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Basketball Open Dates / Re: Men's tournaments
« on: Yesterday at 02:06:43 pm »
Moved from the baseball open dates message board...

DESALES UNIVERSITY, located in Center Valley, PA is looking for two teams to complete the field for their annual Al Senavitis men’s basketball tournament scheduled for December 29 & 30, 2018.

Guarantee includes:   $500
         Hotel rooms for 1 night
         Team t-shirts
         Team & individual awards

If interested, please contact Head Coach Scott Coval at or 610-282-1100 x1351.

National topics / Re: 2018 Regional Rankings
« on: Yesterday at 12:01:15 am »
It has been a bit of a strange year for the coaches (ABCA) and media ( Top 25) polls.  In advance of the regional rankings coming out in a couple days, the two polls are finally approaching something of a consensus.  The same teams in the top 6 are the same and every team in the Top 25 is in the ABCA poll (30 teams).

I have followed both polls closely this spring and was shocked at how far apart they were at the start.... but they have melded nicely at this point. More games equals more data points to evaluate from.
ABCA went from 8 voters to 16 voters after the 2012 season. has always had 25 voters.

West Region / Re: BB: Top Teams in West Region
« on: April 24, 2018, 10:18:54 pm »
McMurry beat Trinity 3-1 today. TU #1 James Nittoli (W-L 5-2; 9 GS and ERA 2.25) went 4.0 IP, gave up 2 runs in the first in the 1st and got the loss. Trinity went "pitching by committee" for the rest of the game.

Making his 3rd start of the year was McMurry Senior Tyler Jenkins (2-3) went got the complete game win.

New England Region / Re: BB: LEC: Little East Conference
« on: April 24, 2018, 09:50:23 pm »
USM collected 19 hits in a 14-6 victory over U-Mass Boston to improve to 21-8 (7-3 in the LEC)

Recap/Box Score

Next up for USM (pending weather)

Wednesday April 25 @ Bates @ 4

Big win!

General Division III issues / Re: Future of Division III
« on: April 24, 2018, 05:00:40 pm »
Some private D3 institutions, including one I'm fairly familiar with, deliberately take in freshmen with dubious academic backgrounds, many of whom will be gone by the second semester. And we know why: they (or their parents) pay money to stick around from September till December. Some, of course, happen to be athletes, including football players.

While I understand that many of these venues have increasing need for dollars, I also have some reservations about the ethics of accepting money from students when they are being treated as what might be called the academic equivalent of cannon fodder.

Do I have a solution to this situation? No, I don't, yet I'm convinced there has to be one.

I would respond that the fiduciary obligation to that student and his/her parents from/by the college is to provide the remedial support, including assessment of academic skills which that student-athlete did not achieve, acquire, or develop, to succeed.  The coaching staffs at those colleges would be acting in the student/athlete's interest to confirm that the student/athlete is attending class, using college sponsored tutoring that is available to all students (no preferences) and striving to take advantage of these opportunities afforded in campus life. The college has given the student-athlete the chance to turn his/her life around or to reach goals that the nay-sayers do not believe can reached. It might even require diagnostic testing to see if there are any previously undetermined learning challenges in the student/athlete.

This may be an area for emphasis in a college that has a higher than average percentage of first generation attendees. 

That is a covenant relationship that a college may undertake in good faith. How many successful "saves" do you need to make that a worthy endeavor for the outreach of the institution?  Do you save 10%? 20%? If this challenge is laid out for the parents and the student/athlete at the beginning of the recruitment process, then I believe that it is a valid program.

New York Region / Re: BB: SUNYAC
« on: April 24, 2018, 04:45:28 pm »
Oswego at home faces 17-13 Ithaca in Tuesday feature with gametime temps near 70. Each team boasts player on weekly D3 national team of the week. Laker jr outfielder M. Dellicarri makes second appearance while IC soph catcher C. Dietz is aboard
          Oswego leads mentions (essentially poll's 26th team with 70 voting points) in D3baseball media Top 25. Was 24th previously. Cortland 7th with 472 points. Was 6th. NYU and St. John Fisher also among mentions. Poll results through Sunday. Trinity TX (31-4) keeps top berth with 598 points

Plattsburgh romps to 12-3 home win over St. Mike's VT in seven inning opener of Tuesday DH. First two Cardinals hit by pitches, engineer double steal and score on successive wild pitches to set the stage for 5-0 first inning lead. Burgh completes the scoring in the fifth when J. Hartunian slugs three-run home run to left. Ten Cards part of 13 hit attack. K. Kowalowski 3x4, 3r; N. Clark 2x4, r, bi, 2bh. J. Adams pitches first two innings, A. Fauvell next four and J. Stein the seventh. Plattsburgh 12-13-1, St. Mike's 3-5-4
        Plattsburgh 8-21. St. Mike's 6-25. Seven inning second game
        Cardinals ppd Wednesday home tilt vs. Middlebury VT

Oneonta dueling 21-6 Union at Amsterdam on Tuesday evening. RDragons with Thursday conference game at Brockport

Hmmm... be sure to monitor for heat stroke!   

Thanks for the updates.

South Region football / Re: American Southwest Conference
« on: April 24, 2018, 02:45:33 pm »
Ralph or Pat,

Do you know how many NCAA infractions occur in DIII football?

I have only been involved since 1997 when Linfield and the Northwest Conference joined.     But, since then, I can't recall many at all.

UMB has always had my greatest respect.   


This is searchable, but for Division III football only since 1997, there aren't a lot of cases involving major infractions. 
Ohio Northern, 2005
Wesley, 2009
Hobart, 2011
Illinois College, 2012
Occidental, 2013
Maine Maritime, 2013
UW-River Falls, 2014
Emory and Henry, 2015
Rose-Hulman, 2015
Kalamazoo, 2016
Susquehanna, 2016
Elmhurst, 2017

My sense from reading the summaries of these cases is that nearly all of them result from misunderstanding from aid departments on whether or not they can consider participation in high school athletics the same way they consider other extracurriculars when awarding aid packages (the quick answer: No.  No they cannot.).  I don't think most of these schools were trying to cheat and gain advantage as much as they were awarding participation in high school athletics the same way they would award participation in glee club or student government or a quiz bowl team.
I agree.

General Division III issues / Re: Future of Division III
« on: April 24, 2018, 02:38:50 pm »
D3 considering mandatory graduation rate reporting:

Retention rates of football players and African-American student-athletes in Division III have lagged behind those of their counterparts for eight consecutive years, according to the division’s voluntarily reported student-athlete graduation rate data. The trend suggests the division should take steps — such as offering best practices or crafting legislation — to help those groups.

But a key question hangs over any decision: Is that data comprehensive enough to inform policy decisions and best practices? Only about 40 percent of the membership submits student-athlete graduation metrics on an annual basis. To ensure it has a comprehensive understanding, the Division III Diversity and Inclusion Working Group has proposed the division adopt mandatory student-athlete graduation rate reporting for all schools — the type of  reporting already required in Divisions I and II.

A problem with athlete graduation rates at D3 is many D3 schools bring in large recruiting classes.  Once many of these kids realize they aren't destined to be a star they quit.  Many of those kids then transfer to different schools.  I know in the IIAC many of the schools talk about bringing in a freshman class of 50-60 football players and if everything goes well you'll have 20 that are still playing by their senior year.  Of those 30-40 kids that no longer play I would bet at least half have transferred out to another school.
I believe that this is a misdirected effort. It is just as important to help the young student-athlete understand the gifts, talents, and desires that they have at 18 or 19 years of age.  When they finally realize that they are not going to be a starter on the athletic team, and the camaraderie of the team for the "hangers-on" is not worth the financial outlay, then it is time to move on.

Why is something as specific as a "Football Player" so critical?  Do we ask the same of any student who tries out for the lead role in the Fall Drama production, doesn't get the role, and then leaves school? If the kid does not want to remain in school to be a "stage hand" for 4 years, does that number show up as "retention failure" for the School of Fine Arts?

New York Region / Re: New York Region 2018
« on: April 23, 2018, 09:31:49 pm »
when does the first regional ranking come out?  Here is my updated guess after research:
1. Cortland...not by as much though as most...awful ny non conference SOS 28-7
2. St. John Fisher (SOS off the chart) 21-9
3. Oswego 21-8
4. Stevens  20-14
5. Union (could move up but the league isn't as good as the other 2) 21-6
6. NYU 25-8

Strength of schedule is the basis for these rankings.  Fisher ahead of Oswego per the head to head.  Stevens has 14 losses and a couple of bad ones so they drop a little.  Union could go up I guess, did beat Stevens Point in Florida but to be honest I don't know enough about them.
This Thursday.

Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Conference changes
« on: April 23, 2018, 06:01:17 pm »
SAA likely not interested in adding anyone without some major academic clout. Could pull Huntington and LaGrange out of USASouth, pull Louisiana College and Belhaven from ASC, add MUW and then only need a couple more for a reasonably legitimate new conference that would save all those schools a lot of travel. Centenary would be a good geography fit but they may see it as a “downgrade” academically. Maybe Piedmont and/or Covenant out of USASouth or an NAIA pickup from SSAC that would probably fit better in D3 if the travel was better (UMobile, William Carey, Blue Mountain or the like)
Thanks for the comment.

Of the 16 members in the Association of Colleges of the South, Centenary, Southwestern, and Trinity are the members of the ACS in the SCAC.

Morehouse and Spelman are members in Atlanta. Curiously, Oglethorpe is not. (Nor is Berry).

Other members include W&L, Rollins, Furman, Davidson and Richmond.

Monday morning lesson for you married guys from this old one:
Forget every one of your mistakes. There is no point in two of you remembering them.  :)
+1!  (... and as I type this, your smite total is -666!   :o  )

One of the books that I have in my library is Why Men Never Remember and Women Never Forget

West Region / Re: BB: SCAC: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
« on: April 23, 2018, 03:24:51 pm »
AC has 2 series remaining:  Centenary and TLU. They are 6-6 in the conference standings. They won the series against Southwestern

Southwestern has the TLU series remaining this weekend and are 6-9.

It seems to me that AC has the slight edge in this battle for the 4th slot in the post-season tourney.
All AC has to do is win 1 of 3 from TLU and they are in.  Southwestern is "in the clubhouse" at 7-11.

West Region / Re: BB: NWC: Northwest Conference
« on: April 23, 2018, 11:44:56 am »
Not sure how many people expected Willamette to win the NWC tourney but they just did it by beating George Fox twice today.  Short trip to the regional for them and they should be the only NWC team in the tourney.
The Dark Horse did win.  I will take tips on the Dark Horse anytime!

Haven't been posting anything because I didn't want to jinx it! ;D

This team has been red hot over the last month and a half: 18-4 over their last 22 games, and 11-1 in their last 12.  Steindorf has become a legit ace: he threw a complete game on Friday to beat Linfield, then turned around and tossed six innings of one-hit ball on Sunday in the final game against Fox.

Couldn't be happier for Coach Swick and the guys on that team.  It's been a long time coming.
... and every Bearcat fan is wondering if they got hot too quickly.

I am reminded of the IWU championship team in 2010 that was under .500 going into the last week of the season, or the recent Trinity and CLU teams that got hot and went all of the way.

My West Region bias is that there is too much balance in the region to build a gaudy won-loss record, but we have battle-hardened teams that hit the West Region ready to play tough baseball.

National topics / Re: BB: Pool B
« on: April 23, 2018, 09:30:20 am »
With Whitewater at 17-3 (9-1,) Stevens Point 18-5 (10-1,) and Oshkosh 18-4 (5-2) the WIAC seems to be in pretty good shape for the Pool B bids.

I don't think it would be a stretch to see the WIAC claim both Pool B bids and the team left out still earning a Pool C bid, especially since the WIAC Tournament has been canceled and they won't be adding two more losses to their resume.

Let's see the Regional Rankings on Thursday.  Let's count the UAA teams who are ranked in any of the 5 regions from which they come.

West Region / Re: BB: NWC: Northwest Conference
« on: April 22, 2018, 09:53:24 pm »
Not sure how many people expected Willamette to win the NWC tourney but they just did it by beating George Fox twice today.  Short trip to the regional for them and they should be the only NWC team in the tourney.
The Dark Horse did win.  I will take tips on the Dark Horse anytime!

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