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South Region / Re: American Southwest Conference
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:54:27 pm »
https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2018-19/week4

Three ASC teams in the Top 25!

https://www.d3hoops.com/top25/women/2006-07/week6
Thomas More is coming to Belton next week. Should be a fantastic game
Whoa!  #2 Thomas More 73, UMHB 55.

It has been a long time since we have seen a real #2 in D-3 playing an ASC opponent!

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North Region football / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: January 13, 2019, 07:44:14 pm »
Away from home for a week. Here is the announcement of  London Fletcher's selection in the press release.

https://footballfoundation.org/news/2019/1/3/goodyear-blimp-named-honorary-member-of-college-football-hall-of-fame.aspx

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: Pool C
« on: January 10, 2019, 05:18:25 pm »
Fantastic 50's Fabulous Mock Regional Rankings


Northeast region
1) Williams (13-0, 2-0 NESCAC, 1.000 WP, 0.574 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
2) Wesleyan (9-4, 1-1 NESCAC, 0.692 WP, 0.663 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
3) Hamilton (13-0, 1-0 NESCAC, 1.000 WP, 0.526 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
4) MIT (12-1, 2-0 NEWMAC, 0.923 WP, 0.547 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
5) Eastern_Connecticut (9-3, 3-1 LEC, 0.750 WP, 0.592 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
6) Nichols (11-2, 3-1 CCC, 0.846 WP, 0.552 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
7) Gordon (13-1, 5-0 CCC, 0.929 WP, 0.500 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
8) Middlebury (9-4, 1-1 NESCAC, 0.692 WP, 0.565 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
9) Endicott (9-4, 2-2 CCC, 0.692 WP, 0.561 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
10) Albertus_Magnus (7-3, 0-0 GNAC, 0.700 WP, 0.534 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
11) WPI (9-4, 0-2 NEWMAC, 0.692 WP, 0.548 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
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12) Babson (9-4, 2-0 NEWMAC, 0.692 WP, 0.539 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
13) Mass-Dartmouth (9-4, 3-1 LEC, 0.692 WP, 0.514 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
14) Brandeis (8-4, 1-0 UAA, 0.667 WP, 0.549 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)

East region
1) Rochester (11-1, 1-0 UAA, 0.917 WP, 0.552 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
2) Plattsburgh_State (9-2, 3-1 SUNYAC, 0.818 WP, 0.565 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
3) Skidmore (7-3, 5-0 LL, 0.700 WP, 0.547 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
4) Nazareth (7-3, 2-0 E8, 0.700 WP, 0.514 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
5) Brockport (7-4, 3-1 SUNYAC, 0.636 WP, 0.610 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
6) St._John_Fisher (7-3, 2-0 E8, 0.700 WP, 0.508 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
7) Oswego_State (9-2, 4-0 SUNYAC, 0.818 WP, 0.487 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
8) Stevens (10-2, 3-0 E8, 0.833 WP, 0.475 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
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9) St._Lawrence (7-5, 4-1 LL, 0.583 WP, 0.572 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
10) Alfred (5-2, 0-0 E8, 0.714 WP, 0.461 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
11) Hobart (6-5, 3-1 LL, 0.545 WP, 0.592 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)

Atlantic region
1) Ramapo (10-4, 4-3 NJAC, 0.714 WP, 0.595 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
2) New_Jersey_City (10-4, 5-2 NJAC, 0.714 WP, 0.586 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
3) Montclair_State (10-4, 5-2 NJAC, 0.714 WP, 0.586 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
4) Rowan (9-4, 4-3 NJAC, 0.692 WP, 0.590 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
5) William_Paterson (10-4, 5-2 NJAC, 0.714 WP, 0.553 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
6) Mount_St._Mary (8-3, 5-2 SKY, 0.727 WP, 0.503 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
7) TCNJ (9-5, 5-2 NJAC, 0.643 WP, 0.582 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
8) DeSales (9-3, 2-0 MACF, 0.750 WP, 0.481 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
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9) Farmingdale_State (8-5, 6-2 SKY, 0.615 WP, 0.543 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
10) Yeshiva (9-5, 7-2 SKY, 0.643 WP, 0.504 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
11) Baruch (11-3, 5-0 CUNYAC, 0.786 WP, 0.455 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)

Mid-Atlantic region
1) Swarthmore (10-2, 3-2 CC, 0.833 WP, 0.603 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
2) Salisbury (12-1, 2-0 CAC, 0.923 WP, 0.570 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
3) Arcadia (11-2, 5-0 MACC, 0.846 WP, 0.566 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
4) Christopher_Newport (11-2, 1-1 CAC, 0.846 WP, 0.566 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
5) Scranton (12-1, 1-1 LAND, 0.923 WP, 0.504 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
6) Mary_Washington (9-4, 1-1 CAC, 0.692 WP, 0.572 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
7) Johns_Hopkins (8-4, 5-0 CC, 0.667 WP, 0.594 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
8) Drew (10-3, 2-0 LAND, 0.769 WP, 0.515 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
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9) Franklin_and_Marshall (9-3, 3-2 CC, 0.750 WP, 0.522 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
10) Penn_State-Harrisburg (9-4, 1-1 CAC, 0.692 WP, 0.520 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
11) Susquehanna (9-4, 2-0 LAND, 0.692 WP, 0.491 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)

South region
1) Randolph-Macon (13-2, 5-1 ODAC, 0.867 WP, 0.542 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
2) Centre (10-2, 3-0 SAA, 0.833 WP, 0.540 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
3) Washington_and_Lee (10-4, 3-2 ODAC, 0.714 WP, 0.584 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
4) Lynchburg (13-1, 4-1 ODAC, 0.929 WP, 0.507 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
5) Emory (9-3, 0-1 UAA, 0.750 WP, 0.567 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
6) Louisiana_College (11-2, 5-1 ASC, 0.846 WP, 0.505 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
7) Mary_Hardin-Baylor (12-3, 3-3 ASC, 0.800 WP, 0.518 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
8) Guilford (10-4, 4-1 ODAC, 0.714 WP, 0.534 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
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9) North_Carolina_Wesleyan (8-2, 5-1 USAC, 0.800 WP, 0.503 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
10) Emory_and_Henry (9-5, 2-3 ODAC, 0.643 WP, 0.571 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
11) Sewanee (9-1, 2-1 SAA, 0.900 WP, 0.469 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)

Great Lakes region
1) Marietta (12-1, 6-0 OAC, 0.923 WP, 0.558 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
2) Capital (11-2, 6-0 OAC, 0.846 WP, 0.563 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
3) Wabash (10-1, 6-0 NCAC, 0.909 WP, 0.542 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
4) La_Roche (12-2, 7-0 AMCC, 0.857 WP, 0.528 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
5) Wittenberg (10-2, 5-1 NCAC, 0.833 WP, 0.524 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
6) Wooster (10-3, 5-1 NCAC, 0.769 WP, 0.539 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
7) Baldwin_Wallace (9-4, 3-3 OAC, 0.692 WP, 0.541 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
8) Mount_Union (11-2, 5-1 OAC, 0.846 WP, 0.496 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
9) Albion (9-3, 2-0 MIAA, 0.750 WP, 0.494 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
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10) Rose-Hulman (8-4, 5-1 HCAC, 0.667 WP, 0.513 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
11) Transylvania (8-5, 5-1 HCAC, 0.615 WP, 0.581 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
12) Penn_State-Behrend (12-1, 6-1 AMCC, 0.923 WP, 0.453 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)

Central region
1) UW-Stevens_Point (10-2, 2-0 WIAC, 0.833 WP, 0.605 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
2) Augustana (13-1, 5-0 CCIW, 0.929 WP, 0.541 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
3) UW-Whitewater (11-2, 0-2 WIAC, 0.846 WP, 0.571 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
4) Wheaton_(Ill.) (10-4, 3-2 CCIW, 0.714 WP, 0.567 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
5) North_Central_(Ill.) (12-3, 4-2 CCIW, 0.800 WP, 0.525 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
6) UW-La_Crosse (9-4, 2-0 WIAC, 0.692 WP, 0.561 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
7) Chicago (8-4, 1-0 UAA, 0.667 WP, 0.571 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
8) UW-Oshkosh (12-1, 2-0 WIAC, 0.923 WP, 0.482 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
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9) Elmhurst (9-5, 4-1 CCIW, 0.643 WP, 0.585 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
10) Illinois_Wesleyan (9-5, 2-3 CCIW, 0.643 WP, 0.569 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
11) UW-Eau_Claire (9-4, 2-0 WIAC, 0.692 WP, 0.480 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)

West region
1) Nebraska_Wesleyan (13-0, 4-0 ARC, 1.000 WP, 0.603 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
2) Loras (11-3, 3-2 ARC, 0.786 WP, 0.623 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
3) Whitman (11-1, 3-0 NWC, 0.917 WP, 0.545 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
4) St._John's (11-1, 7-0 MIAC, 0.917 WP, 0.532 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
5) St._Thomas (11-1, 7-0 MIAC, 0.917 WP, 0.521 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
6) Augsburg (8-3, 5-2 MIAC, 0.727 WP, 0.525 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
7) Whitworth (11-1, 3-0 NWC, 0.917 WP, 0.476 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
8) Simpson (8-4, 3-2 ARC, 0.667 WP, 0.550 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
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9) Dubuque (9-4, 3-2 ARC, 0.692 WP, 0.514 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
10) George_Fox (10-2, 4-0 NWC, 0.833 WP, 0.482 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)
11) Linfield (9-2, 4-0 NWC, 0.818 WP, 0.479 SOS, 0-0 vRRO)

Appropriate disclaimer... to be added with each publication...

...evaluation and comparisons...

I like it.

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West Region / Re: BB: SCAC: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
« on: January 10, 2019, 03:12:45 pm »
According to their schedule - 33 home games should help!
I count 8.

At UMHB and at McMurry.

3-game series on the road at UDallas and at Austin College. The other 4 SCAC series are home.

You can't get a better schedule than that.

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North Region football / Re: FB: Ohio Athletic Conference
« on: January 07, 2019, 10:01:30 am »
Congrats to London Fletcher!

2019 COLLEGE FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME CLASS
 
PLAYERS:
TERRELL BUCKLEY - DB, Florida State (1989-91)
RICKEY DIXON - DB, Oklahoma (1984-87)
LONDON FLETCHER - LB, John Carroll [OH] (1995-97)
JACOB GREEN - DL, Texas A&M (1977-79)
TORRY HOLT - WR, North Carolina State (1995-98)
RAGHIB ISMAIL - KR/WR, Notre Dame (1988-90)
DARREN McFADDEN - RB, Arkansas (2005-07)
JAKE PLUMMER - QB, Arizona State (1993-96)
TROY POLAMALU - DB, Southern California (1999-2002)
JOE THOMAS - OL, Wisconsin (2003-06)
LORENZO WHITE - RB, Michigan State (1984-87)
PATRICK WILLIS - LB, Mississippi (2003-06)
VINCE YOUNG - QB, Texas (2003-05)

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« on: January 06, 2019, 05:47:58 pm »
On a different 2019 NCAA tournament topic, there will be a Pool B bid this year, along with 43 Pool A and 20 Pool C bids. The Pool B berth will likely go to an AEC team (maybe Neumann), rather than an ACAA or independent team. However, while the AEC will hold a conference tournament, the berth won't necessarily go to the champion.

This has happened before in odder setups... SCAC had to give it's AQ to Trinity when they lost in the conference title game to Colorado College (I think) who wasn't eligible for the NCAA tournament as of yet.
Are you thinking about B-SC in 2011 (moving from D-1 to the SCAC) when they won the East Division of the SCAC but were not eligible for the SCAC post-season tourney, So,B-SC beat Franciscan OH and Covenant in a post-season tourney Steubenville OH? SCAC-East runner-up Centre won the SCAC bid and then lost to Marietta in the 1st round.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: 2019 NCAA Tournament
« on: January 06, 2019, 02:34:56 pm »

HS sports have been going this way for a while.  Pretty much anything directed at the other team besides "good game," is going to be pushed out.  I don't really mind - it's High School.  I yelled some pretty terrible things at the top of my lungs during those years and it was not good for me.

...like every time the opposing coach got out of his seat...

"Sit down, Bus driver!"

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Central Region / Re: BB: Central Region Rankings
« on: January 03, 2019, 02:29:58 pm »
Anyone care to take a shot at predicting the Central Region conferences?

CCIW?

MWC?

ARC(former IIAC)?

SLIAC?

UAA?

Considering the entire conference, can #1 beat $#1?  #2 beat #2? # last beats #last?


CCIW  I think that the cream of the CCIW edges out the cream of the UAA

UAA (Do we count the 7 schools who field a baseball team?)

ARC

SLIAC

MWC

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South Region football / Re: FB: Centennial Conference
« on: January 02, 2019, 11:22:16 pm »
Condolences to the JHU family!

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Here is the update on Top 10 South Region teams since the creation of the Pools system in 1999, through 2018.

1) 2018 UMHB -- (15-0) Toughest run to the Stagg since the 2004 team. UMHB never left the state for the playoffs. The rankings are from Week #11. In consecutive rounds, beat #7 HSU by 21; #20 Berry by 66 points, #3 St John's by 3, #5 UW-Whitewater by 17 and #1 Mount Union 24-16 in Shenandoah TX.

1) (2)2016 UMHB -- (15-0) Beat UW-Oshkosh 10-7 in the Stagg. Had a good run to Salem beating (unranked in Week #11 Top 25) Redlands, #8 Linfield, #13 Wheaton IL, #7 Mount Union in the CRUthedral.

1, 2) 3)  2004 UMHB -- (13-2) Did it Ginger Rogers style.  (Refers to the old joke, who was the better dancer...Fred Astaire or Ginger Rogers?  Rogers did everything that Astaire did, backwards and in high heels.)  Was a Pool C bid, back when there were only 3.  Beat #7 Trinity by 29, #3 HSU by 14, #5 W&J by 36 and #1 Mount Union by 3 on the road.  Lost to Elliott's #2 Linfield in the Stagg, 21-28.

2, 3) 4)  2001 Bridgewater -- (13-1)  #1 South Region seed.  Made the trip down to Salem and lost to MUC in primetime on Saturday night, 27-30.  That night, who would have thought this to be the pinnacle of ODAC football for the next decade plus?  (Thank Heaven for Stone Station!)

4) 5) 2013 UMHB -- (13-1) Lost 16-15 in the CRUthedral in the Semis to ultimate winner UWW who blew out Mount Union the next weekend. (Ouch!)


6) 2017 UMHB -- (14-1) Shutout by UMU in the Stagg, 12-0. A roughing-the-kicker penalty took a UMHB punt return for a TD off the board. That would have made the score 7-0.  A 4th quarter safety was called the play of the game.

3, 5, 6) 7)  2012 UMHB -- (13-1)  How close was this team to being the finest South Region team to date?  How about a grind-it-out/smashmouth Cru-style clock-consuming scoring drive in the late 4th quarter at Alliance OH?   The team that "had the ball last" won. UMHB had 1st and 10 on the UMHB 22 with 3:34 left in the 4th quarter with the score tied 35-35.  UMU forced a 3-and-out, got the ball "last" and then scored on a 6-play 71-yd drive to go ahead 42-35 with 0:05 left in the game.  UMU got a 25 yd fumble recovery on the kickoff for the final score. The 48-35 final score misrepresents the closeness of this game.  (This game was hailed as the "true #1 vs #2" when the brackets were released.  UMU and UMHB finish 1-2 in the Final Top 25 poll.  UMU beat St Thomas 28-10 in Stagg XL.)

3, 4, 6, 7) 8) 2007 UMHB -- (12-2) #4 South Region seed only because they had the "cojones" (a little Texas lingo there) to schedule a home-and-home with the 2005 Stagg Bowl runner-up two years before the game was played.  Defeated a strong #6 seed (sic) Trinity team for the "Barbed Wire and Mesquite" (unofficial title of the Texas Sub-bracket), and annihilated a #8-seeded NCWC team that won its first playoff game ever at #1 seed Washington and Jefferson.  (NCWC was only in its 4th year of play!)  The Cru avenged their losses at Wesley, 27-10, in the Regional Finals.  In the semi-finals, UMHB dug a big hole in losing the regular season UWW game and then lost to the 2007 Stagg Bowl champs, 16-7 in a great game notably for the "Texas unfriendly" conditions in Whitewater in the semis.

3, 4, 5, 7, 8) 9)  2002 Trinity -- (14-1)  Beat UMHB 48-38, W&J 45-10, won at Bridgewater 38-32, beat St John's 41-34.  Star QB celebrates too hard on Paseo del Rio and Stagg is history.  (MUC wins 48-7, on a very windy day).

5, 6T, 8T, 9) 10T) 2010 Wesley -- (12-1)  #1 Seed overall.  Beat Muhlenberg 53-14, Montclair State 44-14, and UMHB 19-9 before losing to Champion UW-Whitewater 7-27.


6T, 8T, 10) 10T) 2011 Wesley -- (12-2)  An early season loss to NJAC champion Kean 31-28 put Wesley into the #2 South Region seed. The Wolverines hosted Hobart 35-28 and Linfield 49-35 and then came to Texas and beat UMHB in the Region Finals, 27-24.  Wesley lost at Stagg runner-up Mount Union (UMU), 28-21.  Were their playoff opponents in 2011 better than 2010? I think so.  Too close for me to call between the 2011 and the 2010 Wesley teams.


4, 5, 6, 9, 10, 12)  1999 Trinity -- (12-1) #1 Seed and gets bye.  Beat Western Maryland and  HSU (40-33) before losing to Stagg winner Pacific Lutheran, 28-49 in Semis.

5, 6T, 7T, 9T, 11T , 13T)  2000 HSU -- (12-1)  Had the bye and #1 seed in South and is #2 in the playoffs.  Beat Western Maryland 32-10 and Trinity 33-30.  Lost to Finalist SJU, 14-38 in Abilene.

6T, 7T, 9T, 11T , 13T)  2008 UMHB -- (12-2) #2 Seed in the "Millsaps" (South) Region.  Defeated HSU 20-18 in Belton in the regular season and then third team All-American Alan Munoz kicked a last-minute FG to defeat #3 seed HSU in another "Bracketgate" game, 38-35.  UMHB then disposed of Wesley 46-14 and W&J 63-7 in the next two rounds.  The Semi-finals will be forever remembered for the south wind that dramatically impacted the game.  UW-Whitewater kicked off in the first half and netted a safety and field goal.  A UMHB kickoff into the estimated 30+ MPH south wind to start the second half touched the ground at UMHB 41 and then was blown back to the UMHB 24, where UMHB covered it.  This "legal kick" was missed by the officials. They gave UWW the ball at the UMHB 24.  UWW quickly pushed the lead to 18-10 with 14:53 left in the 3Q, and the course of the game was changed.  Stagg finalist UWW won 39-13.

8, 9, 11, 13, 14, 15)  2008 HSU (9-2) I believe that I must slip #3 seed HSU into this slot, by virtue of the games that they gave UMHB on the road.  UMHB's special teams made the difference in both games, and the margin of defeat is in the realm of "HFA", Home Field Advantage.  I slip HSU ahead of the 2005 Wesley team because of how dominant UMHB was versus the rest of the bracket.
 
6, 7, 9, 10, 12, 14, 16)  2005 Wesley -- (12-2)  Cinderella.  Gets a Pool B bid.  Beats Ferrum, wins at UMHB, beats Bridgewater and then messes up the shoe thing on the snow/ice at Whitewater, 6-58.

7, 8, 10, 11, 13,15, 17 )  2006 Wesley -- (13-1)  #1 Seed. Beat Dickinson, CMU and UMHB before losing at UW-W (7-44) in the proper shoes.

8, 9, 11, 12, 14, 16, 18)  1999 HSU -- (12-1) Beat WashU and W&J before losing (33-40) at Trinity in South Region finals.

9, 10, 12, 13, 15, 17, 19)  2002 UMHB -- (10-1)  "Bracketgate" game.  UMHB is #5 in polls and #3 South Region Seed.  Sent to Trinity (#4 in polls and #2 South Region seed) in the first round because of geographic proximity.  Loses at Trinity 38-48.

10, 11, 13, 14, 16, 18, 20)  2003 Bridgewater -- (12-2) Squeaked out of a weak but very balanced South Region and then lost at MUC 0-66.

(Revised after the 2018 Stagg Bowl.  Thanks for reading.)

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East Region football / Re: FB: Liberty League
« on: December 19, 2018, 07:57:27 pm »
Catching up on my reading...



No, I disagree and say more like WIAC, MIAC, MHB, and UMU. I would add mayble Wesley, NCC, and Linfield as outliers over the last 10-15 years that challenge here and there, but fell to a purple power. Regarding "ETZ" team, it's so diluted in the "ETZ" that one conference could have a good 2-3 year run, but I would have to side with the E 8, although that hard to gauge now with the LL and E8 playing hop scotch.

So we could then debate what make a "power conference".   I would argue a conference where the winner perennially advances in the playoffs, plus has at least 2 other teams who can compete outside of the conference and theoretically win at least first round of the playoff.  With the automatic bid system in place I don't think you can say it is necessary for two teams to make the playoffs to qualify as a power conference, and the reciprocal does not apply.  Just because a certain year, 2 teams make the playoffs from a certain conference does not create a power conference (see CC this year).  I would agree that MIAC and WIAC are the only 2 "power conferences".  Very poor showing in the playoffs by JCU knocks the OAC out.   MU and UMHB remain untouchable islands until someone knocks them off.
Good point Oline but I would extend a nod to HSU and the ASC and here is why. They are consistently raked in the top ten for at least 7 years straight, they then have the very nasty task of facing the Cru or Linfield first round and that is a constant so I would take that into consideration and HSU has knocked UMHB over the head in a conference game and beating us at their home, of course we went in Pool C that season and faced the Cowboys again and took it to them. And even this season they are the only 9-2 Team and still ranked #6 over teams that went deeper into the tournament. So I would agree MIAC and WIAC are indeed football dynamos I would propose ASC be in that club as well, maybe not a s deep as a WIAC but still a powerhouse.
Coach Pete had a great interview and they asked "What has been the plan to get where we are today" His first goal was, De-seat constantly HSU, Then Linfield, and then UMU. I would say if that is a goal of your program, it means that program is a hurdle and not a speedbump.

When I think of D1 power conferences, I would add that the bottom teams need to be figured into the mix as well.  Can the 2nd or 3rd worst team in a conference beat the 1st place team in another conference?  In D1 that is kind of what makes a "power 5" conference or not in my opinion.
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Southwestern finished 5-4 in ASC play and beat NCAC Tri-champion and its Pool A Denison 42-21.

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Multi-Regional Topics / Re: D3 vs. D1/D2/NAIA/NCCAA
« on: December 19, 2018, 12:35:12 pm »
Games of 12/17/18


Green Mountain (NAIA-D2) 62, SUNY-Delhi 52
Ferris State (NCAA-D2) 116, Olivet 83

Our old friend, Green Mountain.

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