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Title: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: AlleyCat on May 22, 2008, 09:51:43 AM
How about we get some names of possible Draft picks this year out of NY D3 baseball
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: BoomerIL on May 22, 2008, 10:57:33 AM
Rochester's Pete McEneaney was drafted by the Traverse City Beach Bums of the Frontier League.

I think that after watching Zongol and Carroll from RPI play, these two should definitely get some interest somewhere.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: StarvinMarvin on May 22, 2008, 11:14:30 AM
I'm sure Zongol will garner some interest and although Carroll is a very good player, hitting a grand total of five home runs as a DIII first baseman will do nothing for him.  First base, third base and right field are draft positions where serious power is expected and IMO he hasn't shown that.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: John McGraw on May 22, 2008, 11:32:14 AM
I'd guesstimate that Zongol might be a non-drafted free agent. Not because he's not good enough to be drafted but I think that's more his route. Look at Travis Teeter, a guy with a blazing fastball and a plus outfield arm. Not to mention he helped RPI to the Series in 2002. He went undrafted and signed with the Orioles.

Carroll has a better shot just because of his size. He's got a pro body at 6'6", 260. In theory, he could be a mid-to-late 40s selection.

From the big two, I think you've got a few guys with draft potential though I don't see anyone going too high (before round 30). I'd say offhand, Mike Zaccardo and Nick DeVito from Cortland and then Shane Wolf and Nick Sottung from Ithaca. Raux and Ferguson are possibly independent league guys if they want to pursue it. The last Ithaca player to play professional baseball to my knowledge was Kyle Sottung and he was with the Richmond Roosters of the Frontier League for a little while. Jake Upwood is still kicking around somewhere, now with the Edmonton Cracker Cats of the Golden Baseball League after playing for the South Coast League champion South Georgia Peanuts last year (managed by Wally Backman).
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: AlleyCat on May 22, 2008, 11:52:07 AM
I think that Zaccardo should be a mid 20's - 40 round pick, good arm, power and can run for a catcher.

Devito (Cortland) and Carroll (RPI) have the size they are looking for and have power even though neither hit double digit round trippers this year.

McEneaney from Rochester is a no brainer, good arm 87-91, battles and good size. 

Wolf from Ithaca has good size and is a lefty so he should get a look. Gardner is small, but has a great arm and breaking pitch. Sottung, although a great pitcher and winner probably doesn't throw hard enough for the scouts even though he could win at any level with his command.

Zongol is a tough lefty that can get it up there around 86-89 with command of of 4 pitches, should be a mid to late draft pick if anyone has a clue.

Also, I believe that Teeter was drafted after his Jr year but decided to go back to RPI for his Sr. year.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: BoomerIL on May 22, 2008, 01:23:53 PM
Carroll from RPI may not have many HR's, but in the first game against UR he crushed one to straight-away center that had to be 420-430'.  It was high and hard!  His body type should put him at first base, although he needs to work on his footwork.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: BaseB13 on May 22, 2008, 01:33:09 PM
Are these guys all seniors?  If so their chances of being drafted are usually weaker.  Afterall, why waste a draft pick on someone if they can simply sign them as a free agent unless of course there are plenty of teams competing for them.  I would guess the reason McEneaney was drafted so high in the independent league is  because he is a border line draft pick for MLB.  I can't see an independent  team using one of their picks on someone that is projected to be taken in the MLB draft.  They'd simply be wasting their pick.  Instead they usually shoot for guys who are good ball players but a little out of reach from being taken in the MLB draft.  And not for anything, right handers that are consistently 87-90 are a dime a dozen when it comes to pro ball.  Zaccardo was a kid since his days at MCC that people talked about going pro.  Have not seen him play in a long time but if he is very strong defensively then I could see him getting scooped up late.  I've heard a few rumors about Gardner as well.  At the end of the day though I'd bet one or two guys maxx get taken.  The rest could try independent ball or signing as a free agent.   Just looked up Carroll as well.  Didn't realize he was a senior because I do not remember him from 3 or 4 years ago.  Didnt' realize he wasn't a full time starter for RPI until last year.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: John McGraw on May 22, 2008, 02:44:27 PM
I can't see McEneaney getting drafted if he's already in the Frontier League and under contract with the Traverse City Beach Bums.

And I guess I was wrong about Teeter. The Astros drafted him after his junior year in 2001 in the 35th round. He stayed in school and ended up signing with the Orioles as a free agent. (Thanks Baseball Cube!)

What hurts Zongol is his mediocre performance in the New York summer league. His numbers didn't blow anyone away and he struggled at times to get guys out in the two seasons he was with the Saratoga Phillies. Again, I still think he could catch on somewhere since he's a lefty, but he may not get drafted.

I forgot Gardner, though who's to say what he would do if he's drafted - whether he'd sign or go back to Ithaca for his senior year.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: Caz Bombers on June 06, 2008, 03:26:46 PM
26th round - 782 overall - Houston Astros - Shane Wolf...congrats.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: JQV on June 07, 2008, 03:59:03 PM
Two Bombers drafted and no one else from NYS.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: HotSoupTrio on January 07, 2009, 05:37:51 PM
any guesses on potential draft picks coming out of the region this year?
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: StarvinMarvin on January 07, 2009, 08:48:58 PM
I'd be willing to bet Matt Tone goes in the top 15 rounds as a junior.  If anyone(professional scouts) knew about him out of high school someone would have taken a chance on him late which he probably wouldn't have taken but nonetheless the kid is THAT good!  I know that to be fact based on the area scouts I have spoken to.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: Big Louie on January 07, 2009, 11:04:56 PM
I agree....Tone is probably even Top 10 round talent. He has some room to grow with the development of his secondary pitches, but he has a big time arm and the kid is a competitor on the mound.

Other than Tone it may be pretty dry this year in the NY Region....Filak from Oneonta has some potential but won't be elgible til the 2010 draft.

Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: HotSoupTrio on January 08, 2009, 10:59:58 AM
In addition to Tone from Cortland, what about a guy like Mike Avery, kids got some great tools. I agree with Butch, Filak showed some great potential in his first year as a pitcher, good move by the Oneonta staff moving him from out behind the dish. Other than those 2 guys from cortland are there really any other draft possibilites out of the region?
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: John McGraw on January 08, 2009, 01:16:16 PM
Quote from: HotSoupTrio on January 08, 2009, 10:59:58 AM
In addition to Tone from Cortland, what about a guy like Mike Avery, kids got some great tools. I agree with Butch, Filak showed some great potential in his first year as a pitcher, good move by the Oneonta staff moving him from out behind the dish. Other than those 2 guys from cortland are there really any other draft possibilites out of the region?

I don't see anyone else from upstate being drafted this year. Look at last year with all the great talent there was and just two players from that (Wolf, Gardner) were drafted, and Gardner was a real late selection. Zaccardo, who was one of cortland's top players, didn't get a sniff and ended up playing one game in the minors after signing as a free agent.

No question that Tone's going to be drafted, it's just a matter of where he goes. As for anyone else, not so much.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: MMTPdthree on January 09, 2009, 03:27:10 PM
What about Benvonutto? the SS from Farmingdale?
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: John McGraw on January 10, 2009, 03:40:27 AM
Quote from: MMTPdthree on January 09, 2009, 03:27:10 PM
What about Benvonutto? the SS from Farmingdale?

No chance unless Osik pulls some heavy duty strings.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: Dave Bradley on February 12, 2009, 08:40:24 PM
I heard that Steve Juedes a pitcher from Oneonta could be on a couple of teams radar screen this season, in fact last year I saw him beat Brockport and there was a Reds scout watching him.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: StagnantFLY on March 06, 2009, 11:48:01 PM
any legitimate kids getting drafted from the SUNYAC this year? WHO AND WHERE?
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: HotSoupTrio on March 06, 2009, 11:58:33 PM
Mike Avery from Cortland, Matt Tone from Cortland, Jamie Rose from Brockport, Steve Juedes from Oneonta....only ones that really have a shhot in the SUNYAC...the level of play is down a bit this year
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: Cardinal Sin on April 13, 2009, 09:43:44 PM
Don't really think the NY really has any legit prospects. From the sound of it, it seems Tone's draft stock seems to be fading, never seen the kid pitch but just the talk here on the board leads me to believe he might not go this year.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: Dave Bradley on April 29, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
I think that Steve Juedes should get a shot in the pros, this kid put up pretty good numbers as a senior, providing it holds up because I guess he could get 1 more start, he currently leads all pitchers with a 1.77 ERA, last year he lead all of the SUNYAC with a 2.11 His numbers are better then Matt Tone in every area except strikeouts, better ERA, better Bat avg against, better walk ratio. Over the last two years in 125 innings he has a 1.94 ERA, 103 hits allowed only 33 walks and a respectable 94 K's, I know he doesn't have the huge 90 mph fastball but he does have a terrific slider, he is 6'5 and probably could add to his fastball with pro coaching, he does get people out, he has proved that over the last two years. Just my opinion.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: John McGraw on April 29, 2009, 12:04:31 PM
Quote from: Dave Bradley on April 29, 2009, 11:50:21 AM
I think that Steve Juedes should get a shot in the pros, this kid put up pretty good numbers as a senior, providing it holds up because I guess he could get 1 more start, he currently leads all pitchers with a 1.77 ERA, last year he lead all of the SUNYAC with a 2.11 His numbers are better then Matt Tone in every area except strikeouts, better ERA, better Bat avg against, better walk ratio. Over the last two years in 125 innings he has a 1.94 ERA, 103 hits allowed only 33 walks and a respectable 94 K's, I know he doesn't have the huge 90 mph fastball but he does have a terrific slider, he is 6'5 and probably could add to his fastball with pro coaching, he does get people out, he has proved that over the last two years. Just my opinion.

You never know who will and who won't. Mike Zaccardo was the league's Player of the Year and was tearing the cover off the ball as a senior. He didn't even get a sniff in the draft and then he retired after playing just one game in the NY-Penn League with Williamsport. Jim Dougher, Will Groff, Andy Mead and Mike Schellinger each lasted several years in the low minors before being released - Schellinger's still active in the independent leagues.

The only one that's really had any sustainable success has been chris Salamida. Last I heard, he was with Houston's Double-A club in the Texas League.

I don't think I'd bank on anyone getting drafted this year though Matt Tone still has the best chance despite his poor numbers.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: Dave Bradley on April 29, 2009, 07:59:27 PM
I wondered what happened to Dougher, I looked for him in the Blue Jays minors but didn't find him, he got released? that's to bad I was rooting for him, I wonder why, he seemed to be doing pretty good in the minors. You probably are right about this years draft but I just think that a kid like Juedes deserves a shot, he gets people out, his ERA proves that, he is a very good pitcher and I don't think he got a whole bunch of teaching at Oneonta, if I was making a late pick for a team, I would look at him and say what the heck, 2 SUNYAC ERA titles in his Junior and Senior years, great size 6'5, knows how to pitch, setup hitters, maybe they could increase his velosity and have something, geez even in the 40th round, what's the risk to them.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: airball55 on May 10, 2009, 11:31:11 AM
The NY region may get shut out.  Tone is the only guy who is getting any attention (after speaking with the bureau and the Reds) and he is backing up.  He does have a good breaking ball but velocity is an issue.  He shows 89-91 but falls off fast.  Filak is going to be the next one.  Big, great movement, young and has the velocity to get there.  Let's just hope he does not transfer to cortland (HAHA).
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: John McGraw on May 10, 2009, 01:07:48 PM
Tone still has a chance to boost his stock with a solid performance in the regionals.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: Hot Rod Runnin on May 03, 2010, 10:48:56 AM
Any New York Guys other than Filak gonna go this year?
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: John McGraw on May 03, 2010, 11:07:45 AM
Good question. Off hand I'm going to say no but I could be wrong.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: AlleyCat on May 03, 2010, 02:30:21 PM
What about Dimino's from Cortland? They can run and MLB scouts love that stuff.

Other then that maybe Reardon from RPI

Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: StarvinMarvin on May 03, 2010, 04:09:03 PM
Scouts may love tools and often times may draft a guy based on a tool or two that grade out above average on the 20-80 major league scale but it doesn't necessarily take a scout to recognize a "showcase" player...there are plenty of them in this country let alone the international scene.  Upper echelon scouts have an eye for intangibles and are able to project success in a way that is somewhat amazing.  Best of luck to the Dimino's or anyone else on a scout's DIII radar!
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: theguru25 on May 04, 2010, 09:52:09 AM
i can definitely see the diminos getting a look from somewhere. very fast, can hit, and both have 2 of the best college arms i have ever seen
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: reddragon00 on May 07, 2010, 05:40:19 PM
Reardon from RPI...no way!   Good college player but not much else there.   I haven't seen much in NYS.   Down year but who knows
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: theguru25 on May 07, 2010, 07:03:06 PM
Filak solidified his worth today. Complete game 3 hitter vs. Cortland with 10 k's. Topped at 93mph
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: John McGraw on May 07, 2010, 07:09:39 PM
Quote from: reddragon00 on May 07, 2010, 05:40:19 PM
Reardon from RPI...no way!   Good college player but not much else there.   I haven't seen much in NYS.   Down year but who knows

Reminds of me Pollard; same basic thing as a solid Division III player that can put up good offensive numbers. And Pollard didn't move on to play anywhere.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: airball55 on May 08, 2010, 08:26:28 PM
Aren't the Dimino's like 23-25 yrs. old each??  It seems they have been around a long time and I don't see either of them getting a chance based on their age alone.  If I am wrong I apologize.

Reardon no.

Filak top 7 rounds.

Anderson Gardner would have a shot but his size will hurt him.  Dan Jurik out of Fisher has had following all season long.  Wouldn't surprise to see a senior sign from him.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: John McGraw on May 09, 2010, 12:43:14 AM
Quote from: airball55 on May 08, 2010, 08:26:28 PM
Aren't the Dimino's like 23-25 yrs. old each??  It seems they have been around a long time and I don't see either of them getting a chance based on their age alone.  If I am wrong I apologize.

Reardon no.

Filak top 7 rounds.

Anderson Gardner would have a shot but his size will hurt him.  Dan Jurik out of Fisher has had following all season long.  Wouldn't surprise to see a senior sign from him.

They'll get a shot somewhere though sitting out an entire year and being at three-four different schools in five years is a pretty big red flag for me. I remember reading somewhere that they had a relative, perhaps their father, that was a scout. That might help. Neither I think is a great player though if you put the two together, you'd have a pretty decent talent.

Jurik might be an independent guy. His numbers this year and the other year Fisher went to the tournament are solid but he just doesn't stand out that much to me. His numbers in the NYCBL for Webster last year aside from strikeout-to-walk ratio were pretty awful including the over 4.00 ERA in a bad Western Division. Plus, he's a guy from a little-known school in upstate New York - that won't help. At least Oneonta's Filak has been on everyone's radar this year - plus Schellinger and Salamida both pitched professionally in affiliated baseball.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: airball55 on May 09, 2010, 04:01:25 PM
Good stuff Dr. Mcgraw.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: AlleyCat on May 10, 2010, 11:20:12 AM
How hard is Filak throwing. I heard earlier in the season thatn he was hitting 94-95. If thats the case, he will go in the top 5 rounds.

Not bad for a guy who was a catcher in High School.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: DogHead on May 10, 2010, 01:18:18 PM
Filak is legit. 92-94 with a slider/curve that he throws for strikes. I think it's like a knuckle curve of some sort but when he's throwing that for strikes, he's obviously very good.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: scscoach on May 21, 2010, 12:21:18 AM
Dan Jurik was extremely impressive against Brockport lastnight. I saw as many as 3 guns clocking him. Filak had 9 guns on him in his game though.
Title: Re: Draft for D3 New York baseball
Post by: AlleyCat on May 30, 2014, 08:57:38 AM
Any thoughts on players from NY in the Draft this year.

D'Amato from St John Fisher may get a look, any others?