Yjack, for convenience sake, you really need how to use the quote function.  ;D ;D ;D

I think I know how to use the quote function, though there may be some nuances to it that I'm not acquainted with. I do know that I could have quoted his entire, very lengthy post with all its embedded quotes from other people and then removed everything but the part I wanted to focus on. Instead I took what for me was a quicker path and did a copy and paste of one sentence. Not sure if you are pulling my leg or not.  With you those grinning faces are sometimes hard to interpret.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 22, 2015, 11:08:38 AM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 21, 2015, 11:16:58 PM
Sager's post is too long to quote the whole thing

You're on to me. Lengthy posts are a great self-defense mechanism ... ;)

Quote from: y_jack_lok on July 22, 2015, 08:43:54 AMNot sure if you are pulling my leg or not.  With you those grinning faces are sometimes hard to interpret.  ::)

... as are emoticons. :D

Quote from: 5 Words or Less on July 22, 2015, 12:10:19 AM
Luther's MBB has NWU connections   
http://www.luther.edu/sports/men/basketball/coaches/

  • Mark Franzen, Head Men's Basketball Coach ... Spent two years as head coach at Nebraska Wesleyan University (2004-06) prior to taking over the Norse program
  • Cam Schuknecht, Assistant Basketball Coach/Legends Center Director ... Joined Luther staff after spending eight years as head coach at Nebraska Wesleyan University.  In 2013-14 he led NWU to best record and highest conference finish since 2000-01.  He was an assistant coach at Nebraska Wesleyan (2004-06)

Those are very interesting connections. I still tend to doubt that there will be recruiting overlap, though. Luther doesn't have any current players that are from Nebraska or Colorado.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on July 23, 2015, 01:09:51 AM
Nebraska Wesleyan's current travel distances:
Briar Cliff – 154
College of St. Mary – 55
Concordia – 30
Dakota Wesleyan – 306
Doane – 28
Dordt – 197
Hastings – 107
Midland – 51
Morningside – 149
Mount Marty – 181
Northwestern – 192
11 schools = 1,450 total miles
Average = 132 miles

Nebraska Wesleyan's future travel distances:
Buena Vista – 360
Central – 235
Coe – 320
Dubuque – 390
Loras – 390
Luther – 390
Simpson – 210
Wartburg – 330
8 schools = 2,625 miles
Average = 328 miles
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 23, 2015, 11:19:34 AM
Thanks for that breakdown, 5WOL. That's a handy reference tool for this board.

I'm guessing that the IIAC will try to accommodate NWU by doing some creative things with scheduling in sports where that is possible (e.g., Friday/Saturday or Saturday/Sunday road games for the Prairie Wolves in men's and women's basketball).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on July 23, 2015, 03:38:18 PM
Not that it matters... but Nebraska Wesleyan has usually had to decide on whether it would have it's sports eligible for NCAA post-season as far ahead as May prior to an upcoming season... not right before a season is to start. There have been later deadlines for some sports, but from what I have been told over the years - the decision especially for basketball was usually made six months in advance of the season starting.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2015, 09:58:08 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on July 23, 2015, 01:09:51 AM

Nebraska Wesleyan's future travel distances:
Buena Vista – 360
Central – 235
Coe – 320
Dubuque – 390
Loras – 390
Luther – 390
Simpson – 210
Wartburg – 330
8 schools = 2,625 miles
Average = 328 miles

Google says 60 miles to BVU, not 360.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 24, 2015, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2015, 09:58:08 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on July 23, 2015, 01:09:51 AM

Nebraska Wesleyan's future travel distances:
Buena Vista – 360
Central – 235
Coe – 320
Dubuque – 390
Loras – 390
Luther – 390
Simpson – 210
Wartburg – 330
8 schools = 2,625 miles
Average = 328 miles

Google says 60 miles to BVU, not 360.

Actually, Google Maps says you're both wrong. The shortest route between Lincoln and Storm Lake -- which is basically Interstates 80, 680, and 29, US-59, and IA-39 -- totals 173 miles and requires three hours and seven minutes of travel time.

That would reduce Nebraska Wesleyan's average IIAC travel distance to 305 miles, which is still quite a haul.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2015, 02:13:01 PM
Oh, Google's map picked out BVU's campus in Council Bluffs, Iowa. #facepalm
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 24, 2015, 02:19:39 PM
That must be where BVU holds its classes for its Casino and Greyhound Track Management major.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on July 24, 2015, 02:58:36 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 24, 2015, 02:19:39 PM
That must be where BVU holds its classes for its Casino and Greyhound Track Management major.

And that major is in danger of being discontinued or at least downgraded to a Casino major only as, under a bill known as Iowa Senate File 2362, greyhound racing at Bluffs Run Park is scheduled to end on 12/31/15. 🐕 🌅
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on July 24, 2015, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 24, 2015, 10:53:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2015, 09:58:08 AM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on July 23, 2015, 01:09:51 AM

Nebraska Wesleyan's future travel distances:
Buena Vista – 360
Central – 235
Coe – 320
Dubuque – 390
Loras – 390
Luther – 390
Simpson – 210
Wartburg – 330
8 schools = 2,625 miles
Average = 328 miles

Google says 60 miles to BVU, not 360.

Actually, Google Maps says you're both wrong. The shortest route between Lincoln and Storm Lake -- which is basically Interstates 80, 680, and 29, US-59, and IA-39 -- totals 173 miles and requires three hours and seven minutes of travel time.

That would reduce Nebraska Wesleyan's average IIAC travel distance to 305 miles, which is still quite a haul.

In my old Nebraska Wesleyan days, we used to play BVU on a fairly regular basis. I somehow remember the trip taking approximately 3 hours over mostly sparsely populated terrain. The other thing I remember was the BVU fans. This is due to the fact that, in addition to being among the most obnoxiously vociferous fans we faced, they were also quite possibly the most reprobate. Some of the epithets they hurled in our direction even included unflattering comments relative to our parentage. On one occasion, in a game in which we were under over the line verbal harassment from the opening tip throughout, one of my teammates made a two-thirds length of the court last second shot to win the game. Our locker room was at the opposite end of the gym, and during our long walk to the locker room, we gave the stunned BVU crowd a middle finger, #1, salute every step of the way.
Of course that was back in the 1930s when the NWU Prairie Wolves were still known as the Plainsmen and BV University was still BV College. I'm sure the Beaver fans have, by now, learned to channel their aggressive drives into socially accepted patterns of behavior.  :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on July 25, 2015, 12:17:40 AM
Fixed It

Quote from: 5 Words or Less on July 23, 2015, 01:09:51 AM
Nebraska Wesleyan's current travel distances:
Briar Cliff – 154
College of St. Mary – 55
Concordia – 30
Dakota Wesleyan – 306
Doane – 28
Dordt – 197
Hastings – 107
Midland – 51
Morningside – 149
Mount Marty – 181
Northwestern – 192
11 schools = 1,450 total miles
Average = 132 miles

Nebraska Wesleyan's future travel distances:
Buena Vista – 360 ... via scenic route through SD & MN  :D
Central – 235
Coe – 320
Dubuque – 390
Loras – 390
Luther – 390
Simpson – 210
Wartburg – 330
8 schools = 2,625 miles
Average = 328 miles
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on July 26, 2015, 10:30:33 AM
You have an interesting slant on the meaning of the word "scenic".  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on July 26, 2015, 05:35:17 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on July 26, 2015, 10:30:33 AM
You have an interesting slant on the meaning of the word "scenic".  ;)

Indeed!  There are areas in both SD and MN that are as scenic as anywhere in the country, but they couldn't be reached within the specified 360 miles! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on September 05, 2015, 11:19:31 PM
Luther installs 8'x16' video display

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COAB6APUwAAIcyh.jpg) (https://pbs.twimg.com/media/COAB6ARUkAAhrss.jpg)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 06, 2015, 11:26:31 AM
Hopefully no wayward shots hit that video board and leave a basketball sized blotch on the screen  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 5 Words or Less on October 14, 2015, 09:47:13 PM
Goodbye March Madness?
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-10-14/ncaa-march-madness-college-basketball-schedule-football-dan-gavitt?eadid=SOC/Twi/SNMain
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 16, 2015, 04:46:43 PM
Quote from: 5 Words or Less on October 14, 2015, 09:47:13 PM
Goodbye March Madness?
http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-basketball/story/2015-10-14/ncaa-march-madness-college-basketball-schedule-football-dan-gavitt?eadid=SOC/Twi/SNMain

C'mon man...the NCAA should know us old guys don't like change  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 24, 2015, 11:42:13 AM
Initial roster is out for Dubuque.  It's early, we could see 1 or 2 kids throw in the towel before the season begins.

Freshman - 13
Sophomores - 5
Juniors - 5
Seniors - 5

Iowa - 12
Illinois - 10
Wisconsin - 3
Minnesota - 1
Missouri - 1
New Mexico - 1
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 08, 2015, 11:15:11 PM
A little over 2 weeks later and it looks like 3 freshman realized D3 is darn good basketball and walked away from the game.

UD roster now shows...

Freshman - 10
Sophomores - 5
Juniors - 5
Seniors - 5

Iowa - 10
Illinois - 10
Wisconsin - 2
Minnesota - 1
Missouri - 1
New Mexico - 1
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 12, 2015, 01:56:36 PM
"The off-season is over. The basketball season has arrived, but it can't start without Hoopsville hitting the air! Tune in tonight as Dave talks to the two preseason number one teams, touches base with a major coaching change, checks in with the men's basketball National Committee chair, and previews the Northeast Region.

Show starts at 7PM ET! www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/nov12 (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/nov12)

Guests include:
- Grey Giovanine, head coach for #1 Augustana men
- Jeff Hans, head coach for #1 Thomas More women
- Brian Van Haaften, men's basketball committee chair and head coach for Buena Vista
- Trevor Woodruff, head coach for Scranton women
- Matt Noonan, Northeast Regional Reporter"

You can also catch up on the Hoopsville New Rules Special we did and published yesterday. We chatted with:
- Bill Raleigh, Southwestern Assistant Athletic Director and former men's basketball coach along with being on the men's rules committee
- Brad Duckworth, Alverno Athletic Director and women's head coach along with being the current chair of the women's rules committee
- Tim Fitzpatrick, Coast Guard Athletic Director

You can watch or listen to that show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/rules-special (http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/rules-special)

AND BIG NEWS... Hoopsville has added Sunday shows to this year's November and December schedule. That means the show will air Thursdays and Sundays from the beginning of the season until the end. Each show will air at 7pm ET (unless noted) with a few shows in November and December being canceled due to holidays or other responsibilities (i.e. Gagliari Trophy and Stagg Bowl Week).

Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 18, 2015, 08:54:02 AM
Wartburg 105-91 winners @ Grinnell.
22-4 run to end the game. Knights held Grinnell to 33 2nd half points.

http://go-knights.net/news/2015/11/17/MBB_1117155926.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 25, 2015, 09:43:56 PM
Dubuque hung in there against UNI.  UNI wins 83-63
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 07, 2016, 04:05:33 PM
1st night of conference play is in the books...

Coe  68 @ Loras  75   
Simpson  89 @ Buena Vista  77   
Wartburg  65 @ Dubuque  74   
Central  88 @ Luther  74

Central  1-0 10-2 
Dubuque  1-0 8-4
Buena Vista  1-0 6-6 
Loras  1-0 6-6 
Simpson  0-1 7-5 
Wartburg  0-1 7-5
Coe  0-1 5-7 
Luther  0-1 1-11

What happened to Luther?  1-11 overall???

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwumichigander on January 07, 2016, 06:14:37 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on September 06, 2015, 11:26:31 AM
Hopefully no wayward shots hit that video board and leave a basketball sized blotch on the screen  ;)
Oh, you got to believe some opponent will "misfire" or launch an "errant" football type pass and hit the big video board!  It is just too tempting a target that screams "Hit Me"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 09, 2016, 06:51:27 PM
1st week of conference play is in the books.

Saturday games...
Loras 76-75 BVU
Dubuque 83-47 Luther
Simpson 69-63 Coe
Wartburg 81-78 Central

Standings...

Dubuque 2-0  9-4
Loras  2-0  7-6
Central 1-1 10-3
Simpson 1-1 8-5
Wartburg 1-1 8-5
Buena Vista 1-1 6-7
Coe 0-2 5-8
Luther 0-2  1-12

Wednesday games...

Coe @ BVU
Loras @ Simpson
Dubuque @ Central
Wartburg @ Luther
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 28, 2016, 06:19:00 PM
There are several turning points during the Division III basketball season and we have arrived at yet another. The time in the season when many conferences start heading into the second half of round-robin play.

Thursday night on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave McHugh talks to some of the teams who are leading their conferences after the first half of play and looking to keep up their mometum. Some have also emerged as an unexpected frontrunner - a theme of the season so far. McHugh also talks to a coach who has one of the more interesting coaching challenges in the country - leading a service academy program with height, practice time, and other restrictions.

Hoopsville hits the air at 7:00 PM ET and you can watch the show here: www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/jan28. We will also have more information on next week's marathon show along with the third-annual fundraising efforts.

Guests include (in order):
- John Krikorian, No. 9 Christopher Newport men's coach
- Chad Shutler, No. 21 Bluffton women's coach
- Kevin Jaskiewicz, Coast Guard men's coach (NABC Coach's Corner)
- Marianne O'Connor-Ermi, St. John Fisher women's coach
- Brad Bjorkgren, Simpson men's coach

You can also tune into the podcast(s) after the show has aired:
SoundCloud: www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville (http://www.soundcloud.com/hoopsville)
iTunes: https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087 (https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/hoopsville/id1059517087)

And don't forget you can always interact with us:
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2016, 04:47:33 PM
For the third consecutive year, Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com) will air for 12 hours as the regular season enters the final four weeks. Dave McHugh will chat with coaches, administrators, student-athletes, and others involved in Division III basketball from around the country. Other guests will include those who have Division III roots or appreciate the division and the game along with the student-athletes who play the sport.

Hoopsville will air from 10 a.m. to 10 p.m. (and maybe later) on Thursday, February 4 live from the WBCA/NABC Studio. You can see what guests are scheduled, get more information, and watch the show here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2015-16/feb4

You can also read the press release about the show: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/hoopsville-marathon-2016

Here is the guest list as we speak. All times are Eastern and subject to change. Additional guests to be added if and when necessary:


   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
   
TimeGuestSchool
10:15amConnie TilleySt. Norbert (WBB) - WBCA Center Court
10:40amJamie PurdyPeidmont (WBB)
11:00amKeri CarolloUW-Whitewater (WBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
11:20amBrent PollariSaint Mary's (Minn.) (WBB)
11:40amKent MadsenNo. 21 Wheaton (Ill.) (WBB)
12:00pmRussell LoydRose-Hulman (MBB)
12:20pmKevin BroderickNazareth (MBB)
12:40pmJustin ScottArcadia (MBB)
1:00pmSam HargravesNo. 12 Alma (MBB)
1:20pmLenny ReichMount Union (SID)
1:40pmMaureen WebsterClarkson (WBB)
2:00pmBetsy WitmanYork (Pa.) (WBB)
2:20pmSara LeeDenison (WBB)
2:40pmKlay KneuppelWisconsin Lutheran (MBB)
3:00pmBrian Van HaaftenBuena Vista (MBB) - Nat'l Committee Chair
3:30pmSydney MossNo. 1 Thomas More (WBB)
3:45pmAaron RousellBucknell (WBB) - former Chicago coach
4:00pmTim ShanahanStaten Island (WBB)
4:20Pat CunninghamTrinity (Texas) (MBB) - NABC Coach's Corner
4:50pmBubba SmithSewanee (MBB)
5:15pmBen StrongFormer Guilford All-American
5:30pmKevin ConnorsESPN SportsCenter Anchor - Ithaca alumnus
6:00pmKristen DowlingClaremont-Mudd-Scripps (WBB)
6:20pmAllison ColemanSage (WBB)
6:40pmLandry KosmalskiSwarthmore (MBB)
7:00pmDave NilandNo. 23 Penn State-Behrend (MBB)
7:20pmAaron GallettaLasell (MBB)
7:40pmJohn BaronGwynedd-Mercy (MBB)
8:00pm
8:20pm
8:40pmMelissa HodgdonWheaton (Mass.) (WBB)
9:00pmG.P. GromackiNo. 2 Amherst (WBB)
9:20pmJames Wagner
9:40pmHAPPY HOURFree-for-all of calls, tweets, and fun!

We hope to get at least the full show on a podcast, or several podcast, during the on Friday. You can find it here:
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Don't forget you can always interact with us:
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And a reminder the Hoopsville Fundraising Project has begun yet again. Please consider helping us cover Division III basketball the way it deserves to be covered. If you can not donate, please don't worry about - we understand. At least share the campaign with anyone you think might be interested: http://igg.me/at/hoopsville-fundraiser/x/6029509

Also, if you know any advertisers interested in promoting their company or products on the show, send them our way: hoopsville@d3hoops.com

Thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 10, 2016, 01:59:02 PM
Regional Rankings: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/10/first-2016-regional-rankings-released-today/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 14, 2016, 07:50:28 AM
Dubuque clinches the outright conference title with 2 games to go.

Standings...

Dubuque 10-2  17-6
Simpson  7-5   14-9
Loras   7-5   12-11
Central 6-6   15-8
Wartburg 6-6  13-10
B Vista   4-8   9-14
Coe   4-8   9-14
Luther 4-8   5-18

Dubuque, Simpson, and Loras have locked up places in the conference tourney.  All other teams are still in the hunt for a spot in the tourney. 

Remaining games...

Wednesday 2/17
Dubuque @ Wartburg
BVU @ Simpson
Luther @ Coe
Central @ Loras

Saturday 2/20
Luther @ Wartburg
Central @ Dubuque
Simpson @ Loras
BVU @ Coe
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 22, 2016, 01:40:49 PM
How did the coaches do with pre-season rankings
Standings   School       Pre-season    +/-
1      Dubuque         1       =
2      Wartburg         3       +1
3      Simpson         8       +5
4      Loras            6       +2
5      Central         4      -1
6      BV            2      -4
7      Coe            5      -2
8      Luther         7      -1
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 24, 2016, 02:20:59 PM
Final public regional rankings are out: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2016/02/24/third-ncaa-regional-ranking/
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 01, 2016, 01:34:00 AM
Congrats to Central winning the tourney title and a trip to the NCAA's

If you are a Nebraska Wesleyan fan and are curious about the IIAC, here is the last half decade results. 
Conference record - conference titles - tourney titles

Dubuque 51-21  (1) (2)
Buena V  46-26  (2) (1)
Central   39-33  (1) (2)
Coe Coll  38-34 (1)
Luther    37-35  (1)
Wartburg 34-38
Loras    28-44
Simpson  22-50
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 02, 2016, 08:34:28 AM
Loras has parted ways with HC Greg Gorton.

http://www.duhawks.com/news/2016/3/1/loras-announces-change-in-leadership-to-mens-basketball-program.aspx (http://www.duhawks.com/news/2016/3/1/loras-announces-change-in-leadership-to-mens-basketball-program.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 01, 2016, 09:03:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2016, 08:34:28 AM
Loras has parted ways with HC Greg Gorton.

http://www.duhawks.com/news/2016/3/1/loras-announces-change-in-leadership-to-mens-basketball-program.aspx (http://www.duhawks.com/news/2016/3/1/loras-announces-change-in-leadership-to-mens-basketball-program.aspx)

Finalist annnounced
http://duhawks.com/news/2016/3/31/loras-announces-head-mens-basketball-coach-finalists.aspx
Finalist of Conf. interest - "Jason Steege, current assistant coach at Wartburg College, is a 10 year coaching veteran, all of which coming with the Knights. In his six seasons as the assistant coach at Wartburg, Steege has helped lead the Knights to three appearances in the Iowa Conference Tournament Championship games. A graduate of Wartburg College, Steege earned his bachelor's degree in business administration and will complete his master's degree program in physical education at the University of Northern Iowa this spring."
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 28, 2016, 06:51:30 PM
As we have known for a few weeks now, former Elmhurst (CCIW) assistant Chris Martin was selected as the new Loras head man. I hear Coach Martin is currently in the process of conducting interviews for his assistant(s) position(s).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 02, 2016, 10:58:51 AM
Andre Norris looking at pro options.

http://www.thonline.com/sports/local_sports/article_0093dddb-79b7-5d9d-b618-2e691bbf7da0.html (http://www.thonline.com/sports/local_sports/article_0093dddb-79b7-5d9d-b618-2e691bbf7da0.html)

From the article...

Since graduating, Norris has been competing in the Midwest Basketball League — a start-up minor league development league that helps low profile players get noticed on bigger stages. He's playing against players who competed at Division I schools and professionally overseas.

Last week, the MBL named Norris an All-Star. He's the leading scorer on the Cedar Valley CourtKings (based in Waterloo, Iowa).

Norris definitely has a future in pro basketball. The question, for now, is: Where?

"I think this is exactly what Andre needed to do," said Gary Rima, CourtKings general manager and owner. He added the MBL is intended to move players on to higher levels. It's intended for players like Norris — players who didn't get a lot of exposure in college.

"He needed to get himself in a league like this," Rima said. "He has excelled and shown that he can play with these guys."


As for the pros, the calls are coming, Rima said. Norris had to hire an agent, and he's getting serious looks from pro teams in China, Japan and Italy, among others. Rima said Norris has much-desired versatility — he has the height to play in the post, the range of a perimeter player and is a threat on both ends of the court.

"The biggest thing I like to see in a player is when the competition you face gets tougher and better, that you have the ability to elevate your game," Rima said. "He's come into a league that has players that played overseas, in the NCAA tournament. Andre Norris has outplayed them. He's played better and better.

"I think he's the complete player."


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 21, 2016, 09:53:22 AM
Well it's hoops time. Wartburg off to 3-0 start.

126-100 win over Grinnell. Knights shot and made 1 3. A shot clock beater.

90-83 win over Marian
83-72 win over #21 UW-O to win Buzz Levick Tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 24, 2016, 11:23:06 AM
Central also off to a great start at 4-0.  We played Grinnell last night and just like with Wartburg it was a high scoring affair with
Central winning 143-128.  Central struggled with ball handling last night, ending with 28 turnovers.  Seemed like they have a fast paced plan for passing the ball quickly down court for quick scores, but clearly sending signals where the ball was going and having passes intercepted over and over again.  They need to clean that up.  Central rarely took 3 point shots, getting the ball under the basket repeatedly and while they set a record for shooting percentage, it still seemed like they missed a lot of easy shots.  Hard to imagine what the score might have been.  In spite of my complaints, the Dutch look to have a lot of talent this year and a lot of new players getting time.  As the season progresses they have the potential to be one of Central's best.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on November 30, 2016, 10:56:16 PM
As stated as the season progresses they have the potential to be one of Central's best.  But they clearly did not live up to their potential tonight.  I had the game on as I was doing other things, so I did not watch it start to finish, but from what I saw tonight, they looked flat, had no sense of urgency and were not well prepared for tonight's game.  I want to say the Kohawks were the far better team tonight, and they were the better team tonight, no doubt about it.  But neither team actually looked good in my opinion.  Then again, I only watched off and on.  From the parts I saw, I was glad to have gotten some other things accomplished.  A disappointing start for the Dutch, but you get out of it what you put into it and they didn't put forth the effort tonight. 

I will say, I am not a big fan of the coaching attitude of let them play and work it out on the court that seems to be the trend at Central and maybe other schools.  In the old days there was the call time out, try to break momentum, talk to the players, etc.  That seems to be old school now, but sometimes the team needs it.  Then again, the coaches did not have them prepared for this game either.   

I think this team needs to find an identity and it is early in the season with a lot of new players on the varsity team.  Tonight they took a lot of 3's (not just at the end).  Against Grinnell they rarely tried a 3.  Find a combination that works instead of all one way or the other.  Hopefully they will learn lessons about coming in prepared and playing their game, whatever that ends up being, and build to a consistent level of play for the rest of the season.  Just hopefully not at tonight's woeful level.   ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 01, 2016, 09:51:06 AM
What's up with conference play starting in November? 

Am I really senile and can't remember, or did conference play usually start in January in the past?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2016, 11:41:53 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 01, 2016, 09:51:06 AM
What's up with conference play starting in November? 

Am I really senile and can't remember, or did conference play usually start in January in the past?

When you add a team, you have to add conference dates. I'd say most nine-team conferences play conference dates in November.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2016, 01:10:16 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2016, 11:41:53 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 01, 2016, 09:51:06 AM
What's up with conference play starting in November? 

Am I really senile and can't remember, or did conference play usually start in January in the past?

When you add a team, you have to add conference dates. I'd say most nine-team conferences play conference dates in November.

The CCIW added Carroll this year to move to nine, but managed to start in December (though, admittedly, the 3rd).  I welcome Carroll back to the conference, but starting conference games before January just feel wrong! :P
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on December 02, 2016, 02:16:09 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on December 02, 2016, 01:10:16 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 01, 2016, 11:41:53 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 01, 2016, 09:51:06 AM
What's up with conference play starting in November? 

Am I really senile and can't remember, or did conference play usually start in January in the past?

When you add a team, you have to add conference dates. I'd say most nine-team conferences play conference dates in November.

The CCIW added Carroll this year to move to nine, but managed to start in December (though, admittedly, the 3rd).  I welcome Carroll back to the conference, but starting conference games before January just feel wrong! :P

Ha... the number of conferences that start prior to January I am quite sure out-numbers those who don't. I love to have conference games start in January, but it is funny to see those who post who haven't really experienced it. I honestly don't know a world that hasn't had it in Division III. Even 20 years ago in an 8-team conference, I believe they were playing in December (CAC - Pat could confirm or prove me wrong).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 02, 2016, 07:40:11 AM

The NJAC started conference play the Tuesday before Thanksgiving.  Stockton's second game was against arch conference rival Rowan.  December is pretty normal for many conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 02, 2016, 08:18:30 AM
The IIAC was a 9 team conference as recently as the 2011-12 season. I thought I remembered a conference game or two in December, but not as early as November. As my wife can tell you though, I'm not always the most observant one out there!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 03, 2016, 08:14:56 PM
First weekend of conference play...

Coe won @ Luther 60-58
NWU beat BVU 88-82
Simpson beat Wartburg 81-68
Dubuque beat Loras 96-78

out of conference...
Central beat Platteville 86-77
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 03, 2016, 11:51:27 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 03, 2016, 08:14:56 PM
First weekend of conference play...

Coe won @ Luther 60-58
NWU beat BVU 88-82
Simpson beat Wartburg 81-68
Dubuque beat Loras 96-78

out of conference...
Central beat Platteville 86-77

Thanks for keeping us up to date on IIAC action in your usual prompt style.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 07, 2016, 11:06:12 PM
Congratulations to Dubuque for outplaying the Dutch on our own floor.  A very lackluster Central team played just enough to pull out a win over Dubuque tonight.  Once again the Dutch really didn't look like they cared one way or another who won the game for most of the first half and part of the second.  They did finally come alive and showed a little spunk midway though the second half.  I have to put some responsibility on the coaches for not having the team ready to play and not calling a time out and doing some actual coaching. 

Sorry to say DD, but my friend and I were talking in the first half that UD didn't look very impressive and sadly, they had a double digit lead on Central at the time.  They nearly doubled the score on Central in the first half.  UD does have one very good player in #15.  I don't mean to disparage UD, but the Central that played tonight and against Coe was not the same Central that has played the other games.  Why they can't get fired up for conference games is unknown to me.  You would think you would have a little fire in the belly to try to win a conference title and tourney, make a playoff run, etc.  Central just looked really flat.  They weren't shooting well, weren't rebounding well, didn't play good defense.  Love the Dutch.  I want to say will the real Dutch basketball team please show up, but I'm a little afraid of which team it would be. 

A win is good, but they really just did enough to get by.  I expected to see some amazing senior leadership on the basketball team this year.  The football team had it, even though they stumbled twice.  I'm really surprised it is missing.  Colby Taylor is an amazing player and from everything I can tell, a great young man who is humble about his skills.  But he and other seniors need to step up and lead.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2016, 09:06:00 AM
I've only seen bits of two games, but agree UD has some work ahead of them. Don't know if it's a chemistry thing or just a case of not finding the right combo of players to put on the court together.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on December 08, 2016, 01:33:44 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 08, 2016, 09:06:00 AM
I've only seen bits of two games, but agree UD has some work ahead of them. Don't know if it's a chemistry thing or just a case of not finding the right combo of players to put on the court together.

Well, I'm certainly rooting for your boys to get it together. The better the Spartans do, the more it helps North Park's OWP.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 08, 2016, 11:29:13 PM
Maybe I understand where the Dutch are coming up with their ho-hum attitude towards conference games.  To quote the story from the UD game: 

'Before breaking for finals, the Dutch will resume action Saturday against No. 13-ranked Washington-St. Louis University (Mo.) at 3 p.m. at P.H. Kuyper Gymnasium. The Bears are coming off a 103-64 victory over Fontbonne University (Mo.) Tuesday night.
    Central is eager for Saturday, according to Douma. 
    "It's a statement game for us," he said. "It's a special weekend for us, we have our alumni coming back for the game, it should be a great atmosphere for everyone in Pella to enjoy."'

I like the change in the schedule since Douma came to Central.  It is good to see Central stepping up the non-conference competition and playing teams that will help us should we make it to the playoffs.  But my opinion is that our first priority should be trying to make a statement to the rest of the conference in our play against conference teams.  Hopefully the team can get fired up for a "statement" game because if they play as they do against the non-statement opponents in the conference, they might get slaughtered.

This team really has so much potential, but they have to look at every game as a big game and be excited for every game.  Only then will they reach their true potential and they have so much potential if they play up to it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 10, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Dutch prove my point beating #13 Washington University 84-80.  They played a great game, made runs when they needed to and showed just the kind of potential I believed this team had all along.  They just have to find a way to get this excited and up for the conference games.  When they have their heads and hearts in the game, they can play with the best and could have had two impressive conference wins.  The coaches are up to the challenge of the good team, and I believe they can be up to the challenge of the conference, but they have to show excitement for each game.  The only game that matters is the next one. 

Congratulations Dutch on your statement win.  Central fans, stop already with the "over rated" chant.  If we beat a top team, it would say so much more to chant "Dutch should be rated!"
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on December 10, 2016, 06:53:20 PM
Quote from: Klompen on December 10, 2016, 06:26:41 PM
Dutch prove my point beating #13 Washington University 84-80.  They played a great game, made runs when they needed to and showed just the kind of potential I believed this team had all along.  They just have to find a way to get this excited and up for the conference games.  When they have their heads and hearts in the game, they can play with the best and could have had two impressive conference wins.  The coaches are up to the challenge of the good team, and I believe they can be up to the challenge of the conference, but they have to show excitement for each game.  The only game that matters is the next one. 

Congratulations Dutch on your statement win.  Central fans, stop already with the "over rated" chant.  If we beat a top team, it would say so much more to chant "Dutch should be rated!"

Yeah, the 'overrated' chant has always perplexed me.  You're just diminishing what your team has just accomplished! ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 10, 2016, 09:38:43 PM
Could not agree more Mr. Ypsi.  Be proud of the win over a rated team instead of marginalizing it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 11, 2016, 08:41:46 PM
Wartburg beat#10 UW-EC 103-90.

Outscored EC 67-45 in second half. Tough d and great shooting was the difference. A lot of dribble drives and 3 point plays in  second.

"Wartburg turned it on in the second half, hitting .727 from field-goal range, .625 from behind the arc and .737 at the free throw line to score 67 points in the final 20 minutes of the contest"

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2016/12/11/mens-basketball-knights-score-67-in-second-half-upset-no-10-blugolds.aspx

2 wins at home vs. WIAC ranked teams. Beat UW-O in November's  Buzz Levick title game.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on December 11, 2016, 11:33:22 PM
Very nice win. I'm hoping the IIAC teams get a little more love in our Top 25 after the wins by Wartburg and Central this week.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 12, 2016, 06:49:42 PM
A little love in the top 25 for the IIAC would be nice.  Great to see both teams taking on some challenging teams. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 13, 2016, 09:19:40 AM
Wartburg cracks top 25 @ #23

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2016/12/12/mens-basketball-ranked-no-23-in-d3hoops-com-top-25-poll.aspx?path=mbball

Central would be #30.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 13, 2016, 07:14:11 PM
That works.  Central has that big loss to Coe on their record and it is a game they did not deserve to win by the way they played.  They are a much better team, but just did not bring it on that night.  I love this Central team when they are playing like they are capable of playing.  They have loads of potential and some great experienced players and new ones who are fitting into the program.  Hopefully the Coe game and the slow start against UD will help them realize they have to get fired up for every opponent and play their best every game.  When they do that, the ratings will come. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2016, 08:38:18 AM
Quote from: Klompen on December 13, 2016, 07:14:11 PM
That works.  Central has that big loss to Coe on their record and it is a game they did not deserve to win by the way they played.  They are a much better team, but just did not bring it on that night.  I love this Central team when they are playing like they are capable of playing.  They have loads of potential and some great experienced players and new ones who are fitting into the program.  Hopefully the Coe game and the slow start against UD will help them realize they have to get fired up for every opponent and play their best every game.  When they do that, the ratings will come.

Central has Augustana, Stout, and Whitewater coming up - win those three and they'll be in for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 14, 2016, 09:25:30 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2016, 08:38:18 AM
Quote from: Klompen on December 13, 2016, 07:14:11 PM
That works.  Central has that big loss to Coe on their record and it is a game they did not deserve to win by the way they played.  They are a much better team, but just did not bring it on that night.  I love this Central team when they are playing like they are capable of playing.  They have loads of potential and some great experienced players and new ones who are fitting into the program.  Hopefully the Coe game and the slow start against UD will help them realize they have to get fired up for every opponent and play their best every game.  When they do that, the ratings will come.

Central has Augustana, Stout, and Whitewater coming up - win those three and they'll be in for sure.

Sounds like Wartburg's game @ Simpson. Just didn't bring it and didn't deserve to win. I'm a little surprised they got ranked with that loss but is the best team @ Wartburg in a few years. 

Should be a fun New Year in the IIAC!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 15, 2016, 05:35:59 PM
Glad to hear Central isn't the only one letting up.  They will get things straightened out.  They do have some big games coming up.  It would be nice to see them staying strong.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 16, 2016, 09:09:58 PM
Central loses a game they should have won against Augustana tonight.  As a fan I have to ask why?  Not in terms of play, they lead by one at the half, then suffered cold shooting and poor rebounding in the second half along with an incredible number of traditional 3 point plays by Augustana in the second half. 

Why did Colby Taylor sit out the first half?  Why did Kyle Smith not dress?  Did Pete Walker get seriously hurt?  It could have been injury for Smith, could have been illness for Colby, and sure hoping Walker didn't break his arm when Augustana blocked his shot in the first half.  Pure speculation for which I will apologize in advance has me wondering about a rules infraction benching both Smith and Taylor, with Taylor being allowed to dress in case we needed him.  Which again, it could be illness, because if one could not dress for rules infraction, hopefully the other would not be allowed to either, even if he is the leading scorer.  Whatever the reason, Taylor was held out the entire first half, even when second leading scorer Walker got hurt. For those players that did play in the first half, they did a great job.  It can't be easy going to play at a ranked school with two of your top 6 players out of the game and then the number two scorer missing almost half of the first half.  I was surprised at how well we stayed with them the first half.  Maybe those players really stepped up with Taylor and Smith out, then Walker going out with an injury.  I really can't say enough about how well Central responded to the situation the first half. 

With Walker out, I think Douma felt forced to use Taylor regardless of the rules infraction or illness that kept him benched the first half.  But in some psychological way, it seemed to throw the team off in the second half.  We stopped rebounding and went cold on shooting at the same time Auggie started attacking the basket for numerous and one situations. 

To Smith and Taylor, I sincerely hope my speculation is off.  But if you were out for rules infraction, then you set a really poor example and your senior leadership needs a lot of attention.  This was another game we could have won.   

To those that picked up the slack, you showed tremendous leadership. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 16, 2016, 09:36:45 PM
Klomp-

1'm from one of Augie's bigger rivals..........

I think the reason you're at a bit of a loss you explain your team's defeat tonight is that you are actually looking in the wrong direction. Rather than Central being especially deficient in any certain area, you need to understand that, in the 2nd half, Augie probably played it's finest half of defense so far this season. I sense that as you continue to analyze the game, you'll see Augie's 2nd half D was the primary deciding factor in the final outcome.

I can't speak to any lack of PT due to possible suspensions or illness.  :)

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 17, 2016, 01:38:07 PM
I didn't mean to take anything away from Augustana and they definitely played a better second half.  That said, playing a fully staffed Central team, I believe Central would have won.  We had too much talent not in the game at all or for a full half or more. 

I am a decades long Central fan and have supported Central through some really bad years of basketball.  This team could be up there with some of the best Central teams, including the one when Colby Taylor was a freshman.  They have the ability, they have the talent to be exceptional and it is frustrating when it looks like they aren't using it.  Then again, last night gave some great playing time to the younger players and hopefully that will help us more than a non-conference loss will hurt us.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 17, 2016, 02:03:39 PM
Yep, win the conference and/or tournament, and you go to the big dance.
My old school, Nebraska Wesleyan, is now in your conference. I think the conference can be glad they weren't in last year when they had the Josten's Award winner plus another very fine player.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Klompen on December 17, 2016, 07:12:42 PM
That's right and I think the problems will work themselves out. 

Looking back to the Wash U game, there was some cheap shot play that was either missed or ignored by the refs.  Add the upset win and fevered pitch in the gym and there was some excess testosterone still bubbling in the handshake line, players and coaches.  No fighting, but not far from it either.  So that explains at least one of the absences.  Cooler heads should have prevailed, but I get that at some point you have to defend yourself too and I don't know what lead up to the less than friendly exchange.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 20, 2016, 07:32:01 AM
Wartburg moves up to #19
http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2016-17/week4

They won first game @ Cruzin Classic Monday 70-56 vs. SUNY Poly (5-3).  Sawyer Herman had 18 off the bench in 14 min. He missed the first month+ with hand injury.
http://www.go-knights.net/news/2016/12/19/mens-basketball-no-23-knights-top-suny-poly-at-cruzin-classic.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 20, 2016, 04:32:45 PM
North Central beats Wartburg 94-91 in double OT in Fort Lauderdale.
Wartburg had a 3 point lead, but as time was expiring NCC hit a 3 to send it to OT tied at 69.  Then, with .06 left in the first OT, North Central hit another from downtown to tie it at 86 and force the 2nd OT.

NCC played without preseason All-American Connor Raridon.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 21, 2016, 07:27:15 AM
Quote from: AndOne on December 20, 2016, 04:32:45 PM
North Central beats Wartburg 94-91 in double OT in Fort Lauderdale.
Wartburg had a 3 point lead, but as time was expiring NCC hit a 3 to send it to OT tied at 69.  Then, with .06 left in the first OT, North Central hit another from downtown to tie it at 86 and force the 2nd OT.

NCC played without preseason All-American Connor Raridon.

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2016/12/20/mens-basketball-no-19-wartburg-falls-to-no-20-north-central-college-in-double-ot.aspx?path=mbball
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2017, 11:06:18 PM
Conference play started back up tonight.

NWU wins 92-81 @ Simpson
Loras wins 84-75 @ Wartburg
Dubuque wins 78-64 over Coe
Central wins 82-67 over Luther

I was running honey do's most of the night and didn't catch any of the action.  Hopefully Klompen and AEN and some others can chime in with what they saw!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 10, 2017, 08:08:04 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 04, 2017, 11:06:18 PM
Conference play started back up tonight.

NWU wins 92-81 @ Simpson
Loras wins 84-75 @ Wartburg
Dubuque wins 78-64 over Coe
Central wins 82-67 over Luther

I was running honey do's most of the night and didn't catch any of the action.  Hopefully Klompen and AEN and some others can chime in with what they saw!

Wartburg starters came out flat and Loras was up 10-2 after 4 minutes. 2nd team came in and got a 33-31 1/2 time lead. Big run to start 2nd and made it Loras by 15 with 8 to go. Ballgame.

Much better intensity and play against Dbq on Saturday. 94-74 win. All starters for Knights had double digits scoring. Webber lead w/ 17.
Typical IIAC officiating. Both coaches hot in first half about calls. Severding wanted a T but ref would not give him the satisfaction of giving 1. The play that put Robbie over the top was a play with 2 bad calls. Herman (Wart) driving the lane, Dbq player not set and in arc  but gets the charge call, (bad call #1) several guys in a pile on the floor. Dbq player slams the floor with his hands and ref T the player up. (bad call # 2)

Big week for Wart. @ BV Wed and Central @ home Saturday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 10, 2017, 08:08:59 AM
Standings as of 1/8/17

Nebraska Wesleyan 3-1
Buena Vista            3-1
Wartburg               3-2
Loras                     3-2
Simpson                2-2
Central                  2-2
Coe                       2-2
Dubuque               2-3
Luther                   0-5

If a team gets thru with only 5 losses do they win the conference?





Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 10, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
I wanted to get to the Wartburg/UD game...but my family all bailed on me.  Sounds like a fun one to watch. 

We'll see how the next few weeks play out, but at this point I'm thinking like AEN...even the champ will get bloodied before it's all said and done. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 10, 2017, 01:56:40 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 10, 2017, 11:04:29 AM
I wanted to get to the Wartburg/UD game...but my family all bailed on me.  Sounds like a fun one to watch. 

We'll see how the next few weeks play out, but at this point I'm thinking like AEN...even the champ will get bloodied before it's all said and done.

Fun to watch as a Knight FAN!.... not so much for UD! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2017, 08:41:24 AM
Wednesday night scores...

Dubuque beats Simpson 80-65   
Coe beats NWU 85-63
BVU beats Wartburg 86-79
Loras wins @ Central 88-68

Dubuque is 3-0 @ home...0-3 on the road
Loras is 8-0 since consecutive losses @ Dubuque and BVU early. 

Standings...

Buena Vista 4-1   8-6
Loras .........4-2  11-4
Neb Wes.....3-2   9-4
Coe............3-2   7-7
Wartburg....3-3  11-4
Dubuque.....3-3   6-8
Simpson.....2-3   9-5
Central.......2-3   8-6
Luther........0-5   2-10

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 13, 2017, 12:29:54 AM
Usually I make sure to alert people of who is on Hoopsville prior to the show. Unfortunately, Thursday was a challenge production wise and I was a bit distracted. So, I hope you don't mind finding out after the fact considering you can watch the show On Demand or listen to the podcast(s).

As the season turns from the first to the second half, we are starting to see which teams are doing more than just getting off to good starts. Now conference races are starting to take shape and we get an idea of how the rest of the season may play out.

On Thursday's edition of Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave chatted with several coaches whose teams are either leading their conferences or in the battle for first place. Are these teams going to still be near the top come late February? What do they have to do to maintain their level of success. Dave even hit the road to Washington, DC to chat with several of his guests.

Dave also talked to a coach who now has the second-most wins in Division III history. Wooster's Steve Moore won his 787th (700th at Wooster) Wednesday night. Moore joined Dave in the NABC Coach's Corner to discuss the incredible milestone and all the milestones along the way.

You can watch Hoopsville On Demand or listen to the podcast by downloading it from SoundCloud and iTunes by clicking here: http://www.d3hoops.com/hoopsville/archives/2016-17/jan12

And don't forget about the Hoopsville Mailbag segment! Email questions you may have to the show at hoopsville@d3hoops.com and we will answer them on a future show.

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- Kevin Kovacs, Gallaudet men's coach
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- Chuck Winkelman, Calvin women's coach
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on January 17, 2017, 10:54:25 PM
Really excellent column by Nathan Ford about Loras' Josh Ruggles:

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/west/2016-17/loras-ruggles-heart

Read it and you won't be sorry you did. :)

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 21, 2017, 07:53:59 AM
Big day in Dubuque as UD travels the .7 mile over to Loras

Luther College @ Buena Vista 4:00 PM
Simpson College @Coe 4:00 PM
Wartburg College @ Nebraska Wesleyan 4:00 PM
University of Dubuque @ Loras 4:00 PM
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 24, 2017, 10:31:00 AM
Make up games last night...

NWU wins @ Central 93 - 86     
Dubuque beats Luther 71-65
BVU beats Simpson 100-89

Wednesday games...

Loras @ Simpson
Coe @ Wartburg
NWU @ BVU
Central @ Dubuque

Standings...

Buena Vista 8-1
Loras Coll....7-2
Neb Wes.....6-3
Wartburg....4-5
Simpson.....4-5
Coe Coll......4-5
Dubuque.....4-5
Central Coll.3-5
Luther........0-9

Looks like a log jam for the 4th seed.  Could we see a team tied for 4th finish 7th in the tie-breaker and miss the conference tourney?

Dubuque is 4-0 at home...0-5 on the road 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 08, 2017, 10:04:36 AM
A wild 2 weeks are in store, per usual in the IIAC.  Buena Vista is the only team to have clinched a tournament spot at 10-3

NWU 9-4
Loras 8-4
Central 6-6
UD 6-6
Wartburg 6-7
Simpson 6-7
Coe 4-8
Luther 1-11

Tonights games
-UD travels to Simpson.  Simpson took a 65-80 loss earlier this year in Dubuque.
-Luther travels in Waverly to take on Wartburg.  You can always toss the records out in this rivalry game, Wartburg won the first meeting 73-66. 
-Coe makes the journey out to Lincoln.  NWU edged Coe, in Cedar Rapids 85-73.
-Central treks to Dubuque to take on Loras.  Loras won the first matchup 88-68 in Pella.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 08, 2017, 02:34:30 PM
Welcome to the board! And tell your friends, we need more conversation on here  ;)
I'm curious to see if Dubuque can finally get an away win this week. They've been taking care of business at home, but keep falling just short on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 08, 2017, 03:05:10 PM
That's why I joined.....Regional rankings are out....first time in ages I've seen 3 IIAC schools ranked

West School       In-Region    Overall   
1      Whitman          21-0       21-0   
2      Whitworth        18-3       18-3   
3      St. Thomas      16-4       16-4   
4      Loras               15-6       15-6   
5      Claremont M-S  15-0       17-1   
6      Neb Wesleyan   15-5       15-6   
7      St. John's        14-5        14-6   
8      Buena Vista     14-8         14-8
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 08, 2017, 03:06:40 PM
Thoughts on getting 2 bids out of the league this year?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 08, 2017, 04:23:36 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 08, 2017, 03:06:40 PM
Thoughts on getting 2 bids out of the league this year?

I don't see it, because everyone has a decent amount of out-of-conference losses.  I only see 2 IIAC teams getting in if one team cruises through the non-con and conference schedule with only 2-3 losses and then loses in the tourney final.  That team would get in, along with the tourney winner.  But I am wrong more often than I am right  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 08, 2017, 11:08:25 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 08, 2017, 04:23:36 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 08, 2017, 03:06:40 PM
Thoughts on getting 2 bids out of the league this year?

I don't see it, because everyone has a decent amount of out-of-conference losses.  I only see 2 IIAC teams getting in if one team cruises through the non-con and conference schedule with only 2-3 losses and then loses in the tourney final.  That team would get in, along with the tourney winner.  But I am wrong more often than I am right  ;D

I really don't think so. Loras is at #4 with a pretty good SOS. The only scenario I see right now is Loras losing in the conference final and getting in as an at-large, but I have a better feeling next week when Results versus Regionally Ranked Opponents criteria gets involved.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 09, 2017, 06:24:19 PM
NWU and Loras have locked up tournament spots after last nights performances.  A shame that the league doesn't go to 8 or even have a play in game.  Simpson, UD, Central, or Wartburg could all win the league and one of them is going to be left out. 

Saturdays Games
Loras @ Luther
NWU @ UD
Simpson @ Central
Coe @ BV
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 10, 2017, 10:35:08 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 09, 2017, 06:24:19 PM
NWU and Loras have locked up tournament spots after last nights performances.  A shame that the league doesn't go to 8 or even have a play in game.  Simpson, UD, Central, or Wartburg could all win the league and one of them is going to be left out. 

Saturdays Games
Loras @ Luther
NWU @ UD
Simpson @ Central
Coe @ BV

I think a few years ago there was like a 5 team tie for 3rd place and Loras missed out on the tourney that way. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 10, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
It's crazy every year.  Seeding will be interesting.  Could you imagine being UD or Loras and having to travel out to NWU and BV on Thursday and Saturday?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 11, 2017, 09:16:17 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 10, 2017, 03:34:57 PM
It's crazy every year.  Seeding will be interesting.  Could you imagine being UD or Loras and having to travel out to NWU and BV on Thursday and Saturday?

Virtually all interstate driving and they're in a big, comfy, bus.  Put your headphones on and go to sleep.  Much more comfortable than the tennis team van I rode in on the drive over to BV from Dubuque way back in the day  ;D

Hopefully, Dubuque gets back to their winning ways at home today!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 11, 2017, 09:24:13 AM
Dubuque has been tough at home all year and since they have started playing zone, teams have struggled against them. Definitely intrigued to see how that holds up against the Wolves today.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 12, 2017, 04:56:09 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 11, 2017, 09:24:13 AM
Dubuque has been tough at home all year and since they have started playing zone, teams have struggled against them. Definitely intrigued to see how that holds up against the Wolves today.

I was almost the kiss of death for Dubuque.  Up 60-45 when I tuned in, it was soon a 5 point lead for UD.  Luckily we had to leave for dinner, and the Spartans pulled out the win!

Standings...

Loras....10-4  @ Coe, NWU
BVU......10-4  @ Central, @ Wartburg
NWU.....10-5  @ Loras
Simpson  8-7  Luther
Dubuque  7-7  Wartburg, @ Coe
Wartburg  6-8  @ Dubuque, BVU
Central.....6-8  BVU, @ Luther
Coe..........5-9  Loras, Dubuque
Luther......2-12  @ Simpson, Central

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 13, 2017, 03:49:39 PM
Some WILD games on Saturday.  Coe overcame a 20 point deficit with 7 minutes to play to win at the buzzer out in Storm Lake, Luther gave Loras all they could handle, and Simpson outscored Central 49-32 in the second half to pull out the 82-71 victory. 

Looking at Wednesday's games Simpson should roll Luther at home and don't be shocked if Coe defeats Loras at home to get themselves even deeper in the tournament conversation.  I will be interested to see what happens with the BV/Central and Wartburg/UD games. 

My predictions...
Simpson over Luther
Coe over Loras
BV over Central
UD over Wartburg

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 15, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
Big night, anybody heading out to the games?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2017, 05:09:15 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 15, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
Big night, anybody heading out to the games?

I'm going to Ramapo at Rowan, but I don't think that's what you were asking.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2017, 05:53:41 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 15, 2017, 03:09:11 PM
Big night, anybody heading out to the games?

I'll be in Dubuque, in spirit.  My body will be driving kids to confirmation and dance, while keeping up with the games through twitter and this website!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 16, 2017, 07:43:22 AM
I don't like losing...I don't like losing to Wartburg at home even more. Oh well, there is always Saturday and the short trip over to Coe!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 17, 2017, 10:17:03 AM
Not one game tomorrow that doesn't play a HUGE impact on seeding for the conference tournament.  Goes to show how much this conference beats up on each other and how competitive it is on a nightly basis.  Biggest games, however, are BV at Wartburg and NWU at Loras.  Could potentially end up with a 3-way tie for regular season title depending on how both of these games turn out. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 17, 2017, 10:18:39 AM
And out of Wartburg, Central, and UD, I'm not sure who will be left out.  All are solid teams who could win the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 17, 2017, 10:50:01 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 17, 2017, 10:18:39 AM
And out of Wartburg, Central, and UD, I'm not sure who will be left out.  All are solid teams who could win the tournament.

The way I read it, UD has to win, and either Wartburg or Central has to lose for Dubuque to make the tourney. 

UD was able to split with BV, Loras, and NWU...yet got swept by both Central and Wartburg.  Weird year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 22, 2017, 02:21:59 PM
Knights with back to back wins vs BV earns trip to Loras at Thursday. 88-77 @home Saturday to earn #6 seed, 74-68 @ BV Tuesday.  Sat Wartburg fought for last 7 minutes to get win. Took that intensity with them to SL and after slow shooting start made school record 13 3's.

Still can end up with preseason 1 Central and 2 Wartburg playing for NCAA bid.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 23, 2017, 10:26:10 PM
Preseason 1 & 2 meet for title. Central hosts Wartburg Saturday night. Central wins at Neb Wes 85-63. Wartburg comes back from 10 down at 1/2 to win 92-89 at Loras. Central swept season series. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 24, 2017, 06:57:10 AM
HansenRatings was planning on doing some research to see how often, or if ever, the 5th and 6th seeds play for the conference title.  This shows the depth of the IIAC.  If Central or Wartburg had lost their final regular season game, and Dubuque had ended with a win, the team that had lost wouldn't have made the conference tourney.  They both won, and a week later they are playing for the conference title.  This is a fun time of year!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 24, 2017, 10:56:54 AM
That Wartburg/Loras game was hands down the best I have seen in a long time.  Crazy atmosphere.  Both teams battled through some tough calls (the IIAC may have some of the worst officiating in the country) and it was back and forth the entire second half.  I think I saw that was tied 10 different times and the two exchanged leads 12 times.  Doesn't get any better than that in the conference tournament. 

Would love to see the IIAC get two bids, with winner of title and either Loras or NWU, but its doubtful.  Sooner of later this league will start getting some respect on the national stage.

As always, it was a fun year.  Tons of young talent around the league and I would expect it to be even crazier next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on February 24, 2017, 11:40:01 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 24, 2017, 06:57:10 AM
HansenRatings was planning on doing some research to see how often, or if ever, the 5th and 6th seeds play for the conference title.  This shows the depth of the IIAC.  If Central or Wartburg had lost their final regular season game, and Dubuque had ended with a win, the team that had lost wouldn't have made the conference tourney.  They both won, and a week later they are playing for the conference title.  This is a fun time of year!
I guess it shows depth.  The thing I have seen at least in the case of Central, the only team I follow, is the inconsistency.  Much of the season they have looked brilliant and then you look again and they can't do anything right.  Lately it has been the former but I still watch the games to the end because there doesn't seem to be a lead to big to blow or a deficit too big to overcome depending on whether they are running cold hot.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 24, 2017, 02:58:31 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 24, 2017, 10:56:54 AM
That Wartburg/Loras game was hands down the best I have seen in a long time.  Crazy atmosphere.  Both teams battled through some tough calls (the IIAC may have HAS some of the worst officiating in the country) and it was back and forth the entire second half.  I think I saw that was tied 10 different times and the two exchanged leads 12 times.  Doesn't get any better than that in the conference tournament. 

Would love to see the IIAC get two bids, with winner of title and either Loras or NWU, but its doubtful.  Sooner of later this league will start getting some respect on the national stage.

As always, it was a fun year.  Tons of young talent around the league and I would expect it to be even crazier next year.

Fixed it for ya. So inconsistent from game to game and end to end. I can tolerate poor officials,  but be consistent on what is called/not called
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 25, 2017, 10:03:32 PM
Wartburg wins conference tournament 89-85 @ Central.  :) Came back from 9 down at half. Wartburg 14-30 from 3, Dutch 13-42.


Wartburg women also dancing after beating Luther, 82-68.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 26, 2017, 01:24:14 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 25, 2017, 10:03:32 PM
Wartburg wins conference tournament 89-85 @ Central.  :) Came back from 9 down at half. Wartburg 14-30 from 3, Dutch 13-42.


Wartburg women also dancing after beating Luther, 82-68.

So Wartburg is going back to their old ways.  A basketball school, with a mediocre football program  ;D

I kid, I kid
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 26, 2017, 08:48:46 PM
Wartburg is a rasslin' school with 2 conference winning hoops teams.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on February 27, 2017, 01:41:43 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 24, 2017, 06:57:10 AM
HansenRatings was planning on doing some research to see how often, or if ever, the 5th and 6th seeds play for the conference title.  This shows the depth of the IIAC.  If Central or Wartburg had lost their final regular season game, and Dubuque had ended with a win, the team that had lost wouldn't have made the conference tourney.  They both won, and a week later they are playing for the conference title.  This is a fun time of year!

First time posting on the basketball forums. It feels weird.

But anyways, here's the analysis Doolittle was talking about. Pretty base-level stuff, using Ken Pomeroy's methodology for rating teams & predicting winners (Conference-only Pythagorean Expectation for ratings, Log5 method for win/loss, w/ 2.5% HFA).

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FLadUiFe.png&hash=fa01c61f1a1feb9317d5d1208ac6bf362f352404)

What this basically says is that there was about a 20% chance of Central & Wartburg both winning the first round, a 2% chance that they would meet in the finals, and around 0.8% chance of Wartburg winning in the finals at Central. As you can see, there's not a lot of variance between team ratings, so the small likelihood of every road team winning is mostly due to HFA & the first-round byes. With this bracket format, it's just really hard for a 6-seed to win it all, making Wartburg's victories all the more impressive.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 27, 2017, 08:51:25 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 26, 2017, 01:24:14 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 25, 2017, 10:03:32 PM
Wartburg wins conference tournament 89-85 @ Central.  :) Came back from 9 down at half. Wartburg 14-30 from 3, Dutch 13-42.


Wartburg women also dancing after beating Luther, 82-68.

So Wartburg is going back to their old ways.  A basketball school, with a mediocre football program  ;D

I kid, I kid

HA.  Luther FB players decided to make 2 trips to Waverly for regular season BB and Women's conference tourney and their favorite chant when Knight's shot FT's was "Go for TWO!"
1 win over Wartburg in 20 years and they think they're good or something.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 27, 2017, 09:17:13 PM
I suppose it is nice to see some traveling support for basketball these days.  Back in the late 80's to early 90's the IIAC basketball gyms could be some intimidating places.  Loras and Wartburg had me fearing for my life a few times.  I think the old man I now am wouldn't want to feel that way again though  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 28, 2017, 05:05:43 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 27, 2017, 09:17:13 PM
I suppose it is nice to see some traveling support for basketball these days.  Back in the late 80's to early 90's the IIAC basketball gyms could be some intimidating places.  Loras and Wartburg had me fearing for my life a few times.  I think the old man I now am wouldn't want to feel that way again though  ;D

You should have seen the old McCormick Gym back in the early 60s.  A cracker box that had home team advantage written all over it.  The IIAC finally had to rule against games there.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 03, 2017, 09:08:58 PM
Wartburg men win in round 1  92-66 upset win over No. 10 Benedictine.
Up by 15 at half and as 20+ in second. Team hit 16 3's, broke the school NCAA tournament game record of 6. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 04, 2017, 10:15:01 AM
Wartburg men seem to be on a similar run that the Wartburg women went on last year.  I think the Wartburg women finished 4th before winning the conference tourney and then ran all the way to the final 4.  Would be nice to see the Wartburg men make a similar run this year.  Would speak volumes for the IIAC if a mid-table team can make a run in the national tourney!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2017, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 04, 2017, 10:15:01 AM
Wartburg men seem to be on a similar run that the Wartburg women went on last year.  I think the Wartburg women finished 4th before winning the conference tourney and then ran all the way to the final 4.  Would be nice to see the Wartburg men make a similar run this year.  Would speak volumes for the IIAC if a mid-table team can make a run in the national tourney!

Wartburg women didn't win the conference tourney - they got in via Pool C.  They thought they had no real chance to get in - so much so that the Sommer sisters were in Florida with the softball team when they got the call to come home.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 04, 2017, 03:37:41 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 04, 2017, 03:18:39 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 04, 2017, 10:15:01 AM
Wartburg men seem to be on a similar run that the Wartburg women went on last year.  I think the Wartburg women finished 4th before winning the conference tourney and then ran all the way to the final 4.  Would be nice to see the Wartburg men make a similar run this year.  Would speak volumes for the IIAC if a mid-table team can make a run in the national tourney!

Wartburg women didn't win the conference tourney - they got in via Pool C.  They thought they had no real chance to get in - so much so that the Sommer sisters were in Florida with the softball team when they got the call to come home.

Yeah, just looked it up.  The Wartburg ladies went 9-5 in conference play to finish in 3rd place, and didn't win the conference tourney.  Kind of surprised they got selected...but goes to show the  committee got that pick correct.  They definitely showed they belonged!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 04, 2017, 10:02:19 PM
Wartburg win 76-43 @ #4 UW -RF.  Wartburg executed and broke the press, FR either jacked  up 3'S or drove and got fouled. Obviously playing as well as they have all year and have kept the pedal down to extend leads instead of settling for the lead they have.


Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Flying Dutch Fan on March 08, 2017, 04:17:42 PM
Shared this on the MIAA page - thought some here might be interested as well. 

So Wartburg and Augie shared some common opponents this season as well.  Stats below for those games:




Offense % 2pt% 3pt  % FT
Wartburg 46.542.8  75.8
Augustana 50.735.5  81.1
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Defense % 2pt% 3pt 
Wartburg 46.540.7 
Augustana 46.733.7 
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Rebounding TeamOpp  Margin
Wartburg 38.240  -1.8
Augustana 34.435  -0.6
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Scoring TeamOpp  Margin
Wartburg 87.887.2  0.6
Augustana 76.668.6  8.0
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3 point shooting Made/game
Wartburg 11.2
Augustana 5.4
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Ball Control Blks/gameStl/game  TO/Game
Wartburg 2.28.4
Augustana 4.28.4  13
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Assists Per GameA/TO 
Wartburg 14.21.69 
Augustana 12.80.98 
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Vs. Opponents UWONCC  Central
Wartburg 1 - 00 - 1  1 - 2
Augustana 1 - 02 - 1  1 - 0
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Record vs common
Wartburg 2 - 3
Augustana 4 - 1

P.S. If anyone is headed to Holland this weekend and looking for suggestions on lodging, restaurants, etc., this Hawkeye (born and raised in Orange City - and a Northwestern College alum) would be happy to assist. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 08, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
Massey:

13. Augustana
14. Hanover
15. Hope
20. Wartburg

Augustana 80, Wartburg 78 (AC 53%, WC 47%)
@ Hope 76, Hanover 71 (Hope 67%, Hano 33%)

Ken's HAL 9000 supercomputer is not sanguine about the chances for the national champion to come out of this sectional:

Hope -- 5.24%
Augustana -- 4.68%
Wartburg --  3.35%
Hanover -- 1.35%
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 10, 2017, 07:27:26 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 08, 2017, 06:02:07 PM
Massey:

13. Augustana
14. Hanover
15. Hope
20. Wartburg

Augustana 80, Wartburg 78 (AC 53%, WC 47%)
@ Hope 76, Hanover 71 (Hope 67%, Hano 33%)

Ken's HAL 9000 supercomputer is not sanguine about the chances for the national champion to come out of this sectional:

Hope -- 5.24%
Augustana -- 4.68%
Wartburg --  3.35%
Hanover -- 1.35%

"So you're saying we've got a chance" Go Knights!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2017, 07:29:07 AM

My Wartburg feature went up last night - http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/wartburg-playoffs-come-early - in case anyone missed it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HansenRatings on March 10, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2017, 07:29:07 AM

My Wartburg feature went up last night - http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/wartburg-playoffs-come-early - in case anyone missed it.

Nice article. Looking at Massey's rankings, the IIAC has 4 Top 50-caliber teams and 6 Top 75-caliber teams. I wonder if the perception of the conference is hurt by being in such close proximity to the MIAC, WIAC, and CCIW, just like in football. I remember when I was at Wartburg, BVU was a Top 10 team, but didn't get an at-large bid to the (smaller) field for the national tournament. Hopefully more teams like Wartburg's women last season can keep making runs deep in the postseason to help the conference's perception.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2017, 12:13:14 PM
Quote from: HansenRatings on March 10, 2017, 11:59:11 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 10, 2017, 07:29:07 AM

My Wartburg feature went up last night - http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/wartburg-playoffs-come-early - in case anyone missed it.

Nice article. Looking at Massey's rankings, the IIAC has 4 Top 50-caliber teams and 6 Top 75-caliber teams. I wonder if the perception of the conference is hurt by being in such close proximity to the MIAC, WIAC, and CCIW, just like in football. I remember when I was at Wartburg, BVU was a Top 10 team, but didn't get an at-large bid to the (smaller) field for the national tournament. Hopefully more teams like Wartburg's women last season can keep making runs deep in the postseason to help the conference's perception.

This season was clearly a step forward for the IIAC - they did really well in the non-conference.  I wonder if it's looking more like the MAC Commonwealth out east, where they've got eight teams that are all competitive every year and their conference schedule usually keeps them out of Pool C contention?  Adding Nebraska Wesleyan helps their competitiveness, I think, but it also makes it more difficult to get out of conference with a decent record.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 11, 2017, 07:44:58 AM
Congrats to Wartburg for advancing to the sweet 16.  Loved seeing the IIAC 6th seed make a run like that!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 14, 2017, 07:50:04 AM
Congrats to the Knights on making the sweet 16! And Wartburg Wrestling winning 13th national title, most ever in D3 wrestling.

2 Wartburg seniors were honored with all-region awards, Jordan Cannon 2nd team, Nick Webber 3rd team.
http://www.go-knights.net/news/2017/3/13/mens-basketball-duo-named-all-region.aspx

Other Conference players honored
1st Team
Cooper Cook    Nebraska Wesleyan    
Colby Taylor    Central

2nd Team
Kennedy Drey    Buena Vista

3rd Team
Nate Schimonitz    Nebraska Wesleyan (Rookie of the year winner)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2017, 01:04:14 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan is going to be absolutely loaded next season. The Prairie Wolves return four starters, including All-Region picks Cook and Schimonitz, their top six scorers, and their top five rebounders.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 14, 2017, 09:42:26 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 14, 2017, 01:04:14 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan is going to be absolutely loaded next season. The Prairie Wolves return four starters, including All-Region picks Cook and Schimonitz, their top six scorers, and their top five rebounders.

I saw you posted this elsewhere (NCAA Tourney page), please keep quiet as they are my sleeper for the Futures Draft! :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 22, 2017, 08:18:59 AM
Wartburg Men end season ranked # 18.

http://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2016-17/final

Key to Wartburg next year is who takes role/points of Sabus + Kickbush who take over for Cannon and Webber. Herman should take the Kalan spot. Good news, Coach Peth usually has A LOT of good guards!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on April 02, 2017, 01:49:53 PM
Will be interesting to see who steps into those roles.  Any idea what the recruiting situations are around the league?  There was quite a bit a talent in Iowa this year, curious to see who is going to end up in the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on April 08, 2017, 01:43:35 AM
It's my first post, and I know I'm a little bit late to the party, but I thought I would post some things that I have noticed over this season. I am a fan (parent) of a Nebraska Wesleyan player. I have read the board all season, just never posted before.

Regarding the final rankings, I can't believe that Wartburg was the only IIAC team rated, or even receiving votes. As a newcomer to the IIAC, and for the most part, D3, has the IIAC always not gotten much respect? It seems that if your 6th place team goes as far as Wartburg did in the tournament, and beat the teams they did, the teams that finished ahead of them in the regular season would get more respect.

NWU should be pretty good next year. As noted before, they have a lot of experience returning. And of that experience, most of it is current freshman and sophomores. I am looking forward to watching them the next couple of seasons.

A couple of things I noticed in moving from the GPAC to the IIAC. First of all, the competition was very good in the IIAC. Even though Wesleyan ended up in first place, they played a lot of close games. I think the top teams in the GPAC are better than the top teams in the IIAC, but after you get by the top couple of teams in the GPAC, the teams in each conference are pretty close. The second thing is that the officiating in the IIAC is not even close to being as good as it is in the GPAC. There were a few good officials in the IIAC, but not a whole lot. I don't think they were biased or anything, just not very good. Another thing is that I thought the coaching in the IIAC was pretty good.

I look forward to a lot of good, close games in the next couple of years. I wish the Iowa schools were closer to Wesleyan, it makes for a lot of long trips. Hopefully Wesleyan will be a good addition to the IIAC basketball portion of the conference.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 08, 2017, 08:04:20 AM
Quote from: rlgyank on April 08, 2017, 01:43:35 AM
It's my first post, and I know I'm a little bit late to the party, but I thought I would post some things that I have noticed over this season. I am a fan (parent) of a Nebraska Wesleyan player. I have read the board all season, just never posted before.

Regarding the final rankings, I can't believe that Wartburg was the only IIAC team rated, or even receiving votes. As a newcomer to the IIAC, and for the most part, D3, has the IIAC always not gotten much respect? It seems that if your 6th place team goes as far as Wartburg did in the tournament, and beat the teams they did, the teams that finished ahead of them in the regular season would get more respect.

NWU should be pretty good next year. As noted before, they have a lot of experience returning. And of that experience, most of it is current freshman and sophomores. I am looking forward to watching them the next couple of seasons.

A couple of things I noticed in moving from the GPAC to the IIAC. First of all, the competition was very good in the IIAC. Even though Wesleyan ended up in first place, they played a lot of close games. I think the top teams in the GPAC are better than the top teams in the IIAC, but after you get by the top couple of teams in the GPAC, the teams in each conference are pretty close. The second thing is that the officiating in the IIAC is not even close to being as good as it is in the GPAC. There were a few good officials in the IIAC, but not a whole lot. I don't think they were biased or anything, just not very good. Another thing is that I thought the coaching in the IIAC was pretty good.

I look forward to a lot of good, close games in the next couple of years. I wish the Iowa schools were closer to Wesleyan, it makes for a lot of long trips. Hopefully Wesleyan will be a good addition to the IIAC basketball portion of the conference.

Welcome to the board. Love to have new posters here.  Bring your friends here, the women's basketball board, and the football board as well  ;) 

As for rankings, there are so many D3 schools, it's hard to make a dent in the rankings.

Officiating can make anyone pull their hair out.  I thought it cost Dubuque a game against Central this year.  But, like you say, IIAC officials call a consistent game.  I see no bias in IIAC officiating, which I like.  They can be frustrating, but fair. 

I was curious to hear of the difference in the GPAC/IIAC.  I had heard for football Morningside would be a clear favorite, but after that the two conferences were fairly similar.  Sounds like your assessment is pretty similar for basketball.     

Happy to have NWU in the conference.  I had some initial reservations about bringing in a non-Iowa school, but now that I have discovered more about your school, I like what I see. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 08, 2017, 08:11:37 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on April 02, 2017, 01:49:53 PM
Will be interesting to see who steps into those roles.  Any idea what the recruiting situations are around the league?  There was quite a bit a talent in Iowa this year, curious to see who is going to end up in the IIAC.

I notice when kids post on twitter they are committing to a school...but I'm out of the loop as far as knowing if those kids will end up making any sort of impact in the IIAC.  I'm a teeny bit biased and hope all of the Dubuque commits end up being the second coming of Andre Norris  ;D  Or old school...and are the second coming of Dave Crawford or Damon Rogers  :D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on April 08, 2017, 01:43:35 AM
It's my first post, and I know I'm a little bit late to the party, but I thought I would post some things that I have noticed over this season. I am a fan (parent) of a Nebraska Wesleyan player. I have read the board all season, just never posted before.

Regarding the final rankings, I can't believe that Wartburg was the only IIAC team rated, or even receiving votes. As a newcomer to the IIAC, and for the most part, D3, has the IIAC always not gotten much respect? It seems that if your 6th place team goes as far as Wartburg did in the tournament, and beat the teams they did, the teams that finished ahead of them in the regular season would get more respect.

NWU should be pretty good next year. As noted before, they have a lot of experience returning. And of that experience, most of it is current freshman and sophomores. I am looking forward to watching them the next couple of seasons.

A couple of things I noticed in moving from the GPAC to the IIAC. First of all, the competition was very good in the IIAC. Even though Wesleyan ended up in first place, they played a lot of close games. I think the top teams in the GPAC are better than the top teams in the IIAC, but after you get by the top couple of teams in the GPAC, the teams in each conference are pretty close. The second thing is that the officiating in the IIAC is not even close to being as good as it is in the GPAC. There were a few good officials in the IIAC, but not a whole lot. I don't think they were biased or anything, just not very good. Another thing is that I thought the coaching in the IIAC was pretty good.

I look forward to a lot of good, close games in the next couple of years. I wish the Iowa schools were closer to Wesleyan, it makes for a lot of long trips. Hopefully Wesleyan will be a good addition to the IIAC basketball portion of the conference.

Rigyank,

What you need to remember is that NCAA standards for the national tournament and those of the NAIA, which you might be familiar with due to NWU's previous association with the GPAC/NAIA, might well be different in several aspects. 43 of the 64 NCAA tournament bids are what are referred to as Pool A which automatically go to conference tournament winners. The remaining 21 bids go to teams that meet specific detailed criteria. If you don't win your conference tournament, finishing first in your conference in the regular season is no guarantee that your team will be selected. The exception to this would usually, but not always, be a team who finishes first, or tied for first, in one of the top 3 or so conferences in the country (see Augustana). The IIAC is not one of those conferences. One criteria that is very important is strength of schedule. Its obvious that you are somewhat surprised NWU did not get a tourney bid despite tying for the conference regular season championship. However, looking beyond that accomplishment, the Prairie Wolves (or as I still think of them, Plainsmen), had at least three major problems. First, they failed to win the conference tournament which would have automatically gotten them in. Secondly, playing weak teams like MacMurray, Illinois College, and Blackburn will not help at all. Third, wins against NAIA, Christian College Association, and other non-NCAA schools don't even count. Therefore, as far as the NCAA is concerned, NWU had 16 wins this year, not 18. Also, once you get to 8-9 losses, sometimes less, your chances to be selected are exceedingly small unless you played a killer schedule or, got that auto bid by winning your conference tournament.
You talked about 6th place Wartburg doing pretty well in the national tournament. Keep in mind they would not have even been selected had they not won the conference tourney. Loras had fewer losses and didn't go.
Perfect examples of the importance of winning the conference tourney can be seen by looking at North Central and St. Norbert. NCC finished fourth in the CCIW, one of the country's major conferences. However, they beat #1 Carthage and #3 seed Augustana (championship game loser) to win the CCIW tourney and secure the CCIW's automatic bid. St. Norbert of the weak Midwest Conference finished 16-2 in conference. They went into the conference tournament semifinal at 19-4 and lost. Even with finishing with only 5 losses all year, and almost four times that many wins, they did not receive a bid because of their very weak overall schedule. I would guess losing only 5 times and not receiving a bid is almost unheard of, but it supremely illustrates the importance of playing a decent schedule and/or winning your conference tournament.

* I am (long, long ago) a former NWU player. During my years in Lincoln, we fairly often played Buena Vista and Simpson. Fortunately, we didn't go further east. Those bus rides to Dubuque must be hell.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on April 09, 2017, 07:55:58 PM
The IIAC gets no love on the national stage, which is a shame.  They tore it up in the non-conference this year.  Central beat Wash U and was in a tight one with UW-W and Auggie (I believe). BV went out and competed well with Whitman and Whitworth, Wartburg should have beaten NCC in regulation but got beat by the buzzer twice before falling and handled UW-E and UW-O with ease.  Hopefully respect is right around the corner after the run Wartburg put together.  This conference has earned it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 09, 2017, 08:24:38 PM
Quote from: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on April 08, 2017, 01:43:35 AM
It's my first post, and I know I'm a little bit late to the party, but I thought I would post some things that I have noticed over this season. I am a fan (parent) of a Nebraska Wesleyan player. I have read the board all season, just never posted before.

Regarding the final rankings, I can't believe that Wartburg was the only IIAC team rated, or even receiving votes. As a newcomer to the IIAC, and for the most part, D3, has the IIAC always not gotten much respect? It seems that if your 6th place team goes as far as Wartburg did in the tournament, and beat the teams they did, the teams that finished ahead of them in the regular season would get more respect.

NWU should be pretty good next year. As noted before, they have a lot of experience returning. And of that experience, most of it is current freshman and sophomores. I am looking forward to watching them the next couple of seasons.

A couple of things I noticed in moving from the GPAC to the IIAC. First of all, the competition was very good in the IIAC. Even though Wesleyan ended up in first place, they played a lot of close games. I think the top teams in the GPAC are better than the top teams in the IIAC, but after you get by the top couple of teams in the GPAC, the teams in each conference are pretty close. The second thing is that the officiating in the IIAC is not even close to being as good as it is in the GPAC. There were a few good officials in the IIAC, but not a whole lot. I don't think they were biased or anything, just not very good. Another thing is that I thought the coaching in the IIAC was pretty good.

I look forward to a lot of good, close games in the next couple of years. I wish the Iowa schools were closer to Wesleyan, it makes for a lot of long trips. Hopefully Wesleyan will be a good addition to the IIAC basketball portion of the conference.

Rigyank,

What you need to remember is that NCAA standards for the national tournament and those of the NAIA, which you might be familiar with due to NWU's previous association with the GPAC/NAIA, might well be different in several aspects. 43 of the 64 NCAA tournament bids are what are referred to as Pool A which automatically go to conference tournament winners. The remaining 21 bids go to teams that meet specific detailed criteria. If you don't win your conference tournament, finishing first in your conference in the regular season is no guarantee that your team will be selected. The exception to this would usually, but not always, be a team who finishes first, or tied for first, in one of the top 3 or so conferences in the country (see Augustana).

That's not a guarantee, though. There have been teams that tied for the CCIW title that didn't qualify for the D3 tournament (North Park and Carthage this season, and Augustana and Carthage in 2003 comes to mind). I realize that you did use the phrase "usually, but not always", but guarantee is a word that connotes an absolute, and this is not the sort of thing that is subject to an absolute, because: a) it isn't covered within either the primary or secondary criteria of at-large (Pool C) selections; and b) such a guarantee would violate the NCAA's equal-access policy. The better word to use here would be "likelihood" rather than "guarantee".

Quote from: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 05:35:09 PMThe IIAC is not one of those conferences.

It's worth noting that in the 43-year history of the D3 tournament, no IIAC team has ever reached the Final Four. Nebraska Wesleyan has reached it -- in fact, the Prairie Wolves have been to four D3 Final Fours (all during their days as the Plainsmen) as what D3 considered an independent (i.e., not a member of a D3 member league), finishing second once and third three times.

Quote from: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 05:35:09 PMOne criteria that is very important is strength of schedule. Its obvious that you are somewhat surprised NWU did not get a tourney bid despite tying for the conference regular season championship. However, looking beyond that accomplishment, the Prairie Wolves (or as I still think of them, Plainsmen), had at least three major problems. First, they failed to win the conference tournament which would have automatically gotten them in. Secondly, playing weak teams like MacMurray, Illinois College, and Blackburn will not help at all. Third, wins against NAIA, Christian College Association, and other non-NCAA schools don't even count. Therefore, as far as the NCAA is concerned, NWU had 16 wins this year, not 18. Also, once you get to 8-9 losses, sometimes less, your chances to be selected are exceedingly small unless you played a killer schedule or, got that auto bid by winning your conference tournament.

You know this, of course, but since rigyank is new to D3 it should probably be said here that the selection committee does not base its at-large (Pool C) decisions upon the number of losses a team has suffered. One of the primary criteria -- arguably one of the two most important primary criteria -- is winning percentage against D3 schools. I suspect that a lot of people use the eight-losses mark as their barometer for bubble status because they don't want to (or can't) do the math in their heads in the middle of a conversation in order to calculate winning percentage. ;) Eight losses is a useful shorthand in some ways, but it's a little deceptive in others.

The usual rule of thumb is that a .700 winning percentage against D3 teams is the safe minimum for consideration; anything below that, and you're really pushing it. Until this past March, .667 (i.e., two wins out of every three games) was as low as the committee has ever been willing to go in terms of awarding a Pool C berth. But that floor was broken through this year when UW-Oshkosh was awarded a Pool C berth in spite of having a winning percentage well below .667, basically because UWO played such an enormously difficult schedule that the committee just didn't feel it could say no to the Titans, as spelled out in this article:

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2017/uw-oshkosh-off-charts

(UWO ended up losing in the opening round, but it was by two points to an outstanding Hope team on Hope's home floor.)

Quote from: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
You talked about 6th place Wartburg doing pretty well in the national tournament. Keep in mind they would not have even been selected had they not won the conference tourney. Loras had fewer losses and didn't go.

Indeed ... and to further support AndOne's point, there were three Pool C teams in the field of 64 this past month that had lower winning percentages than Loras. I've already mentioned one, UW-Oshkosh. The other two were Williams and Keene State -- and Williams reached the Final Four, while Keene State made it to the Elite Eight. They got into the tourney, and Loras didn't, because of strength of schedule.

Quote from: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 05:35:09 PM
Perfect examples of the importance of winning the conference tourney can be seen by looking at North Central and St. Norbert. NCC finished fourth in the CCIW, one of the country's major conferences. However, they beat #1 Carthage and #3 seed Augustana (championship game loser) to win the CCIW tourney and secure the CCIW's automatic bid. St. Norbert of the weak Midwest Conference finished 16-2 in conference.

... and won the regular-season title of the MWC, which should be pointed out here as well. In fact, St. Norbert won the league by two full games.

Quote from: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 05:35:09 PMThey went into the conference tournament semifinal at 19-4 and lost. Even with finishing with only 5 losses all year, and almost four times that many wins, they did not receive a bid because of their very weak overall schedule. I would guess losing only 5 times and not receiving a bid is almost unheard of, but it supremely illustrates the importance of playing a decent schedule and/or winning your conference tournament.

* I am (long, long ago) a former NWU player. During my years in Lincoln, we fairly often played Buena Vista and Simpson. Fortunately, we didn't go further east. Those bus rides to Dubuque must be hell.

He's saying that because they didn't have cell phones back when he played for Nebraska Wesleyan, and I'm pretty convinced that Generation Y student-athletes are so addicted to their phones that they don't notice if a busride takes two hours or ten. In fact, I think that the NWU athletic department telephone looked like this when he was a student-athlete:

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/b3/b0/d2/b3b0d2fabd60402ab0759a56faa250c6.jpg)

Quote from: dunkin3117 on April 09, 2017, 07:55:58 PM
The IIAC gets no love on the national stage, which is a shame.  They tore it up in the non-conference this year.  Central beat Wash U and was in a tight one with UW-W and Auggie (I believe). BV went out and competed well with Whitman and Whitworth, Wartburg should have beaten NCC in regulation but got beat by the buzzer twice before falling and handled UW-E and UW-O with ease.  Hopefully respect is right around the corner after the run Wartburg put together.  This conference has earned it.

The IIAC definitely did better than it usually does in non-conference play this past season, and, as you said, it won some big games. But it didn't win enough as a whole to lift up everybody's winning percentages (in particular, the winning % of the Duhawks), and close losses don't matter in the eyes of the committee, because scoring margin is not a selection criterion.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 08:30:01 PM
LORAS RECRUIT

Jordan Kedrowski, who was 2nd in scoring for Carthage of the CCIW In 2015-16, will play at Loras in 2017-2018.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2017, 08:36:07 PM
Gregory's 2003 citation of CCIW finish is apples and oranges. That was a 48-team tournament, with significantly fewer at-large bids available.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 09, 2017, 08:40:46 PM
True, but beside the point. My point was that the word "guarantee" didn't belong there.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2017, 08:42:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 09, 2017, 08:40:46 PM
True, but beside the point. My point was that the word "guarantee" didn't belong there.

Well, I'm pretty darn sure he wasn't talking about guaranteed getting into a tournament structure we haven't had in 11 years.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 09, 2017, 08:52:36 PM
I know. But I put it in there to emphasize that there have been CCIW champions shut out regardless of the format used at the time, including the current one.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 10:32:13 PM
Sorry to fail to be technical enough in my explanation, and use words like "guarantee" instead of "likelihood." I was going a bit fast as I was trying to get done with my post in between steps in getting dinner ready. My mission was just to try to give a basic explanation of how things work to a new poster whose background appears to be more NAIA based. i was especially interested in rigyank's situation given he is the dad of a NWU player and I formerly played for the school. That's what I get for trying to be a nice guy. Not sure what the business about a tournament structure we haven't had in 11 years was all about especially when i haven't been around that long. Oh well, I just hope a new poster was able to learn at least a little something relative to his concern. 😐
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 09, 2017, 11:16:04 PM
No worries. I just wanted to make sure that rigyank wasn't under the wrong impression that perhaps the D3 rules were rigged (sorry) against the non-powerhouse leagues.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 09, 2017, 11:41:29 PM
Definitely true that it is not a hard and fast rule!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on April 10, 2017, 04:32:56 PM
Thanks for all of the reply's to my post. I think it was misinterpreted though. I was not saying that I thought NWU should have been in the tournament. I knew once they lost their first game in the conference tournament their chances were veryyyy slim. I thought Loras had the best chance of a team from the conference getting an at large berth, but that was a long shot also. I understand about strength of schedule and all that, and did my research on how the D3 tourney worked beforehand. I am a stats geek, so I love to try and figure things like that out all of the time. I mentioned the final rankings, and that was the question I was kind of asking. What I couldn't believe was that no IIAC team even received a vote for the final rankings besides Wartburg.

There is a lot of good info in all of the reply's to my original post, thanks for all of that knowledge.

I look forward to expanding my knowledge of D3 basketball on this board.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 10, 2017, 08:24:07 PM
Well, we're glad to have you aboard!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on April 19, 2017, 02:47:28 PM
The end of season rankings are a complete joke.  I get that Wartburg made it to the Sweet 16, but there is no way they were the 18th best team in the country.  Not trying to take anything away from Wartburg by any means, but they, like other teams, (i.e. Augustana, Williams) got hot at the right time of the year. 

On another note, I too heard about the Kedrowski kid.  Also heard they got Mueller (sp?) from Prince of Peace.  Also sounds like the Prairie duo of Drahos and Eilers have committed to Wartburg and Coe.  I had a chance to see the both play several times this year and I believe both have a BRIGHT future in this league. 

Any idea what others are bringing in?  Haven't heard or seen much on any of the others from in-state.  Don't follow the recruiting trail outside of Iowa all that often. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on June 09, 2017, 10:23:58 AM
UNI releases Men's BB schedule and Nov. 15, hosting Wartburg. 3 new starts for Wartburg this year.  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on June 09, 2017, 10:52:16 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on June 09, 2017, 10:23:58 AM
UNI releases Men's BB schedule and Nov. 15, hosting Wartburg. 3 new starts for Wartburg this year.  ::)

And Dubuque Dec. 10

https://twitter.com/UNImbb/status/873162765963108352 (https://twitter.com/UNImbb/status/873162765963108352)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on August 04, 2017, 10:20:16 AM
LC brings back Tim Schuring as asst coach

http://www.luther.edu/sports/men/basketball/headlines/?story_id=768928

Former Wart asst. Oliver Drake is HC @ Midland.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 18, 2017, 05:10:34 PM
It's good to see Schuring get back to Luther. 

Just about a month away from the start of the season.  As always, it will be an exciting IIAC.  I hope Wartburg's deep NCAA tournament run brings a little national attention to the league.  Loras and NWU were both worthy of getting in last year.  Maybe this is the year the IIAC finally gets a little recognition as one of the best leagues in the country. 

My WAY to early predictions.

NWU
Last Year: 11-5
Projection: 13-3
Key Returners: Everyone
Key Losses: None

Wartburg
Last Year: 8-8
Projection: 10-6
Key Returners: Sabus, Woeste, Kickbush
Key Losses: Weber, Cannon, Kalan

Loras
Last Year: 11-5
Projection: 10-6
Key Returners: DiCanio, George, Dacy-Seijo
Key Losses: Quinn, VanWambeke, Mathis

Coe
Last Year: 6-10
Projection: 8-8
Key Returners: Winker, Timp, Haaland, Meyer,
Key Losses: Jirak, Vonderhaar, Shedeck, Pflughaupt

Simpson
Last Year: 9-7
Projection: 8-8
Key Returners: Amsbaugh
Key Losses: Singleton, Thompson, Turner, Dafney

BV
Last Year: 10-6
Projection: 8-8
Key Returners: Jeffries x2, Wisecup, Juhl
Key Losses: Gallagher, Drey, Morgan

Dubuque
Last Year: 7-9
Projection: 7-9
Key Returners: Lake, Atwater, Jackson, Newsome
Key Losses: Mohlis, Weber

Central
Last Year: 8-8
Projection: 6-10
Key Returners: Boyd, Drucker, Wildermuth, Smith
Key Losses: Handsaker, Walker, Taylor, Glawe, Kunkel

Luther
Last Year: 2-14
Projection: 4-12
Key Returners: no roster available
Key Losses: no roster available
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 21, 2017, 01:01:32 PM
Your projections show the depth of the league.  You have Dubuque, Central, and Luther missing the conference tourney, and they are 3 teams that have recently won the conference title. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 21, 2017, 02:41:25 PM
Which is why I just can't comprehend why the league has not gotten the respect on a national stage.  These teams beat up on each other night in and night out, and proved that they can compete with teams from the WIAC and CCIW this past year.  Really looking forward to this season...someone will surprise me, that, I can assure you.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on September 21, 2017, 02:57:38 PM
If you Iowa boys don't mind a little info from an IL guy.........

Loras is getting a great 6'6" 3 point shooter - Rowan McGowan
Dubuque is getting two very solid all around 6'5" players - Pete Ragen & Cole Navigato.

I saw all 3 play several times. McGowan is just a plain ice water in his veins shooter. The bigger the need for a three pointer the more likely he is to make it.

Ragen can play, probably in this order, the 3, 2, or 1. Not a huge scorer or rebounder, but above average in both, and maybe the best ballhandler over 6'3" I saw last year.
Navigato is both a scorer and rebounder. He will get lots of points or lots of rebounds almost every game. About every 3-4 games he will get lots of both. And he plays defense too.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 26, 2017, 02:52:44 PM
I've heard the Ragen name, don't know much about Navigato.  Sounds like UD has added some much needed length.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 26, 2017, 10:49:09 PM
The news today of all the corruption going on at the D1 level of NCAA basketball has me even more happy to follow D3 basketball and the IIAC. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on September 27, 2017, 02:27:16 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on September 26, 2017, 10:49:09 PM
The news today of all the corruption going on at the D1 level of NCAA basketball has me even more happy to follow D3 basketball and the IIAC.

I was telling this to my former teammates today. I enjoy watching D1 but I love D3 and truly believe it this purest form of college athletics. #WhyD3
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 19, 2017, 01:34:02 PM
Preseason coaches poll is out.

http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2017/10/18/iiac-mens-basketball-coaches-tab-nebraska-wesleyan-as-preseason-front-runner.aspx (http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2017/10/18/iiac-mens-basketball-coaches-tab-nebraska-wesleyan-as-preseason-front-runner.aspx)

1.   Nebraska Wesleyan (6) 62 18-8, 11-5 IIAC (Regular Season Co-Champion) 
2.   Loras (2) 57 18-8, 11-5 IIAC (Regular Season Co-Champion)   
3.   Wartburg (1)  51 21-10, 8-8 IIAC (IIAC Tournament Champion)   
4.   Dubuque 38 10-15, 7-9 IIAC   
5.   Simpson 31 16-10, 9-7 IIAC   
6.   Central 28 16-12, 8-8 IIAC   
7.   Buena Vista 26 14-12, 10-6 IIAC   
8.   Coe 23 10-15, 6-10 IIAC   
9.   Luther 8 4-19, 2-14 IIAC   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on October 19, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
Dont follow the IIAC ultra close but kinda surprised NWU didnt get all first place votes from the other coaches. It will be interesting to see how the momentum of a great NCAA run manifests itself for the Knights early on in the year for Wartburg. What do you think about the poll Doolittle?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 19, 2017, 02:36:30 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on October 19, 2017, 02:29:13 PM
Dont follow the IIAC ultra close but kinda surprised NWU didnt get all first place votes from the other coaches. It will be interesting to see how the momentum of a great NCAA run manifests itself for the Knights early on in the year for Wartburg. What do you think about the poll Doolittle?

The fact Wartburg had a deep playoff run, and Loras was the equal of NWU through the regular season would be the reasons why NWU didn't get all the 1st place votes.  Plus, I don't think everyone really knows NWU too well at this point.  The Prairie Wolves have only been in the conference 1 season.  I follow Dubuque, but don't keep too updated on who the other schools return and what not.  I'm old, so besides wanting to see UD at the top, I also want to see the Spartans beat up Loras and Wartburg  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 23, 2017, 09:08:46 AM
It's hard to say if the post season run will translate for the Knights.  They did lose 2 1,000 point scorers from that team.  The surprises to me were seeing Coe/BV that low.  Coe will have a solid squad, and BV always seems to find a way to be right around that 8 to 10 win mark.  A lot of teams have their rosters out, I definitely see some new names that could make an immediate impact in the league.  Going to be an exciting year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 02, 2017, 09:18:24 AM
THE IIAC HAS SOME PRESEASON RESPECT!!!!  Wartburg ranked 21, a shock to me having lost 3 starters, but hey, I think we can all agree, it's good for the league.  Both Loras and NWU receiving 1 vote a piece. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: AndOne on September 21, 2017, 02:57:38 PM
If you Iowa boys don't mind a little info from an IL guy.........

Loras is getting a great 6'6" 3 point shooter - Rowan McGowan
Dubuque is getting two very solid all around 6'5" players - Pete Ragen & Cole Navigato.

I saw all 3 play several times. McGowan is just a plain ice water in his veins shooter. The bigger the need for a three pointer the more likely he is to make it.

Ragen can play, probably in this order, the 3, 2, or 1. Not a huge scorer or rebounder, but above average in both, and maybe the best ballhandler over 6'3" I saw last year.
Navigato is both a scorer and rebounder. He will get lots of points or lots of rebounds almost every game. About every 3-4 games he will get lots of both. And he plays defense too.

Can also shed some light on Loras' roster as a guy who follows their recruiting closely. Rowan McGowen is a stud, shoots the piss out of the ball from the perimeter and has improved his body vastly over the last several months. Will certainly be an impact guy as a freshman. Cole Navigato (whose brother, Nate, is a starter at Toledo) transferred from Dubuque to Loras during the first week of the school year. He's extremely long and athletic and, as you indicated above, can impact the game on both ends of the floor. The Duhawks also locked down Seth Mueller, who was coveted by nearly every major program in the midwest. Add a big-bodied Cam Harris out of Bolingbrook HS and a long, tough glue guy like Jake Ruggles (younger brother of Josh Ruggles, Loras junior), and the freshmen class at Loras looks to be something special.

Loras also picked up Jordon Kedrowski via transfer. Kedrowski was Carthage's leading scorer/leader in assists as a freshman, transferred to Ball State as a PWO before landing at Loras. Believe he's ineligible for first semester via transfer rules but will be an impact guy at the point spot immediately following his return. Also, I'd be remiss not to mention Josh Ruggles, who returns to the Duhawks after missing nearly all of last season with injuries/heart issues. The kid is finally healthy and up 15 pounds of muscle, so he's essentially like a new addition to the team for this season. Word out of a closed scrimmage is that he looked very good at North Park last night. NWU may be the most experienced team in the IIAC, but hard to argue that Loras isn't the most talented on paper...

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 01:06:50 PM
An interesting development regarding Dubuque-Loras.  ;)


Cole Navigato@CNavi35 . Apr 26

I'm blessed to announce that I will be continuing my academic and athletic career at University of Dubuque!!! Proud to be a Spartan 🏀🙏!!!


Cole Navigato Retweeted
Loras M Basketball‏ @DuhawkMBB  Oct 23
Come check out our Purple/Gold Scrimmage Saturday at 1:00 in the Fieldhouse!

Cole Navigato
@CNavi35
Loras Basketball '21

It appears a former (as of April) Dubuque recruit has been flipped over to in-town conference-rival Loras!  :o
I would LOVE to hear the story behind that sequence of events!  ;)   :P



Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 08:30:01 PM
LORAS RECRUIT

Jordan Kedrowski, who was 2nd in scoring for Carthage of the CCIW In 2015-16, will play at Loras in 2017-2018.

Yep, the Kedrowski transfer is old news.  :)

Quote from: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: AndOne on September 21, 2017, 02:57:38 PM
If you Iowa boys don't mind a little info from an IL guy.........

Loras is getting a great 6'6" 3 point shooter - Rowan McGowan
Dubuque is getting two very solid all around 6'5" players - Pete Ragen & Cole Navigato.

I saw all 3 play several times. McGowan is just a plain ice water in his veins shooter. The bigger the need for a three pointer the more likely he is to make it.

Ragen can play, probably in this order, the 3, 2, or 1. Not a huge scorer or rebounder, but above average in both, and maybe the best ballhandler over 6'3" I saw last year.
Navigato is both a scorer and rebounder. He will get lots of points or lots of rebounds almost every game. About every 3-4 games he will get lots of both. And he plays defense too.

Can also shed some light on Loras' roster as a guy who follows their recruiting closely. Rowan McGowen is a stud, shoots the piss out of the ball from the perimeter and has improved his body vastly over the last several months. Will certainly be an impact guy as a freshman. Cole Navigato (whose brother, Nate, is a starter at Toledo) transferred from Dubuque to Loras during the first week of the school year. He's extremely long and athletic and, as you indicated above, can impact the game on both ends of the floor. The Duhawks also locked down Seth Mueller, who was coveted by nearly every major program in the midwest. Add a big-bodied Cam Harris out of Bolingbrook HS and a long, tough glue guy like Jake Ruggles (younger brother of Josh Ruggles, Loras junior), and the freshmen class at Loras looks to be something special.

Loras also picked up Jordon Kedrowski via transfer. Kedrowski was Carthage's leading scorer/leader in assists as a freshman, transferred to Ball State as a PWO before landing at Loras. Believe he's ineligible for first semester via transfer rules but will be an impact guy at the point spot immediately following his return. Also, I'd be remiss not to mention Josh Ruggles, who returns to the Duhawks after missing nearly all of last season with injuries/heart issues. The kid is finally healthy and up 15 pounds of muscle, so he's essentially like a new addition to the team for this season. Word out of a closed scrimmage is that he looked very good at North Park last night. NWU may be the most experienced team in the IIAC, but hard to argue that Loras isn't the most talented on paper...


"Piss"  ???  Shame, shame. We don't talk like that here on D3Hoops, darkhorsebball.  :o   ;)

And full disclosure------

It should be pointed out that darkhorsebball is a basketball recruiting service, not an individual poster, and has a particular interest in enhancing athletes that have signed with them to secure scholarships (D1, D2, NAIA), or for other promotional services (D3). They have apparently funneled several players to Loras.
And, the head of the firm is Brandon Ruggles who just happens to be the brother of Josh and Jake who are mentioned above.  :)

This is not to say they don't provide a service-as do their competitors. I just think its important that posters/readers of the board be familiar with all aspects of the post including knowing a business, rather than an individual, is the one doing the posting.  8-)

On another front, you have to be both happy for, and impressed with, a player like Josh Ruggles who has battled back from injury and serious illness to build himself back up to a physical level where he is again able to compete on the D3 level. As we know, you play for the love of the game at D3. Bonus points to Josh for overcoming big obstacles in order to be able to do so.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 02, 2017, 02:42:02 PM
Well said, AndOne. 

How are other teams in the league doing in their scrimmages? 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 02:54:05 PM
Thank you dunkin.

You will have to ask others that question. I am a CCIW guy who really doesn't know what is happening in detail with the IIAC teams. I have started to pay slightly more attention to the IIAC as I'm a NUW grad, and former Prairie Wolves Plainsmen basketball player.  :)

Also, looking impressive against NPU has to be taken with a grain of salt as they shouldn't be one of the CCIW's top tier teams this season.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 03:36:18 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 02:31:59 PM
Quote from: AndOne on April 09, 2017, 08:30:01 PM
LORAS RECRUIT

Jordan Kedrowski, who was 2nd in scoring for Carthage of the CCIW In 2015-16, will play at Loras in 2017-2018.

Yep, the Kedrowski transfer is old news.  :)

Quote from: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 12:45:35 PM
Quote from: AndOne on September 21, 2017, 02:57:38 PM
If you Iowa boys don't mind a little info from an IL guy.........

Loras is getting a great 6'6" 3 point shooter - Rowan McGowan
Dubuque is getting two very solid all around 6'5" players - Pete Ragen & Cole Navigato.

I saw all 3 play several times. McGowan is just a plain ice water in his veins shooter. The bigger the need for a three pointer the more likely he is to make it.

Ragen can play, probably in this order, the 3, 2, or 1. Not a huge scorer or rebounder, but above average in both, and maybe the best ballhandler over 6'3" I saw last year.
Navigato is both a scorer and rebounder. He will get lots of points or lots of rebounds almost every game. About every 3-4 games he will get lots of both. And he plays defense too.

Can also shed some light on Loras' roster as a guy who follows their recruiting closely. Rowan McGowen is a stud, shoots the piss out of the ball from the perimeter and has improved his body vastly over the last several months. Will certainly be an impact guy as a freshman. Cole Navigato (whose brother, Nate, is a starter at Toledo) transferred from Dubuque to Loras during the first week of the school year. He's extremely long and athletic and, as you indicated above, can impact the game on both ends of the floor. The Duhawks also locked down Seth Mueller, who was coveted by nearly every major program in the midwest. Add a big-bodied Cam Harris out of Bolingbrook HS and a long, tough glue guy like Jake Ruggles (younger brother of Josh Ruggles, Loras junior), and the freshmen class at Loras looks to be something special.

Loras also picked up Jordon Kedrowski via transfer. Kedrowski was Carthage's leading scorer/leader in assists as a freshman, transferred to Ball State as a PWO before landing at Loras. Believe he's ineligible for first semester via transfer rules but will be an impact guy at the point spot immediately following his return. Also, I'd be remiss not to mention Josh Ruggles, who returns to the Duhawks after missing nearly all of last season with injuries/heart issues. The kid is finally healthy and up 15 pounds of muscle, so he's essentially like a new addition to the team for this season. Word out of a closed scrimmage is that he looked very good at North Park last night. NWU may be the most experienced team in the IIAC, but hard to argue that Loras isn't the most talented on paper...


"Piss"  ???  Shame, shame. We don't talk like that here on D3Hoops, darkhorsebball.  :o   ;)

And full disclosure------

It should be pointed out that darkhorsebball is a basketball recruiting service, not an individual poster, and has a particular interest in enhancing athletes that have signed with them to secure scholarships (D1, D2, NAIA), or for other promotional services (D3). They have apparently funneled several players to Loras.
And, the head of the firm is Brandon Ruggles who just happens to be the brother of Josh and Jake who are mentioned above.  :)

This is not to say they don't provide a service-as do their competitors. I just think its important that posters/readers of the board be familiar with all aspects of the post including knowing a business, rather than an individual, is the one doing the posting.  8-)

On another front, you have to be both happy for, and impressed with, a player like Josh Ruggles who has battled back from injury and serious illness to build himself back up to a physical level where he is again able to compete on the D3 level. As we know, you play for the love of the game at D3. Bonus points to Josh for overcoming big obstacles in order to be able to do so.  ;D

A wildly unfair post, I have helped Dark Horse navigate the Chicago recruiting scene, but if you can figure out how a business could benefit from anonymously posting on an online chat forum, please let me know and I'll communicate your strategies directly to Mr. Ruggles.

I'm an individual who knows the Chicagoland recruiting scene as well as anyone, and Loras is one of many schools who has recruited the region well since Chris Martin took over. If you do not appreciate my insights (only one player listed above worked with Dark Horse, by the way), then that is your loss. And, given that you already admitted that you do not know the IIAC, maybe you could learn something given that it's a hotbed for Chicago talent.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 04:06:06 PM
First of all, I did NOT say I don't know the IIAC. I said I don't know it as well as the CCIW. I know all about Coach Martin, a former great player at Elmhurst of the CCIW. Watched him for four years. And, while not as much as you, I also know something about a lot of Chicagoland HS basketball players.

And, if you're not a business entity, whats this:

https://www.darkhorserecruits.com/dark-horse-recruiting-success-stories/

Are you just using their name?

Lastly, as far as your vast knowledge of the Chicagoland HS recruiting scene, if you aren't associated with a recruiting  service, how do you have time to acquire all this knowledge?
Do you know as much as all the college whose lifeblood is recruiting, and who go to multiple HS games all season long, season after season?







Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 04:11:14 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 04:06:06 PM
First of all, I did NOT say I don't know the IIAC. I said I don't know it as well as the CCIW. I know all about Coach Martin, a former great player at Elmhurst of the CCIW. Watched him for four years. And, while not as much as you, I also know something about a lot of Chicagoland HS basketball players.

And, if you're not a business entity, whats this:

https://www.darkhorserecruits.com/dark-horse-recruiting-success-stories/

Are you just using their name?

Lastly, as far as your vast knowledge of the Chicagoland HS recruiting scene, if you aren't associated with a recruiting  service, how do you have time to acquire all this knowledge?
Do you know as much as all the college whose lifeblood is recruiting, and who go to multiple HS games all season long, season after season?

Am I living in Groundhog's Day? Or are you just using the same weak arguments in multiple forums hoping that somebody somewhere will jump in and defend you? As I mentioned above, I helped Brandon and his team navigate the Chicagoland recruiting scene. I liked the name Dark Horse, figured I would be safe to use it on an anonymous chat forum. Didn't realize the kind of heat I would catch for a name.

What about you? Are you affiliated with And1 sneakers? Or are you just stealing their name?

To answer your question about my recruiting knowledge, I enjoy following recruiting. I know many Chicagoland HS coaches, dozens of D3 college coaches, and I coach multiple teams on the AAU circuit. Is my passion for the process alright with you? And if so, can we get back to talking more about the sport I love?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 04:41:46 PM
You "helped Brandon and his team navigate the Chicagoland recruiting scene." But, you're not the least bit associated with the firm? You don't in any way help promote kids under their stewardship? Do you promote kids that are being handled by any other recruiting services or just darkhorse?
What other schools have you helped channel kids to?

You didn't answer my question about knowing more than the coaches.  ;)

Your passion for recruiting is great. But perhaps you shouldn't be using a company name as your screen/board name. Especially one you have admitted you have some type of association with.

I WISH I was part of the And1 Corporation. I'd certainly have a lot more money than I do. But your asking if I am affiliated did elicit a good laugh.  ;D

Lastly, its time for a quiz. If a player makes a basket and is fouled in the process, what is it called?  ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 04:52:38 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 04:41:46 PM
You "helped Brandon and his team navigate the Chicagoland recruiting scene." But, you're not the least bit associated with the firm? You don't in any way help promote kids under their stewardship? Do you promote kids that are being handled by any other recruiting services or just darkhorse?
What other schools have you helped channel kids to?

You didn't answer my question about knowing more than the coaches.  ;)

Your passion for recruiting is great. But perhaps you shouldn't be using a company name as your screen/board name. Especially one you have admitted you have some type of association with.

I WISH I was part of the And1 Corporation. I'd certainly have a lot more money than I do. But your asking if I am affiliated did elicit a good laugh.  ;D

Lastly, its time for a quiz. If a player makes a basket and is fouled in the process, what is it called?  ;)

I already answered these same questions in the NAAC post, and I don't feel that they were interesting enough to answer a second time. Also, the company is not named Dark Horse Basketball - per the link you shared, it's clearly Dark Horse Sports Recruiting. So, saying that handle "darkhorsebball" is directly tied to the company's name is a stretch. Liked the name, love the sport. If you want to argue with me about my opinions, that's great and I welcome debate. But hopefully you'll stop questioning my merits and intentions so that I can get back to doing what I love - talking about basketball.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 02, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
Me, watching the back-and-forth on here

(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/popcorn.jpg)

I wonder if the new Loras coach, looks and acts like this guy...
(https://www.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2016/03/13/RPitinoGettyImages-497070956.jpg)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 05:02:00 PM
Quote from: darkhorsebball on November 02, 2017, 04:52:38 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 04:41:46 PM
You "helped Brandon and his team navigate the Chicagoland recruiting scene." But, you're not the least bit associated with the firm? You don't in any way help promote kids under their stewardship? Do you promote kids that are being handled by any other recruiting services or just darkhorse?
What other schools have you helped channel kids to?

You didn't answer my question about knowing more than the coaches.  ;)

Your passion for recruiting is great. But perhaps you shouldn't be using a company name as your screen/board name. Especially one you have admitted you have some type of association with.

I WISH I was part of the And1 Corporation. I'd certainly have a lot more money than I do. But your asking if I am affiliated did elicit a good laugh.  ;D

Lastly, its time for a quiz. If a player makes a basket and is fouled in the process, what is it called?  ;)

I already answered these same questions in the NAAC post, and I don't feel that they were interesting enough to answer a second time. Also, the company is not named Dark Horse Basketball - per the link you shared, it's clearly Dark Horse Sports Recruiting. So, saying that handle "darkhorsebball" is directly tied to the company's name is a stretch. Liked the name, love the sport. If you want to argue with me about my opinions, that's great and I welcome debate. But hopefully you'll stop questioning my merits and intentions so that I can get back to doing what I love - talking about basketball.

Sure.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 02, 2017, 05:04:05 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 02, 2017, 04:59:48 PM
Me, watching the back-and-forth on here

(https://twitchy.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/popcorn.jpg)

I wonder if the new Loras coach, looks and acts like this guy...
(https://www.theepochtimes.com/assets/uploads/2016/03/13/RPitinoGettyImages-497070956.jpg)

No way.
No reason to suspect for a second that Chris Martin is anything but a first class guy who runs a first class operation.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 03, 2017, 12:04:12 AM
I got really excited about some new IIAC posts!! Then I realized it was a bunch of nonsense... :( cant wait for games to start so we have stuff to talk about!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 03, 2017, 10:05:59 AM
Well, this escalated quickly  :o.....

I'd agree with what AndOne said, yet again.  I don't see where or how you are getting a Pitino/Martin comparison.  No one has ever thrown crazy talk at Douma for turning around a Dutch program that was 10-14 prior to his arrival to 21-8 in his second season.  Chalk it up to good coaching.  Don't be reaching for something that definitely isn't there.

As for other scrimmages, I was able to dig a little and found out that Wartburg had "won" their scrimmage at Gustavus.
Central battled with Northwestern.
As previously mentioned, Loras was at North Park.
Looks like UD had a team scrimmage last night.  I wonder if Andre made a special appearance for the dunk contest.
I had heard Coe was scrimmaging UNI, but haven't seen or heard anything on it.
Unable to find anything on other conference teams.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AO on November 03, 2017, 10:25:16 AM
@darkhorsebball  There's no shame in promoting some players here, just be honest about who you are.

@Mods The forum is not showing emails for members that joined after 9/24.  Really making it hard to guess with a greater than 95% certainty that we've got another family member pretending to be a neutral third party.   ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 03, 2017, 10:49:45 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on November 03, 2017, 10:05:59 AM
Well, this escalated quickly  :o.....

I'd agree with what AndOne said, yet again.  I don't see where or how you are getting a Pitino/Martin comparison.  No one has ever thrown crazy talk at Douma for turning around a Dutch program that was 10-14 prior to his arrival to 21-8 in his second season.  Chalk it up to good coaching.  Don't be reaching for something that definitely isn't there.

As for other scrimmages, I was able to dig a little and found out that Wartburg had "won" their scrimmage at Gustavus.
Central battled with Northwestern.
As previously mentioned, Loras was at North Park.
Looks like UD had a team scrimmage last night.  I wonder if Andre made a special appearance for the dunk contest.
I had heard Coe was scrimmaging UNI, but haven't seen or heard anything on it.
Unable to find anything on other conference teams.

I don't post often enough on the basketball side of the board for people here to get my humor.  90% of what I say is done tongue-in-cheek. Seeing a kid transfer across town from UD to Loras, a poster dropping recruiting tidbits on us, taken with what's been going on in D1 and I attempted (unsuccessfully) to inject some humor into the conversation. 

Andre was last seen dunking basketballs professionally in Spain.  I'm guessing Coach Sieverding was unable to bring him back for the dunk contest.  I'm still praying Andre has a younger brother that turns down D1 offers because of his desire to follow in his big brothers footsteps at UD  ;)

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2017, 07:02:46 PM
Quote from: AO on November 03, 2017, 10:25:16 AM
@darkhorsebball  There's no shame in promoting some players here, just be honest about who you are.

@Mods The forum is not showing emails for members that joined after 9/24.  Really making it hard to guess with a greater than 95% certainty that we've got another family member pretending to be a neutral third party.   ;D

Done. Indeed, the software may offer to let you hide your email address, but the Terms of Service are clear on that front.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on November 04, 2017, 12:57:17 PM
Wesleyan is scrimmaging against Colorado School of Mines today in Colorado.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on November 04, 2017, 10:07:17 PM
NWU lost first half by 1 and second half by 6.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 13, 2017, 02:51:59 PM
Didn't catch any of the game, but looking at Coe's stats against Drake, 2 things stood out.  Coe only managed 8 FT attempts, and no Haaland.  Any word on the situation there?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 15, 2017, 01:57:43 PM
It seems that Loras freshman Rowan McGowan has shrunk since arriving on campus.
While he was listed (and I believe correctly) as being 6'6" last year in high school, he has evidently shrunk a couple of inches to his currently listed height of 6'4" on the Loras roster.
Fibbing is forbidden in his home town of Wheaton, so maybe it's that foul air out there in Iowa. Or perhaps the food in student cafeteria?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 17, 2017, 09:22:41 AM
Loras  84  Lake Forest  81
Central  73  UW-River Falls  85   
Wartburg  43   UNI  72 
Buena Vista  85  Bethany Lutheran College  82   
Iowa Wesleyan University  66  Coe  99   
Westminster College (Missouri)  61  Simpson  83
Dubuque  75  Edgewood College  61
UW-La Crosse  94  Luther  64

Notables after night one:
Loras's starting 5 were fairly balanced, but where will the bench scoring come from?
Kyle Smith has taken the role of Colby...he will be Central's gun slinger this year.
Wartburg was within 5 with 11 minutes remaining, but was outscored 32-8 to close out the game.
BV appreared to struggle in the second half with Bethany Lutheran, giving up 47 second half points.  Depth may be an issue for the Beavers this year. 
Coe, without Haaland, handled Wesleyan with ease. 
As expected, Amsbaugh was a beast, scoring 22 and grabbing 8 boards.  He will be a tough matchup for everyone in the league.
If anything happens to Lake or Atwater, UD will be in trouble.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2017, 11:06:46 AM
Stevens Point stunk it up against middle-of-the-pack MIAC foe St.  Olaf. How do you think BVU will do against the Pointers this weekend? I believe they'll again miss their big guns, Bublitz and Delmore due to injury.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 17, 2017, 01:00:44 PM
Thanks for the conference rundown dunkin3117

UD needs some height, but a win is a win. 

I'm liking how we can watch the IIAC through Roku and other devices now.  Watching on the TV is much better than the computer.  It's almost like having an IIAC version of the Big Ten Network  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 17, 2017, 04:26:39 PM
I didn't know that you were able to watch through Roku. Will have to try that this weekend. 

I don't think Point will have much of an issue.  BV has hisorically been known for their size, which it appears is lacking at this point in the season.  But I'm sure Van Haften will have his team ready to roll come conference time.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 18, 2017, 08:07:39 AM
Wartburg beasts Crown 91-88 in Buzz Levick Tournament.
Kickbush hit 2 3's in last minute to break a tie and one with :10 left for game winner.  (Crown has some 3 point shooters and would trade a 2 for a 3)

Knights are defenetly a "work in progress" 

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2017/11/17/mens-basketball-knights-advance-to-buzz-levick-tournament-championship.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 18, 2017, 09:25:40 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 18, 2017, 08:07:39 AM
Wartburg beasts Crown 91-88 in Buzz Levick Tournament.
Kickbush hit 2 3's in last minute to break a tie and one with :10 left for game winner.  (Crown has some 3 point shooters and would trade a 2 for a 3)

Knights are defenetly a "work in progress"

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2017/11/17/mens-basketball-knights-advance-to-buzz-levick-tournament-championship.aspx

A "work in progress" in football means next season they could be a good team...in basketball it can mean by January they could be a good team!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 18, 2017, 08:12:49 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 18, 2017, 09:25:40 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 18, 2017, 08:07:39 AM
Wartburg beasts Crown 91-88 in Buzz Levick Tournament.
Kickbush hit 2 3's in last minute to break a tie and one with :10 left for game winner.  (Crown has some 3 point shooters and would trade a 2 for a 3)

Knights are defenetly a "work in progress"

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2017/11/17/mens-basketball-knights-advance-to-buzz-levick-tournament-championship.aspx

A "work in progress" in football means next season they could be a good team...in basketball it can mean by January they could be a good team!

Today the Knights beat Aurora 80-66, finished on 19-7 run. Woetse with 27.
Work in progress = finding some scoring off the bench, like Kickbush and Sabus did last year when Cannon and Weber left the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 20, 2017, 09:00:19 PM
 Does anyone know the status of Nebraska Wesleyan's Nate Schimonitz? He played in a preseason game 11/13 but not in either regular season games.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 20, 2017, 10:32:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2017, 09:00:19 PM
Does anyone know the status of Nebraska Wesleyan's Nate Schimonitz? He played in a preseason game 11/13 but not in either regular season games.

Also curious about this. Thanks for the inquiry ronk!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 21, 2017, 09:44:58 PM
Dubuque beats Iowa Wesleyan 76-56 in their home opener.  Play again tomorrow against Rockford. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 26, 2017, 08:09:19 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on November 20, 2017, 10:32:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2017, 09:00:19 PM
Does anyone know the status of Nebraska Wesleyan's Nate Schimonitz? He played in a preseason game 11/13 but not in either regular season games.

Also curious about this. Thanks for the inquiry ronk!
Knee injury - out til after Christmas.
http://journalstar.com/sports/local/college/basketball/with-schimonitz-out-cook-scores-in-nwu-win-over-bethany/article_07a6be9b-ddd4-5865-a718-8737d67a9729.html
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 26, 2017, 08:15:47 AM
Wartburg goes 2-0 over the weekend at Waldorf tournament

Friday 78-71 vs. Graceland. Sawyer Herman w/26 pts.
http://www.go-knights.net/news/2017/11/24/mens-basketball-herman-hits-new-career-high-in-win-over-graceland.aspx?path=mbball

Saturday 78-67 vs Waldorf
http://www.go-knights.net/news/2017/11/25/mens-basketball-earns-fourth-straight-win.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on November 26, 2017, 10:05:46 AM
Loras bounced back from a loss earlier this week to take down Ripon in a nail biter last night. Junior Josh Ruggles was 11-14 from the field for 37 points, while senior Jake Toman hit the game-winner with just over a second left to play. Cal Schultz had a career night for Ripon with 28.

Loras starts conference play this week, and junior Demond George should be returning to action. Just over three weeks until the last piece of the Loras offense (Kedrowski) returns, as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ronk on November 26, 2017, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 26, 2017, 08:09:19 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on November 20, 2017, 10:32:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2017, 09:00:19 PM
Does anyone know the status of Nebraska Wesleyan's Nate Schimonitz? He played in a preseason game 11/13 but not in either regular season games.

Also curious about this. Thanks for the inquiry ronk!
Knee injury - out til after Christmas.
http://journalstar.com/sports/local/college/basketball/with-schimonitz-out-cook-scores-in-nwu-win-over-bethany/article_07a6be9b-ddd4-5865-a718-8737d67a9729.html

thanks for the info.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 27, 2017, 09:38:36 AM
Saw the highlights of the Loras win over Ripon and also noticed that George had not been playing.  Injured?  Seems like a lot of guys have gone down early this season. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on November 27, 2017, 11:24:03 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on November 27, 2017, 09:38:36 AM
Saw the highlights of the Loras win over Ripon and also noticed that George had not been playing.  Injured?  Seems like a lot of guys have gone down early this season.

Pulled his hamstring a few weeks back. Returns to practice today and assuming all goes well, he should be suited up ready for action Wednesday v Coe.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 28, 2017, 11:08:01 AM
Quote from: ronk on November 26, 2017, 04:15:42 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 26, 2017, 08:09:19 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on November 20, 2017, 10:32:01 PM
Quote from: ronk on November 20, 2017, 09:00:19 PM
Does anyone know the status of Nebraska Wesleyan's Nate Schimonitz? He played in a preseason game 11/13 but not in either regular season games.

Also curious about this. Thanks for the inquiry ronk!
Knee injury - out til after Christmas.
http://journalstar.com/sports/local/college/basketball/with-schimonitz-out-cook-scores-in-nwu-win-over-bethany/article_07a6be9b-ddd4-5865-a718-8737d67a9729.html

thanks for the info.

I second the thanks!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 30, 2017, 07:34:44 AM
Conference Night 1 Results
BV 91      Simpson 90
Central 86           Luther 82
Loras 81           Coe 76
Wartburg 77   Dubuque 51

Road teams go 4-0.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 04, 2017, 12:48:03 PM
Day 2 Conference Results + Standings
Loras        71 
Luther       51

Nebraska Wesleyan   94
Simpson                   85

Buena Vista   94
Coe              84

Central   96
Dubuque   89

Home teams go 4-0


Buena Vista 2-0
Loras      2-0
Central   2-0
Neb Wesleyan 1-0
Wartburg 1-0
Dubuque  0-2
Coe    0-2
Luther  0-2
Simpson 0-2   

Non Conf. Wartburg    66    UW- EC   55      Sawyer Herman 21 pts.
                  
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on December 07, 2017, 07:45:35 AM
Wednesday night's results
Neb. Wesleyan    99       Central *    86
Wartburg *   98       Loras    87
Coe College    71       Luther  *   66
Simpson       87       Dubuque *   83

* Home team - Road teams go 3-1

STANDINGS
Wartburg 2-0
Buena Vista 2-0
Neb Wesleyan 2-0
Loras      2-1
Central   2-1
Coe    1-2
Simpson 1-2 
Dubuque  0-3
Luther  0-3


Wartburg took care of #protectlevick. Back and first first half. Wartburg got 28pt in 28 minutes, 5 others in double figures. Bench came in and provided a spark early. RYAN STULKEN, CLIFTON BROWN, TREVOR LARSON, MAX  SMITH DRAHOS, TYLER ZUMBACH
Ruggles held scoreless in first half for 19:59, chucked up a buzzer beater for first points- ended with 32,  Wartburg was ahead by 10-15 for most of 2nd half and he was getting shots (11 shots in 2nd half)

http://go-knights.net/news/2017/12/6/mens-basketball-six-score-double-digits-in-conference-home-opener-win-over-loras.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on December 18, 2017, 10:44:37 AM
After a rough loss to Augsburg last weekend, Loras bounced back Saturday to beat CCIW opponent Carroll. Duhawks were led by a double-double from junior Ryan DiCanio (22 points, 10 rebounds), and got 29 points out of Josh Ruggles. Jordon Kedrowski also made his season debut for Loras now that the first semester has officially ended, and he ended with 10 points and 3 assists in 24 minutes of action.

Still no Demond George for Loras... must have aggravated his hamstring injury in practice or something. They're back at it Tuesday night against Blackburn, who's had a surprisingly hot start under head coach Steve Kollar. I must admit that I'm a big fan of Blackburn, so I'm excited to see how Coach Kollar does against his old college roommate Chris Martin.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on December 18, 2017, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on December 18, 2017, 10:44:37 AM
After a rough loss to Augsburg last weekend, Loras bounced back Saturday to beat CCIW opponent Carroll. Duhawks were led by a double-double from junior Ryan DiCanio (22 points, 10 rebounds), and got 29 points out of Josh Ruggles. Jordon Kedrowski also made his season debut for Loras now that the first semester has officially ended, and he ended with 10 points and 3 assists in 24 minutes of action.

Still no Demond George for Loras... must have aggravated his hamstring injury in practice or something. They're back at it Tuesday night against Blackburn, who's had a surprisingly hot start under head coach Steve Kollar. I must admit that I'm a big fan of Blackburn, so I'm excited to see how Coach Kollar does against his old college roommate Chris Martin.

I'm excited that I was able to watch the livestream of the game against Carroll. Seeing DiCanio, Ruggles, and Kedrowski (all guys from my area) play together and dominate (for the most part) the way they did as college teammates, much like they did as AAU teammates, was awesome. I will also be at that game against Blackburn tomorrow and am excited to see those guys in person again, as I haven't seen Loras play in person, and I haven't seen Kedrowski play in person since he was at Carthage playing against my Thunder.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on December 30, 2017, 01:53:20 PM
In case you missed it, Loras best Macalester last night 165-89... not a typo. Loras scored 100 points in the first half. I believe the 165 points was the most scored in any NCAA game this season.

Not too many takeaways from this game, as Macalester is not good and most of Loras' points were scored on wide open buckets. I suppose the one item of note is that freshman's Rowan McGowen is averaging over 13PPG for Loras after dropping 26 last night. Back at it tonight against Monmouth...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on December 31, 2017, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on December 30, 2017, 01:53:20 PM
In case you missed it, Loras best Macalester last night 165-89... not a typo. Loras scored 100 points in the first half. I believe the 165 points was the most scored in any NCAA game this season.

Not too many takeaways from this game, as Macalester is not good and most of Loras' points were scored on wide open buckets. I suppose the one item of note is that freshman's Rowan McGowen is averaging over 13PPG for Loras after dropping 26 last night. Back at it tonight against Monmouth...

MAC in 2017 is one of the worst MIAC teams I have seen. Plus they started playing a variation of Grinnell system... not much take away is right.

Anyone have thoughts on Wartburg? They are ranked pretty high in d3hoops poll but I bet thats mostly due to good run in the NCAA last year and solid start, even though they dont have too many (maybe UWSP) good wins. I think they are solid but will be interesting to see how they do against Neb. Wes and Loras.

It should be known I really like this Prairie Wolves team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on December 31, 2017, 08:07:50 PM
NWU got Schimonitz back last night against Grinnell. Assuming he doesn't have any issues with his knee after playing on it for the first time, that will help NWU quite a bit. They are playing really well right now. It was a good win for them yesterday against Grinnell. They had a couple of good contributions from their bench players, which they needed because all of their players who usually play the most minutes had 4 or 5 fouls.  I could make a 2 page post on that part of the game, but I will save everyone the agony of reading my ramblings. :-)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 01, 2018, 02:51:00 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on December 31, 2017, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on December 30, 2017, 01:53:20 PM
In case you missed it, Loras best Macalester last night 165-89... not a typo. Loras scored 100 points in the first half. I believe the 165 points was the most scored in any NCAA game this season.

Not too many takeaways from this game, as Macalester is not good and most of Loras' points were scored on wide open buckets. I suppose the one item of note is that freshman's Rowan McGowen is averaging over 13PPG for Loras after dropping 26 last night. Back at it tonight against Monmouth...

MAC in 2017 is one of the worst MIAC teams I have seen. Plus they started playing a variation of Grinnell system... not much take away is right.

Anyone have thoughts on Wartburg? They are ranked pretty high in d3hoops poll but I bet thats mostly due to good run in the NCAA last year and solid start, even though they dont have too many (maybe UWSP) good wins. I think they are solid but will be interesting to see how they do against Neb. Wes and Loras.

It should be known I really like this Prairie Wolves team.

Point hasn't been any good for two years and counting now.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 02, 2018, 10:15:45 AM
Wartburg beat by Augsburg. 68-64 on Saturday.

http://go-knights.net/news/2017/12/30/no-13-mens-basketball-falls-to-augsburg.asp

Herman and Sabus 23 each.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 02, 2018, 01:14:18 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on December 30, 2017, 01:53:20 PM
In case you missed it, Loras best Macalester last night 165-89... not a typo. Loras scored 100 points in the first half. I believe the 165 points was the most scored in any NCAA game this season.

Not too many takeaways from this game, as Macalester is not good and most of Loras' points were scored on wide open buckets. I suppose the one item of note is that freshman's Rowan McGowen is averaging over 13PPG for Loras after dropping 26 last night. Back at it tonight against Monmouth...

Follow up to my original post, worth noting that McGowen is shooting 52.2% from 3 for Loras this season. Really impressive start for the freshman.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 04, 2018, 07:24:45 AM
Wartburg beat Central 80-65. Gehling scores 15 to lead balanced scoring. Wartburg started game on 9-0 run  and lead by 10-20 points most of the game.

http://go-knights.net/news/2018/1/3/mens-basketball-gehling-nets-career-high-in-win-over-central.aspx

Conference home teams went 3-1 tonight. Only road team to win was BV winning @ NWU by 16. 91-75
Loras 98     U Dbq 91
Simpson 83 Luther 60
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 04, 2018, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 04, 2018, 07:24:45 AM
Wartburg beat Central 80-65. Gehling scores 15 to lead balanced scoring. Wartburg started game on 9-0 run  and lead by 10-20 points most of the game.

http://go-knights.net/news/2018/1/3/mens-basketball-gehling-nets-career-high-in-win-over-central.aspx

Conference home teams went 3-1 tonight. Only road team to win was BV winning @ NWU by 16. 91-75
Loras 98     U Dbq 91
Simpson 83 Luther 60


Anyone who attended the Loras-Dubuque game got to watch fireworks offensively. Dubuque senior guard TJ Lake dropped 50 - yes, 50 - points for Dubuque in the loss. Did it on 20 shots, too. Loras was led by junior Josh Ruggles, who scored 30 on 9-13 shooting (11-11FT). Two of the top three scorers in the IIAC this year, Lake and Ruggles did not disappoint.

As someone who follows Loras fairly closely, it was also great to see Duhawk junior Demond George put up a big game (22pts), as he's been struggling with injuries for much of the year. Looked good last night, though.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on January 04, 2018, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 04, 2018, 11:32:29 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on January 04, 2018, 07:24:45 AM
Wartburg beat Central 80-65. Gehling scores 15 to lead balanced scoring. Wartburg started game on 9-0 run  and lead by 10-20 points most of the game.

http://go-knights.net/news/2018/1/3/mens-basketball-gehling-nets-career-high-in-win-over-central.aspx

Conference home teams went 3-1 tonight. Only road team to win was BV winning @ NWU by 16. 91-75
Loras 98     U Dbq 91
Simpson 83 Luther 60


Anyone who attended the Loras-Dubuque game got to watch fireworks offensively. Dubuque senior guard TJ Lake dropped 50 - yes, 50 - points for Dubuque in the loss. Did it on 20 shots, too. Loras was led by junior Josh Ruggles, who scored 30 on 9-13 shooting (11-11FT). Two of the top three scorers in the IIAC this year, Lake and Ruggles did not disappoint.

As someone who follows Loras fairly closely, it was also great to see Duhawk junior Demond George put up a big game (22pts), as he's been struggling with injuries for much of the year. Looked good last night, though.

In the two games I followed yesterday, offensive onslaughts were put on full display. What Josh Ruggles has been doing in his first college season healthy is something awfully special though. The kid is an absolute baller and likely would have had much more than 30 save his 4 fouls. Truly a special competitor and better kid as I've been following him for most of his career from high school on.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 04, 2018, 12:05:18 PM
I was happy to see UD give Loras a run for their money.  Hopefully the Spartans can take this and build for the rest of the year. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 09, 2018, 11:51:11 PM
Quite a difference of opinion re NWU.

Matt Snyder has the *Plainsmen at #6
Massey has them in at #9
D3Hoops poll says they are #43!

* Forgive me. I understand the political correctness of the current mascot's name, but I played as a Plainsman and, as much as I've tried, I don't seem to be capable of being able to morph into a wolf.  :P
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 10, 2018, 09:35:38 AM
NWU is definitely a talented team, but their non-conference schedule appeared to be fairly weak.  Looks like the have Schimonitz (sp?) back, which is a huge addition with conference play in full swing.  Some big games this week. I've got to admit that BV has been a surprise so far this year.

Tonight
Luther @ Wartburg (Prediction Wartburg by 7)
NWU @ Loras (Loras by 1)
Simpson @ Coe (Simpson by 12)
BV @ UD (BV by 20)

Saturday
Loras @ BV (BV by 5)
Coe @ Central (Central by 8)
UD @ NWU (NWU by 15)
Wartburg @ Simpson (Wartburg by 9)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 11, 2018, 12:19:54 AM
Dubuque is still taking losses.  But they are giving the top teams a very hard time of it. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 11, 2018, 07:55:40 AM
Knights beat Luther 73-51.

6 point game at 1/2 Wartburg 40-34, Most of second frame was 10-15 range until it got to 23. Luther score 17 in 2nd and shot 27% and 1-13 from 3. Knights played tough defense.

http://go-knights.net/news/2018/1/10/no-21-mens-basketball-prevails-over-luther.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 11, 2018, 11:49:15 AM
Loras took down Nebraska Wesleyan at home in OT last night by a score of 97-87. Definitely becoming an intense/chippy rivalry between two teams who don't appear to like each other very much.

Scoring was incredibly balanced for NWU, with all five starters in double digits. Josh Ruggles led Loras with 20 points, Ryan DiCanio had a ridiculous 15 rebounds to go along with 13 points. Jordon Kedrowski had a nice game as well, with 14 points of his own. Demond George was big down the stretch with a few timely buckets. Loras back at it against Buena Vista Saturday....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on January 15, 2018, 11:41:48 PM
Over the century mark again for the Duhawks as they handle Central 109-92. Josh Ruggles with a stellar game to match a career high of 37 points to go along with 8 rebounds and 4 assists. Ruggles went a perfect 13-13 from the freethrow line, and only needed to hoist 13 shots for his 37 in 25 minutes of playing time. Matt Dacy-Seijo shot a blistering 5-5 from downtown and 5-6 overall for his total of 15 points. Ryan DiCanio turned in an effort of 16 points, 3 rebounds, and 4 assists.

To my knowledge, every player listed on the Duhawk's roster saw time tonight which is always a bonus for guys who may not see much varsity action. As a sidenote, maybe Aston Francis (of my Wheaton Thunder) could learn a thing or two from watching Josh Ruggles play, seeing as Francis managed 31 points on Saturday in a big rivalry game with North Central, but hoisted 25 shots compared to Ruggles' 13. Would love to see them match up with one another at some point before their college careers are over, and it would have been nice to have them on the same team here in Wheaton.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 16, 2018, 03:08:24 PM
Midway point in IIAC play.  Simpson has to be the hottest team in the league right now, winners of 6 straight, including W's over Loras and Wartburg.  As it stands currently...can't wait to try and sort out the tie breakers in this if the second half of the season is a repeat of the first.

6-2 Loras (Losses @Wartburg, @Simpson)
5-2 NWU (Losses vs. BV, @Loras)
5-2 BV (Losses vs. Loras, @Wartburg)
5-2 Wartburg (Losses @Coe, @Simpson)
5-2 Simpson (Losses @BV, @NWU)
3-4 Central
2-5 Coe
1-6 Dubuque
0-7 Luther

Wednesday
Simpson @ Central (Central by 5)
Wartburg @ NWU (NWU by 7)
Luther @ BV (BV by 20)
Coe @ Dubuque (UD by 8)
Loras on Bye

Saturday
Central @ Coe (Coe by 10)
NWU @ Dubuque (NWU by 15)
Loras @ Luther (Loras by 15)
Simpson @ BV (BV by 1)
Wartburg on Bye
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 16, 2018, 04:15:44 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on January 16, 2018, 03:08:24 PM
Midway point in IIAC play.  Simpson has to be the hottest team in the league right now, winners of 6 straight, including W's over Loras and Wartburg.  As it stands currently...can't wait to try and sort out the tie breakers in this if the second half of the season is a repeat of the first.

6-2 Loras (Losses @Wartburg, @Simpson)
5-2 NWU (Losses vs. BV, @Loras)
5-2 BV (Losses vs. Loras, @Wartburg)
5-2 Wartburg (Losses @Coe, @Simpson)
5-2 Simpson (Losses @BV, @NWU)
3-4 Central
2-5 Coe
1-6 Dubuque
0-7 Luther

Wednesday
Simpson @ Central (Central by 5)
Wartburg @ NWU (NWU by 7)
Luther @ BV (BV by 20)
Coe @ Dubuque (UD by 8)
Loras on Bye

Saturday
Central @ Coe (Coe by 10)
NWU @ Dubuque (NWU by 15)
Loras @ Luther (Loras by 15)
Simpson @ BV (BV by 1)
Wartburg on Bye

Here's a question for the forum: at the Conference half-way point, what does the All-Conference first team look like?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 16, 2018, 04:29:00 PM
So many talented players in the league this year, but right now...I'd have to take these 8 (MVP is in there somewhere)
TJ Lake
Sam Amsbaugh
Cooper Cook
Dion Wells-Ross
Josh Ruggles
Ryan DiCanio
David Jeffries
Jaran Sabus
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 18, 2018, 10:48:18 AM
Projections were fairly accurate, outside of course, NWU dismantling Wartburg.  Anyone catch the game?  I see NW shot 75% in second half. 

Simpson College  87   Central 93
Wartburg College  60  Nebraska Wesleyan  99   
Luther College  69  Buena Vista  87   
Coe  58  Dubuque  66


First time around
6-2 Nebraska Wesleyan
6-2 Buena Vista 
6-2 Loras 
5-3 Wartburg 
5-3 Simpson 
4-4 Central   
2-6 Dubuque 
2-6 Coe
0-8 Luther
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on January 19, 2018, 08:08:22 PM
Wesleyan played very well in the game against Wartburg. As mentioned, they shot 75% in the 2nd half. There were some tough shots at the end of the shot clock that went in, and then when the reserves came in at the end of the game, they kept the hot shooting going. Wesleyan was in a little bit of a shooting slump for a few games, but they seemed to have gotten out of it. Schimonitz has taken a few games to get back in the swing of things, but seems to be getting better every game now. The 2nd half of the conference season should be good, with 5 teams within 1 game of each other for the conference title.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on January 20, 2018, 05:39:24 PM
At the half, Josh Ruggles 20, Luther 20. We'll see if Luther can make the adjustment but Ruggles is dialed in.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 20, 2018, 07:11:09 PM
Quote from: duckfan41 on January 20, 2018, 05:39:24 PM
At the half, Josh Ruggles 20, Luther 20. We'll see if Luther can make the adjustment but Ruggles is dialed in.

Not surprisingly, Loras defeated Luther by a score of 85-38 tonight. Josh Ruggles led Loras with 26 points on 8-13 shooting, giving him 63 points on 17-26 shooting in two conference wins this week...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 21, 2018, 07:44:55 AM
NWU hits a 3 pointer with 6 seconds left to win by 1 over Dubuque.  The Spartans are working hard, still falling a bit short.  I like how this UD team continues to have a strong work ethic.  Better days are ahead for them. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on January 21, 2018, 10:39:32 AM
Dubuque is a scary team to play. As my son said after the game last night, "I hope we don't have to play them in the tournament". Dubuque is 3 games out of the 6th spot, so they are going to have to win a lot of their remaining games to get in, but if they do, watch out.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 24, 2018, 09:50:42 AM
Busy slate of IIAC hoops tonight:

Wartburg @ Loras (Massey Prediction: Loras-83, Wartburg-82)
NWU @ Luther (Massey Prediction: NWU-90, Luther-70)
BVU @ Coe (Massey Prediction: BVU-80, Coe-71)
UD @ Simpson (Massey Prediction: Simpson-83, UD-78)

No IIAC teams caught any love this week from the D3 rankings committee, though it's interesting to note that Massey has 4 IIAC teams in their top 26 (worthless, but still interesting).
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 24, 2018, 03:30:39 PM
The Wartburg-Loras matchup is the most intruging of the night. 

Loras by 3
NWU by 25
Coe by 4
Simpson by 8
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 25, 2018, 08:51:17 AM
Somewhat surprising results in 3/4 IIAC games last night:

Loras: 92, Wartburg: 75 - Junior Ryan DiCanio led the Duhawks with a near triple-double, & fresh off his conference player of the week honors, Josh Ruggles scored 21. This one was really never close.

NWU: 82, Luther: 70 - the one non-surprising score of the night, if anything it was only surprising that Luther stayed within 12.

Coe: 78, BVU: 65 - here's an upset for you. Only watched a bit of this one, but the Kohawks went on a 17-0 run before halftime that stretched into 22-0 in the second half. Balanced scoring for the Kohawks with four players in double-digits, BVU shot 39% from the field. Hard to win on the road in the IIAC!

UD: 80, Simpson: 76 - this may be an even bigger upset than the Coe win. UD goes on the road and beats Simpson behind 27 points from TJ Lake. Watched the last five minutes of this one and Dubuque flat out took it in crunch time. The difference was Simpson's inability to convert threes (25%, 6-24) or freethrows (58%, 18-31).

Big shifts in the conference standings after last night, with the top 6 looking like this:

Loras (8-2)
NWU (8-2)
BV (7-3)
Wartburg (5-4)
Central (5-4)
Simpson (5-5)
Dubuque (3-7)
Coe (3-7)
Luther (0-10)

Back at it Saturday, more to come....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 25, 2018, 09:16:08 AM
Thanks Hoosiersfan for these recaps.  And to dunkin, rigyank, AEN, and others for stepping up the conversation on here.  My work schedule has picked up this year so I haven't been able to follow closely at all.  Which is a shame, because it sounds like it's been a great year in the IIAC.  Crossing my fingers UD can pick up some more wins and make it into the conference tourney. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 25, 2018, 09:23:47 AM
Sounds like you were a busy individual last night.  The kiddos were under the weather, so had to tune in to the Loras/Wartburg game from the couch.  Not much flow to the game in the first half, some touchy fouls called and 20 FT's shot by the Knights.  Loras is looking like a well oiled machine. 

Looking at the stats from the NWU/Luther game, I was a little surprised to see that Schimonitz and Cook were under 30 minutes and that the Prairie Wolves didn't break the century mark.  Were there injuries to either of these two? 

That Coe/BV score is definitely an eye opener.  Coe has been on the verge of breaking through in a lot of games, this might be there turning point.  They will have a big one with Loras in Dubuque on Saturday.

UD beating Simpson is definitely an upset, but like Coe, have been close to beating some of the top teams (lost to NWU in the final seconds). 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 25, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 25, 2018, 09:16:08 AM
Thanks Hoosiersfan for these recaps.  And to dunkin, rigyank, AEN, and others for stepping up the conversation on here.  My work schedule has picked up this year so I haven't been able to follow closely at all.  Which is a shame, because it sounds like it's been a great year in the IIAC.  Crossing my fingers UD can pick up some more wins and make it into the conference tourney.

Glad to be able to help - I'm relatively new to the IIAC after following the CCIW for a few years, and I think that this league is grossly under-respected. The quality of basketball is high, several of the league's top players were recruited heavily by CCIW schools, and within the next few years, I imagine the IIAC will start getting the respect it deserves. In fact, two IIAC players (Ruggles & Cook) on the D3hoops team of the week this week...

Dunkin, couldn't agree more about the Loras-Wartburg first half. Incredibly sloppy with some fouls that left you scratching your head as a fan.

Not sure about any NWU injuries - if anyone knows,  I would be interested as well. At one point when I checked in, NWU was up 20. Low minutes for the team's stars may have been due to the blowout conditions of the game.

Dubuque is an interesting team, and everything goes through Lake. When he's really good, they're really good. Watched him drop 50 on Loras in an L a few weeks back, the game was a war the whole way through. Then goes 4-13 against Coe and they lose at home. He's a heck of a player - going to be interesting to see how UD aid next year without him.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on January 25, 2018, 10:35:20 PM
For NWU, in the case of Schimonitz, he had 2 fouls with about 10 minutes left in the first half, so he did not play the rest of the half. He did take a fall with about 7 or 8 minutes left in the game and did not return, so those are the reasons he did not have very many minutes.

Cook should have had more minutes in the box score, there was about a 5 minute stretch in the 2nd half where they did not have him in the game. He had come in for Wells-Ross, but the play by play did not show the substitution. The box score showed Wells-Ross with 36 minutes, but that should be decreased by about 5 minutes.

The season just seems to fly by, for NWU they only have 6 regular season games left. It should be an exciting end to the regular season.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 26, 2018, 03:26:22 PM
Saturdays slate

BV at Central...To much Kyle Smith for BV to handle...Central by 11
Coe at Loras...Coe will keep this one tight...Loras by 5
UD at Wartburg...Wartburg is undefeated at home....Wartburg by 5
NWU at Simpson...Matchup of the day...Simpson by 6
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 26, 2018, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 01, 2018, 02:51:00 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on December 31, 2017, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on December 30, 2017, 01:53:20 PM
In case you missed it, Loras best Macalester last night 165-89... not a typo. Loras scored 100 points in the first half. I believe the 165 points was the most scored in any NCAA game this season.

Not too many takeaways from this game, as Macalester is not good and most of Loras' points were scored on wide open buckets. I suppose the one item of note is that freshman's Rowan McGowen is averaging over 13PPG for Loras after dropping 26 last night. Back at it tonight against Monmouth...

MAC in 2017 is one of the worst MIAC teams I have seen. Plus they started playing a variation of Grinnell system... not much take away is right.

Anyone have thoughts on Wartburg? They are ranked pretty high in d3hoops poll but I bet thats mostly due to good run in the NCAA last year and solid start, even though they dont have too many (maybe UWSP) good wins. I think they are solid but will be interesting to see how they do against Neb. Wes and Loras.

It should be known I really like this Prairie Wolves team.

Point hasn't been any good for two years and counting now.

I haven't been over here in awhile and have been meaning to, but work and home life has been pretty busy lately. At this point, I suppose I can stand corrected as Stevens Point leads the WIAC with a 6-1 record, most recently losing to Oshkosh on the road.

Anyway, I love me some ruffles Ruggles! He's on my fantasy team and he just lights ups the boxscore. The IIAC is really shaping up to be a great conference race. As an outsider, I thought NWU would run away with the league. I thought, mistakenly, Wartburg's late run last year in the IIAC tourney and NCAA was a little flukey, so I wasn't sure how good they'd be this year. They took apart the Pointers, but have since tailed off a little. Shockingly (sarcasm), I know very little of the IIAC, but it's still enjoyable to check out the scores, standings and board. I want Wartburg to do well because then it makes Point's loss to them look better! Also, I'm rooting for Loras as, previously stated, I have Ruggles on my team.

I'm not sure about the SOSs of each team, but I've heard NWU's isn't very good. The IIAC seems like it's beating up on each other, so the losses are mounting up and their chances for Pool C bids go down. Loras, BVU and Wartburg already have 4, 5, and 6 losses. 6 to 7 conference games to go, so the margin of error is getting small. 5 teams within two games of 1st place. It's going to be a crazy 3 weeks or so.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 27, 2018, 10:49:24 AM
Happy Saturday, everyone. No better way to enjoy the day than a full slate of IIAC basketball, featuring every team in the league playing. Here's what we're looking at:

Buena Vista at Central: (Massey Prediction: BV-86, Central-80)
Coe at Loras: (Massey Prediction: Loras-90, Coe-78)
Dubuque at Wartburg: (Massey Prediction: Wartburg-79, UD-69)
Nebraska Wesleyan at Simpson: (Massey Prediction: NWU-90, Simpson-85)
Maranatha Baptist at Luther: (Massey Prediction: Luther-75, MBU-63)

Lots to watch, but I'm especially interested in Dubuque-Wartburg and NWU-Simpson. I'm no computer so this is based on gut alone, but I wouldn't be surprised to see Wartburg struggle with UD and Simpson will be playing with desperation after a few losses, so they may be able to pull the upset over NWU. Updates later...
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on January 27, 2018, 10:51:52 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on January 26, 2018, 03:26:22 PM
Saturdays slate

BV at Central...To much Kyle Smith for BV to handle...Central by 11
Coe at Loras...Coe will keep this one tight...Loras by 5
UD at Wartburg...Wartburg is undefeated at home....Wartburg by 5
NWU at Simpson...Matchup of the day...Simpson by 6

I missed this, Dunkin. Apologies - not trying to reinvent the wheel!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on January 27, 2018, 11:36:38 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 26, 2018, 04:59:11 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 01, 2018, 02:51:00 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on December 31, 2017, 01:03:30 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on December 30, 2017, 01:53:20 PM
In case you missed it, Loras best Macalester last night 165-89... not a typo. Loras scored 100 points in the first half. I believe the 165 points was the most scored in any NCAA game this season.

Not too many takeaways from this game, as Macalester is not good and most of Loras' points were scored on wide open buckets. I suppose the one item of note is that freshman's Rowan McGowen is averaging over 13PPG for Loras after dropping 26 last night. Back at it tonight against Monmouth...

MAC in 2017 is one of the worst MIAC teams I have seen. Plus they started playing a variation of Grinnell system... not much take away is right.

Anyone have thoughts on Wartburg? They are ranked pretty high in d3hoops poll but I bet thats mostly due to good run in the NCAA last year and solid start, even though they dont have too many (maybe UWSP) good wins. I think they are solid but will be interesting to see how they do against Neb. Wes and Loras.

It should be known I really like this Prairie Wolves team.

Point hasn't been any good for two years and counting now.

I haven't been over here in awhile and have been meaning to, but work and home life has been pretty busy lately. At this point, I suppose I can stand corrected as Stevens Point leads the WIAC with a 6-1 record, most recently losing to Oshkosh on the road.

Anyway, I love me some ruffles Ruggles! He's on my fantasy team and he just lights ups the boxscore. The IIAC is really shaping up to be a great conference race. As an outsider, I thought NWU would run away with the league. I thought, mistakenly, Wartburg's late run last year in the IIAC tourney and NCAA was a little flukey, so I wasn't sure how good they'd be this year. They took apart the Pointers, but have since tailed off a little. Shockingly (sarcasm), I know very little of the IIAC, but it's still enjoyable to check out the scores, standings and board. I want Wartburg to do well because then it makes Point's loss to them look better! Also, I'm rooting for Loras as, previously stated, I have Ruggles on my team.

I'm not sure about the SOSs of each team, but I've heard NWU's isn't very good. The IIAC seems like it's beating up on each other, so the losses are mounting up and their chances for Pool C bids go down. Loras, BVU and Wartburg already have 4, 5, and 6 losses. 6 to 7 conference games to go, so the margin of error is getting small. 5 teams within two games of 1st place. It's going to be a crazy 3 weeks or so.

The WIAC is brutal - loaded with so many good teams, every night is a war for every team in the league. You're right that standing 6-1 at this point is really impressive, SP looks legit from the perspective of an outsider who admittedly hasn't watched them live.


I want to talk about Ruggles for a minute, because I saw that Chris Martin made a bold statement in his post-game interview last Wednesday when he called Ruggles "one of the elite players in the country". I'm a CCIW fan and, more specifically, an avid Wheaton fan, and I was really disappointed when Wheaton wasn't able to keep Ruggles home (he played his high school ball at Wheaton-Warrenville South). People said then that he would be a D3 star, and I believed it. After two seasons spent dealing with all kinds of injuries, he's proving me right. 22.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 3.7 APG and no one's talking about the kid as an All-American candidate. Meanwhile, if you look over at the CCIW, everyone is already labeling Brady Rose an All-American (and he's a heck of a player so this isn't a shot at him) with virtually the same numbers (22.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 3.4 APG). I know the CCIW is the better league, but if you look at Massey (which I know is imperfect but it's still a good measuring stick) before writing it off as a difference in competition played, IWU's strength of schedule is 33rd in the country compared to Loras at 34th. Brady Rose probably is an All-American - but why isn't Ruggles in the same conversation?


There's also a legitimate argument to be made that Ruggles is the most efficient scorer in the country. He's shooting 51.2% from the field (125-224), 46.3% from three (68-147), and 92.7% from the FT line (102-110). I saw someone make the claim on twitter the other day that Ruggles is the only member of the 50-40-90 club in the country, so I dug into the numbers on the NCAA site and confirmed that this is true (using the NCAA minimums for attempts). This sparked my curiosity, so I started looking at historical numbers on the site and found that there has literally been one other player in D3 hoops in the past decade who has finished the season as a member of the 50-40-90 club.


If you want to chalk up the lack of buzz surrounding Ruggles to the fact that Loras isn't nationally ranked, fine, I won't argue with that. But I would genuinely be interested to hear from other CCIW/IIAC fans about what I'm missing here. In any case, I wish he was playing alongside Aston Francis for my Thunder!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2018, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: duckfan41 on January 27, 2018, 11:36:38 AM
The WIAC is brutal - loaded with so many good teams, every night is a war for every team in the league. You're right that standing 6-1 at this point is really impressive, SP looks legit from the perspective of an outsider who admittedly hasn't watched them live.


I want to talk about Ruggles for a minute, because I saw that Chris Martin made a bold statement in his post-game interview last Wednesday when he called Ruggles "one of the elite players in the country". I'm a CCIW fan and, more specifically, an avid Wheaton fan, and I was really disappointed when Wheaton wasn't able to keep Ruggles home (he played his high school ball at Wheaton-Warrenville South). People said then that he would be a D3 star, and I believed it. After two seasons spent dealing with all kinds of injuries, he's proving me right. 22.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 3.7 APG and no one's talking about the kid as an All-American candidate. Meanwhile, if you look over at the CCIW, everyone is already labeling Brady Rose an All-American (and he's a heck of a player so this isn't a shot at him) with virtually the same numbers (22.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 3.4 APG). I know the CCIW is the better league, but if you look at Massey (which I know is imperfect but it's still a good measuring stick) before writing it off as a difference in competition played, IWU's strength of schedule is 33rd in the country compared to Loras at 34th. Brady Rose probably is an All-American - but why isn't Ruggles in the same conversation?


There's also a legitimate argument to be made that Ruggles is the most efficient scorer in the country. He's shooting 51.2% from the field (125-224), 46.3% from three (68-147), and 92.7% from the FT line (102-110). I saw someone make the claim on twitter the other day that Ruggles is the only member of the 50-40-90 club in the country, so I dug into the numbers on the NCAA site and confirmed that this is true (using the NCAA minimums for attempts). This sparked my curiosity, so I started looking at historical numbers on the site and found that there has literally been one other player in D3 hoops in the past decade who has finished the season as a member of the 50-40-90 club.


If you want to chalk up the lack of buzz surrounding Ruggles to the fact that Loras isn't nationally ranked, fine, I won't argue with that. But I would genuinely be interested to hear from other CCIW/IIAC fans about what I'm missing here. In any case, I wish he was playing alongside Aston Francis for my Thunder!

Thanks for the insight Duckfan!! I had no clue he was that efficient, the 50-40-90 club is a incredibly impressive accomplishment. Who was the one other player to do it? Loras isn't in the national converstion but definitely one of the top teams in the West, and he will be recognized by the IIAC and All-Region teams for sure. I remembered reading an Around the Region article on him last year, he really has persevered injuries, great story, sounds like him his brother and his family really deserve this.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/west/2016-17/loras-ruggles-heart

Oh... and if Francis and Ruggles were on the same team:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/h1BPlDL63s1tC/giphy.gif)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on January 27, 2018, 12:20:46 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on January 27, 2018, 12:02:15 PM
Quote from: duckfan41 on January 27, 2018, 11:36:38 AM
The WIAC is brutal - loaded with so many good teams, every night is a war for every team in the league. You're right that standing 6-1 at this point is really impressive, SP looks legit from the perspective of an outsider who admittedly hasn't watched them live.


I want to talk about Ruggles for a minute, because I saw that Chris Martin made a bold statement in his post-game interview last Wednesday when he called Ruggles "one of the elite players in the country". I'm a CCIW fan and, more specifically, an avid Wheaton fan, and I was really disappointed when Wheaton wasn't able to keep Ruggles home (he played his high school ball at Wheaton-Warrenville South). People said then that he would be a D3 star, and I believed it. After two seasons spent dealing with all kinds of injuries, he's proving me right. 22.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 3.7 APG and no one's talking about the kid as an All-American candidate. Meanwhile, if you look over at the CCIW, everyone is already labeling Brady Rose an All-American (and he's a heck of a player so this isn't a shot at him) with virtually the same numbers (22.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 3.4 APG). I know the CCIW is the better league, but if you look at Massey (which I know is imperfect but it's still a good measuring stick) before writing it off as a difference in competition played, IWU's strength of schedule is 33rd in the country compared to Loras at 34th. Brady Rose probably is an All-American - but why isn't Ruggles in the same conversation?


There's also a legitimate argument to be made that Ruggles is the most efficient scorer in the country. He's shooting 51.2% from the field (125-224), 46.3% from three (68-147), and 92.7% from the FT line (102-110). I saw someone make the claim on twitter the other day that Ruggles is the only member of the 50-40-90 club in the country, so I dug into the numbers on the NCAA site and confirmed that this is true (using the NCAA minimums for attempts). This sparked my curiosity, so I started looking at historical numbers on the site and found that there has literally been one other player in D3 hoops in the past decade who has finished the season as a member of the 50-40-90 club.


If you want to chalk up the lack of buzz surrounding Ruggles to the fact that Loras isn't nationally ranked, fine, I won't argue with that. But I would genuinely be interested to hear from other CCIW/IIAC fans about what I'm missing here. In any case, I wish he was playing alongside Aston Francis for my Thunder!

Thanks for the insight Duckfan!! I had no clue he was that efficient, the 50-40-90 club is a incredibly impressive accomplishment. Who was the one other player to do it? Loras isn't in the national converstion but definitely one of the top teams in the West, and he will be recognized by the IIAC and All-Region teams for sure. I remembered reading an Around the Region article on him last year, he really has persevered injuries, great story, sounds like him his brother and his family really deserve this.

http://www.d3hoops.com/columns/around-the-region/west/2016-17/loras-ruggles-heart

Oh... and if Francis and Ruggles were on the same team:
(https://media.giphy.com/media/h1BPlDL63s1tC/giphy.gif)

Based on my research, the only other player to do it in the last 10 years was Colby Taylor from Central - believe it was two years ago, but may have even been last year. That season, he shot 53% from the field (196-370), 46.9% from three (69-147, coincidentally one more than Ruggles has hit in the same amount of shots this year), and 92.5% from the FT line (99-107). Others were close, others were in the club without reaching the NCAA minimum requirements for attempts, but only Ruggles and Taylor in the last decade according to the NCAA statistics.


I hear you on Loras not being on the national scene, and I appreciate that feedback. If Loras wins the IIAC and advances a few games into the national tournament, though, it seems to me that he should be in the conversation. Winning solves everything!

Also, that gif is probably the most accurate representation of what those two would look like on the court together for the same team!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 27, 2018, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: duckfan41 on January 27, 2018, 11:36:38 AM
I want to talk about Ruggles for a minute, because I saw that Chris Martin made a bold statement in his post-game interview last Wednesday when he called Ruggles "one of the elite players in the country". I'm a CCIW fan and, more specifically, an avid Wheaton fan, and I was really disappointed when Wheaton wasn't able to keep Ruggles home (he played his high school ball at Wheaton-Warrenville South). People said then that he would be a D3 star, and I believed it. After two seasons spent dealing with all kinds of injuries, he's proving me right. 22.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 3.7 APG and no one's talking about the kid as an All-American candidate. Meanwhile, if you look over at the CCIW, everyone is already labeling Brady Rose an All-American (and he's a heck of a player so this isn't a shot at him) with virtually the same numbers (22.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 3.4 APG). I know the CCIW is the better league, but if you look at Massey (which I know is imperfect but it's still a good measuring stick) before writing it off as a difference in competition played, IWU's strength of schedule is 33rd in the country compared to Loras at 34th. Brady Rose probably is an All-American - but why isn't Ruggles in the same conversation?


Ruggles is in the same conversation.  It just takes someone to start to conversation.   
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on January 27, 2018, 04:10:54 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 27, 2018, 04:05:11 PM
Quote from: duckfan41 on January 27, 2018, 11:36:38 AM
I want to talk about Ruggles for a minute, because I saw that Chris Martin made a bold statement in his post-game interview last Wednesday when he called Ruggles "one of the elite players in the country". I'm a CCIW fan and, more specifically, an avid Wheaton fan, and I was really disappointed when Wheaton wasn't able to keep Ruggles home (he played his high school ball at Wheaton-Warrenville South). People said then that he would be a D3 star, and I believed it. After two seasons spent dealing with all kinds of injuries, he's proving me right. 22.1 PPG, 4.6 RPG, 3.7 APG and no one's talking about the kid as an All-American candidate. Meanwhile, if you look over at the CCIW, everyone is already labeling Brady Rose an All-American (and he's a heck of a player so this isn't a shot at him) with virtually the same numbers (22.8 PPG, 2.8 RPG, 3.4 APG). I know the CCIW is the better league, but if you look at Massey (which I know is imperfect but it's still a good measuring stick) before writing it off as a difference in competition played, IWU's strength of schedule is 33rd in the country compared to Loras at 34th. Brady Rose probably is an All-American - but why isn't Ruggles in the same conversation?


Ruggles is in the same conversation.  It just takes someone to start to conversation.

Well then I guess we can consider the conversation started 😊
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 27, 2018, 08:36:42 PM
Posters need to keep predicting Dubuque to lose. I think they are 3-0 after whoever picks them to lose. Road win @ Wartburg today!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 29, 2018, 02:53:43 PM
Checking out the Pool C board and things don't look good for the IIAC. Looks like it'll be another year of just one NCAA tourney bid. Nebraska Wesleyan's SOS won't win them any votes, Loras is listed as a friend contender and Wartburg and Buena Vista are nowhere to be found.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 29, 2018, 03:13:50 PM
Still a lot of basketball to be played.  A Loras, NWU, BV winning out in the regular season could get them back into the conversation for a 2 bid, should someone else win the tournament.  Wouldn't be and won't be an easy task for any of them as they each have to play one another yet, on top of playing teams that are still vying for a conference tournament bid.  This league is deep and should be getting more recognition on the national stage than it is.  That was non more apparent than Saturday as Coe beat Loras, UD beat Wartburg, and Simpson beat NWU.  So many talented teams. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on January 29, 2018, 03:54:32 PM
I really do think that 4/5 IIAC teams could win at least a game or two in the NCAA tourney. Unfortunately, part of the problem about the IIAC is that they aren't scheduling well enough in the non-conference season to be considered for an at large. Wartburg and Simpson both played multiple non-D3, which do not count in primary criteria. NWU has a below .500 SOS, which makes it incredibly hard to get the NCAA birth in March. Loras has the best chance as of right now, but they only have a .524 SOS with a .750 WP, which puts them on the bubble and probably on the wrong side of it.

Another part of the problem is that the top of the league is beating up on each other, much like the WIAC.

Like what Dunkin said, I think for the IIAC needs to root for Loras (maybe BVU) to win out and then lose the Playoff championship game in order to get two teams into the NCAA.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 29, 2018, 04:27:19 PM
Well, I'm rooting for Loras because Ruggles is the man. LOL
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 29, 2018, 04:49:55 PM
I'll cheer for Loras once they are in the NCAA tourney...but not a moment sooner  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on January 29, 2018, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 29, 2018, 04:27:19 PM
Well, I'm rooting for Loras because Ruggles is the man. LOL

I, too, will be rooting for Loras. Love their team and how they play! Having Josh Ruggles on their roster certainly doesn't hurt either!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 31, 2018, 09:01:53 AM
Tonights slate of games.

Loras at Central...Loras by 5
Coe at NWU...NWU by 21
Wartburg at BV...BV by 12
Simpson at Luther...Simpson by 15

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 01, 2018, 09:56:12 AM
BV, Loras and NWU all hold serve. The next three game days have the top three, all 9-3, playing each other. The 1st regional rankings come out next week so it will be interesting where any of these teams fall. Loras probably has the best SOS, but NWU has the best record (and probably the worst SOS of the 3). Loras doesn't play this weekend, so they are safe from defeat. But NWU plays at BVU.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 01, 2018, 03:01:40 PM
This next week is going to be CRAZY.  As it always seem, the last couple weeks have so many tournament implications.  May be a safe bet that BV, Loras, NWU, and Simpson will end up with the top 4 seeds.  With Coe and Dubuque nipping at the heels of Wartburg and Central, I'm not certain who will be the odd ones out.  Coe has been playing extremely well as of late, knocking off BV and Loras, while Wartburg has lost 4 straight. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 04, 2018, 11:31:44 AM
Been a busy week on the homefront, just catching up on a whole lot of IIAC action from yesterday:

Wartburg: 85, Simpson: 77
Central: 85, Dubuque: 78
NWU: 85, BV: 74
Coe: 86, Luther: 78

Not much surprising here from my perspective, Wartburg snapped a brutal 4-game losing and NWU picked up a huge road win over BV but that's about it. Huge week of IIAC play ahead, with Loras playing both Nebraska Wesleyan (at NWU) & Buena Vista (at Loras). NWU plays at Wartburg, too. Real teams separated from the pretenders by this time next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 05, 2018, 02:46:57 PM
Heading into the last 2 weeks.  Here's how things stand...NWU, Loras, and BV have all clinched a spot in the IIAC Tournament.

10-3 NWU (vs. Loras, @Wartburg, vs. Central, BYE)
9-3   Loras (@NWU, vs. BV, vs. Simpson, @UD)
9-4   BV (vs.UD, @Loras, BYE, @Luther)
7-6   Simpson (vs.Central, BYE, @Loras, vs.Coe)
6-6   Wartburg (@Luther, vs.NWU, vs.Coe, @Central)
6-6   Central (@Simpson, vs.Luther, @NWU, vs.Wartburg)
5-8   Coe (BYE, vs.UD, @Wartburg, @Simpson)
4-8   Dubuque (@BV, @Coe, vs.Luther, vs.Loras)
0-12 Luther (vs.Wartburg, @Central, @UD, vs.BV)

Predictions on how things shake out...NWU beats Loras, but losses to Wartburg. Loras goes 3-1 and gets tiebreaker over NWU (Loras 2-0 vs. BV, NWU 1-1).  Wartburg gets tiebreaker over Central with W over Loras.

12-4    Loras
12-4    NWU
11-5    BV
9-7     Simpson
8-8     Wartburg
8-8     Central
7-9     Coe
5-11   Dubuque
0-16   Luther
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 06, 2018, 10:11:08 AM
Ultimately irrelevant but interesting nonetheless, new Massey rankings came out last night and IIAC steams aren't looking half bad:

#6 Nebraska Wesleyan (48th SOS, projected to finish 2-1)
#21 Loras (34th SOS, projected to finish 2-2)
#23 Buena Vista (36th SOS, projected to finish 2-1)
#33 Wartburg (7th SOS, projected to finish 3-1)
#57 Simpson (14th SOS, projected to finish 2-1)
#71 Dubuque (41st SOS, projected to finish 2-2)
#85 Central (27th SOS, projected to finish 2-2)
#127 Coe (35th SOS, projected to finish 1-2)
#270 Luther (59th SOS, projected to finish 0-4)

All of this is good for the IIAC coming in as the 4th best conference in D3 hoops behind WIAC, CCIW, & Ohio Conference in that order. Would love for this to mean two IIAC teams in the tournament, but who knows?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 06, 2018, 11:07:11 AM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 06, 2018, 10:11:08 AM
Ultimately irrelevant but interesting nonetheless, new Massey rankings came out last night and IIAC steams aren't looking half bad:

#6 Nebraska Wesleyan (48th SOS, projected to finish 2-1)
#21 Loras (34th SOS, projected to finish 2-2)
#23 Buena Vista (36th SOS, projected to finish 2-1)
#33 Wartburg (7th SOS, projected to finish 3-1)
#57 Simpson (14th SOS, projected to finish 2-1)
#71 Dubuque (41st SOS, projected to finish 2-2)
#85 Central (27th SOS, projected to finish 2-2)
#127 Coe (35th SOS, projected to finish 1-2)
#270 Luther (59th SOS, projected to finish 0-4)

All of this is good for the IIAC coming in as the 4th best conference in D3 hoops behind WIAC, CCIW, & Ohio Conference in that order. Would love for this to mean two IIAC teams in the tournament, but who knows?

It looks like a long shot unfortunately.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 07, 2018, 12:49:30 PM
It's Wednesday, which means IIAC hoops. Here's what we have to look forward to tonight:

Loras at Nebraska Wesleyan (Massey Prediction: NWU-98, Loras-90)
Wartburg at Luther (Massey Prediction: Wartburg-78, Luther-63)
Central at Simpson (Massey Prediction: Simpson-87, Central-80)
Dubuque at Buena Vista (Massey Prediction: BV-83, UD-76)

Conference championship implications in Nebraska as two teams who really don't like each other go head-to-head. We'll know a lot more about the conference tournament outlook tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 07, 2018, 05:46:59 PM
Men's first regional rankings this season: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 07, 2018, 10:58:43 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan has a good night.

NWU takes care of Loras 108-92
Dubuque wins @ BVU 92-84
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 07, 2018, 11:05:55 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 07, 2018, 10:58:43 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan has a good night.

NWU takes care of Loras 108-92
Dubuque wins @ BVU 92-84


NWU shoots 69% against a pitiful Loras defense, which is somehow even higher than the percentage Josh Ruggles shot (14-21) for Loras on his way to 42 points.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 08, 2018, 08:01:50 AM
Wartburg beats Luther 77-59.

33-32 Wart @ 1/2 and started second half on 24-6 run to put it away. Kickbush and Sabus 20pt each. Gehling 12 points.


Not gonna lie, I was a little nervous about LC getting conference win #1 against the Knights. Coach Franzen seems to get one against WC when you least expect it.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 08, 2018, 01:58:49 PM
Loras looked a step and a half slow in the first half.  They put together a nice run and were able to get within striking distance, but back to back 3's by NWU extended the lead for good.  Duhawks will need some help from Wartburg and/or Central to get a shot a the regular season title.  Another big one Saturday with BV coming to Dubuque.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 10, 2018, 08:07:52 AM
Nearing the end of the season already.

The schedule for today... 

Buena Vista @ Loras       
Luther @ Central       
Nebraska Wesleyan @ Wartburg       
Dubuque @ Coe 

BVU and Loras will be two teams with a lot to play for.
Luther desperate for their 1st conference victory...Central desperate to stay in the top 6
NWU wants to stay 1 game up in the standings...Wartburg wants to defend their home court
Dubuque and Coe only 1 game out of a playoff spot and wanting a win 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 11, 2018, 05:09:03 PM
Standings heading into the final week...

12-3  NWU (vs. Central, BYE)
10-4  Loras (vs. Simpson, at UD)
9-6    BV (BYE, at Luther)
8-6    Simpson (at Loras, vs Coe)
7-7    Wartburg (vs Coe, at Central)
7-7    Central (at NWU, vs Wartburg)
6-8    UD (vs. Luther, vs Loras)
5-9    Coe (at Wartburg, at Simpson)
0-14  Luther (at UD, vs. BV)

Way to may scenarios to go through to determine seedings for me.  The easy ones, NWU is the #1 with win over Central, Loras #2 with win over Simpson (#1 with wins over Simpson/UD and NWU loss to Central), and Wartburg can eliminate Coe from contention with a win on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 14, 2018, 09:21:34 AM
Last regular season game of the year for prospective conference champ Nebraska Wesleyan, and a full slate of IIAC games for everyone but BV:

Central at Nebraska Wesleyan: (Massey Prediction: NWU-97, Central-81)
Coe at Wartburg: (Massey Prediction: Wartburg-74, Coe-64)
Simpson at Loras: (Massey Prediction: Loras-94, Simpson-88)
Luther at Dubuque: (Massey Prediction: Dubuque-84, Luther-66)

Barring something totally unforeseen (Massey gives NWU a 93% chance of winning tonight), NWU should lock up the IIAC tonight. Loras besting Simpson would give them second, which is pretty much what we've all expected for the past few months.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2018, 01:58:09 PM
These things are here:
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 14, 2018, 02:00:49 PM
Still a ton at stake for teams 2-7. 

New regional rankings are out.  NWU jumps all the way from the #7 spot last week to #4.  Loras drops from #6 to #7, and BV drops out. 

I am a little shocked that NWU jumped 3 spots.  Sure they defeated Loras, but it was a season split between the 2.  Games vs. RRO has NWU at 2-2 (wins over BV and Loras, losses to BV and Loras.  Loras would be at 3-2 (2 wins over BV, 1 over NWU with a loss to NWU and Augsburg). 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2018, 02:12:35 PM
One thing to consider is that this second set also takes into account results against regionally ranked opponents, which was not included last week. It's results vs. last week's regionally ranked teams, if that helps.

They passed Whitworth (who lost once, but to the region's No. 1) and Augsburg, who lost twice.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 14, 2018, 02:13:26 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 14, 2018, 02:00:49 PM
Still a ton at stake for teams 2-7. 

New regional rankings are out.  NWU jumps all the way from the #7 spot last week to #4.  Loras drops from #6 to #7, and BV drops out. 

I am a little shocked that NWU jumped 3 spots.  Sure they defeated Loras, but it was a season split between the 2.  Games vs. RRO has NWU at 2-2 (wins over BV and Loras, losses to BV and Loras.  Loras would be at 3-2 (2 wins over BV, 1 over NWU with a loss to NWU and Augsburg).

I was also shocked my NWU jumping up so much, specifically over Whitworth. Good for the prairie wolves, I think they are a great team, I just wasn't sure if the NCAA would see their resume as such, but it appears they do!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 14, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
Final scores...

NWU 104-80 over Central
Loras 87-86 over Simpson
Wartburg 72-69 over Coe in OT
Dubuque 84-71 over Luther

Did anyone else see the end of the Wartburg game?  The clock kept running for about 10 seconds after play stopped.  Took it all the way down to 7.3 seconds left.  Hard to believe no one on the floor saw that.  Or is the game clock and what we see on the screen 2 different things possibly?

I'll let someone else post the standings and what possibilities exist for the Saturday games. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 15, 2018, 12:13:16 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 14, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
Or is the game clock and what we see on the screen 2 different things possibly?

Depends by the school. Some places hook the scoreboard into their broadcast, some do a camera inset of the clock and another way to do it is to have a person manually operate a clock on the scoreboard graphic. That last version is certainly subject to that sort of thing, either accidental or intentional if needed to sync broadcast clock with scoreboard clock.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 15, 2018, 12:24:07 AM
Watching the Wesleyan game at Wartburg last Saturday, the clock on screen was not synced up very well with the actual game clock. So I would guess that the actual game clock was not running.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 15, 2018, 01:12:06 AM
I just watched the last few seconds of tonights Wartburg game, the game clock was already stopped at 7.3 seconds as the clock on the screen kept running.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 15, 2018, 01:17:28 AM
I have a question for the board. How does a poster give another poster "karma"? Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2018, 02:13:34 AM
Quote from: rlgyank on February 15, 2018, 01:17:28 AM
I have a question for the board. How does a poster give another poster "karma"? Thanks in advance.

Once you get to 200 posts you are then able to give karma or smite someone. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 15, 2018, 08:55:28 AM
Quote from: rlgyank on February 15, 2018, 01:12:06 AM
I just watched the last few seconds of tonights Wartburg game, the game clock was already stopped at 7.3 seconds as the clock on the screen kept running.

It is  an issue with broadcast clock, not the clock in the arena. If you re-watch and see the clock on scoreboard or above the back board, it stops but tv clock goes until it catches up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 15, 2018, 08:56:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 14, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
Final scores...

NWU 104-80 over Central
Loras 87-86 over Simpson
Wartburg 72-69 over Coe in OT
Dubuque 84-71 over Luther

Did anyone else see the end of the Wartburg game?  The clock kept running for about 10 seconds after play stopped.  Took it all the way down to 7.3 seconds left.  Hard to believe no one on the floor saw that.  Or is the game clock and what we see on the screen 2 different things possibly?

I'll let someone else post the standings and what possibilities exist for the Saturday games.

It is  an issue with broadcast clock, not the clock in the arena. If you re-watch and see the clock on scoreboard or above the back board, it stops but tv clock goes until it catches up.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2018, 09:15:57 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 15, 2018, 08:56:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 14, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
Final scores...

NWU 104-80 over Central
Loras 87-86 over Simpson
Wartburg 72-69 over Coe in OT
Dubuque 84-71 over Luther

Did anyone else see the end of the Wartburg game?  The clock kept running for about 10 seconds after play stopped.  Took it all the way down to 7.3 seconds left.  Hard to believe no one on the floor saw that.  Or is the game clock and what we see on the screen 2 different things possibly?

I'll let someone else post the standings and what possibilities exist for the Saturday games.

It is  an issue with broadcast clock, not the clock in the arena. If you re-watch and see the clock on scoreboard or above the back board, it stops but tv clock goes until it catches up.

Thanks.  A few seconds later the pbp guy mentioned there was not 52 seconds left, but 5.2 and then it got fixed so that made me think there was probably two different clocks going on there.  Or that's what I was hoping was the case. 

Figuring out 3rd through 6th on Saturday could get interesting.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 15, 2018, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2018, 02:12:35 PM
One thing to consider is that this second set also takes into account results against regionally ranked opponents, which was not included last week. It's results vs. last week's regionally ranked teams, if that helps.

They passed Whitworth (who lost once, but to the region's No. 1) and Augsburg, who lost twice.

If that's the case.  Loras went 1-1 over RRO last week and still finds themselves behind Augsburg who went 0-2.  The final rankings are the only ones that matter, but it seems odd to me that they aren't flip flopped.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 15, 2018, 09:23:31 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 15, 2018, 09:15:57 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on February 15, 2018, 08:56:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 14, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
Final scores...

NWU 104-80 over Central
Loras 87-86 over Simpson
Wartburg 72-69 over Coe in OT
Dubuque 84-71 over Luther

Did anyone else see the end of the Wartburg game?  The clock kept running for about 10 seconds after play stopped.  Took it all the way down to 7.3 seconds left.  Hard to believe no one on the floor saw that.  Or is the game clock and what we see on the screen 2 different things possibly?

I'll let someone else post the standings and what possibilities exist for the Saturday games.

It is  an issue with broadcast clock, not the clock in the arena. If you re-watch and see the clock on scoreboard or above the back board, it stops but tv clock goes until it catches up.

Thanks.  A few seconds later the pbp guy mentioned there was not 52 seconds left, but 5.2 and then it got fixed so that made me think there was probably two different clocks going on there.  Or that's what I was hoping was the case. 

Figuring out 3rd through 6th on Saturday could get interesting.

I just talked to college's broadcast engineer and made him aware, he will investigate and try to fix the issue.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 15, 2018, 09:24:03 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 15, 2018, 09:22:09 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 14, 2018, 02:12:35 PM
One thing to consider is that this second set also takes into account results against regionally ranked opponents, which was not included last week. It's results vs. last week's regionally ranked teams, if that helps.

They passed Whitworth (who lost once, but to the region's No. 1) and Augsburg, who lost twice.

If that's the case.  Loras went 1-1 over RRO last week and still finds themselves behind Augsburg who went 0-2.  The final rankings are the only ones that matter, but it seems odd to me that they aren't flip flopped.

Head to head.  Augsburg beat Loras this year.  That's why it's flipped.  You're right, the other numbers don't justify it, but head to head is a primary criteria.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 15, 2018, 09:29:42 AM
Going to be a wild Saturday.  NWU locked up the regular season title last night with their win over Central and with Loras's win over Simpson, they have secured the 2 seed.  BV would appear to be a lock at the 3 assuming they take care of Luther.  Then it gets CRAZY.  Simpson and Wartburg are tied at 8-7, UD and Central at 7-8.  Only 3 are going to make the tournament.  If they happen to all finish with an 8-8 record, UD is the odd man out having gone 2-4 vs. the other 3.  Central (5-1) would be the 4 seed, Simpson (3-3, 1-1 vs NWU) the 5, Wartburg (3-3, 0-2 vs NWU) the 6.  That's the easy part to figure out.  Today's lesson plan is for the kids to figure who gets what seed based on all the tie breakers.  Should be a fun little project.  Stay tuned.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 15, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 14, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
Final scores...

NWU 104-80 over Central
Loras 87-86 over Simpson
Wartburg 72-69 over Coe in OT
Dubuque 84-71 over Luther

Did anyone else see the end of the Wartburg game?  The clock kept running for about 10 seconds after play stopped.  Took it all the way down to 7.3 seconds left.  Hard to believe no one on the floor saw that.  Or is the game clock and what we see on the screen 2 different things possibly?

I'll let someone else post the standings and what possibilities exist for the Saturday games.

Fun night of IIAC hoops, especially the Wartburg/Coe & Loras/Simpson games. Had both up on split screen at my house and couldn't figure out which to watch down the stretch.

As the regular season wraps up, I want to comment on a post from a few weeks back (you'll have to excuse me for not having the board all figured out yet, not sure how to quote two posts in one). The post was about Loras' Josh Ruggles and his standing as an All-American candidate. I didn't comment at the time because quite frankly, I hadn't really thought about the kid in that light before that post - maybe because of the way he burst onto the scene just this year after missing most of last season with a heart issue. But the more I've watched him, the more I've realized that he really is having an All-American-caliber season. And whenever the lights are brightest, he's performing.

I won't revisit every number shared by duckfan in the original post, but his efficiency is ridiculous and those numbers at least are worth revisiting. 22.2 PPG while shooting 50% FG, 46.7% 3PT, 90.5% FT is the kind of thing that no other player in the country is doing. He's the go-to guy for Loras & the most efficient scorer in the country. But if we're being honest, Ruggles probably isn't going to be an all-American this year - Loras hasn't won enough, he's not a senior, and the IIAC isn't the biggest stage.

What he should be, though, is IIAC Offensive Player of the Year. I bring this up because over the past two games, I've watched him score 42 on Nebraska Wesleyan & 29 on Simpson, and since the Duhawks fell short of a conference title, I'm preparing for the IIAC coaches to give the award to an NWU player instead. Don't get me wrong - I have all the respect in the world for guys like Cooper Cook & Schimonitz, but if either of those two gets the honor while averaging 6-7PPG less and shooting significantly worse from the field, the award might as well be renamed "Best Offensive Player on the Best Team", because neither of those two is the most dominant offensive player in the IIAC and I think anyone who has followed the league this year would agree.

A small caveat: if the award doesn't go to Ruggles, it belongs to TJ Lake. His efficiency is also nowhere near Ruggles, but if I'm going to be consistent in my argument that winning conference shouldn't be the only factor that matters when awarding MVP honors, then Lake deserves consideration as well. He and Ruggles are two of the most dominant offensive players in the country, and I hope the conference treats them as such.

Time to hop off my soap box - looking forward to another group of great IIAC games on Saturday & what should be a really fun tournament next week.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2018, 10:39:10 AM
Hey AEN, as long as it's not actually happening at the game it's not a big deal.  I was just kind of freaking out at the time thinking Coe might have been screwed out of a few seconds late in a tight game.  If it's not effecting them on the court I can deal with it.  Wartburg offers a clear screen and decent announcers...which is appreciated. 

Speaking as a Dubuque fan...I hope we don't end up with a 4 way tie at 8-8  ;D

As for talking about the conference MVP, I like that we have progressed as a group that we feel like we can talk about this.  About 10 years ago on the football side of the board there were a number of posters that thought the MVP automatically went to the best player on the best team and discussing it further was a waste of time and made them angry. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 15, 2018, 10:44:39 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 15, 2018, 10:39:10 AM
Hey AEN, as long as it's not actually happening at the game it's not a big deal.  I was just kind of freaking out at the time thinking Coe might have been screwed out of a few seconds late in a tight game.  If it's not effecting them on the court I can deal with it.  Wartburg offers a clear screen and decent announcers...which is appreciated. 

Speaking as a Dubuque fan...I hope we don't end up with a 4 way tie at 8-8  ;D

As for talking about the conference MVP, I like that we have progressed as a group that we feel like we can talk about this.  About 10 years ago on the football side of the board there were a number of posters that thought the MVP automatically went to the best player on the best team and discussing it further was a waste of time and made them angry.

This AM we determined difference starts to occur once the game clock goes under 1:00 and the longer the the game goes without a whistle the larger the difference.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 15, 2018, 06:24:22 PM
This is how I have it sorted out. Wesleyan will be the #1 seed, Loras the #2 seed, Buena Vista the #3 seed. Simpson and Wartburg have clinched a spot, just depends on what seed they are. The last spot comes down to Central or Dubuque.

The first column below will be the combination of who wins the 4 different games. After that will be what seed each team will be.

Loras, BVU, Coe, Wartburg                   (4) Wartburg (5) Simpson (6) Central

Loras, BVU, Coe, Central                       (4) Simpson (5) Wartburg (6) Central

Loras, BVU, Simpson, Wartburg             (4) Simpson, (5) Wartburg (6) Central

Loras, BVU, Simpson, Central                 (4) Simpson (5) Wartburg (6) Central

Loras, Luther, Coe, Wartburg                  (4) Wartburg (5) Simpson (6) Central

Loras, Luther, Coe, Central                     (4) Simpson (5) Wartburg (6) Central

Loras, Luther, Simpson, Wartburg            (4) Simpson (5) Wartburg (6) Central

Loras, Luther, Simpson, Central               (4) Simpson (5) Wartburg (6) Central

Dubuque, BVU, Coe, Wartburg                 (4) Wartburg (5) Simpson (6) Dubuque

Dubuque, BVU, Coe, Central                     (4) Central (5) Simpson (6) Wartburg

Dubuque, BVU, Simpson, Wartburg           (4) Simpson (5) Wartburg (6) Dubuque

Dubuque, BVU, Simpson, Central               (4) Simpson (5) Central (6) Wartburg

Dubuque, Luther, Coe, Wartburg                (4) Wartburg (5) Simpson (6) Dubuque

Dubuque, Luther, Coe, Central                    (4) Central (5) Simpson (6) Wartburg

Dubuque, Luther, Simpson, Wartburg           (4) Simpson, (5) Wartburg (6) Dubuque

Dubuque, Luther, Simpson, Central              (4) Simpson, (5) Central (6) Wartburg

Hopefully I typed all of that in correctly.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 15, 2018, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 15, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 14, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
Final scores...

NWU 104-80 over Central
Loras 87-86 over Simpson
Wartburg 72-69 over Coe in OT
Dubuque 84-71 over Luther

Did anyone else see the end of the Wartburg game?  The clock kept running for about 10 seconds after play stopped.  Took it all the way down to 7.3 seconds left.  Hard to believe no one on the floor saw that.  Or is the game clock and what we see on the screen 2 different things possibly?

I'll let someone else post the standings and what possibilities exist for the Saturday games.

Fun night of IIAC hoops, especially the Wartburg/Coe & Loras/Simpson games. Had both up on split screen at my house and couldn't figure out which to watch down the stretch.

As the regular season wraps up, I want to comment on a post from a few weeks back (you'll have to excuse me for not having the board all figured out yet, not sure how to quote two posts in one). The post was about Loras' Josh Ruggles and his standing as an All-American candidate. I didn't comment at the time because quite frankly, I hadn't really thought about the kid in that light before that post - maybe because of the way he burst onto the scene just this year after missing most of last season with a heart issue. But the more I've watched him, the more I've realized that he really is having an All-American-caliber season. And whenever the lights are brightest, he's performing.

I won't revisit every number shared by duckfan in the original post, but his efficiency is ridiculous and those numbers at least are worth revisiting. 22.2 PPG while shooting 50% FG, 46.7% 3PT, 90.5% FT is the kind of thing that no other player in the country is doing. He's the go-to guy for Loras & the most efficient scorer in the country. But if we're being honest, Ruggles probably isn't going to be an all-American this year - Loras hasn't won enough, he's not a senior, and the IIAC isn't the biggest stage.

What he should be, though, is IIAC Offensive Player of the Year. I bring this up because over the past two games, I've watched him score 42 on Nebraska Wesleyan & 29 on Simpson, and since the Duhawks fell short of a conference title, I'm preparing for the IIAC coaches to give the award to an NWU player instead. Don't get me wrong - I have all the respect in the world for guys like Cooper Cook & Schimonitz, but if either of those two gets the honor while averaging 6-7PPG less and shooting significantly worse from the field, the award might as well be renamed "Best Offensive Player on the Best Team", because neither of those two is the most dominant offensive player in the IIAC and I think anyone who has followed the league this year would agree.

A small caveat: if the award doesn't go to Ruggles, it belongs to TJ Lake. His efficiency is also nowhere near Ruggles, but if I'm going to be consistent in my argument that winning conference shouldn't be the only factor that matters when awarding MVP honors, then Lake deserves consideration as well. He and Ruggles are two of the most dominant offensive players in the country, and I hope the conference treats them as such.

Time to hop off my soap box - looking forward to another group of great IIAC games on Saturday & what should be a really fun tournament next week.

There is no IIAC offensive player of the year award. There is a most valuable player award and a defensive player of the year award. I looked back about 4 or 5 years, and the MVP award has gone to a player on the first place team. I am most familiar with last year, and Cooper Cook did not have the best offensive stats. It looked like Colby Taylor from Central had the best offensive stats, but in my opinion it would be tough to give a player on the 5th place team the Most Valuable player award.

Josh Ruggles is a very good offensive player, no doubt. I watched him light up Wesleyan for 42 points. If he won the MVP award, I would have no problem with that, as Loras did come in 2nd place. But if someone on Wesleyan wins it, that would not surprise me either. The coaches vote on these awards, and I think they realize that to be an MVP, your team has to have done pretty well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2018, 11:04:29 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on February 15, 2018, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 15, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 14, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
Final scores...

NWU 104-80 over Central
Loras 87-86 over Simpson
Wartburg 72-69 over Coe in OT
Dubuque 84-71 over Luther

Did anyone else see the end of the Wartburg game?  The clock kept running for about 10 seconds after play stopped.  Took it all the way down to 7.3 seconds left.  Hard to believe no one on the floor saw that.  Or is the game clock and what we see on the screen 2 different things possibly?

I'll let someone else post the standings and what possibilities exist for the Saturday games.

Fun night of IIAC hoops, especially the Wartburg/Coe & Loras/Simpson games. Had both up on split screen at my house and couldn't figure out which to watch down the stretch.

As the regular season wraps up, I want to comment on a post from a few weeks back (you'll have to excuse me for not having the board all figured out yet, not sure how to quote two posts in one). The post was about Loras' Josh Ruggles and his standing as an All-American candidate. I didn't comment at the time because quite frankly, I hadn't really thought about the kid in that light before that post - maybe because of the way he burst onto the scene just this year after missing most of last season with a heart issue. But the more I've watched him, the more I've realized that he really is having an All-American-caliber season. And whenever the lights are brightest, he's performing.

I won't revisit every number shared by duckfan in the original post, but his efficiency is ridiculous and those numbers at least are worth revisiting. 22.2 PPG while shooting 50% FG, 46.7% 3PT, 90.5% FT is the kind of thing that no other player in the country is doing. He's the go-to guy for Loras & the most efficient scorer in the country. But if we're being honest, Ruggles probably isn't going to be an all-American this year - Loras hasn't won enough, he's not a senior, and the IIAC isn't the biggest stage.

What he should be, though, is IIAC Offensive Player of the Year. I bring this up because over the past two games, I've watched him score 42 on Nebraska Wesleyan & 29 on Simpson, and since the Duhawks fell short of a conference title, I'm preparing for the IIAC coaches to give the award to an NWU player instead. Don't get me wrong - I have all the respect in the world for guys like Cooper Cook & Schimonitz, but if either of those two gets the honor while averaging 6-7PPG less and shooting significantly worse from the field, the award might as well be renamed "Best Offensive Player on the Best Team", because neither of those two is the most dominant offensive player in the IIAC and I think anyone who has followed the league this year would agree.

A small caveat: if the award doesn't go to Ruggles, it belongs to TJ Lake. His efficiency is also nowhere near Ruggles, but if I'm going to be consistent in my argument that winning conference shouldn't be the only factor that matters when awarding MVP honors, then Lake deserves consideration as well. He and Ruggles are two of the most dominant offensive players in the country, and I hope the conference treats them as such.

Time to hop off my soap box - looking forward to another group of great IIAC games on Saturday & what should be a really fun tournament next week.

There is no IIAC offensive player of the year award. There is a most valuable player award and a defensive player of the year award. I looked back about 4 or 5 years, and the MVP award has gone to a player on the first place team. I am most familiar with last year, and Cooper Cook did not have the best offensive stats. It looked like Colby Taylor from Central had the best offensive stats, but in my opinion it would be tough to give a player on the 5th place team the Most Valuable player award.

Josh Ruggles is a very good offensive player, no doubt. I watched him light up Wesleyan for 42 points. If he won the MVP award, I would have no problem with that, as Loras did come in 2nd place. But if someone on Wesleyan wins it, that would not surprise me either. The coaches vote on these awards, and I think they realize that to be an MVP, your team has to have done pretty well.

Tell that to Ernie Banks. ;)

Your point is valid (more often than not, MVP goes to the best player on the best team), but IMO is BS.  A player that keeps a 5th place team from being dead last is probably more valuable than a player that boosts a second place team to first.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on February 16, 2018, 01:19:40 AM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on February 15, 2018, 11:04:29 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on February 15, 2018, 10:51:22 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 15, 2018, 09:44:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 14, 2018, 10:58:54 PM
Final scores...

NWU 104-80 over Central
Loras 87-86 over Simpson
Wartburg 72-69 over Coe in OT
Dubuque 84-71 over Luther

Did anyone else see the end of the Wartburg game?  The clock kept running for about 10 seconds after play stopped.  Took it all the way down to 7.3 seconds left.  Hard to believe no one on the floor saw that.  Or is the game clock and what we see on the screen 2 different things possibly?

I'll let someone else post the standings and what possibilities exist for the Saturday games.

Fun night of IIAC hoops, especially the Wartburg/Coe & Loras/Simpson games. Had both up on split screen at my house and couldn't figure out which to watch down the stretch.

As the regular season wraps up, I want to comment on a post from a few weeks back (you'll have to excuse me for not having the board all figured out yet, not sure how to quote two posts in one). The post was about Loras' Josh Ruggles and his standing as an All-American candidate. I didn't comment at the time because quite frankly, I hadn't really thought about the kid in that light before that post - maybe because of the way he burst onto the scene just this year after missing most of last season with a heart issue. But the more I've watched him, the more I've realized that he really is having an All-American-caliber season. And whenever the lights are brightest, he's performing.

I won't revisit every number shared by duckfan in the original post, but his efficiency is ridiculous and those numbers at least are worth revisiting. 22.2 PPG while shooting 50% FG, 46.7% 3PT, 90.5% FT is the kind of thing that no other player in the country is doing. He's the go-to guy for Loras & the most efficient scorer in the country. But if we're being honest, Ruggles probably isn't going to be an all-American this year - Loras hasn't won enough, he's not a senior, and the IIAC isn't the biggest stage.

What he should be, though, is IIAC Offensive Player of the Year. I bring this up because over the past two games, I've watched him score 42 on Nebraska Wesleyan & 29 on Simpson, and since the Duhawks fell short of a conference title, I'm preparing for the IIAC coaches to give the award to an NWU player instead. Don't get me wrong - I have all the respect in the world for guys like Cooper Cook & Schimonitz, but if either of those two gets the honor while averaging 6-7PPG less and shooting significantly worse from the field, the award might as well be renamed "Best Offensive Player on the Best Team", because neither of those two is the most dominant offensive player in the IIAC and I think anyone who has followed the league this year would agree.

A small caveat: if the award doesn't go to Ruggles, it belongs to TJ Lake. His efficiency is also nowhere near Ruggles, but if I'm going to be consistent in my argument that winning conference shouldn't be the only factor that matters when awarding MVP honors, then Lake deserves consideration as well. He and Ruggles are two of the most dominant offensive players in the country, and I hope the conference treats them as such.

Time to hop off my soap box - looking forward to another group of great IIAC games on Saturday & what should be a really fun tournament next week.

There is no IIAC offensive player of the year award. There is a most valuable player award and a defensive player of the year award. I looked back about 4 or 5 years, and the MVP award has gone to a player on the first place team. I am most familiar with last year, and Cooper Cook did not have the best offensive stats. It looked like Colby Taylor from Central had the best offensive stats, but in my opinion it would be tough to give a player on the 5th place team the Most Valuable player award.

Josh Ruggles is a very good offensive player, no doubt. I watched him light up Wesleyan for 42 points. If he won the MVP award, I would have no problem with that, as Loras did come in 2nd place. But if someone on Wesleyan wins it, that would not surprise me either. The coaches vote on these awards, and I think they realize that to be an MVP, your team has to have done pretty well.

Tell that to Ernie Banks. ;)

Your point is valid (more often than not, MVP goes to the best player on the best team), but IMO is BS.  A player that keeps a 5th place team from being dead last is probably more valuable than a player that boosts a second place team to first.

I also would like to mention how in most every game this season, Ruggles has been the best and most efficient player on the floor. Sure he's had down games, but who doesn't? His numbers are absurd and if you watch Loras play, you can tell other players play above their talent level with Ruggles on the court. His confidence is contagious with his team.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 17, 2018, 02:04:30 PM
The final day of IIAC regular season play has arrived! Tons of conference tournament implications on the line, here's what we've got:

Loras at Dubuque: (Massey Prediction: Loras-88, UD-87)
Wartburg at Central: (Massey Prediction: Wartburg-81, Central-76)
Coe at Simpson: (Massey Prediction: Simpson-81, Coe-72)
Buena Vista at Luther: (Massey Prediction: BV-83, Luther-68)

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 18, 2018, 11:57:25 AM
The regular season has come to a close, and the IIAC tournament has shaped up as such:

1. Nebraska Wesleyan (22-3 overall, 13-3 IIAC)
2. Loras (19-6 overall, 12-4 IIAC)
3. Buena Vista (17-8 overall, 10-6 IIAC)
4. Simpson (13-11 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
5. Wartburg (16-9 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
6. Central (10-15 overall, 7-9 IIAC)

For the sake of sparking debate and continuing the conference MVP conversation that briefly occurred over the past few days, I wanted to review each of the candidates (as I see them) a little deeper (listed in alphabetical order, stats conference-only):

Sam Amsbaugh (Simpson SR): 18.7 PPG (4th IIAC), 7.4 RPG (3rd IIAC), 3.9 APG (6th IIAC), 0.8 BPG (8th IIAC), 0.8 SPG (18th IIAC), 49.5%FG (9th IIAC), 78.8% FT (13th IIAC).

The case for: Amsbaugh is a senior (which always carries weight in this kind of vote), and he's one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC statistically for an IIAC tournament team.

The case against: Simpson is the fourth best team in the IIAC, and Amsbaugh may not even be the best candidate for MVP on his own team.

Cooper Cook (Nebraska Wesleyan JR): 14.8 PPG (14th IIAC), 5.1 RPG (10th IIAC), 1.8 APG (28th IIAC), 1.6 BPG (3rd IIAC), 1.3 SPG (8th IIAC), 49.4% FG (10th IIAC), 36.8% 3PT (unranked), 83.3% FT (does not meet min qualifier)

The case for: Cook is the league's incumbent MVP on the 2017-2018 champ.

The case against: As good as Cook's numbers are, if you compare them to some of the other candidates on this list, it's abundantly clear that he did not have anywhere close to the best season of the group.

Ryan DiCanio (Loras JR): 16.6 PPG (8th IIAC), 6.6 RPG (5th IIAC), 4.8 APG (2nd IIAC), 0.3 BPG (23rd IIAC), 1.0 SPG (11th IIAC), 1.7 A/TO (8th IIAC), 42.5% FG (15th IIAC), 33.6% 3PT (unranked), 82.0% FT (8th IIAC)

The case for: DiCanio is a returning first team all-IIAC player who scored his 1,000th point and grabbed his 500th rebound this season, continuing one of the best IIAC careers in the last few years for a Loras team that missed winning conference by a game

The case against: DiCanio is not a very efficient scorer, and as well-rounded as his game is, opposing coaches would be the first to tell you that he is not the player they scheme against on Loras' roster

TJ Lake (Dubuque SR): 22.8 PPG (2nd IIAC), 3.1 RPG (44th IIAC), 1.9 APG (21st IIAC), 0.9 SPG (15th IIAC), 40.9 % FG (16th IIAC), 36.2% 3PT (5th IIAC), 3.2 3PG (2nd IIAC), 84.8% FT (5th IIAC)

The case for: Lake is arguably the league's best senior.

The case against: Though they won a few big games and always had to be taken seriously by opponents, UD was not good this season and didn't even earn a conference tournament berth.

Connor Riordan (Simpson SO): 21.4 PPG (3rd IIAC), 4.7 RPG (17th IIAC), 3.4 APG (9th IIAC), 3.4 A/TO (2nd IIAC), 0.2 BPG (39th IIAC), 1.1 SPG (9th IIAC), 54.4% FG (3rd IIAC), 34.7% 3PT (unranked), 87.5% FT (3rd IIAC)

The case for: Looking at the stats, Riordan is one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC and he is certainly deserving of being in this conversation.

The case against: Simpson is only the 4th seed in the IIAC tournament, and it's hard to believe that a sophomore who is comparable to other players on this list but on the 4 seed will win MVP.

Josh Ruggles (Loras JR): 23.3 PPG (1st IIAC), 4.8 RPG (15th IIAC), 3.6 APG (8th IIAC), 3.6 A/TO (1st IIAC), 49.8 % FG (8th IIAC), 49.1% 3PT (1st IIAC), 3.6 3PG (1st IIAC), 92.9% FT (1st IIAC)

The case for: Ruggles is the conference's top scorer and has put up his scoring numbers with the greatest shooting efficiency of any player in the conference. In fact, based on NCAA qualifying standards, Ruggles is actually the nation's most efficient shooter (based on sum of FG%, 3PT%, FT%), and he's pretty clearly the IIAC's best shot at an All-American candidate this season.

The case against: Loras didn't win the IIAC, they missed it by a game. If they had beaten NWU in a game in which Ruggles scored 42, this wouldn't even be a debate.

Nate Schimonitz (Nebraska Wesleyan SO): 16.1 PPG (11th IIAC), 3.9 RPG (25th IIAC), 4.8 APG (1st IIAC), 2.5 A/TO (4th IIAC), 0.2 BPG (34th IIAC), 1.4 SPG (5th IIAC), 50.3% FG (7th IIAC), 34.4% 3PT (unranked), 77.1% FT (15th IIAC)

The case for: Numbers-wise, he's the best candidate from the IIAC champion team.

The case against: Aside from the fact that Schimonitz's numbers are not the best in the league (though they are strong), Schimonitz missed 1/8th of IIAC games with an injury.

Continuing my argument from earlier this week, it's pretty clear that Ruggles is the strongest candidate for IIAC MVP, and if you factor in the comeback he's made from last year's heart issues at all, it's a no-brainer. If he is not given the award, my guess is that it will go to Schimonitz, though if the coaches go with Cook despite the fact that he's averaging 9PPG less than Ruggles on significantly lower efficiency, I think that would be a shame. Additionally, given that All-American voting factors in conference MVPs (at least NABC), putting up someone not named Josh Ruggles will virtually guarantee that the IIAC will not have an All-American this season.

If I had any say in post-season awards, my vote would look like this:

Coach of the Year: Dale Wellman, NWU
Most Valuable Player: Josh Ruggles, Loras
Defensive Player of the Year: Deion Wells-Ross, NWU

First Team All-Conference (excludes MVP):
Sam Amsbaugh, Simpson
Cooper Cook, NWU
Ryan DiCanio, Loras
TJ Lake, Dubuque
Conor Riordan, Simpson
Nate Schimonitz, NWU
Kyle Smith, Central
Thomas Wisecup, BV

Would love to hear what you guys are thinking. Looking forward to an exciting week of conference tournament play!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on February 18, 2018, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 18, 2018, 11:57:25 AM
The regular season has come to a close, and the IIAC tournament has shaped up as such:

1. Nebraska Wesleyan (22-3 overall, 13-3 IIAC)
2. Loras (19-6 overall, 12-4 IIAC)
3. Buena Vista (17-8 overall, 10-6 IIAC)
4. Simpson (13-11 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
5. Wartburg (16-9 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
6. Central (10-15 overall, 7-9 IIAC)

For the sake of sparking debate and continuing the conference MVP conversation that briefly occurred over the past few days, I wanted to review each of the candidates (as I see them) a little deeper (listed in alphabetical order, stats conference-only):

Sam Amsbaugh (Simpson SR): 18.7 PPG (4th IIAC), 7.4 RPG (3rd IIAC), 3.9 APG (6th IIAC), 0.8 BPG (8th IIAC), 0.8 SPG (18th IIAC), 49.5%FG (9th IIAC), 78.8% FT (13th IIAC).

The case for: Amsbaugh is a senior (which always carries weight in this kind of vote), and he's one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC statistically for an IIAC tournament team.

The case against: Simpson is the fourth best team in the IIAC, and Amsbaugh may not even be the best candidate for MVP on his own team.

Cooper Cook (Nebraska Wesleyan JR): 14.8 PPG (14th IIAC), 5.1 RPG (10th IIAC), 1.8 APG (28th IIAC), 1.6 BPG (3rd IIAC), 1.3 SPG (8th IIAC), 49.4% FG (10th IIAC), 36.8% 3PT (unranked), 83.3% FT (does not meet min qualifier)

The case for: Cook is the league's incumbent MVP on the 2017-2018 champ.

The case against: As good as Cook's numbers are, if you compare them to some of the other candidates on this list, it's abundantly clear that he did not have anywhere close to the best season of the group.

Ryan DiCanio (Loras JR): 16.6 PPG (8th IIAC), 6.6 RPG (5th IIAC), 4.8 APG (2nd IIAC), 0.3 BPG (23rd IIAC), 1.0 SPG (11th IIAC), 1.7 A/TO (8th IIAC), 42.5% FG (15th IIAC), 33.6% 3PT (unranked), 82.0% FT (8th IIAC)

The case for: DiCanio is a returning first team all-IIAC player who scored his 1,000th point and grabbed his 500th rebound this season, continuing one of the best IIAC careers in the last few years for a Loras team that missed winning conference by a game

The case against: DiCanio is not a very efficient scorer, and as well-rounded as his game is, opposing coaches would be the first to tell you that he is not the player they scheme against on Loras' roster

TJ Lake (Dubuque SR): 22.8 PPG (2nd IIAC), 3.1 RPG (44th IIAC), 1.9 APG (21st IIAC), 0.9 SPG (15th IIAC), 40.9 % FG (16th IIAC), 36.2% 3PT (5th IIAC), 3.2 3PG (2nd IIAC), 84.8% FT (5th IIAC)

The case for: Lake is arguably the league's best senior.

The case against: Though they won a few big games and always had to be taken seriously by opponents, UD was not good this season and didn't even earn a conference tournament berth.

Connor Riordan (Simpson SO): 21.4 PPG (3rd IIAC), 4.7 RPG (17th IIAC), 3.4 APG (9th IIAC), 3.4 A/TO (2nd IIAC), 0.2 BPG (39th IIAC), 1.1 SPG (9th IIAC), 54.4% FG (3rd IIAC), 34.7% 3PT (unranked), 87.5% FT (3rd IIAC)

The case for: Looking at the stats, Riordan is one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC and he is certainly deserving of being in this conversation.

The case against: Simpson is only the 4th seed in the IIAC tournament, and it's hard to believe that a sophomore who is comparable to other players on this list but on the 4 seed will win MVP.

Josh Ruggles (Loras JR): 23.3 PPG (1st IIAC), 4.8 RPG (15th IIAC), 3.6 APG (8th IIAC), 3.6 A/TO (1st IIAC), 49.8 % FG (8th IIAC), 49.1% 3PT (1st IIAC), 3.6 3PG (1st IIAC), 92.9% FT (1st IIAC)

The case for: Ruggles is the conference's top scorer and has put up his scoring numbers with the greatest shooting efficiency of any player in the conference. In fact, based on NCAA qualifying standards, Ruggles is actually the nation's most efficient shooter (based on sum of FG%, 3PT%, FT%), and he's pretty clearly the IIAC's best shot at an All-American candidate this season.

The case against: Loras didn't win the IIAC, they missed it by a game. If they had beaten NWU in a game in which Ruggles scored 42, this wouldn't even be a debate.

Nate Schimonitz (Nebraska Wesleyan SO): 16.1 PPG (11th IIAC), 3.9 RPG (25th IIAC), 4.8 APG (1st IIAC), 2.5 A/TO (4th IIAC), 0.2 BPG (34th IIAC), 1.4 SPG (5th IIAC), 50.3% FG (7th IIAC), 34.4% 3PT (unranked), 77.1% FT (15th IIAC)

The case for: Numbers-wise, he's the best candidate from the IIAC champion team.

The case against: Aside from the fact that Schimonitz's numbers are not the best in the league (though they are strong), Schimonitz missed 1/8th of IIAC games with an injury.

Continuing my argument from earlier this week, it's pretty clear that Ruggles is the strongest candidate for IIAC MVP, and if you factor in the comeback he's made from last year's heart issues at all, it's a no-brainer. If he is not given the award, my guess is that it will go to Schimonitz, though if the coaches go with Cook despite the fact that he's averaging 9PPG less than Ruggles on significantly lower efficiency, I think that would be a shame. Additionally, given that All-American voting factors in conference MVPs (at least NABC), putting up someone not named Josh Ruggles will virtually guarantee that the IIAC will not have an All-American this season.

If I had any say in post-season awards, my vote would look like this:

Coach of the Year: Dale Wellman, NWU
Most Valuable Player: Josh Ruggles, Loras
Defensive Player of the Year: Deion Wells-Ross, NWU

First Team All-Conference (excludes MVP):
Sam Amsbaugh, Simpson
Cooper Cook, NWU
Ryan DiCanio, Loras
TJ Lake, Dubuque
Conor Riordan, Simpson
Nate Schimonitz, NWU
Kyle Smith, Central
Thomas Wisecup, BV

Would love to hear what you guys are thinking. Looking forward to an exciting week of conference tournament play!

There's not a doubt in my mind Ruggles *should* be MVP/MOP. Now whether or not the coaches recognize a junior on the second place team as such is yet to be seen, but the 1st place accolade in multiple statistical categories speaks for itself. If not All-American he's a lock for MVP/MOP
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 18, 2018, 02:33:11 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 18, 2018, 11:57:25 AM
The regular season has come to a close, and the IIAC tournament has shaped up as such:

1. Nebraska Wesleyan (22-3 overall, 13-3 IIAC)
2. Loras (19-6 overall, 12-4 IIAC)
3. Buena Vista (17-8 overall, 10-6 IIAC)
4. Simpson (13-11 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
5. Wartburg (16-9 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
6. Central (10-15 overall, 7-9 IIAC)

For the sake of sparking debate and continuing the conference MVP conversation that briefly occurred over the past few days, I wanted to review each of the candidates (as I see them) a little deeper (listed in alphabetical order, stats conference-only):

Sam Amsbaugh (Simpson SR): 18.7 PPG (4th IIAC), 7.4 RPG (3rd IIAC), 3.9 APG (6th IIAC), 0.8 BPG (8th IIAC), 0.8 SPG (18th IIAC), 49.5%FG (9th IIAC), 78.8% FT (13th IIAC).

The case for: Amsbaugh is a senior (which always carries weight in this kind of vote), and he's one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC statistically for an IIAC tournament team.

The case against: Simpson is the fourth best team in the IIAC, and Amsbaugh may not even be the best candidate for MVP on his own team.

Cooper Cook (Nebraska Wesleyan JR): 14.8 PPG (14th IIAC), 5.1 RPG (10th IIAC), 1.8 APG (28th IIAC), 1.6 BPG (3rd IIAC), 1.3 SPG (8th IIAC), 49.4% FG (10th IIAC), 36.8% 3PT (unranked), 83.3% FT (does not meet min qualifier)

The case for: Cook is the league's incumbent MVP on the 2017-2018 champ.

The case against: As good as Cook's numbers are, if you compare them to some of the other candidates on this list, it's abundantly clear that he did not have anywhere close to the best season of the group.

Ryan DiCanio (Loras JR): 16.6 PPG (8th IIAC), 6.6 RPG (5th IIAC), 4.8 APG (2nd IIAC), 0.3 BPG (23rd IIAC), 1.0 SPG (11th IIAC), 1.7 A/TO (8th IIAC), 42.5% FG (15th IIAC), 33.6% 3PT (unranked), 82.0% FT (8th IIAC)

The case for: DiCanio is a returning first team all-IIAC player who scored his 1,000th point and grabbed his 500th rebound this season, continuing one of the best IIAC careers in the last few years for a Loras team that missed winning conference by a game

The case against: DiCanio is not a very efficient scorer, and as well-rounded as his game is, opposing coaches would be the first to tell you that he is not the player they scheme against on Loras' roster

TJ Lake (Dubuque SR): 22.8 PPG (2nd IIAC), 3.1 RPG (44th IIAC), 1.9 APG (21st IIAC), 0.9 SPG (15th IIAC), 40.9 % FG (16th IIAC), 36.2% 3PT (5th IIAC), 3.2 3PG (2nd IIAC), 84.8% FT (5th IIAC)

The case for: Lake is arguably the league's best senior.

The case against: Though they won a few big games and always had to be taken seriously by opponents, UD was not good this season and didn't even earn a conference tournament berth.

Connor Riordan (Simpson SO): 21.4 PPG (3rd IIAC), 4.7 RPG (17th IIAC), 3.4 APG (9th IIAC), 3.4 A/TO (2nd IIAC), 0.2 BPG (39th IIAC), 1.1 SPG (9th IIAC), 54.4% FG (3rd IIAC), 34.7% 3PT (unranked), 87.5% FT (3rd IIAC)

The case for: Looking at the stats, Riordan is one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC and he is certainly deserving of being in this conversation.

The case against: Simpson is only the 4th seed in the IIAC tournament, and it's hard to believe that a sophomore who is comparable to other players on this list but on the 4 seed will win MVP.

Josh Ruggles (Loras JR): 23.3 PPG (1st IIAC), 4.8 RPG (15th IIAC), 3.6 APG (8th IIAC), 3.6 A/TO (1st IIAC), 49.8 % FG (8th IIAC), 49.1% 3PT (1st IIAC), 3.6 3PG (1st IIAC), 92.9% FT (1st IIAC)

The case for: Ruggles is the conference's top scorer and has put up his scoring numbers with the greatest shooting efficiency of any player in the conference. In fact, based on NCAA qualifying standards, Ruggles is actually the nation's most efficient shooter (based on sum of FG%, 3PT%, FT%), and he's pretty clearly the IIAC's best shot at an All-American candidate this season.

The case against: Loras didn't win the IIAC, they missed it by a game. If they had beaten NWU in a game in which Ruggles scored 42, this wouldn't even be a debate.

Nate Schimonitz (Nebraska Wesleyan SO): 16.1 PPG (11th IIAC), 3.9 RPG (25th IIAC), 4.8 APG (1st IIAC), 2.5 A/TO (4th IIAC), 0.2 BPG (34th IIAC), 1.4 SPG (5th IIAC), 50.3% FG (7th IIAC), 34.4% 3PT (unranked), 77.1% FT (15th IIAC)

The case for: Numbers-wise, he's the best candidate from the IIAC champion team.

The case against: Aside from the fact that Schimonitz's numbers are not the best in the league (though they are strong), Schimonitz missed 1/8th of IIAC games with an injury.

Continuing my argument from earlier this week, it's pretty clear that Ruggles is the strongest candidate for IIAC MVP, and if you factor in the comeback he's made from last year's heart issues at all, it's a no-brainer. If he is not given the award, my guess is that it will go to Schimonitz, though if the coaches go with Cook despite the fact that he's averaging 9PPG less than Ruggles on significantly lower efficiency, I think that would be a shame. Additionally, given that All-American voting factors in conference MVPs (at least NABC), putting up someone not named Josh Ruggles will virtually guarantee that the IIAC will not have an All-American this season.

If I had any say in post-season awards, my vote would look like this:

Coach of the Year: Dale Wellman, NWU
Most Valuable Player: Josh Ruggles, Loras
Defensive Player of the Year: Deion Wells-Ross, NWU

First Team All-Conference (excludes MVP):
Sam Amsbaugh, Simpson
Cooper Cook, NWU
Ryan DiCanio, Loras
TJ Lake, Dubuque
Conor Riordan, Simpson
Nate Schimonitz, NWU
Kyle Smith, Central
Thomas Wisecup, BV

Would love to hear what you guys are thinking. Looking forward to an exciting week of conference tournament play!

I'm not sure why you are just including conference stats, as I am sure they will vote on the contributions for the whole season. That being said, while you say that Schimonitz from NWU has the best numbers from the 9 categories that you list, and they are good numbers, there are 2 NWU players that probably have better conference only numbers. One of them has better numbers than Schimonitz in 7 of the 9 categories, and the other NWU player has better numbers in 6 of the 9 categories you listed.

I would also have in consideration for all conference Sabus from Wartburg, Atwater from Dubuque, Wildermuth from Central, and D. Jeffries from Buena Vista.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 18, 2018, 02:39:36 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on February 18, 2018, 02:33:11 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 18, 2018, 11:57:25 AM
The regular season has come to a close, and the IIAC tournament has shaped up as such:

1. Nebraska Wesleyan (22-3 overall, 13-3 IIAC)
2. Loras (19-6 overall, 12-4 IIAC)
3. Buena Vista (17-8 overall, 10-6 IIAC)
4. Simpson (13-11 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
5. Wartburg (16-9 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
6. Central (10-15 overall, 7-9 IIAC)

For the sake of sparking debate and continuing the conference MVP conversation that briefly occurred over the past few days, I wanted to review each of the candidates (as I see them) a little deeper (listed in alphabetical order, stats conference-only):

Sam Amsbaugh (Simpson SR): 18.7 PPG (4th IIAC), 7.4 RPG (3rd IIAC), 3.9 APG (6th IIAC), 0.8 BPG (8th IIAC), 0.8 SPG (18th IIAC), 49.5%FG (9th IIAC), 78.8% FT (13th IIAC).

The case for: Amsbaugh is a senior (which always carries weight in this kind of vote), and he's one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC statistically for an IIAC tournament team.

The case against: Simpson is the fourth best team in the IIAC, and Amsbaugh may not even be the best candidate for MVP on his own team.

Cooper Cook (Nebraska Wesleyan JR): 14.8 PPG (14th IIAC), 5.1 RPG (10th IIAC), 1.8 APG (28th IIAC), 1.6 BPG (3rd IIAC), 1.3 SPG (8th IIAC), 49.4% FG (10th IIAC), 36.8% 3PT (unranked), 83.3% FT (does not meet min qualifier)

The case for: Cook is the league's incumbent MVP on the 2017-2018 champ.

The case against: As good as Cook's numbers are, if you compare them to some of the other candidates on this list, it's abundantly clear that he did not have anywhere close to the best season of the group.

Ryan DiCanio (Loras JR): 16.6 PPG (8th IIAC), 6.6 RPG (5th IIAC), 4.8 APG (2nd IIAC), 0.3 BPG (23rd IIAC), 1.0 SPG (11th IIAC), 1.7 A/TO (8th IIAC), 42.5% FG (15th IIAC), 33.6% 3PT (unranked), 82.0% FT (8th IIAC)

The case for: DiCanio is a returning first team all-IIAC player who scored his 1,000th point and grabbed his 500th rebound this season, continuing one of the best IIAC careers in the last few years for a Loras team that missed winning conference by a game

The case against: DiCanio is not a very efficient scorer, and as well-rounded as his game is, opposing coaches would be the first to tell you that he is not the player they scheme against on Loras' roster

TJ Lake (Dubuque SR): 22.8 PPG (2nd IIAC), 3.1 RPG (44th IIAC), 1.9 APG (21st IIAC), 0.9 SPG (15th IIAC), 40.9 % FG (16th IIAC), 36.2% 3PT (5th IIAC), 3.2 3PG (2nd IIAC), 84.8% FT (5th IIAC)

The case for: Lake is arguably the league's best senior.

The case against: Though they won a few big games and always had to be taken seriously by opponents, UD was not good this season and didn't even earn a conference tournament berth.

Connor Riordan (Simpson SO): 21.4 PPG (3rd IIAC), 4.7 RPG (17th IIAC), 3.4 APG (9th IIAC), 3.4 A/TO (2nd IIAC), 0.2 BPG (39th IIAC), 1.1 SPG (9th IIAC), 54.4% FG (3rd IIAC), 34.7% 3PT (unranked), 87.5% FT (3rd IIAC)

The case for: Looking at the stats, Riordan is one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC and he is certainly deserving of being in this conversation.

The case against: Simpson is only the 4th seed in the IIAC tournament, and it's hard to believe that a sophomore who is comparable to other players on this list but on the 4 seed will win MVP.

Josh Ruggles (Loras JR): 23.3 PPG (1st IIAC), 4.8 RPG (15th IIAC), 3.6 APG (8th IIAC), 3.6 A/TO (1st IIAC), 49.8 % FG (8th IIAC), 49.1% 3PT (1st IIAC), 3.6 3PG (1st IIAC), 92.9% FT (1st IIAC)

The case for: Ruggles is the conference's top scorer and has put up his scoring numbers with the greatest shooting efficiency of any player in the conference. In fact, based on NCAA qualifying standards, Ruggles is actually the nation's most efficient shooter (based on sum of FG%, 3PT%, FT%), and he's pretty clearly the IIAC's best shot at an All-American candidate this season.

The case against: Loras didn't win the IIAC, they missed it by a game. If they had beaten NWU in a game in which Ruggles scored 42, this wouldn't even be a debate.

Nate Schimonitz (Nebraska Wesleyan SO): 16.1 PPG (11th IIAC), 3.9 RPG (25th IIAC), 4.8 APG (1st IIAC), 2.5 A/TO (4th IIAC), 0.2 BPG (34th IIAC), 1.4 SPG (5th IIAC), 50.3% FG (7th IIAC), 34.4% 3PT (unranked), 77.1% FT (15th IIAC)

The case for: Numbers-wise, he's the best candidate from the IIAC champion team.

The case against: Aside from the fact that Schimonitz's numbers are not the best in the league (though they are strong), Schimonitz missed 1/8th of IIAC games with an injury.

Continuing my argument from earlier this week, it's pretty clear that Ruggles is the strongest candidate for IIAC MVP, and if you factor in the comeback he's made from last year's heart issues at all, it's a no-brainer. If he is not given the award, my guess is that it will go to Schimonitz, though if the coaches go with Cook despite the fact that he's averaging 9PPG less than Ruggles on significantly lower efficiency, I think that would be a shame. Additionally, given that All-American voting factors in conference MVPs (at least NABC), putting up someone not named Josh Ruggles will virtually guarantee that the IIAC will not have an All-American this season.

If I had any say in post-season awards, my vote would look like this:

Coach of the Year: Dale Wellman, NWU
Most Valuable Player: Josh Ruggles, Loras
Defensive Player of the Year: Deion Wells-Ross, NWU

First Team All-Conference (excludes MVP):
Sam Amsbaugh, Simpson
Cooper Cook, NWU
Ryan DiCanio, Loras
TJ Lake, Dubuque
Conor Riordan, Simpson
Nate Schimonitz, NWU
Kyle Smith, Central
Thomas Wisecup, BV

Would love to hear what you guys are thinking. Looking forward to an exciting week of conference tournament play!

I'm not sure why you are just including conference stats, as I am sure they will vote on the contributions for the whole season. That being said, while you say that Schimonitz from NWU has the best numbers from the 9 categories that you list, and they are good numbers, there are 2 NWU players that probably have better conference only numbers. One of them has better numbers than Schimonitz in 7 of the 9 categories, and the other NWU player has better numbers in 6 of the 9 categories you listed.

I would also have in consideration for all conference Sabus from Wartburg, Atwater from Dubuque, Wildermuth from Central, and D. Jeffries from Buena Vista.

I am told that conference stats are the only ones taken into account for the all-conference votes. Apologies if this is not true.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 18, 2018, 02:48:56 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on February 18, 2018, 02:33:11 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 18, 2018, 11:57:25 AM
The regular season has come to a close, and the IIAC tournament has shaped up as such:

1. Nebraska Wesleyan (22-3 overall, 13-3 IIAC)
2. Loras (19-6 overall, 12-4 IIAC)
3. Buena Vista (17-8 overall, 10-6 IIAC)
4. Simpson (13-11 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
5. Wartburg (16-9 overall, 9-7 IIAC)
6. Central (10-15 overall, 7-9 IIAC)

For the sake of sparking debate and continuing the conference MVP conversation that briefly occurred over the past few days, I wanted to review each of the candidates (as I see them) a little deeper (listed in alphabetical order, stats conference-only):

Sam Amsbaugh (Simpson SR): 18.7 PPG (4th IIAC), 7.4 RPG (3rd IIAC), 3.9 APG (6th IIAC), 0.8 BPG (8th IIAC), 0.8 SPG (18th IIAC), 49.5%FG (9th IIAC), 78.8% FT (13th IIAC).

The case for: Amsbaugh is a senior (which always carries weight in this kind of vote), and he's one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC statistically for an IIAC tournament team.

The case against: Simpson is the fourth best team in the IIAC, and Amsbaugh may not even be the best candidate for MVP on his own team.

Cooper Cook (Nebraska Wesleyan JR): 14.8 PPG (14th IIAC), 5.1 RPG (10th IIAC), 1.8 APG (28th IIAC), 1.6 BPG (3rd IIAC), 1.3 SPG (8th IIAC), 49.4% FG (10th IIAC), 36.8% 3PT (unranked), 83.3% FT (does not meet min qualifier)

The case for: Cook is the league's incumbent MVP on the 2017-2018 champ.

The case against: As good as Cook's numbers are, if you compare them to some of the other candidates on this list, it's abundantly clear that he did not have anywhere close to the best season of the group.

Ryan DiCanio (Loras JR): 16.6 PPG (8th IIAC), 6.6 RPG (5th IIAC), 4.8 APG (2nd IIAC), 0.3 BPG (23rd IIAC), 1.0 SPG (11th IIAC), 1.7 A/TO (8th IIAC), 42.5% FG (15th IIAC), 33.6% 3PT (unranked), 82.0% FT (8th IIAC)

The case for: DiCanio is a returning first team all-IIAC player who scored his 1,000th point and grabbed his 500th rebound this season, continuing one of the best IIAC careers in the last few years for a Loras team that missed winning conference by a game

The case against: DiCanio is not a very efficient scorer, and as well-rounded as his game is, opposing coaches would be the first to tell you that he is not the player they scheme against on Loras' roster

TJ Lake (Dubuque SR): 22.8 PPG (2nd IIAC), 3.1 RPG (44th IIAC), 1.9 APG (21st IIAC), 0.9 SPG (15th IIAC), 40.9 % FG (16th IIAC), 36.2% 3PT (5th IIAC), 3.2 3PG (2nd IIAC), 84.8% FT (5th IIAC)

The case for: Lake is arguably the league's best senior.

The case against: Though they won a few big games and always had to be taken seriously by opponents, UD was not good this season and didn't even earn a conference tournament berth.

Connor Riordan (Simpson SO): 21.4 PPG (3rd IIAC), 4.7 RPG (17th IIAC), 3.4 APG (9th IIAC), 3.4 A/TO (2nd IIAC), 0.2 BPG (39th IIAC), 1.1 SPG (9th IIAC), 54.4% FG (3rd IIAC), 34.7% 3PT (unranked), 87.5% FT (3rd IIAC)

The case for: Looking at the stats, Riordan is one of the most well-rounded players in the IIAC and he is certainly deserving of being in this conversation.

The case against: Simpson is only the 4th seed in the IIAC tournament, and it's hard to believe that a sophomore who is comparable to other players on this list but on the 4 seed will win MVP.

Josh Ruggles (Loras JR): 23.3 PPG (1st IIAC), 4.8 RPG (15th IIAC), 3.6 APG (8th IIAC), 3.6 A/TO (1st IIAC), 49.8 % FG (8th IIAC), 49.1% 3PT (1st IIAC), 3.6 3PG (1st IIAC), 92.9% FT (1st IIAC)

The case for: Ruggles is the conference's top scorer and has put up his scoring numbers with the greatest shooting efficiency of any player in the conference. In fact, based on NCAA qualifying standards, Ruggles is actually the nation's most efficient shooter (based on sum of FG%, 3PT%, FT%), and he's pretty clearly the IIAC's best shot at an All-American candidate this season.

The case against: Loras didn't win the IIAC, they missed it by a game. If they had beaten NWU in a game in which Ruggles scored 42, this wouldn't even be a debate.

Nate Schimonitz (Nebraska Wesleyan SO): 16.1 PPG (11th IIAC), 3.9 RPG (25th IIAC), 4.8 APG (1st IIAC), 2.5 A/TO (4th IIAC), 0.2 BPG (34th IIAC), 1.4 SPG (5th IIAC), 50.3% FG (7th IIAC), 34.4% 3PT (unranked), 77.1% FT (15th IIAC)

The case for: Numbers-wise, he's the best candidate from the IIAC champion team.

The case against: Aside from the fact that Schimonitz's numbers are not the best in the league (though they are strong), Schimonitz missed 1/8th of IIAC games with an injury.

Continuing my argument from earlier this week, it's pretty clear that Ruggles is the strongest candidate for IIAC MVP, and if you factor in the comeback he's made from last year's heart issues at all, it's a no-brainer. If he is not given the award, my guess is that it will go to Schimonitz, though if the coaches go with Cook despite the fact that he's averaging 9PPG less than Ruggles on significantly lower efficiency, I think that would be a shame. Additionally, given that All-American voting factors in conference MVPs (at least NABC), putting up someone not named Josh Ruggles will virtually guarantee that the IIAC will not have an All-American this season.

If I had any say in post-season awards, my vote would look like this:

Coach of the Year: Dale Wellman, NWU
Most Valuable Player: Josh Ruggles, Loras
Defensive Player of the Year: Deion Wells-Ross, NWU

First Team All-Conference (excludes MVP):
Sam Amsbaugh, Simpson
Cooper Cook, NWU
Ryan DiCanio, Loras
TJ Lake, Dubuque
Conor Riordan, Simpson
Nate Schimonitz, NWU
Kyle Smith, Central
Thomas Wisecup, BV

Would love to hear what you guys are thinking. Looking forward to an exciting week of conference tournament play!

I'm not sure why you are just including conference stats, as I am sure they will vote on the contributions for the whole season. That being said, while you say that Schimonitz from NWU has the best numbers from the 9 categories that you list, and they are good numbers, there are 2 NWU players that probably have better conference only numbers. One of them has better numbers than Schimonitz in 7 of the 9 categories, and the other NWU player has better numbers in 6 of the 9 categories you listed.

I would also have in consideration for all conference Sabus from Wartburg, Atwater from Dubuque, Wildermuth from Central, and D. Jeffries from Buena Vista.

And, you speak to my point - NWU has tons of solid players, but none who stack up to the MVP resume of Ruggles this year statistically speaking.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 18, 2018, 03:07:51 PM
I have no idea what they take into consideration for all conference, you very well may be correct on that.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 18, 2018, 08:59:37 PM
I think that your list is a very good one! Nate S has been playing very well as of late, getting into the swing of things after his injury. Once he got rolling NWU has taken their game to another level. I think that all three NWU players will be recognized in some capacity as well. Ruggles will be the MVP, and he will also be first team all region. Other teams in the region will see his eye popping stats and that he was on a very good team and he will get recognized as such.

Hoosiers, really enjoyed the list. Think you nailed it.

A lot of solid players returning to the IIAC next year....
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 19, 2018, 09:06:02 AM
Definitely nailed it Hoosier.  Would agree that Ruggles should be the heavy favorite to win the MVP award.  NWU has a trio of players they could put up, but other than that, there is no other player who should even be in the running.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2018, 09:40:05 AM
So about MVP. I haven't heard much about this Ruggles guy... Is he any good?  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 19, 2018, 10:40:13 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 19, 2018, 09:06:02 AM
Definitely nailed it Hoosier.  Would agree that Ruggles should be the heavy favorite to win the MVP award.  NWU has a trio of players they could put up, but other than that, there is no other player who should even be in the running.

Really appreciate the feedback, guys. As a fan of the IIAC I'm pulling for Ruggles simply because I believe it's about time the IIAC get some more attention on the national stage and I think the league can, to an extent, ride Ruggles to more respect. That's not to paint Ruggles as some kind of god or hero for the league - he's just the closest thing in the league to an All-American player right now, and should the coaches choose to put him up as MVP, I think that reflects well on the entire IIAC from a national D3 hoops perspective.

Massey goes so far as to rank the IIAC the 3rd best conference in D3 basketball, yet it still remains unlikely that we will get two teams into the NCAA tournament. The tides are changing and the IIAC is starting to get the attention I believe it deserves, but we aren't there yet. And, while there's tons of talent in the league, having a guy like Ruggles (who is arguably the most efficient offensive player in D3 basketball) is a feather in the cap of the IIAC. We should wear it proudly.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 19, 2018, 03:27:36 PM
For what it's worth, Cooper Cook was a pre-season 3rd team All-American.  While his numbers aren't quite what they were a year ago, he is still one of the most talented players in the league and could very well repeat as the MVP.  I think it's safe(r) to say that the IIAC is on its way to receiving more recognition on the national scale.  If the league is lucky enough to get 2 teams into the national tournament, I could see potential for both making it to at least the 2nd weekend.  NWU, Loras and Simpson will be returning virtually their entire rosters next year.  If we thought the league was deep and tough this year, I don't think it will have any comparison to what we will see next season. 

I, for one, am excited to see how the tournament shakes itself out.  I don't see any clear cut favorite. 

Central travels to BV.  BV won both regular season matchups but struggled with their season finale at Luther.  Winner will travel to Loras, who is 2-0 vs. both teams.  They always say, winning the 3rd is the toughest....guess we will find out how true that is.

Wartburg travels to Simpson.  The teams split W's during the regular season, both winning on their home court.  The winner will travel out to NWU for a chance to knock off the regular season champs.  Both Wartburg and Simpson have been playing well as of late...could we see another early exit for the Wolves?

Best time of the year!

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 20, 2018, 09:05:06 AM
Tonights predictions

Central by 6 over BV
Simpson by 2 over Wartburg
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on February 20, 2018, 09:23:07 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 20, 2018, 09:05:06 AM
Tonights predictions

Central by 6 over BV
Simpson by 2 over Wartburg

I think BV will win tonight, swept Central with 12 + 13 pt wins and not sure if Central will be over blown 20 pt. lead vs Wartburg on Sat.
Simpson  / Wart, if Wart plays like it did last 10:00 vs Cent, they win, if the play like first 30 Simpson by 10

Congrats to LC for matching the Cleveland Browns- 0-16
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 20, 2018, 10:33:51 AM
Central may also use that blown lead as motivation, along with having lost by double digits to BV.   BV struggled with Luther and lost at home to UD.  Will definitely depend on which Beaver team shows up.  BV, on paper, should win this one handly.  However, it's tourney time, and like we saw last year....anything can happen.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 20, 2018, 09:59:00 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 20, 2018, 10:33:51 AM
Central may also use that blown lead as motivation, along with having lost by double digits to BV.   BV struggled with Luther and lost at home to UD.  Will definitely depend on which Beaver team shows up.  BV, on paper, should win this one handly.  However, it's tourney time, and like we saw last year....anything can happen.

Central and Wartburg - both lower seeds - win on the road and advance tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 21, 2018, 09:05:09 AM
2 years in a row that the 5 and 6 seeds have advanced to the second semifinals...and the haters say that the IIAC isn't a deep league. 

Central looked to be in control of BV all game long.  Audio was not working for me, any word on why Winkleman was out?  Thought his absence played a major factor. 

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 02:38:18 PM
The NCAA men's basketball regional advisory committees released their third set of rankings, and as expected, the Atlantic Region was among those getting shuffled. Here's the full list: http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/02/men-regional-rankings-third

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fcdnak1.psbin.com%2Fimg%2Fmw%3D600%2Fmh%3D600%2Fcr%3Dn%2Fd%3D4ima3%2Fdinflo07zg1qa2ww.jpg&hash=686d8e036c15a7019bc8f4723e2af35008adc158)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 21, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
How are Regional rankings determined?  Is it the same committee that votes Top 25?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 21, 2018, 04:01:26 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 21, 2018, 03:42:14 PM
How are Regional rankings determined?  Is it the same committee that votes Top 25?

Feel free to brush up here: http://www.d3hoops.com/interactive/faq/ncaatournament

Top 25 has nothing to do with this... as it doesn't for any NCAA tournament in any division.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 21, 2018, 07:57:50 PM
Wartburg sneaks into the 8 slot for the regional ranks this week, which is big for Loras and NWU as it gives them a couple more results versus RRO. Especially since this is one of the two ranks that count for selection sunday in terms of results versus RRO.

Other places, Augsburg, who is ahead of Loras currently (and beat them H2H) also beat Wartburg so it is another result for them. If Wart loses in the semis, they could fall out and Bethel could sneak in if they have a solid MIAC tournament. This would give Augsburg 2 more results versus regionally ranked opponents.

Alot of scenarios and not a whole lot of hoops left. Will be clear on who will be in the NCAAs really soon!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 22, 2018, 03:26:36 PM
Awesome night of IIAC hoops tonight. As a side note, does anybody know why the IIAC appears to be behind most other conferences around the country when it comes to releasing post season awards?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 22, 2018, 03:49:04 PM
Might be waiting until after the conference tournament.  Believe this was the case last year as well.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 22, 2018, 05:48:09 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 22, 2018, 03:26:36 PM
Awesome night of IIAC hoops tonight. As a side note, does anybody know why the IIAC appears to be behind most other conferences around the country when it comes to releasing post season awards?

I know the MIAC usually has the coaches sumbiit their ballots and votes after the regular season ends. Then the playoffs for  takes precedent this week and they are usually released the following.

Probably the same for the IIAC.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 22, 2018, 09:35:40 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 22, 2018, 03:26:36 PM
Awesome night of IIAC hoops tonight. As a side note, does anybody know why the IIAC appears to be behind most other conferences around the country when it comes to releasing post season awards?

All conferences do this differently. I see a fair share who release them before the tournaments and a fair share who release them after tournaments. Usually the voting is still held prior to the tournaments in all cases, but how they are released is not set by a particular timing. IIAC is not alone in that manner.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 22, 2018, 11:41:20 PM
Central goes into Loras and knocks them off, which unfortunately will probably end their season. They will be back next year with a lot of talent returning, but really thought they could do some damage in the NCAAs this year if they qualified.

Personally rooting for NWU to get the AQ, as I think this team can go on the road and make it out of the first weekend. They really have been rolling lately now that Nate S is healthy and back into his groove he showed last year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 23, 2018, 02:10:21 PM
With a win from Loras last night, it was looking like the IIAC was finally going to be a 2 bid league.  After taking one on the chin, those chances are SLIM.  Central was in control from start to finish last night.  Loras had virtually no answer for Centrals PG, as he was able to get the lane time after time.  A bit of a disappointing end to what was a pretty solid season for the Duhawks.  I'd imagine this group will be quite motivated heading into next season after losing just 1 senior.

Championship prediction...NWU by 21.

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on February 23, 2018, 02:28:43 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 23, 2018, 02:10:21 PM
With a win from Loras last night, it was looking like the IIAC was finally going to be a 2 bid league.  After taking one on the chin, those chances are SLIM.  Central was in control from start to finish last night.  Loras had virtually no answer for Centrals PG, as he was able to get the lane time after time.  A bit of a disappointing end to what was a pretty solid season for the Duhawks.  I'd imagine this group will be quite motivated heading into next season after losing just 1 senior.

Championship prediction...NWU by 21.

Loras' defense, which was its weakness all season long, cost the team a chance at a conference championship last night. Hard to win a game when you give up 58 points in a half and get out-rebounded by 12 on the game. Loras already has two posts committed for next year, including a terrific shot-blocker. Should be right there again next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 25, 2018, 10:01:15 PM
As a Nebraska Wesleyan fan, I was glad to see them come back and win last night. But for the first 30 minutes of the game, Central was playing like the better team. I think Wesleyan came out a little tight, and Central took advantage of that. I don't know what the Central head coach does when the conference tournament comes around, but whatever he does, he knows how to get the team ready to play in the tournament. The Wartburg head coach does a good job also.

Looking at the national boards on here, it looks like the IIAC might get 2 bids. If they do, hopefully Wesleyan and Loras both do well in the tournament, I think that would really help the conference long term.

The conference needs to increase their budget for post season trophies. That was not a very impressive trophy.

On another topic, I thought the officiating in the league had taken a step forward this year as compared to last year. Then came the 2 tournament games. The Wesleyan - Wartburg game on Thursday night was not very well officiated, and the Wesleyan - Central game last night was bizarre. If these are who the conference thinks are the best officials, I would disagree with them. Last night there was 1 official who did not call 1 foul on Wesleyan the whole game. Then there was another official who only called 1 foul on Central the whole game. This same official also gave Cooper Cook his 3rd foul of the game on a call where he did not commit the foul. There was a foul on the play, but it was by another Wesleyan player. This greatly contributed to him eventually fouling out.

Hopefully Loras gets a 2nd bid for the league tomorrow, and the league does well in the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on March 01, 2018, 02:30:05 PM
All Conference announced http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2018/2/27/iiac-2017-18-mens-basketball-all-iowa-conference-team-announced.aspx

Most Valuable Player(s)    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown / High School
Josh Ruggles    Loras    Jr.    G    Wheaton, Ill. / Wheaton-Warrenville South
Ryan Garver    Nebraska Wesleyan    Jr.    F    Lincoln, Neb. / Lincoln Northeast
Sam Amsbaugh ! &    Simpson    Sr.    F    Sheffield, Iowa / West Fork

First Team    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown / High School
David Jeffries ^ ~    Buena Vista    Sr.    G    North Las Vegas, Nev. / Legacy
Kyle Smith *    Central    Sr.    F    Ionia, Iowa / New Hampton
TJ Lake    Dubuque    Sr.    G    Peosta, Iowa / Western Dubuque
Ryan DiCanio &    Loras    Jr.    G    Bartlett, Ill. / Bartlett
Cooper Cook >    Nebraska Wesleyan    Jr.    F    Overland Park, Kan. / Blue Valley North
Nate Schimonitz &    Nebraska Wesleyan    So.    G    Omaha, Neb. / Omaha Creighton Prep
Conor Riordan    Simpson    So.    G    Ankeny, Iowa / Ankeny
Jaran Sabus ~    Wartburg    Jr.    G    Urbandale, Iowa / Urbandale

Second Team    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown / High School
Thomas Wisecup *    Buena Vista    Sr.    G    Sergeant Bluff, Iowa / Sergeant Bluff
Jamel McKnight    Central    Jr.    G    Austin, Texas / Hendrickson
Malik Wildermuth    Central    Sr.    F    Normal, Ill. / University
Spencer Williams    Coe    Sr.    F    Monticello, Iowa / Monticello
Jamaree Atwater *    Dubuque    Sr.    F    Moline, Ill. / Moline
Deion Wells-Ross *    Nebraska Wesleyan    Sr.    F    Omaha, Neb. / Midland University
Cam Kickbush    Wartburg    Jr.    G    Reinbeck, Iowa / Gladbrook-Reinbeck
Nate Woeste # ~    Wartburg    Sr.    F    Atkins, Iowa / Benton Community

Honorable Mention    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown / High School

Billy Sparks    Buena Vista    So.    G    Las Vegas, Nev. / Northwest Career Tech Academy
Rowan McGowen    Loras    Fr.    G    Wheaton, Ill. / Wheaton North
Jack Hiller    Nebraska Wesleyan    So.    G    Olathe, Kan. / Olathe East
Tyler Stumbo    Simpson    Jr.    F    Milford, Iowa / Okoboji
Previous Honors
& - 2016-17 First Team All-Conference
*- 2016-17 Second Team All-Conference
~ - 2016-17 Honorable Mention
> - 2016-17 Most Valuable Player
^ - 2016-17 Defensive Player of the Year
! - 2015-16 First Team All-Conference
@ - 2015-16 Second Team All-Conference
# - 2015-16 Honorable Mention
$ - 2014-15 First Team All-Conference
% - 2014-15 Second Team All-Conference
^ - 2014-15 Honorable Mention
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on March 01, 2018, 02:40:16 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on March 01, 2018, 02:30:05 PM
All Conference announced http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2018/2/27/iiac-2017-18-mens-basketball-all-iowa-conference-team-announced.aspx

Most Valuable Player(s)    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown / High School
Josh Ruggles    Loras    Jr.    G    Wheaton, Ill. / Wheaton-Warrenville South
Ryan Garver    Nebraska Wesleyan    Jr.    F    Lincoln, Neb. / Lincoln Northeast
Sam Amsbaugh ! &    Simpson    Sr.    F    Sheffield, Iowa / West Fork

First Team    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown / High School
David Jeffries ^ ~    Buena Vista    Sr.    G    North Las Vegas, Nev. / Legacy
Kyle Smith *    Central    Sr.    F    Ionia, Iowa / New Hampton
TJ Lake    Dubuque    Sr.    G    Peosta, Iowa / Western Dubuque
Ryan DiCanio &    Loras    Jr.    G    Bartlett, Ill. / Bartlett
Cooper Cook >    Nebraska Wesleyan    Jr.    F    Overland Park, Kan. / Blue Valley North
Nate Schimonitz &    Nebraska Wesleyan    So.    G    Omaha, Neb. / Omaha Creighton Prep
Conor Riordan    Simpson    So.    G    Ankeny, Iowa / Ankeny
Jaran Sabus ~    Wartburg    Jr.    G    Urbandale, Iowa / Urbandale

Second Team    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown / High School
Thomas Wisecup *    Buena Vista    Sr.    G    Sergeant Bluff, Iowa / Sergeant Bluff
Jamel McKnight    Central    Jr.    G    Austin, Texas / Hendrickson
Malik Wildermuth    Central    Sr.    F    Normal, Ill. / University
Spencer Williams    Coe    Sr.    F    Monticello, Iowa / Monticello
Jamaree Atwater *    Dubuque    Sr.    F    Moline, Ill. / Moline
Deion Wells-Ross *    Nebraska Wesleyan    Sr.    F    Omaha, Neb. / Midland University
Cam Kickbush    Wartburg    Jr.    G    Reinbeck, Iowa / Gladbrook-Reinbeck
Nate Woeste # ~    Wartburg    Sr.    F    Atkins, Iowa / Benton Community

Honorable Mention    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown / High School

Billy Sparks    Buena Vista    So.    G    Las Vegas, Nev. / Northwest Career Tech Academy
Rowan McGowen    Loras    Fr.    G    Wheaton, Ill. / Wheaton North
Jack Hiller    Nebraska Wesleyan    So.    G    Olathe, Kan. / Olathe East
Tyler Stumbo    Simpson    Jr.    F    Milford, Iowa / Okoboji
Previous Honors
& - 2016-17 First Team All-Conference
*- 2016-17 Second Team All-Conference
~ - 2016-17 Honorable Mention
> - 2016-17 Most Valuable Player
^ - 2016-17 Defensive Player of the Year
! - 2015-16 First Team All-Conference
@ - 2015-16 Second Team All-Conference
# - 2015-16 Honorable Mention
$ - 2014-15 First Team All-Conference
% - 2014-15 Second Team All-Conference
^ - 2014-15 Honorable Mention

Good for all involved, but interesting/odd that the IIAC decided to name three Co-MVPs. Especially when Ruggles' season was basically in a class of its own when compared to others in the league. No matter - seems like the league got everything else right.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Hawk on March 01, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
Interesting that you say Ruggles' season was in a class of it's own. While he certainly had an outstanding season and deserved to be named MVP, a quick look at the numbers shows Garver's stats weren't too shabby either. Being surrounded by a deeper team probably kept his total numbers down. Percentage-wise, his stats were as good or better than Ruggles'. I don't think he should be downgraded for playing on a good team, and it's not as if Ruggles doesn't have talent around him as wel. Amsbaugh's numbers were also solid. All three are different types of players. Congrats to all 3 players on fantastic years. Here is a look at their numbers (Conference Only, for the purpose of this discussion).

Player      Pts   Reb      FG%         FT%    3Pt%   Ast/Gm Steals
Ruggles      23.3   4.8   49.8%   92.9%   49.1%   3.6      <6
                        
Garver      16.6   4.9   60.8%   82.2%   54.3%   4.0       43
                        
Amsbaugh      18.7   7.4   49.5%   78.8%   28.1%   3.9    13
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on March 01, 2018, 04:02:00 PM
Quote from: J-Hawk on March 01, 2018, 03:18:05 PM
Interesting that you say Ruggles' season was in a class of it's own. While he certainly had an outstanding season and deserved to be named MVP, a quick look at the numbers shows Garver's stats weren't too shabby either. Being surrounded by a deeper team probably kept his total numbers down. Percentage-wise, his stats were as good or better than Ruggles'. I don't think he should be downgraded for playing on a good team, and it's not as if Ruggles doesn't have talent around him as wel. Amsbaugh's numbers were also solid. All three are different types of players. Congrats to all 3 players on fantastic years. Here is a look at their numbers (Conference Only, for the purpose of this discussion).

Player      Pts   Reb      FG%         FT%    3Pt%   Ast/Gm Steals
Ruggles      23.3   4.8   49.8%   92.9%   49.1%   3.6      <6
                        
Garver      16.6   4.9   60.8%   82.2%   54.3%   4.0       43
                        
Amsbaugh      18.7   7.4   49.5%   78.8%   28.1%   3.9    13

With all due respect to Garver, the story you're telling using the percentages is grossly misleading. Garver did shoot 60.8%, but he did so on 70 fewer attempts than Ruggles. Likewise, 54.3% from 3 sounds great until you realize that he shot 46 three pointers all season (compared to 116 from Ruggles). Even though the FT percentages speak for themselves, it should also be noted that Ruggles was almost 11% higher despite shooting 40 more FTA. Now, looking at other statistical categories, Ruggles was first in the league in scoring, FT%, FTM, 3PM, 3PT%, & A/TO. And, Ruggles did all that while playing nearly 2 games worth of minutes (70) fewer than Garver.

No argument from me when it comes to the defensive end of the floor, and Garver was rewarded there justly.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: J-Hawk on March 01, 2018, 05:24:36 PM
I don't completely disagree with you. I'm just playing devil's advocate to the point of MVP. It's not solely an offensive award. You could argue either way with these offensive numbers. You could say Ruggles' numbers are better because he took more shots and maintained a high percentage, and you could argue that Garver would have had better numbers if he had attempted 70 more shots and maintained a high percentage, but we'll never know. Like I said in my original post, Garver didn't need to shoot any more due to the talent around him, and shouldn't be penalized for that. I'm not sure how I feel about having multiple MVP's. I would have been fine with either one of them winning the award outright too. I will say I am glad to see the overall amount of talent in the IIAC, and I am already looking forward to seeing the battles on the court next year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dutch Calvinist Reformer on March 02, 2018, 06:55:41 PM
BVU's Van Haaften heads to Dordt
https://www.dordt.edu/news/40500

A huge loss for for BV, as perhaps the most proven coach in the IIAC jumps to Dordt.  Not often a 400-win guy leaves his school.  Thoughts from the crew?  NAIA vs NCAAD3?

Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on March 03, 2018, 09:39:36 AM
Wow. A little shocked to see that. Did not see him ever leaving BV.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 03, 2018, 10:51:15 AM
NWU looked solid last night, they caught a "break" and won't have to pay WashU as they got upset last night by Aurora. This squad is so hot right now, think they are capable of a deep run. Good luck to the prairie wolves!
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on March 03, 2018, 11:34:04 AM
Quote from: Dutch Calvinist Reformer on March 02, 2018, 06:55:41 PM
BVU's Van Haaften heads to Dordt
https://www.dordt.edu/news/40500

A huge loss for for BV, as perhaps the most proven coach in the IIAC jumps to Dordt.  Not often a 400-win guy leaves his school.  Thoughts from the crew?  NAIA vs NCAAD3?

Definitely unexpected. I suppose the allure of having scholarship money is the key to any coach jumping fron D3 to NAIA. That and maybe a pay raise?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 03, 2018, 04:12:05 PM
IIAC fans,

Gentleman,

Looking at the conference from an outsider's point of view (although I am a NWU grad and former player), please consider the following with regard to some of the points you have recently been discussing.

1. As far as conference awards, I know of no conference in the country where any statistics other than those compiled in conference play only count for post season conference awards. This makes sense because of common opponents only.

2. It's kinda weird to have 3 co-MVPs. However, I actually applaud the IIAC voters. I believe that far too often scoring is the trump card that dominates the thinking/voting. However, you might have a great shooter/scorer who couldn't guard his mom on the other end, who rarely passes to a more open teammate, and whose rebounding totals, even in relation to other guys his own size, are minuscule because he is afraid to go anywhere near the basket. I'm not aware of the specific details that went into the voting, but it's obvious the voters considered multiple facets of the game and their importance when submitting their ballots. This is not meant to diminish the efforts of any of the co-winners in any part of the game. Some are stronger in one area, others in other area(s).

3. The BV coach going to an NAIA school........
Look at the big picture. Someone mentioned scholarship money. I think this is a big deal. With the economic realities of today, and their effects on family life, players are increasing making college decisions based on money as much or more than anything else. It's one thing if a kid wants to major in a subject not offered by many schools, but all schools offer many of the most popular disciplines. If you're looking at NCAA and NAIA schools with equally rated Business departments and the NAIA school is offering $10K more a year in combined academic and athletic money, the decision to save a total of $40K might come pretty easily! Also, I believe NAIA academic standards are generally more relaxed than those at most NCAA member schools. A kid who can't qualify academically at a particular NCAA school or schools often has no problem getting into most if not all of the NAIAs he is considering. In fact, he may have no other choice than to go the NAIA route. Lastly, I doubt that few, if any coaches who have been at a school for many years, and are under no pressure to resign/leave, are going to do so other than for at least some level of increased compensation. 💰 😊

You have a perfect example of a lot of the above in NWU. As the only member of of an NAIA conference not giving athletic scholarships (they adhered to the NCAA philosophy on this point when they held joint NCAA-NAIA membership), they struggled to compete financially with the other schools in the conference. A kid considering, say, NWU, Midland, and Morningside was going to get more money from the NAIA schools—strike one. The kid from Lincoln High who could jump over the basket couldn't get into NWU because he couldn't qualify academically—strike two. The NWU Administration wouldn't either start giving athletic money OR lower their admission requirements thus saddling their coaches with a pretty big handicap in their recruiting efforts—strike three!

The solution, of course, was the choice to drop their NAIA membership and continue solely with an NCAA affiliation. From an academic standpoint, I believe NWU's philosophy always seemed more in tune with NCAA standards anyway. They wanted to remain known primarily for academics (NWU is rated #16 in Midwest Region Universities by US News & World Report) rather than for athletics while remaining competitive in athletics. As such, it's not hard to see why they followed the NCAA path, and sought membership in the IIAC which was really the only NCAA conference that came close to making sense from a geographical standpoint.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2018, 05:38:12 PM
Neither of you guys mentioned two other factors that could very well explain Brian Van Haaften's coaching move: Personal beliefs, and the need for a fresh challenge.

Buena Vista is a secular school. It has a nominal attachment to a mainline Protestant denomination, Presbyterian Church (USA), but the affiliation is so attenuated that it isn't even mentioned on the BVU website. Like most schools affiliated with mainline denominations, BVU has little or no overt Christian emphasis or mission. Dordt, on the other hand, is a strongly Reformed school with a board of trustees whose majority consists of members of the Christian Reformed Church, the same denomination with which Calvin is affiliated. Dordt has a very strong Christian character, and it is very up-front about it in its online presence. Brian Van Haaften is a man of faith, and, given his Dutch surname, I suspect that he comes from a Reformed background as well (either CRC or the Reformed Church of America, the school with which Hope is affiliated, as well as Van Haaften's alma mater, Dordt's archrival Northwestern College). Check out this quote from Sioux City TV station KTIV's website article on Van Haaften's move (http://www.ktiv.com/story/37635901/2018/03/Friday/van-haaften-leaves-buena-vista-for-dordt-hoops-job):

Quote"I am so excited to be the next basketball coach at Dordt College. Dordt is a special place that within its Christ-centered approach it wants to be the best at everything from academics, to relationships, and to the basketball floor. I can't wait to be a part of all of it."

The second matter, the need for a new challenge, Van Haaften directly addresses in his farewell letter to BVU (http://www.bvu.edu/about/president/), published on the school's website as a tweet from BVU President Joshua Merchant:

QuoteIn the end, it is time for me to call it a BVU career. I am moving to Sioux Center, Iowa to be the next basketball coach at Dordt College. Here is the crux of the matter for me. I don't want to live my last 10 years as a coach and just walk off into the sunset, get lethargic and just hang on. I've watched too many coaches in my lifetime do that. I want a challenge that rejuvenates me, that makes me stretch and be the best that I can be. It's time for a new voice in the BVU program, and it's time for me to improve and get fired up for a new venture. I have given my all to this program for 22 years, and have no regrets, but for this once, I am going to make a selfish move and take a risk of trying to chase championships at a new place.

His long-term success at BVU speaks for itself. Dordt? The Defenders are coming off of two losing seasons after a very successful run prior to that. What he's saying here makes sense in that context.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 09, 2018, 05:37:54 PM
Good luck to NWU tonight, as mentioned in the NCAA tourney thread, I hope I can see a NWU vs. Whitman matchup tomorrow.

Also, great article on d3hoops.com about the Prairie Wolves!

http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2018/nebraska-wesleyan-learning-as-they-go (http://www.d3hoops.com/playoffs/men/2018/nebraska-wesleyan-learning-as-they-go)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 09, 2018, 05:42:24 PM
Seconding the above.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 09, 2018, 11:08:39 PM
Congrats to my alma mater, the Nebraska Wesleyan Prairie Wolves, who I still think of as the Plainsmen, on advancing to face the #1 rated team. I sense many people didn't give them much chance of making the Sweet Sixteen let alone the Elite Eight.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 09, 2018, 11:16:38 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 09, 2018, 11:08:39 PM
Congrats to my alma mater, the Nebraska Wesleyan Prairie Wolves, who I still think of as the Plainsmen, on advancing to face the #1 rated team. I sense many people didn't give them much chance of making the Sweet Sixteen let alone the Elite Eight.

Hmm... I don't think that was true. I certainly thought if they got past their first opponents (I have been high on Maryville) that they could make a run to be sure. Tonight's game was the one I was most intrigued with and they played pretty well. I am not overly shocked they are in the elite eight, but with parity these days I am less shocked by most results.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sac on March 10, 2018, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2018, 05:38:12 PM
Neither of you guys mentioned two other factors that could very well explain Brian Van Haaften's coaching move: Personal beliefs, and the need for a fresh challenge.

Buena Vista is a secular school. It has a nominal attachment to a mainline Protestant denomination, Presbyterian Church (USA), but the affiliation is so attenuated that it isn't even mentioned on the BVU website. Like most schools affiliated with mainline denominations, BVU has little or no overt Christian emphasis or mission. Dordt, on the other hand, is a strongly Reformed school with a board of trustees whose majority consists of members of the Christian Reformed Church, the same denomination with which Calvin is affiliated. Dordt has a very strong Christian character, and it is very up-front about it in its online presence. Brian Van Haaften is a man of faith, and, given his Dutch surname, I suspect that he comes from a Reformed background as well (either CRC or the Reformed Church of America, the school with which Hope is affiliated, as well as Van Haaften's alma mater, Dordt's archrival Northwestern College). Check out this quote from Sioux City TV station KTIV's website article on Van Haaften's move (http://www.ktiv.com/story/37635901/2018/03/Friday/van-haaften-leaves-buena-vista-for-dordt-hoops-job):

Quote"I am so excited to be the next basketball coach at Dordt College. Dordt is a special place that within its Christ-centered approach it wants to be the best at everything from academics, to relationships, and to the basketball floor. I can't wait to be a part of all of it."

The second matter, the need for a new challenge, Van Haaften directly addresses in his farewell letter to BVU (http://www.bvu.edu/about/president/), published on the school's website as a tweet from BVU President Joshua Merchant:

QuoteIn the end, it is time for me to call it a BVU career. I am moving to Sioux Center, Iowa to be the next basketball coach at Dordt College. Here is the crux of the matter for me. I don't want to live my last 10 years as a coach and just walk off into the sunset, get lethargic and just hang on. I've watched too many coaches in my lifetime do that. I want a challenge that rejuvenates me, that makes me stretch and be the best that I can be. It's time for a new voice in the BVU program, and it's time for me to improve and get fired up for a new venture. I have given my all to this program for 22 years, and have no regrets, but for this once, I am going to make a selfish move and take a risk of trying to chase championships at a new place.

His long-term success at BVU speaks for itself. Dordt? The Defenders are coming off of two losing seasons after a very successful run prior to that. What he's saying here makes sense in that context.

VanHaaften interviewed and was a candidate for the Hope job 8 years ago. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 10, 2018, 05:29:03 PM
Quote from: sac on March 10, 2018, 01:33:02 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on March 03, 2018, 05:38:12 PM
Neither of you guys mentioned two other factors that could very well explain Brian Van Haaften's coaching move: Personal beliefs, and the need for a fresh challenge.

Buena Vista is a secular school. It has a nominal attachment to a mainline Protestant denomination, Presbyterian Church (USA), but the affiliation is so attenuated that it isn't even mentioned on the BVU website. Like most schools affiliated with mainline denominations, BVU has little or no overt Christian emphasis or mission. Dordt, on the other hand, is a strongly Reformed school with a board of trustees whose majority consists of members of the Christian Reformed Church, the same denomination with which Calvin is affiliated. Dordt has a very strong Christian character, and it is very up-front about it in its online presence. Brian Van Haaften is a man of faith, and, given his Dutch surname, I suspect that he comes from a Reformed background as well (either CRC or the Reformed Church of America, the school with which Hope is affiliated, as well as Van Haaften's alma mater, Dordt's archrival Northwestern College). Check out this quote from Sioux City TV station KTIV's website article on Van Haaften's move (http://www.ktiv.com/story/37635901/2018/03/Friday/van-haaften-leaves-buena-vista-for-dordt-hoops-job):

Quote"I am so excited to be the next basketball coach at Dordt College. Dordt is a special place that within its Christ-centered approach it wants to be the best at everything from academics, to relationships, and to the basketball floor. I can't wait to be a part of all of it."

The second matter, the need for a new challenge, Van Haaften directly addresses in his farewell letter to BVU (http://www.bvu.edu/about/president/), published on the school's website as a tweet from BVU President Joshua Merchant:

QuoteIn the end, it is time for me to call it a BVU career. I am moving to Sioux Center, Iowa to be the next basketball coach at Dordt College. Here is the crux of the matter for me. I don't want to live my last 10 years as a coach and just walk off into the sunset, get lethargic and just hang on. I've watched too many coaches in my lifetime do that. I want a challenge that rejuvenates me, that makes me stretch and be the best that I can be. It's time for a new voice in the BVU program, and it's time for me to improve and get fired up for a new venture. I have given my all to this program for 22 years, and have no regrets, but for this once, I am going to make a selfish move and take a risk of trying to chase championships at a new place.

His long-term success at BVU speaks for itself. Dordt? The Defenders are coming off of two losing seasons after a very successful run prior to that. What he's saying here makes sense in that context.

VanHaaften interviewed and was a candidate for the Hope job 8 years ago.

I didn't realize that, but it makes complete sense in the context of what I posted about Van Haaften. Thanks, sac.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 11, 2018, 01:44:02 AM
Quote from: AndOne on March 09, 2018, 11:08:39 PM
Congrats to my alma mater, the Nebraska Wesleyan Prairie Wolves, who I still think of as the Plainsmen, on advancing to face the #1 rated team. I sense many people didn't give them much chance of making the Sweet Sixteen let alone the Elite Eight.

And an additional shout out to the men of NWU for tonight's takedown of the nation's #1 team on their way to Salem and a national championship. 🏀 😊
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 11, 2018, 08:57:27 AM
Congratulations to Nebraska Wesleyan!  My wife and I lived in Lincoln from 2011 to 2014 and NWU became my adopted Division III team -- I watched the Prairie Wolves play many times during that span.  It's been nice to see them crush it during the tournament.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2018, 12:49:59 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 11, 2018, 08:57:27 AM
Congratulations to Nebraska Wesleyan!  My wife and I lived in Lincoln from 2011 to 2014 and NWU became my adopted Division III team -- I watched the Prairie Wolves play many times during that span.  It's been nice to see them crush it during the tournament.

Awesome! This means Bob is coming to Salem! One of his teams is playing... he has to be there! :)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 11, 2018, 04:56:01 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mike Rejniak on March 12, 2018, 11:33:01 AM
​Dear D3 Faithful ;D,
     I have read many of your posts throughout the years and even met some of you in person, but for those who I haven't met, let me introduce myself: my name is Michael Rejniak and I have spent over 14 years coaching Division 3 basketball and love what our division has done and continues to do for  the sport of basketball. One of the greatest things about Division 3 basketball is the brotherhood that we all have with one another (coaches and players alike). My wish is to showcase the talents of D3 on a national stage in The Basketball Tournament (TBT).  You may have heard me speak about this on the Hoopsville Marathon with Dave McHugh of D3hoops.com (at the 6:11 mark). The TBT is a national tournament that is televised in July/August on ESPN after the NBA season is over. My goal is to put forth an all-star D3 team (current players are ineligible) and have them compete in this tournament to take on Former D1 / semi-pro's to prove that D3 deserves the same respect as other NCAA divisions. The team is mostly complete with former student-athletes from all over the country competing. Once the roster is complete we will be sure to release it through d3hoops. Former Babson College National Champion Matthew Droney '17 will also be assisting me on this journey.

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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 12, 2018, 02:45:00 PM
LORAS DECOMMITMENT

Jared Crutcher, a 6'5" PF from West Aurora IL HS, who had previously announced he would be attending Loras next year, has withdrawn that commitment and reopened his recruitment.
Crutcher, who possesses a 7'2" wingspan and blocked 82 shots this season, averaged 13.2 PPG on 56% shooting. He also averaged 8.8 RPG. He was chosen as captain of the Fox Valley All-Area team.
Speculation is that he is looking for D2 or NAIA scholarship money.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: (509)Rat on March 12, 2018, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 12, 2018, 02:45:00 PMSpeculation is that he is looking for D2 or NAIA scholarship money.

Seems silly not to
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 12, 2018, 05:57:39 PM
Quote from: (509)Rat on March 12, 2018, 05:11:27 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 12, 2018, 02:45:00 PMSpeculation is that he is looking for D2 or NAIA scholarship money.

Seems silly not to

Yes.
And what also might have been silly, if thats what happened, was committing before waiting until the end of the season when his real worth would be able to be known. Without researching all of his games, it wouldn't be surprising if he had some time excellent outings after he committed and drew renewed interest from athletic giving institutions. I can't imagine waiting would have hurt him in any way. I'm sure if Coach Martin wanted him earlier, he'd also want him now. He doesn't seem like a someone who initially show interest in a kid and then pull back from that initial level. And I imagine he, or any other coach for that matter, would like a "no thanks" later than a commitment sooner, but a decommitment later. It would have saved all the time the staff spent on the kid. Another example of the uncertainty associated with D3 recruiting. You often can't really check the box until a kid shows up at practice on Oct 15.

Lastly, kids may sometimes feel pressure, either expressly stated or implied, from outside sources to make a premature decision. A parent wanting a kid to decide earlier rather than later for whatever reason? And, now days, with the advent of such services, you might even see some type of recruiting "specialist" or service push a kid to decide before he may really be ready so they can publicize their service. I'm not suggesting any of these possibilities were involved in this particular situation, but in the wacky world of recruiting, a surprise sometimes lurks around every corner. 😏
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Titan Q on March 12, 2018, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 12, 2018, 02:45:00 PM
LORAS DECOMMITMENT

Jared Crutcher, a 6'5" PF from West Aurora IL HS, who had previously announced he would be attending Loras next year, has withdrawn that commitment and reopened his recruitment.
Crutcher, who possesses a 7'2" wingspan and blocked 82 shots this season, averaged 13.2 PPG on 56% shooting. He also averaged 8.8 RPG. He was chosen as captain of the Fox Valley All-Area team.
Speculation is that he is looking for D2 or NAIA scholarship money.

I know he was offered by D2 Lewis...and I believe he is going there.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 12, 2018, 09:32:04 PM
This is one of those perfect examples why I don't pay attention to DIII recruiting... too many variables could lead to any player deciding not to play at the school or period.

I think it might be interesting for those of you who track them... how many actually end up at the schools first "reported," how many end up playing in games, and how many end up being players of note. It might be interesting data.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on March 13, 2018, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 12, 2018, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 12, 2018, 02:45:00 PM
LORAS DECOMMITMENT

Jared Crutcher, a 6'5" PF from West Aurora IL HS, who had previously announced he would be attending Loras next year, has withdrawn that commitment and reopened his recruitment.
Crutcher, who possesses a 7'2" wingspan and blocked 82 shots this season, averaged 13.2 PPG on 56% shooting. He also averaged 8.8 RPG. He was chosen as captain of the Fox Valley All-Area team.
Speculation is that he is looking for D2 or NAIA scholarship money.

I know he was offered by D2 Lewis...and I believe he is going there.

Based on this article, looks like finances at Loras came back differently than originally anticipated for whatever reason. Also looks like this is a process that won't play out too quickly based on the schools listed: http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/sports/ct-abn-boys-basketball-west-aurora-st-0313-20180312-story,amp.html?__twitter_impression=true
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on March 13, 2018, 11:19:12 AM
Congratulations to Loras' Josh Ruggles (first team), Nebraska Wesleyan's Ryan Garver (first team), & Simpson's Sam Amsbaugh (2nd team) on their NABC All-Region honors. Given that the NABC only picks two teams per region, heck of an accomplishment for all three.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 13, 2018, 12:48:02 PM
Loras has grown their enrollment in recent years.  I wonder if their low endowment (around $30million) means there is less aid money to throw towards those additional students?

BVU, Dubuque, and Luther all have endowments over $100million.  Almost all the other IIAC schools have endowments between $70-$100million. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 14, 2018, 06:48:44 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on March 13, 2018, 11:12:33 AM
Quote from: Titan Q on March 12, 2018, 06:51:31 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 12, 2018, 02:45:00 PM
LORAS DECOMMITMENT

Jared Crutcher, a 6'5" PF from West Aurora IL HS, who had previously announced he would be attending Loras next year, has withdrawn that commitment and reopened his recruitment.
Crutcher, who possesses a 7'2" wingspan and blocked 82 shots this season, averaged 13.2 PPG on 56% shooting. He also averaged 8.8 RPG. He was chosen as captain of the Fox Valley All-Area team.
Speculation is that he is looking for D2 or NAIA scholarship money.

I know he was offered by D2 Lewis...and I believe he is going there.

Based on this article, looks like finances at Loras came back differently than originally anticipated for whatever reason. Also looks like this is a process that won't play out too quickly based on the schools listed: http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/aurora-beacon-news/sports/ct-abn-boys-basketball-west-aurora-st-0313-20180312-story,amp.html?__twitter_impression=true

It seems that as the years go by, both decommitments before a recruit even enters college and transfers to another school after a year or two, continue on the upswing. However, this is not surprising given the almost epidemic like rash of transfers we now see on a regular basis in the high school ranks. It's gotten to the point of going beyond ridiculous. A perfect example is contained within the article Hoosiersfan2323 cited above. Two of the starters on the HS team that defeated Crutcher's team in the IL State Playoffs transferred from other high schools. This has been going on for several years at the HS level in IL, and now we are starting to see it more and more at the college level.
Don't be surprised if the trend continues at an even higher rate in the future.  :(
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 14, 2018, 07:00:18 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 13, 2018, 12:48:02 PM
Loras has grown their enrollment in recent years.  I wonder if their low endowment (around $30million) means there is less aid money to throw towards those additional students?

BVU, Dubuque, and Luther all have endowments over $100million.  Almost all the other IIAC schools have endowments between $70-$100million.

If Loras has grown their enrollment ( it's still only about 1450) and endowment in recent years, you would think they would have an increased amount of 💵 available to spend on recruitment and to increase the amounts in the financial aid packages that they offer their recruits.
Is Loras the poor cousin of the IIAC?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 14, 2018, 09:20:47 PM
Quote from: AndOne on March 14, 2018, 07:00:18 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 13, 2018, 12:48:02 PM
Loras has grown their enrollment in recent years.  I wonder if their low endowment (around $30million) means there is less aid money to throw towards those additional students?

BVU, Dubuque, and Luther all have endowments over $100million.  Almost all the other IIAC schools have endowments between $70-$100million.

If Loras has grown their enrollment ( it's still only about 1450) and endowment in recent years, you would think they would have an increased amount of 💵 available to spend on recruitment and to increase the amounts in the financial aid packages that they offer their recruits.
Is Loras the poor cousin of the IIAC?

There was a series of articles in the Dubuque Telegraph-Herald last year about athletics at the 4 area schools.  Clarke, Dubuque, Loras, UW-Platteville.  I want to say Loras increased enrollment from like 1,300 up to about 1,700.  Their endowment has remained low.  My point was, if there are now about 400 more students on campus, Loras might not have as much money to give out to each of those students.

Endowment figures I got from NACUBO.

Luther 161.8 million
Dubuque 147.2 million
BVU 125.5 million
Coe 86.8 million (2 year old data)
Simpson 78.6 million (year old data)
Central 76.5 million
Wartburg 73.9 million (per Wartburg)
NWU 56.4 million
Loras 36.1 million

That might not mean a whole lot.  Another factor to figure is yearly giving levels at each school, debt load at each school, each school might dole out aid with different philosophies. 

 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Drake Palmer on March 16, 2018, 09:27:59 PM
Woowie!!! What a ball game!  NWU wins in OT to advance to the Big Natty Dance!

 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on March 16, 2018, 09:54:43 PM
NOT the Neb Wes and Springfield game I was expecting.  For much of the game, NWU couldn't have rung up 130 on a decent hs team!  No doubt Springfield had something to do with that, but it mostly looked much more like bad offense than good defense.  The final four minutes of OT is the Neb Web I kept expecting!

It's the title game I expected all week.  Good luck to Neb Wes! ;D  [In 1997 the Titans you lost to were my IWU Titans - I give you full permission to beat these 'pretend' Titans! ::)]
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 17, 2018, 02:13:34 AM

All four teams struggled to shoot at the beginning of their games.  It does feel like NebWes didn't really play their game in the first half.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AllStar on March 17, 2018, 08:59:38 PM
Congratulations Nebraska Wesleyan!

(https://i.imgur.com/nmmai4K.png)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 17, 2018, 11:13:08 PM
Quote from: AllStar on March 17, 2018, 08:59:38 PM
Congratulations Nebraska Wesleyan!

(https://i.imgur.com/nmmai4K.png)

Awesome!  8-)
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coocooforcoekohawk on March 18, 2018, 09:21:52 PM
Congratulations Prairie Wolves.
I watched the championship game.
I look forward to seeing you in person next year when you come to Cedar Rapids.
I believe everyone is coming back, but one?
Very impressive shooting.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on March 18, 2018, 11:50:01 PM
Those are cool graphics, AllStar. +k
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 20, 2018, 12:53:40 AM
Final Poll is out with NWU named the nation's #1 team.

http://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2017-18/final
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on March 20, 2018, 11:58:25 AM
It seems that in the locker room at Platteville before the Whitman game, NWU Coach Dale Wellman wrote a message on the board;

To be the best, we have to beat the best.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
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Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tomt4525 on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
I'm a UWSP fan and come in peace.  The Pointers just received a commitment from Dubuque Wahlert 6'6" Senior, Peter Timmerman.  Does any posters who frequent here have any information on him?  I can't find much online.  Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 09, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: tomt4525 on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
I'm a UWSP fan and come in peace.  The Pointers just received a commitment from Dubuque Wahlert 6'6" Senior, Peter Timmerman.  Does any posters who frequent here have any information on him?  I can't find much online.  Thanks

You just have to know where to look Tom.  :)
This season's stats

Games: 22
PPG: 14.0
FG attempts: 223
FG made: 90
FG %: 40.4%
3pt attempts: 78
3pt made: 28
3pt %: 35.9%
FT attempts: 123
FT made: 99
FT %: 80.5%
RPG: 6.5
APG: 2.1
SPG: 0.6
BPG: 0.5
TOPG: 3.1
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tomt4525 on April 09, 2018, 03:40:14 PM
Quote from: AndOne on April 09, 2018, 03:32:21 PM
Quote from: tomt4525 on April 09, 2018, 01:30:58 PM
I'm a UWSP fan and come in peace.  The Pointers just received a commitment from Dubuque Wahlert 6'6" Senior, Peter Timmerman.  Does any posters who frequent here have any information on him?  I can't find much online.  Thanks

You just have to know where to look Tom.  :)
This season's stats

Games: 22
PPG: 14.0
FG attempts: 223
FG made: 90
FG %: 40.4%
3pt attempts: 78
3pt made: 28
3pt %: 35.9%
FT attempts: 123
FT made: 99
FT %: 80.5%
RPG: 6.5
APG: 2.1
SPG: 0.6
BPG: 0.5
TOPG: 3.1

I was able to find the stats, I was more looking to hear from people that saw him play.  What are his strengths and weaknesses??  Obviously a good free throw shooter and someone who gets to the line often.  From what I read, he seems more like a wing.  What is his quickness like??  Does he have a long wingspan that helps on the defensive end??
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tomt4525 on April 09, 2018, 03:47:11 PM
Maybe a basis for comparison would be a good way to start....how does Timmerman compare to the Duax kids that matriculated from Dubuque to the WIAC recently??  Robert plays at Platteville and was this year's Player of the Year.  Connor was a freshman at Oshkosh and played quite a few minutes in his first year.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 09, 2018, 04:01:25 PM
Well, you did ask if anyone had any information on him.  ;)

In answer to your last question, IDK what his wingspan is but, even if substantial, it evidently didn't help much as, even with being 6'7" he only blocked 12 shots all year. Also, his 3.1 TOsPG give rise for concern. His stats seem to point toward him being more offensively orientated.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on April 12, 2018, 08:58:23 AM
BV has found their new coach, Todd Lorensen. "pending successful completion of a standard background check."

"Lorensen just recently completed his fourth season as head men's basketball coach at Southwestern Community College in Creston, Iowa, where he quickly became one of the storied head coaches in the program's recent history. "

http://www.bvuathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180410gwvm2o

My ? - Why not wait until AFTER background check to announce?
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 12, 2018, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on April 12, 2018, 08:58:23 AM
BV has found their new coach, Todd Lorensen. "pending successful completion of a standard background check."

"Lorensen just recently completed his fourth season as head men's basketball coach at Southwestern Community College in Creston, Iowa, where he quickly became one of the storied head coaches in the program's recent history. "

http://www.bvuathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180410gwvm2o

My ? - Why not wait until AFTER background check to announce?

I thought the same thing about waiting until after the background check.  But I wonder if in this age of instant news, BVU needed to release a statement now because message boards, twitter, facebook, snapchat and what not would be talking about his hiring sooner rather than later. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 12, 2018, 12:42:38 PM
I have found background checks can last from 2 to 10 days and thus.. the news would get out. I think the comment is less common than it used to be as well ... or the background checks are taking place during the interview process at some schools (which is what I would think would be the better option). In other words, I think some hires are taking place without worrying about adding the "background check" comment while it is going on anyway.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 12, 2018, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on April 12, 2018, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on April 12, 2018, 08:58:23 AM
BV has found their new coach, Todd Lorensen. "pending successful completion of a standard background check."

"Lorensen just recently completed his fourth season as head men's basketball coach at Southwestern Community College in Creston, Iowa, where he quickly became one of the storied head coaches in the program's recent history. "

http://www.bvuathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180410gwvm2o

My ? - Why not wait until AFTER background check to announce?

I thought the same thing about waiting until after the background check.  But I wonder if in this age of instant news, BVU needed to release a statement now because message boards, twitter, facebook, snapchat and what not would be talking about his hiring sooner rather than later. 

... except that, if the prospective new coach turns out to have a criminal past, the school ends up with egg on its face -- whereas, if the school waited until the background check was completed before the prospective new coach was announced, it can always claim, truthfully and contra any social-media leakers, that said coach had never been hired in the first place, thereby preventing a public relations disaster.

Making an official announcement gives a hiring a public-relations imprimatur, even if it's qualified with a hedge such as "pending successful completion of a standard background check."

One of the worst things that a school can do is to announce the hiring of a new coach before thoroughly checking the coach's background. In 2001 George O'Leary, who had coached my high school's football team when I was a student there, and who later had extended tenures as the head football coach at Georgia Tech and Central Florida, was hired by Notre Dame to be its new head coach. Within days, the Manchester Union-Leader discovered that, contrary to O'Leary's claim, he had never played for the University of New Hampshire when he was an undergraduate there. Furthermore, he had also lied on his resume about his master's degree, claiming to have received one from the fictional "NYU-Stony Brook" when in fact he didn't have a master's degree at all. Notre Dame was forced to fire him less than a week after hiring him, to its great embarrassment.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 12, 2018, 12:42:38 PM
I have found background checks can last from 2 to 10 days and thus.. the news would get out. I think the comment is less common than it used to be as well ... or the background checks are taking place during the interview process at some schools (which is what I would think would be the better option). In other words, I think some hires are taking place without worrying about adding the "background check" comment while it is going on anyway.

My impression is that having the background-check process take place during the interview phase is standard procedure at most schools.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 12, 2018, 01:58:37 PM
To put an IIAC spin on your George O'Leary part of the story.  He did play college football...at the University of Dubuque, for two years before transferring to New Hampshire and was not a part of the football team at that school. 
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WUPHF on April 12, 2018, 02:09:59 PM
I would have to think though that Buena Vista also runs a background check only after the hire is made.  I am referring to the background checks that are little more than credit checks.  It is unlikely that they would have run this on all the candidates, but it is likely that they will run one on the hire.

I had to delay my last start date by almost three weeks while waiting for the background check because they did not like one of my previous addresses.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 12, 2018, 02:34:10 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on April 12, 2018, 01:23:03 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on April 12, 2018, 10:17:14 AM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on April 12, 2018, 08:58:23 AM
BV has found their new coach, Todd Lorensen. "pending successful completion of a standard background check."

"Lorensen just recently completed his fourth season as head men's basketball coach at Southwestern Community College in Creston, Iowa, where he quickly became one of the storied head coaches in the program's recent history. "

http://www.bvuathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2017-18/releases/20180410gwvm2o

My ? - Why not wait until AFTER background check to announce?

I thought the same thing about waiting until after the background check.  But I wonder if in this age of instant news, BVU needed to release a statement now because message boards, twitter, facebook, snapchat and what not would be talking about his hiring sooner rather than later. 

... except that, if the prospective new coach turns out to have a criminal past, the school ends up with egg on its face -- whereas, if the school waited until the background check was completed before the prospective new coach was announced, it can always claim, truthfully and contra any social-media leakers, that said coach had never been hired in the first place, thereby preventing a public relations disaster.

Making an official announcement gives a hiring a public-relations imprimatur, even if it's qualified with a hedge such as "pending successful completion of a standard background check."

One of the worst things that a school can do is to announce the hiring of a new coach before thoroughly checking the coach's background. In 2001 George O'Leary, who had coached my high school's football team when I was a student there, and who later had extended tenures as the head football coach at Georgia Tech and Central Florida, was hired by Notre Dame to be its new head coach. Within days, the Manchester Union-Leader discovered that, contrary to O'Leary's claim, he had never played for the University of New Hampshire when he was an undergraduate there. Furthermore, he had also lied on his resume about his master's degree, claiming to have received one from the fictional "NYU-Stony Brook" when in fact he didn't have a master's degree at all. Notre Dame was forced to fire him less than a week after hiring him, to its great embarrassment.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 12, 2018, 12:42:38 PM
I have found background checks can last from 2 to 10 days and thus.. the news would get out. I think the comment is less common than it used to be as well ... or the background checks are taking place during the interview process at some schools (which is what I would think would be the better option). In other words, I think some hires are taking place without worrying about adding the "background check" comment while it is going on anyway.

My impression is that having the background-check process take place during the interview phase is standard procedure at most schools.

Yes - I have found more schools are doing this during the interview process now-a-days. Once in a while, like this case, I find that it takes place after the decision is made and the person has, tentatively, accepted (my alma mater was another example; took them ten days between the school telling selected alumni and the official announcement).

I think some schools also go for it despite the risk of "egg on their face" because they are quite confident of the hire and no background issues. Sometimes there is a timing thing involved and they know that the information getting out sooner rather than later would be helpful.

I don't disagree that the "egg on their face" occurrence could ... occur, but again as I stated, I think more schools are also doing this far more in advance than in the past ... so the statement in the BVU release is both less common and usually not even uttered.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on April 12, 2018, 02:53:37 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on April 12, 2018, 01:58:37 PM
To put an IIAC spin on your George O'Leary part of the story.  He did play college football...at the University of Dubuque, for two years before transferring to New Hampshire and was not a part of the football team at that school. 

What a weird coincidence! :o

Quote from: WUPHF on April 12, 2018, 02:09:59 PM
I would have to think though that Buena Vista also runs a background check only after the hire is made.  I am referring to the background checks that are little more than credit checks.  It is unlikely that they would have run this on all the candidates, but it is likely that they will run one on the hire.

I had to delay my last start date by almost three weeks while waiting for the background check because they did not like one of my previous addresses.

Yeah, the background check that I meant is the criminal background check. That's the one with which I'm familiar, because as part of my job I have to request them and have them processed by a security company. But, as I implied with the O'Leary example, résumé verification ought to be a part of the due diligence expected of any school's human resources department.

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 12, 2018, 02:34:10 PMI think some schools also go for it despite the risk of "egg on their face" because they are quite confident of the hire and no background issues.

Famous last words: "We are quite confident of the hire, and he has no background issues."  ;)

Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on April 12, 2018, 02:34:10 PM
Sometimes there is a timing thing involved and they know that the information getting out sooner rather than later would be helpful.

Yeah, I can see that being a relevant issue in some cases. Good point. It's still risky, though. Not that background checks are foolproof, but they are necessary. Whether they're significant or insignificant, everybody has skeletons in his or her closet ... and certain skeletons ought to be deal-breakers.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on April 13, 2018, 06:36:49 AM

I also wonder if it's perhaps, a more thorough background check that involves some permissions and access by the new coach themselves.  I could see a situation in which the coach would want a contingent contract in that scenario - one that lays out the types of things that would prevent them from getting the job - before opening up their life to added scrutiny.

I have no idea what schools would ask for these days, but if they're looking into finances or health or something like that, you might want it all spelled out on paper first.
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on August 03, 2018, 08:21:47 AM
Wartburg's Jaran Sabus plays for USA in Brazil

https://go-knights.net/news/2018/7/31/mens-basketball-sabus-traveled-to-brazil-with-diii-usa-basketball.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: Iowa Intercollegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rlgyank on August 09, 2018, 02:03:38 PM
The IIAC is now the American Rivers Conference. Do we get a new thread or stay on this one????? :-)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2018, 04:06:45 PM
Just keep hitting reply.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 18, 2018, 02:48:26 PM
Season is just under a month away and I, for one, can't wait to see what this league brings to the table this year.  I know it gets said every year, but the balance this season and the national attention NWU will bring make for exciting 5-6 months. 

Anybody have insight on how their teams are looking? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: BLynn on September 18, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
The Plainsmen, ah, the Prairie Wolves will dominate this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 19, 2018, 01:23:21 PM
There are a couple of teams that could give NWU a run for their money.  Loras split with them last year and returns all but 1 from last years roster.  New coaches always seem to do well in the league, it will be hard to count out BV in giving them fits. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on September 21, 2018, 12:07:13 PM
Just in case anyone cares, Nebraska Wesleyan is receiving their National Championship rings tomorrow afternoon at halftime of the football game. Everyone is invited to come!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on September 21, 2018, 01:58:41 PM
Just saw that NWU was preseason  ranked #1 by Street & Smith's magazine.

https://nwusports.com/news/2018/9/21/mens-basketball-nebraska-wesleyan-preseason-1-in-street-smiths-magazine.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2018, 02:47:04 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on September 21, 2018, 01:58:41 PM
Just saw that NWU was preseason  ranked #1 by Street & Smith's magazine.

https://nwusports.com/news/2018/9/21/mens-basketball-nebraska-wesleyan-preseason-1-in-street-smiths-magazine.aspx

Street & Smith's doesn't tend to know a lot about Division III, but that's a solid pick, for sure. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on September 23, 2018, 12:48:46 PM
Quote from: BLynn on September 18, 2018, 03:58:23 PM
The Plainsmen, ah, the Prairie Wolves will dominate this year.

Feels like a tough take when there's a Loras team around that beat the Prairie Wolves once, barely lost to them the second time, graduated one player, and added a freshman big man (interior defense was a glaring weakness for the Duhawks last year) who had several D2 offers, including one from the defending D2 national champs. Should be a war at the top.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 24, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
I'd saw NWU will be the unanimous #1 when all rankings come out.  I'd be interested to see what the Streets and Smith top 25 look like for comparison sake to when D3 Hoops release theirs (any idea when that is?)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2018, 03:45:06 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on September 24, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
I'd saw NWU will be the unanimous #1 when all rankings come out.  I'd be interested to see what the Streets and Smith top 25 look like for comparison sake to when D3 Hoops release theirs (any idea when that is?)

I'd like to say we will have ours up around Oct. 15, but we haven't started the process yet.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 25, 2018, 12:53:14 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on September 24, 2018, 02:52:51 PM
I'd saw NWU will be the unanimous #1 when all rankings come out.  I'd be interested to see what the Streets and Smith top 25 look like for comparison sake to when D3 Hoops release theirs (any idea when that is?)

I usually find the comparison to be ... sadly laughable. Nothing against Street and Smith because I have no idea how they try and put out their Top 25 ... but each year there are a lot of choices that I just can't grasp.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on September 25, 2018, 03:01:27 AM
I have a great deal of respect for Chuck Mistovich, who does the Street & Smith D3 preseason ranking. He's been working the small-college basketball beat since approximately forever, and I can remember back in the dark ages before d3hoops.com when Chuck's Basketball Times column was the only source of information available as to what was going on in-season on the D3 men's hoops national scene. (I subscribed to Basketball Times for the sole purpose of reading Chuck's column in it.)

The fact of the matter is, though, that he's only one man, and his assignment is to cover small-college varsity basketball in its entirety. That includes D2, D3, and the NAIA. That's simply too much ground for one journalist to cover effectively. I mean no insult to Chuck, but the manpower, resources, and specific focus upon D3 alone that d3hoops.com brings to bear on the subject of D3 men's basketball coverage in general (and the preseason ranking and preview process in particular) make it a far superior source of information and opinion than Street & Smith.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 25, 2018, 03:57:38 PM
One individual cover that much is ridiculous.  The guy clearly, based on what you've said, has a passion for the D3 level.  Maybe D3Hoops could get him as a guest writer periodically?  I've personally never read any of his stories. 

Any IIAC teams other than NWU that you think will crack the top 25 to start the season, Dave/Pat?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2018, 04:12:34 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on September 25, 2018, 03:57:38 PM
Any IIAC teams other than NWU that you think will crack the top 25 to start the season, Dave/Pat?

Not at the moment. Who do you think should be on our radar?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on September 25, 2018, 04:21:58 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on September 25, 2018, 03:57:38 PM
Any IIAC teams other than NWU that you think will crack the top 25 to start the season, Dave/Pat?

I could see Loras getting some attention. I know they were on my radar the second half of the season, but I didn't feel comfortable putting them on my ballot. With what they return and how they played against the defending champs ... maybe they get some attention? I'm not sure they can crack the Top 25, though. There are far too many terrific teams returning this year after having pretty good seasons last year.

We have talked about parity in Division III men's basketball the last few years. That conversation revolved around the fact that there were a lot of good teams, but no great or exceptional teams. I know I discussed that there were teams far too high on my ballot, but I needed to fill out spots 8-15 and did so with teams that in the past I wouldn't consider being that lofty.

I think the parity conversation will continue this year, but instead of a convo of Team X being far too high at 8... it will be a convo of Team Y being far too low at 20, but there being no place to put them above - because there are SO many good teams this year.

There are a lot of teams who basically bring back everything from a squad that started to get good earlier than expected or put it together earlier than usual. I can think of ten teams I could make argument should be in my Top 5.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on September 26, 2018, 09:35:10 AM
Loras will more than likely land in the ORV category for the preseason top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 26, 2018, 11:27:02 AM
I would say Loras might be the only other that may garner a look.  In looking at their schedule this morning, I think we will find out if they would be deserving of that or not.  They've got a couple teams who I would assume will be in top 15 when rankings come out in Augustana and UW-Whitewater along with Lake Forest, Augsburg, and Monmouth who could be in that ORV category as well.  Throw in 2 games with NWU and you might be looking at one of the toughest schedules in the country. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on September 26, 2018, 01:25:27 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on September 26, 2018, 11:27:02 AM
I would say Loras might be the only other that may garner a look.  In looking at their schedule this morning, I think we will find out if they would be deserving of that or not.  They've got a couple teams who I would assume will be in top 15 when rankings come out in Augustana and UW-Whitewater along with Lake Forest, Augsburg, and Monmouth who could be in that ORV category as well.  Throw in 2 games with NWU and you might be looking at one of the toughest schedules in the country.

Uh. No. Not a bad schedule, but hardly "one of the toughest". Granted, Greenville, Augustana, Monmouth and Augsburg made the tournament last year, but three of those four are hardly annual participants, let alone from so-called power conferences. Whitewater had a down year but is expected to improve. Lake Forest, Olivet, St. Scholastica and Blackburn round out the nc schedule. NWU obviously improves their schedule strength, but the rest of the conference didn't sniff the Top 25 towards the end of the regular season, I believe.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AO on September 26, 2018, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on September 26, 2018, 01:25:27 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on September 26, 2018, 11:27:02 AM
I would say Loras might be the only other that may garner a look.  In looking at their schedule this morning, I think we will find out if they would be deserving of that or not.  They've got a couple teams who I would assume will be in top 15 when rankings come out in Augustana and UW-Whitewater along with Lake Forest, Augsburg, and Monmouth who could be in that ORV category as well.  Throw in 2 games with NWU and you might be looking at one of the toughest schedules in the country.

Uh. No. Not a bad schedule, but hardly "one of the toughest". Granted, Greenville, Augustana, Monmouth and Augsburg made the tournament last year, but three of those four are hardly annual participants, let alone from so-called power conferences. Whitewater had a down year but is expected to improve. Lake Forest, Olivet, St. Scholastica and Blackburn round out the nc schedule. NWU obviously improves their schedule strength, but the rest of the conference didn't sniff the Top 25 towards the end of the regular season, I believe.
Last year Loras had the 31st toughest SoS per KenPom and 12th toughest SoS per Massey.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 27, 2018, 08:58:24 AM
Time will tell. 

From a conference standpoint, several of last seasons bottom tiered teams should see vast improvement.  Losing just Spencer Williams and Matt Meyer, Coe will be a seasoned team who could be due for a breakout season.  Luther losses just McCoy Mathias and Christian Wright, neither were top 5 in scoring for the Norse.  My prediction is 3-6 win improvement for both in conference play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 01, 2018, 09:15:50 AM
Quote from: rlgyank on September 30, 2018, 08:34:32 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on September 29, 2018, 05:53:31 PM
If I had to submit a ballot for the D3hoops.com Preseason Top 25 poll at this early stage (Sept 29), it would look something like this...

(Top three returning scorers for each team noted.)

#1) Nebraska Wesleyan (30-3, 13-3 IIAC, IIAC Champ, NCAA National Championship)
* Cooper Cook, 6-5 Sr F; 16.8 ppg, 5.8 rpg
* Ryan Garver; 6-3 Sr G; 14.2 ppg, 5.5 rpg, 4.6 apg
* Jack Hiller; 6-6 Jr G; 13.5 ppg, 4.3 rpg

#2) Springfield (22-9, 12-2 NEWMAC, NEWMAC Champ; NCAA National Semifinal Game)
* Jake Ross, 6-4 Jr G; 24.8 ppg, 9.8 ppg, 4.3 rpg
* Heath Post, 6-6 Jr F; 12.6 ppg, 9.2 rpg, 2.1 apg
* Cam Earle, 6-5 Sr G; 9.4 ppg, 2.6 rpg 

#3) UW-Oshkosh (25-8, 9-5 WIAC, WIAC 3rd, NCAA National Runner Up)
* Ben Boots, 6-1 Sr G; 16.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 4.4 apg
* Jack Flynn, 6-8 Jr C; 12.8 ppg, 7.0 rpg
* Adam Fravert, 6-8 Jr F; 12.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.9 apg

#4) Augustana (25-6, 12-4 CCIW, CCIW Co-Champ, NCAA 4th Round)
* Nolan Ebel, 6-1 Sr G; 16.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 3.8 apg
* Chrishawn Orange, 6-2 Sr G; 15.6 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 2.5 apg
* Brett Benning, 6-6 Sr G; 10.7 ppg, 5.0 rpg
(*Pierson Wofford, 6-4 Jr F; 14.7 ppg, 11.7 rpg, 3.0 apg[/i]; 3 games/injured)

#5) Williams (23-6, 7-3 NESCAC, NESCAC Co-champ, NCAA 2nd Round)
* James Heskett, 6-8 Sr F; 19.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg 
* Kyle Scadlock, 6-8 Sr F; 18.0 ppg, 8.6 rpg, 2.3 apg
* Bobby Casey, 6-3 Sr G; 15.8 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 2.1 apg

#6) Swarthmore (25-6, 15-3 CC, CC Co-champ, NCAA 4th Round)
* Cam Wiley, 6-0 Sr G; 16.3 ppg, 4.4 rpg
* Zac O'Dell, 6-7 Jr F; 10.6 ppg, 8.2 rpg
* Nate Shafer, 6-6 Jr F; 9.7 ppg, 6.4 rpg

#7) UW-Platteville (24-5, 12-2 WIAC, WIAC Champ, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Robert Duax, 6-4 Sr F; 15.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg, 2.2 apg
* Carter Voelker, 6-3 Jr G; 10.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.2 apg
* Quentin Shields, 5-8 So G; 10.2 ppg, 3.2 rpg

#8) Hamilton (24-5, 7-3 NESCAC, NESCAC Co-Champ, NCAA 3rd Round
* Kena Gimour, 6-3 Jr G; 18.5 ppg, 7.2 rpg
* Peter Hoffman, 6-5 Sr F; 13.9 ppg, 5.0 rpg
* Michael Grassey, 6-4 Sr F;  12.8 ppg, 7.1 rpg 

#9) MIT (25-6, 10-4 NEWMAC, NEWMAC Co-champ; NCAA 4th Round)
* Bradley Jomard, 6-6 Sr G; 15.5 ppg, 5.4 rpg, 6.0 apg
* AJ Jurko, 6-3 Sr G; 14.2 ppg; 4.7 rpg, 5.9 apg
* Cameron Korb, 6-1 Sr G; 14.0 ppg, 3.0 rpg

#10) Whitman (29-2, 16-0 NWC, NWC Champ, NCAA 4th Round)
* Joey Hewitt, 6-2 Sr G; 16.9 ppg, 4.5 rpg
* Darne Duckett, 5-11 So G; 10.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 2.9 apg
* Trevor Osborne, 6-2 Jr F; 9.7 ppg, 3.6 rpg

#11) Illinois Wesleyan (19-8, 12-4 CCIW, CCIW Co-champ, NCAA 1st Round)
* Brady Rose, 6-3 Sr G; 21.4 ppg, 2.7 rpg, 3.1 apg
* Colin Bonnett, 6-4 Sr G; 12.3 ppg, 2.8 rpg, 2.6 apg
* Alex O'Neil, 6-9 Jr C; 9.2 ppg, 5.5 rpg

#12) Plattsburgh State (24-5, 17-1 SUNYAC, SUNYAC Champ, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Jonathan Patron, 6-2 Sr F; 23.7 ppg, 10.4 rpg
* Brandon Johnson, 5-10 Sr G; 8.8 ppg, 2.3 rpg, 2.6 apg
* Nick DeAngelis, 6-4 Jr G; 8.1 ppg, 2.2 rpg

#13) Whitworth (24-4, 14-2 NWC, NWC 2nd, NCAA 1st Round
* Kyle Roach, 6-5 Sr G; 18.7 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 3.8 apg
* Ben College, 6-1 Jr G; 16.5 ppg, 2.1 apg
* Jordan Lester, 6-2 Sr G; 15.7 ppg, 5.3 rpg, 4.6 apg

#14) UW-Stevens Point (21-9, 11-3 WIAC, WIAC 2nd, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Nate Dodge, 6-3 Sr G; 11.6 ppg, 3.1 rpg
* Canon O'Heron, 6-5 Sr F; 10.9 ppg, 3.4 rpg
* Drew Frederickson, 6-0 Sr G; 7.9 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.2 apg
(Ethan Bublitz, 6-2 Sr G; returning from injury)

#15) Loras (19-7, 12-4 IIAC, IIAC 2nd, NCAA n/a)
* Josh Ruggles, 6-2 Sr G; 22.4 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 3.5 apg
* Ryan Dicanio, 6-3 Sr G; 17.8 ppg, 7.1 rpg, 4.7 apg
* Rowan McGowen, 6-4 So G; 10.5 ppg, 3.2 rpg

#16) Marietta (21-7, 14-4 OAC, OAC Co-champ, NCAA 1st Round
* Kyle Dixon, 6-3 Sr G; 14.3 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 3.8 apg
* Anthony Wallace, 6-2 Sr G; 12.9 ppg, 3.3 rpg, 2.0 apg
* Avery Williams, 6-7 Sr F; 11.6 ppg, 7.5 rpg 

#17) Wittenberg (27-3, 16-2 NCAC, NCAC Champ, NCAA 2nd Round)
* Mitchell Balser, 6-0 Sr G; 12.2 ppg, 3.2 ppg, 3.5 apg
* Connor Seipel, 6-6 Jr F; 11.0 ppg, 6.8 rpg
* Jacob Bertemes, 5-11 Jr G; 11.0 ppg, 2.4 ppg, 3.2 apg

#18) Emory (23-5, 12-2 UAA, UAA 2nd, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Romin Williams, 5-9 So G; 15.1 ppg, 2.5 rpg, 2.6 apg
* Gebereal Baitey, 6-2 Sr G; 11.0 ppg, 3.6 rpg, 2.8 apg
* Matt Davet, 6-7 So F; 8.4 ppg, 3.1 rpg

#19) Middlebury (21-7, 7-3 NESCAC, NESCAC Co-champ, NCAA 3rd Round)
* Matt Folger, 6-8 Jr F; 13.7 ppg, 6.9 rpg
* Eric McCord, 6-7 Sr F; 8.5 ppg, 6.8 rpg
* Jack Farrell, 6-1 So G; 8.3 ppg, 3.0 rpg 

#20) Johns Hopkins (24-5, 15-3 CC, CC Champ, NCAA 2nd Round)
* Michael Gardner, 6-2 Sr G; 14.2 ppg, 4.1 rpg
* Conner Delaney, 6-0 So G; 10.7 ppg, 3.6 rpg
* Joey Kern, 6-1 So G; 8.9 ppg, 2.9 rpg

#21) St. John's (23-4, 19-1 MIAC, MIAC Champ, NCAA 1st Round)
* David Stokman, 6-2 Sr G; 13.8 ppg, 4.1 rpg, 3.2 rpg
* Jubie Alade, 6-4 Jr F; 11.0 ppg, 3.4 rpg
* Lucas Walford, 6-8 Jr C; 9.0 ppg, 9.3 rpg

#22) St. Olaf (20-8, 15-5 MIAC, MIAC 2nd, NCAA 2nd Round)
* Austin Korba, 6-5 Sr F; 14.1 ppg, 5.6 rpg
* Nate Albers, 6-3 Jr G; 12.5 ppg, 3.4 rpg
* Dominic Bledsoe, 6-0 So G; 10.0 ppg, 2.5 rpg

#23) Wooster (22-7, 14-4 NCAC, NCAC 2nd, NCAA 2nd Round)
* Danyon Hempy, 6-5 Jr G; 15.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg
* Reece Dupler, 6-2 Sr G; 14.4 ppg, 4.3 rpg
* Blake Blair, 6-2 Sr G; 7.5 ppg, 3.8 rpg 

#24) Hope (19-10, 10-4 MIAA, MIAA Co-champ; NCAA 2nd Round)
* Jason Beckman, 5-11 Sr G; 22.3 ppg, 2.6 rpg, 3.1 apg
* Preston Granger, 6-6 So C; 9.8 ppg, 4.6 rpg
* Teddy Ray, 6-5 Sr F; 9.7 ppg, 7.4 rpg 

#25) Wesleyan (22-7, 7-3 NESCAC, NESCAC Co-champ; NCAA 2nd Round)
* Jordan Bonner, 6-4 Sr G; 15.5 ppg, 4.7 rpg
* Austin Hutcherson, 6-6 So G; 12.0 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2.7 apg
* Antone Walker, 6-0 So G; 7.6 ppg
------------------------
First Two Out:

#26) Bethel (21-7, 14-6 MIAC, MIAC 3rd; NCAA n/a)
* Granger Kingland, 6-4 Jr G; 14.4 ppg, 6.3 rpg
* Matt Ambriz, 6-2 Sr G; 13.1 ppg, 2.6 rpg
* Jack Jenson, 6-1 Jr G; 11.4 ppg, 4.9 rpg

#27) Maryville TN (22-7, 14-2 USAC, USAC Champ; NCAA 1st Round)
* Dante Hoppa, 6-5 Sr. F; 12.7 ppg, 5.1 ppg, 2.2 apg
* Calvin Songster, 6-2 Sr G; 12.7 ppg, 2.6 ppg, 2.5 apg
* Emier Bowman, 6-3 Sr F; 12.1 ppg, 6.7 rpg 

There are many teams I'd keep an eye on outside of the 27 above.  That list would include, but certainly not be limited to: New Jersey City; Washington U (re-loading with a very talented nucleus); North Central and Wheaton from the CCIW; UW-Whitewater; and Amherst. 

I'm sure I am missing a few legit Top 25 contenders above.  Any thoughts on who those are?

For those who may not have seen Titan Q's pre-season rankings.  Very reputable and knowledgeble in the D3 community, other than the fact that he has squandered my "toughest schedule in the county" bid for Loras :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on October 03, 2018, 08:19:41 AM
Wartburg will play UNI in an Exhibition game on Oct 28.

https://wcfcourier.com/sports/college/uni/mens_basketball/college-basketball-uni-releases-men-s-hoops-schedule/article_fa1ac464-601c-575c-87be-64895bec75cf.html

3 Starters back for the Knights and 7 of 9 games @ Levick to start the season.
https://go-knights.net/schedule.aspx?schedule=188
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 03, 2018, 03:22:47 PM
Two weeks after the first practice!? Woof. That'll be a wakeup call for the Knights. 

I'll admit, I'm not sold on these D3 vs D1 games.  Especially if your team has no chance of competing.  I believe Coe has a couple of D1 games on the schedule, Drake and Creighton maybe?  Why Creighton agreed to that game, no one will ever know.  In recent years Dubuque has played UNI as well.  To each their own I guess.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2018, 03:26:54 PM
I don't mind a game being used like this in basketball, where we have two dozen-plus contests. The guarantee is great for a D-III team to use to enhance its budget.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 03, 2018, 06:09:50 PM
Yep. You can't underestimate the importance that a D1 guaranteed payout can have for a D3 program budget.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 03, 2018, 07:12:03 PM
What kind of payout are we talking about?  10k? 25k? 50k? 100k?

Or are we talkin...

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmemecrunch.com%2Fmeme%2F9ZCLX%2F100-billion-dollars%2Fimage.jpg&hash=9397d166cd2a2da3b9178b65e2e2cf1f521ba746)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 04, 2018, 12:40:18 AM
Enough to make an impact upon your typical D3 men's basketball team. You'd be surprised at how small the typical D3 program budget can be, aside from sports such as football and hockey that have both large rosters and lots of expensive equipment.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 04, 2018, 06:30:06 AM
A small d3 program can double its team budget with a decent d1 payout.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 04, 2018, 08:01:56 AM
I was just curious.  I know waaaaaay back in the day, Dubuque football got 10k from Dayton for a game.  I was just curious what kind of money basketball threw out there. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 04, 2018, 08:39:02 AM
I can certainly see that side of it.  I've heard the mid-majors are guarenteeing anywhere from 2-5k.  Not a HUGE chunk of change considering D1 budgets, but definitley a nice boost if you manage it the right way at the D3 level. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2018, 09:46:19 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on October 04, 2018, 08:39:02 AM
I can certainly see that side of it.  I've heard the mid-majors are guarenteeing anywhere from 2-5k.  Not a HUGE chunk of change considering D1 budgets, but definitley a nice boost if you manage it the right way at the D3 level.

I would hope it's more than that now. That's what schools were getting 20 years ago when I was an SID.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AO on October 04, 2018, 10:13:18 AM
Kentucky paid $20-25k to Transylvania and Thomas More in the past couple years.


https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2017/07/06/uk-play-state-schools-college-basketball-exhibitions/456229001/ (https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/kentucky/2017/07/06/uk-play-state-schools-college-basketball-exhibitions/456229001/)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 05, 2018, 07:59:32 AM
Kentucky's budget is a little different than a UNI/Drake so I would guess 5k would be pretty close to what most mid-majors are handing out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 05, 2018, 08:23:40 AM

Typically the guarantee is some percentage of the anticipated revenue from the game.  I'd guess that varies quite a bit between programs, especially if they have TV deals to cover preseason contests.  I'd also expect that D3 schools are willing to take a lot less, which surely helps them book these things.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2018, 01:03:22 PM
FWIW, my experience is that these arrangements have always been a flat fee.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 05, 2018, 03:38:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2018, 01:03:22 PM
FWIW, my experience is that these arrangements have always been a flat fee.

Right, I just mean the schools often figure out the fee based on what they expect to make.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2018, 03:04:33 PM
Preseason men's Top 25 is out!
http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2018/10/preseason-mens-top-25
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 15, 2018, 09:31:29 AM
NWU comes in at #1, no real surprise there and Loras RV.   With practices officially starting today, here are my season projections.

NWU 15-1
Loras 14-2
Wartburg 10-6
Simpson 10-6
BV 8-8
Coe 7-9
Dubuque 6-10
Central 6-10
Luther 2-14

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on October 15, 2018, 01:09:41 PM
Not to be critical, but you have a lot more wins in your projections than you do losses, not sure that is possible!!!!!  ;D


Quote from: dunkin3117 on October 15, 2018, 09:31:29 AM
NWU comes in at #1, no real surprise there and Loras RV.   With practices officially starting today, here are my season projections.

NWU 15-1
Loras 14-2
Wartburg 10-6
Simpson 10-6
BV 8-8
Coe 7-9
Dubuque 6-10
Central 6-10
Luther 2-14
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 15, 2018, 03:42:34 PM
Anything is possible if you really want it to be...but in this case...you are right, its impossible.  This should be a little better :)

NWU 15-1
Loras 14-2
Wartburg 9-7
Simpson 8-8
BV 7-9
Coe 7-9
Dubuque 5-11
Central 5-11
Luther 2-14
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 20, 2018, 07:11:25 PM
Preseason coaches poll is out.

http://rollrivers.com/news/2018/10/17/american-rivers-conference-defending-national-champions-nwu-picked-to-win-a-r-c-mens-basketball-title.aspx (http://rollrivers.com/news/2018/10/17/american-rivers-conference-defending-national-champions-nwu-picked-to-win-a-r-c-mens-basketball-title.aspx)

1 - NWU
2 - Loras
3 - Simpson
4 - Wartburg
5 - Coe
6 - Dubuque
7 - BVU
7 - Central
9 - Luther
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on October 24, 2018, 12:34:40 PM
There are 4 ARC players who made d3hoops.com preseason all-america teams.

Ryan Garver (NWU) - 2nd team
Nate Schimonitz (NWU) - 3rd team
Cooper Cook (NWU) - 3rd team
Josh Ruggles (Loras) - Honorable Mention
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on October 24, 2018, 12:35:28 PM
http://www.d3hoops.com/awards/all-americans/men/preseason-2019


This will be of interest to my D3 neighbors to the south!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 25, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on October 24, 2018, 12:34:40 PM
There are 4 ARC players who made d3hoops.com preseason all-america teams.

Ryan Garver (NWU) - 2nd team
Nate Schimonitz (NWU) - 3rd team
Cooper Cook (NWU) - 3rd team
Josh Ruggles (Loras) - Honorable Mention

Good publicity for the ARC - surprised that Ruggles (Co-POY with Garvey) is suddenly behind Schimonitz & Cook, but that's what winning the national title will do for you.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 25, 2018, 07:41:39 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 25, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on October 24, 2018, 12:34:40 PM
There are 4 ARC players who made d3hoops.com preseason all-america teams.

Ryan Garver (NWU) - 2nd team
Nate Schimonitz (NWU) - 3rd team
Cooper Cook (NWU) - 3rd team
Josh Ruggles (Loras) - Honorable Mention

Good publicity for the ARC - surprised that Ruggles (Co-POY with Garvey) is suddenly behind Schimonitz & Cook, but that's what winning the national title will do for you.

Cook is a forward, remember.  Position matters.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 26, 2018, 01:18:22 AM
... and those guys played a lot of games after the ARC awards were decided.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 26, 2018, 09:19:37 AM
Great for the league.  Finally getting some recognition that is long overdue.  Now hopefully it all holds true and the conference continues to make a name for itself. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 26, 2018, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on October 26, 2018, 09:19:37 AM
Great for the league.  Finally getting some recognition that is long overdue.  Now hopefully it all holds true and the conference continues to make a name for itself.

Well, seems like they did that on their own. They made a new name in the offseason ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 26, 2018, 03:26:38 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 25, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on October 24, 2018, 12:34:40 PM
There are 4 ARC players who made d3hoops.com preseason all-america teams.

Ryan Garver (NWU) - 2nd team
Nate Schimonitz (NWU) - 3rd team
Cooper Cook (NWU) - 3rd team
Josh Ruggles (Loras) - Honorable Mention

Good publicity for the ARC - surprised that Ruggles (Co-POY with Garvey) is suddenly behind Schimonitz & Cook, but that's what winning the national title will do for you.

And winning the national championship is exactly why you should not be surprised.  8-)

Besides that, I think Ruggles is widely renowned for his scoring and 3 point shooting where Schimonitz, and especially Cook, are viewed as more complete players and players whose contributions come more often at critical junctures of a game than do Ruggles'. Also, while Ruggles is a great 3 point shooter and scorer, he had like 5 teammates who started or played significant minutes who had better overall shooting percentages. And, while he may be an above average or even good defender, I've not heard or read of his name being associated with defense. Completely accurate or not, you hear the name 'Ruggles' and you think exceptional 3 point shooter, and high scorer. So while he may very well be more of a complete player, I think the general perception of him basically ends with the tag of great long range shooter. He may then be a victim of the concept of perception being reality.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 27, 2018, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 26, 2018, 03:26:38 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 25, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on October 24, 2018, 12:34:40 PM
There are 4 ARC players who made d3hoops.com preseason all-america teams.

Ryan Garver (NWU) - 2nd team
Nate Schimonitz (NWU) - 3rd team
Cooper Cook (NWU) - 3rd team
Josh Ruggles (Loras) - Honorable Mention

Good publicity for the ARC - surprised that Ruggles (Co-POY with Garvey) is suddenly behind Schimonitz & Cook, but that's what winning the national title will do for you.

And winning the national championship is exactly why you should not be surprised.  8-)

Besides that, I think Ruggles is widely renowned for his scoring and 3 point shooting where Schimonitz, and especially Cook, are viewed as more complete players and players whose contributions come more often at critical junctures of a game than do Ruggles'. Also, while Ruggles is a great 3 point shooter and scorer, he had like 5 teammates who started or played significant minutes who had better overall shooting percentages. And, while he may be an above average or even good defender, I've not heard or read of his name being associated with defense. Completely accurate or not, you hear the name 'Ruggles' and you think exceptional 3 point shooter, and high scorer. So while he may very well be more of a complete player, I think the general perception of him basically ends with the tag of great long range shooter. He may then be a victim of the concept of perception being reality.

Defense is a fair complaint, as he's certainly not known for it, but the line about the shooting percentage is inaccurate. Had he made one more shot on the season, I believe he would have been the only player in the country to hit 90/50/40 numbers (of all players with qualifying # of attempts). Looking at Loras #s from last year, three Duhawk players who played over a quarter of the game on average posted higher shooting % numbers, two of whom were big men (so, to be expected because most of their shots are layups), and one was Rowan McGowen (#2 in the country in 3PT%, took just over half as many shots as Ruggles).

Additionally, perhaps you're right about perception not matching reality, as Ruggles also added 5 RPG & 4 APG on top of arguably the most efficient all-around scoring numbers in the country - more rebounds than Schmonitz & more assists than Cook with nearly 20 less turnovers than both. Again, can understand the NWU players getting much-deserved love, but your comparisons are off-base.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 27, 2018, 08:33:45 PM
Wartburg taking on UNI tomorrow. Anyone going to be in attendance or know if it will be streamed online anywhere? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 28, 2018, 06:29:17 PM
Wartburg defeated by UNI 110-69.  Freshman Spencer Touro led the way with 17 on 5-7 shooting from 3.  Sabus knotched 15 while fellow senior Kickbush had 3 on 1-9 shooting. 

Only other notable exhibition will be Coe at Drake.  Haven't heard or seen any other exhibitions/scrimmages from around the league. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on October 28, 2018, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 27, 2018, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 26, 2018, 03:26:38 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 25, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on October 24, 2018, 12:34:40 PM
There are 4 ARC players who made d3hoops.com preseason all-america teams.

Ryan Garver (NWU) - 2nd team
Nate Schimonitz (NWU) - 3rd team
Cooper Cook (NWU) - 3rd team
Josh Ruggles (Loras) - Honorable Mention

Good publicity for the ARC - surprised that Ruggles (Co-POY with Garvey) is suddenly behind Schimonitz & Cook, but that's what winning the national title will do for you.

And winning the national championship is exactly why you should not be surprised.  8-)

Besides that, I think Ruggles is widely renowned for his scoring and 3 point shooting where Schimonitz, and especially Cook, are viewed as more complete players and players whose contributions come more often at critical junctures of a game than do Ruggles'. Also, while Ruggles is a great 3 point shooter and scorer, he had like 5 teammates who started or played significant minutes who had better overall shooting percentages. And, while he may be an above average or even good defender, I've not heard or read of his name being associated with defense. Completely accurate or not, you hear the name 'Ruggles' and you think exceptional 3 point shooter, and high scorer. So while he may very well be more of a complete player, I think the general perception of him basically ends with the tag of great long range shooter. He may then be a victim of the concept of perception being reality.

Defense is a fair complaint, as he's certainly not known for it, but the line about the shooting percentage is inaccurate. Had he made one more shot on the season, I believe he would have been the only player in the country to hit 90/50/40 numbers (of all players with qualifying # of attempts). Looking at Loras #s from last year, three Duhawk players who played over a quarter of the game on average posted higher shooting % numbers, two of whom were big men (so, to be expected because most of their shots are layups), and one was Rowan McGowen (#2 in the country in 3PT%, took just over half as many shots as Ruggles).

Additionally, perhaps you're right about perception not matching reality, as Ruggles also added 5 RPG & 4 APG on top of arguably the most efficient all-around scoring numbers in the country - more rebounds than Schmonitz & more assists than Cook with nearly 20 less turnovers than both. Again, can understand the NWU players getting much-deserved love, but your comparisons are off-base.

Not sure about those comparisons being very far "off base."

* Schimonitz was injured to begin the season and was limited to 23 games—10 less than NWU played—during which he surely would have secured many more rebounds.

* Comparing Cook to Ruggles is apples to oranges. Ruggles is a guard whereas Cook is a forward who would not be expected to have the ball-handling and passing skills of a guard. That a forward playing the minutes Cook does has more TOs should not be surprising. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 28, 2018, 07:49:53 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 28, 2018, 07:17:09 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 27, 2018, 04:52:21 PM
Quote from: AndOne on October 26, 2018, 03:26:38 PM
Quote from: Hoosiersfan2323 on October 25, 2018, 02:03:54 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on October 24, 2018, 12:34:40 PM
There are 4 ARC players who made d3hoops.com preseason all-america teams.

Ryan Garver (NWU) - 2nd team
Nate Schimonitz (NWU) - 3rd team
Cooper Cook (NWU) - 3rd team
Josh Ruggles (Loras) - Honorable Mention

Good publicity for the ARC - surprised that Ruggles (Co-POY with Garvey) is suddenly behind Schimonitz & Cook, but that's what winning the national title will do for you.

And winning the national championship is exactly why you should not be surprised.  8-)

Besides that, I think Ruggles is widely renowned for his scoring and 3 point shooting where Schimonitz, and especially Cook, are viewed as more complete players and players whose contributions come more often at critical junctures of a game than do Ruggles'. Also, while Ruggles is a great 3 point shooter and scorer, he had like 5 teammates who started or played significant minutes who had better overall shooting percentages. And, while he may be an above average or even good defender, I've not heard or read of his name being associated with defense. Completely accurate or not, you hear the name 'Ruggles' and you think exceptional 3 point shooter, and high scorer. So while he may very well be more of a complete player, I think the general perception of him basically ends with the tag of great long range shooter. He may then be a victim of the concept of perception being reality.

Defense is a fair complaint, as he's certainly not known for it, but the line about the shooting percentage is inaccurate. Had he made one more shot on the season, I believe he would have been the only player in the country to hit 90/50/40 numbers (of all players with qualifying # of attempts). Looking at Loras #s from last year, three Duhawk players who played over a quarter of the game on average posted higher shooting % numbers, two of whom were big men (so, to be expected because most of their shots are layups), and one was Rowan McGowen (#2 in the country in 3PT%, took just over half as many shots as Ruggles).

Additionally, perhaps you're right about perception not matching reality, as Ruggles also added 5 RPG & 4 APG on top of arguably the most efficient all-around scoring numbers in the country - more rebounds than Schmonitz & more assists than Cook with nearly 20 less turnovers than both. Again, can understand the NWU players getting much-deserved love, but your comparisons are off-base.

Not sure about those comparisons being very far "off base."

* Schimonitz was injured to begin the season and was limited to 23 games—10 less than NWU played—during which he surely would have secured many more rebounds.

* Comparing Cook to Ruggles is apples to oranges. Ruggles is a guard whereas Cook is a forward who would not be expected to have the ball-handling and passing skills of a guard. That a forward playing the minutes Cook does has more TOs should not be surprising.

Apologies, the numbers I listed were per game - as in a Ruggles averaged more RPG than Schimonitz, regardless of how many games he played. Additionally, the fact that Schimonitz played significantly fewer games makes Ruggles having far fewer total turnovers that much more impressive.

I notice you ignored the shooting numbers, too - which was a pretty key point in your original post. I can agree with your point that the perception surrounding Ruggles appears not to be reality in this case, as the numbers show.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 01, 2018, 04:14:41 PM
Loras kicking off the games portion of the schedule (kind of) with a scrimmage at D2 Augustana University (Also the Vikings like the CCIW's Augustana). Loras was chosen specifically by the AU coaching staff because "they will give us fits" according to the head coach. No stream available which is disappointing but I look forward to seeing how Loras stacks up against a solid Augustana squad that graduated essentially their entire rotation from the year before.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on November 01, 2018, 09:45:55 PM
Quote from: duckfan41 on November 01, 2018, 04:14:41 PM
Loras kicking off the games portion of the schedule (kind of) with a scrimmage at D2 Augustana University (Also the Vikings like the CCIW's Augustana). Loras was chosen specifically by the AU coaching staff because "they will give us fits" according to the head coach. No stream available which is disappointing but I look forward to seeing how Loras stacks up against a solid Augustana squad that graduated essentially their entire rotation from the year before.


Loras goes into D2 Augustana and wins an exhibition game 81-76. Senior Ryan DiCanio led the team with 20 points, 5 assists, and 4 rebounds while senior Demond George & sophomore Rowan McGowen added 14. Solid exhibition win for the Duhawks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 02, 2018, 09:20:29 AM
Impressive... Augustana has been very solid in the past couple years in the D2 level, even winning the national championship a couple years ago. However, they were only .500 last year with a couple good seniors graduating. Either way I am excited to watch the Duhawks this year and make a splash on the national level!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on November 02, 2018, 03:17:49 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan plays at Doane University tonight in an exhibition game for them, but a game that counts for Doane. This is a continuation of a long time rivalry. Last year they played in Lincoln in a game that counted for both teams. Time to get the season rolling.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 04, 2018, 04:01:17 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 07, 2018, 02:44:57 PM
Opening week is here.  Looking at the schedule, there will be a couple of barn burners night one.  Nebraska Wesleyan (ranked #8 in ppg at 95.5) is at home against Grinnell (ranked #2 in ppg at 111) while Loras (ranked 10th in ppg at 93.3) hosts Greenville (#1 in ppg at 126).   :o Anticipate scoreboards being lit up in those two contests.  Night one also see Dubuque traveling to Milikin.

Over the weekend
Coe travels to Iowa Wesleyan, who could be seeing their final season as a program.
Central hosts UW-River Falls.
Greenville stays in Dubuque to take on UD.
Bethany Lutheran travels to Indianola to face off with Simpson.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 07, 2018, 06:55:45 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on November 02, 2018, 03:17:49 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan plays at Doane University tonight in an exhibition game for them, but a game that counts for Doane. This is a continuation of a long time rivalry. Last year they played in Lincoln in a game that counted for both teams. Time to get the season rolling.

Many moons ago when I was a NWU Plainsman, we regularly played Doane, a fellow member of the Nebraska Intercollegiate Athletic Conference (NIAC), the predecessor of the GPAC. To say Doane was our most hated rival was as huge of an understatement as is possible. Pure, unadulterated hatred was the watchword. In 7 of 8 games a fight ensued. It was more a question of when than if. No mere pushing/shoving allowed. Swing for the fences only. A couple of times it was just one player from each team. A couple more it was two on two. But I'm pretty sure I remember 3 separate occasions where just about all 10 of the players on the floor were involved, including one where several guys from each bench felt compelled to join in. Football without pads. Each game featured several members of the police department stationed around the court. However, when the fisticuffs broke out, the gendarmes still couldn't get there before a couple of very solid blows were landed. Guys frequently had bruises that lasted for weeks. Fun times. 😏
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 08, 2018, 07:39:12 PM
I'll be tuning in tonight for the Loras and Greenville contest in Dubuque. Two high-octane and uptempo offenses promise a high final score in the opener for both squads. Should be a good one!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 09, 2018, 09:16:56 AM
Loras and Greenville did not disappoint last night in Dubuque. Loras clamped down on defense and found much better looks in the second half to pull away to a 147-129 win.

Key guys for Loras:
Ruggles: 39 points (17 from the charity stripe), 8 rebounds, 8 assists
DiCanio: 29 points, 7 rebounds and 7 assists
McGowan: 21 points 11 rebounds
Boyd: 18 points 8 rebounds

And Demond George did not necessarily stuff the stat sheet, but he took several key charges and made many stops on his own on the defensive end that helped Loras gain momentum and eventually pull away. Greenville was owning this game early on, and forced a ton of turnovers with their full court pressure. JT Ford got the brunt of that pressure all night turning the ball over 12 times in only 24 minutes of action.

X-Factor tonight was easily Jordan Boyd. He came in off the bench for his first collegiate minutes and made his presence known with two monster dunks in transition. This kid is the real deal and I think earned himself many more minutes with how he played last night. He's big, fast, strong, and rebounds like a madman which is something this Loras team needs on the floor consistently.

Ruggles started off cold, but got to the line early and often, like the rest of the Duhawks as they went 40-47 as a team compared to Greenville's 31-47. This Loras team is very good, but they just needed a half to get the first game jitters out. I look forward to following them closely all season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2018, 11:29:15 AM
Just a comment about ... oddities.

Loras clamped down on defense while giving up 129 in the win?  ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 09, 2018, 11:51:41 AM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 09, 2018, 11:29:15 AM
Just a comment about ... oddities.

Loras clamped down on defense while giving up 129 in the win?  ::)

It's all relative when you're dealing with "The System." They started actually getting stops on the defensive end which they were not doing much, if at all, in the first half. Most of this started with Demond George's energy from tip to final buzzer, and Jordan Boyd's immediate impact from when he first entered the game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: RogK on November 09, 2018, 12:08:25 PM
Judging solely from the stats, the Loras defense probably deserves a fair amount of credit for holding Greenville to 38% two-point shooting (22/58).
That game had a huge number of possessions, so a high score is expected.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 09, 2018, 12:17:35 PM
Quote from: RogK on November 09, 2018, 12:08:25 PM
Judging solely from the stats, the Loras defense probably deserves a fair amount of credit for holding Greenville to 38% two-point shooting (22/58).
That game had a huge number of possessions, so a high score is expected.

I know it won't show up in your stat sheet quite yet, but +1 anyway for the principle of the thing
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2018, 12:20:33 PM
Yep. Defense is better measured by points per possession than by raw score, because that's a constant regardless of tempo.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 09, 2018, 09:31:10 PM
I see NWU put up 143 last night against Grinnell who scored 90.
In addition to the combined 233 points, the teams combined for 3 Ts—-2 on NWU players, 1 on a Grinnell player. Anybody aware of what spurned the transgressions?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: BLynn on November 09, 2018, 11:09:45 PM
Sixth man Bahe for NWU got one for taunting after dunking on a GC player
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 10, 2018, 12:12:57 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 09, 2018, 09:31:10 PM
I see NWU put up 143 last night against Grinnell who scored 90.
In addition to the combined 233 points, the teams combined for 3 Ts—-2 on NWU players, 1 on a Grinnell player. Anybody aware of what spurned the transgressions?

NWU Player 1: "How is this 'System' working out for you guys?"

Grinnell Player: "Shut the F--- up!" (TECH)

NWU Player 1: "Ha. I'll shut the f--- up once you guys figure out how to stop us" (TECH)

NWU Player 2:
"(https://media.giphy.com/media/cF7QqO5DYdft6/giphy.gif)"
(TECH)

All in good fun, folks. All in good fun.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2018, 08:00:09 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 09, 2018, 12:20:33 PM
Yep. Defense is better measured by points per possession than by raw score, because that's a constant regardless of tempo.

Dumb question. How do you figure out how many possessions a team has?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: RogK on November 10, 2018, 10:29:26 AM
The definition of a possession in basketball is debatable, so it's definitely not a dumb question. The main issue is how to handle offensive rebounds.
I think an offensive rebound should be seen as extending a single possession, not starting a new one. I think Greg researched this within the NCAA statkeeping guidelines and found the opposite, namely that an offensive rebound starts a new possession.
Depending on which of these two options you use, the points-per-possession stat is affected. I fully agree with Greg's comment yesterday that points-per-possession is the best measure of a team's offense and defense.
A sample scenario : team A misses a shot, gets an o-reb, misses another, gets another o-reb, then makes a layup.
I'd see that as a good single possession, since they scored without allowing the opponent to possess the ball. Offensive rebounding is part of offense, defensive rebounding is part of defense.
So, if an offensive rebound "keeps a possession alive," team A scores 2 points per possession, a very good rate. But, if you count this scenario as three possessions, team A has a 0.67 points-per-possession, not real good.
You could also look at it from the perspective of team B, the defense. They allowed 2 points before they were able to regain possession of the ball, a defensive failure I think.
Any particular formula for determining the number of possessions has to decide how to treat offensive rebounds, one way or the other.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 10, 2018, 10:35:21 AM
It's a new possession if the ball hits the rim and the shot clock resets but the same possession on an offensive rebound if it doesn't hit the rim?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: RogK on November 10, 2018, 11:02:02 AM
Dang it, now you've given me a headache! ha ha
Perhaps there should be different term for what I had in mind. Maybe "extended possession."
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 10, 2018, 09:11:24 PM
Young Dutch team loses to WRF today 103-77.  You could tell Central graduated their two top scorers. They have a lot to work on. Three point shots were way down from last year, rebounding left a lot to be desired.  On the plus side they did not have a lot of turnovers which is good for a team with a new line-up and they did well at the charity stripe.  It was game one, lots of room to improve and they will.  I think they will do better than 5 and 11 in conference. First conference game at NWU which is probably good as that would be a long shot at any point in the season. We will get that out of the way and things will look up from there.  ;) 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 12, 2018, 09:25:40 AM
Nothing too shocking from this weekends slate of games.  I was a little taken back by how badly Central took it on the chin.  The Dutch lost a lot of scoring, it will be interesting to see how Douma and his staff adjust as the season goes along.  If they are going to rely on Seth Wood taking 15 3's a night, they could be in for a long season. 

The other surprise was Bethany Lutheran knocking off Simpson at home.  FT line looks to have kept them from a W in this one.  Riordan looks as though he picked up right where he left off last season.  He will be a tough match-up for any guard this season. 

An extremely busy week in the ARC. 

Monday
NWU traveling to Bethany Lutheran

Tuesday
Coe hosting Milikin (who defeated UD this past week)
Wartburg hosting Cornell (looks like Wartburg will be returning the favor and be traveling to Cornell the following week)
Simpson travels down to Westminster

Wednesday
UD hosts Edgewood
Luther travels to UW-LaCrosse

Personally, not too intruiged by any of these games.  I think the ARC sweeps.

Bring on the weekend!

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 12, 2018, 10:59:08 AM
Loras also hosting St, Scholastica on Friday and Oliver College on Saturday this weekend!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 12, 2018, 11:09:44 AM
Quote from: duckfan41 on November 12, 2018, 10:59:08 AM
Loras also hosting St, Scholastica on Friday and Oliver College on Saturday this weekend!

There's a ton of weekend games. I presume he left off the weekend games on purpose.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 12, 2018, 11:35:04 AM
Figured we could get through mid-week before touching on the weekend slate.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 12, 2018, 01:08:39 PM
Quote from: RogK on November 10, 2018, 10:29:26 AM
The definition of a possession in basketball is debatable, so it's definitely not a dumb question. The main issue is how to handle offensive rebounds.
I think an offensive rebound should be seen as extending a single possession, not starting a new one. I think Greg researched this within the NCAA statkeeping guidelines and found the opposite, namely that an offensive rebound starts a new possession.
Depending on which of these two options you use, the points-per-possession stat is affected. I fully agree with Greg's comment yesterday that points-per-possession is the best measure of a team's offense and defense.
(A) A sample scenario : team A misses a shot, gets an o-reb, misses another, gets another o-reb, then makes a layup
I'd see that as a good single possession, since they scored without allowing the opponent to possess the ball. (B) Offensive rebounding is part of offense, defensive rebounding is part of defense.
So, if an offensive rebound "keeps a possession alive," team A scores 2 points per possession, a very good rate. But, if you count this scenario as three possessions, team A has a 0.67 points-per-possession, not real good.
You could also look at it from the perspective of team B, the defense. They allowed 2 points before they were able to regain possession of the ball, a defensive failure I think.
Any particular formula for determining the number of possessions has to decide how to treat offensive rebounds, one way or the other.

A. When a team rebounds a missed shot that hits the rim, the shot clock of course resets. I believe thats viewed as another possession. The ball hitting the rim ends that particular  possession.
If a team shoots an air ball and another guy on the same team "rebounds" the ball, the shot clock, of course, does not reset. Statistically, that situation is basically looked at like a pass within the same possession —the shooter is passing the ball to the guy who "rebounds" the air ball. As the ball doesn't hit rim, and the shot clock doesn't reset, it's just a continuation of the same possession.

B. Offensive rebounding is part of offense, defensive rebounding is part of defense.  ???
A question which has been debated by basketball purists since the sport was invented and which, coincidentally, is scheduled to finally be decided by means of an official Hearing when Congress reconvenes in January. 😧 🤭 😉
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 12, 2018, 02:08:18 PM
So if you are looking at a boxscore, how do you determine how many possessions a team had?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 12, 2018, 02:50:06 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on November 12, 2018, 11:35:04 AM
Figured we could get through mid-week before touching on the weekend slate.

Just tried an attachment for the first time so we'll see what happens. Otherwise, as you were 😬
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 12, 2018, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 12, 2018, 02:08:18 PM
So if you are looking at a boxscore, how do you determine how many possessions a team had?

Read through the play by play (which would be a real pain in the butt)?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 12, 2018, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 12, 2018, 02:08:18 PM
So if you are looking at a boxscore, how do you determine how many possessions a team had?

Read through the play by play (which would be a real pain in the butt)?

https://www.hoopcoach.org/points-per-possessions/
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 13, 2018, 07:55:12 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 13, 2018, 01:34:00 PM
Quote from: AndOne on November 12, 2018, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 12, 2018, 02:08:18 PM
So if you are looking at a boxscore, how do you determine how many possessions a team had?

Read through the play by play (which would be a real pain in the butt)?

https://www.hoopcoach.org/points-per-possessions/

Ah, advanced math!  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 14, 2018, 11:16:40 AM
Wartburg beat Cornell 90-77

https://go-knights.net/news/2018/11/13/mens-basketball-knights-open-up-season-with-win-over-cornell-in-buzz-levick-tournament.aspx

Knight's looked good last night. 8-15 point game most of first half, got it to 24 half way thru 2nd. Late 3's by the Rams got it down to 13 at end of game. Knights were really focused on the defensive end,  Smith-Drahos had 5 steals.

New home uni's. Sweet script Knights across the chest!

Rematch next Tuesday in Mt. Vernon.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 14, 2018, 02:16:50 PM
First off, is anyone else having trouble with the D3 links?  I've got to click on D3 Hockey to get to the boards.

Millikin defeated Coe 85-71.  A rough night from the perimeter for the Kohawks.

Simpson knocked off Wesminster 92-86.  Only 7 players recorded double digit minutes for the Storm, 4 of which were at 25+.  Depth may be a concern come conference play. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 14, 2018, 11:08:06 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on November 14, 2018, 02:16:50 PM
First off, is anyone else having trouble with the D3 links?  I've got to click on D3 Hockey to get to the boards.


Not following what the problem may have been.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 15, 2018, 11:02:07 AM
From the D3Hoops page, the drop down links are out of wack.  D3Jobs takes you to D3Hockey, D3Boards takes you to D3Jobs, D3Hockey takes you to D3Boards.  At least it is for me.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2018, 11:30:38 AM
I checked and they are programmed correctly. Are you on a mobile device?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 15, 2018, 11:47:11 AM
Strange...nope, desktop
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 15, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Dubuque has a junior transfer, Avery Butler. 

27-31 from the field
5-15 from the line

I'm curious to see how this develops over the course of the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2018, 06:28:51 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on November 15, 2018, 11:47:11 AM
Strange...nope, desktop

Oh, no, I found it. There are two ways at the top of the front page to get to our other sites and I was looking at only one of them.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2018, 09:34:51 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 15, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Dubuque has a junior transfer, Avery Butler. 

27-31 from the field
5-15 from the line

I'm curious to see how this develops over the course of the season.

9 minutes last night. Did he get hurt?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 15, 2018, 10:13:54 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2018, 09:34:51 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 15, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Dubuque has a junior transfer, Avery Butler. 

27-31 from the field
5-15 from the line

I'm curious to see how this develops over the course of the season.

9 minutes last night. Did he get hurt?

In the 1st half with maybe 8 minutes left he went in for a lay up and looked like he twisted an ankle when he came down.  They took him out right after that.  He came back on with maybe 2 minutes left in the half and never saw the floor again.  Hopefully just an ankle sprain in a game they didn't really need him. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on November 16, 2018, 12:02:46 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 15, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Dubuque has a junior transfer, Avery Butler. 

27-31 from the field
5-15 from the line

I'm curious to see how this develops over the course of the season.

It still would be interesting to learn how Dubuque "lost" (or is it how Loras "found") Cole Navigato just prior to the beginning of last season.
Navigato had "signed" (Celebratory Signing Form/Twitter/Verbal) with Dubuque last year to the point where his name was on the Dubuque roster when it was first posted on their web site prior to last season. A week or so later, he was gone from the UD site and, almost immediately, appeared on the Loras roster. Very strange situation to say the least. He is now in his soph year at Loras. Anyone have any info on how this switcheroo went down?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 16, 2018, 12:06:36 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 16, 2018, 12:02:46 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 15, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Dubuque has a junior transfer, Avery Butler. 

27-31 from the field
5-15 from the line

I'm curious to see how this develops over the course of the season.

It still would be interesting to learn how Dubuque "lost" (or is it how Loras "found") Cole Navigato just prior to the beginning of last season.
Navigato had "signed" (Celebratory Signing Form/Twitter/Verbal) with Dubuque last year to the point where his name was on the Dubuque roster when it was first posted on their web site prior to last season. A week or so later, he was gone from the UD site and, almost immediately, appeared on the Loras roster. Very strange situation to say the least. He is now in his soph year at Loras. Anyone have any info on how this switcheroo went down?

Reason 354 why when people ask me about recruits or individuals on a program, I tell them I don't care until all of the above happens...
- They have paid their deposit.
- They have shown up on campus.
- They have starting taking classes (have enough credits).
- Have met with the coach.
- Have started practicing with the team.
- Have been given a uniform.
- Have shown up on a roster.
- Are in their uniform for a game.
- Enter a game.

There are also, but sometimes more complicated as it is an eligibility thing that can happen after the fact:
- Paid their tuition bills.
- Continue to show up to class.
- Kept their grades up.

There are so many ways, especially in DIII, for things to go in a different direction and thus why I don't pay that much attention to where recruits (or schools) say they are going.

That said ... certainly interesting. I'll read what might have happened. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 16, 2018, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 16, 2018, 12:02:46 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 15, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Dubuque has a junior transfer, Avery Butler. 

27-31 from the field
5-15 from the line

I'm curious to see how this develops over the course of the season.

It still would be interesting to learn how Dubuque "lost" (or is it how Loras "found") Cole Navigato just prior to the beginning of last season.
Navigato had "signed" (Celebratory Signing Form/Twitter/Verbal) with Dubuque last year to the point where his name was on the Dubuque roster when it was first posted on their web site prior to last season. A week or so later, he was gone from the UD site and, almost immediately, appeared on the Loras roster. Very strange situation to say the least. He is now in his soph year at Loras. Anyone have any info on how this switcheroo went down?

He showed up and was on campus for the first few weeks of classes last year.  Then made the switch over to Loras.  This has all the ingredients for a classic story since he left for the cross town school.     

The conspiracy theory guy in me says lets make this D1 basketball.  1st year Loras coach has ties to AAU funny money and boom, kid leaves the school less than a mile away to join their rival.  Reality is probably something much simpler...but it's fun to speculate about something dirty  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 16, 2018, 03:34:34 PM
BV-Bethany Lutheran was the only ARC game on the docket last night.  In looking at the box score, BV is going to be getting 3's up this year.  Dominic Sesma 7-9, Tim Jeffries 3-4, Connor Winkelman 4-4.  WOW!

Full slate of games tonight and Saturday.

Tonight...
Simpson at North Park
Central at St. Norbert
UD vs Olivet
NWU at Carroll
Loras vs St. Scholastica
Coe at Wheaton

Saturday...
NWU at St. Norbert
UD vs St. Scholastica
Luther vs Bethany Lutheran
BV at UW-Stevens Point
Wartburg vs Viterbo
Central at Carroll
Loras vs Olivet

Unlike earlier this week, I will be tuning in and keeping a close eye on each and every one of these games.  Most intrigued by the NWU/St. Norbert game Saturday afternoon.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 17, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
https://twitter.com/DuhawkMBB/status/1063654540417871873

Big shot by Rowan.... would have been a bad loss come March for the Duhawks.

On the flip side, the UMAC has a had a very impressive showing thus far early in the season.

EDIT: Game ended 81-80... Duhawks were down 2 before the shot!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 17, 2018, 12:42:35 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on November 17, 2018, 12:20:43 PM
https://twitter.com/DuhawkMBB/status/1063654540417871873

Big shot by Rowan.... would have been a bad loss come March for the Duhawks.

On the flip side, the UMAC has a had a very impressive showing thus far early in the season.

Very nice! I love buzzer beaters. I wish D3hoops still had that page, but one of them told me it's really hard to keep updated...or something.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 17, 2018, 12:52:39 PM
That was an awesome page! I would volunteer to run that page for free!  ;D   :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2018, 02:39:21 PM

Part of the problem was getting video from schools.  Some SIDs are great about it (Loras had the shot on Twitter within 90 seconds, I think), but others are really tough.  It's just a lot of work.

Apparently, Albertus Magnus beat Bowdoin last night on a layup that got blocked off the backboard into the hands of a trailing player for a buzzer beater.  I'd love to see it if any of you can track down some video.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 18, 2018, 10:40:54 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 17, 2018, 02:39:21 PM

Part of the problem was getting video from schools.  Some SIDs are great about it (Loras had the shot on Twitter within 90 seconds, I think), but others are really tough.  It's just a lot of work.

Apparently, Albertus Magnus beat Bowdoin last night on a layup that got blocked off the backboard into the hands of a trailing player for a buzzer beater.  I'd love to see it if any of you can track down some video.

I don't think it's really a "problem". It's a completely voluntary page. If SIDs don't want to send footage in, so be it. Even if 400+ teams send in a half dozen buzzer beaters a week, that's fine with me. You have a volunteer!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 18, 2018, 10:57:22 AM
What is the legality of taking videos from Synergy?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 19, 2018, 10:49:40 AM
Huge game Wednesday night for Loras against Augustana (the D3 Augie this time around). Augustana is very good, and arguably better than last year having Pierson Wofford back.

I’m interested to see how Augie will guard Josh Ruggles, as Grey Giovanne lost out on Ruggles when he was looking for a D3 school to land at following his transfer from NAIA Grace College. I wouldn’t be surprised if they throw Crishawn Orange or Nolen Ebel at him all night, but time will tell.

Jordan Boyd/Jake Toman and Ryan DiCanio will have their hands full all night with the likes of Micah Martin and Brett Benning respectively, but I feel they will be up to the task. Very much looking forward to this one!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 19, 2018, 03:29:03 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on November 18, 2018, 10:57:22 AM
What is the legality of taking videos from Synergy?

Not really allowed as I understand it. THat said, that is basically how the Fitchburg State elbow was released to the world (before smarter folks like us knew you could get the footage via their stream). So maybe... frowned upon?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 20, 2018, 08:45:24 AM
Lost in the big Wednesday night game between Augustana and Loras is the "Don't forget about us" game between Simpson and ranked Platteville. Platteville just dropped a home game against fellow, lower ranked St. John's while Simpson hammered #26 Hope over the weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 20, 2018, 09:54:44 AM
Simpson/Platteville is actually 1 of 5 ARC games, tonight.  Simpson's Connor Riordan was named to this weeks D3 Team of the Week. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 20, 2018, 10:05:06 AM
I imagine Central isn't very good. I wonder if they'll be able to break the system vs Grinnell.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2018, 11:52:15 AM
Simpson is good. Connor Riordan is the real deal, and he's got some teammates, especially guard John Barbee and center Adam Reiter, that are solid as well. UW-Platteville will probably have its hands full.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 20, 2018, 11:11:13 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 16, 2018, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 16, 2018, 12:02:46 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 15, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Dubuque has a junior transfer, Avery Butler. 

27-31 from the field
5-15 from the line

I'm curious to see how this develops over the course of the season.


It still would be interesting to learn how Dubuque "lost" (or is it how Loras "found") Cole Navigato just prior to the beginning of last season.
Navigato had "signed" (Celebratory Signing Form/Twitter/Verbal) with Dubuque last year to the point where his name was on the Dubuque roster when it was first posted on their web site prior to last season. A week or so later, he was gone from the UD site and, almost immediately, appeared on the Loras roster. Very strange situation to say the least. He is now in his soph year at Loras. Anyone have any info on how this switcheroo went down?

He showed up and was on campus for the first few weeks of classes last year.  Then made the switch over to Loras.  This has all the ingredients for a classic story since he left for the cross town school.     

The conspiracy theory guy in me says lets make this D1 basketball.  1st year Loras coach has ties to AAU funny money and boom, kid leaves the school less than a mile away to join their rival.  Reality is probably something much simpler...but it's fun to speculate about something dirty  ;D
Did the Loras coach have his roof shingled?  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 20, 2018, 11:21:54 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 20, 2018, 10:05:06 AM
I imagine Central isn't very good. I wonder if they'll be able to break the system vs Grinnell.
Central's young team takes down Grinnell 105-96 tonight. Central was plagued with turnovers tonight. Dutch do not take one three point shot tonight while Grinnell takes 89. Glad they only made 20.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 21, 2018, 08:33:49 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 20, 2018, 11:52:15 AM
Simpson is good. Connor Riordan is the real deal, and he's got some teammates, especially guard John Barbee and center Adam Reiter, that are solid as well. UW-Platteville will probably have its hands full.

You weren't lying.  Platteville really struggled containing Riordan.  An impressive win for Simpson, and a great win for the ARC. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 21, 2018, 02:11:28 PM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on November 20, 2018, 11:11:13 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 16, 2018, 08:24:05 AM
Quote from: AndOne on November 16, 2018, 12:02:46 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 15, 2018, 06:04:09 PM
Dubuque has a junior transfer, Avery Butler. 

27-31 from the field
5-15 from the line

I'm curious to see how this develops over the course of the season.


It still would be interesting to learn how Dubuque "lost" (or is it how Loras "found") Cole Navigato just prior to the beginning of last season.
Navigato had "signed" (Celebratory Signing Form/Twitter/Verbal) with Dubuque last year to the point where his name was on the Dubuque roster when it was first posted on their web site prior to last season. A week or so later, he was gone from the UD site and, almost immediately, appeared on the Loras roster. Very strange situation to say the least. He is now in his soph year at Loras. Anyone have any info on how this switcheroo went down?

He showed up and was on campus for the first few weeks of classes last year.  Then made the switch over to Loras.  This has all the ingredients for a classic story since he left for the cross town school.     

The conspiracy theory guy in me says lets make this D1 basketball.  1st year Loras coach has ties to AAU funny money and boom, kid leaves the school less than a mile away to join their rival.  Reality is probably something much simpler...but it's fun to speculate about something dirty  ;D
Did the Loras coach have his roof shingled?  ;D

Everyone know the shingling trick only works for football players  :-*
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 21, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 21, 2018, 02:11:28 PM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on November 20, 2018, 11:11:13 PM
It still would be interesting to learn how Dubuque "lost" (or is it how Loras "found") Cole Navigato just prior to the beginning of last season. Anyone have any info on how this switcheroo went down?
Did the Loras coach have his roof shingled?  ;D
Everyone know the shingling trick only works for football players  :-*
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Wish I could give you karma for that.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 21, 2018, 10:28:46 PM
Everyone have a safe and happy Thanksgiving tomorrow.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 21, 2018, 10:39:15 PM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on November 21, 2018, 10:27:17 PM
Quote from: Alfredeneumann on November 21, 2018, 02:11:28 PM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on November 20, 2018, 11:11:13 PM
It still would be interesting to learn how Dubuque "lost" (or is it how Loras "found") Cole Navigato just prior to the beginning of last season. Anyone have any info on how this switcheroo went down?
Did the Loras coach have his roof shingled?  ;D
Everyone know the shingling trick only works for football players  :-*
Wish I could give you karma for that.
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I'll give it in your name.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 22, 2018, 01:55:07 PM
Here's the link to the final 3 seconds of last nights game between Loras and #2 Augustana. This is following the Loras goaltend and ensuing full court inbound attempt.

https://twitter.com/duhawkmbb/status/1065659603944382464?s=21
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 23, 2018, 09:48:58 AM
What a crazy ending.  Was a back and forth battle all night.  I don't recall either team leading by more than double digits (outside of the early 12-3 lead Loras held).  Everything I've been reading wants to look at Augustana's poor FT shooting.  I'd ask this, if DiCanio hadn't sat for 10+ minutes in the first half due to foul trouble, what kind of outcome would we have seen, 5-10 point W?  He was the difference maker in this game with Ruggles struggling to get free from Orange. 

Seeing Simpson and Loras beat top 10 teams this week, brings even more excitment for the ARC season.  For the past 5 seasons, this league has gotten more and more competitive.  I think a lot of people have been sleeping on Simpson.  There is no doubt that they will be contending for a title.  The ARC will not be a walk in the park for NWU/Loras like most had originally thought. 

Could this be the year we see multiple ARC teams in the top 25/NCAA tournament??
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 23, 2018, 10:04:40 AM
A couple of games tonight Doane at Wartburg, Redlands at NWU

Tomorrows slate should be fun to keep an eye on
Elmhurst at BV
Luther at St. Mary's
Olivet at NWU
Central at Gustavus Adolphus
Dordt at Wartburg

Sunday
Simpson at Millikin
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on November 25, 2018, 03:38:49 PM
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'Tis the season of ... upsets? There have been plenty. 13 of the D3hoops.com Men's Preseason Top 25 have lost and even the women have seen some shockers (Eastern Connecticut over Amherst!). So, I guess there are many teams thankful this time of year?

Sunday on Hoopsville (http://www.d3hoopsville.com), Dave recaps a wacky few weeks of basketball and previews what could be very topsy-turvy first in-season Top 25s. Dave also welcomes one of the teams which pulled off one of the larger upsets in the last week, Loras, who defeated No. 3 Augustana.

Division III also hears from the new men's basketball committee chair for the first time this season. Gallaudet Associate Athletic Director for Communications Sam Atkinson joins Dave in studio live to talk about the new-look national committee, how the work has evolved not only over the years but also the last few months, and take questions from viewers.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 28, 2018, 03:56:49 PM
Tonight kicks off the ARC season.

Loras at UD...Loras by 6.
Simpson at Wartburg...Wartburg by 2
Coe at BV...BV by 12
Central at NWU...NWU by 20

Non-conference action
Luther at Martin Luther
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 28, 2018, 09:04:05 PM
Good luck Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 28, 2018, 09:06:25 PM
Anything going to be done about Dubuque's live feed? They don't do live stats and seem to have forgotten to cover their own home game tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on November 28, 2018, 09:09:18 PM
Quote from: duckfan41 on November 28, 2018, 09:06:25 PM
Anything going to be done about Dubuque's live feed? They don't do live stats and seem to have forgotten to cover their own home game tonight.

All is well on the Western Front!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 28, 2018, 09:45:23 PM
Central down by 10 at the half. They are playing pretty well given they are at Nebraska Wesleyan. Dutch get a free throw rebound with 4 seconds left and move down the floor for a beautiful layup as time expires. Nice job for a young team that is completely outsized.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 28, 2018, 10:00:14 PM
Dubuque and Loras tied up at 36 at the half.  Entertaining game so far, and a nice sized crowd. 

Using the Roku device and watching on tv is so much nicer than sitting at my computer like the old days.  Will tune into the other conference games while this one is at the half.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 28, 2018, 10:31:01 PM
Central down by 8 with 3 minutes left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 28, 2018, 10:40:01 PM
Central down by 7 with 39 seconds left.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 28, 2018, 10:43:16 PM
Dutch lose by 8 with our leading scorer not playing.  Not bad against NWU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 28, 2018, 11:04:19 PM
Congratulations to Nebraska Wesleyan on their win tonight. I have to say fantastic game for the Dutch. Seth Wood was on fire with 32 points.  Central played a solid game from start to finish. We had a lot of time from freshmen and sophomores tonight that did not let playing the top team rattle them. Dutch are playing better than their record would lead one to expect. Keep it up Dutch. The wins will come.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 28, 2018, 11:19:37 PM
Dubuque gets the home win over Loras.  I think it was 78-72.  UD tried to make it interesting, going only 2-8 from the line over the final minute. 

Nice to get a good start to the conference season with a win over your cross-town rival and a team picked near the top in the preseason.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 29, 2018, 09:18:47 AM
Wartburg beat Simpson 92-81. Sabus scores 33.

https://go-knights.net/news/2018/11/28/mens-basketball-sabus-sets-career-high-knights-hold-off-simpson-to-win-conference-opener.aspx

Knights had 15-20 point lead for much of 1st half and first 10 min of 2nd. Then they got careless w/ ball and Simpson hit shots but WC hit FT's down the stretch.

WC played without starter Ryan Stulken who limped off the court during warm-ups. Did not come to back bench until 5 min left in 1st half in NOT IN UNIFORM.



Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: ecreddevils on November 29, 2018, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 28, 2018, 11:19:37 PM
Dubuque gets the home win over Loras.  I think it was 78-72.  UD tried to make it interesting, going only 2-8 from the line over the final minute. 

Nice to get a good start to the conference season with a win over your cross-town rival and a team picked near the top in the preseason.

Any way you could give any more details?  I watched a bit on my phone but hard to see.   Looked like Loras could not buy a bucket down the stretch.  Cold shooting or good DU defense?  Or both?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 29, 2018, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: ecreddevils on November 29, 2018, 11:34:17 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 28, 2018, 11:19:37 PM
Dubuque gets the home win over Loras.  I think it was 78-72.  UD tried to make it interesting, going only 2-8 from the line over the final minute. 

Nice to get a good start to the conference season with a win over your cross-town rival and a team picked near the top in the preseason.

Any way you could give any more details?  I watched a bit on my phone but hard to see.   Looked like Loras could not buy a bucket down the stretch.  Cold shooting or good DU defense?  Or both?

This article isn't behind a pay wall for me.  Could be for others though.

http://www.telegraphherald.com/sports/local_sports/article_0bc67d12-f199-56d2-af22-84ee082a37d3.html?utm_source=thonline&utm_medium=click_source&utm_campaign=left_column_news (http://www.telegraphherald.com/sports/local_sports/article_0bc67d12-f199-56d2-af22-84ee082a37d3.html?utm_source=thonline&utm_medium=click_source&utm_campaign=left_column_news)

UD coach Sieverding says that was the best defense his team could play.  Probably a case for a bit of both.  Dubuque playing well and this was probably the first hostile crowd of the year for Loras.  Early non-con games are usually sparsely attended affairs, and this was a full house. 

Dubuque outrebounded Loras by 10, that might have been the difference.  Neither team shot well.  Dubuque was 22-52 from the field, Loras was 21-60 from the field.  Both will wish they did better from the line.  25-34 for Loras, only 24-39 for Dubuque.  24-39 from the line will normally lead to a loss, so I imagine the Spartans are happy they came away with the W.

This will be a hard season for everyone.  NWU had to fight against Central last night to get a win.  Wartburg beat a strong Simpson team.  Loras took a loss against UD.  4 conference losses might get you a conference title this year.     
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 29, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
It was an extremely poor shooting night for the Duhawks.  They had their chances with several open looks down the stretch to take the lead, but just weren't able to get anything to fall. UD absolutley pounded them on the glass and was definitely the aggressor for a majority of the night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 30, 2018, 12:07:28 PM
Saturday Games

NWU at Dubuque
BV at Loras
Coe at Wartburg
Simpson at Luther

UW-LaCrosse at Central
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 30, 2018, 07:45:40 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 28, 2018, 11:19:37 PM
Dubuque gets the home win over Loras.  I think it was 78-72.  UD tried to make it interesting, going only 2-8 from the line over the final minute. 

Nice to get a good start to the conference season with a win over your cross-town rival and a team picked near the top in the preseason.
That is impressive given all the talk about Loras challenging NWU for the title. I thought Central challenged well the other night also.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 30, 2018, 08:15:29 PM
So Wartburg and Central both played without a starter due to injury Wednesday night. Wartburg has a player score 33 and Central has a player score 32.  I think it was career bests for both players. Did these players step it up and take the games on their shoulders because of the missing starter or was it just their night to shine?

Central seams to be a team where one guy just has a lights out kind of game and you never know just who that player is going to be. That makes it hard to know how to prepare. Fortunately the Dutch seem to do a good job of feeding the hot hand and are playing well as a team. The hard part is that as well as they played Wednesday it was still a loss. I am really impressed with how fast the team is coming together as there are a lot of new players, even among the upperclassmen. A lot of very young players stepping up as well.  Here is hoping for a win tomorrow.

Hey Doolittle, the Dutch have NWU a work out Wednesday, they should be tired tomorrow.  ;) i am a little afraid Central might have the same issue.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 30, 2018, 11:14:43 PM
Hey Schipper Strong...it's early yet, but at this point it looks like we have an interesting conference season in front of us.  Central gave NWU all they could handle.  Dubuque was able to take one from Loras.  Wartburg got one from Simpson, right after the Storm had taken out a ranked team. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 01, 2018, 05:55:13 PM
Dubuque leading NWU 41-37 at the half.  McDaniel for UD with 7 3-pointers in the 1st half.  NWU out rebounded UD by 4.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 01, 2018, 06:40:55 PM
Strong 2nd half for NWU (63% from the field in the 2nd half) takes a 92-78 win @ UD.  McDaniel sets a UD record with 9 3-pointers in the game.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 01, 2018, 07:34:08 PM
Central gets a win today against Wisc-LaCrosse 89-77. Dutch lead most of the game. When I think back to when Central played River Falls to start the season it was with a feeling that it would be a long year.  Central has come a long way. They look and play nothing like the team that played that day. They still need to work on reducing turnovers, but they are playing so well together now it is night and day difference. I think they have found a lineup that works and they seem to have hit their stride.  Jamel McKinght had another strong game with 26 points after adding 22 to Wood's 32 Wednesday. I am impressed with freshman Thomas Spoehr who is really holding his own in the much more physical college level game. Good job Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on December 03, 2018, 10:16:32 PM
Loras loses to an unranked team and only drops 2 places, from 19th to 21st, in the new D3Hoops Poll.  ???  :o
Angels (or at least nuns) in the Outfield 3rd row of the bleachers.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on December 05, 2018, 09:17:19 AM
Tonights matchups

UD at Luther
Wartburg at Loras
Central at Coe
BV at Simpson

NWU off

The 2 games I'll be keeping my eye on tonight will be Wartburg/Loras and BV/Simpson.  Wartburg's Ryan Stulken has not played in last 2 games, and while Wartburg has played well without him, they are a much better team with him in the lineup.  Will be interesting to see if he suits up tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 05, 2018, 10:34:01 PM
Central wins at Coe 87 to 73. Another solid performance. Way to go Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 06, 2018, 12:05:37 AM
Dubuque with a 78-77 win @ Luther

All 5 UD starters double figures in points...but on the flip side, only 9 points off the bench for Dubuque. 

Next up for UD is an exhibition @ UNI on Saturday. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2018, 02:50:30 PM
It's an exhibition, but...Dubuque leads UNI 36-34 at the half. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2018, 04:01:07 PM
Dubuque plays well in a 75-67 loss to UNI.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Hoosiersfan2323 on December 10, 2018, 11:42:23 AM
On Saturday, Loras pounded Lake Forest 118-92 behind one of the most impressive shooting performances I've ever seen out of a team. The Duhawks shot 70.8% from the field and 62.5% from beyond the three point arc. The defense for both teams was shaky at best, but still an incredible performance.


Perhaps no single player was more impressive than sophomore Rowan McGowen, who connected on all 10 of his FGA (including 6-6 3PT) on his way to 26 points. Senior Ryan DiCanio was 12-15 with a team-high 30 points. For Lake Forest, Danny Sotos led with 25 points.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 10, 2018, 09:23:25 PM
Central took it on the chin against Platteville on Saturday. They were with them bucket for bucket most of the first half then  Platteville went on a 16-0 run. It was greatly helped by a high number of steals with the Dutch doing a poor job of ball control. Central shot well for the night, much better than Platteville, but 23 turnovers and weak rebounding doomed them.

They had improved so much, but for a bit they just really lost focus.  I give them credit though. They really put themselves in a big hole but they did make a nice comeback, they just ran out of time. At least it was a non conference game. I thought they had a good chance to win the way most of the first half went, but you have to take care of the ball as big the boards consistently. I am skipping Thursday's game, and I use that term loosely, against Faith Baptist.  It will give the subs some quality minutes, but is pretty boring to watch.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 13, 2018, 09:37:36 PM
Central beats Faith Baptist 95-52 in a wind down to finals.  Everybody got to play.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on December 14, 2018, 09:17:33 AM
Loras defeated BV, in a make-up game, 104-85.  A lot of time for both benches as the Duhawks led 96-70 with just under 6:00 remaining.  Both teams are back at it Saturday, BV travels to Northwestern, Loras hosts Augsburg.

NWU heads out west over the weekend to face George Fox (6-2) and Linfield (6-1).  Will be a huge road test for NWU, probably the 2 toughtest opponents they will have faced up to this point in the season. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 14, 2018, 09:46:49 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on December 14, 2018, 09:17:33 AM
Loras defeated BV, in a make-up game, 104-85.  A lot of time for both benches as the Duhawks led 96-70 with just under 6:00 remaining.  Both teams are back at it Saturday, BV travels to Northwestern, Loras hosts Augsburg.

NWU heads out west over the weekend to face George Fox (6-2) and Linfield (6-1).  Will be a huge road test for NWU, probably the 2 toughtest opponents they will have faced up to this point in the season.

They might actually have to give more than 70% in these games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on December 16, 2018, 09:08:38 AM
Loras defeated Augsburg last night 89-66, behind freshman Jordan Boyd's 18 and 11 performance. Loras has won each of the last 3 games by an average 22 points, all while per-season all American Josh Ruggles has struggled to find his shot. When he finds it again, look out. They have so many different guys that they can go to. It's hard to hide any poor defenders against this team. Next on their schedule #11 UW-Whitewater.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 18, 2018, 08:05:07 PM
Central playing ugly at Bethany Lutheran tonight. We should be winning but our shot selection is really poor. For a decent shooting team we must be on a final's brain drain. Lots of shots, nothing but air and poor rebounding making for a likely bad outcome if they don't get their heads out of their back side.  This will be a game they will wish they could replay. 6 minutes left and on any other night i think they would win. They don't seem to want it tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 18, 2018, 08:38:31 PM
Central goes down in flames in a loss that was embarrassing, don't get me wrong Bethany Lutheran played well and clearly deserved the win. Central looked like they warmed up at the bar. The number of air balls tonight is going to make them cringe. Coach Douma wasn't there for some reason. I don't know if they would have played any better if he had been. I am Central loyal, I see the world through a red lens many times, but tonight they deserve blatant honesty.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on December 19, 2018, 01:47:18 PM
What is going on in the ARC!?  Head Coaches catching the flu bug?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 22, 2018, 03:15:40 PM
Coach Douma apparently had a back injury according to the write up.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 02, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Central plays Dubuque tonight. Please tell me Doolittle doesn't have a lucky snow blower.

Hope the Dutch play better tonight. They have to earn some respect back after their last outing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 02, 2019, 08:51:49 PM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on January 02, 2019, 08:29:00 PM
Central plays Dubuque tonight. Please tell me Doolittle doesn't have a lucky snow blower.

Hope the Dutch play better tonight. They have to earn some respect back after their last outing.

I found a penny and picked it up today  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 02, 2019, 09:43:22 PM
Well, you didn't need to do that. Seriously, it was completely unneccessary.  I don't know where the Central team from earlier went, but they look like amateur hour tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 02, 2019, 09:50:16 PM
Not sure why the stats are not working tonight. Guess they want to keep their shooting percentage a secret.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 02, 2019, 10:51:41 PM
I THINK Dubuque beat Central 93-74?  Schipper Strong can help me out here.  There was no sound for the game so while I was working I really had no idea what was going on, other than I knew UD was up. 

I love conference road wins!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 02, 2019, 11:04:18 PM
Congratulations to Dubuque on a well earned easy win tonight. They certainly won the hustle award tonight. They did not shoot great, but they hit the boards hard all night and got some easy steals from a lackluster Central team.

Maybe the Central team that played together so well earlier in the season was not the real Central team. I am sure this is the team everyone that picked central to finish so low expected. I wanted to believe in the team they showed themselves capable of being. But they seem to have lost their focus. For a few games they were playing unselfishly, sharing the ball, looking for the open shots and actually aiming the ball when they took them. They out rebounded teams that had the height advantage and played like a contender. Not sure what caused them to soar and what caused them to fizzle back out. Dubuque did not always look great tonight either, but they played a lot harder and wanted it far more.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 02, 2019, 11:12:39 PM
Sorry, I can't help you out. The internet worked about as well as the home team. No stats, no sound at all, and my video kept going out during the game. I was home the last 4 days with a horrid cold and didn't think I should push it by working then going to a game my first day back to reality. I was actually glad I didn't feel up to going out to the game when I saw how it was going. I had no idea how much time was left when I have up trying to get it to come back on.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 06, 2019, 11:42:54 PM
I sense Loras strongly felt they were capable of taking down #1 Nebraska Wesleyan yesterday.
However, you have to be impressed with NWU's 18 point win, especially when you consider 2 Wesleyan starters were out and didn't play a minute.
Loras' Josh Ruggles—20 minutes, 1 for 6, 3 points. Was he hurt?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 07, 2019, 09:15:01 AM

I don't know if he's hurt, but his numbers have been down for a few games, for sure.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on January 07, 2019, 10:17:55 AM
Quote from: AndOne on January 06, 2019, 11:42:54 PM
I sense Loras strongly felt they were capable of taking down #1 Nebraska Wesleyan yesterday.
However, you have to be impressed with NWU's 18 point win, especially when you consider 2 Wesleyan starters were out and didn't play a minute.
Loras' Josh Ruggles—20 minutes, 1 for 6, 3 points. Was he hurt?

He had been throwing up the night before. And then game day he was throwing up before, during, and after the game. Not fun stuff but the competitor in him did his best to be out there for his team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 07, 2019, 03:21:18 PM
Quote from: duckfan41 on January 07, 2019, 10:17:55 AM
Quote from: AndOne on January 06, 2019, 11:42:54 PM
I sense Loras strongly felt they were capable of taking down #1 Nebraska Wesleyan yesterday.
However, you have to be impressed with NWU's 18 point win, especially when you consider 2 Wesleyan starters were out and didn't play a minute.
Loras' Josh Ruggles—20 minutes, 1 for 6, 3 points. Was he hurt?

He had been throwing up the night before. And then game day he was throwing up before, during, and after the game. Not fun stuff but the competitor in him did his best to be out there for his team.

Well, you have to admire his competitive nature. However, given the status of his health before, during, and after the game, the logical question that arises is whether his participation actually did the team more harm than good.  ???
Also, should Loras Coach Martin have pushed back when Ruggles expressed his desire to play. 🤔
This is a kid who has had a history of catastrophic health issues and multiple heart surgeries as I understand it. That he was throwing up the night before is one thing, but the fact that he was still doing it 24 hours later seems like it should have sent a cautionary signal in the coach's direction, especially considering his player's serious health history. Think about it—A heart related issue is not something you want to stress with athletic competition under less than optimum health. 💛
Lastly, for his teammates' sake, hopefully whatever he had is not communicable. 😷
I wouldn't want to have been the guy(s) sitting next to Ruggles during his prolonged period of up-chucking. 🤮

Maybe I'm being a little cautious here. But I'm thinking as a former medical investigator. 👨‍⚕️
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 08, 2019, 09:13:59 AM
Was able to do a little digging yesterday and found out that Ruggles was definitely under the weather, but from what I had been told, there was no vomitting during or following the game.  He hasn't looked himself for a few weeks, I really hope he starts to find his swagger again soon.  He can be a fun player to watch. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 09, 2019, 10:59:38 PM
Central finally gets an ugly win at home against BV 77-73.  They have been seriously short handed with injuries and played a few minutes with 4 guards on the floor tonight. It was a struggle all night and there is a lot of room for improvement, but at least they finally got a win.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 12, 2019, 06:50:41 PM
Dubuque takes down BVU 55-52

Neither team could buy a basket in the 2nd half.  BV lead 39-35 at the half, UD outscores the Beavers 20-13 in the 2nd. 

Dubuque now 4-3 in conference play. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 13, 2019, 11:07:48 AM
Standings...

Neb Wes 6-0  15-0
Loras  ....4-2  12-3
Dubuque 4-3  11-5
Simpson  3-3   9-5
Coe Col.  3-3   9-6
Wartburg 3-3  9-6
Central ...3-3  6-9
BVU .......2-5  8-8
Luther ....0-6  6-8

Looks like NWU and everyone else playing for the 2 seed.  Also of note, 2nd through 8th separated by 2 games.  Could see a decent team not make the conference tourney. 

Wednesday games...
Loras @ Luther 8pm
Wartburg @ BVU 8pm
Simpson @ Central 8pm
NWU @ Coe 8pm

Saturday games...
Luther @ NWU 4pm
Central @ Loras 4pm
Dubuque @ Wartburg 7pm
Coe @ Simpson 7pm
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 15, 2019, 05:10:33 PM
Been quite the year so far.  I'd say now is the time we might start seeing some separation, but I just don't know if that will happen.  Going to another one of those years where 3-4 teams are fighting for the last couple of spots.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 16, 2019, 11:05:54 PM
Central gets the win over Simpson tonight by 3. I think it was 87-84 but don't quote me on that. Central still playing with a number of players injured. Seth Wood did not play at all in the second half. I didn't see an injury, but we could have used him, so I don't know what the status is. Central and Simpson both had bursts that swung momentum through both halves. Everyone that played for the Dutch gave a solid effort. I have to give credit to Mason Walter helping out on a tough defensive assignment and getting a couple of huge 3s. Nice job for a senior who, until the injuries piled up, rarely played. A win over Simpson is always fun. Nice to see the Dutch keep battling tonight. It paid off.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 17, 2019, 06:42:19 AM

NWU shot 24% from three and got outrebounded and still won by 8 - a little drama in the last minute, but probably not enough for them to really worry.  It really seems like there's a few teams in conference who just can't beat the Prairie Wolves, even on a good night.  That says much more about the defending champs than about anyone else, though.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 20, 2019, 06:39:06 PM
Half way through the conference season. 

Neb Wes  .8-0
Loras  ......6-2
Wartburg  5-3
Dubuque  4-4
Coe Col  ..4-4
Central  ...4-4
Simpson  .3-5
BVU  .......2-6
Luther  ....0-8

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 24, 2019, 09:52:47 AM
Wartburg takes down Loras by an 88-83 score. In doing so they tie Loras for 2nd place in the conference. The loss should knock Loras out of the Top 25. Josh Ruggles 1 for 9 from three for Loras.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 24, 2019, 10:36:30 AM
It would certainly knock them out should they lose to Nebraska Wesleyan on Saturday.  With a win, I could see them dropping a bit, but not out of top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 24, 2019, 10:34:16 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on January 24, 2019, 10:36:30 AM
It would certainly knock them out should they lose to Nebraska Wesleyan on Saturday.  With a win, I could see them dropping a bit, but not out of top 25.

A win over the #1 team in the country who is undefeated would save them... but I expect Loras to drop out otherwise unfortunately.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on January 26, 2019, 06:41:46 PM
Down goes #1! Loras defeats Nebraska Wesleyan 84-76!

Ruggles led the charge with 27 for the Duhawks. Multiple guys in double figures for the Prairie Wolves. This win almost certainly will keep Loras in the top 25.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: augie77 on January 26, 2019, 07:26:48 PM
Current # 1 Nebraska Wesleyan and #2 Augustana both suffered their only loss to Loras.  Congratulations to the Duhawks!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on January 26, 2019, 07:40:54 PM
Quote from: augie77 on January 26, 2019, 07:26:48 PM
Current # 1 Nebraska Wesleyan and #2 Augustana both suffered their only loss to Loras.  Congratulations to the Duhawks!

Wow - I'd not noticed that!  Loras for #1! :o ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 28, 2019, 03:04:34 PM
Poll:
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/men/2018-19/week8
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 29, 2019, 08:53:19 AM
At this point, it appears that BV at Coe is the only game being rescheduled from Wednesday to Thursday due to the weather.  Anyone know of any other changes, or will all other games be played as scheduled?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on January 29, 2019, 02:44:09 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on January 29, 2019, 08:53:19 AM
At this point, it appears that BV at Coe is the only game being rescheduled from Wednesday to Thursday due to the weather.  Anyone know of any other changes, or will all other games be played as scheduled?

Wartburg @ Simpson moved to Thursday.
https://go-knights.net/news/2019/1/29/mens-basketball-changes-to-doubleheader-at-simpson.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 29, 2019, 02:58:09 PM
UD @ Loras moved up to 4:00 Wednesday
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 30, 2019, 01:45:01 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 30, 2019, 07:15:56 PM
Dubuque men sweep the Duhawks this season.  Strange game, basketball.

https://twitter.com/UDubuqueSports/status/1090763656407773184 (https://twitter.com/UDubuqueSports/status/1090763656407773184)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2019, 08:34:28 PM
NWU squeaks out a 3 point win over BVU 89-86
Dubuque also gets a 3 point win, 75-72 over Central
Coe is the only road team with a victory, 80-63 over Luther
Loras takes out their frustrations on Simpson and gets a 100-79 win

Standings...
Neb Wes 11-1
Loras.......9-4
Wartburg..8-4
Coe Coll....7-5
Simpson...6-6
Dubuque..6-7
Central.....4-8
BVU.........3-10
Luther......1-10

Monday game
Luther @ Simpson

Wednesday games
Simpson @ NWU
Central @ BVU
Wartburg @ Luther
Coe @ Dubuque

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 03, 2019, 09:09:48 PM
Loras was also without starters McGowen or Boyd.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 05, 2019, 09:39:25 AM
NWU and Loras have both qualified for the conference tournament, a win for Wartburg on Wednesday and they will clinch a spot.  I don't see NWU losing 3 of the next 4 games, they will be the #1 seed.  As for 2-6, all up in the air. 

NWU (11-1)
vs Simpson
at Wartburg
vs Coe
at Luther

Loras (9-4)
at Coe
vs Luther
at Central

Wartburg (8-4)
at Luther
vs NWU
vs BV
at UD

Coe (7-5)
at UD
vs Loras
at NWU
vs Simpson

Simpson (7-6)
at NWU
vs Central
at Coe

Dubuque (6-7)
vs Coe
at BV
vs Wartburg

Central (4-8)
at BV
vs Luther
at Simpson
vs Loras

BV (3-10)
vs Central
vs UD
at Wartburg

Luther (1-11)
vs Wartburg
at Central
at Loras
vs NWU
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 05, 2019, 01:09:07 PM
Luther is out for sure. BV could possibly make it, but all the things that would need to happen, the chances are very slim. Central has an outside chance, but they have lost twice to Dubuque, so would lose that tie-breaker. The seedings for 2-6 are far from settled at this point however.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 06, 2019, 04:20:02 PM
Here are the first rankings for the men this season: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 08, 2019, 10:42:03 AM
NWU has officially wrapped up at least a share of the regular season conference title.  Wartburg and Coe have qualified for the conference tournament.  Saturday games—Simpson (BYE) is in with a Central (vs Luther) loss, UD (at BV) is in with a win and Central loss.

NWU (12-1)
at Wartburg
vs Coe
at Luther

Loras (9-4)
at Coe
vs Luther
at Central

Wartburg (9-4)
vs NWU
vs BV
at UD

Coe (8-5)
vs Loras
at NWU
vs Simpson

Simpson (7-7)
BYE
vs Central
at Coe

Dubuque (6-8)
at BV
BYE
vs Wartburg

Central (4-9)
vs Luther
at Simpson
vs Loras

BV (4-10)
vs UD
at Wartburg
BYE

Luther (1-12)
at Central
at Loras
vs NWU
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 09, 2019, 05:47:21 AM
Central is sadly living down to expectations.  They looked decent for awhile, I know they had some injuries, but they have imploded. I don't know how to explain it. They had a 14 point lead at BV and lost by 30. I hate to say it, but the coaching was poor.  They have enough talent that they should be winning more.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 09, 2019, 07:16:14 PM
Central does get another win today over Luther 94-90. So maybe they exceeded expectations for those who only have them 4 conference wins in the projections. It is just disappointing to have them play well in a number of pre-Christmas games and then do so poorly after Christmas. Seems to happen every year under Douma. They have the potential to be a top half team, yet every year they struggle to make the tourney. Once they do though they give it a good run. This year they will need a lot of help to get there. I hope all these guys really give it their all in the off season. I am ready for them to live up to their potential.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 11, 2019, 10:15:00 AM
Not that anyone needs more reason to think that #1 NWU is having a great year, but they currently lead the nation with an amazing 54.5 FG% and are second in the nation with a 1.85 Ast:TO ratio. An incredibly efficient and well oiled offense the Prairie Wolves are running this season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 11, 2019, 12:19:12 PM
NWU has cliniced the #1 seed.  Playing for a tournament berth Wednesday—Dubuque (BYE), Simpson is in with a Win over Central. Central and BV both needing a win to stay alive.

*NWU (13-1)
vs Coe
at Luther

*Loras (10-4)
vs Luther
at Central

*Wartburg (9-5)
vs BV
at UD

*Coe (8-6)
at NWU
vs Simpson

Simpson (7-7)
vs Central
at Coe

Dubuque (6-9)
BYE
vs Wartburg

Central (5-9)
at Simpson
vs Loras

BV (5-10)
at Wartburg
BYE

Luther (1-13)
at Loras
vs NWU
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on February 11, 2019, 01:18:32 PM
Top 25 for Week 10 is up.

https://d3hoops.com/top25/men/2018-19/week10

NWU maintains stranglehold on #1. Loras moves up from #22 to #20.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on February 11, 2019, 05:33:03 PM
Off the subject but nevertheless interesting.  I watched a documentary on our local public television station about George Washington Carver.  It seems he spent a year at Simpson College in the1890s and went on to earn a Bachelor's degree and Master's degree at Iowa State.  If you don't know who he is, you need to enrich your knowledge.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on February 11, 2019, 07:04:26 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on February 11, 2019, 05:33:03 PM
Off the subject but nevertheless interesting.  I watched a documentary on our local public television station about George Washington Carver.  It seems he spent a year at Simpson College in the1890s and went on to earn a Bachelor's degree and Master's degree at Iowa State.  If you don't know who he is, you need to enrich your knowledge.

So. Many. Peanuts.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 13, 2019, 09:32:49 AM
Biggest game of the night is going to be Central at Simpson.  Looking at things a little closer, UD will have the tie breaker of Central via head-to-head...tonight is a must win for the Dutch. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 13, 2019, 03:27:46 PM
The second week Regional Rankings have been released: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 14, 2019, 09:15:17 AM
The field is set...
#1 NWU
#2 Loras (hold tie breaker over Wartburg via Win over NWU)
#3 Wartburg
#4/5 Simpson
#4/5 Coe
#6 Dubuque

#1 NWU, BYE
#2 Loras, BYE
#3 Wartburg vs #6 Dubuque
#4 Simpson/Coe vs #5 Simpson/Coe

Coe travels to Simpson on Saturday, both will play one another again on Tuesday.  Winner Saturday will determine who hosts on Tuesday. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 19, 2019, 09:44:30 AM
First round tonight.  Oddly enough, both matchups are playing one another again after playing Saturday.  Simpson will host Coe, winner will head out to NWU on Thursday.  Wartburg will host UD, winner to Loras. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 19, 2019, 10:01:19 PM
Dubuque was down 41-30 at the half.  Spartans came out hot in the 2nd half and took a 60-47 lead.  Wartburg fought back...Dubuque hangs on for a 83-80 win. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2019, 09:31:44 AM

Can Loras actually beat Dubuque?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2019, 09:31:44 AM

Can Loras actually beat Dubuque?

Loras can, and probably should beat Dubuque.  It's hard to beat a team 3 straight times...as Wartburg just found out with Dubuque.  Dubuque has 2 wins on the season against a good Loras team.  But I will say, Dubuque wasn't playing spectacularly in those 2 games against the Duhawks. Poor free throw shooting by Dubuque kept Loras in those 2 games.   As they say, this is why you play the game.  Should be a fun cross town rivalry game once again.  I'm hoping for a 3rd Spartan victory over Loras   :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2019, 11:28:52 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 20, 2019, 10:15:17 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 20, 2019, 09:31:44 AM

Can Loras actually beat Dubuque?

Loras can, and probably should beat Dubuque.  It's hard to beat a team 3 straight times

Ah, the old cliché that makes no sense.

Think about it: This cliché provides no context. It's just a blanket generalization, and it's one of those blanket generalizations for which one can find thousands of examples at the drop of a hat that prove it wrong. Nebraska Wesleyan beat Luther this season by 33 at home and by 24 at Luther. Do you really think that it would be hard for the Prairie Wolves to beat the Norse a third time? St. Thomas beat Macalester by 22 on the home floor of the Scots and by 33 at St. Thomas. Would you still insist that it would be hard for the Tommies to triumph a third time over Macalester?

Now, if you qualified it by inserting the word "good" between 'a" and "team", then you've got something that has some truth to it. The problem is that it's also so obvious as to be a truism. It's hard to beat a good team once, let alone three times.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 20, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
The number 1 ranked team in the nation could easily beat any number of teams 3 times in a season.  For 2 teams closer in strength to each other, I think you can argue it's unlikely for 1 team to get 3 straight wins against another.  Especially when you take in home court, rivalry factors and what not. 

This is the ARC page, those on here will understand Dubuque/Wartburg or Dubuque/Loras is different than talking a top ranked team against a team at the bottom of the conference. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 20, 2019, 12:58:05 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 20, 2019, 12:45:52 PM
The number 1 ranked team in the nation could easily beat any number of teams 3 times in a season.  For 2 teams closer in strength to each other, I think you can argue it's unlikely for 1 team to get 3 straight wins against another.  Especially when you take in home court, rivalry factors and what not.

Yes, but none of that is even implied in your original quote. You simply uttered the cliché with no qualfiers, such as the teams that are playing a third time being "closer in strength to each other" or such other additional elements as home court or a rivalry situation.

Quote from: doolittledog on February 20, 2019, 12:45:52 PMThis is the ARC page, those on here will understand Dubuque/Wartburg or Dubuque/Loras is different than talking a top ranked team against a team at the bottom of the conference.

Like I said, you're adding context now where you had provided none in your original statement.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 20, 2019, 03:42:28 PM
The third public NCAA Division III regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2019/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on February 22, 2019, 09:36:22 AM
Loras with a complete domination of Dubuque last night in one of the ARC Tourney semi-finals. The only time this game was tied was when it was 0-0, and once Loras scored less than a minute into the game, they never looked back.

Will McClaughry erupted in the first half for 17 points on 6-7 shooting, but finished with 17 for the game. Josh Ruggles led the way with 23 points, followed by McClaughry's 17, and rounded out by DiCanio and George finishing with 13. As the Loras writeup stated plainly in the headline, "Third Time the Charm." It was only a matter of time before Loras figured things out against their crosstown rivals, and that time came almost immediately from the start of the game last night (scoring 40 seconds in).

The Duhawk win sets up a much anticipated round three with defending champ Nebraska Wesleyan in Lincoln. Nebraska Wesleyan squeaked passed Simpson in the other semi-final 85-80. Both teams should be ready to play, as they really don't like each other and each can have the other's number on any given night. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on February 28, 2019, 02:06:40 PM
The end of season awards are announced for the ARC conference:

http://rollrivers.com/news/2019/2/27/american-rivers-conference-mens-basketball-all-conference-team-announced-nwus-garver-wellman-headline.aspx
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on March 08, 2019, 10:21:06 PM
Congratulations to Loras and NWU for making the post season and the success they had. Granted NWU would have liked a repeat, but all the same, it was good to see two teams both make it past the first round and Loras made a nice run. Thanks to all of the seniors from all of the team's for a great year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 11, 2019, 09:16:44 PM
I dont know if there is anyone here, but I posted this in the MIAC thread. My condolences to Jaran Sabus and the Knights. I think you got snubbed, by whomever dropped the ball in not getting you nominated for All-Region.

Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 11, 2019, 09:09:32 PM
This was my projected All-Region teams...
Quote from: Smitty Oom in the All-American Thread
   Player of the Year   Booker Coplin    Augsburg
   Coach of the Year   John Tauer   St. Thomas
   Freshman of the Year   Anders Nelson   St. Thomas
         
   FIRST TEAM     
   PLAYER   TEAM   YEAR
G   Austin Butler   Whitman   Sr
G   Ryan Garver   Nebraska Wesleyan   Sr
G   Ryan DiCanio   Loras   Sr
F   Daniel Rosenbaum   Pomona Pitzer   Sr
F   Booker Coplin   Augsburg   Jr
         
   SECOND TEAM     
   PLAYER   TEAM   YEAR
G   Kyle Roach   Whitworth   Sr
G   Jaran Sabus   Wartburg   Sr
G   Josh Ruggles    Loras   Sr
F   Tim Wendell   Crown   Jr
F   Cooper Cook   Nebraska Wesleyan   Sr
         
   THIRD TEAM     
   PLAYER   TEAM   YEAR
G   David Stokman   St. John's   Sr
G   Joey Hewitt   Whitman   Sr
G   Ben College   Whitworth   Jr
F   Zach Baines   Occidental   Sr
F   Austin DeWitz   Occidental   Sr

I think they got the first team right. Those 5 were pretty clearly the top choices. Roach and Cooper Cook were locks for the second team and from there I had a tougher time determining a handful of players for those last 3 spots on the second team. No qualms about having Hewitt, Baines and College bumped up a team.

I think the biggest snub was senior Jaran Sabus of Wartburg (https://static.go-knights.com/custompages/201819MBasketball/teamcume.htm). He scored 21 ppg/6 reb/4.4 ast while shooting over 50% from the field while leading a very good Wartburg team that finished 3rd in a tough ARC with a 17-9 record and was flirting with that 8th spot in regional rankings all of Feb. Not only are his counting stats better than Kent Hanson's, but his team was much better.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on March 11, 2019, 09:40:02 PM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 11, 2019, 09:16:44 PM
I dont know if there is anyone here, but I posted this in the MIAC thread. My condolences to Jaran Sabus and the Knights. I think you got snubbed, by whomever dropped the ball in not getting you nominated for All-Region.

Quote from: Smitty Oom on March 11, 2019, 09:09:32 PM
This was my projected All-Region teams...
Quote from: Smitty Oom in the All-American Thread
   Player of the Year   Booker Coplin    Augsburg
   Coach of the Year   John Tauer   St. Thomas
   Freshman of the Year   Anders Nelson   St. Thomas
         
   FIRST TEAM     
   PLAYER   TEAM   YEAR
G   Austin Butler   Whitman   Sr
G   Ryan Garver   Nebraska Wesleyan   Sr
G   Ryan DiCanio   Loras   Sr
F   Daniel Rosenbaum   Pomona Pitzer   Sr
F   Booker Coplin   Augsburg   Jr
         
   SECOND TEAM     
   PLAYER   TEAM   YEAR
G   Kyle Roach   Whitworth   Sr
G   Jaran Sabus   Wartburg   Sr
G   Josh Ruggles    Loras   Sr
F   Tim Wendell   Crown   Jr
F   Cooper Cook   Nebraska Wesleyan   Sr
         
   THIRD TEAM     
   PLAYER   TEAM   YEAR
G   David Stokman   St. John's   Sr
G   Joey Hewitt   Whitman   Sr
G   Ben College   Whitworth   Jr
F   Zach Baines   Occidental   Sr
F   Austin DeWitz   Occidental   Sr

I think they got the first team right. Those 5 were pretty clearly the top choices. Roach and Cooper Cook were locks for the second team and from there I had a tougher time determining a handful of players for those last 3 spots on the second team. No qualms about having Hewitt, Baines and College bumped up a team.

I think the biggest snub was senior Jaran Sabus of Wartburg (https://static.go-knights.com/custompages/201819MBasketball/teamcume.htm). He scored 21 ppg/6 reb/4.4 ast while shooting over 50% from the field while leading a very good Wartburg team that finished 3rd in a tough ARC with a 17-9 record and was flirting with that 8th spot in regional rankings all of Feb. Not only are his counting stats better than Kent Hanson's, but his team was much better.

I agree with you, Jaren Sabus was certainly deserving.  I would also throw in Conor Riordan from Simpson and Nate Schimonitz of NWU as deserving players. I don't know how they compare to the other players, but they were certainly very good.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 12, 2019, 06:23:57 AM

The West was loaded this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 20, 2019, 07:32:02 AM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 12, 2019, 06:23:57 AM

The West was loaded this year.

Will it continue to be loaded? NWU loses Garver and Cook, but do return everyone else. Loras loses their top 3, Wartburg loses Sabus and two other starters. Whitman loses four starters, Hewitt, Butler, Stewart and Jacob-Jones, among others. Whitworth loses three starters.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 20, 2019, 10:20:40 AM
In addition to what Greek said, MIAC should be pretty solid next year:

UST brings back a lot, but do lose some senior starters in Bair and role players defensive stopper GT Johnson and shooter Michael Hannon.
SJU loses Stokman, but return just about everyone else.
Augsburg should be in consideration for regional rankings next year, returning Coplin.

ARC overall gets pretty decimated by graduation. I expect NWU to stay atop the league but probably will not be nearly as dominant as they were these last two years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 20, 2019, 12:19:52 PM
Actually, I think that the Prairie Wolves will be more dominant. Loras and Wartburg lose proportionally more production than NebWes does.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2019, 01:57:56 PM
While Whitman loss four starters, they still have a wealth of experience and talent coming back. Whitworth does as well. The rest of the NWC is improving. I suspect the West - for it's last year of existence in it's current form - will be a bear.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 20, 2019, 06:22:52 PM
Quote from: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on March 20, 2019, 01:57:56 PM
While Whitman loss four starters, they still have a wealth of experience and talent coming back. Whitworth does as well. The rest of the NWC is improving. I suspect the West - for it's last year of existence in it's current form - will be a bear.

I'm not sure the Whitman defense will ever be as good as it was with Butler and Hewitt running interference, but they have plenty of guys coming back who've played big minutes.  I suspect they'll just get 5 or 6 more minutes per game next year.  They've still got two or three guys who've been all-conference first team selections in the past.  Kind of crazy.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on March 21, 2019, 10:56:13 AM
Yes, Loras losses some key pieces in DiCanio, Ruggles, and George.  However, they return McGowen, who was an all-conference performer as a freshman and has started a large majority of games in his 2 years with the Duhawks.  They will also return sophmore Cole Navigato who started late in the season, as well as freshman Jordan Boyd (honorable mention) and Jordan Matthews.  The Duhawks will certainly look different, but I wouldn't anticipate anything less than a top 2 finish in league play and serious contention for another NCAA tournament run. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 29, 2019, 02:19:57 PM
Who are the prime candidates to take over for Garver and Cook in the starting lineup at NWU? Any big transfers coming in?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on March 29, 2019, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 29, 2019, 02:19:57 PM
Who are the prime candidates to take over for Garver and Cook in the starting lineup at NWU? Any big transfers coming in?


Not aware of any transfers at this point. Nate Bahe will probably be one of the new starters. I would say the other one would come from a group of Cordell Gillingham, Dylan Dirks, Austin Hall, or Peyton Priest. This could change depending on any transfers that end up coming in.

NWU will miss Cook and Garver. On a national level, I think NWU was known as an offensive team, and they were, but Cook and Garver will leave NWU as the all time leaders at NWU in 2 defensive statistics. Cook in blocked shots and Garver in steals. Those areas will not be as easy to replace as the scoring will be.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: tomt4525 on April 02, 2019, 08:58:24 AM
6'5" Denmark(WI) G/F, Zane Short, has committed to Loras.  He's a complete player who can score at all 3 levels, might be most comfortable posting up.  Good athlete too, can really get off the floor.  Can be a streaky shooter but I think he will end up being an important player for Loras down the road.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: CHalter33 on April 12, 2019, 01:40:32 PM
With NWU losing Garver and Cook this year, do they have a chance to win another National title without any significant transfers?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on April 22, 2019, 04:59:32 PM
You are talking about losing the MVP's of the ARC the last 3 years.  Replacing these two guys would be tough for anyone.  Fortunately for NWU, they return some heavy hitters that have helped them significantly over the last few years.  Most noteably Nate Schimonitz and Jack Hiller. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on May 23, 2019, 12:48:58 PM
Congratulations to Trevor Johnson on his new job as head coach of Buena Vista. As a former Prairie Wolf, I know he will do a great job. I will be rooting for him except for 2 times each year, and possibly more if they meet in the post season!!!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 23, 2019, 04:06:16 PM
The amount of turnover in the coaching ranks across all sports at Buena Vista is a little alarming. Is something going on there?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2019, 06:16:08 AM

So, what are your thoughts, guys?  Would you be open to St. Thomas joining the crowd?  It is most definitely on an American River.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 24, 2019, 08:54:04 AM
I think the WIAC needs St Thomas more than the ARC would like St Thomas.
Basketball wise St Thomas would be a great addition to the ARC, and would add to an already strong lineup of schools. They are on a river 😅 That could be a fun road trip for everyone. Likewise in other sports they would be at or near the top in all of them and I think the trip to the cities would be enjoyable.
But this is really about football. The WIAC schools struggle to fill 3 non-con games each year. If they bring in St Thomas that schedule making becomes much easier. The WIAC schools open a new recruiting area. The travel isn't outrageous. And competitively they wouldn't be overwhelmed by St Thomas.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on May 24, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
It would be much easier for St. Thomas to join the ARC than the WIAC if you are looking at the name of the conference. The ARC has already changed their name to account for non Iowa schools, where as the WIAC might have to change their name if they added St. Thomas.    ;D


Quote from: doolittledog on May 24, 2019, 08:54:04 AM
I think the WIAC needs St Thomas more than the ARC would like St Thomas.
Basketball wise St Thomas would be a great addition to the ARC, and would add to an already strong lineup of schools. They are on a river 😅 That could be a fun road trip for everyone. Likewise in other sports they would be at or near the top in all of them and I think the trip to the cities would be enjoyable.
But this is really about football. The WIAC schools struggle to fill 3 non-con games each year. If they bring in St Thomas that schedule making becomes much easier. The WIAC schools open a new recruiting area. The travel isn't outrageous. And competitively they wouldn't be overwhelmed by St Thomas.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 24, 2019, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: rlgyank on May 24, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
It would be much easier for St. Thomas to join the ARC than the WIAC if you are looking at the name of the conference. The ARC has already changed their name to account for non Iowa schools, where as the WIAC might have to change their name if they added St. Thomas.    ;D

Not necessarily. The MIAA has two Indiana schools, and it used to have an Ohio school. Yet it's still called the Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association.

The ODAC contains two North Carolina schools, Greensboro and Guilford. Yet it's still named the Old Dominion Athletic Conference; "the Old Dominion" is the nickname of the Commonweath of Virginia.

And the NESCAC (New England Small College Athletic Conference) has a school that isn't in New England, Hamilton College.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 24, 2019, 11:03:25 AM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 24, 2019, 10:49:27 AM
Quote from: rlgyank on May 24, 2019, 10:42:42 AM
It would be much easier for St. Thomas to join the ARC than the WIAC if you are looking at the name of the conference. The ARC has already changed their name to account for non Iowa schools, where as the WIAC might have to change their name if they added St. Thomas.    ;D

Not necessarily. The MIAA has two Indiana schools, and it used to have an Ohio school. Yet it's still called the Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association.

The ODAC contains two North Carolina schools, Greensboro and Guilford. Yet it's still named the Old Dominion Athletic Conference; "the Old Dominion" is the nickname of the Commonweath of Virginia.

And the NESCAC (New England Small College Athletic Conference) has a school that isn't in New England, Hamilton College.

Additionally, many conferences have the word "athletic" in the name when often some of the lower performing members seem challenged to live up to that label.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 24, 2019, 11:14:28 AM
LOL!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on May 24, 2019, 10:30:34 PM
The last one from Ryan ... priceless.

Well done, sir.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on May 25, 2019, 02:15:32 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on May 24, 2019, 08:54:04 AM
I think the WIAC needs St Thomas more than the ARC would like St Thomas.
Basketball wise St Thomas would be a great addition to the ARC, and would add to an already strong lineup of schools. They are on a river 😅 That could be a fun road trip for everyone. Likewise in other sports they would be at or near the top in all of them and I think the trip to the cities would be enjoyable.
But this is really about football. The WIAC schools struggle to fill 3 non-con games each year. If they bring in St Thomas that schedule making becomes much easier. The WIAC schools open a new recruiting area. The travel isn't outrageous. And competitively they wouldn't be overwhelmed by St Thomas.

They've been pretty dominant in basketball too, right? Haven't they won something like 11 of the last 12 regular season titles?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 25, 2019, 09:13:35 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on May 25, 2019, 02:15:32 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on May 24, 2019, 08:54:04 AM
I think the WIAC needs St Thomas more than the ARC would like St Thomas.
Basketball wise St Thomas would be a great addition to the ARC, and would add to an already strong lineup of schools. They are on a river 😅 That could be a fun road trip for everyone. Likewise in other sports they would be at or near the top in all of them and I think the trip to the cities would be enjoyable.
But this is really about football. The WIAC schools struggle to fill 3 non-con games each year. If they bring in St Thomas that schedule making becomes much easier. The WIAC schools open a new recruiting area. The travel isn't outrageous. And competitively they wouldn't be overwhelmed by St Thomas.

They've been pretty dominant in basketball too, right? Haven't they won something like 11 of the last 12 regular season titles?

What I meant is that it has been football that is driving the discussion.  Multiple sources have said it was the 97-0 St Thomas win over the Oles that broke the camels back.  While it is true St Thomas has also been strong in basketball (every sport really) football drove the narrative towards kicking them out of the MIAC.

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on June 10, 2019, 10:21:28 PM
Competition wise, it just doesn't seem like the ARC would do itself any favors by accepting St. Thomas as UST would likely dominate the ARC in the major sports of football and basketball the way it did the MIAC. They might have a tougher time with more schools in the ARC than in the MIAC, but at seasons' ends, the Tommies would still most often occupy the top rung of the standings ladder.

Regarding Buena Vista, the head basketball coach left for the top spot at NAIA Mt. Marty which is neither a bastion of academia nor an athletic powerhouse, with their basketball team averaging 5.8 wins a year over the last 10 years. Is the job at Mt. Marty really that much more attractive than the same spot at BVU? Seems implausible.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on June 10, 2019, 11:40:16 PM
Quote from: AndOne on June 10, 2019, 10:21:28 PM

Regarding Buena Vista, the head basketball coach left for the top spot at NAIA Mt. Marty which is neither a bastion of academia nor an athletic powerhouse, with their basketball team averaging 5.8 wins a year over the last 10 years. Is the job at Mt. Marty really that much more attractive than the same spot at BVU? Seems implausible.

There has been virtually an entire overhaul in the coaching staffs of almost every sport at BVU. I've heard some rumblings BVU is in cost saving mode. Their coaching staffs were already the lowest paid in the conference.  Many of the coaches have left for lateral moves at best, replaced by young coaches getting their first shot at head coaching positions.  Coaches now likely making less than their predecessors.  Saves money for BVU in the short term, but I would suspect makes things hard in recruiting and retaining students.  And that could hurt the bottom line more than the cost savings with lower paid coaching staffs.  Take a look at the all-sports standings for the past few years.  BVU is at the bottom, and often by a sizable margin.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on June 25, 2019, 04:31:38 PM
Zack Jadzak has been hired as the new Head Assistant Coach at Buena Vista. For the past two seasons he has done a great job as the graduate assistant at North Central of the CCIW, from which he recently received his Masters of Leadership Studies.
There is a more detailed release about Zack on the BV web site.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on July 11, 2019, 07:30:28 PM
Congratulations to the teams that received the NABC team academic excellence awards for this year. Those teams are NWU, Coe, Simpson, & Wartburg. Those were the number 1, 3, 4, and 5 teams in the standings, so they got it done both on the court and in the classroom.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on July 18, 2019, 01:36:12 AM
NWU's new President, Darrin Good, who assumed office on July 1st, is a graduate of CCIW member Augustana. Dr. Good comes to Lincoln from Whittier College in California. It appears he may be somewhat of a basketball fan as during his interview and selection process this past winter, he made it a point to take in 2 Plainsmen, oops Prairie Wolves, basketball games in February.
From both an athletic department, and fan standpoint, it's always nice when a University President is supportive of advancing not only the academic mission and footprint of an institution, but it's athletic growth and success as well.  8-)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on August 06, 2019, 05:01:56 PM
Students reporting to campus is right around the corner.  A lot of teams losing key seniors opens seems to leave the conference up for grabs this year.  Were there any teams that traveled out of the country this summer?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on September 13, 2019, 10:14:03 AM
Dunkin,  any early thoughts on specifics?  NWU and Loras lose key pieces.  ARC shaping up to be interesting. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 13, 2019, 10:59:46 AM
Welcome to the board SpartyBlue!

And it would seem we have a UD fan as well...even better  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on September 13, 2019, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on September 13, 2019, 10:59:46 AM
Welcome to the board SpartyBlue!

And it would seem we have a UD fan as well...even better  ;)

Thanks, Doolittle.  Yes, UD fan, should be a team to watch this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on September 27, 2019, 12:29:02 PM
NWU (Garver/Cook) and Loras (DiCAnio/Ruggles/George) not the only teams losing key pieces.  Coe loses Timp/Winker, Wartburg will be without Sabus/Kickbush/Gehling but will welcome back Stahlkin (sp?) with open arms.  It would be hard to argue NWU at the top again to start the year, but think that there will be to many new faces to really get a good projection on the remaining slots. Simpson will be the team to watch, maybe a comfortable top 3 team this year. BV with a different HC for the 3rd year in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 21, 2019, 06:07:21 PM
Preseason Coaches Poll
NWU
Simpson
Loras
Wartburg
Dubuque
Coe
Central
Buena Vista
Luther

After reading the coaches preview, it seems to be an overwhelming concensus that the coaches believe the ARC to be one of the most competitive in the country, and over the last 3 years, I would have to agree. 




Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on October 22, 2019, 02:59:00 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on October 21, 2019, 06:07:21 PM
Preseason Coaches Poll
NWU
Simpson
Loras
Wartburg
Dubuque
Coe
Central
Buena Vista
Luther

After reading the coaches preview, it seems to be an overwhelming concensus that the coaches believe the ARC to be one of the most competitive in the country, and over the last 3 years, I would have to agree.

Should be a dogfight in the ARC this year.  Interesting that Simpson is second--looks like they return top three scorers.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on October 24, 2019, 04:16:34 PM
I think, for a preseason poll, it's pretty accurate.  Simpson/Loras was a toss up to me and maybe Dubuque/Coe.  I'm sure we will all see a lot of new faces this season, should be a fun one.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on October 26, 2019, 09:09:24 AM
My condolences to the BVU community on the passing of Canyon Hopkins. My thoughts and prayers are with you.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on October 29, 2019, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on September 13, 2019, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on September 13, 2019, 10:59:46 AM
Welcome to the board SpartyBlue!

And it would seem we have a UD fan as well...even better  ;)

Thanks, Doolittle.  Yes, UD fan, should be a team to watch this year.

Hey SpartyBlue ... welcome aboard.  I spend most of my time on the football board and just came over to see what was happening here.  Otherwise I would have greeted you sooner.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on October 30, 2019, 11:50:14 AM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on October 29, 2019, 02:40:53 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on September 13, 2019, 04:05:08 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on September 13, 2019, 10:59:46 AM
Welcome to the board SpartyBlue!

And it would seem we have a UD fan as well...even better  ;)

Thanks, Doolittle.  Yes, UD fan, should be a team to watch this year.

Hey SpartyBlue ... welcome aboard.  I spend most of my time on the football board and just came over to see what was happening here.  Otherwise I would have greeted you sooner.

Thanks, DBQ.  UD scrimmaged at Clarke last night, go live 9/9 vs. Finlandia.  Go Sparty!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 04, 2019, 12:40:27 PM
How did UD look?  Any others know of other scrimmages that have taken place?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on November 06, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
Hi all! Excited to get this season started with all of you! In regards to Loras, I know they've played in a couple scrimmages. I've heard some of their young talent has been mighty impressive. Heard one freshman in particular had an incredible, non-D3 like play in one of the scrimmages.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2019, 09:39:15 AM
Quote from: Goldy97 on November 06, 2019, 08:57:10 AM
Heard one freshman in particular had an incredible, non-D3 like play in one of the scrimmages.

And we welcome you, his family member/roommate/alter ego to the boards.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on November 06, 2019, 09:45:27 AM
Haha, I appreciate the warm welcome. ARC will be fun to watch this year!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 06, 2019, 12:24:02 PM
Believe I stumbled across a video of said 'non-D3' play.  Crossed his defender and dunked on two others.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 06, 2019, 12:41:29 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on November 06, 2019, 12:24:02 PM
Believe I stumbled across a video of said 'non-D3' play.  Crossed his defender and dunked on two others.

Share that video!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on November 06, 2019, 01:48:38 PM
Was able to find the video on the Twitter-sphere. That's Duhawk freshman Ocean Johnson with the crossover and big-time slam over a pair of defenders. Lot of exciting youth on the Duhawks after losing the trio of DiCanio, Ruggles, and George. Here's the link to the dunk... https://twitter.com/breakawaybball/status/1191230626516606976?s=21
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 07, 2019, 08:54:06 AM
Nothing like a test on opening night (Fri).

#8 NWU vs #12 St. Johns
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 08, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
Opening weekend with predictions:

10/29 College of Charleston 91 NWU 67

Friday:

Central @ Case Western (Tourney)    CW
St. John's @ NWU (Tourney)    NWU
Concordia-Chicago @ Loras     Loras
BV @ Gustavus    GA
Simpson @ Bethany Lutheran   Simpson

Saturday:

Finlandia @ UD    UD
Grinnell @ Coe    Grinnell
Cornell @ Wartburg    Wartburg
NWU and Central @ TBD

Any thoughts on these matchups?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 08, 2019, 03:01:32 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 08, 2019, 10:24:46 AM
Opening weekend with predictions:

10/29 College of Charleston 91 NWU 67

Friday:

Central @ Case Western (Tourney)    CW
St. John's @ NWU (Tourney)    NWU
Concordia-Chicago @ Loras     Loras
BV @ Gustavus    GA
Simpson @ Bethany Lutheran   Simpson

Saturday:

Finlandia @ UD    UD
Grinnell @ Coe    Grinnell
Cornell @ Wartburg    Wartburg
NWU and Central @ TBD

Any thoughts on these matchups?

Dubuque, with a large group of newcomers, scheduling light to begin the year.  I expect a UD win.  Anxious to see what the new recruits can do.  No idea on the rest of the conference as my viewing has been limited the past few years.  Hope to watch more games this winter. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 08, 2019, 03:28:17 PM
Quote from: Goldy97 on November 06, 2019, 01:48:38 PM
Was able to find the video on the Twitter-sphere. That's Duhawk freshman Ocean Johnson with the crossover and big-time slam over a pair of defenders. Lot of exciting youth on the Duhawks after losing the trio of DiCanio, Ruggles, and George. Here's the link to the dunk... https://twitter.com/breakawaybball/status/1191230626516606976?s=21

Not too shabby from the young Duhawk..

Would love to read something from one of the Prairie Wolves fans about their team heading into the post Garver-Cook era in Lincoln. What does the depth look like this year? Schimonitz will for sure be a player of the year candidate, but will he stay as effecient with the defenses focusing on him and more of a work load?

I know Simpson brings back stud Connor Riordan as well as their other top 3 scorers, but think it will be a solid first test for the Storm., especially on the road. Bethany Lutheran returns 4 of their 5 starters and 4 of their top 5 scorers. Cire Mayfield was one of the most impressive freshman in the entire nation last year by box score. Admittedly did not watch much of him last year but he was a great recruit for BLU, very athletic and good shooter (49% FG and 40% 3PT FG last year, while scoring 20 ppg). They also return Trenton Krueger, a D2 transfer big man, who is a very good complimentary piece to Cire.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on November 08, 2019, 04:07:21 PM
I haven't seen NWU practice or anything, but I don't think their depth will be as good this year, at least at the start of the season. The top 7 will have a lot of prior season minutes under their belts, but after that they will need a couple of less experienced players to step up. I am looking forward to the opening game tonight against St. Johns, it will be a good early season test of where both teams stand.


Quote from: Smitty Oom on November 08, 2019, 03:28:17 PM
Quote from: Goldy97 on November 06, 2019, 01:48:38 PM
Was able to find the video on the Twitter-sphere. That's Duhawk freshman Ocean Johnson with the crossover and big-time slam over a pair of defenders. Lot of exciting youth on the Duhawks after losing the trio of DiCanio, Ruggles, and George. Here's the link to the dunk... https://twitter.com/breakawaybball/status/1191230626516606976?s=21

Not too shabby from the young Duhawk..

Would love to read something from one of the Prairie Wolves fans about their team heading into the post Garver-Cook era in Lincoln. What does the depth look like this year? Schimonitz will for sure be a player of the year candidate, but will he stay as effecient with the defenses focusing on him and more of a work load?

I know Simpson brings back stud Connor Riordan as well as their other top 3 scorers, but think it will be a solid first test for the Storm., especially on the road. Bethany Lutheran returns 4 of their 5 starters and 4 of their top 5 scorers. Cire Mayfield was one of the most impressive freshman in the entire nation last year by box score. Admittedly did not watch much of him last year but he was a great recruit for BLU, very athletic and good shooter (49% FG and 40% 3PT FG last year, while scoring 20 ppg). They also return Trenton Krueger, a D2 transfer big man, who is a very good complimentary piece to Cire.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on November 09, 2019, 09:58:30 AM
Loras got out to a very early 7-0 lead after a Jordan Boyd 3-pointer & dunk and never trailed against Concordia-Chicago last night. A definite new look from the team after the loss of the trio of high scoring seniors, but some young faces definitely stepped up. Soph. Jackson Kolinski didn't miss from the field and had 18 points, and Jr. Rowan McGowen gave his standard 18 points.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2019, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on November 08, 2019, 04:07:21 PM
I haven't seen NWU practice or anything, but I don't think their depth will be as good this year, at least at the start of the season. The top 7 will have a lot of prior season minutes under their belts, but after that they will need a couple of less experienced players to step up. I am looking forward to the opening game tonight against St. Johns, it will be a good early season test of where both teams stand.



They won a national title two years ago playing six guys.  They were a national contender last year playing seven guys.  I don't think "depth" has ever been a real hallmark for NWU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on November 09, 2019, 10:07:25 PM
You are absolutely correct come tournament time, but throughout the year, they played more guys.

Last year for example, Jack Hiller missed 9 complete games, and parts of a few others with injuries, and Nate Schimonitz missed 3 complete games and parts of others with injuries. NWU was undefeated in all of those games. NWU beat Loras by 18 points with both Hiller and Schimonitz not playing. Clay Reimers also only played 21 minutes because of foul trouble. They went to Simpson, the number 4 team in the league, and won by 12. Hiller and Schimonitz again did not play, and Reimers played only 10 minutes because of foul trouble. They were able to do this because the 8th, 9th and 10th players on the bench played well when called upon.

The bench was really shortened in the tournament though.



Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 09, 2019, 01:33:17 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on November 08, 2019, 04:07:21 PM
I haven't seen NWU practice or anything, but I don't think their depth will be as good this year, at least at the start of the season. The top 7 will have a lot of prior season minutes under their belts, but after that they will need a couple of less experienced players to step up. I am looking forward to the opening game tonight against St. Johns, it will be a good early season test of where both teams stand.



They won a national title two years ago playing six guys.  They were a national contender last year playing seven guys.  I don't think "depth" has ever been a real hallmark for NWU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 10, 2019, 04:29:37 PM
To answer a question from way back when, Central appropriately enough played in the Netherlands this summer.

Central loses the first two games of the year in very high scoring affairs. I believe the loss yesterday was 145-140. Wow! The preseason write=up said Spoehr had really worked hard in the off season. His performance in the first two games was fantastic averaging 27 pts. We also have a freshman, Drake Johnson, that scored 16 points last night. His dad played football at Central and if his dad is who I think he is, I look for very good things from him.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 11, 2019, 12:19:16 PM
A good start to the season for the ARC.  Overall the league went 9-3, with 5 teams eclipsing the 100 point mark.  The ARC website schedule had Central winning, but I believe they were beaten by Greenville (at least according to box score). 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 12, 2019, 01:44:57 AM
Yes, Central lost both games by a narrow margin.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 12, 2019, 01:59:07 AM
So I checked out the DIII stats and Central and Coe are tied for 3rd in scoring offense at 117 average. UD follows closely in a 3 way tie for 6th with 112, Loras is 12th at 108 and Simpson is 19th at 102. High scoring start for the ARC. Central averaging 117 over 2 games, all the others are based on one game. Central's coach emphasized that he wanted the team to work hard on defense. Guessing that is still an unmet goal since we lost both games.  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 12, 2019, 10:29:14 AM
Good opening night win for UD over an outclassed Finlandia squad.  Good balanced attack, shot 46.2% from three.

ARC Tuesday night games--

Iowa Wes @ UD  UD
Wartburg @ Grinnell Wartburg
Maranatha @ Luther Luther
BV @ Bethany Lutheran BL
Cornell @ Coe  Coe
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 13, 2019, 09:33:05 AM
BV is the *very early* surprise to the season after beating a Bethany team that upended Simpson last week.  Cornell will be a team to be reckoned with in the Midwest Conference.  They gave Wartburg all they could handle and now beat Coe. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 13, 2019, 02:43:18 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on November 13, 2019, 09:33:05 AM
BV is the *very early* surprise to the season after beating a Bethany team that upended Simpson last week.  Cornell will be a team to be reckoned with in the Midwest Conference.  They gave Wartburg all they could handle and now beat Coe.

Wartburg played 4 new starters. 3 Freshmen played in the first 5 minute.
2 probable starters were out with injury. Moore "lower leg" nagging injury from preseason and Stulken just cleared to resume practice after missing all but a few games last season due to injury/surgery.

Started - Molstead @ PG (Freshman), Touro (26), Roquet (2), Zumbach (26) Smith Drahos (26) - (2018-19 Games played)

Last night WC beat Grinnell @ Grinnell, 92-74. Telling stat. WC 1-2 from 3, GC 9-45.

https://go-knights.net/news/2019/11/12/mens-basketball-mens-hoops-downs-grinnell-on-the-road.aspx?fbclid=IwAR2fym7JZBMY1AqcNGwDYpN1_aQ9ySXbrxCa-IEU4XvR4qlIA1z_vyxotQ4

Cornell could meet up again @ Buzz Levick Tournament this weekend.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 14, 2019, 08:56:33 AM
Might have started 4 new faces, but 3 of them played significantly last year.  They clearly bounced back with Grinnell, a game that is always unorthodox and can be frustrating for freshman to play in.  What happened to Aidan Weber?  Started 19 games as a freshman last year and averaged 5 and 5 for the Knights?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 15, 2019, 08:38:43 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on November 13, 2019, 09:33:05 AM
BV is the *very early* surprise to the season after beating a Bethany team that upended Simpson last week.  Cornell will be a team to be reckoned with in the Midwest Conference.  They gave Wartburg all they could handle and now beat Coe.

Cornell is picked 8th in their preseason poll.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 15, 2019, 10:51:05 AM
Full slate of ARC games--

Friday

Central vs Carroll
Simpson vs. Fontbonne
BV vs. Westminster, MO.
Blackburn @ Loras
Iowa Wesleyan @ Wartburg
Luther @ Redlands

Saturday

Simpson vs. Westminster, MO.
Fontbonne @ BV
Beloit @ Coe
McMurry @ NWU
Concordia, WI. @ Loras
Luther @LaVerne

UD idle until Tuesday @ Edgewood
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 15, 2019, 12:18:20 PM
Those SLIAC games always have a bit of interest for me because I was born down there...I'm a full blood Iowan now 😏
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 15, 2019, 08:54:31 PM
Central men lost to Carroll tonight playing without Spoehr who averaged 27 points in the first two games. It sounds like he is out with an injury, hope it is nothing serious for this young man who got off to a great start this season. Central did not look very focused today for all the points scored in the two prior games. Lots of hurried shots, turnovers, etc. resulting in too many empty possessions. They did not seem like they were playing as a team or running offensive plays. I was excited about their potential after two very close losses, but this was just hard to watch. Then again, I only really caught the second half as there were problems with the video feed. Hopefully Spoehr's injury isn't serious.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Alfredeneumann on November 16, 2019, 04:39:15 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on November 14, 2019, 08:56:33 AM
Might have started 4 new faces, but 3 of them played significantly last year.  They clearly bounced back with Grinnell, a game that is always unorthodox and can be frustrating for freshman to play in.  What happened to Aidan Weber?  Started 19 games as a freshman last year and averaged 5 and 5 for the Knights?
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Apparently Weber decided before the season started he didn't want to play bb. Still taking classes at Wart.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 16, 2019, 05:26:34 PM
Central gets first win today in a landslide beating Illinois Christian 102-67. Wish they had a little more of that offense last night, but Carroll was a far better opponent. Still good to get the first win and to score 102 without Spoehr.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on November 16, 2019, 11:51:36 PM
Loras is now 3-0 after a 20 point victory tonight against Concordia-Wisconsin. Surely a different looking group, but the trio of Boyd, Navigato, and McGowen have been impressive thus far. McGowen had 25 points tonight. An additional positive, none of the above 3 are seniors.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 19, 2019, 02:19:51 PM
Sunday

NWU 88 Hardin-Simmons  81   NWU struggled a bit more here than they should have against what looked to be a fairly average opponent. The St. Thomas game on Saturday will have a lot to say about this group sans Garver.

Drake 98 Simpson 53

Tuesday

UD @ Edgewood
Bethel @ Wartburg
Simpson @ Cornell  Tough one to call based on scattershot early results from both squads.
Coe @ Millikin  MU seeking first win without two best players.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 19, 2019, 02:25:22 PM
Wednesday

Loras @ Auggie  Huge statement win for Duhawks at home last year.  Will be difficult to replicate on the road.
Luther @ Bethany Lutheran  Could be a close one, give slight nod to home team.
Crown @ BV
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2019, 02:36:17 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 19, 2019, 02:25:22 PM
Wednesday

Loras @ Auggie  Huge statement win for Duhawks at home last year.  Will be difficult to replicate on the road.

Augie, not Auggie. "Augie" is Augustana. "Auggie" is Augsburg.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 19, 2019, 02:46:20 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on November 19, 2019, 02:36:17 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 19, 2019, 02:25:22 PM
Wednesday

Loras @ Auggie  Huge statement win for Duhawks at home last year.  Will be difficult to replicate on the road.

Augie, not Auggie. "Augie" is Augustana. "Auggie" is Augsburg.

Loras @ Augie
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 20, 2019, 11:48:12 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 19, 2019, 02:19:51 PM

Tuesday

UD @ Edgewood
Bethel @ Wartburg
Simpson @ Cornell  Tough one to call based on scattershot early results from both squads.
Coe @ Millikin  MU seeking first win without two best players.

UD 67 Edgewood 61  Sparty prevails in first road game.  Sloppy offensive game with lots of fouls.  Win is a win and a week to prepare for SC.
Bethel 73 Wartburg 68  Missed on this one.  Wartburg outplayed badly in the second half.
Simpson 84 Cornell 74 
Coe 77 MU 54  Really missed on this one, ouch.  Quality road win over a CCIW squad.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 20, 2019, 02:30:35 PM
Really looking forward to tuning in for the Loras/Augie game tonight.  Last year, Loras won it at the free throw line with no time remaining on the clock. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 21, 2019, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 19, 2019, 02:25:22 PM
Wednesday

Loras @ Auggie  Huge statement win for Duhawks at home last year.  Will be difficult to replicate on the road.
Luther @ Bethany Lutheran  Could be a close one, give slight nod to home team.
Crown @ BV

Augie 88 Loras 59  Augie runs away early and never looks back
BL 88 Luther 62  Luther shoots 30.3%
BV 93 Crown 59   Somehow Crown put up more points against University of North Dakota than they did BV
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 22, 2019, 10:20:02 AM
Hey SpartyBlue.  I've only watched a few minutes of two UD games.  Has their offense changed?  It just looked like two guys underneath to grab rebounds and dish to the other three guys standing behind the three point line? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 22, 2019, 10:38:50 AM
Predictions (with computer rankings)

Friday

Simpson 62 @ Carroll 84
Coe 81 @ WashU 33

Saturday

Simpson and Coe TBD
Northwestern, MN 93 @ BV 95
Ripon 144 @ Luther 188
St. Thomas 9 @ NWU 2
Loras 11 @ St. Scholastica 229



Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 22, 2019, 10:40:31 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 22, 2019, 10:20:02 AM
Hey SpartyBlue.  I've only watched a few minutes of two UD games.  Has their offense changed?  It just looked like two guys underneath to grab rebounds and dish to the other three guys standing behind the three point line?

Space and motion concepts.  Pretty much scored at will against Finlandia and IWU, IA.  Edgewood was an ugly game all-around, never really got into flow.  Looking for some continuity.  Simpson will tell us a lot more.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 25, 2019, 03:11:37 PM
With conference play starting up this week, a quick glance at what the league looks like right now.

6-0 Buena Vista
3-0 Dubuque
5-1 NWU
4-1 Loras
5-2 Simpson
3-2 Wartburg
2-2 Central
3-3 Coe
3-3 Luther

BV has clearly been the biggest surprise through the non-conference.  Not the most challenging of schedules, but a 92-76 win at Bethany Lutheran is impressive considering Simpson (preseason #2) lost to them 106-102. 

NWU had an "impressive" 78-56 win over St. Johns to start the year, but have stumbled a bit as of late falling to St. Thomas 82-63 and edging UChicago 81-79.

Loras has had its way with lesser opponents and was steam rolled by Augustana. 

Simpson has been up and down in my opinion so far this year.  Putting up 161 against Greenville is impressive, even if it was a system game.

Wartburg clearly missing Sabus/Kickbush/Gehling early on in the season.  I'm sure Peth will have them oiled and ready to roll come the second half of the season.

Coe has gone out and challenged themselves to start the season.  The wins haven't followed, but games against Wash U and Whitworth could pay off in the long run. 

Conference games this week
UD at Simpson
Central at Loras
Coe at BV

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2019, 04:09:43 PM

I think you're just going to see NWU with a lot less margin for error.  They need consistent performances from everyone every night.  Those players are good, of course, but they no longer have three All-Americans to pick up the slack when needed (they just have one - and he can't do everything).
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 25, 2019, 04:33:05 PM
UD 91 @ Simpson 81
Central 219 @ Loras 29
Coe 97 @ BV 36
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: blue_jays on November 25, 2019, 05:47:09 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2019, 04:09:43 PM

I think you're just going to see NWU with a lot less margin for error.  They need consistent performances from everyone every night.  Those players are good, of course, but they no longer have three All-Americans to pick up the slack when needed (they just have one - and he can't do everything).

Nebraska Wesleyan looked super vulnerable this weekend. St. Thomas shot the lights out against that zone and hit 19 threes. With UChicago sticking with them the whole way, they eventually abandoned the 3-2 zone for man-to-man and just barely pulled it out in the final minute. It's a senior heavy team that is relying on their starters to do almost all the lifting. As St. Thomas showed, that zone can be exploited in the corners.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2019, 10:47:50 PM
Quote from: blue_jays on November 25, 2019, 05:47:09 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on November 25, 2019, 04:09:43 PM

I think you're just going to see NWU with a lot less margin for error.  They need consistent performances from everyone every night.  Those players are good, of course, but they no longer have three All-Americans to pick up the slack when needed (they just have one - and he can't do everything).

Nebraska Wesleyan looked super vulnerable this weekend. St. Thomas shot the lights out against that zone and hit 19 threes. With UChicago sticking with them the whole way, they eventually abandoned the 3-2 zone for man-to-man and just barely pulled it out in the final minute. It's a senior heavy team that is relying on their starters to do almost all the lifting. As St. Thomas showed, that zone can be exploited in the corners.

Exactly.  They won the national title because they were able to keep pace with all the threes Oshkosh was hitting against them (a tournament record, by the way) - it's just a superhuman ask for even a very good team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 26, 2019, 06:35:57 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 25, 2019, 04:33:05 PM
UD 91 @ Simpson 81
Central 219 @ Loras 29
Coe 97 @ BV 36

Luther 253 @ Crown 314
Wartburg 80 @ UW Eau Claire 46
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 26, 2019, 12:00:06 PM
St. Thomas might have their number. Sometimes that happens. Also, we have to remember St. Thomas got hammered at Whitworth, while NWU did beat ranked St. John's by 20+ on their home floor.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on November 26, 2019, 02:18:54 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 26, 2019, 12:00:06 PM
St. Thomas might have their number. Sometimes that happens. Also, we have to remember St. Thomas got hammered at Whitworth, while NWU did beat ranked St. John's by 20+ on their home floor.

The NWU/St. Johns game was a neutral court game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 26, 2019, 10:32:07 PM
I had planned on watching my first full UD game of the year.  I ended up talking college choices with my daughter and a friend of hers all the way until there was just 2 minutes and change left in the game. 

Dubuque wins 77-68 @ Simpson
Loras beats Central 96-91
Luther beat Crown 81-83

I'm always happy with an away win in conference play!!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 27, 2019, 07:39:24 AM
UD 77 Simpson 68 

Huge road conference win for UD over a team picked 2nd in the ARC.  Gritty defensive effort neutralized SC's big three. Ragan and Butler combine for 45/20, Butler with 7 blocks.  Back and forth slug fest, Simpson up 12 early, UD up 11, Simpson fought back.  UD answered every run and imposed their will down the stretch.  Free throw shooting is a concern, but that can be shored up.  The top of the ARC looks to be wide open and Sparty is right in the mix.

Loras 96 Central 93

Loras up 26, has to hold off huge second half charge from the Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on November 27, 2019, 08:41:11 AM
I turned the Loras/Central game off at halftime with the Loras up 52-31.  Central scored a blistering 62 points in the 2nd half after just putting up 31 in the 1st, thanks in large part to Adam Flinn, who absolutely took over the 2nd half for the Dutch, pouring in 33 of his 37. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on November 27, 2019, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: rlgyank on November 26, 2019, 02:18:54 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 26, 2019, 12:00:06 PM
St. Thomas might have their number. Sometimes that happens. Also, we have to remember St. Thomas got hammered at Whitworth, while NWU did beat ranked St. John's by 20+ on their home floor.

The NWU/St. Johns game was a neutral court game.

One of St. Johns best players and now leaading scorer, Jubie Alade, was not playing that game. Think he would have been a huge plus both being able to create his own shot and guard some of the NWU stud perimeter players. Not saying SJU would have won with him, but definitely part of the reason it was a bigger differential than expected.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on November 27, 2019, 12:04:04 PM
As was said, Loras/Central was pretty wild last night. Loras got out to as much as a 26 point lead with 13:00 remaining. Adam Flinn was unconscious in the second half. Didn't matter where he was, it was going in. For Loras, junior Rowan McGowen lead the way with 26 points. In the games final moments, Central had a chance to take their first lead, when Loras sophomore Jordan Matthews was able to seal the game with a last moment steal & lay-in.

We're only one game in! This conference should be something.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 27, 2019, 05:43:01 PM
Wish Central would get some wins, but they are competing without an injured starter. They just need to get over the hump.

Everyone have a great Thanksgiving!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 28, 2019, 07:46:48 AM
Friday

Ozarks 304 @ NWU 10
Willamette 296 vs. BV 35

Saturday

Ozarks 304 vs. BV 35
Willamatte 296 @ NWU 10
St. Mary's, MN 187 @ Luther 223
Millikin @ UD
Gustavus Adolphus 221 @ Central  202
Wartburg 96 @ UW-LaCrosse 12
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 01, 2019, 06:59:05 AM
UD 100 Millikin 85--Quality win for the Spartans for several reasons.  CCIW opponent Millikin is 1-6, but back at full strength last night with the addition of their best player, Zach Fisher.  Big Blue also has to be one of the bigger teams in Division 3: 6' 9", 6' 9", 6' 9", 6' 7", 6' 7", 6' 7", 6' 7", 6' 6".   Torrid pace for both teams early, 50-49 at the half, Millikin shot the lights out from mid-range.  UD came out blistering in the second, opened up a 15 point lead by the 14 minute mark, cruised the rest of the way.

PG Mitch Burger had a monster game with 33 points on 11-14, 5-7 from three.  He is very, very quick off the dribble, can finish, and is willing to kick to shooters.  This team has three point shooters, really about ten of them are threats from beyond the arc, shot 57.7% in this game.  Big man Avery Butler is rapidly improving, another double double with 18/13.  This is a fun team to watch, lots of scoring threats from all over the floor.  There are some defensive thing to clean up, primarily rotational continuity and communication, but overall very solid.

Beating Simpson and now Millikin sets up a very interesting matchup vs. NWU in Dubuque next Saturday.  This is a game Dubuque can stay in and possibly win. 

BV 96 Willamette 73
NWU 95 Ozarks 70

BV 100 Ozarks 84
NWU 101 Willamette 84

BV 8-0 @ NWU 7-1 is a huge game on 12/4. We will see if BV is for real.

Central 89 Gustavus Adolphus 79 OT
UW-LaCrosse 74 Wartburg 65
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 03, 2019, 08:47:58 PM
Central finally got another win Saturday against Gustavus in OT. They played poorly in the first half, no defense, terrible ball handling, little rebounding and very mediocre free throw shooting. Then they played a decent second half and a great OT. Just like Flinn got hot in the second half at Loras, Moody got hot in the second half with GAU. Now if the would just play well for an entire game and have more than one person who can score well on a given night. Like tomorrow against Wartburg would be nice.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 04, 2019, 10:40:06 AM
Wednesday

Simpson 99 @ Coe 84  Both teams hungry for a win following layoffs after losses.  Should be close, but edge to the more talented squad.

Wartburg 100 @ Central 177

BV 33 @ NWU 11  NWU very difficult to beat at home, holds 145-64 free throw attempt advantage on home court. BV 8-0 against generally unimpressive opposition tries to prove they actually belong at top of conference.

Loras 28 @ Luther 243
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 04, 2019, 10:49:33 PM
Congratulations to the Dutch, beating Wartburg 92-79 tonight. Nice game for the Dutch who played well the entire game, even going without Moody who was injured in the first half. Central led from start to finish in this one with as much as a 28 point lead in the second half. I was hard on them for their first half play on Saturday, tonight their ball handling and turnovers were much improved, free throw shooting was better, rebounding was somewhat better. Great job of playing well the entire game. Sure would like to get Spoehr back now that Moody is out for awhile. Hopefully they will both be back after Christmas. Nice job by the freshmen who played tonight. Flinn was hot again tonight. Always fun to beat Wartburg.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 05, 2019, 10:52:53 AM
Simpson 71 Coe 58  Horrific (3-17) three point shooting on their own floor does in Coe

Central 92 Wartburg 79

Loras 66 Luther 58  Luther able to cut the lead to 4 with under two minutes to play, but Loras closes out as expected.  Two straight games where the Duhawks have had to weather second half surges.

NWU 78 BVU 65  BV was in this game at halftime and early in second, but NWU took over put up a double digit gap for most of the second half.  Another sizable free throw attempt differential for the Prairie Wolves, 26-7 (25-26 vs. 4-7).  As expected, NWU is extremely calculating and efficient at all offensive levels, and when they are able to get to the line so much they are very difficult to overcome.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 06, 2019, 11:18:17 AM
Saturday, 12/7

NWU 8 @ UD 56   Should be a good one.  UD shooting the three at 42% as a team so far this season.  If they can continue that percentage in their gym, they should be in this game.

Loras 28 @ Simpson 78  I think this will be a dogfight that could go either way.  The UD loss at home was bad for Simpson and they will not want to drop another home conference game.  Loras probably more talented overall, but Simpson battling for ARC position knowing they don't play another conference game for a month.  Could go down to the wire.

Luther 240 @ Coe 119  Luther doesn't have a quality win, coming off predicable mashing by UNI and home loss to Loras.  Coe has lost three straight to good opposition, should roll here.

Wartburg 128 @ BV 39  BV proved they're a contender with respectable showing at NWU.  Should win this easily.

Bethany Lutheran 150 @ Central 140   BL continues its Tour de ARC.  Close to a pick em', will go with the home team with the slightly better resume.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on December 06, 2019, 11:05:45 PM
Thanks for the posts, Sparty!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 07, 2019, 11:02:52 AM
I'll be watching my son in his middle school honor band concert today, so I'll be relying on Sparty to keep me updated on the big game this evening in Stoltz. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on December 07, 2019, 08:22:26 PM
Loras picks up a gutsy win at Simpson by 4. I believe the Duhawks held as much as a 14 point lead on multiple occasions, but allowed the Storm back in it to make it interesting. Made free throws down the stretch to close it out. Loras was led by sophomores Jordan Matthews and Jordan Boyd, who contributed 21 & 20 points, respectively. Week off now for the Duhawks before they head to Trine for a pair of non-conference games.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 07, 2019, 08:40:31 PM
Central over Bethany Lutheran 90-89. Nice to get a win over a team that beat us last year with two of our starters out with injuries.  Central played pretty well the whole game. Each game a different player seems to be stepping up. Mauck had a real good game tonight. Ashford has been playing great defense the games I have seen. Flinn has stepped up to the scoring challenge and freshmen Johnson and Rodgers have been playing well. Good job Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 09, 2019, 10:00:49 AM
NWU 88 UD 63  Breaking News:  NWU is really, really good at what they do.  38-30 at the half, Schimonitz came out in the second half and took over. UD makes 14 threes and still loses by 25.  Key stat:  Points off turnovers, 32-6 NWU.  The 3-2 zone is a tough nut to crack. 

Loras 82 Simpson 78  Huge road win for Loras

Coe 84 Luther 65

BV 89 Wartburg 75

Central 90 BL 89

Early conference returns are in.  As I see it, several tiers are starting to form. 

Tier One:  NWU  At the top until someone proves otherwise

Tier Two: Loras (7-1, 3-0)  Winning when they need to, but not the scary level they were last year with Ruggles and Dicanio.  BV  (9-1, 1-1) Hot start and competitive game with NWU shows they belong here. 

Tier Three: UD (5-1, 1-1)  At the top of this tier based on road win at Simpson.   Central (4-4, 1-1) Some close losses to good teams and took Loras to the brink on the road. Playing with some early season injuries that could change things for them going forward.  Simpson (6-2, 1-2)  Surprisingly slow start for team picked to finish second in ARC.  Two early home defeats means they have work to do in picking off some conference wins on the road.  Relying on three players is difficult, not a lot of depth.

Tier Four:  Coe (4-4, 1-1)  A bit of a question mark team.  Roller coaster start against some really good opposition.  Wartburg (4-5, 0-2)   Two of their wins over 2-5 Cornell, lost five straight.   Luther 4-6, 0-2  Lost five of last six, only one game in next month leading into conference play won't help them regain lost momentum.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 09, 2019, 02:45:27 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on December 09, 2019, 10:00:49 AM
NWU 88 UD 63  Breaking News:  NWU is really, really good at what they do.  38-30 at the half, Schimonitz came out in the second half and took over. UD makes 14 threes and still loses by 25.  Key stat:  Points off turnovers, 32-6 NWU.  The 3-2 zone is a tough nut to crack. 

Loras 82 Simpson 78  Huge road win for Loras

Coe 84 Luther 65

BV 89 Wartburg 75

Central 90 BL 89

Early conference returns are in.  As I see it, several tiers are starting to form. 

Tier One:  NWU  At the top until someone proves otherwise

Tier Two: Loras (7-1, 3-0)  Winning when they need to, but not the scary level they were last year with Ruggles and Dicanio.  BV  (9-1, 1-1) Hot start and competitive game with NWU shows they belong here. 

Tier Three: UD (5-1, 1-1)  At the top of this tier based on road win at Simpson.   Central (4-4, 1-1) Some close losses to good teams and took Loras to the brink on the road. Playing with some early season injuries that could change things for them going forward.  Simpson (6-2, 1-2)  Surprisingly slow start for team picked to finish second in ARC.  Two early home defeats means they have work to do in picking off some conference wins on the road.  Relying on three players is difficult, not a lot of depth.

Tier Four:  Coe (4-4, 1-1)  A bit of a question mark team.  Roller coaster start against some really good opposition.  Wartburg (4-5, 0-2)   Two of their wins over 2-5 Cornell, lost five straight.   Luther 4-6, 0-2  Lost five of last six, only one game in next month leading into conference play won't help them regain lost momentum.

As an addendum, the computer tells us teams are rated as follows:

6. NWU
23. Loras
30. BV
75. UD
97. Simpson
125. Coe
140. Central
154. Wartburg
283. Luther

(out of 426)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on December 12, 2019, 03:48:19 PM
Of all the games between now and Christmas, only 2 have any kind of viewing appeal.  NWU at River Falls and Loras v. Trine. Other than those, I feel that the ARC will handle their business heading into the New Year.

Can we just skip ahead to conference play!?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 16, 2019, 10:06:26 PM
Dubuque with a 98-90 win over Alma. 

Who can tell me about Alma?  Great win?  Good win? Eh, a win?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 16, 2019, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 16, 2019, 10:06:26 PM
Dubuque with a 98-90 win over Alma. 

Who can tell me about Alma?  Great win?  Good win? Eh, a win?

Good team.  They've played one of the toughest schedules in the country so far.  I was looking at this game as a bellwether for both teams.  Good win for Dubuque, for sure.  They jump to #2 in the ARC in my mind with this one.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on December 16, 2019, 11:30:13 PM
I guess NWU better not lose anymore, or they will drop completely out of the rankings. They drop 2 spots after winning their only game and are passed by 2 teams that did not even play. Sheesh.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 16, 2019, 11:38:03 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on December 16, 2019, 11:30:13 PM
I guess NWU better not lose anymore, or they will drop completely out of the rankings. They drop 2 spots after winning their only game and are passed by 2 teams that did not even play. Sheesh.

They gained points overall, though.  Generally the voters are consolidating their Top 10.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 17, 2019, 12:30:19 PM
Quote from: rlgyank on December 16, 2019, 11:30:13 PM
I guess NWU better not lose anymore, or they will drop completely out of the rankings. They drop 2 spots after winning their only game and are passed by 2 teams that did not even play. Sheesh.

Felt like we were careful to point out last week that teams were in clusters in the Top 25.

When you have three teams packed this closely together, you simply have to suspect there will be some movement.

6   Nebraska Wesleyan   9-1   467
7   Marietta   6-0   466
8   Randolph-Macon   9-0   464
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on December 17, 2019, 01:56:22 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 16, 2019, 10:18:59 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 16, 2019, 10:06:26 PM
Dubuque with a 98-90 win over Alma. 

Who can tell me about Alma?  Great win?  Good win? Eh, a win?

Good team.  They've played one of the toughest schedules in the country so far.  I was looking at this game as a bellwether for both teams.  Good win for Dubuque, for sure.  They jump to #2 in the ARC in my mind with this one.

#2 in the ARC??  4 of their 6 wins are over Finlandia, Iowa Wesleyan, Edgewood and Milikin.  Simpson is always a challenging place to play, so to come out with a win their was certainly a positive.  I just don't know that wins over the previously mentioned 4 justify being #2 in the league. 

I think UD/BV are exceeding 'outside' expectations...Simpson and Wartburg, on the other hand, are on the other side of that.  Still think NWU and Loras sit at the top.  UD/BV not far behind.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on December 22, 2019, 07:02:01 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 16, 2019, 10:06:26 PM
Dubuque with a 98-90 win over Alma. 

Who can tell me about Alma?  Great win?  Good win? Eh, a win?

Alma is 5-5 up to winter break.  I can't tell if they have any quality wins, but the like the IIAC/ARC, anything can happen with MIAA teams.  They face Finlandia in Hancock on Jan. 4 ... but what that will tell us no one knows.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on January 03, 2020, 08:37:59 PM
#8 Nebraska Wesleyan at Loras tomorrow afternoon. Hopefully we're in for a good one, as the Duhawks have knocked off the Prairie Wolves each of the last two seasons in Dubuque. It'll be a much more senior lead NWU team against a younger Duhawk squad. Always exciting between these two.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 08, 2020, 08:53:54 AM
Intriguing slate of games across the board tonight

Simpson at NWU
Central at Luther
Coe at UD
BV at Loras

Current Standings
NWU (#10) 4-0
Loras (RV) 3-1
Coe 3-1
BV 2-2
UD 1-2
Simpson 1-2
Central 1-2
Wartburg 1-3
Luther 0-3
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 09, 2020, 08:45:35 AM
BVU comes back from 23 down in the 1st half to win at Loras in OT

https://bvuathletics.com/news/2020/1/8/mens-basketball-sesma-hits-game-winner-as-beavers-post-huge-comeback-win-in-ot.aspx (https://bvuathletics.com/news/2020/1/8/mens-basketball-sesma-hits-game-winner-as-beavers-post-huge-comeback-win-in-ot.aspx)

Luther snaps a 5 game losing streak with a 2 point home win over Central

https://www.luther.edu/sports/men/basketball/schedule/?event_id=868024&date=2020-01-08 (https://www.luther.edu/sports/men/basketball/schedule/?event_id=868024&date=2020-01-08)

Dubuque with the win over Coe.  62% from the field and 54% from 3 is a good recipe for success

https://www.dbq.edu/NewsandEvents/NewsArchive/2019-20/Mens-Basketball-Hold-Home-Court-Victory-Over-Kohawks.cfm (https://www.dbq.edu/NewsandEvents/NewsArchive/2019-20/Mens-Basketball-Hold-Home-Court-Victory-Over-Kohawks.cfm)

NWU handles Simpson

https://nwusports.com/news/2020/1/8/mens-basketball-10th-ranke-prairied-wolves-make-triumphant-return-home.aspx (https://nwusports.com/news/2020/1/8/mens-basketball-10th-ranke-prairied-wolves-make-triumphant-return-home.aspx)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 09, 2020, 04:48:50 PM
Big win for Buena Vista over Loras last night in the current battle for 2nd place. Loras has now lost 2 in a row to NWU and BV.
Perhaps the recruiting service, otherwise known as Loras' minor league Triple A affiliate team, that somehow seems to channel such a healthy percentage of their charges to the Duhawks, needs to send up a few more diaper dandies.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 12, 2020, 10:36:17 PM
Yikes. A 3rd loss in a row for Loras.
The volume of requests for aid from the recruiting service that seems so tightly associated with the Duhawks must be on the uptick recently.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 13, 2020, 04:37:24 PM
You don't always have to win every game. You just have to win the right ones.

Loras with a much needed bye on Wednesday before a matchup with UD.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 13, 2020, 10:08:35 PM
Word on the street is that Loras 6-6 F Jordan Boyd (12.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg) is out indefinitely.  Maybe gone, not sure.  Big loss. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Titan Q on January 13, 2020, 10:19:16 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on January 13, 2020, 10:08:35 PM
Word on the street is that Loras 6-6 F Jordan Boyd (12.3 ppg, 6.0 rpg) is out indefinitely.  Maybe gone, not sure.  Big loss.

Got confirmation he is officially gone.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 16, 2020, 04:22:10 PM
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Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 17, 2020, 10:31:36 AM
Dubuque (124) @ Loras (104) in Key City Clash. 

Two teams separated by a mile with identical records of 10-5, 3-3.  Loras has lost three straight and is desperate for a win, almost a must have on their home court.  UD has yo-yo'd up and down in conference play, lost at Wartburg without starting point guard Mitch Burger and a good BV team at home, beat Coe and then Central in a game without stater Avery Butler. 

This could very likely be a close battle.  If Jordan Boyd is out as stated above that might really change game plans.  UD can be a dangerous offensive team, 2nd in ARC in made threes, 3rd in three percentage at 37.7 vs. Loras 32.7.  Both teams aren't afraid to gun and do turn it over at an above average rate.  This is a very close one to call on paper, Loras will have the obvious home court advantage. Thoughts?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 17, 2020, 10:42:47 AM
ARC is heating up. Current standings:

NWU 7-0
BV 5-2
UD 3-3
Wartburg 3-3
Loras 3-3
Coe 3-3
Simpson 2-4
Luther 1-5
Central 1-5

NWU and BV have separated themselves a bit, but next five will battle it out for conference tourney spot and home court.  Every game matters!

Saturday

NWU  13 @ Central 305  Luther gave NWU a bit of a battle, so never know. Rough and rugged Central squad simply outclassed in this one

Wartburg 167 @ Coe 132  Pick em' type game, logic might say take home team, but Wartburg on a three game roll and I think the slightly better team.

Simpson  164  @ Luther 329  Simpson has been the surprise underwhelming team in the ARC so far coming in with high preseason aspirations.  Yet, despite very uneven play they are still in the thick of the conference race. 

Dubuque @ Loras  This one should be a dogfight.  Will go with heart here, UD gets perimeter game going early, steps up defensively and steals a huge road win. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 17, 2020, 01:46:40 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on January 17, 2020, 10:31:36 AM
Dubuque (124) @ Loras (104) in Key City Clash. 

Two teams separated by a mile with identical records of 10-5, 3-3.  Loras has lost three straight and is desperate for a win, almost a must have on their home court.  UD has yo-yo'd up and down in conference play, lost at Wartburg without starting point guard Mitch Burger and a good BV team at home, beat Coe and then Central in a game without stater Avery Butler. 

This could very likely be a close battle.  If Jordan Boyd is out as stated above that might really change game plans.  UD can be a dangerous offensive team, 2nd in ARC in made threes, 3rd in three percentage at 37.7 vs. Loras 32.7.  Both teams aren't afraid to gun and do turn it over at an above average rate.  This is a very close one to call on paper, Loras will have the obvious home court advantage. Thoughts?

I'm glad the distance between these schools is 1 mile.  Games should go on as planned despite the heavy snow we are just starting to get (I'm 90 miles west of Dubuque) 

Loras will definitely come into the game with something to prove after losing 3 straight.  Home court advantage will favor the Duhawks.  My blue tinted glasses tell me the Spartans pick up the win.  I'll be watching from the comforts of my living room!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 20, 2020, 11:43:09 AM
Was able to sneak over to the game in Dubuque Saturday.  Loras was without Boyd while Dubuque was without Butler.  A close battle from beginning to end.  As Sparty pointed out, both teams have turned it over at a high clip, however, I thought both teams took great care of the ball.  Loras had 10 TO to UD's 6.  Loras secured the win on a dump off pass from JT Ford to Jackson Kolinski, who had a huge game for the Duhawks.  With 5.5 left in the game, Dubuque's Mitch Burger pushed the ball down the floor and had a good look that just missed long.

Don't know if anyone else caught the score, but Luther defeated Simpson 83-73 yesterday.  Simpson struggled from distance, going just 6-27.

Wednesday
Dubuque at Luther
BV at Central
Wartburg at Simpson
Loras at Coe
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 20, 2020, 12:19:46 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on January 20, 2020, 11:43:09 AM
Was able to sneak over to the game in Dubuque Saturday.  Loras was without Boyd while Dubuque was without Butler.  A close battle from beginning to end.  As Sparty pointed out, both teams have turned it over at a high clip, however, I thought both teams took great care of the ball.  Loras had 10 TO to UD's 6.  Loras secured the win on a dump off pass from JT Ford to Jackson Kolinski, who had a huge game for the Duhawks.  With 5.5 left in the game, Dubuque's Mitch Burger pushed the ball down the floor and had a good look that just missed long.

Don't know if anyone else caught the score, but Luther defeated Simpson 83-73 yesterday.  Simpson struggled from distance, going just 6-27.

Wednesday
Dubuque at Luther
BV at Central
Wartburg at Simpson
Loras at Coe

Loras 88 UD 87

Defensive breakdown with :05 left led to uncontested layup.  I thought this was a very tightly called game.  Free throws mattered, Loras was +11.  Key stat: Loras 33/38, UD 22/27 from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 21, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
What's wrong with Simpson? Were they just completely overrated in the preseason. They were picked #2 in the ARC too, right? I took them in the Top 25 pool and they haven't sniffed the Top 25. Tied for 7th at 2-5??
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 22, 2020, 12:40:10 PM
Weekend Results

NWU 115 Central 96
Coe 94 Wartburg 92 OT
Loras 88 UD 87
Luther 83 Simpson 73  Ouch

Wednesday Games

UD 135 @ Luther 288  Luther coming off big win over Simpson.  This one could be close

Wartburg 175  @ Simpson 194  Simpson in free fall mode, difficult to pick them here. 

BV 41 @ Central 308

Loras 102 @ Coe 123  Close call.  Winner of this moves into the top three spots in the conference race.

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 22, 2020, 02:08:09 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on January 21, 2020, 11:14:47 AM
What's wrong with Simpson? Were they just completely overrated in the preseason. They were picked #2 in the ARC too, right? I took them in the Top 25 pool and they haven't sniffed the Top 25. Tied for 7th at 2-5??

I don't think they were completely overrated in the preseason.  Sitting at 2-5 is a pretty big shock though.  I had them at 3-4 range in preseason, but I also didn't have BV in the top 6, and they are looking like a Pool C bid right now.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 23, 2020, 10:25:10 AM
Wednesday Results

UD 76 Luther 69  UD overcomes halftime deficit for big road win.  PG Mitch Burger was the catalyst with 29.

Simpson 71 Wartburg 65  Simpson down 12 at half wins turnover battle in the second half to win a game they had to have.

BV 90 Central 75

Coe 81 Loras 74  Coe defends home court and moves to five conference wins.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 23, 2020, 03:56:08 PM
First round of ARC play is complete. (Preseason Proj.)

8-0 NWU (1)
6-2 BVU (8)
5-3 Coe (6)
4-4 UD (5)
4-4 Loras (3)
3-5 Simpson (2)
3-5 Wartburg (4)
2-6 Luther (9)
1-7 Central (7)

Schimonitz is clearly the MVP of the league to this point. Averaging a league high 27 pts/gm (63% in league play) to go along with nearly 5 asst.

Saturday's Slate
Simpson at UD
Central at Coe
Luther at Loras
Wartburg at NWU
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 24, 2020, 12:27:01 AM
Another loss for Loras. The 4th in the last 5 games. Likely burning up the lines to the recruiting service that points such a high number of their charges toward the Duhawk campus, and begging for an extra allotment of young horses  ;)  next season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: AndOne on January 24, 2020, 12:27:01 AM
Another loss for Loras. The 4th in the last 5 games. Likely burning up the lines to the recruiting service that points such a high number of their charges toward the Duhawk campus, and begging for an extra allotment of young horses  ;)  next season.

Speaking of horses ...

Quote from: AndOne on January 12, 2020, 10:36:17 PM
Yikes. A 3rd loss in a row for Loras.
The volume of requests for aid from the recruiting service that seems so tightly associated with the Duhawks must be on the uptick recently.  :o

Quote from: AndOne on January 09, 2020, 04:48:50 PM
Big win for Buena Vista over Loras last night in the current battle for 2nd place. Loras has now lost 2 in a row to NWU and BV.
Perhaps the recruiting service, otherwise known as Loras' minor league Triple A affiliate team, that somehow seems to channel such a healthy percentage of their charges to the Duhawks, needs to send up a few more diaper dandies.

... how long do you plan to ride this particular hobby horse, Mark?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 24, 2020, 12:36:54 PM
Saturday in the ARC

Simpson 176 @ UD 123  Pick em'

Central 307 @ Coe 114  Central has lost 8 in a row

Luther 295 @ Loras 107  Loras gets back in win column at home

Wartburg 189 @  NWU 11  Prairie Wolves easily keep rolling
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on January 24, 2020, 01:03:21 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2020, 10:51:57 AM
Quote from: AndOne on January 24, 2020, 12:27:01 AM
Another loss for Loras. The 4th in the last 5 games. Likely burning up the lines to the recruiting service that points such a high number of their charges toward the Duhawk campus, and begging for an extra allotment of young horses  ;)  next season.

Speaking of horses ...

Quote from: AndOne on January 12, 2020, 10:36:17 PM
Yikes. A 3rd loss in a row for Loras.
The volume of requests for aid from the recruiting service that seems so tightly associated with the Duhawks must be on the uptick recently.  :o

Quote from: AndOne on January 09, 2020, 04:48:50 PM
Big win for Buena Vista over Loras last night in the current battle for 2nd place. Loras has now lost 2 in a row to NWU and BV.
Perhaps the recruiting service, otherwise known as Loras' minor league Triple A affiliate team, that somehow seems to channel such a healthy percentage of their charges to the Duhawks, needs to send up a few more diaper dandies.

... how long do you plan to ride this particular hobby horse, Mark?

Sometimes it takes a bit of repetition to hammer home a point.
The horse is probably ready to be put out to pasture. BUT, if the shoe fits, wear it!  :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2020, 03:04:13 PM
Frankly, I think that you're making a whole lot of fuss about nothing.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 24, 2020, 03:21:33 PM
I don't even know what I'm supposed to care about there. Who cares?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on January 24, 2020, 03:38:40 PM
Exactly. Lots of D3 coaches in lots of sports employ scouting services as a recruiting aid. Some of them are running very successful programs, too. What difference does it make? The coach still has to establish contact with the prospect, make his or her sales pitch, entice a visit, and close the deal. Scouting services are just one more tool in the recruiting toolbox for finding players, that's all.

Honestly, Mark, this comes off as sour grapes on your part. My first thought is that you're either sore about Chris Martin beating out Todd Raridon for some west suburban prospect or two, or that this is about Loras ending North Central's season last year in the airplane hangar in the tourney's first weekend. Why else would anybody possibly care about how Chris Martin discovers prospects?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 27, 2020, 09:29:43 AM
9-0 NWU
6-2 BV
6-3 Coe
5-4 Loras
5-4 UD
3-6 Simpson
3-6 Wartburg
2-7 Luther
1-8 Central

Wednesday
Luther at Simpson
NWU at BV
Loras at Central
Coe at Wartburg

Saturday
Central at Wartburg
BV at Luther
UD at NWU
Simpson at Loras

Clearly the game of the week will be held Wednesday night when NWU travels to BV. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 27, 2020, 10:33:17 AM
Saturday Results

UD 93 Simpson 83 

UD sweeps season series from the Storm, nice win in terms of potential conference tournament impacts.  UD has a lot of players who can make shots, 10 players have hit 10 or more three pointers.  Coach Sieverding runs a deep rotation.  Advantage is this team can be difficult to match up with for most ARC teams, yet at times there is some disorganization on the defensive end and less continuity then there might be offensively.  UD is also young and has been playing without senior center Avery Butler.  At 5-4 and a defensive stop against Loras away from 6-3, UD is positioned to make a stretch run.  The question is, can they level up and play with NWU and BV.  Simpson drops to 3-6.  Riordan had a nice game, but a three man team needs all three players to play well.  Wagner was ineffective and Reiter was negated and got into foul trouble.  It will be an uphill battle for the Storm to claw back into contention. 

Coe 84 Central 69  All five starters for Coe in double figures.  Central's Mauck and Flinn combine for 43, not much else happening for the Dutch.

Loras 87 Luther 46

NWU 95 Wartburg 64  Ho hum.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 28, 2020, 09:21:39 AM
Wednesday Games

Luther 305 @ Simpson 183 

Loras 98 @ Central 317 

Coe 105 @ Wartburg 187  Rematch of overtime game 10 days ago.  Really a pick em'.  Wartburg desperately needs this after dropping three straight.

NWU 9 @ BV 35  Game of the Week.  Just can't pick against the juggernaut that is NWU at this point.  Schimonitz has to be right at the top of national POY consideration.  This team makes it look so easy.  BV was hanging around into the second half of the first match up, but you need 40 perfect minutes to knock off the Wolves.  Five scoring threats and that infuriatingly frustrating 3-2 zone won't be cracked here.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 30, 2020, 09:19:24 AM
A huge 2nd half for Coe.  Trailing by 3 at the half, Coe used a 17-2 run from the 15 - 10 minute mark and held the Knights to just 12 points the remainder of the half.  Coe now sits in sole possession of the 2-seed with NWU coming up next Wednesday.

BV lead NWU at the halfway point, but much like Coe, NWU put the hammer down in the second half and walked away with 97-80 win. Reimers was 11-12 from the field for 26 points and 10 boards, while Schimonitz tallied 19 and 12 assists.

Current Standings
10-0 NWU
7-3 Coe
6-3 BV
6-4 Loras
5-4 UD
4-6 Simpson
3-7 Wartburg
2-8 Luther
1-9 Central
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 30, 2020, 10:57:16 AM
Wednesday Results

NWU 97 BV 80  As noted, one point BV lead at the half, NWU responds by shooting 61% and making nine threes in the second half

Coe 79 Wartburg 63  Two teams trending in different directions, fourth straight loss for Wartburg

Loras 86 Central 76  Very close box score, all five Central starters in double figures to no avail.  Turnover and three point make battles apparent difference for the Duhawks

Simpson 88 Luther 57  Storm avenge horrible 10 point loss 10 days ago in Decorah
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 30, 2020, 12:17:27 PM
I flipped between the BVU/NWU and Central/Loras games during the 2nd half of those games.  NWU is the clear leader.  Teams might be able to hang with them for awhile, but I think NWU has an answer for anything any other school in the ARC has for them this year.  I kind of feel for Central.  They are better than their 1-9 conference record indicates.  The Dutch gave Loras all they could handle.  It will be interesting to see how the 2-6 seeds play out over the next few weeks. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on January 31, 2020, 10:06:23 AM
I would agree.  2-6 is going to be battle.  NWU has the #1 seed on lock.  Coe has a tough schedule down the stretch.  NWU at home, then travel to Loras and Simpson, home with BV.

I'm thinking seeds will end
1-NWU
2-BV
3-Coe
4-Loras
5-Simpson
6-UD
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 31, 2020, 11:08:51 AM
Saturday Around the ARC

Simpson 178 @ Loras 98  Simpson hasn't shown the ability to beat good teams.  UD handled them relatively easily twice and Storm lost by four at home to Loras.  Wagner and Reiter have under performed, and don't see that changing here.

Central 321 @ Wartburg 206  Must win for Wartburg.  Central is dangerous, but all but mathematically out of postseason contention.

BV 44 @ Luther 316

UD 113 @ NWU 8   NWU is an efficient machine humming along. Those five seniors can all score at any time and they run their Princeton point offense with lethal precision.  Have to hope for a cold shooting game and do not give second chance/extra possession buckets.  UW-River Falls game is the blueprint.  Obviously a tall task, but UD does shoot the three (20th in nation for made threes per game) so has an outside chance. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 31, 2020, 11:14:50 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on January 31, 2020, 10:06:23 AM
I would agree.  2-6 is going to be battle.  NWU has the #1 seed on lock.  Coe has a tough schedule down the stretch.  NWU at home, then travel to Loras and Simpson, home with BV.

I'm thinking seeds will end
1-NWU
2-BV
3-Coe
4-Loras
5-Simpson
6-UD

1. NWU
2. BV
3. Loras/UD
4. UD/Loras
5. Coe
6. Simpson
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 03, 2020, 09:08:50 AM
Luther with the stunner over BV this weekend.  The game was decided at the free throw line.  Both teams with nearly identical stat lines.  11/24 from 3 and both made 28 shots for the game. 

Things have certainly tightened up for seedings. 

11-0 NWU (at Coe, at Luther, Central, at Simpson, Loras)
7-3 Coe (NWU, at Loras, at Simpson, BV, UD, at Luther)
7-4 Loras (at BV, Coe, at UD, Wartburg, at NWU)
6-4 BV (Loras, UD, at Wartburg, at Coe, Central, at Simpson)
5-5 UD (at Central, at BV, Loras, Luther, at Coe, Wartburg)
4-7 Simpson (at Central, Coe, at Wartburg, NWU, BV)
4-7 Wartburg (at Luther, BV, Simpson, at Loras, at UD)
3-8 Luther (Wartburg, NWU, at Central, at UD, Coe)
1-10 Central (UD, Simpson, Luther, at NWU, at BV)

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 03, 2020, 10:29:22 AM
Saturday's Results

Loras 85 Simpson 67  Simpson's slide continues. Loras gets to 7 wins, yet has tough schedule to finish.

Wartburg 97 Central 88  Knights stay in postseason hunt.  Central shoots 54.5%, makes 13 treys, yet still falls.  -7 turnover ratio spells loss.

NWU 92 UD 66  NWU virtually unbeatable at home.  UD has favorable schedule and could get a bye with a win out.

Luther 87 BV 81  Shocker of the day.  Luther shows again they are a tough team on their own court. This loss really damages BV's at-large hopes and puts the bye completely in play for everyone else.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 03, 2020, 11:06:15 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 03, 2020, 09:08:50 AM
Luther with the stunner over BV this weekend.  The game was decided at the free throw line.  Both teams with nearly identical stat lines.  11/24 from 3 and both made 28 shots for the game. 

Things have certainly tightened up for seedings. 

11-0 NWU (at Coe, at Luther, Central, at Simpson, Loras)
7-3 Coe (NWU, at Loras, at Simpson, BV, UD, at Luther)
7-4 Loras (at BV, Coe, at UD, Wartburg, at NWU)
6-4 BV (Loras, UD, at Wartburg, at Coe, Central, at Simpson)
5-5 UD (at Central, at BV, Loras, Luther, at Coe, Wartburg)
4-7 Simpson (at Central, Coe, at Wartburg, NWU, BV)
4-7 Wartburg (at Luther, BV, Simpson, at Loras, at UD)
3-8 Luther (Wartburg, NWU, at Central, at UD, Coe)
1-10 Central (UD, Simpson, Luther, at NWU, at BV)

Fluid situation, seedings change with every game day.  Good compilation here.  In my opinion, remaining strength of schedule from easiest to toughest:

NWU  Doesn't matter much, but hard to see anyone beating them.

UD  @BV not easy.  Already beaten Central, Coe and Luther.  Get Wartburg (lost without Mitch Burger) and Loras at home. 

BV  Will enjoy home court against Loras and UD, 10 or 11 wins in play.

Simpson  Can't win a tough game, but on paper still in it. BV, Coe, NWU all in favorable environment at home and Wartburg and Central are winnable.  Still a path to 7 or even 8 wins. Losing twice to UD could really hurt in a tiebreak situation.

Coe   NWU, BV, UD at home, pick off one of those.  Loras, SC, Luther on road could result in two wins is path to 10 wins. Still not easy.

Loras  BV, NWU, UD all on road.  Already lost by 7 to Coe.  Home against Wartburg looks likely, although lost to them by 18.  Tough schedule.

Wartburg @Luther looks like a win, but tough finish, have to travel to Dubuque twice to end regular season.

Luther  Threat at home, but should struggle to find wins against hungry teams with more talent.

Central  Certainly better than 1-10, can't take them lightly, still what are psychological impacts of being out of it? Even if they win a couple at home, road finish @ BV and NWU is brutal. 




Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 03, 2020, 01:49:19 PM
I like the breakdown there.  I might even flip Loras and Wartburg. 

BV's at-large took a huge hit, looking like the ARC will be a 1-bid league this year unless someone upsets NWU in the conference tournament (unlikely). 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 05, 2020, 10:53:10 AM
Wednesday Night in the ARC

UD 126 @ Central 327  UD's turn to take the quirky scheduling hit, only second game in 10 days. Sparty must win this on the road and they should.

NWU 8 @ Coe 99  Only a 6 point game in Lincoln due to Coe's three point shooting.  This one won't be that close.

Loras 95  @ BV 67  Huge game here.  Loras beat BV in overtime at home in first game and comes in riding three game wave. BV will be hungry coming off bad loss @ Luther.  I think this one will be very close.  The game at Loras was weird. Duhawks still had Jordan Boyd and won despite taking 25 fewer shots than the Beavers.  Feel like home court advantage will tip this one.

Wartburg 200 @ Luther 281  Can lightning strike twice in Decorah?  Luther at 7-13 has won five of those games at home.  They play with confidence in their gym.  Norse will parlay big upset of Beavers into conference win number four!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 06, 2020, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 05, 2020, 10:53:10 AM
Wednesday Night in the ARC

UD 126 @ Central 327  UD's turn to take the quirky scheduling hit, only second game in 10 days. Sparty must win this on the road and they should.

NWU 8 @ Coe 99  Only a 6 point game in Lincoln due to Coe's three point shooting.  This one won't be that close.

Loras 95  @ BV 67  Huge game here.  Loras beat BV in overtime at home in first game and comes in riding three game wave. BV will be hungry coming off bad loss @ Luther.  I think this one will be very close.  The game at Loras was weird. Duhawks still had Jordan Boyd and won despite taking 25 fewer shots than the Beavers.  Feel like home court advantage will tip this one.

Wartburg 200 @ Luther 281  Can lightning strike twice in Decorah?  Luther at 7-13 has won five of those games at home.  They play with confidence in their gym.  Norse will parlay big upset of Beavers into conference win number four!

Loras actually lost to BV at home in OT. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 06, 2020, 11:01:52 AM
Wednesday Results

NWU 84 Coe 78     Got this one wrong.  Improbably, Coe plays an nearly identical game to their first meeting against the Wolves and comes up six points short again.  Coe had three more three point makes, kept them in this.  Another factor is the free throws.  NWU gets to the line very frequently at home, for example first time these two teams met NWU 13-18, Coe 7-7, those numbers evened out a bit in Cedar Rapids NWU 7-12, Coe 12-18.  You need these kind of breaks to even have a chance of staying with NWU. 

Another comment I would make is that I believe that NWU might be a bit underrated at #8. I know the loss to St. Thomas plays a role, but again weird game, St. T went an incredible 19-39 from three, very identical from last year's tournament game.  This from a team who averages 11.2 threes per game.  Aside from that, and a similar scenario at UW-River Falls, NWU has proven to be incredibly efficient.  These kinds of teams who have a deep well of experience and are able to execute what they do with relaxed consistency are very dangerous.  What I'm getting at is that I really think NWU is a top four team with a very strong probability of winning it all. 

Loras 90 BV 83   Got this one wrong.  Huge win for Loras.  Even performance with all five starters in double figures, shot 56.4% from field.  Good formula for winning a basketball game.  Duhawks 8th win puts them in upper hand position for a conference tourney bye.

Wartburg 71 Luther 64  Got this one wrong.  Norse magic runs out.

UD 91 Central 82  Got something right.  Moody's surprise return makes Dutch a more competitive team, but not enough to overcome 15 made threes and 56 second half points from Sparty. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 06, 2020, 11:03:10 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 06, 2020, 10:40:52 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 05, 2020, 10:53:10 AM
Wednesday Night in the ARC

UD 126 @ Central 327  UD's turn to take the quirky scheduling hit, only second game in 10 days. Sparty must win this on the road and they should.

NWU 8 @ Coe 99  Only a 6 point game in Lincoln due to Coe's three point shooting.  This one won't be that close.

Loras 95  @ BV 67  Huge game here.  Loras beat BV in overtime at home in first game and comes in riding three game wave. BV will be hungry coming off bad loss @ Luther.  I think this one will be very close.  The game at Loras was weird. Duhawks still had Jordan Boyd and won despite taking 25 fewer shots than the Beavers.  Feel like home court advantage will tip this one.

Wartburg 200 @ Luther 281  Can lightning strike twice in Decorah?  Luther at 7-13 has won five of those games at home.  They play with confidence in their gym.  Norse will parlay big upset of Beavers into conference win number four!

Loras actually lost to BV at home in OT.

My mistake.  Loras avenged that loss last night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 06, 2020, 02:13:22 PM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 03, 2020, 09:08:50 AM
Luther with the stunner over BV this weekend.  The game was decided at the free throw line.  Both teams with nearly identical stat lines.  11/24 from 3 and both made 28 shots for the game. 

Things have certainly tightened up for seedings. 

11-0 NWU (at Coe, at Luther, Central, at Simpson, Loras)
7-3 Coe (NWU, at Loras, at Simpson, BV, UD, at Luther)
7-4 Loras (at BV, Coe, at UD, Wartburg, at NWU)
6-4 BV (Loras, UD, at Wartburg, at Coe, Central, at Simpson)
5-5 UD (at Central, at BV, Loras, Luther, at Coe, Wartburg)
4-7 Simpson (at Central, Coe, at Wartburg, NWU, BV)
4-7 Wartburg (at Luther, BV, Simpson, at Loras, at UD)
3-8 Luther (Wartburg, NWU, at Central, at UD, Coe)
1-10 Central (UD, Simpson, Luther, at NWU, at BV)

Computer projected final standings as of 2/6. 

NWU 16-0
Coe 11-5
Loras 10-6
BV 10-6
UD 9-7
Wartburg 6-10
Simpson 5-11
Luther 3-13
Central 2-14
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 06, 2020, 04:22:06 PM
What computer projections are you using?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 07, 2020, 10:26:13 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 06, 2020, 04:22:06 PM
What computer projections are you using?

Massey win probabilities.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 07, 2020, 10:36:14 AM
Saturday in the ARC

Simpson 186 @ Central 333  Must win for Simpson to keep pace with Wartburg.  Problem is Simpson has shown inability to win on the road.  Moody's return will make the difference here. 

Coe 96 @ Loras 80  Game of the day.  Duhawks on a bit of a roll since Coe loss.  They return the favor here and get to nine conference wins.

NWU 7 @ Luther 287 

UD 118 @ BV 84  Game of the day, Part II.  Two teams tied for the four seed at 6-5.  Can UD find a way to win this on the road (make 15 or more threes?)?  Can BV stop their three game skid?

It's February basketball...conference picture either clears a bit or stays caucus night muddled.  We shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 07, 2020, 11:22:22 AM
ARC teams in top 25 nationally by statistical category:

Scoring Offense 13. NWU 88.8  16. BV 88.5

Scoring Margin 7. NWU 16  21. BV 13

Three pt. fg/Game  19. BV 10.9  22. UD 10.8

3 pt. fg attempts 15.  BV 650

Asst/TO ratio  17. NWU 1.45

Fewest TOs  18. Coe 219

FG%  1. NWU 53.30%  21.  Simpson 49.00%

Off. Reb./Game  5. BV 15.90

Fouls/Game  10. NWU 13.5

Reb. Margin 14. Loras and BV 8


Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 09, 2020, 10:00:22 AM
NWU #1 in fg%! Impressive.

Nate Schimonitz for POTY. I don't think many national pundits had them doing as good as they have this far after losing two top players.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 09, 2020, 06:01:12 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 09, 2020, 10:00:22 AM
NWU #1 in fg%! Impressive.

Nate Schimonitz for POTY. I don't think many national pundits had them doing as good as they have this far after losing two top players.

Really? Schimonitz was back ... and Preseason they were picked #8 and are currently #7. I think NWC is right were many of us thought they would be.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 10, 2020, 09:45:36 AM
Saturday Results

BV 81 UD 70  Dismal first half sinks UD as Beavers gnaw their way to victory

Loras 77 Coe 76  Duhawks continue surging and take two game lead for bye spot

Central 78 Simpson 71  Storm continue struggling, still not out of postseason race

NWU 95 Luther 65
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 10, 2020, 10:02:51 AM
NWU clinched their 4th straight regular season championship after defeating Luther Saturday

Game of the day was in Dubuque as Loras took on Coe.  I didn't know if I was watching a wrestling match, football game, or basketball game.  This had to have been one of the poorest officiated games I've seen in a long time.  I don't know if the officials have gotten a memo to allow more physical play, but the league seems to have certainly gone that direction recently.  Brian Martin was VERY VISIBLY upset following a no-call at the end of the game, camera angle wasn't the greatest, but it looked like there might have been contact with one of the officials. 

Simpson continues to slide.  The preseason #2 pick has gone 3-6 since coming back from Christmas break, and things aren't going to get any easier with games against Coe, at Wartburg, and home with NWU and BV. 

Regional rankings should be coming out soon, will anyone other than NWU find a spot in the west rankings?

Wednesday Games
BV at Wartburg
Loras at UD
Coe at Simpson
Luther at Central

Current Standings
13-0 NWU (Central, at Simpson, Loras)
9-4 Loras (at UD, Wartburg, at NWU)
7-5 BV (at Wartburg, at Coe, Central, at Simpson)
7-5 Coe (at Simpson, BV, UD, at Luther)
6-6 UD (Loras, Luther, at Coe, Wartburg)
5-7 Wartburg (BV, Simpson, at Loras, at UD)
4-8 Simpson (Coe, at Wartburg, NWU, BV)
3-10 Luther (at Central, at UD, Coe)
2-11 Central (Luther, at NWU, at BV)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 10, 2020, 10:06:09 AM
Quote from: dunkin3117 on February 10, 2020, 10:02:51 AM
Regional rankings should be coming out soon

The first regional rankings will be released on Wednesday.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 12, 2020, 11:35:26 AM
Wednesday in the ARC

Loras 72 @ UD 126  Game of the night.  Battle for Dubuque.  Duhawks on 5 game roll, Sparty coming off lackluster loss to BV.  Throw out the records and expect a spirited contest.

Luther 285 @ Central 308  Dutch over Norse in Battle of Northern Europe.

Coe 107 @ Simpson 199  Huge game for Storm.   A win here keeps them in the postseason race and sets up big Saturday game vs. Wartburg. Home advantage tips this one.

BV 78 @ Wartburg 185  BV cruises easily at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 12, 2020, 03:11:30 PM
First Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 13, 2020, 02:59:27 PM
Hump Day ARC Results

Loras 72 UD 71     Big game from JT Ford and Duhawks cement clear second-best to NWU status.

Coe 80 Simpson 60      Storm look to have given up the ghost. 

Luther 79 Central 72     Ugly box score...Norse take this one James Harden style, at the free thrown line.

BV 91 Wartburg 67      Wartburg still in the running for that 5th or 6th seed.


Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 13, 2020, 03:15:32 PM
Hard to pick a game of the day on Saturday.  Each has a MAJOR impact on the conference tournament.  NWU, Loras, BV and Coe are the only teams who have qualified to this point. 

BV at Coe (This game went to 2OT with Coe coming out on top, 86-80)
Simpson at Wartburg (Both fighting for their lives to make conference tournament.  Simpson won the first meeting 71-65)
Luther at UD (For the first time in several years, Luther is alive to make a tournament push.  UD won the first meeting 75-69)

Current Standings
13-0 NWU (Central, at Simpson, Loras)
10-4 Loras (BYE, Wartburg, at NWU)
8-5 BV (at Coe, Central, at Simpson)
8-5 Coe (BV, UD, at Luther)
6-7 UD (Luther, at Coe, Wartburg)
5-8 Wartburg (Simpson, at Loras, at UD)
4-9 Simpson (at Wartburg, NWU, BV)
4-10 Luther (at UD, BYE, Coe)
2-12 Central (at NWU, at BV, BYE)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 14, 2020, 10:34:06 AM
Saturday in the ARC

Central 307 @ NWU 5   NWU belongs in the top four national rankings.

Coe 107 @ BV 77  Double overtime win at Coe in first game.  Coe is a 52% favorite here.  This game will likely go down to the wire, still my feeling is that Austin Roth will have another monster game and put the Kohawks in the win column.

Luther 282 @ UD  125  Luther needs to win last two for six wins to have any chance at postseason. Problem for the Norse is that they're terrible on the road.  Luther doesn't travel well and UD trying to get to at least 8 wins for seeding purposes.  Sparty should win this by 10-15. 

Simpson 198 @ Wartburg 184  Another must win for two teams battling for tournament.  Hard to pick the Storm here after three straight bad games.  That means they'll likely win.  But seriously, Knights can hammerlock a berth since Simpson finishes with BV and NWU.  A Wartburg win here also helps UD.

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 14, 2020, 12:45:57 PM
Is the conference worse than we thought it would be or is NWU just that much better than everyone else? I mean, NWU is running away with the league, winning every game by double digits except their two games against Coe (huh?).
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 14, 2020, 02:21:11 PM
I wouldn't say that the league is worse than anyone thought.  I think the only team not living up to expectations would be Simpson.  BV might be exceeding expectations.  In all, I think this is still one of the most competitive leagues in the country.  Might not see it in the national rankings, but there are several teams that could compete with anyone in the country.  Much like the CCIW, teams just beat up on each other in conference play. There is no doormat.  Central would find themselves in the mix had Moody (12 games) and Spoehr (season) not been injured.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 14, 2020, 02:50:43 PM
My opinion is that NWU is just that good.  I don't have advanced offensive efficiency stats, but leading the nation in team FG% at 53.30 is impressive.  This is not a soft league defensively. 

Schimonitz is in my opinion the best player in the country.  He gets to where he wants to go and runs the Princeton point like a maestro, is 4th in the nation at 26.0 ppg AND 20th in the nation at 5.9 apg. The latter stat is indicative of both how unselfish he and the offense they run is and how good the other four starting seniors are. 

On the other end of the floor, the 3-2 zone causes lots of problems, it is unconventional and really prevents teams from generating flow.  The key to beating this team is shooting lights out from three.  St. Thomas went an absurd 19/39 in their win earlier this year (and incidentally went 15/40 in the tournament game last year) and UW-River Falls went 18/30 from beyond the arc.  Playing them is like playing a grandmaster in chess, you might hang on in the opening for a bit, then suddenly one slightly bad move and you're out of position and the end is coming fast.  Little margin for error.

I would say the ARC is down a bit, but not terribly.  The difference this year is that you don't have a second national profile team like Loras was last year.  Objectively, the ARC ranks 11 out of 46 conferences, no longer top 5, but still strong.  Simpson was also a team who was being talked about in some national conversations and brought back their best three players from a 9-7 team, but is currently 4-9.  I'm not sure if this speaks to the conference being tough or Simpson not being as talented as we thought.  I suspect it's some of both.  Loras, Coe, BV, and UD are all very good teams and not easy touches.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 16, 2020, 09:42:04 AM
Basketball can be a strange game.  With 11:02 left in the contest last night Luther was leading Dubuque 59-45.  Spartans win 85-83.  First 29 minutes UD scores 45 points, last 11 they score 40.  And it wasn't like the Norse collapsed, they still scored 24 points over the last 11 minutes, they were still making shots. 

One more week to see how the conference tourney seedings shake out. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 16, 2020, 04:08:44 PM
Saturday Results

UD 85 Luther 83   Strange game, indeed doolittle.  Norse put up a spirited last gasp, came out raining threes, went  9/15 in the first half, even weirder, seven players hit at least one three in that half alone. Luther shot 51.6% from the field in the first half.  They could not keep this up but...UD shot, yup, 51.6% from the field in the second half and Mitch Burger's last second drive and finish won it. Sparty looks like a likely five seed.

NWU 91 Central 70  No surprises here.

Coe 81 BV 72  Coe stakes claim to third best team in conference.  Postseason tourney is going to be exciting.

Simpson 87 Wartburg 73  Riordan and Wagner finally put it together, combining for 62 (31 each).  These two teams now tied for last spot in tourney.  Wartburg gets @ Loras @ UD, while Simpson is home with NWU and BV.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 17, 2020, 05:08:10 PM
Some very interesting scenarios are about to play out.  NWU has locked the #1 seed.  The way I am seeing it...

Loras and Coe can finish anywhere from the 2-4. 
BV anywhere from 3-5. 
UD anywhere from 3-7. 
Wartburg and Simpson 5-7. 
Luther could maybe squeak in as the 6. 

To many tiebreaker scenarios for me to figure out right now, but I think that should be ballpark seeding possibilities. 

Current Standings
14-0 NWU (at Simpson, Loras)
10-4 Loras (Wartburg, at NWU)
9-5 Coe (UD, at Luther)
8-6 BV (Central, at Simpson)
7-7 UD (at Coe, Wartburg)
5-9 Wartburg (at Loras, at UD)
5-9 Simpson (NWU, BV)
4-11 Luther (BYE, Coe)
2-13 Central (at BV, BYE)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 18, 2020, 11:47:45 AM
 Adjusted Efficiency Margin for ARC teams   - This is the number of points (per 100 possessions) by which the team in question would be expected to beat an average team. Out of 422 D-3 schools.

NWU 25.9 (3)
BVU 15.1 (48
Coe 10.8 (91)
Loras 7.7 (116)
Simpson 3.2 (169)
UD 2.6 (176)
Wartburg -0.7 (216)
Central -8.4 (323)
Luther -9.7 (341)

ARC as a whole ranks 10th at 5.2 out of 44 conferences.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 19, 2020, 11:24:58 AM
Wednesday in the ARC

It's late February and things are fluid in the conference race.  Buckle up.

UD 130 @ Coe 86  UD handled Coe at home relatively easily. Tougher task in Cedar Rapids.

NWU 6 @ Simpson 187  Simpson gets in with a tie or better with Wartburg.  That said,  all Wolves in this one.

Central 319 @ BV 73  BV right in the thick of the seeding battle cruises here.

Wartburg 208 @ Loras  67  Knights have to finish ahead of Simpson for a postseason berth.  That means they have to win at least one game in Dubuque.  I say they won't.

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 19, 2020, 11:48:14 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 14, 2020, 02:50:43 PM
My opinion is that NWU is just that good.  I don't have advanced offensive efficiency stats, but leading the nation in team FG% at 53.30 is impressive.  This is not a soft league defensively. 

Schimonitz is in my opinion the best player in the country.  He gets to where he wants to go and runs the Princeton point like a maestro, is 4th in the nation at 26.0 ppg AND 20th in the nation at 5.9 apg. The latter stat is indicative of both how unselfish he and the offense they run is and how good the other four starting seniors are. 

On the other end of the floor, the 3-2 zone causes lots of problems, it is unconventional and really prevents teams from generating flow.  The key to beating this team is shooting lights out from three.  St. Thomas went an absurd 19/39 in their win earlier this year (and incidentally went 15/40 in the tournament game last year) and UW-River Falls went 18/30 from beyond the arc.  Playing them is like playing a grandmaster in chess, you might hang on in the opening for a bit, then suddenly one slightly bad move and you're out of position and the end is coming fast.  Little margin for error.

I would say the ARC is down a bit, but not terribly.  The difference this year is that you don't have a second national profile team like Loras was last year.  Objectively, the ARC ranks 11 out of 46 conferences, no longer top 5, but still strong.  Simpson was also a team who was being talked about in some national conversations and brought back their best three players from a 9-7 team, but is currently 4-9.  I'm not sure if this speaks to the conference being tough or Simpson not being as talented as we thought.  I suspect it's some of both.  Loras, Coe, BV, and UD are all very good teams and not easy touches.

So, now I do have some efficiency stats

Adjusted Efficiency Margin - This is the number of points (per 100 possessions) by which the team in question would be expected to beat an average team.

25.9 3rd out of 422 teams (St. Thomas is 2nd)

Adjusted Offense - This is the number of points (per 100 possessions) that the team in question would be expected to score against an average defense.

122.9 1st/422  This verifies the lethality of the Wolves offense

Adjusted Defense - This is the number of points (per 100 possessions) that the team in question would be expected to allow against an average offense.

97.0  103/422 somewhat surprising and the only top 10 team outside of the top 100.  For comparison, St. Thomas is 17th

Adjusted Tempo - This is the speed, in possessions per 40 minutes, at which the team in question would be expected to play against an average team.

72.4  280/422 NCAA average is 75

Win50 - This column represents the median rating of all off the opponents a team has played so far this season. This strength of schedule indicator is less susceptible to swings caused by a small handful of particularly poor (or strong) opponents.

2.6 152/422





Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 19, 2020, 01:12:13 PM
Week 2's Regional Rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-second
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on February 19, 2020, 09:24:47 PM
BV's pep band rocked.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Fannosaurus Rex on February 19, 2020, 10:10:38 PM
The camera work on the webcast was pretty good also.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: duckfan41 on February 20, 2020, 08:39:42 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 19, 2020, 11:24:58 AM
Wednesday in the ARC

It's late February and things are fluid in the conference race.  Buckle up.

UD 130 @ Coe 86  UD handled Coe at home relatively easily. Tougher task in Cedar Rapids.

NWU 6 @ Simpson 187  Simpson gets in with a tie or better with Wartburg.  That said,  all Wolves in this one.

Central 319 @ BV 73  BV right in the thick of the seeding battle cruises here.

Wartburg 208 @ Loras  67  Knights have to finish ahead of Simpson for a postseason berth.  That means they have to win at least one game in Dubuque.  I say they won't.

Basketball is a crazy game. Simpson almost thirty-pieced NWU last night... I'm surprised no one has posted here about that yet
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 20, 2020, 11:07:16 AM
Wednesday Results

Simpson 86 NWU 59  Whoa.  More evidence that I need to give up the prediction game.  How did this happen?  NWU shoots 30.9 vs. Simpson's 53.3.  Simpson is an average defensive team by the numbers.  Anomalous bad night for the Wolves? 

Coe 81 UD 72  Another bad first half dooms Sparty.  Fun fact: Coe has won back-to-back home games by the same score, 81-72.  They shot 52% in the first half of each game.

Wartburg 84 Loras 81  Wow, Wartburg outplays Loras in Dubuque.  Saturday is going to be interesting.

BV 97 Central 85
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 20, 2020, 11:27:32 AM
That was definitely a shocker to see this morning.  These seeding scenarios are bonkers.  To many tiebreaker scenarios to work though for everyone, but Simpson should be in with a win or Wartburg loss.

1-NWU
2-Loras/Coe
3-Loras/Coe
4-BV
5-UD/Wartburg
6-UD/Wartburg/Simpson
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 20, 2020, 11:35:04 AM
Standings and Saturday Games

NWU 14-1  vs. Loras
Loras 10-5 @ NWU   Loss and Coe win makes Coe 2 seed, Loras 3
Coe 10-5 @ Luther  We'll assume Coe wins
BV 9-6 @ Simpson  Likely Loras loss and BV win means Loras 3 seed BV 4 by virtue of head-to-head record vs. Coe
UD 7-8 vs. Wartburg  UD win and in, Wartburg win is a monkey wrench.   
Simpson 6-9  vs. BV
Wartburg 6-9 @ UD
Luther 4-11
Central 2-14

5th and 6th seed scenarios based on this...

Tie-breaker criteria for tournament seeding:
4.2.1. Head-to-head record
4.2.2. Record vs. teams in descending order, starting with first place
4.2.3. Record in conference road games
4.2.4. Record in last eight conference games overall
4.2.5. Coin flip (three-way-odd team gets the higher seed)
[Note: In a multiple-team tie, always return to head-to-head competition with the remaining teams after the highest
seed has been determined. To break a first place/third place tie, the first place teams will compare head-to-head
records vs. combined third-place team records.]

UD win and in.  Simpson would get in based on head-to-head over Wartburg, but would be 6 seed based on head-to-head vs. UD

Wartburg win and Simpson loss Wartburg 5 and UD 6 based on head-to-head

Wartburg and Simpson win, Three way tie UD 2-2, Simpson 2-2, Wartburg 2-2 head-to-head-to-head, goes descending order, Simpson in with NWU win, if Coe 2nd UD in, if Loras 2nd Wartburg in.  I think...
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 20, 2020, 12:04:28 PM
Like I said....bonkers.  Every game has so much weight on it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 21, 2020, 10:21:44 AM
Seeding Battle Saturday in the ARC

BV 74 @ Simpson 161 Intriguing match up...does Simpson believe after their huge upset on Wednesday?  Maybe, but track record just too shaky for the Storm. 

Coe 79 @ Luther 256  Norse have played well down the stretch and hold that BV scalp on their home court.  Kohawks superior athleticism wins out in the end.

Loras 80 @ NWU 14  Great teams use setbacks as fuel.  Wolves locked in as one seed, but will certainly play this one to win after debacle in Indianola.  Momentum matters and NWU will get it back in this one.   

Wartburg 185 @ UD 136 Huge game here.  UD win and in.  Knights won first game by 16, UD was without leading scorer Burger.  Dogfight type game, gotta with Sparty to pull it out on their home floor.  UD needs to come out of the gate with energy and stop digging early holes for itself. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: dunkin3117 on February 24, 2020, 09:26:01 AM
Field is set...

1 NWU
2 Coe
3 Loras vs 6 Wartburg
4 BV vs 5 Simpson

Might be the most dangerous 5/6 seeds in recent memory.  Simpson is one of the hottest teams in the league and Wartburg has already knocked off Loras twice this year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 24, 2020, 11:06:41 AM
Saturday Results

Wartburg 92 UD 81  Worse-case scenario played out for UD. Bottom line was had to win here to get in and did not. Wartburg played with energy and missed free throws and techs hurt Sparty down the stretch. 

Simpson 85 BV 72  Storm finally living up to their potential and at the right time.  Credit them for two huge wins to sneak in.  The NWU win makes the conference tournament very interesting.  Intriguing rematch at BV. 

NWU 88 Loras 73 

Coe 76 Luther 60
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 25, 2020, 11:05:21 AM
ARC Conference Tournament Round One

Simpson 145 @ BV 85  Very interesting match up for all the obvious reasons.  Storm finally showing their potential, but can they beat a good team back to back, this time on the road?  Have to ride with the hot team here. 

Wartburg 167 @ Loras 76  Another great match up.  I think this goes down the wire again, remember Knights beat Duhawks in their own gym only a week ago.  If Wartburg plays like they did Saturday at UD, they win this. I would pound it inside to Stulken and Zumbach if I'm the Knights.    Hard to pick against Duhawks at home to lose twice in a week to the same team, though. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 25, 2020, 02:37:15 PM
The Week 3 men's regional rankings are out: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2020/02/men-regional-rankings-third
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on February 26, 2020, 10:18:19 AM
Tough end to the year for Loras. After the loss of Ruggles, DiCanio, and George, guys needed to step up. And guys like Rowan McGowen and JT Ford did big time. By the end of the season, though, the Duhawks had lost Boyd, Matthews, and Navigato from the original starting lineup. Dimitric Young then gets hurt replacing Navigato. Matt Dacy-Seijo missed significant time. Just a long series of unfortunate events which eventually ends the Duhawks season last night. Lucky for Loras, they will be returning all but 1 starter (JT Ford) next season and should return heavily motivated.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 26, 2020, 11:38:36 AM
Tuesday Results

Wartburg 79 Loras 73  Knights jump on Duhawks early and hold on.   Played stronger and earned this win--Wartburg won rebounding battle 34-21.

Simpson 86 BV 70  Storm keep rolling, shoot a lights out 62.2% from field. 

Sets up some good games tomorrow.

Simpson 121 @ NWU 11  Wolves avenge shocking 27 point loss at Simpson.

Wartburg 151 @ Coe 68  Both teams on a nice roll when it counts. Coe swept the regular season series.  That said, I'll go with Wartburg in a dogfight here.  Just feel like they're the tougher team and impressed with the team energy they've brought down the stretch. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 28, 2020, 11:18:08 AM
Thursday Results

Coe 113 Wartburg 75  Good time for Coe to pull out their highest non-Grinnell point total of the year.  Kohawks shot 60.7% from the field in the second half with six made 3s and 11-12 from the stripe. 

NWU 91 Simpson 77  Schimonitz 34 pts, Reimers with a double-double.


ARC Championship

Coe 68 @ NWU 11  Both regular season contests were six point Wolves wins. This is not a foregone conclusion, yet impossible to pick against NWU at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2020, 12:51:35 PM
Late in last night's game, Nate Schimonitz went down with looked to be a hamstring injury. Hope they use the magic spray and he's able to play in tomorrow's championship game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 28, 2020, 02:08:32 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 28, 2020, 12:51:35 PM
Late in last night's game, Nate Schimonitz went down with looked to be a hamstring injury. Hope they use the magic spray and he's able to play in tomorrow's championship game.

He only needs like six points for 2,000.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on February 29, 2020, 12:19:52 PM
Dang those can be tricky, hope he can come back healthy! Would be a shame for him to miss out on 2k and the NCAA tourney. Additionally, a lot of bubble teams hope he can come back and be healthy today...
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on March 01, 2020, 09:53:30 AM
Quote from: Smitty Oom on February 29, 2020, 12:19:52 PM
Dang those can be tricky, hope he can come back healthy! Would be a shame for him to miss out on 2k and the NCAA tourney. Additionally, a lot of bubble teams hope he can come back and be healthy today...

Well congrats to the prairie wolves on winning the conference regular season and the conference tournament. They have been such a great program the past couple years and have been a wonderful challenge for the other ARC teams and helping this conference gain the national recognition it deserves!

Nate Schimonitz was not in yesterdays box score. Hopefully he has been in the training room all weekend trying to get healthy for Fridays game, where they will most likely be hosting a pod! NWU write-up of the game mentions Nate got hurt in the semi-final but did not give a timeline for his return, anyone closer to the program have any idea on his likelihood to return?

Lastly, cool tidbit I read in the NWU write-up of the game. Congrats on coming up big in the championship, Cordell!

QuoteIn his first career start in a Prairie Wolves uniform, senior Cordell Gillingham came out firing in the first half scoring 12 points to lead NWU.  Gillingham scored a career-high 19 points making 7-10 from the field and 3-5 on his 3-point attempts to lead the Prairie Wolves in scoring.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 05, 2020, 02:00:20 PM
Webster 179 @ NWU

NWU is a 20 point favorite at home, and that should be about right.  With or without Schimonitz, NWU  should control this game with relative ease.  Despite riding a 12 game win streak and 16-2 conference record,  the numbers say the Gorlocks are a slightly below average team by Adjusted Efficiency Margin.  The eye test says that Webster is a balanced team, physically tough, but will still struggle to match up defensively with the freakish balanced efficiency of the Wolves, especially on their home court.   I really think NWU cruises into an interesting second round game vs. Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 06, 2020, 08:35:56 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on March 05, 2020, 02:00:20 PM
Webster 179 @ NWU

NWU is a 20 point favorite at home, and that should be about right.  With or without Schimonitz, NWU  should control this game with relative ease.  Despite riding a 12 game win streak and 16-2 conference record,  the numbers say the Gorlocks are a slightly below average team by Adjusted Efficiency Margin.  The eye test says that Webster is a balanced team, physically tough, but will still struggle to match up defensively with the freakish balanced efficiency of the Wolves, especially on their home court.   I really think NWU cruises into an interesting second round game vs. Wash U.

This matchup will have some interest for me.  I was born in Webster and had friends parents that worked for the school.  My family moved to Iowa before Webster started an athletic department.  I will be firmly an NWU fan though.  I support our conference!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 06, 2020, 08:35:56 AM
This matchup will have some interest for me.  I was born in Webster and had friends parents that worked for the school.  My family moved to Iowa before Webster started an athletic department.  I will be firmly an NWU fan though.  I support our conference!

Which elementary school did you go to?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 06, 2020, 11:59:43 AM
Quote from: WUPHF on March 06, 2020, 11:41:35 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 06, 2020, 08:35:56 AM
This matchup will have some interest for me.  I was born in Webster and had friends parents that worked for the school.  My family moved to Iowa before Webster started an athletic department.  I will be firmly an NWU fan though.  I support our conference!

Which elementary school did you go to?

Bristol elementary.  I may have been the last class that also started at the building across the street from the main one before everyone was consolidated into that original building. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 06, 2020, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on March 05, 2020, 02:00:20 PM
Webster 179 @ NWU

NWU is a 20 point favorite at home, and that should be about right.  With or without Schimonitz, NWU  should control this game with relative ease.  Despite riding a 12 game win streak and 16-2 conference record,  the numbers say the Gorlocks are a slightly below average team by Adjusted Efficiency Margin.  The eye test says that Webster is a balanced team, physically tough, but will still struggle to match up defensively with the freakish balanced efficiency of the Wolves, especially on their home court.   I really think NWU cruises into an interesting second round game vs. Wash U.

Thanks for that analysis. I think Webster will play hard and compete well. They are in good shape and have experience against teams that play at a fast pace, though certainly none as good as NWU. I don't think it will be as easy for NWU as last year's first round tournament game vs Eureka.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2020, 12:18:11 PM
Thanks.

Avery Elementary.

Not a Webster native, but I live Northeast of Webster University.

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 06, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
I did summer school after 1st or 2nd grade at Avery.  I learned to play kickball at Avery  ;)

If I remember correctly Avery and Bristol were the old red brick elementary schools while Clark and Edgar Rd were the newer, post WW2 single story schools.  1 sister went to Hixon jr high and 2 went to Steger (back when Steger was a jr high and hadn't become an elementary yet). 

So back to basketball.  The loss of Schimonitz will make things interesting.  Looking forward to watching this while I try to get some work done tonight. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 06, 2020, 01:15:04 PM
Quote from: y_jack_lok on March 06, 2020, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on March 05, 2020, 02:00:20 PM
Webster 179 @ NWU

NWU is a 20 point favorite at home, and that should be about right.  With or without Schimonitz, NWU  should control this game with relative ease.  Despite riding a 12 game win streak and 16-2 conference record,  the numbers say the Gorlocks are a slightly below average team by Adjusted Efficiency Margin.  The eye test says that Webster is a balanced team, physically tough, but will still struggle to match up defensively with the freakish balanced efficiency of the Wolves, especially on their home court.   I really think NWU cruises into an interesting second round game vs. Wash U.

Thanks for that analysis. I think Webster will play hard and compete well. They are in good shape and have experience against teams that play at a fast pace, though certainly none as good as NWU. I don't think it will be as easy for NWU as last year's first round tournament game vs Eureka.

Could be.  I think Webster is a decent team and obviously anything can happen in a given 40 minutes.  Another way to look at it on paper, though, is that Webster would rank 8th in the ARC in performance rating  ( http://talismanred.com/ratings/hoops/divisioniii.shtml )    .  They're not bringing anything unique that NWU hasn't seen this season in conference play, never mind non-conference games against the Johnnies and Tommies.  We'll see what happens.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 06, 2020, 01:35:25 PM
^^^ No disagreement from me.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: WUPHF on March 06, 2020, 01:39:06 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 06, 2020, 12:47:56 PM
I did summer school after 1st or 2nd grade at Avery.  I learned to play kickball at Avery.

If I remember correctly Avery and Bristol were the old red brick elementary schools while Clark and Edgar Rd were the newer, post WW2 single story schools.  1 sister went to Hixon jr high and 2 went to Steger (back when Steger was a jr high and hadn't become an elementary yet). 

So back to basketball.  The loss of Schimonitz will make things interesting.  Looking forward to watching this while I try to get some work done tonight.

This is great, thanks for the back and forth.

By the way, is Nate Shimonitz out tonight?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 06, 2020, 09:51:48 PM
Monster dunk by Etienne, NWU 65-63 with 6:20 left.  Barnburner in Nebraska.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on March 06, 2020, 10:17:06 PM
The Schimonitz-less Prairie Wolves eke out a 77-73 home win over lightly-regarded Webster.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: y_jack_lok on March 06, 2020, 10:44:26 PM
Congrats to the NWU announcers and the entire broadcast of tonight's NWU/Webster game. Really first rate in every respect.

And congrats to NWU on their win. Good teams win tough games, especially when playing without their best player. You'll have your hands full tomorrow vs Wash U.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 06, 2020, 11:24:32 PM

If Schimonitz can't go tomorrow, it seems very difficult to figure out how NWU will beat WashU.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 07, 2020, 06:46:08 AM
Wash U 16 @ NWU 7.  This clearly and unsurprisingly is not the same team without Schimonitz.  Credit Webster last night for going to toe to for 40 minutes, had a look in the waning seconds to tie it.  Bears have too much firepower for this version of the Wolves.  I say Wash U by 8-12.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2020, 11:08:47 AM
Granted Schimonitz wasn't  100%, obviously,  but I'm not sure how much of a difference that would've been. Wash U was a buzzsaw Saturday. Wow.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on March 09, 2020, 11:19:35 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2020, 11:08:47 AM
Granted Schimonitz wasn't  100%, obviously,  but I'm not sure how much of a difference that would've been. Wash U was a buzzsaw Saturday. Wow.

This appears to be the WashU team we expected all season.  They're still down Hunter, too, right?  Very dangerous.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2020, 10:38:19 PM
So...looking at next year, as NWU graduates everyone and their mother, who's taking the reigns?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on March 10, 2020, 12:00:33 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2020, 10:38:19 PM
So...looking at next year, as NWU graduates everyone and their mother, who's taking the reigns?

That is an interesting question. Not counting any transfers that may come in, there will be 0 seniors on the team next year. No one will have started a game for NWU. The most minutes this year of any returning player is 190, and the next highest is 79.

When the current 4 year run started, the Garver/Cook class were sophomores and the Schimonitz/Hiller/Dirks/Bahe/Hall class were freshmen. Cook played quite a bit as a freshman, but Garver only played a total of 138 minutes. They were young, but they also had some seniors on the team, along with junior transfer Wells-Ross, who gave them some good guidance and direction.

Next years team will not have that senior leadership and guidance, so the young players will have to figure it out. Hopefully, the last 2 years of seniors left them with some knowledge and guidance on how to proceed as a team. There is some good talent returning, and from what I hear some talented newcomers, but it will be young. They will be learning on the fly.

Coach Wellman and the rest of the coaching staff will definitely earn their money next year. I know they will be up to the task, and will have the team be as competitive as it can be.

 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 10, 2020, 01:10:53 PM
Thanks. Good post about NWU. However, I meant in terms of conference foes. The usual suspects, BVU, Wartburg? Loras or even Coe?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: rlgyank on March 10, 2020, 03:15:05 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 10, 2020, 01:10:53 PM
Thanks. Good post about NWU. However, I meant in terms of conference foes. The usual suspects, BVU, Wartburg? Loras or even Coe?

I really don't know about any recruits anyone has, but based on returning players, I would say Loras has the most returning. NWU loses almost everyone, Coe loses a lot, BVU loses their best player in Jeffries, Simpson loses a lot. It should be pretty wide open. Wartburg has some good returnees, but they will need to get better.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on March 16, 2020, 11:48:04 PM
In these wild times, coaches keep recruiting! Loras has recently received the commitments from a really impressive trio via the players' Twitter accounts: Jacob Schockemoehl, a G from local Wahlert Catholic. Loras seems to have beaten out a handful of D2 schools for the local kid. He was also a PrepHoops Class 3A Iowa Mr. Basketball candidate. Juan Avila, a SF from Oak Forest who led his squad to a 28-4 record against some impressive Chicago competition. And finally, just tonight, the Duhawks got a commitment from 6'2 JUCO G Brayden Hennis. A lights out shooter at Rock Valley, Hennis was named 1st Team NJCAA Region 4.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 19, 2020, 11:59:38 PM
Basketball (and football) news in the off- (and COVID-19) season.........

I sense regular former IIAC, and now ARC posters, may have had a better initial understanding of the conference's new name, but when the name was first publicized, the reaction of many of us outsiders was that the name American Rivers was terrible, and just plain dumb at best. The only connection that could be surmised by many was that the Iowa schools lie between the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers, thus the name American Rivers.

As a NWU Plainsman grad, and basketball player back in the GPAC/NAIA era, I receive the NWU Alumni magazine Archways. The current edition has a story on the origin of the conference name which details the fact that while NWU was built further from the banks of any river, American rivers are still the key to the identity of the conference due to the fact that all the Iowa schools are situated on or near riverbanks.

West to East;

Buena Vista University — Storm Lake/North Raccoon River
Simpson College — Indianola/South River
Central College — Pella/Des Moines River
Wartburg College — Waverly/Cedar River
Luther College — Decorah/Upper Iowa River
Coe College — Cedar Rapids/Cedar River
Loras College — Dubuque/Mississippi River
Univ of Dubuque — Dubuque/Mississippi River

:D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 20, 2020, 07:32:44 AM
Quote from: AndOne on April 19, 2020, 11:59:38 PM
Basketball (and football) news in the off- (and COVID-19) season.........

I sense regular former IIAC, and now ARC posters, may have had a better initial understanding of the conference's new name, but when the name was first publicized, the reaction of many of us outsiders was that the name American Rivers was terrible, and just plain dumb at best. The only connection that could be surmised by many was that the Iowa schools lie between the Mississippi and Missouri Rivers, thus the name American Rivers.

As a NWU Plainsman grad, and basketball player back in the GPAC/NAIA era, I receive the NWU Alumni magazine Archways. The current edition has a story on the origin of the conference name which details the fact that while NWU was built further from the banks of any river, American rivers are still the key to the identity of the conference due to the fact that all the Iowa schools are situated on or near riverbanks.

West to East;

Buena Vista University — Storm Lake/North Raccoon River
Simpson College — Indianola/South River
Central College — Pella/Des Moines River
Wartburg College — Waverly/Cedar River
Luther College — Decorah/Upper Iowa River
Coe College — Cedar Rapids/Cedar River
Loras College — Dubuque/Mississippi River
Univ of Dubuque — Dubuque/Mississippi River

:D

I can assure you us insiders thought the new name was terrible as well.  Their original slogan of "rivers rise" was even worse.  The fact they paid a consulting firm to come up with all that didn't play well either. 

I was told by multiple parties, a questionnaire was sent to conference coaches asking their opinion of a name change, and it came back overwhelmingly against the change.  Replies came back that the IIAC had name recognition and should be kept.  When that happened the college presidents were consulted and told a name change really needed to happen and they signed off on it.  No confirmation, but I was told NWU was promised a conference name change as a condition of joining. 

It's all river water under the bridge now.  If you go back a few podcasts you can find an interview Pat did with the current commissioner and they talked a bit about the name change. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on April 20, 2020, 02:58:00 PM
Ya, what comes to mind is that when "rivers rise" flooding can result. Not good. The Conference definitely should have asked for a refund on that one. 😧 👎
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: WUPHF on April 20, 2020, 04:02:34 PM
In one of more forgettable d3boards.com posts, I made the case that the SLIAC should be named the Western Rivers Conference.  American Rivers and Western Rivers are both commonly used to describe the Missouri-Mississippi-Illinois River system.

If you could travel to every SLIAC institution by steamboat as long as you had a train or horse and carriages to get you from the river to the final destination.  The rivers get you very close.  And the SLIAC is in much greater need of a rebrand.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 06, 2020, 02:42:22 PM
What's going on at Loras? First Jordan Boyd leaves, then Jalen Boyd, and now Ocean Johnson. Additionally, Coach Chris Martin seems to perhaps be the early leading candidate for the recently vacated head position at Augustana. Any indications that any other departures might occur?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Titan Q on May 06, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: AndOne on May 06, 2020, 02:42:22 PM
Additionally, Coach Chris Martin seems to perhaps be the early leading candidate for the recently vacated head position at Augustana.
Just to be clear, that is 100% speculation at this point.  There is nothing factual that points to Chris Martin being interested in that job, or Augustana being interested in Chris Martin.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 06, 2020, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Titan Q on May 06, 2020, 02:57:54 PM
Quote from: AndOne on May 06, 2020, 02:42:22 PM
Additionally, Coach Chris Martin seems to perhaps be the early leading candidate for the recently vacated head position at Augustana.
Just to be clear, that is 100% speculation at this point.  There is nothing factual that points to Chris Martin being interested in that job, or Augustana being interested in Chris Martin.

Of course Coach Martin probably has not actually uttered the words "I am interested in the Augustana job," nor has Augie stated "We want Chris Martin."  :)

However, with regard to any degree of speculation, my post appears to run on a parallel track with what you posted in the CCIW room earlier today.  ;)

Quote from: Titan Q on May 06, 2020, 08:08:11 AM
Here is my lead candidate for the Augie job...

https://duhawks.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/chris-martin/1808

Successful D3 head coach who has very successfully recruited within key parts of Augie's recruiting footprint at two D3 schools (Loras, Elmhurst).

I have no idea if Chris would be interested in the job (I'm guessing he would), but he seems like a strong candidate.



Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 06, 2020, 05:52:24 PM
I think that Bob's just spitballing, just as I did this morning with my own list, based upon Chris Martin's success at Loras, his CCIW background, and the fact that his Loras recruiting footprint is a near-match for Augustana's. There's a world of difference between that kind of speculation, which lacks any hard evidence of actual interest, and invoking the word "candidate," which denotes someone who is actively pursuing the job and is being considered by the institution in question.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 06, 2020, 06:04:48 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 06, 2020, 05:52:24 PM
I think that Bob's just spitballing, just as I did this morning with my own list, based upon Chris Martin's success at Loras, his CCIW background, and the fact that his Loras recruiting footprint is a near-match for Augustana's. There's a world of difference between that kind of speculation, which lacks any hard evidence of actual interest, and invoking the word "candidate," which denotes someone who is actively pursuing the job and is being considered by the institution in question.

You did, of course, notice that Bob did also, in fact, use the word candidate. Accordingly, it seems he may indeed have crossed over from mere "spitballing" and entered the speculative realm.  :o
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Titan Q on May 06, 2020, 06:05:16 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on May 06, 2020, 05:52:24 PM
I think that Bob's just spitballing, just as I did this morning with my own list, based upon Chris Martin's success at Loras, his CCIW background, and the fact that his Loras recruiting footprint is a near-match for Augustana's. There's a world of difference between that kind of speculation, which lacks any hard evidence of actual interest, and invoking the word "candidate," which denotes someone who is actively pursuing the job and is being considered by the institution in question.

Yes, I was very clear that I was just throwing out a name -- my opinion.

I think that is a lot different than what you said:
Quote from: AndOne on May 06, 2020, 02:42:22 PM
What's going on at Loras? First Jordan Boyd leaves, then Jalen Boyd, and now Ocean Johnson. Additionally, Coach Chris Martin seems to perhaps be the early leading candidate for the recently vacated head position at Augustana. Any indications that any other departures might occur?

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: AndOne on May 06, 2020, 06:16:03 PM
Everyone has their own opinion. But the fact is, both posts contained the word "candidate." One is more speculative than the other?  ???

At any rate, in the absence of any definitive statements, everything is speculation at this point, and we'll just have to wait and see how things shake out. :)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 06, 2020, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: AndOne on May 06, 2020, 06:16:03 PM
Everyone has their own opinion. But the fact is, both posts contained the word "candidate." One is more speculative than the other?  ???

OK, then, to be fair I don't think it was accurate for either of you to use the word "candidate." That's a pretty well-defined term with regard to a job search.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on May 07, 2020, 09:57:38 AM
Instead of debating the word "candidate" Maybe some of you could opine if there is trouble in Loras land.  This Dubuque fan would love to sit down with a cup of coffee and read about a soap opera at the rival of his favorite school  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on May 07, 2020, 10:35:22 AM
Who knows, really?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Titan Q on May 07, 2020, 08:03:14 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on May 07, 2020, 09:57:38 AM
Instead of debating the word "candidate" Maybe some of you could opine if there is trouble in Loras land.  This Dubuque fan would love to sit down with a cup of coffee and read about a soap opera at the rival of his favorite school  ;D

There is no trouble.  Just AndOne trying to stir some up.

Jordan Boyd got kicked off the team at Loras after the Buena Vista game last year.  After that, his twin brother (Jalen) left the team.

Ocean Johnson wanted to be closer to home in Chicago so he transferred to Elmhurst.  (Out of HS last year he almost picked Elmhurst.)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Titan Q on May 14, 2020, 02:27:30 PM
I've learned that Loras head coach Chris Martin is not pursuing the Augustana job.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Titan Q on May 27, 2020, 09:52:44 PM
I've heard Nebraska Wesleyan is getting Ryan Williams, a 6-7 F/C from NAIA Midland. In '17-18 averaged 17.2 ppg, 6.8 rpg, 1st Team All-GPAC. Only played 1 game in '18-19 (injury) and 9 in '19-20. Had 29 & 13 vs Dakota St last yr.  Will be SR.

http://www.midlandathletics.com/roster/16/1/9657.php
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on August 10, 2020, 05:08:55 PM
(https://cdn.prestosports.com/action/cdn/img/mw=710/cr=n/d=ev7hd/sv26ba99wwms5530.jpg)

The off season has hit August and with it has come news of Division III Fall Championships being canceled for the same reason Winter Championships were derailed and Spring Championships pulled earlier this year: COVID 19 Pandemic.

The decision came on the heals of a vast majority of DIII institutions curtailing fall sports and many pushing winter sports starts on their campuses until January at the earliest.

What does this mean for the 2020-21 season of college basketball? Specifically what does it mean for Division III? Will there be a basketball season? Will it be a six-week-or-so-sprint? Or is there a way to adjust things?

On the Mid-Summer edition of the Hoopsville Podcast, we try and get some answers to those questions. We talk to one coach who actually has put together a proposal to start the season in January, with some changes to make it work including crowning a champion in April. And we talk to an administrator who also serves on the DIII Management Council to better under stand the decisions made to cancel championships and if shift a season like basketball is even possible.

Plus, we honor the best of the best in the last decade of Division III women's basketball. Gordon Mann joins us to discuss how the 2nd D3hoops.com Women's All-Decade came together (and hints of work on the men's list).

Guests include:
- Philip Ponder, Oglethorpe men's coach
- Jason Fein, Bates Athletics Director and DIII Management Council member
- Gordon Mann, D3hoops.com Senior Editor

And of course, there is always the Hoopsville Notebook. A few things we take note of that have made headlines since the beginning of July. We also tip our hat to a few of those who have always helped the show be it's best.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on September 08, 2020, 10:25:56 AM
insightful interview with UD head coach Robbie Sieverding:  https://player.fm/series/the-shooters-touch/robbie-sieverding-head-mens-basketball-coach-at-the-university-of-dubuque
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 08, 2020, 08:23:05 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on September 08, 2020, 10:25:56 AM
insightful interview with UD head coach Robbie Sieverding:  https://player.fm/series/the-shooters-touch/robbie-sieverding-head-mens-basketball-coach-at-the-university-of-dubuque

Bonus points to Coach Sieverding for mentioning the Dog House!!!  My old stomping grounds  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 30, 2020, 10:12:40 AM
Former BVU HC  Merritt Ewalt has died at the age of 90.

https://bvuathletics.com/news/2020/9/30/general-bvu-hall-of-fame-coach-remembered-for-his-connections.aspx (https://bvuathletics.com/news/2020/9/30/general-bvu-hall-of-fame-coach-remembered-for-his-connections.aspx)

From the article...

Another favorite tale involved a night in which Merritt Ewalt was locked out of a gymnasium in which his team was playing.
"Luther College had a fire or some sort of damage to its gymnasium on campus, so one year they had to play in a high school gym in Decorah," Steve says. "My dad was always pretty vocal during games and he was upset about something and, as legend would have it, he walked to the end of the bench and pushed a door open beyond the baseline and stepped outside."
The episode likely happened during halftime.
"Well, the door shut behind him and was locked," Steve continues. "It forced my dad to have to walk around the school and come back in through the front entrance. They tried to charge him admission for a game in which he was coaching."


I love stories like that!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: jaybird44 on October 29, 2020, 07:23:49 PM
Hello friends!

It seems that I have been the only member of the only (unofficial) fall sport at WashU, with my 100-mile ultramarathon attempt earlier this month to promote the fight for a cure during Rett Syndrome Awareness Month.  That attempt fell a bit short in miles and fundraising, so I'm going into overtime to try and reach $5,000 in donations.

Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K will commence Friday, October 30 at 8 pm Central, and end at 8 am Halloween morning.  Counting donations received (thanks to retired WashU men's basketball coach Mark Edwards and his wife Mary, and to Mike McGrath and his  University of Chicago men's basketball program for their donations!) and those yet to be sent and processed, I am at $4,440.53.  Very, very close to my goal...which will fund a researcher's work for a month.  Wouldn't it be cool if he or she cracked the code for a cure of Rett syndrome, on our dime?!

I reached 86 miles in my "Rett Gets Rocked Virtual Ultra Weekend" October 3-4.  I'm very proud of that result, but there's more work to be done.  Proceeds from the event will be split between Rettsyndrome.org (the only national organization spearheading research and providing resources for affected patients and their families) and the Rett Spectrum Clinic--a collaboration between the WashU School of Medicine and St. Louis Children's Hospital.

Rett syndrome is a rare, non-inherited neurological disorder that is caused by a gene mutation in the brain.  Rett strikes typically when a child is 6-18 months old, and it has the characteristics of ALS, autism, epilepsy, and Parkinson's...all rolled into one sinister disorder.
It takes away the child's ability to move and communicate.  Most of them end up in wheelchairs with active minds, but mired in the physical rubble that Rett creates.  And, the neurological damage prevents verbal communication and arm and hand movement for sign language.

In essence, Rett does to a child what Lucy in the "Peanuts" comic strip does to Charlie Brown when he tries to kick the football that she is holding.  The only difference is that Charlie Brown can get back up to try again.  Those who are afflicted with Rett syndrome don't get another chance to enjoy a vibrant life.

Researchers are working to re-engineer the gene mutation that turns on Rett, so it can be forever turned off.  Four drug therapies are in the FDA review pipeline, with one (trofanitide) one level away from review.  And, iPad tablets with retinal scan technology are giving those with Rett a voice they haven't had since they were toddlers.

The full court press on Rett is paying off.  You can help keep the pressure on Rett, by going to my Rett Racers donation page:  https://rettracer.everydayhero.com/us/rett-gets-rocked-2020

Thanks for your time and consideration, and let's hope that we get back to playing and broadcasting sports much sooner than later!

Jay Murry
Play-By-Play Announcer, Washington University in St. Louis
Event Director, Rett Gets Rocked 50K for $5K
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 18, 2020, 06:00:10 PM
The conference announces their Winter and Fall-to-Spring sports schedules.

https://rollrivers.com/news/2020/11/18/football-a-r-c-announces-winter-and-fall-to-spring-sports-schedules.aspx (https://rollrivers.com/news/2020/11/18/football-a-r-c-announces-winter-and-fall-to-spring-sports-schedules.aspx)

From the article...

The basketball schedule is slated to start January 23 with a round-robin of eight conference games. Due to the limited schedule, the Presidents Council approved nine-team conference tournaments the week of March 1. The one-year exception expands the tournaments from their usual number of six teams.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 10, 2021, 08:04:15 PM
We are 1 week into the 2021 season.

Games so far...

01/03 - Edgewood 71 - 70 Wartburg in Waverly
01/10 - Dubuque  99 - 69 Edgewood in Dubuque

Games this week...

01/12 - Simpson @ Wartburg (non-con)
01/13 - North Central (MN) @ Dubuque
01/13 - Loras @ Concordia (WI)
01/14 - Coe @ Luther (non-con)
01/16 - Wartburg @ Dubuque (non-con)
01/16 - Coe @ Simpson (non-con)
01/17 - Loras @ Edgewood
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 11, 2021, 10:28:19 AM
UD 99 Edgewood 69  Good to finally see some hoops!

UD had the offense clicking against an Edgewood team who had beaten Northwestern, MN. and Wartburg both on the road.  Lots of weapons for the Spartans.  Non-con this week against North Central, MN. then an interesting matchup Saturday vs. Wartburg.  Let's hope for a safe and fun season!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 17, 2021, 08:46:50 AM
ARC off to a start, albeit a rocky start with some cancellations. 

UD off to a great start at 3-0, including a convincing 88-71 home non-con win over Wartburg yesterday.  Patrick Mayfield has scored over 20 points in each game and this team feels like chemistry and teamwork has improved over last year's squad.  UD picked fourth in the ARC, early returns suggest they could be a contender for a title.

There are questions at the top of the ARC.  Loras loses season opener 96-84 to CUW, a team they probably should have beaten.  Perennial national power NWU is a question mark having lost those 5 seniors; picked second in the conference, will be interesting to see what they bring to the table and if Wellman changes his system at all with new personnel. 

Here's hoping the games can continue!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 26, 2021, 11:25:11 AM
ARC play is lurching along as multiple teams have games cancelled or postponed due to apparent virus issues.  Observations:

UD off to a 4-0 start, convincing win over Simpson on the road last Saturday.  Home vs. Coe tomorrow.  Note that Coe played UNI very tough last night in a 70-60 loss!  This will be a barometer game for both teams. 

Loras rebounded from the CUW loss with a close, unimpressive win over a mediocre Edgewood team but has not played since. 

BV is 1-0 with a nice road win, 82-78 over Wartburg.

NWU, Central, and Luther all appear to have virus problems and have not yet played. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 28, 2021, 10:43:40 AM
UD with a wire to wire 86-71 win over Coe to go to 5-0. 

UD attack led by Ragan with 20 and Mayfield with 19, balanced scoring throughout--this is a team that can hurt you at all three levels.  UD is putting up 82.29 ppg, around a top 30 Massey offense in a normal year.  Granted, it's a small sample size, very encouraging signs and a fun scoring team to watch.

Among all this optimism is the hard reality of sports in 2021, this was the only ARC game of four that was actually played last night.  Several programs appear to be in pause mode, UD game with UNW this weekend is postponed, and the calendar isn't stopping for anyone, so I would have real concerns about whether or not this semblance of a season will be completed and a conference tournament played.  Simpson @ BV and Rockford @ Loras are scheduled for tonight, we shall see if they go off.

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on January 29, 2021, 07:17:54 PM
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The Division III basketball season technically started nearly three months ago, but it has taken until the end of January for it to start feeling like the season is really underway. Even so, only about a quarter of the division has played just a single game. Another quarter of the division will never take to the court. And in between is wide gulf of different options.

On the first video-version of Hoopsville this season, Dave McHugh is joined by much of the D3hoops.com crew, Pat Coleman and Ryan Scott, to react to what has been one of the more unique seasons ... to say it lightly.

We react to the challenges schools are facing, what coaches are grappling with on a daily basis - especially beyond games and practices, and why schools are making so many different decisions.

We also discuss what is likely the future of this season's NCAA Championship Tournaments and, more importantly, when the decision on those tournaments will be made.

Plus, will there be a Top 25? No. Well, yes. Kind of. Tune in to learn more on what's coming. Plus a lot more including Dave spinning off Pat's thoughts on those wishing to attend games.

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Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 30, 2021, 08:12:09 PM
Coe wins at home 84-64 over Simpson
Dubuque with the road win 72-55 over Wartburg

Dubuque looking good so far.  Really hoping the conference can make it to the finish line. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 01, 2021, 11:26:31 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on January 30, 2021, 08:12:09 PM
Coe wins at home 84-64 over Simpson
Dubuque with the road win 72-55 over Wartburg

Dubuque looking good so far.  Really hoping the conference can make it to the finish line.

Loras also beat up a weak looking Rockford team 97-90.  Tonight Loras travels to BV in a big ARC game that will give us another data point with which to begin to evaluate the conference.  Wednesday night Loras travels up the street to UD for the Key City Clash: Pandemic Edition. Should be a great game, fingers crossed it goes off. NWU is also on the schedule that night, traveling to BV in what would be a very difficult first game. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 03, 2021, 07:45:23 PM
DIII Championships are official canceled: https://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2021/02/committee-decides-championships-fate
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 04, 2021, 08:40:46 AM
Wednesday night I believe was our first full night of games.

Coe 84-82 Wartburg
Simpson 80-61 Central
BVU 76-64 NWU
Dubuque 99-91 Loras

Dubuque 3-0
BVU........3-1
Coe........2-1
Loras.......1-1
Simpson.1-2
Luther....0-0
Central...0-1
NWU......0-1
Wartburg 0-3
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 04, 2021, 12:04:14 PM
UD 99 Loras 91

Huge win for the Spartans, offensive firepower overwhelms preseason ARC favorite, rival, and quality team Loras.  Mayfield, Ragan, and Kilburg all go for 20+.  Spartans are a potent and balanced offensive squad. They belong in the national conversation.

BV 76 NWU 64 

The box score for this one apparently disappeared into the Oak Island swamp, but it looks like BV had an easy time here, leading by as much as 22 in the second half.  It isn't fair to evaluate such a great program on the merits of their first game of the season on the road in a tough gym, although the Prairie Wolves Death Star doesn't appear to be the same threat with that national champion group graduated (no huge surprise).

Simpson 80 Central 61

Storm pick up their first win of the year against a Dutch team playing their first game. Again hard to evaluate off of one game, Central does have Mauck and Flinn, who combined 6-22 from the field last night.

Coe 84 Wartburg 82 OT

Wartburg's woes continue, very tough to lose at home in overtime.  Both of these teams have some talent and are solid, can they break into the top tier for the tournament?  Coe will have Loras, NWU, and BV down the stretch.





Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2021, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 04, 2021, 12:04:14 PM
UD 99 Loras 91

Huge win for the Spartans, offensive firepower overwhelms preseason ARC favorite, rival, and quality team Loras.  Mayfield, Ragan, and Kilburg all go for 20+.  Spartans are a potent and balanced offensive squad. They belong in the national conversation.

I'm not sure how much of a "national conversation" there's going to be this season, now that the D3 tourney has been deep-sixed for the second year in a row.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 04, 2021, 12:34:19 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 04, 2021, 12:22:08 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 04, 2021, 12:04:14 PM
UD 99 Loras 91

Huge win for the Spartans, offensive firepower overwhelms preseason ARC favorite, rival, and quality team Loras.  Mayfield, Ragan, and Kilburg all go for 20+.  Spartans are a potent and balanced offensive squad. They belong in the national conversation.

I'm not sure how much of a "national conversation" there's going to be this season, now that the D3 tourney has been deep-sixed for the second year in a row.

It's a bummer to be sure. Had a good chance to be the ARC rep at the big dance.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2021, 09:06:21 AM
The schedule for today...has anyone heard if they are all supposed to be played?

NWU @ Loras  11am
BVU @ Luther  2pm
Coe @ Central  2pm
Simpson @ Dubuque 2pm

Who has some analysis for me?!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 06, 2021, 01:10:12 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 06, 2021, 09:06:21 AM
The schedule for today...has anyone heard if they are all supposed to be played?

NWU @ Loras  11am
BVU @ Luther  2pm
Coe @ Central  2pm
Simpson @ Dubuque 2pm

Who has some analysis for me?!

It looks like everything is a go.  Loras was handling NWU at the half--NWU running the same stuff they have the last few years, but there is no replacing Schimonitz and Co.  This is good for more parity in the ARC going forward.

BV should beat Luther, Luther's first game, though, so who knows.  Coe and UD are big favorites.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2021, 01:56:09 PM
New question.  How does a 9 team tournament work compared to the 6 team tourney?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 06, 2021, 01:59:52 PM
Loras 105 NWU 97 OT

Entertaining ending in Dubuque.    NWU goes on a 21-0 run in the last 4:30 of regulation to force overtime before Duhawks wake up and hit 3 three pointers in the extra frame to close it out.  Fun stat of the day: teams combine on 90 three point attempts (36-90).
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 06, 2021, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 06, 2021, 01:56:09 PM
New question.  How does a 9 team tournament work compared to the 6 team tourney?

9 vs. 8 play in, winner plays 1. 

8/9 vs. 1
7 vs. 2
6 vs. 3
5 vs. 4
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 06, 2021, 02:10:34 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 06, 2021, 02:02:13 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 06, 2021, 01:56:09 PM
New question.  How does a 9 team tournament work compared to the 6 team tourney?

9 vs. 8 play in, winner plays 1. 

8/9 vs. 1
7 vs. 2
6 vs. 3
5 vs. 4

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 17, 2021, 02:38:43 PM
2/17  UD 104 Central 82 Another huge offensive night for the Spartans.  63% from three is the difference.  UD goes to 9-0 and again shows they deserve that national ranking. 

Unfortunately, it looks like the ARC is in a deep freeze.  UD/BV and Wartburg/Loras postponed tonight, althought Loras and NWU who haven't played in forever are both slated for tonight.  Hopefully everyone can get healthy in the next week or 10 days and have a semi-normal conference tournament to cap this crazy "season."
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 18, 2021, 02:45:15 PM
I can report...nothing. None of those schedule games happened. NWU/Luther and Wartburg/Cental now on the schedule for Saturday, but not betting your house that they happen.

Retro report:  From Sunday Coe 112 Finlandia 62 Finlandia swoops out of their great northern lair (they're in quarantine even in non-pandemic years) for their annual Washington Generals tour of the upper midwest.  See:  Iowa Wesleyan 94 Finlandia 65, Martin Luther 91 Finlandia 83, Lakeland 101 Finlandia 66
The Lions are riding a cool 52 game losing streak if you're keeping track at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2021, 03:26:40 PM
I'm dying to know why Finlandia doesn't schedule Maranatha Baptist. Which one is ducking the other?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 18, 2021, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2021, 03:26:40 PM
I'm dying to know why Finlandia doesn't schedule Maranatha Baptist. Which one is ducking the other?

Throw Caltech into the mix.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 18, 2021, 05:49:22 PM
Please let us complete the season.  I want to see a regular season/tournament double by the Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 18, 2021, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2021, 03:26:40 PM
I'm dying to know why Finlandia doesn't schedule Maranatha Baptist. Which one is ducking the other?

Throw Caltech into the mix.

No. Caltech is half a continent away, and Finlandia is a school that most certainly does not have the athletics budget to fly to SoCal in order to play one opponent. Besides, Caltech isn't even playing basketball this season. Caltech is therefore irrelevant to the matter of curing what ails Finlandia basketball.

Meanwhile, Finlandia and Maranatha Baptist are a 5 1/2 hour busride apart, which by Finlandia standards is a hop, skip, and a jump. Six of the eight four-year schools that the Lions were originally supposed to play this season are further away than Watertown, WI, where Maranatha Baptist is located.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on February 18, 2021, 10:29:35 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2021, 06:55:46 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 18, 2021, 05:35:13 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on February 18, 2021, 03:26:40 PM
I'm dying to know why Finlandia doesn't schedule Maranatha Baptist. Which one is ducking the other?

Throw Caltech into the mix.

No. Caltech is half a continent away, and Finlandia is a school that most certainly does not have the athletics budget to fly to SoCal in order to play one opponent. Besides, Caltech isn't even playing basketball this season. Caltech is therefore irrelevant to the matter of curing what ails Finlandia basketball.

Meanwhile, Finlandia and Maranatha Baptist are a 5 1/2 hour busride apart, which by Finlandia standards is a hop, skip, and a jump. Six of the eight four-year schools that the Lions were originally supposed to play this season are further away than Watertown, WI, where Maranatha Baptist is located.

Besides which, Caltech has lately been threatening to become downright respectable in basketball!  Not good, mind you, but respectable.  For 2018-2020, they went 21-29.  And even in their losses, they no longer lose by Finlandia-type margins.  So, yeah - even if they could afford to go to SoCal, scheduling Caltech might not be the way to go! ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 19, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
Ok, the version of Caltech who lost 200+ straight.

There was a pop-up game in the ARC last night:  Loras 84 Wartburg 80  This one was close to the end. Neither team shot it well, and frankly I'm surprised Loras wasn't able to pull away on their home court. Wartburg got 56 points off the bench to nearly pull the upset.

UD appears to be on pause, nothing slated for this weekend.  Fingers crossed that the league can get and stay healthy enough to close out the season and have a tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on February 19, 2021, 11:34:32 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 19, 2021, 11:06:41 AMThere was a pop-up game in the ARC last night:

I love this expression: "pop-up game." It's the perfect term to describe a last-minute scheduling addition put together in this very strange and abbreviated season. Wish I'd thought of it!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on February 19, 2021, 08:56:26 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 19, 2021, 11:06:41 AM
Ok, the version of Caltech who lost 200+ straight.

There was a pop-up game in the ARC last night:  Loras 84 Wartburg 80  This one was close to the end. Neither team shot it well, and frankly I'm surprised Loras wasn't able to pull away on their home court. Wartburg got 56 points off the bench to nearly pull the upset.

UD appears to be on pause, nothing slated for this weekend.  Fingers crossed that the league can get and stay healthy enough to close out the season and have a tournament.

Is it a "pop up" game if it was just rescheduled from the night before?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 23, 2021, 02:47:08 PM
UD ranked 8th in the current D3 top 15.  Deserving ranking, yet Spartans are currently on pause until Saturday vs. Luther.  Hopefully the short practice week won't affect too much and may allow some guys to get healthy.  @ BV and @ NWU will be two huge tests next week. 

NWU 75 Crown 54    Easy non-con stay  busy win for the Wolves.

Wartburg 69 Luther 47  Norse fall to 0-5

Coe 85 Loras 81  Game of the night.  Nothing is ever easy on the road but thought Loras was clearly the better team going into this one.  Close game all the way, Loras led 81-80 with :20 left, Coe defended the possession well and McGowan missed contested corner three as shot clock expired.   Schmidt got into a one-on-one situation in transition and hit a mid range jumper with :10 left that would be the winner. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 24, 2021, 03:21:30 PM
Upcoming ARC game predictions:

Wed, 2/24

Luther @ Coe -17  Kohawks sink the Norse

Loras   @ Concordia Chicago +9  Cougar sightings in the prairie state are exceedingly rare events.  CU winning this would be a cougar sighting. 

Thurs, 2/25

BV @ NWU -4 NWU's first home game of the year.  Huge game, could go down to the wire, home court advantage will win out.  Fun one to watch here.   

Sat, 2/27

Luther @ UD  -21 Spartans sink the norse

NWU @ Wartburg  +3  Wartburg is 3-6 but had shown better than their record in close losses to BV, Coe, and Loras.  I feel like they'll put it all together on Senior Day and win a close one. 

Loras  @ Simpson +2  Duhawks should cruise here.  Simpson is really a one-man show with Honz, and that isn't enough to take this one.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 25, 2021, 10:39:24 AM
Luther 86  Coe 78 

Flippant predictions rarely go unpunished.  The Norse conquer the Kohawks in a stunner on the road.  Jadyn Torres had a nice game for Luther with 22 pts. 9-10 FT.  Free throws were the statistical difference, Luther 17-20, Coe 7-7.  Coe certainly looked like the better team with the eye test, but that's why they...you know the rest...Luther's 56 bench points were huge, Blumberg and Westhusing combined for 30. 

This result adds a bit of intrigue to the Luther/UD matchup on Saturday, Luther will be riding the momentum of this win vs. UD just coming off pause trying to shake rust with a short practice week and several players injured/out. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2021, 10:59:36 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 25, 2021, 10:39:24 AM
Luther 86  Coe 78 

Flippant predictions rarely go unpunished.  The Norse conquer the Kohawks in a stunner on the road.  Jadyn Torres had a nice game for Luther with 22 pts. 9-10 FT.  Free throws were the statistical difference, Luther 17-20, Coe 7-7.  Coe certainly looked like the better team with the eye test, but that's why they...you know the rest...Luther's 56 bench points were huge, Blumberg and Westhusing combined for 30. 

This result adds a bit of intrigue to the Luther/UD matchup on Saturday, Luther will be riding the momentum of this win vs. UD just coming off pause trying to shake rust with a short practice week and several players injured/out.

Perhaps luckily for me, i will be following my wife around as she looks for antique doors on Saturday.  I won't get chest pains and pull my hair out while watching the UD/Luther game that way  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 28, 2021, 05:04:52 PM
6-0 Dubuque @ 5-1 BVU will be a big game tomorrow!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 01, 2021, 11:43:23 AM
UD 94 Luther 70  Spartans come off pause like it didn't happen and roll the Norse behind 54.5 fg% and 43.5 3%.  UD offense is potent--the best player in the conference this year, Patrick Mayfield, only scores 11, yet Spartans still put up 94.

Simpson 102 Loras 100 2 OT   This is one is baffling.  Loras is clearly the more talented team, all their normal starters played, yet somehow managed to make Curren, who had gone 2-11 from the field in his last game, look like James Harden as he dropped 43 on the Duhawks.  Go figure.

Huge game tonight (#8) UD 10-0 travels to Storm Lake vs. (RV) BV 6-1. Both programs were recently on pause, gotta think anything can happen here.  UD is the more talented and complete team, but never know on the road with a long bus ride against a quality program.  Mayfield looks to come off a down statistical game matched up with a great scorer tonight in Demers.  Should be a good one. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 01, 2021, 09:55:52 PM
With the Dubuque victory over BVU, does this mean UD is the conference regular season champion?  Or is the conference only crowning a tourney champ this year?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 02, 2021, 02:52:59 PM
UD 76 BV 67  Huge win for the Spartans.  Covid context: BV had been affected by other team's protocols yet had 19 days of practice with no tune up to game plan and prepare for this vs. UD no activity for 10 days, 4 days of practice and tune up vs. Luther.  I figure it comes out in the wash. 

The first half saw BV able to control tempo and take UD out of their normal transition pace of play. The Beavers were also able to keep the ball out of the hands of the most talented player in the conference in my estimation, Patrick Mayfield.  UD adjusted some in the second half, got Mayfield into some one-on-one situations where he's lethal as a driving 6' 5" guard.  UD also just flat out made shots. 6-10 from three in the second half trumped BV's 0-14.  Bench sub Josh Hammer hit two, and then late defensive breakdowns led to two open top of the key extended 3s for 40%+ three shooters, Fitzpatrick off the bounce and Zimmerman off the pick and pop, both to extend BV runs out to three possessions.  Thompson had a big game for BV with 28, but not enough to counter the UD shooting in the second half. 

I would highlight the significance of Sam Kilburg to UD's success, 21 pts. 6 reb. last night--at 5' 10" the freshman plays like a senior, and I would dare say is the best point guard in the ARC right now, or at least in the conversation.  He's a high-level decision maker and has that knack for burrowing into the paint against bigger defenders and scoring or dishing or posting up smaller guards and finishing with an array of crafty moves. Oh, and he can make the three, 3-4 last night. Huge difference maker for this team.

Unfortunately Saturday's game against NWU is cancelled, they seem to have been the most protocol affected team in the ARC.  It's on to the conference tournament, which hopefully can play out.  Doolittle, no direct answer to your question, but would assume the tournament title would weight more heavily considering the imbalance in games played.  UD will get home court advantage all the way through, huge, although by no means a gimme as the top 4 or 5 seeds are all dangerous. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 10, 2021, 06:24:46 AM
American Rivers Conference Tournament

The ARC will have a champion other than Neb. Wesleyan for the first time in four years.

NWU 58 UD 65  Rare off shooting night for the Spartans leads to a defensive battle.  Mayfield and Kilburg combined 2-19 from the field, but senior Peter Ragan steps up huge with 32 points.  Spartans go to 12-0 and move on to face Coe in semis.

Simpson 88 Coe 94  Kruse, Auen, and Schmitt all score 20+ as Kohawks beat Storm. 

Central 97 Loras 95 OT  6 seed Dutch shock 3 seed Duhawks.  Stunner of the evening.  Central hadn't won in a month and fights off late Loras charge to move on.

Wartburg 70 BV 96  Beavers roll behind 24 from Demers. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 10, 2021, 08:27:26 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on March 10, 2021, 06:24:46 AM
American Rivers Conference Tournament

The ARC will have a champion other than Neb. Wesleyan for the first time in four years.

NWU 58 UD 65  Rare off shooting night for the Spartans leads to a defensive battle.  Mayfield and Kilburg combined 2-19 from the field, but senior Peter Ragan steps up huge with 32 points.  Spartans go to 12-0 and move on to face Coe in semis.

Simpson 88 Coe 94  Kruse, Auen, and Schmitt all score 20+ as Kohawks beat Storm. 

Central 97 Loras 95 OT  6 seed Dutch shock 3 seed Duhawks.  Stunner of the evening.  Central hadn't won in a month and fights off late Loras charge to move on.

Wartburg 70 BV 96  Beavers roll behind 24 from Demers.

I see this as a positive for UD.  If Mayfield and Kilburg can go 2-19 and the Spartans still pick up a win, that is impressive!

Home team wins with Coe over Simpson which is about what was expected.

Central winning at Loras, as the saying goes, is why we play the game.

BVU as a typically strong team you would expect to win their 1st round game.  What puzzles me is how much of a yo-yo team Wartburg seems to be.  I haven't looked it up, but Wartburg seems to be either near the top of the league or at the bottom over the past few years. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 10, 2021, 11:13:26 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 10, 2021, 08:27:26 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on March 10, 2021, 06:24:46 AM


I see this as a positive for UD.  If Mayfield and Kilburg can go 2-19 and the Spartans still pick up a win, that is impressive!

Home team wins with Coe over Simpson which is about what was expected.

Central winning at Loras, as the saying goes, is why we play the game.

BVU as a typically strong team you would expect to win their 1st round game.  What puzzles me is how much of a yo-yo team Wartburg seems to be.  I haven't looked it up, but Wartburg seems to be either near the top of the league or at the bottom over the past few years.

I didn't think the Coe/Simpson game would be that close, but Coe is also very up and down, beating Loras one day and losing to Luther the next.  They are a dangerous, athletic team, should be a good one tomorrow at UD

Wartburg to me just isn't a good offensive team. They have size and athleticism, still in this conference you have to be able to shoot it at a high rate and 43% fg 31% 3fg team shooting just doesn't translate to wins.  They haven't had a consistent scorer since Kickbush and Sabus a couple of years ago.

BV is a handful because they kind of muck things up, hard straight up guarding team. Johnson comes from the Wellman coaching line, BV guards hard much like NWU did last night, makes things difficult for your top options and largely controls tempo.  Tempo is crucial since teams like  Loras, UD, and Coe,  typically like to get out and play fast, get quick transition looks and utilize bench depth scoring. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 14, 2021, 12:50:38 AM
Congrats to the UD Spartans for their 78-64 victory over the BVU Beavers.

So if I understand this correctly.  This year there won't be a conference champion and tournament champion.  Just a conference champ.  But to be named the conference champ, you have to win the conference tournament.  So the conference tourney champ is the conference champ, but not the tourney champ, because they aren't naming a tourney champ.  Not confusing at all.  ;)

In the end, it makes no difference as Dubuque won both.  I just feel like a team than ran the table during the season and the tourney should get to hang two banners in their gym instead of just the one.  But I guess the powers that be at the conference feel otherwise. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 14, 2021, 07:17:29 AM
UD 78 BV 64   Spartans run the table and finish 14-0 with this hard fought win.  What a great cap to such a weird season.  This one was a battle, BV took an early lead and was up by as much as 14 late in the first half behind 21 pts. from Demers.

The second half belonged to Sparty.  UD pulled even at the 7:31 mark and then the special talent of Patrick Mayfield took over.  After being held scoreless in the first half, at 61-60  Mayfield went on a personal 13-0 run behind three 3-pointers and a contested mid-range jumper.  At 6' 5" Mayfield is an elite scorer at this level when he's flowing.  Also huge credit to senior Peter Ragen who absolutely willed this team to victory in the tournament, just hit big shot after big shot, hustle plays and defensive stops on what felt like every possession, Rocky Balboa-esque performance to be sure.

Doolittle, I'm not sure on the championship politics, I guess banners are banners, but it is a shame there is no national tournament.  This is a dangerous team because of the diversity of weapons: Mayfield's scoring, crafty play from freshman Kilburg at the point, grit and fire from Ragen, size and athleticism in multiple unit combinations, and shooters all over the floor.  UD shot 14-27 from three last night, and leads the nation in team three point shooting (finish at 44.8% on 306 attempts).  Great season and most everyone is back next year--the national recognition is warranted and this team will be making noise for years to come.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 14, 2021, 09:59:56 AM
I wish D3 basketball had been able to do what D3 wrestling and track are doing and just put on a tourney on their own.  Would have been fun to see how things play out. 

As far the conference and tourney champs situation, schools like to play up how many conference and tourney titles they have.  It's on the conference website, it's on the different schools websites, it's used in recruiting.  I get they didn't play the typical double round robin this year, but each school was scheduled to play each other once, it's not like football this year with only 3 or 4 teams on the schedule.  It's just my opinion, but I feel like the conference messed up only naming one champion. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 14, 2021, 11:14:55 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 14, 2021, 09:59:56 AM
I wish D3 basketball had been able to do what D3 wrestling and track are doing and just put on a tourney on their own.  Would have been fun to see how things play out. 

As far the conference and tourney champs situation, schools like to play up how many conference and tourney titles they have.  It's on the conference website, it's on the different schools websites, it's used in recruiting.  I get they didn't play the typical double round robin this year, but each school was scheduled to play each other once, it's not like football this year with only 3 or 4 teams on the schedule.  It's just my opinion, but I feel like the conference messed up only naming one champion.

I hear you.  I guess my personal opinion is that since the regular season was so disjointed in terms of pauses for teams and uneven schedules, that it holds less meaning.  NWU only played four conference games, very tough breaks for them. 

But to argue from your perspective, looked at with hindsight, UD went 7-0, no other team had fewer than two losses, and things were settled on the court since UD ultimately beat every team in the conference they deserve a regular season banner.  But if the policy was set before the season that sort of outcome was unknown.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 15, 2021, 03:57:36 PM
Great season for the Spartans, only thing left is to see where things fall nationally in the poll.  My (meaningless) top 10:

1.  RM  12-0
2.  Yeshiva 7-0
3.  St. Thomas 7-0
4.  Trine 17-1
5.  Dubuque 14-0
6.  IWU 8-1
7. Marietta 12-1
8.  UW-Platteville  9-2
9.  Wheaton 12-1
10. DePauw 12-1
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 18, 2021, 11:21:05 AM
Spartans dominate postseason conference awards:

Coach of the Year:  Robbie Sieverding

MVP: Peter Ragen 6' 4" Sr. (presumptive returnee)

Defensive Player of the Year: Brock Simon 6' 5" So.

1st Team All-Conf : Patrick Mayfield 6' 5 So.

2nd Team All-Conf:  Sam Kilburg 5' 10" Fr.

Hon. Mention All-Conf: Levi Scheurmann 6' 4" So., Keegan Zimmerman 6' 8" So.

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 19, 2021, 08:11:08 PM
Granted it was a shortened season, but going undefeated on the way to the ARC Championship should warrant a photo and story on D3Hoops.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on March 19, 2021, 08:16:56 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on March 19, 2021, 08:11:08 PM
Granted it was a shortened season, but going undefeated on the way to the ARC Championship should warrant a photo and story on D3Hoops.

My apologies. I just found both. My bad. ::)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 26, 2021, 10:49:17 AM
In what is "likely" the final basketball poll of the season.  Dubuque finishes 7th in the nation.  The Spartans highest end of season ranking.

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 26, 2021, 11:17:50 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 26, 2021, 10:49:17 AM
In what is "likely" the final basketball poll of the season.  Dubuque finishes 7th in the nation.  The Spartans highest end of season ranking.

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/index

It's a great accomplishment even in this Covid bizzaro year.  I thought top 5 was warranted--undefeated is undefeated-- IWU and Marietta lost to teams who finished 3-11 and 2-6 respectively, but so it goes. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 15, 2021, 02:14:46 PM
Here is a link to a tweet I found interesting.

https://twitter.com/dirttrailrunnr/status/1382714549607002113 (https://twitter.com/dirttrailrunnr/status/1382714549607002113)

I'm old enough to remember when a 6'8 kid was slow, plodding, and camped out under the basket to grab rebounds and take passes from the pg to shoot 5 ft bank shots.  Zimmerman is running the floor and draining 3's like he's a shooting guard.  Fun to watch how the game has changed during my lifetime. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on May 03, 2021, 10:56:42 AM
It will be interesting to see how the Spartans look by November, as of now here is the probable scenario:

Probable Losses

Patrick Mayfield 6'5 G 1st team all-conference 17.1ppg, 18/34 52.9 3 pt. %  It looks like Mayfield may be headed for a Division I roster as a walk-on. Big loss for UD if this pans out.

Avery Butler 6' 8" C 5.3 ppg 4.9 rpg  5th year senior was solid contributor and shot blocker.

Justin Smith 6' 4" F 3.5 ppg 2.5 rpg

Recruits

Cale Amos 6' 0" G
Alex Coppes 5' 10" G 19.8 ppg 50/40/80 as a senior
Jacob Bonnema 6' 5" F
Jamari Ward 6' 1" G
Ethan Ryan 6' 2" G


Probable Returners

Sam Kilburg 5' 9" SO. G 2nd team all-conference 12.6 ppg 45 assists 40.4 3 pt. % Super crafty point guard, heady passer and showed ability to decision make at a high level and score in the paint at his size in multiple ways. Purists delight.

Peter Ragan 6' 4" 5th year senior F, ARC player of the year, 17.8 ppg 6.1 rpg  41.5 3 pt. %  Showed huge offensive improvement at late stage of career, energy guy, warrior every team loves to have.

Levi Scheuermann 6' 3" JR. F honorable mention all-conference, 9.6 ppg 4.5 rpg 50% 3 pt.%  Strong bodied 5 man who has the ability to stretch defenses with timely shooting.

Brock Simon 6' 5" JR. F ARC defensive player of the year, 5.8 ppg 4.2 rpg   Bouncy athletic, can guard multiple positions, showed skill improvement this year.

Keegan Zimmerman 6' 8" JR. F honorable mention all-conference 6 ppg 3.9 rpg 47.4 3 pt.%  Long stretch 4, can shoot three and run the floor, added strength and weight this year, can play 3 through 5.

Trent Fitzpatrick 5' 10' SR. G 4.6 ppg 44 3 pt.% Valuable back up point guard, another three point shooting weapon you can't leave open.

Hunter Snyder 6' 2" JR. G 3.9 ppg 55.6 3 pt.%  Backup guard, yet another three threat.

Carter Stevens 5' 10" JR. G 2.8 ppg   Saw limited action due to injury, but was 14 mpg guy his freshman year as backup point guard.

Josh Hammer 6'2 F JR. G 1.6 ppg Strong body, good defender and energy guy off the bench.



Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2021, 12:42:35 PM

They took Mayfield off the 20-21 roster page, so I'd suspect he's gone.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on May 11, 2021, 07:25:06 PM
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on May 03, 2021, 12:42:35 PM

They took Mayfield off the 20-21 roster page, so I'd suspect he's gone.

Mayfield officially committed to D1 University of Akron.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on June 12, 2021, 11:51:13 AM
Word is UD will travel down rt. 61 to open @Augustana.  Spartans vs. Vikings, let's go!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on July 29, 2021, 01:20:19 PM
UD 2021-22 schedule is posted:    https://udspartans.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule

Good matchup with Augustana, otherwise relatively easy non-cons with Blackburn, UW-Stout, Edgewood, and Finlandia.  Tournaments in Memphis and Ft. Lauderdale.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 30, 2021, 11:52:11 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on July 29, 2021, 01:20:19 PM
UD 2021-22 schedule is posted:    https://udspartans.com/sports/mens-basketball/schedule

Good matchup with Augustana, otherwise relatively easy non-cons with Blackburn, UW-Stout, Edgewood, and Finlandia.  Tournaments in Memphis and Ft. Lauderdale.

Any recruiting news? Everybody coming back...other than Mayfield?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on August 10, 2021, 02:26:21 PM
NWU RECRUITS

Seth Newton, 6'5" PG/SG from Canon City, CO who averaged 13.9 PPG, 8.1 RPG, 5.6 APG

Carter Glenn, 5'11" SG/PG from Lincoln East who averaged 19.4 PPG,4.6 RPG, 3.7 APG

Brayton Christensen, 6'5" SF from Lincoln Southwest who averaged 11.3 PPG, 3.2 RPG, 1.2 APG
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on August 11, 2021, 06:02:39 PM
LORAS RECRUITS

Tyler Bass, 6'5" 160 lb Wing from Washington IL HS (couldn't find stats)

Connor Benson, 6'5" 195 SF/PF from St. Viator HS in Arlington Htgs, IL (no stats)

Kyle Traphagan, 6'3" Wing from Geneseo IL HS who averaged 9.3 PPG, 3.2 RPG, and 2.7 APG

Jared Pearson, 6'1" SG from Maine West in Des Plaines IL who averaged 19.1 PPG, 7.1 RPG, and shot 41% from the field, 35% from three, and 81% from the line.

Garrett Burdin, 6'2" 175 SG from Rochelle IL HS who averaged 19.2 PPG, and 7.2 RPG, and shot 45.1% from the field, and 37.4% from three.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on August 12, 2021, 01:22:40 PM
BUENA VISTA RECRUIT

Mitchell Brooks, a 6'0" 180 lb PG from Ridgewood HS in Woodhull, IL who averaged 15 PPG, 3 RPG, and 2.3 APG, and shot 40% from the field, and 76% from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 12, 2021, 01:53:12 PM
Next Man Up with the recruiting info. Thanks for the updates...and keep it coming!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on August 13, 2021, 12:24:57 AM
CENTRAL RECRUITS

Nick Reid, 6'1" 165 lb PG from Marmion Military Academy in Aurora, IL (can't find any stats)

Jake Harris, 6'3" 225 F from Chicago Mt. Carmel averaged 1.5 PPG, and 1.0 RPG

Chase Divito, 6'4" 190 SF from Yorkville Christian averaged 7.5 PPG, 5.3 RPG, and 2.0 APG

Sean Czajkowski, 6'4" 175 SF from Taylorville, IL HS averaged 7.0 PPG, and 4.0 RPG. 55% from the field, 72% from the line.

Tyler Wildermuth, 5'11" PG from York HS in Elmhurst, IL averaged 12.0 PPG, and 4.0 APG

Wyatt Shirley, 6'2" PG from Taylorville IL HS averaged 14.7 PPG, 3.7 RPG, and 3.8 APG. Shot 52% from the field, and 77% from the line

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on August 13, 2021, 09:50:15 AM
From Next Man Up
Central - 6 recruits, all from Illinois
BVU - 1 recruit...from Illinois
Loras - 6 recruits, all from Illinois

Seems to be a lack of Iowa talent heading towards the ARC schools so far.  Also a lack of big men.  6'5 seems to be the limit at this point. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on August 13, 2021, 01:05:45 PM
DUBUQUE RECRUIT

Jacob Bonnema, a 6'5" Wing from Glenbard North in Carol Stream, IL. The only stat available is a FT percentage of 72.3.

I think he is a pretty good player—whatever his stats were he probably is better than whatever his numbers were. I say that because he was probably the best player on a traditionally bad team (1-10 last yr), and I sense that he was often the primary object of the opponent's defensive game plan as he was the GN player who could do the most damage.

** As doolittledog mentioned above, all the recruits I've reported on are from Illinois. That's because I'm in Illinois.
I'm involved with the CCIW, and am pretty familiar with the Illinois recruiting scene. I'm sure the vast majority of ARC recruits, with the likely exception of NWU (where I played many yrs ago 🙂) are from Iowa. I believe thats a logical assumption. The above recruits pretty much cover Illinois recruits headed to ARC schools this year. There may be a few more out there, but I was unable to find any more from the lists/records available to me. It's likely some self-recruited kids fall in this category. Not to say there aren't any, but I was also unable to find any IL kids headed to Coe, Luther, Simpson or Wartburg this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on August 19, 2021, 03:28:01 PM
UD news

Trent Fitzpatrick transferring to St. Ambrose

Dylan Anderson transferring in from Dominican--6' 4" JR played 34 mpg for a team that went 1-8 in the spring, 10.8 ppg and 9.2 rpg.  Will likely factor in somewhere in the rotation. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Smitty Oom on August 20, 2021, 07:30:21 AM
Quote from: Next Man Up on August 13, 2021, 01:05:45 PM
DUBUQUE RECRUIT

Jacob Bonnema, a 6'5" Wing from Glenbard North in Carol Stream, IL. The only stat available is a FT percentage of 72.3.

I think he is a pretty good player—whatever his stats were he probably is better than whatever his numbers were. I say that because he was probably the best player on a traditionally bad team (1-10 last yr), and I sense that he was often the primary object of the opponent's defensive game plan as he was the GN player who could do the most damage.

** As doolittledog mentioned above, all the recruits I've reported on are from Illinois. That's because I'm in Illinois.
I'm involved with the CCIW, and am pretty familiar with the Illinois recruiting scene. I'm sure the vast majority of ARC recruits, with the likely exception of NWU (where I played many yrs ago 🙂) are from Iowa. I believe thats a logical assumption. The above recruits pretty much cover Illinois recruits headed to ARC schools this year. There may be a few more out there, but I was unable to find any more from the lists/records available to me. It's likely some self-recruited kids fall in this category. Not to say there aren't any, but I was also unable to find any IL kids headed to Coe, Luther, Simpson or Wartburg this year.

Thanks for all the updates!!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on August 20, 2021, 03:29:57 PM
Welcome Smitty. 👍
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on September 14, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
A look at UD's non-con schedule.

Probable cupcakes vs. Blackburn, vs. Edgewood, @ Wisconsin Dells vs. Finlandia. 

Games of high interest @Augustana  (huge early season road game vs. CCIW opponent), @ Rhodes Tourney in Memphis, TN vs. Rhodes and Wash U., vs. UW-Stout, vs. TBA in Ft. Lauderdale Tourney.

There is a also rumor of a possible D-1 opponent. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 15, 2021, 06:51:25 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on September 14, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
A look at UD's non-con schedule.

Probable cupcakes vs. Blackburn, vs. Edgewood, @ Wisconsin Dells vs. Finlandia. 

Games of high interest @Augustana  (huge early season road game vs. CCIW opponent), @ Rhodes Tourney in Memphis, TN vs. Rhodes and Wash U., vs. UW-Stout, vs. TBA in Ft. Lauderdale Tourney.

There is a also rumor of a possible D-1 opponent.

UNI once again?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on September 17, 2021, 03:14:34 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on September 15, 2021, 06:51:25 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on September 14, 2021, 11:08:42 AM
A look at UD's non-con schedule.

Probable cupcakes vs. Blackburn, vs. Edgewood, @ Wisconsin Dells vs. Finlandia. 

Games of high interest @Augustana  (huge early season road game vs. CCIW opponent), @ Rhodes Tourney in Memphis, TN vs. Rhodes and Wash U., vs. UW-Stout, vs. TBA in Ft. Lauderdale Tourney.

There is a also rumor of a possible D-1 opponent.

UNI once again?

Yes, UNI again, although I don't see UD posted on their just released non-con schedule, so this might not be happening.  I suppose it could be an unlisted exhibition. 

Opponents announced for Ft. Lauderdale Tourney  vs. Baldwin-Wallace (2-6 in 20-21 but traditionally a strong program) vs. Roanoke College (10-2 in 20-21 good matchup here)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on October 05, 2021, 11:14:49 AM
UD will play at D-1 Northern Iowa on Sunday, 11/14.

A brief recent history of UNI vs. non D-1 opponents:


1/25/21 Coe W 70-60
12/4/20 St Ambrose W 98-53
12/2/19 Luther W 110-51
11/20/19 Cornell W 88-66
12/8/18 UD W 75-67
10/28/18 Wartburg W 110-69
12/10/17 UD W 80-47
11/15/17 Wartburg W 72-43
11/12/16 Coe W 74-37
10/28/16 Bemidji St. W 71-48
11/25/15 UD W 83-63
11/1/15 Truman St. W 70-50

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on October 22, 2021, 11:44:10 AM
UD has added a season opener @ Wisconsin Platteville on November 3rd to their schedule.  :o :o :o

I'm not sure if this is a live regular season game or scrimmage   

Preseason #5 UWP vs. #16 Dubuque will be a must-watch either way.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 22, 2021, 12:45:46 PM
It's a scrimmage. UW-Platteville doesn't even list the contest on its schedule, an omission that is a common practice in D3 basketball when it comes to preseason scrimmages.

You can tell for certain by counting the number of games listed on the UD online schedule. There are 27 of them, and D3 teams are only allowed to play 25 regular-season games plus two games that are either exhibitions (as the contest versus Northern Iowa obviously is) or preseason scrimmages. Given the early date of the game, the fact that it was just added to the UD website at this late date, and the additional fact that the Pioneers don't list it on the UWP website, there's no doubt in my mind that the Spartans and the Pioneers will be playing a preseason scrimmage.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on October 22, 2021, 02:04:01 PM
Quote from: Gregory Sager on October 22, 2021, 12:45:46 PM
It's a scrimmage. UW-Platteville doesn't even list the contest on its schedule, an omission that is a common practice in D3 basketball when it comes to preseason scrimmages.

You can tell for certain by counting the number of games listed on the UD online schedule. There are 27 of them, and D3 teams are only allowed to play 25 regular-season games plus two games that are either exhibitions (as the contest versus Northern Iowa obviously is) or preseason scrimmages. Given the early date of the game, the fact that it was just added to the UD website at this late date, and the additional fact that the Pioneers don't list it on the UWP website, there's no doubt in my mind that the Spartans and the Pioneers will be playing a preseason scrimmage.

A reasonable response, Mr. Sager, we'll go with scrimmage. It has to be fairly rare that two ranked teams separated by a 30 minute drive agree to a preseason game.  Exciting stuff.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on October 22, 2021, 02:54:52 PM

The season doesn't start until Nov 5th, so a game on the third is definitely pre season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on October 22, 2021, 08:06:40 PM
I wasn't sure what the opening date was this year, which is why I didn't mention that -- although I figured that the 3rd would most likely be before it.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on October 27, 2021, 03:22:12 PM
American Rivers Preseason Poll:

1.      Dubuque (8)    64    14-0, 7-0 A-R-C (A-R-C Champions)
2.      Buena Vista (1)    51    9-3, 6-2 A-R-C 
3.      Coe    50    6-5, 3-4 A-R-C 
4.      Loras    47    7-5, 4-3 A-R-C 
5.      Nebraska Wesleyan    34    3-3, 1-2 A-R-C 
6.      Simpson    29    3-7, 3-4 A-R-C 
7.      Wartburg    22    4-7, 2-4 A-R-C 
8.      Central    19    3-4, 2-3 A-R-C 
9.      Luther    8    1-8, 1-7 A-R-C 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on October 27, 2021, 03:23:40 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on October 27, 2021, 03:22:12 PM
American Rivers Preseason Poll:

1.      Dubuque (8)    64    14-0, 7-0 A-R-C (A-R-C Champions)
2.      Buena Vista (1)    51    9-3, 6-2 A-R-C 
3.      Coe    50    6-5, 3-4 A-R-C 
4.      Loras    47    7-5, 4-3 A-R-C 
5.      Nebraska Wesleyan    34    3-3, 1-2 A-R-C 
6.      Simpson    29    3-7, 3-4 A-R-C 
7.      Wartburg    22    4-7, 2-4 A-R-C 
8.      Central    19    3-4, 2-3 A-R-C 
9.      Luther    8    1-8, 1-7 A-R-C

My American Rivers Preseason Ranks:

1. UD
2. BV
3. Loras
4. NWU
5. Coe
6. Wartburg
7. Simpson
8. Central
9.  Luther
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 05, 2021, 02:54:57 PM
South Dakota 98  Simpson 47

https://goyotes.com/sidearmstats/mbball/summary
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 08, 2021, 02:26:57 PM
Weekend scores from around the ARC:

Coe 117 Grinnell 82 (A bruise to the system)
Macalester 80 Luther 59
Bethany Lutheran 77 Central 67 (Central goes 4-22 from three)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 09, 2021, 11:12:07 AM
Coe 78 Cornell 62  Kohawks have the identical top seven rotation from the spring, physically dominate Cornell in this one. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 10, 2021, 09:47:43 AM
Dubuque 68 Blackburn 52  A very cold first half for the Spartans to start the season, shooting improved in the second half but never really got into much of an offensive flow.  Blackburn played hockey defense for much of the game resulting in UD getting to the free throw line 37 times.  Super senior Peter Ragen led the scoring with 19.  Huge non-con Friday down route 61 @ Augustana.

D-1 Drake 87 Coe 61
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 10, 2021, 02:25:37 PM
Curious how Dubuque will do with losing the two transfers.  What veterans will step up, and which newcomers might make their mark will be fun to see as the season progresses. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 10, 2021, 03:02:32 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 10, 2021, 02:25:37 PM
Curious how Dubuque will do with losing the two transfers.  What veterans will step up, and which newcomers might make their mark will be fun to see as the season progresses.

The loss of Mayfield obviously hurts as a bigtime midrange scoring threat off either wing.  Avery Butler's graduation hurts with size depth.  I liked Fitzpatrick's ability to knock down the three, but UD doesn't lose much they can't make up with Snyder. That said, Hammer and Anderson played well off the bench, Anderson in particular should add some scoring depth, and McCants at 6' 6" gives a different look with his athleticism, just has to settle in to the system and pace as a freshman. 

Coe, Central, and Simpson haven't looked like they've taken quantum leaps; we'll get a look at everyone else in the next few days.  UD should be right there at the top all season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 11, 2021, 11:01:19 AM
Waldorf 65 Central 61   Team shooting: WU 34.7% fg 12% 3fg  C 35.1% fg 16.7% 3fg

Loras 84 Monmouth 79  Close game all the way.  Loras looked ok, a couple of newcomer guards who will contribute. 

Wartburg 85 Cornell 70  Drew Olson returns for WC and has a nice game.

Ripon 70 Luther 51  Norse have no one in double digits
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 13, 2021, 07:41:16 AM
Augustana 80 UD 64  Really a closer game than the final indicates, was a one point game with 8 minutes to go.  UD played hard, couple of blown easy dunks in the first half and a tough night at the three point and free throw line for the Spartans, although they were able to get to the rim a lot and scored on multiple second chances.  Credit Augustana, they made shots when it mattered and guarded hard.  Tough loss when you're ranked, but the experience of playing in that hostile environment will help UD in conference play.

Westminster (Mo.) 70 BV 67  This one is a pretty stunning upset in my book. Westminster survives 19 turnovers to get the win here.

Fontbonne 68 Simpson 61  Another upset of SLIAC over ARC.

Coe 69 Aurora 67  Schmitt, Kruse, and Thrapp with nice games for the Kohawks.

Central 63 Blackburn 59  Dutch salvage some ARC pride over scrappy Beavers team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 15, 2021, 11:45:26 AM
Northern Iowa 95 UD 58  It was 11-8 UNI with 16:00 left first half...

NWU 104 MN-Morris 92  Wolves put up a century in the opener against preseason 5th pick in the UMAC

Coe 89 Concordia (WI) 79  Coe moves to 4-0 with win over preseason 3rd pick in the NACC

Loras 103 Rockford 87  Loars moves to 2-0 with win over preseason 6th pick in the NACC

BV 84 Fonbonne 72  BV picks up first win over preseason 5th pick in the SLIAC

Westminster (MO.) 76 Simpson 74  Westminster, preseason 6th pick in the SLIAC completes ARC weekend sweep. 

Central 72 Illinois College 71  Central moves to 2-2

Luther 64 Hamline 63  Luther picks up first win over the Pipers
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 17, 2021, 02:38:51 PM
UD 79 Edgewood 62  Not a pretty win, but UD shoots better down the stretch to hold off a not very good Edgewood squad.  UD will have to step it up and get some flow going leading into conference play next week vs. Wartburg.

Principia 69 Central 63  Wow.  The bottom of the SLIAC beating what will probably be close to the bottom of the ARC.  This was pretty much a 3 on 2 playground game with everybody else just there for window dressing.  Huge win for the Panthers.

Wartburg 95 Grinnell  93  This isn't your father's Grinnell team....wait, maybe it is, the Pioneers coming off a win over someplace called Spurgeon College.  I thought I'd heard of every educational institution in the Midwest; I hadn't.  I'll save you the Google: it's in KC, MO.  Not sure what this or any win over Grinnell means or doesn't mean at this point. 

Simpson 101 Faith Baptist Bible 64  This might be your father's Grinnell's team.  The Storm go the route of the bible college to crack the century mark, nice work. 

ARC games of interest.  Tonight: Loras home against Greenville should be entertaining.  Coe should handle Monmouth easily at home.  Big game on Friday as NWU takes on UW-Eau Claire at Wheaton. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 17, 2021, 05:15:50 PM
Thanks for the updates, SpartyBlue.  Much appreciated. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 29, 2021, 02:36:54 PM
A few thoughts on the ARC coming out of T-giving week into some conference matchups.  Here is my opinion on how the conference shakes out in tiers at the present moment. 

Tier One:  Loras 5-0  The caveat is that this undefeated record comes with zero quality wins.  Ali Sabet has been a solid newcomer for the Duhawks. We'll know more Wednesday after the Coe game.  Coe 7-1 Again this is a team that has yet to be tested at all with a cupcake early schedule. Hard to say.

Tier Two:  Wartburg 5-1 Huge road upset over UD has to be factored in here.  Otherwise, pastries on the schedule,  lost narrowly to a good UWL team.  NWU 3-2  Weird schedule for the Wolves so far as well, lost early to two good teams, but really yet to pick up a quality win.  Freshman Lash looks to be productive already.  Look forward to 12/8 @ BVU.   UD 3-3  UD has yet to click offensively for 40 minutes.  Split two in Memphis vs. a very good Wash U team and a not great Westiminster (MO.) team.  Loss to Wartburg puts them at the bottom of tier two for the moment going into Storm Lake on Wednesday. 

Tier Three:  BVU 2-5 Alone in Tier three after a very surprising start for the Beavers.  Bad road losses to Westminster (MO.) and North Park, although took #10 Elmhurst to the wire. Home vs. UD, Loras, and NWU respectively in the next week will sort out the Beavers prospects. 

Tier Four:  Central 3-4  One decent win @ Illinois College.  The Dutch need to prove something in the coming week vs. NWU and Coe and @ UD or it could be a very deep hole to climb out of.  Simpson 3-3 Zero quality wins for the storm and hammered @ Loras. Luther 1-5  The Norse looking to continue their streak of seven straight losing seasons.

So, a somewhat slow start overall for the ARC. Loras and Coe are storylines as they move into some real competition.   Most of these teams are carbon copies of spring, with a few exceptions.  The newcomers to watch are Sabet at Loras, Lash at NWU, and McCants at UD. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 02, 2021, 10:47:16 AM
UD 66 BVU 51  Huge road win for the Spartans.  BVU was out-toughed by UD, lost the rebounding battle 46-27, 14 UD offensive rebounds.  UD still has lots of room to get better offensively and I think they will.  Bad early loss for the Beavers who have now lost five in a row to fall to 2-6.  Doesn't get any easier for them Saturday as Loras comes to town. 

Coe 74 Loras 63  I said it before, neither of these teams had a quality win coming into this one, so records are deceiving in my view.  Big second half for Coe and let it be noted that Loras's stud McGowan was held to 2 pts. in 28 minutes.  Coe goes to 8-1 and should be 12-1 going into the new year with this upcoming schedule:  Simpson, Central, Cornell, Millikin.

NWU 67 Central 58  Another big game for Lash with 30 pts. 15 reb. Even with that, a bad Dutch team won the second half 40-39. 

Wartburg 73 Luther 57

I think the top six are going to dogfight it out for the top spot, nobody has cleanly separated themselves as being the team to beat in my view. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 06, 2021, 02:12:18 PM
Weekend ARC Update

UD 76 Central 58  Spartans hold court convincingly at home.  Peter Ragen with 24.  Ragen is an interesting player, conference player of the year in the spring, but he is not a pretty watch at all, yet is effective.  Stat line:  17 minutes, 24 pts. on 7-17 fg, 5-9 3pt fg, 5-6 ft, 7 reb., 2 ast. A few other offensive cylinders showing signs of life, UD could be a dangerous team moving into January.

Simpson 74 Coe 64  Storm go on the road in what appears to be a shocking upset, yet lends credence to my theory that Coe hadn't beaten anyone outside of the close home win over Loras.  Still, hard to figure how Coe blew this one.  Key stat:  12 made fts for Simspson vs. 6 for Coe.  Everything else about even.

Loras 73 BV 68  Wow, another home loss for the Beavers drops them to 2-7.  Ugly game, teams combine to shoot 9-45 from three. BV another anemic second half at home, going 9-27 from the field, following a 7-24 second half against UD last week.  Brutal. 

NWU 80 Luther 62 

Wartburg 101 Bethany Lutheran 88 Wartburg moves to 7-1.  Knights have put themselves in the contender conversation.   



Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 08, 2021, 11:56:41 AM
SpartyBlue, with finals week coming up next week and a bit of a schedule break, does your view of how the conference will play out change from the preseason or you see it a pretty much the same, or is it too early to form an opinion from what you have seen so far?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on December 09, 2021, 09:50:48 PM

Big win for Wartburg tonight.  Eau Claire is a very good squad and that was a pretty dominant performance. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 12, 2021, 07:06:40 AM
UD 76 NWU 63 Huge road win for the Spartans, Ragen with 24, McCants with a big game 17 pts. 11 reb., his physicality showed down the stretch.  UD really controlled most of this game, won the rebounding and turnover battles.  It's coming together.

Wartburg 77 Simpson 59  Wartburg beat UW-EC Thursday and rolled Simpson.  The Knights have to be looked at as contenders at 9-1, 3-0.  Nothing flashy, but good, solid guard play with multiple guys who can shoot it. 

BV 64 Luther 46  Luther is dreadful.  BV follows up big road win at NWU with an easy one. 

Coe 83 Central 65  Easy money for the Kohawks.

Loras 107 Blackburn 82  Loras continues to put up impressive offensive numbers against bad teams. 

Doolittle, I don't think it's too early to form some opinions.  If I'm betting on personnel and eye test I'd put Loras, UD, and Coe as top contenders, with Wartburg right there.  Can't count BV out this early as we know Demers and Thompson are capable of winning games.  NWU is a year away from being a contender again, in my view.  What are your thoughts?

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 12, 2021, 10:26:44 PM
I haven't watched anything so far this year.  Was busy this fall, but I think over the winter I will get to tune in some. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 20, 2021, 04:25:31 PM
Dubuque takes down #10 ranked Roanoke 75-67
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 02, 2022, 08:51:14 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 20, 2021, 04:25:31 PM
Dubuque takes down #10 ranked Roanoke 75-67

Huge win after an uneven fall semester.  We'll see if UD can carry that momentum forward.  Here are my current ARC power rankings with current Massey rank and Massey Strength of Schedule rank (because it factors in here).

1.  UD 7-5    76, 46
2.  Wartburg 10-2   46, 130
3. Coe 11-2   66, 122
4.  Loras 10-2   51, 176
5. BVU 5-8    113, 38
6.  NWU  7-4   141, 270
7.  Simpson 4-7   265, 240
8.  Central 3-8   300, 326
9.  Luther 3-9   316, 191
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 06, 2022, 10:05:24 AM
UD 71 Coe 63  Trailing at the half, 3/4 court press blunts the Coe offense, Sam Kilburg hit some huge shots sparking a 15-0 run midway through the second sending Sparty to this huge road win.  UD has now picked off three big conference road wins:  BV, NWU, Coe.  Justifies my power rankings, Sparty has flaws, but their rotation is the most talented in the ARC. 

Luther 78 Loras 74  Really bad home loss for the Duhawks.  Loras was in control, Norse hit threes in the last five minutes and Loras went cold on their own court.  This game perfectly illustrates my SoS point, building a resume on cupcakes does not help you in conference play.  Luther has now won three straight.

Wartburg 80 Central 75  The Dutch are quietly competing with Luther for bottom of the barrel.   

BV 88 Simpson 74  Beavers send Storm to their sixth consecutive loss.  Key stat: 24 assists for BV


Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 06, 2022, 06:31:28 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on January 06, 2022, 10:05:24 AM
UD 71 Coe 63  Trailing at the half, 3/4 court press blunts the Coe offense, Sam Kilburg hit some huge shots sparking a 15-0 run midway through the second sending Sparty to this huge road win.  UD has now picked off three big conference road wins:  BV, NWU, Coe.  Justifies my power rankings, Sparty has flaws, but their rotation is the most talented in the ARC. 

Luther 78 Loras 74  Really bad home loss for the Duhawks.  Loras was in control, Norse hit threes in the last five minutes and Loras went cold on their own court.  This game perfectly illustrates my SoS point, building a resume on cupcakes does not help you in conference play.  Luther has now won three straight.

Wartburg 80 Central 75  The Dutch are quietly competing with Luther for bottom of the barrel.   

BV 88 Simpson 74  Beavers send Storm to their sixth consecutive loss.  Key stat: 24 assists for BV

I tuned in just in time to see the post game interview with the Coe coach.  May try to watch the replay tonight if I don't really feel like finishing up a report.  I'm cautiously optimistic for the Spartans right now.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 11, 2022, 02:45:16 PM
Weekend Update (not with Dennis Miller)

UD 98 Finlandia 78  Sparty with a light sparring session before Key City Clash, Part I on Wed.  Seven in double figures.

BV 80 Coe 73  BV moves to 4-2 and puts themselves in the conference conversation. 

Loras 98 Central 59  Duhawks bounce back from horrible Luther loss against a struggling Dutch squad.  Loras slinks up the hill on Wednesday for a huge rivalry game.  Last spring's game was entertaining as heck, good guys coming out 99-91 to the good.  This four game stretch will determine Loras's regular season conference fate:  @UD, @NWU, Wartburg, BV  A win by Sparty here puts them in a great spot, 5-1 with Simpson, @ Luther, @ Central before the big showdown @ Wartburg on 1/26.  8-1 would be nice going into that game. 

Wartburg 81 NWU 65  Knights keep winning.  This is a good team, but by no means dominant.  Circle 1/26 vs. UD. 

Simpson Luther PPD 

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 13, 2022, 09:39:57 AM
Dubuque with the 70-64 home win over cross town rival Loras.  11 ties and 11 lead changes in the game.  It was 58-58 when I initially logged onto the game.  Decided I was too nervous to watch that.  Later thought that was ridiculous to think that way and I believe it was 61-60 UD at that point.  So I think it's scientifically proven that the Spartan victory can be broken down to 99% players/coaches and 1% me tuning in and providing that extra bit of mojo the team needed  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 13, 2022, 03:48:59 PM
UD 70 Loras 64    For boarders who may not know, these two schools are separated by one mile.  This game was a slugfest in front of a raucous crowd of 1200+ (attendance policy, Iowa style).  Both student sections were large and loud; I believe this rivalry is one of the better at the D3 level and deserves more press, but nonetheless, as Doolittle indicated, back and forth defensive struggle.  Freshman Jaylin McCants had 22 pts. 10 reb. off the bench and is becoming a primary dynamic scoring threat, Ragen added 22.

Dubuque has won four straight, mauled top 25 Roanoke on a neutral court, went on the road and locked down Coe and then took over late against Massey top 50 Loras.  UD has a chance to win out to the Wartburg game on 1/26 and if they win that, I think they deserve back in the national conversation. 

Wartburg 76 Coe 72  Knights move to 13-2, 6-0.  WC is a tough guard-oriented team with multiple shooting and driving threats.

BV 86 Central 70  Beavers are a quiet 5-2 in conference, but the home losses to Loras and UD really hurt, will be tough to win those return games on the road and they have a tough stretch coming up @WC @ Loras vs. NWU

Simpson NWU PPD

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 21, 2022, 11:49:32 AM
So much for my spotless Karma, sheesh!  I'll soldier on.  It would be nice to get some posters from other schools on these boards, has anyone ever sent out links on twitter feeds or anything like that so fans are aware D3boards exist?  Just a thought.

My ARC current power rankings with recent results (Massey rank, Sos)

1.  UD 11-5, 6-1  (60, 47) W Simpson 69-48.  I still think UD is battle tested and deeper than any team in the ARC.  Currently on pause for Covid issues.  They will come into the biggest game of the year @ Wartburg not having played a game in 11 days.  Not ideal.  Remember, UD only plays one senior as well.

2.  Wartburg  14-3, 7-1 (32, 75) L 88-84 BV, W 86-83 @ Loras.  Home loss to the surging Beavers opens up the ARC race, Wartburg is vulnerable in the paint, outrebounded by 10 in this one.  Really nice bounce back win at Loras.  Knights guards continue to impress, can get to the rim, have multiple shooters, smart offensively.  Again, though, outrebounded by 10, WC will have to clean up the glass to win the ARC.

3.  BV  9-8, 6-2 (82, 26)  W Central 86-70, W Wartburg 88-84  Beavers have turned it around after dreadful start.  Tough early schedule doesn't lend itself to glittering record, but battle tested, fifth year senior heavy team.  Sittner comes off the bench for 38 pts. against WC...BV was having trouble scoring the ball, could be the spark they needed.  Demers is great, but if you stop him you really bog down BV on the offensive end.

4.  Loras 11-5, 3-4 (66, 190)  L 86-83  Wartburg.  Duhawks have dropped 3 out of 4, but I have them at four based on eye test.  I think that at the end of the day they have more weapons than Coe, all of these losses have been close, just haven't made buckets down the stretch when needed.   Chris Martin coached team will still be dangerous down the stretch.  The Luther loss really hurt and will likely keep them from a regular season title, but I want to avoid them in the ARC tournament, if possible. 

5.  Coe  12-5, 4-4 (74, 78)  W NWU 67-53.  Kohawks are in the mix here.  Another experienced team starting five seniors.  I do think they lack depth and rely a bit too much on Kruse to have big games. 

6.  NWU 8-7, 2-4 (105, 164) L @ Coe 67-53.  Looks like the Wolves are coming off a Covid pause.  This team has some young talent, particularly Lash, but to me just lacks the physicality to create on the offensive end.  They really struggle against pressure and not a great rebounding team despite some size and length.  Wellman is a great coach and this could turn around going into tournament time, so keep watching.

7.  Luther 5-9, 2-4 (245, 169)  W Central 61-53.  Norse have won four in a row, Loras road win likely huge for this program's confidence.  They simply don't have much talent, but they are playing hard and acting like they belong in games.  ARC teams need to be on alert that the Norse may not roll over as they have for years.

8.  Central 4-12, 1-7 (294, 217) L Luther 61-53, W @Simpson 75-66.  Dutch have no offensive weapons whatsoever.  A once winning program in a current horrible rut.

9.  Simpson 4-11, 1-5  (284, 203) L @ UD 69-48, L Central 75-66.  Storm have no offensive weapons whatsoever.  Incredible to think that two years ago this program was garnering top 25 votes.  Dropped eight straight since huge upset @ Coe on 12/4.



Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 21, 2022, 05:14:55 PM
Good work +1 Scooby snack.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 26, 2022, 11:02:58 PM
Dubuque takes the 59-42 win @ Wartburg to take over 1st place in the conference at 7-1.  The superstitious part of me says the Spartans are getting these wins because I don't watch live and wait to watch later.  This old Spartan feels like we're getting back to the 1986-1992 years of UD success.  Love to see what Coach Sieverding is getting done in Dubuque.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 27, 2022, 02:52:34 PM
UD 59 Wartburg 42   Big game of the year so far in the ARC.   Dubuque comes off of Covid pause and absolutely shuts down Wartburg in their own gym. Ragen, Kilburg, and McCants with the scoring the for Sparty, but the story was defense.   Knights shoot 3-27 from three--an almost unbelievably bad number.  UD goes to 7-1 in the ARC and is in a very good position to win the conference. They have now beaten every team with road wins over BV, NWU, Coe, and Wartburg. 

NWU 90 BV 88 OT  Really bad home loss for BV drops them to 6-4 in the conference. 

Loras 81 Simpson 68  Duhawks hold court, move to 5-4 conference.

Coe 89 Luther 51  Luther back to being Luther. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 30, 2022, 08:55:51 PM
Dubuque 84-64 over Nebraska Wesleyan  :o

I'm starting to believe this Spartan team is on a serious run. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 31, 2022, 03:02:57 PM
UD 84 NWU 64  I think you're correct, Dolittle.   UD dominates the Prairie Wolves at home.  Sparty really used stifling defense and physicality to give NWU all sorts of problems scoring the basketball. 

This team has won seven in a row and has not lost since 12/19, a close neutral site loss to Baldwin Wallace.  In a strong position to the regular season conference title, 20+ win season, and have home court advantage in the ARC tourney.  All of Dubuque's losses come to top 100 Massey teams, four of them in the top 50, and they hold a win over #25 Roanoke (VA.).

BV 63 Luther 48  Beavers bounce back after tough home loss to NWU.  At 7-4 they need a huge upset at UD to stay in the conference race.

Coe 85 Central 59 7-4 Coe has a tough stretch of games to close out, will be difficult for them to win out.

Wartburg 81 Simpson 67  Knights in a horse race with UD--UD holds a one game lead and a more favorable schedule in my opinion. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on January 31, 2022, 10:14:00 PM
Dubuque wins @ Central 70-46 in a make up of a previously postponed game.  For the 1st time in awhile I followed along with some of the action.  Always fun to watch when the team you cheer for gets the win.  On to the next one for the Spartans. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 07, 2022, 10:48:55 AM
Wild week in the ARC.  BV upsets UD on the road.  That same night was the real shocker--Luther 70 Wartburg 69.  Quick look at the conference race with two weeks left:

Standings
1. UD 9-2   Race is Sparty's to lose at this point.  Play Luther twice, @ Simpson.  Two big games home vs. Coe @ Loras.  Offense has been inconsistent, defensively UD has been locking teams down.  Projection: 13-3 Conference champs

2.  Wartburg 9-3  Losing to Luther obviously hurts, that is a very tough one to explain.  I do think Wartburg was a tad overrated early due to easy non-con schedule. Tough finish stretch for Knights @ BV @ Coe vs. Loras.  Proj:  12-4

3.  Coe 9-4  Riding a six game win streak mostly against bottom of ARC, but did pick off BV 65-62 on Saturday.  A senior-led team who you just can't count out at this time of year.  Want to be playing your best hoops in Feb, and the Kohawks just may be.  Huge game Wednesday @ UD.  If Kohawks pull upset, race is wide open to the finish.   Proj:  11-5

4.  BV 8-5  Such an up and down weird season for fifth year seniors Demers and Thompson.  Knocking off UD on the road gives them a breath of life and this is not a team you want to play in the conference tourney.  Proj:  10-6

5.  NWU 6-6  Young team, has shown lack of toughness at times in my eyes, just can't string together good defensive possessions and Wellman is playing a different offense than he had the luxury of playing with those tournament teams.  Watch out for NWU going forward, just not this year.  Proj: 8-8

6.  Loras 6-5  Really surprising mid-pack season for a Duhawks team returning four starters.  That said, with 5 games remaining they are not out out of it.  Sweep NWU then have to knock off Wartburg and UD, tough, but Loras does have an opportunity.  Proj: 8-8

7.  Luther 4-8  As much as I give the Norse a deserved hard time, they are not a complete cupcake.  See:  Luther 78 Loras 74, Luther 70 Wartburg 69.  Then they follow up the Wartburg win losing to Simpson 75-61.  Luther is capable of making threes and they believe they can play spoiler--watch out down the stretch.  Proj: 5-11

8.  Simpson 2-10 Proj 3-13

9. Central 1-11  Proj:  1-15
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 09, 2022, 09:09:28 PM
Dubuque leads Coe 47-30 at the half.  My daughter was upset because she missed a dunk while walking between the stands.  Kind of fun to see her in the crowd while I sit at home watching. 

Other games at the half...

Central 40-35 over Wartburg  :o
Loras 37-21 over Luther
BVU 56-38 over Simpson
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 09, 2022, 10:02:56 PM
Final scores...

Dubuque 78-58 over Coe.  20 point wins are enjoyable!
BVU 106-81 over Simpson. 
Loras 61-41 @ Luther
Central 73-72 @ Wartburg.  What the?!?!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 10, 2022, 04:16:52 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 09, 2022, 10:02:56 PM
Final scores...

Dubuque 78-58 over Coe.  20 point wins are enjoyable!
BVU 106-81 over Simpson. 
Loras 61-41 @ Luther
Central 73-72 @ Wartburg.  What the?!?!

UD absolutely dismantled Coe.  UD's defense has now taken Coe totally out of rhythm for 80 minutes, very impressive.  Sam Kilburg ends up with 28 pts, including 5 threes in the first half.  This kid doesn't look like much physically, but when he's on he can really shoot it and routinely uses methodical footwork to score over, under, and around post players (often giving up 5, 6, 7 inches) and double teams on either block.  Very talented point guard.

Central over Wartburg is now the upset of the year in the ARC. I have no idea how this happened.  Central is a horrible offensive team, they were outrebounded by 10...none of the numbers indicate much. Sometimes the percentages fall your way, sometimes they don't.  Crazy. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 14, 2022, 12:51:47 PM
UD 90 Simpson 68   UD wins the ARC title outright with the Wartburg loss.  Back to back ARC titles, in the last calendar year UD has gone 31-6, 26-2 vs. conference teams.  Not too shabby.  Sparty has now won 11 out of last 12, huge matchup @ Loras on Wednesday.

BV 94 Wartburg 92  Wartburg skid continues, now lost 3 out of 4.  BV is dangerous, made 13 threes to pull off this upset. Beavers could end up the second seed in the conference tourney.

Loras 80 NWU 79  Duhawks avenge loss from last Monday.  Key City Clash II, Duhawks can complicate UD's NCAA picture with a win.

Central 70 Luther 51
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on February 15, 2022, 03:54:23 PM
Week 2 Regional Rankings - which are ranked now: https://d3hoops.com/notables/2022/02/men-regional-rankings-first
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 16, 2022, 11:28:40 PM
Dubuque wins 92-91 @ Loras.  Whew.  Video kept breaking up, so I turned off and just hoped for the best. 
NWU 75-66 @ Simpson.  As expected
Coe 91-75 over Wartburg.  The Knights woes continue
BVU 73-69 @ Central.  As expected, but the Dutch kept it close. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 17, 2022, 03:19:35 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 16, 2022, 11:28:40 PM
Dubuque wins 92-91 @ Loras.  Whew.  Video kept breaking up, so I turned off and just hoped for the best. 
NWU 75-66 @ Simpson.  As expected
Coe 91-75 over Wartburg.  The Knights woes continue
BVU 73-69 @ Central.  As expected, but the Dutch kept it close.

UD 92 Loras 91  Doolittle, you missed an instant classic.  Some numbers:  FG% UD 63.5 LC 57.6,  3PT FG% UD 52% LC 52.4%, Lead Changes 21. Huge road win in a rivalry game for Dubuque.  Their modus operandi all year has been defense as a calling card and slower, more deliberate possessions looking for mismatches to exploit on offense. 

This game was a high level shootout from the opening tip.  I'm biased, of course, but UD is playing their best ball right now, has won 12 out of their last 13 and to me looks like a team that deserves some top 25 consideration.  Conference tourney is next week, will be the favorites, but either way will be interesting, as I think they are deserving of a pool C bid, having watched a lot of the other teams that are at the top of that pool and believing that UD matches up well. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 22, 2022, 08:33:15 AM
Tonight, Dubuque and BVU will find out who they will get to play on Thursday. If the games go on as scheduled with this weather.

NWU @ Coe
Loras @ Wartburg

Hoping SpartyBlue can give a preview.  I saw virtually no basketball this year. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 23, 2022, 10:36:28 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 22, 2022, 08:33:15 AM
Tonight, Dubuque and BVU will find out who they will get to play on Thursday. If the games go on as scheduled with this weather.

NWU @ Coe
Loras @ Wartburg

Hoping SpartyBlue can give a preview.  I saw virtually no basketball this year.

I can respond to the results. 

Loras 77 Wartburg 62  Wow, the Knights really faded down the stretch, lost their last five games. Bad shooting dooms a guard heavy team like Wartburg,  there is no plan B after making threes.  Last night they went 6-22 from three.  Credit must be given to Loras for dominating the boards, rebounding advantage was 45-33 translating directly in to 17 more shot attempts for the Duhawks.  Huge.

Coe 74 NWU 65  Kohawks pull off back to back victories over the Wolves.  Coe gets to 20 wins and sets up a battle with BV. 

Semis:

Loras @ UD  The cliche is it's tough to beat a team three times in a season.  UD has to do it to continue their stellar season.  It's hard to think both teams will shoot northward of 55% again as they did last week.  I have to think UD can tighten up the defense a bit and find a way to get this done at home.  That said, Stoltz should be rocking for this one, can't count the Duhawks out.  Can they keep shooting the lights out to keep up with what has become a dynamic UD offense late in the season?  UD should have been ranked higher in the NCAA regionals, have won 13 out of last 14.

I do think UD should legitimately be a tournament team even with an at-large.  There is no reason the ARC should not be a two bid conference at this point.  Massey has the ARC ranked 7th out of 48, ahead of the MIAC, MIAA, SCIAC, etc. That said, go win this thing and take the politics out of the equation.

Coe @ BV  I find it interesting that the NCAA regional rankings rank BV at 14-11 but not Coe at 20-6.  Season series was a chop, I guess this will be decided the gentlemanly old fashioned way: a duel on the court.  BV has been playing the better basketball down the stretch in my eyes, but consider that Coe has won 9 out of their last 10, including a 65-62 win over BV. 



Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2022, 10:55:59 AM
Do those doing the rankings look at historical numbers?  I've wondered if the history BVU has carries any weight as a 14-11 team you would think would get less love than a 20 win Coe and a 19 win Dubuque.  That doesn't seem to be the case.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2022, 11:18:37 AM
Historical numbers are not considered. Here's a quick glance at the primary criteria:

Buena Vista: 14-11 vs. D-III as of Sunday, .568 SOS, 2-5 against regionally ranked opponents
Coe: 19-5 vs. D-III, .521 SOS, 1-3 against regionally ranked opponents

BVU's regionally ranked opponents are generally better as well, with a win against Stout and losses to La Crosse and St. John's, split with Dubuque. Coe is swept by Dubuque, split with BVU.

Neither BVU nor Coe is getting an at-large bid, so it doesn't really matter who is ranked ahead, frankly.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 23, 2022, 12:11:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2022, 11:18:37 AM
Historical numbers are not considered. Here's a quick glance at the primary criteria:

Buena Vista: 14-11 vs. D-III as of Sunday, .568 SOS, 2-5 against regionally ranked opponents
Coe: 19-5 vs. D-III, .521 SOS, 1-3 against regionally ranked opponents

BVU's regionally ranked opponents are generally better as well, with a win against Stout and losses to La Crosse and St. John's, split with Dubuque. Coe is swept by Dubuque, split with BVU.

Neither BVU nor Coe is getting an at-large bid, so it doesn't really matter who is ranked ahead, frankly.

Thanks
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2022, 12:54:40 PM
I can confidently say, Dubuque isn't getting a Pool C bid. I think the ARC is a one bid conference.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 23, 2022, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2022, 12:54:40 PM
I can confidently say, Dubuque isn't getting a Pool C bid. I think the ARC is a one bid conference.

You're probably right about the pool C,  but the ARC doesn't deserve to be a one bid conference in my view.  If we're going to play the numbers game to determine regional rankings and at-large bids, then conference rankings in total should matter.  Going 14-2 in the 7th best conference in D3 should get you in, but much like D1 it's the traditional "power conferences" that appear to get most of the benefit.  We shall see how it plays out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 23, 2022, 02:28:14 PM
The NCAA committee and our Top 25 voters are not bound by Massey's conference ratings. (Assuming that's what you're citing.)

At-large bids don't go to conferences -- they go to teams. If a team's resume is good enough to get an at-large bid, it will get one regardless of league.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2022, 03:10:02 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 23, 2022, 01:52:39 PM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2022, 12:54:40 PM
I can confidently say, Dubuque isn't getting a Pool C bid. I think the ARC is a one bid conference.

You're probably right about the pool C,  but the ARC doesn't deserve to be a one bid conference in my view.  If we're going to play the numbers game to determine regional rankings and at-large bids, then conference rankings in total should matter.  Going 14-2 in the 7th best conference in D3 should get you in, but much like D1 it's the traditional "power conferences" that appear to get most of the benefit.  We shall see how it plays out.

Going 5-4 out of conference doesn't help. Go 7-2 and you'd probably jump River Falls and Whitewater.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 25, 2022, 09:19:27 AM
ARC semi-finals

Dubuque 78-58 over Loras
BVU 95-81 over Coe

Saturday BVU @ Dubuque 7pm
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 25, 2022, 03:18:16 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 25, 2022, 09:19:27 AM
ARC semi-finals

Dubuque 78-58 over Loras
BVU 95-81 over Coe

Saturday BVU @ Dubuque 7pm

Dubuque goes on a huge 26-6 run to start the second half and beats rival Loras for the third time this season.  UD has now won 14 of their last 15. 

This sets up a rematch of the conference tournament championship from a year ago.  BV shot the ball incredibly well against Coe--the key here is defense. Last night UD completely shut down a team that scored 91 points on them last week.  Help defense was much quicker on drives in the second half and led to numerous bad shots and 6 blocked shots. 

If UD can replicate the physical, smothering defense against Demers and Neubaum they played on the road at BV, they should win this.  Another key to me is slowing Thompson down, he's very good at straight line driving from the top of the key and using his strength to finish in one on one situations.  If he scores 20+, advantage to the Beavers. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 27, 2022, 11:35:06 AM
Dubuque wins the ARC tournament with a 71-52 victory over Buena Vista

Spartans on a strong run right now. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 28, 2022, 11:57:11 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 27, 2022, 11:35:06 AM
Dubuque wins the ARC tournament with a 71-52 victory over Buena Vista

Spartans on a strong run right now.

Turned out there is no sweat for pool C--ticket punched!  Key stats in this game:  UD +18 rebounding, 19 offensive rebounds leading to 21-9 second chance points advantage. 

UD finishes 21-6 including winning 15 of 16 down the stretch.  Sparty in the last two years has gone 35-6, 28-2 in the conference. Watch party time!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on March 02, 2022, 12:36:03 AM
DUBUQUE RECRUIT

Apologies if this has previously been reported.

Dubuque has received a commitment from 6'1" PG Mike Clarke of Cary-Grove IL HS.
Steady player who has neither excessive highs nor lows. Potential for improvement with good coaching.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 02, 2022, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: Next Man Up on March 02, 2022, 12:36:03 AM
DUBUQUE RECRUIT

Apologies if this has previously been reported.

Dubuque has received a commitment from 6'1" PG Mike Clarke of Cary-Grove IL HS.
Steady player who has neither excessive highs nor lows. Potential for improvement with good coaching.

Thank you.  We appreciate all the Dubuque...and ARC news you can get us!  I've seen a bit of Twitter chatter about commits, but get nervous until I see them on campus.  And a few years ago we even had a kid that came in with Peter Ragen who transferred to Loras 1 week into his arrival so you never know.  With Ragen leaving with 2 straight titles I wonder what that other kid thinks now  ;)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on March 02, 2022, 10:48:12 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2022, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: Next Man Up on March 02, 2022, 12:36:03 AM
DUBUQUE RECRUIT

Apologies if this has previously been reported.

Dubuque has received a commitment from 6'1" PG Mike Clarke of Cary-Grove IL HS.
Steady player who has neither excessive highs nor lows. Potential for improvement with good coaching.

Thank you.  We appreciate all the Dubuque...and ARC news you can get us!  I've seen a bit of Twitter chatter about commits, but get nervous until I see them on campus.  And a few years ago we even had a kid that came in with Peter Ragen who transferred to Loras 1 week into his arrival so you never know.  With Ragen leaving with 2 straight titles I wonder what that other kid thinks now  ;)

Ah, yes, the quickie transfer.  :o
The case of the "bearded one" as I remember.  :D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on March 02, 2022, 01:10:27 PM
LORAS RECRUIT

Possible, but I don't think this has been reported as yet.

Loras has received a commitment from 6'2" PG Danny New of Aurora (IL) Christian HS.
Shoots lots of threes. Class 1A (smallest class) All-State last year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 02, 2022, 02:50:11 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 02, 2022, 08:14:09 AM
Quote from: Next Man Up on March 02, 2022, 12:36:03 AM
DUBUQUE RECRUIT

Apologies if this has previously been reported.

Dubuque has received a commitment from 6'1" PG Mike Clarke of Cary-Grove IL HS.
Steady player who has neither excessive highs nor lows. Potential for improvement with good coaching.

Thank you.  We appreciate all the Dubuque...and ARC news you can get us!  I've seen a bit of Twitter chatter about commits, but get nervous until I see them on campus.  And a few years ago we even had a kid that came in with Peter Ragen who transferred to Loras 1 week into his arrival so you never know.  With Ragen leaving with 2 straight titles I wonder what that other kid thinks now  ;)

Cade Daugherty also left before the Covid season for Wartburg.  Just sayin...

Another UD recruit: Trent DeVries  6' 3" Madison Southern in Berea, KY.  That's all I know. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on March 04, 2022, 12:17:23 AM
Ryan Mendoza, a 5'11" sophomore guard is transferring from Carroll of the CCIW to Buena Vista. Mendoza played in 22 of Carroll's 25 games with nine starts. He averaged 9.6 PPG on .397 shooting overall, including .435 from three, and .896 from the line.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on March 09, 2022, 12:46:58 AM
COE RECRUIT

Coe has received a commitment from 5'8" PG Ryan Dolphin of Pleasant Valley HS in Bettendorf.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2022, 06:48:58 PM
Anyone have an idea of the graduation losses for each ARC team for next year?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on March 10, 2022, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2022, 06:48:58 PM
Anyone have an idea of the graduation losses for each ARC team for next year?

Peter Ragen (league MVP) was the only senior on the Dubuque squad.  Of course, you never know who might not return next year. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on March 10, 2022, 02:05:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 10, 2022, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2022, 06:48:58 PM
Anyone have an idea of the graduation losses for each ARC team for next year?

Peter Ragen (league MVP) was the only senior on the Dubuque squad.  Of course, you never know who might not return next year.

Ragen was a fifth year senior so his departure was pretty much of a foregone conclusion.
It will probably be awhile before the plans of all the (regular) fourth year seniors on the various teams, who are eligible to return due to the Covid year waiver, are known. Lots of variables—cost of an additional year of school, number of credit hours needed, or whether or not a school has graduate programs are some—can effect a decision.
Dubuque is lucky because Ragen was the only either fourth or fifth year senior on the team. Every other player is still eligible to return next year, even without having to use the Covid year waiver/extension.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on March 10, 2022, 06:13:54 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on March 10, 2022, 02:05:48 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on March 10, 2022, 01:04:17 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on March 09, 2022, 06:48:58 PM
Anyone have an idea of the graduation losses for each ARC team for next year?

Peter Ragen (league MVP) was the only senior on the Dubuque squad.  Of course, you never know who might not return next year.

Ragen was a fifth year senior so his departure was pretty much of a foregone conclusion.
It will probably be awhile before the plans of all the (regular) fourth year seniors on the various teams, who are eligible to return due to the Covid year waiver, are known. Lots of variables—cost of an additional year of school, number of credit hours needed, or whether or not a school has graduate programs are some—can effect a decision.
Dubuque is lucky because Ragen was the only either fourth or fifth year senior on the team. Every other player is still eligible to return next year, even without having to use the Covid year waiver/extension.

Early indications are that everyone is back next year.   Great season for Sparty--was a couple of possessions from beating Case Western, a team who now finds itself in the sweet 16.   UD should obviously be the ARC favorite in 22-23..

So, with some uncertainty, what I have heard about the following significant ARC players who are done: BV- Demers (played 5 years) and  Thompson.    Loras-  Navigato and McGowan  both fifth year seniors.    Coe- Kruse and possibly Robertson, Thrapp, Niemeier and Auen. 

Wartburg  no info but Olson, John, Roquet all fourth year seniors this year, would have Covid year.  NWU  young team, Gilder only 4th year senior.   Central loses its best player in Mauck, fifth year senior. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on June 05, 2022, 08:06:36 AM
UD adds Wisconsin-Parkside grad transfer Bryce Prochaska (6'8" 230)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on June 05, 2022, 09:43:06 AM
Love adding some height to the team.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on June 05, 2022, 06:15:35 PM
DUBUQUE RECRUITS

Guards are wild  :D

* Alex Arango, 6'2" SG from St. Viator HS in Arlington Heights, IL
* Alex Krejci, 6'2" SG from Somonauk, IL HS
* Johnny McGowan, 6'4" SG from Oak Lawn, IL HS
* Mike Clarke, 6'1" PG from Cary-Grove HS in Cary, IL
* Nick Vuckovic, 6'0" PG from Hoffman Estates, IL HS
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on June 05, 2022, 06:40:00 PM
LORAS RECRUITS

* Danny New, 6'2" Combo Guard from Aurora IL Christian HS
* Jamari Winfrey, 6'2" SF from Peoria IL Richwoods HS
* Michael Womer, 6'3" Wing from Peoria Richwoods
* Patrick Quarnstrom, 6'3" Wing from St. Thomas More HS in Champaign, IL
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on June 05, 2022, 09:22:31 PM
BUENA VISTA RECRUIT

Ned Hayes, 6'4" SF from St. Charles (IL) North HS
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on July 15, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
Evidently, first team All-Conference player Peter Lash of Nebraska Wesleyan decided to enter the transfer portal back in late April. However, upon reconsideration, he has now decided he will return to NWU to complete his degree and athletic eligibility.

Anybody know how Lash found his way from Charlotte, North Carolina to Lincoln in the first place?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 17, 2022, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on July 15, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
Evidently, first team All-Conference player Peter Lash of Nebraska Wesleyan decided to enter the transfer portal back in late April. However, upon reconsideration, he has now decided he will return to NWU to complete his degree and athletic eligibility.

Anybody know how Lash found his way from Charlotte, North Carolina to Lincoln in the first place?

15 years or so ago it was less common to see kids from many other parts of the country on conference rosters. Now days it seems normal to see kids from all over the place in our conference.  Would be  interesting to hear the story for Mr. Lash and his journey to Nebraska. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Next Man Up on July 17, 2022, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 17, 2022, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on July 15, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
Evidently, first team All-Conference player Peter Lash of Nebraska Wesleyan decided to enter the transfer portal back in late April. However, upon reconsideration, he has now decided he will return to NWU to complete his degree and athletic eligibility.

Anybody know how Lash found his way from Charlotte, North Carolina to Lincoln in the first place?

15 years or so ago it was less common to see kids from many other parts of the country on conference rosters. Now days it seems normal to see kids from all over the place in our conference.  Would be  interesting to hear the story for Mr. Lash and his journey to Nebraska.

Back in the Dark Ages when I played at NWU, we had sizeable groups of kids from the suburbs of both Chicago and Denver as well as a nice amount from the Boston burbs. However, we had zero from North Carolina or anywhere close, and probably not more than 5 or so from the entire South/Southeast.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on July 17, 2022, 09:03:03 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on July 17, 2022, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 17, 2022, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on July 15, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
Evidently, first team All-Conference player Peter Lash of Nebraska Wesleyan decided to enter the transfer portal back in late April. However, upon reconsideration, he has now decided he will return to NWU to complete his degree and athletic eligibility.

Anybody know how Lash found his way from Charlotte, North Carolina to Lincoln in the first place?

15 years or so ago it was less common to see kids from many other parts of the country on conference rosters. Now days it seems normal to see kids from all over the place in our conference.  Would be  interesting to hear the story for Mr. Lash and his journey to Nebraska.

Back in the Dark Ages when I played at NWU, we had sizeable groups of kids from the suburbs of both Chicago and Denver as well as a nice amount from the Boston burbs. However, we had zero from North Carolina or anywhere close, and probably not more than 5 or so from the entire South/Southeast.

Dubuque, back in the late 80's and early 90's had a good chunk from about 50 miles east/west of the Mississippi of Iowa and Illinois kids as well as a good size of the roster from the Chicagoland area.  And they also had a recruiting hotspot in the New Orleans area.  Dave Crawford, among other New Orleans recruits stands out.  Dave was a 2 time conference MVP.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on July 18, 2022, 03:34:15 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on July 17, 2022, 06:00:50 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on July 17, 2022, 05:45:39 PM
Quote from: Next Man Up on July 15, 2022, 05:09:55 PM
Evidently, first team All-Conference player Peter Lash of Nebraska Wesleyan decided to enter the transfer portal back in late April. However, upon reconsideration, he has now decided he will return to NWU to complete his degree and athletic eligibility.

Anybody know how Lash found his way from Charlotte, North Carolina to Lincoln in the first place?

15 years or so ago it was less common to see kids from many other parts of the country on conference rosters. Now days it seems normal to see kids from all over the place in our conference.  Would be  interesting to hear the story for Mr. Lash and his journey to Nebraska.

Back in the Dark Ages when I played at NWU, we had sizeable groups of kids from the suburbs of both Chicago and Denver as well as a nice amount from the Boston burbs. However, we had zero from North Carolina or anywhere close, and probably not more than 5 or so from the entire South/Southeast.

In the Dark Ages no one tweeted open letters that they were deciding to stay at their D3 school for another year either.  Times change.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on September 10, 2022, 08:13:39 AM
I'm curious about a few things.
How many guys that announced they were committed to a school showed up at that school this fall.
How many of those are still at that school.
How many of those will contribute to that team this year.
Will those that don't get minutes right away stick around for their four years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on October 26, 2022, 02:45:54 PM
UD receives 23 votes in preseason poll.  I think this is a top 25 team, but losing Peter Ragen probably affected some voters.   

This is a senior laden team coming off of two of the best seasons in program history...Sam Kilburg was already the best point guard in the ARC and is a year stronger and McCants is a nightmare defensive matchup for any ARC team.  The mix of experience and younger firepower should make UD the heavy favorite to win the conference and go back to the dance.

UD has a mixed schedule.  I like coming out of the gate against UNI and then North Central and Carroll.  Beating two CCIW teams would cement the national recognition.  Augustana and Franklin and Marshall are also good opponents.  Edgewood, Monmouth, and Blackburn don't prove much, yet better than the Finlandia and Iowa Wesleyan games. 

I'd like to see a WIAC team or two added.  To that point, UD scrimmaged and outplayed UW-Platteville over 20 minutes last night, a good sign of where things stand. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on November 07, 2022, 09:23:07 PM
Wartburg playing UNI tonight. The usual suspects for the Knights with a couple new faces off the bench. Marshun Williams leading W with 7 points at the half.

Most ARC teams open up their season tomorrow night:
Loras vs Concordia-Chicago
Luther vs Grinnell
Central at Waldorf
Simpson vs Faith Baptist

Coe opens up at home Wednesday against Cornell.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on November 08, 2022, 11:02:51 PM
Some interesting scores from around the ARC.

Luther shakes off the system to roll Grinnell 95-76

Simpson beats Faith Baptist handily. A few new faces for the Storm including leading scorer/transfer Andrew Gibbs but interestingly no Tajen Ross on the roster.

Loras loses to Concordia Chicago 98-88 and were down double digits for most of the game. Sabet and Bass the mainstays in scoring for the Duhawks.

Central looked tough early against Waldorf but went cold in the second half, losing 58-53.

Next up is Coe vs Cornell tomorrow and big regional games this Friday with Dubuque taking on North Central and Wartburg going to Macalester.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 10, 2022, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: D3hoopsinsider on November 08, 2022, 11:02:51 PM
Some interesting scores from around the ARC.

Luther shakes off the system to roll Grinnell 95-76

Simpson beats Faith Baptist handily. A few new faces for the Storm including leading scorer/transfer Andrew Gibbs but interestingly no Tajen Ross on the roster.

Loras loses to Concordia Chicago 98-88 and were down double digits for most of the game. Sabet and Bass the mainstays in scoring for the Duhawks.

Central looked tough early against Waldorf but went cold in the second half, losing 58-53.

Next up is Coe vs Cornell tomorrow and big regional games this Friday with Dubuque taking on North Central and Wartburg going to Macalester.

The Luther result is a bit of a shock, not sure whether Luther has improved or just a result of System variance. 

Loras also a shocker.  It doesn't look to me like Loras added any pieces, they are relying on Sabet, Singleton, and Bass to make improvements.  CUC is a team yo should beat on your home floor.

Simpson and Central don't tell me much.  I know nothing about Waldorf, does a close game there mean anything?

Coe sneaks by Cornell...again, the usual suspects for Coe, don't see any new pieces doing much but I feel like they should have won this more handily at home. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on November 10, 2022, 10:39:39 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 10, 2022, 10:31:40 AM
Quote from: D3hoopsinsider on November 08, 2022, 11:02:51 PM
Some interesting scores from around the ARC.

Luther shakes off the system to roll Grinnell 95-76

Simpson beats Faith Baptist handily. A few new faces for the Storm including leading scorer/transfer Andrew Gibbs but interestingly no Tajen Ross on the roster.

Loras loses to Concordia Chicago 98-88 and were down double digits for most of the game. Sabet and Bass the mainstays in scoring for the Duhawks.

Central looked tough early against Waldorf but went cold in the second half, losing 58-53.

Next up is Coe vs Cornell tomorrow and big regional games this Friday with Dubuque taking on North Central and Wartburg going to Macalester.

The Luther result is a bit of a shock, not sure whether Luther has improved or just a result of System variance. 

Loras also a shocker.  It doesn't look to me like Loras added any pieces, they are relying on Sabet, Singleton, and Bass to make improvements.  CUC is a team yo should beat on your home floor.

Simpson and Central don't tell me much.  I know nothing about Waldorf, does a close game there mean anything?

Coe sneaks by Cornell...again, the usual suspects for Coe, don't see any new pieces doing much but I feel like they should have won this more handily at home.

I would agree on Simpson and Central, hard to gauge both of those teams without knowing much about the opponent. My guess is Simpson will be much improved this year with some strong transfers that came in.

Coe was up big at half and early second half but went on a scoring drought late in the second half. Their starting 5 looked solid but they will need to find some depth. Again hard to judge in an opener vs a rival, their game Saturday vs Graceland will be interesting.

Luther hasn't won many games the last few years but they have an experienced group and looked to have good size against Grinnell. They have always defended well so if they can piece together the offense they could have a much better year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 10, 2022, 12:15:25 PM
Welcome d3hoopsinsider. Always nice to have an additional voice on here. I'm anxious for the season to really get going.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on November 12, 2022, 09:48:08 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 10, 2022, 12:15:25 PM
Welcome d3hoopsinsider. Always nice to have an additional voice on here. I'm anxious for the season to really get going.

Nothing better than D3 hoops! Looking forward to contributing any way I can. More great games today!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 14, 2022, 02:59:44 PM
Weekend Results:

North Central 81 UD 70  Ouch.  North Central is for real--shoots over 50% from three, Matt Helwig goes off.  I don't see how NCC won't be at the top of the CCIW.

UD 68 Carroll 53  UD back on track after NCC loss.  Great team defense and intensity on Carroll's home floor--great bounce back game shows UD deserves to be favored in the ARC again.

Loras 120 Greenville 92  Loras feasts on The System after the bad loss to CUC.

Macalaster 79 Wartburg 71  OT  This is game the Knights should win over a middling team even on the road.  Wartburg is loaded with 5th year seniors, but I'm not sure they deserved three conference first place preseason votes.   Guard oriented team that shot terribly in this one.

NWU 86 Colorado College 67  Wolves beat up a traditionally weak CC. 

BVU beats two SLIAC teams, Westminster and Fontbonne.   Not sure what to take from that.

Graceland 73 Coe 63  Elvis goes for a double double as Coe falls to the King and his Court. 

Hamline 61 Luther 58  ARC order is restored as Luther back to losing ways.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on November 14, 2022, 03:12:50 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 14, 2022, 02:59:44 PM
Weekend Results:

North Central 81 UD 70  Ouch.  North Central is for real--shoots over 50% from three, Matt Helwig goes off.  I don't see how NCC won't be at the top of the CCIW.

UD 68 Carroll 53  UD back on track after NCC loss.  Great team defense and intensity on Carroll's home floor--great bounce back game shows UD deserves to be favored in the ARC again.

Loras 120 Greenville 92  Loras feasts on The System after the bad loss to CUC.

Macalaster 79 Wartburg 71  OT  This is game the Knights should win over a middling team even on the road.  Wartburg is loaded with 5th year seniors, but I'm not sure they deserved three conference first place preseason votes.   Guard oriented team that shot terribly in this one.

NWU 86 Colorado College 67  Wolves beat up a traditionally weak CC. 

BVU beats two SLIAC teams, Westminster and Fontbonne.   Not sure what to take from that.

Graceland 73 Coe 63  Elvis goes for a double double as Coe falls to the King and his Court. 

Hamline 61 Luther 58  ARC order is restored as Luther back to losing ways.

I have to disagree on the Wartburg take. Macalester went on a run at the end of last season and  almost won the MIAC conference tournament. They  have most of their scoring back from that team and Wartburg was playing without all-conference guard Drew Olson. Not to mention being on the road.

I watched both UD games and while they should be favored, I think the ARC is far more wide open than many think it will be. The Spartans lack consistent 3pt shooting (11-42 in two games) and depth which can sneak up on you when you least expect it. Their starting 5 is likely the best in the ARC from what I have seen however.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 14, 2022, 05:28:14 PM
We'll see about Wartburg, same guys who haven't been able to get over the UD hump the last two years, but hey it's a new season.

UD has been without Hunter Snyder, out with injury, his return will add a second unit point guard and 3 point shooting.  I'm not worried about UD from beyond the arc, shot 34.5 % as a team last year, I understand no Peter Ragan, but five rotation guys were 33% or better.  Two games is a small sample size, especially against NCC who might turn out to be the best team UD plays all season. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on November 14, 2022, 08:06:17 PM
Agreed SpartyBlue, Snyder will make a big difference in their 3pt shooting. Dubuque is clearly the favorite and opening against a team as good as NCC was a tough draw.

Crazy to think we will see conference matchups next Tuesday already. Luther @ Coe, Dubuque at Wartburg and Loras @ Simpson.

Should be a great season!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 15, 2022, 12:10:47 PM
Quote from: D3hoopsinsider on November 14, 2022, 08:06:17 PM
Agreed SpartyBlue, Snyder will make a big difference in their 3pt shooting. Dubuque is clearly the favorite and opening against a team as good as NCC was a tough draw.

Crazy to think we will see conference matchups next Tuesday already. Luther @ Coe, Dubuque at Wartburg and Loras @ Simpson.

Should be a great season!

Nice to have you aboard!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 15, 2022, 12:41:09 PM
ARC Games of Interest This Week:

Wartburg vs. Grinnell  Knights should get first win here--they have the formula to dice up the The System, ballhandlers

BVU @ St. John's  We'll learn a lot about the Beavers against a high quality opponent. 

Illinois Wesleyan vs. NWU  Battle of the methodists...intriguing matchup...IWU will be out for blood after UWSP slip up...has NWU made improvements? 

NWU vs. UW-Oshkosh  Another quality opponent for the Wolves coming off a bad loss.  Very interesting matchup here. How will Peter Lash do against these teams?

Elmhurst @ BVU  #23 Elmhust has been rolling--will the long trip to Storm Lake factor here?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on November 19, 2022, 07:26:54 PM
Tough day in the ARC as everyone lost except for Central. A few recaps:

NWU went 0-2 but looked VERY good against top flight opponents in Illinois Wesleyan and Oshkosh. Could have very easily won both games the way they played. I think they will be one of the teams most likely to push UD for the top spot in the conference this year.

Wartburg went 1-1 with a win over Concordia Wisconsin and a loss to a ranked UW-Lacrosse team. Still no Drew Olson for the Knights as they head into a big matchup with Dubuque on Tuesday.

Coe was down 20 at half to Ripon and lost 80-64. They really struggled to defend and take care of the ball (20 turnovers). Ripon is a very good team that was picked to win the MWC but the Kohawks need to figure some things out if they are going to compete in the ARC this year.

Buena Vista lost by large margins to St. John's and Elmhurst. Tough to gauge these games as both teams were ranked. I think BV will be in the top half of the league but their depth will ultimately decide where they end up in my opinion.

Central went 2-0 this weekend beating Webster and Westminster pretty handily. While the opponents for the Dutch have not been the strongest, there seems to be a renewed vigor in the playing style for the Dutch under new head coach Joe Steinkamp.

Loras moves to 1-2 after a bad loss against Principia. Loras really struggles to defend, as has been the issue in past years, and seem to be searching for their offensive identity without McGowen and Navigato. Heading to Indianola on Tuesday will be a very intriguing matchup as Simpson is still undefeated on the year.

Luther loses 49-48 against MSOE. They head to Cedar Rapids to take on the Kohawks Tuesday, so we will know much more about both programs coming out of that game.

To me the most intriguing matchups on Tuesday are Wartburg vs. Dubuque and Simpson vs. Loras. Simpson was picked low in the conference but is playing very well to start the year. We will see if SpartyBlue is right and the Knights struggle again to get over the UD hump on Tuesday!

My Tuesday ARC Picks:
Wartburg over Dubuque
Coe over Luther
Simpson over Loras

Let the ARC season begin!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 21, 2022, 05:11:05 PM
I'm so old the conference games were always Friday/Saturday.  Luckily and I'm on here enough I can be reminded of when a game is coming up.  And most all games i can watch from the comfort of my living room, other than when we go to visit our daughter and catch one in person.  Looking forward to the Dubuque/Wartburg match up. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on November 23, 2022, 11:56:31 AM
68-60 road victories are always a good win.  Go Spartans!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2022, 04:13:40 PM
More importantly, road CONFERENCE victories are always a good win.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: restling on November 24, 2022, 12:18:59 AM
Quote from: Greek Tragedy on November 23, 2022, 04:13:40 PM
More importantly, road CONFERENCE victories are always a good win.
Current  Dubuque seniors haven't lost a road conference game since they were freshman.   
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 24, 2022, 08:03:17 AM
UD 68 Wartburg 60  UD picks up big road win over a team who many think is their chief rival for a conference championship.  Spartans do it with defense--just too many athletic mismatches; however, to Wartburg's credit they battled back, but this UD team is experienced and knows how to win.  Offensively very uneven performance by UD, shot it very poorly--didn't matter.  I really think Sparty is a head above everyone else in the ARC, and when the offense clicks, watch out.

Loras 80 Simpson 69  Loras comes off a rough loss at Principia and throttles Simpson on the road.  Storm made to look average--shows that an early easy schedule can be deceptive. 

Coe 79 Luther 66  Not much to say here...Coe looks uneven, @ Edgewood is an interesting game on Saturday. Luther doing Luther things, i.e. losing.

Bethany Lutheran 79 Central 74    Dutch ain't much in this one, although BL moves to 5-0.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: DBQ1965 on November 26, 2022, 08:24:17 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 21, 2022, 05:11:05 PM
I'm so old the conference games were always Friday/Saturday.  Luckily and I'm on here enough I can be reminded of when a game is coming up.  And most all games i can watch from the comfort of my living room, other than when we go to visit our daughter and catch one in person.  Looking forward to the Dubuque/Wartburg match up.

Those were the days.  No mid-week distractions to interrupt academic discipline (ha ha) and a weekend of sport excitement.. I do remember Vern Den Herder playing for  Central.


playing
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 28, 2022, 02:24:02 PM
North Central (MN.) 82 NWU 74  NWU held to a poor shooting night on its home floor--a bit of a surprise.  Filer goes off for 31 for NC. 

Coe 54 Edgewood 49  Grinder game for Coe, very uninspiring offensively.  Really a weak early schedule for the Kohawks, @ Loras on Wed. will show us more.

UD 77 Monmouth 74  Monmouth comes alive in the second half with lights out three point shooting, but not enough, as UD does what good teams do, holds on to win.

North Park 82 Loras 72  The Boyds return to the Key City and knock off their old program.  Loras falls to 2-3 and hasn't looked impressive at all.

NWU 151 Greenville 99  GU falls to 0-7 and is quickly becoming the Washington Generals of midwest D3 programs.

UD 84 Blackburn 73  UD goes to 5-1 on their road tour, looking forward to a home matchup with BV on Wed.  Prochaska goes out late first half with a forehead gash in this one, hopefully back for the BV game. 

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on November 30, 2022, 11:00:27 PM
Great night of American Rivers Conference hoops!

Dubuque looks like the real deal, dominated a solid BV team from start to finish. When Brock Simon is shooting like that (4-7), the Spartans are incredibly difficult to beat. Athletic on both ends of the floor and 10-25 from 3. Will be interesting to see them go to Central who just beat NWU on the road.

The surprise of the night is Central going into Lincoln and pulling out a win over NWU. They were really in control most of the game before a late Prairie Wolves run. The Dutch look much improved and are defending at a very high level. Playing two 6'9 post guys together makes them very difficult to score and rebound against. They head into a huge home game against Dubuque on Saturday.

Wartburg beats Luther by 10 but it was a tight contest for most of the game. Still no Drew Olson for Wartburg, not sure if injured or when he will be back. Luther heads to Lincoln Saturday and Wartburg takes on Bethany Lutheran.

Loras pulls out an OT game with the Kohawks, really great game that Loras controlled until Coe made it interesting. Coe is really going to rely heavily on Cael Schmitt in these games but when you look at their roster they are a fairly young and inexperienced team playing only one Senior. Loras moves to a 2-0 start in conference play.

More great games coming Saturday!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 01, 2022, 09:37:10 AM
I saw UD was up at the half.  By the time I was able to put the game on it was down to a 2 point UD lead and I figured I was bad luck and turned it off.  Guess I should have kept the game on and switched around to the other conference games during breaks.  Some interesting results last night. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 01, 2022, 11:24:20 AM
Good assessment D3...UD handles BV fairly easily--Beavers were hot early, couldn't sustain, UD just too athletic at all positions and present such matchup problems for ARC teams.  When the Spartans start hitting threes, they are very difficult to overcome.  Also very tough defensively, Neubaum came in averaging 23.7 was held to 10 points on 3-8 from the field. 

Spartans are now 6-1, ranked 22nd by Massey, @ Central, vs. Augustana, vs. NWU--win those and should start getting national poll looks again in my opinion.

Central over NWU in Omaha was somewhat surprising, although I will say, I haven't been very high on NWU.  This win does add significance to the UD/Central game this Saturday...UD has won the last 7 games going away, can Central turn the tide?  I think UD controls the tempo, plays fast, and overwhelms the Dutch, but we'll see.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 01, 2022, 05:16:49 PM
Quote from: DBQ1965 on November 26, 2022, 08:24:17 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on November 21, 2022, 05:11:05 PM
I'm so old the conference games were always Friday/Saturday.  Luckily and I'm on here enough I can be reminded of when a game is coming up.  And most all games i can watch from the comfort of my living room, other than when we go to visit our daughter and catch one in person.  Looking forward to the Dubuque/Wartburg match up.

Those were the days.  No mid-week distractions to interrupt academic discipline (ha ha) and a weekend of sport excitement.. I do remember Vern Den Herder playing for  Central.


playing
So do I! I have collected a couple autographs way back when.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 01, 2022, 05:19:25 PM
Looking forward to getting back to some Central games this year. Really happy with the new coach selection. Joe Steinkamp was always a 110% player when he played for the Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 01, 2022, 05:36:06 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on November 24, 2022, 08:03:17 AM
I really think Sparty is a head above everyone else in the ARC, and when the offense clicks, watch out.

Bethany Lutheran 79 Central 74    Dutch ain't much in this one, although BL moves to 5-0.
No doubt Central has been down, but looking forward to UD game Saturday. Dutch beat NWU for first time in years last night. Sparty probably won't be a physical head above our 2 6'10" starters.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 03, 2022, 07:43:49 PM
Nice game by the Dutch today to start out 2-0 in conference play. Takes awhile for teams to adjust to a new coach and new scheme. Looks like they are settling in well. Nice wire to wire lead for the Dutch against a solid UD team that didn't give us much height advantage. The Dutch did everything right today. Outstanding defensive play holding their top scorer well below his average. Strong on the boards to win the rebounding battle. It wasn't just the big guys either. Josh Van Gorp scored 23 and had 13 rebounds, but he couldn't have done it without the guys getting the ball to him. Fun to see the Brand brothers turning in some quality playing time. I'm sure Grandpa Brand was watching. Grant Johnson played a great game and battled through adversity. Nice job starting out 2-0 against teams that have had our number for too many years.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 04, 2022, 07:01:53 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on December 01, 2022, 11:24:20 AM
Central over NWU in Omaha was somewhat surprising, although I will say, I haven't been very high on NWU.  This win does add significance to the UD/Central game this Saturday...UD has won the last 7 games going away, can Central turn the tide?  I think UD controls the tempo, plays fast, and overwhelms the Dutch, but we'll see.
Apparently seeing has removed the ability to comment. The crickets are deafening.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 05, 2022, 11:45:20 AM
Central 68 UD 58     Huge win for the Dutch, outstanding defensive effort holds UD to an abysmal 28% from the field.  The bigs really disrupted UD's offensive flow and frequently forced bad shot selection.  Central won the rebounding battle 48-33, limiting second chance points and outscored UD 38-18 in the paint.  At 2-0 Central puts themselves into legit contender status at the top of the ARC...one road loss doesn't doom UD, an interesting non-con game with Augustana looms Wednesday and then a huge game at home Saturday vs. NWU; a win that would be nice for either team going into a 3 week conference hiatus.

Loras 75 BV 67  Duhawks move to 3-0 in the ARC

Simpson 74 Coe 63  Storm show they're for real, hold court at home to move to 1-1.  Easton Darling with 26.

NWU 72 Luther 48
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 05, 2022, 03:50:21 PM
Hey SpartyBlue thanks for being a good sport. I was just ribbing you for a couple of your comments. No offense intended. The Dutch are off to a good start in the conference, but way too many games ahead of us. We are off to a much better start this year, just one win away from tying last year's total number of wins. We have to keep improving and I think Coach Steinkamp can do that. Just 2 games in we can't really be a legitimate contender. It sure feels good to get wins that have been losses too often.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 05, 2022, 04:04:51 PM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on December 05, 2022, 03:50:21 PM
Hey SpartyBlue thanks for being a good sport. I was just ribbing you for a couple of your comments. No offense intended. The Dutch are off to a good start in the conference, but way too many games ahead of us. We are off to a much better start this year, just one win away from tying last year's total number of wins. We have to keep improving and I think Coach Steinkamp can do that. Just 2 games in we can't really be a legitimate contender. It sure feels good to get wins that have been losses too often.

No worries, credit where its due.  Van Gorp changes the game for you.  He is a load to guard, needs to be doubled over on often opening up the perimeter for your improved guard play.  I think the coach also made a huge difference here.  The Dutch fought hard the whole way, whereas in the past they would fold after some pressure was applied, not a criticism but reflection of the persistent losing over time.  It will be interesting to see how your team progresses as the season continues. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 06, 2022, 03:36:09 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on December 05, 2022, 04:04:51 PM
No worries, credit where its due.  Van Gorp changes the game for you.  He is a load to guard, needs to be doubled over on often opening up the perimeter for your improved guard play.  I think the coach also made a huge difference here.  The Dutch fought hard the whole way, whereas in the past they would fold after some pressure was applied, not a criticism but reflection of the persistent losing over time.  It will be interesting to see how your team progresses as the season continues.
Couldn't agree more. The Dutch of recent years just couldn't seem to hold a lead until the end of the game. Prior coaching would not call time outs when momentum shifted and would then be critical of the players after the game. This coach played for Central and was a defensive beast. Didn't make a name for himself scoring, but worked hard every minute he was in the game. He was also an assistant under Mike Boschee, when Central was successful. I am looking for good things from him.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on December 07, 2022, 09:51:20 PM
Dubuque over Augustana 65-59

Dubuque with the comeback victory after having been down by double digits in the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 09, 2022, 09:10:22 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on December 07, 2022, 09:51:20 PM
Dubuque over Augustana 65-59

Dubuque with the comeback victory after having been down by double digits in the 2nd half.

Great comeback by UD in the Rumble for Route 61, taking a CCIW scalp is always nice.  UD was able to get McCants in multiple one on one post up situations in the second half where he could use his athleticism to exploit the mismatch.  Hunter Snyder also had a huge game with 20 pts. and several defensive hustle plays.   Outstanding team defense has become somewhat of a calling card for this team, offense has yet to really roll for a 40 minutes, although BV game was close.

Big matchup tomorrow vs. NWU.  I think UD's defense will take the day here, not sure the Wolves can match up athletically, we shall see. 

Massey predictions for weekend games

UD (32) 74    NWU (93) 69
Wartburg (120) 81  Simpson (144) 74
BV (111) 72   Luther (286) 61
Coe (106)  72   Central (115) 66
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: itsnotmeitsyou on December 11, 2022, 12:37:09 AM
Don't foul the DuHawks and put them on the FT line this year!! Shooting .793 as a team thru 8 games (good for 7th nationally) and just dropped 30-35 vs UW-Stout.

- Their 176 made FT's are more than 32 of the top 35 FT percentage made teams in the country have ATTEMPTED!!!!
- They are 4th nationally in avg. FT attempts per game.
- They rank #1 nationally in avg. FT's made per game.
- Only St. Vincent has made more total FT's (190 vs 176).

- The ARC is well represented in FT's made per game:
1) Loras 22.0
7) NWU 17.8
11) Simpson 17.4
26) Buena Vista 16.1
29) Wartburg 15.8

(No wonder why ARC games take FOREVER to play!!)
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 12, 2022, 11:23:46 PM
Another conference road win for Central Saturday at Coe. Coe did a great job of guarding Van Gorp like a second skin front and back at the same time. Johnson Ickes up some of the slack with a career high scoring game at 17. Several players made some nice 3s. Keep it going Dutch, you can only improve over last year having already reached last year's total wins. Nice to see central sitting at the top of the conference again. Keep working hard to improve and keeping your focus one game at a time. Shake 'em up Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 18, 2022, 04:55:58 PM
UD 80 NW MN 65  Nice home win for the Spartans heading into Las Vegas vs. Franklin and Marshall/Ramapo.  At 9-2, 3-1 UD is well-positioned to make a run at another conference title although big tests @ Loras and @ Simpson await in early January.  Good to see UD back on track with 3 nice wins in a row after the Central loss.  Now ranked #26 Massey and creeping back into the national picture in my opinion. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 08, 2023, 10:53:46 PM
Wasn't sure what to expect from the Dutch after a disappointing showing at Wartburg. Central takes the majority of Christmas break with no games and seem to come out stumbling after break even in good seasons. I hope Central starts scheduling more Christmas break games in the future. After the Wartburg game I felt it was gut check time for the Dutch. Would that loss lead to a downward trend reminiscent of recent years or would they learn from it, make corrections and bounce back? The Loras game reassured me they could and did bounce back. Nice finish to the game. Was not impressed with Loras sportsmanship throughout the game. They seemed awfully feisty and not in a good way. One flagrant foul and one technical went a long way towards helping Central win the game. Fantastic night for Central bigs. Van Gorp continues his climb in shooting percentage stats and Johnson really moves the ball around very well. He is also a better outside shooter than he thinks he is. He shys away from wide open 3 pt shots, but is so good at finding the open man he doesn't take most of those shots. Keep it going Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 11, 2023, 10:55:59 PM
Central battles it out with BV tonight and comes away with the win. I thought it would be easier, but we got the job done. They did a good job of shutting out Van Gorp, fortunately the rest of the team stepped up. Another outstanding game by Grant Johnson. BV made a really nice run with a hot streak behind the arc. It really shifted the momentum. Increased defense and the hit streak went cold allowing Central to regain momentum and finish strong.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on January 14, 2023, 09:00:30 AM
It has been quite a roller coaster in the ARC lately. Central and Loras leading the way with a number of teams right behind them. I think it is going to be a really exciting finish to the conference season.

I am surprised no one in this thread has mentioned the play of the Kohawks. They have won 3 straight over UD, BV and Wartburg with all 3 being double digit victories. Cael Schmitt has been elite, he very well may he the best player in the conference along with Van Gorp and Sabet. Couple that with hyper athletic forward TJ Schnurr and some other nice pieces, it will be interesting to see if Coe can continue making a run next week.

I hate the term "must win" but UD and Wartburg need a win today if they are going to keep themselves in the mix at the top of the league. An exciting slate of games coming up today!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on January 14, 2023, 11:50:52 AM
Curious to know what's up with Dubuque. They basically ran away with the league last year and returned nearly everyone this season. They've lost 3 League games all by double digits.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on January 14, 2023, 12:14:23 PM
It sure didn't help losing 2x ARC MVP!! Peter Ragen was a great player but maybe an even better leader for the Spartans during their run.

Like I told SpartyBlue earlier this season, 3pt shooting is their biggest weakness. They are currently 8 of 9 in 3fg% at 30%. That isn't going to cut it. We will see if they can get back to form today against Simpson on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on January 15, 2023, 07:49:55 PM
Quick recap of yesterday's ARC games:

Central @ Luther: Close contest all the way thru, Luther tied it on a jumper late but Drew Edwards sprung free for a layup in the last few seconds to win it for the Dutch. Central leads the ARC at 6-1 while Luther falls to 0-7 (tough year again for the Norse).

NWU vs Loras: NWU with more late game heroics, this time out of Carter Glenn who put the PWolves up with an and one with under 10sec to go leading to the NWU win.

UD @ Simpson: Story of the game was Rashad McCants, who had 35 and 10 in the win for the Spartans. I believe he had at least 21 in the first half and looked unstoppable. Big win for Sparty who wold have dropped to a tie for 6th with a loss.

Wartburg @ BV: Wartburg with a big road win here. Drew Olson is back and has played well the last two games. Watch out for a Knight run in the second half of league play with a full strength lineup. Not sure what is up with the Beavers, who fall to 1-7 in league play. From what I have gathered talking to those around the league, they are not 100% healthy right now. They are still extremely well coached and I wouldn't be shocked if they beat anyone down the stretch.

My game of the week is Coe @ NWU on Wednesday. NWU has won 3 games in a row and are playing really good basketball but the Kohawks have won 6 of their last 7 and are white hot. Something will have to give. I think the Kohawks will prevail behind the play of Cael Schmitt and the fact that they have the size/athleticism to matchup with Peter Lash.

Loras @ Wartburg is another big one Wednesday night, I'm taking the Knights as they always play well against the Duhawks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 20, 2023, 11:59:04 AM
Big ARC weekend.  Seven teams scrambling for 6 spots and those coveted top 3 home seeds are up for grabs. 

Current standings:

Central 7-1
NWU 6-2
UD 5-3
Loras 5-3
Simpson 4-4
Coe 4-4
Wartburg 4-4
BV 1-7
Luther 0-8

Weekend matchups:

Central @ UD  Huge game here, Central can tighten its hammerlock on a conference championship by knocking off Sparty at home.  Central was shaky against Luther last weekend, but keeps winning.  UD got healthy vs. Simpson and Luther.  Can UD slow down Van Gorp inside?  Jaylin McCants presents huge matchup problems, can Central contain him? This will be a grinder of a game.  No word on Bryce Prochaska being back or not for UD, his size presence inside would help defensively, has been out with illness.

Simpson @ Coe  Coe was rolling along until NWU took them down at home last weekend.   I just don't believe Simpson has the talent of the other 6 contenders after taking Coe and Wartburg scalps in early Dec., it's been a struggle. Kohawks should roll here.

Loras @ BV  Loras has offensive firepower but has dropped two straight after winning Key City Classic.  BV just hasn't shown anything this season, just don't have the athleticism to hang with teams.  Duhawks win big.

NWU @ Luther  The Norse are 0-8 but aren't the complete cupcake they usually are.  They are hanging in games and the bigs in the middle are an annoyance.  NWU is starting to put it together and eyeing Central for the top spot.  Look for Wolves to win handily. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 21, 2023, 09:23:49 PM
Congratulations to UD they didn't overlook us twice. They jumped out quick and never looked back. Central did not play sharp today, but I knew beating UD at home would be a challenge even on a good day. Too many empty trips to the Central side of the floor. It was a rough shooting performance for the Dutch. We get a break Wednesday night then back at it against Coe next Saturday. There is just so much parity in the conference this year. The average score for the top scoring team to the next to the lowest scoring team (Central) is 10 points. Any given day... I am just glad to see Central still in 1st after a loss.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: restling on January 23, 2023, 05:38:54 PM
Luther beating Nebraska Wesleyan, and almost beating Central last week, means there really isn't an off night for anyone.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 23, 2023, 05:50:41 PM
UD 67 Central 61  Spartans control this one from the tip with defensive intensity and good team execution on the offensive end.  This really was a 8-12 margin type game throughout.  Central is a tough squad with Van Gorp anchoring, but UD had the game plan--Be as physical as you can with Van Gorp, make Johnson make more plays and decisions, he went 0 for 8, rebound hard and limit offensive second chances with hard closeouts on the three shooters.  Central is tough, but really feel that UD is the more dynamic team.   UD also generated much more offensive flow and shot better than the offensive debacle that was the game in Pella.

Luther 79 NUW 65  The Norse had been competing, but this one is still a shocker.  NWU had been rolling. Didn't watch this game, so not sure what happened here.  Box scores are pretty similar, but 50 second half points for Luther decides it. 

The ARC conference championship is up for grabs after Saturday.  Central loses to drop to 7-2, UD/Loras/NWU all 6-3, Coe is very dangerous at 5-4, and Wartburg coming on with the return of Olson.  Simpson is 5-4 but I don't think has the talent and is with BV/Luther on the outside looking in. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 23, 2023, 08:33:55 PM
Just curious, this is a first time I have noticed it for Central and wonder if there are other dynamic duos out there. Have any of the other conference schools had a brother and sister become conference basketball player of the week in the same season? I have to admit I was a really poor Central fan last year, so I could have missed it then. I think Josh Van Gorp has been conference MVP three times this year and his sister Allison is conference MVP this week. Central doesn't have games Wednesday so I thought I would throw the question out there.

Also for the Luther announcer that said they were twins, they are not. Also the Brand brothers are not twins either. Yes they are the same age and look very similar, but they are triplets along with their sister.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on January 24, 2023, 07:39:38 PM
It was quite a week for the conference. NWU rolls white hot Coe on Wednesday then turns around and loses to winless Luther on Saturday. I rewatched the NWU Luther game and it was tied 65-65 with less than 3 minutes to go before Luther finished the game on a 14-0 run!! No off night in the ARC this year is right.

I am at a loss for who is going to come out as the conference champion this year. Central is so unique in how they play which has been very effective but I also think teams will figure them out the second time around, much like Dubuque did on Saturday. It will be a race to the finish and this is a year where I wouldn't be surprised if the conference champion doesn't win the tournament.

On another note, I attended the Simpson Coe game in person on Saturday and the Kohawks look fantastic. They are very athletic and have great length across the board. Cael Schmitt was elite once again and TJ Schnurr very well may be a 1st team all conference player as well. Don't be surprised if they find away into the top 3 by year's end. On the other side of the coin, Simpson seems to be searching and are trying to get off a 4 game skid.

The Wartburg Dubuque game on Wednesday night is a big one. A Wartburg win would go a long way towards locking themselves into the conference tournament and a Spart victory puts them at the same number of wins as Central.

By week's end the standings are likely to look completely different than they do today. Excited to see some great games this week!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: D3hoopsinsider on January 24, 2023, 07:44:51 PM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on January 23, 2023, 08:33:55 PM
Just curious, this is a first time I have noticed it for Central and wonder if there are other dynamic duos out there. Have any of the other conference schools had a brother and sister become conference basketball player of the week in the same season? I have to admit I was a really poor Central fan last year, so I could have missed it then. I think Josh Van Gorp has been conference MVP three times this year and his sister Allison is conference MVP this week. Central doesn't have games Wednesday so I thought I would throw the question out there.

Also for the Luther announcer that said they were twins, they are not. Also the Brand brothers are not twins either. Yes they are the same age and look very similar, but they are triplets along with their sister.

The only sibling duo I can remember playing together was JT and Matt Vonderhaar from Coe. Both were all-conference performers but I do not believe they were ever conference players of the week in the same season. Coe also had brothers be back to back all-conference performers when Josh and Cael Schmitt did it a few years back.

Love this discussion, would be interested in hearing more sibling "dynamic duos" on the men's and women's side in ARC history.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 25, 2023, 04:11:00 PM
I should have corrected from conference MVP to POW. I would guess a number of schools have had siblings on the women's team or the men's team a number of times. I know Central has. It doesn't seem that siblings on both men's and women's teams at the same time should be that much different. Yet I can think of siblings who played at the same time on either the men's or women's team, the aspect of one on each is new to me. Central had the same pair last year, I just wasn't able to make the games easily then because of my work schedule. The fact that they have both been POW is impressive. Though at 6'10" for Josh and 6'3" for Allison, they do have a definite advantage.  :)

As I said Central does have two brothers on the men's team this year and they have a sister who may play basketball, but had to leave Central for health reasons. Thankfully I believe she was planning to return this semester.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 25, 2023, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: D3hoopsinsider on January 24, 2023, 07:39:38 PM

I am at a loss for who is going to come out as the conference champion this year. Central is so unique in how they play which has been very effective but I also think teams will figure them out the second time around, much like Dubuque did on Saturday. It will be a race to the finish and this is a year where I wouldn't be surprised if the conference champion doesn't win the tournament.
If you mean feeding the ball relentlessly to Josh Van Gorp, Coe was the first team to double/triple team him like a second skin. Pretty much every team since Coe has done that. It allows others to become open and score. UD caught us on a bad shooting night, part of it was their defense, but there were a lot of uncontested shots that just didn't go through as they have in other games. Grant Johnson has had some great games and normally scores a couple of 3 pointers where teams leave him wide open and he has made them pay. Our outside shooters have got to pick up if Josh is shut down. Saturday they just were not able to do that. If you look at the last few games though Josh's scoring average has really dropped.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 26, 2023, 02:51:13 PM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on January 25, 2023, 04:23:51 PM
Quote from: D3hoopsinsider on January 24, 2023, 07:39:38 PM

I am at a loss for who is going to come out as the conference champion this year. Central is so unique in how they play which has been very effective but I also think teams will figure them out the second time around, much like Dubuque did on Saturday. It will be a race to the finish and this is a year where I wouldn't be surprised if the conference champion doesn't win the tournament.
If you mean feeding the ball relentlessly to Josh Van Gorp, Coe was the first team to double/triple team him like a second skin. Pretty much every team since Coe has done that. It allows others to become open and score. UD caught us on a bad shooting night, part of it was their defense, but there were a lot of uncontested shots that just didn't go through as they have in other games. Grant Johnson has had some great games and normally scores a couple of 3 pointers where teams leave him wide open and he has made them pay. Our outside shooters have got to pick up if Josh is shut down. Saturday they just were not able to do that. If you look at the last few games though Josh's scoring average has really dropped.

I loved the strategy of playing off of Johnson and making him try and create something.  He's a 24.5% 3 point shooter on the season (6-25 in January); he looked really lost against UD when left on an island with everyone else being hard guarded. 

You are right your guards have to pick it up, but the other point here is to try and key on Terrell and limit his uncontested looks, he shoots the 3 at 40.5%, after that there's a real drop off.  It will be interesting to see if Central can get back on the winning track vs. Coe and NWU and @ Loras in its next three. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 26, 2023, 04:06:44 PM
Hey Sparty Blue glad you are still enjoying the high of beating Central. I mean we were picked to finish 8th in the conference, so I can see what an accomplishment it was. As a Central fan I am just enjoying the ride. We already have five more wins than last year so whatever happens, this is a great season for first year head Coach Steinkamp. Getting to spend almost the entire first half of the season in first place is just the cream cheese icing on the cake. I look for some tough games ahead in a conference where no one team has really dominated. Hopefully we can continue winning at home and pick up a few on the road.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 27, 2023, 11:27:06 AM
I was enjoying it, but then we lost to Wartburg.  For sure the Dutch are much improved and a tough match up.  It's good for the conference to have this kind of parity with really no doormat teams this year.  Case in point, Luther is riding a crazy two game streak over Coe and NWU, two teams they were a combined 0 for their last 16 against. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 28, 2023, 02:44:20 PM
Central only beat Luther by 2 on the road. Just glad we get them, Coe, Wartburg and NWU at home.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on January 28, 2023, 07:58:08 PM
Luther 44 - BV 43 as a FINAL score??? Wow or woe? 

First half battle with Coe had Central up by one at the half. Dutch lost way too many passes trying to get the ball to Van Gorp. Second half Central stepped up the shooting percentage from 40% to 64% for a great finish 85-71.

It was a Coaches vs Cancer game tonight. I would like to ask for prayers from those so inclined for Summer Brand, Kaleb and Nolan's triplet. She was hoping to return to Central this semester, but her lymphoma is back. To say it is personal for the men's team is an understatement. Very fitting that Kaleb and Nolan combined for all 28 of Central's bench points tonight. They both played an outstanding game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 31, 2023, 03:20:06 PM
ARC Weekend Results

UD 75 NWU 61  Huge road win for Sparty, control this one for the duration.  UD answered every NWU bucket and kept this a 10-14 lead, did an outstanding job passing through the gaps in the NWU 3-2 zone, 32 points in the paint. 

Wartburg 81 Simpson 74  Wartburg wins fourth straight to move to 6-4 in the ARC.  Simpson rapidly fading from postseason contention.

Central 85 Coe 71  Big win for the Dutch here, covered by Schipper.

Luther 44 BV 43  Ahh, brings back memories of the 1929 Norse/Beaver matchup, Luther 25 BV 15 in that one. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on January 31, 2023, 03:30:08 PM
Wipeout Wednesday in the ARC

Loras 7-3 @ Coe 5-6  Kohawks looked like world beaters three weeks ago, have lost 3 of last 4.  Duhawks up and down, inconsistent and have not been a good road team.  Every game is huge now for conference title contention and tournament seeding. 

UD 7-4 @ BV 1-10  McCants is back for Sparty.  UD dominated BV at home, looks for 8th win to keep pace with Central.

NWU 7-4 @  Central 8-2   Game of the week here.  Dutch have been unbeatable at home and NWU has been looking shaky--I just don't think the Wolves have the athleticism and toughness yet to match up with the top of the conference.  That said, as a UD fan, pulling for NWU here, a Central loss makes things very interesting heading into this weekend.  Hate to say it, but go Wolves.

Luther 3-8 @ Wartburg 6-4  The mighty Norse storm out of Decorah, winners of three straight.  Chaminade beats Georgetown!!!  Ok, a tad colder...a road win would be massive and dare we say, pull the Norse into fringe contention for the conference tourney??? Nah.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 01, 2023, 04:42:58 PM
A quick look at the ARC Massey ratings.  Five teams in the top 100.  ARC ranked 8/49.

Dubuque 52   projected final record:  18-6  11-5
Loras 61     16-9  10-6
Central   74    16-8  11-5
NWU  78      15-10  10-6
Coe   79     15-10   9-7
Wartburg 104      13-12  10-6
Simpson  131       13-11  6-10
BV  156    8-16  2-14
Luther 200    7-18        3-13
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 02, 2023, 03:22:40 PM
UD 65 BV 57   UD picks up the perfunctory road win over a surprisingly abysmal Beavers group. 

NWU 76 Central 67   Upset of the week!  This makes things very interesting--four teams with 8 conference wins.  19% shooting in the first half dooms the Dutch.

Loras 79  Coe 75  Big road win for Loras...Coe continues to slip, now just a half game ahead of Simpson for the 6th and final tourney spot. 

Wartburg 66 Luther 50  Luther back to its Luther-ish ways. 

Revised Standings:

Loras 8-3
Central 8-3
UD 8-4
NWU 8-4
Wartburg 7-4
Coe 5-7
Simpson 4-7
Luther 3-9
BV 1-11
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 02, 2023, 07:28:13 PM
Dutch lost a game they should have won last night. Abysmal shooting the first half really put the game out of reach. I was afraid Central would have a woe final score like the Luther-BV game. Have to give credit to my Dutch, they actually made a game out of it after being down 28 in the first half. I didn't think that would be possible. I was expecting a win last night and a probable loss on Saturday, now they need to pull off a road win at Loras to stay on top. I am also wondering why Kaleb Brand hasn't moved to starter status. He has been playing very well, with the exception of the first half last night when none of the Dutch played well.

So is there a record anywhere of most technicals called on opposing teams? Central is really doing well in this category. NWU 2, Coe 2, Simpson 2, UD 1, Loras 1. Central pissing off opponents in 2023.  ;D
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 03, 2023, 08:57:32 AM
While a part of me wants to see UD running away with the conference title, there is another part of me that enjoys seeing the 5th place team 1 game out of 1st place!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 03, 2023, 11:13:16 AM
Weekend Preview:

Central @ Loras  Somebody is taking over first with their 9th win here.  Van Gorp destroyed the Duhawks in Pella, but Loras is tough at home, Duhawks don't have great size, but are athletic.  I suspect Loras will set the tempo,  look for a high scoring shootout with Loras winning. 

NWU @ Wartburg  Both teams are up and down this season, but Knights on a five game roll.  UD absolutely handled NWU last weekend, then NWU comes back and beats Central.  Wartburg is guard-centric and the best 3 pt shooting team by percentage in the ARC.  I suspect the Knights have the slight edge at home on their own rims. 

Coe @ BV  Kohawks are the biggest mystery team to me.  Schmitt and Schnurr are two very tough players, but Coe has dropped 4 out of 5, including a horrible loss @ Luther.  BV has few weapons to stop the Kohawks here, though. 

Simpson @ Luther    The Storm need this to stay in touch with that 6th seed spot, but Decorah has become a tough place to get a win, see:  Norse almost beat Central, wins over NWU, Coe, and BV.  Wouldn't be surprised if Luther rains on the Storm's parade. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 03, 2023, 11:55:33 AM
Pasteur projections are of note--about as close as it gets for the conference championship:

Central (11-5) 36% #1, 26% #2, 19% #3, 12% #4, 7% #5
Loras (11-5) 27% #1, 20% #2, 19% #3, 19% #4, 15% #5
Dubuque (11-5) 21% #1, 27% #2, 24% #3, 17% #4, 8% #5
Nebraska Wesleyan (10-6) 8% #1, 15% #2, 22% #3, 26% #4, 26% #5
Wartburg (9-7) 8% #1, 12% #2, 15% #3, 22% #4, 28% #5, 14% #6
Coe (7-9) 13% #5, 58% #6, 22% #7
Simpson (6-10) 22% #6, 62% #7, 13% #8
Luther (4-12) 13% #7, 77% #8, 8% #9
Buena Vista (2-14) 8% #8, 91% #9
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 03, 2023, 01:14:20 PM
Good work, Sparty. +1
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 03, 2023, 08:47:16 PM
Good analysis of the upcoming games SpartyBlue. As I previously stated, my expectations for a Central win at Loras were not real high. Tough to beat good teams at home. That said I have moved from the odds favoring the home team to toss up and would no longer be surprised by a Central win. Central has proven they can bounce back from a loss and I think some of the momentum from the second half against NWU will carry though to the next game. I think the coaching staff will put together a good game plan with some key matchups for defense as they did when we played UD the first time. We have to win the rebounding battle, get some good blocks and have good outside shooting to take the pressure off Van Gorp. Still a toss up, but the Dutch have something to prove to themselves.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 04, 2023, 07:49:55 PM
Well, I got it wrong, Central did not carry any momentum into the Loras game. They were not dominating the rebounding and we were not getting great outside shooting in the first half. Central is/is becoming a second half team. Luckily we did not stretch the boundary of our comeback ability again. Nice to see Central be able to scratch their way back on the road against a team in first place with us. Of course it helped that Loras only scored 8 points in roughly the last 15 minutes. We lost a game with ice cold shooting and won a game with ice cold shooting. Now if Loras, UD and NWU can just split their winning ways to Central's advantage it would be greatly appreciated. I am glad our second matches with those teams are over. Grant Johnson had a phenomenal game with 26 points. He has improved so much over the season, his confidence level and comfort with the ball have really become a lot of fun to watch! I would love to see him come back for his Covid season.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 07, 2023, 04:35:02 PM
Central 66 Loras 56  Huge road win for the Dutch.  I got it wrong.  Central made Loras play their game. The Dutch controlled the second half and dictated their glacial pace--the size and length of Central really bothered Loras and made everything difficult offensively.  56 points the lowest point total of the year for the Duhawks.  Central is in a good position to win the conference title--relatively easy path to winning out.

BV 79 Coe 77  Coe drops its fourth straight, adding a lot of intrigue to that 6th tournament spot.  Simpson and Luther just a game back of the faltering Kohawks.  Coe needs a repeat performance against UD at home tomorrow. 

Luther 66 Simpson 48  Weird result...Norse get 40 points off the bench and throttle the Storm.  It's amazing what a win will do for a losing team's confidence.  Norse have won 4 out of 5 and are in the mix to make the conference tourney for the first time since the actual Viking era.

NWU 76 Wartburg 68  Parity, parity, parity in the ARC this season.  Wolves go into Waverly and end the Knights' 5 game win streak. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 08, 2023, 10:58:41 PM
Central takes another big step in earning the season conference title with a win over Wartburg. Luther, BV and Simpson are the remaining opponents. The conference standings site doesn't show it yet, but I have to think Central has qualified for the conference tournament. Central also picks up an NCAA rating. Nice first season for Coach Steinkamp and a long awaited return to conference championship contender status. After Luther beats Loras at home we will have to be ready on Saturday for a battle. It was a battle up there and they have some nice momentum building. We just have to nail it down.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 09, 2023, 08:00:41 AM
I realize students working the camera for work study aren't necessarily the most motivated to do a good job.  But this is ridiculous  >:(  Shout out to the announcer for coming up with "Sam Kilburg with the kill shot for the Spartans"  That was well done  ;D

https://twitter.com/itsAntWright/status/1623527827487219713?s=20&t=hvygVM69gza0ss3kZjch_A
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 09, 2023, 10:32:09 AM
UD 67 Coe 65  Sam Kilburg buzzer beater for the win!  As Doolittle indicated, only one possession did the camera operator NOT TURN THE CAMERA...that would be the career highlight dagger by Kilburg.  #d3hoops.  Nonetheless a huge road win for Sparty, home seeding is looking very likely even if the regular season championship is not. 

Central 84 Wartburg 77  Dutch just keep winning, move to 10-3 and looking very likely they'll win the regular season crown, although Saturday's game vs. Luther is looking very interesting because.......

Luther 71 Loras 54   Wow, what a huge upset @ Loras, a very difficult place to play.  Incredibly, Luther has won 5 of 6. How did this happen?  I'm not sure...Loras archived videos disappear like Chinese weather balloons!  I'd like to have watched some of this one.   Loras has hit a chilly offensive stretch, they are at risk of going on the road for a first round tournament game.  Can Luther sneak in to the tourney?? Mathematically, yes.

Simpson 87 BV 62  Just an embarrassing loss for the Beavers, Storm end a seven game skid and stay in postseason contention.

Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: restling on February 09, 2023, 03:44:04 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on February 09, 2023, 08:00:41 AM
I realize students working the camera for work study aren't necessarily the most motivated to do a good job.  But this is ridiculous  >:(  Shout out to the announcer for coming up with "Sam Kilburg with the kill shot for the Spartans"  That was well done  ;D

https://twitter.com/itsAntWright/status/1623527827487219713?s=20&t=hvygVM69gza0ss3kZjch_A

Too bad they weren't students. They were adults, and I told them after the game that they missed the play, and they continued to tell me they moved the camera in time even though I told them many people texted me that they didn't.

Couple that with them making fun of Dubuque players shots, and I have nothing good to say about their effort.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: restling on February 09, 2023, 03:55:43 PM
It's crazy that Loras was tied for first going into Saturday's game, and will be underdogs in their next two.  If they lose them, they could drop to 5th.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 11, 2023, 08:09:06 PM
No real surprises in today's game results except maybe how far Loras has dropped and mostly at home. Do they have injuries that could account for the sudden change? Central really dominated the game with Luther today. We even started today's game with both Josh Van Gorp and Grant Johnson, our two bigs, on the bench for an all senior starting 5. Grant Johnson is a senior, so I hope maybe his not starting means he will come back for his Covid year. Really enjoyed seeing the seniors that rarely play have a few good minutes at the start and end. Thanks guys for all you did to make the starters better. Don't let up against BV or Simpson.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 13, 2023, 05:40:33 PM
Dubuque 75 Simpson 58  Sparty is coming together at the right time. Roll the Storm on senior day, have won 7 out of last 8, huge game on Wed. vs. Loras will help determine the second seed bye.  Sparty wants a bye.  Simpson and Coe will fight for the 6 spot.

Central 81 Luther 54 See schipper.  Central very likely 1 seed in tourney.

NWU 84 Loras 74  I'm not sure what's happened to Loras, have dropped three in a row at home.  Key City Clash on Wed. NWU in the running for 2nd seed, but need a UD loss since UD has beaten them twice. 

Wartburg 73 BV 63 Knights jockeying for seeding and a Tuesday home game. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 15, 2023, 10:31:54 PM
Central wins
Dubuque wins
NWU wins

Central..  12-3
Dubuque 11-4 
Neb Wes  11-4
Loras......  8-7
Wartburg.  8-7
Coe Coll... 6-9
Simpson.. 5-10
Luther.....  5-10
Buena Vista 2-14

Saturday games
Wartburg @ Loras
Dubuque @ Luther
Central @ Simpson
NWU @ Coe
BVU gets to ponder what went wrong.

Wartburg and Loras play for 4th place and which school gets to host the rematch
Coe, Simpson, and Luther get home games against the top 3 teams in their quest for the 6th and final conference playoff spot.
Central, Dubuque, and NWU all playing for a chance at some sort of conference title, be it an outright or shared title. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 16, 2023, 10:46:58 AM
Central is playing with well earned confidence now. We got through the early part of the season relying on strong defense and the ability to get the ball in to Josh Van Gorp for the easier shot. As those shots became more and more contested the outside shooting game picked up steam. Other changes were reduced turnovers and increased assists along with steady rebounding and strong defensive play. Central has grown into their surprising first place status. I don't expect them to stop fighting for it now.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 16, 2023, 11:55:48 AM
Dubuque 66 Loras 61       Sparty takes installment II of the Key City clash in front of a raucous crowd of 1100+.  UD follows their pattern of quick start, controlling the first half, then letting teams creep back in the second half.  That said, UD has won 8 out of 9 and that one loss came without leading scorer, Jaylin McCants.  UD is now 18-6, 11-4, Massey ranked 38th in the 8th rated conference in the nation.  Win at Luther Saturday and Sparty gets a bye with the second seed, probable second round match up with Wartburg or Loras, then hopefully a clash with Central (I'm assuming they'll handle Simpson) in Pella.  UD is fully healthy and has it rolling again after some mid-season trials--time to keep winning!

Central 81 BV 54  Dutch well-positioned for a conference title; however, it's looking like a possible semifinal matchup vs. NWU, a team who beat Central in Pella 76-67 on Feb. 1.

Coe 79 Wartburg 78  Kohawks likely get themselves in with the 6 seed with this road win.  Coe is an extremely dangerous team because of Schmitt and Schnurr.  I'd love to see them on the other side of the bracket as  a UD fan. 

NWU 74 Simpson 57
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 17, 2023, 09:03:24 AM
Thanks for the updates! +1
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 18, 2023, 10:35:49 PM
Central wins 76-74 at Simpson to lock up outright conference championship in the regular season in a game far too close for comfort. First half Simpson and Central fouls were fairly even, but they went to the free throw line consistently where Central always got the ball out of bounds. Ten more free throws kept them in the game and we just couldn't shake them the second half. Central was behind by 1 with exactly one minute remaining in the game. Outstanding play of the game was Kole Tupa guarding the inbounds pass and catching it then being fouled when they tried to take it away. Two free throws put us up, then a basket and one by Kade Terrell with 10 seconds left gave us the winning margin.

Good luck against the Wartburg-Loras winner Thursday night.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 20, 2023, 09:54:46 AM
Central 76 Simpson 74  See above

Dubuque 65 Luther 53   Sparty rains a three barrage down on the Norse to finish 19-6, 12-4 and get the all-important bye and home court for rd. two of conference tourney. 

Coe 73 NWU 60  Coe beats NWU at home but will have turn around and travel to Lincoln tomorrow in a rematch with the Wolves.  Slight advantage to NWU based on home court, but an interesting pick em' type game. 

Loras 84 Wartburg 77 The knights will also have to rematch, traveling back to Dubuque tomorrow to take on the Duhawks on their home court.  Tough task. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 20, 2023, 09:56:00 AM
First Round - Tuesday, Feb. 21, 2023
No. 4 Loras vs. No. 5 Wartburg -- 7:00 p.m.
No. 3 Nebraska Wesleyan vs. No. 6 Coe -- 7:00 p.m.

Semifinals - Thursday, Feb. 23, 2023
No. 1 Central vs. No. 4/5 -- 7:00 p.m.
No. 2 Dubuque vs. No. 3/6 -- 7:00 p.m.

Championship - Saturday, Feb. 25, 2023
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 21, 2023, 10:59:48 PM
Wow. Coe wins by 18 at Nebraska Wesleyan.

Loras holds off Wartburg.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on February 23, 2023, 09:55:43 PM
Coe's hot streak continues, knocking off Dubuque.

Loras upsets top seed Central.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 23, 2023, 11:21:34 PM
Tough game for the Dutch tonight. Loras always starts hot and Central is more a second half team, but we needed a full game tonight. Congratulations to Loras for outplaying us. I thought when we finally tied it up we would take over. We ran out of steam and Loras never gave up. Given the foul troubles and noise of the Central crowd, Loras played well to pull it out. Great game by Van Gorp, but we needed more balanced scoring and we didn't get it.

Would have loved to have this magical season go on longer, but that doesn't diminish what the Dutch accomplished. First place regular season champs when picked to finish 8th made it an extremely fun season. I hate to see it end. Thanks for making a dreary winter exciting. Good luck to Kade and any of the 4th year seniors that are not returning. It was quite the ride!

Good luck to Loras and Coe Saturday night and on into the playoffs for the winner.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 24, 2023, 03:16:01 PM
Coe 78 Dubuque 73  Coe jumps to a 13 points halftime lead on 53% shooting, a furious second half comeback by Sparty falls just short, were within 1 with 2:30 left, Coe hit some tough shots down the stretch to seal it.  UD finishes at 19-7.  Great back and forth D3 game. 

Loras 79 Central 67  See above.

#6 Coe @ #4 Loras   on Saturday for the championship.  I think the fact that 6 v 4 happened shows the quality of the ARC--high quality league with lots of talent that, frankly, gets overshadowed by neighboring CCIW and WIAC.  Any of these four teams will/would be dangerous NCAA tourney opponents. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 24, 2023, 04:51:48 PM
What it shows is that the league is balanced. Can't show overall strength of a conference based on conference games only, however -- that's proven in non-conference contests.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 25, 2023, 09:19:35 AM
Pat is correct. The conference was extremely balanced and every game was a battle. That could very well prove that all of the teams were mediocre with none standing out. None of the teams were ranked this year other than a one week flash by Central in the first NCAA regional rankings. The next week we were out even though we were winning. I am afraid it could be a quick exit from the tournament. I hope I am wrong.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 25, 2023, 09:39:26 AM
There is a silver lining to the abrupt end to Central's season, yes I am reaching. It sounds like senior starters Drew Edwards and Grant Johnson are currently planning to return next year. The Central lineup was very tight this year with primarily 7 players seeing most of the action, the Brand brothers and the starters. Only 5th year player Kade Terrell will be missing next year from that group. The Brand brothers may have to remain first subs as they play too well together to break them up. I know fans will be thrilled that the Sultans of Swat will be back together next year to once again hep Central lead the division in blocked shots. Hopefully Van Gorp can work on his shooting percentage to lead the division next year as well. Much to look forward to for the Dutch.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 25, 2023, 09:45:42 PM
Coe beats Loras at Loras 93-86 to win the conference tournament title and playoff berth. Good luck to the Kohawks. I only watched the last few minutes, but it looked like it was a good game.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 28, 2023, 02:49:00 PM
Most Valuable Player    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown/High School
Josh Van Gorp $    Central    Jr.    C    Pella, Iowa/Pella Christian

Defensive Player of the Year    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown/High School
Cael Schmitt ! &    Coe    Jr.    G    Dubuque, Iowa/Wahlert Catholic

First Team    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown/High School
Grant Johnson    Central    Sr.    F    Van Meter, Iowa/Van Meter
Cael Schmitt ! &    Coe    Jr.    G    Dubuque, Iowa/Wahlert Catholic
TJ Schnurr    Coe    Jr.    F    Algona, Iowa/Bishop-Garrigan Catholic
Jaylin McCants #    Dubuque    So.    G    Galesburg, Ill./Galesburg
Ali Sabet !    Loras    Jr.    G    Glenview, Ill./Maine East
Peter Lash !    Nebraska Wesleyan    So.    G    Charlotte, N.C./Charlotte Christian School
Easton Darling    Simpson    Jr.    G    Winterset, Iowa/Winterset
Jack Molstead # ^    Wartburg    Sr.    G    Charles City, Iowa/Charles City


Second Team    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown/High School
Zane Neubaum # @    Buena Vista    Jr.    G    Rockwell City, Iowa/South Central Calhoun
Kade Terrell    Central    5th Year    G    Montrose, Colo./Montrose
Sam Kilburg ! @    Dubuque    Jr.    G    Eldridge, Iowa/North Scott
Keegan Zimmerman %    Dubuque    Sr.    F    Eureka, Ill./Eureka
Tyler Bass    Loras    So.    G    Washington, Ill./Washington
Ben Gill #    Luther    Jr.    C    Sydney, Australia/Newington College
Keagan John $    Wartburg    5th Year    G    New Hampton, Iowa/New Hampton
Drew Olson !    Wartburg    5th Year    G    Osage, Iowa/Osage Community School


Honorable Mention    School    Year    Pos.    Hometown/High School
Drew Edwards    Central    Sr.    G    Eden Prairie, Minn./Eden Prairie
Brock Simon * # ~    Dubuque    Sr.    G    Cascade, Iowa/Cascade
Walker Andrew    Nebraska Wesleyan    Sr.    F    Littleton, Colo./Heritage
Carter Glenn    Nebraska Wesleyan    So.    G    Lincoln, Neb./Lincoln East
Landon Torneten $    Nebraska Wesleyan    Jr.    F    Council Bluffs, Iowa/Abraham Lincoln
Andrew Gibb    Simpson    Jr.    G    Fort Dodge, Iowa/St. Edmond
Codey Hicks    Wartburg    Sr.    C    Cedar Falls, Iowa/Janesville

Previous Honors
* - 2021-22 Defensive Player of the Year
! - 2021-22 First Team All-Conference
# - 2021-22 Second Team All-Conference
$ - 2021-22 Honorable Mention
& - 2020-21 First Team All-Conference
@ - 2020-21 Second Team All-Conference
~ - 2020-21 Defensive Player of the Year
% - 2020-21 Honorable Mention
^ - 2019-20 Honorable Mention
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 28, 2023, 03:08:26 PM
Coe @ Wash U in the first round of the NCAA.  Upset alert! 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on February 28, 2023, 04:12:15 PM
In addition to the honors SpartyBlue posted, 1st year head coach Joe Steinkamp was named Coach of the year. Congratulations to all!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: TheOsprey on February 28, 2023, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 28, 2023, 03:08:26 PM
Coe @ Wash U in the first round of the NCAA.  Upset alert!
That's a big ask.  I felt Coe is so hot right now, that they would possibly win that first game.  However,  Wash U might be at another level for the underdog and they will be well prepared in their gym.  Goodluck and congrats on the great run by this squad.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 28, 2023, 10:39:10 PM
Quote from: TheOsprey on February 28, 2023, 07:33:52 PM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 28, 2023, 03:08:26 PM
Coe @ Wash U in the first round of the NCAA.  Upset alert!
That's a big ask.  I felt Coe is so hot right now, that they would possibly win that first game.  However,  Wash U might be at another level for the underdog and they will be well prepared in their gym.  Goodluck and congrats on the great run by this squad.

I am guessing that a Pat Juckem-coached team will never take Coe lightly.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on March 17, 2023, 06:07:46 PM
A late congratulations to Josh Van Gorp on his selection to the NABC All American 3rd team. The first player in Central history to do so. Even more awesome is that he is a Pella local, graduating from Pella Christian High School. Way to represent Josh! Love it when the local players stay in town and do well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 24, 2023, 11:52:05 AM
Any word on seniors returning? Central has 2, Dubuque has 6, Neb Wes has 3, Wartburg has 3, but also has 3 5th yr players. Loras and Coe only have 1 listed senior in their top 8.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on April 05, 2023, 12:52:42 PM
With Iowa Wesleyan shutting down I'm curious if any from their basketball team will end up in the ARC.  They were 27-3 last season. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 06, 2023, 11:02:56 PM
Quote from: doolittledog on April 05, 2023, 12:52:42 PM
With Iowa Wesleyan shutting down I'm curious if any from their basketball team will end up in the ARC.  They were 27-3 last season.

Yeah, they were 27-3, but do you have any idea if any of those opponents were any good?

https://www.iwtigers.com/schedule/22/1
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on April 07, 2023, 06:28:59 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on April 05, 2023, 12:52:42 PM
With Iowa Wesleyan shutting down I'm curious if any from their basketball team will end up in the ARC.  They were 27-3 last season.

Considering that IWU's roster was made up entirely of out of state, in fact out of midwest players, and being NAIA they probably received some athletic scholarship money, I'd highly doubt if anyone moves to the ARC. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on April 22, 2023, 08:58:25 PM
I think I recall Neb. Wesleyan's Peter Lash was in the transfer portal last year and then returned. Is he planning on finishing out his athletic career at the school? I haven't heard anything about him entering the portal again. I think Neb. Wes. could be a good team next season, especially if Lash returns.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on October 18, 2023, 07:05:43 PM
Major ARC move! Former Wartburg 1st-team all-conference G Jack Molstead has joined Chris Martin and Loras. Big, big transfer get. Duhawks have quite the core heading into 23-24.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on October 19, 2023, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: Goldy97 on October 18, 2023, 07:05:43 PM
Major ARC move! Former Wartburg 1st-team all-conference G Jack Molstead has joined Chris Martin and Loras. Big, big transfer get. Duhawks have quite the core heading into 23-24.

Oh, I hope this turns out as fun as the time the All-Conference football player from Coe transferred to Wartburg after having a summer roofing job with a Wartburg alum or something along those lines.  Did he get NIL money?  Something simple like a girlfriend at Loras?  Catholic girls with questionable morals lured him away? 

22-23
Loras 9-7
Wartburg 8-8

21-22
Loras 9-7
Wartburg 9-7

20-21
Loras 3-4
Wartburg 2-4

Facilities wise, I would say Loras and Wartburg are an even split.  Success wise, over the past 3 seasons Loras and Wartburg are usually next to each other in the standings.  Waverly is closer to his home than Dubuque.  Fun wise, there is more to do in Dubuque than in Waverly. 

Will be fun to see how everything plays out on the court. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on November 12, 2023, 12:18:33 AM
Loras takes care of business in their first game of the year with a dominant 103-61 win over Principia.

Grad transfer Jack Molstead was as good as advertised, scoring 20 points in his Duhawk debut after transferring from Wartburg. Fellow ARC all-conference guard Ali Sabet added 19 points of his own. That's a talented and experienced backcourt for the Duhawks.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on November 12, 2023, 04:38:23 PM
Central collects another win after a 96-77 win over Principia in an opening weekend invitational at Loras. The game was actually quite competitive for about 75% of the day. The Panthers managed to head into halftime tied at 40, and Central, clearly the better team, only led by 1 with about 10 minutes to go before breaking away.

The Duhawks handled business against the Panthers Saturday night 103-61.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 12, 2023, 08:23:04 PM
Quote from: Goldy97 on November 12, 2023, 04:38:23 PM
Central collects another win after a 96-77 win over Principia in an opening weekend invitational at Loras. The game was actually quite competitive for about 75% of the day. The Panthers managed to head into halftime tied at 40, and Central, clearly the better team, only led by 1 with about 10 minutes to go before breaking away.

The Duhawks handled business against the Panthers Saturday night 103-61.
This has me nervous. I tuned into the game today thinking it would be a cakewalk. Sad to say Principia jumped out to a huge lead 19-4. At that point I was thinking Loras is going to obliterate us. Offense just couldn't get going despite having the conference MVP on the team and a huge height advantage. I think they forgot they had to bring their game, not just show up. I suspect they didn't give the effort they could/should have based on the Loras game outcome the night before. It was a good lesson to learn early.

All that said, it is early and I have faith in Coach Steinkamp figuring things out.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 13, 2023, 11:52:24 AM
ARC Power Rankings  (it's early, but never too early)

1. Central W Principia and Conc-Wisc.  The twin towers are going to continue to be a problem this season.  11/25 @ UW Platteville will be interesting.

2.  Coe W Cornell and Ripon  Not overly impressive against weak teams, but Schnurr and Schmitt have proven the can beat anybody.

3.  Loras  W Principia and Conc-Wisc.  Molstead pick up is a huge upgrade to the starting lineup.  Can the Duhawks show the defensive physicality they need to hang with the bigs in the ARC?

4.  UD  W Blackburn  Good returning core and athletic addition in Sunday John.  Spartans are in the mix.

5. NWU W Colorado College  Fun stat:  Lash 5-21 from the field, 0-9 from three point range???

6.  Luther W Grinnell and North Central MN  Like a berzerker from the great white north of Iowa, the Norse are 2-0.

7. Wartburg W Macalester  Wait, Mac had that Williams dude go off against Minnesota...that was impressive.

8.  BVU W Fonbonne and Westminster  Beavers off to early lead in the SLIAC and drop 127 on Blue Jays.  Still don't crack top 7.

9.  Simpson L Fontbonne W Westminster   Storm belong here if for no other reason than ruining the ARC's perfect non-con record
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Goldy97 on November 13, 2023, 08:11:32 PM
It was already hashed out, but Loras picked up their second win in as many days Sunday beating Concordia-Wisconsin 87-75.

Sabet was the leading scorer for the Duhawks, pouring in 23 points. Sharpshooting junior Jared Pearson stayed hot from behind the arc, scoring 19. Molstead had 16 points and 6 assists.

A thing to note — Loras has been down in size considerably in its first two games. Starting junior C Alex Singleton has missed the Duhawks first two games. So far, the guards fast pace of play has picked up the slack, but that's something worth keeping an eye on.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 14, 2023, 10:40:01 AM
Quote from: doolittledog on October 19, 2023, 09:37:32 AM
Quote from: Goldy97 on October 18, 2023, 07:05:43 PM
Major ARC move! Former Wartburg 1st-team all-conference G Jack Molstead has joined Chris Martin and Loras. Big, big transfer get. Duhawks have quite the core heading into 23-24.

Oh, I hope this turns out as fun as the time the All-Conference football player from Coe transferred to Wartburg after having a summer roofing job with a Wartburg alum or something along those lines.  Did he get NIL money?  Something simple like a girlfriend at Loras?  Catholic girls with questionable morals lured him away? 

22-23
Loras 9-7
Wartburg 8-8

21-22
Loras 9-7
Wartburg 9-7

20-21
Loras 3-4
Wartburg 2-4

Facilities wise, I would say Loras and Wartburg are an even split.  Success wise, over the past 3 seasons Loras and Wartburg are usually next to each other in the standings.  Waverly is closer to his home than Dubuque.  Fun wise, there is more to do in Dubuque than in Waverly. 

Will be fun to see how everything plays out on the court.

All good theories...Loras probably did have better prospects of a successful season than Wartburg, but is that enough reason to pull up stakes and transfer?  Much more inconsequential transfer, Cade Daughtery went from UD to Wartburg a few years back, but believe that was girlfriend related. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 18, 2023, 09:12:35 AM
So what, if any, is the connection between Loras getting Molstead and hosting the Mike Molstead Motors tournament at Loras?

Good luck to the Dutch against Waldorf today.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Gregory Sager on November 18, 2023, 12:57:17 PM
(https://images.csmonitor.com/csmarchives/2010/09/statler2.jpg?alias=standard_900x600nc)

... and against Statler, too, if he shows up as well.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 18, 2023, 09:03:07 PM
Great win for the Dutch today over Waldorf. Kaleb Brand had a great game with a career high 25 points. Joshua Van Gorp scores 22 and Grant Johnson swats 8! Nice win over a team that beat us last year. Simpson up Tuesday night at home. Keep it rolling Dutch!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 20, 2023, 07:12:25 AM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on November 18, 2023, 09:12:35 AM
So what, if any, is the connection between Loras getting Molstead and hosting the Mike Molstead Motors tournament at Loras?

Good luck to the Dutch against Waldorf today.

Ha!  Surely none at all.  Did they have one of those giant wind Gumbies flying outside the gym?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 21, 2023, 10:54:06 PM
I don't know about the giant Gumby, I wasn't there. Hosted by a car dealer though so probably.

Dutch get a tough win at home tonight over Simpson to move to 5-0 on the season. Simpson got hot the second half and sold the flop all night long. Kole Tupa had a great night and Kaleb Brand hit clutch free throws to seal the win. Also some amazing defense by Nolan Brand in his limited time. It was one of those games where I was surprised nobody got hurt. Pretty aggressive play by the team that kept falling on the floor.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 27, 2023, 02:41:40 PM
Power Rankings as of 11/27

1. Central  Key wins:  Simpson  Key losses: UW-Platteville Can't fault the Dutch for nearly pulling the upset on the road against a tough UWP squad.  Van Gorp and Johnson are putting up monster numbers, and they remain number one until an ARC team knocks them off.  Coe comes to town 12/9.

2.  Coe  W Loras L Illinois College Coe just a bit too tough for Loras.  Lots of experience and toughness on this Kohawks squad.  They stay poised in key spots and are a physical squad  @ Western IL on 12/6 @ Central on 12/9

3. Dubuque    W Benedictine, NWU 72-57  Spartans have looked solid with a 5-0 start.  McCants remains a very tough guard with his uber athleticism and Kilburg is a master floor general, some nice scoring contributions from a couple of freshman are helping. 

4. Loras  Have not beaten a team in the top 250 Massey ranking, looked good in a close loss to Coe on the road, but Molstead and Sabet couldn't hit shots to close the deal. The absence of 6' 7" starter Singleton isn't helping.  The jury is out on the Duhawks, @ NWU 12/9 will provide another data point.

5.  Simpson W Bethany Lutheran  L close one to Central.  The Storm have scorers but do they have the physicality to beat the top of the ARC?  I don't think so.  vs. Coe and UD this week.

6.  BVU  5-0 start for the Beavers against very weak schedule.  Central and @ Coe this week give them a chance to show if they're for real after last year's abysmal season.

7.  NWU Beat up on weak opposition, got hammered by UD.  We know Lash can score, but the Wolves face the same issues as last season; can they guard hard when needed?  vs. Loras on 12/2

8.  Wartburg  1-5.  Not a good start for the Knights, although 1-0 in the ARC.  Williams is not a bad player, but relying on him as your primary scorer probably isn't a recipe for success.  Newcomers Ladwig and Besh look like they can shoot, so could help make up the offense lost.  Looks like a long season for the Knights, however.

9.   Luther  W Grinnell  L Wartburg  Just not much talent on this Norse squad, many returners but nothing to excite.  That said, you can't sleep on them, will be interesting to watch if the ARC plays them harder after several upset wins down the stretch last year over Coe, Simpson, and Loras sent shockwaves.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on November 27, 2023, 02:55:40 PM
Good stuff, Sparty!
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 29, 2023, 05:04:44 AM
Agree! Good rundown Sparty. Tried to post Saturday night and Sunday morning and finally gave up. Haven't checked back until now. The Dutch lost a very winnable game at UWP. They were up by 11 with 4 minutes left, but had shooting issues all night. I haven't checked but I bet it was our lowest shooting percentage of the season. We were getting some open shots from outside as they were completely collapsing in on Van Gorp, but they just didn't fall our way. Van Gorp only had 8 points. He had 0 at the half. Not his fault, we were loosing the ball too many times trying to get it to him. Finally just started shooting from outside. If we played UWO again. I think we could win by a good margin. I give them credit for clawing their way back. The Dutch were without Coach Steinkamp though due to illness. If the Coach was there I think we would have won and the 11 point lead might have turned into 20 instead of disappearing. After all Coach Steinkamp took the team picked to finish last to first place his first season.

That said, we struggled with Simpson and Coe beat us in the tourney last year. The teams that know us the best can be the hardest to beat.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 29, 2023, 03:19:59 PM
Quote from: Schipper Strong on November 29, 2023, 05:04:44 AM
Agree! Good rundown Sparty. Tried to post Saturday night and Sunday morning and finally gave up. Haven't checked back until now. The Dutch lost a very winnable game at UWP. They were up by 11 with 4 minutes left, but had shooting issues all night. I haven't checked but I bet it was our lowest shooting percentage of the season. We were getting some open shots from outside as they were completely collapsing in on Van Gorp, but they just didn't fall our way. Van Gorp only had 8 points. He had 0 at the half. Not his fault, we were loosing the ball too many times trying to get it to him. Finally just started shooting from outside. If we played UWO again. I think we could win by a good margin. I give them credit for clawing their way back. The Dutch were without Coach Steinkamp though due to illness. If the Coach was there I think we would have won and the 11 point lead might have turned into 20 instead of disappearing. After all Coach Steinkamp took the team picked to finish last to first place his first season.

That said, we struggled with Simpson and Coe beat us in the tourney last year. The teams that know us the best can be the hardest to beat.

Schipper, yes, the Dutch had this game in hand and should have won it, UWP hit a barrage of 3s down the stretch.  Honestly, this Central team is intriguing, very old school style often running double low post sets with Johnson and Van Gorp or, more effectively, running the offense through Johnson at the top of the key where he can play high/low with Van Gorp or distribute to the wings.  Johnson to me is the key.  If he can shoot the three at a slight percentage above his career 32%, Central becomes very dangerous because you really have to space the defense thus freeing up Van Gorp where his is most comfortable, the left low post block.

The real key for the Dutch though, is defense, those two large bodies take away the paint much of the time and really make it tough sledding for lane penetration and second chance points.  Big game at BV tonight--should be an easy time, but the Beavers are undefeated....we shall see.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on November 29, 2023, 10:32:25 PM
Agree again Sparty. That said forget what I just said as the Dutch blow 18 pt lead they had at the half tonight at BV and Steinkamp was there. Not sure what he was thinking leaving three starters on the bench while the lead disappeared. I know with a big lead you want to get some other guys playing time, but don't risk the game for it. Dutch come away with a win, I think it was 83-76. But it is a road win against a team that used to consistently be at or near the top. We will take it. Grant Johnson with a deserved technical tonight for taking the ball to a BV player's head. Sounds bad and looked worse, but I truly believe he just meant to get the ball to the BV player to throw in after a made Central basket. I don't think he realized the guy was that close. When you are 6'10" unfortunately a chest height move meant to give the player the ball was head territory for the guy that was going to throw it in.

Van Gorp is the one that gets the most points of the two, but Johnson moving the ball around is a sight to behold. Except for that technical that is. He improved so much as a player last year. He is only going to get better this year.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on November 30, 2023, 09:42:12 AM
Everyone holds serve in the ARC.  This looks like a three horse race between Central, Coe, and UD, with Loras having an outside chance.  Here is a scoring recap with some notes and observations from Matt Snyder's excellent Efficiency Ratings

Central 83 BV 76

Schipper recapped this well.  I have to give Grant Johnson credit, he might be the best player in the ARC right now.  Not flashy, but at 6' 10" is a very adept passer and rebounder with a great basketball IQ. 

Johnson does the work, Van Gorp gets the numbers, goes for 19 pts. 22 reb. last night--Van Gorp, to me, is fine, but he is a block scorer only, no explosiveness to speak of, but, he gets to hang out in the low post and not get double teamed, a deadly proposition with his size.  That's a good formula when you have Johnson and some serviceable guard play around you.  BVU made a valiant comeback, but I just don't think this is a very good team.  You're relying on Neubaum and Reed with a pretty weak supporting cast.  Note: Central is 53rd in AdjD

Dubuque 63 Luther 43

UD throttles the Norse for the umpteenth time in a row.  Luther just isn't good.  Bring back the same cast and you get the same results--horrible shooting team--43 pts. in your own gym is embarrassing.  Luther's perimeter defense is horrific, UD hits 11 teams threes, something they've done at will vs. Luther the last few years.

UD runs its ball screen continuity offense efficiently--the numbers look good early 25th in AdjO and 40th in AdjD...very impressive.  This team does play very slow, however, 406th in AdjT. 

Coe 82 Simpson 75  Another case of Simpson bringing back the same dudes, same results.  Coe gets a big game from Schnurr to offset Schmitt's 2-10 three pt. shooting night.  Kohawks are another impressive numbers team:  8th in AdjO 59th AdjD

Loras 100 Wartburg 89  The Duhawks win playing their uptempo style, this team can score, 11th AdjO, but defense will be an issue against the top of the ARC, 216 AdjD.  Balanced scoring with 6 guys in double figures.  Interestingly, Loras is a team to me that won't be tested much in the month of December, calendar is marked for January 6th vs. Central



Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 02, 2023, 07:41:49 PM
I knew it was coming eventually. Brad Curren is having a night for Centrsl with 17 points at the half as a sub. 5 of 8 from 3 pt range. Van Gorp with a double double at the half. Dutch lead by 16 or 18 at the half. Wartburg with no commentary, shows Central up 40-22 at half. Listening to Central radio coverage and according to the radio we are up 40-24.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Schipper Strong on December 02, 2023, 08:34:30 PM
Central beats Wartburg 81-49 on the road. All starters out with more than 7 minutes left. Central clears the bench. Truly dominant performance by the Dutch. Curren scores 19 off the bench. What a break out game! To be fair, I don't think Wartburg has shot that poorly in years. Strange how often an entire team can have the same off night with shooting. I hope Central's off night is in the rear view mirror for the season. Sure looking forward to watching Curren develop.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on December 07, 2023, 02:19:09 PM
Huge game on Saturday, Coe 8-1 @ Central 7-1.  Battle for the top of the ARC.  Massey has Coe 33 (taking into account Western Illinois in SoS) and Central 50.  Coe fell 77-66 to Illinois College and Central lost a game on the road to UW-Platteville that they had well in hand.  Massey has Coe picked 72-71. 

The Kohawks are fueled by two fifth year seniors in Cale Schmitt and TJ Schurr, both averaging 18 ppg. A wild card here is Bennett Sherry, 6' 6" junior who is averaging nearly 14 ppg and 7 rpg after averaging 5 ppg last year in similar minutes. That scoring leap has been huge for the Kohawks. 

It's no mystery that the Dutch are led by Van Gorp and Johnson, and will look to pound the ball down low to one or both of those 6' 10" seniors. 

In my estimation, this will be a half court game, both teams are patient on offense, Coe has been slightly more efficient offensively, they are a top 20 team in AdjO, they will work the ball around the perimeter and look for an easy bucket by Schurr or Bennett or play drive and kick with Schmitt driving into space.  Interesting, the Kohawks are not a good three point shooting team at 31.9%, and I believe you have to make threes to beat this Dutch team with the two space eaters clogging the lane.  Central is a good perimeter defense team, allowing only 28.6% to opponents.

I feel Central is a bit more suited to the grind it out game and will take a close one at home, 70-65 Dutch. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: ARCFan20 on December 13, 2023, 11:35:55 AM
Hello all,

Hope I did this right. Been a fan of the ARC for about 20 years now. Grandson played in it. Thinking you might pick up some biases based on what team I mention a lot  ;). ARC is in great shape this year. Our 1-6 would compete in most leagues.

Who are the top commentators here? I see Doolittle Dog? Sparty Blue? Looks like Dubuque is MORE than covered here with some....strong opinions coming from their sides lol I'm excited to connect with you all.

Cheers,

M
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 20, 2024, 03:49:58 PM
Nice to see the ARC finally getting some well-deserved recognition.  Four teams have been nationally ranked, NWU currently #17 Coe # 19. 

Conference Tourney starts tonight, here are my current power rankings, we'll see how it plays out:

1.  Coe  Lost twice to NWU, otherwise unblemished...get the all important bye as the 2 seed

2. UD  Veteran group, get a home matchup against unpredictable but very tough Central squad--UD just pummeled them by 30 plus at home, this one will be closer.

3.  Central  Van Gorp and Johnson still a very tough out with that size and unique high/low game. 

4.  Loras  Duhawks have struggled a bit lately, crazy loss to Simpson and dominated by UD, but they are a dynamic offensive team...lucky to get a relatively easy night tonight vs. BVU

5.  NWU  I know they're ranked and have a great record, but just not sold on the Wolves winning this tournament when the intensity is ratcheted up and physical defense matters. They are 22-3, so props for that, I just don't think they win the ARC tournament, even with the huge advantage of not having to leave Lincoln.

6. BVU  A down year, cannon fodder for the Duhawks tonight.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 21, 2024, 04:43:14 PM
UD 77 Central 73  Sparty does enough at home to pull this one out.  Grant Johnson's 1-11 3 point shooting performance and overall team shooting for Central didn't help.  UD is a patient team with a solid defense and the ability to score the ball at the rim with McCants and Kilburg and shoot the three when needed.

Loras 86 BV 62  No surprises here.


Thursday's Semis:

UD @ NWU  Season series was split between the home teams, but I think Sparty will go to Lincoln and pull this out with physical defense and opportune offensive attacks.  McCants is the key--Wolves will struggle to defend him, he had 29/14 in the first match up, and I think, was nursing an injury through much of January.  It looks like he's moving somewhat better now and is primed for a big day on the Nebraska prairie. 

Loras @ Coe  Two of the Duhawks five losses have been to Coe.  Loras just doesn't match up well with the strength of Coe.  Kohawks win here. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 22, 2024, 10:27:46 AM
Datacast Analytics rankings are interesting to contrast with eye test rankings:

         Rank      Adjusted Offense     Adjusted Defense      Adjusted Tempo

Dubuque   20.       109.6 55th          89.2 20th                69.4  339th

Coe       23.        108.5 72nd         88.4 16th                71.1 263rd

Loras     27.        116.6 6th          97.0  110th              72.5 197th

NWU       30.        112.5 29th          94.1 58th               67.9 386th

UD and NWU are two of the slower tempo, deliberate offensive teams in the country. Who can generate that slight percentage advantage in offensive in offensive efficiency in the half court game? 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 22, 2024, 10:32:25 AM
One more observation--non-conference strength of schedule allowed a few teams to build spectacular records.  There is nothing wrong with this per se, but gaudy records lead to more national eyeballs in a division with 100s of teams.

Non-Conference Strength of Schedule:

Dubuque  255th
Coe 190th
Loras 389th
NWU 296th
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 23, 2024, 02:58:18 PM
NWU 73 UD 67  NWU TCB at home.  UD shoots 8% from three in the second half and missed several bunnies that would have closed the gap in the waning minutes and given them a chance.  NWU also goes 23-32 from the free throw line as 4/5th of the Spartan lineup either fouls out or nearly fouls out.  Let em play!

Loras 76 Coe 73  Duhawks pull the upset on the road.  Kohawks controlled this one until about 6 minutes left, when they went completely cold, scoring only three points in the final 6:25 on their own floor.  Funny game, basketball.

Championship Saturday Loras @ NWU  Loras beat NWU twice, 89-76 in Lincoln and 84-64 in Dubuque...tough to beat a team three times is the cliche.  Pick em'.

The bottom line is that the ARC deserves and it looks like could get four teams into the NCAA tournament. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: ziggy on February 24, 2024, 04:22:18 PM
Nebraska Wesleyan very well may be a deserving host if they win tonight's ARC title game but it seems they did not submit a bid: https://d3datacast.com/2024/02/24/sources-nebraska-wesleyan-did-not-submit-ncaa-host-bid/
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: SpartyBlue on February 26, 2024, 03:35:17 PM
The ARC gets four teams in the tournament!  The conference finally getting some well-deserved respect and has moved away from being a one bid-league. 

Dubuque vs. Illinois College     Great draw for Sparty, solid favorite in this first round matchup.  IC has a weak SoS, although did beat Coe back in November.  Waiting for the Spartans should be Wash U. on their own floor, a tough task to be sure.

Loras vs. Gustavus Adolphus  Loras gets another favorable first round draw against the MIAC champ. Duhawks win and advance, likely against UWP--for those who don't know, this is essentially a home floor for Loras as UWP is just 20 minutes up the road. 

NWU vs. Centenary   NWU travels to California to play a team from...Louisiana...Wolves again with a very winnable game on paper, then a tough one vs. Trinity, TX

Coe head to Indiana vs. Wabash   Tough draw for Coe vs. a team who has won 12 straight, then if you win, play a tough Trine team on their home floor. 

I'll predict the ARC goes 3-1 in the first round--Coe falling to Wabash.  UD and NWU advance to the sweet 16.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: doolittledog on February 26, 2024, 09:28:32 PM
Love seeing 4 ARC teams in the field.  Now would love to see some runs by the teams that made it. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: palum on March 02, 2024, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: SpartyBlue on February 26, 2024, 03:35:17 PMThe ARC gets four teams in the tournament!  The conference finally getting some well-deserved respect and has moved away from being a one bid-league. 

Dubuque vs. Illinois College     Great draw for Sparty, solid favorite in this first round matchup.  IC has a weak SoS, although did beat Coe back in November.  Waiting for the Spartans should be Wash U. on their own floor, a tough task to be sure.

Loras vs. Gustavus Adolphus  Loras gets another favorable first round draw against the MIAC champ. Duhawks win and advance, likely against UWP--for those who don't know, this is essentially a home floor for Loras as UWP is just 20 minutes up the road. 

NWU vs. Centenary   NWU travels to California to play a team from...Louisiana...Wolves again with a very winnable game on paper, then a tough one vs. Trinity, TX

Coe head to Indiana vs. Wabash   Tough draw for Coe vs. a team who has won 12 straight, then if you win, play a tough Trine team on their home floor. 

I'll predict the ARC goes 3-1 in the first round--Coe falling to Wabash.  UD and NWU advance to the sweet 16.

The ARC goes 3-1 in the opening round but UD falls on last second shot and Coe wins in OT.
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 04, 2024, 08:55:39 AM
I got to watch NWU play Centenary (in San Antonio, not Cali) and was impressed by their play.  Having a 6'11" guy (Jack Groeteke) with good handles and the ability to play both inside and out is a rare privilege for a D3 team.  Peter Lash and Carter Glenn also had good games and all three contributed in the second-round win over UT-Dallas - who should never have been there, but Trinity shot near season-lows from both deep (4-24, 2nd worst all year) and the free throw line (9-20, worst) in a four-point loss.  Good luck to the Prairie Wolves as they face Claremont Mudd-Scripps, who they should handle, and then probably the #1 team in the country, Hampden-Sydney. 
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 08, 2024, 09:23:44 PM
Looks like a lot of seniors on ARC rosters this year. Anyone coming back for a 5th/Covid year? Anyone have a list of seniors who were recognized by their respective teams?
Title: Re: MBB: American Rivers Conference
Post by: Greek Tragedy on March 13, 2024, 01:48:26 PM
https://twitter.com/peterlash_/status/1767952902176284694?t=5luRKecRl1PF_TZ-9X4Ttw&s=19

Peter Lash returning for NWU.