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Title: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: admin on August 16, 2005, 05:07:35 AM
This is the new home of SCAC discussion. Welcome aboard, everyone.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 16, 2005, 05:32:46 AM
The 2005 SCAC Football Preview is now online.

http://www.scac-online.org/football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2005, 09:25:24 AM
OK, looks like everything is working OK.  Now I have to read the FAQ ...  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 16, 2005, 12:39:41 PM
Pat,
   Looks great !!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2005, 01:58:32 PM
OK, I don't remember seeing "karma" as an attribute earlier today.  Pray tell, how does one attain enlightenment ??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 16, 2005, 02:53:24 PM
Ex-major and I think it was consultant were Kappa Sigs at Millsaps.  One of you wanted to know who my friend was because he might have been your frat buddy.  He lives and works here in New Orleans after having graduated in 1999 from the 5th year accounting program.  Maybe if he knew his buddies were going to be at some of the games, he would be willing to come with me this fall should I be able to make it for one.  I'm interested to see what the new coaches are doing. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2005, 03:22:28 PM
Pat,

Just curious, will you autoroll old posts off as you did with the old software?  I see some value in being able to go back in history but the thought of having to go to page 74 of a discussion doesn't excite.  Then again, I could change my default order to "most recent post first" if you're not planning to roll the old posts off.   

And, have you considered having a separate topic for dumb questions like these??  It might save you having to answer the same questions over and over again. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 16, 2005, 04:03:13 PM
Questions, questions ...

Posts won't scroll in the same way. You can get to the most recent posts by clicking on the number of the latest page next to the conference's name,
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 16, 2005, 04:57:19 PM
Looks nice - looking forward to this season

While I'm here, does anyone have the scoop on the D this year for Trinity? I've been out of town for a while, haven't talked to anyone on the team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 16, 2005, 09:32:10 PM
tu_lb53,
Mike Inco is the new Def. Coord. and the early workouts seem to be going well; my thinking is that after a week or two the "Black Flag" will be back. There is a scrimmage vs. Monterrey Tech (who else?) on Aug. 27th, 10 a.m., Stevens Stadium. Be there!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 02:08:37 AM
you this is me, Radio check over!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2005, 02:30:06 AM
The text has to go inside those little codes in order to have an effect.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 04:32:02 AM
[like this?glow=red,2,300][/glow]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 04:33:05 AM
or this?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 04:34:31 AM
Coach R ,

What are you hearing out of memphis? 

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LynxBC62 on August 17, 2005, 09:56:03 AM
DesertLynx,
I'm hearing all systems go in Memphis. All returners are healthy and team morale is high. Freshmen are looking good and ready to contribute. I've been in touch with some of the guys and I'm getting nothing but positive reports back. I'll let you know if I hear anything else.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 17, 2005, 09:57:48 AM

Can anyone tell me how to get a team logo up along with my post?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: alphamale64 on August 17, 2005, 10:11:13 AM
I just found this message board since D3football put up the article on their main page.  Just wanted to say hello.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2005, 10:29:21 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 17, 2005, 09:57:48 AM

Can anyone tell me how to get a team logo up along with my post?


Unfortunately, this software seems to lack the ability to upload jpg's/gifs from your desktop (or the option has not been enabled).  Another option is to put the team logo in your signature, but that's a little more complicated. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2005, 10:49:37 AM
Desert Lynx, like your second one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 17, 2005, 10:51:33 AM
Desert Lynx,
I haven't talked to my son the last couple of days but I'll call him today to see how everything is going. He did mention that he thought they were looking pretty good, but he also said how much can you tell ins shorts and helmets. The 2005 season review is on the Rhodes and SCAC website, I was real proud of him, he got most of the press in the review. If you read it, he is the linebacker that led the SCAC in tackles last year. I'll talk to him later today and get a report.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 17, 2005, 11:37:33 AM
BfB,,, when's your first "Around the South Region" due?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 17, 2005, 12:08:00 PM
LynxBC62

Just wanted to say hi to a fellow supporter. Sounds like you live up in Memphis. Are you a ex player or do you have a son on the team? If you go to the games I've probably met you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 17, 2005, 01:00:01 PM
Coach R and LynxBC

Yes I also have a son on the team but communication is kind of difficult here, and I know he is getting his tail run off from sun up to sun down.  So he has virtually no time to contact me.   He did tell his mother that he likes his teammates and coaches.  So that is positive when you are in a new environment.  He too sounded optimistic about how things were going.  I am just down right  EXCITED and wish SEPT 3 would hurry up!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 17, 2005, 01:11:34 PM
BfB, looking forward to reading what you might have to say about the Tigers in 2005.  Any insights on the coming season?  Just found this forum and registered today.  Was a Texas HS 1A fan, but moved up to D-III this season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on August 17, 2005, 03:22:29 PM
May want to clarify, because the Dannies...er...DePauw are the Tigers as well. Oh, yeah, they'd have to have posters to be a factor... :o :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on August 17, 2005, 03:53:28 PM
This is the most Lynx talk this board has ever seen.
Hopefully, the team is working hard because there is a great deal of work to be done.

LynxBC, hopefully I'll see you for a game in Germany.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LynxBC62 on August 17, 2005, 04:02:40 PM
CoachR,
I graduated last year, so I played right in front of your son for a couple of years and am still keeping in touch with a lot of the guys. I am not in Memphis, but I keep getting positive feedback from them, so that's encouraging. Swan, I agree, good to see a lot of Lynx talk on the board and there is some work to do in Memphis. I'll try to get out of Ireland and make it to Germany before too long.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2005, 04:10:29 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 17, 2005, 11:37:33 AM
BfB,,, when's your first "Around the South Region" due?

HM, I would not expect ATRs to show up until the first week of the season (e.g. sometime around August 30).  Pat will correct me if I'm wrong.  The Kickoff Edition (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/) will do most of what the first column of the season did, and more.  We'll still have something, but the Kickoff will cover angles we could only dream of.   

Tigerdad, welcome.  It's a bit early and I don't have much more insight than anyone else at this point.  There are questions all over the conference.  DePauw, Rhodes, Millsaps, and maybe Centre could all be in the mix if things break right this year.  Trinity is the favorite at this point.  The offense is in generally good shape if Jacob Cannon delivers at QB, and the new WRs catch on; having two strong returning RBs (Jones and Valencia) will help.  The defense is inexperienced in the backfield and will have to develop early.  TLU has a good passing attack and should give them a workout in week 2. 

For those wondering:  this is my preliminary schedule for game coverage this year:


I would like to take in one other ASC contest, and IIRC for the first time in D3football.com history a SCAC tilt not involving Trinity.  Games at Rhodes would be the most likely, followed by games at Millsaps or DePauw.  In either case, the game would need to be significant in terms of the conference and/or the region.   But for me to get to a SCAC game in those areas, I absolutely will have to be able to find a cheap airfare, not the easiest thing to do.  Rhodes is the only school in theoretical driving distance, but 400 miles with two-thirds of that on Arkansas interstates doesn't sound like my idea of fun. 

Of course, if someone out there has millions of frequent-flyer miles burning a hole in their pocket, let's talk  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2005, 04:21:31 PM
We're going to do something different with the preseason ATRs this year, something that doesn't parrot the Kickoff yet is hopefully fun for both the writers and readers.

And I apologize I haven't communicated that yet to the writers.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 17, 2005, 06:26:05 PM
LynxBC62 & DanSwan

How did your knee operation go for you. I hope everything went fine. Ya'll keep me posted on Germany, I am interested on how things go. Good Luck. Hopefully you can get to Memphis for a game. LynxBC62, will your parents go to any games thisyear? I enjoyed them and your Dad's enthusiasm. Tailgating was a lot of fun. #33 still doesn't talk much, but I think he feels they might be able to play with the good ones this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 17, 2005, 08:36:48 PM
Bonzo,
What about Trinity at Rhodes, Oct. 29th, 1:30 p.m.?That will allow you to KILL "two birds" with one stone (or football); I expect the Tigers will be doing the Lynx in though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2005, 09:03:51 PM
Quote from: etg on August 17, 2005, 08:36:48 PM
Bonzo,
What about Trinity at Rhodes, Oct. 29th, 1:30 p.m.?  That will allow you to KILL "two birds" with one stone (or football) ...

A good idea, ETG, except I really would like to give someone else in the SCAC some press this year.  If Trinity wins the conference they will have at least three games covered this year.   If I am going to be the "South Region" columnist, I should see some games besides those in my home state once in a while ...

We'll just have to see how the season progresses. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on August 17, 2005, 10:57:04 PM
Anyone hear any news out of DePauw camp about how the Tigers doing?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 17, 2005, 11:22:19 PM
I certainly give Trinity all the respect in the world, but I do recall they did have a big L the last time they played in Memphis. I do not think this year the kids in Red and black are going to give in to anybody. Their captians this year will not allow it. But all props to Trinity, they have earned the most respect in the conference, that is what happens, when you become the king, everyone is tryning to knock you off so there can be a new "Long live the king"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 18, 2005, 11:02:06 AM
Trying my first post on the new board. Looks good but will take getting used to. Had to reregister so I doubt my post count came over but I didn't have that many posts to worry about anyway. I know Huntingdon is an independent but since we play so many SCAC teams I feel more comfortable posting here than the ACFC board.
Looks like a couple of key people didn't make it back but the main playmakers of Colson, Godwin and Golson are all back and ready to go. Hopefully somebody will step up and give us some kind of running game. Article doesn't say much about the defense so don't know yet if there's anyone to help improve that lousy run defense from last year.


http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050818/SPORTS/508180365/1002

Go Hawks!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 18, 2005, 01:28:28 PM
Coach R,

What is the good word?  Any news from practice?

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 18, 2005, 06:10:24 PM
He doesn't want to talk, he asked me why I was asking so many questions about the team, when I told him that there were people on this board that may not have the ability to keep up with everything, he didn't want me posting stuff because he doesn't want other teams to know what's going on. But the bottom line is he thinks they will be good this year, he said the new QB is doing very well, and the defense is ahead of last year. He is quitely optimistic about this year, the only question mark is the O-Line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 18, 2005, 07:46:14 PM
coachr,
"The kids in Red and Black are not going to give in to anybody"; get real?

gil,
"DePauw never quits" what; loosing to Trinity?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 18, 2005, 08:19:58 PM
coachr, don't remind me about that game, please

etg - I'd love to make the scrimmage (and some practices) but I don't get a lot of free time out here (Pensacola) and certainly not a free weekend. I'm hoping to make at least one game this year, but we'll see.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on August 19, 2005, 01:44:48 AM
Coach R,

That is understandable, I don't want to mess with their Karma. 

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 19, 2005, 09:26:53 AM
Pat, nice pic of Kelner!  If the Jake and Blake show hit their stride early this year he could put up some outrageous numbers! 

Let me know how the TU faithful participate in your "Kickoff",,, I predict big numbers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on August 19, 2005, 11:04:38 AM
 
.....RHIT FAN CHECKING IN .....

Nice Board Pat ,another job well done!!

   I thought the season would never come and now its just around the corner.
Congrats to RHIT's Brett Bueltel being named a preseason first-team All-American in the 2005 Street & Smith's College Football Yearbook. I'm not sure
how this group found RHIT but hey he's the only SCAC player selected to the Street & Smith's preseason All-America team.
  The pre-season look at RHIT shows 15 returning starters (7 on O ) (8 on D).
Looks like the Qb situation has been decided and with 4 experienced players
returning to the O-Line and the entire starting backfield returning the O should
be able to make some noise this season. The O-Line will be the X-Factor in the
offense if their experience pays off the one half of good play from last season
should turn in to a solid 4 quarters this season and hopefully more wins.
   The Defense will be strong again with 8 starters returning. No doubt  Vieck,
Jackson and Harrison will be missed, but this group seems to be the deepest on the team with returning experience and should be able to fill the gaps. Hope is
with a new D-coordinator and less field time (Offense burning up some time compared to last season) should result in a full four quarters of solid play and to more wins.
  This being RHIT's last season in the SCAC it sure would be nice to see RHIT...
Trip up - Trinity
Decapitate - DePauw
Ravage - Rhodes
Swamp - Sewanee
Confound - Centre
Mash - Millsaps

Wishing all a competitive injury free season !!






Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on August 19, 2005, 11:59:02 AM
etg,

A "DePauw never quits" banner hung in the locker room from before I arrived at Depauw, and I'm sure it hung there after I graduated.  DePauw doesn't give up in the off-season, in practice, or in games.

To quote Coach Nick, "Be persistent. 'DePauw never quits' is the motto of our athletic department. Despite the best conditioning, long hours and positive work ethic of DePauw athletes, our teams do lose contests. But the athletes persist. Success does come again. That's Tiger Pride."

That while Depauw does have set backs, what matters most is what the Tigers do after those setbacks.  They continue to prepare, and play hard, and they don't give up.  That I think is the real lesson, that while DePauw has had no success in beating Trinity, Trinity is always in for a game against DePauw.

I guess one thing DePauw never quits on is using correct spelling.  If you look at your previous post, you say "loosing" where it should say "losing". Just thought I would throw in that little stab for fun, as I can only assume you meant your post in good humor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: abnrgr on August 19, 2005, 01:46:40 PM
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 19, 2005, 02:57:33 PM
Hawks88

I have a question about Huntingdon's field. I live in B'ham so the game they play Rhodes will be a very nice short trip for me. My mother has never seen my son play, but she is in a wheelchair. I was wondering if their field is condusive to accommodating someone in a wheelchair or would it be best not to invite her down for that game? thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 19, 2005, 04:56:36 PM
coachr

The bleachers on the home side has a ramp and there is room for someone in a wheechair to sit at the bottom. I haven't been through Montgomery for several months so I am not sure yet how the visitors' side will be configured. Last year it was basically a temporary structure with a press box and a couple of small sets of bleachers. If it is set up the same way this year, there is plenty of room to bring some lawn chairs and sit with someone in a wheelchair as long as there hasn't been too much rain and it is dry. Last year though there was enough room on the home side that for the most part the visiting fans were able to sit together on the home side bleachers without any problems. They have a scrimmage tomorrow that I am planning on going to so I will be able to better tell about the visitors' side.
I hope you and your mother are able to make it to the game. Shoot me an email when you know for sure you are coming and I will try to look you up at the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on August 19, 2005, 07:04:25 PM
Hawks88

Hey thanks for the info, I greatly appreciate it. It sounds like she can go, it doesn't matter to me which side I sit on, I keep my vocal input under my breath. I will definetly shoot you an email, if nothing else to find out the good places to park for tailgating. I past the exit for Huntingdon on my way to an account in Mobile last week, I think it was exit 170. That will be the shortest drive in all my son's 4 years, I'm looking forward to it. I had a neighbor whose son played baseball for Huntingdon, I think he graduated about 2 years ago or so.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: theone on August 19, 2005, 10:05:39 PM
does anyone have a prediction on the wesley vs depauw game.

wesley 31
depauw 13
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on August 20, 2005, 09:38:24 AM
Great picture of Kelner.  I've watched him play for years, high school and college.  What a great player and competitor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on August 21, 2005, 06:47:07 PM
Did anybody else happen to attend the TU scrimmage yesterday?  And if so, thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2005, 12:11:02 PM
At least according to this Express-News article (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA082105.08C.FBC_localnotes.31b82e6.html):

Trinity coach Steve Mohr said "a battle is brewing" between junior Jacob Cannon and sophomore Blake Barmore for the Tigers' starting quarterback job.

But Mohr said Cannon, from Spring, is No. 1 on the depth chart.


Also noted:  FY Chris Baer has moved up to #3 at RB behind Jerrold Jones and Ray Valencia. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 22, 2005, 10:19:39 PM
whats the word at Depauw these days...any insight into the new coaching philosophy...your thoughts...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: shane falco on August 22, 2005, 10:35:24 PM
Urban probably just got himself cut with that dropped td pass.  It's unfortunate because he's played really well up to that point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 22, 2005, 10:51:08 PM
I cringed when I saw that, but in the replay I saw the DB just barely tip it, enough to knock that high-velocity pass just out of his hands, which makes sense - I don't think I've ever seen him just drop a ball like that.

He's had a good game other than that, and I think (maybe hope is a better choice of words) he'll pull through.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 23, 2005, 09:14:00 AM
just testing, have not posted yet to the new board

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 23, 2005, 09:20:38 AM
Ok, Bedtime, tell me again how to get a logo into the message.  I have to find a picture that is on a website?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 23, 2005, 09:30:51 AM
Yep.  Then you go into profile (top of screen) -> Forum-related profile information (left menu bar), select "I have my own pic" and type in the URL.

I made this offer on one of the other boards, if you have a .jpg or a .gif and don't want the hassle of finding a hosting service, e-mail it to me (click on my profile for the e-mail address) and I'll put it up.  I have around a gigabyte of storage I'm not using for anything. 

Too bad about Urban dropping another pass in a game situation.  The reports from Seattle are that five of the six WR spots are locked up, so he's one of five or six WRs fighting for the last one.   Good luck to him ... I hope that he might get a shot with another team if Seattle cuts him, but that's a bit of a stretch.

BTW, I have created a poll on which South Region conference will have its rep go deepest in the playoffs.  Get out there and vote for your choice!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 23, 2005, 11:24:21 AM
Majors have their Purple and White scrimmage this Saturday.  Should know more about the starters and the team at that point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2005, 09:12:33 AM
The board sure has been quiet since yesterday afternoon.  I wonder why  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 24, 2005, 11:47:11 AM
The drop that Jerheme suffered on the slant over the middle was very uncharacteristic.... the 'dropped' touchdown was tipped and would have been a miraculous catch, had he been able to control it.  I still hope that his hard work and the character and work ethic that he has shown will land him a spot on someone's roster even if it isn't Seattle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 24, 2005, 07:36:51 PM
FYI, Re: Don Hansen's Gazette
      NCAA Division III---August 2005 Pre-Season Rankings  (Top 40)
      Trinity (Texas)---#14
      No other SCAC members are rated in 1-40. ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 24, 2005, 07:48:18 PM
nothing out of Depauw these days...third coach in 3 years...any comments...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2005, 07:54:07 PM
Quote from: scotty on August 24, 2005, 07:48:18 PM
nothing out of Depauw these days...third coach in 3 years...any comments...

Ask us after the opener vs. Wesley.  That should be a pretty good indicator of how things will go.  If Lynch had stayed, DePauw would have been a solid favorite, but a lot of unknowns this year.  Wesley doesn't often travel as far as Indiana, which should help the Tigers. 

DPU has the pieces to be a solid team this year.  It's all in how they get assembled. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 24, 2005, 10:08:44 PM
ETG... Who else did you expect?  I think TU could have gotten a little more respect.  9-2,,, losing to eventual runner-up in D3 and powerhouse in NAIA... come on...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on August 25, 2005, 01:59:23 AM
I discussed the same topic with some players recently and they appear unaffected as the coaches should teach them not to be.  I've been told that the defense plans to be more aggresive than in years past, something I wished for in my day.  The players I know have ben speaking praises of the new format the Black Flag has taken.  From what I saw at the intersquad scrimmage the offense pretty well passed and ran as they have in the past few years and were able to make the defense stumble a little more than I have seen in summer camps in the past.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 25, 2005, 08:10:01 PM
History,
I really expected that DPU would at least be in the Top 40 ???
Regarding TU's ranking; #14 may be too low, but I just can't bring myself to believe that the Tigers are in the Top 10 yet? I do think that if they make the right QB selection, in time they can be well towards the top of the Top 10!

B/L,
At the workout this afternoon, per your comments, the Black Flag really got into the middle of the Tiger O (they were impressive). The QB race is heating up; it will absolutely take the right choice to make the Tigers a top team. IMHO, with all other things being equal and when in doubt "start" with the  :-\ guy. Maybe the Monterrey Tech scrimmage (Saturday) will help the coaches "size-up" this issue?     

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 25, 2005, 09:22:14 PM
Swinny, what's the starting lineup looking like for the D?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 10:08:01 AM
Quote from: etg on August 25, 2005, 08:10:01 PM
History,
I really expected that DPU would at least be in the Top 40 ???
Regarding TU's ranking; #14 may be too low, but I just can't bring myself to believe that the Tigers are in the Top 10 yet? I do think that if they make the right QB selection, in time they can be well towards the top of the Top 10!

DePauw needs that signature win (against guess who) to get the respect they deserve in the polls.   A win in the opener would be a good start, tho.

I got a call from my brother in SA yesterday who said that some poll/ranking printed in yesterday's E-N had Trinity ranked #6.  Anyone see that, or did my brother see some other Trinity in another division and get confused?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 26, 2005, 12:17:19 PM
Interesting news out of Millsaps.....but nothing more than interesting.

Check out this link to the Jackson Clarion-Ledger

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20050826/NEWS01/508260365/1002

This has been in the works for months.....and Millsaps was finally able to get all the information they needed to make it happen. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2005, 01:09:36 PM
DePauw needs to have the same coach two years in a row, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 26, 2005, 02:21:09 PM
Pat, didnt Ashland have a player in his 50's a while back...also, i think Depauw took a big hit in recruiting this year and he best stay for a while...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 02:51:03 PM
Quote from: scotty on August 26, 2005, 02:21:09 PM
Pat, didnt Ashland have a player in his 50's a while back...also, i think Depauw took a big hit in recruiting this year and he best stay for a while...

DPU lists 104 players on their roster (including 35 FYs),  a decent number for a SCAC school.   

Interesting that only 35 of the other 69 are letterwinners from previous seasons ... so depth will likely be an issue.  Also interesting that four FYs (and one soph) are from a single school in St. Louis, Chaminade Prep. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 26, 2005, 03:06:40 PM
to clarify my recruiting comment, Coach Lynch was very strong in Indiana from his years in the state...i agree 35 is respectable if its the right 35...also,is Chaminade Prep a power in the St Louis area?...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 03:46:16 PM
Quote from: scotty on August 26, 2005, 03:06:40 PM
Is Chaminade Prep a power in the St Louis area?...

Hopefully someone can answer that, I have no clue.

Here are the respective roster details for SCAC schools, btw:










SchoolFYSoJrSrTot
Centre1924132480
DePauw35252222104
Millsaps5018111089
Rhodes252513972
Rose-Hulman3224101682
Sewanee1212121349
Trinity46331922120
[/b]

Also interesting:  what %age of the freshman class are football players?











SchoolFY classFY FBers%age
Centre300196.3%
DePauw617355.7%
Millsaps400e5012.5%
Rhodes446255.6%
Rose-Hulman470326.8%
Sewanee424122.8%
Trinity675466.8%
[/b]

Observations:
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on August 26, 2005, 04:02:29 PM
Any way to find out what % of FY MALES are football players?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 04:23:12 PM
The school sites didn't break down the m/f ratios.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 26, 2005, 04:29:47 PM
Wabash would be easy to figure...had to get that in esp with the Depauw folks...great rivalry...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on August 26, 2005, 05:01:03 PM
Just a note on the Chaminade Red Devils question...

Chaminade Red Devils
425 South Lindbergh
St. Louis, MO 63131-2799

Metro Catholic CONFERENCE

School      League     Overall      PF-PA   
 
DeSmet       4-0      10-1      352-163      
SLUH       3-1        7-3      234-136      
CBC       2-2        8-3      227-137      
Chaminade  1-3        3-7      152-222      
Vianney       0-4        2-8      127-247

Last year  3-7 as you can see ,but they have sent
players to the Big Ten so there must be some talent rolling
through the halls at times.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 26, 2005, 05:04:23 PM
obviously not a powerhouse...ive always been partial to players that come from winning programs but you never know...5 from the same school is interesting...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 26, 2005, 06:50:22 PM
Bonzo,
The #6 ranking in the SAEN was for the Tiger women in Pre-season DIII Volleyball. They are probably better than that; the season starts next Friday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 26, 2005, 07:59:24 PM
BFB,
  Where did you get the figures for Millsaps?  I'm curious to know and I don't fault you at all....but Millsaps has never in the history of the school had a FY class of 400, and they were no where close this year.

On another note, I'm going to have a look at the Majors' Purple and White scrimmage tomorrow....should be interesting.....particularly since their projected starting QB is likely out for several weeks with a shoulder injury.  We'll see if that's the case......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2005, 11:22:37 PM
Consultant, Millsaps was the one school for which I could not find a definitive freshman class size.  I estimated 400 based on a total enrollment of 1200 ... but just now found a millsaps.edu profile page placing Millsaps' enrollment at 1076 undergrads.  300-325 seems more likely, making the size of this year's incoming FB class all the more impressive. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on August 27, 2005, 12:22:51 AM
When I was at DePauw we had number of people from the St. Louis area there, with a handful of Missouri boys on the team.

I agree it's nice to have athletes from winning h.s. programs on the team, but you can't count out the hunger to win from the guys on the team who did not have successful high school squads.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 27, 2005, 06:49:29 PM
Anyone make it to the TU scrimmage today?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 28, 2005, 12:07:23 AM
Bedtime,
    Man, I like the educated guess on the Millsaps entering class.  If only that were the case!  Thanks for clarifying.

Millsaps Purple and White scrimmage report......

A nice crowd was on hand for the no contact, controlled scrimmage on Saturday.  They ran a very basic offensive package, so it was hard to get a grasp of any strengths and weaknesses.  Looks like the roster will fill out at 89 players.  Several guys with nagging injuries were held out of the workout for precautionary reasons. 

Of particular interest is the status of projected starting quarterback Raymece Savage (So.)  Despite my earlier report of a possible severe injury, Raymece has nothing more than a bruise and a muscle strain and is expected to start next Saturday at Huntingdon.  However, he was held out of today's scrimmage. 

Hopefully Millsaps will keep its doors open at the beginning of the week as Hurricane Katrina is projected to make her way straight up I 55.  The Jackson area is expected to see 6-8 inches of rain and sustained winds of up to 75 mph. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: kidd3776 on August 28, 2005, 03:25:23 PM
Any Information On Depauw's Scrimmage yesterday?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2005, 11:36:19 PM
Good luck to all those in the way of this dreadful storm.  Students/faculty at Millsaps (Jackson, MS), Huntingdon, and Rhodes all could be in harm's way as it progresses, and of course the poor people of New Orleans will bear the brunt of the damages.  Stay safe!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 29, 2005, 10:11:16 AM
Bedtime,

I can't believe you picked Huntingdon against the Majors on the ASC pick'em page! Oh well, I'll take your points.

On another note, our thoughts go out to those in the path of Katrina today!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2005, 10:37:25 AM
Two young teams, also not certain whether Raymece Savage will be at full speed.  Both teams played much better at the end of last season, went with the home 'dog.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on August 29, 2005, 01:22:04 PM
Ron Boerger:

I echo your concerns about the danger/impact of Katrina
as d3 teams in the eastern third of the country (bottom to top!) begin to gear-up for the opening weekend.  Millsaps is one of the closest to the coast, but the rain and wind will clear out there pretty quickly.  Points north and east will not be so lucky.

Best of luck to all teams as the season gets underway.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 29, 2005, 06:23:19 PM
any words of wisdom from the Depauw faithful?...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 29, 2005, 08:17:41 PM
tu_lb53,

"A bad dress rehearsal means a good first performance."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on August 29, 2005, 08:26:57 PM
hah - let's hope so
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on August 29, 2005, 09:26:50 PM
Indeed.  The last season that started with a Monterrey Tech bashing didn't turn out too well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 30, 2005, 04:43:31 PM
http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/football

Huntingdon vs. Millsaps has been postponed to Oct. 1 because of Hurricane Katrina. Since there are questions as to when Jackson will have power restored and concerns about players' families and both teams still had the open date in common this was an easy call I guess. As a season ticket holder I actually got a phone call from the Huntingdon athletic department telling of the change also.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 30, 2005, 04:48:33 PM
News from Millsaps in aftermath of Hurricane Katrina

I spoke with an athletic department representative this afternoon.  Millsaps has cancelled classes for the remainder of the week.  The campus received minimal damage from the storm.  However, the school has no power and no running water.   The campus is being evacuated today.  Most of Jackson is without power and the entire city is under a boil water notice for those fortunate to have running water.  Good news is that Millsaps is on the same power grid as some of the hospitals in the area, so the school should have power restored in the next day or so.  

No word on whether the football team will play at Huntingdon this Saturday.   I'll keep you informed.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 30, 2005, 04:51:55 PM
Millsaps report:

Just received word that the Millsaps-Huntingdon game has been postponed until Oct. 1.  This means that Millsaps first real game will not be until Sept. 24 vs. Belhaven.  The Majors' first "game" will be against Concordia-Selma on the 17th of September.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 30, 2005, 08:46:58 PM
Ron: Chaminade is a Catholic boys school with an enrollment of about 900, grades 6-12. Its football schedule includes some of the better teams in greater St. Louis high school football, but Chaminade has been generally inferior (from a football standpoint) to most of the schools on its schedule. Greater St. Louis high school football, in my judgment, is not as good as that of many similarly sized cities such as Cleveland, Cincinnati and Pittsburgh. Chaminade's enrollment is drawn disproportionately from the upper middle class - perhaps accounting for the relatively high number of its graduates on the DePauw (an expensive college) football roster.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 30, 2005, 08:58:29 PM
interesting...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 30, 2005, 09:54:01 PM
Hmmm... Chaminade, STL????  Just wait til vouchers come out!  Small, Catholic, disproportionately upper middle class.... Sounds like a 'prep school' that could do some serious damage!  Have them look into applying at Trinity!  Ole'
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2005, 11:33:43 PM
Frank, thanks (as always) for your insight.  I wasn't trying to say that DePauw was trying to pull anything funny, it just seems unusual to get four kids from the same school in a single year.  DePauw's not the easiest place to get into, either.  I wonder if the kid deom Chaminade who went there last year got on the phone to his buddies and did some recruting.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on August 30, 2005, 11:43:16 PM
Ron: We aim to please.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on August 31, 2005, 12:22:38 AM
It's not that unusual. Wabash has three freshmen football players on the roster from Indianapolis Roncalli this season. No big deal - they all looked at the school and decided it was for them and they'd play together.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 01, 2005, 08:16:20 AM
Ron--

Any insights on how the Seahawks adding malcontent Peter Warrick yesterday will impact Jereme Urban?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on September 01, 2005, 09:56:02 AM
Disappointing move by them.  You would've thought they'd learned their lesson with malcontent Koren Robinson.  There's really one spot left, and Urban just went from having about a 50-50 shot (Hackett being his primary opposition) to a 33% shot.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 01, 2005, 10:11:18 AM
I read in an article that the Saints will use the practice facilities at Trinity while they stay in SA?  Is this true and is it the same practice field that the TU football team uses?

My heart goes out to all those affected by this tradegy!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 01, 2005, 10:28:33 AM
It appears that the 'aints will come to SAT after their game this week.  Trinity was mentioned as a training site, but with school in session,, that becomes difficult.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/football/nfl/stories/MYSA083105.1C.FBNsaints.alamodome.da89440.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2005, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 01, 2005, 08:16:20 AM
Ron--

Any insights on how the Seahawks adding malcontent Peter Warrick yesterday will impact Jereme Urban?

Makes it really, really difficult.  They might use Warrick primarily in a KR/PR role, but seems unlikely.  As I said over on the D3s in the Pro board, they wouldn't sign him to a one-year contract if they were going to turn around and cut him in a week.

Seattle WRs that seem to be in:
Bannister - about to come off the PUP list
Engram
D Jackson (catching passes now, dropped lots last season)
Jurevicius
Warrick

Seattle WRs fighting for the 6th (final) spot
Pathon
Urban
Hackett
T. Wallace
Shaw

Most reports seem to lean towards Pathon, though his star seems to be fading over the last week or two.  Until last week Hackett was having a better camp/preseason than Urban.   Hackett could go on the practice squad for another year, everyone else has used up their eligibility.   Hackett also had a minor injury in the game last week, if they hold him out this week it could give Urban a few more reps. 

Everyone keeps saying that Hasslebeck and Holmgren love Urb, but they keep signing all these FA WRs (Jurevicus, Pathon, now Warrick).   ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 01, 2005, 11:28:50 AM
Maybe he could stick with the Eagles.  They seem to need some help at WR--at least that's what I hear about 20 times a day up here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2005, 06:00:20 PM
Haven't heard much about Rose-Hulman, but here is a nice preview (http://www.tribstar.com/articles/2005/09/01/sports/college_yesterday/college01.txt) from the Terre Haute Tribune-Star.  Significantly, there will be no platooning QBs this year as last year's co-QB, Aaron Gerhardstein, elected not to play this year.  That should help Rose' continuity on offense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 01, 2005, 07:28:03 PM
Ex Major,
The Saints will practice at the SAISD Sports Facility which is near Burbank High School. The Saints have used this facility before and like it; question now is if the Sept. 18th regular season game vs. the Giants will be in the Alamodome or elsewhere? Tom Benson always favors San Antonio, but the league usually chooses a game site closer to home (Houston, Dallas, Baton Rouge, Alabama)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2005, 11:01:35 PM
Quote from: scotty on August 29, 2005, 06:23:19 PM
any words of wisdom from the Depauw faithful?...

Doubtful...

Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on August 30, 2005, 11:33:43 PM
DePauw's not the easiest place to get into, either.

A pulse is necessary, I think...and a BMW.

OK, but seriously, folks...

DePauw should have a solid team this year.  Wiethoff is certainly the real deal at QB.  Interesting opener this year against Wesley at Blackstock.  I'll actually be rooting for the Tigers - call it reverse East Coast bias.

I'd also like to see DePauw beat Trinity...just because.

Nice of Bill Lynch to make a long-term commitment to the school.  Guess he didn't want to blemish his Bell Game record (can't blame him).

Have a garlic cheeseburger at Marvin's for me...(yes, I'm jealous).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2005, 11:04:23 PM
Good luck to Rhodes this year.  Lived in Memphis from 95-99, attended the Wabash-Rhodes game when they played.

Maybe you could sneak DeAngelo Williams into uniform for the DePauw game? :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 01, 2005, 11:29:07 PM
so witty for a cpa...remind me to share Depauw's new coach's recruiting statement...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 02, 2005, 12:58:42 AM
Please share - that is something to be treasured! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2005, 09:27:07 AM
The San Antonio Express-News reports that Trinity 'D' must prove it's worthy of 'Black Flag' (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA090205.3D.FBCtrinity.defense.17cc03a2.html).   

According to the article, "the 'Black Flag' became a Trinity tradition after the Tigers finished as the No. 1 unit in the nation in 1998."    Last year's unit allowed 21.2ppg and only forced 15 turnovers, however, and the coaching staff won't let the defense carry the flag onto the field this year until they earn it ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 02, 2005, 02:33:21 PM
Millsaps announced today that classes will resume on Mon. September 12.  The campus does have power, but many parts of Jackson are still without power.  Millsaps is also taking the extra week to accomodate students from other universities and colleges hit hard by the storm who wish to continue their studies.  First "game" for the Majors is Sept. 17th versus Concordia-Selma.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on September 03, 2005, 01:19:33 PM
Is it just me or is the KRTU feed quality absolutely horrible? It's a shame, because Kovacs sounds a lot more poised than he has in years past, I just can't understand half of what he's saying
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tusid on September 03, 2005, 01:35:12 PM
Feed is bad...best I can tell is two TU turnovers and no score early in the second quarter....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2005, 02:11:54 PM
I am posting score updates from the game.  See the ASC in-game updates for more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on September 03, 2005, 02:14:27 PM
k, thanks Ron
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on September 03, 2005, 04:16:14 PM
Any news from the Rhodes game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on September 03, 2005, 05:30:31 PM
43-31 final  LYNX WIN!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on September 03, 2005, 06:24:05 PM
Great, 
It's great to see Rhodes get off on the right foot.
43 points, looks like Oliver had a good influence from older QB's his freshman year.

Good work guys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 03, 2005, 07:30:50 PM
Ron, thanks for posting the Trinity v. Austin College story online so quickly.  I was happy to see it and read your analysis.  I listened to the game on the web, but the sound quality was messed up in the first half.

Hope JJ & Ray are OK and looking forward to seeing how the Tigers' offense improves during the next week.  Hoping to see some substitution with the new guys if possible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 03, 2005, 08:47:24 PM
DePauw fan - if you are out there - what was the deal today. Come out, come out, where ever you are!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on September 03, 2005, 09:27:38 PM
RHIT UPDATE

                Rose Hulman 35    ---   Earham  13

Charlie Key  4 rushing TD's 155 yds at  the Half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2005, 10:31:18 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 03, 2005, 07:30:50 PM
Hope JJ & Ray are OK and looking forward to seeing how the Tigers' offense improves during the next week.  Hoping to see some substitution with the new guys if possible.

You're welcome.  Had to get it to Pat quick because I had another committment.  Would have loved to get some quotes but just did not have time.   No doubt Coach Mohr would have had some very interesting things to say.

It looked like Ray just had the wind knocked out of him - that was a huge hit.  JJ possibly pulled a hammy, though he got off without help.  Hopefully it's not much.  He got tackled from behind and went down awkwardly.   Plotnick's effectiveness surprised me, except the one time they tried to run him from deep in the backfield.  He's definitely a FB-type runner.

Really impressive was ACC's Brian Womack.  He had some good moves and escaped numerous times.   He had some cramp problems and missed some key downs in the second half.  Without him to worry about, the D could really T off on the QB and the other, less effective RBs.  Womack kept them close two years ago, at least until an injury  took him out of that game. 

Trinity got their WRs open deep a number of times, but the ball was just a tad late arriving, which gave the AC DB's time to respond.  There was a decent breeze which could have held the ball up.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: patsajak on September 03, 2005, 10:32:11 PM
I was at the DePauw home opener today and the offense and defense looked surprisingly poised and prepared for the first five minutes (about 2 series for each) of the game.  Wesley ran the ball well and passed well all day with tall receivers and small backs.  DePauw struggled to stop their passing game for the most part and on offense they struggled with finding a rythym with the running game (which looked good in the second half) or the passing game (which was inconsistent to say the least).  Overall, they attempted to mount a come back at the end, but just couldn't move the ball with a big opposing d-line and passes that came up short.  Final score i believe was 26-31 Wesley.  I don't know how i'm going to deal with the next four years coming from just down the road, but i gotta support my lil bro as he is just getting his career underway and mine is long forgotten.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on September 03, 2005, 11:09:19 PM
RHIT UPDATE

Rose Hulman    48        Earlham  41   

Whoa ................

C Key  38 carries 207 yrds  5 TD's
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2005, 12:43:20 AM
Good wins today for Rhodes and Rose-Hulman ... the latter a little more exciting than it had to be, hey?  Good effort from DePauw against a quality opponent.  Losing the turnover battle 4-1 had a lot to do with the final outcome.  Sewanee ... poor Sewanee, I hope something can be done to turn that program around.  Centre, sort of hiding in the weeds so far, good comeback after going down 13-0 at home to get the win. 

SCAC scores:

#11 Trinity 14 @ Austin 3 (http://www.d3football.com/story.php?story=7391)
Wesley 31, @ DePauw 26 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7360)
@ Hampden-Sydney 52 Sewanee 7 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7346) as JD Ricca goes nuts
@Centre 27, Bluffton 20 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7674)
@Rhodes 45, Louisiana College 35 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7409) despite 429 yds passing by LC's Cooper
RHIT 45, @Earlham 41 (http://www.d3football.com/releases.php?release=7400)  5 rushing TDs, 207 yds from Charlie Key

Recod for the week:  4-2



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LynxBC62 on September 04, 2005, 09:53:38 AM
CoachR,
I am sure you were in Memphis for the game Saturday. Sounds like it was a good win. Anything else noteworthy about the game? There is only so much you can tell from scores and stats.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 05, 2005, 11:36:22 AM
A "W" is a "W"..... A learning experience.  Props to AC for hanging tough.  I think they're going to win some surprises in their ASC farewell tour this year!

Lot's of new faces for TU,,, Jake needs to 'trust the force' and all will be well in SAT.

Big test Saturday against an emerging TLU... thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on September 05, 2005, 05:33:38 PM
LynxBC62,

They started off well, had the game in control in the first half, 22-10 at the half. La. college brought in #24 in the 2nd half to run the ball and he went wild. La. went ahead, scored 3 straight TD's in the 3rd Qtr. they went after a couple of the DB's, stayed away from 3 people on the defense. But the Lynx came back with some big time plays, a kickoff return to the 3, then scored, and forced fumble and return on defense for a TD to put the icing on the cake.  The final was actually 43 - 33, the  Lynx took a safety on 4th and 10 on their own 25 with 9 secs. left. Oliver was very impressive, Lake ran his heart out and had 157 hard running yards. The OLine did much better than I was expecting. The defense played well, they gave up some points but the La. offense was strong. La. college did not run at #33, or Bruner or Louden, they played the entire game away from those 3. But there were a lot of others to step up, Bartholomew had a great game so did Foti. The D line did not really sack much, but their offense was all 3 step drops with timing patterns, they got rid of it before they could get in. If what I heard was true, that La. had 9 returning offensive players from the #3 rated offense in D3 last year, the Lynx may just surpise some people this year. The biggest thing about the game, as you will well know, they got behind but found a way to win in the 4th Qtr.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 05, 2005, 08:22:02 PM
This past Saturday, we met the enemy and THEY were US.   :-[

Next Saturday,  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Longtooth on September 05, 2005, 09:47:28 PM
The Same old!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2005, 12:24:09 AM
SCAC players of the week:

Football - Offensive
CHARLIE KEY OF ROSE-HULMAN INSTITUTE OF TECHNOLOGY, a 5-10, 205-pound senior tailback from Harrison, Ohio, has been selected the SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 3. Key tied a Rose-Hulman school record with five rushing touchdowns in the team's 48-41 victory at Earlham. The senior running back amassed 38 carries and 207 yards, the fifth-best single-game total in school history, while becoming the eighth player in school history to surpass 2,000 career rushing yards.

Football - Defensive
SHAUN IRCHIRL OF TRINITY UNIVERSITY, a 5-8, 180-pound sophomore defensive back from Humble, Texas, has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 3. Irchirl picked up an interception on back-to-back fourth quarter possessions in the game, helping the Tiger defense to hold Austin College to just three points and 219 total offensive yards. Irchirl knocked down another pass, and also had three total tackles in the Tigers' season-opening win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2005, 11:03:43 AM
Man, this board is quiet.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.io.com%2F%7Erboerger%2Fgifs%2Favatar3674og.gif&hash=d96f3cd214b2b3f3f75a785393d9db478bc56ebc)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 08, 2005, 01:23:23 PM
I'm predicting a real battle at EM Stevens Sat nite!  TLU is always tough, getting better every year, and TU is just getting it's 'sea-legs' with the Jake and Blake show.  Strap 'em on gentlemen... let's get it on!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 09, 2005, 04:32:37 PM
What - Rhodes, DePauw, and Millsaps have a week off and everyone quits posting?

Trinity v. Texas Lutheran
Mt. St. Josephs v. Rose-Hulman
Centre v. Kenyon
Huntingdon v. Sewanee

Texas game looks like a good one.  MSJ v Rose could be interesting.  Centre should romp.  Is there any hope for Sewanee?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 09, 2005, 05:31:23 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 09, 2005, 04:32:37 PM
  Is there any hope for Sewanee?

I hope not  ;) Since I'm making the 4 hour drive in the morning. My first DIII road game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 09, 2005, 05:54:27 PM
I'll bite.......

Trinity v. Texas Lutheran   (TLU squeaks by with late touchdown to win 21-14)
Mt. St. Josephs v. Rose-Hulman  (Mt. St. Joseph too tough in this one 21-7)
Centre v. Kenyon  (Centre by plenty 42-14)
Huntingdon v. Sewanee  (Close one but Sewanee prevails 17-14)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on September 09, 2005, 06:30:01 PM
QuoteMt. St. Josephs v. Rose-Hulman  (Mt. St. Joseph too tough in this one 21-7)

Ok the swami will take a crack at it too....

Centre -v- Kenyon  > Centre gets a cake walk this week-end
Mt. St. Joseph's  -v-  RHIT   > RHIT    plays payback wins by 12
Trinity -v- TLU   >   TLU in a tight game
Huntingdon  -v-  Sewanee   >  Sewanee in the battle of titans
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 09, 2005, 06:38:48 PM
Guess I should make some predictions since I posted the games :)

Winners:

Trinity
Rose Hulman
Centre
Huntingdon
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2005, 02:33:32 PM
Interesting quote from TLU coach Tom Mueller in today's Seguin Gazette-Enterprise (http://seguingazette.com/story.lasso?ewcd=441657fd4a7109b9):

Mueller said he believes the Bulldogs are at a disadvantage playing on the road and dealing with the fact that Trinity has played a game and they haven't. He also said there are other factors TLU must deal with.

"For some reason, Trinity usually gets favorable calls at their place," Mueller said. "That's just the way it is; there's nothing we can do about it. All we can worry about is the things we control.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2005, 02:57:41 PM
in 2004 at home, TLU averaged 6.5 penalties/54 yards vs. opponents 10.3/97.  In the Trinity game, it was TLU 3-25 v. Trinity 9-108. Apparently SA's not the only place where the home team gets the calls :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2005, 04:56:58 PM
Sewanee's 2nd string QB is out with an injury ... after Wesley Satterfield broke  his hand (I think) a couple of weeks ago.  23-6 Huntingdon in the 4th quarter.    Not good news for an already shorthanded team.  Chris Murphy (5'6", 145, FY) in at QB for Sewanee.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2005, 05:27:39 PM
Getting some rain in south San Antonio ... lots on radar.  May be a sloppy field at EM Stevens tonight. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 10, 2005, 10:44:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 10, 2005, 04:56:58 PM
Sewanee's 2nd string QB is out with an injury ... after Wesley Satterfield broke  his hand (I think) a couple of weeks ago.  23-6 Huntingdon in the 4th quarter.    Not good news for an already shorthanded team.  Chris Murphy (5'6", 145, FY) in at QB for Sewanee.

I think the second string guy ended up with a broken collar bone. Murphy(who is listed as a WR) took a pretty good beating. He will definitely be sore for a couple of days. They will sure have trouble accomplishing much until they get a QB healthy.
That score is a whole lot closer than it should have been. HC lost two fumbles in the red zone and turned it over on downs inside the 5 once. Overall the offense kind of sputtered most of the day. Hopefully just first game jitters and can be worked out soon. The defense seems to be much improved.
For most of the game HC I think had as many fans as Sewanee except for the last part of the second quarter when a large number of students started showing up but most had left by the time the second half started. Some guys were wearing these black capes and a bunch of others were wearing kilts. Not sure what to think of those kids. They do have a beautiful campus there at Sewanee and we really enjoyed the trip.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 10, 2005, 11:11:59 PM
Hawks,
   Those black-caped kids were not really there.....simply a figment of your imagination.....just ghosts from the days when Sewanee played in the SEC.  Congrats on the Huntingdon win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2005, 01:49:18 AM
Quick thoughts from TLU-Trinity; more in the column next week.

- TLU had a big size advantage on the OL and was quick to the corners.  Trinity was back on their heels the first couple of series.
- Holt Storrie hit a 20yd FG to give TLU its biggest lead of the night, 9-3.  On second down before the kick, Sean Salinas appeared to have taken a pretty good lick and was replaced on third down, and as holder on the FG try.
- Trinity regained the momentum with some beautiful deep passing.  Good to see Robert Kelner get involved in the offense again.
- Just as things were looking really bad for TLU (they had given up a TD on a 2-play, 75 yd drive, gone three and out, and Trinity had the ball at midfield), lightning hit the area and everyone went to the locker rooms.  For an hour and a half.
- TLU got the momentum back going in to the half thanks to a huge play by McCoy, who returned an INT 50 yards for a score just before the half.
- TLU's offense struggled after the FG.  At one point the Bulldogs assayed 11 straight running plays spanning the 2nd and 3rd quarters, with only one first down to show for their troubles.  When Salinas finally did start throwing the ball, he was not as effective as earlier, which made me wonder if he had his bell rung pretty well.  Then again, he was under a lot of pressure in the third quarter especially.
- Salinas and TLU started to get back into it when they abandoned a more deliberate style of play in favor of a hurryup offense in the fourth.  It may have been too hurried as there were several fumbles/INTs late that kept TLU from getting that last score. 
- Trinity was throwing a LOT of deep passes.  There were at least 3 or 4 perfectly good passes (maybe more) from Cannon that were dropped by the WRs, either due to contact or just because they couldn't hold on. 
- TLU was hitting a crossing route ALL NIGHT LONG.  Trinity finally started rushing only three guys to drop another guy back in coverage.  Salinas still kept hurting the Tigers with this play.
- The difference in the game came down to defensive line play.  Salinas was running for his life a lot, and while he got away a number of times, he also took five or six sacks.   They were even able to exert pressure only rushing the three guys.  TLU was unable to exert similar pressure, though they did get to Cannon a few times. 


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2005, 03:22:06 AM
Ron, specific questions that you may have already thought of for your column.

Did the extra week make a difference for TU?

Will we see them play each other in November?

Might a 8-2/8-1 (Tri-champion) TLU get into the playoffs as a 2nd Pool C bid?

How much as Salinas matured?

Thanks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 11, 2005, 03:44:43 AM
As predicted, TLU was tough... TU prevails 31-23... thunder, lightening, delays...  TLU will do some damage in the ASC.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2005, 11:00:53 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2005, 03:22:06 AM
Ron, specific questions that you may have already thought of for your column.

Did the extra week make a difference for TU?

You have to think it did.  Jacob Cannon did a much better job of leading his receivers - last week the WRs were having to come back to the ball on deep routes.

QuoteWill we see them play each other in November?

Might a 8-2/8-1 (Tri-champion) TLU get into the playoffs as a 2nd Pool C bid?

I thought, of the three games against '04 playoff competitors, that this would be TLU's best chance to steal a win.  It will be very tough for them to go into Belton next week and defeat UMHB, and Hardin-Simmons will also be tough (though that is the one game they get at home).

That said, I've said all along that if TLU goes 8-2 that they will be a very strong Pool C contender.  Their QoW would be quite high.  Only the NCAA knows for sure.

QuoteHow much as Salinas matured?
I did not see him play last year, but he is a leader and the team obviously believes in him.   During the third quarter/early fourth, when Trinity pretty much had their way, he did seem to get a bit of happy feet under pressure.  Some of that may have been trying to clear the cobwebs out, because once TLU went to the hurry-up offense, he was much more composed. 

BTW Sean set the all-time TLU passing mark last night. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 11, 2005, 03:40:27 PM
I've been digging for more information about the now infamous Concordia-Selma football program.....I found an NAIA website (NAIAfootball.net) that seems to indicate that Concordia-Selma is an NAIA provisional member.  The college is a historically black insitution located in Selma, AL, which is west of Montgomery. 

Concordia-Selma will play at Millsaps on Saturday, Sept. 17; it will be the Majors' first game of the 2005 season.  I have been under the impression (as we all have) that the game will not count in the standings for Millsaps.  However, there might be an argument that the game can count based on some information that I have found.

Concordia-Selma has played three games already, but their first game is the interesting one:
D II West Alabama (Livingston, AL) d. Concordia-Selma 34-12 on August 25 -- this game apparently has counted in the West Alabama standings as indicated on the West Alabama website and the Gulf South Conference website.  The stats are listed on the West Alabama website and the Gulf South Conference website.  Ummmmm................. 

Concordia-Selma d. Allen University (Columbia, SC) 25-6 on September 3 -- no other info available......

Concordia-Selma played at Atlantic College yesterday -- no score and no other info available and I'm not sure that an Atlantc College exists in the US.....there is an Atlantic College located in Wales, UK.  :)

I'm passing this info along to the powers that be at Millsaps and at the SCAC....if this game can count for Millsaps, then it ought to.  But I'm not holding my breath.

I'll post something when I hear something......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 11, 2005, 03:56:37 PM
Whatever Atlantic College-Charlotte is, Concordia-Selma pretty much wiped the field with them 75-8. Here is a link to the game article:

http://www.selmatimesjournal.com/articles/2005/09/11/sports/local/sports%2000000000000001.txt
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 11, 2005, 03:58:48 PM
Ahhh...nice work Hawks !!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2005, 04:31:39 PM
A quick call to the NCAA to confirm whether the U West Alabama game counted should give us the answer.

Does Millsaps have the secondary speed necessary to cover Concordia-Selma?

Great job, Hawks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 11, 2005, 04:55:48 PM

Am I to understand that Jacob Cannon, despite poor numbers that Trinity has not seen a qb post in many years, actually looked better vs. TLU than against AC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2005, 11:51:17 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 11, 2005, 04:55:48 PM

Am I to understand that Jacob Cannon, despite poor numbers that Trinity has not seen a qb post in many years, actually looked better vs. TLU than against AC?

In some ways, yes.  If the receivers catch half of the passes they dropped he ends up completing 50% for 350-400 yards.  As Coach Mohr told me last night, Jacob is still very much a work in progress but there is a great deal of potential.  He threw some very pretty deep balls right where they had to be.   

Not that I am trying to sound like the president of the Cannon fan club, but it would also help him if the team could establish the run.  The OL struggled to open holes most of the night.  Their pass blocking, on the other hand, was quite good. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 12, 2005, 12:13:33 PM
TLU was just as tough as I expected..... mucho quicks!  If/when Salinas gets comfortable behind that big line and mixes the pass with the run effectively, they should be a factor in the ASC race.  Bonzo was correct in his assessment of Jake.... his receivers dropped some well thrown balls, but also credit TLU pass coverage as more than a few of his attempts were broken up by outstanding defense.  I think the lengthy lightening delay disrupted the flow of the game more for TLU than for TU.  An unforeseen homefield advantage is the home/vistitor locker rooms in a situation like that.  Under most conditions there would be only a squad of 50-55 travelling to EM Stevens to play TU, but because TLU is only 30-45 minutes away, they brought everybody and those poor locker room conditions must have been unbearable.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RFB on September 12, 2005, 02:48:53 PM
Redlands fan here, looking forward to an exciting game this weekend when Trinity makes it out to Southern California. Any Trinity fans making the trip West?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 12, 2005, 03:14:59 PM
Just got it straight from the NCAA...Concordia-Selma will be a countable game for Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 12, 2005, 03:22:55 PM
Good news for the Majors, I am sure they will be ready to hit someone who is not wearing a purple or white unifrom come Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 12, 2005, 10:40:45 PM
Bonzo, regarding the Tom Mueller quote:
"All we can worry about is the things we control."

Is there an implication here that Trinity in some way controls calls made by game officials at E. M. Stevens?  Especially like the interception REVERSAL the Tigers were hit with; three officials saw it as an interception, after a lengthy discussion one did not thus the correct call IMHO (I was seated directly in front of it) was over-turned? This call had the potential of turning the game around for TLU?

Also, speaking of things that Mueller and TLU does control; what was with their decision to TAKE virtually no wind (possibly 10 mph) at the opening kickoff and give the Tiger O the ball at both the start of the FIRST and THIRD quarters? Were the officials in some way involved with this decision? THANK YOU.

Bottom line, this past Saturday it was dropped balls, dropped balls .... dropped balls.  ::)

Next Saturday, who really knows.  ???



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2005, 12:59:07 PM
Millsaps' game against Concordia-Selma has been moved up to 1 PM local time (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/gametimechange.shtml).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 13, 2005, 03:05:05 PM
Gotta jump in here on TLU and TU results & coach comments:

If all an experienced coach like Mueller can do is whine about supposed favoritism and bad calls by the refs, his team has no chance to advance this year or ever.  What a bunch of cr*p.  I'm embarrassed for him and TLU.  My hope is that the Seguin newspaper reporter led him down that line of commentary ... next time, I suggest he avoid that subject entirely.  Sounds immature and "excuse-like".   :'(

Was very impressed with the size of TLU O-line and the talent of Mr. Salinas.  If he keeps a clear head, they will be a force in the ASC this season.  Haven't seen UMH-B or H-S, but it's hard to imagine they're bigger nor have a better QB.

As far as the TU Tigers, they will absolutely have to establish the run (and the O-line blocking to enable it), or they will struggle this season.  They have talented, experienced, fast RB's who are getting hammered before they can take two steps ... usually in the backfield.  C'mon Tiger OL ... git r done.  Once the running game opens up, the receivers will not be blanketed ... gotta keep those opposing DE's, DB's and LB's honest.

Best of luck to the Tigers in CA this week ... should be a tough test and help show them where they are before DePauw comes to town on the 24th.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2005, 06:53:13 PM
Trinity's Robert Kelner and David Morgan were named today to the D3football.com Team of the Week (http://www.d3football.com/tow/).  Congratulations!

WR Robert Kelner, Sr., Trinity (Texas)
Kelner made the most of his three catches in a 31-23 win against Texas Lutheran by scoring on two of them, and totaling a game-high 131 yards. Kelner's 75-yard TD reception early in the second quarter was a career-long for the third-year starter.

DL David Morgan, So., Trinity (Texas)
Morgan recorded three sacks among his four tackles for the day, as well as blocking the extra point following Texas Lutheran's first touchdown. Aside from the sacks, Morgan's other tackle was an assisted tackle at the 3-yard line that forced TLU to kick a field goal.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 13, 2005, 08:15:42 PM
There is no team, coach, cheerleader, etc. that does not frequently suffer from bad calls, or calls that they believe are bad.  The fact of the matter is that teams have to overcome bad calls.  Every team should be prepared to convert a third and 23 or respond to a score.  To blame officials is to point the finger, and there truly is no use in doing that.  It doesn't win you games.  All it does is constitute your reputation. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2005, 12:24:52 PM
For Trinity fans who may not have heard:  Jerheme Urban ('02) was cut for the second straight year by the Seahawks yesterday.  His practice squad eligibility with the 'hawks is used up, so it's the end of a career unless he lands with another team.  Some more details over on the D3s in the Pros (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3584.msg365705#msg365705) board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 15, 2005, 11:48:53 AM
Here is an article about Millsaps from the Jackson Clarion-Ledger's piece on college football 2005.

http://www.print2webcorp.com/news/Jackson/CollegeFootball/20050828/p39.asp?st=p39_s1.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 16, 2005, 11:30:38 AM
Set up a pick'em for the SCAC on the General board (with all other pick'ems).  Have at it if you wish.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 16, 2005, 12:15:40 PM
I'm on it!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 17, 2005, 05:32:31 PM
Millsaps escaped a fast and furious Concordia College-Selma team this afternoon by the score of 24-23.  Concordia missed an extra point that would have tied the game with just two minutes to play. 

Concordia, a first year team, had over 80 guys dressed out.  They were fast, big, and strong.  They were organized, had a great defense, and a couple of outstanding receivers. 

I'll have to report on stats later when I can get a copy.....but Millsaps jumped on top 7-0 early in the first quarter on a long run by Eric Lorino.  Lorino, who had two long TD runs, played the majority of the ballgame after All-SCAC pick Tyson Roy was injured in the 2nd quarter. 

Concordia answered with a TD after they recovered a botched snap on a Millsaps field goal attempt.  The score was knotted at 7 at halftime.

Millsaps then went ahead 17-7 in the third quarter on a Lorino TD run and a D.J. Mello field goal.  Concordia then hit a field goal to pull wintin 7 (17-10).  Millsaps then scored on a 60 or so yard TD pass from Raymece Savage to Freshman WR Matt Foisy to go up 24-10. 

Then things got interesting.  Concordia was unable to move the ball at all against the Majors defense until the fourth quarter.  Then, they unleashed their fury.  Running, passing all over the place.  With about 7 minutes to go, Concordia connected on the first of two Hail Mary touchdowns.  The first one was on 4th down and 20.  The second on 3rd or 4th and very long.....both from in their own territory.  The Millsaps secondary had been flawless until that point with several pass breakups and one interception. 

Luckily for Millsaps the Concordia extra point on the second Hail Mary was missed......if there had been a tie, Concordia would have had every ounce of momentum !!!

In the end, a win is a win is a win!
More later.......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2005, 06:13:48 PM
Centre 31 Rhodes 27, from the CC web site.

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/football_index.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 17, 2005, 07:56:53 PM
Any last minute predictions out west?

I say Trinity 41 - Redlands 31
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 18, 2005, 12:52:58 AM
Here is a link to some photos from the Millsaps v. Concordia game on Saturday.

http://photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/Football_2005/

Visit the site....click on Concordia......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 18, 2005, 01:10:47 AM
Trinity came back with 1:20 left to edge Redlands 28-25... whew... 3-0!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 18, 2005, 01:23:27 AM
Whoo!  Those Tigers are good even when they're bad.  I mean Trinity.  Interception with 12 seconds to play 90 seconds after taking the lead back.  Golly moses they need to play better next week.  They might be done blowing everyone out for awhile, but DePauw, you know they're going to make the plays when they count.  That's already in your heads.  

Next week-  DePauw 5, Trinity 6
Right after a snap goes over the head of Jacob Cannon and results in a safety with 49 seconds to play giving Depauw a 5-0 lead, Trinity recovers it's own free kick at the DePauw thirty yard line.  Cannon gets sacked at the 29 two snaps later and then with the clock winding down, he calls the play at the line and hits Hicks down the middle at the back of the end zone as time expires.    

Man, it needs to get easier, but it sure doesn' t this week.  If only we could run the ball...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2005, 10:43:59 AM
Well, unlike two years ago it's a "W" from Cali rather than a loss.  TU did have nearly 200 yards on the ground, so it looks like things may be headed in the right direction.  DePauw cleaned Hope's clocks (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/index.asp?id=16278) in Michigan yesterday so the guys need to be ready ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 19, 2005, 05:20:57 PM
Bonzo... I can't buy the head-over-heart stuff.  I can't believe you picked DePauw over TU....  are you starting to believe what you write?  I'm predicting a solid win by TU over DPU.  We'll see if they drop us in the polls at 4-0.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2005, 07:21:11 PM
The Trinity offense has yet to play a complete game.  If it does, they should win.  But if it doesn't ... and it sounded like it was pretty danged ragged for the better part of two quarters on Saturday - then they won't.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 19, 2005, 08:36:17 PM
Historymajor,
The "poll" still has Trinity at 2-0? I guess they don't count 4th quarter come-backs? I sure do; that drive was a thing of beauty. Hopefully THE DRIVE will motivate the Tiger O on to a really great season; the BLACK FLAG also does appear to be back.

This past Saturday, the Tigers for two and a half quarters...zzz...zzz...zzz.   :o

Next Saturday, the Tigers get a "complete" game; who really knows?  ???

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 19, 2005, 10:29:04 PM
no one posts on this site, saw Depauw on sat...very creative offense...solid defense...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2005, 03:08:45 AM
ETG, I knew I could count on you to be a smart-ass about a typo.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 20, 2005, 08:15:15 PM
El Tea Gray.... my isn't someone sensitive about someone's typing skills? 
I was proud to see that the Tiger's had enough gas in their tank to come back and then hold off a talented Redland's team.  When I travel to the left coast it sometimes takes me two or three days to get used to it.
Anyway, I think the TU Tigers are due for a statement game.  As the Black-Flag continues to improve, it's about time for the "O" to get offensive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 20, 2005, 08:32:19 PM
Bonzo,
You are correct,  the Trinity vs. DePauw game "happens is set" for Saturday. If the teams play Saturday (Rita?), Sunday or even Monday (at Alamo Stadium) it is still going to "happen" all over DePauw.   ???

Pat,
What can I say, you were right again.   Oh, the karma.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 21, 2005, 12:23:37 AM
Hi all,

Long time observer, first time poster.  Couple of things I wanted to put out there:

1.  WGRE will be at DPU/Trinity game, and our broadcast will start at 6 pm on Saturday night, or 90 minutes before the game, whatever day or time it takes place.  I pledge a moderately unbiased broadcast with only occasional homering.  The webcast can be accessed from www.wgre.org (http://www.wgre.org) or at www.depauw.edu/ath (http://www.depauw.edu/ath).

2.  It seems that not a lot of people on this board have had a chance to see DePauw play.  Here's a few observations for you Trinity folks to get a little more familiar with the team you'll see this weekend.

The new offense looks very sharp.  I've been very impressed with the progess of Ross Wiethoff's throwing arm.  He has looked great on just about every throw at short, medium, or long yardage.  The running game has looked solid as well.  Jeremiah Marks has been over 100 both games, and Wiethoff has been, well, Wiethoff.  Since halftime of the Wesley game, the DPU offense has been the best I've seen in my 4 or so years following the team.

I like what I've seen from the defense.  The new scheme really had Hope's QB Joe Schwander fooled.  He was 9-38 on Saturday, and threw a couple of TD's against the 2nd team. 

Coach Rogers was the first to admit that team wasn't ready to play in the first half of the Wesley game.  But since then, the Tigers have outscored the oppostion by a 57-19 count.  There have been some mistakes, a few too many fumbles, and Hope had a pretty good day returning kicks and blocked a punt.  I think it's going to be a pretty close game.  I really don't think either team is going to be able to roll, unless Trinity has an effort like the one they put out in the Austin game, or DePauw has a Wesley-first half relapse.  I think if the game does get played in the rain, DePauw's going to run often and run well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2005, 12:59:26 AM
DPU_Radio_guy, I want to congratulate you on the quality of your broadcasts. (I am assuming that you are the guy to whom I have listened broadcast DPU football and hoops these last few years.)  You are in my top 10 of national broadcasters!

Good luck, and I hope you have lots of bandwidth for those of us who will be listening! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 21, 2005, 10:16:34 AM
etg, where is the game going to be played?  I remember going to Trinity games at Alamo Stadium against such teams as Richmond and UTEP.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2005, 11:17:10 AM
There are five regional SCAC games which could be impacted by Rita, should she continue on-course and on-schedule.  I am contacting the SIDs at the respective schools and hope to have some information about preliminary weather planning in the next day or two.

- McMurry at Texas Lutheran
- DePauw at Trinity
- UMHB at Louisiana College
- ETBU at Austin College
- Sul Ross at HPU (on the western edge which is normally dry, but should the storm go west of current projections Brownwood could also be impacted)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 21, 2005, 04:01:16 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on September 21, 2005, 10:16:34 AM
etg, where is the game going to be played?  I remember going to Trinity games at Alamo Stadium against such teams as Richmond and UTEP.

The TU-Depaw game was going to be played at E.M. Stevens Field, but with the threat of Rita, I have no earthly idea.  The game might be moved to Sunday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 21, 2005, 06:38:56 PM
The TU SID today said that contingency plans were actively being discussed with the SCAC and DPU.  One previously unmentioned possibility was the AlamoDome...  wouldn't that be awesome?  Bonzo couldn't complain about the press box!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 21, 2005, 07:55:28 PM
Bill McCabe,
The Trinity vs. DePauw game site is still somewhat undecided? Every intention is to get it in at E. M. Stevens; however if the natural grass there gets too water-logged then Alamo Stadium (immediate to the Trinity campus) or the Alamodome (downtown San Antonio) would be excellent synthetic turf fall-backs.  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 22, 2005, 12:14:26 AM
I'm sure Wiethoff would be more than happy to play on turf.  He's plenty elusive on grass.

So is this pretty much the conference championship game?  Quite a bit for the Dannies to deal with between uncertain weather (and apparently playing location) and a monster road trip.  Still, it should be an excellent game.  At least one thing is for certain...the Tigers will win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 22, 2005, 01:11:07 AM
Quote from: historymajor on September 21, 2005, 06:38:56 PM
The TU SID today said that contingency plans were actively being discussed with the SCAC and DPU.  One previously unmentioned possibility was the AlamoDome...  wouldn't that be awesome?  Bonzo couldn't complain about the press box!

The Dome?  How the heck are we supposed to move the camera lift THERE?!?  ???  ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2005, 09:02:24 AM
The projected storm track has moved considerably east overnight.  TU and DU may be able to get the game in as scheduled.

Is this the conference championship game?  Centre would beg to differ; they are 3-0 and have already defeated Rhodes.  The winner of this game needs to defeat Centre (and everyone else).   There were co-champions in '03 (TU/Centre) and '96 (TU/Millsaps), tri-champs in '00 (TU/DU/Sewanee) and '95 (TU/Centre/Rhodes) because Team A would beat Team B and lose to Team C.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 22, 2005, 02:30:34 PM
As it turns out, the only game cancelled here at TU was a women's soccer game.  It's looking like everything else will happen on schedule here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 22, 2005, 05:18:29 PM
The DePauw/Trinity game has been cancelled...no make-up date has been scheduled at this point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 22, 2005, 05:49:32 PM
Guess I spoke to soon, huh?  :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 22, 2005, 06:02:48 PM
Hmmm... interesting, if not impossible scheduling dilemna ensues....
Now Bonzo can go crazy speculating playoff implications if TU and DPU end up tied atop the SCAC without playing the game.... Or Centre beats both and earns it alone....
That's why I love this game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 22, 2005, 08:23:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 22, 2005, 09:02:24 AM
Is this the conference championship game?  Centre would beg to differ; they are 3-0 and have already defeated Rhodes.  The winner of this game needs to defeat Centre (and everyone else).   There were co-champions in '03 (TU/Centre) and '96 (TU/Millsaps), tri-champs in '00 (TU/DU/Sewanee) and '95 (TU/Centre/Rhodes) because Team A would beat Team B and lose to Team C.

Oh, the same Centre that beat mighty Kenyon by 11 and Bluffton by 7?  Thank you - you answered my question. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 22, 2005, 10:15:02 PM
Is this a strategic gamble?  Could DePauw be thinking that taking a pass now, could be better than taking a loss????
Inquiring minds want to know....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2005, 10:48:36 PM
Taking a gamble with the safety of the traveling party?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on September 22, 2005, 11:03:15 PM
Ron lets not forget that Centre was an '03 co-champ with a Trinity team that beat them by 50 some points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 12:19:07 AM
Glad it seems to be open season on me today.  Go ahead, work those frustrations out.   :o   ;D

I don't get the DePauw decision.  I guess if they had a return flight via Dallas on Sunday (or even worse, Continental through Houston), it might make sense from that perspective.  Indications now are that Rita goes east, D/FW is hardly impacted, but better safe than sorry.  I guess.  It does throw a monkey wrench into the conference championship.   Teams will be looking at those secondary criteria and there will be no mercy shown.  If point differential is one of the tie-breakers then there will be lots of first teamers staying in games. 

DPU and TU do not have a common open date.   Centre has Nov 5 open, Trinity Oct 15th, DePauw none.  So we have to free up DePauw and get them an opening where they could play Trinity.  One possibility:
Can anyone do better?  Going to be a fairly expensive proposition to do this (changing travel plans), but it works without having to break any contracts with non-SCAC teams.

Yes, I am aware that Centre has looked unimpressive in two of their three wins (and that they got clobbered in '03 when they were "co-champs").  They are hardly the only 3-0 SCAC team to look unimpressive in (at least) two of three wins.   There have certainly been times that TU has lost to "lesser" teams in past years (e.g. every year they have shared a conference championship, including '03).   

On another note, Trinity today announced their $200M "Campaign for Trinity University" (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/development/campaign/index.html).  $5M is earmarked for "Athletic and Recreational Facilities."  Given that most everything else is already top notch, I imagine a good portion of the $5M will go to refurbishing EM Stevens Field.   There are no details (yet) breaking down the amount. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 23, 2005, 09:30:52 AM
Much as I loathe and despise DePauw, I cannot fault them for not wanting to travel into that mess.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 09:57:24 AM
Quote from: smedindy on September 23, 2005, 09:30:52 AM
Much as I loathe and despise DePauw, I cannot fault them for not wanting to travel into that mess.

Two points.  If they had to travel through Houston, then you are absolutely correct.  We don't even know if the airports there will be open Sunday.

If not:  Rita has slowed down overnight and the track is forecast to go even further east (http://www.wunderground.com/tropical/tracking/at200518.html).   SAT will now be dry all weekend; DFW has but a 20% chance of rain on Sunday.  That's it.  Had they been able to wait until today (yes, that is easier said than done) DU may have been able to make a different decision. 

Forecasts can change, however, and there are things in life more important than football.  After all, this *is* Division III.  ;) Hopefully the league and schools can rework the schedule so this game can be made up.  It does make for a heck of a column lead next week.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 10:49:01 AM
I'm sure it was getting to a time when a decision had to be made and one was made.  I am disappointed that DPU possibly will not be playing Trinity.

Here are the travel plans I found on DePauw's Football page:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2005/schedule.asp#travel

Trinity       September 23-25: The Tigers depart Indianapolis International Airport at 11:15 a.m. on Friday aboard Northwest #1875 and arrive in San Antonio at 3:21 p.m. aboard Northwest #1094 from Memphis. The team leaves San Antonio on Sunday at 7:45 a.m. and arrive in Indianapolis at 2:35 p.m. aboard Northwest #494 from Memphis. Lodging on Friday and Saturday evenings is at the Holiday Inn and Suites; 3855 IH 35 N. (210) 226-4361.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 10:55:28 AM
Thanks, gil68.  Definitely the right call, and I freely admit to being in the wrong in questioning the decision.   Flying out of Memphis changes the whole equation. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 11:07:54 AM
So what is the tiebreaker should Depauw and Trinity end up tied without having played?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 11:21:07 AM
Actually, I found some tiebreaker material, which is below, on the SCAC website. It doesn't seem to address this exact situation, but it talks about fewest losses. Hmm....

I. Conference Championship and Regular-Season Contest Regulations
1. The conference champion in football shall be determined by a single round-robin. The team with the best winning percentage against conference teams will be declared the conference champion. The conference champion receives an automatic bid to the NCAA championship.
2. In the case of two or more teams tying for the conference championship, each team will be declared a co-champion and receive a trophy. To determine the representative to NCAA postseason competition and the recipient of the conference's automatic bid, the following criteria will be used as a tie-breaker:
A. Two teams – head-to-head result from conference game played.
B. Three teams – Using the following point system:
• Each team will be awarded two points for each victory against other conference co-champions.
• Each team is awarded one point for each victory over other conference teams not sharing the championship.
• In the event that both parts of Section B are applied and two teams are still tied, the formula will revert back to Section A.
C. If Sections A and B cannot break the tie and there are still three teams tied, then the team or teams with the fewest losses will be declared as the recipient of the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams have the equal number of losses, Section A is applied.
D. If there are still three teams tied with the same number of losses, then the percentage of each team's opponents' total overall record will be used. The team whose opponents have the higher win/loss percentage will receive the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams remain throughout any of these tie-breaking procedures, Section A is applied.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 11:34:53 AM
Here's the rub, IF the game is NOT made up:

The team with the best winning percentage against conference teams will be declared the conference champion

If DU/TU end up tied and undefeated, nothing in this paragraph addresses the situation; A. does not apply because they will not have played. B/C/D talk about >2 teams and do not apply.

If multiple teams have one loss,  Centre/Millsaps/RHIT would have a leg up because they would play one more game.  Let's pretend that, say, Millsaps and DU or TU both end up at the top of the standings with one loss in conference play.  Normally the winner of the conference would be the winner of the head-to-head matchup between the two.  If DU-TU is not made up, Millsaps would declared be the winner due to their better winning percentage (5-1 vs. 4-1) ... even though DU-TU would have defeated Millsaps in head to head play and both teams had but one loss. 

I have an inquiry in to the SCAC office and hope to have something to report in next week's ATR.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wuapefkcud on September 23, 2005, 12:49:42 PM
Quote from: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 10:49:01 AM
I'm sure it was getting to a time when a decision had to be made and one was made.  I am disappointed that DPU possibly will not be playing Trinity.

Here are the travel plans I found on DePauw's Football page:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2005/schedule.asp#travel

Trinity       September 23-25: The Tigers depart Indianapolis International Airport at 11:15 a.m. on Friday aboard Northwest #1875 and arrive in San Antonio at 3:21 p.m. aboard Northwest #1094 from Memphis. The team leaves San Antonio on Sunday at 7:45 a.m. and arrive in Indianapolis at 2:35 p.m. aboard Northwest #494 from Memphis. Lodging on Friday and Saturday evenings is at the Holiday Inn and Suites; 3855 IH 35 N. (210) 226-4361.

according to that link the site says Minnesota... so no they wouldnt be going through Memphis on the way home.

      September 23-25: The Tigers depart Indianapolis International Airport at 11:15 a.m. on Friday aboard Northwest #1875 and arrive in San Antonio at 3:21 p.m. aboard Northwest #1094 from Memphis. The team leaves San Antonio on Sunday at 7:45 a.m. and arrive in Indianapolis at 2:35 p.m. aboard Northwest #494 from Minneapolis. Lodging on Friday and Saturday evenings is at the Holiday Inn and Suites; 3855 IH 35 N. (210) 226-4361.

Why did you feel the need to copy the website and then change the most important part of the text???

DePauw could have flown in to San Antonio today unharmed, and returned through Minneapolis without any problems.  If forecasts are correct, San Antonio may not get any rain this weekend.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 01:06:13 PM
There's an article on ESPN.com about how Tennessee's AD was prepared to take a forfeit in their game against LSU if the SEC wouldn't postpone it. I wonder if Depauw was willing to do the same. Not that they should have. I'm just curious.

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2170163
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 01:14:14 PM
The NCAA doesn't recognize forfeits for failure to appear for a game. It is a no-contest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 01:39:56 PM
What would I possibly have to gain by changing the information that I cut and pasted? I have no way to prove it because the info is no longer on the site >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 02:12:05 PM
This is what the cached version of the page from Google says:

September 23-25: The Tigers depart Indianapolis International Airport at 11:15 a.m. on Friday aboard Northwest #1875 and arrive in San Antonio at 3:21 p.m. aboard Northwest #1094 from Memphis. The team leaves San Antonio on Sunday at 7:45 a.m. and arrive in Indianapolis at 2:35 p.m. aboard Northwest #494 from Memphis. Lodging on Friday and Saturday evenings is at the Holiday Inn and Suites; 3855 IH 35 N. (210) 226-4361.

"This is G o o g l e's cache of http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2005/schedule.asp as retrieved on Sep 22, 2005 07:54:58 GMT."

(I believe that's 03:54:58 EDT.)

If I'm not mistaken, I believe that supports gil68's version.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 02:15:38 PM
Thank you for the back up Pat!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 02:34:32 PM
No problem.

And to be honest, does it particularly matter which Northwest hub they go through?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on September 23, 2005, 02:39:24 PM
Well, yes, because Memphis might well be affected by Rita come Sunday, whereas Minneapolis will not.

Coincidentally, I'm leaving in a few minutes for the airport.  Destination Memphis.  Hotty totty, etc.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 02:59:11 PM
And at the point the decision had to be made? Wasn't Texas in the picture?

Call me crazy, but if I'm an administrator I am not sending a 60-person traveling party potentially into harm's way for a football game. Just doesn't make sense. It's one thing if they're driving and can turn around if conditions warrant, but when you're going by air, you're committed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wuapefkcud on September 23, 2005, 03:16:01 PM
Quote from: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 01:39:56 PM
What would I possibly have to gain by changing the information that I cut and pasted? I have no way to prove it because the info is no longer on the site >:(

Sorry, I just figured that their website would know what it was supposed to be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 03:21:18 PM
I wonder what other options were explored here...moving the game to a neutral, weather-friendly site?  Moving the game to Greendingle?  It seems to me that it should be a priority to make sure the game between the conference's two best teams be played some how, some way.  I don't at all fault Depauw for not playing in SA on Saturday, but I think it stinks that the game won't be played.  

I would love to see Depauw and Wabash possibly meet in the playoffs...I know, a lot of things would have to happen for that to occur, but step one is getting both teams in the playoffs.  I think this is probably the best chance for that to happen since Depauw fled the ICAC.  Of course, I also want Depauw to earn their way in...which means they'd have to beat Trinity.  

Now, if I'm reading the tiebreak rules properly, it doesn't look like the SCAC has a method of determining a playoff representative when two teams are tied and there is no head-to-head result.  But there is a stipulation that allows for them to use the overall records to eliminate a team from a three or more way tie.  Doesn't it make the most sense here to just apply section C to the two-way tie?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 03:29:16 PM
I agree that the solution that makes the most sense from a weather standpoint is reversing home field and playing the game at DePauw. I'm sure, however, that that wasn't even possible logistically or financially.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 23, 2005, 03:46:47 PM
Could you imagine playing for the Bell, then on Selection Sunday the NCAA schedules Wabash and DePauw as a first round game. And you know the NCAA would do something wacky like that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 03:51:01 PM
Actually, yeah, they would. :)

The NCAA has shown no hesitation to schedule a rematch of regular-season non-conference opponents. However, those were early-season games, like most non-conference matchups.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 03:51:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 03:29:16 PM
I agree that the solution that makes the most sense from a weather standpoint is reversing home field and playing the game at DePauw. I'm sure, however, that that wasn't even possible logistically or financially.

IMO the danger involved here was in the travel, not in playing the game.  By the time the game was called off, it was pretty obvious there wasn't going to be any weather in SA on Saturday.  If it was unsafe for DU to fly to SA and back, the opposite is equally true.   And the cost would be horrendous - requiring a decent chunk of the $80M TU has already raised towards their $200M goal.   :o  Same thing for trying to find a safe neutral site.  Colorado College?  Abilene?? Eeek ...

The conference fathers (and mothers) are considering their options.  It is possible to rework the schedule, though it would help if a rich SCAC grad (there has to be one somewhere who played sports and made a killing in the market) would come forth to pick up the tab on travel costs.   Not to say the conf IS doing that, just one of the options being considered with all the rest. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 03:58:09 PM
I wouldn't think money would be an issue in moving the game to Greencastle.  Both DPU and and TU are fairly affluent institutions and I think they could justify spending a little extra money given the circumstance.  Logistically it would be tough...but then again, if you've got the money you can make pretty much anything happen.  

smeds, I remember in 2002 there was some chatter about how Wabash would come out in the first round of the playoffs after the Bell game...there was some concern that there would be a let down of sorts.  Fortunately there wasn't...but if they did schedule a Wabash-Depauw first round game, you probably wouldn't have to worry about any let downs!  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 04:04:47 PM
A little extra money? I guess Wabash doesn't fly much. You must have no idea of the logistics of flying and housing 60-70 people at the last minute.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 04:06:28 PM
What would be the worst side effect would be the possiblity that the team that won the playoff game would not be the one that goes home with the Bell. How odd would that be?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 04:20:28 PM
A source from DePauw that I have heard from said that the game between DePauw and Trinity most likely will not be played.  Also, a scheduling change this year for DePauw put the Rhodes game on October 15th (a date Trinity has open) instead of being at the beginning of the year.  This week has previously been DePauw's bye week for a few years before this one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 04:24:06 PM
Wabash doesn't fly much, no.  In fact, I can't think of the last time Wabash would have had to fly for a game....most likely would have been for the Stagg Bowl in 1977 (played in Alabama I believe).  I'm sure it costs a small fortune to do what I'm suggesting, but both of these schools sit on enormous fortunes (endowments in or around the half billion dollar area).  The point being that money really isn't an object here...the flying would be tricky...the housing not so much.  Greencastle isn't exactly a hotbed of tourism. :)  

Do you think the playoff game would be a non-Bell affair?  I think the Bell should be at stake whenever the two teams square off.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 23, 2005, 04:40:27 PM
Wally,

I agree that any time DePauw and Wabash play the Bell should be at stake.
I was looking at DePauw's all time scores section on the football homepgae in the archives and saw that there was at least one season where DePauw and Wabash played more than one time in a year, but the example I found (1900) was pre-Bell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2005, 04:48:05 PM
so, would that make a potential 2005 playoff game the 113th Monon Bell Classic? If the Bell is at stake, then it should be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 06:58:11 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 04:24:06 PMThe point being that money really isn't an object here

I really think you have a misguided sense of reality on this (or none at all). The AD can't just walk into the president's office and ask for money like that. It just doesn't happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 23, 2005, 07:06:21 PM
Bonzo,
Yes, you are "still crazy after all these years"...but you are also still very analytical when it comes to scheduling! Your post #1977 (or something like it) is right on target. Hopefully you can talk to/work with the SCAC office to help set up such a schedule rearrangement.  All airlines have been announcing that they would "work with" individuals to help with any grossly increased costs of tickets due to Rita. Maybe they would be willing to work with athletic teams as well (some teams can be very good customers).

Bonzo, if possible this would need to be done early next week as the first rearrangement would probably be required next weekend. This is a much better alternative than not playing the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 07:13:56 PM
And that's fair enough, Pat.  I have no idea how money works amongst the higher levels of wealthy academic institutions.  I do know that both of these schools are sitting on hundreds of millions of dollars...how accessible that money is is beyond me.

Maybe they could pass a hat around at the game to help offset the cost.  :) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 08:49:02 PM
Quote from: etg on September 23, 2005, 07:06:21 PM
[...] Hopefully you can talk to/work with the SCAC office to help set up such a schedule rearrangement. 

The SCAC office has acknowledged that as one of a number of possibilities they are considering.  Timing makes it difficult, as is having to change all those schools' travel schedules on such short notice (and getting everyone involved to buy off on it).

That said, anyone thinking I have pull with any conference office is sadly mistaken.   :D   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 23, 2005, 09:13:06 PM
Bonzo... what about next weekend... Trinity is travelling to Indiana anyway to play RHIT, and Chicago is coming to Indiana to play DPU....  Switch the opponents and have Chicago play RHIT and TU play DPU.  Since RHIT is a lame duck anyway, it makes sense to 'short' them a game.  I'm not sure that it's at all fair to TU to 'give' DPU an at home shot at TU,,,, but these two teams game-planned all this week in anticipation of playing tomorrow, another week of Scout Team Defense would make for a fitting mano a mano test.... albeit on the road.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2005, 09:45:21 PM
That's an interesting scenario. Of course, Chicago is under no obligation to help the SCAC but I suppose they should be approached.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 23, 2005, 10:48:56 PM
After thinking about it some more... maybe Northwest Airlines would agree to reschedule DePauw's flights to next week and the game could be in San Antone as originally planned.... coincidentally, Trinity is scheduled to fly to IND on NWA next Friday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2005, 11:52:15 PM
Interesting idea, historymajor, but I don't think the SCAC fixes the DU/TU problem by shorting another conference member a game.  What happens if RHIT should finish undefeated because they didn't have to play TU? They are still a full-fledged conference member and deserve to be treated accordingly.  I really don't like the idea of Trinity having to give up a home game for the key game of the year. 

OK, RHIT winning out is unlikely, but any potential solution shouldn't in and of itself lead to more possible problems. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2005, 12:12:27 AM
Chicago (and the rest of the UAA) has been bailed out by the NCAC for the foreseeable future...I think it's only fair that they make a sacrifice for the greater good of D-III football.  I like the idea.  It's not like UofC is getting shorted a game and it's actually a better game for them in terms of competition (and for RHIT for that matter).  I think it makes sense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 12:20:53 AM
I like historymajor's idea.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 24, 2005, 01:04:01 AM
Wally -

Drawing money out of an endowment isn't as easy as writing a check. Many schools can only draw so much out of the endowment during a fiscal year based on resolutions passed by the Trustees. So while, yes, there's piles of money in an endowment not all of it is able to be spent at one time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 03:06:04 PM
Early in the 2nd half, 14-7 Centre.  Centre inside the W&L 30 with about 11 minutes to play in the 3rd.  Then I had to take care of some errands.  Centre scored to make it 21-7.  Next series, Generals connect on a 68-yd TD pass to get back to within a TD, 21-14.

Colonels already in the red zone on next drive.   7:47 remaining, short TD pass by Centre, 28-14 Centre.

Rose-Hulman is all over Oberlin, 28-0 with 10:54 left in the first half.

W&L returns the next kickoff 78 yards for a TD, so now it's 28-20 Centre 7:33 remaining in third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 03:45:47 PM
RHIT 35-7 at the half, rolling up 319 yards.

Centre 35-20 early in the 4th, W&L driving and in Colonel territory.  W&L drives to the 1 but Centre's defense holds on fourth down. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on September 24, 2005, 05:12:33 PM
  Thanks from an ODAC fan.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 06:26:20 PM
Rose-Hulman 45, Oberlin 13, final.  Charlie Key scored five touchdowns for the Fightin' Engineers (3-1).

Centre 35, Washington & Lee 26, final.  Adam Blandford had 96 yards rushing to help the Colonels (4-0) stay undefeated and deal the Generals (2-1) their first loss.    W&L's Greg Tweardy completed 24-of-38 passes for 310 yards. 

Sewanee 33, Maryville (TN) 14, final - Wes Satterfield returned from a pre-season injury to lead the Tigers (1-3) to their first win of the season.   Satterfield ran for 156 yards and two scores, and passed for an additional 135.  Blake Mears added 132 yards on 19 carries. 

Huntingdon 16, Rhodes 12, final - Hodge Patterson scored on a 42-yard interception return late in the first half to put the Hawks (3-0) in front for good.    Huntingdon won despite being held to seven first downs and being outgained 418-156.   No fewer than four Lynx (2-2) drives into Hawks territory ended on downs.   That, combined with three Justin Sealand interceptions, was enough to sink the Lynx.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jeremybozz on September 24, 2005, 06:42:22 PM
Thanks for the good job posting the scores and game summaries.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 07:18:40 PM
You're welcome.     :D

Belhaven takes a 7-0 lead on Millsaps with 7:47 left in the opening quarter.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2005, 08:18:58 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/metro/stories/MYSA092405.sabush.EN.8c4cd808.html

Hmmmm...San Antonio is safe enough for the President of the United States to stop by today, but not safe enough for Depauw's football team.  I'm trying to figure out how that makes sense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 08:33:05 PM
 >:( Don't be tacky.  The President got to make his decision today, DU had to make the call on Thursday.  The President also didn't have to fly over Rita to get to SA.

13:42 left in third quarter, Belhaven 16, Millsaps 7 after Millsaps blocks a Belhaven punt and recovers it in the end zone. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 08:37:14 PM
I think it's funny. Lighten up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 24, 2005, 08:43:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 24, 2005, 06:26:20 PM


Huntingdon 16, Rhodes 12, final - Hodge Patterson scored on a 42-yard interception return late in the first half to put the Hawks (3-0) in front for good.    Huntingdon won despite being held to seven first downs and being outgained 418-156.   No fewer than four Lynx (2-2) drives into Hawks territory ended on downs.   That, combined with three Justin Sealand interceptions, was enough to sink the Lynx.

Pretty much the complete opposite of last week's game where our offense was able to do pretty much what it wanted and held the ball most of the day. Today HC's offense was never able to do anything and the defense was on the field all day it seemed. Even though they gave up a lot of yards it is good to see them be able to get the stops when they needed to, especially at the goal line in the fourth quarter. Good to be 3-0 and looking forward to a couple more tough games the next two weeks to see just how good we really are.
On another note, you will very rarely hear me talk badly about a game's officials but I have to wonder exactly where the ones for today's game came from and wonder if they have ever seen an option play. There were two times today(once for each team) where the pitch on the option play was fumbled and they ended up ruling them as incomplete passes. In all my years of playing and watching football I have never seen a fumbled pitch on an option called an incomplete pass. Just seemed really odd to see it twice in one game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2005, 08:49:25 PM
8:18 3rd - Millsaps misses a 32 yd FGA, now trail Belhaven 23-7.  That was the Majors' first trip to the red zone today ... 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2005, 08:53:33 PM
Ron, unfortunately that's par for the course from Wally, I fear.

I'm sure that if DePauw were flying at the taxpayer's expense it would have gotten there too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 08:58:22 PM
 ???, Pat.

Gimme a break. Wally said yesterday that he didn't fault Depauw for cancelling the game. It was a joke on a rival. I can't believe you're making this big a deal about it. Christ, I'm sorry I ever mentioned to Wally that Bush was even here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2005, 09:01:04 PM
Most jokes have smilies ... and actually sound like jokes rather than griping.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 09:02:48 PM
Not entirely sure what dog Wally has in the SCAC hunt that would cause him to have a serious gripe. No one on here made a serious issue about DPU's decision. Even from the Wabash fans.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2005, 09:05:57 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 23, 2005, 03:21:18 PM
I don't at all fault Depauw for not playing in SA on Saturday, but I think it stinks that the game won't be played.  

Yikes....I've drawn the ire.  As you can see, I'm on record as saying Depauw wasn't wrong in playing today.  The previous post was done in the spirit of rival-ribbing...I should have smileyed.  With 37 different smileys to choose from, I panicked and forgot to choose any of them.  :)  

I'll keep future Depauw humor as Dan Quayle-centric as I can.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2005, 09:11:11 PM
Well, they are both Republicans.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 24, 2005, 11:41:14 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 24, 2005, 09:05:57 PM
With 37 different smileys to choose from, I panicked and forgot to choose any of them.

Now THAT'S funny. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 25, 2005, 05:55:27 PM
Pat, et. al. -

I got teh funny....just was a biting comment on two fronts. Rather much a joke liberal arts type people would do...heeee! ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 25, 2005, 08:55:49 PM
Bonzo/History/Pat,
Not suggesting that any of us has "any pull with any Conference office", but there are some solutions that do seem to have a lot going for them. It seems reasonable to want all the SCAC members to still play a full SCAC schedule, if possible? Bonzo's previous reschedule scenario would work, as well as possibly an easier one for the SCAC:

Sat. 10/1---DePauw/SCAC  asks Chicago to play Huntingdon
                  Millsaps/SCAC asks Huntingdon to play Chicago
                  If agreed, the Chicago vs. Huntingdon game "is" and the changed
                  games "were" Non-Conference for everyone.
                 

Sat. 10/1---DePauw at Trinity
                  Millsaps at Rose-Hulman
                  Two SCAC rescheduled games.

Sat. 10/15---Trinity at Rose-Hulman
                    Third SCAC rescheduled game.

IMHO it just seems to have the least "strain/pain" for the SCAC (3 games over 2 week-ends) and all of it's current members. A favor would be required from both Huntingdon and Chicago, but not so big a favor that it could not soon be repaid by SCAC members in future scheduling.
                   
P.S.---Bonzo, please re-check my scheduling , as far as I am concerned "you're still the man" on these matters.  :)
   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:03:21 AM
What happens if Trinity and DePauw can't reschedule and they win out in conference?  Is there a tie breaker in place?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 09:06:15 AM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:03:21 AM
What happens if Trinity and DePauw can't reschedule and they win out in conference?  Is there a tie breaker in place?

No.  The only existing guidelines for two teams specify head-to-head as the sole tie-breaker, thus the interest in getting the game rescheduled.  There are some tiebreaker rules which would work but as it stands now they are only to be used in case of a three-way tie. 

The conference will either figure a way to rework the schedule or will have to come out with a statement on how this scenario will be handled. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:07:56 AM
Ron,  What are the chances your scenario will be adopted?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 09:24:37 AM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:07:56 AM
Ron,  What are the chances your scenario will be adopted?

I imagine pretty slim.  Hard to make that magnitude of travel changes (not to imagine expensive) in such a short period of time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:27:34 AM
Any thoughts on how the conference will turn out?  Should Trinity and DePauw go undefeated?  Any potential for losses?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 26, 2005, 10:36:08 AM
Bedtime,

Where did they move the pick-ems page, I can't find it, been out of pocket since leaving town due to Rita last week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2005, 01:24:26 PM
Pick 'ems are a topic under General Football (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?board=1497.0).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2005, 12:51:20 AM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2005, 09:27:34 AM
Any thoughts on how the conference will turn out?  Should Trinity and DePauw go undefeated?  Any potential for losses?

I have a couple of paragraphs on this in this week's ATR - should be out noonish on Tuesday. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2005, 04:59:55 PM
Congrats to Sewanee's Wesley Satterfield, named SCAC Offensive POTW and to the D3football.com team of the week (http://www.d3football.com/tow/).  With Satterfield back at the helm, any resemblance between last week's Tiger squad and that of the first three weeks was stricktly coincidental.

Sewanee's George Twitty and Centre's Matt Johnson were the SCAC defensive co-POTWs (http://www.scac-online.org/potw_fall/week4.htm).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 27, 2005, 05:32:53 PM
Bedtime,

It appears the pick'em board is either missing or off-limits to me?  That is what the message said when I clicked your link
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2005, 12:21:37 AM
It's not "my" board, exmajor.  Just click on "Post Patterns," then "General Topics," then "Pick 'ems" and finally "SCAC."  Or you can try this link. (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3780.0)

Nobody has updated it since last week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2005, 12:57:58 AM
exmajor:

If you are logged in, you can get to that board. If you are not logged in, no dice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 28, 2005, 09:06:27 AM
Thanks Pat, I figured it out, sorry to bug you Bedtime, just asked because you are on the site way more than I am.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2005, 02:05:38 PM
Quote from: exmajor on September 28, 2005, 09:06:27 AM
Thanks Pat, I figured it out, sorry to bug you Bedtime, just asked because you are on the site way more than I am.

I resemble that implication  :D  no worries, mate!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2005, 02:32:31 PM
Word from the SCAC office is that last week's Depauw-Trinity game will NOT be rescheduled.  A new tiebreaking scheme is being created. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 28, 2005, 06:17:24 PM
DPU would rather BLOCK the reschedule issue and is INTERFERING with any attempt, HOPING that the tie-breaker will favor them. 
TU needs to go on the OFFENSE and win-out. 
That will decide who's the champ! 
Don't rely on your DEFENSE when you can beat them with your OFFENSE.
Go TU,,,,, put a spanking on RHIT this weekend!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 28, 2005, 08:32:20 PM
HM - Do you have proof that DPU is the obstructionist?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 29, 2005, 07:01:53 AM
No PROOF, just logic... TU tried to reschedule, the SCAC tried to reschedule,,,, no reschedule >>>> therefore DPU must be the answer....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 29, 2005, 07:50:09 AM
Or other teams that needed to cooperate would not cooperate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2005, 10:40:49 AM
Quote from: smedindy on September 29, 2005, 07:50:09 AM
Or other teams that needed to cooperate would not cooperate.

Sure, but that would be the normal response, not the "everyone's out to screw Trinity" response that historymajor and, more often, ETG are notorious for. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 29, 2005, 10:45:40 AM
Mind you, as a Wabash alum, it was quite difficult for me to type those two posts.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabco on September 29, 2005, 11:32:27 AM
Trinity

Understand the Dannies are ducking you.  Typical of their character.  They7 mwill, of course, have a miriad of DePauw-esk "reasons" to mask their desire not to (fear of?)play(ing) you.

Wabash has lived with the various manifestations of their character (or lack thereof) forever.  It is our destiny.  Now ... you better understand and are welcome to join our club.

   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 29, 2005, 11:52:00 AM
wabco,
Your aspersions are ridiculous.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on September 29, 2005, 05:02:45 PM
What's an aspersion?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 29, 2005, 05:17:52 PM
Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

One entry found for aspersion.
Main Entry: as·per·sion
Pronunciation: &-'sp&r-zh&n, -sh&n
Function: noun
1 : a sprinkling with water especially in religious ceremonies
2 a : the act of calumniating b : a calumnious expression <cast aspersions on her integrity>
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2005, 05:57:35 PM
The greatest probability among the numerous possibilities is that TU and DPU end up as co-champs.  The SCAC deliberates the issue of the tie-breaker until 11pm  on Saturday November 12th, when they award the AQ to an 7-2 overall/6-2 South Region/5-0 SCAC DPU, which is smarting from the loss of the Monon Bell to Wabash.  The alleged tie-breaker was a 2-headed coin flip in which DPU called "heads".  (The astute understanding of the nature of the Selection committee is instrumental in the SCAC maximizing the number of options.  The ASC uses a coin-flip for breaking 3-way ties.  The higher SAT scores touted by the SCAC are responsible for the brilliance of the using of the 2-headed coin. ;) )

Undefeated Trinity (9-0 overall/8-0 South Region/5-0 SCAC) gets a Pool C bid, hosts the one-loss ASC runner-up and gets their heads handed to them, again, (IMHO) ;D in the first round of the TEXAS Sub-Bracket!

DPU gets to go on the road to MSJ who soundly defeats them.

Ahh, the speculation of the playoffs!  It is autumn again! ;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 29, 2005, 06:19:27 PM
or Centre, Millsaps, even Rose-Hulman beats one or both of these teams and makes this discussion pointless.

I know it is not the case, but alot of this banter assumes that Trinity and Depauw will easily run through the rest of the SCAC competition.  History says they will, but the 2005 season is present day, anything could happen right?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 29, 2005, 07:35:48 PM
I love Ralph's scenario...especially the part about Depauw losing to Wabash.  That's the most sensible thing I've read in days.  :) 

But...how about this scenario...The logic behind giving AQs to conferences of 7 or more is that to win a conference wherein you have to play and be better than at least six teams is sufficient proof that you are playoff worthy.  Fewer than 7 teams, and there really isn't a sufficient sampling of conference play to deem anybody playoff worthy.  With that established...DPU and Trinity are not really playing in a 7-team conference this year because they've elected (rightly or wrongly...that's irrelevant now) to exclude one another.  So it's really as if DPU and Trinity are playing in a six-team conference.  I think it makes at least some sense to toss DPU and Trinity in with the Pool B folks if for no other reason than to avoid the nefarious "two-headed" coin scenario described by Ralph.  The SCAC doesn't have a tiebreaker for the undefeated co-champion scenario.  It seems unfair to the rest of the pool C folks to allow the SCAC to retroactively concoct a "tiebreaker" wherein they can give their auto bid to a two-loss Depauw team and have undefeated Trinity toss the dice with pool C, which wouldn't be much of a risk at all given the extra bids and Trinity's reputation. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 29, 2005, 08:32:56 PM
Just to keep Pat happy, try this:

If both sets of Tigers (Trinity and DePauw) should in any manner qualify for the Playoffs (again, who really knows), then IMHO DePauw should be required to play Trinity in the First Round, at Trinity (where this season's regular game was to be played) and DePauw (not the NCAA) required to pay for their own plane fare to San Antonio as they would have for last week's regular game.

Result, Trinity and DePauw will get to settle this issue on the field, as they should, and the NCAA saves a tidy sum of travel money. IMO Trinity would support this solution; per Wabco, DePauw probably would not (who really cares, DePauw could again choose to not show-up)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 29, 2005, 08:41:55 PM
My hunch is that if DPU and Wabash both make the playoffs - the NCAA will match 'em up. Just because.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2005, 09:10:22 PM
Smed, and do you move the DPU-Bash playoff game to a stadium that can hold 15,000 fans for that game? ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2005, 11:07:34 PM
I do remember that one of the criteria in the old Southwest Conference for assigning the Cotton Bowl bid was "which team had been away from the Cotton Bowl the longest".  I think that was how Texas Tech got a bid one year.

At the mythical November 12th midnight meeting of the conference kahunas, the conference could just realize that Trinity has a Pool C bid sewn up and that DePauw's record would not likely get a Pool C bid.

That is a no-brainer...Declare co-champions.  Give the "A" to DePauw because Trinity had been there the previous year, and the year before that, and the year before that,  and the .... oh well you know what I mean, and let TU get the Pool C bid.  As it appears now, geographic proximty would have TU hosting the ASC runner-up anyway.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2005, 12:00:42 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 29, 2005, 07:35:48 PM
DPU and Trinity are not really playing in a 7-team conference this year because they've elected (rightly or wrongly...that's irrelevant now) to exclude one another. 

(a) You can't hang this on Trinity.  They were ready to play against anyone who showed up that day.  The decision to cancel was made by TPTB at DU.
(b) It is the conference (of seven teams) that will decide who its representative will be, not the individual schools involved.

Guys, chill out.  The conference IS working on a new tiebreaker and with luck it will be out before the weekend. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 30, 2005, 12:11:21 AM
Ralph - they could have that game at the Dome and they may get a huge crowd if the price was right! The Bell game is pretty well hyped anyway, and a playoff game would be sheer madness.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2005, 12:29:21 AM
Smedindy, I believe that the playoffs are under the complete auspices of the NCAA as outlined in the Handbook, including starting times and admission prices.

At least we got a quick response from Bonzo! 8)

Or maybe it was he who took my karma point! :'(

Gee, and I thought the post analyzing some conspiracy theories in the machinations of the SCAC was clever.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 01:58:48 AM
Ron, the problem is that any tiebreaker that the SCAC comes up wherein 7=-2 Depauw gets that AQ over 9-0 Trinity screws all other Pool C candidates.  If that's the tiebreak the SCAC had set up BEFORE this happened, then so be it.  After the fact, it's bogus. 

And I don't hang any of this on Trinity.  I'm all for tossing all blame on Depauw (I really don't like them at all), but I'm not sure that's fair either.  I really think, that unless the SCAC decides that the best overall record gets the AQ, the NCAA should toss both teams into Pool B.  If they both qualify and get bids that way, fine.  I don't like the SCAC being able to give a 7-2 team the AQ such that the conference can get two teams in the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2005, 02:20:12 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 01:58:48 AM
If that's the tiebreak the SCAC had set up BEFORE this happened, then so be it.  After the fact, it's bogus.

The conference has the right to determine its automatic bid however it sees fit. Some conferences have odd tiebreakers. Some have their teams only play partial schedules. Not sure either one has room to talk.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2005, 09:33:45 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 01:58:48 AM
Ron, the problem is that any tiebreaker that the SCAC comes up wherein 7=-2 Depauw gets that AQ over 9-0 Trinity screws all other Pool C candidates. 

[...]  I don't like the SCAC being able to give a 7-2 team the AQ such that the conference can get two teams in the playoffs. 

I think you are allowing your hatred for DePauw to color this discussion.  First, you seem to be assuming that the SCAC is going to go out of its way to design the tiebreaker to give DePauw an advantage.  If the tiebreaker they come up with is the one Ralph mentioned (e.g. the team that hasn't been to the playoffs longest gets to go), then perhaps you have a point.  We haven't seen the tiebreak rules, though, and I doubt the SCAC is so desperate to get a second football team in the playoffs that it would use this as the primary rule.  Second, neither team has played a conference game.  That means neither team has a leg up and will be operating under the same rules to qualify for the conference's bid.  You can rest assured that the guys at TU will do whatever they can to deny the guys at DU the auto bid, as I would imagine the same could be said about the guys at DU. 

As others have stated, there is no assurance that either TU or DU will actually go undefeated, let alone both.   What if someone else should win the conference?  Should they have to get dumped into Pool B?  Should we be happy that Pool B gets "screwed" instead of (allegedly) Pool C?   Does that make things any better? 

Penalizing a conference because one of its members made a decision to keep its kids out of harm's way would be petty and counterproductive.   It would set a precedent the NCAA would probably rather not set.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2005, 09:53:26 AM
To amplify the SWC tiebreaker that I mentioned, I don't have any problem with the last oneback there rule that gave Texas Tech the bid.  There was a 5-way tie in 1994 (and the Aggies were on probation) and Tech lost to Southern Cal in the Cotton Bowl 55-14.  Tech had not been to the Cotton Bowl since 1939.  After all of the criteria had failed to determine a winner, that "longest one out" was used instead of a coin flip.

http://www.cfbdatawarehouse.com/data/conference_champs/champions.php?conid=184
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 30, 2005, 10:04:02 AM
If blame must be assigned, let's deflect it from either school and onto the true cause of the SCAC title problem.  Here are two choices:

1) Mother Nature:
For those earth-worshippers out there, Mother Nature concocted the wandering path of Hurricane Rita to frustrate and confuse D3Football fans and their respective teams.  By heading her at South Central Texas first, she made the DePauw PTB rightfully fear for the safety of their team.  By pushing her east late on Wednesday night, Mother Nature embarrassed the DePauw admins by causing the rest of us to doubt their "manhood" and "character" ... therein, the previous posting discussions about DPU's scheming motivation.  Mother Nature, meanwhile, giggles and shakes her head while scolding, "It's not nice to fool Mother Nature!" (as in the margarine commercial).

or, 2) The LORD God Almighty:
According to theist football fans, the Creator allowed Hurricane Rita to develop tremendous potential destructive force while out in the Gulf, but directed her to lesser populated areas thereby saving thousands (or perhaps millions) of homes and businesses, and potentially preserving many families from injury or death.  The fact that the last minute curve of the storm's path affected football game schedules and travel plans is simply incidental.  

Either way, remarkably, the thousands of Houston evacuees streaming west through our town on Thursday, then back east on Saturday, did not seem concerned about the SCAC tiebreaker situation.  The nerve of those selfish folks ...

Don't get me wrong ... I do love my football, but I imagine the SCAC situation will work out as it should in the end.  And if there's a bit of controversy along the way, well, that just gives us good fodder for the discussion board!   ;D

GO TIGERS ... BEAT THOSE ENGINEERS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2005, 10:48:07 AM
Many conferences use the so-called Rose Bowl Rule (they who have been out the longest get to go) to break the 'unbreakable' tie, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 30, 2005, 11:36:54 AM

How about this?

DePauw can't run the table.  Someone jumps up and bites them.  A lot of you folks were loving Millsaps in the preseason.  We all know that Trinity will be undefeated.  When they've lost in the past, the team that got lucky on that day was unable to capitalize. Trinity wins it with a better record, as they do every year. 

We're not going away. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2005, 11:53:54 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 30, 2005, 10:48:07 AM
Many conferences use the so-called Rose Bowl Rule (they who have been out the longest get to go) to break the 'unbreakable' tie, for what it's worth.

Yeah, I don't have a problem with it as long as it's the rule of last resort. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 12:02:23 PM
If one of the other SCAC teams wins the conference, they will have earned the AQ because they played the full conference schedule.  So no, they shouldn't be tossed into Pool B.  My Pool B argument applies only to Trinity and Depauw because they are effectively playing in a six-team conference this year as a result of the decision to cancel the game.  Ron, you've said in another area on PP that the 7-team conference is what it takes to demonstrate adequate competency for a playoff bid.  

It's true that conferences can choose their playoff representative by any way they see fit, but there is some amount of integrity involved in doing so.  What's stopping the OAC from giving their AQ to the second place team and letting MUC "sweat out" the selection process?  Technically, they could do it but they don't because it isn't right.  What could happen here in the SCAC is similar, if to a lesser degree.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2005, 12:09:32 PM
Damn, dude, this is a freak occurrence caused by a storm that caused billions of dollars of damage and has now killed over 100 people.  Get off your high horse already.  There's no way  the NCAA is going to apply separate rules to a conference depending on who wins it.  I know you Wabash people don't like DePauw but this is getting ridiculous.   Go concentrate on the Monon Bell and leave the rest of us alone. 

And next time a hurricane impacts a wide swath of the OAC, let's talk.  The SCAC isn't "giving" their AQ to anybody. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 30, 2005, 12:32:35 PM
Wally - I agree, let it go. The SCAC can work this out amongst themselves. Someone will get the AQ and everyone will have to live with it. Let's just hope that DePauw doesn't feel slighted before the Bell game.

I don't see the analogy at all - you don't see a lot of this in D-1 because they have such and elongated season they can work games in November and even December.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 12:34:15 PM
It's not that I don't care about the storm, Ron.  I do.  But what we need to realize here is that the NCAA doesn't have a conscience.  Time and time again, the NCAA has ruled against individuals and institutions regardless of their circumstance.  The NCAA pays no attention to freak occurrances.  

My problem here isn't so much with Depauw specifically as it is with the SCAC.  A two-loss Depauw team has no business whatsoever in the playoffs unless: 1) they've beaten Trinity and won the SCAC outright or 2) Depauw is the only undefeated team in the SCAC.  I would say the same thing if it were Rhodes or Millsaps or any other team from the conference...this case just happens to be Depauw.  The scenario is ripe for the SCAC to backdoor their way into two bids here, and the SCAC probably doesn't deserve two bids.  That's my gripe...not that it might be Depauw that gets in.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 30, 2005, 12:39:33 PM
The SCAC deserves two bids more than the NCAC, for sure. Last year DPU probably would have made an expanded playoff field.   And I don't think they'd backdoor their way into two bids, anyway. There's still a lot of football to be played and some 2-loss teams would have a strong case for a "C" at any rate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 30, 2005, 01:50:18 PM
Stop it already!  I love all these assumptions about a 2-loss DePauw squad.  Last I checked they only have one loss, and a close one at that to a potential playoff team in Wesley.  Let's not jump the gun here.  They're a good team - let's leave it at that.  We have our own business to take care of against OWU tomorrow.  Let Trinity and DePauw worry about this.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 30, 2005, 03:33:31 PM
wabashcpa has recieved a standing ovation from the DePauw radio crew.  Anyone who assums that DePauw automatically has a two-loss schedule should see the following:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2004/images/111304/pages/DSC_1747.htm

In a completely unrelated story, WGRE's coverage of Chicago v. DPU starts at 12:30 central on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 30, 2005, 04:05:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2005, 05:57:35 PM
The greatest probability among the numerous possibilities is that TU and DPU end up as co-champs.  The SCAC deliberates the issue of the tie-breaker until 11pm  on Saturday November 12th, when they award the AQ to an 7-2 overall/6-2 South Region/5-0 SCAC DPU, which is smarting from the loss of the Monon Bell to Wabash. 

I was under the impression that the whole conversation here was under the auspice that Depauw would have 2 losses.  If Depauw goes 8-1, they probably have a decent claim at a bid, conference champion or not.  But 7-2, not so much...which brings into the equation any sort of scenarios under which the SCAC could award their AQ to Depauw instead of undefeated Trinity for no good reason which is why this discussion is both important and interesting.  It's all hypothetical.  Nobody is saying for sure that Depauw will go 7-2 and lose to Wabash.  Nobody is saying for sure that Trinity will go undefeated.  Nothing has been assumed here, we've just been discussing (at length) any number of what ifs. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 30, 2005, 04:07:45 PM
Classic post, radio guy.  I guess I'd probably bug around other regional boards, too if I had nothing to remember from college that didn't involve a beanie or a sheep.  It's good fun having the d-bags from up north poke around, though I'm surprised you guys are so wrapped up in discussion of the SCAC.  

It is nice to see a little life on this board; that much is for sure.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 30, 2005, 04:58:36 PM
Well, someone has to care. Why not us?

I didn't mean to totally imply (ok, maybe a little) that DPU would have two losses. It was just speculation that if the SCAC was played out to the end, a 2 loss team could make the playoffs anyway. But, if you recall, I WAS positive about their chances to making the playoffs with two losses (that they wouldn't get discarded automatically like chaff in the wind).

So there!

But don't get your hopes up about mid-November....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 30, 2005, 07:25:50 PM
Should be a good game...

As for you caring, my comments are certainly in jest.  It's always been a great rivalry and this year promises to be more of the same.  It is a shame TU and DPU aren't matching up -- would have been a thriller.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 01, 2005, 12:25:54 AM
Yes, a small part of me was actually going to root for DPU against Trinity - much the same way I root for ANYONE in the OAC to beat Mt. Union.

But I said a "small" part of me...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 01, 2005, 12:57:11 PM
I'm not even going there....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 03:11:38 PM
Millsaps v. Huntingdon update........

Not good news for the Majors......

Huntingdon 28 - Millsaps 7 with 1:29 to go in the first half......

Millsaps just got on the board.....
Just tuned in to the game......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 03:15:48 PM
DePauw 6, UChicago 0 4:33 2nd qtr (DU PAT blocked, DU missed 30yd FGA)
Huntingdon 35, Millsaps 7, halftime as the Hawks are rolling all over the Majors.
Trinity 7, Rose-Hulman 3 4:14 1st qtr
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 03:25:35 PM
Ron beat me to the punch......

Huntingdon 35 -- Millsaps 7 at halftime
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 03:32:13 PM
Consultant, I'll leave the Millsaps updates to you from here.

Centre 17, Sewanee 14, 2nd quarter (no time, score from RHIT radio)

Trinity's Dustin Allen stops Charley Key for a four yard loss on 4th and one, takes over at midfield as the first quarter ends.    Can't move the ball, get an INT inside the 20, stall (!), Trinity 10, Rose-Hulman 3, 8:14 2nd.

UChicago had a 4th and 1 deep in DePauw territory but couldn't covert.  Still 6-0 at the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 04:08:13 PM
RHIT stops Trinity on a 4th-and-10 at the Engineer 30 with :48 left in the half, drive down to the TU 28, 45 yd FGA with the wind is good.  Trinity 10, Rose-Hulman 6 at the half. 

DePauw 19, UC 0, 9:56 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 04:10:36 PM
Huntingdon 42 - Millsaps 14 with 2:08 to go in the 3rd quarter

Advice for Trinity next week.......umm umm......don't overlook the Hawks. 
Hungtingdon is doing something right.

   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 04:31:47 PM
Huntingdon 42 - Millsaps 20  7:00 minutes to go in the game
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 04:40:55 PM
Trinity takes the opening drive of the second half 75 yards, Ray Valencia finishes it off on a 3-yard dive.  17-6 Trinity with 8:42 remaining in the 3rd.  Jerrold Jones appears to have injured his left ankle on the drive and is out. 

Centre and Sewanee tied at 28 in the fourth. 

DePauw up 26-9 with 6:32 to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 04:41:51 PM
For the second time today, Huntingdon just ran a interception back for a touchdown (80 some odd yards).  The Hawks lead Millsaps 49-20 with just over 4 minutes to go in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 04:54:49 PM
Robert Kelner breaks several tackles and takes it 34 yards to put Trinity up 24-6 with 0:54 left in the 3rd
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2005, 05:00:34 PM
Millsaps scores a late touchdown

Final score Huntingdon 49 - Millsaps 27

Conference play starts next week for the Majors as they travel to Danville, KY, to take on Centre.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 05:13:56 PM
DePauw 33, Chicago 9, final.

Ross Wiethoff   16-10- 3  122 yds  0TD
Jeremiah Marks 32 rush, 141 yds   2TD
Brian Culp      5 catches-49 yds
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreC6H0 on October 01, 2005, 05:18:40 PM
anyone hear of the Centre game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 05:20:35 PM
Sewanee is leading in the 4th, 31-28. 

WashU defeats Rhodes 15-10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreC6H0 on October 01, 2005, 05:22:04 PM
is this game on the radio, or where can i find this information
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreC6H0 on October 01, 2005, 05:30:18 PM
any updates on the centre game
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2005, 05:37:51 PM
Trinity 24, Rose-Hulman 6, final.

Team   Player                AttCmpInt Yds TD Lg
TRINIT Jacob Cannon      27-18- 1  176  2 34
RHIT   Cameron Hummel  28-11- 2  102  0 21

----RUSHING----       #-Yds TD
TU-Ray Valencia        12-59   1
TU-Jerrold Jones       16-56   0
RH-Cameron Hummel  15-80   0
RH-Charlie Key          15-59   0

---RECEIVING--- #-Yds TD
TU-Robert Kelner   7-77   2
TU-Anthony Hicks  5-56   0
RH-Jason Dickey    4-43   0
RH-Dan Downey     4-40   0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 01, 2005, 08:43:29 PM
Today was easily the best that Huntingdon has played. I think for the first time both the offense and defense played well from the start. The Hawks were able to put Millsaps in a hole early and never let them get anything going. If we can get this kind of effort next week we might be able to keep it close.

Go Hawks!! 4-0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 02, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
If Huntingdon is as good as it looks, next Saturday's matchup against TU in San Antone should be a good one.  The DPU cancellation left a lot of us wondering if anybody benefits... guess only time will tell... TU will load up for Huntingdon, then take their bye week and load up again for the balance of the conference schedule.
Anybody have thoughts about Centre and Sewanee???  Contenders, or pretenders?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2005, 06:59:26 PM
Quote from: historymajor on October 02, 2005, 02:24:59 PM
If Huntingdon is as good as it looks, next Saturday's matchup against TU in San Antone should be a good one.  The DPU cancellation left a lot of us wondering if anybody benefits... guess only time will tell... TU will load up for Huntingdon, then take their bye week and load up again for the balance of the conference schedule.
Anybody have thoughts about Centre and Sewanee???  Contenders, or pretenders?

Disappointed to see JJ go down again yesterday ... had hoped the unexpected week off would give him a chance to get healthy.  Ray V looked good in relief, good to see the frosh (Baer) get in at the end.  He might get more playing time if JJ's injury is serious.

Huntingdon ... going to be a much tougher than originally expected game.  This is not the first long road trip they have taken - they defeated Colorado College in the Springs last season and played at SWAG two years ago.    Huntingdon still primarily a rushing team which does play to TU's defensive strength.   Millsaps was forced into a passing game yesterday, not their strength.  S/B a good one.   Huntingdon has to win to have much of a shot at a Pool B; Trinity needs to win in case to have the best chance at a pool C should it be necessary.

Looking at other stats:  HC has made 5 sacks, allowed 4 ... 28 tackles for loss (7 per game) ... three ball carriers averaging 40+ ypg, Willie Horn (68 ypg, 2 TD, 7 ypc), M Barfield (54.3 ypg, 2 TD), Adrian Daily (40 ypg) ... QB Zach Golson completes 52% of his passes, NO int's on the year, 138 yards/game  .. team is +9 on turnovers, primarily on the strength of 11 INTs in 139 attempts ... despite 4-0 record have only outgained opponents 1388-1366 (amazing what a few turnovers will do, eh) ... converting less than 1/3rd of third down attempts (16 of 52) ... cpponent's records a combined 6-11 (Trinity opponents record:  6-10)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on October 02, 2005, 08:29:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 01, 2005, 05:13:56 PM
DePauw 33, Chicago 9, final.

Ross Wiethoff   16-10- 3  122 yds  0TD
Jeremiah Marks 32 rush, 141 yds   2TD
Brian Culp      5 catches-49 yds
Mike Turk is an excellent coach. He has done a remarkable job at Huntingdon the last two years and will do even better in the future. They are really stepping up their level of competition against Trinity on the road. A close game would say a lot about their program, and a win, even more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 03, 2005, 10:47:38 AM

I've not seen TU yet.  Does anyone know if they are truly not up to par this year?  A lot of teams with new starters at key positions take some time to work things out before they can really function on offense, then by the end of the season they're on fire. 

What does it look like?   Are they just not dominant or are they still in transition?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DWShortie on October 03, 2005, 12:27:56 PM
I wish that DePauw had the chance to play Trinity. Does anyone think that there will be a chance to make up the game? DePauw will give a good game to Trinity, and I beleive that my tigers can beat the them!!!! GO DEPAUW
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2005, 12:36:02 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 03, 2005, 10:47:38 AM

I've not seen TU yet.  Does anyone know if they are truly not up to par this year?  A lot of teams with new starters at key positions take some time to work things out before they can really function on offense, then by the end of the season they're on fire. 

What does it look like?   Are they just not dominant or are they still in transition?

I would say that the team is making slow progress from game to game.  Defensively the are about where they normally are this time of year, maybe a little ahead.  Offensively the running game has not been terribly productive and the deep passing game really hasn't been there much.   They could have had another TD or two on Saturday with a little better production in the red zone.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 03, 2005, 02:51:07 PM
Shortie - we already discussed that and it looks like there is no chance it can be worked out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pacman on October 03, 2005, 04:10:59 PM
RC is just miserable.  Another close loss.  It seems like every season, aside from Trinity, all of Rhodes' losses are very close games.  They can never get over the hump so to speak.  I think that kind of consistent losing is a direct byproduct of the coaches.  Some people are winners, others just never seem to find ways to win in dog fights.  Rhodes plays a sloppy brand of football, full of mistakes.  I think they are the most underachieving team in the SCAC year in and year out. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on October 03, 2005, 05:44:07 PM
I think you don't have a clue what you are talking about
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 03, 2005, 06:14:21 PM
I can remember some pretty tough teams from RC -- just not as tough as TU or Centre's squads.  They've always had some talent in Memphis....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on October 03, 2005, 09:52:29 PM
Trinity has an experienced offense and defense made up mostly of juniors and seniors with significant game experience except at the QB position. QB did not get much experience his first two years on the team  due to  the closeness of games when Desplanes was the QB. As he improves, the team improves. The offensive line is very experienced as are their running backs and receivers. Their personnel doesn't have quite the big play potential of some past teams but they are still very solid and good players. Their opponents have also improved their teams during the last couple of years, especially Austin College and Texas Lutheran, which use to be easy wins and often blow-outs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2005, 12:51:23 AM
Austin College is 0-4 and the closest they have come to winning a game all year was against Trinity in Week 1. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauw05 on October 04, 2005, 11:12:00 AM
Is it just me, or is anyone else growing weary of the asinine comments, i.e. DePauw "passed" or "wimped out" in its decision to stay clear of Hurricane Rita? 

I ask those of you who make these comments, if you had to make a decision in light of what had just happened in New Orleans,  would you really have chosen to take buses and hotel rooms away from evacuees who needed them to escape  Hurricane Rita's path?  I enjoy my college football as much as the next guy, but let's have some sense of perspective here and move on.

As for a tiebreaker, it is a bit presumptuous to assume and plan for DePauw and Trinity being undefeated and deadlocked at the end of the season when DPU has not yet played a conference game.  However, don't think for a moment that DePauw players and fans aren't severely disappointed to miss a shot at knocking Trinity off the top of the SCAC this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 04, 2005, 05:04:47 PM
News today that Seattle re-signed Urban.  Good luck to Jerheme and we all hope he sticks this time!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 04, 2005, 05:25:47 PM
Evidence:

DePauw has come close to unseating Trinity two years in a row and would be jacked out of their cleats to play this year's faded version of the black flag and somewhat deflated air attack.

If anyone should be relieved that the game is not being played, it's trinity, who had much less to gain and much more to lose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2005, 05:27:21 PM
SCAC revised tiebreaker is out:

http://www.scac-online.org/football/fbtiebreaker.htm

The team with the best winning percentage against conference teams will be declared the conference champion. The conference champion receives an automatic bid to the NCAA Championship. For the 2005 season, with an unequal number of conference games being played, 5-1 shall be considered better than 4-1.

In the case of two or more teams tying for the conference championship, each team will be declared a co-champion and receive a trophy. To determine the representative to NCAA postseason competition and the recipient of the conference's automatic bid, the following criteria will be used as a tie-breaker.

A. Two Teams:
Head-to-head result from conference game played.

-If there is no head-to-head result, the team with the fewest overall losses will be declared as the recipient of the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs.

-If there is no head-to-head result and if the tied teams have the same number of overall losses, then the percentage of each team's opponents' total overall record will be used. The team whose opponents have the higher win/loss percentage will receive the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs.

-Coin toss.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 04, 2005, 06:16:49 PM
So if Trinity wins out, it will be SCAC champ.  DePauw will need to beat Wabash to make a strong case for a Pool C bid.  Just what the Bell game needs - more intensity.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauw05 on October 04, 2005, 06:18:12 PM
If DePauw should be fortunate to win out in the SCAC and tie with Trinity, the conference ruling clearly punishes DePauw for having a tougher schedule.  A close loss to Wesley, which is rolling at 5-0, and a tough Bell game yet to come against possible NCAC champ Wabash, stand in the way of DePauw coming out on top in this scenario tie-breaker.  If DePauw were to win out and be 8-1 at the close of the season, one would think they would be a strong at-large candidate.  But who knows how the NCAA would rule.

If DPU and Trinity are tied going into the last week of conference play, it's too bad they couldn't just flip-flop opponents.  DePauw could switch from traveling to Terre Haute to play a less meaningful game against Rose and instead go to San Antonio.  

This tie-breaker scenario clearly rewards a softer schedule.  It's a disappointing ruling for that reason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 04, 2005, 06:21:20 PM
That's why they play the games -- or at least why they schedule them. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on October 04, 2005, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: Pacman on October 03, 2005, 04:10:59 PM
RC is just miserable.  Another close loss.  It seems like every season, aside from Trinity, all of Rhodes' losses are very close games.  They can never get over the hump so to speak.  I think that kind of consistent losing is a direct byproduct of the coaches.  Some people are winners, others just never seem to find ways to win in dog fights.  Rhodes plays a sloppy brand of football, full of mistakes.  I think they are the most underachieving team in the SCAC year in and year out. 

Hey Pacman,

I guess it is real easy to be an anonymous internet coward who can freely criticize people. Go look at the SCAC website and see what team had the defensive player of the week, underachievers my a**. What the write up  doesn't tell you is that on the two pass breakups, the wide receivers had to leave the game and both of those were in the 1st half, they never threw over the middle again, probably a smart move to not put any one else out of the game. There are those of us who will follow Rhodes college and their coaches and support them, I would very like to meet you someday, let me know if you ever follow a team that plays in Memphis. It can be tough when you have to play your 3rd QB because the first two are out with injuries, oh forgot, internet cowards don't probably know that. Hey, do me a favor and dress out for a game against Rhodes and run a crossing pattern over the middle about 3 -7 yards off the line of scrimmage, we won't hear your whining again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wuapefkcud on October 04, 2005, 06:35:37 PM
Just wondering why historymajor deleted his post from last night?  I thought he made a good point.


When faced with a situation of considerable importance, why is it necessary to hastily make a decision?  I left out wrong decision just so you would focus on the fact that the decision to cancel the game was made on Thursday afternoon. 

I agree about being concerned for everyone's safety.  That should be first and foremost, but let us deal with the full picture.  DePauw's flights departed and arrived as scheduled.  Would airlines risk flying if they did not feel it was in the better judgment to do so?  No, they waited until they received further weather forecast and understood the movement  and projected path to realize that the flight was safe. 

San Antonio thrives on tourism.  Why does that matter?  Maybe it has something to do with the fact that there are over 180 hotels in the San Antonio area, and 24,726 hotel rooms in the City of San Antonio (27,728 in the San Antonio Metropolitan Area).  I think the reservations would have held.

As for the tiebreaker argument, you must be from DePauw to think that it would be presumptuous to have a contingency plan in place.  Most schools like to have their AQ parameters set in place.  Although, if DePauw followed your wait-and-see attitude and waited until at least Friday to cancel we wouldn't be in this predicament. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 04, 2005, 07:39:54 PM
Per the SCAC's automatic bid, the Trinity faithful should beware the Huntingdon Hawks before they get too excited.  Sewanee, Rhodes, and Millsaps are all victims of a good Huntingdon team.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 04, 2005, 08:40:21 PM
wua...

Hindsight is always 20/20 - and I'd rather be safe than sorry.

(And again, I'd can't believe I'm defending the Dannies!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 04, 2005, 11:41:58 PM
Good point, consultant.  Interesting twist.  As of today, DePauw's opponents have a better winning percentage than Trinity's.  The way Welsey and Wabash have been going, that will likely be the case at the end of the year as well (although Huntingdon actually helps Trinity in this area).  So if Huntingdon were to upset Trinity, and neither Trinity nor DePauw loses to other conference opponents, DePauw would win the tiebreaker with a Bell game victory.  A Bell game loss would give them two losses and probably end their season.  All or nothing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on October 05, 2005, 02:28:49 AM
I am in total agreeance with wua.  I really hope that we don't see an onslaught of angry DePauw folk crying about the tie breaker scenario.  While the situation was an unfortunate one for DePauw to deal with it was their choice not to come.  The tie-breaker plan does seem to ignore DPU's strength of schedule, but as the saying goes, the DPU Tigers have made their own bed and are going to have to lie in it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 05, 2005, 03:12:55 AM
Coach R,

What is the QB situation for this weekend and what is the RB situation? 

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 05, 2005, 09:00:12 AM
I think the tiebreaker is fair to all involved.  I don't know of a better solution.  This is in all likelihood a one-time event where two conference teams won't go head-to-head. 

However, the season is less than half over.  While it is intriguing to think about these scenarios, there is still a lot of football to be played. 

The bottom line is this: DePauw needs to focus on winning every game convincingly in order to prove that they are worthy of a Pool C bid.  If Trinity loses along the way, then so be it.  But if DePauw loses again, then all of this discussion about the tiebreaker, cancelled games, and soft schedules is moot at this point.

Appreciate all of the Wally interest on this topic.  Having never made the playoffs while I played at DePauw, I can't speak to the importance and excitement of a playoff game.  But, I do know that it couldn't mean more to this player than the Bell game.  The crowd, intensity, and simply knowing that you will never again strap on the pads after that game is over can not be topped.  I would expect making the playoffs would be something that you would grow to appreciate even more later in life when you look back at what you accomplished in a more rational manner.  Emotionally, the Bell game is the Playoffs on steroids.

Look forward to seeing you boys in Greencastle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 05, 2005, 10:48:49 AM
Somebody on page 24 said that DePauw would be "jacked out of their cleats"  to play Trinity after two close losses the last two years and that TU is lucky they don't have to play DePauw.  Wrong.  Trinity is in their heads.  They don't believe they can beat the San Antonio Tigers as much as they would like to do so.  They might get "jacked out their cleats," but getting that "jacked" is not always a good thing because you can spend all your energy in the first quarter. 

Even if they had played, it's too bad for DePauw that they have that head case because TU is at its most vulnerable right now.  Coach Mohr's group is not performing like the number 10 team in the country and I can't figure out why they keep moving up.  It hurts me to say it, but I think a handful of lower ranked teams would have scorched RHIT last weekend and had their backups play the whole 4th quarter.  It is my hope that they finally feel threatened this weekend and show up for four quarters.  I can't stand the thought of an upstart group coming in and sweeping our conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 05, 2005, 11:50:17 AM
TU2698, unfortunately teams above Trinity lost last week. :) I have Ithaca and UW-La Crosse ahead of Trinity on my ballot, but I'm just one voter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 05, 2005, 02:33:27 PM
That was me.  They definitely believe they can beat Trinity.  They haven't yet, but they definitely believe that they can.  Please don't misunderstand me -- Trinity is not 'lucky' the game was not played, but they did have more to lose in playing that game, and significantly less to gain.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on October 05, 2005, 05:52:09 PM
TU2698;
  I was at this weeks game in Terre Haute and I must agree, TU really isn't the team its been in the past. RHIT is nursing a D-line problem and still trying to
get its passing game into high gear. TU rolls in at the number 12 spot in the nation and gets scored on first and blanked in the forth quarter. I'm aware
a win, no matter how ugly, is a win but they moved up in the ranks to boot.
I found its rise in the ratings a bit odd since RHIT was picked to finish last in
the SCAC this year. This could turn out to be a very interesting season .
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 05, 2005, 05:57:57 PM

I guess you're right, Trinity had a lot to lose because they pretty much have it all.  But I think DePauw is to Trinity what the Colts are to the Patriots.  NOt only does TU have slightly better players, DePauw has a mental block. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 05, 2005, 07:21:43 PM
Trinity has long been the front-runner, yes.  They are a very well-coached program.  DePauw's guys are excited to beat them, though.  And the fact is that many non TU fans predicted this to be the year that it would happen (I also  suspect that many TU followers feared this, as well).  In the end, we don't get to know the outcome, so it's easy for TU fans to speculate about DPU being scared to play them and spout off (ad nauseum) about our administration being frightened by the team, not the hurricane.  Give me a break. 

Look, my feeling is that if you are a fan of Trinity AND participating in discussions on this site, you either went there, go there or are related to someone falling into either the former or latter group.  If this is true, you probably also have a mental capacity high enough to understand that your team is frankly not that frightening.  Good?  Yes.  Beaten us steadily for over a decade?  Yes.  Worth cancelling a trip over?  Not  a chance.  You're simply not that good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 05, 2005, 09:43:54 PM
INAZ,,, Maybe the intense, prolonged heat has affected your senses.... DPU could NOT afford to lose to TU.  It was a home game for TU, away for DPU.  If they had come to San Antone and won.... there was still the possibility that they wouldn't win out....  TU is rebuilding/reloading and some things are coming together faster than others,,, but until you beat TU,,, you're pi$$ing into the wind and by taking a pass... you dribbled on your own legs!
You CHOSE to take a pass and now it's 1-love TU.
SERVICE?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 05, 2005, 09:54:16 PM
History,

"Not yet crazy... but getting there fast!"

Some people might think you need to slow down.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 05, 2005, 10:04:00 PM
Any comments on the Trinity/Huntingdon game?  Seems to me that this is the most intriguing game of the week.  Can a Trinity team that is trying to work out the kinks get things straightened out at home to play a team that seems to have no kinks and is 3-0 against SCAC teams?

I like Huntingdon by a touchdown.

Millsaps   at Centre       Millsaps wins by 10.....why not?

DePauw   at Sewanee        DePauw wins by 14 on the Mountain despite Sewanee's recent success

Rose-Hulman at Rhodes       Rose-Hulman by 3 in a close one in Memphis. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 12:45:22 AM
Quote from: consultant on October 05, 2005, 10:04:00 PM
Any comments on the Trinity/Huntingdon game?  Seems to me that this is the most intriguing game of the week.  Can a Trinity team that is trying to work out the kinks get things straightened out at home to play a team that seems to have no kinks and is 3-0 against SCAC teams?

I'd like HC's chances better if they weren't primarily a running team.  TU's rushing defense is a strength and has held up well so far.   Doesn't mean the Hawks won't be able to run against Trinity, but they may not find the going as easy as last week.

The Hawks are a very young team (two seniors on the entire roster) so emotion will play a big part in the game.   TU will need to look out for the Hawks secondary (11 INTs in four games) to limit early turnovers and try to keep the emotion down.

People here may not be aware that Huntingdon defeated Rhodes even though Rhodes outgained them nearly 3:1.   Turnovers... so again, there is that opportunistic Huntingdon defense. 

I have to admit that I was very surprised to see the ease with which HC put down Millsaps, but Millsaps did have a QB starting his first-ever ball game.   Wish I could be there on Saturday ... I have other comittments and won't even be able to listen on radio.  Grr !!

What will these guys look like next season?  They don't graduate anyone (the two seniors aren't skill players, anyway).   If they don't get a Pool B this year, you'd have to think they'll be one of the major contenders next season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 12:56:32 AM
History Major -

Take this as a life long enemy of DPU, one who has great antipathy for them everything they stand for.

You sir, are ludicrious if you think DPU 'ducked' Trinity because of the hurricaine.

If you are the typical Trinity fan, then I shake my head at what kind of institution has fans such as yourself, when you would declaim another institution from making a decision that affects the safety and well-being of their student athletes, knowing full well of the total unpredictability of gulf-based weather systems, and you sit here and say that they are ducking Trinity.

"I SAY GOOD DAY TO YOU SIR!"

Pat was right - you guys are nuttier than David Koresh. If you ever lose the SCAC - I'm afraid that you'd go on a mass killing spree claiming it's a conspiracy.

But of course, this is the same state that allowed Tom DeLay to DeDo what ever he DeWants, so I'm no DeSurprised at DeAll.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 01:03:29 AM
That's an awful wide brush you're painting with there, Smed.  Let's keep the unnecessary gratuitous insults to a minimum.  You have an issue with one poster's opinion,  fine.  Castigating everyone else associated with an institution based on that one opinion is not.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 01:18:28 AM
They may not be typical of the institution, but I count three posters, not one.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 01:54:17 AM
If you look on the NCAC board, I'm always one decrying painting with a broad brush. And if you look, I said IF...but I've seen no real evidence to the contrary (mind you, being a message board the sample size is a bit low, for sure) that there's another side to the Trinity fans. Often times on the NCAC board I have to provide the antidote to the kool-aid. Who's serving that here?

And jeez...DPU fans...why does a Wabash man have to defend you?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 09:49:14 AM
Quote from: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 01:54:17 AM
If you look on the NCAC board, I'm always one decrying painting with a broad brush. And if you look, I said IF...but I've seen no real evidence to the contrary (mind you, being a message board the sample size is a bit low, for sure) that there's another side to the Trinity fans. Often times on the NCAC board I have to provide the antidote to the kool-aid. Who's serving that here?

I'm a Trinity fan (& alumnus) too, Smed.   I don't think the bulk of my posts here constitute the behavior you find objectionable.  And, as you say, why is someone from Wabash lecturing SCAC posters? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2005, 10:21:28 AM
"I have to admit that I was very surprised to see the ease with which HC put down Millsaps, but Millsaps did have a QB starting his first-ever ball game.   Wish I could be there on Saturday ... I have other comittments and won't even be able to listen on radio.  Grr !!"

Bedtime,

Millsaps baffles me somewhat this season as well, but in their defense, they did not have a starting QB and Tyson Roy was still out with an injury, two keys to moving the ball on offense.  As you said with HC, Millsaps is also a young team, and maybe they need another year under their belt before things really improve?  I wish this was their year, but before I speak anymore on it, they have not even played a SCAC game yet, anything could happen.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 10:25:39 AM
Because the Dannies won't BFB. And some part of me has to speak up when someone is being accused of something ludicrous.

I didn't say YOUR posts were the ones I find objectionable. I DID call out the poster that I found objectionable. I think someone from Trinity should police their own - I do at the NCAC board when one our guys gets a little nutty. Otherwise, people think the whole school is nuts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2005, 10:58:04 AM
Maybe it's the fact that you "always fight" :)

Quote from: smedindy's sig line on October 06, 2005, 10:25:39 AM
Wabash Always Fights!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pacman on October 06, 2005, 11:31:44 AM
I stand by what I said regarding Rhodes Football.  Hey Swanstrom, how can you not think the team underachieves.  Your senior year they went 5-5 coming off of a 7-3 season.  Rhodes should have been WAY better.  And take that 7-3 season; a great year, certainly, but still, three close, close losses.  Could have been 10-0 and in the playoffs.  My point is this: Rhodes is always competitive (most Trinity games not with standing), they just never find ways to win those close games.  At some point, its not bad luck, it is systemic.  That falls on the coaching staff, period. 

Rhodes should compete for conference titles every season.  They have a recruiting advantage over every school (Best academic school in the SCAC, rankings be damned, beautiful campus (now with new library), in an urban setting, etc.)  They should rake in great talent year after year, but they are not.  Pretty disappointing for Rhodes people I would think. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pacman on October 06, 2005, 11:38:08 AM
Hey coachr,

I couldn't give a sh*t what you think of my post.  Yeah, Steinert had a great game.  What the hell is your point?  He certainly didn't underachieve, but a team is far more than one player.  My post was refering to the program in general, not individual performances.  Get a clue.  Similarly, in my last post, my reference to Swanstrom wasn't to suggest he underachieved; he was always top notch.  I was instead refering to the program during his senior year.  He was not the problem. 

By the way, is there anything more cowardly than threats made by faceless posters on internet boards?  No chance.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 11:55:09 AM
Quote from: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 10:25:39 AM
I didn't say YOUR posts were the ones I find objectionable. I DID call out the poster that I found objectionable. I think someone from Trinity should police their own - I do at the NCAC board when one our guys gets a little nutty. Otherwise, people think the whole school is nuts.

Which is it?  Your broad brush says

Quote from: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 01:54:17 AM
... I've seen no real evidence to the contrary (mind you, being a message board the sample size is a bit low, for sure) that there's another side to the Trinity fans.

Your two posts are directly in contradiction of each other.  If my posts are not objectionable, then you have found "evidence to the contrary" that "there's another side to the Trinity fans."  That's the core of my objection to your recent posts. 

Every school has people who go a bit far (look at newbie "pacman," slamming Rhodes totally out of the blue).  I'm not HM's mother, and it's not my place to tell him what he can and cannot post.   I do wish that some of my fellow Trinity posters would exercise more discretion (including this specific case), but the same can be said of posters supporting schools all over the D3football.com boards.   The folks who you object to here are hardly alone in letting their enthusiam for a program carry them too far.   Let the DU folks carry their own flag - they're big boys.   They might even want to focus on a future (that includes an even more must-win against Wabash) rather than a past that can't be changed.

That's the last I'll say on this topic, though it's a free country bulletin board and you of course are welcome to respond.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 06, 2005, 12:14:57 PM
I may have painted the brush a little broadly, but frankly, it's been a while and there's still allusions (directly and indirectly) pointed at DPU, which I think is ridiculous.

I had also thought that early on you were quite critical of the DPU decision. You were, but you retracted it and I forgot the retraction.

Hatched, buried. Moving on...



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 06, 2005, 01:03:03 PM
Smed, et al.... I do believe that maybe DePauw chose not to come to San Antonio out of a 'better safe than sorry' mindset.  What I objected to, and continue to defend is my belief that Trinity and the SCAC offered ideas to reschedule and it was DPU that CHOSE not to.  Ducking a hurricane is a safety issue, CHOSING not to reschedule, well you draw your own conclusions.
I too, will drop the issue and hope that the end of the season doesn't prove to unfairly deprive either of an NCAA bid if TU or DPU deserve it.  To me the best scenerio would be to have both get in, and have to face each other in the first round (in San Antone) where the original game was supposed to be played.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 06, 2005, 01:03:59 PM
Hatched- buried !.......That is awful!

I'm calling PETA!

;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 06, 2005, 03:15:33 PM
I love this stuff.  I check this board once or twice a day when I should be working, so sorry for the delay in responding to you, History Major.

The heat does get to me, yes.  It sucks in the summer and I miss the Indiana falls.  I also miss getting up for games against both Trinity and Wabash.  Call me Al Bundy, but this time of year is bittersweet for me.  Oh, and for the record, we never 'feared' your squad.  Maybe we should have, because in my time we took some nasty beatings on your campus, but we always circled the date we got to play you as the focal point of our early season.  I just think that you're a little confused to think that we would skip an opportunity to knock off the only team we have shown an inability to beat.  It's just crazy.  I'm not sure what you think they put in the water in Greencastle, but the boys up there are much like any other group of fellas who have come very close to meeting their objective the past two years -- they want to go back and finish what they started.

Don't be a tool.  Also, thanks smed for being above your hatred of DPU enought to tell the boys from Texas to settle down.  See you in G-castle for the Bell Game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 06, 2005, 03:31:32 PM
Quote from: Pacman on October 06, 2005, 11:31:44 AM
Rhodes should compete for conference titles every season.  They have a recruiting advantage over every school (Best academic school in the SCAC, rankings be damned, beautiful campus (now with new library), in an urban setting, etc.)  They should rake in great talent year after year, but they are not.  Pretty disappointing for Rhodes people I would think. 

Agreed that there is too much talent in the Memphis area not to get some, even if by accident, that would put you over the hump in the SCAC.  Rhodes campus is nice, although I wouldn't want to stray too far off campus by foot.  I would put Rhodes and DePauw in the same boat academically, with Rose-Hulman in a different boat because of their specialization in engineering.  Midtown, Beale Street, and Rendezvous over Greencastle?  Hmmm.... :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 06, 2005, 03:49:57 PM
Dog gonnit History Major!  This is a poster's arrest!  I'm policing you to not be a tool!  I don't mean to paint with a broad brush, but that goes for the rest of you TU posters.   Except me of course. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 06, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
WGRE starts coverage of DPU/Sewanee on 12:30 Saturday.

Also, if everyone from DePauw, Trinity, and the SCAC wants a bowl of ice cream, and there's no ice cream stand around, nobody gets ice cream.  DePauw wanted to reschedule as bad as TU did.  There's no ducking in the issue.  Perhaps...and just perhaps...everybody tried and it didn't work.

Maybe if TU would have played DPU on a neutral site when the game was supposed to be played...we wouldn't be in this whiny mess now would we?  There's as much ducking on your side as our side.  Rumor around my campus is that TU wouldn't play unless it was in San Antonio.  No Memphis, no Greencastle, no Crawfordsville (which was my vote...probably get more TU fans there than you would in San Antonio), or any parts in between.

That being said, none of this matters if Trinity doesn't lose.  If TU takes care of their own business, everything will be smiley faces, rainbows, and bunnies  >:( because TU will win the conference again. I can't wait.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 06, 2005, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on October 06, 2005, 05:45:00 PM
No Memphis, no Greencastle, no Crawfordsville (which was my vote...probably get more TU fans there than you would in San Antonio), or any parts in between.

:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 06, 2005, 08:41:04 PM
why should Trinity give up a home game?  If it was going to be made up, they have every right to want it to be at home.  Besides, travel plans are very hard to make for that many people with such little notice.  Say all you want about the crap floating around your campus, but that is as stupid as Trinity people (I'm talking to you, historymajor) saying DPU ducked TU.

I sure hope DePauw comes down to San Antonio next year.  It would be unjust to send the S.A. Tigers up there in what essentially amounts to 2 years in a row.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2005, 09:20:01 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on October 06, 2005, 08:41:04 PM
I sure hope DePauw comes down to San Antonio next year.  It would be unjust to send the S.A. Tigers up there in what essentially amounts to 2 years in a row.

Nope, those are the breaks.  "Unjust" is what happened to people on the gulf coast.  This is just football. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 07, 2005, 04:57:56 AM
Amen, BfB. Since Hurricane Rita was pointed at me and my family, then turned away, I am thankful for mercy and grace ... football is just a bonus. Ice cream is good too, am I right, Bonzo? Make mine Blue Bell.  ;D
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 09:34:18 AM
Tigerdad, one karma to you for that great photo of Bonzo eating Blue Bell ice cream! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 07, 2005, 11:36:47 AM
Hey smart admin/computer  guys, somethng that would be extremely helpful on this site would be a map of the Unites States with each school represented in their state.  It is very difficult to get your mind around where all these schools are from and a single visual source would be handy.

Just a thought.

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2005, 12:02:46 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 09:34:18 AM
Tigerdad, one karma to you for that great photo of Bonzo eating Blue Bell ice cream! :)

I do like my ice cream, tho' I prefer Braum's to Blue Bell.  Make mine chocolate chip cookie dough  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2005, 12:09:07 PM
Desert Lynx:

This is actually on our to-do list and is made easier by some things Google has done lately but it's far down on the depth chart compared to some of the more important day-to-day things.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 07, 2005, 12:20:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 07, 2005, 12:02:46 PM
I do like my ice cream, tho' I prefer Braum's to Blue Bell.  Make mine chocolate chip cookie dough  ;D

That's a good choice, but I am recommending this flavor for you, BfB:    ;)
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 07, 2005, 03:15:48 PM
Quote from: DesertLynx on October 07, 2005, 11:36:47 AM
... something that would be extremely helpful on this site would be a map of the United States with each school represented in their state.

Click the thumbnail image below to view the full-size SCAC map in a new window...
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NOTE: Austin College (SCAC next year) and Huntingdon (frequent SCAC opponent) are included.
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 03:20:59 PM
TigerDad, that looks great.  I am sure that Pat would appreciate your submiting a bid when the RFP comes out.

Doing it within the D3football.com budget is critical, but I am certain that there are numerous talented individuals who might accept compensation in "karma" points or promotion to Hall of Fame status. ;D

Now just create a separate one for Basketball adding Hendrix, Southwestern and Oglethorpe! ;)

(Also, the Huntingdon people love the assocation with the SCAC!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2005, 03:24:59 PM
Indeed.

So what does RFP stand for? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2005, 03:32:59 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2005, 03:24:59 PM
Indeed.

So what does RFP stand for? :)

Stolen from the 'net:

Short for Request for Proposal, a document that an enterprise sends to a vendor inviting the vendor to submit a bid for hardware, software, services, or any combination of the three. An organization typically issues the RFP in order to assess competing bids.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 07, 2005, 04:15:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 03:20:59 PM
Now just create a separate one for Basketball adding Hendrix, Southwestern and Oglethorpe! ;)

(Also, the Huntingdon people love the assocation with the SCAC!)

You threw me for a second with Southwestern, as Rhodes used to be known as Southwestern many moons ago.  I see the Southwestern you refer to is in Texas.

As far as Hendrix and Oglethorpe, I was just thinking, "Boy, wouldn't it be great if the SCAC could expand into Georgia and Arkansas, since their current geographic coverage really isn't sufficient?"  Glad I'm not the one making those road trips!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2005, 04:20:43 PM
Imagine how much worse things get if, in its drive to add two more members, the SCAC adds Colorado College and Huntingdon ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 07, 2005, 04:23:25 PM
I must point out that Millsaps does not have the correct color designated to it, the school colors are purple and white, not royal blue, but a nice graphic nonetheless!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 07, 2005, 04:41:30 PM
Ron, your worst case scenario is more like Austin College used to play in my tenure at AC (1967-1971) as an independent.  During my four years we played Southwestern (Rhodes) , Colorado College, Sewanee,  what was then United States International in San Diego, CA, Texas Lutheran, Nebraska Weslayan,  William Jewell,  Northwood Institute (Dallas), and University of Mexico (now that was a road trip)  ;D  I am sure there were a couple of others that do not come to mind right away.

While they were long trips, they were a great experience for a city boy who grew up in the East End of Houston.  I am sure that this will still hold true for a lot of young kids today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2005, 05:51:08 PM
Pat, I am not trying to interfere with your business model, but you have THE web site for D3football! :)

Columbus Multimedia...gone
Don Hansen..you got him beat.
NCAA...different focus.

And with the karma points, you can print karma points like the US Treasury! ;)

Why there are probably web designers in some elite D3 football power house who would love to be the exculsive vendors for a web site whose 15th Million hit will arrive this month!

Have him/her do 21 conference maps for football, 4 more for the regions another one for the independents and then maybe an extra one for Stagg Bowl winners! ;D

On the Hoops' site, both men and women conferences, roughly 40 each, 8 more regions each, one for the independents and Bumblin' B's and finally Final Four teams...

All total, let's say 130-140 maps, all for karma!

I think you have a winner here! 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2005, 10:17:04 PM
Huntingdon 'picking' right time of year to be peaking (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051007/SPORTS/510070378/1002) from the Montgomery, AL Advertiser. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 08, 2005, 05:53:35 AM
TIgerDad et al..., although I truly appreciate the SCAC map, Really.   Being a Lynx fan the SCAC is not the one I need.  I think it is safe to say that all the regular posters on the SCAC board know where the schools are. 

Its the other 200 + schools like Alfred?  Hartwick? (and please don't tell me where the schools are in your reply because these individual schools are not the point) 

I just made the point that itwould be nice to see where all of "the other" schools in the country are.  To clarify I do know where the SCAC schools are, and I do appreciate the map of the SCAC, however it is the vast majority of the other conferences that I do not know but would like to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 02:43:43 PM
Trinity drives from their 20 to the 3 but three rushing attempts from there net only one yard, 19-yd Altman field goal is good to give the Tigers an early 3-0 lead.   Cannon 7-8 on the opening drive.

Hawk defense seems very quick - not much yardage allowed after the catch. 

Huntingdon marches from their 15 to the Trinity 12 but a pitch goes awry, Trinity recovers.  Key play on the drive, a 45-yard post pattern run by Mark Colson.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 08, 2005, 02:47:07 PM
I've been fortunate enough to listen to the opponents' call in each of the games that I've followed for Trinity.  I didn't realize how privileged I was until I started listening to the TU broadcast today.  This is absolutely gut wrenching.  I didn't get their names, but they are awful.  The color guy is an ex-kicker.  

There are long periods of silence, and since I can hear the Huntingdon Broadcast in the background, it actually works out that the Trinity staff is interrupting my attempts to follow the game.  

I tried to get the Huntingdon broadcast instead, but for some reason it's not working.  We must really have the best fans in the country if we're going to endure this for three hours.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 02:50:13 PM
I can't get the Huntingdon feed either. Listening to TU announcer's too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 02:52:19 PM
HC loses fumble in red zone.  >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 02:58:11 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 08, 2005, 02:47:07 PM
I didn't get their names, but they are awful.  The color guy is an ex-kicker.

It's student radio.  Trinity doesn't pay guys to come in and do their broadcasts. 

End of the quarter, still 3-0.  Trinity starting to get the running game going, down to the Hawks 30. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 08, 2005, 03:02:19 PM

Must be a down year.  I've heard some guys in there do an excellent job.  Hopefully the 200 million dollar capital campaign will pay for some training for the future broadcast team. 

They could start by telling them that when a qb scrambles out of the pocket, it's not a draw. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 03:05:35 PM
Trinity gets down inside the ten but again stall - lot of running in the red zone today for some reason.  Another chipshot FG makes it 6-0. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 03:06:58 PM
HC also doesn't have a running back named Horton. But they haven't given a number so I don't know who it is. I think I heard the HC announcers in the background say Horn so that may be who it is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 03:20:59 PM
HC five yard TD pass to go up 7-6 with I think 4:20 left in 2nd qtr.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 03:21:39 PM
Colson gets open and gets 53 on a pass from Golson, then Golson finds Broderick Smith for six.  PAT is good, Huntingdon leads 7-6 with 4:20 left in the half.   That's twice Golson has burned TU deep. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 03:29:25 PM
Just able to get HC radio feed if interested.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 03:33:35 PM
Ahh, cool, interview with Huntingdon's president coming up. Wonder how much he knows about Division III football. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 03:39:01 PM
Huntingdon adds a 35 yd FG as time runs out to take a 10-6 lead at the half.  Trinity has not been able to get much pressure on Golson today, definitely not helping the home team's cause.

Halftime stats:

1st downs HC 10, TU 12
Rushes-yds HC 17-62, TU 18-63
Passing HC 8-13-0, TU 13-19-0
Plays-yds HC 30-240 TU 37-174
yds/play HC 8.0 TU 4.7
Penalties HC 3-33 TU 0-0
Possession HC 13:54 TU 16:06
3rd down HC 4/6 TU 6/10

Indiv stats

Huntingdon

Rushing Horn 6-27, Colson 3-17, Martin 5-14, Golson 3-4
Receiving Colson 4-82, Godwin 2-73, B. Smith 2-23 1TD

Trinity
Rushing Cannon 7-27, Valencia 6-18, Hicks 1-11, Jones 4-7
Receiving Kelner 4-28, Hicks 3-40, Kremers 2-23, Jones 2-8, Valencia 1-6, Thomson 1-6

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 03:39:20 PM
Cody Lange 35 yd FG to give HC 10-6 lead at the half.

GO HAWKS!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 04:04:42 PM
Hawks radio call is about 30-45 seconds (about two plays) behind realtime.  Kind of annoying if you are following the live play-by-play too.   

Gotta say the HC punters and kickers are doing an impressive job today. 

Blake Barmore in at QB for Trinity ... but fumbles at midfield, Hawk ball. 

Defense gets a sack on 3rd and 10 from the TU 37, Barmore will start at the 15. 

Get into the red zone, snap over Barmore's head loses 13, can't convert; 45 yd FGA is wide left.  Still 10-6 with 4:48 left in the 3rd.

TU defense gets another big sack on 2nd and long, take over at midfield after the punt. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 04:31:45 PM
4th quarter.

Trinity gets it inside the 20 again, short run, short run, incomplete pass, 25-yd FG is good.  10-9 14:49 remaining.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 04:33:26 PM
Man this is intense. May have to double my blood pressure medicine tonight.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 08, 2005, 04:37:07 PM
Ron, it would be easier if you could do the play by play on the radio! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 04:43:30 PM
heh.  Easier to type.

Trinity defense holds again, punt is shanked, TU takes over at the Hawks 43.   

Deliberate drive, Barmore mixes some running in with his passing. finally culminates in a 4-yd completion to Valencia.  Looks like they are going for two...  Barmore is stopped short.   15-10 Trinity with 6:30 left.

Barmore is 7-8 for 53 yds in relief of Cannon.  Cannon did get his hand popped in the first half but stayed in the game at that point. 

Huntingdon starts at their 25, Golson finds Mark Colson in Trinity territory at the 45. 

Golson suffers his first interception of the year on a deep pass.  Trinity ball at their 14; 4:34 remaining.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU54 on October 08, 2005, 05:01:27 PM
DPU over Sewanee 34-0 End score.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:04:10 PM
Trinity keeps it on the ground, big first downs by Jones (2) and then Barmore carries it for 13 to get a first down with 30 seconds left.    Trinity survives 15-10.  Game ball to the defense which played much better in the second half, and Barmore for very good play in relief.  Stats to follow.

Hawks are scary this year, will be even moreso next year.  Good game, Huntingdon, and good luck the rest of the seasson!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 08, 2005, 05:06:02 PM
Well, TU got the win, but more importantly, the Mr. Nuerberger, the play-by-play guy, really loosened up as the game went on, and I if no one else found him tolerable in the 2nd half.  

Hats off to HC.  Good group on both sides of the ball.  It's just really tough to beat Trinity.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 08, 2005, 05:07:51 PM

Sorry, Nuerenberg.  Can someone tell us what happened to Cannon?  Looks like Blake can do the job too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 05:09:15 PM
Well, we had some chances but just couldn't get any offense going in the second half. Sounded like there were a couple of dumb penalties to keep Trinity drives going then the bad punt late in the game to give TU great field position killed us. We did show we can play with some of the big boys now. Maybe we can make some noise next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 05:11:45 PM
Interesting to hear he thinks Huntingdon is only in its second year of football. What did I miss?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:16:47 PM

             HC    TRINITY
1st Downs    14       25
Rushes-Yds 34-86    42-189
Pass Yds    217      164   
Passing   11-21-1  20-27-0
Plays      55-303   69-353
Avg/play    5.5      5.1 
Kick ret    3-52     0-0
Punt ret    2-22     4-61
Fumb-Lost   1-1      3-1 
Penalties   5-63     0-0
Punts      5-35.6   2-39.5
Possession 27:15    32:45
3rd-Dn Eff  7/14     9/15
4th-Dn Eff  0/0      0/0

Rushing:
HUNTINGDON:  Horn 12-66, Martin 9-22, Colson 4-18, Daily 2-4, Godwin 1-(-4), Golson 6-(-20).
TRINITY:  Jones 12-58, Valencia 10-51, Cannon 7-27, Hicks 2-25, Barmore 6-19, Plotnick 4-8, Thompson 1-1.

Passing:
HUNTINGDON:  Golson 11-21-1  217 yds, 1 TD
TRINITY:  Cannon 13-19-0 111 yds; Barmore 7-8-0 53 yds, 1 TD

Defensive:
HUNTINGDON:  Jemison 7 tackles (5 solo), Whitehead 7 (3), Patterson 7(1, 1 for loss), Hudson 6 (6), Shook 6(4), Knight 6(3).
TRINITY:  Palmertree 9 tackles (5 solo); Allen 9(4; 2 QBH); Garcia 8 (3, 2 for loss); Flynn 7(2, 2 for loss).

Sacks:
HUNTINGDON Miller 1-7
TRINITY:  Flynn 1-10, Koch 1-5, McAdams 1-6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 05:11:45 PM
Interesting to hear he thinks Huntingdon is only in its second year of football. What did I miss?

Yeah, not sure where that "two year" comment came from.  THey have two seniors on the roster, too.  HC has done an impressive enough job, don't need to try and make it even more impressive.   :D

In case you were asking "what did I miss in the 2nd half:"

Trinity defense decided to play in the 2nd half; offense  (with second string QB Barmore starting the 2nd half) made enough plays to win despite problems getting it in the end zone.  Trinity seemed to call a VERY conservative game to neutralize HC's secondary.

HC had 240 yds in first half, 63 in second.  Give the defensive coordinator a cigar for the adjustments made in the locker room.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:28:44 PM
Centre 38, Millsaps 10
Sounds like a close one between Rhodes and RHIT.  Rose is leading by less than a TD, Rhodes is driving, less that 1:30 remaining. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on October 08, 2005, 05:30:13 PM
Reply to Pat Coleman: alright, so Huntingdon's is actually in its 3rd year, but only the second year with their current coach, Mike Turk.They went 0-7 first year playing most of their games on the road and having a hard time scheduling anybody to play them. Not sure if Trinity has scheduled a return visit next year, but if so, Huntingdon's chances will be good for a win with only two seniors on this year's team. Also, since  they are the only D-III team in the entire State, and very few D-III teams, if any, in Florida and Georgia, which are heaving recruited areas for them, they will only get better over time. If there is such a thing as a moral victory, HC got one today. :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2005, 05:32:46 PM
1:06 left in regulation, Rhodes scores to tie it at 13-all.  The Lynx converted two fourth downs to keep the drive alive.

Two timeouts left for Rose.

0:53 Hummell pass completion to midfield for RHIT. 
0:46 pass complete to the Rhodes 43, OOB.
0:41 Key carries it for a first down at the 39.
0:32 Robinson catches, OOB, ball at the 31.
0:25 Hummel keeper, first down at the 27, OOB.
0:17 Hummel draw to the 13, flag - PF face mask, Lynx.  Ball at the seven.   Time out Rose-Hulman.
0:07 Key loses a few yards on a sweep to right side.  28 yd FGA ... kick good! 

Rose takes a 16-13 lead with 0:02 remaining!  Lynx can't make the laterals work so Rose-Hulman wins.  Congrats Engineers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on October 08, 2005, 05:45:25 PM
Rose-Hulman   16    Rhodes   13   Final ................Sweet !!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2005, 05:54:43 PM
Quote from: sampa on October 08, 2005, 05:30:13 PM
Reply to Pat Coleman: alright, so Huntingdon's is actually in its 3rd year, but only the second year with their current coach, Mike Turk.They went 0-7 first year playing most of their games on the road and having a hard time scheduling anybody to play them. Not sure if Trinity has scheduled a return visit next year, but if so, Huntingdon's chances will be good for a win with only two seniors on this year's team. Also, since  they are the only D-III team in the entire State, and very few D-III teams, if any, in Florida and Georgia, which are heaving recruited areas for them, they will only get better over time. If there is such a thing as a moral victory, HC got one today. :-X

Thanks. I am aware of the Huntingdon program and the state of Division III in the sourtheast. It's what I do. :)

I just figured the radio guy should have more of a clue. Shouldn't be spreading misinformation. Duane Trogdon's year as head coach still counts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 08, 2005, 05:57:30 PM
the biggest difference between the first and second halves, from the standpoint of someone in the stands:  TU missed a lot of tackles in the first half, and seemed to have trouble getting into the correct defensive alignment before the snap (I could hear a TU coach yelling about that) which led to all of Huntingdon's points.  They seem to have ironed out all the wrinkles at halftime, because the only big play for the Hawks after that was a 25 yard catch on 3rd down on a perfectly placed pass by Huntingdon's QB.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 08, 2005, 06:42:21 PM
ttu719803 and Bonzo,
Also was at the game; the Tigers did call a VERY conservative game but 42 carries for 189 yards = 4.5 yards per, thats darn good for most any Trinity team. What's missing, the passing yardage (mileage) from the past?

The Hawks did give the Tigers a whale of a game; when does HC play the other Tigers (DPU)---cough? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2005, 07:11:08 PM
etg, I think that DPU plays Huntingdon when the Hawks are invited to join the SCAC. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 08, 2005, 10:15:37 PM
I believe that Huntingdon has exhausted its SCAC schedule for 2005.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 11:07:23 PM
I heard him talking about HC being in it's second year too. Sounded like he was talking to someone and not realizing he was on the air but I am not sure what he was thinking. It was also irritating that he spent the whole second half talking about next week's homecoming game against SAGU. Um, we play Colorado College next week.
So, Pat and others, does today's loss pretty much kill our chances at a playoff spot or could we still get in there by winning our last four and getting some help along the way?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2005, 11:14:03 PM
hawks88, Huntingdon is in Pool B.  We must look for the outcome of the members of the Pres AC, the ACFC and the Northwest Conference to compare how you will stack up for the 4th Pool B bid.

Please follow the Pool B message board on the General Football page.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 12:48:34 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 08, 2005, 11:07:23 PM
So, Pat and others, does today's loss pretty much kill our chances at a playoff spot or could we still get in there by winning our last four and getting some help along the way?

You need help.  You only have eight D3 games, and that's all that the selection committee is going to consider.   7-1 would not be as impressive as 9-1, and the teams you are fighting for those last spots are going to be 9-1.  Also, the SCAC teams you defeated all lost today, meaning your QoW index is going down.  QoW is one of the keys the NCAA looks at.   Don't think it's going to happen this year unless a lot of the other Pool B contenders lose twice.  You could get thrown into Pool C, but even then you are going to have problems competing with one-loss teams. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 12:52:52 AM
BTW for anyone who didn't hear on the broadcast, HC bused to the Trinity game.  That's 830 miles, folks, and they were going straight through after dinner tonight.  Ouch. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 10:40:51 AM
San Antonio Express-News story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA100905.12C.FBCtrinity.gamer.34585bc.html) on the Trinity win.  Cannon is listed as having suffered a concussion.

Montgomery Advertiser story (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20051009/SPORTS/510090347/1002) on the Huntingdon loss.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 09, 2005, 11:56:11 AM
My lynx have 4 losses by a total of 16 pts.  Many might (and one guy on this forum did) think that this shows a problem with coaching. 

I view this from a different perspective.....This team is going to accomplish great things in the very near future.   They are extremely young and the timing etc of the offense is going to get better. 

The defense has shown improvement every week, just looking for a complete 60 minute game.

Keep fighting Lynx,  and this thing is gonna turn around!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2005, 12:55:07 PM
Ron, how good is Huntington?  Did I read correctly that this is their 3rd year.  Seems like a good performance for a new program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2005, 03:37:19 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2005, 12:55:07 PM
Ron, how good is Huntington?  Did I read correctly that this is their 3rd year.  Seems like a good performance for a new program.

Coach Turk (in his second year at a third year program) has done a very good job with the Hawks.  They are young (2 seniors) and should be very tough next year.  Probably shouldn't have won the Rhodes game but got the turnovers to make it work.  I think they are ahead of where UMHB was in their third year, and they have all of AL and FL to recruit in without much competition.  Golson, the QB seems to have a nice touch on the ball and a fine WR in Colson.  Hopefully I didn't get that backwards. 

I wasn't at the game, just listened on the radio.   Trinity did a lot of short passing, I don't know if the DBs were giving the TU WRs a big cushion.  It sounds like they react very, very well once the ball is thrown.   The Hawks defense seems to be of the "bend but don't break" variety.  TU had the ball in the red zone five times but had only one TD and three FGs to show for it.   Wish I could have been there, it sounded like a perfect day for football. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 09, 2005, 06:37:20 PM
Yea, the Huntingon DB's were giving a lot of cushion to the TU WR's, I guess they saw what the Tigers did to TLU.  They played off pretty good, and most of TU's completions were on shorter routes like curls.  Trinity only tried to go deep twice that I remember, and their longest completion was for like 30 yards. 

The Huntingdon DB's were extremely athletic.  They have some serious talent, and that team is going to be a force to reckon with next year if they can keep the same core of players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 09, 2005, 08:39:28 PM
Wabash definitely thought Huntingdon would build quickly. We played them their first season (thanks to Kenyon's chicken move) and they impressed many of the fans.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 10, 2005, 11:17:16 AM
I'll echo smedindy's thoughts here.  Huntingdon impressed me when I saw them in '03.  Huntingdon actually scored the program's first touchdown (and first points I believe) at Wabash.  I was fortunate enough to see history that day. :) 

But seriously, the biggest difference I see between Huntingdon and some of the bottom feeders that lurk in the NCAC is numbers.  Take a look at Huntingdon's roster...they have 75 or so players which means plenty of depth.  They also seem to have a coaching staff committed to staying and building the program.  They have little competition for recruiting D-III athletes in that area.  It's a situation that's ripe for a rapid rise.  I think Huntingdon will be a playoff team before much longer. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2005, 11:56:57 AM
And that's 75 players with only three classes playing.  They'll be up around 100 next season.  Pretty danged impressive for a school with under 700 full-time students (631 according to Huntingdon's page on this site).  HC wanted to add FB to increase their male enrollment, but they are certainly having a lot of success at the same time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2005, 12:15:57 PM
The Huntingdon campus is located in a beautiful old neighborhood in Montgomery.  Lots of restoration starting to take place nearby.

As for the D3 model in the South, Shorter GA (NAIA) has added football and is driving to Tennessee and Kentucky for games.  LaGrange starts next year, but there are few football-playing NAIA schools in the region.  The D2's have been successful and Troy U thinks it can play with the big boys.  Will Oglethorpe see this and want to add football?  Is Oglethorpe to Atlanta what Trinity is to Texas and San Antonio?  A great academic school where strong student athletes can get a good education?  (See Director's Cup!)

This should provide visibility for D3 in the South, and D3football.com will help.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 05:57:49 PM
Ron did they add football to attract more male students?  I know it had an impact at TLU, both when they dropped football and when they brought it back.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 10, 2005, 06:59:14 PM
What about UMHB???  Weren't they an all girls school that went co-ed and added football almost simultaneously?  Seems like about '98.  Can anyone (Ralph???) help me out with the details?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 10, 2005, 07:25:17 PM
History major, you are correct.  That's about when they added football.  I'm not sure when they went co-ed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2005, 07:51:43 PM
UMHB went co-ed in 1971.

http://www.tsha.utexas.edu/handbook/online/articles/UU/kbu5.html



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 10, 2005, 08:07:02 PM
Ralph,
Re: your Post #6282
IMHO; conversely, Huntingdon joins the SCAC when DPU once again joins RHIT.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 10, 2005, 08:43:22 PM
Historymajor,

MHB allowed male students on a limited basis prior to 1971, but they worked on campus for the priveledge of going to school and they could not earn a degree.  In 71 the school went coed.  For as long as I have been associated with MHB they have had male and female sports (my brother graduated from MHB in 86, so it has been a while), and in the 90's MHB sent a basketball team to the NAIA D1 national basketball tournament and had a baseball team finish 2nd in the NAIA World series.  But even with successful mens programs the mix of Female to Male students was roughly 75% to 25% (great mix if your trying to find a wife! That's where I met mine)  Football was added to help  that ratio, but it still something like 65% women.  The history of football at MHB is also interesting if you consider that the first football game was a Purple vs Gold (i think those were the colors they used) 6-man game brought on because students wanted a homecoming football game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 11, 2005, 01:23:34 PM

Given the whole concept that the NCAA wants to reduce travel costs in the first round, what does anyone consider the likelihood of Trinity visiting Hardin-Simmons in the first round should both teams win out?  Unless they have a really strong SCAC showing, I can't imagine that they would get a very high seed even as the SCAC champs considering how less than dominant they've been. 

I ask because I'm stuck in Lubbock for the semester and I know I can get to Abilene, but really nowhere else without flying. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2005, 02:20:37 PM
IF the ASC gets two seeds (less likely than it was before last weekend, but still very possible):

"Dominance" doesn't really play into account.  If Trinity wins out it'll have a decent QoW index especially if Huntingdon can keep winning (and TLU can pick it back up after last weekend's disaster].   Not having played another playoff team won't help, tho. 

If the ASC doesn't get a pool C (a one-loss UMHB or ETBU would be contenders at this point), then yes, Trinity, if it wins out, goes to Abilene in week one.   DePauw has the advantage right now in the scenario where TU should lose a game and DU wins out; it's possible, but not certain, that an 8-1 Trinity would get a Pool C bid.  Start pulling for Huntingdon and TLU if Trinity should lose a game.

ETBU wins out, who knows how they would seed them.   They would be 9-0 in D-III play and if another ASC team gets a pool C would have defeated another playoff team.  That might be enough to push them to a higher seed than even an undefeated Trinity in which case the first scenario above would apply.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 11, 2005, 03:14:59 PM

Ron,

Read your email.  I just sent you something. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 11, 2005, 04:39:57 PM
MHB8904... thanks for the 'history lesson'.  In their short but highly productive history, has UMHB ever hosted an NCAA playoff game? 
Are they eligible to host, or does playing at Belton HS not qualify them to host?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2005, 05:36:40 PM
Quote from: historymajor on October 11, 2005, 04:39:57 PM
MHB8904... thanks for the 'history lesson'.  In their short but highly productive history, has UMHB ever hosted an NCAA playoff game? 
Are they eligible to host, or does playing at Belton HS not qualify them to host?

They can host - the stadium is nicer than many other facilities I've seen.  UMHB has had the misfortune of being the lesser (eg higher-numbered) seed in every playoff game they have participated in. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 11, 2005, 07:44:43 PM
And yes, they have lost some playoff games. DANG IT!! :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 11, 2005, 09:10:37 PM
According to "Hoyle":

#1 hosts #8, #2 hosts #7, #3 hosts #6, #4 hosts #5  (each pairing totals 9)

The NCAA does not always follow this scheme, but if they "just would"  a #2 or #3 or #4 TU (I don't see Trinity below a 4th seed) could host a #7 or #6 or #5 DPU (I don't see DePauw above a 5th seed). IMHO, this is a game that the South Region (maybe all of D3) really wants to see being played. Again, I feel it might be fair to expect DPU to pick-up their own travel expenses (pocketed from schedule before) for such a game? Even if the NCAA pays for everything, it is still a game that should be played.  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2005, 01:57:21 AM
Quote from: etg on October 11, 2005, 09:10:37 PM
According to "Hoyle":

#1 hosts #8, #2 hosts #7, #3 hosts #6, #4 hosts #5  (each pairing totals 9)

The NCAA does not always follow this scheme, but if they "just would"  a #2 or #3 or #4 TU (I don't see Trinity below a 4th seed) could host a #7 or #6 or #5 DPU (I don't see DePauw above a 5th seed). IMHO, this is a game that the South Region (maybe all of D3) really wants to see being played. Again, I feel it might be fair to expect DPU to pick-up their own travel expenses (pocketed from schedule before) for such a game? Even if the NCAA pays for everything, it is still a game that should be played.  8)

In the event that both teams make the playoffs, DU is probably not assigned to the same bracket (and there aren't really regional-based brackets anymore, anyway).  Cost of travel  issues will take precedence over "official" region assignment.

DU could be a higher seed than TU if DU won out (Pool A) and TU did not (Pool C).  TU needs to get the offense going. 

To be honest, I don't think too many people outside of the SCAC have this scenario on their radar, etg.  Certainly Trinity and DePauw fans do. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 12, 2005, 09:16:54 AM
I don't think the NCAA would make DPU pay for a first round trip to S.A.  I would like to see that matchup in the first round - it would be a good game, and DePauw would finally get to play in S.A. when the heat isn't a factor.  I still think that the SCAC should step in and make DePauw come to San Antonio next year during the regular season to even it out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 12, 2005, 10:51:42 AM
I'm still convinced if DPU and Wabash make the playoffs, then they will meet in a first round or second round matchup.  Just because the NCAA can do that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2005, 12:46:37 PM
Smed, I think that they would not ask them for a rematch in Week #12, the first playoff round, if reasonably possible, but 2nd round logically.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jyoung on October 12, 2005, 04:57:17 PM
Are there anything to the fact that Mississippi College may be moving to the SCAC next year. MC is playing Lagrange next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2005, 05:17:58 PM
Lagrange isn't a SCAC member.

I'd be surprised to see MC leave a conference with draconian travel requirements for one that is worse.  It would get the Millsaps-MC rivalry going again, tho.  At $42,2M, the school's endowment would be the smallest (IIRC) of any football-playing school in the conference.  Academics seem compatible. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 12, 2005, 05:29:12 PM
I believe alot of the talk around MC is going back to DII, not moving DIII conferences.  It is a good school, but not sure its academics would garner a SCAC reputation.  The decision to end the Millsaps/MC game only 5 years after it began again is still beyond me, but the idea of signing another contract and then MC moving back to scholarships may have scared the Majors off.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jyoung on October 12, 2005, 05:47:54 PM
There is something underway, just not sure what. The move to D11 is all but dead, they stated at a meeting early in the year it would take an additional one million per year to make that move, and it was just not going to happen.

I don't see the travel statment, nothing is worse than sitting on the out side of the ASWC and riding in one case 17 hours to play ball.

Take a closer look it would be a good fit for the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2005, 06:53:09 PM
JW, would Mississippi College move to the Great South AC?  They would make the 6th team and make it an official conference.  They and Maryville might be the dominant forces in the Pool B for men's basketball and be very strong Pool B candidates in other team sports.  They could affiliate in the other sports as desired.  The travel issues would be a wash.  MC would be able to fill a schedule with fewer hard games than now (against the ASC which is getting stronger).  UT-Tyler will be the dominant force in the East in every force they sponsor.

Travel is still an issue, but Jackson/Clinton is in the middle of D3 nowhere (by bus).  It is 420 miles to Atlanta, and 450 to Nashville and 280 to Montgomery.

I was surprised that a Baptist school as old and distinguished as MC has only a $42 M endowment!  The World-com meltdown surely hurt the prospects that were anticipated back in the dot com days.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 12, 2005, 07:16:09 PM
Ralph, Ralph, Ralph,,,, you're letting your unwaving love for McM cloud your perception of the rest of the DIII world.  I don't know much about MC,,, but I know other alums (other than Ebbers) and they seem like class individuals.
As for the endowment,,, well pi$$ off a few thousand Baptists and you've got a big endowment!
Why don't we let the SCAC sort it out and we'll all check back later.  The BIG ASC seems to be in something of a realignment... bigger isn't always better!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2005, 07:28:34 PM
Historymajor, the WorldCom HQ was across I-20 from MC!

My thoughts were that many of those MC alums had known Mr Ebbers for years and probably had large portions of their portfolios tied up in WorldCom.  How many of our Dallas friends have large positions in Southwest Airlines, EDS, Texas Industries?  From those families was where I thought MC would get large gifts.

I wish that the ASC could add 3-4 members to get to 2 full conferences and keep AQ's for both!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 12, 2005, 08:33:57 PM
If wishes were horses, Ralph....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 12, 2005, 09:13:03 PM
Ralph,,, bigger is not always better... if you know what I mean..
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2005, 10:12:43 PM
History major,  I know that very well.  The SCAC is going towards 12.  I suspect that the ASC tried to grow enough so that it could split into a couple of 8-10 team conferences, especially with the departures of UDallas and Texas Wesleyan which would have given us 18.

We know that UT-Permian Basin is exploring D2 or D3, but I hope that they go D2!

If I am the MC athletic director, I might be tempted to consider whether I get more post-season bids as a Pool B in the Great South AC...my Lady Chocs haven't made the tourney in nearly a decade, a HSU HPU thing, and I only seem to be falling farther behind in football.  Do I would prefer to put together a South Region independent schedule with the LaGranges, Maryvilles and Sewanees without the UMHBs, HSUs, and HPU's?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jyoung on October 13, 2005, 12:04:56 PM
Ralph

You know all, we depend on you, what is going on at MC. Why would the Lagrange game be set for Oct 14. Most of the time out of conference games are the first one in the year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2005, 12:21:51 PM
Quote from: jw on October 13, 2005, 12:04:56 PM
Why would the Lagrange game be set for Oct 14. Most of the time out of conference games are the first one in the year.

With the departure of Austin College, the ASC will only have 9 football-playing members next season.  Teams need to schedule two non-conference games and thus you'll see more flexible schedules than in seasons past.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 13, 2005, 02:19:21 PM
JW, if that was the nature of your comment then there may not be anything happening at MC and they will stay in the ASC fold.  That was the AC "open" date!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jyoung on October 13, 2005, 03:05:50 PM
There you go, simple as that, enjoyed the conversation from all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 13, 2005, 09:09:58 PM
Bonzo,
IMHO, if both Trinity and DePauw qualify for the playoffs they WILL meet in the 1st round; the NCAA Playoff Selectors would not want the "football lowly" SCAC to possibly have two teams move into the 2nd round? Also, the NCAA (not only the SCAC) knows that the game SHOULD be played a lot more than a second DPU game with Wabash (even this website is still carrying the TU vs. DPU final score as OPEN)?

Ralph,
The SCAC 12 ???---Add: Mississippi College, Huntingdon, Colorado College
                                 (They want into the SCAC, and have proven that travel is
                                   no BIGGIE.)
                        Delete: DePauw
                                     (They want to stay regional, and rejoin RHIT.)












                                   


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: patcummings on October 13, 2005, 10:20:37 PM
Not sure if there are any regular Centre posters on here, or people who see Centre for that matter...but I will be at Centre for their homecoming game against Maryville. 

For those who don't know, I cover the Mid-Atlantic, in which Maryville is a member, albeit on the fringe of the region.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 13, 2005, 11:00:13 PM
DPU/Rhodes at 12:30 Saturday.  www.wgre.org (http://www.wgre.org)

I've learned some of you (not all) Trinity folk make some pretty vague assumptions about Depauw.  As long as Bob Bottoms is University President, DePauw is NOT (I repeat...not) leaving the SCAC. 

Pres. Fran Lucas at Millsaps is his boy or something.  I guess they were like college roomates or something.  That's the rumor.

Don't know where DPU would go.. not the HCAC.  The reason they left for the SCAC a few years back is because of those crappy Indiana teams like Manchester, Anderson, and Franklin that aren't very good in a lot of sports (a lot of teams didn't have women's sports at the time..but that's really here nor there).  The NCAC didn't want them once, and I'm not sure that's changed.  They're happy with Witt, Wooster, Wabash, OWU.  Not sure another high-quality team (in some sports..not all) would be the answer. 


A lot of the administration has towed the company line about changing conferences, and said it's just too darned bad that we can't play the Engineers anymore in conference, but we'll still play 'em.  Same thing happened when DPU & Wabash split conferences.  Everybody thought that the Earth would stop rotating around the sun if those two teams weren't in the same conference.  Rose plays us before Monon, and it's their Bell Game.  They took a team picture under the scoreboard when they beat us at their place 2 years ago.  I don't think anything changes.  When Bottoms isn't in charge...maybe.  Until then, unfortunately, DPU will still be playing Trinity every year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2005, 12:04:37 AM
Quote from: patcummings on October 13, 2005, 10:20:37 PM
Not sure if there are any regular Centre posters on here, or people who see Centre for that matter...but I will be at Centre for their homecoming game against Maryville. 

For those who don't know, I cover the Mid-Atlantic, in which Maryville is a member, albeit on the fringe of the region.

Pat,

No, I don't think we've seen any Centrites this season.  Would be very interested on your thoughts regarding Centre, not that I expect Maryville to give them much of a game.  They are 5-1 and still have both DPU and TU on the schedule. 

Glad you're able to get to Danville for a game.  It's a lot closer to you than it is me (I think!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2005, 12:13:43 AM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on October 13, 2005, 11:00:13 PM
As long as Bob Bottoms is University President, DePauw is NOT (I repeat...not) leaving the SCAC. 

Pres. Fran Lucas at Millsaps is his boy or something.  I guess they were like college roomates or something.  That's the rumor.   (End of quote)

I messed up this quote post.....

My response....

  Boy....this could be a good one....Bob Williams (a male) and Frances Lucas (a female) roommates in college????.....ain't that somethin'!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 14, 2005, 11:52:11 AM
That's the story I've heard.  Wasn't aware that Lucas was a she....makes it a little more interesting I suppose.  Nonetheless...good ol' Bob is really good friends with a lot of Presidents in the SCAC (not including Lucas) and isn't going to give them the shaft for some midwest conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 14, 2005, 02:30:24 PM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on October 14, 2005, 11:52:11 AM
Wasn't aware that Lucas was a she....

To be quite frank, we sometimes wonder ourselves DPU  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: patcummings on October 14, 2005, 08:04:57 PM
Centre is definitely better on paper...but this is quite a rivalry allegedly.  The two are 27-27-1 in their 55 meetings since 1906.  I know the MC folks look at it like a huge rivalry as they have played frequently...much more so than their USAC rivals.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreDad on October 15, 2005, 06:40:46 AM
This week will be interesting how Centre responds, not only is it Homecoming with all of its distractions (and hopefully motivation :)), but it was midterm week as well. 

Last week in the first half was the first time all year that both sides of the ball showed up at the same time and it was pretty effective against Millsaps.  Hopefully it will continue today against Maryville.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 15, 2005, 01:17:11 PM
Yeah, I get phone calls from Pat Cummings from all sorts of interesting places. He travels pretty much all the time for his day job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 03:10:22 PM
Defensive struggle so far in Greencastle.  DePauw capitalizes on an interception, going 61 yards in 12 plays to go up 7-0 with 5:35 left in the first half.

The two QBs are a combined 3-of-12 so far. 

At the half, Huntingdon is up 28-14 on Colorado College.  Hawks gave up a TD with time expiring in the first half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 03:33:05 PM
DePauw's live stats quit working, got on the broadcast.  At the half it's still 7-0.   Jeremaiah Marks (RB) is apparently out and the announcers say that's causing lots of problems for the offense.  223 yards total offense in the first half (both teams combined).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 03:41:13 PM
Maryville scores with 25 seconds left in the first half.  New kicker for Maryville coverts his first collegiate PAT.  Centre 7, Marville (TN) 7. 

Good return by Centre (to midfield) and a pass gets it down failry close.  Gardner misses a 42-yd FGA as time expires. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 04:00:43 PM
Rhodes must not have a field goal kicker, because on 4th and 4 from the DPU 22 they go for it on the first drive of the second half (and don't get it). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 15, 2005, 04:01:37 PM
 Bfb,

Live stats should be up again for DPU/Rhodes.  I appreciate you checking out the broadcast.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 15, 2005, 04:07:16 PM
Marks was ill in the first half..but has made a miraculous appearance in the 2nd half... still 7-0 DPU
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 04:07:50 PM
Yep, they are, thanks.  I'm bouncing from broadcast to broadcast today. 

Looks like Rhodes has replaced their starting QB (Justin Sealand, 3-8-1 10 yds in the first half) with Chandler Bares. Unfortunately on yet another fourth and short deep in DPU territory, Bares was intercepted and DePauw has the ball at midfield. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 04:14:47 PM
Centre drives down to inside the Maryville 20, instead of trying a FG go for it on fourth down and do not covert. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 15, 2005, 04:38:54 PM
Hunter Tigert 43 yd FG... 7-3 DPU w/ 4:00 in the 4th
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 15, 2005, 04:49:55 PM
DPU 7 RC 3 F from Blackstock. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2005, 05:59:04 PM
Wow, a whole lot closer than I expected.   Sounds like DPU played down to the level of their opponent today.  If Rhodes kicks FGs instead of always going for it on fourth down it might have been a different outcome.  Congrats to DPU on the win, though.

Rose-Hulman got another big road win today, congrats Engineers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldrosie on October 15, 2005, 07:50:35 PM
  WAY  TO  GO  ROSE !!! 

Nice win again in the last year of SCAC play ......

better yet , a year in which everyone picked you DEAD LAST !!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: patcummings on October 15, 2005, 07:56:38 PM
Centre played well enough just to win today.  Lots of mistakes...most notably fumbles when you wouldn't expect em.  Perfect conditions, etc. 

The defense is real good, especially the d-line.  Never gave the MC QB a chance to operate his offense. Maryville, based on what I saw today, is better than a 1-6 team.

Centre's SOS increased today when W&L beat Hampden-Sydney.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 16, 2005, 06:55:33 AM
Ron,

"Sounds like DPU played down to the level of their opponent today."

Nice analysis there!  Rhodes has been in every game they have played.  They have lost 5 games by an incredible 20pts total.  On offense they have made youthful mistakes at critical times but there defense has been solid.  They have also been in a position to win every game they have played.  There are no real excuses for lack of execution, but this team is on its way up.  I really hope the "all Trinity, all the Time" board" here overlooks the Lynx on the 29th.  It might be a long silent trip home to San Antonio.

I don't think DPU played down at all, Rhodes has a good team they just have come up short. 

D/L OUT
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2005, 03:55:45 PM
Sorry, Lynx, but "a good team" just doesn't come up short in five of six games.    You've gotta execute sometime.    Maybe you will in two weeks.

Congrats to Huntingdon who piled up 554 yards on their way to an easy 56-21 win over Colorado College.  The Hawks won despite being penalized 15 times ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 16, 2005, 07:08:24 PM
I'd say DPU might have played down to Rhodes a little bit, but Rhodes (despite their record..and, yes you're right Bfb, great teams don't do that) is one of the best 1-5 teams I've seen. 

I do agree that if RC would have kicked, they would have won.  Tigert has hit some longer ones over the past couple of years, and I was surprised that they kept going for it from the 25-30 yard line.

The rotating QB scheme is puzzling for the Lynx as well.  They rotated several times right in the middle of a drive.  There was no rhyme or reason to who was the QB, and they interchanged at will.  There were more than a couple moments in that game when I scratched my head about the decision-making on the visiting sideline.

DPU is really banged up, and missing some key players on offense.  Rhodes played good enough to win, but when DPU needed a stop, the defense stepped up and got it.  The DPU front 4 is frightening.  Dustin Hertel will probably be POTW this week, after having an INT,  a sack & 12 tackles.  Good luck next week to the Millsaps OL & QB(s), they're probably going to need it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on October 16, 2005, 08:55:57 PM
There are reasons behind all the decisions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 16, 2005, 11:00:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 16, 2005, 03:55:45 PM
Congrats to Huntingdon who piled up 554 yards on their way to an easy 56-21 win over Colorado College.  The Hawks won despite being penalized 15 times ...

Thanks Ron,
Kind of nice to be at a place where you aren't real satisfied with a 56-21 win. Way too many penalties for HC and a couple of breakdowns on defense in the second quarter had it at 28-14 at the half and CC fired up thinking they had a chance. But HC was able to wear them down pretty quickly since CC only has 35 players.
Boy, our strength of schedule sure took a hit this week, huh? Everybody we play lost except Trinity who was open and Westminster, Mo who got a win. That sure can't help the old Pool B chances.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2005, 12:26:51 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 16, 2005, 11:00:35 PM
Boy, our strength of schedule sure took a hit this week, huh? Everybody we play lost except Trinity who was open and Westminster, Mo who got a win. That sure can't help the old Pool B chances.

Yeah, I am thinking that HC needs a lot of help (e.g. losses by teams like Thiel who very easily could have lost yesterday, etc.) to get a Pool BC.  Just keep winning and hopefully the rest will sort itself out.  If not, you certainly have a great start to build on next season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DesertLynx on October 17, 2005, 04:55:04 AM
DPU

"DPU is really banged up, and missing some key players on offense."

#1 I enjoyed your broadcast from the other side of the world.

#2 RC is missing their starting QB and most productive WR.  They are banged up.

DL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 17, 2005, 07:09:19 PM
I think that was part of the reason that the game was so low scoring.  Both teams were without arguably their best player (Marks for DPU & Bozant for Rhodes).  Plus, these are two pretty good defenses.  Both are in the top 3 in the conference in nearly every defensive category.  It's no knock on Rhodes, they did play a good football game.  DPU had the momentum (and field position) after the Hertel INT, and scored the only TD of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 18, 2005, 05:07:54 PM
Sounds like Rhodes is a squad similar to some of ours in years past.  I remember some years where we served as wake-up calls for lots of ranked teams but weren't able to finish.  They've got a decent squad, but probably couldn't really be called a solid unit yet.  It'll happen, though.

How's this weekend's game vs. Centre looking, Radio?  Centre was always a VERY tough team when I was there; what's their squad like these days?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 18, 2005, 05:24:59 PM
Centre is always in the top half of the conference, but every time they play Trinity, they find out how far they are from being a playoff caliber team.  They have gone into the game with the Tigers undefeated or with one loss more than once in the last few years and have just gotten scorched.  Against the rest of the conference, they usually seem to be a few steps ahead.  I believe that this year they aren't doing as well, but they're a good opponent whether they win or lose.  In 2000, they gave Trinity their first conference loss in three years with a last second touchdown. 

They haven't come close since. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on October 18, 2005, 07:43:53 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 18, 2005, 05:24:59 PM
Centre is always in the top half of the conference, but every time they play Trinity, they find out how far they are from being a playoff caliber team.  They have gone into the game with the Tigers undefeated or with one loss more than once in the last few years and have just gotten scorched.  Against the rest of the conference, they usually seem to be a few steps ahead.  I believe that this year they aren't doing as well, but they're a good opponent whether they win or lose.  In 2000, they gave Trinity their first conference loss in three years with a last second touchdown. 

They haven't come close since. 

Quick question --

Does anyone have a commentary about Centre that doesn't actually have more to do with Trinity than it does the Colonels?  How about a little info on the Kentucky school's squad?  No offense to you Texans, but I've already heard a little bit about you guys on this board...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 18, 2005, 08:52:54 PM
Quote from: dpuinaz on October 18, 2005, 07:43:53 PM


Does anyone have a commentary about Centre that doesn't actually have more to do with Trinity than it does the Colonels?  How about a little info on the Kentucky school's squad?  No offense to you Texans, but I've already heard a little bit about you guys on this board...

It's not our fault that we are the only school with fans who actually post here!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 18, 2005, 08:55:43 PM
I think Centre looks (on paper) like the Centre from a couple of years ago.  They had a pretty bad year last year, but they look like a good football team.   They've got a great record, and some Sewanee fans told me that if the Colonels weren't REALLY injured when they went up on the mountain a couple weeks ago, they'd be 7-0 and the conference leader right now.  I don't know if that's true, but it might be worth noting.

They did beat an OK Wash & Lee team, and if your an NCAC fan, you'll note that they beat a Kenyon team that might just be atop that conference at season's end.  (It's a joke.. I'm kidding..I know.. Kenyon isn't playing Wabash or Witt...I got it..thanks)

With all that being said, they are playing Trinity.  Two years ago, Centre went into San Antonio with the same 6-1 record and got taken to the barn by a 52-7 count.  I think it will be closer than that this year, and if the Trinity team shows up that showed up against Huntingdon, it might be close.  

I don't own any Centre shirts or pennants, but I'm really tempted to buy some on ebay.  Come on Colonels.

Also DPU/Millsaps at 12:30 Saturday. www.wgre.org (http://www.wgre.org)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 18, 2005, 08:57:02 PM
Centre came closer than the score indicated last year.  They were up 12 I believe when that LB returned a pick for a TD, but they never scored again.  That last TD when the Tigers were trying to run out the clock made it look a little worse than it was.

Centre seems to be running the ball better this season than in years past.  Should be an interesting matchup on Saturday between the Black Flag and the Centre O.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 18, 2005, 09:00:20 PM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on October 18, 2005, 08:55:43 PM

...if the Trinity team shows up that showed up against Huntingdon, it might be close.  


The Trinity team that showed up against Huntingdon played their best football of the year.  Centre better hope that team doesn't show up!  You seriously underestimate Huntingdon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 19, 2005, 12:45:29 AM
Perhaps my word selection should not have been "team", and instead should have been "offense".

I certainly do not underestimate Huntingdon, sir.  I know Huntingdon is a good football team.  I think Huntingdon had a better chance to beat Trinity than any other team that they have played/will play in the regular season.  That being said, Trinity had a relatively hard time (for Trinity) moving the football.  Can somebody tell me the last time Trinity had less than 200 passing yards in back-to-back games?  Of course, I haven't seen TU this year, and in the post-Dan DesPlains era, things may be different.  I think Centre would LOVE to hold Trinity to 15 points.  Just about any team in the country couldn't be happier to hold TU to 15. 

It will be interesting to see how Centre's O holds up against the TU D.  Most years, not a lot of teams would want to get into a shootout with Trinity.  Again, not having seen the Texas Tigers this year, it's hard telling whether or not that would be a good thing for Centre.

I still don't know what to make of Trinity.  Maybe they're a defensive-oriented team all of the sudden.

In case you non-Trinity folk are curious, I struck out on ebay looking for a Centre shirt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 19, 2005, 01:08:39 AM
Austin College held TU to 14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 19, 2005, 09:16:23 AM
Coming into the year, everyone thought that the offense would have to carry the defense for a while while all the new starters on that side of the ball learned the ropes.  But it has been the other way around.  The defense has carried the offense at times (TLU, Huntingdon).  From what I've heard from the players, the Austin game would have been lopsided if not for turnovers in the red zone by the Tigers.

TU is not getting the insane stats of the past partly due to the loss of a real burner at WR like they've had in the past (Brailsford, Urban), in my opinion.  I can't really see anyone on this team with that kind of speed who also has such soft hands like those 2 did.  Hicks has that speed, but they never send him deep.  They also have been playing more ball control offense lately, running the ball over 40 times a game.  The TU offense has ony had 18 posessions (9 per game, which is unusual) in the past 2 games, and seem to be playing clock control rather than the air-it-out "score as quick as we can" approach in years past.  They are still moving the ball effectively, but it just takes longer to get down the field than in years past.  Couple that with an EXTREMELY athletic Huntingdon defense, and we all saw the result.  Thank the defense for that win!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2005, 09:36:34 AM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on October 19, 2005, 12:45:29 AM
That being said, Trinity had a relatively hard time (for Trinity) moving the football.  Can somebody tell me the last time Trinity had less than 200 passing yards in back-to-back games? 

It will be interesting to see how Centre's O holds up against the TU D.  Most years, not a lot of teams would want to get into a shootout with Trinity.  Again, not having seen the Texas Tigers this year, it's hard telling whether or not that would be a good thing for Centre.


Good thoughts, Radio Guy.  Thanks for being our Centre rep by proxy.  :)

TU seems more defensively focused this season, true, and they do have a new defensive coordinator.   At the same time, remember that (a) TU did have to go with a second-string QB in the entire second half against Huntingdon, mandating a more conservative passing approach, and (b) the game plan against an extremely quick Hawk secondary (which had 11 INTs in the four games before facing Trinity) was to throw short passes underneath the coverage.  At least, that's what I got out of listening to the game.  

It does seem that the Trinity passing juggernaut has been sent to the sidelines for the season.  The only big passing game the Tigers had was against TLU in week 2.  I was there; the TLU defenders were really jamming at the line of scrimmage, but the OL protection was excellent and gave Cannon the time to wait for his receivers to break open deep.  Coach Mohr said that the game plan was to take what the coverage was giving.   In the other games, Trinity has been making a concerted effort to run the ball. 

Centre likes to run the ball.  Adam Blandford has already been named SCAC Offensive PoTW twice and had over 220 yards last week alone.   Huntingdon, too, was a run-oriented team but did not have a back like Blandford.  If TU can contain Blandford (as it contained RHIT's Charley Key, the SCAC leading rusher) it will force Kevin Phelps to throw the ball more.  Phelps is a competent QB (second to Cannon in passing efficiency) who averages about 140 yards in the air and completes around half his passes.   The net is an offense that is scoring around 30 points per game, leading the SCAC.  

Defensively, the Colonels are a little more suspect and are allowing about 180 yards per game both on the ground and through the air.  Trinity's run defense has been quite good (under 90 yds/game) but the Black Flag has allowed ~200 yds/game through the air.   Centre LB Matt Johnson leads the conference with nearly 12 tackles per game; fellow LB Adam Hay is just outside the top ten with 7.1.  Jacob Coleman has broken up ten passes and intercepted two.  

Centre, like Trinity, is +3 in turnovers this season.

OBTW, Radio Guy, you can get your Centre t-shirt here (http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/cartershirts.htm)!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 19, 2005, 09:55:49 AM
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It's not our fault that we are the only school with fans who actually post here!   :)
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I beg to differ on that
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 19, 2005, 10:53:40 AM
OK, maybe I exaggerated a little  ;D

What's the word on Millsaps?  I thought they would be a force to reckon with after last seasons success.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 19, 2005, 01:35:08 PM
I beg to differ, too.....

Millsaps is hurt.  Every week they seem to have more injuries.  I'm not sure that they have played with a healthy offensive line at all this year.  The Majors' QB, Raymece Savage, has been banged up.....the back up is doing okay.....actually threw for close to 300 yards versus RHIT last weekend.  Savage actually played at receiver in that game.  I was under the impression that he was out for the year.....must just be that he is out for the year from under center.

The running game has been off track because Tyson Roy missed a couple of games.....

Defensively, they have endured a bunch of injuries, too.  The defense looked great against RHIT for the first half, but then things fell apart for them in the second half.

Plus, they are a very young team.....over half the players are freshmen and sophomores.

So, with all that said, they just haven't been very good.  Progress is slow sometimes I suppose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 19, 2005, 02:20:07 PM
That is not to say we did not expect some goods things coming out of Jackson this year.  The real key I think for the Majors is to do their best to finish this season on a strong note and then work hard to keep everyone healthy and around for next season.  In my playing time there, our biggest issues on the field seemed to arise from guys not sticking around after their freshmen and sophomore seasons.  For Millsaps to turn the program around, they have to keep seasoned guys on the team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 19, 2005, 08:09:32 PM
Ex-Major is right....we did expect a better team, and I'll not deny that we are disappointed.  And yes, finishing strong will go a long way! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2005, 09:14:23 AM
I see that DePauw is seeking the 500th win in program history this week.  That's quite a milestone!

San Antonio Express-News story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA102005.6C.FBC.LOCtrinity.173c4004.html) on Trinity notes that QB Jacob Cannon will start vs. Centre. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauw05 on October 20, 2005, 08:31:15 PM
Any thoughts on which DePauw team will show this week?  They appeared to be rolling until last week when they could not seem to get into any kind of rhythm against Rhodes.  Is Marks healthy?  If last week was any indication, as Marks goes, so go the Tigers. 

DePauw has a tough road ahead for sure.  Millsaps is athletic although very young.  Centre looks tough -- we'll find out just how good they are this weekend in San Antonio.  Rose is better than they have been in a long time and we're essentially their Monon Bell game so they will be up for it.  Wabash is rolling although untested yet for the most part.  The NCAC looks down this year, but scoring 40 points per game week in and week out is a feat regardless of who you're playing.

Should be an interesting next four weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2005, 11:35:00 AM
Marks is listed on the two deep, part of this week's DePauw game notes (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2005/notes/millsapsgamenotes.pdf).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 21, 2005, 01:46:35 PM
I'm unsure about the status of Marks for tomorrow.  I haven't heard anything in either direction.  I would assume that means the decision hasn't been made yet.

As far as what team shows up, I'd put money on Millsaps not scoring many points.  The DePauw D hasn't given up a TD since late in the Chicago game.  The offense has been the beneficiary of the D causing turnovers.  The offense has had some great field position the last two weeks.  DPU's longest scoring drive in the Sewanee drive was 52 yards.   

I think the offense will score more than 7, although it might not take a whole lot more than that. 


As far as the rest of the season goes, everybody will have a much better measure about Centre after this weekend.  RHIT is good, probably at least as good as they were when they beat DPU at their place two years ago.  They're sure not the last place team that they were picked in the pre-season. 

And of course there's Monon. If Wabash gets by Witt this weekend, they're probably not going to have a loss coming into the Bell game.  That'll be a big one if Trinity wins out, because DPU might (it's up for debate) have a chance at a Pool C if they can keep the Bell.  Although that's a ways off, and there's some good football teams on the schedule before then. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2005, 03:58:08 PM
Generally speaking, you don't list a guy on your two deep if he's questionable ...

With re DPU's chances for a Pool C:  win out and you're in.  There aren't going to be a whole lot of one-loss teams with better pedigrees (there will be some, but not six or seven).  A win over a Wabash team that could be undefeated when you meet and the narrow loss to what may also be an undefeated Wesley squad should be looked at favorably by the committee. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2005, 05:00:39 PM
I stand corrected.  According to an article in today's Banner-Graphic (http://www.bannergraphic.com/copy/sports/story4813.htm), Marks is indeed questionable for tomorrow's game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 22, 2005, 06:36:29 PM
Sewanee 20
RHIT 7

DePauw 51
Millsaps 14

Trinity 45
Centre 7

Looks like the top dogs are well on their way to undefeated conference records.  Big win for Wabash today to set up a very interesting Bell game in three weeks.  Curious to see if that game will have playoff implications.

RHIT - what happened?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 22, 2005, 09:17:53 PM

I heard the Trinity QB got yanked.  That's too bad because he has done some great things for the tigers.  If you're the coach, I guess you have to go with Blake against Rhodes. 

BTW, I went to the HSU/UMHB game today.  UMHB is awesome.  Physically, they are awesome.  Standing still next to HSU, it's like the big guys against the little guys.  If the tigers win out, let's just hope we don't draw the Crusaders again.  We don't have the firepower to overcome a focused UMHB right now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2005, 12:40:45 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 22, 2005, 09:17:53 PM

I heard the Trinity QB got yanked.  That's too bad because he has done some great things for the tigers.  If you're the coach, I guess you have to go with Blake against Rhodes. 

He threw two INTs in his first four passes.  I'm going to see if I can get some word from the coaching staff on next week.   Barmore from what I hear is the "running QB" of the two and 300 yds rushing from Trinity today ... who would have thought we would see a day when TU was held to < 90 yards passing and still wins by nearly 40 points.

Re HSU and UMHB ...

I too was at the UMHB-HSU game.  The Crusaders played extremely well, but I think HSU took them lightly after the HPU loss and it showed.  HSU QB Bernhard was very tentative today.  The UMHB game plan appeared to be blanket the receivers early, make Bernhard go to a second or third read, and by that time he was usually running for his life b/c the Crusaders were almost always sending at least 5 if not 6 or 7 on the pass rush.   

If you look at the stats, the main reason UMHB won is that they had exactly one drive over 50 yards.  Check out these drive stats:
* 5 plays, 51 yds
* 11 plays, 35 yds
* 6 plays, 28 yds
* 5 plays, 13 yds
* 6 plays, 29 yds
* 2 plays, 12 yds

HSU got caught up in the emotions and had a LOT of personal fouls (and one "spearing" penalty) that helped make these drives so dang short.   UMHB is a very good team that looked better thanks to never having to drive the ball more than half the length of the field (total yardage - 278 yards MHB, 235 HSU). 

HSU is not as awful as they appeared today.  Remember that Bernhard IS their second string QB - today things finally caught up with him.  They also are just getting Quentin Jones (the RB who had the bulk of HSU's yards, 80 on 5 carries) back from injury.  Without a consistent running threat, and since they got behind early, the Cowboys had no choice but to pass and that let UMHB tee off on the QB. 

Since it looks likely that HSU will get sent to Trinity if both win out, don't base your opinion of HSU on just this one game.   And, yeah, having to face UMHB is scary.  But they can be beat, as we saw a couple of weeks ago. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2005, 01:07:57 AM
On the road, Redlands gave #7 Occidental a ride but lose by seven.  Oxy scored a FG with under 2 minutes to go up 31-24.  Redlands got the ball to the Oxy 19, had two shots into the end zone but could not convert.   Will be interesting to see if Oxy plummets in the standings after a narrow win like Trinity did.   Probably not.    :(

DePauw's Pool C chances not helped by Wesley getting pounded 47-0 by Brockport State today.  Wabash also had their hands full before defeating Wittenberg 26-20. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2005, 10:44:17 AM
Quote in today's Express-News story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA102305.15C.FBCcentre.trinity.39d0b3e.html) from coach Mohr:  "Jacob was ready today, but was making bad reads," Trinity coach Steve Mohr said. "We've got a quarterback controversy."  

The TU defense was on the field for 22 minutes in the first half ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 23, 2005, 12:00:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 23, 2005, 12:40:45 AM
Barmore from what I hear is the "running QB" of the two and 300 yds rushing from Trinity today ... who would have thought we would see a day when TU was held to < 90 yards passing and still wins by nearly 40 points.

Barmore isn't just a running QB - he's pretty darn good throwing the ball too.  Everyone seems to be surprised that Trinity is winning without throwing the ball, but when you have 4 senior OL's and 2 senior RB's who are both all-SCAC (at one time or another), I would be runing the ball 40 times a game too.  The OL dominated for the tigers yesterday.  Once again, it seems like Centre came down to San Antonio with a winning record against some cupcakes and folded when they faced real competition.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 23, 2005, 07:46:41 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 23, 2005, 12:40:45 AM

HSU is not as awful as they appeared today.  Remember that Bernhard IS their second string QB - today things finally caught up with him.  They also are just getting Quentin Jones (the RB who had the bulk of HSU's yards, 80 on 5 carries) back from injury.  Without a consistent running threat, and since they got behind early, the Cowboys had no choice but to pass and that let UMHB tee off on the QB. 

Since it looks likely that HSU will get sent to Trinity if both win out, don't base your opinion of HSU on just this one game.   And, yeah, having to face UMHB is scary.  But they can be beat, as we saw a couple of weeks ago. 

I think MHB's game makes HSU more dangerous.  It gave Jordy a chance to experience some intense pressure, likely more than  he's seen all season.  Now, if I know Jordan, Jordan sits down with him and helps him process the film so that Jordy can make better decisions next time, maybe next game. 

Also, we saw what Quentin is capable of that TD was amazing, however, he will being seeing a big purple and gold 30 in his head for a long time after that shot he took. ;D  I think HSU regroups and rolls the rest of the conference schedule.  If MHB can do the same, and if they look like they did yesterday the rest of the schedule they will, maybe we get another 2nd Round rematch game this year ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 24, 2005, 11:30:48 AM
As it pertains to the Tigers running the ball so much...

Steve Mohr is as good of a coach as you are going to find.  The guy can see everything in slow motion at field level and has an answer for everything.  Obviously, the guy can recruit and has an eye for d3 talent, but all that aside, he wants to win and always adjusts for the betterment of the team rather than for his ego. 

I work with college coaches daily, some of them more successful than others, but nearly all of them so impenetrably self-centered that they can't stop tripping over themselves.  Steve Mohr is better than that and better than most.   Trinity's good in every sport, but in football, it's the coach more than the school. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreDad on October 24, 2005, 02:29:24 PM
Some thoughts on the Centre-Trinity game:

Trinity was able to wear down the Centre D-line in the second half, and when Phelps got injured at the beginning of the fourth quarter, the game got out of hand.

Had Centre been able to take advantage of its opportunities in the first half (first quarter in particular) and not had a couple fumbles, the game might have been much closer than Trinity would have liked.  I thought that if Centre scored on the opening drive that would have kept Trinity from pounding their bigger O-line on the Centre line.

Centre had opportunities while the game was still undecided, but just didn't make plays.  Some of the parents were a little rough on the officials, but even with some questionable calls (what game doesn't have them ;)), Centre just didn't make the plays they needed when they had the opportunity.  On the opening drive, a completed pass inside the five was called back for holding, but just prior to that, a open reciever across the middle was missed, it would have been a sure touchdown, so you can't blame the officials, just make plays!

Regardless, we had a wonderful time in San Antonio, my first visit.  Enjoyed the Mission Trail and the Riverwalk, wish we had a little more time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 24, 2005, 05:14:25 PM
Frankly, I wish I had seen Trinity play once or twice last year to have a better perspective on their offensive history.  That said, I have been very pleased to see them improve their running game over the course of this season.  Early on, it seemed there was little blocking and all rushing plays started slowly.  As a result, TU's excellent senior backs never got started.  As the season progresses, those problems seem to be getting fixed and both RB's are gaining some real ground.

Against Centre, the O-line opened up some great holes and were also picking off the LB's to allow JJ and Ray to get up some speed and gain significant yardage.  Once that's established, the receivers were open in short yardage and that made for a better balance.  In Jake's defense, his receivers dropped some easy ones, looking up from the ball before they had it tucked in.  Blake did a fine, steady job and looked calm and collected.

IMHO, it's time to release the hounds and see what Kelner, Hicks, Thompson, Byars and Kremers can do way downfield.  Would open up the space between the tackles even more that it already is.

Congrats to all the Tigers for showing that they can score frequently and in various ways.  Nice read & nice oskey, Shaun.  Some big hits by the Black Flag (Kownslar, Allen, Morgan, Barnhart & company) ... causing those fumbles made the difference in possession time and field position.  Some very hard driving hits kept the Centre players thinking twice about turning upfield without ducking.

Hard to complain at 6-0, that's for sure.  Keep up the good work on the road at Rhodes & Sewanee!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 24, 2005, 08:46:17 PM
Tigerdad... The passing game isn't/wasn't clicking... I don't know the personal dynamics of the thing,,, but Blake seems to be 'connecting' with the passing game better than 'Jake'.
I'm not tuned into the vibes, or the karma... but it seems like Blake commands a better game than Jake...  If you'all remember b/4 the season started... I referred to the Jake and Blake show...  well sometimes you have to ride the 'one that's running'.  I think it's a real luxury to have two (or more) quality QB's and be able to react to what's happening.... don't get me wrong, I'm not a committee, or platoon guy,,, but if you can change and react,,, depth is better than politics and seniority.

I hope that Jake and Blake (and JV QB's unseen) can lead TU to the playoffs,,, then we'll have a controversy (or not)...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on October 25, 2005, 02:40:01 PM
For any DePauw faithful interested, Monon Bell tickets are being sold tomorrow.

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/news.asp?id=16307
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2005, 03:42:48 PM
HistoryMajor ... yes, I am with you on the QB situation.  Frankly, there's probably only two guys (and their fans) who care who gets the nod.  With 17+ years of coaching experience, Coach Mohr must have seen them come and go ... whatever and whoever works to get the "W" is what counts.  As many individuals are participating, football still comes down to the best 11 guys on each side of the ball on any given day.  That's what makes it a great sport.  Here's to the coach(es) who can figure it out and keep it moving in the right direction.  It's nice to have fun, but it's funner to win.  That's what attracts more winners to the program and keeps TU at the top (or near it!)

Go Tigers ... keep it rolling on the road ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on October 25, 2005, 06:36:02 PM
Must've been some great defensive performances in the SCAC this week - 3 players from the conference named to d3football.com's Team of the Week.  Congrats to all of those guys.

As far as my TU Tigers go, I can't say I really care who is at QB, as long as the wins keep coming.  After watching Burton and Hampton TU fans are bound to need some time to adjust to an offense that doesn't prominently feature 4 and 5-WR sets, but TU has won running the ball in the past, and this team is proving that they can in the present and future.  I was a bit surprised by the Centre score - I expected them to be more of a test, even in San Antonio.  But with the Colonels in the rearview I think it's time the Tigers found another gear and got ready for whichever ASC team awaits them come playoff time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 26, 2005, 02:46:24 PM
Willystyle,

Are you trying to jinx the tigers?   We've been tripped up before with better teams.  Three games left is no time to start getting ready for a first round playoff game.  TU's in a delicate spot right now.  Did y'all know that each of the last two season's that Trinity has had to replace a quarterback, they've lost two games?  One in conference and one on the west coast. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2005, 05:32:09 PM
Been kind of quiet around here, let's try a poll ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 26, 2005, 10:48:43 PM
(El Tea Gray) (TU Passing Offense)

TigerDad, History, Willy:

I've been watching both Jake and Blake since workouts began back in August; both CAN throw, Jake throws the out-patterns better and Blake sees and throws downfield best. I agree with TigerDad that it's time to open up some North/South activity; not to say that both QB's should not be amply utilized (whoever that game has the most cylinders firing). The Tigers are not in the playoffs yet, but IMHO should they get there (Hope, Hope, Hope) the Offense needs much higher octane. I'm sure they can produce.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wildcat'64 on October 26, 2005, 11:37:14 PM
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If you have not cast your ballot you may do so by going to www.voteforheisman.com.
Your support for a D3 candidate for the Heisman will send a positive message to the nation.
Please cast your vote for Division III football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on October 27, 2005, 10:20:34 AM
TU2698 -

Not trying to jinx anyone, and I'm well aware of TU's recent history.  I was at Millsaps in 2000, and was listening on line in 2003 when Rhodes got the upset win.

I'm not suggesting they sit the starters, crank up the HSU-UMHB film, and not worry about the last 3 games here.  I'm suggesting that they start getting extremely focused and put these last 3 regular season opponents away in a manner that lets everyone know they're ready for the playoffs.

IMO, Centre was the last, best chance for TU to gauge itself heading towards season's end (a quality win over W&L, wins against Rhodes and Millsaps already, historically a good program that gives TU some competition), and the Tigers passed with flying colors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 27, 2005, 10:48:29 AM
From looking at the statistics for Rhodes, I would say that they will give the Tigers their toughest test so far.  Centre had the worst defense in the SCAC and was giving up major yards to sub-par teams.  Rhodes seems to have a solid defense (on paper)and only gave up 7 to DePauw and 16 to Huntingdon and held both teams to under 170 total yards of offense.  Their offense has had its share of struggles, but the defense has kept them in every game, and that Steinert kid is playing well.  The Tiger offense needs to show up ready to play on the road with the same intensity they came out with last week, otherwise this could be a repeat of '03 where the Tiger offense stunk it up and Rhodes' O did just enough to win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2005, 02:39:02 PM
The regional rankings were finally released (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php) by the AA.  South Region as it stands:

Name In-Region Overall
1. Trinity (Texas) 5-0 6-0
2. Ferrum 7-0 7-0
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor 4-1 5-1
4. Thiel 7-0 7-0
5. Bridgewater (Virginia) 4-1 5-1
6. Hardin-Simmons 5-1 6-1
7. Johns Hopkins 6-0 7-0
8. Salisbury 2-0 6-1
9. Washington and Jefferson 5-1 7-1
10. Wesley 4-0 7-1

Thoughts: 
- Ferrum #2?  PU.  These guys have beat nobody and have had trouble doing it at times.  I would put UMHB at #2, Thiel at #3, HSU, then maybe Ferrum. 
- Concerned that DePauw didn't even get in the top ten. 
- Wesley has no business being there after getting pounded last week.  No doubt that is why DPU isn't there (e.g. they lost to Wesley). 
- UMHB might finally get a home playoff game, unless the AA does something totally asinine like send them to Ferrum. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 27, 2005, 02:42:10 PM
I am surprised that DPU didn't get a mention either. Could be tough for a "C" now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2005, 11:19:52 PM
Bonzo, I was reveiwing some information for another post and saw that the Trinity Tigers earned their 100th victory over McMurry, 9-0, in Waxahachie on October 7th, 1939.

That was the first game of the Texas Conference season that year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 10:23:04 AM
Poll results:

Who will represent the SCAC in the playoffs?

Are you kidding?  Gotta be Trinity:  11 (42.3%)
No, I'm NOT kidding, and it's going to be DePauw:  0 (0%)
Trinity will win the conference, but DePauw will get a Pool C invite:  13 (50%)
DePauw will win the conference, but Trinity will get a Pool C invite:  1 (4%)
Bwahahaha!  Somehow either Centre or Rose-Hulman is going to win it all:  1 (4%)
   
Total Votes: 26
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 29, 2005, 10:33:50 AM
I'm predicting TU 38 - RC 20
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 02:18:50 PM
That's a pretty good defense in Memphis.  I'll take TU 24-14.

Huntingdon leads SAGU 3-0 early.  That was actually the third time the Hawks had scored on the drive; two TDs were called back due to penalties. 

Rhodes leads Trinity 3-0 early.  Cannon is the QB for TU. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on October 29, 2005, 02:29:29 PM
Can you listen to the Trinity game through a website?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 02:31:50 PM
http://www.krtu.edu, Dan.

Cannon finds Kelner for a 30-yd TD on the first play of the second quarter.  PAT is pulled left so it's a 6-3 lead. 

Rhodes return to near midfield.   

Trinity forces a turnover and is inside the 30.

Rhodes holds Trinity short on fourth-and-three from the 15.  Lynx ball. 

Three-and-out for Lynx, punt partially blocked, Tigers ball at the Lynx 34, 10:25.

Cannon naked bootleg for 12 yards and a score, 8:57 remaining.  PAT good, TU 13-3. 
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Post by: evacuee on October 29, 2005, 02:51:42 PM
Rhodes punts.
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Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 29, 2005, 03:05:55 PM
DPU 7 Centre 0 - Jason Murphy 14 yd run
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 03:06:30 PM
Cannon fumbles, picked up by Rhodes.  0:50 left, Lynx ball at the TU 43.

Sealand has time, Hatcher makes the catch at the TU 14. 0:36

No gain on first, two incomplete passes bring on Hunter Tigert.  Kick is good, 13-6 with 0:10 left.

MUC tied with BW 3-3 now in the third quarter ...

That's it for me. 
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Post by: DPU_radio_guy on October 29, 2005, 03:39:50 PM
14-0 DPU.  John Michels 47 yd TD catch from Ross Wiethoff.  DPU went 98 yards in 4 plays with 2:00 in the first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 29, 2005, 03:48:22 PM
Big time players make big plays.

Kelner makes a catch on 3rd and 17 then Valencia takes it in from 17 yards out on the next play.  Rhodes is about to punt.

20-6 TU
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 29, 2005, 04:21:48 PM

Centre throws interception inside DePauw's 10, Depauw punts.
14-0 DePauw in the 3rd

The rout is on in Memphis, 34-6.  Tiger defense is really, really good.  Offense you never can tell. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 29, 2005, 04:39:59 PM

Centre scores on 4th and 1 from the 1 early in the 4th quarter
DePauw 14, Centre 7

Final from Memphis
TU 34, RC 6
Cannon got yanked with 4:30 to go in the game, and Blake took them down to the 8 yard line when the clock ran out. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 29, 2005, 05:06:29 PM

Centre had the mo in a big way, but Depaw holds on 4th and G from the 6, final score 14-7.  Centre was inside the 10 three times in the second half.  Way to hang in there, Tigers...
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Post by: dpuinaz on October 29, 2005, 05:39:29 PM
whew....
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Post by: Hawks88 on October 29, 2005, 09:28:43 PM
Huntingdon gets a sloppy 45-13 win today. Didn't think it was ever going to get over with. Definitely a flag happy bunch of refs today. The two teams combined for 28 penalties for 336 yards. They finally put the flags away for the 4th quarter when we emptied the bench so that quarter moved along pretty well. Good to see everyone get to play though. HC getting awful thin at RB with a couple guys getting dinged up today. Played most of the 4th qtr with 4th string TE at FB and a WR at TB.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2005, 11:14:31 PM
One of the best road performances from Trinity in quite some while.  Good job by Jacob Cannon putting the last couple of weeks behind him.  Dustin Allen continues to be a monster on defense.  Second time in three weeks the defense has held the opponent around 60 yards total in the second half ... making good halftime adjustments, way to go coaching staff. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 30, 2005, 07:37:26 AM
BfB,,, I agree that the TU performance at Rhodes was a good one, but what is puzzling is that they still don't seem to have 'hit their stride'...  They still haven't hit on all cylinders... even when they are out of sync they seem to find ways to win.  The Black Flag has been the constant.  Holding teams like Rhodes to 6 points on two FG's is huge.  When the Tigers fire on all cylinders, I think they're capable of hanging 55 points on people and holding them to 10 or less...  That's something to look forward to,,, heading into November!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 30, 2005, 08:07:18 PM
The Rhodes Offense was nothing to write home about, from what I have heard.  But still, great job by the Black Flag.  The front four on defense had a monster day.  Keep it up Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 30, 2005, 08:14:39 PM
Regarding Trinity's offense, I didn't expect them to put up that many points on a solid Rhodes defense.  Steinert and Brunner were all over the place from what I heard on the radio.  I think the OL's wore them down like they did to Centre last week.  Sounds like the offense is starting to come together.  Scoring 40 points a game is no indication of getting an offense on track, historymajor - see '03 and '04 for examples.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2005, 04:08:43 PM
Re the Rhodes offense struggling this year - Mr. Swanstrom is a pretty hard guy to replace. 

Re the Rhodes defense - six sacks on the day.  I can't remember the last time a Trinity team gave up that many sacks.  Certainly not this year - had only allowed seven TOTAL before Rhodes. 

Congrats to Jacob Cannon and Donny Palmertree, named SCAC PoTYs for their performances last weekend.   

Interesting Trinity stat:  so far this year, outscored opponents 56-0 in the third quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on October 31, 2005, 08:14:33 PM
Thanks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 31, 2005, 08:26:33 PM
It's not all Swanstrom being gone...that offense has flaws in it, and it didn't help that their starting QB is still hurt.  That defense was the real deal, from what some of the guys told me.  Getting 5 sacks against the Tigers OL's is a pretty amazing accomplishment.  But, from what I've heard, Cannon held on to the ball too long on at least 2 of those sacks.  Still, it's a good sign that the Tiger offense moved the ball all over a solid D like Rhodes'.  Here's hoping they can keep it up against an improving Sewanee team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 02, 2005, 10:10:20 AM
Ahhhh,  cool mountain air,,,, leaves turning brilliant fall colors, and the Trinity Tigers matched up against the Sewanee Tigers... now that's fall football at it's best!

My prediction is TU rolling to 8-0 ,,,,  TU 34 - UoS 17
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 02, 2005, 02:55:03 PM

If Coach Mohr is driving the bus, I predict uh....

TU 74
Sewanee zip

I predict the same for the Bears and whomever they are playing this weekend
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 02, 2005, 03:34:41 PM
How about the Trinity Tigers vs. a hurricane...but the hurricane's name is "Steve."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 02, 2005, 06:14:26 PM
historymajor;

Make sure we get to see some fall leaves when you post those pictures this weekend!!  Still too green in South Texas!  Must be nice to visit Tennessee this time of year.  Y'all enjoy, y'hear?

Yell for those Tigers, for us, will you?  Bring back another "W".
Git 'r done, men.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2005, 10:25:13 AM
DePauw is ranked tenth in the latest regional rankings (http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii).  Trinity is still #1, UMHB #3, HSU dropped a place to #7, and bewilderingly Ferrum is still #2. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 03, 2005, 12:12:05 PM
ttu719803,

Good one!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 03, 2005, 07:24:43 PM
(El Tea Gray) (Home Away From Home?)

TU Volleyball           Nov. 4th, 5th and 6th               Sewanee, TN
TU Men's Soccer      Nov. 4th                                    Sewanee, TN
TU Women's Soccer  Nov. 4th                                   Sewanee, TN
TU Football                Nov. 5th                                   Sewanee, TN

WOW!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2005, 11:49:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on November 03, 2005, 10:25:13 AM
DePauw is ranked tenth in the latest regional rankings (http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii). Trinity is still #1, UMHB #3, HSU dropped a place to #7, and bewilderingly Ferrum is still #2.
 

Bonzo,  if Ferrum can pull it off, then more power to them.

If Ferrum players let it go to their heads, then Methodist or CNU will be very appreciative of the "psych-ops" job that the Selection Committee did on them! :)
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2005, 12:29:18 PM
Well, Ralph, you know I don't like seeing teams getting home games and easy games they don't deserve.  If Ferrum ends up #2 and HSU stays at #7 (not sure why they dropped this week, either) then HSU goes to Trinity (yeah, they go regardless) but Ferrum ends up the beneficiary playing a #8.  PU.

I was very happy to see Keith McMillian announce in today's Around the Nation (http://www.d3football.com/atn.php) that he will be covering this year's Monon Bell game (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/monon/index.asp).  My original plan was to cover the game, and there were even cheap airfares to let me do it.   I ended up having major church responsibilities the morning after the game, and there was a chance that I might get hung up and not be able to get back - there was only one flight that would let me cover the game and get back Saturday night.  So, regretfully, I passed on going.

In any case, it's better for DPU and Wabash to get coverage on a national level than on a regional, so y'all treat Keith right.   He's a better writer, too.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 04, 2005, 01:22:10 PM
Just be sure to tune into DirecTV 321 - or find a viewing party in your area - if you can.

http://www.wabash.edu/alumni/mononbell

There are parties in Dallas, Houston and San Antonio. Just be sure to wear RED!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 04, 2005, 07:10:20 PM
Ron, let's hope that the committee will give Ferrum a regional ranking that most of us can undertand.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 04, 2005, 08:45:22 PM
Ralph,,, Ralph, Ralph, now you're expecting East/regional bias to step back..... get a grip..... Just because Ferrum is the only (well almost) undefeated East team,,,, you don't suppose that they would get some kind of favorable bias?????
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Post by: smedindy on November 04, 2005, 10:54:34 PM
Funny, I think the people at Ferrum would plotz before they would be considered East.

And wouldn't the D-3 bias be western, anyway, with Linfield, Whitewater, etc???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 01:44:15 PM
Cameron Hummel's pass on the first play of the game picked off and returned 29 yards for a score.  He atones for it on the next series by carrying it 66 yards to tie the game.   

Rose tries an onside kick but DPU recovers, coverts a fourth-and-11 on the 28, 14-7 with 12:25 left in the first. 

Charlie Key fumbles, recovered by DPU, Tigers take over at the Engineer 22.  First play is a trick play, Brian Culp finds Weithoff for six, DPU up 21-7 with 12:07 still to play in the first half.  DePauw has scored as many points in the first three minutes of this game as in the last two games combined. 

Rose starts at their five after a holding penalty, can't do anything, DePauw takes advantage of the resulting short field.  With most of the work being done on the ground by Jeremiah Marks, DePauw now holds a 28-7 lead with 6:54 left in the first. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 02:15:19 PM
Trinity has an almost 90-yard drive to start the game but Cannon's pass is intercepted at the Sewanee 1.   Scoreless, 6:04 in the first. 

Sewanee can't move the ball and Trinity takes over at the 41.
Ray Valencia scores on a 26-yard run off the left side.  Trinity leads 7-0 with 2:29 left in the first.

KRTU just announced that Robin Kelner has a slight knee injury and is not returning punts today.

DePauw has a 79-yard drive with Jeremiah Marks scoring his second TD of the game.  Kick is blocked and DPU leads 34-7.

Rose can't do much, DePauw drives about 50 yards and gets a 28-yard Tyler Mallory field goal to increase the lead to 37-7 with 11 seconds left in the half.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 02:42:43 PM
Willie Horn 5 yd TD run with 12:18 left in 2nd Qtr. Huntingdon 7-Westminster 0.
HC moving the ball well but has 1 fumble lost and a missed FG. WC has about 20 yds offense so far.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 02:50:38 PM
Cannon fumbles and Sewanee takes over at the Trinity 22. 

Would not be surprised to see QB change on next series.  Cannon is not sharp after a good start. 

Sewanee gets it to the 3 but the Black Flag stiffens.  Sewanee 20-yd FG with 0:12 left closes the gap to 7-3. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 02:55:20 PM
Westminster drives down and is stopped on fourth and goal at the one.
Willie Horn goes 99 yds for TD to make it 14-0 Huntingdon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 03:11:32 PM
Westminster drives again and scores on a 4 yd pass to make it 14-7 with 2:25 left in half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 03:25:14 PM
Cameron Hummel has rushes of 30 and 44 yards in RHIT's first possession of the second half, the second for a touchdown, but the gap is still 37-14.  Hummel's 157 yards rushing account for the bulk of RHIT's offense (210 yards). 

Trinity and Sewanee about to start the second half, TU gets the kick to start the half and will start at their 15 after yet another penalty.  Cannon is still in at QB, I imagine he will have a very short leash in the second half.   Three straight rushes gain only nine yards and Sewanee will start at their 45 after the punt. 

DePauw comes right back, an eight-play drive with seven runs and an incomplete pass ends with an 11-yard Jason Murphy TD carry.  The kick is good and DPU again leads by 30, 44-14. 

Sewanee gets to the TU 38 but two straight sacks force a punt, TU starts at their 10. 

DePauw holds RHIT again, drives 44 yards; Dorrius Ford scores from five yards out.  After the PAT it's 51-14.   Ouch!!

Anthony Hicks scores on a five-yard pass from Cannon as Trinity extends the lead to 14-3 with 0:37 left in the third quarter.  9:06, 17 play drive for Trinity, mostly on the ground. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2005, 03:40:39 PM
Hawks88, keep those scores coming.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 03:46:31 PM
Jamaal Jemison returns interception 67 yds. for Huntingdon TD on first possesion of 3rd Qtr. 13:12 left in 3rd, 21-7 HC
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 03:58:14 PM
Trinity gets down to the Sewanee 8, have a touchdown called back on a hold, gain 10 yards on a screen, called back on another hold, gain 17 yards on third-and-goal from the 25, 24-yard Altman FG makes it 17-3 with 10 minutes remaining. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 05, 2005, 04:05:12 PM

Is there something wrong with the TU/UofS broadcast?  I was getting it earlier but I can't get it now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 04:08:53 PM
I had problems but eventually got back on. 

Sewanee at the TU 37 after two pass intereference and one late hit call against TU.  Third and long.   McAdams gets another sack, fourth and 16.  UoS thinks about going for it but sends the punt team out.  TU ball at their 12. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 05, 2005, 04:12:10 PM

Keep 'em coming.  I can't get the stream. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:12:57 PM
Not much going on with Huntingdon-Westminster. Have swapped several punts, now about 3 min left in 3rd. HC with ball about own 40.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 05, 2005, 04:22:09 PM
More Trinity please.  Is it 17-3?  The game tracker says 21-3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:22:23 PM
After swapping punts again HC loses fumble on last play of 3rd qtr. WC has ball at Huntingdon 35. Score still 21-7 at start of 4th. Neither offense did much at all that quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 04:23:21 PM
Final score:  DePauw 60, Rose-Hulman 21.  Amazing.

Final score:  Trinity 17, Sewanee 3.   Very strong defensive effort today from the Black Flag.  The offense missed Kelner.

For anyone who didn't hear, "#4" Rowan lost to 2-5 William Patterson today, 20-19. 

Unfortunately for our friends at Huntingdon, W&J now leads Thomas More 25-14 as the fourth quarter gets underway.   A W&J loss would be very helpful to the Hawks' playoff chances. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:35:30 PM
3 more punts swapped. HC with ball at own 8 with 10:00 to go in game. No offense at all for HC in second half after moving pretty much at will in first half. Defense stepping up though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:45:47 PM
After HC punt Westminster drives to score on 1 yd run. 21-14 with 5:57 left in game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:54:01 PM
On 3rd and 1, Willie Horn breaks away for 56 yds for a Huntingdon TD. 28-14 with 4:28 left in game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 04:59:15 PM
Bryan Wells intercepts pass. HC has ball at WC 43.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 05:06:11 PM
Golson to Godwin 25 yds for TD Huntingdon. 35-14 with 1:50 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 05, 2005, 05:11:07 PM
Final score Huntingdon 35-Westminster 14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 05, 2005, 05:41:40 PM
Any Rhodes Updates?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2005, 05:59:35 PM
Sorry, Dan, but there aren't any radio broadcasts so the only way to get the score will be when one of the SIDs updates it.  The last score was Rhodes up 29-27 at the start of the fourth ... some time ago. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 05, 2005, 06:03:54 PM
Bummer, Rhodes lost.
30-29
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 06, 2005, 04:55:06 PM
Millsaps seemed fired up for homecoming yesterday and beat Rhodes with a field goal with under 2 minutes left.  It was a sloppy game with lots of turnovers.  Millsaps played their third string QB and he was pretty efficient.  Tyson Roy was running well into the 4th quarter but seemed to be hampered by an ankle injury again.  I have to admit I probably spent too much time in the endzone drinking beer and not watching the whole game, but Millsaps seems to have a good group of guys to bring back next year and make some kind of run.  The trip to SA next week might be ugly!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on November 06, 2005, 07:49:30 PM
To the DePauw faithful

What have you done today to beat Wabash!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 06, 2005, 08:02:44 PM
To the Depauw faithful:

A special thread has been created in the General Football area of Post Patterns dedicated to the 112th Monon Bell Classic.  The Wabash faithful will be more than happy to answer your questions about '05's Little Giants, as well as help to prepare you for the traumatic experience that is forthcoming on Saturday, namely watching your playoff bid fade away like the ring of the Monon Bell will do all the way back to C'ville.  It's hard enough to lose the Monon Bell, but missing the playoffs as well...well that's just salt in the wound. 

Consider this post as your invitation to the Monon Bell thread where you can have all of your outstanding questions about Wabash football addressed, find out what chance you really have on Saturday, as well as take care of your therapeutic needs. 

See you on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 06, 2005, 09:00:00 PM
Shucks, wally.  You're a real sweetheart.  Thanks for that warm and sincere invitation.   >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 06, 2005, 09:15:44 PM
He gets excited doesn't he?  ;)

Please, though, do come discuss the game. I'm curious to hear about potential matchups and players to watch. I've not paid very much attention to you guys this year and am anxious to learn more before the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CentreDad on November 07, 2005, 01:47:14 PM
Just to give credit for good academic performance:
Ross Weitoff of Depauw and Michael Swartzentruber of Centre were both semi-finalists for the Draddy trophy - National Football Federation Scholar-Athelete Award.  Neither made the final list, but congratulations to both.   :)

The web page with the semifinalist list is below.

http://collegefootball.org/news.php?id=717
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 07, 2005, 10:06:07 PM
So...do I even have any reason to get energy up to pull for Millsaps this weekend?  Ron? historymajor? Your thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 07, 2005, 10:52:29 PM
Radio Guy,

Yeah, man.....pull for the Majors!  With a conference win under their belts, the Majors will be focused on upsetting Trinity.  They will at least be geared up for it if nothing else.  The Millsaps' offense was able to move the ball well against Rhodes this past weekend....turnovers kept them from scoring more and led to a bunch of Rhodes' points.  Defensively, the Majors looked pretty good....pitched a shutout in the second half and held Rhodes to just 54 yards on the ground for the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 07, 2005, 10:56:51 PM
The TU Tigers just keep winning.... Sewanee was a game bunch!  Much more than I expected.  I don't see Millsaps coming to SAT and pulling an upset....  my call is TU 41 - MC 21.... (hope they enjoy the Riverwalk)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 07, 2005, 11:53:40 PM
Quote from: historymajor on November 07, 2005, 10:56:51 PM
my call is TU 41 - MC 21.... (hope they enjoy the Riverwalk)

21 points on the Black Flag, Bob?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: akfox37 on November 08, 2005, 09:50:53 AM
trinity's D will NOT give up 21 points. Keep in mind that they only gave up 23 points to TLU (and one of the scores was a defensive one) and TLU has an explosive offense. The defense has been improving week by week as they havent given up a touchdown since they played Centre over 2 weeks ago who's offense was also supposed to be good but they played lights out. The offense has been inconsistent...but thats not going to matter if the defense keeps palying the way it has been.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 08, 2005, 09:09:40 PM
Ok,,, I'll give the BF their props TU 41 - MC 10
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on November 08, 2005, 11:33:19 PM
Anybody (Trinity in particular) find it interesting or irritating that Trinity cannot get above 9th in the poll?  I realize their scores haven't been consistently of blowout stature as some others, but does an undefeated record and a consistent place around the top ten mean nothing?  A defense averaging 10 ppg allowed isn't that impressive I guess?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 09, 2005, 01:11:12 AM
Polls don't matter in D3
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 09, 2005, 07:21:47 AM
The Seahawks announced today that they have released Jerheme Urban due to an injury clause in his contract.  He re-injured his stress-fractured/repaired foot in the game against AZ on Sunday. 

They say his only recourse is workman's comp.... well "it's business" in the corporate world of pro football.  We wish him well in his recovery and expect to see him back in somebody's camp next year!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 09:27:46 AM
who cares about the D3.com poll?  The only one I would put any merit in is the AFCA.  Even then, it is just a poll.  It is no indication of how good a team is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 09, 2005, 10:14:06 AM

Amen to the poll dismissals.  A lower ranking actually helps anyway because it gives the guys more to prove.  Once you hit that top five, you're always on the defensive.  The non-region polls are just for fun.  It's nothing more than ego stroking speculation. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 09, 2005, 11:19:48 AM
The AFCA poll?? Geez...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 12:51:24 PM
At least the AFCA poll is voted on by coaches who know what they're talking about.  I'm not saying it is valid - like TU2698 said, it's all for fun.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 09, 2005, 12:54:48 PM
If Trinity wins in the playoffs I promise they will move up in the polls.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 09, 2005, 02:28:45 PM
I think many of us here think Pat's poll is a bit more valid. A lot of time coaches sluff off the voting to underlings. Pat knows his pollsters actually care (well, allegedly).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 03:18:49 PM
I don't see how a poll taken by a bunch of people who have never even seen a third of the teams in it play could be more valid than one taken by coaches who talk on conference calls with other coaches every week, and at least have an idea of how everyone stacks up.  No head coach I have ever known has ever passed off the poll to someone else.  The AFCA one is taken pretty seriously. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 09, 2005, 07:04:54 PM
So talking on the phone to other coaches makes them magically see the other teams play? Coaches look out for their boys - it's rife with self-interests at times.

Don't forget, Pat's poll has coaches as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 08:36:39 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on November 09, 2005, 03:18:49 PM
one taken by coaches who talk on conference calls with other coaches every week

That's news to me and I have worked in more than one Division III athletic department.

The AFCA gives its voters far less information than we give ours. Past track record is on our side. Do I need to cite examples? Just this past week the AFCA's #12 team lost to its #23 team. The AFCA's former #16 team just lost two games in a row, one of them 49-20. They ranked St. Olaf (63-9 losers to St. John's) where we did not. They ranked Wheaton #23, then Wheaton lost to a 3-6 team. When Wooster lost to KENYON, Wooster was ranked #15 in AFCA, #24 in D3football.com Same week, UW-Stout was ranked #16 and lost, we had ranked Stout #23. They had Delaware Valley ranked ahead of Mount Union earlier this year.

And that's this year.

Quote from: ttu719803 on November 09, 2005, 03:18:49 PM
I don't see how a poll taken by a bunch of people who have never even seen a third of the teams in it play ...

Reality check: That's indicative of both polls. It's not like games are on TV or anything. If a coach is collecting tapes of Top 25 teams and watching them he's not doing his job -- preparing his team for its next opponent.

I guess you're bitter over the 2½ spots of difference between Trinity's rank in the AFCA and D3football.com Top 25s, but our track record speaks volumes.

How about some playoff examples? These are the rankings entering the postseason:

AFCA: No. 11 Wheaton def. No. 14 Mt. St. Joseph 31-7
D3football.com: No. 14 Wheaton def. No. 25 Mt. St. Joseph 31-7

AFCA: No. 22 UW-La Crosse def. No. 16 St. Norbert 37-23
D3football.com: No. 13 UW-La Crosse def. No. 22 St. Norbert 37-23

AFCA: No. 13 Rowan def. No. 9 Delaware Valley 56-7
D3football.com: No. 9 Rowan def. No. 11 Delaware Valley 56-7

AFCA: No. 23 Christopher Newport def. No. 5 Salisbury 35-24
D3football.com: No. 19 Christopher Newport def. No. 10 Salisbury 35-24

AFCA: 2 of 40 No. 1 votes for Linfield (5%)
D3football.com: 6 of 25 No. 1 votes for Linfield (24%)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 09:05:51 PM
whoop-de-doo.

My point isn't that the AFCA is far superior to your poll.  Polls are all B.S.  They are just a way of speculating everyone from #2 to #300 or however many DIII teams there are.  All I'm saying is that in my experience in DIII football offices, the AFCA poll is a better representation.  You can point out all the upsets you want, but in the end it doesn't matter.  It's like the difference between the old AP Poll and the Coaches Poll in DI.  If I'm going to put any credit into either one, I will side with the people who do it for a living rather than those who cover it from the outside.

I  could care less about Trinity's ranking.  It doesn't matter because no one has seen them play this season except for Ron Boerger.  I actually think Trinity's ranking might be a bit high.

Sorry for having an opinion...go ahead and take more karma.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on November 09, 2005, 09:27:46 AM
who cares about the D3.com poll?  The only one I would put any merit in is the AFCA.  Even then, it is just a poll.  It is no indication of how good a team is.

Quote from: ttu719803 on November 09, 2005, 03:18:49 PM
I don't see how a poll taken by a bunch of people who have never even seen a third of the teams in it play could be more valid than one taken by coaches who talk on conference calls with other coaches every week, and at least have an idea of how everyone stacks up. No head coach I have ever known has ever passed off the poll to someone else. The AFCA one is taken pretty seriously.

Quote from: ttu719803 on November 09, 2005, 09:05:51 PM
My point isn't that the AFCA is far superior to your poll. Polls are all B.S.
...
Sorry for having an opinion...go ahead and take more karma.

You have just one opinion? Hard to tell. When you make up your mind on just one opinion, let me know. Oh, and in 12 more hours, if you're still making up your mind ... or trashing the more accurate Division III football poll, I might knock your karma again. The hundred or so posters who have karma privileges can only use them every 12 hours on any individual posters.

By the way, your coach used to vote on our poll before the AFCA forced coaches to choose one or the other.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 09, 2005, 09:34:52 PM
Where does my opinion waver?  I say that I think polls are garbage, but if I were to put merit in one, it would be the AFCA.  Maybe you don't agree with my reasoning.  I don't care. 

Take my karma points too...what can I do with them - redeem them for prizes?  Can I get frequent flyer miles so I can catch a plane to Danville next year to watch a game?

Don't get so angry because one person thinks your poll is pointless.  If I had the time I'm sure I could point out instances where the AFCA was right and you were wrong.  Tell you what, why don't you go do that and then show me how there are more instances of where you were right as to where the AFCA was right.  I still won't care.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 09, 2005, 10:30:10 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on November 09, 2005, 09:34:52 PM
If I had the time I'm sure I could point out instances where the AFCA was right and you were wrong. 

You would need a lot of time. There are instances, but not nearly as many nor nearly as egregious.

Blindly follow the poll that has you higher. But it will always have the undefeated teams higher. Not enough of the voters seem to know any better.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on November 09, 2005, 11:23:40 PM
Just a look at the power ratings show that undefeated teams can be well down the list, just because of the company they keep.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 10, 2005, 09:31:43 AM
I am a relatively new D-III fan (this year), but I've been dealing with the same type of arguments for several years as a moderator on another message board dedicated to Texas high school football.

Bottom line: Polls are for those of us who don't play and need something to discuss, argue, and criticize during those 6 days of the week when there's no football games.  The only #1 ranking that means squat is the Stagg Bowl winner.

That said, it's always entertaining to see the comparisons, read the debates, and watch as some folks (writers and/or fans) get emotional about which poll is better, who's full of hooey, and why. 

"Polls are like statistics ... 98% of them are made up."   ;D

As a Trinity fan who has seen only the home games, I think they're ranked higher than they deserve, but, hey, the Tigers are undefeated.  The bottom line on TU this year is they find a way to win.  It might not be pretty, it might not be dramatic or powerful, but they've gotten it done ... largely due to the Black Flag.  Well done, men.  Keep up the good work and roll on into the playoffs with the #1 ranking in the South (NCAA).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 10, 2005, 09:42:03 AM
Just please don't roll over the Majors.  Actually, it always seems Millsaps likes to make it interesting with Trinity.  I would not suggest looking to home field advantage just yet.  Honestly though, I just hope Millsaps can hang in there and not get blown out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 10, 2005, 11:15:30 AM
Well said, TigerDad. 

Let's hope the Tiger offense that was at Rhodes and Centre shows up instead of the one at Sewanee.  We know the Black Flag will be there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 10, 2005, 01:08:48 PM

I don't believe in homefield advantage, but  in the last decade or so, Trinity hasn't scored under 40 points or allowed 20 points when they host Millsaps.  The games in Jackson are another story. 

Majors, I'm afraid that the only thing y'all have going for you is that the tigers aren't scoring as much this year.  But who knows?  When that's the case, sometimes the lesser team hangs around and...well, you know.  The tigers have to really show up. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 10, 2005, 08:00:45 PM
Bonzo- with a win over wabash does dpu have a shot at a pool c??  what else would have to happen??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2005, 09:52:15 PM
DPU is already #9 in the SR regional rankings.  A win over Wabash would substantially improve their QoWI *and* give them a win over a regionally ranked team.  Like I said in this week's column, win and you're in. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 11, 2005, 03:52:03 AM
It was confirmed tonight that Jerheme's teammates and coaches went to bat for him and he was reinstated and added to the IR....  surgery scheduled for next week in Houston.  Let's hope he makes a full recovery!

It's refreshing to know that sometimes 'business decisions' can be over-ridden by 'good-sense decisions'.  I believe that I owe an apology to the 'Hawks... they seem to have done the right thing!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2005, 10:35:44 AM
I would give a big thanks to the Seahawks' players and coaching staff, who apparently made the ownership see how stupid it was to cut Urb in the hope they could save what turns out to be a whopping $70K.  Urb's contract also had a clause which cut his salary in half if he went on IR.   $70K beats $0K, though!

Being on IR means that not only will Jerheme's surgery be covered (which, to their credit, the Hawks were going to do anyway), but so will his rehabilitation (which they were not).  It also means that Jerheme is out for the season, but with his second break in less than a year, that was probably the case anyway.   

Good luck to Jerheme and thanks to the Seattle ownership for (eventually) doing the right thing. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 11, 2005, 11:01:46 AM
You know what?  Every once in a while we get to hear some good news in the professional sports world.  After listening to T.O. and his agent whine and backpedal earlier this week, it's nice to offset that by reading about a classy player who works hard, doesn't cry when adversity comes, and an organization that does the right thing.  Let's see the national media feature THAT on the evening news.

I donate 2 Karma Points to the Seahawks management for doing the right thing.  And 2 more to the Seahawks players and coaches for speaking up on behalf of their teammate & friend.  If I could give them, that is.  Well done, sirs.

And, a tip of the cap to Mr. Urban for his God-given talent, his work ethic and his choice of the high road in pro football.  Thanks for being a role model and showing everyone that sometimes good things do happen to good people, even in the face of difficult trials.  Wishing him a speedy and full recovery ...

"Consider it pure joy, my brothers, whenever you face trials of many kinds, because you know that the testing of your faith develops perseverance.  Perseverance must finish its work so that you may be mature and complete, not lacking anything."
                   ---  James 1:2-4 (NIV)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 11, 2005, 12:12:11 PM
Scary that he was the second best wide out when he was at Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on November 11, 2005, 01:00:52 PM
He was the best on that team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 11, 2005, 07:47:34 PM
Ok,,, let me clarify...
Urban was tall, fast and great hands
Hunt was under 6 feet but quicker than greased lightning....
they both followed in the footsteps of Munro, Edwards, Factor, Coffman, Respondek, et al that Mike Burton, Roy Hampton, and Dan DesPlaines counted on.... I think you get the picture... TU has had and continues to have a great passing offense...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 11, 2005, 11:07:54 PM
Quote from: DanSwan on November 11, 2005, 12:12:11 PM
Scary that he was the second best wide out when he was at Trinity.

I'm going to agree with historymajor.  That should say something as to how good those WR's were that season.  Respondek wasn't too far behind Hunt and Urban either.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 01:06:42 PM
Live webcast (with video) of the Monon Bell game:

http://65.167.13.73:8080/ramgen/encoder/wht2.rm

Live stats courtesy DPU Sports Information:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/live/football/xlive.htm

Two three and outs so far.  Keith McM is blogging the game in Daily Dose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 01:47:48 PM
Wabash wins the field position battle thanks to a stiff wind and scores first on a short FG.  Wabash 3, DePauw 0. 

DPU gets a BIG break when a short punt into the wind takes a funny bounce and hits a Wabash player.  DPU ball in Wabash territory.

Wabash defense stiffens and DPU misses a 36-yard FG.  After one, still 3-0.  Jeremiah Marks has eight yards on six carries so far.  Harbaugh (2-6) is not hitting his receivers, certainly not what you would xpect of a 71% passer. 

DPU 0-5 on third downs, 1-1 on fourth. 

Wabash can't move, lousy punt (one yard net!), but a DPU LB tries to pick up the ball after it has been rolling around and Wabash recovers at their own 27. 

Wabash takes its last timeout of the half with 11:53 remaining.

DPU gets the ball at the 35 after another crummy punt into the wind.  Great scramble by Weithoff on third and four gets it close, Murphy converts on fourth-and-one to the five.  No gain on first, Wiethoff pitches badly but Murphy recovers on the bounce and gains one, sets up third and goal from the 3.  2:23 left.  Handoff to Marks gets DPU half a yard from the goal line.  DPU goes for it ... touchdown Marks.   First second quarter TD allowed by Wabash all year.  7-3 with 1:38 left in the first half. 

Hard to believe that DPU is now 0/8 on third down but 3/3 on fourth.   

Wabash runs the clock so that's how they go to the half.

Underacheiving:  Marks (12 carries, 17 yards), Harbaugh (5-10 for 24 yards). 

Impressive:  both defenses, Ross Wiethoff (4-7 79 yards, 7 rushes for 27 yards).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 02:45:06 PM
Meanwhile, in San Antonio - Millsaps and Trinity have exchanged punts.  The Majors are driving from their one - three straight third down conversions on passes from Juan Joseph to Raymece Savage followed by a 31-yard gain by Tyson Roy have the Majors at the Trinity 32.    Majors have a second-and-one at the 23 but Dustin Allen tackles Tyson Roy for a loss on third; Joseph's pass to McCarty on fourth is incomplete and TU takes over at their 24.

DPU holds Wabash on their first series and takes over at their 32.  Wabash holds DPU on their first series and has the ball at their 29. 

Harbaugh escapes a huge rush on fourth and nine and Ray Green makes a nice leaping grab inside the red zone to prolong the Wabash drive. 

Wabash goes for it on fourth and goal from the five ... option play, Chris Ogden easily scores on the pitch.  Wabash got a HUGE break when Harbaugh fumbled the snap on third down but was ruled down - DPU would have otherwise had a 95-yard fumble return for TD.  10-7 Wabash with 3:11 left in the third. 

Trinity takes a 7-0 lead on a 51-yard pass from Jacob Cannon to Matthew Weldon.  Millsaps already back in Tiger territory after a 38-yard pass from Juan Joseph to Rashad Brown.   The Majors get to the five but penalties (personal foul and intentional grounding) push them back.  Majors go for it on fourth and 29 but Joseph's pass falls incomplete. 

Wabash holds DePauw on the first drive of the fourth quarter, Harbaugh's deep throw is intercepted by Brendan Berigan.  DPU in business at the Wabash 34. 

Trinity now up 14-0 as Jerrold Jones starts to get his rushing on (4 carries, 37 yards in a 71-yard drive). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 03:25:59 PM
DePauw can't take advantage of the turnover, now 0-12 on third downs.  Punt is fumbled, then blocked.  Wabash takes over at their 38.  10:21 left in regulation. 

Kyle Piazza takes a pass out of the backfield, escapes wide of a would-be tackler and tiptoes 37 yards for a Wabash touchdown.  The Little Giants, the first team to score into the wind all day, now lead 17-7 with 7:10 remaining. 

Trinity leads 21-0 with 1:29 left in the first half.  A 61-yard completion from Cannon to Zach Byars led to a short TD pass from Cannon to Ray Valencia. 

DePauw rapidly into Wabash territory, fail to convert yet another third down but convert yet another fourth down.  Two plays later Wiethoff finds Chase Jonason for 21 yards and a touchdown.  With the extra point it's 17-14 with 5:14 remaining. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 03:44:09 PM
Wabash starts near midfield after an excellent return by Brendan Berigan.   Harbaugh escapes some pressure and completes a huge pass on third-and-long to keep the clock running.  Wabash now third-and-nine at the DPU 25, Tigers take their first timeout with 2:15 remaining.   Not FG territory, too much wind. 

Wabash pooch punt to the DPU 9.  Wiethoff has 1:55 and one timeout to work with. 

DPU gets to midfield but again can't convert on third down, Wiethoff's pass to Jonason on fourth down falls incomplete.  Wabash gets the Bell back!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 04:15:36 PM
Final Stats in the Monon Bowl:


                   WC        DPU
1st Down           14         12
Rushes-Yds        41-79     36-77
Pass Yds           178       174
Passing         15-27-1   11-24-0
Plays-Yds        68-257    60-251
Avg/Play          3.8        4.2
Kick Ret          2-64      2-39
Punt Ret          2-1        0-0
Fumb-Lost         1-1        2-1
Penalties         5-34      3-20
Punts            7-27.6    8-29.8
Possess          34:20     25:40
3rd-Dn Eff        5/15      0/14
4th-Dn Eff        2/2        4/5


Passing:
Harbaugh 15-27-1 178 yards and 1 TD
Wiethoff 11-24-0 174 yards and 1 TD

Rushing:
WC:  Roop 14-52,  Ogden 12-45, 1 TD
DPU: Wiethoff 11-38, Marks 19-31, 1 TD

Receiving:
WC:  Green 4-33, Summers 4-29, Walker 3-59 Piazza 1-37, 1TD
DPU:  Culp 5-100, Jonason 3-51, 1TD

Defense:
WC:  Pynenberg 11 tackle (2 solo), 2.5 for loss; Parker 6 (3 solo), 1 for loss
DPU:  Sylvester 9 tackles (5 solo), Brandenstatter 9 (1 solo); Lewis 8 (4 solo), 1 for loss, Hertel 8 (2 solo), 3 for loss, 2 sacks, 2 QBH; Lasley 8 (1 solo), 0.5 sack, 1 QBH

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 04:27:37 PM
Trinity now leads 27-0 on the strength of two Kelly Altman field goals.  One funny thing that came up in the game ... an unsportsmanlike conduct call aainst Millsaps somehow did NOT result in an automatic first down?  I thot all personal fouls were automatic first downs ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2005, 04:57:04 PM
Centre jumped on Rose-Hulman early, hung on for a 21-16 victory.  Good luck to the Engineers next season in the HCAC.

Trinity now up 34-0 and there are subs in all over the place on both sides.    Make that 41-0 as Chris Baer scores his first collegiate touchdown from 22 yards out.   6:39 left. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 12, 2005, 06:12:32 PM
Regarding TU-Millsaps:  I think Millsaps needs to file charges against Saunders and his staff - they are stealing whatever they get in salary, because they sure don't work for it.  That is the worst display of coaching I have ever seen.  They have one of the best offensive lines I have seen this year, and Tyson Roy was running great, and all of a sudden they decide to stop giving him the football.  They were averaging over 4 yards a carry, and they threw the ball 27 times (completing only 9)?  I was shocked that they stopped pounding the ball at the Tigers.   If I have that O-Line and running back, I run the ball 40+ times a game and control the clock.  Millsaps needs to ask for its money back.  I guess there's a reason all those guys are in division 3 rather than the SEC...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 12:08:34 AM
While we are waiting for the final projections from PC & Co ... a look at the comparative SCAC seasons of Trinity and DePauw.

Trinity outscored the other five SCAC contenders 161-22.
DePauw outscored the other five SCAC contenders 166-45.

The only SCAC team to score a TD on Trinity was Centre.  That touchdown was the only second half score yielded by Trinity in the five games. 

What a shame DePauw couldn't have pulled out either today's game or the season opener.  The SCAC deserved two playoff teams this year.  I guess they do have a chance as it's likely two two-loss teams will go, and the two losses were close losses against ranked competition ... but it's still a stretch. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 13, 2005, 09:35:09 AM
Bonzo, what do you think about the south seedings?  Although after playing TLU early this season, I predicted they might beat HSU or UMHB,,, I really didn't think they could... but they beat HSU last night throwing HSU into the same (2 loss) position as DPU... I'd actually have to give the spot to DPU and would love a chance to play them in SAT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 09:48:04 AM
With neither DPU or HSU having a quality win (against a regionally ranked opponent), it seems pretty unlikely either can make it in.    Also, HSU's QoWI is 43rd, DPU's 44th.    8-1 Cal Lutheran has a higher QoWI and is on the bubble for the last spot. 

Hey, Trinity needs to thank TLU for that upset last night.  That win was worth 2/9ths of a point to TU's QoWI.  As a result, they are close enough to Thiel (11.00 to 11.1) that the committee should keep TU at #1.  Now all Coach Mohr and company have to do is come up with a game plan to stop that UMHB running attack (unless the AA does something totally unexpected like actually send the #8 seed to TU instead of UMHB). 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 13, 2005, 11:03:12 AM
It would be nice if HSU got in, because then UMHB and Trinity wouldn't have to play in the first round.  UMHB really deserves to host a playoff game after their success in the past couple years.  I doubt it will happen, though.  I predict that the NCAA will once again screw the Texas teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 13, 2005, 11:30:40 AM
The best payback for the Texas teams would be to win the Stagg Bowl! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 13, 2005, 11:49:40 AM
right on.  enough of this 2nd place B.S.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 02:57:07 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on November 13, 2005, 11:49:40 AM
right on.  enough of this 2nd place B.S.  :)

Bleep the NCAA.  Four more teams or not, they always jerk Texas around (and it ain't just in football). 

Gawd, I hope I can find a decent airfare to SA next weekend.  I really do NOT want to spend 12+ hours on the road to cover the game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 13, 2005, 03:00:09 PM
Ron, where are u coming from?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 03:01:55 PM
Dallas (rather, 30 miles north of Dallas).  Six hours each way if the traffic is good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 13, 2005, 04:11:08 PM
I finally got to see TU yesterday, and they are way, way bigger than I thought they were.   However, Cannon seems unable to throw over the middle.  The tigers make a lot of deep throws to the outside and they throw down the line of scrimmage a lot.  Also, Cannon runs for big yardage quite often.  If they are playing equal talent, I think the passing game is really going to struggle.  Jake doesn't seem to have the vision to use the whole field.  I think Blake might have more potential in that department, and he will no doubt play if Jake struggles.  Speaking of that, I love getting to watch the backups come in and TU looks like they've got some real height among the young receivers.  Blake's touchdown pass was just a great play by him.  Cannon seems to be a little more physical and a real gamer. 

Millsaps ran the ball well, and their qb seems like he's pretty good.  The tigers, however, made great plays at the right times over and over.  I don't think there were any bad play calls by the majors' coaching staff, as they seemed like they would have a pretty good shot at yardage on any play they might run. 

If UMHB tries to single block Dustin Allen, which they might because they know they have great talent, I think TU can stay in there against UMHB, but having seen the two teams in separate venues, I have to honestly say that UMHB is far superior physically.  Given that TU just can't do what they've done in the past through the air, and UMHB has a ferocious pass rush, the home team is clearly the underdog in my mind.  Trinity has never done well in that role, but something tells me that this year's group is different.  They seem very, very physical.  All I can say, though, as part of TU's most faithful, is play as hard as you can on every play.  It's going to take a few breaks.  Hopefully, UMHB will be flat after handling them in the same exact place last year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 13, 2005, 04:14:11 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on November 13, 2005, 04:11:08 PM
  Hopefully, UMHB will be flat after handling them in the same exact place last year. 

I wouldn't place to much hope in that.  ;D
MHB has been playing playoff football since the HPU game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2005, 04:20:20 PM
In other futbol news ...

#4 Trinity men's soccer advanced to the sweet 16 yesterday with an easy 3-0 win at home ... and the unranked TU women overcame a 2-0 halftime deficit to beat #7 HSU in Abilene this afternoon, 3-2 in OT to advance to their sweet 16.  HSU ends the season 20-2 with both losses in Abilene coming at the hands of Trinity, who scored 4 of the 8 goals allowed by the Cowgirls all season.   Congrats to both teams!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 13, 2005, 04:24:13 PM


"to"  precedes a destination as in go back to school

"too" as in too much hope in that

TU as in Trinity University education
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 13, 2005, 04:50:42 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on November 13, 2005, 04:24:13 PM


"to"  precedes a destination as in go back to school

"too" as in too much hope in that

TU as in Trinity University education

You are correct. "to" should be "too."  Unfortunately, my bad typing skills and a low sensitivity on the laptop's keys make for interesting spellings occasionally.  I've even screwed up my name a few times.  Always a plus in gra school.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 14, 2005, 11:02:56 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on November 13, 2005, 04:11:08 PM
Millsaps ran the ball well, and their qb seems like he's pretty good.  The tigers, however, made great plays at the right times over and over.  I don't think there were any bad play calls by the majors' coaching staff, as they seemed like they would have a pretty good shot at yardage on any play they might run. 

They made bad decisions every time they tried to pass the ball.  Millsaps was tearing them up on the ground, and all of a sudden tried to air it out.  I love seeing Trinity whoop up on Millsaps (after the '00 debacle), but seeing what little use that staff made out of the athletes they had made me feel bad for those players.

It's gong to take the best effort of the year for the Tigers to pull this one out.  But remember, they were in the game until about 6 minutes left in the 4th when DesPlaines threw a pick in the red zone and it was returned about 60 yards.  It was all downhill from there.

Either way, it should be a great game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 11:10:23 AM
I think Trinity is going to have its best game of the season through the air to have a chance.  I don't see TU getting 200 yards rushing against the MHB defense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 11:26:34 AM
Quote from: ttu719803 on November 14, 2005, 11:02:56 AM

They made bad decisions every time they tried to pass the ball.  Millsaps was tearing them up on the ground, and all of a sudden tried to air it out. 

When Millsaps started the game, though, weren't they passing almost exclusively?  I seem to remember something like six straight passes.  It also seemed like they were having a lot of luck finding Raymece Savage for conversions on third-down early.  Savage was the starting QB for much of the season, but he seemed more effective as a WR (again, at least early) than QB.   

QuoteIt's gong to take the best effort of the year for the Tigers to pull this one out.  But remember, they were in the game until about 6 minutes left in the 4th when DesPlaines threw a pick in the red zone and it was returned about 60 yards.  It was all downhill from there.

Either way, it should be a great game!

Agreed.  Jake's not going to have a whole lot of time to stand around in the pocket, either.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 14, 2005, 11:32:48 AM
Ron B. and DePauw supporters:

Re: DePauw and the Monon Bell game--DePauw gave a superfine account of themselves and represented the SCAC very well!  One hell of a game.  Wabash players I spoke with after the game were unanimous in saying that Depauw was the best team they had played all season, particularly on defense, and that they really deserved to be in the playoffs.   It's too bad that circumstances didn't allow for that.  Even with their opening loss to Wesley, had they played Trinity and won, it might have gotten them in over Capital.  I am not suggesting that they would have beaten Trinity, but we will never know.

Anyway, it was great to see the L'il Giants give DePauw the credit and respect they earned on the field on Saturday.

Best of luck to Trinity--and other Texas teams as the playoffs get underway.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 12:03:19 PM
Thanks, BashDad ... I think it would have been a really good game.  I wish DPU would have gotten the week one opener against Wesley so they could have had the chance to continue playing.   Tim Rogers has done a very fine job in his first season in Greencastle and it should be interesting to see how DPU progresses as he brings in his recruits.

Unfortunately, there's only one other TX team in the playoffs ... and that number will be halved after they meet on Saturday.  If I ever win the lottery I will personally fund a geographically neutral South Region playoff bracket.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on November 14, 2005, 12:30:22 PM
Best of luck to the Trinity Tigers in the playoffs.  I hope you represent the SCAC well and play for a long, long time.

The Bell game this year was truly a heart-wrenching game.  Wabash made just enough plays to squeak by us.  Overall, the atmosphere was extremely intense & unbeatable in almost every way and the weather was beautiful for mid-November in Indiana.

I can't begin to describe to you how important this game is to the Wabash & DePauw communities.  This loss will hurt for a very long time.

BashDad, those were very kind words and it almost sounds like Wabash is giving DePauw some respect.  The rivalry has certainly been "prettied-up" since the mid-late 90's, probably for the better.  I always thought the players gave each other more respect than the general fans and student population.  It would be nice if more of the fans followed their leadership, but that is also part of what makes this game the way it is.

Nevertheless- Hopefully, Wabash's season will end soon (That's just the nature of this game :).).  However, if TU ever gets a shot at them, I hope you beat them by 50 points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on November 14, 2005, 01:41:09 PM
What exactly is the criteria used to establish how each region is ranked?  If I read the bracket correctly I think I saw the East and North Bracket with more two loss teams than no. 4 South region.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 14, 2005, 02:17:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on November 14, 2005, 11:10:23 AM
I think Trinity is going to have its best game of the season through the air to have a chance.  I don't see TU getting 200 yards rushing against the MHB defense. 

TU will have to be able to run the ball effectively, which I think they can do.  I don't see 200 rush yards, but they need to muster more than the 25 yards they got last year.  They have been their best this season when they run the ball effectively.  Hopefully, Kelner will be healthy too - TU really needs him back to have a shot.  He can get that passing game going.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 02:29:10 PM
Quote from: B/L Tiger on November 14, 2005, 01:41:09 PM
What exactly is the criteria used to establish how each region is ranked?  If I read the bracket correctly I think I saw the East and North Bracket with more two loss teams than no. 4 South region.

Pat said (in Daily Dose) that it goes by the strength of the region's top seed, not by the strength of the bracket as a whole.  So the claim would be that Delaware Valley is stronger than either Wabash or Trinity ... DV has the highest QoWI of the three (for whatever that is worth having gotten it against crappy East region teams). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 14, 2005, 02:30:56 PM
BFB-  Any early guess on the Offensive/Defensive POY in the conference??  I guess its not too early since they usually come out this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2005, 02:44:16 PM
Quote from: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 14, 2005, 02:30:56 PM
BFB-  Any early guess on the Offensive/Defensive POY in the conference??  I guess its not too early since they usually come out this week.

Don't really see the typical standout players in the conference this year.  Possibilities include DU's Marks, Centre's Blandford, Centre's WR Clarke (Kelner would have been right there if not injured the last two games).  I don't think anyone at QB has a chance.   Cameron Hummel would probably have had the best chance but RHIT struggled down the stretch again.   Marks probably has the upper hand given his 16 TDs. 

Defensively ... I've liked what I've seen from Dustin Allen (TU) but he doesn't have gaudy stats ... just timely ones.  DPU's Hertel is a good one, as is Steinert from Rhodes.  Matt Johnson leads the conference in tackling and has a few INTs as well. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 14, 2005, 03:06:38 PM
I just took the time to look at the conference web site(stats) and I agree with the nod to marks....defense will be a crap shoot!! ???

Interesting stats after a quick glance....RHIT led the conference with the fewest sacks given up 11 (tied w/DPU) but also managed to last in sacks by (12). ;D

6 of the top 10 players in points scored are from TU and DPU :o

Altman should run away with Special Teams POY

The top eight tacklers in the conference are from the bottom 3-4 teams in the conference, hmmmm... ;)



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 14, 2005, 03:47:17 PM
Fans Chime In On Who You Think The SCAC's Top Offensive Player IS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 14, 2005, 04:59:07 PM

Check out the ASC board.  A lot of them are talking about the second round, when they'll get a home game, bus trips, and all the nonsense that follows beating Trinity. 

Hopefully, these same guys are talking to the players.  The fans clearly aren't thinking much about this first round game.  It makes me want to play. 

There are a few that are trying to bring everyone back to earth, but the prevailing tone is automatic win. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 14, 2005, 05:16:37 PM
werner99:

Would I be right in saying that you're conflicted--Wabash and DePauw players, those who have met on the field, have always been very gracious in their comments about their opponents on Bell Day.  It's us fans and, yes, you are now one of them, who have been ass-holes.  The DePauw and Wabash rivalry is a great one, one of the oldest and the best.  Still, that does not mean that the brain has to shut down when it comes to relaying comments on the football game and how it is to be played.  I hope you would agree. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 14, 2005, 06:32:50 PM
Maybe the problem is the 'regions' themselves.... I've long complained that the 'south' region got changed forever when the ASC grew into it's current proportions.... the south extends from PA to West TX... The west covers all of CA as far east as 'some' of the WI schools, while others are in the North. Pat has mentioned that Lakeland and Whitewater are in different regions.... Maybe now with 32 teams they should consider trying to balance things out in 8 regions. Maybe the regions need to be dynamic and be 're-drawn' after the top 32 teams are identified, and 1-32 has been established and strength of region/travel/???? could be factored in...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 14, 2005, 06:46:55 PM
historymajor,  I like your idea.  I can't believe 3 east teams received pool C bids.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2005, 09:28:50 AM
... and that they turned around and seeded the Least as the second-best region.  Snarf. 

Looks like perfect weather for football in SA on Saturday:

Gametime temperature 62, high of 67
Winds from the south at 7 mph
Partly cloudy (50% cloud cover)
10% chance of precipitation
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 15, 2005, 01:41:11 PM
I talked to my sister this morning and she said that Jeremiah Marks has been hospitalized since the bell game with some uknown illness...apparently this is why he was not out for pregame warm-ups with the team?  Keep him in your thoughts and prayers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 15, 2005, 10:35:38 PM
I knew Marks was VERY sick during the Bell game, but he played anyway.  I hadn't heard that he was in the hospital, but I can't say I've seen him around campus.  Rumor I heard is that he was asleep and getting hydrated right up until kickoff.  I did hear that Wiethoff wasn't feeling well, also, but he didn't seem to show any ill effects during the game.  Here's hoping Jeremiah feels better and is back on campus soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on November 16, 2005, 06:59:40 AM
BashDad,

Agreed.  I think you made clear the point that I was trying to make.  I hope you continue to attend the game even though you might not know anyone playing.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 16, 2005, 12:18:31 PM
werner99:

I will attend lots of games, this year and in the future. I will know lots of players still playing. ;D


WABASH ALWAYS FIGHTS!!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 16, 2005, 02:59:01 PM
Here is a "tale of the tape" from the NCAA stats for both teams:

UMHB individuals ranked in top 50:

All Purpose yards:  PJ Williams, 141.3 (42)
Punt returns:  PJ Williams, 17.8 (5th)
Punting:  Hunter Hamrick, 43.4 (1st)

Trinity individuals ranked in top 50:

Passing efficiency:  Jacob Cannon, 134.8 (45th)
Punt returns:  Robin Kelner, 15.6 (10th)
Field Goals/game:  Kelly Altman, 1.0 (t-10th)
Punting:  Casey O'Bryant, 37.7 (47th)
Sacks:  Dustin Allen, 1.0 (t-15th)
Tackles for Loss:  Dustin Allen, 1.6 (42nd)
Forced Fumbles:  Brant McAdams, 0.33 (t-32nd)

Team Stats:
                         UMHB         Trinity     
Total Offense         428.6  (33)    376.9  (81)
Total Defense         256.7  (17)    261.8  (24)
Rushing Offense       275.0  (11)    176.6  (75)
Rushing Defense        69.8  ( 7)     87.7  (19)
Passing Offense       153.6 (168)    200.3 (104)
Pass Eff Defense       99.1  (43)     94.4  (28)
Scoring Offense        41.3  (13)     27.7  (73)
Scoring Defense         9.9  ( 5)      9.2  ( 3)
Turnover Margin         0.8  (46)      1.1  (20)
Kickoff Returns        20.83 (47)     20.53 (52)
Punt Returns           17.03 ( 2)     13.38 (17)
Net Punting            37.41 ( 2)     30.54 (98)


(xx) is national ranking
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2005, 09:42:49 AM
San Antonio Express-News story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA111705.1C.LOC.FBCtrinity.167ef7fc.html) on this weekend's matchup. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 17, 2005, 11:40:32 AM
The 15th anniversary SCAC football team has been released. It can be viewed here: http://www.scac-online.org/anniversary15

The 2005 All-SCAC team will be released as soon as all ballots are in.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crualum04 on November 18, 2005, 03:28:29 AM
I think saturdays game is going to be a great game. But man, Dustin Allen sure is popping off at the mouth a little. As a former football player, I would be a little upset if my teammate was running his mouth like that before the game. I sure hope it don't come back to bite him and his team (As a UMHB fan i hope it does). I would like to say that it will be a good game on saturday and good luck to both teams and i wish safety to all the fans traveling to see the game. It sounds like it will be great weather.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 18, 2005, 07:49:47 AM
Well crum04... (misspelled on purpose)... your attempt to create bulletin board material by calling Dustin Allen's comments about his teams confidence "popping off" was baloney.  What did you expect him to say, that he was overwhelmed and intimidated????  Well he is confident, and not overwhelmed.  The TU guys will bring it and we'll see who the better team is at about 3:30 tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 18, 2005, 09:22:17 AM
historymajor,  I agree with crualum, he did come off a little cocky.  There is a difference between cocky and confidence.  I expect Trinity to bring their best.  They are well coached and play great defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 18, 2005, 02:26:55 PM

I don't think what he said was cocky, but certainly anyone on the other side would see it that way which is why it got printed. 

I think cockier things have been said-


"Well, I guess we'll have to hope Western Maryland beats Lycoming so that we can get a home game."
           -Catholic University Coach Tom Clark, 1997 upon the release of the playoff seedings that placed Catholic at Trinity for the first round

"I don't know why everyone thinks this week is different because it's Michigan.  Who are they?  Why wouldn't we just go out and kick their butts like we do to everyone else?"
            -Terry Glenn, 1995 during the week of the Michigan game, which Ohio State lost

``could be a blowout or just a regular victory.''
            -University of Florida defensive end Jeremy Mincey during the week of the Alabama game in 2005 which the Gators lost 31-3 in Tuscaloosa
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2005, 04:15:12 PM
Yeah, I'm sure the E-N guy went out of his way to cause a little controversy.  Wouldn't be the first time, either.

For those thinking the undersize TU DL is going to be overwhelmed strictly on size, the UMHB OL is about the same size as the TLU OL.  TLU averaged 275, the Crusaders 280.  It could be argued that UMHB's OL is better than TLU's, but size alone is not going to be the determining factor. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on November 18, 2005, 04:39:28 PM
Best of luck to Trinity this weekend.  Wish we could be playing you, but I'd love to see the SCAC represented well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 18, 2005, 05:19:06 PM

I think we'd rather be playing you, too.    :-[

No offense to DePauw, but size matters when you're fast, too, and UMHB is bigger and faster than most. 

Whatever, our guys never quit, it's goiong to be a tough one.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 18, 2005, 05:39:36 PM
Ron, I don't think there is any question that the UMHB o-line is better than TLU's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 18, 2005, 06:13:40 PM
seriously...comparing TLU's O-Line to UMHB is like comparing apples and potatoes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUford55 on November 18, 2005, 07:33:58 PM
UMHB's o-line may be big, strong, and quick for their size, but  D. Allen and the rest of the TU D-Line are quicker, smaller, and pound for pound are probably the stronger.  D. Allen is a freak and B. McAdams is a smart, tough leader who is their heart and soul.  The 'black flag' will be blowin' in the wind tomorrow for sure boys.

I'm not knocking UMHB though, I was part of the TU team last year that met our fate at the hands of 'The Cru' so I am not down-playing their team's capabilities what-so-ever, actually, I believe that they have if not THE BEST, ONE OF THE BEST, ground games in the nation, depending on team morale and momentum at the time.  (Elex Reed and his D-line are no joke either...and I bet TU is glad Zunker is gone)

Best of luck to both teams tomorrow, I am driving in from H-town to see two D3 Texas Titans collide, and I am pumped.  I hope ALL players pack their lunches tomorrow b/c its going to be a solid afternoon of hard work.

GO TU!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 19, 2005, 03:46:45 PM

I guess now we know how everyone else felt for so long.  If this is down year for us, I have to say we have it pretty good.  It's still tough to swallow.  Stats can say whatever they want, my Gosh, is UMHB good.  :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fico on November 19, 2005, 05:07:07 PM
The game would have been 14 to 6 had it not have been for TU turnovers. 2 interception returns for TDs and a fumble on the 9yd line.  The defense only allowed 197 yds to MHB potent attack.  Congrats to MHB for making plays on D when the oppurtunity arose, but I think we can all agree that the Black Flag was up to the task today.  Hopefully things will work out for us next season, as much as I hate to say represent TX the rest of the way MHB.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 19, 2005, 05:36:14 PM
Fico, you are right-on!

In fact, the Tigers might have scored a bunch more had not a lot of the "air gone out" after the three turnover TD's (not to mention Jake's injury).

Who really knows?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 19, 2005, 06:27:13 PM
It was a hard fought game... but as Darrell Royal always said, "If 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts... we'd all have a merry Christmas."

Congrats on a good year Trinity.

<----------Joust 'Em Purple CRUsh!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 19, 2005, 08:58:32 PM
Robin Kelner had a great game.  I'm not sure how many receptions he ended up with, but it was lot.  Also, he was open on several other throws that were off target.

The Trinity D was excellent.  They never quit playing hard and they did a good job against the UMHB offense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 19, 2005, 09:41:30 PM
The game today was a show of great defenses.  The Trinity defense played lights out all day, holding UMHB to 197 yards (I think).  It was just too bad that the UMHB defense played just as well, if not better, scoring basically 21 points by themselves.  The TU offense never got on track, and the UMHB D-line was in the backfield every snap.  UMHB has one of the quickest defenses I have seen at the D3 level.  How some of those guys aren't playing division 1 ball is beyond me.  Congratulations, now go represent Texas!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 20, 2005, 01:57:40 AM
Trinity fans,

I was at the game today and just wanted to say congratulations on your players' effort today.  IMHO this was a slugfest between two Top 10 ranked teams and two great defenses.

Seeing how I have split loyalties to UMHB and Austin College, I think you guys will begin to see a little more of me on this board.  I am glad to be in your conference now as well.  I'll just be rooting for other teams against you guys twice a year now  ;)

Once again, congratulations on a great game and a great season. !!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2005, 06:57:57 AM
ttu719803, I can think of 2 players who have gone to the Big 12 from the ASC.  Correct my spelling/names here please, but I believe that Tech has a former HPU LB named Nazirrudin and BU has a former UMHB back named Roshon Johnson.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 20, 2005, 09:12:16 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2005, 06:57:57 AM
ttu719803, I can think of 2 players who have gone to the Big 12 from the ASC.  Correct my spelling/names here please, but I believe that Tech has a former HPU LB named Nazirrudin and BU has a former UMHB back named Roshon Johnson.

Ralph,

Close, but the guy from UMHB is Shaun Roshon and he started every game this season. 
His stats for 2005 are:

44 receptions
443 yards
10.1 yds/catch
2 Tds receiving 1 rushing and a 98 yd Kick-off return for a td against OU

and according to Baylors site 988 all-purpose yards

Not bad for a small walk-on D3 receiver. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 20, 2005, 02:55:37 PM
Kubiak and Reed could definitely be playing Big 12 ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 20, 2005, 02:58:29 PM
I hope Kubiak makes all american.  Based on the way he played in the 2004 playoffs, I was surprised he wasn't a preseason choice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 21, 2005, 09:03:30 AM
Depauw's 2 losses don't look so bad any more!  They lost 2 games by less than 10 points.....those two teams just won there 1st round games by more than 60 points??  Too bad they couldn't make it to SA :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on November 21, 2005, 12:19:26 PM
SCAC All Conference Team is posted:
http://www.scac-online.org/football/05allscacfootball.pdf

Congratulations to all those honored.

However, is anyone surprised that Dustin Hertel did not make the first-team?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tiger_Pride on November 21, 2005, 01:14:51 PM
Can someone explain to me how Dustin Hertel, Brian Culp, and Greg Sylvester didn't make 1st team?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2005, 01:58:29 PM
Seems like DePauw didn't get a lot of love for whatever reason.  I would have had Marks not only as one of two RBs but Offensive POTY.  Pretty surprised to see Jones and Mears up there.   The selection of Elston (4 tackles/game, 2 total sacks) over Hertel is equally surprising. 

Did coaches really vote in DPU's DiSalvo over Hertel?  Did they get the two switched somehow?  DiSalvo averaged 2.6 tackles per game, totaled four tackles for loss and half a sack.  Hard to believe he would get the nod over Hertel:  5.4 tackles/game, 14 tackles for loss, seven sacks, two forced fumbles, seven QB hurries, and an interception.  I don't get it. 



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ALONGFORTHERIDE on November 21, 2005, 03:20:04 PM
I don't think Tim Rogers made very many friends among the SCAC head coaches...this could be a reflection of that.  I've heard that similar things happened to him while in the MIAA.  Hertel got robbed!  I think he was the conf player of the week at least 2-3 times and he doesn't get first team??  What about eric lewis, chad homan, sylvester, berigan....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 03:41:08 PM
that would be too bad if that where the case? >:(  Coaches can't let individual problems hurt the players!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 21, 2005, 03:42:29 PM
Ron, very good write-up on the TU-UMHB game for D3Football.com!  Although it didn't turn out the way we were hoping (Tiger fans, that is), it is no shame to lose to a strong(er) team that should go deep in the playoffs this year.  Having experience with a team that made it to the finals but lost, I have seen what a motivation that can be for the guys the next season.  Perhaps the Crusaders have simply made up their minds to get back and claim the Stagg this year.

Was sure proud of the Trinity guys, especially the seniors of the Black Flag.  Very impressive performance, gentlemen.  You guys did everything that was needed to win ... just needed a little help from the O that didn't come this time.  Nothing to hang your heads about ... hope you have all recovered from the disappointment and can instead remember the 9-0 that came before this.  I'm sure all of us PAWS are proud to have been there to see you give it all this season ... for the younger guys, you've got something to work towards next year.  I daresay that UMHB will be there next year again ... you'll get your chance to right the wrongs when next you meet.  They've set the bar pretty high to get out of Texas in the playoffs now ... rise to meet the challenge.

Have a great Thanksgiving and good luck in finals ... Well Done, Men.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 04:16:06 PM
I went back to peak at the stats and it really pissed me off......so here we go

Off POY
a.clark-50 rec 700 yards-6tds
r.kelner-48 rec 598 yards-6tds
w.satterfield-63 ypg rush, 71 ypg passing, 13 tds
-satterfield is the only one I can live with here...when he came back uos was a different team.

snubbed
j.marks-190 rushes for 881 yards 4.6 per rush-16tds, lead the league in scoring????

Def POY
t.elson-40 tackles 4per game, 2 sacks  .2 per game does not make the top 10 list in the conf.  12 tfl's (decent)

d-hertel-54tackles, 7 sacks, 14 tfl's 2 forced fumbles, 1 int, 2 time POW in conf.   and not only was he not the player of the year......he was 2nd team.

This is a bunch of crap....whoever is to blame (rogers, other  head coaches, comish, ad's)  they should be ashamed of themselves.  Maybe RHIT has more sense (leaving the conf) than we think!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 21, 2005, 04:25:28 PM
Hertel got robbed from being 1st team, but Dustin Allen should have been the Defensive player of the year.  There was no one who could block him.  What a bunch of crap.  And how does Marks not get consideration for OPOY? Ugh.  For such a "smart" conference, they sure seem pretty stupid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 04:39:02 PM
Take Your Pic
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2005, 05:07:57 PM
Are we ready to kill off the SCAC offensive POY survey?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 05:27:20 PM
fine w/me
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2005, 05:56:25 PM
I think Pat's about to replace the OPoY survey, so here are the results:

Question:      Which player would you vote for as the Offensive POY in the SCAC

Jacob Cannon-TU - 4 (12.5%)
Jeremiah Marks-DPU - 10 (31.3%)
Wesley Satterfield-UOS - 3 (9.4%)
Robert Kelner-TU - 7 (21.9%)
Charlie Key-RHI  - 3 (9.4%)
Ross Wiethoff-DPU - 5 (15.6%)
Adam Blandford-CC - 0 (0%)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 21, 2005, 06:45:12 PM
The complaining has started.  This time it can't be said that it's coming from snubbed TU faithful.  Seems that the decision to cancel the trip to SAT (and not be willing to re-schedule) bit the DPU faithful hard!  TU had a great season, but was over-matched by UMHB.  Possibly a face-to-face meeting with DPU might have shown our weaknesses sooner, rather than later...  who will know now?  Too bad the game was not made up... then there may not have been anything to speculate about.  Maybe the "new" SCAC will be bigger and better than ever, and if DPU wants out... so be it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 21, 2005, 07:26:01 PM
history major-  I agree with most of your post , however, your tone is a little bit threatning :o.  If DPU wants out so be it?  What are you refering to? 

I think the DPU v. Trinity would have been a great game again!  I think you are suggesting that DPU was scared to play, canceled the trip and refused to try and rescheduleI hope that is not what you are saying.  Because the corrected statement would read....DPU's administration took the advise of the parents and cancelled the trip, offered to reverse their tickets from SA to Indy, went as far as asking Chicago to play RHIT the next week all of which got the big veto from dpu, tu or the league.

I know the above to be fact...I don't know who said no to what after DPU cancelled but I do know this...Trinity did not want to travel to Greencaste...not because they were scared (I respect you more than that) but because they did not want to deal with the same uncertainty on their return trip that forced dpu to cancel.  I also know that chicago was asked to play RHIT (they said yes) but I don't know what happened after that.

Trinity is a great team that played a "so-so" schedule in the regular season and lost big to a great team in the 1st round (I picked them to play in the NC)

DePauw is a great team that played 2 playoff teams in the regular season...lost by small margins to both and did not make the dance.  My opinion Wesley will play UMHB tougher than anyone thinks they will.

Sounds to me like a match-up between the two would have been fun to watch...since that's what you and I a resigned to......WATCHING.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 22, 2005, 11:09:37 AM
tigerdadplm - don't get upset at historymajor, he says stupid things a lot.  But what's all this about Trinity not wanting to travel to DePauw?  You do realize it's not that easy to just up and schedule a trip for 60-someodd people for a weekend on a days notice (which is what DPU gave TU).  I heard something about playing the game in Crawfordsville.  That is ridiculous.  Im not upset that it was cancelled, it didn't end up hurting us at all, I just don't understand why all of a sudden it somehow partly Trinity's fault for not flying up there.  The good news is that, from what I hear, DPU will come down to S.A. for next year's game.  It should be a good one, I'm looking forward to it already.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on November 22, 2005, 12:57:59 PM
Impossible to travel a team on short notice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 22, 2005, 07:58:55 PM
As a new poster and recent player, I'll keep this fairly short to avoid controversy.

The All-SCAC voting this year is laughable. The fact that there is a three way tie for OPOY (including a player that was not even mentioned on this boards poll), and a DPOY that has recieved no votes at all at the time of this post in our poll is a joke. I understand that we are only fans and have little implication on the way the voting comes out, but we can at least voice our dissapointment.

maybe it is personal frustration from not making the list, but it seems like I am not alone in my confusion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 23, 2005, 12:03:29 AM
Yeah...I think everybody (from every conf. school) is probably equally upset about the conference list.  I was certainly surprised to see Elston get the nod for DPOTY.  I think Hertel and Allen should have both been there, but I didn't see Allen this year, so I can't possible put one ahead of the other. 

I also had a hard time putting Adam Clark in the same conversation with Satterfield and Kelner.  Kelner is obviously deserving, and Satterfield had a few pretty decent games himself.  If anybody from Centre would have been in the discussion, I think it should have been Blanford. 

I was surprised to see that the coaches said that Blake Mears and Jerrold Jones as  good of a year as Jeremiah Marks did.  I can sort of see Jones, he was there when TU needed him because the TU QB's weren't exactly.... Dan DesPlaines.  I do think Mears is certainly a stretch. 

From a DPU follower's POV, Joe DiSalvo is a great player up front for DPU, but for him to get the nod and Hertel not, is puzzling to say the least.   I was very happy to see Kerry Pappas and Chase Jonason get the nod.  Both of those guys were very deserving.  Also, Sylvester and Berigan were both headscratchers as well. 

Finally, Rhodeskicker, I thought you got hosed.   Would have got my vote. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tiger_Pride on November 23, 2005, 02:41:48 AM
Radio_guy,

Since I'm under the assumption that you saw every game I was interested in your opinion on the following:

I was wondering how Clark got picked over Sylvester for 1st team. I was looking at the stats and not only did Sylvester lead his team in tackles with 65 (Clark had 54) but he also lead his team and conference in int.'s with 4 (Clark had 1).

   I was also wondering about Jonason getting first team WR over Culp. Culp had almost double the stats Jonason had.    Culp: rec- 35; yrds – 464 , Jonason: rec-19; yrds – 291

I know Jonason did have one more TD than Culp but I didn't know if that was a huge deal.  I do think that Jonason is a 1st teamer but why not have a TE spot instead of him taking a WR spot??

   I was also surprised Berigan wasn't at least a second teamer.

   I don't even want to go into Hertel's situation, or Marks not being OPOTY because I think we all already know its complete garbage.

Now I am a DPU fan and in no way and am I trying to take anything away from Clark and Jonason's accomplishments, I think both they and the other DPU guys selected are 1st  team material and well deserving of the awards. I just thought the other guys mentioned above were as well, based on stats and what I saw at games this season. So I was just wondering what your thoughts are.

One more thing... Do you think this has something to do with Roger's reputation in the SCAC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on November 23, 2005, 10:16:58 AM
PRIDE-  I have heard that it may have to do with rogers rep?  Don't know enough about it.

As the father of a former player, I do know this, my son felt that he should have been 2nd team all scac as a senior.  he went in to speak with the head coach and he said that if my son didn't get second team he (the coach) was to blame, the way I understand the voting process each team nominates their players then the coach&sid's vote on the entire list.  If you are nominated by your head coach you are given 2nd team automatically.  This may be an old scac rule, but this is how I understand it to be done.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 23, 2005, 10:42:40 AM
Rhodeskicker - if you are their kicker from this season, then you didn't get hosed at all.  Altman made 9 of 11 field goals, and all but one of his PAT's.  Look at your game against Millsaps to see why you didn't get it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 23, 2005, 10:45:31 AM
Also, Marks definitely got screwed.  As a TU fan, I want to say Kelner should be the OPOY, but to me, those 2 games missed takes him out of contention.  It should have been Marks all the way.  The only thing I can think of is that the DePauw staf did not put him up for the award.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on November 23, 2005, 11:10:13 AM
TigerPride,

short answers for all of your questions, as I'm off to St. Louis for a girls BBall game:

Clark is a good player...and a great friend to me (he lived next door to me freshman year) but I think Sly was better.  Clark did make some great plays when the Tigers showed the 4-4 look, and he'd creep down from the safety position. 

I think Coach put Jonason up over Culp because Jonason is (in my wholly biased mind) the best TE you'll find in DIII football.  There wasn't a TE spot, so I imagine Rogers put Jonason up instead of Culpy.  I don't know that for a fact...I'm just prognosticating. 

Berigan is a player, and deserved SOMETHING.  He's one of the best, if not the best, CB's in the SCAC.  I certainly didn't see anyone (TU aside..of course) that deserved it over him this year.

As far as Coach Rogers goes...I don't know the ins-and-outs of the Trinity situation, but I probably would have handled it much worse than he did.  The rumor mill tells me he tried to put up a plan that wouldn't bring overall record in for the tiebreak (opponents record instead.. which DPU ended with a hearty margin of victory in), which screwed DPU right from the start.  Apparently, (again.. just rumor) all the other coaches and AD's shot it down and went to overall record.  I'd imagine its probably pretty easy to lose some friends over a situation like that... especially (and I've learned this from being with teams when they go south) when you coach for that damn Yankee school to the North.  Not all schools are like that...but I don't think DPU is exactly....welcome wherever they go.  That's the feeling I get when I travel with them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 23, 2005, 02:09:36 PM
ttu71...

I don't think at all that I should have gotten first team. Altman definately deserved that, he had an amazing season. Just a shame that this Trinity team was not the same as the ones that I've played against before, he could have had a lot more opportunities. My honest opinion is that I should have gotten 2nd team. The stats explain it all in my opinion. Especially for my position.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2005, 11:18:26 AM
I guess this is a "better late than never" post.  Earlier this year a link was posted here for Millsaps sports photos.  Apparently a fair number of the football players were unaware that photos were being posted on the internet throughout the season.  For those who are interested, here's the link to photos for all of the Millsaps sports programs and you just click on the football link and then the various photo albums from the season:

http://photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/

Each player should have received a Photo CD for the 2005 season.  If you haven't gotten yours (check your campus PO Box), contact me and I'll get one to you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 28, 2005, 08:13:23 PM
(El Tea Gray)  ("The Texas Bracket"  :o )

If SCAC + ASC is a "real bracket" we need to try playing some defense?  In playoff football everyone knows "D" wins games!

I would really, really like to see TU's Black Flag take on Wesley's great offense (oh well, maybe next year). The last time the Tigers played Wesley in the playoffs the BF held them to 3 points (21-3 TU) in the rain.

I just can't wait to see next years edition of the Black Flag; if the Tiger offense can only jell during August.    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 29, 2005, 07:15:18 AM
ETG (-11),,, I (-5) think you're right on the mark with your assessment of the BF's re-emergence and the needed maturity of the "O".  Jake and Blake need to develop some confidence in the deep passing game and stretch the field.  The O and D lines need to hit the weights over the winter and come back 20-30 lbs bigger/stronger and I think we'll be fine.  I can't wait to see how the young running backs mature in the next few years too!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 30, 2005, 11:08:33 AM
The Tigers will have a lot of good young talent coming back on offense.  The Baer kid should step in to grab the starting RB spot.  He looked good in mop up time this year, he's going to be something special.  I also hear there is another pretty good freshman RB on the TU scout team.  Losing Kelner will hurt, but the WR's will still be loaded, and I heard there are some really good freshmen in the freshman class.  The O-line will be the big question mark with only Farney set to return.  Let's hope those young guys step up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on December 05, 2005, 07:08:33 PM
etg, I thought Trinity's defense was outstanding against UMHB.  They may have been undersized compared to UMHB's line, but the defense was championship caliber.  The o line had a hard time with UMHB's d line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 05, 2005, 07:26:37 PM
Bill Mc,
You are absolutely right-on, that is the reason I said earlier that I would really, really like to see the TU Black Flag go against Wesley's great offense (against Whitewater's offense as well).  The Tiger offense needs to gell this summer, if so 2006 could be another TRINITY year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on December 06, 2005, 01:15:43 AM
Quite a bit of offensive gelling for the kind of TRINITY season I think etg is referring to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 06, 2005, 04:26:34 PM
Gelling is not this issue.  They were at the top of their game in week 10.  They didn't have the offensive fire power this year.  The Tigers had two pretty good tailbacks, but neither was a game breaker like Boyce and I don't think either was even as good as Federle.  I think JJ only had 1 touchdown.  They did great WORK, which is great for a conference title.  With so many teams competing for the same national title, you need fire power.  You need home run hitters to win in the playoffs.

TU didn't have that in the backfield, and they didn't have it at WR, as evidenced by not scoring in the second half despite getting deep in UMHB territory three times.  In truth, that can be attributed to the pass rush, but the Tigers really didn't have scorers among them.  Even Kelner, who was really a good player, I think would have been an extra on some of the better teams that the Tigers have had.

What concerns me is whether or not the players believe they can win again in the playoffs.  And hopefully, they won't get complacent with their stranglehold on the SCAC.  It seems that the playoffs are the only true challenge for the Tigers right now, and it's tough to have to wait ten weeks to finally face that challenge. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2005, 11:40:40 AM
I guess what I wonder is whether or not TU can get some team speed back on offense.  The WRs weren't fast enough to get much separation which in turn led to the lack of a deep passing game.    The running game was OK given that opponents didn't have to worry much about the deep ball (with the notable exception of TLU).  I am looking forward to seeing what young Mr. Baer brings to the running game next season - I think he can be very good as a feature back. 

There's a lot more competition for the D3 athlete in Texas these days.  I believe that UMHB has drawn off a number of potential athletes given their recent success and good showing in last year's Stagg Bowl.  Trinity's unfortunate trip to Salem, on the other hand, likely hurt recruiting.  The ASC schools are focusing on their programs and getting some significant transfers from "upper" divisions (QBs Ty Sellars at McMurry, Adam Johnson at HPU to name two of the most visible).  Trinity's costs are pretty high compared to its local foes ... the stadium is less than impressive (tho that will be addressed in the next couple of years) and then there is the  difference in admission standards between Trinity and the teams it encounters in the first round.   All those factors combine to make recruiting at TU a difficult proposition.   

I also think that DePauw is building a very solid program under their new coach.   Given their play this year they will be a challenge next season.  If TU has ETBU on the schedule (which I have heard), that too will be a challenge before the playoffs!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 07, 2005, 02:16:36 PM
BFB, I think that there are a large number of very good student-athletes who are attracted to strong academic schools like Trinity.

When my children were at Lake Highlands HS, they sent one-two players a year to the Ivy League on what looked like an "academic" scholarship with a specialization in Linebacker or defensive lineman.  Yeah, their SAT scores and academic rec's were good, but we knew why they had gotten the invitation (and were happy for them).

All Trinity needs is 3-5 strong athletes with acceptable academic skills to fill the skill positions.

Once a Ty Sellers or an Adam Johnson has gone to a school, that "takes" out that school for consideration by another transfer until he leaves.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 07, 2005, 05:41:22 PM
B/L Tiger, Bonzo, TU2698,

IMHO "quite a bit of offensive gelling" = no 9 yard line fumble + no 2 interception runbacks + 2 more offensive TD drives. With both a good class and hard work in August this seems manageable for Coach Mohr and Staff. If so, this would yield a lot closer to the "kind of TRINITY season" that I referred to. Again, the Black Flag must lead the way.

Who really knows  ???

     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on December 08, 2005, 09:59:20 AM
Huntingdon has posted a 2006 schedule on their website and it looks like we have added a couple of playoff teams for next year. Could be a pretty tough schedule.

9/2 @Ithaca
9/9 Sewanee
9/16 @Millsaps
9/23 @Rhodes
9/30 Wesley
10/7 Trinity
10/14 @Colorado College
10/21 @Thomas More
11/4 @SAGU
11/11 LaGrange

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 08, 2005, 11:40:03 AM

From what I've seen, a great team can only truly stay on top for so long, the exception being Mt. Union, of course.  It's kind of like what we saw with Florida State a few years ago.  They were so menacing for so long, played in a weak conference, then some of the games started getting a little closer and then boom!  The bottom fell out against North Carolina in 2001.  They lost 41-3 and haven't been the same since.  They still have the bullseye on them, but they aren't nearly as threatening as they were.  Yes, they're in a BCS bowl but certainly not because of a great season. 

I'm really worried that perhaps Trinity has befallen the same fate after having gotten smacked around by UMHB.  That game at Huntingdon will reveal a lot.  Of course the DePauw game comes first, but if TU is going to keep it's aura, the Tigers cannot let a young upstart program take them down.  The ETBU game is important too.  Hell, 2006 is going to be a huge year for the Tigers...5 or 6 years ago, Coach Mohr was looking to get out of there, and I have to wonder, after completely turning the program around, how many people would really want to be there should it go on the decline?  I doubt SCAC championships are all that fulfilling anymore. Of course, he's been there an awfully long time to walk away now, but I think next year is going to be a huge, huge year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 11:43:47 AM
Hawks, that is a great schedule.

The Ithaca game is high profile and a great inter-region contest. :)

Seven (7) South Region opponents!  I hope you can get Murvul back in a year or two.

Colorado College can use the games.  I would not be surprised to hear that the SCAC has invited CC to join them in a year or two.

SAGU can use games, too.  The 10th week is a hard week to find opponents!

The Hawks can earn a Pool B bid with that schedule, and maybe a home game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 08, 2005, 04:08:11 PM
Given the opportunity, Baer can probably handle the feature back slot.  Here's what he was doing at this time last year:

Fiery competitor - Shiner's Baer a keg of dynamite on the football field
   http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121704.htm (http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121704.htm)

A perfect ending - Shiner caps 16-0 season with Class 1A title
   http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121904.htm (http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121904.htm)

Baer facts - Senior leads Shiner to title with 4 TDs
   http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/wf121904.htm (http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/wf121904.htm)

High school success doesn't necessarily translate to the college field, but it's an indicator of the possibilities ... we'll just have to wait 'til Tiger Time 2006.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg128.imageshack.us%2Fimg128%2F6248%2Fgotigerssm22lt.gif&hash=19af5fc9faf9b646123e37f79b09868eed6239ea)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on December 08, 2005, 06:43:12 PM
I've heard that Colorado College has already been extended an invitiation into the SCAC...supposedly along with Hanover...don't know if either have accepted or rejected the invitation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2005, 07:44:29 PM
Tigerdad, that would make Colorado College-Austin College and Hanover-DePauw as travel partners.

We may hear about these changes by the end of spring 2006.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on December 08, 2005, 08:13:23 PM
What does it say about the coaching staff when you mention all these different obstacles in recruiting and then turn around and see Trinity win the conference championship 13 years in a row?  I think Trinity has one of the best coaching staffs in the country.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 09, 2005, 04:57:01 PM
Trinity's staff is top-notch, which is why they have dominated a league of schools with similar interests and focus.  They ARE still largely recruiting Texas athletes, though, and as such must compete with schools outside of the SCAC for those student athletes.  That is where the "difficulties" in recruiting come into play.

Congratulations to the SCAC players named today to the D3football.com All-South Region (http://www.d3football.com/all-region/2005_d3football_all-south_region.pdf) team:

Second team:
K Kelly Altman, Sr., Trinity
DL Dustin Allen, Jr., Trinity
LB Brian Steinert, Sr., Rhodes

Third team:
TE Chase Jonason, Sr., DePauw
G Kerry Pappas, So., DePauw
DE Dustin Hertel, Sr., DePauw
LB Matt Johnson, So., Centre
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 09, 2005, 07:21:14 PM
TigerDad,

I have absolutely no doubt about Baer being able to handle the "Tiger Time 2006" running back slot. Really, I can't wait (guess I'll have to)! Two questions: Will Baer play Tiger Baseball this spring? Is he part of the family of former San Antonio all-sports great Linus Baer? I can't even guess at the number of hours I spent watching Linus Baer play 4 years of high school (San Antonio Lee) varsity Football, Basketball, Baseball and run Track.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on December 09, 2005, 10:09:47 PM
Congrats to Brian Steinert, he is a great player.  Top 3 that I ever played against in college.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on December 11, 2005, 09:27:31 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on December 06, 2005, 04:26:34 PM
Gelling is not this issue.  They were at the top of their game in week 10.  They didn't have the offensive fire power this year.  The Tigers had two pretty good tailbacks, but neither was a game breaker like Boyce and I don't think either was even as good as Federle.  I think JJ only had 1 touchdown.  They did great WORK, which is great for a conference title.  With so many teams competing for the same national title, you need fire power.  You need home run hitters to win in the playoffs.

TU didn't have that in the backfield, and they didn't have it at WR, as evidenced by not scoring in the second half despite getting deep in UMHB territory three times.  In truth, that can be attributed to the pass rush, but the Tigers really didn't have scorers among them.  Even Kelner, who was really a good player, I think would have been an extra on some of the better teams that the Tigers have had.

What concerns me is whether or not the players believe they can win again in the playoffs.  And hopefully, they won't get complacent with their stranglehold on the SCAC.  It seems that the playoffs are the only true challenge for the Tigers right now, and it's tough to have to wait ten weeks to finally face that challenge. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: sampa on December 11, 2005, 09:41:48 PM
Reply to TU 2698: Huntingdon's close game against Trinity was no fluke and they have a good chance of beating the Tigers next year given the number of returning starters they have: QB, WR, RB and others. The tigers will definitely have their hands full in Montgomery.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 12, 2005, 12:02:08 PM
Sampa,

Huntingwho?  Aren't they that team from Ohio that has lost like 44 games in a row?  You must be looking at Trinity's JV schedule.  I didn't even know that the varsity schedule was finished.  Where did you find it?  I wouldn't count on that game actually being played.  That's an awfully long way to travel for a JV game, so I would have to think that schedule must be tentative. 

Wait, I think we played Huntingdon in 2005.  Wasn't it 37-0 midway through the first quarter?  I remember it well, and I was hoping that the Hawks would prove more of a challenge.  I guess that's why the schools decided to make it a JV game next year.  Alright, I gotcha...the JV team will have its hands full. 

ps- see my post on 12/8
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 12, 2005, 12:04:49 PM

Did anyone lose their breath for a second when they saw the Dec. 10 news on the front page of this website?

There are like 18 Trinity's nation wide.  Thank the father, son, and the holy spirit(get it? Trinity?).  I am a genius!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 12, 2005, 04:04:46 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on December 12, 2005, 12:04:49 PM

Did anyone lose their breath for a second when they saw the Dec. 10 news on the front page of this website?

There are like 18 Trinity's nation wide.  Thank the father, son, and the holy spirit(get it? Trinity?).  I am a genius!

I was listening to the the MUC/Rowan broadcast when they announced this.  Pat Cummings kept saying Trinity (Conn), NESCAC, etc. but K-Mac kept talking about Texas and the SCAC.   Get with the program, Keith!!   ;D 

They weren't saying "Mohr" so I knew it wasn't the TU in San Antonio. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 04:36:58 PM
Get with the program yourself. Keith McMillan wasn't on either broadcast this week and Pat Cummings wasn't at Mount Union.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on December 12, 2005, 06:26:48 PM
Watch it Bonzo... those karma points you covet are in serious jeopardy!
As much as I hate the Trinity (Texas) tag... sometimes you have to include it!

I tried to listen to the UWW-Wesley game and was frustrated by no score updates....  hey TV is TV, but on radio,,, we don't know unless they tell us... and some join the broadcast 'in progress'.  Frustrating, but I'll get over it....

Anybody from the SCAC going to Salem to see the UWW-MUC showdown?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 07:14:35 PM
I suppose -- it's a good thing we had a scoreboard on the site that was keeping updated scores for those who missed them on the broadcast, plus the occasional updates on the front page.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2005, 02:59:42 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 12, 2005, 04:36:58 PM
Get with the program yourself. Keith McMillan wasn't on either broadcast this week and Pat Cummings wasn't at Mount Union.  ;)

OK, OK, apologies to both.  But someone on some broadcast did it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on December 13, 2005, 02:45:55 PM
From what I have heard Colorado College will be joining the SCAC in some sports next year, and will join in all sports the following year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 13, 2005, 03:22:21 PM
Warriorhog,

For purposes of these boards do you know specifically about football and roundball?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on December 13, 2005, 05:38:49 PM
As far as I know football and basketball will not join until 2006-2007.  Next year will be only sports where they have large multi-team meets like cross country, swimming, and track.  I'm not sure what sports will for sure be joining next year, but I am pretty sure they will be a full member in 2006-2007.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 13, 2005, 07:02:48 PM
warriorhog 51, Gray Fox,

IMHO "next year" as far as sports go "is" 2006-2007 (this year being 2005-2006).  For Colorado College to be a "full member" of the SCAC in 2006-2007 it seems to me that they should start out the 2006 Fall Semester with Football, Men's and Women's Soccer, Volleyball and Men's and Women's Swimming and Diving (unless any of these are D1 exempt)? Men's and Women's Basketball should follow toward the end of the 2006 Fall Semester (about one year from now)? I hope this does actually happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on December 13, 2005, 07:49:07 PM
etg,

It should be 07-08 that they will be a full member.  Sorry about messing up the year like that.  Its December and I am still trying to get used to writing 2005 on things.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 14, 2005, 05:46:41 PM
etg;

Sorry for the late response ... haven't checked the board in a week or so.  In reply to your questions:  First, no, Baer won't be playing Tiger baseball.  He was a good high school baseball player (maybe more than good with 2 state championships and state MVP), but really prefers football, for many reasons too numerous to list here.  Second, no, Linus Baer is no relation.  We have heard that question before, but do not know much about that S.A. sports legend except what can be found on Google (not much).  If you can tell us more, I'd like to hear it.  Send me an e-mail and we can continue the discussion off the board.

I also look forward to Tiger Time 2006, but will try to enjoy the offseason too.  With all the SCAC changes upcoming and many teams getting stronger, it should be quite an upcoming season.  Time will tell if the Tigers can reload and rebuild stronger next year ... I think they can.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on December 15, 2005, 12:29:38 AM
Are there any predictions for this weekends game?  I myself have to go with Whitewater upon seeing the scores put up by what must be a juggernaut of an offense.  I hope for their sake that no key players get into "trouble" before saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on December 15, 2005, 11:01:35 AM
I can't give a score, but I think it will be a close game.  I think that Whitewater will win it.  After beating Linfield at Linfield and destroying Wesley I don't think it matters how good Mount Union's defense is now.  I don't think it will be a blow out, or even a high scoring game, but I think Whitewater comes out on top.  However, aftering beating Wesley that bad they might be a little overconfident which can bite them in the butt.  Its up to the coaches and seniors to keep the team focused this week.  If they can do that, then I think they will win.  Whoever wins I think it will be a really close game and it might come down to who has the ball last.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 19, 2005, 01:17:58 PM
Congrats to Trinity's Dustin Allen, named honorable-mention All-America (http://www.d3football.com/tow/05/allamericans.htm) by the national D3football.com voters.   He was the only SCAC player named to the team. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 21, 2005, 06:48:01 PM
(El Tea Gray) (2005 Final D3 Polls)

Trinity ranked 19th in 2005 Final D3 football.com Poll and 17th in 2005 Final AFCA D3 Poll. Truthfully, this is about where the Tigers should NOW be rated, and they probably should not have been ranked much higher any time during the season (possibly 15th at the end of the regular season schedule). Certainly the rankings of 7th and even 10th were ..., well you know!

Projection: TU starts 2006 Preseason ranked "a real" 15th, based on Black Flag strength, and if the Offense gells (it will) moves up to "a real" 7th (maybe 5th) by the regular schedules end.  Playoffs ???

Comments?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on December 23, 2005, 04:45:57 AM
Hard to say.  The Tigers have quite a few gaps to replace on the o-line with Farney being the only returning starter.  Despite the loss of two great runnig backs (both having been at least voted once on the SCAC 1st team) there is legitamate promise on Baer, especially with a sizeable Plotnick in the backfield.  I think the real question is whether Cannon is going to be able connect with his receivers next year.  Surely next years o-line with have a big deal to do with that.  As far as the defense goes, there were some good players lost, but with what hey have coming back i think last year's Black Flag will be as formidable if not more.  And Allen will a 1st team all-american.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 23, 2005, 10:26:32 AM
Quote from: B/L Tiger on December 23, 2005, 04:45:57 AM
And Allen will a 1st team all-american.

I was a bit disappointed to see him only 2nd-team all-South, to be honest.  That's what happens when the team doesn't have the success it has enjoyed in seasons past - players get overlooked.  His play was IMO deserving of first-team regional honors.

I was happy that the national voters got it right and that should put him on some other people's radar.  It's not easy being a dominant DT when you're 5'11" but Dustin's heart (and play) is much larger. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 23, 2005, 06:55:15 PM
Bonzo,
Once again you are right-on; Dustin Allen's heart and game is at least 6'5"--275lb. IMHO there are a number of other Black Flaggers on the squad with huge hearts as well. I just can't wait until August!

B/L Tiger,
I kind of see Blake taking over the starting job from Jake this summer; he just seems to see downfield so much better. I think the old saying "when you have two starting Quarterbacks, you don't really have a Quarterback" may have been true for the Tigers this past season. If that happens again this next year (I truly believe it won't) then "for shame on us".

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on January 05, 2006, 12:48:05 AM
HOOK'em Horns!

Congrats to the great state of Texas. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on January 05, 2006, 05:40:42 AM
Seconded.  Best of luck to Houston in getting that idiot's (Bush) esteem up to par for NFL standards after one of the most bone-head of plays I have ever seen.  Not that the state of Texas, or Houston,  isn't thankful (along with that blown non recall call on UT's first touchdown).  But lets not make this the D1 Football.com forum.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 05, 2006, 03:13:06 PM
My son seems to believe that DPU's db coach Kaz will be leaving to be the DC and asst head coach at Butler with former DPU coach voris.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on January 05, 2006, 03:20:40 PM
Quote from: tigerdadplm on January 05, 2006, 03:13:06 PM
My son seems to believe that DPU's db coach Kaz will be leaving to be the DC and asst head coach at Butler with former DPU coach voris.

Jeff Voris is a high quality coach.  He is a good leader and had the respect of the DePauw team when he was the offensive coordinator a few (too many :)) years ago.

He turned around the Carroll program and I expect him to do the same at Butler.  I am very interested in seeing how he performs there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 06, 2006, 10:27:44 PM
Austin College Names Gage Head Football Coach

SHERMAN – Austin College officials announced today that two-time Texas 5A State Championship football coach Ronnie Gage will take over the Austin College Kangaroos football program.

Gage, a native of Decatur, Texas, comes to the Austin College athletics department from Lewisville High School, where he served as Head Football Coach and Athletic Director from 1991-2005.  While at Lewisville, Gage coached the Farmers to two Texas 5A State Championships and was named the District 5-5A Coach of the Year three times and the District 6-5A Coach of the Year twice. 

Gage also earned District 5-4A Coach of the Year honors while serving as the Head Coach of Northwest High.  Gage coached at Northwest from 1987-1990, and in his 18 years of coaching at the high school level compiled a career record of 137-60-9.  Before becoming the Head Coach at Northwest, Gage served as Offensive Coordinator at Lewisville from 1984-1986, and as Running Backs Coach at Lewisville from 1981-1983.  During that time the Farmers compiled 48-15-6 record and were two-time District Champions.

Gage's teams have won five District Championships, were three times area finalists, and twice were regional finalists.  Gage served as the President of the Texas High School Coaches Association in 2004 and 2005, and was the regional director in 1999.  In that same year he was a recipient of the Fox Sports Coach Who Makes a Difference award.  Gage has twice been named the Texas Sportswriters Coach of the Year, along with being honored twice as the Northeast Tarrant County Coach of the Year.  In addition, he was named the Dallas All-Sports Association Coach of the Year in 1996, after leading Lewisville to a perfect 15-0 season and a state title.

"In addition to his coaching credits, we feel that Ronnie's other attributes make him an excellent fit for this institution," said Vice President for Student Affairs and Athletics Tim Millerick.  "He is a fine man with a long record of success working with young people and he came with exceptional recommendations from sources both within and outside of the athletics community.  He understands and is committed to the delicate balance between athletics and academics at an NCAA Division III institution.  He has expressed excitement about the opportunities that lie ahead for the Austin College football program as it enters the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference."

Gage is a 1976 graduate of the University of North Texas, where he earned his degree in Physical Education & Health, and later earned his Masters of Education with a focus on Public School Administration from UNT in 1980.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 07, 2006, 11:47:01 AM
roocru,

You scooped Bonzo ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on January 08, 2006, 11:54:16 AM
Congratulations to Dustin Allen of Trinity and Brian Steinert of Rhodes for being selected to the 1st team defense on Don Hansen's South Region All American Team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 09, 2006, 11:04:04 AM
Will Gage need to change the culture at AC or will he have to change to meet the needs of AC?  I would have to assume that at each school, football support and expectations are quite different in comparison.  Somewhere the approaches are going to have to overlap in order for him to build a successful program. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 09, 2006, 02:42:03 PM
I think it's a little of both.  No doubt Gage will have less talent to work with at AC than he did in Lewisville.  At the same time, I think the move into the SCAC will let AC recruit its target athletes more effectively, and the school will adjust to do that. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 05:48:58 PM
That means some head-to-head competition for Trinity more than anything! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 09, 2006, 06:46:18 PM
Ralph,

Don't you really mean  ??? instead of  :) , but I hope so too!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on January 09, 2006, 07:14:38 PM
Wow,,, is there going to be a salary cap issue with DIII coaches????

http://www.dallasnews.com/s/dws/news/dmn/stories/010806dnspocoachsalaries.2a4475f.html

It's pretty crazy what Dallas area HS coaches are paid.... does that mean AC gave Gage a raise?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 07:23:51 PM
High school football coaches are the one group of public school educators where there is some free-market competition!  The Teacher's unions across the US have homogenized mediocrity.  We are spending more per pupil and yet seeing diminishing College Admission Test scores for it.

My son's HS Calculus teacher could have earned $80K-$100K per year in a free market system!  Her BC Calculus Advanced Placement pass rate was >90%.

Good teachers with some more autonomy and more incentives could double their salaries.  Much of the increases in education monies spent have gone to buildings and to administrative overhead! >:(

I hope that Texas will pass the 65% rule...>65% of education monies will be spent on direct teaching salaries!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 09, 2006, 07:51:30 PM
Quote from: historymajor on January 09, 2006, 07:14:38 PM
It's pretty crazy what Dallas area HS coaches are paid.... does that mean AC gave Gage a raise?


Remember, HM, you're talking about an area where one district spent something like $25M on a HSFB stadium/indoor practice facilty (Southlake Carroll).  What's $100K for a coach?    :(

I find it hard to believe that AC will pay Gage more than the $90K he was apparently getting at Lewisville.  Maybe he was just ready for a different sort of challenge.  Also interesting that former HPU coach Vance Gibson is listed as making $90K at Frisco, too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 09, 2006, 08:58:24 PM
Coach Gage is not getting a raise from AC  to be paid more than he currently is.  He is actually retiring from the public school system and whatever money he makes at AC wil be paid in addition to his retirement.  This has become a common way for public school coaches to enter private schools and continue to coach when they tire of the issues in public schools or want a change in scenery. 

I am currently at the AFCA meeting in Dallas and the Morning News story has predictably been a hot topic of conversation.  All I can say is I agree teachers should be paid more.  However if any teacher wants to put in the hours coaches do in addition to their own teaching loads or be willing to get fired by the public at the whim of a few discontented parents because their test scores did not beat all the other teachers in their district, then they can complain about the difference in salaries. 

I know this statement may be controversial, but until you get fired with a winning record because you did not start a school board members' child or you get fired because you have one losing season in the past ten, you cannot understand the pressure and the reason why coaches get paid more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 09, 2006, 10:18:47 PM
Ralph,
I feel bad that I may be opening another can of worms and because of my job and where I am right now I may not be able to respond for a while but here goes....

     I have a problem with the so called 65% rule.  The issue boils down to what you classify as education spending and what is not. 
     Teacher's salaries definitely are, but what about counselors? School nurses? Janitors?  If you say these are not educational spending, they will go into the 35%? 
     One of the biggest expenses in public schools is transportation.  Does the cost of transporting students to school classify as an educational expense?  If it does what about transportation costs for extracurricular activities.  Do athletic busses, meals for athletes who travel all day or a three day trip for a tournament, or travel for one act play and debate count as educational expense as well or does it go into the 35%?  What about the variance in transportation for a school in West Texas which has to travel hundreds of miles for a district contest as opposed to a suburban district whose farthest district athletic contest is 15-20 miles?
     I know many people feel administrators are overpaid and districts are top heavy in that regard, but even if they are not, remember that these costs will go into the 35% as well. 
     Are coaches stipends for coaching teams part of the educational expense or do they go into the 35%?  If they do fall into the 35%, what about stipends for band directors, drama coaches, and all other extracurricular stipends?
     If nothing but pure educational expenses go into the 65%, there will not be enough money left to fund the things that are also considered valuable to local school districts. In my district, with all salaries being approximately 70 - 80% of the total budget, our current percentage is about 58% for purely educational expenses.  If most of the above questioned items fall into the 35% portion, the only way to correct the difference in 58% to 65% would be to slash extracurricular activities, student support services and school maintenance. 
     I believe the fact is that each school district has its own set of priorities and its own set of issues and where it spends its money is the responsibility of the elected school board of the community the school resides in and not in some state mandated proclamation.  I fully agree teachers should be paid more and I hope our legislators finally realize that public education deserves to be financed appropriately.  However, the 65% rule sounds good but I believe it is actually detrimental to the schools in Texas.

I will try to respond to any other opinions on this issue as soon as I am available again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 10:50:16 PM
roocru, what is the per pupil allocation in your district?

Total Gross Revenue (Federal, State and Local)/
Total number of students
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 09, 2006, 11:50:02 PM
Ralph,

I won't be able to answer that question until I return to my office.  It will be Thursday at the earliest.  I will try to get it for you though !
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2006, 11:52:41 PM
Thanks, roocru!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 10, 2006, 05:40:22 PM

Does this work?  I keep getting banned when I post. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 10, 2006, 05:57:21 PM

Interesting topic.  I've worked in Education for about five years, which is long enough for me to form a multi-point opinion-

1.  Everyone in every profession seems to think they are underpaid.

2.  The people who produce or handle money are the ones that should be taking the most money home.  Administrators make financial decisions that affect the school community and coaches bring in a whole lot of money at the gate. 

3.  Improved facilities make the job more desirable.  If that money went into the teachers' pockets, they might be arriving in nicer clothes and cars, but they would complain constantly about the poor conditions. 

4.  Teachers' impacts are overstated.  The way a person receives an education is determined by the values taught at home.  It all starts there.  Who makes a more positive contribution- A hard working illiterate that takes care of his property and family or a white collar ENRON crook with an MBA from Harvard?  One is more formally educated, but the other has values that contribute to the greater good.  No teacher taught them about that.

5.  No element determines the quality of an education more than the values of the student body.  One cannot teach without cooperation from the students, and if the students don't value education, they are less likely to cooperate. 

Those big money coaches get big bucks because they produce big bucks.  The administrators get big bucks because they make sure the schools' money doesn't disappear.  Teachers teach, which is critical, but the financial impact does not exist. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on January 10, 2006, 08:33:07 PM
Roocru,  Great points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on January 11, 2006, 12:02:44 AM
Hmmm... double dipping at AC.... interesting concept... Is he a Vet????  That'd make it triple dipping!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 12, 2006, 06:33:04 PM
Ralph,
Here is some of the information you asked about.

General Fund:
Total Budget .......................$251.6 million
  Payroll costs (80.0%).........$201.1 million

Revenues (% of budget):

Property taxes......................49.3%
Other Local Sources...............2.3%
State Sources........................47.4%
Federal Sources......................1.0%

General Fund Budgeted per Pupil Cost..........$6,941  (Based on Estimated Average Daily Attendance (ADA) of 36,249 students)

Expenditures (% of Budget)
Instruction/Instruction-related........................58.8%
Instructional and School Leadership...............8.0%
Administrative Support....................................3.2%
Support Services-Student Based.....................10.5%
Support Services-Non Student Based..............17.2%
Ancillary Services..............................................0.5%
Debt Service.....................................................1.5%
Facilities Acquisition and Construction..............0.0%
Other Uses.......................................................0.3%

My total athletic budget which includes stipends, athletic administrators, office staff, intramural programs, natatorium costs, staff development and all sport related travel and equipment costs is $4,365,566 or about 1.7% of the total budget.  If you exclude personnel accounts, the athletic total is $1,800,749 or about  0.7% of the total.

In addition we are the only department which returns money to the general fund.  Last year it was about $470,000 in ticket sales returned to the budget.  It is not returned to the athletic budget but goes into the general fund only !! 

I often get a kick out those people who think we can solve our educational money probelems by cutting back in athletics.  If you cut athletics entirely you would only be saving 1.7% of a budget where 80% goes to salaries alone.

Questions are welcome!



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2006, 08:51:18 PM
roocru,  your $6900 per student allocation is a great value.

I cannot argue with your allocation because I cannot see how there are much in savings that an alternative system would provide.

When we are hearing of per student spending in the 5-figure range, you can imagine my consternation.

My main frustration with the Richardson school district when my children were there was the number of assistant superintendents.  The organization chart looked like there were about 3 layers between the Superintendent and the student that could be eliminated.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 17, 2006, 09:06:21 PM
roocru, here is an article about the Vouchers in Milwaukee that explains some of my concerns about public education.

Private school voucher $6381

Public school spending -- 80% higher ($11,485)

http://www.opinionjournal.com/diary/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 17, 2006, 11:49:41 PM
Ralph,

I just saw your message and will try to read it and respond further later.  However, one glaring difference in the Milwaukee example and the vast majority of schools in Texas lies in the fact that Milwaukee's teachers are unionized.   I will agree in every sense that teacher unions are a large part of any educational problems wherever they exist.  It is hard enough now in Texas to get rid of poor teachers through our current legal system.  When you add the collective bargaining agreements and power that unions have, they are going to resist any change that affects any of their members.  They are going to fight for every penny they can.  This does not make them evil, it is just that they are doing what they are designed to do.

Once again, I will be out of town for an athletic director's meeting for my region.  It is so close to the UIL realignment that I have to make every one of these meetings I can, but I will get back to the board as soon as possible. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on January 18, 2006, 02:56:25 AM
For underpaying teachers so greatly for so long, taxpayers have gotten what they deserve in the form of teachers' unions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 20, 2006, 12:07:44 AM
Ralph and Frank,

I posted my response to you guys on the ASC board.  Got to share the wealth and not bore all the SCAC fans to tears.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 20, 2006, 08:28:30 AM
Trinity grad Jerheme Urban is one of several Seahawk players credited and quoted in a Seattle Post-Intelligencer article (http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/football/256316_theyear20.html) entitled "Home, because of 5 plays." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fico on January 21, 2006, 12:14:36 PM
Dustin Allen was named 2nd team AA by Football Gazette.  Congrats to him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 24, 2006, 07:43:44 PM
Bonzo,

I know there has been an attempt to get the SCAC members to post their 2006 Football Schedules earlier than in the past. Any luck with this effort? TU shows four "open dates" during the eleven week D3 season; the Tigers appear to still need to fill three of these openings. Can this be true, TU only has seven games on the current 2006 schedule???  Comments.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on January 24, 2006, 11:19:06 PM
Trinity is listed in the open dates for 10/7 but they are on Huntingdon's schedule for that date.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 25, 2006, 12:00:06 AM
Trinity's schedule from their website today includes six home games, four away and one bye week (10/14):

    2006 Trinity Tigers Football Schedule

Sep 02   EAST TEXAS BAPTIST UNIVERSITY  6:00 PM
Sep 09 @ Texas Lutheran University      6:00 PM
Sep 16   UNIVERSITY OF REDLANDS         7:30 PM
Sep 23   DePAUW UNIVERSITY *            TBA
Sep 30   AUSTIN COLLEGE *               1:30 PM
Oct 07 @ Huntingdon College             1:30 PM
Oct 21 @ Centre College *               2:30 PM
Oct 28   RHODES COLLEGE *               1:30 PM
Nov 04   UNIVERSITY OF THE SOUTH *      1:30 PM
Nov 11 @ Millsaps College *             TBA
         
           HOME GAMES IN UPPERCASE
         * Denotes SCAC Conference Game


With Austin College joining the SCAC this season, TU picked up ETBU for week one and AC replaces RHIT in week five.  Homes and Aways switch from 2005 except for DPU.  Word is that TU will scrimmage Monterrey Tech as usual in August.

Go Tigers ... keep the streaks alive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2006, 08:37:05 AM
I would grade the Trinity schedule as an "A", but even better than last year because of the departure of RHIT.  The historic rivalry between Trinity and Austin College now is a conference game, and TU has scheduled ETBU.

--All games are D3.

--Three of four non-conference games are South Region.

--No "cupcakes".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 25, 2006, 10:46:00 AM
Not to mention the fact that I have an opportunity to see one of the better teams from the SCIAC. 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2006, 11:04:31 AM
My thoughts:

(1) ETBU is going to be a lot tougher opener than AC.  Gonna have to bring the "A" game in week one. 
(2) Playing at Huntingdon is going to be a challenge if the Hawks continue to improve at the rate shown the last couple of years.  They bring everyone back and should be favored to win at home.  Glad TU and HC resolved whatever the problems were that at one point took the games off the schedule last year. 
(3) Please, Redlands, do what's right and fly the kids out on Friday.  Nobody's best interests were served when you travelled on Saturday AM to save a few bucks two years ago.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2006, 01:18:24 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on January 25, 2006, 11:04:31 AM
My thoughts:

(1) ETBU is going to be a lot tougher opener than AC.  Gonna have to bring the "A" game in week one.  ...
(

Ron, I was going to say the same thing about ETBU, but they have the chance to win this one! (vs playing SAU.) :) ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on January 25, 2006, 04:19:07 PM
Ralph,  I agree with your assesment of Trinity's schedule.  Their first 2 games should also say a lot about the ASC.  I'm glad to see a team playing this type of schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2006, 05:29:43 PM
One other thought:  assuming ETBU and Redlands are both two-year home/away deals, 2007-8 is going to be a bear with Trinity starting the season with four of the first five games on the road against pretty stiff competition (at ETBU, at Redlands, at DePauw in the first four).   Ouch.  Of course, 2006-7 will be just the opposite with 4-of-5 at home and the road game only 35 miles away. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 25, 2006, 05:40:27 PM
TigerDad,

Thanks for updating TU's 2006 Football Schedule; I know there are many Tiger fans that can't wait to see the Baer turned loose.

Ron/Ralph/Bill,

All of your 2006 Trinity Schedule comments are certainly well taken by me, but  for some reason I'm still thinking "Black Flag".





Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 25, 2006, 05:56:22 PM

Okay, let's not start hyping the kid now.  If he were really good enough to deserve hype now, he would be on a scholarship somewhere.  You even refer to him as "the" Baer.  The Tigers can't assume anything at this point.  I think it's going to be a pivotal year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2006, 07:10:47 PM
Speaking of Huntingdon, here is their 2006 schedule:

9/2 @ Ithaca
9/9 Sewanee *
9/16 @ Millsaps *
9/23 @ Rhodes *
9/30 Wesley *
10/7 Trinity  * (Homecoming)
10/14 @ Colorado College
10/21 @ Thomas More *
11/04 @ SAGU (non-D3)
11/11 LaGrange *

* indicate regional games

With Ithaca, Wesley, Trinity, Thomas More on the schedule the Hawks are looking to bulk up their level of competition.  Too bad Ithaca won't count in the SoSI calculations.   Closing with LaGrange (first year program) should ensure they don't lose their last game should they find themselves in contention for a Pool B slot next season ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 26, 2006, 11:31:55 PM
Sad news from Austin College.  My prayers to the family !!!

Auto Accident Claims Life of Austin College Student

SHERMAN – Austin College freshman Brittany Simpson, 18, of The Woodlands, Texas, was killed in an automobile accident near Madisonville, Texas, Tuesday morning.

Simpson, a member of the women's basketball team and Austin College Leadership Institute, was traveling northbound on Interstate 45 from her home in The Woodlands to Sherman when her vehicle collided with a southbound Hyundai, according to Department of Public Safety Trooper Jeff Pirtle.

"The entire Austin College community is saddened by this tragedy," Austin College President Oscar Page said.  "Many of our students make their presence known well beyond the borders of campus.  Still a freshman, Brittany had already begun taking full advantage of the opportunities available to her both on and off campus.  Our thoughts and prayers are with her family, friends, classmates, teachers, and the many people whose lives she touched." 

"Brittany was a wonderful young woman who graced our campus with her positive personality and smile," said Vice President for Student Affairs and Athletics Tim Millerick.  "She found Austin College the year she participated with the John Cooper School in the Sherman High School Holiday basketball tournament, during which her team competed in our facility.  She was a special person that we will all miss very much."

Austin College women's basketball coach Deb Hunter said of Simpson, "Brittany Simpson embraced life.  She enjoyed every minute of every moment.  She lived with passion."

Simpson is survived by her parents, Joy and David Simpson, and two brothers.

Services for Simpson will be at 3 p.m. Sunday, Jan. 29, 2006, at Fellowship Church in the The Woodlands.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 27, 2006, 12:03:48 PM
According to my son, several assistants at DPU have left or are leaving.  Another player who is doing an internship with the program also confirmed that rumor.  From the way it sounds I think they are being forced out by Rogers, I personally think its sad if true.  >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 27, 2006, 12:07:23 PM
Hmmmm ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 27, 2006, 12:45:10 PM

It makes me wonder what that program could have been with consistent leadership.  They've had 3 head coaches in the last three years and now all the assistants are jumping ship.  All the while, they've been pretty impressive.  Usually that's the result of poor leadership by the AD.  Anyone have any insight on the matter?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 27, 2006, 02:37:12 PM
The first two coaching changes were out of his (AD's) control and Lynch was probably as good a coach as DPU could get to follow Nick.  I personally think the last hire was a mistake, there has been nothing but negative things coming from the players.  Everytime my son and I talk football, it negative.  Everytime I'm at his frat house I hear nothing but negative.  And now that there are going to be assistant coaches leaving, I think its going to get worse.  They won alot of games last year, guess what they had good players.  I hope someone gets things under control soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: mizzou_mafia on January 27, 2006, 02:59:53 PM
Maybe try posting this on the Basketball board for more response?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 27, 2006, 03:05:45 PM
Quote from: tigerdadplm on January 27, 2006, 02:37:12 PM
The first two coaching changes were out of his (AD's) control and Lynch was probably as good a coach as DPU could get to follow Nick.  I personally think the last hire was a mistake, there has been nothing but negative things coming from the players.  Everytime my son and I talk football, it negative.  Everytime I'm at his frat house I hear nothing but negative.  And now that there are going to be assistant coaches leaving, I think its going to get worse.  They won alot of games last year, guess what they had good players.  I hope someone gets things under control soon.

I don't know the situation, but I don't think DPU played at the level the did last season (arguably the best they have played since joining the SCAC) without someone who knows what he's doing at the top.

Sometimes when someone comes in with a different mindset there is a lot of resistance from people who were used to things the "old way."  It's natural.  It will be interesting to see if DPU sustains last year's high level of play in '06. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:11:59 PM
Ron, have you heard of any legislation/petitions by Colorado College to move to the South Evaluation Region.

That would give Huntingdon another South Region game. 

Or would they leave Colorado College in the West and allow the SCAC games to count as "in-region"?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:34:30 PM
One other thought about Huntingdon.

If they beat Ithaca and Ithaca made the playoffs, then they would have a win against a playoff team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2006, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:11:59 PM
Ron, have you heard of any legislation/petitions by Colorado College to move to the South Evaluation Region.

That would give Huntingdon another South Region game. 

Or would they leave Colorado College in the West and allow the SCAC games to count as "in-region"?

CC is at least as "South" as they are "West."  Don't think there's much difference in the mileage from Abilene to the Springs and the Springs to the nearest SCIAC school.  I haven't heard anything along any of these lines.  If Colorado College joins the SCAC the precedent (for FB, anyway) seems to have been set already that the SCAC is a South Region conference no matter how ludicrous it seems. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2006, 11:28:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on January 29, 2006, 10:34:22 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 28, 2006, 03:11:59 PM
Ron, have you heard of any legislation/petitions by Colorado College to move to the South Evaluation Region.

That would give Huntingdon another South Region game. 

Or would they leave Colorado College in the West and allow the SCAC games to count as "in-region"?

CC is at least as "South" as they are "West."  Don't think there's much difference in the mileage from Abilene to the Springs and the Springs to the nearest SCIAC school.  I haven't heard anything along any of these lines.  If Colorado College joins the SCAC the precedent (for FB, anyway) seems to have been set already that the SCAC is a South Region conference no matter how ludicrous it seems. 

Actually, it is only about 650 miles from Colorado Springs to Abilene.  That makes Abilene the nearest D3 city, (except Lincoln NE). :)

Therefore, Colorado College has no other schools for which they could invoke the 200-mile radius rule.  In the new SCAC, CC would play a 7-game conference schedule.

That would leave Wash StL, the ASC, South Region Indepedents Huntingdon and LaGrange as good possibilities for in-region non-conference games.  Of the ASC teams, CC has only played McMurry in the last 7 years.  CC has traditionally only played a 9-game schedule.  A ten-game schedule may help incrementally in recruiting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on January 30, 2006, 09:16:48 AM
bfb-  i WOULD AGREE WITH EVERYTHING THAT YOU SAID, BUT THERE WAS NONE OF THIS WHEN LYNCH TOOK OVER AND HE CHANGED EVERYTHING, THE OFFENSE THE DEFENSE...EVERYTHING.  I THINK THIS HAS MORE TO DO WITH THE WAY THE PLAYERS ARE TREATED ON A DAILY BASIS
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 30, 2006, 12:18:55 PM
I've just heard from a reliable source that Coach Karras is leaving RHIT to start the new program at Marian College.    If true, Karras will be missed ... he did a good job with the Engineers and I was looking forward to seeing how he and the team would make the transition to the HCAC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 02, 2006, 07:59:44 AM
As of right now the only assistant that has left DePauw is Coach Kaz.  He went to Butler to be the defensive coordinator.  Other than that, no one has officially left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 03, 2006, 12:41:40 PM
I just heard word that David Saunders has resigned as the Millsaps head coach and will be taking a position at Ole Miss.  That's the total extent of what I've heard and I don't know if any details have been provided on a new coach, the search for a new coach, etc.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 03, 2006, 06:30:01 PM
Looks as if the rumor is true, once again leaving Millsaps up in the air at the height of the off-season.  My next question is what does Dubose do?  More to come I am sure:

http://olemisssports.collegesports.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/020306aaa.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 04, 2006, 06:41:24 AM
According to this morning's Tuscaloosa News, Dubose is taking over.

DuBose named head coach at Millsaps College

February 04. 2006 3:15AM

Former University of Alabama head football coach Mike DuBose is a head coach once again.

DuBose will take over the Millsaps College football program, the school announced today. The Jackson (Miss.) Clarion-Ledger also reported the hiring on Friday.

DuBose, 53, replaces David Saunders, who resigned to return to Ole Miss as an assistant.

DuBose coached the Crimson Tide from 1997-2000. He led Alabama to the 1999 SEC title but was fired after a disastrous 3-8 season in 2000. Alabama was also placed on NCAA probation in 2002 for violations that occurred during DuBose's tenure, although DuBose himself was not specifically cited in the NCAA Infractions Report.

Saunders served as the Majors' coach for three seasons after serving as the Ole Miss recruiting coordinator from 1998-2002. He replaces Shawn Slocum as linebackers coach at Ole Miss. Slocum resigned from coach Ed Orgeron's staff to take an assistant coaching position with the Green Bay Packers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 04, 2006, 09:38:29 AM
Here's a link to the Millsaps coaching story from the local Jackson newspaper:
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060204/SPORTS030105/602040328/0/SPORTS

Millsaps had an extremely young team last year with something like 50 freshmen on the roster and many of them playing key roles.  Mike DuBose as an assistant coach made an interesting story and might have brought in a few extra players.  Mike DuBose as a head coach might be just the thing to give the program that extra push needed to get to a much higher level. 

There was a lot of talent at Millsaps last year but not a lot of playing experience.  With those players returning with a year of experience under their belt, plus the potential boost to recruiting that a former SEC head coach might bring, plus the assumption that DuBose must be a pretty good head coach, plus an infusion of new enthusiasm into the program, I could see it all adding up to a fairly rapid rise in the Millsaps football program. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 04, 2006, 10:25:55 AM
Here's confirmation that Karras is leaving Rose-Hulman:

http://www.tribstar.com/sports/local_story_033233810.html?keyword=secondarystory

And a new coach will be announced by NAIA member Marian today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 04, 2006, 11:10:38 AM
Rose-Hulman's announcement (dated today, includes Karras' next stop at Marian):

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/football/karrasres.htm

Offensive coordinator Steve Englehart will serve as interim head coach for recruiting purposes while the head coaching vacancy is being filled.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 04, 2006, 12:58:50 PM
Hmmm... leads one to speculate as to whether or not Karras's decision to move on had anything to go with RHIT's baseball coach and AD's move to leave the SCAC????  Does anybody know what Marion's future plans are wrt to conference affiliation?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RHIT04 on February 04, 2006, 03:30:14 PM
Marian College is an NAIA school in Indianapolis.  They may be associated with the Mid-States Football League, which is affiliated with NAIA.  St. Xavier in Chicago is also in the MSFL, where Coach Karras coached before he came to Rose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 04, 2006, 03:42:21 PM
Dubose will do well at Millsaps.  If he's interested in building a program, here's his chance.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2006, 03:55:30 PM
Quote from: historymajor on February 04, 2006, 12:58:50 PM
Hmmm... leads one to speculate as to whether or not Karras's decision to move on had anything to go with RHIT's baseball coach and AD's move to leave the SCAC????  Does anybody know what Marion's future plans are wrt to conference affiliation?

My first impression is that RHIT has a better chance of winning the HCAC than the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 05, 2006, 10:04:04 AM
For those who are interested, here is the press release put out by Millsaps on the promotion of Mike DuBose to head coach:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/news/dubose-newcoach.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 05, 2006, 12:48:22 PM
Quote from: warriorhog51 on February 02, 2006, 07:59:44 AM
As of right now the only assistant that has left DePauw is Coach Kaz.  He went to Butler to be the defensive coordinator.  Other than that, no one has officially left.

Hog-  from what I understand, DL was asked not to return...and RB caoch will no longer coach football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 05, 2006, 10:38:25 PM
It was nice to see Jerheme Urban on the sidelines in the SuperBowl...  guess he'll just have to get healthy and win that ring next year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 06, 2006, 11:40:10 AM
tigerdad - Coach Hreha (DL) has been at DePauw almost 30 coaching, and played at DePauw.  I think it would be hard to ask him to retire.  I think that he has earned the right to leave when he wants to.  Coach Walker, who moved over to RB this year is also the head baseball coach.  I have not heard anything about him not coaching football anymore and just coaching baseball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 06, 2006, 11:43:35 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 04, 2006, 06:41:24 AM
According to this morning's Tuscaloosa News, Dubose is taking over.

DuBose named head coach at Millsaps College

February 04. 2006 3:15AM


Look out, Millsaps secretaries!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 06, 2006, 02:16:45 PM
Quote from: warriorhog51 on February 06, 2006, 11:40:10 AM
tigerdad - Coach Hreha (DL) has been at DePauw almost 30 coaching, and played at DePauw.  I think it would be hard to ask him to retire.  I think that he has earned the right to leave when he wants to.  Coach Walker, who moved over to RB this year is also the head baseball coach.  I have not heard anything about him not coaching football anymore and just coaching baseball.

The fact that he has earned the respect to leave on his own is why I am so upset about it.  I agree with you on that point, he (Hreha) who recruitied and coached my son has told him that they (rogers/adm) are trying to force him out.  As far as the rb coach...I do not have solid info on that so I guess we'll just have to see.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 06, 2006, 05:04:27 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on February 06, 2006, 11:43:35 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on February 04, 2006, 06:41:24 AM
According to this morning's Tuscaloosa News, Dubose is taking over.

DuBose named head coach at Millsaps College

February 04. 2006 3:15AM


Look out, Millsaps secretaries!

We all make mistakes ttu719803, thankfully for Dubose, he was able to maintain his family and thank God for second chances!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 06, 2006, 05:57:55 PM
Any ideas on who will coach the Majors in 2007?  I guarantee it won't be Millsaps.  I called it last spring- he'll be at Millsaps two years tops.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 06, 2006, 06:13:06 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on February 06, 2006, 05:57:55 PM
Any ideas on who will coach the Majors in 2007?  I guarantee it won't be Millsaps.  I called it last spring- he'll be at Millsaps two years tops.   

I doubt that Mr. Millsaps will coach the Majors in 2007, either.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 06, 2006, 07:41:55 PM
DuBose is well respected and well liked by the players at Millsaps.  From all accounts, he's learned a lot about division III football in 10 months time.  I believe that he would not have accepted the job unless he really had the intention of staying at Millsaps in order to build a competitive program.  For all Majors fans, let's hope this is true. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 06, 2006, 08:34:22 PM
Bonzo,

I think 2698 actually means Ronnie Millsaps (aka Milsap); he of course would be their Voice Coach.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 06, 2006, 08:51:16 PM
Geez,,, consultant,,,,,, doesn't that kool-aid burn just a little bit going down?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 06, 2006, 10:10:42 PM

Highly respected and well-liked by players at the collegiate level is overrated.  I don't know of many winners that have built their reputations on that quality. 

Consultant, do you really think that if someone from say, Louisiana-Monroe offers him a job to work with scholarship athletes that he's not going to take it?  That he's going to choose to stay at Millsaps?  I doubt that he's had an epiphany via his stint at MC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 07, 2006, 03:35:56 AM
TU2698 and History,

I'd say most reputable coaches on the high school level, collegiate level, and the professional level are highly respected and well-liked by their players.  I believe that student-athletes, particularly on the D III level, take more of a sense of ownership of their team when they have a head coach who is not only a good Xs and Os guy, but also a coach who motivates and inspires his team to make the team their own.  Good coaches are good leaders.  For example, I've long been under the impression that Trinity's Steve Mohr is admired by players and fellow coaches for his football wisdom and his ability to relate to his players in a positive and winning way.  Am I wrong?  Is this not why he's successful?

I think it speaks volumes that on Friday morning after Saunders announced his resignation that numerous Millsaps' football players went immediately to Athletic Director Ron Jurney to voice a vote of confidence for DuBose. 

Moreover, yes I do think DuBose will stay at Millsaps.  I don't think his epiphany dawned on him when he stepped foot on the Millsaps campus, though.  I think it happened when he got run out of Alabama.

And really, Millsaps hasn't exactly had a head coach with a long tenure in over a decade plus, and I do not apologize for wanting to see Millsaps become competitive again even if Mike DuBose is calling the plays right now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 07, 2006, 09:24:27 AM
Quote from: historymajor on February 06, 2006, 08:51:16 PM
Geez,,, consultant,,,,,, doesn't that kool-aid burn just a little bit going down?

History, your comment does not make sense to me?  Help me understand why it is a big deal to support your school and your coach?  If that means jumping on the Dubose bandwagon, so be it.  The guy deserves a second chance, the team has no where to go but up and I'm glad they made the decision to hire him . . . despite his history.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2006, 09:56:55 AM
First off, let it me said that I hope that Millsaps and DuBose have a long and successful relationship.  It would be wonderful if he has conquered the demons which seemed to plague him at 'bama and at the same time had an epiphany regarding college football.  More competitive teams in the SCAC means a better performance for conference representatives come playoff time, the possibility of a Pool C bid, etc ...

At the same time, I have seen too many upper-division coaches drop down to D-III just long enough to establish their bona fides and hop right back when presented the chance.  I can't fault anyone for taking a position with greater pay/adulation/etc., but at the same time would be lying if I said that I don't expect DuBose to be among that number.  With luck I will be wrong. 

In any case, we should be in for a couple of interesting years in the SCAC, especially should another school or two join the conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 07, 2006, 11:57:38 AM
tigerdad -
I know that Coach Rogers wants to bring in his people, which is at the least understandable.  I think had he stayed Coach Lynch would have done the same thing.  Note the hiring of Coach Nystrom, the def. coord. this year.  I also know that Coach Hreha is only wanting to coach for one or two more years because of his detioratiing physical capabilities.  I would be very upset if Coach Rogers and the administration forces him out before he is ready to go.  He is, to me, the definition of DePauw football.  To force a guy like Coach Hreha out would be a huge mistake because of his knowledge of the univeristy and the great history of the program.  To loose his knowledge of football and all of his knowledge would be enormous.  Mentally, Coach Hreha is as sharp as a razor blade, but his limited physical capabilities are the only thing pushing him toward retirement at this point.  I would be very sad to see him go, as would all of the DePauw football alum from the last 30 years.  I hope that he gets to retire on his terms and not because someone else wants him to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 07, 2006, 01:34:57 PM
Hog-  what i don't think you understand is that Lynch (a far better and more knowledgable coach)  did not make ANY changes to the staff in the year he was on campus.  Rogers has now forced 2 coaches out...you can believe they left on their own if you want but I know different, Kazmerzak and Hill did not leave on their own.  And the rumored changes to come will not be done the right way either.  We'll just have to see how good of a coach rogers is next year....a monkey could have won with last years talent...oh wait a monkey did win with last years talent.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 07, 2006, 01:47:22 PM
Consultant,

My best friend is MC class of '98 and I can't get him to ride with me two hours to Alumni Field for one game, much less the Trinity game.  I certainly admire your support and passion for your school.  Such sentiments as yours cannot be underestimated.  I would be happy to see a more competitive conference, but I just don't share your outlook for Dubose's future nor am I convinced that he is a quality football coach particularly for D3.  As for Steve Mohr, I wouldn't say he's popular with players.  The guy has a great amount of respect from all angles, but one of his greatest qualities is that he's a straight shooter, which, as you know doesn't always go over well with 18-22 year old guys who wonder why they aren't playing.  I really had no relationship with him as a player or as an alumnus, but he's committed to winning and to doing it with class and I think the world of him for it.  More so now than when I was playing.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 07, 2006, 03:04:29 PM
TU, is your friend a former player or just former student?  I think consultant was referring more to former and current football players, may be wrong . . . that being said, here is to hoping Dubose proves his doubters wrong and revives a Millsaps program that has been for the most part down and out since 1996.  Now, onward and upward to different topics of interest around the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 07, 2006, 04:47:28 PM

He's just an alumnus.  His only affiliation is Kappa Sig.  I tried to get him to play but I think he was scared of me. 

I'll see you Majors fans at the hanger on Sunday.  I'm pumped for my once every two years look at the TU basketball teams. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2006, 05:05:35 PM
2698, do head on over to the basketball board and leave your thoughts on the game there.  Not a whole lot of in-person reports on TU over there. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 07, 2006, 05:53:46 PM
tigerdad-
I know and fully understand that Lynch did not make any staff changes, even though there were changes (e.g.  McMartin going to Central).  I also know that Lynch also completely changed the offense and significantly overhauled the defense.  I also never said that Kaz and Hill left on their own.   I know that they both have aspirations of being coordinators and/or head coaches somewhere.  Frankly, I was not sad to see Kaz leave.  I never thought he was a very good coach.  Something you may or may not have known is that Kaz actually interviewed for several positions elsewhere last year, but did not get them.  Also, I never said that changes would be done the right way.  I can't say that Coach Rogers has always done things the right way.  I was only talking about Coach Hreha's situation and not any of the other assistants.  I only was commenting on how I think it would be a shame to force out such a great man and coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 08, 2006, 07:53:43 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on February 07, 2006, 04:47:28 PM

He's just an alumnus.  His only affiliation is Kappa Sig.  I tried to get him to play but I think he was scared of me. 

I'll see you Majors fans at the hanger on Sunday.  I'm pumped for my once every two years look at the TU basketball teams. 

TU2698--I think you'll see a good game this Sunday.  I don't know if it will be Senior Day or if they will do that on Friday when the crowd should be larger.  I'll be the guy taking pictures from various locations--look for an out of shape guy with a black camera and a big white lens.

Even though you'll be supporting the "wrong" team Sunday, I appreciate your effort as an alum to support your school and the present day athletes.  I've been working some with the Millsaps athletic department on ways that they can get the alums more involved in attending athletic events (I say working, they may call it pestering).  One thing that the DuBose hiring does is it raises the profile of the program and it might encourage some alums like your friend to take a look.  Of course, that only works in the short term and for a long term renewal of interest you need results on the field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2006, 02:54:11 PM
HOW long until football season starts up again ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 09, 2006, 03:56:16 PM



Poise, man!  Poise!  Focus on basketball while our guys get bigger in the weight room. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on February 10, 2006, 03:11:54 AM
A buddy of mine sent me this link today.....

It's the same ole stuff about DuBose, but it was on SportingNews.com

Read if you're interested.....

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=60411
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 10, 2006, 06:32:45 PM
Bonzo,

If you call the new "Spring Training" football season (I do), then there are about seven or eight weeks until the season starts.   ;D

TigerDad, 

Is the 2006 TU Football Schedule that you posted some time ago an "official version"; the Trinity football website still has not updated from the 2005 schedule?   ???

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 12, 2006, 03:41:51 PM
ETG,,, it's official (except for the 2 TBA's regarding start times).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 15, 2006, 08:27:44 AM
There's an interesting column on Mike DuBose in the Jackson newspaper today:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060215/COL0511/60215004

For those who think this is just a stepping stone job, how many years do you think it would take to get back to a D1 head coaching job.  There would be several years required to build a program and prove his worth at Millsaps.  Then maybe a few years as a coordinator.  And then maybe a head coaching job when he is about 60 unless schools feel like he is too old to hire.  And at 60, who would want to go back to the non-stop, high pressure job of a D1 head coach?  I can easily see this as a long term job for Coach DuBose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rhitsid on February 15, 2006, 08:50:29 AM
For those who are interested, Rose-Hulman has promoted Steve Englehart to head football coach.  The Rose-Hulman release is online at

http://www.rose-hulman.edu/sports/football/englehartc.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 15, 2006, 10:36:29 AM
I wonder if he'll be as "lively" on the sidelines as the Karras boys were...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on February 16, 2006, 12:14:02 AM
That isn't possible
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 16, 2006, 12:22:38 PM
I think it is possible, he's a renegade going to a renegade program...should be interesting
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 16, 2006, 10:01:33 PM
Renegade program... Marian college? They have never had/played football yet! What are you talking about? Coach(es) Karras' like to have fun... they played ball at Northwestern and still think that they can "whip" anybody. They are from the "region" in northwest Indiana and are typical "Bears" type guys. Against Rhodes this year after the game was sealed at the end... coach Ted and his brother Tony did their traditional "chest butt" and it was fairly close to some Rhodes players who thought that the Rose coaches were "mocking" them. They took exception and started to mouth the Karras', and of course, that is all it took! The (RHIT) players had to hold them back! Of note, Tony had to have knee surgery after the season because when he and Ted did that "chest butt" thing, he landed wrong and tore it up!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 17, 2006, 11:39:54 AM
you know something is wrong when your players have to hold back your coaches from altercations with the other team
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 17, 2006, 12:45:52 PM
 Well, I won't go into too many details, but when I said that some "Rhodes players took exception", I was being nice. You can figure out the rest.
Rose won for the first time at Rhodes this past year, so everyone was up after the game, while Rhodes (it was their homecoming) was the opposite... which led to the "mouthing". It was not a "fight" and was never going to be one, just a shouting match.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachr on February 17, 2006, 08:42:53 PM
I watched that game, I saw someone get taken out, it appears that the right person learned a lesson at the end of that game. I do congratulate the Rose Hullman players, they were the better group that day. But I am pretty sure if I was on that field that day that loud mouth moron on Roses's sideline would have been taken out right after halftime. Some (not all) of their coaches were loud mouth jerks the entire game. But everyone has a right to act as they like, it just so happens that some people do have to pay the price for their actions.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on February 17, 2006, 09:09:23 PM
Quote from: buckydunk on February 16, 2006, 10:01:33 PM
Renegade program... Marian college? They have never had/played football yet! What are you talking about? Coach(es) Karras' like to have fun... they played ball at Northwestern and still think that they can "whip" anybody. They are from the "region" in northwest Indiana and are typical "Bears" type guys. Against Rhodes this year after the game was sealed at the end... coach Ted and his brother Tony did their traditional "chest butt" and it was fairly close to some Rhodes players who thought that the Rose coaches were "mocking" them. They took exception and started to mouth the Karras', and of course, that is all it took! The (RHIT) players had to hold them back! Of note, Tony had to have knee surgery after the season because when he and Ted did that "chest butt" thing, he landed wrong and tore it up!

Renegade as in they are NAIA (Not Actually Intercollegiate Athletics)...the entire Karras family has little class and you have to look no further than your post.  I enjoyed watching DPU put 60 on them this year.  That staff deserved every bit of it.  And as Karras hobbled off the field he could not contain himself from shouting curses at the DPU sideline.  The guy is bad for college football in my opinion I don't care if he is from the "region" or not.  My grandfather always told me that "the scared dog barks the loudest"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 17, 2006, 09:46:46 PM
Probably mad about the DePauw starters being in well into the 4th qtr. when they had 60 on the board. Word is, that is why they are not playing anymore.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 18, 2006, 01:45:01 PM
From what I saw Karras was not as big of a jerk on the sideline of the DPU game this year as he has been the last couple of years.  Maybe DPU going up 21-7 with 12:00 left in the first made him decide that he was going to have to actually coach instead of just taunt DePauw's players and staff.  DePauw and Rose are not playing anymore because Rose is leaving to go to the HCAC and Austin is coming to the SCAC in their place.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 19, 2006, 12:13:20 PM
True about the schedule (see below) and the league switch, but Rose had a couple of open spots to fill this year.
Earlham has been the first game for awhile and that was not going to change. MSJ has been the second game for the last two years and will remain, but be a league game in 2006. Concordia had been on the schedule for the last two years, but that was suppose to end last year.
North Park was another surprise that showed up when the schedule came out.
The athletic dept. at Rose stated that in 2007, Rose will try to pick-up maybe Centre or Sewanee out of the SCAC again as a non-league game, because (I think) Concordia is only a one year thing. I think Rose fans were surprised that DePauw didn't remain. It is too bad, they are only 40 miles apart and makes for a nice "mini" rivalry. Too bad that the actions during and the competative nature of the game (on either side), effects decisions to not play in the future.

Sat., Sept. 2      Earlham College
Sat., Sept. 9    College of Mount St. Joe
Sat., Sept. 16    Concordia University (Ill.)
Sat., Sept. 23    at North Park University    
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 20, 2006, 11:46:05 AM
I think Rose would rather keep their powderpuff schedule (Concordia?  Earlham?) than have a tough game against DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chicago Freakshow on February 20, 2006, 12:58:50 PM
whoever this tiger dad is has to be messed up. first of all, depauw is the only D3 school who thinks they are #1 yet have never made it to the playoffs! Ha Ha!
And dont talk about rose's "powderpuff schedule". depauw didnt have the balls to play trinity. depauw was the scac champ by default. sure they did kill rose but chose not to play trinity! so you depauw poor souls, you aint got nothin to even whisper about.


Chicago Freakshow
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 20, 2006, 02:34:10 PM
Don't even start about DePauw ducking Trinity.  That had nothing to do with their team and more to do with the administration not wanting to send their kids down here to play.

Yes, DePauw ended up as co-champs, but I'm sure they would rather have played Trinity and risked losing that status for a shot at the outright title than not playing at all.  That's more than you can say for Rose, who schedules some of the worst teams they can find, and then wonders why they get walloped when they play DePauw and Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on February 20, 2006, 03:08:09 PM
Just a point of clarification ... "TigerDad" and "tigerdadplm" are different posters with different opinions, comments and styles. 

"TigerDad" (that's me) is a Trinity dad and fan with no knowledge about nor comment on other SCAC coaches or their styles ... just thought I'd point that out. 

Just a suggestion, "plm" ... you're certainly entitled to express your thoughts as you wish, but you might think about using a different post name to avoid confusion ...  :-\

How about "Ralph Turnor" or "K-Mark"???   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on February 20, 2006, 04:03:57 PM
DePauw's schedule was already finalized and only has one open spot for Austin to come in, and that's the vacancy that Rose made by leaving.  DePauw is starting a home and away series with Anderson for the next several years, which is filling that week 1 opening where they played Welsey this past year.  I am sure there are lot of people on both sides that would have like to keep the Rose-DePauw "mini" rivalry going.  I am sure that one day it will get started again.
Also, Chicago Freakshow, I don't think you know anything about the DePauw-Trinity situation from this year.  The decision was made by administrators late in the day on Thursday to not make the trip.  If you ask any of the coaches or players I am sure they would have preferred to go, even with hurricane Rita on her way.  Also, attempts were made to reschedule the game, but nothing was able to be worked out.  So, don't say that Depauw did not have the balls to play Trinity because I am sure they would have played in the middle of the hurricane if they could have.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 20, 2006, 04:23:15 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on February 20, 2006, 02:34:10 PM

That's more than you can say for Rose, who schedules some of the worst teams they can find, and then wonders why they get walloped when they play DePauw and Trinity.

Since 2003, Rose has scheduled Wash U., Wheaton, Carnegie Mellon & Mt. St. Joe... yeah, I see what you mean, a bunch of cupcakes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 20, 2006, 05:15:41 PM
Wash U.?  Were they plaing them in the late 90's, because that's the last time Wash U was any good.  Then there's Earlham, Concordia, and Oberlin whom they played a total of 7 times compared to twice for Carnegie Mellon and Wheaton (since 2003). 

Is it a coincidence that their records have "improved" since 2003, or could it be due to the fact that they replaced CMU and Wheaton with Concordia and Oberlin?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: buckydunk on February 20, 2006, 06:16:26 PM
You are the one who said "worst teams they can find". Rose schedules according to the athletes that they can recruit. That scope is limited to the curriculum. I think they do a good job of mixing the "good" with the "bad".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 20, 2006, 07:17:59 PM
Let's all get over the FACT that DePauw cancelled the trip to TU and was NOT able to reschedule it.

I have made my opinions clear that DPU gambled, and it back-fired.

So DPU is still hungry to GET to the playoffs and TU is hungry to STAY in the playoffs.  RHIT is officially GONE, and AC is IN.  Has anybody heard the definitive WORD on CC????

With a new voice from Chi-town on the board.... let's keep it friendly and look forward and NOT back.

I understand the recruiting difficulties that RHIT endures.  TU doesn't necessarily appeal to the same engineering geeks, but has equally high admission standards.  I'm told that 1300 SAT doesn't get you in to TU without many other +'s... go figure!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chicago Freakshow on February 21, 2006, 10:48:10 AM
Does anyone think AU can make a statement in the SCAC???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 21, 2006, 12:37:49 PM
AU?  Do you mean Austin College?

If so, there will be a new coach at AC and he loses some talented seniors.  Gage has a good track record (two state 5A championships) and comes from that part of the state (Lewisville).  He will be recruiting against schools with similar academic standards and focus, and that should help AC get some players who, quite frankly, didn't want to get beat up week-in and week-out by teams in the ASC. 

Time will tell.  Gage has to adjust to dealing with the players available in D3, and at 1,370 students AC will be at a disadvantage against some of the larger FB schools.   The location (60 miles from Dallas) is pretty rural; Sherman's a nice little town but there's not a whole lot happening if you're college age. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 21, 2006, 12:43:28 PM
Bonzo, FreakShow...  I think AC will come along to eventually fair better in the SCAC than in the ASC...  They have a tremendous pool of talent to recruit from and can maybe lure some talent in the mid-to-high SAT score range.  They should have fewer "bone-crusher" games and some opportunities to surprise some people in the traditional 'middle' of the SCAC. 

Whether they can move up to compete with TU, DPU, and Millsaps.... time will tell!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 21, 2006, 01:48:02 PM
Update on Jerheme Urbam from proplayers.com

http://www.nflplayers.com/players/player.aspx?ID=34817&section=journal
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 21, 2006, 08:28:15 PM
History,

Millsaps  ???
Save it for the Baseball Board.  Really, you are doing a great job over there  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldschool1 on February 21, 2006, 09:39:11 PM
hello
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 22, 2006, 06:58:56 AM
ETG,,, you're right!  Millsaps has no reason to be mentioned in the same sentence with TU and DPU in football.

And I guess hello is in order.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 22, 2006, 10:08:37 AM
Maybe historymajor just had a touch of "DuBose Fever" when he added Millsaps in with Trinity and DePauw.  Hopefully in a couple of years people won't be so quick to question the inclusion of Millsaps among the SCAC football elite.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chicago Freakshow on February 22, 2006, 10:53:01 AM
I have a feeling Austin could make an impact. They will by making northern teams come down to Texas twice. Once a year to Texas is a big travel advantage for AC and Trinity.


Chicago Freakshow
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 22, 2006, 12:57:28 PM
That explains this hacking cough and runny nose... DuBose fever,,, why didn't I think of that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chicago Freakshow on February 24, 2006, 11:06:52 AM
I have a feeling DPU is going to upset TU this year. It will be close, but DPU will win the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 24, 2006, 02:47:06 PM
My guess is that you've had that feeling each of the last three years.  Particularly in 2004 with about 5 minutes left in the game.  The reoccurring pattern just happens to be, it won't happen.  Home or away, doesn't matter.  Be happy with second place.  In the event that you, Chicago Freakshow, are not of the DPU faithful, then those of you that are can rest knowing that 5 other teams would love to be where you are.  Be proud of what you've accomplished, but don't set your sights too high.

How's that for Karma Points? ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on February 24, 2006, 04:20:09 PM
How many players does DPU have coming back on offense and defense?  I know Trinity loses 4 OL's (all of them All-SCAC performers), 2 RB's (both of whom have been All-SCAC 1st team at one point), and, oh yea, Rob Kelner, the only player in SCAC history to win both the Offensive POTY and Special Teams POTY (I'm sure a lot of SCAC DB's are glad he's gone).  And that's only on offense!  Defensively, the Tigers have some great talent coming back led by Dustin Allen and Tyler Flynn, 8 starters in all.

I think next year might be DePauw's one shot at beating TU.  DePauw usually has a stout defense, and TU's offense didn't exactly set the world on fire last year.  Luckily, TU gets to play at home.  That hurricane debacle might turn out alright for Trinity - if there ever was a year where TU would want to play at home, it would be next year with all the young OL's and RB's - and they have 6 games (by my count) at EM Stevens.

If you ask me, Huntingdon has the best shot at beating them next year.  That was a very good team, and the scary part is most of that team is returning next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2006, 06:54:10 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on February 24, 2006, 04:20:09 PM
If you ask me, Huntingdon has the best shot at beating them next year.  That was a very good team, and the scary part is most of that team is returning next year.

Most?  How about "virtually all."  There is ONE senior on the current roster, a fullback who recorded no stats this season past. 

Interesting note:  Huntingdon will be  starting a marching band (http://www.huntingdon.edu/news/archive/2006/feb/02_06_06_huntingdon) next season.  Yep, they've got the college football bug big-time.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 24, 2006, 08:14:55 PM
Huntingdon has a beautiful urban campus in a historic Montgomery neighborhood.  The stadium is conducive to walk-up traffic and tailgating.  The stands are on the West side across the main thoroughfare at the Cloverdale Annex.

Huntingdon is really going for that big time feel.   All of the fans can buy the Auburn or Alabama download program for their cell phones, and yet have better seats than most can get at Jordan-Hare or Bryant-Denny.

I can see Huntingdon College growing in both size and stature.  They have to be at a threshold where they begin to improve their bottom line dramatically with the extra enrollment.

Now all they have to do is figure how the bumper sticker...

"I am for Huntingdon and whoever is playing Maryville"...

maybe...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 26, 2006, 07:16:56 PM
Freakshow, 719803, Bonzo,

You each make some "very interesting" comments regarding the 2006 football season for TU, DPU and Huntingdon.  I am pleased to limit my reply only to the TU Tigers, and only to two words: "Black Flag".   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 03, 2006, 12:11:07 PM
Vote for who you feel the most valuable QB is not the "best" QB
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2006, 04:43:03 PM
This poll needs a "none of the above" option ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on March 04, 2006, 08:23:43 PM
Thats my vote
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on March 04, 2006, 10:04:54 PM
Boy...that's it?  That's the best in conference?  I need a throw-up emoticon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 04, 2006, 10:05:49 PM
Ok,,, I voted for Jake....  I really think he'll come through... if he gets injured or falters... Blake and/or others willl aptly replace him....  TU is really deep at QB and will rise again!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 05, 2006, 06:43:28 AM
Yikes, we Texas football fans just can't be ourselves without a "quarterback controversy", can we?   :-\

I vote for the entire TU offense ... time for some improvements in terms of time of possession, total yards, and points scored, especially in the red zone.  Let's not rely on the Black Flag so much this season, men.  If the Tiger "O" can step it up a bit, I think TU can make some playoff progress in 2006.

2006 Trinity Tiger Football ... the march to Salem begins.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on March 05, 2006, 05:01:21 PM
Bonzo,
Does the "none of the above" option you mentioned include Blake Barmore? How about a more extensive QB listing?

Radio Guy,
Will the "throw-up emoticon" be ready for your use by September 23rd? Hope so?

TigerDad,
You're on target regarding the upgraded TU offense for 2006, and IMHO we will see it. Regarding the "Black Flag", we have always been extremely glad to have it and in 2006 we absolutely will be again.

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on March 05, 2006, 06:59:57 PM
etg,

Not even sure who the DPU QB is on 9/23.  Says something, don't it? 

Seriously, I think Cannon will get better.  Satterfield's probably the best all around QB in the conference, it's who I voted for.  He's got more legs than Cannon, and throws a pretty accurate ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 06, 2006, 12:04:28 PM
I guess I did not give enough options on the QB poll, I will have a more extensive list for the RB's, since I am going through FB withdrawl I do a poll for each skill position each week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 08, 2006, 12:24:33 PM
The Stats

J. Marks - DPU
9 games, 190 attempts, 881 yards, 4.6 ypc, 97.1 ypg, 16 TD's
3 rec, 35 yards, 1TD

T. Lake - RC
10 games, 185 attempts, 828 yards, 4.5 ypc, 82.4 ypg, 4 TD's
24 rec, 141 yards, 0TD's

B. Mears - UOS
10 games, 153 attempts, 765 yards, 4.4 ypc, 76.5 ypg, 2 TD's
22 rec, 244 yards, 1TD

T. Roy - MC
7 games, 98 attempts, 407 yards, 4.2 ypc, 58.1 ypg, 4 TD's
4 Rec, 18 yards, 0TD

J. Floyd - AC
10 games, 72 attempts, 387 yards, 4.8 ypc, 34.7 ypg, 2TD's
23 rec, 126 yards, 1TD

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 08, 2006, 12:43:20 PM
Final results for the QB poll:

Jacob Cannon - Trinity   9 (52.9%)
Kevin Phelps - Centre   0 (0%)
Wes Satterfield - Sewanee   8 (47.1%)
 
Total Votes: 17

... and the RB poll, like all polls, needs a "none of the above" option ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 08, 2006, 04:10:52 PM
BFB-  I can't believe I did that again (no "none of the above" option), I will improve next time (I think).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 08, 2006, 11:28:02 PM
Wish I could vote, but my selection isn't listed ... none of the above for me.   ;)
Guess I'll just have to wait until the Fall. 
It's only six months more ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 09, 2006, 09:58:59 AM
I admit I voted for Marks,,,  but I couldn't 'bear' it... I 'barely' got Cannon through the QB vote!
I'm with you TigerDad... my pick wasn't on the ballot....  Next year he will be!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 09, 2006, 01:34:32 PM
Am I to assume that you think chris should have made the ballot?  Sorry I forgot to put a none of the above option on there.  Good luck to TU and chris is 06
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 09, 2006, 03:42:28 PM

Alright, guys.  Let's get some perspective.  He's a non-scholarship player.  Normally, you don't make a tailback wait a year if he's that good.  I hope he's great, but let's not start this now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 09, 2006, 05:45:46 PM
TU2698;

All Division III athletes are "non-scholarship" including all those listed on the ballot above.  Check the URL of this site, get off your high horse and support the athletes or move on over to a D-1 message board with that weak stuff.  An athlete's choice of schools is not only based upon D-1 offers or scholarship opportunities.  Or do you think that all D-III athletes are second-rate?

Don't get me started ...  :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 10, 2006, 10:51:18 AM
Whoa.  Easy big Daddy!

I know everyone's non-scholarship.  I was just trying to shed light on that.  I do think that if he were as good as y'all are saying he is, he would be on scholarship somewhere.  I'm not saying that no one on the team is deserving of a scholarship, but no collegiate athlete deserves all this hype until he's proved his mettle in crunch time.  That's the difference between our circle of fans and the legions of idiots that pin all their hopes and dreams on recruting class rankings in Division I.  I tend to think most people on this board are a little more realistic.  Apparently, there are exceptions, and your enthusiasm is your right. 

I'm just not about to contribute to putting undue pressure on the kid.  I'd support him whether he set records or was left off the travel team.  You really think that anyone who would dump on d3 would even read this board much less post?  Every other fall, I pass on the LSU/Alabama game so that I can drive three hours to watch Millsaps host Trinity so don't tell me to get off my high horse and go to a D1 page.

Before you go on attacks like that, especially against your own, maybe you should remember where you are.

And yes, if you put Mt Union up against any playoff team in Division II/NAIA, I suspect they'd get smoked, just like we couldn't hold up against Azusa Pacific. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 13, 2006, 12:50:36 PM
Shon - 10 games, 59 rec, 542 yards, 2 TD's

Clark - 9 games, 50 rec, 700 yards, 6 TD's

Hicks - 10 games, 29 rec, 343 yards, 3 TD's

Hatcher - 10 games, 29 rec, 289 yards, 1 TD

Foisy - 9 games, 26 rec, 549 yards, 4 TD's

Freyder - 10 games, 26 rec, 265 yards, 3 TD's
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 13, 2006, 12:52:37 PM
My son just met with coach Reha, he told him that Nystrom (DC) is leaving DePauw, yet another blow to an already sketchy situation.  DC has been there all of 1/2 a year and is moving on.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on March 15, 2006, 02:59:13 PM
tigerdadplm, wasnt he brought in over Kaz last year...what is going on down in Greencastle...or is that Mr Rodgers Neighborhood ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on March 15, 2006, 04:38:51 PM
The way I understand it is they fired Hill to hire Nystrom.

Nystrom when hired was given all of Kaz's responsibilities (DC/s&c). 

Kaz stayed on board through the season and left to be the Butler DC after Long turned it down. 

Nystrom left this week leaving the Tigers without a DC, DB coach, Safeties coach, S&C coach

....oh and by the way the GA/LB coach left this week as well.

Spring practice starts in less than a month :-[
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on March 15, 2006, 08:04:08 PM
tigerdadplm, i have to say, i am not surprised...i hope for the players sake that it will settle down...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 21, 2006, 06:27:48 PM
TU2698;  Fair enough.  As hindsight is 20/20, I reckon I deserved that as I did pounce a bit hard.  I still maintain that the D-1 and D-2 levels miss some of the best athletes. Scholarships given do not a player make.  However, your point is well taken about waiting until performance is proven at any level.  We have all witnessed the dozens of recruits and high draft picks who disappear into the night without ever matching their hype.

Personally, I am quite familiar with some players' past performances ... we shall all see what the future holds with the 2006 TU Tigers.  Appreciate your insight and my apologies for any offense given ... we shall cheer side-by-side soon enough.  Perhaps at Davis Field on Nov 11th?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 22, 2006, 02:14:09 PM
Glad to see you guys sharing hugs and kisses!  There's room for both of you in my sensitivity training class....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 22, 2006, 10:53:23 PM

Me?  What are you talking about? ;)  You should have seen what I almost posted before a massive edit. 

Yeah, I'll probably be at the game in Jackson next fall.  For anyone that hasn't seen the renovation to that stadium, do yourselves a favor and head out there.  It looks fantastic. 

That was quite a retraction TigerDad.  I applaud you.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 23, 2006, 10:32:14 AM
See, that just proves that everyone can "just get along"!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on March 23, 2006, 05:14:43 PM
now if we can get our team to look good playing at a nice field like Harper Davis is, the Majors will be in good shape!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on March 23, 2006, 08:22:53 PM
News Reporter:  The teams looking pretty good this year coach.

Coach:  Yeah, Ive gotta agree, but Id trade em all for one ugly guy who can hit.

signed,
Jack Lamberts Orthodontist
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 01, 2006, 07:02:11 PM
(El Tea Gray---re:Bobby Adamson, Nacogdoches, TX HS)

Bobby Adamson, starting QB (junior) and DB by request (senior), 4.0 GPA, at Nacogdoches, TX High School has agreed to play football for the 2006 season at Trinity. He was also All-District in soccer.

Go Tigers!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 01, 2006, 11:48:12 PM
That and other "commitments" are in the Daily Dose from this afternoon.
http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=192
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 02, 2006, 12:16:40 AM

If you haven't read that daily dose about recruiting, read it. 

A kid executes a media charade to announce he's getting a scholarship at Huntingdon.  The high school coach gushes about his character, but not only does he carry one with this farce, he says Huntingdon was a no brainer because at Bridgewater he would have had to play behind a senior who was ensconced at tailback. 

Please tell me that there's someone reading this board who can speak for both Huntingdon and the Gulf Breeze, FL media outlet that released this garbage. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 02, 2006, 12:24:48 AM
I have found most times it isn't the college that executes the "signing day" ritual, it's the high school.

By the way, you also misread the story. It said there was no senior tailback at Bridgewater -- that one had just graduated, so he would be likely to be the starter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 02, 2006, 12:37:48 AM

No, I read it right.  It says the guy at the school in VA was going to start no matter what.  See for yourself. 

I know that Huntingdon wouldn't have endorsed such a story.  I just want to know what they think of it.  The high school has embarrassed itself.  I can't say enough about the kid's principal, coach, and parents.  I'm dying to know what the thought process was.  In day to day conversation, there are plenty of ignorant people, but usually people get their facts straight before they go public with announcements.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 02, 2006, 10:50:36 AM
The quote in question is:

Ganus chose Huntingdon over a nationally-ranked school in Virginia. They had a returning senior at running back.

"He's was
[sic] going to start, no matter what," Ganus said.

If you want to blame anyone, blame the staff at Gulf Breeze HS.  They were the ones that called the media and set up the press conference.  And the local media isn't smart enough, apparently, to know that D3 doesn't do "signings" or athletic scholarships.   

I did find this comment interesting:

The past two years, they've had six different changes at starting running back and the three players that got a chance to start last year are gone now."

Oh, really?  Willie Horn (http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/football/players/willie_horn) [109 carries, 826 yds, 9 TDs, 7.6 ypc], a rising junior, isn't returning?

The article sure makes it sound like the young man didn't want to go somewhere where he had to compete for a starting role ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 02, 2006, 11:54:43 AM
He shouldn't have to compete. He's on scholarship. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on April 03, 2006, 09:46:11 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on April 02, 2006, 10:50:36 AM


I did find this comment interesting:

The past two years, they've had six different changes at starting running back and the three players that got a chance to start last year are gone now."

Oh, really?  Willie Horn (http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/football/players/willie_horn) [109 carries, 826 yds, 9 TDs, 7.6 ypc], a rising junior, isn't returning?

The article sure makes it sound like the young man didn't want to go somewhere where he had to compete for a starting role ...

Looking at Huntingdon's current roster, they seem to be keeping it updated as Horn and Marshall Barfield are still listed while Adrian Dailey and Jamal Gardner(2nd and 3rd leading rushers last year) aren't. I don't know if that means for sure that Horn and Barfield will be back, but if they are then Mr. Ganus can definitely expect some competition from returning starters. Barfield was really good the first couple of games before missing the rest of the season with a knee injury. Since he is one the leading hitters for the baseball team right now, I assume that means he's back close to 100%. We'll see what Ganus has when August gets here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 04, 2006, 10:03:59 AM
Good morning, SCAC fans.

In case there are any two-sport players (football and baseball) or parent's of baseball players (whether they play football or not) that I'll be at Saturday's DH between Austin College and Mississippi College photographing the event on behalf of d3sports.com.

Stop by and say "hi" if you can, and be sure to check out the image galleries after the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on April 04, 2006, 03:13:24 PM
It's a good thing Hertel is coming back to make this a 2-horse race
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on April 06, 2006, 12:31:33 PM
I'm surprised that the vote is that close.

Dustin should have won DPOTY last year.  Hopefully this year he will leave no doubt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on April 06, 2006, 07:16:10 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on April 06, 2006, 12:31:33 PM
I'm surprised that the vote is that close.

Dustin should have won DPOTY last year. Hopefully this year he will leave no doubt.

You're so right. Hertel got robbed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on April 09, 2006, 11:12:21 AM
I would have added Ted Barnhardt to that list... But I couldn't vote for none of the above!  Go TU!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on April 09, 2006, 05:48:24 PM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on April 06, 2006, 07:16:10 PM

You're so right. Hertel got robbed.

Maybe I should have clarified...Dustin Allen  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on April 12, 2006, 09:31:59 AM
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on April 13, 2006, 12:40:49 PM
I voted with my heart but I think that 06 will be a tough year for DPU, they will either grow up in a hurry of struggle through growing pains, replacing a great QB/Ath, 2 damn good WR's, 4 of 5 on the O-Line...but the defense may be able to carry them through the early going.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 13, 2006, 03:53:50 PM
Graduating a QB is always tough, but especially so if a freshman by the name of SPUD DICK ends up under center(see daily dose). 

Actually, I'm sure he's a good player.  But the name.  Ouch.   ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 13, 2006, 04:18:44 PM
Ive seen Spud Dick play at least four times in high school and he is a solid recruit.

His weightroom numbers arent outlandish, but they are more than respectable for a high school quarterback.  240 bench and 340 squat with a 4.9 second forty yard dash.

His height is a little different than what the folks in Greencastle are used to.  Since Clippinger, DPU quarterbacks have been fairly tall and Spud measures in stretched at 5'10.

What was most impressive about Spud was the transition from his junior to senior high school years.  He was surrounded by gretaer talent as a junior than as a senior, but the teams overall capability dropped very little as Spud matured and found better and innovative ways to get the ball to the remaining talent.

While his senior numbers, win-losses werent as prolific as his junior numbers, I was of the opinion this had more to do with the improvement of play in his high school conference than with any letdown by his team. 

While a team from the rival conference bulldozed everybody with the wing t and suprior talent and size, the rest of Spuds own conference improved drastically as several very talented running backs transferred into systems with veteran lines.  As a junior, Spud was the only quarterback to test that dominant wing t team.

Depauw got a quality recruit there, valued probably more for his leadership and mind than physical prowess.

signed,
Curly Lambeau
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on April 13, 2006, 04:35:18 PM
Graduating a QB can be rough on any team.  I think that DPU has some quality guys coming back in Abe Winkle, who was no. 2 last year, and Robbie MacLaughlin, who is a freshman currently and only saw action in JV games.  Also, Spud sounds like he is a pretty good player and leader.  What might be of more concern for DPU is graduating 4 of 5 starting o-linemen and 4 d-linemen (3 starters and 1 backup).  All of the second units saw limited playing time last year, and several guys who will probably be stepping into varsity positions are freshmen right now.  There are some upper classmen ready to step in, as well, but they have only seen limited playing time over the last couple of years.  It will be interesting to see who steps up as leaders (both by their performances and throught their words) for the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 13, 2006, 05:44:46 PM
Thats probably the highest rate of attrition for both lines on a college squad that I have ever heard.  Methinks some of this has to do with the frequency of coaching turnover, never a good thing!!

Which positions and players are returning for Depauw along the frontline.  Im supposing one of them is the guy listed in the poll at the top of the page.   The offensive starter returning being?

Better hope for some solid fullback and linebacker play to hang the teams toughness on.  Nothing against DBs and WRs but the tone is set up front and can be done by tweeners as much as fullblown hogs sometimes, depending on scheme and other factors.  Though DeAngelo Harris did a quality job of exuding toughness for his team down in Memphis with a very thin and inexperienced line. 

Wabash is running their yap about the size of their oline over on the NCAC page.  Never too soon to throw some fuel on the Monon fire.  Claiming the best returning recievers in the land as well.

signed,
Chuck Bednarik
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on April 13, 2006, 06:38:55 PM
Hertel is returning on the d-line at end and Pappas on the o-line at one of the gaurd positions.  I think that it should also be noted that one of the o-linemen graduating this year was a 5-th year who battled with a junior for the starting job as the beginning of the season last fall. 
I think there is a lot of potential and talen in the guys who will be fighting for starting spots.  There just isn't a lot of experience.
No offense intended MacLeod, but I don't think that the coaching turnover has much to do with graduating so many.  This senior class had A LOT of talent in it at almost every position, and most of the guys started for 2-3 years at their position, and the guys behind them have some experience but not as much as most coaches would like.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on April 13, 2006, 11:39:29 PM
Might be that those guys played early because of the coaching changes.  Easier to go with the old standby, what have you done for me lately, than be forced to dance with the gurl you brung when your the new guy on the block and you didnt brunger.

You are/were there in Greencastle, so Im assuming your scenarios the real lowdown.

Remember reading about Pappas a while back.  Struck me that he was something like 240 or so.  With smaller size Im expecting hes a mean badger and an excellent technician to be playing amongst the redwoods. 

Guards around that size are what those on the outside of division three site as the inferiority of the division, whereas I believe it to be the strength.  Ive known a 240 pound guard in my day take some division 1 talented tackles out back behind the woodshed and treat em till they were no longer randy.

One of the regulars on the board talked about an old time Tennessee team that was made up of eleven fullbacks.  Division three Outsiders would be surprised at some of the real innovations and evolutions attributable to different not lesser skill sets.

regards,
MC Hammer
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on April 14, 2006, 08:37:21 AM
Those guys started playing their sophomore year while Coach Nick was still there because they were good.  They were competing with and beating out seniors and juniors for the starting jobs.  (Hertel started over some pretty good guys as a freshman, but he is by far the exception)  When Coach Lynch came in those guys were already developed somewhat, and had the experience and talent it took to play.  With Coach Rogers the same guys were now seasoned veterans who knew what they were doing.  Without the talent in the senior class this year, DePauw would not have been as good as they were.

Pappas was listed at 6'2"-250 this year.  He doesn't have the height that some coaches would like (the 6'2" is about 2-3 inches taller than what he really is), but he is more athletic than just about any offensive linemen that I have seen.  And you are correct that his technique is really good.  He went to Trinity H.S. in Louisville, KY, which from my understand produces D-I talent on a regular basis.  I think that if Pappas was a lot closer to the 6'5"+ that D-I schools look for he has the technique and athleticism that he could play at that level. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on April 17, 2006, 05:53:22 PM
Just saw the news that Colorado College HAS joined the SCAC..... bring on the frequent-flier miles!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 17, 2006, 06:46:20 PM
Still TBD is how and when several sports, including football, will be integrated into the SCAC schedule.  More details on the front page; in some sports, CC starts SCAC play in the upcoming season:

Pairing CC with Austin in most team sports is going to make for an ugly travel weekend for the rest of the SCAC.   D/FW is 70+ miles away from Sherman, and if you fly in Friday afternoon you are going to deal with the UGLY rush-hour traffic on 75, 35, you name it. 

In other news, the conference today announced its support for the repeal of the Wright Amendment (that's a joke folks).   That said, about the only airline flying DFW-Colorado Springs non-stop is American.  Love Field would be closer and one would think fares on SW to Colorado Springs would be cheaper  ... but SW doesn't fly into the Springs, only Denver, an hour+ away.  In any case, open-jaw airfares (e.g. Indianapolis-DFW-Colo Sprs/Denver-Indianapolis) are generally much higher than standard round trips.  Good luck to the Hendrixes and Oglethorpes and other schools that don't have big endowments. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 17, 2006, 06:55:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on April 17, 2006, 06:46:20 PM
Still TBD is how and when several sports, including football, will be integrated into the SCAC schedule.  More details on the front page; in some sports, CC starts SCAC play next year:


  • Cross Country
  • Swimming/Diving
  • Tennis
  • Track & Field

Pairing CC with Austin in most team sports is going to make for an ugly travel weekend for the rest of the SCAC.   D/FW is 70+ miles away from Sherman, and if you fly in Friday afternoon you are going to deal with the UGLY rush-hour traffic on 75, 35, you name it. 

In other news, the conference today announced its support for the repeal of the Wright Amendment (that's a joke folks).   That said, about the only airline flying DFW-Colorado Springs non-stop is American.  Love Field would be closer and one would think fares on SW to Colorado Springs would be cheaper.  In any case, open-jaw airfares (e.g. Indianapolis-DFW-Colo Sprs-Indianapolis) are generally much higher than standard round trips.  Good luck to the Hendrixes and Oglethorpes and other schools that don't have big endowments. 

Was it the president of Princeton who once said (about a hundred years ago) that he couldn't endorse the idea of Princeton's football team trekking all the way to the University of Chicago "merely to agitate a bag of wind"?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 17, 2006, 07:03:42 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 17, 2006, 06:55:15 PM
Was it the president of Princeton who once said (about a hundred years ago) that he couldn't endorse the idea of Princeton's football team trekking all the way to the University of Chicago "merely to agitate a bag of wind"?

It wouldn't surprise me if so ...

and I just realized that we have yet ANOTHER "Tiger" school joining the conference.  Bully.  Look, CC is up in the mountains, why don't they become the Cougars or Catamounts or Mountain Lions or something? ;)   ANYTHING but another Tiger school. 

Colorado College Tigers
DePauw Tigers
Sewanee Tigers
Trinity Tigers

Sounds like we should divide football into the "Tiger" and "non-Tiger" division.   :)

Seriously, welcome to Colorado College.  It sounds like I'm not happy with them coming into the league and it's just the logistics that are a concern.  From an academics/athletics POV they are an excellent addition to the conference, tho I wish they didn't have two Division I sports (ice hockey, women's soccer). 

OBTW the Colorado College website (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/pressreleases/PR0506/041706SCAC.asp) says they'll begin playing in all other sports in '07-'08. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 17, 2006, 07:06:48 PM
The conference office suggested to me that a league meeting over the summer would determine those dates, and whether there would be a split into divisions in basketball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2006, 07:45:04 PM
I still wonder where the SCAC will find the 12th member that they have talked about since last spring.  The 6 and 5 division format would work in the West and East.

I am guessing CC-AC/SU-TU/HC-RC in the West,
and DPU/MC-OU/CC-US in the East.

As for Hendrix and the travel schedule, I believe that HC is in this for the long haul.  They have been a member of the CAC/SCAC for a long time and probably do not see themselves as an ASC-East team (UT-Tyler, UT-Dallas, U Ozarks, LeTourneau and football schools like Miss Coll, LaColl and ETBU.)

I still wonder if Oglethorpe would find the GSAC a better fit for their budget.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2006, 08:45:17 PM
Hendrix' Endowment was reported to NACUBO (http://www.nacubo.org/documents/research/FY04NESInstitutionsbyTotalAssetsforPress.pdf) in 2004 as $137M for #268th of the reporting schools.

John Carroll at #270 and Kalamazoo at #271 report endowments of $135M.

I think that they can afford it. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Longtooth on April 18, 2006, 10:58:14 AM
So I would assume that CC will play the schedule they have for this season, how about for 07 and 08?  Does anyone have any ideas?














Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 18, 2006, 03:45:16 PM
Colorado College's 2006 Schedule (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/varsity_sports/football/schedule/index.asp)

I can see CCTigers going maybe as good as 6-4.  IMHO, 7-3 would be a stretch; 3-7 a disappointment.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 18, 2006, 03:50:02 PM
Quote from: Longtooth on April 18, 2006, 10:58:14 AM
So I would assume that CC will play the schedule they have for this season, how about for 07 and 08?  Does anyone have any ideas?

CC's plan (according to their web site (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/pressreleases/PR0506/041706SCAC.asp)) is to play a SCAC schedule in '07-'08 ...  but Pat C. said:

Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 17, 2006, 07:06:48 PM
The conference office suggested to me that a league meeting over the summer would determine those dates, and whether there would be a split into divisions in basketball.

I think CC would be happy with .500 given their previous difficulties and a lot of travel. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 18, 2006, 04:14:56 PM
I would expect that 2007 is a reasonable time to expect CC to play SCAC football. That's a lot of teams to add -- they only play Rhodes right now -- but it can be done easily given that time frame.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on April 19, 2006, 05:22:25 PM
The schedule that the site has for Millsaps next year does not show Austin College, Millsaps' website shows that game being played in Sherman on October 14th.  The Majors actually have two open dates on 9/9 and 9/30, which if that holds, will give them a nine game schedule again.  This is disappointing for the fans!!!  Link to the schedule on the Millsaps' website:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 19, 2006, 07:41:20 PM
Thanks, ex-major. I literally was on Millsaps site just this past weekend and there was no 2006 football schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2006, 09:34:42 PM
Quote from: exmajor on April 19, 2006, 05:22:25 PM
The schedule that the site has for Millsaps next year does not show Austin College, Millsaps' website shows that game being played in Sherman on October 14th.  The Majors actually have two open dates on 9/9 and 9/30, which if that holds, will give them a nine game schedule again.  This is disappointing for the fans!!!  Link to the schedule on the Millsaps' website:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml

Ex-major, Millsaps is getting some help with 7 conference games in the future.  MissColl and Belhaven are almost no-brainers and Huntingdon and LaGrange will always need games.  That even leaves LaCollege as a nearby opponent.

Good luck in the future on scheduling!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on April 20, 2006, 02:03:26 PM
Ralph,
I agree with your assessment about Millsaps' future ability to set a complete 10-game schedule.  I hope they can fill an open date this season, too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on April 20, 2006, 11:06:18 PM
Pat Coleman,

After looking at the blog on random schedules I checked  the Austin College schedule you have posted and it is incomplete.  The full AC schedule can be found at

http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?4588

They now have a full ten game schedule!!

Hope this helps !!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 20, 2006, 11:51:09 PM
Once Austin figures out its game times, we'll post the schedule. We don't post an entire schedule of TBA games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Longtooth on April 24, 2006, 10:33:52 PM
How does CC look for THIS year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 25, 2006, 12:09:34 AM
Quote from: Longtooth on April 24, 2006, 10:33:52 PM
How does CC look for THIS year?

CC?

CC = Centre College?

CC = Colorado College?  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 27, 2006, 02:37:02 PM
Ralph,
Based on his Reply #1005 I think Longtooth is referring to Colorado College?

I guess it needs to be CeC and CoC from now on?   :D   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2006, 02:46:46 PM
Quote from: etg on April 27, 2006, 02:37:02 PM
Ralph,
Based on his Reply #1005 I think Longtooth is referring to Colorado College?

I guess it needs to be CeC and CoC from now on?   :D   

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D

Thanks, etg!

Now that the SCAC has added another Tiger and an AC, how about Denison College? :D :D :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 27, 2006, 03:41:14 PM
Ralph,
I have my doubts about  DC=Denison College  :D  but, at least even money on HC=Hanover College.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2006, 03:45:21 PM
From a football point of view, the two nine-member leagues in the Deep South, as opposed to the Tidewater/Atlantic South, would have open dates that would require filling.  Thus, we might get some ASC vs. SCAC (with HC-Hanover as opposed to HC-Huntingdon)  action beyond the first 2 weekends of the season. ;)

Man, the off-season is tough! :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2006, 09:47:44 AM
A story in the Trinity student paper (http://www.trinitonian.com/media/storage/paper819/news/2006/04/28/Sports/Football.Team.Gears.Up.For.Next.Season-1881566.shtml?norewrite200604280941&sourcedomain=www.trinitonian.com&mkey=1961300) discusses the outlook for next season and rates this year's recruiting class as a "B", with 40 projected new faces vs. the usual 55-60. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 28, 2006, 10:44:21 AM
As far as recruiting goes, Mohr rates this year as a "B" year. Although he will not have the final list until August, Mohr predicts that there will be only 40 newcomers next year instead of the usual 55 to 60.

"In Division III it's all about depth and numbers," Mohr said.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2006, 02:17:56 PM
We apparently have a new definition of in-region (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.msg519230#msg519230) for next year.  As I understand it, there are now four "global" regions for all sports, and each sport can have an additional "regional" definition ... and games count as "in-region" if they are in EITHER regional definition or within the old 200-mile limit.

Texas schools fall into a new "Region 4" which consists of:
Alaska, Arizona, California, Colorado, Hawaii, Idaho, Illinois, Iowa, Kansas, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Mexico, North Dakota, Oklahoma, Oregon, South Dakota, Texas, Utah, Washington, Wisconsin, Wyoming.

So the Trinity game against Redlands should count as "in-region" even though Redlands is in the South football region. 

The non-Texas SCAC schools all fall into "Region 3":  Alabama, Arkansas, Florida, Georgia, Indiana, Kentucky, Louisiana, Michigan, Mississippi, North Carolina, Ohio, Puerto Rico, South Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia.

Thanks to Ralph Turner for pointing this out on the ASC board.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 01, 2006, 11:45:23 AM
[put this on the baseball board, figured more people would see it here]

I think that Depauw's performance this weekend was good enough to win the SCAC President's Trophy  ... the first time since the '00-'01 season and only the second time in 13 years for someone besides TU to win the all-sports championship.

DePauw had about a 50-point lead going into the weekend:

Baseball:  TU +15 (if co-champ points awarded)
Softball:  TU +10
Golf (M):  DPU +50
Golf (W): DPU +25
Tennis (M):  TU +10
Tennis (W):  TBD but likely net 0 (see below)
T&F (M):  DPU +10
T&F (W):  TU +10

Net Sports Festival weekend:  DPU +40


Still one sport to be decided ... women's tennis, where "the women's tennis match was called with DePauw leading 3-1, due to travel conflicts for Trinity.  The SCAC office declared the two teams co-champions and the women's tennis tournament committee will discuss the outcome on Monday."  A TU women's tennis loss, I think, would be the first since joining the SCAC. 

So, for the folks who are tired of hearing about the "DPU travel conspiracy" in FB, there's a TU women's tennis travel conspiracy for you.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on May 02, 2006, 03:16:12 PM
Thanks for posting that, Ron.  The story behind the women's tennis championship is interesting.  Without going into any detail, the story I got was that Trinity had to leave to catch their flight because their coach said their AD would not allow any team to fly out on Monday due to finals.  When they knew they were going to have to stop the match, Trinity asked to be named co-champions. (At least that is the story I got from someone who I know was there.)  As far as I know the conference has not made an official decision on it, even though Trinity's website has them as co-champions.  If it were up to me, I would consider Trinity leaving as a forfeit of the match and declare DePauw the champions.

Sorry for posting this on the FB pages, but there really isn't anywhere great to put it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 02, 2006, 04:57:45 PM
If I read this correctly (http://www.collegetennisonline.com/view/teamscoresheet.asp?scseId=119322&tmId=2804), 'hog, Trinity was leading the three singles matches in progress with #5 and #6 still to go.  Either that, or they were trailing in all three. 

Whatever the case, it's too bad the match wasn't finished.  Next year should be even more interesting as DePauw loses only two to graduation, Trinity one.  Wait, they list Liz Bondi as a junior when DPU shows her as a senior, so that may not be the case. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacman on May 02, 2006, 04:59:36 PM
I've got an idea of where you should put it!  TU was the only school that flew all of its athletes in for the SCAC spring sports festival.  I'm not sure but I think TU's exams start about the earliest of any member also.  In order to change the flights, well you know the airlines..... and King was not able to stay for the completion of the of the sports on Sunday due to a family conflict at home, so the decision was pre-made and understandable.  Weather and limited facillities at Sewanee played large into the debacle....  Evidently Coach Page and Coach Scannell worked out a fair settlement on co-champs in baseball without King on-site..... I guess the hot-headed tennis types couldn't!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLU78 on May 04, 2006, 07:30:04 AM
Sewanee just got a good one, Basil Wilson from the Darlington School in Rome, GA.  Great kid, outstanding student, and a pretty darn good football player as well.  He plays hard, executes well and will be a fine addition to the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on May 11, 2006, 03:27:00 PM
It looks as if, according to the Millsaps website, that they have added a tenth game to the upcoming 2006 schedule.  I can't find all the details, but they list Lincoln College as a September game next fall.  The only Lincoln College I could find is a historically black institution located outside of Philly in PA.  It seems as if the school is re-instituting a football program at the DII level, but that is where I get lost.  I can't tell from the school's website when this actually takes effect.  It appears as if this may only count as a Club game for Millsaps this year?  Pat may be able to shed some more light on it.  Here is the link to the Lincoln website discussing the return of football:

http://www.lincoln.edu/athletics/football/index.html

Again, I am sketchy on the details, but adding a "club" game to round out a schedule may not be the best option?  Thoughts from the board?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on May 11, 2006, 03:33:31 PM
Sorry, there is another Lincoln University in Missouri that plays DII football, but no link to a 2006 schedule, whichever Lincoln it is, it has them scheduled to play in Jackson on the Millsaps website.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 11, 2006, 09:33:08 PM
Well, there was a link on hoops about D3 Lincoln PA-> D2 and adding football, if I was a wagering man I would bet this is who's coming to town.

http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=174

Playing either a D2 school or a D2 wannabe isn't a great move either way.  It's a tenth game, true.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: moondog on May 12, 2006, 11:33:17 PM
TUF Alumni or friend of the program. The Alumini golf tourney is jun 3rd. I have played in the last 5 and it is a blast. I have met so many "old timers"  and met up with guys i played with.  Great time and FREE BEER, what else do you need to know. I can't play football anymore but i can out drive you. Who is in?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on May 16, 2006, 06:09:52 PM
The New Orleans Saints are reportedly going to hold their pre-season training camp this summer at Millsaps College.  This is not official as of yet as some details have not yet been finalized.  An announcement should be made in the next couple of days regarding where the Saints will hold their pre-season camp.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kracken on May 17, 2006, 09:08:52 AM
How about some opinions on how DPU will look this upcoming season with its third coach in three years? I don't see how it is going to be anything but a struggle for these kids. It's hard to buy into something wholeheartedly when the recent past has dictated that they start all over in the next season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 17, 2006, 09:59:18 AM
Quote from: Kracken on May 17, 2006, 09:08:52 AM
How about some opinions on how DPU will look this upcoming season with its third coach in three years? I don't see how it is going to be anything but a struggle for these kids. It's hard to buy into something wholeheartedly when the recent past has dictated that they start all over in the next season.

Unless you know something I don't, Tim Rogers is still the head coach.  Last season was three coaches (Mourouzis, Lynch, Rogers) in three years.    Seemed to work surprisingly well ...

There have been some rumbings about changes in the assistant coaching ranks at DePauw, but I'm not familiar with what's going on there. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on May 17, 2006, 11:34:14 AM
As of right now DePauw has no only 1 assistant coach on staff so with Rogers that makes 2, interviews are going on now I believe
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 17, 2006, 12:22:45 PM
tigerdadplm, who is the remaining assistant?  The DPU website this AM lists four.  I seem to remember hearing something about Hreha leaving/being let go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: warriorhog51 on May 17, 2006, 12:43:52 PM
As far as assitants go, DePauw still has Walker, who coached rbs last year and has coached wrs in the past, Long, who is o-line, and Hreha, who is d-line.  From what I know they have finished interviewing to fill two defensive positions, including coordinator, and are just trying to get through all the red tape with the university before they hire someone.  I have not heard anything of who interviewed.
As far as the upcoming season goes, the Tigers will be young in the beginning at several key positions.  For a more thorough discussion check earlier pages on this board.  There is enough senior leadership that will help them challenge for the championship again this year. 
From what I have heard the coaching staff was very happy with the way recruiting went.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on May 17, 2006, 02:28:27 PM
Just wanted to send a congratulations to all SCAC seniors who are graduating this spring.  You each made sacrifices to play football and complete requirements for a degree at a challenging university.  Most of you did this in four years.  It is easy for fans of Division III football to forget how rare this occurs.

You should be proud of your accomplishments and best of luck in the next step of your journey.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on May 17, 2006, 04:00:44 PM
BFB-  As far as I know the remaining 2 coaches are Rogers and the OL guy
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on May 17, 2006, 04:07:17 PM
that is also what i have been told...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 22, 2006, 06:49:20 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: 2006 TU/SCAC Football Season)


Trinity Tiger/SCAC Football Fans:
Only eleven+ weeks until the Black Flag reports.     ;D


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on May 23, 2006, 12:44:33 PM

Does the offense report at a different time? ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 23, 2006, 12:54:33 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on May 23, 2006, 12:44:33 PM

Does the offense report at a different time? ;)

:D :D :D :D :D

Let me see if I understand the question...

when will the Trinity offense show up?

:) :) :) :) ;) ;D 8)

It is the off-season!  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 23, 2006, 11:07:53 PM
IMHO, the TU offense will show up early and often ... give those Black Flaggers a little R&R on the sidelines (for a change!)  Looking forward to seeing some better ball control and some bigtime plays this year. 

Impartially speaking, that is.   ;)  ;D

Ten weeks and counting ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on May 24, 2006, 11:46:16 AM

How 'bout that new Trinity Fine Arts Facility?  If only I had been graduating from high school this year.  I know this is a football site, but I'm not kidding.  If anyone remembers David Coney, Dan Hansen's lineman of the year in 1999, he was in the symphony.  Let's hope that place brings in more guys like him! 

I know that art facilities do not attract the guys that help win championships, but I'm still fired up about it.

Does anyone know anything about the capital campaign to improve athletic facilities?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 24, 2006, 02:46:06 PM
Other than that the $5M allocated will be used for (among other things) new turf and improvements to the stadium/press box, no, not really.

Last I heard the campaign was a little more than halfway to its overall goal; don't know when they will start spending any of the money raised. 

The improvements to the FA facilities were way overdue.  It was a dump when I was a student there in the late 70's; at one point I was contemplating a double major in music and spent quite a bit of time there.  And if it helps bring in more guys like Coney, all the better.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 26, 2006, 05:16:00 PM
See front page (http://www.d3football.com) for story about Birmingham-Southern College (AL) petitioning to (a) join Division III, (b) join the SCAC, (c) build a football stadium, (d) start a football program.    They will become the second school in AL to go the D3 route (Huntingdon is the other). 

Here is BSC's press release (http://www.bsc.edu/communications/news/active/20060526_ncaa.htm) on the subject.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 26, 2006, 05:51:23 PM
For those wondering where BSC fits with the rest of the SCAC, here's a quick comparo with the seven current ('06) football-playing members*:

Student body size:  1356 - would rank 5th of 8, current SCAC range 1085-2524
Acceptance rate:  83% - would rank 8th of 8, range 49%-82%
SAT mean:  1200 - would rank 8th of 8, range 1205-1295
ACT mean:  27 - would rank 3(t) of 8, range 25.5-28.5
Tuition, room, board, fees:  $30,780 p.a., would rank 2nd most affordable ($29,998 - $36,292)
Endowment:  $120M (e) - would rank 6th of 8, range $86M-$674M

* - includes Austin, not Colorado College
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 26, 2006, 05:53:23 PM
More coverage out front, including a long Q&A with B-SC president David Pollick conducted this afternoon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 27, 2006, 06:47:34 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Augustana/Trinity)

Bonzo,
2005 Augustana  (10-2),  10th in QOW=11.000
                                          Tied with Trinity

Guess that d3quarterback is a "Caveman", but  I must be also. Do we watch too much television; "roast duck with the mango salsa" for anyone?

:D :D :D

TigerDad,
Ten weeks, great!!!   I have no doubt that "The Offense" will also be there, probably stronger than ever for a "Week One" game. With the new opponent, they certainly will need to be.    ??? ??? ???



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 28, 2006, 10:22:39 AM
etg, when someone says to me "power" it means a team that challenges for the championship year after year.  'stana hasn't made the playoffs half of the time in recent years and when they do they get plowed under by MUC every time.  So ... MUC is a power.   ;D

And, as you know, sadly QoWI is an artificial measure that doesn't reflect a team's true strength. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on May 30, 2006, 01:30:31 PM
MacLeod---
Regarding you post on Lawrence Central QB Spud Dick...I think your observaitons are quite good...I haven't been in Indiana for long---but have gotten to know some of the Indianapolis talent, especially QB's a bit...opposing coaches REALLY like him.
I saw him play against Pike last season---he got planted with a blind side hit from their D-I DE Middleton...popped his shoulder out---came back and threw for 350 yards in 2nd half...he is a very tough kid. I think DePauw got a really good one...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on May 30, 2006, 05:25:07 PM
From what I understand Spud will have some pretty stiff competition for the 1st or 2nd team qb job.  The staff likes a couple of young guys that are already on campus, one of which is from OK, reminds them of weithoff, played wr last year.

they are also very high on the other qb recruits in this class:
Ben Braunsky(sp) - Chicago area
Brad Paus(e)- Chicago area
Tim Rose - Michigan

I'd hate to be the QB coach who has to keep them happy!  But I guess it is a good problem to have.  I'd hate to be in a situation like Sewanee and lose your started to injury and lose early games, with a veteran team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on May 30, 2006, 06:03:28 PM
I did a quick search and this is what I came up with

Spud
http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060324/ZONES04/603240337/1026/ZONES04

Braunsky
http://www.kcchronicle.com/print/295529048528956.php

Paus (the other kid mentioned in the article, mulligan, is also going to DPU)
http://goliath.ecnext.com/comsite5/bin/pdinventory.pl?pdlanding=1&referid=2750&item_id=0199-4637114

Rose-not much said but I know huron is one of the top programs up there
http://www.detnews.com/2005/highschools/0508/29/G07-290461.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: youknowit on June 05, 2006, 06:23:41 PM
Those are their stats from their junior years of high school.  As Seniors, Paus Threw for over 2000 yards and over 20 tds.  Mulligan had 87 catches for I believe over 1000 yards.  Mulligan also had 5 ints on defense and over 100 tackles.  Paus was recruited by Iowa to be a preffered walk on.  Mulligan is one of the most talented kids Ive ever seen.  He was All area for two years, and was voted all state as a senior.  Paus was special mention all state and was named all area.  Mulligan was also POY in the conference on offense.  Mulligans only knock is his speed, he doesn't have blazing speed.  Paus meanwhile is an unbelivable Qb.  His presence in the pocket as a senior in high school was amazing.  Both led their team to the state quarterfinals as seniors.  Depauw got very lucky in landing these two small school kids.   Both have great opportunities to start as freshmen. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 05, 2006, 07:21:08 PM
good information, youknowit...
sounds as if DePauw got some good kids after all...especially at the skilled positions. Additional info on the Indianapolis kids...If Roesinger from Cathedral is going, as rumored, he also should have a chance to play right away. He was go to WR for Class 4A school that played more of a 5A schedule....quick and athletic. Lawrence Central's Dick was 2nd in the state in passing yardage and completions in Class 5A (large school)... Region 7 All Star and shared first team all-county QB spot with Indiana's Mr. Football, Dexter Taylor. Offered preferred walk-on spot at Northwestern..shall be interesting to see things develop...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 05, 2006, 08:05:49 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: DPU Freshmen Starters)        ???

youknowit & HoosierQBScout,
These talented young men won't be playing against high school defenses from now on; as first year players/starters (?) it sure sounds like a lot of fresh meat for the Black Flag's grinder.

Who really knows?          ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 05, 2006, 08:42:18 PM
etg---
i didn't suggest anyone as a freshman starter...and could not agree more with your take on move from h.s. to college defenses...different ballgame...will be interesting to watch these kids develop...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 06, 2006, 10:21:25 AM
Since it's a quiet time of year, and since I haven't seen this posted anywhere else:  according to the NCAA News (http://www.scac-online.org/football/fbattendance.htm), the SCAC showed the largest average attendance increase of all Division III conferences in 2005.  The 475 fan/game increase placed the SCAC in 14th overall (1,879 per game).  Only in-conference games were taken into consideration.

The American Southwest Conference placed 4th (2,430 per game), virtually unchanged from 2004.  Ironically, the move of Austin from the ASC to the SCAC this year will likely serve to increase average ASC attendance and decrease average SCAC attendance.   The MIAC was tops with 3,081 fans per conference tilt. 

St John's was the #1 school in terms of attendance with nearly 8,000 fans per home game.  Mary Hardin Baylor (12th, 3,704), Louisiana College (15th, 3,454) and Mississippi College (19th, 3,298) were all in the top 20 schools.  No SCAC school placed in the top 20. 

Overall, however, Division III attendance dropped slightly; in 1,135 games, average attendance was 1,840, down 2% from 2004. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 06, 2006, 10:27:34 AM

If only...IF ONLY Triniity would do what I've been saying for years and hang a huge drape over all the balconies that face EM Stevens stadium, the Tigers could get as many people as St. Johns.  Well, maybe not.  That number for St John's is pretty amazing :o. 

Anyway, they should expand that stadium no doubt, or at least switch the home and visitor sides. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 06, 2006, 12:41:50 PM
I really hope that the move to the SCAC will increase the attendance at AC games.

Perhaps the new environs will generate some interest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2006, 02:54:29 PM
DePauw announces three new assistant coaches (http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=1080) - Len Felton, Bobby Jackson and Jamie Zorbo.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 07, 2006, 04:02:16 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on June 06, 2006, 10:27:34 AM

If only...IF ONLY Trinity would do what I've been saying for years and hang a huge drape over all the balconies that face EM Stevens stadium, the Tigers could get as many people as St. Johns.  .... Anyway, they should expand that stadium no doubt, or at least switch the home and visitor sides. 

TU2698:
When they build the TigerDome, the dorm balconies will be obstructed by the luxury skyboxes. 

Personally, I'd like to see the PA system improved ... raise the speakers to the lightpoles, install some on the visitors' side, and improve the sound quality.  If I have to hear "Eye of the Tiger" blasting at 150dB one more time, I think I'll scream.  Even better that it's the theme song from Rocky III in 1982 ... about 3 years before this year's seniors were born (see http://www.songfacts.com/detail.php?id=3938.)
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hy-q.com.au%2Fimages%2FSpeakerSmall_ani.gif&hash=b74c53db2dd4b62e488068bdb6e92b2fa3e8555c)
;D
(gets kinda slow in the offseason, doesn't it?)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 07, 2006, 04:04:28 PM
bfb;
think some of the music guys could team up with the engineering guys and get that doggone PA system fixed at EM Stevens?  perhaps you have some influence there?
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2006, 04:59:14 PM
I think the amount of complaining I've done over the years about the press box/scoreboard/stadium/field has eliminated any "influence" I might have had.    :D 

In all seriousness, I see at least some of these issues being addressed when the stadium is refurbished after the current capital campaign completes.   Only $85M to go ... get those checks in now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 08, 2006, 10:37:19 AM

One word, possibly two:

TigerTron

You know, instead of Jumbotron?

Still, I'm wondering.  Will the councourses be connected to spiral ramps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 08, 2006, 02:12:55 PM
Look for some interesting, yet predictable news today from the SCAC!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: consultant on June 08, 2006, 02:12:55 PM
Look for some interesting, yet predictable news today from the SCAC!
I looked on the SCAC Banner and saw that they had not added the Austin College Kangaroo or the Colorado College Tiger, but still had the RHIT Elephant on the masthead. :-\

So, is it today that BSC is added as a member to the SCAC?  Will the press release mention the addition of football at BSC?

Anything happening at Oglethrope?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 08, 2006, 03:16:44 PM
Ralph,
Great post!  Let's just say that mascots are not what to look for. ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on June 08, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
Ralph,
Rose-Hulman is a member of the SCAC until July 1.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2006, 05:55:52 PM
As expected:

BIRMINGHAM-SOUTHERN BECOMES 12TH MEMBER OF THE SCAC

SUWANEE, Ga. - Birmingham-Southern (Ala.) College was unanimously confirmed as the 12th member of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC) in a vote of the league's presidents yesterday.

For the complete release, click to:  http://www.scac-online.org

(note:  as of 1655 CDT there was no release posted yet).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 06:09:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on June 08, 2006, 05:55:52 PM
As expected:

BIRMINGHAM-SOUTHERN BECOMES 12TH MEMBER OF THE SCAC

SUWANEE, Ga. - Birmingham-Southern (Ala.) College was unanimously confirmed as the 12th member of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC) in a vote of the league's presidents yesterday.

For the complete release, click to:  http://www.scac-online.org



(note:  as of 1655 CDT there was no release posted yet).

Release up by 1702 hours CDT.

Congratulations to BSC and welcome aboard.

Football in 2007-08?  Or did I misinterpret the press release.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 06:13:16 PM
Quote from: scacsid on June 08, 2006, 03:22:00 PM
Ralph,
Rose-Hulman is a member of the SCAC until July 1.

Thanks SCAC-SID and congratulations.

I am happy for BSC, the SCAC and for D3!

The "BSC Case Study" will focus more light on the benefits of the D3 brand of intercollegiate athletics.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 08, 2006, 08:18:58 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Lindy's 2006 Preseason D3 Football Poll)


2006 Lindy's National College Football Preview
D3 Preseason Poll:       #20-----Trinity (TX)
                                     #21-----Mary Hardin-Baylor
These are the only SCAC or ASC teams listed.                 

#1 Mount Union, #2 Whitewater, #3 Rowan and #4 St. John's
What else could be new?

Also, "2006 All-D3 Defense" (2nd Team)-----Dustin Allen-----DL Trinity (TX)
and, "2006 Key Games"-----September 2nd (Week One)-----East Texas Baptist at Trinity (TX).
                                     
                                                       :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on June 09, 2006, 11:00:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 02:23:12 PM
Anything happening at Oglethrope?

In regards to what?  Football?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2006, 11:10:16 AM
Quote from: Bubba the Petrel on June 09, 2006, 11:00:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 02:23:12 PM
Anything happening at Oglethrope?

In regards to what?  Football?

Hello Bubba!  Welcome to the football board!

Are the Petrels going to add football? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2006, 11:20:48 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2006, 02:23:12 PM
Quote from: consultant on June 08, 2006, 02:12:55 PM
Look for some interesting, yet predictable news today from the SCAC!

So, is it today that BSC is added as a member to the SCAC?  Will the press release mention the addition of football at BSC?

Anything happening at Oglethrope?

To quote that great and profound American philosopher, Meatloaf,

"Two out of three ain't bad."  ;D :D :D

It's the offseason!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on June 09, 2006, 11:23:09 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2006, 11:10:16 AM
Are the Petrels going to add football? :)

I wish OU would restart the football program, but I'm not holding my breath (and if the school is looking into it, they haven't said anything to the alums).  Maybe the addition of BSC to the conference (along with us having an AD that we hired away from a football school) might get something going.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 09, 2006, 02:05:48 PM
Im a first time user, LOOOOONG time reader of this board.

I was looking over the DePaw Schedule and saw that they had 4 home games and 6 road games.  I understand why after the travel debacle least year to San Antonio, but is this going to 'reset' next year to be evened out at 5 and 5 or will they have 6 home and 4 away?

Cant wait for the season to start!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 09, 2006, 02:20:03 PM

I would be concerned as well if I were a DPU alumnus.  With 6 home games it seems more likely that Depauw can maintain its stranglehold on second place in the conference.   ;D

When you write Depaw, I assume that's a typo...?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 09, 2006, 02:31:22 PM
Yea...DePauw...there's a liberal arts education for yah... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2006, 03:05:29 PM
The SCAC schedule is likely to be changing quite a bit anyway. I understand the presidents only want to play six games among the nine teams. That's going to be a challenge for the conference office to come up with a solution.

Basically, nobody wants to have to travel to both Trinity and Colorado College in the same year ... which I can understand, but the presidents might have wanted to consider that before admitting CC. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2006, 04:20:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2006, 03:05:29 PM
The SCAC schedule is likely to be changing quite a bit anyway. I understand the presidents only want to play six games among the nine teams. That's going to be a challenge for the conference office to come up with a solution.

Basically, nobody wants to have to travel to both Trinity and Colorado College in the same year ... which I can understand, but the presidents might have wanted to consider that before admitting CC. :)

Those are going to be some interesting tie breakers.   I bet the coaches won't be all that excited about having to line up four non-conference games each year ... yeah, OK, it's what they do now.  Still. 

And only playing six games between nine teams begs the question why bother to sign up all these FB schools?  Sounds like the SCAC presidents want to have their cake (Pool A bid) and eat it too (only six conference games). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLU78 on June 09, 2006, 04:25:03 PM
Tommorrow night at Finley Stadium at UT-C you can see several Sewanee recruits playing in the Georgia vs. Tennessee All Star game.

http://stumponsports.com/home.html

and

http://www.stumponsports.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=19792#post19792

Good luck to all the players!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 09, 2006, 05:26:30 PM

Tie breakers, huh?

I just hope that they don't go the way of the Big Ten, who in the case of a co-championship, they send the Rose Bowl the team that has not been there longer.  That means that Trinity would miss out on the automatic tie in for 12 straight years!

Trinity should have their own division of the SCAC and Coach Mohr should decide which teams get to play them.  The rule should state that only an unbeaten team that played and defeated Trinity shall be given a conference championship.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2006, 05:51:40 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on June 09, 2006, 05:26:30 PM

Tie breakers, huh?

I just hope that they don't go the way of the Big Ten, who in the case of a co-championship, they send the Rose Bowl the team that has not been there longer.  That means that Trinity would miss out on the automatic tie in for 12 straight years!

Not exactly -- say it worked out that DePauw and Trinity tied for the title under this system in 2009 and Trinity missed the playoffs because of it. In 2010, if DePauw and Trinity go to a tiebreaker, Trinity would win because it had not been to the playoffs since 2008.

Rose Bowl rule is in a lot of conference's tiebreakers for three-way ties. However, in a two-way tie, we'll have, what, a 58% chance of a head-to-head result and since there will be common opponents, that might be of use as well.

I recommend the league look into two options: The one used by the NCAC currently, where a power ranking separates the league into two strata and "ensures" the top teams always play each of the other top teams, or the one formerly used by the MAC, where it was split in two divisions and the winner of a head-to-head in-season crossover game determined the automatic bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2006, 08:37:43 PM
The 6-conference game SCAC schedule works in several ways.

It provides travel-friendly games against independents like Huntingdon and LaGrange for the eastern teams.

It doesn't endanger the Monon Bell game for DePauw.

Trinity and Austin College can then schedule Texas opponents such as Texas Lutheran, East Texas Baptist or even UMHB/HSU.

The non-conference schedule for Colorado College can include games for the opponent-starved west coast teams.

The recent records by Colorado College and Trinity make me think that the Colorado College Tigers are the preferred cat!  You can easily build a schedule in which the team makes one road trip or another.

As an ASC fan, I think that I like the 6-conference game SCAC schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on June 12, 2006, 12:41:27 PM
It looks like DPU has filled the openings on their staff:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/index.asp?id=17670

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2006, 12:47:03 PM
Yep. You can find that release and other recent releases on the front page of D3football.com.

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 12, 2006, 03:45:46 PM
Are Coach Walker and Hreha sticking around?  It looks like the three new coaches are on the defensive side of the ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 12, 2006, 04:32:23 PM
Bobby Jackson seems like a helluva hire.  Illinois played some damn tough defense in his years there, and the NCAC Tigers experience with Illinois db coaches bodes well for Depauw, expecially in the Bell given the dearth of wide receivers returning for the Little Giants.

Besides the kid coming in from Cathedral, at wide receiver I believe, how are the other offensive skill positions panning out for Depauw this recruiting season?  Have heard of several Qbs, but what about running backs?

best regards,
Zook McGarigle
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on June 12, 2006, 04:40:55 PM
as far as the skill positions go, they like wr's-bryan mulligan from chicago and chris cadle from indiana.  TE-they are trying to rebuild the position with P.Cartwright (chicago) and nik etzcorn (michigan).  RB-  I have seen Elijah Cambell (indy) on a couple of occasions and I think he will be a good one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on June 12, 2006, 04:43:53 PM
As far as the new hire's, I don't know much but what I do know is that they lost 2 assistant coaches (full time) in kazmierczak and nystrom and have announced the hiring of 3 coaches jackson, felton, zorbo....so either someone else has departed or been asked to depart or the administration in greencastle added another position.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on June 12, 2006, 05:58:23 PM
Some more digging into Millsaps scheduling of Lincoln University was done by Consultant.  It seems the school is a provisional DIII member and the game and stats will count toward a 10th game for Millsaps, the first time the school has actually had 10 games that count in three or so years it seems.  I am sure this game will be researched more and it could be that the game will not count . . . more to come I am sure.

On another note, according to Millsaps schedule, the team will only play 3 games away this year, another interesting scheduling maneuver.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 12, 2006, 06:13:32 PM
Lincoln (Pa.) is a full D-III member that does not have football.
Lincoln Christian (Ill.) is a first-year provisional D-III member that does not have football.

Those are the only D-III Lincolns.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 12, 2006, 06:21:56 PM
Tigerdad,

What school did Elijah Campbell play for in Indy?  I saw the better part of the old CSAC representatives play this year as well as the home opponents for Speedway.  Not big on names of players unless Ive been given some insgiht prior to spectating.  Might be Ive seen him play.

signed,
Enoch and the Royal Stewart minus a yellow windowpane
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 06:24:57 PM
Mystery solved. ;)

Millsaps is playing D2 Lincoln University of Missouri.

http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1080.asp
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 12, 2006, 06:34:31 PM
MacLeod...
I believe Campbell played for Indianapolis Ritter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 12, 2006, 09:10:42 PM
Cardinal Ritter has had some fine running backs over the years...  A few of the names escape, but most remember Shane Thomas.  Big physical runner.  Held the state rushing title, career, single season or both, dont quite remember.

Saw Ritter play either this year or last, forget which year they won the Indiana State 1A title.  Remember the running back, well , glorified fullback to be more precise.  Wondering if this is the same kid, would go about 250 pounds.  Excellent lateral balance and decent ability to get in and out of the blocks, though not so much the downhill runner that would be expected at his size.

Really could be a skill set that was developed or coached as opposed to a deficiency.  Ritter ran a play that was a long held tradition, called Ritter Left Ritter Right...  Essentially they would come out in I backs with or without an offset fullback, unbalanced line and run a counter into the heavy side of the formation.  The changeup was a nearly blind dive against the grain of the counter action of the line.  Required a little wiggle at the line to get free on the changeup then get high and in the saddle, whereas the counter required lateral movement and patience.

signed,
some guy that Pepper Valdez burnt and Art Diaz croney 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 12, 2006, 09:46:54 PM
don't know much about him...other than he didn't make the all city team...rb's were all underclassmen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on June 12, 2006, 10:04:39 PM
Hard to make the All-City team when playing for a 1A school.  Not to mention, Ritter playing as a 1A plays nobody lower than 2A during the season and generally 3A or higher.  They always open the season with Northwest, a 5A school that also competes for All City honors. 

That head to head with Northwest often hurts Ritters guys for laurels and such.  Willing to bet one or two of the Northwest running backs made the All-city team as they were very impressive.  Noted more than one Wabash recruiting poster on Northwests premises.

Ritter has to compete against a pool of virtually all 5A IPS schools not to mention the higher classed Cathedrals, Scecinas and Chatards of the world for postseason honors, while cobbling a schedule out of county and further destination foes that dont really have a direct say in city voting.  So discount the not all city sentiment.

Would venture to say the guy from Ritter is not one and the same as the 250 back rambled about earlier, pretty sure that guy made more than one all something or another team.  But leave the analysis at Ritters fine tradition of producing quality running backs.

signed,
Otis Shannon and Derrick Ellis
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 12, 2006, 10:34:42 PM
actually two other ritter kids (qb and wr, both underclassmen) made the all city team...i don't disagree with your take...but do point out that 5A teams ritter plays are weak (although northwest had a good year)...they play teams like washington and beech grove...i think they may even play heritage christian...at any rate, i've never seen the kid so i don't know...hope he is a good one and has a great career at depauw!   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 13, 2006, 04:25:44 PM
My digging obviously turned up inaccurate information about Lincoln.  It certainly appears that Lincoln is D-II.  Thanks to Ralph for being diligent on checking Lincoln's 2006 football schedule.  It has been updated since I last checked.  I was told last week that Lincoln would be classified as a provisional D-III member, but that appears to be incorrect for the time being.  I would prefer a 10th opponent on the D-III level for Millsaps, but as long as Lincoln is not a club team I can't complain too much.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 13, 2006, 05:06:47 PM
D2's better than club ... and maybe Millsaps can get Birmingham-Southern instead starting in 2007.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2006, 05:11:15 PM
Beginning in 2007, Millsaps will have their choice of 8 SCAC opponents plus MissColl and LaCollege in the ASC or Huntingdon and LaGrange.

WashStL would even be a good candidate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2006, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2006, 05:11:15 PM
Beginning in 2007, Millsaps will have their choice of 8 SCAC opponents plus MissColl and LaCollege in the ASC or Huntingdon and LaGrange.

WashStL would even be a good candidate.

OMG I just realized how stupid my last post was.  Wow.  That should disqualify me from ever writing a column for D3football again.

Hey Ralph - want to take on a new challenge?  You know way more about D3 FB in the SW (and elsewhere) than I do!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 11:53:38 AM
I believe they said B-SC "would be playing SCAC teams" in 2007 but that specifically did not mean a full conference schedule. It's possible Millsaps might not get B-SC right away though obviously they would want to.

Millsaps has been wandering in the scheduling wilderness ever since telling UW-Stout it wasn't coming to Wisconsin to finish the 2002-03 home-and-home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 01:29:23 PM
WORD ON THE STREET IS THAT TIM ROGERS HAS RESIGNED AS HEAD FOOTBALL COACH AT DEPAUW. RUNNING BACKS COACH MATT WALKER WILL BE THE HEAD COACH THIS SEASON.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 15, 2006, 02:05:57 PM
no surprise here...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2006, 02:18:16 PM
Quote from: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 01:29:23 PM
WORD ON THE STREET

Which street?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on June 15, 2006, 03:59:31 PM
Quote from: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 01:29:23 PM
WORD ON THE STREET IS THAT TIM ROGERS HAS RESIGNED AS HEAD FOOTBALL COACH AT DEPAUW. RUNNING BACKS COACH MATT WALKER WILL BE THE HEAD COACH THIS SEASON.

HoosierQBScout,

How could you make that statement on this board and offer no source or reason to back it up?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 04:14:42 PM
werner99---
i appreciate your question...people who told me, including a current player, would not want their names to be used.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 04:39:53 PM
THE NEWS IS NOW ON THE DEPAUW WEBSITE.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on June 15, 2006, 04:50:36 PM
This is unbelievable.  The program deserves so much better than this. 

The DePauw web site offered no statement from Rogers or reason as to why he is no longer there.

I'll reserve any comments (and I'll have plenty at the appropriate time) until this gets sorted out.

A quick note on Matt Walker- he has done a fine job with the baseball team and is a solid guy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 15, 2006, 05:03:45 PM
werner99---
i agree with you...depauw has to be up front with folks on what happened here...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 15, 2006, 05:04:25 PM
As a DePauw alumnus, I am saddened by yet another coaching change.  It is tough to know if the program can continue to have success with all the coaching changes.  They have done very well the last two years (8-2 and 7-2 I believe) with new coaches each year.  

However, I have played for and coached with Matt Walker and I think he along with Robby Long will do a fantastic job.  I am eager to hear why Rogers left...any thoughts or speculation?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2006, 05:04:46 PM
Basically the whole coaching staff (except Walker and Long) has now turned over as a result, right?  Ouch ... gotta be a story here.   Wish I knew.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on June 15, 2006, 05:10:35 PM
Quote from: DPU92 on June 15, 2006, 05:04:25 PMThey have done very well the last two years (8-2 and 7-2 I believe) with new coaches each year.

Depauw has done pretty well following the last two coaching changes. But having a legendary coach retire is forseeable. Lynch's departure may have been a somewhat of surprise but not really.

This is an absolute shock and quite different from the last two changes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 15, 2006, 05:13:16 PM
That is unbelievable about DePauw.  From all indications, Walker does seem like a class act.  Best of luck to the Tigers.  Despite PR efforts claiming that naming Walker as head coach will make a smooth transition, the fact is that the football team is going to have to make a transition in the summer.  We'll see what happens.

Pat, regarding Millsaps' scheduling woes, the "wandering in the scheduling wilderness" was only INTENSIFIED when the school told UW-Stout it wasn't coming to Wisconsin to finish the 2002-03 home-and-home.  The wandering started in 2001 when Millsaps scheduled the club team.....University of South Alabama.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 15, 2006, 05:17:18 PM
Lil Giant - Ill give you that. Coach Nick announced he was leaving at the beginning of a season and most people knew that Lynch was not going to stick for that long.  Rogers leaving is a huge surprise and a summer transition is going to be...well...a challenge to say the least.  I think one thing on there side is the fact that Coach Walker is an in house hire and has been there for about 10 years playing and coaching.  Regardless...this is still a shock.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 15, 2006, 05:22:32 PM

That's twice today that DePauw people have made improper use of there/their. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 15, 2006, 05:27:29 PM
Not pertinent to the conversation and a waste of your time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on June 15, 2006, 05:28:13 PM
The bottom line is this:

No one is going to give DPU an extra 7 points out of pity.

The senior class now has an opportunity to take charge, show some moxy, and lead the team.  

In fact, the seniors have a chance to show the type of leadership the rest of the University lacks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 15, 2006, 05:32:27 PM
Werner99, i wouldn't put this on the university quite yet...btw, have you ever met Rogers...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on June 16, 2006, 10:01:44 AM
No way Walker can coach both for more than a year. So will it be 5 in 5 years?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 16, 2006, 10:47:35 AM
After reading Rogers comments in the D3football acticle, I think part of the problem MIGHT have been in the hiring process of new coaches.  This is just my guess and I have no idea how it works at other schools at any level, but at DePauw the adminstration makes some or most of the decision in regards to who it hires even with assistant coaches which could put a strain between the head coach and the university.  Is is possible that Rogers was not happy with the new coaches the University was bringing in?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 16, 2006, 11:09:52 AM
obviously he wasn't happy with the old coaches  ;) ...that process could and should have been ironed out before he took the job...if it wasn't , shame on both parties...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 16, 2006, 03:36:38 PM
What an eventful off-season we've had in the SCAC ...


Who woulda thunkit??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 16, 2006, 03:44:38 PM
There's a nice piece on former Trinity RB Jerrold Jones in this season's issue of Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine, which is now on newsstands, if anyone is interested.

JJ appears to be quite a talented artist, and I wouldn't mind having the Vince Young print he's holding in the piece.

Congrats to JJ and Trinity for his appearance in the article.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on June 16, 2006, 04:10:38 PM
What is Dave Campbell's up to this year? $24.95?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 16, 2006, 04:18:47 PM
Something like $2,499,000 in Turkish Lire.   8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on June 16, 2006, 04:20:36 PM
I don't remember what it was last year but it's gone up a lot in the last few years. Of course, it has the price elasticity of heroin.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 16, 2006, 04:21:33 PM
I think it was $9.99, to be honest.  Don't exactly remember, though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on June 16, 2006, 06:42:47 PM
Hey Team,

I'd be remissed if I didn't throw a comment in the hat here.  While I haven't been around the situation (I'm now graduated and actually doing work for a living... so former_dpu_radio_guy i guess).. I'm not really surprised that this is hush-hush. 

I covered DPU athletics for WGRE for 4 years, and was part the football program as a student coach for a year as well.  The administration won't give you any details on anything.  This isn't anybody's fault in Athletics, PR, Sports Info, or anyone else except the people at the top.  It's the same way with anything that happens at that University.  It isn't just athletics.  This adminstration about as close to the vest as it gets.

I'm not speaking on behalf of WGRE or DPU athletics, but that administration won't tell you a thing.  I know it's frustrating.. it was always very frustrating for me as well trying to get facts out of the suits on anything and everything. 

I'm not sure how it is at Trinity or Millsaps or any of these other conference schools, but this is typical stuff from these people.

As somebody who isn't affiliated with DPU anymore, I'll tell you that Coach Walker is a stand up guy who will take the program in the right direction as long as he is at the head.  Having Coach Long along side won't hurt, either.  Those guys know the drill and will insure the program is in good hands.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 16, 2006, 07:20:15 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on June 16, 2006, 03:44:38 PM
There's a nice piece on former Trinity RB Jerrold Jones in this season's issue of Dave Campbell's Texas Football magazine, which is now on newsstands, if anyone is interested.

JJ appears to be quite a talented artist, and I wouldn't mind having the Vince Young print he's holding in the piece.

Congrats to JJ and Trinity for his appearance in the article.

Indeed ... congratulations to JJ and Trinity ... what a fine young man and a nice extra feature to this year's issue of DCTF. 

Quote from: Li'l Giant on June 16, 2006, 04:10:38 PM
What is Dave Campbell's up to this year? $24.95?

For the record, the magazine's cover price is $9.95 (cheap in my book) and it's available now at area stores, including WalMart.  It's hard to find in these parts, so I ordered mine on-line at http://www.texasfootball.com.  I bought the Longhorns National Championship commemorative package deal ... $35 for the magazine, a UT feature magazine, and the DVD.  A sweet deal and it was in my mailbox 3 days later.

For those out of state or not able to get their copy, here's a scan of the feature from page 17 of DCTF 2006:

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(click image above to enlarge)
Once the 2005 Trinity University football season ended, Jerrold Jones thought his sports career was over. The all-conference running back had seen his share of publicity for his work on the field -- including a 5A Division II state title at Katy in 2000 -- but he never thought his work off of the gridiron would bring any attention at all. But a few artistic creations later -- including the above drawing of former Texas quarterback Vince Young -- and Jones is thinking his sports-related career is just beginning.

"The dream would be to become the artist sports lovers seek out for a memorable piece," Jones said.

While that dream has yet to be realized, he has already sold several of his first works.

"If anyone is looking for something to be created, I'm ready and willing," Jones said.


(c) Dave Campbell's 2006 Texas Football Magazine, Host Communications, Carrollton, TX


Way to go, JJ!   (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1atexasfootball.com%2Fimages%2Fwav.gif&hash=e6ab12b95afa0d0ae5da1f6f65fa1ace1da0c9e7)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 17, 2006, 07:07:36 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Street & Smith's 2006 D3 Preseason Football Poll)


Street & Smith's 2006 College Football Yearbook
D3 Preseason Poll
                             #16--Trinity (TX)
                             #13--Hardin-Simmons
                             #  8--Mary Hardin-Baylor

#1 Mount Union, #2 Rowan, #3 Whitewater.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 17, 2006, 08:48:23 PM
Wow. What does Whitewater have to do to be No. 2?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2006, 11:48:08 AM
Quote from: Windy City Warrior on June 18, 2006, 11:16:27 AM
I hear that rodgers was fired for refusing to hire a minority.

Windy City Warrior,

Please substantiate that rumor.

The hyperlink or the pdf file for the confirmation will be sufficient.

Thank you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 18, 2006, 12:59:38 PM
Windy City Warrior, long time listener, first time caller ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 18, 2006, 09:01:12 PM
the minority hire comment makes no sense at all...
any credible comments regarding the long term nature of the hire/ does it sound as though walker is the guy---long term????

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 19, 2006, 04:42:40 PM
i read it as a long term commitment...hope Coach Walker has a good agent  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 20, 2006, 08:38:58 AM
Question with Walker is simple:  is it reasonable to ask one man to be the head coach for both baseball and football on a long-term basis?   I would not be surprised to see them look for another baseball coach if Walker works out.   

Meanwhile, Birmingham-Southern has announced its new head football coach, Joey Jones; see Notables (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php).  The Birmingham News (http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1150795081293730.xml&coll=2) also has a story ... the school will be spending between $2 and $3 million on facilities, including stadium/field, track, locker rooms, and coaches' offices. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 20, 2006, 09:46:11 AM
Ron, thanks for the BSC article.

I think that the new BSC coach needs to realize that he will not be fired for losing at BSC.  He will get fired for not having a program of character, with athletes of character.

It must be exicting at BSC to see this thing building.  With the track, that means that they may add at least 3 sports, and I will bet they add Swimming and Diving as well.  (That is five new sports.)  They have an aquatics facility on campus.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on June 20, 2006, 10:06:59 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 17, 2006, 08:48:23 PM
Wow. What does Whitewater have to do to be No. 2?

Change their name to Rowan or St. John's.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 20, 2006, 11:07:27 AM
Does anyone remember BSC coach Joey Jones?

Little and fast, he was one helluva receiver for the Brimingham Stallions of the USFL.  As a kid, he was one of my favorite players in the league.  He also played at BAMA

Good for him.  With DuBose at Millsaps, the Tide looks like they're taking over.   I predict Gene Stallings as the next coach at Huntingdon should Mike Turk ever move on. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on June 20, 2006, 08:06:42 PM
NEWS FLASH: Depauw screens their email...coaches beware of what you send...word to the wise  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on June 20, 2006, 08:43:52 PM
what exactly are you implying scotty?  did you find something out that we don't know?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on June 21, 2006, 11:20:24 AM
I know I'm a little late coming into the discussion, but I am disappointed to see the coaching turnover at DePauw.  I guess this is what comes when you have Coach Nick at the helm for 20 plus years and then have a new head coach every year since.  I do wish Coach Walker the best of luck this year (in both football and baseball).  Werner99 and I played with him, and he is a stand up guy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 21, 2006, 12:59:01 PM
Amen to that!  In a situation like this, Walker is a great solution to this problem.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on June 21, 2006, 01:16:38 PM
Just saw this blurb on the Sports Illustrated page of the CNN website:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/scorecard/06/21/truth.rumors.nfl/index.html?cnn=yes

The Saints will have a press conference in Jackson, Miss., on Thursday morning to announce that they will hold training camp at Millsaps College, according to a team source. -- New Orleans Times-Picayune
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 21, 2006, 04:56:57 PM
It's the truth.  The Saints are expected to officially announce tomorrow that they will train at Millsaps this summer.  This is not new news, as Millsaps and the Saints have been working out details of the arrangement for well over a month.

The Saints will still be in town when Millsaps football players report for pre-season drills.   While there will be some minor inconveniences with the overlap (read men's and women's soccer will also be on campus early) Millsaps could not afford to let this opportunity slip by.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 21, 2006, 07:20:36 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Saints Training Camp at Millsaps)

Saints training at Millsaps "sounds good"; maybe Millsaps' officials should check with other schools as to how some NFL Teams have treated their campus/residence halls. I'm sure some have behaved very well, but others (old Houston Oilers at Trinity) "forget about it"! 

                                                       :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 22, 2006, 10:13:16 AM

I was told that Trinity got a dorm out of the deal with the oilers, plus they donated a lot of weights.  I wasn't aware of any problems they caused.  To what are you referring?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on June 22, 2006, 01:25:48 PM
Rose Hulman also got a FANTASTIC field, practice fields and indoor field house when the Colts were in town.  I am not sure if the Colts paid for it all or if they helped out, but regardless they got some great stuff.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 22, 2006, 04:41:41 PM
The New Orleans Saints and Millsaps College have agreed on a four-year deal that will enable the National Football League team to hold training camp at the school.

Here's a link to the Millsaps' release about the Saints (with pictures):

http://www.millsaps.edu/news_events/releases/June/saints.shtml

Here's a link to the Saints' release (with picture):

http://www.neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=2572
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 22, 2006, 06:34:41 PM
TU2698,
If Trinity got a dorm out of hosting the Oilers (I doubt it, but I hope they did), then it was to make-up for the treatment of other campus dorms and property. They may have left some weights and other strength equipment, but the attitude to the summer campus staff   ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on June 22, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
Where are they going to stay?  Cabot Lodge???  Oops, maybe I should read the releases...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 22, 2006, 07:19:19 PM
The Saints will stay in the dorms on campus. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on June 23, 2006, 05:37:21 PM
Quote from: historymajor on June 22, 2006, 06:38:00 PM
Where are they going to stay?  Cabot Lodge???  Oops, maybe I should read the releases...

Aw cmon now... that Cabot Lodge is sweet, dude. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on June 24, 2006, 09:33:05 AM
You're right....  that's the best road motel/hotel in the SCAC...  The great room in the lodge can accommodate an entire football team and fans...  and the happy hour is great....  walking distance to Millsaps baseball and football... literally right on the campus...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on June 25, 2006, 09:58:40 PM
what has been the fallout (if any) of depauw recurits to the coaching change?? maybe reaction would be a better term...and wondering about what's next..

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 26, 2006, 09:30:12 AM
As late as this happened, I would be surprised if there is any significant change in the football roster.  You don't go to a school like DePauw primarily to play football, you go to get a quality education.  It would be difficult to get accepted into similar schools this late in the game. 

IMO where this could cause problems would be next year.   Other coaches could say things like "do you want to go someplace where they burned through four coaches in four years," etc.   That said, I've been very impressed at how well the team has performed through all these changes and it speaks to the kinds of kids being recruited and their primary reasons for going there. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 28, 2006, 07:44:50 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: USA Today Sports Weekly 2006 College Football Preview)

USA Today Sports Weekly
College Football Preview
2006 D3 Preseason Poll
                                       #23---Trinity (TX)
                                       #18---Hardin-Simmons
                                       #  8---Mary Hardin-Baylor

#1-Mount Union, #2-Whitewater, #3-Rowan, #4-St. John's

                                                     :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 06, 2006, 03:16:22 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity (TX) 2006 Football Season Preview)


The Trinity Tiger's 2006 Season Preview is currently posted on their Athletics (Football) website.

                                                            :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on July 10, 2006, 07:26:19 PM
DePauw has hired former Butler Head Coach Kit Catwright as offensive coordinator and offensive line coach..

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on July 10, 2006, 07:31:46 PM
will he be installing that potent, high octane Butler offense or staying with the Depauw scheme...btw, the new head coach is still playing baseball per the NCAC forum...what is going on...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on July 10, 2006, 07:40:44 PM
will be interesting to see...i would not hold the butler situation against him...a no win situation with no athletes...knowing kit personally, he is a great guy with a very good offensive mind...and some great experience having coached at a number of D 1 stops (Michigan, Purdue, IU among them)...we'll see...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on July 10, 2006, 08:32:32 PM
good guy, nice man...yes we will...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on July 11, 2006, 12:03:43 AM
Scotty-  Just to provide facts to the discussion, I will say that Matt Walker called my house to speak with my son (a sophmore) the night the change happened.  He told him that he was calling every incoming kid that night, and since then he has emailed the team on several occasions.  The uppercalssmen are also calling the incoming kids and each other, I think they are all rallying around this whole thing.

As far as what Matt Walker does in his free time, as with all coaches/professionals is his business until it causes a problem.  I'm sure there are plenty of coaches who go home and drink a 12 pack of beer every night, but until they get a d.w.i its really none of our business. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 11, 2006, 04:41:13 AM
For those of you who might have missed the posting over in the ASC topic, here's a NY Times article with some nice things to say about the advantages of football programs at D3 schools, notably UMHB and others:

Small Colleges, Short of Men, Embrace Football
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/10/education/10football.html?_r=2&pagewanted=all

Not sure about the dorky "frat boys" vs. football fighting testimonial, but otherwise a nice tribute to D3 athletes and the D3 level!

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on July 11, 2006, 09:11:08 AM
tigerdadplm, i was "misinformed" then by 1 current Depauw player and 1 future Depauw player...my bad...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on July 11, 2006, 02:00:36 PM
This is a pointless topic and has little to do with the upcoming season...next topic please....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on July 11, 2006, 02:22:25 PM
thank you big 92
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on July 11, 2006, 09:01:48 PM
Given the circumstances, I think the Cartwright hire at DPU is a good one.  The DPU staff consists of mostly young coaches and has no one else with a single year of college head football coaching experience. 

Cartwright brings both head coaching experience as well as nearly 20 years of college coaching experience at Big 10 and MAC schools.  I don't know if there is anyone else available this time of year with this type of resume.

How much does his lack of success at Butler reflect upon his coaching skills?  There is not a blueprint background for guaranteed success in coaching. Belichick was fired by Cleveland before winning multiple Super Bowls with New England.  I'm not implying Cartwright will turn it around like Belichick, but just illustrating the point that he could add some value to the DPU staff this year despite not doing well at Butler.

Bottom line is the DPU staff could use someone like this and to be able to hire him at this time of year is good for the program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 18, 2006, 11:58:14 AM
Congrats to Trinity's Dustin Allen, the sole SCAC representative on the 2006 D3football.com pre-season All-America team (http://www.d3football.com/tow/06/preallamericans.htm). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2006, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 06:24:57 PM
Mystery solved. ;)

Millsaps is playing D2 Lincoln University of Missouri.

http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1080.asp

I don't think that we have covered this schedule change.

Millsaps is now playing cross-town NAIA rival Belhaven on September 23rd.

IMHO, I think that Millsaps has an outstanding schedule this year.  The Belhaven game is easy on the budget and travel time, and it should be good for the community of Jackson, MS.  The Majors will have the 6 SCAC games, plus 2 ASC opponents (Miss Coll and LaCollege), Huntingdon and the Belhaven game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2006, 06:41:37 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2006, 05:45:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 12, 2006, 06:24:57 PM
Mystery solved. ;)

Millsaps is playing D2 Lincoln University of Missouri.

http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1080.asp

I don't think that we have covered this schedule change.

Millsaps is now playing cross-town NAIA rival Belhaven on September 23rd.

IMHO, I think that Millsaps has an outstanding schedule this year.  The Belhaven game is easy on the budget and travel time, and it should be good for the community of Jackson, MS.  The Majors will have the 6 SCAC games, plus 2 ASC opponents (Miss Coll and LaCollege), Huntingdon and the Belhaven game.

Actually, the Millsaps schedule seems to be up in the air.  I was assuming that the D3football schedule that was submitted for Millsaps was correct.

Millsaps web site (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml) says Sept 23rd is an open date and they are playing D2 Lincoln MO on September 30th.

The Belhaven site  (http://blazers.belhaven.edu/football/schedule.htm) says it is playing a Mid-South Football Conference game vs. Georgetown KY.

The Georgetown KY site (http://www.georgetowncollegeathletics.com/Teams/Football/) agrees with Belhaven.

The Lincoln MO site (http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1080.asp) still has the Sept 30th game vs. Millsaps.

It looks like that Millsaps may not be playing Belhaven this year. :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on July 23, 2006, 06:52:28 PM
Ralph,
That was my fault. A schedule that Millsaps had posted earlier in the summer had them playing Belhaven on that date. That was the schedule I submitted to D3scoreboard. It is fixed now - until something else changes that is. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 23, 2006, 07:38:57 PM
Thanks scacsid,  I was reviewing a list of the games sent to me by Lazindex showing the games between D3 and NAIA and D2's, etc. when I came upon this.

Thanks for clarifying this.

Scacsid, you must be excited to have AC and Colorado College on board! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on July 24, 2006, 09:13:24 AM
Ralph,
Very much so...although, as a one man shop here at the new and improved 12-member SCAC, it may be time to put a "Help Wanted" sign in the window.
:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerdadplm on July 25, 2006, 03:23:19 PM
I'm picking Centre in an upset the week before against Trinity, so the DPU vs. Centre game becomes very important regardless of what the DPU/Trinity outcome is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 26, 2006, 03:36:00 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 2006 SCAC "Football" Championship)


tigerdadplm,

2006 SCAC Championship----DePauw at Centre---10/28      ???

Are you aware that there is now a separate "Soccer Board" available for your posting?

                                                   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tutiger on July 27, 2006, 09:21:11 AM
ETG,

I think the scenario you just implied (DePauw and Centre battling for either soccer conference championship) is even less likely than DePauw and Centre playing for the football championship.  And let's not be too cocky and forget 2000. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2006, 12:39:40 PM
Quote from: tutiger on July 27, 2006, 09:21:11 AM
And let's not be too cocky and forget 2000. 

Or 2003 (Rhodes 23, Trinity 20, OT); or 1996 (Millsaps 13, Trinity 10), or 1995 (Centre 17, Trinity 7). 

Trinity has won/tied 13 straight SCAC championships but had help along the way to do so.  This year is going to be a real challenge if the new OL can't come together early.  ETBU is going to be a markedly tougher opener than seasons past. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: legend on July 27, 2006, 03:02:41 PM
Great to see the Saints arrive at Millsaps today.  Hopefully, Reggie will be in Jackson soon because I would really hate for him to become the next Tom Benson. I have not made it by campus yet, but I hear they have made some nice improvements.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on July 27, 2006, 05:01:35 PM
Winning 13 straight conference titles is an incredible feat and probably did take some luck or help.  However, Trinity is a quality program and I will pick them to win their conference until someone else can replace them.  I think the ETBU game should be very interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: chkeki on July 28, 2006, 03:01:11 PM
Agree that there is some luck in winning 13 conf titles.  However, most were outright titles, not co-champion titles.  Pretty impressive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 28, 2006, 03:26:42 PM
I'm guessing that Trinity is like Texas (small) high school football ... every year, some good players graduate and everyone thinks, "Man, I don't know about next year ... those younger guys will really have to step up."  And, every year, they do.

One thing's for sure ... it doesn't help your team to schedule weak opponents in the pre-conference season.  To be the best, you've gotta play against some tough teams, take your lumps, and learn the lessons in gametime.  I'm very impressed that TU will face three tough games in early September.  By the time DPU comes to San Antonio, we should know what this year's Black Flag and Big O can do.  The O needs to control the clock better and also put up more points in the early season this year ... the D will take care of their business.

This year's TU Tigers may not be undefeated at the end, but I'm predicting that they will do very well again in 2006.  I'll be there to see for myself.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on July 28, 2006, 09:46:37 PM
chkeki,  Trinity is the real deal.  13 straight is very impressive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 31, 2006, 12:02:52 PM
The Tigers can control the clock all they want.  What they need is some scoring power.  It seems like they've had big, athletic receivers since the Stagg Bowl year, but the only one that ever was consistent was Kelner and he wasn't big.  When you talk about Brailsford, Hicks, Byars- all those guys have great size and look(ed) really good when they have the ball in their hands, but none of them seem to be an every game threat to score.  They're all good for one to three huge plays per every two or three game. 

It doesn't help things when the QB isn't a threat to use the whole field.  I almost never see Jacob throwing or even looking into the middle of the field.  Everything is deep outside, scramble, or shovel.  I don't know if it was the line's doing or if defenses were able to commit more guys to run defense due to the reduced passing game, but they had a really down year running the football and especially in a short field.

I remember some serious ball control in the first half of the Huntingdon game that resulted in two field goals.  Had they gotten touchdowns in that first half, it may not have been such a tough game because they seemed to be playing well.  I also remember them getting into the red zone 4 times in the second half against UMHB and not one score!  All else being the same, they really need to start scoring touchdowns again.  Hopefully, Mr. Cannon learned a lot last year and they'll be able to do more.  Hopefully, Chris Baer works out well.  Hopefully, a receiver steps up.  Defense and special teams need to keep up the good work. 

I'm fearing that a full circle has developed.  If anyone remembers the first playoff year(1994), the Tigers didn't allow many points but struggled to score against everyone but Principia.  10-0 yes, but not a threat in the playoffs.  W&J made short work of them.  It was great for an upstart, but Trinity needs some playoff wins. 

Mmmmm.  I'm worried about ETBU, not so much about the SCAC. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on July 31, 2006, 07:43:33 PM
Legend and others,

I was home this past week and spent Friday at Millsaps to get an up-close look at the Saints' camp.  The Saints brass are "very pleased" with the arrangement.  The campus was beautiful, and the athletic facilities were in top shape.  Over 140 media credentials have been issued.  Now that Reggie Bush has signed, Jackson and Millsaps will be a media circus. 

Over 5,000 fans battled the heat and humidity over the weekend to watch the Saints practice at Millsaps.  Admission is free, although parking on campus costs $5.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on August 01, 2006, 11:46:19 AM
Check out link to some interesting history on college football in the state of Tennessee.

http://tennesseeencyclopedia.net/imagegallery.php?EntryID=F026
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kracken on August 01, 2006, 01:54:33 PM
Over the weekend, I heard from a reliable source that Coach Walker is doing an "excellent" job in preparation for this upcoming season. These are great words of encouragement, especially given the circumstances as of late at DPU. Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 02, 2006, 07:06:18 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Jake at 6-1 vs. Blake at 6-3)


TU2698,
You are correct regarding Jake not using all of the field; IMHO at 6-1 he just does not see downfield as well as Blake at 6-3.  This may be as simple as "the physics of the issue"?  The practices on schedule for later this month should be somehow structured to "flesh this problem out".

                                                               :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on August 02, 2006, 08:31:13 PM
Consultant...
Good for Millsaps...looks great for the school (and the conference) every time ESPN does a hit from there...and the facilities and campus do look good.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2006, 01:35:07 PM
I would have posted this in the SCAC soccer board except for the fact that the soccer admin saw fit to delete the boards I'd created there.  The FB team should be able to take advantage of the new weight room, tho... 

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/06soccer-wtroom.htm

SAN ANTONIO – Trinity University Director of Athletics Bob King has announced improvements to the school's soccer field and weight room.

The soccer field, dedicated in 1990, will be extended by eight yards, making it 120 yards long. The width will be expanded to 76 yards, from 66. The dimensions will meet all NCAA specifications. New 70-foot lighting poles will be installed, bringing the field to television broadcast quality standards. Plans are under way to build a press box structure on the south end of the field.

The field is home to the Tiger men's and women's soccer teams. Trinity's men captured the NCAA Division III national championship in 2003. The Tiger women advanced to the NCAA Final Four in 2000 and 2002.

The 3,400-square-foot Stumberg Fitness Center, located on the first floor of the Bell Athletic Center, will undergo a 100 percent replacement of current equipment. There will be an increase of power lifting equipment and six "combo racks" will be installed. A combination of exercises and weight training will now be available on a single apparatus. Fixed-weight barbells will be added, supplementing the use of removable dumbbells.


Ironic that they are adding a press box to the soccer field before fixing the one at EM Stevens ... but I fully expect an announcement regarding improvements to the football facilities after the end of the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 03, 2006, 01:42:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on August 03, 2006, 01:35:07 PM
...
Ironic that they are adding a press box to the soccer field before fixing the one at EM Stevens ... but I fully expect an announcement regarding improvements to the football facilities after the end of the season.

:D :D ;)
Doesn't seem ironic to me.  Trinity Soccer teams are better than their American football teams!  ;D :) :D :) ;) 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 03, 2006, 03:40:25 PM

I guess it's important to have tv broadcast quality lighting on a freaking d3 soccer field! 

Maybe the the lights are due for being changed out, but that sounds like an enormous cost.  However, if there are more improvements to come, good for Trinity for not skimping on the cost. 

I sure hope that this wasn't it for that announcement last year about improvements to the athletic facilities.  Bonzo, if you say it isn't, I'm sure you're probably right, but a lot of guys that were my teammates are convinced that the administration doesn't care about the football program.  I never believed such accusations, but this makes it more plausible.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 03, 2006, 04:21:49 PM
The SCAC men's soccer board is in the Central Region. Your post was moved there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2006, 04:45:45 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 03, 2006, 03:40:25 PM

I guess it's important to have tv broadcast quality lighting on a freaking d3 soccer field! 

Maybe the the lights are due for being changed out, but that sounds like an enormous cost.  However, if there are more improvements to come, good for Trinity for not skimping on the cost. 

I sure hope that this wasn't it for that announcement last year about improvements to the athletic facilities.  Bonzo, if you say it isn't, I'm sure you're probably right, but a lot of guys that were my teammates are convinced that the administration doesn't care about the football program.  I never believed such accusations, but this makes it more plausible.   

The soccer field dimension issue(s) kept the team from hosting playoff games, and perhaps the lighting was also sub-standard.  It will be nice for the teams to be able to host a playoff game on-campus instead of either having to have the game at Blossom or having to go on the road when Blossom's not available.

Re the money - there were $5M allocated in the current capital campaign and I don't see this consuming even 20% of that amount.

Re support - well, y'all have been there, but wouldn't you agree that the FB program is going to be the biggest beneficiary of the new weight room?  My take as an outsider is that the school keeps ratcheting up admissions standards, making it that much harder to find impact players.   Bob King is, in my mind, one of the outstanding D3 AD's in the country, and you would think that Coach Mohr could write his ticket to any number of D3 programs.   If they weren't getting the support they think they should, I doubt both would have been there for as long as they have. 

Re the SCAC soccer board being in the Central .... damn, I hate it when Pat serves up cheese to go with my whine!!  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 04, 2006, 09:53:37 AM
Pre-season polls - Trinity just misses the Top 25, and no other SCAC teams with votes.

Where's the love?

Trinity not cracking the Top 25 caught me by surprise.  I don't expect that trend to continue.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2006, 10:12:12 AM
Been a number of years since Trinity has won a first-round playoff game despite usually having homefield advantage.   That combined with this year's questions on offense (lots of graduation losses) probably accounts for the lack of respect.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 04, 2006, 10:16:46 AM
I suppose that the school is run well enough that we can assume people are making good decisions for the right reasons and that they have more information on the issue than we do.  However, if there's one thing that is just plain wrong on that campus, I have to contend that it is the football stadium.  I wonder if that new canal at the front of campus somehow attracts more students than an attractive football stadium would.

Bonzo, do you have any information about what the school gained from the facelift?  I think it's great, but what exactly is the reason for that tributary?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2006, 11:50:54 AM
I haven't been by campus since last FB season, but campus improvements are funny things.  Sometimes schools get bequests which say "you can only use the money for XYZ" and it's up to the leadership to implement the deceased's wishes given limited information/flexibility.  The Bell Center came about because the Bells wanted to see Trinity have a first-class indoor athletic facility.  Trust me - if you think EM Stevens is sad, you should have seen what it was like when the indoor athletics were all in what was then the Sams Center.  And who knows - maybe the soccer/weight room improvements are NOT part of the new capital campaign.  As there was nothing mentioned in the release about the "Campaign for Trinity University" someone could have made another donation or bequest.  As to whether the "canal" will help ... maybe they are looking for someplace new to throw students on their birthdays?   :D

I believe the administration "gets it" about improvements to Stevens.  I've been told that turf is in the plans once the Campaign concludes and believe there will be some improvements made to the stadium at the same time.   You're not going to get a 10,000 seat stadium or anything close to that but the limited home seating should be somewhat improved.  They are constrained by the location of the parking lot right next to the stands .... said parking lot didn't exist in the pre-D3 days but was added when the newer dorms were added to the lower campus. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 08, 2006, 10:54:26 AM
According to a headline story on another web site (http://www.d3kicks.com), the total cost of the Trinity soccer/weight room improvements is $652K;  $500K for the soccer field and $152K for the weight room.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 11, 2006, 10:45:33 PM
The 2006 edition of the Trinity Tigers reported to San Antonio today ... 115 strong with 49 first-years according to Head Coach Steve Mohr.  The men looked bigger and stronger than last August ... gonna be a great season, Tiger fans!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 12, 2006, 01:44:13 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: 2006 Trinity Tiger players reporting?)


TigerDad,

Do the Tigers have any "transfer players" reporting for these workouts? Earlier this summer I heard that there could be some. If so, who are they and from where do they come?

                                :)         ???           :)

                                                         

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 14, 2006, 12:37:43 PM
This isn't SCAC football but I have photos from the N.O. Saints training camp at Millsaps.  A collection of the photos will eventually get on the Millsaps sports photo website but for the moment they are under "Sports Related Photo Albums" at this site:  http://s8.photobucket.com/albums/a38/F_L_E/

As for Millsaps, I think the players reported over the weekend so there will be a stretch here of Millsaps and the Saints splitting time on the practice fields (they have 3 practice fields and the school stadium).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 15, 2006, 09:51:28 AM

Pat,

If you're out there, I wanted to thank you for the email you sent me with the links to the internet porn sites.  It looks as though someone has assumed your identity.  I was so excited that I accidentally deleted the message before looking at the links.  Should I assume that there are others that received similar info, or am I special?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 15, 2006, 10:48:59 AM
This appeared in the PM section this AM:

News: About personal messages: After last night's spam attempt by a newbie, junior varsity members are now prohibited from sending personal messages. They can still receive them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on August 15, 2006, 02:23:10 PM
I hate it when one person ruins it for others....guess I will have to post more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2006, 03:24:08 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 15, 2006, 09:51:28 AM

Pat,

If you're out there, I wanted to thank you for the email you sent me with the links to the internet porn sites.  It looks as though someone has assumed your identity.  I was so excited that I accidentally deleted the message before looking at the links.  Should I assume that there are others that received similar info, or am I special?



I don't know what was so unclear about a message line that specifically reads WHO THE SENDER IS.

The notification that there was a private message comes from the server. The MESSAGE ITSELF comes from the sender. Read, please!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 15, 2006, 03:41:06 PM
Pat, why don't you ever send ME internet porn?   ;) ;D 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on August 15, 2006, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on August 15, 2006, 03:41:06 PM
Pat, why don't you ever send ME internet porn?   ;) ;D 8)

Seriously Pat... I didn't get any either.  ::)  :D

But that's a good thing... I probably would have assumed it was a stalker... and then it would have been the third strike and the end of me on posting up / post patterns.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 15, 2006, 06:02:29 PM

Relax, Pat.  I know it wasn't you, which is why I said someone assumed your identity.  If you explained to me how it happened I probably wouldn't understand it anyway.  Don't worry as I know it wasn't your fault. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 15, 2006, 06:26:32 PM
A little late but this article was in the Sherman Democrat on August 4th:

Gage adds assistants to AC football staff

Austin College has announced four new additions to new head coach Ronnie Gage's football coaching staff this fall.

Bill Pietrosky, Eddie Brister, Chris Johnson and Scott Dunavant will join returning defensive coordinator Loren Dawson in rounding out Gage's staff.

Pietrosky has been hired as the Kangaroos' offensive coordinator after filling that same role on Gage's coaching staff at Lewisville High School from 1986-95 and again from 1996-2002. Together, Pietrosky and Gage won two Texas Class 5A championships with Lewisville.

Brister will take over the role of special teams coordinator. Brister, a 1972 AC graduate and a member of the 'Roos' football team, served as head coach at Texas A&M-Commerce from 1998-2004.

Brister began his coaching career as an assistant at Howe in 1972, and also was Sherman's offensive coordinator for two seasons.

Johnson comes to AC from Kansas State, where he most recently worked as a defensive graduate assistant. Johnson was a standout defensive lineman for the Wildcats and spent time with the NFL's Chicago Bears and the Orlando Predators of the Arena Football League. Johnson will serve as defensive line coach for the 'Roos.

Dunavant, a 2006 North Texas graduate, joins the staff as wide receivers coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 15, 2006, 10:43:32 PM
I appreciate that, but since fewer than 8% of the posters were spammed, most don't know what you're talking about, and I have to keep the record straight.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 16, 2006, 02:13:56 PM
There does not seem to be a lot of news coming out of Jackson right now about the Majors.  I am not sure about how the freshmen class looks at this point, but here is a preview about 2006 I found on the school website:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/pressreleases/06fballpreview.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 16, 2006, 02:49:00 PM
(Also posted on ASC thread)

For all the fans and parents of ASC/SCAC players out there, here's a list of the games I'm planning to cover (photographically) for d3football.com this season:

09/09:     McMurry at Austin College

09/16:     Louisiana College at McMurry
              Linfield at Hardin-Simmons

09/30:     Austin College at Trinity

10/07:     Hardin-Simmons at Mary Hardin-Baylor

10/14:     Millsaps at Austin College

11/04:     Wisconsin-Whitewater at Mary Hardin-Baylor (tentative)

11/11:     McMurry at Hardin-Simmons

Due to the restructuring of the ASC schedule, Austin College's move to the SCAC, editorial needs for the site, my fall weekend work  commitments, and squeezing in some family time, I'm unfortunately going to miss shooting DePauw, Centre, Sewanee and Rhodes this season.  My apologies to all of the parents and fans of these teams--I can (unfortunately) only be in one place at a time.  I promise to try to get to your teams' games soon.

I do hope that fans and parents will check out the photo galleries after the game(s), and realize that purchasing prints from d3football.com goes a long way toward keeping this site up, running and free.

Please say "Hi" if you see me on the sidelines at one of these games, it would be nice to have faces to go with screen names. 

I can't wait for the season to open!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 18, 2006, 10:19:35 AM
Trinity tabbed as favorite for 14th SCAC Football title
http://www.scac-online.org/football/06footballpoof.htm (http://www.scac-online.org/football/06footballpoof.htm)

In other news, the SCAC Presidents voted on Wednesday to play an eight-game, single round-robin schedule beginning in 2007 when the league expands to nine football-playing members (Birmingham-Southern and Colorado College join the current seven).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2006, 10:49:13 AM
Thanks, SCACSID.  I'm glad to hear the conference will play a complete round-robin in '07 rather than some sort of split as some had discussed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 18, 2006, 10:56:37 AM
The round-robin does make more sense. With the odd numebr of teams meaning non-conference dates spread through the season, maybe it won't hurt Huntingdon's ability to schedule these nearby teams too much.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2006, 11:06:44 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on August 18, 2006, 10:56:37 AM
The round-robin does make more sense. With the odd number of teams meaning non-conference dates spread through the season, maybe it won't hurt Huntingdon's ability to schedule these nearby teams too much.

Hawks, you have the 9-member SCAC, the 9-member ASC which is kinda far, and the 8-team USAC.

With LaGrange also trying to get games, I can see a shake-up occurring. 

There are 2 non-conference dates for each of the SCAC and ASC teams.  There are 3 non-conference dates in the USAC.

I still think that the best option is for the GSAC to merge into the USAC, (after Shenandoah gets invited north to one of the MAC's and then CNU gets invited north into the Capital as well, but that is conjecture  ;) ).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on August 18, 2006, 03:46:46 PM
Does that mean in 2007 the SCAC could get more than one team into the post season?  I know it is a lot more complex than that, but will this increase our (the SCAC in general) chances?  Say if we have two teams with 8 plus wins.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 18, 2006, 04:07:23 PM
I'd think so.  It will still come down to one team getting a Pool C bid, which is contingent upon the second team's QOWI, among other things.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2006, 09:46:02 PM
Quote from: DPU92 on August 18, 2006, 03:46:46 PM
Does that mean in 2007 the SCAC could get more than one team into the post season?  I know it is a lot more complex than that, but will this increase our (the SCAC in general) chances?  Say if we have two teams with 8 plus wins.

I'll beg to differ with Josh on this one.  The two FB schools joining the SCAC over the next two years have pretty unexciting teams.  I think a quality in-region non-conference win this year would be more valuable than a "eh" conference win next season.  All having eight conference games does for you is guarantee one more in-region game.   

I am going to be very interested to see what Ronnie Gage does at AC.  That program should be on the rise with the staff he is assembling.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on August 21, 2006, 05:13:42 PM
Evidently, there doesn't appear to be much love lost between some of the DPU players and Coach Rogers.  Please see the link below for an article in the student newspaper (second article listed on the home page).

Based on the quotes in the article, it appears that the players are more than ready to move forward under Coach Walker.

http://www.thedepauw.com/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 21, 2006, 11:03:07 PM
LAZ index is up for 2006 season.  www.lazindex.com  Top 25 listed below:

RANK    SCHOOL    RATE    W    L    POWER       
   
1    Mount Union    0.924    0    0    92.39    
2    Linfield    0.900    0    0    90.04    
3    UW-Whitewater    0.870    0    0    87.01    
4    St John's MN    0.852    0    0    85.22    
5    UW-La Crosse    0.840    0    0    83.96    
6    Mary Hardin-Baylor    0.806    0    0    80.63    
7    UW-Eau Claire    0.789    0    0    78.93    
8    Capital    0.787    0    0    78.69    
9    UW-Stout    0.783    0    0    78.29    
10    Concordia-Moorhead    0.775    0    0    77.51    
11    UW-Stevens Point    0.771    0    0    77.15    
12    Augustana IL    0.755    0    0    75.53    
13    Wheaton    0.752    0    0    75.20    
14    Ohio Northern    0.746    0    0    74.60    
15    Hardin-Simmons    0.736    0    0    73.64    
16    UW-Oshkosh    0.735    0    0    73.50    
17    Bethel MN    0.731    0    0    73.12    
18    John Carroll    0.725    0    0    72.49    
19    Whitworth    0.712    0    0    71.16    
20    Baldwin-Wallace    0.711    0    0    71.10    
21    UW-River Falls    0.707    0    0    70.71    
22    Wartburg    0.704    0    0    70.39    
23    North Central    0.704    0    0    70.38    
24    Willamette    0.701    0    0    70.13    
25    Rowan    0.701    0    0    70.12

Other schools in ASC and SCAC:

29       Trinity       0.693   0   0   69.26
34        DePauw   0.676   0   0   67.58
49       Howard Payne   0.655   0   0   65.48
56       ETBU     0.636   0   0   63.61
89     Texas Lutheran   0.582   0   0   58.20
94      Rhodes     0.571   0   0   57.12
102    Centre     0.550   0   0   54.98
115     Louisiana College     0.535   0   0   53.5
120     McMurry     0.528   0   0   52.76
132     Sewanee     0.499   0   0   49.86
136     Miss. College     0.494   0   0   49.41
142     Sul Ross     0.487   0   0   46.88
150     Austin College     0.467   0   0   46.70
166     Millsaps     0.442   0   0   44.88
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 21, 2006, 11:15:56 PM
Ron,

As an Austin College fan and being new to the SCAC board, I appreciate the comments by you concerning Coach Gage and my Roos.  I agree with your comments about his new staff and that is the reason for my earlier post on that.  I know it is hard to compare against teams you have never seen or know much about but I have a feeling they may compete better in the SCAC than a lot of people think they will.  Only time will tell.   :-\

I do know that with all of his Texas high school coaching contacts he has a head start on future recruiting.  I do not know how many know this but he was the president elect for the Texas High School Coaches Association but was forced to give up his position on the Board of Directors when he took the AC job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2006, 10:02:18 AM
I agree, roocru.  They will win some conference games and perform better than the last-place that the coaches voted them to this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 22, 2006, 08:09:15 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: "new Regional Games")

Question: If Trinity vs. Redlands is now a "Regional Game", is Trinity vs. Huntingdon now a "non-Regional Game"? 

For the impact wizards, if so, what is the impact for the three teams?

                                                    ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on August 22, 2006, 08:57:22 PM
I can't believe that AC was picked last.  They gave TU a fight last season, and Sewanee and Millsaps are still terrible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 22, 2006, 10:21:09 PM
Quote from: etg on August 22, 2006, 08:09:15 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: "new Regional Games")

Question: If Trinity vs. Redlands is now a "Regional Game", is Trinity vs. Huntingdon now a "non-Regional Game"? 

For the impact wizards, if so, what is the impact for the three teams?

                                                    ???
Both are regional games. To quote the second paragraph of the Daily Dose article:
"As a reminder, this is in addition to every other existing definition of a regional game (200 miles shortest possible driving distance, teams within the same Division III football region, teams in the same conference but different regions)."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2006, 11:00:23 PM
AC's scrimmage with ETBU has been called off due to injuries suffered by the Roos so far in practice. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 23, 2006, 10:31:52 AM
That is a very definitive statement TTU 719, have you been to the practices at Sewanee and Millsaps to be able to make such a claim?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 23, 2006, 01:07:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on August 18, 2006, 09:46:02 PM
I'll beg to differ with Josh on this one.  The two FB schools joining the SCAC over the next two years have pretty unexciting teams.  I think a quality in-region non-conference win this year would be more valuable than a "eh" conference win next season.  All having eight conference games does for you is guarantee one more in-region game.   

I am going to be very interested to see what Ronnie Gage does at AC.  That program should be on the rise with the staff he is assembling.   

Don't get me wrong, Ron.  I think the SCAC is a one bid conference right now.  I was simply stating that to get a second team in, the runner up would have to have a pretty good QOWI score.

Sewanee and Centre have decent non-conference schedules.  However, I think the only team that can likely earn a Pool C bid from the SCAC this season is DePauw--they play only four home games, and if they can score two wins out of three games on the road against Centre/Trinity/Wabash, their QOWI score ought to be pretty decent.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 23, 2006, 01:12:41 PM
Despite the injuries and new faces in Sherman, I also think that .500 is a possibility for the 'Roos this season.

Kalamazoo, Rhodes, SWAG and Millsaps are all winnable games, IMO, for the 'Roos.  I also think the McMurry & Sewanee games could go either way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 23, 2006, 06:02:33 PM
Keith McMillan says TU will not make the playoffs, and that they will win the SCAC....  Which is it Keith?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 23, 2006, 08:15:02 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: new "administrative" Regions)


Hawks88,
Are there now two classifications of Regions; the "new administrative" Regions 1,2,3 and 4 and the "old" Regions of East, North, South and West? This must solve some problem; do you know what it is?

                                                         ???

Historymajor,
When Keith states that this years Trinity team is "an average team" or even "an average (for) Trinity team" it only proves that he has not followed the Tiger workouts this summer as I have (frankly, I would not expect him to have done so).
Maybe his comments would be more accurate if placed at some point after the 1st or 2nd week of the season (I expect that Keith will update his remarks as the season progresses)?

                                                          :)








Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 23, 2006, 09:31:02 PM
Quote from: etg on August 23, 2006, 08:15:02 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: new "administrative" Regions)


Hawks88,
Are there now two classifications of Regions; the "new administrative" Regions 1,2,3 and 4 and the "old" Regions of East, North, South and West? This must solve some problem; do you know what it is?

ETG and Hawks,

The NCAA allowed the Administrative Regions (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.358) to count as "in-region" as a creative way to allow the "NCAA-way" of doing things to increase the number of in-region games.  This is in response to those people who would like for all D3 opponents to count as "in-region" for determining playoffs.

Every school is assigned to an administrative region on one top level.  I haven't investigated the full implementation of the Administrative Regions on NCAA Policies.  Nevertheless, Texas is in Region 4.  All games against schools in Region 4 are in-region.

The second level for looking at Regions is at the level of the Evaluation Region.   Every (team) sport is assigned an Evaluation Region.  I know the ASC.  McMurry is in the South Evaluation Region for football, basketball, baseball, volleyball and Women's Soccer  McMurry is in the Central Region for Men's Soccer.  McMurry is in the West Region for baseball and Texas teams are in the West Region for Softball.  McMurry can play any team in the Evaluation Region to count as "in-Region".

The third level of "in-region" is at the level of the Conference.  DePauw is "in-Region" for the SCAC, regardless of the Evaluation Region to which they have been assigned.  This ruling really impacts the conferences such as the UAA, the SCAC, the ASC in some sports such as baseball and soccer, and the NEAC, among others.

Finally, the 200-mile radius rule was a commonsense adaptation to the arbitrary nature of the Evaluation Regions.  (You gotta draw a border to a region somewhere, and 200-miles was determined at the distance that was not excessive with respect to "missed class time".)  This really impacts the schools where Evaluation Regions come together, such as New York City where the East, Northeast and Atlantic Regions converge in several sports.  It also allows DePauw in the South Football Evaluation Region to play nearby "North Football Evaluation Schools" as in-Region.

The NCAA wants to encourage schools to keep their travel budgets under control and pay attention to time away from class.

I counted the impact of the Administrative Regions on McMurry Men's Basketball.

There are 14 Conference opponents.

There are another 37 South Basketball Evaluation Teams.

Of course, there are no qualifying teams for the 200-mile radius rule.  ;D

The "New Adminstrative Region Interpretation" adds 60 schools from the West and 29 schools Midwest Basketball Evaluation Regions as "in-region".

McMurry can schedule games with 140 D3 schools and count as In-region.  Trinity is roughly the same.  Huntingdon picks up all of those teams in the Great Lakes area (Michigan, Ohio, Indiana) as "in-Region".
I hope this helps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 23, 2006, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 23, 2006, 06:02:33 PM
Keith McMillan says TU will not make the playoffs, and that they will win the SCAC....  Which is it Keith?

History major, Chris Allman did the SCAC preview.  Chris is taking Ron Boerger's place as the "Around the Region" reporter for the ASC, the SCAC and Huntingdon.

http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/about.php

Please scroll to the bottom.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 24, 2006, 03:13:11 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 23, 2006, 10:07:03 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 23, 2006, 06:02:33 PM
Keith McMillan says TU will not make the playoffs, and that they will win the SCAC....  Which is it Keith?

History major, Chris Allman did the SCAC preview.  Chris is taking Ron Boerger's place as the "Around the Region" reporter for the ASC, the SCAC and Huntingdon.

http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/about.php

Please scroll to the bottom.

Ralph,,, this is what seems contradictory...

'05 Playoff teams who will miss the '06 field

Trinity (Texas): We've seen signs of a possible Tigers stumble since their 2002 Stagg Bowl run. They struggle with opponents a dominant team shouldn't struggle with — needing a late rally to beat Huntingdon 15-10 last season put the third-year independent on the map — and dodged a showdown with DePauw last season when the brutal hurricane season in the Southeast wiped out the SCAC clash. But with the other Tigers changing coaches again and losing a great quarterback, it may be a year to late for DePauw to assume the conference throne, which Trinity has held for 13 consecutive seasons. None of the Tigers' four non-conference games is an easy win (East Texas Baptist, Texas Lutheran, Redlands, Huntingdon), and unless DePauw is sharp, an average Trinity team is still good enough to take the SCAC's automatic bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2006, 03:17:22 PM
Couple of decent articles on Austin College and Ronnie Gage in today's Dallas Morning News (registration required).  That is more D3 football coverage in a single DMN issue than I can remember.

http://tinyurl.com/oopjf  (fixed URL)

Both articles and sidebars are at this one link.  There's a story on Gage and the challenges he faces at AC (only 61 players are on this year's team), a story on the move to the SCAC, and some detailed info about both Gage and AC. 

According to the article, former QB Zach Seifert is moving to TE.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2006, 03:26:17 PM
Yeah, he does leave some wiggle-room there, doesn't he!

Ohhh, the pre-season. :-\ :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 24, 2006, 08:59:59 PM
2006 SCAC Football Prospectus
http://www.scac-online.org/football/06footballprospectus.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/football/06footballprospectus.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on August 26, 2006, 12:20:04 AM
Quote from: historymajor on August 24, 2006, 03:13:11 PM
Trinity (Texas): We've seen signs of a possible Tigers stumble since their 2002 Stagg Bowl run. ...

The only "stumble" was the graduation of Urban, Hunt, Respondek, and Hampton.  Trinity used to be able to get athletes like that, but not any more it seems.  Academic standards have gone up, and while there are still some great athletes on this years team, they are a far cry from that '02 team.  I don't think Trinity will get back to that point, unless the admissions departments starts to help them out - which seems highly unlikely.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: moondog on August 26, 2006, 05:12:46 AM
doubters....... Every year there seems to be people who say that we can't "do it". And every year we do. (I can say we because I played at Trinity). Granted admissions have gotten tougher,but  Tigers get it done. I went to some games last year, and we have some players holding down the "old school" traditions. Play hard, balls out, "No Mercy No Limit". This year will be TUF,I think this years key  will be  leadership from both seniors and a coaching staff.  Black Flag carries the load this year.  Lots of shutouts,  black flag gets it done this year from guys like Allan.(Kid is an animal... Saw him a couple of times, most impressive in a loss against MHB) TUF gets it done AND goes deep into the playoffs.... 13 years = TRADITION. F*ck all, watch 'em fall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 26, 2006, 06:53:28 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Comments on "Moondog")

Moondog,

Right-on! Watch the "Black Flag", and on offense watch the new RB Greg Bielski (JR transfer from Iona, a D-I AA Mid-Major in New York State--played his high school football in Corpus Christi). Both are "for real"!

                                                        ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2006, 08:17:22 PM
I-AA mid-major means I-AA non-scholarship, means basically a D-III football player at a school that has D-I basketball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on August 27, 2006, 05:39:13 PM
Did anyone see yesterday's scrimmage between TU & Harden Simmons?  If so, how did the Tigers look?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dballa on August 27, 2006, 06:03:11 PM
Actually TU scrimmaged HPU on Saturday.  TU's offense looked pretty good.  HPU's defense has some holes to fill from last years team.

TU's defense really didn't impress me all that much.  Or it could have been HPU's offense just played really well.

TU's kicking game needs a lot of work.  I don't think the starting kicker made very many during the scheduled practice, nor did he make an easy one during the 15 min live game situation.

I think one thing effecting both teams was the heat.  It had to be well over 100 on the field and after an hour and a half of drills in that heat, it seemed like a lot of them were drained when they got to the 15 min period.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on August 27, 2006, 09:00:56 PM
Thanks dballa for the update.  I have a son on the team and we live out of state, so we don't get to many games and getting info from him is like getting blood out of a rock.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2006, 09:08:44 PM
Trinity season preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.main.3078fed.html) and at a glance (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.capsule.3078f91.html) from the San Antonio Express-News.

Interesting SCAC prediction from the crack E-N staff:
1. Trinity
2. DePauw
3. Centre
4. Austin College
5. Sewanee
6. Rose-Hulman  <--- Ooopsie !!!
7. Millsaps
8. Rhodes
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 27, 2006, 09:19:31 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on August 27, 2006, 09:08:44 PM
Trinity season preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.main.3078fed.html) and at a glance (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.capsule.3078f91.html) from the San Antonio Express-News.

Interesting SCAC prediction from the crack E-N staff:
1. Trinity
2. DePauw
3. Centre
4. Austin College
5. Sewanee
6. Rose-Hulman  <--- Ooopsie !!!
7. Millsaps
8. Rhodes


At least the carrier-pigeon from Sherman arrived. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 27, 2006, 09:24:22 PM
I am going to the AC vs. TLU game this coming Saturday.  Anyone else making the trip?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2006, 10:17:56 PM
I'd probably have gone if the game was in Sherman. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on August 27, 2006, 10:52:31 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on August 27, 2006, 09:08:44 PM
Trinity season preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.main.3078fed.html) and at a glance (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082706.12Y.FBCtrinity.capsule.3078f91.html) from the San Antonio Express-News.

Interesting SCAC prediction from the crack E-N staff:
1. Trinity
2. DePauw
3. Centre
4. Austin College
5. Sewanee
6. Rose-Hulman  <--- Ooopsie !!!
7. Millsaps
8. Rhodes


Yeah, saw that today (enjoying the last few days of vacation in SA) and also couldn't help but wonder if they were unable to find a better picture to use above the article... I mean, every QB loves his linemen, but geez.  Also noticed the absence of Tyler Flynn from the "Best Players" list.  All in all, not the E-N's finest effort.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on August 28, 2006, 12:24:48 AM
Ron, What do you see as the strengths of this year's Trinity offense?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2006, 08:48:01 AM
Sorry, TigerPop.   I really don't know enough about what is going on in SA this year to answer that question.  I think the running game can be a strength, but only if the inexperienced OL comes together.  I am hoping for a bit more consistency and verticality from the passing game, that depends not only on the OL but the QB situation ironing itself out (Coach Mohr said in the E-N article that the starting role was still up for grabs) so the the starter and the WRs can get on the same page. 

The week 1 game against ETBU should act as a decent measuring stick for the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 28, 2006, 10:46:18 AM

Re: Predicted order of finish

Seeing DePauw and Trinity atop the SCAC predictions reminds me of something that Jim Rome once said about D-1 Women's Basketball:  "UConn and Tennessee look to be the favorites to win the national championship this year.  Look for this to happen for the next twenty years." 

To the SCAC also-rans, I'm glad you came along for the ride.  However, if you're in the bottom 3/4, I think it's a long way into that top fouth.

To the DPU faithful I offer the same condolences.  I'm afraid for you that it is an even longer way into the top spot.  Even should the Tigers lose a battle, we will always win the war. 

Moondog, how's married life?  Try to make it out to Jackson with your siblings for homecoming this year.  That's the only one I'll be able to make.  I'm sure we'll play smart enough this year to wrap up another playoff spot that day. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 28, 2006, 11:07:48 AM
ASC Pick'em Contest is up on the Pick' em Boards.  We invite you SCAC fans to join us.  We will have at least one SCAC contest each week.

ASC 2006 Pick'em Contest Rules (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3600.471)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 28, 2006, 03:06:32 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Iona, I-AA Mid-Major)

Pat,
You are correct about the class of football at Iona; two of their ten games are vs. D3 teams (Montclair State and Western Conn.) with only Columbia and Duquesne as strong hurdles. Still the average quality of football player in the Metro Atlantic Athletic Conference (MAAC), although certainly not equal to their basketball squads, is IMHO probably slightly above the average for D3.

Regarding RB Greg Bielski, Trinity is glad to now have him; the Tigers tried to recruit him out of Carroll High School (Corpus Christi) two years ago. His SO stats with very limited playing time at Iona in 2005 were Rushing--197 yds., Rec.--35 yds., Kickoff Ret.--21 yds. for 253 Total All-Purpose yds.

                                                        :) 


 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on August 28, 2006, 06:15:50 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 28, 2006, 10:46:18 AM
...

To the SCAC also-rans, I'm glad you came along for the ride.  However, if you're in the bottom 3/4, I think it's a long way into that top fouth.

To the DPU faithful I offer the same condolences.  I'm afraid for you that it is an even longer way into the top spot.  Even should the Tigers lose a battle, we will always win the war. 
...

Come on...tell us how you really feel.  I'll admit it: TU has been dominant, but is losing steam by the season.  Sure, DePauw faces challenges of its own, but it seems pretty cocky to make a comment like this when your own program is hardly secure in its own identity for the season...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on August 29, 2006, 10:50:29 AM
Trash talk is a means of containment.  The group percieved to be in power seeks to put the "other" in the place they want them to be.  This is because they are insecure with their own position.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 29, 2006, 11:48:51 AM
Has Depauw had a scrimmage? Is there one scheduled? I see nothing indicating this on the website.

Does anyone have any insight on how the team is looking? Inquiring minds want to know...  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 29, 2006, 12:20:51 PM
For those interested, the Millsaps / Miss. College game will be broadcast on the local ESPN affiliate in Jackson on Saturday.  The kickoff is scheduled for 7 pm and it is the first time in over 40 years the game will be played at one of the school's home stadiums (Millsaps).  Here is a link to ESPN 1240's website:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/default.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on August 29, 2006, 01:00:38 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on August 29, 2006, 11:48:51 AM
Has Depauw had a scrimmage? Is there one scheduled? I see nothing indicating this on the website.

Does anyone have any insight on how the team is looking? Inquiring minds want to know...  ???

i was told they split a doubleheader last Saturday...1st game 7 to 5, 2nd game 4 to 8...oops sorry wrong sport  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on August 29, 2006, 02:02:04 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on August 29, 2006, 11:48:51 AM
Has Depauw had a scrimmage? Is there one scheduled? I see nothing indicating this on the website.

Does anyone have any insight on how the team is looking? Inquiring minds want to know...  ???

What better way to get back posting on the D3 boards than to answer this question - I was at their scrimmage this past Saturday against Franklin.

At quarterback, it looks like Abe Winkle is going to be the guy to replace Wiethoff... he drove the first team down the field for a TD on his only drive of the day. Robbie McLaughlin and the freshman Spud Dick impressed, but at this point I'd say it's Winkle's job to lose. The reconstructed O-line looked impressive too, though they're going to look good as long as they give Tiger running backs even the slightest hole to run through.

I thought the defense looked a little suspect against the pass but their pressure in the backfield was excellent... and that was without Dustin Hertel, who sat out the scrimmage. I don't know much about Franklin's running game and how good it's supposed to be but I do know they couldn't run at all against DePauw. Their front four is very good and with Hertel I'd say you could call it 'great'.

Lots of reasons for the defending SCAC Champs to be optimistic heading into the opener against Anderson next Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 29, 2006, 03:10:34 PM
thanks for the report, DPULefty22.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2006, 03:20:35 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on August 29, 2006, 02:02:04 PM
Lots of reasons for the defending SCAC co-champs to be optimistic heading into the opener against Anderson next Saturday.

Good report, DPULefty22, but I made one minor correction.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2006, 06:25:56 PM
Interesting tidbit:  the Trinity two-deep provided by ETBU sports information has Blake Barmore listed as the starter at QB on Saturday.  The other surprise is Jonathan Plotnick listed as a backup at WR position.  Chris Baer will start at RB; the four starting WRs, all familiar names, are seniors Zach Byars, William Kuhlman, Justin Thompson, and Anthony Hicks. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 29, 2006, 06:31:02 PM
Spud Dick is now my favorite DIII player.   What a name!  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 29, 2006, 06:56:40 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on August 29, 2006, 06:31:02 PM
Spud Dick is now my favorite DIII player.   What a name!  8)

I don't expect Spud to be shown much mercy when the Dannies come to town in November.

I do expect DePauw to be strong defensively - Hertel is a stud, period.  Offensively, whoever is at QB will need to keep opposing defenses honest and keep from completely keying on Marks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 29, 2006, 09:04:40 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on August 29, 2006, 06:56:40 PMI do expect DePauw to be strong defensively - Hertel is a stud, period.

Sustained.

If they shut down Franklin like DPULefty22 says they did, without Hertel playing, they're gonna be tough again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on August 29, 2006, 09:18:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on August 29, 2006, 03:20:35 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on August 29, 2006, 02:02:04 PM
Lots of reasons for the defending SCAC co-champs to be optimistic heading into the opener against Anderson next Saturday.

Good report, DPULefty22, but I made one minor correction.   ;D

Yeah, that was kind of an accidentally-on-purpose way to try and tweak the Texas Tigers a little bit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on August 29, 2006, 10:00:08 PM
DPULefty---
You give a pretty good overview of DePauw-Franklin scrimmage... I would add another player to watch...WR #7 Mulligan (freshman)...very nice receiver...runs great routes and has super hands...I can see the Spud Dick to Mulligan combination racking up some serious yardage over the next 4 years. I like DPU's young skill players...also, Winkle did a nice job Saturday...and pass defense did look suspect...but some of that was Franklin QB's...liked the way they threw the ball...WR Kevin Lynch (son of Billy) made some nice catches, including a TD...all in all a fun day...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on August 30, 2006, 10:44:45 PM
.
QuoteInteresting tidbit:  the Trinity two-deep provided by ETBU sports information has Blake Barmore listed as the starter at QB on Saturday.  The other surprise is Jonathan Plotnick listed as a backup at WR position.

With respect to JP, Jon is actually a running back / fullback, one of those rare birds at TU, although they use his particular position in passing formations.  I think the plan is to platoon both of them at the H-back position and also use the two of them in 2 back formations.  Of course, all of this could change, based on the effectiveness of rhe line play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2006, 09:41:03 AM
SA Express-News confirms (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA083106.05C.LOCreport.3337bca.html) that Coach Mohr has named Blake Barmore as the starting QB against ETBU.

BTW, I rag on the E-N guys a lot, so it's interesting to note that today's Dallas Morning-News ran no fewer than three separate college football preview sections today ... none of which provided any coverage of the Texas ASC schools, Austin College, or Trinity.   Only D-IA schools were deemed worthy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 31, 2006, 10:31:00 AM
Looking forward to seeing how Trinity begins the 2006 season ... I think we will be pleased at the strength of both the defense and offense.

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Parking at Trinity University Parking Garage .... $0.
Tickets to Trinity Tigers Football Game .......... $0.
Watching Division III College Football ... priceless.



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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 31, 2006, 11:01:28 AM
The Trinity Athletic Department preview of this Saturday's Trinity vs. ETBU game appeared on the TU website today here:

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/ETBUpreview.htm (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/ETBUpreview.htm)

The ETBU SID wrote a very comprehensive preview of the "Battle of the Texas D-III Tigers" also, but it is not available online.  Perhaps it will be posted later ...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 31, 2006, 12:57:33 PM
Quote from: gil68 on August 29, 2006, 10:50:29 AM
Trash talk is a means of containment.  The group percieved to be in power seeks to put the "other" in the place they want them to be.  This is because they are insecure with their own position.

My inscurity what makes it so much fun. 

I think that people who make over elaborate psychological assessments about football are trying to find a flaw in those of whom they are jealous.   

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 31, 2006, 02:44:08 PM
Here is a link to the preview of the upcoming "Backyard Brawl" in the Jackson Clarion-Ledger:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060831/SPORTS030105/608310357/1085/SPORTS

The article focuses more on the coaches than the actual game and players, typical coverage for the Jackson newspaper who knows nothing of the three smaller colleges in its hometown.  One interesting and disturbing note is that Millsaps' two best linebackers from last season are possibly out due to injuries.  You have to read toward the bottom of the article to find this information.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 31, 2006, 02:46:44 PM
Quote from: gil68 on August 29, 2006, 10:50:29 AM
Trash talk is a means of containment.  The group percieved to be in power seeks to put the "other" in the place they want them to be.  This is because they are insecure with their own position.

In my neck of the woods, trash talk is a means of group entertainment often used to identify a sensitive spot ... then we jab it again to see what happens.  Only the insecure complain.  And only the oafs carry it too far.  So far, I'm reading only good-natured ribbing. 

Can you feel the love, yet?   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 31, 2006, 03:05:06 PM
I guess that I am just too "old school" for trash-talking.

In my world, those who can, do.
Those who can't, (trash) talk.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on August 31, 2006, 04:28:49 PM
I wouldn't say trash talk comes from insecurity in this case, inasmuch as there's really no question as to who the dominant program has been.  What we are finding to be in question, though, is that of who the dominant program IS today.  I think it's really anyone's guess, as both Trinity and DePauw have talented teams and holes to fill.  While it doesn't help DePauw to begin this campaign with it fourth h.c. in as many years, I would wager they have the right guy now.  Walker is a stud, and a homegrown one at that.  He's a guy who understands his players, treats them with respect and sees great results.  While the Tigers are not an air it out team now, they were for years, and his receiving corps have been phenomenal (Jamarcus Shepard, Dan Ryan, John Stephens, Joe Schoen, etc...).  Today, the game is different, and he has a very talented ball carrier in Marks.  The quarterback should have time to grow into his role by virtue of the fact that these guys do like to run the ball, and do so well.

Though I'm light years from my own time at DePauw (or at least it feels that way), I'm thrilled with the progress of the program and hope to see a game or two this year.  Any alums out there want to make an all nighter out of the Trinity game in SA, it's a short flight and I'll be there!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 01, 2006, 01:16:08 AM
I'm off to Mississippi for the Backyard Brawl.   I have very little to report about Millsaps.  I believe they will be better offensively.  Juan Joseph will be a threat at quarterback.  The Majors have a few good receivers, and with a wide open attack that they have advertised this pre-season, the running game may be effective (at least early on) with the dangerous Tyson Roy. 

My concern is the defense.  The Majors were very young and very bad last year.  Word has it that a Mike Dubose system takes a year to learn.  We shall see whether that is the case.  Dubose has his troops preparing for conference play.  Don't be surprised to see Millsaps start slowly out of the gate only to improve as the season plays out. 

The Choctaws have improved, but Millsaps knows more about Miss. College than the Choctaws know about the Majors.  A new coaching staff for Millsaps with new schemes and key players with a year under their belts will win the day on Saturday. 

I'll go with the home team --  Millsaps 28  Miss. College 24
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2006, 10:18:37 AM
Thanks, consultant.  I'm glad the "real" Backyard Brawl is back this year.

Here's to a good game for both sides!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2006, 11:01:10 AM
I set up an SCAC Pick'ems (in the Pick'em zone), so make your picks for tomorrow's games!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 01, 2006, 12:01:23 PM
dpuinaz:
All trashing aside, we hope you (and others) will make the trek safely to San Antonio on Sept 23.  If you do, be sure to stop over on the home side (the only concession stand, I'm afraid) during halftime.  Maybe we can introduce ourselves in person ... I might try to make the trip to Indiana next year myself.  Here's wishing DPU the best of luck this season (except against TU, of course.)  May your players stay healthy and your coach have much success in his first year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 01, 2006, 01:00:58 PM
Thanks, Tdad - good luck to your guys, too.  Is your son on the team?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 01, 2006, 08:33:38 PM
Wabashcpa... I'm in!!! 

Are you going to tally weekly or are we just trying to make our best (homer) guesses?

I know from personal experience that CPA's love building and maintaining (and showing off) their spreadsheets!!!  Ha!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 02, 2006, 12:00:53 PM
I'll keep a tally - as of noon Saturday there are a whopping seven entries, so I doubt a spreadsheet will be necessary. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2006, 05:18:47 PM
Centre beat Bluffton, 21-6.
Sewanee upset (IMO) Hampden-Sydney, 42-35.
Texas Lutheran pounded Austin College, 45-0.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on September 02, 2006, 09:33:31 PM
Trinity beats ETBU 41-0: payback, just 3 years too late. Sounded like a great day for the passing game, not so much for the ground game, but if I'm not mistaken there's a lot of fresh blood on that O-line - they'll get it together.

Swinny, I knew that voice sounded familiar - not a bad job; is that all you're doing these days or do you do some honest work, too?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 03, 2006, 01:11:41 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 02, 2006, 05:18:47 PM
Sewanee upset (IMO) Hampden-Sydney, 42-35.

WOW!  Not just your opinion, Ron. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 03, 2006, 01:58:11 PM
Trinity looked good, but ETBU looked very flat.  They had no fire, looked as if they were at a scrimmage.  Did they go to the riverwalk Friday night?  That has been the downfall of many a team traveling to S.A. 

I think the Trinity offense has a long way to go, but the defense looked great.  ETBU had great speed, and TU kept up with them.  The TU O-line looked inexperienced, as they are, but played above what I expected.  That unit should come along nicely.  A good win for TU but next week should be a true test of this year's team.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 03, 2006, 03:23:54 PM
I was at the AC/TLU game on Saturday and wanted to post my observations.  I will talk about Austin College here and put my thoughts about TLU on the ASC board.

First, it is obvious that AC still does not have the skill people to play with the upper level teams in the ASC.  AC was forced to play zone pass coverage because they could not cover TLU man to man and the talented receivers still were able to hit the seams in the zone before the AC secondary could get there.  The LB's played pretty well and I was very excited about the play of their three down linemen, especially the senior nose guard #97.  The only real running plays to hurt AC were cutbacks and draw plays where the more talented TLU running  backs get into space against an AC defender.  More traditional straight ahead runs were basically shut down and there was a pretty decent 3 man rush on most passing attempts.

On offense think about installing a whole new offensive scheme in only the time allotted by DIII mandates.  There were numerous mistakes in blocking assignments on the triple option which often left them with all options covered.  There were also a lot of penalties, especially illegal procedure that Coach Gage will see are worked out.  They were however surprisingly effective in running the ball against TLU with an inside power sweep and some other more basic plays.  I really feel that their offense will get a lot better as the bugs are worked out of the triple option.  The real benefit was in ball control as the defense did not stay on the field as much as last year. The QB's must work however on avoiding interceptions.

Overall I was impressed with the tenacity of the team and noticed that both teams appeared in good shape as there was no cramping by any of the players even with a noon start in the hot sun.

I still think AC will do alright in the SCAC if yesterdays scores were any indication.  Millsaps was beaten soundly by Mississippi College which has had little success in the ASC and Centre beat a 3-7 team last year by two TD's.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 03, 2006, 09:37:57 PM

Trinity with an inexperienced offensive line rings 41 points in their first game.  That's pretty good, I think.  You know they're going to get themselves together or at least get better by late in the season.  Better than 41-0 is probably going to be very good. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on September 04, 2006, 09:59:46 AM
In regard to the inexperienced O-Line, the starting unit allowed only one sack in over 31 passing plays, and that was with an All-American at defensive end for ETBU.  On many of the passing plays, Barmore had time to pick out secondary receivers.  With regard to rushing offense, I agree that it was a bit spotty, but these kids are smart and well coached.  They'll be okay.  The real issue, in my opinion, is staying healthy.  ETBU was very tough and physical and there were some kids that got banged up.  If most of them recover for next week, they'll give TLU all they can handle.

The TU defense played a tough, experienced ETBU offense to a "goose egg," so they really played up to expectations.  In short, I was impressed with TU play on both sides of the ball.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 04, 2006, 11:17:06 AM
I enjoy this message board for one major reason, if we post something it stays posted not deleted (unlike other other "scoop" boards.  I think, rather I hope a few administrators from the wonderful University in greencastle read this.   I thinki it is very sad what a few people have done to a wonderful school.  I find it ridiculous that more Alums haven't spoken up over the FIRING of Tim Rogers.  Yes, FIRED, he didn't resign.  As sooon as the players and alums find that out, a few people will have some explaining to do.  As most of us know, Walker is a decent guy, granted over his head, but a good guy who I hope isn't being used as a pawn.  Other than that, I wish HIM good luck.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 04, 2006, 12:37:02 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 04, 2006, 11:17:06 AMI find it ridiculous that more Alums haven't spoken up over the FIRING of Tim Rogers.  Yes, FIRED, he didn't resign.

Have anything else on that?  That's a little... odd... to throw that out there and not have a little support for it.


I've heard several times that there were some disagreements about some sensitive issues regarding hirings, but to the best of my knowledge, he wasn't forced out.

I also wasn't aware that Coach Walk was in over his head.  That's news to me, too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 04, 2006, 04:10:46 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 04, 2006, 11:17:06 AMI find it ridiculous that more Alums haven't spoken up over the FIRING of Tim Rogers.  Yes, FIRED, he didn't resign. 

in the words of an old song..."no one knows what goes on behind closed doors"  :-X it seemed like from the beginning, it wasn't going to be a good fit...it will be interesting to see how the baseball/football situation plays out...a good guy  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2006, 04:23:04 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 04, 2006, 11:17:06 AM
I find it ridiculous that more Alums haven't spoken up ...

I find it ridiculous that an allegation like this comes from someone who's never posted here before.  Given the number of DPU alumni who post here regularly, I'll take this seriously should one of them confirm it.  AFAIK you're a troll from another school who just wants to make DPU look bad. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on September 04, 2006, 04:30:00 PM
I am a DPU Alum and cannot confirm what was posted.  However, I do know who this poster is and can confirm that he is "in the know" much more than I am or anyone else on here regarding the Rogers situation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 04, 2006, 06:36:53 PM
Quote from: benbraddock on September 04, 2006, 04:30:00 PM
I am a DPU Alum and cannot confirm what was posted.  However, I do know who this poster is and can confirm that he is "in the know" much more than I am or anyone else on here regarding the Rogers situation.

Oh good. I was afraid it was a Wabash poster trolling.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 05, 2006, 02:56:22 PM
Looks like some good games this week:

Anderson @ DePauw - DePauw breaks in a new QB; could be a low scoring affair
Sewanee @ Huntingdon - can Sewanee make it two in a row?
Trinity @ Texas Lutheran - close score last year - will home field be the difference?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 05, 2006, 07:50:38 PM
I am not sure why so many people can believe that a man would resign from a great job.  If you actually think that, you are very much removed from the "New Depauw."  If you doubt that Rogers resigned, call him, he's in the phone book in Greencastle, and he would gladly take your call.  I want it clear that I wish Walker the best, he's a very decent person with a great family.  However, I would love to know how the "e-mail" got off of Roger's computer and on to the ***'* computer.  That would be great knowledge, and if you doubt that, ask to see the email in question, and check out who it was sent from.  Just so you know, be back with more tidbits later.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 05, 2006, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 05, 2006, 07:50:38 PM
I am not sure why so many people can believe that a man would resign from a great job.  If you actually think that, you are very much removed from the "New Depauw."  If you doubt that Rogers resigned, call him, he's in the phone book in Greencastle, and he would gladly take your call.  I want it clear that I wish Walker the best, he's a very decent person with a great family.  However, I would love to know how the "e-mail" got off of Roger's computer and on to the ***'* computer.  That would be great knowledge, and if you doubt that, ask to see the email in question, and check out who it was sent from.  Just so you know, be back with more tidbits later.

it reminds me of a scene from The Godfather...Kay speaking..."Michael why did the band leader change his mind"...Michael Corleone speaking..."My father and Luka Brazzi went to see him"...Michael Corleone speaking..."Luka held a gun at his head and my father said either your signature or your brains will be on this contract"...Kay speaking..."Oh Michael"...Michael Corleone speaking..."That's my family Kay, that's not me"...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 05, 2006, 09:26:34 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 05, 2006, 07:50:38 PMJust so you know, be back with more tidbits later.

Even Deep Throat came out of hiding, eventually. Either fill in the gaps and quit playing with everyone, or go away.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cope on September 05, 2006, 09:43:31 PM
Well men,
  DePauw ran a snake scheme on Coach Rogers.  They fired the guy,
way to thank old coach for getting a conference championship!  Ole
DePauw constantly screwed this guy from the beginning.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 05, 2006, 09:55:13 PM
Quote from: cope on September 05, 2006, 09:43:31 PM
Well men,
  DePauw ran a snake scheme on Coach Rogers.  They fired the guy,
way to thank old coach for getting a conference championship!  Ole
DePauw constantly screwed this guy from the beginning.

"Father forgive them, they know not what they do."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2006, 09:59:01 PM
Quote from: cope on September 05, 2006, 09:43:31 PM
Well men,
  DePauw ran a snake scheme on Coach Rogers.  They fired the guy,
way to thank old coach for getting a conference championship!  Ole
DePauw constantly screwed this guy from the beginning.

Well, Coach Nystrom (http://www.gobison.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=11843&SPID=695&DB_OEM_ID=2400&ATCLID=264332&Q_SEASON=2006), as you were one of Coach Rogers' assistants, it's good to see you were able to pick up a position at NDSU.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: diehardfan on September 05, 2006, 10:02:27 PM
Not to change the subject or anything but....

RET Zack Sloan, Fr., Centre
Sloan returned a punt 73 yards for a touchdown in his first collegiate game.


talk about making a good first impression...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cope on September 06, 2006, 12:45:08 PM
That is why it was time to leave.  Could not trust the situation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 06, 2006, 01:49:55 PM
I'm curious how my main man, Spud Dick, did this weekend.  Any reports?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 01:55:42 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 06, 2006, 01:49:55 PM
I'm curious how my main man, Spud Dick, did this weekend.  Any reports?

Depauw was off last week...i believe they had an inhouse scrimmage but not sure...you see, I don't know Dick...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 06, 2006, 01:59:53 PM
Good one, Scotty.  Gotta boost your karma for that great zinger!

I forgot that DePauw was off--too much going on today and I didn't check before I posted.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 02:28:03 PM
in all seriousness, the kid is a player...wouldn't be surprised to see him move ahead of "Honest Abe" Winkler as the season progresses...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 06, 2006, 02:33:48 PM
Why'd you have to go and do that?!?!?!?!?

Now, I'm torn!!!!!!!    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 06, 2006, 02:37:32 PM
With a name like Spud Dick, you had BETTER be a good player!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 06, 2006, 02:41:47 PM
Spud Dick was very, very close to going to Wabash...he would have been another in the long line of Dicks who have attended...stop me before i hurt myself  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 06, 2006, 02:48:27 PM
Hey Gaby,  did you play ball a Wabash from 89-92, so did I.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 06, 2006, 03:03:18 PM
You got me. 

I wondered from your profile if you were the man behind the catcher's gear.  What are you up to these days?

Something about the whole Rogers situation didn't pass the smell test, that's for sure. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 06, 2006, 04:53:32 PM
Hey Gaby # 5 (I think), email me, hit the icon and you'll have one of my email accounts, would enjoy catching up.

#9
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 06, 2006, 11:11:02 PM
historymajor,

We can't make this stuff up.

His dad (Gerry Dick) is a TV personality in Indianapolis - hosts Inside Indiana Business on Ch. 13.

I doubt Spud will be hurting for job opportunities when he graduates.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 06, 2006, 11:15:11 PM
Tell me, at least, that "Spud" is not on his birth certificate. Please tell me this is a nickname.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 07, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on September 06, 2006, 11:15:11 PM
Tell me, at least, that "Spud" is not on his birth certificate. Please tell me this is a nickname.

his real name is Clarence but his parents didn't want him to be teased growing up...nice family...parents, Gerry and Wanda along with 2 younger sisters, Anita and Ima...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 07, 2006, 10:26:14 AM
Quote from: scotty on September 07, 2006, 09:41:00 AM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on September 06, 2006, 11:15:11 PM
Tell me, at least, that "Spud" is not on his birth certificate. Please tell me this is a nickname.

his real name is Clarence but his parents didn't want him to be teased growing up...nice family...parents, Gerry and Wanda along with 2 younger sisters, Anita and Ima...

Stop it! :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on September 07, 2006, 08:37:11 PM
It's interesting to me that the Wabash guys are so excited, almost giddy, to talk about Dick. Oh, that's right....I forgot.... ;D ;D   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on September 07, 2006, 08:46:23 PM
ZING...


I also find this funny.    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 07, 2006, 08:56:15 PM
after what has transpired at DePauw, the term "dick or dicked" should have a new meaning...for example, Rogers "dicked" recruits, DePauw "dicked" Rogers...and everybody got "dicked"...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on September 07, 2006, 09:04:00 PM
after what has transpired at DePauw, the term "dick or dicked" should have a new meaning...for example, Rogers "dicked" recruits, DePauw "dicked" Rogers...and everybody got "dicked"...


CASE CLOSED!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 08, 2006, 10:00:38 AM
Shameless plug for the weekend:   I hope that Austin College fans are planning to come out in full force this weekend for the McM-AC game.  While you're at the game, do please stop by and say "hi", as I'll be on the field shooting pictures of the game.

Also, don't forget to check out images from the contest under the "Photo Galleries" link on the front page of this site.  Parents and players, remember that any purchases of photos from the games you choose to make help to support the ongoing operation of d3football.com!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 08, 2006, 10:01:16 AM
just got a call from Spud's grandmother, Ophelia...seemed like a nice elderly lady...she just asked why are we bringing up Clarence so much...she also never realized that there were so many Dicks on this website   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 08, 2006, 03:54:57 PM

Wow.  The references to Mr. Dick seem to get increasingly funny with each post. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 08, 2006, 05:24:14 PM
You can't stop Scotty...you can only hope to contain him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldACguy on September 08, 2006, 06:51:46 PM
what happened to him?  did he get fired or take another job...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on September 08, 2006, 07:27:03 PM
People, it's supposed to be about football.... What do you folks out there think about the Trinity / TLU match-up?  It sounds like there was some big time performances around the SCAC last week.  Is there anyone out there that could threaten Trinity's dominance? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 08, 2006, 08:01:54 PM
Quote from: oldACguy on September 08, 2006, 06:51:46 PM
what happened to him?  did he get fired or take another job...

Coach Rogers or scotty...1 got "released" and 1 should be "contained"...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2006, 10:27:22 PM
Enough Dick jokes, people.    ::)

Quote from: oldACguy on September 08, 2006, 06:51:46 PM
what happened to him?  did he get fired or take another job...

The school announced last November (http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=499&ItemID=3483) that Norman was stepping down to take on a new role, to wit:

Effective Jan. 1, 2006, Norman will become Assistant Director of Athletics and Department Chair for Exercise and Sports Science.   Norman’s new role will encompass both fund- and friend-raising responsibilities that are needed for the College’s impending transition into the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC) in the 2006-2007 season.

He is currently listed in the campus directory at that position.  Personally, I think it's a shame that after years of trying to compete against ASC schools that Norman wasn't given the chance to compete on a level field.  Perhaps he was just ready to move onto new challenges at this point. 

I'm going up to Sherman tomorrow (what the hey, it's only a half hour away) to see what Coach Gage can do with his squad after the debacle in Seguin.  McM lost to a Menlo team that had a huge losing streak going so it actually should be a competetive contest. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2006, 10:37:44 PM
Quote from: Tigerpop on September 08, 2006, 07:27:03 PM
People, it's supposed to be about football.... What do you folks out there think about the Trinity / TLU match-up?  It sounds like there was some big time performances around the SCAC last week.  Is there anyone out there that could threaten Trinity's dominance? 

Two teams that played very well at home on both offense and defense.  I think Trinity's opponent was a little more of a challenge than TLU's;  additionally the fact that AC didn't get to scrimmage anyone this year did hurt.  Same could be said about ETBU, tho, as those two teams were supposed to scrimmage.   At the same time it is the first time in some while that TLU will face Trinity as their second game rather than as their season opener.  (TLU QB) Vivyal is going to pressure the secondary much more than the ETBU QBs last week.   I think TU will win, but it won't be easy.  It seemingly never is against TLU these days. 

Can anyone challenge?  Let's wait a week or two.  I want to see how DPU looks tomorrow, and Sewanee impressed with their win last weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 09, 2006, 05:04:06 PM
Some first impressions from DePauw's opener, a 25-13 win over Anderson that was closer than the score would indicate:

-Jeremiah Marks is really good. 200 yards on 32 carries, despite the fact that Anderson KNEW he was going to be getting the ball on pretty much every single play.

-The Tigers QB situation still isn't solved. Abe Winkle wasn't bad, but he sure wasn't good, either. Teams aren't going to respect the passing game unless he can make better decisions in the pocket. Of his 11 incompletions, about 4 of them were into double coverage, and 3 of them just weren't very good throws. They brought in the backup, Gary Ehlebracht, for a series, and it was ugly - he got sacked on the first play. Winkle's clearly the better of those two, though after today I'm willing to bet we see Spud Dick at some point this season.

-DePauw's D-line is as good as it gets. They were getting in the backfield on every single play. Teams are going to try and double team Dustin Hertel? Fine, that leaves a weak-side tackle on Luis Davila, and after today I can safely say that's a bad idea. Michael McNelis had 4 TFL in the interior. The linebackers, particularly Eric Lewis, were all over the field as well.

Overall, not a great offensive performance save Marks, who was phenomenal. Defensively, this unit is just as good, if not better, than last year's crew. I'm already ready to say that when this team goes down to San Antonio, expect scores in the low teens.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2006, 05:56:30 PM
Austin College lost to McMurry 23-0 today, but the score easily could have been much tighter than that.  AC had two first and goals which resulted in zero points.  At the end of the first half, a plunge into the line with 0:15 remaining was short, AC had used up all its timeouts, and could not reset in time.  Another fourth-and-inches ended up with an AC player in the end zone with the ball, but the ball was fumbled into the end zone by another AC player and by rule was ruled a touchback.  AC also missed two short field goals in the first quarter. 

If the team continues to improve they will win a couple of SCAC games.  Despite being smaller and slower than their opponent, AC had a fairly effective passing game, and the running game had its moments.    Total yardage should have been fairly close. 

McMurry had two nice drives, scored on a 30-yard fumble return after someone put a hat on the ball and right into the hands of a defender, and a safety. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 09, 2006, 06:01:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 08, 2006, 10:37:44 PM
I think TU will win, but it won't be easy.  It seemingly never is against TLU these days. 

... and, dammit!, it's about time.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 09, 2006, 08:11:04 PM
Very entertaining game in Montgomery today. Like last week HC made several mistakes early and spotted Sewanee a 10-0 lead in the first quarter. But with a little trickeration end-around TD pass and a int. returned for a TD HC quickly took the lead for good in the second quarter. It could have gotten real close in the third with HC leading 30-17 and Sewanee driving with the help of a couple of good Mears runs, Mears diving for the endzone loses the ball and HC returns it 100+ yds for a TD. Really helpful 14 point swing there.
Huntingdon seems to have gotten back on track with this one. Still a few too many penalties at inopportune times but overall looked good. Brandon Smith ran the ball real well on offense and I don't know yet how many tackles Granger Shook had but he was all over the field today for the Hawks D along with being thisclose to getting a pick 6 and also a huge block on the 100+ yd fumble return.
Looking forward to our trip to Millsaps next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2006, 08:22:21 PM
Trinity trails 7-3 or 7-2 at the half as QB Barmore is out.  TU posting 4-of-16 passing at the half, 61 total yards, TLU with 119.  Trinity had a fourth-and-goal  from the one but could not convert. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 09, 2006, 08:33:18 PM
Good grief, could the announcers on KRTU be any LESS lively?  One guy (Bob I think it is) sounds like Milton from Office Space - I'm waiting for him to start mumbling about where his stapler is.  I don't know if I can take this on every road trip!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 09, 2006, 10:34:33 PM
One disappointing thing about today's game, I was told by a player's dad that this was the last HC-Sewanee game for the forseeable future. That figures, you start beating people and they don't want to play anymore. Doesn't make sense to me. Besides LaGrange starting this year and B'ham-Southern next, they are the nearest D3 team to us. I figured with these other new programs we would be able to cut out some the long road trips but if this is how it's going to be, I guess not. I'm sorry for the rant but I just really hated to hear this.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 09, 2006, 10:44:06 PM
Wow.... what an odd day.

Not trying to rub it in, it's a serious question:

When's the last time Trinity and Wabash lost on the same day? 

I'd say it's cause for celebration in Greencastle.

I'd like to agree with a lot of the things that Lefty said.  I was in back in town to see the game today, and thought the offense started very slowly.  It seemed like DPU became more committed to the run late, and they were able to make some hay when they gave up on the pass.  Winkle made a couple bad throws both mentally and mecanichally, but handled himself well overall in his first career start.

Defense was excellent.  Plain and simple.  I was a little concerned about the LB corps, but Farrow, Lewis, and Brandstatter/McElwain all played pretty well in my eyes.

Anderson's RB was legit, and the D held the Ravens to 10 rushing yards in the first half. 

Tigers still with some things to work on for next week.  We'll see how they look against the Dutchmen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2006, 10:56:55 PM
Into every life a little rain must fall ... tho TU having to go most of the way with their scout team QB didn't help.  Making your first college start against TLU's defense is kind of tough. 

Hopefully Barmore's not hurt too bad, there wasn't much info available on the call tonight.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 09, 2006, 11:04:13 PM
Hawks, The SCAC moves to an 8-game conference schedule next year with the addition of Colorado College and BSC.   That only leaves 2 non-conference games.

Sewanee has the choice of Maryville and LaGrange as opponents, too.

IMHO, the next step for the GSAC schools is to merge into the "Southern Division" of a larger USAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2006, 08:57:47 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 09, 2006, 10:56:55 PM

Hopefully Barmore's not hurt too bad, there wasn't much info available on the call tonight.


Per today's San Antonio Express-News, Barmore suffered a concussion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2006, 09:38:18 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2006, 08:57:47 AM
Per today's San Antonio Express-News, Barmore suffered a concussion.

Thanks, WT.  Same article (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA091006.15C.FBCtlu.trinity.3581659.html) also said Cannon was unavailable due to a "team violation." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2006, 09:57:49 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 10, 2006, 09:38:18 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on September 10, 2006, 08:57:47 AM
Per today's San Antonio Express-News, Barmore suffered a concussion.

Thanks, WT.  Same article (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA091006.15C.FBCtlu.trinity.3581659.html) also said Cannon was unavailable due to a "team violation." 


... and I hope Barmore's concussion wasn't a severe one. Head injuries are tricky.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 10, 2006, 03:04:28 PM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on September 09, 2006, 10:44:06 PMWhen's the last time Trinity and Wabash lost on the same day?

It appears the answer to your question is October 16, 2004. Wabash lost 33-30 to Wooster in Crawfordsville. Trinity lost 30-14 to Azusa Pacific in San Antonio.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 10, 2006, 11:54:41 PM
Ron,

It was fun to finally meet some of the distinguished posters on this board face-to-face at the AC game.  ;D Putting faces and names together for you, Gray Fox and Josh was a real pleasure. 

I know that Trinity playing without their first two QB's was a dreadful disadvantage and it is hard to compare but I feel this makes AC's 45-0 loss to Texas Lutheran the first week look a little better in regard to the SCAC landscape.   I hope AC can win their next two contests and at least come into San Antonio on a little bit of a roll. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2006, 12:06:29 AM
roo, sorry that I missed you!  I had to be out of town.

I would be wary of the 23-0 defeat from McMurry.  I saw that Menlo only lost to Southern Oregon by 13-16, so the Oaks may be stronger than last year.  The 14-0 loss should have been 14-7 according to Northwest Conference veteran poster, cawcdad.

McMurry lost so much in Sellers at QB and defensive players like Thompson and Colby Witt.

The McM game against LC will be a big one.  That will give me a better handle on them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 11, 2006, 09:46:12 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 09, 2006, 11:04:13 PM
Hawks, The SCAC moves to an 8-game conference schedule next year with the addition of Colorado College and BSC.   That only leaves 2 non-conference games.

Sewanee has the choice of Maryville and LaGrange as opponents, too.

IMHO, the next step for the GSAC schools is to merge into the "Southern Division" of a larger USAC.
Yeah, I guess I forgot about their 8-game conference schedule for a minute there. Well, maybe some of the others will be able to keep finding room for us until somebody can get that USAC merger worked out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2006, 10:25:33 AM
According to an article in today's Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA091106.8D.Trinity.8931b009.html),  Blake Barmore is "out of the fog" from the concussion suffered against TLU.  Coach Mohr is quoted as saying his status for the game against Redlands is up to the doctors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 11, 2006, 10:58:32 AM

My, how times have changed.  Mike Burton only came off the field when the game was out of reach for four years despite seemingly playing with a concussion every other week.  I was always glad that we won, but I was also usually a little apprehensive about Coach Mohr's decision to put him back in sometimes.  Anyway, I'm glad Blake was taken out if he was really at risk.  Down to their third qb and second tailback, it looks like we managed to stay in the game.  I think we're going to be okay if the defense can keep it up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 11, 2006, 11:06:35 AM
BFB... the QB situation is up in the air.  Hope Barmore recovers quickly and fully.

I don't remember a situation in my 10 years following TU football where the third QB was 'thrown into action' the way Bryant Wilson was Saturday....  you're right that he seemed to get his 'sea-legs' in the fourth qtr,,, but it was too little, too late...  It's tough to take all your reps with 2's and 3's and get thrown to the 'Bulldogs' in your baptism by fire....  The TLU defense deserves credit, because they are always tough and getting tougher..  they must have outweighed our young o-line by 15-20 per man...  Farney is the only one who 'matched-up'.

Well non-con games...  the big one will be DePauw...  let's hope we can field a stable and healthy squad for that one...  Redlands next Saturday will tell us if we've regrouped or not!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2006, 03:12:08 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 10, 2006, 11:54:41 PM
Ron,

It was fun to finally meet some of the distinguished posters on this board face-to-face at the AC game.  ;D Putting faces and names together for you, Gray Fox and Josh was a real pleasure. 

I know that Trinity playing without their first two QB's was a dreadful disadvantage and it is hard to compare but I feel this makes AC's 45-0 loss to Texas Lutheran the first week look a little better in regard to the SCAC landscape.   I hope AC can win their next two contests and at least come into San Antonio on a little bit of a roll. ;)

Hey roocru, the pleasure was all mine.  As you know from being there the game was far from a 23-0 whitewash, except on the scoreboard.   Gage has 'em going the right direction, with a year or two to recruit the D/FW area they should be contenders. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 11, 2006, 03:16:30 PM
It was fun meeting up with you, roocru, and getting together again with Ron.  It was also a nice, unexpected treat meeting up with Gray Fox.

I'll look forward to the HSU/UMHB game in Belton, roocru.  Maybe we can grab some lunch before that one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tutiger on September 11, 2006, 05:10:55 PM
What really stands out to me about the Trinity loss is the fact that they had a punt blocked.  That probably hasn't happened in a decade.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 11, 2006, 05:12:20 PM
Guys, get a room....


just kidding.


Any predictions for this week?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 12, 2006, 02:45:09 AM
TU JV's got some revenge against TLU tonite 28-0.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 12, 2006, 10:11:28 AM

In my first year at Trinity, Coach Mohr embarked on a mission to have no more kicks blocked because he discovered that teams who suffer such a fate lose more often than they win.  In the first half of that season, I think we had at least two or three blocked and we won our first nine games.  I seem to remember it happening more than it probably should have for a team that won as much as we did.  It made me realize how talented and deep we were.

I think the issue is that we were down to our 3rd string qb and our back up tailback.  Clearly defense did the job and offense did not.  It's not like that one blocked kick put the game out of reach.  Offense should have been able to cover that. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 12, 2006, 11:27:07 AM
I thought I recalled somebody mentioning that Cannon was suspended for the TLU game for a team violation or something or other.  Does that mean he'll be playing this week?  Anybody with any info on that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 12, 2006, 08:34:35 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: D3football.com Poll)

Trinity's 9-14 loss to TLU (under the various circumstances posted above) dropped the Tigers from 24th last week to 42nd in this week's D3football.com Poll.

I have seen both of the Trinity games this season; "42nd in the poll, No-Way"   ???

P.S. With the win TLU moves up to 20th in the poll; then Trinity must be "at or about 21st"    ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dawgs go deep on September 13, 2006, 01:08:25 AM
From a Redlands fan........I hope your qbis OK and can play. It is a terrible thing when a kid who works his tail off gets jurt and has to sit out.  I wish him well and hope he can play.

any predictions on the game?  I sure hope its a good one and the Dawgs can regroup from last week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacman on September 13, 2006, 09:48:07 AM
Injuries and team rules are both perils that young men have to face and recover from...

Hopefully the qb corps will be back at full strength, and Redlands sees the real TU team...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2006, 10:40:58 AM
Images from Saturday's game between McMurry and Austin College can now be viewed under the Photo Galleries link on the front page.  Check them out!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 13, 2006, 09:59:27 PM
Quote from: etg on September 12, 2006, 08:34:35 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: D3football.com Poll)

I have seen both of the Trinity games this season; "42nd in the poll, No-Way"   ???

P.S. With the win TLU moves up to 20th in the poll; then Trinity must be "at or about 21st"    ???

With TU's offense looking the way it has the past 2 games, there is no way they should be in the top 30, much less #21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 14, 2006, 08:35:21 PM
ttu719803,

Let's "reserve" a final opinion on the Tiger's current ranking in the poll at least until after this Saturday's game; probably even better until after the following week's game.

Ok?                                               "Black  :)  Flag"



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 14, 2006, 09:44:44 PM
Word around the DePauw campus has it that Spud Dick will get the start this Saturday at Hope.

If Coach Walker is committed to starting Dick this season, it's obviously better to give him his first start at home against a team like Hope than it would be to throw him into the fire next week in San Antonio.

I'm excited to see what Dick is capable of.

(That's what she said.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on September 14, 2006, 10:21:03 PM
I don't know DICK, Do you know DICK?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 14, 2006, 10:41:12 PM
After a couple of Monon Bell wins, this Dick in particular will be one of the few that you Wabash folk don't like.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 14, 2006, 11:21:14 PM
Quote from: etg on September 14, 2006, 08:35:21 PM
ttu719803,

Let's "reserve" a final opinion on the Tiger's current ranking in the poll at least until after this Saturday's game; probably even better until after the following week's game.

Ok?                                               "Black  :)  Flag"



If we're talking about CURRENT ranking, then it only includes the past 2 games.  If you want to wait until after this week's game, then talk about next week's rankings.

OK?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2006, 01:52:17 AM
According to today's Trinitonian (http://media.www.trinitonian.com/media/storage/paper819/news/2006/09/15/Sports/Offense.Fails.Tigers.For.1st.Defeat.In.3.Seasons-2279469.shtml?sourcedomain=www.trinitonian.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com), Jacob Cannon is the likely starter at QB on Saturday (vs Redlands).   Coach Mohr is quoted as saying there is an "outside" chance Blake Barmore could play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on September 16, 2006, 02:58:57 PM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on September 14, 2006, 10:41:12 PM
After a couple of Monon Bell wins, this Dick in particular will be one of the few that you Wabash folk don't like.



ZINGER!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 16, 2006, 03:35:04 PM
No scoring in 2nd half.  Austin College beats Kalamazoo 17-14.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 16, 2006, 05:43:24 PM
Rhodes wins over Centre 20-10.

it was 10-6 at half after Centre beat Rhodes deep for a TD, then Rhodes came back with a TD run by Bobby Martin, but the snap on the PAT was bad and the kick was never attempted.

centre never scored in the second half, even after Rhodes opened up the half sloppy giving the ball to Centre on turnovers on the first two drives.

Rhodes scored in the 4th quarter twice on goal line runs by Ty Lake. Centre never had another opportunity to get close.

it was a great game, both teams played well. The Lynx defense stepped it up again this week, especially in the fourth quarter when Keller Bankston intercepted the QB to set up the last score.

The Lynx scored on a drive from their own 4 yd line to go ahead. The drive was held up by a pass interference call and a great scramble from QB Mark Young.

It really was a great game and the Lynx look like a team that could make some noise. A few things need to be worked out, but it is early and they look good. Defense is solid. Offense is coming together very well. They could surprise a few people this year in the SCAC. And... they're looking for revenge on every SCAC opponent after a dissapointing season last year. This is going to be a lot of fun.

GO LYNX!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 16, 2006, 09:36:31 PM
Trinity leads Redlands 21-3 at the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 16, 2006, 11:03:04 PM
Trinity defense plays great again - 6 picks, 10 points allowed.

The offense still looks like they're trying to find an identity.  The running game looked a little better, but I'll bet it's not where Coach Mohr wants it.  Jake looked pretty good, completed something like 11 of 16 passes for 3 TD's.  Here's hoping they improve a little more going in to conference play.

The Tiger D is legit...the Black Flag is definitely back!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2006, 11:38:18 PM
I wonder if 6 INTs is a school record. 

Going to be an interesting matchup with DePauw next weekend, for sure.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 16, 2006, 11:51:23 PM
Well, Huntingdon got lucky today and got out of Millsaps with the W. After holding Millsaps' offense pretty much in check for the first half, HC got a TD at the end of the first half then got the ball first and drove down and scored to go up 21-7 early in the second half. I thought, well we can relax a little now. Nope. Millsaps obviously found something at halftime in our defense because Tyson Roy ran ALL OVER US the rest of the game. We never found any answer for what they were doing. We lucked up when Millsaps scored with 1 second left to make it 35-34 and decided to go for two but had some confusion and tried to call a timeout they didn't have and got a delay of game. After the penalty they decided to kick and go for the tie but we blocked it for the win. Either we aren't as good as we think, or Millsaps is the best 0-3 team in the country. They seem like if they can work a couple of things out on defense, they have a chance to make some noise when they start conference play.
On to Memphis to play Rhodes next week. Hopefully we can get some things straightened out before then.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 18, 2006, 02:12:03 PM
Well, gang - what's the deal?  Key conference matchup, and no commentary?  I know it's early in the week, but let's hear it!  I figured that by now we'd no doubt have seen some haiku response about Trinity's dominance, and some wally's superfluous commentary about something he knows nothing about.

Where you guys at?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2006, 05:52:27 PM
Maybe those of us on the Texas side would like to know who will be the QB will be for TU this week before mouthing off ;-)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 18, 2006, 05:58:49 PM
Depauw is starting a "real" Dick at quarterback...but we already discussed that...btw, Hope had an awful lot of sacks against Depauw...is that in the Trinity arsenal...

btw, can someone explain to me the advantage for Depauw  being in the SCAC...never could get it...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 18, 2006, 07:35:26 PM
I have to correct my message about Saturday's Rhodes/Centre game. Rhodes' quarter back is Mark OLIVER, not Mark Young.

Sorry for the confusion, apparently I enjoyed my first real tailgate in 5 years a little too much. What can I say, I had a great time and enjoyed the game, is that so bad???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on September 18, 2006, 08:44:34 PM
Scotty, I'm glad the Wabash faithful are still unable to get Dick out of their collective mind, but let's grow up a bit.  Anyway, a little bit about DePauw and the SCAC...President Bottoms was hoping to get into a southern conference (he's from Alabama if I'm not mistaken) so DePauw could recruit more students from the south.  He also wanted a conference with schools with similar academic reputations as DPU.  They were in the ICAC which had a number of schools with some "suspect" academic requirements.  So, they looked at the NCAC (a more obvious choice), but geographically I guess it wasn't what Bottoms wanted.  So, the Tigers accepted an invitation to join the SCAC.  If I'm wrong on any of this feel free to correct me, but this is what I was told by a former Kinesiology professor who was there throughout it all (not Coach Nick).

My opinion is that it is a great conference to be in.  While I can't say I enjoyed the cramped 12 hour baseball bustrips or the hassles of airports and flying to Trinity and Millsaps for football, but I'm glad I was able to experience it...it was a TON of fun.  Being a kid from a little town in the middle of nowhere in Indiana, being able to travel around the South and see a number of sites was something I will never forget.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 19, 2006, 09:52:55 AM

Here's my contribution for the week, as I think we'll be in good shape with either quarterback. 

If the Greencastle Tigers are going to ever beat the San Antonio Tigers, they better get it done this year.  I don't think Trinity's ever had so many injuries at key positions. 

Does anyone know the status of Phillip Kownslar?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 19, 2006, 11:33:45 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 19, 2006, 09:52:55 AM

If the Greencastle Tigers are going to ever beat the San Antonio Tigers, they better get it done this year. 

With Trinity's injuries, and the way their schedule looks in the upcoming weeks (this week with Depauw, at Huntingdon, at Centre) are we looking at a possible 2, 3, or God forbid, even a 4 loss season?

Huntingdon played TU tough last year in SA, and now has to go to Montgomery? I played there last year, and that city is CRAZY over the Hawks, and will be looking for revenge from last years loss.

Centre has always been a tough place to play, and with a bye the week before TU comes to town, will be ready to play. After this past Saturday's game, they were a couple plays form a different result, and by late October, should have those ironed out.

Does that mean that this week with Depauw is the turning point in Trinity's season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2006, 12:03:03 PM
Quote from: HunterT on September 19, 2006, 11:33:45 AM
With Trinity's injuries, and the way their schedule looks in the upcoming weeks (this week with Depauw, at Huntingdon, at Centre) are we looking at a possible 2, 3, or God forbid, even a 4 loss season?

Huntingdon played TU tough last year in SA, and now has to go to Montgomery? I played there last year, and that city is CRAZY over the Hawks, and will be looking for revenge from last years loss.

Centre has always been a tough place to play, and with a bye the week before TU comes to town, will be ready to play. After this past Saturday's game, they were a couple plays form a different result, and by late October, should have those ironed out.

Does that mean that this week with Depauw is the turning point in Trinity's season?

Good to have you on the boards, Hunter.

It's possible.  It would be quite hard to recover from a loss to DePauw; we'd have to go back a ways to see the last time Trinity started out 2-2.  That said, the two W's on the Greencastle side of the ledger don't tell us much about what the Indianans are going to bring to the table on Saturday.

Huntingdon - to be honest, I've almost chalked that one up as an "L" already.  It will be the first significant road game of the season and almost everyone that gave Trinity fits last year is back (read: Golson to Colson on offense).  If Barmore comes back and is healthy Trinity will have a better chance.  If you remember, he came in in relief last year and guided TU to the come-from-behind victory with a 7-of-8 passing performance. 

Centre - you never know what to expect from these guys.  They certainly have upset Trinity in the past and have the potential to do so again, especially at home. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 19, 2006, 12:23:41 PM

Should we cancel the season today to save ourselves the embarrassment?

I can understand the concerns about DePauw and Centre, but 1-1 Huntingdon seems to me less imposing than last year because of this-  they haven't improved, clearly.  After last year, people were looking for them to be "scary" this year.  What I see is either a group that over achieved last year and is now not able to find the same fire under the expectations, or a group that somewhere lost some significant people.

One thing we have to remember is that Trinity at their worst is still where about 90% of d3 teams wish they were, and despite all the years of wearing a target, the Tigers have stayed in that top percentile of wins.  As we saw last week, TLU exhausted most of their resources to beat Trinity with a scout team quarterback, and then fell the next week. 

I do think this year is everyone's best chance to beat Trinity, but I really don't think you can ever assume a loss for Coach Mohr's bunch. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacman on September 19, 2006, 08:13:52 PM
I hear that the RiverWalk is always looking for teams showing some "Dick".  A&M didn't have any, Army didn't have it, but DePauw has it!  When you show your "Dick" in San Antonio, you never know what might happen!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 19, 2006, 10:10:19 PM
Quote from: scacman on September 19, 2006, 08:13:52 PMWhen you show your "Dick" in San Antonio, you never know what might happen!

If you're in Olmos Park you're going to get arrested. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU_radio_guy on September 19, 2006, 10:57:50 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on September 19, 2006, 10:10:19 PM
If you're in Olmos Park you're going to get arrested. 

You Little Giants are so gosh darn clever sometimes.  That is really some top notch stuff right there.  Do you have an entire routine?  I'd love to hear it sometime.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 19, 2006, 11:05:45 PM
Quote from: DPU_radio_guy on September 19, 2006, 10:57:50 PMDo you have an entire routine?  I'd love to hear it sometime.

I got a million of 'em. You buy a pitcher of Shiner I'll tell jokes all night.

It was meant as an inside joke to the other San Antonians out there. Olmos Park sees a lot of "public indecency" arrests. I've had a few clients arrested there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on September 20, 2006, 09:38:10 AM
I have recently moved New Orleans and am completely out of the SCAC loop.  What are the predictions on this weeks DePauw/Trinity game?  I have read the past postings and see that Trinity has some key injuries and that DePauw is starting a freshman QB.  Should be a good game as always. 

Anyone have a pre-game breakdown?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 20, 2006, 12:01:53 PM
I agree with the earlier post that this may be DePauw's best shot at beating Trinity, even if they start a freshman at QB.  I expect Marks will get a bunch of carries, and the defense has enough talent to keep it close.  Not so sure Spud has to the win the game for DePauw as much as he needs to avoid turnovers.

I am curious as to how DePauw travels to these games in Texas and Mississippi, whether by charter bus or by plane, and what day you leave.  That travel has to be brutal.

There has been a lot of fun at Spud's expense here lately, but he is a good player, and he may be DePauw's version of what we had in the mid-90's with Chris Ings.  I think it's a good move to have him play right away - it should pay dividends later. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2006, 12:25:38 PM
DPU travels to SA by plane, which was why last year's game had to be called off due to the possibility of having to try flying over a hurricane.  Most (if not all of the) SCAC teams that fly into SA spend Friday night here.

My $0.02:

- Trinity needs to stay healthy at QB.
- They need some semblance of a running game; this 50 ypg average isn't going to cut it.
- Dustin Hertel needs to be held in check.

- DePauw needs to mix its plays nicely and keep pressure off of its young QB.
- DPU's defense needs to pressure the QB and not let the WRs get free.

What I see so far is that DPU has a more balanced offense and a much better running game, TU is better defensively.  QB play is going to be huge on both ends.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 20, 2006, 12:36:49 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 19, 2006, 09:52:55 AM

Here's my contribution for the week, as I think we'll be in good shape with either quarterback. 

If the Greencastle Tigers are going to ever beat the San Antonio Tigers, they better get it done this year.  I don't think Trinity's ever had so many injuries at key positions. 

Does anyone know the status of Phillip Kownslar?

TU2698 ... I agree with you on the QB comment.  Both Jake & Blake have demonstrated their ability to lead the Tiger offense.  A little dose of humble pie has probably been good for both of them ... I think both will play this year and both will do very well.

The injury bug at TU has turned into a monster this season and it's still very early.  Several key starters have serious injuries, but that just gives some other guys a chance to shine.  Witness the notable performance by LB Jeff Jones in relief of Kownslar last week ... what a great job to kickoff his college career.

I do have more specifics about injuries, but it's not appropriate to post them here for all the D3 world to read.  If you want to e-mail me, I can elaborate a bit.  Suffice to say that some key TU players are down, some are out, and some are recovering.  A challenge for the coaching staff, but they have plenty of talent to choose from.

Adversity can be an opportunity to develop character and learn perseverance.  These are smart guys and I think they know what they're up against.

Looking forward to seeing the "Battle of the Tigers" on Saturday.   Any D3 posters who plan to attend, look me up.  I'll be wearing a white #10 jersey if you want to say Hi.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 20, 2006, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 20, 2006, 12:25:38 PMDustin Hertel needs to be held in check.

You guys figure out how to do that, please let us know. He's a beast.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 20, 2006, 12:44:51 PM

While you lucky ones are crammed into EM Stevens stadium watching a real game, I've somehow obligated myself to the cozy confines of Tiger Stadium in Baton Rouge watching NFL hopefuls and wannabes as LSU pummels Tulane so the Green Wave can feast on a pay day.  Now reading the posts from today, I'm so fired up for the SCAC showdown. 

Does anyone know a number that I can call for updates from San Antonio Saturday night?  My cell phone is my only link to the wireless age. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 20, 2006, 12:47:01 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on September 20, 2006, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 20, 2006, 12:25:38 PMDustin Hertel needs to be held in check.

You guys figure out how to do that, please let us know. He's a beast.

Well, you could try doubling him and running away from him... but Luis Davila has been coming up with just as many big plays at the other DE position. I suppose you could try the middle, but I haven't seen anybody with the ability to block Michael McNelis.

I'd disagree with the notion that Trinity has a defensive edge - if anything, it's a dead heat. I obviously haven't seen the Trinity D at work this year, but from what I've seen of DPU's, it's a truly GREAT unit and I can't imagine there are too many front sevens in the entire country that are better. Teams can't run the ball at all against them. If I were Steve Mohr, I'd probably junk the run altogether, take a few shots downfield, and throw about 50 times. But even then, the Tiger pass rush has been superb, and they'll put you in a LOT of third and long situations.

I feel like if DPU takes care of the ball, they've got a great chance to win. They've got to establish the run a little better than they did last week against Hope. Hope had two unblockable ends that really created havoc, so it's a good thing Trinity doesn't have any of those... wait, what do you mean 'Dustin Allen's still there'?

Bottom line, I think DPU has all the reason in the world to be confident that they'll go win one in San Antonio. Again, I haven't seen TU... but remember the last two times these teams have played, the margins have been razor-thin in favor of Trinity. If anything, the gap has closed even further over the last two years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 20, 2006, 04:28:26 PM
Don't mean to distract from the upcoming bout in SA, but I missed this story earlier and thought it was interesting that a 42 year old record for return yards was broken a couple of weeks ago . . . despite the loss!  On another note, Millsaps is off this weekend, hopefully will allow some time to nurse some injuries they seem to have, same story as TU.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/091306story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2006, 04:46:31 PM
I left off the word "slightly" in my statement on the defenses, but FWIW:

Trinity has allowed fewer points in three games (24) than DPU has in two (28).   One of those TDs was a ten yard "drive" after a fumble, another was against the second team defense last week after the game was well in hand. 

Trinity is holding teams to 207 yds/game, DPU 233.5.   TU opponents average 3.4 yds/play, DPU opponents 3.7.

As you mentioned, DPU does a great job defending the run, allowing 56 yds and 2 yds/carry to Trinity's 130.3/3.6.  On the other hand, Trinity allows only 76.6 yds passing (3 yds/pass) vs. DPU's 177.5 (5.1). 

DPU holds teams to 15% conversion on third downs vs. 21% for Trinity.   DPU is +6 on TOs to +3 for Trinity. 

Guess we will have to let the teams decide which defense is better on Saturday.   ;) 

Also of import:  this is DPU's first road game of the season; in 2003, it was their third.   Weather looks good, temps in the upper to mid-80s during the game with only a slight chance of rain.  Thanks to El Nino for supressing the hurricanes this time around. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 20, 2006, 04:57:05 PM
I'm glad to see a Millsaps post here and I've actually been encouraged by other things that I've seen on the D3 website and message board. 

It was a tough start to the season when we got clobbered by MS College.  I feel better seeing that even though MS College lost their star quarterback in the game against Millsaps, they were still good enough to beat Texas Lutheren last week and TL beat Trinity earlier in the season.

The loss to Louisiana College was a case of too many defensive breakdowns.  It's hard to say that Millsaps should have won because they really did have a lot of mistakes, but they certainly could have won.  I should point out that Tyson Roy sat out that game with a minor injury and that's a lot of offense sitting on the bench.

The Huntingdon game is one that I think Millsaps should have won.  There were still too many errors in the secondary, there were two turnovers in the red zone, the starting quarterback and one of the top receivers sat out the game, and what would have been a game winning 2-point conversion at the end of the game was waved off because of a penalty. 

The bottom line is that Millsaps is 0-3 instead of possibly 2-1, but maybe the turn around is not so far away.  It certainly gives me hope that they will be competitive this year in SCAC competition.  I guess we'll see in a few weeks.  As some of you know, I have a slew of Millsaps photos on a website that you can get to from any of the Millsaps sports pages and it has photos from the first 3 games.  Here's the link:  http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 20, 2006, 05:13:38 PM
It's nice that you feel warm and fuzzy about your chance to go to Texas and win a game, but before you get too puffed up about Depauw's bad to the bone defense (and before you come back with any sort of "well what about your defense" remark, note that this isn't about Wabash's defense, which is admittedly a sieve right now), remember that you've played precisely nobody.  Anderson and Hope are not Trinity.  Not even close.  We'll find out how good Depauw's defense really is on Saturday. 

Two reasons to not like Depauw on Saturday:

1) It's been what, 8 years now, and Depauw has found a way to lose this game every single time.  Whether it be by the ol' fashioned woodshed whoopin' variety, or the classic "snagging defeat from the jaws of victory" variety, Depauw has found the path to defeat.

2) Never, ever bet on a freshman quarterback in a big game early in the season.  Never. 

DPU's best chance to beat Trinity was last year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 20, 2006, 07:01:43 PM
Oh, boy, where do I start?

Quote from: wally_wabash on September 20, 2006, 05:13:38 PMbefore you get too puffed up about Depauw's bad to the bone defense (and before you come back with any sort of "well what about your defense" remark, note that this isn't about Wabash's defense, which is admittedly a sieve right now), remember that you've played precisely nobody.  Anderson and Hope are not Trinity.  Not even close.  We'll find out how good Depauw's defense really is on Saturday. 

Anderson and Hope aren't as good as Trinity? Gee, you think so? I never would have thought so.

Strength of opponent aside - when you're good, you're GOOD. Period. And this Tiger defense is good. You should know, Wally; it's basically the same defense that nearly reduced your boy Russ Harbaugh to rubble in the Bell game last year. Hertel is still there causing havoc, Sylvester is still in the secondary laying more big hits than Scott Storch, Berigan is still there shutting down the opposing #1 reciever, Lewis and Farrow are still there flying all over the place. This was a great unit last year, and they don't look like they've missed a step. Trust me - I've watched a few of our games (like, all of them).


Quote from: wally_wabash on September 20, 2006, 05:13:38 PMIt's been what, 8 years now, and Depauw has found a way to lose this game every single time.  Whether it be by the ol' fashioned woodshed whoopin' variety, or the classic "snagging defeat from the jaws of victory" variety, Depauw has found the path to defeat.

Remember when the Seahawks couldn't beat the Rams? As a Hawks fan myself, I sure do. I guess my point is that certain statistical trends have a way of reversing themselves on occasion. No better time than the present - with all due respect to the Black Flag, these ain't your older brother's Trinity Tigers.

Quote from: wally_wabash on September 20, 2006, 05:13:38 PMNever, ever bet on a freshman quarterback in a big game early in the season.  Never.

Admittedly, this is one of the factors that's making me antsy over this football game. But make no mistake - this game is not in Spud Dick's hands. He doesn't have to beat Trinity by himself. He'll have to complete a few short throws, maintain his composure, and most importantly, take care of the football. I don't think either of those things are beyond the realm of possibility, especially seeing how much poise he showed even as Hope's big front four was trying to grind him into a fine paste last week.

Again, I know, Trinity is a different animal, especially at home. 'Good' won't be good enough. But I'll just say this - if DPU commits one or fewer turnovers, and their defense forces two or more and gives Dick and Co. short field to work with... I'll bet they're going to land at Indianapolis International on Sunday afternoon with a 3-0 record.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on September 20, 2006, 07:38:11 PM
Swoosh......nothing but the bottom of hte net.

Very well put Lefty! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 20, 2006, 08:18:27 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 20, 2006, 07:01:43 PM
with all due respect to the Black Flag, these ain't your older brother's Trinity Tigers.

Actually, having been priveliged enough to watch Trinity football for the past 13 or so years, I can say that this Black Flag looks almost as good right now as that 99 version that won Coach Thomas the D.C. of the Year award.  These guys are good.

Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 20, 2006, 07:01:43 PM
if DPU commits one or fewer turnovers, and their defense forces two or more and gives Dick and Co. short field to work with... I'll bet they're going to land at Indianapolis International on Sunday afternoon with a 3-0 record.

Gee, ya think?  I'm pretty sure that in a game with two tightly matched teams, if you give one a +1 or more turnover ratio and great field position all game that team is probably going to win.  That sounds like a John Madden call..."Well Al, if St. Louis gets more yards, first downs, and points than Seattle does, I'm willing to bet they'll come out on top of this one!"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 20, 2006, 08:19:01 PM
Even though Trinity is 'dinged up', the Black Flag will be "Bringin the Wood".... abeit some of it green....  

Anybody who knows hardwood, knows that the green stuff is the hardest to split and ya just can't burn it 'til maybe next year.

Go Trinity Tigers!!!!  OUR HOUSE!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 20, 2006, 08:47:05 PM
Hey Team,

Radio Guy here under a new handle..since I'm not...the radio guy...anymore... you understand.

My very brief thoughts on Saturday:

First, winning the turnover battle by 1 or even 2 far from guarantees you a win.  DPU could lose the turnover battle by 2 or 3 on Saturday, but if one TU turnover comes deep in TU territory, it just might make the difference.  That's all I have to say about that.

If Jacob Cannon throws for less than 200 yards, DePauw will win this football game (barring ridiculous circumstances such as 5 fumbles, 10 DPU penalties, or the line judge from 2004 being on this year's crew).

Look, I'll agree that Anderson isn't that great, but Hope ain't that bad.  Hope isn't as good as Trinity, but last time I checked, Trinity's not in the Top 25 in this ballgame for the first time in a few years. 

I was very impressed with the Dutchmen.  They have a good shot to win their conference, IMO.  They were a very quality, big, physical opponent to prepare DPU for this weekend.  They had a little success running the ball (Booko was pretty solid, sacks brought the Hope rushing total down), but the Tiger D defended the pass very well.

In conclusion, this is the best I've seen the DePauw D.  If the Black Flag is as good as you folks are saying, I'll be hedging my bet on the under on Saturday then.

I'm very sorry I'll be missing it.  It's going to be a dandy of a contest.  You folks in SA enjoy yourselves on Saturday night.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 20, 2006, 10:32:20 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 20, 2006, 08:47:05 PM
Look, I'll agree that Anderson isn't that great, but Hope ain't that bad.  Hope isn't as good as Trinity, but last time I checked, Trinity's not in the Top 25 in this ballgame for the first time in a few years. 

TU is ranked #24 in the AFCA poll

I've seen Trinity play both home games this year.  If the DePauw secondary is stout, we could be looking at a 9-6 game.  The Trinity offense is very one dimensional, but that one dimension (passing) is pretty good.  From what I hear, DePauw is the opposite, with Marks leading a stout running attack but the passing game not being up to par.  This doesn't bode well for Trinity, with DePauw's running game having the potential to dictate the game's tempo (not to mention time of posession), but I will say that TU gets a win with gutsy defense and home field advantage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 20, 2006, 11:06:06 PM
for the sake of clarity.. i was referring to the d3 poll specifically. 

I'm not a regular to the AFCA poll and I'll kindly keep it that way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kracken on September 21, 2006, 08:44:48 AM
wally_wabash,
    In speaking of playing "nobodys," DPU is at least winning against the teams which you think are "nobodys." Am I correct in recalling that your all-boys school lost to Franklin last week? Must've hurt for a team ranked#22. Good for the Grizzlies, I was rooting for them the whole way! Can't wait for the Bell Game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 21, 2006, 10:13:45 AM

Nobody has mentioned the head case.  It's in DePauw's heads that they can't beat Trinity, even if they should.  With all you DePauw folks claiming that this is the team that can do it, my guess is that the players are thinking the same thing.  You can usually call that confidence, but given the history, I call it pressure. 

DePauw's going to be fired up without a doubt, but when the contest is still undecided, they're going to be just as uptight as they are excited. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 21, 2006, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 20, 2006, 07:01:43 PM
Strength of opponent aside - when you're good, you're GOOD. Period. And this Tiger defense is good. You should know, Wally; it's basically the same defense that nearly reduced your boy Russ Harbaugh to rubble in the Bell game last year.

At last check, Russ left that game ringing the Monon Bell and Depauw's defense left with a notice to get their gear checked back in.  

I have no doubt that Depauw's defense is good.  They were good last year, they have a lot of those guys back this year...it stands to reason that they'll be good again this year.  But you can't proclaim defensive greatness based on performance against middle of the pack teams from lower tier conferences.  Depauw's D will be put to the test this weekend, if they're good (win or lose) we'll all know it after Saturday.  

Quote from: Kracken on September 21, 2006, 08:44:48 AM
wally_wabash,
    In speaking of playing "nobodys," DPU is at least winning against the teams which you think are "nobodys." Am I correct in recalling that your all-boys school lost to Franklin last week? Must've hurt for a team ranked#22. Good for the Grizzlies, I was rooting for them the whole way! Can't wait for the Bell Game.

Last week Wabash beat Millikin.  The week before, Wabash lost in overtime to Franklin who happens to be a pretty good team (who was at home, with an extra week of practice and a game already under their belt).  It was a great win for Franklin and I think they are going to have a very good year...very possibly a playoff year.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 21, 2006, 01:46:14 PM
Sigh.... why are you even here?  Shouldn't you be solving that thing over there about how keep OWU (or anyone) out of the end zone???

Side note: If OWU runs up 30 on you guys, you can't defend your own lunch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 21, 2006, 02:01:41 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 21, 2006, 01:46:14 PM
Side note: If OWU runs up 30 on you guys, you can't defend your own lunch.

Agreed.  Trust me, nobody in the Wabash camp is at all pleased with the way our first two games have played out defensively.  I've not seen teams run up and down the field on Wabash like this since you guys got in our playbook in '98.  That's not intended to be a firestarter, it's the truth. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 21, 2006, 02:04:28 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 21, 2006, 10:13:45 AM
DePauw's going to be fired up without a doubt, but when the contest is still undecided, they're going to be just as uptight as they are excited. 

From all the guys I've talked to, the theme has been this: in past years, they've hoped to beat Trinity. This year, they know they can. If you're banking on DPU's collective sphincters tightening in the fourth quarter of a close game, and that being the reason why TU will win, I'd say you've got another thing coming, and I'd have to ask who here really has the confidence after all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 21, 2006, 02:08:04 PM
d-bags from crawfordsville: scram - go attend to your sheep.  Kidding, actually - good to see you gals around...

Trinity folks, here is my completely subjective prediction:


Depauw 17 - Trinity 14.  OT.

Depauw runs the ball all game and comes away with a Marks TD a short td reception from someone else.  Ball control means clock control.  Trinity struggles on the ground, but converts a couple of passing td's late and the game's locked up at 2 scores a piece at end of regulation.  From there, it's anyone's game, but I think DPU pulls it off finally.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 21, 2006, 02:16:47 PM
DPU lefty...  you've been reading too many children's books....  What you're referring to sounds like the "Little Engine That Could".... Wikopedia somes it up as "The Little Engine that Could, also known as The Pony Engine, is a moralistic children's story that appeared in the United States of America. The book is used to teach children the value of optimism. Some critics would contend that the book is a metaphor for the American dream." 

"Then as it near the top of the grade, that had so discouraged the larger engines, it went more slowly, but still kept saying, "I--think--I--can, I--think--I--can." It reached the top by dint of brave effort and then went on down the grade, congratulating itself, "I thought I could, I thought I could."

It is always good to keeping trying and 'thinking you can'....  But I don't think it'll be this year!

My prediction TU 24 - DPU 17
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 21, 2006, 02:40:43 PM
my entirely subjective prediction based mostly on what I remmeber the teams to be like last year from playing against them, and reading this for the past week:

Depauw over TU 14-10. Defense plays hard on both sides, but somehow Depauw doesn't lose this time.

not to bust the DPU vs. TU bubble... what about the other games in the SCAC?? I know this is the biggest one, but there are 4 other games this weekend. I'll only talk about the ones I know anything about.

Maryville over Sewanee 24-7
Rhodes over Huntingdon in a straight out battle, with Lynx Pride coming through, 28-24

GO LYNX!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 21, 2006, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: dpuinaz on September 21, 2006, 02:08:04 PM
d-bags from crawfordsville: scram - go attend to your sheep.  Kidding, actually - good to see you gals around...

Your insults are ringing very empty.   :)

Sorry to "invade".  You guys have the marquee game in the nation this weekend, IMO and I'm genuinely interested.  In all likelihood, we're deciding our first playoff spot Saturday. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 21, 2006, 02:58:39 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 21, 2006, 02:01:41 PM
I've not seen teams run up and down the field on Wabash like this since you guys got in our playbook in '98. 

You mentioning that reminded me of Coach Nick's story about your highfalutin theory, there.  That gave me a good chuckle.  Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 21, 2006, 03:15:14 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 21, 2006, 02:45:24 PM
Quote from: dpuinaz on September 21, 2006, 02:08:04 PM
d-bags from crawfordsville: scram - go attend to your sheep.  Kidding, actually - good to see you gals around...
Sorry to "invade".  You guys have the marquee game in the nation this weekend, IMO and I'm genuinely interested.  In all likelihood, we're deciding our first playoff spot Saturday. 

Always welcome...it is an interesting matchup, for sure.  Wish I could make it to the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 21, 2006, 04:15:07 PM

From all the guys I've talked to, the theme has been this: in past years, they've hoped to beat Trinity. This year, they know they can. If you're banking on DPU's collective sphincters tightening in the fourth quarter of a close game, and that being the reason why TU will win, I'd say you've got another thing coming, and I'd have to ask who here really has the confidence after all.
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I see you've got quite a grasp on the old cliche.  If you're asking who has the confidence, well, I'm not going to be playing, so my take isn't going to affect the outcome.  Now, I ask you since it sounds like you're close to the program, would the DPU players take exception to the idea of choking away the game the same way you do?  If so, I think your team is in trouble.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 21, 2006, 06:05:40 PM
Quote from: HunterT on September 21, 2006, 02:40:43 PM

Rhodes over Huntingdon in a straight out battle, with Lynx Pride coming through, 28-24


Hunter, that should be quite a barometer for your Lynx this weekend.  Hypothetically, a Rhodes win against a quality team like Huntingdon and a DPU win could have some rather large implications.  If Rhodes beats Huntingdon, I'll certainly give them a look in the SCAC race. 

Sorry to tell the Hawks, however, that after they finish up in Memphis they have to head home to see the Wesley Wolverines and the Black Flag in back-to-back weeks.  Good luck with that.  Yikes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2006, 11:02:52 PM
Story from Tuesday's E-N (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA092006.04C.FBCtrinity.kownslar.2e2e42e.html) says Trinity LB Kownslar is out for the season - knee.

Game preview on TU site (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/DUpreview.htm) says Blake Barmore is the "likely starter" at QB. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2006, 10:34:00 AM
DePauw has posted their game notes (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2006/notes/trinitynotes.pdf) (.pdf).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 22, 2006, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 21, 2006, 11:02:52 PM
Game preview on TU site (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/DUpreview.htm) says Blake Barmore is the "likely starter" at QB. 

So wait... is that good or bad?  He's the guy with the concussion, right?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pacman on September 22, 2006, 12:22:09 PM
Rhodes will get CRUSHED this weekend by Huntingdon.  It won't even be close.  Why, you ask?  Joe White Rhodes, that's why.  He is one of the worst coaches in DIII football, period.  The fact that he has been at Rhodes for so long only proves that Mike Clary, the Rhodes AD, is THE WORST DIII AD in the country.  Rhodes had a good win over Centre last weekend, but the magic ends this week. 

Huntingdon BIG over Rhodes this weekend, mark it down. 
Sorry HunterT, Lynx pride doesn't exist anymore.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2006, 12:29:47 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 22, 2006, 12:15:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 21, 2006, 11:02:52 PM
Game preview on TU site (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/DUpreview.htm) says Blake Barmore is the "likely starter" at QB. 

So wait... is that good or bad?  He's the guy with the concussion, right?

Barmore won the starting job in camp, so I would say it's good if he's back at 100%.

Updated forecast for San Antonio (http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=78246&hourly=1&yday=265&weekday=Saturday):

30% chance of rain/t-storms at game time with temps in the upper 80's, increasing to a 60% chance by game's end with temps falling to the upper/mid 70's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2006, 12:35:54 PM
Quote from: Pacman on September 22, 2006, 12:22:09 PM
Sorry HunterT, Lynx pride doesn't exist anymore.

From the history of your posts, that appears to be your problem.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on September 22, 2006, 04:16:55 PM
I haven't seen either of these teams play this year.  However, I'll speculate where I think the game will be decided.

Each of the O-lines has a fairly significant size advantage on paper.  This might not mean much, but could be a factor if it turns into a running game in sloppy weather particularly if someone is trying to run out the clock.

DPU O-line and QB are both young, which could spell trouble against a talented defense.  DPU's mental toughness will be tested early so it will be interesting to watch how they respond to Trinity's level of play compared to their previous opponents.

DPU defense has some talented veterans who know what it is going to take to win this thing.  Their leadership will be critical in setting the tone of the team.  More importantly, they are going to need to come up with some turnovers or other big plays that the offense can use to set up scoring opportunities.

Any prediction from me is 100% meaningless so I'm not even going to offer one.  I'm looking forward to listening to the broadcast.  I'm wishing each team no injuries and a hard-hitting ball game and hoping DPU can come out on top.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2006, 04:26:40 PM
Quote from: Pacman on September 22, 2006, 12:22:09 PM
Rhodes will get CRUSHED this weekend by Huntingdon.  It won't even be close.  Why, you ask?  Joe White Rhodes, that's why.  He is one of the worst coaches in DIII football, period.  The fact that he has been at Rhodes for so long only proves that Mike Clary, the Rhodes AD, is THE WORST DIII AD in the country.  Rhodes had a good win over Centre last weekend, but the magic ends this week. 

Huntingdon BIG over Rhodes this weekend, mark it down. 
Sorry HunterT, Lynx pride doesn't exist anymore.

Hmm, looking at the other names you tried to register with today, I wonder how the feds at your day job would feel about you posting from their computers with a name like ... well, it's not printable.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lynxcat on September 22, 2006, 04:32:56 PM
Quote from: Pacman on September 22, 2006, 12:22:09 PM
He is one of the worst coaches in DIII football, period.  The fact that he has been at Rhodes for so long only proves that Mike Clary, the Rhodes AD, is THE WORST DIII AD in the country.

Huntingdon BIG over Rhodes this weekend, mark it down. 
Sorry HunterT, Lynx pride doesn't exist anymore.

Hey Pacman,

Awesome Post.  My guess is that you are either a) a disgruntled X Rhodes football player that quit because he was too much of a bi@tch and blamed his failure on the coaches, or b) an upset father who is living through his underachieving son who is not getting any playing time because he sucks.  I can't quite pinpoint which one you are, however, since you are hiding behind your screen name. 

The facts are that Coach White is a very capable coach (he was the SCAC's coach of the year 3 years ago) that leads teams that are competitive almost every year with less talented players then the elite teams in the SCAC such as Trinity and Depauw.  Your comments are embarrassing, immature, and completely false.  I don't know if the Lynx will win this week or any other week this season, but I know they will be well prepared and well coached.  The Rhodes staff has made some great adjustments this year, including slowing down their offensive pace due to their superior defense and thin offensive line.  My point is that they do the very best they can with the talent they have every year. 

I assume that you are trying to gain happiness through Rhodes failures because you or your son could not cut it at Rhodes, this is very sad and I am sorry you have such a horrible attitude.  I played 4 years at Rhodes and could not of had a better experience.  I highly respect the coaches, not only for their work ethic and knowledge of the game, but also just because they are simply good people and genuinely care about x-players' success post their football careers.  Perhaps if you/your son would have sold out during practice and given a little more effort, then you too would have the same respect for them as I do.

Roll Lynx                   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2006, 04:48:36 PM
Oh, and when you change your e-mail to something fake, go figure, it doesn't let you post. Sheesh, people.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 22, 2006, 04:54:39 PM
Somebody at the game please remember to give Spud a shout out for me!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 22, 2006, 04:55:16 PM
Lynxcat,

Were you playing in the late 90's when Wabash came down to Memphis to play Rhodes?  That was a fun game to watch - 41-34 good guys, as I recall.  I was living in Memphis (Bartlett, actually) at the time, so that was pretty cool to have that game scheduled.

I think Rhodes can take 'em this weekend, and maybe be an SCAC sleeper this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lynxcat on September 22, 2006, 05:24:30 PM
wabashcpa,

No, that game was a bit before my time . . . I think Rhodes does have a good chance this week, don't know if you can call them the sleeper of the conference, though.  I think they have a very good chance in being the 3rd best team in the conference, will probably have trouble with Depauw (although the game is in Memphis) and obviously down in San Antonio. . . This is the first time they have started 2-0 in quite sometime, '00 I believe (albeit they played Lagrange the first week, who just started their football program), so that is promising
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pacman on September 22, 2006, 05:57:20 PM
Wow, quite a response.  First off, to the admin: I'm sorry for the name I tried to get through with earlier.  I thought it would be funny; obviously it wasn't.  But that wasn't a fake email address.  It was real and I got two emails from D3: one was the initial email with my username and password and then a second that said it was not approved.  I'll take flak for what I deserve, but nothing more. 

Secondly, to lynxcat.  I am neither a former player or the parent of a former player.  I am a former Rhodes athlete, though.  And from everything I saw in my time at Rhodes, I absolutely stand by what I have posted.  The coach of the year honor should go to Dan Swanstrom because he CARRIED that team.  He was an outstanding player and leader.  That team was 7-3 and should have won atleast two of those three losses.  But here is my question:  Why 5-5 during Swanstrom's senior season?  That team was LOADED, but the staff couldn't take advantage.  Besides that '03 season, the Lynx have been mediocre to bad.  At some point, you have to blame the coaches. 

I don't know Coach White all too well.  My experience with him is limited to seeing him walking around the BCLC with a jackass scowl on his face, making no attempt to even acknowledge anyone who doesn't play football.  I know several players that didn't finish their college careers playing football and they all say the same thing: Once you quit the team, he treats you like ****.  In fact, they say he goes out of his way to treat you like ****.  Sure, some guys quit and it is hard to respect them, but other have legitimate reasons for quitting and there is no excuse for being downright mean to them. 

Also, not sure when you were at Rhodes, but I was there when former head baseball coach Bo' Reynolds resigned.  Reynolds was a good friend of White's and when the players laid out Reynolds behavior to the AD and administration he took it as a personal attack.  He singled out two football/baseball players and put pressure on them until they changed their position and took up for Reynolds.  That is manipulative, embarrassing behavior.  It is completely unethical.

Finally, the guy regularly tries to convince freshman football/baseball players to quit baseball and focus on football.  Many of these guys were recruited primarily by the baseball team, but never make out in the spring because they have chosen to play baseball.  Given how he tried to manipulate two aforementioned players, I definitely wonder about how gets some of these guys to give up baseball.  Threaten their standing on the football team perhaps....?

The guys career record at Rhodes isn't very good.  The program isn't in good shape.  And on top of that, I don't think he is that good of a person.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pacman on September 22, 2006, 06:04:20 PM
Also, you give him credit for getting the most out of less talented teams.  This isn't highschool football.  The talent level reflects his ability as a recruiter.  And its not as if he was hired recently.  This is his 9th or 10th season.  All the players are his players.  You have to be kidding me.  Your take about him getting the most out of less talent is the single DUMBEST argument possible for that guy being a good coach. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2006, 12:35:22 AM
Quote from: Pacman on September 22, 2006, 05:57:20 PM
Wow, quite a response.  First off, to the admin: I'm sorry for the name I tried to get through with earlier.  I thought it would be funny; obviously it wasn't.  But that wasn't a fake email address.  It was real and I got two emails from D3: one was the initial email with my username and password and then a second that said it was not approved.  I'll take flak for what I deserve, but nothing more. 

I never said you were the one with the fake e-mail address. Perhaps if I had been referring to you I would have put it in the same post as my message to you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 23, 2006, 10:38:20 AM
Pac,

apparenly you are just whining over your experience at Rhodes. Being a former athlete you should have a better standing on how things work at Rhodes, but apparently you had your head shoved so far up your a$$ that you can't see the sunshine. The coaches for the football team, including coach white, care very much about other sports, that's why they show their support. and as far as walking around the BCLC with a scowl on his face, that's just who coach white is, once you get to know him (which i'm sure you never made the effort to since you were too busy playing with yourself) you'd realize that he's a good coach who is totally devoted to the team and his players.

you wonder why he treats players who quit bad? let's think about that one. THEY QUIT!!!!! DID YOU MISS THAT FACT?? i don't know about you, but when you're trying to be the best you can, and people around you are quitting, it doesn't help. so screw them, it's not worth my time to give them the time of day. If they don't have the balls to do what's necessary or try their hardest to be the best, or if they don't have the heart or strength to care and devote themselves to a team, then they might as well never come around anymore, b/c nobody wants to see them. The players on that team are devoted to the team, and the ones that play for 4 years will be that way for life. I'm sure it's the same way at any other school and any other program. My cousin played for Rice, and god knows they suck, but he still cheers for them every saturday because he was devoted to the team. Maybe if you had some sort of devotion to anything other than bashing other people to make yourself feel better, you'd understand.

for dan's 5-5 senior season, you can ask dan himself, we didn't get the job done. I was there, I was on that team. It was my senior year too. It wasn't coach whites fault. It wasn't the assistant coaches' faults. it was ours, the players, and we'll own up to it. We know we didn't get the job done, even though we were "loaded." we all knew it was going to be an amazing season, and it just didn't come together. if you want to talk about that, we'll talk about that, you can get in touch with me personally. I'll be waiting.

otherwise, you need to shut up and figure out something else to bash, b/c there is too much that you have no idea about. You call yourself an athlete? apparently the only sport you're good at is one where you complain and think it's cool to try and sign in with names that probably were something like "F#ckRhodes" or some very highly intellegent alternative. grow up, admit that you have a grudge against Rhodes for being snubbed by somebody, and go away.

Rhodes wins today big, b.c they'll be fired up and pissed off and looking to prove a point. maybe to you.

GO RHODES!!! PRIDE LYNX PRIDE!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lynxcat on September 23, 2006, 11:28:47 AM
Pacman,

I actually do agree with you on a few points.  It looks like that I went to Rhodes around the same time you did because I am in fact aware of all the situations you speak of.

Things that I agree with you:
Coach White walks around the BCLC witha a scowl on his face - See HunterT's comments, also take into account that the Guys is from New York
Coach White hates x football players  - See HunterT's comments again: I'm not sure you could name a college football coach that doesn't hate football players that quit

I strongly disagree with your other statements in your post ,but most of them are not worth my time explaining and I'm sure the Trinity/Depauw posters do not want to read an entire page on Rhodes football, so I will keep them to myself.  I will defend my less talented players statement by saying that Rhodes has a bit higher academic standards then other schools that are not bent for football players.  And, in the event that the standards are bent, the player usually doesn't last past a semester because they fail out.  So Rhodes typically has to recruit from a smaller pool then most other teams in the SCAC. As far as your comment about Coach White getting football/baseball players to quit, from my experience that is not true.  One of my friends was a football/baseball player coming in, and after a couple weeks of baseball practice, he quit, and Coach White was extremely upset with him for a couple of months.

It is obvious that I am more of an insider to Rhodes football then you are, and, therefore, probably know a little bit more about what really goes on in the program.  I suggest you start a d3baseball.com website and start posting about Rhodes baseball, a sport that you are obviously more familiar with. I will not dog the baseball team like you do the football team, because a lot of my friends played baseball and i really did enjoy going to the games (hell, you might even be one of them).   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DanSwan on September 23, 2006, 01:41:43 PM
Coach White is a great coach, and a great man. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2006, 03:23:55 PM
Is there anything more painful than trying to get SCAC football updates on a Saturday afternoon?  Sure, some games aren't until later but many schools either don't have a broadcast available or charge you $5 for the privilege of listening to one. 

What this conference needs, especially given the lack of available broadcasts, are for the schools to step up and provide live stats.  If I'm not mistaken the live stat feed that Trinity and others provide piggybacks directly off the stats that the SID and his crew provide anyway.  It ain't rocket science, this is 2006, and if you don't have an internet connection available (wired or wireless) in the stadium it's way past time to provide one anyway.

This would also somewhat relive the "do you have a score update" phone calls to the stadium.

Who's with me on this ??

LIVE STATS FOR ALL !!!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 23, 2006, 03:31:30 PM
Ron I totaly agree with you, there needs to be a big improvement. I'm having to listen to the Rhodes game on the Huntingdon radio statiion. It's painful.

at the half:
Huntingdon - 14
Rhodes        - 0

the weather is horrible, realll hard rain and wind.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2006, 04:36:12 PM
According to a post on the ODAC board, W&L beats Centre 24-15.

Not shaping up to be a good week in the SCAC at this rate.  Go Rhodes !!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 23, 2006, 04:38:33 PM
Rhodes game is postponed by lightning. with 13 minutes left in the 4th quarter and Rhodes with the ball and starting to finally get something going, the game gets stopped for at least 15 minutes.

Thank you mother nature.  >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2006, 04:38:48 PM
Either that, or the SCAC, charter subscribers to the D3Scoreboard service, should take advantage of the in-game scoring updates function it provides. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 04:52:19 PM
Rhodes and Huntington players are warming up.  Looks like game will resume soon with 13:25 to go in the game and score still 14-0.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2006, 05:11:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2006, 04:38:48 PM
Either that, or the SCAC, charter subscribers to the D3Scoreboard service, should take advantage of the in-game scoring updates function it provides. :)

Of course, that too. 

Live stats provide so much more information about what's going on, tho, and there's little extra work involved.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 05:19:04 PM
1st and 10 rhodes on their 20 yd line.  3:15 left Score is Huntington  14 - Rhodes  7
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 05:20:04 PM
2:35 left, 3rd and 18 for Rhodes
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 05:21:14 PM
4th and 25 for rhodes on their 5 yd line,  2:22 left to go.  Play of game is here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 05:22:29 PM
Rhodes qb is sacked on 1 yd. line.  1st and Goal for Huntington on 1 yd line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 05:23:17 PM
Huntington 2nd and 1 ft line
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 05:23:56 PM
Huntington scores and leads 21-7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 05:28:33 PM
Final:
Huntington 21 - Rhodes 7
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 23, 2006, 05:33:47 PM
Rhodes and Huntingdon was a not a great game. Huntingdon's D played really well and never let Rhodes do much with the ball. Rhodes' punter got hurt in the first quarter and it led to some big advantages in the field position battle. Weather played a little role when (it seemed) Rhodes had a 4th and goal from the 1 and tried to run but lost the handle and the ball was given to Huntingdon on the 2 yd line.

Other than that, not the best game to listen to. Huntingdon's defense played good, and that's what won them the game. Nothing more than that.

time to shift focus to San Anton.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2006, 08:09:39 PM
Speaking of SA, contrary to earlier forecasts it looks like the game tonight should be dry (or nearly so).  The radar shows very scattered showers from the front pushing through central Texas, not the solid line earlier predicted.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 23, 2006, 08:48:05 PM
Ron,  It is 7:45 here and pouring down rain.  Lots of thunder.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 08:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 23, 2006, 08:09:39 PM
Speaking of SA, contrary to earlier forecasts it looks like the game tonight should be dry (or nearly so). 

You jinxed it.  Way to go, Ron.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 23, 2006, 09:10:38 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 08:50:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 23, 2006, 08:09:39 PM
Speaking of SA, contrary to earlier forecasts it looks like the game tonight should be dry (or nearly so). 

You jinxed it.  Way to go, Ron.
Bad karma :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2006, 10:03:50 PM
Is it actually raining there?  Still doesn't look like there's anything there according to the radar, but there is stuff in the vicinity.

There's something about DPU and TU playing in SA.  We all know about the hurricane last year, but I do believe that three years ago the game was also interrupted by lightning similar to what's going on tonight. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2006, 10:10:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 23, 2006, 10:03:50 PMIs it actually raining there?  Still doesn't look like there's anything there according to the radar, but there is stuff in the vicinity.

It's not raining at my house. I'm only about 5 miles from Trinity. But there has been a lot of lightning.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 23, 2006, 10:10:21 PM
Sources with WGRE Sports are reporting an estimated restart time of 11:15 Central time. The storm is moving, but very slowly, and lightning is still in the vicinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2006, 10:14:45 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 23, 2006, 10:10:21 PM
Sources with WGRE Sports are reporting an estimated restart time of 11:15 Central time. The storm is moving, but very slowly, and lightning is still in the vicinity.

Wow. They're gonna be out there until 2 a.m. This is brutal. For such an important game it's a shame it has to be played under those conditions.

I wonder if the turf is still down at the Dome from the Army/A&M game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 23, 2006, 10:16:38 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2006, 10:14:45 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 23, 2006, 10:10:21 PM
Sources with WGRE Sports are reporting an estimated restart time of 11:15 Central time. The storm is moving, but very slowly, and lightning is still in the vicinity.

Wow. They're gonna be out there until 2 a.m. This is brutal. For such an important game it's a shame it has to be played under those conditions.

I wonder if the turf is still down at the Dome from the Army/A&M game.

That's straight from the source down there. There are momentum-killers, and then there's this - DPU had stonewalled the Trinity offense and was ready to attempt a field goal from close range to try and draw first blood.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 10:34:19 PM
I believe our start time has been amended to We-have-no-freaking-idea pm.

Sources say.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 10:36:12 PM
Also, the WGRE crew said that they were playing this game no matter what.  There wasn't a curfew for these sorta things in Texas, and this one is going to get played.

DPU's flight is early..I was told 8 am or so.  Better get done by 5 then, I suppose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2006, 10:38:59 PM
I hope the DPU players are not having to wait all this time in the crackerbox visitor locker room. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2006, 10:40:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 23, 2006, 10:38:59 PM
I hope the DPU players are not having to wait all this time in the crackerbox visitor locker room. 

Send 'em down to Bombay Bicycle Club for a few beers.  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 10:41:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 23, 2006, 10:38:59 PM
I hope the DPU players are not having to wait all this time in the crackerbox visitor locker room. 

Can't really imagine where else they might put 'em.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 21, 2006, 01:46:14 PM
Side note: If OWU runs up 30 on you guys, you can't defend your own lunch.

Since we have nothing much else to do, it looks like you Wabash folk can actually play a little D.  Only 28 to OWU.  Showing me up big time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: trinityfan on September 23, 2006, 10:50:57 PM
Quote from: lynxcat on September 23, 2006, 11:28:47 AM
Pacman,

I will defend my less talented players statement by saying that Rhodes has a bit higher academic standards then other schools that are not bent for football players.  And, in the event that the standards are bent, the player usually doesn't last past a semester because they fail out.  So Rhodes typically has to recruit from a smaller pool then most other teams in the SCAC.

Are you implying that Trinity and DePauw have different admissions standards for student-athletes, particularly football players, than for the general student body?  >:(

If so, that's a bold statement (and 100% inaccurate from the TU side at least).  Can you clarify your statement?

TU Fan
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 23, 2006, 10:53:28 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 10:48:00 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 21, 2006, 01:46:14 PM
Side note: If OWU runs up 30 on you guys, you can't defend your own lunch.

Since we have nothing much else to do, it looks like you Wabash folk can actually play a little D.  Only 28 to OWU.  Showing me up big time.

Well, 7 of those points were the result of a kickoff return. So, spread some love to the Special Teams too.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 10:54:41 PM
My sound card on my computer blew out tonight.  Has anyone heard anything about Austin College/SWAG tonight or would someone mind checking their radio broadcast since there is little else to do right now.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 23, 2006, 10:55:47 PM
AC wins 7-0, roocru.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 23, 2006, 11:09:55 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 23, 2006, 10:55:47 PM
AC wins 7-0, roocru.

Thanks, Josh !!  +karma to you !!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 23, 2006, 11:11:24 PM
HSU/LC game cancelled due to weather.  What's going on in SA?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 11:12:02 PM
Does Josh win some special prize for the being the first poster on the 100th page of this thread?

Still in a delay at DPU/TU.  I've heard nothing new in the last 20 minutes or so.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 11:16:37 PM
New update is that there's a final decision coming on whether or not to play within the next half hour or so.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2006, 11:20:26 PM
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/USTX1200?from=search map looks promising for San Antonio.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2006, 11:23:45 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2006, 11:20:26 PM
http://www.weather.com/weather/map/USTX1200?from=search map looks promising for San Antonio.

That's what seems odd, Pat.  All the radar maps I've looked at over the last two hours have shown very little rain or lightning in the immediate vicinity (tho admittedly the lightning detection on radar often leaves a lot to be desired).   There's nothing like being there, tho ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2006, 11:26:24 PM
I'm under the impression that after the delay starts, you have to be completely free of lightning strikes for at least half an hour before play can resume. 

Looks like there's pretty colors moving through the southern part of town.  I would imagine that would mean you could see lightning from it.

Anybody have a clue if I'm anywhere close to correct?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 23, 2006, 11:31:33 PM
DPU, that's my understanding, it's either a half-hour or an hour.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tusid on September 23, 2006, 11:41:02 PM
The delay is 30 minutes from the last reading 3-8 miles away.  We have had countlesss strikes in that range for the past couple of hours - including some within the past 30 minutes.

Officials from TU and DU are meeting now to make a decision about the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 23, 2006, 11:44:47 PM
Talk about irony.  Another Louisiana College game is cancelled due to inclement weather, and it looks like another Trinity/DePauw game will be cancelled for the same reason.

This will definitely make both conferences infinitely more interesting moving forward.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2006, 11:48:58 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 23, 2006, 11:44:47 PM
Talk about irony.  Another Louisiana College game is cancelled due to inclement weather, and it looks like another Trinity/DePauw game will be cancelled for the same reason.

This will definitely make both conferences infinitely more interesting moving forward.

If the SA game is cancelled, this time it will be DPU with the upper hand as Trinity has a loss and, after SCAC record, overall record would be the next tiebreaker.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 24, 2006, 12:06:20 AM
THis totally sucks.  They should get to play.  Totally unfortunate if it gets called.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 24, 2006, 12:07:54 AM
WGRE has said the game is postponed until 12 CST tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 24, 2006, 12:10:09 AM
will there be a webcast?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2006, 12:10:34 AM
Josh, what are you doing at noon CT tomorrow? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 24, 2006, 12:11:05 AM
Quote from: dpuinaz on September 24, 2006, 12:10:09 AM
will there be a webcast?

Yup.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2006, 12:13:47 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2006, 12:10:34 AM
Josh, what are you doing at noon CT tomorrow? :)

Somehow I don't think leaving Plano at 7AM tomorrow would make his lovely wife all that happy, Pat!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 12:14:27 AM
Well, I guess 'historymajor' can never again claim that we 'ducked' Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2006, 12:15:33 AM
Wow. Talk about a roller coaster. Getting fired up, then sitting around, then uncertainty, then having to go to bed and get fired up all over again tomorrow. It's like the gods don't want this game played.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TUFilmGuy on September 24, 2006, 12:18:44 AM
Apparently, the game will be picked up tommorow (Sunday) at noon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dpuinaz on September 24, 2006, 12:22:18 AM
still 4th and goal?  Or do they start over?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2006, 12:24:05 AM
In previous games the teams have picked up from the point of interruption.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tusid on September 24, 2006, 12:31:51 AM
Game will resume from the point it was stopped.  Webcasts from both TU and WGRE should be on around 12pm tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 24, 2006, 01:02:47 AM
Quote from: HunterT on September 23, 2006, 04:38:33 PM
Rhodes game is postponed by lightning. with 13 minutes left in the 4th quarter and Rhodes with the ball and starting to finally get something going,

This is funny. 'finally getting something going'? They weren't getting anything going. Rhodes had one decent drive all day. Great game by HC's defense to make up for last week. Gives us something positive to build on going into the huge game next week.

Quote from: HunterT on September 23, 2006, 05:33:47 PM
Rhodes' punter got hurt in the first quarter and it led to some big advantages in the field position battle. Weather played a little role when (it seemed) Rhodes had a 4th and goal from the 1 and tried to run but lost the handle and the ball was given to Huntingdon on the 2 yd line.

Yeah, your punter getting hurt had SOOOO much to do with the outcome of the game. And on the 4th down play it didn't look so much like your guy lost the handle as it looked like he actually threw the ball into the endzone right to our DB. Still don't know why our guy tried to bring it out.

Overall a very nice trip to Memphis. Got some Gus's chicken, some Corky's BBQ and a big Hawks win.

Time to get ready for Wesley now.  Go Hawks!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 24, 2006, 03:16:54 AM
Lefty.... evidently DPU feels like they can 'finish the deal' tomorrow....  I have to hand it to them....  they went the extra mile and rescheduled their flights....  let's hope that weather (and field conditions) make for a fair fight on Sunday!!!!  Go (TU) Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 24, 2006, 10:00:29 AM
Just got back from the Plano Balloon Festival.  After the 5 a.m. wake-up for that, I'm going back to bed!

But I am planning to be in San Antonio for Trinity next weekend (09/30), though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 24, 2006, 10:49:20 AM
Well it's back to E.M. Stevens for the completion of the TU-DePauw game suspended last night at 11:15 by lightning.  No rain at this time, but the sky is grey and ominous....  The TU Tigers will have to find a way to stop Marks and jump start their offense....  stay tuned...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 01:23:20 PM
9-0 DPU, 12:45 left in the half. TU has committed three turnovers already, two of them leading to DPU scores.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 24, 2006, 01:44:47 PM
my comments were made using what I heard on the radio, and the play on the radio was poorly described by the announcer. "Handoff to Lake, he gets to the line, interception!! INT in the endzone, Hawks ball on the 2." WHAT?? It made no sense what he said, so I tried to make sense of what happened.

I take nothing away from the Huntingdon D. They played great and stuffed us all day long. My comment about "getting something going" was comparative. We could finally get to the LOS and maybe a couple yards past, which was better than the rest of the game. I am trying to forget our last drive of 19 yards in the wrong direction. That is the best indicator of how good their defense played.

Bottom line, we got beat on our own field because we didn't make plays. We were just there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 01:58:21 PM
13-9 TU, Half. Things going south for the Old Gold as Blake Barmore has found his sea legs, so to speak.

DPU has missed an FG, had a FG blocked, had a PAT blocked, thrown a pick and fumbled inside the Trinity 10 yard line. TU, on the other hand, has missed a PAT, thrown two picks, and fumbled inside the DePauw 10.

Can't say I'm surprised by the sloppiness - this game could be really lopsided in either direction. DPU really could be rolling if they'd converted on their first two drives - they got zero points though they were inside the TU 10 both times.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 02:18:31 PM
Quote from: wabco on September 24, 2006, 02:17:12 PM
Looks like Spud is Dicking it up.

Actually, Coach Walker pulled Dick. For Abe Winkle.

I know that's terrible, gramatically, but it makes me giggle.

Since Trinity's live stats have apparently exploded, I'll try and deliver some updates.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2006, 02:19:24 PM
Jeremiah Marks has 166 of DPU's 176 halftime yards.

Looks like Dick has been yanked in favor of Abe Winkle at QB.

Live stats are back now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2006, 02:30:16 PM
It appears that Dick has been reinserted here in the 3rd quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on September 24, 2006, 02:36:12 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 24, 2006, 02:30:16 PM
It appears that Dick has been reinserted here in the 3rd quarter. 

That was a real knee slapper Wally.  You can smack your forehead now.

best regards,
the Arizona Stock Exchange
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 02:37:32 PM
Does either team want to win this game? We've seen two failed 4th-down conversions in the red zone and two fumbles thus far in the third quarter. Still 13-9.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2006, 02:42:09 PM
Guarantee you Dustin Hertel wants to win this game.  He's playing like a man among boys out there today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 02:47:22 PM
Marks from a yard out - DPU back in the lead, 15-13. ANOTHER missed PAT by DPU - total special teams breakdown on their end today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on September 24, 2006, 02:50:44 PM
How would you like to have Marks on your Fantasy League Team today-
Rushing- 132 yards
Recieving- 77 yards
One Touchdown

I don't think I have ever heard of a team with as many problems on the PAT/field goal unit as DPU today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2006, 02:52:16 PM
The way Marks is playing DPU should just go for two on PATs and make sure he touches the ball!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 24, 2006, 02:54:57 PM
Quote from: Werner99 on September 24, 2006, 02:50:44 PM
How would you like to have Marks on your Fantasy League Team today-
Rushing- 132 yards
Recieving- 77 yards
One Touchdown

He'd be doing better for me than the Dolphins' Ronnie Brown.  I'll tell you that much.   :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 03:06:00 PM
TU scores, DPU fumbles the kick. That's four turnovers for the Old Gold, to go with four missed kicks. That's what we call 'not deserving to win'. Hell, it's barely deserving of being in the game at all, which is a credit to the DPU D.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 24, 2006, 03:11:04 PM
isn't it Winkler like in Henry...is this game being "adequately managed"...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on September 24, 2006, 03:15:11 PM
Looks like DPU found another way to lose this game.  Give credit to the TU Tigers for their special teams play and ability to make DPU pay for their mistakes.

Any idea why Marks was not in the game during the three-and-out series in the 4Q?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 24, 2006, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 20, 2006, 07:01:43 PM

Quote from: wally_wabash on September 20, 2006, 05:13:38 PMIt's been what, 8 years now, and Depauw has found a way to lose this game every single time.  Whether it be by the ol' fashioned woodshed whoopin' variety, or the classic "snagging defeat from the jaws of victory" variety, Depauw has found the path to defeat.

Remember when the Seahawks couldn't beat the Rams? As a Hawks fan myself, I sure do. I guess my point is that certain statistical trends have a way of reversing themselves on occasion. No better time than the present - with all due respect to the Black Flag, these ain't your older brother's Trinity Tigers.

It's not your older brother's Trinity Tigers, but Depauw is still Depauw. 

See you on 11/11. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2006, 03:18:27 PM
Quote from: Werner99 on September 24, 2006, 03:15:11 PM
Looks like DPU found another way to lose this game.  Give credit to the TU Tigers for their special teams play and ability to make DPU pay for their mistakes.

Any idea why Marks was not in the game during the three-and-out series in the 4Q?

Well, that seems a bit harsh.  These guys probably didn't hit the sack until after midnight, again in a strange place, etc.  etc.

I was wondering about Marks as well.  You don't take your #1 weapon out without a reason.  Hope he is OK.

Kudos to the DPU administration and staff for all they had to do to make this game happen today. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 03:22:51 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 24, 2006, 03:17:51 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 20, 2006, 07:01:43 PM

Quote from: wally_wabash on September 20, 2006, 05:13:38 PMIt's been what, 8 years now, and Depauw has found a way to lose this game every single time.  Whether it be by the ol' fashioned woodshed whoopin' variety, or the classic "snagging defeat from the jaws of victory" variety, Depauw has found the path to defeat.

Remember when the Seahawks couldn't beat the Rams? As a Hawks fan myself, I sure do. I guess my point is that certain statistical trends have a way of reversing themselves on occasion. No better time than the present - with all due respect to the Black Flag, these ain't your older brother's Trinity Tigers.

It's not your older brother's Trinity Tigers, but Depauw is still Depauw. 

See you on 11/11. 

Oh, believe me, I can't wait for that one - we'll see what Jeremiah can do against that glorified scout team D the Wallies have been running out there.

9-1 might still get us a Pool C... but it would have been nice if we could have made a freaking kick today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 24, 2006, 03:18:27 PM
Kudos to the DPU administration and staff for all they had to do to make this game happen today. 

In regards to this... apparently, nobody on the DPU side knows exactly how or when they'll be returning to Greencastle. At least they didn't as of last night - hopefully they have a plan and they get the guys home safe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 24, 2006, 03:30:04 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 24, 2006, 03:24:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 24, 2006, 03:18:27 PM
Kudos to the DPU administration and staff for all they had to do to make this game happen today. 

In regards to this... apparently, nobody on the DPU side knows exactly how or when they'll be returning to Greencastle. At least they didn't as of last night - hopefully they have a plan and they get the guys home safe.

I had assumed that they would have agreed to stay and play the game only if they had guaranteed flight changes etc.

Wow. I hope they're not stuck here for too long.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2006, 03:58:33 PM

                                    | Team   Player          AttCmpInt Yds TD Lg
                                    | DEPAUW Spud Dick       10- 5- 1  122  0 56
                                    | DEPAUW Abe Winkle       6- 3- 1   41  0 20
    DEPAUW..  3  6  0  6 - 15       | TRINIT Blake Barmore   32-23- 2  235  1 37
    TRINITY.  0 13  0 13 - 26       |
                                  DePauw University         Trinity University
           DEPAUW  TRINITY | ----RUSHING---- #-Yds TD  |----RUSHING---- #-Yds TD
1st Downs    9        24   | Jeremiah Marks 20-132  1  |Greg Bielski   22-67   1
Rushes-Yds 30-124   43-125 | Dorrius Ford    5-12   0  |Blake Barmore  14-53   2
Pass Yds    163      235   | Abe Winkle      2--9   0  |J. Plotnick     2-9    0
Passing    8-16-2  23-32-2 | Spud Dick       3--11  0  |Ben Douglass    1-3    0
Plays      46-287   75-360 |                           |B. Marynowitz   1--1   0
Avg/play    6.2      4.8   | ---RECEIVING--- #-Yds TD  |TEAM            3--6   0
Kick ret    3-40     1-17  | Jeremiah Marks  3-77   0  |
Punt ret    4-59     1-19  | Nick Etzcorn    2-37   0  |---RECEIVING--- #-Yds TD
Int ret     2-15     2-37  | David Araiza    1-20   0  |Matthew Weldon  5-60   0
Fumb ret    0-0      1-0   | Chris Gasbarra  1-16   0  |Anthony Hicks   4-15   0
Fumb-Lost   3-3      2-2   | Bryan Mulligan  1-13   0  |J. Plotnick     3-52   1
Penalties   6-54     4-35  |                           |Greg Bielski    3-26   0
Punts      3-35.0   4-37.2 |                           |Zach Byars      3-24   0
Possession 27:02    32:58  |                           |W. Kuhlmann     2-24   0
3rd-Dn Eff  2/10     5/11  |                           |Riley Curry     2-24   0
4th-Dn Eff  0/1      1/2   |                           |Ben Douglass    1-10   0

Defensive Leaders:
DPU:  Dustin Hertel (11 total tackles/5 solo), 3.0 TFL (18 yds), 1 INT, 15 ret yds/TD, 2 fumbles recovered; Greg Sylvester (9 tackles/6 solo); Eric Lewis (8 tackles/6 solo), 1.0 TFL (1 loss)
TU:  Dylan Nealous (11 tackles/2 solo), 0.5 TFL (1 yd), 1 INT, 31 ret yds; Tyler Flynn (8 tackles/3 solo); 0.5 TFL/Sack; 1 INT, 6 ret yds; Dustin Allen (7 tackles/1 solo), 1 TFL, 1 QBH


Qtr Time  Team       Scoring play                               V    H
1st 02:36 DEPAUW     Brendan Smith 41 yd field goal 4 plays, -5 yards, TOP 2:19    3-0
2nd 12:45 DEPAUW     Dustin Hertel 15 yd interception return (Tyler Mallory kick blocked)    9-0
    07:46 TRINITY    J. Plotnick 9 yd pass from Blake Barmore (Peter Licalzi kick) 11 plays, 80 yards, TOP 4:49    9-7
    00:56 TRINITY    Blake Barmore 14 yd run (Peter Licalzi kick failed) 8 plays, 80 yards, TOP 2:13    9-13
4th 13:21 DEPAUW     Jeremiah Marks 2 yd run (Tyler Mallory kick blocked) 5 plays, 37 yards, TOP 1:39    15-13
    04:46 TRINITY    Greg Bielski 4 yd run (Blake Barmore pass failed) 9 plays, 63 yards, TOP 4:08    15-19
    01:38 TRINITY    Blake Barmore 1 yd run (Peter Licalzi kick) 7 plays, 28 yards, TOP 2:55    15-26
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 24, 2006, 04:39:15 PM
Sigh.... too many miscues.

When you're playing a good team on the road, you can't turn it over and you have be sound in the kicking game. 

5 turnovers and a good sized handful of missed opportunities in the special teams.

Also, DPU lost the time of possession battle, which they almost never do when they win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 24, 2006, 05:25:33 PM
Bonzo,

Did you get make it down to San Antonio for the TU/DPU game; if so did you stay over for the Sunday reschedule? At one point this season you were "big" on the DPU Defense; Trinity had 75 Offensive plays to DPU with 45 Offensive plays, does that say anything about the value of this year's Black Flag?

IMHO Blake Barmore's 53 yards in 14 well timed carries (great play calling by the Trinity coaching staff) was huge; certainly not near the yardage that DPU's Marks had but certainly bigger in terms of the final result. Also, Greg Bielski has started to "come into his own" with several very crisp runs for a total of 67 yards. Comments?

Black Flag, "Apply Directly to the Body".

                                                              :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 24, 2006, 05:54:48 PM
From what I heard around the stadium, DPU is going to BUS back to Greencastle.  That's going to be a looooooooong 25 hours.

The game turned out about like I expected, except for the sloppy special teams play.  DePauw ran the ball almost at will, but the Black Flag tightened up when it needed to most.  If I'm not mistaken, most of those DPU scores came when they had a short field to work with.  TU definitely won the defensive battle today.  I think TU made a great adjustment by letting Barmore run the ball more.  That little zone read they ran worked nicely.  I was impressed with Dustin Hertel - he played lights out. 

The highlight for me was seeing Coach Mohr jump that one kid's butt for getting an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty with something like a minute left in the game.  Ol' Steve-O hasn't lost a step!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on September 24, 2006, 06:28:52 PM
Kudos to whomever put the poll on the front page of d3football.com and calling it the 'Hoosier Dome' and not the sell-out RCA Dome.

Sounds like it was another classic DPU/Trinity game with Trinity doing what needsed to be dont in the closing minutes.

As has been the case for 8 years now (or more) wait till next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2006, 06:31:21 PM
Hmm, that was an error but I guess I'll leave it that way. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2006, 07:45:35 PM
Quote from: etg on September 24, 2006, 05:25:33 PM
Bonzo,

[...] At one point this season you were "big" on the DPU Defense; Trinity had 75 Offensive plays to DPU with 45 Offensive plays, does that say anything about the value of this year's Black Flag?
                                                           :)

Think you have me mistaken for someone else, etg.  Respecting an opponent's capabilities doesn't make one "big" on them.   And just a few days ago I posted the following:

Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 20, 2006, 04:46:31 PM
I left off the word "slightly" in my statement on the defenses, but FWIW:

Trinity has allowed fewer points in three games (24) than DPU has in two (28).   One of those TDs was a ten yard "drive" after a fumble, another was against the second team defense last week after the game was well in hand. 

Trinity is holding teams to 207 yds/game, DPU 233.5.   TU opponents average 3.4 yds/play, DPU opponents 3.7.

As you mentioned, DPU does a great job defending the run, allowing 56 yds and 2 yds/carry to Trinity's 130.3/3.6.  On the other hand, Trinity allows only 76.6 yds passing (3 yds/pass) vs. DPU's 177.5 (5.1). 

DPU holds teams to 15% conversion on third downs vs. 21% for Trinity.   DPU is +6 on TOs to +3 for Trinity. 


Today Trinity got the better of the battle; Blake and Bielski combined for almost as many yards rushing as Marks.   I guarantee you that the coaching staff is not jumping up and down about Jeremiah getting 200 yards of total offense but the 'Flag sure locked down everyone else and forced the turnovers when it had to.  TU did pick a good day to get its first 100+ yard team rushing performance!

ttu719803, DePauw didn't score off of any drive where they didn't start in Trinity territory.  The first score came off a turnover (shades of TLU, except this time the D pushed the opponent back), the second was Hertel's short INT return, the third was after DPU started at the TU 37.   Two 65+ yard drives ended in fumbles. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on September 24, 2006, 07:55:47 PM
Glad to see TU pick up a much-needed win to start things off in conference play.  It's just hearsay from me, since I wasn't a TU follower until '98 (although '98-'02 were great years to be following TUF), but I believe there was a time before Burton/Hampton where the Tigers won games chiefly by running the ball and shutting the other team down with a stout defense (and I also believe there were guys named "Doran" intimately involved on both sides of that equation).  Perhaps the program is starting to rediscover that formula.

Now we just need Oglethorpe to start a football team so I can catch a game every once in awhile.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: firstdown on September 24, 2006, 08:22:39 PM
Looks like DePaw might have been better off for the game to have remainded postponed.  The 25 hour bus ride will provide time for reflection,  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 24, 2006, 08:35:28 PM
Again, kudos for the DePauw folks for finding a way to play this one.  "I thought I could, I thought I could"....  I'm not sure what the night/day double header effect was on the players and coaches,,, but it was tough to maintain focus after all those hours on the pitch at E.M. Stevens.  I'm already looking forward to next years matchup in Indiana.... 

I heard that DePauw was staying over tonight and had gotten flights back tomorrow mid-day.... 

Nothing like a long weekend in SAT at the RiverWalk!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 24, 2006, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 24, 2006, 04:39:15 PM
Sigh.... too many miscues.

When you're playing a good team on the road, you can't turn it over and you have be sound in the kicking game. 

5 turnovers and a good sized handful of missed opportunities in the special teams.

Also, DPU lost the time of possession battle, which they almost never do when they win.

Trinity had quite a few miscues as well.  I would say they cancel each other out.  At home or on the road, Trinity has the better squad which is why they won.  To break it down any other way would be overanalyzing..

As I said weeks ago, it's a big divide between the top tier and the bottom tier in the SCAC.  Unfortunately for DePauw, the divide between the best team and the second best team might be even tougher to overcome.  No one should be surprised at how this turned out.  However, Trinity folks can still be thrilled.  I'd offer my sympathies to DePauw, it's just that I don't have any.  If any coach had gotten four years to work on Trinity, I might feel differently.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 24, 2006, 09:57:04 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 24, 2006, 09:44:34 PM
Trinity had quite a few miscues as well.  I would say they cancel each other out.  At home or on the road, Trinity has the better squad which is why they won.  To break it down any other way would be overanalyzing..

Whoa now, lets not get all overhyped here.  DePauw had a great squad as well.  Remember, if DPU makes some of those kicks, it's a different ballgame.  I would go so far as to say that DPU would have won this one had it been in Greencastle.  They had TU dead to rights before the storm called the game off.  Don't get me wrong, I'm very happy TU won, but let's not let emotion stand in the way of reality.  Trinity won this one because of homefield advantage and the fact that DPU made a few crucial mistakes when they could least afford them.  Those were 2 very evenly matched squads.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 24, 2006, 11:33:48 PM
Quote from: ttu719803 on September 24, 2006, 09:57:04 PM
Whoa now, lets not get all overhyped here.  DePauw had a great squad as well.  Remember, if DPU makes some of those kicks, it's a different ballgame.  I would go so far as to say that DPU would have won this one had it been in Greencastle. 


Hey. Thanks.  I was going to say something similar to that myself.  That's... rather... unlike something I'd expect you to post.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 25, 2006, 10:42:42 AM

You have to be kidding.  I wasn't there and I assumed my conclusion upon reading the game summary.  However, considering that y'all might know better, I read the play by play and I noticed a few things-

1.  Trinity didn't have too many 3rd down conversions because they ran very few 3rd down plays.  I saw a lot of 10+ plays on 2nd and 5.  Especially in the 1st half. 

2.  After the offense coughed it up, the Tiger defense held with their backs against the wall more than once.

3.  Trinity blocked two field goal attempts.

4.  After experiencing place kicking problems, Coach Mohr goes for it inside the twenty and comes up short.  We're a kicker away from a 31-15 game. 

5.   We had three giveaways that were very significant in the final score.  If we hold it on just one of those, we're looking at a 6 point differential. 

6.  As far as "dead to rights" in the first quarter, please.  A team gets two big plays, sets themselves up for scores, and they get nothing. 

Home field is completely overrated.   Maybe your perspective is different because you were there, but as far as I can tell, one team was just plain better than the other.  Throw out all the if we had done this and if they had done that.  Both team made mistakes and the better team won without their best players. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 10:44:27 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 25, 2006, 10:42:42 AM
Home field is completely overrated.   Maybe your perspective is different because you were there, but as far as I can tell, one team was just plain better than the other.  Throw out all the if we had done this and if they had done that.  Both team made mistakes and the better team won without their best players. 

Ehh, not in San Antonio. Perhaps it wasn't a big deal in this game but I think you know full well that Trinity has traditionally had advantages at home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2006, 11:08:16 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 25, 2006, 10:42:42 AM

You have to be kidding.  I wasn't there and I assumed my conclusion upon reading the game summary.  However, considering that y'all might know better, I read the play by play and I noticed a few things-

1.  Trinity didn't have too many 3rd down conversions because they ran very few 3rd down plays.  I saw a lot of 10+ plays on 2nd and 5.  Especially in the 1st half. 

Well, actually TU was 5-11 vs 2-10 for DPU.

Quote2.  After the offense coughed it up, the Tiger defense held with their backs against the wall more than once.

So did DePauw's D.  Trinity was 4-6 in the red zone. 

Quote3.  Trinity blocked two field goal attempts.

And a PAT, while DPU blocked a PAT.  Possible that the field conditions contributed to this?

Quote4.  After experiencing place kicking problems, Coach Mohr goes for it inside the twenty and comes up short.  We're a kicker away from a 31-15 game. 

DePauw could say something similar given their PK problems.

Quote5.   We had three giveaways that were very significant in the final score.  If we hold it on just one of those, we're looking at a 6 point differential. 

And DPU had significant giveaways too (two Marks fumbles inside the TU 20, one inside the ten).

Quote6.  As far as "dead to rights" in the first quarter, please.  A team gets two big plays, sets themselves up for scores, and they get nothing. 

Credit to the TU defense.

QuoteHome field is completely overrated.   Maybe your perspective is different because you were there, but as far as I can tell, one team was just plain better than the other.  Throw out all the if we had done this and if they had done that.  Both team made mistakes and the better team won without their best players. 

Given that Trinity hasn't lost a home conference game in quite a while, I would disagree.  Nearly everyone that plays Trinity has to fly in and overnight.  Trinity teams are very, very good but all you have to do is look at the difference between home and away records the last ten years to realize that there's something to HFA. 

The better team won on Sunday, but it's not like TU blew DPU out of the water.    It's easier to be gracious in victory...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 25, 2006, 12:09:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 25, 2006, 11:08:16 AM
Given that Trinity hasn't lost a home conference game in quite a while, I would disagree.  Nearly everyone that plays Trinity has to fly in and overnight.  Trinity teams are very, very good but all you have to do is look at the difference between home and away records the last ten years to realize that there's something to HFA. 

Well said, Ron.  TU has a definite home field advantage for those exact reasons. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 25, 2006, 12:16:50 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 24, 2006, 11:33:48 PM
Hey. Thanks.  I was going to say something similar to that myself.  That's... rather... unlike something I'd expect you to post.

I am a huge Trinity fan, but I am also a realist.  Trinity fans have a bad rep because of people who spout off about TU being the greatest thing since sliced bread every year, and whine about poll positions and all that.  Before the game, I didn't give DePauw much credit, partially because I hadn't seen them play in 3 years.  But after seeing them I can say that they are a quality team.  I really believe that the reason TU won is homefield advantage.  TU always plays well at home (unless the opponent is an NAIA team) and it's tough for teams from our conference to come to SA.

TU2698 - you said it yourself - you weren't at the game.  Stats don't make anything.  Why don't you go look at the stats from the TU-Millsaps game from 2000 and tell me who was the better team that day based on stats alone.  As the old saying goes...theres 3 kinds of lies:  lies, DAMN lies, and statistics!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 12:28:18 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 25, 2006, 11:47:57 AM
When has Pat or anyone else from outside the SCAC, or TX for that matter recently come down to SAT to see a non-playoff game?

And this is relevant because ... ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 25, 2006, 12:54:20 PM

Look, everyone.  I didn't say anything disparaging about DePauw except the comment about the coaching carousel.  I am quite happy with the result considering that so many seem to be forecasting the end of the TU stranglehold. 

Bonzo, thanks for the itemized break down of my assessment.  It shows what I tried to say several times already.  Both teams made similar mistakes and made some great plays, yet Trinity came out on top.  All things being equal, TU is the better team, still. 

Now consider this:  What is the greater advantage?  Playing at home or playing with all of your best players.  Trinity had one, but not the other.  I would say that having the guys out that Trinity does is a greater obstacle to overcome than DePauw playing on the road.

I can't believe I'm arguing with TU people.  It was an issue of equal footing, literally, and Coach Mohr's team came out on top against a good team. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on September 25, 2006, 12:57:36 PM
Ron, No harshness intended.  I was merely referring to the poor special teams play and turnovers that were such a factor in this particular game.

As with just about any close game like this, each side can point to a handful of plays that would have dramatically changed the outcome. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 25, 2006, 01:40:04 PM
Trinity may have a home field advantage, but they are also a very good team.  If they were an average team, they wouldn't have such a stellar home record.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 25, 2006, 01:41:11 PM

Oh yeah, what was that about Trinity "traditionally having advantages at home?"  I would have to say that when your team is very, very good, that's an advantage.  It's not like we have a deafening crowd or a strange field.  It's like Bill said below. 

In the playoffs, Trinity has lost 4 times at home and 5 times on the road.  That's not much of a discrepancy.  In the regular season over that strectch, it's 8 on the road and 3 at home, which is more visible but not that great.  And as for the DePauw series, we had one score games with them in 2003 and 2004.  One in Greencastle and one in San Antonio. 

We have to travel just as far as anyone else to play.  The difference maker is that the Trinity Tigers are better than most teams.  So stop with this bit about had it been played in DePauw, Trinity might have lost. 

And no, I wasn't there but the play by play reveals a lot more than the box score.  That, to me, is a pretty god indicator of what happened. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 25, 2006, 01:42:53 PM
The games Trinity lost to UMHB at home were very close and competitive.  A break here or there, Trinity could have won the games. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 25, 2006, 01:35:03 PM
Pat, relative because you made the assertion... "but I think you know full well that Trinity has traditionally had advantages at home.".....  based on what????  Something YOU saw???  Something you were told???
What????  I'm just asking???  What are you basing your statement the "you know full well....." on?

Based on observation of more than a decade of results, thanks.

BTW, your own Trinity alum, who I think has seen a lot of games since my last non-playoff trip to San Antonio in 1995, agreed. It isn't just me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 25, 2006, 01:41:11 PM
In the playoffs, Trinity has lost 4 times at home and 5 times on the road. 

Wow -- talk about meaningless stats. Let's instead try the record at home and on the road in the playoffs, maybe?

Since 1999, since that's all I have easy access to:

Playoffs at home: 8-3
Playoffs on road: 1-3
Playoffs neutral: 0-1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on September 25, 2006, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 25, 2006, 01:41:11 PM
In the playoffs, Trinity has lost 4 times at home and 5 times on the road. 

Wow -- talk about meaningless stats. Let's instead try the record at home and on the road in the playoffs, maybe?

Since 1999, since that's all I have easy access to:

Playoffs at home: 8-3


Playoffs on road: 1-3
Playoffs neutral: 0-1
Pat - Why no South Around the Region for last week??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 25, 2006, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 25, 2006, 01:35:03 PM
Pat, relative because you made the assertion... "but I think you know full well that Trinity has traditionally had advantages at home.".....  based on what????  Something YOU saw???  Something you were told???
What????  I'm just asking???  What are you basing your statement the "you know full well....." on?

Based on observation of more than a decade of results, thanks.

BTW, your own Trinity alum, who I think has seen a lot of games since my last non-playoff trip to San Antonio in 1995, agreed. It isn't just me.

What exactly do you mean?  Can we get a straight answer?  Agreed with you on what?  What do we know full well?  Can we get a straight answer, please?  If all you're saying is that Trinity has a good team that doesn't lose often and even less so at home due to better performance, say that.  If you mean something else, say that. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2006, 05:39:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 04:53:33 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 25, 2006, 01:41:11 PM
In the playoffs, Trinity has lost 4 times at home and 5 times on the road. 

Wow -- talk about meaningless stats. Let's instead try the record at home and on the road in the playoffs, maybe?

Since 1999, since that's all I have easy access to:

Playoffs at home: 8-3
Playoffs on road: 1-3
Playoffs neutral: 0-1

Trinity, the good thing about the last 7 playoff seasons is that you have a loss on a neutral field, just like UMHB!  That is kinda fun getting there, isn't it!

UMHB is 5-2 on the road; 0-1 on a neutral field and 0-1 at home!  I think that they want a few home playoff victories and a chance at that neutral site game in Virginia.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2006, 06:11:26 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 25, 2006, 05:37:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 04:48:31 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 25, 2006, 01:35:03 PM
Pat, relative because you made the assertion... "but I think you know full well that Trinity has traditionally had advantages at home.".....  based on what????  Something YOU saw???  Something you were told???
What????  I'm just asking???  What are you basing your statement the "you know full well....." on?

Based on observation of more than a decade of results, thanks.

BTW, your own Trinity alum, who I think has seen a lot of games since my last non-playoff trip to San Antonio in 1995, agreed. It isn't just me.

What exactly do you mean?  Can we get a straight answer?  Agreed with you on what?  What do we know full well?  Can we get a straight answer, please?  If all you're saying is that Trinity has a good team that doesn't lose often and even less so at home due to better performance, say that.  If you mean something else, say that. 

I have never seen so many people get in so much of an uproar over so little.

First:  Trinity has an excellent program.  That is the pre-requisite to everything I (Trinity U class of '81, and whom Pat refers to above) have ever said about HFA as it relates to the school.  So quit thinking that there is some hidden agenda or anything else going on here.

When you look at Trinity's regular home losses over the years (and let's throw out NAIA scholarship Azusa's win in '04), well, there basically haven't been ANY since the program started being a consistent playoff contender.   You have to back to *1995* to find a loss, to Centre ... ironically the next-to-last year Trinity didn't make the post-season.   At the same time the team has seen a number of regular season road losses:   Millsaps (last game of '96 - ruining an otherwise undefeated season), Centre and Millsaps ('00), Gustavus Adolphus ('01), Pomona-Pitzer ('03).   The two teams Trinity lost to in '00 were both .500 clubs.   The Gusties were 7-3 and Pomona was 5-4.   Excluding those wins, three of the last four teams Trinity lost to on the road were .500 or worse.  What other reason is there to lose to such inferior competition if not the travel required?   The guys are good enough to usually overcome this disadvantage, but 5x the losses on the road is significant enough for me to say that the travel to SA is an advantage for TU when they play here and a disadvantage when they don't.  After all, as someone else pointed out, the home crowd itself is not big enough to be a factor.   Hell, look at what happened just a few weeks ago when UMHB travelled to CNU ... they lost.  I don't think too many people (except CNU fans) think that result would be repeated on a neutral field. 

The sole home playoff loss against a travelling team was the loss to PLU the year the Lutes won the championship.  I don't consider UMHB far enough away (2 hours and change) for travel to be a factor.   Everyone else that visited SA came away with a loss ... and with the exception of Hardin-Simmons they were all extended travel, relative to D3 anyway. 

I'm very proud of the job that ALL Trinity athletes do representing the school, because once they get into the post-season in whatever sport they almost always have to hit the road after a round or two in the playoffs.  But it isn't easy, and glossing over the fact that travel is tough for teams, any teams, doesn't do anyone justice. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2006, 07:40:06 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 24, 2006, 08:35:28 PM
Again, kudos for the DePauw folks for finding a way to play this one.  "I thought I could, I thought I could"....  I'm not sure what the night/day double header effect was on the players and coaches,,, but it was tough to maintain focus after all those hours on the pitch at E.M. Stevens.  I'm already looking forward to next years matchup in Indiana.... 

I heard that DePauw was staying over tonight and had gotten flights back tomorrow mid-day.... 

Nothing like a long weekend in SAT at the RiverWalk!

History, I was going to give you a karma for that magnanimous post, then I lost your train of thought.

BFB makes a great case for TU's HFA.  The SCAC is all about HFA and difficult travel.  It is usually a long bus ride to airport where you may get multiple connections and then a long bus ride to the campus.  It always will be that way, because you like your conference the way it is.

HFA? How about the 5,584 that saw CNU beat UMHB!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 25, 2006, 07:57:35 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 25, 2006, 06:30:12 PM
I would publicly accuse BfB of being too 'middle of the road' about the excellence of Trinity's program,,, especially when he was acting as the 'voice of the south region'.

Have you ever heard of "unbiased?"  That's usually what a journalist is required to be.  When Ron was writing the around the south region column, it was his job (I don't know if it actually paid or not!) to be "middle of the road" with respect to his alma mater.  Get a clue, Bob.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 25, 2006, 08:01:44 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 25, 2006, 05:37:10 PM
What exactly do you mean?  Can we get a straight answer?  Agreed with you on what?  What do we know full well?  Can we get a straight answer, please?  If all you're saying is that Trinity has a good team that doesn't lose often and even less so at home due to better performance, say that.  If you mean something else, say that. 

I think what he means is exactly what me and BfB have been saying...TU has a homefield advantage, especially in the playoffs, against teams that have to fly in due not only to travel concerns, but also to the fact that TU has historically performed better at home than on the road.  I think there was one point from 2000 to 2001 that they lost 3 consecutive road games that they should have won.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on September 25, 2006, 08:06:30 PM
My impression is that TU goes to great lengths to get quality student athletes.  The real measure of a team's success is how they perform during times of adversity.  Trinity has lost three excellent impact players to injury and ended up playing a third team and second team quaterback in two games. In spite of these major injuries, and transitions at QB, they continue their success.  In my opinion, it starts with quality people who are well coached and focused.  Sure, it was a close game against DPU, and that says alot for both teams, but the fact of the matter is that TU will continue to be a contender because of the school, families, alumni, and players commitment to excellence.  Spend some time around the athletes, staff and families at Trinity and you'll see what I mean.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 08:10:37 PM
Yes, I mean exactly that. The numbers don't lie, right?

Sheesh, you guys are sensitive. What did you think I meant, that you pipe in excess stadium noise? Excessively water the field on Friday night? Gimme a break.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2006, 08:54:28 PM
If you re-read your own post from 06:30:12 pm then you will know. Get off my back. I'm not addressing your paranoia any further.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2006, 10:56:07 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 25, 2006, 06:30:12 PM
TU2698, BFB, Ralph... sounds to me like guilt by inuendo (sp), guilt my rumor, or as the media says 'spinning a rumor'  I think the TU faithful deserve an explanation, or a retraction!

I would publicly accuse BfB of being too 'middle of the road' about the excellence of Trinity's program,,, especially when he was acting as the 'voice of the south region'.

Travelling a thousand miles to face TU in SAT is (and probably will continue to be) a daunting task.  Not because there's anything 'funny going on',,,,  but because there are plenty of problems associated with the trip....  long multi-segment air flights,,,,  nice hotels, great food and the fabled RiverWalk (which we all know has been the downfall of many)... not to mention the fact that player's families often schedule a 'special long weekend' around the trip to SAT.  The TU coaching staff has worked tirelessly to attract 'quality' opponents to SAT, even having to subsidize their travel.....  The Azusa Pac year was a good example, in order to get a quality opponent down here, we dipped into D2.... oops, that wasn't a great memory.

I agree with TU2698...  give us some facts or NOT,,,, don't just drop it, and leave those accusations out there!  TU is a quality program, and should continue to be!

HM, I would accuse you of being a former parent and homer that wouldn't know an unbiased opinion if someone hit you over the head with it.  I don't know what the heck you are talking about here and doubt you do either.  That may be harsh but it seems you are seeking an apology for something that exists only in your imagination.   Why don't YOU tell us what you think we said, since neither Pat or I seem to know?   ???

Regarding "facts," what would you like see added to my post of 17:10 today?   You seem to think that I'm implying there some other reason for the disparity in home/road success other than the travel involved and it's abundantly clear to most everyone else that I'm not. 

As for being "too middle of the road" regarding Trinity's program, the fact of the matter is that for the three years that I was the SR columnist (2003-2005), Trinity didn't get out of the first round.   And as much as it pained me as an alum to deal with three straight years of losing in the first round, IMO those losses reflect the changing fortunes in the relationship between Trinity and the ASC schools.    If I was writing for TU then I would certainly highlight the positives and gloss over the rest.  On the other hand, a regional columnist (even a hack like me) owes it to their audience to remain neutral.  If I erred on the side of being tougher on my alma mater than some would like, it's OK - they're big boys and don't need any validation from me.  I've made my appreciation for Coach Mohr and Bob King abundantly clear and will continue to do so.  It's harder than hell to put together a winning program with kids smart enough to get into Trinity in the first place and that they have done as well as they have over the years is a credit to the program.   

To close:

Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on September 25, 2006, 06:11:26 PM
I'm very proud of the job that ALL Trinity athletes do representing the school, because once they get into the post-season in whatever sport they almost always have to hit the road after a round or two in the playoffs.  But it isn't easy, and glossing over the fact that travel is tough for teams, any teams, doesn't do anyone justice. 

I can't say it any more plainly than that.  If you think I'm saying anything else perhaps it is time to see an optometrist. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2006, 02:10:13 AM
I'm scared to think about what would have happened on this board if you guys would have lost on Sunday.

Yikes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2006, 09:04:18 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 26, 2006, 02:10:13 AM
I'm scared to think about what would have happened on this board if you guys would have lost on Sunday.

Yikes.

I would have been trying to figure out:

1)  the implications of TU not getting the SCAC Pool A bid,

2)  and where the Selection committee would be sending everyone in the playoffs

3)  and what implication that this outcome and the HSU/LC cancellation might have on the ASC runner-up getting a Pool C bid.  ??? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 26, 2006, 09:05:06 AM
Is Huntingdon trying to join the SCAC?  

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006609150360
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 26, 2006, 10:21:26 AM
Quote from: wilburt on September 26, 2006, 09:05:06 AM
Is Huntingdon trying to join the SCAC?   

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006609150360
If Huntingdon was going to be invited into the SCAC, it surely would have happened by now. It is definitely hard to fill a schedule as an independent and I figure it will get even harder with the new 9 team SCAC next year. Pretty much the only other options right now are the USAC and the ASC or some kind of realignment of some of those schools. Hope something happens soon to get our guys into a conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2006, 10:22:56 AM
Is Huntington a good fit for the conference? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 26, 2006, 10:25:10 AM
With no Phi Beta Kappa chapter and alot smaller endowment, it doesn't look like it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 26, 2006, 10:27:12 AM
And it's Huntingdon, not Huntington.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2006, 10:35:29 AM
Quote from: wilburt on September 26, 2006, 09:05:06 AM
Is Huntingdon trying to join the SCAC?  

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006609150360

I read the article.

I don't know what to make of that Huntingdon football player with his helmet off and screaming with incredible rage at the gold helmeted player on the ground.

Ditto, Hawks, Huntingdon needs a Phi Beta Kappa Chapter, another $50M in endowment, and a vacancy in the SCAC to become a member.

I am concerned about Huntingdon being able to fill their schedule with Colorado College and B-SC coming on board in the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 26, 2006, 11:13:12 AM

I'm not sure they're a good fit for any conference.  Didn't they give a football scholarship to Ben Ganus of Gulf Breeze High School(FL)?   ;)  How's that kid working out?  I know he went because he thought he could play right away. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wilburt on September 26, 2006, 12:05:44 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on September 26, 2006, 10:21:26 AM
Quote from: wilburt on September 26, 2006, 09:05:06 AM
Is Huntingdon trying to join the SCAC?  

http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2006609150360
If Huntingdon was going to be invited into the SCAC, it surely would have happened by now. It is definitely hard to fill a schedule as an independent and I figure it will get even harder with the new 9 team SCAC next year. Pretty much the only other options right now are the USAC and the ASC or some kind of realignment of some of those schools. Hope something happens soon to get our guys into a conference.

You are absolutely correct about your options...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2006, 01:02:45 PM
Hi, guys.  I just wanted to post a quick message to let all the parents, coaches, fans and players of Austin College or Trinity University know that I'll be shooting photos on behalf of d3football.com at Saturday's game in San Antonio.

If anyone has any special requests, please send me a private message or email me offline, and I'll do my best to accommodate it.

And, as always, please check out the images after the game by clicking on the Photo Galleries link on the front page.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 26, 2006, 02:10:14 PM
Josh,

Mrs. Roocru and myself will be there on Saturday.  Looking forward to visiting again.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2006, 02:32:29 PM
Are the roocru's coming to the alumni reception after the game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 26, 2006, 02:33:48 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2006, 02:32:29 PM
Are the roocru's coming to the alumni reception after the game?

I have not gotten any information on this !!  Can you send me something on it?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 26, 2006, 03:16:54 PM
Personally, I'm thankful for D3Football.com, for their coverage (nationwide and South Region) of the Texas teams, and for a great message board to air out opinions, biases, neutralities, and various levels of wisdom and experience.  Thanks to Pat, Ralph, Bob, Ron and all the others who spend so much time and effort here.

I don't have a problem with homers, aginners, or neutrals.  Bottom Line: The games are played between the lines by students who are athletes and nothing we write, say or do can affect their ability to block, tackle, run, kick or throw.  D3 may be the last bastion of the true student athlete ... no athletic scholarships, no tickets to buy ... just hard-nosed football.  These guys will all go "pro" someday ... most in something other than football.

Beyond that, I'm having a heckuva time reading everyone's comments and arguments.  If I were an expert, I'd have an opinion to share ... but I am not.  I just like to watch football and read about our young men. 

Congrats to the Trinity Tigers on a big win over DePauw ... we TU fans are proud of what you've done this season, especially considering all the injuries you've had.  It takes a great staff and team to overcome difficulties and get the "W" no matter what.  I would have liked to see it in person, but the webcast was "almost" as good.  Keep up the good work Jason & Jonny (& Bob).  We appreciate you.

Why can't we just all get along?   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2006, 03:28:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2006, 10:35:29 AMI don't know what to make of that Huntingdon football player with his helmet off and screaming with incredible rage at the gold helmeted player on the ground.

Ralph, et. al.--

As the resident sports photographer in the south, I'm not so sure you've pegged what's going on in this photo correctly.  This is one image from one fraction of one second from Saturday's game.  It's quite possible that the player on the ground wasn't screaming at all, but rather just had adjusted his mouthpiece.  I'm sure his head is red from exertion and having been inside a helmet for some time.

Then again, you may be entirely right.  It's likely there are only about four players that actually know for sure.

What this represents, to me, is the powerful affect a photograph can have on the formation of opinions and the interpretation of facts.  This is precisely why the digital alteration by the freelance photographer working for Reuters during the most recent Israeli/Hamas intefadeh was cracked down on so harshly--he was intentionally digitally altering images to illicit a desired response, rather than simply representing "the news" as it was occuring. 

A picture may be worth a thousand words, but the case of the Huntingdon/UotS photo, a better caption would have certainly helped!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2006, 03:32:52 PM
BTW, Wilburt--I love the pithy tagline at the bottom of your posts! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: moondog on September 26, 2006, 04:06:33 PM
"Ehh, not in San Antonio. Perhaps it wasn't a big deal in this game but I think you know full well that Trinity has traditionally had advantages at home."

What are we all lawyers here? Seems like eveyone is dancing around the issue. Pat, as the creator of this website,  a moderator, and more often than not, the voice of common sence, I don't think it is to much to ask you to clarify the statement. Here I will make it easy... Are you saying that the officiating is biased toward Trinity at home?
There are "advantages" of playing at home. That is why we have home/away series. Do I hope that it is a tough trip to S.A., the Riverwalk is a distraction, or maybe the plane ride is tough?.. YES. That is the advantage of playing at home. I can see why Trinity Fan is upset and wants clarification because no one likes to be called a cheater, directly or indirectly.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on September 26, 2006, 04:33:09 PM
From a DePauw standpoint I will say this.   Trinity is a tough place to play for all the reasons...travel, hotel, heat, meals, and sometimes officiating.  In 2001 we went to San Antonio and go smoked.  2000 (@ DPU),  2002 (@DPU), 2003 (@S.A.), 2004(@DPU) and 2006(@S.A.) have been close games no matter where they have been.

I will be more than happy to come out and say it:  Trinity has either had a better team or played better or done what has needed to be done home or away against DePauw to get the W.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2006, 05:46:26 PM
Also, when you play Trinity, you are playing a very good team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on September 26, 2006, 06:08:33 PM
Yea....that was kind of the point of my last post....no need to repeat me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 26, 2006, 06:13:20 PM
DPU92, Sorry.  I know it is frustrating to get close.  The gap is closing and one of these days...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on September 26, 2006, 06:44:34 PM
Don't really have an opinion on the homefield advantage issue - I watched a lot of SCAC football over 5 seasons and never saw anything that I saw (speaking objectively years later) as outright/blatant homecooking by the officials.  Did the close calls sometimes go the way of the home team a little too often?  Sure, but as others have already indicated, that's to be expected.

Depauw has its share of homefield advantages as well.  It stands alone among SCAC stadiums as being the only one where bees literally attacked me in the press box.  That wasn't cool.

On a completely unrelated note, if anyone in San Antonio would like to airmail me a tub of gravy from Good Time Charlie's on Broadway, I'd be grateful.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2006, 09:55:17 PM
Unbelievable--a Willystyle sighting.  How's UGA treating you?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 26, 2006, 10:47:00 PM
DPU guys:

Did the team make it back okay? Was it by bus like mentioned before or by plane?

I took the Greyhound from Indianapolis to San Antonio at the end of my junior year because I was broke and it was a $59 special. I can safely say those were 26 of the worst hours of my life. Well, except for passing around a bottle of bourbon with some parole jumpers trying to get back to Mississippi before their p.o. found out.

Anyway, I hope they didn't have to take a bus back. It just sucks.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on September 26, 2006, 11:01:35 PM
I did that trip from S.A. to South Bend on a Greyhound...I woke up in what I thought to be hell at one point...turns out I was in Gary...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2006, 11:23:35 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on September 26, 2006, 10:47:00 PM
DPU guys:
Did the team make it back okay? Was it by bus like mentioned before or by plane?

They got back OK.  I guess that they were originally going to bus, but then were able to get a flight Monday morning.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on September 26, 2006, 11:29:48 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 26, 2006, 11:23:35 PMThey got back OK.  I guess that they were originally going to bus, but then were able to get a flight Monday morning.

That's good. Taking a bus would have made for a real short week to prepare for the Chicago game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2006, 01:17:50 AM
Props to Rhodes College, #1 in this survey of 50 campuses.

Click this hyperlink to the Wall Street Journal's,  opinionjournal.com (http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=110009000)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 27, 2006, 08:45:14 AM
Quote from: tTU719803 on September 26, 2006, 11:01:35 PM
I did that trip from S.A. to South Bend on a Greyhound...I woke up in what I thought to be hell at one point...turns out I was in Gary...

So you were actually in hell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2006, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2006, 01:17:50 AM
Props to Rhodes College, #1 in this survey of 50 campuses.

Click this hyperlink to the Wall Street Journal's,  opinionjournal.com (http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=110009000)

Ralph, I took the five question sample survey, and got all five right.  Even so, I could easily see how many of the respondants could have missed a couple.  Those questions weren't just blatantly obvious to someone that really has only had a (high school) overview of the history of the last 100 years!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2006, 11:35:10 AM
Josh, I also took the quiz and got 5 of 5.

The quiz says that the cumulative score for the month of September has been 91.8%.

http://www.americancivicliteracy.org/resources/quiz.aspx

Those questions are not that hard if students were required to master concepts and not just memorize facts for a test, only to forget them later.

Anyone who had read the final exams for high school students from the 19th century understand how education has "dumbed things down".  We consumers and taxpayers deserve more accountability from higher education.  Our "forefathers" (and "foremothers" for the PC crowd) would be shocked and appalled at the state of American higher education.

de Tocqueville would not recognize this country, or would be intrigued by what he saw and predicted might the vulnerabilities.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2006, 11:45:11 AM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2006, 10:15:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2006, 01:17:50 AM
Props to Rhodes College, #1 in this survey of 50 campuses.

Click this hyperlink to the Wall Street Journal's,  opinionjournal.com (http://www.opinionjournal.com/columnists/pdupont/?id=110009000)

Ralph, I took the five question sample survey, and got all five right.  Even so, I could easily see how many of the respondants could have missed a couple.  Those questions weren't just blatantly obvious to someone that really has only had a (high school) overview of the history of the last 100 years!

Furthermore, IMHO, those questions should have been readily answerable to any graduating college senior.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2006, 12:07:34 PM
You really think so? 

I never took a history course in college.  I satisfied my humanities requirements through psychology, sociolgoy and language courses. 

I don't disagree with you at all, personally.  But for the sake of the arguement, I do think that it's always important to keep in mind the "lies, damned lies and statistics" undercurrent inheirent in these types of reports.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2006, 12:37:24 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2006, 12:07:34 PM
You really think so? 

I never took a history course in college.  I satisfied my humanities requirements through psychology, sociolgoy and language courses. 

I don't disagree with you at all, personally.  But for the sake of the arguement, I do think that it's always important to keep in mind the "lies, damned lies and statistics" undercurrent inheirent in these types of reports.

"lies, damned lies and statistics"

...until you take the sample survey yourself, and respectfully, I will bet that you had a high school teacher who first introduced those concepts to you!  Josh, I know you, and you have had a truly outstanding education from some brilliant, yet humble, educators.  IMHO, you are bound to have answered those questions from keeping track of current political debate on top of a learning foundation gained in your secondary education.

There is no doubt that there is an undercurrent in this survey.  Current progressives have been unable to achieve the changes that they wish thru the legislature or the executive, so they have focused on the Judiciary where there are lifetime appointments and minimal further accountability once someone is on the bench.  The other bastion of progressives/liberals has been in tenured academia.  If you do not teach this stuff, then the student has to learn it somewhere else, if they ever do.  Thus dumbing down has the political benefit that it does.

It does not surprise me that the best schools on the survey were the ones that did well.  It also did not surprise me that Williams and Johns Hopkins finished where they did either.

de Tocqueville was impressed with how conversant that the yeoman farmer and simple land owner was with the issues of the day.  The pamphlets and what served as newspapers, partisan as they were, stimulated much political thought.  The Douglas-Lincoln debates of 20 years later are classics in American political thought, and they occurred in the backwoods of an Illinois election for the House of Representatives. (Remember that State Legislatures selected Senators at that time.  The Constitutional Amendment for the popular election of Senators did not pass until ratified as the 17th Amendment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution) in 1913.)

Congratulations to Rhodes!  I am sure that your Board, Administration and Faculty are grateful for the publicity! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2006, 12:44:41 PM
Very early when working on my MBA, one of my graduate school professors once made the following statement in class, and I think it's rather appropoit here:

"Education is the only thing in this country where the consumer seems to want as little service and value for the money they exchange for the product.  Don't let yourself get short changed."

That statement really resonnated with me, and I credit this professor for helping me, personally, to take the step from being a student that kinda went through the motions to one that actively took part in the educational process.  Now when I look back on it, I just wish that I'd achieved that same level of maturity about six years earlier.

Thought that you, and others that may be lurking, might appreciate that, Ralph. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2006, 12:58:11 PM
QuoteThe other bastion of progressives/liberals has been in tenured academia.  If you do not teach this stuff, then the student has to learn it somewhere else, if they ever do.  Thus dumbing down has the political benefit that it does.

I'm going to take a middle-of-the-road stance on this one, Ralph--even though you know which side of the argument I'd choose if forced.  :)

While it may be true that academics, in a generalized, sterotypical sense, tend to lean toward the progressive side of things (if for no other reason than their inherient questioning of everything in the quest for new knowledge), I do think that the majority of faculty members nationwide would much rather see their students master these foundational concepts and ideas--along with other concepts and ideas that they may have not yet been exposed to--rather than inculcating the young and impressionable with what may be their personal views on a given subject. 

I personally know far too many faculty members across this great country to believe that the folks that have recently made headlines for their "interesting" views are anything but the exception, and not the rule.

Unfortunately, it's only the wackos that get the publicity--which leads to further generalizations and stereotyping.   :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2006, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2006, 12:44:41 PM
Very early when working on my MBA, one of my graduate school professors once made the following statement in class, and I think it's rather appropoit here:

"Education is the only thing in this country where the consumer seems to want as little service and value for the money they exchange for the product.  Don't let yourself get short changed."

That statement really resonnated with me, and I credit this professor for helping me, personally, to take the step from being a student that kinda went through the motions to one that actively took part in the educational process.  Now when I look back on it, I just wish that I'd achieved that same level of maturity about six years earlier.

Thought that you, and others that may be lurking, might appreciate that, Ralph. 

I am blessed with parents and grandparents who craved education.

My paternal grandfather was an instructor at Southwestern in the 1920's.  His wife was a pre-WW I high school graduate.

My maternal grandfather went to "Business College" at the turn of the 20th century, long before we had the discipline of Business Administration, and his wife got her "normal" certificate from North Texas.  Your History of Education Theory course that you took will give you those insights.  (We don't even have the foundations for modern medical education until the Flexner Report in 1906.)

I must credit them and my parents for an insatiable curiosity.  I think I became a serious consumer of education before I even knew the concept.  I know my parents were.

I always enjoy our dialogues. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Olinemom on September 27, 2006, 07:50:55 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2006, 12:58:11 PM
QuoteThe other bastion of progressives/liberals has been in tenured academia.  If you do not teach this stuff, then the student has to learn it somewhere else, if they ever do.  Thus dumbing down has the political benefit that it does.

I'm going to take a middle-of-the-road stance on this one, Ralph--even though you know which side of the argument I'd choose if forced.  :)

While it may be true that academics, in a generalized, sterotypical sense, tend to lean toward the progressive side of things (if for no other reason than their inherient questioning of everything in the quest for new knowledge), I do think that the majority of faculty members nationwide would much rather see their students master these foundational concepts and ideas--along with other concepts and ideas that they may have not yet been exposed to--rather than inculcating the young and impressionable with what may be their personal views on a given subject. 

I personally know far too many faculty members across this great country to believe that the folks that have recently made headlines for their "interesting" views are anything but the exception, and not the rule.

Unfortunately, it's only the wackos that get the publicity--which leads to further generalizations and stereotyping.   :-\

Well stated, Josh.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 27, 2006, 09:39:26 PM
O boy, are you guys in for a treat?   ::)  The normal color guy for the Austin College website broadcast is unable to be at Trinity this week and yours truly has been asked to sub in for him!!  :o 

Just wanted to let any interested parties know that this reporter will be doing his first radio gig this week.   All prayers are welcome.   ;)  Radio star, that's what I are !!   :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2006, 09:51:35 PM
Way to go, roocru--moving up to the media!  Make sure to give d3football.com (and the photo galleries) a plug!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 27, 2006, 11:20:04 PM
Meanwhile... it's time for the annual "root for every team that Trinity's playing" to begin.

You go Kangaroos!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Olinemom on September 27, 2006, 11:24:21 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 27, 2006, 09:39:26 PM
O boy, are you guys in for a treat?   ::)  The normal color guy for the Austin College website broadcast is unable to be at Trinity this week and yours truly has been asked to sub in for him!!  :o 

Just wanted to let any interested parties know that this reporter will be doing his first radio gig this week.   All prayers are welcome.   ;)  Radio star, that's what I are !!   :P

I think that is so neat.  You will follow in the footsteps of your son!!  I seem to remember something about him doing a gig to help out last year.  I predict a spanking new career, but don't let them know back at the school district.  They'll just make you clone yourself and be everywhere on Friday nights ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 27, 2006, 11:42:12 PM
Quote from: Olinemom on September 27, 2006, 11:24:21 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 27, 2006, 09:39:26 PM
O boy, are you guys in for a treat?   ::)  The normal color guy for the Austin College website broadcast is unable to be at Trinity this week and yours truly has been asked to sub in for him!!  :o 

Just wanted to let any interested parties know that this reporter will be doing his first radio gig this week.   All prayers are welcome.   ;)  Radio star, that's what I are !!   :P

I think that is so neat.  You will follow in the footsteps of your son!!  I seem to remember something about him doing a gig to help out last year.  I predict a spanking new career, but don't let them know back at the school district.  They'll just make you clone yourself and be everywhere on Friday nights ;D ;D ;D

That's right Olinemom.  CruAlum39 did a game for UMHB last year.  I couldn't let him show me up !!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2006, 12:40:14 AM
roocru, good luck on Saturday!  Just keep it simple - you know more about the program than most of the listeners and all you need to do is share that knowledge and enthusiasm. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 28, 2006, 03:09:23 PM
so back to football, what are the most important games in the SCAC this weekend? and some predictions? just a thought since the games are 2 days away...

Trinity big over Austin. I don't even want to try to attempt a score prediction. But as was said earlier, time to cheer for whomever is playing Trinity.

Sewanee at Centre. Centre wins, but not too easily. 24-10.

Depauw at Chicago. Don't know much about Chicago, so go Tigers. gotta support the SCAC.

I know nothing about Lincoln, so I won't even comment. Once again, go SCAC, go Millsaps.

Wash U. at Rhodes. I'll be at this one, and expect that Rhodes will want to take out their frustration from last week on somebody. This game has always been heated and always been close. I played in two overtime games, as well as a great game last year in St. Louis. I expect this one to be another classic. Rhodes 20-17.

GO LYNX!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 29, 2006, 08:09:05 AM
It's nice to see SCAC fans pulling for other SCAC teams.  I haven't heard much at Millsaps about the game coming up this weekend but here is a link to a story in the local paper that gives a short preview:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060928/SPORTS030105/609280339/1085
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on September 29, 2006, 09:03:56 AM
When I saw this headline ,'Shook, Worthy win QB Club weekly honor', to the following article I thought that Huntingdon's Granger Shook and Chas Worthy had been picked for an award. Turns out to be two high school players who I assume are the younger brothers of the current HC players since they come from the same high schools. Maybe more good help coming to the Hawks in the future!
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060929/SPORTS/609290354/1002

Go Hawks!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on September 29, 2006, 09:25:32 AM
Any DePauw alums going to the Univ of Chicago game on Saturday? Guff, Tyler and I will be there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 29, 2006, 09:38:30 AM
Just a reminder that I'll be at the Austin College/Trinity game tomorrow afternoon shooting pictures for this site.  Be sure to check them out under the Photo Galleries link on the main page!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2006, 01:24:02 PM
Quote from: HunterT on September 28, 2006, 03:09:23 PM
so back to football, what are the most important games in the SCAC this weekend? and some predictions? just a thought since the games are 2 days away...

Trinity big over Austin. I don't even want to try to attempt a score prediction. But as was said earlier, time to cheer for whomever is playing Trinity.

Sewanee at Centre. Centre wins, but not too easily. 24-10.

Depauw at Chicago. Don't know much about Chicago, so go Tigers. gotta support the SCAC.

I know nothing about Lincoln, so I won't even comment. Once again, go SCAC, go Millsaps.

Wash U. at Rhodes. I'll be at this one, and expect that Rhodes will want to take out their frustration from last week on somebody. This game has always been heated and always been close. I played in two overtime games, as well as a great game last year in St. Louis. I expect this one to be another classic. Rhodes 20-17.

GO LYNX!

With two non-conf games, there aren't really any big games on the schedule.

As an aside, the Lincoln game notes (http://www.lincolnu.edu/pages/1345.asp) say the Majors "opened their season with the Backyard Brawl against perennial powerhouse Mississippi College."  Maybe in basketball, but that's the first time I've heard anyone call those guys a football powerhouse.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
MC was probably in that kind of range as a D-II school. Perhaps that's a D-II take on MC?

Or just an error. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 29, 2006, 02:03:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2006, 01:30:08 PM
MC was probably in that kind of range as a D-II school. Perhaps that's a D-II take on MC?

Or just an error. :)

Or it is an over-zealous SID's attempt at hyping up a game against a school that no-one on campus knows about?  It makes Millsaps sound better if they take on powerhouses and makes a win for Lincoln that much sweeter!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 29, 2006, 03:38:34 PM
I have to agree with exmajor. It's an attempt to get people in the stands for a non conference game. Either that or it's parents weekend, and so they have to sound better for the 'rents.

What are the freshmen going to brag about unless it's a loss to a team that almost beat a powerhouse that's not really a powerhouse at all?

Ron, Glad to hear you think Rhodes will take this weekend. I do too, and the feeling around the campus is good. It'll be a fun game to attend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 30, 2006, 02:21:54 AM
The Millsaps/Lincoln game is in Jackson so the "hype" won't affect attendance at Lincoln on Saturday.  I like Millsaps in this one......42-7.  The Majors finally keep a team from scoring much but still pile on the points and get in the win column.  Lincoln has rushed for a total of 23 yards in five games played and scored only 29 points....22 of which came in Lincoln's lone win (a 22-10 victory over Kentucky Wesleyan last week).  Lincoln has given up 189 points on the year.  Yes Millsaps has given up 128 in three games played so the Majors give up 42 points per game and Lincoln gives up 37 points per game....but Millsaps will lower that stat on Saturday.  Millsaps needs a win in the worst way!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 01:12:21 PM
DPU takes the opening kick, drives 63 yards but can't convert a third-and-four at the UChicago 17.  Tyler Mallory hits a 35-yd attempt and DPU is up 3-0 early in the first.

DePauw didn't seem to have much of a problem driving on Chicago, who fumble the resulting kick and turn it back to the Tigers who will start at the Chicago 15.  Marks takes it to the one on the first play, Spud scores on a sneak.  Mallory's PAT is good, DPU up 10-0 now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 01:28:51 PM
Chicago drives, has a first-and-goal from the 8, then lose 21 yards on the next three plays.  They go for it on fourth down but a screen is stopped at the 15, so DePauw takes over there.  Dustin Hertel has a couple of sacks including the one for a ten yard loss on third down.

Winkel now in at QB for DePauw as time is running down in the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 02:30:21 PM
Had to take a break ... beginning of the second half, Maroons turn the ball over on a first-play interception, DPU in business at the Chicago 23.

Marks scores his 31st rushing TD on a six-yard plunge, setting the DePauw standard in that category.  Now 24-0 DePauw early in the third.  I guess on that note I can switch to another game ;-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 02:44:48 PM
Austin drives into the Trinity red zone after a fourth down offsides gave them new life - a Baron Kock sack pushes the 'Roos back and they can't convert a 37-yard FGA.  Trinity can't move on their first series. 

Freshman Kent Bell is at QB for AC and doing a good job so far.  AC is finding running room outside.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 02:53:53 PM
Blake Barmore finds Riley Curry deep for a 74-yard TD, Trinity leads 7-0 with 1:32 left in the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 03:03:53 PM
Millsaps leads 28-0 late in the first half against D2 Lincoln. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 30, 2006, 03:09:56 PM
Millsaps up 35-0 now with about 4 minutes to go in the 2nd quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 30, 2006, 03:11:44 PM
My apologies....Millsaps up 35-0 over Lincoln with just under a 1 minute to play in the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 03:17:09 PM
Ryan Cowley scores on a 1-yd pitch, PAT is good and it's tied at 7 with 4:03 left in the first half.  Austin converted on a fake punt for nearly 40 yards of the 13-play, 80-yard drive.   The other 12 plays were all running plays as the 'Roos continue to have success running the ball. 

Trinity brings in freshman RB Matt Moorfield, who has some success running the ball, as does Barmore, and on third-and-four from the six Barmore finds Jason Plotnick in the endzone.  The PAT hits the upright and is no good; Trinity leads 13-7 with 35 seconds remaining in the first half. 

First half stats:

Down: 1    Qtr: 2                   | Team   Player          AttCmpInt Yds TD Lg
ToGo: 10   0-0 Start 00:31          | AUSTIN Kent Bell        5- 4- 0   33  0 12
Ball: AUSTIN25                      | AUSTIN Clint Rushing    1- 1- 0   36  0 36
<*> AUSTIN..  0  7 -  7             | TRINIT Blake Barmore   11- 8- 0  124  2 74
    TRINITY.  7  6 - 13             |
                                  Austin College            Trinity University
           AUSTIN  TRINITY | ----RUSHING---- #-Yds TD  |----RUSHING---- #-Yds TD
1st Downs    9        8    | Ross Hasten     8-45   0  |Blake Barmore   4-42   0
Rushes-Yds 28-84    11-64  | Ryan Cowley     5-28   1  |Matt Moorefiel  2-13   0
Pass Yds     69      124   | Zaq Mamot       4-6    0  |Greg Bielski    5-9    0
Passing    5-6-0    8-11-0 | Chris Weidner   1-3    0  |
Plays      34-153   22-188 | Kent Bell      10-2    0  |---RECEIVING--- #-Yds TD
Avg/play    4.5      8.5   |                           |Riley Curry     4-99   1
Kick ret    1-24     1-29  | ---RECEIVING--- #-Yds TD  |W. Kuhlmann     2-22   0
Punt ret    1-2      0-0   | Eric Shon       2-16   0  |J. Plotnick     1-6    1
Int ret     0-0      0-0   | Austin Coachma  1-36   0  |Matthew Weldon  1--3   0
Fumb ret    0-0      0-0   | Danny Gober     1-11   0  |
Fumb-Lost   1-0      0-0   | Taylor Howard   1-6    0  |
Penalties   2-10     1-5   |                           |
Punts      2-44.0   2-42.0 |                           |
Possession 19:37    09:48  |                           |
3rd-Dn Eff  4/9      2/4   |                           |
4th-Dn Eff  1/1      0/0   |                           |
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 30, 2006, 03:20:37 PM
At halftime, the Majors lead 42-0 over Lincoln in Jackson.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 03:37:52 PM
Wow, with all due respect to Millsaps Lincoln must really suck  :D  WTG Majors on representing D3!

Would love to get a Rhodes update but Wash U is not broadcasting and you have to pay $5 to get the Lynx webcast.  Sorry, no.   >:(  According to the D3scoreboard it's 0-0 at the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 03:48:32 PM
DePauw is up 31-6 with 10 minutes to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 03:58:00 PM
On the first drive of the second half, Matt Moorefield scores from 4 yards out to put Trinity up, 20-7.  11:54 to play in the third.   

AC gets one first down but that's it.  Trinity drives right down the field and mostly on the ground.  Greg Bielski scores from 10 yards out to put Trinity up 27-7, 5:51 to play in the third.  AC starts at their 5 after the kick hits an AC player and bounces out of bounds.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 04:29:55 PM
Fourth quarter in San Antonio ... AC fumbles at their 30, Dustin Allen recovers for the Tigers.  Jacob Cannon now in at QB.  Greg Bielski scores his second rushing TD on an option from ten yards out, Trinity now leads, 34-7, with 9:20 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2006, 04:43:43 PM
Centre 14, Sewanee 0

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/football_index.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 04:46:10 PM
Trinity intercepts JR Ohr's pass to snuff out the last AC drive, and runs out the clock.  Trinity 34, AC 7, final.  Next up:  Huntingdon in Alabama.

Final stats:

Down: 4    Qtr: 4                   | Team   Player          AttCmpInt Yds TD Lg
ToGo: 11   10-37 Used 06:58         | AUSTIN Kent Bell        5- 4- 0   33  0 12
Ball: AUSTIN16                      | AUSTIN Clint Rushing    2- 1- 0   36  0 36
    AUSTIN..  0  7  0  0 -  7       | TRINIT Blake Barmore   16-11- 0  174  2 74
<*> TRINITY.  7  6 14  7 - 34       | TRINIT Jacob Cannon     3- 3- 0   36  0 15
                                  Austin College            Trinity University
           AUSTIN  TRINITY | ----RUSHING---- #-Yds TD  |----RUSHING---- #-Yds TD
1st Downs    12       21   | Ryan Cowley     9-53   1  |Matt Moorefiel 10-75   1
Rushes-Yds 45-148   35-191 | Ross Hasten    10-49   0  |Greg Bielski   10-48   2
Pass Yds     78      210   | Kent Bell      14-20   0  |Blake Barmore   5-45   0
Passing    6-10-1  14-19-0 | Chris Weidner   3-16   0  |Thomas Ferrant  2-12   0
Plays      55-226   54-401 | Zaq Mamot       6-8    0  |J. Plotnick     1-8    0
Avg/play    4.1      7.4   | Taylor Howard   1-7    0  |John Hoyt       2-8    0
Kick ret    4-54     2-52  | Eric Herrera    2--5   0  |Jacob Cannon    5--5   0
Punt ret    3-36     2-34  |                           |
Int ret     0-0      1-14  | ---RECEIVING--- #-Yds TD  |---RECEIVING--- #-Yds TD
Fumb ret    0-0      0-0   | Eric Shon       3-25   0  |Riley Curry     6-152  1
Fumb-Lost   3-1      1-0   | Austin Coachma  1-36   0  |W. Kuhlmann     2-22   0
Penalties   5-50     3-20  | Danny Gober     1-11   0  |Shawn Thompson  1-15   0
Punts      5-44.6   4-40.5 | Taylor Howard   1-6    0  |Reagan Lewis    1-14   0
Possession 31:56    28:04  |                           |Matt Moorefiel  1-7    0
3rd-Dn Eff  6/14     3/8   |                           |J. Plotnick     1-6    1
4th-Dn Eff  1/1      0/0   |                           |Greg Bielski    1--3   0
                           |                           |Matthew Weldon  1--3   0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 04:52:20 PM
Wesley leads at Huntingdon, 38-17, late in the game.  Sounds like star Hawk WR Colson went out in the third with an ankle injury.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 30, 2006, 04:57:43 PM
Final score from Jackson:  Millsaps 52 - Lincoln 10

Ron,
Millsaps played good football from what I heard during the broadcast.  True, Lincoln is a scholarship program that is not very good.  Nevertheless, let's give the Majors their due regards.  They can move the football a little bit, and I like the Majors' chances next weekend vs. Centre in Jackson. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2006, 05:03:09 PM
No offense intended, Consultant.  You don't put 42 points up on anyone in a half without playing pretty well!

You just wonder about people giving away "athletic" scholarships to a team like that (Lincoln).   ;D  Congrats to the Majors on the big win!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 30, 2006, 05:42:05 PM
Ron,
Yeah...no kidding.  Hopefully the kids are taking advantage of an opportunity to go to school. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 01, 2006, 12:00:25 PM
sounds like the SCAC had a good day,

Sorry for the late update from Memphis, had to celebrate.

Rhodes - 6
Wash U. - 3

huge offensive barn-burner. the defenses both played great all game long, really only giving up drives on the last two drives of regulation. it was a great game, with big plays throughout. very glad I was here to enjoy it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 02, 2006, 04:13:43 PM

Alright, so it's obviously a slow day in the SCAC.  I guess there was no controversy surrounding last weekend or this coming weekend.  A slow day merits posts such as the one you are about to read. 

The Gulf South is about to see a scheduling arrangement that can be likened to all the planets being perfectly aligned in that it just doesn't happen very often.  In one day, there are going to be two games between Division III schools that can both be seen by the same person.  Millsaps, with a 7:00 kickoff, can be seen following Trinity at Huntingdon(1:00) provided the fan hurries to the car after the last play runs off the clock.  That is, of course, if the game is close and both teams have success running the ball. 

This kind of thing goes on in Ohio every weekend, but here in the Gulf South, no.  It probably has happened with the two MC's recently now that Millsaps has lights, but I'm paying attention because I'm a TU alumnus and Montgomery is in striking distance from New Orleans, which is where I am.  Anyway, I would try it myself if I didn't have coaching duties, but I issue the challenge to anyone who is crazy enough to try to make it work.  I have a hard enough time getting Millsaps alumni to just go to Jackson for the day so I can't believe there are too many that have the guts. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 02, 2006, 05:59:00 PM
According to Microsoft Streets & Trips it's 248.4 miles from Huntingdon to Millsaps. Considering that over half of that is non-interstate highway, I don't know how possible it is for that to be done in less than 4 hours. Maybe if TU-HC is a really quick game and you leave before it's over and you have a really good radar detector, you might be able to do it and not miss too much of the CC-MC game. I know I am not the one who is going to try it. Good luck to whoever tries though.
I could maybe call my brother-in-law, who is a sheriff's deputy near Jackson, to see if he can have his friends look out for you and let you through, but I don't know if he could since he already had to get me out of a ticket on my trip to Millsaps a couple of weeks ago.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 02, 2006, 07:07:57 PM
Living in Dallas and having 2 daughters attend Auburn (WAR EAGLE!!!!), I believe that I can speak to the Montgomery to Jackson leg.

1)  Get out of Montgomery in a hurry.  If you need to catch the last of the HC game on the radio, then you can cheat.

2)  Divided highway to Selma.  Drive in the right hand lane;  you may try to set the cruise control at 5-7 miles above the speed limit.  Only get in the left lane to pass "slower" traffic.  This time, do not stop at the historical markers of the 1963 Selma to Montgomery March.  Bring the family back for the historic vacation.

3)  I cannot figure out how to make better time thru Selma.  Just observe the speed limit.

4)  Hwy 80 is divided almost to Uniontown.  Repeat #2.

5)  Careful thru Uniontown and the only smoky that I have ever seen is on the west end of Uniontown, going from Perry County to Marengo County.

6)  Demoplos is Demopolis.  No way to make time here.

7)  West of Demopolis, if you can avoid getting behind a lumber-hauler, then you can probably make a little time.  I am not sure how much progress they have made widening the road this summer.  You might get lucky.

8 )  You can get on I-20 at Cuba.  Last chance for a very, very quick bathroom break is here, two stations on the South side (left side) of the road before getting on I-20.

9)  I -20.  Get in the right hand lane; drive 78 MPH, and generously accelerate in the left lane when you need to pass "slower" traffic.  Then get back into the right lane.  Drive carefully thru Meridian.  (Don't stop at the Jimmie Rodgers Museum (http://www.jimmierodgers.com/).)  Be careful not to take I-59 to N'Awlins.

10)  Road construction in jackson was horrible ast winter.  Uneven pavement, strange lane configurations, speed limts.  Have they fixed it yet?  120 miles across Mississippi in hopefully about 95-100 minutes.  You just might make it! ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 02, 2006, 08:10:42 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Montgomery & Jackson)


TU2698,
Why not just relax and stay in Montgomery for a while to enjoy the victory?

                                                           :)

                                                 TOC     :D
                                              "Tigers of Course"

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 02, 2006, 09:11:31 PM
But if you do go to Jackson, you can get some Red, Hot and Blue to eat after the game...now THAT'S good eating!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 02, 2006, 09:46:38 PM
Since this seems to be a slow week for the SCAC, I was looking at some stats and here are a few that stood out:

Team Positive Stats*:
Rhodes - #3 in Total Defense (149 yds/gm)
Trinity - #1 in Pass Efficiency Defense (55.9 eff.)
Millsaps - #13 in Scoring Offense (38 pts/gm)
Austin - #5 in Team Net Punting (37.58 yds/punt)
Trinity - #11 in Team Kickoff Returns (26 yds/ret)

Team Negative Stats*:
Millsaps - #218 in Totaly Defense (430.5 yds/gm)
Austin - #218 in Passing Offense (67 yds/gm)
Millsaps - #221 in Pass Efficiency Defense (169.8 eff)
Centre - #227 in Team Kickoff Returns (11.2 yds/ret)

*-229 teams ranked for D-III

Individual Stats:
Tyson Roy (Millsaps) - #8 in All purpose yds (182.3 yds/gm) very impressive for a RB
Tyler Mallory (Depauw) - #7 in FG per game
Clint Rushing (Austin) - #3 in Punting (42.8 yds)
Dustin Hertel (Depauw) - #7 in TFL (2.6 per game), #13 in Sacks (1.3 per game)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2006, 08:57:59 AM
While I can't image anyone really driving like a bat out of hell to catch a SCAC doubleheader, it is all a moot point.  According to the SCAC scoreboard, the Millsaps game kicks off at 1:00 and the Trinity game kicks off at 1:30.  So, knowing that you can only make one game, I think everyone should come to Jackson because it promises to be a heck of a game as Millsaps finally gets into their SCAC schedule.

If you can't get to Jackson, then listen to the game on radio.  Here's the link to the local station that carries the games:  http://www.espnradio1240.com/

Regarding last weeks game vs. Lincoln University, it obviously was a step down in competition since Millsaps was leading 42-0 at the half, but I suspect that Millsaps was a much improved team going into that game since they were coming off a bye week.  Millsaps is a 1-3 team that could easily be 3-1 and they are a team that seems capable of putting a lot of points on the board.  The big question will be how much has the defense improved during the 3 week gap between the Huntingdon game and the Centre game?  That is the factor which will most likely decide the outcome of the game and I don't know if the Lincoln game gave us a solid answer to that question.

And finally, I just posted the photos from the Lincoln University game.  Look under the "Football 2006" section on the Millsaps photo page:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 03, 2006, 09:26:17 AM
According to all four schools' websites:
• Centre @ Millsaps (in Jackson MS), kickoff @ 1:00pm
• Trinity @ Huntingdon (in Montgomery AL), kickoff @ 1:00pm

TU2698, this is a no-brainer!  Hope the Tigers will not disappoint you and handle the Hawks this week ... the TU running game finally got on track this week ... I believe the O-Line has gelled now and the Tigers are on a roll.  The Hawks will be tough, especially in their house ... should be a good test.  Let us know what you think after you've seen them.

GO TIGERS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 03, 2006, 10:02:46 AM

On the d3football.com site, it says the Millsaps game is at 7:00.  Still, as Frank pointed out, it is a moot point for me because I have a 12/13 year old game to coach at 10:30 am.  Oh well, it made for some pretty good posts that clearly display the lack of excitement for this week.  Although, I really hope that the Tigers aren't flat this week.  The Hawks have clearly been saving their best performance for someone.  I won't be enjoying the victory until I see a final score.  In truth, I'm a little nervous.  I have to think Huntingdon is good enough to beat an uninspired Trinity team.  If the Hawks were having a better year, I might be more confident. 

Hopefully the score will show on the Superdome ticker at the Tulane/Rice game. ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2006, 11:25:43 AM
Thanks for the update, guys. The communication from some schools isn't exactly comprehensive. If all we get is a preliminary schedule and no updates, then shoot, what are we going to do?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 03, 2006, 02:20:29 PM
I'm hopeful that images from this past weekend's game between Trinity and Austin College will be up later this afternoon. 

For those that are interested, please keep checking the Photo Galleries link on the front page of the site.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 03, 2006, 10:25:57 PM
Long week and I just got back to my computer.  Just wanted to let you know I had a ball doing the Austin College play by play.  ;D  Shout out to El Tea Gray for stopping by the booth after the game.

I was extremely proud of my Roos this weekend.  They played a great first half but couldn't match up with Trinity for the whole game.  During the first half they led on time of possesion by a 20 minutes to 10 minutes margin. That is the type of game that I think Coach Gage is striving for. This is the fourth time I have seen them this year and they continue to get better each time !!!  I think they definitely have a chance to chalk up a couple of SCAC wins. 

Go Roos !!  Go Cru !!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 03, 2006, 11:37:30 PM
New week.  New TU opponent to root for.

Go Hawks. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2006, 12:03:04 AM
Well, except for the fact that a L here doesn't help DePauw.  In fact, it could actually (slightly) hurt your chances to get a playoff bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 04, 2006, 12:56:52 AM
Seems like it doesn't matter what Trinity does, it hasn't helped DPU get a Pool C.

I just like rooting against you.  Can you blame me for that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2006, 11:30:19 AM
Whatever floats your boat ... tho I'd rather see both go 9-1 and both get bids. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 04, 2006, 11:34:24 AM
Ron--Check your Private Messages.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 04, 2006, 06:42:50 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: More on Montgomery & Jackson)


I think that Montgomery is on "Eastern Daylight Time" and Jackson is on "Central Daylight Time". Someone please CORRECT me if I am wrong; this info now will only be necessary for radio or webcast purposes.  Comments?

                                                           :)

                                               "Go Black Flag"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 04, 2006, 07:10:24 PM
Ron, if they both go 9-1, do you think they will both get bids?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2006, 07:51:13 PM
Quote from: etg on October 04, 2006, 06:42:50 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: More on Montgomery & Jackson)


I think that Montgomery is on "Eastern Daylight Time" and Jackson is on "Central Daylight Time". Someone please CORRECT me if I am wrong; this info now will only be necessary for radio or webcast purposes.  Comments?

                                                           :)

                                               "Go Black Flag"

No, the Eastern Time Zone ends at the Chattahoochee River/Georgia/Alabama border, 15 miles west of LaGrange GA.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 04, 2006, 08:07:49 PM
4thandalong4,

I saw that and I don't appreciate it.  Please don't do it again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 04, 2006, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 04, 2006, 07:10:24 PM
Ron, if they both go 9-1, do you think they will both get bids?

I think a 9-1 DePauw would get a bid, unless UMHB beats HSU and they both end up 9-1 as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2006, 08:16:10 PM
Quote from: tTU719803 on October 04, 2006, 08:11:44 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 04, 2006, 07:10:24 PM
Ron, if they both go 9-1, do you think they will both get bids?

I think a 9-1 DePauw would get a bid, unless UMHB beats HSU and they both end up 9-1 as well.

If UMHB beats HSU, the best that HSU can do is 8-1!

Shall we say,  "Lightning strikes again!" :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2006, 11:07:15 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 04, 2006, 07:10:24 PM
Ron, if they both go 9-1, do you think they will both get bids?

With the number of Pool Cs available, a 9-1 DePauw (with a quality win against Wabash) would be a strong contender.   Nothing is ever definite.

There's no reason an ASC pool C would keep a SCAC pool C from happening.  It's all in the numbers and there are going to be a lot of contenders fall by the wayside before the end of the season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CNULifer on October 04, 2006, 11:08:51 PM
GO UMHB!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2006, 12:38:47 PM
Been awfully quiet this week.  Let's look at Saturday's games:

Rhodes (3-1, 1-0 SCAC) at Austin (2-3, 0-1) - The Lynx make their first trip to Sherman in a battle of the SCAC's #1 rushing offense (AC, 169 yds/game) and rushing/scoring defense (Rhodes, 49 yds, 8.5 ppg).  Austin hung with Trinity last week for a half while Rhodes defeated WashU in OT in a defensive slugfest.  AC is on the right track but probably will be hard-pressed to find rushing room and points.  Rhodes 21, AC 7.
       
Centre (3-2, 1-1 SCAC) at Millsaps (1-3, 0-0) - the SCAC's Jekyll and Hyde visits a Millsaps team that is five points away from 3-1.  Not a whole lot of defense being played by the Majors, but the combination of Juan Joseph, Tyson Roy, and the fact that this is DuBose's first SCAC game all point to a win by the home team.  Millsaps 34, Centre 20
       
Trinity (4-1) at Huntingdon (3-2) - not too many people would have put three L's down at this point for these two programs.  Huntingdon could have been 2-3 had not Millsaps screwed up a two-point/XP try at the end of their game.   It's Trinity's first real road game of the season, but the Black Flag defense is among the leaders nationally in terms of passing yardage allowed (94 yds/game).  Zach Golson had a good game against the TU secondary last season (217 yards), and will try to duplicate that feat, but an injury suffered last week by star WR Roger Golson could come into play.  With a win, Huntingdon would "lead" the conference with a 5-0 record vs. the SCAC.  My heart says TU will win this one, my head says Huntingdon, and both agree that it will be close.
       
Sewanee (2-3, 0-1 SCAC) at DePauw (4-1, 0-1) - Despite the record, on paper this one looks close ... until you get to the details.  Sewanee actually has more first downs than anyone in the conference, but only Austin College is worse in the red zone.   The visiting Tigers have only converted 10 of 17 opportunities, 9 of which were on the ground.  The homestanding DPU defense is nearly as good as SCAC-leading Trinity at keeping teams from scoring in the 'zone and plays the run pretty well.   DePauw wants to win out to preserve Pool C chances, and that's bad news for their opponents the rest of the way.  DePauw 27, Sewanee 14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 05, 2006, 01:37:01 PM
Great analysis, Ron!!!  +1! ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 05, 2006, 03:24:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 05, 2006, 12:38:47 PM
       
Centre (3-2, 1-1 SCAC) at Millsaps (1-3, 0-0) - the SCAC's Jekyll and Hyde visits a Millsaps team that is five points away from 3-1.  Not a whole lot of defense being played by the Majors, but the combination of Juan Joseph, Tyson Roy, and the fact that this is DuBose's first SCAC game all point to a win by the home team.  Millsaps 34, Centre 20
   

Not to mention the fact Ron that Dubose specifically said he was going to use non-conference as a tune-up of sorts with his real focus being on conference play.  Although I am not fond on this strategy, maybe he has accomplished what he wanted and has the Majors primed for a run through the SCAC???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 05, 2006, 04:33:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 05, 2006, 12:38:47 PM
Sewanee (2-3, 0-1 SCAC) at DePauw (4-1, 0-1) - Despite the record, on paper this one looks close ... until you get to the details. 

Does Sewanee have something to prove after a 34-0 loss in the Domain last year?

Satterfield threw two picks and got beat up pretty badly by the DPU front 7 on a foggy afternoon on top of the mountain, if memory serves.  Marks went for a school record 5 TD's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2006, 07:41:49 PM
3619, Does Sewanee have something to prove?  Without doubt.  Can they?  Doubtful.   ;)

Ex, I'm not quite sure I'd go that far yet.  Dubose can't be happy with the defensive play yet and they Majors still have to face strong defensive teams such as DePauw, Rhodes, and Trinity.

Speaking of Trinity:  according to a blurb in today's Express-News, "former Trinity wide receiver Jerheme Urban is in San Antonio working with the Tigers' football team."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 06, 2006, 09:14:47 AM
A few quick thoughts from someone who is hardly an expert:

I've seen all 4 Millsaps games this year and I don't really know what to expect this Saturday.  It's been three weeks since they lost to Huntingdon in the closing second.  On that day the two teams on the field were very evenly match and it is no fluke that the game came down to the last play.  Seeing Huntingdon's success against other SCAC gives me hope that Millsaps will do well in SCAC play, but I think I have to see an SCAC victory before I get my hopes too high.

I think Millsaps will be much improved over the team that played Huntingdon 3 weeks ago.  It's almost like the coaches had 3 games at the start of the season to learn about the team and then they started the year over again with 2 weeks of practice, a scrimmage game against Lincoln, and then another week of practice to get ready for Centre.  If Millsaps stays healthy, plays up to their potential on the road, and gets a break or two, I could see them still being in the hunt for the SCAC crown when Trinity comes to town November 11th.

And finally, about the comments that Millsaps was willing to take losses in the pre-conference games in order to put into place the things they needed to succeed in the conference games.  I know that sounds like an excuse that might be trying to justify a 1-3 start, but in all fairness it was what I was hearing even before the start of the season.  I also know that they moved senior Josh Hanna from a starting defensive back position in 2005 to wide receiver this season and I'm sure it would have helped the defense if he had been playing defense at the start of the year.  That seems to go along with the idea that the coaches were willing to let the defense struggle early if it would lead to a stronger team by mid-season.  I'll guess we'll learn a lot tomorrow afternoon when Centre takes on Millsaps at Harper Davis field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2006, 01:16:41 PM
Huntingdon has posted an extensive pre-game writeup (http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/football/gamenotes) on their web site.  WR Mark Colson (42 catches, 659 yards, 4 TDs to lead the team in all categories) is not listed on the two deep.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 06, 2006, 01:28:04 PM
I guess the sprained ankle from last week hasn't healed enough to allow him to play. That's a bummer. Hope the other guys are ready to step it up a notch. Those are some big shoes to fill.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 06, 2006, 04:36:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 06, 2006, 01:16:41 PM
Huntingdon has posted an extensive pre-game writeup (http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/football/gamenotes) on their web site.  WR Mark Colson (42 catches, 659 yards, 4 TDs to lead the team in all categories) is not listed on the two deep.

Ron, that pre-game write-up does a southern football fan proud!  ;)

On it is only about 8 pages shy of an average SEC write-up!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 06, 2006, 04:41:17 PM
Ron, are you going with your heart or your head?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2006, 05:32:57 PM
If Colson can't play, I'll go with TU.  The Hawks have a very good #2 WR, Jacob Godwin, who is averaging nearly 100 yds/game, but easier to defend one very good WR than two.   Of course, one of the other WRs, given the chance, could end up having a career day, but I'll stick with my alma mater.  C'mon guys, make a statement. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 06, 2006, 06:31:48 PM

Wow.  That Huntingdon pregame report sure was helpful.  If I hadn't known that two players on their roster had played in homecoming of sorts for the Millsaps game because they were both from Jackson, I don't know if I'd get as much out of following the game.  There were all kinds of little details that were just as relevant to the game as the one I pointed out.  Well, if they can give Ben Ganus an athletic scholarship (as was reported in the Gulf Breeze paper last spring), I suppose it makes sense to hype the group like an SEC program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2006, 07:02:17 PM
Even the dead horse is beginning to complain. Please stop beating it.

Lots of newspapers make that same mistake every year, after all, but even we don't hold the schools responsible the way you seem to be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 06, 2006, 09:15:03 PM
To those that may be waiting...

Pat and Ryan have the photo gallery updated on the front page of this site with images from last weekend's Trinity/Austin College game.

Check out the images, and be sure to thank Pat and Ryan--they had to deal with a significant server issue this week, and have done a nice job getting everything restored the way it should be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 06, 2006, 10:10:32 PM
Ron, great stuff on the games. Very helpful. The Rhodes/Austin game has been moved up to NOON central to allow for easier travel back to Rhodes. I know they took a bus, and they took two days to make the trip. Hopefully that will help ease some of the travel weariness.

I think if the Rhodes D plays the way that they've been playing, they should walk. From what I've picked  up about Austin, the run game is the center of their attack.  Rhodes has had problems in the past with running oriented teams (Millsaps in 2004, that game still hurts me.) but this is a different Rhodes defense and a very confident and fired up team. A big overtime win last week was just what they needed to bounce back after Huntingdon. They should feel great and go in strong.

Rhodes - 31
Austin   - 9

maybe a little overzealous, but it's my alma-mater, I can do that.

I hope Trinity wins big, strictly out of the frustration over two losses to Huntingdon in the last two years. The only time you'll hear me say this when it applies to Trinity, GO TIGERS.

I think the best "true" SCAC game will be the Millsaps/Depauw game. Can't wait to read about it.

Glad to finally have a real conference weekend going.

GO LYNX!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 06, 2006, 10:18:54 PM
Pat,

I do and always will think that situation was funny, live or dead.  That's the only time I've read about a principal, parents, a player, and a writer colaborate on something so erroneous.  It's amusing to me particularly because he hasn't done much.  Perhaps I should have selected some animation to make my point.  Relax, man.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 07, 2006, 12:15:30 AM
Hey Ron,

This might have already been brought up and I missed it, but I'll ask it anyway.

How come you don't write the South portion of Around the Region anymore?

That Allman dude that writes it now sure does love him some ASC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 07, 2006, 02:32:43 AM
I agree with Ex-Major and I'm not so sure treating non-conference games as tune-ups is the way to go, but I believe that when rebuilding a program you've got to split the season in two.  I'm quite certain that Mike Dubose has planned this season with an eye toward reality.  I'm sure he thought, "If I can get my team better each week and ready for conference play that maybe, just maybe, we can do some damage in conference play."  I'd like to think Millsaps will be able to put some points on the board, and I'm willing to bet that Millsaps will be able to make running the ball difficult for the Colonels.  However, if Centre chooses to air it out then they better do so with precision....I'd be afraid to give Millsaps the ball.  Juan joseph has proven that he can lead the Majors to the end zone, and tyson Roy has proven that he is dangerous whenever he touches the ball. 

My pick:  35-17......I like Millsaps at home in the biggest game of the year for the Majors thus far.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 07, 2006, 03:52:50 AM
If the Major's offense is on target, they will win. Having watched Centre, it should be an interesting game. But if Millsaps can get the ball moving down the field, they'll put it in the endzone, easy. Centre's defense isn't as impressive as it should be, and if Millsaps is really putting up as much points as the stats say... I pick Millsaps.

Millsaps - 45
Center   - 38

no defense in this game, just a good old fashion down south shoot-out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 07, 2006, 02:15:08 PM
Wouldn't you know it?  With all the offense talked about for the Centre vs. Millsaps game, the defense scores first.  Millsaps just intercepted a Centre pass and returned it for a touchdown.  Extra point was no good.  Majors lead 6-0 early in the first quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Barnhart (kid) on October 07, 2006, 02:17:30 PM
Trinity-Huntingdon are still are 0-0 with 6:30 left in the first quarter.

A big Hawks sacks forces a Tiger punt...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 07, 2006, 02:25:35 PM
Millsaps just punched it in for a touchdown..........Majors lead Centre 13-0 with 3:21 to go in the first quarter.  Final update for me...... Go Majors!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 07, 2006, 04:08:41 PM
Sewanee was making a game of it late in the 4th. Satterfield was running all over Depauw, then on 3rd down, Depauw intercepted a pass and returned it for a TD. Depauw is winning 31-17 with about 5 minutes left in the game.

Rhodes wins 21-7. All I know is that it was 7-7 at half. Great job Rhodes to get a good SCAC win on the road.

No game compared though to the 7/8 Pee-wee game I saw this morning. went to overtime (they play college rules) tied at 6-6. The Blaze score on 4th and goal from the 1 to go up 12-6, then the defense stepped up with a big hit on the QB to cause the pass to go incomplete for the win. GO BLAZE!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 07, 2006, 04:24:05 PM
Sewanee scored late, 31-24 Depauw.

onside kick, recovered by Depauw. ball game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 07, 2006, 04:26:39 PM
Rhodes/Austin Box Score
http://www.scac-online.org/football/RCAC.HTM (http://www.scac-online.org/football/RCAC.HTM)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 07, 2006, 05:18:42 PM


Trinity                24
Huntingdon          13


Bonzo, Colston did play.
So did the Black Flag.

                                                                    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 07, 2006, 09:05:27 PM
Congrats to all the SCAC winners this week.  I must admit that I am quite proud of Millsaps' 38-12 win over Centre.  The score was 13-6 at halftime in favor of the Majors.  Millsaps apparently won today with offense and defense.  I have not yet seen the stats, but I will be very interested in breaking this one down.  I do know that Majors' QB Juan Joseph threw for over 300 yards today and has now passed for over 1,000 yards on the season (in just 4 games.....he missed the Huntingdon game due to injury).

I'm pleased with the offense.....Millsaps has not had such prolific scoring in a LONG time.  Defensively.....I must admit that I am surprised, but nevertheless pleased.  More later.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 07, 2006, 10:14:10 PM
Consultant...here is that Millsaps/Centre box:
http://www.scac-online.org/football/CENMC.HTM (http://www.scac-online.org/football/CENMC.HTM)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 07, 2006, 11:42:42 PM
Very disappointing day for Huntingdon. Practically no offensive production in the first half. I think we had five first downs and three of those were from Trinity penalties. Finally came out throwing in the third(wondering why we tried to stay committed to the run for so long when it just wasn't working) but then when three good scoring opportunities in the third quarter only got seven points that really hurt. Moved the ball very well in the second half but just too many mistakes to get over the hump against a good team. Hopefully soon we can get four good quarters and win one of these big ones. Maybe now with pretty much no playoff chances, we can relax and play some good ball the rest of the way and finish on a positive note for next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 07, 2006, 11:43:10 PM
scacsid,
Good job on being so quick getting the box scores out to us!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 08, 2006, 10:08:49 AM
Hawks88, Give the Black Flag some credit!  There was certainly some hitting going on out there!  I was impressed with the Hawks, but when they abandoned the run, the Black Flag bent, but didn't break on the pass-only game.  You've got some very talented receivers!  I thought you were even better than last year, but the Black Flag was 'much better'. 
Your facillities and tailgate setup were awesome...  I'd invite to join the SCAC just to 'teach' the current members 'how to put on a game-day atmosphere'!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 08, 2006, 11:10:12 AM
Wesley Satterfield is a good football player.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 08, 2006, 05:05:21 PM
There has been a lot of talk the last couple of weeks on the SCIAC board about how good the Redlands defense is.  Much of it has come from their opponents after their games.  Assuming they were at their best against Trinity, then Trinity is much under-rated in the rankings.  But being a relative sleeper team can actually be helpful during the playoffs.  :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wizardman on October 08, 2006, 08:06:36 PM
I'm already looking forward to next week's matchups.
Depauw-Rhodes is one I definitely plan on listening to, primarily since I'm a Depauw fan.
Millsaps-Austin could be very fun. Austin has a pretty decent defense but little offense, and Millsaps appears to be the exact opposite.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 08, 2006, 09:09:04 PM
Rhodes moved the ball pretty well against Austin - especially passing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2006, 10:00:17 PM
My guess is that Millsaps won't have much trouble with Austin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2006, 11:30:28 PM
Quote from: historymajor on October 08, 2006, 10:08:49 AM
Hawks88, Give the Black Flag some credit!  There was certainly some hitting going on out there!  I was impressed with the Hawks, but when they abandoned the run, the Black Flag bent, but didn't break on the pass-only game.  You've got some very talented receivers!  I thought you were even better than last year, but the Black Flag was 'much better'. 
Your facillities and tailgate setup were awesome...  I'd invite to join the SCAC just to 'teach' the current members 'how to put on a game-day atmosphere'!
Yep, your defense had alot to do with our lack of success. I just thought we would have had a better chance if we had started throwing earlier.
I keep trying to tell my friends that they don't have to go spend $40 or $50 bucks or more per ticket to crowd in with 85 or 90 thousand people to have a good time and see some good football on Saturdays. I enjoy the atmosphere at our place just as much. How did you like our new band? I have forgotten to mention them in previous posts but they have done really well in their first year with the small numbers they have. As they add people the next couple of years, that will just add to the enjoyment.
Glad you enjoyed your trip. Hopefully the two teams can keep playing each other and we can find a way to beat you guys soon.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 09, 2006, 08:05:32 AM
Everyone was expecting no defense in the Millsaps-Centre game and both teams certainly gained plenty of yards(Millsaps with 432 and Centre with 350).  The key to the game was the Centre turnovers which gave Millsaps a couple of easy scores and stopped a few of the Centre drives. 

Centre lost all 4 of their fumbles with one of those being picked up and returned for a Millsaps touchdown.  The one interception of a Centre pass was run back for a touchdown and a second pickoff for a touchdown was waived off due to a penalty on the play.  This certainly would have been a much closer game if Centre had played error free so you can either credit the Millsaps defense for making big hits and big plays or blame the Centre offense for coughing up the ball.  Either way, it was a nice win for Millsaps.

Millsaps goes on the road for the first time next week when they take on Austin.  We'll see if all of the recent improvements continue when the other team has the home field advantage and it will be interesting to see if the players will be totally focused on the Austin game or if they will be looking forward a week to the game with DePauw.  I'm sure Coach DuBose and his staff are aware of the pitfalls and they will do everything that is needed to keep the focus on Austin.

Here are two links, the first to the Millsaps game story and the second to game photos which are under "Football 2006":

Story:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/100706story.shtml

Photos:  http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 09, 2006, 03:38:59 PM

I got some pictures from the TU/HC game and one of the shots was of a Tiger who had clearly played a lot being helped to the locker room by his teammates.  I have some bad thoughts as to who that is that got hurt.  Anyone know the name?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 09, 2006, 06:06:41 PM
Don't know the name but I remember #20 being helped off. I thought it looked like cramps at the time but I could be wrong.

A quick look at Trinity's roster shows #20 is Tobi Adeyinka.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on October 09, 2006, 10:01:41 PM
Tobi told me after the game it was back spasms.  There were some minor injuries to other D-linemen and Tobi among others were forced to take more snaps than usual at the end of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 09, 2006, 10:09:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 08, 2006, 10:00:17 PM
My guess is that Millsaps won't have much trouble with Austin.

Ron, I hope that you are a little harsh with this statement.   ;)  I will be at the AC/Millsaps game this weekend.  It is homecoming and also my 35th reunion.  :o  I will post my observations next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 10, 2006, 07:42:59 PM
I was at the McMurry game and most of the Rhodes game.  AC is making steady progress and always plays hard.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2006, 09:05:07 AM
In theory, Millsaps should win against Austin for the following reasons:

1)  Millsaps appears to be a team capable of scoring a lot of points against most teams and they do it with a balanced attack of running and passing.  They are averaging 38 points per game, 152 yards per game rushing, and 276 yards per game passing.
2)  The Millsaps defense is giving up 414 yards per game with the breakdown being 117 yards rushing and 297 yards passing.
3)  Austin is averaging under 7 points per game and only 221 yards of offense per game.  Their passing game is only averaging 60 yards per game so the Millsaps weakness on defense is offset by an Austin weakness on offense.
4)  Millsaps is a team with momentum, Austin is not.

On the other hand, you can't say that a Millsaps victory is a given because:
1)  It is the first road game of the season for Millsaps which adds a new element to the mix.
2)  It is Austin's homecoming and I'm sure they will be hungry for a win.
3)  It is certainly possible that some Millsaps players could overlook this game which is sandwiched between games with Centre and DePauw.
4)  No game is won on paper and surprising upsets happen all the time.

The bottom line is that I think Millsaps will be focused and they will win this game, particularily since Austin hasn't shown much of a passing attack.  Maybe we'll find out more about the passing defense when DePauw comes to town.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 11, 2006, 10:44:53 AM
Not trying to downplay the Millsaps/Austin game, but the Depauw at Rhodes is a more important game in the SCAC. Both teams have only one loss, and there are conference championship and playoff implications possibly coming out of this game.

The Rhodes defense has been solid, even in the loss to Huntingdon. But Depauw is one of the best teams in the SCAC. This is where Rhodes schedule really takes a turn uphill, and this is a huge game for the Lynx. I think if we can keep Marks and the rest of the Depauw offense in check, Rhodes will win.

This game in the past few years has always been close (Dewpauw by 4, 6, and 7, Rhodes by 2). I fully expect a great showdown in Memphis and I know I will be there to enjoy it and be as loud as I possibly can.

What are some other people's takes on the game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 11, 2006, 11:43:47 AM

If Rhodes can have a good year, even a tough loss to DePauw would be great for the conference, as the upper tier really needs to expand.  In the process of having a good year, Rhodes has got to try and start attracting students that are serious about football, and pick Rhodes because they want to contribute to a winning program.  Most of the people I know that have played football at Rhodes said they would play if they went to Rhodes, but not if they could go to Vanderbilt or UVA or something like that.  They think it's going to be all fun and games because it's small, and usually end up quitting after one or two years because they never had serious intentions and didn't realize that they might have to compete and the coaches want to win.

Rhodes, Sewanee, and Millsaps seem to attract those types of kids.  They're usually very good students but many of them are not on a mission to play football.  When they beat Trinity a few years ago, it seemed like a freak accident.  Now they have a good record and they need to reinforce it.  I'm pulling for Rhodes, though I suspect DePauw will be too much for them. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2006, 11:56:05 AM
The Rhodes-DePauw game is the more interesting game this week.  A win would give Rhodes a great 3-0 start to SCAC play and DePauw needs to run the table after their early season loss at Trinity. 

My biggest question mark about this game would be the ability of Rhodes to put points on the board.  I say this only because I watched Millsaps score 34 points against Huntingdon and then I read that Rhodes only had 7 points and 96 yards of total offense against Huntingdon.  The Rhodes touchdown drive was only 9 yards.  I know there was bad weather during that game but 6 yards of rushing offense for an entire game is pretty bad.

Comparing results against one team is a fairly poor way to pick a score, but I think the favorite's nod has to go to DePauw in this game and I'm guessing that DePauw wins something like 21-7.  If Rhodes wins the game, my guess is that they get at least 7 points from a defensive play or a special team play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lynxcat on October 11, 2006, 12:54:58 PM
The Rhodes-Depauw game should be a good one.  I agree with a lot of your thoughts, Frank.  Rhodes offense has been less then stellar this year.  The weather was absolutely horrible, though, in the Huntingdon game.  Still, the rushing attack seems to be near non-existent.  Rhodes passing game, though, has picked up a bit the last couple of games and it seems Oliver has gotten a bit more comfortable in the pocket.  Rhodes defense has play extremely well, and is currently ranked 3rd nationally in yards allowed/game. So, hopefully they can make some big plays, stuff Depauw, and play the field position game.

Should be a close, low scoring game.  My thoughts (or wish i should say):
Rhodes 13
Depauw 7
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2006, 01:05:36 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2006, 09:05:07 AM

[...]
The bottom line is that I think Millsaps will be focused and they will win this game, particularily since Austin hasn't shown much of a passing attack.  Maybe we'll find out more about the passing defense when DePauw comes to town.

Good summary, Frank.

I'm trying to talk my wife into letting me head up to Sherman on Saturday to see what wonders Dubose has worked.  It would have helped if the game started at noon instead of 1PM, so we'll see.  We have a marching contest where some of her students are competing that afternoon, but the first one is at 3:45.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 11, 2006, 05:27:00 PM
Frank, I agree that the Rhodes offense has to get yards on the Depauw D, otherwise it could end up another 6-3 or 3-0 game if the both defenses hold up.

Rhodes opponents are averaging 1.9 yds per rush, Depauw is averaging 3.6, and has ran the ball almost 80 times more than passing. That will be a great matchup to watch, Rhodes rush defense vs. Depauw rush offense.

I also agree that the Defense or ST has to come up with a big play. I know Rhodes puts a lot of effort into their ST and Depauw always has talent in this area. Both team's kickers are doing well, and their kick/punt returners look talented on both sides. All 4 of Depauw's kick/punt returners are averaging over 10 yds. per return, and Rhodes returners are doing ok, not great but ok. Depauw has allowed 4 blocked kicks this year though, and I expect Rhodes to rush hard and try to make a play here.

GO LYNX
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 11, 2006, 10:26:59 PM
DPU was without Marks for the first half of the Rhodes game last year, and had a very under-the-weather #31 for the second half.  Rhodes loaded the box, if I recall, and did an excellent job stopping the run.  You Rhodes folk will get your first good look at Spud, who's been very good the past couple of weeks throwing the football. 

If the Rhodes D is as stout as last year, it'll be another close one.  Not sure if Rhodes can move the ball all that effectively on the DPU D.  After all, they don't have Wes Satterfield to run it for 250+ or whatever it was.


Also, go Centre.  Seems rather unlikely, but a fellow can hope.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 12, 2006, 02:55:02 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on October 11, 2006, 10:26:59 PM
If the Rhodes D is as stout as last year, it'll be another close one. 

Shame on me for posting before reading this week's Around the Region.  Above comment rescinded.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 12, 2006, 09:01:01 AM
The last post from DPU3619 spurred me to go look at the around the South region report and it was full of interesting items.  First, there was a very nice bit on Millsaps quarterback Juan Joseph and I think Juan would be the first to say that he is blessed with a bunch of talented receivers.  Juan seems to make very good decisions and he has receivers who do a great job of getting yards after the catch.

The other thing that caught my eye was the writer's top 5 list from the South region.  DePauw, Rhodes, and Trinity were 5, 4, and 3 respectively and they are 3 of the last 4 teams on the Millsaps scheduled.  The 4th team at the end of Millsaps schedule is Sewanee and it sounds like Wes Satterfield is talented enough to make them a threat against any team.  So, Millsaps needs to play well this weekend and get past Austin and then it will be four good challenges in a row that will show the SCAC just how far the Majors have progressed in this first year under Mike DuBose.  I look forward to seeing how it all plays out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 12, 2006, 12:37:29 PM
Here's one for all the Texas fans, no not Trinity, but the Longhorns. This year the SCAC seems a lot like the Big-12 South. Every week is a great game, there are always a few blowouts, but Texas (Trinity) always seems on top. Everybody wants them to lose, and they have stout competition from the other conference teams, Depauw and Rhodes and Millsaps should be. And on any given week at any SCAC game, there will be a battle, no matter if it's the #1 team versus the bottom of the pack. Everybody is playing quality ball, and it seems that the "bottom tier" is getting closer and closer to dethroning the top. This is one of the most exciting conferences in DIII in my opinion. I give all credit to the ASC and some of the Northern ones, but they don't seem to have the top to bottom competition that the SCAC does.

to take that one step farther... Why doesn't the SCAC get that respect when it comes to Pool C playoff bids? The only answer I can come up with is the small number of teams, but even that has increased and we still get snuffed. Maybe there are just too many DIII teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 12, 2006, 12:50:34 PM
Hunter T,

The SCAC has not always been as competitive as it appears this season (I still believe it is early for some teams and the jury is still out).  For the most part Trinity has dominated, with Depauw falling in line right behind, after that it has been a toss-up year in and year out.  I am not sure about your Pool C question, but history has shown that the SCAC usually sends just the conference winner to the playoffs.  I think to raise the Pool C status, the SCAC needs more than just two teams who not only play well in the SCAC every year, but also prove their worth in non-conference games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 12, 2006, 01:08:40 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 12, 2006, 12:37:29 PM
Here's one for all the Texas fans, no not Trinity, but the Longhorns. This year the SCAC seems a lot like the Big-12 South. Every week is a great game, there are always a few blowouts, but Texas (Trinity) always seems on top. Everybody wants them to lose, and they have stout competition from the other conference teams, Depauw and Rhodes and Millsaps should be. And on any given week at any SCAC game, there will be a battle, no matter if it's the #1 team versus the bottom of the pack. Everybody is playing quality ball, and it seems that the "bottom tier" is getting closer and closer to dethroning the top. This is one of the most exciting conferences in DIII in my opinion. I give all credit to the ASC and some of the Northern ones, but they don't seem to have the top to bottom competition that the SCAC does.

to take that one step farther... Why doesn't the SCAC get that respect when it comes to Pool C playoff bids? The only answer I can come up with is the small number of teams, but even that has increased and we still get snuffed. Maybe there are just too many DIII teams.

Hunter T, the playoff at-large bids are calculated by criteria that are expressly designated in the Championship Handbook.

Please go to the FAQ and you can follow the discussions on the Pool C bid board on the multi-regions board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2006, 01:15:20 PM
Well ... when's the last time the SCAC's second place team was 9-1?  Let's see ... 2001.  And that Centre team got plastered 52-24 in the days when there were fewer Pool C bids available.  So the SCAC has never had a second team worthy, especially given the NCAA's newish criteria (thanks Ralph).

Someone who can go 9-1 this year with only one close loss is going to be a good candidate; either Rhodes or DePauw could fit that bill.  Nobody with two losses, not even Trinity, will get in as a Pool C candidate.   There are simply too many good 9-1 teams, and pool B teams which rate high can also take Pool C slots.  That seems likely this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 12, 2006, 04:54:54 PM
That's the explanation I was expecting. Thanks guys.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 12, 2006, 08:52:41 PM
I've been so busy with my day job this week, I haven't yet had an opportunity to let fans of the Austin College and Millsaps squads know that I'll be covering the game for d3football.com photographically this weekend.

As always, parents, players and friends of those folks please email me offline or send me a private message if you have any special photographic requests.

Say "hi" if you see me there!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 12, 2006, 08:55:29 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Millsaps at Austin College)

Bonzo,

"Letting me head up to Sherman"; please. No wonder that you can never come on down to see the Tigers; are you going to try this year?

                                                     ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2006, 09:16:24 PM
The car is in bad shape and there's not a lot of free money these days.  30 miles is doable, 300  (x2) not. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 13, 2006, 07:54:15 AM
I know I shouldn't be looking this far into the schedule with a critical game against a tough Rhodes team this weekend, but DePauw announced that tickets to the Monon Bell game against Wabash will go on sale 10/23/06. 

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/index.asp?id=18255

It seems they are running the sales through the bookstore rather than the athletic office, which hopefully will make it easier to get through on the phone.

This game is something you need to experience to understand.  I'd enjoy having any SCAC fans stop by the tailgate if you do make it.  I know Crawfordsville is a bit off your radar, but I just had to throw that out there!

I wish everyone a hard-fought and injury-free weekend of play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: footballsouthernstyle on October 13, 2006, 08:42:21 AM
First post on this board. So it may not be in the right place so cut me some slack. Why won't the SCAC allow Huntingdon to join the league and what about Lagrange.

thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2006, 09:40:30 AM
Welcome, footballsouthernstyle.  In response to your question, and in probable order of relevance:

(1) Have the schools actually contacted the SCAC to seek admission?  There's a lot of travel involved, which costs a lot of money when you multiply it by all the sports each school participates in.  It also takes a lot of time away from the athletes. 
(2) The conference announced last season that it wanted to have a maximum of 12 teams; with the addition of Colorado College (most sports starting in '07-'08) and Birmingham Southern (participation begins as early as next year in some sports, full membership when the transition to D3 is complete), they'll be at 12, nine with football.   
(3) The SCAC takes the "collegiate" bit seriously.  Schools are very highly ranked nationally by US News (etc.), almost all have Phi Beta Kappa chapters, etc.  LaGrange seems to be a better fit here; they're ranked in the top ten of Comprehensive Colleges-South by US News, but Huntingdon gets a fourth tier (of four) in the Liberal Arts category.   Neither school has a PBK chapter. 
(4) SCAC schools generally have endowments in excess of $100M.  HC's is $36M and LaGrange, $62M.

This is just IMO but from following the SCAC for a number of years, I think it's fairly accurate.  You might try asking the SCAC office itself, see www.scac-online.org. 

I think geographically, financially, and culturally there are other conferences that are good fits for these schools - the USA South is one that comes to mind.  Yes, there's travel there, but less than joining the SCAC. 

The SCAC has never had one-sport associate members and I don't see that changing unless they were in a real bind. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 13, 2006, 10:21:14 AM
There was actually an article in yesterday's Montgomery Advertiser. I understand the reasons why HC would not be admitted as far as endowments and Phi Beta Kappa, but the negative tone of the article makes makes me wonder if there might be other reasons. As far as scheduling games, I had assumed that we would be playing B'ham-Southern and was hoping some of the others would find a way to keep us on their schedules but this doesn't sound to promising. Unless something happens with the rumored USAC/GSAC thing, looks like we will be searching far and wide for games.   
http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061012/SPORTS/610120383/1002/ARCHIVES (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061012/SPORTS/610120383/1002/ARCHIVES)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2006, 12:05:00 PM
Thanks for the article, '88.   It certainly provides a good background and at least the HC perspective.

What the article doesn't mention is that the SCAC, despite the (S), is not primarily focused on geography when selecting its members.  All you have to do is look at how scattered the membership is.  Even before Colorado College was announced as a member, I don't know of a Division III conference that covered more territory.  It's similar to the UAA in that regard; the UAA is an association of academically elite research institutions.  The SCAC is a collection of nationally regarded colleges which primarily offer bachelors' degrees. 

If the author of this story wanted insight into SCAC membership, he had only to go to the SCAC web site and view "about the SCAC," which includes the following:

The Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC) and its member institutions are committed to maintaining high academic standards. The member institutions are committed to the principle that a quality college athletics program is beneficial to the well-being of an institution in that it benefits the entire campus community as well as the student-athletes.

With nine of the 10 member institutions maintaining Phi Beta Kappa chapters on their campuses, the SCAC boasts some of the most prestigious colleges and universities in the nation. SCAC schools are consistently ranked among the top 50 colleges and universities in the nation in such respected publications as Barron's, Peterson's, Princeton Review and National Review College Guide.


I know there are good things happening academically at Huntingdon.  To imply that "politics" was used in the decision to decline their application is, in my mind, just a bit disingenious.   Against schools like Colorado College and Birmingham Southern, the Hawks come up a bit short.  So do a lot of D3 schools. 

I hope the Hawks can find a conference soon.  They deserve the chance to compete as part of one, earn a bid in that way, and to have a more stable future.    Turk is a class guy who is building a fine program. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 13, 2006, 07:38:09 PM
big games tomorrow. predictions:

Rhodes  -10
Depauw -7
come on home field advantage.

Millsaps - 38
Austin   - 14
Millsaps offense rolls again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 13, 2006, 08:30:03 PM
Hey, BfB... get some sack!.....  As a TU alum, and a man....  if you want to go to SAT for a TU game...  rent a friggin' car... $19-$25 a da unlimited mileage....  $99 roundtrip flights to SAT from DFW or DAL... and if you can't arrange that....  just email me, and I'll arrange a ride from Dallas area to SAT....
Mommy won't let me is not an excuse!  Lead, follow, or get off the airways!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wizardman on October 14, 2006, 11:47:07 AM
Quote from: HunterT on October 13, 2006, 07:38:09 PM
big games tomorrow. predictions:

Rhodes  -10
Depauw -7
come on home field advantage.

Millsaps - 38
Austin   - 14
Millsaps offense rolls again.

Hmm... Rhodes 17, Depauw 21. It'll be close, but Depauw's offense is better that that and their D isn't quite as good as that 10-7 score. Granted, neither team's had a blowout, so we know there won't be one of those.
IMO you got the Milsaps-Ausitn game dead on, except maybe Austin only gets 10 points since their offense doesn't seem to be able to score points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2006, 01:22:45 PM
DePauw is running all over Rhodes so far.  Jeremiah Marks scores from 4 yards out to make the score 13-0 with 3:30 to go in the first.   Last drive was basically all Marks. 

Rhodes gets some of it back on a 70+ yd drive which stalls, 25-yd FG makes it 13-3 early in the second.  Key play was a 38-yard pass completion.

Lynx defense stiffens, holds DPU to two straight three-and-outs.  Unfortunately Rhodes fumbled away a punt inbetween those two series.  Marks is being treated on the sidelines for an injury of some type. 

Marks is back in.  It's halftime, 13-3 DPU. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2006, 02:29:54 PM
Millsaps just "jumped" on the board to go up 6-0 on the Kangaroos on a touchdown pass by Juan Joseph that  capped a 90 something yard opening drive.  As has been typical, Millsaps can't convert on an extra point. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2006, 02:41:37 PM
Rhodes gets another FG on their opening drive to close the gap to 13-6.  DPU gets stuffed on their first drive of the half, Rhodes will start around midfield.   5:45 left in the third.   

The Lynx have made some very good defensive adjustments.  Other than early in the game Marks has not had much running room

....

Marks scores on fourth-and-inches to put DPU up 20-6 with 9:21 left to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2006, 02:59:20 PM
The clock at Austin College is running swiftly....3:55 to go in the first half.  The Kangaroos managed to kick a 22 yard field goal that bounced off the left goal post and through.  The Majors then got a safety to go up 8-3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2006, 03:13:37 PM
Marks scores one more time with under two minutes remaining ... DePauw 27, Rhodes 6.  Can you say SCAC Offensive PotW?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2006, 03:14:31 PM
It's halftime at Austin College..... Millsaps leads the Kangaroos 8-3 as Austin puts on homecoming festivities.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: major82 on October 14, 2006, 03:45:32 PM
Touchdown Majors.  Joseph with his second TD toss.  Four yards to Kennedy Griffin. 

Tyson Roy getting warmed up.

Millsaps set to attempt the PAT....penalty on Austin.  Majors decide they will go for two.  Joseph to Chris Jackson.

16=3 Majors. 

Strange game so far.  AC's field goal was partially blocked, hit the upright, and fell through for their only points. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2006, 03:50:08 PM
Juan Joseph throws his 2nd touchdown pass and convert on a 2 point try and the Majors lead 16-3 over Austin College early in the third quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2006, 03:51:10 PM
Welcome Major82.....nice to have another Millsaps fan on the board!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2006, 03:57:03 PM
Millsaps adds a 31 yard field goal.  Millsaps up 19-3.  Austin gets a big return on the ensuing kickoff.....Kangaroos just scored a TD and got the 2 point try.....Majors up 19-11  with 5:00 to go in the 3rd quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 14, 2006, 04:20:47 PM
Colorado College leads Huntingdon 14-6 at the half. Typical Huntingdon of late. Four scoring opportunities only gets 6 points. Turned over on downs twice, wondering why we aren't trying field goals but then we miss the extra point after our lone TD then miss a 26 yd field goal attempt at the end of the half. Not sure what's wrong with our kicker. After being so outstanding last year, he hasn't been making too many this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2006, 04:28:21 PM
Hawks...that is a surprising halftime score.

Millsaps just added another touchdown and lead 26-11 mid way through the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 14, 2006, 04:35:41 PM
so my Rhodes/Depauw score wasn't as accurate as possible. Final Score:

Rhodes   - 6
Depauw - 27

Rhodes Offense couldn't get much going. Turnovers hurt the Lynx bad. The botched punt which would have given Rhodes good field position leads to no points for either team when Rhodes at least could have gotten a FG out of it.

at the half it was a one score game 13-6 Depauw. 2 FG by Rhodes, Catalanotta looks solid. But a fumble return for a TD from the 4, and a Marks run give the Tigers the lead.

Then in the second half, the Rhodes Defense does all they can, containing Marks, not allowing any big runs. But still let a couple drives in, final 27-6 Depauw. Not what we wanted from the offense, but the defense did what they could, holding Marks to no big runs, but letting him score on 4th and goal from the 1 to make it 27.

Honestly in my opinion, the Rhodes rush offense couldnt' get much going. The passing game was doing well, but the rush couldn't get much. The lack of offense is what kept Rhodes out of the W column. Good job to both teams. not happy about the outcome though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 14, 2006, 04:51:09 PM
Hawks score and go for two to tie it at 14-14. Hawks converted a 4th and nine at the 20 while driving in.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 14, 2006, 04:57:37 PM
Millsaps defeats Austin College 26-11.   Millsaps improves to 3-3 overall and 2-0 in the SCAC.  It's the first time Millsaps has won three straight games since the 2001 season.  Coach Dubose called the victory "ugly."  But he and I both will take it.  Millsaps puts up 444 yards of total offense.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 14, 2006, 05:19:22 PM
Touchdown Huntingdon. Golson pass to Colson. Kick is good. HC leads 21-14. Converted a 4th and inches in the drive. Around 9 minutes left.

Hawks recover a fumble at CC 43.

Teams swap punts but HC muffs ours to give CC the ball at HC 43. 5:19 to go.

Hawks recover CC fumble at HC 25

HC misses 49 yd field goal. 3 minutes left

CC makes it on 4th down at 49 yd line 1:25 left

:22 left CC has 4th and short at HC 30

4th dowb :06 left
1st down at 25

clock didn't run. after getting first down and grounding ball, still :21 left. officails take it down to :17

incomplete on 4th down

game over. final HC 21 CC 14
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 14, 2006, 05:53:05 PM
Fun game. HC was able to run the ball pretty well this week. After getting behind 14-0, sounded like our defense mostly shut CC down the rest of the way. I don't think CC had a first down in the second half until that final drive. Sounds like we need to get our kicking game straightened out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 15, 2006, 12:45:42 AM
Not really much to say that isn't obvious.  Good day for the O against the highly-heralded Rhodes D.    D bounced back nicely.  However, not to sure how much of a true litmus test the Rhodes O is.

Beat Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wizardman on October 15, 2006, 12:47:29 AM
True. Granted, Rhodes may have been the toughest challenge for Depauw in the sense that the two seemed to be simmilar. If Depauw won by that much though, then they shouldn't have a problem against Millsaps (I expect a shootout in that game, both teams scoring at least 28)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 15, 2006, 12:56:40 AM
Also, Wabash's kicker choked.  No playoffs for the Little Giants.  I'm so sad that I may cry.  :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 15, 2006, 07:34:11 PM
Images from this weekend's Austin College/Millsaps game are available to be viewed from the Photo Galleries link on the front page of the site.

Check them out!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2006, 11:25:12 AM
Some interesting numbers from the DePauw-Rhodes game:

                                                   DU       RC
FIRST DOWNS...................          14        8
RUSHES-YARDS (NET)............      41-102    29-40
PASSING YDS (NET).............        96      152
Passes Att-Comp-Int...........    17-10-0  24-14-1
TOTAL OFFENSE PLAYS-YARD   58-198   53-192
Fumble Returns-Yards..........      1-7      2-5
Punt Returns-Yards............        6-62      2-0
Kickoff Returns-Yards.........        2-36     3-41
Interception Returns-Yards....    1-0      0-0
Punts (Number-Avg)............     6-35.5   6-36.7
Fumbles-Lost..................            2-2      4-2
Penalties-Yards...............          1-10     5-36
Possession Time...............       28:33    31:27
Third-Down Conversions........  4 of 12  5 of 14
Fourth-Down Conversions.......   1 of 1   0 of 1
Red-Zone Scores-Chances.......      3-3      2-2
Sacks By: Number-Yards........     3-31     3-33

They hardly look like the numbers you would expect in a 27-6 game.  Rhodes lead in time of possession, the yardage was just about equal, DePauw was only plus 1 in turnovers, very few penalties for either team, etc.  These look like the numbers you would see in a 13-10 game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2006, 12:35:38 PM
Good observations, Frank ... one of those cases where stats lie.  I listened to most of the game.  DePauw had one big drive in the first half and a lot of three-and-outs.  The other TD came on a short fumble return.  Rhodes could string together a first down or two, but their ineffective rushing game (for which you must credit the DePauw defense) kept them from consistently moving the ball downfield.   As a result, two Lynx drives deep into the red zone ended in FG's instead of TD's.  Change either or both of those and who knows what the final result is.  Jeremiah Marks, on the other hand, just kept making plays and shedding tacklers on his way to 114 hard-earned yards.   He was the only consistent offensive threat either team had. 

DePauw's net +50 yds on punt returns, +25 on penalties were significant on a day when neither team had 200 yards of total offense.   The +1 turnover margin resulted into a DPU TD. 

What it really boils down to is that DPU had Marks and Dustin Hertel, and Rhodes did not.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 16, 2006, 03:44:55 PM
The DePauw-Millsaps game this Saturday is very intriguing.  Millsaps has strung together some good games, and their offense is capable of putting up a lot of points.  DePauw has a stingy D, and their offense is starting to put up some points as well.  Long road trip to Jackson won't help the Tigers.

Key for DePauw - chew up clock with running game, keep Millsaps offense off the field
Key for Millsaps - stop Marks, keep pressure off Joseph

Should be a heck of a game, and an important game, as both teams still have the potential to make the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 16, 2006, 03:46:09 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on October 15, 2006, 12:56:40 AM
Also, Wabash's kicker choked.  No playoffs for the Little Giants.  I'm so sad that I may cry.  :'(


In a bit of role reversal, looks like you're our playoffs this year.  Let's hope this isn't a trend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 16, 2006, 04:13:24 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 16, 2006, 03:44:55 PM
Key for DePauw - chew up clock with running game, keep Millsaps offense off the field
Key for Millsaps - stop Marks, keep pressure off Joseph

Should be a heck of a game, and an important game, as both teams still have the potential to make the playoffs.

I'm a subscriber to the philosophy that good defense beats good offense.  DPU's 3rd in the SCAC against the pass at about 150 yds/game and have given up only 3 passing TD's on the year (3rd to TU and Rhodes). 

In Millsaps' 6 games they're giving up about 130 yards on the ground.  It sounds like a day that Marks should be able to run wild and run the clock. 

Millsaps may score a lot, but they're also the worst in the league defensively.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2006, 05:04:59 PM
While I'm certainly pulling for Millsaps this Saturday, I can't disagree with anyone who says that DePauw is the favorite.  DePauw has been one of the elites in the SCAC for a long time and Millsaps has strugged in recent years.  Millsaps shouldn't be considered among the elite until they prove it by beating one of the elite SCAC teams.

Millsaps does have an advantage by being the home team and not having to travel 600 miles for the game.  I think the Millsaps offense is capable of putting up enough points to win the game but the question mark is the scoring defense.  The average for the season looks bad but keep in mind that Millsaps gave up 128 points in the first 3 games and only 33 in the last 3 games. 

There is no question that the defense has improved considerably since the start of the year.  On the other hand, Centre did gain 350 yards against Millsaps and their scoring was primarily held down by 5 turnovers.  Austin gained 295 yards against Millsaps and they haven't scored much on anybody.  So it seems to me that the jury is still out on just how much improvement Millsaps has made on defense over the course of the season.  We should know the answer to that on Saturday.

It looks like it will be great weather and a great game that will go a long way in determining the SCAC standings for 2006.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 16, 2006, 06:10:15 PM
I am just now posting my thoughts on the AC/Millsaps game last week.  I was too busy celebrating my reunion  ::) and then bad weather in Houston delayed my flight until midnight Sunday night. >:(

Once again Austin College was plagued by the inability to really stop the passing game.  Millsaps rushed for 172 but threw for 272.  Joseph looked good most of the day although I thought he might have begun to spook a little late in the game when AC was finally able to get a little pressure  on him.  AC had to give a large cushion due to the speed difference in  their DB's against Millsaps receivers and Joseph made lots of first downs on passes that were broken off in front of the DB's.  The real turning point in the game was right after AC scored to make it 19-11.  On Millsaps first play from scrimmage following the TD,   AC picked him off with good field position and would have had all the momentum in the world.  Alas,  :'(  they also roughed the passer and Millsaps got the ball back and scored.

AC seemed to move the ball well between the 20 yard lines.  As was stated earlier they had almost 300 yards of offense themselves. However, in the red zone, as the field got more compressed Millsaps was able to tighten up on the receivers and move more into the box and AC's comparative lack of speed became evident. 

I saw several Millsaps fans at our Athletic Association tailgate and besides being nice folks, they were very complimentary regarding AC's effort and the way the offensive line came off the ball.  They knew it had been a good game.  This was the fourth time I have seen AC play this year and every week they play better.  They are finally getting more of Coach Gage's offense in and their passing game looked the best I have seen it.  Once they are able to recruit some speed at the skill positions and in the secondary and get a little more depth I think they can become a contender in the next few years in the SCAC.  Right now I would just say to everyone to not overlook them.   ;) I think they have a decent chance against Sewanee this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 16, 2006, 06:46:12 PM
roocru, do you think the move to the SCAC was the right thing for AC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 16, 2006, 07:08:30 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 16, 2006, 06:46:12 PM
roocru, do you think the move to the SCAC was the right thing for AC?

Bill,

Without any doubts at all.  They are playing schools similar to them in every way (costs, academics, ability, etc.).  In addition, they are really returning to their roots.  When I was playing in the late 60's and early 70's we played Colorado College, Sewanee, Rhodes (then called Southwestern), Millsaps, among others. 

I know I am probably going to hack off a few posters on this board with this comment, but IMO the SCAC cannot hold a candle right now to the ASC from top to bottom.  I have seen Trinity, Texas Lutheran, McMurry and Millsaps play against AC.  Right now Trinity is not as good as they have been in the past and Millsaps would have a real hard time with any of the ASC schools in size, speed and quantity of above average athletes. 

By moving to this conference I think AC can actually be competing for a championship in the future.  They would never be able to do that in the ASC.   They are now competing in the recruiting process with kids just like those that go to Trinity, Centre, DePauw, etc.  and do not have to play against the athletes who can get into UMHB, HSU, SUL Ross, etc.  And this goes exactly the same for the other SCAC schools.  They don't want the same kids as the ASC and neither should they have to recruit them or play the schools that do.  I am not knocking either conference, they just have different expectations and that is OK with me.   :)

Now before all you SCAC posters take a shot, please read the whole response above and take it for what it is worth and that is one guy's opinion.  I am not putting down the SCAC, just noting its differences. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2006, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 16, 2006, 07:08:30 PM
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By moving to this conference I think AC can actually be competing for a championship in the future.  They would never be able to do that in the ASC.   They are now competing in the recruiting process with kids just like those that go to Trinity, Centre, DePauw, etc.  and do not have to play against the athletes who can get into UMHB, HSU, SUL Ross, etc.  And this goes exactly the same for the other SCAC schools.  They don't want the same kids as the ASC and neither should they have to recruit them or play the schools that do.  I am not knocking either conference, they just have different expectations and that is OK with me.   :)


roocru, we McMurry fans just don't want Austin College to forget a rivalry that goes back 65 games to 1934.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 16, 2006, 07:36:39 PM
I'm also hearing that for the first time in at least the past two or three trips (if not longer), DePauw will be busing down to Jackson instead of flying. 

It seems like anymore it's 9-10 hours all together when you fly a group of 80 nowadays, so I suppose busing makes more sense.

Don't really know if it affects anything.  Six one way and a half dozen the other I suppose, as my old man used to say.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 16, 2006, 11:46:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 16, 2006, 07:17:20 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 16, 2006, 07:08:30 PM
...
By moving to this conference I think AC can actually be competing for a championship in the future.  They would never be able to do that in the ASC.   They are now competing in the recruiting process with kids just like those that go to Trinity, Centre, DePauw, etc.  and do not have to play against the athletes who can get into UMHB, HSU, SUL Ross, etc.  And this goes exactly the same for the other SCAC schools.  They don't want the same kids as the ASC and neither should they have to recruit them or play the schools that do.  I am not knocking either conference, they just have different expectations and that is OK with me.   :)


roocru, we McMurry fans just don't want Austin College to forget a rivalry that goes back 65 games to 1934.

Ralph,

I don't think you guys have to worry about that rivalry.  From what I hear and understand, McMurry and Texas Lutheran will probably always stay on the schedule.   ;) ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 17, 2006, 10:44:00 AM
SCAC Gridiron Weekly - Week 7
http://www.scac-online.org/football/101606footballupdate.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/football/101606footballupdate.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 17, 2006, 12:11:27 PM
Ex-major & Gray Fox (who have already made their picks),

On SCAC pick'ems, Colorado College @ Rhodes has been added to the slate.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 17, 2006, 05:29:01 PM
Interesting article from the Birmingham News. So B'ham-Southern is still looking for a tenth game while we are still looking for three but they don't want to play us until their first class are seniors? Are these guys for real?

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/mperrin.ssf?/base/sports/1161077110232390.xml&coll=2
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2006, 05:47:53 PM
I think you might be overreacting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2006, 06:11:34 PM
Quote[B-SC AD Joe] Dean [,Jr] and [Coach] Jones are also work­ing on funding for the new foot­ball program.

"We have formed a booster club and already have commit­ments for just under $100,000, if you can believe that," Dean said.

"Everywhere I go on campus, football is all people are talking about. There's definitely a level of excitement I haven't seen be­fore in athletics since I've been here."
--Mike Perrin  Birmingham News

Remember the Daily Dose blogs (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=208#comments) from May 2006, and the Basketball Daily Dose (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=189#comments) as well.

As I recall the articles in the Birmingham News, Mr Perrin was the one who was writing from a position of accurate research and sound and critical analysis of the story.

Thanks to Mr. Perrin for his follow-up.

Also note the addition of M&W Lacrosse and T&F.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2006, 06:21:20 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 17, 2006, 05:29:01 PM
Interesting article from the Birmingham News. So B'ham-Southern is still looking for a tenth game while we are still looking for three but they don't want to play us until their first class are seniors? Are these guys for real?

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/mperrin.ssf?/base/sports/1161077110232390.xml&coll=2

Considering that they will be recruiting against you it's a pretty smart move.  Much harder to recruit in-state against someone that beats you 82-0.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 17, 2006, 11:09:50 PM
What over-reacting? I thought it was funny. I guess I should have figured out how to make that clearer.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2006, 10:21:21 AM
Lots of good SCAC and Huntingdon discussion in this week's ATR ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 18, 2006, 02:01:18 PM
I thought so too Ron, it has been a long while since Millsaps has been talked about like that . . . here is hoping it continues after this weekends game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2006, 04:32:06 PM
New poll posted.  There better be enough choices to make everyone happy  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 18, 2006, 06:03:51 PM
Jerheme Urban signs with the Cowboys today.... sweet,,, lined up with T.O.!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 18, 2006, 10:13:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 18, 2006, 10:21:21 AM
Lots of good SCAC and Huntingdon discussion in this week's ATR ...

Did I miss something? Millsaps D is getting some dap in ATR when they're last all of the following:

scoring defense
pass defense
total defense

And next to last in:

run defense
pass efficiency D
opponent 3rd down %
opponent 1st downs

I understand that DePauw has a conference loss and Millsaps doesn't, but that all seems tad bit odd to me.

Don't want to make anybody angry here, but stopping Austin and Centre isn't exactly going all Power Rangers and morphin' into the Mt. Union D.  Just looking for a little credit where it's due, that's all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 19, 2006, 07:23:35 AM
I gotta agree with 3619,

You can't give credit where it hasn't been earned yet. With the only wins coming over the bottom of the SCAC so far, and with the worst still to come, you can't boast about the Majors Defense.

IF they stop Depauw this weekend, then maybe. But that's STOP, not win 73-72.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2006, 09:55:33 AM
Hey, as a Millsaps fan I agree with the above that the Millsaps defense still has something to prove and I'll repeat that DePauw should be considered the favorite going into this game.  In my heart I feel like Millsaps will win the game this weekend, but I haven't even seen DePauw play this year so how could I have much of a clue about who should or will win the game?  Since DePauw has traditionally been the better team, they have earned the right to be considered the favorite in the game.  That just seems logical.

But that being said, simply stating where the Millsaps defense ranks isn't an entirely accurate picture.  The defense was horrible in the first 3 games and that just about guarantees the low rankings on defense for the rest of the season.  The defense has improved considerably in the last three games, just how much will be seen this Saturday. 

It should be noted that Millsaps is a fairly young team on both sides of the ball and that sometimes shows up in monumental mental lapses and sometimes it shows up in rapid improvement from week to week.  I'm sure both teams will be ready to play this Saturday and I'm sure it will be a great game.

(PS--Just a note that this game is very close to being a matchup of 5-1 teams.  Millsaps lost to Louisiana College 41-38 with Tyson Roy out with an injury and they lost to Huntingdon 35-34 with Juan Joseph and Chris Jackson on the bench.  Admittedly their backups all had very good games, but those are players who could have made a game winning difference in two extremely close games.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 19, 2006, 11:09:09 AM
Out of sheer curiosity, with the SCAC going to an 8-game conference schedule next season, is Depauw's schedule entirely locked in for the foreseeable future, or do they plan to discontinue the Hope series in favor of having some variety with the one open non-conference game they have?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 19, 2006, 12:00:04 PM
I, too, believe that the Millsaps defense has improved, but I certainly make no statements that the Majors have a formidable defense.  Offensively, Millsaps has several weapons, and if DePauw doesn't the Majors seriously on both sides of the ball, Millsaps will likely come away with a victory. 

As Frank said, the Majors are young, and these guys don't have any idea that since 1998 DePauw being DePauw has meant that DePauw wins.  Nevertheless, I expect Millsaps to take DePauw very seriously because the Majors have been preparing all season to take every conference game very seriously.  Millsaps hasn't had this type of momentum since 1996 when the Majors defeated Trinity at home to claim the SCAC title. 

I expect a lot of scoring, but I do think one or two keys defensive stops for Millsaps could be all the Majors need.  If DePauw makes things difficult for the Millsaps O then Millsaps will have a difficult time on Saturday. 





Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 19, 2006, 02:33:39 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 19, 2006, 11:09:09 AM
Out of sheer curiosity, with the SCAC going to an 8-game conference schedule next season, is Depauw's schedule entirely locked in for the foreseeable future, or do they plan to discontinue the Hope series in favor of having some variety with the one open non-conference game they have?

Wally, I heard what the situation was likely to be, and I honestly don't remember what happened in the discussion.  I believe that Anderson may be on the schedule for the next couple of years. This was before adding Colorado College and Birmingham-Southern, but I was under the impression that it was kind of a multi-year thing.  I'm awfully sure that Chicago will be gone, and I believe Hope will be as well.

I think they should drop the Wabash game.  Nothing special there, right?   :D

Why don't we do that and then play Tri-State or Blackburn? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2006, 04:03:25 PM
Comparing scores against common opponents can sometimes be misleading but it also gives us some method of comparison.  At this point in the season Millsaps and Rhodes are each 2-1 against their 3 common opponents:

Rhodes results:
won at home vs. Centre 20-10
lost at home vs. Huntingdon 7-21
won on the road vs. Austin 21-7

Millsaps results:
won at home vs. Centre 38-12
lost at home vs. Huntingdon 34-35
won on the road vs. Austin 26-11

Those results seem to tell us what we already know, namely that Rhodes and Millsaps are probably fairly competitive with Millsaps having the edge on offense and Rhodes having the edge on defense.

BUT, for a more interesting comparison, lets look at the Sewanee schedule.  Sewanee lost at Huntingdon 24-44 and lost at Centre 0-14.  One would think that DePauw would throttle Sewanee and yet that score was only a 31-24 home victory for DePauw. 

The oddest number of all from the Sewanee games is the rushing production of Wes Satterfield.  Against Huntingdon it was 18 carries for negative 19 yards.  Against Centre it was 21 carries for 59 yards.  Against DePauw it was 40 carries for 247 yards.  I'd love to hear an explantion of the huge differences from a Sewanee fan.

But, those are just notes of interest and they won't win a ballgame.  Only 46.5 hours till kickoff--I ready to see what transpires.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 20, 2006, 03:25:12 AM
This weekend is Homecoming for Rhodes, so there is a lot of pride in Memphis. Should be a lot of people there, and I know we'll be starting early. If anybody plans on coming, the Football Alumni Association is hosting a BBQ, all you can eat for $10, and other specials included.

As for the football, this will be a lot of fun to watch. Considering this is now a futuer SCAC meeting, it carries more importance than only Homecoming. Coloroado College is always improving, and the Rhodes offense is.... well... the Rhodes offense. I'm calling some defensive scores for the Lynx this week. But I think this game will be closer than the 59-0 shalacking from 2002.

Rhodes wins 35-10.

Now, come on Lynx and prove me wrong. Win by a lot more than that, and shut them out. It's Homecoming, have some fun and make the alumni proud.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 20, 2006, 10:00:19 AM

What does that say about a team when they are "always improving" but haven't had any recent success?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2006, 11:31:56 AM
"Always improving" is a start but it doesn't do you much good unless you are improving at a rate greater than your competition.  Somewhat like getting pay raises that don't keep up with inflation.

I don't know a thing about Colorado College but their 14-21 loss to Huntingdon last week would suggest that they will be competitive with Rhodes since Rhodes lost to Huntingdon 7-21 earlier in the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 20, 2006, 11:36:38 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2006, 11:31:56 AM
I don't know a thing about Colorado College but their 14-21 loss to Huntingdon last week would suggest that they will be competitive with Rhodes since Rhodes lost to Huntingdon 7-21 earlier in the season.
CC is very much improved over recent years.  Apparently their quarterback is top notch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on October 20, 2006, 11:43:35 AM
 CC does have a good QB.

What's making this team better every week is that they return a large # of veterans that have experience under their belts. This is why they probabily stayed close to the team that they played last week. Expect CC to have a huge Offensive production when they play Rhodes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 20, 2006, 12:30:54 PM

There has been little or no discussion about the TU at Centre game this week.  I hope the Tiger players are more interested than are the people who read this board.  This is the last day to offer insight on the contest in Danville, so I'm going to take the opportunity and say that I think Trinity is going to win in the same fashion that they've beaten HC and DPU.  Double digit margin, and moderate to light offensive production.  Now that coach Jerheme Urban bolted for the Cowboys, I suspect the receivers are going to have a massive drop off in production.  Well, not really, but it was an excuse to get that little tid bit in there.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2006, 12:56:18 PM
It would be hard to go against TU in the game in Danville but Centre is certainly a better team than what their scored showed in the Millsaps game.  In that game Centre turned the ball over 5 times which created a lot of the scoring gap.  My guess would be a solid TU win but Centre will have its bright moments here and there throughout the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 20, 2006, 04:18:37 PM
TU2698... It's friggin cold up here,,,  mid to high 40's, damp and cool!  I think the TU Tiger's will be ready... I think the receivers will come up big!  Having your big brother on the Cowboy's roster is HUGE! (right Caleb???)
Homecoming at Centre is always fun to participate in!  Blazing fall foliage, 'fired up' fans and the whole C6H0 mistique.....
I'm psyched!  Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 20, 2006, 05:42:39 PM
That Trinity at Centre game could be better thank you think, especially since its Homecoming. That to me is always that intangible edge that can never be really measured. I don't really think Centre will win, but they'll give TU a good fight, thats for sure.

Quote from: Browneagle64 on October 20, 2006, 11:43:35 AM
Expect CC to have a huge Offensive production when they play Rhodes.

are you serious? no. Rhodes has the 2nd ranked defense in the country, having moved UP a spot even after the loss to Depauw. CC may have a good QB, and they may be returning good experienced players, but refer to frank_ezelle's qoute about pay raises and inflation. Rhodes defense is better than it has been in years, and if the only mention about CC is of their QB, the Rhodes D will have that taken care of.

What about CC's derfense? no metnion there, and Rhodes offense, though it is Rhodes, will come out fired up. Like I said before, it's not gonna be close in my mind.

The best Homecoming game this weekend is gonna be Trinity at Centre.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 20, 2006, 05:59:06 PM

Do y'all really think a team plays better when it's homecoming?  In my opinion, the only thing that really makes a team play better than usual is when they are focused on the opponent.  I've never really seen a team execute well because there are more alumni at the game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 20, 2006, 06:38:36 PM
In my opinion, it shouldn't be too hard for a team to get fired up for a ten game season.  Homecoming is a big game in the sense that there is a decent fan base on hand.  Perhaps there is higher energy on homecoming knowing that a decent fan base will be in attendance.  But I agree with TU2698 that a focused and talented team for whatever reason plays well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 21, 2006, 01:18:00 AM
I agree with you both. A focused team, a well prepared team, and a talented team will be the better team. It's simple logic. But having that many more fans there, having a more enthusiastic crowd, louder and larger can have an effect on the game.

The one time I remember hearing the crowd during a game was at Rose-Hulman when we won on their Homecoming in 2OT. It was the PAT I kicked right before the end of regulation, and they were loud. And I barely hit the kick.

I understand that my perspective is different than a lineman who is 95% deaf when they're on the field, but it is one of the intangibles that does affect a game. It changes for each team, location, year, and player, but it can affect a game.

So can teams who are playing Homecoming's play better? Sure. Does that always happen? no. But has it happened and will it continue to happen? Yes.

plus it's just more fun to either win on Homecoming, or beat a team on their Homecoming. We can all agree to that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 02:43:45 PM
With all the talk about homecoming, in stark contrast to a good student crowd the Millsaps vs. DePauw game will see a slim student crowd I would imagine.  It's fall break at Millsaps.  This angers me, but I'll not comment further....because I'm happy that Millsaps just scored.

Millsaps took the opening drive 43 yards down the field and punched it in for a touchdown.  Juan Joseph scored on a QB keeper from 2 yards out.  Majors lead DePauw 7-0.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 02:53:26 PM
DePauw answered with the passing game.....no running game yet.  Spud Dick just threw a TD pass.

Tie game 7-7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 03:10:19 PM
Trinity is up 7-0 on Centre. 

KRTU needs to turn up the gain on their mikes - the color guy is almost inaudible even with the volume turned up all the way. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 21, 2006, 03:22:48 PM
Millsaps scores on a fake field goal.  14-7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 03:23:51 PM
Millsaps stopped DePauw after a Millsaps fumble in Millsaps territory and then ran and passed down the field to score a touchdown on a fake field goal attempt from the Tigers' 10 yard line.  Millsaps leads 14-7 mid 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 03:32:40 PM
7-yard TD pass from Barmore to Zach Byars with 0:20 left in the first half makes it 14-0.  Trinity drove 81 yards in 1:40.

OMG!  Centre tries a deep pass which is intercepted by Marynowitz and returned to the Colonel 20.  37 yd FGA is good as time expires.   Trinity leads 17-0 at the half.

KRTU apparently got the message, volume has improved.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 03:39:03 PM
Halftime in Jackson.

Millsaps leads 14-7.  DePauw was in Millsaps' territory and driving but had a pass intercepted for the second time today.  Millsaps had 30 seconds to work with but did not mount a serious threat in the waning seconds of the half. 

Sounds like a tremendous game!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 03:50:14 PM
Austin College 24, Sewanee 14 at the half per the AC broadcast site. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 04:01:13 PM
Trinity fumbles on the opening drive and Centre takes over at the TU 12.  Centre settles for a 22-yd FG that was just good.  17-3 with 11:42 in the third. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 04:03:58 PM
Millsaps and DePauw swapped interceptions to start the 3rd quarter.  DePauw picked off a Juan Joseph pass that went in and out of the hands of the intended receiver.  Millsaps then answered with their third interception of the game which went for a touchdown.  21-7 Millsaps in the 3rd quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 21, 2006, 04:06:21 PM
The Millsaps score is a surprise, right?  Many people expect DePauw to get a playoff bid if they win out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 04:13:15 PM
Millsaps has been playing a lot better in conference play and they have a very good QB in Joseph. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 21, 2006, 04:14:44 PM
Ron, most people expect DePauw to make a serious run for a Pool C bid, but a loss today will knock them out, correct?  I'm surprised due to what I have read on here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 21, 2006, 04:16:50 PM
TROUBLE.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 04:16:56 PM
Surprise or not, Millsaps leads 28-7 now after a 9 play 64 yard drive caped off by a one yard TD run by Tyson Roy.  The Majors are running and passing all over DePauw....and playing great defense thus far.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 21, 2006, 04:18:26 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on October 18, 2006, 10:13:29 PM
Did I miss something? Millsaps D is getting some dap in ATR when they're last all of the following:

scoring defense
pass defense
total defense

And next to last in:

run defense
pass efficiency D
opponent 3rd down %
opponent 1st downs


What we have here, I believe, is a jinx situation.  I apologize.  To everyone.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 04:19:21 PM
Millsaps is only a few points away from being 5-1.  The only big loss they had was against MC which was DuBose's first game as head coach.   

A second loss for anyone, including DPU, pretty much knocks them out of the playoff picture at this point.  Looks like the SCAC's only bid is going to come down to the Millsaps-Trinity winner. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 21, 2006, 04:19:40 PM
Wow!  If this holds up, the last game of the season will be very interesting.  An early congratulations.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 04:23:45 PM
Three quarters are in the books in Jackson.  Millsaps 28 - DePauw 7. 

DePauw has the ball and is moving it into Millsaps territory now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 04:27:19 PM
My goodness!  Millsaps just picked off a 4th DePauw pass today.  Millsaps just hit a big play into DePauw territory. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 04:29:31 PM
End of the third quarter in Danville, still 17-3 Trinity.  Centre intercepted a pass deep in their territory towards the end of the quarter.

Adam Blandford has been giving TU fits all days and finally breaks one 55 yards for six.  17-10 now early in the fourth (13:55).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 04:37:25 PM
 ;D

Millsaps just added another score and lead DePauw 31 to 7 with 8:03 to go in the 4th quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 04:40:55 PM
Centre picks off another pass deep in their territory and take over at their two. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 04:42:06 PM
Millsaps just picked off a fifth DePauw pass.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 21, 2006, 04:42:56 PM
Hey, one for the thumb.  Awesome.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 04:47:06 PM
Trinity stops Centre on a fake punt and takes over at the Centre 30, 4:30 remaning.   Three running plays yield nine plays, Tigers go for it on fourth down but the Colonels stop Barmore on a naked bootleg.  3:10 remaining from the Centre 21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 21, 2006, 04:48:56 PM
5:46 in 4th quarter
AC  38
Sewanee 20
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 21, 2006, 04:50:08 PM
DPU turns it over on downs with 2:00 left.  Millsaps will run out the clock.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 21, 2006, 04:50:49 PM
Majors hold the Tigers on 4th and four from inside the Majors ten yard line.  Millsaps now running out the clock with under two minutes to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 04:52:09 PM
2:21 shovel pass gains 25, Centre now at their 45.
2:15 long pass incomplete
2:10 complete to Adam Clark, 3rd & 2 from the TU 47.
Option play gains three, first down Centre at the TU 44.  2:03
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 04:52:22 PM
Millsaps wins this one 31-7.  Nice win for the Majors!  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 04:55:17 PM
Pass thrown behind the receiver, incomplete, 1:54.
quick pitch to Blandfield gains three, 3rd & 7, clock running. 
shovel pass works again, pick up of 15, 1:09, clock running.
QB keeper, pick up of three, timeout Centre, 0:46.1  Ball around the TU 26.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 21, 2006, 04:56:46 PM
4:32
AC 44
Sewanee 20

60 yard fumble return for TD by AC
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 04:58:49 PM
Pass to Clark nearly intercepted by Ishirl in the end zone.  3rd & 6, 38.7 secs.
Dustin Allen sacks QB Phelps for loss of nine, Centre takes last time out, 31.3 secs, 4th and 15.
Phelps' pass knocked down by Ishirl, ball goes over to Trinity on downs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 21, 2006, 05:01:32 PM
roocru, great weekend for you!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 21, 2006, 05:12:12 PM
Final
AC 44
Sewanee 20

Thanks Bill,  now if I had just voted with my heart instead of my head in the ASC pickem contest.  :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 21, 2006, 05:12:56 PM
roocru, I think there were some surprising games all over the country.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 21, 2006, 05:15:10 PM
Millsaps head coach Mike DuBose calls today's victory a "beautiful win" as opposed to last week's "ugly win" over Austin.  

Pertinent stats:  (unofficial)

Final score:  Millsaps 31 - DePauw 7

Rushing:  DePauw 28 carries for 115 yards    Millsaps 21 carries for 101 yards
Passing:  Depauw 194 yards       Millsaps 234 yards
Total offense: DePauw 309 yards       Millsaps 335 yards

Millsaps intercepted 5 DePauw passes (one for a TD).  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2006, 05:23:52 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 21, 2006, 05:12:56 PM
roocru, I think there were some surprising games all over the country.

A bad day to be ranked 20-25 in the D3football.com poll.  20, 21, 23, and 24 all lost today to unranked competition.   Trinity should get in the top 25 as a result next week, wouldn't surprise me to see Millsaps RV.   Congrats to Millsaps and Austin on the big wins ... today showed that Trinity will need to bring their "A" game to compete with the Majors, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 21, 2006, 06:00:39 PM
(El Tea Gray---in all due respect re: Trinity vs. Centre and Millsaps vs. DPU)

Trinity/"Bad Audio"-------------------------------17
Centre/"Bad Officials"---------------------------10

The above circumstances just "wears-one-out" (namely me).

Millsaps--------------------------------------------31
DPU-------------------------------------------------7

The five interceptions (one for a TD) by Millsaps had to just "wear-DPU-out".

                                                         :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 21, 2006, 06:13:16 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 21, 2006, 05:12:12 PM
Final
AC 44
Sewanee 20

Thanks Bill,  now if I had just voted with my heart instead of my head in the ASC pickem contest.  :P
This shows the good job Gage is doing and that the SCAC is a much better fit for Austin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on October 21, 2006, 09:29:05 PM
Just got a complete report  on the DePauw-Millsaps tilt...cograts to the Majors---great game plan and execution on both sides of the ball. The posts talking about a bright future at Millsaps are right on...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 21, 2006, 09:47:28 PM
Wow. Congrats Majors, great win. it's gonna come down to the TU/Millsaps game if nothing changes. This is why I love the SCAC. Nobody expected Millsaps to do anything this year in the SCAC. With a new coach, and a team that hadn't done that well in the past few years, it was a rebuilding year. But kudos to the coaches down there... great job getting the guys going and playing some great games.

It would have been interesting if they had pulled out those first few games... the SCAC could have had 2 playoff teams possibly.

The Rhodes game was as expected, 28-10 Rhodes. The defense played well, the offense came through. They played very well throughout the whole game.  It was a good game to watch, and I salute the Rhodes Lynx for a great win against a future SCAC opponent. Colorado is much better thatn I expected as a fan, and the Lynx kept them in check the whole game. Great gameplan by the coaches, and very well executed by the players.

I was proven wrong, a good gameplan and talented and smart players are more important that playing the Homecoming game. Colorado will be fun next year in the SCAC. Can't wait.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2006, 10:14:52 PM
Hunter, I really don't think that a 2-loss Trinity earns a Pool C bid.

Millsaps' only chance is to earn the Pool A bid.  A 6-4 South Region record for Millsaps doesn't get a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 21, 2006, 10:49:33 PM
I agree that Millsaps only chance is to beat TU and win the SCAC, and that if that happens, Trinity will not go to the playoffs with 2 losses.

It comes down the the TU/Millsaps game.

what I meant with my previous comments was that we have, right now, two playoff caliber teams. Not that they will each make the playoffs. sorry for the confusion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2006, 11:11:54 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 21, 2006, 10:49:33 PM
what I meant with my previous comments was that we have, right now, two playoff caliber teams. Not that they will each make the playoffs. sorry for the confusion.

Thanks for the clarification.  If that is the calibre of the 2 SCAC teams then the pinnacle of the SCAC is down.  Now I am going on the first 3 non-conference games, and we haven't seen what DuBose can do with an off-season porgram.  And, how long does DuBose do D3?

Whom will Millsaps keep for their non-conference games next year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 22, 2006, 08:16:11 AM
Wow,,, the old 'homecoming buzz-saw'...  I don't like homecooking from KY that well...  just give it to one- time family style without the vinegar!  Centre played their butts off, and the refs tried real hard, but TU outlasted both....  That's the WORST ref'ed game I have ever witnessed (and I've seen some dandys).

Amend that previous discussion about being GEEKED-UP at homecoming with being GEEKED-UP and PROPPED UP by referees....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 22, 2006, 11:58:56 AM
With the score still tied 7-7, a DePauw photographer basically said to me, "Millsaps is 5 times better than last year--they are so much better organized."  Keep in mind that all he saw of Millsaps last year was their 14-51 loss to DePauw, but it obviously didn't take much time to recognize that Millsaps is a totally different team this season.  There is no question in my mind that Coach DuBose is the key to the turnaround.

I don't know Coach DuBose (and I seriously doubt that he knows my name) so all I can tell you is what I see from the sideline when I'm taking photos.  If you asked me for a one word description, that word would be "trusting".  He seems to have a tremendous amount of trust in his staff and his players and they seem determined to live up to that trust.  Just some example:

--He trusted the plan of not worrying about early wins and losses but using non-conference games to prepare for SCAC play.  That's gutsy for a first year coach but it seems brilliant now.

--During the game he lets his staff do their job.  I'm sure he gives a lot of input during game preparations and here and there throughout the game, but he doesn't wear a headset and he often is away from the assistants when they are calling the plays.  You would think a guy with his D1 resume would try to run the entire show but his staff gets a lot of freedom during game time.

--He and the coaching staff seem to have a lot of trust in his players.  Burt Pereira came into yesterday's game with 4 catches for 57 yards but with Eric McCarty injured they had confidence to throw to Burt early and often and he finished with 8 catches on the day.  The fake field goal that resulted in a touchdown was pulled off by two freshmen--if you prove that you can play in practice the coaches trust you enough to put you on the field and they count on you to come up with big plays.

One last thing about Coach DuBose.  I would have expected a stirring speech to the team after the game yesterday, a chance for the head coach to bask in the glory.  Instead he asked senior lineman Conell Phillips to address the team and it just gave me the feeling that Coach DuBose isn't out there for any ego boost but he simply takes a tremendous amount of pride in the players and helping them develope.  Hopefully he is at a point in his life where the coaching turntable isn't very appealing and he'll stay and build a legacy at Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2006, 02:16:34 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 22, 2006, 11:58:56 AM
With the score still tied 7-7, a DePauw photographer basically said to me, "Millsaps is 5 times better than last year--they are so much better organized."  Keep in mind that all he saw of Millsaps last year was their 14-51 loss to DePauw, but it obviously didn't take much time to recognize that Millsaps is a totally different team this season.  There is no question in my mind that Coach DuBose is the key to the turnaround.

I don't know Coach DuBose (and I seriously doubt that he knows my name) so all I can tell you is what I see from the sideline when I'm taking photos.  If you asked me for a one word description, that word would be "trusting".  He seems to have a tremendous amount of trust in his staff and his players and they seem determined to live up to that trust.  Just some example:

--He trusted the plan of not worrying about early wins and losses but using non-conference games to prepare for SCAC play.  That's gutsy for a first year coach but it seems brilliant now.

--During the game he lets his staff do their job.  I'm sure he gives a lot of input during game preparations and here and there throughout the game, but he doesn't wear a headset and he often is away from the assistants when they are calling the plays.  You would think a guy with his D1 resume would try to run the entire show but his staff gets a lot of freedom during game time.

--He and the coaching staff seem to have a lot of trust in his players.  Burt Pereira came into yesterday's game with 4 catches for 57 yards but with Eric McCarty injured they had confidence to throw to Burt early and often and he finished with 8 catches on the day.  The fake field goal that resulted in a touchdown was pulled off by two freshmen--if you prove that you can play in practice the coaches trust you enough to put you on the field and they count on you to come up with big plays.

One last thing about Coach DuBose.  I would have expected a stirring speech to the team after the game yesterday, a chance for the head coach to bask in the glory.  Instead he asked senior lineman Conell Phillips to address the team and it just gave me the feeling that Coach DuBose isn't out there for any ego boost but he simply takes a tremendous amount of pride in the players and helping them develope.  Hopefully he is at a point in his life where the coaching turntable isn't very appealing and he'll stay and build a legacy at Millsaps.

Excellent Post, Frank +1!

I took the comment about not wearing a headset to be real "D1-ish"!  He trusts his assistants coaches to execute the gameplan!  Those guys are not going to let him down!  They have authority because he gave it to them, which is even more empowering!  Your really bust your rear-end when you don't want to let down someone whom you really admire.

It is not about him; it is about the team.  The senior leadership among the players take the responsibility very seriously.  Who is in the weight room 24/7?  The Head Coach cannot be, but the senior leadership can provide the spirit necessary to "be there" mentally, 24/7.

Your post suggests that DuBose is demonstrating real leadership!  That is infectious!  Players, especially players with the full set of tools that Millsaps can attract, will respond to that.

In D-1 football, we have seen the game overrun with athlete-students, whose primary talents are physical.  Millsaps can attract those student-athletes who had previously thought of quitting football and doing the SEC party/fraternity life.  The south has hundreds of quality student-athletes who love to play the game, who aren't now!  They quit football after high school and go to Tuscaloosa or Oxford or Starkville or Baton Rouge or Gainesville or Auburn and party.

Thanks!  Let's watch for that to manifest itself over the next decade.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: lynxcat on October 22, 2006, 04:16:28 PM
Since Depauw has two conference losses now, Rhodes controls its own destiny, in addition to Milsaps and Trinity.  If Rhodes wins out they would have at least a share of the SCAC title, and would win the head-to-head tie breaker with Trinity and/or Milsaps (lots of assumptions, I know).  I guess my point is that the last 3 weeks of SCAC play have the potential to be real exciting, because the top 3 teams in the conference all have a shot at the title, and all still have to play each other.

It should be an interesting game this week with Trinity.  Looks like they had a rough time against Centre.  Rhodes, however, has always had a tough time in San Antonio, hopefully they can break that habbit this weekend. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2006, 04:42:17 PM
Rhodes may control its own destiny but having to win @ Trinity and vs. Millsaps means it definitely has the hardest road of the three contenders. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 22, 2006, 09:44:13 PM
This Saturday will answer if Rhodes is a contender.  I expect Trinity to keep their home streak alive.  At least Rhodes is still alive in late October.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 23, 2006, 07:45:36 AM
I agree that Rhodes has had a great year, and they deserve it by the way they're playing.

This saturday is the test. It's going to be a hard one because, well, it's Trinity in San Antonio. We've all seen what happens down there. It's a tough place to play, and the Lynx have to play a good game all the way around in order to stay in the hunt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2006, 08:49:49 AM
I wanted to respond to something Ralph Turner wrote:

"It is not about him; it is about the team.  The senior leadership among the players take the responsibility very seriously.  Who is in the weight room 24/7?  The Head Coach cannot be, but the senior leadership can provide the spirit necessary to "be there" mentally, 24/7."

I graduated from Millsaps in 1973 and there was a stretch of about 25 years before and after that time when the Millsaps football coaching staff was Harper Davis and Tommy Ranager (which is why the current team plays on Harper Davis Field and gets ready in the Tommy Ranager field house).  I'm sure many of you old-timers can remember when it was just a couple of guys coaching the school's football team.

I'm not saying that was a better situation than today's larger staffs, but it did mean that the seniors on the team had to take on a leadership role and they had to shoulder more responsibilities than just being players if the team was going to be a success.  It was a fantastic learning and growing opportunity for those senior players and that's really the true value of sports, especially sports played at the D3 level.  If the guys learn how to lead on the football team, they will learn how to lead in work situations, community, etc. 

As I said earlier, I hope Coach DuBose finds Millsaps to be a comfortable place for this time in his life and I hope he'll stay long enough that we'll have to build something to named after him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 23, 2006, 10:20:01 AM

It was written earlier that Millsaps looks much better organized and then written that DuBose lets his assistants do their jobs.  Being a coach right now, I cannot tell you how much sense that makes because I've seen what happens when head coaches play their hand in all parts of the team's mobilization.  It means that each unit (off, def, st) has two chiefs.  The players don't know which coach should have their attention if there's a conflict, nor can you get the right people or play into the huddle without some sort of problem.  You can't even warm up and look organized if every assistant has to constantly hear about what they should be doing from their head coach. 

That's great work by Mike and a great performance last week.  Let's see what happens before we crown him Coach of the Year.  There are other coaches in the conference that have done great work for a whole lot longer. 

One thing has me curious.  Does anyone know how Juan Joseph is doing in school?  His high school's football program is incredibly good but the school is equally bad at getting all their great players into college.  We have one of his high school teammates here at Tulane, and he is one guy who's smart that was not ready for college.  If he's getting by on his own, good for him! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2006, 11:19:44 AM
I'm certainly not ready to crown Millsaps as SCAC champions or hand out any post season awards.  There are a lot of good coaches in the league but you have to tip your hat to a coach when a team wins 31-7 against a team that beat them by 37 points the previous season.  Keep in mind that Millsaps finished last year at 2-7 and 1-5 in the SCAC which makes it remarkable that they even are in the conversation for a SCAC championship this season.

As for Juan Joseph's grades, I don't know and I really don't think that's a subject for this message board.  Certainly it is a factor when guys can and can't play due to injuries or grades or misconduct, etc., but I would hate to see anything on this board that could be taken as even hinting at slander against any individual player in the league. 

By saying, "If he's getting by on his own, good for him" you are indicating your doubts that anyone from his school can make it academically at Millsaps and there's a good chance that he is just being given his grades to keep him eligible for football.  That comes out as both an insult to Juan and an insult to the Millsaps coaches and administration.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2006, 04:08:02 PM
I agree with Frank, TU2698. This becomes our business if he is declared ineligible, and not before.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 23, 2006, 05:01:39 PM

In hindsight I'll agree with that.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2006, 05:10:53 PM
That's probably a good idea. I remember how up in arms you got over your false assumption that I was accusing your alma mater of cheating somehow at home games. Imagine what it's like when Millsaps people read what you wrote, which is far more damning ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 23, 2006, 05:20:06 PM
SCAC Gridiron Weekly - Week 8
http://www.scac-online.org/football/102306footballupdate.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/football/102306footballupdate.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 23, 2006, 05:26:19 PM
Okay, that wasn't about Millsaps, Pat.  Obviously you've not been faced with what I see daily around here which is high school graduates from small towns in Louisiana who can barely form a written sentence and I say that literally.  Here, on athletic scholarship, they get their hands held through the whole process and can barely stay in it.  I'm thrilled for the kid if he can make it at a school like Millsaps who's not going to provide those services, which is what I said before.   That's why it caught my attention.  The kid is performing a remarkable feat.  I was feeling totally apologetic about what I wrote until you had to stand up and beat your chest. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 23, 2006, 06:23:38 PM

Frank,

That truly is not what I meant.  I've never had anything but respect for Millsaps as a school and I hope you recognized that in the face to face conversation that we had last spring in the hanger.  As for the player, read above.  If I have an accusation, I'm going to state it.  As part of my occupation, I have a deep rooted interest in student performance and not in cheating.  Still, I agree that his grades are not an appropriate topic of discussion in this forum and I won't mention it again.     

I think the anticipation of a big game in Jackson November 11th is probably getting people a little fired up. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2006, 06:33:27 PM
Perhaps that's a good note for you then as to how your previous comments can color how people perceive what you say later. I heard from two people who both thought I should have simply removed your post straight out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 23, 2006, 06:54:23 PM
I just hope Millsaps' focus is on the week at hand at not three weeks from now.  I would not overlook Sewanee and espcially Rhodes, both home games for the respective teams.  We should reserve our chatter for Millsaps vs. Trinity until Nov. 5th or so.  If Millsaps does not take care of business it may be a mute point anyway.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2006, 07:39:05 PM
Here's some news:

I was rolling hard through the mean streets of Greencastle late this afternoon when my old friends at WGRE reported that Tim Rogers has filed suit against DePauw University.

Haven't actually talked to anybody at WGRE with any info on the matter, just a story I heard over the air waves.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 23, 2006, 08:05:32 PM

For those of you that don't know, scholarship programs usually have an entire staff that is assigned to making sure the student-athletes remain eligible.  In the case of some that have never been held accountable for anything having to do with school, they are told precisely when and where to be every moment of the week, and are assigned tutors after having been told what classes to take.  Everything is paid for by the athletic department.  None of the schools in this conference has such a staff as far as I know, thus making student-athletes have to do everything "on their own."  If any grades have ever been given to student-athletes here, I know nothing about it and therefore would never claim it goes on elsewhere. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacman on October 23, 2006, 08:21:18 PM
Wow, BIG BROTHER is watching... PC Police meister....  TU2598 is a TU grad, who also happens to be in the Athletics Staff at D1 Tulane.  What he was trying to say (and he yhas alluded to it before) is that D1 scholarships athletes get unbelievable amounts of attention from people in his position to make sure that they attend classes, study, get all the help they need to stay out of trouble, and stay eligible.
No one that I know of from anywhere in DIII, let alone the SCAC can say that their admin offers those kinds of 'services' to student athletes.  He seems to know the area and the school and commented that he hoped at player FROM those environs, to those environs (Millsaps) would do well on his own,,, THAT'S ALL!!!!  Ease off Pat!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on October 23, 2006, 11:04:23 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 23, 2006, 05:01:39 PM

In hindsight I'll agree with that.   

Insert foot in mouth....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 23, 2006, 11:04:44 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 23, 2006, 10:20:01 AM


One thing has me curious.  Does anyone know how Juan Joseph is doing in school?  His high school's football program is incredibly good but the school is equally bad at getting all their great players into college.  We have one of his high school teammates here at Tulane, and he is one guy who's smart that was not ready for college.  If he's getting by on his own, good for him! 

Scacman,

to an unbiased observer, which I certainly am here, the above statement CAN be (and in my case, was) taken as a swipe at Juan Joseph because of the glowing endorsement of his High School teammate's readiness for college.  

I'm probably not the only neutral observer in agreement with both Frank and Pat's response here.  Its not a big brother is watching scenario-- imagine what kind of messages could be written on postpatterns, if there wasn't moderation of the board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2006, 11:32:23 PM
And now after a phone call or two, the rest of the details as I've been told.  This is from a few student journalists who've been doing some digging through records at the Putnam County Courthouse.

Right now, this below stands as a bit of hearsay, but it's what I know:

It seems that the suit alledges that there were some... discrepancies... between Coach Rogers and the administration on the philosophy of the hiring of assistant coaches.  It seems that the suit claims that the University was requiring Rogers to hire a certain number of (if not all) assistants that were minorities. 

Again, if I understand correctly, Coach Rogers wanted to be completely non-discriminatory in his hirings and hire his assistants based on other things than race.  It seems, according to what I've heard, that this discrepancy is what ultimately led to Coach's dismissal. 

I'm also told that there's some pretty damning evidence against the University in this situation.  My source seemed very surprised at some of the things that were unearthed.  I hope to get a peek at all these public records in the next couple days. 

Perhaps some of the things that the 4thandalong4 had to say aren't exactly that far off base.  Doesn't make me like him anymore, though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 23, 2006, 11:50:23 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on October 23, 2006, 11:32:23 PMPerhaps some of the things that the 4thandalong4 had to say aren't exactly that far off base.

I was thinking the same thing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2006, 12:28:32 AM
Quote from: scacman on October 23, 2006, 08:21:18 PM
Wow, BIG BROTHER is watching... PC Police meister....  TU2598 is a TU grad, who also happens to be in the Athletics Staff at D1 Tulane.  What he was trying to say (and he yhas alluded to it before) is that D1 scholarships athletes get unbelievable amounts of attention from people in his position to make sure that they attend classes, study, get all the help they need to stay out of trouble, and stay eligible.
No one that I know of from anywhere in DIII, let alone the SCAC can say that their admin offers those kinds of 'services' to student athletes.  He seems to know the area and the school and commented that he hoped at player FROM those environs, to those environs (Millsaps) would do well on his own,,, THAT'S ALL!!!!  Ease off Pat!

Historymajor, how many usernames do you need?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 24, 2006, 12:50:30 AM
Pardon my soapbox appearance:

I'll accept TU2698's apology regarding Juan Joseph.   On another note, TU2698 raises a fundamental talking point of why D-III athletics is so great!  He states that in scholarship programs student-athletes are told "precisely when and where to be every moment of the week, and are assigned tutors after having been told what classes to take."  I certainly understand that he made this statement as a generality, but D-III student-athletes do carry a lot of the burden of the process of their matriculation, whereas at the D-I level, and I would assume at the D-II level, student-athletes are extended many more opportunities to help them academically.  Having worked in compliance at a West Coast Conference school for the past 6 months, I am aware of what goes on behind the scenes regarding eligibility at a D-I school.  In short, student-athletes have at their disposal an academic support department which is overseen by the compliance department.  There are many levels of oversight to help ensure progress toward degree requirements.  And students get notified if they are in danger of not meeting particular standards.    

But I tell our student-athletes every chance I get to take ownership of their "academics" just like they take ownership of their "athletics."  I try to instill in them to accept responsibility for their actions.  I learned these values as a baseball student-athlete at Millsaps.  Too often on the D-I level I have seen first hand or heard of student-athletes who complain and get mom and dad involved when they fail to succeed in the classroom.  They try to bite the hand that feeds him, when they really need to direct blame at themselves and resolve to get it right.  I'm not in the business of babysitting student-athletes.  But I am in the business of being a resource for them.  To that end, D-III schools do have built in resource systems on the institutional level, but D-III student-athletes know how to UTILIZE them as opposed to USE them.    D-I student-athletes could learn a lot from D-III student-athletes.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2006, 07:22:58 AM
Maybe I can have the last word on the Juan Joseph story.  I do think TU2698's comment came out different than intended and I've had that happen to me from time to time, so apologies accepted and no hard feelings.

Regarding Juan (who just won his 3rd Offensive POW in the last 4 weeks), I should point out that he was not an instant success at Millsaps.  At the start of last year it was between Juan and Burt Pereira for the #3 QB position.  Raymece Savage was the starter and when he got hurt it was freshman Billy Orsagh who took over.  Juan didn't really get to play until the last 2 games after Orsagh was injured.

I assume that he put in a tremendous amount of work to move from a bench warmer to being a stats leader in the SCAC in one year.  It's not a stretch for me to believe that he is just as dedicated to his school work.  Like all students at Millsaps, if he did need extra help in any particular area then I'm sure he found it thanks to the high professional standards of the Millsaps professors and the low 12 to 1 student to teacher ratio (my shameless plug for Millsaps College).

And now with all that behind us, I agree with exmajor that Millsaps needs to take care of the business at hand and not look forward to the Trinity game.  Sewanee played great on the road in their 24-31 loss to DePauw and then they laid an egg at home last week with a 20-44 loss to Austin.  I don't count on the Sewanee players quitting on the season and I suspect that Millsaps will get the best that Sewanee has to offer this weekend.  Combine that best effort with an unfocused Millsaps team and I certainly see the potential for an upset.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2006, 08:39:49 AM
Before going on to the Sewanee game, some of you may want to see photos from the Millsaps-DePauw game.  As always, they are under the "Football 2006" section at the following link:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/

I wish I had time to add captions to these photos but there are just too many sports and too little time.  Just as an aside, I'm really trying hard to get photos with recognizable faces this year and I have most of those posted in the football section under "Players and Coaches".  These are some of my favorite photos since they portray real people instead of just anonymous players recognizable only by their jersey number.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2006, 09:29:32 AM
I'm sure Juan Joseph has worked hard to get off the bench.  At the same time, it could also be that his playing style suits what DuBose expects at the QB spot, and complements the talent he has at Millsaps.  Whatever the reasons, it's been an effective move for the Majors.

At this point in the season, it would seem that both DuBose and Joseph are way out front for end of the season SCAC honors.  The offensive PotY competition is Satterfield and Marks; the only other possibility right now for CotY would be Joe White, and that only if Rhodes manages to win out.   DPoY seems like Dustin Hertel but there's still time for others to make an impact. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 24, 2006, 10:36:52 AM
Re: Rogers

4thandalong4 and Rogers are friends, so he would have info related to this situation before the rest of us.

That being said, this is between the university and Rogers, and has nothing to do with the football team today.  This is background noise.  It's Walker's team now, and he needs to make sure his players are focused on Centre and future opponents.

I'm not sure how much this even affects the program going forward, so long as the administration gets out of its own way and gets behind the current coaching staff.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2006, 12:25:32 PM
There was one pretty emphatic tirade by one 4thandalong4 on one fateful day against yours truly, and I haven't seen him around these parts since. 

However, I do agree with wabashcpa's sentiments.  I don't really forsee this being a big problem for the current program or players.  I think many of them are happy to be playing for Coach Walk. 

Beat Centre.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2006, 02:34:39 PM
From what is being reported by WGRE (they do play some of the best music on the internet) apparently Coach Rogers claims that the administration wanted changes made in his staff and he was fired when he questioned it.  I also don't see where this would be a factor in the current season except that they had a change in coaching late in the 2006 school year.

Also heard that the loss by DePauw Saturday was their worst since 2002.  In a way that surprised me but then it made me think about just how good DePauw has been over that stretch of time and it makes sense that they hadn't lost by that much in several years. 

There was one similarity between the DePauw game and the Centre game that concerns me--both teams had 5 turnovers against Millsaps.  Certainly the defense gets some credit for creating turnovers but it's not like you can count on getting that many turnovers game after game.  I can't necessarly say that Sewanee and Rhodes are better than Centre and DePauw, but I could see those games as being much closer scores if Sewanee and Rhodes manage to play error-free ball against the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
Frank, IMO most of the interceptions came as a result of DPU getting down and having to abandon the best part of their offensive game, which is Jeremiah Marks.   Spud had to go to the air, the Majors knew it and were lying in wait.  Spud's a youngun and isn't experienced enough yet to deal with that kind of a situation. 

In other words, Millsaps put itself in position for those turnovers.  They weren't gifts.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2006, 02:34:39 PM
Also heard that the loss by DePauw Saturday was their worst since 2002.  In a way that surprised me but then it made me think about just how good DePauw has been over that stretch of time and it makes sense that they hadn't lost by that much in several years. 

And what a fun, fun day that was in November '02.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 24, 2006, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 24, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
Frank, IMO most of the interceptions came as a result of DPU getting down and having to abandon the best part of their offensive game, which is Jeremiah Marks.   Spud had to go to the air, the Majors knew it and were lying in wait.  Spud's a youngun and isn't experienced enough yet to deal with that kind of a situation. 

In other words, Millsaps put itself in position for those turnovers.  They weren't gifts.  :)

According to the summary of the game on DPU's web site:

PASSING  Cmp-Att-Int  Yds  TD  Long  Sack 
Abe Winkle   12-20-4  68  0  14  1 
Spud Dick   13-20-1  123  1  31  1

Given that this is the only information I have and assuming it is accurate, then I don't know how badly he handled the situation.  Obviously, a loss is still a loss, but Spud threw only one of the five interceptions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 24, 2006, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2006, 02:34:39 PM
Also heard that the loss by DePauw Saturday was their worst since 2002.  In a way that surprised me but then it made me think about just how good DePauw has been over that stretch of time and it makes sense that they hadn't lost by that much in several years. 

And what a fun, fun day that was in November '02.   :)

Though not near as fun as that November day in 1998!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Werner99 on October 24, 2006, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2006, 02:34:39 PM
Also heard that the loss by DePauw Saturday was their worst since 2002.  In a way that surprised me but then it made me think about just how good DePauw has been over that stretch of time and it makes sense that they hadn't lost by that much in several years. 

And what a fun, fun day that was in November '02.   :)

Though not near as fun as that November day in 1998!   :)

Perhaps...of course, 2002 wasn't marred by game controversy, riot police, and knucklehead students destroying anything they could get their hands on.   All in all, a better day for everybody involved.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 24, 2006, 03:52:57 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 03:28:19 PM
Quote from: Werner99 on October 24, 2006, 03:22:20 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 03:14:10 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2006, 02:34:39 PM
Also heard that the loss by DePauw Saturday was their worst since 2002.  In a way that surprised me but then it made me think about just how good DePauw has been over that stretch of time and it makes sense that they hadn't lost by that much in several years. 

And what a fun, fun day that was in November '02.   :)

Though not near as fun as that November day in 1998!   :)

Perhaps...of course, 2002 wasn't marred by game controversy, riot police, and knucklehead students destroying anything they could get their hands on.   All in all, a better day for everybody involved.  ;)

There was plenty of blame to go around for both sides regarding the riot police and knucklehead students that day.  All in all, it is good to see the violence settled in the field of play today.

In all seriousness, you don't have a leg to stand on regarding the so-called "game controversy"  ;)

1. The NCAA agreed with DPU that since they were no longer part of a conference, they should not be forced to follow conference rules.
2. Every team with any sense either sends an offensive play into the huddle with a player or uses two people giving hand signals on the sideline so that the other team can not figure out the signals.
3. If the DPU defense is continuously calling out the plays before the snap, then you would think the smart guys at Wabash might figure out a different way to get the plays into the huddle.  Even the Wabash students working the chains realized what was going on yet the play calling method was never adjusted.
4. Finally, I don't think DPU knew any of your defensive plays yet the DPU offense scored 35 points in the first half alone.

I was able to get my tickets yesterday.  Be sure to have our Bell shined up with a fresh coat of polish so she looks good when we bring her home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 24, 2006, 04:02:06 PM
Quote from: Werner99 on October 24, 2006, 03:52:57 PMIn all seriousness, you don't have a leg to stand on regarding the so-called "game controversy"  ;)

1. The NCAA agreed with DPU that since they were no longer part of a conference, they should not be forced to follow conference rules.
2. Every team with any sense either sends an offensive play into the huddle with a player or uses two people giving hand signals on the sideline so that the other team can not figure out the signals.
3. If the DPU defense is continuously calling out the plays before the snap, then you would think the smart guys at Wabash might figure out a different way to get the plays into the huddle.  Even the Wabash students working the chains realized what was going on yet the play calling method was never adjusted.
4. Finally, I don't think DPU knew any of your defensive plays yet the DPU offense scored 35 points in the first half alone.

I can't believe I'm saying this....but you're right.

I've always blamed that day on ourselves more than Depauw. Even the fighting afterward. It's funny the difference two years can make. In 1996 I was one of the knuckleheads out there being an idiot. In 1998 I tried to help break it up. Go figure.  :-\

I know I'm in a vast minority of Wabash fans that feels that way, and the other Wallies can call me what they want. It doesn't change what happened. And all that ultimately matters is the score.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2006, 04:19:51 PM
Quote from: Werner99 on October 24, 2006, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 24, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
Frank, IMO most of the interceptions came as a result of DPU getting down and having to abandon the best part of their offensive game, which is Jeremiah Marks.   Spud had to go to the air, the Majors knew it and were lying in wait.  Spud's a youngun and isn't experienced enough yet to deal with that kind of a situation. 

In other words, Millsaps put itself in position for those turnovers.  They weren't gifts.  :)

According to the summary of the game on DPU's web site:

PASSING  Cmp-Att-Int  Yds  TD  Long  Sack 
Abe Winkle   12-20-4  68  0  14  1 
Spud Dick   13-20-1  123  1  31  1

Given that this is the only information I have and assuming it is accurate, then I don't know how badly he handled the situation.  Obviously, a loss is still a loss, but Spud threw only one of the five interceptions.

You're right, that's what listening to three different games on Saturday will do to one's memory.  Apologies to Spud. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 04:27:31 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on October 24, 2006, 04:02:06 PM
I know I'm in a vast minority of Wabash fans that feels that way, and the other Wallies can call me what they want. It doesn't change what happened. And all that ultimately matters is the score.

I've called you all kinds of things, LG.  And not always because of this.   :)

Can't argue with anybody who says that Wabash should have called their plays in a different fashion after about the first 30 seconds of the game.  Nor will I argue that it had much of anything to do with Depauw running up six touchdowns.  But I'll give you some credit for admitting that it did happen as opposed to some of your DPU brethren who will deny until the day they die that there was ever any controversy and subsequent NCAA ruling on said controversy.....

Quote from: DPU3619 on September 21, 2006, 02:58:39 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 21, 2006, 02:01:41 PM
I've not seen teams run up and down the field on Wabash like this since you guys got in our playbook in '98. 

You mentioning that reminded me of Coach Nick's story about your highfalutin theory, there.  That gave me a good chuckle.  Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 04:30:38 PM
Well, It is great to be missed.  A few topics to discuss.  First, Rogers dismissal affects this years team, and next years team.  Reason(s):

1:  The new coaches aren't that experienced (good)
2:  They don't recruit well, that is a fact
3:  The kids are aware of all that is going on

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, the guilty know who they are, and I wish the rest of them the best of luck.

Subject 2, Knucklehead idiots fighting at football games.

1:  The ones fighting aren't even the athletes
2:  I am a Bash grad, and our knucleheads weren't athletes.
3:  I have been to more DPU and Wabash games, than just about all of you (35), and the behavior has been that way for years, the idiot Frat boys flex their beach muscles and try to take credit for the bell ( right radio guy).
4:  It won't change

I hope DePauw does as well as possible, except against "Dear Old Wabash", I hope idiot frat boys get a clue, and I hope the guilty get what they deserve.  (Hey Lil' Giant you going to the game this year).  Ohy, yes I am Tim Rogers friend, and yes I am in the know.l

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 24, 2006, 04:39:38 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 04:30:38 PMHey Lil' Giant you going to the game this year

Nope. I've taken enough time off from work this year that I can't really justify another couple of missed days. I'll be watching from the SA telecast party.

Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 04:30:38 PMthe idiot Frat boys flex their beach muscles and try to take credit for the bell ( right radio guy).

This is the first time in a long time it's been good to be a GDI. ;)

What you describe doesn't just happen at Wabash and Depauw. It happens everywhere there is a rivalry. I know plenty of Longhorns and Aggies that take the Thanksgiving (aka T+1) game as personally as the players. Even moreso sometimes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 04:48:08 PM
RE: knucklehead fans in general and specifically knucklehead fans from the '96 and '98 "incidents" at the Bell game....just want to be clear that I was in no way pointing the finger in anybody's direction.  Nobody is/was right in those situations.  Not even LG.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 24, 2006, 04:52:05 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 04:48:08 PMNot even LG.

Especially not me. It was my least proud moment of college. And THAT is saying something.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 24, 2006, 05:47:25 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 24, 2006, 04:48:08 PM
RE: knucklehead fans in general and specifically knucklehead fans from the '96 and '98 "incidents" at the Bell game....just want to be clear that I was in no way pointing the finger in anybody's direction.  Nobody is/was right in those situations.  Not even LG.   :)

Wally, You were clear.

I appreciate the SCAC posters allowing the rest of us to talk about what did and did not happen 10 years ago against our biggest rival.  I have a feeling we will be revisiting this for at least another 10 years so it will be interesting how much is remembered about what happened at that point!  As you can tell, we are able to be civil even though the sting of the memories (1994 and 1995 for me) are vivid enough to make me sick and the joy of the victories (1996 & 1997) are too good to describe.

We will move the discussion to another thread as the game gets closer.  This is just a little preview of what is about to happen in three weeks!

As far as Rogers, I will avoid judgement until all the facts are released.  However, I can't emphasize enough how important the seniors are to this team.  They have endured an experience that few others in any level of college football have experienced.  How well the team responds after being knocked out of contention for the playoffs and conference title will speak to their character and leadership.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2006, 06:09:38 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 04:30:38 PM
Well, It is great to be missed.  

I know I did, that's for sure. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on October 24, 2006, 06:15:08 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 04:30:38 PM
Well, It is great to be missed.  A few topics to discuss.  First, Rogers dismissal affects this years team, and next years team.  Reason(s):

1:  The new coaches aren't that experienced (good)
2:  They don't recruit well, that is a fact
3:  The kids are aware of all that is going on

I am not pointing fingers at anyone, the guilty know who they are, and I wish the rest of them the best of luck.

are you saying Rogers and Kaz were good recruiters  ???

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2006, 06:16:18 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 04:30:38 PM
3:  I have been to more DPU and Wabash games, than just about all of you (35), and the behavior has been that way for years, the idiot Frat boys flex their beach muscles and try to take credit for the bell ( right radio guy).

I guess I'm confused at what you're implying here.  I take very little credit for 2004.  I was just happy to be a part of it.  Was a pretty cool deal to stand on the sideline and be a part of the team that won the Bell.  One of the greatest moments in my lifetime. 

I haven't been to as many Bell games as you, but I've been to many of them.  I grew up in Putnam County and have been a part of this rivalry for quite some time.  It really did mean a lot to me to be a "part" (I use that term loosely) of the staff that worked for Coach Lynch. 

I had the upmost respect for Coach Lynch, as I did for Coach Rogers, and I do now for Coach Walk.  I honestly don't have a bad thing to say about any of them.  I have not and will not criticize them, any other Coach or player. 

I'll be the first to admit that I was somewhat affected by the Greencastle rumor mill and passed a judgement or two on Coach Rogers immediately following his firing that I now regret.  I have seen a copy of the suit and certainly wish him the best in his fight.

I will say this.  If everything in the suit turns out to be true, I'm going to be one pissed off alum that I just gave that school about $120,000 of my money.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 06:20:44 PM
Well,

Kaz can't recruit, that's why he went to Butler.  Rogers could, I believe, if they would have given him a chance.  I think they have one guy from way up north who busts his butt, but other than that, they'll be very mediocre.  Nick could close the deal, Billy ( I guess) could close the deal, but they had clout, what does Walker have, a winning Baseball record.  Oh well, just my opinion, and Walker is getting NO HELP from his asst's, everyone knows that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 06:27:05 PM
DPU 3619,

Maybe i am to hard on you.  I assume you are a good person.  I, this may be flawed, only viewed the team members as part of the team.  I am sure you did your job, but what i was alluding to was the "hangers on."  Never could stand'em.  Coach Nick, known him since he came here, Lynch, din't know him, but family did, Liked them a bunch.  Walker, I think the world of, great kid, great family, and a good "DePauw" man.  I wish him nothing but the best, the deal is what he was given, what "they" wanted to give T Rogers, NO HELP.

I appreciate your dedication to your school, but, at some point you need to look at the whole picture (I think you are beginning to look, check those public records).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2006, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 06:27:05 PM
I assume you are a good person. 

Just not to Wabash or their kind.  That's all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 06:49:46 PM
DPU3619,

Typical, you non athletes internalize this rivalry like you have earned it.  I appreciate you do your job.  But your job has no affect on the game.  Both schools are great institutions, true.  But let the players recall the rivalry, after all, they are the reason it exists, true.  Oh, and I can't be as short sighted as you, a large portion of my family graduated from DePauw, and embrace them even because of that ( just kidding, DPU is great, they paid for me to go to college, and I was there a short while).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on October 24, 2006, 07:04:02 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 06:20:44 PM
Well,

Kaz can't recruit, that's why he went to Butler.  Rogers could, I believe, if they would have given him a chance.  I think they have one guy from way up north who busts his butt, but other than that, they'll be very mediocre.  Nick could close the deal, Billy ( I guess) could close the deal, but they had clout, what does Walker have, a winning Baseball record.  Oh well, just my opinion, and Walker is getting NO HELP from his asst's, everyone knows that.

well...we agree on Kaz...imo Rogers was too "Chicago"...folks don't understand how recruiting skills are so valuable at D3...i like your reference to "closing the deal"  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 07:20:29 PM
Thanks Scotty,  It is just a weird situation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on October 24, 2006, 07:46:21 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 07:20:29 PM
Thanks Scotty,  It is just a weird situation.

it truly is...and a sad one at that... :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2006, 08:25:44 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 06:49:46 PM
DPU3619,

Typical, you non athletes internalize this rivalry like you have earned it.  But let the players recall the rivalry, after all, they are the reason it exists, true. 

I'll respectfully disagree and call it a day.  I've had enough of whatever kool-aid you've been drinking for one day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 24, 2006, 08:42:21 PM
Dislcaimer for the SCACers. We're about 3 weeks early for the usual Wabash/Depauw takeover of this board. Please indulge me this last post.

Quote from: DPU3619 on October 24, 2006, 06:43:29 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 06:27:05 PM
I assume you are a good person. 

Just not to Wabash or their kind.  That's all.

DPU3619,

I used to feel the same way about you guys.

In 1999, my first year of law school, I got a different perspective of what "rivalry" means. That, as you may recall, was the year that 12 Texas A&M students died when their bonfire stack collapsed. Half my law school class went to either UT or A&M and I have family who are alumni of each school.

On the day of the big game a bunch of us from school, some of whom were alumni of the two schools, got together at a friend's house to watch. This is the halftime show from the UT band. I can assure you there wasn't a dry eye in the house.

http://lhb.music.utexas.edu/shows_1999/1999/amazinggrace_hi.ram (http://lhb.music.utexas.edu/shows_1999/1999/amazinggrace_hi.ram)

The UT/A&M rivalry has been a lot less nasty since that game. The idiodic display after the 96 and 98 Bell Games was a lot of things, but it didn't kill anyone. My attitude toward you guys changed after what I saw Longhorns and Aggies do in 1999 because I hoped we didn't need a tragedy to make us act or think in a more mature and civilized manner toward each other.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on October 24, 2006, 09:04:24 PM
and not a dry eye in this house either...we lost a young lady from our community...thank you...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 09:13:01 PM
Kudos LiL Giant,

Keep the rivalry on the feild where it was meant to be.  That is what I mean Rdio Guy or Dpu 1632 or whatever, let the players decide it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2006, 09:17:30 PM
I meant that kinda half-heartedly and I apologize if it was taken as me being a jerk.


Secondly, let's stop having fans and selling tickets to Monon.  We don't need fans, in your eyes apparently.  Fans don't have a right to be there, remember it, talk about it, or (and this is worst one) joke about it.  What a shame that there are folks who never buttoned the chin strap on their helmet that care about the rivalry.  Damned travesty.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on October 24, 2006, 09:51:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 24, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
Frank, IMO most of the interceptions came as a result of DPU getting down and having to abandon the best part of their offensive game, which is Jeremiah Marks.   Spud had to go to the air, the Majors knew it and were lying in wait.  Spud's a youngun and isn't experienced enough yet to deal with that kind of a situation. 

In other words, Millsaps put itself in position for those turnovers.  They weren't gifts.  :)

You are correct in giving props to Millsaps defense---they played very well...as did the offense. Great game plan and execution on both sides of the ball...seems as though Millsaps will be a team to rekon with in the SCAC... As for the freshman, Spud---he handled himself fine---had a couple of bad reads...but made some nice throws and moved the ball. It's interesting to look at his numbers and improvement each week despite still sharing snaps with a qb whose performance (4 picks vs. Millsaps) is going in the opposite direction. one might understand the rotation early in the season...very puzzling now...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 10:04:14 PM
Radio Guy,

Let's not be so literal, and please take things in context.  The previous discussion concerned the fights and so on at the Monon games.  My view, a simple view, keep the fight on the field.  Also, let the bragging be done by those that have earned it.  Those who don't participate should enjoy it, but enjoy it only.  There is no reason for those who don't participate to throw the perverbial punch.  Stay in the stands and keep your distance. Please keep your enthusiasm, but appreciate those who truly fight the battle and shed their sweat.  Also, I said earlier, i am sure you did your job, and i know you did it well, i heard you on the radio.  But, you never made a tackle, ran a  yard or served as a practice dummy, either did the frat boys who flexed their beach muscles.  i wasn't singling you out, just the NON-ROSTER athletes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2006, 11:43:29 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 24, 2006, 10:04:14 PM
i wasn't singling you out, just the NON-ROSTER athletes.

I got it, dude.  Alright? I just disagree with you in principle.  Forget I even said anything. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2006, 07:33:51 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on October 24, 2006, 02:48:20 PM
Frank, IMO most of the interceptions came as a result of DPU getting down and having to abandon the best part of their offensive game, which is Jeremiah Marks....In other words, Millsaps put itself in position for those turnovers.  They weren't gifts.  :)

Ron--Just a return to this after the break for Bell game trash talk.  I do give the Millsaps defense credit for playing well and forcing situations which resulted in turnovers.  It's just that turnovers, especially 5 in one game, aren't a guarantee for even the best of defenses.  For example, the Millsaps defense had Lincoln and Austin in the same trailing position and they only got 1 turnover from each of the teams. 

I just wanted to point out that the 5 turnovers in the Centre and DePauw games resulted in wider margins of victory than you likely would have had if each of those teams had simply punted 4 or 5 extra times and made Millsaps work with a longer field.  As a partial observer, I do think Millsaps would have still won both games but the margin of victory wouldn't have been so great.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 02:56:19 PM
Why is Spud sharing duties?  Because the staff will not just make him the chief, ruffle some feathers and improve as a football team.  Just keep tap dancing to keep everyone warm and fuzzy.  Guess what happens,  you get trounced by a team that you beat 51-14 last season.  Dubose doing a great fob is not why Millsaps thrashed DePauw.  DePauw is slipping into mediocrity (again).  They refuse to push and demand the greatness the University should stand for.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 03:07:06 PM
Rogers was too Chicago?  Sheez, You should be glad to have the Mulligan kid catching balls for DePauw.  Rogers was also the primary recruiter of Spud.  The 2006 signing class is exceptional, mostly due to 2 of the coaches on last years staff.  Neither of those coach's are on the current staff. By the way, one of those coach's happens to be T. Rogers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on October 25, 2006, 04:26:00 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 03:07:06 PM
Rogers was too Chicago?  Sheez, You should be glad to have the Mulligan kid catching balls for DePauw.  Rogers was also the primary recruiter of Spud.  The 2006 signing class is exceptional, mostly due to 2 of the coaches on last years staff.  Neither of those coach's are on the current staff. By the way, one of those coach's happens to be T. Rogers!

2 hours of Brother Rice and Mother McCauley don't mean that much to a kid from Indiana  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2006, 06:48:34 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 03:07:06 PM
By the way, one of those coach's happens to be T. Rogers!

Wonder whose side you're on....


I'll take the QB that's been at practice at a D3 school every day for two years over the kid that's playing four years of high school football at Lawrence Central in Indy.

The fact is, I want this team to win now.  I want them to win beat Trinity and win the SCAC championship.  I don't want to throw a freshman out there and let him learn on the fly.

Spud's got a very good arm.  But Abe has been through two years of gamedays, practice, scouting, weekly meetings, and suffering through running Scout D against the 1st team D. 

Splitting time between a freshman and a junior also seems rather far from "slipping into mediocrity" as you say, friend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 08:02:33 PM
O.K. I know what Abe has been thru and done.  But Spud must have more talents.  If so, you get him to win and before you know it, you have a starter who wins you games and has three years to beat everyone on the schedule.  I like Abe, but you have to put the best athlete on the field and coach him on the run.
Just my opinion buddy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on October 25, 2006, 08:05:36 PM
Quote
Why is Spud sharing duties?  Because the staff will not just make him the chief, ruffle some feathers and improve as a football team.  Just keep tap dancing to keep everyone warm and fuzzy.  Guess what happens,  you get trounced by a team that you beat 51-14 last season.  

While perhaps not stated as directly as you put it there...it is a sentiment I have heard from others.

Quote
You should be glad to have the Mulligan kid catching balls for DePauw.

Mulligan can be an All American....really, really good D III receiver.

I'll take the QB that's been at practice at a D3 school every day for two years over the kid that's playing four years of high school football at Lawrence Central in Indy.  The fact is, I want this team to win now.

With all due respect, I think "winning now' IS the point. The young kid, despite the rotation, has made plays. I was at the Sewanne game when they spread the field a bit---he threw for 150 yards---hit 8 or 9 in a row---in just 3 series in the first half. Then came the roation thing which was confusing to everyone I was sitting around. I certainly haven't been to every game, but my guess is his numbers on the year are quite a bit better, too. Having played the position and coached it---it's fine to give the benefit of the doubt to the older guy---but when it's decision time---you go with the guy who's going to get the job done...both short and long term.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2006, 08:17:24 PM
Quote from: HoosierQBScout on October 25, 2006, 08:05:36 PM
Having played the position and coached it---it's fine to give the benefit of the doubt to the older guy---but when it's decision time---you go with the guy who's going to get the job done...both short and long term.

No disrespect taken, friend.

I will agree that as a true passer Spud seems to be a very talented QB.  And perhaps now that it is apparent that there is no shot for DePauw to make the playoffs, it is time for the youngster to take his licks. 

I've seen Abe do some Wiethoff-esque (for lack of a better term) things with his feet a few times.  He might be the better choice for a running team who likes to run option and things of like.  I've only seen a couple of DPU games this year, and didn't see a lot of option or QB draws or things of that nature.

I was originally concerned that throwing Spud into the fire and watching him make mistakes would ultimately be bad for the team.  At this point, there's not a lot left to lose except a certain aforementioned contest on the 11th. 

I certainly do see your opinion.  Spud's going to be a very good QB for DePauw over the next few years.  He and Mulligan are going to be a very nice pitch and catch combo for the next 3+.

Perhaps I'm a bit of a conservative when it comes to strategy and the like.  Throw the veteran out there.  I'm old school, I suppose you could say.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 08:19:26 PM
Scotty,
  I bet there are a good number of players on the Tiger squad from outside the Indiana state border.  DePauw has tremendous appeal to football prosects from Chicago, St. Louis, Cincy, Indy, and Detroit Metro.  Though it is important to do right in the home state, the football program has national recruiting prowess.  There are players from Texas and Florida on the squad.  This is a much larger picture than just the state of Indiana.  Heck, Wabash's whole secondary from last year mostly came from Arizona. One corner was from Indy.  I know our secondary would not be as good without Berigan, Pruitt, and C. Clark from last year's team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on October 25, 2006, 08:44:57 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 08:19:26 PM
Scotty,
  I bet there are a good number of players on the Tiger squad from outside the Indiana state border.  DePauw has tremendous appeal to football prosects from Chicago, St. Louis, Cincy, Indy, and Detroit Metro.  Though it is important to do right in the home state, the football program has national recruiting prowess.  There are players from Texas and Florida on the squad.  This is a much larger picture than just the state of Indiana.  Heck, Wabash's whole secondary from last year mostly came from Arizona. One corner was from Indy.  I know our secondary would not be as good without Berigan, Pruitt, and C. Clark from last year's team.

agree 100% with your comments...but when you are recruiting your #1 or #2 prospect, quit talking about yourself, your new house, how much money you are making in regards to the cost of living...and SELL THE F'ING SCHOOL PAL...Rogers was not "ready" for his position imho...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on October 25, 2006, 08:58:47 PM
DPU3619---
I respect your opinon and don't have a problem with it.  But at the risk of being a geek---I looked up the stats on the DePauw site to point out it's not about throwing a young guy in there and taking licks and making mistakes. It sounds to me as though he's been making plays with limited mistakes---it is the rotation that has hurt the team and, probably, both QB's. Winkle does a nice job---don't get me wrong.... but the numbers seem to point to the youngster:

Efficiency 131.8   vs.   88
Passing Yards Per game  124.2   vs.   48.4
Completion %  60.4   vs.   53
Interceptions   2   vs.   6

We can agree to disagree...   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on October 25, 2006, 09:03:09 PM
is this team being adequately managed...that is the question...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
DePauw won the SCAC.  How could the team be SCAC co-champs if TR was not ready for the job.  After the Tigers trounced Hope in 2006, the Hope Head Ball Coach told TR "That was the best coached DePauw Football Team he ever played."  It sounds like you have an issue with one recruiting situation.  That story does not sound like his recruiting style at all.  Just my personal opinion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: scotty on October 25, 2006, 09:03:09 PM
is this team being adequately managed...that is the question...


No it is not! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 09:22:13 PM
"I'm also told that there's some pretty damning evidence against the University in this situation.  My source seemed very surprised at some of the things that were unearthed.  I hope to get a peek at all these public records in the next couple days. 

Perhaps some of the things that the 4thandalong4 had to say aren't exactly that far off base.  Doesn't make me like him anymore, though.
[/quote]"

There is so much with this deal 3619.  DPU really spit the bit with getting the program going in the right direction
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2006, 09:33:21 PM
Quote from: HoosierQBScout on October 25, 2006, 08:58:47 PM
Efficiency 131.8   vs.   88
Passing Yards Per game  124.2   vs.   48.4
Completion %  60.4   vs.   53
Interceptions   2   vs.   6

Touche.  Very well done.

To end this discussion, I'll say that I find Abe to better a runner than Spud, but Abe has not been used in that manner.  His passing numbers are worse than Spud's, and that does not surprise me in the least.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2006, 09:35:46 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 09:22:13 PM
There is so much with this deal 3619. 

That fact is one which I will not dispute.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 25, 2006, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: scotty on October 25, 2006, 09:03:09 PM
is this team being adequately managed...that is the question...


No it is not! 

Wow, convincing argument. Way to back it up with statisical analysis, visual observations, and the like... oh, wait a second...

Look, I liked Coach Rogers. He was a nice man and, it seemed, a good football coach. But I like Coach Walker, too. He's one of the nicest guys I've ever dealt with around the school and he's done some good things with this team himself. So you'll have to excuse me for not exactly being willing to turn this into an issue where you're either with Rogers or against him, because I'm certainly neither.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on October 25, 2006, 09:44:26 PM
dpu3619...fair enough.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 25, 2006, 09:52:24 PM
DePauwTigers1- They won the SCAC in 2005 not 2006.
Scotty- "Rogers was not ready for the position", you must be good friends with current HFC or a relative because that is what he was telling the Crawfordsville natives. I would be interested in what evidence exists that he was not ready. These are the facts that I am aware of: winningest coach in the modern era at Kalamazoo College, offensive coordinator at Cornell University who posted the biggest turnaround in Ivy League history while he was there and took the DePauw Tigers to an undefeated SCAC Championship in 2005. Why was he not qualified? How is the current ADEQUATE HFC more qualified?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 09:55:10 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 09:09:33 PM
DePauw won the SCAC.  How could the team be SCAC co-champs if TR was not ready for the job.  After the Tigers trounced Hope in 2006, the Hope Head Ball Coach told TR "That was the best coached DePauw Football Team he ever played."  It sounds like you have an issue with one recruiting situation.  That story does not sound like his recruiting style at all.  Just my personal opinion.

Sorry all, I meant the 2005 season, when DePauw played at Hope.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2006, 09:58:37 PM
By the way,

Beat Centre.  That seems a lot more important to me than all the bickering I've done over the past day or two.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 25, 2006, 10:00:55 PM
Hey Wes,

Alluding to our previous conversations, you know nothing of what it takes to play quarterback, let alone trombone.  Look at the stats all you want, your opinion is irrelevant.  Let the coaches decide.  I know more about coaching than you, and I gladly keep my mouth shut.  Both kids are good kids.  If I was a betting man, i'd bet on a DICK any time ( I realize I just opened myself up for some good ones).  Stick to the AM/FM dial "Disc Jockey."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on October 25, 2006, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 09:11:24 PM
[quote
Wow, convincing argument. Way to back it up with statisical analysis, visual observations, and the like... oh, wait a second...


Lefty:  2005 DPU 51  Millsaps 14
           2006 Millsaps 30+ something  DePauw 7
Is that enough Professor?  You must be a MW guy with a baseball tag of lefty?
]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 25, 2006, 10:08:40 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 10:02:40 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on October 25, 2006, 09:40:32 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 09:11:24 PM
Wow, convincing argument. Way to back it up with statisical analysis, visual observations, and the like... oh, wait a second...


Lefty:  2005 DPU 51  Millsaps 14
           2006 Millsaps 30+ something  DePauw 7
Is that enough Professor?  You must be a MW guy with a baseball tag of lefty?

Close your quote tags, professor.

Me, I'm a believer that games are won and lost by players on the field, and I think DePauw had some better players on the offensive side last season, while Millsaps has much better players on all sides of the ball this season. That's a pretty specious argument you've made there, guy.

Also, I wasn't aware only baseball players could be lefties. But it's like I said, I'm not a Rogers guy, a Walker guy, a Lynch guy or a Morouzis guy. I'm a DPU football guy. That's it, and that's all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 25, 2006, 10:10:57 PM
Hey Lefty,

Did you play at DePauw?  I know a few leftys that played both.  I know where you are coming from.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 25, 2006, 10:14:28 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 25, 2006, 10:10:57 PM
Hey Lefty,

Did you play at DePauw?  I know a few leftys that played both.  I know where you are coming from.

I'm actually still a student here, but my playing days ended in high school. I've got no ulterior motives to speak of. As a member of the student media I've dealt with three different coaches since I've been here and I've found each man to be nothing short of accomodating and classy. That's where I'm coming from.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 10:15:50 PM
I agree with you Lefty.  But who is responsible for the development of a player?How does the player learn a stance, alignment, key, technique, and execution?  In my dealings with DePauw football, the people involved with the football program think like yourself.  I on the other hand belive that coaches are incredibly vital to the players development, and productivity.  Too many people at DePauw think that telling a player "it's a game of inches" and then roll the ball out and see what happens, is coaching.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 25, 2006, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 25, 2006, 10:15:50 PM
I agree with you Lefty.  But who is responsible for the development of a player?How does the player learn a stance, alignment, key, technique, and execution?  In my dealings with DePauw football, the people involved with the football program think like yourself.  I on the other hand belive that coaches are incredibly vital to the players development, and productivity.  Too many people at DePauw think that telling a player "it's a game of inches" and then roll the ball out and see what happens, is coaching.

You make a fair point, and one I won't dispute, about the importance of actual instruction from a coaching staff. But just as I'm not willing to judge Rogers's ability to do such a thing on one season here, I'm not going to judge Walker's ability to do such a thing based on less than one season here. And I don't necessarily think it's even my place to do so, considering I'm not in the locker room or on the practice field on a daily basis.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2006, 11:14:29 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 25, 2006, 10:00:55 PM
Hey Wes,

Alluding to our previous conversations, you know nothing of what it takes to play quarterback, let alone trombone.  Look at the stats all you want, your opinion is irrelevant.  Let the coaches decide.  I know more about coaching than you, and I gladly keep my mouth shut.  Both kids are good kids.  If I was a betting man, i'd bet on a DICK any time ( I realize I just opened myself up for some good ones).  Stick to the AM/FM dial "Disc Jockey."

Look, dude.  It's just a discussion.  I'm just discussing it.  I'm not criticizing anybody, let alone you.  I'm not arguing that Spud should or shouldn't be in there on Saturday. 

I don't know what substance it is that is making you completely irrational but try real hard to understand this for me:  Football fans get together and discuss the game of football.  Sounds weird, I know.  I need you to hang in there with me right now, OK big guy?  That there are other people besides players that actually enjoy Division III football. 

Is my opinion irrelevant to Saturday's game?  Yup.  But it's got about as much weight as yours, Lefty, depauwtigers1, scotty, anybody else on this site, Coach Rogers, or the Easter Bunny's does right now. 

I am apparently missing the point that you are the greatest person and the greatest DePauw man that ever lived.  I'm a complete dunce because I didn't coach as long as the "legend" that is the son of a legend.  Just because your Daddy is who he is does not make you a great Coach or somebody that I should bow down as worship as "better than me" around these parts.  Write that down.

Coach Rogers is your boy and I'm fine with all that.  You feel some obligation to stick up for your friend.  It's kind of heart-warming, actually.

Don't get me wrong. I like the man.  He was kind to me when I helped him in spring ball and understood when I couldn't come back and be a student assistant in 2005. 

However, that's in the past.  I don't care about all that junk.  DePauw has a new football coach and your opinion of him is, as you say, "irrelevant". 

This team doesn't have a huge fan base around this board, and I'm trying to provide it.  I'm not sure why that's causing you to spout off all this silly babble about what I don't know.  I'll admit to not playing college football.  The term coach is also a very very loose one.  In fact, I was less of a coach and more of a film guy, but those are unnecessary details. 

I'd love to hear what you think about quarterbacking sometime, Tony.  You'd have so many revelations to open up my eyes to new parts of football I've never seen.  You mean forward passes are legal nowadays?  Well golly, I guess I sure do have a lot to learn.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2006, 11:17:39 PM
Also, I, in fact, do not know how to play trombone.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 26, 2006, 08:38:13 AM
I was watching part of the Tavis Smiley show last night and he was interviewing a conservative political writer.  This writer was angry at President Bush for abandoning the far right and he was urging all Republicans to vote Democrat this election or at least don't vote at all.  His logic, which I find twisted, is that the Republicans deserve to lose.

I thought about that after reading all of the recent DePauw posts.  Unless there are some of you who are intent on disrupting this year's team (which I doubt), I would suggest that you bury the hatchet and stop arguing about head coaches and starting quarterbacks.  It seems to have gotten to a point where it could only do more harm than good.

And now that I've given all the DePauw posters something that they can agree on, namely that I should keep out of their business, maybe we can talk about the games this weekend. 

The key game is obviously Rhodes at Trinity.  I don't know anything about the Trinity offense but in their last two games (both on the road) they scored 24 at Huntingdon and 17 at Centre.  As my only point of comparison, I saw Millsaps at home score 34 against Huntingdon and 38 against Centre. That may all mean nothing, but it seems to indicate that Trinity might not be quite up to their normal high standands on offense this year and that makes me think that Rhodes can win this game.

Rhodes seems to be extremely strong on defense this year.  Can the Rhodes defense hold Trinity to two TDs or less?  I think that's what it will take for Rhodes to win.  This is just my very uneducated guess, but I think the Rhodes scoring potential Saturday is 17 at the most and that's thinking that the defense might get a TD.  That puts a lot of pressure on the defense to play error free.  I think it is too much pressure and I see Trinity winning somewhere in the 21-10 range with one of the Trinity TDs coming from the defense or special teams.  Anyone else care to offer a prediction?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 26, 2006, 08:48:27 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 26, 2006, 08:38:13 AM
I was watching part of the Tavis Smiley show last night and he was interviewing a conservative political writer.  This writer was angry at President Bush for abandoning the far right and he was urging all Republicans to vote Democrat this election or at least don't vote at all.  His logic, which I find twisted, is that the Republicans deserve to lose.

Well he got his face time and now he will try to sell his own agenda. In that case, it was all about him.

Great post, Frank!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 26, 2006, 10:23:43 AM
Point Taken Wes, guess I should post while having a beer.  By thew way I don't know much about football, but I was on role with the whole "Spud" thing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on October 26, 2006, 11:47:42 AM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 25, 2006, 09:52:24 PM
DePauwTigers1- They won the SCAC in 2005 not 2006.
Scotty- "Rogers was not ready for the position", you must be good friends with current HFC or a relative because that is what he was telling the Crawfordsville natives. I would be interested in what evidence exists that he was not ready. These are the facts that I am aware of: winningest coach in the modern era at Kalamazoo College, offensive coordinator at Cornell University who posted the biggest turnaround in Ivy League history while he was there and took the DePauw Tigers to an undefeated SCAC Championship in 2005. Why was he not qualified? How is the current ADEQUATE HFC more qualified?

i never have met Coach Walker...my comment about "not ready for the position" is based on my belief that a head coach at a Depauw type institution not only requires football coaching skills but strong people skills...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 26, 2006, 02:12:04 PM
Sorry Frank,
  I am selfishly concerned about the DePauw Football Program.  I am not into Trinity, Rhodes, Millsaps etc.  I want DePauw alums and fans to realize that Rogers and the new staff he brought with him were on the right path.  Is the program on the same path now?  Does the program operate with the same effort, structure, detail, and accountability?
  I have a hard time seeing the program not attain the level of performance that it should.  I believe the old guard had a problem with the new staff, and pulled a cowardly sabotage on the new guys.
  It irritates me to see true DPU football people just "let it go" and accept the whole situation as "nothing is out of order - its O.K"

Once again - My apologies
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 26, 2006, 02:18:46 PM
Scotty,
  Did you mean "never met" Coach Rogers instead of MW?
Quality Football coaches know the position is not a popularity
contest.  The good coaches get people to do things they don't want
to, because it is for their own betterment.  People skills can often be
misinterpreted because a Coach has an agenda to get across.  DePauw
had the perfect coach, they just spit the bit because he "just wanted better"
for the program!
  Please understand I am not grinding, just stating the obvious.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 26, 2006, 02:23:12 PM
No need to apologize to me--I just thought an outsider might need to say something to defuse the back and forth.  The DePauw athletic program is obviously a top-notch program and I'm sure they'll rebound from this preceived bump in the road.  For most programs a 5-2 season is a good year, not a somewhat disappointing year as it seems to be for DePauw.  For what it's worth, I think the rest of the season will show that both of the DePauw losses came to very good teams.

I don't think this newspaper story tells anything that hasn't been hashed out on the board already, but there was a nice article on Millsaps in our local paper.  Unfortunately, coverage of the small college sports in our area is fairly dismal.  Here's the link:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061026/SPORTS030105/610260347/1085
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2006, 03:19:02 PM
Quote from: scotty on October 26, 2006, 11:47:42 AM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on October 25, 2006, 09:52:24 PM
DePauwTigers1- They won the SCAC in 2005 not 2006.
Scotty- "Rogers was not ready for the position", you must be good friends with current HFC or a relative because that is what he was telling the Crawfordsville natives. I would be interested in what evidence exists that he was not ready. These are the facts that I am aware of: winningest coach in the modern era at Kalamazoo College, offensive coordinator at Cornell University who posted the biggest turnaround in Ivy League history while he was there and took the DePauw Tigers to an undefeated SCAC Championship in 2005. Why was he not qualified? How is the current ADEQUATE HFC more qualified?

i never have met Coach Walker...my comment about "not ready for the position" is based on my belief that a head coach at a Depauw type institution not only requires football coaching skills but strong people skills...

People, PLEASE close your {quote} boxes properly so it's obvious who is being quoted and who is responding !!

Yours Most Sincerely,
Little Sisters of the Poor School of D3Football.com Board Etiquette
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 26, 2006, 04:56:15 PM
big game this weekend... Rhodes at Trinity. The defense is HUGE in this game, and both teams should be ready for a battle. I agree with frank that if Rhodes doesn't hold TU to a low scoring game, it's not gonna be pretty. The defense has been great for the Lynx thus far, and has not suffered any injuries (knock on wood). The offense has been able to put some things together, but it's not very consistent. If they hope to pull it out, the O has to put an entire game together. This game determines whether the SCAC race is a 2 or 3 team race, as Lynxcat mentioned a few days ago.

unfortunately I can't make it (some people might call that fortunate), but it proves to be the biggest matchup in the SCAC this weekend. and my prediction is going to make a lot of people upset, but it's what i'm going with.

Rhodes - 14
Trinity   - 14

I just can't pick against my own team, so I'm going with a tie, sorry.  ;D

in other games:

Millsaps - 38
Wes Satterfield - 17

Depauw - 28
Centre - 7
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 26, 2006, 05:31:06 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 26, 2006, 04:56:15 PM
Depauw - 28
Centre - 7

Wow, Hunter.  I don't think things will get that out of hand.  Although, that will be determined by which Centre team shows up.  They've been a bit of an enigma recently. 

DePauw has to hold on to that football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2006, 05:52:24 PM
Sorry, HunterT, there are no more ties in NCAA football, even if it takes 127 OTs to resolve.  Try again.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 26, 2006, 06:43:34 PM
Do they have lights? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 26, 2006, 06:52:42 PM
It will be tough for DePauw to beat Centre.  I see it going to Centre somewhere in the neighborhood of 10 points.

Last year's game was a great one.  DePauw had to hold out Centre on a 4th down from around the 4 yard line.  Awesome memories of that one.

Is #4 still at WR for Centre?  He was one of the top players in the league last season.  I wish he would have attended DePauw.  If that guy is still playing, and having a good season, makes it real tough on DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 26, 2006, 07:28:40 PM
aww Ron, come on. Pat got the joke.

maybe i should have predicted an earthquake that crumbles the stadium and cracks the field, after the playlers leave of course because of the tornado that came through San Antonio. That way the players will be safe and able to finish out the season....

with a tie.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 26, 2006, 10:05:42 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity vs. Rhodes)


Chris Allman, Frank Ezelle and Hunter T,

If, if, if, if, if?

Pat,

In all due respect, why don't we try to use those E M Stevens lights for another Trinity vs. Catholic game in the next season or two?

IMHO,

Trinity-----31
Rhodes----10

                                                              :)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 26, 2006, 11:14:39 PM
ETG,

every game is an "IF." to sound like John Madden, IF one team scores more points, then they'll win the game.

IF Trinity fumbles the ball on the first play of every drive, then they won't win. IF Rhodes decides to forfeit, they will have a hard time winning. I can go on for days...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 27, 2006, 12:36:03 AM
Quote from: etg on October 26, 2006, 10:05:42 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity vs. Rhodes)


Chris Allman, Frank Ezelle and Hunter T,

If, if, if, if, if?

Pat,

In all due respect, why don't we try to use those E M Stevens lights for another Trinity vs. Catholic game in the next season or two?

Dunno -- they should give Catholic a call. I don't even know the coach or anyone in athletics anymore, really. Graduated 12 years ago.

When I started following D-III nationally I stopped living and dying by what Catholic does.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2006, 06:42:51 AM
After etg's post I had to go back and see how bad my "iffing" was in previous posts.  I didn't see a lot of it but I didn't go back for the whole season.  My guess is that places where I would use "if" too much are places where I'm admitting that I can't predict the future and I'm trying to point out different possible scenarios.  I guess that's just the old-timer in me, preferring to give or hear an explanation or reasonable argument rather than just a boast or a half-baked prediction.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2006, 09:40:03 AM
Quote from: HunterT on October 26, 2006, 07:28:40 PM
aww Ron, come on. Pat got the joke.

maybe i should have predicted an earthquake that crumbles the stadium and cracks the field, after the playlers leave of course because of the tornado that came through San Antonio. That way the players will be safe and able to finish out the season....

with a tie.  ;D

I know you know there are no ties, was just giving you a hard time for refusing to pick one or the other to win on Saturday.  I'll say Trinity 24, Rhodes 14.   :)

And Pat, yes, there are great lights as everyone who plays night games there in the early fall (when it's 100 during the day) appreciates.   Now, the scoreboard might flake out if it rains.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2006, 10:41:48 AM
MILLSAPS/MIKE DUBOSE ALERT!!!

I know some of you think we Millsaps folks post too much but maybe it's just that other schools post too little (certainly DePauw has been getting in their fair share lately).

For those who are interested, the local paper has a column on Mike DuBose this morning.  It centers around his feelings regarding the difference in being a coach in the SCAC verses coaching in front of 100,000+ in the SEC.  The link is below, hopefully it will take you straight to the story, but you may get a popup asking for your zip code, year of birth, etc:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061027/COL0504/610270354/0/SPORTS&GID=GbNoN8G1gqqBj2gkamjKUyJSREXuJ68O4c3SLSf82JM%3D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 27, 2006, 04:22:31 PM
Frank,

That is a great article.  While facing a DuBose-coached Millsaps team will be a more of a challenge, it is great to have a coach of that quality in Division III and in the SCAC.  Ultimately, we will all be better for it.

Best of luck the rest of the season!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 27, 2006, 06:59:11 PM
Here's to a great weekend!  In particular, good luck to the Majors and Trinity in their respective games.  It would be great for the SCAC to have a true end-of-the- season championship game on Nov. 11 when Trinity travels to Millsaps.  If Millsaps  and Trinity win on Saturday, then we are guaranteed a championship game two weeks from now regardless of what might happen on Nov. 4.  And it would be the first time such an event has happened in the SCAC since the AQ came into play.

Millsaps 42
Sewanee 17

Trinity 28
Rhodes 14

DePauw 28
Centre 17

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2006, 02:16:13 PM
Rhodes-TU Live stats:  http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/05livestats/xlive.htm

TU broadcast:
http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports.m3u
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2006, 02:56:07 PM
Trinity leads 10-0 midway through the first quarter but it appears that QB Blake Barmore may have been hurt on the second series.  Jacob Cannon got sacked on a third down on that drive, then threw an INT on his next play.  Rhodes got inside the TU 30 on its second series but turned the ball over on downs. 

Both team's defenses have been stout so far; return yards have been the key so far, with TU getting a 34-yd return on the opening kickoff (Kownslar) and 49 yards on a punt return (Barnhart).  Chris Calamese's 39-yd punt return put the Lynx in position.

Another three and out for Rhodes, Trinity has the ball near midfield and Cannon is still in at QB.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2006, 03:07:09 PM
Trinity finally got the running game going a little bit, opened it up and drove 75 yards to make it 17-0 on the 2nd play of the 2nd quarter.  The key play was a conversion on 4th-and-1 inside the Lynx 10.  Cannon to Riley Curry 9 yds for the score. 

Total yds Trinity 106 Rhodes 11 at this point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2006, 04:12:30 PM
Thanks Ron!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 28, 2006, 04:38:42 PM
The score is 28-12 Majors with 6:43 to go in third quarter at Sewanee.  Sewanee scored on a half back pass and missed the 2 point conversion. 

Juan Joseph was hit in his knee, but seems to be good to go.  Millsaps has not scored since the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 28, 2006, 05:54:52 PM
Majors win what seems like a sloppy game for the Millsaps' offense by the score of 35-18

Chris Jackson 10 catches for 121 yds.

Unofficial stats

Millsaps
Rushing 19 attempts - 81 yards
Passing: Joesph 27-46 343 yards, no picks
Total yards 65 plays for 414 yards
TOP: 22:40
Penalties 8 for 49 yards

Sewanee:
Rushing 36 attempts for 156 yards
Passing: Satterfield 16-43 for 207 yards three picks (all by Marcus Harris)
Total yards 84 plays for 390 yards
TOP: 37:20
Penalties 5 for 54 yards
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 28, 2006, 10:21:14 PM
that could have went better....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2006, 12:01:57 AM
Quote from: exmajor on October 28, 2006, 05:54:52 PM
Majors win what seems like a sloppy game for the Millsaps' offense by the score of 35-18

Chris Jackson 10 catches for 121 yds.

Unofficial stats

Millsaps
Rushing 19 attempts - 81 yards
Passing: Joesph 27-46 343 yards, no picks
Total yards 65 plays for 414 yards
TOP: 22:40
Penalties 8 for 49 yards


Going to be an interesting game in a couple of weeks.  Trinity defends the pass quite well (e.g. 28 yards by Rhodes today); even before today the Black Flag has only been allowing just over 100 yards through the air per game.  Should be fun seeing who will win the battle. 

In any case, it's great to have the last week of the season mean something in the SCAC.  Regardless of next week's outcome, the Millsaps-Trinity winner will get the conference's playoff spot. 

Going to be harder for Trinity as QB Blake Barmore broke his leg in the first quarter today and is out for the season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 29, 2006, 01:08:29 AM
Well the Rhodes game was a dissapointment to any Lynx fan. We could have played much better than it seems we did. The injury to Mark Oliver hurt us, but it still didn't seem like we could get much going. And the defense can't do everything.

I was almost right on with my Millsaps prediction though. And it will be a great game in a couple weeks. Good luck to both teams to stay injury free and make it a classic final game for the SCAC battle.

Millsaps does have to get past Rhodes first, in Memphis. But like everybody has said, even if the Majors lose, they can still turn around and beat Trinity and take the playoff birth, so it'll be fun to watch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 29, 2006, 09:25:23 AM
I listened to yesterday's radio broadcast of the Millsaps-Sewanee game.  Apparently it was a beautiful day and an ugly game.  The game as it was called in no way reflects the impression given by the stats.  Millsaps scored 28 points in the first quarter and then the offense basically went dormant for the rest of the game.  The defense looks like they had a poor game based on the yardage given up, but they had to come up big time after time while the offense struggled.

Millsaps fumbled 4 times and lost all 4 and they had to punt 7 times after not punting at all against DePauw.  Millsaps racked up 414 yards of total offense but only 15 first downs.  It was big plays or not much and that resulted in Sewanee leading the time of possession stat 37:20 to 22:40.  The Millsaps scoring drives were 2 plays for 26 yards, 4 plays for 23 yards, 4 plays for 66 yards, 3 plays for 80 yards, and a 50-yard run after recovering a Sewanee fumble.  By contrast, the scoring drives against DePauw were 10 plays for 44 yards, 19 for 84, 9 for 64, 13 for 65 yards, and a 49 yard interception return.

I suspect that ending the 1st quarter with a 28-0 lead was a contributing factor to the offense losing focus.  It's amazing how hard it can be to regroup once you let down a little and let the other team start playing with confidence.  This game went from being a laugher early on to being in question up until Millsaps finally scored again in the 4th quarter.  You have to give Sewanee a lot of credit for keeping their focus and battling back.

Bottom line, it was a very important win and it was a win on the road.  It sounds like Millsaps came out of the game healthy which unfortunately was not the case for the Rhodes-Trinity game.  I don't think it was the best Millsaps has to offer and I think the coaches will find a lot of teaching points when the team goes over the game film.  I'm sure everyone will want to play a more consistent game next week when they head to Memphis.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2006, 09:41:18 AM
Just wanted to note that Colorado College participated in its first SCAC championship yesterday.  The CC women came in second in cross country; the men, third (and a 1-2-3 finish).  Welcome to the SCAC, CC Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2006, 10:24:19 AM
Ron, I read in the Express News that Barmore broke his fibula?  How do you think this will impact Trinity?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 29, 2006, 03:07:37 PM
Centre 28, DePauw 24

Nice win for Centre, but what in the world is happening to the Tigers???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2006, 03:10:42 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 29, 2006, 03:07:37 PM
Centre 28, DePauw 24

Nice win for Centre, but what in the world is happening to the Tigers???

You have to wonder if the news re Rogers discussed on the board last week caused the players some difficulty (the news itself, not the fact that it was discussed *here*).   It certainly had the potential to distract.  And Centre did play Trinity pretty darned well last week.  I swear, if the Colonels could be more consistent they could be threat for the conference championship ... but year in, year out they have some really great W's and some really bad L's. 

Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2006, 10:24:19 AM
Ron, I read in the Express News that Barmore broke his fibula?  How do you think this will impact Trinity?

Nobody likes to lose their #1 QB, Bill.  The good news for Trinity is that Jacob Cannon was the starter the last year and is a senior.  That said, there's a reason Coach Mohr named Blake the starter.  Cannon knows the offense as he's a senior and started last year, but Barmore's been getting the majority of reps with the first team. 

It's ironic that Coach Mohr was quoted in the E-N on Friday as saying both QBs would see action after the sub-par second half performance against Centre last week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 29, 2006, 03:46:55 PM
Ron,
  I would guess the DePauw players have known about coach Rogers situation for quite some time.  What's happening with the football program is a direct reflection from the decisions made by the President of Student Affairs and the A.D. as they pertain to the football program. It is also the result of M.W.'s ability as the head Football Coach, along with the assistant head football coach.  Wabash is loving life and laughing all the way to the playoffs.  It does'nt have to be this way either.  DePauw has much more to offer than Wabash.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 29, 2006, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 29, 2006, 03:46:55 PM
DePauw has much more to offer than Wabash.

Ah, here we go.

If by much more, you mean females and Marvin's, then sure, I'll agree.  If you mean exceptional leadership, then I'll agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 29, 2006, 06:43:54 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 29, 2006, 06:37:34 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 29, 2006, 03:46:55 PM
DePauw has much more to offer than Wabash.

Ah, here we go.

If by much more, you mean females and Marvin's, then sure, I'll agree.  If you mean exceptional leadership, then I'll agree to disagree.

Man, I was all set to make the girls/Marvin's joke, but you beat me to it. Damn.

As to your earlier question as to what's wrong with the Tigers? Well, they had a good game on the offensive side, but they couldn't make a tackle all game long. That Center running back was breaking multiple tackles on just about every run. It was pretty discouraging to watch, actually - if they could have made a tackle here and there, they'd have won the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 29, 2006, 07:07:34 PM
CPA,
  You are exactly right.  The girls of DePauw alone are enough to attract the normal student athlete. Marvins is just icing on the cake.  Wabash does a much
better job with the management of the football program from the top, compared to DePauw.  That is why they are enjoying more success at present.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on October 29, 2006, 08:39:27 PM
DPU Lefty is accurate in his take on the DePauw-Centre game...offense scored 24 points---should be enough to win---and did a nice job coming from behind in the second half... and Ron's comment regarding Centre is also right on...they used their offensive weapons well...and at the end of the day made the plays needed to win....once Coach Frye and his group find consistency, they will be realy players in the SCAC.
     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 29, 2006, 09:43:01 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 29, 2006, 03:46:55 PMWabash is loving life and laughing all the way to the playoffs.

First, Wabash needs help to get into the playoffs.

Second, underdogs have won the Bell many times before. Don't think for a second your recent struggles are gonna have anyone at Wabash thinking it will be a cakewalk.

A Bell victory for Depauw can make a lot of the crap that's gone on this season seem worth it. Don't think Wabash doesn't know that.

I look forward to yet another great Bell game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 29, 2006, 11:29:16 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 29, 2006, 03:46:55 PM
Wabash is loving life and laughing all the way to the playoffs..

Am I the only person that remembers 2005?  When Wabash laughed "all the way to the playoffs"?  DePauw was 60 minutes from its first playoff berth, and didn't do the deed. 

Just sayin.  I bet that wasn't the head coach's fault, though.  Right, fellas?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 07:16:05 AM
3619,
  You remember last years game, 1st down and about 5 at our 5.  The QB mis-handled the center snap, started batting the ball around, C. Clark picks it up and is off to the races.  Ref called it dead ball.  That would have made the score 17-3, with Wabash going into the wind for 4th quarter.  Game would have been over.  Stripes robbed the Tigers.  Harbaugh could not throw consistently against our secondary last year.  They were only 3rd in the country in pass offense heading into the game.  But thats the game.  Giving up 17 points to the 3rd best passing offense in the country and a 3rd round playoff team is a different story than giving up 30+ in last 2 games.

In fact the 2 defeats were by 5 and 3.  The 5 point defeat came against a team that made it to the semi-finals of the national playoffs.  Eight points for the season against deep playoff teams, thats living!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on October 30, 2006, 10:12:54 AM
Quote
The QB mis-handled the center snap, started batting the ball around, C. Clark picks it up and is off to the races.  Ref called it dead ball.  That would have made the score 17-3, with Wabash going into the wind for 4th quarter.  Game would have been over.


That indeed was a HORRIBLE call...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2006, 11:09:21 AM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 07:16:05 AM
3619,
  You remember last years game, 1st down and about 5 at our 5.  The QB mis-handled the center snap, started batting the ball around, C. Clark picks it up and is off to the races.  Ref called it dead ball.  That would have made the score 17-3, with Wabash going into the wind for 4th quarter.  Game would have been over.  Stripes robbed the Tigers. 

I remember K-mack on the broadcast last year saying that the call was a good one from where he sat.  $0.02 from someone without a dog in the hunt ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 30, 2006, 11:11:02 AM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 07:16:05 AMThe QB mis-handled the center snap, started batting the ball around, C. Clark picks it up and is off to the races.  Ref called it dead ball.

I was watching that game at my house and I replayed it on my Tivo about 5 times and then said to my guests "we just got a gift".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 11:59:41 AM
Li'l Giant,
  I appreciate your honesty and truthful statement about that play!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 30, 2006, 01:13:21 PM
Let me start by saying that this isn't intended to insult anyone so don't take it that way:

In hindsight, I don't know if the DePauw loss to Centre should have been much of a surprise to anyone.  It seems like this has been a mentally and physically difficult year for DePauw:
1)  The Centre game was their 8th game in 8 weeks and their 5th road game in 6 weeks.
2)  The Trinity game had to have taken a toll.  It was a long trip, the game got carried over to Sunday, and DePauw lost.  Right away in your first SCAC game of the season you lose control of your own destiny and past history would have justified a person thinking that no other SCAC team was going to beat Trinity.
3)  Two new head coaches in two seasons has to take a toll in a variety of ways.  New systems, new personalities, the coaches learning about the players and vice versa, etc., it usually adds obstacles to having a successful season.
4)  Just as the Trinity game tooks it toll, the loss to Millsaps must have been a huge blow.  It took away any hopes of an at-large berth, a SCAC co-championship, and it was such a huge turnaround from the results from the previous season.

Given all of the above and the fact that Centre is a good team that was playing at home, it certainly isn't surprising that DePauw lost the game.  I give them credit for fighting back and taking the lead on the road and I'm sure they'll use this down season in the SCAC as motivation during the off-season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 30, 2006, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on October 30, 2006, 11:11:02 AM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 07:16:05 AMThe QB mis-handled the center snap, started batting the ball around, C. Clark picks it up and is off to the races.  Ref called it dead ball.

I was watching that game at my house and I replayed it on my Tivo about 5 times and then said to my guests "we just got a gift".

Lil' Giant, I'd give you a Karma point if I could.  In close games like that it seems there are always 2-4 plays that change the game and that was certainly one of them.  We still had our opportunities, but couldn't pull it out.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on October 30, 2006, 01:55:17 PM
In regards to what is happening in Greencastle, I have seen it happen a couple of other times.  It seems to me that when we lose to Trinity we put it in cruise control untill the Bell Game. 

I know this happened in 2003 where I think we lost 4 or 5 in a row.  I was in coaches meetings and the locker rooms before those games and you can just kind of feel the difference.  We get built up for such a big game in the middle of the season and we are let down. 

It is tough to get fired up for Centre, Millsaps...etc.  Nothing against those programs, but we know that we are playing for the playoffs the forth or fifth week of the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on October 30, 2006, 02:00:17 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 30, 2006, 01:13:21 PM
Let me start by saying that this isn't intended to insult anyone so don't take it that way:

In hindsight, I don't know if the DePauw loss to Centre should have been much of a surprise to anyone.  It seems like this has been a mentally and physically difficult year for DePauw:
1)  The Centre game was their 8th game in 8 weeks and their 5th road game in 6 weeks.
2)  The Trinity game had to have taken a toll.  It was a long trip, the game got carried over to Sunday, and DePauw lost.  Right away in your first SCAC game of the season you lose control of your own destiny and past history would have justified a person thinking that no other SCAC team was going to beat Trinity.
3)  Two new head coaches in two seasons has to take a toll in a variety of ways.  New systems, new personalities, the coaches learning about the players and vice versa, etc., it usually adds obstacles to having a successful season.
4)  Just as the Trinity game tooks it toll, the loss to Millsaps must have been a huge blow.  It took away any hopes of an at-large berth, a SCAC co-championship, and it was such a huge turnaround from the results from the previous season.

Given all of the above and the fact that Centre is a good team that was playing at home, it certainly isn't surprising that DePauw lost the game.  I give them credit for fighting back and taking the lead on the road and I'm sure they'll use this down season in the SCAC as motivation during the off-season.

Frank, All truthful and accurate statements though it is actually the fourth head coach in four years.

Nevertheless, the players have a choice to make.  They realize they have plenty of excuses at their disposal for why this year has not been as good as the last couple of years.  So they can choose to play to the level of their own expectations or to the expectations of the fans and observers. 

I hope they have the mental toughness to play to the level of their own expectations and that their expectations are higher than where they are right now.

A lot can be overlooked during the regular season if they win in Crawfordsville.  That game will ultimately determine whether or not this season was a success.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 30, 2006, 02:43:14 PM
Quote from: Werner99 on October 30, 2006, 01:48:07 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on October 30, 2006, 11:11:02 AM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 07:16:05 AMThe QB mis-handled the center snap, started batting the ball around, C. Clark picks it up and is off to the races.  Ref called it dead ball.

I was watching that game at my house and I replayed it on my Tivo about 5 times and then said to my guests "we just got a gift".

Lil' Giant, I'd give you a Karma point if I could.  In close games like that it seems there are always 2-4 plays that change the game and that was certainly one of them.  We still had our opportunities, but couldn't pull it out.   

Those game changing plays are also magnified by the importance of the game. Unfortunately, bad calls happen. And, yes, they sometimes happen against Wabash, too.

Last year was a great game and I think this year will be no different.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 30, 2006, 03:57:15 PM
Quote from: DPU92 on October 30, 2006, 01:55:17 PM
I know this happened in 2003 where I think we lost 4 or 5 in a row.  I was in coaches meetings and the locker rooms before those games and you can just kind of feel the difference.  We get built up for such a big game in the middle of the season and we are let down. 

Don't you just get numb to losing to Trinity after a while...say 8 years in a row?  I would think the downer effect of getting knocked out of playoff contention in September would be lessened as time goes on.    ;D

Joking aside, Wabash won't be taking anything for granted on 11/11.  It's going to be a big time battle between two good teams. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 30, 2006, 04:33:16 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 07:16:05 AM
Stripes robbed the Tigers. 

I was pretty sure you'd say that.  I was 50/50 on whether it was going to be that or it was a hurricane's fault.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 30, 2006, 05:02:37 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 07:16:05 AM
3619,
  You remember last years game, 1st down and about 5 at our 5.  The QB mis-handled the center snap, started batting the ball around, C. Clark picks it up and is off to the races.  Ref called it dead ball.  That would have made the score 17-3, with Wabash going into the wind for 4th quarter.  Game would have been over.  Stripes robbed the Tigers. 

The play in question was close...could have gone either way.  I'll watch this again tonight to confirm.  I remember thinking we got away with one as I watched it live at Blackstock, then thinking that it could have gone either way after seeing it on dvd. 

Either way, the refs didn't rob the Tigers of anything.  0-14 on third down killed the Tigers.  A 9-minute Wabash advantage in TOP killed the Tigers.  CC burning timeouts in the first quarter to make DPU kick (and miss) a FG into the wind killed the Tigers.  DPU had plenty of chances. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 05:08:07 PM
OK Radio Guy,
  Lets move the ball a bit more, not give up the option on the G.L. which should have never been down there because of the bad call on the fumble.  Use better sense on the shanked punt, and not miss 2 tackles on the bubble screen, and tackle the QB in pressure situations.  Is that a big enough hurricane for you?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 30, 2006, 05:28:14 PM
The point I'm trying to make is that it's unfair to sing the high praises of Rogers and then send Walk to the dogs.  Rogers lost when he had to win and didn't make the playoffs.  I don't care who he lost to. and by how much,  Walk has lost when he had to win and his team and didn't make the playoffs.  It's the identical situation.  Why is one the best Coach ever and the other one can't coach his way out of a cardboard box?

Also, wally, that might be the first time I have ever agreed with anything you've said.  Convert one third down in a rivalry game.  Just one would be nice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 30, 2006, 05:38:24 PM
Last year's game was a classic...probably the best game I've seen in my decade of watching (the Monon Miracle in '01 was the best moment, but that game was really fairly sloppy).  It was by far the two best teams playing in the rivalry that I've seen (you had to go back to the early 80s to find Bell games that featured two powerhouse teams at the same time) and the game played out as such.  It's silly to me remember last year's game because of an iffy call by a ref...there was too much else about the game that was good to do that. 

My prediction for this year's game:  Depauw will convert at least one third down.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 06:10:17 PM
3619

  Not identical whatsoever!  Big difference in performance compared to last year.  Go look at the National statistics from last year and compare them to this years squad.  Start with Defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 30, 2006, 07:04:15 PM
So Wally,,, a little research shows that you're inline for an AQ.... most probably to meet MtU on your way to ??????  Spanking around a 'reeling' DPU in the MB game would make you feel,,,, what????  You post more on the SCAC board than you do on the NCAC board....  A 'W' over happless 2-6 Denison win 'earn' you an AQ?????  I hope the NCAA DIII 'gods' send you to SAT for your 1st round 'spanking'......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 30, 2006, 07:43:44 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on October 30, 2006, 06:10:17 PM
Not identical whatsoever!  Big difference in performance compared to last year.  Go look at the National statistics from last year and compare them to this years squad.  Start with defense.

First, Coach Nystrom had 8 returning starters including the best D-line I've ever seen.  Coach Long has 5 including exactly 3 in the front seven.

Secondly, I'll measure a program's success in playoff births and Monon Bells.  I do enjoy the analysis of stats, but having a great defense is a bit of novelty when you're done playing for the year about 4:30 on Monon Saturday. 

Quote from: historymajor on October 30, 2006, 07:04:15 PM
Spanking around a 'reeling' DPU in the MB game would make you feel,,,, what???? 

Your cheap shot is appreciated.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 30, 2006, 07:58:59 PM
Quote from: historymajor on October 30, 2006, 07:04:15 PM
So Wally,,, a little research shows that you're inline for an AQ.

As stated above, that's only going to happen with help from Allegheny. Some research.

Quote from: historymajor on October 30, 2006, 07:04:15 PMYou post more on the SCAC board than you do on the NCAC board.

The first quote was bad enough, but I stopped reading after this little gem.

I would ordinarily think that anybody who rips on Depauw guys isn't half bad. Talk about misplaced aggression.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 30, 2006, 08:27:50 PM
Quote from: historymajor on October 30, 2006, 07:04:15 PM
Spanking around a 'reeling' DPU in the MB game would make you feel,,,, what???? 

I felt like my previous effort didn't do this quote justice.  Please, if you'll allow me to try again:

Thinking TU always gets cheated and that there's some East Coast conspiracy would make you feel,,,, what? ???


I like that one better.  Thanks for the mulligan.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dputigs3 on October 31, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
3619-

You can't compare Rogers to Walker, period.  Walker lucked into the head baseball job and for whatever reason became the head football coach - he's never even recruited for football and he now is the HC of what SHOULD be one of the premiere d3 football teams in the country.  Lynch went 8-2, in one year.  Rogers went 7-2 and a co-conference championship, in one year.  Walker is 5-3 and 2-3 in the conference (2-2 if you don't count TU b/c '05 didn't play them).  But it's an "identical situation".  Go fig.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2006, 09:07:27 AM
Quote from: dputigs3 on October 31, 2006, 07:58:00 AM
3619-

You can't compare Rogers to Walker, period.  Walker lucked into the head baseball job and for whatever reason became the head football coach - he's never even recruited for football and he now is the HC of what SHOULD be one of the premiere d3 football teams in the country.  Lynch went 8-2, in one year.  Rogers went 7-2 and a co-conference championship, in one year.  Walker is 5-3 and 2-3 in the conference (2-2 if you don't count TU b/c '05 didn't play them).  But it's an "identical situation".  Go fig.

Jeremy,

When you consider that DPU has never made the playoffs, equating them to the "premiere d3 football teams in the country" seems a bit of a stretch.   Rogers had a good year, but also inherited quite a bit of talent from Lynch/Mouzouris (sp) and still couldn't get past Wabash when doing so would have put the team into the post-season.   

Drawing sweeping conclusions based on a single season of results is dangerous.  Then again, you were one of Coach Rogers' assistants last year, so naturally you are going to support your guy. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 31, 2006, 09:37:46 AM
As some people like to say here in the South, I don't have a dog in this hunt with regards to the DePauw situation and their coaches, etc., and it doesn't bother me to wade through the posts.  Still, I'm just amazed that people seem so keen to air their dirty laundry out in the public like this.

Maybe this is something that needs to be discussed by some people somewhere, but do you think it is helping DePauw and the current players and the potential recruits to discuss it on this board?  It's not like this message board is as widespread as USA Today or ESPN Sports Center, but it does get read by many.  That's just my way of thinking but you guys continue to bash if that makes you feel good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dputigs3 on October 31, 2006, 11:10:54 AM
Ah, but one year is where the basis of ALL this dicussion, from (Lynch, Rogers, Walker)- so there's a lot of consistency there.  And the post said SHOULD be one of the premier teams: They have the resources, academic prestige, and central location.  And it's obvious they've had some talent - 2006 included.  So there is no doubt that they SHOULD be a premiere team, Ron.

And you can call it bias or "airing dirty laundry" but the records of the of the previous 3 head coaches and their first year are facts.  Matt Walker has recruited for baseball, but not football - fact.  He is a 27 year old HC - fact.  His Asst. HC is 26 and is a walk around coordinator - fact.  There were no sweeping "conclusions" made.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dputigs3 on October 31, 2006, 11:58:26 AM
To clarify why I got into this discussion:

It is not to bash anyone in particular (although it may appear that way, sometimes...).

Two reasons really -

1. Tim Rogers Should NOT have been fired

2. To raise suspicion to DPU alums/supporters as to how DePauw does business.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 31, 2006, 01:14:00 PM
Quote from: dputigs3 on October 31, 2006, 11:58:26 AM
To clarify why I got into this discussion:

It is not to bash anyone in particular (although it may appear that way, sometimes...).

Two reasons really -

1. Tim Rogers Should NOT have been fired

2. To raise suspicion to DPU alums/supporters as to how DePauw does business.

It may appear that way SOMETIMES? While I don't dispute that your two underlying themes of discussion have been there all along, the preponderance of Walker-bashing is, quite frankly, unbecoming, and in fact undermines the points you are trying to make.

This is Coach Walker's first year as a head football coach. We don't know what kind of coach he's going to be in the long run. He's trying to win with the talent he's got at his disposal, which I think we can all agree is diminished from the 2005 team. In the long run, we'll see how he and his staff does in terms of recruting players (and the future will also bear out Rogers's own recruiting efforts, though so far Spud Dick and Bryan Mulligan are looking like home runs, so to speak).

My point is that it's entirely unfair to judge Matt Walker based on the 2006 season alone, and that an assessment of the Tim Rogers situation and a defense of Time Rogers can be made without dragging Walker's reputation through the mud. But that seems to be the M.O. for the folks around here that have come to discuss this situation, including at least one former assistant coach.

Walker and Rogers are both stand-up guys, and if I were any kind of a football player I'd be proud to suit up for either man.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 31, 2006, 01:21:49 PM
Quote from: dputigs3 on October 31, 2006, 11:58:26 AM
2. To raise suspicion to DPU alums/supporters as to how DePauw does business.

What really puzzles me is that I'm just about the only alum around here and all three of you have made your point to me.  There are a few others who occasionally drop by.  But it's mostlly me.  If Rogers wins the suit, I'm going to be an angry alum.  I've already said that.  It's bad practice to fire somebody because you hate white people, in general. 

But forgive me for waiting for a legal decision before I pass judgement.  A couple of former DePauw assistants probably know more than I do, but I'm going to wait.  As much as I like both of you guys, (and I do, don't get me wrong.  I know this discussion is heated, but I do like you guys, seriously) you're not Levar Burton and I'm not going to take your word for it.  That's right.  I dropped in a Reading Rainbow reference.  Believe it.

Until then, Walk's my guy.  As unhappy as that makes you guys, I'm pretty cool with it.

Also, what Ron said.  No reason for repeating it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on October 31, 2006, 08:08:09 PM
DePauw People (from another alum to help you out former DPURadio),

How about we back the man who was named the Head Coach and look to the future of the program.  Walker got the job pretty darn close to the start of the season and hasn't had a chance to do any of his own recruiting.  I'll tell you right now (from personal experience being recruited by him for baseball and football), that he is a great recruiter for baseball and will do a heck of a job in football also.  By the way, I think someone needs to check their sources on about Walker not EVER recruiting for football.  While he doesn't go out on the recruiting trips because he is busy with baseball, he has still done some football recruiting.  Basically what I'm saying is that we need to give Walker a chance and let him recruit some players of his own.  I guarantee he will get great talent to DPU just like he has done with baseball. 

So please, give the guy a chance.  Heck, we gave Trinity ALL they wanted in San Antonio after losing a lot of players from a good team.  Plus, I know he will have them ready for the Bell game (not that it means anything, but look at what he's done to wabash in baseball since he's been named that head coach).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on October 31, 2006, 08:18:42 PM
never had the chance to meet Coach Walker on our visit thanks to Coach Kaz...just saw his eyes...that was enough...Depauw has the right guy...the man is a leader regardless of baseball or football...darn... :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 31, 2006, 09:08:39 PM
Let's talk about one of this week's games.  I know that comparing scores is always tricky but just for argument sake:

DePauw              Opponent             Austin College
15-26 (-11)          Trinity                    7-34 (-24)
27-6 (+21)            Rhodes                 7-21 (-14)
31-24 (+7)          Sewanne               44-20 (+24)
7-31 (-24)           Millsaps                  11-26 (-15)

-7                        Totals                    -29

Any chance for AC to pull off an upset?  ;)   AC is playing better each week.  DePauw maybe looking ahead ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 31, 2006, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: benbraddock on October 31, 2006, 08:08:09 PMlook at what he's done to wabash in baseball since he's been named that head coach

No, kidding. You guys have owned us on the diamond for a long, long time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 31, 2006, 11:15:32 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 31, 2006, 09:08:39 PM
DePauw maybe looking ahead ???

I recall a very similar occurance in 2003.  Tigers had just lost at home to Centre and then might have overlooked a certain Engineering school whose mascot happens to be a large, menacing pachyderm.  22-12 was the final.  There was a lovely team photo taken by the Fightin' Elephants under the scoreboard at Phil Brown Field right after the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 01, 2006, 12:57:18 AM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on October 31, 2006, 09:21:53 PM
Quote from: benbraddock on October 31, 2006, 08:08:09 PMlook at what he's done to wabash in baseball since he's been named that head coach

No, kidding. You guys have owned us on the diamond for a long, long time.

Interesting to note that even with as badly as Depauw has owned Wabash in baseball lately, that series (which dates back to roughly the beginning of time) is only separated by 4 games. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 01, 2006, 09:02:14 AM
Quote from: roocru on October 31, 2006, 09:08:39 PM
Let's talk about one of this week's games.  I know that comparing scores is always tricky but just for argument sake:

DePauw              Opponent             Austin College
15-26 (-11)          Trinity                    7-34 (-24)
27-6 (+21)            Rhodes                 7-21 (-14)
31-24 (+7)          Sewanne               44-20 (+24)
7-31 (-24)           Millsaps                  11-26 (-15)

-7                        Totals                    -29

Any chance for AC to pull off an upset?  ;)   AC is playing better each week.  DePauw maybe looking ahead ???


There's always a chance but it seems fairly unlikely.  DePauw probably has the better talent, DePauw is playing at home, and I suspect that the DePauw coaches will challenge the players to show that they are a far better team than what the results have shown in the last few weeks. 

The attitude of the DePauw players is probably one of two things--they are ready to quit on the season or they are anxious to find a team they can pound.  I suspect they'll play this Saturday with the intensity they usually have in the Trinity games and in the Bell games and that could make for a long afternoon for Austin College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: msg_lynx on November 01, 2006, 09:18:34 AM
What about the Rhodes/Millsaps matchup this weekend.  I'm hearing that both teams are a little banged-up after last week's games.  If Oliver is healthy Rhodes has a GREAT chance to beat the Majors, but without him they are sure to struggle.  On the other hand Juan Joseph may not be able to go this week for Millsaps, and they are sure to hold him if his health is questionable for the Trinity game.  Any thoughts?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on November 01, 2006, 09:48:26 AM
DPU Guys,
  The Defense of 2006 is equally gifted if not better than the 2005 personnel.  The whole secondary (except Pruitt who is a great talent at D3 level) was all conference last season (1st,2nd,HM).  Hertel / Davilla both returned.  The interior players (Grant and Mike) have better movement skills than last years inside players.  They are also stronger and match up with with Ht. and Wt.  The linebackers are the same guys minus Key - so the LB's are a push.
  Way I see it, this defense should out-perform last seasons defense because of experience and physical development. 

  So, why are they not living up to the standard?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on November 01, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
To my fello posters,
  If my passionate posts offend any, sorry.  I just believe it is important
to understand the actions of a few sorry individuals, that led to putting
a damn good football coaches family out on the street, and unemployed.
And why? Because he wanted to push the program to make it more productive
and hire the type of coaches he could trust, and make the team better.
Two of the individuals are pegged, but I believe there are two more.  Time will
disclose the others, but I have a hunch who they are.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 01, 2006, 10:38:41 AM
Quote from: msg_lynx on November 01, 2006, 09:18:34 AM
What about the Rhodes/Millsaps matchup this weekend.  I'm hearing that both teams are a little banged-up after last week's games.  If Oliver is healthy Rhodes has a GREAT chance to beat the Majors, but without him they are sure to struggle.  On the other hand Juan Joseph may not be able to go this week for Millsaps, and they are sure to hold him if his health is questionable for the Trinity game.  Any thoughts?



I know the Millsaps players want a shot at an outright SCAC crown and if they lose this weekend the best they can do is a co-championship with Trinty.  Therefore,  I think they will be ready to play.

If Juan Joseph is anything less than 100% I hope the coaches hold him out.  Juan missed the Huntingdon game along with the top Millsaps receiver (Chris Jackson) and Burt Pereira stepped in and completed 19 of 26 passes for 287 yards (plus he ran for 29 yards).  I don't think the coaches will have any hesitation in using Burt this week if Juan needs a week of rest.  By the way, this week's game was originally listed on the Millsaps schedule as a 1:30 start time but that has been moved up to 1:00.

In other Millsaps news, Marcus Harris has made the D3football defensive team of the week and the SCAC defensive POW for the 2nd straight week (it was a tri-POW award in the SCAC this week).  He topped his 2 interception game against DePauw with 3 interceptions against Sewanee.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on November 01, 2006, 10:46:10 AM
Is there a DPU/wabash post anywhere?  It is about time to get it started!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2006, 11:12:20 AM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on November 01, 2006, 09:48:26 AM
So, why are they not living up to the standard?

My thoughts here aren't intended to be argumentative, and I'm not trying to out-coach you.

The defense, actually, isn't that bad.  Third in the conference in scoring behind TU and Rhodes.  Third in rush defense at 128.9.  Third in pass defense at 163.5.  The rush number is nearly identical to 2005, and the pass number is about 20 yards more per game.  The problem is: teams are also scoring 4.9 more points/game than 2005.  Here's why:

DPU is allowing almost a full two yards more per completion.  The turnover numbers are probably going to be better this year than they were last year.  With two games left, it looks like the sack number will be higher this year than last year. 

McNelis is nasty.  He has more sacks at one tackle position than everybody who played that postion put together last year.  Grant Wright is a good player and Andy Brandstatter has been playing fantastic football.  So why not so good?

Curran Clark isn't there anymore.  Scherer/Sprengnether haven't really done the job that Clarky did. 

The defense isn't playing all that bad, folks.  I'll tell you this, Key was pretty darned good in pass coverage from my vantage point.  Curran Clark also played a great safety position.  Not having those fellas sure hurts.

My thougts are that the reason the team has lost thrice isn't the D's fault.  It's because they're scoring consdierably less, almost 8 pts/game.  The O is doing less with the same amount of opportunities.

Last year's team finished  +9 in turnover margin.  This year's team is currently +4 and it ain't the D's fault. 

If this DePauw offense scores its season average from last year in every game, they win every game except Millsaps, in which, if they score 30, they don't turn it over five times.

I know that's not a great way to look it, but score the football. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dputigs3 on November 01, 2006, 11:32:04 AM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on November 01, 2006, 09:59:00 AM
To my fello posters,
  If my passionate posts offend any, sorry.  I just believe it is important
to understand the actions of a few sorry individuals, that led to putting
a damn good football coaches family out on the street, and unemployed.
And why? Because he wanted to push the program to make it more productive
and hire the type of coaches he could trust, and make the team better.
Two of the individuals are pegged, but I believe there are two more.  Time will
disclose the others, but I have a hunch who they are.

That's why this shouldn't go away.  Footballscoop.com kept sensoring the posts.  Life/college football isn't always a warm and fuzzy picture of wins and losses; there's a lot more to it than that.  This public forum talks a lot about football, that's great for D3 football - that's its original intent.  But this public forum is also being used to inform people about injustices.  I applaud Pat and d3football.com for allowing that to continue.  We're talking about people's livelihood and way of life, that's real - it's going to get heated.  I have my thoughts on who was/is involved, as do others.  The reality of this lawsuit will be known in the upcoming months and then we'll all see.

In case you didn't see it: http://www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2006/10/27/News/Former.Coach.Sues.University-2407077.shtml?norewrite200611011019&sourcedomain=www.thedepauw.com

Until then, g'luck to Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2006, 11:37:46 AM
One thing that needs to be factored in, 3619, if you're comparing last year to this is that there are fewer plays per game in '06 than in '05 thanks to the clock rule.  So ... allowing more yds/game is not good.  At the same time, since games are shorter teams may be passing more due to the fact that there's not as much time available to put points on the board.  I think the first factor is larger than the second but it's a consideration.   Less time also = fewer turnovers [?] but that would go both ways.

Re Rhodes v. Millsaps ... unless Rhodes finds an offense between last week and this they won't be able to stay with the Majors.  The Millsaps passing game is IMO more explosive than the Trinity attack and both TU QBs were able to find receivers in the 2.5 quarters when the game was still in question.   Millsaps is going to give up some yards but DuBose is going to have that team fired up.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2006, 04:54:50 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on November 01, 2006, 11:12:20 AM
DPU is allowing almost a full two yards more per completion. 

Actually, that number isn't right.  They're almost identical.  Forgive me.  My math education came in a Putnam County High School.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2006, 03:38:04 PM
C'mon folks,


Let's have

some posts

here so that

the one causing

the screen wrap

to be ugly

will be on

the previous page.

;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 02, 2006, 03:41:23 PM
Here you go, Ron  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 02, 2006, 03:42:23 PM
Go Roos !!  Beat DePauw !!!!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 02, 2006, 03:46:01 PM
Is this board the same way every year when the Monon Bell game gets close ?  Everyone else lets the DePauw and Wabash posters take over for a while?  ;)  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 02, 2006, 03:46:51 PM
I did my share to scroll the board !!!   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2006, 03:52:58 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 02, 2006, 03:46:01 PM
Is this board the same way every year when the Monon Bell game gets close ?  Everyone else lets the DePauw and Wabash posters take over for a while?  ;)  ;D ;D

There usually is a lot of banter between the DPU and Wabash folks, that's for sure.

It's actually pretty calm this week, wait until next week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 02, 2006, 04:04:48 PM
Next week they'll have to share with the Trinity/Millsaps folks, Ron!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2006, 04:42:01 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on November 02, 2006, 04:04:48 PM
Next week they'll have to share with the Trinity/Millsaps folks, Ron!   :)

All three of us.

;)


W00t!  New page at last!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 02, 2006, 04:46:50 PM
Ok, all 3 of you come back to the ASC page.  We'll talk to you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 03, 2006, 11:20:15 AM
Nice article on Rhodes football player Jack Neill in the Memphis newspaper today.  Just another example of the high quality students who are competing in the SCAC.  Here's the link:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/mca/football/article/0,1426,MCA_478_5114871,00.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 03, 2006, 05:22:23 PM
big game this weekend in Memphis. I think it comes down to the Rhodes offense, which after last week is hurting, literally, from some key injuries. If the offense can get together and score, it might be a game. The defense is still playing hard and putting up good numbers. And Millsaps' offense we know will put up some points, but I don't think they'll get as many as some people expect. I think if the Lynx offense can play a whole game, then it will be a great game. This is the game to prove that Rhodes deserves the 3rd place spot, and to challenge for the title (even though they can't now). This is a big pride game for the Lynx, and I hope they step up and play with for that pride and take one. They deserve it.

As much as I would love to see the Millsaps/Trinity SCAC Championship next week with two undefeated teams, I will never pick against the Lynx. Especially not at home.

Rhodes - 31
Millsaps - 24  OT
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on November 03, 2006, 08:22:29 PM
Quote[Nice article on Rhodes football player Jack Neill in the Memphis newspaper today.  Just another example of the high quality students who are competing in the SCAC.  Here's the link:
/quote]

Awesome...great to see mainsteam media in decent size markets recognize good stories. Very nice.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 04, 2006, 12:02:21 PM
One Rhodes player gets an article every week in the Memphis paper. They do a good job of interviewing players, mainly seniors, and showing how Rhodes is really putting the STUDENT back into student athlete. Jack's story is great, and he is a great guy who is doing good things at Rhodes, and he definately has my respect. His story is not uncommon. There are tons of athletes, at Rhodes and elsewhere in the SCAC, that are doing the right thing on and off the field.

I'm sure there are more articles like this out there.

Now I hope Jack and the Lynx beat Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 04, 2006, 01:44:25 PM
Kickoff in the land of the Delta Blues is half an hour away.  Here's to the Majors for a nice win in Memphis.  I believe Rhodes' defense will provide a stiff test for the Majors' offense, which will be good for Millsaps in preparation for next week's SCAC championship game versus Trinity.  But the Rhodes offense won't be able to keep pace with Millsaps.  Millsaps will find a way to put points on the board....even if Marcus Harris has to intercept three passes and return a couple for a touchdown.

I have a lot of respect for Rhodes, but Millsaps gets it done versus the Lynx for the third consecutive year.

Millsaps 35
Rhodes 14
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 04, 2006, 02:30:09 PM
It's a punt fest in Memphis.  Millsaps and Rhodes are exchanging punts.  Neither offense is doing anything. The Rhodes guys are playing with some intensity...a lot of extracurricular activity from what I can tell.   The Majors' offense is very lethargic today. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabco on November 04, 2006, 02:50:27 PM
Any Dannies out there?  You losing again today?  We are waiting for you ......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 04, 2006, 02:56:38 PM
zero - zero in Memphis with 5 left in the first half. no offense at all... nothing special to report.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 04, 2006, 03:13:06 PM
It appears that there will be a shortage of scoring today in Memphis..... Millsaps' top two running backs are out..... Nick Namais was injured last week and is out for the season it appears.  Tyson Roy went down early today.  From what I can tell, he's walking around and is taped up, but has yet to take the field again. 

It's scoreless at halftime.

The way these two teams are playing something will give eventually. 
I'll change my pick..... ;)

Millsaps 7
Rhodes 0

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 04, 2006, 03:19:54 PM
Quote from: wabco on November 04, 2006, 02:50:27 PM
Any Dannies out there?  You losing again today?  We are waiting for you ......

DePauw 24, Austin 14, final from Blackstock. Would have been a much wider deficit if Marks hadn't sat out the majority of the last three quarters.

Dustin Hertel: 16 tackles, 4 sacks, 1 FF, 1 FR. Those are not a misprint.

I hope you don't think we're impressed by hanging 30+ on Denison, Wallies. See you in a week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 04, 2006, 03:24:03 PM
it sounds like both offenses aren't doing anything in Memphis. The description I got was "not too exciting. Whatever team screws up first on defense will lose."

consultant, even though it's not normally accepted protocol... I think I'm gonna have to change mine too.

Rhodes 7
Millsaps 3
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabco on November 04, 2006, 03:29:22 PM
What is an Austin?

Dannies ... its not Austin next week ... its the varsity.

YOU LOSE ......


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gobash on November 04, 2006, 04:01:09 PM
In order to prevent board contamination by having the Dannies over to the NCAC page, I started a Monon Bell topic in General Football.  See you ladies there  ;D

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4909.0

Wabash Always Fights
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 04, 2006, 04:19:51 PM
The Majors just got a touchdown pass from Juan Joseph to put the first points of the game on the board.
With that TD pass, Joseph has tied a Millsaps single-season record for TD passes with 19.   Millsaps leads Rhodes 7-0 early inthe 4th quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 04, 2006, 04:24:53 PM
Well....I'm not sure what happened.....the feed went out on the broadcast and Millsaps now leads Rhodes 14-0.  Apparently Millsaps picked off a Rhodes' pass and returned it for a touchdown.


News from San Antonio:

Trinity leads Sewanee 14-0 in the 3rd quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tu_lb53 on November 04, 2006, 04:30:07 PM
Curry caught another TD from Cannon, 21-0 Trinity
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2006, 05:04:09 PM
Final in SA, Trinity 21 Sewanee 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 04, 2006, 05:14:06 PM
Well, Millsaps prevails 14-6.  Things got a little interesting late in the game.  A lot of penalties were called.  It will be interesting to see what the final stats are.  

Coach DuBose called this victory a "lucky win."  He was disappointed offensively, pleased for the most part defensively and he says the Majors have a ways to go to get ready to be able to hang with Trinity.  

With the Trinity win, we'll now have a true championship game next Saturday in Jackson!  We'll have one true SCAC champion!  This week will be fun!

With the win, Millsaps (6-3, 5-0) has secured its first winning season since 2001.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2006, 05:44:51 PM
I don't think either coach will be totally happy after today's results.  Gives both of them something to motivate the teams next week (like they need much in the way of motivation given that it's basically Round 0 of the NCAA playoffs).

Is Tyson Roy OK?  The Majors need him healthy next week.   

In other news, most posters got it right:

QuestionWill both Trinity and Millsaps be undefeated in SCAC play when they meet Nov. 11?

Yes  -18 (72%)
No     -7 (28%)
   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2006, 05:52:22 PM
New poll ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 04, 2006, 06:15:52 PM
Ron,
Nice new poll, and nice question about Tyson Roy.  From what I gathered from the broadcast Tyson suffered some form of ankle injury.  He apparently has a high tolerance for pain and refuses to tape-up for practices and games. (This is a guy who has no ACL in one leg...I didn't know that was possible).  He was walking the sideline throughout the game, and he had the bum ankle taped at one point.  I'm not sure whether the injury is serious.  DuBose surely wasn't about to risk anything by playing Tyson today.  I would assume that if the ankle is attached to his body next Saturday that he will play.  The kid is a fierce competitor, and he'll find his way to the field.  Millsaps needs tyson to play, too.  He's a dangerous, dangerous weapon for the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 04, 2006, 06:34:03 PM
Ron great poll. And thanks for thinking of me, I put my vote in there. My actual vote would be Millsaps in a close one. I think next week is gonna be a great game, and in full spirit of "cheer for whoever is against Trinity" as well as "somebody other than Trinity please win the SCAC outright", as well as the fact that Millsaps is a great team this year. The coaches have done a great job in getting that program going the right way. I think the fact that it's at home helps them a lot. The school will be in full support and showing down there and they will make it a classic atmosphere.

As far as today's game, the Lynx defense did what they had to do. They held Millsaps to (what I think) is their lowest point total of the season. Can't ask for much more. The offense struggled and gave the second TD off the int return. Limiting the Majors offense to one TD is a good accomplishment.

consultant - what happened at the end of the game? I was getting my updates from phone calls, and I heard that we almost had OT. Rhodes apparently go to the 1 yd line close to the sideline and the discrepancy was whether or not they got out of bounds on the play. The call was that they came down inbounds so the clock ran out, just curious if you knew anything in more detail than that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 04, 2006, 08:07:14 PM
Hunter T,
I'd really like to see the game film to see what happened.  From what I heard on the broadcast, Rhodes was able to throw a final pass on a wing and a prayer.  It was hauled down by a Rhodes' receiver at about the four yardline near the sideline.  He was dropped immediately by Millsaps defenders, but the Rhodes' receiver rolled out of bounds.  In the meantime, the clock expired.  Rhodes wanted more time on the clock, but the officals disagreed. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 05, 2006, 11:33:23 AM
that's essentially what I heard too. I wish I could see film. I'm definately not screaming about this or trying to blame the loss on that, but it was obviously a situation. I'm sure the refs did what was right, and there's nothing we can do. Good game by both sides, just would hate to have an Oklahoma/Oregon situation.

Not taking anything away from the Majors, good job on the win. Good luck this next weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 05, 2006, 07:20:47 PM
I drove to Memphis for the Millsaps-Rhodes game and here was the most telling number--there were 22 punts during the game (10 for Millsaps, 12 for Rhodes).  I seem to recall two good Millsaps drives which would be the touchdown drive and a third quarter drive that ended with a Rhodes interception at the 1.

Tyson Roy went out early and Millsaps used Kenneth Metzger at tailback for most of the game.  He had a respectable 62 yards on 17 carries which brings his season totals to 83 yards on 21 carries.  With no disrespect intended for Kenneth or the Rhodes defense, Millsaps was somewhat one-dimentional with Tyson out of the game (in all fairness to the Rhodes defense I should point out that Tyson had 1 carry for -6 yards and one catch for 1 yard prior to his injury).

It goes without saying that the offensive performance by Millsaps over their last 7 quarter will not win the team a SCAC championship.   I suspect that they will play better next week on the artificial turf at Millsaps and it wouldn't surprise anyone if they show some new wrinkles on offense that we haven't seen this season.  It's interesting that a few weeks ago the question mark was the Millsaps defense and now I think the question mark may have moved over to the offensive side of the ball.  They'll need to return to the level of play that they had against DePauw if Millsaps wants a good shot at winning the crown.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 05, 2006, 09:49:16 PM
Ron I hope you see that somebody else voted like me for the tie... I'm not the only crazy one on here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 06, 2006, 12:46:13 AM
To be sure, Millsaps had scored at least 26 points in every game this season until Saturday.  Credit the Rhodes defense for limiting the Majors' attack.  And yes, Millsaps will face a very tough Trinity defense on Saturday.  But I think that the Millsaps offense will be just fine this weekend.  Despite a lackluster offensive performance against Rhodes, winning two consecutive SCAC games on the road by a Millsaps team that had only played on the road once before is not a small accomplishment.  DuBose was disappointed in his team's focus during preparation this past week and was critical of how his team played on Saturday.  But, I really believe that playing Rhodes this past weekend was the best thing for the Majors.  Rhodes provided Millsaps with its most physical game this season.  They'll need that experience on Saturday vs. the Tigers.  Millsaps now knows what it is like to be punched in the mouth a little bit yet still find a way to win.  In fact, the winning part is what is so important. 

The Majors have learned how to win even when all cylinders on offense aren't clicking.  Trinity has long known how to win, and it will be a bunch of fun to see two good football teams slug it out for a championship.  And I can't emphasize this point enough.....this will be THE FIRST time that a SCAC football championship has come down to the final game of the season with a head-to-head, winner-take-all match up.  With a bid to the playoffs on the line, the stakes are more than just a shiny piece of hardware.  (By the way, Steve Argo and Dwayne Hanberry from the conference office are expected to be in Jackson on Saturday to present the championship trophy.) 

Regardless of who wins, this game will be CLOSE.  Just look at the conference only stats and see how Millsaps and Trinity stack up.  To that end, any statistical analysis needs to be performed using conference only stats.  It's the best read for what we can expect.  And still, ain't it great that they actually play the game ?!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2006, 12:48:27 AM
Quote from: HunterT on November 05, 2006, 09:49:16 PM
Ron I hope you see that somebody else voted like me for the tie... I'm not the only crazy one on here.

Yeah, I can be a bit of a smart-ass. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 06, 2006, 02:47:31 AM
Pat I appreciate the support. Nice to know that the brass has a good sense of humor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 06, 2006, 09:17:04 AM
In a bit of an oddity of scheduling, the game this weekend is Homecoming Weekend for Millsaps.  It's not the norm to have Homecoming against the toughest team on the schedule or at the last game of the regular season, but it will provide a great atmosphere for such a big game.  Just as I said before the DePauw game, Trinity has to be considered the favorite because of their past history and their undefeated status, but isn't it amazing that Millsaps is in this position after an 0-3 start. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2006, 09:21:40 AM
Quote from: HunterT on November 06, 2006, 02:47:31 AM
Pat I appreciate the support. Nice to know that the brass has a good sense of humor.

What?  According to some people he's a tyrant!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 06, 2006, 10:35:55 AM
I know it's not of great importance to the rest of the SCAC this week, but there are two big games that are not Trinity and Millsaps.

Depauw and Wabash, whose supporters must have dissappeared to the Monon Bell thread for the week. I know nothing, but Go Depauw. Support fellow SCAC teams.

Then Rhodes and Sewanee in their annual Bowl Game. The Edmund Orgil Trophy supposedly got a make-over and looks more like the Stanley Cup than the bowl that it used to. Big game being played at Sewanee, who always makes it a great atmoshpere there when we play them. They will be out in force, and I think the biggest matchup of the week is the Rhodes Front 7 vs. Wes Satterfield. If the big guys can keep him from scrambling around and running the option game like he did against Depauw, then Rhodes should win. If not, and I definately think they will, those guys are playing amazing, then it's going to be very tough for the guys to take the hardware back to Memphis. Last year in Memphis Satterfield won the game on a scramble up the middle in OT. The pocket collapsed and he was forced to use his legs, the best part of his packacge IMO, and got the job done. And then in a very disrespectful act, similar to Miami jumping on the Louisville logo before the game, the Sewanee players rang the Rhodes bell. A symbol at Rhodes that has been there a long time, and it very important to the players and alumni.

That one act took this rivalry to a new level. Rhodes BETTER BE looking for revenge. They need to be feeling the anger and frustration from that game, as well as the last two. They need to go down there and make a statement and totally ruin the Tigers weekend.

translate that last bit as a message to the players that I know read this board... GO RHODES
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 06, 2006, 11:42:05 AM
As Frank pointed out, Millsaps will be celebrating homecoming this weekend.  During a pre-game ceremony on Saturday, Millsaps will honor this year's Hall of Fame inductees.  Also being honored will be the Distinguished Service Award recipient (a REALLY BIG DEAL around Millsaps)......and our fellow poster, Frank Ezelle, will be THE MAN!  Frank, I've already expressed gratitude to you for your efforts in helping make things better at Millsaps, but I thought that I should make a more public statement! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 06, 2006, 11:51:47 AM
I echo Consultant's statement Frank, thanks for all you do and have done for the school!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 06, 2006, 01:24:01 PM
Frank, congrats. Sounds like a big deal, and you deserve it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2006, 03:52:20 PM
Awesome.  Congrats, Frank!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2006, 04:24:50 PM
Congratulations, Frank!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 06, 2006, 04:29:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2006, 12:48:27 AM
Quote from: HunterT on November 05, 2006, 09:49:16 PM
Ron I hope you see that somebody else voted like me for the tie... I'm not the only crazy one on here.

Yeah, I can be a bit of a smart-ass. :)

Say what?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2006, 03:08:04 AM
Sorry, smart-mouth -- didn't mean to offend your sensibilities. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 07, 2006, 07:03:16 AM
Thanks for the above congratulations--I took off yesterday to work on the photos from the Rhodes football game and I'm in early today to post them.  When they first told me about the award my first question was, "Didn't anyone give a lot of money this year?".  Apparently not, but the photos I provided for the school and more importantly for each individual athlete take somewhere between 500 and 1,000 hours of work each year so it is nice to have this show of appreciation.

For those who are interested, the Rhodes photos should be posted within an hour after the time on this post.  Click on the link below, go to the Football 2006 link, then you'll see the Rhodes game.  The Players and Coaches--File 3 link is also from the Rhodes game.  Here's the link:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2006, 08:13:23 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2006, 03:08:04 AM
Sorry, smart-mouth -- didn't mean to offend your sensibilities. :)

"Sensibilities"? Didn't know I had 'em ....  :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2006, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2006, 03:08:04 AM
Sorry, smart-mouth -- didn't mean to offend your sensibilities. :)

I think WT was just surprised that you admitted it.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 07, 2006, 01:42:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on November 07, 2006, 11:12:22 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 07, 2006, 03:08:04 AM
Sorry, smart-mouth -- didn't mean to offend your sensibilities. :)

I think WT was just surprised that you admitted it.   ;D

Indeed ....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 08, 2006, 01:53:29 PM
It has been quiet on here . . . I know the Bell game pulled alot of people to another thread, but we have a championship game this weekend.  Where are all the Trinity guys? In the five or so years I have been reading posts, Trinity usually dominates this board, are you waiting for us to say something?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2006, 02:04:58 PM
Not much action here for an upcoming championship game between two teams that are undefeated in conference play.  I'm not sure if there is much to say--the big question might be the health of Tyson Roy and I know nothing of his status nor would I report anything if I knew it.  I'm sure Trinity is planning on Tyson being at full strength.

My gut feeling is that Millsaps will have a fair amount of new stuff in the mix for this game.  I'm trying to think of any trick plays that Millsaps has run this year and I don't recall any at the moment.  Maybe Coach DuBose doesn't believe in that sort of thing or maybe he has been saving them.  I tend to believe that there are some tricks that have been stored away for this game.

Since the two teams now have 6 common opponents, here's a list of the results in those games which maybe tells us nothing more than both teams tend to play better at home:

Millsaps over Centre 38-12 at home--Trinity won 17-10 on the road
Millsaps over Austin 26-11 on the road--Trinity won 34-7 at home
Millsaps over DePauw 31-7 at home--Trinity won 26-15 at home
Millsaps over Sewanee 35-18 on the road--Trinity won 21-7 at home
Millsaps over Rhodes 14-6 on the road--Trinity won 41-7 at home
Millsaps lost to Huntingdon 34-35 at home--Trinity won 24-13 on the road

Judging by the above you might say that Millsaps did better against Centre and DePauw, Trinity did better against Austin, Rhodes and Huntingdon, and maybe the Sewanee result is a tossup.  That sounds like Trinity has the edge in results while Millsaps has the edge of being the home team.  Maybe HunterT knows what he is talking about.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2006, 02:13:13 PM
exmajor and I were thinking the same thing about the lack of activity here before such an important game.  Is anyone up for predictions?  If you don't want to go out on a limb predicting a winner, then how about this question:

Millsaps SCAC games are averaging 39.6 points per game, 28.8 for Millsaps and 10.8 for their opponent.  Trinity SCAC games are averaging 37 points per game, 27.8 for Trinity and 9.2 for their opponent.  Will the total points at the end of regulation in this weeks game be (a) under 38 or will it be (b) 38 points or more?

My guess is 38 points or more at the end of regulation

(I had the math wrong initially--I think the above is correct)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 08, 2006, 03:06:23 PM
I am going with the under, I think defense wins the day here and a shootout is unlikely.  Special teams may also play a huge factor and hopefully Millsaps and Chris Jackson are up to the challenge.  Also, whoever wins the turnover battle should be sitting pretty (I know sounds kinda like a Madden statement), but I have a feeling turnovers will be the most decisive factor of all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 08, 2006, 05:30:28 PM
I agree, it's been scary quiet before a game like this. Kinda like the quiet before the storm. I figured the Depauw guys would relocate to the Monon Bell thread, but I expected the Trinity guys to be talking nonstop. Where is everybody?

To Frank's question, over 38. The offenses of both teams are too good to have a 17-21 game. It will be over. The defenses are good, but the offenses will put up the points. And it won't be more than a one score game at the end.

I agree with exmajor, It's gonna come down to turnovers and special teams. IF the game gets ugly and the ball starts changing hands unexpectedly, whoever ends up doing a better job hanging on will win. (Yes that sounds way way too much like Madden, but sometimes the simplist things are true). Juan Joseph is my leading candidate for Offensive POTY, but if he can't get it done here, then it shifts. This is a big game for Millsaps to prove that their offense is what it has been hyped up to be. And the Black Flag should take that as a challenge. Rhodes held 'Saps to 14 on the road, what can TU do when they are at home?

The special teams are going to be very important this week in Jackson. Trinity is always solid, they will get the job done, but I'm afraid they don't have the explosive ability to make game changing plays on ST. I don't think that will be enough. There has to be a big play on ST if the offense/defense battle goes into stalemate. Millsaps seems to be more hit or miss. The kickers have been shifted around all season, while the block teams have got the job done (1 punt blk, 5 kick blk). Trinity has been good on kicks all season (6-7 long of 38) but nothing too long, while blocking 3 kicks. It's gonna be interesting to see how these compare.

Millsaps will be fired up on ST and will be gunning for a block. It could come down to one player giving more effort than the guy against him on one play. That's why they have the kicking game. (sorry a little bias since it was my area of the game)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2006, 06:32:41 PM
Trinity has allowed one passing TD all season - that was last week after the game was out of reach.  For Millsaps to win, Juan Joseph has to have a better day against the Black Flag than any other QB has this year.   And for that to happen, Millsaps needs a solid rushing attack, b/c Trinity on average allows more yards on the ground than through the air.  It's a battle of the #1 SCAC pass defense against the #1 SCAC pass offense.  Millsaps has allowed only four sacks in conference play and if they can continue to give Joseph that kind of time it could be a long day for the visitors. 

I think the Trinity offense will get its points against Millsaps, even if they are less explosive than in seasons past.  Millsaps will be on the lookout for Riley Curry who has shouldered a lot of the receiving load as of late.  Trinity, on the other hand, had better keep a close tab on Marcus Harris and Ronnie Wheat.  The 7 interceptions they have between them (plus two more each from Michael Sims and Shawn Gillenwat) are the reason that the Majors' pass efficiency defense is second only to Trinity's.  Millsaps allows nearly 200 yards per game passing but a couple of extra INTs each game make up for a lot of that weakness.

If the game's in SA, it's Trinity by a couple of TDs, but on the road it's going to come down to who makes the fewest mistakes.   Millsaps has by far the best turnover margin and perhaps the intangibles due to it being homecoming and with the game being meaningful for the first time in a long while.  I'll take TU in a squeaker, 21-20, but it could very easily go the other way.   Should be fun!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 08, 2006, 07:55:56 PM
I really hope that Trinity can pull it out on the road this weekend, but I am worried.  Trinity hasn't played well in Jackson over the past 12 years, save for one blowout in 1998.  They have lost twice ('96 and '00) and the rest have been very close, even coming down to the last play in '04.  Like Ron said, if it were in San Antonio I could basically guarantee a win.  But in Jackson is a different story.  Hopefully all the close games on the road helped get them ready for what will be a real test.

On a side note, I'm going to have to eat some crow for saying at the beginning of the year that "Millsaps and Sewanee are still awful."  I got Sewanee right, but Millsaps has made a complete turnaround from the mess they were last year.

There's nothing better than two teams with a clean conference record slugging out in the final week for a playoff spot!  It should be a great game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 08, 2006, 10:13:44 PM
Ron and ttu -

If this game was in Trinity, the conversation on this board would be very different, and I would not have voted for a tie. There is something about San Anton, or maybe it's the "Oh my god we're playing Trinity" factor coupled with the travel and road weariness. Not sure which.

This game takes on a different atmosphere in Jackson. Look at West Virginia at Louisville, two good teams playing at the "lower team's" place. Similar here, and I think that it's the right ingredients for a new SCAC Champ.

Maybe.

And I have to eat my words and thoughts as well, I haven't thought much about this Millsaps team all season, especially after the first 3 losses. But they've proven themselves well. Good job to the Majors and coaches on a good season, regardless of this outcome this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 08, 2006, 10:35:57 PM
Just got these stories today, both good write-ups from the Nashville paper about 1. D-III football being played at Sewanee, and 2. a brief story about the upcoming Edmund Orgil Cup battle this Saturday.

1.
http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061107/SPORTS06/611070359/1034

2.
http://tennessean.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061107/SPORTS06/611070360/1034

As much as it pains me, the Nashville paper does give the UOS some face time, and these articles are well written. Enjoy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 09, 2006, 12:00:37 AM
Hey Team,

Had to count to ten before I went nuts on a wally or two.  Gotta tell you, as impressed as I have been with Millsaps and Coach DuBose this year, I still like TU.  Nobody beats Trinity for the SCAC title.  Not last year, or the year before, or ever.  The game is in Jackson, but I still honestly think Coach Mohr will have his guys ready to go. 

It really comes down to this essentially being a playoff game.  Gotta like the Texas Tigers for that reason.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 09, 2006, 12:23:27 AM
Quote from: Hawks88 on September 16, 2006, 11:51:23 PM
Either we aren't as good as we think, or Millsaps is the best 0-3 team in the country. They seem like if they can work a couple of things out on defense, they have a chance to make some noise when they start conference play.

Back in September, Huntingdon poster Hawks88 may have realized long before anybody else that Millsaps had the potential to turn its season around.  I believe that Saturday's game will be a classic.  Millsaps has played well at home, and they have routinely played well against Trinity at home over the last 12 years (with the exception of 98).

I expect the offenses to produce, and I do think that more than 38 points will be scored in this one.  I agree that the game will turn on special teams play and turnovers.  The weather should be cool and nice.  Millsaps is expecting a large crowd.  I'm getting on a plane tomorrow for a nice weekend in Mississippi.  Go Majors!

My pick:
Millsaps 28
Trinity 24

Juan Joseph and a healthy Tyson Roy confuse the Black Flag and the Millsaps D comes up with a few big stops or turnovers to seal the win!  We shall see.  I'll give a report for sure. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 09, 2006, 12:37:00 AM
Well, I just discovered a bit of a wrinkle to the Millsaps/Trinity game.  In a pre-game press release sent to me via e-mail tonight I read where the Majors' Tyson Roy is not expected to play.  I am surprised by that.  Outside of this release, I have not heard any mention that Tyson would not play.  I fully expect him to play a role on Saturday.  As always, we shall see.  But the Majors' running game will be affected if Roy is in fact a no go. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 09, 2006, 08:50:34 AM
There's one factor that hasn't been mentioned that might be the deciding factor.  Millsaps plays on an artifical tuff field and I think they are much more comfortable on this consistent surface as opposed to the inconsistency of the tuff fields on the road. 

Maybe this is a poor comparison but in tennis a player is usually more comfortable on a particular surface and they develop a style that matches the surface.  While tennis has the added element of the bounce taken by the ball, much of a tennis player's comfort level deals with his movement on the court and the footing of the court. 

Millsaps has average almost 37 points per game at home and only 25 ppg on the road.  Some of that could be explain by the level of competition (thank you Lincoln University) but the offense sputtered at Austin, Sewanee, and Rhodes.  The points might not look too bad and the yardage might have been okay, but they didn't put together many of the 9-15 play drives like I see when they play at home.  I think the offense will be greatly helped by a return to the home field surface.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 09, 2006, 09:07:25 AM
Millsaps has an excellent new SID this year (Kevin Maloney) and he has written a great preview about the upcoming game that would be an interesting read for Millsaps fans, Trinity fans, and D3 football fans.  Here's the link:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/110806preview.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 09, 2006, 11:39:17 AM
Another quick posts with links to article's about the upcoming game.  First is a link to the Millsaps school newspaper.  It's quite q bit to download the entire paper but the sports are on page 9 and 10.  Page 9 has an interesting interview with Coach DuBose (I get credit here for a photo I did not take) and Page 10 has the story on the Rhodes game.  Here's that link:

http://www.millsaps.edu/p&w/

The other link is a story in today's local paper to a story with the headline "Miracle at Millsaps?" which is a fairly accurate headline given the difference between Trinity and Millsaps football over the last 15 years:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061109/SPORTS030105/611090353/1085

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 10, 2006, 08:08:54 AM
The silence here makes me fondly recall the days of DePauw coaching disputes.  I guess in all honesty there isn't much to talk about that hasn't been said--but that's never stopped me in the past.  Just some random thoughts to throw out on a day before the game:

--High for tomorrow will only be 60 after a much warmer week and there is some chance of rain.  I don't know if rain helps or hurts either team but it makes things tough for photographers so I hope it's a dry day.
--I'm sure Trinity assumes that Tyson Roy will play.  The Millsaps preview said Tyson probably won't play.  That would leave Millsaps with just inexperienced freshmen running backs for the game which would probably lead to some adjustments.  I wonder if they would more Chris Jackson to the backfield--he's a big guy, he can block, and he can run after catching those little passes that Tyson catches all the time.  If not that, then will Millsaps go with an empty backfield and receivers all over the place?
--Trinity has won the SCAC so many years in a row and it looks like they have been to the NCAA playoffs 9 years in a row.  Is this added confidence or added pressure?  By the way, from 1990 to 1992 Trinity was 1-9, 1-9 and 2-8 in football with 14-45, 7-31 and 17-40 losses to Millsaps.  I didn't realize that their program was ever at that point.  Millsaps with a guaranteed winning season and 1st or 2nd in the conference already wrapped up has had a great season that they are trying to add on to but Trinity's benchmark for success starts with the bottom rung being an SCAC championship.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2006, 08:14:41 AM
Frank, Trinity was pretty bad before Steve Mohr signed on.  They used to bring in some of the schools from Mexico so they could get a W from time to time.  The sole highlight during my days in school was a homecoming tie with then #2 Tarleton State.  About the time Mohr came onboard, the school decided that athletics were a bonus rather than a detriment if done right, a major donor contributed the funds for the Bell Athletic Center, and they brought in an AD (Bob King) who understands how academics and athletics can not only co-exist but thrive. 

It's only in the last decade or so that Trinity has been a national player in any D3 sport.   Prior to that, the only thing they were known for was Division I tennis and trap & skeet shooting. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 10, 2006, 09:13:52 AM
Just a note that Athletic Director Bob King is a Millsaps alum.  He came a few years after me so I don't know him well but he has always seemed to be a really good guy and apparently the right man for the job at Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on November 10, 2006, 10:23:55 AM
I guess it's my turn to weigh in.  This game has the makings of an epic battle between two very determined opponents. In Millsap, you have an excellent offense and a good defense against Trinity, which has an excellent defense and a good offense.  I was impressed with the stat about the Millsap O-line only giving up 4 sacks all year.  If the Millsap QB has time to throw, he could cause some damage to the Black Flag pass defense. However, to protect the QB, Millsap will need to establish a running game.  As always, at this point of the season, injuries take a toll on the effectiveness of a team. Thus, the Millsap running back injuries could be a factor.  Millsap's O-line has not reallly faced a defenseive line with Trinity's speed and quickness.  While Millsap may have a size advantage, Trinity routinely brings 7 to 8 defensive players to the point of attack.  

Offensively, Trinity has developed a balanced attack.  Trinity has had the same O-line intact since the beginning of the season.  The running attack has both power and quickness.  TU utilizes at least 6 to 7 receivers, which makes it difficult to focus on one in particular.  If Jake Cannon has the time to throw, it will be a long day for Millsap.  Trinity also has had it's share of devastating injuries, mostly on offensive, but so far, others have stepped up to keep things going.  

On special teams, TU has been vulnerable.  If Millsap can establish good field position, or even score, it could be tough for Trinity.

Finally, the intangibles.  Turn overs, home field advantage, history, injuries, Homecoming, weather, missed assignments, bad calls, all of it makes for interersting speculation.  In the end, I think that Trinity's depth, experience, and preparation will prevail, but it will be close.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 10, 2006, 12:09:02 PM
It should be a nice fall day for a championship game tomorrow in Jackson.  A cold front will sweep across the state tonight.  The high will be 60 with a less than 20% chance of rain. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 10, 2006, 12:55:01 PM
Nice to see Tigerpop on board.  The Millsaps O-line has also benefited by keeping the same starting unit all year.  What many don't realize is that 3 of the 5 are freshmen.

The 4 sacks allowed in 9 games is amazing when you consider the number of pass attempts by the offense.  Going in order by games from first to last, the pass attempt totals have been:  29, 33, 27, 36, 39, 40, 43, 46, and 49.  It makes you think that 50 passes against Trinity is a possibility, especially if Tyson Roy is out for the game.  I would venture that the low number of sacks is a combination of the o-line, the mobility of Juan Joseph, and the system being run.  It makes for an interesting game-within-the-game situation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 10, 2006, 05:41:08 PM
Would have liked to be in Jackson to see this one in person, but we'll be listening in on Trinity's webcast instead.  Thanks to Trinity's PAWS (football booster organization), the games are covered LIVE on the web and also MP3 archived for later listening.

For the live Trinity (homers!) broadcast at gametime, use this link:
  http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports.m3u  (http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports.m3u)

To review webcast archives, including the student-produced "Tiger Football Weekly" preview shows, here's the link:
  http://www.pawsfootball.org/custom.asp?id=172439&page=1 (http://www.pawsfootball.org/custom.asp?id=172439&page=1)

Here's wishing everyone a safe trip, fair weather, and an injury-free game.

GO TIGERS ... BRING IT HOME, MEN.
;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 10, 2006, 05:56:11 PM
Interesting stat according to the SCAC website:

SCORE BY QUARTERS     1st  2nd  3rd  4th    Total
--------------------  ---  ---  ---  ---      ---
Millsaps College....   96   51   71   78  -         296
Opponents...........   55   37   50   50  -         192

SCORE BY QUARTERS     1st  2nd  3rd  4th    Total
--------------------  ---  ---  ---  ---      ---
Trinity University..   53   95   56   44  -           248
Opponents...........    6   20   24   33  -            83

Millsaps likes to score in bunches early and Trinity has only given up six points in the 1Q all year.  This should make for an interesting 1Q.  Trinity's best scoring comes in the 2Q which is subsequently Millsaps best defensive quarter.  Despite these stats, not sure I would go anywhere at half-time, seems like this game won't be settled before or even during the 4Q?  I would like to see how these stats shake out if you took the first three games off Millsaps' numbers, may be a little closer on the defensive side.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 10, 2006, 07:39:55 PM
While I certainly appreciated the job done by the Trinity guys when they webcast baseball last year, I'm sure most of you will want to tune into the Millsaps broadcast of the game at:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/index.php

You'll see the "Listen Live!" link.  The kickoff for the game is 2:00 central time and they usually start the game broadcast off a half hour before kickoff with interviews and comments, etc. 

Let's all hope for a great game with no injuries and I'll be pulling for the winner to do well when the NCAA Playoffs start.  With Millsaps having an extremely young team this year, maybe they will start going into every last game of the year with a championship on the line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 10, 2006, 09:06:24 PM
Good Luck to the Majors and Tigers. As well as the other SCAC players and coaches. Let's just get that out there first.

Any predictions this week? I know there are some on the Pick Um's Board, but I figured I'd throw mine out here too.

Centre by 3 over Austin. Not much to talk about, just another SCAC game.

Depauw by 1 over Wabash, bring the Monon Bell back to the SCAC.

Millsaps ties Trinity. This game really can't take predictions. So my tie finally fits somewhere.

Rhodes by 10 over Sewanee. Rhodes goes for blood on the mountain, and gets it. Bring the cup home boys!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 10, 2006, 11:58:52 PM
Here goes... Trinity by 13....  34-21....  Black flag rules
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 10:39:57 AM
Good luck Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2006, 02:57:05 PM
SCAC updates would be appreciated ... I'm on via dialup today and it's very hard to get connected to any streams.

Austin is up at the half on Centre, 21-14. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 03:27:36 PM
Millsaps holds Trinity on downs at the 18.  Majors break a long run to the Trinity 43.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 03:30:09 PM
Millsaps leads by 14 and driving.  At the Trinity 30.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 11, 2006, 03:40:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on November 11, 2006, 02:57:05 PM
SCAC updates would be appreciated ... I'm on via dialup today and it's very hard to get connected to any streams.

2:21 left in 4th; DePauw ball on own 20.  Wabash 23 - DePauw 14

Dick throws an interception - Pynenberg back to DPU 21 - Game As Well As Over.

Wabash Always Fights
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 03:40:25 PM
End of the 1st quarter, Millsaps 21 Trinity 0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 11, 2006, 03:41:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on November 11, 2006, 02:57:05 PM
SCAC updates would be appreciated ... I'm on via dialup today and it's very hard to get connected to any streams.

Austin is up at the half on Centre, 21-14. 


Attendance in lousy weather in Crawfordsville - 11,669
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 03:47:39 PM
Trinity holds Millsaps and takes over after a punt at their 20.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on November 11, 2006, 03:51:58 PM
DePauw intercepts inside their 20.  Two bombs.  Touchdown w/ 6 seconds left - PAT missed.  DPU blows the onsides kick - not 10 yds, and 'Bash has ball at DPU 42 with two seconds left.  Game over.

Wabash 23
DePauw 20

Series 53-51-9. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 11, 2006, 04:37:33 PM
Any more updates on Trinity/Millsaps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 04:38:13 PM
27-6 at half.  Waiting on the homecoming court to finish.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 04:45:23 PM
Trinity at the Millsaps 45 on the opening drive of the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 04:47:45 PM
Tigers 1st down at the Millsaps 30 on pass interference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 04:50:52 PM
Trinity stopped short on 4th down pass.  Millsaps takes over at their 21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 04:52:58 PM
Millsaps 30 yard completion into Trinity territory.  Penalty on the next play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2006, 04:53:56 PM
Millsaps broadcasters making fun of the Black Flag defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 04:55:21 PM
I'm listening to the Trinity broadcast and they have a much different take on the game.  Big special teams plays have hurt Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2006, 04:58:55 PM
Well, the Millsaps broadcast is painful to listen to. It's all "we" and "us" from guys who I think are too old to be on the actual team, complaining about officiating, inside jokes, etc. Ugh.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:00:14 PM
Millsaps fakes the punt and runs to the Trinity 12.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:02:49 PM
Millsaps misses a 24 yard field goal.  Personal foul on Millsaps.  Trinity ball at their own 35.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:05:39 PM
4:47 left in the 3rd.  Trinity at the 48.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:07:13 PM
Trinity forced to punt.  3:16 left in the 3rd.  Millsaps starts at their own 37.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:13:52 PM
Start of the 4th quarter, Millsaps still leads 27-6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:18:49 PM
Jackson fumbled the punt for Millsaps, but the ball was recovered by Millsaps at the 40.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:22:20 PM
Trinity takes over at their own 37.  Cannon throws to Coleman, but the pass is short and intercepted by Millsaps.  10:33 to go in the game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:27:18 PM
Trinity takes over after a punt.  Down to the Millsaps 30.  No huddle offense.  8 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:28:35 PM
Millsaps intercepts and returns for a TD.  3rd INT of the day.  Millsaps leads 34-6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 11, 2006, 05:39:45 PM
Trinity TD with 5:04 left.  2 pt conversion is incomplete.  34-12.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 11, 2006, 06:04:22 PM
Congratulations to Majors on a great season after the slow start. Good luck in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2006, 06:25:37 PM
Yep, congratulations to the Majors!  Looks like you made Trinity play your game all day.  Good luck in the playoffs ... and represent the SCAC well!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 11, 2006, 07:09:39 PM
Unreal. Never did I think I'd see Trinity lose such a big game in such blowout fashion. Big ups to the Majors - represent the SCAC well in the playoffs!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 11, 2006, 07:16:43 PM
Congrats to the Majors. Sounds like it was a good game.

Rhodes beat Sewanee today in a great game on the mountain. The Lynx struck first on a fumble return by Desmond Hendricks just :30 into the game. Sewanee messed up the snap, Hendricks picked it up and ran the short distance into the endzone. Then later in the first, the Rhodes offense finally put together a drive that ended with a 4 yd run by Ty Lake for the TD to make it 14-0 Rhodes. It had the makings of a blowout, but this is a rivalry, so anything can happen.

Sewanee started to get an offensive drive going, but a fumble inside the Rhodes 15 yd line was recovered by Rhodes. The defense was great. They forced 3 turnovers in the first few drives and got the offense good field position, stopped some big drives, and put some points on the board. The Sewanee running game got moving and between Wes Satterfield and their running back, they gave the Lynx some fits. Constantly running to the outside and getting the offense going. They scored a TD on a long pass from Satterfield where he scrambled around for what seemed like days then finally chucked one to the endzone and was caught for the TD. It looked like a miracle play that you sould see at the end of the game, not midway through the 3rd quarter.

Rhodes defense held strong on a 4th and 3 from their own 26 yd line late in the 4th. That became the play of the game. Satterfield rolled right looking for an option and the defense swarmed and got the stop. That gave Rhodes the ball, they punted and put the Tigers deep in their own side of the field, then never got gonig on their last drive. Rhodes went for it on a 4th and inches with about 1 minute left and converted. Then just kneeled on the ball and started the celebration.

Let me post my appreciation for Wes Satterfield. That is one of the best student atheletes that I have seen in a long time. He made plays that never should have been made, and towards the end, you could see that he was playing his last game and refused to lose. He will defeinately be missed at Sewanee and was a class act. I saw a couple Rhodes coaches go up to him specifically after the game and congratulate him on his career. He deserves full respect for the way he plays and what he did. A shame that the season couldn't have gone better for him, because he faught as hard as he could today, and I'm sure he did the rest of the season. Good luck to him in whatever he does in the future.

Go Lynx. Thanks to the players for bringing the Orgil Cup back home to where it belongs, IN MEMPHIS!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 11, 2006, 09:28:42 PM
These eyes have never seen a Millsaps team dominate the way they did today.  Special teams played a big role, but Millsaps controlled the ball on offense and ate some clock.  The Majors' defense confused Trinity's offense and poor Jacob Cannon spent the majority of his afternoon on his back.  Trinity was never in the ball game.  It was a great atmosphere on a great day! Trinity is a good football team, but Millsaps this year was too tough to beat. 

More later.........
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on November 11, 2006, 09:44:00 PM
MAJOR kudos to the Majors...very impressive....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 11, 2006, 09:57:28 PM
Congratulation to Millsaps!

I really hope you play an ASC team so we can judge the team's progress since September.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BVHawk on November 11, 2006, 10:00:59 PM
Congrats to Millsaps on making the post season.  Best of luck!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 11, 2006, 10:08:49 PM
Congrats to the Majors. Great win and a great season.

Don't take this the wrong way, but I expected Depauw to be the team that would end Trinity's streak.

Good luck in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 11, 2006, 10:20:33 PM

Just got back from the Millsaps game, and I believe it served as a crystal ball.  Here's what I'm thinking the future holds:

-Juan Joseph is as poised a kid as I have ever seen at quarterback.  He really knows what he's doing, both within the system and making plays on his own.  To win the SCAC for the next two years, teams are going to have to figure out how to stop this kid.

-Trinity is now going to have to start fighting for the conference title.  Getting a look at them up close, they are just not physically imposing the way they used to be.

-There was one fuzzy vision in the crystal ball, and that is the future of Mike DuBose.  I'm pretty certain that starting this weekend, he's going to have to start fielding inquiries from big schools in need of football leadership.

As far as the game in the present tense, the Majors revealed a few things today:

-They have some difference makers.  Chris Jackson is awfully good on top of being fast.  Also, Mr. Joseph is a player, as stated before.  This brought to light that Trinity really has only one guy who can individually influence a game, and he's an undersized defensive lineman

-Trinity is just not very talented on offense.  I wouldn't say they are especially talented on defense, as their lack of speed was occasionally evident today.  I really am pretty impressed that they were able to enter this game with as good of a record as they did.  I think it's an indication of how well coached they are.  However, I think some coaching decisions contributed to their demise today.

There is no doubt that one team was far more ready to play today than the other.  The majors had some terrific individual efforts on a number of plays that enabled them to capitalize on a great team effort, and I congratulate them as well as the Millsaps faithful, who have long wished for a day like today.  Cherish it, though, as the year following a breakthrough season is often very challenging (meeting expectations), and who knows what will happen after that.

I never thought I would actually see this streak come to an end, as far as we were out in front for as long as we were, but it has, and I still love my team.  In perspective, 8-2 is really not that bad, and I'm proud of the guys, even though they were outcoached, outplayed, and I think outinspired today.  I don't know if I've given enough credit to Millsaps with this post.  I was pretty impressed.  I'm really glad for Frank Ezelle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 11, 2006, 11:05:42 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on November 11, 2006, 10:20:33 PM


The majors had some terrific individual efforts on a number of plays that enabled them to capitalize on a great team effort, and I congratulate them as well as the Millsaps faithful, who have long wished for a day like today.  Cherish it, though, as the year following a breakthrough season is often very challenging (meeting expectations), and who knows what will happen after that.


Well, the good news is that the Majors return a majority of their players next year.  I believe they only lose six seniors including Chris Jackson.  Joseph is a soph and Roy is a junior.  Now they are going to see another level of football.  For someone who played in the late 90s for the Majors, this is a wonderful day!  I endured alot of 2-8, 3-7 seasons!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 11, 2006, 11:12:50 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2006, 04:58:55 PM
Well, the Millsaps broadcast is painful to listen to. It's all "we" and "us" from guys who I think are too old to be on the actual team, complaining about officiating, inside jokes, etc. Ugh.

The broadcasters are with the ESPN station in Jackson, it has come a long way from what "we" used to have Pat.  I agree, they are certainly "Millsaps" announcers, but I do not mind  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 11, 2006, 11:18:13 PM
Congratulations to the Austin College Roos. A fifth place finish is better than the cellar (where a lot of people picked them) and is a great start for the future.  Coach Gage has done a great job.  I would like to say that I think AC has enjoyed their new conference and is looking forward to a fine future in the SCAC.   :)

Go Roos !!!   Go Cru !!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 11, 2006, 11:22:09 PM
A MAJOR win for Millsaps!  Kudos to all in their program....  Tu got down right away and could never make up any of that first quarter deficit...  Good luck to the Majors in the playoffs... see you'all next fall in SAT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 11, 2006, 11:27:51 PM
Add my congratulations to Millsaps.  You made a believer out of me !   ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: moondog on November 12, 2006, 01:10:23 AM
Well I guess it had to happen at some point!! I am glad Milsaps got it as they have been a thorn in our side for a long time and my brother went there. I was there in 96 when they spoiled a perfect season and they have always played tough. Good Luck Majors. TU2698 saw you in some pics, wish I could have been there with my bro.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 12, 2006, 02:21:19 PM
Goodness, does that mean Millsaps flies to Pittsburgh?  I think I might rather drive to Texas?  Interesting choice  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2006, 02:59:38 PM
Ex, you got the best possible result IMO out of the seedings.  CMU's 10-0 has been accomplished against some pretty indifferent competition.  I think the Majors have a great chance to pull the upset and get the SCAC's first playoff W since Trinity's Stagg Bowl run four years ago.  I hope you came out of yesterday's game healthy! 

And if there is any doubt that the NCAA totally has it in for Texas, just look at that excuse for a first round pairing between UMHB and HSU.   Remember that the "don't match up conference opponents in the first round" rule and the 500-mile rule only applies when you're not talking about schools from Texas.  What a bunch of BS. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 12, 2006, 03:00:20 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 12, 2006, 02:21:19 PM
Goodness, does that mean Millsaps flies to Pittsburgh?  I think I might rather drive to Texas?  Interesting choice  :-\
Exmajor, Millsaps is my team most likely to upset the host in the first round!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 12, 2006, 03:09:24 PM
Millsaps, good luck this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 12, 2006, 05:05:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on November 12, 2006, 02:59:38 PMAnd if there is any doubt that the NCAA totally has it in for Texas, just look at that excuse for a first round pairing between UMHB and HSU.   Remember that the "don't match up conference opponents in the first round" rule and the 500-mile rule only applies when you're not talking about schools from Texas.  What a bunch of BS.

Agreed. It's absolutely ridiculous what the NCAA does to Texas playoff teams year in and year out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SidApollo on November 12, 2006, 11:54:33 PM
OK, I'm sure this has been explained, discussed, debated...over and over.

But I worked with Tim Rogers at Kalamazoo College, and just learned about a month ago that he had been "dismissed" at DPU. Now, I was looking at the Monon Bell thread, and I saw that he apparently, and it sound like rightly so, is suing the school for midhandling the situation.

Could someone who knows the situation inside and out please take some time to give me the inside scoop on what happened, or at least refer me to links or threads where it was explained.

I understand that the school is probably doing everything it can to keep it under wraps, but I know Tim Rogers would have done very well at DePauw, and I'm finding it hard to believe that they let him go.

Thanks so much...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 13, 2006, 12:27:34 AM
Quote from: SidApollo on November 12, 2006, 11:54:33 PM
Could someone who knows the situation inside and out please take some time to give me the inside scoop on what happened, or at least refer me to links or threads where it was explained.

If you've got some time on your hands, the explination and rather heated discussion that followed begins on page #125 of this thread and runs for a good dozen pages or so. 

I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the situation sometime.  It'd be nice to hear from a former colleague who isn't waist deep in this mess.

I will say that his side of the story in the suit is the only side we know.  His side does indeed seem awfully "rightly so" for the moment. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2006, 08:04:27 AM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi8.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa38%2FF_L_E%2FMisc%2520Photos%2FBlogger%2520Photos%2FIMG_2043BSmall.jpg&hash=6610b35fa15da19684dba5c36230cd706166dd9d)

I'm sure there is a better way to insert this photo but I'm on the clock in 10 minutes.  Chris Jackson was the difference maker Saturday with 2 punts returned for touchdowns and a touchdown reception.  This photo is after the 2nd punt return and after this one Trinity was content to simply punt the ball out of bounds which resulted in great field position for Millsaps.  That's a stat that doesn't show up in the books but it is another way that Jackson made a huge difference.

That being said, it should be noted that all of the posts at the beginning of the season about the defensive scheme taking time to learn apparently were correct.  Millsaps allowed a touchdown fairly late in each half and they continued their theme of pressure creating turnovers.  The play of the defense is the most amazing thing considering the first 3 games of the season.

The offense was solid and I think they didn't run up a lot of yards partially because they were playing with a big lead and they didn't want to do anything that would slow down the clock or give Trinity a chance for a big play.  Tyson Roy was great in his brief appearance, but he went out early and Millsaps once again relied on freshman Kenneth Metzger who gave a solid performance in a huge game.

And to wrap things up:  (1) This was a great win because Trinity is a great program.  In my photos I included a photo of their banner that shows all of the SCAC championships and playoff appearances because it demostrates just what an accomplishment this was.  (2) Thanks to TU2698 for his compliment.  (3) I talked to Coach DuBose for the first time Sunday.  He is a very nice man and he says he is happy right where he is.  Yes, he could make more money somewhere else after this season but I hope he is ready to settle in one place where he can coach and have time for his family--I hope we are that lucky.  (4) And finally, I do have the photos from the game posted at the following link:

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/ (go to Football 2006 and you will see the Trinity album)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2006, 09:56:20 AM
Just a couple of added notes while I wait on a report to print.  Certainly Chris Jackson didn't get all of his return yards without help from his teammates but his numbers are impressive.  He returned the opening kickoff 49 yards.  The first punt he returned 67 yards for a touchdown.  Second punt was a 32 yard return.  Third punt was a 51 yard return for a touchdown and that was the last time they kicked to him.  That adds up to 199 yards of returns with 11:36 still remaining in the 2nd quarter and he also had a touchdown catch at that point.

For the Millsaps team, coming from a 1-5 SCAC record in 2005 to 6-0 in 2006 is quite a feat but it is even more impressive when you compare scores from year to year.  In 2005 Millsaps lost to DePauw 51-14, Centre 38-10, and Trinity 41-0.  In 2006 they beat these teams 31-7, 38-12, and 34-12 respectively.  While we are comparing road losses to wins at home, those are still improvements of 61 points, 54 points, and 63 points which is quite an amazing feat. 

Millsaps will have to play better on the road this week than they have in previous outings if they want to continue to round 2.  Hopefully Tyson Roy will be available for some action and hopefully receiver Eric McCarty will be closer to full speed to add another weapon to the passing attack.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 13, 2006, 10:14:46 AM
Frank,

CMU runs the wing-t offense and only passes when they have to according to their posters.  This will be quite a change from the offenses Millsaps has seen in the SCAC.

Now, from my quick research there are no direct links between Millsaps and CMU as far as common opponents go, but there are some common teams amongst the two schools when you dig a little.

CMU beat Colorado College 50-26
Colorado College lost to Huntingdon 21-14; Millsaps lost to Huntingdon 35-34
Colorado College lost to Rhodes 28-10; Millsaps beat Rhodes 14-6

CMU beat Chicago 27-0
Chicago lost to Depauw 31-6; Millsaps beat Depauw 31-7
Chicago lost to Wash U. 26-7

CMU beat Wash U 10-7 in 1OT
Wash U lost to Rhodes 6-3 in 1OT; Millsaps beat Rhodes 14-6
Wash U beat La Grange 31-21 (could go real deep here)

All this to say . . . well, not much, just some banter before the game and doing Kevin Bacon proud  ;D. 

I hope Tyson Roy is healthy as well, in fact, Millsaps need everyone healthy.  CMU has the new field turf, so that should also be a nice factor for Millsaps.  Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 13, 2006, 10:48:40 AM
BfB,,, my thoughts are that if any one conference has two schools THAT good, then one should be shipped out of region (as HSU was some years back)....  That way they don't face each other right away AND if they progress far enough might even meet up in the semis (saving a plane flight) or in the Stagg.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 13, 2006, 10:57:28 AM
historymajor, you are trying to apply common sense to a nonsensical organization.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 13, 2006, 11:21:12 AM
Congratulations to the Millsaps College Majors football team ... 2006 SCAC Champs.  You guys played a helluva ballgame on Saturday and earned the title fair and square.  Good luck in the playoffs ... we will be wishing you all the best!  Don't just qualify this year ... GO DEEP.

Congratulations also to the Trinity Tigers ... fine season, men.  Just a bit short at the end, but then, almost everyone loses their last game ... just wish you could have played a few more, that's all.   Considering everything y'all had to overcome this year, you men did very well!  Congratulations especially to the seniors who have finished their football career ... you should all be very proud and pleased.

Work hard in the classroom, get rested (and healed) up ... then hit the weightroom and the track for next season.   We're backing you all the way, Tigers.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 13, 2006, 11:53:56 AM
The weather in Pittsburgh on Saturday is calling for a high of 48 with a few showers, Sunday it drops to 41 with rain/snow.  Looks like it will be cold, but not as bad as it could be for Millsaps!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2006, 03:02:12 PM
NEW POLL

Can the doughty Major Men of Millsaps overcome travel, weather, playoff inexperience, AND the undefeated Carnegie-Mellon Tartans to post the SCAC's first playoff W since 2002? 

Or will CMU finally beat a good team?   ;D

PS - Kudos to the one person who picked the Majors in a blowout last week.  Who woulda thunkit??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 13, 2006, 03:16:42 PM
exmajor, one thing the weather report doesn't give you is the fact that CMU's campus is on Forbes which runs pretty parallel to the river system over there.  There is a sharp wind at times that sweeps off the river and runs right through Gesling stadium making it seem about 5 to 10 degrees cooler.  Also, that wind factor may play a role in the kicking game and possibly Millsaps pass game.  The fact of the matter is, you just never know about the weather in that section of Pittsburgh.  I've sat in the stands in jeans and a T-shirt for a half and then had to run to the car to get a hoody at halftime.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 13, 2006, 06:49:24 PM
Nice insight about the potential weather conditions at Gesling by BDTartan.  It's nice to know that Millsaps will be playing on a synthetic surface that they are used to.  That will certainly help the Majors feel more comfortable.  Also, the wind factor can play a role in Jackson, too.  A portion of the Millsaps campus is situated on the highest point in Jackson.  The baseball field is the exact spot.  The football field is in a valley so to speak just below the baseball field.  Wind finds its way down into the valley and can contribute to some bad kicks from time to time.  It was rather windy for some of the Trinity game this past Saturday.  In any event, Millsaps will have to keep their composure this weekend with the newness of the events.  I hope that take time to enjoy the experience and take care of business.

Millsaps will be flying to Pittsburgh on Friday. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 13, 2006, 08:05:10 PM
Well, if they were planning on doing any sightseeing, there is plenty to do in Pittsburgh.  In fact, CMU's campus offers some things to see.  They have an excellent art museum.  Not to mention the world's most painted object, according to guiness, right in the center of campus.  Its a fence the students use for announcements.  I bet there is 2 foot of paint on the fence.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 13, 2006, 08:12:03 PM
Some fun notes:

Let's build a stage:  Carnegie-Mellon has a phenomonal engineering school and started the first university program in drama.

Andrew who?  Andrew Carnegie insisted that his name be pronounced Car-NAY-ghee rather than CAR-nih-ghee.

Tastes like Sugar:  Perhaps CMU's most notable football highlight was winning the Eastern football championship in 1938 and then losing to Davey O'Brien and the National Champion TCU Horned Frogs in the Sugar Bowl.  Back then, CMU was known as Car-NAY-ghee Tech, and TCU was actually eligible to win a football national championship.  There was no threat of snubbing by a BCS oligarchy.  

They'll outwit their opponents:  As each of the member universities places a stronger emphasis on academics than athletics, this conference is sometimes referred to as the "Nerdy Nine" (even though there are now only eight members, four of which play football).

Brandeis University
(Judges)

Carnegie Mellon University   (Football)
(Tartans)

Case Western Reserve University (Football)
(Spartans)

Emory University
(Eagles)

New York University
(Violets)

University of Chicago  (Football)
(Maroons)

University of Rochester
(Yellowjackets)

Washington University in St. Louis  (Football)
(Bears)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 13, 2006, 08:14:22 PM
FEED ME

Okay BDTartan....help us out here.

Any truth to this?

Primanti Bros. Sandwiches -- the most famous meal in Western PA so I hear.  Primanti Bros. is open 24 hours and (I think) 7 days a week.  An entire order of french fries is served INSIDE the sandwich.  Darn good eats....I think the Majors should all eat a meal there.  Cheap, too...right?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 13, 2006, 08:15:43 PM
Quote from: consultant on November 13, 2006, 08:12:03 PM
Some fun notes:

Let's build a stage:  Carnegie-Mellon has a phenomonal engineering school and started the first university program in drama.

Andrew who?  Andrew Carnegie insisted that his name be pronounced Car-NAY-ghee rather than CAR-nih-ghee.

Tastes like Sugar:  Perhaps CMU's most notable football highlight was winning the Eastern football championship in 1938 and then losing to Davey O'Brien and the National Champion TCU Horned Frogs in the Sugar Bowl.  Back then, CMU was known as Car-NAY-ghee Tech, and TCU was actually eligible to win a football national championship.  There was no threat of snubbing by a BCS oligarchy.  

They'll outwit their opponents:  As each of the member universities places a stronger emphasis on academics than athletics, this conference is sometimes referred to as the "Nerdy Nine" (even though there are now only eight members, four of which play football).

Brandeis University
(Judges)

Carnegie Mellon University   (Football)
(Tartans)

Case Western Reserve University (Football)
(Spartans)

Emory University
(Eagles)

New York University
(Violets)

University of Chicago  (Football)
(Maroons)

University of Rochester
(Yellowjackets)

Washington University in St. Louis  (Football)
(Bears)

Johns Hopkins was the "nerdy ninth"!

And Rochester plays football as an affiliate in the Liberty League.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2006, 08:22:02 PM
Quote from: consultant on November 13, 2006, 08:12:03 PM
Some fun notes:

Let's build a stage:  Carnegie-Mellon has a phenomonal engineering school and started the first university program in drama.

That must explain why there's a stage in their gymnasium. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 13, 2006, 09:13:27 PM
"Any truth to this?

Primanti Bros. Sandwiches -- the most famous meal in Western PA so I hear.  Primanti Bros. is open 24 hours and (I think) 7 days a week.  An entire order of french fries is served INSIDE the sandwich.  Darn good eats....I think the Majors should all eat a meal there.  Cheap, too...right?"

Yes, in fact you are missing one key ingredient to their sandwiches....a heaping pile of coleslaw(the good kind, drier than most) along with the order of fries.  Yes, its relatively cheap.  You can get one of their many sandwiches and a drink for about 6-8 bucks.  Last time I went there was two weeks ago with my brother and I got the Primanti Steak and Cheese.  Excellent sandwich.  Mind you, there isn't a whole lot of seating room as most folks around there take their food to go, but it does have a bi-level seating area.  Only bad thing - you have to remember what you ordered and tell the cashier when you're done eating.

Had to edit this in because I forgot to mention it, Primanti Bros. is actually located about 8 blocks up from Gesling, so I guess if you were quick enough you could actually go grab yourself a sandwich at halftime.  they are located on Forbes Ave. right before you enter Pitt campus.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hugenerd on November 14, 2006, 02:19:41 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 13, 2006, 08:22:02 PM
Quote from: consultant on November 13, 2006, 08:12:03 PM
Some fun notes:

Let's build a stage:  Carnegie-Mellon has a phenomonal engineering school and started the first university program in drama.

That must explain why there's a stage in their gymnasium. :)

I wish they would have demolished that gym and built something on the par of a good high school gym already.  You really cant seat more than a few hundred people in the gym because they never pull out the bleachers behind the benches (actually it is impossible to pull them out because whoever designed the gym and bleachers didnt account for the team benches and scorers table; so if you pulled out both sides, the teams and scorers would have to sit on the first row of the bleachers).   Unfortunately, Skibo is a landmark so they cant really touch it, unless the build an entire new facility (not likely).

Gesling Stadium is nice though, especially if you lived in West Wing for three years and could just turnover in bed and have a great view of the games on saturday afternoons (what was not so great was the band practicing every saturday morning at 10:00 am).

Anyway, in conclusion to my extremely random message, I hope CMU can pull out the win this weekend- it would be a big one for the program.  Keep representing BD, I will try to hit up the boards during basketball season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 14, 2006, 05:51:18 PM
Having played at CMU before, it's a great stadium. And if they got field turf installed there instead of the concrete that they called a field, Millsaps should feel at home.

Well except for the temperature. The field is windy, and the visitors bench is covered by shadow for most of the game. If any Majors players are reading, make sure to take enough clothes to stay warm. Especially those 2nd or 3rd string guys that only get in for a few plays. This is the playoffs and you can't have a bad play because you aren't warmed up properly. Also don't want those starters getting hurt.

That's my one (fairly inadequate) input into this game.

Hopefully the Majors offense can keep rolling and put some points on the board. It'd be great to see a SCAC team make some noise in the playoffs. TU's run a few years back was great, but since the SCAC hasn't gotten the respect it deserves because we fail in the playoffs. Go Majors. Run it up and make the season last another week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 14, 2006, 05:59:12 PM
Haha, run it up huh?  We'll see what happens.  When you played there, the crowd probably was non-existant.  Not the case this year.  I expect a huge turnout this weekend giving the Tartans a 12th man.  Not to mention how rowdy the band gets.  They can heckle the crap out of teams sometimes.

Although it would be great for the SCAC to win a playoff game, it would be even better for CMU to win one for the UAA.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2006, 10:26:50 AM
SCAC fans (and especially Major Maniacs) will want to check out this week's South Region ATR.    Good job, Chris!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 15, 2006, 12:22:30 PM
yes, a very nice piece Chris, Millsaps even made the front page, nice photo Frank!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2006, 12:32:07 PM
Second time Millsaps has been on the front page in the past eight days. Anyone see the previous one?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 15, 2006, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2006, 12:32:07 PM
Second time Millsaps has been on the front page in the past eight days. Anyone see the previous one?

I don't remember a picture Pat, I do know they were in the text of the front page, the exposure is nice!

On another note . . . What is everyone else thinking about the game in Pittsburgh this weekend?  I am curious to here from the other usual posters to the SCAC board . . . Bedtime, Ralph, History, Josh, etc., what do you think about the spread vs. the wing t game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2006, 12:50:24 PM
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2006/11/06/Statistical+spotlight
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 15, 2006, 01:06:23 PM
Thanks for the compliment exmajor and thanks Pat for using the photo of Chris Jackson and the earlier photo of Ronnie Wheat (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php Go to the bottom of the page).  One of the points of the photos is to help bring some attention to Millsaps sports and Millsaps athletes so I'm glad they are getting used.

One of the intangibles about the Millsaps team this year is that they haven't played a super tough team on the road (no offense meant to Rhodes but to be honest, Rhodes has no offense).  Millsaps will have to play as well at CMU as they have played at home against Centre, DePauw, and Trinity.  I think they will rise up to that level and we'll see if that is enough against an undefeated home standing team.  It would help if Tyson is available and if Eric McCarty is closer to mid-season form, but you play with who you've got.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2006, 04:34:26 PM
From Chris Allman's ATR column:

SCAC Surprise of the Year: Austin College 4-6 overall, 2-4 SCAC (first year) 

Yeah, Baby !! ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 15, 2006, 04:36:02 PM
roocru, you are on a roll.  You must be living right!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 15, 2006, 05:46:03 PM
I expect a great game in the Burgh' this weekend.  Having seen all but one of CMU's games this year and listening to you guys here on the SCAC board I believe that this game may come down to special teams and turnovers.  If CMU keeps a wrap on Jackson in the return game and continues to win the turnover battle like they have all year then I think they win a close one.  On the other hand, if Jackson gets loose and Millsaps creates their share of turnovers then advantage Millsaps.  I think this game is too close to call straight up.  I am almost willing to bet that the team that makes the least amount of mistakes and limits big plays will come out on top.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 15, 2006, 06:09:13 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Chris Allman's ATR column)

Truer words have never been spoken (written). Trinity's SCAC Championship run definately has been broken, "however briefly".  If by "however briefly" Chris is predicting one year; then he is right-on. It can't be more brief and it won't be more lengthy. I know the Tigers will be waiting in San Antonio.

Who really knows?

                                                                             ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 15, 2006, 06:21:34 PM
Ex-Major et al,

CMU puts up over 270 yards on the ground per game.  The Tartans ran the ball 527 times this season!  Wow!

RUSHING OFFENSE       G    Att   Yds   Avg     TD  Yds/G
--------------------------------------------------------
1. Carnegie Mellon..... 10    527  2722   5.2  28  272.2

Millsaps holds opponents to 115.5 yards per game which is good for 2nd in the SCAC.

RUSHING DEFENSE    G  Rushes  Yards  Avg.  TD  Yds/G
----------------------------------------------------------
2. Millsaps College.... 10     357   1155   3.2  12  115.5


Millsaps puts up 260 yards per contest in the passing game.

PASS OFFENSE          G      Att  Cmp Int  Pct.  Yds     Avg TD Yds/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Millsaps College.... 10   374  225  12  60.2 2601  7.0 21 260.1

CMU allows 134 yards per game through the air.  CMU did not face a lot of passing this season from the looks of the statistics.

PASS DEFENSE             G   Att  Cmp Int  Pct.    Yds  Avg TD Yds/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
3. Carnegie Mellon..... 10   249  130  11  52.2 1341  5.4  9 134.1

CMU passes about 12 times a game.

PASS OFFENSE             G   Att  Cmp Int  Pct.  Yds  Avg TD Yds/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
4. Carnegie Mellon..... 10   115   67   3  58.3 1097  9.5 10 109.7




Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 15, 2006, 06:29:19 PM
BDTartan,
The game may very well be a good one, but CMU has not seen the type of offense that Millsaps will display on Saturday. I think that is a big advantage for the Majors considering that the Tartan pass defense has not been tested this year.  There is not a lot of passing that goes on by the teams on CMU's schedule. 

To be sure, Millsaps has not faced the type of wing-t offense that CMU runs.  However, Millsaps did face a Sewanee team that has fielded an option-based offense for years and had little problems shutting it down. 

Millsaps will give up some yards, but in past games the yards have accrued after the game is no longer in question.   Millsaps make plays on defense.  Better yet, Millsaps makes plays on offense....and special teams.

I believe this game will be very intriguing!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 15, 2006, 06:45:52 PM
consultant, let me say this:  Check out CMU's T.O.P.  Their opponents didn't have the ball a whole lot.  To be fair, you are correct, they didn't face any passing teams as good as Millsaps, but then again Millsaps hasn't faced a rushing team like CMU.  Also, I have seen this mistake more than once on these boards.  CMU's wing-T is not option based.  In fact, I haven't seen a wing-T at any level that's based on the option.  In theory you are correct, there are more running options in the wing-T, but the QB is not a running threat.  They'll take off, but mostly when pressured.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on November 15, 2006, 07:59:57 PM
All throw out a non-bias opinion:

A few interesting numbers, based on games thru 11/04/2006

CMU:

Millsaps:

If you throw out Millsaps first 3 games their defense is giving up 10.8 pts/gm to CMU's 8.2 pts/gm.

All this leads me to believe the game will be a battle between one team who wants to pass verses another who wants to run. There will be very few if any sacks and it will be a  relatively low scoring game. I see a 17-14 final. Which team wins? Depends on how well CMU can run on Millsaps. If CMU controls the ground game and clock, Millsaps will have to score when they get their chances and turnovers will be crucial. It should be a fun one to watch. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 15, 2006, 08:12:25 PM
Excellent points Llama, +1 for you.  CMU's rush offense actually moved up one spot to 3 after the Thiel game.  Regardless, you are right, this should be a good game to watch.  I know I'll be there.  Any Millsaps fans making the trip to the Burgh'??  I would hope some of you would come condisdering your playoff drought.  I expect a lot of CMU fans out at this game now that they've ended their drought.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2006, 08:24:45 PM
What type of team speed does CMU have?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on November 15, 2006, 08:33:18 PM
QuoteIf you throw out Millsaps first 3 games their defense is giving up 10.8 pts/gm to CMU's 8.2 pts/gm.

...if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Llamaguy on November 15, 2006, 08:47:03 PM
Quote from: HoosierQBScout on November 15, 2006, 08:33:18 PM
QuoteIf you throw out Millsaps first 3 games their defense is giving up 10.8 pts/gm to CMU's 8.2 pts/gm.

...if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.



LOL! +1K

I guess my point would actually be a question. Is the ASC top to bottom that much better than Millsaps or was it because it was their first 3 games since they have not given up more than 18 points in a game since?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on November 15, 2006, 08:51:33 PM
llamaguy---
sorry for the shot...should be a good game. i will say this, millsaps has some nice players...and an offense that can put up some numbers when it is humming...

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2006, 09:51:31 PM
Quote from: Llamaguy on November 15, 2006, 08:47:03 PM
Quote from: HoosierQBScout on November 15, 2006, 08:33:18 PM
QuoteIf you throw out Millsaps first 3 games their defense is giving up 10.8 pts/gm to CMU's 8.2 pts/gm.

...if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.

LOL! +1K

I guess my point would actually be a question. Is the ASC top to bottom that much better than Millsaps or was it because it was their first 3 games since they have not given up more than 18 points in a game since?

Llama, that is the real question.

McMurry beat Austin College (with a new coach in the second week).

Texas Lutheran beat Trinity (who had a sub as QB) in the second week and Austin College in the first week.

Millsaps lost to Mississipppi College badly in week#1, when Miss Coll lost their strating QB and to Louisana College in their second and LaCollege's first game.

Trinity beat East Texas Baptist badly in the first week.

The ASC was so balanced, that switch a Sul Ross State win over McMurry to a loss, and have Texas Lutheran miss that last second FG vs. LaCollege and HSU beat LaCollege in the game that was canceled by lightning, and you have a 7-way tie for 3rd place! :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 15, 2006, 10:19:24 PM
I don't really know how to answer the team speed question for CMU.  I wouldn't say they've got any burners, but on defense they pursue well as a team and on offense Gimson would be your breaker as he averages about 7.5 yds a carry.  They've just played well as a team this year.  That's about the best way to put it.  You've got a fullback who's accomplished all kinds of individual things this season and he doesn't even care.  He's made statements where he says all of those things don't matter, he's just happy their having a great season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 16, 2006, 01:14:30 AM
BDTartan et al,

I appreciate everyone's comments.  It's nice to get a breakdown from the CMU side and from objective parties, too. 

Regarding the CMU offense, I certainly did not mean to imply that CMU's wing-t attack is option-based.  I know that the wing-t is a misdirection type of offense, but Millsaps has fared well against an offense that is on par with CMU's offense in that Sewanee's offense is similarly unconventional.

Regarding the prolific running that the Tartans will display, I would think that Millsaps will be looking for a lot of Travis Sivek between the tackles on Saturday.  That seems to be the way CMU makes it happen.  Also, I would argue that Millsaps has faced a team this year that is more apt to run than pass.  Austin College ran the ball 492 times this season (CMU ran it 527).  Austin averaged 206 yards per game on the ground.  CMU averaged 272.   Millsaps held Austin to 186 yards on the ground in their 26-11 win over the Colonels.  Statistically, CMU is better than Austin in the running game, but Millsaps has seen the ground attack as a primary offensive strategy before.  But, of course, Austin did not run the wing-t.

I was two clicks of my mouse away from being on my way to Pittsburgh.  My flight plan from the west coast was going to be pretty terrible, so I have opted for the internet broadcast.  I understand that Millsaps will be sending a nice contingent to the game. 

The weather looks rather gloomy on Saturday in Pittsburgh.....high of 45 with a 40% chance of rain during the day with winds up to 13 mph.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 16, 2006, 10:11:30 AM
Quote from: consultant on November 16, 2006, 01:14:30 AM


Millsaps held Austin to 186 yards on the ground in their 26-11 win over the Colonels. 

I was two clicks of my mouse away from being on my way to Pittsburgh.  My flight plan from the west coast was going to be pretty terrible, so I have opted for the internet broadcast.  I understand that Millsaps will be sending a nice contingent to the game. 


Just to be fair to Austin College and Centre for that matter, Austin College is the 'Roos as in Kangaroos and Centre is the Colonels  ;D

BD, Consultant etc.,

I believe that the Millsaps student body association has rented buses to haul students up to the game if interested.  Something like a 15 hour bus ride, but I am sure some kids will make it up there for the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 16, 2006, 10:23:29 AM
Ex-Major,
I got a little carried away there....my aoplogies to Austin College for calling the Roos the Colonels. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 16, 2006, 01:13:11 PM

Where is everyone from Carnegie Mellon?  I couldn't find a UAA page.  Are they too smart to pay attention to football?  Man, I wish I were.  Then maybe I wouldn't have driven 400 miles in one day to watch my team get steamrolled by Millsaps last weekend. 

I really hope Millsaps wins.  That way no one will be tricked into thinking the wing-t is good for college football.  I'm also a fan of the school and the conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 16, 2006, 01:24:35 PM
TU,

the UAA page is in the North Region.  You can find a poster named BD somewhere around there or in the PAC page recently.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on November 16, 2006, 01:39:01 PM
To 3619:
  Read your post of frustration on the Bell board.  Game is over, so I will bring this to the normal board.
  You never agree with me on the situation at DePauw, thats O.K.  I can read into your posts and I am 99% sure that you are the extended mouthpiece of the current Head FB/BB coach.
  Think about this before you get burred up:
    1.  The Hanover and Trinity coaches were just instituting leverage measures when they were toying with the DePauw Job.  These candidates simply wanted more from their current Schools than they were getting.
    2.  How you would find out information on T. Rogers being an admin. hire leads me to speculate you are attending information sessions with the current HC, maybe Asst. HC, and/or the SID.
    3.  You must know that someone on DPU's athletic staff turned an unapproved/illegally obtained e-mail into the administration from TR's computer, leading to his dismissal.  Who do you think would have pulled something off like that (surely in the plan with the vice president/possibly with the AD)?
    4.  Be careful with those current coaches you so fondly support.  They may not be the upstanding pillars of society you believe them to be.  Would not want you to get lumped in with a devient because you did not have enough infromation.
    5.  If Coach Rogers would have gotten the support he was promised when he took the job at DePauw, they would have been the Millsaps of the 2006 Season.  He needed to make changes within the staff to improve the program, and was met with a ton of backlash from the current people still involved with the program and administration.

  I understand your dis-satisfactions with DPU and the Football program.  The reason it remains this way is because of the people still there and the dismissal of Coach Rogers and HIS coaches.  Now with what you know, do you understand that when a new HC is hired - he must be extended the opportunity to bring his people in and not retain current Asst. coaches?  Those current assistants are the ones who cost Rogers his JOB, and they should have never been in position to do so!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 16, 2006, 01:51:24 PM
Just one person's opinion but please feel free to continue the discussion on the Bell board.  Or better yet, could someone just start a board for "DePauw Coaches--Pros and Cons" and all the rest of us could get away from this hashing and rehashing of the DePauw coaching situation.  I mean really, isn't it about time to give this all a rest?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 16, 2006, 02:07:03 PM
Back to the playoff game discussion, here is a link to the CMU football site preview for the game on Saturday, on the page there are also a couple of pdf documents that show game notes and depth chart.  A nice job by the CMU athletic department of putting this together!

http://www.cmu.edu/athletic/football/headlines/2006/millsapspreview.htm

By the way the game will be broadcast by the ESPN affiliate in Jackson as has been the same for all Millsaps games this year.  If you have not heard the guys doing the games yet, I would suggest listening for a little while, it is entertaining!

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/111506story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 16, 2006, 03:23:48 PM
exmajor--Based on the comments regarding the Trinity game broadcast, I think some might want to change your last words from "it is entertaining" to "it is overbearing". 

I listened to the broadcast for the Austin and Sewanee games and the broadcaster are definitely pulling for the Majors, they are tight with the players and the coaches, and they might be a little bias in their opinion of the officials.  Naturally that doesn't bother me at all but I can see where it would grate on the nerves of others.  By the way, the broadcast starts 45 minutes prior to kickoff (that would be 10:15 Central time) with interviews of Coach DuBose, some of the players and assistant coaches, etc.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 16, 2006, 03:37:56 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 16, 2006, 03:23:48 PM
exmajor--Based on the comments regarding the Trinity game broadcast, I think some might want to change your last words from "it is entertaining" to "it is overbearing". 

True Frank, but like you I am not bothered by it, I do not see alot of difference between that and the home broadcast for any DI school, try listening to a Texas A&M game in College Station, maybe I am missing something?  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2006, 04:00:01 PM
Overbearing is the right word.

I would say something about D-I and NFL broadcasters -- in most cases those games are also on the television and you have an alternative to homerness.

Now, I've heard a LOT of homer D-III broadcasts, but I've also heard some truly professional ones. I'll take a Mount Union, a St. John's, an Occidental, a Delaware Valley, a Wittenberg, a St. John Fisher far over the stuff I heard on the Millsaps game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 16, 2006, 04:31:36 PM
Pat, I have a feeling that you heard them at their worst "homerness" given the situation of being the underdog and then jumping out to such a stunning lead so quickly.  I didn't hear the game, but it wouldn't surprise me if they got caught up in the moment and it was a huge moment for Millsaps and the football program.

I'm just glad that there will be a broadcast of the game for the non-Pittsburgh bound fans and I hope that a lot of Millsaps fans and SCAC fans will tune into the game.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 16, 2006, 07:23:40 PM
TU2698 - What's wrong with the Wing-T at this level of college football??  I agree it wouldn't be as successful at the D1 level, but all the military academies run similar "misdirection" offenses.  If CMU wins, they won't trick anyone into thinking the Wing-T is the best thing since sliced bread.  All they will do is prove that it is good for them.  I am sure they recruit specifically for that offense.  Besides, if a team has the skills players and quick linemen the Wing-T can be a pretty potent offense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2006, 07:44:05 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on November 16, 2006, 07:23:40 PM
TU2698 - What's wrong with the Wing-T at this level of college football??  I agree it wouldn't be as successful at the D1 level, but all the military academies run similar "misdirection" offenses.  If CMU wins, they won't trick anyone into thinking the Wing-T is the best thing since sliced bread.  All they will do is prove that it is good for them.  I am sure they recruit specifically for that offense.  Besides, if a team has the skills players and quick linemen the Wing-T can be a pretty potent offense.

BD, I think that the service academies run the mis-direction offenses because they get CMU calibre student-athletes! ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 16, 2006, 08:08:46 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on November 16, 2006, 01:39:01 PM
Think about this before you get burred up:
    1.  The Hanover and Trinity coaches were just instituting leverage measures when they were toying with the DePauw Job.  These candidates simply wanted more from their current Schools than they were getting.
    2.  How you would find out information on T. Rogers being an admin. hire leads me to speculate you are attending information sessions with the current HC, maybe Asst. HC, and/or the SID.
    3.  You must know that someone on DPU's athletic staff turned an unapproved/illegally obtained e-mail into the administration from TR's computer, leading to his dismissal.  Who do you think would have pulled something off like that (surely in the plan with the vice president/possibly with the AD)?
    4.  Be careful with those current coaches you so fondly support.  They may not be the upstanding pillars of society you believe them to be.  Would not want you to get lumped in with a devient because you did not have enough infromation.
    5.  If Coach Rogers would have gotten the support he was promised when he took the job at DePauw, they would have been the Millsaps of the 2006 Season.  He needed to make changes within the staff to improve the program, and was met with a ton of backlash from the current people still involved with the program and administration.

Let's see what we have here.

1.  I'll believe that about Coach Mohr.  I thought Coach Perry might have been a DPU alum?  There's some connection that I can't recall at the current moment.  Even if he was an alum, you may still be right on that account as well.  Not sure how'd you have that information, but I take your word for it.

2.  All three of those are actually incorrect guesses.  I know all of them quite well and am friends with them, but none of them are who I got my info on his hire from.  That info gets around a bit more than you might think.

3.  I heard that rumor.  I think that for me, it's a rumor until I see that proved in a court of law.  It's a damned shame if it's true and I'll be one angry alum who won't ever give a penny to DePauw if that happened as you say.  Coach Rogers didn't tell me the story as I'm sure he's given it to you.  I don't even know his entire side of the story.  For that reason, I'll continue to fly in holding pattern.  However, what you've said would not surprise with Jimmie Lincoln and Co, though.

4.  Thanks for the heads up.  I don't really have much connection to the program anymore, but nonetheless, I'll keep my eyes open for any potential lumping.  Suppose I've been called a lot of worse things than a deviant.  Probably even been called a deviant a time or two.  Probably won't take a lot to convince you of that, eh?

5.  If anybody around here would know about the promise the 2006 squad supposedly had, I suppose it would probably be you.  And Coach V, I reckon.

You know, all Rogers/Walker bias aside here, the thing that was really upsetting me over there was that those guys were holding the two sport thing against Walk.  When I talked to him on Saturday, he said he'd be on the recruiting trail by now.  He'll be there for quite some time.  When he's done,  he still has an office.  He goes there.  Recruits can come there.  Being the baseball coach doesn't mean you're hitting fungos for 18 hours a day.  (However, that may be a good idea for the Wabash baseball program).  They've got that kid that Will Caroll taught to throw the gyro and they're still no good.  Alas, I digress.

Kinda felt like I wasn't making any progess, so I gave up.  I, like you, figured I was probably done over there.  We'll get that cranked up again in about 350 days.

That mouthpiece comment was kinda low.  Ouch, duder.  Perhaps there's some bitnerness here.  I think he's a good football coach and a nice guy.  Not much more there than that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 16, 2006, 08:53:11 PM
haha Ralph.  What are you saying?  That you have to be smart to run the Wing-T?  I know its complicated, but alot of high school teams run it in my area and are successful with it.  Believe me, not even half the kids around my area are smart enough to go to CMU or the military academies.  I'm not knocking my area, or even you, I just think that people have a certain opinion about the Wing-T at any level above high school because its an outdated offense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on November 16, 2006, 10:08:31 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 16, 2006, 03:37:56 PMtry listening to a Texas A&M game in College Station,

Dave South is brutal to listen to. I listened to part of the Oklahoma/A&M game in my car and boy is it tough to stomach.

On the other hand, he does have his own drinking game:

tamu-and-baseball.com/pdf/davesouth.pdf (http://tamu-and-baseball.com/pdf/davesouth.pdf)

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on November 16, 2006, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on November 16, 2006, 08:53:11 PM
haha Ralph.  What are you saying?  That you have to be smart to run the Wing-T?  I know its complicated, but alot of high school teams run it in my area and are successful with it.  Believe me, not even half the kids around my area are smart enough to go to CMU or the military academies.  I'm not knocking my area, or even you, I just think that people have a certain opinion about the Wing-T at any level above high school because its an outdated offense.

The Wing T, when run right, is one tough offense to stop.  This is probably because the attitude of the Wing T is to pound and pound and pound, and then when you have worn the other team down, pound some more.  The speed present at the D1 level kind of takes away from its effectiveness, but on the D3 level it can definitely be a killer.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 17, 2006, 08:24:35 AM
I love listening to Dave South.  He is the biggest homer ever, but he always makes me laugh.  Remember, he was ejected from a Big 12 or SWC basketball tournament for giving the ref the choke sign. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 09:02:37 AM
Quote from: tTU719803 on November 16, 2006, 11:31:42 PM
Quote from: BDTartan on November 16, 2006, 08:53:11 PM
haha Ralph.  What are you saying?  That you have to be smart to run the Wing-T?  I know its complicated, but alot of high school teams run it in my area and are successful with it.  Believe me, not even half the kids around my area are smart enough to go to CMU or the military academies.  I'm not knocking my area, or even you, I just think that people have a certain opinion about the Wing-T at any level above high school because its an outdated offense.

The Wing T, when run right, is one tough offense to stop.  This is probably because the attitude of the Wing T is to pound and pound and pound, and then when you have worn the other team down, pound some more.  The speed present at the D1 level kind of takes away from its effectiveness, but on the D3 level it can definitely be a killer.

Thanks tTU, I wasn't dissing the calibre of the service acadeies (Former service US Army 1974-86) or CMU athletes.  I think that those are the ideal places to run those systems.  We see D1 coaches at Miami FL or Florida International using other offenses. ;)

The Wing-T is a great offense for athletes of a certain skill set, and intelligence and discipline to execute precisely are what the Wing-T needs.

That was the reason for my team speed question.  I think that Millsaps must break the game open with their speed on the Field-turf.  If they cannot do that, then I think that the CMU size and strength and Pittsburgh cold is the difference.

Still, I will maintain my prediciton of Millsaps to edge CMU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 17, 2006, 09:59:41 AM

The wing-t keeps getting updated with time, so outdated isn't the issue.   This has been argued ad nauseum on the NCAC site, where one coach has inexplicably been forcing the wing-t for 15 years.  I have a bias because I played there before finishing up at Trinity.  Now, I'm just sorry I brought it up. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 17, 2006, 11:07:05 AM
FYI, here is a link to the Jackson Clarion Ledger write up on the game this weekend.  You have to scroll towards the middle of article to read about Millsaps and CMU . . . It is not much, but this is about as much attention Millsaps receives in the local paper.  A couple of wins in the playoffs may increase the exposure some  ;)

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061116/SPORTS030105/611160371/1085/SPORTS

The most interesting discussion is on the status of Tyson Roy . . . "A good possibility he plays" according to Dubose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2006, 11:12:06 AM
Quote from: exmajor on November 17, 2006, 11:07:05 AM
FYI, here is a link to the Jackson Clarion Ledger write up on the game this weekend.  You have to scroll towards the middle of article to read about Millsaps and CMU . . . It is not much, but this is about as much attention Millsaps receives in the local paper.  A couple of wins in the playoffs may increase the exposure some  ;)

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061116/SPORTS030105/611160371/1085/SPORTS

The most interesting discussion is on the status of Tyson Roy . . . "A good possibility he plays" according to Dubose.

A couple of wins in the playoffs may increase the exposure some  ;),

but for that week only and then back to the agate type-font section. :-\

That is why I repeatedly say that D3football.com is the new media directed at D3 fans.

Thanks for the hyperlink tho'.  (+1)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2006, 12:47:38 PM
I see that the Pittsburgh weather now shows just a 10% chance of rain for Saturday.  I think no rain would favor the team that relies the most on passing so that's a small bit of good news for Millsaps.  The bad news is the 43 degree high and an even lower wind chill.  That's obviously weather that we haven't had in Jackson but it was fairly cold last Saturday so it won't be too much of an adjustment.

I also think the Millsaps team practiced this morning before leaving for the airport and that would have been weather in the upper 30's or lower 40's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 17, 2006, 01:48:15 PM
Frank,
I agree with you about the weather.  No rain will be good news for the Majors.  And the cold will be a factor only if the kids make it one.  I guarantee that Coach DuBose won't be complaining about the weather, and I would assume that the kids will follow suit. 

On the way to work this morning, I listened to the Ronnie Lott show on KNBR, which is the flagship radio station for the San Francisco 49ers.  Ronnie was talking about Jerry Rice, who will be honored with the retirement of his jersey at halftime of this Sunday's 49ers game.  Ronnie said that no matter what the elements of a game (weather, crowd, opposing team, regular season game, playoff game, super bowl) when Jerry Rice put on a uniform, his focus was on winning and that was the only thing that concerned him.  Everything else was a distraction, and Jerry apparently demanded that everyone else do the same thing.  He refused to allow teammates or coaches to say anything that did not have something to do with winning the football game.     

I thought that would be a very motivating statement for all 32 teams in the D-III football playoff field.  At this point, distractions get you sent home.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 17, 2006, 04:13:47 PM
I just talked to a Millsaps representative traveling with the Millsaps football team.  The Majors have arrived in Pittsburgh and are at the team hotel.  The charter flight was a direct flight from Jackson to Pittsburgh. 

It is my understanding that game week preparation has been very good for Millsaps.  The Majors have no significant injuries to report.  Tyson Roy's status is still probable for tomorrow's game. 

At least one bus carrying the cheerleaders, some students, and parents are on their way to Pittsburgh, too.  Many more Millsaps faithful will be arriving via air. 

No word on whether the guys will attempt to eat a Primanti Bros. sandwich. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2006, 04:32:16 PM
Good luck to both teams tomorrow (even if my allegiance is to the SCAC representative).  I will unfortunately be unable to attend or listen to any games due to a sudden summons to San Antonio ... here's to a good game where the outcome is decided on the field by the players and there are no injuries. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 17, 2006, 05:16:27 PM
Good luck to Coach DuBose and the boys tomorrow.  I'll be pulling for 'em.  I'll be in Milwaukee for the call of North Central/Concordia.  Wish I was in Pittsburgh instead, however.

Geaux Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 17, 2006, 06:56:12 PM
Don't know exactly where this came from but my parents heard that there are no tickets left for the CMU/Millsaps game.  I think thats absurd, but I don't know for sure until I talk to someone at CMU about it.  So if that's the case, there will be alot of P.O.'d Millsaps folks flying up to Pittsburgh.  Like I said, it sounds absurd to me but I can't validate it either way yet.  I would think that all ticket sales are at the gate, but I could be wrong.

Go Tartans!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMURyan on November 17, 2006, 09:13:41 PM
I'm working at the game and I can tell you that ticket sales are at the gate.  There will be plenty of standing room only on the visitors side, so you shouldn't worry. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2006, 12:45:37 AM
If I didn't know better, I'd say BD was trying to suppress fan turnout. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WRCTChuck on November 18, 2006, 03:59:12 AM
It is official. The game will be broadcast live on WRCT 88.3 Fm in  Pittsburgh and on www.wrct.org via the internet.

Hope you all enjoy the broadcast

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2006, 07:40:38 AM
Quote from: WRCTChuck on November 18, 2006, 03:59:12 AM
It is official. The game will be broadcast live on WRCT 88.3 Fm in  Pittsburgh and on www.wrct.org via the internet.

Hope you all enjoy the broadcast

K-Mack and Ryan Briggs are also doing a broadcast for d3football.com/ncaasports.com.  Look here (http://www.d3football.com/audio.php) for details.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: CMURyan on November 18, 2006, 09:45:42 AM
Already posted this on the UAA page, but I'll post it here as well:

I just finished setting up the field with the baseball team.  Field looks great and it's a beautiful day ~45 degrees.  Weather shouldn't be a factor.  Coaches tell me that Mike DuBose was impressed with the field and thinks the campus is nice.  Welcome KMack and let's go Tartans!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 18, 2006, 01:51:16 PM
CMU appears to be the better football team today.  CMU up 14-0 over the Majors after 3 quarters of play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 18, 2006, 02:19:47 PM
Many congratulations to Carnegie Mellon!  Best of luck next week!  Millsaps never got it going offensively thanks to 4 turnovers (maybe 5 depending on how the last Millsaps' fumble was ruled...not sure whether it was recovered by CMU or whether it was recovered by Millsaps and turned over on downs.) 

Good defense and solid offense by CMU. 

Congratulations to Millsaps for an amazing season!  There is a bright future in store for the Majors!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 18, 2006, 02:47:21 PM
Carnegie Mellon 21, Millsaps 0

Game Box:
http://www.scac-online.org/football/MCNCAA1.HTM (http://www.scac-online.org/football/MCNCAA1.HTM)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2006, 11:31:27 PM
Congrats to CMU and its fans!  Good luck against Wesley next week!

And congrats to the Majors!  Looking forward to another exciting year in the SCAC in '07!  Do come and play again, Coach DuBose!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2006, 11:54:45 PM
Oops ...   :-[

Who wins?\

Undefeated Carnegie-Mellon "runs" away with it -5 (18.5%)
Millsaps "picks" up where they left off last week -20 (74.1%)
Too close to call -1 (3.7%)
The weather forecasters   -1 (3.7%)
   
Total Voters: 27
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 20, 2006, 07:20:20 AM
CMU turned the table on Millsaps and won the turnover stat for a convincing win Saturday.  Millsaps had done the same to several SCAC opponents over the course of the season.  Those who listened to the game know that Millsaps stopped the CMU running game early on and then CMU either made adjustments or the Millsaps defense wore down.  My guess is a little of both.  The turnovers by Millsaps certainly kept the Millsaps defense on the field too much as CMU led in time of possession by about 2 to 1.

With this game over, it is easier to be a little more realistic about the last part of the season.  The offense was not the same in the last 4 games of the season.  They looked great against DePauw with lots of yardage, long drives, and everything seemed to be clicking.  At Sewanee the offense put up the yards and the points (4 TDs by offense, 1 TD by defense) but it was a  big play offense with no long drives that resulted in points.  Millsaps got up 28-0 in the first quarter and sputtered home for a 35-18 win. 

At Rhodes it was 1 TD by the offense in a 5 play drive made up primarily of 1 long pass and the other TD was scored by the defense.  Against Trinity Millsaps scored 5 TDs.  Two came on punt returns by the special teams, one was a long interception return, one was a one play drive set up by an interception, and one was a solid 10-play scoring drive.  And finally, there was no scoring against CMU.

Obviously the injuries to Tyson Roy and Nick Namias made a difference.  I also wonder if the team didn't just wear down some at the end because of some lack of depth.  Coach DuBose talked before and after the CMU game about Millsaps needing to build a football program that is good year after year like the baseball team.  A program like that creates depth and I think that was lacking this year, something that started showing up as the season wore on.

But, far from being negative about the last game, it was obviously a great season for the Millsaps team and they laid a strong foundation for building a football program.  They were helped this season by having their key conference games at home and they'll have to prove that they can win those same games on the road next year if they want to retain their crown.  They'll need to be a better team next year if they want to repeat and they seem like the type of guys who will rise up to that challenge.  It was a great season, a lot of fun to be around the program, and now it is on to basketball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BDTartan on November 20, 2006, 08:42:39 AM
From my point of view at the game and being a CMU fan I thought Millsaps gave a great effort and played like they deserved to be there.  0-0 at halftime.  I thought we were in store for a thriller.  Which brings us back to Frank's point about depth at Millsaps.  They had excellent skills players who gave our skills players all they wanted, but I started to notice during the 3rd quarter that the line play is what would turn the tide.  CMU rotates a fair amount on both lines and I saw both of Millsaps lines with their hands on their hips about midway through the 3rd quarter.  That's when I knew if CMU's D could hold off the pass attack then the run game would eventually break Millsaps D line down.

Frank, there was little or no adjustments as far as what plays CMU ran, but perhaps they changed up a few blocking schemes.  Also, CMU's RB's just seemed to get stronger as the game went on.  That may be a case of Millsaps D being on the field for the better half of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2006, 09:10:02 AM
+1 BD, cogent observation.

I thought that Millsaps would have the skill people and team speed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 20, 2006, 11:13:50 AM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.scac-online.org%2Fpictures%2Fscaclogo4.jpg&hash=b92beaf05ffa271344aafdae63713685a3596855)
SUWANEE, Ga. – The 2006 Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference football season will go down in history as the year that Millsaps College stepped up and ended one the more remarkable streaks in all of Division III.

In a battle of undefeated conference teams, Millsaps defeated Trinity University, 34-12, in the regular season finale for both teams to claim its first outright league title since 1991 and snap the Tigers' 13-year string of SCAC football championships.

That achievement did not go unrewarded as, in exclusive voting by the head coaches of the SCAC, Juan Joseph of Millsaps was selected the league's Offensive Player-of-the-Year and his teammate Chris Jackson was named the Special Teams Player-of-the-Year. Millsaps' head coach Mike Dubose was voted the league's Coach-of-the-Year.

In the same balloting, Dustin Hertel of DePauw University was voted the Defensive Player-of-the-Year.

For the complete release:
http://www.scac-online.org (http://www.scac-online.org)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 20, 2006, 11:30:08 AM
I'll add my congrats to the Majors for a fine season.  It has been exciting to watch and I am already looking forward to next season.  Also, congrats to the guys on the all-scac teams, a big accomplishment!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 20, 2006, 11:32:37 AM
Congrats to Millsaps on the All-SCAC awards. They deserve them.

Any big controversies in the voting? I can't really see any, especially in the big 4 awards. I think they turned out just the way most people expected.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 22, 2006, 10:31:06 AM

Now that the SCAC junkies can look to next year, there's no time like the present to make a prediction:

I predict that one year from today, the South's number one seed will be steam rolling toward a showdown with Mt. Union, with all of Sherman Texas in its wake.  That's right, boys.  Austin College is the new challenger.  Here are a few reasons why:

1.  Look out, Juan Joseph.  Kent Bell is due for a breakout season.  I've never seen a quarterback with more sticktoitiveness or escapability.  Zaq Momot averaged more than 20 yards per catch last season.  'Nuf said.

2.  With the conference trying to figure out a way to stop Ryan Cowley, I think Ross Hasten has the speed to become the dark kangaroo in the conference.  He also has a motor that never shuts off, even if he's carrying a joey in his pouch (metaphor for ball).

3.  Scooter Means is as good a linebacker as there is among those without scholarships.  With Rob Schroeder pushing him for playing time, you know that Scooter's going to have to be at the top of his game all year. 

4.  The little things.  The kangaroos only allowed one fumble to returned against them for a touchdown last year and allowed less than 17 yards per game on punt returns. 

5.  Home field.  Anyone who's taken a bite out of Apple Field knows what I'm talking about.  Just imagine if they had any fans how loud and intmidating it will be.  I would automatically give them five wins. 

After going out on such a positive against Centre, I don't see how anything can stop their momentum.  It scares me to think about how good they can be.  If they can get over the hump in Danville this year, I think they could win out.  Next year is the time, and Sherman is the place.



3. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 22, 2006, 11:12:43 AM
WHAT?  :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 22, 2006, 11:26:37 AM
I am a little perplexed too Bill, a Trinity guy saying that is strange?  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 22, 2006, 11:37:43 AM
My secret plan is working !!!   ;D ;D ;D  The first of many converts !!! ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2006, 11:51:12 AM
I think TU had a little too much time on his hands this morning.  Maybe his work place is like mine, dead as can be while everyone looks forward to a long, long weekend.

While it is a little early for predictions, I will predict that Millsaps will be a better team next season and they will need to be better if they expect to repeat as champions.  This year they played well but they also had two advantages that they won't have next season--they played their key SCAC games at home and people might have underestimated them because of the results from previous seasons.

Millsaps will be better for a variety of reasons:
--First, they return most of their players.  There were some key players in the senior class and some others will transfer or choose not to play, but they will bring back a lot of talent and experience.  
--Second, they will have a year under their belt with the offensive and defensive schemes.  I hope we don't have to go through several games of defensive breakdowns to prepare from the SCAC and I think Juan Joseph will be a much better quarterback after this year of experience.  Keep in mind that he only started the last two games of the 2005 season when he was a freshman.
--Third, I expect an outstanding class of new players.  I was told that they had 20-25 recruits visiting on the weekend of the Trinity game and in the past they never had more than about 5 recruits at a game.  It is certainly easier to recruit when you are a program on the rise.

That's not to say that they are a lock to win the SCAC next year.  I'm sure the top teams in the league will use the Millsaps success as motivation and the lower teams in the league will use the Millsaps success as inspiration.  The results of this season should help raise the quality of play from all of the SCAC teams in the 2007 season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2006, 12:32:08 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on November 22, 2006, 10:31:06 AM
I predict that one year from today, the South's number one seed will be steam rolling toward a showdown with Mt. Union, with all of Sherman Texas in its wake.  That's right, boys.  Austin College is the new challenger.

Wow, 2698, a little early to be hitting the Wild Turkey.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 22, 2006, 02:31:28 PM

Oh no.  I don't drink at work before lunch. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 22, 2006, 04:00:37 PM
I'll have a double of whatever you're drinking, TU2698
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 22, 2006, 05:59:07 PM
Guys, I just checked my calendar and April 1 is several months away.  I don't understand it.
???

Happy Thanksgiving, All!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 22, 2006, 06:33:31 PM
Is he drinking the egg nog already?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 23, 2006, 02:03:54 PM
Dustin Allen from TU has been invited to the Aztec Bowl....  congrats!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 23, 2006, 06:17:58 PM
Hey guys, what's up with all the disrespect to TU2698.  He is, after all, just stating the obvious !! ;) :D

Millsaps broke the iron claw of Trinity this year.  Who's to say it can't be AC next year?  :)  While I am not sure that their road will end in Alliance,  :o I also think they can be a factor in the SCAC next year.  I think I'll remember these page numbers for next year just in case!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on November 24, 2006, 04:11:59 PM
Just for perspective, I attended the TU-Millsaps game in 2002 in Jackson.  I saw 20-30 potential Millsaps recruits watching the game on the Millsaps sidelines so I don't think this year was particularly different regarding numbers.  But the 2002 game featured Roy Hampton and Jerheme Urban playing pitch and catch as TU delivered a 38-6 shellacking on their way to the Stagg Bowl.  This year Millsaps benefits from soundly thumping the Tigers.  Should definitely help recruiting for Millsaps.

Look forward to a serious TU-Millsaps rivalry in the years ahead!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on November 24, 2006, 11:15:20 PM
First time to post on this board.  Millsaps had a great season and I would like to thank Coach DuBose for a season to remember.  I have never seen a Millsaps game with the kind of atmosphere it had against Trinity.  It was absolutely perfect. 

As far as the playoff game goes.  It was a tough loss.  I think we learned the disadvantage of having the kind of offense we do.  The quick-strike offense is great if you are moving the ball, but if things aren't clicking....the defense is left out to dry.  That is what happened, if you look at the box score, I have never heard of a team holding onto the ball for 40 minutes in a game.  I know CMU deserves credit but its hard to stop anyone when you have a two minute break before having to get back on the field. 

Next year, we'll have to get it done on the road. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 27, 2006, 12:23:45 AM
Congratulations to the following players !!

Football 'Roos Earn SCAC-Honors

SHERMAN – The Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference has released its football All-Conference teams, and seven Austin College student-athletes have been recognized for their play this season.

Seniors Thomas Derricks and Clint Rushing have been named First Team All-SCAC, sophomore Scooter Means has been named Second Team All-SCAC, and seniors Austin Coachman, Jared Baker, junior Eric Shon, and sophomore Matt Orr have been named Honorable Mention All-SCAC.

Derricks, a defensive lineman from Richardson, finished second on the team and in the conference with 89 tackles, including 7.5 tackles-for-loss and four sacks.  Derricks also broke up four passes and had one forced fumble and fumble recovery.

Rushing, a punter from Spring, punted 44 times for 1,809 yards, an average of 41.1 yards-per-punt.  Rushing had a long punt of 67 yards and had 14 punts inside the 20 yard line.

Means, a linebacker from Denison, led the SCAC with 90 tackles including three tackles-for-loss.  Means also had three interceptions and broke up two passes this season.

Cowley, a running back from Pottsboro, was among the conference leaders several offensive categories, finishing the season with 809 rushing yards and 12 touchdowns with an average of 5.7 yards-per-carry.  Cowley also had a kickoff return average of 20.1 yards, and averaged 127.2 all-purpose yards this year.

Coachman, a defensive back from Frisco, finished tied for third on the team with 54 tackles, including 22 solo tackles and 2.5 tackles-for-loss.  Coachman also picked off two passes and broke up six.

Baker, a defensive lineman from Gilmer, had 45 tackles and a team-best 5.5 sacks this season, and finished with 12 tackles-for-loss.

Shon, a wide receiver and punt returner from Coppell, led the 'Roos with 18 receptions for 218 yards, an average of 12.1 yards-per-catch.  Shon also finished second in the conference in punt return average, returning 23 punts for 249 yards, an average of 10.8 yards-per-return.

Orr, an offensive lineman from North Richland Hills, was a key part of a line that allowed the 'Roos ground game to average 206.8 yards-per-game.  The 'Roos were the top rushing team in the SCAC, averaging more than 45 yards-per-game more than the next best team.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 27, 2006, 07:30:34 AM
I think AC has the potential to be a scac power.  Years of playing HSU & UMHB have toughened them up. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 27, 2006, 07:58:48 AM
How many players do Trinity and Milsaps lose?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 27, 2006, 08:44:42 AM
Millsaps seniors on the 2006 team:

Joey Doxey
Chris Jackson
Kirk Jackson
Ben Robichaux
Jeep Darnell
Conell Phillips
Michael Gleason
Josh Hanna

Out of that group, Conell was first team SCAC at center and Chris Jackson was the SCAC Special Team POY and a leading receiver.  Josh Hanna, Joey Doxey and Kirk Jackson all saw a fair amount of playing time, and Robichaux, Darnell, and Gleason didn't see a lot of playing time this year.

I'm sure there will be others who don't return but I expect the retention rate of key players will be higher than it was after the 2-7 season in 2005.  All in all, Millsaps should have a very strong returning group with a very strong senior class next season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 27, 2006, 09:10:36 AM
frank, it sounds like they are set for another good season.  Recruiting should benefit from their success this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on November 27, 2006, 06:26:05 PM
I think had Trinity won the SCAC they would have progressed further in the playoffs than Millsaps.  Millsaps crushed them in Jackson, no doubt.  But emotion, and an unprecedented home field reaction (as mentioned in previous Millsaps supporter posts), played a huge role.  This is a lesson not lost on the players returning to TU next year.  I'm confident TU will recover next year.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2006, 06:41:39 PM
If memory serves Trinity loses a lot of their D to graduation.  Offense should be in decent shape with most of the skill positions and line returning. 

BTW there is apparently some very mature person out there getting his jollies by dinking my karma every 24 hours.  WTG d00d. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 28, 2006, 12:28:34 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger (BfB) on November 27, 2006, 06:41:39 PM
BTW there is apparently some very mature person out there getting his jollies by dinking my karma every 24 hours.  WTG d00d. 

The most ridiculous thing is that it's one of your fellow Trinity fans. Talk about mature.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 28, 2006, 07:44:56 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on November 27, 2006, 06:26:05 PM
I think had Trinity won the SCAC they would have progressed further in the playoffs than Millsaps.  Millsaps crushed them in Jackson, no doubt.  But emotion, and an unprecedented home field reaction (as mentioned in previous Millsaps supporter posts), played a huge role.  This is a lesson not lost on the players returning to TU next year.  I'm confident TU will recover next year.

I guess we'll never know how Trinity would have done but we also will never know how well a healthy Millsaps team would have done against Trinity in that final game or against CMU in that first playoff game.  Look at the numbers for Tyson Roy in those two games as he tried to play with his ankle injury.  Against Trinity I think it was 3 plays for 40+ yards and against CMU it was 1 play for almost 20 yards before he reinjuried the ankle and had to sit out the rest of the game.  The Millsaps offense literally limped through the final portion of the season and certainly weren't at their peak in the last few games.

I'm sure Trinity will use this season for motivation and it will make them a better team next season.  I'm also sure that Millsaps will be a better team next year on both offense and defense, plus they will have more team depth than they did this season.  Juan Joseph and the receivers should be much more comfortable in the offense and the defense returns a bunch of talented seniors.  They should be a team that is hard to score on and hard to stop and I think the seniors will be motivated to get back to the playoffs and wins some games in their last season.  It looks likewe'll have a fun and interesting season in the SCAC in 2007.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 28, 2006, 09:17:40 AM
Are Trinity and Millsaps set to battle it out each year for the title or has the tide turned and someone other than Trinity will be there?  How does DePauw figure into things next year?  And Roocru, what about the Roos?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 28, 2006, 10:22:55 AM

I would urge the Millsaps faithful to be careful about expectations.  Once you've had some hard-fought, inspired success, it's pretty easy to lose a bit of your edge.  I'm pretty sure they aren't thinking about beating Centre as much as they're thinking about playoffs next year.  When DuBose had his big season at Alabama(1999), they brought everyone back in 2000 for a dud of a season.  When Trinity finally broke through in 1994 with a 10-0 season, they followed it up with an uninspiring 6-3 season in 1995.  It all depends on how talented the Majors actually are, how DuBose addresses this issue, and what their locker room leadership is like.  Following up on a great year is one of the most difficult tasks in all of sports.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 28, 2006, 11:04:40 AM
Well, it is early to be predicting the SCAC finish for 2007!  I am hoping that Millsaps does not lose three or more non-conference games and the SCAC can put more than one team in the playoffs next year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 28, 2006, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: exmajor on November 28, 2006, 11:04:40 AM
Well, it is early to be predicting the SCAC finish for 2007!  I am hoping that Millsaps does not lose three or more non-conference games and the SCAC can put more than one team in the playoffs next year!
With 8 conference games next year that leaves only two non-conference. Don't know if that will help increase someone's chance at a Pool C bid or not. Anyone who wins those two definitely should.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 28, 2006, 11:33:38 AM
I think I've mentioned several times that I expect Millsaps to be better next year and they will need to be better to match this year's success.  They had the advantage this year of a great home schedule and probably being overlooked by some of the other teams.  Their success was primarily due to their play on the field, but the above mentioned things did help.

Coach DuBose has talked often about building a football program, not just a successful season.  At this point in time I think one would still have to consider Trinity the most successful football program in the SCAC and DePauw would be second.  Hopefully in a few years it will be Millsaps with the top program and they will be turning out top teams year after year.

A lot can happen between now and next season, but next year looks really good for Millsaps in terms of returning talent.  The big challenge to establishing a football program will be the 2008 season when they lose this great junior class, but that is getting way too far into the future.  For those who are interested in returning player, etc., here are links to the 2006 Millsaps and Trinity rosters:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/roster.shtml

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/roster.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2006, 03:16:45 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on November 28, 2006, 11:07:41 AM
Quote from: exmajor on November 28, 2006, 11:04:40 AM
Well, it is early to be predicting the SCAC finish for 2007!  I am hoping that Millsaps does not lose three or more non-conference games and the SCAC can put more than one team in the playoffs next year!
With 8 conference games next year that leaves only two non-conference. Don't know if that will help increase someone's chance at a Pool C bid or not. Anyone who wins those two definitely should.

From this season, we saw that Pool C will allow, maybe, one in-region loss.  Both Franklin and Cortland State had good numbers and did not get a Pool C bid.  Thus a team must 8-1 or 9-1 in South Region games.  Also, it will help to have good wins over quality opponents.

As for Huntingdon, I am suspecting that the "Presidents AC" Pool B bid will move over to Pool A in fall 2007.  Therefore there will be only 3 Pool B bids.

In fall 2008, we should pick up one more Pool B bid, while the Northern Athletics Conference is establishing itself as a football sponsoring conference (from the teams in the Illini-Badger Conference.)  In 2008, the Northwest Conference moves to Pool A tho'.  I do not see a change in the number of Pool B bids (3 total).

Take home message is that at-large bids only go to one-loss teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 29, 2006, 04:28:46 PM
You've probably seen this on one of the other boards, but just for fun!!! ;D

Victory chain from Austin to Southern Cal for 2006

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Austin beat
Kalamazoo who beat
Tri-State who beat
Olivet who beat
Albion who beat
Butler who beat
Dayton who beat
Robert Morris who beat
Central Conn St who beat
Georgia Southern who beat
Western Carolina who beat
Eastern Kentucky who beat
Western Kentucky who beat
Southern Illinois who beat
Indiana who beat
Western Michigan who beat
Toledo who beat
Kansas who beat
Kansas St who beat
Texas who beat
Oklahoma who beat
Washington who beat
UCLA who beat
Oregon St who beat
Southern Cal

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Traversed 24 teams on this chain
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 30, 2006, 07:54:14 AM
I think that chain needs one more link.  Could you add that Millsaps beat Austin at the top of the list and therefore Millsaps should be in contention for the BCS Championship!!!!

Thanks for posting the above and I do expect Austin to get into the SCAC hunt in the future.  I look forward to the SCAC becoming more competitivie and that competiion leading to a stronger league that produces good playoff teams year after year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HoosierQBScout on December 01, 2006, 08:36:38 PM
QuoteAustin beat
Kalamazoo who beat
Tri-State who beat
Olivet who beat
Albion who beat
Butler who beat
Dayton who beat
Robert Morris who beat
Central Conn St who beat
Georgia Southern who beat
Western Carolina who beat
Eastern Kentucky who beat
Western Kentucky who beat
Southern Illinois who beat
Indiana who beat
Western Michigan who beat
Toledo who beat
Kansas who beat
Kansas St who beat
Texas who beat
Oklahoma who beat
Washington who beat
UCLA who beat
Oregon St who beat
Southern Cal

Beautiful...and so appropriate this time of year.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 06, 2006, 08:14:58 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity vs. Wesley---whenever?)

Will we ever "again" see how that great (really) Wesley O stacks-up against the Black Flag? I was at the 2000 First Round Playoff game and watched Wesley score a total of 3 points; the Tigers managed to score 21 themselves. These two teams should play each other sometimes soon; regular season or playoffs, doesn't really matter to me, does it?

                                                                         :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 12, 2006, 06:01:41 PM

Allow me to break the silence.  It's given me time to think about next year a little more.  I know that very few took me seriously when I went out on a limb and penciled the Roos in as the new bully on the block.  Also, they didn't take it well on the OAC when I went over there and told them that the Mount was about to crumble and Austin College was going to take their place.  That's where I picked up all the negative karma.  Anyway, in hindsight now I'm not so sure about Austin College.  It just doesn't seem like their hands kickoff team is strong enough to grab the automatic bid.  My new pick:  The Tigers.

Let's face it- it could be the toughest place for an opposing team to play in the nation, so that's five automatic wins right there.  I think they have the guts to win all five of their road games as well.  Everyone on the team is smart, and they all know how to play football reasonably well.  Plus, I heard that most of the guys receive some sort of financial aid, so you know they have to be good.  If you watch, they work hard all year long, and that's really what it's all about- working hard.   It also helps to have great athletes and I heard the Tigers picked up some of the best non-scholarship players in the nation.  Having heard the same things about Rhodes, I was going to pick the Lynx, but they're just a different animal.  Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on December 12, 2006, 08:56:39 PM
TU2698,

Come back, come back!!!!  :(   I just knew I had my first convert.  Go with what your gut says and get on the Roo bandwagon !!! ;D ;D

2007 - Year of the ROO and the CRU !!!!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 13, 2006, 09:51:44 AM

Tell them to recover an onsides kick.  Until then, I'm just not sold that they can win a big game.  I'm just convinced that whether they're playing in Colorado Springs, Greencastle, Sewanee, San Antonio, wherever- the Tigers can't lose. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 14, 2006, 08:58:07 AM
TU--So the effects of whatever crazy juice you had been drinking have finally worn off.  Without knowing anything about who Trinity is losing or who they are recruiting, I would be very surprised if Trinity didn't improve considerably from 2006 to 2007.  Looking at the big picture, losing their grip on the SCAC crown might be exactly what the Trinity football program needed in order to move forward.

That being said, I will also be surprised if Millsaps doesn't improve tremendously from 2006 to 2007.  You have to remember that Coach DuBose was named the head coach at Millsaps in February, 2006.  The timing of the coaching change didn't help the recruiting process and the results of previous seasons didn't exactly sell the football program to potential recruits.  With the success of the last season and the stability of the coaching staff, I expect a great recruiting class to come in and bolster a large group of returning players.  In addition, those returning players are going to be much more comfortable with the offensive and defensive schemes that Millsaps will run in 2007.

Knowing that DePauw will rebound (and that Austin will work to solve the problems with their hands team) and knowing that Millsaps will now have to prove that they can beat the top teams while on the road, I expect the 2007 season to be wide open.  I also think that the team that ends up with the automatic NCAA Playoff bid will be a team that is much better prepared to compete in the national playoffs.  But until them, we still have a lot of great sports coming up in the second half of this year and I'm excited about seeing how all of that unfolds.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 14, 2006, 10:36:32 AM

Frank,

While all of what you're saying is definitely true, there's no mention in your post about some key showdowns involving the Tigers:

Week 1:  Pomona-Pitzer at the Tigers
Week 3:  The Tigers play in Greencastle
Week 5:  Centre at the Tigers
Week 6:  The Tigers at the Tigers
Week 7:  The Majors at the Tigers
Week 8:  The Tigers at the Majors
Week 9:  The Tigers travel to Austin College
Week 10:  The Tigers play at Sewanee
Week 11: The Tigers play the Little Giants

Those are just my predictions for who plays when.  Adding the Tigers to the conference next year might shake up the scheduling a bit.  But really, the conference will depends on who works hardest. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 15, 2006, 07:03:46 AM
TU--I see now that you are hedging your bet, but we all know which Tiger is dearest to your heart. 

Since the opening kickoff for the 2007 season is now less than 9 months away, I'll go ahead and predict a perfect regular season for the Majors and a top 15 national ranking.  Being a fan, I don't need to wait on things like recruiting or seeing the schedule before making such a prediction.

Have a great Christmas and a happy and prosperous 2007.

Frank.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on December 15, 2006, 12:30:18 PM
Bold prediction Frank,,,,, That would mean that you're expecting the Majors to beat TU in SAT....  hmmm, when was the last time that happened?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 15, 2006, 01:17:15 PM
I hope it came across that my prediction was meant to be a fan's wishes more so than based on facts and figures (since I don't know anything about recruiting, next year's schedule, etc.). 

As for winning at TU, that will be tough.  On the other hand, if I had said in 2006 that Millsaps was going to go undefeated in the SCAC you might have said:  "That would mean that you're expecting the Trinity Tigers to finish out of the top spot in the SCAC... hmmm, when was the last time that happened?"

As I tell my co-workers who ask for advice on the mutual funds in our company's 401(k) plan, I can give you all the stats about what has happened in the past but that is no guarantee that things won't change in the future.  That's true in the stock market, in sports, and in just about every thing else in life.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 16, 2006, 10:38:07 AM
Quote from: historymajor on December 15, 2006, 12:30:18 PM
Bold prediction Frank,,,,, That would mean that you're expecting the Majors to beat TU in SAT....  hmmm, when was the last time that happened?

The SCAC schedule is changing significantly next year because of the addition of the two teams. Trinity returns to Jackson, Miss., in 2007.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on December 16, 2006, 05:38:41 PM
Who are the 2 teams coming into the conference?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2006, 07:18:41 PM
Colorado College and from Division I, Birmingham-Southern College.

B-SC (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/?p=208#comments)

B-SC with additional material and hyperlinks (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/?p=189)

Bill, I encourage your review of both blogs for the general information of the dynamics inside D3 and in the SCAC, as the SCAC becomes a 9-team football conference.

This will impact the SCAC considerably, and in turn, the ASC and the South Region.

The biggest impact that I can see in football is how the expanded SCAC schedule has impacted the scheduling at LaGrange and Huntingdon.  The 2 extra conference games take up slots that LaGrange and Huntingdon could have filled for Sewanee, Centre, Rhodes and Millsaps.

Likewise, Trinity and Austin College lose dates as well.  This year, Trinity and AC scheduled 2 ASC teams each.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on December 16, 2006, 07:25:26 PM
Thanks Ralph.  I seem to remember Colorado College was one of the last college teams to run the single wing. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 16, 2006, 08:30:23 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on December 16, 2006, 07:25:26 PM
I seem to remember Colorado College was one of the last college teams to run the single wing. 

How nice it would be if they brought it back. That, or the "Wildcat Formation."  :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on December 16, 2006, 08:33:13 PM
Warren, with all the shot gun formations today, a lot of what teams are doing with their running game is a variation on old single wing plays.  My dad played in the single wing and he was showing me some plays they ran.  Lots of double teams at the point of attack and misdirections.  Looked like a lot of fun.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 16, 2006, 08:40:39 PM
True, and it was a lot of fun, especially the Princeton-type single wing, unbalanced line, and bucklateral series. You never knew who had the ball or would end up with the ball.

BTW there are high schools in Virginia* and Michigan and one in eastern Pennsylvania that still use the single wing.

----------------------------

*One Virginia school features the Wildcat Formation, a spin-off from the single wing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 19, 2006, 05:11:23 PM
Just a note of congratulations for Chris Jackson of Millsaps for making the 1st team All-American as the return specialist and to Dustin Allen of Trinity for being named to the 3rd team defense and to Dustin Hertel of DePauw for earning an Honorable Mention as a defender.  With only 100 players named to the All-American teams, it is quite an honor for all three of these players.

For an additional story on Chris Jackson, click here:
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/121806story.shtml

For more stories on these three football players and the 4 other Millsaps players who made an All-South team, go to the SCAC website:
http://www.scac-online.org/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2006, 01:56:26 AM
I had a chance to meet the father of a Millsaps player today.  He says Millsaps is very optimistic and that there is a new spirit on the team.
It should make for some very good off-season work, and I might expect some transfers to Millsaps from the D1's and D-1AA's in the South. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 21, 2006, 03:36:41 PM
Ralph, I think you are right about the transfers and don't underestimate the effect that Chris Jackson's success might have in that recruiting.  Chris came to Millsaps for his senior year and got some national recognition that is at least giving him the opportunity to be seen by some pro scouts.  They have had a combine type deal going on at Millsaps this week and Chris is participating in that (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/121906story.shtml)

Aside from the transfers, I'm sure it makes Millsaps a more viable option for the high school seniors who do have a legitimate shot at playing D2 or maybe walking on at a D1 program.  As the saying goes, success breeds success.

In a related subject, I was talking yesterday to someone who works at Millsaps and is in a position to have some valid insight on Coach DuBose and the probability of DuBose staying at Millsaps.  They felt like Coach DuBose is happy at Millsaps and he wants to stay as long as the situation there is one that will allow him to build a winning football program.  It will be interesting to see just what kind of program he can build if he stays at Millsaps for another 10 years or so.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2006, 07:52:40 PM
Frank, the father of the Millsaps player whom I met recalled the article in which Coach Dubose responded to the question about the difference between coaching at Alabama and at Millsaps.

He said the players he coached at Alabama wanted to "play on an NFL team".

The players he is coaching at Millsaps want to "own an NFL Team".

Coach Turk at Huntingdon and Coach Mooney at LaGrange are on one side of the careers.  Coach Dubose is on the other.  Respectfully, I can see Coach Dubose having a bigger impact on D3 as he sells the quality of the participation of D3football across the Football-lovin' South.  You can "Roll Tide" and "Geaux Tigers" and "War Eagle" and "How 'bout them Dawgs" at the same time you are enjoying the very likeable, very sincere athletes that you meet on a D3 football field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 27, 2006, 07:58:40 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Frank Ezelle's Predictions/Hopes for 2007)


Frank,

Millsaps concluded the 2006 football season "Tied for 32nd" in the D3 Poll (4 votes), "Tied for 60th" in QOW (8.700) and with a 7-4 won-lost record. Not to say it is impossible that in 2007 they will go 10-0 and enter the playoffs ranked 15th in the at that time Poll, but you must agree that it is pretty d--n improbable?

It seems to me (it would) that Trinity with their "Tied for 38th" in the final 2006 D3 Poll (1 vote), "Tied for 34th" in QOW (9.800) and with their 8-2 won-lost record has a much higher probability of entering the 2007 playoffs with either a 10-0 or 9-1 record (I have not seen the 2007 schedule; could Pat share it with us) and possibly with even a higher than 15th Poll ranking (something like 8th to 10th)?

Obviously I predict that in 2007 Trinity will start another win streak of SCAC
football titles; the last time the Tigers lost the championship (1996) they then reeled-off nine championship wins/ties in a row. I believe this year's loss to Millsaps has merely stimulated/irritated the Giant. Sorry, but who really knows?

                                                         ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 27, 2006, 08:35:53 PM
I haven't seen the entire 2007 schedule either, but I was told by someone who should know that Trinity returns to Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on December 28, 2006, 09:11:05 AM
That can't be a good thing for Trinity.  I'm sure they would have much preferred to have Millsaps in SA.  I wonder if it will be the last game of the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 28, 2006, 12:23:58 PM
In response to El Tea Gray, I certainly expect Trinity to be very, very good next year and I think the loss of the SCAC crown in 2006 will make them a stronger team in 2007.

I thought I was making it clear that the uncertainty of D3 sports makes any predictions at this time of the year mostly about the hopes of the fans.  To be honest, I hope that everyone else thinks that Millsaps just got lucky this year and I hope they underestimate the team next season.  That would just make winning a little bit easier. 

All of those numbers about where Millsaps ranked at the end of the season are interesting but I think the most important ranking is missing.  Millsaps would be near the top in greatest improvement over the course of the season.  The big question now is did Millsaps peak last year and that will be the best that a Coach DuBose team will do at Millsaps or is it possible that with a year to recruit and a year to teach his system, Millsaps will be a better team in 2007?  I guess we'll find out next fall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on December 28, 2006, 03:23:47 PM
Speaking of 2007 Schedules, DPU has their 2007 schedule on the web site as follows:

Sep. 08 2007 TBA. Football vs. Anderson at Anderson Highland H.S. 
Sep. 15 2007 TBA. Football vs. Centre at Blackstock Stadium (Community Day) 
Sep. 22 2007 TBA. Football at Sewanee 
Sep. 29 2007 TBA. Football vs. Millsaps at Blackstock Stadium (Family Weekend) 
Oct. 06 2007 TBA. Football at Birmingham-Southern
Oct. 13 2007 TBA. Football vs. Trinity at Blackstock Stadium
Oct. 20 2007 TBA. Football at Colorado College
Oct. 27 2007 TBA. Football vs. Austin at Blackstock Stadium (Old Gold Day) 
Nov. 03 2007 TBA. Football at Rhodes
Nov. 10 2007 TBA. Football vs. Wabash at Blackstock Stadium (Monon Bell game)

For the first time in a long time, there is no Hope College as the expanded SCAC leaves them with 2 non-conference games: Anderson to open the season and Wabash to end the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 28, 2006, 04:05:49 PM
The DePauw schedule post made me check the Millsaps website and they have their 2007 schedule posted:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml

Trinity is at Millsaps for the 8th game of the season and then Millsaps finishes with a trip to Colorado and by hosting Birmingham Southern.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 30, 2006, 10:50:57 AM
Just a quick note primarily for Millsaps fans (but not limited to Millsaps fans).  I've started a Millsaps Sports email that should be going out about once a week.  Mostly I'm just gathering up information about coming events, recent results, and interesting articles and I'm putting them all in one spot.

If you would like to get on the emailing list then just drop me (Frank Ezelle) a note at millsapssports@yahoo.com .  It's just something I'm trying to do to promote Millsaps sports by getting information out to Millsaps fans instead of counting on them to search the Millsaps website or other places on the internet.

Hope everyone has a safe and Happy New Year and that 2007 is a great year for the SCAC--it certainly should be an interesting year with all of the new teams.

Frank.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 30, 2006, 11:04:14 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on December 28, 2006, 04:05:49 PM
The DePauw schedule post made me check the Millsaps website and they have their 2007 schedule posted:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml

Trinity is at Millsaps for the 8th game of the season and then Millsaps finishes with a trip to Colorado and by hosting Birmingham Southern.

...with a nice open date before the Trinity game. ;D

The biggest games that I see on the schedule are the MissColl and LaCollege games.  Two South Region wins over those 2 teams probably neutralizes any impact vis-a-vis an ASC team if Millsaps end up going 9-1/7-1, and contending fro a Pool C.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on December 30, 2006, 08:37:19 PM
Ralph, based on this season, how do you think MC would match up against Millsaps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 31, 2006, 12:00:50 PM
Bill, MissCol lost their QB in the Millsaps game last year.  He comes back a year older and with another year in the weight room.  I don't know.

I am excited for D3 football in Mississippi.  Having 2 thriving programs will generate more enthusiasm across the state.  For that matter, I wish Belhaven would join D3.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on January 01, 2007, 08:11:03 AM
Ralph, it seems to me that MC vs Millsaps will be a big game for both programs as far as a measurement in how far they have come.  I'm looking forward to it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 01, 2007, 01:37:09 PM
Bill, I hope that the Millsaps success in 2006 will add more interest to the 2007 version of the Backyard Brawl.  Not that the crowd was small in 2006, but the interest level wasn't near the level of a few years back when the rivalry was renewed.

As for predicting the outcome of the 2007 game, I don't believe the game from 2006 serves as a very accurate measuring stick.  Millsaps allowed 128 points in the first 3 games of the 2006 season with MC putting up 52 of those points.  In the remaining eight games they gave up 97 points with the defense rapidly improving from week to week. 

The biggest defensive problem was in the passing defense which often left men totally uncovered.  In the first 3 games Millsaps opponents averaged 378 passing yards and in the last 8 games the average was down to 181 yards.  Some of that difference might be the teams they played, but much of that difference was the time it took the players to adjust to the defensive scheme.

All in all it should be a heck of a game.  Now if we can just find a way to stir up the interest by getting the Clarion-Ledger to actually write about the local small colleges.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 02, 2007, 03:40:48 AM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on January 02, 2007, 02:24:42 AM
DePauw will get worse as the world turns.  Administation will always hold the tigers back.  They will also graduate a class of differrence makers. 

Do you guys still have the same coach?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: michael7 on January 04, 2007, 10:31:02 PM
Does anybody know if U of Mobile or Spring Hill is looking at Football?
Do you think they will in the next couple of years?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on January 05, 2007, 10:23:53 AM
Trinity's 2007 schedule is taking shape... times TBA

Sep. 01  @ETBU
Sep. 08  TLU
Sep. 15  open
Sep. 22  Colorado College
Sep. 29  Birmingham Southern
Oct. 06   @Rhodes
Oct. 13   @ DePauw
Oct. 20   UoS Sewanee
Oct. 27   @Millsaps 
Nov. 03   Centre
Nov. 10   @Austin College
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 05, 2007, 11:23:14 AM
Quote from: michael7 on January 04, 2007, 10:31:02 PM
Does anybody know if U of Mobile or Spring Hill is looking at Football?
Do you think they will in the next couple of years?

I haven't heard.

Michael, that does make sense.  Faulkner AL and Shorter GA both NAIA have added football recently.  The Mid-South Football Conference would add them. (http://www.mid-southconference.org/football/06week14.html)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on January 05, 2007, 03:51:49 PM
Interesting.  I wonder who Huntingdon is replacing Trinity on the schedule with.

BTW, where'd you find this, Historymajor?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on January 05, 2007, 05:30:50 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on January 05, 2007, 03:51:49 PM
Interesting.  I wonder who Huntingdon is replacing Trinity on the schedule with.

Not just Trinity but all the SCAC schools we have been playing are having to be replaced from what I have read. HC must still be working on it as last year the new schedule was up on the website by early December and I haven't seen a new one yet. The only games I am pretty sure about at this point are Faulkner AL, LaGrange, Wesley and I think I heard we have a two year deal with Hampden-Sydney starting this year. I'm not sure where the rest are going to come from. Maybe with those new NCAA administrative regions introduced the past year we can find some in region games from schools in Indiana, Ohio and Michigan.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 06, 2007, 08:42:47 AM
I like the schedule for the 2007 season with 8 SCAC games since I think it adds more interest throughout the season.  Last year Millsaps didn't play an SCAC game until thier 5th game of the season.

On the other hand, it really is a blow to the area non-conference teams like Huntingdon.  Assuming that Millsaps will continue the "Backyard Brawl" with Mississippi College as their opeing game each year, that leaves Millsaps with only one free slot each year.  In 2007 that will be a game against Louisiana College.

One quirk in the Millsaps schedule this year (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml) is that they have 5 home games and 5 road games with no two home games back-to-back and therefore no two road games back-to-back.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 10, 2007, 01:48:08 AM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on January 02, 2007, 02:24:42 AM
DePauw will get worse as the world turns.  Administation will always hold the tigers back.  They will also graduate a class of differrence makers. 

You are without a doubt a complete moron who is so jaded by his allegiances to say anything even remotely true.  DePauw graduates 10 difference makers every year.

That administration is really going to hold DPU back when VP Student Services James Lincoln has us in Cover-0 all the time and President Bottoms won't give it to #31.  My guy VP somethingimportant Neal Abraham can't figure out why he can't block everybody up front in the swinging gate punt formation, and VP Finance Dick Speller...well... you know what he told me?  "THE TRINITY TIGERS ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE.  You wanna crown 'em?  Then crown their ass.  You think we thought the 2005 hurricane was bull****?  BULL****!  We had 'em right were we wanted them, and we LET 'EM OFF THE HOOK. "

We are so screwed.

Although it is good that Speller will be too busy figuring out how to pay the Rogers lawsuit to pay attention.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 10, 2007, 10:05:37 AM

Coach Green,

You know too many people in big time football to be reading this board. 

Not that I care about DePauw all that much, but what the hoot was that? ??? ??? ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on January 11, 2007, 12:41:05 PM
TU2698,,,  I'm with you... will someone please translate that DPU rant?????
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 11, 2007, 12:47:33 PM
For anyone who didn't see this on the ASC board, Frank DeFord wrote a columm on Birmingham-Southern adding football by stepping up to D3 athetics:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/frank_deford/01/10/birmingham.southern/index.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 12, 2007, 12:29:24 PM
Quote from: historymajor on January 11, 2007, 12:41:05 PM
TU2698,,,  I'm with you... will someone please translate that DPU rant?????

I got awfully tired of my guy there blaming James Lincoln and Bob Bottoms for EVERYTHING over and over and over again.  Whether Rogers was hosed or not, the fact that they're going to hold the football program back in the future is completely ridiculous.  The only way the administration is going to hold the team back is if they fire all the coaches and hire themselves to do the coaching.  I got tired of beating the same dead horse over and over, so I thought I'd spice it up a bit.

And any time I can incorporate a Denny Green presser into a post, I will.  So there's that, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on January 12, 2007, 09:28:54 PM
The AD at Sewanee announced the selection of Robert Black, Sewanee Class of 1989, as the new heaad coach on the Mountain.   Black played for the Tigers from 1985 to 1989 and comes from an adminstrative position and assistant coach postition at Montgomery Bell Academy in Nashville.   He has prior high school head coaching experience at the TMI Episcopal School in San Antonio. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 16, 2007, 02:26:33 PM
One more "college" football game this year ... The first annual "All American Challenge: Texas Vs. The Nation" collegiate all-star bowl is set to take place Friday, February 2, 2007 at the Sun Bowl in El Paso, Texas, starting at 8pm (MST) with CSTV set to provide the television coverage.

Read more here: http://texasvsthenation.cstv.com/ (http://texasvsthenation.cstv.com/)

The "Texas vs. The Nation" collegiate all-star bowl officially released their roster and "Legends of the Game" attendees Thursday, January 11 at a press conference at the Larry K. Durham Center at 2 p.m.

D3 will be represented by Trinity (TX) senior OL Derek Farney and UMHB's punter Hunter Hamrick, who were selected to play for the Texas team.  See the complete rosters here:
http://texasvsthenation.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tvstn-m-footbl-mtt.html (http://texasvsthenation.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/tvstn-m-footbl-mtt.html)

(thanks to historymajor for providing the heads-up)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 16, 2007, 02:39:24 PM
This is not original, but posted in the ASC topic ... thought you SCAC'er's would enjoy chaining your favorite team to the National Championship.  It's comforting to know that the 2006 Trinity University Tigers are "only 21 games" removed from the BCS Title winners:

Victory chain from Trinity TX to Florida for 2006:
Trinity TX beat
DePauw who beat
Hope who beat
Albion who beat
Butler who beat
Dayton who beat
Robert Morris who beat
Central Conn St who beat
Georgia Southern who beat
Western Carolina who beat
Eastern Kentucky who beat
Western Kentucky who beat
Southern Illinois who beat
Indiana who beat
Iowa who beat
Iowa St who beat
Missouri who beat
Mississippi who beat
Vanderbilt who beat
Georgia who beat
Auburn who beat
Florida

;D

Build your own chain here: http://www.cfbanalyzer.com/cgi-bin/year.cgi?year=2006 (http://www.cfbanalyzer.com/cgi-bin/year.cgi?year=2006)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on January 23, 2007, 09:05:50 AM
TigerDad... what did you think of the Tuna walking away from Dallas???  He was overheard in December that it was him, or TO... Guess Jerry didn't believe him!  Do you think it's too late to get Zimmer back?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Sender on January 23, 2007, 09:49:32 AM
Historymajor,
   I told you 5 yrs ago the Chargers made the right move trading that 1st overall (Vick) for Thomlinson and they got Brees in the 2nd round.  The Tuna knew Washington is fixing to whip that @#@.  Time to go.  Maybe not so much Zimmer, but they can turn to reliable Norv Turner.       
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 26, 2007, 07:29:27 PM
Here is a good story (http://media.www.trinitonian.com/media/storage/paper819/news/2007/01/26/News/Recruiting.Program.Strengthens.Athletics-2679652.shtml?sourcedomain=www.trinitonian.com&MIIHost=media.collegepublisher.com) from the Trinitonian regarding this year's recruiting process at Trinity.

According to Mohr, there were almost 170 prospective student athletes who attended the event.

"When you tack the parents on, it was over 400 visitors here on campus, and, even though the weather here wasn't cooperating very much, I thought that all in all the responses that we've gotten back from parents and prospective players has been very positive," Mohr said. "I'm going to say that over 90 percent of the students that have visited in the last two weekends have already applied, and I think that the campus visit itself is primary in that decision to apply."


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 01, 2007, 08:21:55 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Keith McMillan's 2006 Season Final ATN--Part III)

D3football.com Best Ranking: "Not ranking Trinity (Texas)"

Keith, do it again in 2007, please!

                                                                         :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 02, 2007, 05:21:02 AM
You want not ranking Trinity to be the best ranking in 2007 as well? That's odd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on February 02, 2007, 10:56:24 AM
Pat, I noticed the time of your post and had a question.  When do you sleep? :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 04:33:58 AM
This time of year, not much. Plus I have a pissy former player from Gustavus Adolpus who thinks I have it in for his school, so I've been engaged in a late-night battle on the MIAC women's board.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 03, 2007, 06:39:23 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2007, 04:33:58 AM
This time of year, not much. Plus I have a pissy former player from Gustavus Adolpus who thinks I have it in for his school, so I've been engaged in a late-night battle on the MIAC women's board.  :-\
That sounds exciting.   Kind of like the promos on TV or tabloids.  I'll be sure to check it out. ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 09, 2007, 05:24:49 PM
Colorado College Schedule from their web site

2007 Football Schedule
Date    Opponent    Site    Time
Sept. 8    Pomona-Pitzer Colleges    Home    1 p.m.
Sept. 15    Sewanee-The University of the South *    Home 1 p.m.
Sept. 22    Trinity University *    Away    7:30 p.m.
Sept. 29    Austin College *    Away    1 p.m.
Oct. 6    Macalester College    Away    1 p.m.
Oct. 13    Rhodes College *    Home 1 p.m.
Oct. 20    DePauw University *    Home 1 p.m.
Oct. 27    Birmingham Southern College *    Away    12 p.m.
Nov. 3    Millsaps College *    Home    1 p.m.
Nov. 10    Centre College *    Away    1:30 p.m.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on February 12, 2007, 01:02:37 AM
Thought it might be time to catch all my D3 friends up on the latest with RooCru:

Page says he'll retire on June 30

Athletic director worked to improve CCISD facilities
   JAVIER BECERRA, Caller-Times
    Published: January 23, 2007


Corpus Christi Independent School District athletic director Rick Page announced his retirement Monday, a tenure that won't officially end until his contract expires June 30. Before then, Page said he plans to carry on the duties he took over from Richard Avila in 2004.


"I will continue to be the athletic director and make all the necessary decisions," the 57-year-old Page said.

Once his time is up, Page will go to work for AssistantCoach Systems, a web-based athletic management software company based in Austin. Page said officials from ACS approached him about a position in December at the National Interscholastic Athletic Administrators Association's national conference in Anaheim, Calif.

A week after returning home, Page received an offer.

"It's just one of those things that come up sometimes," he said. "I want to be clear that I was not looking for a job. I was fully intent on coming back. They made the offer, one I couldn't turn down. That's the way I'm going for now."

Page arrived in Corpus Christi after spending 12 years as an assistant athletic director in Bryan and immediately went to work on improving the district's facilities.

"One of first things we talked about when I got here were the scoreboards at our central sites," he said. "By the end of this year, we will have a new scoreboard and sound system at all six of our central site facilities, Buccaneer Stadium, Multipurpose Stadium, the baseball, softball and soccer fields and the natatorium."

Page also helped firm the district's transfer policies, which he said tightens up the transfer policies in CCISD and will prevent families from "school shopping" based on athletic programs.

Middle schools are now running the same schemes and systems as the high schools they feed into in all sports.

He signed the Aramark Corporation to do concessions at all central site athletic facilities which improved the revenue sources for the district and signed Titus Sports Marketing to research possible other revenues for the district including naming rights and scoreboard signage among other possibilities.

On a personal note, Page was especially happy to see the growth of the Fellowship of Christian Athletes presence in the district during his tenure.

Page didn't do it alone.

"I would not have been able to do anything without the support of the coaches, staff and administration, which is evidenced by the things we have done," he said. Page said the district has opened the position for applications.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 19, 2007, 11:23:51 PM
I see the DePauw schedule is up for next year:

Sept. 8  vs. Anderson at Anderson Highland H.S.  7 p.m. 
Sept. 15 *CENTRE (Community Day)  1 p.m.
Sept. 22 *at Sewanee  1:30 p.m. CDT 
Sept. 29  MILLSAPS (Family Weekend)  1 p.m. 
Oct. 6  *at Birmingham-Southern  1:30 p.m. CDT 
Oct. 13 TRINITY 1 p.m. 
Oct. 20 *at Colorado College  1 p.m. MDT 
Oct. 27 AUSTIN (Old Gold Day)  1 p.m. 
Nov. 3  *at Rhodes  1 p.m. CDT 
Nov. 10 WABASH (Monon Bell) TBA

I personally liked the idea of having Austin right before the Bell game.  It was a heckuva lot better than playing Rose-Hulman.  Seemed like we always got 6 guys hurt in that game before Monon.  Interesting to see Rhodes move into that slot.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on February 23, 2007, 09:32:05 PM

anybody with intel on birmingham southern?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 04, 2007, 04:44:35 PM

This is certainly no big insider info, but there's a couple good articles here:
http://www.bscsports.net/index.asp?path=football (http://www.bscsports.net/index.asp?path=football)

and several linked here:
http://www.al.com/bsc/birminghamnews/ (http://www.al.com/bsc/birminghamnews/)

finally, I think this SI.com article is old news, but I include it here anyway:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/frank_deford/01/10/birmingham.southern/index.html?section=si_latest (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/frank_deford/01/10/birmingham.southern/index.html?section=si_latest)

Better than nothing ...  just six months until kickoff ... ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 04, 2007, 07:39:54 PM
very helpful tiger dad...
thank you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on March 05, 2007, 10:23:24 AM
Hey DPU 3619, haven't been on in a while, but that rant was funny.  I am tring to picture Abrahms getting into any sort of uniform and trying to block someone.

Funny
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on March 06, 2007, 04:13:49 PM
Big news out of Greencastle.....DePauw Offensive Coordinator Kit Cartwright is leaving. To date the Tigers have had 4 different head coaches in 4 years, 4 different offensive coordinators in 4 years, 3 different defensive coordinators in the last 3 years and too many assistant coaching changes to mention.

Add to these problems, the current head coach is also trying to coach baseball and DePauw is getting a black eye in the national spotlight (I am sure you have heard the news already). Coaches are leaving, recruiting is suffering and what once was a competitive program is declining.

I am interested to hear your opinions on what is happening at DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 06, 2007, 09:31:24 PM

how is recruiting suffering?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 07, 2007, 12:53:21 AM
Good Golly.  Another new offense.

Five in five years.  Can't really go 12 months without "conducting a national search", can they?  Let's see who gets fired for shady hiring policies this time.

Nonetheless, I tend to agree with QBScout.

You say black eye in the national spotlight?  If I were a high school football player, kicking chicks out of sororities because they're ugly would probably make me MORE inclined to go there.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 07, 2007, 07:22:44 AM
QuoteYou say black eye in the national spotlight?  If I were a high school football player, kicking chicks out of sororities because they're ugly would probably make me MORE inclined to go there. 

THAT is funny.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 07, 2007, 08:02:57 AM
Quote from: INQBScout on March 06, 2007, 09:31:24 PM

how is recruiting suffering?



I don't know anything about DePauw football but it seems like the persistent turnover of coaches would make it difficult to both recruit kids and to keep your current players for the full four years.  I don't know who is to blame for that situation up there and I really don't want to open up that can of worms again, but it is a shame for the student-athletes at DePauw that they have to go through all of this turmoil. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 07, 2007, 08:09:16 AM
Quote from: jaycee on March 06, 2007, 04:13:49 PM

Add to these problems, the current head coach is also trying to coach baseball and DePauw is getting a black eye in the national spotlight (I am sure you have heard the news already). Coaches are leaving, recruiting is suffering and what once was a competitive program is declining.


And following up the post about it not being fair to the football players, it hardly seems fair to the baseball players or the coach that the coach is doing multiple duties.  There was a time when that worked as the same players and coaches at a small school moved from sport to sport throughout the school year but that day is long gone.  I see that the DePauw baseball team has started out 1-5 which is hardly what I would expect from their program (but maybe they have just started off with really tough teams--I didn't go too deep in my research).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on March 07, 2007, 11:27:27 AM
Inqbscout & dpu3619 there is a reason few others (maybe none) don't ask the same person to be the head coach for both football and baseball-RECRUITING. The time spent practicing, playing, traveling etc takes away from valuable time recruiting. Do you think you could work all day, practice or play a game that same day then go home and make recruiting calls till 10pm at night? Don't think you can just turn over recruiting to the assistants either because top recruits want to hear from the HFC. Top recruits require numerous visits to the high school, sporting events and home visits-this is not something assistants can do alone.

The recent campus controversy may seem funny to the incoming guys but their tuition paying parents may not agree. The parents of the next class of pretty girls at this 'Liberal' Arts campus may also take issue.  Due to academic standards and cost DPU has alienated themselves in Indiana. This controversy will just add to their problems.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 07, 2007, 12:01:27 PM
Quote from: jaycee on March 07, 2007, 11:27:27 AM
Inqbscout & dpu3619 there is a reason few others (maybe none) don't ask the same person to be the head coach for both football and baseball-RECRUITING.

We already covered this last season.  It got kind of ugly.  Probably better if you just go see that conversation a few pages back.

Also:

Quote from: jaycee on March 07, 2007, 11:27:27 AM
The parents of the next class of pretty girls at this 'Liberal' Arts campus may also take issue.

That's where it really hurts us, because now Suzy Sorority can't start at DE in place of Hertel this season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 07, 2007, 12:05:31 PM
QuoteInqbscout & dpu3619 there is a reason few others (maybe none) don't ask the same person to be the head coach for both football and baseball-RECRUITING. The time spent practicing, playing, traveling etc takes away from valuable time recruiting. Do you think you could work all day, practice or play a game that same day then go home and make recruiting calls till 10pm at night? Don't think you can just turn over recruiting to the assistants either because top recruits want to hear from the HFC. Top recruits require numerous visits to the high school, sporting events and home visits-this is not something assistants can do alone.

The recent campus controversy may seem funny to the incoming guys but their tuition paying parents may not agree. The parents of the next class of pretty girls at this 'Liberal' Arts campus may also take issue.  Due to academic standards and cost DPU has alienated themselves in Indiana. This controversy will just add to their problems.

While I would agree with you that recruiting could potentialy suffer---time will tell with the talent level being attracted---and if in fact the situation prompts kids to choose another shool. Having been around this for a bit, I can tell you your supposition that top DIII recruits require "multiple" school, home and game visitsfrom the HC is simply not true.

 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on March 07, 2007, 12:34:25 PM
Inqbscout- My comments come from a wealth of experience and I respectfully disagree. The best D3 recruiters treat the top D3 kids like they are D1 prospects......that means going the extra mile......you reap what you sow. If you recruit like they are all the same you will get average players and have an average program... In my opinion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 07, 2007, 12:53:28 PM
Quote from: jaycee on March 07, 2007, 12:34:25 PM
My comments come from a wealth of experience

Well, looks like we got ourselves a ringer.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on March 11, 2007, 08:09:08 PM
The top recruits will warrant major attention from the HFC and numerous assistants.  We will have an answere in late April to this discussion.  With KC leaving the boat will get rocked significantly.  DPU staff is down 2 coaches to battle for recruits in the "money down" recruiting period.
Do not think that the Sorority issue will not hurt the battle.  Those parents that finance their sons education will not take the situation jokingly.  As in sales, "perception is reality."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Snakehandler on March 12, 2007, 11:03:14 AM
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 12, 2007, 06:57:19 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on March 11, 2007, 08:09:08 PM
As in sales, "perception is reality."

Apparently, also as in your day-to-day life.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 13, 2007, 10:19:11 AM

I would have posted the link, but it was really weird looking.  It was almost three full lines long.  Not important.  What is important is that highly seeded Texas teams won't have to play each other to advance.  This is at ncaa.org.  Go to the bottom and click on Division III. 

Division III football recommends changes to bracket process 

March 09, 2007 

The NCAA News 
 

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The Division III Football Committee is recommending that the geographic-proximity principle that is applied once the championship field is seeded and bracketed can be broken to protect highly seeded teams.

         

Currently, teams are seeded in four eight-team regions. The eight teams are seeded with each of the top four seeds receiving a first-round home contest. However, if two of the teams are within 500 miles of each other, and can create a pairing where a flight can be avoided, those two teams are paired regardless of how they are seeded. The policy is in place to promote regional competition and eliminate flights if two postseason participants are within driving distance of each other.

         

For example, it could be possible for Team A, which is a No. 2 seed and Team B, which could be a No. 4 seed, to play each other in the first round of the championship. In that scenario, one of the teams seeded five through eight would host a first-round game instead of going on the road.

         

The committee, which met January 30-February 2, wants to create a more equitable policy in which two teams that have earned the right to host because of their seed play at home rather than face another high seed on the road early in the championship.

         

The recommendation will go to the Division III Championships Committee. If approved, it would take effect with the 2008 championship.

         

The Division III Football Committee is also recommending that the squad size for all rounds of the championship be increased from 52 to 56, and that the travel party size grow from 62 to 66. Committee members cited additional access for student-athletes and accommodating teams' specialized packages (such as dime or nickel defenses or multiple wide receiver sets) as reasons for making the change. They also noted that many conferences already allow more players to travel in the regular season than is allowed currently for championship participation.



Other recommendations:

         

That Division III football programs be allowed an evening walkthrough on the days teams only practice once during the five-day acclimatization period. Divisions I and II already have that legislation in place.

         

Pay official evaluators $100 each per game to attend every contest of the championship.

Members reasoned that games should be evaluated, so as the tournament advances, it increases the probability that the best officials are assigned to work those games.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on March 13, 2007, 04:31:49 PM
Hey 3619,

Apparently, also as in your day-to-day life.

  Please expand on this theory of life.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 13, 2007, 11:11:17 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on March 13, 2007, 04:31:49 PM
Please expand on this theory of life.

Allow me to bold the important part for you. 

You are so biased because you and TR are homies that you make your own perceptions about DePauw and turn them into fact, much like what you said many recruits' parents would do.

Quote from: depauwtigers1 on March 11, 2007, 08:09:08 PM
Those parents that finance their sons education will not take the situation jokingly.  As in sales, "perception is reality."

Not that far off, am I?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 14, 2007, 12:36:09 PM
Story on the DPU website this morning.  OC Kit Cartwright left to go to the CFL and coach for Winnepeg.

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=19083 (http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=19083)

Guess I can't blame him for that.  I'd probably leave a D-III school to coach in the CFL too, but that's just me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on March 14, 2007, 02:35:13 PM
3619,

  Who said anything about facts?  What gets posted are merely opinions.  Do you not think that families considering DPU will have an opinion on the sorority issue.
You can butt heads with me on T.R. all you want, but I do know what is wrong and/or right when it comes to the treatment of coaches by college administrations.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 14, 2007, 02:35:49 PM
After the concerns that were brought up about who would Huntingdon schedule with the SCAC expanding to 8 league games, it is good to see that they and LaGrange have joined a conference (http://www.d3football.com/).  

Any Hawk fans around with a viewpoint on this?  I still hope Millsaps and Huntingdon will continue competition in some of the other sports.  It's a much easier trip to make than most of the league games that both teams will have in the future.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on March 14, 2007, 06:13:12 PM
I like this development very much, Frank. The guaranteed seven games a year will take away a lot of Coach Turk's stress of trying to fill the schedule every year. I am very excited about HC being able to play for a conference championship and can hardly wait for 2010 and the shot at the AQ.
One concern that I have stated on the Independents board is whether those conference games will count as in region in '08 and '09 before the AQ kicks in. Since the main 6 SLIAC schools are in the north region and in a different 'administrative' region, I'm not sure what it would do to our Pool B chances if those were to not count.
That is a very small concern though and with all the positives that come with it I think this is definitely a great thing for the Huntingdon football program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 14, 2007, 09:20:28 PM
QuoteStory on the DPU website this morning.  OC Kit Cartwright left to go to the CFL and coach for Winnepeg.

I believe Kit worked with Winnepeg's HC or one of the assistants there when he was at Penn State...seems to be a no-brainer move...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 14, 2007, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on March 14, 2007, 02:35:13 PM
I do know what is wrong and/or right when it comes to the treatment of coaches by college administrations.

Coach, we know.  You've made your point a time or two thousand.  Wake me up when the horse is finally dead enough that even you won't beat it anymore. 

In fact, I've got a proposition for you.  From now on, at the bottom of my posts pertaining to DePauw football, I'll just go ahead and throw your two cents in for you so you won't have to waste your time.  Let's give it a test drive, shall we?

Coach Cartwright left for the CFL today to go coach for his friend in Winnepeg.  Here's what depauwtigers1 thinks:

Quote from: depauwtigers1
Yet another sign of mismanagment of DePauw football by Bob Bottoms, James Lincoln, Page Cotton, the entire DePauw administration, and especially Matt Walker for letting another good coach leave.  This has big ramifications on recruiting because Matt Walker can't keep coaches on staff.  He's a horribly unqualified head coach who will take the program into a nosedive and make no longer a top-tier Division III program in five years or less.

Whaddya think, huh?  Pretty good, right?  I think I nailed it.  I'll certainly accept critiques from all parties. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on March 14, 2007, 11:54:53 PM
3619,

  No, your little self forecast is off!  I think the guy has a great opportunity in the CFL.  Best of luck to him.  His departure has nothing to do with DPU coaches  and administrators.

  You should be more worried about what is happening with the football teams achievements in strength development  this off season. 

  What do you think the plan is for Spring practice?  Who will be in charge of the offense this Spring and what will the Spring agenda be for the offense.

  What will the team look to achieve this Spring, goals for team improvement. Has there been a position and personal review, so that every positional segement can set performance goals, in order to field a team next season that will win more than 4 games?

  This is what the Mt. Union's, Whitewaters, Wesley's, and Wabash's are doing.

  Come on now 3619, lets give the guys a chance to be good again!  Stop thinking like Jimmy and the gang. 
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 16, 2007, 02:05:42 AM
I am assuming you were asking those rhetorically and don't actually care what the answers are, but I'll give you my thoughts regardless.

I'd assume Coach Long would be running spring ball since he's the Asst. HC.  I don't know who's going to run offense, though.  In fact, I don't even know when spring ball starts.  I would imagine the decision on a new OC would be a rather swift one regardless of whether they promote from within or not. 

The spring agenda probably won't include many drastic changes for the offense.  Gotta get some meat on the big fellas so they keep making those holes for #31.  I thought the O was fairly balanced last season and the D was pretty solid considering both units had fresh faces in places.  The O put the D in some bad situations with turnovers (see College, Millsaps).  That's got to be a point to improve on.

We both know 6-4 is 6-4, coach.  I don't need to tell you that.  But a few poorly-timed miscues and turnovers turned what could have been 8-2 into 6-4. 

Came out of the red zone empty on a handful of possessions against the Black Flag.  You only get down there against that group so often, gotta capitalize when you do.  Couldn't keep Centre out with under a minute left.  Who knows what happens if they kick the FG and it goes to OT?  Gave Millsaps the football 5 times.  It's the little things. 

The offense returns a lot.  A lot of that group up front comes back.  It's the defense I'm concerned about.  Losing guys like Hertel, Farrow, Lewis, Berigan, and Sylvester hurts.  That's a lot to lose off that defense. 

Dunno about position reviews.  I could ask around for you if you care that much.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on March 16, 2007, 12:05:24 PM
DPU 3619

Your assumption that your alma mater will move 'swift' to replace the OC position may be incorrect. Your fearless leader Jimmy inacted a hiring process last year that includes; posting the position publically, having a search committee review all applicants, personally reviewing the applicants himself (to be assured everyone is doing their job) and bringing numerous candidates on campus for an interview. That process took 7 weeks last year. If history repeats itself, another spring will be waisted. Sure they can go out there some fundamental things and condition. However, good teams use this time to install their systems so they spend time on execution in the fall.

You also mention 'the little things matter', I agree. This is the problem you and DPU fail to see. When you have a head coach who also coaches baseball the little things will suffer. When you take 7 weeks to hire coaches, the little things will suffer. When you are recruiting with less than a full staff, the little things will suffer.

You and other alums need to stop making excuses and demand some changes. This should be a premier D3 football program and it is not. Start asking yourselves 'Why not'?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 16, 2007, 03:52:20 PM
Um... thanks for your input.  I guess.

I think you're handling this like the sky is falling, but to each his/her own I suppose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on March 16, 2007, 09:03:12 PM
  Has anyone noticed the job board feature on the home page?  What a great tool for people to use.  DePauw has not posted the new coaching job on this site.  Just another example of not moving with any urgency.

  It really is simple.  Take care of the things that affect your players.  Hiring coaches gets done within two weeks by programs that desire to be good.  This would be another example of the "little things" that build a winning program.  Creating search commitees, dragging decision time frames, & hiring with hidden agendas hamper the progress of securing quality coaches.  Waiting for June is a bad idea.  The coaches that are available at that point are usually around for a reason.  Quality hires usually do not drag past March.

Quote from: DPU3619 on March 16, 2007, 03:52:20 PM
Um... thanks for your input.  I guess.

I think you're handling this like the sky is falling, but to each his/her own I suppose.

  The sky is falling, and faster than one might think.  The problem here is that the DePauw puppet masters do not know how things should be done in a timely and efficient manner.  Head coaches know candidates for their openings, they are the best resource to get the task completed.  Plus, it's their job!

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on March 16, 2007, 09:30:11 PM
3619,
  I appreciate your summary on the Tigers Spring agenda.

  The "horse will be put to rest" when some heads roll in that "high on the hill" administration.  Two of those people underestimate the perseverance and individual qualities of those that have been knicked by their juvenille decisions.
  People that get caught in the crossfire, don't take it personal, its just business!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 16, 2007, 10:06:46 PM
QuoteWhat do you think the plan is for Spring practice?  Who will be in charge of the offense this Spring and what will the Spring agenda be for the offense.

This is what the Mt. Union's, Whitewaters, Wesley's, and Wabash's are doing.

Is this the same Wabash that can't have a freaking football in "spring practice"?
Shake yourself, youngster...don't embarrass yourself......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on March 17, 2007, 01:24:33 AM
inqbscout,

  You may be referring to wabash's off - season conditioning cycle.  They do a good job of using the off season to develop strength and movement fundamentals.  Unlike the program to the South.

  A few years ago, the NCAA permitted D3 programs to set a Spring football period. It is simialr to D1/D2 allowances except involves no pads or helments.  Teams can still benefit from scheme install and individual, unit, and team drills.

  So, I am not sure what you mena by shake yourself & such.

  It is possible the NCAA may have changed these rules, but I doubt it.

Quote from: INQBScout on March 16, 2007, 10:06:46 PM
QuoteWhat do you think the plan is for Spring practice?  Who will be in charge of the offense this Spring and what will the Spring agenda be for the offense.

Is this the same Wabash that can't have a freaking football in "spring practice"?
Shake yourself, youngster...don't embarrass yourself......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 17, 2007, 01:16:44 PM
QuoteIt is possible the NCAA may have changed these rules, but I doubt it.

You are correct...I think schools can have 15 "practices". I guess I was taking exception to the suggestion that Wabash's off season routine is so far superior to schools like DePauw. I'm sure it is very good---I would expect nothing less from  Coach Creighton. But knowing kids who've gone to both schools I guess I've never heard that. Just my two cents worth (maybe not that much)...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 18, 2007, 07:48:05 AM
Took me about an hour to find it, but here are the NCAA Division III rules for "Out-of-Season" football practices (from the NCAA Division III manual ... page 152 of the PDF below)
http://www.ncaa.org/library/membership/division_iii_manual/2006-07/2006-07_d3_manual.pdf (http://www.ncaa.org/library/membership/division_iii_manual/2006-07/2006-07_d3_manual.pdf)
______________________________________________

17.11.6 Out-of-Season Athletically Related Activities. Student-athletes and members of the coaching staff shall not engage in athletically related activities outside the playing season per Bylaw 17.02.1.1.
(Revised: 1/14/02, effective 8/1/02, 10/22/03, 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, 8/5/04, 1/10/05)

17.11.6.1 Exception. An institution is permitted to conduct conditioning and strength training sessions and limited skill instruction during a consecutive five week period outside the playing season. During this five week period, the institution may conduct athletically related activity on a maximum of 16 days with no more than four days of athletically related activity in any one week. Any athletically related activity (per Bylaw 17.02.1.1) shall constitute the use of a day. Skill instruction during this period shall be limited to passing, catching and kicking related drills. Such instruction may include offensive and defensive alignments, but may not involve contact. Except for footballs, the use of helmets, pads, blocking sleds or any other form of sport-related equipment is prohibited. No missed class time is permitted for these sessions. (Adopted: 1/10/05, Revised: 1/9/06)
______________________________________________

NOTE: I believe last year (2006) was the first year that Division III allowed the use of footballs during off-season (spring) football.  Good thing that rule was changed, eh?  ;)

Less than six monthes 'til kickoff ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 18, 2007, 12:07:36 PM
When I made a joke about putting this at the bottom of my posts:

Quote from: DPU3619 on March 14, 2007, 11:15:54 PM
Quote from: depauwtigers1
Yet another sign of mismanagment of DePauw football by Bob Bottoms, James Lincoln, Page Cotton, the entire DePauw administration, and especially Matt Walker for letting another good coach leave.  This has big ramifications on recruiting because Matt Walker can't keep coaches on staff.  He's a horribly unqualified head coach who will take the program into a nosedive and make no longer a top-tier Division III program in five years or less.

I was referring to your continuing urge to do this over and over:
Quote from: depauwtigers1 on March 16, 2007, 09:30:11 PM
The "horse will be put to rest" when some heads roll in that "high on the hill" administration.  Two of those people underestimate the perseverance and individual qualities of those that have been knicked by their juvenille decisions.
People that get caught in the crossfire, don't take it personal, its just business!

See what I'm talking about?  You've made your point about DePauw's mismanagement in the administration.  You've made your point about your disdain for the current head coach and a good portion of his assistants.

Everybody's read them.  A lot.  We've got it.  We understand.  You've shoved it down our throats. 

I think you are confusing my disagreement with the idea that you'll sway me and other DPU posters here by putting your keyboard on repeat.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 18, 2007, 01:39:22 PM
Those are the NCAA rules. The NCAC's rule is more restrictive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: depauwtigers1 on March 18, 2007, 03:05:04 PM
3619,

  I really do not have an opinion on the coaches.  I will have an opinion on them if they were part of the e-mail scandal, but we will find out on that matter in the near future.
  I take issue with 2 people in the administrative sector.  They made our life miserable when I was there.  While we tried desperately to improve our program by hiring talented coaches that fit our system, we were met with great opposition from certain individuals.  Truly a shame, that place has untapped potential to turn into national program.
  Thats all there is.  I could care less about the HC and his mission. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 18, 2007, 09:28:55 PM
QuoteTook me about an hour to find it, but here are the NCAA Division III rules for "Out-of-Season" football practices (from the NCAA Division III manual ... page 152 of the PDF below)
http://www.ncaa.org/library/membership/division_iii_manual/2006-07/2006-07_d3_manual.pdf

Thanks Tiger Dad....can't understand why some (NCAC) would want to try to undermine such a harmless attempt to give programs a chance for some extra work...

On another topic---who will be lining up behind center for Trinity this season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 19, 2007, 02:18:26 PM
Any golfer would enjoy this trip. 8)

http://www.clusports.com/news/3526/

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 19, 2007, 05:40:18 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on March 18, 2007, 09:28:55 PM
On another topic---who will be lining up behind center for Trinity this season?

InQBScout ... six months out it's a bit premature, but the natural choice would be last year's starter, Barmore, a senior next fall.  Blake had a very good year going until a broken leg finished his season. Wilson saw some action and did admirably when given the chance ... he will be a junior in the fall.  A couple first-years did well in JV action, but are untested as yet.  If all injured starters recover +100% as hoped, Trinity should be in for a strong showing on both sides of the ball in 2007.  Spring workouts begin today so hopefully we'll get some early reports here in a week or two.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 19, 2007, 09:26:02 PM
Quotesix months out it's a bit premature, but the natural choice would be last year's starter, Barmore, a senior next fall.  Blake had a very good year going until a broken leg finished his season. Wilson saw some action and did admirably when given the chance ... he will be a junior in the fall.  A couple first-years did well in JV action, but are untested as yet.  If all injured starters recover +100% as hoped, Trinity should be in for a strong showing on both sides of the ball in 2007.  Spring workouts begin today so hopefully we'll get some early reports here in a week or two.

Thanks Tiger Dad---if I remember, Barmore has some nice size---6-3 or 6-4? Sounds like the Tigers will field another solid club this fall...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 20, 2007, 11:19:02 AM
TigerDad... I was 'on campus' yesterday to watch baseball and saw the footballers take the field for their first spring practice.  Didn't watch any of it, but spoke to the coaches after...  all seemed cautiously enthusiastic.  I will be back Wed for a baseball DH, and try to give you a report.  How's the knee rehabbing?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on March 23, 2007, 12:13:31 PM
Kit Cartwright has been gone for 2 weeks and they have known for 3 weeks. Still no job posting. The DPU administration could cost the football team yet ANOTHER spring. Tick...Tick....Tick...Tick...Tick...Tick...Tick...Tick....Tick...Tick...Tick...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 23, 2007, 09:57:51 PM
Well which way do you want it? 

Everybody was so pissed off at the administration for hiring the baseball coach immediately after Rogers got canned.  Now everybody's pissed off that they didn't hire some joker out of the woodwork right after Cartwright leaves. 

You can't have it both ways.  Either you've got to find somebody you want, or hire somebody you don't.  Idiots.  I swear.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on March 24, 2007, 11:37:24 AM
Hey 3619,

Very valid point, hopefully they get a long term solution into help them out, no need rushing and making a strange situation even worse.  Oh well, another day in paradise, let's go Little Giants.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 24, 2007, 12:26:49 PM
Quote from: 4thANDaLONG4 on March 24, 2007, 11:37:24 AM
Very valid point

Thanks.  I don't see a spring being "ruined" just because our QB's and recievers are going through the passing tree instead of running plays.  And even if they don't get a guy in place right away, it's still better than opening up camp with a head coach who has been in place for two weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on March 24, 2007, 01:06:54 PM
DPU 3619.........Hiring promptly was never an issue on this board.  Hiring the baseball coach was. HFC is a good guy but he can't do both. While DPU is throwing routes to receivers running routes on the passing tree, the SCAC (and Bash) are refining technique and their systems. Remember..'the little things'.

From your position of vast experience, could you tell us idiots if you think the the talent pool for coaches is getting better or worse as time goes on? Also, the last head coach was hired two months prior to spring ball which is plenty of time to prepare. Tick..Tick..Tick...Tick...Tick..Tick..Tick...Tick...Tick....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 24, 2007, 03:04:56 PM
Dear know-it-all football coach,

When DePauw goes 0-10 because they can't score, I'll say you were right.  Even if they go 6-4 again, I'll still agree with you. 

In fact, if the offense struggles to score points because of your highfalutin little things this year regardless of the record, I'll say that you throwing a hissy about this was the right thing to do.  How's that sound? 

The thing is, your urge to throw the program under the bus has nothing to do with who the OC is or when he gets hired.  You just don't like the program.  That's fine.  You are entitled to that opinion.  Since that is the case, you need to stop whining about it and go talk nice about Wabash over on the NCAC board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 24, 2007, 03:13:03 PM
By the way, have you have depauwtigers1 met?  You guys have sooooooo much in common!  Both coaches.  Both hate the administration.  You should call him up and have a brewski or something. 

I don't know, though.  Even he might think you're a little over the top.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on March 24, 2007, 04:30:10 PM
Dear know-it-all student announcer,

Resorting to name calling and whining is typical of you. Once again you are wrong, my dislike is for the administration not the program, coaches or players.  Your alma mater has some bad people running the show (for now) and the football program deserves better.

I'm tired of your blind loyalty. I've had enough of the juvenile rhetoric. I think I'll go in the backyard and throw footballs to my kids as they run the route tree.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 24, 2007, 07:42:07 PM
OK, you're right.  That wasn't a very nice thing to say.  I'm sorry.  I handled that poorly.  I'm sure we can approach this like adults and not result to name-calling.  My apologies.  All I've done is yell at you guys and not explain myself.  Please, if you'll indulge me for 1500 words or so?

I understand your dislike for the administration.  I hate em, too.  All of them.  I don't like Bob Bottoms.  I don't like James Lincoln.  I don't like anybody in that cabinet.  However, I don't have a single bad thing to say about Page Cotton in all my dealings w/ him, but I know lots of folks who do.

I understand why many of the Rogers faithful dislike the administration (duh).  That said, you need to take a number.  Before disgrunted DPU football fans/former coaches/parents get their turn, the following people also have gripes:  Faculty, student body, alumni, staff, parents, greek students, independent students, and minority students. 

I want them gone just as much as you guys do.  I already won't give a single donation dollar to that school until they're gone.   They've made enough poor decisions that affected the student body as a whole to sway my decision long before Rogers-gate.  I'm not here to defend them or show some loyalty to them.  I hate 'em. 

But here's my question, and where a lot of my anger comes from.  How come wins and losses fall on the president and the AD and not on the coaches and players?  That's what I can't wrap my mind around.  You're angry because the HFC is also the baseball coach.  Am I concerned about it?  Yeah a little, but he went 6-4 last year when he got the job two weeks before camp.  His baseball team is above .500 and stocked with tons of great talent in underclassmen.  It's going to be a while before we know whether or not this will hamper both programs severely enough to cause a nose dive.  If we're routinely under .500 in the conference, I'll probably be right in the boat with you guys.  In fact, I might even row it.

Just because I like Coach Walk and those guys on the staff doesn't make me blindly loyal to the football program.   If we suck, I'm going to be pissed.  I want accountability just like you do.  Just like Coach depauwtigers1.  Just like 4thandalong4. 

But, I can't get why you point the finger at the top when we can't run it against the Hard Hat D in the Bell game.  I have a hard team dealing with blaming James Lincoln when we turn it over 5 times in Jackson and get spanked by Millsaps.  That was the purpose for that Denny Green-esque tirade a couple months ago. 

If you want to point the finger at why this team can't beat Trinity and can't get to the playoffs, let's start with who hasn't done the job to get us there.  James Lincoln didn't cause the Harbaugh fumble non-call two years ago.  Bob Bottoms didn't cause the Trinity TD catch with :30 left in '04 that cost us the championship. 

4thandalong4 actually made a great point.  You feel this sudden urge to hire an OC right honkin now.  Let's quit screwing around and get it done, right?  Tick..tick.. right?  Well, I don't want to hire the first sucker that comes across the desk regardless of qualifications.  I'm willing to be patient to get the right guy for the job.

Even if we wait until after spring ball, having a good OC is better than having a crappy one who put his offense in during these 16 practices.  Is it harder to get guys as the calendar moves closer and closer to April?  Is DePauw missing time with the OC in spring ball?  Sure.  Even with all the trouble between Rogers and the DZ thing and everything else, do you think that DePauw is no longer a prestigious football program?  Don't answer that.

I'm sorry I was an ass.  I hate the administration too, Team.  But slamming them is the same as slamming the HC and the rest of the team.  You say you have no problem with the program and no problem with any of the coaching staff of any of the players.  But you guys come on here and say stuff like "Another sign of DePauw screwing the pooch."  or "Boy, DePauw is really failing here.  They destined to run the program into the ground." (Note: not exact quotes)  You are saying that about Walker and his staff and players whether you mean it or not.  You want to blame Walker for it?  Then blame Walker.  Blame his assistants.  They called the plays and coached the players.  Aren't they the ones who determine the outcomes?  Blame the QB's for Millsaps. Same way Rogers coached the players in the Bell game two years ago with a playoff birth on the line.  Wasn't the adminstration's fault then.  Same way DPU couldn't hold a 12 point lead with 5:00 left against TU in '04.  Wasn't the adminstration's fault then. 

Do you see my point, fellas?  Who knows where we'd be if TR was still the head man.  Who knows how he handles the QB situation (other than his staff, obv.)?  The administration made the bed we're in, but now that the bed's made, why do you blame them for the OC leaving?  Why does every little thing that happens with DePauw program make you want to knock it down a level?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 24, 2007, 08:38:04 PM
Quote from: jaycee on March 24, 2007, 04:30:10 PM
Dear know-it-all student announcer,

Resorting to name calling and whining is typical of you.

Hello pot, meet kettle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on March 24, 2007, 09:52:33 PM
Regarding Coach Walker---

I think you'll see he is a very good recruiter. I undersdtand DPU has some really good players in th que...and I mean some really good players...don't be surprised if he takes over the OC job...and they get an OL guy to replace Cartwright.

Also, on the offensive side of the ball----DePauw is going to be VERY good this year.....VERY good.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on March 25, 2007, 12:18:05 PM
DPU-3619

I appreciate your passionate response. You actually are on to something but maybe not realize it. Your last response was professional so I will try to do the same. I tried to read your response objectively, try to do the same to mine.

How does a school with nearly a 1/2 billion dollar endowment, a great academic reputation and great facilities not dominate athletically at the D3 level? I agree with you, IT IS NOT THE PLAYERS!

The last two (yes two) head coaches left saying the program is disfunctional and underachieving. Why?

You need to look no further than an office environment that has dress down Friday-every day! Because the school recruits itself, because they will win 7 games a year just by showing up, people have become complacent.  Why? The administration allows it to happen and even cultivates it.  Why? Because change is not always welcome (Rogers-gate).  Getting better will require a level of discomfort that nobody is willing to endure.  Getting better will require accountability and maybe confrontation. This is not the landscape at DPU, which explains the relationship between AD & VP. When something is wrong it is easier to turn a blind eye than address it. The latter mentioned do not have the knowledge or the backbone to do so.

A couple of coachisms that are applicable-'The only thing that is constant is change', 'If you always do what you've always done, you'll always get what you've always had', 'The definition of insanity is to do the same thing twice yet expect different results.'

So to answer your question how can I blame the administration... This is how.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 26, 2007, 04:10:10 PM
I'm not being a smartass here--this is a serious question that I think others have been wondering:

Is there a way that a thread could be started for the DePauw guys to have their own little spot to rehash over and over all that is right and wrong with every aspect of the DePauw athletic department and the DePauw administration? 

I respect their right to post but this debate appears to be unending and a thread devoted to DePauw complaining would spare the rest of us from having to wade through the neverending argument.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 26, 2007, 05:38:25 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 26, 2007, 04:10:10 PM
Is there a way that a thread could be started for the DePauw guys to have their own little spot to rehash over and over all that is right and wrong with every aspect of the DePauw athletic department and the DePauw administration? 

Easy on the term "DePauw guys" there, Frank.   :D  Not a lot DePauw about them, other than being former employers.

I think it should just be put to bed, truthfully.  They made their point about the administration.  I made my point, and we (yes.. you guys too) should move on.  Let's call a truce.  You guys have some bitterness for obvious reasons.  However, let's try to put it behind us and talk about on the field stuff, eh?.  Deal?

Let's talk about actual football, huh?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 27, 2007, 10:33:18 AM


Good Call, Frank!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on March 27, 2007, 11:27:43 AM
So to lighten the mood, One very important question!!!!

Who will have the best looking cheerleaders?

DePauw or Wabash?

Sorry, thought it was funny, 3619 good post, we can all just agree to disagree and move on to more important things (not football) cheerleaders.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 28, 2007, 03:43:40 PM

Does anyone know anything about Chris Baer?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 28, 2007, 09:27:06 PM
Yep, sure do  ;)

Chris was injured in the third quarter of Trinity's first game of the season vs. ETBU.  Several ligaments were torn, but his knee surgery in early September was a complete success.  Rehab is going very well as he continues to work with the trainers on flexibility and range of motion.  Off-season weightlifting resulted in some good gains.  Chris is participating in spring football drills at about 80% speed right now.  Looks like he will be able to return to action at RB in the fall ... his spirits are good and he's more concerned about his classes than his knee.  That's a good thing.

Thanks for asking!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on March 29, 2007, 01:30:38 AM
2007 Austin College Schedule (Taken from Archer Communications, site of streaming audio, Times derived by adding 15 minutes to airtime, so they might be a little off)

Game           Date                 Opponent                                     Site                     Time
 
Saturday, September 1        Southwest Assembly of God          Sherman              1:00 PM 
Saturday, September 8        McMurry University                       Abilene, TX          tba 
Saturday, September 15      Millsaps College                         * Sherman              1:00 PM 
Saturday, September 22      Centre College                           * Danville, KY         1:30 PM 
Saturday, September 29      Colorado College                        * Sherman             1:00 PM 
Saturday, October 6             University of the South               * Sewanee, TN      1:30 PM 
Saturday, October 13           Birmingham Southern                 * Sherman             1:00 PM 
Saturday, October 20           Rhodes College                          * Memphis, TN        2:00 PM 
Saturday, October 27           DePauw University                     * Greencastle, IN    Noon
Saturday, November 3         open   
Saturday, November 10       Trinity University                         * Sherman              1:00 PM
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 29, 2007, 09:53:54 AM
I was listening to the Millsaps baseball game and in the pregame they talked a little about football.  I think spring drills start this Friday.  My impression is that the key members of the coachng staff should all be back next year but that's always subject to change. 

The announcer did talk a little about how the success of last season has really helped in the recruiting effort and that's logical.  I suspect that the Saints training at Millsaps is also a plus in recruiting but I haven't any statements to back that up--it's just a hunch that I have.  Regarding the Saints, I think that it is widely believed by all parties that they will be back on the Millsaps campus this summer but no official agreement has been signed at this time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 29, 2007, 08:58:22 PM
Are ya ready for some football?

Congratulations to B-SC and welcome!

The front page article looked good!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on March 30, 2007, 10:19:39 PM
Ralph

I posted the Wesley 2007 schedule on the ACFC board
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on April 11, 2007, 06:42:54 PM
 In case anyone is keeping tabs, DPU has finally posted it's opening. For them this has happened in record time, it only took 3 weeks. Football has just completed 2 weeks (half the practices) of spring ball without an O-Line Coach and an Offensive Coordinator. Now lets see how long it takes to seal the deal and what kind of hire they get, assuming they were waiting and carefully evaluating the field of candidates. Sorry Frank.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 12, 2007, 12:04:45 AM
I noticed that posting on the DPU HR page this afternoon. 

It made no mention of the position being an OC, which makes me think this prognostication from INQBScout is a rather sound one:

Quote from: INQBScout on March 24, 2007, 09:52:33 PM
Regarding Coach Walker---

...don't be surprised if he takes over the OC job...and they get an OL guy to replace Cartwright.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 19, 2007, 05:13:09 PM
Roocru, do you know how we ended up with DePauw, Rhodes and Sewanee all on the road for a second year in a row?  Did the SCAC just use the new members as impetus to re-shuffle the home-home this season, figuring it had to be done at some point?

I'm certainly not upset about it, but I was kind of looking forward to seeing some teams play in Sherman I hadn't seen before.

I'm not crazy about the off week one week before the end of the season, though.  Seems like that could have maybe been abated.

You are the man, though--I hadn't seen the schedule yet!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 19, 2007, 06:08:06 PM
Be grateful for Depauw who volunteered to have the off-week in the 11th week of the season! ;)

And remember that there is an ASC team that might want to play a 10th game sometime late in the season some year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on April 19, 2007, 09:24:52 PM
Just spotted this post over in the ASC topic (South Region football, American Southwest Conference):

Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 19, 2007, 08:57:23 AM
For what it may be worth, today's San Antonio Express-News has a story that Trinity's Mohr may be interested in coaching UIW.

Go to http://www.mysanantonio.com and click on "sports" for details.

Here's a direct link to this interesting story / interview published early today:

Football: Trinity coach has interest in UIW
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041907.01D.FBCuiw.mohr.3ce4101.html (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041907.01D.FBCuiw.mohr.3ce4101.html)

... here's related stories about the new UIW (DII) football program to begin in 2009 ... coaching staff to begin this summer ... courtesy of the deep pockets of N.O. Saints owner, San Antonio's Tom Benson:

UIW football: Big sport must fit on small campus
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.01A.uiw.3ae2862.html (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.01A.uiw.3ae2862.html)

Mike Finger: We've come a long way, or have we?
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.01C.COL.FBCfinger.uiw.3a5ed53.html (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.01C.COL.FBCfinger.uiw.3a5ed53.html)

David Flores: UIW's decision to play football welcome news
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.03C.COL.FBCflores.uiw.390d77e.html (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.03C.COL.FBCflores.uiw.390d77e.html)

Q&A: Incarnate Word football
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.03C.FBCuiw.answers.390d6a1.html (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.03C.FBCuiw.answers.390d6a1.html)

Football: UIW cashes 'blank check'
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.01C.FBCuiw.benson.390d6d3.html (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA041807.01C.FBCuiw.benson.390d6d3.html)


Hmmmm ... a theoretical discussion just got kind of realistic ...
???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 20, 2007, 10:55:50 AM
Seems like Coach Mohr does this just about every summer nowadays.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on April 20, 2007, 09:37:39 PM
You'll have to throw that rock a little harder if you want to hit S.A. all the way from the Windy City.  Coach M's earned respect in DIII and the SCAC ... no reason to diss him here.  Can't blame a guy for looking to better himself and support his family ... I say UIW would be lucky to get a coach with such fine credentials.  BTW, TU hasn't had any coaching troubles lately ... unlike some schools I've read about.    ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 20, 2007, 10:00:55 PM
Was not meant in an insulting or condescending tone.  My apologies if you took it as such.  No reason to get chippy.

I was just noting that Coach Mohr seems to make himself available for other positions most summers. 

I know he interviewed at DPU at least one time, if not more than that during the coaching carousel.  Some say it was just to get a little more money out of TU and that he was never going to actually take the job, which might be right.  We'll never know, I guess.

It's not a cheap shot.  Seems like he's associated with a coaching search somewhere an awful lot.  However, he always comes back.  And a whole heckuva lot more often than not, he ends up with another championship ring.  I think he's wearing them on his toes by now, isn't he?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 20, 2007, 10:40:30 PM

Wow.  Benson's a piece of work.  Let's put it in sequence here:

1.  Threatens for years to move the Saints unless he gets a new stadium.

2.  Publicly moves to keep them in San Antonio and abandon the scene of the worst disaster the nation has ever seen.

3.  Becomes the most hated man in the state of Louisiana.

4.  Once again has the city of New Orleans begging him for more after his team starts winning.  Ticket sales are better than they have ever been, and he collects everything, including concessions and parking at Tulane games. 

5.  Starts spending the money he's made off of New Orleans and the state of Louisiana in San Antonio on another football team. 

Don't get me wrong- the city of New Orleans is one of drooling sheep for allowing this guy to push us around like he does, but my goodness. 

6.  May end up being responsible for Trinity losing their head football coach, which is no doubt a personal shot at me since I've never paid for a ticket to one of the games. 


Mohr has been posturing on this premise for over a decade, but this one is probably legitimate.  I guess we just cross our fingers.  I'm certain that Trinity will find the best possible replacement if the worst should happen, but Mohr is a special individual and there are a finite number of his type available.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on April 21, 2007, 07:55:57 AM
Indeed.  And the Benson-UIW football announcement comes on the heels of recent news reports that University of Texas at San Antonio (UTSA) is also considering adding a football program ... this one to be NCAA Division I! 

Getting crowded in the Alamo City!   One bonus for Trinity:  rather than boasting over the ONLY college football team in S.A., they can boast about the LOWEST TICKET PRICES to see a game!   ;D

Here's a couple news stories about UTSA football efforts:

UTSA Considering Division I Football (Sep 29, 2005)
http://www.ksat.com/sports/5035474/detail.html (http://www.ksat.com/sports/5035474/detail.html)
"If we could have a great college football team here, that would be wonderful," Mayor Phil Hardberger told KSAT News on Wednesday.

UTSA receives football feasibility study (Nov 29, 2006)
http://www.utsa.edu/today/2006/11/study.cfm (http://www.utsa.edu/today/2006/11/study.cfm)
Not including start-up expenses, a Division I-A football program could cost up to $8 million per year to support.

SA Scores If UTSA Fields Football Team (Dec 20, 2006)
http://www.ksat.com/editorials/10576493/detail.html (http://www.ksat.com/editorials/10576493/detail.html)
Imagine, San Antonio could have a home football team by 2010, and one thats bowl eligible by 2014.


Now that's a bit insulting to the Tiger football program & their recent (now broken) streaks of 13 consecutive SCAC titles and 9 consecutive playoff appearances! 

Apparently the general public (thanks to the local media) does not consider Div III to be 'real football' ... anybody ever heard that one before?

I can hear Rodney Dangerfield's voice now ... "I tell ya, I get no respect."
:-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on April 22, 2007, 01:08:25 AM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on April 19, 2007, 05:13:09 PM
Roocru, do you know how we ended up with DePauw, Rhodes and Sewanee all on the road for a second year in a row?  Did the SCAC just use the new members as impetus to re-shuffle the home-home this season, figuring it had to be done at some point?

I'm certainly not upset about it, but I was kind of looking forward to seeing some teams play in Sherman I hadn't seen before.

I'm not crazy about the off week one week before the end of the season, though.  Seems like that could have maybe been abated.

You are the man, though--I hadn't seen the schedule yet!   ;D

Josh,

Sorry for the late answer!  I spent Friday and Saturday making the final move from Corpus Christi back to Bryan.

I have no idea how the schedule was done.  I wondered the same things as you.  As far as the late week off, I think having an extra week to prepare for Trinity can only be a good thing.  Who knows, that game might be for a share of the title.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 22, 2007, 09:57:02 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on April 21, 2007, 07:55:57 AMIndeed.  And the Benson-UIW football announcement comes on the heels of recent news reports that University of Texas at San Antonio (UTSA) is also considering adding a football program ... this one to be NCAA Division I! 

Getting crowded in the Alamo City!

As a St. Mary's alumnus it bothers me that they're leaving themselves out of the football conversation. Why StMU wouldn't want to take their rivalry with UIW to the gridiron is beyond me.

Of course, the status quo has always been good enough for St. Mary's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2007, 01:14:40 AM
Senior Abilene Reporter-news columnist Bill Hart (http://www.reporternews.com/abil/sp_lc_columns/article/0,1874,ABIL_8777_5498489,00.html) speculates that UIW could join the Lone Star Conference as a full member for the sake of football scheduling.  I wonder if the invitation has been offered.

That departure would put big pressure on the Heartland Conference to find another (non-football-playing) member. 

UIW might give the LSC's TAMU-Kingsville a travel partner is the conference needed to adjust the format for scheduling games.

As for talent, I still maintain that there is more talent "burned-out" or sitting on benches to fill vacancies than we can imagine.  It is an attitude change about D3 that we need to inculcate into student-athletes in Texas.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2007, 06:56:09 AM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on April 22, 2007, 09:57:02 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on April 21, 2007, 07:55:57 AMIndeed.  And the Benson-UIW football announcement comes on the heels of recent news reports that University of Texas at San Antonio (UTSA) is also considering adding a football program ... this one to be NCAA Division I! 

Getting crowded in the Alamo City!

As a St. Mary's alumnus it bothers me that they're leaving themselves out of the football conversation.

There was a time when the Rattlers did play football. In the 1930s ands 40s they had some very competitive teams and travelled across the country in their own bus. In 1916 they had a coach by the name of Eisenhower (he later went on to gain a bit of fame, as I recall).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 23, 2007, 07:34:34 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2007, 06:56:09 AMThere was a time when the Rattlers did play football. In the 1930s ands 40s they had some very competitive teams and travelled across the country in their own bus. In 1916 they had a coach by the name of Eisenhower (he later went on to gain a bit of fame, as I recall).

The team photo featuring Eisenhower is displayed prominently in St. Louis Hall (the administration building now) on campus.

And while that's a proud history, it's still just history.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2007, 08:00:06 AM
Li'll Giant:

If UIW gets Benson greenbacks for football, perhaps St. Mary's can prevail upon fellow-autodealer Red McCombs to fund its program.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2007, 08:44:33 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2007, 08:00:06 AM
Li'll Giant:

If UIW gets Benson greenbacks for football, perhaps St. Mary's can prevail upon fellow-autodealer Red McCombs to fund its program.  ;)
Actually Mr. and Mrs. McCombs have been significant benefactors of Southwestern.  He formerly served a Chariman of the Board of Trustees. :)

Note the 2 buildings named for the McCombs (http://www.southwestern.edu/tour/).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2007, 08:53:53 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2007, 08:44:33 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2007, 08:00:06 AM
Li'l Giant:

If UIW gets Benson greenbacks for football, perhaps St. Mary's can prevail upon fellow-autodealer Red McCombs to fund its program.  ;)
Actually Mr. and Mrs. McCombs have been significant benefactors of Southwestern.  He formerly served a Chariman of the Board of Trustees. :)

Then perhaps McCombs could fund a revival of football at Southwestern.  ;D
The institution dropped the sport sometime in the 1950s, I believe.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaycee on April 23, 2007, 11:10:14 AM
DPU 3619, I hoped you joined me in celebrating the announcement that Bottoms is retiring. Word is already out that this WILL NOT be an internal hire as many feel changes need to be made. This is the first domino to fall. Expect Jimmy to be next, he is not exactly popular on campus or with the alums/trustees. Cotton will not want to go through change and retire.

If the powers that be do it right (replacing those just mentioned), DPU Football may finally reach it's potential.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 23, 2007, 12:58:43 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2007, 08:00:06 AM
Li'll Giant:

If UIW gets Benson greenbacks for football, perhaps St. Mary's can prevail upon fellow-autodealer Red McCombs to fund its program.  ;)

Bill Greehey has been St. Mary's sugar-daddy. The athletic center and business school are named for him. He has given something like $30 million to St. Mary's over the years. I guess he doesn't like football. ;)

Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2007, 08:53:53 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 23, 2007, 08:44:33 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 23, 2007, 08:00:06 AM
Li'l Giant:

If UIW gets Benson greenbacks for football, perhaps St. Mary's can prevail upon fellow-autodealer Red McCombs to fund its program.  ;)
Actually Mr. and Mrs. McCombs have been significant benefactors of Southwestern.  He formerly served a Chariman of the Board of Trustees. :)

Then perhaps McCombs could fund a revival of football at Southwestern.  ;D
The institution dropped the sport sometime in the 1950s, I believe.

I read somewhere that McCombs played football at Southwestern and transferred to Texas when Southwestern dropped football. Of course, he gave UT $50 million to name their business school after him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 23, 2007, 03:20:21 PM
Quote from: jaycee on April 23, 2007, 11:10:14 AM
DPU 3619, I hoped you joined me in celebrating the announcement that Bottoms is retiring. Word is already out that this WILL NOT be an internal hire as many feel changes need to be made. This is the first domino to fall. Expect Jimmy to be next, he is not exactly popular on campus or with the alums/trustees. Cotton will not want to go through change and retire.

If the powers that be do it right (replacing those just mentioned), DPU Football may finally reach it's potential.

I most certainly did, my friend.  While everybody was celebrating some bike race on campus this weekend, I took the opporunity to enjoy the end of this troubled tenure.  I am happy to hear that the hire will come from somewhere else.  I had not heard that yet.  I was a little nervous that if/when Bottoms eventually chose to hang it up/got fired that Abraham or someone else in the Cabinet would get promoted. 

The sooner the entire Cabinet turns over, the better.  Not just as far as football is concerned, either.  Better for the entire University and its current student body, as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on April 23, 2007, 10:00:25 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on April 20, 2007, 10:55:50 AM
Seems like Coach Mohr does this just about every summer nowadays.

Might "Hurricane Steve" move its course across 281 to Incarnate Word?

On one hand, scholarship football would be great for San Antonio, but too bad it has to be offered at a joke of a school like Incarnate Word.  Unless you're going to be in health care, that place is worthless.  You might as well get a degree from Phoenix Online.

I don't see why Mohr wouldn't want that job.  He does a great job recruiting at a place that is very tough to recruit kids to now...imagine what he could do with scholarships to offer!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 24, 2007, 11:17:37 AM

What type of kids want scholarships to "worthless" schools?  I think Coach Mohr is still at the D3 level because he appreciates the pervasive mentality that student-athletes are students before they are athletes.  There is a massive difference in attitude when you throw scholarships in.  Certainly not all, but most guys on scholarship to play football are looking at the NFL.  They might have absolutely no shot, but if they are going to go to a "worthless" school because they can play football on scholarship, classes are probably not at the top of their priority list, and such a mentality breeds all types of problems, both on the field and off.   

That said, I don't mean to speak for him.  I'm sure he's thought this issue through, and I'm curious to know what his position on it is. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 24, 2007, 01:38:36 PM
Is UIW truly "worthless," as claimed above ... or are we being treated to some snobbishness from their neighbors on Hildebrand Avenue?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 24, 2007, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 24, 2007, 01:38:36 PM
Is UIW truly "worthless," as claimed above ... or are we being treated to some snobbishness from their neighbors on Hildebrand Avenue?

I suspect the latter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 24, 2007, 03:51:41 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on April 24, 2007, 02:48:34 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 24, 2007, 01:38:36 PM
Is UIW truly "worthless," as claimed above ... or are we being treated to some snobbishness from their neighbors on Hildebrand Avenue?

I suspect the latter.

So do I, and I'm a Trinity grad (from back in the Dark Ages when Trinity was struggling to define itself academically and assaying big-time football by, e.g., playing the likes of Mississippi Southern, Texas Western, and Mississippi State).  :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on April 24, 2007, 04:16:11 PM
Ouch ... anybody else hear that karma wheel spinning backwards?  Might be better not to fling judgements casually on a message board.  Never know what nerve might be struck.

I think, as has been previously stated, that more football in San Antonio is a good thing for athletes, especially those who might depend upon scholarships to attend college.  I don't see UTSA, UIW, or St. Mary's as problems for Trinity ... only motivation and increasing value.  When your neighbor adds value, the whole neighborhood benefits.  Perhaps San Antonio might be recognized as a legitimate football powerhouse city someday?

It's an annual struggle at Trinity to find good athletes who meet the ever-increasing academic qualifications for admission.  And yet, the Tigers somehow manage to field excellent teams in many sports each season ... a tip of my cap to the TU administration, academics and athletics staffers. 

This, my friends, is what Division III is all about ... and why I'm glad to promote and defend it whenever possible.  I'm guessing we can all agree on that on this board!   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 24, 2007, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on April 24, 2007, 04:16:11 PM
Ouch ... anybody else hear that karma wheel spinning backwards?  Might be better not to fling judgements casually on a message board.  Never know what nerve might be struck.

You got that right, TigerDad. There was a time when Trinity was no great shakes academically (and, in fact, might well have been inferior to the rigors of Catholic education at St. Mary's, UIW, and Our Lady of the Lake).

Triniity has been "elite" -- or what passes for such -- only in relatively recent years ....  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 24, 2007, 05:40:37 PM

That was the first I had heard of UIW being disparaged.  It seems to serve the community pretty well and certainly never interfered with Trinity while I was there.  What's so bad about it? 

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 24, 2007, 06:49:22 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on April 24, 2007, 05:40:37 PM
What's so bad about it? 

In fact, there's nothing "so bad about it" [i.e., UIW]. Trinity has its own place in the academic scheme of things, as does UIW.

Each of these venues has its own particular mission and objectives; by definition, neither is necessarily better or worse than the other, all things considered, no matter what certain parties may claim. Higher education is a very large tent, with a highly diverse collation of students and their aspirations.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on April 24, 2007, 07:00:45 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on April 24, 2007, 05:40:37 PM

That was the first I had heard of UIW being disparaged.  It seems to serve the community pretty well and certainly never interfered with Trinity while I was there.  What's so bad about it?   

UIW benefits from a great president. That school was teetering on the edge of closure before Agnese took over. St. Mary's and OLLU (especially) could use a guy like Agnese.

Being a life-long San Antonian I have friends and family that have attended every college in town. They each have their merits and their place in the educational fabric of the city.

OLLU is adding soccer and track and will, I'm sure, eventually add more sports. I'd like to see more of this, especially in football. I'd like to see SA be a place where college football thrives.

And with what Trinity has done it would certainly be the model that any new teams would want to emulate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on April 24, 2007, 08:20:09 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 24, 2007, 01:38:36 PM
Is UIW truly "worthless," as claimed above ... or are we being treated to some snobbishness from their neighbors on Hildebrand Avenue?

Sorry, not a TU alum - just know a lot about it.  I went to Incarnate word for a year.  I speak from a first hand experience.  It is poorly run with subpar faculty and I learned more in a semester in high school than I did in my whole time there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on April 24, 2007, 11:12:00 PM
Thought this was a nice article Sporting News did on Coach Dubose and Millsaps College.  Here is the link, just something to check out while we wait for August to get here.

http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=198329
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on April 25, 2007, 09:05:42 AM
Thanks for the post on the Coach DuBose article.  Millsaps had a program Monday to honor the graduating senior athletes.  Each coach got up and spoke just a little about the seniors on their team. 

It was the first time I had heard Coach DuBose address a group and he was really impressive.  There were 8 seniors graduating from the football team and he talked about how much those seniors had done by sticking with the team and holding things together through the hard times.  He talked about wanting to build a program that had 20-25 seniors being honored each year, not just 8.  He certainly sounded like a man who is happy with his situation and planning on staying for a while--and I certainly hope that this is the case.  It should be very interesting to see just how the recruiting goes this year and how the team plays next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2007, 09:50:16 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 24, 2007, 04:42:42 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on April 24, 2007, 04:16:11 PM
Ouch ... anybody else hear that karma wheel spinning backwards?  Might be better not to fling judgements casually on a message board.  Never know what nerve might be struck.

You got that right, TigerDad. There was a time when Trinity was no great shakes academically (and, in fact, might well have been inferior to the rigors of Catholic education at St. Mary's, UIW, and Our Lady of the Lake).

Triniity has been "elite" -- or what passes for such -- only in relatively recent years ....  ;)


A transition that began with the Ron Caalgard presidency, which started a year after I did.  Prior to that, Trinity was promoted as "The University in the Sun."  There were good academics in spots but it's a much better school today - academically, athletically, financially - than it was 25-30 years ago. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 25, 2007, 01:50:07 PM

Conversely, the football stadium was better pre-Calgaard.  Bonzo, do you have any new word on that situation?  Maybe it will help keep Coach Mohr around. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on April 26, 2007, 01:23:59 PM
Interesting news out of Arkansas about Hendrix possibly adding football...

http://www.hendrix.edu/eventsnews/eventsnews.aspx?id=10454
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 26, 2007, 01:58:46 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on April 26, 2007, 01:23:59 PM
Interesting news out of Arkansas about Hendrix possibly adding football...

What are all those kids that wear those "Hendrix Football - Undefeated Since 1960" shirts going to do?  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on April 26, 2007, 04:15:01 PM
QuoteWhat are all those kids that wear those "Hendrix Football - Undefeated Since 1960" shirts going to do? 

good one....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 26, 2007, 06:26:09 PM
In all seriousness...

I know this is only a feasibility study, and we're still a long way off from anything close to football at Hendrix, but I wouldn't be a big fan of it. 

If you throw another team on the conference schedule, every team would only play one non-conference game.  Doesn't that make it increasingly hard to schedule quality non-conf opponents?  DPU obv. has Wabash at the end, which if you beat those guys, it goes a long way to helping the case for a Pool C, but what does a Millsaps or a Trinity do if they don't win the conference and are looking to get a Pool C?  It's already bad enough that each team is only playing two non-conf teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2007, 09:07:27 PM
Here are the data from Peterson's on Hendrix (http://www.petersons.com/UGChannel/code/InstVC.asp?inunid=6620&sponsor=1).

QuoteSchool Type
Independent United Methodist, Coed 


Setting
Suburban 158-acre campus with easy access to Little Rock 


Degrees Offered
Bachelor's and Master's 


Comprehensive Cost
$29,654 includes full-time tuition ($22,616), mandatory fees ($300), and room and board ($6738). Full-time tuition and fees vary according to course load. Part-time tuition: $716 per credit hour. Part-time tuition and fees vary according to course load
(Cost includes full-time tuition plus additional fees such as room and board and mandatory fees)   


Entrance Difficulty
Very difficult , 85% of applicants were admitted 


Application Deadlines
8/1 (freshmen), 8/1 (transfers)


QuoteUndergraduate Student Population
1,088 undergraduate students, 55% women, 45% men, 1% transferred in

Minority Breakdown
5% African American, 3% Asian American or Pacific Islander, 3% Hispanic American, 0.7% Native American

International Population
0.7% representing 6 other countries

Housing Info
81% live on campus


I speculate that the Board of Trustees at Hendrix is looking at a budget that performs much better art 1200 pupils.

If we add another 80 males and 20 females, not that unusual, especially if we are talking Lacrosse as well, then we are at nearly 1200 pupils.  If we assume that Hendrix is only discounting their tuition by 25%, then $17K in tuition times 100 pupils is $1.7M.  That is a big help to the bottom line, and it moves the gender ratio to 598 women for 490 men to 618 women for 570 men, almost 51:49.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2007, 09:10:14 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on April 26, 2007, 06:26:09 PM
In all seriousness...

I know this is only a feasibility study, and we're still a long way off from anything close to football at Hendrix, but I wouldn't be a big fan of it. 

If you throw another team on the conference schedule, every team would only play one non-conference game.  Doesn't that make it increasingly hard to schedule quality non-conf opponents?  DPU obv. has Wabash at the end, which if you beat those guys, it goes a long way to helping the case for a Pool C, but what does a Millsaps or a Trinity do if they don't win the conference and are looking to get a Pool C?  It's already bad enough that each team is only playing two non-conf teams.

Millsaps can play Miss College.  Austin College can play McMurry or ETBU or anyone.  Trinity can play TLU. 

Hendrix must be having a very big budget crunch, especially with the Walton (Academic) Scholarships that have been going to Fayetteville.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 26, 2007, 10:51:23 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on April 25, 2007, 01:50:07 PM

Conversely, the football stadium was better pre-Calgaard.  Bonzo, do you have any new word on that situation?  Maybe it will help keep Coach Mohr around. 

Sorry, no.  I'm pretty out of the loop these days.   

I remember the old EM Stevens, even with busloads of AF trainees on a six-hour pass ppl still rattled around in it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 27, 2007, 11:56:42 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on April 26, 2007, 06:26:09 PM
In all seriousness...If you throw another team on the conference schedule, every team would only play one non-conference game.  Doesn't that make it increasingly hard to schedule quality non-conf opponents?   It's already bad enough that each team is only playing two non-conf teams.

Welcome to what the ASC has dealt with for a long time, now, DPU3619!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on April 27, 2007, 06:14:53 PM
Ralph

Looks like Wesley picked up George Mason U. as their tenth game... The web site has been updated with that game Nov. 3
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 27, 2007, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2007, 09:10:14 PM
Millsaps can play Miss College.  Austin College can play McMurry or ETBU or anyone.  Trinity can play TLU. 

The only critique I have of your listing is that only one of those opponents finished .500 or better in 2006.  I am aware that is currently who is on the schedule for TU, Millsaps, and Austin teams. 

The issue I had was not with simply scheduling problems, it was scheduling quality opponents.  While those teams fill the schedule, it doesn't do a lot to help a SCAC team that does not win the championship in receiving a Pool C bid.  For example, can a Millsaps team that went 9-1 and lost to just Trinity hope to get a Pool C when the only non-conf win they have is 5-5 Mississippi College?  Add into this hypothetical that DePauw, Centre, and Rhodes were having a down year and those weren't that impressive of wins.  Is that a strong enough case?  There were 1 loss teams left out last season.

I just worry that adding a 9th conference game would weaken the schedule to the point that a team from another region would be awarded a Pool C and be shipped southward.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2007, 10:30:57 PM
Oof.

George Mason is a club team.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2007, 10:43:29 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on April 27, 2007, 06:49:33 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 26, 2007, 09:10:14 PM
Millsaps can play Miss College.  Austin College can play McMurry or ETBU or anyone.  Trinity can play TLU. 

The only critique I have of your listing is that only one of those opponents finished .500 or better in 2006.  I am aware that is currently who is on the schedule for TU, Millsaps, and Austin teams. 

The issue I had was not with simply scheduling problems, it was scheduling quality opponents.  While those teams fill the schedule, it doesn't do a lot to help a SCAC team that does not win the championship in receiving a Pool C bid.  For example, can a Millsaps team that went 9-1 and lost to just Trinity hope to get a Pool C when the only non-conf win they have is 5-5 Mississippi College?  Add into this hypothetical that DePauw, Centre, and Rhodes were having a down year and those weren't that impressive of wins.  Is that a strong enough case?  There were 1 loss teams left out last season.

I just worry that adding a 9th conference game would weaken the schedule to the point that a team from another region would be awarded a Pool C and be shipped southward.

UMHB and HSU would probably rather play Trinity and Millsaps than Willamette,/UW-Whitewater/CNU and  UW-Stevens Point/Linfield/UW-Stout. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on April 29, 2007, 11:32:59 PM
Pat..
I was wondering about that myself. I thought maybe they were competeing on 1AA level this year.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2007, 10:30:57 PM
Oof.

George Mason is a club team.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2007, 11:45:05 PM
I see nothing here to indicate a change of status.
http://www.gmufootball.gmu.edu/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on April 30, 2007, 01:17:35 PM
I hear that Chris Jackson of Millsaps signed a free agent contract with Pittsburgh this morning.  That's the extent of my information--a newspaper from his hometown called me asking for a few photos that they could use in a story.

Any word on other SCAC players who might get a shot with a pro team?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2007, 01:47:22 PM
Frank,

I got a tip on that overnight and confirmation this morning, but that's all I know as well. I don't even know for sure if it's a contract or a tryout/minicamp invite.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on April 30, 2007, 02:05:56 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on April 29, 2007, 11:32:59 PM
Pat..
I was wondering about that myself. I thought maybe they were competeing on 1AA level this year.
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 29, 2007, 10:30:57 PM
Oof.

George Mason is a club team.  :-\

Wesley is still looking for game 10, but will use the Mason as a contest if it doesn't materialize. I believe that Bridgewater and College of New Jersey have done this during the past few years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2007, 02:08:12 PM
Yes, and it counted just as little for them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on April 30, 2007, 02:15:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2007, 02:08:12 PM
Yes, and it counted just as little for them.

Better to have 10 games for your students than 9.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 30, 2007, 02:48:37 PM
That is basically the one benefit, yes. Good experience for your second string.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 30, 2007, 02:50:37 PM
I hear Dustin Hertel has received an invite to go to mini-camp with the Browns.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on April 30, 2007, 04:40:27 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2007, 10:43:29 PMUMHB and HSU would probably rather play Trinity and Millsaps than Willamette,/UW-Whitewater/CNU and  UW-Stevens Point/Linfield/UW-Stout. :)

I'd second that, Ralph--though travelling at least increases the exposure of the two schools and the conference on a more national level.

In some ways, it's somewhat akin to the go-anywhere-play-anybody approach Notre Dame had to adopt in the early years of their football program, when nobody wanted to consort with the Catholics in this country.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tTU719803 on May 08, 2007, 12:26:34 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA050807.10D.coach.32a4331.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 09, 2007, 09:02:48 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Mohr at Trinity vs. IW)

Pardon, but Mohr would be (I don't know what) to take on the IW head coaching job and face the next two years with no competition and then the next five to ten years playing the likes of A and I (Kingsville A and M), Angelo State, Abiline Christian and the smaller State of Oklahoma  Schools. Better to be a big fish in a shallow pond than a small fish in a deep pond. Go Tigers, on to more Conference Championships and beyond (much farther beyond). Steve, stay the course; please.

                                                                                 :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on May 10, 2007, 09:59:21 AM

I hope you're right.  Unfortunately, when people leave great jobs, usually they're following their hearts at the expense of logic. 

What would be a tougher task-  Getting Trinity back into national championship contention or building a program from scratch just to see if he can make them competitive?  I would guess the former in truth.  Bringing them to the top is going to be much harder this time around. 

If he can get a better deal, good for him.  He deserves it.  Despite everything that he has accomplished, they still play in that joke of a stadium.  Of course, I really, really want him to stick around.   I think he's one of those once in a lifetime coaches. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 15, 2007, 05:24:34 PM
Wow ... slow week in the old SCAC topic!
Nobody has anything to rag about?
;D

Three months, 16 days until kickoff ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2007, 11:25:48 PM
How about 122 commitments to Birmingham-Southern College (http://www.bscsports.net/index.asp?path=football) as they start football.

Hendrix, are you watching? ;)

Pretty soon, only Oglethorpe and Southwestern won't have football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on May 24, 2007, 12:00:29 PM
Ralph, was there a breakdown of the grade classifications for the incoming players?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2007, 12:42:54 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on May 24, 2007, 12:00:29 PM
Ralph, was there a breakdown of the grade classifications for the incoming players?
No, but if one did not see a previous college on the roster, I would assume that they have 4 years of eligibility.  I counted maybe a dozen transfers.

Were you able to see the roster by clicking on the link?  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on May 24, 2007, 04:36:59 PM
Jeremy Boyce, TU '03 has been hired by the NCAA to manage youth football in New Orleans...

http://www.ncaafootball.com/index.php?s=&url_channel_id=34&url_article_id=9295&change_well_id=2
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on May 24, 2007, 04:47:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2007, 11:25:48 PM
How about 122 commitments to Birmingham-Southern College (http://www.bscsports.net/index.asp?path=football) as they start football.

Hendrix, are you watching? ;)

Pretty soon, only Oglethorpe and Southwestern won't have football.

I noticed the part about only listing the names of players who are officially enrolled at BSC and more names will be added as other players officially enroll.  Are they going to go with triple-digit jersey numbers or just have something like 92A and 92B? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on May 24, 2007, 07:48:11 PM
Frank, You can use duplicate numbers if the players aren't on the field at the same time.  ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 25, 2007, 05:20:18 PM
(RE: duplicate jersey numbers and large rosters)

Frank,

Perhaps you could mosey on over to the ASC topic and ask that question!

Some ASC teams have well over a hundred players on their rosters and must have to work out some kind of number-sharing system for their players.  UMHB's 2006 roster lists 141 players ... about half without numbers (http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/football/roster.html (http://www.umhb.edu/athletics/football/roster.html)).  TLU's 2006 roster listed 144 ... many duplicates (http://legacy.tlu.edu/athletics/football/roster_2006.html (http://legacy.tlu.edu/athletics/football/roster_2006.html)).  A couple years ago, UMHB and TLU each suited up more than 80 players student athletes for JV games vs. Trinity!

Not that there's anything wrong with that ...  ;)

etg: like that term better? ... no offense intended, I assure you!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 25, 2007, 07:03:53 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: D3 rosters)

TigerDad,
I'd watch the use of the word "players". I do agree that big numbers can be good; as long as they don't over-saturate the  respective coaching staffs.

Tigers first game, 99 days and counting

                                                                            :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: iwu2314 on May 28, 2007, 08:33:05 PM
I hear DePauw landed branigan and koors from cathedral hs...any other names for this imcoming class?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 30, 2007, 11:37:01 AM
Quote from: jaycee on May 30, 2007, 09:33:50 AM
For those interested or in disbelief about Rogersgate at DePauw an update......... The ... at the center of the controversy was fired as of 5:00pm yesterday. Evidence is also coming out that ... conspired to have Rogers fired. This is the latest in a rash of resignations and dismissals. Also... ... was fired, the head of financial aid quite, the .... resigned, the .... is retiring and... they have not replaced the offensive coordinator who left months ago.

Oh how the mighty have fallen. 'Fish rot from the head down'.

Not in disbelief necessarily but you can't post those rumors on here without some published confirmation. Check the Terms of Service.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on May 30, 2007, 12:47:57 PM
I don't know anything about the any other evidence coming out, don't really care.  However, the V.P was dismissed yesterday afternoon, and they will be having a send off for him on Monday at 4:00 pm in the student union.  How he left, who knows, who cares, but DPU will be much better without him, and now the rest of them can get down to business and not look over their shoulders every 2 seconds.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on May 30, 2007, 11:29:07 PM
Will somebody tell me what in tarnation all the hullabaloo is about here?  I apparently missed jaycee's post about everybody getting fired.

James Lincoln is leaving/canned/resigning?  That's confirmed?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 31, 2007, 06:42:59 AM
For those of you (like me) who are SCAC football fans and not informed on the politics of DePauw University ... James Lincoln is/was Vice President of Student Services.  By the pH of the comments, I'm guessing he has/had some influence over the athletic department and administrative decisions thereof.

A photo of Mr. Lincoln appears on the DePauw University Student Services webpage http://www.depauw.edu/student/services/VP.asp (http://www.depauw.edu/student/services/VP.asp)... for those who are interested.  As of this morning, no information about changes in university staff are apparent on DePauw's website, nor in the local Greencastle Banner-Graphic newspaper online http://www.bannergraphic.com/ (http://www.bannergraphic.com/)

Now, if I may be so bold, I vote that in this D3Sports.com SCAC South Region Football Topic, we turn our eyes back to the gridiron ....
:-X

In DePauw football news, the DPU website announced yesterday that former Tiger running backs coach Dustin Ward has returned as the new offensive coordinator.  A 2003 University of Illinois graduate, Ward earned 4 letters as QB for the Fighting Illini before serving at Indiana University, DePauw and St. Joseph's (IN) College ... story here: http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=19567 (http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=19567)


HEY ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE? ... IT'S THREE MONTHS UNTIL KICKOFF 2007!
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on May 31, 2007, 07:07:21 AM
QuoteIn DePauw football news, the DPU website announced yesterday that former Tiger running backs coach Dustin Ward has returned as the new offensive coordinator.  A 2003 University of Illinois graduate, Ward earned 4 letters as QB for the Fighting Illini before serving at Indiana University, DePauw and St. Joseph's (IN) College.

Very nice hire for DePauw. Young guy who played quarterback in the Big Ten and has coached both QB's and RB's. I know Coach Turner (his head coach at Illinois) really likes him as does Coach Lynch...he was also a key recruiter at St. Joe's...in fact may have been their recruiting coordinator. Nice background for a young guy.

QuoteHEY ANYBODY ELSE NOTICE? ... IT'S THREE MONTHS UNTIL KICKOFF 2007!

ABSOLUTELY!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on May 31, 2007, 12:14:59 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on May 31, 2007, 07:07:21 AM

Very nice hire for DePauw. Young guy who played quarterback in the Big Ten and has coached both QB's and RB's. I know Coach Turner (his head coach at Illinois) really likes him as does Coach Lynch...he was also a key recruiter at St. Joe's...in fact may have been their recruiting coordinator. Nice background for a young guy.


A really nice kid and a great football coach, too.  Knows his stuff for sure.  I really enjoyed working with Coach Ward in '04.  A great hire.


Quote from: TigerDad on May 31, 2007, 06:42:59 AM
For those of you (like me) who are SCAC football fans and not informed on the politics of DePauw University ... James Lincoln is/was Vice President of Student Services.  By the pH of the comments, I'm guessing he has/had some influence over the athletic department and administrative decisions thereof.

Just to add a bit of clarity, TigerDad, those other DePauw-related folks above will tell you that he made their lives awfully difficult while they worked at DePauw Football.  I don't know much about that stuff, but I do know that the administration allowed him to make the call on Rogers hiring (and allegedly the firing) as opposed to, you know, somebody who knows something ABOUT ATHLETICS.

If it's true that he's gone, it's much better for DePauw University as a whole.  Same with the Bottoms resignation.  Better for football, also?  I can only assume so.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on May 31, 2007, 01:09:06 PM
Hey DPU3619,

I agree completely, well stated.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2007, 05:59:29 PM
According to the Express-News, UIW announced their three candidates for their football coach opening and none have connections to D3.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA060507.uiw.football.EN.17b9766f.html

Dean Campbell - former defensive backfield coach, Air Force;
Richard Cundiff, former head coach at Texas A&M-Kingsville;
Mike Santiago, former offensive coordinator, Utah State; former head coach at SFA

I'd say Cundiff is probably the front-runner based upon his success at TAMU-Kingsville (52-27 or so) and the fact that that's TAMU-K is in the conference UIW will likely petition to join.  Cundiff stepped down in 2006 after 21 years there, the last seven as head coach (http://www.caller.com/ccct/javelinas/article/0,1641,CCCT_11577_4999028,00.html).   Santiago's tenure as OC for Utah State was a disaster resulting in a mid-season resignation (http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/092506acc.html).  He was 39-27 at SFA.  Campbell has never been a college head coach and is probably listed here so UIW can claim they had D-I coaches interested in the position.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 05, 2007, 06:26:07 PM
I saw that article. What happened to Trinity's Mohr? Did he withdraw? [It's not at all earth-shaking, but merely a matter of personal curiosity ....]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 05, 2007, 08:33:47 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: UIW head football coach selection)

Bonzo,
I also noticed the announcement about UIW in the San Antonio Express-News; as usual you seem to have it all analyzed. Must say that I tend to agree with your projection of Richard Cundiff as the likely selection. What I found interesting was that the three top candidates were all a "former" something; no currently active coaches. Just wonder if by "not hiring a coach away from another job" means that they come on-board for less money?

Warren,
What do you think?


                                                                     :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2007, 09:01:31 PM
Quote from: etg on June 05, 2007, 08:33:47 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: UIW head football coach selection)

Bonzo,
I also noticed the announcement about UIW in the San Antonio Express-News; as usual you seem to have it all analyzed. Must say that I tend to agree with your projection of Richard Cundiff as the likely selection. What I found interesting was that the three top candidates were all a "former" something; no currently active coaches. Just wonder if by "not hiring a coach away from another job" means that they come on-board for less money?

Warren,
What do you think?                                                                    :)
Jumpin' in ahead of Warren...

This time of year, almost everyone who is very good is working.

Less money?  I agree.
Who is not busy?  A former someone.
Who wants to get back into the saddle?  A former someone.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2007, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on June 05, 2007, 06:26:07 PM
I saw that article. What happened to Trinity's Mohr? Did he withdraw? [It's not at all earth-shaking, but merely a matter of personal curiosity ....]

My guess is that UIW wanted to make a statement and in their minds a D3 coach, even a very successful one, is not the statement they wanted to make.

Their loss, our gain. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2007, 11:13:50 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2007, 11:03:12 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on June 05, 2007, 06:26:07 PM
I saw that article. What happened to Trinity's Mohr? Did he withdraw? [It's not at all earth-shaking, but merely a matter of personal curiosity ....]

My guess is that UIW wanted to make a statement and in their minds a D3 coach, even a very successful one, is not the statement they wanted to make.

Their loss, our gain. 
Good point!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on June 06, 2007, 03:10:43 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2007, 05:59:29 PM
According to the Express-News, UIW announced their three candidates for their football coach opening and none have connections to D3.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA060507.uiw.football.EN.17b9766f.html

Dean Campbell - former defensive backfield coach, Air Force;
Richard Cundiff, former head coach at Texas A&M-Kingsville;
Mike Santiago, former offensive coordinator, Utah State; former head coach at SFA

I'd say Cundiff is probably the front-runner based upon his success at TAMU-Kingsville (52-27 or so) and the fact that that's TAMU-K is in the conference UIW will likely petition to join.  Cundiff stepped down in 2006 after 21 years there, the last seven as head coach (http://www.caller.com/ccct/javelinas/article/0,1641,CCCT_11577_4999028,00.html).   Santiago's tenure as OC for Utah State was a disaster resulting in a mid-season resignation (http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/092506acc.html).  He was 39-27 at SFA.  Campbell has never been a college head coach and is probably listed here so UIW can claim they had D-I coaches interested in the position.

Ron,  Don't count out Dean Campbell.  He is an excellent coach with great ties to Texas High School football and the Texas coaches.  He has recruited Texas for Air Force every since he has been there and was a coach at Tech and I think?? Rice.  (He recruited my son, CruAlum39, and got one of his teammates to go to the Academy as a receiver.  That really took some recruiting considering six passes a game was a big night for the Air Force.  ;D)  He and I spoke about six months ago and he really wants to come back to Texas because of extended family reasons.  I think those Texas ties were what was impressive to the UIW folks.

Cundiff has been working the high school ranks for a head coaching job since his resignation but has yet to find someone to hire him!!

Santiago I don't know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 06, 2007, 07:48:53 AM
Quote from: etg on June 05, 2007, 08:33:47 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: UIW head football coach selection)

Bonzo,
I also noticed the announcement about UIW in the San Antonio Express-News; as usual you seem to have it all analyzed. Must say that I tend to agree with your projection of Richard Cundiff as the likely selection. What I found interesting was that the three top candidates were all a "former" something; no currently active coaches. Just wonder if by "not hiring a coach away from another job" means that they come on-board for less money?

Warren,
What do you think?

Other than what was in the article, I know nothing about any of the candidates. (I live in south-central Pennsylvania, though I'm a native San Antonian and Trinity alum -- permanent exile, you see.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 06, 2007, 02:03:13 PM

Dear Millsaps faithful,

Please disregard Lindy's top 25 pre-season rankings for Division III.  It's probably a misprint.  You'll know why when you see it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 06, 2007, 02:48:54 PM
I haven't seen that number (or lack of a number) for the Millsaps football team but here's an interesting number--the Saints are looking for $600,000 in improvements at Millsaps prior to training camp this year.  While it isn't official that they will have their training camp at Millsaps this year, everyone seems to think that will be the case.

I don't know exactly what the plans are for the $600,000 except for what I read in the newspaper (see link below), but they have moved a tremendous amount of dirt on the practice field and softball field on the north side of the campus.  It should be interesting to see how it all turns out.

Regarding Millsaps recruiting, I've heard from a fairly reliable source that recruiting has gone well.  But, I also know that you don't really know who you have for sure until they actually show up and go to class.  I have gotten a note from Millsaps about Homecoming weekend and Trinity is once again the Homecoming opponent.  It should be a great game and a great atmosphere.

Saints story:  http://www.sunherald.com/306/story/66229.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 07, 2007, 10:40:44 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on June 06, 2007, 02:03:13 PM

Dear Millsaps faithful,

Please disregard Lindy's top 25 pre-season rankings for Division III.  It's probably a misprint.  You'll know why when you see it.

You got my curiosity up so I had to find the Lindy's poll.  I found it on this thread-- http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3803.4800 -- on page 321.

Personally, I loved their poll--Trinity as the preseason #4 and Millsaps unranked.  When it comes to a choice of being overrated or underrated, I think it is always an advantage to be the team that is underrated.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 07, 2007, 11:47:33 AM

The feeling is mutual.  I really didn't want y'all to have the underdog incentive this year.  Although I've campaigned that homefield advantage is overrated, there's no question that Trinity does not play quite as well in Jackson as they do at home, or anywhere for that matter.  There were a couple of blowouts in the years that Trinity was just so vastly superior, but Trinity has gone in there with the better team and either had to win in the last second or lost, going all the way back to 1994.  I'm going to be there again this year, and the Tigers desperately need to be underdogs.  Hopefully, Lindy's is the only publication that is going to list it this way. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 07, 2007, 02:10:15 PM
San-Antonio media reports Trinity coach apparently isn't interested in the United Incarnate Word (UIW) job any Mohr...

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA060707.04C.LOCarea.report.350ce77.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 07, 2007, 04:42:20 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on June 07, 2007, 02:10:15 PM
San-Antonio media reports Trinity coach apparently isn't interested in the United Incarnate Word (UIW) job any Mohr...

Gordon: "any Mohr"?  ::)

That play on words is worthy of some sort of award, I do believe.  It doesn't quite fit the criterion for the Edward Bulwer Lytton ("It was a dark a stormy night") Prize -- but it's darn close.  ;) (It seems you are prepping for another season of covering D3 football.)

P.S. What's with the "United Incarnate Word" thing? Has there been an academic merger of San Antonio venues I didn't notice? With whom did UIW "unite"?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 07, 2007, 08:50:36 PM
U.I.W. = University of the Incarnate Word
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uiw.edu%2Fathletics%2Fimages%2Ffootball-bird%25203.jpg&hash=110057174f3e4d91f1be9c21c4f342772df9820d)
http://www.uiw.edu/athletics/football/index.htm (http://www.uiw.edu/athletics/football/index.htm)

;D



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 09, 2007, 04:05:05 PM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a more intimidating cardinal mascot than UIW's.  That is one surly looking fellow, to the say the least.

If seeing "U. Incarnate Word" on the schedule doesn't put the fear in you, the helmet decal sure will.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on June 09, 2007, 04:11:07 PM
I am new to the forum.  My son is going to be a freshman at DePauw.  I was wondering if anyone had any insight into their incoming recruiting class and what to expect in 2007.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2007, 04:42:11 PM
Quote from: Fripp52 on June 09, 2007, 04:11:07 PM
I am new to the forum.  My son is going to be a freshman at DePauw.  I was wondering if anyone had any insight into their incoming recruiting class and what to expect in 2007.
Welcome aboard Fripp,

You don't know how much fun football can be until you have spent the next four years on the SCAC and other boards of D3Football.com!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2007, 05:08:21 PM
Just four years? No requirement says you have to give up your fandom after your son graduates. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLCALUM83 on June 09, 2007, 05:45:18 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 07, 2007, 08:50:36 PM
U.I.W. = University of the Incarnate Word
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.uiw.edu%2Fathletics%2Fimages%2Ffootball-bird%25203.jpg&hash=110057174f3e4d91f1be9c21c4f342772df9820d)
http://www.uiw.edu/athletics/football/index.htm (http://www.uiw.edu/athletics/football/index.htm)

;D




Quote from: DPU3619 on June 09, 2007, 04:05:05 PM
I'm not sure I've ever seen a more intimidating cardinal mascot than UIW's.  That is one surly looking fellow, to the say the least.

If seeing "U. Incarnate Word" on the schedule doesn't put the fear in you, the helmet decal sure will.

That even beats out the Edgewood Eagle mascot (Edgewood is one of WLC's rivals in the Northern Athletics conference)

http://www.edgewoodcollegeeagles.com/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on June 09, 2007, 10:03:15 PM
Yup  Noone says you have to ever leave!!!! I think this will be my 14th yr..... Holy !!!!! 14 yrs  ...And I still jump up and down at games and my son was done 9 yrs ago
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2007, 05:08:21 PM
Just four years? No requirement says you have to give up your fandom after your son graduates. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 10, 2007, 06:59:43 PM
Quote from: Fripp52 on June 09, 2007, 04:11:07 PM
I am new to the forum.  My son is going to be a freshman at DePauw.  I was wondering if anyone had any insight into their incoming recruiting class and what to expect in 2007.

Welcome aboard.  Just gathering from other posts around the other conference boards here in the past month or so, I think the class has been especially good for Coach Walker in the positions of need.  OL, DL, LB, all seem to be improved with quality youngsters.  I spoke to a couple of the coaches about two weeks before the deadline and they were already pretty pleased with what they'd secured.  That's been almost six weeks ago, however.  Haven't heard anything since the deadline has come and gone.

Coach Long will have a very green defensive core in '07, but I gather there is plenty of quality youth to choose from.  I think the current defensive scheme will help a young secondary along.  Not having Dustin Hertel on the end of the line will sure be a bummer, though.

There are certainly going to be much higher expectations from the offense after last year with Spud Dick a year older, Jeremiah Marks in his last year, and a Big Ten guy calling the plays.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on June 10, 2007, 09:43:33 PM
QuoteJust gathering from other posts around the other conference boards here in the past month or so, I think the class has been especially good for Coach Walker in the positions of need.  OL, DL, LB, all seem to be improved with quality youngsters.  I spoke to a couple of the coaches about two weeks before the deadline and they were already pretty pleased with what they'd secured.  That's been almost six weeks ago, however.  Haven't heard anything since the deadline has come and gone.

Coach Long will have a very green defensive core in '07, but I gather there is plenty of quality youth to choose from.  I think the current defensive scheme will help a young secondary along.  Not having Dustin Hertel on the end of the line will sure be a bummer, though.

There are certainly going to be much higher expectations from the offense after last year with Spud Dick a year older, Jeremiah Marks in his last year, and a Big Ten guy calling the plays.

Only thing I could add---and I think this is important---the DePauw staff did a helluva job recruiting....give them credit. I had a chance to talk a bit more with some coaches in the Indianapolis area...they love what DePauw is doing. I tend to look at the offensive side of the ball---but look at who they got---verty nice jobs. And the new OC will only add to what they are doing...he's a top notch guy...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on June 11, 2007, 10:44:45 AM
DPU3619 and INQBScout - thanks for the info.  I am looking forward to the upcoming season.  I am hoping my son gets some playing time.  It is up to him.  If he does, we will attend all games.  If not, we will go to probably Old Gold and the Wabash game.
Also, what is your relationship to DPU's program ?  I actually am a former alum and player from 80 to 84 football seasons.  I look forward to seeing some former players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 11, 2007, 04:25:41 PM
Posted in the ASC topic last week ... I bring over to this topic for your amazement and amusement (boldface added for emphasis) ... without further comment, I give you ... drumroll, please:

QuoteHere is the top 25 according to Lindys preseason:
1. Mount Union OAC
2. Mary Hardin Baylor  ASC
3. Wisconsin Whitewater  WIAC
4. Trinity (Texas)   SCAC
5. Wesley   ACFC Pool B
6. Hardin-Simmons  ASC
7. St Johns   MIAC
8. Rowan  NJAC
9. Central IIAC
10. Bethel   MIAC
11. Capital  OAC
12. North Central  CCIW
13. St. John Fisher   E8
14. Springfield  E8
15. Wheaton  CCIW
16. Wabash  NCAC
17. Wartburg   IIAC
18. W & J   Pres AC
19. Wilkes  MAC
20. Cal Lutheran   SCIAC
21. Baldwin Wallace  OAC 
22. Alfred  E8
23. Hobart  LL
24. Whitworth   NWC
25. U. W. LaCrosse   WIAC

"Release the hounds ..."
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 11, 2007, 04:41:17 PM
woof
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 11, 2007, 05:40:10 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 11, 2007, 04:25:41 PM
I bring over to this topic for your amazement and amusement

That's a pretty fair estimation of how I felt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on June 11, 2007, 06:09:10 PM
Must be because of #10's healthy return!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 11, 2007, 08:40:11 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Lindy's Preseason Poll has the Trinity Tigers ranked #4)

Historymajor and TigerDad,

I agree with your comment about Baer at RB; although "Texas Football" (The Magizine) mentioned the outstanding strength of all four of the Tiger's top RBs for this year, Baer, Bielski, Moorefield and Plotnick.

Also, I believe Lindy's in doing their major college football coverage must have become aware of Caleb?

                                                                           :)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 11, 2007, 08:54:21 PM
And Caleb is ... ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 11, 2007, 09:30:38 PM
OK, TU insiders ... let's not let all the cats out of the bag so early.  I say we clam up and let the scouts do their own research. I haven't seen the 2007 DCTF edition yet, but I guess I better hunt one down.  I do think the offense is going to have lots of options to mix and match this year.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on June 12, 2007, 09:30:15 AM
Hey Fripp, what position did you play?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on June 12, 2007, 12:55:49 PM
4thandalong4 - I played Inside LB.  We ran a 4-4 back then.  Why do you ask ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on June 12, 2007, 01:59:21 PM
You played for Tim Hreha and Ed Meyer, I am coach Meyer's youngest son, wondered if I remembered you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on June 12, 2007, 02:03:54 PM
hey Fripp, looked at your profile, I know you well, how are things going?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on June 12, 2007, 02:18:07 PM
4thANDaLONG4 - just looked at yours and yes we know each other well.  I think you can send me a private message on this forum as another DPU alum just did that.  Send me your email.
Thomas, my son, is attending DPU this fall and will be playing ball.  I am looking forward to it.  Give your mom and dad my best.  I look forward to catching up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on June 12, 2007, 02:43:52 PM
4thandAlong4,

2 questions for  you:
 
1)  Can I have my Yale hooded sweatshirt back that you swiped?
2)  Do you have Coach Thomas' number, I wanted to check in to that GA job at Valdosta St.?   ;D

Wabash Always Fights!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 12, 2007, 07:25:23 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: More on Lindy's #4 Preseason Ranking for the Trinity Tigers)

TigerDad,

I love it, "let the Cats out of the bag".  You're correct, these "Cats" won't get released for another two-and-a-half months.  I did finally get an actual copy of Lindy's. The featured comments in the magazine to substantiate the #4 ranking for Trinity were actually about the Defense (would you believe--the Black Flag again). Both the Tiger's Offense and Defense have me way-more than ready for this season; Go Tigers Go!

                                                                               :)

                                                                       
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 4thANDaLONG4 on June 12, 2007, 08:15:49 PM
Hey Kelly,
Please email me via my profile, I would very much like to speak with you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 18, 2007, 05:07:46 PM

I just caught the daily dose bit about moving the Stagg Bowl to Texas, which I cannot see as a viable move.  However, when I was in high school Lycoming played Allegheny and Wisc-LaCrosse played W&J in Bradenton, FL.  I know it's far away from any Division III action, but I'm pretty sure there weren't as many snowy, windy championship days down in the peninsula as have been in Salem.  Does anyone know why it was moved?

It seems like all the East Coast/Midwest folk would jump at the chance to head to FL. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 18, 2007, 05:11:18 PM
Attendance didn't bear that out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on June 19, 2007, 12:31:09 PM
Hey guys,
I'm not new to d3football.com, but just re-registered after the post patterns changed.  Has anyone heard any news out of Jackson regarding the Saints continuing thier camp at Millsaps, etc.?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 19, 2007, 04:12:15 PM

The Saints want $600,000 in improvements.  They need an indoor practice facility.  I don't know how you build an indoor facility for $600,000.  That's the last I heard.  Benson is totally soulless, so I would suspect that the deeper Millsaps gets themselves involved with the Saints, the more they'll have to pay up.  The NFL is pretty confident that they can bully pretty much anyone anywhere.  I hope Millsaps doesn't succumb to it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 19, 2007, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on June 19, 2007, 04:12:15 PM

The Saints want $600,000 in improvements.  They need an indoor practice facility.  I don't know how you build an indoor facility for $600,000. 
Steel span construction with top quality siding (http://www.americansteelspan.us/construction.html).

Your building erected on your site by as few as three people in as little as 2 days!  ;)

They have several designs that will pass Mississippi building codes.

I think that it would make tremendous contribution to the campus!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 19, 2007, 10:25:19 PM
Just following up on a topic of much speculation and discussion last month ...

The University of the Incarnate Word (UIW) in San Antonio has announced the hiring of Mike Santiago as their first head coach of their new football team.  Santiago In mid-April, the University announced an NCAA Division II scholarship football program to begin play in the fall of 2009.  At that same time, the University said San Antonio native and New Orleans Saints owner Tom Benson will fund construction of the new Gayle and Tom Benson Fieldhouse in support of the football endeavor.

Most recently, Santiago worked as the offensive coordinator and quarterbacks coach at Utah State University for two seasons. His head coaching experiences were gained during six years as the leader at Stephen F. Austin University of the 1-AA Southland Conference.  In addition to his stints at those two schools, the Arizona native was an assistant at several different schools in Texas and several other states.

source: http://www.uiw.edu/athletics/football/news.html (http://www.uiw.edu/athletics/football/news.html)

Trinity University head football coach Steve Mohr initially expressed some interest in the new UIW program, but did not apply for the job, nor was he contacted by UIW officials.

Two months & eleven days until Kickoff 2007!
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 20, 2007, 10:01:06 AM

An indoor facility could make a huge contribution to the Millsaps campus, but I would be wary about starting what many writers call the "arms race" at the D3 level.  Will everyone who wants to compete in recruiting then have to build an indoor facility?  There's always talk of how the college game gets closer to the pro game every year.  In this case, it does so literally.  I don't think Millsaps has a workout facility similar to that palace at Sewanee or to the Bell Center at Trinity, so if they were to install one of those, I would be in favor of it, but not one just for football.  I would hope that it could be put to use for the whole campus community, which would be difficult at a price of $600,000. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 20, 2007, 12:27:57 PM
I can't shed much light on the Saints and Millsaps except to say that it is almost a certainty that the Saints will return this year but it isn't an official certainty.  My understanding is that the Saints have asked that Millsaps not make any official announcements regarding the training camp so there is really no news coming out of Jackson at this time.

In that early announcement about the $600,000 and the upgrades, I think the wording was "an enclosed practice facility".  I don't know exactly what that means but I think the cost on that was suppose to be about $450,000.

All in all, having the Saints in for the summer does mean a lot of work for a lot of the Millsaps staff but it seems to be worthwhile.  Not only does it help with upgrades on the facilities, but the incoming freshman class has really jumped in size compared to the typical class of the last few years.  I'm sure these students aren't coming to Millsaps totally because of the Saints, but they might have been more aware of Millsaps because of the Saints.

For anyone who is interested, there are 3 videos on YouTube (www.youtube.com) from the 2006 training camp.  Just search on "Saints Millsaps" and it should pull up those videos.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on June 20, 2007, 02:11:39 PM
Regarding Millsaps and Freshmen...I know that Millsaps has a tremendous amount of Freshmen coming in this next year.  Thus far, including all the commitments to Millsaps for this up-coming freshmen class, the travel team (in conference) will have to leave 69 footall players in Jackson, so that will put next years squad at a little over 120.  From what I understand, people that may have started last year might not have the opportunity to do so this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 20, 2007, 03:34:06 PM

If their freshmen are that much better than the upperclassmen, I would have to think that does not bode well for Millsaps.  Whoever is telling you that may be a little too fired up. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on June 20, 2007, 04:14:34 PM
I personally think it is terrific.  I receive my information from the Coaches and players, and they are typically very level headed. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 20, 2007, 04:54:30 PM

Did they say how many freshmen they expect to start? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gogetit9 on June 21, 2007, 01:07:58 AM
I got my hands on the DePauw freshman list so I thought I'd join the board, I don't think there are all here so if you know of someone I'm missing let me know.  The list I have does not have position so I googled a bunch of them but got tired of that process so its the best I can do.  I though I would share the info with the masses:

Curtis Moore-Valley View HS, OH (RB)
Burris Smith-Holland Hall HS, OK (QB(ath)
Mark Kreuzman-Batesville HS, IN (OL)
Josh Sturek-Carmel HS, IN (LB)
Tyler Doane-Valparaiso HS, IN   (DL)
Shawn Cook-Bloomington South HS, IN   
Caleb Church-North Montgomery HS, IN(DL)
Thomas Hunter-Cincinnati Hills HS, OH   
Chris Scarver-Licking Heights HS, OH(WR)
Mike Engl-eTerre Haute South HS, IN(QB)
Kyle Sattison-Carmel HS, IN(OL)
Ryne Weppler-Mt. Vernon HS, IN(QB)
Adam Hawkins-Holland Hall HS, OK   
Jake Fisher-John Burroughs HS, MO(LB)
Mitchell Willsey-Franklin Central HS, IN      
Tim Himrod-Evanston HS, IL(WR)
Nijeil Anthony-Anderson HS, IN(DB)
Brandon Butler-Columbus North HS, IN(WR)
Derrick Karazsia-Greensburg HS, IN(QB)
Mike Mattli-Fort Zumwalt West HS, MO(LB)
Mikey Hemkens-Chaminade HS, MO   
Paul DePoy-Niles HS   , MI(OL)
John Brickson-Shawnee Mission East HS, KS   
Andy Smith-North Putnam HS, IN   
Brayden Dahlstrom-North Putnam HS, IN(QB)
James Foglton-Lincoln-Way Central HS, IL   
Adam Hill-Lake Central HS, IN(P)
Colin Doran-Martinsville HS, IN(WR)
Nate Evans-North Montgomery HS, IN   
Jake Duguid-Brebeuf HS, IN(K)
Victor Oditah-Arlington HS, IN(WR)
Jordan Havercamp-Carmel HS, IN(K)
Chip Johnson-Bloomington North HS, IN(DL)
Grep Sevastianos-Brebeuf HS, IN(LB)
Christopher Anderson-Northwest HS, IN(DL)
Alex Koors-Cathedral HS, IN(WR)
Zach Sheppard-Heritage Christian HS, IN   
Luis Paulino-Westinghouse HS, NY(FB)
Bear Packnett-John Burroughs HS, MO(RB)
Casey Luther-Lincoln-Way East HS, IL(TE)
Andrew Bryson-Dunbar HS, KY(OL)
Ian Perez-Los Alamitos HS, CA(LB)
PJ Gbur-Lake Central HS, IN(QB)
Thomas Wrona-Easton Area HS, PA(LB)
Tyler James-La Porte HS, IN(OL)
Alex Barden-Anderson HS, OH   
Matt DeRose-Bishop Chatard HS, IN(OL)
Ryan Woodard-Holland Hall HS, OK   
Steve Wojanis-Saint Francis Prep HS, IL(LB)
Ryan Preuss-Zionsville HS, IN   
Reuben Patino-Eastern HS, MI(DB)
Colin Hertel-Shawnee Mission East HS, KS   
Jordan Lambert-Seymour HS, IN(LB)
Thomas Moore-Jesuit HS, FL(LB)
Sean Wooding-Mooresville HS, IN   
Nate O'Neal-North Montgomery HS, IN   
Andrew Priem-Northridge HS, IN(DL)
Justin Hacker-Cloverdale HS, IN   
Cole Brady-North Montgomery HS, IN   
Ryan Huffman-Carmel HS, IN(DL)
Jon Lambert-Batesville HS, IN(DB)
Gregory Bean-Rye HS, NY(DL)
Andrew Newberry-Brentwood HS, MO   
Alex Bailey-Whiteland HS, IN   
Mark Branigan-Cathedral HS, IN(TE)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 21, 2007, 09:50:40 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on June 20, 2007, 03:34:06 PM

If their freshmen are that much better than the upperclassmen, I would have to think that does not bode well for Millsaps.  Whoever is telling you that may be a little too fired up. 

That logic seems backwards.  With most of their starters returning from a team that went undefeated in the SCAC, it would bode very well for Millsaps IF some of the incoming players are better than the returning starters.

However, keep in mind how much Millsaps struggled at the beginning of last season while the players were trying to learn the new systems.  These new players will have to get acclimated into the system before they can really contribute and that won't happen overnight.  At the very least, I think the new players will add much needed depth to the team and time will tell if they are strong enough to take the starting unit to a higher level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on June 21, 2007, 10:00:25 AM
Regarding the DPU recruits, anyone have any insight to these kids ?  Seems like a large class.  Hope there is quality in there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 21, 2007, 10:03:55 AM
Quote from: gogetit9 on June 21, 2007, 01:07:58 AM
Mark Kreuzman-Batesville HS, IN (OL)

I didn't even know there was a little Kreuzy.  His brother Scott was in the middle of that pretty good OL a couple years back.

Quote from: gogetit9 on June 21, 2007, 01:07:58 AM
Bear Packnett-John Burroughs HS, MO(RB)

What a great football name, that one there.  I'm already scared of him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on June 21, 2007, 10:49:34 AM
No real word as to how many Millsaps Freshmen are expected to start.  I simply know it is a the strongest class the college has seen in years.  Like Frank was saying, it will take time for them to adjust to the new offensive and defensive schemes, so I think we could expect those that are good enough to play to immediately start on special teams and then trickle into rotation by the third game or so. 
As far as DePauw's freshemen list goes...DePauw ALWAYS has a good recruiting class and always repalces physical athletes with physical athletes.  They are probably the best in the SCAC at playing pure "smash mouth" football.  Based on my expreience, I would expect DePauw's freshmen class to be pretty strong.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 21, 2007, 11:08:45 AM

Frank,

I didn't realize that most of the team was returning, but I had considered that possibility.  Those guys no doubt played their guts out for that championship and may have been playing over their heads a bit.  To bench the returnees would be pretty bad for team morale I think.  If you've got better players, fine.  But normally you don't start looking at the freshmen as starters unless you don't like what you have already.  I don't see how you can say that kind of stuff as a coach until you've seen the guys on the field together.  That's all I was saying.   

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 21, 2007, 11:51:17 AM
TU2698, I think you and I probably feel the same way and you make some very good points.  I hope that what Millsaps will have is more depth so guys can rotate in and out without a dropoff.  In that situation, the returning players would usually start but the younger guys might get almost as much time if it is deserved.

I think last year the offensive line was the same 5 guys playing just about every play.  That unit loses Connell Phillips at center, a big loss, but the rest return.  It would be nice if those guys got some rest during the game with some additional depth either from the returning group or the incoming group.  The same could be said for most areas on the team.

Of the other seniors from 2006, the biggest loss was obviously Chris Jackson who seems to be making a good impression in the Steeler's mini-camps.  There were 3 or 4 others who played and contributed but most of the key figures will be returning in 2007. 

As for playing over their heads in 2006, I know what you are saying but I would phrase it a little different.  I think they played very well at the right times and I think they benefitted from lower expectations by opposing teams and a very good schedule.  In the case of Centre, DePauw and Trinity, all of the games were played at Millsaps and I think all three teams underestimated Millsaps.  When you look at the 2005 season and the 128 points allowed in the first 3 games, it's easy to understand why.  No one will underestimate Millsaps this year and they will have to be an improved team if they want to repeat.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 21, 2007, 12:00:36 PM

Good call. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 21, 2007, 01:28:49 PM

Hey DePauw folk or anyone in Indiana,

I heard on the radio this morning that Peyton Manning was allowed to have his family present at the Colts' Award ceremony but that other players were not and that they are pretty burned up about him getting the preferential treatment.  I can't find any stories about it, though.  Do y'all know anything about this? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 21, 2007, 09:21:23 PM
I don't believe any of the local media has picked up on that one, TU2698.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on June 22, 2007, 03:01:37 AM
Jackson's Clarion-Ledger reports today that Millsaps College will host the New Orleans Saints pre-season camp for the second consecutive year.  Players will report to Millsaps on July 25; first practice is slated for the morning of July 27. 

Although neither Saints officials nor school officials are reporting the terms of the agreement, rest assured that Millsaps is the big winner here.  The lower practice field is currently under renovation and will provide the College with its second NFL quality grass playing surface.  This new field will actually be the third NFL quality field on campus.  The game field is Sprinturf, which is the same surface that the Saints play on in the Dome.  The other grass field is on the upper field, where soccer used to hold their contests.  Soccer matches are now played on Harper Davis field. 

As for the indoor facility, I imagine that a permanent structure will not be built unless the Saints reach a long term deal with Millsaps.  The upper practice field would be an ideal place for it as there is plenty of room.  But it would be a massive project, and the College would need to have some permanent use of the building in the form of a larger recreational facility or maybe an indoor pool.   Plus, baseball and softball could practice indoors on artifical grass during the rainy cold winter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mark Hengel on June 23, 2007, 01:11:06 PM
So, here is a little food for thought: How might Hendrix College's entry into the SCAC football mix affect things?

As a Hendrix grad, I think it's a good idea. However, I know my school doesn't have much of an athletic reputation, so I'm not expecting many conference titles. I think it is interesting that the SCAC is trying to recruit Hendrix as the 10th school to play the sport. Seven schools played last year, and Colorado College and Birmingham Southern will both schlep their programs into the league next season. Based on talks I've had with some friends at Hendrix, neither Oglethorpe or Southwestern want anything to do with football.

I think having 10 teams in a conference will make competition more fun. I'm guessing the league will split into two divisions, which will allow for a title game of some sort, hopefully. I just wanted to see what others had to say. I also like the idea of spending Saturdays watching the Hendrix football team. The school has made a lot of improvements to the campus, and the most noticeable improvements are to athletic facilities. The football team will play on a year-old field turf field that backs up to the nearly-complete Wellness and Activity Center. It's a really nice set up and should lend itself to spectator sports. The field's only downside is the track surrounding it. Tracks are always a bummer because they push spectators away from the action. But oh well, not everything can be perfect.

here's a link to some material Hendrix has posted on its Web site:

http://www.hendrix.edu/eventsnews/eventsnews.aspx?id=10644

The administration is trying to calm Hendrix's notoriously fickle student body. Many of my friends say the students hate the idea of our school returning to the gridiron.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 23, 2007, 03:52:19 PM
Welcome to the board, Mark.  Thanks for the Hendrix links.  As we covered earlier on this and other boards, Hendrix is probably needing students.  I have heard that the Walton (Wal Mart family) honors scholarships to UArkansas are really hurting the small lilberal arts colleges in the state.

The division issue is a quirky thing in D3 football.  The regular season is only 11 weeks long.  DePauw has its Monon Bell that weekend and would probably campaign against the vote.

Two five team divisions:

Four intradivisional games.

Who fills the other six weekends?  The practical answer is that you probably end up playing a "SCAC" divisional opponent, whom you would have played anyway.  Which two or three "non-SCAC" teams do you really want to play anyway?  DePauw? The Monon Bell game is most important.

The championship game would likely occur in the 11th week and it would give another in-region loss to a school that has a good chance at a Pool C bid, in turn knocking the Pool C bid chances, probably out of the realm of playoff possiblities.

Losing the 11th week for 8 SCAC schools makes scheduling the 10th game harder.

Good off-season discussion points.  I know that we in the ASC have heard of a investigation for football as Concordia-Austin, that Schreiner played football in the past and that UT-Tyler could start football in a heartbeat.  What that would do to the ASC is anyone's guess.

Any other thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 23, 2007, 04:24:21 PM
There is no 10th game. Like in Division I-A, you need 12 teams in your conference to play a football title game that doesn't count against your limit.

If the SCAC went to a championship game model, member schools could only play nine games, then the championship game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 23, 2007, 07:30:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 23, 2007, 04:24:21 PM
There is no 10th game. Like in Division I-A, you need 12 teams in your conference to play a football title game that doesn't count against your limit.

If the SCAC went to a championship game model, member schools could only play nine games, then the championship game.
Thanks!
My bad...  That is why the NEFC works.  They have more than 12.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 24, 2007, 09:33:04 AM
I would hate to see Hendrix or OU or SW take up football.  I like the idea that everyone plays everyone to determine the championship and right now that still leaves two slots for other games.  You need those two slots for a rival game plus the opportunity to play one more game that might fit a special need (a travel game, a chance to improve your national recognition, etc.).  While two slots might not be enough in some cases, five slots would be a problem to fill year after year.

Also, in an unrelated subject brought up by Consultant, I drove by the Millsaps lower practice field yesterday and they have it totally covered with sod.  It's amazing how quickly they have done the work on that area and it is a real plus for the Millsaps campus.  After the Saints are gone the softball team will have a much improved playing field (level and vastly improved drainage on the third base side), the students will have a much better area for intramurals and afternoon pickup sports, and it gives Millsaps more flexability in hosting events such as soccer tournaments or all-star games since this gives another full size field. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 24, 2007, 11:03:40 AM
Yeah, i thought you needed 12 football members to get a champ game that doesn't count against the 10 game regular season. Thus, the only option would be to divide into two 5 team divisions, play the 4 other teams in your divisions, play 1 permanant team from the other division, and 2 rotated teams from the other division, for a total of 7 conference games, thus you could still have 2 non-conference games. Yet, do the SCAC football members that don't get to the champ game want to only play 9 football games per year? The other option would be to just not play one member, 8 conference games and 2 non-conf games, probably be what would happen. The other issue would be the long rumored but never happened departure of Oglethorpe, would they be replaced by a football school? and would that pressure southwestern to add football?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 24, 2007, 12:25:40 PM
The conference could set up a plan wherein the other teams not playing in Week 11 play a crossover game with similar non-playoff teams from the other division. In most cases that wouldn't be a problem but in the SCAC that could be expensive for travel purposes.

The way to defeat that would be to do what the UMAC does and bring everyone to one neutral site for that weekend, culminating in the title game. That way schools can plan and budget their travel.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 24, 2007, 01:20:43 PM
The SCAC brings all of the conference together for the winter and spring championships.  I do not see why it would not be different for football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 24, 2007, 01:58:35 PM
Well, from a logistical standpoint it's problematic. How many venues can you put five consecutive football games in? That's at least 16 hours of football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on June 24, 2007, 04:56:03 PM
Street and Smith's Preseason Top 25...has Millsaps #15.

Includes a nice write up about Coach Dubose who says, "Absolutely, our ultimate goal is to win the national championship."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 24, 2007, 05:09:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 24, 2007, 01:58:35 PM
Well, from a logistical standpoint it's problematic. How many venues can you put five consecutive football games in? That's at least 16 hours of football.
I was thinking about that when I wrote that.  The UMAC did it last year.  They started at 9am and finished with the Championship kickoff at 9pm on Friday Oct 27th.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on June 24, 2007, 05:59:06 PM
Not that I'm in love with the idea of such a large conference, but you could host such a tournament at Millsaps, (Harper David Field - Sprint Turf, and play games concurrently at Newell Stadium - Sprint Turf - which is one block from the college).  Both fields are lit, and game could start later in the day.  The same could be said for Trinity if one could gain permission to use the stadium that is just off campus (the Alamo stadium is it?).  Anyhow, I don't know how I would feel about such a large conference.  Playing everyone makes the true champion legitimate, and also leaves rooms for other programs that might have 1 loss to get into the play-offs.  I prefer the idea of the SCAC sending as many teams to the DIII tournament as possible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 24, 2007, 07:21:41 PM
Well, i think all of this speculation is for not. I just remembered  the ACC trying to get the NcAA to allow leagues with less than 12 teams to divide into divisions and get a champ game and that idea didn't pass so a 10 football league scac isn't gonna get to divide into divisions and have a champ game. My guess is if hendrix adds football, the league will still just play 8 games, didn't think they will bump it up to 9, so you'd miss playing somebody.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: WLU78 on June 25, 2007, 03:53:53 PM
Anybody have any idea why Sewanee has only 9 games showing on their website for the 2007 season?  Also, are they turning west by dropping W&L and HSC?

Just curious.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 25, 2007, 09:31:38 PM
Since they have to travel to Colorado Springs to take on CC it may be that they didn't have the travel budget for a tenth game and could not get anyone else to travel to the Domain. 

They only have four away games, you'll note. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 25, 2007, 09:41:38 PM
A posting on the ASC board reminded me, it's time for the annual posting of the NACDA Directors' Cup (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/d3finalrelandstand.pdf) standings for SCAC schools:

15.  DePauw - 547
49.  Trinity - 331.5
113. Rhodes - 169.5
115. Colorado College - 164
150. Southwestern - 130
175. Oglethorpe - 100
182. Centre - 93.5
193. Austin - 79.5
289. Millsaps - 25

Congrats to DePauw on an outstanding athletic season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 26, 2007, 12:09:38 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 25, 2007, 09:31:38 PM
Since they have to travel to Colorado Springs to take on CC it may be that they didn't have the travel budget for a tenth game and could not get anyone else any like-minded institutions to travel to the Domain. 

Corrected. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 26, 2007, 12:14:25 AM
C'mon Pat, this IS the SCAC we're talking about, doesn't that go without saying??   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 26, 2007, 09:53:25 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 25, 2007, 09:41:38 PM
A posting on the ASC board reminded me, it's time for the annual posting of the NACDA Directors' Cup (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/d3finalrelandstand.pdf) standings for SCAC schools:

15.  DePauw - 547
49.  Trinity - 331.5
113. Rhodes - 169.5
115. Colorado College - 164
150. Southwestern - 130
175. Oglethorpe - 100
182. Centre - 93.5
190.  South - 90
193. Austin - 79.5
289. Millsaps - 25

Congrats to DePauw on an outstanding athletic season!

As I review the table, only Hendrix did not make an NCAA post-season appearance this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on June 26, 2007, 12:09:36 PM
Bonzo.....

Director's                                      SCAC President's
Rank School    pts                         Rank      pts

15.    DePauw - 547                      1.         855
49.    Trinity - 331.5                       2.         850
113.  Rhodes - 169.5                     3.         685
115.  Colorado College - 164        11.        245
150.  Southwestern - 130              6.         515
175.  Oglethorpe - 100                   8.        362.5
182.  Centre - 93.5                         4.        667.5
193.  Austin - 79.5                          9.        330
289.  Millsaps - 25                          7.        367.5
         Sewanee                               5.        525
         Hendrix                                  10.      297.5                                 

I'm not sure where DPU 'earned' all those extra points over TU in the national rankings...  obviously they 'participate' in other sports...  not sure which???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 26, 2007, 12:12:12 PM
I think you misunderstand what the national rankings measure.

They measure NCAA Tournament performance.

The presidents cup doesn't that that into account at all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 26, 2007, 12:54:00 PM
Quote from: historymajor on June 26, 2007, 12:09:36 PM
I'm not sure where DPU 'earned' all those extra points over TU in the national rankings...  obviously they 'participate' in other sports...  not sure which???

I am personally shocked that you would float another conspiracy theory. 

If you actually understood the Director's Cup, you could potentially wrap your mind around the concept that winning national titles and making appearances in multiple championships would, in theory (of course), make that number go up. 

You know, like basketball (both men's and women's, for clarity)...or soccer...or softball...or even tennis, really.  Those were the ones DePauw was 'participating' in.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on June 26, 2007, 02:10:43 PM
I see, said the blind man, as he picked up his hammer and saw!

That makes sense.....  Trinity had an unusually poor showing in NCAA playoffs, missing baseball and football for sure...

Congrats to DPU..... we'll reload and see you'all in the fall!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on June 28, 2007, 10:13:23 PM
DePauw had Liz Bondi.  Trinity did not.

I think that pretty much sums up the difference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 29, 2007, 08:39:56 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on June 28, 2007, 10:13:23 PM
DePauw had Liz Bondi.  Trinity did not.

I think that pretty much sums up the difference.

I don't know if that was the total difference, but what a year Liz Bondi had in basketball and tennis.  My guess is that she had the best single year performance in SCAC history with the D3 Female Athlete of the Year Award, the national championship in tennis singles, and All-American honors on the national championship basketball team.  Can anyone think of another SCAC athlete, male or female, who achieved equal success in a single season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 29, 2007, 10:02:15 AM
Wow ... what an impressive student-athlete is Liz Bondi ... congratulations to her!

Bondi named the Division III Athlete of the Year

June 15, 2007 Greencastle, Ind. - Following a year in which she won an individual national championship in tennis and was an all-American forward on the national championship basketball team, DePauw's Liz Bondi has been named the Honda Division III Collegiate Woman Athlete of the Year.

The honor was based on the results of national balloting among Division III schools as part of the Collegiate Women Sports Awards program, now in its 31st year. Bondi will be presented the Honda Sports Award (see http://awards.honda.com/?p=15 (http://awards.honda.com/?p=15)) at a ceremony at Columbia University in New York City on June 25.

"It's an incredible honor to be selected as the Division III Athlete of the Year," Bondi said. "I was fortunate to win an individual national tennis championship and also be part of a basketball team which won our school's first national team tile. Without my coaches, Scott Riggle and Kris Huffman, I couldn't have reached these levels and certainly couldn't have won this award."

Bondi was nominated in the sport of women's tennis after capturing the NCAA Division III singles championship and earning Senior of the Year honors from the Intecollegiate Tennis Association. She finished her tennis career as a four-time all-America selection in both singles and doubles.

In addition to her outstanding tennis career, Bondi was the leading scorer and rebounder on this year's Division III national champion basketball squad. The Kodak/Women's Basketball Coaches Association First Team All-America choice was also the most outstanding player at the Division III Women's Basketball finals.

American Honda Motor Co., Inc. sponsors the Collegiate Women Sports Awards Program.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.depauw.edu%2Fphotos%2FPhotoDB_Repository%2F2007%2F5%2Fcustom%2Fbondincaachamp072-204x295.jpg&hash=1c4d0feeb601c7779899b25137b9b29b974c2321)    (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fawards.honda.com%2Fimages%2Fcontent%2F2007%2Fdiv_3_winner.jpg&hash=9e7aa215c97245a1f90b4a547f2ee6a1afca7ba9)

source: http://www.depauw.edu/ath/index.asp?id=19612 (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/index.asp?id=19612)

UPDATE:
Here's the one-minute "Presenting the 2007 Honda Award Winners" CSTV show on YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmUTMd6Ldo8 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmUTMd6Ldo8)

... now THAT's what we love about Division III athletics.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 03, 2007, 02:19:52 PM
Less than two months until Kickoff 2007 ... when are we gonna be there?  :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 11, 2007, 04:41:24 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Today's Trinity Football Magic Numbers; 30, 52, 108, 122)

TigerDad,
The Tiger's Magic Football Numbers for Today:

30 days until team report date.
52 days until Game 1 (ETBU--away).
108 days until Tigers beat Millsaps (my very early line---Tigers by 17).
122 days until Tigers regain SCAC Football Championship (prediction: Regular Season 10-0; SCAC 8-0).


                                                                            :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 11, 2007, 05:11:46 PM

Mmmm.  Don't say things like that.  If everyone stays healthy, Trinity has a shot at 10-0, but the gap between them and the SCAC has been narrowed severely.  TU just doesn't have the size or speed of years past.  Gone are the days of showing up and winning.  The Tigers will have to earn every win like they did last year, and there can't be any lethargic performances.  Jackson has always been a tough place to win.  I expect nothing different this year.  If 10-0 is the outcome, that will be something special.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 11, 2007, 06:15:08 PM



"Something special"; let it be.                     :)           


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 11, 2007, 07:10:37 PM
Am I correct when I see that Trinity plays Millsaps in Jackson for the second straight year? 

Why is that, exactly?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 11, 2007, 07:13:11 PM
The conference added 2 new members, B-SC and Colorado College.  Therefore, the schedules needed to be changed to accommodate the new members.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on July 11, 2007, 07:37:30 PM
Ahhhhh.... roadtrips to DPU and MC....  W's there couldn't be sweeter!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 11, 2007, 09:02:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 11, 2007, 07:13:11 PM
The conference added 2 new members, B-SC and Colorado College.  Therefore, the schedules needed to be changed to accommodate the new members.

I guess.  Although one would think that they could do that without having the game that decided the SCAC be played on the same team's home turf the next year.

Not that I'm upset by it or anything.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 12, 2007, 09:33:23 AM
El Tea Gray has Trinity going from a 22 point loss to Millsaps in 2006 to a 17 point win in 2007--an improvement of 39 points.  That's not quite the 63 point improvement Millsaps showed from 2005 to 2006, going from a 0-41 loss to a 34-12 win, but it's a bold prediction.

My only prediction about Millsaps is that they will be a better team in 2007.  Last year's team was talented but they lacked depth.  In the Trinity game they were down to their 3rd string running back, a freshman who first saw significant action the previous week against Rhodes.  With about 50-60 new players coming in this season and with very few seniors lost from last year's team, depth shouldn't be a problem in 2007.

Also, this will be the second year under Coach DuBose and the system won't be totally new for the players.  Millsaps probably peaked last year with the DePauw game as the team was healthy and fairly comfortable with the new system.  It seemed to me that their overall played dropped in the last 4 games vs. Sewanee, Rhodes, Trinity and Carnegie Mellon.  I hope the team can start this season at the same level they were at when they played against DePauw and then build on that as the season progresses.  If they can do that then they have a great shot at a great season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on July 12, 2007, 10:32:10 AM
Wow, a very sleepy board awakens.  Thanks El Tea Gray for shocking a board that hasn't seen a post since prior to July 4th.  Obviously you are into very bold predictions.  So too am I.  Here is my bold prediction.  You were drunk when you made your post.  Trinity by 17 over the Majors?  Trinity sweeps the SCAC?  Trinity sweeps their schedule?  Is it feasible that a credible human being like yourself could have possibly been "drunk typing" at 4:41 p.m. yesterday?  I'm not sure which is more pragmatic, a drunk man sweatily typing away at his computer making Nostradamus-esque predictions, or Trinity sweeping such a competitive conference?  Somebody alert the Captain, El Tea Gray has gone overboard. 
Here are my predictions:  A tough conference with Trinity, DePauw, and Millsaps somewhere near the top.  BSC finishes dead last.  Any questions?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 12, 2007, 12:17:29 PM

It's not so outrageous that he might pick them to do that.  Every person returning is used to long win streaks.  The two really tough games in my opinion will be ETBU and Millsaps.  It would be tough for Trinity to not be flat after steamrolling them last year, and I've heard that ETBU is pretty fast.  You know they will be fired up.  Millsaps for obvious reasons.  Trinity should win the rest of their games, but if they are flat for any of them, especially on the road, they could drop an extra one.  If Trinity gets fixated on the Millsaps game too early, it could be a pretty bad season, but I think you might see Mohr's best job ever this year if Baer can really emerge.  We will see how much of a difference Allen made.  He was awesome.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 12, 2007, 12:24:19 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on July 12, 2007, 12:17:29 PM
The two really tough games in my opinion will be ETBU and Millsaps. 

You go right ahead and look past 10/13 in Greencastle  :)  That's fine by me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 12, 2007, 01:16:18 PM

I guess I did forget that one, but I'll be honest with you.  Personally, my interest in that game has waned quite a bit for a few reasons- obviously there's the coaching turnover and the subpar season last year, but it seems to me that Trinity is in DePauw's heads.  I don't think it will be easy, but I definitely think that's a game that Trinity should win.  The other two games are going to really put their backs to the wall.  Of course, I can say that because I'm not playing.  I'm pretty sure that Mohr will have them ready.  I guess we'll find out a lot about DePauw this year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 12, 2007, 01:21:41 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on July 12, 2007, 01:16:18 PM

I guess I did forget that one, but I'll be honest with you.  Personally, my interest in that game has waned quite a bit for a few reasons- obviously there's the coaching turnover and the subpar season last year, but it seems to me that Trinity is in DePauw's heads. 

Part of that subpar season was a game that was four failed red zone trips away from being a different outcome in San Antonio.  Wouldn't want you to forget that, now.  Plus it was all of a 1 point game the last trip to Greencastle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 12, 2007, 01:59:32 PM

4 failed red zone trips are not a fluke.  Not after blowing a 13 point lead with 5 minutes left the year before and that after a snap over the punter's head gave up the deciding points in 03.  That's choking instead of closing the deal.  I think DePauw has figured out how to do that. 

Man, I really don't want to show any bad blood.  My honest take is that Trinity is in DePauw's head.  The Greencastle Tigers are going to have to blow Trinity out to beat them. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 12, 2007, 02:32:51 PM
The ETBU game is an interesting pick as one of the two toughest games on the TU schedule.  I guess the logic is that TU beat Millsaps 41-0 in 2005 and then lost in 2006, so maybe ETBU will bounce back from their 41-0 loss in 2006 for a victory. :)

Last year Millsaps jumped out to a 28-0 1st quarter lead on Sewanee and then got outplayed the rest of the game.  Last year Millsaps needed a 4th quarter interception returned for a touchdown to beat Rhodes 14-6, a game that ended with Rhodes just shy of the goal line.  My point is that football in the SCAC is starting to look like men's basketball in the SCAC with more strength in the league from top to bottom.  It's going to take a lot of talent, focus, and maybe a bit of good luck to go undefeated in the SCAC in 2007.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 12, 2007, 04:06:05 PM

What the rock?  I had almost balanced my karma by being good for the last few months and then I lose a point? 

I don't know how all that stuff works, but let me at least break even by the start of the season.   :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on July 12, 2007, 04:21:36 PM
Thought this was an interesting read regarding the Saints decision to return to Millsaps this year for training camp.  Helps one to weed through some of the rumors and motives.

http://neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3497
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 12, 2007, 05:01:41 PM
Thanks for the link to the Saint's story--it will be interesting to see just how big the crowds are after the success of last season.  For those who are interested, I have 3 YouTube videos of the 2006 training camp.  You can find them at the following link:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=saints+training+millsaps&search=Search
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 12, 2007, 07:31:26 PM
Quote from: exmajor on July 12, 2007, 04:21:36 PM
Thought this was an interesting read regarding the Saints decision to return to Millsaps this year for training camp.  Helps one to weed through some of the rumors and motives.

http://neworleanssaints.com/newsroomarticle.cfm?articleid=3497
+1 exmajor, that looks like a win-win-win for the Saints, their fans and Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 12, 2007, 07:57:22 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity's "C-factor")

TU2698 and Frank,
Are you figuring into the equation the Tiger's new offensive "C-factor" for this year. TigerDad and History will go ape if I say more until report date; I do really expect "something special".  Also, the Black Flag (with it's added coaching) should hold the opposition's scoring way-way-down. Ferric, just hide and watch; please, please. Viva Lindy's.

                                                    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on July 12, 2007, 11:11:31 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on July 12, 2007, 04:06:05 PM

What the rock?  I had almost balanced my karma by being good for the last few months and then I lose a point? 

I don't know how all that stuff works, but let me at least break even by the start of the season.   :'(

I'll help you out - and when you speak of me, speak well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 13, 2007, 10:16:27 AM

I just went over the numbers with a cpa from Wabash, and it looks like the C-factor accounted for all of 38 yards in his one appearance before getting hurt.  That particular CPA is the best in the business, so I trust him.  I did see Chris play a little bit as a freshman, and I know that he's highly touted and a good student/person, but I'm not ready to shower him with football praise until he produces week after week.  I sure hope he does.  As effective as the backups were last year with no game breaking ability, I think the Tigers are a great back away from the scoring power they need. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on July 13, 2007, 01:17:35 PM
One last thing on the training camp at Millsaps from ESPN.  This is hilarious and proves these guys do not put a lot of effort behind some of their articles.  Scroll down to the Saints section and read for yourself.  Most people know that the campus is not that big, 100 acres I believe, and the compliants about walking are a little off base.  Try using a campus like Texas A&M if you want to complain about walking.  Secondly, Vicksburg is not a few hours away from Jackson, in fact I know firsthand one can make the trip in about 45 minutes because there was many a night we piled in the car for it.

I also read the Texans camp preview being from Houston and living here now and it is lame as well!

Just a funny read about the NFL and ESPN's lack of attention to detail as we countdown the start of DIII football.

http://sports.espn.go.com/travel/news/story?id=2933362
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorWear on July 13, 2007, 02:37:28 PM
Quote from: etg on July 12, 2007, 07:57:22 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity's "C-factor")

TU2698 and Frank,
Are you figuring into the equation the Tiger's new offensive "C-factor" for this year. TigerDad and History will go ape if I say more until report date; I do really expect "something special".  Also, the Black Flag (with it's added coaching) should hold the opposition's scoring way-way-down. Ferric, just hide and watch; please, please. Viva Lindy's.

                                                    :)


I'm assuming that the "C-factor" you are referring to is the WR that transferred in from TX A&M... His older brother played at Trinity a short while ago... Supposedly the kid can fly... am I on the mark here... Sorry to let the cat out of the bag... ooops, I mean Tiger out of the bag...  :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 14, 2007, 06:11:18 AM
Wow, the board did pick up a little this week, didn't it?!

Apparently there may be a couple of 'C-factors' this season for the TU Tigers ... I believe the men will have some O skills this year that may rival the Tigers of old.  Reporting Day is less than a month away now and hopefully the guys are not playing Wii or PS3 ... when instead they should be hitting the weight room and the green between the lines.  I look forward to seeing which players break out this fall.  C's and B's and lots of other letters!

This will be the first year in many that Trinity will not be returning champs and the reasons are many and already detailed.  That changes the dynamic drastically and leads to a chance to do something new this season ... RECLAIM the SCAC instead of defend it.  This will require a curious mix of dedication, skill, teamwork, heart, and a bit of luck now and again.  Since the football ain't round, you never know which way it will bounce! 

With my own eyes I have seen late-season defeat & disappointment bury deep into young men and emerge as determination & desire in the next campaign.  The will to win is something to behold.  Seven weeks from today we'll get our first look at the 2007 Trinity Tigers. 

Ah, patience, my friends, patience ... it will be here and gone before we know it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2007, 06:27:29 AM
Quote from: MajorWear on July 13, 2007, 02:37:28 PM
...
I'm assuming that the "C-factor" you are referring to is the WR that transferred in from TX A&M... His older brother played at Trinity a short while ago... Supposedly the kid can fly...
Will C-factor run track at Trinity?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 14, 2007, 03:41:18 PM
Nothing like putting pressure on a transfer by deeming him the savior of the team.  By next week he will be the preseason favorite to win the 2007 SCAC Offensive POTY.  I'm just going to guess that the "C-factor" is Chris Caflisch based on the fact that he is from San Antonio, he was an outstanding high school player, and he was a redshirted WR at Texas A&M last year (http://www.aggieathletics.com/bios.php?SID=MFB&PID=7852&YOS=2007).

If he is transferring to Trinity then it sounds like it will be a great addition but aren't people going a little overboard by keeping the name a secret.  It sounds like a Harry Potter book and "he who's name can not be mentioned."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 14, 2007, 04:14:32 PM
If it is this kid ... 4.4 speed, yeah he'd be a welcome addition.  But he is still shown on the Ag's 2007 roster. 

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/hssports/football/stories/MYSA122505.3N.HS.FBHcaflisch.ddff291.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 14, 2007, 07:14:05 PM
Wow, if that guy really does have 4.4 speed, that really would be a big catch for the Tigers!  If that were the guy.  I think the mystery might be more fun than the truth.  Gives us something to do in the off-season, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 15, 2007, 10:14:17 AM
TU ex Dustin Allen had three tackles in today's 23-20 OT win over Japan in the finals of the third annual IFAF World Championship.  http://wc2007.info/777/game9_e.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on July 15, 2007, 01:20:39 PM
I have also heard rumors of a wide receiver with blinding speed that is a transfer from A & M, but as good as that sounds, the real strength of the team will be the 18+ starters that are returning this year.  This year they're not rebuilding; it's reload and go. The real test will be how motivated Trinity is to win again after a "disappointing" 8 - 2 season.  The Black Flag will need to replace an All American at defensive tackle.  I'm sure his the pass rush had something to do with Trinity's excellent pass defense.  Offensively, they return all but a wide receiver and a tackle.  If Trinity can stay healthy, i.e., no major injuries to key players like last year, they will be very competitive.  They have talent ans experience, do they have the right attitude?  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on July 15, 2007, 09:06:48 PM
I have a question.  I was reading through some publications from last year and was dumbfounded about how different they were in their predictions.  How is it that there is so much disparity in the preseason Rankings?  One publication, Street & Smith I think, didn't have Trinity in the top 25 while another publication had them ranked 4th in the nation.  Is there a credible website, besides this one of course, that puts out these rankings?   Frankly in retrospect, it really isn't a big deal either way, because the only thing that counts is what happens on the field of play, but it would be nice to know that someone who is an astute observer of the game can share their opinions.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 15, 2007, 09:15:30 PM
Quote from: Tigerpop on July 15, 2007, 09:06:48 PM
I have a question.  I was reading through some publications from last year and was dumbfounded about how different they were in their predictions.  How is it that there is so much disparity in the preseason Rankings?  One publication, Street & Smith I think, didn't have Trinity in the top 25 while another publication had them ranked 4th in the nation.  Is there a credible website, besides this one of course, that puts out these rankings?   Frankly in retrospect, it really isn't a big deal either way, because the only thing that counts is what happens on the field of play, but it would be nice to know that someone who is an astute observer of the game can share their opinions. 
Welcome, tigerpop!

There is no more credible source for D3sports, anywhere.

Please buy the 2007 preview e-zine "Kickoff" to get the predictions for the SCAC.

"Kickoff" and the SCAC coaches' poll will be the 2 most accurate sources you can find.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 15, 2007, 10:27:30 PM
Quote from: Tigerpop on July 15, 2007, 09:06:48 PM
I have a question.  I was reading through some publications from last year and was dumbfounded about how different they were in their predictions.  How is it that there is so much disparity in the preseason Rankings?  One publication, Street & Smith I think, didn't have Trinity in the top 25 while another publication had them ranked 4th in the nation.  Is there a credible website, besides this one of course, that puts out these rankings?   Frankly in retrospect, it really isn't a big deal either way, because the only thing that counts is what happens on the field of play, but it would be nice to know that someone who is an astute observer of the game can share their opinions.   

What Ralph said, Tigerpop.  S&S and the other national publications cover D3 on a whim, if at all, and don't dedicate anyone to actually knowing what's going on in the largest (in terms of schools participating) of all NCAA football classifications.  By far the best analysis you're going to get is here.  Once the regular season gets closer you will see an "Around the South" column devoted to the SCAC and ASC as well as the national writers like Pat and Keith Coleman weighing in.

More often than not the national media will pick up the D3football.com weekly poll as THE ratings for Division III.  That should tell you all you need to know about the knowledge represented here.   

The "Kickoff" coverage you will get for $8.95 (or whatever the price is this year) puts anything and everything you have ever seen in terms of Division III football coverage to shame.   Nobody does it like the crew here. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on July 16, 2007, 03:36:59 PM
QuotePlease buy the 2007 preview e-zine "Kickoff" to get the predictions for the SCAC.

"Kickoff" and the SCAC coaches' poll will be the 2 most accurate sources you can find.

When/where is this available?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 16, 2007, 04:24:00 PM
See http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/

Kickoff will be available exclusively online on D3football.com starting on Monday, Aug. 20 but you can reserve access to this comprehensive coverage today. For just $8.95, you can get your own passcode that will give you inside access to our 3rd Annual Kickoff on Aug. 20. This will be the only place you will find this coverage this complete.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on July 17, 2007, 02:09:14 PM
Millsaps' Coach DuBose and Coach Saunders are to host free football clinics on Mississippi Gulf Coast over the next few weeks.  This camp was actually the brainchild of former Head Coach David Saunders.

Check out the link below...
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/071007story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 18, 2007, 10:31:42 PM
Nice little write-up from the DPU website regarding the four recruits who played in the Indiana All-Star Game last week.

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=19713
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 19, 2007, 11:29:51 AM

No, no.  That's the C-factor alright.  There isn't anyone else of significance that might be coming to Trinity.  No doubt about it, but given Coach Mohr's penchant for loyalty,  Blake is still going to start I'm sure so I doubt we'll see him.  Hopefully, Chris is bringing some of his friends with him.  Some big, linemen type guys who are just as fast.  Either way, he might not be any good at all.  I think I'll just hope that the 18 returning starters are good enough to get the job done.  This year's going to be tough. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 19, 2007, 12:57:59 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on July 19, 2007, 11:29:51 AM

No, no.  That's the C-factor alright.  There isn't anyone else of significance that might be coming to Trinity.  No doubt about it, but given Coach Mohr's penchant for loyalty,  Blake is still going to start I'm sure so I doubt we'll see him.  Hopefully, Chris is bringing some of his friends with him.  Some big, linemen type guys who are just as fast.  Either way, he might not be any good at all.  I think I'll just hope that the 18 returning starters are good enough to get the job done.  This year's going to be tough. 

So being as Blake is a senior and this kid is a sophmore (or frosh? He redshirted at D1 but there is no redshirting in D3 ... ) any possibility of having him use that speed at WR while Blake runs the offense?  More than anything else what has been missing in recent years are receivers with speed. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 19, 2007, 02:25:09 PM
I was trying to imagine what it would be like if I was one of the returning key players for Millsaps, someone like Tyson Roy or Juan Joseph, and all I was reading about was how a redshirt freshman was coming in to save the program. 

And if Millsaps had an extremely talented player coming in this season (such as Chris Jackson in 2006), I wonder if it would be doing that player a disservice to hype them up as a superstar before they had even played a snap at Millsaps?

Just wondering. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 19, 2007, 03:14:03 PM
Despite the best efforts of the MIAC to legislate otherwise, Division III honors redshirts from other divisions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 19, 2007, 03:51:49 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 19, 2007, 02:25:09 PM
I was trying to imagine what it would be like if I was one of the returning key players for Millsaps, someone like Tyson Roy or Juan Joseph, and all I was reading about was how a redshirt freshman was coming in to save the program. 

And if Millsaps had an extremely talented player coming in this season (such as Chris Jackson in 2006), I wonder if it would be doing that player a disservice to hype them up as a superstar before they had even played a snap at Millsaps?

Just wondering. 

Well, since the players know a hell of a lot more about what's going on than a few random posters on a message board, I'm not terribly concerned about it and neither are they most likely.

And as for talking about it, give me a break, Frank, it's the offseason.  What would you like us to do?    I've seen one guy "hyping" the kid and several wondering how/if he'll fit in. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 19, 2007, 04:27:18 PM
Agreed -- I don't think it's our role to protect players from something they might not want to read.

I am sure Tyson Roy is far more worried about getting his own eligibility from the NCAA than what fans are posting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 19, 2007, 05:10:34 PM
My point was simply that it is a little early to start labeling one player as the "C-factor" and using his presence as a key factor in why Trinity will win the SCAC next season.  It doesn't seem like something that is really helpful to the kid or the team, but that's just my opinion and I've been wrong many times in the past.

On another subject, I was trying to find news on Chris Jackson and the Pittsburgh Steelers.  Since I didn't want to sign up for a subscription to a Pittsburgh sports service, I only found links that give a tease about how he is doing.  At least he was still on the team as of July 4th and he must be impressing some people as a kickoff returner.  Here are two links:

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=2&c=656441&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fsteelers.scout.com%2f2%2f656441.html

http://story.scout.com/a.z?s=68&p=2&c=648996&ssf=1&RequestedURL=http%3a%2f%2fsteelers.scout.com%2f2%2f648996.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 20, 2007, 12:56:08 PM
Frank ... we understand your comments.  The Trinity "C-factor" comments are a bit of an inside joke among parents and fans who do know some of the incoming and returning players.  We did not mean to offend or imply domination or importance at this early stage.  We're just holding back a little out of respect for the players involved.  It's a team effort for sure.  Speaking for myself, I prefer to observe & comment on actual accomplishments once the season kicks off.  I'm not superstitious ... I simply prefer my crow eaten by others.  ;)

Since this is a public message board, it seems inappropriate to name names in pre-season comments about who is going to be a "factor" for any DIII team, especially an incoming freshman or transfer.  Clearly the lists of expected players in the spring and the actual rosters on opening day are never the same ... since no athletic scholarships are involved, these student-athletes may change their choice of school or sport at will with little financial impact.  In recent years, Trinity has received the benefit of a few transfers from D1 & D2 programs and I for one hope that continues to add to the talent pool.

Those of us who cheer for Trinity are in a new position this season ... reGAIN rather than reTAIN.  We're hoping for great results and a championship in 2007 just like you are for your Majors.  No matter what we write, we know that will be decided between the lines.  The SCAC has gotten a bit more competitive & interesting than in seasons of old ... I think that's a good thing.

Thanks for your observations and news about Millsaps ... we'll do our best to provide the same about Trinity this season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 20, 2007, 01:31:49 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on July 20, 2007, 12:56:08 PM
Since this is a public message board, it seems inappropriate to name names in pre-season comments about who is going to be a "factor" for any DIII team, especially an incoming freshman or transfer.

I don't know why that would be. Seems perfectly appropriate to me. Unless you're that player trying to talk yourself up. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gogetit9 on July 23, 2007, 05:54:10 PM
Marks gets my vote
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 24, 2007, 12:20:46 AM
TU's returning senior QB is Blake Barmore ...  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gogetit9 on July 24, 2007, 09:37:26 AM
I'm very sorry for the typing slip....I was not able to edit the poll after a vote was submitted  :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 24, 2007, 09:58:25 AM


Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 19, 2007, 12:57:59 PM
So being as Blake is a senior and this kid is a sophmore (or frosh? He redshirted at D1 but there is no redshirting in D3 ... )

Wasn't Roy Hampton a redshirt?  I thought people don't typically redshirt at d3 simply because they don't expect to play football any longer than they might be in school.  Speaking of which, did Chris Baer get a medical redshirt for last year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2007, 11:39:23 AM
Routine redshirting was eliminated starting in 2004. And Division III honors the Division I/II/NAIA redshirt, unless you're going to the MIAC, in which case you're screwed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 24, 2007, 11:48:23 AM
The last time I made a post it somewhat killed the board for a few days and it dropped my karma a few notches so I'll try to be very non-controversial and not make any waves.

Last year Juan Joseph averaged 250 yards of total offense per game.  I voted for Juan in the above poll because I expected a number closer to 300 ypg this year (if he stays healthy) for three reasons:
1)  It's his second year in the offense and his second year as a starter which should help the numbers.
2)  While the numbers might not reflect it, I thought Juan looked a little tired and not as sharp during the last part of the season.  I'm hoping that he is a stronger, more durable player this season.
3)  I think Millsaps will simply be a better team which should improve the numbers.  A stronger defense gives the offense more chances and there's no reason to think that the offense will back off from the 34 passes per game average from last year. 

In a related topic, Pat hinted earlier that there may be a question about Tyson Roy's eligibility this season.  I bring this up because Tyson is in the poll question above and because some people may have assumed after reading Pat's post that Tyson had some problems of an academic nature.  There is a question about his eligibility and it centers around his one year at Army (I think that was the school) prior to coming to Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 24, 2007, 12:07:26 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 24, 2007, 11:48:23 AM
The last time I made a post it somewhat killed the board for a few days and it dropped my karma a few notches so I'll try to be very non-controversial and not make any waves.

Last year Juan Joseph averaged 250 yards of total offense per game.  I voted for Juan in the above poll because I expected a number closer to 300 ypg this year (if he stays healthy) for three reasons:
1)  It's his second year in the offense and his second year as a starter which should help the numbers.
2)  While the numbers might not reflect it, I thought Juan looked a little tired and not as sharp during the last part of the season.  I'm hoping that he is a stronger, more durable player this season.
3)  I think Millsaps will simply be a better team which should improve the numbers.  A stronger defense gives the offense more chances and there's no reason to think that the offense will back off from the 34 passes per game average from last year. 

In a related topic, Pat hinted earlier that there may be a question about Tyson Roy's eligibility this season.  I bring this up because Tyson is in the poll question above and because some people may have assumed after reading Pat's post that Tyson had some problems of an academic nature.  There is a question about his eligibility and it centers around his one year at Army (I think that was the school) prior to coming to Millsaps.
+1 Frank.

I strongly disagree with the concept of smiting a poster who makes an effective argument about a player, a game, a ranking, etc.

Rather, do your own research and post it or just respectfully disagree.  I think that smites should be saved for really asinine remarks and other "un-professional" behaviors.  We have too many good posters on the SCAC board, not to have lively conversations going. :)

Only 5 weeks and 2 days to the Backyard Brawl!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2007, 12:29:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 24, 2007, 12:07:26 PM

I strongly disagree with the concept of smiting a poster who makes an effective argument about a player, a game, a ranking, etc.


I agree. However, attempting to stifle the conversation on the board will always earn a smite from me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 24, 2007, 01:01:48 PM
gogetit9 ... no problem ... somebody fixed Barmore's name in the poll!

TU2698 ... yes, the NCAA approved Baer's medical redshirt for 2006 ... he was injured in the third quarter of the first home game vs. ETBU and missed the entire season.  He has three years of eligibility remaining, counting this year.  Let's get through this season safely first!  (That goes for everyone, I mean.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 24, 2007, 01:46:14 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2007, 12:29:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 24, 2007, 12:07:26 PM

I strongly disagree with the concept of smiting a poster who makes an effective argument about a player, a game, a ranking, etc.


I agree. However, attempting to stifle the conversation on the board will always earn a smite from me.

While I do spend a lot of time on the D3 message boards, I don't keep up with each individual member of the board by monitoring the general nature of their posts over the months and years.  Therefore, I don't expect anyone to keep up with the general nature of my posts.

For the record, yes I do primarily support the Millsaps teams, but a look back through the messages will show that I also try to support all of the athletes and the teams in the SCAC.  As I've said over and over, I'm sure that 90%+ of the SCAC athletes are great young men and women and we all should support all of them.  I'm not sure that everyone agrees with this viewpoint.

In the past, when the bickering among the DePauw board members got to the point where it seemed to be harmful to the DePauw program, I made some comments about calming down the rhetoric because I thought it would help the DePauw program to cut down on the negativity.  More recently I tried to make the point that hyping a transfer as the key to Trinity's success might not sit so well with the current Trinity players.

Obviously from the reaction, I shouldn't have said anything about the C-factor or the DePauw bickering and I won't make that mistake in the future.  I'll just stick to Millsaps posts every once in a while and not stick my nose into the affairs of any other team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2007, 01:55:11 PM
And I think that would be an overreaction. All that's been said is that it's not your responsibility to tell people what they can't talk about.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on July 24, 2007, 03:21:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 24, 2007, 01:55:11 PM
And I think that would be an overreaction. All that's been said is that it's not your responsibility to tell people what they can't talk about.

I somewhat agree with Pat on this Frank, I find alot of value in your posts and you are far more resourceful than most of the posters on this board, limiting yourself to occasional Millsaps posts would be a shame to the SCAC board.  However, I do not see the point as far as responsibility.  We all have the responsibility to maintain the integrity of the SCAC board, sure Pat and the guys have the ultimate authority, but as sportsmen we should all maintain some air of integrity on this board.  If people are going to be posting their "Opinions" on certain topics, I think one is within their rights to post his/her "opinion" on the validity, necessity, etc. of the statement.

This board has historically been very good with very insightful commentary, so this really is not a big issue . . . in my opinion  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 24, 2007, 03:27:34 PM
The other alternative, Frank, is to just not worry about karma.  Mine was well into the 100s at one point and slowly evaporated over the offseason (and I even know who did it, but so what).  At first it ticked me off, then I realized there's no point in worrying about something so arbitrary.    Your posts are fine and you probably contribute more to the board than any other regular SCAC poster.  Sometimes I think of you as our Ralph Turner. 

And if it makes you feel any better my karma got dinked too after I said what I did in response to your post.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 24, 2007, 04:05:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 24, 2007, 03:27:34 PM
The other alternative, Frank, is to just not worry about karma.  Mine was well into the 100s at one point and slowly evaporated over the offseason (and I even know who did it, but so what).  At first it ticked me off, then I realized there's no point in worrying about something so arbitrary.    Your posts are fine and you probably contribute more to the board than any other regular SCAC poster.  Sometimes I think of you as our Ralph Turner. 

And if it makes you feel any better my karma got dinked too after I said what I did in response to your post.   :D

Karma, schmarma. All that matters is the status and future of the world  -- and the people in it -- and of D3 competition. All else is dross, at best, and gibberish, at worst.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on July 24, 2007, 06:15:15 PM
Speaking of football..... I'd be interested in hearing from fellow posters about the various SCAC team offenses and what the perceived strengths of each team.  I know it's just speculation, but I'm hungry to talk football.  For example, I think TU will have a strong backfield with lots of different looks that will help with ball control.  The starting QB is back and I think he's gong to fill the air with flying pigskins to some very capable receivers.  Does it matter that TU has the best blocking fullback and short yardage specialist in the SCAC, who can also catch passes out of the backfield? Okay, so maybe I'm a little biased on that one. 4 of the 5 lineman are returning, so I'm of the mind that most of the TU offensive players are very familiar with the system and that suggests more variations in the offensive packages.  Skilled, experienced players running a sophosticated offensive scheme could make it tough on the opposition.  Wadayathink?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 25, 2007, 01:25:04 PM

I said it in November, I'll say it again:

Beware SCAC foes, Austin College is now the bully on the block.

1.  Kent Bell is due for a breakout season.  I've never seen a quarterback with more sticktoitiveness or escapability.  Zaq Momot averaged more than 20 yards per catch last season.  'Nuf said.

2.  With the conference trying to figure out a way to stop Ryan Cowley, I think Ross Hasten has the speed to become the dark kangaroo in the conference.  He also has a motor that never shuts off, even if he's carrying a joey in his pouch (metaphor for ball).

I hear AC will be running the oop d'oop offense as they worked with John Moxon and Lance Harbor in the off season, former player-coach tandem from nearby West Canaan High School.  Apparently, it will enable them to force defenses to cover Zaq Momot one on one. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on July 25, 2007, 02:04:04 PM
TU2698
Most bullies have to play defense to qualify as one. For example please consider the Major turn around once the defense put the pieces together last year. They were conference bullies in 06. The SCAC will be tougher and is becoming quite visible nationally. So come on  AC but watch out for the Majors in 07.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on July 25, 2007, 04:14:52 PM
Checking the Top 25...TU in and Millsaps just outside. I like it. The boys will have to prove it on the field again this year. Plan on coming to Homecoming in Jackson this fall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 25, 2007, 04:19:02 PM

Uh...I don't think the Majors have Jared Baker, 6', 240 lbs of mad, furious senior leadership on the defensive line.  With 4 freshmen averaging over 200 lbs in the trenches, I suspect running the football against the roos will be about as easy as hunting duck billed platypus. 

You read it here first, AC, 2007 SCAC champs.  Rankings mean nothing. 

Anyway, I was answering tigerpops previous question about backfields. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on July 25, 2007, 04:57:55 PM
No, the Majors don't have the "mad" 6'0" 240 lb Jared Baker returning on the d-line, but we do return Cedric Lawrence, a 6'2" 230 lb. DE with 44 tackles and 4 forced fumbles, as well as Casey Younger, a 6'1" 260 lb. Vicksburg Native that is looking to improve upon his 65 tackles from the 3-tech/weak shade position.

Moreover, the Majors return 6'0" 240 lb. Shawn Gillenwater, who led the Majors with 87 tackles and had a respectable 2 ints from the Mike position.  Senior Ronnie Wheat (40 tackles, 3 ints) looks to be Millsaps's version of "furious" leadership on the defensive side of the ball. 
Also 4 freshmen averaging over 200 in the trenches???  Is that even respectable?  Are they 250+, or 205ish.  Either way, I'm not sure what to make of it.

For those that are wondering, Tyson Roy has yet to receive his eligibility.  There was a problem with some of the paper-work.  The Majors should be hearing very soon, and the prognosis is pretty good.  Expect him to return for his final year at Millsaps.  Once I know for sure, you will know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 26, 2007, 08:36:27 AM
TU-ex Jerheme Urban, in camp with the Cowboys, gets a nice writeup in the San Antonio Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/stories/MYSA072407.1D.CowboysLocals.en.384fa5d.html) this AM.  The writers in Dallas don't give him much of a shot, but perhaps Phillips and OC Jason Garrett, himself an unlikely NFL player, will see something in Urban the writers can't.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 26, 2007, 11:31:04 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on July 25, 2007, 04:19:02 PM

Uh...I don't think the Majors have Jared Baker, 6', 240 lbs of mad, furious senior leadership on the defensive line.  With 4 freshmen averaging over 200 lbs in the trenches, I suspect running the football against the roos will be about as easy as hunting duck billed platypus. 

You read it here first, AC, 2007 SCAC champs.  Rankings mean nothing. 


Forgive me, but defense wasn't ever the problem for the Roos in '06, was it?  I believe it was the other side of the ball that needed a drastic overhaul.

The not-so-robust 14 PPG (last in the conferece) earned by that Wing-T leaves an awful lot to be desired. 

If you told me that they either A) recruited some great linemen and running backs to run that system or B) decided to join the rest of us in the 21st century, I would be more than happy to jump on board your bandwagon. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 26, 2007, 02:22:47 PM
As someone relatively close to the Austin College program, I'm not sure I'm ready to crown the 'Roos SCAC champs just yet. 

I do expect the team to be improved, especially on the offensive side of the ball, and I do expect a winning season.  Coach Gage tells me that he expects good numbers of bodies out for the team this year, which is an encouraging sign, and a year of working the system he installed will benefit the 'Roos greatly.  (Do remember, he came to the program somewhat late last year, and didn't have a full compliment of time to recruit or install his offensive/defensive schemes.)

I think the 'Roos could easily win 6-8 games this season, but to take the SCAC crown, I think some things would definitely have to go our way.  Nobody should take the 'Roos lightly, though!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 26, 2007, 07:21:41 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: 2007 D3football.com Preseason Poll)


LA Major,
I agree that in the Preseason Poll the Trinity Tiger's #21 ranking is "just inside" the Top 25, but is the Millsaps ranking of #38 really "just outside" of the Top 25? Maybe so, with as many teams as there are in D3? I still absolutely expect a Tiger victory at Millsaps; my early line is Tigers by 17.

                                                     :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 26, 2007, 07:31:15 PM
Quote from: etg on July 26, 2007, 07:21:41 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: 2007 D3football.com Preseason Poll)


LA Major,
I agree that in the Preseason Poll the Trinity Tiger's #21 ranking is "just inside" the Top 25, but is the Millsaps ranking of #38 really "just outside" of the Top 25? Maybe so, with as many teams as there are in D3? I still absolutely expect a Tiger victory at Millsaps; my early line is Tigers by 17.                                                     :)

TU 117 votes from 25 voters = 4.72 votes per voter or about 21st (which would be 125 votes)

Millsaps 22 votes from 25 voters = 0.88 votes per voter or about 25th.

Let's give it the first weekend, TU vs. ETBU and Millsaps versus MissColl.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on July 27, 2007, 01:06:46 PM
Ralph
I agree with your statement regarding the opening games. I  think the Millsaps v MC is big for both programs particularly coming right out of the gate.
etg
I will be surprised if there would be that big of a swing in score from 06 to07. TU got pounded in Jackson for the conference championship and everyone that was there was impressed by the total domination in all phases of the game. TU's QB did have a big game from a stat standpoint but it didn't touch the outcome in the least.
At this early date Millsaps has to be considered the front runner in the SCAC race.
There will be great games every weekend in this conference. I can't wait.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 27, 2007, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: etg on July 26, 2007, 07:21:41 PM
my early line is Tigers by 17.

I believe this is the second time you've put TU at -17. 

Yet,  I don't believe you've provided a reason how or why TU could change the outcome by 39 points when this year's game is being played in the same venue.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: russotg on July 27, 2007, 01:31:43 PM
who are the top kickers and punters in the conference this season..especially with the kickoffs going to the 30 yd line
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on July 27, 2007, 01:34:16 PM
I think the TU-MC matchup will yield entirely different results this year.  Traditionally Millsaps plays TU tough one year, then not the next...  The big variable this year will be the fact that we're in Jackson, AGAIN....  explain that!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 27, 2007, 02:09:33 PM
Quote from: historymajor on July 27, 2007, 01:34:16 PM
I think the TU-MC matchup will yield entirely different results this year.  Traditionally Millsaps plays TU tough one year, then not the next...  The big variable this year will be the fact that we're in Jackson, AGAIN....  explain that!
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4753.2574
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4753.2575
http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4753.2576

We have.  These posts are beginning to provide the documentation for the presence of an early case of dementia.

:D ;D :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2007, 02:26:28 PM
Those who don't read, history, are doomed to repeat it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 27, 2007, 02:57:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2007, 02:26:28 PM
Those who don't read, history, are doomed to repeat it.
:D :D :D :D :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on July 27, 2007, 04:15:11 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on July 27, 2007, 01:23:44 PM
Quote from: etg on July 26, 2007, 07:21:41 PM
my early line is Tigers by 17.

I believe this is the second time you've put TU at -17. 

Yet,  I don't believe you've provided a reason how or why TU could change the outcome by 39 points when this year's game is being played in the same venue.
The difference in that game was an early turnover inside the 20 that led to a touchdown and two kick returns for touchdowns, the only returns against TU all season.  Statistically, the game was evenly matched with TU having more yardage, first downs, etc.  Most of the yardage came from the passing game after they were down by 3 or four iouchdowns.  Had they been in the position to play more ball control, you could easily see a different outcome.  Also, the fact that they were playing the back-up QB, (could the back-up to JJ play as well as the TU QB did?) I could easily see a TU win if people stay healthy and all phases of the game are played with a minimum of mistakes.  If the conference championship is again on the line, as well as a bid to the playoffs, this could be a barnburner of a game
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gogetit9 on July 27, 2007, 05:02:46 PM
The end result of the 2006 SCAC Conference standings was not a fluke...

Millsaps started the season slow and suprised the SCAC...this on top of the fact that they were the most talented team in the SCAC led to the championship season. 

Who will have this year's Chris Jackson.....or more importantly who will have the best 11 on the field when the dust settles?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 27, 2007, 07:17:48 PM
Quote from: Tigerpop on July 27, 2007, 04:15:11 PM
The difference in that game was an early turnover inside the 20 that led to a touchdown and two kick returns for touchdowns, the only returns against TU all season. 

So it was a fluke, then?  Had those things not happened, the game may have gone a different direction?  Weird.  I said the same thing about DPU's trip to Trinity last year and I was told that flukes don't exist.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gogetit9 on July 27, 2007, 07:49:54 PM

The difference in that game was an early turnover inside the 20 that led to a touchdown and two kick returns for touchdowns, the only returns against TU all season.  Statistically, the game was evenly matched with TU having more yardage, first downs, etc.  Most of the yardage came from the passing game after they were down by 3 or four iouchdowns.
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That sir, is not a fluke.....it's Football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on July 27, 2007, 09:28:48 PM
Thank you gogetit9 for realizing that turnovers are a part of football, and so too are injuries.  Millsaps won.  Trinity fans can get over it.  I understand the first phase is denial.  Let's face it, the gap has been closed.  TU is not the powerhouse it once was, as evidenced by their poor performances in the playoffs the past few years they won the SCAC. 
I will never say Millsaps is going to blow out TU the eighth game of the season, but TU fans certainly would make such outlandish claims about their team (TU by 17 is about as smart as me predicting the impossible score of 1 to 0). 
Again, expect a tough conference.  Millsaps, TU and DePauw at the top, BSC at the bottom.  Any questions?  Thank the lord for a reasonable person like gogetit9. 
Be realistic people. 
Go ahead and dock be eleventy-thousand karma points, because I don't care.  Karma is for hippies, and I'm no hippie.  I'm a right wing, white male, realists.  Apparently I'm the minority on the board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 27, 2007, 09:51:12 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on July 27, 2007, 09:28:48 PM
I'm a right wing, white male, realists.  Apparently I'm the minority on the board.

That's not exactly a minority.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Superfoot Wallace on July 27, 2007, 10:20:23 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on July 27, 2007, 09:28:48 PM
Karma is for hippies, and I'm no hippie.  I'm a right wing, white male, realists.  Apparently I'm the minority on the board.

Go hug a tree and eat some granola.  JK!  ;)

Thats why they play the games.   The game will always be tension between the competing philosophies of what have you done for me lately and dance with the gurl you brung.

Injuries, momentum, attrition and preparedness all part of the game.  Facts are facts  Millsaps is the reigning champ and there's lotsa ground to be covered before a TU rematch.

signed,
Chumley, Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren and Craig Statler
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 28, 2007, 12:04:36 AM

I know that people are thinking that Trinity fans need to get over that pounding at Millsaps, but that's not common to all of us.  I've said since that very day that the Majors were a few steps ahead on pretty much every play.  Yes, there were the kick returns, but nobody mentioned late in the first quarter with Trinity deep in Millsaps territory down two touchdowns, they tried unsuccessfully to gain one yard on both 3rd and 4th down with the same play.  In my opinion, the game ended right there.  The Tigers just haven't had enough scoring power the last two years. 

As for the DePauw game, it was I that said it was no fluke, not Tigerpop.  It wasn't and neither was the Millsaps game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2007, 12:08:03 AM
There is a lot of excitement/commotion about the new coach at ETBU, depending on the point of view.

Let's see how TU does the first weekend.  They start the season with ETBU and then TLU.  I have no idea how to predict their record by the time they play Colorado College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on July 28, 2007, 01:59:39 AM
It's good to see the board light up with some diverse opinions.  It is true that over the last three years of watching SCAC play that there is less difference in ability amongst the teams.  I think that's a good thing after years of dominance by one particular team.  The stronger the SCAC gets, the higher the expectations, the further the SCAC champs will go in the playoffs.  Make no mistake about it, there will be a different attitude at TU this year.  Last year, the injury bug hit TU hard and the back-ups had some trouble stepping up to the level needed.  No where was that more evident than against a good team like Millsaps. 

As far as the reference to the one yard they couldn't get, that particular player had sucessfully completed 4th & 1 plays 99% of the time over the past three years.  I can tell you this, that has motivated him to hit the training room a little harder this spring and barring injury, he will be alot stronger and faster this year and pardon my "French", a real bitch to stop.  That was a tough moment in his career, and hard to listen to 3000 miles away, but facing adversity can either make you stronger or cause you to retreat into a hole.  It's time for TU to do a gutcheck and use last year's experience as a stepping stone to a successful season.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 28, 2007, 08:58:51 AM
Whenever an offense fails to gain the necessary yardage for a first down, however critical, there are eleven guys responsible.  Oftentimes the ball carrier gets (or takes) the blame or credit on a rushing play, but there are blockers, play callers, and misdirectors who must also share the burden.  When my favorite player runs the ball, sometimes I forget to watch the men who clear the way for him ... but they are there.

TU's gutcheck started on the evening of last November 11th ... I'm sure those young men (and their coaches) will not soon forget that feeling.  Shared blame and responsibility can be an important part of team-building and time will tell what fruits will come of those seeds.  Here's wishing an injury-free season for our favorite players and a return to championship form ... I hope to witness a great Trinity Tigers team that pulls together and finds their full potential.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on July 28, 2007, 12:20:17 PM
TD and TP...  I share your frustrations over last season and your optimism for 2007! 

RT, sorry for the choice of words,,, instead of 'explain', I maybe should have said 'go figure'. 

But I admit, I am a little demented, or at least delirious...

see Wikipedia... "Without careful assessment, delirium can easily be confused with dementia"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2007, 01:09:57 PM
Quote from: historymajor on July 28, 2007, 12:20:17 PM
TD and TP...  I share your frustrations over last season and your optimism for 2007! 

RT, sorry for the choice of words,,, instead of 'explain', I maybe should have said 'go figure'. 

But I admit, I am a little demented, or at least delirious...

see Wikipedia... "Without careful assessment, delirium can easily be confused with dementia"
:D

Grandchildren-induced delirium?  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on July 28, 2007, 06:11:08 PM
RT... grand-SON induced euphoria,,, aka delerium!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 28, 2007, 08:49:33 PM
Quote from: historymajor on July 28, 2007, 06:11:08 PM
RT... grand-SON induced euforia,,, aka delerium!

Better than euphonium-induced dementia, right Bonzo?
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2007, 09:24:42 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on July 28, 2007, 08:49:33 PM
Quote from: historymajor on July 28, 2007, 06:11:08 PM
RT... grand-SON induced euforia,,, aka delerium!

Better than euphonium-induced dementia, right Bonzo?
;D

I resemble that remark and have no comment.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 31, 2007, 12:04:20 PM
Chris Jackson was released by the Steelers yesterday:

http://news.steelers.com/article/79097/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2007, 06:07:16 PM
Tyson Roy is not coming back for Millsaps, it's been determined.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on July 31, 2007, 06:30:12 PM
Tyson Roy will surely be a loss for the Majors, but the new 2007 roster has been updated and it is exciting to see the fruits of recruitment.  It has been a long time since I have seen a roster for Millsaps football this big. 

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/roster.shtml

The 2007 preview is also out, you can see it here:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/07Preview.shtml

Should be an exciting year in the SCAC!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 01, 2007, 01:25:50 AM
The Tyson Roy news shouldn't come as a surprise.  He used a year of eligibility when he was at Army.

I'm in Jackson for a brief Mississippi swing, and I spoke to Millsaps head coach Mike Dubose very briefly last Friday.  He's very pleased with the recruiting class and expects Millsaps to be competitive this season, although he cautioned that the conference is getting considerably stronger.  That's nothing new to this board.

On another note, the New Orleans Saints are enjoying camp at Millsaps or at least that's the indication.  The new fields are very nice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2007, 08:54:44 AM
I was watching an "American Gladiator" re-run on ESPN classic the other day and a guy from Trinity was on there.  I can't remember his name, but he did well.  They showed his number I think it was 44.  Can anybody recall who he is, and how well did he finish overall? 

It was somewhere in the 1990-93 era, when Larry Csonka hosted the show?  That is about as much as I remember from that episode.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 01, 2007, 06:29:51 PM
A bit of hard digging on Google uncovered Greg Pearson, a former player at Trinity Valley Junior College ... now a coach at Granbury High School.  Could this be the guy?

http://forum.gladiatorszone.com/YaBB.pl?num=1118958693/17 (http://forum.gladiatorszone.com/YaBB.pl?num=1118958693/17)

Photo here:
http://www4.granbury.k12.tx.us/staff/mark_wright/Football/Varsity%20Coaches.htm (http://www4.granbury.k12.tx.us/staff/mark_wright/Football/Varsity%20Coaches.htm)
(scroll down to the RB coach).

I have no idea, but that's what I found ... somebody call him and ask!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 01, 2007, 07:27:13 PM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2007, 08:54:44 AM
I was watching an "American Gladiator" re-run on ESPN classic the other day and a guy from Trinity was on there.  I can't remember his name, but he did well.  They showed his number I think it was 44.  Can anybody recall who he is, and how well did he finish overall? 

It was somewhere in the 1990-93 era, when Larry Csonka hosted the show?  That is about as much as I remember from that episode.

This may be the most desperate plea for the season to start that has ever been posted on this board.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 01, 2007, 08:37:23 PM
Come on Bonzo,,, AG is classic!  Zonk and Adamle...  Fire, and Ice....  I applaud ESPN Classic for bringing back the 'classics'!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2007, 10:59:55 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on August 01, 2007, 06:29:51 PM
A bit of hard digging on Google uncovered Greg Pearson, a former player at Trinity Valley Junior College ... now a coach at Granbury High School.  Could this be the guy?

http://forum.gladiatorszone.com/YaBB.pl?num=1118958693/17 (http://forum.gladiatorszone.com/YaBB.pl?num=1118958693/17)

Photo here:
http://www4.granbury.k12.tx.us/staff/mark_wright/Football/Varsity%20Coaches.htm (http://www4.granbury.k12.tx.us/staff/mark_wright/Football/Varsity%20Coaches.htm)
(scroll down to the RB coach).

I have no idea, but that's what I found ... somebody call him and ask!

I put the show on and was walking around the house (only watched the events)  I happen to catch the end of a cover story and the guy had trinity on his jersey.  He probably had one of the "Breakthrough and Conquer" events I have ever seen.

This tops it all though:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=un1O6ZaZdJc

(sounds seems to be off though)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: grundy77 on August 02, 2007, 01:31:01 PM
What do Sewanee and Rhodes have this year? I thing BSC will become a big rival for these two schools.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 02, 2007, 11:43:25 PM

Rhodes has been improving the last few years, but have not really been able to get over the hump when it counts.  The year they beat Trinity, they couldn't run the table in the rest of the conference.  Last year they had a first rate defense but couldn't take advantage of it, losing a very low scoring game to Millsaps.  If they ever emerge as a real threat to the conference crown, I would consider it a real surprise.

Sewanee just has never been able to get above average since I've followed the SCAC.  One year in the last decade, they challenged for the title, but Trinity used that game to expose the gap between themselves and the rest of the conference. 

For a rivalry to exist, there has to be history.  I couldn't name a real rivalry in the SCAC of any significance.  DePauw is part of what some would call the greatest rivalry of them all, but the other part is in the NCAC.  Trinity and Millsaps have probably played the greatest number of interesting games, but since they don't really compete in the same market for students, it's hard to call that a rivalry.  BSC has no history, though I suppose their proximity to Memphis makes a rivalry possible.  If Rhodes games carried much weight, it would help. 

Ohio State and Michigan weren't that great of rivals until Bo Schembecler got the head job.  He worked for years under Woody Hayes, which was the real reason for the rivalry, plus Michigan knocked off the "Team of the Century" once in the 60s in a total shocker early in Bo's career.  The two programs have been so strong ever since, and therefore the rivalry has maintained.  I just don't see any story lines between BSC, UofS, and Rhodes, nor do I see really significant games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 03, 2007, 07:23:04 AM
Trinity and Austin College began playing early in the 20th century.  Trinity is 35-29-6 since 1904.  Trinity's next most frequent opponent is McMurry, going 21-13-1 since 1936.

Trinity Archives (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/archives/arch-series.htm)

BSC gave up football in 1940 and there does not appear to be much history in other sports.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 03, 2007, 12:17:01 PM
I just read where Chris Jackson has worked out for the Saints and has a chance to make the preseason roster.  I am sure he feels quite comfortable being back at the Millsaps campus.  Good luck to Chris!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 03, 2007, 02:59:53 PM
Jackson had great size for a WR--maybe just a step slow for the pro level, though.  Chris was a solid player, so I hope he does well. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on August 03, 2007, 04:42:22 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 02, 2007, 11:43:25 PM
For a rivalry to exist, there has to be history.  I couldn't name a real rivalry in the SCAC of any significance.   
....
  I just don't see any story lines between BSC, UofS, and Rhodes, nor do I see really significant games.

No history of a rivalry? Rhodes and Sewanee  were playing each other as early as 1899 and have played each other almost every year since that season.     If you were to ask any two random Rhodes and Sewanee alumni, they would tell you that beating the other team is the hightlight of their season.    We really don't like each other.  I guess it's because the two schools are so much alike. 

It hasn't helped the past few years that we've not had very impressive coaching on the Mountain.   It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, Coach Black can do with our team. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 03, 2007, 05:01:12 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on August 03, 2007, 04:42:22 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 02, 2007, 11:43:25 PM
For a rivalry to exist, there has to be history.  I couldn't name a real rivalry in the SCAC of any significance.   
....
  I just don't see any story lines between BSC, UofS, and Rhodes, nor do I see really significant games.

No history of a rivalry? Rhodes and Sewanee  were playing each other as early as 1899 and have played each other almost every year since that season.     If you were to ask any two random Rhodes and Sewanee alumni, they would tell you that beating the other team is the hightlight of their season.    We really don't like each other.  I guess it's because the two schools are so much alike. 

It hasn't helped the past few years that we've not had very impressive coaching on the Mountain.   It'll be interesting to see what, if anything, Coach Black can do with our team. 
lewis, I interpreted the question with respect to B-SC and Rhodes or Sewanee.

I don't think that TU doubts the rivalry between the various forms of Tennessee cats!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gatigermom on August 04, 2007, 07:43:59 AM
Quote from: d3footballscac on July 27, 2007, 01:31:43 PM
who are the top kickers and punters in the conference this season..especially with the kickoffs going to the 30 yd line

I'm prejudiced but Sewanee's Andrew Gould
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 04, 2007, 09:18:24 AM
Quote from: gatigermom on August 04, 2007, 07:43:59 AM
Quote from: d3footballscac on July 27, 2007, 01:31:43 PM
who are the top kickers and punters in the conference this season..especially with the kickoffs going to the 30 yd line

I'm prejudiced but Sewanee's Andrew Gould
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 05, 2007, 08:43:06 AM
The programs for Sunday's NFL Hall of Fame game between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the New Orleans Saints were printed on Tuesday so they'll show Chris Jackson of Millsaps as a member of the Steelers team.  In reality, he will be playing with the Saints and Coach Payton said Chris would get in on some plays so look for #15 at wide receiver for the Saints.  Here's a story on Chris:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070804/SPORTS02/708040328

Also, I just put a slideshow/video on YouTube with photos from the first week of Saints training camp.  It's 250+ photos crammed into a 4:15 minute video so you have to look quick for the photos of Chris at the 3:52 and 3:59 mark.  With the huge compression factor on YouTube, the quality of the photos isn't great once it is downloaded to YouTube, but it gives you an idea of what's going on at the camp:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFnQAiYQxU
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on August 05, 2007, 10:33:25 AM
Quote from: PrideSportBBallGuy on August 01, 2007, 08:54:44 AM
I was watching an "American Gladiator" re-run on ESPN classic the other day and a guy from Trinity was on there.  I can't remember his name, but he did well.  They showed his number I think it was 44.  Can anybody recall who he is, and how well did he finish overall? 

It was somewhere in the 1990-93 era, when Larry Csonka hosted the show?  That is about as much as I remember from that episode.

His name is Spencer Street. He hosted several friends and myself this past January for a hunt on his ranch in NCentral Texas. He is in the oil and gas business and lives in the area. He was a wonderful host and told the Gladiator story which he tried out originally for just for fun. He did very well and advanced but did not win. He said he was treated wonderfully but when he was beat it was done and gone. I had to give him a hard time about the Millsaps win over TU which he took with grace. He has wonderful memories of DIII football and TU. He was very interested in Millsaps and their program   development. He was curious about my son's experience playing for Coach DuBose and sees the SCAC as a conference on the move. Needless to say we had a great time. For me as a parent of a DIII athlete I see someone like  Spencer as a great example of the wonderful impact a DIII collegiate experience has while in school and in preparing young people for the future.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 05, 2007, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on August 03, 2007, 02:59:53 PM
Jackson had great size for a WR--maybe just a step slow for the pro level, though.  Chris was a solid player, so I hope he does well. 

Chris ran in the ball park of 4.32 for NFL scouts this summer. Now, I might be mistaken, but I'm fairly certain that's not "a step too slow" for any level. Let's know what we're alking about here people.

As for all the injury whining coming from fans of those boys in San Antonio. Millsaps had 5 players alone, who underwent ACL sugery during, or after last season. Two of their top offensive threats missed signifigant protions of the season, also. Trinity went to Jackson and got out played, out performed and out coached. Can we quit with the excuses? Injuries happen in football, and champions overcome.
The conference is a level playing field, now. Trinity is no longer the big bad wolf.  Millsaps proved it last season. This conference is wide open, and it's anyone's for the taking. Good luck to everyone in the SCAC in proving that this is the conference to beat.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 06, 2007, 02:56:38 PM
Per the Dallas Morning News' Tim McMahon (http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2007/08/leftover_questions_from_this_morning.html), ex-Trinity WR Jerheme Urban will see some time returning punts against the Colts Thursday night.  Two other WRs in camp are fighting injuries; being able to return punts as well as catch passes could help Urban stick around this season.  Both the injured guys could go on the practice squad and Dallas is searching for a return guy.  In another blog today (http://cowboys.beloblog.com/archives/2007/08/live_from_the_alamodome_xviii.html) McMahon said "Jerheme Urban's chances to make the team get better every practice Jamaica Rector and Isaiah Stanback have to sit out."  McMahon has not been high on the kid's chances so far, so it's nice to see the change. 

Jerheme did not return a lot of punts at Trinity but does hold the school's career kick return yardage mark.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 06, 2007, 04:01:16 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/orl-dubose0207aug02,0,2154761.story

Can you blame the guy?  In my four years at Millsaps, I played under two head coaches, four defensive coordinators, and five defensive line coaches.  Continuity is a huge problem at Millsaps.  However, the largest problem is the administration. 

An example:  After using the same weight room bars for four years, they became bent after repititions of clean/jerk, hang cleans, power cleans, etc.  I personally went to the administration to ask for money to replace the bars that were used by the entire school.  They said no.  The administration could care less about athletics, and truly isn't concerned about the success, or lack there of within the athletics department.  I know for a fact that DuBose clashes with the administration on more levels than one.  Hell, I clashed with the administration when I was in school there, and it is safe to say that anyone that has ever been involved with Millsaps knows that the administration is perhaps the most dreadful entitiy to deal with.  Let's see???  Enrollment has plummeted over the last five years, the college isn't as academically highly ranked as it once was, and tuition has gone up over $8,000 in the last five years. 

Here is an idea Millsaps College.  The Coach that is brining in 60 players this year (all of whom will be paying tuition money) should probably get everything he wants.  Let's face it.  Coach Page (baseball), Coach DuBose, and Coach Wise (basketball) are the only reason that Millsaps's enrollement isn't sub 1,000. 

Is this a problem at any other SCAC school?  I'm just wondering, b/c I'm sick of seeing coaches leave Millsaps b/c they aren't treated correctly, and can't provide players with equipment and incentives that most of received in High School.   Perhaps Millsaps should think about dismissing Dr. Lucas (our president) and most of the administration. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 06, 2007, 05:57:22 PM
A quick run through the Trinity Tigers Football Archives revealed these stats for Jerheme Urban and a couple other key players:

Career Kick Return Yards: #1 - Jerheme Urban, 1000 yards (1999-2002)
Career Kick Return Yards: #5 - Spencer Street, 668 yards (1985-1988)

Career Kick Returns: #4 - Jerheme Urban, 39 (1999-2002)

Career Receiving Yards: #2 - Jerheme Urban, 2962 yards (1999-2002)

Career Receptions: #2 - Jerheme Urban, 191 (1999-2002)

Career Receiving TD's: #1(tie) - Jerheme Urban, 35 (1999-2002)
Career Receiving TD's: #1(tie) - Bo Edwards, 35 (1996-1999)

Career Total Touchdowns Scored: #1 - Jerheme Urban, 40 (1999-2002)

Career Total Points Scored: #2 - Jerheme Urban, 240 (1999-2002)

Career All Purpose Yards: #4 - Jerheme Urban, 4184 (1999-2002)

Gotta give those men the props!

Best wishes to Mr. Urban in Cowboys' camp ... hope he gets a chance to show his stuff and make the team this season!



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 06, 2007, 06:29:36 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 06, 2007, 04:01:16 PM
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/orl-dubose0207aug02,0,2154761.story

Can you blame the guy?  In my four years at Millsaps, I played under two head coaches, four defensive coordinators, and five defensive line coaches.  Continuity is a huge problem at Millsaps.  However, the largest problem is the administration. 

An example:  After using the same weight room bars for four years, they became bent after repititions of clean/jerk, hang cleans, power cleans, etc.  I personally went to the administration to ask for money to replace the bars that were used by the entire school.  They said no.  The administration could care less about athletics, and truly isn't concerned about the success, or lack there of within the athletics department.  I know for a fact that DuBose clashes with the administration on more levels than one.  Hell, I clashed with the administration when I was in school there, and it is safe to say that anyone that has ever been involved with Millsaps knows that the administration is perhaps the most dreadful entitiy to deal with.  Let's see???  Enrollment has plummeted over the last five years, the college isn't as academically highly ranked as it once was, and tuition has gone up over $8,000 in the last five years. 

Here is an idea Millsaps College.  The Coach that is brining in 60 players this year (all of whom will be paying tuition money) should probably get everything he wants.  Let's face it.  Coach Page (baseball), Coach DuBose, and Coach Wise (basketball) are the only reason that Millsaps's enrollement isn't sub 1,000. 

Is this a problem at any other SCAC school?  I'm just wondering, b/c I'm sick of seeing coaches leave Millsaps b/c they aren't treated correctly, and can't provide players with equipment and incentives that most of received in High School.   Perhaps Millsaps should think about dismissing Dr. Lucas (our president) and most of the administration. 

Ferric,

I do sympathize with your feelings on Millsaps Football.  I experienced much of the same going through two head coaches and four o-line coaches in my playing years, and that is not very easy! 

However, we must realize that this is the SCAC and DIII and all of these schools are at the foremost Academic Institutions, and damn good ones at that.  There will always be a battle between the Administration and Athletic Department, no matter what the records on the field are.  It is agreed that the Admin. could do a better job of leveraging off the success of its sports programs in order to boost enrollment, but at what costs?  There are some schools that seem to do a better all around job of having the two camps coexist, but I am sure there are battles behind the scenes there as well.  I loved every minute of being a college athlete at Millsaps, but I would never trade that in for the education I received there.  After all, I am not playing football now and doubt any teams will be knocking on my door anytime soon.  It is rare that a DIII athlete makes the leap to the profesional level so his/her attention must be turned to the long term while he/she is in school. 

Despite what you say, the college is still ranked high academically (see here: http://www.millsaps.edu/get_to_know/awards.shtml) and has had a very good year in recruitment.  In fact it is a five year high, with the freshman class numbering 297 compared to the past 4 years' final numbers as follows:  '06 = 232, '05 = 258, '04 = 279, '03 = 260 students.  The freshman class also has very good test scores and come from a variety of different places.

The Dubose news in this one article is disturbing, but I had a feeling this would be the case no matter how much money the school pumped into football.  There should be no mistaking that this is not Division I and it never will be.  My only hope is that articles like this do not distract the current players from the task at hand!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 06, 2007, 09:57:06 PM

That would be my hope.  If I were a Millsaps player and left it all on the field for that guy last fall, I wouldn't be happy. I can't believe Dubose would say that publicly. :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 06, 2007, 10:10:37 PM
In reading that article it seemed fairly obvious to me that the writer didn't go out of his way to tell a complete story.  I had the pleasure of speaking with Coach DuBose last week and he was upbeat and positive regarding the program and his kids.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 06, 2007, 11:06:01 PM
As far as this issue is concerned, coach DuBose is accountable to nobody but his team and staff. Although the news is disheartening, everyone realized it was likely at some point. However, that moment is not now, and the SCAC and the rest of D3 football still have to recon with his knowledge and the Millsaps squad for at least another year.

Regardless of what coach DuBose decides to do, he has single handedly turned the football program around, and gave both of you (exmajor and ferric) the ring on your hand. He gave last years seniors things those players never dreamed realistic. Millsaps' football team has over 100 players on the roster. Think back five years... wasn't the roster around 35? Perhaps he hasn't gone about it the way he should have, but that's not for us to decide. Each man must do what's best for him, and although he would disappoint many people if he did leave, if his heart isn't in Jackson, then he must do what he feels is right.

Millsaps, as well as the remainder of the SCAC, has less than a week until the season begins—may the best team win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 06, 2007, 11:59:34 PM
I'm not buying this article about DuBose.  To be sure, this would really raise eyebrows if the article originated in a Mississippi paper.  Why in the world would someone write about Millsaps in the Orlando paper?  Doesn't sell papers and doesn't make sense.   DuBose is too savvy to give the idea that he longs for big time college football.  He may miss it, but it appears that he enjoys being where he is at Millsaps. 

The writer really put a hatchet to DuBose and to Millsaps without revealing the whole story.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2007, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on August 06, 2007, 11:06:01 PM
As far as this issue is concerned, coach DuBose is accountable to nobody but his team and staff.

I'm fairly certain he's accountable up the college's chain of command.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 07, 2007, 12:47:02 AM
Pat,
You're right.  DuBose reports to the AD, who reports to the President.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 07, 2007, 10:37:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2007, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on August 06, 2007, 11:06:01 PM
As far as this issue is concerned, coach DuBose is accountable to nobody but his team and staff.

I'm fairly certain he's accountable up the college's chain of command.

Agreed, however, maybe it's been awhile since you were part of a team. It's a family. If you read, the article discusses his issues with the "chain of command", not his players. Players are accountable to him, and he is accountable to the team. I understand that in today's world, everyone is connected to some politician (of sorts), but I don't see any faculty or administration on the field. I don't see anyone else sweating and bleeding with the players. I don't see the administration of ANY school suffering with or for the athletes.
So I hold to what I said. In case some have lost sight of it, a coaches number ONE responsibility is his team, and the young men he/she is trying to develope. Isn't that the true point of college athletics? That's why he's an amazing coach. The team is the family. Everything else is a formality.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 07, 2007, 11:15:19 AM
I don't see anything surprising in the article about Coach DuBose.  Going from the budget and staff of a D1 program down to the D3 level has got to have its frustrations and who can blame a guy for putting out feelers that he would be interested in a higher paying and more prestigious job.  I have no doubt that Coach DuBose can get back into a higher level of coaching, but I'm hoping that he'll want to finish out his coaching career in one spot where he can build a program and really make a difference in the lives of some outstanding student/athletes.

On another subject, I see Raymese Savage listed on the 2007 Millsaps roster.  I'm guessing this is the same player who started most of the 2004 season at quarterback and then did a good job filling in at receiver during an injury plagued 2005 season.  He wasn't on the team last season but he is the type player and athlete who could really help in the coming year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2007, 12:32:52 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on August 07, 2007, 10:37:28 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2007, 12:11:58 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on August 06, 2007, 11:06:01 PM
As far as this issue is concerned, coach DuBose is accountable to nobody but his team and staff.

I'm fairly certain he's accountable up the college's chain of command.

Agreed, however, maybe it's been awhile since you were part of a team. It's a family.

Thanks. However, maybe it's been a while since you were part of a professional organization. Coaches are responsible to all sorts of constituencies.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 07, 2007, 01:03:31 PM
Coaches are responsible to other's, which, I acknowledged. In case it blew past you, I was emphasizing the bigger issue at hand. This isn't the NFL or D1 program, it's D3. Division 3 players aren't on scholarship, and, I would assume, D3 sports aren't a major money making endeavor for the coaches or universities. It's about passion for the game. These players spill their guts simply because they love the game.
So, the question is, what/who is more important? Coach DuBose deals with an administration who lends little to no support to himself, the team, or athletic program's in general.
I DO understand what you're saying.. I DO understand he still has a boss.. I DO, however, think that politics don't belong in football. Is it incorrect to say that his number one focus should be the young men he leads? Or any coach for that matter? Is D3 football about the student-athletes, or appeasing constituencies?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on August 07, 2007, 01:07:10 PM
QuoteCoaches are responsible to all sorts of constituencies.

I agree.

Sincerely,

R.M. Knight
Texas Tech University

...couldn't resist  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 07, 2007, 01:08:42 PM
P.S. And I mean no disrespect. I simply wish to keep the focus on what counts--D3 athletes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 07, 2007, 01:10:11 PM
With all due respect, newbie posters shouldn't be telling the creator and owner of d3sports.com where the focus should be.  I kind of think he knows already. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2007, 01:29:35 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on August 06, 2007, 11:06:01 PM
As far as this issue is concerned, coach DuBose is accountable to nobody but his team and staff.

That's what I read.

Quote from: Just_that_kid on August 07, 2007, 01:03:31 PM
Coaches are responsible to other's, which, I acknowledged. In case it blew past you, I was emphasizing the bigger issue at hand.

Eventually you may have gotten around to acknowledging the others, but I was responding to your original post. Once you played the "maybe it's been a while since you've been part of a team" card, I really stopped caring to read anything new you said.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 07, 2007, 05:29:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 07, 2007, 01:10:11 PM
With all due respect, newbie posters shouldn't be telling the creator and owner of d3sports.com where the focus should be.  I kind of think he knows already. 
Like I said, I meant no disrespect. Further, with all due respect, my being a "newbie" to blogging on this website is entirely irrelevant to what I'm saying. I respect Mr. Coleman for all he and D3.com have done for D3 football, but does simply creating something make one an authority? We can agree to disagree... even though the disagreement has less to do with football, and more to do with business. (And no, none of what I just said is a shot at Mr. Coleman, as I'm fully aware of whom he is, and I understand his extensive knowledge of D3 football. Much like any D3 football player, or former player, I appreciate everything this website has done for the game.) I do, however, apologize if I insulted anyone personally, as it was not my intent.
I don't particularly care who does, or does not like me. If you don't agree with what I'm saying, you're more than welcome to your opinion--I whole-heartedly respect it.
Perhaps I didn't clearly express my point from the get-go, and for that I apologize, but the point is valid. The coach's number one responsibility (especially at this level) is to his players. Coaches can take the one knee approach and make all the "important" people in the "chain of command" happy, but that doesn't translate to success on the field. (Refer to Millsaps' record prior Coach DuBose's tenure as head coach).
If I'm young and ignorant as to the "business" end of it, I apologize. When it's all said and done, though, a coach's departure causes complications to an administration, but it hardly compares to the ramifications a team. Players chose a school based on many reasons, coaches being one of them. The personal commitment between coaches and players far out weighs any comparison to a coach and an administration--especially an administration that truly doesn't help a legendary coach turn a doormat into the powerhouse it could potentially become.
Still, though, this is all speculation. Until Coach DuBose resigns, he is still a member of the Millsaps football team, and has yet to do anything detrimental or negative to the program. IF and when he leaves, perhaps this will be more than a newspaper column. Until then, though, he is still in charge, and the SCAC and all of D3 has another season to recon with him and the Millsaps squad. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 07, 2007, 05:49:54 PM
I understand your point kid, but I don't think we should label Millsaps a powerhouse or even "potential powerhouse" after one great year.  I came into the program the year after a co-championship with Trinity, we had an impressive freshman class (numbers wise) and many returing players, but went on to a 3-7 season. 

I am excited about the possibilities of the SCAC race being more wide open than it has in the past, but let's root the Majors onto another fine season before we declare a new power atop the SCAC.  Judging from who is returning this year and from what impact the freshman class may have, I don't see any reason the Majors are not poised for another fine year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 07, 2007, 07:35:35 PM

Good call.  And he has yet to "Turn the program around."  They won the conference, but they haven't had any back to back winning seasons much less conference championships.  I also disagree with the kid on the responsibility issue, particularly at this level.  I believe his responsibility is to perform his duties in a way that upholds the values of the school.  To take the side of the student-athlete in all circumstances would be pretty unprofessional in my opinion. 

Kid, if you're already telling us that you don't care whether or not people like you on this board, you might want to work on your diplomacy skills.  I know I've had my moments on this board, but you've got an awful lot of venom for the few posts that you've made.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 07, 2007, 09:25:32 PM
EXMAJOR
I entirely agree, and I never said Millsaps WAS a powerhouse. I said the powerhouse they COULD be. I've said several times that the conference is wide open. There are several teams who have a legitimate chance to win the SCAC. I feel the competition will dramatically help which ever team represents the conference in the playoffs. My bias aside, I want to see every SCAC team succeed.
Also, I didn't imply that having numbers on the roster equaled success. I'm making the point that; his name alone has brought in depth that Millsaps has been lacking for quiet awhile. I believe Millsaps only lost 4 starters from last season, so the freshman class probably won't be a major factor this year (although I hope several of them can step into playmaking roles).
TU2
Millsaps has had four consecutive losing seasons, finishing in the bottom half each time. In one season, Millsaps went from doormat to conference champions. Perhaps it's premature, but that seems like a turn around to me. There's a different attitude and a different swagger within the program. Simply put, it's night and day. Anyone around the program who actually knows what is and has gone on can attest to what I'm saying.
He does have a responsibility to the school, but the relationship must be two ways. The administration has had done little to help the program or coach DuBose. Truthfully, the administration seems to want the attention of a big name, but is un-willing to maintain. I don't imagine it's easy having to fight to attain simple needs associated with any football program.
And as for myself, I'm a fairly passive individual. I didn't pick any fights, nor do I feel I'm having any. Diplomacy is needed when there is a dispute. We're all grown men. I'd like to think that text doesn't sway the mood of individuals. This is a forum for opinion. My opinions, on multiple occasions, have met rebuttal. I simply defended my position, despite having the true implication of the comment negated because of contextual disagreements and differing opinion.
I'm not spitting venom, nor do I intend to offend. I'm simply defending a coach who's yet to do any harm within his current program, and who's entitled to seek employment where ever he deems fit. Until the whole truth is known, it's simply not fair to judge. I hope coach DuBose elects to end his career at Millsaps, but know enough about the "business" end of the game to realize that a coach must be equipped to do his job, and he's not getting it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 07, 2007, 09:28:04 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 07, 2007, 07:35:35 PM

Good call.  And he has yet to "Turn the program around."  They won the conference, but they haven't had any back to back winning seasons much less conference championships.

I may be mistaken, but I thought last year was his first year as the HC?  So while you're technically correct, DuBose has done more than any other HC in Jackson in quite some time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 08, 2007, 12:09:53 AM
I was going to post yet another blurb about Jerheme Urban yesterday (one where he was called [2nd string Dallas QB] Brad Johnson's favorite WR), but here is a much better one from DallasCowboys.com.  Sounds like the injuries to the top two receivers have finally given the coaching staff a decent chance to see what they have.

http://www.dallascowboys.com/news.cfm?id=41E56191-ABC8-318D-ED2DDCB04E77E43D

Excerpt:

When you ask Cowboys wide receivers coach Ray Sherman about a young receiver, you usually get a standard answer: He's got some talent, that's why we have him; he's made some good plays out there; he'll get his chances to prove himself, especially with our current injury situation; but come preseason, we'll see.

Unless you ask about Jerheme Urban.

"I tell you what, he's had a great camp," Sherman said after last Friday's afternoon practice. "I'm really happy with the way he's practicing and hopefully he'll continue to bring that into the preseason, but he's doing a good job for us and I'm very pleased with him."

Evidently, Urban has impressed Sherman, and that's no easy task. Sherman has seen it all in 20 years as an NFL coach, but throughout training camp Urban has shown him some things he didn't expect.


Good article and a lot more at the link above.  I pinged one of the Dallas Morning News reporters today and he said that Jerheme is in the mix for one of the WR spots.    Hopefully he will play well in whatever time he gets Thursday against the Colts to stay in contention.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 08, 2007, 10:14:18 AM
Anyone know how many players Rhodes lost off that defense?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 08, 2007, 10:58:51 AM
I haven't seen this as an official announcement, but it looks like the Saints have released Chris Jackson.  I didn't see anyone wearing his jersey #15 at yesterday afternoon's practice and Chris is no longer listed on the Saints roster.  In all likelihood, Chris will be like most college football players and he will never play in the NFL, but he definitely put himself in an elite category just by participating in an NFL training camp.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 08, 2007, 11:32:03 AM
It's so hard for a D3 receiver to overcome the built-in prejudices that many coaching staffs have.   If you get any time in camp you are working with scout teams and guys that have a hard time getting the ball to you in the first place.

Speaking of which, according to this (http://www.klfy.com/Global/story.asp?S=6901182&nav=7k7f), Chris was cut to allow the Saints to bring in a FIFTH QB candidate.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 08, 2007, 03:38:42 PM
Exmajor,

"Despite what you say, the college is still ranked high academically (see here: http://www.millsaps.edu/get_to_know/awards.shtml) and has had a very good year in recruitment.  In fact it is a five year high, with the freshman class numbering 297 compared to the past 4 years' final numbers as follows:  '06 = 232, '05 = 258, '04 = 279, '03 = 260 students.  The freshman class also has very good test scores and come from a variety of different places." -Exmajor

Perhaps a more telling statistic would be to look at those students that remain in school at Millsaps (total enrollement, or total students transferring out of Millsaps or not returning).  While freshmen recruitment numbers are slightly on the rise, as I indicated by the success of the baseball team and recent success of the football team, the entire school enrollment is falling.  Moreover, let's avoid a little bit of bias by not going to the Millsaps website to find out about its academic credentials and accomplishments.  The school has dropped in a number of the categories within which it was listed, and has fallen out of others in which it had previously been listed. 

"Regardless of what coach DuBose decides to do, he has single handedly turned the football program around, and gave both of you (exmajor and ferric) the ring on your hand." -Just that kid

Just that kid,
I like what you have to say, but don't assume anything.  Do a little bit of research and deliver some statistics when you report.  In the academic world it is called evidence based research.  I graduated in 2005 and do not have a ring on my finger.  Thanks though for fingering me (pun intended) as a former player that needs to give Mike DuBose his credit.  The man is a good man, has done wonders for the program, but I certainly don't owe him for the ring that is not on my finger.

Frank Ezelle,
You are my man.  Thanks for providing good information.  Yes, you are correct Raymece Savage is back with the team.  He should be seeing rotation at WR.  Good eye, I should have let the board know he was back, but it slipped my mind.

Also, I wonder if Chris Jackson being released by the Saints and Steelers had anything to do with his attitude.  I believe he is skilled enough (after all he did play at Miami-Ohio and is an All-American).  I simply know the coaches at Millsaps used to jokingly call him T.O. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 08, 2007, 04:00:45 PM
Ferric, your statements about the overall state of Millsaps health are interesting.  Do you have hyperlinks to databases that can give us a more complete understanding of the situation?

What is the percentage of students who return after year 1?  Year 2?  Etc.?

What is the percentage that graduate after 5 years?

Were any majors or courses of study that were dropped apart of any "curriculum self-study program" as one might see with SACS (Southern Assoc. of Colleges and Schools)?

How much of a drop was there in the various "beauty contests"?  Practically speaking, much of the fluctuation in those rankings are just like manuevering we see in a peloton in the Tour de France.

If Millsaps is losing favor with high school graduates who are seeking a liberal arts education, has Millsaps identified where those prospective students have gone?  B-SC? Miss College? Rhodes; Vandy; Tulane; Ole Miss; Miss State; Southern Miss; another SEC school?  Have they lost a pipeline of grads out of Dallas or Houston?

Thanks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 08, 2007, 04:29:28 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 08, 2007, 03:38:42 PM
Exmajor,

"Despite what you say, the college is still ranked high academically (see here: http://www.millsaps.edu/get_to_know/awards.shtml) and has had a very good year in recruitment.  In fact it is a five year high, with the freshman class numbering 297 compared to the past 4 years' final numbers as follows:  '06 = 232, '05 = 258, '04 = 279, '03 = 260 students.  The freshman class also has very good test scores and come from a variety of different places." -Exmajor

Perhaps a more telling statistic would be to look at those students that remain in school at Millsaps (total enrollement, or total students transferring out of Millsaps or not returning).  While freshmen recruitment numbers are slightly on the rise, as I indicated by the success of the baseball team and recent success of the football team, the entire school enrollment is falling.  Moreover, let's avoid a little bit of bias by not going to the Millsaps website to find out about its academic credentials and accomplishments.  The school has dropped in a number of the categories within which it was listed, and has fallen out of others in which it had previously been listed. 

Ferric,
I would be interested to see the stats on your point as well.  I realize you graduated in '05 and know that there has been alot of grumblings the last 2-3 years about the administration and the changes they have implemented that have not sat well with the student body.  I assume this is the source of your frustration, but please correct me if I am wrong.  I have been involved in the alumni recruiting effort the last two years and it is no secret that their are issues that must be addressed (there are alot of people working on it) and I will also reserve my judgement for the school's leadership to be discussed offline.  I agree that retaining those freshmen is key, but a five year high is a healthy start to hopefully improving alot of the issues at hand that the school faces.  I only pointed people to that site because it is all in one place, did not want to add 15 hyperllinks to my post.  Am I biased, certainly, but not to the point I don't recognize problems and issues when they arise.

I do have to say and Consultant and Frank may agree, this is the most Millsaps has been posted about in a very long time and I am glad to see we have fellow Majors posting with us.  Let's hope that Coach Dubose and the Majors can retain the championship they won last year for a long time, but like I said, I am a little biased  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 08, 2007, 10:42:04 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 08, 2007, 03:38:42 PM
Exmajor,
I like what you have to say, but don't assume anything... but I certainly don't owe him for the ring that is not on my finger.

Ferric
I do apologize. I did assume you were someone that you're obviously not. Regardless, it's likely that we crossed paths.
You make some very valid points, but, like ExMajor, will leave my grumbles of the school's administration out of the blog realm, unless it's pertinent to football. This, though, is not to say I disagree with anything that you said.
Chris Jackson was five steps ahead of any competition that he saw at Millsaps. I would imagine it's not difficult to become apathetic when you must hardly to not only compete, but simply dominate. I don't condone lowering you work ethic to anything less than one's best, but can surely understand it.

ExMajor
To say there are "plenty" of people working on it wouldn't be entirely accurate. In my opinion, there are a sufficient number of individuals present, but some have too much responsibility, while others don't do enough. I, too, agree that these matters should be discussed offline, if they're to be discussed at all.
Further, like ferric stated, a large number of the students that make up this five year high are directly related to athletic recruitment. If you'd like these statistics to be proven, return to the athletics website, and simply count the number of freshman and sophomore on the rosters. I'm sure you have the class size information, and can do the division from there. Ferric's statement about the retention rate isn't far from true. As much as I do hope the school continues to expand, the school is going to have to lend more support to the athletics department.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 09, 2007, 10:46:25 AM
I only brought up the administration to emphasize the fact that much of Millsaps's freshmen numbers are due to Coach Wise, DuBose and Page.  If the administration can't please DuBose in essence they are damning themselves to smaller freshman classes.  I talked with a Coach yesterday and they were going to have problems out-fitting all of the new men b/c the administration wouldn't pick up the dime.  They were asking the athletics budget and the 4th and 1 foundation to do it.  Needless to say, after enough grumblings, etc. the school picked up the check as they should have.
All I wanted to say was that the administration needs to begin to please the right people.  Obviously they aren't.  Thus, we get DuBose's remarks in a Florida newspaper.
The squeaky wheel gets the grease, except for at Millsaps.
I'm done complaining about my glorious alma mater. 
For what it's worth, I'm extremely glad I went there, and received my B.S.  It is a great school and the faculty is absolutely top notch.  I just wish good attitudes and logical thought could trickle-up.  I suppose we have gravity to blame.

I promise to not complain about the administration.
I promise to not complain about the administration.
I promise to not complain about the administration.  (I feel like Bart Simpson writing on the chalk board).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 09, 2007, 10:57:29 AM
I ran across a Sports Illustrated story about the Saints training camp and one section that fits in with the current topic caught my eye:

"Millsaps is a Division III school with a non-scholarship football program, but you have heard of their head coach: Mike DuBose, who not that long ago held the top job at Alabama. From the Crimson Tide to the Millsaps Majors. Now there's a career nosedive for you."

Ouch!  While Millsaps certainly isn't the University of Alabama, the writer didn't have to be so brutal in his accessment.

Link to story:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/08/07/saints.postcard/index.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on August 09, 2007, 01:59:42 PM
Quote"Millsaps is a Division III school with a non-scholarship football program, but you have heard of their head coach: Mike DuBose, who not that long ago held the top job at Alabama. From the Crimson Tide to the Millsaps Majors. Now there's a career nosedive for you."

Exactly. I promise you the writer went into the interview with his storyline already in his head. He could have traveled to Jackson and found a world class program with a multi-million dollar budget...and he would have still written the woe is me big school to podunk BS... 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 09, 2007, 02:15:41 PM
Agreed.  Writers are such clowns at times.  Perhaps Mike DuBose stayed in Alabama for two or three more in order to be eligible for his in-state retirement.  Oh wait, that is exactly what he was doing.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 09, 2007, 05:34:06 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 09, 2007, 10:46:25 AM
I promise to not complain about the administration.  (I feel like Bart Simpson writing on the chalk board).

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg50.imageshack.us%2Fimg50%2F8823%2Fbartsimpsonmillsapschalwx8.jpg&hash=039dd93816a48731e2ef6ebbb5056a94fd83f522)

or, here's a larger version (too big for the message board limits):
http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/610/bartsimpsonmillsapschalsk1.jpg (http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/610/bartsimpsonmillsapschalsk1.jpg)

or, use this to generate your own version:
http://bart-chalkboard.txt2pic.com/ (http://bart-chalkboard.txt2pic.com/)
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 09, 2007, 06:13:10 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 09, 2007, 10:57:29 AM
I ran across a Sports Illustrated story about the Saints training camp and one section that fits in with the current topic caught my eye:

"Millsaps is a Division III school with a non-scholarship football program, but you have heard of their head coach: Mike DuBose, who not that long ago held the top job at Alabama. From the Crimson Tide to the Millsaps Majors. Now there's a career nosedive for you."

Ouch!  While Millsaps certainly isn't the University of Alabama, the writer didn't have to be so brutal in his assessment.

Link to story:  http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/don_banks/08/07/saints.postcard/index.html

When the University of Arkansas left the Southwest Conference and moved to the Southeastern Conference, they raised the average of the SAT scores of the incoming freshman classes of member institutions in both conferences.

My prayer for Don Banks is that he never goes through the career vicissitudes that Coach DuBose has experienced only to end up at what he currently perceives as a "Millsaps".  On the other hand, it might the thing that "saves" his life.

(I wanted to find out more about Mr Banks, so I googled "Don Banks Biography Sports Illustrated".  What a let-down!  I don't think that he is really Tyra Banks' father, Donald Banks!   :D  )

I think that Millsaps has spent its most recent $31 Million on more apporpriate things than Alabama has.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 09, 2007, 08:39:25 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Biased Statements?)


exmajor,
Agreed that your comments are a "little biased", but you are correct that there has been more Millsaps chat on the board than perhaps ever before.
Now for my always biased prediction; on Oct. 27th all of this Millsaps chat ends.

                                                   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 10, 2007, 02:34:11 AM
Ole Don Banks got my blood boiling a little bit with that dig at DuBose.  But it was not so much that he targeted DuBose.  Rather, I was disappointed that he would suggest that Division III is somewhat unworthy of having high profile coaches or players.  So I wrote the rascal:

Don,
In your training camp postcard about the Saints on August 8, you make the statement that Millsaps' head football coach Mike DuBose has suffered a career nosedive because he was once a division I head football coach at Alabama and is now a division III head football coach.  I understand that you probably know very little, if anything, about division III football or division III athletics in general.  If you want to make a dig at a coach for past indiscretions, that's one thing.  But suggesting that Division III athletics is worthy of nosedive career coaches is absurdly unfair.  Millsaps College is one of the finest schools in the nation, and it fields highly competitive athletic teams.  As a former student-athlete at Millsaps, I am terribly disappointed that you would slight Millsaps College and Division III schools nationwide with such unsubstantiated statements.   It's also worth noting that Mike DuBose can coach.  After all, he was named SEC Coach of the Year in 1999, and he was named Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference Coach of the Year in 2006 after leading Millsaps to its first conference title since 1996.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 10, 2007, 08:47:57 AM
Ole Don Banks hasn't learned one thing...

Division I players aspire to play in the NFL.

Division III grads (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2006/08/09/D-III+alumnus+named+NFL+commissioner) aspire to run the whole thing (http://www.nfl.com/news/story/9591854).

:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 10, 2007, 09:20:11 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 09, 2007, 06:13:10 PM
I think that Millsaps has spent its most recent $31 Million on more apporpriate things than Alabama has.

Are you saying the $$ spent on Lynn Lang to get Albert Means was inappropriate?  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 10, 2007, 11:03:37 AM
Millsaps football players are reporting today and have their first practice tomorrow.  The overlap with the Saints isn't too bad since the last Saints practice is Wednesday morning.

Story:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/081007story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 10, 2007, 06:27:28 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on August 10, 2007, 09:20:11 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 09, 2007, 06:13:10 PM
I think that Millsaps has spent its most recent $31 Million on more apporpriate things than Alabama has.

Are you saying the $$ spent on Lynn Lang to get Albert Means was inappropriate?  :D
Actually I was thinking about Nick Saban...

but the only reason that Alabama did not get the Death Penalty is that the NCAA will never give the Death Penalty to a Division I BCS Prima Donna.  Another "make an example of the the SMU's of Division I"? Yes!!!

An Alabama?  NO!  NO! And HECK NO!  >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 13, 2007, 12:26:42 PM
I split time yesterday between photographing the Saints on the upper practice fields and watching the Millsaps team practice on the stadium field.  The afternoon temp hit 103 and I hate to think how hot it was on the stadium's artificial turf.

It was impossible to get a feel for the talent of the team, but I was impressed by how well the coaches ran the practice and the hustle of the players.  It was a 3 hour practice and they made good use of all 3 hours.  Millsaps has a scrimmage with Belhaven this Saturday and maybe that will give some insight regarding newcomers that might help right away and returnees who might have stepped up their game during the offseason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 13, 2007, 12:42:34 PM
I spoke with a coach at Millsaps and he said that 125 kids were supposed to report to camp, but only 115 did so.  Moreover, he also said that about 10-15 of the freshmen have the potential to make an impact.  We shall see. 
Also, regarding Frank's post.  While I was playing at Millsaps, we had a thermometer at field level and temperatures on the sprint turf typically reached just north of 120 in August.  Some people would lose up to 15 pounds of water weight during practice (and subsequently check into the hospital to receive IV fluids).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 13, 2007, 02:26:36 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 13, 2007, 12:42:34 PM
I spoke with a coach at Millsaps and he said that 125 kids were supposed to report to camp, but only 115 did so.  Moreover, he also said that about 10-15 of the freshmen have the potential to make an impact.  We shall see. 
Also, regarding Frank's post.  While I was playing at Millsaps, we had a thermometer at field level and temperatures on the sprint turf typically reached just north of 120 in August.  Some people would lose up to 15 pounds of water weight during practice (and subsequently check into the hospital to receive IV fluids).


Back when I played ball in the late 70's, they stuffed salt tablets down us like they were candy.  Oh and they also had severe limitations on water during practice.  It's a wonder we didn't have someone die on us. 

Several years ago, ESPN aired the "Junction Boys" movie.  Afterwards, there was a round table discussion of the surviving members of that team. Lo and behold, my HS coach was one of them.

I had this epiphany right then and there as to why he was such a hardass idiot of a coach back then.  It all suddenly made sense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 13, 2007, 05:21:44 PM
Hi Jackson folks,

I'm seriously considering attending a Millsaps game this fall (gee, wonder which one) and need some info on logistics. 

(1) About how long is the trip from the airport to Millsaps itself?  (Yes, I know, Mapquest is your friend but doesn't know about local road conditions)
(2) Is there a reasonably priced motel anywhere close by?  There's no way for me to get back Saturday night unless American adds a flight later than the current 5:30PM one, which seems doubtful. 

Thanks for any tips!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 13, 2007, 05:53:27 PM
Ron, whilst you're in Jackson, be sure to eat at the Mayflower downtown.  Great southern cuisine, and historically famous for being a place that Meadger Eavers (sp?)--I believe--used to hang out in. 

And do keep in mind that I've never steered you wrong, at least from the restaurant perspective!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 13, 2007, 06:52:17 PM
Ron,

The drive from the airport to the campus is generally around 15-20 minutes.  There are a couple of different ways to go, but both end up around the same.  For ease, I would recommend the 1-20 west, to 1-55 north way, take the left exit for Woodrow Wilson and take a left onto State Street.  You will see the college on your right a few hundred yards down.  I would stay at the Cabot Lodge (Millsaps) which is on State Street virtually next door to the school, you will see it first.  It has very reasonable rates and is the most convienient.  I believe most teams stay there for overnights as well.  And yes, the Mayflower is good as Josh suggests, but there is plenty more around the area. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 13, 2007, 08:38:17 PM
The field temperature at Millsaps has climbed well above 130 degrees.

If you'd like to come to a Millsaps game, the cabot lodge would probably be your best option. The hotel is actually on Millsaps property, and within walking distance. I would HIGHLY recommend the hotel. It often hosts post-game gatherings in the lobby, as many parents stay there.

If you'd like to see a heated fight, perhaps you should come to the Millsaps/Mississippi College game. It's a true rivalry. Recruiting and hometown bragging rights, among other things, turns this into one of the most festive games of the year. The turnout is actually much larger than the Trinity game, or atleast it was last season. This year, the game will be held at Mississippi College, which is about 30 minutes south, and is one of the largest and most attended stadiums in all of D3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 13, 2007, 10:21:09 PM
Thanks for the info, sounds like the Cabot is the place to go.   

With re WHICH game I'd rather see one that has some relevance on the playoff picture and first games of the seasons are usually pretty sloppy anyway.   If I ever go to a rivalry game involving a SCAC team it'll be DePauw-Wabash. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on August 14, 2007, 12:49:31 AM

[/quote]

Back when I played ball in the late 70's, they stuffed salt tablets down us like they were candy.  Oh and they also had severe limitations on water during practice.  It's a wonder we didn't have someone die on us. 

Several years ago, ESPN aired the "Junction Boys" movie.  Afterwards, there was a round table discussion of the surviving members of that team. Lo and behold, my HS coach was one of them.

I had this epiphany right then and there as to why he was such a hardass idiot of a coach back then.  It all suddenly made sense. 
[/quote]

Those 'ole "Junction Boys" were coach by Bear Byrant who then coached Mike Dubose (kinda six degrees of Kevin Baconish). Therefore those Millsaps boys probably aren't enjoying  the Bear Byrant inspired camp too much with the turf conditions. Although it does produce results considering how the SCAC turned out last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2007, 08:52:35 AM
For any BSC fans who read Ray Melick's article on Tuesday (http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/rmelick.ssf?/base/sports/1187079582270750.xml&coll=2), here is the discussion by D3football.com posters of his article. (Click here for Future of Division III message board) (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3880.1005)

Welcome to BSC fans.

I think this episode gives you an idea of where you BSC and Division III fans will find accurate information and knowledgeable commentary.  Please encourage your friends to join us.



Error corrected on the hyperlink to the Future of Division III message board.  +1 to Ron Boerger for detecting that!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2007, 12:38:44 PM
April 2007 article talking about  stadium construction. (http://www.al.com/bsc/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1177575448295170.xml&coll=2&thispage=1)

BSC should be in their new stadium by 2008.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2007, 12:40:32 PM
BSC gets largest freshman class ever. (http://www.al.com/birminghamnews/stories/index.ssf?/base/news/1187166115197260.xml&coll=2)

456 freshmen and 51 transfers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 15, 2007, 01:02:42 PM
From the article Ralph quotes:

"[BSC] is spending $6.5 million in the first phase of adding facilities to house the new sports teams. A new practice field, football weight rooms and locker rooms and a new stadium and track are under construction on what was wooded acreage on the northern edge of the campus. The team now is practicing at nearby Legion Field and will play home games there, at Regions Park and one at Homewood High School."

Lessee, based on the discussion I had with coach Jones about 100 kids came in to play football (including transfers) ... at $30k per year that's $3M per year.  A two-year payback, basically.  Sounds like a wise investment given they were losing over $5M PER YEAR in the athletic program before.  Now it's a profit center!   And with B-SC adding m/w lacrosse and m/w track the number of kids attracted to the college due to all sports is probably higher than 100. 

The school probably got some donors to underwrite some of the improvements.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 15, 2007, 02:24:03 PM
I seem to remember a rather large article on d3football.com dedicated to school's adding Division III sports and simultaneously bolstering school enrollment, particularly in males.  It worked at Huntingdon, and is going to work at BSC. 

If you think about it, try to count the number of college schools a student/athlete can go play ball at in Alabama (off hand I think of about 13)...it isn't many, compared to Mississippi with a rather large JUCO program, and several dIII, or NAIA schools and about 2/3 the state population (I believe there are roughly 20+ schools with football programs in Mississippi).  It will be interesting to watch and compare the growth at BSC and Huntingdon compared to other established dIII football programs in the area like Sewanee, Rhodes, Millsaps, etc.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 15, 2007, 02:40:37 PM
Alabama State Population: 4,447,000

College Football Programs:

Alabama A & M, Auburn, Alabama, Alabama State, UWA, UNA, Jack State, Troy, Concordia-Selma, Huntington, BSC, Samford, UAB (a few more I think, but don't remember).

Mississippi State Population: 2,910,500

College Football Programs:

Bellhaven, Millsaps, Mississippi College, Jackson State, Delta State, Mississippi Valley State, Alcorn State, Mississippi, Mississippi State, Southern Miss, Colin, Hinds, Holmes, Coahoma, East Central, East, Itawamba, Meridian, Northeast, Northwest, Pearl River, Southwest, Coahoma, Mississippi Delta, Mississippi Gulf Coast.

BSC could become a fairly good team rather quickly if they can keep athletes in-state.  Look at Huntington; they lost there first 11, and then turned in some pretty impressive numbers and nearly beat Trinity in '05 (which in my opinion was a pretty big deal at the time).  Not bad for a young program.  Let's see if BSC experiences the same kind of good fortune as quickly as Huntingdon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 15, 2007, 04:15:21 PM
Good data, Ferric!

I think that the key to the success in the South is making the D3 model of Student-Athlete more popular, as it is in Ohio, Minnesota and Pennsylvania.

I think that the key is getting the student-athlete that cannot make it in D-1, but has the low D-1 solid D-2 skill level, to see the value of a D-3 education.  He chooses to play football at a D3 school!

There are literally hundreds of Alabama high school grads, every year,  that have that skill level, but who have never thought of the D3 model.

I think that is the key to growth in the South.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on August 15, 2007, 11:33:29 PM
I agree with "Iron" major here. Once BSC finishes their football upgrades and becomes eligible for the SCAC championship they have the potential be a top tier program in all of Division III. If that becomes true, winning the SCAC may no longer go to a team that has an undefeated record. Trinity and Depauw will always battle near the top along with the occasional underdog taking a stab at it, but a conference with typically three or more strong teams has trouble determining an "outright" conference champion. The good news from this could be that the SCAC may eventually start getting open bids to the NCAA playoffs...if the league becomes competitive enough. So I welcome BSC and I hope their movement to Division III brings more light to the SCAC.

Ironmajor: With the disparity between Mississippi and Alabama college football programs, are you assuming that Huntingdon will remain competitive with BCS in the picture?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on August 16, 2007, 01:03:21 AM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 15, 2007, 02:40:37 PM
Alabama State Population: 4,447,000

College Football Programs:

...(a few more I think, but don't remember).


Miles College and Tuskegee (over 85 yrs) are two others off the top of the head.

Totally befuddled how UA-Huntsville has an intercollegiate, varsity vs club no less, hockey team but no football.  Drought not withstanding, even a relocated midwesterner realizes that grass lasts longer than ice in Alabama... ::)  Have a great season, SCAC members - well, except the Dannies from Greencastle  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 16, 2007, 11:31:57 AM
Line up in Chronological Order,
I do think that Huntingdon will remain competitive even as BSC begins to grow.  I think there are plenty of great high-school athletes in the state that never play college ball.  Once the word gets out on BSC, and Huntingdon, I think we will see the programs grow tremendously.  If BSC had a football program when I was looking at schools, I seriously would have considered it.

Cave2bens,

Thanks for the help.  I even had a kid from the High School I coached go to Miles and I couldn't think of it.  I'm originally from Huntsville and took courses at UAH and have no idea why they don't have a football program.  For what it's worth, there hockey program is top-tier.  You are right, it doesn't make any sense though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 16, 2007, 11:34:37 AM
Video interview of Coach DuBose by Birmingham television station.  Click on the arrow in the "Video on Demand" box:

http://www.wiat.com/sports
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 17, 2007, 08:30:40 AM
Millsaps story on the first few days of practice--the photo is from a practice on the lower practice field (same area as the softball field), an area that was expanded into a full size field for the Saints.  Just one example of how the Saints being on campus does help the athletic department.  I'm sure this expanded field will really come in handy with football and 2 soccer teams practicing during the fall, and the other students at Millsaps also benefit since this area is used often for intramurals.

Link:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/081607story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 17, 2007, 08:41:21 AM
For those of you needing a little football fix with the season just a couple of weeks away, here are two YouTube videos from the Millsaps campus:

SCAC Championship Game:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9KQC89bNW0

1st Week of Saints Camp:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zrFnQAiYQxU

Unfortunately, the quality of photos suffer during the compression process used by YouTube.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maconfootballobserver on August 17, 2007, 02:39:36 PM
Good discussion concerning BSC and and D3 football in Alabama.  If I may add a few points. 

At one time BSC was by far the most prestigious and competitive school in Alabama.  However its' location in an area of Birmingham that has decayed substantially over the years has, I believe, contributed to its declining enrollment.  I also noticed that the average test scores of admitted students appears to have slid a bit over the years as well.  Samford University, on the other side of town and in a much nicer section of Birmingham, seems to have fared much better.  It appears that the BSC switch to D3 is, at least initially, having a positive impact.

With respect to the above calculation of a 2 year break even on start up costs for the football program, I think it will take a bit longer.  I base that on the fact that my son received a very generous scholarship offer from BSC that was quita a bit more than other similar schools.  Although a good student, his test scores were not off the charts, and therefore I doubt if they are actually getting $30K for each additional enrolled student.  Still an improvement in overall finances, but probably a bit longer payoff than calculated above, particularly considering the ongoing operational costs of the football program in addition to the stated start-up costs.  Of course in a football crazy state like Alabama, a significant amount of donated money directed to the new football program may flow.

With respect to D3 becoming a more popular option in Alabama as in the other states mentioned, I see 2 impediments.  Since D3 schools tend to be more competitive academically, a significant number of the D2 quality athletes alluded to are not academically qualified as they probably would be in the states you mentioned.  Also, the average income in Alabama is significantly lower than the states you mentioned, and therefore fewer families of Alabama athletes both academically and athletically qualified can afford the higher costs of a private D3 school as compared to the largely state supported schools which compete in Division 2.

With all that said, I was very impressed with BSC's commitment to its football program, both the Athletic Department and the administration and faculty.  Coach Jones is a proven winner and he has assembled a top flight staff.  I believe it will not take long for BSC to be very competitive in the SCAC.  Although my son opted to play at another d3 school, I expect good things at BSC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 17, 2007, 03:07:36 PM
I noticed that you mentioned BSC being near a bad part of town.  Isn't every good liberal arts school located near the ghetto?  I'm pretty sure it's the measuring stick.

Millsaps College - West Street and downtown Jackson.

Birmingham Southern College - Insley, which by the way is currently the syphilis capital of the U.S.  Trust me, I've rolled with the Jefferson County Health Department and it isn't pretty.

Rhodes College - Memphis...

Ogelthorpe - Near College Park...

It just seems that since these schools are all so old, a majority of them were in once thriving communities that have now suffered since the Suburbanization of the past few decades.  The one exception.  Sewanee.  Let's just face it, it's in the middle of nowhere.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maconfootballobserver on August 17, 2007, 04:13:38 PM
Can't comment on Millsaps, but I'll agree with you that Sewanee is in the sticks.  However, it's always been in the sticks and the area around it hasn't decayed significantly.  Centre is in a nice part of a picturesque small town.  Rhodes is actually adjacent to some very nice old neighborhoods in Memphis.  I think the BSC issue is that the school is in an area that was once a nice middle class neighborhood that has become a ghetto, and there ia a similar school in the same town that is in a much more desirable area, i.e. Samford.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 17, 2007, 05:08:05 PM
I have seen the comment that the discount rate for BSC was 55% percent "back in D-I".  The move away from D-1 scholarship athletics has allowed the school to re-allocate its scholarship monies.  The stated discount rate this year is around 44%.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on August 18, 2007, 10:45:22 PM
I dove up from UCLA (upper corner of lower alabama) to watch sewanee vs huntingdon in a controlled scrimmage... hard to say a lot...but sewanee appeared to be  a little bigger and .... possibly..slower

huntingdons defense was more swarming... but both will hit

since it was controlled...no one really won, but hutingdon scored 3 x and sewanee failed to score... but both offenses were sloppy

huntingdon had better returns on kick offs... both looked about the same on punts....sewanee's punter  (or at least one of them) appeared to have better hang time, about equal on pat/fg...except huntingdon blocked one of sewanee's

and i agree with a previous assessment.... sewanee's campus is not...thats not in a bad part of town

after the game...we ate water melon.... i played d-2...and the boy (son) was recruited to play the same... but opted for d-3 (academics)....it was hot, dry....but every one was nice....

i like d-3...uh.... so far

so go hawks, war eagle, how 'bout them dawgs, and gig'em                       (i spent toooo long in school)

good luck in the scac this year
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 20, 2007, 11:50:00 PM
For anyone else who may wonder why there are only seven SCAC games showing up in the Kickoff predictions ... per the SCAC website B-SC is not eligible for the conference championship this year and games against B-SC do not count in the SCAC standings.   Thanks to Keith and Pat for catching that and to Ralph for asking why there were only seven games. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 21, 2007, 04:44:57 PM
Announced yesterday:  BSC will scrimmage Maryville 1 PM Wednesday at Legion Field.

http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2007/8/20/practice%208-20-07.asp?path=football

From the article it looks like the first week of practice has been a bit of a struggle ... which is only to be expected.


This article has been removed from the B-SC site so it looks like the scrimmage has been cancelled. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 22, 2007, 01:06:32 AM
Ron,

+k for your help with the D3 Kickoff!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 23, 2007, 09:47:54 AM
Has anyone seen DePauw practice over the last 2 weeks ?  I get updates from my son, but they are focussed on his progress and not the team overall.  I will be attending the scrimmage this weekend against Franklin. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 23, 2007, 12:53:04 PM
Scrimmage is at Franklin this year, correct?  You have a start time for that, Fripp?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 23, 2007, 02:18:52 PM
DPU - I believe it is at 1 and it is at Franklin.  My son told me they run it a bit different than a traditional controlled scrimmage.  They apparently practice together for a period of time.  Then they break off into a scrimmage.  His schedule indicated 3 hours long so it should be over around 4.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 23, 2007, 02:34:59 PM
Quote from: Fripp52 on August 23, 2007, 02:18:52 PM
My son told me they run it a bit different than a traditional controlled scrimmage.  They apparently practice together for a period of time.  Then they break off into a scrimmage. 

Thanks for the assist.  If it's anything like past years, they'll run a few blocking drills, some 7on7 and a little 9on7 before they actually scrimmage a half of football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 24, 2007, 09:16:22 AM
DPU - I confirmed last night the scrimmage starts at 1 at Franklin.  It looks like they get there at 1130.  I presume with dressing out and stretching, etc, they would be ready around 1215 or so.  I assume they practice with Franklin until around 1 and then go into the scrimmage until 4.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bubba the Petrel on August 24, 2007, 09:39:24 AM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 17, 2007, 03:07:36 PM
I noticed that you mentioned BSC being near a bad part of town.  Isn't every good liberal arts school located near the ghetto?  I'm pretty sure it's the measuring stick.

<snip>

Ogelthorpe - Near College Park...

It just seems that since these schools are all so old, a majority of them were in once thriving communities that have now suffered since the Suburbanization of the past few decades.  The one exception.  Sewanee.  Let's just face it, it's in the middle of nowhere.

Oglethorpe University is in the Brookhaven area of DeKalb County, which is nowhere near College Park - you don't know much about Atlanta, do you? ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 24, 2007, 10:50:39 AM
2007 SCAC Predicted Order of Finish released:

http://www.scac-online.org/football (http://www.scac-online.org/football)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 24, 2007, 11:01:37 AM
Nope, nor do I care.  I care about three things in Atlanta.  The parking lot that was the Launching Pad, the wall commemorating the April 8th, 1974 blast, and Turner Field. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 24, 2007, 12:16:48 PM
As is usually the case, the preseason poll is almost exactly like the final standings from the previous year.  Millsaps and Trinity captured all of the first place votes but some other team or teams received some of the 2nd place votes.

Millsaps opens play in less than a week with a 6:59 kickoff next Thursday against MS College. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 24, 2007, 12:21:42 PM
I figured the count would be close between Millsaps and TU, but Millsaps would get more 1st place votes after last year's final score. 

DPU snuck at least a couple second place votes in there, frank.  I suppose a very good recruiting class does have to warrant some consideration.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2007, 12:30:40 PM
I invite you SCAC fans including Ron Boerger (the 2003 Tri-Champ), Ex-major (the 2004 leading amateur), and historymajor, who has played all five years, to participate in the 6th Annual ASC Pick'em contest.

We will have one SCAC game of the week, a South Region GOTW and a National GOTW.  The contest runs thru the final week that an ASC team is still standing.

Good luck.

2007 ASC Pick-em Contest (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3600.859)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2007, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on August 24, 2007, 12:21:42 PM
I figured the count would be close between Millsaps and TU, but Millsaps would get more 1st place votes after last year's final score. 

DPU snuck at least a couple second place votes in there, frank.  I suppose a very good recruiting class does have to warrant some consideration.

Here is one possibility, though probably not the correct one.  9 voters, 1st place=8 points since CC not included in the vote:


Millsaps:  6-2-1-0-0-0-0-0 = 68  [this is the only one that is definitely correct]
Trinity:   3-4-2-0-0-0-0-0 = 64
DePauw:    0-3-2-2-2-0-0-0 = 51
Rhodes:    0-0-2-3-2-1-1-0 = 40
Centre:    0-0-1-2-2-3-0-1 = 34
Austin:    0-0-1-0-2-2-3-1 = 27
Colorado:  0-0-0-2-1-3-1-2 = 27
Sewanee:   0-0-0-0-0-0-4-5 = 13
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: benbraddock on August 26, 2007, 09:01:17 AM
Quote from: Fripp52 on August 24, 2007, 09:16:22 AM
DPU - I confirmed last night the scrimmage starts at 1 at Franklin.  It looks like they get there at 1130.  I presume with dressing out and stretching, etc, they would be ready around 1215 or so.  I assume they practice with Franklin until around 1 and then go into the scrimmage until 4.


Read DPU3619's post above.  He has it right.  They'll take longer than that to get ready and everything should start at 1 (they won't be out on the field for 4 hours).  Skill guys will do 1 on 1's i believe.  Linemen will do 1 on 1 pass rush.  Then 7-on-7 and 9-on-7, and finally a short half of scrimmage.  This is the way it has been done the last couple years. 
All of my info is just from what was done a couple years ago with this scrimmage format so it could have changed slightly.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on August 26, 2007, 09:48:17 AM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 24, 2007, 11:01:37 AM
Nope, nor do I care.  I care about three things in Atlanta.  The parking lot that was the Launching Pad, the wall commemorating the April 8th, 1974 blast, and Turner Field. 

That's funny.  My son is a freshman at Millsaps.  Every time that we have gone to see the Braves he has wanted to get his picture made next to "the Wall" going up and robbing a home run or just runnig the bases (in the parking lot).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2007, 10:09:45 AM
Here's the SA Express-News' preseason writeup on Trinity:

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082607.12M.FBCSect.TrinityStory.en.1ae6c92.html

Funny how their SCAC "projection" (like the ASC one) matches up perfectly with the preseason coaches' poll.  LOL!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 26, 2007, 12:26:35 PM
Thanks for the article, Ron.

As I looked at the URL, I tried to break down the "code".   :D

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA082607.12M.FBCSect.TrinityStory.en.1ae6c92.html


"http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/" -- That is clear.

"MYSA082607." -- My San Antonio with today's date

"12M.FBCSect.TrinityStory." -- something to do with a Trinity Story in the football section.

"en." -- written in English

"1ae6c92.html" -- the rest of the URL, html, Amen.  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2007, 12:28:54 PM
12M sounds like a page number, for what it's worth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 27, 2007, 07:38:52 AM
Did anyone see the scrimmage on Saturday ?  DPU did not look all that good.  Franklin looked more determined and a bit better.  I have it 2 TDs and a field goal to none.  One of the Franklin TDs was on a bad punt snap over the freshman punter's head.  He should have kicked it out of the end zone, but he just kind of stood there.

To be fair to DePauw, they have a lot of injuries to starters.  I counted over 15 kids in gray shirts on the sidelines and talking to the trainer before the game, he said they have a lot of injuries.  Lots of freshman got prime time play.  I counted 3 OLineman of the starting 5 and 2 of the starting 4 Dlineman as freshman.  And probably another dozen got significant time.  I have no idea what Franklin was facing as far as injuries were concerned.  Marks only played a series or so.  My son indicated the coaches were not happy after the game.

Time well spent if they get it fixed now.  They have a final tune up with an inter squad scrimmage on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on August 27, 2007, 10:09:56 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 21, 2007, 04:44:57 PM
Announced yesterday:  BSC will scrimmage Maryville 1 PM Wednesday at Legion Field.

http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2007/8/20/practice%208-20-07.asp?path=football

From the article it looks like the first week of practice has been a bit of a struggle ... which is only to be expected.


This article has been removed from the B-SC site so it looks like the scrimmage has been cancelled. 


I don't know why BSC removed all mention of Maryville from their press releases, but the scrimmage did take place.   They had BSC's offense and MC's defense at one end of the field and MC's offense and BSC's defense at the other, so there were two scrimmages taking place at the same time.  For a team that existed for a week and a half, BSC looked very good.  Their offense scored about a dozen times while MC only scored twice.  Here is the article from the B'ham news: http://www.al.com/bsc/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1187857143101220.xml&coll=2 

and the BSC website: http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2007/8/22/scrimmage%208-22-07.asp?path=football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2007, 11:38:48 AM
Well, there are rules about publicizing scrimmages, so that probably had something to do with it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 28, 2007, 02:43:43 AM
Just a note to say I will be attending the AC vs. SWAG game in Sherman this week.  I will try to post my thoughts sometime next week.

Any other AC fans on the board or am I the "Lone Stranger"?  ;D

Josh Bowerman, will you be in town Saturday?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 28, 2007, 09:26:24 AM
I'll be there too, roocru--camera in tow covering the game for d3football.com!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2007, 09:27:21 AM
Quote from: roocru on August 28, 2007, 02:43:43 AM
Just a note to say I will be attending the AC vs. SWAG game in Sherman this week.  I will try to post my thoughts sometime next week.

Any other AC fans on the board or am I the "Lone Stranger"?  ;D

Josh Bowerman, will you be in town Saturday?

Roocru, since I'm planning on seeing several SCAC games already in Sherman this season AND my wife will be out of town too, if I go to a game it will be the one in Marshall between ETBU and Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 28, 2007, 08:17:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2007, 09:27:21 AM
... if I go to a game it will be the one in Marshall between ETBU and Trinity.

Bonzo, my family and I will also be in Marshall ...  I hope to get to meet you there ... if not before the game, stick around afterwards.  GO TIGERS .. of the Trinity variety, of course! 

BTW, there's WAY too many Tiger games this year ... ETBU 9/1, CoCo 9/22, DPU 10/13, and UOS 10/20.  That's 40% of the schedule.  What's up with that?  And 60% are CATS!
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2007, 09:16:10 PM
Welcome to the Tigeric Collegiate Athletic Conference.  There has to be something in the bylaws that says schools get preferential treatment if they have feline mascots. 

Cool news about the live AV broadcasts.  I knew they were working on it but didn't want to let the cat out of the bag [/obligatory cat reference].
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on August 28, 2007, 09:18:32 PM
Personally, I think all the SCAC Tiger teams should play for the nickname on a yearly basis, kind of like the service academies play for the Commander In Chief's Trophy. Winner gets to keep the nickname for the remainder of the sports schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 28, 2007, 10:38:57 PM
Maybe the winner of the TCAC playoffs could be crowned the Survivor and earn the exclusive right to use the theme song for the rest of the school year.

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Yo, that would be a Rocky road to the championship ...

::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 28, 2007, 11:38:02 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on August 28, 2007, 09:18:32 PM
Personally, I think all the SCAC Tiger teams should play for the nickname on a yearly basis, kind of like the service academies play for the Commander In Chief's Trophy. Winner gets to keep the nickname for the remainder of the sports schedule.
For what accolade would you be contending?  The cat's meow.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 29, 2007, 12:04:17 PM
You know you're having a bad day with your deceased grandmother leaves $12,000,000 to her dog and nothing to you (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070829/helmsley_s_pooch.html?.v=1)

But back to football, it looks like a last minute deal was struck and Millsaps football will be on the air again this year (sorry Pat, but it's the same guys that you hated last year).  I believe we have a group of Millsaps parents who stepped in and helped make the broadcasts a reality--thanks to all of you who made that happen.

The plan is to broadcast all of the games, both home and away, with the first game coming tomorrow night at Mississippi College.  The opening kickoff is at 6:59 and I'm sure there will be some sort of pregame show.  I don't know when that starts.  There will be a weekly coach's show and the schedule hasn't been set for that at this time.  Here's the link to the radio station:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/listenlive.php
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 29, 2007, 12:20:41 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 29, 2007, 12:04:17 PM
You know you're having a bad day with your deceased grandmother leaves $12,000,000 to her dog and nothing to you (http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070829/helmsley_s_pooch.html?.v=1)

But back to football, it looks like a last minute deal was struck and Millsaps football will be on the air again this year (sorry Pat, but it's the same guys that you hated last year).  I believe we have a group of Millsaps parents who stepped in and helped make the broadcasts a reality--thanks to all of you who made that happen.

The plan is to broadcast all of the games, both home and away, with the first game coming tomorrow night at Mississippi College.  The opening kickoff is at 6:59 and I'm sure there will be some sort of pregame show.  I don't know when that starts.  There will be a weekly coach's show and the schedule hasn't been set for that at this time.  Here's the link to the radio station:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/listenlive.php

Thanks Frank,

I was about to send an email to the ESPN station in Jackson to see what the deal was.  I saw on their website that the Millsaps logo was up, but did not see any games on the schedule.  Did the school have a hard time reaching an agreement with those guys for this year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2007, 12:48:54 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, Frank. Bummer about the broadcast crew, however. :(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 29, 2007, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2007, 12:48:54 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, Frank. Bummer about the broadcast crew, however. :(

You're welcome, Pat.  I like the guys on the broadccast crew but they definitely take a home team approach rather than attempting to be neutral.  MS College has a live video setup for the game for those who want to pay a little money--I can't tell from their website if they have a free audio only webcast.  Here's a link that you can check:  http://www.gochoctaws.com/

Exmajor, I'm not in the loop that gets inside scoops about Millsaps athletics, so my guess is that it was a matter of cost.  I know that in the last week a group of the football parents pledged a significant amount of money to help with the costs and it seems like that made the broadcasts possible.

My hope is that Millsaps will do more this year to get the news out to alumni outside of the Jackson area.  Last year there was little or no information that past from the school to their alumni base regarding the internet broadcasts or much of anything about athletics in general.  I tried to address this by doing a sports email on my own in 2006-07, but that project failed when the Millsaps administration said no to my request to send the sports email to the alumni database just one time with information of how they could sign up for additional emails if interested. 

The SID does a great job in providing information to the media and the sports teams and individual players have done great things over the last few years.  Now we just need to do a better job of getting that information out to the alumni both in the Jackson area and throughout the nation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 29, 2007, 02:37:15 PM
Barely made it out before Millsaps kicks off on Thursday - here is a link to the 22-page 2007 SCAC Football Prospectus:

http://www.scac-online.org/football/07footballprospectus.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/football/07footballprospectus.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 29, 2007, 02:37:50 PM
Agreed Frank!  Maybe the Clarion-Ledger could help out in that area . . . or maybe not!  ;D  What a joke when it comes to local sports coverage of the three small school teams in the area.  Of course this is a battle alot of DIII schools fight.  I do appreciate you being the eyes and ears on the ground in Jackson for the rest of us outside state lines!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2007, 03:28:36 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 29, 2007, 02:27:28 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2007, 12:48:54 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, Frank. Bummer about the broadcast crew, however. :(

You're welcome, Pat.  I like the guys on the broadccast crew but they definitely take a home team approach rather than attempting to be neutral.  MS College has a live video setup for the game for those who want to pay a little money--I can't tell from their website if they have a free audio only webcast.  Here's a link that you can check:  http://www.gochoctaws.com/


I can live with homers that actually call the game. Making fun of the opposition, filling the broadcast with inside jokes, that's what's unprofessional and shouldn't be aired.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2007, 07:39:30 PM
One thing I want to try to do is listen to more coaches shows this year. If you or Frank can post reminders on the day of the show, that would be cool.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 29, 2007, 08:05:10 PM
Agreed. I'm not sure the B-SC discussion was in possession of all the facts, but it was good in theory.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 29, 2007, 08:18:57 PM
Welcome aboard, Big C.

You have been helping us D3 fans in changing the sporting news paradigm.  D3football.com became a very valuable, if not your primary, source for news, commentary and links to games and podcasts.  That meant the some SID's press release was seen here by you as opposed to being "cut" by the sports editor.

Hopefully, Pat Coleman received another "front page view" that was read by Google ads from which he received some revenue (for a season's worth of views).

We D3 fans have the future in our hands.  We need to encourage our SID's to give us content and let college administrations know that sports and event content has entertainment value.

We have bypassed media that does not pay attention to us, or it does pay attention to us and gives us space in its medium.

I encourage you to talk up this site to your friends.  The more people viewing the content, the better the site can become.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on August 29, 2007, 09:25:26 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 29, 2007, 02:27:28 PM
MS College has a live video setup for the game for those who want to pay a little money--I can't tell from their website if they have a free audio only webcast.  Here's a link that you can check:  http://www.gochoctaws.com/
Frank,
   The audio is provided for free through Stretch Internet, you just need quicktime. The live video is also available but it is part of a subscription. The charge is $9.99 for the month and can be cancelled after the game. Our internet provider, Internet Consulting Services, let's us stream at 548 Kbps so it is a high quality video, about twice as large as a standard webcast. We will also have live stats working.
    Our site should be updated with links for everything in the morning, I have been a little slow this week with everything going on.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 29, 2007, 09:52:14 PM
SCAC Pick 'ems are ready - first game is actually tomorrow nite so get your picks in!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 30, 2007, 12:08:48 AM
As most of the posters on this board know, I was a high school coach and athletic director in Texas for 35 years before retiring last June.  One of the reasons I retired was because of an offer to go to work for an internet based athletic software firm named ACS Athletics (AssistantCoach Systems).  I am in charge of the high school sales and support division of our company.  My primary task this fall is to work closely with the Texas High School Coaches Association to develop a web site sponsored by my company and the THSCA.

That web site is called Pressbox (www.pressboxservices.com) and will be available to the public beginning this Friday night.  It is a site which will have searchable team and individual offensive and defensive statistics, individual and game action photos/video and updated media links to the teams and players you list as a favorite.  All of this information is being inputted by the Texas high school coaches themselves.  This site will also serve as a way to update data to the Fox Sports Friday night live TV show called HS Scoreboard.

Basic information will be free and full access to all data will be available for a subscription of $9.95/month.  The THSCA will receive a large portion of the revenue to further their efforts to support the high school coaches in Texas and each school will receive a rebate for every subscription that lists them as the team of choice. 

This web site will only get better and better as the season goes on and I would urge all who view this to check out this great source of information on all the high school football players and teams in Texas.  It should also be a great source of information for those who are interested in the recruits we hear about for next year. 

Also, lest anyone wonder, I did clear this with Pat Coleman before posting.  If you have any questions please send me a PM and I will be happy to answer. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 30, 2007, 10:24:43 AM
Well, here we go with the season!  Here is the write-up from the Jackson newspaper on tonight's backyard brawl:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070830/SPORTS030105/708300342/1085/SPORTS

I would say that there is more riding on this than the columnist thinks.  Any non-conference wins surely help at large chances for a team like Millsaps.  With the tight SCAC race anticipated, it is important the Majors secure this win tonight, I am looking for an offensive slugfest, should be interesting!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2007, 10:26:00 AM
I don't think Miss Coll is gonna hang up 50 on Millsaps again but it should be an interesting matchup!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 30, 2007, 12:03:16 PM
Last year's game should be totally disregarded when it comes to predicting tonight's results.  During the first several games last year, the Millsaps defensive backfield was a mess as they tried to learn a new defensive scheme.  We kept hearing that Coach DuBose was putting in the whole defensive package all at once instead of a little at a time, and the first few games were going to be full of errors, but it was worse than I could have imagined.  Quite a few quarterbacks could have thrown 5 TD passes in a half against that first game defense.

Tonight there will be no "learning curve" excuses from either team since so many starters are coming back on both sides. I expect a well-played and extremely competitive game that will greatly help both teams prepare for thier conference schedule.  MC goes straight to ASC play in their next 4 games and Millsaps only has 1 more non-conference game until opening SCAC play.  I'll take a completly uneducated stab at the final score with a prediction of a Millsaps victory (naturally) by a score of 31-24.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 30, 2007, 12:31:43 PM
The reporter from the Clarion-Ledger has clearly missed the ball.  The Backyard Brawl is a huge game.  In its first year since the hiatus, there was probably close to 10,000 people in attendance.  Of course, such a huge number was dwarfed by an even larger stadium in the Veterans Memorial Coliseum which seemed to swallow-up the DIII crowd. 
Worth note, the visiting team has won every game since the hiatus.  Even the games at Veterans Memorial Coliseum were won by the visiting team (the team wearing white). 
Also, Millsaps will be wearing new uniforms tonight.  They will be New Balance uniforms, and will be the second unifrom change in the past five years. 
I'm predicting a little bit closer game than Frank.  Millsaps' defense needs to step up big.  I'm sure the Offense will do their part.
Millsaps 31, Choctaws 30 (30???  I don't know, maybe they have a PAT blocked or something).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Boo Radley on August 30, 2007, 12:58:55 PM
Interesting comment about BSC, Pat.  They have certainly been a strong addition to the SCAC.  But as you indicated, the facts of such a rare transition to D3 from D1 can really get confused.  For example, BSC has the same academic profile and size.  As a Phi Beta Kappa institution, they haven't seen their test scores go down over the years and they still remain the strongest academic institution in the state of Alabama with the highest scores.  They are the only top tier nationally ranked liberal arts college in the state.  Samford has done very well, but they aren't in the same ranking group or academic category as Rhodes, Sewanee, Southwestern or BSC, or the SCAC in general.  I believe the only dip in BSC's enrollment occurred when they decided to go from D1 to D3 and the reports say that was planned for.  With the highest freshman enrollment in their history, up 55% this year, and a football squad of over 120, one would have to say they knew what they were doing.  And their discount rate for their D1 athletes was 92%.  It is now reported at half that for almost twice as many D3 athletes and the average GPA and scores haven't dropped in the slightest.  Sounds pretty profitable and academically sound.

Alabama was a ripe market for this program.  Doesn't matter how many college football programs there are in the state.  There weren't any D3 national liberal arts programs in the state.  All of these students were leaving and going to other SCAC and national colleges if they wanted to play sports.  BSC just captured a large chunk of this market.  And I agree, there probably isn't a better coaching staff at D3.  Joey Jones was a real catch.  Based on the early scrimmages, they may surprise a lot of people this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 30, 2007, 01:11:01 PM
Just a reminder to all the returning parents and players, and a "head's-up" for all new players and parents...

I cover several SCAC and ASC games each year as a staff photographer for d3football.com.  This weekend, I'll be covering the Austin College/SWAG contest in Sherman.

The images from the game will be posted on this site by the end of the weekend (I hope--I'm promising things that aren't totally in my control), and will be available for purchase.  The proceeds from these sales benefit this site (and d3hoops.com and d3baseball.com). 

I hope that you'll check the shots out, and will consider supporting the site through purchasing one or two.  I also hope that you'll stop by and say "hello" if you're at the game--it's always nice to meet fellow DIII fans.  I'll be the guy in the floppy hat roving the the sidelines with camera and big lens in tow. 

I'm always available for special requests, so if any players or parents from AC/SWAG have any, please don't hesitate to send me a private message via these message boards or email me at jbowerman@austincollege.edu.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 30, 2007, 11:20:56 PM
Millsaps loses backyard brawl to MS College 27-26...  led at one time 20-3.... 0-1...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2007, 12:34:47 AM
More importantly, what's the status of Juan Joseph? He left and did not return.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2007, 12:45:06 AM
Nothing on either MC website and doubt there will be anything known in time for press in the Clarion-Ledger.   Maybe Frank can help us out.  Hopefully the injury was minor. 

EDIT ... Millsaps has a stub (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/083107story.shtml) which says nothing about any injury.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 12:57:54 AM
Juan is fine. In case you weren't at the game, or simply didn't notice, Millsaps' 2nd and 3rd team units (offensively and defensively) played the majority of the second half, including most of the third and the entire fourth quarters. MC's starters remained in the game until the end.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on August 31, 2007, 12:58:03 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2007, 12:45:06 AM
Nothing on either MC website and doubt there will be anything known in time for press in the Clarion-Ledger.   Maybe Frank can help us out.  Hopefully the injury was minor. 

EDIT ... Millsaps has a stub (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/083107story.shtml) which says nothing about any injury.
The game ran late tonight so it was a scramble getting things online. I did not see Joseph get injured so I would hate to speculate but I don't think it was serious from what I was told. He had a great game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on August 31, 2007, 01:23:12 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 12:57:54 AM
Juan is fine. In case you weren't at the game, or simply didn't notice, Millsaps' 2nd and 3rd team units (offensively and defensively) played the majority of the second half, including most of the third and the entire fourth quarters. MC's starters remained in the game until the end.

For anyone that read that post, it is not an exaggeration.  The second strings played the entire fourth quarter, even on MC's final drive to take the lead.

I have been watching football for 40 years (played at Millsaps in 79 and 80) and not much shocks me anymore....but this did.  I only make it to a few games, so I will not speculate on the reasons that this was done because I am hardly on the "inside."

Let me say this though, Millsaps is dangerous.  The first team defense was outstanding and dominated a talented MC offense.  The offense looked shaky (missed two opportunities in the red zone) but is loaded with talent.  Kicking is a major concern (two missed PAT's and a missed FG).   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on August 31, 2007, 01:35:41 AM
Juan is fine. I was at the game. The first string team looked great. They built up a 26-6 lead until in the mid 3rd quarter Coach Dubose put the 2nd and 3rd string players in the game for good. I believe that was his plan the whole time because throughout the first three quarters he would take them out for a series here and there. Dubose likes to look at things with the big picture in mind. Although they lost, they were able to show dominance with their first stringers and he was able to get a lot of his freshmen into the game to get some quick experience before they roll into the SCAC schedule. This was also all without starting tail back, starting X-receiver, and starting strong safety to make sure that they are completely healthy before the conference schedule. The positive out of the game was that the Millsaps defense only gave up 3 points in the first half compared to 35 in last years contest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 01:49:22 AM
Chrono: I entirely agree with you right up until the "offense looks shaky" comment. the offense that millsaps runs is hit or miss. there generally aren't too many, extremely long drives. millsaps had over 250 yards in the air and had scored 26 points by half. multiply by two. that's an extremely good night. and the starters didn't even play the whole first half.
it was an extremely good game, and you are 100% right on the "bigger picture." younger players got the chance to play a game when something was on the line, and not when the team was up by 40. invaluable experience.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2007, 01:50:45 AM
Giving your 2's and 3's a chance to get playing time in game conditions:  good
Losing the game because your 2's and 3's stayed in the entire 4th q:  bad

So let's say Millsaps wins out - 9-1 is a very good season.  But somewhere down the road in the playoffs they will have to play someone 10-0 and thanks to the loss will have to hit the road to do it.   Harder on the players, harder on the home fans, the great majority of whom will not be able to hop on a plane at short notice. 

Anyway, I do look forward to seeing the Majors in person in Sherman in two weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 31, 2007, 07:45:55 AM
The best way I can describe the game is to compare it to the 3rd exhibition game for an NFL team--at least from the Millsaps side.  The starters played the first half and a series or two in the third, and then they were done for the night.  As a Millsaps fan, I actually have no problem with the plan, but I might be pretty ticked off about it if I were an MC player or coach.  It's one thing to get beat by your rival and quite another for them to "tank" the game because they have bigger fish to fry.

Maybe "tank" is the wrong word because I'm sure the Millsaps coaches were doing all they could to win the game while using the 2nd and 3rd team.  The only thing they didn't do was reinsert any of the 1st string in an effort to hold on to the win.  In many ways it was just like last year when DuBose installed a defensive scheme at the first of the year that was difficult enough to lead to some blowout losses early on and effective enough to lead to an SCAC title later in the year.  Non-conference games are used to get ready for conference games--I don't think it would fly at Alabama, but this isn't the big business of D1 sports.

Maybe I've just had one too many drinks of the Mike DuBose Kool-Aide, but here are some pros to offset the con mentioned by Ron:
--Millsaps saw what they needed to see from their starters.  While Millsaps and MC both fumbled away a good scoring opportunity in the first half, the 17 point halftime difference was a good reflection of the two teams.  If it was a conference game, the final score would probably have been around 35-10.
--Reports say that Juan Joseph was injured and I'm not sure if that is correct, but Millsaps lessen the chance of a key injury by not having key players playing much of the 2nd half.
--Millsaps played 74 players and most got a good bit of playing time.  These guys just went through a couple of weeks of 100 degree practices and they were rewarded with some playing time while helping build depth, something the 2006 team was lacking.
--And finally, I think Coach DuBose clearly demonstrated to the players just how high his goals are for the team, basically saying that a win over a local rival isn't significant compared to his goals of making the program a national program.  I'm sure he has told the players this many times, but his actions last night spoke much louder than words. 

I'm sure there are some Millsaps fans who are upset that Millsaps gave away the game.  All I can say to them is remember last year and how well that worked out for the team.  I'm also sure that some board members will read this and just think it is a Millsaps fan trying to put a positive spin on a crushing defeat.  I understand how you would feel that way--I've never seen a coach take this kind of approach, especially against a big rival.  It was an odd way to open what seems to be a very promising season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2007, 07:56:41 AM
Here's one other con:

If Millsaps does NOT win the SCAC, they will have virtually no chance to get a Pool C bid at a best possible record of 8-2.  They may very well win out and make this moot, but it's still an interesting situation.  Unlike the pros, there is no 'preseason' when it comes to which games count and which do not when you select Pool C teams, unless you play an out-of-region or non D3 team.

Here is the Clarion-Ledger (http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070831/SPORTS030105/708310371) writeup on the game, which mentions an injury to Joseph but goes into no further details.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 31, 2007, 08:39:57 AM
Ron, I'm going to guess that the plan behind last night's game was to give Millsaps the best chance possible at winning the automatic bid instead of keeping hopes alive for an at-large.  I would say that the at-large possibility is null at this point, and it would have been only slightly better than null if they finished second in the SCAC.

Another negative is simply having lost to a rival school in a game you could have easily won.  That won't sit well with some folks and I doubt that DuBose really cares as long as his players and coaches understand and see the big picture.  I'm not saying that last night was the right or wrong approach to take.  It certainly was an approach that very few coaches would use and therefore it is something that many would disagree with.  I happen to believe that Mike DuBose knows more about football and this team than I do, and in an odd way, his willingness to take this approach gets me excited about the future rather than depressed over last night's results.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
RON: Out of curiosity, how likely would it have been that Millsaps get a pool C bid even if they did win all but one conference game? I haven't been following D3 extremely long, but when was the last time two SCAC teams both made an appearance? I don't know how the pool C bid works.

Regardless, I doubt Millsaps is playing for a pool C bid. It isn't the old Millsaps. Anything short of defending the crown would be unaccountable.
The experience and depth is what Millsaps lacked last season. For example: When Tyson Roy and Nick Namis went down with injuries, Millsaps had to rely on a freshman who hadn't seen many looks. Kenny Metzger is a quality back, but hadn't been thrown in the fire. Trinity and C. Mellon made him  battle tested, and now he's part of a "back by committee" situation.

I agree with Frank. I don't pretend to know what Coach DuBose is thinking, but I'm sure he's got something in mind, and something in store. Any way you look at it, Millsaps' starters absolutely dominated M.C. last night.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 31, 2007, 09:32:39 AM
Not much else to say about this than what has already been said.  I was able to follow the fourth quarter and was very disappointed with the outcome.  However, like Frank has alluded to, Dubose has a plan and he stuck to it last night.  After an incredible run last year, I am not questioning anything at this point.

I agree with Ron that this virtually eliminates Pool C chances, but depth was an issue last year and it appears it is being addressed early.  I am interested in seeing this plan play out as the season progresses.

Of course this really hurt's my pick-em chances this year, wish Coach Dubose and I were on the same page before I called Millsaps by 14!  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 31, 2007, 09:32:59 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 31, 2007, 07:45:55 AM
Maybe I've just had one too many drinks of the Mike DuBose Kool-Aide, but here are some pros to offset the con mentioned by Ron:
--Millsaps saw what they needed to see from their starters.  While Millsaps and MC both fumbled away a good scoring opportunity in the first half, the 17 point halftime difference was a good reflection of the two teams.  If it was a conference game, the final score would probably have been around 35-10.

Whoa... What's in that Kool-Aid???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2007, 09:44:37 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
Regardless, I doubt Millsaps is playing for a pool C bid.

Which is fine. But not playing to win, which is what's being suggested here, is ludicrous. Not just a Pool C bid but a shot at a first-round home game rides on winning every non-conference game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2007, 09:45:32 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 09:25:59 AM
RON: Out of curiosity, how likely would it have been that Millsaps get a pool C bid even if they did win all but one conference game? I haven't been following D3 extremely long, but when was the last time two SCAC teams both made an appearance? I don't know how the pool C bid works.

It's a long story but basically a 9-1 team with all games in-region and good results is close to a lock at a Pool C (unless you're UMHB, long sad story there).   The selection committee looks at a number of factors including strength of opposition, results against other playoff teams, record, and such.  There's a page somewhere on the site that describes the process, I'll have to see if I can dig it up.

The SCAC has never had a pool C bid, but I also don't think it's had a team go 9-1 and not win the conference.

Re the depth argument and the other valid points made here:  I'm not disagreeing with any of that or with the fact that coach DuBose has more coaching talent in his little finger than I have in my whole body.  It's just unfortunate that the margin of error as far as making the playoffs is now totally gone.   DuBose's strategy paid off last year and may pay off again this year. 

EDIT:  Here is what Pat had to say about Pool C last year.

Quote from: Pat Coleman from 2006 Playoff Projections
Pool C was not as easy. There are nine teams with one loss and only seven spots in Pool C. This year our team of bracketologists went one step further in our playoff projections, mocking up the final regional rankings that the committee will work from. We felt this was important with the shuffling in the East Region and especially the West, because Pool C candidates are evaluated in the order in which they are ranked in the region. The top team on the board in each of the four regions are evaluated against each other, and once a team is put in the field, the next team from its region replaces it on the list.

These are the primary criteria (not in priority order) which will be reviewed by the NCAA:
• Win-loss percentage against regional opponents
• In-region head-to-head competition
• In-region results against common regional opponents
• In-region results vs. regionally ranked teams.
Opponents are considered ranked only if they are ranked at the time of the ranking or playoff selection process.
• Quality of wins index–only contests versus regional competition (see Quality of Wins on the left-hand rail for most recent calculation)
• Conference postseason contest(s) is included.

One thing was brought home to me over the past year: Note that some areas say "results" against regional opponents, regionally ranked teams, etc. This does not say winning percentage. It's possible that merely playing a regionally ranked team and losing is better than going 0-0. Something to keep in mind.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 31, 2007, 10:07:10 AM
Making the tournament is certainly the most important thing...you can't win a championship if you don't qualify for the tournament.  BUT, it is a tough, tough chore to do it playing on the road...and coming out of the South region, that road is quite literally longer than most.  Going 10-0 means you definitely don't have to go someplace like Pittsburgh in the first round and it could likely mean that you don't have to leave campus until mid-December.  It's puzzling that a coach would treat non-conference games like they were exhibitions.   ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 31, 2007, 10:40:25 AM
I've got to go with Pat on this one.  Not playing to win is ridiculous.  I understand that Millsaps pulled all of the starters and never let them return to the game, but resting your first team kids for the entire second half is absurd. 
A friend of mine talked to DuBose yesterday morning, and wished him well in tonight's game.  He told my friend that the game didn't matter, but they were definitely "keeping score."  I believe DuBose even said this to the  news paper.  Well, obvioiusly they weren't keeping score.  If I was a player like Casey Younger that was at Millsaps when they were posting 2-8 records I would be a little bit upset that my coach didn't let me compete for a victory in my senior season opener against my rival. 
Do you think Tech would sit their kids against Georgia b/c the game just doesn't count when you look at ACC standings?
What gives?
PLAY TO WIN
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 31, 2007, 10:42:34 AM
Great discussion!  I don't know what to make of this either.

Seventy-four guys getting PT sounds like MUC depth.

Here's a question for the Millsaps guys.

Are there enough Junior colleges in Mississippi who would commit to filling 6 to 10 JV dates for Millsaps (and /or Mississippi College)?

If that is the case, then you can build an MUC or St John's dynasty.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 31, 2007, 10:47:36 AM
Wow.  This is one of the more unbelieveable things I've seen in a long time.  Talk about putting all of your eggs in one basket--seems pretty cavalier for a team that's only finished above .500 twice since 1999.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 31, 2007, 11:32:41 AM
Most people seem to disagree with how Millsaps played the game and I certainly understand that.  It was clear from the result of the first 3 quarters that Millsaps was the far superior team Thursday night.  I feel sure that the players and coaches on both sides recognize that fact.  I don't know about the fans, but it is interesting that no MC fans have posted so far (at 10 a.m.) about their big victory, making me think that they realize it was a fairly hollow victory.

So why would a head coach give away a victory?  I'll propose a theory that might fit, one that I would find acceptable, but let me stress that this is just my theory:

--Coach DuBose said at the Senior Appreciation ceremony last spring that he'd like to build a program that had 20-30 seniors each year instead of the handful from the 2006 team.
--Coach DuBose also would like to build a program that is competitive on the national level and is a factor in the national playoffs.
--To accomplish these goals you need a large roster that is deep in talent.  You will not have 20-30 seniors each year unless you give guys playing time.  You won't have depth unless you give guys playing time.
--The problem last night was that the guys playing at the end of the game were guys with very little college playing experience.  A year from now they will be guys who have some college experience under their belt and they will be far less likely to lose a 20-point lead. 
--In the short term of one game or even one season, losing that game may not make much sense.  In the long term scheme of building a program that is competitive year after year, last night might have been one step backwards to eventually move three steps forward.

While this may seem like a stretch, in many ways it is like the Mississippi College basketball program, a team that is competitive on the national level because of their deep bench and depth of talent.  Millsaps football right now is in that transition year where they are trying to build depth and maybe they are willing to sacrifice 2 non-conference games this year to build that depth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on August 31, 2007, 11:39:47 AM
Frank, with all due respect, that really is a stretch! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 31, 2007, 11:40:02 AM
FerricMajor brings up another interesting point.  As long as the senior leadership of this team buy into the overall strategy by Dubose I think this team is certainly headed in the right direction, but if there is some grumblings about the way the gameplan was handled last night amongst the players it could pose some real problems.  

I speculate that everyone in the know at Millsaps is one the same page and has bought into the strategy.  Just having two winning seasons in a row would be a nice accomplishment for the Majors, another conference title would be two steps ahead and playoffs two years in a row would be icing on the cake.

I am reserving my judgement until November and there is alot of football to be played between now and then!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 31, 2007, 11:57:48 AM
The ASC thanks the SCAC for the Quality win!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 31, 2007, 12:01:31 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMk5sMHj58I)

YOU PLAY TO WIN THE GAME.  Hello?  You play to win the game.  You don't play to just play it.  That's the great thing about sports.  You play to win.  I don't care if you don't have any wins.  You go play to win.  When you start telling me, "It doesn't matter," then retire.  Get out.  Because it matters.  So that....that... this whole conversation bothers me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on August 31, 2007, 12:04:02 PM
Playing not to win a regular season game is unimaginable.  Does that mean they were playing to lose?  Winning will bring more quality players to the program than anything else.  Most kids want to play for a winning team.  I'm not sure I've ever heard of something like this.  I hope Millsaps has a good season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on August 31, 2007, 12:13:52 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 31, 2007, 11:32:41 AM
Most people seem to disagree with how Millsaps played the game and I certainly understand that.  It was clear from the result of the first 3 quarters that Millsaps was the far superior team Thursday night.  I feel sure that the players and coaches on both sides recognize that fact.  I don't know about the fans, but it is interesting that no MC fans have posted so far (at 10 a.m.) about their big victory, making me think that they realize it was a fairly hollow victory.
Frank,
Since you mentioned no MC fans posting I should probably put up something so no one gets the wrong idea from MC people.
    I do not share the same opinion and don't feel hollow about the win at all. I know our players don't  either. I also would not agree one team was far superior through three quarters. I thought the difference was Millsaps was completing passes and MC was not.  MC was sloppy in every phase while Millsaps was sharp. In the first three quarters Millaps was 26-39 passing while MC was 10-31. Even with that huge difference, Millsaps had only outgained MC 329-257 and was averaging just 1.8 yards per rush. MC had also committed more penalities, had a punt blocked, fumbled three times, losing one, and thrown an int.
   I would 100% agree that Millsaps was very sharp and playing much better football. I thought Juan Joseph played a great game and is a heck of a player. Millsaps will win a lot of games this year, they have a solid team and I was very impressed with how they played. Joseph makes them that much better.
   I honestly was not paying close attention to Millsaps' personnel, but I did notice several skill position backups in the game for whatever reason, but I thought most of the starters up front were still playing.
   I think the MC players felt fortunate to still be in position to get the win considering how poorly they played and the caliber of team they were playing, but it's still a win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 31, 2007, 12:21:49 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on August 31, 2007, 11:39:47 AM
Frank, with all due respect, that really is a stretch! 

Actually, it would only be a stretch if I had posted it prior to the game and suggested that it would be the Millsaps game plan.  Given the facts of how the game was played with the Millsaps starters resting most of the 2nd half, what I wrote seems to be one of the few feasible explanations.  

Let me once again say that this isn't the plan that I would have followed, but then again, I'm not a person who could take the same basic team that went 2-7 in 2005 and turn them into a SCAC champion in 2006.  Keep in mind that in 2006 DuBose did something similar by putting in a defense that the players couldn't really execute in the first several games of the season.  It probably didn't make a difference in the MC game of 2006, but it may have cost them a victory in the Louisiana College game (38-41) and the Huntingdon game (34-35).  And one could argue that this willingness to accept a couple of early season losses was key to winning the SCAC.  

I guess we'll see how it all plays out over the next few months.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on August 31, 2007, 12:31:07 PM
Fascinating start to the season.

I've never heard of a coach at this level pulling starters and letting them rest to the point of losing a regular season game, not when the playoff margin is so incredibly thin and not in such a big rivalry.

But there's an interesting logic to Frank's points and I'm glad he's making them.  Very, very interesting -- I hope the host of the weekly coach's show pushes on this a little and finds out Coach Dubose's strategy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on August 31, 2007, 12:40:26 PM
DPU and Wally_Walbash,

Thanks guys for thinking clearly.  You play to win.  

Chris Brooks,

Again, let's all pow-wow and talk football.  Sadly, interceptions, dropped passes, fumbles, and blocked kicks are part of the game.  If a team looks more superior than another team it's typically because they capitalize on their opponents mistakes, or simply execute better than their opponent.  Millsaps did that while their starters were in.  MC did not.  That is pretty much the definition of "superiority."  I know this is an absurd arguement seeing as MC ended up winning, but let's all agree that there will be no complaining about the idiosyncrasies (e.g. penalties, turnovers, gale force winds, the shape of the ball?) of football.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 31, 2007, 12:50:08 PM
Chris, let me respond and then I'll probably have said all I can say on the subject.  The use of the word "hollow" was a poor choice.  MC played hard and they didn't quit and congratulations to them on the victory.  In a way, I think it was unfair to them that they didn't have the chance to regroup and come back on the Millsaps starters, but it will go into the books as a good win for MC and that helps the program.

I assume that MC had their first team in the entire game but I'm not familiar with their personel so I wouldn't have known if they put in the non-starters unless it had been the quarterback.  Naturally I'm more familiar with the Millsaps personel and most of the starters were standing with me on the sideline in the 4th quarter.  I kept hoping they would go back in but they didn't really look like guys who were expecting to play anymore.  

I'd like to add that I hope MC goes on to have a great season.  I'm a believer in pulling for the Mississippi teams and I'd like to see MC make some noise in the ASC.  I'd love to see a rematch of these two teams in the first round of the NCAA's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on August 31, 2007, 01:00:52 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 31, 2007, 12:40:26 PM
Again, let's all pow-wow and talk football.  Sadly, interceptions, dropped passes, fumbles, and blocked kicks are part of the game.  If a team looks more superior than another team it's typically because they capitalize on their opponents mistakes, or simply execute better than their opponent.  Millsaps did that while their starters were in.  MC did not.  That is pretty much the definition of "superiority."
I would agree with all of that, it's part of being a good football team or a bad one. But I do think there is a difference in a team being "far superior" and a team playing superior on any given day, that is my only point. I did not think Millsaps physically dominated the game in the first three quarters. They made their own breaks and took advantage of MC mistakes, and the Choctaws did not. But I have nothing bad to say about Millsaps. You had to be impressed with them last night and I would chalk up a lot of wins for them this season.

Quote from: FerricMajor82 on August 31, 2007, 12:40:26 PM
I know this is an absurd arguement seeing as MC ended up winning, but let's all agree that there will be no complaining about the idiosyncrasies (e.g. penalties, turnovers, gale force winds, the shape of the ball?) of football.  
I think we would all also agree that you can't say you have a far superior team because you led through three quarters. But like I said, Millsaps has a solid team again this year and would be my pick to win the SCAC, particularly with Trinity coming to Jackson again. It will be hard for a team to travel here and get a win over the Majors from what I saw last night.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2007, 01:11:06 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 31, 2007, 11:57:48 AM
The ASC thanks the SCAC for the Quality win!  ;)

Yeah, maybe that's what upset me the most - it cost me in both the ASC and SCAC Pick'ems!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 03:07:55 PM
It would seem that the common idea as to why coach Dubose made this move was to rest his starters. Perhaps he just wanted to give his bench a chance to play a "real" game. Playing in a game where something is on the line is FAR different than getting in the game when your team is up by 40, and you're playing against another teams backups. We got to see, at this point, what the second and third teams are capable of, and as the game progressed (although it did end in a loss), the reserves were gaining steam and momentum against STARTERS.

Brooks: MC was dominated in ALL phases, not just one. No Millsaps starters returned to the field after they were pulled with the exception of a few receivers who played out of position (simply out of need). The offensive line actually went to it's third team.
Hypothetically (let's just pretend), let's figure that Millsaps had a comparable second half. They would have had 40+ points and 500+ yards of offense, while keeping MC under two scores. It's not very difficult to imagine. (As bases for my implications, refer to Millsaps' offensive and defensive statistics from last season, then consider returning players.)
Not to mention the blitz happy, man press MC played in the second half. I can only speculate, but Millsaps had freshman receivers getting open. I don't want to imagine what faster, more experienced veterans would have done against it. Blitzing against the style of offense Millsaps plays is a gamble, and they had been taking advantage of mistakes all night.
Another point... I'm pretty sure Millsaps' defense didn't blitz often either. Dubose usually has his defense blitzing the moment they get off the bus. It's his style. I could have gotten ugly.
All that said, Mississippi College is an excellent team, and I nod my head for their poise, and the way they played to the end. I take nothing away from them or what they accomplished.

Pat: I do understand what you're saying, but no one said Millsaps wasn't playing to win. Coach Dubose simply elected to play to win the game with his reserves. If he has that confidence in his team, and his leaders support him, then perhaps it's a winning nucleolus. I don't entirely understand the choice, but coach Dubose could very well have forgotten more football than every member of this blog will ever know. Knowing how players will respond to adversity, and pressure is a key to success.
Here's my take, and you can chose to hear it, or simply write it off. The attitude in Jackson is simple--the SCAC crown comes through Jackson. I just don't believe coach Dubose or any of the player believe they won't defend their title. That being said, perhaps coach Dubose felt his reserves could defend the lead, and if lost, re-capture it. Millsaps' 2nd and 3rd team offense DID start to drive the ball against MC starters.

Turner: Mississippi Junior colleges are some of the best in the nation. some are practically division 1 teams. I think if Millsaps played JV games, it would likely be against NAIA and D3 schools. Millsaps does have plans for fielding a JV squad this year.

Ex Major: Thank you for hitting on the point. If the team buys into why things are being done, and believes in themselves and the coaching staff, great things can be done.

Gordonman: no matter how hard the weekly show host pry's, I'm positive the coach Dubose won't tip his hat. Let's remember, he's fairly acquainted with the media.

The haters will hate, and the doubters will doubt. I just hope the SCAC come ready to play because Millsaps' defense in ice cold, and the offense can light up the sky like it's Baghdad. It's going to be another awesome season! Again, good luck to MC, and the SCAC. I wish them all success, and hope they bring their "A" game week in and week out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 03:14:28 PM
Sorry for all the typing mistakes. I will try to edit next time! haha.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 03:28:06 PM
Big C, it couldn't have been said better! I entirely agree! Regardless of what any of us think, both teams accomplised a great deal, and will continue to get better. Both teams still have 9 games (and hopefully more) to play. Both programs and coaching staff's are top notch!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 31, 2007, 05:33:50 PM
Hmm... I am new to D-3, but not new to football.  I used to coach HS ball in Houston many moons ago.

I'm all for putting in my backups when the game is in hand, but I'm not sure I sacrifice the W for getting those guys more playing time.  I'd bet the guys on the the third string would agree with that as well.  This is a team game with a team goal of wining. 

This ain't daddy-ball, "let's not keep score so no one feels like a loser."

Good lord, will DuBose start serving Hi-C and orange slices at halftime now as well?  An entire new class of soccer moms is born. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 31, 2007, 07:44:09 PM

I just came in on this one and I find it totally bizarre.  Absurd is another word that comes to mind.  There's nothing like a zero in the loss column and why you would take a loss as long as you can play your backups is like junior high philosophy.  I can't believe they did it on purpose.  Could it have been cramps?  It is awfully hot right now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tom33 on August 31, 2007, 08:20:33 PM
I mean you need the the W. That is what everyone is working for all season long. Playing time for the second team should come when the game is in hand, not at the expense of a loss.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on August 31, 2007, 08:34:39 PM
Fair enough. The goal is to get a W, but I for one won't question Dubose. I'm sure he had his reasons, and he's got something in mind. Like I said.. he's probably forgotten more about football than we will probably ever know. There are still quiet a few games, and as long as Millsaps wins the ones that count the most.. well, that's all that matters!

There are 9 more games, folks. Millsaps has proven that they can NO DOUBT play quality  ball. Let the season unfold. May the best team be standing when the dust clears.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on August 31, 2007, 09:29:44 PM
I would agree with Frank.  I do not think that DuBose was playing to lose.  Putting the reserves in to garner experience in true game situations (read not a blow out) when their effort and performance means something will pay huge dividends down the road.  I truely doubt the Coach intended it to wind up getting as close as it did, but when presented with the situation as it was  he elected to allow his second and third squads to show their mettle and possibly salvage a win or get a big goal line stop on their own rather than being rescued by the "cavalry".  I think that that would have been priceless to the team as a whole and the downside risk ( a non-conference loss to a pseudorival) was noiminal.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 31, 2007, 09:34:27 PM
Just that kid,

Thanks for the post.  I know about the quality of Mississippi JuCo's.  That is why I asked.

There just aren't any NAIA's (except Belhaven) that are within the travel budget of a JV team.

For instance, Millsaps 2011 JV sample schedule:

Miss College 2 games, Belhaven 2 games, LaCollege 2 games, and I don't think that they have a JV.

You need at least 2-4 more games to fill out the schedule...maybe JuCo's

Does anyone else have any ideas?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on August 31, 2007, 09:55:48 PM
Quote from: Jawbreaker on August 31, 2007, 09:29:44 PM
I would agree with Frank.  I do not think that DuBose was playing to lose.  Putting the reserves in to garner experience in true game situations (read not a blow out) when their effort and performance means something will pay huge dividends down the road.  I truely doubt the Coach intended it to wind up getting as close as it did, but when presented with the situation as it was  he elected to allow his second and third squads to show their mettle and possibly salvage a win or get a big goal line stop on their own rather than being rescued by the "cavalry".  I think that that would have been priceless to the team as a whole and the downside risk ( a non-conference loss to a pseudorival) was noiminal.

I wouldn't say that the risk was nominal.  From what everyone says, this loss really did some damage to our chances to host a playoff game, should we win out (which I believe we will). 

As someone who played football, I can only wonder how I would react had this happened in a rivalry game.  I wonder how the players feel about it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 31, 2007, 11:06:23 PM

I read a lot of it, and I just still can't believe he consciously benched his starters.  Presuming it was a legitimate bench clearing, I can't believe that all Millsaps fans aren't outraged.  I think the ones who try to justify it are just so excited about this year that they can't dream of questioning the savior.  It's not like he's Bear Bryant and y'all are Tide fans.  He's been just barely farther with Millsaps than the legendary Ron Jurney. 

If I were one of the guys who built that lead, I would have to be quite upset. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2007, 11:41:34 PM
Quote from: Big C on August 31, 2007, 10:32:07 PM
It was very frustrating however because the consequences of the facts described herein is that the Majors are 0-1 rather than 1-0 and likely eliminates the remote possibility of the SCAC sending more than one team to the playoffs --- think about it.

Not quite.   A 9-1 Trinity with a loss only to Millsaps would also be very likely to get a Pool C bid.   Same for a 9-1 DePauw with only a single conference loss (though I think that somewhat less likely). 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 01, 2007, 01:57:32 AM
I was skeptical last year with the 'just wait and see" mantra of Coach DuBose.  But I waited, and darn if I didn't see.

But I am simply OUTRAGED by Thursday's result.  I certainly support Coach DuBose and what he is doing, but I do question his decision on Thursday.  If he was teaching a lesson to his starters and team, then so be it.  Playing 74 players in a football game is remarkably UNBELIEVABLE. 

I question whether the starters were barking in DuBose's ear to put them back in when things were spiraling out of control. 


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2007, 10:55:51 AM
Millsaps had better run the table in the conference to eliminate any doubt about playoff positioning.  Of course, that may have been Coach DuBose's thought process - to make the playoffs, we're going to have to win the conference, because it's highly unlikely more than one SCAC team gets in (at least, that's what recent history suggests).  I would expect once the conference games start, the bench emptying will cease, unless they're up by a bundle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on September 01, 2007, 01:08:10 PM
I can see both sides of this argument, but the bottom line is you MUST play to win and get your younger guys experience some other way. 

Ralph already brought this up, but at DePauw we played 3-5 JV games.  2 against Wabash, 1 against Butler University (D IAA) and 1 against Franklin and/or Rose Hulman and/or Anderson.  I realize it is easier for us since there were so many DIII schools close to us.

Sometimes we would change the schedule around, cancel games due to injuries or schedule more games.  It really gave guys (myslef included) something to look forword to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 01, 2007, 01:49:59 PM
Let me point out that the Millsaps players began the 2006 season being totally embarrassed by MC in the first game and then losing winable games to Louisiana College and Huntingdon.  Go back to the posts one year ago and you can read all about how Coach DuBose was putting in a completely new defensive package that would be an improvement in the long run but a step back in the short term.  If you think that was just BS, then look at the numbers:

Average pts scored against Millsaps in first three games by MC, LC and Huntingdon = 42.7
Average pts scored against Millsaps by SCAC opponents = 11

Personally, I don't mind that Millsaps took 3 straight losses in 2006, including an embarrassing loss to MC, to work on a plan that gave them an SCAC Championship and an appearance in the NCAA Playoffs.  I applaud Coach DuBose for doing what it took in 2006 to win a championship, even if it meant that he started his Millsaps head coaching career with some losses.

There's no doubt in my mind that what Millsaps did Thursday night is something that will give them a better chance of winning the SCAC.  I'm sure Coach DuBose weighed all the factors that everyone has brought up about at-large bids, home playoff games vs. road playoff games, play to win, what would the players feel, etc, and I'm confident that he did the right thing to achieve the goals that he was trying to accomplish in the game.

For all you Millsaps fans who are upset with the loss, let me point out the following.  If a man as competitive as Coach DuBose lets a sure victory slip away then you can be certain that he was accomplishing things more important than securing a win over a local rival.  As for bragging rights, who really has the bragging rights when a 26-6 score between the 1st teams was erased by 3 quick touchdowns against the subs?  Don't focus on the loss, focus on the thought of a Millsaps team in 2007 that will be much improved because they will have the depth that the 2006 team lacked.  It's going to be a great season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 01, 2007, 05:34:17 PM
Frank, I have no dog in this hunt.  I have no favorite team in DIII.

You are certainly in your rights to give your coach the benefit of the doubt, but man, I gotta say, you're preaching to deaf ears.

I gotta figure coach just figured it wouldn't end up an L.  He gave his guys a chance to pull it out, but he must have waited to long or something.

Sounds like a bone-head coaching move to me. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 01, 2007, 06:42:48 PM

Does anyone have anything but the score from ETBU?  I can't find anything!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 01, 2007, 07:12:43 PM
Austin College 35, SWAGU 21.  Final from the AC website.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 01, 2007, 07:49:57 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 01, 2007, 06:42:48 PM

Does anyone have anything but the score from ETBU?  I can't find anything!!!!!!!

http://www.etbu.edu/Current+Athletic+News/sports_item.htm?SportsID=1306
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 01, 2007, 07:53:41 PM
http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/Statistics/etbu-tu.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 01, 2007, 08:18:38 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 31, 2007, 11:06:23 PM

I think the ones who try to justify it are just so excited about this year that they can't dream of questioning the savior.  It's not like he's Bear Bryant and y'all are Tide fans.  He's been just barely farther with Millsaps than the legendary Ron Jurney. 

If I were one of the guys who built that lead, I would have to be quite upset. 

Someone sure had their "hater-aid" this morning. November 12th, 2005.. Trinity beats Millsaps (2-7) 41-0. Novermeber 11th, 2006.. Millsaps beats Trinity (nationally ranked) 34-12. Millsaps went from a 2-7 doormat, to 7-4 and thumping big bad Trinity. That speaks for itself.
You're right. He isn't Bear Bryant, and we're not (not all of us) Tide fans. We're Millsaps fans, and he's our coach!
If you were one of the guys who built the lead, then you'd surely have to right to be upset, but since you're not, let the people who did build that lead worry about that.

Frank: You don't need to "preach" to deaf ears. Let the majors talk for you!! I see both sides of the story, and your points are right on!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 01, 2007, 08:19:45 PM
P.S.  Why do I keep getting negative karma? How do I even get bad karma? I've been nice! What gives?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 01, 2007, 08:38:34 PM

In 1995 Millsaps finished with either 2 or 3 wins.  In 1996 Millsaps finished with only 2 losses, ending the season with a shocking upset of undefeated Trinity, thus knocking them out of the playoffs.  DuBose got an outright instead of co-championship and a playoff berth, while Jurney got 8 wins.  DuBose has done barely more than Jurney.

The reason you have negative karma is because each of your posts spit venom even when you're being articulate.  You're clearly upset and it annoys people.  I know from having been there myself.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 01, 2007, 09:06:33 PM
to change the conversation a bit...

Will someone please explain how/why Trinity plays at Milsaps both this year and last?  Just curious.  You two seem to be the dominant dogs from last year.  It doesn't quite seem logical that Milsaps isn't having to travel to TX this year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2007, 09:16:47 PM
This has been discussed only about a half-dozen times since the schedule came out.

The SCAC schedule had to be redrawn upon expansion. This happens in pretty much any league.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 01, 2007, 09:22:48 PM
Millsaps also travels to TX in two weeks to play at Austin College.

and speaking of Austin College (nice transition, eh?)...

the 'Roos opened up the season with a 35-21 win over Southwest Assemblies of God  (NAIA school), in a game that wasn't nearly as close as the score indicates.  SAGU scored on a flukey play at the end of the first quarter, when a fumble popped out and directly into the hands of a SAGU defensive back, who took it 73 yards for the TD...less than 2 minutes later they went up 14-0 on a 35 yard run, but that's about it.  from there, AC rolled off 35 straight points and controlled the ball for about 67% of the game (at one point they had run 40 plays against 7 run by the SAGU offense).

64 total rushes for 272 yards after a slow start for the offense, with Ross Hasten rushing 10 times for 95 yards and two TDs, and Ryan Cowley carrying 12 times for 72 yards and a score.

lots of positive feelings going into the season among the players and coaches, with the biggest recruiting class the 'Roos have had in years. 

AC won't challenge Trinity and Millsaps this year, but they have a solid chance of finishing in the top four in the conference behind their running game and much improved defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 01, 2007, 09:44:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2007, 09:16:47 PM
This has been discussed only about a half-dozen times since the schedule came out.

The SCAC schedule had to be redrawn upon expansion. This happens in pretty much any league.

Pat, thanks for the answer.  I'm pretty new to D3.  But a point of constructive criticism if I may, the way this forum is set up, having all thoughts/threads relating to the conference in one single stream of consciousness is not very user friendly since everything gets all jumbled up together.  Just my two cents.  I'm sure there must be a reason for it that elludes my feeble brain.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2007, 10:03:53 PM
Congrats to Sewanee who got a W in Robert Black's first game as head coach, 30-21 over Westminister (Mo) (http://athletics.sewanee.edu/home?id=16869).  Blake Mears had 176 rushing yards. 

The SCAC went 4-1 in non-conference play in week 1.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 01, 2007, 10:48:01 PM
Hey Ron, are you going to make it to any Austin College games this year?

Gotta come see the team that runs the ball 64 times!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2007, 11:12:53 PM
Quote from: jekelish on September 01, 2007, 10:48:01 PM
Hey Ron, are you going to make it to any Austin College games this year?

Gotta come see the team that runs the ball 64 times!

Since it's 30 miles from home, yes, I plan on seeing the Millsaps, CC, and possibly B-SC games.  Nice to take in a SCAC game without spending 6-8 hours on the road!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 02, 2007, 02:32:42 AM
I was at Millsaps from 1997-2001 as a baseball student-athlete.  I also worked in the athletic department for two years after that.  No matter the sport, when I was at Millsaps, our teams wanted to beat two teams more than any other....Miss. College and Trinity.  I have great respect for both of those schools and their athletic departments, and I want to beat them. 

Over the past 10 years, I have watched the Millsaps football team win it's share of great games, lose it's share of blowouts, and suffer a few heartbreakers along the way. 

I am THRILLED that Mike DuBose is attracting talented young men to Millsaps College to attend a great school and play football.  I understand that he has his reasons for his non-conference game plans.  He's a brilliant coach, and his players believe in him.  But I have a hard time losing a game we should have won.

I am still mad about the whole situation, but I do believe that Millsaps will do well this season.  The focus is on next week now!

By the way, it could be worse......just look at Michigan.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 02, 2007, 09:14:11 AM
Despite Big C's psychoanalysis, I am at terms with Trinity's fall from their perch.  It's just that I have never heard of a Coach costing his team a win for the sake of the backups getting playing time, but I have heard of guys dropping like flies due to cramps early in the season.  What reads like mockery to you is an honest question to others.  Cool it, man.  It's not like I was taking a shot at anyone, just offering a scenario. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 02, 2007, 11:16:02 AM
The Millsaps game certainly has gotten the board hopping.  Let me just clarify a couple of points from previous posts:

--Tex wrote, "He gave his guys a chance to pull it out, but he must have waited too long or something."  That's incorrect.  There was never any thought of the 1st string going back in regardless of the score.  MC took the lead with less than three minutes to play and Millsaps still sent out the 2nd string quarterback and the 3rd string line for the final series.

--Even in the first half, Millsaps was subbing quite a bit.  Early in the 2nd quarter, Millsaps had a 13-0 lead and the ball deep in MC territory after a blocked punt.  They sent out the 2nd string offense and came away with no points.  I feel sure it was scripted for the 2nd string to play that series and they didn't change just because the ball was in the red zone.

--Despite what some may think, Millsaps had no chance for an at-large bid by going 9-1 and finishing 2nd in the SCAC.  The SCAC is viewed as a weak football conference with one national caliber team--how else could you view a league where one school is able to win or tie for 1st 13 straight years?  A 9-1 record against SCAC opponents plus MC and Louisiana College isn't getting one of the 7 at-large berths unless you are a proven team like Trinity.

--And finally, I can understand if someone says this is an unusual approach or that they wouldn't do it this way or they don't understand the logic, but do you really think Coach DuBose made an error in judgement and unwittingly let the game slip away.  He knows far more about the Millsaps players, the game plan for the season, and football in general than anyone posting to this board and I think it's a safe bet to assume that what he did Thursday made Millsaps stronger for the SCAC season.  I'm guessing that the other SCAC coaches understand that even if they wouldn't have taken this approach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2007, 11:36:43 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 02, 2007, 11:16:02 AM
--Despite what some may think, Millsaps had no chance for an at-large bid by going 9-1 and finishing 2nd in the SCAC.  The SCAC is viewed as a weak football conference with one national caliber team--how else could you view a league where one school is able to win or tie for 1st 13 straight years? 

Frank, this isn't at all true, and the conference history isn't at all relevant. The numbers are all that counts and a win over Mississippi College, especially if it should have gone on to go something like 7-3, would have been a huge boost and probably would have gotten Millsaps in.

If Hobart got an at-large bid last year, Millsaps could have gotten one this year. To suggest otherwise is just postgame spin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 02, 2007, 12:08:10 PM
Wow, it's been far too long since I've been on here. I apologize for my absence, I know how much you all missed me. (note the sarcasm)

So Rhodes football this year is right on where it is every year. The Defense is what will win games. Without a doubt. Offense is there, and the firepower to put up 30-35 pts a game is there.

I made the trip to the preseason scrimmage and the defense looked solid. Coming back from last year when we all know that the defense was the strongest part of our team, you've got a great returning crew. McCart at safety, Oliver at corner, then Foti and Hendricks and Mosbyat LB. The Line looks solid with Mattioli and Sheppard. The defense looks good this year, and I know they are hungry from last year with the feeling that they could have done much more.

The Offense looks good, rusty, but good. The Line looks solid behind Gropper and Long. Those two have been solid since they came in, and have only gotten better. Behind them, and in my opinion the strongest part of our offense, the running game. With Lake and Hoggard coming back, they looked on point during the scrimmage. The receivers are looking good after losing some big names last year, but the guys there this year will get the job done, and if Oliver has the season that he should and stays healthy for once, there won't be any concern with the passing game.

The problem with Rhodes will be the same as always, injuries and consistancy. The talent is there, and the boys should know it. That team can take it to any team this year. If they stay healthy, they'll make a difference in the SCAC standings.

The schedule is favorable to the Lynx, except for a big Week 3 match up at Millsaps. Otherwise Trinity, Depauw, Austin, and Sewanee all at home. If the guys get things going the way they should, I'm calling a 4-1 or 5-0 record at home.

Overall prediction: 7-3 or 8-2 with two close losses and one toss up with Depauw.

GO LYNX!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 02, 2007, 01:04:37 PM
Report from Sherman;

The Roos are better this year.  SAGU may not be the best litmus test, but upon observation of Saturday's game they are more athletic than last year, especially in the secondary where they were weakest last year (IMHO).  AC started slow because although more talented they are also pretty young and seemed a bit hesitant at first.  It was promising however that they were down 14-0 but stayed the course and winning in a more convincing fashion than the score indicated. With 5 seconds to go in the 1st Q, SAGU returned a fumble 75 yards for a TD.  SAGU then scored very early in the 2nd Q on a QB keeper for 35 yds.

That was basically it for SAGU as the Roos were tied by halftime and led by 35-14 until late in the game.  Although a lot different type of attack, AC is like UMHB in that you know they are going to run the ball no matter what the score or where they are in the game.  However I did see some receivers open on play action passes which bodes well since there is more speed in that area of the team as well.

I came away feeling optimistic about their chances.  I realize this post is very similar to the one by jekelish so I guess we saw the same game. ;) 

jekelish,  I am glad to see another Roo on the board.  I plan on being at the Millsaps game as well.  Hopefully I can meet you and see Ron again as well. :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 02, 2007, 01:27:26 PM
On another matter and even though I may take a hit for this, I feel I must make a comment about the Mike Dubose decision that the playing of his subs was more important than the victory.  Everywhere I have ever coached or been AD at, we told our coaches and parents that at the sub-varsity level we would play everybody and that this was more important than the score.  However we told the same people at the varsity level that winning was more important and we would play whoever we felt was needed in order to win the game.

Although I perhaps understand WHY this decision was made at Millsaps/MC, I cannot and would not ever endorse it.  With the long range effect noted by Pat above, with the dissappointment the players must have in their loss (no matter what is said publicly), and with the possible long range discord that may arise if Millsaps does not win the rest of their games,  I fear that this was not an acceptable risk to take. 

I also question the blind loyalty and the comments like "DuBose knows more football than any one else".  There are and have been great coaches at every level in football from HS to Division I and I have never heard of a coach making a decision like this in my forty-five years of playing, coaching and administering football.  Be carefull Millsaps fans and don't drink the KoolAid.  And remember, if this does not work out for Millsaps in the long run to come back and read your posts after this game.

I thought about this a great deal before making this post.  It is not intended as spiteful.  I just cannot grasp such a decision by a coach.  Best of luck to Millsaps in all of your remaining games (except when you come back to Sherman in two weeks ;)).  Perhaps I can meet some of you at Sherman.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 02, 2007, 02:56:08 PM
Cramps hit my son's HS team two nights ago.  Two starters on defense were out, including one DT that has already "committed" to play at Trinity next year.  (I say committed, in that he's sending in the "binding" application and TU is the school he wants to play football for.)

Early season cramps are a reality in the South.  I saw some of that yesterday on TV watching some of the BCS schools play. 

The Milsaps/Trinity showdown this season ought to be epic.  So much so, I'm planning my work travel schedule so that I might possibly attend (providing I can pull it off and still not miss my son's HS game that week). 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2007, 03:41:48 PM
In the 'maybe better late than never' department here is my writeup from yesterday's East Texas-Trinity game (http://www.boerger.org/ETBU-TU07.html).  No sportswriters were injured (or involved) in the writing of this article.   :D

And kid, re your karma, the folks who have been around will tell you that complaining about karma usually results in more bad karma.  In fact, even commenting on it (like this post) often results in dings.  Just bring good takes and the situation will take care of itself before long. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 02, 2007, 03:50:19 PM
Roocru,
A good post.  Not all Millsaps faithful are taking last Thursday's game well.  It's a source of contention to be sure.  I'll not be able to wrap my brain around it. 


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on September 02, 2007, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: consultant on September 02, 2007, 03:50:19 PM
Roocru,
A good post.  Not all Millsaps faithful are taking last Thursday's game well.  It's a source of contention to be sure.  I'll not be able to wrap my brain around it. 




Oh, I would agree there.  I saw not just a few upset first string mamas and daddys in the stands questioning Coach's reasoning, sanity, intellect, family lineage... take your pick :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 02, 2007, 08:20:51 PM
Info about Karma in the FAQ.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 02, 2007, 08:40:20 PM
Just_that_kid

easy karma, easy go... 

can't please all these people all the time... you'll find your niche here in time
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 02, 2007, 08:57:21 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on September 02, 2007, 08:40:20 PM
Just_that_kid

easy karma, easy go... 

can't please all these people all the time... you'll find your niche here in time

So I've noticed. Hell, I think I'm on everyone's list. Oh well. It's a shame. 'Preciate someone who understands. lol.

P.S. Thanks Pat. I will check into it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 02, 2007, 11:07:37 PM
I, too, was reasonbly impressed with the Kangaroo defense yesterday.  Much improved, much more physical than last year.

It's always going to be hard to get too excited about the offense--the scheme is pretty straight forward and basic.  The OL performed well yesterday, as did the corps of running backs.

I am concerned about the 'Roos getting into situations where they have to rely on the pass.  However, I think the defense will really keep it close--especially if they play with the same intensity they did yesterday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 03, 2007, 09:39:50 AM
Pat--We'll never know if a 9-1, 2nd place SCAC Millsaps team would have gotten an at-large berth this year.  You know far more about D3 sports than I, so I absolutely respect your opinion, but for what it's worth, here's my theory on why they wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid:

The 2006 Millsaps football season was either remarkable or a remarkable fluke.  In 2005 Millsaps was 2-7 overall, 1-5 in the SCAC, next to last in scoring offense and last in scoring defense.  Coach DuBose gets promoted to head coach too late for any spring training or to do much recruiting, he goes 1-3 to start 2006 with a defense that still appears to be anemic, and then he wins 6 straight SCAC games and the defense is rock solid.  How does one figure out a season like that?  There are two ways to look at the Millsaps program and the 2006 season:

The glass half full theory:  If DuBose, the Millsaps staff, and the Millsaps players can come so far, so fast, then they will be fantastic in 2007.  They will have a full season under the system, spring training, and a stronger recruiting class.  This team will be much stronger in 2007, one of the better teams in America.

The glass half empty theory:   Don't get so excited about the 2006 Majors.  They lost to two average ASC teams and a 6-4 Huntingdon team.  Leading up to the championship game, they beat SCAC foes Centre, Austin, DePauw, Sewanee, and Rhodes, teams with a combined overall record of 23-27 in 2006.  Then they lucked up and had an All-American performance by senior Chris Jackson to beat an overconfident Trinity team in a down year for Trinity.  The 0-21 playoff loss proves that Millsaps really wasn't that great in 2006.

My guess is that most will take a wait and see approach.  The most knowledgable preseason poll, D3Football.Com, has Trinity ranked 21st with 5 times as many votes as Millsaps, leaning towards the half empty theory.  That tells me that most people want affirmation from the 2007 season before deeming Millsaps as a football powerhouse.  I think that's a fair and justifiable approach.  If Millsaps wins the SCAC again and gets into the playoffs, then they might be turning into a national power.  If they don't win the 2007 title, then most will feel like 2006 was a fluke season with one good win, and Millsaps isn't a program worthy of one of the 7 at-large bids.

That's my logic which may sound totally illogical to everyone else.  It wouldn't be the first time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 03, 2007, 09:51:52 AM
Frank: I'm sure everyone will provide 152 reasons why your theory has holes in it, but for what it's worth, you're right. Let the doubters doubt and the haters hate. There's only one SURE way to get into the playoffs, and that's what Millsaps, and every other SCAC school is playing for. Besides, a 9-1 Trinity team could STILL send two SCAC schools to the playoffs. Regardless, I do agree that we should all wait and see.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 03, 2007, 10:36:21 AM
Quote from: Jawbreaker on September 02, 2007, 04:52:22 PM
Quote from: consultant on September 02, 2007, 03:50:19 PM
Roocru,
A good post.  Not all Millsaps faithful are taking last Thursday's game well.  It's a source of contention to be sure.  I'll not be able to wrap my brain around it. 




Oh, I would agree there.  I saw not just a few upset first string mamas and daddys in the stands questioning Coach's reasoning, sanity, intellect, family lineage... take your pick :-X

I was on the sideline standing near all those first stringers and at the time I was also questioning the reasoning.  I'm sure the student section was also a very unhappy place about midway through the 4th quarter.  That would be the logical reaction to seeing a huge lead slip away in such a surprising manner.

Those same parents and many of the students watched last year as the Millsaps defense looked absolutely terrible to start the season.  It didn't look like we would win a game and shame on us for getting all excited about having former SEC Coach of the Year Mike Dubose as our head coach, supposedly a defensive specialist.  It was obvious after 3 games of 2006 that Mike DuBose was a horrible coach who knew nothing about defense and it was going to be a long, sad season for Millsaps. 

Everyone's right that a team needs to "play to win", but the question is "play to win what"?  Last year Millsaps played to win the SCAC, even if it meant some lost games to start the season.  I suspect the plan is the same this year.  Millsaps had very little depth last year.  Every injury was a key injury and starters got very little rest during a game or over the course of the season.  This Achilles Heel showed up in the playoffs when the Millsaps team wore out and a 0-0 halftime tie became a 21-0 loss.  The coaching staff was obviously addressing that weakness last Thursday.

Is it better to secure the win first and address the weakness if possible over the course of the game?  Most people seem to think so and I understand that.  We all want national rankings, undefeated seasons, and starters with gaudy stats making all-conference.  We also want conference championships and playoff victories and that seems to be the bigger picture that was being viewed last Thursday. 

And now, I promise not to write any more about the MC vs Millsaps game.  It has taken away too much already from the victories by Austin, Centre, Sewanee and Trinity.  I suspect that Millsaps will play 70+ players again next week, hopefully in a winning effort.  It will be the opening game of the season for Louisiana College, something that should help a Millsaps team that has a game under its belt already.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 03, 2007, 11:25:09 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 03, 2007, 09:39:50 AM
Pat--We'll never know if a 9-1, 2nd place SCAC Millsaps team would have gotten an at-large berth this year.  You know far more about D3 sports than I, so I absolutely respect your opinion, but for what it's worth, here's my theory on why they wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid:

The 2006 Millsaps football season was either remarkable or a remarkable fluke.  In 2005 Millsaps was 2-7 overall, 1-5 in the SCAC, next to last in scoring offense and last in scoring defense.  Coach DuBose gets promoted to head coach too late for any spring training or to do much recruiting, he goes 1-3 to start 2006 with a defense that still appears to be anemic, and then he wins 6 straight SCAC games and the defense is rock solid.  How does one figure out a season like that?  There are two ways to look at the Millsaps program and the 2006 season:

The glass half full theory:  If DuBose, the Millsaps staff, and the Millsaps players can come so far, so fast, then they will be fantastic in 2007.  They will have a full season under the system, spring training, and a stronger recruiting class.  This team will be much stronger in 2007, one of the better teams in America.

The glass half empty theory:   Don't get so excited about the 2006 Majors.  They lost to two average ASC teams and a 6-4 Huntingdon team.  Leading up to the championship game, they beat SCAC foes Centre, Austin, DePauw, Sewanee, and Rhodes, teams with a combined overall record of 23-27 in 2006.  Then they lucked up and had an All-American performance by senior Chris Jackson to beat an overconfident Trinity team in a down year for Trinity.  The 0-21 playoff loss proves that Millsaps really wasn't that great in 2006.

My guess is that most will take a wait and see approach.  The most knowledgable preseason poll, D3Football.Com, has Trinity ranked 21st with 5 times as many votes as Millsaps, leaning towards the half empty theory.  That tells me that most people want affirmation from the 2007 season before deeming Millsaps as a football powerhouse.  I think that's a fair and justifiable approach.  If Millsaps wins the SCAC again and gets into the playoffs, then they might be turning into a national power.  If they don't win the 2007 title, then most will feel like 2006 was a fluke season with one good win, and Millsaps isn't a program worthy of one of the 7 at-large bids.

That's my logic which may sound totally illogical to everyone else.  It wouldn't be the first time.

Not one of the things you mentioned is at all part of the playoff selection criteria.

http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Playoffs&id=25

These are the things Millsaps will be judged on, not anything that happened in 2006 or beforehand.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: majordog on September 03, 2007, 11:34:30 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 03, 2007, 09:39:50 AM
Pat--We'll never know if a 9-1, 2nd place SCAC Millsaps team would have gotten an at-large berth this year.  You know far more about D3 sports than I, so I absolutely respect your opinion, but for what it's worth, here's my theory on why they wouldn't have gotten an at-large bid:

The 2006 Millsaps football season was either remarkable or a remarkable fluke.  In 2005 Millsaps was 2-7 overall, 1-5 in the SCAC, next to last in scoring offense and last in scoring defense.  Coach DuBose gets promoted to head coach too late for any spring training or to do much recruiting, he goes 1-3 to start 2006 with a defense that still appears to be anemic, and then he wins 6 straight SCAC games and the defense is rock solid.  How does one figure out a season like that?  There are two ways to look at the Millsaps program and the 2006 season:

The glass half full theory:  If DuBose, the Millsaps staff, and the Millsaps players can come so far, so fast, then they will be fantastic in 2007.  They will have a full season under the system, spring training, and a stronger recruiting class.  This team will be much stronger in 2007, one of the better teams in America.

The glass half empty theory:   Don't get so excited about the 2006 Majors.  They lost to two average ASC teams and a 6-4 Huntingdon team.  Leading up to the championship game, they beat SCAC foes Centre, Austin, DePauw, Sewanee, and Rhodes, teams with a combined overall record of 23-27 in 2006.  Then they lucked up and had an All-American performance by senior Chris Jackson to beat an overconfident Trinity team in a down year for Trinity.  The 0-21 playoff loss proves that Millsaps really wasn't that great in 2006.

My guess is that most will take a wait and see approach.  The most knowledgable preseason poll, D3Football.Com, has Trinity ranked 21st with 5 times as many votes as Millsaps, leaning towards the half empty theory.  That tells me that most people want affirmation from the 2007 season before deeming Millsaps as a football powerhouse.  I think that's a fair and justifiable approach.  If Millsaps wins the SCAC again and gets into the playoffs, then they might be turning into a national power.  If they don't win the 2007 title, then most will feel like 2006 was a fluke season with one good win, and Millsaps isn't a program worthy of one of the 7 at-large bids.

That's my logic which may sound totally illogical to everyone else.  It wouldn't be the first time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 03, 2007, 12:48:28 PM
Looks like former Trinity WR Jerheme Urban has caught on with Arizona after being cut by the Dallas Cowboys this past weekend.

http://www.azcardinals.com/news/detail.php?PRKey=1881

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 03, 2007, 01:03:47 PM
Too bad he didn't stick with the Cowboys.  That would have been a great story.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 03, 2007, 01:09:57 PM
Agreed, Bill.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 03, 2007, 04:14:50 PM
QuoteI am concerned about the 'Roos getting into situations where they have to rely on the pass.  However, I think the defense will really keep it close--especially if they play with the same intensity they did yesterday.

Josh, agreed about the defense...they went out and found some great looking young athletes, like Josh Byrd at safety, and Matt Finke also deciding to play football this year really helps, because he's got very good speed.  Matt Orr is going to be a nice addition to the defense as well, as he's lost 15 pounds but looks like he's in great, great shape.  i mean, seeing him walk around campus and in the weight room, the kid is looking huge -- nearly as big as Thomas Derricks looked last year.

regarding getting behind early and having to throw the ball, the one thing i will say is that Kent Bell looked much more comfortable throwing it on Saturday.  it also helps that it appears Ronnie and the other coaches have found another solid receiver to compliment Eric Shon, in Evan Coachman.  Coachman made one spectacular diving catch, and looks like he's got very good hands to go with his 6-2, 195 frame.

they have the potential to be pretty good this year, overall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 03, 2007, 04:24:39 PM
Another note for Austin College fans and officials that were at the game Saturday...

I uploaded the images from the day's fesitivites to d3football.com's server last night.  My hope is that they'll be up under the "Photo Galleries" link on the main page before this evening.  I appreciate your patience as there were some behind-the-scenes technical difficulties being fixed yesterday.

I had a handful of parents contact me at the game about photos.  If you'd like me to try to get photos of you or your loved one, please let me know.  I'll be at the Colorado College and Trinity games for sure, and may be at the Millsaps and Birmingham Southern games, as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 03, 2007, 09:07:33 PM
Ok, I've had my Labor Day cookout dinner, and a few adult bevs.... I thought TU looked rusty, but good at ETBU,,,,,  hey how can you complain about a shutout (on the road)?  The 'black flag' is alive and well!

The TU offense didn't get going until the second half, and WR Chris Coleman showed me something and Chris Baer made his first appearance after rehab with 2 td's ,, one running, and one receiving!  Bring on TLU next Sat at 6pm.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2007, 10:05:32 PM
History, I'm sure the coaches will spend some time in practice this week working to correct the numerous holding and clipping/block-in-back penalties we saw on Saturday.  It was a shame that young Urban had a 40+ yard punt return nullified by one of them.

Barmore looked good.  Dylan Nealous played like a man possessed.  Good to see Bahr score what will hopefully be the first of many TDs this season.  The one on the pass play where he broke some tackles was especially nice. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 03, 2007, 10:25:40 PM
BFB,,, were you able to watch???  Sorry for the many audio screwups... we're working on it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 03, 2007, 11:15:22 PM
Link to story about SAGU game on AC's website:

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1127&ItemID=5325
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: majordog on September 04, 2007, 09:14:01 AM
Quote from: scacsid on August 16, 2005, 05:32:46 AM
The 2005 SCAC Football Preview is now online.

http://www.scac-online.org/football (http://www.scac-online.org/football)
[/quoteJust a test for now]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: majordog on September 04, 2007, 09:17:53 AM
just a test note for now
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2007, 10:39:43 AM
Welcome, majordog.

Whom do you follow? Millsaps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2007, 01:01:37 PM
Yes, majordog, you've posted three test messages now, what's on your mind?   ???

The first week's SCAC Gridiron Report (http://www.scac-online.org/football/090407footballreport.pdf) is up (.pdf).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2007, 03:45:40 PM
Millsaps (probably not surprisingly) is among teams discussed in this week's Around the Nation podcast. It's a wrapup of the interesting stories on the national scene, plus a chance to hear our opinions about teams:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/09/04/around-the-nations-take/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2007, 01:05:13 AM
Quote from: historymajor on September 03, 2007, 10:25:40 PM
BFB,,, were you able to watch???  Sorry for the many audio screwups... we're working on it.

I drug my lazy keester out of bed, made the drive and watched from the air-conditioned comfort of the press box.   Got 47 MPG on the round trip despite driving 75-80 to get there in time (and boy was DPS out in force).  Looking forward to the videocast of the TLU game this weekend ... you might want to start posting links once the bugs are worked out. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 05, 2007, 07:33:40 AM
I'll be making the trip to Memphis this weekend for the Lagrange game. Should be a good game to open up with. It'll be interesting to see what Coach Mooney has done with Lagrange and how they've improved from year one to year two.

I still pick Rhodes regardless of what they've done in Georgia.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2007, 12:15:19 PM
I don't think LaGrange will have an answer for that stifling Rhodes D, Hunter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 05, 2007, 03:46:58 PM
In regards to this weeks "around the region." I'm not any of the Millsaps fans are trying to create spin, though. We've all given "props" to Mississippi College for a fine performance, and their never die attitude. MC played an excellent game without a doubt.
No one has excused Millsaps' loss, nor is anyone creating a "conspiracy theory" as suggested. To me, the insinuation is insulting.
This blog forum is here to discuss opinion and express fact. The fact is, Millsaps' starters played two series of the second half, and 74 players, including 27 new players saw action. Juan Joseph has a thigh bruise, but is practicing and will play this weekend against Louisiana College.
Further, the author goes on to use the exact "spin" that Millsaps fans have been trying to get across.

"And also, Mike Dubose is a whole lot smarter than any of us on the World Wide Web and, if he did sit his first-teamers, there was a reason. Let him coach his team."

The fact is Coach Dubose has his reasons for the decision he made. He's a veteran enough coach to know what he's doing. Further, the choice he made had a great deal to do with the statistics that were thrown out (I.E. Sacks given up). Were any of those sacks given up by one of the starting front five (that's a serious question)?
As a Millsaps fan, I would just like to congratulate Mississippi College on their win and the poise with which they played. They played an excellent game! Using the words "spin" and "conspiracy", though, in my opinion, are not only untrue, but shed a negative image of "cry-babies" to the rest of the nation on behalf of the Millsaps fans. And no one (that I re-call) even implied that Millsaps threw the game. Dubose felt he still had a chance to win even with his backups in the game. That's having faith and challenging younger players, not throwing a game.
So to anyone reading this, wondering what happened in the discussion, please read back. Millsaps fans are proud of how the players on BOTH sides played, and take nothing away from either team. There are still 9 weeks (and maybe more) for both schools, and a lot of things can still happen. Both teams played a good opponent, and are that much better and more prepared to play within their respective conference! Congratulations to both squads.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 05, 2007, 09:32:48 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 05, 2007, 03:46:58 PM
The fact is Coach Dubose has his reasons for the decision he made. He's a veteran enough coach to know what he's doing.

I'm sure the folks at Alabama feel the exact same way, Kid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 06, 2007, 07:16:17 AM
Ron I totally agree, just didn't want to come right out and say it just yet. You always have to keep the people wanting more.  ;)

speaking of which... is it prediction time for this weekend yet?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2007, 09:19:55 AM
The SCAC Pick 'em (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4796.msg747165#msg747165) is going on over in the Pick 'em section of the General Football topic for anyone interested.  And it's not like the board here is overloaded with posts!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2007, 10:49:27 AM
Trinity's media package (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/02_vs_TLU.pdf) for the TLU game is up (.pdf).  Nicely done, Justin!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 07, 2007, 11:10:20 AM
Birmingham-Southern 41 - Miss. College JV 13.  OK, it was against a JV team, but that's pretty impressive for a team that has existed for 3 1/2 weeks!  Great game Panthers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on September 07, 2007, 11:28:54 AM
Nice game for BSC, here is a review:

BSC takes the field, at long last
After nearly 70 years, college once again playing football
Friday, September 07, 2007
RAY MELICK
News staff writer

To put it in terms a good Methodist would understand, the revival began with dinner on the grounds, followed by a baptism in front of a crowd that was filled with the spirit.

Click here for game story (http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1189154191315880.xml&coll=2). 

Edited for copyright sake...  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 07, 2007, 05:17:45 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2007, 10:49:27 AM
Trinity's media package (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/02_vs_TLU.pdf) for the TLU game is up (.pdf).  Nicely done, Justin!

I agree ... nice work, Justin!  Great job!  (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1atexasfootball.com%2Fimages%2Fthmbup.gif&hash=67ae3169d355c4e2811b4b8fbba50b38e4cbda74)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 07, 2007, 11:08:47 PM
For anybody in Memphis tomorrow, the alumni will be starting the pre game around 10 in our normal spot. Hope to see everybody there.

I'll get a game review up here as soon as I can tomorrow, but that might be at night.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2007, 11:28:54 PM
Spread the word about D3football.com -- we don't get too many of your fellow fans here. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tusid on September 08, 2007, 01:17:35 PM
Thanks to BFB and TDad for your comments.  I had some invaluable help, and we're pretty proud of the outcome so far with the Game Notes.  We hope to get them out earlier in the week whenever possible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2007, 02:43:49 PM
Rhodes is having its way with LaGrange, 14-0 after one quarter and Rhodes just missed a chip shot FG.  Live game stats are available (http://livestats.internetconsult.com/rhodes/football/) tho the clock doesn't seem to be getting updated on a regular basis.   Thanks to the Rhodes SID staff for making this available!

Both Rhodes scores have been set up by the defense.  A fumble recovery and a fourth-down stop gave Rhodes a short field on both their scoring drives so far.   Lagrange had -24 yards on 12 rushing attempts in the first quarter. 

There will also be live game stats available for the Colorado College (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/webcasts/football/xlive.htm)-Pomona Pitzer battle starting at 2PM Central.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2007, 03:22:18 PM
Rhodes gets another score at the end of the half to lead LaGrange 21-0.  The Lynx are dominating both ways with a 218-87 advantage in total offense.

Colorado College and Pomona-Pitzer both scored on their opening drives.  Not a lot of defense up in the Springs so far. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2007, 04:14:39 PM
28-14 in Memphis with 2:08 left in the third as both Rhodes and LaGrange scored on their opening possessions of the second half.  Lagrange then held Rhodes and scored on a 59-yard drive aided by 20 yards in Lynx penalties. 

Up in Colorado Springs, the home team has driven up and down the field but turnovers and downs stymied two promising drives.  CC finally puts it end the end zone with 3:06 left to take a 14-7 lead.   They get the ball back and drive inside the 35 but can't convert another fourth-and-one so that's how they go into the locker room.  Total yards CC 282 PP 147. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2007, 05:07:24 PM
Rhodes is going to get the W despite a sloppy second half, 28-21.  Two fumbles and ten penalties let LaGrange hang around.  Lynx get 352 yards and end up allowing 232.  Seven sacks helped the Lynx cause.  Josh McMurray's 102 yards on 16 carries led both sides and Mark Oliver went 13-22 for 169 yds.   Jake McCart had 11 tackles (9 solo); Kendrel Ellison and David Mooney both had two sacks.

Meanwhile in the Springs the Tigers of Colorado College have scored ten unanswered  points off of two interceptions to take a 24-7 lead midway through the third quarter.

Centre loses at home to Maryville, giving up 15 unanswered points in the fourth quarter in a 22-15 loss.  Maryville wins despite six turnovers (Centre lost two).  Grr.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2007, 05:33:08 PM
CC leads 30-14 with 4:50 left in the game10- and has gained 465 yards so far (Pomona - 258). 

Millsaps leads LC 10-0 with a few minutes left in the first quarter.  Both Millsaps drives started inside the LC 25, one after a five-yard punt, the other after an LC fumble.  The game is on LC radio for anyone interested. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2007, 05:52:36 PM
Colorado College gets the W, 37-21, as Pomona scores a "who cares" TD with 25 seconds left.  Justin Alexander gained 194 yards on 26 attempts and scored two touchdowns.  Jon McDonald was 17-27 for 147 yards, a touchdown, and two interceptions, and added 84 yards on the ground.  McDonald's favorite target was TE Nolan Swett, with 6 catches for 73 yards.  Buddy Ferreira had ten tackles, nine solo.

Millsaps all over LC, 17-0 with 5:50 left in the first half.  It'd be worse if not for a Millsaps  fumble deep in LC territory.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 08, 2007, 07:41:10 PM
DePauw up 13-0 on Anderson at the end of one.  Conditions sound less than ideal. 

Marks poked one in early after an Anderson INT.  I'm told that makes him DePauw's all-time leading scorer.  Needs another handful of yards to be the all-time leading rusher.  Dick also went deep to Gasbarra for 6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2007, 08:08:03 PM
Trinity 21-3 over TLU with 3 minutes left to play in the first half, TLU in Trinity territory.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 08, 2007, 08:14:23 PM
Millsaps gets the win 44-10, sounded like a very dominant performace by the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 08, 2007, 08:16:39 PM
Millsaps still played second teams alot of the game, they are only carrying 52 players to Austin next week according to Dubose.  Hopefully they know who they are taking after playing the bulk of 117 players over the last two weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2007, 08:23:30 PM


Trinity's up 24-10 at the half over Texas Lutheran. 

BTW I listened to the first half of LC-Millsaps and LC was never in it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 08, 2007, 08:32:05 PM
Quickly turned into a snoozer at the half.  37-0 DPU. 

Marks has run for three.  Dick has thrown for two.  Brendan Smith tacked on a FG. 

Very impressed with the defensive effort.  They're playing much better than I ever expected.  Lots of new, young faces, but they're playing exceptionally.  Lots of speed and lots of hard-hitters.  They've forced five turnovers.  Anderson's got nothing going on O.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 08, 2007, 09:32:23 PM
well on a normal hot and muggy day in Memphis, the fans were treated to a great first half... and that was about it.

Rhodes came out great, dominating in the first quarter and into halftime, taking a 21-0 lead to the locker room.

Before I could even get back to the field after getting food at halftime, Rhodes had scored again to go up 28-0. The defense was dominant, the offense was running the ball right over them. It was a great day in Memphis.

Then something happened, and they just stopped playing. They had started relaxing in the 2nd quarter, and then after they scored early in the 3rd, it was like the game was over. Defense fell asleep, offense came to a halt, and stupid penalties destroyed any possible momentum.

However, Lagrange had a much better halftime speech apparently, (I think I heard something about App State was said) and they came out ready to play. They scored on their first drive in the 3rd, then again, and again.

Miscues on offense, a lack of a pass rush, and suddenly we had a ballgame. Thank goodness some of the captains (mainly defensive) decided to step up, get loud, and remind the rest of the team there was still a game going on. Senior Alex Foti came up with two huge sacks deep in Lagrange territory on back to back plays (though one was called back for something) and the momentum had been halted. The game ended shortly after that.

I never thought I'd be saying this, but the most solid part of the offense was the running game. Lake, Hoggard, and McMurray all ran hard both between the tackles and outside. The passing game was there, but not like it needs to be. Those 3 guys can't carry the whole offense. But kudos to the offensive line too, allowing only 2 sacks (and those were both after Oliver had to scramble) and paving the way for close to 200 yds rushing.

As far as next week goes, the trip to Birmingham will be a fun one. The starting QB for BSC is a transfer from Rhodes two years ago, and I know for a fact that there are some tackles and sacks that will feel a little better than normal for our defense.

If BSC has the same atmosphere that Lagrange had last year for their program opener, it'll be a fun environment, and the guys will get it together and play an entire game, giving BSC a nice welcome to the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2007, 09:46:42 PM
Final in SA:  Trinity 31, Texas Lutheran 10. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 08, 2007, 10:39:15 PM
DPU 47 Anderson 7 F.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 08, 2007, 11:57:36 PM
Good opening win for the bad guys.

Saw the game was at Highland HS - I assume because it was a 7:00 p.m. start and the college doesn't have lights?  Still must have been cool to play a night game for a change.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 09, 2007, 01:12:41 AM
Very nice opening W for the Tigers. They didn't dominate anybody quite like this in the 2006 season, that's for sure. Defense is quick, smart, and they brought the pain all night to the two Anderson QBs. Offensively, it's clear that Spud has matured and is a much better decision maker, and the Tigers have three receivers that can really go get it. Oh, and it doesn't hurt to have a back like Marks either.

Not sure how good Anderson is - and they looked pretty disjointed tonight - but if you beat anybody 47-7, you're probably a pretty good ballclub. I'd say early returns on DPU are strong.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 09, 2007, 09:07:04 AM
I really need to go see a D3 game live.  This is good stuff fellas.  I'm getting hooked.  I think I'm going to head over to San Antonio and see Trinity play on 9/22.  Looks like that might be a fun game to take in.  I've driven by their stadium.  It's not much to look at from the outside.  Rumor has it Trinity is about to sink some money into the old girl. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 09, 2007, 09:23:11 AM
Tough loss for Austin College last night at McMurry, falling 41-35.

The 'Roos were down 22-7 primarily thanks to turnovers in the first half, and quickly fell behind 35-7 before ripping off three straight scores, culminating in a 53 yard INT return for a TD by Matt Finke to cut it to a one touchdown game.

McMurry added another score to make it 41-28, and the 'Roos scored again with under a minute to play but couldn't get any closer.  Sounds like it was a wild game.

Ross Hasten rushed 16 times for 138 yards and a TD, and Finke finished with 11 tackles (7 solo) and two picks.  Ryan Cowley only had about 75-80 yards but one was a 51 yard TD.

Next up: Millsaps at home.  Should be a better game than last year, as the 'Roos are an improved team, and as one of the players told me on Friday, this year they have a full grasp of Coach Gage's offense...which is evident in their back to back 35 point performances.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scotty on September 09, 2007, 08:11:15 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 08, 2007, 07:41:10 PM
Dick also went deep to Gasbarra for 6.

I'm going to let this one go. I could, I should...but I won't. Good to see Lundorf healthy at OT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 09, 2007, 10:43:32 PM
Josh, I thought that AC showed much potential.  You broke long plays thru the 8-man front.  Your rushing game is well-suited to your athletes.

I don't think that you will see too many McMurry-style athletes in the SCAC.  (There were 2 members, plus a first-alternate, of the NCAA D3 champion 4 x 100 M relay team on the field and an 11.24 100 M sprinter last night.)  Take away our speed and AC wins the game.

I think that your QB will get more comfortable with the offense.  You catch Millsaps this week, but then your team has a chance to get used to Coach Gage's system thru the season until the DPU and Trinity games.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 10, 2007, 12:16:32 AM
In talking to one of the AC coaches today (and verified by looking at the box score), he told me that the McMurry quarterback was just a Mike Vick type of freak athlete that they couldn't keep up with, and as soon as he got to the corner, he was gone.

there aren't many athletes like that in the SCAC, so the 'Roos should be good to go in most of their games if they can work on stopping the run.  it looks like Finke/Byrd is a nice combination at CB, with Finke having a huge game (and looking like a likely SCAC Defensive POTW guy with 11 tackles, 2 picks, 1 int TD, a recovered onside kick, and two blocked PATs) and Byrd showing himself to be a solid addition in each of his first two games.

i say that AC gives Millsaps a game this week.  somewhere in the range of 30-20, with the Majors coming out on top.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Observation Deck on September 10, 2007, 09:24:43 AM
In this prediction, are you assuming Millsaps comes to play the entire game or that they treat it like another exhibition?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 10, 2007, 09:27:50 AM
QuoteIn this prediction, are you assuming Millsaps comes to play the entire game or that they treat it like another exhibition?

zing!! ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 10, 2007, 09:43:05 AM
Quote from: The Observation Deck on September 10, 2007, 09:24:43 AM
In this prediction, are you assuming Millsaps comes to play the entire game or that they treat it like another exhibition?

I don't think the Majors will want to lose a conference game, I would expect an all out effort this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2007, 10:23:39 AM
It's kind of sad that this topic is even debatable ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 10, 2007, 12:35:59 PM
According to the box score on the SCAC website, DePauw only played 40 of their 100 or so players this weekend despite having a 37-0 lead at halftime.  It's not the approach I would have taken, but the head coach knows his team and his overall plan for the season far better than I so it would be foolish of me to criticize his game plan.

As for Millsaps, they played 74 players again this past weekend and the playing season is now close to finished for those players who fall between 53 and 74 on the depth chart.  My understanding is that only 52 players can travel to SCAC road games, and I don't think you'll see a lot of 3rd string players on the field in the home games against Rhodes, Centre and Trinity.  With the Birmingham-Southern game not counting in the conference, who knows how it will be played.

Regardless of what people think about the game plan used in the first two games, at least Coach DuBose and his staff got a significant number of new players on the field when they had the chance and maybe that will be enough to keep those players on the squad for another year.  If the goal is to eventually compete for a national championship, it seems like a major step would be to cut down the rate of attrition that plagues so many D3 teams. 

Next week should be an interesting game since Millsaps wasn't a great road team last season and Austin sounds like they are much improved.  Millsaps will have to pick up their road play this season if they want to retain their crown in 2007.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 10, 2007, 12:57:29 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 10, 2007, 12:35:59 PM
According to the box score on the SCAC website, DePauw only played 40 of their 100 or so players this weekend despite having a 37-0 lead at halftime.  It's not the approach I would have taken, but the head coach knows his team and his overall plan for the season far better than I so it would be foolish of me to criticize his game plan.

That's always been the m.o. for DePauw, though.  They've never went to the fifth or sixth guys on the depth chart.   Regardless of who was making the decisions.

I don't think the staff feels it's necessary to go the fifth guy on the depth chart when the third guy isn't get enough playing time as it is.  Young kids can play in the JV games. 

Starters will play into the third.  Second stringers will play usually towards the end of the third and well into the fourth.  Typically they'll get about 3 deep on the depth chart if it's a bigtime laugher. 

I think if they weren't continuing to try speed the maturation process on Spud (and that defense!), you probably would have seen the staff go deeper on the depth chart.   Marks was pulled pretty early.  His backup got it 12 times.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 02:38:12 PM
DPU, we covered JV's on an portion of the board.

How many JV games are within a 3 hour drive of Greencastle?  ;)

Jackson MS is in the proverbial middle-of-nowhere.  You play Miss College twice, LaCollege, 3 hrs away, twice, Huntingdon 4hours away twice, and that is it.  :-\

We discussed getting JV games with the Mississippi JuCos, but there was not much factual evidence that it was happening above the commentary.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 10, 2007, 02:39:44 PM
You can only travel 52 players to away games, and I'm sure Dubose knows what his bench can do. The MC game is over, and conference has begun. Let's move on folks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 10, 2007, 02:43:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 02:38:12 PM
DPU, we covered JV's on an portion of the board.

How many JV games are within a 3 hour drive of Greencastle?  ;)

Jackson MS is in the proverbial middle-of-nowhere.  You play Miss College twice, LaCollege, 3 hrs away, twice, Huntingdon 4hours away twice, and that is it.  :-\

We discussed getting JV games with the Mississippi JuCos, but there was not much factual evidence that it was happening above the commentary.

I believe Millsaps will only have 3-4 JV games this season, and none of them will be against Juco's. Mississippi has some of the better Juco teams in the nation, and pitting freshman against them would be slaughter for almost every D3 JV squad.

If I were a betting man, I would guess Millsaps' JV will face MC, Belhaven and perhaps LC or Huntingdon. The schedule should be out fairly soon. I will post it if it does.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 03:41:36 PM
Thanks, kid!  +1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on September 10, 2007, 03:56:05 PM
I tried to check what the origination was of DePauw not playing many kids and I could not.  So I am posting this based on my own observation Saturday.
DePauw led and was thoroughly in control Saturday before halftime.  I figured, and I made this comment to another DPU football alum, that barring a quick score or two from Anderson, the starters would play the first and maybe the second series, then they would start subbing.  By the end of the third quarter, there were no substitutions other than Marks who was nicked up after a run with about 10 minutes to go in the 3rd quarter.  Who knows how much longer he would have played if it weren't for that.
The first team offense was not pulled untill mid 4th quarter and the first team defense was not pulled until the last series of the game.
While I understand some of those kids would have stayed in like the first year starters, I would have thought the second string kids would have played at least the fourth quarter of a 47 to 7 game.  Many of those kids are freshman and may be counted on later in the year to play bigger roles.  This was a perfect game for them to get experience.  I don't understand.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 10, 2007, 04:27:32 PM
Just that kid, Ralph, et al

Huntingdon has jv games against south al (club - nov 11), Troy (D-1 - oct 21), Lagrange (oct 14 & sept 16), and Faulkner (NAIA - oct 7)

Faulkner had a scheduled jv game this past weekend, they cancelled (the word we heard was they had ~12 inelligible players...and needed to re group thier jv.... but who really no's)

call huntingdon.... they won't walk awayfrom anyone..... we saw that this past week end... as the varsity got a good old fashioned fanny whuppin

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 05:56:41 PM
AF 4,

South Alabama club team, looking for any games they can get.

Troy,  needs some reps to work the underclassmen, 40 mile bus ride

LaGrange, 80 miles up the road...natural rival;

Faulkner, crosstown,  great rival;  should be able to get 2 games there.

You have almost made the case for Huntingdon being in better shape than Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 10, 2007, 07:00:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 02:38:12 PM
DPU, we covered JV's on an portion of the board.

How many JV games are within a 3 hour drive of Greencastle?  ;)

Jackson MS is in the proverbial middle-of-nowhere.  You play Miss College twice, LaCollege, 3 hrs away, twice, Huntingdon 4hours away twice, and that is it.  :-\

No no, Ralph.  I certainly understand that.  Frank seemed a bit puzzled at why DPU didn't run the scrubs out there, but that's just something they've never done.  With several schools nearby, it's easy to schedule plenty of JV games to get the youngsters some PT and get the young first stringers more game experience.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 10, 2007, 07:00:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 02:38:12 PM
DPU, we covered JV's on an portion of the board.

How many JV games are within a 3 hour drive of Greencastle?  ;)

Jackson MS is in the proverbial middle-of-nowhere.  You play Miss College twice, LaCollege, 3 hrs away, twice, Huntingdon 4hours away twice, and that is it.  :-\

No no, Ralph.  I certainly understand that.  Frank seemed a bit puzzled at why DPU didn't run the scrubs out there, but that's just something they've never done.  With several schools nearby, it's easy to schedule plenty of JV games to get the youngsters some PT and get the young first stringers more game experience.
Thanks for the clarification, DPU3619.  +1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 10, 2007, 08:00:58 PM
Ralph. I saw a video of the AC/MM game. I understand what you meant about that QB. He can't really throw well, but he's got plenty of speed to burn. That RB is no slouch either! How fast is that Qb in the 40? And what year is he?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 10, 2007, 08:19:14 PM
Ralph

If you do not spend a night in a hotel on a road game can you suit up more than 52.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 08:29:54 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 10, 2007, 08:00:58 PM
Ralph. I saw a video of the AC/MM game. I understand what you meant about that QB. He can't really throw well, but he's got plenty of speed to burn. That RB is no slouch either! How fast is that Qb in the 40? And what year is he?
I am not sure what Rashon's 40 speed is, but he is 10.4/10.6secs in the 100 Meters.  Rashon is a junior.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2007, 08:33:40 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on September 10, 2007, 08:19:14 PM
Ralph

If you do not spend a night in a hotel on a road game can you suit up more than 52.
I don't think that the NCAA pays for them (or permits it) in the playoffs.  I am not sure what the rules are for the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on September 10, 2007, 08:38:20 PM
I believe there is a 52 or 53 player dress limit for playoffs and a party limit for travel. But I think that they can decide on the roster a few hrs before kickoff..
Pat probably has that info
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2007, 10:10:19 PM
Your playoff roster is 52.
You can travel more than 52 but you're paying for it, not the NCAA.
Your 52 must be set 10 minutes before kickoff.

None of this at all addresses regular-season games, which are subject to conference rules.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2007, 11:33:48 PM
From the SCAC home office in Memphis, TN ...

SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week
(For games played Saturday, Sept. 8th)

JUSTIN ALEXANDER OF COLORADO COLLEGE, a 5-7, 175-pound junior running back from Arlington, Texas, has been selected the SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 15.

Alexander had 194 rushing yards and two touchdowns on 26 carries (7.5 yards per carry) in Saturday's 37-21 victory over Pomona-Pitzer.

Alexander's performance on Saturday represented the second-most rushing yards of his career and his fifth career game with 100 or more yards. His career best was 224 yards against Lewis & Clark College on Sept. 23, 2006.

Alexander, who scored on runs of 26 and 3 yards on Saturday, has scored at least one touchdown in four consecutive games.


SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week

BRIAN MARYNOWITZ OF TRINITY UNIVERSITY, a 6-0, 170-pound senior defensive back from Coral Springs, Fla., has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 8.

Marynowitz led the Trinity defense with 12 tackles as well as two second-half interceptions as the Tigers defeated Texas Lutheran, 31-10.

His second interception came late in the fourth quarter to seal the victory and keep the Bulldogs off the scoreboard in the second half.

After giving up 10 points in the first half, Marynowitz and the defense gave up no points in the final two quarters, forcing three turnovers and blocking a field goal attempt. Marynowitz and the TU secondary allowed Texas Lutheran just 91 total yards of passing offense.

For the season, Marynowitz leads the team with 15 tackles and two interceptions, as well as picking up a fumble recovery in the first game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 11, 2007, 12:18:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2007, 11:33:48 PM
JUSTIN ALEXANDER OF COLORADO COLLEGE, a 5-7, 175-pound junior running back from Arlington, Texas


Man, just when I thought we'd gotten rid of Jeremy Britt... he's got a clone in Colorado Springs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 01:54:02 PM
Hey Frank I believe that the glass is both half full and half empty. As for your comment about Millsaps lucking out against a too confident Trinity team last year well that is just Bull S_ _ T. I was at that game and even taking away Chris Jackson's performance Millsaps did a solid ass wippin on Trinity. No doubt Trinity is a great team and a great program as their 13 conference championships clearly illustrates but give credit where credit is due.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on September 11, 2007, 02:19:17 PM
Personal Foul.  Roughing the poster.  15 yard penalty.  Play results in a Frank Ezelle first down.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 02:22:02 PM
Hello Jekelish,

It certainly looks like your offense has definetly improved but I also see where 45 and 21 points have been scored against you. I think you will give our guys a real test on the first conference game of the year for both of us. We have also improved greatly and we have a very high powered offense and a very good defense. It will be interesting to see if our guys can stop your very sucessful running attack. If we can it might be a long day for the Roos. Good luck to your guys and we enjoy playing at your place. The facility is 1st class and your fans are to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on September 11, 2007, 02:19:17 PM
Personal Foul.  Roughing the poster.  15 yard penalty.  Play results in a Frank Ezelle first down.

No, I believe that Frank's original comments got him a 15 yd penalty for unsportsmen like conduct!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 11, 2007, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on September 11, 2007, 02:19:17 PM
Personal Foul.  Roughing the poster.  15 yard penalty.  Play results in a Frank Ezelle first down.

No, I believe that Frank's original comments got him a 15 yd penalty for unsportsmen like conduct!!!

Hmm, is there anyway you could point us back to the post where I indicated that I believed Millsaps lucked out against Trinity?  I might have said that some people believe that, which is true.  I might have said that it's very possible that Trinity was somewhat overconfident going into the game given the results of the 2005 game, and I think that's a true statement.  I might have said that it was fortunate that Chris Jackson had a return game that vaulted him to first team All-American and that is true. 

What is also true is that I donate hundreds of hours every year to the athletes at Millsaps, I occasionally catch grief on this message board of being too much of a Millsaps "homer", and I sure as heck don't need to catch additional crap from Millsaps fans, especially guys who apparently go to the trouble of signing up for the messge board just to rip me.  With friends like this, who needs enemies.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 11, 2007, 02:50:48 PM
Quote from: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 02:32:12 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on September 11, 2007, 02:19:17 PM
Personal Foul.  Roughing the poster.  15 yard penalty.  Play results in a Frank Ezelle first down.

No, I believe that Frank's original comments got him a 15 yd penalty for unsportsmen like conduct!!!

Hmm, is there anyway you could point us back to the post where I indicated that I believed Millsaps lucked out against Trinity?  I might have said that some people believe that, which is true.  I might have said that it's very possible that Trinity was somewhat overconfident going into the game given the results of the 2005 game, and I think that's a true statement.  I might have said that it was fortunate that Chris Jackson had a return game that vaulted him to first team All-American and that is true. 

What is also true is that I donate hundreds of hours every year to the athletes at Millsaps, I occasionally catch grief on this message board of being too much of a Millsaps "homer", and I sure as heck don't need to catch additional crap from Millsaps fans, especially guys who apparently go to the trouble of signing up for the messge board just to rip me.  With friends like this, who needs enemies.

Hey Frank, here is your exact words I copied from your post.

And you quoted...

"Then they lucked up and had an All-American performance by senior Chris Jackson to beat an overconfident Trinity team in a down year for Trinity.  The 0-21 playoff loss proves that Millsaps really wasn't that great in 2006."

End Quote...

I believe "they" would constitute Millsaps is who you were refeering to. It is what it is. Your additional comment about the playoff loss proving that Millsaps wasn't that great is another comment that floors me. If you don't want to be criticized then read what you write before you post it. As for me signing up just to knock you, then I believe you truly have way to high of an opinion of yourself. I do however appreciate your time you donate to Millsaps athletes. I think that is a great jesture.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2007, 04:02:37 PM
Quote from: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
Hey Frank, here is your exact words I copied from your post.

And you quoted...

"Then they lucked up and had an All-American performance by senior Chris Jackson to beat an overconfident Trinity team in a down year for Trinity.  The 0-21 playoff loss proves that Millsaps really wasn't that great in 2006."

End Quote...

Too bad you quoted Frank totally out of context.  Perhaps you should go back and re-read the whole post and try to understand what he was trying to say.

Another poster penalty foul, I'm afraid:  Illegal substitution.  Now first and five for Frank Ezelle. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 04:19:52 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2007, 04:02:37 PM
Quote from: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 03:10:58 PM
Hey Frank, here is your exact words I copied from your post.

And you quoted...

"Then they lucked up and had an All-American performance by senior Chris Jackson to beat an overconfident Trinity team in a down year for Trinity.  The 0-21 playoff loss proves that Millsaps really wasn't that great in 2006."

End Quote...

Too bad you quoted Frank totally out of context.  Perhaps you should go back and re-read the whole post and try to understand what he was trying to say.

Another poster penalty foul, I'm afraid:  Illegal substitution.  Now first and five for Frank Ezelle. 

Hey Ron (All American) poster, I didn't know you were Frank's attorney. I did go back and read the whole post. I think he said what he wanted to say. He prefaced his comments saying it was "his theory". I didn't take anything out of context. It is what he said. Maybe when I have as many post as you have on this bulletin board and become an "all American" I will know what everyone really means instead of what they write.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2007, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 04:19:52 PMMaybe when I have as many post as you have on this bulletin board and become an "all American" I will know what everyone really means

I hope so, because obviously reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.    ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 11, 2007, 04:31:50 PM
Ron, that was classic.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 04:36:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2007, 04:24:17 PM
Quote from: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 04:19:52 PMMaybe when I have as many post as you have on this bulletin board and become an "all American" I will know what everyone really means

I hope so, because obviously reading comprehension is not one of your strong points.    ::)

It probably is not because I am from and got my education in McKinney Texas.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2007, 04:45:07 PM
Quote from: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 04:36:47 PM
It probably is not because I am from and got my education in McKinney Texas.

Bwahahaha!  Man, you just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.  Some of us have these things called "jobs," and so we don't live in the town where we grew up.   Good try, though, come again?

And let's look at YOUR profile:

Email:      fastcbx6@yahoo.com

Let's see.  I wonder if Millsaps has a cornerback with the number 6 ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on September 11, 2007, 04:50:39 PM
Agreed Frank.

SapHead Fan,

I must say I'm a little disappointed in your behavior.  I'm guessing that you are a former football player, or at least former athlete at Millsaps, as am I.  If you were a regular fan you probably would have never found this page, much less cared about who or what was being posted.  Perhaps next time you go to a Millsaps Football game, you should personally apologize to Frank for making such asinine remarks, and then thank him for providing hours of volunteer photography for the program (among the other countless things the entire Ezelle family have done for our school...perhaps next time you stand by the Kappa Sigma or KA house you should look up at the dorm named for his family and think about who you are roasting).  

Moreover, if you feel the need to be so crass in your commentary, don't post, and don't register for a new account to lambaste a man who has done nothing wrong.  It truly disappoints me to know that a fellow Millsaps student/graduate and former division III athlete would act the way that you act.  Next time you want to verbally assault someone, do it elsewhere.  Otherwise, state your name, purpose and opinion like a man.  Frank doesn't hide behind a moniker (e.g. SapHead Fan), and if you feel the need to verbally castigate him, perhaps you shouldn't either.  

Do the Message Board a favor and don't post unless you have something worthwhile to say.  And to put my money where my mouth is, the "82" was my number, "Ferric" is Latin for Iron (both indicative of my undergraduate major and attitude on the field), and Major stands for "David Cutter."  I didn't tolerate this kind of crap on the field and I won't tolerate it now from someone that not only represents my school, but my football team.  I will be at several games this year.  If you truly have a problem with this post, I think you will know where to find me.

-Sorry everyone for this rant.  It makes my blood boil to see a person from Millsaps act this way.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 04:53:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2007, 04:45:07 PM
Quote from: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 04:36:47 PM
It probably is not because I am from and got my education in McKinney Texas.

Bwahahaha!  Man, you just keep digging that hole deeper and deeper.  Some of us have these things called "jobs," and so we don't live in the town where we grew up.   Good try, though, come again?

And let's look at YOUR profile:

Email:      fastcbx6@yahoo.com

Let's see.  I wonder if Millsaps has a cornerback with the number 6 ...

Wrong again "All American" Well I have wasted enough finger strokes on you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 11, 2007, 05:15:12 PM
Seriously -- 30 seconds on Google tells us who you are. Perhaps you might want to tread a little more carefully. People tire of dealing with newbie posters who attack those who have been around the block. Probably should consider putting it in neutral while you still have something left in the tank.

Your son/brother/nephew would appreciate it, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2007, 06:37:03 PM
How about Millsaps at AC.

Another typical AC team.  Physically out-manned at several positions, out-"hearted" at none!

Fumbled 7 times and lost all 7 at McMurry, but kept coming back.  They were able to break thru the 8-man line and post big gains.

Punter was a factor in the field position game.

This will be another game for the offense in Coach Gage's system, and another D3 opponent.

I think that SWAG is just not up to D3 standards this year.  The McMurry game must have whetted some appetites.  AC knows that they are 0-0 in the Conference, and that one (non-Trinity) loss may not knock out a team as it did during the Trinity run.

50% chance that the game is Millsaps by 2 TD's of more.
30% chance that it is a Millsaps squeaker.
15% chance that it is an AC squeaker.
5% chance that it is an AC win by 2TD's or more.

100% chance that it is worth the price of the ticket.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on September 11, 2007, 08:00:45 PM
100% chance they are going to tee it up at 1:00PM Saturday and all our discussion goes by the wayside.

Should be a good test / measure of both squads.

Hard to believe it is game three of the season!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 11, 2007, 08:56:47 PM
All this squabbling and I'm not involved.....  how refreshing!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 11, 2007, 09:32:03 PM
Considering we don't charge for tickets, Ralph, you are absolutely correct!   :)

I'll be covering Saturday's Austin College-Millsaps game in Sherman for d3football.com, and if you're there, I hope you'll say "hi".  As always, images will be available for viewing under the Photo Galleries section on the front page by Monday.  And, as always, I'm taking special requests--just send me a private message or email offline, and I'll be glad to take care of it for you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2007, 10:02:46 PM
Are there any plans to recondition the track surface at Jerry Apple Stadium and offer Track and Field at AC?

When I saw the track about 3 years ago, it had been covered with asphalt?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 11, 2007, 10:16:03 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 11, 2007, 08:56:47 PM
All this squabbling and I'm not involved.....  how refreshing!

Agreed. It's kind of nice not being in the spotlight.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2007, 11:08:34 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 11, 2007, 09:32:03 PM
Considering we don't charge for tickets, Ralph, you are absolutely correct!   :)

I'll be covering Saturday's Austin College-Millsaps game in Sherman for d3football.com, and if you're there, I hope you'll say "hi".  As always, images will be available for viewing under the Photo Galleries section on the front page by Monday.  And, as always, I'm taking special requests--just send me a private message or email offline, and I'll be glad to take care of it for you.

Me too, Josh ... hope to see you there. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2007, 11:13:03 PM
Chris Allman has another good ATR-South this week.

The Howard College that B-SC beat 9-6 for their previous win in 1939 was what Samford (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samford_University) was called prior to 1958.  ;)

And I wonder if the loss by DePauw to an unnamed team in 1894 was actually a loss to Wabash, and some frat boys destroyed any record of the loss late in the 19th century?   ???   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 12, 2007, 12:19:09 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2007, 11:08:34 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 11, 2007, 09:32:03 PM
Considering we don't charge for tickets, Ralph, you are absolutely correct!   :)

I'll be covering Saturday's Austin College-Millsaps game in Sherman for d3football.com, and if you're there, I hope you'll say "hi".  As always, images will be available for viewing under the Photo Galleries section on the front page by Monday.  And, as always, I'm taking special requests--just send me a private message or email offline, and I'll be glad to take care of it for you.

Me too, Josh ... hope to see you there. 


Old home week for D3 posters as I will be there also.  :)  Ron,  how about sitting on the home side this time.  ;)  You can sit higher and get a better view like I do.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 12, 2007, 09:43:47 AM
On a brighter note... great "around the region" this week. Following up on the writer's assessment and infatuation with Juan Joseph's performance, I would also like to compliment the offensive line for providing so much time and the receiving core for making some big plays. They provided some good R.A.C. numbers the past two weeks!

For a new topic, how do you think the SCAC and ASC stack up? If it was one giant conference, how would you rank them? I don't know very much about the ASC, so I'm actually quiet curious.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on September 12, 2007, 10:36:28 AM
Jekelish, I agree with your post.  I am impressed with Coach Gage and his staff.  I believe you are mistaken about Josh Byrd. He is not playing Corner and he was injured against McMurry.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 12, 2007, 10:43:11 AM
Quote from: SapHead Fan on September 11, 2007, 02:22:02 PM
Hello Jekelish,

It certainly looks like your offense has definetly improved but I also see where 45 and 21 points have been scored against you. I think you will give our guys a real test on the first conference game of the year for both of us. We have also improved greatly and we have a very high powered offense and a very good defense. It will be interesting to see if our guys can stop your very sucessful running attack. If we can it might be a long day for the Roos. Good luck to your guys and we enjoy playing at your place. The facility is 1st class and your fans are to.

the 41 and 21 points put on us are a lot, i'll admit, though at least the 21 points are deceiving.  in that game, the first score was on a fumble recovery that took a very fortunate bounce into the hands of a SWAGU player who had no one between him and the AC endzone.  the second score was just a poor defensive play...we actually dominated possession, and those two scores came on pretty much fluke plays.

as for the 41, i didn't see the game, but AC had 8 fumbles (according to our coaches), which both kept them from scoring in the first half, and also gave McMurry a lot more chances than they normally would have had.  give the other team that many opportunities, and they're going to put points on the board.

the defense has been giving up a lot, but the points are not entirely their fault.

of course, you're right...if you DO end up stopping our running game, i'm not sure our passing attack is good enough to keep up with you guys.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 12, 2007, 10:50:43 AM
Quote from: FBCleatus on September 12, 2007, 10:36:28 AM
Jekelish, I agree with your post.  I am impressed with Coach Gage and his staff.  I believe you are mistaken about Josh Byrd. He is not playing Corner and he was injured against McMurry.

you're right about Byrd...oy, of all people I should really have known to type "safety" instead of corner.  you have to love brain farts, eh?

as for McMurry, again, I was unable to attend, but he started and was credited with four tackles.  if he was injured later in the game, i'm sure it was nothing too serious, because the 2-deep has not changed since last week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on September 12, 2007, 11:09:07 AM
Regardless of where they are playing Byrd/Fink and the rest are improved.I feel that they are playing hard.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 12, 2007, 11:09:52 AM
Now just for fun, let's look at the stats from last year's Millsaps/AC game:

Rushing attempts/yards: Millsaps 29/172 (net), AC 48/189 (net)
Passing attempts/yards: Millsaps 40/272, AC 18/106
Turnovers: Millsaps 0, AC 2 (1 fumble, 1 pick)
TOP: Millsaps 27:16, AC 32:44
First Downs (Rushing/Passing/Penalty): Millsaps 27 (10/15/2), AC 19 (12/6/1)
Third down conversions: Millsaps 5-11, AC 5-12

Scoring summary:
1st 4:38 - Millsaps pass TD, kick failed (6-0)
2nd 13:12 - AC field goal (6-3)
2nd 6:37 - Millsaps defensive safety (8-3, halftime score)
3rd 10:31 - Millsaps pass TD, 2pt conversion (16-3)
3rd 5:24 - Millsaps field goal (19-3)
3rd 4:53 - AC rushing TD, 2pt conversion (19-11)
4th 12:55 - Millsaps pass TD (26-11)

only one score came as a direct result of a turnover, and that's the Millsaps field goal.

for most of the game, it was more closely contested than the final indicates.  really, the game was decided by the Millsaps passing game, and AC's inability to defend the pass.

one reason that I believe AC stands a better chance (other than the fact that Tyson Roy had a big game running the ball and is now gone) is the improvement in the secondary.

Matt Finke has proven to be a great addition to the team, and Joel Purdy and Nick Youngblood are both improved.  Josh Byrd has also been a welcome addition.  Overall, the athleticism and speed in the defensive backfield has really improved since last year.  The improvement of the secondary should really help out against a passer like Juan Joseph, who had a solid game last year (only completed 18-of-40, but went for 272 and three scores/no picks).

Also, AC is just an overall improved team.  The offensive line has really figured out Coach Gage's offense, and the ground game is obviously working.  Ross Hasten only had three carries for 5 yards in last season's game, but this year is really playing much better, and is quicker and more comfortable, and is averaging 116.5 yards/game and 9.0 yards/carry.  Ryan Cowley is still a dangerous back even though he hasn't really gotten loose for a big game yet this year, but has been awfully consistent with 75.5 yards/game and 7.6 yards/carry.

The 'Roos need to hang onto the football, though, if they want to have any chance at upsetting Millsaps.  They put it on the ground seven times last week, and three times in last season's game against Millsaps.

It's going to be a competitive game.  If AC can hang onto the ball, I really believe that the team has improved enough to challenge the Majors all day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on September 12, 2007, 11:25:21 AM
Will Purdy and Byrd play Saturday?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 12, 2007, 12:26:51 PM
Ron, if you'd like to ride up to the game together, I'm happy to stop by and pick you up.  I'd also second roocru's suggestion about sitting on the home side--you'll get some shade there.

Ralph, I don't know if track has been considered or not.  My guess is not at this time, and the track remains asphalted over.  Men's and women's lacrosse has gotten some discussion, as the SCAC is looking to potentially add this as a varsity sport and Austin College already has (intermittently) fielded a team at the club level.  I personally see this as a bigger and better draw for potential Austin College students (and students at the other SCAC teams, too) than track.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2007, 01:22:26 PM
LaX ... would make more sense if Southwestern and Trinity would kick their club teams up to D3 status at the same time.  Otherwise there's not really anyone in the area AC could play, is there? 

Re the weekend ... lemme think about it.  Since I got rid of the junker last November the drive's not as much of a concern as it used to be.   ;) Roocru, I'll probably sit in the press box but will try to find you before/after the game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 12, 2007, 01:32:06 PM
Ron, Pat, Josh. How do you think the ASC and SCAC stack up? If you were to make one conference out of teams from the two, who would you pick and why? From a fans point of view...

I don't know very much about the ASC top to bottom, and I'm quiet curious.

Anyone else, feel free to chime in and give some input.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 01:36:50 PM
Don't you want to have that discussion on the separate board you created?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 12, 2007, 01:48:22 PM
How do you think the two conferences would stack up if they were combined? If it was one giant conference, how would you rank them, and how would the balance perhaps be shifted?

What if there were more non-conference games? How do you think they would fair against one another? Who would you like to see play?

Let's kick around some idea's and learn a little bit more about some other school's in the region.
"ASC vs. SCAC you pick 'em" is now on the discussion board. Give some input!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 12, 2007, 01:51:45 PM
Ahhh, newbies.  Gotta love 'em!   :)

I was pleased to see that SapSucker or whatever the heck his name was got a nice little timeout.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 12, 2007, 02:36:49 PM
I didn't time him out. Any break he is taking from the board is of his own choosing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 13, 2007, 09:58:28 AM
I miss one day to go take golf team photos and look at all the action I miss.  For the record, I did receive an apology by email and I consider that episode closed. 

Regarding the Millsaps-AC game this weekend, I look forward to the results with great interest.  I haven't seen AC play so any predictions I make should be taken with a grain of salt.  If you go by preseason polls, then Millsaps should win big.  LC was ranked ahead of McMurry in the preseason poll and Millsaps killed LC on the road while playing 74 players and Austin lost to McMurry.  Of course, Michigan was ranked #5 in the D1 preseason poll and that appears to have been off just a little.

For what it's worth, I believe the Millsaps team that played Austin last year wasn't nearly as good as the team they became by the end of the year.  From what I saw in the MC game this year, I also believe that Millsaps is a far better team now than they were when they beat Trinity.  I'm sure that Austin is also a better team than the one that played Millsaps in 2006, which is why people are thinking this will be a close game.

As for a prediction on the game, I'll take Millsaps by 28 or more.  I know that sounds like just a fan talking, but MC and LC are both suppose to have pretty good offenses and they hardly scored against the guys who will be playing defense for Millsaps this Saturday.  And as for the Millsaps offense, it's more potent now than it was last season so I think Millsaps will score more than they did in last year's game.  I look forward to listening to the game to see how it turns out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 13, 2007, 10:46:48 AM
Frank
I agree that Millsaps is better at this time compared to last year. I would also expect that AC will be also. It should be a good game to show where these teams will shake out for the year. I was
at the AC game last year and it was a very nice experience for the team and fans that were there. Millsaps is a much more seasoned team with real weapons on both sides of the ball. Being on the road is much less of a big deal to this club. This is their 4th straight road game going back to the 06 playoffs.
I think the key to the win for Millsaps is the run game. Can the defense stop their run and can the offense run enough to open up the passing game that Juan is most effective in? In order for that to occur he has to have enough time and a defense that is second guessing.... Basic spread philosophy.
I think the travel weather with Humberto going through Jackson tomorrow AM will be a variable the staff and team will have to deal with starting out. Game time weather looks great.
Prediction Millsaps 27 AC 10
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 13, 2007, 12:21:49 PM
The game will likely come down to how long AC can hold the football. Last year, they held Millsaps well under their average for plays per game. Millsaps is going to score points, and can do so in a big hurry. The game will get closer and closer the longer AC's offense can hang on to the ball.
I think Millsaps is more of a "pass to open the run" kind of team, but you're right LaMajor, after last week it will be important to see if they can continue running the ball seemingly at will. AC's defense might make that a little more difficult, though, simply by their alignment and style.
In all, this game will be a very good test for both schools, and will undoubtedly be a good one to watch! Good luck to both programs!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2007, 02:30:58 PM
I'm certainly hoping it will be a good game.   AC is improving but I think they're a year or two away from showing the full effects of Coach Gage's ability to recruit in north Texas.  And from a Millsaps perspective, I think the "loss" to MC in week 1 has galvanized the players to ensure that nothing close to that happens again.   IMO there's no excuse for the Majors to be unranked in the D3Football.com top 25 - and Millsaps isn't even getting as much as one stinking vote.  I expect the Jackson contingent to make that point clear this weekend.  Unfortunately there are so many teams in D3 that it takes a while for respect to be earned.   The 2006 playoff shutout didn't help, either.

I'll try to file a report after the game.  Unfortunately since the change to D3Scorebard.com the site doesn't have the ability to link non-college released game stories into the scoreboard; I'll host it on my own web site and post the link here. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 02:38:26 PM
Millsaps might be ranked if it played four quarters on opening night.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2007, 02:40:27 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 02:38:26 PM
Millsaps might be ranked if it played four quarters on opening night.

Touche!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 02:46:04 PM
Indeed -- though I'm not meaning it as a zing. If a voter can't count on Millsaps to put its best team on the field in non-conference games, why should they vote for them?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2007, 03:12:00 PM
I don't disagree.

It will be nice to see the Majors in action Saturday, though, and to see if all the hullabaloo is justified or not.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 13, 2007, 03:20:06 PM
It sure is tough to put week one behind us......but this week is the only one that counts now. I do think week one will bite again later if things play out like the Millsaps faithful hope.
I will not think about week one.
I will not think about week one.
I will not think about week one.
I will not think about week one. ;D
Go Majors
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 03:35:18 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 13, 2007, 03:26:53 PM
Actually, Millsaps did play the whole game, just not the first unit.

No offense, but that isn't the same thing and everyone here knows that. Remember the comments about playing it like it was an NFL preseason game? Those aren't played to win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 03:47:58 PM
Probably not legal. JV games or extra scrimmage work, perhaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2007, 03:48:28 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 13, 2007, 03:40:28 PM
Maybe next year Mike and Norman can plan to play a "fifth quarter" for the younger guys?

Thoughts on that?

Do all the old farts get to drink cold beers and watch?   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 13, 2007, 04:05:35 PM
Haha. Here we go again. This is going to be coming back all season, huh?

Ron: I'm sure that Millsaps and its fans have put week one behind them, and are just going to take it one week at a time. Polls and stats are nice, but if they don't win the conference, it doesn't really matter. I'm sure there are a few people around here that can give them a nudge in those polls though (hint hint). haha.

Pat: Whatever happened, happened, and I wouldn't expect less than the best from Millsaps in every facet of the game. No one can afford to anymore. You're probably right about the poll issue and how some pollsters might view Millsaps, but it's water over the dam now. Hope Millsaps can go out there and show everyone what they're made of so week one can be put to rest! I hope you actually get to see a game, too!

Big C: Thanks for the reminder. If I could give you karma points I would, because I sure forgot! haha.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2007, 04:10:56 PM
I'm not one of them, in case you're wondering.  Don't really know enough about the entire D3 landscape to cast a knowledgeable vote.

If Millsaps keeps winning they'll get back on the radars of the national voters who no doubt feel 'burned' by the week 1 result.  I think it's danged unfortunate b/c they're not getting the respect they would had their record been 2-0, but I understand where Pat is coming from as a voice which is representative of those who are voting.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 13, 2007, 04:44:38 PM
I will not think about week one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 13, 2007, 04:58:57 PM
You guys are hilarious... 

Texas Lutheran and Trinity was an interesting one this past weekend.  is the TLU QB out for the season or just a couple of games?  Trinity seemed to roll all over them from looking at the sparse reports I was able to dig up on the net. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 13, 2007, 05:04:46 PM
If Millsaps is playing for votes, things might get frustrating.  You'll only play your best if you're focused on the opponent.


Regardless, I'm making the trip for the game on Oct 27th.  It looks like there are plenty of Jackson folk hanging around the board lately, so I'm hoping that someone can answer this question:

What is the story with the King Edward Hotel?

If there is no story, we'll stay at Cabot of course, but I'm a sucker for historic buildings. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 13, 2007, 05:25:04 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 13, 2007, 05:04:46 PM
If Millsaps is playing for votes, things might get frustrating.  You'll only play your best if you're focused on the opponent.


No doubt. Play to win and the votes will take care of themselves.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2007, 05:33:01 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 13, 2007, 04:58:57 PM
You guys are hilarious... 

Texas Lutheran and Trinity was an interesting one this past weekend.  is the TLU QB out for the season or just a couple of games?  Trinity seemed to roll all over them from looking at the sparse reports I was able to dig up on the net. 

Their #1 QB was injured early in the Sul Ross game and is out for the season.  The kid who came in did pretty well given that his prior experience was going 0-3 in the Sully game.  Bryant Villa is a sophomore from SA McCullum, not a premiere FB school by any stretch.   Joel Waldon will seek a medical redshirt according to published reports.

Trinity had difficulty stopping TLU's RB/KR/PR Anthony Smith, who piled up over 140 yards rushing, but came up with the big defensive plays to stop the drives in the second half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2007, 09:29:58 PM
I am looking at a chance to get to the AC/Millsaps game.  I will wear a McMurry cap and maybe a maroon shirt.

I hope to see as many of you who are there...Josh, Ron Boerger, Frank Ezelle, roocru...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2007, 10:34:57 PM
Ralph, you can ride up with Ron and I on Saturday, if you'd like.  Let me know and I'll pass along the particulars.

I think we might need to pose for a group photo!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 13, 2007, 11:42:27 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2007, 10:34:57 PM
Ralph, you can ride up with Ron and I on Saturday, if you'd like.  Let me know and I'll pass along the particulars.

I think we might need to pose for a group photo!

Count me in!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 14, 2007, 07:39:43 AM
With Millsaps getting no votes, I have to conclude that there is a conspiracy against the Millsaps team.  Last year they were SCAC Champions and yet they also had no votes after two games--I see a suspcious pattern.  :) :) :) (Please note the smiley faces--last year after two games Millsaps was 0-2 and had given up 93 points).

In all honesty, I agree 100% that Millsaps has no reason to expect any points in the poll at this point.  Things will work out if Millsaps does well in the SCAC.

On another note, it was mentioned yesterday on the coach's show that Millsaps and Belhaven will have a JV game this Monday at 4:30 at Millsaps.  Maybe one of the Millsaps parents can confirm that I heard the details correctly.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 14, 2007, 11:33:50 AM
Interesting question about the JV history at Millsaps.  I graduated from Millsaps in 1973 and I doubt that there has been a formal JV game since then.  There have been the preseason scrimmages where everyone gets to play, but I don't think they have ever had enough players to need a series of JV games in the middle of the season. 

I think Consultant is keeping up with the board even though he isn't posting very often and maybe he'll have some info on the subject since he is a former Millsaps SID.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 14, 2007, 12:55:30 PM
Well with all of these dignitaries making their way to Sherman, I hope the 'Roos can shut down the Millsaps passing game enough to give you a good show.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 14, 2007, 01:42:16 PM
Regarding the JV situation at Millsaps, there has never been any formal JV program for football of which I am aware.  The squads have always been rather small. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2007, 02:20:45 PM
Quote from: consultant on September 14, 2007, 01:42:16 PM
Regarding the JV situation at Millsaps, there has never been any formal JV program for football of which I am aware.  The squads have always been rather small. 
I see that as an opportunity.  Belhaven needs the enrollment boost from football.  The same can be said for MissColl, and LaCollege.

If Millsaps can get 6 JV games in the season, then you can get playing time for another 40-50 younger players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 14, 2007, 08:50:52 PM
not trying to upset the SCAC message board gods (like saphead), but there are some other games this week other than JV Millsaps and Millsaps/AC.

I knowt the Pick 'Em board is separate. But what about some input for this weekend's games? we are less than 24 hours away.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2007, 12:06:05 AM
It would help if we could drag some other teams' fans over here, Hunter.

I don't expect Centre to give DePauw much of a battle.  DPU 34, Centre 20.
Ditto Sewanee at a CC team that'll surprise someone this year.  CC 42 Sewanee 10
I expect Rhodes to get the W at BSC but I have no idea what the margin will be. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 02:45:55 AM
Ron, I totally agree with you. It's hard to keep supporting your school when all you see is Trinity and Millsaps fans, with the exception of DPU3619 and roocru (kudos to those guys). Which is why I've tried to keep up to date with this as much as possible. I support my school and will continue to do so no matter what. For those of you that know me personally, that's why I have it tattooed into my leg, but that's another story for another time.

I agree with the thoughts on this weekend's games. Depauw wins, but in a game, not a blow out. Colorado plays tough at home against a weaker Sewanee team.

Rhodes should win this weekend, but I have no idea what it's going to be like. I know the defense is hungry for a chance to knock down a "traitor" as I would like to think of it. Especially with his face being on a billboard in Birmingham. I know how the seniors feel at least about it, and I expect a few roughing the passer penalties just for the chance to knock him down.

Hopefully though we can keep focus and play hard the whole game, iron out our problems from last week, and come out 2-0. That's what I expect from the coaches and players, they won't settle for anything else.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2007, 01:22:17 PM
In Birmingham, three fumbles in the first seven minutes (two by Rhodes) have resulted in a scoreless tie.  B-SC just went for it on fourth and one at their own 35 but was stopped for a loss and Rhodes is now driving. 

I'm in Sherman for Millsaps-Austin (1PM CT start) and will post updates in the D3 blog (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/09/15/live-from-around-the-country/).

EDIT:  A sack on third down pushed Rhodes out of field goal range so it's still 0-0 with 4:55 left in the first.

EDIT2:  Perhaps fittingly, the quarter ends with a B-SC fumble (which is recovered by the Panthers).  Rhodes also had another fumble which they recovered on a drive that was stopped at the B-SC 31.  Still scoreless after one. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 01:33:04 PM
Ron, where are you getting your updates? is there a live stats page somewhere?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 01:34:49 PM
scratch that, found it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 01:38:04 PM
DPU - 7
Centre - 0

Marks runs for a 9 yd TD
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 02:26:00 PM
Rhodes - 0
BSC - 7
at the half

Centre - 0
DPU - 14
at the half

not sure what's going on in Birmingham, the live stats page was working, but not sure now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 02:47:15 PM
stats are back up.

The BSC touchdown came off a blocked punt return, 26 yds for the TD.

Middle of the 3rd, McCart intercepts a pass near midfield. Rhodes drives. Oliver passes to Sealand, down to the 14yd line. Then another Rhodes fumble, their 5th overall, and 3rd lost.

BSC with the ball, punt. Rhodes starts at the 20.

still 7-0 BSC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 03:01:53 PM
start of the 4th quarter, still 7-0 in Birmingham.

Rhodes has the ball, 1st and 10 on the BSC 18 though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 03:11:38 PM
the story of this game is Rhodes miscues, 5 fumbles, bad penalties, a blocked punt for a TD. This is making me frustrated.

stat line as of 12 min left in 4th
                          BSC                          Rhodes
rushing yds         38                               60
passing yds         52                              166
total yds            90                                  226
turnovers            2                                  3
3rd down           0-12                             5-15   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on September 15, 2007, 03:13:12 PM
Millsaps 16 - Austin College 10,  late 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 03:23:28 PM
touchdown Rhodes (finally)

7-7 with 5:26 left in the 4th.

13 yd td pass from Oliver to Lake.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on September 15, 2007, 03:24:07 PM
AC throws with seconds left in the first half Millsaps intersepts returns to th 1 foot line with 4 sec. left in the half. Millsaps punches it over, 2 point conversion no good. Millsaps leads 22 -10 at the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 03:30:41 PM
BSC does nothing, punts, rhodes does nothing, punts. BSC fumbles on the return, rhodes recovers. 1st and 10 lynx on their 37.

big run, medium pass. suddenly rhodes on the 20, 1st and 10.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 03:33:05 PM
4th and 4 on the 14 yd line. Timeout BSC.

FG attempt from Catalanotto. GOOD!!!

10-7 Rhodes!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 03:51:21 PM
final score, Rhodes 10-7 over BSC.

They better learn that they're playing tackle football and not pee wee. Rhodes didn't fnid a way to win this one, BSC found a way to lose. That might be the ugliest game i've seen, and i didn't even see it.

I'm not sure what sparked the boys to pull it together in the 4th quarter, but in 2 games so far this season, they've only played a total of 3 quarters or real football. With a combined record of 0-12 against varsity teams, BSC and LaGrange are not the strongest opponents. Rhodes better get their stuff together soon or it's going to be a long season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on September 15, 2007, 04:20:11 PM
Sounds like an ugly game at Austin.  22-10 Millsaps still.  Millsaps has missed 3 field goals and can't take advantage of the short field that they keep getting.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 15, 2007, 04:36:45 PM
All Tigers today in Greencastle. 38-7 the final, as the Tigers got 24 third-quarter points to pull away. Spud Dick throws for 3 TD, Jeremiah Marks rushes for 160+ yards, and the DePauw defense comes up with SEVEN INTs, tying a school record.

I realize there's such a thing as cautious optimism, but through two games this DePauw team looks head and shoulders above last year's bunch. They're +11 in the turnover margin through two games and the offensive line is dominating (only one Centre sack today, and it came with the second-stringers in).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 15, 2007, 04:37:17 PM
Oh, it's not that ugly.  Millsaps leads 36-10 with 8 minutes to go in the 4th.  Now to be sure, the Millsaps' kicking game is ugly, but boy the Millsaps' kicking game has never been pretty.  Nice effort by Millsaps on the road today.  It's a very good win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2007, 04:38:13 PM
AC's hung in for three quarters but two Millsaps quick scores have broken the game open.  It's 36-10 with under nine minutes to play.

I am perplexed at the lack of play for Andy Braly, who played the second quarter and was the only AC QB to get anything going all day through the air.  But in any case, it's been a dominating performance by Millsaps.  Without a few ill-timed Millsaps fumbles/ints this game would have been out of hand much earlier.

Nice day for Juan Joseph, who just left the game.   32-44 for 355 yds and there were some drops that could have put him over 400 yards on the day. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on September 15, 2007, 05:02:44 PM
Final in Sherman, TX

Majors 43 -- 'Roos 10
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 15, 2007, 06:17:34 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 15, 2007, 04:36:45 PM
I realize there's such a thing as cautious optimism, but through two games this DePauw team looks head and shoulders above last year's bunch.

Very well stated, my friend.  Don't sleep on 'em.  They're a good football team.  This defense has a chance to be GREAT.  And they will only continue to get better.  Robby Long has his guys in a scheme that is really working.   Very speedy and very sound (so far).

That offense is getting back to where it was a couple of years ago.  Marks went for 26 and like 120 or thereabouts in THE FIRST HALF.  The O-line was dominant all day long.  Spud's improvment is like night and day.  Showed great touch on the deep balls all afternoon long.  Throw in some very talented young receivers to go with it, and it's making for a greatly improved football team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2007, 06:44:07 PM
Sewanee made a game of it before falling at Colorado College, 36-26.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2007, 06:53:53 PM
Ron, roocru, Josh B, and Big C...

It was good to see all of you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 15, 2007, 09:16:11 PM
One other thing I wanted to mention.  Tigers with a new uni look this season.  Gold pants have black piping down the side which looks very nice.  They've also made the move to gold helmets which are quite sharp.  You can see them in the pic in this game story if you want.

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/index.asp?id=20025
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2007, 10:12:11 PM
Must be new uni year or something as East Texas Baptist and Trinity also have spiffy new unis.

Wow - interesting results this weekend.  The DPU - Millsaps game next week in two weeks should be a barn-burner. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on September 15, 2007, 10:31:06 PM
It will be interesting to see how Millsaps does at DePauw (and no, I'm not overlooking Rhodes). Millsaps has not won at DePauw since 1994 and they haven't beaten them at their place since DePauw joined the conference. Here are the scores since their last win in Greencastle:

1999 Millsaps 10- DePauw 41
2001 Millsaps 7  - DePauw 32
2003 Millsaps 34- DePauw 55
2005 Millsaps 14- DePauw 51

DePauw was always tough place to play because a) They are always a very good football team b) Field is not the best in the conference (only Centre being worse) c) In my opinion, from when I played, probably the worst/smallest visitor locker room in the country (1 Toilet/ 5 Shower heads for 52 guys doesn't add up too well). It may not seem like a big deal, but it can get you annoyed before the game even starts. However, with Coach DuBose in charge, I think he he will get those boys focused so that the game is closer than the recent average of 45-16 drumming of Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2007, 10:49:47 PM
Hunter, you'll be interested to know that Joey Jones (coach at B-SC) has picked Rhodes to finish "second or third" in the SCAC based on the team's performance today.  Interesting stat of the day as alluded to by Hunter was this (from the BSC game summary (http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2007/9/15/bsc%20rhodes%20gamer.asp?path=football)):   Rhodes College led BSC with 322 yards of offense to 77 yards despite losing three fumbles on the afternoon.

Another SCAC tidbit:  Colorado College TE Nolan Swett, who had 109 yards receiving today, became the all-time leader at CC with his 22nd TD catch.  QB Jon McDonald was 25-31 for 310 yards and three TDs, suffering two INTs in only his second start.  It's the first 2-0 start in the Springs since '94, the first four-game winning streak since '93.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 15, 2007, 11:23:19 PM
Ron I'm not trying to take anything away from the intelligence of the BSC football coach, but it does take an offense and a defense to finish first, second, or third in the conference. After today, I'm not sure we have that.

The defense was solid, led by Desmond Hendricks (8 tackles, 6 TFL, 3 Sacks for 21 yds). That's a hard stat line to argue with. Followed by Mosby with 9 tackles, Mattioli with 8 and a FR. Defense was solid today, 3 TOs and only 77 yds of total offense. No complaint at all there.

Offense... a different story. I support these guys till the day I die, and they got the job done. I'm not taking anything away from that. But you cannot start your day with the first two drives ending in lost fumbles. Sorry, that's not going to cut it in the SCAC. Especially not with a big game next week in Mississippi. If these boys expect to have any chance next week against the Majors, they need to do two things:

1. Play an entire game of football.
2. Get rid of the miscues on offense and special teams.

I was at the Millsaps game last year, and played against them for 4 years. The Majors don't like Rhodes. Its a well known fact. They're going to come out hard and fast and not let up until the final whistle. The defense needs to be up for a challenging day, and the offense needs to get something started.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 16, 2007, 07:49:22 PM
Millsaps vs. Belhaven (JV game) tomorrow at 4pm @ Harper Davis Field (Millsaps Campus).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2007, 07:59:01 PM
Kid, sorry that I missed you yesterday in Sherman.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 16, 2007, 08:57:35 PM
It's quiet alright. I just hope all of you enjoyed the game! Thanks for supporting Millsaps/AC and the SCAC in general.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 17, 2007, 09:16:05 AM
A few "for what it's worth" items:

--Hunter T, please continue to post and bring a few other Rhodes fans into the fold.  I know that this year and towards the end of last year, there has been a lot of Millsaps posts on the board (there weren't nearly as many when Millsaps was going 2-7).  I think the problem isn't too much from Millsaps, but not enough from others.  It's even worse in basketball and baseball.  There were times last year when those were basically the "frank_ezelle" message board and I got sick of seeing my name as the last person to post.  I wish we could get more involvement from all SCAC schools--the student-athletes at these other schools deserve the representation.

--It wasn't pretty at Louisiana College Saturday as LC rolled up over 600 yards of total offense in a 38-15 win over McMurry.  I mention this because of the SCAC teams these two ASC teams have played.  LC only had 159 total yards in their opener vs Millsaps so is the Millsaps defense that strong or the McMurry defense that weak.  Austin had 394 yards against McMurry and 198 against Millsaps with 72 of those yards coming on the first play.

--Another ASC result had MC winning again with a 34-5 win over Texas Lutheran.  MC had 398 yards of offense and held TLC to 150 yards.  How to compare those numbers to the Millsaps game is a little difficult for reasons you all know.  MC allowed 365 yards of total offense and had 409 yards of total offense against Millsaps in the 27-26 victory.  Regardless of how you want to interpret the numbers, I said it then and I'll say it again--I think MC has a really good team this year and maybe they have a shot at the ASC crown if they can upset MHBC in a big Homecoming showdown.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Gaunt on September 17, 2007, 12:43:03 PM
Hello all,

Speaking of better representation from other SCAC schools, I'm joining the ranks of DPU3619, DPULefty22 and others as yet another DePauw fan/alumni/former player on the board.

Good times.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2007, 12:49:45 PM
Welcome, Matt!

The SCAC board is getting better every year.  We are glad to have you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2007, 01:09:14 PM
Yep, welcome Matt!

Frank - I doubt MC has any serious chance of upsetting UMHB.   If they couldn't score against the first string Millsaps defense they won't score against the first string UMHB defense either.  Those guys are big, those guys are strong, and they are talented.  But that's why they play the games ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 17, 2007, 01:57:33 PM
Ralph, Ron, Josh et al,

I would be interested in hearing thoughts on the Millsaps/AC game from Saturday from those in attendance?  It is always nice to get some non-biased thoughts from people outside the program.  I will not get a chance to see the Majors until the Trinity game in late October and stats don't always tell the whole story.  Just curious what you guys thought?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2007, 02:59:50 PM
Quote from: exmajor on September 17, 2007, 01:57:33 PM
Ralph, Ron, Josh et al,

I would be interested in hearing thoughts on the Millsaps/AC game from Saturday from those in attendance?  It is always nice to get some non-biased thoughts from people outside the program.  I will not get a chance to see the Majors until the Trinity game in late October and stats don't always tell the whole story.  Just curious what you guys thought?

I think if you go to the live game blog (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/09/15/live-from-around-the-country) from Saturday you will get a pretty good idea of my thoughts, ex-.  Millsaps showed a very potent offense helped by an AC defense that had a hard time covering four- and five-wide sets, and a defense that stuffed the run with the exception of the "oops" play where the AC back went into the line, appeared to be stopped and everyone relaxed for a second or two before realizing he was still going.  I was impressed enough by what I saw to rank the Majors second in the region (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=4788.585) based on the other teams I've seen in person and the results season-to-date.  The other voters don't see it quite that way.  And yeah, someone's going to throw the week 1 stuff in my face - save it, I weight recent results more than old ones.

That said, I don't believe Millsaps got a full test.  AC is not a passing team and Coach Gage stuck primarily with his running QB.  The passing QB gave AC its only drive of the day but threw it up for grabs at the end of the first half which put a way different spin on going to the locker room.  The Majors played eight in the box a good deal and obviously if your opponent runs 80% of the time that's a big help.  AC was also without its two best corners, out with injury, and the undersized DL could not exert much pressure on JJ.  JJ was impressive in his three+ quarters, too.   I also don't know if Millsaps gets away with as many WR screens against better teams as they did against Austin on Saturday. 

In any case, a very impressive result (that could easily have been 63-3) against a team that's not as bad as that might indicate.   Last year Millsaps underachieved on the road and early returns indicate that problem has been fixed.   Trinity and DePauw (don't sleep on the Indiana Tigers who seem much improved) both have their work cut out for them. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 17, 2007, 03:08:54 PM
thanks Ron, sorry for neglecting the blog from Saturday!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2007, 03:25:41 PM
Having seen AC in both D-3 games, I was optimistic about McMurry's chances.  Then they rolled out that effort at LC.

I think that Millsaps finishes 3rd in the ASC.  Trinity caught a weak ETBU and a wounded TLU.

I thought that AC game was only a "1-2 TD game" and will refer you to Ron's blog the way that it ended.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 17, 2007, 03:38:26 PM
I saw the difference in the game boiling down to speed.  Millsaps was able to play the uption with its LB's and safeties from the inside out and make the plays at the LOS.  I thought the defense played pretty well and then it became a matter of being on the field too long.  I believe both teams are better at this point in the season than they were last year.

AC will always look better against teams that are closer in speed to themselves until they can begin matching it with some of their own.  The offense is not based entirely on the option though and they have enough of a power running game to keep other offenses off the field.
                                                   
I still think they will represent themselves well in the SCAC and are a program that is turning the corner.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2007, 03:44:09 PM
I agree with roocru.  The move to the SCAC will help immensely.  Look at AC's performance (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Austin&year=2007) in the ASC.  Minus the 2 "obligatory" losses to UMHB and HSU, AC was a consistent .500 team.

I think that AC is a consistent 5-3/6-2 in the SCAC, year after year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 17, 2007, 04:09:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2007, 03:44:09 PM
I agree with roocru.  The move to the SCAC will help immensely.  Look at AC's performance (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Austin&year=2007) in the ASC.  Minus the 2 "obligatory" losses to UMHB and HSU, AC was a consistent .500 team.

I think that AC is a consistent 5-3/6-2 in the SCAC, year after year.

I hope there are a few years mixed in there at 7-1/8-0 so we can sniff the playoffs.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 17, 2007, 04:29:19 PM
Just my random musings....

I don't quite agree with Ron's man-crush  ;) (I had them 6th or 7th in the Fan Poll, I believe--because Week 1 does count) on the Majors, but did think they were a talented bunch Saturday. 

*  Their WRs are all quick and have pretty good hands--very important with the short passing game the Majors employ.

*  The game would have been 14-10 at the half, but for what I'd deem a couple of questionable play calls by the 'Roos late in the second quarter. 

*  The Majors just wore down the AC defense in the second half, though, due to the fact that the 'Roos had trouble in the third and fourth quarters sustaining drives. 

*  AC was never really able to get any consistent pressure on Joseph, either--giving him plenty of time to pick apart the secondary when they did throw the ball down the field. 

*  I think roocru's assessment of the Millsaps defense is a good one, and he ought to know as an 'ol ball coach.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 17, 2007, 04:34:23 PM
Photos of the game are up and available for viewing under the Photo Galleries link on the d3football.com home page.

Please visit early and often!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2007, 04:49:04 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 17, 2007, 04:29:19 PM
I don't quite agree with Ron's man-crush  ;) (I had them 6th or 7th in the Fan Poll, I believe--because Week 1 does count) on the Majors, but did think they were a talented bunch Saturday. 

Ah, well, if everyone voted the same way it would be a boring poll.  Having watched five teams play in the first six weeks I'm pretty comfortable with my rankings.   

As to Ralph's contention that Millsaps would be third in the ASC, I'd like to see HSU win a game or two before going that far.   UMHB is head and shoulders above everyone in the region right now and the rest is up for grabs.   Hopefully we get some non-traditional playoff matchups for a change to help us gauge the other contenders.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 17, 2007, 05:09:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2007, 04:49:04 PM
Ah, well, if everyone voted the same way it would be a boring poll.  Having watched five teams play in the first six weeks I'm pretty comfortable with my rankings.   

As to Ralph's contention that Millsaps would be third in the ASC, I'd like to see HSU win a game or two before going that far.   UMHB is head and shoulders above everyone in the region right now and the rest is up for grabs.   Hopefully we get some non-traditional playoff matchups for a change to help us gauge the other contenders.   
Ron,
  Not sure that is a stretch considering MC has won the last two games against them. Why do I get the feeling we will be talking about the MC-Millsaps game the entire season? Hard to avoid when ranking the teams in region. I would agree that the ASC is as even as it has ever been excluding UMHB, Millsaps would be in that mix along with Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 17, 2007, 05:52:31 PM
Big C, it was nice meeting you this weekend.  Glad you made it home alright.  Check out the photo gallery--there's some nice shots of your son.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on September 17, 2007, 07:05:02 PM
Welcome to the board Gaunt! (its Mike Valentine)  Have not talked or seen you in a while hopefully you live close to Greencastle and can add insight to along with DPU3619 and DPULefty22.  All i do is read since i live in New Orleans.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on September 17, 2007, 07:59:47 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 17, 2007, 05:52:31 PM
Big C, it was nice meeting you this weekend.  Glad you made it home alright.  Check out the photo gallery--there's some nice shots of your son.

I enjoyed it as well and have looked over the pictures. You did a great job.

I sent a couple of the proofs to my son along with a few of a couple of his good friends --- 77, 22, 44, 30 --- we may want to order a couple from you?

I wish I had thought to catch up with you after the game and introduce you to him and my family.

If you get over to a Millsaps game later this year, we will have to see that that happens.

Thanks again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on September 17, 2007, 08:01:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2007, 06:53:53 PM
Ron, roocru, Josh B, and Big C...

It was good to see all of you.
Enjoyed it as well.

Thanks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 17, 2007, 08:36:39 PM
Millsaps' J.V. defeated  Belhaven College's J.V. 41-28 this afternoon. The teams played four, twelve minutes quarters. It was a good showing for both squads.

Millsaps is working on two JV games with MC, and possibly working on a third with another school. Schedules are to be announced at a later date.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2007, 08:39:51 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 17, 2007, 08:05:48 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2007, 03:25:41 PM
Having seen AC in both D-3 games, I was optimistic about McMurry's chances.  Then they rolled out that effort at LC.

I think that Millsaps finishes 3rd in the ASC.  Trinity caught a weak ETBU and a wounded TLU.

I thought that AC game was only a "1-2 TD game" and will refer you to Ron's blog the way that it ended.

Ralph -

Are you saying a 7 to 14 point spread between the two teams all things being equal --- ie no unusual momentum swings etc...?
Yes, I mentioned that to roocru early in the 4th quarter, before Millsaps pulled away.  I am not disparaging Millsaps.  The game just seemed closer to me.  I strongly agree with Ron Boerger's well-stated assessment.

(McMurry led AC 35-7 early in the third quarter as well, but I am not saying that McMurry would defeat 'Saps.  Millsaps and AC just seemed closer than the score reflected.   :)  )
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 17, 2007, 09:27:58 PM
I think the 3-on-2 matchups Millsaps saw against their WR screens hurt AC.  AC just didn't have alignments against the screen all day. Millsaps didn't throw down field because they never had to. I think AC's game plan threw Millsaps off early, but once they adjusted, the true ability of the offense began to emerge.

I think one of the biggest differences in the game was poise and experience. Millsaps played a very balanced game, as the offense and defense complemented each other. When one seemed to struggle, the other came out and made the big plays to gain momentum. It was close at the half, but Millsaps came out and put the game away when they had to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2007, 09:30:34 PM
Big C, well-stated.

If AC is looking to go "Air Force" on us, then I think that there are plenty of smart, "too-short", "too-light", "too-slow" QBs in the state who will make the admissions office happy, while being good solid football players.

There are plenty of good lineman who will like the running game as well.  UMHB gets it done with the run.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2007, 10:14:41 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on September 17, 2007, 05:09:40 PM
Ron,
  Not sure that is a stretch considering MC has won the last two games against them. Why do I get the feeling we will be talking about the MC-Millsaps game the entire season? Hard to avoid when ranking the teams in region. I would agree that the ASC is as even as it has ever been excluding UMHB, Millsaps would be in that mix along with Trinity.

Hi Chris,

What I am saying is that I'm no longer penalizing Millsaps the team for what the Millsaps coaching staff did in the second half of that game.  My rankings are my best guess of who would beat who if teams met today and all things were equal.  I understand where people are coming from who say "X beat Y and that what the rankings should reflect" but Millsaps #1s put 20-3 on the board against MC's #1s in the first half - and that to me is the most accurate representation of the true relative strength of the two teams.  Like most others I wish we weren't put in this position but that's how I am going to handle it.  There are four other voters who don't see it that way, and that's fine too. 

A game between two teams indicates relative strength on that day.  As the season progresses I freely adjust my ratings to reflect more recent results.   MC's 2-0 at home - can they do as well once the travel starts?  We'll see, and if they continue to do well they'll move up. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2007, 10:15:17 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 17, 2007, 05:15:13 PM
Ron -

Who have you seen play this year?

Trinity (twice), ETBU, TLU, Millsaps and AC. 

And it was a pleasure meeting you on Saturday!  See you next month in Jackson!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 17, 2007, 10:33:39 PM
Frank - I appreciate the nod. I will say that there were some other Lynx from my year that used to post here (DanSwan, RL62), but Dan took the coaching job at Redlands working with QBs so I'm sure they don't want him talking about Rhodes, and 62 is now working with the Washington Redskins marketing department and is pulling hours that I could never dream of. So my only support has fallen off. Always trying to get more though. Everybody knows that I post and show support, just have to get some others.

I think that also comes from the lack of support that the school gives the team. Everybody knows (except maybe Trinity supporters) that football is not necessarily the highest priority for some d3 schools. One school in particular resides in memphis. I loved my college years, both on and off the field, but you can shoot me dead if any of my money goes to another part of the school other than football. The team doesn't get the support that they deserve, and so the die hard fans are hard to come by, especially after graduation. The alumni players support the team, but none on here, we do so in our own way (like having a Lynx Bar-b-que tent at the Memphis BBQ fest... that was ranked in the top 40 in wings in the south east too.  ;D)

I know this is a heavy subject for mid season, but it's true.

so how about that Millsaps Rhodes game this weekend? is the majors defense that tough? or did they play some weaker offenses? does rhodes qualify as a stronger offense? what about the majors offense against a strong rhodes D? what about the traveling factor and how the Lynx tend to struggle on the road? what about how in the last 8 years, it's been 4-4 with games being decided by 1 pt, 1 pts, 3 pts? and how rhodes doesn't really like Millsaps and they don't really like Rhodes?

did I change the subject enough?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 17, 2007, 11:37:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2007, 10:14:41 PM
Hi Chris,

What I am saying is that I'm no longer penalizing Millsaps the team for what the Millsaps coaching staff did in the second half of that game.  My rankings are my best guess of who would beat who if teams met today and all things were equal.  I understand where people are coming from who say "X beat Y and that what the rankings should reflect" but Millsaps #1s put 20-3 on the board against MC's #1s in the first half - and that to me is the most accurate representation of the true relative strength of the two teams.  Like most others I wish we weren't put in this position but that's how I am going to handle it.  There are four other voters who don't see it that way, and that's fine too. 

A game between two teams indicates relative strength on that day.  As the season progresses I freely adjust my ratings to reflect more recent results.   MC's 2-0 at home - can they do as well once the travel starts?  We'll see, and if they continue to do well they'll move up. 
Ron,
   I can understand that but just don't agree with it, but that's why we have these boards. You are certainly entitled to your opinion. MC has more talent than they have had in a long time and they will get a chance to prove it in two weeks against Hardin-Simmons if they don't look past a McMurry team certainly capable of beating them.

Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 17, 2007, 08:36:39 PM
Millsaps' J.V. defeated  Belhaven College's J.V. 41-28 this afternoon. The teams played four, twelve minutes quarters. It was a good showing for both squads.

Millsaps is working on two JV games with MC, and possibly working on a third with another school. Schedules are to be announced at a later date.
Happy to hear that. A good thing for both programs with the ever-increasing sizes of the rosters. It gives players buried on the depth chart a chance to earn some PT. Every year some of those players who show out on the JV team end up helping the varsity at the end of the year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2007, 11:47:29 PM
LaGrange plays both MissColl and LaCollege this year.

I can foresee Adam Shaffer developing thru the season.  He missed "all" of 2006, and the Millsaps game was his first action since the injury.

Juan Joseph had the chance to develop thru the rest of 2006.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2007, 12:56:09 AM
Request denied (unless you want to lose to Rhodes).   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 18, 2007, 01:12:10 AM
Quote from: Big C on September 18, 2007, 12:53:48 AM
One thing for sure, this may be just the thing that is needed to begin to turn this hyped up / media promoted rivalry into a real rivalry again. I think things will be a little more intense next year when these guys tee it up. Put yourself in the players shoes, Major or Choc --- this game was a buster and anybody worth his salt will want to get back out there sooner than later and get it on.

May be just what the doctor ordered for a rivalry that was dead and cold for some 40 years and has been trying to be reheated for the last 7 years.
We are in 100% agreement with that, all of the debate has to be great for the rivalry. I am sure players from both teams have plenty of reason to be ready for that game which should have the attention of many in the D3football.com community.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 18, 2007, 09:03:13 AM
Did Big C just break the record for the longest post ever?  I'll confess that I didn't make it through the entire post, an approach many of you probably take with my wordy entries.

I discovered last year that if a team loses 3 non-conference games and then goes undefeated in the SCAC, things will still work out fine when it really matters, namely at the end of the year.  Would MC have beaten Millsaps if it was a conference game?  Would MC have beaten Millsaps if the Millsaps roster had been limited to only 52 players?  Those are questions that everyone can answer on their own, but those questions will just become an interesting footnote to the season if Millsaps wins the SCAC. 

I've come to the conclusion that Millsaps being unranked at this point of the season is a good thing.  With some luck, maybe people will continue to focus on that MC loss as proof that Millsaps isn't so great and obviously their defense can't be that tough since they got torched for three 4th quarter TDs.  I know that sounds like spin, but there are those who believe that Millsaps was helped last year by the overconfidence of their opponents so maybe it will work again this year.

As for the JV game yesterday, I was impressed by the quality of some of the players for Millsaps.  It's hard to believe that none of these guys are in the top 52 that get to travel and I won't be surprised if a few of them find their way on the travelling squad by the end of the year.  They did play 5 12-minute periods and it was fairly even most of the way with Millsaps building a lead in the last couple of periods.  I doubt that winning the game was the top priority for either team.  Coach DuBose talked last year about "building a program" and the addition of a JV schedule will go a long way in accomplishing that goal.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 18, 2007, 09:13:55 AM
Not the longest post, it seems to have four in-bedded quotations.

As Big C gets more facile with the utilities of the message board, his posts will look more conventional.  :)

I am just glad to have a bevy on SCAC posters.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 18, 2007, 09:50:05 AM
I am very excited that Millsaps has built a JV team.  When I came into the program in '97 we had the largest class to date, but lost so many guys over the course of two years mostly due to lack of playing time.  Of course there were other reasons, but this is a huge step in the right direction of building a winning program.

As far as the Rhodes rivarly goes, I think it was a much more important game (as opposed to MC) in my years due to 1.) it was a conference game and 2.) we did not start playing MC again until my senior year.  We really never cared much for the boys from Memphis and it was traditionally a more competitive game for both squads, as opposed to the Trinity game.  Now, we always wanted to beat Trinity because they were always on top of the hill.  I seemed to get even more up for that game, but more so due to the fact I was from Texas and had a choice between both schools. 

I see the MC game continuing to return to its former luster over the course of the coming years, but as Frank alluded to in an earlier post, the conference rivarlies have more riding on them in the long run.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 18, 2007, 10:04:50 AM
Quote from: Big C on September 17, 2007, 07:59:47 PMI enjoyed it as well and have looked over the pictures. You did a great job.

I sent a couple of the proofs to my son along with a few of a couple of his good friends --- 77, 22, 44, 30 --- we may want to order a couple from you?

I wish I had thought to catch up with you after the game and introduce you to him and my family.

If you get over to a Millsaps game later this year, we will have to see that that happens.

Thanks again.

Big C--

If you're interested, you actually order them directly from this website.  Pictureprints.net helps process all the orders.  The proceeds from the sales go to help keep the site up, running and free, as well as to help Pat and Keith travel around the country and cover DIII games--like the HSU/Linfield game last weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2007, 11:00:27 AM
Big C:

There's ordering info at the bottom of the photo pages if you scroll down. Let us know via e-mail if you have any problems or questions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Gaunt on September 18, 2007, 01:58:35 PM
Quote from: DPU92 on September 17, 2007, 07:05:02 PM
Welcome to the board Gaunt! (its Mike Valentine)  Have not talked or seen you in a while hopefully you live close to Greencastle and can add insight to along with DPU3619 and DPULefty22.  All i do is read since i live in New Orleans.

Hey Mike,

Yea, I've been away finishing my education, and haven't really had the chance to follow the team over the last handful of years. But I'm back in the general central Indiana area until mid-late October.  I made it to the Anderson game, and hope to make it to the Trinity game as well.  My eyes, of course, gravitated to the linemen.  During the Anderson game the offensive line looked good, and, concordantly, the offense performed well, especially for the rumors in the stands / talking to Coach Nick about them being a young squad.  Two other things, aside from the outcome, that put a smile on my face: Jake Wissing appeared to be coaching the offensive line, and Coach Hreha was Coach Hreha (good to know some things never change).

That the team has put up 85 and allowed only 14 in the first two games makes me think that it is going to be a good year for them, but as others have said it is all cautious optimism at this point.  A few more games and a clearer picture will emerge.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 18, 2007, 02:16:19 PM
Well, it seems the AFCA poll is out.  Bridgewater says so, anyway.

http://www.bridgewater.edu/Sports/news/AFCApoll1.pdf

Trinity #15.  DePauw gets a vote, yet Centre, who DePauw took to the woodshed on Saturday, gets 21 votes.  Millsaps gets nothing, in a surprising turn of events.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 18, 2007, 02:40:13 PM
Centre at 1-2 get 21 votes and DePauw gets 1 vote after beating Centre 38-7 last week.  That's an interesting take on the first 3 weeks of the season.  I'm not sure that the Millsaps team needs any extra motivation, but being ranked behind 3 SCAC teams can't hurt in keeping the team focused and ready for the first home game of the season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2007, 02:58:14 PM
CENTRE got 21 votes??? WTF is up with that??!?! 

"AFCA:  where not only do most of our voters not know the teams they vote for, but they also ignore game results."

And of course eternally overrated Rowan is in the top 25 despite losing to 1-2 CNU and squeaking out a one-point win last week.   You already know where I stand on the Millsaps issue. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2007, 03:06:44 PM
Rowan is in our Top 25 as well. They're 1-1, it's not like they put Wilkes in the Top 25 or anything. Sheesh.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2007, 03:55:50 PM
Meh, Rowan always gets the benefit of the doubt.   Gets old after a while. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2007, 04:02:42 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2007, 03:55:50 PM
Meh, Rowan always gets the benefit of the doubt.   Gets old after a while. 

At No. 13, Rowan exceeded its pre-playoff ranking last season. (Lost in national quarterfinals after beating a higher-ranked team on the road)
At No. 14, Rowan exceeded its pre-playoff ranking in 2005. (Lost in national semifinals at Mount Union)
At No. 9, Rowan exceeded its pre-playoff ranking in 2004. (Lost in national semifinals at Linfield, though it was clearly the worst of the final four)

What gets old is people assuming the East sucks.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 18, 2007, 09:06:49 PM
The polls will work themselves out. If the teams just stay focused one week at a time and keep winning, everything will sort itself out in November.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2007, 09:24:00 PM
Have posted my own rant on this poll, which has a theory about Centre.

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/09/18/a-fairly-confounding-analysis
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 18, 2007, 10:24:54 PM
QuoteTrinity #15.  DePauw gets a vote, yet Centre, who DePauw took to the woodshed on Saturday, gets 21 votes.  Millsaps gets nothing, in a surprising turn of events. 

At the DI level coaches are notorius about lack of interst/knowledge in voting in the weekly polls...is this more pronounced at the DIII level in part because there is no TV to give voters even a fighting chance of checking out teams?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 18, 2007, 10:26:12 PM
By the way---as a witness to the DePauw-Centre game last weekend...it could  have been much, much worse...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 18, 2007, 10:41:36 PM
QuoteThe polls will work themselves out. If the teams just stay focused one week at a time and keep winning, everything will sort itself out in November. 

so true....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 19, 2007, 06:48:33 AM
Well, I am going for the doubleheader this Saturday ...

UMH-B Crusaders play TLU Bulldogs in Seguin with a kickoff of 1:00pm.  I will catch a ride with a friend whose son is a junior OL for the Cru.  Even if I didn't know any players, who would miss a chance to see the #2-ranked DIII team in the nation play only an hour from their home?! (Don't start the poll argument with me, please!)

Then, my lovely wife will pick me up on the way to San Antonio to see #15 Trinity play Colorado College with a 6:00pm kickoff ... "The Battle of the Tigers II" for 2007.  (Four of the ten teams Trinity plays this year are Tigers ... like Trinity!)  I understand these teams are knotted at 11-11 all time and this is TU's first SCAC game of 2007.  In order to win out, TU will have to take care of business EVERY week.  Colorado comes to Texas for their first SCAC road game and will, no doubt, be ready to show us what they've got.

Yes, I am READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!!
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2007, 02:14:48 PM
Congrats to the SCAC PoTWs:

SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week

JUAN JOSEPH OF MILLSAPS COLLEGE, a 6-2, 178-pound junior quarterback from Edgard, La., has been selected the SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 15.

Joseph set career-highs in completions and yards in a 43-10 rout of Austin College on Saturday, hooking up with 13 different receivers and connecting on 32 of 44 passes for 355 yards and three touchdowns. His pass efficiency rating for the day was 158.45.

Joseph's numbers have been phenomenal through just nine quarters of work in the first three games, hooking up with double-digit receivers in each contest and completing 81 of 122 passes (66 percent) for 870 yards, 10 touchdowns and just one interception.

He leads the SCAC in both passing yards (290.0 yards per game) and passing efficiency (151.7) and is third in total offense (280.7 yards per game).

SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week


DESMOND HENDRICKS OF RHODES COLLEGE
, a 6-2, 223-pound junior defensive end from Chattanooga, Tenn., has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 15.

Hendricks swarmed the Birmingham-Southern offense all day, making eight tackles - six for losses of 32 yards - as the Lynx pulled out the 10-7 victory.

Hendricks also had three quarterback sacks as Rhodes limited the Birmingham-Southern offense to 77 total yards.

For the season, Hendricks leads the SCAC with four quarterback sacks and is tied for the league lead in tackles for loss with 7.0.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 19, 2007, 04:28:41 PM
TigerDad,  that sounds like a great weekend.  Hope it is a good one for you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 19, 2007, 06:03:48 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 18, 2007, 09:24:00 PM
Have posted my own rant on this poll, which has a theory about Centre.

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/09/18/a-fairly-confounding-analysis

Wow, that's mind boggling. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 19, 2007, 06:06:50 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 19, 2007, 06:48:33 AM
Well, I am going for the doubleheader this Saturday ...

UMH-B Crusaders play TLU Bulldogs in Seguin with a kickoff of 1:00pm.  I will catch a ride with a friend whose son is a junior OL for the Cru.  Even if I didn't know any players, who would miss a chance to see the #2-ranked DIII team in the nation play only an hour from their home?! (Don't start the poll argument with me, please!)

Then, my lovely wife will pick me up on the way to San Antonio to see #15 Trinity play Colorado College with a 6:00pm kickoff ... "The Battle of the Tigers II" for 2007.  (Four of the ten teams Trinity plays this year are Tigers ... like Trinity!)  I understand these teams are knotted at 11-11 all time and this is TU's first SCAC game of 2007.  In order to win out, TU will have to take care of business EVERY week.  Colorado comes to Texas for their first SCAC road game and will, no doubt, be ready to show us what they've got.

Yes, I am READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL!!
;D

My son, his teammate and teammate's dad will be going to see some Tiger on Tiger violence this Saturday as well.  I've never seen a Trinity game or any D-III game for that matter. I'm looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 19, 2007, 11:38:16 PM
Interesting that the two PoW's for last week are the Millsaps Offense, and the Rhodes Defense. In my opinion the two strongest parts of each team. Just building up for a great game this weekend in Jackson.

I know some students are making the trip down, and some alumni as well. But I remember how they do it in Mississippi (and that was when they weren't close to the top), so I'm sure it'll be a great atmosphere.

I can't make it, and I'm not happy. But I'll be getting updates all day. I'm expecting a confusing situation where whoever cracks first, or doesn't show up from the start will lose. I'm thinking closer than the experts are saying.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 20, 2007, 10:46:31 AM
Quote from: Tex on September 19, 2007, 06:06:50 PM
My son, his teammate and teammate's dad will be going to see some Tiger on Tiger violence this Saturday as well.  I've never seen a Trinity game or any D-III game for that matter. I'm looking forward to it. 

Tex, check your e-mail ... I sent you some map & directions info about the Trinity game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 20, 2007, 11:42:21 AM
Quote from: HunterT on September 19, 2007, 11:38:16 PM
I know some students are making the trip down, and some alumni as well. But I remember how they do it in Mississippi (and that was when they weren't close to the top), so I'm sure it'll be a great atmosphere.

I'll say this, that setup they've got down there is just about the coolest thing you'll see in our conference.  It's pretty neat that they let the students in behind the endzone early to party, grill and the like.  Hunter may or may not recall that they're pretty good at heckling kickers in pregame.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2007, 12:04:35 PM
Congrats to the two SCAC student-athletes named to this week's D3football.com Team of the Week (http://www.d3football.com/tow/):

DL Desmond Hendricks, Jr., Rhodes
Hendricks made eight tackles (six solo), six tackles for a loss of 32 yards, and three sacks, as the Lynx limited the Birmingham-Southern offense to 77 total yards in a 10-7 win.

DB Jevon Pruitt, Sr., DePauw

Pruitt intercepted two passes for the second consecutive week, and broke up another pass in a 38-7 win over Centre. He also had four solo tackles.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 20, 2007, 02:03:34 PM
Interesting stat:  Rhodes oppenents have rushed 66 times for a total of 42 yards this season.

How will that translate against a Millsaps team happy to substitute short passes for the running offense?  Can the Millsaps line hold out Rhodes long enough for any of the longer pass routes to develop?  Will Rhodes make any major changes to account for the Major passing attack?

Another big question:  Many will think of this game as the Rhodes defensive strength vs. the Millsaps offense.  What about the flip side of the Rhodes offense against the Millsaps defense?  And speaking of the Millsaps defense, are they still getting overlooked because of those 142 points in 3 games to start the 2006 season?  Is it possible that the strongest defense on the field Saturday will be from the home side and not the visitors?

One more big question:  What difference will the playing surface make.  While Millsaps has won by 34 and 33 points on the road the last 2 weeks, will the offense be better on the artificial turf of Harper Davis field?  And in a related quesiton, will Millsaps be a more fired up team as they take the home field for the first time this season?

This game should tell a lot to the rest of the SCAC about both Rhodes and Millsaps.  It should be a great football game and I hope those within driving distance of Jackson will make the trip over for the excitement.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 20, 2007, 08:39:17 PM
Millsaps' JV will play Mississippi College's JV this coming Monday @ 4 at Harper Davis Field (Millsaps Campus).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2007, 11:11:50 PM
Let's take a quick look at this week's SCAC games ... comments are always welcome

Rhodes (2-0) @Millsaps (2-1, 1-0)     

Millsaps faces the best defense it has seen this year but Rhodes has been error-prone and was fortunate to defeat a B-SC team playing its first game in 50+ years last week.   Millsaps finally plays its first home game after impressive road performances the last two weeks.   Expect Juan Joseph to have another big game.

Millsaps 35 Rhodes 17       


Austin (1-2, 0-1) @Centre (1-2,0-1)   

Centre has been weaker than expected so far this year, even if AFCA voters gave them 21 points.  Still, an Austin team reeling from two consecutive defeats will have a tough go of it in Danville. 

Centre 22 Austin 20


DePauw (2-0,1-0) @Sewanee (0-2, 0-1)

DePauw, the early surprise in the SCAC, has outscored opponents 85-14.  Spud Dick and Jeremiah Marks account for close to 400 yards total offense per game while the defense has been dominating.

DePauw 38 Sewanee 14

Colorado Col. (2-0, 1-0) @Trinity (Tex.) (2-0)

The other surprise team in the SCAC comes to San Antonio for what could be the most entertaining battle of the day.   The CC Tigers, like DePauw, feature a strong 1-2 punch in QB Jon McDonald (228 yards passing per game with a QBR of 147.5) and RB Justin Alexander (121 yds rushing per game).  They are also one of the few D3 teams to feature a tight end (Nolan Swett, 91 yds/game).  Trinity will counter with its Black Flag defense which has allowed only 5.0 ppg and the passing of QB Blake Barmore (275 yds/game, QBR 150.2). 

Trinity 30 Colorado College 20
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 20, 2007, 11:30:36 PM
DPU3619 - They got me once when I was down there, and it was my fault. But I will say this, the pregame warm ups were the most fun. I'd aim for their barbeque pits.  ;)

frank_ezelle - I like the point about the short passes vs. the running game strategy. It will be interesting to see if that does play a part. As far as the stronger defense being on the home side, i'm not so sure. They might look stronger because of the lack of offense that Rhodes has put up, but it is the battle of a great defense in Rhodes vs a great offense in Millsaps, and a good defense in Millsaps vs a struggling offense in Rhodes.

Now I will say this, I know the Rhodes coaching staff will be pissed at last weeks performance, and they will have worked those boys hard this week in preparing for this game and making sure things get on track. Don't be surprised if they come out firing on all cylinders. But also don't be surprised if they drop 3 or 4 TOs in the game too.

Intangibles: Millsaps first home game, after winning the SCAC. The last time they played there was against Trinity, and I know the fans are foaming at the mouth to see some more football down there. I bet the Majors come out swinging and try to kill the game from the start. If the Rhodes defense holds early, it could take all the wind out of the Majors sails.

I agree with you frank, this game will tell a lot to the rest of the SCAC about these two teams.

and finally Ron, I hate to say it, but I think you're giving too much credit to a few teams in your predictions. For Example,
1) I don't think Millsaps will hang 35 on the Lynx, sorry. Won't happen. (And I am fully prepared to make a public apology if I'm wrong, I want everybody to know that).
2)Sewanee will not score 14 on Depauw, even if they are on a mountain in TN with nothing else to do.
3)Colorado will not go down to the heat of Texas and score 20 on the black flag. As much as it boils my blood to support Trinity, the defense won't let that stand at home. Especially not against a new SCAC team. They'll be out to set the tone for years to come.

In parting, It will be a great weekend for football, and I'm excited. Frank, or any majors fans, do you know if they game will have live stats or internet broadcast?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 21, 2007, 09:10:14 AM
New to the board and excited about DePauw this year. I think this team is certainly better than last year on offense, and has the chance to be better on defense.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 21, 2007, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: DePauwDad on September 21, 2007, 09:10:14 AM
New to the board and excited about DePauw this year. I think this team is certainly better than last year on offense, and has the chance to be better on defense.

Holy cow.  They're comin' out of the woodwork.

Welcome aboard, sir!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Gaunt on September 21, 2007, 11:51:47 AM
Yes, some more black and old gold on the board!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 21, 2007, 11:53:57 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 21, 2007, 11:11:17 AM
Quote from: DePauwDad on September 21, 2007, 09:10:14 AM
New to the board and excited about DePauw this year. I think this team is certainly better than last year on offense, and has the chance to be better on defense.

Holy cow.  They're comin' out of the woodwork.

Welcome aboard, sir!

I would like to see more new posters for Birmingham-Southern.  There is a lot of excitement about the renewed program, but it hasn't permeated cyberspace very well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 21, 2007, 12:18:54 PM
I have a question for oldmoose:

I know BSC has over 100 kids out for football.  It wasn't surprising to see that 70+ played against the MC JV since that was a blowout by the end of the first half.  I was surprised to see that BSU played over 70 players in the game against Rhodes.  BSC took a 7-0 lead in the 2nd quarter of that game and were close to winning their open game in the SCAC--the Rhodes touchdown came with 5:26 left in the game and the winning field goal came with 0:22 left.

Why was BSC playing so many players in the game?  Is the team that deep that they can play more than 70 without a drop off, or did the coach just want to play as many kids as possible.  As you probably know, this same type of scenario was a big topic here 3 weeks ago after Millsaps lost to MC (which is the reason I now notice the players participating list), but that was a pre-conference game and I was just curious about the reason behind BSC playing so many when they had a chance to win this conference opener.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 21, 2007, 12:52:24 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 21, 2007, 12:18:54 PM
I have a question for oldmoose:

I know BSC has over 100 kids out for football.  It wasn't surprising to see that 70+ played against the MC JV since that was a blowout by the end of the first half.  I was surprised to see that BSU played over 70 players in the game against Rhodes.  BSC took a 7-0 lead in the 2nd quarter of that game and were close to winning their open game in the SCAC--the Rhodes touchdown came with 5:26 left in the game and the winning field goal came with 0:22 left.

Why was BSC playing so many players in the game?  Is the team that deep that they can play more than 70 without a drop off, or did the coach just want to play as many kids as possible.  As you probably know, this same type of scenario was a big topic here 3 weeks ago after Millsaps lost to MC (which is the reason I now notice the players participating list), but that was a pre-conference game and I was just curious about the reason behind BSC playing so many when they had a chance to win this conference opener.

I don't know where you got that number.  The stats - http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/football/2007/fb02.htm - show 22 starters and 30 other participants.  Given that Rhodes held a significant advantage in no. of plays and time of poss., BSC played a lot of defensive guys.

BSC does have depth at most positions, but, with approx. 95 of 110 players being freshmen, there is little drop off in experience down the depth chart.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 12:58:14 PM
I think most people understand BSC as a first-year program is in a different situation than a team coming off a playoff season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 21, 2007, 01:09:58 PM
I got the number from the stats listed on the SCAC website--that shows the 22 starters and the 50+ others. 

And yes Pat, there is a difference between BSC and Millsaps.  I was afraid that someone would read my post and assume that it was tied to the discussion about Millsaps and MC.  The only tie is that now I do look at the participation numbers and these numbers struck me as odd since BSC had a very good chance to win their first ever SCAC game.  It is a different situation obviously, but wouldn't you have found the numbers strange even if Millsaps and MC had never played?

It appears that the answer is that the stats on the SCAC website are wrong and BSC didn't play 70+ people.  Thanks oldmoose for helping to clear that up. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2007, 01:29:40 PM
No, I wouldn't have found that strange for a team of 100-plus playing its first varsity game. It's not like BSC had a chance to look at any of these kids in a game situation in 2006, 2005 or any year before that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 21, 2007, 01:29:48 PM
The stats on the SCAC site include the starters in the participation report; the stats on BSC's site do not.  They both add up to 52 participants.  It will be interesting to see if Joey Jones digs a little deeper down his depth chart this week vs. LaGrange JV.  It would be a good chance to get the 2's and 3's some snaps and rest the 1's for the trip to Trinity next week.  Yikes!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
Welcome oldmoose -- tell your friends, have them tell more friends, students, you name it.  The SCAC doesn't tend to see a lot of chat so the more the merrier.

We're still waiting from anyone from Colorado College to show up, too.  I'm getting a little tired of being the "CC by proxy" rep.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 21, 2007, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
Welcome oldmoose -- tell your friends, have them tell more friends, students, you name it.  The SCAC doesn't tend to see a lot of chat so the more the merrier.

We're still waiting from anyone from Colorado College to show up, too.  I'm getting a little tired of being the "CC by proxy" rep.   :D

Colorado College is a little far-flung for a mostly Southeastern conference, though it's not that far from the Texas schools.  The last thing the SCAC needed, however, is more Tigers!  Traveling there will be a little expensive, especially since their games are BYOO - Bring your own oxygen!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 21, 2007, 05:00:06 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on September 21, 2007, 03:54:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2007, 03:39:58 PM
Welcome oldmoose -- tell your friends, have them tell more friends, students, you name it.  The SCAC doesn't tend to see a lot of chat so the more the merrier.

We're still waiting from anyone from Colorado College to show up, too.  I'm getting a little tired of being the "CC by proxy" rep.   :D

Colorado College is a little far-flung for a mostly Southeastern conference, though it's not that far from the Texas schools.  The last thing the SCAC needed, however, is more Tigers!  Traveling there will be a little expensive, especially since their games are BYOO - Bring your own oxygen!

+k Oldmoose,

I played against CC in 1969-1970 and it is a real factor in the games!  I wish we could have BYOO as players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: chrisallman on September 21, 2007, 05:08:26 PM
This is my first post and probably my last but I feel like I owe Around The South readers an apology for my last column. No one is forcing me to do this. It's just the right thing to do.

I don't apologize for my opinion but for my facts being incorrect. That was irresponsible and I was trying to write by memory instead of double-checking my facts. That's a cardinal sin in journalism and the readers deserve better. I sincerely apologize for that.

My style of writing is not for everyone (it's probably not for many). I'm not a hard news guy, I stopped doing that three or four years ago and I think that this site deserves something different. Last night, I let Pat know that I would no longer be writing Around The South. These guys are fantastic and great for Division III sports and the way I write was not beneficial for their site. I greatly appreciate them letting me play a part in the site for more than a year.

Most importantly, I just wanted to offer a personal apology for my facts being incorrect. I appreciate all the feedback - positive and negative.

Go Cru!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 22, 2007, 07:35:50 AM
Thanks Big C. I hope I can catch the game through that and not have to get the text message updates whenever somebody realizes I'm not there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 22, 2007, 01:17:09 PM
Word from atop the mountain is that Jeremiah Marks will NOT play today for DPU. I don't have specifics on the injury other than it's not expected to be something that keeps him out long-term. But he will not go today against Sewanee.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 02:09:29 PM
Hmm ... just tuned to the Millsaps radio and Burt Pereira is playing QB for the Majors, not Juan Joseph.  Will update if I hear what's up.

Update:  Rhodes and MC exchange punts, then Millsaps picks off a Rhodes pass on the Lynx' second series, one play later the Majors take a 7-0 lead.  About 9 minutes left in the first quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 02:24:53 PM
Rhodes turns the ball over in the red zone again, this time it takes three plays before Periera runs it in from three yards out.  14-0 Millsaps with under five to play in the first. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 02:28:30 PM
Yet another Rhodes turnover (this time an INT) is returned by Marcus Harris for a Millsaps TD.   21-0 with 3:31 still to play in the first quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 02:44:02 PM
DePauw misses a field goal from the Sewanee 18 at 6:59 in the 1st,  score is 0-0.   DePauw offense is moving ball but not able to get it in once they get in the red zone.  Sewanee just ripped off a long pass play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 02:54:46 PM
DePauw 7, Sewanee 0 at the start of the start of second after a decent long drive finished with a Ford touchdown.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 22, 2007, 02:56:42 PM
Not sure if I missed something, but that drive was all Dorrius Ford.  No Marks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 02:59:05 PM
'3619, DPULefty22 said Marks was out with a minor injury today.

Rhodes manages to put up a goal-line stand on Millsaps, stopping them on fourth down from the 1-foot line.  It's about the first good thing the Lynx have done all day.  Still 21-0 and I don't think Rhodes has gotten a first down today.  The Majors are getting all kinds of penetration and causing chaos in the backfield.  Time running down in the first half, 2:25 and running. 

Lousy punt returned to the Rhodes 29 but holding on the return pushes it back to midfield, Majors have 1:23 to try and put another one on the board. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 22, 2007, 03:01:15 PM
Thanks, Ron.  I guess actually reading the board would be a start.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 03:14:58 PM
With 6:58 left in third quarter in Danville, Austin College leads Centre 14-7.  The 'Roos scored on their opening possession of the second half.  QB Andy Braly was injured and was replaced by Kent Bell who scored on a 33-yard run.    Wow - AC's broadcast crew does a very professional job.

To be fair to Rhodes (now at half there), the Lynx defense isn't playing badly, just had a short field to defend on the two scores they allowed.  The offense is just struggling and turning the ball over a lot. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 03:16:51 PM
7 Sewanee, 7 DePauw at 5:40 in 2nd.  Big play was a run by one of the platooning Sewanee QBs.

Marks is not playing today.  No word as to why.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 03:20:32 PM
Centre marches right down the field, mostly running plays, to tie the score at 14 with 4:40 left in the third. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 03:32:03 PM
Sewanee and DePauw tied at 7 at the half.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 03:35:05 PM
On the first play of the fourth quarter Brian Hodge scores from two yards out to put Centre up 21-14.  Kent Bell fumbled and Centre recovered at the AC 34 to begin the possession. 

Braly is back in at QB for AC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 03:45:00 PM
Guy Smith scores on a post pattern, 31 yards from Periera to put the Majors up 28-0 early in the third. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 22, 2007, 03:47:32 PM
Millsaps scored again....35-0 over Rhodes with a little over 8 minutes to play in the 3rd quarter.  All Majors today, folks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 04:00:54 PM
AC drives from their 4 to inside the Centre 20 but two penalties hurt.  One negates a first and goal, the other makes a third-and-four into a third-and-nine and the 'Roos can't convert a fourth down.  With 1:14 left it looks like Centre is going to win it 21-14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 04:05:36 PM
DePauw misses long field goal at 7:12 in 3rd.  They didn't help their cause with a delay of game penalty on their first attempt at the field goal.  Lots of defense otherwise.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 04:06:23 PM
Millsaps 42-0 after three.

Millsaps announcers just said "you don't know when Juan will be back" - and apparently the injury is a bruised something or other. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 22, 2007, 04:10:10 PM
Ron,

Did you hear any word on Joseph?  I have not been able to tune into the game until now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 04:15:09 PM
Sewanee gets a big stop on 4th down as the 3rd quarter is winding down, score stil tied at 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 04:15:57 PM
Quote from: exmajor on September 22, 2007, 04:10:10 PM
Ron,

Did you hear any word on Joseph?  I have not been able to tune into the game until now.

Just a very brief reference saying "you don't know when Juan will be back" and that the injury's a bruise. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 04:24:24 PM
Sewanee 10, DePauw 7 early in the 4th with a Gould field goal after a long drive after getting the ball back on the 4th down stop at the end of the 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 22, 2007, 04:30:05 PM
Final from Jackson, Millsaps 42 - Rhodes 0.

I know Pat does not like the announcers for Millsaps, I have to laugh at those guys, tough to listen to!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 04:32:41 PM
DePauw 14, Sewanee 10 on the touchdown by Ford.     DePauw doing well on the quick out to the side line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 04:34:44 PM
Hey, there's live video from Sewanee - nice. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 04:42:04 PM
That's where I've bene getting my updates.   It's crunch time for us now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 04:46:58 PM
Nice play by the DePauw defense to cause a loss on 3rd down.   4th and 3 for Sewanee with 0:56 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 04:48:24 PM
Incomplete pass on the swing pass on 4th down.   DePauw ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 22, 2007, 04:49:39 PM
Final from the Mountain: DePauw 14, Sewanee 10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 22, 2007, 05:22:16 PM
Good golly.  Turns out that #31 kid is kinda valuable.  Better take that win and run. 

Never know about the mountain, do ya?  It's got some kind of magical powers or something.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 07:04:53 PM
Underway in San Antonio ... Trinity intercepts a third-down Colorado College pass, return to the 10, first play from scrimmage Barmore finds Riley Curry on a fade for six.  Trinity leads 7-0 with one minute gone in the game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2007, 07:14:13 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 22, 2007, 06:11:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 04:15:57 PM
Quote from: exmajor on September 22, 2007, 04:10:10 PM
Ron,

Did you hear any word on Joseph?  I have not been able to tune into the game until now.

Just a very brief reference saying "you don't know when Juan will be back" and that the injury's a bruise. 

Rom -

Juan has a nagging thigh contusion. He could have played today but the staff decided to rest him. I just spoke to him at the post game party over at the Cabot and he said he would definitely be on the field next week at Depaux..

Bert P brings is a very strong back-up for Juan and would be a fine starter if he wasn'y behind Juan.

I understand that Bert really didn't take alot f extra snaps this week and only was given a heads up he may start at the walk through yesterday.

In regard to the game --- the defense was relentless and the offense held it's own.

Looking forward to the trip up to Indiana next week. Will be a key game.

Down here in Jackson, things are pretty good for now.

The team seems very focused and business like which is what it will take to be prepared for Depaux.

FYI

Big C
Thanks for the report on Juan...

It is good to have a capable back-up QB.

No offense Big C, but DePaux is faux!   ;D :D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 07:18:29 PM
Colorado College comes right back, drives about 60 yards but have to settle for a 28-yd field goal.  7-3, 9:02 left in first.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2007, 07:14:13 PM
No offense Big C, but DePaux is faux!   ;D :D ;D

Sorry, Ralph, but from what I have seen in the ASC this year DePauw would be competitive with anyone not named Mary Hardin-Baylor. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 07:27:30 PM
Trinity has two great plays (including a TD) called back with holding penalties, then Barmore throws two passes that easily could have been intercepted so the home team settles for a 32-yard Liscali field goal.   10-3 TU with 4:58 left in the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2007, 07:49:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 07:20:44 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2007, 07:14:13 PM
No offense Big C, but DePaux is faux!   ;D :D ;D

Sorry, Ralph, but from what I have seen in the ASC this year DePauw would be competitive with anyone not named Mary Hardin-Baylor. 
I was actually talking about the spelling of "DePaux", unless I am missing an inside joke!   :)

As for the competitiveness of the ASC, it is looking interesting.  I agree that the SCAC and the ASC are very competitive.  The 9-game ASC schedule and AC's leaving the ASC have permitted more inter-conference play this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 07:53:47 PM
Colorado has another nice drive, converting a fourth-and-ten at the 33.  They reach the Trinity 8 before the TU defense pushes them back to the 15.  Max Green hits a 32-yard FG to bring Colorado to within 10-6 with 10:21 left in the first half. 

CC runs an interesting offense, basically a no-huddle with three and four-wide sets (but then get their play from the sidelines).  Lots of misdirection and it's giving the TU defense fits so far.  Colorado has already gained 138 yards to Trinity's 85.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 08:03:21 PM
Trinity responds with a 13-play, 65 yard drive capped by a 14-yard pass from Barmore to Caleb Urban.  It's 17-6 Trinity with 5:09 left in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 08:25:52 PM
CC has a third and two at the Trinity 19 but a huge sack by Dylan Nealous pushes Colorado out of field goal range and they can't convert on fourth down.  Starting at their own 33 with 1:15 left, Barmore leads the team on a eight play, 67 yard drive and with five seconds left finds a wide open Shawn Thompson on a slant for 23 yards to put Trinity up 24-6 at the half. 

Thompson has been open all day (you have to love web video) and at the half has seven catches for 85 yards.  Matt Morefield has had a little running room with 46 yards rushing.  Colorado College is led by Ross Alisiani's 40 yards on five receptions, and QB Jon McDonald has 46 yards on 12 rushes despite being sacked twice.  McDonald is 13-22 for 79 yards with one interception; Barmore after a slow first quarter is 14-23 for 159 yards and three touchdowns.

And now I have to take my lovely wife to dinner so someone else will have to do the updates.  The live video is available from the TU football page (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/) (click on "Video").   You'll get to hear historymajor on color commentary, too.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2007, 09:25:06 PM
Anyone else have trouble with this video? It never gets beyond the negotiating stage on Quick Time for me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 22, 2007, 09:42:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2007, 09:25:06 PM
Anyone else have trouble with this video? It never gets beyond the negotiating stage on Quick Time for me.

I didn't have any problems with it at the start of the second half.  It was kinda jumpy and it would lock up from time to time, but I figured that was par for the D-III video feed course.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 22, 2007, 09:59:49 PM
ok consider this my public eating of my own words. I am actually trying to remove my foot from my mouth first, so that I can eat my own words.

Some other interesting words I heard from the game today were: "miserable", "pathetic", "embarassing."

not really sure what happened, haven't looked at the stats yet. I know Oliver threw at least 4 picks and the offense was basically non existent. Which is what i kinda expected. Our offense might as well have just given them the ball. Put a Majors running back in our backfield and hand it off to them. Ok I can't do this anymore. I need an adult beverage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 22, 2007, 10:45:42 PM

Who is Trinity receiver Shawn Thompson?  Is he a transfer?  I don't remember his name from last year.  Is he benefitting from double teams on Riley Curry because I don't see that Curry's doing as much as I would have expected. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2007, 10:56:48 PM
Listed as a junior from New Braunfels Canyon HS, '98.  He had seven catches (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/Statistics/2006/plyr0075.htm) last year.

BTW the final was 38-13 as the Black Flag dominated late.  CC QB Jon McDonald ended up with four yards net passing in the second half. 

Not worth a separate post but this quote from Texas Lutheran head coach Dennis Parker (from a SA Express news game preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/football/stories/MYSA092207AreaAdvance.EN.3774a27.html)) is of interest:

"Their kids all play hard, they go hard to the ball," Parker said. "I think their coaches do an outstanding job with them. They don't have a great deal of talent.  They're not overly blessed. But they play hard and they are very disciplined."

May be a good thing TLU will not play Trinity again this year.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 22, 2007, 11:48:10 PM
Maybe there's a SCAC version of the "purple crush" defense lerking. I mean, it'd be easy to get overlooked in a league with so many dominate defenses. Just a thought.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2007, 05:38:03 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 22, 2007, 11:48:10 PM
Maybe there's a SCAC version of the "purple crush" defense lerking. I mean, it'd be easy to get overlooked in a league with so many dominate defenses. Just a thought.

I think you might have about 3 choices there.  Despite the result, Rhodes still has a good defense.  As Hunter said, they had their backs against the wall for a good portion of that one.  The Black Flag seems to be playing as well as ever, and DePauw's letting up 8 a game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gatigermom on September 23, 2007, 09:58:11 AM
DePauw may have won on the Mountain yesterday but they had to come from behind.  It was a really hard played game.  YSR.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 23, 2007, 10:29:09 AM
gatigermom,

The DePauw/Sewanee game was a tough match. The two front lines included some tough customers on both sides of the ball. DePauw was in the red zone at leat three additional times but came up empty. Kudos to the Purple Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 23, 2007, 01:05:44 PM
I had an enjoyable night watching Trinity/CC.  I came away with some very favorable impressions on the quality of football being played.  CC is a good team that is a few mistakes away from being a very very good team.  Their running back was awesome.  Their QB wasn't afraid to put his head down and mow guys over. 

Trinity's field is nicely placed near the dorms and it showed.  A minute prior to kickoff, the students decended upon the place.  Great atmosphere, beautiful setting.  The stands are modest, but were full.  I did manage to catch a contact high off the alcohol fumes from some of the kids behind me, but hey, they're walking and not driving.  What do I care.  They were enthusiastic and fun to be around.  I got to talk with grandpas, moms and dads of the players.  It was like a big high school game in terms of how much family was there.  The talent level was high in competition.  Lots of great athletes out there. 

Fun time had by all.  Long day for the two athletes I had in my truck.  They'd played the night before, had morning practice and workouts, then headed over for a 3 hour drive, meet and greet with the coaches at 3pm, walk around campus for a couple of hours, etc.,.  Long day for sure. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2007, 10:13:39 PM
Birmingham Southern defeated the LaGrange JV (http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/football/2007/fb03.htm) today, 37-7. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 23, 2007, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 23, 2007, 07:43:07 PM
Thoughts on next Saturday?

What's the weather forecast for Greencastle, Indiana???

As to the weather, it hasn't rained in Indiana for three months. I predict hot and dry. As to the game, I hope for a tough, low-scoring affair. A field goal wins it. If it goes above 40 points combined, Milsaps may have the edge. If the over/under is less than 20, it's anybody's ball game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2007, 11:20:03 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 23, 2007, 07:43:07 PM
Thoughts on next Saturday?

What's the weather forecast for Greencastle, Indiana???

Better than the forecast for the field conditions. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2007, 11:20:25 PM
If the Millsaps-DPU 'over-under is less than 20' (you mean total points scored, right?) I will not post for a week. 

I see Millsaps finally got 2 votes in this week's poll.  Kudos to a voter or two for actually being able to consider the whole season rather than focusing on a one point loss in week one. 

Meanwhile, 1-2 Hardin-Simmons is still ranked 21st after a 41-34 home victory that came down to the last play, a batted down pass in the Cowboy end zone.  Some of you may remember that Millsaps skunked the same team, Louisiana College, by a 44-10 margin at their place back in week two.    Pay attention, voters.   

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 23, 2007, 11:42:55 PM
The HSU faithful were yelling that Coach Keeling left the 2nd and 3rd teamers in the game too long, and the HSU DB's are not "plug-and-play" as they used to be.

The Millsaps-LaCollege game was a 2nd game/1st game situation.  I will give LC some slack on that one.

I think that a win over DPU gets Millsaps the attention that they need.  I do believe that we have settled into the 40 teams (specifically 46 teams) to watch.  Millsaps should be able to float up thru the rankings as the teams above them start to lose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 24, 2007, 12:16:56 AM
I have to support the Majors on this issue. They are a good team, and will continue to win ballgames all year long, especially if they momentum from this past saturday carries over to Indiana.

A win against a strong mid-season Depauw team out ranks a beginning of the season 1 point loss to your rival.

Rhodes completes is 3 game road trip this week in St Louis against a Wash U team that is always a tough game. The last time Rhodes won in St Louis was in 2001 when we had a tight end set a national record for the most PAT/FG blocks in a game and we won by 1. I didn't make that trip but remember sitting at home listening to it on the radio. Since 1999 the Lynx have gone 3-5 against Wash U, with most games being decided by no more than 7 pts. However, if the offense doesn't shake something up (maybe a new starting QB),  then it's going to be a long drive back home Saturday night.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 12:21:12 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2007, 11:20:25 PM
If the Millsaps-DPU 'over-under is less than 20' (you mean total points scored, right?) I will not post for a week. 

I see Millsaps finally got 2 votes in this week's poll.  Kudos to a voter or two for actually being able to consider the whole season rather than focusing on a one point loss in week one. 

Meanwhile, 1-2 Hardin-Simmons is still ranked 21st after a 41-34 home victory that came down to the last play, a batted down pass in the Cowboy end zone.  Some of you may remember that Millsaps skunked the same team, Louisiana College, by a 44-10 margin at their place back in week two.    Pay attention, voters.   

Week 1 wasn't so long ago. It's not like it's November.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2007, 01:02:31 AM
Is it going to take well-supported programs at Millsaps and BSC for South Region D-III football finally to take off?

I really don't think that Emory will resume football, but I wonder about a trickle down effect to see programs resume at Hendrix and Southwestern, as well as more players lining up at Huntingdon, LaGrange and maybe even a new program at Piedmont.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 24, 2007, 07:39:22 AM
Curiously Ralph,

if programs were to revive them selves at Hendrix, Southwestern and other existing SCAC schools (I guess that's really only Oglethorpe), any input about how the conference system would work? could we have a "SCAC Championship Game" with an East winner and a West winner?

might be more of a post-season conversation, but since its coming up now i figured I'd ask.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2007, 08:09:14 AM
Quote from: HunterT on September 24, 2007, 07:39:22 AM
Curiously Ralph,

if programs were to revive them selves at Hendrix, Southwestern and other existing SCAC schools (I guess that's really only Oglethorpe), any input about how the conference system would work? could we have a "SCAC Championship Game" with an East winner and a West winner?

might be more of a post-season conversation, but since its coming up now i figured I'd ask.
Hunter, I don't know how the Conference would handle that.  The Presidents would have to see the value in that arrangement.

I will defer to posters who are more closely connected to SCAC "higher-ups".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 24, 2007, 08:43:20 AM
QuoteWhat's the weather forecast for Greencastle, Indiana???

Looking good...sunny and 75.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 24, 2007, 09:46:06 AM
I think I am ok that Millsaps is not ranked right now in the poll, I would much rather stay under the radar and also have highly motivated student-atheletes playing hard week in and week out because nothing is given to them.  This weekend's game in Greencastle looks to be the toughest test yet for both teams.  A Millsaps win is a must for postseason's hopes, espcially the way Trinity is looking this year! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 09:51:20 AM
With re more teams playing FB in the conference ... the SCAC has said they want to be a 12 team league.  They're there.  I can't really see the conference too excited about anyone else adding football, but hey.  One more school would probably work out OK (if not optimally), but more than that will present major problems.

Ralph (re giving HSU the benefit of the doubt re 1st/2nd string):  if so, the same benefits should apply to the Millsaps/MC game, yes?  Can't have it both ways. 

Pat (re it was only three weeks ago):  I have no problem with that, but it seems that Millsaps is being held to a higher standard than other teams which have losses (to inferior opponents or by greater amounts) during the same timeframe.  Recent results are supposed to count for more and Millsaps has three dominant wins since a questionable (on more than one count) defeat.  Last year's Millsaps team struggled on the road; this year's team has not, and when you can win 42-0 behind your 2nd team QB it's impressive no matter who you're playing. 

In any case a big game this weekend for both Millsaps and DePauw and the result should put the winner on the national map. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2007, 10:10:22 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 09:51:20 AM
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Ralph (re giving HSU the benefit of the doubt re 1st/2nd string):  if so, the same benefits should apply to the Millsaps/MC game, yes?  Can't have it both ways. 
...
In any case a big game this weekend for both Millsaps and DePauw and the result should put the winner on the national map. 
Good morning, Ron.

I don't doubt that the "northside Baptists"  (HSU for those who are unfamiliar with Abilene geography) are getting a little love in their 1-2 record for their scheduling current #6 and a strong Linfield (#12)  team (a long road trip).

I can see HSU being the only 3-loss team in the Top 25 if their losses were to 3 Top 10 teams by the end of the year.

Millsaps and DePauw is one of the really good match-ups this weekend.

Travel safely, all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 10:12:04 AM
I think Millsaps is being held to a different standard because of the way they lost in Week 1, not necessarily that they lost in Week 1 altogether.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on September 24, 2007, 10:18:50 AM
Ron, I agree with your comments about Millsaps and the top 25, especially considering what Mississippi College has done since the first week and the dominant nature of the Millsaps wins.  I know none of the wins by either have been against the very best, but to a great extent that applies to Trinity too.

If Trinity is 14th (I think) this week then Millsaps with only 2 votes seems really unrealistic. I know all the real tests for Millsaps, Trinity and Miss. College are coming up but 2 votes is not much love for a defending conference champion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 10:42:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 10:12:04 AM
I think Millsaps is being held to a different standard because of the way they lost in Week 1, not necessarily that they lost in Week 1 altogether.

And that, to me, is the crux of the problem.  Rankings should represent the strength of a team and who would beat who if teams meet, rather than be used as a mechanism to express disgust at arguably poor coaching strategies. 

Thank goodness we have a playoff system  ;D and thanks for providing not only a poll but a place for us to discuss it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 10:42:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 10:12:04 AM
I think Millsaps is being held to a different standard because of the way they lost in Week 1, not necessarily that they lost in Week 1 altogether.

And that, to me, is the crux of the problem.  Rankings should represent the strength of a team and who would beat who if teams meet, rather than be used as a mechanism to express disgust at arguably poor coaching strategies. 

Thank goodness we have a playoff system  ;D and thanks for providing not only a poll but a place for us to discuss it. 

Unfortunately, "who would beat if teams meet" is dependent on the coaching strategy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 10:42:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 10:12:04 AM
I think Millsaps is being held to a different standard because of the way they lost in Week 1, not necessarily that they lost in Week 1 altogether.

And that, to me, is the crux of the problem.  Rankings should represent the strength of a team and who would beat who if teams meet, rather than be used as a mechanism to express disgust at arguably poor coaching strategies. 

Thank goodness we have a playoff system  ;D and thanks for providing not only a poll but a place for us to discuss it. 

Unfortunately, "who would beat if teams meet" is dependent on the coaching strategy.

Asserting that the strategy would be the same today as it was in Week 1 is ludicrous; all one has to do is look at recent results.   

Obviously neither of us is going to budge on this so I'll drop it - at least until next week.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2007, 01:58:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 11:32:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 11:11:33 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 10:42:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 10:12:04 AM
I think Millsaps is being held to a different standard because of the way they lost in Week 1, not necessarily that they lost in Week 1 altogether.

And that, to me, is the crux of the problem.  Rankings should represent the strength of a team and who would beat who if teams meet, rather than be used as a mechanism to express disgust at arguably poor coaching strategies. 

Thank goodness we have a playoff system  ;D and thanks for providing not only a poll but a place for us to discuss it. 

Unfortunately, "who would beat if teams meet" is dependent on the coaching strategy.

Asserting that the strategy would be the same today as it was in Week 1 is ludicrous; all one has to do is look at recent results.   

Obviously neither of us is going to budge on this so I'll drop it - at least until next week.   

Quote from: Big C on September 24, 2007, 01:51:51 PM
...

The old Stephen Covey approach of, "Seeking to understand first, then to be understood" might be a good creed for us guys to consider.
...
They did!   ;)

It is certainly fun to have the SCAC as something other than Trinity and the dwarves!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on September 24, 2007, 02:04:10 PM
I had heard about hendrix thinking about football but not SW, any updates on their status. As for emory, they would  have a great program if they put some $ into it but you'll probably see pepsi machines on their campus before varisty football players. I would think the Scac would want either 9 football programs or 12, so they could have a champ game but would frown any numbers in between.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 02:12:22 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 24, 2007, 01:51:51 PM
I guess in the D3 Blog world, if you believe,(or don't believe it), then it must be true.

Well, until there's a close game with evidence to sway me in the other direction, that's where my personal vote lies. Can't say why the other 24 voters vote the way they do, but  I find it an interesting referendum that none of the eight coaches on the panel voted for Millsaps.

Listen, we also know that Millsaps is at DePauw this weekend. DePauw hasn't played a Hardin-Simmons-level schedule to open the season by any stretch but is 3-0. If Millsaps can do well on that trip that will surely turn some votes around. But Mississippi College isn't getting a ton of votes either, so that's providing a bit of a ceiling right now for Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 24, 2007, 02:48:44 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2007, 10:13:39 PM
Birmingham Southern defeated the LaGrange JV (http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/football/2007/fb03.htm) today, 37-7. 

The Panthers are 2-0 against JV teams! Not bad for a team that is 87% freshmen and has only existed for 43 days.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 03:06:38 PM
http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=General&id=6
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: cush on September 24, 2007, 02:04:10 PM
I had heard about hendrix thinking about football but not SW, any updates on their status. As for emory, they would  have a great program if they put some $ into it but you'll probably see pepsi machines on their campus before varisty football players. I would think the Scac would want either 9 football programs or 12, so they could have a champ game but would frown any numbers in between.

From what I have heard over the years there will not be any interest in FB at Southwestern until either a new administration comes in that really wants it or alumnus BJ "Red" McCombs donates millions to create a program (and he could; was named to the Forbes 400 last week). 

Oglethorpe is unlikely to start football due to the high cost of running a SCAC program.   They are also by far the school with the smallest endowment in the conference.

There don't seem to be any updates at the Hendrix web site since the initial announcement that a study would take place (http://www.hendrix.edu/eventsnews/eventsnews.aspx?id=10644).    However, sentiment on-campus seems against it propelled by opinions such as the following, found on a blog at the site:



"The way I see it, any person in their right mind would say "no" to an increase in rape, so we should say "no" to bringing football to Hendrix."



Emory, of course, is in a whole different orbit and I have my doubts that the other SCAC members would really want to play in the pond with them. 

The D3/D4 split that is coming around the bend could also have major implications for the SCAC.  If I remember from the studies Ralph Turner pointed us to, the SCAC is a "mixed" conference unlike most others that were predominately D3 or D4. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 24, 2007, 04:39:41 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 03:46:28 PM
Quote from: cush on September 24, 2007, 02:04:10 PM


"The way I see it, any person in their right mind would say "no" to an increase in rape, so we should say "no" to bringing football to Hendrix."





"A school without football is in danger of deteriorating into a medieval study hall."

Frank Leahy / Notre Dame


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 24, 2007, 05:14:17 PM
Oldmoose

i noticed u said that bsc was 2-0 against jv's... is this jv vs others jv or is it thier varsity (made up of course of ~87% freshmen) against others jv ?

just curious, when Huntington JV played Lagrange JV  the coaches for Huntingdon (possibly Lagrange also ... i just wasn't paying attention to them as closely) pulled a 'Dubose' ( a new term added to the football lexicon indicating a coach who plays all players in a seemingly important game, in an attempt to evaluate his players, and apparently without regard to the outcome of the game)  ;D

although winning was important... they had played all the kids even  prior to taking the lead...and continued to do so... more like a practice in order to evaluate the kids. Huntingdon won, but  each players performance was more important... in oher words they applied   a 'Dubose'
and of course there were several frehmen ( who r 2nd to 3rd team varsity) which didn't suit up

anyway... good luck rest of the season...and keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2007, 05:14:43 PM
Oldmoose,

Yeah, but let's not curse either Cush or I with that quote from some poor little thing at Hendrix.  I am certain neither of us agree with that opinion. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 24, 2007, 05:23:25 PM
Quote from: AF4 on September 24, 2007, 05:14:17 PM
Oldmoose

i noticed u said that bsc was 2-0 against jv's... is this jv vs others jv or is it thier varsity (made up of course of ~87% freshmen) against others jv ?

just curious, when Huntington JV played Lagrange JV  the coaches for Huntingdon (possibly Lagrange also ... i just wasn't paying attention to them as closely) pulled a 'Dubose' ( a new term added to the football lexicon indicating a coach who plays all players in a seemingly important game, in an attempt to evaluate his players, and apparently without regard to the outcome of the game)  ;D

although winning was important... they had played all the kids even  prior to taking the lead...and continued to do so... more like a practice in order to evaluate the kids. Huntingdon won, but  each players performance was more important... in oher words they applied   a 'Dubose'
and of course there were several frehmen ( who r 2nd to 3rd team varsity) which didn't suit up

anyway... good luck rest of the season...and keep the faith

It's BSC's varsity.  With the varsity being 87% freshman, there is no need for a JV yet.  (I wonder when that will happen.)  Thanks for the well wishes.  We will need a lot of luck and faith at Trinity on Saturday!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 24, 2007, 05:44:11 PM
Oldmoose

thanks ...yall will do well, b'ham is rich recruiting ground... several of our senior/junior players r from oak mtn, hoover, shades valley, etc

this yrs recruiting class had very few b'ham kids and was more florida, lower alabama, and UCLA (as u no upper corner of lower alabama- lee chambers russell tallapoosa montgomery lowndes autauga counties)

good luck this yr... i pull for all  the bama teams (along with UGA, Va Tech, and Texas A&M).... Jones is a fine coach

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 24, 2007, 08:49:52 PM
With all this talk about SCAC expansion, I'm curious why Huntingdon hasn't been brought up more. Of all the schools that I know of, they seemed to want into the SCAC and definately made a case for it in the past few seasons.

Side note: Millsaps' JV beat Mississippi College's JV 21-0 . I wasn't there, but that's what was reported to me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on September 24, 2007, 09:01:28 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 24, 2007, 08:49:52 PM

Side note: Millsaps' JV beat Mississippi College's JV 21-0 . I wasn't there, but that's what was reported to me.


Millsaps JV requited themselves agains the MS College JV (instead of the MC 1st string  :D) 17 - 0. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 09:03:22 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 24, 2007, 08:49:52 PM
With all this talk about SCAC expansion, I'm curious why Huntingdon hasn't been brought up more. Of all the schools that I know of, they seemed to want into the SCAC and definately made a case for it in the past few seasons.

Such decisions are made on the institutional level and they rarely involve solely football, especially for a conference that already has an automatic bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 24, 2007, 09:12:05 PM
I read some comments a page back about Milsaps being held to a higher standard...  I'm not that concerned about how they lost that game.  Seems an odd way to coach, but hey, maybe the reason they're being held to a high standard is that they won the conference last year?  And, to a lesser degree, because they have a "big name" coach? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 24, 2007, 10:11:49 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 24, 2007, 09:12:05 PM
I read some comments a page back about Milsaps being held to a higher standard...  I'm not that concerned about how they lost that game.  Seems an odd way to coach, but hey, maybe the reason they're being held to a high standard is that they won the conference last year?  And, to a lesser degree, because they have a "big name" coach? 

I don't necessarily think I hold them to a higher standard. I think I'll be holding them to a different standard.  Ron said higher standard.  Pat said different standard and I agree with that term. When you're talking about how you're going to rank the one loss teams (and probably Hardin-Simmons) nationally, I'm of the opinion that more credit should go to some other team that actually cared enough about the game to leave their starters in, as opposed to the team that sat down their entire (great) first string for the second half and crossed their fingers it was still good enough. 

Maybe that's the wrong way to look at the situation.  And I suppose it could be.  Guess I'm not exactly sure what the right answer is.  I bet a lot of Millsaps fans on this board don't agree with it, though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 24, 2007, 10:51:33 PM
Pat: Forgive my solely football minded ways. With a little help, I understand what you're saying.

DPU: Again, why does everyone assume that Millsaps crossed its' fingers? Can a team not have faith in its' depth?

I think Millsaps and its' fans are worried about Depauw, then the rest of the SCAC. Rankings and polls don't really matter at this point. If you continue to win, then things will work themselves out. (And I'm sure that automatic bid is a real big driving force.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 24, 2007, 11:37:33 PM
I would guess the only team truly comfortable with its depth would be Mount Union.

Their 2nd string is arguably a top 5-10 team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2007, 12:17:06 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 24, 2007, 10:51:33 PM
DPU: Again, why does everyone assume that Millsaps crossed its' fingers? Can a team not have faith in its' depth?

Sure you can.  That's fine.  But doing so and then promptly losing a rivalry game is a grave, grave error.  One that I personally feel shouldn't ever be made by ANY coach, let alone one whose number of SEC championships is greater than 0.  And mistakes like that are why I would rank other 1 loss teams ahead of you.  I don't vote on anything.  I haven't been asked and it's awfully likely that trend will continue.  Just my personal opinion.

And I am in agreement with this board's finest accountant.  I personally wouldn't feel comfortable with my scrubs in there unless I was leading by 35 in the second half or playing somebody much more terrible than MC. 

I mean, this isn't like Florida playing North Carolina A&T.  UF could blow that group out with their all-redshirt squad.  Millsaps was playing a good football team.  And I don't think that the Millsaps #2's are better than Mississippi College's #1's.  I think that's awfully clear at this point. 

If Coach DuBose really, truly believes his team is so deep that he can give everybody the second half off and get away with it, and he's right, you'll be in Salem by 2010.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 25, 2007, 09:18:53 AM
Wow,,, Bonzo, where did you find that brilliant Hendrix blog comment????  Football = rape???  Ouch!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2007, 10:44:38 AM
It was in a blog for discussion of adding football at Hendrix' web site and apparently was written by a student there.  In looking at the comments I don't remember seeing a single student that was in favor, though to be honest there were only a handful of comments (~10). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 25, 2007, 11:08:24 AM
I guess Ron was right. Everyone would rather focus on a choice made several weeks ago rather than the scores and recent history. Aren't rankings based on who the best teams are?

So in theory, if Millsaps comes out this week and dismantles DePauw, would you then consider ranking them? Not that it matters, but hypothetically. Further, if Millsaps does (knock on wood) win the SCAC, and does it in convincing fashion (which I don't think is entirely unlikely), will we still be talking about the M.C. game? Will the M.C. game affect your rankings then?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2007, 11:18:08 AM
Unfortunately, that game was against the best team Millsaps has played -- and in most people's minds, the only decent team Millsaps has played.

Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 25, 2007, 11:08:24 AM
So in theory, if Millsaps comes out this week and dismantles DePauw, would you then consider ranking them?

Already answered.

Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2007, 02:12:22 PM
Listen, we also know that Millsaps is at DePauw this weekend. DePauw hasn't played a Hardin-Simmons-level schedule to open the season by any stretch but is 3-0. If Millsaps can do well on that trip that will surely turn some votes around. But Mississippi College isn't getting a ton of votes either, so that's providing a bit of a ceiling right now for Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2007, 12:31:12 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 25, 2007, 11:08:24 AM
I guess Ron was right. Everyone would rather focus on a choice made several weeks ago rather than the scores and recent history. Aren't rankings based on who the best teams are?

So in theory, if Millsaps comes out this week and dismantles DePauw, would you then consider ranking them? Not that it matters, but hypothetically. Further, if Millsaps does (knock on wood) win the SCAC, and does it in convincing fashion (which I don't think is entirely unlikely), will we still be talking about the M.C. game? Will the M.C. game affect your rankings then?

The scores and recent history?  To me, most of the one loss teams that are ranked have played better teams than Millsaps.  MC, LC, Austin, and Rhodes doesn't exactly scream "Rank me! Rank me!"  But, on top of that, those other teams also tried to win the game they lost with all their chips on the table.  I'll say again, I personally put a great deal of value in that.  I don't think that fact can be completely ignored.  Is it more/less important than the score of the game?  Well I don't know.  Is it better/worse to get blown out by a good team with your #1's than it is to vomit your lead away with your #2's?  I don't think so, but not many of the ranked 1 loss teams have a big blowout on the slate to a similar opponent. 

We'll find out on Saturday where Millsaps stands.  They could have a repeat of last season if DePauw gives the football away like they did last year.  Millsaps could still win the whole darn conference.  And do it as convincingly as they did last year.  That's certainly worthy of being noted.  If they beat both DePauw and Trinity as convincingly as they did last year, it's going to earn them a fairly high seed in the South when it's all done.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2007, 12:54:11 PM
Hooray AFCA!

http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1248369

Centre's gaining steam.  Picked up another 16 votes this week.  Second team out of the poll.  Despite beating the tar out of Centre, DePauw's nowhere to be found.  And neither is Millsaps.  No votes.  Zero.  Making it look like the coaches prefer 53 other teams. 

Trinity up at a spot to 14. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2007, 01:04:55 PM
Well, 2-2 Centre DID post an unimpressive win at home against a team that's now 1-3 (sorry roocru).   And unless Sewanee pulls the upset, they'll likely be in the AFCA top 25 next week. 

Sigh. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 25, 2007, 01:21:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2007, 01:04:55 PM
Well, 2-2 Centre DID post an unimpressive win at home against a team that's now 1-3 (sorry roocru).   And unless Sewanee pulls the upset, they'll likely be in the AFCA top 25 next week. 

Sigh. 

That's OK Ron.  I am realistic enough to know we are not there yet, but I still hope we can sneak up on a few SCAC members.  :)

I get another look this week when I go to watch the Colorado College game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 25, 2007, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 25, 2007, 01:21:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2007, 01:04:55 PM
Well, 2-2 Centre DID post an unimpressive win at home against a team that's now 1-3 (sorry roocru).   And unless Sewanee pulls the upset, they'll likely be in the AFCA top 25 next week. 

Sigh. 

That's OK Ron.  I am realistic enough to know we are not there yet, but I still hope we can sneak up on a few SCAC members.  :)

I get another look this week when I go to watch the Colorado College game.

I thought CC looked like it had some major upside potential in the first half against Trinity.  You guys might be in for a long night if they put two good halves together.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 25, 2007, 01:33:20 PM
I know it's Tuesday already, but I want to comment on the two games I watched (in person) last Saturday afternoon.

Mary Hardin-Baylor 48, Texas Lutheran 0
This was as uninteresting of a blowout as I've ever seen.  If anything, UMHB played down to the level of their poor opponent in the first half and scored only on big plays.  Other than two 70+ yard TD runs by Thrasher (off-tackle runs with literally NO DB coverage by TLU), the game was a snoozer in the first half.  Neither team showed any ability to sustain a drive or make an offensive move.  TLU never crossed mid-field and the Cru wasn't really much better.  In the second half, UMHB showed a little more life, but really didn't look like #2 in the nation.  I left in the third (headed for S.A.) but I didn't miss much.  See the stats here if you care to read them: http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cfootball/txluther.htm (http://www2.umhb.edu/sportsinfo/cfootball/txluther.htm)

Trinity 38, Colorado College 13
I'm not a neutral party here, but I thought Trinity looked average until the final drive of the first half ... when they ran the hurry-up drill right down the field, 67 yards in just under 4 minutes.  They looked sharp, poised and in-control from then on.  Barmore deserves the SCAC OPOW as he was very confident.  Colorado was over-matched in this contest, but Trinity looked very good on both sides of the ball.  The Black Flag bent but did not break and got some big stops on drives when Colorado chose not to punt.  If Trinity's offense continues their progress, they will be ready for DPU and Millsaps this season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2007, 01:54:12 PM
Ooh, that's right, I want to go see CC this weekend in Sherman, too.   See you there, roocru!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2007, 01:54:30 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 25, 2007, 11:08:24 AM
I guess Ron was right. Everyone would rather focus on a choice made several weeks ago rather than the scores and recent history. Aren't rankings based on who the best teams are?

So in theory, if Millsaps comes out this week and dismantles DePauw, would you then consider ranking them? Not that it matters, but hypothetically. Further, if Millsaps does (knock on wood) win the SCAC, and does it in convincing fashion (which I don't think is entirely unlikely), will we still be talking about the M.C. game? Will the M.C. game affect your rankings then?
Just that kid,

Please go back to the Top 25 Final results from the previous seasons and compare where SCAC teams have finished.

2006 -- Trinity is RV #26.  "Cinderella-saps" (RV- Tied for 32.  The Majors lost to another "Cinderella", Carnegie Mellon in the first round.  CMU finishes in #22. (CMU is the first UAA school to get an at-large bid in 7 years.)  2006 Final Top 25. (http://www.d3football.com/top25.php?year=2006&week=16)

2005 -- Trinity loses in first round of playoffs to UMHB 6-35 and finishes #19 (http://www.d3football.com/top25.php?year=2005&week=16).

2004 -- Trinity (9-2) lost to NAIA Azusa Pacific 14-30 and at UMHB 13-32 in the first round of the playoffs.  They are still 3 years out from their Stagg Bowl appearance. They finish at #14 (http://www.d3football.com/top25.php?year=2004&week=16).

2003 -- Trinity (8-3) lost at  Pomona-Pitzer 31-35, and at Rhodes 20-23.  They lost in the first round of the playoffs to the weakest of the ASC Tri-Champs in OT at ETBU 41-42.  They finish #24. Click for 2003 final poll. (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Trinity%20(Texas)&year=2003)

For Millsaps to break into the Top 25, they need to dominate what has been demonstrated as a middle-rung conference.  I am not disparaging Millsaps; it is just that there are so many schools clustered between #20 and #40 in real strength.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2007, 02:19:08 PM
This is probably the right time to throw out the general reminder that it's twice as hard to make the Top 25 in Division III as it is in Division I-A, because there are twice as many teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2007, 03:34:19 PM
Nah, if DePauw runs the table they will be Top 25 before the playoffs. Look at who they play! They have Trinity, Millsaps and Wabash, after all.

Also, unless DePauw is the SCAC champ, expect the SCAC to have to face UMHB long before the third round.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 25, 2007, 03:56:27 PM
I never said that Millsaps needs to or should be ranked. I made no input as to whether or not they should be. I'm just wondering about the methods to why people feel the way they do. I don't necessarily agree or disagree.
Flying under the radar isn't a bad thing, and like I said, SCAC wins and a championship far out weigh rankings. I'm sure every team in the conference feels that way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2007, 03:57:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2007, 03:34:19 PM
Also, unless DePauw is the SCAC champ, expect the SCAC to have to face UMHB long before the third round.

Yeah. The good news is DePauw is closer to Mount Union than they are to Mary Hardin-Baylor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2007, 04:16:49 PM
Geographically. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2007, 05:00:35 PM
SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week
(For games played Saturday, Sept. 22nd)


BLAKE BARMORE OF TRINITY UNIVERSITY, a 6-3, 213-pound senior quarterback from Friendswood, Texas, has been selected the SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 22.

Barmore completed 17 of 27 passes for 209 yards and a career-high four touchdowns on Saturday, leading Trinity to a 38-13 victory in the team's 2007 SCAC opener.

Barmore led the Tiger offense to its best game of the year offensively, racking up 452 yards overall. The yardage and points scored are the highest this season. The team also scored 30 or more points in consecutive games for the first time since the 2005 season.

Each game this year, Barmore has improved his QB efficiency rating, which includes Saturday's 176.87 rating against Colorado College.

For the season, Barmore has completed 52 of 85 passes (61.2%) for 759 yards and seven touchdowns, throwing just two interceptions. He is averaging better than 250 yards per game through the air and has a QB rating of 158.65 on the season.


SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week


CASEY YOUNGER OF MILLSAPS COLLEGE, a 6-1, 260-pound senior defensive lineman from Vicksburg, Miss., has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 22.

Younger tallied nine tackles (five solo), 4.0 tackles-for-loss and a career-high three sacks as the Majors' defense held Rhodes College to just 146 total yards in a 42-0 win on Saturday at home.

Younger has 150 tackles for his career along with 22.5 tackles-for-loss and eight sacks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2007, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 25, 2007, 06:28:27 PM
...
So exactly what does it take to win a football game against MHB? Or does anyone that lines up against them need to fall back and save the equipment?
Old fashioned, smash-mouth football!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2007, 07:24:10 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 25, 2007, 07:04:06 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2007, 06:42:07 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 25, 2007, 06:28:27 PM
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So exactly what does it take to win a football game against MHB? Or does anyone that lines up against them need to fall back and save the equipment?
Old fashioned, smash-mouth football!

So what's the problem with all the people they have played this year? They just aren't as old fashioned and smash mouthed as the bruisers from Mary Hardin? ----

Seriously though, in your humble opinion how many teams in the top 25 could have a chance of beating these guys?

Are they invincible?
Not as big, not as fast, not as mature, not as experienced in the system...

It is almost the perfect storm.  They are the last team to beat Mount Union (http://www.mtunionfootball.com/) in the playoffs.

UMHB plays at Miss College on Oct 20th at 2 pm.  Millsaps has an open date.  It will be worth the effort if you live in the greater Jackson area to see that game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 25, 2007, 08:16:22 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 25, 2007, 06:59:36 PM
In regard to that first game, the reserves were actual put in for good with about 5 to 6 minutes remaining in the 3rd quater --- not the whole second half and not just the 4th quarter. The fake punt was executed on the starting and only punt return team.
Doesn't really matter I guess but the starters played until Juan Joseph's touchdown throw with 2:32 remaining in the third, after that you started seeing players who probably would not normally play. I actually have footage of all our games on my computer from our webcasts and took a look.

You are probably in the same boat as I am though and tired of talking about the 4th quarter of that game instead of how good both teams are. Hardin-Simmons is a good litmus test for us and will give me a good idea of what kind of team Millsaps has having had a chance to see both.

Question for fans of Millsaps and DePauw who are obviously more familiar than I am with those teams. I would be very surprised if Millsaps doesn't win by ten points, but if Millsaps had a weakness in the game at MC was special teams. I noticed that the punting and placekicking for the Majors have been a struggle this year. Does that play into this game or is Millsaps good enough that it doesn't matter?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 25, 2007, 08:53:35 PM
As tired as I am about the MC/Millsaps game, Millsaps starters only played 2 series of the 2nd half.
It's a dead horse. Can we stop kicking it? We're 4+ weeks into the season now, and honestly, it doesn't matter anymore. Rankings mean nothing for either school now. Each program just needs to try winning their conference if they wish to continue into the playoffs.

Millsaps has made some special teams adjustments and settled in a little. There was a "kicking by rotation" cycle going on, but the punter is a returning all-SCAC performer and doing quiet well. I'd love to rattle off stats, but frankly, Millsaps hasn't punted enough to meet the minimum 3.6 punts per game average to keep the stat.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 25, 2007, 08:56:04 PM
P.S. Does anyone know who will be writting "around the south"? Or if anyone is at all?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2007, 09:02:04 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on September 25, 2007, 08:16:22 PM

Question for fans of Millsaps and DePauw who are obviously more familiar than I am with those teams. I would be very surprised if Millsaps doesn't win by ten points, but if Millsaps had a weakness in the game at MC was special teams. I noticed that the punting and placekicking for the Majors have been a struggle this year. Does that play into this game or is Millsaps good enough that it doesn't matter?

I don't necessarily agree with it being a foregone conclusion.  The team that visited Jackson one year ago is long gone.  DePauw threw five interceptions in that game with the two-headed quarterback monster.  Millsaps only outgained DePauw by 20 yards. 

It's an entirely different DePauw team on both sides (and in the special teams.. the freshman punter is something special).  DPU is currently +10 in turnover margin.   

If they get a healthy #31 this weekend and don't give the football away, they're going to be there in the fourth quarter.   Key number for me is keeping Millsaps under 24.  And while the competition DePauw has played to this point is not as stout, Robby Long's defense is well-schemed and well-coached.  It's quite possible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2007, 09:37:33 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 25, 2007, 09:23:45 PM
Who said that the outcome is a foregone conclusion. Who is number 31? Who is taking your defensive stud from last years place?

If you read the passage I quoted, he said he'd be surprised if Millsaps won by fewer than 10.  That's why I said foregone conclusion.

#31 is Marks.  I don't know this for sure, but the rumor I heard was that he probably COULD have played last weekend, but they wanted to make sure he was 100% for this weekend and beyond.  And while Dustin Hertel is gone, I've been pleasantly surprised at how well the defensive front four is playing.  I expected that to be a potential a problem area.  They've played great.  Couple of freshmen the coaches are very high on.  There's some very exciting, young talent up front.  They've done a good job of getting to the quarterback. 

The question is going to be who wins the battle through the air.  Juan Joseph and that exceptionally efficient Millsaps O (290 ypg, 66% completion, 3 INT) vs. a surprisingly stout DPU secondary (117 ypg, 46% completion, 12 INT!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 25, 2007, 10:28:45 PM
I agree with DPU36109, the game will be won by the offenses. I hate to say it, but I think it actually comes down to the two stars, Joseph and Marks. Both players take on a huge part of each teams offense every week, and they will be the focal point of each defense.

For those that remember, it's the Wes Satterfield (Sewanee) situation. He accounted for over 70% of their offensive production, and teams that figured that out were able to shut him down and stop their offense. They didn't haver another player to step up and carry the offense.

Do the Majors? Does Depauw? If the defenses shut down the stars, it'll be an interesting game.

I'm thinking both offenses put on a show and we have a Texas Tech vs. OK State type score. 49-45 give or take.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2007, 11:44:49 PM
Big C, please call DePauw by their correct name. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 25, 2007, 11:58:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2007, 11:44:49 PM
Big C, please call DePauw by their correct name. 

DePaux must be the equivalent of:

Mishaps
McMurphy
Hardened-Sinners
Horrid Pain
...ummm Mary Hardin-Baylor?  I won't go there.  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2007, 12:27:08 AM
http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=DePauw&year=2007

That way you also don't have to ask who No. 31 is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 26, 2007, 12:39:26 AM
I think there are a lot of people who are looking past the Millsaps defense. A high power offense, it seems, has masked an equally lethal defense. Don't sleep on 'em. I promise it'll be a nightmare.

Big C might be on to something...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on September 26, 2007, 08:57:36 AM
I thought Depaux was nicely within Pat's guidance of fun yet spirited exchange.

Trinity who?  Speaking of under the radar.  The cockiness is gone and performance rules.  I'm in Japan or underway most of the time and this year's competitiveness is wonderful.  I hope Trinity continues to demonstrate quiet success and hope Millsaps either demonstrates something special or settles into regular competence.  After days of explanation for the first week loss, Millsaps' fans now seem keen to stop talking about it.  One or the other, it'll be Trinity that decides the verdict.  Think they don't know that?

It's sports gentlemen.  Sports.  Nothing else. 

Go Trinity!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2007, 09:10:48 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on September 26, 2007, 08:57:36 AM
I thought Depaux was nicely within Pat's guidance of fun yet spirited exchange.

Trinity who?  Speaking of under the radar.  The cockiness is gone and performance rules.  I'm in Japan or underway most of the time and this year's competitiveness is wonderful.  I hope Trinity continues to demonstrate quiet success and hope Millsaps either demonstrates something special or settles into regular competence.  After days of explanation for the first week loss, Millsaps' fans now seem keen to stop talking about it.  One or the other, it'll be Trinity that decides the verdict.  Think they don't know that?

It's sports gentlemen.  Sports.  Nothing else. 

Go Trinity!!!
Glad to see your posting again, D3Navy.  Welcome.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 26, 2007, 09:38:45 AM
Quote from: D3Navy on September 26, 2007, 08:57:36 AM
I thought Depaux was nicely within Pat's guidance of fun yet spirited exchange.

Trinity who?  Speaking of under the radar.  The cockiness is gone and performance rules.  I'm in Japan or underway most of the time and this year's competitiveness is wonderful.  I hope Trinity continues to demonstrate quiet success and hope Millsaps either demonstrates something special or settles into regular competence.  After days of explanation for the first week loss, Millsaps' fans now seem keen to stop talking about it.  One or the other, it'll be Trinity that decides the verdict.  Think they don't know that?


I don't think being top 20 in almost every poll would constitute "flying under the radar." Regular competence about what? Millsaps fans are done with the MC game because we talked circles around it for weeks. MC got the W--we understand that. Quiet honestly, the SCAC is far more important to talk about (this is the SCAC board). It's done and over, and we're 4 weeks after the fact.
And are you implying that Trinity will decide the victor of the SCAC? Is Trinity still the team to beat? I think there are a FEW schools who might not be so quick to think so anymore. After all, the conference crown isn't in San Antonio right now...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2007, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 26, 2007, 12:39:26 AM
I think there are a lot of people who are looking past the Millsaps defense. A high power offense, it seems, has masked an equally lethal defense. Don't sleep on 'em. I promise it'll be a nightmare.

Big C might be on to something...

You know, I agree with this.  The first team Millsaps D has played very well.  I don't think this game has much of a chance to get into the 30's, let alone the 40's.  If Millsaps gets to 30, DePauw hasn't done their job.  They want to run the football and the clock.  Make sure Juan spends most of his time hanging out with Coach DuBose on the sideline.

I always like the way DePauw matches up in this conference because they do something entirely different than just about every other team. They (and Centre sometimes when they run that funky double wing thing) are the only teams NOT running spread (At least the last time I checked).  They're going to shorten the game by lining up in the I and running the football.  A lot.  They've got one of the best RB's in the country, a very good defense, and a very good punter.  I think that philosophy will make you successful an awfully large percentage of the time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 26, 2007, 11:23:37 AM
Quote from: Big C on September 26, 2007, 11:19:05 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 26, 2007, 10:16:08 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 26, 2007, 12:39:26 AM
I think there are a lot of people who are looking past the Millsaps defense. A high power offense, it seems, has masked an equally lethal defense. Don't sleep on 'em. I promise it'll be a nightmare.

Big C might be on to something...

You know, I agree with this.  The first team Millsaps D has played very well.  I don't think this game has much of a chance to get into the 30's, let alone the 40's.  If Millsaps gets to 30, DePauw hasn't done their job.  They want to run the football and the clock.  Make sure Juan spends most of his time hanging out with Coach DuBose on the sideline.

I always like the way DePauw matches up in this conference because they do something entirely different than just about every other team. They (and Centre sometimes when they run that funky double wing thing) are the only teams NOT running spread (At least the last time I checked).  They're going to shorten the game by lining up in the I and running the football.  A lot.  They've got one of the best RB's in the country, a very good defense, and a very good punter.  I think that philosophy will make you successful an awfully large percentage of the time.

Austin College is a more run oriented team. Runs an option type offense that most SCAC schools will only see once a year.

This can be to their advantage.

Beat me to it, Big C   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2007, 11:32:26 AM
I thought they changed offenses.  At least that's what I was told.  Put 'em on the list then.

The problem I had with Austin last year was that I didn't think they had the right mix of athletes on the offensive line.  Guess I'm not sure what to think this year, though.  They hung a big 35 spot on McMurry, yet only got to 14 against Centre last weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2007, 12:35:10 PM
Austin College is still a very young team, overall, and they are improving each week.  Coach Gage brought in a big number of freshman this year, and many of the players seeing significant playing time are underclassmen.  This week's game against Centre was their first big road trip of the year.  I still expect the 'Roos to finish at or above .500 in the league and for the year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 26, 2007, 01:49:42 PM
What's up with "around the south"? Let's all just chime in and write it collectively! haha
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2007, 02:18:06 PM
I think that my continued silence on this should be considered an indication that I won't talk personnel issues on the board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 26, 2007, 03:56:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2007, 02:18:06 PM
I think that my continued silence on this should be considered an indication that I won't talk personnel issues on the board.

Are you referring to me? If so, I'm not sure how it was personal. It wasn't directed toward anyone. It's a legit. question
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 26, 2007, 04:14:50 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 26, 2007, 03:56:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2007, 02:18:06 PM
I think that my continued silence on this should be considered an indication that I won't talk personnel issues on the board.

Are you referring to me? If so, I'm not sure how it was personal. It wasn't directed toward anyone. It's a legit. question

Just that kid,

I suggest you look closely at Pat's message and then look up the difference between "personnel" and "personal" in a dictionary.  Respectfully, RooCru
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 26, 2007, 04:32:18 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 25, 2007, 09:02:04 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on September 25, 2007, 08:16:22 PM

Question for fans of Millsaps and DePauw who are obviously more familiar than I am with those teams. I would be very surprised if Millsaps doesn't win by ten points, but if Millsaps had a weakness in the game at MC was special teams. I noticed that the punting and placekicking for the Majors have been a struggle this year. Does that play into this game or is Millsaps good enough that it doesn't matter?

I don't necessarily agree with it being a foregone conclusion.  The team that visited Jackson one year ago is long gone.  DePauw threw five interceptions in that game with the two-headed quarterback monster.  Millsaps only outgained DePauw by 20 yards. 

It's an entirely different DePauw team on both sides (and in the special teams.. the freshman punter is something special).  DPU is currently +10 in turnover margin.   

If they get a healthy #31 this weekend and don't give the football away, they're going to be there in the fourth quarter.   Key number for me is keeping Millsaps under 24.  And while the competition DePauw has played to this point is not as stout, Robby Long's defense is well-schemed and well-coached.  It's quite possible.

I agree that last year was a different year. The platoon offense and defense utilized was extremely ineffective at Milsaps. I think the coaches have a better handle on this team and I think the players have a bit more understanding of what is required.

I said it earlier, if the over/under on total points scored is in the twenties, Depauw can make a tight game of it. If we slip above 40, I think Milsaps will be tough to beat.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 26, 2007, 04:39:49 PM
Quote from: HunterT on September 25, 2007, 10:28:45 PM
I agree with DPU36109, the game will be won by the offenses. I hate to say it, but I think it actually comes down to the two stars, Joseph and Marks. Both players take on a huge part of each teams offense every week, and they will be the focal point of each defense.

For those that remember, it's the Wes Satterfield (Sewanee) situation. He accounted for over 70% of their offensive production, and teams that figured that out were able to shut him down and stop their offense. They didn't haver another player to step up and carry the offense.

Do the Majors? Does Depauw? If the defenses shut down the stars, it'll be an interesting game.

I'm thinking both offenses put on a show and we have a Texas Tech vs. OK State type score. 49-45 give or take.

Great comment. I was thinking of Satterfield in response to the question of how you replace Hertel. You don't. You take the remaining talent and alter your game plan around your strengths. Hertel was a special kid, just as Satterfield was.

Sewanee no longer has their star QB, but they still play tough, just a little different. dePauw no longer has hertel, but they will still be tough, from a different perspective.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2007, 04:41:48 PM
OK, poll fixed.  Vote away. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2007, 05:09:40 PM
If the Millsaps players are buying into the Coach Dubose's platoon system, then you have 50 + guys at high intensity getting frequent quality reps, so that the entire level of play improves over the seasons.

That also means that 50+ guys know that they are seeing action and rooting for their teammates.  While they are on the sideline watching the other guy, they can see what adaptations the opponent is trying to make while his teammate is playing, kinda like tag team.  What is more, the intensity of practice is higher, because you basically have the "first" team practicing against the "A" team on both offense and defense.  There is very little difference in quality at this level, such that, given equal repetitions over the season, both players develop.

Two posters whom I respect very much give me for objective reasons to think that the Millsaps/DuBose system will be very successful.

Ron Boerger has probably seem more South Region (ASC/SCAC) ball than anyone who frequents these boards.  He believes that the Majors are second best in the South.

We have also read Frank Ezelle's assessment of the Majors.  I have "known" Frank from the Hoops and Baseball boards in previous seasons.  He is not some "Millsaps homer" with rose-colored shades!  Frank gives very good opinions of what he sees, and he likes this Millsaps team very much.

It behooves me to hear to what they are saying.

DePauw is seemingly putting it back together after a few seasons of turmoil.  DPU plays quality football.  As for the Fan Poll, I don't think that the ordinal nature of the voting is accurately describing what we are seeing.

If I may, I think that the power ratings on a scale of 0-100 thru 4 games are:

1)  UMHB  96
2-8 ) Bridgewater, Millsaps, MissColl, Salisbury, Trinity, Wash & Jeff, and Wesley, 80-90 (alphabetical order)
9)  HSU 76
10) DPU 74

The HSU at Miss College and Millsaps at DPU play favorably with home field advantage working in favor of the teams who need to prove themselves.  This is a great weekend for football!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2007, 05:39:17 PM
Big C,

In the ASC, where HSU is traveling 600+ miles by bus, and any trip involving SRSU, 4+ points.

In the SCAC where a plane flight is involved, 4+ points.

IN both conferences where there is a 3-4 hour bus ride, (and I will include Sherman to Trinity because Texas kids are just used to long football trips up and down the interstates), 3 points.

:)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2007, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 26, 2007, 04:14:50 PM
Just that kid,

I suggest you look closely at Pat's message and then look up the difference between "personnel" and "personal" in a dictionary.  Respectfully, RooCru

And people claim grammar and spelling isn't important on a message board? Sheesh.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 26, 2007, 06:06:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2007, 05:40:44 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 26, 2007, 04:14:50 PM
Just that kid,

I suggest you look closely at Pat's message and then look up the difference between "personnel" and "personal" in a dictionary.  Respectfully, RooCru

And people claim grammar and spelling isn't important on a message board? Sheesh.

Pat, you got that right. Even for teachers at the college level, trying to stress the importance of vocabulary and spelling is often akin to tilting at windmills. "Sheesh," indeed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 26, 2007, 06:39:54 PM
Come on guys, I think he gets the point and I am sure he will pay more attention to his post next time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2007, 07:10:52 PM
B-SC AD Joe Dean, Jr (http://www.doubleazone.com/2007/09/bicampus_connectioni_birmingham-southernb.html) is featured in the Double AA Zone Campus Connection today.

Trackback URL:

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 26, 2007, 08:03:59 PM
Quote from: DePauwDad on September 26, 2007, 04:32:18 PM
I said it earlier, if the over/under on total points scored is in the twenties, Depauw can make a tight game of it. If we slip above 40, I think Milsaps will be tough to beat.
Gotta agree with that. The reason Millsaps won the SCAC last year started with their defense, but it gets overshadowed because the offense has been putting up points. DePauw can win if they make it a defensive game and the score is in the teen's. After watching Millsaps in person once this year, I think DePauw has a better chance of stopping the offense than they do of putting a big number on the defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 26, 2007, 09:19:42 PM
First: I don't need a dictionary. I apologize (note sarcasm) for a simple mistake. I was in a hurry and wasn't paying attention. In the future, though, I will make sure my writing proficiency is up to par with the spelling and grammar guru's of the board (again note sarcasm).
Bringing a simply mistake to my attention was warranted (a genuine thank you Roocru), but the extra comments-- I thought I left that in high school. It's almost humorous that it became a conversational piece. Please, if you're going to make childish pokes, make them a little more creative... and actually be funny.
Thank you Ex Major. It's nice to know that football is what someone wishes to discuss, and not each other. Although, discussing each other and belittling the opinion, character, and intelligence, it seems, is much more compelling to some.
And please.. If you don't like this, you don't agree, your feelings are hurt, you don't like me, you think I'm not to your intellect... please don't make it a board topic. If you have something further to say, please send me a message. Some of us are here to discuss football, and not each other. Topic over. (can't wait to see my karma after this one!)

Second: In my humble opinion, I don't think this game will be within two scores. I will gladly eat my words if I'm wrong, but Ron might be one of the few who isn't grotesquely underestimating Millsaps. If they come to play, and play their game, there might be a few more box scores looking like the last few opponents Millsaps faced. We'll see. Time will tell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 26, 2007, 09:27:15 PM
No offense, but editing and the English language is how I make a living. I will defend grammar and spelling until the day I die.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 27, 2007, 12:44:29 AM
Well I'm glad to know that my comments about the offenses sparked so much conversation.

I agree with what was said about reading a few well respected posters about the two teams (Thank you Ralph for that post). I may not know the most about Millsaps and Depauw and the depth they have at their positions. What I do know is what comes up on the board here, and what I see in the stats every week.

The argument was that Millsaps held a few teams to low stat totals including points and yards when those teams turned around and produced high totals in following weeks. I will use Austin College as my rebuttle example for this, sorry roocru. Austin was held to very low offensive stats against Millsaps, then turned around and took it to their next opponent, and then turned around again and was held to less than 100 yds at Centre. This to me says inconsistant. The same with Rhodes' offense. Held to no points and embarassing stats at Millsaps, after proving their inconsistancy in the first two games.

Unfortunatly, I can't really comment much on Depauw's defense because there hasn't been an argument against my statement.

As for the offenses... you guys are the ones at the games, so why do I only hear about Marks and Joseph??? If other guys are doing their part and playing hard, where's their credit??? That is where i based my argument that it comes down to how those two players perform.

I could be wrong, and I hope I am. I hate to see a situation where one player dictates the direction of the whole team. That defeats the purpose of a TEAM game.

As for the poll results, I find it almost funny that nobody has picked DPU to win if it's under 20 pts, and only 2 have picked Millsaps to win in a low scoring game. So everybody agrees that there will be no defensive battle. Also, the same amount of people have picked Millsaps to win if it's over 40 total that have picked DPU to win if it's 20-39. So if defense plays a factor, Depauw wins. If not, Millsaps wins (which is what I picked and originally stated). What does that say about the Majors offense? Does it say that if DPU stops Joseph they have the best chance of winning?

I apologize for the length of my posts, I can only post late at night after work. So I get one post a day to say my peace. I will say that I am enjoying the amount of support and activity being shown from more people representing more schools. It is a shame that people spend their time attacking the higher powers that be that are the ones that give us this message board and the privelage to say what we want and support our boys.

In other news, Rhodes 14 - Wash U 13, we block a PAT and win. somehow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2007, 12:59:54 AM
Hunter, good post and worthy of the length...

I think that few voters see a 10-9 or 13-7 score in the DPU-'Saps game.  :)

(Thanks for the acknowledgment.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2007, 01:04:53 AM
Quote from: HunterT on September 27, 2007, 12:44:29 AM
In other news, Rhodes 14 - Wash U 13, we block a PAT and win. somehow.

For Rhodes/Wash U, that's practically a shootout!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 27, 2007, 01:24:05 AM
I figured I'd revisit the Millsaps vs. DePauw game from last year.  Besides the score (Millsaps 31 - DePauw 7) the only glaring differences in statistics were in the fumbles-fumbles lost and interceptions categories.  Collectively, there were 8 turnovers in the game.  Millsaps fumbled twice and lost only one of them, and the Majors threw a lone interception.  DePauw did not fumble at all, but the Tigers threw 5 interceptions (three of which were in Millsaps territory).  Millsaps scored two touchdowns and one field goal off those interceptions.  

I've seen many of these Millsaps/DePauw games.  The Majors have NEVER won nor played well in Greencastle since DePauw joined the SCAC in 1998.  In fact, DePauw has hung 50+ points on Millsaps each of the last two times the Majors have visited the Tigers.  

But the Majors were BAD, BAD then and the Tigers were pretty darn good.  The Tigers are pretty good now, but the Majors have some weapons that Frank, Ex-Major and I have never seen before (at least not in the last 11 years....Frank can go back a little more than Ex and I can).  The newbie Major fans need a history lesson.  To be sure, DePauw hasn't seen this Millsaps football team either.  

My take: Millsaps is going to score points.  DePauw will need big plays to rattle the Majors or the Millsaps D will wear the Tigers down.  Both teams will need to protect the football or risk giving up some easy scores.  Millsaps opponents have wanted to run at the Majors.  It hasn't worked, and statistics show that the passing game against Millsaps is ill advised.  DePauw will use Marks to spark the Tiger offense, but he won't be enough this time.  Millsaps wins 27-10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Gaunt on September 27, 2007, 01:32:26 AM
Quote from: HunterT on September 27, 2007, 12:44:29 AM
As for the offenses... you guys are the ones at the games, so why do I only hear about Marks and Joseph??? If other guys are doing their part and playing hard, where's their credit??? That is where i based my argument that it comes down to how those two players perform.

I could be wrong, and I hope I am. I hate to see a situation where one player dictates the direction of the whole team. That defeats the purpose of a TEAM game.

So... what you're really saying is how well their offensive lines perform?  You did say TEAM and to give credit where it was due, and it's not like backs or receivers generate the yardage magically from pixie dust.  I've seen what happens when the blocking isn't there-- it sure as hell isn't positive yards.  As for the lack of notoriety of the front five (or seven), I can only blame what I see as an appalling trend in sport media coverage that surely boarders on some form of discrimination. 

Anyway, I had to vote for the "21-39 points - DPU wins" category.  I've got to imagine scoring 28 or more points a game is still a weekly team goal for the DPU's offense, and if the defense stays as stingy it will be enough to get the job done.  Very faithful here, but I'm going with history.

How many people are planning on making it to Greencastle this week?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2007, 01:45:30 AM
Quote from: Matt Gaunt on September 27, 2007, 01:32:26 AM...
  As for the lack of notoriety of the front five (or seven), I can only blame what I see as an appalling trend in sport media coverage that surely boarders on some form of discrimination. 
Our Millsaps friends suggest that the game will be won with the 10-14 linemen who make the road trip.  :)

Most "hogs" don't mind the lack of individual notoriety/publicity, but do seem to relish acclaim of the unit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Gaunt on September 27, 2007, 02:04:26 AM
I'd say the relishing of unit accolades is an accurate assessment. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 27, 2007, 07:34:25 AM
Pat-
If Rhodes scores 14 at Wash U, I'll be doing jigs around my living room. Especially after last weeks showing in Mississippi.

Matt-
I couldn't agree with you more. I do think an offense goes where the offensive line takes them. If you have a weak line, you're not going to really go anywhere unless you get lucky. I was a kicker and you better believe that the guys I took care of were my offensive line. They were my life and death. I rivaled our RB for who gave the most donuts during morning meetings.  I always have been and always will be a big supporter of offensive lines, whatever their names might be.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 27, 2007, 08:06:13 AM
I would be surprised if the Majors travel with more than 10 offensive lineman for their road games. I will be in Greencastle this weekend. I expect a really good hard fought game but I agree with the Consultant, the defense plays stingy and the offense moves the ball...27-10 win for the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 27, 2007, 09:03:14 AM
As an over-the-hill O-lineman,,,,  I can honestly say that I don't mind the accolades, but instead of relish, just give me mustard and onions!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 27, 2007, 10:16:43 AM
I'm confused that people are playing the no respect card about the Millsaps D, but then turn right around and tell me that Millsaps is good for 35 on a DePauw D that's surrended almost 4 fewer points per game and has a significantly better turnover margin.  The numbers for DePauw against the pass are startling.  56 QB rating against.  4 INT's per game.  117 passing yards/game against.  I'd kinda like an explanation of why one will happen and the other won't. 

I think a healthy Jeremiah Marks makes the DePauw offense just as lethal as the Millsaps O.  The numbers show it.  Just look at them.  (DPU 1st in SCAC in total yards/game - 433, Millsaps 2nd 419.  Millsaps 38 ppg, DPU 33)   It's not like Millsaps has been playing the top of the heap to open this season while DPU is busy toiling away against the beasts of the bottom of the HCAC and the NCAC.  They've played a similar schedule. 

DePauw may not do it the same way offensively.  It's not particularly flashy.  Spud won't be throwing it all over Blackstock on Saturday afternoon like Juan Joseph.  Sure he's got a great arm, but everybody knows DePauw's first priority is to run it.  A lot.  I'll say this about the DPU O: They'll still get after you for a big chunk of yardage, but they'll do it while winning the time of possession by a good sized margin, which makes it even more successful. Nobody may have run the football at Millsaps yet, but I guarantee they haven't seen a front five like DePauw's.  And that's been the story for DePauw for quite some time.

The long and short of it for me is, I don't think you can look at it and just go "MILLSAPS ROLLS BY 2 SCORES LOL".  How?  For what reason statistical or otherwise? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 27, 2007, 10:27:18 AM
DPU3619 brings up an interesting point. 

If this games goes down to the wire like many are anticipating then time of possesion could play a huge role.  Millsaps scores in bunches and they have pretty much down it quickly this year, they are not a grind it out team.  Depauw is a run oriented team that could wear down a Millsaps defense if the "TOP" is in the Tiger's favor.  Might be something to keep an eye on in this much anticipated matchup.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2007, 11:05:41 AM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 27, 2007, 10:16:43 AM
The long and short of it for me is, I don't think you can look at it and just go "MILLSAPS ROLLS BY 2 SCORES LOL".  How?  For what reason statistical or otherwise? 

I think some feel this is a contributing factor:

DePauw 14 Sewanee 10

If DPU can't score more than two TDs, Marks or no Marks, on a team that won't rank in anyone's top 125 then there are legitimate questions about scoring against a defense that is a heck of a whole lot better.  And I remember seeing Sewanee put together a decent last-second drive (from their 9 to the DePauw 30) before the DPU D saved the win. 

Also, a lot of chatter has been "Millsaps has never played well at DePauw" and the road performance of this year's Majors has been head and shoulders above previous seasons including last year's.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 27, 2007, 11:12:44 AM
Win's a win, Ron.  You truly believe DePauw runs the ball that poorly with Marks? 

DePauw has 0 losses.  Millsaps has 1.  And that one has been portrayed by most as a fairly bad one.

(EDIT): I think it's awfully short-sided to look at that game when DePauw wasn't at full strength and then ignore the previous results of the DePauw offense.  DePauw didn't get 6 turnovers from it's defense at Sewanee like Millsaps did at home against Rhodes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2007, 11:50:19 AM
Everyone views the world through their own particular set of blinders and chooses what to ignore and what not to ignore.  I don't have a dog in the DPU-Millsaps hunt and you asked for reasons why some feel Millsaps will win.  If you don't want to hear them, then don't ask.

DPU will have Marks, who runs very well indeed, but Millsaps defends the run a whole lot better than Sewanee.   And your point about DePauw not getting the turnovers that Millsaps did last week isn't really a point in DPU's favor; turnovers don't just happen most of the time ;)  Do remember further that Millsaps was also short-handed last week and had to use their #2 QB. 

I'm not going to guarantee anyone is going to win, but having seen Millsaps in person and DePauw on the web (against similar competition with both teams on the road) in the last two weeks I rate the Majors a solid favorite.   That and $4 will get you a cup of coffee at $tarbuck$. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 27, 2007, 11:54:08 AM
  Hunter: Don't worry about how long your posts are. They're good points! You refer to inconsistency by Millsaps' opponents, but never mention the lack thereof from Millsaps. Perhaps Millsaps hasn't played the finest of teams in the country, but each and every one of those game (minus the 2nd 1/2 of one game, perhaps) has been an equally identical performance on both sides of the ball--in a very consistent manner.
  You hear so much about Juan and Marks because they are the leaders of the respective offenses. Millsaps doesn't usually have flashy number from its' receivers because there are usually seeing double digit receivers with receptions. If you spread the wealth, the only one accumulating stats is the quarterback. Take nothing from Juan, though, he is definitely a special player.
  Even still, Millsaps beat Rhodes 42-0 without Juan even in the game which shows that one player doesn't dictate the direction of the entire team. I personally think this game will be decided by momentum. Millsaps has a habit of hopping up on people early, and forcing predominant run teams to start throwing the ball. If DePauw hangs in until late in the game, they DEFINATELY have a chance. I personally just don't think that's going to happen. Again, I will gladly team my words if I'm wrong.

Consultant: I think your "take" might be right on!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 27, 2007, 11:56:21 AM
And I apologize for not showing love to those guys in the trenches. Millsaps has a fine O-line and the offense wouldn't work without them! They are the one's who make it happen! A big hat off to them and all of the bigboys up front who get no love!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 27, 2007, 12:02:14 PM
"I think some feel this is a contributing factor:

DePauw 14 Sewanee 10

If DPU can't score more than two TDs, Marks or no Marks, on a team that won't rank in anyone's top 125 then there are legitimate questions about scoring against a defense that is a heck of a whole lot better.  And I remember seeing Sewanee put together a decent last-second drive (from their 9 to the DePauw 30) before the DPU D saved the win.  "

I watched this game and sometimes match-ups can play a significant role. Sewanee may not have a top 20 team, but they did play with discipline and their D line was really strong. Even with that, holes were avaialable, but with back up runners they were not necessarily hit on time or with good lead block following. Also, DePauw was in the red zone three additional times and came up empty. That's a problem, but is resolvable.

I watched last year's game and it was a horrible performance for everyone at DePauw. The coaches were learning the players and were platoon substituting at every position- QB, OLine, DB, RB, FB..... it was frankly hard to watch. I was not a proponent of this system, but maybe the coaches were willing to take a hit to better understand their strengths and weaknesses. I'm not sure, but I do know this DePauw will not roll over on Saturday. They will fight to the end regardless of the outcome. This team has a spirit that is infectuous.  

No one is underestimating Milsaps ability to hang some points. I would suggest it wise to not underestimate the funny bounces that happen in a tight game. Players react differently when they see the clock ticking and a small point delta. DePauw felt that last week. I would guess that may have been a positive experience leading into this week. Time of possession can and will play a significant role in this game.

DPU 17, Milsaps 14. Maybe DPU 10, Milsaps 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 27, 2007, 12:07:12 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2007, 11:50:19 AM
  If you don't want to hear them, then don't ask.

There's a distinct difference between my disagreement with your reasoning and my not wanting to hear it.  Take it easy.  We both know that wasn't what I meant.

The last time I checked, this is a board for the discussion of such issues that we may disagree on.  And I was trying to discuss it with you.  But now I'm done because that's how your going to be about it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 27, 2007, 12:24:33 PM
DePauw Dad: And you're right. It is possible! I really do hope it's a great game! It will do nothing but stir competition and make players better! I hope both bring their finest performance. No one is doubting DePauws ability, though. I just think Millsaps is a more talented and veteran team. That's just my opinion. No harm, no foul.

DPU: Look at the bright side. You could be me! haha. Don't stop talking because someone doesn't agree or seems to make it personAL (if indeed that's how you feel.) Try a message. This is all about fun. Let's talk football!

Hope it's a great one!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2007, 12:59:04 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 27, 2007, 12:07:12 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2007, 11:50:19 AM
  If you don't want to hear them, then don't ask.

There's a distinct difference between my disagreement with your reasoning and my not wanting to hear it.  Take it easy.  We both know that wasn't what I meant.

The last time I checked, this is a board for the discussion of such issues that we may disagree on.  And I was trying to discuss it with you.  But now I'm done because that's how your going to be about it.

Free country and relatively free board, do as you like.  Please note that your first response basically stated that I was "short-sighted" and "ignor[ant].   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 27, 2007, 01:12:29 PM
I do believe momentum is going to be a factor in the Millsaps-DPU game from the  kickoff.  The Majors are balanced with equally talented O and D with noticable improvement/development each week. I have been to the games mentioned and smart, hard nosed football most often creates turnovers. I think the Majors will win because this is a more seasoned mature team with a better understanding of what their coach expects of them. If I am wrong DPU wins in a close game. I personally believe Millsaps  will take care of their business in Greencastle.  This would be a big win for DPU but  Millsaps is focused on a championship and this is the next step. Both teams have something to prove.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 27, 2007, 01:23:13 PM
First off, thanks for the classy postings from DePauw and Milsaps fans. I cannot wait to see this game and I think both teams wil leave it on the field. I agree  with the hope that all leave the field physically intact.  I threw a score out to stimulate conversations, but I wouldn't want to bet on this game. Good players on both sides. Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 27, 2007, 01:56:14 PM
QuoteFirst off, thanks for the classy postings from DePauw and Milsaps fans.

You beat me to it...I have been impressed (surprised?) at the posts regarding the DePauw-Milsaps matchup...entertaining with good  football perspective...partisan, yet lots of knowledge...and a level of respect...not like some of the juvenile jibberish that occassionally makes its way in here...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 27, 2007, 02:59:55 PM
I hope you will enjoy the following article reprinted from (without permission, but with full and in-advance credit given to) The Onion, a satirical and quite hilarious website ... this seemed appropriate given the witty reparte of the past couple of weeks on this-here SCAC topic.  Enjoy!

You Will Suffer Humiliation When The Sports Team From My Area Defeats The Sports Team From Your Area

The Onion, April 18, 2001
sourcelink: http://www.theonion.com/content/node/33426

As you can see from the calendar, the game is coming up this weekend. I'm sure you are as excited for it as I am, as our cities are rivals and have been for quite some time. Your confidence in your team is high, but rest assured, you will suffer humiliation when the sports team from my area defeats the sports team from your area.

On numerous occasions, you have expressed the conviction that your area's sports team will be victorious. I must admit that every time I hear you make this proclamation, I react with both laughter and disbelief. "Ha!" I say to myself with laughter. "What?!" I say to myself in disbelief. How could you believe that your sports team could beat my sports team? It is clear that yours is inferior in every way.

When the sporting contest begins, the players on your team will be treated as though they are inconsequential. It will be remarkably easy for my team to accumulate more points than yours. There are many reasons for this, starting with the inferior physical attributes of the players representing your area. Strength, speed, and agility are just three of the qualities that the players on the team from your area lack. The players representing my area, on the other hand, have these traits in abundance.

I would not be a bit surprised if the individuals on the team from your area were sexually attracted to members of their own gender. That is how ineffective they are on the field of battle.

Underscoring your team's inferiority is its choice of colors. It is ludicrous to believe that your team's colors inspire either respect or fear. Instead, they appear to have been chosen by someone who is colorblind or, perhaps, bereft of sight altogether. The colors for my team, on the other hand, are aesthetically pleasing when placed in proximity to one another. They are a superior color combination in every way.

While we are on the subject of aesthetics, let us compare the respective facilities in which our teams play. While my team's edifice is blessed with architectural splendor and the most modern of amenities, yours is a thoroughly unpleasant place in which to watch a sporting contest. I know of what I speak, for I once attended a game between our respective teams in your facility. Let's just say the experience left me wishing that my car was inoperable that day due to mechanical problems, rendering it impossible for me to get to your area to attend the game.

If you need another reason why the sporting franchise representing my area is superior, look no further than the supporters for the two sides. Not only are the supporters of the team from my region more spirited, but they are also more intelligent and of finer breeding than you and the rest of your ilk. In addition, the female supporters of the team from my area possess more attractive countenances and figures than yours. Some of the women from my side that I have observed could make a living by posing for pictures for major men's magazines. The women who cheer for your team, I'm afraid, are far too unattractive to do so.

One of the more pathetic aspects of the team from your area is the fact that only people in your immediate area possess an affinity for it. By means of contrast, the team from my area inspires loyalty and affection in individuals who live in many other geographic locations.

To illustrate this point, let me tell a brief story: Recently, I was on vacation in an area of the country far away from my own, and I saw many individuals wearing items of clothing that bore the insignia of my team. I approached one such individual and asked him if he originated from my area. He said no, explaining that he simply liked the team from my area and had for many years. Interestingly enough, during this trip, I saw no clothing or other paraphernalia bearing the insignia of your team.

Do you still doubt that the team from your area is inferior to the one from mine? Just look at our teams' respective histories. In the past, we have defeated you on any number of occasions. Granted, there were times when your team beat my team, but those were lucky flukes.

The day of the game will soon be at hand. And no matter how hard you pray to a higher power or how many foam accoutrements you wear in support of the team from your area, your team will be defeated. We will win and you will lose. This is your fate.

Prepare for humiliation. It shall be upon you at the designated hour.

;D

Oh, and best of luck to all SCAC teams ... may you play your best injury-free games ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 27, 2007, 03:54:32 PM
TigerDad: That was funny! Great post, and definately fitting! Because Millsaps SEEMS to have more bloggers, does that mean we have the slight edge?  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 27, 2007, 04:09:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2007, 12:59:04 PM
Free country and relatively free board, do as you like.  Please note that your first response basically stated that I was "short-sighted" and "ignor[ant].   

Hmm.  That's not what I said, but you've done a fine editing job.  You choosing to not put weight in factors of this game by ignoring them does not make you ignorant and you know it.  Absolutely no reason to accuse me of such, Ron.  Come on.  Seriously.

I find it hard to believe that you'll accept one game's end result and pass the rest off as irrelevant.  I'll call that being short-sided about it.  You're the one who brought up the blinders argument, and from the way you've spoken, you're completely disregarding the previous results.  And if you want take offense to that, then let it be.  My sincerest apologies for trying to debate you on it.  It's not an insult to your character.  I just think it's awfully unfortunate to not be talking about the team that's STILL leading the conference in offense despite the score of last week's game.

I don't think a team can be fairly estimated as good/bad by the result of one game when they're missing one of the few reasons that make them a good football team.  And it seems to me that you disagree.  And that's fine.  Nothing wrong with it.  However, if you didn't like the opinion I posted, but don't want to defend yours, then don't respond in the first place.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2007, 04:41:19 PM
'3619, I think you've stated your position, I've stated mine, neither of us have shown much interest in modifying them, and so there's not much point in further discussion.   You seem to think the only thing I'm paying attention to is last week's results when I've been following this conference since the site was opened, talked with all the coaches over the summer, picked Marks as the preseason MVP in Kickoff, et cetera.  OK, that's your perogative.   

May the best team win on Saturday.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2007, 05:49:49 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 27, 2007, 09:03:14 AM
As an over-the-hill O-lineman,,,,  I can honestly say that I don't mind the accolades, but instead of relish, just give me mustard and onions!!!!

Most o-line guys I know would rather have a trip to IHOP over a bunch of pub.  :)

I take photos of my son's high school team in action.  I always take more line photos, both O and D, over anything else.  It does drive a few parents nuts, but it's the way it is. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2007, 05:56:42 PM
Oh yeah... losing sucks.  :)

My son's played for a team that has won a lot of HS games the past two years.  This year, lots of young players, brutal schedule, and they find themselves 0-4 going into district play. 

Trinity is a great education, but for my son and his buddy, they're sick of losing.  Trinity is looking like a great option, a winning option, for both of them. 

Milsaps-DePauw....  all your kids want to win this one.  All that "win or lose, ... " I know is the way your "supposed" to look at it.  But, for those kids, it's win or nothing. 

Was is Lombardi that said, "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser"?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 27, 2007, 08:01:06 PM
I think the quote is, "Show me a good and gracious loser, and I'll show you a failure."

Knute Rockne / Notre Dame
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 27, 2007, 08:31:28 PM
Tex: In the SCAC, it's win or go home. One loss could end your playoff shot.

To the rest: Now now gentlemen. Let's be civil. We can agree to disagree, but it's all of and games. Either Millsaps and DePauw will learn a lesson in humility this weekend.

...and some of us will also. We'll see how these predictions pan out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 27, 2007, 08:34:51 PM
Tex,,, I'm not a big IHOP fan... just point me to the 'pub'
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 27, 2007, 09:06:51 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 27, 2007, 05:56:42 PM
Oh yeah... losing sucks.  :)

My son's played for a team that has won a lot of HS games the past two years.  This year, lots of young players, brutal schedule, and they find themselves 0-4 going into district play. 

Trinity is a great education, but for my son and his buddy, they're sick of losing.  Trinity is looking like a great option, a winning option, for both of them. 

Milsaps-DePauw....  all your kids want to win this one.  All that "win or lose, ... " I know is the way your "supposed" to look at it.  But, for those kids, it's win or nothing. 

Was is Lombardi that said, "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser"?

Tex, Don't limit your options to Trinity.  Your son and others could be the ones to help turn the Roos into winners.  They are not that far away right now in my estimation.  They might play a lot earlier as well!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2007, 09:10:47 PM
The academics are just as strong at Austin College as at Trinity, too.  Biggest difference is the engineering at Trinity, though AC has a 3-2 program.

In Texas, AC can't be beaten, IMO, for it's foreign languages and pre-med, pre-law programs.

Just my humble .02 worth, though I'm admittedly more than a little biased.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on September 27, 2007, 09:16:50 PM
Boerger & 3619,

Heard Marks is definitely questionable for the game on Saturday which may change the outlook considerably.  If he plays, will he be effective - wouldn't think he would be 100%?  That may add to your discussion.

...anxious to see how this one turns out.  Millsaps won't be Sewanee nor Anderson.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 27, 2007, 09:27:40 PM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on September 27, 2007, 09:16:50 PM
Boerger & 3619,

Heard Marks is definitely questionable for the game on Saturday which may change the outlook considerably.  If he plays, will he be effective - wouldn't think he would be 100%?  That may add to your discussion.

...anxious to see how this one turns out.  Millsaps won't be Sewanee nor Anderson.

Dunno who your source is, but I believe you.  I've heard dfferently, but he might just be on the injury report for this week. 

I've heard he's going to play.  In fact, they made it sound like he could have went LAST Saturday on the mountain if it was a big game.  But,  they opted to keep him out to avoid making it worse. 

Millsaps may not be Sewanee or Anderson, but DePauw isn't Austin or Louisiana College, either.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 27, 2007, 10:12:35 PM
I just hope an injury doesn't turn into "the reason" if things don't go the way DePauw would like it to. Like i've said though, I don't think it'll really matter. Nothing personal or any disrespect to anyone or any institution.. just my opinion.
Millsaps isn't Sewanee or Anderson, and DePauw isn't Austin or LC, but I don't think it matters..  :P (sorry. had to do a LITTLE trash talking. Read TigerDad's article above. That's my reasoning!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2007, 10:22:54 PM
It would be a shame if Marks (or Joseph, for that matter) has to play at less than 100% and I hope that will not be the case for either team. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2007, 10:26:26 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on September 27, 2007, 08:01:06 PM
I think the quote is, "Show me a good and gracious loser, and I'll show you a failure."

Knute Rockne / Notre Dame


Lombardi probably stole it from Rockne then...  http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/v/vincelomba161268.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
Austin College looks great on paper, but when we drove through Sherman, the kid told me to keep on driving.  I think it's a bit too close to Sucklahoma or something. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 27, 2007, 11:01:45 PM
BashBacker-
Marks is Definately Questionable?? isn't that some kind of grammatical error? Something like "I'm 100% sure that I haven't made my mind up yet." Can I get a ruling from an english major?

as for relavance to this week, I look at the poll. That's the easiest and fastest comparison for what we think about this game. If the game stays under 40 total points, the numbers show 11-8 in favor of Millsaps. Possible scores could include 21-17ish all the way to 3-0ish. In my opinion a score that results from a hard faught evenly matched game with equally matched offense and defense (depending on the score). A very good possibility.

however this could also include 38-0 or 31-7ish. In which case (from the posts) it seems people would pick Millsaps. It seems though that the only way Depauw would win (using the poll) is if it stays close and low scoring.

if the scores go over the 40 pt mark, Millsaps is an overwhelming favorite (8-2 votes). Possible scores could include 21-20 (very similar to before), as well as 41-0. Does anybody else see where I'm going?

I thank whoever set up the poll we have, but i'm suggesting a possible last minute change for the day before the game. I suggest an over/under of 40 with options inluding:

Under 40: A) Millsaps by 8 or more
                 B) Millsaps by 7 or less
                 C) Depauw by 7 or less
                 D) Depauw by 8 or more
and the same 4 options for Over 40 as well. It might not be possible on such short notice. But since this single game has caused more posts than any other game i've seen discussed in the last few years, what can it hurt? at least it would be a little more specific options.

Hey maybe even a bonus prize if anybody can guess the total points right on. That'd be fun.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2007, 11:22:05 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 27, 2007, 09:10:47 PM
In Texas, AC can't be beaten, IMO, for it's foreign languages and pre-med, pre-law programs.

Pre-med?  No, No, NO!

Tell the kid to take that AC degree, his/her GPA and GRE/LSAT, go to law school or biz school and 2-3 years later you will have a good job, with a better pay and unlimited opportunities for career development and entrepreneurship.  Your best return on investment.

Eight years out of AC with an MD, you will be just getting your first job, probably as a salaried shift worker, with no authority, lots of life-and-death responsibility and no opportunity to advance.  Your educational return on investment will be worse than a school teacher.

If your calling to medicine is similar to the clergy or the mission fields, then answer it.  Otherwise, there are plenty of places where you can answer altruistic callings, with a better combination of rewards, professional and personal.

Just my $0.019 worth after the most recent round of Medicare cuts to physicians.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 28, 2007, 06:41:42 AM
QuoteMillsaps won't be Sewanee nor Anderson.
...nor one of those tough NCAC squads... ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on September 28, 2007, 07:30:10 AM
QuoteMarks is Definately Questionable?? isn't that some kind of grammatical error? Something like "I'm 100% sure that I haven't made my mind up yet." Can I get a ruling from an english major?

exactly...it's kind of like, "Hey, All America quarterback, get out there on the hands team!" ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 28, 2007, 08:21:02 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on September 27, 2007, 10:12:35 PM
I just hope an injury doesn't turn into "the reason" if things don't go the way DePauw would like it to. Like i've said though, I don't think it'll really matter. Nothing personal or any disrespect to anyone or any institution.. just my opinion.
Millsaps isn't Sewanee or Anderson, and DePauw isn't Austin or LC, but I don't think it matters..  :P (sorry. had to do a LITTLE trash talking. Read TigerDad's article above. That's my reasoning!)

With all due respect, that is one of the more funny posts I've had the pleasure of reading. If the Millsaps bus breaks down on the way from the hotel, and they must forfeit, would that not be the reason they lost? If the entire Millsaps OLine gets food poisoning and craps themselves half to death, would that not be a valid reason as to why the majors were less effective during the game? By the way, I hope neither happen.

I am not looking for excuses, because DePauw will not need any. If Marks doesn't play, Millsaps will have a clear advantage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on September 28, 2007, 10:50:24 AM
INQBscout,

Good one.

Latest:  (no joke) Marks is out for tomorrow.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 28, 2007, 11:39:25 AM
I seriously hope that both Marks and Joseph play, or both don't play!  Otherwise we'll have weeks of 'what-if' posts....  Injuries are a part of the game, for sure.  Depth at skilled positions kicks in when the injury bug bites....  We know about Millsaps 2nd QB (SCAC O-player of week last week),,, what about DePauw's rushing #2???

Comments?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2007, 11:58:55 AM
I know the DePauw guys have more of an answer, but the stats and game writeup from last week's game had Dorrius Ford as the feature back in place of Marks.  20 carries, 75 yards, long of 12; scored both touchdowns.   In the two prior games, 4 carries for 23 yards including one carry of 24.  Ford is a 5'9", 195 pound senior. 

Barrington Packnet (5'5", 180, FY) also saw significant action with 10 carries for 43 yards. long of 12.  It was his first action of the season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 28, 2007, 12:19:28 PM
I've got your back, Ron.

You've honestly got three or four choices.  Dorrius Ford is the smaller, faster, more experienced back.  Very explosive.  Very light on his feet and faster than all get out.  The only other senior in the backfield aside from Marks.  Doesn't break nearly as many tackles as Marks, but I'm not sure you'd expect him to do that, either.  As Ron mentioned, went for 76 yards on 20 carries with a couple of scores last week.

I did not see Barrington Packnett (if that is your real name), as he did not play in the Centre game.  Seems to be cut from the same mold, though.  Listed at 5'5" (!), 180.

From a bigger back standpoint, you've got both Elijah Campbell (who I really liked in the Centre game).  Good "downhill" runner.  Curtis Moore is also a choice.  Both guys are essentially cut from the Marks mold, both about 6'0" and 210, give or take.  Obviously a bit unpolished compared to #31, however.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2007, 12:33:37 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 27, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
Austin College looks great on paper, but when we drove through Sherman, the kid told me to keep on driving.  I think it's a bit too close to Sucklahoma or something. 

I've been on a lot of DIII campuses, and Austin College's facilities and host town, Sherman, are really not too bad compared to other places I've been.  We're not Middlebury, but we're far, far from some of the places in inner-city Philadelphia I've been, too. 

Sherman has everything a college kid needs to get into trouble, and Dallas is close enough if something creative is needed.  Plus, Sucklahoma, as you so eloquently put it, has plenty of casinos for late night fun. 

I dunno--with that kind of attitude, I might be glad you just kept driving.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2007, 01:59:04 PM
All the chatter has apparently done some good this week  ;D as DePauw and Millsaps both get some "air time" on this week's Triple Take (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/09/28/triple-take-who-needs-it-more).  Pat and K-Mack weigh in, have a look. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 28, 2007, 03:44:29 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2007, 12:33:37 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 27, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
Austin College looks great on paper, but when we drove through Sherman, the kid told me to keep on driving.  I think it's a bit too close to Sucklahoma or something. 

I've been on a lot of DIII campuses, and Austin College's facilities and host town, Sherman, are really not too bad compared to other places I've been.  We're not Middlebury, but we're far, far from some of the places in inner-city Philadelphia I've been, too. 

Sherman has everything a college kid needs to get into trouble, and Dallas is close enough if something creative is needed.  Plus, Sucklahoma, as you so eloquently put it, has plenty of casinos for late night fun. 

I dunno--with that kind of attitude, I might be glad you just kept driving.

I'm just having some fun. No offense intended.  No doubt it's one fine school.  The comment was just on the general geography of the area. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 28, 2007, 05:31:18 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 27, 2007, 10:32:33 PM
Austin College looks great on paper, but when we drove through Sherman, the kid told me to keep on driving.  I think it's a bit too close to Sucklahoma or something. 

Tex,
I lived in Sherman-Denison for a year once.  Your observations correspond with my experience.  Multiply that by twenty for the cold, icy winters and the miserably hot summer weather.  I'm sure Austin College is a fine institution and an up-and-coming football member of the SCAC.  My son goes to Trinity and likes it just fine.
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 28, 2007, 07:30:51 PM
We were at Trinity last year and had a great time, other than the final score.....the weather......the airlines......missing work on Monday.....seriously the campus was great and so were the various people we met. We grouped at a campus hangout before the game and they accommodated all of the DePauw parents quite nicely- I cannot remember the name of the establishment, but they were Trinity guys for multiple generations. I didn't see much of the campus, but the stadium and athletic fieldhouse was great. We spent some quality time in the fieldhouse waiting out the lightning- which was truly amazing. I have never seen lightning put on that kind of a show for that long.

We will welcome Trinity in a few weeks and hope to return the hospitality.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 28, 2007, 08:17:53 PM
Depauwdad...  glad you survived/enjoyed your SAT experience....  The watering hole you're probably speaking of is Bombay Bicycle Club...  Bill Leighton alum proprietor....  They've started showing our video-stream webcasts on the big-screen which are a big hit!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2007, 11:23:17 PM
Perhaps a little disinformation spread here earlier ... Jeremiah Marks is listed as the starter on the two deep (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2007/notes/millsapsnotes.pdf) for tomorrow's game (see page three).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on September 29, 2007, 09:23:52 AM
historymajor,

That's really great that 'bays puts the games up on their big screen.  It's a great bar and I hadn't thought about it in awhile. 

I imagine Tycoon Flats is another place that may have been a nice pregame watering hole for a visiting Tiger from Depauw.  San Antonio's a terrific city.  I sat in awe on several evenings watching lighting storms from my Thomas 7th floor balcony while I was an RA.  Football didn't have quite the following it does now and I didn't appreciate often enough the awesome downtown and stadium view I had.

I need to come back for a visit!

Tom
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 29, 2007, 12:17:42 PM
well today is the day. Hope everybody enjoys the games, and hopefully we don't have too many injuries and possible "what if" conversations coming from today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 01:45:32 PM
Wow - early in the 2nd quarter it is DPU 3, Millsaps 0 as Juan Joseph has been held to 4-14 passing.  I may be eating my words on a number of fronts if this keeps up.    ;)

Marks is not playing.

20-0 in San Antonio midway through the second quarter as B-SC just picked up their initial first down of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 01:48:55 PM
DPU just blocks a long Millsaps FG attempt and takes over on their 42 - three and out, Millsaps returns the punt near mid-field.  9:24 remaining in the half.

BSC scores on a 32-yd Joe Thigpen to Tay Walker pass to close to 20-7 with 3:42 left in the first half.   TU's Greg Bielski returns the ensuing kick 73 yards to extend the lead back to 20, 27-7. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 01:56:15 PM
Millsaps drives 64 yards in  six plays, culminating in a seven yard TD pass from Joseph to Luis Conley to take a 7-3 lead with 7:40 left in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 02:11:16 PM
DePauw tries to answer, driving to the Millsaps 15 from their own 37, but on fourth and two Dorrius Ford is stopped for no gain by Lee Kline.  Majors ball with 4:17 left.

Trinity starts a drive on their own 41 with 44 seconds left, get to the BSC 5 but can't punch it in and settle for Peter Lizcali's third field goal of the day to lead 30-7 at the half.  Blake Barmore is 17-19 for 232 yards and 1TD.  BTW I made a mistake earlier, the 73-yd Bielski score was a rush.

In Sherman Colorado College marches right down the field to take an early 7-0 lead.  Perfect football weather today. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 02:18:24 PM
Millsaps has a fourth-and-one just in DePauw territory with about a minute left but elects not to go for it.  That is showing the DPU defense some respect.  They go into the locker rooms in Greencastle with Millsaps clinging to a 7-3 lead.

Austin answers right back with a nice series of runs (and one short pass) to tie it at 7 with 8:20 to play in the first.  Not a lot of defense in Sherman so far. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 02:25:19 PM
... and CC comes right back down the field but AC gets a stop on third and short - 25 yd FG makes it 10-7 with 3"47 to play in the first.  Jon McDonald already has over 70 yards rushing including 30 on a play where he dropped the ball but it bounced right back into his hands - sort of an Aussie Rules looking sort of play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 02:52:26 PM
Trinity gets a 6-yard run from Chris Baer and now lead 37-7, 4:51 left in the third.

Millsaps misses a 23-yard field goal so they waste a Ronnie Wheat INT, still 7-3 there.

Brendan Ross returns an interception 90 yards to put Colorado College up 17-7, 6:35 left in the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 03:00:10 PM
Juan Joseph passes to Burt Pereira for 30 yards and a TD to extend the Majors lead to 14-3 with 6:12 left in the third. 

AC turns it over inside their 30, Max green scores around end from three yards out to extend the Colorado College lead to 23-7 (PAT blocked), 7:51 left in the half.

Second string's in for Trinity, QB Bryant Wilson scores on a one yard plunge to put Trinity up 44-7, 10:56 to play in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 03:10:35 PM
B-SC scores on an 80-yard pass from Thigpen to Arrington (!), 44-14 Trinity, 9:51 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 29, 2007, 03:17:32 PM
Rhodes is losing 10-3 at half at Wash U. It doesn't look at ugly as last week, but still the offense isn't looking great. starting RB averaging under 2 yds per carry. Lake ripped off a good 39 yd run. but that's been the only offensive highlight.

Sounds like my offensive shoot out theory was't quite on for Millsaps/Depauw, but there is still some football to play. But you can't deny that the lack of Marks has affected the Depauw Offensive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 29, 2007, 03:18:47 PM
Millsaps scores again...21-3 now after a TD pass from Joseph to Louis Conley.  Millsaps starting to click a little bit offensively.....Defense is dominant.  Early in 4th.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 29, 2007, 03:19:18 PM
I will say though that I wasn't far off on my offensive prediction about Millsaps. Joseph is tearing it up. 360 yds at the start of the 4th?? that's a good day at the office.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 03:26:55 PM
Now 28-3 in Greencastle after a 60-yard pass from Joseph to Eric McCarty.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 29, 2007, 03:32:42 PM

Throw out the 73 yard touchdown by Bielski, and it looks like the Tigers are getting less than 3 yards per carry.  Is Trinity not running the ball very well?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Gaunt on September 29, 2007, 03:34:05 PM
Millsaps has found the chink in the DePauw armor, 10-15 yard pass right to the middle... Its a damn TD every other time...

DPU is driving... And tiger TD!  PAT is good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 03:35:32 PM

Quote from: TU2698 on September 29, 2007, 03:32:42 PM

Throw out the 73 yard touchdown by Bielski, and it looks like the Tigers are getting less than 3  yards per carry.  Is Trinity not running the ball very well?

It's been a struggle.  Last week's performance against Colorado College was, I think, the only other time TU got over 100 yards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 03:47:10 PM
Austin College takes the second half kick and scores on a 10-play, 74 yard drive entirely on the ground.  23-14 Colorado College with five minutes gone in the third.

Millsaps gets it back to a 25 point lead, Juan Joseph to Josh Maharrey for 17 yards, 35-10, less than four minutes to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 03:55:47 PM
AC stops Colorado on their first possession and drives 65 yards, again totally on the ground, with Ross Hasten scoring on a pitch from 12 yards out.  It's 23-21 Colorado College with 5:32 left in the third quarter. 

Spud Dick scores from three yards out with less than a minute left but the Tigers still trail 35-17.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 29, 2007, 04:05:56 PM
Big Win for the Majors on the road. First time to win in the Hoosier state. The Tigers played tough in the first half. Millsaps had a 500+ yd. offensive effort and Juan wasn't his sharpest. He is also now the all time leader in completions for Millsaps. The defense is stout. The thing I like about this team is that they are continuing to improve  each week. Congrats Juan and the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 04:13:44 PM
A tale of two totally different halves in Sherman, where Austin College now leads Colorado College 28-23 with 11:55 to play.  Eric Shon made a huge adjustment on a poorly thrown fourth down pass from Kent Bell to keep the drive alive. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 04:20:08 PM
Make it 35-23 Austin with Zaq Mamot scoring off a perfectly timed pitch from Bell around right end from 15 yards out.  Colorado College fumbled the kick away, setting up the 'Roos in CC territory.

AC has over 400 yards rushing and has three backs over 100 yards already.  9:55 to play.
Title: SCAC Poll results
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 04:29:11 PM
What's the total score and outcome as Millsaps visits DePauw this weekend?

<= 20 points - DPU wins -0 (0%)
<= 20 points - Millsaps wins - 3 (9.7%)
21-39 points - DPU wins -9 (29%)
21-39 points - Millsaps wins -9 (29%)
>= 40 points - DPU wins -2 (6.5%)
>= 40 points - Millsaps wins -8 (25.8%)
   
Total Voters: 31
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 04:36:14 PM
With 4:17 to go, Colorado College scores on a 1-yard Jon McDonald dive and it's 35-30 Austin College. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2007, 04:49:27 PM
AC stops CC on a fourth-down at their forty and should pick up their first conference win.  With 1:09 left, Colorado College takes its last time out.   Still 25-20 AC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 29, 2007, 04:55:04 PM
With all due respect to the Trinity and Wabash programs... I will be stunned if DePauw plays a better team than the Millsaps Majors this season. Their defensive front seven is terrific - that DT Younger was swallowing up two blockers on every play and the Tigers couldn't generate anything on the ground. Offensively, that Joseph is the truth - he would have had something like 550 yards through the air if his receivers hadn't become afflicted with the drop-sies in the first half. Once the Majors figured out that DePauw's middle linebackers couldn't stay with the slot receivers on the seam, they had no problem scoring points.

The 35-17 score really isn't indicative of how the game really went, though - it was 14-3 after three and DePauw's defense did a pretty nice job pressuring Joseph and taking away the short pass. It was the deep ball that did us in.

Sure wish we could have had Marks today so you could have seen the Tiger offense at full speed... but the way your defense played it may not have mattered anyway. Hats off to the Majors, but don't count the Tigers out of things just yet.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 29, 2007, 05:14:14 PM
Back from Greencastle with a few thoughts...

DePauw just couldn't run the football today.  DePauw won't beat many teams, let alone one the caliber of Millsaps, if they only pull down 1.8 yards/carry.  Does Marks change that?  Probably some. 

DePauw's offense couldn't stay on the field.  Millsaps would put a few plays together to continually switch the field position in their favor.  Aside from 4 or 5 blown coverages with missed assignments, the DPU D played as well as I could have hoped through the first three quarters.  Got to the fourth with only 14 allowed.  Can't ask for much more than that.

On another note, Juan Joseph is probably the smartest quarterback I've seen play football in this conference in the 8 or so years I've been following it.  The guy just doesn't make bad decisions.  What a great performance from him.  Can't remember the last time somebody went for that many yards through the air on Depauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on September 30, 2007, 12:08:44 AM
Millsaps were the better team today. The Depauw offense is better than the 17 points scored today. I think the loss of both backfield starters (47 and 31) was a significant disadvantage to the DePauw attack. Had they both played the score would have been closer, but not sure that it would have affected the final outcome. Without the ability top run, DePauw couldn't keep Joseph off the field. The coaches for Millsaps noticed the open center of the field and scored at will after that. Majors and their fans are a class act. Best of luck.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 30, 2007, 02:25:54 AM
well the story from St Louis is that Rhodes lost 24-3. After looking at the stats, nothing really stands out, except the inability to convert 3rd and 4th downs (2/14 and 1/4 respectively) compared to stopping the other team on 3rd and 4th downs (6/19 and 4/6). If your offense can't stay on the field, and your defense can't get off the field... then it's harder to score points.

I will say this, the improvement in taking care of the ball is obvious. 1 fumble, 1 int. Not ideal, but much better than Birmingham last week. Rhodes needs to keep improving. it's important to go back home now and work hard and put everything behind us. Big games coming up and a long road trip over. get a win this week or next, get the positive attitude back up and we'll see what happens. could make for some interesting games down the stretch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 30, 2007, 06:04:50 AM
Quote from: DePauwDad on September 28, 2007, 08:21:02 AM

With all due respect, that is one of the more funny posts I've had the pleasure of reading. If the Millsaps bus breaks down on the way from the hotel, and they must forfeit, would that not be the reason they lost? If the entire Millsaps OLine gets food poisoning and craps themselves half to death, would that not be a valid reason as to why the majors were less effective during the game? By the way, I hope neither happen.

I am not looking for excuses, because DePauw will not need any. If Marks doesn't play, Millsaps will have a clear advantage.

   I'm glad you enjoyed the post! If Millsaps' bus would've broken down, I'm sure they would've walked the remainder of the way, and if the whole offensive line would've soiled themselves... well they're big boys and would've played through. It might have actually been an advantage. I wouldn't want to rush against them in that case!  ;D Anyway, either you're saying that Marks is the equivalent of an offensive line or an entire team, and I'm not sure that makes sense at all. DePauw is a very good team with or without any one player! And I never said anyone was looking for an excuse, just simply saying I hope that it doesn't become a "well if... then...", though it already seems it might head that way. 
  It's been awhile since any team has actually let Millsaps throw vertical, so it seemed to take awhile for them to get in sync, but that "pick your poison" offense finally got it going. Millsaps did also have some WIDE open receivers in the first half that got overlooked, too. Taking nothing from the DePauw D... they played an excellent game.
On the defensive side of the ball for Millsaps... well I wonder how many people are still sleeping on 'em..?
  Regardless, other than the some embarrassing DePauw fans that were behind the Millsaps bench, DePauw fans and players were great sports! Hats off to them!! Great game, and good luck to DePauw the remainder of the season. They're a first class program!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 30, 2007, 09:27:38 AM
I had planned to stop posting for the football season--a plan that only lasted a week.  With 7 sports to photograph at Millsaps this fall and plenty of Millsaps posts already here, I thought that it would be okay to take a break.  But I had to come back to make a comment about yesterday's game:

As is usually my habit, I listened to the opposing team's broadcast of the game.  I know what our announcers think about Millsaps, so I find it more interesting to hear the viewpoints of the opposing team's announcers.  I wanted to post today to say that I could not be more impressed with the job done by the guys at WGRE--they were outstanding.  They were knowledgable, well spoken, extremely honest and fair in their comments about the game, and it was just a great broadcast as is usually the case by the WGRE sport team.  (NOTE:  We know that the Millsaps broadcast is a totally different style that grates on the nerves of non-Millsaps listeners--please don't take my compliment of the DePauw crew as an opportunity to bash the Millsaps broadcast.)

Since I felt a need to post because of the above, let me get in a few other comments and thereby create one of my traditional "way too long" posts:

--While I'm glad to have a Millsaps victory, I would have preferred DePauw to be a full strength.  Millsaps went into the playoffs with an injured Tyson Roy last season so we've been where DePauw was yesterday.  Would a healthy Roy last year or a healthy Marks yesterday turned a defeat into a victory?  There's no way to know but it's a shame when a team has to play a big game without a key player.

--MS State went to Auburn earlier this year and won.  Auburn went to Florida yesterday and won.  The score gets reset to 0-0 every week and Millsaps can not afford to think that they now have a 1-game SCAC season.  They need to focus on getting better each week and being ready to play each week--I feel certain the players and coaches will do just that and they don't need a reminder from me.

--Bad news from the ASC.  MC lost to Hardin-Simmons 45-42 on a field goal in the last 7 seconds.  I was hoping for MC to go 9-1 (this is going with the common belief that UMHB will go undefeated in the ASC), Millsaps to win the SCAC, and then we could have a Millsaps vs. MC matchup in the first round of the playoffs.  That would have been an ironic twist to the Millsaps-MC saga, but it now seems unlikely.

--Hardin-Simmons in an interesting team for Millsaps followers.  They opened the season with a 47-21 home lost to #6 UW-La Crosse and a 52-42 road loss at #12 Linfield.  That has been followed by two games against teams Millsaps has also played.  Hardin-Simmons won 41-34 at home against Louisiana College, a team Millsaps beat 44-10 on the road, and Hardin-Simmons won 45-42 at MS College, a team that beat Millsaps 27-26 in a game that can be viewed from a variety of angles.

I know that some of this is like comparing apples and oranges (LC was playing their opener and Millsaps was playing their 2nd game, I believe MC has probably improved greatly since the first game, Hardin-Simmons had a long road trip to MC, etc.), but it still gives a small piece of the picture for those who are trying to see how teams compare against each other and how a team like Millsaps might compare against some of the nationally ranked teams.  Regardless, Millsaps still needs to get better in their pursuit of the SCAC title and then they can worry about how they compare to other teams in the playoffs.

--And finally, for all the increased volume on the SCAC board this year, there has been a noticeable lack of posts from Trinity.  I have a feeling that the Trinity folks and the Trinity team are enjoying all of this attention being focused on Millsaps and they are more than happy to let Millsaps think they are the new "King of the SCAC".  Last year was last year and I expect a very tough game when Trinity comes to Jackson.  I suspect they have been working on plays and packages all this season that are geared specifically for Millsaps and that should be a barnburner of a game.  Jackson will be a great place for D3 football on October 27th.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on September 30, 2007, 11:01:33 AM
Great post Frank! 100% correct!  ...and Trinity will no DOUBT be a great game, but both teams still do have to go one week at a time!! There are no clear cut favorites, and anyone can win any week! (Just look at D1 this weekend! What a mess the BCS will be now! Thank God for a playoffs system!  :o)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on September 30, 2007, 05:16:05 PM
Frank, I agree that there has been a lack in Trinity posting this year, and a rise for Millsaps. I hope this doesn't turn into a board where the defending SCAC Champs are the majority posters.

So let's stir up a little trinity emotions. Coming to Memphis this weekend for the first home game for the Lynx in a while. If I know Rhodes, they should be a little better than the past weeks given that they are at home. It's been 4 years since Trinity lost at Rhodes in 2003, and since then, the Lynx haven't put up much of a fight no matter where the game was played (yes I'm talking bad about myself for two of those years just so everybody knows).

I have no doubt in my mind that the Tigers will be focused and ready to play come saturday, but Rhodes generally gets a little more hyped up for them. I'm not calling upset (yet), but I think it could be closer than the experts think.

Haven't heard much about the Tigers this year. Any info on their situation??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2007, 05:45:37 PM
"The" Tigers?   :D   This is the SCAC, there's no such thing!

It's a fairly typical team from down in SA.  Good passing attack, not much run, pretty tough defensively and until yesterday nobody had gained 100 yds in the air on the Black Flag.  Little Urban (Caleb) resembles Big Urban (Jerheme, activated by the Cards today and has two catches for 35 yards at the half against Pittsburgh, btw) but is only the #3 or 4 WR.  QB Blake Barmore seems more effective than last year - and was solid then - and so far has stayed healthy.  I'm sure they know they have their work cut out for them - the next four weeks are @Rhodes, @DePauw, home for Sewanee, and @Millsaps. 

Rhodes wants to win because it's always fun to beat Trinity in Memphis and to turn the season around; DePauw wants to win out so they can have a shot at a pool C bid, and everyone knows what will be at stake if Trinity can beat those two and Sewanee. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 30, 2007, 05:56:17 PM

I wouldn't say that it's typical of the Tigers to not run the ball well or not score repetitively from 50 yards out.  I think that was the case last year but even with all the passing in previous years, Trinity has usually had a 1000 yard rusher.  Oh well, I'll take the results so far, which are typical.  Still they don't have the size or scoring power to take it easy on anyone.  This should be a tough game at Rhodes. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2007, 06:13:18 PM
1000 yard rusher?  Not recently.  In fact according to the Express-News the 100-yard game from Bielski was the first 100-yd effort since '04.   As far as recent leading rushers go:

Greg Bielski had 414 yards in 2006;
Jerrold Jones had 543 yards in 2005;
Jones had 1045 in 2004;
Ray Valencia had 789 in 2003.

So once in the last four years.  It's been a long time since the halcyon days of 2002 when Jeremy Boyce had 1500 yards - running has been a struggle more often than not since then. 

On a happier note, Jerheme Urban had two catches on the opening drive of the second half for the Cardinals and scored his second career NFL touchdown from six yards out.    Not too shabby for his first day back in the NFL since 2005; 4 catches, 50 yards, 1 TD, 1 tackle, and apparently one of the Pittsburgh DBs taunted him after a catch, drawing a flag! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 30, 2007, 08:22:19 PM

I don't really think 2004 was that long ago.  When a kid graduates and not one of his teammates rushed for over 1000 yards while he was there, I'll start to agree, but in the last decade, they've only had three seasons in which a back didn't reach 1000 yards.  I hope you're not thinking that the last two seasons in San Antonio are "typical" of Trinity football.  The win totals are similar, but the victory margins are certainly not. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2007, 08:52:03 PM
Ditto on the announcers from WGRE!

Why shucks!  Those guys are so good, I m' gonna give DPU3619 a Karma!   :D

Trinity's posting absence/restraint -- Measured wisdom.

I am looking forward to Millsaps at UMHB in the first round of the playoffs.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 30, 2007, 08:57:01 PM
Well gee, Ralph.  I sure appreciate it, but all I did was be the halftime interview guest.  lol. :D 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 30, 2007, 08:57:55 PM
hey im new here.  glad to see there are actually places to discuss DIII teams.

I was wondering what you guys think of Austin College this year.  They really seem to have improved over years past (at least the ones I've witnessed).  They are 2-3 now but it seems to me that they can win the next three and be 5-3 going into DePauw and Trinity.   Could my Roos actually have a winning season this year? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2007, 09:06:42 PM
Quote from: KentATM on September 30, 2007, 08:57:55 PM
Hey I'm new here.  Glad to see there are actually places to discuss DIII teams.

I was wondering what you guys think of Austin College this year.  They really seem to have improved over years past (at least the ones I've witnessed).  They are 2-3 now but it seems to me that they can win the next three and be 5-3 going into DePauw and Trinity.   Could my Roos actually have a winning season this year? 
Welcome aboard.  :)

I think that the Roos are another 2 years away from getting into the top echelon of the SCAC.

They are the same hard-working guys, but they can use some depth and experience.  I think that winning the next three and going 3-2 for the rest of the season means that they did not lose any games that they should not have lost, and the Roos will look at the Centre and McMurry games as reasons to work harder in the off-season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 30, 2007, 09:21:39 PM
yes, there is certainly lots to work on (like getting a passing game that teams must at least respect).  McMurry and Centre were both winable and if they had taken better care of the ball, they probably would have pulled them off.  Even  against Millsaps they played very tough and were in it late but again, the turnovers killed any chance they had.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 30, 2007, 09:46:52 PM
Quote from: KentATM on September 30, 2007, 08:57:55 PM
hey im new here.  glad to see there are actually places to discuss DIII teams.

I was wondering what you guys think of Austin College this year.  They really seem to have improved over years past (at least the ones I've witnessed).  They are 2-3 now but it seems to me that they can win the next three and be 5-3 going into DePauw and Trinity.   Could my Roos actually have a winning season this year? 
I was at the game yesterday.  I wish I would have met you.

I see them about once a year.  They are improving.  They had some good line play, punting, intensity, and a tough running back.  I wish them luck on their improvement.

+k for joining us.  Their are a couple of pick em  boards you may want to join.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2007, 09:49:04 PM
Big C, since this is only the 5th weekend of the season, I am still trying to figure the "Texas Subbracket".

Millsaps needs to win the SCAC.  Trinity might get a Pool C bid if they only lose to Millsaps.  Then Trinity goes up the interstate to Belton and Millsaps plays someone in the first round.  A 6-4 Austin College is more evidence that the move to the SCAC is what AC needed. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 30, 2007, 09:57:07 PM
heck, I'm just happy they are actually competitive now.  even if they only get to 5-5 that would be the best record they have had since I've been here.

of course you cant take any games for granted, they could lose the rest too.  They just have to keep plugging away, run their offense and take care of that ball.
Title: Re: Can anyone stop Millsaps? / Other week 5 Observations.
Post by: DPU3619 on September 30, 2007, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 30, 2007, 09:34:58 PM
One question / minor critique --- Has the stadium turf always been in poor condition? What is up with the field?? ---

Yes.  Some years worse than others.  This year seems to be particularly poor.  You may recall this post of mine:
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 23, 2007, 11:20:03 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 23, 2007, 07:43:07 PM
Thoughts on next Saturday?

What's the weather forecast for Greencastle, Indiana???

Better than the forecast for the field conditions. 

And letting it grow and watering won't help.  It's just bad.  It looked to me like it was a bit of an advantage for DePauw early.  The Millsaps skill players were slipping all over the place in the first quarter.

I think it's pretty sad that a school with the kind of money to rebuild every building on campus can't put down for a decent playing surface for the football team.  Really unfortunate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2007, 10:13:10 PM
Quote from: KentATM on September 30, 2007, 09:57:07 PM
heck, I'm just happy they are actually competitive now.  even if they only get to 5-5 that would be the best record they have had since I've been here.

of course you cant take any games for granted, they could lose the rest too.  They just have to keep plugging away, run their offense and take care of that ball.

I was at the game and was very impressed at the comeback yesterday.  Coach Gage made some good adjustments on both sides of the ball and Colorado just couldn't deal with them until it was too late.  It would have been easy to give up down 23-7 but the 'Roos kept their heads in the game and it paid off.   
Title: Re: Can anyone stop Millsaps? / Other week 5 Observations.
Post by: Carl Menist on September 30, 2007, 10:18:30 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 30, 2007, 10:11:37 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 30, 2007, 09:34:58 PM
One question / minor critique --- Has the stadium turf always been in poor condition? What is up with the field?? ---

Yes.  Some years worse than others.  This year seems to be particularly poor.  You may recall this post of mine:
Quote from: DPU3619 on September 23, 2007, 11:20:03 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 23, 2007, 07:43:07 PM
Thoughts on next Saturday?

What's the weather forecast for Greencastle, Indiana???

Better than the forecast for the field conditions. 

And letting it grow and watering won't help.  It's just bad.  It looked to me like it was a bit of an advantage for DePauw early.  The Millsaps skill players were slipping all over the place in the first quarter.

I think it's pretty sad that a school with the kind of money to rebuild every building on campus can't put down for a decent playing surface for the football team.  Really unfortunate.

The facilities are awesome --- The indoor track facility is nicer than LSU's (as in Louisiana State University) --- I can see strategically allowing the field to play more to the hnd of the team that prefers to hammer it up the middle --- nothing wrong with that --- Remember when the Celtics turned the heat on in the old Boston Garden in one of the last finals against the Lakers when Kareem was near or right at the end of his career.
Conditions can be to ones advantage or disadvantage

Again --- very impressed with the entire program / commitment at Depauw. very fine tradition and a credit to the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2007, 10:33:27 PM
Trinity is up to 12th in the latest D3football.com Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25.php?year=2007&week=5).  Millsaps received 5 votes. 
Title: Re: Can anyone stop Millsaps? / Other week 5 Observations.
Post by: DPU3619 on September 30, 2007, 11:15:03 PM
Quote from: Big C on September 30, 2007, 10:18:30 PM
I can see strategically allowing the field to play more to the hnd of the team that prefers to hammer it up the middle

I'm not sure it does play more to DePauw, though. 

If it's all torn up and crappy in between the hashes and nice outside the numbers, wouldn't one think that favors the team that's attempting to throw it all over the joint? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 01, 2007, 08:48:28 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2007, 10:33:27 PM
Trinity is up to 12th in the latest D3football.com Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25.php?year=2007&week=5).  Millsaps received 5 votes. 

As a Millsaps fan, you have to love this (yes, I'm being serious).  In week 4 Millsaps only trailed Trinity by 280 points (282 points to 2).  Thanks to the road victory at DePauw, Millsaps only slipped 30 additional points behind Trinity (315 points to 5) in week 5.  Since the polls don't matter at all in the SCAC Championship or the NCAA Playoffs, it seems to me that the thing that helps the Millsaps team the most with the polls is to continue to see Trinity ranked so high while Millsaps remains virtually unranked.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2007, 09:28:52 AM
Frank, I hope that the Millsaps fans will look at the polls and the tendency of poll voters to look at the long term evidence over numerous polls.  There is very little justification as of Week #5 to vote for a second SCAC team.

(I wish that we had a comparable flying-under-the-radar poll...

"Who is the best team that is breaking all of the conventional rules?")

Ask yourself two historical questions...

1) How often is there really a second strong team from the "one-trick-pony" SCAC?

2) Under the current pool system (since 1999), how many playoff games has someone from the SCAC other than Trinity won?

Concerning this week's poll, either Millsaps picked up 5 one-point votes, or the two voters from week #4 moved them from 25th to 24th/23rd.

The hard thing to comprehend is how hard it is to break into the Top 25 out of 238 teams.  On a comparable level for D-1 FBS, Millsaps is in the high teens of the Top 25.

The national voters are looking to see if Millsaps can win a playoff game (to be one of the last 16 teams playing in the tourney) and beat Trinity as a measure of a consistently ranked (low-teens/high Top10) program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 01, 2007, 09:33:14 AM
DPU: The only thing worse than the field was the little "hut" Millsaps players were huddled beside during half time. It looked like an over-sized closet! In addition, outside the hashes the grass seemed like it was 4 inches high, so I do not think it favored anyone! Really great atmosphere, though! There sure were a lot of people! I just can't imagine what it's like for away teams when ol' man winter rolls in!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 01, 2007, 09:53:01 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on October 01, 2007, 09:33:14 AM
DPU: The only thing worse than the field was the little "hut" Millsaps players were huddled beside during half time. It looked like an over-sized closet! In addition, outside the hashes the grass seemed like it was 4 inches high, so I do not think it favored anyone! Really great atmosphere, though! There sure were a lot of people! I just can't imagine what it's like for away teams when ol' man winter rolls in!!

What happens when winter comes to Greencastle?  This is what happens (http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=15236)...as fair warning downloading this video will probably drop the temperature in your home or office by at least 20 degrees...put on a jacket.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2007, 10:23:38 AM
The poll thing ... yeah, it's even money or better that none of the pollsters have actually seen Millsaps this year (one of the joys in being located in the widespread SCAC) so all they have to go on are stats and past results.   Like all polls there's a lot of inertia to overcome.  Fair or not, Millsaps probably won't sniff the top 25 unless they defeat Trinity. 

Re the snow thing ... right now I'd be happy for a day when the high wasn't in the 90's/upper 80's.  Maybe next weekend, they are saying.  Needless to say snow has become increasingly rare here in Far South Oklahoma. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 01, 2007, 10:53:59 AM
Ralph, I agree with you 100% and I totally understand why Millsaps wasn't ranked in the preseason and why they are still low on the voting list at the moment.  Let me list what I would think about Millsaps if I was a national voter and I wasn't extremly familiar with the program (SapHead, please note that I'm writing this from the viewpoint of another person):

Regarding the pre-season poll:
--Millsaps went 7-4 in 2006--that's not impressive.
--Millsaps lost to MC, Huntingdon, and Louisiana College in 2006--that's not impressive.
--Millsaps gave up 20.5 ppg last year--that's not impressive
--Millsaps beat Lincoln University, Centre, Austin, Sewanee and Rhodes--please don't kill the messager on this, but a national voter wouldn't find that impressive
--Millsaps beat DePauw and Trinity at home in a season that many would consider off seasons for those two teams--nice wins but they hardly make a team a lock for the top 25.
--Millsaps put up impressive offensive numbers against the above mentioned teams, but then they got into the playoffs and that 33 ppg turned into a goose egg once they faced an NCAA Playoff caliber team.

Regarding the current 2007 polls:
--Let's be honest, with Millsaps having 22 points in the preseason poll and MC having 9 points, a Millsaps win in that game would not have shot them up the rankings (with the win, MC only went to 12 points in the next poll).  It isn't that surprising to me that Millsaps went to zero with the loss--either because it confirmed all the points made above or because people were ticked off that Millsaps didn't give their best effort to win the game.
--Wins over LC, Austin, and Rhodes don't exactly prove that you should be in the top 25--please remember that I'm writing from the perspective of a national voter.
--A road win over DePauw is a nice win but they were missing their running attack.  Without Marks in the lineup, was that really such a big win?

OKAY, STOP RIGHT NOW BEFORE ALL YOU MILLSAPS PEOPLE CLICK ON THE REPLY BUTTON.  I know all of the situations and explanations behind the points that I made above.  I also know that a fair number of people from other SCAC might pick Millsaps to beat Trinity this season despite what the poll numbers show.  I also know that if I were voting on a top 25 out of 238 teams, I couldn't go and research all the oddities of every program. 

I fully understand why Millsaps isn't ranked at this time and why Trinity is, and I truly hope that Millsaps continues to stay unranked and Trinity gets up to #5 or so before the big showdown in Jackson.  That would be a plus for Millsaps, not a negative, and I know that Millsaps will be ranked in their proper spot, whatever that may be, when the season comes to a close.  I can wait.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 11:41:58 AM
I doubt Trinity will get up to No. 5 in our poll. The AFCA might move them there -- they have more of a tendency to promote teams just for not losing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 01, 2007, 11:44:41 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 11:41:58 AM
The AFCA might move them there -- they have more of a tendency to promote teams just for not losing.

This is the week for Centre!  I can feel it!  Go Colonels Go!   :D :D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on October 01, 2007, 12:21:22 PM
I can't believe DePauw had a bad playing surface.  Typically, it is one of the nicest in the SCAC.  The field in Danville always ranks as the world's most terrible playing surface, but all SCAC fields are at worst decent.  I think DePauw gains a significant psychological edge with the tiny visitor's locker room.  It is like Indiana (I think, perhaps Iowa) painting their visitor's locker room pink.  That tiny thing really gets under people's skin.  When I played, I could have never imagined winning at Greencastle.  Too long of a drive, too tiny of a locker room.  I was usually on the brink of insanity before the kickoff.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2007, 12:49:51 PM
+1 Frank!  I hope that your Millsaps friends will listen to your voice of sanity.

The next phenomenon that we see now in the Polls is what I call "float up".  A pollster won't "ding" a team too badly for "taking care of business"

In the D3Football.com, that is usually seen as:

1)  winning your games
2)  playing respectably against comparable or better competition. (#3 UW-Whitewater edges #6 UW-Lacrosse--no change for either team in the next poll, but solidified respect for the WIAC).
3)  understanding the issues that exist in the D3 rivalries (as the national media understands Auburn-Alabama, or Ohio St-Michigan, or OU-Texas).

Any progress by Trinity will be "floating up" as teams above them lose.  Millsaps probably gets very little boost, until they win a playoff game to designate that they are among the last 16 teams playing.

I really believe that the national voters are awaiting the declaration by Trinity and Millsaps that the SCAC is now a 2-team conference, and the "Texas sub-bracket" has 4 good teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 01, 2007, 01:57:45 PM
you mean national voters dont know the power of Kangaroo football?   ;D



actually, one thing that really sticks in my craw is that NOBODY here calls it Austin.  Its Austin College or AC.  Does Colorado College go by Colorado?  Why does the College always get dropped?   Its not the biggest deal but its annoying.  It'd be like if people started calling Texas A&M or Texas Tech simply by the name Texas.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 01, 2007, 02:55:01 PM
Things used to be simple in the SCAC when we could call each school by the first name.  Millsaps, Trinity, DePauw, Rhodes, Southwestern, Centre, Sewanee, Oglethorpe, Hendrix, and ooops Rose-Hulman.   Well, we got tired of having to use a double name for Rose and kicked them out of the conference.  But then we got Austin College, Colorado College, and Birmingham-Southern whom we have to call by the full name....makes life harder.  We tried to get Austin to go for with the first name...but to no avail.   ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 01, 2007, 02:56:19 PM
Frank: I entirely agree. Millsaps has a loss and from a national standpoint, I totally see why they're unranked at the moment. I think it will actually do wonders for the team, and the conference.
For years all anyone has heard about in the SCAC is Trinity, but now there is competition. All bias aside, I think it's wonderful for the conference! Millsaps has given Trinity a reason to work harder, and shown other SCAC teams it can be done. Those combined, there's a breeding ground for competition in the SCAC that will do nothing but enhance the conference on a national level, and definately prepare the SCAC winner for the national playoffs. So, regardless of who you root for, we can all just hope that the SCAC starts to garner more national attention, and maybe soon enough, we'll be talking about 2 or 3 SCAC teams that can compete with any of the top25 (...best teams... not just the polls) :o!

Ferric: The middle of the field was dirt with grass sprouts, and the perimeter was grass about 3" tall. It wasn't so much bad as it was inconsistent... if that makes sense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 03:05:27 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 01, 2007, 01:57:45 PM
actually, one thing that really sticks in my craw is that NOBODY here calls it Austin.  Its Austin College or AC.  Does Colorado College go by Colorado?  Why does the College always get dropped?   Its not the biggest deal but its annoying.  It'd be like if people started calling Texas A&M or Texas Tech simply by the name Texas.

Because there is no Austin University, but there is a University of Colorado.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 01, 2007, 03:21:36 PM
KentATM, they do call them A&M and Tech!   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 01, 2007, 03:30:48 PM
just saying nobody here calls it Austin.  Its Austin College or AC.  I just wonder where dropping the College part came from b/c it seems to happen on other media outlets as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 03:32:34 PM
What I told you was why.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 01, 2007, 03:38:39 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 01, 2007, 03:30:48 PM
just saying nobody here calls it Austin.  Its Austin College or AC.  I just wonder where dropping the College part came from b/c it seems to happen on other media outlets as well.
I believe it is technically called The Colorado College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 01, 2007, 03:39:36 PM
Just real quick regarding Austin/Austin College/AC...the official Austin College stance is just that, it's Austin College.  The reasoning behind this is mainly driven by the fact that we want to distinguish ourselves from Austin, TX, and clear up any confusion people may have.  We are not anywhere near Austin, but if you just say "Austin" that's automatically what people assume.

It's not a huge deal for me either way, but just wanted to pipe in what the official stance, as far as I've been told and heard anyway, is at Austin College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 01, 2007, 03:44:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2007, 10:23:38 AM
The poll thing ... yeah, it's even money or better that none of the pollsters have actually seen Millsaps this year (one of the joys in being located in the widespread SCAC) so all they have to go on are stats and past results.   Like all polls there's a lot of inertia to overcome.  Fair or not, Millsaps probably won't sniff the top 25 unless they defeat Trinity. 

Re the snow thing ... right now I'd be happy for a day when the high wasn't in the 90's/upper 80's.  Maybe next weekend, they are saying.  Needless to say snow has become increasingly rare here in Far South Oklahoma. 
Don't worry about that.  Two or three years ago Occidental was low in the rankings.  This helped them play the underdog role in the playoffs.  Before that, Redlands played St. Johns tough  as an underdog.  Recognition will come during playoff time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: jekelish on October 01, 2007, 03:39:36 PM
We are not anywhere near Austin, but if you just say "Austin" that's automatically what people assume.

Not sure why "Austin College" makes that any different.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 01, 2007, 03:56:34 PM
I don't see how it does either Pat, I'm just stating what the college prefers...it's why it always says "Austin College" on our jerseys instead of just "Austin," and it's why all of our press releases from every department MUST say "Austin College" rather than just Austin. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on October 01, 2007, 04:11:16 PM
Wait, let me get this straight, Austin College isn't in Austin?  Ha!
And by the way, it's not Millsaps, it is "The Millsaps Methodist College of 1890 located near the ghetto, adjacent to C.S.'s, "The Best Burgers in Town, Honest."

Sorry, I just had to do it. 
-1 for me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 01, 2007, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on October 01, 2007, 02:56:19 PM
Frank: I entirely agree. Millsaps has a loss and from a national standpoint, I totally see why they're unranked at the moment. I think it will actually do wonders for the team, and the conference.
For years all anyone has heard about in the SCAC is Trinity, but now there is competition. All bias aside, I think it's wonderful for the conference! Millsaps has given Trinity a reason to work harder, and shown other SCAC teams it can be done. Those combined, there's a breeding ground for competition in the SCAC that will do nothing but enhance the conference on a national level, and definately prepare the SCAC winner for the national playoffs. So, regardless of who you root for, we can all just hope that the SCAC starts to garner more national attention, and maybe soon enough, we'll be talking about 2 or 3 SCAC teams that can compete with any of the top25 (...best teams... not just the polls) :o!

Ferric: The middle of the field was dirt with grass sprouts, and the perimeter was grass about 3" tall. It wasn't so much bad as it was inconsistent... if that makes sense.

Funny, I don't remember you ever playing in Greencastle. I know that year Ferric had about five tackles in the trenches that game compared to your career (according to the SCAC website) zero tackles. So I think his opinion about the field conditions hold a little more water.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 01, 2007, 05:10:15 PM
I've read that last post several times and I can't make heads or tails of it.  I've never played in Greencastle but I think I could accurately report on the condition of the field or I could accurately relay a report if I got it from one of the players or the coaches.  Does one have to have some career tackles to determine the height of grass or the lack of grass in the center of a field?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 01, 2007, 05:24:13 PM
Quote from: consultant on October 01, 2007, 02:55:01 PM
Things used to be simple in the SCAC when we could call each school by the first name.  Millsaps, Trinity, DePauw, Rhodes, Southwestern, Centre, Sewanee, Oglethorpe, Hendrix, and ooops Rose-Hulman.   Well, we got tired of having to use a double name for Rose and kicked them out of the conference.  But then we got Austin College, Colorado College, and Birmingham-Southern whom we have to call by the full name....makes life harder.  We tried to get Austin to go for with the first name...but to no avail.   ;)



I listened to the audio of the Trinity - Birmingham-Southern game online.  (Video didn't work.)  The announcer kept referring to BSC as just "Birmingham."  I guess we all get a little lazy and truncate long names into something easier to say.  It's funny how UAB has been trying to get national broadcasters (ESPN, etc.) to say "UAB" and they persist in saying "Alabama-Birmingham."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 01, 2007, 06:55:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: jekelish on October 01, 2007, 03:39:36 PM
We are not anywhere near Austin, but if you just say "Austin" that's automatically what people assume.

Not sure why "Austin College" makes that any different.

well, its kind of like when a person goes by Mary Anne instead of just Mary.  Thats what she wants to be called so that what you should call her.

Oh, and I'm not trying to rip ya'll.   Its not your fault its getting written incorrectly elsewhere.  If you always saw it written as Austin College, odds are thats what you would say. (just like you would call her Mary Anne)

again, its not a big thing.  just a minor annoyance. 

sorry to come in here and be whiny off the bat.   :-\ 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 01, 2007, 07:15:41 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on October 01, 2007, 04:11:16 PM
Wait, let me get this straight, Austin College isn't in Austin?  Ha!

For the sake of embarassment, it took me until about February of this year to finally figure out that Austin College was, in fact, not in Austin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 01, 2007, 07:29:58 PM
Austin College faces a double whammy in Texas !!   ::)  The typical conversation goes like this:

(Person 1)  Where do you go to college?
(AC student) Austin College.
(Person 1) Oh, You're a longhorn!
(AC student) No.
(Person 1) Oh, You go to school in Nacogdoches!
(AC student) Austin College is in Sherman.
(Person 1)  Where is Sherman?  or   Never heard of it!

I wish I had a dollar for everytime I have been in that conservation loop!!!!!   ;D ;)

You have to learn to live through it and just educate the masses.   ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 07:33:00 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 01, 2007, 06:55:26 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 03:46:35 PM
Quote from: jekelish on October 01, 2007, 03:39:36 PM
We are not anywhere near Austin, but if you just say "Austin" that's automatically what people assume.

Not sure why "Austin College" makes that any different.

well, its kind of like when a person goes by Mary Anne instead of just Mary.  Thats what she wants to be called so that what you should call her.

Oh, and I'm not trying to rip ya'll.   Its not your fault its getting written incorrectly elsewhere.  If you always saw it written as Austin College, odds are thats what you would say. (just like you would call her Mary Anne)

again, its not a big thing.  just a minor annoyance. 

sorry to come in here and be whiny off the bat.   :-\ 

No offense, but Catholic wants to be known as "The Catholic University of America" and Trinity (Conn.) wants to be known as "Trinity College" and Washington U. wants to be known as "Washington University in St. Louis" but they're not getting them either.

Our policy, like the AP's, is fairly simple. If "College" or "University" is needed to distinguish two schools, we'll use it. Otherwise, nobody gets that in their name on our site.

Sure saves a lot of room in the database, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 01, 2007, 07:40:02 PM
Pat,

No problem.  Just relating the issues we face down here in Texas!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 07:42:28 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on October 01, 2007, 05:24:13 PM
I listened to the audio of the Trinity - Birmingham-Southern game online.  (Video didn't work.)  The announcer kept referring to BSC as just "Birmingham."  I guess we all get a little lazy and truncate long names into something easier to say.  It's funny how UAB has been trying to get national broadcasters (ESPN, etc.) to say "UAB" and they persist in saying "Alabama-Birmingham."

Probably because "UAB" isn't very descriptive and doesn't tell the listener anything about what the school is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 01, 2007, 08:25:50 PM
Quote from: Chronological Order on October 01, 2007, 04:19:47 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on October 01, 2007, 02:56:19 PM
Ferric: The middle of the field was dirt with grass sprouts, and the perimeter was grass about 3" tall. It wasn't so much bad as it was inconsistent... if that makes sense.

Funny, I don't remember you ever playing in Greencastle. I know that year Ferric had about five tackles in the trenches that game compared to your career (according to the SCAC website) zero tackles. So I think his opinion about the field conditions hold a little more water.


Uh, I don't remember anyone saying he was wrong. It very well might have been fairway grass the past ten years, but it wasn't this year. I'm quite certain that I was simply depicting the field conditions last Saturday. So, other than a (personally stab), is there merit or a point to your comment?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on October 01, 2007, 09:35:37 PM
Pat Coleman...repectfully

UAB tells about as much as USC or UCLA... as to folks in parts of the south USC = the new home of the ole ball coach (evil genius when he was at florida), and UCLA = upper corner of LA (lower alabama)...LA = Lower Alabama..... i even saw USC on the ESPN broadcast  for u of south carolina

any way....UAB was the site of the first kidney transplant in the USA ( and i do not men university of south alabama...which goes by USA)

as far as what yall decide to call austin...i mean austin college...i ain't got a dawg in that fight (perhaps michael vick does...is he from Va Tech...or VPI...or VPI & SU... it was VPI when i was a post doc there in the early 80's...?)

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2007, 10:46:44 PM
Quote from: AF4 on October 01, 2007, 09:35:37 PM
Pat Coleman...repectfully

UAB tells about as much as USC or UCLA... as to folks in parts of the south USC = the new home of the ole ball coach (evil genius when he was at florida), and UCLA = upper corner of LA (lower alabama)...LA = Lower Alabama..... i even saw USC on the ESPN broadcast  for u of south carolina

any way....UAB was the site of the first kidney transplant in the USA ( and i do not men university of south alabama...which goes by USA)

as far as what yall decide to call austin...i mean austin college...i ain't got a dawg in that fight (perhaps michael vick does...is he from Va Tech...or VPI...or VPI & SU... it was VPI when i was a post doc there in the early 80's...?)

keep the faith


I agree about USC, since it's for more than one team.

However, those teams have a little more of a history and are a touch more well-known. Kind of apples and oranges.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 02, 2007, 03:51:50 AM
well anyway, I was talking to one of the players and he said Coach Gage didn't even make an adjustment at the half of the AC-CC game.  He said Gage chewed on them a bit for mistakes and to get out there and play like he knew they could and should.  Said they shouldn't have to adjust if they played their guts out. 

Must have been some speech. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2007, 08:10:55 AM
This week's schedule has the following games:

Centre @ Millsaps
Trinty @ Rhodes
Austin COLLEGE @ The University of the South aka Sewanee
DePauw @ Birmingham Southern University aka BSU
Colorado College @ Macalester

At first glance, the only game that looks close is the Austin vs. Sewanee game and maybe the Colorado vs. Macalester game.  It's hard to know about Macalester--they beat Principia 62-0 early in the season, but lost to Hamline last week 37-6.  I'll admit that those results tell me nothing.

Anyone have thoughts on this weeks slat of games?  Will Rhodes make a stand in Memphis or have the last 2 games taken all the wind out of their sails?  Trinity scored on 8 of their first 9 possession against BSU and Rhodes didn't score on BSU until midway through the 4th quarter.  Regardless of all the differing circumstances, that makes this game seem awfully lopsided.

Centre lost big at DePauw and Millsaps won big on the same field.  It makes me think that we could see something like a 48-7 score at Millsaps Saturday unless the Millsaps team takes a week off in concentration and intensity.  I think that's the only thing this game will tell us--does this Millsaps team come to play full speed every game or will they have their lapses like they seemed to have at points last year (as in the Sewanee game on the road)?

And after last weeks big comeback, will Austin College carry that momentum into this week's game?  Sewanee has 3 straight losses but seem to play fairly well at home.  I think they'll pull out all the stops to get a win at home this weekend and my gut feeling is that they'll pull out a victory in a game that will probably be over in a couple of hours between these two teams who love the run.

Anyone else with an opinion?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 02, 2007, 09:23:59 AM
OK, we've settled the Austin COLLEGE thing.  Lets now work on Birmingham-Southern COLLEGE, not UNIVERSITY.  And it's BSC, not B-SC as I've seen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 02, 2007, 09:38:12 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2007, 08:10:55 AM
This week's schedule has the following games:

Centre @ Millsaps
Trinty @ Rhodes
Austin COLLEGE @ The University of the South aka Sewanee
DePauw @ Birmingham Southern University aka BSU
Colorado College @ Macalester

At first glance, the only game that looks close is the Austin vs. Sewanee game and maybe the Colorado vs. Macalester game.  It's hard to know about Macalester--they beat Principia 62-0 early in the season, but lost to Hamline last week 37-6.  I'll admit that those results tell me nothing.

Anyone have thoughts on this weeks slat of games?  Will Rhodes make a stand in Memphis or have the last 2 games taken all the wind out of their sails?  Trinity scored on 8 of their first 9 possession against BSU and Rhodes didn't score on BSU until midway through the 4th quarter.  Regardless of all the differing circumstances, that makes this game seem awfully lopsided.

Centre lost big at DePauw and Millsaps won big on the same field.  It makes me think that we could see something like a 48-7 score at Millsaps Saturday unless the Millsaps team takes a week off in concentration and intensity.  I think that's the only thing this game will tell us--does this Millsaps team come to play full speed every game or will they have their lapses like they seemed to have at points last year (as in the Sewanee game on the road)?

And after last weeks big comeback, will Austin College carry that momentum into this week's game?  Sewanee has 3 straight losses but seem to play fairly well at home.  I think they'll pull out all the stops to get a win at home this weekend and my gut feeling is that they'll pull out a victory in a game that will probably be over in a couple of hours between these two teams who love the run.

Anyone else with an opinion?


not sure the AC/Sewanee game will necessarily be close.  After all, AC killed Sewanee (44-20) last season at Sewanee, and the 'Roos are clearly an improved team this season.  they SHOULD be able to handle Sewanee...but of course, that's why they play the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 02, 2007, 09:59:02 AM
Quote from: oldmoose on October 02, 2007, 09:23:59 AM
OK, we've settled the Austin COLLEGE thing.  Lets now work on Birmingham-Southern COLLEGE, not UNIVERSITY.  And it's BSC, not B-SC as I've seen.
Thanks, oldmoose!

The hyphen served to distinguish B(-)SC from BSC (long-time D3 member Bridgewater State College in Massachusetts).   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2007, 10:43:41 AM
Oops!  It's hard to keep all of these schools straight just as I find it hard to remember the names of all the student/athletes at Millsaps.  I'm going to take the simple approach from now on and go back to being on a first name basis with all the colleges and universities in the SCAC.  Afterall, this is the SCAC message board and I think most readers will figure it out, especially those who were smart enough to get a degree from an SCAC school! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 02, 2007, 11:16:43 AM
Boy, am I in trouble.  I got my degree from an SEC school.  At least I didn't major in Sociology at an SEC school!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 02, 2007, 11:52:15 AM
New AFCA....

Trinty up to #11.  Millsaps finally gets 4 votes.  Centre falls like a rock to 4 votes after being the third team out last week.

http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1253782
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 02, 2007, 12:13:22 PM
Centre @ Millsaps
Trinty @ Rhodes
Austin COLLEGE  ;) @ The University of the South aka Sewanee
DePauw @ Birmingham Southern University aka BSU
Colorado College @ Macalester
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 02, 2007, 12:13:44 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on October 02, 2007, 11:16:43 AM
Boy, am I in trouble.  I got my degree from an SEC school.  At least I didn't major in Sociology at an SEC school!

guess i'm in trouble as well, being a Big East graduate...but at least it wasn't West Virginia.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2007, 12:32:38 PM
SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week
(For games played Saturday, Sept. 29th)


JUAN JOSEPH OF MILLSAPS COLLEGE, a 6-2, 178-pound junior quarterback from Edgard, La., has been selected the SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 29.

Joseph returned to the starting lineup in impressive fashion, completing 32 of 56 passes for 475 yards and five touchdowns to lead the Majors to a 35-17 road win over DePauw to move into first place in the SCAC.

The nation's ninth-ranked passer heading into the contest, Joseph hit 11 different receivers en route to a career day, breaking Beau Pollard's (1995-98) career completion record of 365 on a fourth quarter, 62-yard touchdown strike to Eric McCarty. It was Joseph's 26th completion of the game and fourth TD pass.

For the season, Joseph is leading the SCAC in passing (336.2 yards per game) and total offense (323.2 yards per game) and is third in pass efficiency (152.5 rating). He has thrown 15 touchdown passes with just two interceptions in four games.


SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week

RONNIE WHEAT OF MILLSAPS COLLEGE, a 6-0, 200-pound senior linebacker from Vancleave, Miss., has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 29.

Wheat picked up six tackles (all solo), a tackle-for-loss, a sack and a 20-yard interception return to help lead the Majors to their first win ever at DePauw on Saturday by a 35-17 score.

The interception was his second of the season and fifth for his career while adding to his career total of 128 tackles.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2007, 12:35:17 PM
At 4 points each, the AFCA has deemed this week's Centre vs. Millsaps game as a toss-up.  I was hoping Centre would still be the higher ranked team so Millsaps would get credit for an upset victory if they win this Saturday.  It hardly seems fair that Centre would plummet like this after recording their biggest win of the season--just their luck that a few of the voters would actually wake up in the third week of voting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2007, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on October 02, 2007, 11:52:15 AM
New AFCA....

Trinty up to #11.  Millsaps finally gets 4 votes.  Centre falls like a rock to 4 votes after being the third team out last week.

http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1253782

Gee, why is this? Centre won last week!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gil68 on October 02, 2007, 04:04:12 PM
The post about the SCAC players of the week inaccurately says it is Millsaps first win at Depauw as Millsaps won there in 1994.  I'm guessing it is their first SCAC win at DePauw?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2007, 04:43:47 PM
You'd have to talk to the SCAC front office; I just cut-and-pasted their release.

We have a new columnist and column this week for Around the South (http://www.d3football.com/aroundtheregion/south/2007/Millsaps+puts+up+Major+numbers) ... someone you DPU folks should be familiar with, Wes Anderson.  Welcome Wes, and good job!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 02, 2007, 05:57:15 PM
I echo Ron's comments Wes, a nice job on your first regional column! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 02, 2007, 07:17:20 PM
Aw shucks fellers.  Thanks.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2007, 12:25:04 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson (DPU3619) on October 02, 2007, 07:17:20 PM
Aw shucks fellers.  Thanks.   :)
He has been outed!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2007, 11:00:40 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2007, 01:30:21 PM
Quote from: DPU3619 on October 02, 2007, 11:52:15 AM
New AFCA....

Trinty up to #11.  Millsaps finally gets 4 votes.  Centre falls like a rock to 4 votes after being the third team out last week.

http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1253782

Gee, why is this? Centre won last week!

Since Centre's rise in the poll seems to have been initiated by their big loss to DePauw, maybe a big enough loss at Millsaps will vault Centre into the Top 25.  :) :) :)

While I think Pat hit the nail on the head a couple of weeks ago that Centre was getting votes that were actually intended for a school with a similar name, it is hard to believe that one or more voters are still making this mistake after 3 weeks of voting. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 03, 2007, 11:37:51 AM
was he talking about a school called Central thats getting mixed up with Centre?  Central is now 5-0 and ranked #7.  They are the only school that has a name remotely close Centre. 

Regardless, thats pretty sad if they are making that mistake.  Its probably not even the coach thats doing the voting.  I'm sure just like at big schools some lazy coaches just have graduate assistants, secretaries and other subordinates fill out their ballots.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2007, 12:04:55 PM
If only I had known that I was having a violent disagreement with the future SR columnist ...  :o


;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 03, 2007, 12:31:49 PM
DPU3619 (Wes);

I'd like to add my kudos as well ... this week's ATS is some good reading and nicely done.  Now I guess we'll have to wait a couple weeks to read your take on this year's Trinity Tigers.  The past couple of columns are a little too "Millsaps-heavy" for my taste.  I don't think TU's quite ready to concede the title ... but, I would say that, wouldn't I?  ;D

Thanks for taking on the job and keep up the good work!
(Trinity)TigerDad
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 03, 2007, 12:37:40 PM
QuoteAustin College offensive line selected to D3football Team of the Week

OL Justin Duncan, Jace Powell, Michael Gill, Tony Martinez, Gary Sullivan, Austin
The Austin offensive line cleared the way for 422 yards on 69 rushing attempts in a come-from-behind win over Colorado College, 35-30. Down 23-7 in the third quarter, the line blocked for four unanswered rushing touchdowns over a span of 15 minutes.

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 03, 2007, 12:44:22 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 03, 2007, 12:31:49 PM
DPU3619 (Wes);

I'd like to add my kudos as well ... this week's ATS is some good reading and nicely done.  Now I guess we'll have to wait a couple weeks to read your take on this year's Trinity Tigers.  The past couple of columns are a little too "Millsaps-heavy" for my taste.  I don't think TU's quite ready to concede the title ... but, I would say that, wouldn't I?  ;D

Thanks for taking on the job and keep up the good work!
(Trinity)TigerDad


We'll fit you in there!  I promise!  I didn't forget about you guys.  I'd like to, but you just don't ever seem to go away.   :D  Trinity's caused enough anguish since I came to DePauw that I'd just as soon not have to sing their praises anymore.  :) 

On a more serious note, I sort of decided on my own that I could only cover a couple of main topics and still be as thorough and complete as I wanted to be.  I didn't want it to be so long that it was a 15 or 20 minute read just to get through it.  With the Millsaps/DePauw game last week, and then the big UMHB/HSU game this week, I had to consolidate my TU conversation a little bit this week.  I assure you there's plenty to come with the big DePauw and Millsaps games on the horizon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2007, 01:37:20 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 03, 2007, 12:31:49 PM
DPU3619 (Wes);
...
Now I guess we'll have to wait a couple weeks to read your take on this year's Trinity Tigers.  The past couple of columns are a little too "Millsaps-heavy" for my taste.  I don't think TU's quite ready to concede the title ... but, I would say that, wouldn't I?  ;D

Yeah, they don't write about Mount Union too much until the post-season, either.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2007, 01:45:11 PM
That's only because we took down the one in between.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 04, 2007, 11:28:02 AM
It will probably surprise no one that Coach DuBose finds some fault with the way the Millsaps team has played this season.  Here's a story from today's local newspaper:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071004/SPORTS030105/710040340/1085/SPORTS
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 04, 2007, 02:55:43 PM
Frank ... thanks for the link on the DuBose story.  I'm guessing most teams are still not putting a full 60 minutes together quite yet.  By the way, if you know the webmaster for Millsaps football, you might suggest that they change either the photo or the caption on their "News" page (http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/news.shtml).  The ROOS logo on the helmets kind of clashes with the DePauw game score.
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 04, 2007, 04:09:52 PM
TigerDad--At first I was going to say that the reason they didn't use a photo from the DePauw game was because I didn't travel to DePauw to take photos.  Then I realized that I didn't travel to Austin College as well, so that put a gaping hole in my explanation.  I'll mention it to the SID at Millsaps.

I'll be interested to see how the Trinity-Rhodes game comes out this weekend.  Rhodes will become the first common opponent between Trinity and Millsaps this year.  I doubt that the results will be very meaningful in trying to make a prediction on the October 27th matchup between Trinity and Millsaps, but at least it will give us all something new to talk about.  Here's hoping that the Trinity team and fans all have a safe trip to and from Memphis.  Naturally that wish for save travel goes to all the teams and fans who will be on the road this weekend.

PS--Big C got his post in while I was typing--thanks for that reminder and I'm going to set my watch alarm right now so I don't forget over the next 5 hours.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on October 05, 2007, 02:03:07 PM
You have to love Frank's posts; he is always covering his bases.  I know the Rhodes / Trinity game will be great and will probably spark tons of conversation comparing Millsaps and Trinity, but does this kind of stuff really mean anything.  I know it is cliche, but "That's why we play the games." 

To give a wonderful example of the, "They lost to them, and we beat them" logic:

Regarding last year's Millsaps Season

Millsaps beat
Trinity TX beat
DePauw who beat
Hope who beat
Albion who beat
Butler who beat
Dayton who beat
Robert Morris who beat
Central Conn St beat
Georgia Southern who beat
Western Carolina who beat
Eastern who beat
Western Kentucky who beat
Southern Illinois who beat
Indiana who beat
Iowa who beat
Iowa St beat
Missouri who beat
Mississippi who beat
Vanderbilt who beat
Georgia who beat
Auburn who beat
Florida

Therefore Millsaps could have beaten Florida.  Duh!

Chronological Order sent me this list, so the credit goes to him (I don't know where he digs these things up). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 05, 2007, 02:12:26 PM
It should say Eastern "Kentucky" beat Western Kentucky.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on October 05, 2007, 02:26:17 PM
Completely off subject and for that I apologize, but did anyone know that Presidential candidate Fred Thompson's wife Jeri Kehn Thompson graduated in English literature from DePauw.  Kind of an impressive little lady once you get past the whole "trophy wife / not a trophy wife" deal.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 05, 2007, 09:21:32 PM
ok having been on a business trip all week in the middle of nowhere, I've been totally out of touch with everything that has been going on here. I did feel that a little piece of me was missing by not even being able to check the posts.

With that prefix, Rhodes will more than likely lose this week. I don't think they have gotten the offensive problems worked out just yet. And the defense will do what it can, but after the last showing, i'm not holding my breath.

please please let me be wrong.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on October 06, 2007, 06:47:05 AM
HunterT,

I think your assessment is spot on.  I'm still trying to figure out how I can record the video or audio here in Japan!

My guess is that Trinity will try to run the ball effectively to reinforce last week's effort.  Can TU do it on the road?  We'll see.  I attended a couple of games while living in Millington (outside of Memphis) a few years ago.  It was a lot of fun, the Rhodes fans had a great time and were very supportive.  The campus is Ivy League-like.  Hampton to Urban, Hampton to Urban.  The salad days...  They did the same thing in Jackson back then.

I think TU now understands that they don't have the big names - teamwork across the board will decide the day. 

The 93 degree forecast (no typo) shouldn't be an issue for the men from San Antonio.  Wish I could be there.

Go Tigers!!

Tom
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 02:09:42 PM
Trinity - two offensive plays, two turnovers.  Rhodes leads 3-0 early.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 02:41:04 PM
Rhodes has dictated play throughout the game and picked off another TU pass deep to deflect Trinity's only threat so far.  A Rhodes drive to the Trinity 20 is turned back by a holding penalty.  Early in the second it's still 3-0 Lynx.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 06, 2007, 02:51:50 PM
Score tied at 6 at 4:00 left in the first between Sewanee and AC.   Live video feed available from Sewanee's web page for those who may be interested.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 02:53:27 PM
Trinity puts together by far their best offensive series, scoring on a 13-yd Barmore pass, 7-3 with 6:05 left in the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 03:18:44 PM
Rhodes-Trinity video feed is totally gone now (it was never very good), nothing coming over the audio feed either. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 06, 2007, 03:24:57 PM
13-6 AC with 1:05 left in the 1st half after AC puts together the first sustained drive for either offense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 06, 2007, 03:26:20 PM
Just spoke with the guys in the broadcast booth at Rhodes ... their Internet connection through Rhodes is down with no known fix time.  Score at halftime is Trinity 10, Rhodes 3.

Both audio and videocasts are presently offline and unavailable.  More info when available ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 06, 2007, 03:29:21 PM
Trinity vs. Rhodes Audio feed is back online.  Visit www.pawsfootball.com for updates as they are available.  Link to audio feeds are there also .. see "WEBCAST" page & links.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 03:30:23 PM
At the start of the second half in Jackson the score is Millsaps 9 Centre 7.  Millsaps returns kick to their own 37 yard line.  

No punts in the first half for the Majors, just not punching it in from the redzone.

Joseph 17 for 26 for 173 so far.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 03:41:00 PM
Millsaps takes opening kickoff of second half to Centre 10 and gets stopped on fourth and one.  Centre fumbles on third and five, but Majors offside on the play to give Centre first down.  Centre 1st and ten at their own 21 yard line.  Another fumble on first down, but Centre recovers again, nice way to get nine yards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 03:47:16 PM
Centre stalls out at Millsaps 33 yard line, Millsaps takes over at their own 23 yard line.  About 5:24 to go in third still Millsaps 9, Centre 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 03:49:47 PM
Majors forced to punt, can't get anything going on offense, bad punt and Colonels take over at their own 42.  Majors letting Centre hang around with four minutes to go in third quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 03:54:08 PM
Video's back.  Rhodes gets a short FG to close to 10-6 with 7:16 left in the third quarter (I think).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 04:02:50 PM
Millsaps finally gets it across the goaline at the start of the 4th quarter on fourth and goal from the one foot line, score is now Millsaps 15 - Centre 7, Majors go for two and don't get it with 14:15 left in fourth.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 04:10:39 PM
Centre gets down in Millsaps territory and fumbles snap on field goal attempt, Majors take over at own 27 yard line.  Majors stall out and punt again to Centre 40 yard line.  Score still 15 - 7 Majors with 8:57 to go in game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 04:14:37 PM
11:17 left in the fourth, Trinity gets to the Lynx 5 on a fourth-down conversion but two consecutive Rhodes sacks push Trinity back.  Lizcali's 33-yd FG pushes it to a 13-6 TU lead.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 06, 2007, 04:16:26 PM
AC kicks a field goal with 0:11 left in the 3rd quarter for a score of AC 16 - Sewanee 6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 04:16:42 PM
Takes Rhodes one play to score on a wide-open 70-yd pass play from Oliver, all tied up at 13.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 04:18:33 PM
Rhodes recovers an on-side kick. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 04:21:15 PM
Majors on the move, but holding calls killing the drive, down to Colonels 25 yard line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 04:25:06 PM
Trinity just rolled over and Rhodes drove right down the field, 20-13 Lynx, 8:11. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 04:26:11 PM
Touchdown Majors on third and seven from Centre 10 yard line, score is now 22 - 7 Majors with 3:44 to go in game.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 04:32:49 PM
Trinity drives to the Rhodes 25, a pitch goes awry, scooped up by a Lynx backer and returned 65 yards for six.  27-13 Rhodes, 5:43 to play.

Congrats HunterT, your guys came to play big-time today. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 06, 2007, 04:36:26 PM
Still 16-6 AC at Sewanee with 5:12 in the 4thQ as AC blocks a Sewanee field goal attempt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 04:37:47 PM
Millsaps scores again to make it 29-7 with 1:33 to go, ugly win for the Majors, really had to wear down Centre, Joseph held to 350 yards and a couple a scores.  Wow on the Rhodes score!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 06, 2007, 04:43:23 PM
WOW!!!! I can't belive it. I don't know what happened, and I'm pissed that I didn't go down there this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 06, 2007, 04:47:09 PM
anybody know what's going on with the live stats? For some reason its stuck on the second quarter on my computer. or Ron, where is this video you're seeing?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 06, 2007, 04:48:18 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on October 02, 2007, 04:52:18 PM
Centre @ Millsaps
Colorado College @ Macalester
Trinity @ Rhodes
DePauw @ Birmingham-Southern
Austin @ Sewanee

Smart pick for Gray Fox. Good job Rhodes on the win!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 04:49:53 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 06, 2007, 04:47:09 PM
anybody know what's going on with the live stats? For some reason its stuck on the second quarter on my computer. or Ron, where is this video you're seeing?

I don't know about the live stats (they had major internet problems around the half).

The video was from the Trinity site and had lots of major interruptions today.  Game's over now ... 27-13. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 06, 2007, 04:51:17 PM
Score at Sewanee now 16-13 AC as Sewanee gets a late touchdown with 0:47 in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 06, 2007, 04:54:40 PM
I'm in shock. I was going to go watch the game and had some problems finding a place to stay on short notice. I'm pretty upset right now that I'm not there celebrating with my guys. Haven't seen any stats or info on the game except what was written here. Looks like a few big plays was the difference maker, and that's something that Rhodes has been missing in their game for a long time. Glad they got things worked out.

GO LYNX!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 06, 2007, 04:55:17 PM
AC recovers the on-side kick attempt, now taking a knee to wrap up the game, and the final will be AC 16, Sewanee 13.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 05:22:52 PM
DePauw just scored to take a 28-24 lead at BSC ... 0:44 left
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2007, 05:50:24 PM
I have been very impressed (shocked) by the Birmingham Southern scores so far this year.  These guys might be a force to reckon with sooner rather than later! 

Great win for Rhodes today, Trinity is still in the hunt though if they win out in conference play.  This has been a fun season so far and only figures to get better!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 06, 2007, 06:38:30 PM
Well, this has been a wierd day. 

Despite the win, DePauw can't win the conference now because of the Trinity loss.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 06, 2007, 06:39:13 PM
Final from Birmingham: Depauw 28 - BSC 24.  BSC took a 24-21 lead with 2:00 left.  Depauw drove ~65 yards in 1:15 to win it.  Still, another fine showing for a two-month old, nearly all freshman team from BSC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 06, 2007, 07:18:13 PM
All of today's boxes are on the SCAC website:

http://www.scac-online.org/football (http://www.scac-online.org/football)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 06, 2007, 07:54:04 PM
the story about the game is up on the Rhodes site.

http://www.rhodeslynx.com/News/football/2007/10/6/fb%20beats%20tu.asp?path=football (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/News/football/2007/10/6/fb%20beats%20tu.asp?path=football)

it sounds like the defense held strong and wasn't intimidated. and the offense finally got something, even if it was a couple big plays. I still think there is room for improvement, but this will give them confidence for the next week out in Colorado, and the remainder of the season.

This game also shows how the SCAC works, anybody can win anywhere, anytime. I love it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 08:55:33 PM
I see Jeremiah Marks did not play for DPU again this week - but Curtis Moore was more than an adequate replacement (27 carries, 182 yards, two TD's). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 08:56:58 PM
Question:  Can anyone in the SCAC stop Millsaps?
Yes:   23 (69.7%)
No:    10 (30.3%)
   
Total Voters: 33
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 01:07:00 AM
AC looks like they can be in any game as long as they take care of the ball. 

They took Sewanee's mistakes and made them pay.  Can't ask for more than that.  (and they actually threw a TD for once!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 07, 2007, 01:26:19 AM
I have to comment on the poll, I think its too early to have this up there. With some key matchups this week, I think we need one more week to get a little bit clearer picture.

Love the idea, like where we're going with it, but just too early.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 07, 2007, 03:34:05 PM
Oh, I disagree that it's too early, but this week's games made it a good bit more interesting!  Of course it's too early to "know", but we just get to find out what kind of smart prognosticators we are!  I think my vote for Trinity is solid, but you folk from Rhodes and Depauw would beg to differ, I'm sure.

Will be interesting to see where Trinity goes from here.  Some BIG tests coming up for them.  Taking care of the ball was obviously THE question for them in Memphis.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 07, 2007, 04:52:41 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson (DPU3619) on October 06, 2007, 06:38:30 PM
Well, this has been a wierd day. 

Despite the win, DePauw can't win the conference now because of the Trinity loss.

DePauw can be co-champions if Millsaps wins all but the Trinity game and DePauw wins out, but that would give Millsaps the NCAA bid.  They can also win if Millsaps loses two.  If you had seen the game at Millsaps Saturday you would know that this is a possibility even though Millsaps is certainly capable of winning the rest of their games.

The game with Centre was very much undecided in the 4th quarter with Centre having the ball and only trailing by 15-7.  While Centre had less than 200 yards total offense in the game, they did put together a nice drive when they scored near the end of the first half so I was glad to see Millsaps put up some insurance points towards the end of the game.

As for Trinity, they still control their own destiny.  Win out and they get the automatic bid.  In a way their loss at Rhodes didn't hurt their NCAA Playoff bid too much because they were going to probably have to win at Millsaps anyway.  It does make their game at DePauw a must win, but that might have been the case anyway if they wanted to avoid a 3-way tie for first.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 07, 2007, 04:57:27 PM
Just so we're clear... BSC is to be reckoned with. Not in the future. Not a year or two from now. Right this minute. DPU probably thought they'd roll on Saturday. That obviously didn't end up being the case. I don't care that BSC is 85% freshman - most of their kids on the offensive side of the ball would be contributing at any other SCAC school, and I dare say I'd take their QB (Thigpen) over any other QB in the conference not named Joseph or Dick. They appear to be extremely well coached, too.

And speaking of Spud... that kid has some guts. My understanding is that he called every play of the game-winning drive, including a pump-and-go route on a third-and-four that ended up putting the Tigers into BSC territory. The game as a whole wasn't his finest performance, but he showed a ton of poise on the final drive. Sophomore QBs aren't supposed to have that kind of nerve.

I realize the SCAC's attention is on the fall of the Texas Tigers (as it probably should be - I seriously did not believe that score when I first saw it), but you folks following that one missed a hell of a good football game in Birmingham on Saturday.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 07, 2007, 05:17:15 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Two quotes for the Trinity Tigers from an old guy.)

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."     Franklin D. Roosevelt, March 4, 1933
During his first Inagural Address; regarding the then Great Depression. 

"Beware The Wounded Tiger"             Book by Geoff Taylor, 1971
Based on 7 Americans who served with the RAF during WWII; in particular their action in March 1944 when the Command lost 100 planes in an attack on Nuremberg.

                                                                            ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on October 07, 2007, 05:59:31 PM
QuoteJust so we're clear... BSC is to be reckoned with. Not in the future. Not a year or two from now. Right this minute. DPU probably thought they'd roll on Saturday. That obviously didn't end up being the case. I don't care that BSC is 85% freshman - most of their kids on the offensive side of the ball would be contributing at any other SCAC school, and I dare say I'd take their QB (Thigpen) over any other QB in the conference not named Joseph or Dick. They appear to be extremely well coached, too.

And speaking of Spud... that kid has some guts. My understanding is that he called every play of the game-winning drive, including a pump-and-go route on a third-and-four that ended up putting the Tigers into BSC territory. The game as a whole wasn't his finest performance, but he showed a ton of poise on the final drive. Sophomore QBs aren't supposed to have that kind of nerve.

I realize the SCAC's attention is on the fall of the Texas Tigers (as it probably should be - I seriously did not believe that score when I first saw it), but you folks following that one missed a hell of a good football game in Birmingham on Saturday.

Agreed on all points----

And huge props to BCS. Nice players, super support (Birmingham News reported attendance at Saturday's DePauw game at 12,000) and all the makings for a really strong DIII program...

And how about the overall strength of the SCAC???

Millsaps, Trinity and Depauw---say hello to BCS, a Sewanee team with a new coach and new attitude, Rhodes, etc....really, in my opion, shaping up to be a nice group of teams...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on October 07, 2007, 06:01:06 PM
Quote(El Tea Gray--re: Two quotes for the Trinity Tigers from an old guy.)

"The only thing we have to fear is fear itself."     Franklin D. Roosevelt, March 4, 1933
During his first Inagural Address; regarding the then Great Depression. 

"Beware The Wounded Tiger"             Book by Geoff Taylor, 1971
Based on 7 Americans who served with the RAF during WWII; in particular their action in March 1944 when the Command lost 100 planes in an attack on Nuremberg.


Classic---well done etg!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 07, 2007, 06:15:34 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on October 07, 2007, 05:59:31 PM
QuoteAnd how about the overall strength of the SCAC???

Millsaps, Trinity and Depauw---say hello to BCS, a Sewanee team with a new coach and new attitude, Rhodes, etc....really, in my opion, shaping up to be a nice group of teams...


Couldn't agree more. I've been saying it since I was playing, the SCAC is one of the most, if not THE most competitive conference in D3 just because anybody can win on any day. I know arguments will follow that statement for the next few days, but it's true. Big plays, guys stepping up, others not stepping up, everything changes each week in this conference which is what makes it so much fun to follow.

I will say it's taken a while to get to this point (read as "the conference formerly known as Trinity"), but the talent level and competition between the schools is rising, and it's making for a great atmosphere every week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on October 07, 2007, 06:35:46 PM
QuoteCouldn't agree more. I've been saying it since I was playing, the SCAC is one of the most, if not THE most competitive conference in D3 just because anybody can win on any day. I know arguments will follow that statement for the next few days, but it's true. Big plays, guys stepping up, others not stepping up, everything changes each week in this conference which is what makes it so much fun to follow.

I will say it's taken a while to get to this point (read as "the conference formerly known as Trinity"), but the talent level and competition between the schools is rising, and it's making for a great atmosphere every week.

Agreed---and the diverse geography of the schools adds an element...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 07:37:00 PM
was BSCs game against LaGrange against their JV?

and 12,000 people were at that game?  if they are drawing that then I dont see them staying DIII for very long.  Too much money to be made.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 07:48:50 PM
actually, what are the average attendances at SCAC (and I guess DIII at large)?

Perhaps my perception is skewed by bad attendance AC games have had since the team has been in the dregs the last 15 years.

It drives me batty the amount of money they could be making for the school (or the charities they choose) w/simple things like upgrading the concession stands options.  (although I'm sure nobody would go if we had to pay anything to get into the games.)

Basically, I'd like to know where the AC athlete department stands vs other SCAC schools.  What do we need to improve?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 07, 2007, 07:57:02 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 07, 2007, 04:52:41 PM

DePauw can be co-champions if Millsaps wins all but the Trinity game and DePauw wins out, but that would give Millsaps the NCAA bid.  They can also win if Millsaps loses two.  If you had seen the game at Millsaps Saturday you would know that this is a possibility even though Millsaps is certainly capable of winning the rest of their games.

No, no Frank, I certainly understand that.  I suppose "can't" was the wrong word choice.  I should have selected "highly, highly unlikely".

If, by some chance, DePauw finishes 9-1, I've got to think they're in the dance either way.  Being a conference co-champion doesn't guarantee you that you're going to the post-season.  Going 9-1 with wins over Trinity and Wabash probably does, though.  I don't know if DePauw will win out, but if they do, they should be playing the week after Monon.

I don't think Millsaps will lose two more, either.  They've got: @ Sewanee, vs. Trinity, @ Colorado, & vs. BSU left.  I gotta think they're good for 3-1 in that stretch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2007, 08:30:19 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 07:37:00 PM
was BSCs game against LaGrange against their JV?

and 12,000 people were at that game?  if they are drawing that then I dont see them staying DIII for very long.  Too much money to be made.
KentATM,

There were about "5 reams" of discussion on BSC's move to D-III from non-football D1 in May 2006 when it was announced.

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2006/05/26/birmingham-southern-welcome-to-d-iii/



You can google Birmingham Southern College on D3football to get more references.  Please go to the front page for that search location.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 07, 2007, 08:31:13 PM
KentATM, yes, the BSC game against LaGrange was against the LaGrange JV according to the BSC web site, as was the game against Mississippi College.

But 12,000 in attendance at the first homecoming since football was reinstituted will not be taking them out of D3 to which they have just started a transition, after a short 8 year run in D1.  The board of trustees decided that they just didn't fit.  They had come out of NAIA around 1999 after having won recent national championships in baseball and basketball.  BSC was the third smallest D1 school behind Centenary and Wofford before beginning the transition.

The D3 attendance record, I understand, for any athletic event, was set by Millsaps and Mississippi College when their rivalry was reintituted several years ago.  The attendance? Over 12,000.  Can someone help me out there?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 08:35:52 PM
thanks Ralph.  that helps out quite a bit.  does anyone know if they charge $$$ to get into their games?  do any SCAC schools?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2007, 08:38:07 PM
I don't disagree with the general direction you're coming from, Kent, but like the fact that the games are free of charge.  I'm afraid that, at this point, we'd have even fewer fans than we already do if we were to charge, and the gate receipts wouldn't be generating more than a thousand or two at the most anyway.   :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 07, 2007, 08:39:19 PM
Millsaps -- $10 per game for season ticket reserved chairback seats
$5 general admission
average attendance this year about 1800
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on October 07, 2007, 08:39:51 PM
Quoteand 12,000 people were at that game?  if they are drawing that then I dont see them staying DIII for very long.  Too much money to be made.

That's WHY they made the move to DIII---they were losing their shirts on DI athletics...I think the school only has about 1,600 students...I think they are on the right track...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 07, 2007, 08:41:57 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 08:35:52 PM
thanks Ralph.  that helps out quite a bit.  does anyone know if they charge $$$ to get into their games?  do any SCAC schools?
My latest experience, as I recall.

Austin  2007 - none
Trinity   2006 - none
Colorado College  - 2001  Small amount.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 07, 2007, 08:42:48 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on October 07, 2007, 08:31:13 PM
KentATM, yes, the BSC game against LaGrange was against the LaGrange JV according to the BSC web site, as was the game against Mississippi College.

But 12,000 in attendance at the first homecoming since football was reinstituted will not be taking them out of D3 to which they have just started a transition, after a short 8 year run in D1.  The board of trustees decided that they just didn't fit.  They had come out of NAIA around 1999 after having won recent national championships in baseball and basketball.  BSC was the third smallest D1 school behind Centenary and Wofford before beginning the transition.

The D3 attendance record, I understand, for any athletic event, was set by Millsaps and Mississippi College when their rivalry was reintituted several years ago.  The attendance? Over 12,000.  Can someone help me out there?

The official stats show an attendance of 3412.  From the crowd I sat in, I'd say that's about right.  I don't know where the B'ham news got 12000.  That's nuts.  There will be 12000 at Regions Park this weekend though.  Vestavia Hills plays Hoover.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 08:52:47 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2007, 08:38:07 PM
I don't disagree with the general direction you're coming from, Kent, but like the fact that the games are free of charge.  I'm afraid that, at this point, we'd have even fewer fans than we already do if we were to charge, and the gate receipts wouldn't be generating more than a thousand or two at the most anyway.   :-\

oh I definitely have no problem with the games being free, but w/just a little effort, they could make a decent amount selling snacks.  Right now I think our only options for purchase are hot dogs, school lunch size bag chips, a couple different candy bars, prepackaged nachos, M&Ms, water and coke.   I just wonder what all it would take to bring in things like personal sized pizzas, burgers, more than one soda choice etc etc etc.


but besides that, I wonder which of our facilities need upgrades.  Our tennis courts are getting moved and redone and the baseball field FINALLY is no longer a joke.  I guess the soccer fields could use some stands but I don't know how everyone else does it.  I kinda want to get our LAX program moved up to varsity from club and am trying to get a bunch of my buddies that played (i was merely their team heckler) to get some money together but right now thats just a pipe dream.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 07, 2007, 09:15:20 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 08:52:47 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2007, 08:38:07 PM
I don't disagree with the general direction you're coming from, Kent, but like the fact that the games are free of charge.  I'm afraid that, at this point, we'd have even fewer fans than we already do if we were to charge, and the gate receipts wouldn't be generating more than a thousand or two at the most anyway.   :-\

oh I definitely have no problem with the games being free, but w/just a little effort, they could make a decent amount selling snacks.  Right now I think our only options for purchase are hot dogs, school lunch size bag chips, a couple different candy bars, prepackaged nachos, M&Ms, water and coke.   I just wonder what all it would take to bring in things like personal sized pizzas, burgers, more than one soda choice etc etc etc.


but besides that, I wonder which of our facilities need upgrades.  Our tennis courts are getting moved and redone and the baseball field FINALLY is no longer a joke.  I guess the soccer fields could use some stands but I don't know how everyone else does it.  I kinda want to get our LAX program moved up to varsity from club and am trying to get a bunch of my buddies that played (i was merely their team heckler) to get some money together but right now thats just a pipe dream.


I'm sure anything you donate to athletics will be appreciated.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2007, 09:24:17 PM
We can talk about that, Kent!  Just so happens that I know one or two people in the AC development office.... 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2007, 09:51:08 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 07:48:50 PM
actually, what are the average attendances at SCAC (and I guess DIII at large)?

Perhaps my perception is skewed by bad attendance AC games have had since the team has been in the dregs the last 15 years.

It drives me batty the amount of money they could be making for the school (or the charities they choose) w/simple things like upgrading the concession stands options.  (although I'm sure nobody would go if we had to pay anything to get into the games.)

Basically, I'd like to know where the AC athlete department stands vs other SCAC schools.  What do we need to improve?

SCAC attendance ranges 500-2000 with a few games above that range. 

With re better facilities meaning more money - unlikely.  The financial ROI on athletic facilities, unless you are adding sports in an attempt to add more students, is almost universally negative.  You may be able to get "better" student-athletes, or more.  Most upgrades come when rich alums/donors want to leave their name on campus and drop big money for new facilities.   

Re wanting to upgrade LAX - seems unlikely unless the SCAC decides to sponsor it as a sport.  There's been some speculation (mostly by me) that LAX will be the next sport the conference adds due to the number of schools that either have it as a team (non-club) sport or have announced plans to do so. 

BTW I know that BSC charges $10 for their football tickets and I think $5 for bball.  Their fans are used to paying, tho, since they used to be D1 in all the other sports.  Kind of interesting to watch their non-FB teams play since some are now a mix of scholarship and non-scholarship students; the 'old' SCAC teams find themselves going up against some BSC teams that still have athletes who were all-conference in their D1 days.  That's why they are provisional D3 status and will be until the scholarship kids graduate. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on October 07, 2007, 09:59:47 PM
Yeah, the scac has got some good football programs on the rise, really a mini version of the sec/big 12 for d3. As for BSC  they do seem to be  filling the niche of a d3 football program in the south faster than anticipated. Than again, their is a huge void of d3 programs in alabama and other southern states for that matter, ie just compare most southern states having one-two comparable academic d3 football school's to ohio, so a school like bsc can load up on the local talent. I would think flordia would be a prime market for a school making a jump like bsc, maybe rollins? Another school, i always thought to be perfect for d3 is wofford, they are pretty much cut from the same cloth as scac school's but playing 1-aa, even playing u of scar, that's alot to bite off for such a small school.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2007, 10:27:02 PM
Quote from: cush on October 07, 2007, 09:59:47 PM
Yeah, the scac has got some good football programs on the rise, really a mini version of the sec/big 12 for d3.

Whoa. Let's win a playoff game sometime in the past four years first.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2007, 10:31:07 PM
LOL.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 07, 2007, 10:33:01 PM
Quote from: cush on October 07, 2007, 09:59:47 PMI would think flordia would be a prime market for a school making a jump like bsc, maybe rollins?

A Florida D3 program would be scary considering all of the D3 caliber football players that slip through the cracks and end up at state schools! Unfortunately, it's generally only matter of time before Florida schools that start football find themselves playing D1.
I believe there are only two schools in Florida that don't play D1, and they're both NAIA http://www.fscsports.com/ (http://www.fscsports.com/).
Rollins would be the academic fit, as well as many of the schools in the D2 conference in which they currently play (http://ssc.athleticsite.com/ (http://ssc.athleticsite.com/)), but you have to consider costs. Rollins is about 9 hours from the nearest SCAC school (BSU), and a little over 7 hours from the next closest D3 program (if La grange is indeed the closest).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2007, 10:35:17 PM
And besides, Millsaps couldn't successfully recruit all those Florida kids anymore if that were the case, right Kid?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 08, 2007, 12:00:50 AM
Pat, you can't dog cush for making a statement like that about the SCAC being a smaller version of the SEC. I made the same statement a year ago, and was pleased to see that somebody else agrees.

Now, i do agree that we need to do some playoff damage before we stand up next to the LSU defense, Arkansas rushing attack, or Florida passing, but look at the Rhodes defense, Depauw ground game, and Millsaps through the air. In a twisted, "let's make the SCAC sound as good as it possibly can" sort of way, there are some strong similarities.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2007, 12:05:25 AM
Quote from: HunterT on October 08, 2007, 12:00:50 AM
... In a twisted, "let's make the SCAC sound as good as it possibly can" sort of way, there are some strong similarities.
I agree, because McMurry's only win this year came at the expense of an Austin College (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Austin&year=2007) team that is tied for 3rd thru games of October 6th.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2007, 12:28:21 AM
Flukes happen.   McM got the benefit of seven fumbles at home and still barely won the game.   

Continuing to drag that one example out as an supposed example of the relative strengths of the two conferences is way past the expiration date, Ralph.  You've done it all season and enough is enough.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 08, 2007, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: Major Rev on October 07, 2007, 08:31:13 PM
The D3 attendance record, I understand, for any athletic event, was set by Millsaps and Mississippi College when their rivalry was reintituted several years ago.  The attendance? Over 12,000.  Can someone help me out there?
I also thought it was a record, but Pat mentioned to me that he believed someone else actually held the record but I can't remember the game. I couldn't find it in the NCAA record books.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2007, 12:28:21 AM
Flukes happen.   McM got the benefit of seven fumbles at home and still barely won the game.  

Continuing to drag that one example out as an supposed example of the relative strengths of the two conferences is way past the expiration date, Ralph.  You've done it all season and enough is enough.
McMurry did lead 35-14 after three quarters and managed to give back several of those fumbles with four interceptions. Still, not a good barometer of the two conferences.

Anyone know the SCAC record for passing yards? I would think Juan Joseph would be in position to break several conference records this season.

EDITED: Found it. Joseph is well ahead of pace for average passing yards per game.
Passing
Most Passing Attempts
459 Jason Lee, DePauw (2001)
Most Completions
260 Roy Hampton, Trinity (2002)
Most Passing Yards
4,095 Roy Hampton, Trinity (2002)
Average Yards/Game
303.4 Jason Lee, DePauw (2001)
(Minimum - 7 Games)
Completion Percentage
69.5% Gary Lee, Rose-Hulman (1974)
(Minimum - 100 Attempts)
Most Touchdowns Thrown
43 Roy Hampton, Trinity (2002)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2007, 01:01:55 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2007, 12:28:21 AM
Flukes happen.   McM got the benefit of seven fumbles at home and still barely won the game.   

Continuing to drag that one example out as an supposed example of the relative strengths of the two conferences is way past the expiration date, Ralph.  You've done it all season and enough is enough.
:) Fleeting hope, Ron.  It is still six weekends until the first basketball game and the season is getting long!
:-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 08, 2007, 01:10:12 AM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2007, 10:35:17 PM
And besides, Millsaps couldn't successfully recruit all those Florida kids anymore if that were the case, right Kid?   ;)

It's not easy trying to talk kids into giving up beaches and babes for southern accents and the country! haha. Can't have too much of that Florida speed, but recruiting mostly MS, LA, TX, and AL seems to be working quiet well right now. Although, there are 8 or 9 guys from FL on the roster. Diversity is the key my friend! haha
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 08, 2007, 08:11:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 08, 2007, 12:05:25 AM
Quote from: HunterT on October 08, 2007, 12:00:50 AM
... In a twisted, "let's make the SCAC sound as good as it possibly can" sort of way, there are some strong similarities.
I agree, because McMurry's only win this year came at the expense of an Austin College (http://www.d3football.com/school_info.php?school=Austin&year=2007) team that is tied for 3rd thru games of October 6th.   ;)


While that was a disappointing loss, AC is still mired in a (long) rebuilding process.  I believe the last time they beat McMurry was in 2004 w/the series being fairly back and forth before then.

The last time we were even at .500 was '02 and the last winning season was in '00.

They are improving though, they have been in every game they lost this year unlike in the past.  Even the in Millsaps game they were only down 22-10 at the start of the 4th before they collapsed under all of their penalties, turnovers and mental miscues.  Heck, had they held onto the ball better it would have been 16-10 going into the half.  (of course it helped Millsaps couldn't hit their FGs)

Anyways, Coach Gage has a pretty big rep to live up to and it seems he is turning it around (though I really do wish we would pass a bit more)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on October 08, 2007, 09:31:14 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2007, 08:55:33 PM
I see Jeremiah Marks did not play for DPU again this week - but Curtis Moore was more than an adequate replacement (27 carries, 182 yards, two TD's). 

Actually, many starters for DePauw were absent- not sure why.

On a side note, BSC is going to be a beast in two years if this team sticks together and stays healthy. I was more than impressed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 08, 2007, 10:03:05 AM
Can anyone update me on the nature of the Marks injury?  Will he be back?
And to note that there were other starters not in the game for Depauw is not surprising given that the game had no impact on conference records.  With the upcoming Depauw games, why risk injuries to key players?  Millsaps held Joseph out of the Rhodes game though his injury was not serious; but the week off gave him a chance to thoroughly heal.
It's a good chance to "season" younger, inexperienced players. too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 08, 2007, 10:25:03 AM
A note on "cush"'s Wofford comment --
My daughter was recruited by both Wofford and BSC to play tennis (now at BSC), and when we visited Wofford, the Carolina Panthers were on campus for their pre-season camp - owner is a Wofford graduate.  The history goes something like this - Carolina begins preseason camp at Wofford about ten years ago; Wofford goes D1 four years later.  Obviously, the infusion of money into the facilities and program opened a lot of doors.
I doubt Millsaps has nearly as good a deal with the New Orleans Saints who they have hosted on campus for the last two years, but it has generated a lot of interest in the school and a bit of cash simply from parking fees.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2007, 10:59:19 AM
Quote from: DePauwDad on October 08, 2007, 09:31:14 AM
On a side note, BSC is going to be a beast in two years if this team sticks together and stays healthy. I was more than impressed.

Agreed, they have done unexpectedly well and with a break or two could actually be 2-1 at this point, which is amazing. 

The key is going to be how does BSC handle their recruiting success.  They got 125 kids to go out for football this year and 110 were on the roster last time I checked.  If you get another 100 next season, how do they keep everyone happy?  Nice problem to have.

There was an interesting story somewhere about Huntingdon, which also started out like gangbusters but ended up with only 20 seniors this season from their original class of ~75.  Attrition is always a problem in D3 ball but in the Hawks case they went from a team that was one fourth-quarter collapse away from a very possible Pool C bid in 2005 to 6-4 in 2006 and 2-4 so far this year.  B-SC may not suffer the same fate but it's a concern.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2007, 11:06:13 AM
Probably this story:

http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/100207add.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 08, 2007, 11:17:59 AM
Quote from: Major Rev on October 08, 2007, 10:03:05 AM
Can anyone update me on the nature of the Marks injury?  Will he be back?

I gather he's getting better.  I heard it was a bruised knee and that it was a bit more serious than first thought.  I haven't heard either way what his status is for this weekend, but it's only Monday.  Even if I do hear, there's nothing saying it's right.  Missed the bullseye entirely on the Millsaps game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on October 08, 2007, 11:40:24 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson (DPU3619) on October 08, 2007, 11:17:59 AM
Quote from: Major Rev on October 08, 2007, 10:03:05 AM
Can anyone update me on the nature of the Marks injury?  Will he be back?

I gather he's getting better.  I heard it was a bruised knee and that it was a bit more serious than first thought.  I haven't heard either way what his status is for this weekend, but it's only Monday.  Even if I do hear, there's nothing saying it's right.  Missed the bullseye entirely on the Millsaps game.

I would agree that the information is not reliable. Marks injury has been much more significant than originally thought. Also, the injuries to other key starters has played a significant role in DePauw's recent struggles. They missed key starters on both defense and offense against Millsaps and again Saturday at BSC. #31's absence gets the press (as it should), but #47 and others are sorely missed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on October 08, 2007, 11:46:40 AM
Rollins at the d3 level for football would be a monster considering the talent in the state. As for travel, the school does have a nice endowment, i think something like 300m + you got southwest airlines going into orlando, which probably isn't much more than a bus in group fares. No doubt they would be a nice addition  to the scac but that sure would spread the league more but if colorado college can do it, so could rollins.  Of course,  rollins could also follow the path of wofford at the d1-aa level in the southern conference, if they really got serious about a football program. It seems wofford is riding the coattails and $'s of the the carolina panthers into d1-aa so maybe rollins could hook up with an nfl team to offset the cost. Yet, given the size and nature of wofford, i would think suiting up against  the likes of Sewanee and rhodes would be a better fit + they wouldn't have to give out scholarships.  I guess this all goes back to a lack of d3 football in the south, something that could be fixed  if rollins, wofford, emory, hendrix,  and  centenary ever get the football bug.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2007, 12:03:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2007, 11:06:13 AM
Probably this story:

http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/100207add.html

Thanks, Pat.  Knew it was familar for some reason.   ;)

As Pat's story points out, part of the reason for the slump is facing more difficult competition, and last year's senior class, not this year's, was the first. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2007, 01:06:46 PM
Quote from: cush on October 08, 2007, 11:46:40 AM
Rollins at the d3 level for football would be a monster considering the talent in the state. As for travel, the school does have a nice endowment, i think something like 300m + you got southwest airlines going into orlando, which probably isn't much more than a bus in group fares. No doubt they would be a nice addition  to the scac but that sure would spread the league more but if colorado college can do it, so could rollins.  Of course,  rollins could also follow the path of wofford at the d1-aa level in the southern conference, if they really got serious about a football program. It seems wofford is riding the coattails and $'s of the the carolina panthers into d1-aa so maybe rollins could hook up with an nfl team to offset the cost. Yet, given the size and nature of wofford, i would think suiting up against  the likes of Sewanee and rhodes would be a better fit + they wouldn't have to give out scholarships.  I guess this all goes back to a lack of d3 football in the south, something that could be fixed  if rollins, wofford, emory, hendrix,  and  centenary ever get the football bug.


Rollins has a pretty long history in D2 ... numerous national championships in tennis and golf (and water skiing!) ... don't see them really going the D3 route.  Pity because academically and from a size perspective they are really a much better fit in the SCAC than where they are now. 

Also, air travel is *much* more expensive than bus travel, especially given the distances SCAC teams have to travel.  Their travel budget in the SCAC would dwarf their current budget given that they're playing a bunch of other FL teams now and are smack dab in the middle of the state so nothing is too far to begin with. 

I've said this before, but the SCAC said a couple of years ago that they wanted to grow to twelve schools and now they have.  Just don't see them taking anyone else on but to replace someone who wants to go elsewhere.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on October 08, 2007, 01:58:30 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2007, 11:06:13 AM
Probably this story:

http://www.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/stories/100207add.html

Pat,  who wrote THAT garbage??   ;D


Nice work...good to see a D3 column out there...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2007, 03:09:49 PM
It's not my best work but they wanted to have D-III presence on the site again and were willing to change some things from the last time I wrote for them in order to make it work.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Matt Gaunt on October 08, 2007, 03:12:05 PM
I heard Mark's has a quadriceps contusion (read: big bruse in the front thigh muscle).  I would think he'd be back in another week or two if he's been following the athletic trainer's orders.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 08, 2007, 05:23:15 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 07, 2007, 08:52:47 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on October 07, 2007, 08:38:07 PM
I don't disagree with the general direction you're coming from, Kent, but like the fact that the games are free of charge.  I'm afraid that, at this point, we'd have even fewer fans than we already do if we were to charge, and the gate receipts wouldn't be generating more than a thousand or two at the most anyway.   :-\

oh I definitely have no problem with the games being free, but w/just a little effort, they could make a decent amount selling snacks.  Right now I think our only options for purchase are hot dogs, school lunch size bag chips, a couple different candy bars, prepackaged nachos, M&Ms, water and coke.   I just wonder what all it would take to bring in things like personal sized pizzas, burgers, more than one soda choice etc etc etc.


but besides that, I wonder which of our facilities need upgrades.  Our tennis courts are getting moved and redone and the baseball field FINALLY is no longer a joke.  I guess the soccer fields could use some stands but I don't know how everyone else does it.  I kinda want to get our LAX program moved up to varsity from club and am trying to get a bunch of my buddies that played (i was merely their team heckler) to get some money together but right now thats just a pipe dream.



i'm late jumping into this conversation, but FYI Kent, the AC athletics department doesn't handle the concessions.  it's all Kiwanis, with the athletics department not getting a dime out of it.

there used to be an admission charge, but at the end of the year the cost of the tickets themselves along with the cost to pay staff to sell the tickets didn't result in nearly enough money to make it worthwhile, so they scrapped ticket sales altogether.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 08, 2007, 07:03:07 PM
thanks for the info Jekel.  I knew the money from concessions went to Kiwanis but I didn't realize the school had pretty much nothing to do with it.  I will have to figure out who to get in touch w/then b/c they really need to give us more options.  I have been to little league baseball games that have better choices.  That shouldn't happen no matter how small your college is.

When did they last charge for tickets?  I don't remember them charging as far back as 01 (unless I crashed the gate and didn't know)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 08, 2007, 10:16:00 PM
whoever wins that game will lose to AC and the loser will beat them.

just my guess.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 09, 2007, 03:16:09 AM
i mean that if Trinity beats DePauw, AC will beat Trinity and lose to DePauw.

if DePauw beats Trinity, AC beats them and loses to Trinity. 

I have no good reason to feel this way.  I just do.
Title: Re: Trinity v Depauw
Post by: DPU3619 on October 09, 2007, 08:56:32 AM
Quote from: Big C on October 08, 2007, 09:40:03 PM
What is the thinking of the group on the Trinity - Depauw game this Saturday?

I just don't know how healthy DePauw is going to be. 

No word on Marks. FB Brett Claxton missed Saturday yet again.  DL Mike McNelis didn't play against BSC.  I also don't see CB Reed Scherer in the box, which makes me think he didn't play.

That's going to be a big part of it.  How many of those guys are going to go?  DePauw needs all hands on deck, and if they don't have it, it's going to make it an uphill climb.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2007, 10:11:23 AM
I can't figure this weekend out at all. 

Trinity historically is not a great road team; in the last six or seven years all of their regular-season losses but one (against then-NAIA power Azusa Pacific) have come on the road.   Last week's loss to Rhodes falls into that pattern, plus it was the first time in over a month they had left the confines of San Antonio - and the competition during those weeks, with the exception of Colorado College, were sub-.500 teams. 

DePauw has also struggled the last three weeks without Marks, and from the discussion here there have been other injury issues.  It would not surprise me, though, to find out that some of the folks who did not play last week were held out to get better for this week's game.  It's important to note that the two narrow wins in the last three weeks were both on the road.

So ... both teams need to win to keep playoff chances alive.   DePauw is the one upper-tier SCAC program to never defeat Trinity, but is this finally the year?   A healthy Marks would be a huge help. 

One thing you can be certain of:  the Tigers will win.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 09, 2007, 11:15:05 AM
Ron,  who would you say is the favorite today to win the conference?  What are the key games coming up?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2007, 01:16:08 PM
Since seeing them in week 2 and given results to date I would have to put Millsaps in the driver's seat.  This week's Trinity@DePauw game dictates what the key games are the rest of the way.  If Trinity wins, it's Trinity@Millsaps; if DePauw wins, it's DePauw-Wabash because Millsaps would effectively have a two game lead on DPU and Trinity, and I think DPU can win out if they get healthy and possibly get a pool C bid with a defeat of Wabash in the Monon Bell game. 

With respect I don't see 1-1 Rhodes, 2-2 Austin, or 2-2 Centre being in the mix. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maconfootballobserver on October 09, 2007, 01:59:14 PM
Having seen Millsaps and Trinity both play this season, the only variable that I feel uncertain of is the magnitude of home field advantage for Trinity.  Perhaps some of the more experienced SCAC fans can quantify this. 

If the home field advantage for trinity is not enormous I see a comfortable win for Millsaps.  To break it down:

Running offense: advantage Millsaps
Passing offense: slight advantage Millsaps, although the Trinity QB and receivers are impressive

Rush defense: advantage Millsaps   
Pass defense:  decided advantage Millsaps.  Here is where I see the biggest difference in the 2 teams.  Millsaps D line is able to apply pressure rushing 3 and four, leaving 7 & 8 in coverage.  The Millsaps cornerbacks are also outstanding.

Special teams: slight advantage Trinity, their kicker has a strong leg and kickoffs are deep, he also has plenty of leg for a 50 yard plus field goal

Conclusion:  Millsaps is a better defensive team, particularly against the pass, I believe this should translate into a comfortable Millsaps victory against Trinity.  Of course that highly anticipated matchup is 3 weeks away and lots can happen in the interim                                 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2007, 02:02:42 PM
This year's game is at Millsaps, as a reminder. Ron detailed Trinity's home field success just a few posts ago, if you still need to know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maconfootballobserver on October 09, 2007, 02:13:37 PM
Thanks for the correction, I assumed the game would be in San Antonio, since last years game was in Jackson.  A quick look at the Millsaps web site confirms. I will stick to my prediction then, barring a freakish run of injuries at Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 09, 2007, 02:27:24 PM
I would like to see the Majors take care of business on the mountain before talking about the Trinity game.  After last week's performance against Centre (game was truly undecided into the fourth quarter), Millsaps really needs to put four quarters of offense together before it takes on a tough Trinity team.  Exactly what Dubose was talking about in the article Frank posted last week.

The Majors have an off week in between the Sewanee and Trinity game which should help clean up some nagging injuries.  My hope is that the team (all teams actually) remain injury free in this weekend's game and be at full strength for the October 27 game.   

I agree with Ron that the biggest upcoming game is Saturday's Depauw/Trinity matchup and the outcome of that game will dictate what other important games are left in the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on October 09, 2007, 02:56:36 PM
I am headed up to Monteagle to catch the Millsaps @ Sewanee game.  It is a bit of a tradition in my family seeing as my grandfather played at Sewanee and both my brother and I played at Millsaps.  I will either be on Florida Road tailgating (Millsaps side, down the hill from the endzone) or in the 2nd parking lot behind the Sewanee side of the field.  Look for a black Yukon and a springer spaniel if you are interested in a few adult beverages and some New Market bar-b-que. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 09, 2007, 06:09:19 PM
Just found out I will be travelling to Indiana to see the Trinity-DePauw "Battle of the Tigers 2007".  Looking forward to seeing TU bounce back from last week's disappointing offensive collapse.  No doubt this is the SCAC game of the week ... catch y'all on the webcast on Saturday!  NOTE: Game is at 1pm EASTERN TIME.

To echo Ron:  No doubt the Tigers will win.  GO MAROON.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 09, 2007, 07:00:36 PM
I'm probably going to tape the BSC game from the sidelines this weekend unless its raining b/c I have no rain gear.  It'll probably be the smallest attendance at an AC game this season b/c it will be during our fall break.


early prediction

Roos - 20
Pans - 19
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 09, 2007, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2007, 01:16:08 PM
With respect I don't see 1-1 Rhodes, 2-2 Austin, or 2-2 Centre being in the mix. 

Ouch Ron, that hurts me deep.

I agree though that Millsaps is clearly in the driver seat, with wins over DPU and Rhodes and Trinity yet to come (and the game being in Jackson), they have control of their own destiny.

I think the next 3 teams are all the ones with one loss: Trinity, Depauw, and, yes Ron, Rhodes. You have to think that even with one loss, these teams can still win out and hope for a Millsaps lapse one week. If Rhodes wins out, they're the clear second barring a Millsaps loss (and yes I'm aware that even the tie-breakers give it to the Majors). The winner of the DPU/Trinity game this weekend is the other team competing. If Trinity wins out, Rhodes wins out, and Millsaps wins out (minus Trinity), we have a 3 way tie and (correct me if I'm wrong), it comes down to points.

Is it too early to be breaking down tie-breakers? Yes. So I hope nobody gets into that. But bottom line, anybody with 2 losses as of now, I consider out. With only 1 conference loss, Rhodes is still in it.

Let's hope that the Colorado air this weekend doesn't get to them and they take care of business like they should.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2007, 11:16:21 AM
Sorry, Hunter.  Until I see Rhodes consistently play like they did last week I just can't get on the bandwagon.  A good game at a mid-level opponent like CC would be a start; a trend can't be extrapolated from a single data point. 

A good week for the SCAC in terms of the D3football.com Team of the Week (http://www.d3football.com/tow/):

DL Desmond Hendricks, Jr., Rhodes
Hendricks led a Rhodes defense that limited then 12th-ranked Trinity to 13 points and only 47 yards rushing in Saturday's 27-13 upset victory. He finished the game with eight tackles (four solo), 3.0 tackles for a loss, 1.5 sacks, three fumble recoveries (including the one he returned 65 yards for a touchdown), two forced fumbles, and one pass deflection.

DL Tyler Doane, Fr., DePauw
Doane had eight tackles (four solo) and 3.5 sacks for a loss of 18 yards in DePauw's 28-24 win over Birmingham-Southern.

DB Matt Finke, Jr., Austin
Finke recorded 10 tackles (eight solo) and one tackle for a loss. He also picked off a pass, forced and recovered a fumble, and blocked both a field goal and an extra point in a 16-13 win over Sewanee.

K Taylor Russolino, Fr., Millsaps
Russolino hit three first half field goals from 34, 35, and 38 yards out. The Majors came into the game having hit just one of their eight field goal attempts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 10, 2007, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2007, 01:16:08 PM
With respect I don't see 1-1 Rhodes, 2-2 Austin, or 2-2 Centre being in the mix. 

Ron, I think this line says it all.  With Rhodes' performance last Saturday, and with the strong play that I saw from the Centre team in Jackson, I think there is definitely respect due.  Sure Rhodes pulled off the upset, but Centre also played a strong game and gave the Millsaps offense fits for three quarters.  Congrats to these two teams and to Austin for hangin' in there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2007, 06:25:34 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on October 10, 2007, 01:17:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2007, 01:16:08 PM
With respect I don't see 1-1 Rhodes, 2-2 Austin, or 2-2 Centre being in the mix. 

Ron, I think this line says it all.  With Rhodes' performance last Saturday, and with the strong play that I saw from the Centre team in Jackson, I think there is definitely respect due.  Sure Rhodes pulled off the upset, but Centre also played a strong game and gave the Millsaps offense fits for three quarters.  Congrats to these two teams and to Austin for hangin' in there.

That's just it ... it was just one game.  Was it Rhodes playing their best of the season or Trinity playing their worst, or both?    Do we see "good Rhodes" the rest of the way or the team that struggled to beat 0-for-ever LaGrange, a BSC  team that was playing its first ever collegiate game, and scored a total of three points combined against Millsaps and WashU?

Centre has three losses already and an upcoming road trip to SA where they never fare well, plus one of their three wins came against Austin.   The other two came against teams with a total of one win between them.   For their part, AC (who I've seen twice already) is on the right track but they have another year or two to go before they're up there with the Millsaps, DePauws, and Trinitys.
Title: Re: Subtle Improvement with Millsaps
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2007, 09:02:29 PM
Quote from: Big C on October 10, 2007, 04:38:21 PM
As many of you who follow the SCAC blog know, one area needing improvement with the 2007 Millsaps squad has been in the special teams area of field goal kicking.

There's an SCAC blog? Do you have a link?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 11, 2007, 07:31:15 AM
Ron and Major Rev,

Trust me I know it was just one game. I know it was Rhodes playing well and Trinity playing bad. I know that you don't know what to expect from a team that has been nothing more that inconsistent all year. Trust me, I know these things.

What I was saying (as a fan) was that there is a chance for a win like this to spark the enthusiasm and maybe start winning some games. Go back to 2003, fir first 5 games Rhodes was 2-3, then it was a wake up call after game 5 and the team won the rest and came in second in the conference. All I was saying was that this past week could give the boys some confidence going into the remaining games and that they do technically have a shot, so you can't rule them out just yet.
Title: INQBScout
Post by: Fripp52 on October 11, 2007, 08:00:25 AM
Are you planning to be at the DPU Trinity game on Saturday ?  We will be in the parking lot around 10 AM tailgating.  Marshall Reavis, Kirt Guinn, and Tom Donohue will be there.  Come on down and tell your parents.  Hopefully, Thomas can play - grade 1 shoulder separation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2007, 11:46:41 AM
There's a nice article in the Jackson newspaper about the big numbers being put up by the quarterbacks at the three local small colleges, Millsaps, MC and Belhaven:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071011/SPORTS030105/710110361/0/SPORTS
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2007, 01:05:41 PM
What do our experts think about this week's games?  Here's one set of predictions, but don't bet your 401k that I have any of these right:

--Trinity at DePauw:  Both teams had difficult road trips last week.  DePauw has health issues.  DePauw has a lot of past frustrations they can relieve with a win, as well as keeping hopes for an at-large bid and a SCAC co-championship.  I'm going to go with DePauw in this one with the key being the home field advantage.

--Birmingham Southern at Austin:  People seem to think that Birmingham Southern is playing awfully well for a first year program and that seems to be the case when they are playing at home.  I think Austin College gets a comfortable win in this game.

--Rhodes at Colorado College:  This is tricky since I saw Rhodes get pounded at Millsaps and they weren't much better against Washington, but then they beat Trinity.  I think we get back to most SCAC teams playing far better at home than on the road.  I have to go with Colorado College in a surprisingly comfortable win.

--Millsaps at Sewanee:  If Millsaps goes on the road and thinks they can just go through the motions and get a victory, then this will be a close game.  I don't think that will happen, especially on the defensive side of the ball--they always enjoy the opportunity to hit someone.  I'm concerned about the inability of Millsaps to turn trips into the red zone into touchdowns.  If Millsaps has to settle for FG's, then this game could stay tight.  If Millsaps can find a running game that works in the last 20 yards of the field then they will add an improtant dimension that will be needed during the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: Subtle Improvement with Millsaps
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 11, 2007, 02:00:14 PM
Quote from: Big C on October 10, 2007, 09:32:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2007, 09:02:29 PM
Quote from: Big C on October 10, 2007, 04:38:21 PM
As many of you who follow the SCAC blog know, one area needing improvement with the 2007 Millsaps squad has been in the special teams area of field goal kicking.

There's an SCAC blog? Do you have a link?

Sorry Pat - That's what I call this.

Remember, I can't spell Depauw either. --- Help me out here. What do you call this??

Thanks.

A message board.

A blog has one person driving a topic with an original post and others comment. A message board is anyone's commentary, more free-form.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 11, 2007, 03:40:57 PM
hmm.  more like one extremely long thread in a message board...   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 11, 2007, 06:20:10 PM
frank, I agree with your first and last predictions, but not the others.

Rhodes has never had problems with Colorado, and I don't expect them to. Granted CC is in the SCAC now and getting used to how things work in the conference, I don't see much change in the team. Rhodes seemed to have finally gotten things on track last week, even if it was a couple big plays against a good Trinty team that wasn't playing well. The defense was much more solid than they were against Millsaps or Wash U, and the offense showed improvement. I don't think the CC defense is that strong, and their offense won't put up much of a show against our D. Coach White will argue with me about the strength of their team, and I think that's great. Prepare like you're going to play a strong team and you'll play a better game instead of slacking off and putting yourself at risk.

BSC I just have a hunch about. does that justify it enough?  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on October 11, 2007, 09:13:51 PM
I haven't seen AC, but I saw some real athletes at BSC. With a little maturity they are going to be a force. I would give them a chance against any team I have seen in D3- I said a chance, not that they will win. In two years, they will challenge anyone in the SCAC and probably beyond.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 12, 2007, 08:32:06 AM
I have no reason to doubt that Birmingham Southern will be a good team in multiple sports in the SCAC and I haven't seen them play this year while some of you have.  They had a very close game with Rhodes early in the season when Rhodes dominated in everything but scoring (total yards were 322 vs. 77).  They were also easily dominated when they had to go on the road to Trinity (30-7 at the half, 519 yards vs. 232, and BSC rushed 24 times for 1 yard).  The stats were admittedly much closer when they played a banged up DePauw team that might have still had a hangover from the Millsaps game.  Austin is playing very well right now with far less turnovers and I don't see BSC getting their first road win.

As for the Rhodes offense, I'm not sure if they proved they were over their early season problems in the win over Trinity.  Rhodes put up over 300 yards of offense but when you look at the drive charts for the game, they didn't have a lot of sustained drives.  I'm not sure if you can always count on a 69-yard pass play and a 65-yard fumble recovery to make up half of your point total. 

While Rhodes may have turned the corner last week, I'm just thinking that the combination of a fairly good Colorado team, Rhodes coming off the emotional high of a big win, a still somewhat suspect Rhodes offense, and Colorado being at home will combine for a Colorado win this weekend.  Of course, I also thought Trinity would win on the road last week so what do I know. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2007, 10:45:17 AM
I was hoping to see BSC in person on Saturday but the missus has put her foot down.  Seems that the church men are having a football get-together on Sunday and that will take care of my alloted football quota for the weekend.

Hunter notes that Rhodes has never had a problem with CC, which is true.  At the same time you look at CC's record the last 7-8 years and they were never a .500 team, usually winning 1-3 games per season until Bob Bodor showed up to coach them.  Last year's .500 team was handily defeated by the Lynx in Memphis, 28-10; I think this year's team, which represents Bodor's first senior recruiting class, has a shot at the W in the Springs.  The key will be turnovers; with the exception of last week, Rhodes has been a turnover machine this season (lost 13, recovered 5 in first four games, lost 1, recovered 5 v. Trinity).  If they can hold onto the ball, Rhodes can win against a CC defense which has been suspect against the run.   As Frank says, Rhodes needs to sustain some drives as CC has a nice, balanced offense that can do the same.    I'm taking CC in a close one with altitude and distance contributing to the W.

Trinity and DePauw ... wish I had an injury report for the home side.  I've picked DePauw to win this a couple of times in the last few seasons and have gotten burned each time.   If TU was at home I would say they would kick butt after last week's performance, but it's another road game and they still don't seem to have a running game.   Absent that I think the DePauw defense will play a big role in the outcome.  With Marks, DPU by ten; without, by three. 

BSC at Austin - I might take the young Panthers at home in this game, but think the AC running attack will wear them down in Sherman.  AC by two TDs.  I do wish the BSC SID would quit counting varsity games against JV teams as W's; site headline says "Panthers look to get to .500 against Austin College."  Sorry, "Panthers look for first varsity win" is correct. 

Millsaps at Sewanee - strange things seem to be happening to teams that venture to the Mountain but the Majors will be motivated after the poor showing (by their new standards) against Centre.  Millsaps by 21. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 12, 2007, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2007, 10:45:17 AM
I do wish the BSC SID would quit counting varsity games against JV teams as W's; site headline says "Panthers look to get to .500 against Austin College."  Sorry, "Panthers look for first varsity win" is correct.   

Hey now, cut the Panthers a little slack.  Remember, BSC is essentially a JV team.  If BSC doesn't count wins over JV teams, perhaps the other conference teams should not count wins over BSC in their W column.
Title: BSC emergence
Post by: Major Rev on October 12, 2007, 11:31:26 AM
oldmoose, welcome to the SCAC!  Even though the transition was a shock to my BSC tennis playing daughter (kc), we are enthusiastic about you guys joining the SCAC!  Now I don't have to drive 4 hours for a tennis match!

And yes, we'll cut you some slack!  I'm not so ready to write off a team with lackluster offensive stats when they're playing with enough intensity to create turnovers!  I've picked you guys over Austin this week - your "breakout game" - and wish you luck!

GO PANTHERS!  Well, at least until Nov. 10th ... lol!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2007, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on October 12, 2007, 11:09:36 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2007, 10:45:17 AM
I do wish the BSC SID would quit counting varsity games against JV teams as W's; site headline says "Panthers look to get to .500 against Austin College."  Sorry, "Panthers look for first varsity win" is correct.   

Hey now, cut the Panthers a little slack.  Remember, BSC is essentially a JV team.  If BSC doesn't count wins over JV teams, perhaps the other conference teams should not count wins over BSC in their W column.

A varsity game means everyone brings the best players they have, which is not the case when you play a JV team.  That's why (IMO) you won't see this site listing results against JV teams as official results, the SCAC doesn't do it on their site, etc.  BSC is going to be good enough fast enough that this sort of thing isn't really necessary, anyway. 

It's not a big deal.  The Panthers have been impressive this year no matter which set of W-L records you want to use. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on October 12, 2007, 01:01:35 PM
I did notice this JV game on sunday oct 28 for bsc at huntingdon, how does that work?

http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/mens_athletics/football/jv_schedule_and_scores

I would think a bsc-huntingdon series would be a good rival game for both school's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2007, 01:32:12 PM
It's not listed on the BSC varsity schedule and they have a game against Colorado College the previous day, so this is probably a true 'JV vs. JV' matchup. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 12, 2007, 04:44:51 PM
BSC does not have a JV squad as of this date.  Perhaps they will form one, but there is no indication of that from the players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maconfootballobserver on October 12, 2007, 04:48:12 PM
Does anyone know if Colorado College broadcasts their games via internet, either webcast or radio?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2007, 06:19:13 PM
Quote from: maconfootballobserver on October 12, 2007, 04:48:12 PM
Does anyone know if Colorado College broadcasts their games via internet, either webcast or radio?

Live stats are available from their home page (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/varsity_sports/football/) but they don't seem to do broadcasts.  According to this page (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/athletics/pressreleases/PR0708/091907b2.asp) streaming coverage is coming "soon"; the site shows the game vs. DePauw being the first, and implies that it's PPV.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maconfootballobserver on October 12, 2007, 06:51:35 PM
thanks Ron
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 12, 2007, 10:09:44 PM
I agree that Rhodes has to hang on to the ball and perform better than the first few weeks. But that's like saying that they have to score more points too. We all know that the Rhodes team from weeks 2-5 wasn't the best it could have been, and that last week could have been a one time deal. But I don't think so. I don't think the coaching staff will let the guys off this week. Especially when the big reason we beat Trinity was the big plays that you guys mentioned. You can't count on that, and I know that Coach White and the assistants know that and coach that. I expect Rhodes to go up with a lot of fight, and play hard.

If the offense gets it going, they will win. Even if they give up a few turnovers. I have enough faith in our defense to pull it out. But it doesn't matter what I think, its what they guys wearing the helmets think.

And hopefully they realize that they need to step it up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 12, 2007, 10:11:36 PM
and I'd like to thank Ralph, Grey Fox, and Major Rev for agreeing with me in the Pick Em's board and going with the Lynx. They know what's really going on.  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 13, 2007, 01:15:25 PM
well my brother took my camera batteries so I cant tape highlights of the AC-BSU game.

bummer.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 02:20:37 PM
Wow - just got in from some errands and the score from Blackstock Stadium is a totally unexpected Trinity 26, DePauw 14.   DPU just scored on a Spud Dick to Alex Coors pass as the first half is just about over.

Blake Barmore already has 332 yards passing, which if not a career high is darned close.

Jeremiah Marks is playing but has been controlled so far, 41 yards on 15 carries.  Spud Dick has gone 17-28 for 224 yds and 2 TDs but has been intercepted twice. 

Oops make it 26-21 as DPU recovers a fumble on the last play of the half and Mike Sprengnether returns it 54 yards for a score.    That certainly sets up things for an interesting second half!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 02:33:59 PM
Austin leads BSC 16-0 at the end of the first quarter.  Last drive 6 plays 2:51 which is lightning fast for a 'Roo drive. 

The AC broadcast is top-notch.  I'm glad to see the guys in Sherman have some success so the broadcast team can share in that. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 13, 2007, 02:43:10 PM
When I left the Trinity game to listen to McMurry, TU led 19-0.

Wow!  A 21-7 swing for DPU!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 13, 2007, 02:45:21 PM
Millsaps recovers a Sewanee fumble in Millsaps' territory and then drives down the field for a TD....Majors lead 7-0 with 8 minutes to go in 1st quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 02:46:24 PM
BSC drives to the AC 10, stalls, tries the fake on 4th down, fumbles, recovered by AC and returned to the BSC 30.  On the first play Kent Bell takes the option inside 30 yds for the score.  11:53 left in the half, 22-0 Austin as the PAT went wide.

Yeah Ralph, that fumble return on the last play of the half could be a real momentum changer. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 02:48:44 PM
Second place in the SCAC - who?

DePauw -6 (20.7%)
Millsaps -5 (17.2%)
Rhodes -2 (6.9%)
Trinity -8 (27.6%)
Too soon to say   -8 (27.6%)
   
Total Voters: 29
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 13, 2007, 02:49:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 02:46:24 PM
BSC drives to the AC 10, stalls, tries the fake on 4th down, fumbles, recovered by AC and returned to the BSC 35. 

Yeah Ralph, that fumble return on the last play of the half could be a real momentum changer. 
TU was executing so well before that!  :-\  I was wondering who had been drinking that Greencastle Kool-aid!

TU cannot afford to lose this game.  If they remain 9-1 at worst, they are in contention for a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 02:55:46 PM
Ryan Cowley breaks out of a pack and takes it 80 yards to extend the AC lead to 29-0 over BSC with nine minutes and change left in the second quarter.

Ralph, yep if they go 9-1 it would prolly mean they'd get the AQ.  But if they don't win today they're done (and I don't go to Jackson in two weeks). 

Speaking of which Trinity gets the second half kick and drives right down the field, extending the lead to 33-21.  They got a break when Chris Baer recovered a Barmore fumble in the end zone to score. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 13, 2007, 03:07:02 PM
Baer is a good looking athlete.

So is Barmore.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 13, 2007, 03:10:16 PM
Best part about Cowley's run is that as soon as he initially got slowed down at the line of scrimmage a shoe popped off, so he broke outside and went 80 yards with one shoe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 03:11:39 PM
Hunter's men are doing their best to prove me wrong, intercepting Jon Alexander's second pass deep in CC territory.  Four plays later it 7-0 Rhodes on the strength of a four yard Ty Lake rush.

DePauw's first drive of the second half is stopped at the TU 40.  Punt to the TU 8, oob ... Barmore drives them right back, TU faces a fourth and one at the DPU 26, Plotnick just gets the first down.  Barmore close to 450 yards passing now!

BSC gets on the board with a 41-yd FG with the wind, 29-3 Austin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 13, 2007, 03:13:22 PM
Millsaps all over Sewanee....21-0 early in 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 03:18:03 PM
Colorado College responds with a nice ten play, 70-yard drive to knot the score at seven. 

Trinity faces another fourth-and-one at the DPU 6, this time elect to try a Peter Lizcali FG which is good from 23.  Now Trinity 36, DePauw 21, 2:31 to play in the third. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 13, 2007, 03:32:28 PM
Ty Lake 5 yd rush TOUCHDOWN

Rhodes 14 - Colorado 7
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 03:37:18 PM
Rhodes can't move the ball on their next possession, but CC fumbles near midfield and the Lynx methodically drive from their with Ty Lake scoring his second TD, this time from five yards out, as Rhodes takes a 14-7 lead on the next-to-last play of the first quarter. 

Starting from their 29, Trinity drives 71 yards with all but one play on the ground.  Johnathan Plotnick scores from one yard out as Trinity takes a 43-21 lead midway through the fourth.  Getting a little chippy now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 13, 2007, 03:44:23 PM
After a Colorado punt, Rhodes takes 7 plays to go 84 yds for the TD. Two big pass plays of over 20 yds each, and a few good 6-10 yd runs helps the boys get the score.

C. Hoggard on a 7 yd run. TD Rhodes.

21-7 Lynx cats.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 13, 2007, 03:45:03 PM
scratch that, PAT was no Good.

20-7 Rhodes
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 03:46:51 PM
I guess the "good Rhodes" is here to play the rest of the season, eh Hunter?   :D

DePauw drives into the Trinity red zone, after converting a fourth-and-three,  but Spud Dick's pass is intercepted in the end zone by Shaun Irchirl.

CC's Alexander scores on a 44-yard run but the PAT is missed, now 20-13 Rhodes.

On a fourth-and-short, Ross Hastings scores on a 25-yard run.  AC now up 36-3, six minutes into the second half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 13, 2007, 03:50:08 PM
Ron I would have agreed with you, except for what just happened.

Colorado takes 3 plays and scores with a 44 yd run. But they miss the PAT as well.

20-13 Rhodes



*personal note, that frustrates me so much when teams can't make a PAT. it's not that hard!!! If I can do it, anybody can.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 03:54:29 PM
BSC scores on a 44-yard pass to Mostella, 36-10 AC with 8:45 or so to play in the third.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 03:58:37 PM
DPU gets a TD on a six yard pass from Spud Dick to Chris Gasbarra, 43-28 Trinity with 2:31 to play and the onside kick to come ... Trinity recovers and are running out the clock.

Colorado College ties the score on a 21 yard pass from McDonald to Swett, 5:35 to play in the first half.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 13, 2007, 03:59:47 PM
This is exactly why I didn't agree so quickly with you.

Colorado drives, scores on a 21 yd pass to Swett. His second TD catch today.

20-20 in Colorado. 5:35 left in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 04:01:06 PM
Swett is hard to cover, a big TE who has skills.  I was amazed they didn't use him more against Austin, the 'Roos had nobody who could come close to covering him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 04:03:25 PM
Matt Ungashick is in at QB for Rhodes??   I hope Oliver didn't get hurt again!

It's a final from Blackstock Stadium, with Trinity winning 43-28.  618 yards of total offense for the visitors with Barmore contributing 476 through the air and 42 on the ground (after deducting thirty yards on five DPU sacks). 

Riley Curry - 10 catches, 165 yards, 2 TDs.
Shawn Thompson - 5 catches, 103 yards.
Caleb Urban - 3 catches, 103 yards. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 13, 2007, 04:13:54 PM
part of me wants to say that I hope Oliver is ok. The other part is glad that we get a change. He hasn't been all he was hyped up to be.

I do hope he is ok. But I hope that the backup and lead the team well. If not, it could turn ugly in the second half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 13, 2007, 04:15:12 PM
And now I have to leave. hope the boys can pull this one out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 13, 2007, 04:35:24 PM
BSC scores on 4th and goal from the 3 to cap an 81-yard drive.  36-17 Austin leads mid-4th quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 04:42:48 PM
QB change for Colorado College as Scott Green is in for Jon McDonald.  Neither team did anything with their opening possession of the second half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 13, 2007, 04:44:03 PM
Austin College answers right back.  AC is up 43 - 17 with about 3 minutes left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 04:50:49 PM
Ungashick fumbles at the ten, recovered by CC's Fernandez, on third and goal Green finds Swett from nine yards out but they miss another PAT.  Colorado College 26, Rhodes 20, 10:18 to play in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 13, 2007, 04:52:52 PM
Millsaps up 45-7 early in the 4th quarter.  Sewanee has a video feed of the game running.  Very nice.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 13, 2007, 04:54:38 PM
Final from Sherman: Austin College 43 - Birmingham Southern 17.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 04:57:35 PM
Ungashick has a pass picked off at midfield, on fourth and six from the 16 CC goes for a FG which is wide left.

Given that the CC kicker has missed two XPs and a short FG maybe they'll go for it the next time a similar situation presents itself. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 05:12:56 PM
Colorado College stops Rhodes on their next possession but are called for roughing the kicker.  The Lynx take advantage with Charles Hoggard gaining 47 yards rushing in a drive which culminates with Ungashick hitting Lake with a 15-yard TD pass.  The PAT is good and Rhodes now leads 27-26.  CC can't move the ball and Rhodes has the ball on their 18, 1:39 left in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 13, 2007, 05:21:07 PM
Any injuries for the Majors today?  Was not able to see the video from Sewanee.  Hopefully the upcoming week off will help the Majors going into the big game in two weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 05:22:39 PM
Looks like Rhodes is doing to CC what Austin did last week - run, run, and run some more.  First play of the fourth quarter, Haggard rips off a 46-yard run to the CC nine, but after Lake is stopped for a one yard loss two pass attempts go nowhere and a 34-yard field goal attempt is wide right.  Rhodes holds on to a one point lead with 13 minutes to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 05:32:12 PM
Ross Allisani, CC's leading receiver, now playing QB for them.   Not looking good for the Tigers as they have to punt it back to Rhodes with 7:09 left. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 13, 2007, 05:34:10 PM
SIX. HUNDRED. YARDS.

There's my postgame recap from Greencastle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 13, 2007, 05:36:20 PM
some stats from the AC/BSC game...

Austin College totes it 64 times for 422 yards rushing with all six of their scores coming on the ground.  Ryan Cowley finishes with 17 carries for 181 yards and 2 TD, Ross Hasten adds 15 carries for 114 yards and a score.

Joe Thigpen completes 24-of-45 for 277 yards, 2 TD, and a pick and also leads the Panthers with 55 rushing yards.

This is the second time in the last three games that AC has rushed for more than 400 yards.  This is also the first three game win streak for AC since 2002.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 05:41:54 PM
Congrats to the 'Roos!  Very impressive performances during the winning streak!

Meanwhile in the Springs there are less than two minutes left, CC has the ball on the Rhodes 5, first and goal ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 05:46:27 PM
Fourth and goal at the one for Colorado College ... what will they try ??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 05:47:59 PM
It's a 22-yd FGA ... shorter than an extra point ... GOOD by Max Green!

Colorado College 29, Rhodes 27, 1:06 to play and Rhodes used at least one time out on that drive, which was almost all RB Justin Alexander.

Rhodes is near midfield as time runs down ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 05:51:58 PM
Ungashick completes three passes to Justin Sealand, the Lynx are at the CC 32, and looks like he grounded it to stop the clock.   Still 29 seconds left!  The Tigers take a time out to figure out what the heck is going on.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 13, 2007, 05:53:02 PM
Lots of Pick'ems riding on this one!   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 05:53:50 PM
TO didn't work, Ungashick finds Bryn Meredith for 13, ball at the CC 19, clock ticking...

Offsides on CC moves it to the 14, stops the clock, pass incomplete, 2nd and five ...

0:15 to play, CC takes another time out, Rhodes says "thank you" (or are they trying to ice the kicker?  wish they had radio)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 05:56:36 PM
Yep, but it didn't work, 31 yd FGA is GOOD by Catalanatto, Rhodes wins barring some bizzare play on the return!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 13, 2007, 06:17:13 PM
Millsaps secured its first consecutive winning season since they had four straight in the early nineties: 1990 (5-4), 1991 (7-2), 1992 (5-4-1), and 1993 (5-4).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 13, 2007, 08:09:52 PM
was at the AC game today.  They played very tough and were extremely well prepared out the gate.  They cut down on the penalties and turnovers and it made a huge difference.  The second half was a little sloppy and the Panthers tried to claw back in it but AC woke up and got it back together nicely.  Hopefully that will be a nice lesson in not letting up.

Coach Gage is really turning things around nicely.  As long as AC plays mistake free football in the next three games they should have a very good shot at being in them and winning.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 13, 2007, 08:13:55 PM
Wow, Trinity gave up 5 sacks today?  Seems like a lot of sacks last week as well, no? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2007, 09:18:02 PM
Given that Trinity totaled 600+ yards of offense and averaged over 20 per completion, one could guess that the DPU strategy was to send an extra guy or two after the QB from time to time.   Whatever the defensive strategy, sometimes it worked (five sacks) but most of the time it did not as Barmore today set the all-time Trinity individual total offense record. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 14, 2007, 02:28:02 AM
Having a couple adult beverages in me, and after reading the comments here, I can only say that Rhodes pulled this one out. It wasn't a "find a way to win" situation, or a way to lose, this seemed to come from thin air.

After leading early, Colorado comes back to take the lead late in the 4th. Somehow the Rhodes back-up QB (haven't heard any word on Oliver yet) comes in, goes to his old faithful Sealand, then Meredith to get them into field goal position. Chris Cat, a superior kicker who walked on as a whim drains the game winner with very little time left.

This is a team that believes now. They won't give up. Homecoming next weekend, so expect a big crowd. And the Lynx can see the opportunity. If the "good" lynx show up for the rest of the season, mark them down as second in the SCAC. The game with Depauw turns out to be much bigger than we thought. Since Rhodes and Trinity are the two with one loss each, if Trinity loses to Millsaps, Rhodes has second. If Trinity wins, its a 3 way tie.

My boys won't shy off of that fact. They know it, and they'll step up to it. Congrats to the Rhodes Lynx for pulling this one out. Let's improve this week and dominate Austin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 14, 2007, 09:08:40 AM

Trinity plays Sewanee this week.

Trinity plays Sewanee this week. 

Trinity plays Sewanee this week. 

Trinity plays Sewanee this week. 

Trinity plays Sewanee this week. 

Trinity plays Sewanee this week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 14, 2007, 12:50:55 PM
--An impressive win by Trinity at DePauw this week.
--A miracle finish by Hunter's Lynxs in the mountains of Colorado.
--Austin played well at home and BSC is getting valuable experience for future seasons.
--It sounds like Millsaps put together their most complete game of the season.  It's nice that they'll have an open date next week to prepare for the matchup with Trinity.

Here's a link to the Millsaps story and I'll also cut and paste some interesting game notes from the end of the article:
Link:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/101307story.shtml
Game notes:  The Majors have won 11-straight SCAC games dating back to last season ... the Majors' defense has held opponents under 200 yards in 5 of the last 6 games ... Millsaps did not allow a red zone attempt ... the Majors are outscoring league opponents 194-41 ... Joseph has completed 30+ passes and thrown for 335+ yards in four consecutive starts and is two TDs shy of breaking his own single-season and school record breaking 21 TDs from last year ... the Majors broke a single-game team record with 42 completions ... Millsaps now has three receivers with five TD receptions or more (only one in 2006, Chris Jackson; 9) the Majors have won six straight-games in back-to-back seasons for the first time in school history (86 years).

Link to Millsaps-Sewanee box score:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF-1013.HTM

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 14, 2007, 05:04:28 PM
Big C: Every team plans off of what another teams success was against their opponent. That's why they watch film. Knowing what you want to do and executing are two very different things, though. It's not as easy as it looks. The game, in many ways, is all or nothing for both teams (Trinity and Millsaps), and both teams will bring their "A" game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 14, 2007, 06:00:48 PM
The answer to your question is no.  I did not feel one portion of the field was exploited more often than the other. 

Trinity threw just about whatever route they wanted.  Had success down the middle, on the out routes, throwing the fade, running screens, etc. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 14, 2007, 06:05:59 PM

Barmore averages 300 yards per game passing.  Even against Rhodes, they had a bunch of big gainers.  It may have had more to do with Trinity than it had to do with Depauw.  As for how they'll do against Millsaps, Trinity doesn't play the Majors this week.  The Majors have the superior squad right now, so don't worry.  That's two weeks away anyway. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2007, 06:58:36 PM
The latest D3football.com Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2007/week-7) is out.

Trinity 21st, Millsaps is the first team RV (26th). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2007, 07:04:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2007, 06:58:36 PM
The latest D3football.com Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2007/week-7) is out.

Trinity 21st, Millsaps is the first team RV (26th). 
The best chance that I see for Millsaps to crack the Top 25 is for #19 Linfield to lose to Pac Lutheran in a tight game for the NWC lead.  I think that the winner of this game has the best chance for a Pool B bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 15, 2007, 07:49:31 AM
Ralph, are you saying that if Millsaps wins out they won't crack the top 25 unless somebody loses? Granted, that will probably happen, but to be stuck at 26th would be rather frustrating.

In other news, Rhodes Homecoming this weekend vs. Austin College. After a tough/lucky road win we come back to Memphis where we feel and play a little better as everybody knows. But Austin is coming off a trouncing of a game against BSC which could increase their confidence.

I think Rhodes wins by 10 and I finally get a good reason to celebrate in Memphis.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2007, 08:12:00 AM
Quote from: HunterT on October 15, 2007, 07:49:31 AM
Ralph, are you saying that if Millsaps wins out they won't crack the top 25 unless somebody loses? Granted, that will probably happen, but to be stuck at 26th would be rather frustrating.
I was specifically thinking about this weekend.

Reviewing the Top 25 shows that there are very few 9-1 teams from competitive conferences that don't crack the Top 25 by week 11.

There are plenty of conferences in which the contenders still have to play, which was the gist of the front page article yesterday, e.g., Franklin winning the critical HCAC game versus MSJ and Wabash pulling ahead in the NCAC so early.

Millsaps is comfortably positioned on the radar, and I can see a successful  Millsaps post-season performance boosting them as high as they go deep into the post-season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 15, 2007, 11:46:36 AM
RE: various comments on Trinity's game at DePauw

Had a great weekend on the trip with the Trinity Tigers.  A very fine group of young men and their coaches ... I was proud to be associated with all of them.  Definitely turning heads in the airports and restaurants as a group of 20-year olds in neckties and jackets is really something to witness!

The atmosphere was all business on Friday and Saturday pre-game ... everyone focused and determined.  Not alot of nonsense or small talk.  The guys seemed anxious to get on the field and erase the bad taste from the previous weekend.  Cool and dry weather provided a great day for football in Greencastle.

Trinity came out strong and other than a let-up and a couple errors just before the half, they looked very good.  Barmore was cool in the pocket and stepped up or rolled out as pressure from the defense was applied.  To answer earlier questions about the long completions ... the backs and O-line provided good protection, but when defenders broke through, Barmore moved well and forced DPU's DB's to watch him instead of their coverage.  Trinity receivers stayed on route or broke to open spots and that's why there were so many big-yardage receptions by so many different receivers.  Well done, men.  The running game got on track in the second half to eat up some clock time and that also helped open up the passing game.  The Black Flag responded well to early miscues and mostly contained Marks (just returned from a few games off due to injury) and showed tougher coverage on DPU receivers who still managed a number of tough catches.

All-in-all a very fine performance by a good Trinity team.  Good plans were well executed resulting in stronger trust between coaches and players.  The theme is clearly "one week at a time" as it should be under the circumstances.  I would expect everyone to work hard to maintain this momentum.  Zero comments on later season opponents were overheard ... Sewanee is the current focus.

Congratulations to the TU Tigers on a fine performance and looking forward to more of the same in coming weeks.  Bring your best every day and good things will happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2007, 02:46:23 PM
Interesting trivia from the SCAC website:

--Millsaps leads the SCAC in scoring defense (11.1 ppg), pass defense (137.4 ypg), rushing defense (78.3 ypg), and total defense (215.7 ypg).  Obviously Millsaps has an outstanding defense and the numbers aren't because the Millsaps offense is on the field so much.  In time of possession Millsaps only ranks 7th in the SCAC at 28:56 minutes per game.

--Given the team defensive numbers, you would think that Millsaps would have players high up the SCAC tackle chart.  As it turns out, two players from Millsaps rank in the SCAC's top 50 in tackles--Shawn Gillenwater ranks 40th at 5.3 per game and Casey Younger is tied for 46th at 4.9 per game.  In breaking down the players from 1-39, I found the following number of players ahead of Gillenwater:

Colorado College--7 players
Centre--6 players
Rhodes--5 players
Birmingham--5 players
Sewanee--5 players
Austin College--4 players
Trinity--4 players
DePauw--3 players

Compare these numbers to last year when Millsaps finished with 8 players in the top 50 and 5 of those players were in the top 23.  Great individual numbers but the team defense was near the bottom of the conference, ranking 5th in scoring defense, 7th (last) in passing defense, 4th in rushing defense, and 7th in total defense.

I found the numbers interesting and surprising.  We've talked all year about the depth of talent on the Millsaps defense, but I didn't realize that depth of talent had diluted the individual stats so much.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 15, 2007, 03:27:35 PM
Think of it this way:  the better your defense plays as a unit, the fewer the offensive plays your opponents can run.  The fewer the offensive plays your opponents run, the fewer the opportunities for your defensive players to rack up individual stats.  If your defenders are making lots of tackles, it's because your opponents always have the ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 15, 2007, 03:37:37 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on October 15, 2007, 03:27:35 PM
Think of it this way:  the better your defense plays as a unit, the fewer the offensive plays your opponents can run.  The fewer the offensive plays your opponents run, the fewer the opportunities for your defensive players to rack up individual stats.  If your defenders are making lots of tackles, it's because your opponents always have the ball.

Agreed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2007, 04:09:25 PM
That's certainly part of the story, but it's surprising that the number of defensive snaps per game isn't that different for all the teams in the SCAC.  I may be off by one on a couple of these, but I came up with these defensive snaps per game:

Trinity--62
Millsaps--64
Rhodes--66
Austin--66
Centre--70
Sewanee--71
DePauw--71
Colorado--72
Birmingham--75

So in reality the Millsaps defense is playing about the same number of snaps as the other teams, they are just spreading out the tackles over so many players this year.  I just thought it was interesting that the individual numbers were down so dramatically this season.  From what I know of the players, they are much more concerned about the team stats than their individual totals.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on October 15, 2007, 05:40:14 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2007, 04:09:25 PM
That's certainly part of the story, but it's surprising that the number of defensive snaps per game isn't that different for all the teams in the SCAC.  I may be off by one on a couple of these, but I came up with these defensive snaps per game:

Trinity--62
Millsaps--64
Rhodes--66
Austin--66
Centre--70
Sewanee--71
DePauw--71
Colorado--72
Birmingham--75

So in reality the Millsaps defense is playing about the same number of snaps as the other teams, they are just spreading out the tackles over so many players this year.  I just thought it was interesting that the individual numbers were down so dramatically this season.  From what I know of the players, they are much more concerned about the team stats than their individual totals.

Could it be that teams are passing more? If Millsaps is generally ahead from the start I would think that teams are throwing to catch up- which translates into fewer tackles. You might look at the passing attempts against Millsaps and find your answer.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 15, 2007, 06:39:44 PM
QuoteCould it be that teams are passing more? If Millsaps is generally ahead from the start I would think that teams are throwing to catch up- which translates into fewer tackles. You might look at the passing attempts against Millsaps and find your answer.

well not so much if you are Austin College.  we only threw it 15 times in that game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 15, 2007, 08:52:36 PM
2007 SCAC Football
          Millsaps College Overall Team Statistics (October 13, 2007)
                                   All games

TEAM STATISTICS                          MC          OPP
--------------------------------------------------------
RUSHING YARDAGE...............          800          548
  Yards gained rushing........          953          795
  Yards lost rushing..........          153          247
  Rushing Attempts............          224          232 
  Average Per Rush............          3.6          2.4
  Average Per Game............        114.3         78.3
  TDs Rushing.................            9            4
PASSING YARDAGE...............         2337          962
  Att-Comp-Int................    325-215-4    217-94-11
  Average Per Pass............          7.2          4.4
  Average Per Catch...........         10.9         10.2
  Average Per Game............        333.9        137.4
  TDs Passing.................           25            5
TOTAL OFFENSE.................         3137         1510
  Total Plays.................          549          449

Teams are actually trying to be fairly balanced against Millsaps, and actually favoring the run.
Though the Millsaps offense does jump on people quickly most times, teams usually stick to their game plan atleast through the first half. The few times the Millsaps offense has struggled, the defense held tight and gave the offense some good looks via turnovers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 15, 2007, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on October 15, 2007, 08:52:36 PM
Teams are actually trying to be fairly balanced against Millsaps, and actually favoring the run.
Though the Millsaps offense does jump on people quickly most times, teams usually stick to their game plan atleast through the first half. The few times the Millsaps offense has struggled, the defense held tight and gave the offense some good looks via turnovers.

With further research, I find that Millsaps has seen their opponents attempt more passes than any other defense in the conference by anywhere between 10-50 attempts depending on the team.

Furthermore, more of those passes are resulting in incompletions due to Millsaps being the 6th best team nationally in pass efficiency defense (78.0, no other SCAC team in the Top 50).  One has to think if they see more passes than anybody else, and a higher percentage of them are incomplete than anybody else, it must provide fewer opportunities for tackles to some degree. 

I'm no math major, but I think that sounds about right, doesn't it?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 15, 2007, 09:38:56 PM
Agreed.

Wes you could teach me algebra anytime. I actually followed what you said.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2007, 10:54:05 PM
SCAC OFFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Games of October 13


BLAKE BARMORE OF TRINITY UNIVERSITY, a 6-3, 213-pound senior quarterback from Friendswood, Texas, has been selected the SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 13. Barmore enjoyed the best game of his career – and one of the top performances in school history – in a must-win on the road against DePauw University on Saturday, leading the team to a 43-28 victory. Barmore finished with a school and SCAC record 518 yards of total offense in the game, including 476 yards passing – the fourth-highest total in school history. Barmore completed 22 of 32 passes and threw two touchdowns, and also rushed for 42 yards and two scores. He accounted for four of the team's six touchdowns. For the season, Barmore has completed 118 of 181 (65.2%) through the air for 1,802 yards and 11 touchdowns. He is averaging 300.3 yards per game passing and holds an efficiency rating of 164.46 on the year. The two rushing touchdowns this week were the first of the season for the senior quarterback.

SCAC DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK


JONATHAN BROOKS OF MILLSAPS COLLEGE, a 5-8, 175-pound junior cornerback from Roxie, Miss., has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 13. Brooks picked off two passes and returned a fumble 14 yards for a score to pace a Millsaps defense that allowed a season-low 125 total yards in a 45-7 win at Sewanee on Saturday. In his first year in a Majors uniform, Brooks leads the team with four interceptions and is tied with teammate Marcus Harris with nine passes defended.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 16, 2007, 11:50:56 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson (DPU3619) on October 15, 2007, 09:15:34 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on October 15, 2007, 08:52:36 PM
Teams are actually trying to be fairly balanced against Millsaps, and actually favoring the run.
Though the Millsaps offense does jump on people quickly most times, teams usually stick to their game plan atleast through the first half. The few times the Millsaps offense has struggled, the defense held tight and gave the offense some good looks via turnovers.

With further research, I find that Millsaps has seen their opponents attempt more passes than any other defense in the conference by anywhere between 10-50 attempts depending on the team.

Furthermore, more of those passes are resulting in incompletions due to Millsaps being the 6th best team nationally in pass efficiency defense (78.0, no other SCAC team in the Top 50).  One has to think if they see more passes than anybody else, and a higher percentage of them are incomplete than anybody else, it must provide fewer opportunities for tackles to some degree. 

I'm no math major, but I think that sounds about right, doesn't it?

Although I don't disagree with your point, I'm not sure where you got you numbers. Per the SCAC website, the team leading the conference in pass plays defended is Austin College with 218. Millsaps is only one behind at 217. Further, the team that has faced the least amount of passes is BSC, though they've had 150 fewer defensive snaps than Millsaps.
I'm not a math major either, but if we break down the total number of defensive plays, and determine how many of them were against the run, the percentages further prove my point of balance against the Millsaps defense.

(Run play calls/total offensive plays faced)
Depauw- 215/424 = 50.71%
Trinity- 191/372 = 51.34%
Millsaps- 232/449 = 51.67
Rhodes- 209/397 = 52.65%
Austin- 244/462 = 52.81%
Sewanee- 244/427 = 57.14%
Centre- 243/418 = 58.13%
BSC- 189/301 = 62.79%
Colorado- 287/435 =65.98%

That said, I don't disagree with any of your points, but I still hold my point--teams are trying to remain balanced against the Millsaps defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 16, 2007, 11:53:38 AM
The original question was number of tackles, yes? With Millsaps' opponents low completion percentage, it's going to limit the number of plays which involve tackles.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 16, 2007, 11:57:22 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on October 16, 2007, 11:50:56 AM
That said, I don't disagree with any of your points, but I still hold my point--teams are trying to remain balanced against the Millsaps defense.

Yes.  You're correct.  But, unless you're trying to change the subject, I don't see what it has to do with what we're talking about.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 16, 2007, 12:24:00 PM
I was just shooting at the point that Millsaps hasn't seen (percentage) many more passes than most other SCAC teams. There were several games in which the game didn't get out of hand until the second half. If there's a surplus number of passes faced, I think it has more to do with how the Millsaps defense plays on 1st and 2nd down than it does the score of the game. Sewanee was still trying to establsh the run last week, despite being down 20+ points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 16, 2007, 01:14:15 PM
to make this a bit easier to look at, each team is seeing on average X passes per game.

DePauw - 34.8
Rhodes - 31.3
Austin College - 31.1
Millsaps - 31
Sewanee - 30.5
Trinity - 30.2
Centre - 29.2
BSC - 28
Colorado College - 26.6

It must be noted that the teams with the worst rush defenses are also the ones that are the least passed on (for obvious reasons).  The anomaly is AC having the #7 rush D in the SCAC and still getting thrown on the 3rd most.

It really does not seem as if teams are throwing any more on Millsaps than the others looking at this.  Also, JKid is right in that most of Millsaps game seem to be broken open in the 4th quarter and that could lead to them being passed on a bit less than the scores would indicate or in others they get so far ahead early that they are just running clock all game.

As for the bit about the tackles, obviously since they only let 43% of passes be completed, there are less chances for tackles.  However as their rush D is also the best in the SCAC, I think the tackles being spread out is more just that they are running their schemes very well and the players are in the correct positions to make plays. 

Often when a team has one guy making the majority of the tackles its an indication that they are not very good (on defense at least).  Its almost always a LB or a safety leading in tackles and thats b/c the RBs and WRs are breaking through to the second and third defensive levels far too often.  When you are able to stop that, the tackles are more dispersed as they are no longer having to clean up other defensive players mistakes.

That said, IMO its the Millsaps defensive line that is the catalyst for the tackles being spread out.  Not only are they getting pressure on QBs disrupting routes and throws, they are not letting opposing RBs make too many big gains past the line and are playing proper contain.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2007, 01:33:05 PM
I really didn't mean to start a debate on this and I wasn't really asking for specific answers, I just found it interesting that the individual numbers had dropped so low for Millsaps players while the defense has obviously improved since last year.

While everyone has made valid points on why the numbers have dropped, it seems to me that the most dynamic reason for the drop is the increase in depth at Millsaps.  Last year the starters usually played the entire game with little rest.  This year they are getting breaks throughout the game and are often on the sideline for much of the 4th quarter.  It seems to be an awfully good sign that Millsaps can spread the work load over a wide range of players and still have such good results.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2007, 05:00:42 PM
The SCAC continues to get love in the Week 7 D3football.com Team of the Week (http://www.d3football.com/tow/):

QB Blake Barmore, Sr., Trinity (Texas)
Barmore finished with a school and SCAC record 518 yards of total offense in the game, including 476 yards passing. He completed 22 of 32 passes and threw two touchdowns, and also rushed for 42 yards and two scores in the Tigers' 43-28 win over DePauw.

DB Shaun Irchirl, Sr., Trinity (Texas)
Irchirl helped lead Trinity to a 43-28 win over DePauw, accounting for five solo tackles and three turnovers. He forced a fumble and picked off two passes in the red zone to end a pair of DePauw drives.

DB Jonathan Brooks, Jr., Millsaps
Brooks picked off two passes and scooped up a fumble and returned it 14 yards for a score in the Majors' 45-7 road win at Sewanee.

Congrats to all!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 17, 2007, 04:04:40 PM
This has been a quiet day after all that talk about numbers the past couple days.

I hope that doesn't mean that this week is the week where there is no controversy over who wins. Minus KentATM and jekelish picking Austin on the pick-em board, and Wes, Josh, and exmajor picking BSC, everybody seems to agree.

So let's ask the question to those guys,
*Why do you think Austin stands a chance (sorry, have to be a little bias this week)?
*and is this the week for BSC to finally win one against Centre? They are playing at home which seems to be a difference maker for them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 17, 2007, 04:36:29 PM
I can't give a well thought out reason as to why I chose BSC besides what you already said about them being at home and a fairly long trip for Centre. 

I need to catch some guys ahead of me in the standings and I'll have to get creative in order to do that.  The only other way I could have gone was to go with Austin over Rhodes in Memphis and I don't see that happening this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 17, 2007, 07:09:49 PM
I feel that the Roos will take it as long as they avoid turnovers.  They seem to have gotten over the fumble bug the last few games and its not like they throw enough to worry about INTs.

Its mainly the way they are carrying themselves this year.  I have never seen them actually exude confidence.  However, they are also very mindful of the fact that they still cannot commit too many mistakes to win.  The simple fact that they believe they can win now is HUGE.  It used to be they would get down by a couple scores and the floodgates would open.  They have actually been able to come back in games this year.  They have been able to hold leads.  They have been able to make big plays.  They are no longer quitting when they get down.  It just seems that all of that is starting to take hold.

I think they can handle what should be a close, hard fought, low scoring game. 

Besides, I never pick against my team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2007, 11:41:46 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 17, 2007, 04:04:40 PM
So let's ask the question to those guys,
*Why do you think Austin stands a chance (sorry, have to be a little bias this week)?

(1) Rhodes beat BSC by 3, AC beat them by 25.
(2) Rhodes beat CC by 1 (and CC had a WR playing QB for a half), AC beat them by 5 (with CC's #1 QB playing the entire game).
(3) We don't know who's playing QB for Rhodes this week.

Yes, Rhodes was on the road for both games while AC was at home for both, but if you're an AC supporter, those results still still give hope.

And the fact still remains that Rhodes has played exactly one impressive game on both sides of the ball all season - too bad it had to be against my guys!    Combined margin of victory in the four wins:   +25; combined margin of defeat in two losses, -63.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 18, 2007, 02:53:41 AM
Quote2:00 CT: Austin College vs. Rhodes. The Lynx are not out of this thing yet. If they can win out and get a Trinity win at Millsaps, we'll have a three-way tie on our hands. Before they start thinking about winning out, they better think about how they're going to get by the much improved Kangaroos.

by the way, it made me extremely happy to actually see our full name written out for once.  Thanks much Wes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 18, 2007, 12:02:36 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 18, 2007, 02:53:41 AM
Quote2:00 CT: Austin College vs. Rhodes. The Lynx are not out of this thing yet. If they can win out and get a Trinity win at Millsaps, we’ll have a three-way tie on our hands. Before they start thinking about winning out, they better think about how they’re going to get by the much improved Kangaroos.

by the way, it made me extremely happy to actually see our full name written out for once.  Thanks much Wes!

I agree Kent, I sent Wes an email thanking him for putting that game in the ATR.

I agree that Austin College is having a better year this year than in past, they are fighting and not laying over and taking the loss, they are making people work for it. I applaud that effort and think that is what the SCAC needs. I also agree with Ron about comparing the similar opponents, Rhodes did not do so great against them, while Austin College did well.

And I agree that Rhodes has a QB question because of injury or whatever other reasons. This could be big, but it could also mean that Rhodes will run the ball with their 2 or 3 good backs. I think even with the QB in question, Rhodes can control the ball and the clock and take control of the game.

And like Kent said, I can't pick against my own team. I see Rhodes winning this one at home. Hopefully by a decent amount, but i wouldn't count out a nail-biter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 18, 2007, 03:20:36 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 18, 2007, 02:53:41 AM
Quote2:00 CT: Austin College vs. Rhodes. The Lynx are not out of this thing yet. If they can win out and get a Trinity win at Millsaps, we'll have a three-way tie on our hands. Before they start thinking about winning out, they better think about how they're going to get by the much improved Kangaroos.

by the way, it made me extremely happy to actually see our full name written out for once.  Thanks much Wes!

Hey!  I used the full Austin College name in several posts and never got a word of thanks.  Are you just sucking up to Wes now that he is a big time columnist with the power to make or break a team??? ;) ;) ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 18, 2007, 03:50:08 PM
Boy is somebody gonna be mad when they find out I stuck that in there as a joke after our conversation a couple weeks ago.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 18, 2007, 03:57:03 PM
Gonna be even madder when he finds out that it only got published that way because this editor dropped the ball. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 19, 2007, 12:21:29 AM
sometimes a mistake can be a good thing. i have no complaints either, since Rhodes was listed right next to "Austin College"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 19, 2007, 03:20:54 AM
well now I feel like Charlie Brown with you guys being Lucy. 

off to the corner to cry myself to sleep.   :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2007, 07:34:19 AM
Well now I feel bad  >:( (or maybe not  :))

In all seriousness, I do understand the reasons given for Austin College wanting to be referred to as Austin College and they are reasonable.  However, given that this is an SCAC message board, I don't think that leaving off College or University will confuse anyone when talking about an SCAC team.  Even saying Sewanee instead of University of the South is going to make sense to most if not all.  Now if the old-timers like me start reverting back to calling Rhodes "Southwestern" or even "Southwestern at Memphis", then I think we'll have a problem.

In the meantime, I'm real interested to see the results of the Austin vs. Southwestern football game in Memphis this week--I'm starting to think that Southwestern Rhodes might actually have a shot at that 6-1 SCAC record this season.  That would create the probablility of either a 3-way tie at the top of the SCAC or Trinity falling to an unheard of 3rd place finish in the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 19, 2007, 10:24:43 AM
Well Kent, it's not like we are trying to make you out to be the "Grinch of Roo-ville"!  :D ;D :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 19, 2007, 10:34:36 AM
Frank, please don't ever call it "Southwestern at Memphis" again. That's where my dad went.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 19, 2007, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2007, 07:34:19 AM
I'm starting to think that Southwestern Rhodes might actually have a shot at that 6-1 SCAC record this season.  That would create the probablility of either a 3-way tie at the top of the SCAC or Trinity falling to an unheard of 3rd place finish in the SCAC.

I'm starting to come around to this point of view (reason I put them in that 5th place tie) this week.  If they get by Austin, the tough game is going to be DePauw at home.   Now I know DePauw is having serious health issues, but they better get back to 100% pretty darn quick. The wounded version has not played great.  The results since the Sewanee game are not very good.  If that trend were to continue, DPU may not enter the Bell Game 7-2.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 19, 2007, 12:10:00 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 17, 2007, 04:04:40 PM
This has been a quiet day after all that talk about numbers the past couple days.

I hope that doesn't mean that this week is the week where there is no controversy over who wins. Minus KentATM and jekelish picking Austin on the pick-em board, and Wes, Josh, and exmajor picking BSC, everybody seems to agree.

So let's ask the question to those guys,
*Why do you think Austin stands a chance (sorry, have to be a little bias this week)?
*and is this the week for BSC to finally win one against Centre? They are playing at home which seems to be a difference maker for them.

my response to this...

frankly, Austin College could EASILY be 5-2 right now, rather than 4-3...turnovers simply killed them in the McMurry game.  they don't fumble it 7 times, and that game is a different story.

second, you talk about ball control, but that's one of the things AC does best.  with our running game, which includes 275 rushing yards per game, a team average of 5.0 yards per carry, and the two star backs each averaging around 6.5 yards per carry, the 'Roos can control the clock with the best of them, again assuming turnovers are limited.  to back this up, they've been winning the TOP battle all year, averaging 32 minutes per game with the ball.

on top of that, i KNOW that Rhodes has won four games...but i still have a tough time calling someone a heavy favorite or thinking they'll walk away with the game when they've been outscored 136-98 on the season.  i just do.  again, i know that's because of two games...but still, any team that has been outscored for the year, i just can't concede the game to.



by the way Kent, i attempted to reply to your message, but for some reason it says i'm not allowed to reply to messages on here...wacky.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2007, 12:49:17 PM
We don't give new posters the privilege of sending PMs until they've made more posts. We've had trouble with abuse in the past.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 19, 2007, 01:04:12 PM
jekelish
I agree that Rhodes is not a heavy favorite. I think it'll be a great game, but it wont be a blowout, unless either team commits 7 turnovers, which hopefully doesn't happen. I think AC does a great job controlling the ball and the clock with their run game, that's what i've always known them for, but the Rhodes defense has been able to hold teams to low or ok running games. With the boys playing at home and coming off two wins, I think they'll be able to hold the 'roos and come away with the win.

Wes
I wouldn't think about Rhodes/DPU just yet. We've got to get past Austin, and then go away and get past Centre. I fully think we can and will do that, but I won't assume anything. Not with the way the season has gone so far. now, IF it comes to a game with Rhodes and DPU both having only 1 conference loss, it will be a great game, and I plan on being as loud as I possibly can so that the boys can pull out the win and hope for a share of the title.

NEWS FOR ANYBODY GOING TO MEMPHIS THIS WEEKEND:
The Rhodes Football Alumni Association will be having a BBQ and all are welcome to come and eat. All proceeds go to benefit the football program. All you can eat plates are $15, and there will be Whole BBQ Boston Butts for sale for $20 each. This  has happened for the last 2 years and it's been a big success each year. Hope to see people there, including AC fans.

Anybody from the board, feel free to introduce yourself. I'll be wearing my red "Rhodes Football" shirt and khaki shorts with BBQ in one hand and a coozie in the other.  Just ask around for the "kicker" if you can't find me. 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2007, 07:09:56 PM
Just a correction on Hunter's post, DePauw can't come into the game with one loss since they have already lost to Millsaps and Trinity.  I hadn't really thought about it till now, but this was a year that must have really looked good in the preseason for DePauw with both Millsaps and Trinity having to travel to Greencastle.  There's no way to know if the results of those games would have changed, but it's a shame that the DePauw team has suffered with several key injuries through most of the year.

As for Rhodes, the school formerly known as Southwestern, it is very feasible to see them finishing 6-1 in the SCAC, and just as feasible to see them finish at 4-3.  I don't see Rhodes as anything better than a slight favorite this weekend.  Then at Centre, they probably won't be any better than an even bet.  They might be a slight favorite at home over DePauw but maybe DePauw is starting to get some of these key players back by then or the current backups are improving with the additional experience.  And finally, I think they win at home against Sewanee.

Rhodes is 2-1 in the SCAC right now.  I don't think 6-1 and 2-4 are very likely end results for the season.  That would leave 5-2, 4-3, and 3-4 as possibilities.  If I was guessing to win some sort of prize, I would pick 4-3. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 19, 2007, 08:15:22 PM
Thanks for the correction Frank.

I agree that 6-1 in the conference is a long way from today. there's a lot that would need to happen before then. The first thing being a win tomorrow. But it would be nice to see the team end up with a 6-1 or 5-2 conference record. I don't see anything less than 4-3 by the end of the year, and that is even still a ways away. there's 4 weeks left and a lot of football left to be played.

In other news, an injury update from Memphis. Apparently the injury to QB Mark Oliver was more serious than I thought. His knee is pretty messed up and he will be out for the rest of the season, barring a miracle from a higher power. So it will be the freshman who finished the Colorado game making the start. The team feels good though, so I'm not worried. and that doesn't change my thoughts about the game.

Rhodes by 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2007, 01:46:42 PM
A lot of late starting games today and I've got a dress rehearsal and a concert up in Sherman tonight ... so not many updates from me today. 

BSC got on the board first with a ten play, 82 yard drive but the Centre defense has played better since that point, the Colonels just scored to go up 14-7 five minutes into the second quarter.  The Panthers are having to do it through the air since so far they are -4 yds rushing on 8 carries (couple of sacks in there).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2007, 02:00:30 PM
BSC tries to answer, drives to the Centre 21 but fumbles on a pass completion.   The Colonels score again on a 57-yard pass from Conliffe to Josh Ware.  21-7 Centre with 4:53 left in the first half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2007, 02:53:23 PM
Trinity scores on their second possession, 7-0 SA Tigers, 5:12 to play in the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:04:23 PM
turnovers kill...

Ross Hasten fumbles on the first play from scrimmage for Austin College, Rhodes recovers and scores two plays later from the AC 21.

7-0 Rhodes less than a minute in.

fumbles, fumbles, fumbles...

like i said, turnovers kill...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:13:30 PM
Ryan Cowley 6 yard run after AC converted a 4th and 2 with, apparently, a 27 yard halfback pass from Cowley to Hasten...PAT is no good...

7-6 game, 8:55 left in the first
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:21:18 PM
the AC front 7 really step up on the second Rhodes possession, as the Lynx go 3 and out with a 4th and 19 after a sack by Patrick Martell and a tackle for loss by Jared Baker.

AC getting it back at their own 25 after a penalty on the punt return...6:38 left in the first
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:27:15 PM
AC picks up their second 4th down conversion of the first quarter...

still 7-6, but AC has driven down to the Rhodes 12...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:28:58 PM
Kent Bell goes in from 11 yards out for a TD to take the lead...

2 point conversion attempt issssss...........

no good.

12-7 Austin College leads with 1:29 in the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:39:53 PM
Couldn't really get a clear idea of what just happened based on the live stats...but...

Rhodes was driving inside the AC 15, but a fumble and the subsequent return result in another AC touchdown, right now credited to Nick Zitaglio with the 85 yard return...

19-7 Austin College, 12:52 left in the half...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 03:43:26 PM
Good showing by AC today!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:44:05 PM
AC defense forces another punt, getting the ball back with 11:06 in the half...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 03:46:24 PM
Quote from: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:44:05 PM
AC defense forces another punt, getting the ball back with 11:06 in the half...
+1 jekelish.  Thanks for the updates!

Your posting will allow others of us to surf for scores and updates!

Good luck to the Roos!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:47:30 PM
I spose I shouldn't mention that I was just about to head to the gym for some quality treadmill time...ha.

I'll continue to monitor this game though while I also monitor the volleyball tournament here at AC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 03:49:06 PM
Do you have messaging for your iPhone to IM this board?  ;)

Besides, if you left the board now and AC lost the game, how could you live with yourself knowing that your absence disturbed the Roo karma?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:51:16 PM
Ralph, I'm not big time enough to have an iPhone...that's for the REAL high rollers.

meanwhile, AC ball, 3rd and 3 from the Rhodes 34...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:53:09 PM
AC goes for it on 4th and 2 again, this time they come up a yard short...

turnover on downs, Rhodes ball on their own 32 with 5 and a half left...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 03:57:51 PM
Rhodes picks up a 4th and 1 in their own territory, out to their own 45 to keep their drive going...

now we've got a timeout Rhodes with 3:07 left in the half, facing a 3rd and 7 at their own 48...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 04:00:43 PM
Rhodes picks up the 3rd down conversion, and on the very next play AC is flagged for a face mask to move the chains to the AC 29...

2:29 left in the half
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 04:04:29 PM
another 3rd down conversion for Rhodes to get it down to the AC 17, but on the very next play Scooter Means reads the option perfectly and throws the Rhodes RB for a four yard loss back to the AC 21.

Rhodes TO, 57 seconds left... 2nd and 14
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 04:07:00 PM
on the 3rd and 14, Andy Stowe comes up with a sack back to the AC 25...

4th and 18, Rhodes calls TO with 8 seconds left in the half...gonna try for the 42 yard field goal, it looks like...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 04:12:10 PM
42 yard attempt sails wide, AC takes over with 5 seconds left in the half...

'Roos take a knee to kill the clock and send the teams into the half with AC leading 19-7...

key stats...

AC has rushed for 90 yards, but also is 5-of-6 passing for 80 yards...
Rhodes has rushed for 67 yards, 3-of-7 passing for 18 yards...

AC:
Cowley - 6 rushes, 25 yards, TD
Hasten - 10 rushes, 35 yards
Bell - 6 carries, 23 yards, TD

Rhodes:
Hoggard - 6 rushes, 65 yards, TD (long of 21)
Lake - 7 rushes, 11 yards

AC has already sacked the Rhodes QB three times
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 04:13:24 PM
and NOW it's time for me to go watch a little Florida/Kentucky on the treadmill before I come back with some more second half updates...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 04:39:30 PM
Well Rhodes took the opening possession of the second half and cut it to 19-14...

and i've been recruited to help out at our VB tourney here, so updates will stop for about an hour...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 20, 2007, 04:50:15 PM
AC kicks a 41 yard FG.  5:30 left in 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 20, 2007, 04:50:21 PM
just kidding on the lack of updates, momentarily...


5:45 to go in the third, Jonathan Hersh hits a 41 yard field goal to make it 22-14 in favor of Austin College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 20, 2007, 05:07:34 PM

Final from San Antonio.  Everyone participated.  42-7 Tigers.  Can you guess which one?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 20, 2007, 05:29:25 PM
AC up on Rhodes 22-20 w/2:11 left in game.

Rhodes has the ball 1st and 10 at their own 25
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 20, 2007, 05:32:38 PM
Rhodes has a 1st down at AC 49

1:43 left
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 20, 2007, 05:33:44 PM
Rhodes 1st down AC 25

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 20, 2007, 05:35:10 PM
55 seconds left

Rhodes TD

AC - 22
RC - 26 (2pt fails)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 20, 2007, 05:36:48 PM
AC starts at 39

48 seconds

1 timeout
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 20, 2007, 05:38:46 PM
AC sacked on 2nd and 1.

now 3rd and 3 at AC 45.

timeout.

31 seconds left
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 20, 2007, 05:39:50 PM
AC list down at Rhodes 45

24 seconds

got out of bounds
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 20, 2007, 05:41:27 PM
game

AC - 22
RC - 26

argh
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 20, 2007, 06:07:31 PM

Looks like Rhodes has figured out how to win games.  Good for them and good for the SCAC.  I can't believe that as good of a team as Trinity's got, they really might finish third in the SCAC this year.  This is the Tigers' best team in three years, but Millsaps looks very strong and Rhodes seems to have a lot of confidence, certainly enough to win out. Could Rhodes have a shot at a pool C bid if they end up 2nd in the conference?  I have no idea how those are calculated. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 06:10:21 PM
TU2698,

I don't think that any 2-loss team is in good shape for a Pool C bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 20, 2007, 06:19:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 06:10:21 PM
TU2698,

I don't think that any 2-loss team is in good shape for a Pool C bid.

If anybody's curious, it seems to be that the only chance that Rhodes would have in a playoff bid would be to finish in a tie atop the standings with only Trinity.  Millsaps would have to lose twice between now and the end.

A 3 way tie would likely go Trinity, assuming they finish 9-1, which would be just about the only way a 3 way tie could happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2007, 06:27:54 PM
DePauw wins in 2OT, 41-40 at Colorado College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 20, 2007, 06:30:05 PM
Wow. That was an absolutely great game. Tough loss for Colorado College. They missed the PAT in the 2nd OT and gave up a pass interference on 4th down incompletion that would have ended the game. DPU showed some serious heart coming back in that game and winning it the way they did.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2007, 06:33:03 PM
I don't know if anyone put the score up earlier but Centre held off BSC 24-17.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 20, 2007, 06:40:54 PM
You just beat me to it, Ron.  Another "close but no cigar" for the Panthers vs. a varsity team.  BSC scored first but, when Centre reeled off 24 unanswered points, I was afraid it was about to be a blowout.  BSC put the brakes on Centre and staged a comeback, but Centre held on for the win.

Read all about it: http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2007/10/20/fb%20centre.asp?path=football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 06:44:16 PM
Old Moose, BSC is looking good.

Is there any prospect for a rivalry between BSC and any other school?

Huntingdon in a Montgomery-Birmingham rivalry game?

Sewanee?  Millsaps?  Rhodes?

Capital of the OAC might be able to pull it off, but I am not sure who else could.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2007, 06:47:43 PM
oldmoose, I actually picked BSC to get the W today.  Too bad they seemed to lose focus defensively a bit in the first half - heck, they're young.   You've got a good young QB in Thigpen.  I'll be surprised if you don't get by Sewanee (if not Colorado College). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 20, 2007, 07:02:22 PM
I think BSC looks extraordinarily good given this team has only existed for two months.

I don't know about a rivalry with Huntingdon.  It would make sense to develop a rivalry with them.  I know from other message boards that their fans are interested.  Perhaps BSC is holding off playing them for a non-conference game until we have a few upper-classmen.  I think BSC could develop great rivalries with Rhodes, Millsaps, and Sewanee
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 20, 2007, 07:30:48 PM

BSC certainly surprises me with how competitive they've been, especially considering the improvement at least at the top of the SCAC.  With that improvement, I would have to say that the likelihood of a 9-1 team from the this conference is not good.  After next Saturday, I have to think that both 1 loss teams are going to be flat as boards regardless of who wins.  Finishing the season is going to be tough for both teams, especially Trinity because I think Millsaps has a whole lot of talent to overcome sluggishness. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on October 20, 2007, 07:45:26 PM
Oldmoose " Perhaps BSC is holding off playing them for a non-conference game until we have a few upper-classmen"

u r correct

we did try to schedule yall this yr, but i understand the reluntance until yall have some 'home grown' seniors... yall should have 3-4  seniors next yr with no new transfers or losses... and 10-12 in 2009 (again) with no losses or transfers

one of our coaches said prior to this season that in the discussions with yall,  yall would try to schedule us around 2010,  ... hopefully it will b sooner

yall r bringing a jv (?) team down to montgomery on sunday, oct 28 to play our jv.... i hope we survive tomorrow...as our jv plays troy university... BIG -FAST- GOOD... thier JV is like ours...undefeated... uh... but we have only played LaGrange twice and Faulkner once... on film they r very athletic
(or so i am told)

Huntingdon and BSC would b a great rivalry.

the game we had with faulkner university varsity last week was a big deal  in Montgomery... great crowd, bands, a parade, the Mayor and city council, a trophy at the end....and lots of press

good luck to BSC (unlike the AU-UA rivalry... i do not wish death on BSC)

keep the faith & Go Hawks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 08:43:42 PM
I think that we are looking at a Millsaps-UMHB first round game if both teams win their conferences.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 20, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 08:43:42 PM
I think that we are looking at a Millsaps-UMHB first round game if both teams win their conferences.

I agree, Ralph.  I think the UMHB win today pretty much sealed that.  I'll be very surprised if the eventual SCAC champ, be it Trinity or Millsaps, isn't playing in Belton in the first round.  Maybe if Rhodes wins as the longshot, they'd do something different.  Or may be not.... even they might be traveling to see the Crusaders.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 20, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 08:43:42 PM
I think that we are looking at a Millsaps-UMHB first round game if both teams win their conferences.
I agree, Ralph.  I think the UMHB win today pretty much sealed that.  I'll be very surprised if the eventual SCAC champ, be it Trinity or Millsaps, isn't playing in Belton in the first round.  Maybe if Rhodes wins as the longshot, they'd do something different.  Or may be not.... even they might be traveling to see the Crusaders.
Wes, UMHB is playing for home field advantage for the playoffs at UWW next week.

If they don't win, then they might have to go north to either W&J and/or Wesley/Salisbury for second and third round games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 20, 2007, 09:29:17 PM
playoff talks aside, there were some good games this weekend in the SCAC. First and foremost, DPU pulling off a 2 OT win at colorado. Not gonna lie, very surprised by that one.

In memphis, you all read the updates by Jekelish (thanks) and saw what happened. Rhodes pulled it out in the end. They were not playing well in the first half and gave up some bad scores, mainly the 85 yd fumble return for a TD. But you have to respond to that, and the Lynx did just that. Coming out strong in the 3rd and taking the drive down for a TD moving it to a one score game.

Then an Austin FG put it to an 8 pt difference. Rhodes held Austin to minimal offensive production and was able to drive down and get the score to pull within 2, but failed on the 2 pt conversion. Then another defensive stand and Rhodes got the ball back with just over 2 minutes left.

Finally it seemed as though Rhodes was awaken and started to play. A few good completions to the sidelines for first downs made rhodes able to move down and save clock time. I personally thought they were playing for the FG to win by 1, but after a run up the middle for a yard or so, another run by Charles Hoggard (a.k.a. the work horse - 130 yds and a score on the day) bounced out to the left side and took it in from 25 yds out with under a minute to play to take the lead. The 2 point conversion was almost a joke with a run up the middle, and then it was AC's turn to pull some magic.

AC got a first down was able to make a short scare, but then a fumbled snap from a shotgun formation left the Roos with a very long 3rd down. After an imcomplete pass it was hail mary time, and Rhodes was able to swat it down around the 15 yd line for the win.

A big win for the Lynx, which make it 3 straight and keep the hopes alive. They are playing good ball, but it seems to be late in the game. That's the frustrating part. If they played the rest of the game like it was the last 2 minutes, I have no doubt that we would be dominant, but we don't. simple as that.

Next week in Danville KY (my least favorite place). We need to pull it out there, and then I'll feel really good about things. But playing on the road is tough, especially with the field at Centre not being the best in the nation (understatement). But this week was a good win and a great game.

I give a lot of respect to the Austin College fans. Supportive and polite. I'm glad they came and they impressed me with their road support and enthusiasm. Tough loss for them, but they are much improved and I expect good things for AC in the future.

and also, VANDERBILT won!!!! WOOOOOOOO!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 20, 2007, 09:32:50 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 09:17:58 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 20, 2007, 09:11:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 08:43:42 PM
I think that we are looking at a Millsaps-UMHB first round game if both teams win their conferences.
I agree, Ralph.  I think the UMHB win today pretty much sealed that.  I'll be very surprised if the eventual SCAC champ, be it Trinity or Millsaps, isn't playing in Belton in the first round.  Maybe if Rhodes wins as the longshot, they'd do something different.  Or may be not.... even they might be traveling to see the Crusaders.
Wes, UMHB is playing for home field advantage for the playoffs at UWW next week.

If they don't win, then they might have to go north to either W&J and/or Wesley/Salisbury for second and third round games.

Well, yeah.  I was talking about the first round, too.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 20, 2007, 09:36:54 PM
now as the playoffs are concerned, I think a Millsaps/MHB first round match up would be great. Two quality teams from the south really battling. The only problem is that I think both of these teams could go for a while in the playoffs. It's a shame that one has to be eliminated in the first round if they play eachother.

If Trinity wins next weekend then it shakes things up a lot. I'm assuming you guys have done the research and Trinity takes the tie breaker. It's a shame that in a 3 way tie Rhodes would be out of the mix, but i agree that a 2 loss Rhodes team won't make the Pool C bid. A 2 loss Millsaps team could earn the bid, but it'd be tough. I think it depends on what is going on around the rest of the South. I think the "best" situation would be a Millsaps win next week and they get the auto bid and there are no more questions.

that's my 2 cents. reactions are welcome as i'm sure they will come.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 09:44:13 PM
Remember that the other side of the South Bracket will be either Salisbury or Wesley.  We have seen Wesley the last two years, so they cannot be underestimated.  I am not sure how far the South half of the "South Region" can be assumed to go, de facto.

I always wonder how good W&J really is.  We Texas teams play them and seem to handle them nicely.

One of these seasons, that won't be the case.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 20, 2007, 09:49:40 PM
well if Millsaps is the SCAC team, I have faith that they'll beat Wesley or Salisbury. I think the Majors are playing well enough to go deep into the playoffs.

If it turns out to be Trinity, I think they can make a difference as well.

Same with Rhodes. I think if they show up, they'd win a first round game against Wesley or Salisbury.

The issue is who plays, and which teams shows up. That's why I said I honestly (painfully) think that Millsaps is the SCAC's best bet for a good playoff showing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 20, 2007, 09:51:19 PM
and will all that said, I think Millsaps is the best bet to be MHB in the playoffs.

If anybody else plays them, it's MHB easily. With home field and a very strong team, it's MHB in a cake walk.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2007, 09:55:39 PM
I understand the optimism of the SCAC faithful, but the SCAC has not won a post-season game since 2002.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 20, 2007, 10:07:00 PM
oh i agree that the SCAC has been a huge disappointment in post-season play.

i just have a good feeling.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 21, 2007, 07:37:33 AM
Any SCAC team facing UMHB in the playoffs would be a heavy underdog.  The same could be said about most playoff hopeful teams if they were matched with UMHB.  Going back to the gist of Big C's post about yesterday's game, my feeling is that he was saying UMHB is a very talented team, but not one that is hopelessly unbeatable.  Chris Brooks, the excellent SID at MC, wrote a post that somewhat echos the point made by Big C and here is a cut and paste of the bulk of his post:

"Congratulations to the Cru. Can't say I was surprised by the team they brought to Clinton, same team they always have with plenty of athletes. I hope they are able to get back to the Stagg Bowl, would be great for the conference and they certainly have the team to do it. Here are a few numbers from the game you might not see in the boxscore.

I have never seen a team with that many long runs. UMHB put up 543 yards of offense on seven runs, six of which looked like the same play,  and 107 yards on the other 41 plays. Even with the big runs, I thought the difference was six turnovers from MC. The Choctaws played with the Cru through two quarters and put up 250 yards of offense before half, but couldn't sustain it.

MC trailed 28-17 with 1:27 before halftime. Over the next nine minutes, UMHB needed five drives to score five touchdowns on an amazing nine plays. MC had four interceptions and a fumble during the same time and the score became 62-17 before you knew it. You just can't make mistakes against those guys because they make you pay for all of them.

I know the defense and the backs get a lot of press, but the offensive line has to be the strength of the team. Maybe not as big as some of the lines I have seen them have, but very athletic and physical. On most of the long runs the backs went untouched.

The defense isn't much different than all the others I have seen from UMHB, very fast. But if I tried to look for a weakness or was an opposing coach, it would certainly catch my attention that MC put up 550 yards with 523 through the air. But I'm not sure there are very many teams with the offensive weapons MC has to hurt them through the air."  (End of Chris Brooks post.)

As one of the MC announcers said during the game yesterday when he was pointing out much of the above, it is a lot like saying "This baseball game was close if you just take away the other team's two 3-run homers."  To beat UMHB, a team will have to have outstanding players, an excellent game plan, and flawless execution.  I think Millsaps is capable of such a tall order if they get into the playoffs, but I would rather find out the reality about such a matchup somewhere deeper in the playoffs, not necessarily in the first round.

And while mention of Millsaps and the playoffs is most certainly premature until after Saturday's game, Millsaps does have one huge advantage over the 2006 playoff team if the team qualifies this year.  Last year's team had 7 days between clinching a bid and kick off of the NCAA game.  It wasn't enough time to regroup from the excitement, make all the plans required for the playoff trip, and also get fully prepared to play a game.  IF Millsaps wins this Saturday, they'll have 21 days to get refocused on the playoffs, maybe even gearing game plans and schemes towards an anticipated matchup with UMHB.  These 14 extra days will make Millsaps a much better playoff team this year if they can get the big win this Saturday.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 21, 2007, 10:14:04 AM

I see that everyone is conceding the winner of next week's game in Jackson as the SCAC champion.  Does no one agree with my presumption that the final two weeks will be tough for both teams?  I think either one could go down hard for either being flat or looking ahead to playoffs. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 21, 2007, 11:22:50 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 21, 2007, 10:14:04 AM
I see that everyone is conceding the winner of next week's game in Jackson as the SCAC champion.  Does no one agree with my presumption that the final two weeks will be tough for both teams?  I think either one could go down hard for either being flat or looking ahead to playoffs. 

That's certainly plausible.  They could indeed struggle.  But it would need to be a mighty one for Rhodes or a team with two conference losses to win the AQ.

Trinity would have to beat Millsaps, Millsaps would have to lose again, and Rhodes would have to win out.  Rhodes has to at least tie with just Trinity.  If Rhodes ties with Millsaps, Millsaps still wins the bid.  Plus, Rhodes doesn't exactly that easy of a schedule left.  They have to go to Centre and see DePauw at home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2007, 11:51:17 AM
I have missed this one...

What is the tie-breaker for the SCAC in the event of a three-way tie between TU, Millsaps and Rhodes?

Is it the "Rose Bowl" rule,  Rhodes would go because, TU and Millsaps have been there recently?  Or Trinity because they have the higher in-region record?  Is it a point differential?

Thanks  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 21, 2007, 12:11:33 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 21, 2007, 10:14:04 AM

I see that everyone is conceding the winner of next week's game in Jackson as the SCAC champion.  Does no one agree with my presumption that the final two weeks will be tough for both teams?  I think either one could go down hard for either being flat or looking ahead to playoffs. 

I think all the Millsaps folks are trying hard to use "if" in regards to Millsaps winning the SCAC and going to the playoffs.  I doubt that anyone in Jackson is counting on the playoffs as a given at this point in time. 

However, IF Millsaps wins against Trinity, then wouldn't that give them the AQ outright.  Millsaps has remaining games with CC and BSC, so a win this weekend would guarantee a 6-1 SCAC record at the worst.  In the case of a 3-way tie or a 2-way tie, Millsaps would have the advantage on head-to-head consideration.  IF Trinity wins this weekend, then I agree that there is still some football to be played before the AQ is determined. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 21, 2007, 12:35:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2007, 11:51:17 AM
I have missed this one...

What is the tie-breaker for the SCAC in the event of a three-way tie between TU, Millsaps and Rhodes?

Is it the "Rose Bowl" rule,  Rhodes would go because, TU and Millsaps have been there recently?  Or Trinity because they have the higher in-region record?  Is it a point differential?

Thanks  :)


Ralph, this is from the South Region Playoffs page a few days ago. 

Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 17, 2007, 04:55:10 PM
In the event of a 3 way tie between Rhodes, Milsaps, and Trinity, the tiebreak would be number of losses.  So Trinity would win the AQ at 9-1 while MC and RC are out at 8-2.

The home office tells me to keep in mind this isn't the tiebreak for all 3 way ties.  Something about non-conference games or something.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2007, 12:52:56 PM
Thanks, Wes.  I hope that you can get the policy published on the message board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 21, 2007, 05:20:04 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 21, 2007, 10:14:04 AM

I see that everyone is conceding the winner of next week's game in Jackson as the SCAC champion.  Does no one agree with my presumption that the final two weeks will be tough for both teams?  I think either one could go down hard for either being flat or looking ahead to playoffs. 

I don't think we are conceding the winner of the game just yet. I just think most people are on the bandwagon that the Majors will pull it out. It's going to be a great game, we all know that, but I simply think that the Majors will win.

As for th playoff situations, that's all they are now. POSSIBLE situations.

I talked to some of the Lynx yesterday and they have the right mindset for their situation right now. They know it's a tough few weeks coming up, but they won't get excited about a possible tie for the title or a tiebreaker situation that would benefit them. They're focused and excited about the game ahead. They know that they haven't been playing the best ball or the most consistent, but they're aware of it and working hard to keep the momentum going. I think they'll do well for the remainging 4 weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 21, 2007, 07:17:37 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: TU JV vs. UMHB JV)

For what it's worth (probably not much, but IMHO still interesting) the Tiger JV and the Cru JV have played two full games this season: Game 1--TU JV  14  at  UMHB JV  13; Game 2--UMHB JV  7  at  TU JV  6.  Combined score (??) for 120 minutes of football was TU JV  20  vs  UMHB JV  20. Both of these JV squads work during the week with their respective varsity squads, and they run basically the same offensive plays and defenses as their varsities. Obviously there are other players participating, but no runaways were seen here.

                                                                          :o



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2007, 11:04:47 PM
Congratulations to the Majors, who have debuted at #24 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2007/week-8).

You always have to check the home page!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 22, 2007, 12:26:42 AM
Well, at least the new ranking for Millsaps gives the game the added status as a battle between top-25 teams. 

Of course, with Trinity sitting 5 slots higher at #19, I guess they would still be considered the favorite for the game unless home field advantage is worth 5 or more slots in the poll.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2007, 12:59:34 AM
Good question. I think that's on the borderline of where I would tend to assign home field advantage.

We have a take on that in the ATN podcast in the morning.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 22, 2007, 12:44:38 PM
hmm, you Trinity folk had better watch out.  The Roos are gonna mess up your season....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 22, 2007, 03:45:16 PM
Kent aren't you jumping a little ahead? AC has to get past Depauw first.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2007, 04:02:38 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 22, 2007, 03:45:16 PM
Kent aren't you jumping a little ahead? AC has to get past Depauw first.

Kent doesn't care, he just doesn't like Trinity. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2007, 04:55:51 PM
SCAC Players-of-the-Week (10/22/07)
Football - Offensive
JEREMIAH MARKS OF DEPAUW UNIVERSITY, a 6-0, 207-pound senior running back from Glen Ellyn, Ill., has been selected the SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 20.

Marks rushed for a DePauw school-record 211 yards on 34 carries as the Tigers out-lasted Colorado College 41-40 in double-overtime. Marks scored five rushing touchdowns, which tied both a DePauw and SCAC single-game record. It was just the sixth time a player from the conference has rushed for five TDs in a single game with Marks having accomplished the feat twice. His other 5-TD performance came on Oct. 8, 2005 against Sewanee. He also set a new SCAC career record for rushing touchdowns, extending his total to 49 - breaking the old mark of 47 held by Tim McDaniel of Centre College (1988-1991). For the season, Marks has rushed for 580 yards and nine touchdowns, despite missing three games to injury.

Football - Defensive
ALEX FITCH OF DEPAUW UNIVERSITY, a 6-2, 230-pound sophomore defensive end from Long Grove, Ill., has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 20.

Fitch blocked an extra point in the second overtime which helped the Tigers to the eventual 41-40 win over Colorado College on its ensuing overtime possession. Fitch also forced a fumble which the defense recovered at the DePauw 39 with 19 seconds left in regulation and the game tied 27-27. Fitch totaled six tackles on the afternoon, including three for losses of 10 yards and a six-yard sack. He also broke up one pass.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 22, 2007, 07:02:07 PM
Ron, your pick on the South Region Fan Poll Board surprises me  ;D

I'll be at the game in Jackson this weekend for my first live look at the Majors (and Tigers of course).  I'll reserve comments about the game this weekend until after, not much to say except should be a great one!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rookie11 on October 22, 2007, 10:00:55 PM
How much longer is the guy at Depauw going to coach Football and Baseball? Arent't both programs suffering due to this arrangement?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 22, 2007, 10:03:59 PM
Quote from: rookie11 on October 22, 2007, 10:00:55 PM
How much longer is the guy at Depauw going to coach Football and Baseball? Arent't both programs suffering due to this arrangement?

Don't expect any changes.

And I would answer your question with a "no".  That would be strictly my opinion, however.  Both sports had terrific recruiting classes this season.  A couple of players have raved about the high caliber of the baseball recruits.  He's got great support and coaching staffs in both sports.  I suppose you're entitled to your own opinion on the situation, however.  I'd love to know what gives you that impression other than simple conjecture.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2007, 10:17:03 PM
Quote from: exmajor on October 22, 2007, 07:02:07 PM
Ron, your pick on the South Region Fan Poll Board surprises me  ;D

I have followed Ron's picks for the last 6 years on the ASC Pick'em contest.  You have just witnessed the trademarked "Bonzo Reverse Inside Double Whammy" maneuver.

This pick will throw most other posters off, not knowing what he really meant.

Bonzo has sworn me to secrecy, but now I know how the game will turn out.  Ron only uses this maneuver about once or twice a season, and the Millsaps game was the right time for him to use that one.  The impact that this maneuver has is incredible.

I agree with his decision to use it this week.  Without my knowledge of that pick,  I just went with Millsaps' home field advantage, especially with Trinity's vulnerability on the road.

I look with even greater anticipation to the TU-'Saps game!   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 22, 2007, 11:54:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2007, 10:17:03 PM
[I agree with his decision to use it this week.  Without my knowledge of that pick,  I just went with Millsaps' home field advantage, especially with Trinity's vulnerability on the road.


I think that sums it all up right there. With Millsaps at home, even if both teams play well it's hard to pick against them this year. If the Trinity team that showed up at Memphis shows up in Jackson, then definately the Majors. But if the Trinity team that showed up at Depauw comes back, it's going to be a great game.

I agree with exmajor though, not much to say bout this one. we've said it all season. it's going to be a great game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2007, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2007, 10:17:03 PM
You have just witnessed the trademarked "Bonzo Reverse Inside Double Whammy" maneuver.

I think Trinity actually runs that play.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2007, 01:49:24 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 23, 2007, 01:38:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 22, 2007, 10:17:03 PM
You have just witnessed the trademarked "Bonzo Reverse Inside Double Whammy" maneuver.

I think Trinity actually runs that play.   

Unfortunately it usually results in a two-yard loss.   :-[       ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 23, 2007, 02:09:31 PM
First of all, please pardon the length of this post ... I've copied the SCAC YTD Stats and distilled it down to the many head-to-head comparisons between Millsaps and Trinity.  After this weekend, I'll remove the data and leave the link to the SCAC stats page.  Also, my apologies in advance to all the other fine teams and players in the conference ... the purpose here is just to show the MC/TU leaders in key categories.

Especially in the passing stats, it's clear that something will have to give this week ... both teams average +300 yards on offense, but give up less than half that number.  I will withhold further comment for now, but suffice to say that it looks like this game will be quite a match-up!

2007 Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference Statistics as of October 20, 2007
http://www.scac-online.org/football/CONFLDRS.HTM (http://www.scac-online.org/football/CONFLDRS.HTM)

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TEAM STATISTICS
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SCORING OFFENSE          G   TD  XP 2XP DXP  FG Saf  Pts   Avg
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1. Millsaps College....  7   36  31   0   0   5   1  264  37.7
2. Trinity University..  7   30  27   0   0   9   0  234  33.4

SCORING DEFENSE          G   TD  XP 2XP DXP  FG Saf  Pts   Avg
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1. Millsaps College....  7    9   9   0   0   5   0   78  11.1
2. Trinity University..  7   12  12   0   0   5   0   99  14.1

PASS OFFENSE             G   Att  Cmp Int  Pct.  Yds  Avg TD Yds/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Millsaps College....  7   325  215   4  66.2 2337  7.2 25 333.9
2. Trinity University..  7   235  155   4  66.0 2156  9.2 15 308.0

PASS DEFENSE             G   Att  Cmp Int  Pct.  Yds  Avg TD Yds/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Millsaps College....  7   217   94  11  43.3  962  4.4  5 137.4
3. Trinity University..  7   215  119   7  55.3 1178  5.5  9 168.3

TOTAL OFFENSE            G  Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Yds/G
----------------------------------------------------------------
1. Millsaps College....  7   800 2337   549  3137   5.7 34 448.1
2. Trinity University..  7   953 2156   499  3109   6.2 30 444.1

TOTAL DEFENSE            G  Rush Pass Plys Yards  Avg  TD Yds/G
---------------------------------------------------------------
1. Millsaps College....  7   548  962  449  1510  3.4   9 215.7
2. Trinity University..  7   622 1178  429  1800  4.2  10 257.1

PASS EFFICIENCY          G   Att  Cmp   Pct  Int  Yds TD Effic
--------------------------------------------------------------
1. Trinity University..  7   235  155  .660    4 2156 15 160.7
2. Millsaps College....  7   325  215  .662    4 2337 25 149.5

PASS DEF EFFICIENCY      G   Att  Cmp  Int  Pct.  Yds TD Effic
--------------------------------------------------------------
1. Millsaps College....  7   217   94   11  43.3  962  5  78.0
3. Trinity University..  7   215  119    7  55.3 1178  9 108.7

FIRST DOWNS              G  Rush Pass Pen Total
-----------------------------------------------
1. Millsaps College....  7    49  110  12   171
2. Trinity University..  7    54   92   7   153

OPPONENT 1ST DOWNS       G  Rush Pass Pen Total
-----------------------------------------------
1. Millsaps College....  7    27   42  11    80
2. Trinity University..  7    44   56   8   108

SACKS BY                 G  Sacks Yards
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3. Millsaps College....  7     22   117
4. Trinity University..  7     20   103

4TH-DN CONVERSIONS       G  Conv  Att   Pct
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1. Trinity University..  7     9   12  75.0
3. Millsaps College....  7     9   13  69.2

RED ZONE OFFENSE         G  RedZone Percent TDs  R/P  FG-AT Fumb/Int/Downs/Other
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Trinity University..  7   31-35     88.6  24 13/11  7-7     1/  0/  1/  2
7. Millsaps College....  7   28-42     66.7  25  7/18  3-10    4/  1/  2/  0

RED ZONE DEFENSE         G  RedZone Percent TDs  R/P  FG-AT Fumb/Int/Downs/Other
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Trinity University..  7   11-18     61.1   6  1/5   5-8     1/  1/  2/  0
6. Millsaps College....  7   11-15     73.3   7  3/4   4-4     2/  0/  2/  0

3RD-DN CONVERSIONS       G  Conv  Att   Pct
-------------------------------------------
1. Trinity University..  7    55  106  51.9
3. Millsaps College....  7    51  110  46.4

OPP 3RD-DN CONVERT       G  Conv  Att   Pct
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1. Millsaps College....  7    29  113  25.7
3. Trinity University..  7    32   99  32.3

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INDIVIDUAL STATISTICS
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

PASSING AVG/GAME        Team Cl  G Att Cmp Int  Pct.  Yds TD Avg/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Juan Joseph......... MC   JR  6 278 183   2  65.8 2037 20 339.5
2. Blake Barmore....... TU   SR  7 209 138   4  66.0 2022 14 288.9

TOTAL OFFENSE           Team Cl  G Rush Pass Plays Total Yds/G
--------------------------------------------------------------
1. Juan Joseph......... MC   JR  6  -14 2037   300  2023 337.2
2. Blake Barmore....... TU   SR  7   62 2022   267  2084 297.7

PASS EFFICIENCY         Team Cl  G Att Cmp Int  Pct.  Yds TD  Eff.
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Blake Barmore....... TU   SR  7 209 138   4  66.0 2022 14 165.6
2. Juan Joseph......... MC   JR  6 278 183   2  65.8 2037 20 149.7

SCORING (TDs)           Team Cl  G  TD Rush Pass Ret PAT Pts Pts/G
------------------------------------------------------------------
1. Chris Baer.......... TU   JR  7   9    8    1   0   0  54   7.7
7. Eric McCarty........ MC   JR  7   5    0    5   0   0  30   4.3

SCORING (KICK)          Team Cl  G   PATs    FGs   Pts Pts/G
------------------------------------------------------------
1. Peter Licalzi....... TU   SR  7  26-29    9-11   53   7.6
6. Taylor Russolin..... MC   FR  6  12-14    4-6    24   4.0

FIELD GOALS             Team Cl  G   FG  FGA  Pct.  FG/G
--------------------------------------------------------
1. Peter Licalzi....... TU   SR  7    9   11  81.8  1.29
5. Taylor Russolin..... MC   FR  6    4    6  66.7  0.67

FIELD GOAL PCT          Team Cl  G   FG  FGA Long  Pct.
-------------------------------------------------------
2. Peter Licalzi....... TU   SR  7    9   11   42  81.8
3. Taylor Russolin..... MC   FR  6    4    6   38  66.7

PASSES DEFENDED         Team Cl  G Brup  Int Total Avg/G
--------------------------------------------------------
1. Shaun Irchirl....... TU   SR  7   10    2    12  1.71
3. Marcus Harris....... MC   JR  7    8    1     9  1.29
    Jonathan Brooks..... MC   JR  7    5    4     9  1.29
8. Ray Kline........... MC   SR  7    6    1     7  1.00


Looking forward to listening/watching on Saturday ... GO TIGERS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2007, 02:16:56 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 23, 2007, 02:09:31 PM
First of all, please pardon the length of this post ... I've copied the SCAC YTD Stats and distilled it down to the many head-to-head comparisons between Millsaps and Trinity.  After this weekend, I'll remove the data and leave the link to the SCAC stats page.

It wouldn't be a big deal if you left it up, in my opinion. No harm.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2007, 05:17:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2007, 02:16:56 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 23, 2007, 02:09:31 PM
First of all, please pardon the length of this post ... I've copied the SCAC YTD Stats and distilled it down to the many head-to-head comparisons between Millsaps and Trinity.  After this weekend, I'll remove the data and leave the link to the SCAC stats page.

It wouldn't be a big deal if you left it up, in my opinion. No harm.

I agree with Pat and there's no need to apologize for doing a heck of a lot of work for the rest of us on the message board.  Thanks, and the numbers back up what we all seem to think--namely that it will be a heck of a game.  At the moment, the forecast is for sunny and 71 degrees on Saturday.  It's the Millsaps Homecoming so that will add to the crowd and I'm sure that plenty of Trinity folks will be in the stands, doing their best to cheer their team to a reversal of last year's results.  It should be a great day for football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2007, 05:56:41 PM
+1 Tiger Dad and thanks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 23, 2007, 07:34:24 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 22, 2007, 03:45:16 PM
Kent aren't you jumping a little ahead? AC has to get past Depauw first.

Well I have no issues w/DePauw.  I also doubt a loss to AC would ruin their yaer.  However AC taking out Trinity very likely would. 

But if you like, AC will take out take out both Tigers with a swift Kangaroo combo kick punch to the gut.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 23, 2007, 08:42:05 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 23, 2007, 07:34:24 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 22, 2007, 03:45:16 PM
Kent aren't you jumping a little ahead? AC has to get past Depauw first.

Well I have no issues w/DePauw.  I also doubt a loss to AC would ruin their yaer.  However AC taking out Trinity very likely would. 

But if you like, AC will take out take out both Tigers with a swift Kangaroo combo kick punch to the gut.

I think that resembles the "Bonzo Inside Reverse Double Whammy" right?  ;D

I also have to give lots of credit to the AC fans from this past weekend. The ones that made the trip were 1) more than I expected to make the trip, and 2) very enthusiastic when compared to the Rhodes homecoming crowd. They were great fun to watch and cheer along side. And also after the game I was walking through the parents and team to get back to the tailgate and heard nothing but positive comments about the game and how it was a shame that it turned out the way it did. NO complaints about the playing, officials, or about Rhodes in general. I was very impressed.

+1 to the Austin College fans and team
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 23, 2007, 08:45:41 PM
TigerDad -

Thanks for the stats. Great comparison.

I think it shows though that Millsaps has a slight team advantage while Trinity has the individual advantage. If the Majors can shut down the few individuals that stand out, it could be a long day for Trinity.

And I think the slight team advantage coupled with home field advantage and a large and loud group of fans give the edge to the Majors. Should be a great one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2007, 11:39:57 AM
A NOTE ABOUT THE MILLSAPS WEBSITE:

With this being Homecoming Weekend and also the weekend of the biggest game of the year, I suspect that some people may go to the Millsaps website for information.  At the moment the website is down and I won't be surprised if it is down all week. 

They have the same internet provider as my company had (US Wireless Online), and two weeks ago our service just stopped.  The word we heard was that US Wireless is in deep financial trouble and AT&T pulled the plugs on our T1 lines.  The bottom line is that we only got internet service back by getting hooked up to another provider and I fear that Millsaps may find itself in the same situation.

Hope that info helps for anyone trying to get on the Millsaps website, or to email anyone at Millsaps, or if you are expecting someone from Millsaps to email you. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2007, 06:21:29 PM
Anyone having delusions of the loser of Trinity-Millsaps getting a Pool C bid need only look at the first set of NCAA Regional Rankings (http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii) to be dissuaded of that notion.  Millsaps is 7, Trinity 8, and whomever loses will be unranked after Saturday. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2007, 07:52:45 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2007, 06:21:29 PM
Anyone having delusions of the loser of Trinity-Millsaps getting a Pool C bid need only look at the first set of NCAA Regional Rankings (http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii) to be dissuaded of that notion.  Millsaps is 7, Trinity 8, and whomever loses will be unranked after Saturday. 

Bummer. 

Not particularly surprised by that, but still, bummer.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2007, 09:01:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2007, 06:21:29 PM
Anyone having delusions of the loser of Trinity-Millsaps getting a Pool C bid need only look at the first set of NCAA Regional Rankings (http://www.ncaasports.com/football/mens/polls/polls/diviii) to be dissuaded of that notion.  Millsaps is 7, Trinity 8, and whomever loses will be unranked after Saturday. 

I'm not totally surprised.  It makes me wonder where Millsaps and Trinity would currently be ranked if Millsaps had beaten MC and Trinity had beaten Rhodes.  At best, maybe 5 and 6 instead of 7 and 8?  If that's the case, then I wonder if the loser this weekend would have been ranked high enough in the South at 9-1 to get an at-large berth?  It's a moot point now--the only way an SCAC team is going to get into the playoffs this year is to win the AQ.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 24, 2007, 11:29:53 PM
I hate that we keep going back to week 1, but the Millsaps loss really hurt them in my opinion. They're coming off a great year, and expectations were high. Then a 1 point loss and interesting player usage and suddenly questions arose and things were off. Now they're back on track, and I think they deserve to be higher than 7 in the region.

that being said, I agree that there won't be a Pool C bid from the SCAC. Maybe if Trinity had beaten Rhodes... but like you said frank, it's a moot point.

In other news, I can't really decide about a couple of the other games this weekend. I have no clue who's going to win the CC/BSC game because it's in Birmingham. I think that CC is the better team, but not by much, and that's a long road trip and a very different climate than what they've been practicing in all week.

The Rhodes/Centre game has me questioning too. I think Rhodes will win, let me just say that first. But it's the road trip that has me worried. Centre is not the best field, nor do they have the best visitor locker rooms (third worst IMO to Depauw and Trinity), but Rhodes hasn't been their best on the road this year. I think the Lynx players know that and are determined to fix it this week though. But it could be a nail biter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2007, 03:29:18 AM
Based on recent history, if the Rhodes-Centre game is a nail biter, then it will be Rhodes who finds a way to win in the closing seconds.  I've seen both these teams, but I think Rhodes is playing much better than the team that played at Millsaps.  This seems to be a tossup with Centre's home field advantage being the deciding factor in my choice of Centre for the win. 

Going only be recent scores, I agree on the call that BSC gets a close win over CC.  It appears that BSC is playing well, especially for a 1st year team, and CC has the long road trip plus the hangover of two "what if" losses at home.

You didn't mention the 4th game, namely Austin at DePauw.  Like the above two games, I might as well just flip a coin to pick my winner.  DePauw has the home field and they are 5-2 with the only losses being to Millsaps and Trinity.  It also seems like they may be getting a little healthier, so I'll go with DePauw on this one but I expect Austin to make this a close game if they hold on to the ball reasonably well.

And of course, I pick Millsaps over Trinity.  It looks to me like there will be 4 really good games in the SCAC this week and I hope the fans of all the teams get out and support the coaches and the players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2007, 10:50:42 AM
Anyone want to hazard a guess on the total number of passes thrown in the Trinity-Millsaps game?  For the season, Millsaps has thrown 325 times in 7 games (46.4 per game) and Trinity has thrown 235 times in 7 games (33.6) per game.

Just adding the averages gives you 80 pass attempts, which is probably too low.  In their last 3 games Millsaps has hit 105 of 159 passes (53 pass per game average) and Trinity has hit 76 of 124 passes (just over 41 passes per game).  Add those passes thrown per game together and you get 94, so I don't think it would be out of the question to see 100 passes thrown this Saturday. 

I think I'll go with a guess of 103 passes for the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on October 25, 2007, 11:41:18 AM
Any Centre folks on here ?

is there a lineman from centre named Riddle ?

should b a sophmore

i went to school with his dad (he was actually ahead of me a couple of yrs) areal nice folks

thanks for any info

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 25, 2007, 11:47:23 AM
Frank, I guess 88, just a shot in the dark. I think it'll be a little more control than you think. I don't think either team wants to get into a fast paced, high scoring affair, but I could always be wrong. I tend to play it on the safe side with strategies. I still take Millsaps in this game though. Too much for the Tigers to overcome.

also, I think Depauw is a lock. With Marks back, playing at home, and Austin coming off a frustrating game in Memphis, I don't see things going any other way.

Centre scares me. And I'll say that straight. It could go either way, and a lot of things will make that decision. Like I said before, having talked to the guys and hearing how they feel about things, I'm going with Rhodes. They don't want to see their chance go away. Especailly not this group of seniors. They've been frustrated for 3 years now, and I think they see the light at the end of the tunnel. If things come together for them, they could be real scary down the stretch.

BSC better than a first year team should be, there's no doubt about that. And they deserve a win this season IMO. I just think it'll be against Sewanee and not CC. Colorado is playing hard and should have won the past two weeks, but came up just short. I think this week they go out against a little weaker team than Rhodes or Depauw and get the job done. But it's not going to be as easy as some people think.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2007, 01:27:44 PM
I'm more in Hunter's territory.  While both of these offenses are good (both in the top 10 in passing), both defenses are also in the top 20 in points allowed.

I said in the column that I expect a score lower than people think, and I'm afraid that I have no choice but to stick with it.  At least until the fourth quarter tomorrow Saturday when it's 34-31.  Then I might change my mind. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2007, 03:42:00 PM
While 88 would still be a fairly high number, I still think the number will be closer to the range of the Millsaps vs. DePauw game when 101 passes were attempted.  Keep in mind that both teams are in the middle or worse in the SCAC when it comes to rushing yards per game, and both teams rank at the top of the conference in rushing defense, allowing less than 100 yards per game and 3 yards per carry.  While stats can be deceiving, I just don't think the run will be the primary means of attack.

Also, lots of passes means either lots of first downs or lots of incomplete passes, both of which stop the clock.  Some teams run the ball to set up the pass, and some pass the ball to set up the run.  Millsaps tends to pass the ball to set up the next pass, and I think Trinity will do much of the same this Saturday. 

Of course, that's just my guess and that plus $1 is worth .6984 Euros.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 25, 2007, 04:15:29 PM
Frank I think the passing numbers go up above 85 this week. Both offenses can play pitch and catch so there should be more than most people think. I think running yds on these defenses will be hard to come by so the air will be the preferred travel this weekend in Jackson. This is a big game for both programs. Watch also if TU falls behind by 2 touchdowns the passing totals will be over 105. This is what happened last year in Jackson with TU posting 50+ pass attemps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2007, 04:34:49 PM
Quote from: AF4 on October 25, 2007, 11:41:18 AM
Any Centre folks on here ?
is there a lineman from centre named Riddle ?
should b a sophmore
i went to school with his dad (he was actually ahead of me a couple of yrs) areal nice folks
thanks for any info
keep the faith

AF4: Yes, there is a sophomore lineman named Alex Riddle on the Centre football team ... he's #78 on their roster.  See their website here: http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/indiv_pages/07-08/riddle_alex.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 25, 2007, 04:50:37 PM
TigerDad,

Thanks for your help!! Karma added! ;)  PM me before the AC/Trinity game and we will talk about getting together!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on October 25, 2007, 05:18:59 PM
Tiger Dad

thanks... i do apreciate it

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 25, 2007, 07:42:34 PM
frank, did you check the conversions for the dollar to euro? I think you're cutting yourself short. Your opinion plus a dollar is worth at least .7533 euros.  ;D

All this talk about the passing game has me thinking more and more about it. I still maintain my guess, can't backtrack on that. But it makes me think with the strength of the defenses how many incompletes there will be, which leads to how many fourth downs, and how many punts. It could come down to field position in this one.

I'd personally love to see a 6-3 final. Give all the props to the defense and the kickers.  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 25, 2007, 09:12:04 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 25, 2007, 04:50:37 PM
TigerDad,

Thanks for your help!! Karma added! ;)  PM me before the AC/Trinity game and we will talk about getting together!

Somebody help me out with the karma thing.  What's that all about?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2007, 09:43:24 PM
oldmoose--It puzzled me for a while as well so I'm sure you are not alone in wondering about this.  Once someone has reached a particular number of posts (I believe the number is 200), they then have the option to give a +1 or -1 karma to anyone else posting on the board.  I think you can only do this once per day for an individual.

It doesn't seem to mean much except that in general, someone with a karma level of 44 or more is an outstanding contributor to the board (I wonder how long before someone bumps me down a notch), and someone with a negative karma is a person who might have good opinions but they tend to state them in a way that is a little bit less than diplomatic. 

Hope that helps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 25, 2007, 09:48:17 PM
hmm.  I think I'll take my chances on the diplomacy and rock it John Bolton style and say AC is going to sock DePauw in the mouth.

Of course, thats just a friendly love tap compared to what we are gonna bring for Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 25, 2007, 10:31:07 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2007, 09:43:24 PM
oldmoose--It puzzled me for a while as well so I'm sure you are not alone in wondering about this.  Once someone has reached a particular number of posts (I believe the number is 200), they then have the option to give a +1 or -1 karma to anyone else posting on the board.  I think you can only do this once per day for an individual.

It doesn't seem to mean much except that in general, someone with a karma level of 44 or more is an outstanding contributor to the board (I wonder how long before someone bumps me down a notch), and someone with a negative karma is a person who might have good opinions but they tend to state them in a way that is a little bit less than diplomatic. 

Hope that helps.

Thanks for the info.  I remember reading something about karma when I first logged on to the board a few weeks ago, but I have not been able to find anything about it since.  I guess I need a few diplomacy lessons as well as my karma level is a paltry 5!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 25, 2007, 11:27:20 PM
Old Moose,

Karma (http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Message%20board&id=34)

We are glad that you found us so quickly.


Any editorials that come out of the Montgomery or B-ham papers are greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 26, 2007, 12:59:59 AM
oldmoose,

it's really not that big of a deal. it's just making sure that people discuss positively what the players, coaches, and schools are doing. Just be mature about things and you'll be fine. It'll go up in time. Look at me, I'm hovering around 150 posts and i think i'm at like 12.

of course there was that one time... that probably knocked me down a few points.  ;D jk
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 26, 2007, 01:29:24 AM
Plus-6 with just 27 posts is a fine number. Don't worry about it too much.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 26, 2007, 08:38:40 AM
MILLSAPS WEBSITE UPDATE:

The Millsaps website is still down.  In a couple of conversations I had with folks at Millsaps this week, I know they have the same internet provider that we HAD at our office (US Wireless Online), and I have a feeling the website and internet will be down at Millsaps until they get hooked up with another provider.

As well as the website being down so you can't pull up rosters, schedules, etc., any emails sent to a 'millsaps.edu' address at this time will bounce back and they can't send any emails off campus.  Hopefully this problem will be resolved soon, but I just wanted to get this info out to anyone who might be trying to get to the website or communicate by email with someone at Millsaps. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 26, 2007, 09:01:00 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 25, 2007, 11:27:20 PM
Old Moose,

Karma (http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Message%20board&id=34)

We are glad that you found us so quickly.


Any editorials that come out of the Montgomery or B-ham papers are greatly appreciated!

Thanks for the link.  I knew I'd read that info somewhere before, but I kept looking for it under the help pages; not the FAQ's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 26, 2007, 09:03:09 AM
For those seeking realtime info/updates on the Trinity-Millsaps SCAC Showdown in Jackson tomorrow, Trinity will be (audio) webcasting the game live via phoneline-to-Internet connection. 

Here's the direct links to the .MP3 audio streams:
• HI SPEED: http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports-ch1-96kb.m3u
• LO SPEED: http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu_sports-ch1-36kb.m3u

The plan to videocast the game is on hold pending an Internet connection availability at the Millsaps pressbox.  As Frank posted earlier, that is unlikely.

Trinity's SID, Justin Parker, does have Trinity's Game Notes available on Trinity's Football website here:
• http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/08_at_MC.pdf

Frank, if you can get ahold of Millsaps' Game Notes/Preview publication for this game (in .PDF form?), please e-mail to me and I'll find a place to post it so others can download as needed ... will upload and post a link in this topic.

I'll do my best to provide periodic in-game updates here as I'll be parked in front of my computer during the game.  When I applied logic & reason, I couldn't justify 18 hours of driving to watch a 3-hour football game.  Please don't make it worse for me by commenting on my lack of dedication ... I am aggravated enough as is.

AAAAUUUUGGGGGGHHHHHH .... (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ezboard.com%2Fimages%2Femoticons%2Feyes.gif&hash=d2acc3b6dd88c35cadd3e807c1d1431a00a73b68)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 26, 2007, 10:07:45 AM
TigerDad--There may be hope for the internet.  I received a couple of emails from Millsaps this morning--apparently they can see out to the internet and they can now send emails out, but their website still isn't up and I don't think they can receive any emails from the outside world.

I don't know how the internet situation plays into the Millsaps broadcast, but here's the link for the Millsaps broadcast and the broadcast should start around 12:30 or 12:45.

Link:  http://www.live365.com/stations/wpbq?site=pro

(That's a different link from earlier in the year.  If that doesn't work correctly, try going to the link for the radio station:  http://www.espnradio1240.com/)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2007, 12:01:02 PM
Looks like it is going to be a good day for football in Jackson with highs around 70, light north winds, and no clouds in the sky.  I'll be getting up early to head to DFW to catch the flight to Jackson, hope to arrive at the stadium by noon. 

Now, on to the game.  With it being in Jackson AND on turf the Majors are at least a touchdown favorite (if not ten points).  Trinity will have a chance to win but only if they play error-free football.  They need to play like they did against DePauw (excepting the last two minutes of the first half) and even then it will be an uphill battle.   Having Barmore at QB will be a help but Trinity will need to win the turnover battle AND to do something with them.  The Millsaps offense is by far the most potent the Tigers have faced this year and that guy on the Majors' sideline knows a thing or two about coaching (so too does the guy on the Tigers' side).   I would feel a lot better about this game if it was being held in San Antonio or if Millsaps didn't have two weeks to prepare.   But things being what they are, I will say ...

Millsaps 31 Trinity 24

Other games ...

CC 34 BSC 30 - CC is used to traveling long distances and are due some good luck for a change
Rhodes 24 Centre 13 - despite the fact that the Lynx haven't won there this century
DePauw 28 Austin 27 - could easily go the other way given the way these two teams are playing of late. 

[edit - got my directions]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 26, 2007, 12:53:56 PM
Frank ... thanks for those links and the extra info you provided.  Hope the web connections get straightened out before kickoff tomorrow so I can see video! 

I presume that the teams will manage to take the field even if the Internet is broken.   ;)

Hope to see a great game by both teams and a Tiger "W" at the end.  Even if it takes a "Double-Reverse Inside Whammy."  Git 'R Done, Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 26, 2007, 06:08:57 PM
Ron, will you be in the press box?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2007, 06:14:54 PM
I'm told there's no room (sounds like Trinity) but there's supposed to be an extended press area somewhere.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 26, 2007, 06:37:26 PM
Thank you Ron for pointing out that the Lynx have been unsuccessful for the entire millineum (I need my english majors to check that spelling please). You make it sound so positive for Rhodes going up there this time.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2007, 06:44:30 PM
Waddya want, Hunter, not only did I pick them to win but by 11 points, which would be the largest Lynx winning margin over a team not named Trinity.  Take your victories where you can get them, eh, and don't forget to cheer for Trinity tomorrow so Rhodes will have a shot at the conference championship.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 26, 2007, 07:01:38 PM
oh dont worry, I'll definately take my victories where I can. I did play at Rhodes, so I understand that fact.

and yes, even though I pick Millsaps to win, I won't mind missing a prediction in that one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 26, 2007, 07:24:47 PM
I kind of prefer Trinity to beat Millsaps b/c it will make us beating them all the more sweet.   ;D


BTW, are there any SCAC rules on bringing noise makers to game?  Cow bells and can shakers ok?  I asked in the general forum but am only getting vauge answers.   


and man, instant karma is a b---h   :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 26, 2007, 07:29:11 PM
I don't think there are any rules against it. Austin broght bells last week to Memphis. We've had some bands from local high schools come, and frats bring noise makers before too. I think you'd be fine.

and you are really set on beating Trinity aren't you Kent?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 26, 2007, 07:59:11 PM
its gonna happen if we can play mistake free football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2007, 10:11:09 AM
Trinity - Millsaps preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/localcolleges/stories/MYSA102707.Trinityadvance.EN.35ad64e.html) from the SA Express-News.  I checked the Jackson paper but all they had was about three lines buried in the small college section.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2007, 10:13:29 AM
A few thoughts before heading out to Millsaps to take photos at the Hall of Fame banquet and then the game:

--I'm far from the best source for inside information, but I have talked to a couple of the coaches this week as well as listening to the coach's show.  It's clear that they have a lot of respect for the Trinity team and for the Coach Mohr and his staff.  You can tell that the Millsaps coaches are excited about playing in a game of this caliber and it's obvious that they'll be no overconfidense because of last year.

--I saw in the Trinity game notes that Trinity is only 3-7 in games where they throw 50 or more passes which isn't surprising.  When most teams throw that much, they are trying to come from behind.  On the other hand, Millsaps is close to 50 passes per games that Juan has started even though they have often pulled back some in the 4th quarter.  I expect 60+ passes from Millsaps today.

--That being said, supposedly the group of Millsaps running backs is now as healthy as they have been all year which is a plus if Trinity overcommits to the passing defense.  I have a feeling that the health of the running backs will pay off primarily in catching passes out of the backfield and getting yards after the catch.

--And speaking of yards after the catch, it appears to me that the Millsaps passing is more about short passes and yards after catch, while Trinity may throw the ball down the field more.  The Millsaps coaches said that the Trinity team tackles extremely well so I don't think it come down to them defending the pass as much as it comes down to limiting the YAC.  For Millsaps, I think the key for the defense is limiting the time that Barmore has to throw, taking away some of the longer routes by Trinity.

--And finally, in talking to one of the coaches I said that I suspect both Trinity and Millsaps have been working on things all year that they've been holding back for this game.  That just got a laugh and a no comment--it will be interesting to see what tricks both teams have up their sleeve.  You know that both of them have surprises planned that might determine the outcome of the game if they can be successfully executed.

The weather is great here in Jackson.  The anticipation is for a big Homecoming crowd.  I've seen some of the emails going back and forth from the Sapheads (mostly parents of players and other avid fans) and they seem like they are kicking it up a notch for this game.  All in all, it should be a great game setting for a game between two great teams.  If you can't be there, I hope you'll take the time to listen to one of the webscasts.  It will be a good one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 27, 2007, 02:25:43 PM
Millsaps ties the game at 7 in first quarter, Trinity has three turnovers today, Trinity returns kickoff to own 47
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 27, 2007, 02:28:25 PM
Trinity stalls out at Majors 46, Trinity punts and Majors take it out to their own 21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 27, 2007, 02:35:28 PM
End of the first quarter in Jackson, tied a 7, Trinity has ball on their own 45 to start the 2nd.  It has been turnovers and defense so far today in Jackson.

By the way, I am posting because my plane had problems from Houston this morning, three times they tried to fix it and we actually took off and flew half way there then turned around, not very exciting.  I decided to stay here and listen rather than mess with another plane.  Disappointing but very nerve racking!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 27, 2007, 04:35:12 PM
Final from Birmingham: Colorado College 38 - BSC 28.  It wasn't really that close.  BSC scored all of their 28 in the 3rd quarter.  Along with CC's 14 points, 42 points out of 66 total points were scored in the third!  Here are the stats: http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/football/2007/fb08.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 27, 2007, 05:01:34 PM
WOW
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 27, 2007, 05:03:55 PM
Tigers Win!
Tigers Win!
Tigers Win!                                                 ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 27, 2007, 05:06:20 PM
I've seen them practice that play; believe me they do!

                                                                           ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 27, 2007, 05:14:21 PM
DPU 35, AC 6 from Blackstock Stadium. 5 TD tosses for Spud Dick (most for a DPU QB since 1997).

Great. Trinity's going to the playoffs again. Awesome. I'm so delighted to hear that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 27, 2007, 05:17:01 PM
Well, this Millsaps' fan is sick.  But what a ball game !!!  Wish I could have seen it.  Maybe the video of the last play will surface so that we can take a look.  One buddy of mine has said that it was the most amazing play that he has ever seen.  There's probably some truth to that.  Congrats to the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 27, 2007, 05:18:41 PM
My early (real early; like August) line was Tigers by 17.
4 works; boy does 4 work.
                                                                       ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 27, 2007, 05:33:51 PM
"Good things just happen if you hang-around."
They did just hang-around, and hung-around, and hung-around, and hung-around even more.

                                                                       8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2007, 06:09:28 PM
Props to the TU defense which was on the spot all day and played their guts out.  I'm here in the hotel room in Jackson and just sent Pat a quick hit story.  Details to follow.

Rhodes lost to Centre 27-0 today so Trinity needs to win out to go back to the playoffs. 

The last play was recorded.  The local ESPN producer wanted to get his hands on it - it's worthy of national TV.  If not, it'll be either linked from the Trinity site and/or Youtubed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 27, 2007, 06:55:09 PM
It was good to meet you today, Ron.  Trinity DID play their guts out as did the Majors!  I do hope that last play makes it to ESPN; it even beats the Cal-Stanford version!

These seemed to be two pretty equal teams, and both played with lots of heart.  I doubt either team will be very excited about how they played - lots of turnovers, lapses on defense - but it was a well-fought game.  It was one of those where somebody had to win and somebody had to lose, and it came down to the last two ticks of the clock.  Millsaps had their chance to win and didn't pull it off.

Now I'm going to find some Maalox.  If I were going to become a drinking man, today would be the day!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: trinityfan on October 27, 2007, 07:44:11 PM
It really is too bad Millsaps didn't win that MC game.  It sure would be nice -- no matter if TU goes to the playoffs or not -- if the SCAC could get two representatives into the playoffs.  Losing the way they did and having only one loss, no doubt they get in.  Two losses?? I doubt it. 

Anyway, amazing win today!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 27, 2007, 07:51:22 PM
well sounds like I missed one heck of a ballgame. can't wait to see highlights.

as for Rhodes, I don't want to say i saw it coming, but this game scared me a lot (and I did say that earlier in the week). I would never pick against my own team in a toss up game, but this was the week I was really tempted to do so.

It's frustrating that after Rhodes gets a little publicity and a little respect that they have to go and lay a goose egg. I haven't seen stats yet, but I'm sure it'll be purely lack of offense and a few turnovers. Defense can't score points all the time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 27, 2007, 07:57:30 PM
found out what it was for Rhodes, 1 big play (90 yd TD pass) and two interceptions that gave Centre the ball inside the 30 both times which both led to scores.

you have to take care of the ball... simple as that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2007, 09:49:47 PM
The last play was an amazing play, I heard that there were 14 laterals involved and even if you practice something like that, it is hard to pull off.  While that last play will be remembered, it is what came before that decided the game.

On the drive that got Trinity within 2 points, they converted a 4th and 10 and a 4th and 6.  Also, it seemed like all day Millsaps had trouble getting their typical pressure on the quarterback so you have to give credit to the o-line for the work they did all day.  All in all, while it certainly was a game that Millsaps could have won, Trinity did enough all day to leave themselves in position for the win.  Ultimately, and I haven't seen the stats so I'm going on memory, I think it was the inability of Millsaps to score consistently in the red zone and the Trinity ability to stop Millsaps in the red zone that decided the game.  Trinity is now 1st in the league in red zone defense and Millsaps is 8th in the SCAC in red zone offense, so this has been the norm all year.

There is one thing at the end of the game that did surprise me and it's easy to say I would do it different in hindsight.  Millsaps got the ball on the Trinity onside kick, there was about 2:07 on the clock, and Trinity was out of timeouts.  Millsaps put Burt Pereira in at quarterback and I thought they were going to go to an all out pass protection and just let Burt stay in the pocket and scramble to run time off the clock.  Instead they ran 4 fairly conventional running plays which allowed Trinity to get the ball back with 2 seconds on the clock.  I have to say that I had a really bad feeling when Trinity got their hands on the ball one last time, and give them credit for taking advantage of the opportunity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2007, 10:44:50 PM
Sorry I didn't meet up with you today, Frank - there was just no room on the top row of the home side so I went and sat at the 45 in the mixed section on the visitor side.  Good view from over there. 

Checked the official stats - you're right, it was Periera and not Joseph and I'll send a note to Pat to change that in the story linked from the home page.   You hate to second guess but why Burt wasn't just told to run backwards like h*ll for eight seconds at the end is a mystery.

Red zone - you nailed it.  Millsaps 3-of-7 vs. Trinity 3-of-4.  An interception in the end zone, an interception at the four, and that odd one into a pack at the ten.  And the kicker woes that bedeveled the Majors earlier this year returned (1-of-3 with the two misses being 40 yards or less). 

I was very impressed by Denarold Anders.  He was only officially credited with 4 QBH but surely had at least a couple of more.  He singlehandedly disrupted several Trinity drives.  They don't allow a lot of sacks because Barmore is mobile (as you saw). 

Total yards allowed by the #6 defense in the nation:  476.  Total yards allowed by the #20 defense:  316.  Was very surprised at the early success Trinity had running the ball (and happy for Chris Baer [20-126] who has fought injuries his entire career). 

Coach Mohr said it best after the game:  you could run that play for five or 50 years and not score again.  A tough loss for a team that still has a very, very bright future.  And I can't help but wish that Millsaps had but one loss, because with today's showing as the only loss they'd certainly get a bid. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 27, 2007, 10:59:23 PM
Hey, all you SCAC fans ... here's a YouTube link to the "Miracle in Mississippi"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gHbzQoXuxdU

Count 'em ... 14 laterals in 62 seconds (0:02 on the clock and sixty after the clock expired!
The video quality is not the best, but ... well, you'll get the idea!!

Congratulations to our Trinity Tigers ... and to Millsaps ... you guys played a heckuva game!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2007, 11:17:37 PM
History Major will remember the night that Coach Mike Zuffuto was the color man on the Plano East John Tyler 1994 playoff game.  This commentary reminds me of that video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lnc_W5SmDVA).

Thanks for the video!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on October 27, 2007, 11:24:33 PM
Tiger Dad... i didn't have a dog in the fight...  i was mildly pulling for yall cause of the MC game (i didn't like millsaps losing that way....but hay... i live in alabama and don't care much for the millsaps coach....  common malady in this state)... but what can anyone say... i watched it on U-Tube.... it needs to b on ESPN

just AWESOME... thanks for the post

way to go TRINITY
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 27, 2007, 11:35:29 PM
Doesn't seem like the Millsaps players adhered to the first commandment of football: "PLAY UNTIL THE WHISTLE BLOWS." Is it my imagination or did they quit on that play? Nobody seemed all that interested in going after Curry once he got the ball for the last time. What was that all about?

Not that that wasn't one of the sickest things I've ever seen. TU looked like the freaking Harlem Globetrotters on that play. I got chills watching it (seriously). But I just wonder why the Majors defenders seemed to stop dead on the 12th lateral.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2007, 11:38:01 PM
That last lateral skipped off the ground, and it's possible some of the MC players thought play was dead at that point. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 27, 2007, 11:47:37 PM
ESPN has it and word is, it may run tonight.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2007, 11:48:48 PM
Ron--I think you are correct that some players thought the play was dead.  Also, when I looked at my photos on the play I thought that some of the players had stopped and I then realized that they were hanging back some to try to cover the potential receivers of the laterals.  As for your point about Burt just running around for the last 8 seconds on 4th down, I thought about that also or simply run for 4 seconds and then throw the ball as high and far as you can out of bounds.  The clock would run until the ball hit the ground and at worst the ball comes back to the line of scrimmage.  But then again, who thought Trinity would come up with a touchdown play in 2 seconds.

I'm also sorry I didn't get to meet you.  I get so busy shooting photos at the games that I don't find any time to speak to anyone.  Between 10 this morning and the end of the game, I shot 1,700 photos of the Hall of Fame banquet, the cheerleaders, the signs around the field, the Homecoming Court, the fans, and of course the game.  Add that with about 400 photos from volleyball last night and an anticipated 800 or so from tomorrow's soccer games, and it looks like another week of burning up vacation time.  I'm not sure if my back, my eyes, or my mouse clicking finger will give out first, or maybe they'll just all go at once. :) :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on October 28, 2007, 12:21:04 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2007, 11:17:37 PMHistory Major will remember the night that Coach Mike Zuffuto was the color man on the Plano East John Tyler 1994 playoff game.  This commentary reminds me of that

It's funny. I was thinking the same thing. I didn't hear anyone say "Good gosh almighty" in there, though.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 28, 2007, 12:30:50 AM
Espn showed it as a bonus play of the day
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2007, 12:32:49 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on October 28, 2007, 12:30:50 AM
Espn showed it as a bonus play of the day

and called Trinity "Mike Dubose' team."   ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on October 28, 2007, 12:40:41 AM
I guess I'm stunned that Millspas didn't take the delay and just do something that would have eaten seven seconds, like punt it as high in the air as they could. Wow. That was a once-in-a-lifetime play!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2007, 12:44:44 AM
My last post on this:    here's the high-quality video courtesy of ESPN.com:

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220&categoryId=2564308&n8pe6c=2

Good night, all!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 28, 2007, 12:46:52 AM
Oh, yeah, ESPN loves it.  I've seen it four times by 11:50 pm!

Congratulations, Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 28, 2007, 01:30:36 AM
Holy Lateral Batman.  Just a sad way to lose a game for Milsaps  Never give up, never give up, never give up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on October 28, 2007, 01:36:52 AM
Man, oh man.  Freeze the video at 1:21/1:22.  I don't think there is any doubt that Millsaps thought the play was over. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 28, 2007, 01:42:39 AM
Maybe a first, but Trinity is one of the four "options" to vote on with ESPN's game changing game of the week (or something like that).  Vote early, vote often.  They'll announce the winner at next thur's televised game.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 28, 2007, 04:30:59 AM
I've now watched that play a few times, and there is no doubt in my mind that it is the best play ever captured on video in all of NCAA. forget Cal/Stanford, forget doug flutie, Trinity and Millsaps should be the Play of the Century or anything. That's ridiculous.

I will vote for them for play of the week. there's no contest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 28, 2007, 05:48:45 AM
That's quite likely the most ridiculous thing I've seen in quite some time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on October 28, 2007, 08:28:18 AM
Quote from: KentATM on October 25, 2007, 09:48:17 PM
hmm.  I think I'll take my chances on the diplomacy and rock it John Bolton style and say AC is going to sock DePauw in the mouth.

Of course, thats just a friendly love tap compared to what we are gonna bring for Trinity.

I am pleased to say that KentATM is partially correct that the DePauw/AC game was sock in the mouth football. Profs to AC for bringinging a classy fan base and a disciplined team. In a game like this, often tempers can flare, but both teams kept smashing away while exhibiting sportsmanship. I understand the desire for the spread game, but I love this kind of pad cracking football. The turf was just damp enough to allow maximum traction and the hits just kept coming. Anyone who saw this game compared to the two losses can see that having a healthy squad makes DePauw a much more difficult opponent.

Congrats to Trinity for never quitting. What an exciting finish.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 28, 2007, 09:16:19 AM

There can never be enough said about that play.  I have two little girls, and between their mother and them, they roll their eyes every time I mention Trinity football.  No more.  Even they wouldn't stop talking about it hours later unprovoked.  That said...

Millsaps seemed to be the superior squad and Trinity managed to keep pace.  There were many moments in which the Tigers looked like they were going to fall out of it,  but they got some huge, huge interceptions and hung tough on third down with their backs to the wall several times.  The Trinity defensive effort was unbelievable.

In other areas, Trinity really didn't play very well.  Barmore was too fired up to start the game and rifled the ball where he shouldn't have.  The Tigers had big problems fielding punts.  They couldn't cover their own kickoffs for anything.  I really thought they could have run more with two backs.  Millsaps was getting a whole lot of pressure with three lineman and sitting back playing pass all the way.   Barmore was clearly hurt in his leg, but tucked it constantly (that kid has guts, and he kept calling me sir after the game when my girls got his autograph). 

It was ugly with penalties and turnovers, but there were a couple of plays that signal great football game.  On a 2nd and 10 in the 2nd quarter, Joseph threw a laser of a curl route to an open receiver.  At the last possible moment, the Trinity defender nailed the receiver and forced him to drop the ball.  Two good teams going at it, everyone does what they're supposed to do, and one kid makes the play.  Millsaps receivers were clearly intimidated by half time.  The other was in the 3rd quarter.  On third and 23 Barmore rifled a beautiful ball into the seam to an open Chris Coleman with enough for the first down and a lot more.  At the last second, the free safety got his hand in there and knocked it away.  I love seeing great plays by the defense. 

All that said, it was just one of those days in which you were lucky to be a part of it.  And my girls learned a life lesson yesterday-

Never quit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: B/L Tiger on October 28, 2007, 09:29:41 AM
I haven't posted here in a while, and I will not proceed with posting pro Trinity comments after such a win so as to seem like a fair weather poster/fan; but I had to pass along what a friend of mine tonight, after watching numerous Sportscenter clips, coined to be what I feel should be the name of today's final  play in Jackson; not the Miracle in Mississippi (or Mississippi Miracle), but rather the Major Travesty.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on October 28, 2007, 09:40:29 AM
It's a 5-6 hour drive to Jackson.  In retrospect, I should have made it, but hindsight - as Coach Dubose knows - is 20/20.  You know it's a special moment in Trinity/SCAC/D-III football history when this TU/UGA alum is getting a dozen "holy s---" and "way to go Trinity" text messages and voicemails from the inebriated red-clad masses in Jacksonville and St. Simons last night.  I'll have half the lawyers in Atlanta voting on ESPN by Monday afternoon.

The Georgia folks, by the way, LOVE the notion of Mike Dubose losing a football game.  Doesn't seem to matter what level the game is on.

I, for one, am happy to see Millsaps playing so well this season (and ranked in the top 25 no less).  It is always a red-letter game for the Tigers, and I think the Majors' success the last two seasons made this one a whole lot sweeter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 28, 2007, 10:36:19 AM
http://www.lcfootball.com/

similar play to trinity's that won an ESPY
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 28, 2007, 12:28:32 PM
I went to try and "vote" on ESPN, but can't figure out where.  Anyone got the link?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 28, 2007, 12:49:54 PM
Tex

Go to the front page , go to the col fb page, in the right corner are videos, Click all videos ad then watch the video, then it lets you vote.

It is winning by 100 votes
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 28, 2007, 02:09:29 PM
That's the thing about the play. It can be written up as a hook and ladder but then all bets are off. Now I suspect teams will have to spend a few minutes to defend that play!!!!!! ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 28, 2007, 02:39:56 PM
Read the quotes.  Milsaps coach talks about how a few of his players just "gave up" on the last play.  Trinity coach talks about how they drew up the idea of the play with 8 seconds to go.  "keep white shirts behind the ball at all times".   


This stuff gets a lot of mileage in all sorts of ways.  It draws the eyes of potential recruits from all over.  Maybe that one play doesn't make them want to go to Trinity but it might cause a few of the more interested ones to log into the school's website and start to investigate.  That's huge stuff potentially. 


My son and I watched it about 10 times last night when we got home from the Aggie game.  He's an O-lineman and Trinity has been his top D3 choice for a while now.  He's still holding out for some potential athletic money in the higher divisions, but you never know what's going to happen.  He's about finished up his application to Trinity so that shows me he's pretty interested.  I put his highlights from last season up on Youtube and believe it or not, he's gotten some college coaches call him after looking at them.  interesting mix of schools from d-2 to Ivy League.  Youtube rocks. 

One of his teammates is going the binding decision route with Trinity.  D-Lineman.  Good size, great strength (350+ bench, 550+ squat) and quickness (4.9 40). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on October 28, 2007, 03:12:47 PM
QuoteAC is going to sock DePauw in the mouth.

How'd that work out for ya?  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2007, 03:20:39 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 28, 2007, 02:39:56 PM
Read the quotes.  Milsaps coach talks about how a few of his players just "gave up" on the last play.  Trinity coach talks about how they drew up the idea of the play with 8 seconds to go.  "keep white shirts behind the ball at all times".   


This stuff gets a lot of mileage in all sorts of ways.  It draws the eyes of potential recruits from all over.  Maybe that one play doesn't make them want to go to Trinity but it might cause a few of the more interested ones to log into the school's website and start to investigate.  That's huge stuff potentially. 


My son and I watched it about 10 times last night when we got home from the Aggie game.  He's an O-lineman and Trinity has been his top D3 choice for a while now.  He's still holding out for some potential athletic money in the higher divisions, but you never know what's going to happen.  He's about finished up his application to Trinity so that shows me he's pretty interested.  I put his highlights from last season up on Youtube and believe it or not, he's gotten some college coaches call him after looking at them.  interesting mix of schools from d-2 to Ivy League.  Youtube rocks. 

One of his teammates is going the binding decision route with Trinity.  D-Lineman.  Good size, great strength (350+ bench, 550+ squat) and quickness (4.9 40). 
Unsolicited opinion...

Go for the grades, if your son can get a decent financial package from a D3 or an Ivy

D-1 football is semi-pro...the coach owns your body!  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 28, 2007, 03:24:43 PM
Agreed, the allure of DIII is that you devote about as much time to the sport as he has in a big 5A program here in TX.  He's got a friend that went D-2 this season and his time is spoken for pretty much from breakfast till bed.

The scholarship of Mom and Dad needs to be the smallest of the three (academic, athletic, mom/dad). 

Trinity is probably more attractive to him versus Ivy because of distance from home.  Ivy doesn't profess to offer any academic money, only need-based.  I make a bit too much to get him a lot of need-based money.  (I count my blessings daily).  I just hope the kid continues to play when he gets to college.  Selfish reason is that I love the game and love to watch him play.  But, organized college sports tend to help "keep an eye" on your kid while he's away from home.  I know these guys can still step in it if they're so inclined, but having a coaching staff being around your kid for several hours a day is nothing but a good thing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on October 28, 2007, 03:26:15 PM
What are your thoughts on the strength of the SCAC----top to bottom? How does the conference stack up with others around the country? Lots of crazy scores, i.e. Rhodes beating Trinity by 2 TD's....Centre shutting out Rhodes yesterday...seems to be alot of balance...not really any weak sisters...perspective anyone???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 28, 2007, 03:32:55 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on October 28, 2007, 03:26:15 PM
What are your thoughts on the strength of the SCAC----top to bottom? How does the conference stack up with others around the country? Lots of crazy scores, i.e. Rhodes beating Trinity by 2 TD's....Centre shutting out Rhodes yesterday...seems to be alot of balance...not really any weak sisters...perspective anyone???


From my limited perspective, just commenting on the game of football in general, even the best teams in a conference have bad days.  The "best" teams in a conference are generally the ones that don't have too many bad days in a season. 

Just looking at box scores, it appears Milsaps and Trinity seem to be the better two teams.  Each that has had a bad day or two.  One thing for sure, a little parity makes for much more interesting league. 

One thing that has me interested in the SCAC is the fact that all of the schools seem to have the same focus on academics.  It's interesting to watch the games when you know all the kids on the field are being challenged in the classroom daily. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2007, 04:39:19 PM
Here is the link (https://r.espn.go.com/espn/contests/07GameChangingPerformance/index?cmp=ncaafb07contestcars) for anyone who still has not voted on the ESPN "Game Changing Play" of the week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 28, 2007, 04:50:14 PM
Those announcers are great.  They really add to what is a great clip.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 28, 2007, 04:53:21 PM
QBScout, the SCAC is a great conference top to bottom. I think what Tex said about having "bad days" is true, the better teams have less bad days, the middle teams go back and forth (i.e. Rhodes beating Trinity, then getting shut out at Centre) We didn't play our best ball yesterday, and everybody in the D3 world knows it.

The SCAC is special because no game is a gimme, you have to go out and play every day, every down, every second, as I've seen on ESPN now about 15,000 times. Still amazed by that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2007, 04:57:07 PM
And adding to what Hunter just said are the joys of travel.  The SCAC requires more travel than any other D3 conference with teams spanning eight states and three time zones (Danville is EST, Colorado Springs MST).  Home field advantage is huge.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 28, 2007, 05:16:24 PM
Man I hated traveling in our Conference. Not only do you face 7 or 8 hour bus rides sometimes, or hours waiting in an airport since the schools can't afford personal flights, but something else that I think is overlooked. I may be going off the radar here (especially given this weeks events) but the visitor locker rooms at some of the schools are pitiful.

Millsaps: walking to the field through the Majors fans and down the bleachers.
Trinity: in the blazing heat of Texas, in a building that's too small and having to walk through the bushes to get to the field.
Depauw: The locker room is smaller than my dorm room, and located right next to the concessions, so people are everywhere.
Sewanee: good locker room, but about a half mile walk away from the field, and up 4 flights of stairs. I kept singing "over the river and through the woods" as I walked to the field.
Centre: Getting dressed across the street from the field (a street that is in use during games) in a building that also houses a pool i believe. At least it always smelled like a pool.
Colorado College: Small rooms with slick tile floors. We held pre game meetings and got dresses in classrooms with desks.

These are the only ones I went to in the conference, and they aren't the best situation for teams coming to visit. It gives a HUGE advantage to the home team IMO.

I'm sure Rhodes wasn't much better to some of the guys that came there, but I have no stance on it obviously.

Just one of my intangibles that probably only a kicker would notice.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on October 28, 2007, 06:09:43 PM
QuoteThe SCAC is special because no game is a gimme

QuoteAnd adding to what Hunter just said are the joys of travel.  The SCAC requires more travel than any other D3 conference with teams spanning eight states and three time zones (Danville is EST, Colorado Springs MST).  Home field advantage is huge.

agreed---the combination of good competition along with the challenges of travel make the league a real test...



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 28, 2007, 08:46:47 PM
Maybe the travel prepares you for the playoffs a little?

Interesting perspective on the visiting lockerooms.  Funny.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 28, 2007, 09:11:06 PM
hmm, perhaps I should have said AC will give DePauw a few sharp jabs.   :P  I didn't get to listen to it though b/c I was on my way to College Station to be let down by the Coach Fran master plan yet again.

ahh well.  Trinity is going to come back down to earth here in two weeks! 

also, being from Tyler, I always love to relive that JT game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 28, 2007, 09:16:15 PM
Quote from: AF4 on October 20, 2007, 07:45:26 PM

...yall r bringing a jv (?) team down to montgomery on sunday, oct 28 to play our jv...

Hey AF4, it looks like BSC has a JV team after all.  My son finally told me so and I see the score is already on the Huntingdon website.  Would have loved to come, but I had to coach a 7-year-old fall baseball game.  Such is life!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 28, 2007, 09:18:02 PM
Okay y'all, conspiracy theory time now...

Phil Bennett got fired today at SMU.  To quote a newstory, "(AD) Orsini has a pattern of hiring high-profile coaches who have suffered some level of a fall from grace. He hired former Notre Dame coach George O'Leary to lead the football program at Central Florida, and then made a splash by hiring former North Carolina coach Matt Doherty to lead SMU's men's basketball program"

So, who do you think they'll hire?  Dubose anyone?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 28, 2007, 11:08:55 PM
Quote from: HunterT on October 28, 2007, 05:16:24 PM
...but the visitor locker rooms at some of the schools are pitiful...

I hope the same will not be said for the new visitor locker room BSC is building at their new on-campus stadium.  The floor plan just shows a big, empty room so I don't know in what manner it will be furnished.

As for the teams that visited BSC this season, my sons tell me the locker rooms at Regions Park are very nice, except that the visiting team has to enter the field through the third-base dugout!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 29, 2007, 12:51:01 AM
Bonzo,,, maybe I'm still too wired after those ten phone calls from ESPN,,,  but how the heck to you get to vote on that Pontiac page?????? 

Maybe I'm doing something wrong... how about a Voting Guide for Dummies (like me)!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2007, 01:03:57 AM
I dunno.  I got to vote one time but attempts from other machines/browsers have only let me see the plays, not vote on them. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on October 29, 2007, 01:23:26 AM
Oldmoose

it was not as close as the score might indicate  ;D... yall blew us out

the qb ..#10 was awesome... he played most the game... big kid... great arm

yalls line and our line hit a stale mate on both sides.... but yall's wideouts and our Db's didn't match well.... DUH

still it was fun... the JV games r mo prctice like than anything, as usual we played everyone early and often

i asked a bunch of the BSC folks if they new Oldmoose.... every one of them just  staired ...  so i started to holler 'OLDMOOSE r u hear'... my wife finally shut me up

we had fun as usual... even in a horrible losing cause

if it makes yall season better... yall beat our JV worse than Troy did... but the 4 fumbles and 2 interceptions might have helped yall a little... at least the our varsity beat LaGrange 43-0 last night

if yall schedule our varsity or if u r heading toward LA...we will feed u some pre game deep fried turkey (the turkeys low cholesterol counteracts the frying process with respect to triglyceride associated plaque formation- now my wife and middle daughter r clinical dieticians and claim i'm wrong...but that is what i choose to believe)

b good and keep the faith

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on October 29, 2007, 01:41:09 AM
Pat Coleman or anyone in the know,

I hate "what if" questions myself, so I'm sorry for asking you one...but I have to ask it if no one else is.  Say things had gone differently on that Thursday night in Clinton (we won't go into what happened again).  We beat CC and BSC to finish 9-1 with our lone loss coming on the last second freak play against a ranked Trinity team.  What would our chances of an at-large bid have been??  I'm really hoping that you will tell me that they slim to none but I suspect otherwise. 

I'm sorry for beating a dead horse and I am apologize to anyone who was sick of hearing about the MC-Millsaps game after the first 100 posts. 

Thanks in advance.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 29, 2007, 07:59:53 AM
I figured that after the talk about "the play" died down, we'd get back to the MC loss, and it's a valid topic to bring back up so I'm not being critical of anyone who wants to discuss the subject.  This is probably my most hectic day of the month at work with end-of-month closeout, so I'm going to post a link to my blog (like I have time to do a couple of blogs) since my entry today gives my viewpoint on the ending of both the Trinity game and the MC game and I just don't have time to write it all again on the D3 board:

http://wwin39216.blogspot.com/2007/10/strangest-ending-ive-ever-seen.html#links
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2007, 08:14:01 AM
Quote from: MajorAlum80 on October 29, 2007, 01:41:09 AM
Pat Coleman or anyone in the know,

I hate "what if" questions myself, so I'm sorry for asking you one...but I have to ask it if no one else is.  Say things had gone differently on that Thursday night in Clinton (we won't go into what happened again).  We beat CC and BSC to finish 9-1 with our lone loss coming on the last second freak play against a ranked Trinity team.  What would our chances of an at-large bid have been??  I'm really hoping that you will tell me that they slim to none but I suspect otherwise. 

I'm sorry for beating a dead horse and I am apologize to anyone who was sick of hearing about the MC-Millsaps game after the first 100 posts. 

Thanks in advance.

Pretty much the same thing as I felt in September. Or August. The game against Mississippi College determined whether Millsaps could get an at-large bid. Might be interesting to go back and re-read the spin posts from the week following the opening game and see if everyone feels the same now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 29, 2007, 08:23:18 AM
The original video was uploaded to YouTube and linked here on Saturday evening at 9:00pm.  The view counter was at 200 around midnight.  At 7:00am on Sunday morning, the counter was 11,000.  At 9:15am, it was 23,000.  At 2:30pm, it was 320,000!  At 8:00pm, after passing 390,000 the folks at YouTube disabled my account and it was gone.

Uploaded again this morning to a new YouTube account here:
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fnkjyQhaZBY

Suddenly, everyone knows about Division III football ... let's keep this ball in the air!!  It's our "62 seconds of fame".

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 29, 2007, 09:48:46 AM
Apparently Coach Mohr is all over national radio today.  Good stuff. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 29, 2007, 10:00:26 AM
9-1's typically good enough, MajorAlum80.  Very rare that it isn't good enough.

Along the lines with that Pat said, I won't speak for everybody, but if I were a Major fan, I wouldn't be very happy about such things as "getting younger players experience" and "preparing to win the automatic bid" after this weekend. 

What may come as worse news, if Millsaps had earned the Pool C, it's likely they wouldn't have gone to Mary Hardin-Baylor anyway.  Trinity would have taken to two hour bus ride while Millsaps went somewhere else.

EDIT: I do think this fits in well with our conversation about the strength of this conference from top to bottom.  We never get two teams in because we can't ever get another team to the end with 1 loss.  Although the problem has been playing teams out of conference.  Such as this year, when that loss came Mississippi College.  Like it did last year when Trinity lost to TLU out of conference.  And it '05 when DePauw lost to Wesley and then Wabash and lost the AQ to Trinity on the tiebreak.  And in '04 when DPU lost to UW-Stout out of conference and then lost to Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 29, 2007, 10:00:48 AM
Just finished listening to Coach Mohr on Dan Patrick's ESPN Radio show.  He did a great job ... AWESOME.

GO TIGERS ... WIN OUT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 29, 2007, 10:19:18 AM
Is it good stuff? I understand TU's joy of pulling an important victory out of dire circumstances. I do think that TU players and staff are to be admired for not giving up until the final horn...and beyond. But is this good for the TU or Millsaps programs or the SCAC? This conference needs better competition across the board. To have the potential  AQ with a loss to Rhodes, that has again shown it has a long way to go to improve and DePauw still trying to find itself, will TU  go very deep in the playoffs? They still have to win 2 conference games and they should. Obviously this is a tough loss for Millsaps and every game counts in the season. It is a demanding effort to build a program and have it mature over time. The Majors will pull together to bounce back but it is a tough week in Jackson and for us who care about those players. Personally I know there are life lessons here for these men and it's too bad life lesson have to hurt so deep. I am not sure it is good stuff for Millsaps or the SCAC maybe for TU. I watched it live and now on video and I have the same feeling...please excuse me I am going to throw up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: redman04 on October 29, 2007, 11:28:46 AM
I'm sure you have been talking about this for pages, But just saw this on espn's website and I thought I would share! 



http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3083220&categoryId=2378529
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 29, 2007, 11:50:56 AM
Just so you all know, Coach Mohr was on ESPN2's First Take just a short time ago. The show airs live from 10 AM - 12 PM EST. If you missed it, it reairs from 12-2 PM. You will see Coach Mohr in the 1-1:30 PM time-frame. However, they are showing and talking about the play the entire show... even asked Jim Fassel his thoughts on it (remember, he was the Offensive Coordinator for Stanford in the Cal-Stanford game that had "The Play").
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 29, 2007, 01:29:23 PM
Quote from: LA Major on October 29, 2007, 10:19:18 AM
Is it good stuff? I understand TU's joy of pulling an important victory out of dire circumstances. I do think that TU players and staff are to be admired for not giving up until the final horn...and beyond. But is this good for the TU or Millsaps programs or the SCAC? This conference needs better competition across the board. To have the potential  AQ with a loss to Rhodes, that has again shown it has a long way to go to improve and DePauw still trying to find itself, will TU  go very deep in the playoffs? They still have to win 2 conference games and they should. Obviously this is a tough loss for Millsaps and every game counts in the season. It is a demanding effort to build a program and have it mature over time. The Majors will pull together to bounce back but it is a tough week in Jackson and for us who care about those players. Personally I know there are life lessons here for these men and it's too bad life lesson have to hurt so deep. I am not sure it is good stuff for Millsaps or the SCAC maybe for TU. I watched it live and now on video and I have the same feeling...please excuse me I am going to throw up.

The publicity its giving the two teams and by extension the conference is a great thing.  People will go online to look the two schools up and many will end up at the SCACs main page and will see all the other schools and perhaps each will get a couple students they other wise would not have. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on October 29, 2007, 04:49:12 PM
TU2698:

Your last sentence absolutely says it all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 29, 2007, 04:52:03 PM

This is without a doubt a great thing!

It was a total brawl of a game.  So physical and tightly contested full of great efforts.  The winning play wasn't luck.  It was a great play by guys who refused to quit.  We should be so fortunate to see a game of this magnitude end this way. 

What is going to be tough is playing next week.  It's always tough to play the week following a huge game, but how does a team come down or back up after something like that happens?  I said last week that both teams would be flat, but obviously I never could have foreseen this. 

The SCAC is still up for grabs in my opinion.  If anyone has a shot to beat either team, this weekend is it.   Trinity at least doesn't have to travel, but their last conference home loss was to Centre in week 10, and the trip to Sherman isn't going to be any stroll through the orchard.  Get it?  Apple Field?  Oh I'm a riot. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 29, 2007, 05:02:52 PM

Frank, maybe you could offer some insight here.

Official numbers show that 4032 people were in attendance in Jackson.  Last year's number was around 3700, and there's no way there were as many people this year as were there last year. 

Anyone know anything about that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 29, 2007, 05:12:51 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on October 29, 2007, 05:02:52 PM

Frank, maybe you could offer some insight here.

Official numbers show that 4032 people were in attendance in Jackson.  Last year's number was around 3700, and there's no way there were as many people this year as were there last year. 

Anyone know anything about that?

Isn't there a different SID from this time last year?  That would be a good place to start.

4000 to somebody may not look like 4000 to somebody else.  *shrug*  That'd be my guess.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on October 29, 2007, 05:34:02 PM
Its not a "great" thing.  People like the freak show play....they don't care about the teams.  Sportscenter didn't even bother to learn how to pronounce Millsaps ("Millsap") and said that Mike DuBose coached for Trinity.  People outside of those who keep up with D3 aren't saying "Did you see the laterals in the Trinity-Millsaps game?"  They are saying "Did you see that crazy lateral play on Sportscenter?"  No one has even bothered to say that the play determined the conference championship.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 29, 2007, 06:00:48 PM
Quote from: MajorAlum80 on October 29, 2007, 05:34:02 PM
Its not a "great" thing.  People like the freak show play....they don't care about the teams.  Sportscenter didn't even bother to learn how to pronounce Millsaps ("Millsap") and said that Mike DuBose coached for Trinity.  People outside of those who keep up with D3 aren't saying "Did you see the laterals in the Trinity-Millsaps game?"  They are saying "Did you see that crazy lateral play on Sportscenter?"  No one has even bothered to say that the play determined the conference championship.

Then what is it?  Nothing?  A worthless waste of our collective time?

If that's the case, then why even try to promote Division III football?  Why should anybody other than players, students, parents, and alums care about what we're all doing here?  Why run the selection show on ESPNEWS?  Why put the championship on TV?

I'm sorry, but getting D3 out there whenever it's possible seems to be a good thing to me.  Maybe some people still think it's a bit of a novelty with that one Ohio team who wins all the time, and that's too bad.  But, I sure hear a lot more about it than I did five years ago.   

I say that, and all of the other attention D3 gets, is certainly positive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on October 29, 2007, 06:28:56 PM

Wes,

I think you misunderstood what I said.  Of course, I think any attention D3 gets is good and I wasn't saying that this was a bad thing for D3.   I was saying that I don't think the play will bring much national attention to D3.  The national attention is going to the strangeness of the play....not the teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2007, 06:42:22 PM
Given that the last time Trinity got "national attention" for D3 was for having a QB suspended the week before the Stagg Bowl, I'll take this.  Every story I've read or seen has stated it was a D3 match up. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on October 29, 2007, 06:55:21 PM
QuoteThe national attention is going to the strangeness of the play....not the teams. 

...and that's far better than no attention at all.  The enormous visibility this has received is very positive. sure, it is the "strangeness" of the play----but all of the attention is quite good in my opinion...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on October 29, 2007, 06:59:53 PM
...and it was just the final story on ABC World News Tonight... :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2007, 07:14:48 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on October 29, 2007, 06:59:53 PM
...and it was just the final story on ABC World News Tonight... :o

I just got an email from my brother saying that NBC also closed with it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 29, 2007, 08:39:04 PM
Quote from: MajorAlum80 on October 29, 2007, 05:34:02 PM
Its not a "great" thing.  People like the freak show play....they don't care about the teams.  Sportscenter didn't even bother to learn how to pronounce Millsaps ("Millsap") and said that Mike DuBose coached for Trinity.  People outside of those who keep up with D3 aren't saying "Did you see the laterals in the Trinity-Millsaps game?"  They are saying "Did you see that crazy lateral play on Sportscenter?"  No one has even bothered to say that the play determined the conference championship.

I completely disagree.  First off, Sportscenter initially got some things wrong however all day today ESPN has not.  I have heard both schools get mentioned many many times all day today (and yesterday)

Trinitys coach was even on First Take in an interview (that was replayed a few times this morning).  Skip Bayliss who I normally can't stand DID know this game was important in the SCAC race and DID start throwing off some facts about the school and then Pat McEnroe also gave Trinity credit for being a tennis power at one time.

It is good pub for both schools involved as more people have now heard their names and at least a few are likely to look them up and discover a bit about them and the conference. 

Oh, and that play DID NOT determine the SCAC championship b.c there are still a few games to play.  Won't you feel silly when AC derails Trinity and you realize that you guys have won the conference? (if you win out of course)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 29, 2007, 09:20:49 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 29, 2007, 08:39:04 PM
Oh, and that play DID NOT determine the SCAC championship b.c there are still a few games to play.  Won't you feel silly when AC derails Trinity and you realize that you guys have won the conference? (if you win out of course)

I don't know, hoss. 

If you can't get to 200 yards against the DePauw defense, I'm not sure how you're going to do it against the Black Flag. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 29, 2007, 10:41:14 PM
All publicity is good, except an obituary notice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 29, 2007, 10:52:59 PM
its simple Wes, we were holding back on the play book to surprise Trinity.  ;)

actually, I have yet to talk to anyone that saw or listened to the game here so I don't know what went wrong.  Seeing that we used 3 QBs and the starter Bell only had a few carries I wonder if he got hurt or if Coach Gage was just rotating QBs (which I actually really don't care for).

Regardless, I said a while back that AC would lose to the loser and beat the winner of the DePauw/Trinity game and I'll stick with that.  (my pickems and sock in the mouth comment notwithstanding) 

Plus, I plan on losing my voice and as a life long Aggie that transfered to AC, I can get it up pretty loud.  That parent that screams at every AC game who sounds like an attacking frog/man beast?  You won't even hear him with me yelling. Bye bye Trinity snap count! ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 29, 2007, 11:53:38 PM
New video on YouTube posted by Trinity SID ... I understand the video was provided in very classy act by Millsaps from their end zone film tower.  Somebody (unknown to me) merged it with Jonny Wiener's terrific play-by-play call (and Justin Thompson's OH MY GOSH ... ) so that it's the same play from a different angle.  The end zone cameraman was very skilled and managed some tighter shots and great follow-the-action. 

Here's the YouTube link just posted a couple hours ago:

071027 Trinity University 28 - Millsaps 24 End Zone Angle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z7oF4ZDigjM

I hope someone will read this and give proper credit to camera crew, sound editor, and the fine folks at Millsaps who unselfishly offered the video to Trinity.  My cap is off to you all! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 30, 2007, 12:29:00 AM
Thanks to Millsaps!

The end zone view shows how many close calls that there were.

I counted three touches by linemen who really kept it going.  (Biased plug for the linemen.) There were several tackles in which the Millsaps player took out the Trinity player for a few seconds.

I saw these key features in the play.

1) The rapid change in direction of the flow of play.

2)  Movement to space (that concept that any soccer player has had drilled into his/her head).

3)  Orientation as to blocking only when in front of the defender (no clips or blocks in the back).

4)  Always having a white shirt behind the ball, even if it was "only a lineman".

5)  Rapid re-engagement of a Trinity player once he had "lateraled" the ball or had been tackled.

6)  Keeping away from the defender in the open field is easier than catching the ball carrier.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 30, 2007, 12:30:21 AM
I have to agree that any publicity on a national level is good for both the schools and the conference. That's very hard to get for a D3 school. The Stagg Bowl being the only national coverage that's given regularly doesn't help anybody except those two teams, generally Mount Union and whoever they are playing, generally.

Just for everybody who doesn't know it, this is the second time that the SCAC has been on sportscenter in the last 2 years (if my memory serves me correctly about the time frame). The previous time being the last second shot by Depauw in the SCAC men's basketball championship in Memphis. You can't complain about getting publicity like that. Now, I don't know how many HS players went to Depauw for basketball after that, but it still put the name out there for people to see. (and on a personal note, I was the one working the camera at that game.  ;D)

I saw where sportscenter screwed up the names and said Dubose coached for Trinity. But I also saw where it was the number one play, and the score and a few stats were put up on screen as well. I also read what you guys said about how it was featured on ABC, NBC, First Take, and ESPN News. I've also voted for it for the Game Changing Performance for the week on ESPN.com (against Texas, LSU, and Boston College - Three D1 teams who are all ranked in the Top 25 in the Nation).

There is no denying that this is more publicity than the game would have ever recieved if it was a simple hail mary for the win, or a last second FG. This game would never have received the publicity that it has if it was hard faught game that simply came down to a last second drive, or even OT. Or even 4 OTs!

Even if the publicity is based more on the strangeness of the play than on the quality of the teams, schools, and players, it is still more publicity than D3 receives any other time.

There are plays made every week all over the nation that don't get the publicity that they deserve. One handed catches are made weekly. Last second game winning FGs. QBs throwing for 400+ yards and teams with over 600 yards. Scores in the 60s. Defenses shutting down teams.

It happens week in and week out, and yet nobody says anything. If it takes 15 laterals (or even 2) to get D3 and the SCAC a little more publicity, I'll take it. There is no denying that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 30, 2007, 04:03:46 AM
Quote from: HunterT on October 30, 2007, 12:30:21 AM
(and on a personal note, I was the one working the camera at that game.  ;D)

Funny, I had you pegged as the Rhodes PA guy.  RRRRRaaaaaaaaami Allllllmefftyyyyy FOR TWOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 30, 2007, 07:58:45 AM
After a hectic day at work yesterday (yes, I have a real job other than taking photos at Millsaps), let me weigh in before I start another hectic day:

--It was a game that could have been won by both teams, a comment that I would have also said if it had ended 24-22 in favor of Millsaps.  Given the play that decided the final score, I think we would all agree that there wasn't much difference in the teams this past Saturday.
--I've been impressed by the lack of venting by Millsaps fans--I had feared that some would have used this bullentin board as a forum for second guessing and complaining.  Millsaps followed a route that would win the game 99 out of 100 times--this just happened to be the 100th time.
--For those who would like to second guess and are just showing some restraint, I'd like to point out that this coaching staff has really only had one full recruiting year to build on the less than successful team that they inherited.  Despite that, they are now 11-1 in the SCAC and one game away from clinching a 2nd straight first place finish.  If you want to be critical of the coaching staff, then be fair and include in your post the praise they deserve for this incredible turnaround.

Regarding the publicity about the game, let me put that in a second post--I have to go change a backup drive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 30, 2007, 08:23:06 AM
Regarding the publicity, I'm in the camp of it being something that is positive.  This game will get more press than the championship game later in the year.  Yes, the game has gotten all of the publicity because of the quirky ending and it would have gotten nothing for just being a well played game between two top-25 D3 teams, but it brings name recognition to both teams.

Millsaps officials have said that having the Saints on campus has been a big boost for the school because now when you talk to prospective students they at least have some name recognition about Millsaps.  Now when Millsaps coaches talk to a football recruit, they at least have an opening topic of conversation.  The coaches can expand on that limited knowledge to point out that it was a battle of the top two teams in the conference, it was the first Millsaps loss in conference in two years, etc., etc.

As for the players, you go off to play in the obsurity (sp?) of D3 football and all of a sudden you become part of football history.  That would have been a bad thing if it had been a bonehead play by the Millsaps team, but it was just a case of all the bounces going the right way for one team when both teams were playing their hearts out on a sandlot play.

Speaking of publicity, I am 99.9% sure that Sports Illustrated will have something on the game in this week's issue--after Saturday, we should all know that nothing is 100% certain till it happens.  I think it will be a blurb, maybe in the front section but I'm just guessing there, and it may be regional instead of the entire nation.  In a shameless attempted to get more hits on my blog after a record setting 46 hits yesterday (move over John Grisham and J K Rowling), the following link has the photo that should run with the story.  In SI the photo may be cropped different and it will only be a thumbnail size, but this is my cropping of the photo:

Link:  http://wwin39216.blogspot.com/2007/10/from-millsaps-to-sports-illustrated.html#links
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 30, 2007, 09:24:30 AM
One last post today (maybe) and most of it was written by someone else.  Yesterday I received an email from Scott Baer, the father of Trinity running back Chris Baer and TigerDad on this message board.  I thought he perfectly expressed how we all should view the teams and players in the SCAC--it is fine for them to compete hard and be rivals while on the field but after the final whistle we need to all remember that every team is filled with outstanding young men and women.  I appreciate the kind words from Scott and I'm proud that the Millsaps parents were deserving of his kind words.  Here is Scott's email, posted with his permission:

Dear Frank;

On behalf of the PAWS organization (Trinity Football parents and
friends) and speaking for me personally, I would just like to express my
appreciation for the hospitality and sportsmanship extended to all of us in
Jackson last weekend. At the last minute, I changed my mind about
staying away and made the long trip to Millsaps from Central Texas ... glad
I did, of course.

With every great sports high peak, we understand that someone else is
experiencing heartbreak and a very low valley. As great as we felt
(suddenly) with the outcome of that miraculous play, we can't forget the
Millsaps players, coaches and families who were suddenly disappointed and
worse.

It was a great game (as advertised) and it's always a shame that one
team had to leave the field sadly. We know how you/they must feel and
we've been there, too.

After the game, my son and I were standing near mid-field and one of
the Majors player's father (#48) came over to us and handed Chris a
confetti-popper. He told him, "I was going to fire this one off, but ...
well, you should do it." What a terrific gesture from one father to
another's son ... I was truly moved. I saw him later at the Cabot Lodge and
got to chat for a moment or two ... I told him thank you, but I hope you
will pass this story along to the Millsaps faithful.

Y'all are a class act, all the way. One of the finest atmospheres for
college football I've ever experienced. I only hope that when y'all come
to San Antonio next year, we can be as gracious to the Millsaps Majors
as y'all were to the Trinity Tigers. We will do our best to make that
happen!

Please give our best wishes to the Majors for a strong finish to a fine
season ... those young men fought like champions and should never be
discouraged about their efforts or their heart. They've got last year's
rings to prove it and I daresay they'll have more success in the
future, both on and off the field.

All the best,
Scott Baer
TigerDad and father of Trinity RB Chris Baer #10
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tutiger on October 30, 2007, 09:49:57 AM
I'm suprised no one has taken issue with how Dubose dogged his players for not finishing the play.  The end zone shot to me is testimony to the fact that those guys were hustling.  If you look at the Michigan/Nebraska play, there were guys standing still on the field.  The only time I saw anyone standing still was on the last lateral when the ball hit the field.  I'm sure there was confusion on the possibility of the ball being dead at this point.  If anything, that's a coaching issue to me.  I just can't believe that after such a hard fought game and a heart breaking loss, that guy would dog his team like that to the media.  That's pretty bush league to me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 30, 2007, 10:13:37 AM
tutiger - I thought that same thing when I first heard that he said that about his players, but as a totally impartial judge, I also saw what he was saying. The first time I watched the play I saw (especially on the last toss that hit the ground) more than a few players not giving full effort. Whether they were exhausted from the first 14 laterals or confused from the fact that it hit the ground, we'll never know. But I think Dubose was trying to hammer the fact that you can't quit no matter what is going on. I don't think it was a bad comment on his part.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tigerpop on October 30, 2007, 10:35:01 AM
I want to echo Scott Baer's comments about how gracious many of the Millsap parents were after the game.  I had the pleasure of meeting and speaking with Tyson Roy's dad before and after the game as we discussed, not only football, but what lied ahead for our sons as they near graduation. He is a true gentleman.

There's a bigger picture here that alll the hype will not change.  All of these kids will remember this experience for the rest of their lives, good or bad.  Having to overcome adversity and remain resiliant in life's ebb and flow is a noble venture. Putting the good experience in it's proper perspective may be an even greater challenge.  As bitter a disappointment that this game may be for Millsap, who knows what good will eventually result.  

Another thought... The Millsap parents had a slide show of pictures taken by a parent photographer I believe.  The photography was absloutely excellent.  Millsap parents, is there a way to contact that parent ans get copies of some of the pictures?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2007, 11:26:11 AM
Quote from: Tigerpop on October 30, 2007, 10:35:01 AM
Another thought... The Millsap parents had a slide show of pictures taken by a parent photographer I believe.  The photography was absloutely excellent.  Millsap parents, is there a way to contact that parent ans get copies of some of the pictures?

I believe the person you want to contact is frank_ezelle, who posted about three or four messages before you did.   Click on his name and you'll be able to send a PM.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on October 30, 2007, 12:13:28 PM
Hats off to Trinity. It's hard to be mad at a miracle, but it sure is a disappointment.
If you're referring to the pictures on the slide show in the Cabot Lodge, just send me a message and I will try to get you in touch with who you need to speak to. Those photos weren't taken by Frank.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 30, 2007, 12:14:54 PM
Tigerpop ... Ron is correct.  I've already been in touch with Frank and he will be uploading his photos of this weekend's game to the web (as he does for every Millsaps game) as soon as he can free up some time to do it.  We'll be able to get the photos from his gallery and pass them around at TU.  It's a busy end-of-month week for Frank and he's been swamped with requests from SI, ESPN, and many others.  I told him "we" would wait patiently!

UPDATE

Millsaps fans & parents, my ID of the parent was wrong ... it was Burt Pereira, father of young Burt, #19 WR/QB, who gave my son the confetti-popper.  He met us at mid-field and also at the Cabot Lodge.  Burt (majordog) identified himself in Reply #3979 today at 04:07:56 pm.

Burt ... I will never forget what you did.  I'd like to think I would have done the same, but I couldn't say that I would.  That was one of the greatest gestures of sportsmanship in my memory.  When y'all come to San Antonio next year, we'll get together and I'll see that you get the royal treatment.  Maybe a Margarita on the River Walk?  Thanks to you and other fans like you at the Cabot Lodge, I hope I'll get to Jackson again for a Majors game.  Best wishes to you and your son ... hope the disappointment fades quickly.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 30, 2007, 02:55:12 PM
Wes and any other Depauw faithful,

Curious to see who's making the trip to Memphis this weekend. It should be a good game with a great atmosphere. Rhodes in early November is actually kinda nice.

If anyone does make the trip, feel free to come introduce yourself to me. I'd love to meet some people off the board.

Wes, if you make the trip, there will be some food with your name on it. I think this week might be chili. Of course that would be in exchange for a name drop in the ATR.  ;) ha ha.... just kidding.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 30, 2007, 03:12:08 PM
A decent article in the Jackson paper today on the game and the call made by Jonny Wiener in the Trinity box.  I like what Dubose had to say about it and how the team will further define itself this week.  I have become a huge Centre and Austin College fan this week, don't know about you folks  ;D

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071030/SPORTS030105/710300357
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 30, 2007, 03:47:05 PM
Since Sports and News is my job, I haven't gotten enough of this lateral story... and saying that I have certainly scanned for whatever stories or columns have been posted.

I haven't gotten far, but think link below was enjoyable for two reasons. First... it was written in a very light-hearted, enjoy-the-moment way. Secondly, for one quote at the end:

"It's Division III football -- a lot of people call it glorified high school football," Curry said. "We're not as good as the players you see on ESPN's "GameDay," and we know that. But it's just a great football play by a bunch of guys who are playing because they love football."

Reason enough to be a Division III fan!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3086283&sportCat=ncf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: majordog on October 30, 2007, 05:07:56 PM
Hi Tigerdad, I am the father who gave your son my fire works for him to enjoy that night. He had played such a great game and it was such a great win for any team, I figured he should enjoy them in celebration. What a game to be at, as a football fan, and father of a player # 19 WR/QB I wish Millsaps had won but we did not and you guys did so enjoy it, because I would have..I hope that your son pays this forward to someone else  without regret. Burt Pereira
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 30, 2007, 06:09:08 PM
Meeting brothers off any message board you frequent is always enjoyable.  I've done that time and again over the last few years.  Having the common ground that your son's are battling it out for nothing more than the love of the game is something I think would bring you closer as well. 

Kudos to all involved in the Mississippi Miracle.  Class all the way around it appears.  You probably taught your kids yet another valuable life lesson. 

At the end of the day, all any of us have in reality is our reputation and the class in which we live our lives on a daily basis. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 30, 2007, 06:51:24 PM
Quote from: Dave "d-mac" McHugh on October 30, 2007, 03:47:05 PM
Since Sports and News is my job, I haven't gotten enough of this lateral story... and saying that I have certainly scanned for whatever stories or columns have been posted.

I haven't gotten far, but think link below was enjoyable for two reasons. First... it was written in a very light-hearted, enjoy-the-moment way. Secondly, for one quote at the end:

"It's Division III football -- a lot of people call it glorified high school football," Curry said. "We're not as good as the players you see on ESPN's "GameDay," and we know that. But it's just a great football play by a bunch of guys who are playing because they love football."

Reason enough to be a Division III fan!

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=3086283&sportCat=ncf

The New York Times sports section today had a story about one of the Trinity announcers (he just happens to hail from the Mississippi city where Millsaps is located).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Dave 'd-mac' McHugh on October 30, 2007, 07:46:17 PM
Hey Warren - I read that too. The sad part... I have been in at work at 1AM for the past two mornings and when I posted this afternoon, I didn't say anything because I swore it was an article from the PREVIOUS day!

Lack of sleep is not something I recommend to anyone. And I certainly not suggest working at 1AM! :-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on October 30, 2007, 10:43:08 PM
Sleep is a symptom of caffeine depravation!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 31, 2007, 01:02:43 AM
Quote from: oldmoose on October 30, 2007, 10:43:08 PM
Sleep is a symptom of caffeine depravation!

amen brother. amen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 31, 2007, 08:50:04 AM
"You never know where life is taking you till you arrive." -- Ben Franklin

Actually, I made that up but people will buy anything if you attribute it to Ben Franklin.  I have thought, talked, and written about "the play" until I'm sick of it, so maybe this is one post too many for all of you as well. 

I would have preferred for Millsaps to win last Saturday, but that is water under the bridge and right now the only thing worse than that loss would be a deflated Millsaps team going to Colorado and losing because of a lateral hangover.  As for the future past the 2007 season, I could see where the attention from last Saturday may be one step backwards to take the Millsaps program three steps forward.

Millsaps football has two goals each year:  (1) Win the SCAC title, (2) Win the national title.  The first goal is still a possibility and the second goal was probably unabtainable for this group even prior to the Trinity game.  I'm sorry if that offends anyone, but I don't think this year's team has the talent to knock off Mt. Union for the crown.

What the Millsaps team of the past two seasons has done is to build a solid foundation of trying to achieve goal #2.  With a win Saturday, these players and coaches will have more SCAC wins than any other team over the last 2 years.  That's remarkable considering their 2005 record of 2-7 overall and 1-5 in the SCAC.  They will also be back-to-back SCAC champions (probably co-champions this year), and will have had a turn in the national rankings during both years.

While the idea that Millsaps could compete for a future national championship may seem farfetched to some, is it any more farfetched than saying in 2005 that Millsaps would win the SCAC in 2006 and 2007?  If Millsaps is going to emerge on the national stage, they need to replace the players they lose with even better players, the kind of players that might not have even talked to Millsaps coaches in the past.  Now, with all the name recognition from Saturday, maybe the Millsaps coaches can at least get their foot in the door to talk to certain recruits, and I think that's all they need to sell the program they are creating.

I know that sounds like spin, but don't underestimate the advantage created by someone having heard of your school.  The Millsaps administration has seen a huge boost in admissions since the Saints started training at Millsaps.  They give a lot of credit to the Saints for simply having boosted the name recognition of Millsaps.  Now students, who in the past didn't consider Millsaps because they had never heard of it, are at least willing to hear a sales pitch and some of those students are liking what they hear.  I have no doubt that the same could happen with the football program after the news blitz of last weekend.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 31, 2007, 09:39:16 AM
Frank ... if you notice alot of extra hits on your PhotoBucket page, it's EVERYONE IN THE WORLD looking for your photos from the Millsaps-Trinity game.  I am trying my own patience here.  Here's hoping today EOM goes smoothly for you so you'll have time to upload the gallery!  Good luck to the Majors in Colorado this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2007, 10:04:29 AM
TigerDad,

Considering Saturday's ending, your .sig was certainly prescient.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 31, 2007, 10:32:36 AM
TigerDad--I can understand the desire to see the photos and I'm glad there is an interest.  I'm actually taking off work this afternoon to work on the photos and with some luck I might get them up late this evening, but it might be tomorrow afternoon or evening.  Here's an explanation of the photo situation:

While everyone is most interested in the football, I was also taking photos of volleyball (on Friday), the Hall of Fame banquet, the fans, the Homecoming Court, the Cheerleaders halftime performance, the approximate 100 signs done by the cheerleaders, and then I came back and took photos of two soccer games on Sunday.  It came to about 3,000 photos in 48 hours and just getting them on to my PC and sorted by categories was a task.

Add to that, I've been trying to take care of requests like getting the photo to Sports Illustrated, getting multiple photos to the San Antonio Express, the Trinity athletic department, and the Millsaps school newspaper, all of which takes me away from working on the batch of game photos.  I'm naturally working on the football first because of the interest in the game, but it does take a lot of time--virtually every photo gets cropped and/or adjusted in some way to make it as good as I can make it.  (By the way, I'm posting now because I'm waiting on reports to print, but I can't work on photos because they are on my home PC.)

Just for the record, the photos posted on the Millsaps website will make it look like Millsaps won the game running away.  Afterall, it is the Millsaps website and I cannot show photos of your son running for a touchdown against the Majors.  However, in this particular case, I'm keeping the "good for you, bad for us" photos and I will get those to you.  It was a huge day for the Trinity players and they should have a keepsake of the game.

And now, the report has finished printing and I'll get back to my real job for at least a couple of hours before taking off.  I do understand the desire to see the photos and I'll get those up as soon as possible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on October 31, 2007, 10:47:06 AM
Frank, if you're really taking that many photos for the school, take your time. we all understand. Wish we had somebody like you for Rhodes. That would make things a little nicer over there to see pictures of every sport so they all get equal support.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tmerton on October 31, 2007, 10:55:28 AM

One of my friends has a nephew who plays on the OL for Millsaps (James Antonini from Santa Rosa, CA).  I talked to him about the game this morning; he said his brother (the player's father) was at the Trinity game - and that he was also at the 1982 Cal-Stanford game where "The Play" occurred.  He said his brother has to be the only person who actually attended both games.

The Play (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8_VGBxfAdDM)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2007, 11:28:30 AM
3-D Re-enactment of "The Play" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNRwGmEql4g&NR=1).

This computer generated re-enactment confirms that the controversial lateral occurred before the Cal player's knee hit the ground.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tmerton on October 31, 2007, 11:47:33 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2007, 11:28:30 AM
3-D Re-enactment of "The Play" (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNRwGmEql4g&NR=1).

This computer generated re-enactment confirms that the controversial lateral occurred before the Cal player's knee hit the ground.

That might convince some Aggies, Ralph - but I don't think anyone from Stanford's going to fall for it.

Tmerton (a T-sip) ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 31, 2007, 01:11:10 PM
you will be at AC this weekend Frank?  I may have to stop by and say hello then.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 31, 2007, 05:26:48 PM
Thanks, Frank.  You are THE MAN.  I know Millsaps appreciates your tireless work on their behalf.  So do we, in fact.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on October 31, 2007, 06:02:20 PM
Thought some folks might be interested that a brief story about the lateral play made it into the USS Kitty Hawk's daily newspaper.  It was great, as a TU alum, to see it out here while underway near Japan.  It took awhile given bandwidth constraints, but I finally got a look at the video - remarkable.  Quite a display of athleticism by the TU ballhandlers on the play. 

Two more games - gotta stay focused.

Tom
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tmerton on October 31, 2007, 09:30:29 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on October 31, 2007, 06:02:20 PM
Thought some folks might be interested that a brief story about the lateral play made it into the USS Kitty Hawk's daily newspaper.  It was great, as a TU alum, to see it out here while underway near Japan.  It took awhile given bandwidth constraints, but I finally got a look at the video - remarkable.  Quite a display of athleticism by the TU ballhandlers on the play. 

Two more games - gotta stay focused.

Tom

The Kitty Hawk is still at sea? :o  I spent six months in 1969 following it around the Gulf of Tonkin on plane guard detail.  I did more radio checks with "Pawtucket" (since you no longer use such code names, that's presumably no longer classified info) than I can count.  Seems to me that sucker ought to be about ready for museum status - like my second ship, the Midway (CVA-41), which ya'll can now visit at its permanent moorings in San Diego (for a price much less than I had to pay to spend time on it). ;)

Good sailing out there. +k
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on November 01, 2007, 01:53:02 AM
tmerton,

She will be decommissioned next summer and relieved by USS George Washington as the carrier forward-deployed to Japan.  She's in great shape and planes are landing above me as I type this.  We'll be in Hong Kong later this month for a brief port call.  I just wish the connectivity was a bit better so I could listen to/watch the games!

Warm regards, Tom
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 01, 2007, 09:51:51 AM
D3Navy, thank you for your service.  Stay safe. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 01, 2007, 10:20:15 AM
ok enough about last week. it was great, and good publicity and great games all around the SCAC (except in Danville).

Now, there are a couple games this week that are going on, in case we forgot.

any input on this saturday's games?

If Rhodes shows up, they will give Depauw a harder time that people think. And Depauw has struggled on the road this year. Marks may be back, but he's facing the hardest defense that he'll face this year. The Rhodes offense can't throw 5 total picks this week, but the Depauw defense was exploited against Trinity and against Colorado. I see a good game, provided both teams show up.

Birmingham-Southern has it's best shot all season to pick up a win this week at Sewanee. These are the two lowest teams in the conference, but BSC has given teams a scare so far, and Sewanee has not. I see BSC taking this one, but in a close game.

Millsaps has to take their tired, worn down, frustrated bodies into the cold of Colorado, which is not the comfort of the South if you didn't notice. I'd like to hear other inputs on this game, I'm very intruiged by it and the possible outcome.

Trinity is at home against a Centre team that has not been up to strength with past teams. With Trinity coming off last week's win, they could come in over-confident. I don't see that happening, but it could. The Sports-Illustrated pictures clouding their vision and Centre jumps out early. You never know...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2007, 11:07:05 AM
Quote from: HunterT on November 01, 2007, 10:20:15 AM
If Rhodes shows up, they will give Depauw a harder time that people think. And Depauw has struggled on the road this year. Marks may be back, but he's facing the hardest defense that he'll face this year. The Rhodes offense can't throw 5 total picks this week, but the Depauw defense was exploited against Trinity and against Colorado. I see a good game, provided both teams show up.

The "If Rhodes shows up" seems to be a pretty big key, Hunter.  There doesn't seem to be much rhyme or reason to it, either.  Does DPU see the team that beat Trinity or the team that saw LaGrange play them to a TD and Austin play them to 4?

Millsaps, Trinity, and Rhodes all have similar rushing defense numbers.  Marks didn't run in the Millsaps game and went for 20 carries on 77 yards against TU, with most of that coming in the first half.  He didn't get much in the second half (5 carries) after DPU opened up the playbook.

You are correct in saying that DePauw has struggled on the road, but they've struggled everywhere between the opener and last week when they were finally healthy again.  I have absolutely no idea how they'll play on Saturday.  I think it might be the first roadie they've played with their running back at full strength.  I'm not too sure he was at his best for the Colorado game, from what I was told.  Didn't hear that from him, so I dunno.

A factor you haven't mentioned that has bothered this DPU team at times in the recent past is that once they're out of the race in the conference, they occasionally let one get away in the weeks leading up to Monon (see '06 @ Centre, '03 vs. Centre, @ RHIT.)  Are they going to be in Memphis on Saturday, or are they going through the motions for the LG's? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2007, 12:21:48 PM
Millsaps at Colorado College:  There are some similarities between the CC offensive attack and Trinity's in that both feature a highly mobile QB.   The CC Tigers have a better running attack and a big TE (Nolan Swett, 13 catches/184 yds last week and D3fb.com Team of the Week) who Millsaps will have difficulty covering due to his size.  Ross Alisiani is their leading receiver (both have over 700 yards on 50+ catches).  CC's defense is suspect - only Birmingham-Southern is giving up more points - and weak against the run.   It will be cool but not cold on Saturday with a high of 60 so that should not be a factor.   I can't see Millsaps being anything other than focused to ensure that they still have their shot at the playoffs.  There are a lot of 9-1 teams out there that could still end up 8-2 and while it's still a long-shot they could back in even should Trinity win out.

Centre at Trinity:  I worry about the continuing hullabaloo from last week.   Coach Mohr has a challenge in front of him but I think he's up to it.   :)  Centre is dead last in total offense so unless Trinity turns the ball over (which has happened at times this year, right Hunter?) it will be difficult for them to score against a defense that held Millsaps 100+/- yards under their average on the road. 

DePauw at Rhodes:  Two teams that I have had a very hard time figuring out.  Wes did a better job that I can on this one and I have no idea.  I think every time I have picked a Rhodes game I got it wrong, so let's say DPU.

Birmingham-Southern at Sewanee:  Sewanee has actually played decently at home, with the exception of the Millsaps game, while B-SC has not done well on the road.   Go with the home team. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 01, 2007, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2007, 12:21:48 PM
DePauw at Rhodes:  Two teams that I have had a very hard time figuring out.  Wes did a better job that I can on this one and I have no idea.  I think every time I have picked a Rhodes game I got it wrong, so let's say DPU. 

ouch. that hurts.

I will say though that almost every time i've picked against Rhodes in the past, they pull something out. I'm calling a 16 lateral play with only 1 second remaining from the 38 yard line for the Lynx victory.

How you like dem apples TU?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 01, 2007, 01:48:04 PM
Wes are you making the trip to Memphis this week?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2007, 01:55:31 PM
Quote from: HunterT on November 01, 2007, 01:48:04 PM
Wes are you making the trip to Memphis this week?

Afraid not, sir.  My work schedule is very weekend intensive, so I don't get to do much traveling.

Sounds like I need a new job, doesn't it?  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2007, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: HunterT on November 01, 2007, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2007, 12:21:48 PM
DePauw at Rhodes:  Two teams that I have had a very hard time figuring out.  Wes did a better job that I can on this one and I have no idea.  I think every time I have picked a Rhodes game I got it wrong, so let's say DPU. 

ouch. that hurts.

I will say though that almost every time i've picked against Rhodes in the past, they pull something out. I'm calling a 16 lateral play with only 1 second remaining from the 38 yard line for the Lynx victory.

How you like dem apples TU?

Actually you should be happy, since every pick I've made in a Rhodes game has been incorrect.

And if the Lynx win in this fashion, more power to 'em.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 01, 2007, 09:58:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2007, 02:13:32 PM
Quote from: HunterT on November 01, 2007, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2007, 12:21:48 PM
DePauw at Rhodes:  Two teams that I have had a very hard time figuring out.  Wes did a better job that I can on this one and I have no idea.  I think every time I have picked a Rhodes game I got it wrong, so let's say DPU. 

ouch. that hurts.

I will say though that almost every time i've picked against Rhodes in the past, they pull something out. I'm calling a 16 lateral play with only 1 second remaining from the 38 yard line for the Lynx victory.

How you like dem apples TU?

Actually you should be happy, since every pick I've made in a Rhodes game has been incorrect.

And if the Lynx win in this fashion, more power to 'em.   ;D

hard to argue with that. Hope your pick for Depauw is wrong again this week. At least that way you can claim to be consistant.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 01, 2007, 11:14:13 PM
HunterT ... the patented "Bonzo Inside Reverse Double Whammy" worked for Trinity last weekend ... maybe it will work for y'all too.  By the way, Ron, I never thanked you for your help on that one ... does this keep your streak alive?
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2007, 11:23:23 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 01, 2007, 11:14:13 PM
HunterT ... the patented "Bonzo Inside Reverse Double Whammy" worked for Trinity last weekend ... maybe it will work for y'all too.  By the way, Ron, I never thanked you for your help on that one ... does this keep your streak alive?
;D
The "Bonzo Inside Reverse Double Whammy" is a neat play, but Miracle in Mississippi is more alliterative.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 01, 2007, 11:33:37 PM
well this weekend you're going to see the "Lynx cat laterals"

how about that? I just trade-marked it, so I'll be expecting a nickel from everybody that ever says it.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2007, 10:59:45 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 01, 2007, 11:14:13 PM
HunterT ... the patented "Bonzo Inside Reverse Double Whammy" worked for Trinity last weekend ... maybe it will work for y'all too.  By the way, Ron, I never thanked you for your help on that one ... does this keep your streak alive?
;D

Heavens, no, I get more wrong than I get right.  Glad to be wrong again, as I always am whenever I feel the need to pick against my alma mater. 

Focusing on this week's game:  worth noting that the last Division III team to defeat Trinity in San Antonio during the regular season was Centre - 21 October 1995. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 02, 2007, 11:40:14 AM
I got tired of searching when I got to 1998.  Although, I was just looking for the last time a SCAC school won in San Antonio, let alone a D3 team. 

Good golly, that's impressive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 02, 2007, 11:44:14 AM
As much as I hate to admit it, that is pretty impressive. that says a lot about their program and how it's been able to maintain itself over the years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 02, 2007, 06:01:22 PM
For all you Trinity "Miracle in Mississippi" aficionados, here's a new website:

http://www.trinitymiracle.com (http://www.trinitymiracle.com)

Last updated just a moment ago ... page counter at 721 right now.

Check it out.
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 02, 2007, 08:49:01 PM
Over the last week I've gone out of my way a lot to provide photos to various people, including the Trinity athletic department, because I think the Trinity team and fans deserved their 15 minutes of national fame, something that is hard to come by in D3 athletics.  It is my belief that the players from Trinity are an overall great group of guys and why shouldn't I help them in this special moment.

It is because of this extra mile that I've gone for Trinity, that I feel like maybe I can speak for the Millsaps team without it coming off like sour grapes:

In all the hoopla over the last play, has it dawned on anyone that it took a "Miracle" for Trinity to beat Millsaps and avoid losing the SCAC crown for a second straight year?  I know that if all goes as it is favored to go, Trinity will finish the year ranked ahead of Millsaps and with the AQ from the SCAC, and ultimately it will be because of a "Miracle" that only came about because Millsaps didn't just tell their QB to run like hell backwards on 4th and 4 to run out the clock.  Also in all the hoopla, let's not forget that Millsaps will win at least a share of the SCAC crown if they win tomorrow to back up their outright SCAC crown from 2006.

Think for a second before you just dismiss the above as words of a sore loser or sour grapes--I hope that my actions on behalf of the Trinity program recently will buy me a little more credibility than that.  While Trinity has admittedly had the disadvantage of playing in Jackson the last two years, and that does make a difference, this year's game in Jackson proves that the rise in the Millsaps program is not a fluke.  The only fluke regarding Trinity and Millsaps over the last two years has been that last play, which everyone has readily admitted was a fluke, and without that bit of insanity Millsaps would be a 2-time outright SCAC champ during the first 2 years under Coach DuBose and his coaching staff.  It seems like that part of the story shouldn't be forgotten.

The remarkable thing is that all of this has been done when it truly should have been a rebuilding period at Millsaps.  For those who have forgotten, let me remind you that Coach DuBose didn't get the head coaching job until February 3, 2006 so by the time he put together a staff they were way behind on recruiting.  In addition, they were inheriting a 2-7 team that had produced these stirring headlines in the 2005 season:

"Majors win on blocked extra point in final minutes 24-23" (this was against NAIA Concordia)
"Blazers air it out to take Riverside Rumble 30-13" (vs. Belhaven College)
"Majors lose turnover battle game to Hawks, 49-27" (vs. Huntingdon College)
"Colonels jump on top early, top Majors 38-10"
"Tale of two halves doom Majors 35-21 against Rose-Hulman"
"DePauw too strong for Millsaps, cruise 51-14"
"Majors can't hang on, fall to Sewanee 19-16"
"Homecoming win boost Majors season" (a 30-29 victory over Rhodes which dropped Rhodes to 2-7 and 0-5 in the SCAC)
"Millsaps loses to Trinity" (the writer didn't have the heart to include the 41-0 score in the headline)

So, you have a Millsaps team in 2005 that avoided the cellar thanks to a 30-29 Homecoming victory over the team that did finish winless in the SCAC, and it was a team that wasn't even close to being competitive.  While my intent is not to take away from the Trinity moment and their 62-second "Miracle in Mississippi", I think it is important to point out that there is a second "Miracle in Mississippi" going on and it has stretched out over 2 years with the promise of better things to come in the future.

I'm sorry to everyone for such a long post, but I needed to write it and I think the members of the Saphead Nation needed to have someone say it.  Big C, this one's for you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 03, 2007, 12:15:48 AM
Frank, if I could give you Kudos, i would. Very well said, not taken as sour grapes at all. i i'm just hurt that you had to bring up my senior season as the only reason Millsaps didn't finish last in the SCAC. Thanks.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 03, 2007, 07:21:19 AM
Maybe the "Miracle in Mississippi" really was a miracle.  Talk about one more thing that had to go right, take a look at the game time in these two photos I took before and after the Millsaps field goal that stretched the lead from 5 to 8 points late in the 4th quarter:

Prior to field goal--4:18 on the clock:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi8.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa38%2FF_L_E%2FMisc%2520Photos%2FBlogger%2520Photos%2F071027_FLE_1536Small.jpg&hash=17f36157cec23cabe0e3da0be2d08d7c496aa7e9)

After kicking the field goal and moving to an 8 point lead--4:20 on the clock:
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi8.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa38%2FF_L_E%2FMisc%2520Photos%2FBlogger%2520Photos%2F071027_FLE_1553Small.jpg&hash=acaf594639f542712e780191fdf63c3960ce8da7)

Did the official stop the action to add time to the game clock prior to the field goal attempt?  I don't remember anything like a big discussion and time being added to the clock but maybe it did happen--who would have thought that a few seconds difference at this point in the game would thrust this game on to the national stage? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 03, 2007, 09:22:52 AM
I'm glad Hunter was awake to break up my string of posts--and Hunter, I'm sorry I pulled up memories of an unsuccessful season.  Until I went back and looked at the 2005 season, I didn't realize that Millsaps was just two 1-point victories away from being winless in 2005.  It really highlights just how fast this program has come so far, and while I talk about the coaches often, it is obvious that the players deserve a tremendous amount of credit for this reversal.

BUT, the reason I'm posting this morning is because the photos from last Saturday's game have finally been posted.  Keep in mind that I shoot from a Millsaps point of view so I don't even have photos of Trinity players celebrating TDs, and if I did, I wouldn't post them on the Millsaps site.  Here's the link and may I suggest that a person use the "View as slideshow" option which displays larger images--if you go through the photos one by one, the image tends to look digitized.

Link:  http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v283/Millsaps_Majors/Football_2007/Trinity_10-27-07/

(And while I'm at it:  Go Majors today--get a win and clinch your 2nd straight SCAC crown.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 02:27:27 PM
No surprise that early on it's a defensive struggle between Rhodes and DePauw.   DPU leads 7-0 thanks primarily to a 40-yard Jevon Pruitt punt return that set the Tigers up at the Rhodes 5.  The Lynx just missed a 40-yard field goal after their best drive of the day.   4:15 to play in the first quarter.

Millsaps is up 14-0 at CC with 5 minutes left in the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 03, 2007, 02:34:46 PM
3 points after reading several of the above posts.  

1.  Coach Mohr told me a while back that during his tenure, the only school that has beat TU at home was a scholarship (D-2?) school.  

2.  For Millsaps, great way to turn around a program.  Obviously it's linked to a very good Coach Dubose and staff.  I think the one thing to be extremely worried about if you're a Millsaps fan is how long will Dubose be there.  His name has been mentioned in regards to the SMU opening.  I seem to remember an article from some fishwrap early in the season where Dubose states he wants to get back into big time D-1 ball.  SMU isn't quite "big time" (my words, paraphrasing from old-age memory.  

So, is it a matter of when not if that Millsaps loses Dubose?  Can an assistant keep it going?  

3.  Frank, no sour grapes detected from my standpoint.  You are pointing out something that is obvious and cannot escape anyone with an open mind.  I guess there's something carthetic about posting it though.  I'm not sure there's enough bandwidth to handle all the posts it will take to get over Millsaps missing out on a playoff spot because y'all lost the Mississippi College game the way y'all did.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 02:39:55 PM
(1) is not true.  Besides the Centre loss, Trinity has lost home playoff games to Pacific Lutheran, UMHB and W&J, and the last regular season loss was to Asuza Pacific, an NAIA team.   I'm sure there were other regular season losses at home early in Coach Mohr's career because he had to build the team from nothing.

Sewanee gets a TD early in the first to take a 7-0 lead against BSC.

DePauw misses a 37-yard FG, still leads 7-0 now in the second.

Millsaps is taking advantage of that soft CC defense, now up 21-0, 3:43 left in the first quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 02:58:19 PM
Trinity moving the ball but showing a little hangover from last week.   With 2:01 they get a short Licalzi FG to take a 3-0 lead, 2:02 left in the first quarter.  Centre is still looking for their initial first down.

The Lynx turn away DPU on a fourth-and-one inside their 20, drive to their 25 but can't convert a fourth-and-11.  Just about halftime, still 7-0 DPU.

BSC ties Sewanee at seven after executing a nifty fake punt, 3:38 left in first.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 03:05:52 PM
Trinity fumbles inside their 15, Centre recovers, they still don't have a first down but they do have a tie score after Jason Chadwick hits from 21 yards out.  3-3 after one play in the second quarter.

12:29 to play in the first half, Millsaps leads Colorado College, 28-6.

Sewanee gets a safety on a terrible snap on a punt, now lead 9-7 early  second quarter.  BSC recovers a fumble a couple of plays after a great free kick, knocking on the Sewanee door.

DPU 7 Rhodes 0 halftime as the teams exchanged turnovers in the last minite.

Trinity drives 71 yards with Barmore finding Baer from 13 yards out, Trinity leads 10-0 with 9:51 to play in the half. 

5:58 to play in the first half, Millsaps' Ray Kline returns an INT 40 yards and it's now 42-6 Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 03, 2007, 03:20:58 PM
Millsaps up 49-6 with 5:00 left in half.  Just intercepted; after 3 plays takes it in for TD.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 03, 2007, 03:21:54 PM
Make that 48-6 - Herman misses the extra point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 03:26:53 PM
B-SC up 10-9 on Millsaps now.

Centre still can't get a first down, Trinity can and now leads 17-0, 3:17 to play in the first half. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 03, 2007, 03:37:30 PM
Millsaps ends the half up 48-6 on Colorado College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 03:39:03 PM
Grant Conliffe's first pass on the ensuing Centre drive is intercepted, Trinity can't do anything and settle for a 38-yd Licalzi FG, 20-0 with 2:09 until halftime.

Millsaps intercepts another CC pass, this time in the end zone, just about the end of the half.

Rhodes can't do anything with their first drive of the second half. 

0:59 to play in the first half, BSC scores on a short run, PAT is missed so the Panthers lead 16-9.

Centre is having their first success moving the ball, get a 32-yard Jason Chadwick field goal to trail 20-6, 0:42 left 2nd quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 03:46:50 PM
Jeremiah Marks scores from one yard out as DePauw scores on its opening possession of the second half. 14-0 DPU with 5:46 left in the third quarter.  Jake McCart picked off a Spud Dick offering during the drive, only to fumble it with DPU's Bryan Mulligan recovering. 

The other three games are all at half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 04:06:05 PM
On the first play of the fourth quarter, Marks gets another TD run - this one from two yards out - as DePauw extends the lead to 21-0. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 03, 2007, 04:07:19 PM
Nick Namias takes 22 yard pass from Joseph for a 55-6 lead after the PAT is added.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 04:15:03 PM
Looking like Birmingham-Southern is gonna get that first W today.  Their defense is dominating the game and they picked off a pass on Sewanee's first drive of the second half at midfield.   They get a 41-yard FG and now lead 19-9.   Sewanee's Chris Murhy returns the kick to the BSC 19, so maybe there's still a chance for Sewanee to pull it  out. 

Not much happening in SA as Trinity wastes an interception in Centre territory and the Colonel defense is playing much more crisply so far. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 03, 2007, 04:15:27 PM
Millsaps punts for the second time in the game, downed at the CC 12 yard line with less than 8:00 to go in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 04:23:54 PM
Blake Mears scores from about seven yards out, PAT good, Sewanee closes to 19-16, 10:54 left in third. 

Walter Arrington gets behind the Sewanee D, though, and hauls it 60 yards to extend the lead back to ten.  8:58 left in third. 

DePauw wins, 21-0. 

5:10 left in the third, Sewanee recovers a muffed punt and kicks a 31-yd field goal, 26-19 BSC.

Still 20-6 Trinity at the beginning of the fourth quarter, Centre's Tyler Moody intercepts Barmore at the Centre 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 03, 2007, 04:39:18 PM
Millsaps scores on pass from Burt Perreira to Louis Conley, PAT missed.  Majors lead 61-6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 03, 2007, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 04:23:54 PM
DePauw wins, 21-0. 

Good to see the defense prime the pump for next week.  Bring on the LG's!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 04:42:05 PM
B-SC has another long pass play, Thigpen takes it in from one yard out and now lead 32-19 (PAT no good) 4:44 left in third. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 03, 2007, 04:46:48 PM
Millsaps' Kenny Metzger goes off tackle for 45-yard TD; PAT good by Herman.  Majors up 68-6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 04:49:04 PM
Riley Curry scores on a 45-yard pass from Barmore, Trinity now leads 27-6 with 8:51 to play.

Sewanee's Trey Reliford scores on a short run up the gut, PAT good, trail 32-26, still in third. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 03, 2007, 04:49:50 PM
8:50 left between Millsaps-CC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 04:58:28 PM
Centre goes for it on fourth down near midfield, Lee Patterson makes his second interception of the day.  Four plays later Matt Morefield runs it in from 20 yards out to put Trinity up 34-6, 5:57 to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on November 03, 2007, 05:09:33 PM
Well.....I had a feeling you would either see a huge letdown by Millsaps or an absolute thrashing.  It looks like the latter occurred.  My goodness. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 05:12:42 PM
B-SC gets a field goal and lead 35-26 with about 6 minutes to play. 

Trinity 34- Centre 6, final.   Not their best effort offensively, must finish better next week against Austin College. 

Mears halfback pass to Craig who outjumps the BSC receiver to score.  5:32 to play, it's BSC 35, Sewanee 33. 

Congrats to Millsaps on the big W at altitude.  That was a thrashing - can't wait to see the final stats. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 05:22:59 PM
Sewanee's defense holds BSC but fumbles the ball away on their second play.  Less than two minutes stand between now and the Panthers' first W.  BSC has a third-and-five at the Sewanee 15. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on November 03, 2007, 05:31:36 PM
Final from Sewanee: BSC 35 - U. of S. 33.  First varsity win since 1939!  Go Panthers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 03, 2007, 05:49:29 PM
so if Swanee loses to Rhodes next week does that mean they finish behind BSC in conference since they don't officially have any conference loses?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gobash on November 03, 2007, 06:39:18 PM
Dear Dannies,
The annual Monon Bell thread is up in the General Football Topics.  Have your hired help point your browsers to:

http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5516.0 (http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=5516.0)

And tell mommy and daddy to buy you a new cushioned J. Crew fleece mousepad so your tender skin isn't rubbed raw from those plebeian cotton covered ones.  See you there!

Love,
Wabash
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 03, 2007, 06:45:43 PM
We really can't do this at all without being incredibly rude, can we? 

Heaven forbid a DePauw fan say something like that to a Wabash poster, too.  That'd be when the line gets crossed.

Ugh.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gobash on November 03, 2007, 06:50:16 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 03, 2007, 06:45:43 PM
We really can't do this at all without being incredibly rude, can we? 

Heaven forbid a DePauw fan say something like that to a Wabash poster, too.  That'd be when the line gets crossed.

Ugh.

What, I signed it "Love"?

Sheesh, there's just no pleasing some people...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2007, 07:37:07 PM
Quote from: KentATM on November 03, 2007, 05:49:29 PM
so if Swanee loses to Rhodes next week does that mean they finish behind BSC in conference since they don't officially have any conference loses?

No, BSC's not in the conference standings in any sport and won't be until they complete their provisional D3 period (e.g. until they get rid of all their scholarship athletes that they have in other sports and then get officially blessed by the NCAA). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on November 03, 2007, 08:55:19 PM
While I understand the provisional period for BSC, it's kind of unfortunate that they are ineligible for championships.  Most of their scholarship athletes (and some coaches) bailed out after the D3 announcement.  Some sports were not even able to field teams for a season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 04, 2007, 01:43:27 AM
Follow up question regarding BSC - why does the provisional status apply to football since it was never a D-1 sport and has no scholarship players?  I realize this is a moot point as far as a football championship is concerned this year - just a question.  The answer would also apply to their lacrosse, track, and cross country teams ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2007, 06:31:09 AM
My guess would be that the NCAA says that since the school as a whole was D1 last year, it is provisional D3 in all sports until the transition period is complete.  In theory this avoids the problem where a scholarship athlete in one sport plays another. 

Maybe Pat can clarify because I wondered the same thing.

[edit: in rereading this Sunday AM I realized the bolding of "theory" might make some think that I was implying that BSC has some other sport scholarship athletes playing football, which was not at all the case.  Apologies to anyone who might have read it that way.]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2007, 07:14:14 AM
I agree that this is a different situation as it regards football specifically, but the department as a whole needs to be in compliance with Division III rules before any of its teams can qualify for the postseason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 04, 2007, 07:59:56 AM
Boy, Millsaps is awfully good.  For them to have to end their season next week would be such a shame and don't think I'm patronizing anyone.  I'm pretty sure they could win at least one if not more games.  That said, I read a few pages ago that everyone agrees that the miracle play was a fluke.  I would have to say that "fluke" is oversimplifying it.  A hail mary would have to be called a fluke.  15 laterals, 62 seconds, and 5 guys quitting?  Uh, no.  Let's give credit to those who didn't quit and believe they should win every game they play, all the way to the last snap.     

As it pertains to Dubose, I really would not like to see him go.  It would probably make things easier for Trinity, but it's harder to take pride in what you're doing if it's easy.  It's kind of like when the SEC coaches all wanted Spurrier to stay at Florida.  He makes the conference better.  It's that simple. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 04, 2007, 09:44:41 AM
TU, I did use the word fluke which was never meant to demean the efforts of the Trinity players.  I meant it in the same way that the word "Miracle" has been used, namely that it was a highly improbable way to win a game, much more improbable that a tip on a Hail Mary.  If it wasn't so improbable, unlikely, miraculous, freaky, flukey, quirky, etc., it would have never been on Sports Center.  Maybe I'm wrong on this, but from simply a pure football perspective, I think most Trinity fans would have rather seen Trinity convert the 2-point conversion with 2:11 left and then win the game in overtime.

Regarding the rise of Millsaps under Coach DuBose, I think that's good for Trinity and the rest of the teams in the SCAC.  For the rest of the teams in the SCAC, it shows that competing with Trinity is something that can be done.  For Trinity, they need a stronger SCAC to push them to the level they were at when they reached the national semi-finals in 1998 and 1999 and the finals in 2002.  For those willing to meet the challenge, better competition is always a plus.

A few pages back Tex mentioned that Coach DuBose has been amongst the names mentioned for the SMU job.  I'll admit that having DuBose at Millsaps might be the same as someone like me dating a super model--it's great while it lasts, but you have to wonder how long it can last.  We all know the reasons why a coach might move from D3 to D1, or even from Millsaps College to a bigger and better financed program at a D2 or D3 school.  Here are some reasons why I hope Coach DuBose will stay at Millsaps:

--Jackson, MS is close to his Alabama roots.

--Being in his mid-50's, maybe the idea of staying in one place and building a program is more appealing that getting back into moving up the coaching ladder.

--Coach DuBose talks about building a program.  Well with Millsaps, he took over a team that was 4 points away from a winless season in 2005 and a program that had basically sputtered since the mid-90's.  If you want a legacy of taking a program and building it into a national power, then doing it with a non-power like Millsaps is more impressive than being hired into an existing national program.

--And my biggest hope for Coach DuBose staying at Millsaps would be the coaching legacy of Bear Bryant and Harper Davis.  Coach DuBose played at Alabama under Bear Bryant back in the days when a D1 coach could be more of a role model for his players and coaches stayed in place long enough to inspire an entire generation of fans at a school.  Those days seem to be well behind us.  Lesser known Harper Davis (http://www.msfame.com/artman/publish/printer_220.shtml) was somewhat of a Bear Bryant type at Millsaps College, coaching the Majors from 1964-1988. 

I was at this year's Millsaps Sports Hall of Fame banquet and two of the inductees were former players for Coach Davis.  They talked at great length about the influence Coach Davis had been in their life, not just as a coach, but as a role model, a mentor, and a person they could turn to in the years after college.  Maybe it is wishful thinking, but I get the impression that Coach DuBose is a man who would like to fill that role with both his players and his assistant coaches, and I'd love to see him stay and build a Bear Bryant/Harper Davis type legacy at Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 04, 2007, 10:03:47 AM
I honestly don't see how going to SMU helps Coach DuBose get back to the big-time.  By the time that he accomplishes that he is 60 years old.  Then, which big time program is looking for a big time 60-year old coach?  Or, he has made SMU big time, in an non-BCS conference.

If he can see the joy of coaching real "student-athletes" for whom the egos are not the big problem, then he can have that success.

With Joey Jones at BSC, then SCAC football becomes big-time!  We also may see the same thing with Ronnie Gage at AC.

I think that he stays at Millsaps where he can coach for another 10-15 years, if he really lives coaching as Jimmy Keeling does at HSU, "Coach Fred" at UMHB, etc.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2007, 10:49:13 AM
It would be hard, having once had the brass ring that is represented by a major college gig, to not reach for it again if someone offered the chance.  There is a whole lot more money, publicity (good and bad), etc. in D1 than D3.  If Coach DuBose has reached the point in his life where's he's fulfulled by making better young men via coaching football at Millsaps, more power to him and may he have a long and successful career there.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on November 04, 2007, 11:34:58 AM

i enjoy yalls discussion about scac.... and appreciate yall humoring my stupidity...

Ralph mentioned Joey Jones.... an excellent coach at oak mtn... never got the brass ring... but still was an excellent coach... he was coaching in a tough are with vestavia, homewood, hoover (not all the same classification)....and took oak mtn to the playoffs a bunch .. and by ALL accounts a good guy... he WILL do very well

as for dubose... yall love him... but very few folks in this state do.. at least based on the editorials of the papers, the forums, the call in shows when he coached for the tide or when he went to highschool around dothan and lost there (after the tide)

it tooka while for bama (who i have no love  for) to rebound post dubose... spin it like u want... that is real (can anyone here say albert means ?)

as for him staying at milsaps.... i hope he stays and cn get a measure of redemption

when he played the miss col game the way he did... it was covered in the local paper and radio call in shows (as an oddity from bammer and AU discussions).... and no one... no one was supprised

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 04, 2007, 04:56:28 PM
I agree with the competition thing making everyone better.  Extreme example is the district my son's HS team plays in.  In 2005, we were pushed by well over half the teams in the district.  Our only district loss was to the eventual district champs, but we had to earn just about every other victory right down to the wire including one where we were down 4 TD's going into the fourth Q.  We ended up in the TX 5A final four that year, losing to the eventual state champs. 

In 2006, we rolled over everyone in district, starters coming out in the 3rd Q in just about every game it seemed.  Only one team really pushed us hard.  We never really learned how to play four full quarters of football.  We got knocked out in the first round by an underdog that played in a tough top to bottom district.

In both years and this year, we played top 10 state ranked foes in the pre-district schedule.  Why?  To figure out what our flaws were and to get better going into district.

Relating to what was said above about Millsaps/Dubose pushing Trinity.  I concur.  Keep pushing each other so when you get to the playoffs, you know how to play four full quarters of football.  It appears that several other teams in SCAC are stepping up their levels of play as well.  It's only going to make the entire conference a lot better for years to come. 

Dubose did state publically at the start of the season that he's looking to get back into D-1 ball.  I got that link from this blog back in August. 

I'm not pushing for parity.  Far from it.  I just want to see the entire conference raise the bar across the board. 

Mediocrity sucks, as does being irrelevent. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on November 04, 2007, 09:12:32 PM
I don't think SMU will go after Dubose but for the ? if he is gonna leave millsaps... hmmm...i suppose he could double,triple, or who knows x 5 or 6 his salary with the right move or  he could stay at millsaps and be Mr. chips type football coach and enjoy life. Well, i don't really know what kind of program would go after him, he does have baggage, maybe a sun belt type school, which from a football point of view, offers alot more than d3 scac teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 04, 2007, 09:29:33 PM
It's amazing how much talk the DuBose subject has gotten, especially with the season still a week away from completion.  I guess the bottom line is that having a coach that generates this type of speculation is better than having a coach that no one else would be interested in having.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 04, 2007, 10:38:49 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 04, 2007, 09:29:33 PM
It's amazing how much talk the DuBose subject has gotten, especially with the season still a week away from completion.  I guess the bottom line is that having a coach that generates this type of speculation is better than having a coach that no one else would be interested in having.

To the average Joe, what he's managed to do in two seasons is pretty amazing.  Big credit to the players for buying into it and executing the plan. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 05, 2007, 11:12:22 AM
well my embarassment from this weekend has subsided, and I'm back in town finally. Can't really say anything about this game other than I'm glad it's over. Rhodes couldn't move the ball and had mental mistakes all over the field.

and once the defense is on the field for that long, they're bound to bend some late in the game, which is what happened. Credit to the D for not breaking though, they still were able to put up some stops on the Depauw offense and keep it from getting way out of hand.

The offense had better wake up this week though. Even though Sewanee is not the best team in the conference (literally now), they always come to play when the Cup is on the line. I'm not going to lie about this one, it could be a very interesting match up this weekend in Memphis.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on November 05, 2007, 12:40:41 PM
Quote from: HunterT on November 05, 2007, 11:12:22 AM
well my embarassment from this weekend has subsided, and I'm back in town finally. Can't really say anything about this game other than I'm glad it's over. Rhodes couldn't move the ball and had mental mistakes all over the field.

and once the defense is on the field for that long, they're bound to bend some late in the game, which is what happened. Credit to the D for not breaking though, they still were able to put up some stops on the Depauw offense and keep it from getting way out of hand.

The offense had better wake up this week though. Even though Sewanee is not the best team in the conference (literally now), they always come to play when the Cup is on the line. I'm not going to lie about this one, it could be a very interesting match up this weekend in Memphis.

HunterT,

Nothing to be embarrassed about. The Rhodes defense was strong. They held DePauw from scoring several times in the red zone. Offensive errors put Rhodes defense in some really tight spots, and for the most part they were up to the challenge. You are correct that had the defense not been solid this could have turned into a much larger margin. The Lynx defense was tough- possibly as good as any we have seen this year.

I think the Hi/Lo hit by the Lynx offense was a bit sketchy, but the appropriate flag was thrown and hopefully the players were chastised by coaching for the error in judgement. I was equally impressed that both teams checked their revenge after that play and kept it clean. I heard the DePauw coaches demanding restraint and I assume the same happened on the Lynx sidelines. Kudos to the coaches and captains for keeping the game positive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2007, 07:02:25 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 04, 2007, 04:56:28 PM
I'm not pushing for parity.  Far from it.  I just want to see the entire conference raise the bar across the board. 

Mediocrity sucks, as does being irrelevent. 

Maybe someone will offer Dennis Franchione a job next.  If you haven't heard, he'll be looking real soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 05, 2007, 08:19:05 PM
you do NOT want coach Fran.  trust me on this one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 05, 2007, 08:24:33 PM
Quote from: KentATM on November 05, 2007, 08:19:05 PM
you do NOT want coach Fran.  trust me on this one.

I believe many a Crimson Tide fan may have said that exact thing about Mike DuBose not too long ago.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 05, 2007, 08:35:57 PM
I never understood where Fran got his rep as a team builder though.   He has never had three straight winning years at the same school, his two best years with with players that were not his, he overall winning % once you take out Pittsburg Kansas is not all that either. 

I won't even waste everyones time with more anti Fran ranting though.  Just be warned, the guy is a snake that cares too much about his reputation and money.

Now RC Slocum on the other hand would be an excellent fit for a DIII team IMO. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on November 05, 2007, 08:42:34 PM
you do NOT want coach Fran.  trust me on this one

I believe many a Crimson Tide fan may have said that exact thing about Mike DuBose not too long ago.


Hero.... they still say it about fran.... that was a joke on one of the talk shows today...... the tide faithful (bammers) r still  hate-ing on  fran, dubose, and price...... shula (bless his now rich heart) has just been added to that list

how many bammers  does it take to change a light bulb... really only one... but the rest of those at bryant-denny will set around and talk about how good that old light bulb really was

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2007, 10:01:50 PM
LEAVE COACH FRAN ALONE! (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svrQIxdaf7k)

Please click on the link for your enjoyment!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 06, 2007, 12:24:42 AM
Wow Ralph. Now we all know what you do during the day.... not sure I wanted to know that though.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 06, 2007, 09:16:22 AM
Ok, Ralph,,,, here's my $.02

DuBose to A&M
Francione to SMU
Bennett to Millsaps

See???  Can't we all just get along?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on November 06, 2007, 10:58:18 AM
"Jones learns his first BSC squad is close to competing in D3"

Mike Perrin's column in Nov. 6 edition of the Birmingham News.

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/mperrin.ssf?/base/sports/1194340530181850.xml&coll=2
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on November 06, 2007, 01:09:16 PM
Nothing wrong with getting some guys put out to pasture at the d1 level to come back to the game and teach at the d3 level. For instance, i think hendrix would be a perfect spot for ken hatfield to start a program up.  Or you got Gary Barnett out there , i'm sure there are alot of former coaches who made enough $'s that they might want to enjoy the d3 game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 06, 2007, 10:07:20 PM
Just wanted all the Austin College/Trinity fans, parents and players to know that I'll be shooting Saturday's game in Sherman for d3football.com.  Photo galleries from the game should be up by sometime Sunday before noon.

Please check them out early and often, and remember that all sales benefin this site.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 06, 2007, 11:39:16 PM
A rather amusing look at the Trinity Miracle can be found here: http://slatev.com/player.html?id=1293598758 (http://slatev.com/player.html?id=1293598758)

See - just like Mohr drew it up.

Aside from the reference to 'Trinity COLLEGE', this is pretty good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2007, 12:09:40 AM
I didn't know that Coach Mohr uses profanity either.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 07, 2007, 12:15:04 AM
Pretty sure that isn't him, Ralph  ;) - and I probably should have mentioned that when I posted it just in case, since what offends some may not offend others.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2007, 12:43:32 AM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 07, 2007, 12:15:04 AM
Pretty sure that isn't him, Ralph  ;) - and I probably should have mentioned that when I posted it just in case, since what offends some may not offend others.
If the writer of the dialogue had done more research, then he would not have used those words either!  Coach Mohr might be chagrined that someone is assuming speech that Coach Mohr would not use. ;)

The professionalism that original Trinity broadcast team was what impressed me.  They stayed on message thru the entire play!

The skit is clever.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 07, 2007, 12:55:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2007, 12:43:32 AM
The professionalism that original Trinity broadcast team was what impressed me.  They stayed on message thru the entire play!

Believe me - as a student broadcaster myself, that did not go unnoticed on my end! I have to admit to some jealousy - that's the kind of play and the kind of moment you dream about being behind the mic for. The kid from Trinity handled it with aplomb.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 07, 2007, 01:06:02 AM
I love the video. "If you hold the ball for more than 1 nanosecond, you owe me 80 push ups!" Spoken like a true coach.

I especially like the entire drawing of the play at the end. "ok next we're going to work on our trick plays. Now everybody take a lap!"

quality. good job on finding that one. I was actually curious to see if somebody would draw it up and follow each players movements throughout the entire play. That last drawing is about what i expected it to be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 07, 2007, 06:35:02 AM
Ralph, the guy who did the chalktalk video has already been contacted and asked to remove the profanity....  Also we asked him if he would 'allow' the real Coach Mohr to over-dub a version in his own voice... wouldn't that be memorable!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 07, 2007, 09:33:01 AM
A scheduling change on the Millsaps Coach DuBose show--it will be tonight at 8 pm central time instead of the normal Thursday night show.  Here's a link to get to the page with the "Listen Live" link:

http://www.espnradio1240.com/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 07, 2007, 11:12:15 AM
only a few more days... the suspense is terrible... I hope it'll last. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 07, 2007, 11:48:59 AM
Kent,  I think that there are a lot of people hoping that your Austin over Trinity upset talk the past few weeks comes true. There is a lot of anticipation for the last week, as there always is.

My attention is focused on the Rhodes/Sewanee game in whole. This is the rivalry for both schools. There is no real liking for either team from the other, just a good hard fought hard hitting battle every year. This is a toss up game every year because of how either team could come out and play.

This could actually be the "Rivalry Week" for the SCAC. Monon Bell Game, Edmund-Orgill Cup. And I think there are some geographic rivalries that could take shape with the new teams in the conference. Austin/Trinity, as already talked about by Kent, and Millsaps/BSC. The latter maybe not the best of games or closes geographically, but I think this could shape up to be a good game for both teams in a few years. Maybe if the schedule stays the same, it could make the last week of each season a little more fun to look forward to, other than just seeing who is going to the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2007, 12:40:41 PM
Quote from: historymajor on November 07, 2007, 06:35:02 AM
Ralph, the guy who did the chalktalk video has already been contacted and asked to remove the profanity....  Also we asked him if he would 'allow' the real Coach Mohr to over-dub a version in his own voice... wouldn't that be memorable!
+1 historymajor!  I would not want someone putting those words in my mouth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2007, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2007, 12:09:40 AM
I didn't know that Coach Mohr uses profanity either.

Forget the profanity, I didn't know he had little bit of a lisp.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 07, 2007, 01:49:34 PM
I guess I'm the sinner in this bunch, cuz I've had a few GD's roll off my tongue from time to time over the years.  Not something I'm proud about, but it happens.  I also manage to drop a few F-bombs and other assorted mentally-weak expressions from time to time.  No excuse, but I certainly don't begrudge the comedy writer for dropping one. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 07, 2007, 03:03:20 PM
Hey, don't get me wrong, I've never been in running for sainthood, but the specific player he tied the GD comment to (by name) is FCA leader on the team....  and it's just not appropriate...  I think he'll willingly address his faux-pax either with a bleep, or a re-dub.  At any rate, very little harm, no foul called,,,, just reversed after further review...
Title: South Region NCAA Playoff Discussion
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2007, 03:12:01 PM
Following is a post I included in the playoff section.  Wanted to share it with you.

Just my observations / opinions / hopes. Obviously I would like to see Millsaps get in , but it would be nice if the Majors can't go to see Miss College, at least one more team from the real south represented and give us three teams from the SCAC / ASC.

Seems like it could be possible?See what you think --- (no profanity used)

Quote from: Bill McCabe on Today at 11:34:00 am
As of today, who do you see as the 8 teams in the south?


Bill -

There is a good deal of disussion at the South Region fan poll section as well as the General / Pool C section. There are also similar regional posts in the East, North and West sections.

Based on these posts, many of which are very insightful and enlightening, it looks like the South could possibly have more than 8 teams with a reasonable shot at a bid.

The strongest regions are the North and South regions. There is some discussion that the East may only have 6 teams and the west maybe less than 8.

Based on the limited understanding I have, it seems that an advantage will accrue to the south because of Wesley and Salisbury being likely Pool B selections.

This coupled with the fact that NC Wesleyan in not ranked in the top 10, at least as of last week, provides an opportunity for the south to have up to 3 teams on the board for consideration for Pool C bids by the committee. If NC W moves into the top 10, 2 teams. The thing that is significant is that with Wesley and Salisbury likely getting Pool B invites, the 8, 9 and 10 teams have a chance for a look.

Based on the win loss records in region and the SOS numbers published this week, teams that could be included in the top 10 include the top 8 teams from last week followed by,( in order of regional record and SOS),  NC Wesleyian (7-1 / 7-2) SOS 49.7%, Millsaps (7-2 / 7-2) SOS 54.1%, Dickinson (7-2 /7-2) SOS 50.6, Hampton -Sydney (7-2 /7-2) SOS 49.3, Mississippi College (7-2 / 7-2) SOS 44.9 followed by other south region teams with 2 loses Washington and Lee, Depauw and Ursinus.

Important match-ups this week-end  include the Randolph -Macon / Hampton- Sydney game and the Trinity  / Austin College games for the remaining AQs. The first game is between 1 and 2 in the conference and is a championship game, Trinity is the favorite in the Austin game.

If RM or Trinity lose, they would be likely move to the short list for Pool C consideration.

One other interesting issue is the loss last week by Waynesburg to provisional Geneva. Technically, the committee looks at the in region results. for selection purposes. However, the loss last week to Geneva, a team with a pretty good record, could negatively effect Waynesburg when subjectiviy is brought into the equation. The Waynesburg numbers are (6-1 / 7-2) SOS 42.4%.

If you strictly took the South teams by record then by SOS, the list would be the same as last week, reshuffled in order just a bit with NC Wesleyian being added in at spot 8, Waynesburg moving down to 9, by virtue of it's 6-1 regional record, followed by Millsaps moving in at 10.

Based on the aforementioned strengths of the other regions, coupled with several head to head match-ups between other region's teams with one loss now just ahead of our south two loss  teams, gives Pool C eligible teams  making the final south rankings a reasonable shot a getting in in my opinion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 07, 2007, 06:44:46 PM
Quote from: HunterT on November 07, 2007, 11:48:59 AM
This could actually be the "Rivalry Week" for the SCAC. Monon Bell Game, Edmund-Orgill Cup. And I think there are some geographic rivalries that could take shape with the new teams in the conference. Austin/Trinity, as already talked about by Kent, and Millsaps/BSC. The latter maybe not the best of games or closes geographically, but I think this could shape up to be a good game for both teams in a few years. Maybe if the schedule stays the same, it could make the last week of each season a little more fun to look forward to, other than just seeing who is going to the playoffs.

that would actually be pretty cool if the L tried to set it up as a rivalry week type deal.  I would LOVE for the Trinity game to always be our last in a TAMU/t.u. type of thing. 

I am really starting to get a little nervous.  I have talked such a big game for so long now...  I do plan on losing my voice though.  I haven't shaved for a month now hoping my beard will give the team special powers. 

Maybe I'll run into some of you Trinity folk at the half when I go to our cruddy concession stand to get a lukewarm hot dog.  Please excuse any drunkenness though I think I'll really only be trying to keep warm depending on the weather.  I tend to stay sober enough to know whats going on but I will give no guarantees about the people sitting in the endzone.  They have had some.... "colorful" things to say to opposing teams. 

I still haven't decided what noisemakers I will bring.  Right now I'm looking at a pot that got ruined when I forgot it on the stove but I really think some cowbells would be nice.  I could just get some drumsticks and attack our bleachers.... Who knows what I'll do but you'll know its me though from how loud I will be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 07, 2007, 09:43:07 PM
Leave the bleachers alone, KenTAM.  I'll have to find somebody to pay for it!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 07, 2007, 11:17:10 PM
Kent, go for it. the louder the better. and if you're looking for more of a bass sounding drum, use the 5 or 10 gallon paint cans. If you can find some empty ones they make a good bass drum. Then Austin College would turn into the South American soccer fans. That would be impressive.

the louder and more energetic the better.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 08, 2007, 11:48:10 AM
I just don't think there are enough 2 loss Pool C's getting in to let a 2 loss Millsaps, Trinity, or Miss Coll get in. 

You gotta think Capital is the leader in the clubhouse for a 2 loss Pool C.  I would think Whitworth is there as well, since one of their losses came to an NAIA team.  And they beat Linfield. 

Unfortunately, the SOS for either Millsaps (62), Trinity (112), or Miss Coll (168)  is way too low for them to have a chance at a Pool C.  I mean, I'm a big fan of both conferences, but who have any of those teams beat other than each other?

Pat's   playoff projection (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2007/11/07/projecting-the-playoffs-3) in the Daily Dose agrees with that assessment, saying Capital and Whitworth are the only 2 loss Pool C teams to get in.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 08, 2007, 11:59:58 AM
Actually Whitworth has one regional loss so I wasn't including them in that, but Hobart and Bethel are projected in as of today with two regional losses as well as Capital.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 08, 2007, 12:43:44 PM
Missed Hobart.  Thanks for the clarification, Pat.  Even the Statesmen have a higher OWP than any of the three I was discussing.

I mentioned Whitworth as a two loss team, because I reckoned somebody would point their finger at the Pirates as a two loss team that got in instead of a South team. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 08, 2007, 09:53:18 PM
This playoff stuff in college football is exciting stuff.  I'm a newbie to D-III.  Wow, the concept of a bunch of teams getting together to actually play out a championship bracket is the way it should be.  Where have I been?!? :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 09, 2007, 10:55:52 AM
lots of big games this weekend. good luck to every team.

input from certain people about their games?

As for Rhodes/Sewanee (since I seem to be the only poster for each school), I think Rhodes should be able to walk away with this one. Sewanee seems to be having it's worst year in recent memory, while Rhodes has shown signs (at times) of being a high caliber team. I think the Rhodes defense wins this one, probably with a score of their own. I don't see the Sewanee offense putting up many numbers or points, but I don't see the Rhodes offense, which has been questionable and inconsistant this year, putting that many of their own. I see a strong running game for the Lynx and a dominant defensive performance. That added with it being in Memphis for the last game of the season and a rivalry will make this a great game to watch or listen to. Rhodes 17 - Sewanee 3
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 10, 2007, 10:01:19 AM
As is usually the case, things die down on the board as the season winds down.  It's a little odd to have such quiet in this case with the SCAC title and AQ still not fully determined, but I think most people see this weekend as a formallity in that regard:

Trinity at Austin--While I'm certainly pulling for Austin, Trinity wins this big.  There's too much on the line for Trinity to be flat and they have too much talent on both sides of the ball for Austin.  For those hanging their hat on the Austin-Millsaps game being somewhat close for 3 quarters, look at the details of that game.  Austin had under 200 yards of total offense with 72 yards coming on the first play.  And the Millsaps scoring was held back by the missed field goals.

Sewanee at Rhodes--I just don't see Sewanee winning their first SCAC game of the season while playing on the road.  Rhodes needs a win to finish above .500 for the season and in the SCAC and they'll get that win.

Colorado at Centre--Two teams who were hoping for a "Miracle Hangover" last week and instead they got a focused Millsaps and Trinity team.  I actually thought Centre was going to give Trinity a good game but they just don't have the offense needed to pull that kind of upset.  Centre will get the job done today in maybe the most competitive SCAC action of the day.

Birmingham at Millsaps--It's Senior Day at Millsaps and the team will not be flat.  From all accounts, Birmingham has put together a very solid foundation for a program this season and I bet they become a factor in the SCAC in a hurry (in regards to wins and losses--I think their games don't count in the standings for 4 years).  This game won't be like last week's score where Millsaps only had 52 players they could play, but it won't be a close game.

Wabash at DePauw--I know I'm pulling for DePauw because it would be a big win for them and for the SCAC.  My guess is that DePauw is playing like they wish they had been playing for those home games with Millsaps and Trinity.  Let's remember that DePauw is still 7-2 with the only losses to Millsaps and Trinity, so I'm going with them to use the home field advantage, high grass and all, to pull off the upset over 9-0 Wabash.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 01:58:08 PM
DePauw and Wabash tied at seven midway through the second quarter.  DPU has missed a FG in a game that has not seen much defense.  Both teams are completing around 75% of their passes, and Marks already has over 60 yards on the ground. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 02:05:28 PM
Wabash now up 14-7, six minutes to play in the half.

Trinity-AC and Sewanee-Rhodes are underway. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 02:18:14 PM
Austin College has a fourth and three at the Trinity 42, goes for it, gains two yards.  Trinity takes it pretty easily down the field and score on a 10-yard pass from Barmore, 7-0 Trinity midway through the first. 

DePauw can't convert a fourth and goal from the one with 14 seconds left in the half, 14-7 DPU at the half.

Rhodes up 7-0 on Sewanee, 3:57 to play in the first quarter.

Barmore finds Coleman for about 60 yards, Trinity scores one play later, 14-0 5:38 to play in the first quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 02:37:25 PM
Barmore finds a wide-open  Baer from 15 yards out, PAT is good, Trinity leads 21-0 with a little more than a minute to play in the first quarter.

Rhodes still leads 7-0 and Wabash-DPU is still at the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on November 10, 2007, 02:43:22 PM
millsaps 35 - BSC 0 end of 1st quater.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 02:44:38 PM
Sewanee gets a short TD run but the PAT is blocked and returned by Mason Mosby for a defensive PAT.  Rhodes leads 9-6 with 7:42 to play in the second quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 02:52:18 PM
Dick finds Marks for 36 yards and a TD on the opening drive of the second half but the PAT is missed so Wabash still leads 14-13.  Marks has 116 yards rushing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 03:01:49 PM
Austin College blocks a Trinity punt and take over at the TU 11.  Ryan Cowley scores from three yards out on a fourth and one.  PAT is no good, Trinity leads 21-6 with 5:40 to play in the half.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 03:08:10 PM
DePauw drives to the Wabash 20 but given the troubles in their kicking game elect to go for it on fourth and 7.   Spud Dick's pass is incomplete and Wabash takes over, still leading 14-13.

Sewanee trails Rhodes 9-6 at the half.

Wabash takes a 21-13 lead when Matt Hudson finds Bart Banach for 65 yards and a score.  51 seconds left in the third.

Trinity takes a 28-6 lead on a Barmore sneak, 19 seconds left in the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on November 10, 2007, 03:21:56 PM
Millsaps 52 - BSC 0. At the half
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 03:27:24 PM
DePauw gets a big first down near midfield on a fourth-and-one, still trailing 21-13 around seven minutes to play.

... and another when Spud Dick's pass is complete to Bryan Mulligan for 5 yards on a fourth and three.  DPU now inside the Wabash 20.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 03:36:39 PM
With 3:37 left, Spud Dick's pass to Jeremiah Marks  is good for eight yards and a touchdown; the Tigers go for two and Dick finds Alex Coors to tie the game at 21.

Rhodes gets a short FG on an extended opening drive of the second half and now lead 12-6 with 5:47 left in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 03:47:18 PM
With 1:30 left, Wabash goes for it facing a fourth and five from the DePauw 35, Hudson's pass is intercepted by DPU's Pruitt inside the DPU 5.

AC recovers an onside kick to start the second half in Sherman.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 03:58:21 PM
Depauw drives from their 4 to the Wabash 29, Jordan Havercamp hits a 47 yard field goal attempt as time expires, DPU WINS 24-21!!! CONGRATS TIGERS!!

Spud Dick:  23-35 300 yds, 3 TDs, 1 INT.
Jeremiah Marks:  45 rushes, 181 yards; 7 receptions, 97 yds, 2 TDs.
Bryan Mulligan, 15 receptions, 145 yds, 1 TD.

AC stalls out at the Trinity 25 after recovering the onside kick.  A big double reverse gains about 50 and then Baer scores from 9 yds out.  XP no good after a poor snap, Trinity 34, AC 6.

Still 12-6 in Memphis.

AC fumbles on their next drive - Trinity recovers.  Several plays later Matt Morefield scores off the option pitch from 11 yards out, Trinity leads 41-6 with 3:37 to play in the third.  TU video feed off the air but the AC announcers are doing their usual fine job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 04:15:45 PM
Blake Mears scores from nine yards out, PAT is good this time, and Sewanee takes a 13-12 lead over Rhodes with 4:55 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2007, 04:31:09 PM
Kent Bell finds Eric Shon on a corner route from 23 yards out.  Trinity 41, AC 13 with 12:14 to play.  Nice extended drive by the 'Roos, 16 plays, 70 yards, 6:15 off the clock.

Rhodes gets a short Catalanatto FG to take a 15-13 lead with 40 seconds to play.   An interception by Valentine inside the Rhodes 20 seals the win for the Lynx.

Centre wins today, 45-31.  Colorado College outgained the Colonels 466-360 but five turnovers ruined the day for the visitors.

Coaches put everyone and their uncle in the game in Sherman - Trinity clinches the SCAC's playoff bid with a 41-13 win.  Good luck to the Majors tomorrow as the SCAC (and Millsaps) seeks its first-ever Pool C bid.   Millsaps won 58-7. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 10, 2007, 08:39:51 PM
I told you guys that the Rhodes game would be closer than people thought. It's never an easy game, and the rivalry is always strong. Glad to see that we came out with the win.

Impressive win by millsaps today. wow. good luck to them tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on November 10, 2007, 10:14:43 PM
I hope it's enough... With all due respect to MC and Trinity, It'd be an absolute shame if Millsaps is kept out because of an asterisk loss and a miracle play. All bias aside, Millsaps is one of the best teams in the south and could easily be 10-0. I don't doubt for a minute that this is a top15 caliber team or better, and definately one of the south's finest. If their season is indeed over, then Millsaps will probably be the best team in the nation sitting at home. It's up in the air, but if Millsaps does get in.. watch out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on November 10, 2007, 10:55:28 PM
just a kid

i hope Millsaps can get in also... i understnd  your reference to miracle play... it was a great one of a kind play

... but i looked up the schedules and results... and did not see an asterisk loss to MC (27-26).... just a loss ... no spin on a loss

still... it would b a shame if they did not make it... as i pull for all southern teams... including those from mississippi

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 10, 2007, 11:57:11 PM
1.  Trinity never gave up, Millsaps did.

2.  MC came back and won regardless of which stringers Coach had in the game. 


Missing the playoffs would be a shame, but they just have to look themselves in the mirror collectively and accept the blame. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 11, 2007, 12:14:16 AM
Quote from: Tex on November 10, 2007, 11:57:11 PM
1.  Trinity never gave up, Millsaps did.

2.  MC came back and won regardless of which stringers Coach had in the game. 


Missing the playoffs would be a shame, but they just have to look themselves in the mirror collectively and accept the blame. 

Tex --- Just exactly who gave up ,"collectively"? Would like an answer on that one.

In fact would love to personally invite you to Jackson on my nickel, assmeble the 120 young men on the team, let you watch and review the entire game film with them, and then have you specifically point out the "collective group / team" that gave up.

Then, if your up to it, we would love for you to share your wonderful / experienced insight and advice on how to be better man and football players and how to never give up.  Email or call me and I will make arrangements with Coach Dubose and send you a airline ticket and a stipend or per diem for your out of pocket travel expenses and your professional time. Bring the kids and get a few more college visits in east of the Mississippi,(not Millsaps). There is life over here.

You really don't have a clue do you?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2007, 12:25:19 AM
After Carl substantially changed his prior post, mine makes no sense, so I have to edit it as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 11, 2007, 12:43:15 AM
Just a comment about what Tex and others have said about that last play in the Trinity vs. Millsaps game.  This crap about "Trinity never gave up, Millsaps did" is a bunch of BS and I invite anyone who believes that to go back and look at the tape more carefully.  There may have been a split second of confusion where a couple of players thought the play had ended, and there may have been a few players who simply ran out of gas on a play that lasted about 6-10 time longer than a typical play.  Before you say a particular player "gave up", go back on the video and trace just how much effort that particular player expended on the entire play.  

And yes, I know that Coach DuBose of Millsaps said that some of the Millsaps players quit on the play--a comment that I think reflected the emotions of the moment and not the reality of what actually happened on the field.  I think he may have had second thoughts about that comment after seeing the play on film, but regardless of what he thought later, I still invite Tex and everyone else to go back and look at the final play more carefully.  The reality of the last play is that both teams played hard and to use the words of everyone from Trinity, a "miracle" happened with a bunch of 50-50 things going the right way which resulted in a touchdown.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OleFan on November 11, 2007, 12:51:48 AM
I had a grandmother, an aunt, and my brother all went to DePauw.  I was accepted at DePauw, but decided to attend another school.  I still follow the Monon Bell game, and I was pumped to see the Tigers beat Wabash.  Sportscenter made it even better.  Congrats Tigers!  Hopefully my St. Olaf Oles and the DePauw Tigers can keep knocking off these dumb jock schools like Wabash and St. John's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 11, 2007, 12:54:53 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 11, 2007, 12:43:15 AM
Just a comment about what Tex and others have said about that last play in the Trinity vs. Millsaps game.  This crap about "Trinity never gave up, Millsaps did" is a bunch of BS and I invite anyone who believes that to go back and look at the tape more carefully.  There may have been a split second of confusion where a couple of players thought the play had ended, and there may have been a few players who simply ran out of gas on a play that lasted about 6-10 time longer than a typical play.  Before you say a particular player "gave up", go back on the video and trace just how much effort that particular player expended on the entire play.  

And yes, I know that Coach DuBose of Millsaps said that some of the Millsaps players quit on the play--a comment that I think reflected the emotions of the moment and not the reality of what actually happened on the field.  I think he may have had second thoughts about that comment after seeing the play on film, but regardless of what he thought later, I still invite Tex and everyone else to go back and look at the final play more carefully.  The reality of the last play is that both teams played hard and to use the words of everyone from Trinity, a "miracle" happened with a bunch of 50-50 things going the right way which resulted in a touchdown.



Thanks Frank --- As noted above, I not only invite you to do what Frank said, but really, come on over  to Jackson on my nickel and meet with the team and straighten us out Tex.  Consider it an open invitation!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on November 11, 2007, 01:01:56 AM
I never said MC did not making an amazing comeback, and I never came close to saying either team in the Trinity game quit.  In fact, I praised both teams after the performance.  I think both games were amazing games, including all those who participated.  So to the same people, who love to pounce on everything I say, enough already.. I'm not attacking anyone.
I entirely realize that Millsaps is 8-2 ,and the reasons for that, but I am still entitled to my opinion.  I give ALL credit to MC and Trinity, and make no excuse for either loss.  They were both excellent games whose outcome just happened to come down to once in a lifetime situations/play.  Again, hats off to both of the other schools for capitalizing.  I simply believe that Millsaps is far better than most of the country gives them credit for, and its unfortunate a team from the south cannot represent the south.  As a Millsaps fan, I fully understand the W/L column and make zero excuses--Millsaps is no doubt 8-2.  I just think they are a team that is far too talented to be going home, and could definitely be a huge wildcard in the playoffs.
As for what Carl said... well, it's not an insult.  He did nothing but support his team.  The only insult was insinuating that any of men in that game gave up.  Hats off to Trinity, but not to remarks like that.  Both teams gave everything they had, and one team capitalized on a once in a lifetime play.
Regardless, even if Millsaps doesn't get the bid, someone from the real south should. The south can't prove how good it is until they give a few legit teams from the south a chance in the playoffs.
Good luck to whoever goes... truely... I just hope it's a team from the south... and I think Millsaps would be the best representative. Just my thought... I don't expect everyone to agree.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on November 11, 2007, 01:03:43 AM
And a big congrats to DePauw. What a huge win for them!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 11, 2007, 01:16:30 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on November 11, 2007, 01:03:43 AM
And a big congrats to DePauw. What a huge win for them!

Agreed. That was a great win by a fine team that faced tremendous adversity this year playing much of the season with their all evrything running back on the sidelines nursing an nagging injury.

Very proud of Depauw in this big win for the fine folks in Greencastle and the SCAC.

When time permits, go out and check out Depauw's position / rankings in D III. Might surprise you / not me, and I bet no surprise to Wabash.

Only two losses were tough fought games to Trinity and Millsaps. Tough games for both the Tigers and the Majors as well!

Big time game / season Depauw!!!

Way to "never give up"!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 11, 2007, 01:22:22 AM
Quote from: Carl Menist on November 11, 2007, 12:54:53 AM
Great year Chris!!! Congratulations to the Choctaws and Coach Joseph!!!

Some pretty good D III Football in the Jackson area. Probably would be hard pressed to find two better turn around stories in such close proximity anywhere around the country. A real credit to Coach Joseph and Coach Dubose, their staffs, the support of the schools and the buy in and execution of the systems put in place at both schools by the young men on the teams.

There are a bunch of teams around the country that I am confident would love be in similar situations as the Chocs and Majors.

Not bad, not bad at all!

Carl,
  Thanks for the post on the ASC board, same goes for you guys. A terrific season for the Majors and their fans, as well as a frustrating one considering circumstances and how close you were to ten wins. It might take a little while, but eventually Major fans will look back and appreciate what the team has accomplished the last two years.

Division III has it right with the playoff format, but it doesn't allow much room for error with so many teams and so few at-large bids. Usually several teams are always left out who are talented enough to win several games in the playoffs, which will certainly be the case again this year.

Still, you never know what the selection committee will do tomorrow. Great season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2007, 02:06:16 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on November 11, 2007, 01:01:56 AM
As for what Carl said... well, it's not an insult.  He did nothing but support his team.

Not in his original post, which he edited substantially after I made my post.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 11, 2007, 02:44:14 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 11, 2007, 02:06:16 AM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on November 11, 2007, 01:01:56 AM
As for what Carl said... well, it's not an insult.  He did nothing but support his team.

Not in his original post, which he edited substantially after I made my post.

I actually thought you were talking to Tex???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 11, 2007, 07:46:43 AM
It's early morning and I can either work on photos or post on the D3 board.  Obviously I've choosen to put off the photos for just a few minutes:

--There's various SCAC/Millsaps talk spread across several topics because of the playoffs, so in some ways this is a response to several threads.

--Ralph corrrectly pointed out recently how the veterans on the message board realized the significance of the Millsaps loss to MC right away in regards to the at-large chances.  He pointed out that with only 7 at-large berths, there is a very thin margin of error if you want to get an at-large bid.

--Speaking for myself for sure, and I think for school officials, I actually thought the margin of error on an at-large bid was so thin that a 9-1 Millsaps team playing in the SCAC would not be considered for an at large bid.  Some of that thinking goes back to the 2007 baseball season where both Rhodes and Millsaps were hurt by the weakness of some of the SCAC teams, but that's not a discussion for today.

--Regardless of how the playoff selection goes today, I'm not going to go back and second guess anyone on the MC game.  While I said then that it wasn't the route I would have taken, my point was that the coaches apparently felt the need to play as many people as they could in the first two games because they faced 8 SCAC games that might not allow much playing opportunity for anyone other than the top 52 (only 52 can travel and the home schedule was Rhodes, Centre and Trinity, before ending up with BSC).

--I'm guessing here, but I don't think that there was any certainty at Millsaps on August 30th, the date of the MC game, that there would be any JV games.  This was the first time Millsaps has ever played a JV schedule (one game with MC and two with Belhaven).  My gut feeling is that a JV schedule in place on August 30th might have changed the outcome of the MC game because the coaches would have taken a different approach, but that's water under the bridge.  In the couple of weeks prior to the MC game the Millsaps coaches were swamped in dealing with about 60 new players and a thousand things to do to get prepared for the varsity season, and I just don't think they had time to know for sure that they could put together a JV schedule.

--And finally, the reality is that Millsaps is 8-2 and I'll understand if the teams doesn't get into the playoffs.  I know that the two losses came because Millsaps chose to play the eventual JV team against a very talented MC team and because a very talented Trinity team came up with a play that is called by some "the greatest play in college football history".  Those are oddity losses and the smallest margin of victory in the wins was the 18 point victory at DePauw--obviously Millsaps is a decision and a miracle away from 10-0 and probably a top 15 ranking, but that still leaves them at 8-2 and with so few at-large bids, that puts them in a very difficult spot.

--And finally, for real this time, let me just congratulate the Millsaps seniors for the last two seasons.  Some were at Millsaps during a couple of low seasons and some came in and were just a part of the revival, but it is a talented group of guys who have laid a great foundation for the Millsaps program.  They leave a lot of very big shoes to fill in regards to both talent and leadership and I wish them all well in life, and hopefully in the NCAA playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on November 11, 2007, 11:16:50 AM
Carl - Frank... all yall... between franks voice of reason and carls challenge to a grappling match in jackson... this has been a most amazing morning... and i am sure this post will cost me  a bunch of karma points... (i thinK  there is a law against karma in alabama )

carl offered to pay Tex's way to jackson to tell the 120 kids who gave up.... i personally am unsure if anybody gave up (i assume u mean aginst Trinity)... but yalls coach ..........YALLS COACH.... said he saw kids quitting on the play (is quitting like giving up ?)..

so instead of getting all over tex... CARL... look at yalls coach

it is interesting... and only bring it up since u went crazy on tex ...... i remember ... that in 1997... AU vs AL... bama had won if they sat on the ball... no doubt... then for some reason... bama threw a swing pass out in the flats to poor old ed scissom... who got it stripped... auburn came up with it...and kicked a field goal... beating bama as the game ended.....
accepting no responsibility for a stupid call and play,  the bama head coach blasted the player for "not hanging on to the ball" just after the game, then promptly fired 4 coaches ............... what was his name ????...any takers... i could say more but won't

carl............ before u go ape crap all over tex... for his observations.... well ask yalls coach who quit.... he is the one who said some body did... again (as frank said in the heat of the moment ) after the game

i have enjoyed yalls cyber company.... i still hope yall get a bid   yall really do deserve it .... but in yalls frustration of the season and rationalization of yall predicament... ain't no point in challenging some one who just paraphrased yalls coach

keep the faith.... if u can
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 11, 2007, 11:26:11 AM
Frank,  very well said. If I could give you points for it, I would. It's been interesting reading all this, and since I have no real position on it since my team is sitting at home, I'll refrain from making comments.

I just want to agree withs Pats profile, "Discuss football in a positive way." not immature banter that in the long run does nothing but make yourself look bad.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 11, 2007, 01:08:06 PM
I will just say that I called it like I saw it.  On the last play of that TU/M game, several of the Milsaps players seemed to just stop trying.  FOR WHATEVER REASON.  Their own coach callled them out.  Basically you should be cracking on me for parroting Coach DuBose (who I think is a miracle worker and have stated such on more than one occassion). 

I've played, I've coached.  I do have a clue.  The two mistakes that Milsaps made this year lie squarely on Coach DuBose.  Hindsight is 20/20, but two bad coaching decisions cost this team dearly.  Combine that with the players that quit playing on that last play and here you have it. 

Again, I just call it like I see it.  You can certainly take exception to my opinion.  It is your right to object as strongly as you wish.  This is America.   Time to focus on next year.

I'd be angry if I was living in Jackson right now as well.  Wow, the SCAC is such that if you stub your toe more than once, you're out of the playoffs.  That's a lot of pressure on everyone. 

I'm not trying to tick anyone off.  Just offering my opinion. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 11, 2007, 01:31:52 PM

I was actually tuning in to post about the shame of Millsaps being shut out of the playoffs, but I find the comments by the Majors faithful far more compelling.  Not in the way that Frank's are, who gives everyone his due and is intelligent about everything.  No, I think everyone knows the posters of whom I write.

Asterisk loss?  Hmm.  That followed up by double talk about how he gives credit to all parties involved and a supreme attempt at covering his rear and saving his karma points.  Sounds like a politician.

Asterisk.  Hmm.

A round trip at your expense to address the Millsaps players and coaches about not quitting?  My guess is that part of you is serious.  My other guess is that Dubose would tell you that he doesn't need anyone to come in and address that.  They have the film and they've probably covered it.  Just by making a ridiculous offer like that, you discredit yourself, which is a shame because your writing style is quite polished.  You're acting like a crazy SEC booster.  Don't bring that kind of nonsense here.  Many of us are here because we don't have to deal with that. 

Sorry guys.  I call it like I saw it too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 11, 2007, 01:48:31 PM
AF 4 -

If you view my post as a challenge to come over "for a grappling match" you read more into than you should have.

My strong emphasis that included an invitation for Tex to Jackson was my emphatic way of saying that his comment was totally without basis and offensive to me. It is common for broad or blanket comments to be made about people or circumstances when you are not facing the people you are commenting on.

When communication is face-to-face, particularly critical communication, the comments are typically more thought through and defensible and as a result,with basis. The exaggeration of having this gentlemen from Texas come over and speak to the team regarding their "quitting" was to point out the lack of thought and substance of his statements. Nothing more, nothing less.

Frank evidently put his response to Tex's allegation much more eloquently than I did, reference to "BS" and all. Certainly, very concise and to the point on Frank's part.

It is one thing to bad mouth me or something off point regarding an opinion I have or the way I happen to say something, but it is another thing to insult and put down the kids out there on the field laying it on the line, be it my son and his team or any other team.

Now --- congratulations to Millsaps, Coach Dubose and his staff for a great season and very special run over the last two years. 2007 SCAC Co-Champions and 2006 SCAC Champions. Looking forward to the future and what it will bring for Millsaps, the SCAC and Division III football in the South. It is a great game and a blessing to be a part of.

In addition, congratulations to or cross town friends over at Mississippi College on a fine season as well and to all the teams that are in the 2007 NCAA playoffs.

Good luck to Trinity as the represent Millsaps and the rest of the SCAC in the playoffs. Play well.
!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 11, 2007, 04:55:13 PM

Without basis and offensive to you.  Was your son among those who allegedly quit on the play?  The lengths to which you go to explain your case makes it seem as though you have quite a bit of emotion wrapped up in what was caught on camera.  Everyone has seen it, and apparently conclusions have been drawn according to allegiance.  It sounds like the x factor in your position is your son, and it continuously blows my mind how much effect a man's son's football status can alter his perspective. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 11, 2007, 06:03:01 PM
Here, let me let someone else say it, perhaps more eloquently than myself...

"The worst part about it is we had five or six guys just quit on the play," Millsaps coach Mike DuBose, the former Alabama coach, told The (Jackson, Miss.) Clarion-Ledger. "That type of thing just shouldn't happen. Sure, we were tired. But so was Trinity. You have to finish the play. We stopped."

http://www.boston.com/news/odd/articles/2007/10/29/trinity_wins_15_laterals_on_last_play/

I suggest all you "homers" give ole Coach DuB a call and perhaps suggest to him that he's full of BS.  I really respect the job this guy has done and even more importantly, I respect his "calling it as he sees it."

So all of you that want to take me to task... start with your own coach.  Once you publically admonish him for his statement, then come talk to me.  I've had nothing but respect for what MC has done these past years.  Go back and read my posts.  But kids quit playing on that last play.  They stopped before the whistle blew.  They have to live with that.  I realize that a lot of MC fans are bitter.  Heck, I'd be bitter as well.  Mad as heck with my coach for not having the punter just play keep away for a few seconds and end the game.  Mad as heck for my coach being stubborn and not putting his starters back in to seal a win.

Mad as heck at some guy from Texas pointing out stuff I don't want to deal with. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 11, 2007, 06:52:29 PM
May I suggest a cease fire on much of what has gone on for the last two pages--everyone has had their say and there isn't much more for anyone to say about what I would consider water under the bridge.

I will address one thing that I think falls into the new subject category.  I was up at Millsaps for a basketball scrimmage this afternoon and I spoke to a few of the football players.  Certainly they are disappointed and I'm sure they have thought about plenty of "what ifs", but it is not a campus in mourning.  Life goes on--they still own two straight SCAC championships, the future looks bright, its a great coaching staff, the players are a great bunch of guys, and there's always next year.  Maybe there are some people who are bitter or are mad as heck, but I would consider that the exception and far from the norm from what I've observed. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2007, 07:10:37 PM
I agree.  It's all been said. 

Trinity folks should go back in time about one year to realize how the folks at Millsaps feel this weekend.   Time to start worrying about how in the world to deal with UMHB. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 11, 2007, 07:44:34 PM
So, does anyone give Trinity a chance against UMHB?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 11, 2007, 07:45:04 PM

Trinity has as good a shot at this one as they did whe...nevermind.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 11, 2007, 08:16:59 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on November 11, 2007, 07:45:04 PM

Trinity has as good a shot at this one as they did whe...nevermind.


Hey!  none of that, none of that! 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 11, 2007, 11:53:51 PM
Congratulations to the Millsaps Majors on a fine 2007 season ... y'all have really helped put the SCAC in the spotlight this year and accomplished some great things.  A quick look at the SCAC conference stats shows the Majors proud.  Well done, men.  Two rings in a row proves you are legit.

If I came to Jackson, that's what I would tell you.  Nothing more needs to be said.
Title: SCAC Season Wrapup and Trinity V UMHB
Post by: Carl Menist on November 12, 2007, 03:13:56 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 11, 2007, 11:53:51 PM
Congratulations to the Millsaps Majors on a fine 2007 season ... y'all have really helped put the SCAC in the spotlight this year and accomplished some great things.  A quick look at the SCAC conference stats shows the Majors proud.  Well done, men.  Two rings in a row proves you are legit.

If I came to Jackson, that's what I would tell you.  Nothing more needs to be said.

Thank-you for your kind words and our congratulations go to Trinity as well.

In regard to the upcoming game I have no question as to weither Trinity can line up and play with UMHB. In fact, there are some areas that I think can be attacked and exploited were I think Trinity has mismatch advantages.

It goes without saying that a fine game will have to be played by Trinity to win, but that is what it should take to move on in the playoffs. Following is a post I made 4 weeks ago after seeing the UMHB - Mississippi College game in Clinton:

Went out to Clinton to see the Chocs play the #2 MHB Crusaders this afternoon on the afternoon of the Millsaps open date. Nine or ten of the Majors came out to see the game as well.

Kind of expected to see something like the New England Patriots based on the scores of MHB's games, their ranking and the hype. If I had not seen the game myself, ( 62 - 17 at the end of the third quarter), I would really wonder if MHB could be played with by just a very good D III football team and would further think that MHB was in the wrong league, maybe should be in D-1AA or at least D-2. This is not was I witnessed / observed today.

They have a fine team, good size linemen on both sides of the ball with good speed --- but  they did not look invinsible!

Trying to be objective, I really think MC could have played the game much more closely and even thought early in the first half, after they had been down 14 - 0,that they possibly could come back and win.

Didn't happen though, the Chocs got blown out.

Just an opinion, but in my opinion, MHB is beatable. They are a great team, but they are beatable.

Of note were at least 6, maybe 7, runs of over 75 yards for TDs. A turnover or two that translated to quick TDs for the Cru. All part of the game but I think the Chocs could have done better, much better at adjusting to stop the replication of a track meet type afternoon of rushing the ball and they could have taken better care of the ball when they had it.

For instance, on defense. MC had 9 people up tight in the box  for a while resulting in the "off to the races" off tackle dives and traps fo rthe Cru. Once the back hiit the hole and broke through the line, no one was there or even had the chance of getting there on an angle to make the tackle or slow the runner --- nobody. This may be somewhat understandable for one or two plays, but not 6 or 7. DOn't get me wrong, the backs were good --- good speed, but not NFL prototype 6"3 225 monsters that could fly. The primary back was no more than 6' tall, and weighed 180. A running back that a good D-3 linebacker, corner or safety should be able to tackle. MC made no adjustments in the first half and the consequences were devastating.

On offense, mismatches with the 6'4" MC wideout against the 5"8 or 9" Cru DBs were not fully exploited in my opinion.This was particularly noted in the first half when MC got the  ball on a turnover down in the red zone.  Seems like some kind of fade or fade comeback with a 6'4" versus 5' something 155 lb DB should have been at least tried.

I know it looks allot different from the stands, but getting lit up for 6 or 7 off tackle rushing TDs is something I have never seen and would not expect to see between two good college football teams.

The Cru were impressive, but I really think MC could have done more to counter act their strengths and successes in this afternons game.. I think that MHBs next opponent will make adjustments to stop the 75 plus yard TD after TD runs.

I also think any representative from the SCAC that might end up against "The Cru " in the NCAAs will make them win with something other than a bunch of 75 and 80 yard romps. Be it Steve Mohr from Trinity or Mike Dubose from Millsaps, my guess is they will have a defensive scheme that will not allow 6 75 to 80 yard rushing TDs.

MHB looks tough, very tough, but not invincible in my opinion.

Itis just too bad for MC that they couldn't have represented themselves better this afternoon. I think they have a better team than the score, stats showed for today.

In conclusion, I am satisfied that D-III is a proper classification for the Cru and that other good D III teams should be able to and can play with them.

Just an opinion, but in my opinion, MHB is beatable. They are a great team, but they are beatable.


Good luck Saturday and I hope your son has a great game. He certainly could inflict allot of punishment on the UMHB corners if he can get outside in space and be a big factor in the outcome.

I know you are proud of him. He is a very fine player.




Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 12, 2007, 06:09:28 PM
Images from Saturday's regular season finale between Trinity and Austin College are up in the Photo Galleries section of the main page.

Check them out!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauwDad on November 12, 2007, 08:17:03 PM
I have been walking on air since the finish of Saturday's Monon Bell Game and haven't monitored this board. It appears  I have missed some spirited banter.

First off, thanks to everyone that posted some love for DePauw. Our team really struggled with injury this year and we all would like to "what if". The bottom line is that injuries, bad decisions, miracle plays, and funny bounces are why we strap on the helmets and play the game.

I am bummed that the SCAC only gets the automatic bid, because we deserve more. I think we at DePauw could do some damage now that we are healthy, but that is not going to happen.

I wish Trinity much good fortune as they carry our banner.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on November 12, 2007, 08:53:29 PM
(Ponders) Politician...? Thank you! I've been called much worse things on this board!
Now I know there are several conspiracy artists in here and those who love taking what I say and making them out to be another, so in the most genuine and passive way I possibly can, I'm going to have to let some of you down.
At no point have I made any excuses for any losses this season. What's done is done. Millsaps had two losses this season and that's all that matters when it's said and done. You are 100% right about that. It is unfortunate.
That said, though, the point I was making, in my opinion, was a legitimate one. MC beat Millsaps, and so did Trinity. I was whole-heartedly congratulating both of those schools for their win. Regardless of what happened during the game, both of those squads (MC/Trinity) gave 100% until the very end, and should definitely be commended for their victories. I was being sincere in my praise, and if you choose to make it more or less than that it is, that's your choice. Regardless, my congratulations to MC and Trinity for fine wins and a fine season.
That said, my point is valid, and not even directed toward anyone. It think it's would have been something to consider if I were in the position to give pool C bids. I apologize that the statement was offensive, but again, it wasn't intended as such.
Without taking anything away from MC or Trinity (with all sincerity), if you truly believe that the MC game would have had been the same if Millsaps starters had played it through, I would like to meet your dealer. As for the Trinity game, well, the Man upstairs was looking down on them for 2 seconds long enough. There were at least three lateral blindly tossed perfectly into another's hands, and a perfect bounce. It was a once in a lifetime chance, and they pulled it off. It was an amazing play (despite not working out how I would've liked it). Moreover, honestly, have you seen my karma? Let's be serious now...
And about the quitting... If you've ever been a part of the game you'd probably know that no team that good, in the big of a game (Conference title/homecoming) is going to quit. Some cramped, some thought it was over, I'm sure there are tons of reasons and "excuses", but I truly doubt that anyone just decided that they didn't care anymore. Yes, quote DuBose to justify remarks, but truly think about what you're saying. What player in this world, especially non-scholarship D3 athlete would just quit in a game like that?
Lastly, I wish Trinity the best of luck. I hope they can represent the SCAC well. I just wish that other quality teams (Millsaps, DePauw, MC, etc...) from the real south could join Trinity in the endeavor...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2007, 09:14:07 PM
9-1 will get a 2nd SCAC bid.  We just need to have the runner-up try that one year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2007, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on November 12, 2007, 08:53:29 PM
Yes, quote DuBose to justify remarks,

No offense, kid, but it's not justification, it's evidence. Who knows better than the coach?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 12, 2007, 09:43:43 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2007, 09:15:57 PM
Quote from: Just_that_kid on November 12, 2007, 08:53:29 PM
Yes, quote DuBose to justify remarks,

No offense, kid, but it's not justification, it's evidence. Who knows better than the coach?

How many people have said things in the heat of the moment and later rethought what they said and apologized. It takes a big person to say I am sorry and that I made a mistake. I sure have.

It is my observation that that has happened at Millsaps and the coaching staff and team is moving forward in a positive way.

Like you just said, "who knows better than the coach"?

All in all, there have been allot less mistakes made as compared to right decisions over the last two years.

Now, as SCAC fans lets see how the Tigers can do over the next few days and hopefully weeks, get a little break and then get ready for next year. Should be a good one!

How about two SCAC and two ASC teams in the playoffs next year --- something POSITIVE  to shoot for!!


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on November 12, 2007, 10:22:38 PM
Truely, this is ridiculous. I compliment two teams and their work ethic, and IM made out to be the trouble maker. I think a few people in here need to look in the mirror and quit nit picking over everything I say--especially when it's not even the point of what I'm talking about.
It's been fun this season, and I will stay posted. Good luck to Trinity. I hope next year we'll have several SCAC and ASC teams able to make it. Be safe folks...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 12, 2007, 10:23:01 PM
Came across this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmJxLYWO4s) on YouTube.  About a minute worth of celebration after the Bell game.  They pick the Bell up off that cart thing and take it to midfield.

Whoever took this film did so from the Wabash side.  They also seem very pleased to post it.  Interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 12, 2007, 11:33:34 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 12, 2007, 10:23:01 PM
Came across this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QCmJxLYWO4s) on YouTube.  About a minute worth of celebration after the Bell game.  They pick the Bell up off that cart thing and take it to midfield.

Whoever took this film did so from the Wabash side.  They also seem very pleased to post it.  Interesting.
Carl, it is all about the Bell!

That is something special that DPU and Wabash share.

My opponent who contends with all of his strength makes me stronger, and I respect my opponent for that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 13, 2007, 05:55:47 AM
Congrats to Trinity.  They brought a pretty good crowd and the few of them that I talked to were pretty nice (they were all older adults).  They jumped on AC early and never let us in it.  Of course we made too many silly mistakes to really contend anyway.  There were also some curious coaching decisions like going for it on 4th at the 50 on our first possession while punting from about the Trinity 35 when we were down 21 but again, we weren't going to win w/the turnovers and the blown coverages.

Ahh well, hopefully next year we can cut down on all the mistakes and come out with a winning season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 13, 2007, 10:13:58 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2007, 09:14:07 PM
9-1 will get a 2nd SCAC bid.  We just need to have the runner-up try that one year!

Ron, I'm kinda new to D-3 but is that accurate in years past?  A one-loss, 2nd place team normally gets in?  Would that hold true in the ASC as well? 

Recent history shows that Trinity missed out of last years playoffs due to an early season loss to Texas Lutheran if your point is well taken.  In most leagues I'm familiar with (from TX high school football on up), it's all about league play.  Non-league is normally not counted against you. 

So, are there just *that many* D-3 teams such that 32 teams have only one loss?  I know that I'd not want to try and manage a 64 team tournament for football.  32 seems like a big logistic challenge as it is. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2007, 10:40:30 AM
90% of the time a 9-1 record will get you in.  I can't remember a time (since the playoffs were expanded to 32 teams) when the SCAC runner-up was 9-1.   The exception would be if the non-conference teams you played were really bad impacting your OWP/OOWP.   

When the ASC got two teams in the runner up was 9-1. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 13, 2007, 12:21:28 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 13, 2007, 10:13:58 AM
So, are there just *that many* D-3 teams such that 32 teams have only one loss?  I know that I'd not want to try and manage a 64 team tournament for football.  32 seems like a big logistic challenge as it is. 

What Ron said, plus this:

Concerning earning a Pool C Bid, you aren't looking for 32 teams with one loss.  You're looking for 7 teams with one loss who didn't win their conference.  Those are fairly sparse.

EDIT: So much so that you see 2 loss teams like Capital, Hobart, and UW-Eau Claire get in.  Yes, Whitworth got left out with technically only one in region loss, but that's fairly rare.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 13, 2007, 06:12:04 PM
Carl ... thanks very much for your kind words.  Yes, I am.

All you Trinity fans need to head on over to the ASC topic on this board:
  http://www.d3sports.com/post/index.php?topic=3803.0

UMH-B fans have already advanced the Crusaders several games deep into the playoffs ... I think they're making hotel reservations in Salem.  That's just the way we want them to think this week!

GO TIGERS ... BEAT THAT CRU.
(1 Sam 17)
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: k-hud on November 13, 2007, 08:33:46 PM
I'm not really sure where you're getting that from, TigerDad, seeing as how virtually all comments regarding UMHB in the last several pages of the ASC board are either questions/comments about the #4 seed or commentary on last week's HPU game and how certain things UMHB did in that game might affect Trinity's scouting report.

One comment about the 2004 team being the "Road Dogs," and saying that IF the team makes a run again this year they will have to do the same, doesn't translate at all to "they're making hotel reservations in Salem." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on November 13, 2007, 09:10:00 PM
Hello SCAC fans, I am not sure if any of you would count on this but accoring to the local newspaper the UMHB-Trinity game will not be on the radio. I am sure most of you who are Trinity fans would have been listening online or be there in person, but just wanted to make sure no one got dissapointed on Saturday. I hope all of those making the trip have safe travels.
http://www.temple-telegram.com/story/2007/11/13/44932
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2007, 09:29:04 PM
The article says that it will not be on broadcast radio but will be available on UMHB's web site.  The Trinity guys will probably do their broadcast but I doubt they'll be able to have the video feed due to the lack of internet capability at the Belton stadium.  Historymajor, what's the plan?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 13, 2007, 09:38:14 PM
Hey kid,

I think everyone liked the idea of dropping this subject.  I just feel like I must advise you to stop using the term "asterisk."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 13, 2007, 09:55:04 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Analysis of TU vs. UMHB playoff game)

Congrats to Carl Menist on his "to-the-point analysis" (see Reply #4085 above) of the UMHB vs. MC football game. I must say that my analysis of that game and for the game this Saturday agrees with every word; and yes the Cru is "beatable". Can it be done? Yes. Will it be done?   :P   If so, Carl's battle plan seems right on target. Tigers take note and Go, Go, Go; we really need this one.

                                                                                 ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on November 13, 2007, 10:25:12 PM
I spoke too soon aparently the game was moved to another radio station 91.3 FM.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 13, 2007, 11:22:16 PM
Just to spark conversation about how Trinity matches up with UMHB and maybe learn a little more about Trinity football, here are a few thoughts from an ASC poster.

Obviously, the #1 thing Trinity has to do to play with UMHB is not turn the ball over. UMHB has forced 41 turnovers (25 int's) and committed just 21. It's not that they physically intimidate opponents as much as they are capable physically of applying so much pressure that they force you into mistakes.

I would agree with much of Carl's post concerning the MS College/UMHB game although I probably have more respect for UMHB's athletes which are just better, and more importantly, deeper than MS College, Trinity or Millsaps at this point in my opinion. Carl probably would not say this so it doesn't sound like sour grapes, but I thought Millsaps would be a little better matchup against the Cru with their shorter, quicker passing game. 

I think Carl's right that the Choctaws could have played with them with zero turnovers, but we had six. MS College did pass for 523 yards, but they forced us into so many turnovers it didn't matter. Trailing 28-17 with the ball deep in UMHB territory, MC began a string of five consecutive turnovers that resulted in five quick touchdowns that made the score 62-17.

Although I have not seen Trinity play, their stats are very similiar to MS College with maybe a more vertical passing game than Millsaps. But I noticed they have allowed 25 sacks this season, ten more than the Majors and four more than MS College. I would like to know what Trinity is usually known for offensively and defensively and how they will match up athletically. 

On a side note, I would not count on UMHB trying any experimenting with the passing game early. Against UWW they started the game 2-6 with two int's, one in which was returned 60 yards to make the score 21-0. I don't think Whitewater was that much better than UMHB, but the early passing was a little uncharacteristic of The Cru and put them in an unfamiliar situation behind by so many points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 14, 2007, 03:01:55 AM
Thanks Bonzo for your 'lead-in'.  We have been trying to get any info available about the facilillities at Belton. 

We ARE still planning a full audio/video streaming. 

https://secure.stretchinternet.com/wlive.php?user=trinity&id=29021 (https://secure.stretchinternet.com/wlive.php?user=trinity&id=29021)

IMPORTANT NOTE:

In order to view the videocasts, your computer must have
Apple's FREE QuickTime 7 Viewer properly installed.  We can't
help you with that software installation, but here's a link that
you can use to download it from Apple.com and install it:

http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html (http://www.apple.com/quicktime/download/standalone.html)

NOTE: Unless you want to install iTunes to manage ALL your music
and videos, be sure to select the TOP VERSION (WITHOUT iTunes!)


Ugh!!!!  So far we have been told by SID John Wallin..."There is a phone line, but I would think that is less than ideal. We have not been able to get Belton ISD to install data ports. It was like pulling teeth to get them to add extra phone lines a couple of years ago." 

So, we will, at a minimum, be bringing the webcast via audio. 

LIVE WEBCAST INFO:

HI SPEED: http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports-ch1-96kb.m3u (http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports-ch1-96kb.m3u)
LO SPEED: http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu_sports-ch1-36kb.m3u (http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu_sports-ch1-36kb.m3u)

We have not given up hope of doing the full streaming video.  We are contacting a local internet vendor in hopes of securing wired, or high-bandwidth wireless access. 

If that doesn't work we can try wireless broadband through AT&T or Verizon (not usually high enough band width).

Or as a very last resort, we will tape delay it for full video/audio rebroadcast later....

Whew, I hate to think how much I've got to do between now and then...

Hey, we 'got' the "Miracle in Mississippi" to ESPN in time for SportCenter 10/27/07!!!

I forgot to add a special thanks to EL TEA GRAY, whose forceful support pushed us into even attempting this!

As they say... stay tuned!

P.S.  Please remember, this is an all-volunteer endeavor.  Technical difficulties beyond our control are just that!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 14, 2007, 01:19:17 PM
For those of you unfamiliar with the efforts of historymajor on behalf of Trinity University Tiger Football, I would only say that Bob's tireless work to bring TU football to the "Internet masses" have been Herculean and cutting edge.  It was his idea, he made it happen, and it wouldn't have happened without him.

I've been working with him and the all-volunteer crew all season and I will tell you that the obstacles have been MANY and the technical assistance VERY LIMITED (if any).  As he posted earlier, if a good-quality, high-bandwidth Internet connection is not available in the stadium pressbox (Rhodes, Millsaps, etc.), then the videocast simply can't happen.  We do record it, but a delayed broadcast has very limited appeal and that's just not the same as watching it happen LIVE.

Speaking as a parent of a Tiger player, a Trinity fan, and somebody with relatives all over the USA who enjoy keeping up with the games LIVE on Saturdays, I say a BIG THANK YOU to Bob, Bill, Jonny, JustinT, Butch, Josh, JustinP and all the other guys behind the scenes.  Without their efforts, NOBODY would have seen the "Miracle in Mississippi" on ESPN that night and NOBODY BUT US would know that Division III is "real football by real student-athletes"!  I want to see those guys all walk the stage at the ESPYs ... y'all deserve more than 62 seconds of fame!!

You can't buy this kind of effort, but if you could, you'd be paying ALOT for it!  Karma or no karma ... I say +100 at the least.

Pat, Keith, Ralph: How about a "D3Football.com" Special Merit Award this year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 14, 2007, 02:11:33 PM
I agree about historymajor's contribution to the 2007 season.

I concur that he deserves some type of accolade.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 14, 2007, 04:00:21 PM
The internet broadcasts have been awesome guys.  I've enjoyed a couple of games this year.  The announcers do a great job as well. 

I never really thought about it being limited by the local access where you are.  Makes sense that colleges are well-wired, but that Belton stadium...  hmm... 

My son and his team played there two weeks ago.  It's one of those older artificial turfs where instead of using the little ground up black rubber pellet stuff, they use ground up gravel and sand.  The players need to go the extra mile and tape their forearms and elbows.  Lots of our guys came away very cut up from this turf. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 14, 2007, 06:44:39 PM
Update... I have been in contact with a local internet supplier in Belton who will test a wireless link tomorrow for necessary band-width,,,  he thinks it's a 'go', and I told him we'd give them kudos for 'making it happen'.  Hey Ralph, Bo's the big 30 on Saturday,,, can you believe it?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 14, 2007, 06:52:17 PM
RE: Team Capsules.... W&J "they'll have to prove they can beat an ASC team"....  I would edit that to say TEXAS team!  Go Tigers,,, represent the "Miracle"!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Rick Akins on November 14, 2007, 06:58:04 PM
 Tex:

I do not know much about turf, but I know the Belton H.S. turf  was installed only 3-4 years with a substantial financial assist from UMHB, I believe $50,000 a year for  ten years to pay in effect 50% (or more) of the initial cost. My numbers may not be exactly accurate, but I know UMHB contributed a lot and it was not that long ago. It is disappointing to hear the turf is "bad"--it is certainly not old.

Hope you can make the wireless work--maybe UMHB needs to offer to pay a lot of that upgrade too!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 14, 2007, 10:03:18 PM
I'm in the midst of burning about 270 DVDs for Millsaps football so I have plenty of time to think football and I'll be tied to my computer all weekend and can keep up with the playoffs.  Tonight I was thinking about just how close we came to having a Millsaps-MC rematch in the first round of the playoffs this year.

It has been well documented on just how close Millsaps came to winning the Trinity game and the AQ for the SCAC.  For MC, the game that kept them out of the playoffs was the heartbreaking 45-42 loss to Hardin-Simmons.  Is there any doubt that a 9-1 MC team would have been matched up with a 9-1 Millsaps team in the first round of the playoffs?  That would have been an exciting, big money, low expense game.

It just goes to show how small the difference is between being a ranked NCAA playoff team and being a team that has packed it up for the season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 14, 2007, 10:56:26 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 14, 2007, 10:03:18 PM
I'm in the midst of burning about 270 DVDs for Millsaps football so I have plenty of time to think football and I'll be tied to my computer all weekend and can keep up with the playoffs.  Tonight I was thinking about just how close we came to having a Millsaps-MC rematch in the first round of the playoffs this year.

It has been well documented on just how close Millsaps came to winning the Trinity game and the AQ for the SCAC.  For MC, the game that kept them out of the playoffs was the heartbreaking 45-42 loss to Hardin-Simmons.  Is there any doubt that a 9-1 MC team would have been matched up with a 9-1 Millsaps team in the first round of the playoffs?  That would have been an exciting, big money, low expense game.

It just goes to show how small the difference is between being a ranked NCAA playoff team and being a team that has packed it up for the season. 

That would have been an incredible college atmosphere with all of the talk surrounding the first game. I wouldn't have been surprised to see 10,000 fans trying to cram into the stadium.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 14, 2007, 11:53:11 PM
Quote from: historymajor on November 14, 2007, 06:52:17 PM
RE: Team Capsules.... W&J "they'll have to prove they can beat an ASC team"....  I would edit that to say TEXAS team!  Go Tigers,,, represent the "Miracle"!!!!!!
I guess that the 1994 W&J win over Trinity still counts.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2007, 01:28:52 AM
Indeed -- it's as if I was paying attention. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 15, 2007, 01:21:21 PM
I meant that one way or another it'll be a TEXAS team, and of course I'm a TU guy!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 15, 2007, 02:19:09 PM
Quote from: Rick Akins on November 14, 2007, 06:58:04 PM
Tex:

I do not know much about turf, but I know the Belton H.S. turf  was installed only 3-4 years with a substantial financial assist from UMHB, I believe $50,000 a year for  ten years to pay in effect 50% (or more) of the initial cost. My numbers may not be exactly accurate, but I know UMHB contributed a lot and it was not that long ago. It is disappointing to hear the turf is "bad"--it is certainly not old.

Hope you can make the wireless work--maybe UMHB needs to offer to pay a lot of that upgrade too!

Wow, I'm really shocked.  3-4 years old?  I was standing on that field in 05 and this year in 07.  (I have been shooting photographs for my son's team for 3 years).  I guess one of the reasons it looks old is the "sheen" that is on it.  If they get the broadband thing going, you'll see what I mean.  Honestly the knap of the field reminded me of one that had been several years old.  They really chose a weird shade of green as well.  Darker than most other fields. 

The issue is that most of the new fields being put in are the "Field Turf" stuff that has the little rubber stuff shreaded up and worked into the surface.  Players seem to prefer the Field Turf over whatever the fine folks at Belton ISD came up with. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 15, 2007, 03:50:10 PM
Wow ... just got finished reading the D3 bracketology and Keith's ATN. There's simply no love for the Trinity Tigers yet this season.  Apparently TU is underqualified to match up with the Crusaders ...

hmm ... I'm thinking lateral.   ;D

GO TIGERS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2007, 03:57:13 PM
The Rhodes game might say something.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 15, 2007, 05:05:28 PM
Yeah, I'm pulling for Trinity as bad as the next guy, but the best wins they have are 8-2 Millsaps and 8-2 DePauw.  Not that the UMHB resume is that much stronger.  The best teams they beat are 8-2 Miss. Coll and 6-4 Hardin-Simmons.  But, they've beat everybody in such a manner that it leaves no question.  Nobody south of the Ohio River can stop them. 

Trinity got a mudhole stomped in 'em by a 6-4 football team.  The list of teams in the dance who have that kind of blemish on their record is rather short.  And none of them are favorites to win this weekend.  UMHB did have the same thing happen, but it was to the #2 team in the country. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 15, 2007, 08:27:59 PM
Also,if it wasn't for a miracle TU is 8-2 and at home this weekend. Regardless I am hoping for another TU upset but with less drama. The SCAC needs a playoff win so I will pull for TU to stop the run and Barrmore to find time to throw. Humility is very low cal just not to tasty.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 15, 2007, 09:14:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 15, 2007, 03:57:13 PM
The Rhodes game might say something.

I agree that this could be a big reason for why the Tigers are sitting where they are in the bracket. You take that game away and suddenly you have a whole different scenario. It shows how important every play is, since that game was won on big plays alone in my opinion.

sorry my boys had to be spoilers... kinda.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 16, 2007, 07:19:29 AM
Hunter, LA, Wes,,, I know how hard it is for SCAC rivals to come around to backing TU,,, but it is certainly appreciated....  I, too,,, sincerely hope that MY Tigers "represent the Miracle" that got them to Belton!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 16, 2007, 10:06:21 AM
Oh I support the tigers.... now. I hope they do represent the SCAC and show the rest of the DIII world that we deserve to be there, and that we deserved to have 2 teams there. I hope TU wins and makes a run. but it's going to be tough, and my comments only were saying that because of a bad game to Rhodes, their path is that tough instead of easier.

good luck to them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 16, 2007, 10:07:06 AM
Historymajor
Here's to hitting them in the mouth early, hard and often...Cheers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 16, 2007, 09:53:03 PM
Well, as of now we are awaiting NCAA approval to stream live video.... if they refuse,,,, we'll still endeavor to webcast audio and followup with delayed video stream when permitted....  ugh!  After all the free pub generated by the "Miracle"... now ......?????
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2007, 10:45:22 PM
Welcome to the NCAA red tape. Always better to request rights as early in the week as possible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 17, 2007, 06:21:29 AM
I'm picking Tigers by 7.  A Baer TD and a Licalzi extra point kick. 

Bonzo, need a double-reverse whammy today ... can you assist?

I like our chances at "Tiger Field" in Belton.

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2007, 07:09:38 AM
(This is a post with a somewhat ironic connection to the Trinity-Millsaps game.)

"Miracles do happen." 

That's the opening line of a story in today's Jackson paper regarding an improbable comeback by Jackson Prep over Jackson Academy.  Prep capped off an undefeated season with a win in the state championship after catching a deflected pass in the end zone with no time left on the clock, and then kicking the PAT to tie the game 10-10 and send the game into overtime.  The irony is that the Jackson Prep broadcast team is the same crew that does the Millsaps broadcast, so in the span of a few weeks they have been on both sides of "miracle" plays at the end of championship games.

As Pat well knows (and anyone else who has listened to a Millsaps broadcast), the radio team puts the home in homer when it comes to calling a game so it was bedlam when the Jackson Prep player caught the ball as time expired.  It sounded like there were about 4 Jackson Academy defenders who went for the ball and one tried to knock it down instead of catch it, and the ball went right into the arms of the Jackson Prep player.  Keeping in mind that it truly was bedlam in the reporting, I believe they said the pass was thrown over the Prep receiver and into the crowd of defenders, making it sound like the game was over if the defenders had just let the ball sail out of bounds--I may have that wrong but that's the way it was broadcast.

It just goes to point out once again that if a team can stay within one score up until the last play of the game, anything is possible.  Here's the link to the newspaper story:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071116/SPORTS06/71116047/1117
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2007, 07:19:33 AM
On a SCAC subject, let me give a weak shout out of "Go Trinity".  All of you know that I'm an advocate of pulling for Millsaps first but then I want all SCAC teams to do well in the playoffs and non-conference games.  I still feel that way, but it is hard to generate the normal support considering the "miracle" that resulted in Trinity playing today instead of Millsaps (please don't go off on the MC game tangent--we are well aware of all those ramifications).

Fortunately, I'll have a distraction today as I'll be at Millsaps taking photos of the opening games for both Millsaps basketball teams.  The women open with MS College and the men play Pensacola Christian, a team that actually led #23 ranked MS College early in the second half yesterday before falling by a double-digit margin.  Life goes on.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 17, 2007, 09:29:10 AM
Email approval to proceed with VideoStream and webcast just arrived....  now we just have to "get 'er done"

http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=trinity&o=cal_stamp (http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=trinity&o=cal_stamp)

and backup audio is:

HI SPEED: http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports-ch1-96kb.m3u (http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports-ch1-96kb.m3u)
LO SPEED: http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu_sports-ch1-36kb.m3u (http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu_sports-ch1-36kb.m3u)

111777...111707 = 30   ....  Go Tigers! 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 17, 2007, 03:17:36 PM
Tigers down 3 scores.  38-16
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 17, 2007, 04:12:37 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Season Finale)


UMHB   52          TU    23      (+$105,000 from Pontiac??)

                                          :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 17, 2007, 06:15:29 PM
Quote from: etg on November 17, 2007, 04:12:37 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Season Finale)


UMHB   52          TU    23      (+$105,000 from Pontiac??)

                                          :D

What happened?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: drinkxs.com on November 17, 2007, 07:20:51 PM
Thanks to the guys for the webstream today
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 17, 2007, 08:05:19 PM
I really wanted to watch or listen to the game, but shortly into the game, the audio stream completely disappeared.  Weird.  The video was hit and miss all game.  sometimes not there at all.  no signal. 

Belton sucks.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2007, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: Carl Menist on November 17, 2007, 06:15:29 PM

What happened?

The UHMB audio was the best bet today.  One of these days they are going to upgrade that HS stadium to get it out of the dark ages, I'm surprised that the guys were able to get any kind of video out of there today.

As to what happened - look at the relative sizes of the two teams.  Trinity could not establish a running game, which meant 60+ passes of which Blake completed 35 with only one interception for over 450 yards.  Against UMHB's speedy defense that is pretty damn good.  But ... UMHB was able to run almost at will, the one INT really hurt, and there were some critical passes that just went off the fingertips.  UMHB only turned the ball over once and with their ball-control offense if they don't turn the ball over they are virtually impossible to stop. 

There's a reason they're ranked #5.  The UW-W loss was, quite frankly, a fluke, and I say that without any disrepect to Whitewater.  I think they turned the ball over like six times and that made them drag out the passing game.  Welch is a wonderful option QB but not much of a passer and the result was what you saw.   

Hard as it is to believe, Trinity's 29-point margin was closer than anyone in the ASC played UMHB all year.  The Cru beat Hardin-Simmons by 33 in Abilene and Mississippi College by 39 in Clinton.  They REALLY are that good. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 17, 2007, 09:24:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2007, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: Carl Menist on November 17, 2007, 06:15:29 PM

What happened?

As to what happened - look at the relative sizes of the two teams.  Trinity could not establish a running game, which meant 60+ passes of which Blake completed 35 with only one interception for over 450 yards.

to be precise trinity had -45 yards on 24 carries.  Blake had all day at times to throw because the refs were not calling holding either way.  What's the old saying, you can call holding on every play, but they only saw fit to call holding once.  They also missed a very obvious too many men on the field call against UMHB on a Trinity punt.  One of the MHB players was 5 yards on the field trying to get off when the ball was snapped.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 17, 2007, 09:59:40 PM
To the Trinity fans and team,

Congratulations on a "miraculous" season.  I spoke to several Trinity fans after the game and at the BBQ place.  I know all of you were sorry for your season to end.  Just remember that only one of the 32 teams in the playoffs will not have that same feeling when the playoffs are over.

I was very impressed with the "never say die" attitude of your players.  I saw you play at AC the week before and I was a little concerned with your vertical passing attack but did not know how your QB would stand up to the relentless pressure of the UMHB defense.  I have the highest respect for Barmore after today's game!!   :o With all that pressure he stood tall in the pocket , never got rattled and through some very tough passes for 454 yards.  I disagree with mhb8904 in that I believe your offensive line did a fine job until they wore down from all the substituting of the front four that UMHB did.  If neither side gets called for holding, there is no beef.   ;)

I was also very impressed with #7, Riley Curry, as a receiver.  He ran great routes and was definitely a "go to" guy.

Tigerdad, it was nice meeting you and the other Trinity fans today.  You were all classy in defeat.

Once again congratulations because it is only from playing athletes like yours that UMHB will get better!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 17, 2007, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 17, 2007, 09:59:40 PM
I disagree with mhb8904 in that I believe your offensive line did a fine job until they wore down from all the substituting of the front four that UMHB did.  If neither side gets called for holding, there is no beef.   ;)

You don't disagree with me.  It was called pretty straight up.  They weren't calling it either way.  I'm ok with that.  I just think if the flags would have come out, he would have felt the pressure earlier.  As it was, he impressed me.  He took a beating today and kept coming back.

Oh, and sorry I didn't say hi.  I wasn't too far from you and CruAlum39.  I was going to go to schoepfs afterward, but my middle daughter got sick @ grandmas so we had to get back home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 17, 2007, 10:12:00 PM
Quote from: mhb8904 on November 17, 2007, 10:05:49 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 17, 2007, 09:59:40 PM
I disagree with mhb8904 in that I believe your offensive line did a fine job until they wore down from all the substituting of the front four that UMHB did.  If neither side gets called for holding, there is no beef.   ;)

You don't disagree with me.  It was called pretty straight up.  They weren't calling it either way.  I'm ok with that.  I just think if the flags would have come out, he would have felt the pressure earlier.  As it was, he impressed me.  He took a beating today and kept coming back.

Oh, and sorry I didn't say hi.  I wasn't too far from you and CruAlum39.  I was going to go to schoepfs afterward, but my middle daughter got sick @ grandmas so we had to get back home.

No problem, I am just glad my kids are old enough to take care of themselves :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 18, 2007, 10:24:08 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2007, 08:54:40 PM
Quote from: Carl Menist on November 17, 2007, 06:15:29 PM

What happened?

The UHMB audio was the best bet today.  One of these days they are going to upgrade that HS stadium to get it out of the dark ages, I'm surprised that the guys were able to get any kind of video out of there today.

As to what happened - look at the relative sizes of the two teams.  Trinity could not establish a running game, which meant 60+ passes of which Blake completed 35 with only one interception for over 450 yards.  Against UMHB's speedy defense that is pretty damn good.  But ... UMHB was able to run almost at will, the one INT really hurt, and there were some critical passes that just went off the fingertips.  UMHB only turned the ball over once and with their ball-control offense if they don't turn the ball over they are virtually impossible to stop. 

There's a reason they're ranked #5.  The UW-W loss was, quite frankly, a fluke, and I say that without any disrepect to Whitewater.  I think they turned the ball over like six times and that made them drag out the passing game.  Welch is a wonderful option QB but not much of a passer and the result was what you saw.   

Hard as it is to believe, Trinity's 29-point margin was closer than anyone in the ASC played UMHB all year.  The Cru beat Hardin-Simmons by 33 in Abilene and Mississippi College by 39 in Clinton.  They REALLY are that good. 

Thanks for the update Ron and for other people that added their perspective.

Sorry things didn't go better for Trinity and the SCAC--- sounds like they played hard and represented the league positively.

Thanks to Depauw for sending a message regarding the level of play in the SCAC to the NCAA and anybody taking note a couple of weeks ago up the road a Wabash.

I see allot of good things going on in the league, it is getting better. I think and the stage should be being set for an even better, more competitive season next year.

Only downside is seeing so many seniors across the league finish up their careers. We will miss them and their shoes will be hard to fill.

In the case of Millsaps, not only the seniors, but their families that made being part of the team and the fan base very special. We will miss them greatly. --- Sure the same can be said at the other schools as well.

Have a great Thanksgiving --- lots to be thankful for!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 18, 2007, 10:41:42 AM

For those ready to move on, I'll lead the way.

Next season is going to depend heavily upon Bryant Wilson.  If he has any skills at all, Trinity isn't losing any receivers and what's more, those guys are very good.  That said, as was demonstrated yesterday, effective passing can get you yards but not necessarily wins.  Defense for TU isn't the same situation.  Nine defenisive starters, guys who have played for several years and made huge plays, are gone.  Next season will also depend heavily on whether or not Trinity has been stockpiling talent behind a what has been a very, very fierce defensive group the last three years. 

As far as difference makers returning, of course Juan Joseph has to be at the top of the list.  The Majors also have a really skilled defensive line although I admit I don't know which of those guys will still be around next fall. 

DePauw had a very good year and ended with some serious momentum.  Their QB returns and I don't think Marks's graduation will hit them very hard as they didn't rely on him excessively this year.  Hopefully they can keep their head coach.  I can't believe how good they've been with all the turnover. 

Austin College is vastly improved and you never know what Centre is going to be like.  Probably good for an upset at some point but I don't see them being able to seriously challenge for the top tier.  I was very disappointed at how Rhodes finished, but maybe they can put a whole season together.  It seemed like they survived on team efforts rather than any difference makers. 

In truth, my take is based on in depth knowledge of Trinity and the trends of the conference over the last decade, but it's not really informed. 

In my opinion, Millsaps looks once again like the team to beat.  Given that DPU and Millsaps have to go to San Antonio, that makes the race quite interesting once again. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 18, 2007, 07:18:34 PM
I"m going to ask a question, very innocent, but I'm sure someone from somewhere is going to jump my case a bit. 

Is there a disparity in terms of competition between the ASC and the SCAC?  Where I'm going with this, is the level of talent in the ASC or at UMHB itself, related to the level of admission standards?

I think there is perception that the SCAC schools are a bit more selective in who they let in.  Is this true? 

I think it was the coach at Texas Lutheran that was telling me that UMHB has about 100+ new faces show up each August for football.  They apparently bring in huge numbers of freshman each year and hand pick the best.  I have no way of knowing if this is true, but I don't see any reason why Coach Parker would tell me anything that wasn't accurate.  He seems like a real stand up guy. 

So, all that being said, if (and that's a huge IF) if the SCAC has higher admission standards, will any SCAC team ever be able to compete toe to toe with the likes of what appears to be a very dominant UMHB team or other future ASC power? 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2007, 08:10:55 PM
I think that the players that UMHB brings in are those who want to go to a winner.

Trinity has seen significant erosion in its recruiting base, but I also think that this is a demographic shift of football players going to UMHB, and they have 150-200 players in the program.

St John's MN has a similar situation, and may have a stronger academic reputation than UMHB, if you go with the US News & World Report rankings.

St John's MN is #75 in National Liberal Arts Colleges (#59 Southwestern, #71 Hendrix, #75 Austin College, #75 BSC, #87 Millsaps).

I would rank the ASC-SCAC this way:

--UMHB
--Trinity
--HSU-Miss Coll- Millsaps
--DPU
--ETBU/LaColl/SRSU
--Centre/Rhodes
--Texas Lutheran/McMurry/HPU/AC/BSC
--Colorado College/ Sewanee
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 18, 2007, 08:22:18 PM
And I'll do my best to answer them.

Quote from: Tex on November 18, 2007, 07:18:34 PM
Is there a disparity in terms of competition between the ASC and the SCAC?  Where I'm going with this, is the level of talent in the ASC or at UMHB itself, related to the level of admission standards?

I'd say probably some.  Although I don't think that's an issue for teams in the north of this conference (Rhodes, Centre, DePauw).  They aren't recruiting against ASC teams.  Heck, they really aren't even recruiting the same kind of athletes to play the same kind of football.  It probably is a problem for TU and Millsaps more than anyone else.  They are in direct recruiting competition with ASC schools.  Now, if you want to make the argument that recruiting in Texas gives you a distinct advantage, that's a different animal entirely.

Quote from: Tex on November 18, 2007, 07:18:34 PM
So, all that being said, if (and that's a huge IF) if the SCAC has higher admission standards, will any SCAC team ever be able to compete toe to toe with the likes of what appears to be a very dominant UMHB team or other future ASC power? 

You know, Tex, the thing is, even as good as UMHB has been, the ASC is down compared to most years.  Hardin-Simmons goes to the dance almost every year, too.  They played a murderous schedule.  On top of that schedule, they suddenly decided against playing pass defense.  They're usually good for 9-1 or 8-2, depending on the outcome of the UMHB game.  They've played some tougher teams in the past two or three years and have seen a couple more 8-2 campaigns.

Here's my thoughts on it.  Can anybody in our conference play with the best team in the ASC year in and year out?  Nope.  Saturday proved that fact.  I don't think anybody ever debated that this season.  We haven't had anybody close to Mary Hardin-Baylor at any point.

The Trinity from early in this decade could play with anybody, but they aren't as good as they were then.  Now, past that, how do the rest of the conference matchups pan out?  Can HSU actually defend Millsaps?  How would DPU play against Mississippi?  Rhodes and ETBU?  Centre and LC?  An interesting thought, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 18, 2007, 09:23:01 PM
As a UMHB homer I'll say that if you had asked this question when I started school in the late 80's if you had a pulse, a diploma or GED, and a FAFSA you were in.  I think the SAT minimum when I started was 750.  That has changed dramatically through the tenure of Dr. Bawcom.  Is UMHB Ivy League caliber, no, but you can get a fine education and I have many friends that have gone on to Masters and Doctoral work after graduating.  Keep in mind that UMHB has only been fully coed since the early 70's and for many years was more of a commuter school that many GI's used to continue their education.  In that situation, more "flexible" standards for admission were important.  As the school has grown into more of a what I'd consider a true university, the academic level seems to have gone up across the board. 

As to the big influx of players every year, there are a few things that should be considered... Belton is centrally located...1 hr to Austin (big +) and Waco, 2 hrs to DFW, 3 hrs to Houston & Abilene, about 4 to Corpus (the 1 hr to Austin is the biggie for all the others as well). There is some really good football played in UMHB's backyard.  Consider Thrasher and Daniels are both local boys, Josh Welch graduated 30 minutes away, Jarrell Freeman is from 45 miles up the road... the list can continue from past teams to include towns other small local towns in the area.  Campus is beautiful.  And most importantly, they now have a tradition of winning, and people like to go to a winner, especially if they can keep a proximity to home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2007, 10:07:23 PM
A couple of quick points.  I think I might argue that Millsaps should be 2nd on Ralph's list but I understand why he has Trinity at the second spot.  I know that with Millsaps the verdict is still out on whether they have simply had two good years or is this the start of something bigger.

And the second point gets to something Wes said.  Coach DuBose says he only has two goals each year--win the SCAC and then win the national championship.  With just one full year of recruiting and only two years as head coach, he should not be close to that second goal and he isn't at the moment.  So while Wes is correct about no SCAC team matching up with UMHB at the moment, there is the possibility that Millsaps might reach that level in the near future. 

If that's to happen, it will be because DuBose is able to recruit the higher level recruits, the guys who could walk on at a D1 school and maybe have a chance of playing, or the guys transferring from a D1 school to a place where they can start and win championships.  That's a big if and some may even call it a longshot, but I have no trouble seeing it happen if DuBose chooses to stay at Millsaps and build a program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2007, 10:14:56 PM
If one wants to answer the "admissions standards" question, USN&WR is a logical starting point:

St John's (MN):  3.6 avg HS GPA, 89% from top half of HS class, 1075-1325 SAT/23-27 ACT *

DePauw (IN):  3.6 avg HS GPA, 99% from top half of HS class, 1130-1320 SAT/25-29 ACT
Millsaps (MS):  3.5 avg HS GPA, 90% from top half of HS class, 1040-1300 SAT/23-29 ACT
Trinity (TX):  3.5 avg HS GPA, 97% from top half of HS class, 1190-1370 SAT/26-31 ACT

Hardin-Simmons:  3.6 avg HS GPA, 77% from top half of HS class, 890-1130 SAT/19-24 ACT
Mississippi College:  3.4 avg HS GPA, 84% from top half of HS class, 1005-1225 SAT/20-26 ACT
Texas Lutheran:  3.5 avg HS GPA, 84% from top half of HS class, 900-1150 SAT/19-24 ACT
UMHB:  ? avg HS GPA, 79% from top half of HS class, 950-1160 SAT/20-25 SAT

But there's nobody asking Jeopardy questions on the football field.  Fredenburg is a helluva coach and brings in players that can be successful in the program there.   It could be argued that he has a larger pool to choose from than the SCAC schools do but he's working with similar academic profiles compared to peer ASC schools - and kicking the butts of everyone in both conferences. 

* - all SAT/ACT scores are 25-75th percentile
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on November 18, 2007, 10:57:52 PM
Quote from: Carl Menist on November 18, 2007, 10:24:08 AM
Only downside is seeing so many seniors across the league finish up their careers.

"Seniors?"  What the hell are "seniors?!!!"  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 19, 2007, 10:29:01 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2007, 10:14:56 PM
But there's nobody asking Jeopardy questions on the football field. 

That's funny as hell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 19, 2007, 10:31:59 AM
Another factor might be the cost of a year's education at various schools?

Trinity is about $35k a year.
Texas Lutheran is about $25k a year. 

Let's say both schools offer a $10K academic scholarship.  Mom and Dad might really have Jr take a close look at the school that saves them $10k a year. 

What's the average cost for a year at UMHB or Hardin-Simmons?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 19, 2007, 10:47:48 AM
I'm not sure now.  My last 2 years at UMHB were 5-6k/semester for tuition, but tuition has increased every year since.  HSU is a little different, I've received full tuition scholarships for both Master's degree programs so I don't pay nearly as much attention, but HSU freezes tuition upon matriculation.  What you start at day 1 as a freshman remains your tuition as long as you continuously attend. So if you get a masters following a Bachelor's your tuition is the same as long as you don't take a semester off.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on November 20, 2007, 01:25:05 PM
SCAC announces 2007 All-Conference Football Team
November 20, 2007

http://www.scac-online.org/football/07all-scac.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 21, 2007, 12:48:36 AM
I'm not trying to start a fight, let me just say that first.  ;D

But... the pick for SCAC Defensive POTY is a little frustrating to me. Desmond Hendricks in my opinion should be without a doubt (or a tie) the D-POTY hands down. He leads the conference in tackles for loss and sacks this season, and ranked in the top 16 in each of those categories nationally. His stats are in the top in almost every defensive category possible for the conference. I don't understand the tie...

For contrasting purposes:
                                 Hendricks                       Casey Younger (co D-POTY)
sacks                            10.5                                       7
TFL                                19                                        11
solo tackels                     44                                        23
assisted tackles               25                                        22
total tackles                    69                                        45

Hendricks also has 2 FF and 3 FR on the season, one for a TD.

These are the stats taken directly from the SCAC release for the voting. Hendricks leads in all categories, and the one that jumps out the most is the comparison in total tackles. Younger had 45 total, Hendricks had 44 SOLO! That's a big comparison in my mind.

Like I said, I'm not trying to start a fight, but this is a little frustrating that a player can be snubbed (for lack of a better word) because his team does not succeed even though he has obviously done his best and been successful at playing this season.

I'm asking for other opinions politely, and apologize in advance if this rubs the wrong way for some people. Just a little frustrated and surprised.

Congrats to the rest of the players voted to All-SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2007, 08:33:27 AM
Hunter--The numbers certainly support your argument and I remember Desmond Hendricks making some big plays against Millsaps.  On the flip side, sometimes the numbers don't tell the entire story.

For Younger, he was sharing tackles with a lot of very good teammates.  All of the numbers for the Millsaps players were down as they had more depth and the stats were spread out amongst more players.  Also, in many games Millsaps started subbing the starters out early because of the game score and I suspect that Desmond played to the end of virtually every game.   That certainly would make a difference in the overall stats.

In my opinion, they both are great players and I remember that Adam Hay was in a ton of photos that I took when Millsaps played Centre.  In all the SCAC sports I would find it just about impossible to pick an all-SCAC team because there is so much talent and us fans don't get to see any of the other teams more than once or not at all.

The one thing that I thought was interesting was Coach Mohr with the Coach of the Year award and Coach DuBose with no votes.  I totally understand that voting pattern, but if Millsaps had left Trinity with time for one final play and the miracle play had not happened, would DuBose have been voted Coach of the Year for his second straight undefeated SCAC season?  I think he would have which shows the fine line in some of this voting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 11:03:32 AM
Or maybe they thought he'd made a bad coaching decision earlier in the season. Not to bring it up again, but it could've been a factor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 21, 2007, 11:25:05 AM
Hunter
I agree with Frank on this one. Desmond had a great year for Rhodes and should be recognized for his singular effort in my opinion. He had a POW award the week before the Millsaps game to have a subpar game in Jackson that week. That was my only look at him this year. He was very effective in 06 in Memphis and I am sure he will be ready to roll next year.
Casey was the difference maker with the SCAC leading defense and deserves all of the honors he gets. The Millsaps D was tough all year and their stats include 2nd,3rd and 4th team players that got lots of time on the field. Casey led the defense that led the SCAC and was conference Co-Champs. Not be be offensive to you or Desmond but I am glad the coaches recognized Casey's incredible effort, leadership and value to the Majors.
Both represent the SCAC and their teams well.
Pat, we don't know if that played into that vote nor should it take away anything from Coach Mohr. I have said that week 1 could come back to haunt us and it did. Millsaps has a very good team and at 8-2, to some extent, underacheived. I am looking forward to 08 and an improved SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 21, 2007, 12:27:25 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 11:03:32 AM
Or maybe they thought he'd made a bad coaching decision earlier in the season. Not to bring it up again, but it could've been a factor.

I think that's a fair point.  And it's a point that I would be forced to weigh with a great deal of care if I were casting a vote on Coach of the Year.  In fact, I would be probably consider it even if the Trinity game went the other way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2007, 12:33:22 PM
I consider Coach of the Year on the winner of the TU-Saps game.

Coach DuBose is building a program, and the team goes thru the SCAC undefeated.

Coach Mohr rolls into Jackson needing win for a share of the title and a playoff berth, and pulls it off.

A high stakes game!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2007, 12:38:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 11:03:32 AM
Or maybe they thought he'd made a bad coaching decision earlier in the season. Not to bring it up again, but it could've been a factor.

I agree that it is a fair point and I definitely think it was considered in the voting in that DuBose got no votes.  And I don't know if Wes is right or not, but I could see some people not voting for DuBose even if he had won the Trinity game and had finished 9-1 instead of 10-0.

But, I do think that DuBose would have gotten the coach of the year if Millsaps had won the Trinity game because that would have put Millsaps as the league champions by a 2-game margin, it would have left Millsaps undefeated in the SCAC under DuBose, and it would have minimized the effects of losing that first game of the season since Millsaps would have been in the playoffs and in the top 10-20 in the rankings.

Don't anyone get me wrong and think that I'm saying DuBose should have won this season given the final results of the season.  I'm just saying that I think the miracle play by itself kept him from winning the award.  To be honest, I thought that play was going to swing the offensive player of the year from Juan Joseph to Blake Barmore even though it was just one play out of hundreds--such is the difference between winning and losing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 21, 2007, 01:12:02 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2007, 12:38:12 PM
I agree that it is a fair point and I definitely think it was considered in the voting in that DuBose got no votes.  And I don't know if Wes is right or not, but I could see some people not voting for DuBose even if he had won the Trinity game and had finished 9-1 instead of 10-0.

Just for the sake of being clear, I'm not saying that I wouldn't vote for DuBose.  You could make a great case for either candidate.

I dunno who I'd vote for if I had the choice.  I'd certainly have to give it some thought.  My point was that the first game of the year would have to be seriously considered in my decision marking process.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2007, 02:31:16 PM
Wes, I took your post as just a valid point being made, and I agree that it is a very valid point.  As it turned out, with Trinity finishing 9-1 and winning on the road at Millsaps, and Millsaps finishing 8-2 and losing at home to Trinity, the choice of Coach Mohr as COY was fairly simple. 

From a Millsaps point of view, I think the most interesting vote was Marcus Harris dropping from 1st team SCAC in 2006 to HM in 2007.  I believe he was the victim of his own success and his dropoff in numbers this year was simply because he played too well last year--you can't pick off or break up many passes if the opposing team is afraid to throw it your way.  I don't have any stats on how many balls were thown in his direction but I don't remember many times when his man caught a pass.

(And with that being said, I realize that post season honors are heavily based on stats so I'm not surprised that Marcus fell out of his 1st team SCAC rating--I'm just glad he'll be roaming the Millsaps defensive backfield for another year.)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on November 21, 2007, 03:02:15 PM
Since several BSC players were honored, I will assume that Joey Jones was eligible for Coach of the Year.  If he had pulled off a couple of those close games with Rhodes, Centre, DePauw, and Colorado College with essentially a freshman team, do you think he would have gotten some votes?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on November 21, 2007, 03:33:04 PM
QuoteIf he had pulled off a couple of those close games with Rhodes, Centre, DePauw, and Colorado College with essentially a freshman team, do you think he would have gotten some votes?

If my aunt had ba**s, she'd be my uncle.  ;)

But seriously---kudos to Joey Jones, his staff, etc...I know it's been said before, but I think BSC is goingto be a force to reckon with and soon.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorAlum80 on November 21, 2007, 04:01:59 PM
I think some guys have hit on a few points about the Hendricks/Younger debate.

You also have to remember that you cannot compare stats for a DT and LB.  A linebacker has many, many more chances to make tackles.  There's no comparing Hendricks' and Younger's stats but in terms of who played their position the best, I think you could say they were fairly equal. 

If anyone has a gripe about that award, it is Hay from Centre.  If you didn't get to see him play this year, you missed out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 21, 2007, 07:53:10 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2007, 02:31:16 PM
(And with that being said, I realize that post season honors are heavily based on stats so I'm not surprised that Marcus fell out of his 1st team SCAC rating--I'm just glad he'll be roaming the Millsaps defensive backfield for another year.)

You think this is the case? I don't get that impression so much with all-conference teams. Weekly honor roll, sure. But coaches watch several games of each team in person and on tape. I would think they know who plays well regardless of their stats.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on November 21, 2007, 09:23:37 PM
Quote from: MajorAlum80 on November 21, 2007, 04:01:59 PM
I think some guys have hit on a few points about the Hendricks/Younger debate.

You also have to remember that you cannot compare stats for a DT and LB.  A linebacker has many, many more chances to make tackles.  There's no comparing Hendricks' and Younger's stats but in terms of who played their position the best, I think you could say they were fairly equal. 

If anyone has a gripe about that award, it is Hay from Centre.  If you didn't get to see him play this year, you missed out.

well I knew that the retaliations would come from Mississippi, and everything that was said, i agree with. You can't compare stats on an even keel between a DT and LB. Younger probably didn't play all of every game due to being subbed out either for depth reasons, or preserving the starters in a big lead (not a reference to the beginning of the season). I agree that Younger had a great season with a great team D and it's a shame how the playoffs turned out.

My issue is that when you talk about the difference makers and leaders and big play makers etc., I can't come up with another name on defense that comes close to Hendricks. Even if you say that a LB has more chances for tackes, either solo or assisted, you can then look at TFL and sacks, where a DL have the most opportunity because they don't have to drop into coverage nearly as much as a LB. And Hendricks still shows up more in the stats in those categories while having "less" chances. As an outside LB, those TFL are coming from reading the play, getting into the backfield and stopping the run in the open field. It's done by out hustling the RB to the sideline and not giving up yardage, by getting off the block by a tackle or TE when you're not trying to get off blocks every play. I think it's harder for a LB to get the TFL and sacks that Hendricks did. Having watching him play, his effort was never questioned, often chasing down RB or WR from behind and never giving up on a play. His strength to get in with the big guys and fight through just like they do, and still come out on top more often.

I know the question is whether Younger would have done the same if he had more chances, and we don't know. I don't know, nobody knows. But in the chances that were given, which seems to be the theme of the season, who was better on the field? Who never quit on a play? Who made big plays? In my opinion, whether slightly biased or not, Hendricks did that more so than any other player this year.

Give credit where it's due, and award both players (and Hay as well, I don't want to leave him out) with 1st Team, but as far as POTY awards, I think it's a cop out to award a tie. Two players both deserve first team, great. Give it to them. But as for the "Player of the Year" it should be one, and I think it should have been Hendricks.

p.s. I really hate being the only Rhodes supporter here... I gotta work on that.  :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2007, 02:22:55 PM
A thought or two on the coach of the year debate after being away from the house and basically sans computer during that time.

When you're the coach of the preseason favorite, about the only way to win the COTY is to win in dominating fashion.  Failure to do that opens up the ballot to anyone else.  As we all know, Millsaps dominated SCAC competition, with the exception of Trinity.  Then there's the matter of Millsaps having the consensus offensive POTY (Joseph), the co-DPOY (Younger) and the special teams POTY (Millazo).   Trinity managed to defeat Millsaps even so, and given the Majors' arguably superior talent the difference had to come from coaching.   

You can go back to what Dennis Parker, Texas Lutheran's head coach, had to say after Trinity beat them earlier in the season.  Paraphrasing, it was along the lines of "Trinity doesn't have the greatest athletes, but Mohr gets the most out of them."  Given the losses on the defensive side of the ball and at QB/RB, Mohr will have to do an even better job next season given what Millsaps brings back.

And, on another note:  good luck to the Trinity men, who play Middlebury later today in the Division III soccer finals.  They defeated the three-time defending champions, Messiah, 1-0 in yesterday's semis.  Messiah is kind of the Mt Union of D3 soccer ;-) with five of the last seven championships. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 25, 2007, 08:19:48 AM
Ron, you'll get no argument from me that Mohr should be coach of the year and the only reason I brought up the subject is because of a point you made in your post.  Namely, "When you're the coach of the preseason favorite, about the only way to win the COTY is to win in dominating fashion.", and I think that would have been the case if Millsaps had won over Trinity to go to 8-0 while 2nd place in the SCAC fell to 6-2. 

I saw the Trinity soccer team play this season and they were tremendous--I'm sorry to see that they lost in penalty kicks after a scoreless game.  I played/coached soccer for over 20 years and the sport has a lot of positives, but deciding a national championship on PKs is like deciding a basketball championship with a free throw contest.  I know it would completely wipe out all existing offensive records, but I think soccer needs to expand the goal size from 8' x 24' to something like 9' x 27'.  When you get big adult athletes playing on the same size goals as 12 year olds, it's no wonder no one can score against a defensive minded team (which describes every soccer team).

Last tidbit as I move from football to basketball:  On Friday ABC did one of those "wacky moments from 2007" during one of their halftime shows.  Naturally the "Miracle in Mississippi" was prominently featured.  I think they used the phrase "the Millsaps and Trinity game" three times but they never mentioned who won the game.  I've said all along that in a short time the negative impact of the play (not getting into the playoffs) would soon be overshadowed in the big picture by the boost in name recognition for Millsaps.  Without a doubt, Millsaps and Trinity will be the most talked about D3 football teams this season regardless of who wins the D3 National title and I think that will pay off in more doors being opened to recruits. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2007, 11:13:00 PM
The 2007 Aztec Bowl Roster (http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?SPSID=67754&SPID=7653&DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1327566) has been released.

Congratulations to Centre DB Tyler Moody, Colorado College TE Nolan Swett and Trinity DL Baron Koch for their selection.  DePauw DB Jevon Pruitt is an alternate and will play if both Bethel and Central (IA) win this weekend. 

Remember that all players selected to play in the Stagg Aztec Bowl are seniors.

oops - thanks to TigerDad for the correction.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 01, 2007, 01:10:49 AM
The voting has opened for the ESPN "Pontiac Game Changing Play of the Year" and the Trinity "Miracle in Mississippi" is the only non-D1 play in the hunt.  Go to http://www.pontiac.com/ncaa to vote ... each week until the winner is selected January 7.  They kick off three teams each week until four finalists are announced on Dec 20. 

One voter will also receive a $15K scholarship to be used by themselves or a family member.  Vote often and vote D3!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhbalum on December 01, 2007, 11:54:45 AM
I just added my vote for the Trinity game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 01, 2007, 12:36:08 PM
Quote from: umhbalum on December 01, 2007, 11:54:45 AM
I just added my vote for the Trinity game.

+1 umhbalum.   :)

Maybe I should offer +1k to anyone who votes  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on December 01, 2007, 02:55:30 PM
I voted for Trinity Ron.  Having a D3 win would be perfect.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: k-hud on December 01, 2007, 03:13:50 PM
ditto
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on December 01, 2007, 03:17:20 PM
Ron,

I was up last night when you posted the link.  I did it right away so I would not forget. ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on December 01, 2007, 05:15:47 PM
To note here as well...

FINAL from Texas Stadium

Abilene High          22
Southlake Carroll   21
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 01, 2007, 05:17:10 PM
I am at a rehearsal... +1 to all late tonight :) thanks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2007, 05:29:22 PM
I have voted!

Vote early, vote often!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 02, 2007, 12:14:10 AM
+1s to all.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on December 02, 2007, 01:45:54 PM
I voted with multiple email addresses!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 02, 2007, 06:45:04 PM
I voted from my cell phone too.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 04, 2007, 09:23:11 PM
Use the link below to vote for Trinity for the 2007 Pontiac Game Changing Performance ...

http://mobileapp.espn.go.com/wireless/espn/redesign/affiliateSponsorPontiacGC?markupType=XHTML&src=featured&cId=null

Just visit the page above and click on Trinity!!!

It looks like you can vote as many times as you wish using this "Mobile Phone" web-browser link ... No user ID or sign-in is required!  Just click "Back" and then vote for Trinity again!!!

Vote EARLY and OFTEN!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 06, 2007, 12:30:50 PM
Surprised nobody posted this earlier - from "afca" in the Aztec Bowl Roster thread in General Football:

Roster is now final. The team arrived in Chihuahua on Sunday and held its first practices today.

Matt Bielecki (Rochester-RB), Tom Brew (Case Western- LB) and Jevon Pruitt (DePauw-DB) have replaced Justin Beaver (Wis.-Whitewater), Jerrell Freeman (UMHB) and Brandon Carr (Bethel).


So the SCAC ended up with four players on the team this year.  Congrats to all!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 07, 2007, 12:57:58 PM
Today let us remember our Soldiers and Sailors who lost their lives at Pearl Harbor and those who survived the attack in our prayers and thoughts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 08, 2007, 09:42:12 PM
My guess is that HunterT has not seen the D3Football All-South Region team which can be found at this link:

http://www.d3football.com/all-region/2007_d3football_all-south_region.pdf

Congratulations to the SCAC players who made the list (I hope I didn't leave anyone out):

First Team All-South Region:
Casey Younger, Sr, DT from Millsaps
Adam Hay, Jr, LB from Centre

Second Team All-South Region:
Riley Curry, Jr, WR, Trinity
Baron Koch, Sr, DT, Trinity
Jevon Pruitt, Sr, CB, DePauw
Ray Kline, Sr, S, Millsaps

Third Team All-South Region:
Wade Lytal, Jr, T, Trinity
Kerry Pappas, Sr, G, DePauw
John Shivers, So, G, Millsaps
Tyler Moody, Sr, S, Centre
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 09, 2007, 11:37:26 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on December 04, 2007, 09:23:11 PM
Use the link below to vote for Trinity for the 2007 Pontiac Game Changing Performance ...

http://mobileapp.espn.go.com/wireless/espn/redesign/affiliateSponsorPontiacGC?markupType=XHTML&src=featured&cId=null

Just visit the page above and click on Trinity!!!

It looks like you can vote as many times as you wish using this "Mobile Phone" web-browser link ... No user ID or sign-in is required!  Just click "Back" and then vote for Trinity again!!!

Vote EARLY and OFTEN!

Trinity made the week one cut ... time to vote again.    ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2007, 12:17:22 AM
Vote early, vote often!!!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on December 10, 2007, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2007, 12:17:22 AM
Vote early, vote often!!!  ;)

Is this Chicago or Jersey City?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2007, 11:04:12 AM
Quote from: Knightstalker on December 10, 2007, 10:43:57 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 10, 2007, 12:17:22 AM
Vote early, vote often!!!  ;)

Is this Chicago or Jersey City?
No, but those are both good D-3 schools, Chicago and Jersey City State?

:D ;D :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on December 12, 2007, 12:39:34 AM
My son and his buddy were notified today they've been accepted into Trinity.  His buddy has committed 100% and will be playing D-line.  These two started playing ball together in 5th grade.  It's good news for both families.  Both were 1st Team All District this season in Texas 13-5A. 

Figure I might be a regular poster here for another 4 years if my son decides to commit.  He's got a few other irons in the fire but Trinity is his only D-3 choice. 

I'm looking forward to the Stagg bowl on Saturday.  I've really enjoyed watching the D-2 action this past weekend and look forward to watching their championship game as well on Saturday.  There's some good football being played on Saturday.    DVR time!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on December 12, 2007, 07:43:54 AM
Tex,

Your son has a great and difficult choice ahead of him.  TU is a fine school; unique in its combination of winning athletics (across the board) and superlative academics.  You've done well.

Best, Tom
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 12, 2007, 10:44:31 AM
Trinity fans---
Anyone want to provide an '08 outlook? Barmore was a quality QB and I know will be a loss...how are things shaping up for next year?
Thanks for any insights....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 12, 2007, 11:29:56 AM
The latest note on the play that keeps on going, Time magazine has named the lateral play as their top sports moment of the year.  While I know that some Millsaps fans would like all mention of the play to go away, I see the silver lining growing thicker and thicker all the time as Millsaps continues to get national name recognition every time the play gets mentioned.

While it's a little early to think about team strengths for the 2008 season, I feel certain that Millsaps will be stronger in 2008.  This is the first year that I can remember that they lost a large and talented group of seniors instead of just a handful of key players, but a lot of key players return and a lot of backups got experience this year.  The offense returns most of their key players and the defense will have some holes to fill.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 12, 2007, 12:35:43 PM
QuoteThis is the first year that I can remember that they lost a large and talented group of seniors instead of just a handful of key players, but a lot of key players return and a lot of backups got experience this year.  The offense returns most of their key players and the defense will have some holes to fill.

Frank---not sure I follow you on this one...you're saying Millsaps has lost alot of talent instead of a few key players...but yet have alot of key players returning??? Not trying to be difficult...just looking for clarification...offense returns alot (Joseph of course), but defense has holes to fill?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 12, 2007, 04:51:58 PM
I agree with you that it was written poorly.  I'll try again:

--Millsaps did lose a lot of talent in this senior class, an oddity at Millsaps because in the past they often didn't have a lot of guys get all the way to their senior year.  The bulk of that talent lost was on the defensive side of the ball.

--However, Millsaps in 2007 was a team with far more talent and depth than the typical Millsaps team of the past.  On the offensive side of the ball they return a lot, starting with Juan Joseph and a strong group of receivers.  I think they have guys already on campus who will fill in well for the graduating players and I'm sure they will bring in some recruits who can help right away.

--The defense is a bigger question mark, but they have a good core group returning and a lot of guys who played snaps during key portions of games this year as backups.  There was a big recruiting class last year that will be a year older and stronger and I think they will fit in the Millsaps defensive system very well.

I guess what I see at Millsaps is that they truly are building a program that maybe others SCAC schools have had, but it's like nothing I can remember at Millsaps.  They had over 100 players at the end of last season.  They had a JV team for the first time last season.  I'm sure they will bring in a large recruiting class this year and I suspect it will be strong, a reflection of two straight SCAC championship seasons under DuBose.  It's just my gut feeling that Millsaps is becoming a program that will be stronger from one year to the next until they actually are a factor in the national playoff hunt.  Time will tell.

I don't know if that's more clear or simply a longer version of confusion, but like I said earlier, it probably doesn't matter either way since it is really early to be talking about 2008.  I'll keep my mind on basketball and then the spring sports before wondering about Millsaps football again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 12, 2007, 05:06:30 PM
And while I'm logged in, let me apologize to whoever I offended to the point that they feel like they have to gradually pick away at my karma.  I'm not sure if we disagreed on something and you feel like karma is given or taken based on people agreeing with you, or if I said something that was taken the wrong way. Either way, while not apologizing for my opinions, it's never my intent to hurt someone's feeling to the point that they feel a need to retaliate to make themselves feel better.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on December 12, 2007, 05:28:36 PM
bossman...i can't add no karma  nor detract any, for that matter....so it wern't me... besides i do not believe karma exists...except on this board

as for millsaps.... i can't stand yalls coach.... met him once...and that opinion will always prevail with this fat boy... but... he WILL build yalls program to b one of the most  elite in D-3 football... especially in the south.... he can recruit... and and he CAN coach.... as, i pray, he ages...he will think before he jumps and speaks (as i hope we all do) ..........

i mean this is in no way disrepectfully to trinity, depauw, b'southern (in the near future)..and the rest of yall.... but i expect him/millsaps to b dominate in the scac for a while.... barring some self created melt down

good luck to all yall in the scac, have a merry Christmas, Hanukkah, Kwanzaa, and New Year...and Keep the Faith..and hopefully auburn will crush clemsun...and bamma just loses
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 12, 2007, 05:29:17 PM
QuoteI guess what I see at Millsaps is that they truly are building a program that maybe others SCAC schools have had, but it's like nothing I can remember at Millsaps.  They had over 100 players at the end of last season.  They had a JV team for the first time last season.  I'm sure they will bring in a large recruiting class this year and I suspect it will be strong, a reflection of two straight SCAC championship seasons under DuBose.  It's just my gut feeling that Millsaps is becoming a program that will be stronger from one year to the next until they actually are a factor in the national playoff hunt.  Time will tell.

I don't know if that's more clear or simply a longer version of confusion, but like I said earlier, it probably doesn't matter either way since it is really early to be talking about 2008.  I'll keep my mind on basketball and then the spring sports before wondering about Millsaps football again.  

good perspective at this extremely early stage, thanks...BTW, I wish we could have seen Millsaps in the playoffs...thought they had a strong team this season.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 12, 2007, 05:51:24 PM

Trinity defense graduates 9 starters.  Not only starters, but guys who have made huge plays for 3 straight years.  It's either reload or rebuild, and I don't know enough about the depth to be able to say what they'll do.

Offense is the opposite.  Most of the key players return.  If Bryant Wilson has any skill at all, the Tigers should score a lot once again this year.  That is a huge if.  There's no way for anyone to know how he'll be.  The run blocking has to improve though. 

Depauw and Millsaps travel to San Antonio this year.  I'm not a big believer in homefield advantage, but Trinity's conference record there is the stuff of legend. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 12, 2007, 09:34:45 PM
Thanks for the perspective TU....I'm sure the Trinity Tigers will be ready to play next season...and will be especially tough at home. DPU will be there 10/18....will temp be below 100 by then?  ;)

is Bryant Wilson the QB?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on December 12, 2007, 10:12:06 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 12, 2007, 09:34:45 PM
Thanks for the perspective TU....I'm sure the Trinity Tigers will be ready to play next season...and will be especially tough at home. DPU will be there 10/18....will temp be below 100 by then?  ;)

is Bryant Wilson the QB?

October texas weather...  you just never know.  I've seen years where the kids were sweating to death while trick or treating.  I've seen years where they froze their butts off.  :)

Someone ask Al Gore.  He'll know.  j/k

This year, October was quite the warm weather month around these parts. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on December 12, 2007, 10:16:26 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on December 12, 2007, 11:29:56 AM
The latest note on the play that keeps on going, Time magazine has named the lateral play as their top sports moment of the year.  While I know that some Millsaps fans would like all mention of the play to go away, I see the silver lining growing thicker and thicker all the time as Millsaps continues to get national name recognition every time the play gets mentioned.



Agreed, both schools get some national recognition.  Sad that it takes a freak play to get some love for D-3 on a national basis.  I've now seen a small but good chunk of D-3 football this year for the first time.  I'm your typical football fan.  Solely focused on D-1A for years and years.  (Hey, it's what's on TV and I love watching football)  Now that my son is likely to play lower classification, I've taken more notice.  What's going to be funny is when he maybe hits another growth spurt and some of those D-1 programs that told him he was 2 inches too short come back around.  I'm hoping that happens.  Nice bonus for the D-3 coach if/when a kid hits a growth spurt in college.  :)

Football appears to be football, no matter the classification. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 13, 2007, 07:05:11 AM
QuoteOctober texas weather...  you just never know.  I've seen years where the kids were sweating to death while trick or treating.  I've seen years where they froze their butts off. 

Someone ask Al Gore.  He'll know.  j/k

This year, October was quite the warm weather month around these parts. 

San Antonio, Birmingham, Sewannee, Memphis....the SCAC definitely has some "hot spots"... I think the temp "on the mountain" at sewannee this year was in the low '90's...with humidity off the charts...can present some challenges for us "northerners"  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on December 13, 2007, 01:04:24 PM
Austin College alumnus/former letterman named Head Coach at DI Southern Mississippi:

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1347&ItemID=5325
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on December 13, 2007, 03:52:43 PM
Josh
That is great news for AC and a big plug for all D3 athletes and coaches. These D3 coaches don't get enough credit for their commitment to their profession and players.
Hats off to Larry and AC.
Congrats!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2007, 03:59:49 PM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on December 13, 2007, 01:04:24 PM
Austin College alumnus/former letterman named Head Coach at DI Southern Mississippi:

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1347&ItemID=5325
I seemed to have crashed the server!   :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 13, 2007, 07:46:37 PM
Congratulations to DePauw offensive guard Kerry Pappas and DB Jevon Pruit for being recognized on the D3football.com All South Region Team.

Pruit was a second team selection; Pappas was on the third team offense. Both made first team All SCAC, Pappas for the third straight year...two solid football players who had great college careers.




Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2007, 10:47:28 PM
ESPN has apparently made an early cut in in the Pontiac Game Changing Play.  Trinity is in the final seven, along with Appalachian State, Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, LSU, and Mississippi State.  Yes, the SEC dominates the list; LSU actually had three plays when this started.   

Interestingly, if you use the vote site that requires an e-mail address and voted earlier in the week, you can't vote again until the 16th.  Makes me wonder if they made an oops. 

Anyway, please keep on votin' D3 at

https://r.espn.go.com/espn/contests/07GameChangingPerformance/index?cmp=ncaavanurl

or (preferably since you can vote more than once per week).

http://mobileapp.espn.go.com/wireless/espn/redesign/affiliateSponsorPontiacGC?markupType=XHTML&src=featured&cId=null


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on December 15, 2007, 03:43:17 AM
Whitewater...please?.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 15, 2007, 11:49:49 AM

Anyone have information or simply perspective on the future of the SCAC regarding football?

As a DePauw fan I like the schools in league in terms of academic quality, competitiveness, style of play and also the experiences the widespread geographic locations offer (for both student/athletes and parents). Do you see further expansion? At least one more to get to an even 10? If so, what schools might be considered?

Thanks for any insight you might be able to offer. 
   

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 15, 2007, 12:00:12 PM
The SCAC had, several years ago, expressed a goal to get to 12 schools total.  I don't see them adding any more now that B-SC has joined to make 12.  So, any growth in football would have to come from the schools that don't play football now.


The thing about ten teams, as the ASC has discovered, is that it takes away the ability to play teams outside the conference and limits flexiblity.   But if Hendrix decides to start a program, everyone will have to deal with that fact.  DePauw will only face Wabash, Millsaps will probably play Miss College, Trinity will play TLU, etc..

Starting football also means that a corresponding women's program would need to be started up to satisfy Title IX and due to the travel in the conference it costs a lot of money to fly these kids all over the country. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 15, 2007, 12:14:11 PM
Thanks, Ron...good stuff.

$22 million endowment at Ogelthorpe...ouch!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 15, 2007, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 15, 2007, 12:00:12 PM
The thing about ten teams, as the ASC has discovered, is that it takes away the ability to play teams outside the conference and limits flexiblity.   But if Hendrix decides to start a program, everyone will have to deal with that fact.  DePauw will only face Wabash, Millsaps will probably play Miss College, Trinity will play TLU, etc..

This is the problem I have with such an idea.  I wasn't really excited about having to break off 2 non-confs already to play 8 conference games this past year.  From a DePauw perspective, I enjoyed playing Hope every year.  That was a competitive series until a couple of years ago.  They don't play anymore.  No more Chicago.  At the same time, it does appear that CC and BSC have a chance to play some competitive football. 

I just don't forsee any good reason for the conference to continue to add more teams.  To what end?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2007, 09:14:00 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 15, 2007, 11:49:49 AM

Anyone have information or simply perspective on the future of the SCAC regarding football?

As a DePauw fan I like the schools in league in terms of academic quality, competitiveness, style of play and also the experiences the widespread geographic locations offer (for both student/athletes and parents). Do you see further expansion? At least one more to get to an even 10? If so, what schools might be considered?

Thanks for any insight you might be able to offer. 
Good answers above...

The SCAC is happy with its 12-member two-division format now.  This is what it has been trying to achieve for some time, and I don't think that they were prepared to divulge those long term plans until they got the right "new" members.

Austin College had coveted an SCAC bid for a long time.  They added a Phi Beta Kappa Chapter and committed to an increase in the athletic travel budget, to changes in focus in some sports, to facility upgrades, and to adding SCAC sports.

I do not think that the SCAC is prepared to add teams unless they get an inquiry from D-1 Centenary (Shreveport, LA) or some high profile D-2/ D-1's from the Carolinas.  (If a high profile NAIA Berry GA or NAIA Berea KY were to inquire, they might be admitted, just because those schools have the $400-$500 Million endowments that make them peer institutions!) I also wonder if Oglethorpe can keep up the pace.  They have for nearly 2 decades, tho'.  The next logical point is 16 teams.  Colorado College has 2 D-1 sports (Men's ice hockey and women's soccer) and does not field a baseball team.  That is what leads me to think the 16 is the next magic number.

Also, the "D-III/D-IV" thing will consume at least 2-3 years of everybody's time, so don't look for anything moving before at least 2010.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 15, 2007, 09:22:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2007, 10:47:28 PM
Interestingly, if you use the vote site that requires an e-mail address and voted earlier in the week, you can't vote again until the 16th.  Makes me wonder if they made an oops. 

http://mobileapp.espn.go.com/wireless/espn/redesign/affiliateSponsorPontiacGC?markupType=XHTML&src=featured&cId=null

Ron, the "oops" has been corrected by the ESPN web-spinners.  Just figured out today that you can no longer vote more than once per week at the the regular or mobile sites.  The link above also works from web-enabled cellphones, but again, only once per week.  They must be doing some IP checking, I guess.  DANG those nerds!  ;)

Now it's gonna be tougher for the D3 Trinity-Millsaps play to keep winning over the D1 entries, but I'll be voting early and often from as many different PC's as possible!!!  Y'all do the same, please!

GO TIGERS ... win the Pontiac Scholarship!!   (A LITTLE HELP, Y'ALL?!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 16, 2007, 09:56:27 AM
The SCAC is happy with its 12-member two-division format now.  This is what it has been trying to achieve for some time, and I don't think that they were prepared to divulge those long term plans until they got the right "new" members.

Austin College had coveted an SCAC bid for a long time.  They added a Phi Beta Kappa Chapter and committed to an increase in the athletic travel budget, to changes in focus in some sports, to facility upgrades, and to adding SCAC sports.

QuoteI do not think that the SCAC is prepared to add teams unless they get an inquiry from D-1 Centenary (Shreveport, LA) or some high profile D-2/ D-1's from the Carolinas.  (If a high profile NAIA Berry GA or NAIA Berea KY were to inquire, they might be admitted, just because those schools have the $400-$500 Million endowments that make them peer institutions!) I also wonder if Oglethorpe can keep up the pace.  They have for nearly 2 decades, tho'.  The next logical point is 16 teams.  Colorado College has 2 D-1 sports (Men's ice hockey and women's soccer) and does not field a baseball team.  That is what leads me to think the 16 is the next magic number.

Also, the "D-III/D-IV" thing will consume at least 2-3 years of everybody's time, so don't look for anything moving before at least 2010.

Thanks, Ralph...and probably right regarding DIII/DIV situation...

Wes---agree with you on Hope...that was a nice rivalry for DPU. Also would have liked to have seen Chicago become a regular...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on December 17, 2007, 07:28:52 AM
This is long overdue, but I'd like to thank TigerDad for taking the time to send me private links to the 15 lateral TU play.  I was underway aboard Kitty Hawk and had not forwarded my Yahoo account, but had downloaded a bad copy and showed it to all who'd watch.  It was great to see it in technicolor when we returned to Japan after getting turned away in Hong Kong.  I know everyone is busy, but it meant a lot to me for someone to take the time to get the word to the fleet. 

You're a fine man, Scott. 

All the best, Tom
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 17, 2007, 12:52:32 PM

For DPU fans---
I was watching the DVD of the Bell game this weekend and while Pyneberg's hit at the goal line at the end of the first half has gotten alot of attention (and rightfully so, it was an awesome hit from a great player), there was another impressive hit that went unnoticed. On Marks' score to make it 21-19 late in the game, OL Casey Ellinger absolutely destroyed #40 at the goal line. A textbook pancake block if there ever was one....perhaps not as sensational as the other hit...but wanted to give props to one of the hogs who did an super job that day (and will be back next year!).
   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 17, 2007, 08:09:39 PM
Thank you for your service, Tom!!

Now, for those of you dying to vote for the Mississippi Miracle yet one more time, ESPN.com is doing something called "The Greatest Highlight with Chris Berman"  What is it?  According to the website it "is a chance for voters to help determine the all-time best highlight in a tournament-style setting. Along with Berman, you'll help narrows the field from the 100 candidates found below to a group of finalists that will be seeded in a highlight bracket. From that point on, it's win or go home for each highlight, as your votes will help determine which highlight advance to claim the crown of the best of all time."

Trinity-Millsaps is there, along with "Down Goes Frasier," Bartman, Bobby Thompson's "shot heard around the world", the Music City Miracle, that lateral play with the trombone player, and lots of other great, great highlights.  They need to narrow the field down from 100 to 8, so go here to vote (http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/special/highlights100?event_id=3283&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab7pos1).  "Our" play has the advantage of being recent but it will be a real uphill battle to make the cut. 

Merry Christmas to all!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 18, 2007, 11:13:39 PM
BTW, congrats to Frank Ezelle who should be getting a nice check from ESPN for his photo displayed in conjunction with the contest above (http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1218/ncf_trin_finalplay_600.jpg)!

Too bad ESPN screwed up the caption, getting some very basic facts wrong.  At least they spelled Frank's name right!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 19, 2007, 06:55:03 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Final 2007 D3football.com Poll)

SCAC representatives in the final 2007 poll:

#16---Trinity Tigers
tied for #33---Millsaps Majors

IMHO these seem about right. The 2008 Preseason Poll should probably start at approximately the same rankings? The main question for next season's Tigers on offense is at QB; should Caleb Urban (always a threat to run) get a "look" at QB during Spring work-outs, with Bryant Wilson (great 6'4" height) possibly moving to WR? On defense; Tigers need nearly a complete Black Flag reload?


                                                                              ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 19, 2007, 08:36:03 PM
Quote(El Tea Gray---re: Final 2007 D3football.com Poll)

SCAC representatives in the final 2007 poll:

#16---Trinity Tigers
tied for #33---Millsaps Majors

IMHO these seem about right. The 2008 Preseason Poll should probably start at approximately the same rankings? The main question for next season's Tigers on offense is at QB; should Caleb Urban (always a threat to run) get a "look" at QB during Spring work-outs, with Bryant Wilson (great 6'4" height) possibly moving to WR? On defense; Tigers need nearly a complete Black Flag reload?




Both teams I thought had very good squads this year...thought Trinity was a bit more physical while Millsaps was more athletic and had more overall team speed, especially on defense. Definitley don't think the ratings (#16 and #33) represents the disparity between the two teams....much, much closer than that.

regarding QB position...is Urban duel threat or just runner? Wilson, I assume is more pure drop back passer?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 20, 2007, 10:58:02 AM

Urban to quarterback?  I would be very surprised if that happened unless etg has intimate knowledge of the situation.  They've had a lot of success with pocket passers for quite a while. 

However, everyone has been pretty mobile and I don't know anything about Wilson in that capacity.  If there's any validity to that change, either Urban is a natural passer that doesn't need much preparation, or Coach Mohr wants to do something very different on offense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 20, 2007, 12:43:38 PM
I'd be surprised to see Urban moved to QB.  He was pretty effective in his first year at WR/KR.

Also with all due respect to etg I think the gap between Millsaps and Trinity this year was much smaller than reflected in the final poll; after all, TU had to pull off one of the miracle plays of all time to get the h2h win.  I don't think Millsaps is losing as much to graduation as does Trinity and will not be surprised if they are ranked ahead of the Tigers next year, certainly in the SCAC coaches' poll.  The national polls are more "prove you can win before we put you up there". 

Also going to be interesting to see how/if the national publicity both Trinity and Millsaps received this year translates in terms of recruiting classes. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 20, 2007, 01:28:28 PM
QuoteAlso with all due respect to etg I think the gap between Millsaps and Trinity this year was much smaller than reflected in the final poll;

definitely agree, Ron...


QuoteAlso going to be interesting to see how/if the national publicity both Trinity and Millsaps received this year translates in terms of recruiting classes. 

Personally, can't see that as having any impact on recruiting. Sure, it may make some kids more aware of the schools, but I don't think a freakish, schoolyard play is going to get too many kids excited about going to school there. Having said that, i DO think the publicity surrounding the play has been some great visibility for DIII football.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 20, 2007, 02:15:44 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 18, 2007, 11:13:39 PM
BTW, congrats to Frank Ezelle who should be getting a nice check from ESPN for his photo displayed in conjunction with the contest above (http://assets.espn.go.com/photo/2007/1218/ncf_trin_finalplay_600.jpg)!

Too bad ESPN screwed up the caption, getting some very basic facts wrong.  At least they spelled Frank's name right!

HA--the check from ESPN must be lost in the mail.  I didn't even know they were using the photo until I saw that the play was on the top 100 list.  At least the check from Sports Illustrated came but it is still stuck on my refrigerator--I need to look and see when that check expires.

(When I was talking to the lady from SI on the Sunday after the game she said, "Now we are only going to use a small version of your photo and our fee for an eighth of a page or less is $125.  How does that fit with your normal scale?"  I laughed and said, "It fits well since I usually give the photos to the students for free."  That's not very savvy, but at least I didn't say, "Sure, I'll pay you $125 if you'll print one of my photos.")
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2007, 02:16:59 PM
I was particularly peeved that Trinity fell as far as it did in the Top 25!

I think that TU should have been Top 12 at least and Millsaps Top 20.  The South went 3/5/8/14/16/17/19.

As for Wabash, in a playoff-type environment (Monon Bell), the SCAC #3 beat the #2 seed in the North Region!  AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!  >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 20, 2007, 05:24:41 PM
Well, Ralph, unfortunately until the SCAC wins a playoff game of any type I doubt we'll see the kind of respect needed to get those results - and as long as it's Trinity playing UMHB those will be hard to come by.  16 seems about right for a two-loss team that lost in the first round. 

And I was overjoyed to see W&J come in at 17.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on December 21, 2007, 06:56:43 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity QB ?)

Kindly see calallenhighschool.net/Chsfbshrine06.html; look for pictures and comments about West (red uniform) #1.

                                                                        :)

                                                                           
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2007, 10:31:03 PM
QuoteAs for Wabash, in a playoff-type environment (Monon Bell), the SCAC #3 beat the #2 seed in the North Region!  AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! 

Short term solution for DePauw...get in a weak conference like Wabash, beat a bunch of nobodies and get a bid... :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2007, 10:38:38 PM
QuoteAs for Wabash, in a playoff-type environment (Monon Bell), the SCAC #3 beat the #2 seed in the North Region!  AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! 

...it was interesting to see how much DPU physically dominated Wabash....and not just on the line of scrimmage. LG's DB's were especially soft...but I must say the band aids on the noses of players and coaches were really intimidating... ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2007, 10:39:29 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2007, 10:31:03 PM
QuoteAs for Wabash, in a playoff-type environment (Monon Bell), the SCAC #3 beat the #2 seed in the North Region!  AAAAAARRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH! 

Short term solution for DePauw...get in a weak conference like Wabash, beat a bunch of nobodies and get a bid... :D
+1   :D :D :D

The NCAC might accept DePauw, if DPU wanted to play on the terms of the NCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2007, 11:01:46 PM
QuoteThe NCAC might accept DePauw, if DPU wanted to play on the terms of the NCAC.

...and that would be....????



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 21, 2007, 11:08:10 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2007, 10:31:03 PM
Short term solution for DePauw...get in a weak conference like Wabash, beat a bunch of nobodies and get a bid... :D

In fairness to them, this year wasn't exactly the stereotypical year in the NCAC.  Usually the other top tier teams put up a bit more of a fight than they did this year.  Witt still wasn't that bad, but Wooster was.

I'm as big of a DPU fan as you'll find around here, but it isn't like they miss the playoffs every year because they keep losing to Mount Union here.  Trinity's been a great football team... so on and so forth and the like, but if you can't beat 'em one time in a decade, I'm not so sure that Wabash playing cupcakes is the problem.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 21, 2007, 11:09:37 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2007, 11:01:46 PM
QuoteThe NCAC might accept DePauw, if DPU wanted to play on the terms of the NCAC.

...and that would be....????
That is the subject of the D-III/D-IV discussions of the Future of D-III message board!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2007, 11:13:18 PM
QuoteIn fairness to them, this year wasn't exactly the stereotypical year in the NCAC.  Usually the other top tier teams put up a bit more of a fight than they did this year.  Witt still wasn't that bad, but Wooster was.

I'm as big of a DPU fan as you'll find around here, but it isn't like they miss the playoffs every year because they keep losing to Mount Union here.  Trinity's been a great football team... so on and so forth and the like, but if you can't beat 'em one time in a decade, I'm not so sure that Wabash playing cupcakes is the problem.

DePuaw needs to take care of its own business---understood. But are you saying DPU would not have made the playoffs this season if they were in the NCAC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 21, 2007, 11:26:32 PM
Nope.  Not saying that at all.  Don't believe I made even the slightest inclination towards that.

But, there have been couple of years in this decade where I think this conference gave DePauw the better chance and they didn't do it. 

If DePauw would have had to go through the murderer's row of Wabash, Witt, and Wooster for the past 5 or 6 years, they would not have faired nearly as well.  This year, sure.  But I think this was an atypical year.  It may continue into a trend if Wooster doesn't get their rear end in gear.  Wabash may put a nice long run together depending on how the coaching search turns out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Observation Deck on December 21, 2007, 11:41:28 PM
They would also get the Nurturer's Row of Hiram, Kenyon and Oberlin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 22, 2007, 09:05:16 AM
QuoteIf DePauw would have had to go through the murderer's row of Wabash, Witt, and Wooster for the past 5 or 6 years, they would not have faired nearly as well.

You give disrespect to the Yankees. :)

DePauw of course plays Wabash each year and I would add Trinity and Millsaps, especially on the road, as more challenging.
   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 22, 2007, 10:35:48 AM
Let's be honest:  until last year the SCAC was basically a one-horse race with DePauw being the strongest contender (Centre and Rhodes had their shots too).  Now we have Millsaps up there and I guarantee you that B-SC is going to be a factor.  They won't be eligible for a championship for three more years but pretty sure they will be knocking some people off (and impacting pool C chances) if not next year then the year after.  Next year is going to be interesting.

And in other news the 'Mississippi Miracle' has made it to the semis of the Pontiac/ESPN Game Changing Play of the Year competition.  You can vote here:

http://www.pontiac.com/ncaa

and/or

http://mobileapp.espn.go.com/wireless/espn/redesign/affiliateSponsorPontiacGC?markupType=XHTML&src=featured&cId=null

(they don't seem to have changed the latter yet).

The other teams left are App State, Alabama, and Auburn. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 22, 2007, 01:18:06 PM
QuoteLet's be honest:  until last year the SCAC was basically a one-horse race with DePauw being the strongest contender (Centre and Rhodes had their shots too). 

Would agree with that, Ron and would add that DePauw had its shots and didn't get the job done. My point is currently and I think perhaps going forward, the SCAC is clearly better...I think the top teams are better (Trinity, Millsaps, DPU) and, importantly, the middle of the pack and "weak' teams are way better...just my opinion...
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on December 25, 2007, 12:08:38 AM
The Play has made the top 50 plays of the year on
"THE BEST DAMN SPORTS SHOW PERIOD"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on December 25, 2007, 12:09:36 AM
Happy Holidays to one and all
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on December 25, 2007, 05:33:39 PM
TheObservationDeck,
Wabash doesn't have Hiram nor Kenyon on their schedule pal.  I only wish Wabash could play such powers as Anderson, Colorado College, or Birmingham-Southern.  Let's face it, teams have programs on their schedule that are not quality programs.  I love it that DPU has 10 stud programs on your schedule.  Millsaps and Trinity are on a different level then you and how many times have you beaten them?  Pick a team, they all have cupcakes.  I love the fact that DePauw, year in year out, uses the conference excuse/schedule excuse (don't foget the 6 AM workouts) to justify the fact Wabash's program is on another level.  Let's not forget that Wabash has won 5 out of the last 7 Monon Bell games.  You guys talk as if you have been dominant recently.  You haven't.

BTW:  how did the SCAC champ do this year in the playoffs - just curious, how far did they go?  What is DePauw's lifetime playoff record?  Lastly, go ahead and knock the conference's (NCAC) 12-10 playoff record.  In the Creighton-era, Bash is 5-3 winning all 3 first round games.

At least Wes Anderson seems to have a clue.

WAF.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 25, 2007, 07:07:35 PM
Merry Christmas to you too, BB.  Yikes. 

Just for clarity, I don't think he's a DePauw fan.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 25, 2007, 08:06:06 PM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on December 25, 2007, 05:33:39 PM
TheObservationDeck,
Wabash doesn't have Hiram nor Kenyon on their schedule pal.

No, but they are guaranteed to play at least one every year and if they slip out of the upper tier in the NCAC they'll have their schedule inflated by playing all three. And I think TOD may have been referring to DePauw, not Wabash? Re-read that post and see if you agree.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 25, 2007, 08:19:59 PM
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on December 25, 2007, 05:33:39 PM
BTW:  how did the SCAC champ do this year in the playoffs - just curious, how far did they go? 

And since we're all in the holiday spirit, I thought I'd take a shot at this slightly misinformed potshot.  Trinity was outed beacuse they ran into 1 of the 3 top tier D3 teams.  Wabash was outed because they ran into 1 of the 3 top tier D3 teams.  Wabash being in the North gets the lovely schedule of MSJ and Case before they run into one of those teams.  Trinity, being in Texas, gets UMHB every single year.  I'm sorry.  I saw Trinity and Wabash, and I just don't think Wabash would make it out of a roadie in Belton.  How would it go for Wabash if they got Mount in the first round every. single. year.?

And since we're in the mood for using one specific example to illustrate why the NCAC IZ TEH BOMB.COM!!!11!, allow me to provide a different specific example.  Trinity went to the Stagg in 2002.  I count that as one more run to the Stagg than the NCAC has in the last 15 years.

Listen, the NCAC's playoff record is so good BECAUSE YOU'RE IN IT.  You played good football this year despite the fact that you never faced a challenge after you lost your QB until the Bell game.  CC still got his guys to the round of 8.  I think the NCAC is down right now.  That's fairly clear, isn't it?  The other top teams just aren't playing great football compared to a half decade ago.  Now, does that lack of competition affect you at all?  Apparently not.  You still played great football against some very good teams in the playoffs. 

There really isn't any point in talking a bunch of crap about how poor DePauw's program is in comparison when the Bell isn't in Crawfordsville.  It doesn't really make any sense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on December 26, 2007, 12:10:13 PM
Wes - it just gets old hearing the same things from Greencastle about Wabash football, year in, year out...its the soft schedule, its the soft conference, its the lucky playoff draws, its....always something...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 26, 2007, 12:43:41 PM
Do not get me wrong, my friend.  I can certainly understand that.  +1.

However, please allow me to provide a gentle reminder from those of us on this board, if you will.

It gets old hearing the same things from Crawfordsville about DePauw football, year in, year out... it's not beating Trinity, it's not going to the playoffs, somebody has to bring up the coaching changes despite the fact that we've split the last 4 Bell games, it's...always something. 

EDIT: One other thought, I believe that's why it's called a rivalry.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on December 26, 2007, 12:48:59 PM
When Wabash joined the NCAC, Witt was one of the premiere teams in the nation.  Constantly ranked in the top 10, frequently in the top 5.  While the NCAC as a whole is not a good conference, there was certainly a 500-pound gorilla that had to be conquered.  It took Wabash 3 seasons in the NCAC to beat that gorilla and get into the playoffs.  DePauw faced a similar issue when they joined the SCAC with Trinity playing the role of the gorilla.  10 years later, DePauw still hasn't figured out how to beat that gorilla.  I'll give you that Witt isn't as strong as they were when Wabash joined the NCAC, you'll have to concede that Trinity isn't on the same level they were when DPU joined the SCAC.  

The SCAC is better overall than the NCAC is...it's ignorant to argue otherwise.  But the SCAC certainly isn't a great conference.  In 10 years, you all should have figured out how to win that thing by now.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 26, 2007, 03:03:14 PM
We had plenty of chances.  The ways DePauw has found to NOT win are certainly innovative, if nothing else.  Snaps over the punter's head.  Losing 2 score leads in 5 minutes.  Mailing it in in the red zone.  They've tried just about every way possible.

Now we've got two gorillas, to continue your metaphor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on December 26, 2007, 05:32:41 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on December 26, 2007, 03:03:14 PM
Now we've got two gorillas, to continue your metaphor.

Very true...and I think BSC is going be really good really soon as well.  I'm wondering if DPU's best chance to win the SCAC didn't get washed out by Rita. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on December 26, 2007, 09:52:30 PM
Parity is highly overrated anyway.  Happy new Year boys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 27, 2007, 10:24:34 PM
QuoteTheObservationDeck,
Wabash doesn't have Hiram nor Kenyon on their schedule pal.  I only wish Wabash could play such powers as Anderson, Colorado College, or Birmingham-Southern.  Let's face it, teams have programs on their schedule that are not quality programs.  I love it that DPU has 10 stud programs on your schedule.  Millsaps and Trinity are on a different level then you and how many times have you beaten them?  Pick a team, they all have cupcakes.  I love the fact that DePauw, year in year out, uses the conference excuse/schedule excuse (don't foget the 6 AM workouts) to justify the fact Wabash's program is on another level.  Let's not forget that Wabash has won 5 out of the last 7 Monon Bell games.  You guys talk as if you have been dominant recently.  You haven't.

BTW:  how did the SCAC champ do this year in the playoffs - just curious, how far did they go?  What is DePauw's lifetime playoff record?  Lastly, go ahead and knock the conference's (NCAC) 12-10 playoff record.  In the Creighton-era, Bash is 5-3 winning all 3 first round games.

Seems like someone is a bit insecure?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 27, 2007, 11:14:59 PM
QuoteThe Play has made the top 50 plays of the year on
"THE BEST DAMN SPORTS SHOW PERIOD"

Musberger quipped that he would cast his vote for the Trinity play during tonight's broadcast of the Texas-Arizona State game...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 28, 2007, 02:09:17 PM

If you want to promote division 3 sports, do a google search for pontiac game changing performance and vote for the only d3 play that will likely be seen there for a long time.  We only have a few days left and Appalachain State is currently in the lead. 

A vote for Trinity is a vote for d3football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on December 28, 2007, 10:38:44 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on December 26, 2007, 05:32:41 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on December 26, 2007, 03:03:14 PM
Now we've got two gorillas, to continue your metaphor.

Very true...and I think BSC is going be really good really soon as well.  I'm wondering if DPU's best chance to win the SCAC didn't get washed out by Rita. 

To be fair... DPU did win the SCAC that year - a split title with Trinity.  DPU's 2 losses that year were at the hands of two playoff teams by a combined 8 points - if they hadn't scheduled Wesley that year (who I think went to the national semis that year - they beat the Tigers 31-26 in Greencastle), maybe they go 8-1, and while the lack of a standout win would have hurt their Pool C chances, who knows?

I know, I know, 'co-champions' and all that, but it's that part after the 'co' that's the big thing.

I'll always believe DPU would have beaten Trinity that year - that was the best DePauw team I saw in my four years, and Trinity was as 'ripe for the picking' as a program like that one is ever going to be. Oh, well.

Oh, and I wholeheartedly agree about BSC - took a gutsy two-minute drill to bail the Tigers out in their first visit down there this past season, and most of BSC's impact players were freshman. I may have posted this at the time of the game, but if that's the case I'll say it again - a lot of those Panthers could have seen some serious time on any other team in the conference, including the DPU-TU-MC triad. They're well coached, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 28, 2007, 11:00:55 PM
The other big thing going for BSC is that the president has given 110% of institutional support to the athletics programs.

There is not been "big-time" D-3 emphasis in the South, from Millsaps to the coast.  (I am not disregarding Sewanee or Millsaps or Oglethorpe or Huntingdon or LaGrange, but I think it is BSC that provides the "critical mass" for D3 to take off!)

I think that the BSC faithful will embrace D-3 as well as any place in the country, and there is not a conflict between SEC football on one level and the SCAC/D-3 on another.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 29, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
Ralph, I can't disagree with your comments about the potential of BSC becoming a D-3 power in athletics if they so choose.  It is hard to analize where their overall program is right now with some of their teams having the benefit of former D1 players still remaining in the program and other teams being made up primarily of freshmen.  There was a lot of excitement about the return of football this year and maybe they will build on that excitement and maybe that excitement will fade.  Time will tell.

I feel like most people here discount the post of Millsaps people when it comes to football, so I'll just give my opinion and everyone can just blow it off as an over zealous fan.  When the coaches at Millsaps say that their two goals are to win the SCAC championship and the NCAA championship, they are not looking at this as setting an achievable goal followed by a pipe dream goal.  While the last two years have been championship years at Millsaps, I think they are just part of the process that is needed to get to a much higher goal of being one of the handful of schools with a legitimate chance of winning the national championship.  Time will tell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on December 29, 2007, 01:22:22 PM
ralph's observations may b on the money, with respect to D-3 and the deep south... but several things are coming into play... south alabama (acording to the news outlets in mobile) has decided to start a football program they have a verbal  comitment to eventally join the D-1 sunbelt (i thank 5 yrs)

kennesaw State in marietta, ga will begin football within the next 3 yrs(according ..again to news i read out of marietta) and ga state in mid town atlanta is starting up football
kennesaw will probably b d-2 => d1cs
i believe this will affect lagrange some...particularly kenesaw (as they have som kids from cobb county)

the relatively new naia programs at shorter  (rome ga) and faulkner (montgomery) will also impact all these schools... i no... i no... not the same kids... but i am not so sure there is that great a defference in recruiting (ok...grades being a big diff...but there r some smart kids at those schools)

having lived through the boys (aka son) recruiting odessey last yr ...i thought it had a lot to do with just playing football...and not a lot more

in the boys case after 6 official visits... it came down to 2 d-2 schools which offered partials, invited walk ons to 2 d1.( bc & cs)...although we visited sewanee, bsc, and samford...he had no interest (i wanted him to go to either sewanee or samford....but he did not like either) ... he visited huntingdon...jusor t to get out of school...and fell in love with it... i liked the idea of d-3...i liked the scholar athlete idea... and since he got an academic sholarship...the price was right

in his case...and my impression many of his team mates...it is about playing football.... the boy said (while making his decision ...... 'dad, it's either auburn-alabama and then everything else....so...i'm gonna go to huntington cause they got a 100% acceptance to law school... and i thank i can play more'
(i believe the emphasis was really '''i thank i can play more' and not at all about the law school)

i realize i have rambled...but i believe the increase number of programs will forever hurt the potential growth of d-3 in the south as compared to the rest of the usa... millsaps being a possible exception ( the saints, the facilities..etc)

many folks can say ..well they r different type of kids attracted to d-3... maybe..... but don't over state that point... bsc has transfers (according to thier we site) from grambling, jax state, carson-newman, the citadel...and several d-3 schools... kinda like huntingdon did it's first year... both schools require high standards... we can argue which is higher... but my point is the new schools will affect all the d-3 in the south...as these r small states and only so much talent...

possible example:
one of the linemen from milsaps on the 3rd team of the all south region is from mobile... now i am sure he would pick milsaps again and perhaps my thesis does not apply to him... but other kids of similar talent might b tempted to stay in mobile and go to south alabama (which has a medical school and is a FINE institution)... and i bet that kid could play there...

the more diluted... well the weaker all the lower levels will become... but i could b wrong... it won't b the first or last time

before everyone from the scac screams i am stupid (which might b true)..i love the scac...  my first cousin was capt of the football team at sewanee in 66...

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2007, 01:32:50 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on December 29, 2007, 01:13:29 PM
Ralph, I can't disagree with your comments about the potential of BSC becoming a D-3 power in athletics if they so choose.  It is hard to analize where their overall program is right now with some of their teams having the benefit of former D1 players still remaining in the program and other teams being made up primarily of freshmen.  There was a lot of excitement about the return of football this year and maybe they will build on that excitement and maybe that excitement will fade.  Time will tell.

I feel like most people here discount the post of Millsaps people when it comes to football, so I'll just give my opinion and everyone can just blow it off as an over zealous fan.  When the coaches at Millsaps say that their two goals are to win the SCAC championship and the NCAA championship, they are not looking at this as setting an achievable goal followed by a pipe dream goal.  While the last two years have been championship years at Millsaps, I think they are just part of the process that is needed to get to a much higher goal of being one of the handful of schools with a legitimate chance of winning the national championship.  Time will tell.
Frank, I was mainly concerned with football in that post.  The "D-1" facilities, especially baseball, will continue to be a lure for prospective student athletes.

Here (http://www.bscsports.net/Pdfs/football/2007/1/2/athletic_complex1.pdf) is the architectural drawing for the new football stadium and other facilities.

My comment on the critical mass is that now there another peer institution that is playing D-3 football.  Was any "enthusiasm" at Millsaps when Millsaps would play McMurry over the last three decades?

Who seems to excite the Millsaps alumni?  Rhodes, Sewanee, Trinity?  Austin College, Centre, DePauw?

Huntingdon, La Grange and BSC have brought a new level of football excitement to a football-starved area in this decade.  Specific to the SCAC, the option for  "Alabama boys" will be to sit on the bench at some D1-AA or have playing time and a comparable or better education at BSC.

If the resurgence of Millsaps football coupled with the growth of BSC heightens D3 awareness, then great!  I have said many times.  I think that there are more D-II/D-III calibre football players/athletes who have given up intercollegiate athletics because it wasn't D-1, than we know of.  Raising the profile of the joys and benefits of D-III athletics is the mind-change that may occur in the South with the arrival of BSC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on December 29, 2007, 01:38:38 PM
Good points but i'd look at the state of ohio, they have six teams in the mac + ohio state and cincy. Than they have 7 teams in the ncac + case in the uaa and who knows who else playing football at the college level but that's alot of servings. As for d3 football in the south, geo, florida, s.car and LA are pretty much untapped...well at the level the scac wants, ie high academic school's...maybe throw in ncar since the soco is d1. I do think that hits a point, the scac like to be playing with each other and other academic school's cause that is their selling point and that's why i lean to them joining up if enough academic type horses leave the d3 barn for d4.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 29, 2007, 01:48:05 PM
AF4 has some of the same thoughts in his very good post. 

I understand the concern for the dilution of talent that may occur at the upper levels, but I also think that the South has that much talent to go around.

Another dynamic is the difference from the "control" that the coach has over a player with the "Athletic" scholarship.  My cousin was an all-state defensive lineman in the top classification in Texas.  He received a full ride to SMU back in the Ron Meyer era (Craig James/Eric Dickerson).  After the first day of three-a-days, he realized that D-1 was not for him.

He is now looking at the options for his 15 year-old who is a talented wide receiver.  He knows exactly when football no longer became "fun".

Auburn/'Bama is one level.  The "wannabes" that didn't get to 'Bama are now looking at Kennesaw State.  They are reaching for the brass ring there.  D-III is another level, and I think that it is a mind set that student-athletes can adopt.

That mind-set change in favor of D-III is what I want to promote.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on December 29, 2007, 02:15:05 PM
"That mind-set change in favor of D-III is what I want to promote"
Ralph Turner- hero, great American

that is why i enjoy your posts.... that is why i love this d-3... i was a wanna-b at what is now a mediocre d-1cs school... it got me an education. (with por grammer and spelling)... but i too remember when it stopped being fun...

i started reading this site 2 yrs ago... cause the boy didn't want to wrestle anymore (the greatest sport in the world) and only wanted to play ball (which brought back memories of when it quit being fun)...reading all i could about d-3...as it was foreign... helped me and my bride (34yrs) steer the boy...

i am thankful he decided to do what he did.... if he was gonna play ball, that is.... and meeting mike turk (huntingdon's hc..didn't hurt)

of  the 2 non horse sex forums i read and occasionally talk.. heck of all the forums i am on...this is the best.... best (appearing) folks...and the games we went to this yr and the people we met (perhaps with the exception of faulkner-naia) just solidified that thought-belief... nice...real people

oh well... yall have a wonderful new yrs... i 'm gonna feed the mules, move some hay, kick back and get sick eating fried turkey and watching football for the next few days... uh ...and go of church of course

i won't pray that auburn wins... but i might that bama loses

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 29, 2007, 05:59:55 PM
Ralph asked, "Who seems to excite the Millsaps alumni?  Rhodes, Sewanee, Trinity?  Austin College, Centre, DePauw?"

Ralph, even if you had added Mississippi College to the list, the answer would unfortunately be "none of the above".  I'm on the SID's email list so I get Millsaps sports stories from that source, but I can't remember ever getting an alumni email from the school that passes along good news about athletics or promotes any sporting event other than Homecoming and maybe the football game with MC.  In my mind, it is an incredible lost opportunity by the school.

You might remember that I started a Millsaps sports email at this time last year.  It lasted about two months but ended when I could not get the Millsaps administration to send out a one-time announcement about the availability of a Millsaps sports email.  Since the alums were the target audience, it was pointless to continue without the support of the folks outside of the athletic department who could help me reach the alums.  I keep hoping that they will pick up the ball and do something on their own or give the athletic department more staff so they can do an official email, but I doubt that will happen any time soon.

Oh well, let me get off my soapbox and start working on photos from the women's basketball game this afternoon.  Happy New Year to everyone and thanks for all that all of you add to this message board.

Frank.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tutiger on December 29, 2007, 08:58:58 PM
Did anyone see the Pontiac Game Changing Performance commercial during the Alamo Bowl?  Talk about complete garbage.  You would not have even known the Trinity play was being considered.  It was the last play shown, was significantly abbreviated, and the explanation of the voting started before the Trinity play ended.  There wasn't any audio like there was for the other plays.  It was complete BS.  D3 gets screwed again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 30, 2007, 09:48:20 AM
QuoteDid anyone see the Pontiac Game Changing Performance commercial during the Alamo Bowl?  Talk about complete garbage.  You would not have even known the Trinity play was being considered.  It was the last play shown, was significantly abbreviated, and the explanation of the voting started before the Trinity play ended.  There wasn't any audio like there was for the other plays.  It was complete BS.  D3 gets screwed again.

Yes, I did see that and actually it's been running that way all week. It is BS and I guess is evidence that the folks at Pontiac want one of the DI schools to get the award.   :(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HunterT on December 30, 2007, 10:03:37 AM
Been a long time since i've looked at this page, but i figured that there would be some chatter about the Pontiac Game Changing Performance nomination.

Yes D3 is getting screwed by the commercials, we can all agree with that. But it is still good that at least we're on there, can't fight that.

My concern is about the scholarship. IF Trinity was to win the award, there is a $100,000 scholarship gift to the winning school. What are the stipulations for the scholarship? If it's athletic, is a D3 school even eligible to win?

If TU does win, does the money go to the athletic program as a whole to be used for improvements? or does it go into a "leadership fund" (a.k.a. the secret athletic scholarship  ;))?

Just some thoughts of mine. I hope TU does win, I think it would be amazing to have a D3 school win, but to have one from the SCAC win would be great. And regardless it'll be good to see the team on tv during the championship game.

p.s. part of me does have to hope that they don't win. Because if TU gets all that money, how is Rhodes supposed to compete with that???  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 30, 2007, 10:13:30 AM
Pretty sure the money goes to the school's general scholarship fund.   Edit:  yes, according to the press release "Winning school receives $100,000 General Scholarship Contribution from Pontiac."

The commercial has been pretty sad and they have been running it for quite a while now.  Look at it from Pontiac's POV - if Trinity gets it they get little exposure as the number of TU fans/alumni is much smaller than the other three schools.  But yeah I figured all along that App State would be the winner.

Remember that you can vote weekly (and it turns over Saturday or Sunday each week) at http://www.pontiac.com/ncaa.  It also seems that cell phone votes (e.g. from your cell phone to the cell phone URL that someone posted earlier) aren't limited to weekly. 

Quote from: HunterT on December 30, 2007, 10:03:37 AM
p.s. part of me does have to hope that they don't win. Because if TU gets all that money, how is Rhodes supposed to compete with that???  ;D

Since Trinity's endowment is almost as large as the other three finalists combined, the only worry TU opponents should have would be if they won the money and used it to make the visitor "locker room" even worse ...  ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tusid on December 30, 2007, 08:36:43 PM
I've debated making this post for a while, but I've decided to go ahead with it.  I know people are tired of hearing about the Trinity play, but I hope everyone gets out there and votes anyway.  This is the first time a DIII team has ever been in the running, and there's no guarantee that DIII will get another shot at this.  I have it on good authority that Trinity is in fact trailing in the voting, though the deficit is not insurmountable.  However, I don't think Trinity can win without the support of DIII fans/friends/family everywhere.  So go to the site and "Vote DIII" before the January 3 deadline.  I only plan on posting this here, but feel free to duplicate it on all the D3sports.com message boards you all think would be interested. 

Thanks,
TUSID
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 31, 2007, 10:25:33 AM

Here's the link.  Vote with all your might!

https://r.espn.go.com/espn/contests/07GameChangingPerformance/index?seo=goo_pontiac_game_changers_phase_2
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 01, 2008, 10:58:10 AM
Happy New Year to all on the SCAC board....here's to a great '08 season!


Only about 7 1/2 months to the start of practice... 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 01, 2008, 11:48:13 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on December 31, 2007, 10:25:33 AM

Here's the link.  Vote with all your might!

https://r.espn.go.com/espn/contests/07GameChangingPerformance/index?seo=goo_pontiac_game_changers_phase_2
Tough competition...

The most remarkable upset that I can remember, App State.

Only one Alabama highlight, which concentrated the "Bama" vote.

Only one Auburn highlight, ditto.  (War Eagle!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 01, 2008, 09:35:30 PM
Not only that, but the other three are clustered tightly together on the left while Trinity hangs out on the right by itself.  C'est la vie.

Hope everyone has a wonderful new year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 07, 2008, 11:36:35 AM
Pontiac Game Changing Performance results to be announced tonight at halftime of the BCS Championship Game on FOX (telecast starts at 7pm Central).

Go Trinity ... beat Appalachian State, Alabama, and Auburn!!

(might never get to write that again!)

;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gogetit9 on January 07, 2008, 01:59:40 PM
TigerDad-

Any whispers down there about Mohr looking at Wabash or Capital HC jobs?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2008, 02:29:06 PM
Quote from: gogetit9 on January 07, 2008, 01:59:40 PM
TigerDad-

Any whispers down there about Mohr looking at Wabash or Capital HC jobs?
Wow! January 7th and the off-season banter about where Coach Mohr is going is already starting!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 07, 2008, 04:24:39 PM
"Down there"?  Sorry, no rumor mill audible from my house ... I live 90 miles away from San Antonio.  You'll have to investigate that one yourself.

I hear Roger Clemens was in the Mitchell Report ... does that help?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 07, 2008, 10:00:34 PM
TRINITY WON !!!!   WOOOOO  HOOOOO !!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 07, 2008, 10:00:53 PM
https://r.espn.go.com/espn/contests/07GameChangingPerformance/index?cmp=ncaavanurl
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 07, 2008, 10:01:10 PM
TRINITY WINS PONTIAC GAME CHANGING PERFORMANCE OF THE YEAR!

D-3 RULES!

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 07, 2008, 10:24:20 PM
YEA!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Olinemom on January 07, 2008, 10:24:54 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on January 07, 2008, 10:01:10 PM
TRINITY WINS PONTIAC GAME CHANGING PERFORMANCE OF THE YEAR!

D-3 RULES!

;D
U R rite!!!!!
Trinity won the money  for the best play from Pontiac.com.  Way to go d3football enthusiasts!!  It 's great to see the support for d3 football, isn't it?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KitchenSink on January 07, 2008, 10:35:03 PM
Congrats, Trinity.  I voted as often as I could, on as many computers as I could.  Had my wife vote Trinity, too.

That's win for all of D3.  Wear that banner proudly, Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Teamski on January 07, 2008, 11:22:00 PM
Congratulations to Trinity for winning the $100,000!!!!  Way to go!!

-Ski
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Browneagle64 on January 08, 2008, 12:32:55 AM
Way to go Trinity and co.

Indeed, wear your banner proudly and enjoy the national spotlight. Hope to see some of you guys out here in L.A. this upcoming summer when you get your ESPY as well. 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: dutchfan1 on January 08, 2008, 11:32:59 AM
Congrats, Trinity! What an amazing play! (I voted for it a few times) I'm glad a D3 school won the Pontiac Game Changing Performance!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on January 08, 2008, 01:02:01 PM
Great Bowl season

Mount Union lost They r so great..i got to chear against them)

The SEC was dominant in the Bowl games (7-2...and LSU dominated
the yankee school... uh... any present company excluded of course)

Auburn won

TRINITY WON THE PONTIAC game changing play...... AWESOME !!!!


unfortunatly alabama which won (but that helped the SEC...so i will let it pass)

way to go TRINITY......everyone in my family voted as often as possible ;D

Keep the Faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 08, 2008, 05:18:31 PM

I read where Trinity must share the $100,000 with SCAC member schools... ;)

Congratulations to the Tigers...it was pretty cool to see Trinity and DIII get the nod...even after those promos that were blatantly slanted!


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 08, 2008, 05:33:46 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 08, 2008, 05:18:31 PM

I read where Trinity must share the $100,000 with SCAC member schools... ;)

Congratulations to the Tigers...it was pretty cool to see Trinity and DIII get the nod...even after those promos that were blatantly slanted!
Millsaps ought to get at least half of it.  They made it possible!   :D  ::)  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 08, 2008, 06:11:54 PM
QuoteMillsaps ought to get at least half of it.  They made it possible!   

Very good point!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on January 10, 2008, 09:07:26 PM
Other finalists were:

Appalachian State's blocking a field goal and upsetting Michigan 34-32 on Sept. 1 at Ann Arbor, Mich.
Alabama's touchdown pass in the final seconds to defeat Arkansas 41-38 on Sept. 15 at Tuscaloosa, Ala.
Auburn's game-winning field goal and the 20-17 upset of Florida on Sept. 29 at Gainesville, Fla.

Hmmm, Ralph, do you really think that App State should have shared with Michigan, or Ala shared with Ark., or Auburn with Fla.?  I don't think Millsaps is suffering from all the free pub!  As far as I'm concerned, the Tigers earned it!  And TU general scholarship fund benefits. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 10, 2008, 09:16:56 PM
Quote from: historymajor on January 10, 2008, 09:07:26 PM
Other finalists were:

Appalachian State's blocking a field goal and upsetting Michigan 34-32 on Sept. 1 at Ann Arbor, Mich.
Alabama's touchdown pass in the final seconds to defeat Arkansas 41-38 on Sept. 15 at Tuscaloosa, Ala.
Auburn's game-winning field goal and the 20-17 upset of Florida on Sept. 29 at Gainesville, Fla.

Hmmm, Ralph, do you really think that App State should have shared with Michigan, or Ala shared with Ark., or Auburn with Fla.?  I don't think Millsaps is suffering from all the free pub!  As far as I'm concerned, the Tigers earned it!  And TU general scholarship fund benefits. 

:D :D :D
$100,000 goes farther at Appalachian State than it does Michigan, Millsaps, Trinity or any of the other schools!    ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 12, 2008, 05:56:07 AM
Shameless (non-profit) plug for the PAWS e-Store selling merchandise (t-shirts and coffee mugs) related to the "Miracle in Mississippi" 15-lateral play:

http://www.shop.trinitymiracle.com

All profits will be used by Trinity P.arents and A.lumni W.ith S.pirit football booster organization to support the Trinity Tiger football program ... including players' equipment, excess travel expenses, web video- and audio-casts, banquet and awards, etc.

When Trinity won the Pontiac GCP contest on Monday night, our website orders TRIPLED in two days ... it's been a very busy week!


Note to mods: I will remove this "advertisement" if y'all think it's inappropriate ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2008, 06:29:41 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on January 12, 2008, 05:56:07 AM
...
When Trinity won the Pontiac GCP contest on Monday night, our website orders TRIPLED in two days ... it's been a very busy week!
...
For a limited time only, the next person to place a web site order will have contributed to QUADRUPLED sales from the web site.

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 12, 2008, 10:15:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2008, 06:29:41 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on January 12, 2008, 05:56:07 AM
...
When Trinity won the Pontiac GCP contest on Monday night, our website orders TRIPLED in two days ... it's been a very busy week!
...
For a limited time only, the next person to place a web site order will have contributed to QUADRUPLED sales from the web site.

;D

Very few things have made me laugh out loud recently.  But, this was one of them.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 16, 2008, 09:37:00 PM
Haven't checked the board lately.  e-Store sales topped $12,000 today ... over 180 orders in the past 7 days ... average order value hovering near $50.  Hope to write a nice check for the P.A.W.S. program next week.

Hall of Fame?  All American?  Seems like Junior Varsity to me (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.d3sports.com%2Fpost%2FThemes%2Fclassic%2Fimages%2Fstar.gif&hash=7156650d32b0ea8d2408ac627781f49022283723)
Virtual -1 K.

Oh, never mind.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 17, 2008, 05:19:56 PM
Steve Argo, the only full-time commissioner the SCAC has ever had, resigned today (http://www.scac-online.org/argoresigns.htm).   Current associate commissioner Dwayne Hanberry has been appointed interim commissioner.

Trinity AD Bob King has been named to a four-year term (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/King_ChComm.htm) on the nine-member NCAA Division III Championships Committee, which supervises qualification and selection procedures for all Division III championships, as well as overseeing administrative issues related to the events.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on January 17, 2008, 05:45:40 PM
Congrats to Trinity on the Pontiac Game Changing Performance.  Perhaps the best play I've ever seen in my life (and I was one of the 2,000 or so people to see it live).

About sharing the money with Millsaps???  I don't think so.  I wish I could get half of $100,000 for 62 seconds of "getting caught with my pants down."  Trinity deserves the money.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 19, 2008, 10:36:57 AM
My son got a kick out of the "got laterals?" coffee mug that was on Coach Mohr's desk yesterday.  It even looked like a decent sized mug.  I really hate wimpy undersized coffee mugs.  By all that right and holy, I want to put at least 2-3 cups of coffee into a mug.  The namby-pamby expresso-sized mugs that others sell are just an insult to java-heads everywhere. 

Time for my 2nd HUGE cup of coffee this AM.  Peace out. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 20, 2008, 06:41:38 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Texas vs. The Nation All-Star Game)

Trinity's senior quarterback Blake Barmore has been selected to play for the Texas Team in the 2nd Annual Texas vs. The Nation All-Star Game on Feb. 2nd at the Sun Bowl in El Paso. The Texas Team will be coached by Gene Stallings, and The Nation will be coached by Buddy Ryan. The game is expected to draw approx. 40,000 fans(?); 10,000 tickets were given by the sponsors to be used by the troops at Fort Bliss, TX. National television coverage will be on CSTV.

                                                                             :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 24, 2008, 09:35:37 PM
Buehler?    Buehler?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on January 24, 2008, 09:40:41 PM
Fry?     Fry?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 26, 2008, 08:57:53 PM
So, when's football start again?   ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 28, 2008, 03:15:21 PM
Tex ... just added Trinity's 2008 Football Schedule to the PAWS website here:
http://www.pawsfootball.com. 

TU's first game is Sept 6th ... they host McMurry University ... McM replaced ETBU on Trinity's otherwise unchanged but opposite-venue-from-2007 schedule.  If you get what I mean.

Ralph, will you be joining us in S.A. that weekend?
__________________________________________________

2008 TRINITY UNIVERSITY TIGERS FOOTBALL SCHEDULE

Sep 06  McMURRY UNIVERSITY                 6:00 PM
Sep 13  @ Texas Lutheran University        6:00 PM
Sep 20  open      -
Sep 27  @ Colorado College *               1:00 PM
Oct 04  @ Birmingham Southern College *   12:00 PM
Oct 11  RHODES COLLEGE *                   1:30 PM
Oct 18  DEPAUW UNIVERSITY *                1:30 PM
Oct 25  @ University of the South *        1:30 PM
Nov 01  MILLSAPS COLLEGE *                 1:30 PM
Nov 08  @ Centre College *                 1:30 PM
Nov 15  AUSTIN COLLEGE *                   1:30 PM

    HOME GAMES IN CAPS     * = SCAC Conference
__________________________________________________
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 28, 2008, 04:43:12 PM
You've inspired me, TigerDad.

No changes to DePauw's schedule.  Open date in the first week, followed by Anderson.

9/13  vs. Anderson   
9/20  at Centre 
9/27 vs. Sewanee
10/4  at Millsaps   
10/11 vs.Birmingham-Southern
10/18 at Trinity   
10/25 vs. Colorado College   
11/1  at Austin   
11/8  vs. Rhodes   
11/15 at Wabash 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 28, 2008, 09:15:18 PM
Okay, I'm ready.  Is it September yet?   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on January 28, 2008, 10:07:35 PM
Jason Hunt of Trinity was selected in the 22nd Round of the newly launched All-American Football League.  It's a new professional league which stipulates that all players must have completed four years of college eligibility and received a degree.  Kind of an anti-XFL I guess.

They are putting franchises in traditional college football hotbeds (and stadiums) like Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, Michigan, Alabama and Florida.

Hunt was picked by the Texas team.

http://www.allamericanfootballleague.com/2008_AAFL_Draft_Round_by_Round.pdf
http://www.allamericanfootballleague.com/index.php
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2008, 01:12:00 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on January 28, 2008, 03:15:21 PM
Tex ... just added Trinity's 2008 Football Schedule to the PAWS website here:
http://www.pawsfootball.com.  TU's first game is Sept 6th ... they host McMurry University ... McM replaced ETBU on Trinity's otherwise unchanged but opposite-venue-from-2007 schedule.  If you get what I mean.

Ralph, will you be joining us in S.A. that weekend?
I have to put that one on my schedule!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2008, 02:20:18 PM
And, good lord willing, my wife and I will have relocated from Dallas to Austin by then and I will be able to be there, too. 

That is, if these winds we are having today don't tear the roof off the house.  Several shingles are already gone.   >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 29, 2008, 04:19:41 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2008, 02:20:18 PM
And, good lord willing, my wife and I will have relocated from Dallas to Austin by then and I will be able to be there, too. 

You're moving to Austin? Damn! I envy y'all ....  :( *

----------------

* I'm still stuck [forever] in Pennsylvania where there's no edible Tex-Mex.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 29, 2008, 06:11:33 PM

John Jenkins is the head coach of the Texas team? :o

He had a rather hard fall from grace as The Houston Cougars head coach that I believe included splicing the game film with provocative material.  I think there were also some recruiting issues.

That surprises me for a league that seems to want to promote virtues such as completing education. 

I could be wrong.  Does anyone know?  Besides, the run and shoot isn't famous for winning many championships.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 30, 2008, 10:09:35 AM
For a further exercise in humor, check out what the Coogs graduation rate was when Jenkins was there.  This concept of having players with degrees will be quite foreign to him.  Maybe he can slip in a few Macintosh commercials into his game film now and appeal to their more creative, intellectual side?  Maybe some stock market updates? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 30, 2008, 12:44:56 PM
 
Quote2008 TRINITY UNIVERSITY TIGERS FOOTBALL SCHEDULE

Sep 06  McMURRY UNIVERSITY                 6:00 PM
Sep 13  @ Texas Lutheran University        6:00 PM
Sep 20  open      -
Sep 27  @ Colorado College *               1:00 PM
Oct 04  @ Birmingham Southern College *   12:00 PM
Oct 11  RHODES COLLEGE *                   1:30 PM
Oct 18  DEPAUW UNIVERSITY *                1:30 PM
Oct 25  @ University of the South *        1:30 PM
Nov 01  MILLSAPS COLLEGE *                 1:30 PM
Nov 08  @ Centre College *                 1:30 PM
Nov 15  AUSTIN COLLEGE *                   1:30 PM

    HOME GAMES IN CAPS     * = SCAC Conference

PREDICTIONS?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 30, 2008, 07:38:13 PM
I won't go any less than 9-1 with their schedule.  They have the two toughest teams on their schedule (Millsaps and DePauw) at home. 

By the way, they haven't lost an SCAC game at home in this century.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on January 30, 2008, 09:22:20 PM
Wes,

Love the confidence.  I think that last team on your schedule is decent, especially at their place.  Nowhere near a Trinity nor a Milsaps though.

Did Marks graduate?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 30, 2008, 11:35:43 PM
Wasn't Wes saying it was Trinity that would be 9-1, not DPU?  The back-to-back games at Colorado College and then BSC are going to be tough.  BSC challenged some teams in their initial effort and they are going to be a solid unit next season. 

That Millsaps game in SA is going to be nothing but intense.  Having to hear about "the play" for a year and knowing they have a chance to finally stop the Trinity home D3 regular season streak is just gonna add fuel to the fire.

BTW we ended up losing about 20 shingles Tuesday.  Hopefully the guy gets the repairs done before the NEXT front comes thru tomorrow, tho the gusts will only be 40mph, not 60mph as they were. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 31, 2008, 09:21:35 AM
Yes, I was actually referring to the Trinity Tigers, BB.  DPUFan asked for predictions on Trinity's schedule, and I provided one.

As far as DePauw goes, they've got a very tough row to hoe in 2008.  @ Trinity, @ Millsaps, @ Wabash and that's just the start. Does good Rhodes or bad Rhodes come to Greencastle?  What does Birmingham do next year? 

You saw about two games worth of what DePauw could do at 100% in 2007.  The blew out Anderson in the opener and beat the #9 team in the country at the end of the year.  They've got plenty to build on.

Could go a lot of different ways for DePauw depending on how good the recruiting class is.  Rumor is that they've just about got the running back problem solved.  Thanks for your help though, BB!  Shouldn't you be busy with your coaching search?  Surely you don't have time to troll the SCAC board looking for bulletin board material.

EDIT:
Quote from: BashBacker#16 on January 30, 2008, 09:22:20 PM
I think that last team on your schedule is decent, especially at their place. 

Also, I would expect you to know by now that the record for the home team in a Bell game is 52-49-8.  Speaking of, DePauw has won 4 of 6 at your place.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on January 31, 2008, 10:34:52 AM
Wes,

My bad, read that as DPU prediction.

4 of 6...yikes, that may be a tricky snapshot though...Creighton was 3-1 with his only home Bell loss to Billy Lynch in '03.   I'd rather say DPU has lost the last 3 of 4 at Wabash.   ;D

Coaching Search should be about complete.  Breaking news:  Our baseball coach was offered but is pondering the offer...   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 31, 2008, 01:33:47 PM
Well, you've confused the heck out of me, bubba.  Not sure which game you thought you guys won, but the LGs have only won 2 home Bell games since 2000, those coming in the blowout of 2002 and the mud bowl of 2006. 

In games played in Crawfordsville (that happens in even numbered years, counting backwards), Wabash won in 06.  DePauw won in 04.  Wabash won in 02.  DePauw won in 2000, 98, and 96.  I count 4 out of 6 for the Old Gold.

Hard for me to see your 3 out of 4 in there.  3 2 out of 3 is correct, though.  Now if you want to talk Greencastle as the site, that's a different story.  Wabash has 6 of the last 9 played at Blackstock.

All that said, it ain't going be worth a darned thing on the 15th of November when your new coach brings what I expect to be the 9-0 Little Giants into the Bell game.

Probably a good idea if your baseball coach doesn't take the gig, too.  He can't beat DePauw if his life depended on it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on January 31, 2008, 01:33:47 PM
Probably a good idea if your baseball coach doesn't take the gig, too.  He can't beat DePauw if his life depended on it.

OK, I cringe at a lot of the DePauw/Wabash back and forth but I found this line funny.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 31, 2008, 01:57:08 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 01:49:01 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on January 31, 2008, 01:33:47 PM
Probably a good idea if your baseball coach doesn't take the gig, too.  He can't beat DePauw if his life depended on it.

OK, I cringe at a lot of the DePauw/Wabash back and forth but I found this line funny.

That one stings...Wabash hasn't beaten DPU on a baseball diamond since I was a student.   :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 31, 2008, 02:14:07 PM
I kid, I kid.  All meant in jest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 02:55:54 PM
Oh, see, I thought he was suggesting your baseball coach coach the football team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 31, 2008, 03:13:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 31, 2008, 02:55:54 PM
Oh, see, I thought he was suggesting your baseball coach coach the football team.

No, no.  It's either 15 or 16 in a row for Tiger baseball, I think.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on January 31, 2008, 03:52:09 PM
Wes - good one brother.  Can you tell I was not a Math major?  Ha.

...back to our coaching search...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 31, 2008, 08:24:37 PM
QuoteYou saw about two games worth of what DePauw could do at 100% in 2007.  The blew out Anderson in the opener and beat the #9 team in the country at the end of the year.  They've got plenty to build on.

Wes---
I would add Centre (game3) to that list. Tigers rolled 38-7 with starters playing 3 quarters. I believe that was the game in which Marks got hurt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Werner99 on February 01, 2008, 12:35:04 PM
FYI- It appears that a VP from Trinity,  Michael Fischer, is one of the finalists to be president at DPU:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=20865

Can anyone offer any insights on Mr. Fischer?  How interactive was he with students?  How strong of a leader is he?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2008, 05:03:06 PM
Quote from: Werner99 on February 01, 2008, 12:35:04 PM
FYI- It appears that a VP from Trinity,  Michael Fischer, is one of the finalists to be president at DPU:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=20865

Can anyone offer any insights on Mr. Fischer?  How interactive was he with students?  How strong of a leader is he?
Will he bring Coach Mohr along with him to improve the quality of the football team?   :D :D :D   ;D   8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on February 02, 2008, 12:37:27 PM
QuoteWes---
I would add Centre (game3) to that list. Tigers rolled 38-7 with starters playing 3 quarters. I believe that was the game in which Marks got hurt.

I was at that game and DePauw's offense really had their way with a defense I didn't think was all that bad...seemed to have some talent at linebacker and in the defensive backfield.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 02, 2008, 12:39:56 PM
agreed...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on February 03, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Wes

You said DePauw had there running back situation solved.  How ?  Any insights on their recruiting ?
Title: BARMORE IN ALL STAR GAME
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 03, 2008, 03:42:13 PM
Did Blake Barmore get any PT in the Texas Vs. Nation All Star Game? Saw he was selected...and was just watching a little bit of the replay on CSTV. In any event he's a talented kid who had a really good career. As a DPU fan, glad he's gone...but wish him the best in the future...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 03, 2008, 10:20:13 PM
How 'bout that superbowl?  Gotta love the underdog!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 03, 2008, 11:16:15 PM
QuoteHow 'bout that superbowl?  Gotta love the underdog!

FANTASTIC....

How long to you think it will take the 'chowds to start coming up with excuses.  TONIGHT, the better team won...the G-Men were tougher and made plays when they needed them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 04, 2008, 12:10:13 PM
Quote from: Fripp52 on February 03, 2008, 09:07:01 AM
Wes

You said DePauw had there running back situation solved.  How ?  Any insights on their recruiting ?

No comment.  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: INQBScout on February 04, 2008, 08:37:00 PM
Did anyone see if Trinity's Blake Barmore got any action in the Texa vs. The Nation All Star game this weekend?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 04, 2008, 09:52:49 PM
Quote from: INQBScout on February 04, 2008, 08:37:00 PM
Did anyone see if Trinity's Blake Barmore got any action in the Texa vs. The Nation All Star game this weekend?

It appears that he did not. 

http://texasvsthenation.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/020208aac.html

You can peruse the box if you like, but his name does not appear.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 04, 2008, 10:13:18 PM
Thanks, Wes...I watched that game for a bit yesterday on CSTV. The Texas rosetr must be made up of college kids from TX and those who grew up there, too...think I saw a QB from Colorado State on the Texas team...anyway, it sounds like the game got some financial backing and is going to be back for a few years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tutiger on February 05, 2008, 12:17:02 AM
What's up with Barmore not playing in the Texas vs. The Nation game?  Anyone know if he was injured or something?  How are you going to have such a lopsided victory and not play every player on your bench in an All-Star game?  If he was able-bodied and still didn't get on to the field, that's pretty bush league to not play him.  Any insight?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 05, 2008, 12:51:56 AM
I'm suprised the best QB on either roster wasn't the starter.  The Nation's Blake Mitchell from South Carolina barely played and Texas's Matt Flynn from LSU didn't play at all. 

I mean, what's the point of having such a game with big names like that on the roster if they aren't going to play?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 05, 2008, 08:36:41 AM
Basically you have an all-star game post season.  In most of these type events, the idea is to showcase talent and have a good time that week.  To be invited was actually quite an honor.  To have had playing time, would have been deserved icing on the cake.  To be up by 30 points and not be rotating in everyone is a real crime. 

Two things to consider would be a possible injury or the coaching staff ego.  I can't address either. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on February 05, 2008, 11:42:40 AM
Barmore pulled a hammy the week before he was to report to training camp and was unable to perform.  Instead of hogging a spot, he called the organizers and they were able to substitute another player.  Classy move by Blake.

Hope he will get a shot at a tryout at the next level ... he's big enough, smart enough and (I think) good enough to play pro ball if given the chance. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 05, 2008, 02:45:22 PM
QuoteBarmore pulled a hammy the week before he was to report to training camp and was unable to perform.  Instead of hogging a spot, he called the organizers and they were able to substitute another player.  Classy move by Blake.

Hope he will get a shot at a tryout at the next level ... he's big enough, smart enough and (I think) good enough to play pro ball if given the chance.   

Sorry to hear that. I've enjoyed watching him play---even for all of the pain he has inflicted upon the Indiana Tigers.  :'( ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on February 07, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
Hey Wes,  You intimate that DPU has "solved" its running back problem. What happened, did the fullback finally stop seeing double and throwing up after Pynenberg's hit at the Bell? ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on February 07, 2008, 07:10:55 PM
Quote from: wab64 on February 07, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
Hey Wes,  You intimate that DPU has "solved" its running back problem. What happened, did the fullback finally stop seeing double and throwing up after Pynenberg's hit at the Bell? ???

First... that fullback graduated.

Second... 24-21.

Thirdly... DPU was able to get some underclassmen some PT while Marks was out with injury last year. Obviously you can't replace the best RB in the history of the program, but there are some guys with some ability and experience back there and they'll produce while Spud Dick's not slinging it all over the place.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 07, 2008, 07:30:39 PM
Quote from: wab64 on February 07, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
Hey Wes,  You intimate that DPU has "solved" its running back problem. What happened, did the fullback finally stop seeing double and throwing up after Pynenberg's hit at the Bell? ???

Easy there.  You're starting to make the natives restless. my friend.  No worries.  Clax got that ringing out of his ears when that Monon Bell starting ringing.

You know, I'm obviously not Matt Walker or O.C. Dustin Ward, but with Marks gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of a shift in the offensive gameplan in 2008.  You've got a weapon at QB, you've got great weapons on the outside, as well.  I'd open it up a little bit.  Plus, there's plenty of experienced RB depth already there if you're only looking to get 15 or 18 carries out of your RB.  But, I get paid to write 1000 words a week.  I don't get paid to write the playbook. 

Although, if that game changer does indeed come, DePauw may do nothing of that sort.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 07, 2008, 08:00:02 PM
QuoteNo worries.  Clax got that ringing out of his ears when that Monon Bell starting ringing.
;D ;D

good one...

a bit odd to have a Wabash guy poking fun about anyone's running game....especially a team that manhandled the LG's on the line of scrimmage and ran quite well as I recall...

...it was a good hit at the goal line, I'll give you that... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 08, 2008, 11:05:48 PM

Millsaps fans,

Is there something going on up there?  Are y'all moving up?  The Times-Picayune posted a list on Thursday of the New Orleans area's top prospects and the schools with which they signed.  The name escapes me but a kid 6-2 240 pound DE from O Perry Walker high school "signed" with Millsaps.  I think that's a first for a SCAC school making that list. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 09, 2008, 01:24:35 PM
Have any of you guys been keeping up with the story about the HS senior in Nevada that essentially "faked" his entire recruitment, all the way to having a presser at the HS gym with media and students in attendance and selecting a Cal ball cap off the table?  Turns out none of the teams that he said "offered" hardly even knew who the kid even was.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3236039

The writer makes a great point... where were the adults in all this?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 09, 2008, 04:48:02 PM
Could Joey Jones be "one and done" at BSC?

http://www.al.com/sports/press-register/index.ssf?/base/sports/1202465734321030.xml&coll=3 (http://www.al.com/sports/press-register/index.ssf?/base/sports/1202465734321030.xml&coll=3)

He has said that he would never want to go through building a program from scratch again but he is obviously reconsidering that.  At least at D-1, he would have scholarships and more money to work with.  We sure would hate to lose him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 09, 2008, 05:34:40 PM
QuoteCould Joey Jones be "one and done" at BSC?

Wow----

Interesting article. I wonder why the guy from USF turned it down after accepting?
I would think for a guy at a DIII school, the pay differential alone would make it quite attractive....



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2008, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: Tex on February 09, 2008, 01:24:35 PM
...
The writer makes a great point... where were the adults in all this?
Tex, I don't think that the young man has a "Dad" like you or Bill McCabe or historymajor...

:(  :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 09, 2008, 07:52:27 PM
Looking at the salary offered, it would be hard for any D-III coach not to be interested. Wow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 09, 2008, 08:09:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 09, 2008, 07:01:28 PM
Quote from: Tex on February 09, 2008, 01:24:35 PM
...
The writer makes a great point... where were the adults in all this?
Tex, I don't think that the young man has a "Dad" like you or Bill McCabe or historymajor...

:(  :'(

Thank you, but what about his coach?  When I was coaching, we always knew who was serious about our players.  Before any school offers a schollie, they're going to talk to the head coach.  Where was this kid's Hc?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on February 09, 2008, 09:14:33 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 07, 2008, 07:30:39 PM
Quote from: wab64 on February 07, 2008, 07:00:17 PM
Hey Wes,  You intimate that DPU has "solved" its running back problem. What happened, did the fullback finally stop seeing double and throwing up after Pynenberg's hit at the Bell? ???

Easy there.  You're starting to make the natives restless. my friend.  No worries.  Clax got that ringing out of his ears when that Monon Bell starting ringing.

You know, I'm obviously not Matt Walker or O.C. Dustin Ward, but with Marks gone, I wouldn't be surprised to see a bit of a shift in the offensive gameplan in 2008.  You've got a weapon at QB, you've got great weapons on the outside, as well.  I'd open it up a little bit.  Plus, there's plenty of experienced RB depth already there if you're only looking to get 15 or 18 carries out of your RB.  But, I get paid to write 1000 words a week.  I don't get paid to write the playbook. 

Although, if that game changer does indeed come, DePauw may do nothing of that sort.
Wes- your reply about Claxton was positively lyrical- get it together and start your definitive history- there are few with your passion and balance who could do it justice. The prognostication of the future is remarkably close to the vest as well as being what we used to call in the Army a SWAG- systematic wil-a** guess. See you in Crawfordsville>
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 09, 2008, 09:34:31 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on February 08, 2008, 11:05:48 PM

Millsaps fans,

Is there something going on up there?  Are y'all moving up?  The Times-Picayune posted a list on Thursday of the New Orleans area's top prospects and the schools with which they signed.  The name escapes me but a kid 6-2 240 pound DE from O Perry Walker high school "signed" with Millsaps.  I think that's a first for a SCAC school making that list. 

Coach DuBose tells the players each year that they have two goals--win the SCAC championship and then win the NCAA championship.  My impression is that the second goal is not some pie in the sky hoopla, but something they are seriously trying to achieve. To do that they need to get the kids who could play at a D1 or D2 school, but choose to play D3 while getting a great education.    

In a football related note, two Millsaps linebackers made it into the lineup for the baseball team this afternoon.  Freshman Will Hawkins pinch hit and drove in the game winning run with a double and Ronnie Wheat was a late inning defensive replacement in the outfield.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 10, 2008, 09:48:52 PM

People have been saying for quite a while that the college game gets closer to the pro game every year.  Well the same is true for high school getting closer to the college game every year.  Not that everyone here didn't know that, but these ridiculous press conferences to announce signings are happening more and more often, and this year they have been particularly bizarre.  I laughed and laughed when Ben Ganus had a media event signing for Huntingdon College two years ago, but it's just not funny anymore.  Check out this Florida School District publication.  Jacksonville University is an FCS non-scholarship school in the Pioneer League, which is a non-scholarship conference.  They aren't Division III, but they specifically do not give football scholarships, just all the other sports.  There's a packed gymnasium, his whole extended family is there, and it says in big letters something that is just terribly untrue. 

http://www.chipleybugle.com/localnewsfeb08/laster-jacksonville.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 10, 2008, 10:08:59 PM
The "family photo" has a photo shop look to it with the guy in the black hoodie sweatshirt.  He's got a funny look on his face. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on February 10, 2008, 10:21:46 PM
Tu2694

"I laughed and laughed when Ben Ganus had a media event signing for Huntingdon College two years ago, but it's just not funny anymore."

was it a 'MEDIA event' or a signing party... like the one that happens every year at the O-A news... with alll the kids pictures in the paper  ?.... from 14 highschools in our general area ...

last wk.... 21 kids  in opelika at tha O-A news office D1=>D-3 + NAIA

last yr ~32 kids, 6 D-3 to 3 different colleges

just curious what u define as a media event ?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 10, 2008, 10:52:53 PM
Quote from: AF4 on February 10, 2008, 10:21:46 PM
Tu2694

"I laughed and laughed when Ben Ganus had a media event signing for Huntingdon College two years ago, but it's just not funny anymore."

was it a 'MEDIA event' or a signing party... like the one that happens every year at the O-A news... with all the kids pictures in the paper  ?.... from 14 high schools in our general area ...

last wk.... 21 kids  in opelika at tha O-A news office D1=>D-3 + NAIA

last yr ~32 kids, 6 D-3 to 3 different colleges

just curious what u define as a media event ?
I had my Mom take a picture of me with her Kodak Instamatic in our den as I signed my academic scholarship to McMurry.  I got one paragraph on page 9B in the Waco Tribune-Herald!  ;D

Mom was (and is) proud of me.  (And I am proud of my Mom.)   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on February 10, 2008, 11:23:10 PM
"I had my Mom take a picture of me with her Kodak Instamatic in our den as I signed my academic scholarship to McMurry.  I got one paragraph on page 9B in the Waco Tribune-Herald!" 


i didn't even get that ... uh in 1971... when i signed to play at austin peay

i played junior high and highschool ball with kids that  went on to play at UGA, Ga Tech, UT (the one in noxville), USC (the one in south carolina), Gardner Webb, delta state.
.. i was the least impressive and got the least aid  (D-2 could give partials then ..and now)... but none of us even got in the paper....i keep up...kinda .. with all of the ones still living... and i think i got at least...as much out of my education as any of the others... maybe

things r different now...  but i would have liked to have gotten in the news paper

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2008, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on February 09, 2008, 04:48:02 PM
Could Joey Jones be "one and done" at BSC?

http://www.al.com/sports/press-register/index.ssf?/base/sports/1202465734321030.xml&coll=3 (http://www.al.com/sports/press-register/index.ssf?/base/sports/1202465734321030.xml&coll=3)

He has said that he would never want to go through building a program from scratch again but he is obviously reconsidering that.  At least at D-1, he would have scholarships and more money to work with.  We sure would hate to lose him.

Holey moley.  I have a great deal of respect for Coach Jones but for a D-I school to be offering him a shot at the big seat after one year of D3 experience seems a bit out there.   All the best in any case to Coach Jones; you would hate to see him go to a situation where he would not have much of a chance for success which is kinda how I read the first choice turning USA down.

On another topic, re the signing ceremonies, you can't really blame the schools who want as many kids to have that experience as possible.  And a lot of the local papers don't realize that the kid going to the D3 school is signing a financial aid/scholarship offer that is independent of the kid's choice to play sports.  I cringe every time I see some McKinney kid "signing" with a D3 college in the local paper but they don't want to hear about it (yes. I tried). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 11, 2008, 08:46:00 PM

I'm sorry AF4, I don't know where you're located.  The O-A?  Help me out.  What you're describing doesn't sound too bad. 

When a kid is flanked by his parents and his principal with a background hung behind them that is covered with the school's logo, and the signee is wearing the baseball hat of the school with which he "signed," not to mention the newspaper publishes both the picture and an attached article stating that he signed a football scholarship, I call that a media event.  Given that it was only him, I think that exempts it from party status, plus the only thing he had to sign was the deposit to secure his place, which his parents probably signed in truth.  I suppose there was a made up document there for him. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 11, 2008, 08:49:21 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on February 11, 2008, 08:46:00 PM

I'm sorry AF4, I don't know where you're located.  The O-A?  Help me out.  What you're describing doesn't sound too bad. 
...

O-A...

The Opelika-Auburn News
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on February 11, 2008, 09:52:20 PM
Ralph (as usual) nailed it Opelika- Auburn news


TU2695
we must agree to disagree..

last week there were pictures of 21 kids like u describbed in the O-A news
5 were for D-1, 11 were for D-1FCS, 1 was for D-2, and 4 were for D-3

last yr it was like this yr... and the yr before...and...uh

the d-3 and naia (last yr) were treated like the D1, D1fcs, & D-2 kids..all kids from each school signing somthing.... with thier coach and parents flanked on each side... in some cases... (where 5 kids from a particular highschool got an athletic or other aid to play  in college)  .... a bunch of parents in a single picture...with sitting kids flanked by coaches..

so ...a media event... if that is what u consider media event... then it is a media event...i guess it is real real common here in east alabama...and west georgia

... i saw an article in the Montgomery that was real similar... Valley times... i could go on... La Grange ga paper

what they r called here...at least for the ~12 highschools in lee county alabama...is a signing party

i don't no...but i'd bet that is what  ben ganus did... but... i'll ask him to b sure... next time i'm in montgomery...

b good and keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 11, 2008, 11:02:39 PM

You don't have a problem with a kid being reported to everyone that he received a football scholarship when in fact he did not?  I additionally have a real problem with the principal endorsing that.  You know that someone from Gulf Breeze High School actually did get merit scholarship to somewhere that year.  Even if it is a community college, at least that's something.  Deciding to play d3 football gives you nothing but an offseason program and an earlier reporting date. 

Maybe it's a regional thing.  I noticed that Huntingdon does way more in the way of media relations for football than most d3 programs.  Certainly more than my alma mater anyway.  They have an extensive game day program as well as "Hawk Talk."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on February 12, 2008, 11:20:27 AM
"You don't have a problem with a kid being reported to everyone that he received a football scholarship when in fact he did not?  "

TU2698

it is not reported falsely around here.......... but at least here in east al..and it appears in west ga... it is not represented as a athletic scholarship... it is ...for D-3... represented as agreeing to play... but any scholarship money they get also reported.....as to the type... not in the same article...but when they r about to graduate

at the boys highschool graduation (occasionally we call him son) the principal made great pains to point out (as did the news paper) he was going to college on an academic scholarship...as D-3 does not give athletic  scholarships... but he had agreed to play football...i was much prouder of the academic stuff than him ever playing football

as is the case in our local papers... the amt of the scholarship is reported (a bragging point for the local highschools.... per haps crass....but hay...we r in alabama)... it was neat in that the amts that were rept for the 3 D-3 schools were higher than many of the D-2 or NAIA schools...although ... none of the D-3 ' were athletic

at least in the local papers... i think someone would have to b just gloss over the articles to not notice the difference....

last yr..in the O-A news (opelika auburn) it had the kids who were invited walk ons at troy and auburn ..also...
again last yr... pictures of the kids going to Huntingdon and Miss Col and Faulkner (naia) were included

but .. we can agree to disagree... or it is very possible that we r speaking of 2 different thangs...

b good & keep the faith 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 12, 2008, 02:57:43 PM
A Joey Jones update:

http://www.al.com/sports/press-register/index.ssf?/base/sports/120282396873540.xml&coll=3 (http://www.al.com/sports/press-register/index.ssf?/base/sports/120282396873540.xml&coll=3)

It sounds like Mickey Matthews has the better credentials but Jones is the homeboy.  I'm pulling for Matthews 'cause I don't want to lose Jones after just one season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on February 12, 2008, 05:03:13 PM
joey jones would b an excellent coach at ANY level

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 12, 2008, 05:17:54 PM
Quote from: AF4 on February 12, 2008, 05:03:13 PM
joey jones would b an excellent coach at ANY level

keep the faith

I certainly agree, and I have never held any illusions that Joey Jones would stay at BSC for a long time.  I would like for him to at least stay long enough to see his first freshman class all the way through school.  I feel that way because there are so many freshmen and, selfishly, because my son is one of them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 12, 2008, 07:06:50 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on February 12, 2008, 05:17:54 PM


I certainly agree, and I have never held any illusions that Joey Jones would stay at BSC for a long time.  I would like for him to at least stay long enough to see his first freshman class all the way through school.  I feel that way because there are so many freshmen and, selfishly, because my son is one of them.

Agreed.  That would be a "nice" scenario for the current players.  I guess the reality of college football at any level is that you just have to pick the school because you like the school.  No guarantees to any player, any level, that their coach will be there the entire time.

On the flip side, as a parent, you get comfortable with the coach that your son is to play for.  We parents evaluate the man who will be sheparding our sons for 4 years.  That was a really big concern for my wife and I.  And in our case, it doesn't appear Coach Mohr will be going anywhere any time soon, but hey... you never know how these things are going to work out. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 12, 2008, 09:13:48 PM
I'm surprised s.alabama doesn't hire jeff bower, he would seem like a perfect fit for them. As for BSC, guess they could go after Jeff Rutledge or maybe they should call jeff bower. Than again, maybe the big name types don't work at the D3 level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 12, 2008, 09:23:22 PM
Some big name types work at the D3 level--at least I hope that Millsaps keeps Mike DuBose for a while after the success of his first two years.

I'd be surprised to see Jeff Bower jump back into coaching right away, but I'm sure some school will give him good money when he is ready to get back on the sidelines.  I always thought Bower and his team were overachievers at Southern Miss--apparently some of the higher ups at the school and among the alums thought different.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 12, 2008, 10:43:02 PM

I seem to find a different crusade every few months.  Well, it's that time of year again, and it happens to have been triggered by signing day. 

I found out today that one of my students has a cousin who is on a full ride at Millsaps on the strength of a very high ACT score.  This young scholar also plays football for the Majors.  Yet the scholar's mother contends to my student that her son is on an academic and athletic scholarship.  Clearly, she doesn't know what she's talking about, but it indicated something to me:  part of the reason that all this "signing" press is so out of control is because the parents are as likely to believe it as their eighteen year old sons. 

I have to give credit where credit is due.  If the coaches know they can sell their programs by telling these naive people that they are getting football scholarships, they know how to recruit.  If the money is already set aside for him, why not tell the kid that it's for football?  To be clear, I am not singling out anyone, as this apparently takes place everywhere.  See my post above. 

I just think it's really sad when coaches assume that some of these young men and their families can't be proud of being non-scholarship athletes. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 12, 2008, 10:57:15 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on February 12, 2008, 10:43:02 PM

I seem to find a different crusade every few months.  Well, it's that time of year again, and it happens to have been triggered by signing day. 

I found out today that one of my students has a cousin who is on a full ride at Millsaps on the strength of a very high ACT score.  This young scholar also plays football for the Majors.  Yet the scholar's mother contends to my student that her son is on an academic and athletic scholarship.  Clearly, she doesn't know what she's talking about, but it indicated something to me:  part of the reason that all this "signing" press is so out of control is because the parents are as likely to believe it as their eighteen year old sons. 
She should be a D3football.com fan by now.

Have her get a Post Patterns ID, have her log on and we can educate her!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 12, 2008, 11:19:23 PM
TU, are you tilting at windmills again?   ;D

Mama Gump always said, Stupid is as stupid does.  (I'm not referring to you, TU)

You can try and educate all you want but most won't hear you.  The concept of a kid getting a scholarship to college because he or she is smart is rather foreign to most. 

This is Texas.  If you play HS football and you go to college and play football, the majority will just assume it's on a football schollie.  It really doesn't matter in my opinion to pull your hair out trying to correct them all.

What I find sad about  your post above is that the kid's mom is telling everyone that it's academic and athletic.  Kinda like she's ashamed he didn't get a football scholarship?  I think I fall in the opposite camp.  Proud of a kid that can get an academic partial and still do what they love.

My dad played ball at Rice during their glory days (late 40's early 50's).  He used to say the only reason he got to go to Rice was because he played football.  Truth be told he was a really bright guy.  He was told back then that he couldn't major in engineering.  He had to take business classes or they'd pull his scholarship.  If he was still alive today, he'd be applauding my son's choice to play d-3.  He got screwed over by coaches that held his scholarship over his head.  That isn't going to happen to his grandson. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on February 13, 2008, 12:35:00 AM
Tex
'He got screwed over by coaches that held his scholarship over his head.  That isn't going to happen to his grandson.'

i heard that

well said

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gogetit9 on February 13, 2008, 08:29:04 PM
I would guess this is bad news for the bsc faithful

http://www.whsv.com/news/headlines/15583697.html

I guess only time (as in 24 hours) will tell!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2008, 12:10:19 AM
So now USA has thrown big bucks at two guys who have thought about it and turned them down.  There's gotta be a reason.  Stay away, Coach Jones. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 14, 2008, 01:53:37 PM
Joey Jones is gone after one season:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2008/02/joey_jones_accepts_head_coachi.html (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2008/02/joey_jones_accepts_head_coachi.html)

I guess I can go back to not liking him again.  He did play at UAT afterall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 14, 2008, 03:52:08 PM
can't blame him, that's a big jump in salary + its a d1 job. If he is successful there, he really will be up for a big job after a few years. As for BSC, i looked this guy up, he should get the first phone call. Yet, its probably unrealistic to think he might leave an NFL job but who knows:

http://www.azcardinals.com/team/staff_detail.php?PRKey=169
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 14, 2008, 04:13:03 PM
Quote from: cush on February 14, 2008, 03:52:08 PM
can't blame him, that's a big jump in salary + its a d1 job. If he is successful there, he really will be up for a big job after a few years. As for BSC, i looked this guy up, he should get the first phone call. Yet, its probably unrealistic to think he might leave an NFL job but who knows:

http://www.azcardinals.com/team/staff_detail.php?PRKey=169

As another UAT grad, he would certainly be popular in Alabama.  I agree with you though.  I don't think he'd leave an NFL job for D3.  However, he has only been there one year and his last job was at the high school level.  If the NFL is too big of a jump, he might consider small college.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 14, 2008, 09:57:49 PM

Coach Jones' departure is a loss for BSC---and the SCAC. Seemed to have some excitment building in Birmingham...who is viwed as the natural replacement? Not to diminish Jones' impact...but I have to think that the programis heade dint he right direction and just getting a solid guy in there will continue the shcool on the right path...also...is the on-campus stadium going to be ready this fall?


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 14, 2008, 09:59:21 PM
I have no idea what he makes in the NFL but it might not be that unrealistic to think he would accept the bsc job. He probably has some $'s from his playing career + he would get to become a head coach and return to the south, although hard to beat phoenix. His high school gig paid about what bsc would pay...that's alot of coin for a high school football coach:

http://www.nashvillepost.com/news/2007/1/10/rutledge_departs_as_mba_football_coach


Than again, i think there is a former auburn coach who wants to get back in the college game but not a this level, i thought he was a lock for the w.virg job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 15, 2008, 12:28:45 AM
Sorry to see Joey Jones leave BSC, and I'm sure the players will miss his leadership.

A bit of a shock to see, however, that his total compensation at B-SC was $150K.  I would guess that's close to twice what the average SCAC fb coach pulls down.  If BSC can offer his successor that kind of package they should have no dearth of good candidates. 

D3_DPU, I know the plan was for BSC to play on-campus at the new field in 2008.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 15, 2008, 08:57:05 AM
Quote from BSC’s AD Joe Dean Jr. in today’s B’ham News: "I've got a list of about five or six guys I have an interest in for this job.  There is one in particular who I was interested in when we hired Joey. He is from Birmingham, but he's coaching somewhere else right now."

The interesting part is that there is much speculation that Joe Dean Jr. is leaving soon to take the AD job at Miss. St.

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/120306699286760.xml&coll=2 (http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/120306699286760.xml&coll=2)

The football field and track are complete.  The team moved into the new locker room and weight room before the end of last season.  There are no seats yet.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 15, 2008, 02:08:39 PM
QuoteThe football field and track are complete.  The team moved into the new locker room and weight room before the end of last season.  There are no seats yet.

any pics???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 15, 2008, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 15, 2008, 02:08:39 PM
QuoteThe football field and track are complete.  The team moved into the new locker room and weight room before the end of last season.  There are no seats yet.

any pics???


I tried to attach one but "The upload folder is full."  Go to this web page, scroll down, and click on "77."

http://www.bsc.edu/about/map.htm (http://www.bsc.edu/about/map.htm)

Too bad they went cheap and didn't put a logo at midfield.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 15, 2008, 08:20:18 PM
Thanks, old moose...you're right, it needs a logo at midfield...but it looks nice and in a neat setting. we didn't make it to campus on our trip last season...by the way, the crowd and the atmosphere at regions field was great...really impressed by your fans---intense and classy---fun to be around...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 15, 2008, 08:46:31 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on February 15, 2008, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 15, 2008, 02:08:39 PM
QuoteThe football field and track are complete.  The team moved into the new locker room and weight room before the end of last season.  There are no seats yet.

any pics???


I tried to attach one but "The upload folder is full."  Go to this web page, scroll down, and click on "77."

http://www.bsc.edu/about/map.htm (http://www.bsc.edu/about/map.htm)

Too bad they went cheap and didn't put a logo at midfield.
How hard will it be to see the scoreboard which is facing the southwest as the fans read it from the southeast?  The angle of the sun may be shining on the face of the scoreboard directly by mid afternoon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 15, 2008, 10:00:41 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 15, 2008, 08:20:18 PM
Thanks, old moose...you're right, it needs a logo at midfield...but it looks nice and in a neat setting. we didn't make it to campus on our trip last season...by the way, the crowd and the atmosphere at regions field was great...really impressed by your fans---intense and classy---fun to be around...

I'm glad you could make the trip and had a good time.  Come back in 2009 and see the new stadium.  Here is an artist's concept of the whole complex: http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/football/2007/new%20athletic%20complex.asp (http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/football/2007/new%20athletic%20complex.asp) 

Hopefully the new coach (and staff) will be able to perpetuate the intensity and energy of the fledgling program.  I'm hoping we don't lose to many players and fans in the transition.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: maconfootballobserver on February 16, 2008, 08:52:02 AM
In reference to Oldmoose post quoting BSC AD.  I believe the person he may referring to is Rush Probst, former Hoover coach.  I had heard from a friend at Hoover that Probst had really wanted the BSC job back when they hired Jones.

Coach Probst was recently hired as head football coach at Colquitt Co. Georgia
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 16, 2008, 10:03:12 AM
Quote from: maconfootballobserver on February 16, 2008, 08:52:02 AM
In reference to Oldmoose post quoting BSC AD.  I believe the person he may referring to is Rush Probst, former Hoover coach.  I had heard from a friend at Hoover that Probst had really wanted the BSC job back when they hired Jones.

Coach Probst was recently hired as head football coach at Colquitt Co. Georgia

I HOPE NOT!!!!  I think he's carrying way to much baggage to get a job anywhere in the B'ham area at any level.  Remember, BSC is a churched-based school.  Many of Propst's behavioral tendencies don't gel to well with that environment.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 16, 2008, 10:24:03 AM

Whoa now.  Have you ever attended a practice at a Catholic high school?  I work at one right now, and I can assure you that our varsity coaches aren't thinking about God during practice.  We have a pretty big league of Catholic schools here in New Orleans, and all the coaches are pretty much best friends throughout the schools.  Not many of them are altar boys.  I don't what it's like other places, but church and state don't necessarily mix on the practice field in my experience.  I think Rush could get by most places if his teams win.  That doesn't mean I have any taste for a guy like that.  I'd probably prefer to struggle without him than win with him.  That's probably why I'm not an AD. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 16, 2008, 05:24:42 PM
Well, there's a big difference between a little salty language on the practice field and a public admission of adultery.  Not to mention allegations of grade fixing, affairs with school faculty, etc.

If you are really interested, here is all the dirt... http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2007/10/FinalReport.pdf (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2007/10/FinalReport.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 17, 2008, 11:33:42 AM

Reading that was like sitting in a city council meeting.  The endless details are so boring that the big issue starts to vanish, and all I want is for someone to make a decision. 

In any case, I see your point.  The coaches of whom I speak are often up to no good off the field, but the events are not made public. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 17, 2008, 01:01:28 PM
I understand Trinity is allegedly close to giving EMStevens a facelift.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 17, 2008, 04:32:05 PM
It's been in the plans for a couple of years as part of their current capital campaign.  Lordy I hope they finally pull the trigger. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 17, 2008, 06:44:18 PM
I hear there's a strong possiblity of new field turf this summer.   It's funny, but every seemingly every other facility at  Trinity is first class.  The field seems like the lone exception. 

It's funny when a kid has been used to playing in front of 20,000 fans in high school to walk onto that field and look around.  I know it shocked my wife a lot.  :)  She hadn't gone to any games with us last season.  I just looked at her and said, "welcome to D-3".   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 17, 2008, 06:49:29 PM
My wife bought me a "got laterals?" coffee mug the other day.  I  only wish it came in a larger size!  :)  I can guzzle alot of coffee in the AM. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: Tex on February 17, 2008, 06:49:29 PM
My wife bought me a "got laterals?" coffee mug the other day.  I  only wish it came in a larger size!  :)  I can guzzle alot of coffee in the AM. 
And I heard that the Mugs were large!

They should have offered a "Vente"!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 17, 2008, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: Tex on February 17, 2008, 06:49:29 PM
My wife bought me a "got laterals?" coffee mug the other day.  I  only wish it came in a larger size!  :)  I can guzzle alot of coffee in the AM. 
And I heard that the Mugs were large!

They should have offered a "Vente"!

I love pissing the people off at Starbucks by refusing to use their size names.  I want the biggest cup of coffee you sell.  You mean the vente?  No, I mean the biggest, xtra large size you sell  Sir, that would be the vente.  Great, give me the x-large. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 18, 2008, 08:41:18 AM
Quote from: Tex on February 17, 2008, 10:52:32 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on February 17, 2008, 08:48:53 PM
Quote from: Tex on February 17, 2008, 06:49:29 PM
My wife bought me a "got laterals?" coffee mug the other day.  I  only wish it came in a larger size!  :)  I can guzzle alot of coffee in the AM. 
And I heard that the Mugs were large!

They should have offered a "Vente"!

I love pissing the people off at Starbucks by refusing to use their size names.  I want the biggest cup of coffee you sell.  You mean the vente?  No, I mean the biggest, xtra large size you sell  Sir, that would be the vente.  Great, give me the x-large. 
:D :D :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on February 18, 2008, 11:07:44 AM
thats funny chit, Tex. .  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on February 19, 2008, 10:58:52 AM
Tex;

If you want a bigger "got laterals?" 15 oz. coffee mug or 22 oz. beer stein, visit the new e-Store Annex here:
http://www.cafepress.com/trinitymiracle

You can order them one at a time or in multiples if you wish!

Ask and you shall receive ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on February 19, 2008, 05:32:51 PM
No problem Scott.  I'm very happy to have it in whatever size.  It's a great conversation starter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 20, 2008, 08:23:57 PM
New head coach at BSC is Defensive Coordinator Eddie Garfinkle.  Apparently, all the other assistants are staying.

Garfinkle's bio: http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/football/2006/garfinkle-bio.asp (http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/football/2006/garfinkle-bio.asp)

Article from Thursday's B'ham News: http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1203585344156630.xml&coll=2 (http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1203585344156630.xml&coll=2)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on February 20, 2008, 08:53:06 PM
Garfinkle is a good hand

played for pat dye at east carolina... when patty left to go to wyoming (pre auburn), garfinkle transfered to jax state... played  backer

lots of d-1fcs and d-2 coaching exp

bsc did well hiring him

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 21, 2008, 12:29:30 PM
The Trinity Tigers football team will receive recognition for the "Miracle in Mississippi" at halftime of Saturday's San Antonio Spurs game with the New Orleans Hornets at the AT&T Center.  Tip off is at 7:30 p.m. Central Time.   Approximately 200 members of the Trinity community will be at the game as part of Trinity Night at the Spurs. The Trinity Miracle Play was named the Pontiac Game Changing Performance of the Year. The announcement was made – after weeks of voting – during the Fox Sports Network's telecast of the Bowl Championship Series Championship game last month.  The university was awarded a $100,000 check for the general scholarship fund on Feb. 2.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 21, 2008, 05:01:41 PM
It's official at BSC... http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2008/2/21/fb%20garfinkle%20head%20coach.asp?path=football (http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2008/2/21/fb%20garfinkle%20head%20coach.asp?path=football)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on February 21, 2008, 05:19:37 PM
For those within TV-signal distance of San Antonio, the Spurs-Hornets game will be carried live by KENS-TV (CBS Channel 5) ... they plan to interview the Trinity players sometime before/during/after the game.  We'll try to catch, record and YouTube it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2008, 12:09:43 AM
Quote from: oldmoose on February 21, 2008, 05:01:41 PM
It's official at BSC... http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2008/2/21/fb%20garfinkle%20head%20coach.asp?path=football (http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2008/2/21/fb%20garfinkle%20head%20coach.asp?path=football)

Sounds like a solid hire and I like B-SC promoting from within and allowing the program to maintain continuity by keeping the current assistants, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 22, 2008, 10:26:33 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2008, 12:09:43 AM
Quote from: oldmoose on February 21, 2008, 05:01:41 PM
It's official at BSC... http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2008/2/21/fb%20garfinkle%20head%20coach.asp?path=football (http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2008/2/21/fb%20garfinkle%20head%20coach.asp?path=football)

Sounds like a solid hire and I like B-SC promoting from within and allowing the program to maintain continuity by keeping the current assistants, too.

A couple of assistants have left for other jobs but the OC/QB coach, OL coach, and DB coach are still there.

Here is the whole acceptance speech if you have 10 minutes with nothing to do: http://www.wiat.com/?articleID=4593 (http://www.wiat.com/?articleID=4593)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on February 22, 2008, 08:56:59 PM
millsaps just gained a good D line coach

Coach Davern Williams just announced he was leaving Huntington and going to work for millsaps... he is a good hand... played for Troy , the league (NY& Miami), and nfl europe
coached Rashad Davis (all south 2006, D-3 team of week this yr)

he will help millsaps win at  1-2 more games (all they need)

we will miss him

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 22, 2008, 10:13:38 PM
Quote from: AF4 on February 22, 2008, 08:56:59 PM
millsaps just gained a good D line coach

Coach Davern Williams just announced he was leaving Huntington and going to work for millsaps... he is a good hand... played for Troy , the league (NY& Miami), and nfl europe
...
AF4,

Will Coach Williams pull some Alabama kids to Millsaps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on February 22, 2008, 10:38:35 PM
Ralph hero

he recruits in central al now.... played at jd in montgomery (was on thier '96 al state champ team) 1 yr at auburn then 3 at troy... he sure knows al well

pre huntingdon and  bsc many al kids went to millsaps rhodes suwanee, and miss coll (particularly from mobile area)... some still do... i hope he won't get kids heading  millsaps way...but he sure could

a good guy..... physically, very imposing... but a good guy
the boy thought a lot of him...coaches pass rush tech real well (as he should from being in the league)

keep the faith 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2008, 01:03:19 AM
Trinity assistant coach Brian Haack (runningbacks) has been told he will be deployed to Iraq as part of the 22 Marine Expeditionary Unit.  According to an article in today's Trinitonian (http://media.www.trinitonian.com/media/storage/paper819/news/2008/02/22/Sports/Coach.Parts.With.Beloved.Team-3229266.shtml), "he will command units that provide direct medical support to ground combat operations."

Good luck to Coach Haack and to all our men and women serving in the military around the world. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 25, 2008, 09:17:48 PM
For DePauw loyalists----Wes----any thoughts on new DPU pres? Potential impact, if any, on football/athletics? Guy's got a helluva resume, young and a former student-athlete at ND...would seem to be a great hire...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 25, 2008, 10:49:02 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 25, 2008, 09:17:48 PM
For DePauw loyalists----Wes----any thoughts on new DPU pres? Potential impact, if any, on football/athletics? Guy's got a helluva resume, young and a former student-athlete at ND...would seem to be a great hire...

I don't know much about the guy, to be honest.  Spoke briefly with the other candidate from Trinity on his visit a couple weeks back when he showed up at a basketball game.

Harvard guy.  Certainly understands a thing or two about big rivalry games, they play Yale in the Big Game every year.  I don't know what the guy thinks about the athletics, but I would assume he's a good selection for the reasons you mentioned.  To be honest, I don't think it can go anywhere but up.  Bottoms and the rest of the muppets (particularly Lincoln) screwed it all up so badly that I'm not sure this guy could trump them if he tried.

On the other hand, if I were hiring a guy based on athletics alone (which I don't know why you would), I would have probably went with the Trinity guy, since he understands not only D3 sports, but also the hassles and difficulties that come with athletic teams being in this conference.  But, DePauw is hiring a President for so many other reasons than just athletics.  Bottoms had so many problems in the other aspects of dealing with the student body that they were probably the more glaring issues for the hire than the athletic programs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 26, 2008, 06:17:42 AM
interesting perspective, wes...thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 28, 2008, 08:24:36 PM

One of my students just came back from his Millsaps visit and liked it, but is now a bit gunshy about the time commitment:

Weekday meetings/workouts from 6-8
Class from 9-3
Practice from 4-6
Dinner
Study Hall 7-9

Our time commitment in 1997 at Trinity:

Monday off
Class from 8-4
Practice from 4-6
Dinner

Has the landscape changed that much in ten years?  Does everyone do study hall now?  Or is that just the Dubose influence?  I don't know if I would have wanted to lug my paint and canvases to wherever it was held. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on February 29, 2008, 08:02:42 AM
TU2698

It's not just Millsaps.  My son is a freshman at DPU and just went through the season.  I played at DPU in the early 80's.  The time committment my son had on his hands versus what I went through was light years different.  As you mentioned, lifting, position meetings, walk throughs, practice, study table, etc., was a bit more than he and I expected.  He got through it and did well in school so that is good.  I am sure each year gets easier after being hit with that aas a freshman.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on February 29, 2008, 09:04:56 AM
With the exception of study hall, that is about the same schedule my boys had playing high school football.   And "study hall" better take place when they got home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 29, 2008, 10:43:32 AM
Quote from: oldmoose on February 29, 2008, 09:04:56 AM
With the exception of study hall, that is about the same schedule my boys had playing high school football.   And "study hall" better take place when they got home.
Which is what we want our student-athlete children to do, as opposed to sleep late, miss class, party, get drunk, be too hungover to attend class, start all over.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 29, 2008, 05:59:53 PM

I'm just surprised that the coaches feel they have to be that closely monitored.  We had a lot, I mean a lot of success but we didn't even have team workouts in the offseason.  You were expected to lift acoording to the team program and if you wanted to compete for playing time, that's how you kept up.  You were expected to know how to handle yourself academically because you were accepted at a reputable institution.  I know kids get more spoiled every year, but we had some pretty big brats on our team too.  Somehow it worked without much intervention.  We lost a top flight corner to grades in 1998 and his replacement got beat on a lot of deep balls against Mt Union in the semis. 

Maybe study hall would have gotten us a national title. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on March 03, 2008, 12:36:09 PM
I'm not so sure what is wrong with having a strict regimented schedule for football players?  If that is what it takes to succeed than so be it.  I would rather win championships and have a strict schedule, then lose every Saturday, and have no accountability (which is what was going on at the Millsaps for some time).  I left my dorm room at 8am and returned at 8pm everyday at Millsaps.  Sad thing is, there was only about 5 other guys that did the same.  I think there is a direct correlation between winning and "time commitment."  I'm willing to bet that the "Mt. Unions" of the the world have strict schedules as well, at least I hope they do.

I also wouldn't say that the players are being "monitored."  I think they are being held "accountable" and there is a very large difference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 03, 2008, 04:12:32 PM

The workouts I think are a good thing.  The seated time is overrated in my opinion. 

If there was no accountability before, then the new requirements have surely instilled a great deal of team pride that resulted in victories.  I guess I just feel like d3 athletes by and large hold their education to a higher standard than do scholarship athletes, and that they should be afforded the freedom to at least study on their own. 

I personally do not think that time spent is as valuable as time not wasted.  I've seen collegiate athlete study hall and it is a waste of time.  I think watching film is definitely a critical part of getting better, but you can only learn so much sitting down that can be carried over to the field.  Great players often have great instincts and you don't develop that watching film. 

It is amazing to me that so many coaches at every level think they can win by playing chess.  To me, how you use that two hour practice block is the most critical thing.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on March 06, 2008, 02:34:22 PM
I wonder how overrated the seated time is?  I think Study Hall is pretty important.  I am sure the upper-classmen get a break (e.g. don't have to come if their grades are good), but I find it necessary for younger kids that are adjusting to the academic demands of a SCAC school. 

"You never want to see a football injury, especially with a teammate you spend all day with, you go to class with, you go to study hall with, practice with and lift weights with," said Ziemba.

-Lee Ziemba (Auburn Tigers) on Antonio Coleman's recent injury.

Looks like sometimes success on the field is directly related to discipline off the field, including study hall.  Ask yourself, how successful is Auburn's program, and how often do you hear of Tuberville's players getting in trouble? 
Study hall is important; classroom success breeds success on the field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 06, 2008, 06:29:57 PM

I'm not so inclined to derive from one quote that Auburn's football success is directly related to study hall.  In football study hall, 18 year old guys are put in a room together which is seldom conducive to learning.  If there are computers, they have access to facebook, youtube, the like.  If they're allowed to talk, they talk about non school matters.  If they can't talk, they can't get help.  I've seen guys come in and surf the net for three hours on Friday just so they can make their weekly requirement for hours.

The guys where I worked couldn't wait to finish their mandatory 8 hours of study hall per week because they said they couldn't get anything done with all the people cutting up.  It's not like the coaches are made aware and keep track of the work that the kids are supposed to be doing.  It sounds right in theory, but the reality is that it's a waste of time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on March 07, 2008, 06:40:40 PM
i do not believe AU's success is directly related to study hall...but.... we were walking through walmart a couple weekends ago,  a kid  (who was a former team mate of my boy) who is a RFr at auburn , listed this past season on the depth chart, and was in the rotation, stopped to talk... he spoke of the grueling practices, and now off season workouts...and study hall...and study hall again...and how study hall and workouts were some how hooked at the hip ???

my bride and this kids mom work together, and she too was inthralled with study hall at auburn... i thank at auburn study hall is a big deal...and by having it... the kids are watched for a little longer each day... u rarely hear of them introuble like the kids at the tuscaloosa trade school

now d-3 study hall.... well the boy didn't have to do it this semister cause of his grades were good...but he told me that the coaches checked to insure they weren't just 'texting folks' (his words...as i am unsure how u do that)

if his grades don't stay good he can't do what he claims he wants to do after he graduates

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 15, 2008, 03:22:37 PM
The Tigers begin Spring Practice Monday (March17) :).

Does everyone begin Monday or do schools pick and choose their windows?
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 16, 2008, 01:43:42 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 15, 2008, 03:22:37 PM
The Tigers begin Spring Practice Monday (March17) :).

Does everyone begin Monday or do schools pick and choose their windows?
 


What are the rules for D-3 spring practice?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 16, 2008, 11:46:13 AM
QuoteWhat are the rules for D-3 spring practice?

I'm sure others on this site know specifics...I know it's no pads...don't even think they can wear helmets...and a set number of sessions, which I think is 20...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 16, 2008, 12:16:00 PM
I'm okay with the no pads part.  When I was in hs, for some reason (probably we were pretty much all out of shape), we'd get a lot of injuries during Spring Training.  These days, 5A HS football in TX is a 12 month a year committment.   It likely leads to a bit more burn-out, but less overall injuries. 

My son's HS had a serious bad luck streak this past season (early on) with ankle injuries.  Something like 10 starters went down during the first month of practice.  This had a lot to do with several factors, but IMHO it came down to something they neglected to do in the off-season program.  Freak luck combined with medical wisdom that didn't automatically wrap ankles prior to each practice.  By the time they ordered the cinch-up braces, it was all over and the fat lady was putting ice on her ankle as well. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 16, 2008, 12:18:04 PM
Oh yeah, did I mention my OL son and his DL good friend will be in Trinity TX uni's next year?  You guys are going to get really sick of me around here! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 16, 2008, 02:35:47 PM
QuoteOh yeah, did I mention my OL son and his DL good friend will be in Trinity TX uni's next year?  You guys are going to get really sick of me around here!/quote]

great! hey, what do you hear about prospects for trinity next season? ...both sides of  the ball...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 17, 2008, 09:26:29 PM
Not a clue man.  Not a clue. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 18, 2008, 07:35:13 PM

Been posted on here many times in the past few months.  The skinny:

Great skill players return on offense but with a new quarterback.  Line loses two starters.

Defense loses nine exceptional players

This is the year we find out if Trinity can reload or not.  If not, the Millsaps game at Trinity could end up being an historic win for the Majors.  Actually, if the Tigers can't play defense and the quarterback ends up less than average, they may not have to waituntil week 8 for the SCAC home streak to end.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 18, 2008, 07:52:53 PM
QuoteThis is the year we find out if Trinity can reload or not.  If not, the Millsaps game at Trinity could end up being an historic win for the Majors.  Actually, if the Tigers can't play defense and the quarterback ends up less than average, they may not have to waituntil week 8 for the SCAC home streak to end.

...lowering expectations??? ;)

have  you guys started spring practice yet?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 18, 2008, 11:33:26 PM
I think every year is the year we find out if Trinity can reload or not.  No doubt that the SCAC has become more competitive in recent years ... despite this, TU is regularly at or next to the top in the league in all categories.  A tribute to the fine (and stable) coaching staff and the dedication of the young men in the program.

Every season, Trinity loses important players at key positions ... all the way through the lineup on both sides of the ball.  And every year after that, new players step to the front of the line and make it happen for the Tigers.

May it continue to be so in 2008.  Only 172 days until kickoff ...  ;)
_______________

Since somebody asked ... Trinity's spring football begins next Monday and continues 3 days per week for 5 weeks ...

NCAA Division III rules permit a maximum of 16 practices over a 5 week period, with no more than 4 practice days in any one week.  Skill instruction during this period must be limited to passing, catching, and kicking drills.  Except for footballs, the use of helmets, pads, blocking sleds or any other form of sport-related equipment is prohibited.  No missed class time is permitted for these sessions.
NOTE: Some conferences restrict spring practice further.

NCAA Division III Manual 2007-08 (pages 148-151)
see Sections 17.11.6 Out-of-Season Athletically Related Activities and 17.02.1 Athletically Related Activities.
http://www.ncaa.org/library/membership/division_iii_manual/2007-08/2007-08_d3_manual.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 19, 2008, 01:26:54 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on March 18, 2008, 11:33:26 PM

May it continue to be so in 2008.  Only 172 days until kickoff ...  ;)


Seems like an eternity to me. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 19, 2008, 09:15:17 PM
I know it's off topic...but I noticed that Mother Nature did something today Wabash hasn't been able to do in almost a decade----prevent DePauw from whooping up on the Little Giants in baseball.  ;D

The last time Wabash beat DePauw in baseball was 1999...14 straight games...talk about a drought!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on March 20, 2008, 10:39:09 AM

Not that I care necessarily about Wabash, but mother nature seems to intervene quite a bit with DePauw athletics.  I think DPU athletics should still be thanking her for their "co" SCAC football championship in 2005. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 20, 2008, 11:05:53 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on March 20, 2008, 10:39:09 AM
Not that I care necessarily about Wabash, but mother nature seems to intervene quite a bit with DePauw athletics.  I think DPU athletics should still be thanking her for their "co" SCAC football championship in 2005. 
:D

That is a "gotcha" as big as Texas!

:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 20, 2008, 11:25:05 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on March 20, 2008, 10:39:09 AM
I think DPU athletics should still be thanking her for their "co" SCAC football championship in 2005. 

Wierd.  I was going to say the exact same thing, except the other way around.   :D 

I personally think that was probably our best chance, if nothing else.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 22, 2008, 10:26:04 PM
Quote from: Tex on March 16, 2008, 12:18:04 PM
Oh yeah, did I mention my OL son and his DL good friend will be in Trinity TX uni's next year?  You guys are going to get really sick of me around here! 

Congrats, Tex.  As a 6'6" 285+ pound type I always appreciate the OL guys.

Do let us know if you hear anything about them doing anything with the field, will you?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 23, 2008, 05:21:33 PM
Ron, I'm a 6'4" 300 pounder myself.  Unfortunately for my offspring, I married a woman 5'2".  :)  Luckily Matt at least got to 6'0".   He did manage to get mama's quickness though. 

I guess instead of falling for that beautiful smile of the wife's, I should have checked her height a bit closer, perhaps her vertical and 40 time as well.  ;)  Asking her to run the shuttle might have been a bit much though.

On the field issue, I'm not sure anyone is going to tell me much about what's going on.  The check I'm writing for tuition doesn't likely have enough zeros on the end of it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 27, 2008, 10:46:15 PM
Can I kill a thread or what!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2008, 11:40:15 PM
Meh, it's just that time of year.   It's always pretty dead in the spring. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on March 28, 2008, 02:58:43 PM
I don't have anything very exciting to add either, but it might interest some of you to know that new BSC HC Eddie Garfinkle has recently filled several positions on his staff.

Eddie Garfinkle - Head Coach
Joel Williams - Offensive Coordinator - Quarterbacks (same position last year)
Dyer Carlisle - Assistant Coach - Secondary (volunteer coach last year)
Joe Judge - Assistant Coach - Linebackers (GA from Miss. St.)
Dwayne Curry - Assistant Coach - Defensive Line (Lane College)
Don Dover - Assistant Coach - Offensive Line (Tusculum College)
Deke Herrin - Assistant Coach - Receivers (GA from MTSU)

I don't know if one of these coaches has or will be named DC.  Also, will there be a RB coach?

http://www.bscsports.net/index.asp?path=football (http://www.bscsports.net/index.asp?path=football)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 28, 2008, 07:06:19 PM
QuoteI don't have anything very exciting to add either, but it might interest some of you to know that new BSC HC Eddie Garfinkle has recently filled several positions on his staff.

Thanks for the info...any DPU backers-----Wes---who knows anything about DePauw hiring someone to replace Zorbo on defensive side of the ball????
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 30, 2008, 01:02:57 AM
Haven't heard anything about the hire, but the  job is posted on the DePauw website. (http://www.depauw.edu/admin/hr/employmentopp/eo_asst_football_coach.asp)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 30, 2008, 07:43:29 AM
Add a Trinity school record in the javelin to Chris Baer's list of accomplishments! 
"Tiger dual-sport star Chris Baer, who is also a starting running back for the football team, broke the school record in the javelin at the Victor Lopez Bayou Classic - hosted by Rice University - on Friday.  With the throw of 58.26 meters (191'+) , Baer also qualifies for the NCAA Championships Meet."  (I still wish he was playing baseball at Trinity)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2008, 08:42:37 AM
Quote from: historymajor on March 30, 2008, 07:43:29 AM
Add a Trinity school record in the javelin to Chris Baer's list of accomplishments! 
"Tiger dual-sport star Chris Baer, who is also a starting running back for the football team, broke the school record in the javelin at the Victor Lopez Bayou Classic - hosted by Rice University - on Friday.  With the throw of 58.26 meters (191'+) , Baer also qualifies for the NCAA Championships Meet."  (I still wish he was playing baseball at Trinity)
http://www.raceberryjam.com/indexod.html  -- click on "JT" for Javelin Throw.

Chris' 58.26 meters is currently provisionally qualified, but short of the last qualifier in the 2007 season.  He has a chance to become All-American if he scores points in the National Meet.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on March 30, 2008, 10:20:46 AM
Ralph,,, Since this is the first experience Chris has with the javelin (formerly baseball and football star at Shiner), I am confident that he'll continue to improve.  I once was a pretty good shot putter and fair discus thrower, I never got near 190' in the jav. 
(He's also over 6'2" in the HJ in his first experience trying that!)  Can you say decath?,,, and Jerheme Urban is helping coach him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 30, 2008, 10:28:57 AM
Quote from: historymajor on March 30, 2008, 10:20:46 AM
Ralph,,, Since this is the first experience Chris has with the javelin (formerly baseball and football star at Shiner), I am confident that he'll continue to improve.  I once was a pretty good shot putter and fair discus thrower, I never got near 190' in the jav. 
(He's also over 6'2" in the HJ in his first experience trying that!)  Can you say decath?,,, and Jerheme Urban is helping coach him.

Here are the qualifying standards for the nationals.

http://www.raceberryjam.com/indexod.html

When you see
Quote
Outdoor Track
2008 NCAA Qualifying Standards

    * NCAA Division I Outdoor Championships
    * NCAA Division II Outdoor Championships
    * NCAA Division III Outdoor Championships

please click on D-III.  :)

I think that the next Decathlon qualifying meet is in San Angelo in two weeks.  Astandard decathlon scoring table should give fans an idea of how he will score.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 30, 2008, 12:08:14 PM
Quote from: historymajor on March 30, 2008, 07:43:29 AM
Add a Trinity school record in the javelin to Chris Baer's list of accomplishments! 
"Tiger dual-sport star Chris Baer, who is also a starting running back for the football team, broke the school record in the javelin at the Victor Lopez Bayou Classic - hosted by Rice University - on Friday.  With the throw of 58.26 meters (191'+) , Baer also qualifies for the NCAA Championships Meet."  (I still wish he was playing baseball at Trinity)

"Very nice, very nice" -- Borat
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 31, 2008, 11:13:07 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 28, 2008, 07:06:19 PM
Thanks for the info...any DPU backers-----Wes---who knows anything about DePauw hiring someone to replace Zorbo on defensive side of the ball????

After I made my previous post about having no information on the hire, the emails came pouring in. 

Apparently, DePauw has given the position to one of the assistants from last year who wasn't full-time.  I'm told former player Jake Wissing has been given the position.  Jake was on the staff last year, but I don't believe he was on the payroll as a full-time assistant coach. 

Of all the folks I spoke with, nobody seems to know if he's switching to defense.  So, I don't know what that means about who the position coaches will be on that side of the ball. There may still be another hire to be done to find an LB coach.  Or there may not.  I just don't know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 31, 2008, 11:59:18 AM
good info, wes...thank you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bens Mom on April 01, 2008, 10:23:59 PM
Quote from: AF4 on February 10, 2008, 10:21:46 PM
Tu2694

"I laughed and laughed when Ben Ganus had a media event signing for Huntingdon College two years ago, but it's just not funny anymore."

was it a 'MEDIA event' or a signing party... like the one that happens every year at the O-A news... with alll the kids pictures in the paper  ?.... from 14 highschools in our general area ...

last wk.... 21 kids  in opelika at tha O-A news office D1=>D-3 + NAIA

last yr ~32 kids, 6 D-3 to 3 different colleges

just curious what u define as a media event ?



It amazes me that an article from a small community news paper is still being talked about almost two years after print.  Yes, I am Ben Ganus' MOM!  I can assure you, every one in the library that day knew Ben DID NOT get an Athletic Scholarship.  I guess that would be everyone EXCEPT the reporter.  You can bet that Ben notified the reporter of his error as soon as it was published.  However, Ben did earn a Academic Scholarship from Huntingdon College. 

Ben's goal was to find a college that he could not only receive an excellent education but also be able to PLAY football.  If any of you have been through this process, whether a D1 or D3 school it is an extremely overwhelming process.  Was it a "Media Event"?  Your darn straight it was!  That is the way we acknowledge the accomplishments of our kids here in Gulf Breeze, Florida.  He might not be playing for a D1 program but, he is happy to be able to continue playing the sport that he loves. 

As far as Huntingdon's media department, they are great!  They are continually sending news releases to the local papers to update the players "home towns" on how their kids are doing!  Why would they do this you might ask............marketing!  Otherwise, their potential recruits might not even know Huntingdon had a football program.  A program that we are all very proud of.  GO HAWKS!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Slicer_Coach on April 01, 2008, 10:40:02 PM
Coach Wissing will be with the o-line at DePauw again next season and from my conversations with him, until he dies.  He told me the working at DePauw was his "dream job."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2008, 10:59:24 PM
Welcome aboard Ben's Mom!

Always glad to see parents on here.

I hope that you will follow the Hawks on the SLIAC board.

(By the way, McMurry really enjoyed its visit to Montgomery.  That trip was a special trip in the life of the ball club.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 02, 2008, 08:53:04 AM
QuoteCoach Wissing will be with the o-line at DePauw again next season and from my conversations with him, until he dies.  He told me the working at DePauw was his "dream job."

Thanks for the info...Wissing a former DPU player I believe...do you know anything about hiring a coach to replace Zorbo?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bens Mom on April 02, 2008, 08:56:55 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 01, 2008, 10:59:24 PM
Welcome aboard Ben's Mom!

Always glad to see parents on here.

I hope that you will follow the Hawks on the SLIAC board.

(By the way, McMurry really enjoyed its visit to Montgomery.  That trip was a special trip in the life of the ball club.)

Thanks for the welcome Ralph.  We are excited about being part of SLIAC this season.  Looks like lots of travel for us. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on April 03, 2008, 04:07:11 PM
BENSMOM

come over to the sliac board on the north region

there r (with u) 3 of us Hawks fans

the boy that grew up at my house tells me Ben's a fine young man

welcome and GO Hawks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 10, 2008, 03:25:08 PM
I was surfing around today, found myself on BSC's home page, and they are planning to grow enrollment by 50% over the next few years:

"Growth: Through People and Programs Our first goal is to raise $50 million in three years. We will use these resources to support increased scholarships, additional faculty and expanded and enhanced programs to grow enrollment from roughly 1,200 students to about 1,800. We will also devote these funds to increasing the college in stature, focusing on programs and structures that directly affect enrollment and national distinction."

This is part of The Campaign For Birmingham-Southern (http://www.bsc.edu/advancement/campaign/co-chairs.htm#) which also includes a $6.5M line item for athletics.   The blurb says "[a] portion of this campaign will go to ensuring that we have the athletics facilities that meet the high standards of quality and competition that live at Birmingham-Southern."   This represents over 10% of the overall fundrasing goal; the funds will be used for an athletics complex ($3.5M), field house ($1.5M), competition field and track ($1.5M), practice field ($300K), lockers ($300K), weight room ($250K), locker room ($250K), corporate-sponsored hospitality tent ($150K), and training room ($75K).    That's a substantial investment in athletics and will no doubt pay dividends when recruiting student-athletes who meet the SCAC profile. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 10, 2008, 07:57:44 PM
QuoteThis is part of The Campaign For Birmingham-Southern which also includes a $6.5M line item for athletics.   The blurb says "[a] portion of this campaign will go to ensuring that we have the athletics facilities that meet the high standards of quality and competition that live at Birmingham-Southern."   This represents over 10% of the overall fundrasing goal; the funds will be used for an athletics complex ($3.5M), field house ($1.5M), competition field and track ($1.5M), practice field ($300K), lockers ($300K), weight room ($250K), locker room ($250K), corporate-sponsored hospitality tent ($150K), and training room ($75K).    That's a substantial investment in athletics and will no doubt pay dividends when recruiting student-athletes who meet the SCAC profile. 

quite impressive...all the makings for a powerhouse program...if i remember correctly, their on campus stadium will be ready this season...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Slicer_Coach on April 10, 2008, 10:21:11 PM
Thanks for the info...Wissing a former DPU player I believe...do you know anything about hiring a coach to replace Zorbo?
[/quote]

Yes, Coach Wissing and his twin brother both played for DPU.  His twin, Josh Wissing is the o-line coach at Valpo U.  As far as Coach Zorbo's replacement goes, I haven't heard anything.  I will tell you this though.  He will be GREATLY missed.  He recruited my son and is a helluva guy.  He'll do a great job at Kalamazoo College, his alma mater.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 10, 2008, 11:43:54 PM

Ben's mom is a piece of work... :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on April 11, 2008, 06:19:46 PM
 TU2698 "Ben's mom is a piece of work... "

i have never met her.... but u started it...making fun of the way her son let everyone no he would attend Huntingdon....  (go back and read the posts)

daddy taught me over 50 yrs ago to b careful when u try to work on a new calf...it's momma will try to pin your head to the ground...and that lesson saved my life more than once since...

just a thought

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 11, 2008, 08:07:06 PM

I remember well. 

I think what amazes me is that she found that thread.  That was buried pretty deep.

Had you been around two years ago when that happened, you would recall that it got a pretty good response at d3football.com.  Several posters, myself included, contacted the writer.  It certainly seems to stick with me more than others, but didn't he want people to remember that event?  I guess he got me. 


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on April 11, 2008, 09:31:14 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on April 11, 2008, 08:07:06 PM

I remember well. 

I think what amazes me is that she found that thread.  That was buried pretty deep.

Had you been around two years ago when that happened, you would recall that it got a pretty good response at d3football.com.  Several posters, myself included, contacted the writer.  It certainly seems to stick with me more than others, but didn't he want people to remember that event?  I guess he got me. 




Have you ever googled your own name or that of your kid?  It can be interesting. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 12, 2008, 12:29:59 PM
Spring Football on ESPN....YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on April 16, 2008, 05:21:55 PM
Trinity Track & Field update:

Junior TU Tiger RB Chris Baer threw the javelin 62.24 meters (204' 02") to win at San Angelo's David Noble Relays last Saturday ... he broke his own school record by 12 feet.  His throw was .26m short of the NCAA automatic qualifying distance, but is presently second in the nation in Division III.  The SCAC Conference meet is April 25-26 at DePauw, then the NCAA D3 Championships are May 22-24 in Oshkosh.  A throwback to the old "sport-of-the-season" athletes!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1atexasfootball.com%2Fimages%2Fthmbup.gif&hash=67ae3169d355c4e2811b4b8fbba50b38e4cbda74)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 16, 2008, 06:14:52 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on April 16, 2008, 05:21:55 PM
Trinity Track & Field update:

Junior TU Tiger RB Chris Baer threw the javelin 62.24 meters (204' 02") to win at San Angelo's David Noble Relays last Saturday ... he broke his own school record by 12 feet.  His throw was .26m short of the NCAA automatic qualifying distance, but is presently second in the nation in Division III.  The SCAC Conference meet is April 25-26 at DePauw, then the NCAA D3 Championships are May 22-24 in Oshkosh.  A throwback to the old "sport-of-the-season" athletes!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.1atexasfootball.com%2Fimages%2Fthmbup.gif&hash=67ae3169d355c4e2811b4b8fbba50b38e4cbda74)
Raceberryjam.com (http://www.raceberryjam.com/indexod.html) is the site where you can follow the qualifying performances for the D3 National Championships.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 23, 2008, 10:21:17 PM
AN OPEN POST TO SCAC FANS----ANY SPRING FOOTBALL UPDATES...SOMETHING...ANYTHING???

Especially interested in Trinity, Millsaps, Rhodes and BSC...thanks in advance for any perspective on new schemes, new players, outlook for the fall, etc...AND recruiting scoop of course... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 24, 2008, 12:49:34 PM
I'm a couple of days late to the party here, but I wanted to extend my congratulations to DPU Head Football Coach Matt Walker, as his baseball team beat Wabash for the 16th and 17th consecutive times on Tuesday evening. 

Furthermore, I believe he becomes the fouth coach to beat Wabash in two of the three major sports (3rd in football and baseball) in the same academic year since Raymond "Gaumey" Neal in 1930.  Three years before Raymond "Gaumey" Neal's football team became the last in any division to go undefeated, untied, and unscored upon, his football and baseball teams both beat Wabash.  His football team beat Wabash 7-6 (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1930.mov), and his baseball team split two games with the Cavemen, winning the first 10-3 and losing the season finale 17-0.

In 1942, Lloyd Messersmith did the same in football and basketball.  His football team won the 11th Monon Bell Classic 7-6. (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1942.mov)  His Men's Basketball team beat Wabash 32-31 in the season finale.

The last was Bob Hicks in 1958.   His football team beat Wabash 24-8. (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1958.mov) His baseball team also was victorious, splitting the 2 game season series with a 5-2 victory and a 5-2 loss. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 24, 2008, 09:41:54 PM
QuoteI'm a couple of days late to the party here, but I wanted to extend my congratulations to DPU Head Football Coach Matt Walker, as his baseball team beat Wabash for the 16th and 17th consecutive times on Tuesday evening. 

Furthermore, I believe he becomes the fouth coach to beat Wabash in two of the three major sports (3rd in football and baseball) in the same academic year since Raymond "Gaumey" Neal in 1930.  Three years before Raymond "Gaumey" Neal's football team became the last in any division to go undefeated, untied, and unscored upon, his football and baseball teams both beat Wabash.  His football team beat Wabash 7-6, and his baseball team split two games with the Cavemen, winning the first 10-3 and losing the season finale 17-0.

In 1942, Lloyd Messersmith did the same in football and basketball.  His football team won the 11th Monon Bell Classic 7-6.  His Men's Basketball team beat Wabash 32-31 in the season finale.

The last was Bob Hicks in 1958.  His football team beat Wabash 24-8. His baseball team also was victorious, splitting the 2 game season series with a 5-2 victory and a 5-2 loss. 

worth noting, wes...especially after some of the crapola that was spread on this site a while back...kudos to coach walker for taking on a very difficult (some would say impossible) situation...and performing...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on April 26, 2008, 01:06:22 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 23, 2008, 10:21:17 PM
AN OPEN POST TO SCAC FANS----ANY SPRING FOOTBALL UPDATES...SOMETHING...ANYTHING???

Especially interested in Trinity, Millsaps, Rhodes and BSC...thanks in advance for any perspective on new schemes, new players, outlook for the fall, etc...AND recruiting scoop of course... ;)

I went and watched a Trinity practice the other day when I was passing through SA.  Can't really remember anything from it though.  ;) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 26, 2008, 05:22:37 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Question for Tex?)

Tex,
I have watched several recent Tiger football training sessions and also don't have much to offer regarding "new schemes, new players or recruiting scoop"; however, "the outlook for the fall" is without doubt another SCAC football championship for Trinity.

Did your (very wise) Trinity-bound son and his (equally wise) buddy play their high school football at Consol? If so, what were their uniform numbers last year?

Look forward to seeing you at this season's football games.

                                                                                :)



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on April 27, 2008, 12:14:25 AM
Chris Baer won the SCAC jav and was sixth in the high jump.  If his provisional throw holds, or if he can improve it, look for him in the NCAA meet!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 27, 2008, 01:44:30 AM
Quote from: historymajor on April 27, 2008, 12:14:25 AM
Chris Baer won the SCAC jav and was sixth in the high jump.  If his provisional throw holds, or if he can improve it, look for him in the NCAA meet!

QuoteJAVELIN THROW
1) Sean Corey              So Rowan University      65.65m (215-4)       4/19 CTC Championships
2) Brock Solveson          So Concordia (Wisconsin) 63.00m (206-8)       4/19 Benedictine Eagle
=======================    Automatic             62.50m (205-1)       
3) Chris Baer              Jr Trinity U (Texas)     62.24m (204-2)       4/12 David Noble Relays
I boldly predict...it holds!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on April 27, 2008, 10:00:49 AM
Quote from: etg on April 26, 2008, 05:22:37 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Question for Tex?)

Tex,
I have watched several recent Tiger football training sessions and also don't have much to offer regarding "new schemes, new players or recruiting scoop"; however, "the outlook for the fall" is without doubt another SCAC football championship for Trinity.

Did your (very wise) Trinity-bound son and his (equally wise) buddy play their high school football at Consol? If so, what were their uniform numbers last year?

Look forward to seeing you at this season's football games.

                                                                                :)






60 (3 year starter OG) and 57 (2 year starter DT & powerlifter with several 1st places). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on April 27, 2008, 10:02:06 AM
Quote from: historymajor on April 27, 2008, 12:14:25 AM
Chris Baer won the SCAC jav and was sixth in the high jump.  If his provisional throw holds, or if he can improve it, look for him in the NCAA meet!

He seems to run with the rock pretty well also.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2008, 11:42:54 AM
I see Chris Baer listed as a junior - did he get a medical redshirt, if so will he be returning next season at RB?

Also, from a very high level view of this week's sports festival results - it looks like DePauw retains the President's Trophy for another season.  Last year the difference was that DPU played field hockey and Trinity did not; this year the gap will be substantially larger than last year's 5 point margin (one half of one place in one sport!).  Congratulations to the DPU Tigers on an outstanding year in SCAC competition.   

DPU also won both the men's and women's tennis championships this season, defeating the formerly #1 ranked TU men 5-4.  What is this world coming to?   :o   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2008, 03:53:48 PM
On a related note, the SCAC Spring Sports Festival is now a thing of the past, with spring championships to be spread out across the conference.  This is probably because with the conference having 12 schools it's just hard to find any single location to house that many student-athletes.  That's a shame; I always thought the spring festival concept was pretty cool.  Perhaps scacsid can chime in on this. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 28, 2008, 03:56:57 PM
Especially since he is interim scaccommish.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on April 29, 2008, 12:15:47 PM
Ron, Chris was injured during the first game (vs. ETBU) of his sophomore football season ... he did receive a medical redshirt from the NCAA for that missed year.  As a result, he is a junior student at TU this spring, but has two more football seasons of eligibility remaining.  TU press releases & stories describe him as a sophomore or junior interchangeably, depending upon who writes the article.  So, this fall (2008) he'll be a senior, but with another football season (2009) to play after that.  At present, he plans to graduate in December 2009 with an Engineering Science major and a Math minor.  The Good Lord willing.

Several TU tracksters will be headed to UT Arlington this weekend to attempt faster times and longer distances for NCAA qualification purposes.  As Ralph pointed out earlier, the latest D-III qualifying times/distances/heights are here: http://www.raceberryjam.com/ncoutmenperf08.html

The NCAA D-III Track & Field Championships will be held on May 22-24 at UW-Oshkosh.  Meet info here: http://www.titans.uwosh.edu/2008NCAATFChampionships/index.html

Trinity has several athletes with a chance to compete at Oshkosh in May, including Todd Wildman (110m Hurdles & High Jump), Zach Brush (800m), Chris Baer (Javelin), Chass Armstrong (1500m) and Emily Loeffler (3000m Steeplechase).  GO TIGERS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2008, 02:00:48 PM
This is the best "national" track team that Trinity has assembled in several years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on April 29, 2008, 08:51:50 PM
Enough of this track talk, when does football start again???  :) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 29, 2008, 11:50:45 PM
Quote from: Tex on April 29, 2008, 08:51:50 PM
Enough of this track talk, when does football start again???  :) 
After the National Championships in Oshkosh in late May.  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 01, 2008, 10:53:07 AM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.devmaster.net%2Fforums%2Fimages%2Fsmilies%2Fofftopic.gif&hash=63fbcbe527820731712d3702b9210b28ed6809c1)

Trinity wins SCAC over Millsaps with "unlikely" finish

Trinity Baseball team was playing Millsaps for the SCAC Championship last Sunday, April 27, in Danville, Kentucky.  Trinity was down 5-2 going into the bottom of the ninth.  Trinity scored twice to bring them within one run.  With two men on, two outs, and the count 2-2 (including a tip foul and lost bat), Trinity junior Stosh Hoover slapped the ball to the outfield and both runners scored, including a crazy play at the plate.  As a result, Trinity wins the SCAC championship & advances to the NCAA tournament.

BEFORE YOU CLICK THE LINK BELOW ... READ THIS.

The video clip is almost 10 minutes long and shows the entire bottom half of the ninth inning.  When you click on the link, IMMEDIATELY click the video PAUSE (||) button.  Wait for the entire video to load (may take a few minutes) ... the red line will fill from left to right until done.

Once the video has completely loaded, drag the slider to the 7:20 minute mark, then click PLAY.  That's the final hit and last two runs scoring.

YouTube Video: Trinity Baseball Victory over Millsaps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFFgs_R-ZZk

Here's the box score if you want to read the line and play-by-play:
http://www.scac-online.org/baseball/scac-07.htm

Another SCAC Title.  GO TIGERS!


UPDATE: out of respect for Millsaps fans and mods, the word "M*racle" has been removed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 01, 2008, 12:49:48 PM
Good win, but calling it a "miracle" smacks more of rubbing it an than anything else.  9th inning comebacks are not unheard of in baseball, especially in a tourney championship where the pitching staffs are gassed.   

I'm proud of the guys for winning the SCAC championship but wonder how I would feel if the shoe were on the other foot.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 01, 2008, 01:07:03 PM
Yeah -- let's not devalue the term Miracle by using it on something like this. That's a stretch by a long shot.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 01, 2008, 01:30:48 PM
And this is also off-topic for the football board. There's a baseball board for this.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 02, 2008, 11:32:50 AM
In the off-season, off-topic is normal, isn't it? 
(... or, if you're from Texas like us, "Ain't it?")
;D

BTW, the SCAC Baseball topic is here:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4180.0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 02, 2008, 02:30:05 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on May 02, 2008, 11:32:50 AM
In the off-season, off-topic is normal, isn't it? 

Not when there's another board built specifically for it, no.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 02, 2008, 05:20:56 PM

QuoteIn the off-season, off-topic is normal, isn't it? 

Not when there's another board built specifically for it, no.

Bravo, Pat!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 03, 2008, 10:35:40 AM
Honestly, fellas, are there really other sports besides football?   ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on May 07, 2008, 02:32:12 PM
Hendrix is on its way to adding football, contingent on fund raising efforts.

See front page (http://www.d3football.com)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 07, 2008, 05:02:24 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 07, 2008, 02:32:12 PM
Hendrix is on its way to adding football, contingent on fund raising efforts.

See front page (http://www.d3football.com)
Wow!!!

IMHO, Hendrix is getting enrollment pressure and feeling the need to add males.  The Walton family gave a large sum of money to the University of Arkansas* that dramatically impacted Hendrix Honors program a few years ago.  We are seeing the roll-out of that program and its impact on the other schools such as Hendrix.  Hendrix is 55-45 female to male in its 1191 enrollment (petersons.com.)  Let's assume the enrollment is 650 female/ 550 male.  Adding 70 to 100 men helps push Hendrix towards 1350.  The women's lacrosse is for gender equity, but might push the SCAC into a Pool A status when all of the schools that are looking at lacrosse (e.g., BSC) add it!

Errata--Only Colorado College plays Women's Lacrosse now.  BSC is considering adding the sport.


There goes one open date for games in the SCAC versus the ASC. 


*The Walton family has given very generously to the University of Arkansas, in the tens of millions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on May 07, 2008, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 07, 2008, 02:32:12 PM
Hendrix is on its way to adding football, contingent on fund raising efforts.

See front page (http://www.d3football.com)

Guess those "Hendrix Football: Undefeated Since 1960" shirts are going to be a collectors item now.

I would guess this puts the SCAC one step closer to divisional play, or the uncomfortable Big Te-leven situation where not everybody in the conference gets to play each other every year. I can think of at least one school that isn't going to drop a certain rivalry game that's outside the conference if the SCAC adds one more football team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 07, 2008, 10:44:05 PM
Good for hendrix...maybe the walton clan or probably some wal-mart generated $'s...i would guess hendrix has some alums who hit it rich with walmart, will foot the bill...wonder how much they are want to raise. Now the ball goes to southwestern, with an 300M+ endowment and in the middle of texas, why doesn't this school have football...seems like a perfect match. As OU...don't think they have the $'s to start a program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 08, 2008, 10:00:01 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on May 07, 2008, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 07, 2008, 02:32:12 PM
Hendrix is on its way to adding football, contingent on fund raising efforts.

See front page (http://www.d3football.com)

Guess those "Hendrix Football: Undefeated Since 1960" shirts are going to be a collectors item now.

I would guess this puts the SCAC one step closer to divisional play, or the uncomfortable Big Te-leven situation where not everybody in the conference gets to play each other every year. I can think of at least one school that isn't going to drop a certain rivalry game that's outside the conference if the SCAC adds one more football team.

Southwestern has shown no desire whatsoever to add FB.

Oglethorpe is incredibly strapped for cash relative to the rest of the SCAC and won't be adding FB anytime soon.

This is probably where the SCAC wanted to go, 10 teams playing FB means less scheduling headaches outside of conference for the teams out on the edges. 

As Ralph says it won't make ASC life any easier but maybe someone like UT-T will add football before much longer, it only seems logical. 

BTW the full Hendrix release is here (http://www.hendrix.edu/eventsnews/eventsnews.aspx?id=21548) and includes the following tidbit:  "Hendrix opened its new 100,000 square-foot Wellness and Athletics Center last year, a facility that includes a new artificial turf field that supports the college's new field hockey and men's lacrosse programs. The field can also accommodate football. Hendrix will need to raise funds to add infrastructure enhancements, including a new field house to accommodate football and all of the other outdoor sports."

Crimeny, an indoor football practice field.  Up in the D/FW area these are common at the HS level (!!) but I never thot I'd see them at the SCAC schools.  It will be interesting to see if between Hendrix and B-SC, a student-athletics arms race will develop amongst the remaining universities. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 08, 2008, 10:06:43 PM
The betting money is that Concordia adds football before UT-Tyler.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on May 09, 2008, 09:51:15 AM
Agreed, Ralph.  I'll also throw out the notion that if UT-T adds FB, they may not be welcome in the ASC any longer.   :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 10, 2008, 08:07:44 PM
nice read on hendrix football:

http://www.thecabin.net/stories/050708/loc_0507080007.shtml


Still think football at SW is a homerun waiting to happen...maybe they will follow that school in WV mentioned in the article...don't know how the scac would work with 11 football members though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 11, 2008, 10:44:48 AM
a DePauw recruit I ran across on the net...


QuoteJosh Mays OG of Tuttle, OK will attend Depauw University. The 6′2″ 350 lb lineman was all All-Evergreen League selection as well as All-New England. He was a two time All-State player in Oklahoma and played in the East-West Oklahoma Shrine game and Texas Oklahoma Oil Bowl.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on May 11, 2008, 03:17:13 PM
BSC's Garfinkle announces 2008 football commitments.

http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2008/5/8/2008%20fb%20commitments.asp?path=football (http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2008/5/8/2008%20fb%20commitments.asp?path=football)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on May 11, 2008, 11:45:49 PM
Any  word on the recruiting class at Austin College?  Looking forward to seeing the Roos in action in 08.  I am excited about Coach Gages' 3rd year.  He and his staff run a good program.  Will miss Coach Dawson though!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Knightstalker on May 14, 2008, 11:08:20 AM
In the month of May the VFW distributes Buddy Poppies.  Please take time to give a dollar and take a poppy.  The proceeds of this go to aid the  Disabled Vets  (http://www.vfw.org/index.cfm?fa=cmty.levelc&cid=127&tok=1)

Mike Dougherty
Commander VFW Memorial Post 3776
Secaucus NJ


In Flander's Field
by John McCrae
In Flanders Fields the poppies blow,
Between the crosses, row on row,
That mark our place; and in the sky,
The larks, still bravely singing, fly,
Scarce heard amid the guns below.
We are the dead.
Short days ago,
We lived, felt dawn, saw sunset glow,
Loved and were loved and now we lie,
In Flanders Fields.
Take up our quarrel with the foe
To you, from failing hands, we throw,
The torch, be yours to hold it high.
If ye break faith with us, who die,
We shall not sleep, though poppies grow,
In Flanders Fields.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 19, 2008, 10:42:24 AM
Trinity junior RB Chris Baer was named to compete in the Men's Javelin Throw at the NCAA Division III Track & Field Championships will be held on May 22-24 at UW-Oshkosh.  His toss of 204' 02" (62.24m) is currently the 5th best in Division III this season.

Chris will be joined by three TU teammates at the national meet ... Todd Wildman (high jump and 110 hurdles), Zach Brush (800m), and Emily Loeffler (3000m steeplechase).

I believe Chris is the only SCAC football player scheduled to compete in Oshkosh. 

Ralph, I spotted several McMurry athletes on the list.  Looks like Hanneus Ollison must be one heckuva sprinter ... he's listed as #1 in the 400 and long jump.  He'll be attempting a repeat as champ in the 400 won't he?

I checked carefully, but apparently the meet's not gonna be webcast.   :-\  ;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2008, 12:08:27 PM
Congratulations on Chris!

Trinity has a good chance to break into the Top 20 with stellar individual performances by two athletes (to get out of single digits).

Trinity will like those Directors' Cup points that they get, too.

Yes, Hanneus Ollison is a great find,  Coach Crousen has done a great job of developing his talent.  He is quite young.  He qualified in 3 sprints (100M, 200 M and 400 M) two relays (4X100 and 4X400) and the Long Jump.  He will forgo the 100M and the 200M in favor of the other events.

If McMurry can get support from Zach Shew in the High Jump, a good 100 Meters from Bert Green, do well in Hann's four events and see a dilutional effect from other performers on the field, then I would hope that McMurry might score 30-35 points.  That might do well as a team total.

I think that Ollison becomes a better 400M sprinter as he gets older!  We are attempting a repeat in the 4X100.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on May 21, 2008, 07:44:51 AM

From the Times-Picayune this morning:

Northshore (LA) running back JB Verzwyvelt will sign with Millsaps at the campus in Jackson today, Northshore coach Mike Bourg says.

I couldn't find anything about him on the web, but good for the Majors I guess.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 22, 2008, 12:32:14 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on May 21, 2008, 07:44:51 AM

From the Times-Picayune this morning:

Northshore (LA) running back JB Verzwyvelt will sign with Millsaps at the campus in Jackson today, Northshore coach Mike Bourg says.

I couldn't find anything about him on the web, but good for the Majors I guess.

It's apparently JP Verzwyvelt, not JB.  Second-team all-district 7-5A.   5'10", 178#, 4.78 in the 40.  Video here (http://hslouisiana.scout.com/a.z?s=392&p=8&c=1&nid=3099365#video) - have not looked at it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on May 22, 2008, 01:41:21 PM
A pre-med student with a 3.75 GPA is the type student-athlete I like to see at Millsaps.  I've heard some things here and there about football prospects that are supposedly coming to Millsaps next season, but with D3 you really don't now who you have until they show up and go to class.

I find it interesting that Birmingham Southern does write-ups on their recruiting commitments (http://www.bscsports.net/), something that Millsaps has never done and I don't think that many SCAC teams post this type of releases.  I can understand why the schools don't do write-ups, but I think they are nice for the incoming athletes and the fans.  I kind of wish Millsaps put out some info on new faces expected for the coming season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 22, 2008, 05:06:44 PM
I think it's a product of the school's D1 athletic heritage, Frank.   Additionally, many D3 schools don't know for sure who is going to show up for sports until they actually show up on campus.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on May 24, 2008, 10:14:46 AM
Ron, I thought the same thing about it being a case of continuing to handle these stories like they did when they were a D1 program and scholarships were involved. 

We now have about 100 days till the start of the 2008 season.  While it seems a little early for any 2008 previews, their is a 2008 football preview on the Millsaps website ( http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/08Preview.shtml ).  It is somewhat of a combination that recaps the 2007 season and talks about the possibilities for 2008.

Mostly what you'll get from the preview is a summary of the coaching changes and an idea of who Millsaps has returning at what positions.  It is written along the lines of what Millsaps would have if they started the season today.  Obviously there will be a new group of recruits that will play into the mix.  For example, I seriously doubt that Burt Pereira will be the backup quarterback next season since he and Juan Joseph will both be seniors.  I suspect an incoming freshman will have the backup position in an attempt to get them ready for the starting role in 2009.  So, take it all with a grain of salt--it's a good starting point of how the Majors will look in 2008 but at this point in time it can hardly be a complete picture.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on May 24, 2008, 10:49:54 AM
Three straight President Trophy wins! (http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=21606)

Can't say I saw this coming in 05-06 when DPU snuck up on everybody by cleaning house at the Sports Festival and took the thing.  What a great streak for all DePauw athletics.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 24, 2008, 03:59:45 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on May 24, 2008, 11:16:08 AM
Plus, if I started doing it for football, you better believe EVERY sport would want it done. 

As a former SID, I can tell you that this is absolutely 100% true, and it's a major consideration in everything an SID does for football. If I, as an SID, did something for football, I had to be sure that I could do it for my other 18 sports or that I could justify not doing it.

For me, that line was drawn at putting the assistant coaches' bios on the Web site. Basketball wanted its assistants' bios on the site, but if I did it for two basketball assistants, I'd have to do it -- and keep it updated -- for 10-12 football assistants every year. It simply wasn't an option.

I know that's kind of an opposite example, but still. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on May 24, 2008, 04:16:30 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on May 22, 2008, 01:41:21 PM

I find it interesting that Birmingham Southern does write-ups on their recruiting commitments (http://www.bscsports.net/), something that Millsaps has never done and I don't think that many SCAC teams post this type of releases.  I can understand why the schools don't do write-ups, but I think they are nice for the incoming athletes and the fans.  I kind of wish Millsaps put out some info on new faces expected for the coming season.

As we all know, I have a tendency to write long posts and part of the reason is to make sure that people don't misunderstand what I'm trying to say.  I can see how my previous post could come across as implying that Millsaps (aka Major_Fan) should be doing those stories.  That wasn't an impression that I was trying to give.

Mostly I was just making a casual observation about BSC having those write-ups which I find odd since when you ask most D3 coaches about recruits coming in, they say that they'll only know for sure when the player takes a class.  So while it is nice for the players to see their name on the school website, and it is of some interest to the fans, these stories are about people who might never spend a day of their life at the school.  The other odd thing is that when a coach does tell me about a hotshot recruit that they think is coming for next year, they usually follow that up by saying, "Now don't mention this on the D3 message board".  I understand where they are coming from, that you don't want to get talk going about someone before you are 100% sure that they are coming to the school.

As for the SID department at Millsaps, it's a shame that I'm not one of the alums giving back big bucks to the school because I would funnel some of it into the SID department.  There should be a second person at the very least working on sports information and that money shouldn't have to come completely (or at all) out of the athletic budget.  Getting out more information to newspapers and alums about the successes of the athletes would benefit the school in general and I think the school is missing the boat by not having the staff on hand to do more.  It has made a huge, positive difference that the school changed the SID position from part-time to full-time.  I think we would see the same positive difference if they added a second person to help out with the overwhelming work load.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2008, 04:56:24 PM
Frank, my suggestion to you is to endow the support activities for the SID.

Make the endowment very tightly worded so as to be used only for the support of SID activities, without drawing away resources necessary to the SID.  If they don't fund the SID activities at the level described in the endowment, then the monies are re-invested to build the corpus!  A board of the foundation or of the gift could perform oversight duties as the appropriate nature of the use of the funds.

That can be an internship, scholarships, work-study grants towards a directed educational activity that clears NCAA muster, etc., but accomplishes what Millsaps friends, parents and former athletes see as a need at Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 24, 2008, 06:23:20 PM
Trinity RB Chris Baer finished 5th today in the Men's Javelin Throw at the 2008 NCAA Division III Track & Field Championships in Oshkosh.  Baer threw a personal-best 62.55m (205' 2") to set a new Trinity school record (again) and score 4 points for the Tigers.  Teammate Zach Brush finished 6th in the 800m (3 points) and Emily Loeffler placed 3rd (6 points) in the Women's 3000m Steeplechase.  All will be honored as All-Americans!  WAY TO GO, TIGERS!!!

McMurry University won the men's team title with 35 points, paced by a strong showing by Hanneus Ollison, who won the 400m, placed second in the Long Jump, and ran in the 4X100 and 4x400 relays.  Congratulations to them as well!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 24, 2008, 06:26:38 PM
CONGRATULATIONS, Tiger Dad!

Kinda fun, wasn't it!  ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on May 24, 2008, 11:06:10 PM

Major_Fan,

In your last post, you acknowledge that players have "fake signings" at their local high school and reports the charade to their local newspaper as if it were real.  I'd like to know what Millsaps thinks of these events given that the school's name is then associated with athletic scholarships in the press. 

I've made no secret of my objections to this type of promotion and I won't further my case in this post, but I'd like to know the other point of view.  Why does Millsaps permit this?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 24, 2008, 11:31:56 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on May 24, 2008, 04:16:30 PM
SNIP...

As for the SID department at Millsaps, it's a shame that I'm not one of the alums giving back big bucks to the school because I would funnel some of it into the SID department.  There should be a second person at the very least working on sports information and that money shouldn't have to come completely (or at all) out of the athletic budget.  Getting out more information to newspapers and alums about the successes of the athletes would benefit the school in general and I think the school is missing the boat by not having the staff on hand to do more.  It has made a huge, positive difference that the school changed the SID position from part-time to full-time.  I think we would see the same positive difference if they added a second person to help out with the overwhelming work load.

Frank, the Trinity SID wrote up a really nice "press release" for my son and his HS teammate that will be playing at TU next year.  It was nice, they showed it to me.  The local fishwrap couldn't be bothered to run it, however.  I guess that's the way it is. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 25, 2008, 10:23:14 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on May 24, 2008, 11:06:10 PM

Major_Fan,

In your last post, you acknowledge that players have "fake signings" at their local high school and reports the charade to their local newspaper as if it were real.  I'd like to know what Millsaps thinks of these events given that the school's name is then associated with athletic scholarships in the press. 

I've made no secret of my objections to this type of promotion and I won't further my case in this post, but I'd like to know the other point of view.  Why does Millsaps permit this?

This comes across as a little high-horse to me.  High schools want to do nice things for their graduating seniors and announce D3 "signings" all the time.  I see it in the metroplex on a regular basis.  Don't blame Millsaps (or any other college) for the practice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on May 25, 2008, 07:21:42 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 25, 2008, 10:23:14 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on May 24, 2008, 11:06:10 PM

Major_Fan,

In your last post, you acknowledge that players have "fake signings" at their local high school and reports the charade to their local newspaper as if it were real.  I'd like to know what Millsaps thinks of these events given that the school's name is then associated with athletic scholarships in the press. 

I've made no secret of my objections to this type of promotion and I won't further my case in this post, but I'd like to know the other point of view.  Why does Millsaps permit this?

This comes across as a little high-horse to me.  High schools want to do nice things for their graduating seniors and announce D3 "signings" all the time.  I see it in the metroplex on a regular basis.  Don't blame Millsaps (or any other college) for the practice.


TU2698, in response to your question and in my opinion...

When a Division I commitment signs a letter of intent to play college ball, 99.9% of the time you see the player signing at their respective high school.  I think the reason why Div-III signees sign a "fake" letter of intent is just to stay consistent and make all the players feel like they're on the same level.  We all know how competitive D-III is, and IMHO they don't want the commitment to feel less special because they're not signing at a big-time school.  Millsaps doesn't have control over whether the kid takes a picture and the local paper writes a story, but we (the Sports Information Dept.) don't publicize any incoming student for any sport.  An incoming freshman or JC transfer might get mentioned in a season preview once they've arrived on campus, but our head coaches sometimes don't want to give anything away about a possible stud.  Division III schools with larger supporting casts often write stories for newcomers, but I guess its just the individual schools' call.  Hope that somehow gives Millsaps' point of view. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on May 25, 2008, 09:39:44 PM

High horse?  How about the kids who tell everyone they have football scholarships and don't?  What metaphor would you use for them?  I can't say that I can really grasp what's wrong with my objecting to a kid being handed an ego trip on false pretenses.  I know kids and parents that think they get athletic aid at Millsaps.  Perhaps everyone between Dallas and Fort Worth knows the difference, but down here in the most backward city on earth, I guess we're just ignorant and don't have the same type of horses that trot around the metroplex.

Thank you, Major_Fan.  That answers my question.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 26, 2008, 01:32:40 AM
Maybe it's not that big a deal.  You get overzealous HS coaches, misguided newspaper folks, proud parents into the same mix and you'll end up with some false "signings".  Those that know, know.  Those that don't have a clue will never have a clue. Banging them around the head and shoulders will likely never help them and only leave you frustrated.  I find myself going out of my way to explain to people that D-3 has no athletic money.  Some still have a hard time understanding I think. 

We live in the Youtube era. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 29, 2008, 02:35:43 AM
Some hires on the offensive side of the ball in the SCAC...

Tim Taylor has just accepted the offensive coordinator job at Colorado College.  Taylor previously held the same position at UW-River Falls.

Deke Herrin hired as receivers coach at Birmingham Southern.

Don Dover, offensive line coach from Tusculum College, has accepted the same position at Birmingham Southern
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 29, 2008, 09:34:36 AM
Was he at UW-RF when they ran the wishbone for all those years or the last couple of years when they ran the spread?

... I know, you're probably asking me that question. When I get a break at work here I'll look it up. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on May 30, 2008, 06:33:25 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on May 07, 2008, 06:32:50 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on May 07, 2008, 02:32:12 PM
Hendrix is on its way to adding football, contingent on fund raising efforts.

See front page (http://www.d3football.com)

Guess those "Hendrix Football: Undefeated Since 1960" shirts are going to be a collectors item now.

I would guess this puts the SCAC one step closer to divisional play, or the uncomfortable Big Te-leven situation where not everybody in the conference gets to play each other every year. I can think of at least one school that isn't going to drop a certain rivalry game that's outside the conference if the SCAC adds one more football team.

I've got one of those shirts so I'll preserve it for posterity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 03, 2008, 04:43:51 PM
I didn't realize it but the SCAC is having a decent showing in the NACDA Directors Cup (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/May22DIIIStandings.pdf) with two schools in the top ten.  Through May 22:

8.   DePauw   495.00
10.  Trinity   469.00
97.  Oglethorpe  156.50
111. Centre 140.00
113. Southwestern 135.00
151. Colorado College 94.00
178. Millsaps 73.00
202T.  Austin 50.00
202T.  Sewanee 50.00
238.  Rhodes 38.50

Remaining sports are baseball, softball, track, lacrosse, and rowing.   DPU and Trinity will both get additional points in women's T&F, Trinity in men's T&F, DPU in softball, Trinity in baseball - with luck that will be enough for both to stay in the top ten at season's end.  Final results come out on the 11th. 

Williams, of course, is the leader with over 900 points with WashU second, sixty points back. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 04, 2008, 08:56:44 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Days to "The Ship")

72 days to Tiger Football Report Date
94 days to Game 1
171 days to SCAC Final Game
206 days to "The Ship"


                                                                            :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 05, 2008, 09:13:17 PM
I was looking at the Millsaps football schedule for 2008 and I think I found a typo.  It shows that the Millsaps-Trinity game is being played in San Antonio and I thought that game was always played in Jackson. :)

Okay, maybe it is time for Trinity to get to host that game.  With 8 conference games plus a rival game with MS College, there isn't much flexibility for change on the Millsaps schedule other than reversing the home and away from year to year.  The one change in opponents this year is that the second game of the season will be against local NAIA school Belhaven College instead of against Louisiana College.

Link to schedule:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2008, 09:26:19 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on June 05, 2008, 09:13:17 PM
...  The one change in opponents this year is that the second game of the season will be against local NAIA school Belhaven College instead of against Louisiana College.

Link to schedule:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml
LC plays Rhodes this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 07, 2008, 07:50:38 AM
While there hasn't been any official announcement, it looks like the Saints are coming back to Millsaps for a third year to hold their training camp:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080606/COL0504/806060330/1177/SPORTS

They have always waited until some time in June to make the official announcement.  If any word got out earlier than that over the last two years, it was always someone making a comment that they weren't suppose to make, like the slip of the tongue Coach Peyton made this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 07, 2008, 07:57:56 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on June 05, 2008, 09:13:17 PM
I was looking at the Millsaps football schedule for 2008 and I think I found a typo.  It shows that the Millsaps-Trinity game is being played in San Antonio and I thought that game was always played in Jackson. :)

Now THAT was a good one, Frank!   ;D

Looking forward to hosting you and other Major fans this year ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 07, 2008, 09:45:07 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 07, 2008, 07:57:56 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on June 05, 2008, 09:13:17 PM
I was looking at the Millsaps football schedule for 2008 and I think I found a typo.  It shows that the Millsaps-Trinity game is being played in San Antonio and I thought that game was always played in Jackson. :)

Now THAT was a good one, Frank!   ;D

Looking forward to hosting you and other Major fans this year ...
TigerDad, aka Father of Trinity All-American Javelin Thrower, you get the ability to give karma after 200 posts.

I will applaud that post for you!  ;)

+1 Frank!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 08, 2008, 04:53:20 PM
Ralph Turner, aka "father" of McMurry Athetes everywhere (past & present) ... thank you for that karma boost for my colleague, Frank Ezelle.

Perhaps I should post more often to reach that magic number and gain my karmic powers.

Naaaah.  Better to post less often when I (think I) have something worthwhile to contribute than to post in vain.  Would Shakespeare have written that in the Internet age?

Only 2 months, 28 days until Tiger Football kickoff ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on June 08, 2008, 10:48:46 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 08, 2008, 04:53:20 PM

Only 2 months, 28 days until Tiger Football kickoff ...

I know mine just spent a week working out hard at 7-10,000 feet of elevation in Colorado.  (Getting ready for that CC game I guess!) Personally, I've never felt so out of shape this past week hiking up and down the hills.  I can't wait for mine to report August 15th, but I'm sure going to miss him and his buddies eating all my groceries!   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 08, 2008, 10:52:53 PM
My goodness, if I only posted when I had something worthwhile to say, then I too would be without the power to give karma!  

I too am getting anxious for the start of the football season.  Millsaps has a new, young offensive coordinator and a lot of faces to replace on the defensive side of the ball--it should be interesting to see how things go in the first couple of games.  I've heard bits and pieces about recruiting but not enough to give me a feel of how recruiting has gone for next year.  The two non-conference games with MC and Belhaven will be a tough one-two punch to open the season so I think we will find out in a hurry some of the answers to the off season questions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on June 09, 2008, 05:06:07 PM
hey, so Hendrix is adding football ehh?  nice.  two more teams and they'll have to have divisions no?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 12, 2008, 08:56:09 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Lindy's 2008 Preseason Ranking)

Lindy's 2008 College Football Preview (National Edition)
2008 Preseason DIII Football Ranking

SCAC only one team in top 25:    #19 Trinity (Texas)      "2nd to Mount Union in Win-Percentage over last
                                                                                          14 years"

(#1--Mount Union, #2--UW-Whitewater, #3--Bethel, #4--UMHB (only ASC in top 25)


2008 All-DIII Preseason Selections
Second Team Offense         Riley Curry      Trinity (Texas)      WR


2008 Games to Watch
11/1/08           Millsaps (MS)  at  Trinity (Texas)


                                                                                :)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on June 12, 2008, 11:54:42 PM
Old news, but... Somis Sports Names Millsaps on List of 25 Most Improved Teams

release here... http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/042308story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 17, 2008, 06:09:19 PM
Got my "Dave Campbell's 2008 Texas Football" Magazine in the mail today ... I pre-ordered it again this year and it came right to my desk at work!!  Of course, I didn't get any work done the rest of the day ... ;D

Short reviews of Trinity (including a mention of the videocast team) and Austin College in the SCAC ... since these schools compete outside of Texas, there's not a page devoted to the SCAC conference like the ASC, DII and D-1 school programs.

Get your copy at newstands all around Texas or visit www.texasfootball.com to order your own!  Not a plug, it's just a necessity in the Lone Star State.

OK, NOW I'm fired up for some football ... 2 months, 19 days and counting ...

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on June 18, 2008, 04:01:39 PM
i just hope you guys aren't all upset when AC comes in and kicks it up a notch this year.  You all goin down!

(in the nicest way possible of course  ;D )
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 19, 2008, 05:08:26 PM
from Dave Campbell's 2008 article on page 162:  (not my words)

"Another key is that three of the Tigers' toughest games will be played at home against DePauw, Millsaps and Rhodes. The Tigers are 60-0 vs. Division III opponents at home in the regular season since 1995."

"Since 1996, Trinity has more wins than any other collegiate program in Texas (119) and the best winning percentage (119-20, .856)."

KentATM ... hope to see you in San Antonio on Nov 15th.

TU TIGERS ... winning tradition and BEYOND
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 19, 2008, 06:09:03 PM
The only problem with streaks is that someday, they all get broken (unless you're Tiger Woods leading a major after three round, that is).    :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 19, 2008, 06:34:50 PM
Ron;

You mean like Trinity's 13-consecutive-year SCAC title streak? 

"SCAC Champions: 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, ... ( not '06 ) ...  2007"

Coulda, woulda, shoulda ... hmmmmm ...

I knew somebody from Millsaps would point it out, so I beat them to it.

;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 19, 2008, 06:40:57 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 11, 2008, 11:54:07 PM
Director's Cup (http://nacda.cstv.com/auto_pdf/p_hotos/s_chools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/DIIIJune11Standings)

Congratulations to McMurry for finishing 42nd in the 2007-08 Director's Cup, highest of any ASC school.  McMurry amassed 358 points for the year.

Note that the Directors' Cup scoring & order was revised today, June 19th ...
   ... SCAC Trinity (TX) moved up from 20th to 13th ... Men's Track +30.5 pts.

Trinity at #13 is now the highest-ranked SCAC school.  DePauw at #18 also with a fine showing nationwide.

Congratulations to all the athletes who participated in athletics in the SCAC in 2007-2008!

Now how did that happen?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on June 19, 2008, 08:28:27 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 19, 2008, 05:08:26 PM
from Dave Campbell's 2008 article on page 162:  (not my words)

"Another key is that three of the Tigers' toughest games will be played at home against DePauw, Millsaps and Rhodes. The Tigers are 60-0 vs. Division III opponents at home in the regular season since 1995."

"Since 1996, Trinity has more wins than any other collegiate program in Texas (119) and the best winning percentage (119-20, .856)."

KentATM ... hope to see you in San Antonio on Nov 15th.

TU TIGERS ... winning tradition and BEYOND

odds are i'll be there.  the election will have ended by then thus my duties as a political slave will be finished and I won't be looking for a real job just yet.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 23, 2008, 11:23:53 AM
Urban camp a hot ticket (http://www.verizon.net/newsroom/portals/newsroom.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=newsroom_portal_page_ncaaf_article&_article=1115352)

QuoteNathanael Hasselbeck sampled Texas barbecue on Friday night and on Saturday he got a taste of the Texas heat.

"I've got a newfound respect for Texas football," Hasselbeck said. "Now I understand why it's called Friday Night Lights and they play all the games on Friday night. I know I couldn't do it. I'd have to have some kind of air conditioning in my pads if I was playing high school football down here."

Hasselbeck played college football at Boston College, his brothers play quarterback in the NFL, and his father earned a Super Bowl ring.

But Hasselbeck struggled as temperatures soared to near the century mark during the inaugural Jerheme Urban Wide Receivers and Quarterbacks Camp at the Memorial senior campus practice field. ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 23, 2008, 08:54:37 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Sporting News/Street & Smith's Preseason Rankings)


2008 Sporting News/Street & Smith's College Football Preview (they have merged)
Preseason DIII Football Rankings (three pages this year)

SCAC only one team in top 25:         #15    Trinity (Texas)

(#1--Mount Union, #2--Washington & Jefferson, #3--Wesley, #4--UW-Whitewater)

Only ASC in top 25:   #6     UMHB

Games to watch:    11/1/08           Millsaps (MS)  at   Trinity (Texas)

Other teams to watch (SCAC and ASC only):   Millsaps, DePauw, HSU, Mississippi College


                                                                               :)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 24, 2008, 11:18:03 AM
Quote

Urban camp a hot ticket (http://www.verizon.net/newsroom/portals/newsroom.portal?_nfpb=true&_pageLabel=newsroom_portal_page_ncaaf_article&_article=1115352)
High schoolers take the field with NFL receiver at free camp
By Mike Forman, Victoria Advocate Sports Writer
June 21, 2008 - 10:06 p.m.

"There's not many NFL players or coaches that spend one-on-one time with a lot of the players," Hasselbeck said. "I think that's the great thing about the camp. I think just having hands on and being able to talk to a guy who's in the mix playing at that level, you can't get that teaching anywhere else."

Urban was also assisted by his brother and former Memorial quarterback, Caleb, former teammates from Trinity University and high school coaches from around the area.

The 50 campers spent the morning on the field learning the fundamentals of their positions before breaking for lunch and watching tape about coverages and getting instruction in the proper weight room techniques.

They returned to the field for more drills and 7-on-7 games before Urban spoke to them about the importance of doing well in the classroom and making the proper choices.

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Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Jerheme Urban, left, works with Memorial's Jordan Joseph
on a receiving drill Saturday at the MHS senior campus practice field. Urban, a Stroman
graduate, held a camp free of charge for high school wide receivers and quarterbacks.
Photo Credit: T.C. Baker, Victoria Advocate Staff Photographer


Complete Victoria Advocate Article (https://www.d3boards.com/Themes/classic/images/post/xx.gif):
  http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/894/story/267477.html

Victoria Advocate VIDEO (https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.victoriaadvocate.com%2Fstatic%2FDESIGN102007%2Fimages%2Ficons%2Ficon_video.gif&hash=d80bde29a1c18459bc561560f185216769b764cd):
  http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/894/story/267477-a267416-t32.html 

Nice work, Urb!  (https://www.d3boards.com/Themes/classic/images/post/thumbup.gif)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 30, 2008, 11:24:32 PM
TU fans ...
Be sure to watch the ESPY nomination show on ESPN on Tuesday, July 1st at 7pm Central Time. 
Possible "Miracle" ... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 01, 2008, 12:32:38 PM
Those who have an interest in voting for the ESPYs must register to vote on the site.  One vote per e-mail address, it would appear. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 01, 2008, 11:57:45 PM
Very cool on the lateral play espy thing.  Should have taken all the guys on the field, instead of just the ones that touched the ball.  What's four more?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 02, 2008, 11:47:09 AM
"Offensive lineman" and "ball carrier" are terms that normally aren't used in the same sentence ... and usually for good reason.     ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 03, 2008, 08:53:04 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 02, 2008, 11:47:09 AM
"Offensive lineman" and "ball carrier" are terms that normally aren't used in the same sentence ... and usually for good reason.     ;D

If you watched the play, the guard (Hooten) chunked the ball over his head blindly as soon as it hit his hands.  His rationale is that he always saw the big slow lineman try to run with the ball and he always got caught quickly.  He didn't want to be "that guy".  So he got rid of it as fast as he could.  Funny stuff. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 05, 2008, 08:13:51 AM

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http://www.gotespys.com/ (http://www.gotespys.com/)
VOTE!
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 05, 2008, 11:27:29 PM
Quote from: Tex on July 03, 2008, 08:53:04 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 02, 2008, 11:47:09 AM
"Offensive lineman" and "ball carrier" are terms that normally aren't used in the same sentence ... and usually for good reason.     ;D

If you watched the play, the guard (Hooten) chunked the ball over his head blindly as soon as it hit his hands.  His rationale is that he always saw the big slow lineman try to run with the ball and he always got caught quickly.  He didn't want to be "that guy".  So he got rid of it as fast as he could.  Funny stuff. 

Tex, considering I was at the game (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2007/10/27/Trinity+tops+Millsaps+with+miracle+finish) I'm pretty familiar with how it developed.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 06, 2008, 04:31:24 PM

I just reread your column, and it comes as no surprise that it focuses almost entirely on the last play.  I hope that no one who saw that game forgets how physical and competitive the two teams were for the first 59:58 of the game.  Should see more of the same come October 2008. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 06, 2008, 08:53:38 PM
I'll be there for the October matchup.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 06, 2008, 08:54:47 PM
 
Quote from: TU2698 on July 06, 2008, 04:31:24 PM

I just reread your column, and it comes as no surprise that it focuses almost entirely on the last play.  I hope that no one who saw that game forgets how physical and competitive the two teams were for the first 59:58 of the game.  Should see more of the same come October 2008. 

This was a quick-hit filed very rapidly after the conclusion of the game.  A followup which attempted to give broader coverage was, unfortunately, of insufficient quality to publish. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 06, 2008, 11:39:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 05, 2008, 11:27:29 PM


Tex, considering I was at the game (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2007/10/27/Trinity+tops+Millsaps+with+miracle+finish) I'm pretty familiar with how it developed.   ;D

Oh, you're *that* Ron Boerger!    ;)   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 07, 2008, 11:30:15 AM
Oh, you're *that* Tex !     ;D   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on July 07, 2008, 05:42:53 PM
Ron Boerger, AKA "Bedtime for Bonzo" (in a previous incarnation)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 07, 2008, 06:15:15 PM
 Aug 15th yet? ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 07, 2008, 06:15:44 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on July 07, 2008, 11:30:15 AM
Oh, you're *that* Tex !     ;D   

Damn straight.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 07, 2008, 07:07:05 PM
Quote2008 Sporting News/Street & Smith's College Football Preview (they have merged)

THAT'S why no Street and Smith's at the bookstore...I've been on the manager's arse about getting Street and Smith's in...another one of the the legendary brand names goes by the wayside... ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 07, 2008, 08:29:10 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 07, 2008, 07:07:05 PM
Quote2008 Sporting News/Street & Smith's College Football Preview (they have merged)

THAT'S why no Street and Smith's at the bookstore...I've been on the manager's arse about getting Street and Smith's in...another one of the the legendary brand names goes by the wayside... ???
Probably put out of business by KICKOFF 2008.

Couldn't beat the competition!  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 08, 2008, 06:30:16 PM
QuoteProbably put out of business by KICKOFF 2008.

Couldn't beat the competition! 

right on!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on July 10, 2008, 04:09:20 PM
Any favorites yet to take over as lead back from Marks?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 11, 2008, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on July 10, 2008, 04:09:20 PM
Any favorites yet to take over as lead back from Marks?

I believe they're waiting for camp to start before they evaluate.  I think there's some new talent coming this year that they're interested in evaluating before making a decision.  Haven't talked to anybody in quite some time, though.

EDIT:  Apparently Elijah Campbell is the name to watch for.  Sophomore out of Cardinal Ritter in Indy.  Ran well the couple of times I saw him last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 12, 2008, 03:20:14 PM
Jeremiah ... then Elijah ... 

who's next, Ezekiel?   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 12, 2008, 07:11:26 PM
For you fans who are new to the SCAC, I have provided this matrix to help you in understanding the mascots and team colors of the members.

There are numerous similarities.  The chart should help.  We have consolidated some of the similarities, especially if your mother never bought you a box of crayons that had more than 8 or 16 colors, so you might know the names of the weird ones. As for the species of from the Genus Felidae, we have included them in one column.

AC Crimson. Gold....Roos
BSC . .Gold Black.    .Panthers .
Centre..Gold.White . . Colonels
ColoColl ..GoldBlack.Tigers .
DPU..Old GoldBlack .Tigers.
Millsaps . Purple..White. .Majors
Rhodes Red ..Black..Lynx .
Sewanee.Purple..White . Tigers .
TrinityMaroon... White . Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 12, 2008, 11:04:56 PM
Basically, if you don't know a team's mascot, go with Tigers.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 13, 2008, 12:46:20 PM
QuoteAny favorites yet to take over as lead back from Marks?

In addition to Elijah Campbell, I think Curtis Moore will be in the mix as well. I believe he is a junior. Played sparingly last season, but rushed for 184 yards vs. Birmingham Southern. As Wes suggested , I think this year's freshman class includes alot of talent at the RB position.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 14, 2008, 03:35:31 PM
I think I would rather us be called AC over Austin.  At least its more accurate.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2008, 03:47:53 PM
Is that to distinguish you from Austin University or Austin Technical Institute?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on July 14, 2008, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2008, 03:47:53 PM
Is that to distinguish you from Austin University or Austin Technical Institute?

Also for those in Texas, to distinguish us from UT at Austin and Stephen F. Austin in Nacogdoches.  ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2008, 09:49:54 PM
Quote from: roocru on July 14, 2008, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2008, 03:47:53 PM
Is that to distinguish you from Austin University or Austin Technical Institute?

Also for those in Texas, to distinguish us from UT at Austin and Stephen F. Austin in Nacogdoches.  ::)
And Austin CC, too.

www.austincc.edu

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 14, 2008, 10:48:31 PM
Austin Community is the big one to me on the mix ups.

Its a snobby gripe, but I HATE when people think I went to a community college in Austin.  It makes it sound like I failed out of A&M rather than transferring for a small campus atmosphere.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2008, 11:32:02 PM
Quote from: roocru on July 14, 2008, 09:21:49 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 14, 2008, 03:47:53 PM
Is that to distinguish you from Austin University or Austin Technical Institute?

Also for those in Texas, to distinguish us from UT at Austin and Stephen F. Austin in Nacogdoches.  ::)

Neither of those are called "Austin" however, not even UT-Austin, so I just don't get it. It's not like Washington College and Washington University.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 14, 2008, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: KentATM on July 14, 2008, 10:48:31 PM
Austin Community is the big one to me on the mix ups.

Its a snobby gripe, but I HATE when people think I went to a community college in Austin.  It makes it sound like I failed out of A&M rather than transferring for a small campus atmosphere.

Hey, it's OK.  Everybody thinks I went to DePaul.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2008, 11:53:15 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on July 14, 2008, 11:34:57 PM
Quote from: KentATM on July 14, 2008, 10:48:31 PM
Austin Community is the big one to me on the mix ups.

Its a snobby gripe, but I HATE when people think I went to a community college in Austin.  It makes it sound like I failed out of A&M rather than transferring for a small campus atmosphere.

Hey, it's OK.  Everybody thinks I went to DePaul.
Yeah, didn't they have that famous basketball coach, old whats his name?  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 15, 2008, 12:17:13 PM
You guys have nothing to complain about.  Go look at how many institutions of higher learning are called Trinity.  There's even a diploma mill with that name (or was, I think the alma mater sued it and they changed).   Now THAT is annoying, at least you don't have to say "Austin (TX)" all the time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 15, 2008, 12:26:48 PM
Happens everywhere, y'all.

I went to Iowa State University.  No, not the Buckeyes ... that's OHIO State.  No, not the Hawkeyes ... that's University of Iowa.  Our team name ... the Cyclones.  Mascot?  A tornado?  No ... a red bird.  Huh?  A Cardinal named "Cy".  Colors ... Cardinal and Gold.  Go figure.

But, hey, I can top that.  I went to Freeport High School in Freeport, Illinois.  Mascot?  The PRETZELS.  Seriously.  "Pretzel City USA".
(see http://www.freeportpretzelathletics.com)

Sorry ... slow day ... football is still 1 month, 22 days till KICKOFF.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on July 15, 2008, 02:07:06 PM
Tiger Dad, The pretzel nickname absolutely, positively takes the cake for WORST ever nickname out there. I never would have believed it until I saw the link. Is there another team in the confernce called the Patato Chips ??( sorry I couldn't help it) HA HA
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 15, 2008, 06:11:56 PM
are ya'll not the only school named Trinity University?  I would thin the main one you would get mixed with would be Trinity College in Connecticut.   At least Trinity is in San Antonio though. 

explaining AC is nowhere near Austin is pain.  Especially since hardly anyone knows where Sherman is.  In case any of ya'll wanted to know, its about 40-50 minutes North of downtown Dallas.

(random fact - the guy the city is named after never came to see it, same for the Grayson County namesake.)

I think there is some high school that I see show up on one of the movie channels in some documentary show that is called the Nimrods.

I'm fine with Kangaroos though I know quite a few that think its stupid.  I just reply its better than being a generic name like the Tigers (kick to TUs groin).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 15, 2008, 07:33:13 PM
There's a Trinity University in Washington, D.C., that is also NCAA Division III.

Indeed, it did take me a few years to realize Austin College is nowhere near Austin. Not that calling it Austin College would help that. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 15, 2008, 07:34:59 PM
KentATM---
How would you describe Austin's football facilities? Turf or natural grass? Any pics?
Thanks....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 15, 2008, 09:38:29 PM
Pat, too bad we just can't be Stephen F. Austin since we are over 70 years older than SFA.  How often is a school a namesake that people think is named after a town that is itself a namesake to your namesake?  :P  My head is hurting from that repetition.

DPUFan, what we have is certainly not spectacular but it gets the job done. 

Its new, clean and a modest size though many a high school stadium in this state dwarfs it.

Visitor stands are uncovered bleachers.  Home side has a small press box area that creates an overhang and shade for maybe a quarter of the the seats.

The field is plain old grass and is surrounded by a decaying track.  (which always slightly annoyed me as a high school X-Country runner.)  Students sometimes sit right up on the back of the street side end zone with couches and lawn chairs shaking homemade noise makers.  I have seen quite a few opposing players and coaches get rather upset at whatever is being said over there but its really nothing worse than anything I ever heard on the field from players when I played in high school.

Never been to the dressing rooms so can't comment.  Took a class in one of the film rooms.  All I can say for it is last semester somebody threw up in there and it stank for two weeks.  It was a sweet graduation present I'll tell ya.   

Our athletic complex is right next to it.  Its nice enough and gets the job done but sparse on the amenities.   Parking on game days can be hassle b/c there is student housing right across the street.  There is a vacant lot people can also parking thats across from the stadium but I don't know if things are going to be changed up b/c they are currently building what looks like a really nice intramural complex on that same road near our brand new tennis center.  A few roads have been closed that would have made the drive to the stadium easier coming off 75 off the campus so make sure your maps are up to date.

all in all I like it. 

the first link is construction pictures.  the second will take you to game shots.  this should give you a good idea of the area.

http://artemis.austincollege.edu/photos/facilities/applestad/applestad.htm (http://artemis.austincollege.edu/photos/facilities/applestad/applestad.htm)

http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?1472 (http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?1472)

and if anyone is interested this one shows you all the campus improvements from the last few years.

http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?785 (http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?785)



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 15, 2008, 09:50:21 PM
Thanks for the excellent information KentATM...look forward to making the trip there on Haloween afternoon...how are the 'Roos looking?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 15, 2008, 10:46:44 PM
from what I heard a couple players say they are going to diversify the offense a bit which is good b/c our option just isn't explosive enough if we get down early. 

I haven't paid too much attention though since I graduated this past Spring.  I'll assume that since they have shown improvement in their first two years under Gage they could potentially be in for a winning record this year.  Of course all that depends on the QB play.

If they can generate some more points (or at least win the field position and TOP battles more consistently) they should be able to hold leads better this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 16, 2008, 12:12:03 PM
Thanks, Kent.....looking forward to it...any good places to stay in Austin? otherwise, I think we're looking in north Dalas area....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 16, 2008, 01:17:20 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 16, 2008, 12:12:03 PM
any good places to stay in Austin?

Didn't read one bit of why he hates being called "Austin", did you?   :D  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 16, 2008, 01:54:51 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 16, 2008, 12:12:03 PM
Thanks, Kent.....looking forward to it...any good places to stay in Austin? otherwise, I think we're looking in north Dalas area....


Sorry, but that made me laugh out loud.  I think he means Sherman.
(and if so, the answer is "no")
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 16, 2008, 02:02:17 PM
QuoteDidn't read one bit of why he hates being called "Austin", did you?     

wow---believe it or not, yes I did...got to get back on my ADD meds... ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 16, 2008, 03:51:06 PM
Quote from: KentATM on July 15, 2008, 06:11:56 PM

I think there is some high school that I see show up on one of the movie channels in some documentary show that is called the Nimrods.

I'm fine with Kangaroos though I know quite a few that think its stupid.  I just reply its better than being a generic name like the Tigers (kick to TUs groin).

Regarding "Nimrods," I believe you speak of the scourge of "dat yooper state of Superior," Watersmeet, Michigan.   The Logansport High School (IN) Berries is a lame name as well - at least the Pretzels' yell leaders might conceive some salty cheers.  ;)

Add a well-placed boot to the DPU Tiger's nether region as well.  ;D ;D  WAF

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 16, 2008, 04:53:09 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 16, 2008, 12:12:03 PM
Thanks, Kent.....looking forward to it...any good places to stay in Austin? otherwise, I think we're looking in north Dalas area....


:D  demonstrated perfectly why we get in a huff

none of the hotels that I have seen in Sherman are anything special.  They are all things like Hampton Inn and such.  If you do stay in a Sherman hotel, stay on the ones that are on 75.  The ones on Texoma Parkway are old and kind of gross.

There are a few bed and breakfasts right near the school though.  Problem is they all seem to be closing due to lack of biz (i can't imagine why  ::) )

If you want to be able to go out and do something in Dallas, stay no further up than Plano.  Otherwise the drive may become a hassle. 

If you do stay in Sherman, the best sports bar we have (IMO anyway) is called Cellermans and is on Texoma.  It has decent food and a solid atmosphere and a ton of different kinds of beer to try.  Its not open on Sundays though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 16, 2008, 08:27:36 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 16, 2008, 12:12:03 PM
Thanks, Kent.....looking forward to it...any good places to stay in Austin? otherwise, I think we're looking in north Dalas area....


The closest "business class" hotel is the Hilton Garden Inn.  It's in Allen, about 35 miles south of Sherman.

Sherman itself has an assortment of tourist class motels (La Quinta, Hampton Inn, etc) but have never stayed at any of them. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 16, 2008, 08:33:09 PM
Ron and Kent---
Thank you for the great info...we look forward to visiting Sherman and the Austin College campus...imagine we'll either be in the University Park area of Dallas or perhaps Plano for accomodations...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on July 18, 2008, 07:04:16 AM
Back home safe from the ESPYs...  wow, what an experience!  I guess we needed one more lateral!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 18, 2008, 09:18:58 AM
Had the play been in the best finish category, it would have no doubt been the winner.   Glad everyone had a good time ... now, on to 2008!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on July 18, 2008, 04:51:48 PM
Anybody notice that the picture on the front page isn't from the lateral play.  The picture has Trinity headed into the South Endzone, so it must have been from the 3rd quarter. 
The lateral play took place from Trinity's 38 and went North.
Anyway, just thought that was interesting.  Is anybody else ready from some football? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2008, 07:39:01 PM
I asked Trinity for lateral photos and this was one I was sent. It seems to be in sequence, filenamewise, with the other lateral photos. (Unless Trinity's linemen touched the ball in another play in that game as well.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on July 18, 2008, 10:06:17 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on July 18, 2008, 04:51:48 PM
Anybody notice that the picture on the front page isn't from the lateral play.  The picture has Trinity headed into the South Endzone, so it must have been from the 3rd quarter. 
The lateral play took place from Trinity's 38 and went North.
Anyway, just thought that was interesting.  Is anybody else ready from some football? 

Trust me, that photo was from the 4th quarter and they're headed towards our end zone.  If I'm not mistaken, that's a wide receiver about to pitch the ball backwards (you don't see that often unless it's a reverse or trick play).  The play started on TU's 40 officially and went towards the South end zone I believe.  Yes, I'm ready for some football as well.  I have Nov. 1 circled on the calendar.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 18, 2008, 10:13:58 PM
Yes, that is the first touch by Maddux.  Trinity is on the east (sunny) side line and the shadows are correct.

#50 spins around Maddux as Maddux laterals the ball backwards.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 19, 2008, 08:56:46 AM
I can vouch for that photo being taken on the final play of the game.  For you guys who went to the ESPY awards, I'm curious if they had any photos of the play in the ESPY program?  I had requests for photos from ESPN and I sent them the photos they requested, but I never heard if they used them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 19, 2008, 09:08:22 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 19, 2008, 08:56:46 AM
I can vouch for that photo being taken on the final play of the game. 

:)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 21, 2008, 09:04:09 AM
Only a little disappointing that the Tigers didn't bring home an ESPY award ... all seven of the players, plus the play-by-play announcer, the cameraman, the engineer, and several of the coaches got to make the trip to L.A. for the festivities.  All reported that they were treated like kings and met tons of sports celebrities.  Photos and stories coming soon ...

In the meantime, had to change the http://www.gotespys.com (http://www.gotespys.com) website to "not espys."   ;)

So ... that kind closes the door on the 2007 season ... probably best for everyone so we can move on to 2008.  Should be another great season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on July 21, 2008, 11:27:39 AM
Quote from TigerDad
"So ... that kind closes the door on the 2007 season ... probably best for everyone so we can move on to 2008.  Should be another great season!"

Yes, time to move on the game was 9 months ago.  They didn't even show the TU players in the crowd, what's up with that?

On a totally different topic, Frank Ezelle our faithful volunteer photographer who has contributed so, so much to our athletic department the previous 5 years, has decided to stick to his full-time job this season and not snap photos at our sporting events.  I'm sure all of you on this board know of his tremendous work ethic in getting photos up for our athletic department, and we can't thank him enough for his FREE work!  All of our publications use his photos, as well as parents, fans, D3football, ESPN, etc., so please let me take this time to say THANK YOU FRANK!  You've been a big 6th-man on our staff and it will be tough to find someone with your passion and attention to detail to replace your talents.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 21, 2008, 12:30:28 PM
I know Millsaps will miss Frank ... as will fans of opposing teams who got to see his handywork whenever they played Millsaps.  Thanks, Frank, and maybe you'll be able to get back to it some year.

On another note, the SCAC website is going to be redesigned by PrestoSports (who have done a number of other D3 conference websites).  See the PrestoSports release (http://www.prestosports.com/news/releases/2008/20080713_scacpartnership) for details. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 21, 2008, 09:40:25 PM
I'm sitting here watching the espys rerun on the deuce.  First of all, Timberlake was pretty funny on some stuff.  That surprised me.  The Gundy interview and the TO interview spoofs were funny.

Eli Manning' line was killer "I'd like to thank my offensive line for not blocking anybody."   Funny stuff and one of the greatest superbowl games in a really long time. 

Best play...  that Giants play was pretty good.  The hockey goal was some incredible stickwork as well.  Tough competition.  What an honor to even be included in that list. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on July 23, 2008, 08:58:05 PM
Just dug my own grave...
DuBose Announces 2008 Incoming Class at Millsaps
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/072308story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 24, 2008, 11:48:08 PM
To view the video in the correct size and aspect ratio, try this link instead:
  http://www.trinitymiracle.com/kabb-trinityespyvideo.htm
In the right panel, click "Play Video". 


UPDATE (7/28/2008):
  http://kabb.com/vod/videoplayer-s.shtml
In the right panel, scroll down to locate "TRINITY PLAYERS BACK FROM ESPY'S", click the "plus" icon, then click "Play Video".  The Trinity video will start after a short Wendy's commercial..

Thanks to Hector Ledesma and the KABB Maximum Sports staff for taking time to go to the airport and catch the guys as they returned from Los Angeles.

What a great insight into what it must have been like for these young men to go to ESPY-land and get a chance to meet some of the biggest sports stars of modern times.  How much fun must that have been?!?!  We can all be proud of how the players and coaches represented Trinity, the SCAC, and D3 Football!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 27, 2008, 09:18:24 AM
The temps in College Station bumped up over 100 yesterday and today.   Nothing says football is about to hit TX than a nice 100+ degree scorcher. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 27, 2008, 04:42:12 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on July 10, 2008, 04:09:20 PM
Any favorites yet to take over as lead back from Marks?

Wanted to get back with you on this.  Heard an unconfirmed rumor that one of the new freshman coming in to camp was Indiana's leading rusher in Class 5A from a season ago.  A kid by the name of Creighton Harrington from Decatur Central.  2242 yards and 18 TD's for the Hawks.  Second leading rusher in the state behind a kid from St. Joe's in South Bend, who, you may or may not recall, went all the way to the dome and lost the 3A championship to Chatard.

From a quick and dirty google search, I saw that all the local D-1 schools gave him a look (Ball State, IU, Purdue, Illinois) but I don't think he was ever offered a scholarship.  Scout.com lists him at 6'1 and a touch over 200 pounds.   Couple other folks called him a "a downhill, in between the tackles type runner."  Sounds kinds familiar.  Like somebody I used to know.  Having trouble picturing him.  This guy, maybe?

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chaptertools.net%2Fsite_files%2Flibphoto_1190068876.jpg&hash=a752bcf122bf596604acd1195973325b0264b7e3)

Yep.  That's the one I was thinking of.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 27, 2008, 08:41:17 PM
QuoteHeard an unconfirmed rumor that one of the new freshman coming in to camp was Indiana's leading rusher in Class 5A from a season ago.  A kid by the name of Creighton Harrington

Yes, Wes, he is coming to DePauw for sure...I've never seen him play but have heard some really good things about him...hopefuly he can be a contributor...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on July 27, 2008, 09:58:52 PM
Harrington is an excellent recruit, but let's hold off on the coronation as the next Marks until he actually steps on the field and contributes. 

Any chance of an updated roster on the DePauw website anytime soon?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 27, 2008, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on July 27, 2008, 09:58:52 PM
Harrington is an excellent recruit, but let's hold off on the coronation as the next Marks until he actually steps on the field and contributes. 

Any chance of an updated roster on the DePauw website anytime soon?

Usually see a roster once camp gets going.

And I didn't crown him anything.  The similarity in the running styles of the two is allegedly quite striking.  It's also supposed to be, you know, a joke. 

Must not have been as funny as I thought. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 27, 2008, 11:00:01 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on July 27, 2008, 04:42:12 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on July 10, 2008, 04:09:20 PM
Any favorites yet to take over as lead back from Marks?

Wanted to get back with you on this.  Heard an unconfirmed rumor that one of the new freshman coming in to camp was Indiana's leading rusher in Class 5A from a season ago.  A kid by the name of Creighton Harrington from Decatur Central.  2242 yards and 18 TD's for the Hawks.  Second leading rusher in the state behind a kid from St. Joe's in South Bend, who, you may or may not recall, went all the way to the dome and lost the 3A championship to Chatard.

From a quick and dirty google search, I saw that all the local D-1 schools gave him a look (Ball State, IU, Purdue, Illinois) but I don't think he was ever offered a scholarship.  Scout.com lists him at 6'1 and a touch over 200 pounds.   Couple other folks called him a "a downhill, in between the tackles type runner."  Sounds kinds familiar.  Like somebody I used to know.  Having trouble picturing him.  This guy, maybe?

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.chaptertools.net%2Fsite_files%2Flibphoto_1190068876.jpg&hash=a752bcf122bf596604acd1195973325b0264b7e3)

Yep.  That's the one I was thinking of.

Wes I bet this kid had a helluva O-line.  Those are nice numbers. 
Title: Trinity finally installs Fieldturf ...
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2008, 01:01:40 AM
...

too bad it's on the intramural field (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/08IMField.htm).

Title: Re: Trinity finally installs Fieldturf ...
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2008, 02:10:59 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2008, 01:01:40 AM...

too bad it's on the intramural field (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/08IMField.htm).

and exactly 10' too narrow and 10' too short to accommodate 11-man football...

:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2008, 09:10:44 AM
Was I the only one who read between the lines and thought Trinity is posturing lacrosse as a soon-to-be varsity sport?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on July 28, 2008, 09:49:06 AM
Karma's a *&%$#.  You longtime posters, is it really possible to lose 3 Karma Points for 1 post??? ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 28, 2008, 10:41:12 AM

Technically I think it is possible, but strange.  I didn't see anything hinting at your having deviated form warm and fuzzy content.  Maybe some people were offended at your use of the word "grave."  That kind of stuff happens around here. 

Minus one for me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2008, 10:44:15 AM
I only see that after five days it could be just one person for three points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2008, 10:52:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2008, 09:10:44 AM
Was I the only one who read between the lines and thought Trinity is posturing lacrosse as a soon-to-be varsity sport?
Actually, the way that Lacrosse is taking off as a sport in the upper-middle class suburbs in the DFW area, it makes sense as the next sport for Trinity to add.

With the SCAC getting close to Pool A status in the sport, it makes sense for TU and Southwestern to add it.  Whether AC follows along will be something to watch.

BSC, Colorado College, Hendrix, and Sewanee already offer the sport.  The SCAC does not go after affiliates, but the core is there and the SCAC "old guard" schools have the endowments to add this.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2008, 01:10:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2008, 09:10:44 AM
Was I the only one who read between the lines and thought Trinity is posturing lacrosse as a soon-to-be varsity sport?

I've often thought that lacrosse would be the next SCAC sport, and Trinity has had a club team for some while. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on July 28, 2008, 01:57:43 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on July 28, 2008, 09:49:06 AM
Karma's a *&%$#.  You longtime posters, is it really possible to lose 3 Karma Points for 1 post??? ???
We've seen karma fall for lots of reasons.  Sometimes no reason at all, just someone being a jerk.  It was far worse on the old board though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 28, 2008, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: Tex on July 27, 2008, 11:00:01 PM
Wes I bet this kid had a helluva O-line.  Those are nice numbers. 

You know, I was shocked to see this kid's stats and I tell you why.  Decatur Central really isn't that big of a football powerhouse in this state.  A 5A school (which I believe is smallish by metro Indy standards) way out on the southwest side of Indianapolis by the airport.  You'd have to think that he would have a great offensive line to do that, but it's entirely possible that he didn't.

DC had a couple of pretty nice runs at the start of the decade, but they're more or less a .500 team over the past 5 or 6 years.  They're just not on a level with the Carmel's, Pike's, Bloomington South's, and and Franklin Central's of Indiana 5A football.  Pretty remarkable that the kid can go for almost 10 ypc against the cream of the proverbial crop in this state.  Sure, they had the requisite cupcakes on the schedule, but they still played a tough schedule against good football teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 28, 2008, 03:22:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2008, 10:52:52 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 28, 2008, 09:10:44 AM
Was I the only one who read between the lines and thought Trinity is posturing lacrosse as a soon-to-be varsity sport?
Actually, the way that Lacrosse is taking off as a sport in the upper-middle class suburbs in the DFW area, it makes sense as the next sport for Trinity to add.

With the SCAC getting close to Pool A status in the sport, it makes sense for TU and Southwestern to add it.  Whether AC follows along will be something to watch.

BSC, Colorado College, Hendrix, and Sewanee already offer the sport.  The SCAC does not go after affiliates, but the core is there and the SCAC "old guard" schools have the endowments to add this.

It seems to me from speaking to the coach, who I went there with, that LAX is going to eventually become a varsity sport at AC.  They are currently building a really nice intramural complex where they are going to now play as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on July 28, 2008, 04:22:14 PM
 It seems to me that lacrosse has taken over for the soccer craze that once drew a lot of players away from the baseball and softball little leagues. Almost all of the clubs teams have been picked up by the high schools in this area(Phila burbs), Where as it used to be that only the private schools sponsored the sport. I know of a few exceptional football players who have gone on to college to play lacrosse.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2008, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on July 28, 2008, 09:49:06 AM
Karma's a *&%$#.  You longtime posters, is it really possible to lose 3 Karma Points for 1 post??? ???

Oh heck, I've lost way more than that for a post in the past.  So have one back on me. 

I was curious why you thought you were 'digging your own grave,' tho - seemed like a perfectly good link and story. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on July 28, 2008, 05:45:10 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on July 28, 2008, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: Tex on July 27, 2008, 11:00:01 PM
Wes I bet this kid had a helluva O-line.  Those are nice numbers. 

You know, I was shocked to see this kid's stats and I tell you why.  Decatur Central really isn't that big of a football powerhouse in this state.  A 5A school (which I believe is smallish by metro Indy standards) way out on the southwest side of Indianapolis by the airport.  You'd have to think that he would have a great offensive line to do that, but it's entirely possible that he didn't.

DC had a couple of pretty nice runs at the start of the decade, but they're more or less a .500 team over the past 5 or 6 years.  They're just not on a level with the Carmel's, Pike's, Bloomington South's, and and Franklin Central's of Indiana 5A football.  Pretty remarkable that the kid can go for almost 10 ypc against the cream of the proverbial crop in this state.  Sure, they had the requisite cupcakes on the schedule, but they still played a tough schedule against good football teams.

At least one of the linemen was All-State caliber - Bob Belden, so I would guess there were some pretty healthy running lanes in that direction.  But even so, Harrington had a fantastic season, against, as Wes said, a pretty decent schedule of opponents.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on July 28, 2008, 06:01:37 PM
Quote from: KentATM on July 28, 2008, 03:22:40 PMIt seems to me from speaking to the coach, who I went there with, that LAX is going to eventually become a varsity sport at AC.  They are currently building a really nice intramural complex where they are going to now play as well.

Sorry to know that you were subjected to Travis for any length of time, Ken.  I should know--I have to work with him daily.   :) 8) ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on July 28, 2008, 06:20:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2008, 04:42:06 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on July 28, 2008, 09:49:06 AM
Karma's a *&%$#.  You longtime posters, is it really possible to lose 3 Karma Points for 1 post??? ???

Oh heck, I've lost way more than that for a post in the past.  So have one back on me. 

I was curious why you thought you were 'digging your own grave,' tho - seemed like a perfectly good link and story. 

Well, I mentioned to Pat C. a few weeks back that if I started posting committments for football, that I'd have to do it for EVERY sport.  By me saying I was "digging my own grave" was that I felt I'd start hearing comments from parents asking why I ONLY did that for football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on July 28, 2008, 06:31:42 PM
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml

This program has come a long way since the 8 years I have been out of it.  To have a JV schedule posted to the website is not something I thought I would ever see.  This should be a fun season in the SCAC!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 28, 2008, 06:50:23 PM
QuoteThis should be a fun season in the SCAC!

Anyone know when the preseason voting by the SCAC coaches will be released?
Title: Re: Trinity finally installs Fieldturf ...
Post by: Tex on July 28, 2008, 08:28:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2008, 01:01:40 AM
...

too bad it's on the intramural field (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/08IMField.htm).



Are you f-ing kidding me?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on July 28, 2008, 08:56:09 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 28, 2008, 06:50:23 PM
QuoteThis should be a fun season in the SCAC!

Anyone know when the preseason voting by the SCAC coaches will be released?


Usually not until late, late August right before the season starts.  It's normally the main thing I lack in the media guide that I get at the last minute.  The sooner the better I say. ;)

My predictions (first place votes in parenthesis):
1. Millsaps (6)
2. DePauw (2)
3. Trinity (1)
4. Austin
5. Centre
6. Rhodes
7. Colorado College
8. Sewanee
9. Birmingham-Southern (still a provisional member)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2008, 09:51:15 PM
Quote from: exmajor on July 28, 2008, 06:31:42 PM
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/schedule.shtml

This program has come a long way since the 8 years I have been out of it.  To have a JV schedule posted to the website is not something I thought I would ever see.  This should be a fun season in the SCAC!
You have answered one of my questions about Southeast Houston Prep.

I saw their write-up in Dave Campbell's Texas Football.  I will not be surprised if they beat your JV by 30 points.  :-\

They are trying to build a prep program in a part of the country that has not had one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 28, 2008, 11:29:12 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on July 28, 2008, 02:51:46 PM
Quote from: Tex on July 27, 2008, 11:00:01 PM
Wes I bet this kid had a helluva O-line.  Those are nice numbers. 

You know, I was shocked to see this kid's stats and I tell you why.  Decatur Central really isn't that big of a football powerhouse in this state.  A 5A school (which I believe is smallish by metro Indy standards) way out on the southwest side of Indianapolis by the airport.  You'd have to think that he would have a great offensive line to do that, but it's entirely possible that he didn't.

DC had a couple of pretty nice runs at the start of the decade, but they're more or less a .500 team over the past 5 or 6 years.  They're just not on a level with the Carmel's, Pike's, Bloomington South's, and and Franklin Central's of Indiana 5A football.  Pretty remarkable that the kid can go for almost 10 ypc against the cream of the proverbial crop in this state.  Sure, they had the requisite cupcakes on the schedule, but they still played a tough schedule against good football teams.

Wes, I've seen my son's HS o-line coach consistently taken a bunch of undersized linemen and turn them into a unit that could neutralize bigger opponents and use precision and finesse to open holes.  Year in and year out, there'd always be questions about the o-line, could they do it...  every year, they put together 6 or 7 kids that could play together, smart enough to know what to do and skilled enough athletes to execute the plan.  (D-3 type kids IMHO)  My son's team ran a lot of a modified  winged-T.

So, even a "have-not" team with the right coaching and discipline opens up those holes.  It takes a hard nosed, tough as nails kid as RB to make the most of those holes and rack up the yards.  But that kid only gets 1000 yards.  To get 2000, it takes a RB with skill and speed to take advantage of those holes.  To get to 2000, no RB can do it without an O-line that plays together as a unit.  And, to do it against skilled opponents. 

(Granted I'm a former HS o-line coach.  I'm sorta biased)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 29, 2008, 07:49:40 AM
QuoteThe sooner the better I say.

agree!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 29, 2008, 12:42:11 PM
So nice that the TU lacrosse team (and ultimate Frisbee teams) will be playing on Field Turf this fall.  It would be a shame to waste such a surface on the football squad.  Grass is so much more comfortable and low-maintenance.  Hey, maybe the football team can practice on the Field Turf once in a while if it's not being used by anyone else ... 
???  :(  :-[  >:(  :-\  :)  ;) ... whatever.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 29, 2008, 12:44:56 PM
Quote from: Tex on July 28, 2008, 11:29:12 PM
To get 2000, it takes a RB with skill and speed to take advantage of those holes.  To get to 2000, no RB can do it without an O-line that plays together as a unit.  And, to do it against skilled opponents.

(Granted I'm a former HS o-line coach.  I'm sorta biased)

You're biased, you say?  I couldn't tell.   :D  I think we're splitting hairs, anyway.  There isn't a D3 caliber back in the country that can run for 2000 yards on the best high schools in their state without a good front 5.  The kids that CAN do that are awfully highly coveted by the big schools. 

But, I still say it's a mighty fine accomplishment against some good football teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 29, 2008, 02:28:17 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on July 29, 2008, 12:42:11 PM
So nice that the TU lacrosse team (and ultimate Frisbee teams) will be playing on Field Turf this fall.  It would be a shame to waste such a surface on the football squad.  Grass is so much more comfortable and low-maintenance.  Hey, maybe the football team can practice on the Field Turf once in a while if it's not being used by anyone else ... 

The only things I can think of to justify this move are:

(1) As Pat inferred, TU is serious about starting a lacrosse team but did not want the FB team to suffer from two teams sharing the field (do the seasons even overlap?).    Cost to turf the intramural field is probably much less than the football field where drainage and other concerns come into play. 
(2) A donor came by and said "I'll give you $XXX,XXX to replace the intramural fields with turf" and the school happily accepted.
(3) They are using the less-demanding installation on the intramural field as a learning experience towards the FB field whenever the stadium upgrade project comes about. 

The $200M campaign which, among other things, will fund the stadium improvements, sat at just over 80% as of May - $165M.  Apparently the stadium upgrades are low priority and/or a named donor to fund the improvements has not been found. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2008, 02:42:03 PM
They don't overlap (lax is a spring sport). But men's lacrosse fields and football fields are actually not very compatible in terms of dimensions, from what I have observed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 29, 2008, 11:09:11 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on July 29, 2008, 12:44:56 PM
Quote from: Tex on July 28, 2008, 11:29:12 PM
To get 2000, it takes a RB with skill and speed to take advantage of those holes.  To get to 2000, no RB can do it without an O-line that plays together as a unit.  And, to do it against skilled opponents.

(Granted I'm a former HS o-line coach.  I'm sorta biased)

You're biased, you say?  I couldn't tell.   :D  I think we're splitting hairs, anyway.  There isn't a D3 caliber back in the country that can run for 2000 yards on the best high schools in their state without a good front 5.  The kids that CAN do that are awfully highly coveted by the big schools. 

But, I still say it's a mighty fine accomplishment against some good football teams.

agreed.  I look forward to seeing him play one day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 30, 2008, 04:44:16 PM
Ron & Pat;

Thanks for your insight ... all good points and quite logical.  It's still irritating to see TU slow-roll any improvements to their less-than-spectacular football field.  I will probably miss any improvements as I don't expect to be attending regularly after the next couple seasons.  Obviously.

I, for one, would just like to see a couple hundred dollars spent on a decent sound system ... it's terrible sound quality, too loud in the stands (and on the home sidelines) and I've heard visitors say they can't hear it at all.  Seriously, how difficult could it be to solve that problem.

Whatever ... just over ONE MONTH to kickoff vs. McMurry!  Yes, I AM READY FOR SOME FOOTBALL.

Tex ... see you on August 15th.  Be sure to look me up ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 30, 2008, 11:50:11 PM
TigerDad, I'm hard to miss.  6'4", 300 lbs and white hair.  I'm planning the road schedule regardless of whether or not my son even makes the travel squad.  That's how hard core I am right about now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 31, 2008, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: Tex on July 30, 2008, 11:50:11 PM
TigerDad, I'm hard to miss.  6'4", 300 lbs and white hair.  I'm planning the road schedule regardless of whether or not my son even makes the travel squad.  That's how hard core I am right about now. 

I think I can remember that.   ;)  

Even if your son does travel with the team for road games, most Trinity first-years do play the JV schedule (mine did), so don't forget to account for a few Monday nights in S.A., Seguin, or Belton. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 31, 2008, 10:35:14 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on July 31, 2008, 10:59:31 AM
Quote from: Tex on July 30, 2008, 11:50:11 PM
TigerDad, I'm hard to miss.  6'4", 300 lbs and white hair.  I'm planning the road schedule regardless of whether or not my son even makes the travel squad.  That's how hard core I am right about now. 

I think I can remember that.   ;)  

Even if your son does travel with the team for road games, most Trinity first-years do play the JV schedule (mine did), so don't forget to account for a few Monday nights in S.A., Seguin, or Belton. 
Good to know.  I thought it was one or the other.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2008, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: Tex on July 30, 2008, 11:50:11 PM
TigerDad, I'm hard to miss.  6'4", 300 lbs and white hair.  I'm planning the road schedule regardless of whether or not my son even makes the travel squad.  That's how hard core I am right about now. 

Heck, Tex, I'll have to look you up at a game.  I'm 6'6" and about the same (except the white hair, not yet anyway).

My wife and I are moving back to Austin at the end of August and it is going to be nice to be able to watch some TU games in the cozy confines of EM Stevens again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 01, 2008, 08:31:40 AM
Moving back to Austin?  Does that mean you will be able to keep us updated on all of the Austin College sports?  :)

(Sorry, I couldn't resist)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 01, 2008, 09:00:27 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 01, 2008, 08:31:40 AM
Moving back to Austin?  Does that mean you will be able to keep us updated on all of the Austin College sports?  :)
Yeah, I think that the American Statesman covers local College athletics there in Austin.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 01, 2008, 10:29:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 01, 2008, 09:00:27 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 01, 2008, 08:31:40 AM
Moving back to Austin?  Does that mean you will be able to keep us updated on all of the Austin College sports?  :)
Yeah, I think that the American Statesman covers local College athletics there in Austin.   :D

Don't start that again!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 01, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
One of the few bad things about returning to Austin is being inundated with t.u. sports coverage ...

and another is having to pay a 30-40% premium on a house there as opposed to McKinney.  Grr. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 01, 2008, 03:46:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2008, 10:47:09 PM
Quote from: Tex on July 30, 2008, 11:50:11 PM
TigerDad, I'm hard to miss.  6'4", 300 lbs and white hair.  I'm planning the road schedule regardless of whether or not my son even makes the travel squad.  That's how hard core I am right about now. 

Heck, Tex, I'll have to look you up at a game.  I'm 6'6" and about the same (except the white hair, not yet anyway).

My wife and I are moving back to Austin at the end of August and it is going to be nice to be able to watch some TU games in the cozy confines of EM Stevens again.

I've been known to buy beers on occasion
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 01, 2008, 04:01:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 01, 2008, 11:11:14 AM
One of the few bad things about returning to Austin is being inundated with t.u. sports coverage ...

and another is having to pay a 30-40% premium on a house there as opposed to McKinney.  Grr. 

Then there's live music on 6th street on a nightly basis.  And all that good lake fun to be had.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 01, 2008, 04:08:38 PM
Ron B (AKA Bonzo)...  inundated with T.U. sports coverage in Austin???  Didn't you mean U.T.???

The Austin-American Statesman has never been big on DIII coverage with the Longhorns taking up all the column inches.

When you and Tex show up at E.M. Stevens, you can both hide behind me!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 01, 2008, 06:39:01 PM
Bob, you must not have any aggies in the family tree.  If you did, you'd know that t.u. refers to texas, university of  ;)

TU = Trinity U

Tex, oh yeah, we are well aware of all the good things in Austin.  We lived there until 2000 and while it's changed a lot it still feels like home. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 04, 2008, 10:22:24 PM
Tick, tick, tick...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on August 05, 2008, 01:00:51 AM
I just wanted to pass along word that Millsaps football will have live video for its five home games this season... for the road, I'm uncertain.  It is a first for all of us, so please bare with us this year as we figure everything out.  I hope a few of you will get the chance to watch live on the internet.  It's likely our old radio guy, Derrel Palmer of ESPN Radio 1240 AM in Jackson, will handle play-by-play duties, while the color guy is to be named later.  I will post a watch live link once it's all up-to-date.  Kickoff in the SCAC and nationwide is only a few weeks away!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 05, 2008, 05:48:16 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on August 05, 2008, 01:00:51 AM
I just wanted to pass along word that Millsaps football will have live video for its five home games this season... for the road, I'm uncertain.  It is a first for all of us, so please bare with us this year as we figure everything out.  I hope a few of you will get the chance to watch live on the internet.  It's likely our old radio guy, Derrel Palmer of ESPN Radio 1240 AM in Jackson, will handle play-by-play duties, while the color guy is to be named later.  I will post a watch live link once it's all up-to-date.  Kickoff in the SCAC and nationwide is only a few weeks away!  :)

I love it.  If eventually every home team televised their games, that would take a burden off the traveling squad. (But having to listen to the home announcers might not be pleasing to all fans)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 05, 2008, 06:02:04 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 05, 2008, 05:48:16 PM

I love it.  If eventually every home team televised their games, that would take a burden off the traveling squad. (But having to listen to the home announcers might not be pleasing to all fans)

If nothing else, it will be fun to compare the HVQ (Homer Vision Quotient) of various announcing teams.  Some are quite low, some are quite high.   ;)

The preseason top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2008/week-0) is out.  Trinity's the only SCAC team listed (20th), Millsaps is "29th", DePauw is RV with 11 points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 05, 2008, 08:32:23 PM
OK, Major Fan stepped out with his picks last week...how do you all think the SCAC will end up in 2008?

Here's my 2008 SCAC predictions for the sake of discussion:

1. DePauw (Replacing Marks will be tough, but lots of talent back; a homer pick)
2. Millsaps (Lose some D, but QB Joseph, talented WR's make Majors obvious contender...again).
3. Trinity (Solid program that will contend once again; do they know how much they will miss QB Barmore?).
4. Colorado College (Most improved team; talent on Offense and athletic Defense)
5. Rhodes (Tough D but do they have enough O to compete in the top half?)
6. Centre (All America LB and some solid players on both sides of ball; will surprise somebody)
7. Birmingham Southern (Not yet eligible, but should make another leap forward) 
8. Sewanee (A defense that is much better than a lower division team)
9. Austin (Improving, but not yet ready to make that big leap).

Notes... A DePauw win would be especially difficult considering they play both Millsaps and Trinity on the road and Centre, I think, is a real trap game. Millsaps and Trinity suffer key losses but again will be there at the end. Top to bottom talent and travel will make the SCAC a tough sled for any champion.  CC, Rhodes, Centre and BSC are teams that will figure in the league outcome with an upset or two. DePauw keeps the Bell in tough win over Wabash at C'ville. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on August 05, 2008, 09:53:06 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 05, 2008, 08:32:23 PM
OK, Major Fan stepped out with his picks last week...how do you all think the SCAC will end up in 2008?

Here's my 2008 SCAC predictions for the sake of discussion:

1. DePauw (Replacing Marks will be tough, but lots of talent back; a homer pick)
2. Millsaps (Lose some D, but QB Joseph, talented WR’s make Majors obvious contender…again).
3. Trinity (Solid program that will contend once again; do they know how much they will miss QB Barmore?).
4. Colorado College (Most improved team; talent on Offense and athletic Defense)
5. Rhodes (Tough D but do they have enough O to compete in the top half?)
6. Centre (All America LB and some solid players on both sides of ball; will surprise somebody)
7. Birmingham Southern (Not yet eligible, but should make another leap forward) 
8. Sewanee (A defense that is much better than a lower division team)
9. Austin (Improving, but not yet ready to make that big leap).

Notes… A DePauw win would be especially difficult considering they play both Millsaps and Trinity on the road and Centre, I think, is a real trap game. Millsaps and Trinity suffer key losses but again will be there at the end. Top to bottom talent and travel will make the SCAC a tough sled for any champion.  CC, Rhodes, Centre and BSC are teams that will figure in the league outcome with an upset or two. DePauw keeps the Bell in tough win over Wabash at C’ville. 



Alright, I'm glad someone finally stepped up and gave their picks.  Good picks and nice reasons in parenthesis.  What does everyone else think?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 05, 2008, 10:42:54 PM

No SCAC team has visited and won in San Antonio since 1995.  Both of the top two teams have to go there this year.  A 13 year streak ended in 2006, so obviously there's a chance, but very few visiting teams during this streak have even been competitive in San Antonio.  To further that issue, I think they've lost only one SCAC game there in 15 years.

There are, however, serious question marks for Coach Mohr this year.  A completely gutted defense and new quarterback are tough to overcome.  Juan Joseph is a difference maker and he is a senior.   If Millsaps has a chance to win there, this year is it.  I really don't know very much about DePauw, but I'm guessing that if an SID was bold enough to put them ahead of the defending champs, there would have to be a pretty good reason to make that call. 

As for the rest, I'm telling you, AC is about to explode. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 05, 2008, 11:12:33 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 05, 2008, 10:42:54 PM
As for the rest, I'm telling you, AC is about to explode. 

Trying that bold prediction again, eh? :D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 06, 2008, 10:03:30 PM
QuoteDePauw (Replacing Marks will be tough, but lots of talent back; a homer pick)
2. Millsaps (Lose some D, but QB Joseph, talented WR's make Majors obvious contender...again).
3. Trinity (Solid program that will contend once again; do they know how much they will miss QB Barmore?).
4. Colorado College (Most improved team; talent on Offense and athletic Defense)
5. Rhodes (Tough D but do they have enough O to compete in the top half?)
6. Centre (All America LB and some solid players on both sides of ball; will surprise somebody)
7. Birmingham Southern (Not yet eligible, but should make another leap forward) 
8. Sewanee (A defense that is much better than a lower division team)
9. Austin (Improving, but not yet ready to make that big leap).

Notes... A DePauw win would be especially difficult considering they play both Millsaps and Trinity on the road and Centre, I think, is a real trap game. Millsaps and Trinity suffer key losses but again will be there at the end. Top to bottom talent and travel will make the SCAC a tough sled for any champion.  CC, Rhodes, Centre and BSC are teams that will figure in the league outcome with an upset or two. DePauw keeps the Bell in tough win over Wabash at C'ville. 


Wes---I'm disappointed that you haven't posted your picks by now...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 06, 2008, 11:44:54 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 06, 2008, 10:03:30 PM
Wes---I'm disappointed that you haven't posted your picks by now...

Towing the company line.... you'll have to get Kickoff to get my picks.  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 07, 2008, 04:47:11 AM
QuoteTowing the company line.... you'll have to get Kickoff to get my picks. 

Savvy...very savvy... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 07, 2008, 12:19:07 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on August 06, 2008, 11:44:54 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 06, 2008, 10:03:30 PM
Wes---I'm disappointed that you haven't posted your picks by now...

Towing the company line.... you'll have to get Kickoff to get my picks.  :D

Shameless...   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 07, 2008, 02:55:07 PM
I think everyone will agree that Trinity, Millsaps and DePauw will all be good teams.  Just how good is hard to say because it's hard to get a read on the impact of incoming players.  With this preseason uncertainty of not knowing who added what, it seems like the logical order of these teams in a preseason poll should be:

1) Trinity
2) Millsaps
3) DePauw

If you look at last year's schedule you see that DePauw lost at home to both Trinity and Millsaps.  I don't see how you could make DePauw a favorite to win those games on the road this year.

Millsaps lost at home to Trinity and now Millsaps is going on to San Antonio where Trinity hasn't lost in well over a decade.  Again, I think you have to pencil in Trinity as the favorite at this point in time.

Certainly DePauw is capable of winning in Jackson and at Trinity, just as Millsaps is capable of winning at Trinity, but if for no other reason than the schedule, Trinity has to be the preseason favorite in the SCAC.  One things for sure, it should be an exciting season even if it is unlikely to produce another national play of the year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 07, 2008, 07:31:38 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on August 07, 2008, 12:19:07 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on August 06, 2008, 11:44:54 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 06, 2008, 10:03:30 PM
Wes---I'm disappointed that you haven't posted your picks by now...

Towing the company line.... you'll have to get Kickoff to get my picks.  :D

Shameless...   :)

It's called 'don't bite the hand that will hopefully feed you.'   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 08, 2008, 04:26:44 PM
Well, I wish I were more informed on the SCAC to venture a prediction on the conference rankings.  So, I won't even try.  I just started observing the conference last season. 

Speaking of the SCAC, do you guys pronounce it S C A C or do you pronounce it "skack"?  I was talking with Bob Edwards yesterday and he pronounced it Skack.  Sort of gave me a mental image of a questionable woman in a bar after midnight with the raspy smokers cough. 


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 08, 2008, 05:43:20 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 08, 2008, 04:26:44 PM
Well, I wish I were more informed on the SCAC to venture a prediction on the conference rankings.  So, I won't even try.  I just started observing the conference last season. 

Speaking of the SCAC, do you guys pronounce it S C A C or do you pronounce it "skack"?  I was talking with Bob Edwards yesterday and he pronounced it Skack.  Sort of gave me a mental image of a questionable woman in a bar after midnight with the raspy smokers cough. 
And I cannot imagine a SCAC student having ever encountered a woman like that in their lives.  She is only a thing a curiosity in Freshman Lit or some esoteric essay in a literature or cinematography directed studies class.

:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 08, 2008, 11:16:05 PM
TEX,,, you're referring to scanks???  Splell check plz
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 09, 2008, 04:35:48 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 08, 2008, 11:16:05 PM
TEX,,, you're referring to scanks???  Splell check plz

I thought skank was spelled with two k's.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 09, 2008, 07:49:37 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 09, 2008, 04:35:48 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 08, 2008, 11:16:05 PM
TEX,,, you're referring to scanks???  Splell check plz

I thought skank was spelled with two k's.  :)

That's for a garden-variety skank. There's a higher level of skankiness spelled with Q.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 09, 2008, 08:24:05 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on August 09, 2008, 07:49:37 PM
That's for a garden-variety skank. There's a higher level of skankiness spelled with Q.  ;)

Keep in mind, now, that's from a Wabash grad.  ;D

If there's a person with an encyclopedic knowledge about women of ill-repute, I know not of one better than a Little Giant.  I kid, I kid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 10, 2008, 12:09:47 AM
I'll try to keep to myself the random crazy thoughts that rattle around in my dome.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU92 on August 11, 2008, 11:57:24 AM
Does anyone know if DPU has started camp yet?  How do they look?  News travels slowly down here to the Big Sleezy.  Looking for any info...thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 11, 2008, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: DPU92 on August 11, 2008, 11:57:24 AM
Does anyone know if DPU has started camp yet?  How do they look?  News travels slowly down here to the Big Sleezy.  Looking for any info...thanks.

They're still a week away, I believe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 11, 2008, 11:24:25 PM
Let the puke begin...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 12, 2008, 10:32:50 AM
Texas + (August heat) + 40-Test - lunch = Tiger Football
8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 12, 2008, 01:27:26 PM
QuoteDoes anyone know if DPU has started camp yet?

Team reports Monday, August 18.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on August 12, 2008, 05:50:47 PM
Millsaps reports to camp on Wednesday, Aug. 13 at 9 a.m.  We're going to try and follow camp a few days and have coach/player quotes and such.  The stories will be posted on our website at www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football.  Give it a read if you get the chance.  We'll start tomorrow!! ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 13, 2008, 05:05:01 AM
Major_Fan... does that mean that the Majors share facillities w/the Saints?  Or are they done and gone?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 13, 2008, 10:08:32 AM
Quote from: historymajor on August 13, 2008, 05:05:01 AM
Major_Fan... does that mean that the Majors share facillities w/the Saints?  Or are they done and gone?

I think I can answer this question, the team broke camp on the 12th to return to New Orleans and practice with the Texans before their preseason game this weekend.  The rest of their practices will be in New Orleans or Metairie to be precise.  Major Fan will have to give you the scoop on how the Millsaps portion of camp went this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 13, 2008, 03:49:32 PM
I can't give much of a report about how Saints practices went at Millsaps but I did take some photos.  Here are some links for anyone who is interested:

Youtube video/slideshow:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQWtmLO5vpg

Photo albums:  http://fle-pics.smugmug.com/New_Orleans_Saints
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 13, 2008, 04:02:36 PM
Old habits, eh Frank?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on August 13, 2008, 07:26:40 PM
Millsaps Reports to Camp:
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/081408story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 14, 2008, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 13, 2008, 04:02:36 PM
Old habits, eh Frank?   ;)

I'm still taking photos and I'm still trying to keep up with all of the D3 sports.  The problem is that I'm also still working a full-time job and the time involvement at Millsaps had reduced my life to work, Millsaps, and sleep with all of the other things in my life put on hold.  Somewhat like a runner in a marathon, I hit the wall sometime during the 2007-08 year and I just don't have the physical or mental energy needed to take on the project in 2008-09.  I'm hoping that a bunch of people will cover the various sports and the student-athletes at Millsaps will continue to get photos of their athletic achievements.  That's something that will be good for the students and good for Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2008, 03:33:55 PM
+1 for all your efforts, Frank!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 14, 2008, 05:33:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2008, 03:33:55 PM
+1 for all your efforts, Frank!

and one more!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on August 14, 2008, 07:58:28 PM
+1 from me too Frank.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 14, 2008, 09:05:48 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: TU Report Day, 8/15)

Tigers--
"It's time to Rock 'n' Roll!"
"It's a long way to the top if you want to Rock 'n' Roll!"
And all the other famous Rock 'n' Roll quotes, we know this team can do it.

Regarding Barmore, we know he will be missed, but Wilson has the better height (6'4") and the stronger arm to get this job done. I think back to his ability as a Soph. to take the team over when needed in Seguin. Let's go Tigers!

                                                    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 14, 2008, 09:34:10 PM
Quote from: etg on August 14, 2008, 09:05:48 PM
Regarding Barmore, we know he will be missed, but Wilson has the better height (6'4") and the stronger arm to get this job done. I think back to his ability as a Soph. to take the team over when needed in Seguin.

I don't think anybody has ever questioned Bryant's athletic talents.  He's probably the best all-around athlete that Trinity has had at QB that I can recall off the top of my head. 

But, the question, for me anyway, is between his ears.  How long is his adjustment period?  Can he step right in and be a good decision maker?  That's really something that Trinity hasn't had a problem with in past years.  I guess that's a credit to Coach Mohr more than anything else.

The good news is that he gets a bit of a freebie in the opener against McMurry (sorry Ralph) to sort it all out. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 14, 2008, 09:41:14 PM
Wilson, aka Aaron Rodgers has been waiting a long time for this opportunity...  I for one, KNOW he's ready....

BTW, Aaron Rodgers spent allot of time w/the 7 TU Tigers at the ESPY's and was helpful in getting them into Justin Timberlake's private party as well as Eli Manning's.  What a great experience that must have been!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on August 14, 2008, 09:44:39 PM
Majors Break First Day of Fall Camp
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/081508story.shtml

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 14, 2008, 09:47:14 PM
You don't have to go back too far to find problems at the QB position for Trinity.  In 2005, I noticed that the unnamed QB was never asked to throw into the middle of the field.  He had a decent arm and was very mobile, but not an intellectual player by any means.  The receiving corps was a bit thin, but they scaled back the offense a bit and had an undefeated season.  The receivers are so good right now that whether he's a good decision maker or not, I would expect him to have some success.  Coach Krisch knows what he's able to do or not do, without a doubt, and won't put him in a bad position.

They might have to score a lot, though, because the defense is being almost completely replaced.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 14, 2008, 10:29:14 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on August 14, 2008, 09:47:14 PM
Coach Krisch knows what he's able to do or not do, without a doubt, and won't put him in a bad position.

They might have to score a lot, though, because the defense is being almost completely replaced.

I don't disagree with anything you said, but those two things I quoted don't always go together.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 14, 2008, 10:41:36 PM
Tomorrow is a big day in San Antonio. 

Forecast:

High 90's for Friday, but they get a break with scattered T-storms so the high will only be 94 or so on Saturday.  Break out the sweatshirts that day.  Down right chilly.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 15, 2008, 10:20:41 PM
Well,I got to meet Tiger Dad and History Major today.  Thanks for the warm welcome.  Warm.... that's an understatment.  It was downright HOT in San Antonio this afternoon for the dreaded 40 test.  No puke though.  Maybe tomorrow AM.  One can dare to dream.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 16, 2008, 07:49:41 AM
Test...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 16, 2008, 07:50:27 AM
Test...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 16, 2008, 09:37:07 AM
Hmmm,,, now we're testing yuccaroot...  tastes a little like celery.  Welcome, test confirmed!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 16, 2008, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: YuccaRoot on August 16, 2008, 07:50:27 AM
Test...

Welcome,  uhhh, do we nickname you "YucK" or "Root".

Tell us about you or whom do you "root" for?   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 16, 2008, 11:15:29 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 16, 2008, 10:09:52 AM
Quote from: YuccaRoot on August 16, 2008, 07:50:27 AM
Test...

Welcome,  uhhh, do we nickname you "YucK" or "Root".

Tell us about you or whom do you "root" for?   :)

Trinity Tigers...son just showed up yesterday for camp.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 16, 2008, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: historymajor on August 16, 2008, 09:37:07 AM
Hmmm,,, now we're testing yuccaroot...  tastes a little like celery.  Welcome, test confirmed!

Thanks...what is the karma score on the side?  I currently have "0"...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 16, 2008, 12:12:34 PM
Quote from: YuccaRoot on August 16, 2008, 11:24:09 AM
Quote from: historymajor on August 16, 2008, 09:37:07 AM
Hmmm,,, now we're testing yuccaroot...  tastes a little like celery.  Welcome, test confirmed!

Thanks...what is the karma score on the side?  I currently have "0"...
Karma is an attribute that veteran posters earn.  Karma power allows posters to applaud or smite a poster for a comment.

I just gave you one karma point ( +1  :) ) to welcome you to the boards!

We fans appreciate informed posts, good hyperlinks to good content and other good contributions to the discussions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 16, 2008, 10:29:03 PM
Yucca and I coached youth football together many years ago and have logged several thousand miles in a vehicle together traveling to Jr High and HS football games these past six year.  His son is the D-tackle from our local HS I was talking about during recruiting time. 

Welcome to the board YR!

P.S.  Wait till Yucca uploads his yuccaroot avatar.  It's not pretty.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 16, 2008, 10:34:37 PM
Well, the weather was particularly chilly this morning.  We actually had a couple of clouds to go with the high 80's humidity.  Then the sun came back out, and the morning turned out to be partly cloudy with patches of sporadic puke. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 17, 2008, 01:18:49 AM
Yo TEX and Yr....  sorry I didn't get to spend more time w/you'all in SAT... step up and ..... Let's go Tigers.... a successful campaign... Get past the po'ed Majors and we'll have a return engagement w/ the Cru!  Go Tigers....  defend and extend!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on August 17, 2008, 10:44:53 AM

I got Tigerdad's pictures from the first day.  Did I see Jeremy Boyce out there directing traffic during the 40 test?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 17, 2008, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: historymajor on August 17, 2008, 01:18:49 AM
Yo TEX and Yr....  sorry I didn't get to spend more time w/you'all in SAT... step up and ..... Let's go Tigers.... a successful campaign... Get past the po'ed Majors and we'll have a return engagement w/ the Cru!  Go Tigers....  defend and extend!

It was nice to meet you all...we look forward to Saturdays in San Antonio and places beyond. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 17, 2008, 02:26:42 PM
Quote from: YuccaRoot on August 17, 2008, 11:51:24 AM
Quote from: historymajor on August 17, 2008, 01:18:49 AM
Yo TEX and Yr....  sorry I didn't get to spend more time w/you'all in SAT... step up and ..... Let's go Tigers.... a successful campaign... Get past the po'ed Majors and we'll have a return engagement w/ the Cru!  Go Tigers....  defend and extend!

It was nice to meet you all...we look forward to Saturdays in San Antonio and places beyond. 
Your avatar alone is worth one karma point!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 17, 2008, 02:55:04 PM
Ralph,

Are you attending the McMurry v. Trinity game on September 6?  My next door neighbor is a McMurry grad and continues to support the school. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 17, 2008, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: YuccaRoot on August 17, 2008, 02:55:04 PM
Ralph,

Are you attending the McMurry v. Trinity game on September 6?  My next door neighbor is a McMurry grad and continues to support the school. 

I had not planned to make the trip, but I might carpool with someone going down for the evening and driving back to Dallas after the game.

Is anyone going down for the game from Dallas?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 17, 2008, 07:13:49 PM
That avatar looks like something my dog created... :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 17, 2008, 07:54:10 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 17, 2008, 07:13:49 PM
That avatar looks like something my dog created... :o
That is one artistique canine!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 17, 2008, 08:48:10 PM
Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 18, 2008, 05:11:56 AM
Psst Ralph, call your neighbor Herb Kelliher, I'm sure he can get you there and back for $78-$99!
No, seriously; down and back, driving, the same day?  04:15 down 6PM game, 04:15 back,,, OUCH!  I'm not sure any TU parents are up for that!  McM fans?  We would be honored to have you in the booth for some or all of our streaming Video webcast.  We'll work something out!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2008, 09:03:03 AM
Quote from: historymajor on August 18, 2008, 05:11:56 AM
Psst Ralph, call your neighbor Herb Kelliher, I'm sure he can get you there and back for $78-$99!
No, seriously; down and back, driving, the same day?  04:15 down 6PM game, 04:15 back,,, OUCH!  I'm not sure any TU parents are up for that!  McM fans?  We would be honored to have you in the booth for some or all of our streaming Video webcast.  We'll work something out!
Actually, it is $74 down there, spend the night at $100 and then $74 back the next morning for the Southwest Airlines "web" specials!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2008, 09:56:38 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 17, 2008, 05:27:31 PM
Quote from: YuccaRoot on August 17, 2008, 02:55:04 PM
Ralph,

Are you attending the McMurry v. Trinity game on September 6?  My next door neighbor is a McMurry grad and continues to support the school. 

I had not planned to make the trip, but I might carpool with someone going down for the evening and driving back to Dallas after the game.

Is anyone going down for the game from Dallas?

Hey Ralph,

If not for the fact that we are moving to Austin two days earlier, I would have loved to load you into the hybrid and chat with you during the journey.

And with us moving to Austin two days earlier, I doubt my wife would be too excited by me going to see TU play McMurry!  See you later in the season for sure, Bob and friends.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 18, 2008, 11:35:06 AM
OK, are you saying that's your appearance fee?  I'll work on approval...  maybe Pat can go halvesies!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2008, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 18, 2008, 11:35:06 AM
OK, are you saying that's your appearance fee?  I'll work on approval...  maybe Pat can go halvesies!
The annual guest appearance budget for the PAWS network is about half that amount!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 19, 2008, 11:42:26 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2008, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 18, 2008, 11:35:06 AM
OK, are you saying that's your appearance fee?  I'll work on approval...  maybe Pat can go halvesies!
The annual guest appearance budget for the PAWS network is about half that amount!   :D

Damn Ralph, hop off your wallet, brother!  It's the first freaking game of the year and you're a mere few hundred miles away!  I'm thinking if you don't show up, Pat will suspend your account for a few weeks.  We wouldn't want that to happen!  Man up!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 19, 2008, 11:59:32 AM
Quote from: Tex on August 19, 2008, 11:42:26 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2008, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 18, 2008, 11:35:06 AM
OK, are you saying that's your appearance fee?  I'll work on approval...  maybe Pat can go halvesies!
The annual guest appearance budget for the PAWS network is about half that amount!   :D

Damn Ralph, hop off your wallet, brother!  It's the first freaking game of the year and you're a mere few hundred miles away!  I'm thinking if you don't show up, Pat will suspend your account for a few weeks.  We wouldn't want that to happen!  Man up!
I just got thru paying for a wedding this summer!  I can barely afford to pay attention!   :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on August 19, 2008, 02:45:29 PM
I think the  season opener Mississippi College vs Millsaps game will be one of the best 1st week D3 games in the country. It will showcase a lot of talent in Jackson and again have a bearing on the playoff picture. There is a return of the rivalry and the Majors have a score to settle.  I seriously doubt that we will see a repeat of last year. Thank God.
I also think that Millsaps will repeat as a SCAC champ this year but without a co-champion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2008, 03:08:33 PM
Saw a surge in Trinity Kickoff purchasers over the past 12-24 hours so I updated the front page blurb to note: Trinity in the top five!

Thanks to the people who have clearly been spreading the word.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 19, 2008, 05:59:56 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2008, 03:08:33 PM
Saw a surge in Trinity Kickoff purchasers over the past 12-24 hours so I updated the front page blurb to note: Trinity in the top five!

Thanks to the people who have clearly been spreading the word.

History major sent out an email to a lot of Trinity supporters.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 19, 2008, 06:00:46 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 19, 2008, 11:59:32 AM
Quote from: Tex on August 19, 2008, 11:42:26 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 18, 2008, 12:19:35 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 18, 2008, 11:35:06 AM
OK, are you saying that's your appearance fee?  I'll work on approval...  maybe Pat can go halvesies!
The annual guest appearance budget for the PAWS network is about half that amount!   :D

Damn Ralph, hop off your wallet, brother!  It's the first freaking game of the year and you're a mere few hundred miles away!  I'm thinking if you don't show up, Pat will suspend your account for a few weeks.  We wouldn't want that to happen!  Man up!
I just got thru paying for a wedding this summer!  I can barely afford to pay attention!   :-\

I'm just messing with you doc. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2008, 06:10:16 PM
Danke. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 19, 2008, 08:24:26 PM
bitte,,,  give me a hint what it will take to win it!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 19, 2008, 08:51:31 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 19, 2008, 08:24:26 PM
bitte,,,  give me a hint what it will take to win it!
Trinity just needs to stick with their game plan and not get too over-confident.

McMurry has a new QB, and I like the program that Coach Gray is building, but Trinity is a very solid favorite in this one!   ;)

:D ;D :D 8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 19, 2008, 09:28:17 PM
I can't register for the Kickoff 2008...anyone else having any problems?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 19, 2008, 09:38:29 PM
Psst Ralph... I was answering Pat for stimulating the subscriptions to the preview, and asking how many more I needed to drum up...  trust me, we know what it will take on the field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2008, 09:41:26 PM
Actually, Trinity is only three out of the top spot for now. However ... Trinity is about 30 short of what it took to "win" last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 19, 2008, 09:45:36 PM
Nothing like knowing how high you have to jump.  Danke schoen

Can you help yucca?  He's "one of ours".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 19, 2008, 09:49:19 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 19, 2008, 09:38:29 PM
Psst Ralph... I was answering Pat for stimulating the subscriptions to the preview, and asking how many more I needed to drum up...  trust me, we know what it will take on the field.
I know!

That is why that I was laughing!

Parallel conversations!  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 19, 2008, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 19, 2008, 09:45:36 PM
Nothing like knowing how high you have to jump.  Danke schoen

Can you help yucca?  He's "one of ours".

I can type my first and last name in the required fields...and select Trinity (Texas); however, when I hit the submit button, it goes to a blank screen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 19, 2008, 10:21:08 PM
When my nephew was a high school senior his dad spent a lot of time making VCR basketball highlight tapes to send to various schools.  Now you just make one video, put it on YouTube, and send the coaches the link to your video.  Of course, highlight tapes can be deceptive so you have to take them with a grain of salt. 

With that in mind, I saw the following highlight videos on YouTube for incoming Millsaps freshman Hunter Cowan of Germantown, TN:

Offensive highlights (Jersey #7):  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TEhDkn96nhg

Defensive highlights:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7IhQwxtWKU&feature=related
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2008, 10:34:49 PM
Quote from: YuccaRoot on August 19, 2008, 09:57:10 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 19, 2008, 09:45:36 PM
Nothing like knowing how high you have to jump.  Danke schoen

Can you help yucca?  He's "one of ours".

I can type my first and last name in the required fields...and select Trinity (Texas); however, when I hit the submit button, it goes to a blank screen.

It says you registered. Odd. I'll send you a link via PM on the board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 20, 2008, 12:17:06 AM
Yucca's computer doesn't like him.  I won't say anything about the flashing clock on the VCR.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 20, 2008, 03:43:07 AM
Wow, Frank.... those youtubes of Cowan could make retired photographers come out of retirement, senior qb's and lb's look over their collective shoulders, and DI recruiters consider computer literacy courses.  Looks like we'll be seeing him in SAT later this year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 20, 2008, 07:59:13 AM
Quote from: Tex on August 20, 2008, 12:17:06 AM
Yucca's computer doesn't like him.  I won't say anything about the flashing clock on the VCR.  :)

I'm only a couple of generations behind Fred Flintstone...catching up!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 20, 2008, 11:14:10 AM
Yucca, you ought to try carrots, beets, turnips and potatoes,,,  they're tastier and much easier to find at Kroger.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 20, 2008, 01:16:08 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 20, 2008, 11:14:10 AM
Yucca, you ought to try carrots, beets, turnips and potatoes,,,  they're tastier and much easier to find at Kroger.

I like carrots, beets, turnips, and potatoes; however, yucca root is the best natural anti-inflammatory...better than glucosamine and chondroitin.   Yucca root is to ligaments and tendons what aloe vera  is to burned skin. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 20, 2008, 04:09:38 PM
I've heard of that b4.  But you're they first active user I've heard confirm it.  Maybe Dr. Ralph Turner can explain how and why it works.  Order me up some of that stuff and maybe I can get off of what I take!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 20, 2008, 04:43:32 PM
The 2008 SCAC Football Prospectus has been released:

http://www.scac-online.org/football/08footballprospectus.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/football/08footballprospectus.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 20, 2008, 05:31:51 PM
Quote from: scacsid on August 20, 2008, 04:43:32 PM
The 2008 SCAC Football Prospectus has been released:

http://www.scac-online.org/football/08footballprospectus.pdf (http://www.scac-online.org/football/08footballprospectus.pdf)

Thanks, scacsid.  Just curious - do you have any idea when the new SCAC site will be up?

Was interested to see that BSC only returns 12 starters from last year's first-year squad. 

Welcome to Tony Joe White, the new OC at Centre.  Now that's a good Southern football name!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 21, 2008, 09:41:43 AM
Wow.  Six coaches picked Millsaps in the presseason poll.  Gotta say that's a surprise to me. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 21, 2008, 10:11:46 AM
Ron,
I'd say we are still a couple of weeks away from the debut of www.scacsports.com (http://www.scacsports.com).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 21, 2008, 01:01:12 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on August 21, 2008, 09:41:43 AM
Wow.  Six coaches picked Millsaps in the presseason poll.  Gotta say that's a surprise to me. 

Not so much to me.  Millsaps did win the championship (or a share) the last two years, most ppl recognize that last year's loss to Trinity was 'miraculous', and they don't lose as much to graduation as TU who has to break in a new QB, DBs, and LBs (and half their DL).

Trinity has to outscore their opponents this year and that's going to be tough.  They do have HFA against DPU and Millsaps which will help - but is this the year the streak comes to an end?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on August 21, 2008, 01:02:26 PM
Wes, it surprises me that you are surprised. With an 8-2 record and those 2 losses absolutely "miraculous" losses, if you can call them that, 15 of 22 starters returning and a more mature experienced team 6 of 8 first place votes sounds right to mefor the Majors.
If the outcome of those 2 losses had been different in 07 my hunch is it would be 8 out of 8 in the voting. Ultimately it has to be shown on the field for all 10 weeks and all 60 minutes of every game. This is going to be a really good SCAC season with every team making improvements.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 21, 2008, 01:38:57 PM
Nothing wrong with being an underdog!  Y'all tell yourselves how down TU is.  Whisper it to each other as your heads hit the pillow. 






Go Tigers. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 21, 2008, 02:12:25 PM
You read my mind...I need a nap...

I think they can.....
They think they can....
I think they can...
They think they can...
I think they can..
They think they can..
I think they can.
They think they can.

ZZZZZzzzzzzz......  Go Tigers
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 21, 2008, 02:19:35 PM
I'm not surprised that some of the coaches picked Millsaps.  It's been a Millsaps win and a miracle loss against Trinity the last two seasons.  But, I AM surprised that it was a full 2/3rds of the coaches picking Millsaps.

Trinity has the home field advantage, which means a lot more in the SCAC than it does in a lot of other conferences.  It also means a lot more when you talk about the winning streak that TU has on that field. 

The thing is, everybody has key losses.  Yes, Trinity's very young on defense.  But, Millsaps is opening camp with some VERY large question marks on the offensive line.  Plus, there's an entirely new offensive coaching staff to boot.  Along the same lines, DePauw is very young in the back 7 on defense and they don't know who's running the football.

It's not that I don't think Millsaps is deserving of being selected, I just imagined more parody among the first place votes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 21, 2008, 04:18:51 PM
It surprises me that you're surprised that we're surprised. 

Millsaps has been a fine team the past two seasons to be sure, but the two "miracle losses" are very real "L"s in the record book.  Not to rehash history, but there were long discussions about how those losses shouldn't have happened but did.  Most of those discussions (especially surrounding the MC loss) were elongated by Millsaps fans.  Trinity fans could easily make the same argument about the Rhodes loss last season.  But they're not.

Preseason polls are opinions collected into a pile and reported.  If I were asked (and I wasn't), I would have a tough time picking Millsaps over Trinity.  Based upon returning starter stats, my head might say Majors, but based upon my affiliation and my 2007 eyewitness experience (missing only the Rhodes game), my heart says go with the Trinity Tigers.  If they lose to Millsaps or others in 2008, so be it.  Neutral I will not be.  If you bring it to S.A., make sure you bring it ALL.

"If 'ifs' and 'buts' were candy and nuts, we'd all have a Happy Christmas."
-- Don Meredith
  (or "If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride.")

Go Tigers ... lose the "co" in 2008.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on August 21, 2008, 07:58:16 PM
Sorry Tiger Dad but I didn't know you were surprised also.
I agree with Wes regarding his assessment of the challenges the top 3 SCAC programs face this year. In each case the team will be tested internally and by other teams (probably Rhodes) before they face each other.
I chose not to rehash history because 07 was what it was for all involved. I expressed an opinion based on my observation and review. I am sorry if this is personal for you but it seems like I hit a nerve unintentionally so early in the season. Nothing wrong with a homer.
I again say that this should be a great SCAC football year because competion will drive these young men to acheive beyond their expectations.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 21, 2008, 08:01:51 PM
The Jackson Free Press did an article on Millsaps quarterback Juan Joseph this week.  I think most of you will find it interesting:

http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/index.php/site/comments/juan_joseph_082008/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 22, 2008, 01:13:59 PM
I'm not surprised.  I'd just call it a toss-up.  Both teams better be very wary of a dark horse coming in and taking the prize. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on August 22, 2008, 06:30:26 PM
I have to say, our new offense makes me nervous.  The new OC is throwing in more running plays, which should make some players happy, and may limit Juan's passing attempts.  In my opinion, JJ should throw it every play, but I am confident the new OC's the right man for the job. 

Losing Barmore is huge for the Majors' chances in San Antonio, but you can't look past the 15+ years of what they've done in the conference (especially at home). 

Not just because I'm a Millsaps homer, but I think Millsaps deserves to be the preseason favorite.  They've had one of the best turnarounds in the past two years... going from 16 wins in 8 years to 15 in 2 years under DuBose... and are a threat now in the conference (12-1 past two years).  I think it's ok for TU to be voted second this year preseason, both teams have key losses.  We all know how the conference will be decided... it goes through SA, Texas every year.  I hope it lives up to the hype of last year... with a different ending of course :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 22, 2008, 11:08:37 PM
The other looming dark cloud every team has to deal with is injuries.  Lets check the injury status report for all the teams come Nov 1.  I think that has quite a bit to do with the  overall outcome of any conference championship.  Some of that can be prevented with good conditioning, some is just plain old bad luck.  It's the great equalizer.  I pray that none of these kids get hurt, on any team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 22, 2008, 11:09:35 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on August 22, 2008, 06:30:26 PM
I have to say, our new offense makes me nervous.  The new OC is throwing in more running plays, which should make some players happy, and may limit Juan's passing attempts.  In my opinion, JJ should throw it every play, but I am confident the new OC's the right man for the job. 

Losing Barmore is huge for the Majors' chances in San Antonio, but you can't look past the 15+ years of what they've done in the conference (especially at home). 

Not just because I'm a Millsaps homer, but I think Millsaps deserves to be the preseason favorite.  They've had one of the best turnarounds in the past two years... going from 16 wins in 8 years to 15 in 2 years under DuBose... and are a threat now in the conference (12-1 past two years).  I think it's ok for TU to be voted second this year preseason, both teams have key losses.  We all know how the conference will be decided... it goes through SA, Texas every year.  I hope it lives up to the hype of last year... with a different ending of course :o

A balanced attack sounds pretty smart to me.  The casual fan wants to see the ball aired out, lots of points scored.  But, I prefer a nice mix.  O-lines like to attack from time to time.  And, I'm an old o-lineman.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 23, 2008, 01:45:40 AM
Football preview from the Depauw website:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/index.asp?id=21963

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on August 23, 2008, 07:21:02 AM
Quote from: Tex on August 22, 2008, 11:09:35 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on August 22, 2008, 06:30:26 PM
I have to say, our new offense makes me nervous.  The new OC is throwing in more running plays, which should make some players happy, and may limit Juan's passing attempts.  In my opinion, JJ should throw it every play, but I am confident the new OC's the right man for the job. 

Losing Barmore is huge for the Majors' chances in San Antonio, but you can't look past the 15+ years of what they've done in the conference (especially at home). 

Not just because I'm a Millsaps homer, but I think Millsaps deserves to be the preseason favorite.  They've had one of the best turnarounds in the past two years... going from 16 wins in 8 years to 15 in 2 years under DuBose... and are a threat now in the conference (12-1 past two years).  I think it's ok for TU to be voted second this year preseason, both teams have key losses.  We all know how the conference will be decided... it goes through SA, Texas every year.  I hope it lives up to the hype of last year... with a different ending of course :o

A balanced attack sounds pretty smart to me.  The casual fan wants to see the ball aired out, lots of points scored.  But, I prefer a nice mix.  O-lines like to attack from time to time.  And, I'm an old o-lineman.

I agree, balanced attacks provide the best opportunities for offenses to put points on the board.  However, I'm [very] old school that enjoys 3 yards and a cloud of dust offenses complemented with a strong defense...beans and cornbread football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on August 23, 2008, 02:32:42 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 23, 2008, 01:45:40 AM
Football preview from the Depauw website:

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/index.asp?id=21963



The SCAC football prospectus link is here:
http://www.scac-online.org/football/08footballprospectus.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 23, 2008, 08:32:11 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 22, 2008, 11:09:35 PM
A balanced attack sounds pretty smart to me.  The casual fan wants to see the ball aired out, lots of points scored.  But, I prefer a nice mix.  O-lines like to attack from time to time.  And, I'm an old o-lineman.

Problem is, with 7 of the 9 teams in the conference running spread exclusively, that tends not to happen.  Not to say that every team who operates in the spread throws it 40+ per game every single Saturday, but it's the trend more often than not, I think.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 24, 2008, 12:06:03 AM
 Go Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2008, 12:32:51 AM
Quote from: YuccaRoot on August 23, 2008, 07:21:02 AM
Quote from: Tex on August 22, 2008, 11:09:35 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on August 22, 2008, 06:30:26 PM
I have to say, our new offense makes me nervous.  The new OC is throwing in more running plays, which should make some players happy, and may limit Juan's passing attempts.  In my opinion, JJ should throw it every play, but I am confident the new OC's the right man for the job. 

Losing Barmore is huge for the Majors' chances in San Antonio, but you can't look past the 15+ years of what they've done in the conference (especially at home). 

Not just because I'm a Millsaps homer, but I think Millsaps deserves to be the preseason favorite.  They've had one of the best turnarounds in the past two years... going from 16 wins in 8 years to 15 in 2 years under DuBose... and are a threat now in the conference (12-1 past two years).  I think it's ok for TU to be voted second this year preseason, both teams have key losses.  We all know how the conference will be decided... it goes through SA, Texas every year.  I hope it lives up to the hype of last year... with a different ending of course :o

A balanced attack sounds pretty smart to me.  The casual fan wants to see the ball aired out, lots of points scored.  But, I prefer a nice mix.  O-lines like to attack from time to time.  And, I'm an old o-lineman.

I agree, balanced attacks provide the best opportunities for offenses to put points on the board.  However, I'm [very] old school that enjoys 3 yards and a cloud of dust offenses complemented with a strong defense...beans and cornbread football.
I certainly think of a yucca root avatar when I hear "spread offense".

Beans and cornbread would be a more accurate avatar then.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on August 24, 2008, 04:36:22 PM
From the Birmingham News college football preview...
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/08/panthers_rebuild_after_major_c.html (http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/08/panthers_rebuild_after_major_c.html)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 25, 2008, 05:29:03 PM
Go Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2008, 08:26:39 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 25, 2008, 05:29:03 PM
Go Tigers.

The question is, exactly WHICH Tigers?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 25, 2008, 09:30:45 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2008, 08:26:39 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 25, 2008, 05:29:03 PM
Go Tigers.

The question is, exactly WHICH Tigers?   ;)

This guy asks that you choose wisely. 

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 25, 2008, 11:27:57 PM
You'all know my choice...  THE Trinity (no Texas required) Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 26, 2008, 10:11:28 AM
At first glance, it would seem that there are a few choices in the football-playing SCAC ... two humans, one marsupial and six felines, including four of the species Panthera tigris.  According to Wikipedia, a group of tigers is rare, but when seen together is termed a 'streak' or an 'ambush'.

Therefore, the SCAC Tiger Ambush is:

1. The Trinity University Tigers of San Antonio, TX
2. The DePauw University Tigers of Greencastle, IN
3. The University of the South Tigers of Sewanee, TN
4. The Colorado College Tigers of Colorado Springs, CO

However, there can be ONLY ONE.

Trinity. ;D

... perhaps we shall agree to disagree, my esteemed fellow posters?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on August 27, 2008, 03:13:38 PM
Kanga is gonna kill all ya'll in the head this year!

and by that I mean 6-4 and possibly 7-3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 27, 2008, 05:27:00 PM
KentATM:

May I suggest you give these folks a call? I believe they're in Alice Springs, Australia, but they may be of assistance to you later this fall.

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 27, 2008, 06:18:40 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on August 27, 2008, 05:27:00 PM
KentATM:

May I suggest you give these folks a call? I believe they're in Alice Springs, Australia, but they may be of assistance to you later this fall.

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+k TigerDad.  Even this Austin College fan enjoys a good joke when he sees one. ;) ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 28, 2008, 10:43:17 PM
Good lord, politicos suck.  Bring on some football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on August 29, 2008, 11:47:09 PM
 :D

for your jest trinity will be punished with a home loss to the Roos. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 30, 2008, 12:32:23 AM
Tex, what's that old saying?  "Hope springs eternal in the Marsupial breast"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on August 30, 2008, 03:26:56 PM
Final from Buies Creek, N.C: BSC 12, Campbell 6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on August 31, 2008, 11:58:20 AM
Cambell 'T' shirts that say undefeated in 58 yrs will now b  a collector item

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 31, 2008, 12:48:16 PM
Anyone interested in Pick 'ems, I'll have Week 1 games posted ASAP (my apologies for missing Birmingham-Southern's first game).  Let me know if you want to go with straight winners as before, or if you want me to try to set spreads (no guarantees that they will be any good!).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 31, 2008, 04:09:07 PM
I think we should all meet in Vegas and organize these picks properly. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2008, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 31, 2008, 04:09:07 PM
I think we should all meet in Vegas and organize these picks properly. 

Just give me your CC number(s) and I'm there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2008, 05:05:52 PM
On a more serious note - the latest hurricane models are in, most carry Gustav into Texas Wed-Thur and a couple of them are showing Gustav in central Texas Friday - potentially disrupting a whole lotta football in all classifications in both Louisiana and TX.  This is trivial compared to what the people in NOLA and along the La. coast are facing, but worth noting.

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 31, 2008, 05:28:52 PM
Our hospital has begun receiving transfers out of southern LA today.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 31, 2008, 06:06:15 PM
Quote from: AF4 on August 31, 2008, 11:58:20 AM
Cambell 'T' shirts that say undefeated in 58 yrs will now b  a collector item

keep the faith
Yeah, but I'm sure the price would plummet if Campbell is spelled correctly.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 31, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2008, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 31, 2008, 04:09:07 PM
I think we should all meet in Vegas and organize these picks properly. 

Just give me your CC number(s) and I'm there.

Some place called Trinity got ahold of my credit card number a few months back.  You can now find me in a van down by the river. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 31, 2008, 07:06:28 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 31, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2008, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 31, 2008, 04:09:07 PM
I think we should all meet in Vegas and organize these picks properly. 

Just give me your CC number(s) and I'm there.

Some place called Trinity got a hold of my credit card number a few months back.  You can now find me in a van down by the river. 
Where do you plan to go with all of those frequent flier (credit card) miles that you are getting?  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 31, 2008, 07:24:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 31, 2008, 07:06:28 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 31, 2008, 06:30:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2008, 04:20:18 PM
Quote from: Tex on August 31, 2008, 04:09:07 PM
I think we should all meet in Vegas and organize these picks properly. 

Just give me your CC number(s) and I'm there.

Some place called Trinity got a hold of my credit card number a few months back.  You can now find me in a van down by the river. 
Where do you plan to go with all of those frequent flier (credit card) miles that you are getting?  :)

Lots of trips to Austin, TX.  I hear there's a team there called the 'Roos. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 01, 2008, 08:30:00 PM
McMurry Trinity fans...

I will drive to SAT for the game on Saturday, will arrive at 4pm and come back that night.

Email me if you want a ride from Dallas.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 02, 2008, 09:32:39 AM
Pick 'ems are up - we'll try spreads to make things a little more interesting (hopefully).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 02, 2008, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 01, 2008, 08:30:00 PM
McMurry Trinity fans...

I will drive to SAT for the game on Saturday, will arrive at 4pm and come back that night.

Email me if you want a ride from Dallas.   :)

Ralph, looking forward to meeting you in person.  Be sure to come on over to the home side and enjoy a burger and/or dog on TU! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 02, 2008, 07:16:18 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 02, 2008, 04:49:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 01, 2008, 08:30:00 PM
McMurry Trinity fans...

I will drive to SAT for the game on Saturday, will arrive at 4pm and come back that night.

Email me if you want a ride from Dallas.   :)

Ralph, looking forward to meeting you in person.  Be sure to come on over to the home side and enjoy a burger and/or dog on TU! 
See you there!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 03, 2008, 09:42:08 AM
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080903/SPORTS030105/809030331/1085

Not sure I agree with much this article says.  The Majors are no doubt looking for the automatice bid to the playoffs this year, but I will agree that this game is imporatant, as last year proved.  I guess not having the automatic bid last year makes the Majors second despite the "Co" title for the SCAC last year.  Lastly, I am sure the Tiger faithful will not agree with Dubose's assesment of Mississippi College compared to the rest of the SCAC!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2008, 10:13:30 AM
I'd like to see Miss Coll have more than one good season before elevating them above the entire SCAC.  I don't deny the ASC is a better conference overall - but a team with one winning season in the last six better than an entire conference? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 03, 2008, 10:34:41 AM
Quote from: exmajor on September 03, 2008, 09:42:08 AM
http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080903/SPORTS030105/809030331/1085

Not sure I agree with much this article says.  The Majors are no doubt looking for the automatice bid to the playoffs this year, but I will agree that this game is imporatant, as last year proved.  I guess not having the automatic bid last year makes the Majors second despite the "Co" title for the SCAC last year.  Lastly, I am sure the Tiger faithful will not agree with Dubose's assesment of Mississippi College compared to the rest of the SCAC!  ;)

All Dubose comments have to be taken with a big grain of salt.  I know we had some interesting discussions this time last year on the MC game.  Dubose completely screwed the pooch last season on this game.  I'm sure he'll be bestowing more accolades on them by the end of the week in order to soften a potential 3rd straight defeat?  And, while I'm talking about last season, I especially loved the way he called out his players in the interview after the TU lateral win.  I know he was frustrated, but he tossed those kids under the bus as well.  Classy.  

I've always been a closet Bama fan after multiple trips to Tuscaloosa, so take the following with another grain of salt.  

Dubose had it all at Bama and pissed it away.  I personally never had much interest in whether or not he boinked that secretary.  The thing I always wondered was if it was really him that made that bonehead call in the 97 Iron Bowl game and if he subsequently threw his assistant under the proverbial bus.  If he didn't make that call, it showed a lack of judgement to not at least know what the call was.  I think he fired three or four assistants after that season-ending loss.  There's no doubt the guy can coach.  What he's done in a short time at Milsaps is impressive.  But there always seems to be a cloud hanging over him at some point.  Everyone blamed Bama's NCAA investigations on Coach Fran, but those 21 lost scholies and 5 years probation came from actions during Dubose's tenure.  

The bottom line on his SCAC competition comment:  Neither MC nor TU were able to get past UMHB last year.  (I'm guessing the year before as well.)  I believe that's the current measuring stick for any ASC or SCAC team's overall success.  But one game at a time.  Let's see who earns the right to get that automatic bid.  Also, isn't it about time to get two SCAC teams into the playoffs?    

I'm Tex and I approved this message.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 03, 2008, 12:16:16 PM
For those who might be interested:

Below is the link to the season preview from the Austin College website.

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1524&ItemID=6319
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 03, 2008, 02:05:23 PM
Tex,

I agree with you and Ron about the ongoing SCAC vs. ASC debate, Ron is right in that MC needs to show more than an 8-2 season before being crowned better than any SCAC team and UMHB is the class of the two conferences when it comes to football currently.  I don't think Dubose was thinking too much about how we on the boards would take his comment about the level of competition and maybe he is setting himself up here, but the bottom line is this should be a great game between two very talented teams this year!

As far as your feeling towards Dubose, I personally care more about whether he "boinked" (have not heard that one in awhile) his sec. or not and how he has handled that situation since because that is a measure of character.  Despite his x's and o's philosphy in the past and his football decisions at Alabama, he has proven he can coach football at Millsaps.  It is ultimately more of a concern whether he can help instill good character traits in young men, most all of whom will not be playing football past college.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 03, 2008, 02:45:57 PM
Coach DuBose's comment is a bit on the ballsy side, I'd have to agree.  His personal issues aside, I think that he's given the DIII community more than ample ammunition to question his professional decision making process during his tenure at Millsaps--and comments like this, while great for newspaper sales, do lead one to wonder what is going on in that head of his.  Even with all of that taken into consideration, I do think that the Coctaws are competitively comprable to both Trinity and Millsaps, at least this year. 

It should be pointed out, however, that Mississippi College has been picked to finish third in the conference by almost everybody who knows anything about the ASC.  I point that out lest anyone get fished in by the preseason top 25 poll.

Having seen both play last year and knowing what they've got coming back, I give MC's offense a very slight edge of Millsaps defense.  I give the Major's offense a very significant edge over the MC defense, however. 

If Coach DuBose has learned anything about DIII football in the past year, he will play his starters the entire game.  And, in doing so, the Majors ought to walk away with a victory.  Not a blowout, but something in the 7-10 point range, in my estimation. 

That's the way I see it happening, at least.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 03, 2008, 03:51:17 PM
Quote from: exmajor on September 03, 2008, 02:05:23 PM
Tex,

I agree with you and Ron about the ongoing SCAC vs. ASC debate, Ron is right in that MC needs to show more than an 8-2 season before being crowned better than any SCAC team and UMHB is the class of the two conferences when it comes to football currently.  I don't think Dubose was thinking too much about how we on the boards would take his comment about the level of competition and maybe he is setting himself up here, but the bottom line is this should be a great game between two very talented teams this year!

As far as your feeling towards Dubose, I personally care more about whether he "boinked" (have not heard that one in awhile) his sec. or not and how he has handled that situation since because that is a measure of character.  Despite his x's and o's philosphy in the past and his football decisions at Alabama, he has proven he can coach football at Millsaps.  It is ultimately more of a concern whether he can help instill good character traits in young men, most all of whom will not be playing football past college.   

My basic point was that he is prone to popping off, saying things I believe he ends up regretting and that a dark cloud tends to follow him.  Character does matter, I 100% agree with you.  As a parent, you place your son into the hands of a coaching staff for 4 years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 03, 2008, 04:31:44 PM
being a closet Auburn fan ...heck.... no closet... they fed my family for a long time... so being an Auburn fan....and having lived in UCLA for a good while... i'm enjoying the dubose discussion like a drunk monkey

tex mention class and that fellow in the same sentence..... i never would.

last years MC loss... the first verbage out of his mouth after the miss miracle... (some one else brought up his secetary at bama...i ain't going there as that would b a bryant tradition)...northview highschool in dothan (although he did rebound at luverne).....  i never thought much of him after ed scissom fumbled the ball for bama at the end of a game, Auburn recovered kicked a field goal and won.... and he literally threw scissom and coaches (he fired them.....not his fault..even if he is the head coach) under the bus

win or lose...it don't matter.... i am proud he now resides in mississippi

(did anyone here feel my strong opinions...welcomed or not)

good luck in the scac this yr.... i will pull for yalls champ to compete well in the dance (even if it is a dubose coached team)

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2008, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: AF4 on September 03, 2008, 04:31:44 PM

good luck in the scac this yr.... i will pull for yalls champ to compete well in the dance (even if it is a dubose coached team)

keep the faith

Amen to that.  Been too long since we got a W in the postseason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 03, 2008, 07:29:01 PM
u no..... i re read my message.... and all i can say is i was way to hard on dubose

he knows more about football in his little fanger than i do in my whole dumb body....


sorry for the outburst of tempory insanity...i am given to fits of stupidity.. it comes with 28 yrs of standing behind a mare and trying to put your hand in her fanny..... i been kicked one toooo many times

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 03, 2008, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: AF4 on September 03, 2008, 07:29:01 PM
it comes with 28 yrs of standing behind a mare and trying to put your hand in her fanny..... i been kicked one toooo many times

Gotta say I've got absolutely no idea what to make of that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 03, 2008, 08:20:41 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 03, 2008, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: AF4 on September 03, 2008, 07:29:01 PM
it comes with 28 yrs of standing behind a mare and trying to put your hand in her fanny..... i been kicked one toooo many times

Gotta say I've got absolutely no idea what to make of that.
AF4,

Yeah, I know what you mean! :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 03, 2008, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 03, 2008, 07:31:55 PM
Quote from: AF4 on September 03, 2008, 07:29:01 PM
it comes with 28 yrs of standing behind a mare and trying to put your hand in her fanny..... i been kicked one toooo many times

Gotta say I've got absolutely no idea what to make of that.

Haha, I'm worried to report I understood it perfectly.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 04, 2008, 12:11:44 AM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 03, 2008, 02:45:57 PM
It should be pointed out, however, that Mississippi College has been picked to finish third in the conference by almost everybody who knows anything about the ASC.  I point that out lest anyone get fished in by the preseason top 25 poll.
Josh,
   I would disagree with that statement. HSU was picked ahead of MS College by one point in the ASC preseason poll, which is voted on by 27 of the most knowledgable ASC people consisting of coaches, SID's and media. So the votes were split pretty much 50/50 between the two schools for 2nd and 3rd place. I don't think I would say that is "everybody" voting MS College 3rd.  I personally consider MC third in the ASC until we're able to beat either UMHB or HSU, but the preseason poll was pretty much split down the middle on MC and HSU. Having said that, I think HSU will be greatly improved this year and MC will have to be that much more improved to finally beat them.
    The MS College/Millsaps game this weekend should be a great one. Two very good teams deserving of Top 25 consideration. MS College has steadily improved the last three years with Coach Joseph and will put another very good team on the field Saturday. Millsaps will also have a very good team, I was impressed with what I saw of them last year. After UMHB, I think Millsaps, Trinity, HSU and MC are all very closely bunched.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 04, 2008, 12:31:55 AM
Well, the two teams will get to settle it on the field in a few weeks, Chris.

Dave Campbell's Texas Football and this site also picked them third, though, so one point or not...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 04, 2008, 12:45:35 AM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 04, 2008, 12:31:55 AM
Well, the two teams will get to settle it on the field in a few weeks, Chris.

Dave Campbell's Texas Football and this site also picked them third, though, so one point or not...

Like I said, I personally would continue to put MC third until they are able to knock off HSU or UMHB, they have owned the Choctaws. The HSU defense was not normal for the Cowboys last season and I doubt it happens again this year. They will be very much improved and we already know HSU is going to put up a lot of points.

MC was third in Dave Campbell's book and on the Kickoff Preview. The Top 25 poll had MC a bit higher and the ASC preseason poll was pretty much split. I just wouldn't say everybody knowledgable about the ASC had MC third, or that MC's ranking is the result of uninformed voters.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2008, 12:48:13 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on September 04, 2008, 12:11:44 AM
Quote from: Josh Bowerman on September 03, 2008, 02:45:57 PM
It should be pointed out, however, that Mississippi College has been picked to finish third in the conference by almost everybody who knows anything about the ASC.  I point that out lest anyone get fished in by the preseason top 25 poll.
Josh,
   I would disagree with that statement. HSU was picked ahead of MS College by one point in the ASC preseason poll, which is voted on by 27 of the most knowledgable ASC people consisting of coaches, SID's and media. So the votes were split pretty much 50/50 between the two schools for 2nd and 3rd place. I don't think I would say that is "everybody" voting MS College 3rd.  I personally consider MC third in the ASC until we're able to beat either UMHB or HSU, but the preseason poll was pretty much split down the middle on MC and HSU. Having said that, I think HSU will be greatly improved this year and MC will have to be that much more improved to finally beat them.
    The MS College/Millsaps game this weekend should be a great one. Two very good teams deserving of Top 25 consideration. MS College has steadily improved the last three years with Coach Joseph and will put another very good team on the field Saturday. Millsaps will also have a very good team, I was impressed with what I saw of them last year. After UMHB, I think Millsaps, Trinity, HSU and MC are all very closely bunched.

I thought this was quite reasonable, +1 Chris.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 04, 2008, 12:49:49 AM
having watched AC constantly get smashed when they were in the ASC versus becoming far more competitive in the SCAC makes me think the ASC is tougher top to bottom.

Now perhaps Coach Gage really is THAT good which gets me even more excited for this year but thats pretty much how I feel about it.
Title: Millsaps College Football / Mike Dubose Pregame Show Tonight
Post by: Carl Menist on September 04, 2008, 05:45:40 PM
The Millsaps Football Pregame show is scheduled for 7:00PM CST tonight and can be heard through the following link:

http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm

FYI/Thanks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 04, 2008, 07:19:15 PM
as for Dubose, he and his staff were HUGE crybabies about the AC end zone fans disrupting his teams cadence when they got down to our red zone last year.

I found that really interesting considering he had been the HC at a big time school and suddenly having about 20 or so students yelling (like you are supposed to do at a damn football game) was an issue.

maybe he was flustered it took until the 4th quarter and for us to throw the game away with bad mistakes to put it away but it was extremely comical from my point of view. 

Title: Re: Millsaps College Football Video/Play-by-Play Internetcast Rollout
Post by: Carl Menist on September 04, 2008, 09:04:52 PM
Quote from: Carl Menist on September 04, 2008, 05:45:40 PM
The Millsaps Football Pregame show is scheduled for 7:00PM CST tonight and can be heard through the following link:

http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm

FYI/Thanks

Was good first broadcast of the season.

Kevin M., Millsaps SID, anounced that all games will be broadcast(video) live along with the audio play-by-play that had been provided only via radio in prior years. He also indicated that 5 other schools in the conference will be doing the same or something very similar.

It will be great for fans to be able to enjoy this and see some of the other teams play as the season progresses.

Also a plus is that all other fall sports will be video broadcasted, most times without the play-by-play but with a mike that will allow for the viewer to hear the sounds of the game, local PA announcer I pressume.

Basketball will have both video and play-by-play.

Thought you folks would appreciate the info.

Good luck to all  except when you are up against Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 04, 2008, 11:54:19 PM
Quote from: KentATM on September 04, 2008, 07:19:15 PM
as for Dubose, he and his staff were HUGE crybabies about the AC end zone fans disrupting his teams cadence when they got down to our red zone last year.

I found that really interesting considering he had been the HC at a big time school and suddenly having about 20 or so students yelling (like you are supposed to do at a damn football game) was an issue.

maybe he was flustered it took until the 4th quarter and for us to throw the game away with bad mistakes to put it away but it was extremely comical from my point of view. 




Funny story, I hadn't heard that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 05, 2008, 12:15:03 AM
Trinity will again endeavor to do live audio and video streams of ALL games this season.  Check the TU football website for links...  Dr Ralph Turner has agreed to join Jonny Wiener in the booth as a guest for the TU v McM game at 6pm central Saturday from San Antonio. 
Video/audio stream:  http://secure.stretchinternet.com/demo/games.php?user=trinity&o=cal_stamp
Audio only:  http://stream.krtu.org:9000/krtu-sports-ch1-96kb.m3u
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 05, 2008, 09:01:44 AM
I missed the announcement about this being "Pile on Coach DuBose Week".  I can't wait till someone writes that he wore a Pat Buchanan button in 1999 and therefore DuBose must be a Nazi sympathizer.

What I mostly know about Coach DuBose is that he was hired as head coach at Millsaps late in the spring of 2006, inheriting a team that had gone 2-7 in 2005 with both wins being by one point. Despite the handicap that this late hire put on recruiting and putting together a staff, in 6 months he transformed a team that almost went winless into a SCAC Championship winner.  He followed that up with a co-championship that was "co" only because Trinity pulled off a play that was judge the best play in college football last year.

I don't know Coach DuBose very well, but I like what I know of him.  His assistant coaches and players seem to love working under him and playing for him.  I've been on the sideline the last two years for the Millsaps home games and I appreciate the fact that while Coach DuBose might be intense, he is not one of those coaches who yells and cusses and rants and raves, something I have seen more than once on the visitor's sideline.  He also lets his assistants coach, placing great trust in them and not acting like he is the all-knowing one just because he is a former SEC Coach of the Year.

Admittedly, he has some questionable moments in his past unlike the rest of us, and it is true that he hasn't won a championship every year like most other coaches, but I'm still glad he is at Millsaps and I appreciate what he has done for the program and for the student-athletes at Millsaps over the last two years.  That's just one person's opinion for what it is worth and I hope this board will keep its focus on the games instead of taking detours to trash various coaches and players around the league.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 05, 2008, 09:50:45 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 05, 2008, 09:01:44 AM
I missed the announcement about this being "Pile on Coach DuBose Week".  I can't wait till someone writes that he wore a Pat Buchanan button in 1999 and therefore DuBose must be a Nazi sympathizer.

What I mostly know about Coach DuBose is that he was hired as head coach at Millsaps late in the spring of 2006, inheriting a team that had gone 2-7 in 2005 with both wins being by one point. Despite the handicap that this late hire put on recruiting and putting together a staff, in 6 months he transformed a team that almost went winless into a SCAC Championship winner.  He followed that up with a co-championship that was "co" only because Trinity pulled off a play that was judge the best play in college football last year.

I don't know Coach DuBose very well, but I like what I know of him.  His assistant coaches and players seem to love working under him and playing for him.  I've been on the sideline the last two years for the Millsaps home games and I appreciate the fact that while Coach DuBose might be intense, he is not one of those coaches who yells and cusses and rants and raves, something I have seen more than once on the visitor's sideline.  He also lets his assistants coach, placing great trust in them and not acting like he is the all-knowing one just because he is a former SEC Coach of the Year.

Admittedly, he has some questionable moments in his past unlike the rest of us, and it is true that he hasn't won a championship every year like most other coaches, but I'm still glad he is at Millsaps and I appreciate what he has done for the program and for the student-athletes at Millsaps over the last two years.  That's just one person's opinion for what it is worth and I hope this board will keep its focus on the games instead of taking detours to trash various coaches and players around the league.

Thank you Frank, we can't change opinions it seems and evryone is certainly entitled to them, but would love to focus on the actual games this week!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 05, 2008, 02:37:52 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 05, 2008, 09:01:44 AM
Admittedly, he has some questionable moments in his past unlike the rest of us

Well, Frank, it would be my estimation that as a public figure, part of the responsibility of his position is accepting criticism for those questionable moments.  Paricularly when it comes to quotes HE directly made in regards to his opposition.  (i.e. - "There's nobody in our conference (the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference) as good as [Miss Coll]") I'm sorry, when you say something like that, somebody's going to call you on it.  And it probably ought to start out of San Antonio.

While some of those "questionable moments" may not be relevant to his ability to put together this Saturday's gameplan, some of them certainly are, including the game plan fom the 2007 Backyard Brawl.  Heck, if Walker yanked the starters in the 3rd quarter of Monon and lost, I'd have wally_wabash pointing and laughing at me on this board for the next decade.  I also think that DuBose throwing a fit at 20 Austin fans when he's coached in front of 40,000 is amusing, if nothing else. 

On top of that, I believe that this is the most appropriate forum to note those things, regardless of a person's affiliation. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 05, 2008, 03:43:42 PM

I've been inspired to sound off about another SCAC coach and I can't believe that no one has made comments to this effect before.

I'm calling out Steve Mohr on this:

In the 2002 national championship game, Coach was interviewed as to what he would do differently now that the backup QB had to play.  He said they weren't changing anything and they still thought they could sustain their offense with who they had.  The nerve!  I can't believe he said that!  What was he thinking?  That Steve Mohr, he's a loose cannon. 

I think that's his most controversial comment or action over the last 18 years that I can remember.  People talk about Trinity's program winning ball games, but you hardly ever read posts up here about the coach doing ANYTHING, much less putting his foot in his mouth.  He has that part of his job figured out.  Apparently, Dubose does not, so winning ball games and satisfying players/coaches isn't going to win over the non-Millsaps folk who follow the SCAC.  In two years, he's given us all a great deal of material, and I believe he's worthy of that criticism despite being an on-the-field success.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 05, 2008, 04:02:25 PM
Wes--In general I agree with your statement.  The recent comment in the newspaper, the decision against MC last year, and even the failure to run out the clock at the end of the Trinity game--these are all very valid points of discussion.  My concern is when the comments get a little too far off topic and seem to be more about personal attacks.

Let me point out that I felt this same way and made comments about it when we had the various DePauw factions trashing individual coaches.  I also felt like some of the comments got a little too personal on the ASC board recently in regards to the talented transfer who was recently release by UMHB.  Obviously I draw the line regarding "going too far" at a different spot than others.  That was my point and I have a feeling that you and I are probably in fairly close agreement on the subject.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 05, 2008, 04:50:20 PM
i have recanted my evil non thanking sayings about Coach Dubose

and as far as the past goes...i am glad he did allow the pass to ed scissom... i am glad it was fumbled  (bless his heart) and glad Auburn recovered... AU kicked a last second desperation field goal and won......and of course....contributed to the times Auburn has defeated the evil empire of the tuscaloosa trade school

Sewanee scrimaged us in Montgomery...and i thank they r improved over last yr

good luck to ALL the SCAC..... we don't play any of yall in real games this yr...so i am hoping yall win all yalls non region games

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 06, 2008, 09:11:07 PM
Millsaps is in COMPLETE control tonight.  The Majors lead Miss. College 28-3 at halftime. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 06, 2008, 09:13:07 PM
Now, let's see what Dubose does in the 2nd half.  Joseph looks very strong, waiting on his first #'s
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 06, 2008, 09:24:03 PM
They seem to be clicking on both sides of the ball. DBs could have had some shut down ints. but they will improve in the pressure defense. Seems to be more running with the new OC. This is a mature team making a very good QB look shakey. Thanks Kevin M. for the video feed. It helps us forget about the storm impact for a few hours. Go Majors. DuBose please let the dogs run in the 2nd half. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 06, 2008, 09:29:50 PM
Through the first half:

Millsaps' QB Juan Joseph is 15-18 for 225 yards and 3 TDs.  His first three passes of the evening were incomplete.   On the ground the Majors have rushed for 68 yards. 

Miss. College has 34 yards on the ground and 119 through the air.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 06, 2008, 10:47:36 PM
Millsaps defeats Miss. Colege 42-6 in a dominating performance tonight in Jackson.

Great way to start the season for the Majors!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 06, 2008, 10:54:09 PM
In a post game interview, Coach DuBose commented that he was "extremely proud" of his football team.  However, he did go on to say that his defense didn't play well.....so much for keeping Miss. College out of the endzone all night.    :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on September 07, 2008, 12:03:15 AM
Congrats to the TU Tigers on a strong home opener.  Bryant looked poised, and Chris Baer looked quicker and shiftier than ever.  I couldn't get the web-cast to work until halftime, but from what I could tell the first half was all TU, and the young defensive secondary got some valuable experience that Coach Inco and the other defensive coaches will use well in the film room tomorrow. 

I know that there is no way an Inco-coached defense stays young and inexperienced for a whole season.  I miss you all and hope to come home soon.  Congrats to other SCAC winners on the day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 07, 2008, 12:17:58 AM
coachhaack ... got your voice mail today ... glad you were able to catch the game on webcast.  Yes, the Tigers looked very good today, especially in the first half.  Solid start for the TU offense and the defense is coming along.  Stay safe!

A special thanks to Dr. Ralph Turner for pitching in on the webcast ... great to meet you and glad you made the trip to S.A.  Don't be a stranger!  Good luck to McMurry in the rest of the season ... you have some fine athletes who will do well this year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 07, 2008, 12:52:04 AM
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My favorite play of tonight's TU/McM game was the first TD when Chris Baer met up with a defender standing between Baer and the end zone.  THe defender looked like he was anticipating a move, but Baer just bowled him over.  Hard nosed running.  I'm not sure how many rushing yards we had tonight but the team looked good. 

Photos and news story already up on the newspaper's site...  http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/local_colleges/Trinity_scores_in_bunches_to_handle_McMurry.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2008, 02:23:47 AM
Thanks all around...

Just got back home.

Wow!  It is 20 degrees cooler in north Texas.  Almost needed a sweater!  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 07, 2008, 08:55:26 AM
Box score for Millsaps-MC game:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-01.HTM

Millsaps Story:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/090608story.shtml

Story in local newspaper:  http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080907/SPORTS030105/809070376/1085
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2008, 09:26:25 AM
Modestly presented, Frank.

Congratulations and +1!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2008, 11:00:58 AM
Historymajor, it was good to see you again.  Had a great time with you and the production crew of PAWS.

AD Bob King, your hospitality to the McMurry "tribe" was greatly appreciated. Your opening Mabee for our "friends and alumni" gathering was wonderful. That was a great venue for us to meet, greet and eat!

LTGray, Tex and Papa Baer...it was great to put a face with the names.

All in all, it was a good weekend in a great in environment...

And E M Stevens is not as bad as Bonzo "word-painted" it.   (Bonzo has a great gift for writing.  ;)   :D  )
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on September 07, 2008, 11:21:55 AM
Quote from: consultant on September 06, 2008, 10:54:09 PM
In a post game interview, Coach DuBose commented that he was "extremely proud" of his football team.  However, he did go on to say that his defense didn't play well.....so much for keeping Miss. College out of the endzone all night.    :)


Joseph looked solid through the air and on his feet.  The defense did miss about 4 picks they should've had.  Oh, and we did keep them out of the end zone all night.  MC got just two field goals. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2008, 12:31:24 PM
Finally online - having moved to Austin, we won't have connectivity until mid-week.  Sitting at a Waterloo Ice House.

Saints help us all (except Millsaps fans, of course) if MC truly is better than anyone in the SCAC  ;)  Very impressive showing from the Majors. 

The only ASC/SCAC score in the Austin paper was the TU-McM score and of course no writeups.  There's one thing I'll miss about the Dallas area, they'd have all the scores and a writeup every so often.  Yes, when I can get online D3football is the place to go!

Very nice showing by Mr. Bryant for TU - definitely did not expect to see 48 points on the board for the home side.  Also good to see 100+ yds rushing from Mr. Baer. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 07, 2008, 01:54:33 PM
Ralph, nice to meet you as well.  You threw me off for a second after the game.  I saw the gentlemen with the maroon shirt calling out to me, on the home side.  It took me a second to figure it out!  Then I saw the McMurry logo on the shirt and it all fell into place. 

EM Stevens was rocking last night.  I wasn't expecting a 48 either, but was seriously hoping we'd get up by enough to allow the 2nd string to make it into the game.  And, they finally did.  Had we not given up that TD pass right before halftime, it might have happened sooner.  But that gave McMurry a shot of "mo" as they headed into the half.  No quit in McMurry.

THere were a few skills players McMurry have that are going to give some of their conference opponents issues.  The tall receiver has got serious jump.  (and a bit of that Michael Irving ability to create separation).  The RB was greased lightning.  Had the QB been able to draw in a bit more accuracy, they score more points for sure. 

By the way, Ralph, what is y'all's mascot anyway?  It wasn't in the program. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2008, 02:23:44 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 07, 2008, 01:54:33 PM
Ralph, nice to meet you as well.  You threw me off for a second after the game.  I saw the gentlemen with the maroon shirt calling out to me, on the home side.  It took me a second to figure it out!  Then I saw the McMurry logo on the shirt and it all fell into place. 

EM Stevens was rocking last night.  I wasn't expecting a 48 either, but was seriously hoping we'd get up by enough to allow the 2nd string to make it into the game.  And, they finally did.  Had we not given up that TD pass right before halftime, it might have happened sooner.  But that gave McMurry a shot of "mo" as they headed into the half.  No quit in McMurry.

THere were a few skills players McMurry have that are going to give some of their conference opponents issues.  The tall receiver has got serious jump.  (and a bit of that Michael Irving ability to create separation).  The RB was greased lightning.  Had the QB been able to draw in a bit more accuracy, they score more points for sure. 

By the way, Ralph, what is y'all's mascot anyway?  It wasn't in the program. 
We failed in all appeals to the NCAA regarding our nickname "Indians".  We have had no mascot for about a decade in deference to sensibilities on depictions of native Americans.

The NCAA found no incidents where there was a hostile environment towards native Americans by McMurry's use of Indians as a team nickname.  Nor could the NCAA find any evidence of behavior outside the guidelines.   However, the NCAA stated that it was uncertain that no hostile environment might not arise in an NCAA contest and used that as a basis to reject our appeals.

The McMurry Board of Trustees looked at our heritage, reflected upon our sense of "cherish [ing] our traditions", including 58 consecutive years of the Cultural Outreach, Tipi Village (Please click to read the D3football.com Daily Dose (http://www.d3hoops.com/dailydose/2006/05/20/about-mcmurrys-indians/)), recognized our diversity (#3 in US News & WR) in the West Region and decided that we would forgo any nicknames and mascots.

Our athletics teams are simply the McMurry Football Team, the McMurry Women's Basketball Team, etc.

I was speaking to a 1965 San Antonio alum about the process at the McMurry pre-game social function.  She was happy that the Board did not adopt another nickname..."Once an Indian, Always an Indian".

Thanks for asking, and thanks to Trinity for being great hosts.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 07, 2008, 02:37:50 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2008, 12:31:24 PM
Saints help us all (except Millsaps fans, of course) if MC truly is better than anyone in the SCAC  ;)  Very impressive showing from the Majors. 
Ron,
  This is just my opinion, but this year's Mississippi College team is not the same as the last two years and I'm not sure this year's loss says anything about the previous teams. I know Coach Dubose took a lot of shots this week for his comments, but the last few years the MS College team was comparable to anyone in the SCAC. This year's Choctaw team is different. The starting lineup yesterday had 3 new wr's, 2 new rb's, 2 new cb's, 2 new safeties, and a new mlb. And those 10 positions last year were filled with 7 All-ASC players, one of which is on the Green Bay Packers practice squad. Just no way to tell what the new players will do this year, I'm hoping it is a similiar situation to Millsaps two years ago when we beat them 52-28 to start the season and they went on to win the SCAC.

   Having said that, Millsaps played a great game against MC yesterday. I think that is the best Millsaps team I have seen. I wasn't sure how good they would be up front on both sides because of losses from last year's team, but they were OK there. They beat you at the skill positions which are about as good as you're going to find in DIII, they've been together several years and have great chemistry. Juan Joseph had a great game running and passing, the kid has a good arm but you forget he can run. Besides Mary Hardin-Baylor, I would probably give them the nod against any other ASC teams, unless HSU is back to a top 10 team again. UMHB is just in another league. Millsaps is probably in the top 10-20 range nationally in my opinion, and they are probably very close to top 10

   Right now, I think Millsaps has a great chance to run the table. I wouldn't be surprised to see them run roughshod through the SCAC, and that includes their trip to Trinity. Joseph is a great player and is working with skill people who have been with him a few years. Coach Dubose has another solid defense and they have a great system. It will be very hard for anyone to beat the Majors this season in the regular season considering what I saw last night compared to the last couple seasons. Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 08, 2008, 10:12:18 AM
Good to be back on the board!  I'm looking for another great year in the South Region!

Just had to pick up on some of the particulars in Chris Brooks' comments after watching these two fine teams in action Saturday night in an electric Backyard Brawl atmosphere.  It was SRO!

MC's 52-28 win two years ago was scary for Major fans as the passing defense simply wasn't there, and it took two more non-conference games to get the system working before the Majors ran the table in the conference schedule.  I truly think this Choctaw team will get in the film room and will have the chance to straighten out some of their issues before they begin their march into Texas.  While they didn't look "green", the Choctaws passing D was definitely overmatched by the experience of the Millsaps offense, despite questions along the O-line.  One significant new feature was freshman 6-2, 315 lb. Oliver Galicki who moves well for his size and will mature quickly.  I saw a couple of times when he was "taking instruction" from older linemen.  If he can listen and learn, he should become a dominating force in a year or so.  While Joseph was pressured a bit more than last year, he appeared more mobile than in previous years and also played with a calm head and super decision making.  The experience of receivers McCarty, Savage, and Epps was ever-apparent.  Add Menist, Milazzo, Perreira, Galatas, etc., and this offense looks simply FORMIDABLE again - possibly top 10 in production.
And while Millsaps has been known as an offense that "uses the pass to set up the next pass", they seemed committed to trying to do more with the run.

Their were a lot of changes on defense, but this defense looked not only ready, but hungry to prove themselves.  Swapping from a 3-4 to a 4-3 through the night, a lot of players saw action along the line and just behind it all through the game, not just in the fourth quarter.  Anderson and Dale gave consistent pressure, along with new blood on the line, though the MC QB was well-protected.  The Majors played it pretty conservatively I thought, not often commiting to the blitz.  This may have been because of confidence in what was behind them.  I thought a particular high spot was in the defensive backfield, this week recognized in the naming of DB Michael Sims to the TOTW.  The Majors held a good quarterback (Schaffer) in check without apparently dropping any assignments as no receiver ever simply "got loose".  Defensive backs were step-for-step with MC all night, defending 13 passes and picking 2.  This continued to be true deep into the roster.  This defense may once again be high in the passing efficiency defense statistics.  It will be interesting to see how this team fares against a more balanced attack like Trinity's (all miracles aside) as they're forced to cover more of the field.

Special teams showed no surprises on either side, though Millsaps appeared to have come out just a bit ahead on KO coverage.  Kruse kicked well on his two field goals, but neither was very long.  The Millsaps kickers hit the ball deep on all kickoffs but had no FG attempts.  MC's punter was good, but Millsap's Larrimore was consistent as well.

Some questions about changes in the coaching staff were also answered, as Coach Dubose seems to have replaced OC Shannon Dawson very competently.  The Majors were very effective in conversions all night.

Millsaps is showing signs of establishing a strong tradition.  Season tickets have been in high enough demand that they have gotten more "pricey".  (I'd be interested in knowing what that's like at a MHB or UW-Whitewater.)  And while this team will not draw 10K for its games, support is VERY strong.  We''ll have to see what happens post-Joseph!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 08, 2008, 10:26:35 AM
One more observation about my trip to SAT...

you know when you have crossed the cultural boundary when the big flashing mall marquis proclaims

"Super MERCA2",

and the message makes sense when you read that as "MERCADOS".

:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 08, 2008, 11:52:55 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 08, 2008, 10:26:35 AM
One more observation about my trip to SAT...

you know when you have crossed the cultural boundary when the big flashing mall marquis proclaims

"Super MERCA2",

and the message makes sense when you read that as "MERCADOS".

:D

San Antone is the 10th largest city in the US, but is definitely a place where a working knowledge of conversational spanish is a huge plus. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 08, 2008, 11:52:55 AM


San Antone is the 10th largest city in the US, but is definitely a place where a working knowledge of conversational spanish is a huge plus. 

Seventh according to 2005 estimates (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html).   ;) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on September 08, 2008, 03:14:04 PM
New Top 25 Poll has Trinity at #22 and Millsaps at #24.

Strong showing by both teams over the weekend on the scoreboard.

http://www.d3football.com/top25/2008/week-1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 08, 2008, 04:11:05 PM
Strange to see Trinity drop two spots after a strong showing ... and I'm sure MC will be back in the hunt after they work a couple of kinks out ...
I also think we'll see Millsaps move up, though for now, I'd just as soon see them "under the radar" ...

How is Depauw looking this time around?  Anybody want to weigh in?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 08, 2008, 04:33:20 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on September 08, 2008, 04:11:05 PM
Strange to see Trinity drop two spots after a strong showing ... and I'm sure MC will be back in the hunt after they work a couple of kinks out ...
I also think we'll see Millsaps move up, though for now, I'd just as soon see them "under the radar" ...

How is Depauw looking this time around?  Anybody want to weigh in?
Actually Trinity lost 6 votes, total, which would have not changed their ordinal ranking.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 08, 2008, 04:39:28 PM
More a matter of others moving up more strongly ... got it ... I think ...

Always takes a few weeks for it to shake out, doesn't it?

I actually think the poll looks good at this stage.  Sometimes it's kind of hard to tell with teams playing some lesser known cross-divisional opponents.

Ralph, do you think that can actually hurt some teams who are playing out of D-3?  How is that usually considered?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 08, 2008, 07:29:12 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on September 08, 2008, 04:39:28 PM
More a matter of others moving up more strongly ... got it ... I think ...

Always takes a few weeks for it to shake out, doesn't it?

I actually think the poll looks good at this stage.  Sometimes it's kind of hard to tell with teams playing some lesser known cross-divisional opponents.

Ralph, do you think that can actually hurt some teams who are playing out of D-3?  How is that usually considered?
I think it is on a case-by-case basis.

Personally, I think that a strong D-II program or a very well-respected NAIA doesn't hurt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACCENTRE43 on September 08, 2008, 08:08:35 PM
Hello fellow SCAC fans.  I am a recent graduate of Centre College where I played football for Coach Andy Frye.  Since I'm missing playing the sport I figured this posting board could help satisfy my D3 Football fix!

I was impressed with Centre's opening win over Hanover.  Although the Panthers have not been great lately it's still always nice to get that opening win, especially since the SCAC has become such a demanding conference what with the travel and 8 league games.

Looking forward to the rest of the season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 08, 2008, 08:37:57 PM
QuoteHow is Depauw looking this time around?  Anybody want to weigh in?

I think folks in Greencastle are fairly optimistic...lots of experience and talent back on offense and experienced, physical fronts on both sides of the ball. The Tigers will obviously really miss the school's all time leading rusher Jerimiah Marks and talented offensive lineman Kerry Pappas; will also need to fill some holes in the secondary...but all in all the potential for a great season is there...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 08, 2008, 08:39:22 PM
QuoteI was impressed with Centre's opening win over Hanover.  Although the Panthers have not been great lately it's still always nice to get that opening win, especially since the SCAC has become such a demanding conference what with the travel and 8 league games.

What's your read on Centre's strengths/weaknesses?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 08, 2008, 09:27:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2008, 03:09:57 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 08, 2008, 11:52:55 AM


San Antone is the 10th largest city in the US, but is definitely a place where a working knowledge of conversational spanish is a huge plus. 

Seventh according to 2005 estimates (http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0763098.html).   ;) 

Is this a case where your ranking goes up even when you have an open date?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACCENTRE43 on September 08, 2008, 11:08:54 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 08, 2008, 08:39:22 PM
QuoteI was impressed with Centre's opening win over Hanover.  Although the Panthers have not been great lately it's still always nice to get that opening win, especially since the SCAC has become such a demanding conference what with the travel and 8 league games.

What's your read on Centre's strengths/weaknesses?



From what I've gathered defense will be their strength this season.  Adam Hay, middle linebacker, was honorable mention all-american last year, and a pre-season all-american in most publications this year.  A couple guys to replace in the defensive backfield, so that could be a potential weakness, but Centre usually plays pretty sound defensive football.

For the last few seasons the offense has been the x-factor and I think that will again be the case this year.  A new offensive coordinator has a lot of us excited, but how well the O-Line comes together will be huge.  Also, Grant Conliffe, the QB, still has a lot to prove.

One other thing, and I wonder if this applies to most of the teams in the SCAC, but Centre is usually very tough to beat at home.  I know when I played our home record was usually significantly better than on the road.  You can chalk that up to pure chance, but I tend to believe the travel schedule in the SCAC has a major affect on some of these schools.  It's no excuse, you have to be ready to play, but there's a big difference between sleeping in your own bed and having to saddle up a 13 hour bus ride to Millsaps.  Glad their coming to Danville this year!

I know Depauw was always a game I circled on our schedule.  Was it, or is it, considered a big game by Depauw standards?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2008, 11:33:28 PM
Welcome MacCentre43!  Been too long since we've had a knowledgeable Centre poster on the boards.

One of the things I would like to see someone do is compare SCAC home/away records against the rest of D3, and you could factor in distance travelled, too.  Going to be interesting to see how Colorado College's home-field advantage develops as they become accustomed to the SCAC, same goes for Birmingham-Southern as they re-establish their program. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 09, 2008, 06:01:50 AM
QuoteI know Depauw was always a game I circled on our schedule.  Was it, or is it, considered a big game by Depauw standards?

I think so. We lost a tough one at your place two years ago, but were ready when you came to Greencastle last year. I'm sure it will be a good game in Danville September 20!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 09, 2008, 08:58:51 AM
SCAC Week One Players of the Week are up:
http://www.scac-online.org/football/player_of_the_week.shtml

Congratulations to all the fine players mentioned ... good start, guys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 09, 2008, 09:35:11 AM
Anyone here notice the stat sheet from TU/McM the other night?  There was some brief talk about how Milsaps was going to run a more balanced attack this year.  I love balanced attacks, so I gave props to Milsaps at the time.  Guess what I saw the other night?  TU rushed for a few more yards than they passed for.  O-line dads love to see this.  I'm guessing RB dads are tickled about it as well.  Is that right Papa Baer? 

I'm not a stats hound, but I'd love to know when the last time a Trinity team rushed for more than they threw.  Maybe it happens more often that not.  I'm still the new guy around the world of D-3. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACCENTRE43 on September 09, 2008, 01:24:29 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 09, 2008, 08:58:51 AM
SCAC Week One Players of the Week are up:
http://www.scac-online.org/football/player_of_the_week.shtml

Congratulations to all the fine players mentioned ... good start, guys!


Two Centre players grab honors!  Keep it up guys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 09, 2008, 07:47:39 PM
C6H0 again?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 09, 2008, 08:10:49 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 09, 2008, 09:35:11 AM
I'm not a stats hound, but I'd love to know when the last time a Trinity team rushed for more than they threw. 

10/7/2006 vs. Huntingdon.  (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/Statistics/2006/hc-tu.htm) TU rushed for 213 on 44 carries.  Only 10-23 through the air for 147 yards for Blake Barmore.

Before that, you have to go back to  2005 vs. Centre. (http://www.scac-online.org/football2005/CCTU.HTM)  TU ran it 45 times for 300 yards, and passed just 15 times for 86 yards.  An interesting note - that was the second consecutive week it occured.   The week before (http://www.scac-online.org/football2005/TUNC4.HTM), against Huntingdon, they went for 189 on the ground and 164 through the air.

Once in 2004, as well, against Redlands (http://www.scac-online.org/football2004/TUNC3.HTM).  Although that was mostly due to the 701 total yards.  389 rushing and 312 passing.

I gave up after that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 09, 2008, 08:30:00 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 09, 2008, 08:10:49 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 09, 2008, 09:35:11 AM
I'm not a stats hound, but I'd love to know when the last time a Trinity team rushed for more than they threw. 

10/7/2006 vs. Huntingdon.  (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/Statistics/2006/hc-tu.htm) TU rushed for 213 on 44 carries.  Only 10-23 through the air for 147 yards for Blake Barmore.

Before that, you have to go back to  2005 vs. Centre. (http://www.scac-online.org/football2005/CCTU.HTM)  TU ran it 45 times for 300 yards, and passed just 15 times for 86 yards.  An interesting note - that was the second consecutive week it occured.   The week before (http://www.scac-online.org/football2005/TUNC4.HTM), against Huntingdon, they went for 189 on the ground and 164 through the air.

Once in 2004, as well, against Redlands (http://www.scac-online.org/football2004/TUNC3.HTM).  Although that was mostly due to the 701 total yards.  389 rushing and 312 passing.

I gave up after that.

Ask and I shall receive...  Thanks Wes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 09, 2008, 09:25:07 PM
Good hurricane tracker.  Lots of options on the upper left.  http://www.stormpulse.com/fullscreen/current 

I wonder if the TU/TLU game will be affected?  They predict (at this point) the eye of what is left (TS probably) will be right around Seguin on Saturday afternoon/evening. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 09, 2008, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 09, 2008, 09:25:07 PM
Good hurricane tracker.  Lots of options on the upper left.  http://www.stormpulse.com/fullscreen/current 

I wonder if the TU/TLU game will be affected?  They predict (at this point) the eye of what is left (TS probably) will be right around Seguin on Saturday afternoon/evening. 
The new-style turf at Matador Stadium in Seguin should be able to handle it.  Watch out for lightning...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 09, 2008, 11:41:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 09, 2008, 09:46:25 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 09, 2008, 09:25:07 PM
Good hurricane tracker.  Lots of options on the upper left.  http://www.stormpulse.com/fullscreen/current 

I wonder if the TU/TLU game will be affected?  They predict (at this point) the eye of what is left (TS probably) will be right around Seguin on Saturday afternoon/evening. 
The new-style turf at Matador Stadium in Seguin should be able to handle it.  Watch out for lightning...

Tornadoes as well perhaps. I don't recall a lot of lightning when I rode out Alicia in 83 down in the Galveston area.  I do remember a lot of tornadoes, however. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2008, 12:28:45 AM
Quote from: Tex on September 09, 2008, 09:25:07 PM
Good hurricane tracker.  Lots of options on the upper left.  http://www.stormpulse.com/fullscreen/current 

I wonder if the TU/TLU game will be affected?  They predict (at this point) the eye of what is left (TS probably) will be right around Seguin on Saturday afternoon/evening. 

Depends on where the eye of the storm goes (among other things).  If it hits around Corpus and stays south and west of SA/Seguin there will be wind and torrential downpours possible.  If, on the other hand, it veers further north so that the eye passes to the east of Seguin, it should just be mainly a wind event.

And, of course, if it goes into Brownsville and stays down there there will be very little impact. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 10, 2008, 07:17:02 AM
As a result of the predicted track and timing of Hurricane Ike, many, MANY high schools in South Texas have moved their Friday night games to Thursday.  It certainly seems possible that TU @ TLU might also be changed, but I have heard nothing from either school yet.  Will report here if I do learn anything official.

Tex, yes, I think we were all very pleased to see the balanced offensive attack from the Tigers in the opener.  There's no doubt that a good mix of rushing and passing (and Trinity would seem to have skills at both) will keep the opponents honest on D.  Hope to see lots more of this as the season continues.

A special shout out to the TU O-line who were making the QB, backs and receivers look good with their fine protection and quick movement downfield.  Nobody rushes for more than 100 yards in college without ALOT of help.  And the D was looking pretty stout, too ... especially the first stringers.

Keep up the good work, Tigers.  Hope we get to see a game this week, Ike!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 10, 2008, 01:43:23 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 10, 2008, 07:17:02 AM
As a result of the predicted track and timing of Hurricane Ike, many, MANY high schools in South Texas have moved their Friday night games to Thursday.  It certainly seems possible that TU @ TLU might also be changed, but I have heard nothing from either school yet.  Will report here if I do learn anything official.

Tex, yes, I think we were all very pleased to see the balanced offensive attack from the Tigers in the opener.  There's no doubt that a good mix of rushing and passing (and Trinity would seem to have skills at both) will keep the opponents honest on D.  Hope to see lots more of this as the season continues.

A special shout out to the TU O-line who were making the QB, backs and receivers look good with their fine protection and quick movement downfield.  Nobody rushes for more than 100 yards in college without ALOT of help.  And the D was looking pretty stout, too ... especially the first stringers.

Keep up the good work, Tigers.  Hope we get to see a game this week, Ike!

TigerDad, we wish you guys well as you deal with the coming storm.  After Katrina, none of us would wish it on anybody!

Thanks for the summary of the Tiger O, but what about the Tiger D?  Were you surprised to give up 18 points to McM?

Looking forward to Nov. 1, though I doubt I'll get to make the trip.  Hopefully you guys used up all your "miracle mojo" last year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2008, 03:03:46 PM
Significant schedule change:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2008/09/10/Trinity-Texas+Lutheran+moved
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACCENTRE43 on September 10, 2008, 03:09:35 PM
Picks for the SCAC this week?  Here are my predictions:

Trinity
Depauw
Rhodes
Centre
W&L
Austin
Occidental
Millsaps

SCAC goes 6-2 this weekend out of conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2008, 03:31:11 PM
'43, there's a SCAC pick 'em board (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4796.msg934255#msg934255) in the General Football area  - the more the merrier!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 10, 2008, 04:46:16 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 10, 2008, 03:03:46 PM
Significant schedule change:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2008/09/10/Trinity-Texas+Lutheran+moved


I'm guessing the high school stadium in Seguin will be hosting a high school game on Thu, hence the move to TU.  Next years' game will now be in Seguin. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 10, 2008, 05:55:06 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on September 10, 2008, 01:43:23 PM
TigerDad, we wish you guys well as you deal with the coming storm.  After Katrina, none of us would wish it on anybody!

Thanks for the summary of the Tiger O, but what about the Tiger D?  Were you surprised to give up 18 points to McM?

Looking forward to Nov. 1, though I doubt I'll get to make the trip.  Hopefully you guys used up all your "miracle mojo" last year!

Thanks, Major Rev.  Storm track predictions are still uncertain, may miss some of us entirely ... we hope so.

In regards to the Tiger D, frankly, most of McMurry's damage came at the expense of Trinity's reserve defenders.  Many starters were shuttled in and out of the game in the second half to preserve health and give the backups some playing time.  Remember that it was 21-0 after the first quarter.  Trinity's Black Flag first line looked tough and gave very little ground.  But, hey, what else would you expect me to say?!

I daresay the Tigers still have a little "mojo" to go.  Like Starbucks, maybe? 
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 10, 2008, 07:48:42 PM
The latest computer prediction shows 105mph winds near Shiner, TX on Saturday around 1PM.  Hunker down good there Scott.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 10, 2008, 08:19:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2008, 03:31:11 PM
'43, there's a SCAC pick 'em board (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4796.msg934255#msg934255) in the General Football area  - the more the merrier!

And, as Trinity & TX Lutheran is being played Thursday night, please try to have your picks in by Thursday afternoon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 11, 2008, 12:11:44 PM
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/091108story.shtml

Preview of the Millsaps vs. Belhaven game this weekend, don't know anything about the Blazers this year, but do know we have never beaten them.  Good luck to everyone this weekend, looks like I may not have power to watch any games online this weekend, but hope the SCAC plays well!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2008, 12:13:31 PM
Good luck to you, ex ... where do you live?

Ike is going east more and more.  Houston and Galveston are not looking good right now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 11, 2008, 12:20:38 PM
Thanks Ron, born and raised in Houston and live on the West side of town now, staying put as I am not in a mandatory evacuation zone, but should be interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 11, 2008, 12:35:46 PM
Quote from: exmajor on September 11, 2008, 12:20:38 PM
Thanks Ron, born and raised in Houston and live on the West side of town now, staying put as I am not in a mandatory evacuation zone, but should be interesting.

My brother in law is in Katy and I'm in College Station.  I think I'm about to end up with a lot of family here at my house tomorrow.  My mom is down in Santa Fe, but she's on pretty high ground.  She is going to stay put.  I'm really working her to get the heck out of there.  we had Alicia come through the back yard in 83 and it wasn't a lot of fun. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 11, 2008, 03:32:31 PM
I'm bored this afternoon ... think I'll hop in the car and drive to San Antonio to see if anything's happening at E.M. Stevens Stadium at Trinity University.  I'll give y'all an IH-10 West traffic report late tonight when I return.  Hope to see lots of Bulldogs stalled by the side of the road ...

GO TIGERS.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 11, 2008, 04:55:10 PM
The Austin College/McMurry football game on Saturday has been moved up to 11 am in an effort to try to get it completed before Ike makes its way up to North Texas...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 11, 2008, 04:57:35 PM
yall b safe in that part of tejas

i left college station yesterday morning, and am on the road toward UCLA...hopefully i will miss musch of the rain/wind as i head east

south of where i am sitting now ... in new iberia, la.. the winds are pretty heavy... and this area is supposed to miss most of it

keep the faith....and again....b safe
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 11, 2008, 05:11:49 PM
Congratulations to Adam Hay (LB-Centre) and Michael Sims (DB-Millsaps) for making the TOW!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
QuoteFrom the Birmingham News college football preview...
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/08/panthers_rebuild_after_major_c.html

Any BCS fans...the above article painted a rather gloomy picture regarding losses to grades, etc....is it really that bad? I think I was among more than a few people who impressed with the team last year and the direction the program seemed to be headed. Perspective from 'Bama?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 08:31:14 PM

The first game notes of the year for the DPU Tigers...

http://depauw.edu/ath/Football/2008/notes/anderson.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 11, 2008, 08:43:39 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
QuoteFrom the Birmingham News college football preview...
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/08/panthers_rebuild_after_major_c.html

Any BCS fans...the above article painted a rather gloomy picture regarding losses to grades, etc....is it really that bad? I think I was among more than a few people who impressed with the team last year and the direction the program seemed to be headed. Perspective from 'Bama?


Sounds like the players that were lost didn't really belong there or understand what they were getting into, that B-S College isn't just another Alabama football factory.  Attrition will probably always be an issue, especially if they develop into a decent program.  I'm guessing DePauw's roster is freshmen-heavy each year (as is Wabash's roster), and a high percentage don't play beyond that first year, because they aren't playing, and probably won't be playing anytime soon.  Sounds like they are dealing with issues we've been dealing with for years - it's just newer to them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2008, 08:47:45 PM
Great job by PAWS on the video stream for TLU-TU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 11, 2008, 08:52:02 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 08:31:14 PM

The first game notes of the year for the DPU Tigers...

http://depauw.edu/ath/Football/2008/notes/anderson.pdf

Interesting that McNelis is the only 3-year letterman on the two-deep - maybe that's normal, but it stood out to me.

Not sure if Anderson will be a good gauge of this, but with Mulligan, Gasbarra and Koors all back, I would expect DePauw to air it out this year, especially with an inexperienced running attack. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 08:54:23 PM
QuoteSounds like the players that were lost didn't really belong there or understand what they were getting into, that B-S College isn't just another Alabama football factory.  Attrition will probably always be an issue, especially if they develop into a decent program.  I'm guessing DePauw's roster is freshmen-heavy each year (as is Wabash's roster), and a high percentage don't play beyond that first year, because they aren't playing, and probably won't be playing anytime soon.  Sounds like they are dealing with issues we've been dealing with for years - it's just newer to them.

Yep...pretty good take. I think in BCS' case they had some "freshmen" or newcomers who, in football crazy Alabama, were much more focused on football and less so on the academic side of the equation. I'm sure BCS will get there..perhaps it will just take a bit longer than some of us thought after last season...

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: oldmoose on September 11, 2008, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
QuoteFrom the Birmingham News college football preview...
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/08/panthers_rebuild_after_major_c.html

Any BCS fans...the above article painted a rather gloomy picture regarding losses to grades, etc....is it really that bad? I think I was among more than a few people who impressed with the team last year and the direction the program seemed to be headed. Perspective from 'Bama?


The article sums up the situation pretty well.  My son told us during last season that about 80% (exaggeration maybe?) of the team was on mandatory study hall due to grades.  As the article states, many kids jumped at an opportunity to play college ball and had no clue what the academic demands would be.  Many players I recall getting a lot of PT last season are no longer on the roster.  I have no idea how many of those are still in school at BSC and just no longer playing football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 09:04:30 PM
QuoteInteresting that McNelis is the only 3-year letterman on the two-deep - maybe that's normal, but it stood out to me.

Not sure if Anderson will be a good gauge of this, but with Mulligan, Gasbarra and Koors all back, I would expect DePauw to air it out this year, especially with an inexperienced running attack.  

They do have a nice group back...and a couple of new talented receviers to add to the mix as well. But I would defintely not look for Depauw to abandoned the running attack. Karazsia, Ellis and Harrington are young, hard runners who will be behind an experienced O-line...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 09:07:55 PM
One other fun thing to watch for those at DPU games...#25 Wrona, DB from Pennsylvania. On special teams the guy is crazy. One of those gutys you don't have to see hit somebody...you HEAR it. he threw his body into someone at the Franklin scrimmage and it reminded me of last season...time after time, the guy really smashes people...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 09:28:09 PM

A DePauw football piece in today's Greencastle Banner Graphic...

http://www.bannergraphic.com/story/1460176.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2008, 09:50:12 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on September 11, 2008, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
QuoteFrom the Birmingham News college football preview...
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/08/panthers_rebuild_after_major_c.html

Any BCS fans...the above article painted a rather gloomy picture regarding losses to grades, etc....is it really that bad? I think I was among more than a few people who impressed with the team last year and the direction the program seemed to be headed. Perspective from 'Bama?


The article sums up the situation pretty well.  My son told us during last season that about 80% (exaggeration maybe?) of the team was on mandatory study hall due to grades.  As the article states, many kids jumped at an opportunity to play college ball and had no clue what the academic demands would be.  Many players I recall getting a lot of PT last season are no longer on the roster.  I have no idea how many of those are still in school at BSC and just no longer playing football.

If I read this correctly, I'm a bit surprised that a school with B-SC's academic reputation allowed players who (apparently) could not meet the usual academic requirements to enter into the school in the first place.  Part of that may be due to the transition from D1 to D3, we all know that many D1 scholarship players are admitted strictly due to their ability to run a football or shoot a jumper. 

Whatever the case, it seems that B-SC is figuring things out and they'll get there - it just won't be as quickly as we all thought when we saw 120+ kids on the roster last year.  Those facilities combined with the school's reputation and location are going to be attractive to a lot of prospective student-athletes. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 11, 2008, 10:28:08 PM
I agree.  BSC will figure it out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 11, 2008, 11:23:07 PM
Trinity pitched a shutout tonight - 24-0 over Texas Lutheran.  The short week apparently didn't hurt your defense any!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 12, 2008, 12:12:10 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 09:04:30 PM
QuoteInteresting that McNelis is the only 3-year letterman on the two-deep - maybe that's normal, but it stood out to me.

Not sure if Anderson will be a good gauge of this, but with Mulligan, Gasbarra and Koors all back, I would expect DePauw to air it out this year, especially with an inexperienced running attack.  

They do have a nice group back...and a couple of new talented receviers to add to the mix as well. But I would defintely not look for Depauw to abandoned the running attack. Karazsia, Ellis and Harrington are young, hard runners who will be behind an experienced O-line...

Have heard very good things about the two frosh backs for the Tigers from sources who have seen them play. And it will help that they'll be running behind arguably one of the best offensive lines around. Gotta love having four starters back, and being able to replace the starter lost with a guy who was a starter in 06 before getting hurt and missing all of 07 (Akinbola).

Three sophomore LBs listed as starters is a little curious, but it appears that TC Collins must be hurt otherwise he'd be a returning starter at MLB.

This will be my first year following the Tigers from afar. It will be strange. But I'm excited for the team this year - they've got a lot of talent, arguably more than last year even with the loss of Marks, and a chance to make some real noise.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACCENTRE43 on September 12, 2008, 09:30:00 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2008, 09:50:12 PM
Quote from: oldmoose on September 11, 2008, 08:59:04 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
QuoteFrom the Birmingham News college football preview...
http://blog.al.com/bn/2008/08/panthers_rebuild_after_major_c.html

Any BCS fans...the above article painted a rather gloomy picture regarding losses to grades, etc....is it really that bad? I think I was among more than a few people who impressed with the team last year and the direction the program seemed to be headed. Perspective from 'Bama?


The article sums up the situation pretty well.  My son told us during last season that about 80% (exaggeration maybe?) of the team was on mandatory study hall due to grades.  As the article states, many kids jumped at an opportunity to play college ball and had no clue what the academic demands would be.  Many players I recall getting a lot of PT last season are no longer on the roster.  I have no idea how many of those are still in school at BSC and just no longer playing football.

If I read this correctly, I'm a bit surprised that a school with B-SC's academic reputation allowed players who (apparently) could not meet the usual academic requirements to enter into the school in the first place.  Part of that may be due to the transition from D1 to D3, we all know that many D1 scholarship players are admitted strictly due to their ability to run a football or shoot a jumper. 

Whatever the case, it seems that B-SC is figuring things out and they'll get there - it just won't be as quickly as we all thought when we saw 120+ kids on the roster last year.  Those facilities combined with the school's reputation and location are going to be attractive to a lot of prospective student-athletes. 


Based on what I've heard about B-SC committment to creating a nationally competetive program I have little doubt they'll do just that.  When administrations' make football a priority it usually means the finances and other resources are there, and that's what I see at B-SC.

Many teams in D-III, especially the very competetive ones, recruit anywhere from 50-100 freshmen every year.  Most coaches will tell you if they graduate 20 seniors they consider that a success, so you can do the math on that, a lot of guys get lost a long the way.  Why is this the case?  Because it's not easy, it's not glamorous, and no scholarship is helping you through school.  These kids pay, often times big amounts, to continue their football careers, and many just don't make it for four years.

This is not always the case.  I know Centre tries to target their recruiting pool and looks to bring in around 30-40 freshmen every year.  Their retention is usually good so they don't have to bring in quite as many.  I think my Freshmen class was 36 to start, and we graduated 25 of those guys.  This is the exception, not the rule, in D-3 football, although it may be more common in the SCAC since most of the schools are top academic institutions.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 12, 2008, 06:16:46 PM
Good game last night.  Lots of fun for those of us that were there in attendance  TU rushes for more than they pass once again.  Gotta love it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 13, 2008, 12:10:09 AM
Tex ... gotta agree with you, of course!   ;D

Hope you and everyone in College Station are safe tonight as Hurricane Ike heads toward you ... let us know how you fared when you're able.  Our prayers are with everyone in Galveston, Houston and East Texas.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 13, 2008, 12:52:31 AM
My mom, tough stubborn old goat that she is, is hunkering down in Santa Fe, TX.  We rode out Alicia there in 83.  She should be fine as long as they're able to dodge any tornados.  She refused to come up to CS.  They are predicting Cat 1 winds in College Station in the morning.  Nothing but some gusts here and there as of midnight.

I hope  I don't have to go down looking for her tomorrow afternoon.

Now for the really bad news.  We have a beach house down on the extreme west end of Galveston (near San Luis Pass).  I'm thinking it might be completely gone right now. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: YuccaRoot on September 13, 2008, 08:10:44 AM
There are some very strong winds in College Station this morning...seem to be Tropical Storm strength.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACCENTRE43 on September 13, 2008, 01:31:18 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 13, 2008, 12:52:31 AM
My mom, tough stubborn old goat that she is, is hunkering down in Santa Fe, TX.  We rode out Alicia there in 83.  She should be fine as long as they're able to dodge any tornados.  She refused to come up to CS.  They are predicting Cat 1 winds in College Station in the morning.  Nothing but some gusts here and there as of midnight.

I hope  I don't have to go down looking for her tomorrow afternoon.

Now for the really bad news.  We have a beach house down on the extreme west end of Galveston (near San Luis Pass).  I'm thinking it might be completely gone right now. 

Good luck Tex.  Keeping all those folks in TX in my prayers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2008, 01:53:45 PM
DPU just scored on a 49-yard strike from Spud Dick to Alex Coors to tie Anderson at 10 with 8:02 to play in the first half ... then blocks an Anderson punt attempt, Chris Gasbarra recovers and returns it for six to take their first lead of the game 17-10.

Maryville (TN) takes a 7-0 lead over Centre on a short TD pass, 0:36 to play in the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 13, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
Wes must have let Coach Walker know that in order to win Pick 'ems this week, he really needed DePauw to start scoring some points!  Apparently they got the message!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2008, 02:09:32 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 13, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
Wes must have let Coach Walker know that in order to win Pick 'ems this week, he really needed DePauw to start scoring some points!  Apparently they got the message!

And the beat (down?) goes on ... Spud Dick passes to Bryan Mulligan for 24 yds and DPU now leads 24-10, 3:29 left in the half.

And speaking of beatdowns I just clicked the Colorado College live stats link - they still have the season-ending 68-6 drubbing by Millsaps on that page.   Ouch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2008, 02:24:19 PM
Depauw turns back an Anderson threat with two consecutive sacks, gets the ball back on their 30 with less than a minute remaining in the half, Dick completes 6 of 7 passes in 49 seconds to get the Tigers back in the end zone before the end of the half.  31-10 DPU at halftime. 

Centre still trails 7-0 and is having a great deal of difficulty doing anything on the offensive side of the ball.

Austin has rallied to tie their game with McMurry at 14 late in the fourth quarter .. they're in OT as the Indians missed a 29-yd FGA as time expired.  AC wins the toss and elects to go on defense, McMurry will have the wind.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2008, 02:40:21 PM
1st OT:
McMurry:  false start, 3yd run, pass inc, pass inc, pass inc, AC ball on McM 25.
AC:  9 yd gain, fumble, on to 2nd OT.  McM announcers say the fumble call was questionable. 

2nd OT:
AC:  19-yd run (1st down), 4 yd run, 2 yd run, touchdown, PAT good, 21-14 AC.
McMurry:   run no gain, pass inc, time out McM, 12-yd pass, first down, run no gain, 3yd pass, pass inc, pass inc, Austin College wins
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2008, 03:19:13 PM
Doesn't look like the thin air is impacting CC's current opponent any more than it did Millsaps.  Occidental is up 14-0 midway through the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 13, 2008, 03:24:01 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 13, 2008, 02:05:41 PM
Wes must have let Coach Walker know that in order to win Pick 'ems this week, he really needed DePauw to start scoring some points!  Apparently they got the message!

Must have gotten my text that I sent after the first quarter.  I was none too pleased.   ;D

Spud's having a great day.  Defense is playing well after those first couple of series.  Seems to be going fairly well.  I'm satisfied.  4 turnovers isn't great, though.  Still, good to get those first game jitters out of the way. 

Also, hope everybody's making it out of Ike OK.  Got to work and saw some of the video coming down from network.  Pretty nasty stuff.

Just scored again as I was typing that.  Ellis went in from 2 yds out.   45-10 - which makes them cover!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 13, 2008, 03:47:06 PM
Not so fast!!

Anderson TD makes it 45-17 in the 4th.

But wait - DePauw answers - 52-17.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 13, 2008, 03:54:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2008, 02:40:21 PM
1st OT:
McMurry:  false start, 3yd run, pass inc, pass inc, pass inc, AC ball on McM 25.
AC:  9 yd gain, fumble, on to 2nd OT.  McM announcers say the fumble call was questionable. 

2nd OT:
AC:  19-yd run (1st down), 4 yd run, 2 yd run, touchdown, PAT good, 21-14 AC.
McMurry:   run no gain, pass inc, time out McM, 12-yd pass, first down, run no gain, 3yd pass, pass inc, pass inc, Austin College wins

Ron - the fumble call was definitely questionable, to the point where I'd say it was an awful call.  It was pretty clear to everyone in the stadium that the ground forced the fumble after the play was pretty much dead.  It doesn't matter in the end, as AC gets the big win in pretty crappy conditions.  Game ball has to go to Zach Mamot, who scored to tie things up at 14 and cap off a 20 play, 98 yard drive (finished with a pretty awesome leap into the endzone), and who carried it all three times in the second overtime and scored from two yards out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 13, 2008, 04:12:40 PM
It's final - DePauw 52, Anderson 17.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 13, 2008, 04:25:08 PM
Oxy rolling Colorado 34-0 at half.

Live stats STILL have the Millsaps final, which Oxy is exactly halfway to reaching.  Perhaps it's an omen.

Also, really enjoying the Sewanee video/audio crew.  Doing a fine job.  They tell me W & L is up 17-6 in the 4th.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2008, 09:23:11 PM
Millsaps is beating Belhaven by 7 at the half.  My buffering cut out the score when the announcer gave it
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 13, 2008, 09:24:52 PM
Some more finals...

Maryville 20
Centre 17

Wash & Lee 24
Sewanee 12

Occidental 41
Colorado College 0 (ouch!)

Rhodes @ Louisiana College ----- postponed


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2008, 10:10:08 PM
Millsaps 14, Belhaven 14 3:50 3Q.

Millsaps to receive the KO.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 13, 2008, 10:18:29 PM
What's up with how much that streaming video has to buffer to play back?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2008, 10:28:41 PM
Millsaps 20 Belhaven 14; 11:00 4Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2008, 10:38:53 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2008, 10:28:41 PM
Millsaps 20 Belhaven 14; 11:00 4Q.
Saps' 27, Belhaven 14; 9:00 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on September 13, 2008, 11:21:50 PM
SAPS Wins first Riverside Rumble, 34 to 14! Congrats to the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on September 14, 2008, 12:15:23 AM
Apologies all around for the frustrating Millsaps webcast.  Belhaven didn't have an internet connection so we had to purchase a wireless card that did us no good.  I got several frustrating emails from parents... but hey, it's our first year doing this and it's free!  We'll get everything together before next week.  In an ugly game, Millsaps wins it 34-14 and improves to 2-0 for the first time since 1996.  William Lawrimore sets a new Millsaps record with a 77 yard punt late in the game.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-02.HTM
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2008, 12:26:08 AM
Quote from: Major_Fan on September 14, 2008, 12:15:23 AM
Apologies all around for the frustrating Millsaps webcast.  Belhaven didn't have an internet connection so we had to purchase a wireless card that did us no good.  I got several frustrating emails from parents... but hey, it's our first year doing this and it's free!  We'll get everything together before next week.  In an ugly game, Millsaps wins it 34-14 and improves to 2-0 for the first time since 1996.  William Lawrimore sets a new Millsaps record with a 77 yard punt late in the game.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-02.HTM
I have given you one karma as partial compensation for the purchase of the wireless card.   Thank you!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 14, 2008, 12:27:26 AM
Just returned from the Millsaps game - heard that there were difficulties with the broadcast all night ...

The Millsaps offense showed some versatility tonight, turning to the run against a good NAIA opponent.  I think the stats will surprise a lot of people as I'm guessing that Juan Joseph went over 50 yards on the ground, mostly running the option.  Belhaven was generating a good pass rush and hanging their hopes on good one-on-one coverage most of the night, resulting in a frustrating night for Joseph through the air, particularly in the first half.  But the Majors were able to run effectively enough (Huff, Metzher, & co.) to move the sticks and offer Joseph the chance to find open receivers at key points, particularly with the deep ball.  While his pass efficiency may suffer from this night, his yardage will still be there as well as his TD-INT ratio.

Belhaven was able to move the ball some in the first half, but the Millsaps adjustments slowed down the Belhaven momentum in the second half, particularly the final quarter.  The HUGE momentum shift came as Millsaps punter Will Larrimore, kicking from his own 21, hit a thundering 77-yard punt that went 60 yards in the air, rolled inside the Belhaven 5, was fielded by Belhaven, but covered immediately by Millsaps coverage.  On its first play, Belhaven fumbled with Millsaps recovering at the 4.   After an incomplete pass on first down, Millsaps' Schuyler Huff ran the ball in putting the Majors up 27-14 at that point.  Belhaven did not mount another significant threat.  Millsaps added an insurance TD late.

The Millsaps D played well on this night, particularly after the loss of safety Jacob Hanberry (early injury - should return next week) and DL Denarold Anderson (ejection).  Belhaven had real difficulty running the ball, and with the exception of a couple of missed assignments, the Millsaps defensive backfield played very well, defending a number of passes, picking a couple, and just missing on several other chances.  The D-line once again gave good pressure as well as good containment.

Unfortunately this was a pretty sloppy game - lots of penalties, some lack of poise and discipline, some interesting officiating.  The Belhaven defense was a definite challenge for the new offensive coaching staff who showed good flexibility in doing what they needed to do.  I'm sure they will benefit from analysis of the game.

Put the W in the win column, and we'll get ready for Austin College.  Congratulations to them on an exciting win over McMurry!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2008, 12:30:47 AM
I just wish the Northwest Texas-New Mexico Conference Methodists could have smitten the "Sherman area" presbytery as well as the Mississippi Conference Methodists smote the "Jackson-area" presbytery!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 14, 2008, 12:37:55 AM
Ralph, if karma was mine to give ... +1 for the denominational lesson!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 14, 2008, 12:43:12 AM
TE4SAPS80, welcome to the SCAC board!  We'll look forward to hearing more from you.  BTW, I think this was the 4th Riverside Rumble, the first three coming 2003-2005 maybe?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 14, 2008, 02:29:44 AM
Major Rev....I think that TE4SAPS80 meant that it was the first time that Millsaps has won the Riverside Rumble.  This was the 4th time the two teams have played.

I tried to watch the buffering broadcast before it got too annoying.  Looked like the Majors were able to make appropriate adjustments when necessary to get a win.  This should help them later in the year in conference play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 14, 2008, 10:25:51 AM
Millsaps won by 20 against a team that is now 0-3 on a night when Juan Joseph's stats seemed to indicate a sub-par night.  When looking at this game on paper, it comes across as a rather ho-hum tuneup for the start of the SCAC season.

From my viewpoint in the stands, it looked like something totally different.  Belhaven appeared to be the biggest and most physically talented team that I've seen Millsaps play in recent years, somewhat like when one of the Wisconsin D3 teams came to Jackson in about 2001.  I'm not saying that this makes them the best team that Millsaps has played, but I have no doubt that Belhaven would be considered a pre-season co-favorite for the championship if they were playing in the SCAC.  This game could have gone either way and the outcome was definitely in doubt until Millsaps scored the last of their 20 unanswered points in the final 17 minutes of the game.  This was a very good win for Millsaps against a difficult opponent.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACCENTRE43 on September 14, 2008, 11:17:27 AM
Congrats to all the SCAC teams that managed wins this past weekend.  Centre's heartbreaking loss to Maryville came on a last second field goal, great win for the Scots.  Sounds like Centre's offense had trouble getting going until late in the 2nd half.  If you're going to lose a game it's always better for it to be non-conference, but the Colonels will need to have a great week of preparation for DePauw, who incidentally looks solid as always. 

Like I said before the season, the offense is always an x-factor for the Colonels.  Hopefully, they can get it going!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 14, 2008, 06:15:42 PM
So noted, consultant.  My apologies, TE4SAPS80!  No slight intended.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 14, 2008, 06:43:50 PM
Anyone able to get anything from the Rhodes-LA College game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: laz on September 14, 2008, 07:33:04 PM
Louisian College 14, Rhodes 3 from the LC website.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 14, 2008, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: laz on September 14, 2008, 07:33:04 PM
Louisian College 14, Rhodes 3 from the LC website.

QuotePINEVILLE, La. – In a defensive struggle on a field that resembled a swamp more than a football field, Louisiana College came away with a 14-3, non-conference victory, over Rhodes College Sunday afternoon. The LC defense held Rhodes to 87 yards, which is the lowest total for an LC defense in the modern era. The win improves LC to 2-0, while Rhodes falls to 0-1. The Wildcats open American Southwest Conference play next Saturday, hosting Hardin-Simmons in a 6 p.m. contest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on September 15, 2008, 01:07:54 AM
Just a little info on the new D3.com polls, Trinity #21 and Millsaps #22.  Congrats to both teams, and I wish everyone in the SCAC the best as we kickoff into the bulk of interconference play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2008, 11:09:16 AM
The "Google Ad" that appears on the banner at this minute is to get your degree online at Belhaven College!   :D

IMHO, Belhaven should have moved to D-III a decade ago!  They would have made a great travel partner for MissColl and we could move LaCollege over to ETBU!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 15, 2008, 12:22:15 PM
Agreed, Ralph, though I think there are real differences between Belhaven and Millsaps (academic standing) and between Belhaven and Mississippi College (size).  (Now, now ... don't anyone take offense!)

IMHO, the SCAC leadership would be reluctant to take in Belhaven, given the recent history of who they have accepted and rejected.  Where would Belhaven best fit into a conference? 

And the status of the D3 moratorium makes this a moot point for how long?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2008, 12:47:32 PM
For those looking for something to read early in the week, here is Hendrix College's blog on adding football (http://www.hendrix.edu/footballblog).  Interesting to read some of the replies where some posters are still convinced that football is going to destroy Hendrix As We Knew It ... 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 15, 2008, 02:08:10 PM
Ron

i read all the replies...... ' i enrolled my son because there was no football'....ok... i would have thought that these folks were well healed elitist that would embrace diversity.... and if u ain't got football...and u add it... u R becoming mo' diverse.... uh... i would of thought

interesting read....

thanks and keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 15, 2008, 03:52:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2008, 12:47:32 PM
For those looking for something to read early in the week, here is Hendrix College's blog on adding football (http://www.hendrix.edu/footballblog).  Interesting to read some of the replies where some posters are still convinced that football is going to destroy Hendrix As We Knew It ... 

Great stuff, especially the comment from one guy that having a football team wouldn't necessarily mean bringing in dumb jocks or Greek life or anything like that.  Not the dreaded Greek life!!!  The mom who liked Hendrix because they didn't have football was priceless, too.

Question - how many prospective students are they losing because they don't have football?  Not only was that one of the better parts of the college experience as a student, it's one of the main parts that keeps us connected as alumni. 

Of course, if Hendrix were all-male, and they wanted to go co-ed, that would be totally different!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 15, 2008, 04:18:15 PM
They might take notes on the BSC experience - immediate influx of students interested in playing football (sure, that dropped, but live and learn, eh?) and a rallying point for many students.  I know one of their students VERY well, and she says that college without football was 'weird' for her.  I'll have to see what it's like after they get to play a couple of home games on campus later this season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on September 15, 2008, 09:14:12 PM
I would think hendrix would clean up in the state of arkansas being the only d3 school. Also, saw where berry college is going d3, think they would also really clean up in georgia to get d3 football players...they would make a nice addition to the scac if an opening happened but don't really see an opening unless OU dropped out or if depauw ever got an invite to the ncac...going to 14 might work but that's kinda big.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 15, 2008, 09:45:15 PM
crush

i thought there was a moritorium on accepting new members into D-3

r u sure berry is making that move...or just exporing the move

there r several other D-3's in Ga... La Grange, Piedmont, Oglethorpe... and a few more... la grange the only one with footbal...presently

berry is a beautiful campus with an excellent baseball facility...oddly they have an ag school... which is not common amongst private institutions

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2008, 10:00:03 PM
Berry is in their exploratory year.  I bet they join.

The moratorium has been lifted.

MissColl is one of the larger schools in the ASC, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 16, 2008, 08:42:32 AM
Millsaps edged Belhaven 23-20 in a JV game Monday afternoon.  Naturally the score for both teams was less important than getting some experience for guys who won't see much varsity time this season. 

I believe I'm correct that last year was the first time Millsaps had played a JV schedule.  It's amazing to see more players dressed out for a JV game than the number of players who were dressed out for a Millsaps varsity game just a handful of years ago.  It's hard to believe that in 2003, a year when I travelled to every game, there was a very real possibility that Millsaps wasn't going to have enough players to finish out the schedule.  That was the year that the head coach decided to practice at 6 AM instead of in the afternoon and they ended the season with about 30 players--and many of those were ready to quit but they didn't want to abandon their teammates.  The change in the last 5 years has been like the difference between midnight and noon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 16, 2008, 10:21:47 AM
Tiger QB is SCAC Offensive Player of the Week...

http://depauw.edu/ath/football/index.asp?id=22109
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 16, 2008, 10:24:42 AM
QuoteLike I said before the season, the offense is always an x-factor for the Colonels.  Hopefully, they can get it going!

Did you guys go to the spread? How's the D looking? I'm looking forward to a good ballgame in Danville this weekend...sounds like the weather will be good...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 16, 2008, 11:45:02 AM
Well, nice win for the Majors this past weekend, was not able to see or hear any of it, though sounds like I did not miss much on the webcast.  I am back in the office today, but not complaining because there is power and A.C. here.  We still don't have power at home and thank God for the cool front this weekend!  Now if you guys can send some gas our way, I should be good to go this week.  Houston is still a mess, but at least I can escape to football now!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 16, 2008, 02:20:15 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 16, 2008, 10:24:42 AM
Did you guys go to the spread?

I think that's a very interesting note, by the way.  That funky single-wing-whatever-it-was that they ran wasn't the most efficient thing I've ever seen, but I think it worked because it wasn't the spread.  It's something different than every other team in the conference.  It's something entirely different that a defense has to work on for the full week to be ready for. 

Sure, I think it'll help them recruit more easily in the long run, particularly at the skill positions, but now, everybody's got the scout on them, generally speaking.  It's the same scout as every other offense not named DePauw and Austin.  Yes, there are intricacies that make their spread different than the Sewanee spread, the Colorado spread, the Rhodes spread or the Trinity spread, but for the sake of calling a spade a spade, it's the same.  I'd think of that as a negative, but if Coach Frye can get some guys in there with a little speed on the outside, it may work out in the long run.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 16, 2008, 03:14:38 PM
QuoteI think that's a very interesting note, by the way.  That funky single-wing-whatever-it-was that they ran wasn't the most efficient thing I've ever seen, but I think it worked because it wasn't the spread.

Not sure how they did the rest of the year, but it sure didn't work against DePauw last season. Heard they were spreading things out a bit this year... 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 17, 2008, 02:38:21 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 16, 2008, 03:14:38 PM
Not sure how they did the rest of the year, but it sure didn't work against DePauw last season. Heard they were spreading things out a bit this year... 

That may true, but they sure did score 28 in 2006 and won. 26 in 2004 in a loss.  34 in 2003 in a win.  Yes, there was also a 7 and a 14 in there.  But, still... I can tell you DePauw has occassionally struggled with that offense in past years.

Anywho, yes, they're running the spread now.  I just think it's an interesting change, that's all. 

I'll also say this game scares me.  Centre is better this year.  It's also always tough to win in Dnaville.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2008, 03:34:23 PM
QuoteI'll also say this game scares me.  Centre is better this year.  It's also always tough to win in Dnaville.

Ditto.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2008, 04:41:02 PM

Tiger D-tackle named to d3.com Team of the Week...

http://www.d3football.com/tow/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on September 17, 2008, 07:31:32 PM
Millsaps Punter Lawrimore named to D3 TOW
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 17, 2008, 09:15:40 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2008, 03:34:23 PM
QuoteI'll also say this game scares me.  Centre is better this year.  It's also always tough to win in Dnaville.

Ditto.

Stop it!  Unless DePauw is worse this year (which I don't believe to be the case), this shouldn't be close.  If you want to compete for an SCAC championship, you have to beat the Centres of the world, wherever the game is.  However, spotting them 10 points like you did Anderson may not be such a good idea on the road.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 17, 2008, 09:42:54 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on September 17, 2008, 07:31:32 PM
Millsaps Punter Lawrimore named to D3 TOW

A well deserved honor for William Lawrimore.  He had a 48.3 yd/punt average on 7 punts which was basically his net yardage since Belhaven returned 3 punts for a total of 4 yards. 

In the 4th quarter of this game, Millsaps was holding on to a 20-14 lead, facing 4th and 18 from their own 13 yard line.  It looked like Belhaven would get the ball back with a short field when Lawrimore booted a school record 77-yard punt that totally changed the game.  Belhaven fumbled on their first play from scrimmage and Millsaps only needed to drive 4 yards to score and finally get some breathing room in this game.  Without a doubt, that punt was one of the key plays of the game if not the key play.  Personally, I consider it the biggest play of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 18, 2008, 01:00:12 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 17, 2008, 09:15:40 PM
Stop it!  Unless DePauw is worse this year (which I don't believe to be the case), this shouldn't be close.  If you want to compete for an SCAC championship, you have to beat the Centres of the world, wherever the game is. 

That's a fair point.  But, I'm telling you, they're better this year.  And I can't explain why it's such a tough place to play.  It just is.  It's a mystery.  Like going up on the mountain to Sewanee used to be years ago.  Except that was probably more to do with the pregame meal at Jim Oliver's Smokehouse Lodge & Restaurant than anything else.   :D

DePauw gets to 21 on Adam Hay & the Colonel D and they win.  Heck, if the Fightin' Scots of Murvuhl can do it, I guess the Old Gold can.  You've talked me into it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2008, 09:55:47 AM
Centre can rise up and surprise teams at home.  They did manage to defeat Trinity during the halcyon years (in 2000, a team which lost by three in the regional finals) and came within a TD the last time they played there.    Let's not forget the Mrvl loss was on the road, and after a pretty miserable first half the Colonels made a game of it.

I don't think they beat DePauw, either, but you have to respect Centre at home. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 18, 2008, 11:38:26 AM
QuoteI don't think they beat DePauw, either, but you have to respect Centre at home.

...well stated.

MacCentre43, any scouting report?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on September 18, 2008, 12:06:28 PM
Just received word that MS College starting QB Adam Shaffer has suffered another season-ending injury.  That's two tough injuries in three years.  My thoughts and prayers go out to him, his family and his teammates.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 20, 2008, 03:19:36 PM
Millsaps is rolling this afternoon in Jackson.  The Majors lead Austin College 31-0 at halftime.  The Millsaps' offense has played very well, while the Majors' defense caused a couple of turnovers that have resulted in points for the home team. 

Austin College has not been able to move the football.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 20, 2008, 03:34:51 PM
Just got word from Danville - DePauw's up 27-14 with about 7 left in the third.  Alex Koors is going bananas, apparently.  Over 180 receiving yards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on September 20, 2008, 04:27:09 PM
Final from Danville: DPU 27, Centre 14. Alex Koors ends up with 220 yards and 2 TDs on 8 catches. Tigers force five turnovers. Spud Dick throws for 313 yards, Jon Ellis rushes for 127.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on September 20, 2008, 04:29:09 PM
Final Score from Jackson:  Millsaps 41  Austin College 7.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 20, 2008, 04:29:15 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on September 20, 2008, 04:27:09 PM
Alex Koors ends up with 220 yards and 2 TDs on 8 catches.

Probably don't even need to fill out your SCAC POTW ballot, I reckon.  

Quote from: consultant on September 20, 2008, 04:29:09 PM
Final Score from Jackson:  Millsaps 41  Austin College 7.

Nice spread, cpa!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2008, 05:00:34 PM
@ Sewanee 19, Colorado College 0 per CC's web site
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 20, 2008, 06:29:05 PM
Millsaps vs. Austin stats:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-03.HTM
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 20, 2008, 07:10:17 PM
Koors' 220 yards receiving is the second-most by a SCAC receiver in the current era (1991-present), trailing only Canaan Factor of Trinity who had 237 yards receiving against McMurry on 9/12/98.

It is the most yards receiving in a single game by a SCAC receiver in the SCAC era in a conference game.

In another milestone achievement, Sewanee's shutout of Colorado is the team's first shutout since 9/22/01 @ Maryville (13-0). It is Sewanee's first home shutout since 9/27/97 when the Tigers won 31-0 against Maryville. It is Sewanee's first conference shutout since 10/18/80 - a 17-0 win at Principia. And finally, it is Sewanee's first home conference shutout since 9/13/75 - a 42-0 blanking of Principia.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 20, 2008, 07:13:49 PM
Also,

Sewanee had seven interceptions today against Colorado - tying the SCAC single-game team record set by Rose-Hulman against Southwestern-Tenn. (Rhodes) on 11/13/76.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 20, 2008, 10:42:45 PM
DePauw also owns a share of that team interception record..they had 7 against Centre last season.

http://www.scac-online.org/football2007/CENDU.HTM (http://www.scac-online.org/football2007/CENDU.HTM)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 21, 2008, 03:31:24 PM
Dang, 220 yards receiving is one very very good day.  Congrats to that young man (and the QB and O-line that helped make it happen)!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2008, 09:00:51 PM
Tu fans, the Top 25 is out (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2008/week-3).


TU is getting the float up.  As early season pretenders are eliminated on the field, the remaining programs are now beginning to solidify their positions.

Week |Pre |1 |2 |3|
Pos |20 |22 |21 |21
Votes |131 |125 |125 |156|
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on September 21, 2008, 09:11:04 PM
Millsaps is also consistently winning over voters

Pre - RV (61)
Week 1 - 24th (98)
Week 2 - 22nd (123)
Week 3 - 19th (185)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 21, 2008, 09:42:50 PM
Quote from: Chronological Order on September 21, 2008, 09:11:04 PM
Millsaps is also consistently winning over voters

Pre - RV (61)
Week 1 - 24th (98)
Week 2 - 22nd (123)
Week 3 - 19th (185)

Apparently DePauw isn't - not even one vote?  This surprises me, especially coming off an 8-2 year and a 2-0 start this year.  Too good of a team not to be getting any votes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2008, 09:55:21 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 21, 2008, 09:42:50 PM
Quote from: Chronological Order on September 21, 2008, 09:11:04 PM
Millsaps is also consistently winning over voters

Pre - RV (61)
Week 1 - 24th (98)
Week 2 - 22nd (123)
Week 3 - 19th (185)

Apparently DePauw isn't - not even one vote?  This surprises me, especially coming off an 8-2 year and a 2-0 start this year.  Too good of a team not to be getting any votes.
Respectfully, DPU doesn't have a signature win, yet.   :)

There are three "signature wins" on the schedule, Millsaps, Trinity and Wabash.

We saw Willamette vault into the Top 25 at 3-0 and with a win over a Southern Oregon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 21, 2008, 10:04:20 PM
Agreed. Centre and Anderson (Anderson especially) do nothing to make this voter drop someone off his ballot.

The teams I made new room for this week was Concordia-Moorhead and Willamette.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 21, 2008, 10:25:27 PM
I wouldn't put DPU in my Top 25 yet, either.  My vote and a dollar won't get you much more than a Sunday paper, though.  Maybe if they play Millsaps tough in a couple weeks, I'll think about it. 

cpa, I think you're giving DPU an awful lot of credit.  I don't know yet if they're the same team that beat #9 Wabash a year ago or not.  We'll find out in Jackson in a fortnight.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2008, 11:05:12 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 21, 2008, 10:25:27 PM
I wouldn't put DPU in my Top 25 yet, either.  My vote and a dollar won't get you much more than a Sunday paper, though.  Maybe if they play Millsaps tough in a couple weeks, I'll think about it. 

cpa, I think you're giving DPU an awful lot of credit.  I don't know yet if they're the same team that beat #9 Wabash a year ago or not.  We'll find out in Jackson in a fortnight.
Yep, sounds like psychological warfare to me!    :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 22, 2008, 09:46:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2008, 11:05:12 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 21, 2008, 10:25:27 PM
I wouldn't put DPU in my Top 25 yet, either.  My vote and a dollar won't get you much more than a Sunday paper, though.  Maybe if they play Millsaps tough in a couple weeks, I'll think about it. 

cpa, I think you're giving DPU an awful lot of credit.  I don't know yet if they're the same team that beat #9 Wabash a year ago or not.  We'll find out in Jackson in a fortnight.
Yep, sounds like psychological warfare to me!    :D

Shhhh!

Seriously, if we're going down that road, the "signature" wins for Mount St. Joseph this year are Wilmington and Lakeland (pretty darned impressive), and they have 3 votes.  All I'm saying is DePauw is good enough to earn a vote.  I didn't say they should be ranked - as Wes said (or at least implied), if they take care of their business, that will come eventually. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2008, 10:09:11 AM
QuoteSeriously, if we're going down that road, the "signature" wins for Mount St. Joseph this year are Wilmington and Lakeland (pretty darned impressive), and they have 3 votes.  All I'm saying is DePauw is good enough to earn a vote. 

agreed!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 22, 2008, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 22, 2008, 09:46:43 AM
Seriously, if we're going down that road, the "signature" wins for Mount St. Joseph this year are Wilmington and Lakeland (pretty darned impressive), and they have 3 votes.  All I'm saying is DePauw is good enough to earn a vote.  I didn't say they should be ranked - as Wes said (or at least implied), if they take care of their business, that will come eventually. 

Well, I guess I have to 2 things to respond to that with:

1) Somebody's got to put them in there for them to receive a vote.  A whole bunch of people have to put them in there to be ranked.  Right now nobody's putting them in there.  2) MSJ was a playoff team last year.  And the year before that.  And the year before that and so and so forth all the way back to 2004.  Even if they lose to Franklin this year like they did last year, they may still be a playoff team at 9-1 out of the not-exactly-a-powerhouse Heartland.  That will usually help you get some votes.

I just don't think they've played good enough football against two teams that they should probably beat the tar out of.  They beat a really bad Anderson team by only 30.  Anderson lost to Taylor.  TAYLOR!  52-17 isn't exactly an awe-insipiring win for the voters.  Plus, they beat a 4 loss Centre team by only 2 scores.  I'm sure the voters don't think they're nearly as improved as I do.  If DePauw plays like they're capable of playing in two weeks, it will come.  I guess I'm just used to DePauw never getting a ton of poll recognition, I reckon.  Not really a huge shock for me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 22, 2008, 12:54:13 PM
I was loooking at the SCAC conference standings on both this site and the SCAC's site and neither has included the result of the Rhodes/Birmingham-Southern game as a conference game. Is this an oversite by the sites or is it not being counted as a conference game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2008, 01:07:53 PM
Birmingham-Southern doesn't count in the conference standings until they are eligible for the title. I assume that would be when they are eligible for the NCAA playoffs, which would be 2011 at current pace.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 22, 2008, 01:14:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2008, 01:07:53 PM
Birmingham-Southern doesn't count in the conference standings until they are eligible for the title. I assume that would be when they are eligible for the NCAA playoffs, which would be 2011 at current pace.
Thanks, I figured it was something like that. Just checking.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2008, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: Conrad on September 22, 2008, 01:14:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 22, 2008, 01:07:53 PM
Birmingham-Southern doesn't count in the conference standings until they are eligible for the title. I assume that would be when they are eligible for the NCAA playoffs, which would be 2011 at current pace.
Thanks, I figured it was something like that. Just checking.
Games versus BSC will count as in-region when BSC is in Year #3, probably 2009-10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2008, 03:08:13 PM
QuoteI just don't think they've played good enough football against two teams that they should probably beat the tar out of.  They beat a really bad Anderson team by only 30.  Anderson lost to Taylor.  TAYLOR!  52-17 isn't exactly an awe-insipiring win for the voters.

Anderson is not a quality football team, but I guess I'm confused by your term "beat the tar out of"...I thnk scoring 52 points in your season opener with your starters playing three quarters qualifies.  But that's just me. ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on September 22, 2008, 04:35:27 PM
No disrespect to McMurry fans, but did you see what Mississippi College did to McMurry this past weekend.  Millsaps may even be better than I have given them credit in my head this year.  Millsaps beat MC very thoroughly this year, and MC had about the same spread as TU did on McMurry (without their great QB, Adam Schafer).  I know weekly scores do not mean a thing, but I just thought it was a point worth warrent.

P.S. I have thought that DePauw has been underrated thusfar as well, they have always had a nose in there for SCAC Champion, and this year the SCAC seems like it could be more of a powerhouse than ever before with three playoff possibles of DPU, Trinity, and Millsaps (Lets not forget that Centre, and Rhodes could always play spoiler).  I guess we may be able to tell in due time when we see the MC v. MHB and MC v. Hardin-Simmons results.

Just thought this would give some topics of conversation
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2008, 05:05:06 PM
Quote(Lets not forget that Centre, and Rhodes could always play spoiler).

would agree with that....remember last year's 2 touchdown win by Rhodes over Trinity...and Centre can be a tough opponent at home...what are your initial impressions of the Majors?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 22, 2008, 05:24:44 PM
Quote from: TE4SAPS80 on September 22, 2008, 04:35:27 PM
No disrespect to McMurry fans, but did you see what Mississippi College did to McMurry this past weekend.  Millsaps may even be better than I have given them credit in my head this year.  Millsaps beat MC very thoroughly this year, and MC had about the same spread as TU did on McMurry (without their great QB, Adam Schafer).  I know weekly scores do not mean a thing, but I just thought it was a point worth warrent.

P.S. I have thought that DePauw has been underrated thusfar as well, they have always had a nose in there for SCAC Champion, and this year the SCAC seems like it could be more of a powerhouse than ever before with three playoff possibles of DPU, Trinity, and Millsaps (Lets not forget that Centre, and Rhodes could always play spoiler).  I guess we may be able to tell in due time when we see the MC v. MHB and MC v. Hardin-Simmons results.

Just thought this would give some topics of conversation

I'll add something to that for discusssion. First, I think MS College will have some similarity to the Millsaps team two years ago that lost three to start the season but won the SCAC, and it's probably not extremely accurate to compare MC's score against HSU this weekend to our showing against Millsaps in the opener. The Choctaws had nine players new to the program start Saturday against McMurry, and six of those new players are on offense. I'm not sure how good we'll be this year, but with so many new players I know we'll be much better 4-5 games into the season when everyone learns what they're doing and gets on the same page.

Having said that, I think this year's Millsaps team is the best they've had and I wouldn't be surprised to see the Majors run through the rest of the schedule, and that includes at Trinity. Obviously I haven't seen Trinity this year and it's not fair to dismiss them, but looking at the boxscores they played McMurry about like we did this weekend. McMurry also had 159 rushing yards against Trinity and managed just 55 against MS College. That could have been second half yardage but it does get your attention.

Trinity also has a common opponent to UMHB. The Tigers beat Texas Lutheran 24-0 to open the season. UMHB beat TLU 63-7 last week. I just don't see any other SCAC school giving Millsaps a game this year as long as the Majors stay healthy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 22, 2008, 07:07:43 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2008, 03:08:13 PM
Anderson is not a quality football team, but I guess I'm confused by your term "beat the tar out of"...I thnk scoring 52 points in your season opener with your starters playing three quarters qualifies.  But that's just me. ;)

Yes, 52 does.  But, to me, giving them 17 after they scored that exact same number on the worst football team in the state does not.  Yes, it's the first game of the year.  Yes, it's a young defense, etc etc etc.  I'm not trying to slam the team by any stretch.  Please don't take it that way.  But, if I were voting, it would be something to consider.

We're splitting hairs at this point, anyway.  I can't possibly say after these two games whether or not DePauw is better or worse than any of those teams at the bottom of the Top 25 or even any of the 20 or so teams receiving votes.  Guess I just don't know.  And if I didn't have them in there to start this season, I'm not sure I've been given a reason to put them in there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2008, 08:20:28 PM
Please don't think I'm suggesting DePauw should or should not be ranked. Those things are what they are and take care of themselves over time. I'm just responding to your comments regarding the team's start.

QuoteBut, to me, giving them 17 after they scored that exact same number on the worst football team in the state does not.

Just so you know, Wes...in the Anderson game the DePauw defense gave up a whopping 18 yards rushing and 10 points on two early turnovers by the offense and then a meaningless TD late in the game with 2nd and 3rd teamers in. Also regarding Anderson, the "worst team in the state" beat Earlham 47-14 last week.  ;D

IMHO, DePauw is like alot of teams at this early point in the season...off to a good start but also a work in progress.  The fact that the Tigers are leading the SCAC in scoring offense and rushing defense, to name a few categories, are good signs. It was also nice to see the rushing game get going against Centre...Jon Ellis 123 yards...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 22, 2008, 09:56:19 PM
Was referring to Taylor, but you get the point.

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2008, 08:20:28 PM
Just so you know, Wes...in the Anderson game the DePauw defense gave up a whopping 18 yards rushing and 10 points on two early turnovers by the offense and then a meaningless TD late in the game with 2nd and 3rd teamers in.

I'm quite aware of exactly what happened in that football game, my friend.  However, your average voter that doesn't comb every single box score isn't aware of that, and seeing DPU give up 17 after Taylor gave them 17 isn't going to win anybody over.  Unfortunately, unless you beat those teams in a Mount Union-esque manner, it's not going to wow anybody.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 22, 2008, 10:38:50 PM
Haha!  Good stuff, keep up the entertaining posts fellas!  Comparing common opponents is always fun, but in early season when there's not much film available, it's not very valid.  Also, you have to take into account when the particular head coach calls off the dogs and puts his 2nd and/or 3rd teams in.  Lots of variables that most of you don't seem to take into account in your equations. 

I'm so glad to see this board up and active again.  That was one long spring/summer draught.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 22, 2008, 10:49:18 PM
How would I compare the 2007 Millsaps team to the 2008 team?  First, I would point out that the 2007 team was really, really good.  You all know the story--all they had to do was play their starters throughout the MC game and then run out the clock against Trinity after recovering an onside kick and Millsaps would have been 10-0 in the regular season and maybe knocking on the door of the Top 10. 

That's all water under the bridge, but with that in mind, I don't see where this year's team could be considered significantly better right now than a team that could have easily been 10-0 and maybe a Top 10 team in 2007.  The task at hand for the 2008 team is to go through the entire season without having a "what if" moment like the two from last year. 

I do think that Millsaps will improve over the course of the season.  There are new faces on the offensive line and a lot of new faces on defense.  It seems logical that these groups will improve with more game experience together.  The kicking game has improved over last year and that's always a big plus in a tight game.  I'm not sure if the passing game can get much better when compared to 2007, but Juan Joseph has become more of a running threat this season.  The running game might be the area where Millsaps can really improve over 2007, not so much because of greater talent, but because of more depth, more experience, and maybe a more balanced offensive approach. 

Time will tell on all that.  At this moment, Millsaps needs to remember that about a year ago an undefeated Trinity team went to Memphis to play a 2-2 Rhodes team that had only beaten LaGrange by a score of 28-21 and Birmingham Southern by a score of 10-7.  As unlikely as it sounds, Trinity slipped up that day and needed a miracle to earn a share of the SCAC crown.  I hope the Millsaps team remembers that lesson as well as the 2006 season when Millsaps barely held on for a 14-6 win at Rhodes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2008, 10:55:41 PM
Trinity was up on McMurry 21-0 at the end of the first half.

I think those are bona fides for a good Trinity team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2008, 11:13:55 PM
QuoteI'm quite aware of exactly what happened in that football game, my friend.  However, your average voter that doesn't comb every single box score isn't aware of that, and seeing DPU give up 17 after Taylor gave them 17 isn't going to win anybody over.  Unfortunately, unless you beat those teams in a Mount Union-esque manner, it's not going to wow anybody.

Hello...earth to Wes...I don't give a crap about rankings. I don't care if DePauw gets any votes at all...i am simply responding to your earlier, uninformed post. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2008, 11:18:05 PM
QuoteComparing common opponents is always fun, but in early season when there's not much film available, it's not very valid.  Also, you have to take into account when the particular head coach calls off the dogs and puts his 2nd and/or 3rd teams in.  Lots of variables that most of you don't seem to take into account in your equations. 

I'm so glad to see this board up and active again.  That was one long spring/summer draught.

well said!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 23, 2008, 02:11:54 AM
Really?  Seriously?  You don't care?  Then leave me alone. 

You've nitpicked every single thing I've said all day, which seems a bit much if you actually don't care.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 23, 2008, 03:46:11 AM

DePauw WR is SCAC Offensive Player of the Week.


http://www.depauw.edu/news/index.asp?id=22162
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 23, 2008, 03:56:43 AM
A hungry group of Trinity players, coaches and fans take the Tiger show on the road this weekend to Colorado Springs.  It'll be good to shake some rust off and see what this year's Trinity Tiger team is made of!  Back to backs in CO and BHM should prove to get them ready for the rest of their SCAC schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 23, 2008, 08:53:31 AM
I ran across the following on another website, written by a Brian Fisher, who I assume is a DePauw student...



Sep 22, 2008 10:47 PM
A different gold helmet

I had butterflies in my stomach on my drive up to South Bend for Notre Dame's home opener against the second worst team in Division I-A football. The tradition, the aura, the sea of navy and gold - it far surmounts overwhelming. Looking over the top of the stadium, touchdown Jesus seems to embrace the crowd, saying "it's going to be alright, I'm on your side."

I have grown up as a devout Irish fanatic. Childhood Saturday's were filled with cries of "Whoa Nelly!" from Keith Jackson. But I left Notre Dame Stadium that day a little disappointed, as did thousands of other Irish fans. The Domers were nearly upset by San Diego State, a team that many think should worship the ground that Charlie Weis walks on. I wasn't disenchanted because my face was blue from holding my breath through three painful quarters. But, as I took the shuttle bus back to my car (yes, I was parked that far away), it dawned on me that Notre Dame football had merged closer to the ideals of Donald Trump and further away from gold polished helmets that symbolized halos in boyhood lore.


The clamoring of cash registers drowned out the chants of the crowd. Venders swarmed fans on campus like paparazzi pester Angelina Jolie at Starbucks. There was more security than a Sarah Palin speech. And the only thing missing from the astronomical concession prices was a $10 cold beer. Two years ago, quarterback Jimmy Clausen was ushered into town like Joe Montana as he stepped out of his limo to announce via press conference that he would "play" for Notre Dame. I wonder if he was in shock when he arrived on campus and it dawned on the Californian that Notre Dame was also a school. And to top it all off, my nachos that day were not even up to par with mediocrity.


I had butterflies in my stomach on my walk to Blackstock Stadium for DePauw University's home opener in anticipation of filling up on hotdogs and tossing the pigskin around the parking lot. But that day more than surpassed my expectations. I don't know why, but it took me a full week to realize why that ordinary Saturday afternoon filled the void hole in my heart left from South Bend the weekend before.


DePauw University routed visiting Anderson College 52-17 in a meaningless Division III football game that didn't get airtime on NBC, receive highlights on SportsCenter, or hear the velvety echoes of Keith Jackson. Yet even nuns would have marveled at the purity of the day in small-town Indiana.


The crowd cheered on golden helmets with paw print stickers that sparkled the home sideline. The only buses on campus were those of the visiting Ravens with no shuttles in sight. The single parking lot was filled with tailgaters. Families and students accounted for the entirety of the DePauw faithful, and the capacity crowd would be lucky to fill the Irish student section. But they were there for a sole reason - football.


Quarterbacks arrive on campus in non-chauffeured Taurus's without their PR agent. They attend DePauw to obtain a stellar liberal arts degree. They play football simply because they still can. There are no special admittances and players do not miss bowl games for violating team rules. As a matter of fact, there are no bowl games where the University can pull in millions in revenue. Admission is free and a Coke is $1.00.


It doesn't sound like much, but like I said, it took me a week to figure out that the remainder of my sunny autumn Saturdays will be spent in Greencastle. I wasn't harassed in the parking lot to buy cheesy I Hate Michigan t-shirts. I tailgated peacefully with my friends, and then cheered on my friends with the rest of the DPU faithful. The game ended and the players unveiled their capes to become ordinary students yet again until the following Saturday.


The afternoon was blissful. It was like Little League without the angry fathers. The game wasn't an ESPN Classic or a greedy revenue venture. It wasn't a nose-bleed seat and there were no red carpets. It was one thing - football. Nothing more and unquestionably nothing less.


I thought I had seen purity, but who needs halos when you have paw prints?






Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 23, 2008, 10:31:04 AM
That was a nice read to go with my morning coffee. 

D-3 was nothing on my personal radar screen two-three years ago.  Now it's everything. 

I've had a few years here in College Station where I've rented homes to aggie football players from time to time.  I must say that in retrospect, I'd not want my son hanging around these guys.  First of all, most of them are not very bright.  Not very respectful of the house, nor my wife's management company.  Not very respectful of themselves looking at the evidence of filth left behind.  I have pictures that would frighten a "normal" adult. 

Is this sour grapes?  I certainly hope not.  Reality for most D-3 players (From my rather limited perspective) is that they kept their grades up in HS and they were an inch or two too short, or a few tenths too slow off the old forty time to garner the "big time D-1 offer".  We preach to these young men about their grades all through school and for many it pays off when they take the field for the first time wearing their new D-3 school unis.  It pays off. 

And, they play because they love it.  There's no D-2 or D-1 coach threatening to pull their scholie if they screw something up.  When they quit loving it, they leave and make room for others to step in to fulfill their dreams.  Or, they graduate with a camaraderie that lasts forever with a bunch of guys they've toiled and labored with under hot August suns. 

As I've heard my good friend Yuccaroot tell numerous boys and their families (he's a bit of a recruiting guru here locally), "there's 500+ colleges that play football out there.  If you want to play badly enough..."

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 23, 2008, 11:54:28 AM
QuoteThat was a nice read to go with my morning coffee. 

D-3 was nothing on my personal radar screen two-three years ago.  Now it's everything. 

I've had a few years here in College Station where I've rented homes to aggie football players from time to time.  I must say that in retrospect, I'd not want my son hanging around these guys.  First of all, most of them are not very bright.  Not very respectful of the house, nor my wife's management company.  Not very respectful of themselves looking at the evidence of filth left behind.  I have pictures that would frighten a "normal" adult. 

Is this sour grapes?  I certainly hope not.  Reality for most D-3 players (From my rather limited perspective) is that they kept their grades up in HS and they were an inch or two too short, or a few tenths too slow off the old forty time to garner the "big time D-1 offer".  We preach to these young men about their grades all through school and for many it pays off when they take the field for the first time wearing their new D-3 school unis.  It pays off. 

And, they play because they love it.  There's no D-2 or D-1 coach threatening to pull their scholie if they screw something up.  When they quit loving it, they leave and make room for others to step in to fulfill their dreams.  Or, they graduate with a camaraderie that lasts forever with a bunch of guys they've toiled and labored with under hot August suns. 

As I've heard my good friend Yuccaroot tell numerous boys and their families (he's a bit of a recruiting guru here locally), "there's 500+ colleges that play football out there.  If you want to play badly enough..."

couldn't agree more...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 23, 2008, 01:06:41 PM
Life experience------------>Wisdom
Wonderful insight from our DPU student teaching us all. Thanks for sharing the post.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 24, 2008, 08:46:17 AM
Brian Fisher's DIII football commentary originally posted 9/22 here:
http://www.collegefanz.com/message/3301

Great post, especially since I grew up in a household where "ND" was something you said if you hit your thumb with a hammer ...

D3 RULES.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2008, 10:54:51 AM
First AFCA D3 poll of the season (http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1588237) is out.  South Region teams of interest:

3.    Mary Hardin-Baylor (Texas)    2-0   897   
7.    Muhlenberg (Pa.)    2-0   602   
11.    Washington & Jefferson (Pa.)    3-0   567
12.    Hardin-Simmons (Texas)    3-0   438   
16.    Trinity (Texas)    2-0   347   
17.    Millsaps (Miss.)    3-0   333   
20.    Wesley (Del.)    1-1   304   

No votes for any other SCAC team; Louisiana College got 1 25th-place vote. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: reality check on September 24, 2008, 03:32:15 PM
I asked the following question in the wrong forum and I'm wondering if any of the Trinity folks might have an answer to this query.

I read an ESPN.com article this morning written by Gene Wojolotsofletters interviewing the actor who plays Matt Saracen on the TV version of Friday Night Lights.  The article referenced all the "football extras" ranging from former arena leaguers, college players and NFL alums.  Specifically referenced at the on-field version of Matt Saracen (QB) was a "former Trinity quarterback from nearby San Antonio."  I am wondering if anyone has a handle on who that former Trinity quarterback is since nothing I did to research netted any results.

Thanks guys.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 24, 2008, 06:07:13 PM
reality check ...

I believe I remember this being discussed a couple years ago ... the player in question was a recent Trinity alum, but not a quarterback ... seems like he played receiver or DB at TU. 

historymajor or Ron will know the answer, I'm sure.  Before my time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 24, 2008, 06:54:20 PM
Jason Hunt #84, WR w/ Jerheme Urban in Stagg Bowl run.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2008, 06:59:06 PM
I bow to Bob's superior knowledge.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on September 24, 2008, 07:05:28 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 23, 2008, 03:56:43 AM
A hungry group of Trinity players, coaches and fans take the Tiger show on the road this weekend to Colorado Springs.  It'll be good to shake some rust off and see what this year's Trinity Tiger team is made of!  Back to backs in CO and BHM should prove to get them ready for the rest of their SCAC schedule.

They are 2 of the bottom 3 teams in the SCAC... that will hardly get you ready for the league.

Tigers will roll with a pair of easy wins... TU 41, CC 6 and TU 31, BSC 3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 24, 2008, 10:42:39 PM
I knew he would know that one ... Jason Hunt is credited with "Stunts" on all the Friday Night Lights info on the various movie/TV websites.

He was also drafted to Team Texas of the upcoming "All American Football League" that was to have begun play last spring, but has announced a delay until 2009 ... no idea whether the AAFL league will ever got started. 

I found this photo of him being introduced during the AAFL draft:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/12743464@N03/2244124501/

A quick Google search also uncovered this excellent story written by a now-famous (or infamous?) young D3Football.com correspondent about Trinity's win over then-ranked UMHB from November 2002:

Trinity (Texas) 48, Mary Hardin-Baylor 38
Nov 23, 2002
by Ron Boerger, D3football.com correspondent
http://www.d3football.com/story.php?story=1168

Somehow we keep getting linked back to the same cast of characters here ...
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2008, 11:32:18 PM
"Young" and "Ron Boerger" haven't gone together in a very, very long time.

And speaking of long, the opening TD in that game came from the slowest dang kick return in history.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 25, 2008, 05:49:32 AM
I was at that game Ron, and the most vivid memory I have of it was Shawn Rochon getting mad on the field when a Trinity player grabbed him by the arm and yanked him down.  He was so mad when he came of the field he kicked a helmet a good 25 - 30 yards on the sidelines.  He was inconsolable so the coaches went into the stands and got his mom.  Mom settled it real quick. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2008, 11:34:24 AM
Unfortunately for Trinity fans, Toby, that year was about the last time UMHB had anything to be frustrated about in postseason matches between the two.   :-[
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 25, 2008, 12:52:49 PM
Maybe the tide will turn someday soon, Ron.  It's not the first three quarters that's the problem ... it's that last 15 minutes that gets us.  We just don't have the same number or type of athletes as the Cru.  Our best chance would be to have a balanced offensive attack with ball control and clock management to keep our D (and their O) off the field as much as possible.

First things first ... we gotta beat MC and DPU in SA to win the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 25, 2008, 03:18:08 PM

MILLSAPS FREE WEBCAST TONIGHT AND SATURDAY:

Link:  http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm

Millsaps Football Coach's Show Tonight at 7 p.m. (Thursday, 9/25)

Tonight's guests:
Nick Namias
Jonathan Brooks
Davern Williams
Jon Long
Mike DuBose

(Remember that if you missed last week's show, it airs at 6 p.m this evening.)

SATURDAY:  Millsaps Football at Rhodes--kickoff is at 1:00 PM and I imagine the webcast will start just a little earlier than that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on September 25, 2008, 03:39:18 PM
Davern Williams is a good guy... played at Auburn (a yr) Troy, NY Giants, Miami Dolphins

he is from montgomery, al

my son thought a lot of him.....as did I

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 25, 2008, 03:45:43 PM
I am going to be in Sherman for the AC/Centre game this weekend.  Anyone else going to be there?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: reality check on September 25, 2008, 04:04:34 PM
Thanks for the response guys.  I have linked the ESPN.com story that references a former Trinity QB playing the part of Matt Saracen on the field.  Interesting story nonetheless.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3603952 (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=wojciechowski_gene&id=3603952)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 26, 2008, 08:13:40 AM
Quote from: AF4 on September 25, 2008, 03:39:18 PM
Davern Williams is a good guy... played at Auburn (a yr) Troy, NY Giants, Miami Dolphins

he is from montgomery, al

my son thought a lot of him.....as did I

keep the faith

I watched/listened to the replay of last week's Millsaps Coach's Show and then to this week's show.  I always come away so impressed by the Millsaps coaching staff and the segment with Davern Williams this week was no exception. 

There's something special going on with the Millsaps football program that goes way beyond just winning football games and I wish there was a way to get more support for the team from the local community, the local press, the student body, and the alumni of the school.  I suspect that same sentiment is shared by many of you regarding the program at your favorite D3 school.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 26, 2008, 10:14:15 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 26, 2008, 08:13:40 AM
Quote from: AF4 on September 25, 2008, 03:39:18 PM
Davern Williams is a good guy... played at Auburn (a yr) Troy, NY Giants, Miami Dolphins

he is from montgomery, al

my son thought a lot of him.....as did I

keep the faith

I watched/listened to the replay of last week's Millsaps Coach's Show and then to this week's show.  I always come away so impressed by the Millsaps coaching staff and the segment with Davern Williams this week was no exception. 

There's something special going on with the Millsaps football program that goes way beyond just winning football games and I wish there was a way to get more support for the team from the local community, the local press, the student body, and the alumni of the school.  I suspect that same sentiment is shared by many of you regarding the program at your favorite D3 school.

I agree Frank, it is difficult to keep up with what is going on over there, espcially from here in Houston.  But I think it would be difficult to keep up with Trinity, even in the same state.  That is why I am thankful for this site and what Pat and the guys do for DIII as well as all the informed/unbiased  ;D posters on the boards!  I also think Kevin has done a great job as SID at Millsaps, he seems to have stabilized that position the last few years and has really worked hard to improve the communication flow and allow us to get live feeds of games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 26, 2008, 10:55:10 AM
Are these broadcasts archived anywhere?

Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 25, 2008, 03:18:08 PM

MILLSAPS FREE WEBCAST TONIGHT AND SATURDAY:

Link:  http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm

Millsaps Football Coach's Show Tonight at 7 p.m. (Thursday, 9/25)

Tonight's guests:
Nick Namias
Jonathan Brooks
Davern Williams
Jon Long
Mike DuBose

(Remember that if you missed last week's show, it airs at 6 p.m this evening.)

SATURDAY:  Millsaps Football at Rhodes--kickoff is at 1:00 PM and I imagine the webcast will start just a little earlier than that.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2008, 12:00:14 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 25, 2008, 03:45:43 PM
I am going to be in Sherman for the AC/Centre game this weekend.  Anyone else going to be there?
I'll be there. Hope the roos can recover from last weeks thumpin in Jackson.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 26, 2008, 12:06:45 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 25, 2008, 03:45:43 PM
I am going to be in Sherman for the AC/Centre game this weekend.  Anyone else going to be there?

I'll be there covering the game photographically for d3football.com, Rick.  Come down on the sidelines and visit if you have a chance.

And a reminder to all--please don't forget to check out the photo galleries on the front page of the site a couple of hours after the game to see images of the Colonels and 'Roos in action.  And if any parents or players would like to purchase prints of game action (please email me offline with any special requests), they can do so from there. 

The proceeds of the sales go toward keeping this site up, running, and free, so supprt d3football.com!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 26, 2008, 01:01:48 PM
I'll do that Josh.  :) RooBro, I hope to see you as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 26, 2008, 01:53:02 PM
Quote from: Conrad on September 26, 2008, 10:55:10 AM
Are these broadcasts archived anywhere?

Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 25, 2008, 03:18:08 PM

MILLSAPS FREE WEBCAST TONIGHT AND SATURDAY:

Link:  http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm

Millsaps Football Coach's Show Tonight at 7 p.m. (Thursday, 9/25)

Tonight's guests:
Nick Namias
Jonathan Brooks
Davern Williams
Jon Long
Mike DuBose

(Remember that if you missed last week's show, it airs at 6 p.m this evening.)

SATURDAY:  Millsaps Football at Rhodes--kickoff is at 1:00 PM and I imagine the webcast will start just a little earlier than that.


I checked and the answer is that there is no archiving at this time because of the added cost.  They will continue to show the previous week's show at 6:00 on Thursday followed by the current show at 7:00.

Don't forget that they will be doing the Millsaps at Rhodes game this Saturday and the pregame will come on at about 12:45.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2008, 06:44:26 PM
Welcome to the boards, roobro!

Please join us on the other sports after football season as well!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2008, 10:55:10 AM
For the record, it's a beautiful day in Colorado Springs.   ;D 

I'm blessed to have the kind of job that allowed me to work in Colorado this week and "fairly close" to Alabama next weekend. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2008, 11:39:22 AM
Today's SCAC Schedule with all times being Eastern Time Zone:

   1:00 PM  Sewanee   at DePauw     
   2:00 PM  Centre   at Austin     
   2:00 PM  Millsaps   at Rhodes     
   2:00 PM  Trinity (Tex.)  at Colorado Col. 

Internet options according to the SCAC website (to get links to these options, go to http://www.scac-online.org/ , go to the Football section, then click on scoreboard, and you will see a "link icon" beside the games)

Sewanee at DePauw:  There is a link to a very well done preview, live stats, and a radio broadcast--the DePauw radio broadcast team is always top notch.

Centre at Austin:  No links showing on the SCAC website.  Anyone from these two schools know of anything?

Millsaps at Rhodes:  Millsaps has a video webcast of this game.  Pregame should start around 1:45 Eastern time (which is naturally 12:45 for the CTZ where this is being played)

Trinity at Colorado:  There's a link for both video and audio, both provided by Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2008, 11:52:40 AM
The only thing I found on the Centre at Austin game was the game notes by Centre:

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/game_notes/0809/austin.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 02:17:46 PM
Millsaps forces fumble on Rhodes' first play from scrimmage and score 4 plays later.
Millsaps 7-0

Millsaps' Cap White  intercepts 4 plays after the kickoff to Rhodes, then Joseph fumbles on the scramble three plays later.

Rhodes gets one first down then has to punt, Saps gets ball at own 6.  Punts on the three and out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 02:27:03 PM
Teams swap punts.

Rhodes punts again.  Millsaps starts from its own thirty.

Millsaps leads 7-0 with  less than 5:00 left in the 1st quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 02:31:36 PM
Millsaps drives for a score after 30 yard pass from Joseph to Burt Perreira then scoring strike from Joseph to Eric McCarty.  Russolino kick good.

Millsaps leads 14-0 near end of 1st quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 02:44:31 PM
Millsaps drives for another score, 8-yard strike to Eric McCarty from Joseph.  Russolino kick good.  Key play on the drive 36-yard completion to Perreira on a 3rd and 15.

Millsaps leads 21-0 with 12:52 left in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 02:48:01 PM
DL Denarold Anderson having a HUGE day on defense for the Majors!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 02:56:45 PM
Millsaps LB Nick Dubison intercepts for the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 02:59:53 PM
Millsaps Larrimore hits another of his booming punts, and with illegal block penalty, Rhodes starts from its own 6 with 5:30 left in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 03:13:14 PM
With 1:07 left in the half, Millsaps receives punt at Rhodes 38 yard line.

Millsaps scores on 2-yard pass from Joseph to McCarty.  Russolino kick good.

Millsaps leads 28-0 with less than a minute left in half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2008, 03:28:48 PM
Caleb Urban returns kickoff 100 yards to open 2nd half and give Trinity a 21-3 lead.  Live stats here:  http://www.coloradocollege.edu/webcasts/Athletics/football/xlive.htm

DePauw leads Sewanee 27-14 in the 4th.  Live stats here:  http://www.depauw.edu/ath/live/football/xlive.htm

Ole Miss tied with Florida 24-24 with 8 minutes to go in the game.  Go Rebels!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2008, 03:34:28 PM
Sewanee scores with 4:18 to go, kick blocked to keep the score at 27-20, DePauw over Sewanee.

Rebels score on 85 yard pass--Ole Miss takes 6 point lead over Florida pending PAT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 27, 2008, 03:38:13 PM
Hey did the ATWSportscast.com crash??????????? in Memphis.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2008, 03:39:33 PM
I lost the connection right at half time--can't get back on at the moment.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 03:40:31 PM
same here
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2008, 03:42:02 PM
Sewanee gets the ball back at their 11 with 1:56 to go and down by 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 27, 2008, 03:54:13 PM
Sewanee drives stalls out around the DPU 25.  DePauw wins 27-20. 

Not exactly how I had drawn it up, but it's a win nonetheless.  If there was a "covering my eyes because I couldn't watch the live stats" emoticon, I would insert it here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2008, 03:54:32 PM
What is up with the CC passing game?  I know they lost a lot of WR talent to graduation but through three quarters CC had only attempted four passes - and Jon McDonald was the QB last year, so he can throw the ball.   Their last drive in the third went 14 straight plays on the ground including a 4th and 10 (which not surpringly didn't work).

35-3 Trinity now with 12:20 remaining.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 03:55:00 PM
Florida scores; KICK BLOCKED!

OLE MISS LEADS 31-30!!!

Florida 4th and 1 at Ole Miss 31; 55 sec. left
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 04:00:56 PM
OLE MISS WINS 31-30!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 04:08:45 PM
Millsaps broadcast now back on line.  Majors lead 35-2.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 04:25:27 PM
Millsaps starts a very disciplined drive with 9:59 left from its own 15.

Joseph to Perreira for the TD; Russolino kick good.

Millsaps leads 42 - 2.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2008, 04:33:55 PM
Odd numbers from the Trinity-CC game which was easily won by Trinity 35-10. 

CC won the time of possession 36:28 to 23:32.

CC ran 74 plays compared to 51 for Trinity.  Of those plays, CC ran 64 times for 237 yards and only completed 3 of 10 passes for 24 yards.  Trinity was far more balanced with 24 runs for 132 yards and completing 17 of 27 passes for 186 yards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 04:37:31 PM
Kenny Reeves intercepts for Millsaps and turns the pick into six for the Majors.

Millsaps leads 49-2 with less than 2:00 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 04:42:04 PM
Millsaps over Rhodes FINAL 49-2.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 27, 2008, 04:45:18 PM
Very Nice win for the Majors. Dominating and efficient.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2008, 05:08:51 PM
Centre defeats Austin College, 22-17.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 06:26:34 PM
Any stats available from the Millsaps-Rhodes game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 27, 2008, 06:57:23 PM
Similar stats from the Millsaps-Rhodes game compared to Trinity-CC

Score - Millsaps - 49; Rhodes - 2
Rhodes led TOP 36:06 to 23:54
Rhodes 48 rushes for 100; 5 of 21 passing for 35 yards, 4 INTs
Millsaps ran 30 times for 90 yards; 26 of 42 passing for 292
Millsaps ran only three more plays than Rhodes 72-69
Total Yards - Millsaps-382 Rhodes-135
First downs - 14 - 8
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2008, 07:08:57 PM
Stats are up on the SCAC site:  http://www.scac-online.org/

After mentioning how CC was greatly ahead of Trinity today in time of possession, I notice that Rhodes dominated the TOP against Millsaps 36:06 to 23:54 (Millsaps did greatly dominate the total yardage, winning that by a total of 382 yards to 135).

In news from another conference, I find it interesting that Mississippi College travelled to #24 Hardin-Simmons and lost in a very competitive 35-27 game.  It's extremely hard to compare that game with the game against Millsaps since Mississippi College has now reverted to more of a running team (296 yards rushing compared to 159 yards passing today), but it is interesting since HSU was ranked as the 2nd best team in the ASC in the preseason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2008, 10:05:57 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2008, 04:33:55 PM
Odd numbers from the Trinity-CC game which was easily won by Trinity 35-10. 

CC won the time of possession 36:28 to 23:32.

CC ran 74 plays compared to 51 for Trinity.  Of those plays, CC ran 64 times for 237 yards and only completed 3 of 10 passes for 24 yards.  Trinity was far more balanced with 24 runs for 132 yards and completing 17 of 27 passes for 186 yards.

One of the factors in the TOP was the CC quarterback was letting the play clock run down to a few seconds before they'd snap the ball.  I assume they figured their best chance of a win was to keep the TU offense sitting on the sidelines.  TU had 2nd stringers in for pretty much the entire 4th Q.  CC has a beautiful campus and field.  Nice place. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 27, 2008, 11:24:25 PM
Looks like the DPU Tigers will have their hands full next Saurday in Jackson.  How do they handle trips like these logistically - Thursday vs. Friday travel, bus vs. plane, etc.?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 28, 2008, 09:28:20 AM
Trinity appeared quite 'out-of-sync' after their long layoff and the trip to Colorado College, but managed a 35-10 victory.  CoCo's running game showed some signs of life.  I predict that they will win a SCAC game or two this year.  (barring injuries to key players)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 28, 2008, 11:08:27 AM
QuoteLooks like the DPU Tigers will have their hands full next Saurday in Jackson.  How do they handle trips like these logistically - Thursday vs. Friday travel, bus vs. plane, etc.?

It will be a tough test indeed, especially playing in Jackson. DePauw busses to Millsaps; flies to Trinity, Colorado College and Austin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 28, 2008, 02:36:19 PM
QuoteLooks like the DPU Tigers will have their hands full next Saurday in Jackson.  How do they handle trips like these logistically - Thursday vs. Friday travel, bus vs. plane, etc.?

Regarding travel, i believe the team will leave early Friday morning in order  to get a workout in at Milsaps that evening. Travel, I think, is one of the things that makes the SCAC a challenging conference.

No doubt the Tigers will face their toughest test of the young season. In particular, the young secondary will see by far the best QB they have faced...on the positive side Senior Safety Marc Hoeppner continues his solid play and Freshman CB Steve Valdiserri is is making plays; in addition to his break-up of Sewanee's last gasp pass, he had an interception Saturday.

The hope is DPU gets healthy this week, too. WR's Mulligan and Koors and TE Branigan were all out Saturday...

Looking forward to the trip to Jackson!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on September 28, 2008, 04:53:39 PM
Austin College and Centre fans...images from yesterday's game are up on the front page under th 'Photo Galleries' link.  Check them out!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 28, 2008, 09:21:56 PM
Official attendance at TU-CC was 417.  I could have sworn there were more there than that.  I think there might have actually been more TU fans there.  Well, maybe not, but darn near 

417.  This is the one part of D-3 that takes some getting used to when there's often 8-15K at our local high school games in this part of TX. 


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 28, 2008, 09:29:34 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 28, 2008, 09:21:56 PM
Official attendance at TU-CC was 417.  I could have sworn there were more there than that.  I think there might have actually been more TU fans there.  Well, maybe not, but darn near 

417.  This is the one part of D-3 that takes some getting used to when there's often 8-15K at our local high school games in this part of TX. 

There are some high school band programs in north Texas that march more than 417.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 29, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
417???  Come on,, granted I was in the pressbox, but nah....  I estimated 900-1000. 

I too 'learned' that D3 crowds are puny compared to TX Friday Night Lights 10-15K... 
But what the h^&*,,,  they just don't know what they're missing. 

High quality football, played by young scholar-athletes that are top-notch future leaders, surrounded by parents and friends that have invested their lives in these great young men..... 

It doesn't get much better than that!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 29, 2008, 12:28:56 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 29, 2008, 11:12:08 AM
417???  Come on,, granted I was in the pressbox, but nah....  I estimated 900-1000. 

I too 'learned' that D3 crowds are puny compared to TX Friday Night Lights 10-15K... 
But what the h^&*,,,  they just don't know what they're missing. 

High quality football, played by young scholar-athletes that are top-notch future leaders, surrounded by parents and friends that have invested their lives in these great young men..... 

It doesn't get much better than that!

I think 100 of them were the parents of the dance teams that performed at half time, then promptly exited at the start of the 3rd Q.  Just like the band parents at our local high school!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 29, 2008, 01:08:51 PM
QuoteI think 100 of them were the parents of the dance teams that performed at half time, then promptly exited at the start of the 3rd Q.  Just like the band parents at our local high school!

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 29, 2008, 01:18:34 PM
Just for grins, I looked at TU's stats and see that they claimed an attendance of 1475 for the Thursday pre-Hurricane game vs. TLU at EM Stevens.

If there were 1475 people at the TLU game, there were at least 2684 at Colorado College.

Must be those Obama supporters doing the counting at TU ...

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 29, 2008, 02:52:46 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 29, 2008, 01:18:34 PM
Just for grins, I looked at TU's stats and see that they claimed an attendance of 1475 for the Thursday pre-Hurricane game vs. TLU at EM Stevens.

If there were 1475 people at the TLU game, there were at least 2684 at Colorado College.

Must be those Obama supporters doing the counting at TU ...

;D

You know, there's one thing I will say for certain after all of my travels through D3 venues:  1,000 fans to SID #1 may look like 2,000 to SID #2 and 500 to SID #3.

I've had quite a few of those when I would get back to the hotel after a broadcast and take a peek at the boxscore.  There were several times where I'd think, "There were 1500 people there?  The only way there were 1500 people there was if he counted himself 800 times."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 29, 2008, 02:53:16 PM
QuoteMust be those Obama supporters doing the counting at TU ...

;D Good one!

Hey what are your early impressions of the San Antonio Tigers? Any surprises or too early to tell?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 29, 2008, 03:08:47 PM
I once asked a former Millsaps SID how they came up with the attendance numbers since the official numbers were often wildly out of whack with reality.  I was told that the NCAA allows schools to calulate the count based on a formula instead of actually counting the number of spectators. 

I never got much of an answer on how this formula worked. My impression was that a school could assume that a certain percentage of the students would attend an event, plus assume that a certain percentage from the local alumni base would attend, etc.  I may have that totally wrong since my questions at that time got such vague answers.  Maybe someone else has a better idea of how this formula works.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2008, 03:20:42 PM
Frank,

In my years in Division III athletics I have never heard of such a formula.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on September 29, 2008, 03:52:50 PM
Working at D-I Texas State prior to Millsaps, I was informed that the NCAA allows you to add the fans, staff, players, workers, etc. to help with attendance numbers if they are very low.  I trust my former boss because I feel he's one of the best in the country.  He or I might be completely wrong, but I have used that formula for a good four years now.  For instance, we might have 24 people at a volleyball game and put down 50 after adding both teams, the staff and even someone who stepped in for a second.  I will agree I've probably been way off too on attendance numbers.  The TU/Millsaps game last year was probably around 2,200 and I think I had 4,500 or something like that. ;D   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2008, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on September 29, 2008, 03:52:50 PM
...  The TU/Millsaps game last year was probably around 2,200 and I think I had 4,500 or something like that. ;D   
And 30 years from now, the number of people who saw the "Miralce in Mississippi" will number into the "tens of thousands"!   :)

Why shucks!  I remember that game myself!  ;)   :D :D :D   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 29, 2008, 04:22:03 PM
Me too, Ralph.  I've seen that play a hundred times on TV. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 29, 2008, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2008, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on September 29, 2008, 03:52:50 PM
...  The TU/Millsaps game last year was probably around 2,200 and I think I had 4,500 or something like that. ;D   
And 30 years from now, the number of people who saw the "Miralce in Mississippi" will number into the "tens of thousands"!   :)

Why shucks!  I remember that game myself!  ;)   :D :D :D   ;D

What is the "Miracle in Mississippi"?  Is that something that happened last year, was the Mississippi River parted at Vicksburg?  Hopefully I can find it on the Internet! I can't even remember what I ate for lunch on Saturday  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 29, 2008, 11:33:21 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on September 29, 2008, 03:52:50 PM
Working at D-I Texas State prior to Millsaps, I was informed that the NCAA allows you to add the fans, staff, players, workers, etc. to help with attendance numbers if they are very low.  I trust my former boss because I feel he's one of the best in the country.  He or I might be completely wrong, but I have used that formula for a good four years now.  For instance, we might have 24 people at a volleyball game and put down 50 after adding both teams, the staff and even someone who stepped in for a second.  I will agree I've probably been way off too on attendance numbers.  The TU/Millsaps game last year was probably around 2,200 and I think I had 4,500 or something like that. ;D   

Major_Fan: In Division I there is an attendance minimum standard that must be met, right? There's none in Division III. You can count attendance however you want, except for NCAA postseason games, which must be only tickets actually sold.

Division III and Division I operate under many different rules. I hope you're not applying other D-I rules at Millsaps. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2008, 11:53:29 PM
Quote from: exmajor on September 29, 2008, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2008, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on September 29, 2008, 03:52:50 PM
...  The TU/Millsaps game last year was probably around 2,200 and I think I had 4,500 or something like that. ;D   
And 30 years from now, the number of people who saw the "Miralce in Mississippi" will number into the "tens of thousands"!   :)

Why shucks!  I remember that game myself!  ;)   :D :D :D   ;D

What is the "Miracle in Mississippi"?  Is that something that happened last year, was the Mississippi River parted at Vicksburg?  Hopefully I can find it on the Internet! I can't even remember what I ate for lunch on Saturday  ;D
I just googled "Miracle" "Mississippi" and got 6,270,000 citations.  (That is close to the number of times that the Trinity loyalists voted on the ESPYS).

Maybe you can find it amongst those millions.   :D

And I didn't suffer from keyboard dyslexia this time.  (I hit the right hand faster than the left hand on the keyboard!   :-\  )
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 30, 2008, 08:54:52 AM
Ralph, I for one WAS there!  As I WAS at the Ice Bowl in GB in 1967.  And I WAS at Milw Cty Stadium the last time my Brewers were in the World Series!  Did you get my little 'token' of appreciation for guesting at the TU/McM game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2008, 11:50:56 AM
Congrats to this week's SCAC Players of the Week:

BURT PEREIRA OF MILLSAPS COLLEGE, a 6-0, 160-pound senior receiver from Bush, La., has been named the SCAC Football Offensive Players-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 27.

Pereira hauled in a career-high 10 passes for 138 yards and two touchdowns in the Majors' 49-2 win at conference foe Rhodes.

His 138 receiving yards are a single-game high for a Millsaps receiver this season.

Pereira's touchdowns spanned five and seven yards and were the fifth and sixth touchdowns of his career.

- * - * - * -

ZACK SLOAN OF CENTRE COLLEGE, a 5-11, 196-pound junior corner back from Lebanon, Ind., has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 27.

Sloan notched five tackles, intercepted two passes, broke up one pass, and recovered a fumble in Centre's 22-17 win at Austin College.

His first interception ended Austin's second drive of the game at Centre's 2-yard line and his second interception came at the end of the game to foil Austin's comeback attempt.

- * - * - * -

CALEB URBAN OF TRINITY UNIVERSITY
, a 6-1, 200-pound junior wide receiver/kick returner from Victoria Texas., has been selected the SCAC Football Special Teams Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, September 27.

Urban returned the second half kick 100 yards for a touchdown to spark Trinity to a 35-10 win over SCAC foe Colorado College. His kickoff extended the Tigers lead to 21-3 and helped deflate any Colorado College comeback attempt.

Urban is the first Trinity player to return a kickoff for a touchdown since his older brother – Arizona Cardinals wide receiver Jerheme Urban – returned a kickoff for a score against St. John's in the 2002 NCAA Division III Playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2008, 01:31:51 PM
Quote from: historymajor on September 30, 2008, 08:54:52 AM
Ralph, I for one WAS there!  As I WAS at the Ice Bowl in GB in 1967.  And I WAS at Milw Cty Stadium the last time my Brewers were in the World Series! 
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2008, 11:53:29 PM

I just googled "Miracle" "Mississippi" and got 6,270,000 citations.  (That is close to the number of times that the Trinity loyalists voted on the ESPYS).

I know! And you have had a large part in making it possible for the "tens of thousands" that weren't there to recall that game as vividly as if we were there.

Shucks!  Some of us even voted early and voted often for the ESPYS!   :D   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 30, 2008, 02:42:48 PM
I voted a few times for the pontiac play of the year thing last year.  Free money is good. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 30, 2008, 03:35:15 PM
Congratulations to Burt Pereira on the POTW honor and to the Millsaps team for making the biggest leap this year week in the top-25, going from 19th to 13th (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2008/week-4).  

Since my D3 football knowledge is limited to watching Millsaps and the teams they play, I have no idea if that #13 ranking is close to reality.  Obviously the voters see something a little extra besides just this week's win for them to push Millsaps so high, so fast.  If I had to guess the reason for the big jump, I would guess at these three things:

--People are noticing that Millsaps has a defense to go along with their offense.  Sometimes the big number up front makes causes people to miss the low number in the back of the score:  42-6 vs MS College, 34-14 vs Belhaven, 42-7 vs Austin, and 49-2 vs Rhodes.

--While Millsaps had a big win this week, maybe the big jump was due more to the close game between MS College and Hardin-Simmons.  While comparing scores against like opponents is a very inexact science, Millsaps did beat MS College 42-6 when they had Adam Shaffer and Hardin-Simmons only won 35-27 in a Shaffer-less game.  Also, Desmond Mays had 30 rushes for 189 yards last week and only 34 yards on 13 carries against Millsaps.  

--And maybe one other factor is that Millsaps has really been a dominant team for the last 21 games.  Millsaps is just a decision and a miracle away from being a team with a 21-game regular season winning streak.  In the 19 wins during that stretch, only the 2006 Rhodes game was less than a 2-touchdown win.  (Yes, they did lose the NCAA game in 2006, but that was a Millsaps team with no depth and virtually no healthy running backs at the end of the year.    I think they were running on fumes by the time they got to Carnegie Mellon.)

Does all of this add up to a team being the 13th best team in the nation?  I don't know and I'd just as soon have Trinity at 13 and Millsaps at 19--more motivation for us and less for Trinity, but that game is still a month away from now.  I expect a tough game this weekend against DePauw and that might shed a lot more light on just where the Millsaps offense and defense are at the moment.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2008, 04:48:33 PM
I guess you'll like the latest AFCA poll (http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1593100), Frank.  Trinity moved up to 13th, Millsaps to 14th.   The two teams are separated by 8 points among the 40 voters; last week, it was 14 points. 

Other South Region teams:

3.  UMHB
9.  W&J
11.  Hardin-Simmons
18.  Wesley
21.  Del Valley
23.  Salisbury

RV:  Hampden-Sydney, WashU, CNU, DePauw, Louisiana College
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 30, 2008, 05:05:00 PM
Actually, I do like this poll even better since it has two SCAC teams in the top 15 and another team receiving votes.  The SCAC championship will be decided on the field between DePauw, Millsaps, and Trinity (plus any other team that gets in the act as a spoiler), so polls don't matter at all in determining who is best in the conference. 

I do think polls serve to show the respect a conference has around the nation and it's good to see 3 SCAC getting some notice.  I'd really like to see 2 SCAC teams get into the playoffs this year and I think that will happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 30, 2008, 05:24:41 PM
Frank,

Pat and Keith had some good commentary on this week's podcast regarding some of the items you discussed in your post.  Keith did mention that this team was a one point loss and miracle away from a 10-0 season.  A lot of their discussions was where do you rank a team like this.  I too was surprised at the 6 point jump, but am glad to see it for the school and the SCAC!  I would not mind seeing Trinity in this spot on the poll either, but before the Majors focus on that showdown in November that could decide the conference for the third year in a row, I am much more concerned about Depauw this week and Centre in KY next week.  These will not be easy games for the Majors and could make the November game a mute point!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2008, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: exmajor on September 30, 2008, 05:24:41 PM
Frank,

Pat and Keith had some good commentary on this week's podcast regarding some of the items you discussed in your post.  Keith did mention that this team was a one point loss and miracle away from a 10-0 season.  A lot of their discussions was where do you rank a team like this.  I too was surprised at the 6 point jump, but am glad to see it for the school and the SCAC!  I would not mind seeing Trinity in this spot on the poll either, but before the Majors focus on that showdown in November that could decide the conference for the third year in a row, I am much more concerned about Depauw this week and Centre in KY next week.  These will not be easy games for the Majors and could make the November game a mute point!

Even if Millsaps should slip against one team, the November game would still be in play as with a two-way tie the team that wins H2H gets the Pool A bid.  Millsaps is unlikely to have a problem with a Centre team that barely got by Austin and lost handily to DPU. 

I don't see Millsaps slipping, tho. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 30, 2008, 06:34:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2008, 05:49:01 PM
Quote from: exmajor on September 30, 2008, 05:24:41 PM
Frank,

Pat and Keith had some good commentary on this week's podcast regarding some of the items you discussed in your post.  Keith did mention that this team was a one point loss and miracle away from a 10-0 season.  A lot of their discussions was where do you rank a team like this.  I too was surprised at the 6 point jump, but am glad to see it for the school and the SCAC!  I would not mind seeing Trinity in this spot on the poll either, but before the Majors focus on that showdown in November that could decide the conference for the third year in a row, I am much more concerned about Depauw this week and Centre in KY next week.  These will not be easy games for the Majors and could make the November game a mute point!

Even if Millsaps should slip against one team, the November game would still be in play as with a two-way tie the team that wins H2H gets the Pool A bid.  Millsaps is unlikely to have a problem with a Centre team that barely got by Austin and lost handily to DPU. 

I don't see Millsaps slipping, tho. 

I agree Ron, Millsaps should not slip, but Depauw is the best team they have faced this year, unless Mississippi College was just way off.  I will feel a lot more comfortable with the ranking after a win against the Tigers from Depauw.  The Centre game in KY will be the first long road trip for the team and just screams classic "trap" game.  Just trying to avoud counting the chickens before they hatch.  It should be down to the game in November for the SCAC title again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2008, 06:45:59 PM
There is one other thing to keep in the back of your minds about the MissColl game.

Sometimes there are rivalry blowouts that occur when the momentum swings so quickly, and so strongly, that the other team cannot catch up.

I am not yet ready to call MissColl that good, but if they Choctaws end up 7-3 and Millsaps doesn't run the table, then I will re-evaluate the Backyard Brawl from that perspective.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 30, 2008, 06:59:20 PM
Polls are great fun for fans and website publishers.  Gives the writers something to write about and message board junkies something about which to pontificate. 

I told my son the Trinity rank last week and his reply was "that's cool, I didn't know that."  Granted he's a freshman, but I'm guessing the players really don't give a rat's rear end. 




Thought for the day:  Thank God for mandatory knee braces for O-linemen! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 30, 2008, 07:03:10 PM
We had a fun JV game last night versus UHMB.  Good defensive struggle.  There must have been 100+ Cru that showed up in San Antonio.  Good crowd on both sides.  I enjoyed it.  HistoryMajor actually was broadcasting it on the net.  Thanks to him for that!  Final score 7-6 in favor of TU.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 30, 2008, 11:33:18 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 30, 2008, 06:45:59 PM
There is one other thing to keep in the back of your minds about the MissColl game.

Sometimes there are rivalry blowouts that occur when the momentum swings so quickly, and so strongly, that the other team cannot catch up.

I am not yet ready to call MissColl that good, but if they Choctaws end up 7-3 and Millsaps doesn't run the table, then I will re-evaluate the Backyard Brawl from that perspective.

In defense of the Choctaws, let me point out that they haven't had the easiest of schedules.  The 3 losses have all been road games, not very significant vs. Millsaps, but a long road trip to Kentucky and Texas on the other two.  Millsaps is in the top 15 of the D3 polls.  The University of the Cumberlands is 17th in the NAIA poll, and Hardin-Simmons is 21st in the D3 polls. 

While the loss to the U of the Cumberlands looks decisive at 49-28, MC did outgain Cumberlands by a total of 330 yards to 233.  That wasn't enough to overcome 8 turnovers and 3 interceptions returned for TDs.  They also had their chances to tie Hardin-Simmons near the end, failing to score after driving to the HSU 1-yard line.

The bottom line is that MS College is 1-3 against a schedule that would leave a lot of pretty good teams sitting at 1-3.  I think they have shown that they are a pretty good team and I won't be surprised if they finished the year 6-4 (I think everyone would be stunned if they finished at 7-3 considering the trip to UMHB in a few weeks).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2008, 12:02:20 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 30, 2008, 11:33:18 PM
...
...  I think they have shown that they are a pretty good team and I won't be surprised if they finished the year 6-4 (I think everyone would be stunned if they finished at 7-3 considering the trip to UMHB in a few weeks).

6-2 in the ASC leaves them in 3rd place (if there are no ties).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on October 01, 2008, 01:17:50 PM
Millsaps' Denarold Anderson named to D3football.com TOTW (first time of career).
http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/100108story.shtml

Also, congrats to Caleb Urban (TU), Zack Sloan (Centre) and Alex Fitch (DePauw) who were also named.

On a side note, Joseph (27-of-42, 300 yds, school-record 6 TDs) snubbed again off list.  Just fighting for our QB here who has been phenominal for Millsaps in 25 games as a starter and has broken almost every single-game, season and career passing record.  You would think he'd hit the list at least once. :o

Should be a great game in Jackson on Saturday (Millsaps 4-0 vs DePauw 3-0).  We welcome everyone to watch the webcast!
http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
On a side note, the player selected went 27-for-42 ... and then ANOTHER 10-for-11 on top of that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 01, 2008, 04:43:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
On a side note, the player selected went 27-for-42 ... and then ANOTHER 10-for-11 on top of that.

That's funny as hell.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 01, 2008, 06:25:10 PM
I'm thinking a lot of players will get defensive player of the week against AC this year of our QB continues to shortarm his throws.  He must have under thrown well over half of his passes vs Centre and you could see that last INT that iced it for Centre coming a mile away b/c he stared down his WR so badly.  Even the one just before the final INT (why were we passing once we got down there???) was only caught b/c Coachman made in incredible adjustment to the severely underthrown ball.  Had Braly gotten anything under it, Coachman had a sure TD.  Happened on an earlier INT deep in Centre territory as well.  Dunno if he just has a weak arm, bad mechanics or if he has hurt himself with all the running we do but AC is gonna have a tough time late in games if they are down b/c we simply cant throw the ball downfield and even the short throws seem to all be too low to run after the catch.  Their D seems to have taken a slight step back this year as well which is dissapointing.  Teams that run bubble screens should be able to eat us up. 

watching them play a couple games i now feel we may be lucky to get to 5-5 and will have to fight jsut to repeat 4-6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on October 01, 2008, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
On a side note, the player selected went 27-for-42 ... and then ANOTHER 10-for-11 on top of that.

If we're looking at that angle, then Juan threw ANOTHER three TDs on top of the QB selected...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 01, 2008, 09:00:56 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on October 01, 2008, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
On a side note, the player selected went 27-for-42 ... and then ANOTHER 10-for-11 on top of that.

If we're looking at that angle, then Juan threw ANOTHER three TDs on top of the QB selected...

Well, f we're looking at that angle, Juan did that against a crummy Rhodes team, while young Mr. Berg achieved his successes against a darned fine St. Olaf group.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 01, 2008, 09:04:34 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on October 01, 2008, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
On a side note, the player selected went 27-for-42 ... and then ANOTHER 10-for-11 on top of that.

If we're looking at that angle, then Juan threw ANOTHER three TDs on top of the QB selected...

I'm thinking you're not going to win this one pal 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbunch on October 01, 2008, 09:47:01 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 01, 2008, 09:00:56 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on October 01, 2008, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
On a side note, the player selected went 27-for-42 ... and then ANOTHER 10-for-11 on top of that.

If we're looking at that angle, then Juan threw ANOTHER three TDs on top of the QB selected...

Well, f we're looking at that angle, Juan did that against a crummy Rhodes team, while young Mr. Berg achieved his successes against a darned fine St. Olaf group.

First time post, but I could not resist...

From NCAA stats.....

Rhodes ranks 67th nationally in pass defense and 9th in total defense (#1 in the SCAC)

St. Olaf ranks 170th in pass defense and 49th in total defense.

I'm just sayin'.....


Bryan

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2008, 10:59:16 PM
Welcome Bryan...

Always good to have new posters!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 10:59:51 PM
Quote from: bbunch on October 01, 2008, 09:47:01 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 01, 2008, 09:00:56 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on October 01, 2008, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
On a side note, the player selected went 27-for-42 ... and then ANOTHER 10-for-11 on top of that.

If we're looking at that angle, then Juan threw ANOTHER three TDs on top of the QB selected...

Well, f we're looking at that angle, Juan did that against a crummy Rhodes team, while young Mr. Berg achieved his successes against a darned fine St. Olaf group.

First time post, but I could not resist...

From NCAA stats.....

Rhodes ranks 67th nationally in pass defense and 9th in total defense (#1 in the SCAC)

St. Olaf ranks 170th in pass defense and 49th in total defense.

I'm just sayin'.....


Bryan

Because Rhodes played Louisiana College and Birmingham-Southern and St. Olaf played Luther, Pacific Lutheran and a six-overtime game against St. Thomas.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 11:01:36 PM
Quote from: Major_Fan on October 01, 2008, 08:06:34 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2008, 01:19:04 PM
On a side note, the player selected went 27-for-42 ... and then ANOTHER 10-for-11 on top of that.

If we're looking at that angle, then Juan threw ANOTHER three TDs on top of the QB selected...

In all honesty, I'm not blown away by the action of the touchdown pass specifically. If the offensive coordinator chooses to run in the red zone and the team still scores, the quarterback has clearly done his job just fine.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on October 01, 2008, 11:37:38 PM
I don't think that it would be fair to call Rohdes a crummy team this early in the season.  From what I understand Louisiana College is much better this year than they have been in past seasons, and it is not like Millsaps is climbing its way to the top undeservedly, Rhodes may have dropped two out of the first three, and probably will lose to Washington U next week, but the second you write Rhodes off as crummy they come back and shake up the SCAC.  I know from personal experience they almost cost us a SCAC title my senior year, the closest team out of any.
Oh and Austin College fan who said that they are doomed to a bad season, give it some time ya'll are just 7 points from being 3-1 rather than 1-3.  I believe that next week will bring a win, and who knows winning might spread like a wildfire throughout the season.
I can't wait for this weekend in SCAC play, it seems like all matches are going to be pretty even, with maybe one exception, I think TU may be quite a bit better than its opponent, but I have been proven wrong before.  Hopefully my Majors can keep up the 40 point range, and maybe continue its climb to the top.  The higher both Trinity and Millsaps climbs this year the better the chance of two SCAC playoff teams, and who knows, Depauw maybe could peek their heads in there if their only losses are to two highly ranked teams.  Maybe I am just dreaming, two will definitely suffice for now, does anyone know when the last time the SCAC had two playoff teams was?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbunch on October 01, 2008, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2008, 10:59:16 PM
Welcome Bryan...

Always good to have new posters!   :)

Thanks Ralph.

I been following for a couple of years now and have been following the Majors with great interest.

I could have sworn that Pat said that BSC dominated Rhodes, but he either edited his post or it's the wine  ;)

I'm in Austin, TX and look forward to making the trek down to San Antonio on Nov. 1st. Hopefully Millsaps will not slip up before then.


Bryan
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2008, 11:45:21 PM
Quote from: bbunch on October 01, 2008, 11:40:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2008, 10:59:16 PM
Welcome Bryan...

Always good to have new posters!   :)

Thanks Ralph.

I been following for a couple of years now and have been following the Majors with great interest.

I could have sworn that Pat said that BSC dominated Rhodes, but he either edited his post or it's the wine  ;)

I'm in Austin, TX and look forward to making the trek down to San Antonio on Nov. 1st. Hopefully Millsaps will not slip up before then.


Bryan
Please remember to follow us in basketball and baseball!

The SCAC baseball board is as good as there is!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2008, 01:18:40 AM
The SCAC has never had two playoff teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2008, 05:10:12 AM
Regarding the quarterback of the week discussion, I'm reminded of the numerous posts earlier this year regarding who should be the SCAC Men's basketball player of the year.  The conversation ultimately narrowed down to 3 players from 3 very good teams and a good case could be made for all.  Most folks agreed that no matter who you picked for the POTY, there were going to be 2 guys left out who certainly had the credentials for that honor (as Edrick Montgomery proved by going on to be named 2nd team AA after failing to win the SCAC POTY award).

I don't know the exact number, but obviously there were over 100 winning quarterbacks last week and I'm sure a pretty good case could be made for several as the TOTW pick.  And while I certainly think Juan had the kind of numbers that could have won the award on certain weeks during the season, it is hard to argue against the stats put up by Jordan Berg in a closer game (Berg completed 37 of 53 passes for 397 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions, leading the Auggie offense to touchdowns on its first five drives to build a 35-14 halftime lead, en route to a 49-21 win over St. Olaf.). 

That's not to take away from Juan Joseph's outstanding game.  It's just pointing out that not all outstanding performances can be crammed onto the TOTW.  For example, Desmond Mays of MS College rushed for 4 TDs and almost 200 yards in the upset bid against HSU.  It was an effort worthy of the ASC Offensive Player of the Week but he wasn't on the D3 TOTW, losing out to two other outstanding efforts.

The bottom line right now is that Juan Joseph will get plenty of recognition at season's end if he can lead Millsaps into the playoffs with a 10-0 record and one big test comes this week, and it comes against another outstanding quarterback.  It should be a great game to watch and I hope that some fans around the country will tune into the Millsaps webcast, including the DePauw fans who will be most likely listening to the DePauw radio broadcast.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 02, 2008, 05:49:31 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2008, 05:10:12 AM
For example, Desmond Mays of MS College rushed for 4 TDs and almost 200 yards in the upset bid against HSU.  It was an effort worthy of the ASC Offensive Player of the Week but he wasn't on the D3 TOTW, losing out to two other outstanding efforts.

Here's a little Texas football trivia for those of you in (or interested in) the Lone Star State ...

Desmond Mays of Normangee, Texas was the 2003 and 2004 Texas UIL Class 1A (smallest public school classification) Player of the Year as selected by the AP ... see this story from the Victoria Advocate http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121404.htm (http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121404.htm).  Mays gained over 6,000 yards as a running back in high school.

He's moved around a bit (see the note in this Clarion-Ledger story http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081001/SPORTS030105/810010330/1085/SPORTS (http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081001/SPORTS030105/810010330/1085/SPORTS)), but is putting up solid numbers for the Mississippi College Choctaws this season.

Also selected first-team running back on the 2004 AP Class 1A team was Chris Baer of Shiner, Texas .... Baer led the Comanches to a second consecutive appearance in the Class 1A Championship game in 2004 ... rushing for over 2,000 yards and scoring 41 TD's in that season.  After the AP selection was announced, Baer "only" scored 4 TD's and rushed for 128 yards on 21 carries in the State Championship game, winning 33-19.  He also had 8 tackles (2 sacks) from his MLB position and ran a kickoff back for a TD.

Baer now plays running back for the Trinity Tigers and leads the team in rushing and scoring ... for the second season in a row (so far).

Congratulations to both young men on hitting the big-time in Division III. 
In Texas, Class 1A rules!  In the NCAA, Division III rocks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 02, 2008, 09:38:49 AM
Quote from: TE4SAPS80 on October 01, 2008, 11:37:38 PM
The higher both Trinity and Millsaps climbs this year the better the chance of two SCAC playoff teams, and who knows, Depauw maybe could peek their heads in there if their only losses are to two highly ranked teams.  Maybe I am just dreaming, two will definitely suffice for now, does anyone know when the last time the SCAC had two playoff teams was?

Two losses are pretty much a death knell as far as playoffs, even if the losses are to ranked teams. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 02, 2008, 09:40:13 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 02, 2008, 05:49:31 AM
Also selected first-team running back on the 2004 AP Class 1A team was Chris Baer of Shiner, Texas .... Baer led the Comanches to a second consecutive appearance in the Class 1A Championship game in 2004 ... rushing for over 2,000 yards and scoring 41 TD's in that season.  After the AP selection was announced, Baer "only" scored 4 TD's and rushed for 128 yards on 21 carries in the State Championship game, winning 33-19.  He also had 8 tackles (2 sacks) from his MLB position and ran a kickoff back for a TD.

Baer now plays running back for the Trinity Tigers and leads the team in rushing and scoring ... for the second season in a row (so far).

Couldn't resist, could you?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 02, 2008, 09:44:12 AM
Resist what?  I don't know what you're talking about ...  ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2008, 10:41:29 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2008, 05:10:12 AM
That's not to take away from Juan Joseph's outstanding game.  It's just pointing out that not all outstanding performances can be crammed onto the TOTW. 

Thanks. Indeed, Don Hansen we're not, and we do not shy away from making tough decisions by watering down our awards, whether regional or national, weekly or annual.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2008, 12:09:34 PM
Apparently not even Don Hansen is Don Hansen any more - they haven't updated their D3 pages/blog in nearly a year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on October 02, 2008, 12:40:34 PM
Pat,
With so many fine QBs nominated each week, is it possible to add TWO QBs to the Team of the Week?  There are two RBs listed each week.  Just a suggestion.  I think that would eliminate a lot of disgust from not only myself, but from other schools each week who feel they had a good nominee.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 02, 2008, 01:24:21 PM
DePauw vs Millsaps
This game is the first SCAC headliner  played with the BIG 3 this year. I think this game carries a bit of a grudge factor since Millsaps has apparently hopped over DPU in the conference and national pollsters and roughed them up at home last year. No time for a let down for the Majors.
In many ways every game carries great weight for the Majors in order to continue building  momenteum in their attempt to build a top flight program. I think this one is a great test to really see how far along this team and program has come.
Go Majors!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2008, 03:34:08 PM
Here's a interesting blurb from the BSC site - even tho a month old:

http://www.bscsports.net/News/football/2008/9/2/fb09-02-08.asp?path=football

9/2/2008 11:18:19 PM

BIRMINGHAM, Ala. – With one game, and one win, under its belt, the Birmingham-Southern football team is working hard in preparation for its home opener against LaGrange College this Saturday at noon at Vestavia Hills High School.

"We started our weekly routine this week, which is different from last year," head coach Eddie Garfinkle said. "We cut back on the number of hours we spend with the players during the week, in order to give them more time to study. The players have Sunday off and Mondays are divided into football meetings, academic meetings, and weight lifting. Tuesday is a full pads practice. Wednesday and Thursday are shell practices (shorts and shoulder pads), and Friday is a shorts practice.

"Today was a good work day in full pads," Garfinkle continued. "We have our players from 3:30 p.m. to 6:30 p.m. during the week and that is it. As long as they come ready to work and have a great attitude, three hours is plenty."


I think Coach Garfinkle "gets" what Division III football is all about, and "gets" what Birmingham-Southern expects from its student-athletes. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 02, 2008, 04:48:23 PM
How good is the Millsaps internet broadcast ?  I have only watched one other school's last year and it was decent.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major_Fan on October 02, 2008, 05:13:50 PM
Quote from: Fripp52 on October 02, 2008, 04:48:23 PM
How good is the Millsaps internet broadcast ?  I have only watched one other school's last year and it was decent.

It's fine at home games and is usually good coverage.  The road games are the problem because we're relying on a little wireless card.  This weekend should be a good one to watch!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
QuoteDon Hansen we're not, and we do not shy away from making tough decisions by watering down our awards, whether regional or national, weekly or annual.

What team gets to put two quarterbacks on the field?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 02, 2008, 08:25:52 PM
QuoteI think Coach Garfinkle "gets" what Division III football is all about, and "gets" what Birmingham-Southern expects from its student-athletes. 

The question is, do the student-athletes???  ;)

QuoteWhat team gets to put two quarterbacks on the field?

zing!!!! good one!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 03, 2008, 02:03:47 AM
Quote from: TE4SAPS80 on October 01, 2008, 11:37:38 PM

Oh and Austin College fan who said that they are doomed to a bad season, give it some time ya'll are just 7 points from being 3-1 rather than 1-3.  I believe that next week will bring a win, and who knows winning might spread like a wildfire throughout the season.

well in some respects, 5-5 and even 4-6 isn't all that bad for us.  I mean, the 7 years before Gage got there they were a combined 25-44 and if you take away the only winning season in 2000 at 7-3 its a sad 18-41 with blowout after blowout.

So the last two of 4-6 were at least a sign of some improvement.  I would just be disappointed b/c I thought we could maybe go 6-4 and with luck better.  However from the couple games I have seen we still cannot afford to make any mistakes to win and it feels like they just haven't learned to finish games yet.  It could still come though, you are right.  I just see whats left for our schedule and see the team could really improve and still not have the record to show for it.  Unfortunately that won't help draw bigger crowds from the students and parents.  Night games would help of course but thats not happening so they need to win to get people behind them more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 03, 2008, 09:43:50 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
QuoteDon Hansen we're not, and we do not shy away from making tough decisions by watering down our awards, whether regional or national, weekly or annual.

What team gets to put two quarterbacks on the field?

Pat does anyone in DIII run that new offense?  I think it is called the A10, maybe then we can start having two QBs on the list  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 03, 2008, 09:54:25 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 02, 2008, 07:56:38 PM
QuoteDon Hansen we're not, and we do not shy away from making tough decisions by watering down our awards, whether regional or national, weekly or annual.

What team gets to put two quarterbacks on the field?

Indiana had Kellen Lewis and Ben Chappell on the field together quite a bit last Saturday against Michigan State.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2008, 01:01:22 PM
Unless they each get snapped a ball simultaneously I don't think that is what was being advocated. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 03, 2008, 06:52:23 PM
Howdy from Birmingham!  I was working in New Orleans this week and found that Birmingham was only a 5 hour drive away.  What are the odds?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2008, 07:59:05 PM
Tex, from what I hear you drive so fast that nearly any place is within five hours  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 03, 2008, 08:48:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2008, 07:59:05 PM
Tex, from what I hear you drive so fast that nearly any place is within five hours  ;)

Hmm... someone tattling on me?  I don't drive too fast, the rest of the world drives too slow.  Tex's Theory of Relativity. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2008, 09:04:12 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 03, 2008, 08:48:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2008, 07:59:05 PM
Tex, from what I hear you drive so fast that nearly any place is within five hours  ;)

Hmm... someone tattling on me?  I don't drive too fast, the rest of the world drives too slow.  Tex's Theory of Relativity. 
Google maps has New Orleans to Birmingham at 342 miles and 5 hours, 9 minutes.

I think that it may be less than 5 hours, door-to-door, because you can drive 77 MPH in the slow lane on IH-59, a straight shot from NOLA to B'ham.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 03, 2008, 09:44:55 PM
Yeah, I stopped for lunch and for gas.  :-(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 03, 2008, 10:03:35 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 03, 2008, 09:44:55 PM
Yeah, I stopped for lunch and for gas.  :-(
Only for lunch and gas?

Was that you that I saw throwing plastic bottles out the car window?   :D



Sorry guys and gals.  I am getting silly.  :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 02:30:00 PM
Birmingham-Southern is giving Trinity all they can handle.  At the half it's TU 27, BSC 20.

Chris Baer - 88 yds rushing, 12 carries, 1 TD.
Bryant Wilson - 11-16-0 135 yds, 2 TDs.
Chris Coleman, 3 rcpt, 44 yds.
Jeff Jones, 8 tackles.

Joe Thigpen - 72 yds rushing, 10 carries, 1 TD.
Joe Thigpen, 10-14-0 125 yds, 2 TDs.
Tay Walker, 4 catches, 73 yds.
Micah Baker, 5 tackles.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 04, 2008, 03:04:32 PM
Depauw is dodging bullets in the Millsaps redzone, two Major turnovers inside the 20, still 21-7 Majors with time winding down in the 2nd quarter.  Millsaps just intercepted and is driving again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 04, 2008, 03:26:24 PM
Millsaps leads Depauw at the half 35-7, waiting on first half stats to come out. 

Of note: Joseph went down on the last drive of the half for Millsaps with a leg injury, but walked off the field, don't know the extent of the injury yet. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 03:44:12 PM
Trinity plays a much better second half defensively and comes away with a 48-20 win.

Chris Baer - 135 yds, 20 carries, 2TD.
Bryant Wilson - 18-24-0 223 yds, 3 TD (plus 1 rushing TD)
Chris Coleman - 5 rcpt, 77 yd, 1TD
Jeff Jones - 10 tackles (4 solo), INT

Joe Thigpen - 70 yds, 15 carries, 1 TD
Joe Thigpen - 11/22/1, 145 yds, 2 TD
Tay Walker - 5 catches, 78 yds
Steven Wilson - 7 tackles (1 solo)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 04, 2008, 03:45:59 PM
Joseph appears to be fine and will start 2nd half.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 03:46:52 PM
Quote from: consultant on October 04, 2008, 03:45:59 PM
Joseph appears to be fine and will start 2nd half.  
After the first series of downs, I ask why?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 04, 2008, 03:54:18 PM
Ralph,
I agree...Millsaps had to punt for the first time on the afternoon.

;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 03:56:46 PM
Quote from: consultant on October 04, 2008, 03:54:18 PM
Ralph,
I agree...Millsaps had to punt for the first time on the afternoon.

;)
If Coach DuBose wants to alternate units in the 3rd qtr, then that build  depth and experience.

But, I would hate to lose my QB in the 3rd qtr of a 4 TD blowout!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 03:57:55 PM
Rhodes is surprising 3-0 WashU so far - up 21-0 with the first half running down.  Rhodes QB Ben Stottes is 5-7 for 211 yds and 2 TDs.   That's a 418 QBR in case you are wondering.

Centre leads Sewanee on the mountain, 14-10, at the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 04, 2008, 04:01:11 PM
Ralph....I completely agree....he won't play long. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 04:05:12 PM
Austin College just scored on a one yard Braly run to take a 22-17 lead at Colorado College, 11:49 to play in the game.  The two point conversion failed. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 04, 2008, 04:06:18 PM
How good is Millsaps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 04:07:05 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 04, 2008, 04:06:18 PM
How good is Millsaps?

Early indications are pretty damned good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 04, 2008, 04:10:02 PM
About 1:00 minute to go in 3rd quarter....Millsaps just scored again to go up 41-7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 04, 2008, 04:12:09 PM
Thanks Ron.  It sounds like they are very good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 04:16:39 PM
Centre scores on the opening drive to take a 21-10 lead at Sewanee.

Colorado College tries a 43-yard FG which is blocked, Austin takes over at their 29 with six minutes to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 04, 2008, 04:18:25 PM
Millsaps just scored again....48-7 over DePauw...start of 4th quarter....new quarterback in for the Majors.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 04:23:37 PM
AC's Finke picks up a fumble and returns it 36 yards for a touchdown, after the PAT the 'Roos lead Colorado College 29-17 with 3:35 remaining.

Sewanee blocks a punt deep in Centre territory, but a wobbly third down pass is picked off in the end zone.  Still 21-10 Colonels. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 04, 2008, 04:25:23 PM
Gracious....Millsaps recovered a fumble and returned for a TD...55-7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 04:36:27 PM
Austin picks off a fourth down pass in CC territory, three rushes yields yet another score.  The end can't come soon enough for Colorado College who now trail 36-17 with two minutes to play.

Rhodes has just started the second half.  The Lynx have held WashU to -5 yards rushing on the day.  WashU blocks a Rhodes punt and score on a short return, 21-7 Rhodes. 

Sewanee stops Centre on a 4th-and-1 at midfield, just about the end of the third quarter.  First play from scrimmage, allegedly complete pass that is fumbled and Centre takes over on their 18. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 04, 2008, 04:38:27 PM
this is the second straight year AC has come from behind in the second half to beat Colorado College.

We seem to have their number.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 04:46:23 PM
CC takes a timeout to call a play with 0:04 left on the AC 16, McDonald is sacked and that game is over. 

Sewanee gets yet another turnover - the Tiger defense is playing well but the Tiger offense is basically unable to do anything with the multiple chances the defense is providing.  Now in the fourth, still 21-10 Centre.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2008, 04:47:39 PM
I'm not one to normally complain about a win, but good Lord in heaven above, the Alabama zebra crew were certainly providing some home cooking in the first half.  In the first half, every time TU had a nice play, the flags came out.  BSC has some good talent, but they couldn't keep up the pressure in the 2nd half.  I don't mind them calling a tight game, but just call the game evenly.  It was at least 10-1 in the first half penalties.  

I'm not sure if it was conditioning or 2nd half adjustments by the TU coaches, but BSC wasn't much of a factor in the 2nd half.  TU's 2nd stringers came in during the 3rd Q.   Might have been the refs kept their flags in their pockets more.  

Overall it was a clean game at a beautiful minor league baseball field in Hoover.  Probably hot for the players, but the fans were treated to a cool breeze in the shade.  Perfect football weather (for the fans at least).  BSC fans were polite and friendly.  Nice day to be a TU Tiger.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2008, 04:48:45 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 04, 2008, 04:38:27 PM
this is the second straight year AC has come from behind in the second half to beat Colorado College.

We seem to have their number.

No offense or slight to Austin College, but pretty much everyone has had their (CC) number these last two years. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 04:50:57 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 04, 2008, 04:47:39 PM
I'm not one to normally complain about a win, but good Lord in heaven above, the Alabama zebra crew were certainly providing some home cooking in the first half.  In the first half, every time TU had a nice play, the flags came out.  BSC has some good talent, but they couldn't keep up the pressure in the 2nd half.  I don't mind them calling a tight game, but just call the game evenly.  It was at least 10-1 in the first half penalties.  

Penalties - TU 8-113, BSC 4-19.  Of course those were just the ones that were accepted.

Rhodes 3-and-out, WashU drives but a big 15-yd sack on second-and-goal forces WashU to setting for a FG.  21-10 Rhodes, 4:35 left in third.  The Lynx have already sacked WashU QB Buck Smith six times for a gob of yards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 04:53:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 04:50:57 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 04, 2008, 04:47:39 PM
I'm not one to normally complain about a win, but good Lord in heaven above, the Alabama zebra crew were certainly providing some home cooking in the first half.  In the first half, every time TU had a nice play, the flags came out.  BSC has some good talent, but they couldn't keep up the pressure in the 2nd half.  I don't mind them calling a tight game, but just call the game evenly.  It was at least 10-1 in the first half penalties.  

Penalties - TU 8-113, BSC 4-19.  Of course those were just the ones that were accepted.
We had the same problem at Huntingdon last season.  I thought that the officiating crew called the game philosophically different than we saw in Texas.  Some other observers of that McMurry-Huntingdon game may disagree, so I willencourage their participation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 04, 2008, 04:54:15 PM
as long as we arent the worst in conference.   ;)

its just more that its still a surprise to me when we do come from behind.

CC seems to not have very good depth b.c both of our games with them we crushed them in the second half (28-7 last year and 29-7 this)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 04:54:51 PM
Come on Rhodes!

That will be a big win for you and for the OWP/OOWP of the SCAC.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2008, 04:55:46 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 04:50:57 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 04, 2008, 04:47:39 PM
I'm not one to normally complain about a win, but good Lord in heaven above, the Alabama zebra crew were certainly providing some home cooking in the first half.  In the first half, every time TU had a nice play, the flags came out.  BSC has some good talent, but they couldn't keep up the pressure in the 2nd half.  I don't mind them calling a tight game, but just call the game evenly.  It was at least 10-1 in the first half penalties.  

Penalties - TU 8-113, BSC 4-19.  Of course those were just the ones that were accepted.

Rhodes 3-and-out, WashU drives but a big 15-yd sack on second-and-goal forces WashU to setting for a FG.  21-10 Rhodes, 4:35 left in third.  The Lynx have already sacked WashU QB Buck Smith six times for a gob of yards.

I'd be interested to see the breakdown by half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 05:13:44 PM
Rhodes gets a big INT at their own 25 to turn back another WashU threat - still lead 21-10 with 9:22 to play. 

Sewanee finally got a TD but allowed Centre a quick score, trail by now 12 with four minutes left.

?? Rhodes goes for it (fails) on a 4th-and-13 at midfield, Wash U takes over w/7:25 left. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 05:16:56 PM
Rhodes is up 21-10 with 9:00 left in the fourth.

The Lynx intercepted a Bear pass on 4th a 4 on the Rhodes 26 and returned it to the Lynx 38.

They have now a 2 play 22 yd drive going, under 9 minutes left.

4th donw and 12 from midfield.  Punt not used, and Lynx only gets 5 yds on 4th down.

Bear ball on their own 45, 6:44 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AF4 on October 04, 2008, 05:18:47 PM
the refs at Huntington last and this yr are from Gulf South Conference (D-2), i do not no about BSC


keep the faith

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 05:21:04 PM
Rhodes returns an INT 52 yds and now lead WashU 28-10, 6:20 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 05:23:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 04, 2008, 05:21:04 PM
Rhodes returns an INT 52 yds and now lead WashU 28-10, 6:20 to play.
This is an in-region game for the Bears.  With only 2 Pool B bids, they might have been knocked out with this loss.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 05:29:58 PM
Rhodes INT by Hilley on the Lynx 5 yd line!  3:43 left.

1 & 10 for the Lynx.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 05:37:10 PM
WASH MO Ball on Rhodes 39;  2:42 left

1 -- incomplete
2 -- incomplete
3 -- completion 12 yds to 26

1 & 10 on the Rhodes 26.  Incomplete
2 --  4yd pass to Sherman
3 --  Incomplete
4 -- Incomplete

Lynx ball.  1:18 left.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 05:40:04 PM
Lynx win!  28-10 over the Bears!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 04, 2008, 06:09:30 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity's 1st Half Penalties and BSC Stat Sheet Errors)


I counted either 107 or 108 yards in penalties for Trinity in the 1st Half. That would leave 5 or 6 yards in penalties for the Tigers in the 2nd Half!

Also, the BSC Stat Sheet has confused Robert Davidson SO QB with Johnny Landino SO DB; as well as confusing Kyle Lewis SO RB with Brandon Grenier SR DB. Davidson and Landino both are listed as wearing #16 and Lewis and Grenier both are listed as wearing #24; they however are not on the field at the same time as one plays "O" and the other "D".

Good win, "O" cranked-up in the 3rd Qtr and the "Black Flag" really made it's presence known in the entire 2nd Half. As in years past; four games are in the books and the team is just about where it needs to be.


                                                                          :)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on October 04, 2008, 07:33:37 PM
CONGRATS to Rhodes on the Suprise win, I'll will even admit that they proved me wrong this week.  Just like I said though, never count them out. Also Congrats to Millsaps on the big statement over DePauw, they continue to amaze me.  I watched the whole game online, and they were dominant on both sides of the field.  DePauw's only scores came from a long chunk and on the last play of the game.  Most people can't help but look at the great offense, but the defense might be all the more amazing when you think about how others have faired against them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 04, 2008, 07:34:46 PM
Worst loss This ties the worst loss for DePauw in 12 years. They lost to Albion in 1996 by a 51-9 score. 

I don't think they played very well today, obviously, but even if they did, I don't know how much of chance they had against Millsaps.  Very rare you see Spud go something like 8-23.  He's much more accurate than that.

Millsaps is a REALLY good football team.  Like Top 10 good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 04, 2008, 10:52:19 PM
"How good is Millsaps" is a very good question.  Last year the Millsaps Men's Basketball team gave eventual national champions Washington a tough game on the Bearcats home court before losing in the final 8.  This came just a couple of years after the 2006 Millsaps baseball team was one out away from making the D3 World Series.  I guess it isn't farfetched to think that the Millsaps football team might be good enough to be included in the discussion about national championship contenders, but I don't have the knowledge needed to give a confident opinion.

Maybe the answer to the Millsaps question revolves around the question of how good has the Millsaps competition been this season:

-----The biggest question involves the trio of MS College, Louisiana College and Hardin-Simmons.  Are these schools somewhat comparable since HSU beat MS College 35-27 and LA College 36-28, and then MS College beat LA College 21-19?  It seems like these teams are all competitive, with HSU being about a TD better.  And as you know, HSU gave UMHB a pretty good game today. 

-----If MS College is a pretty good team, then it is impressive that Millsaps beat them 42-6.  I know it was the first game of the year, it was a rivalry game, and MC has converted from a passing team to a running team in mid-season, but MC was considered at top-25 team at the time.

-----If LA College is a pretty good team, then maybe Rhodes isn't such a bad team despite the 49-2 loss to Millsaps.  Afterall, Rhodes only lost at LA College 14-3, they beat Birmingham-Southern 35-7, and today they beat a previously unbeaten Washington U. team 28-10.  Take away the Millsaps game and their season looks fairly good.

-----Then you have today's DePauw game.  Millsaps led 35-7 at the half and they had fumbled away a scoring opportunity at the DePauw 5-yard line and they had dropped a 1-yard pass in the end zone on 4th and goal.  Millsaps had 456 yards of total offense at the half against a team that was undefeated and considered to be a fairly solid team.

If you ignored the Millsaps game on their schedule, I think most folks would say that MS College, LA College, and Rhodes are having good seasons.  Millsaps has won these games by a combined score of 146-21 with Juan Joseph only playing in the 4th quarter for one series in these 3 games (that was at Rhodes when Millsaps could only dress 52 players).  Are there other teams in the nation that would have done the same?  Probably yes, but how many teams is the question. 

It's an interesting discussion but as we all know it comes down to Millsaps continuing to improve throughout the season and then winning at Trinity in November.  That should be one heck of a game.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 04, 2008, 11:02:32 PM
Had to drag my family away from the beach today to make the last quarter of the Depauw/Millsaps game.

Juan Joseph had left the game late in the first half and Spud Dick went out late in the third quarter.  Both had gotten a good lick - and I hope both, who are fine athletes, will be back in full swing next week.

Joseph had gone 33 of 43 before leaving the game with a 35-7 lead at the half.  Millsaps had 590 yards of offense with 200 coming on the ground.

Also, watch out for Burt Perreira, last week's SCAC Offensive Player of the week, who after today has now rushed for TD, and also thrown and caught TD passes during the first half of the season.

One of the busiest kickers in the SCAC, Taylor Russolino had his first PAT miss today, going 7 for 8 on the game.

I've definitely seen Depauw play better games, but what I think we were seeing was a Millsaps defense with a lot of depth maturing as it moves into the second half of the season.

I agree with Wes; this is a GOOD football team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 04, 2008, 11:09:07 PM
Please remember that the Rhodes LC game was played in the remnants of Hurricane Ike and rescheduled to Sunday.

The field was a mud pit that day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 04, 2008, 11:15:27 PM
That Oct. 18 Depauw-Trinity game should shed some light as well...

You've got to be elated these days with two teams from SCAC and ASC both doing so well ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2008, 11:48:15 PM
Quote from: etg on October 04, 2008, 06:09:30 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity's 1st Half Penalties and BSC Stat Sheet Errors)


I counted either 107 or 108 yards in penalties for Trinity in the 1st Half. That would leave 5 or 6 yards in penalties for the Tigers in the 2nd Half!

Also, the BSC Stat Sheet has confused Robert Davidson SO QB with Johnny Landino SO DB; as well as confusing Kyle Lewis SO RB with Brandon Grenier SR DB. Davidson and Landino both are listed as wearing #16 and Lewis and Grenier both are listed as wearing #24; they however are not on the field at the same time as one plays "O" and the other "D".

Good win, "O" cranked-up in the 3rd Qtr and the "Black Flag" really made it's presence known in the entire 2nd Half. As in years past; four games are in the books and the team is just about where it needs to be.


                                                                          :)




One of the parents reminded me in the airport, it was pretty much the same ref that nearly all the penalties in the first half.  Ironically enough, he happened to be the side line guy that was right in front of the BSC bench.  He got an ear full the entire half.  I'm not sure, but I think he was on the TU side for the 2nd half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2008, 11:56:19 PM
In our last two games, Trinity has come out and blown up after half time.  I'm not sure if it's better conditioning or if our coaches are just making really really good halftime adjustments.  Maybe a mix of both?  BSC kept shuttling in D-linemen during the 2nd half and they looked pretty tired.  It wasn't warm in the stands, sitting in the shade with a breeze blowing.  But, it looked pretty warm on the field. 

Unfortunately, Trinity had a 90+ yard kick off return called back on a holding penalty.  Admittedly, I never even saw the flag tossed until after the player hit the endzone.  I have no idea if it was a legit call or not.  But, it was a fantastic runback that was negated. 

I am seeing the effects of travel on the visiting teams in the SCAC.  There is a very real home field advantage due to travel. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 05, 2008, 01:01:21 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 04, 2008, 07:34:46 PM
Worst loss This ties the worst loss for DePauw in 12 years. They lost to Albion in 1996 by a 51-9 score. 

I don't think they played very well today, obviously, but even if they did, I don't know how much of chance they had against Millsaps.  Very rare you see Spud go something like 8-23.  He's much more accurate than that.

Millsaps is a REALLY good football team.  Like Top 10 good.

Wes,
  Like I said earlier this season after seeing Millsaps in the opener, I thought they would be a top ten team and have an easy time with a SCAC schedule. I'm not sure how high I'd put them because I haven't looked around the nation much this year. I think they  would struggle against last year's UMHB team, but that was a consensus top 3 team. After seeing the UMHB-HSU score from today, they are probably right there with this year's Cru team.

   I wouldn't use MS College to compare scores because there have been too many changes in our team, and it's not a good gauge comparing them to other teams, but I think Millsaps is significantly better than HSU right now. That could change as the season goes along. UMHB is a bit down and they've had a few big injuries already, so they are vulnerable. I don't know how the rest of the South Region is doing, but I would not be surprised if the Majors are the top team this year.

   One other thing to consider is that a negative perception of the SCAC has hurt this year's Millsaps team as well in the polls. SCAC teams have lost in the 1st round of the playoffs by an average score of 35-10 the last four years including three Trinity losses to UMHB by scores of 32-13, 35-6 and 52-23 last year. Though Trinity is undefeated right now, they have been unimpressive. I think Millsaps runs the table and handles Trinity by a couple touchdowns as long as they don't get bored with inferior opponents and overlook someone good enough to give them a game.

   This year's Millsaps team in my opinion is the best the SCAC has produced since Trinity's run in 2002 and I could certainly see them slotted somewhere between #5-10. I would like to see a Millsaps-UMHB matchup. On paper this UMHB team is a notch or two below their last 2-3 teams, but I'm sure they still have a solid team and that could be a very good game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 05, 2008, 11:43:41 AM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on October 05, 2008, 01:01:21 AM
This year's Millsaps team in my opinion is the best the SCAC has produced since Trinity's run in 2002 and I could certainly see them slotted somewhere between #5-10. I would like to see a Millsaps-UMHB matchup. On paper this UMHB team is a notch or two below their last 2-3 teams, but I'm sure they still have a solid team and that could be a very good game.

I agree with that.  I know a lot of Millsaps fans aren't putting the cart in front of the horse quite yet, proverbially speaking. That being said, if I were a Millsaps fan, I'd really start pulling for Hardin-Simmons and/or Trinity to make the playoffs.  That'll keep Millsaps away from Belton (or the Cru away from Jackson, either way) for at least a couple of rounds.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2008, 12:58:25 PM
Wes,

Not sure that would be the case if 9-1 HSU and Trinity both get in (in addition to undefeated UMHB and Millsaps).  The AA would probably send Trinity to HSU and match up UMHB and Millsaps in the first round.  UMHB and Millsaps are within the 500 mile "no fly" zone (if the AA can read maps better this year), so both flights and first-round conference rematches would be avoided.  HSU is > 500 miles away from Millsaps as, I believe, is TU.

Fairness would be avoided, too, but the AA threw that old canard away a long time ago.

If only HSU gets in, the AA probably sends the Cowboys back to Belton and finds someone else to send to Millsaps. 

I still have hope that Trinity will be the one coming out on top in the SCAC, but watching the Majors destroy teams week in and week out certainly makes it seem less likely.  Stranger things have happened, tho.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2008, 01:07:11 PM
Also, Rhodes' upset yesterday puts them back into the picture, if not for the SCAC championship then a possible spoiler for the rest of the teams in the conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 05, 2008, 02:04:42 PM
Good point.  Didn't think about that.  So maybe they only want one of them to get in.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on October 05, 2008, 03:30:41 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2008, 12:58:25 PM
I still have hope that Trinity will be the one coming out on top in the SCAC, but watching the Majors destroy teams week in and week out certainly makes it seem less likely.  Stranger things have happened, tho.   ;)

Ron,
    It's hard to compare teams without any film or having seen them in person, but on paper this year's Millsaps team is head and shoulders above the rest of the SCAC. But, pride and tradition are huge with programs like Trinity and I'm sure they aren't going to roll over and die with that home winning streak on the line. It should be an interesting game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 05, 2008, 06:08:43 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Chris Brooks "opens" the prediction process for Millsaps at Trinity on Nov. 1st)


Chris, Ron, Wes and Tex,

Chris predicts Millsaps by a couple of touchdowns (guess that means 12-14 points). I would never again "open" this process myself (I did last year), but since it is now open here goes: Trinity by 17. Yes, the same 17 point spread for the Tigers that I predicted last year. I did miss by 13 points in 2007, but what a miss!

Go "O", go "Black Flag"; both will be ready.

OK, you four, fire at-will.


                                                                      :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 05, 2008, 07:05:28 PM
QuoteI've definitely seen Depauw play better games, but what I think we were seeing was a Millsaps defense with a lot of depth maturing as it moves into the second half of the season.

I agree with Wes; this is a GOOD football team.

Milsaps is a VERY good football team. I felt going in to yesterday's game, the Tigers would have to play a flawless or near-flawless game to win. Depauw certainly didn't play their best football and they are fighting some injuries...but I don't know that they would have won playing a perfect game. That's no slight on DePauw...I just think Millsaps is very, very good. The Tigers' problems yesterday  were due to a quick, athletic and talented Majors team.  The offense, led by Juan Joseph, is incredible and defensively the Majors used some good schemes and quickness to cause some real chaos.

I appreciate Millsaps fans wanting to downplay expectations....but you all have one fine football team on your hands.

As for the Tigers....the margin puts an exclamation point on the defeat...but they will be just fine...I expect yesterday to provide some lessons and motivation for will be a great season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 05, 2008, 07:16:22 PM
Okay!  Time to engage the anti-Millsaps psy-ops!   :D

Millsaps is the best team in the country! 

Joseph is a shoo-in for All-American!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 05, 2008, 07:58:18 PM
I'd like to point out that there aren't any Millsaps fans assuming a 10-0 season and asking questions about who we'll be playing in the 1st round of the playoffs.  After last year, I'm sure the coaches and the players are not thinking that winning out the rest of the way is just a formality.

In case anyone is thinking that a Millsaps win is automatic, they might want to think back to the 2000 football season.  That was the year Trinty beat Wesley College and Bridgewater in the NCAA Tournament before losing to Hardin-Simmons 33-30.  That was also the year that Trinity came to Jackson to face a Millsaps team that was 4-5 overall and only 1-4 in the SCAC.  Millsaps won that game 35-28. 

It is safe to say that the 2008 Trinity team is far better than the 2000 Millsaps team, and the Trinity team that won two playoff games in 2000 must have been pretty darn good.  If Millsaps could win at home against Trinity in 2000, then there's no doubt that Trinity can win at home against Millsaps in 2008.  I'll agree with everyone who is saying that Millsaps is a very good football team, but they still have some work to do and some hurdles to clear if they want to get to 10-0 and host a playoff game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 05, 2008, 08:02:34 PM
Man, Frank, as good as this Millsaps team is, the only hope that we fans in this part of the country have is to get Millsaps over-confident.  When you guys start getting serious, and we don't hear any trash-talking, then we know that your serious about this stuff.

We can't have that! ;)

Now c'mon!  We all know that the Majors are secretly hoping to get revenge in Stevens.  McMurry couldn't break that streak!  Can the Majors?   :D  :D   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 05, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
Yes ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 05, 2008, 09:22:40 PM
Quote from: LA Major on October 05, 2008, 09:19:47 PM
Yes ;D
C'mon!  Give us more than a "yes"! 

That is too understated! 

How about some chanting!

BREAK THE STREAK!
BREAK THE STREAK!
BREAK THE STREAK!

:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 05, 2008, 10:57:22 PM
To hear some talk, the rest of the SCAC should just quit playing and hand the crown to Millsaps. 

I have never seen Milsaps play, but I've seen the scores and read some of the stories.  I betting (based on the game last year) that the teams are pretty evenly matched in general. 

So, with that said, I give the nod to TU, based solely on the home field advantage.  I travel extensively for a living. No one at my house seems to understand when I come home from a quick trip and complain about being tired.  Traveling just sucks the energy out of me quite often.  Granted I'm an old guy at 47, not 18-22.  But, I think maybe most of you have likely experienced travel fatigue. 

It really didn't hit me until I traveled with TU to CC and BSC.  Such a large conference geographically is a real challenge.   I won't try to predict the score, sorry El Tea!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2008, 11:54:07 PM
I looked at the scores of the first three SCAC games Millsaps has played, and the last three games Trinity played (two SCAC, one not).  Millsaps has increased their margin of victory iover last year by 10 points per game; Trinity, one.  The HFA in EM Stevens is about ... ten points.  So it should be a very good game when the time comes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 06, 2008, 05:38:08 AM
Quote from: etg on October 05, 2008, 06:08:43 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Chris Brooks "opens" the prediction process for Millsaps at Trinity on Nov. 1st)


Chris, Ron, Wes and Tex,

Chris predicts Millsaps by a couple of touchdowns (guess that means 12-14 points). I would never again "open" this process myself (I did last year), but since it is now open here goes: Trinity by 17. Yes, the same 17 point spread for the Tigers that I predicted last year. I did miss by 13 points in 2007, but what a miss!

Go "O", go "Black Flag"; both will be ready.

OK, you four, fire at-will.


                                                                      :)


While not a regular on this board, I find it hard to believe Trinity even scoring 17 points on this Millsaps defense much less winning by 17. After last year in Jackson, I expect Millsaps to be ready to put that fluke to bed....Period. Travel will have no effect on Millsaps as this trip is the mission of 2008. Expect "No Mercy" from the Majors from Jackson. Lets hope Trinity spent that $100K on gauze and bandages because they will need it........!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 06, 2008, 06:12:37 AM
To add to what Tex and Ron have mentioned, I'll point out that the coaching staff has never taken a team to Trinity.  That doesn't sound like a big deal, but things never run quite as smooth on a first trip to a town and stadium.

The bigger deal is that Millsaps will be outnumber on the field because of the 52 player travel limit in the SCAC (just as Trinity was outnumbered last year).  You take 44 players for a 1st and 2nd string offense and defense, throw in a punter and a kicker, and you only have 6 players left over on the bench.  Do you take less linemen so you can add more receivers?  Do you dress a guy with a nagging injury or do you dress a guy who might not be quite as good but he is 100% healthy?  I remember times when Millsaps didn't have 52 players, but this is a rule that does weaken the current Millsaps team during conference road games since they have more than 52 quality players.

I think it is important to remember that Millsaps and Trinity both need to plan on being 9-1 at the worst so they need to focus on other things at the moment.  Millsaps has the game to Centre, one of those games that could be like Trinity going to Rhodes last year if Millsaps decides to just mail in the effort.  Trinity hosts Rhodes and DePauw over the next two weekends, teams that have played well outside of the Millsaps games.  I expect Trinity to win those games but stranger things have happened, especially when a team is thinking about a game coming up instead of the game at hand.  There's still some football to be played in October.

(and I see that while I was typing this, Ralph got his wish of some trash talking from the Millsaps side--I'm sure it will become a lively debate over the next 4 weeks.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 06, 2008, 07:20:57 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 06, 2008, 06:12:37 AM
...

(and I see that while I was typing this, Ralph got his wish of some trash talking from the Millsaps side--I'm sure it will become a lively debate over the next 4 weeks.)
:D :D :D
Just gonna have fun with this one!
:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 06, 2008, 08:44:05 AM
All in good fun. I actually learned to trash talk on Car forums....FWIW
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 06, 2008, 08:46:17 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 06, 2008, 08:44:05 AM
All in good fun. I actually learned to trash talk on Car forums....FWIW

So I may not last long in a heated football debate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on October 06, 2008, 10:13:39 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2008, 11:54:07 PM
I looked at the scores of the first three SCAC games Millsaps has played, and the last three games Trinity played (two SCAC, one not).  Millsaps has increased their margin of victory iover last year by 10 points per game; Trinity, one.  The HFA in EM Stevens is about ... ten points.  So it should be a very good game when the time comes.
A wise man once told me " It only takes one point to win."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2008, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 06, 2008, 06:12:37 AM
The bigger deal is that Millsaps will be outnumber on the field because of the 52 player travel limit in the SCAC (just as Trinity was outnumbered last year).  You take 44 players for a 1st and 2nd string offense and defense, throw in a punter and a kicker, and you only have 6 players left over on the bench.  Do you take less linemen so you can add more receivers?  Do you dress a guy with a nagging injury or do you dress a guy who might not be quite as good but he is 100% healthy?  I remember times when Millsaps didn't have 52 players, but this is a rule that does weaken the current Millsaps team during conference road games since they have more than 52 quality players.

Well, whether it's fair or not, the team will have to learn how to make a 52-man roster if it goes to the playoffs so it might as well practice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 06, 2008, 11:11:01 AM
 :D

Summarizing the recent posts by MajorDad and Frank Ezelle, it seems that the 52-man roster may mean that Millsaps won't be able to start playing the 3rd and 4th stringers by the start of the second half of the Trinity game.

I hope that there aren't any comments about "running up the score"!   :D :D :D

This is gonna be fun to watch!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 06, 2008, 11:32:50 AM
Good point Pat, but I don't think Trinity will only dress 52 on Nov. 1st so they can get prepared for the NCAA. :) ;) :D  (and let me repeat what I've mentioned already--namely that Millsaps had the numbers advantage in 2007.  I'm not sure if they had the numbers advantage in 2006 because I doubt they had 52 healthy players by that point in the season.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 06, 2008, 12:37:48 PM
Millsaps has moved to #12 in this weeks D3 poll and it appears that Trinity isn't going to move up much in the polls in October even if they continue to win and play well.  That's just an observation and not any attempt at a putdown of Trinity, nor is it second guessing of the D3 poll voters.

Trinity has won by scores of 48-18, 24-0, 35-10, and 48-20.  There's certainly nothing wrong with those results but their ranking from preseason to now has been 20-22-21-21-19-19.  That's an increase from just #20 to #19 from preseason to now even though 6 teams that were ranked ahead of them in the preseason have now fallen behind Trinity (Bethel, S. John's, Central, St. John Fisher, Ohio Northern, Ithaca).  In a case like this it would not be unusual for Trinity to be more like #15 or #16 at this point in the season.

My guess is that the Trinity coaches, players and fans don't mind this lack of respect from the voters at this point in time, using it instead as extra motivation.  Personally, I think 3 more wins in October will put Trinity at about #15 on November 1.  I'm not sure if Millsaps will move much higher if they win out in October--I think voters might be waiting on the Trinity game to see if Millsaps plays like a top 10 team.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 06, 2008, 01:50:12 PM
Now that I've spoken my silliness, honestly, I don't know how this MC/TU game will turn out. I do know, after talking to many of the MC players that endured that debacle in Jackson last year that they are very hungry for a rematch. Also what I do know, aside from the Miss college game, these players have been having fun, alot of it. Having fun allows them NOT to look forward to the TU game until it's time. I believe the coachs are doing a good job of keeping these guys focused only in the week they are currently living in, and no further. I plan to travel to Texas for this game as do a good deal of the faithful fan base. Barring injuries on both sides, this will be the game to see in the SCAC this year, bar none, especially if we are both X-0......
Personally, College Game Day went to a DIII game last year, why not this year, in Texas. With the exposure that game got all over TV, especially ESPN, it's doable. But who am I kidding, with FLA/GA and Texas/TTU playing that weekend, it's just a dream......right?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 06, 2008, 02:07:10 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 06, 2008, 01:50:12 PM
Now that I've spoken my silliness, honestly, I don't know how this MC/TU game will turn out. I do know, after talking to many of the MC players that endured that debacle in Jackson last year that they are very hungry for a rematch. Also what I do know, aside from the Miss college game, these players have been having fun, alot of it. Having fun allows them NOT to look forward to the TU game until it's time. I believe the coachs are doing a good job of keeping these guys focused only in the week they are currently living in, and no further. I plan to travel to Texas for this game as do a good deal of the faithful fan base. Barring injuries on both sides, this will be the game to see in the SCAC this year, bar none, especially if we are both X-0......
Personally, College Game Day went to a DIII game last year, why not this year, in Texas. With the exposure that game got all over TV, especially ESPN, it's doable. But who am I kidding, with FLA/GA and Texas/TTU playing that weekend, it's just a dream......right?

MajorDad,

While it would be awesome continued national exposure for the schools, the SCAC and DIII, I don't think the rivarly merits any visit from Corso and the boys just yet.  While it has grown exciting over the last couple of seasons, this is a series dominated by Trinity over the past 10-15 years.  The game they did last year in CT was based on the history and rivarly between the two schools involved. 

On another note, I am not taking Ralph's bait, I will opine on the Trinity/Millsaps game the week of, after seeing Joseph go down toward the end of the first half last week and one key linemen also going down with a leg injury, there is a lot of football to be played until the first weekend in November and depth will be something to watch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2008, 03:08:41 PM
I think the lack of progress for Trinity in the polls reflects that the team hasn't gotten past the first round for a long time now, and results to date don't show that is likely to change.   Voters are skeptical, and who can blame them.  Combine that with the progress shown by Millsaps over the last three years, the resurgence of Hardin-Simmons as a factor this season, and it's understandable.  And even with Rhodes suddenly returning from the grave, appearances are the SCAC is Millsaps and the Seven Dwarves.

Appearances, as they say, can be deceiving.  Like most here,  I have way too much respect for Coach Mohr and the staff to write them off, especially given that they are playing in the Twilight Zone friendly confines of EM Stevens Field.   I didn't think they'd be in the game last year, not even as close as it was before the last play, and until the two teams get on the field there's no telling what the final outcome will be. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 06, 2008, 03:12:58 PM
Quote from: exmajor on October 06, 2008, 02:07:10 PM
...
On another note, I am not taking Ralph's bait, I will opine on the Trinity/Millsaps game the week of, after seeing Joseph go down toward the end of the first half last week and one key linemen also going down with a leg injury, there is a lot of football to be played until the first weekend in November and depth will be something to watch.

Wisdom of a veteran poster...   ;)

It has been fun to watch the ascendance of Millsaps over the last 2-3 seasons.  It has made for a more lively board.

The ASC board is almost dead with the exception of the HSU-UMHB week and then the lead-up to the post-season.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 06, 2008, 03:39:07 PM
Quote from: exmajor on October 06, 2008, 02:07:10 PM

MajorDad,

While it would be awesome continued national exposure for the schools, the SCAC and DIII, I don't think the rivarly merits any visit from Corso and the boys just yet.  While it has grown exciting over the last couple of seasons, this is a series dominated by Trinity over the past 10-15 years.  The game they did last year in CT was based on the history and rivarly between the two schools involved. 


Oh, I don't know ... I think "The Miracle Revisited" might be enough to spin off ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 06, 2008, 05:39:04 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on October 06, 2008, 03:39:07 PM
Quote from: exmajor on October 06, 2008, 02:07:10 PM

MajorDad,

While it would be awesome continued national exposure for the schools, the SCAC and DIII, I don't think the rivarly merits any visit from Corso and the boys just yet.  While it has grown exciting over the last couple of seasons, this is a series dominated by Trinity over the past 10-15 years.  The game they did last year in CT was based on the history and rivarly between the two schools involved. 


Oh, I don't know ... I think "The Miracle Revisited" might be enough to spin off ...

Agree
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on October 06, 2008, 07:38:49 PM
I've always been one to compare games and stats.  So here goes.  Ever since the "Mississippi Miracle" Coach Dubose and the Majors have been drumming teams by close to 50 points a game, with the exception of Belhaven.  It might have been a miracle last year for Trinity to pull out the win, I think this year the only thing keeping Trinity from needing more than a Miracle is the fact of home field advantage.  The 52 man roster thing can be a factor, but from what I have seen so far, I would hate to see Millsaps 1st string defense on the field the whole game.  Considering not 1 (MC two field goals), not 2 (Austin TD on 3rd String), but 3 (Rhodes Safety) of the 5 opponents have not scored on Millsaps 1st defense, and subtract a long tossup from DePauw, that would make 4.
Now lets talk offense, Millsaps first string offense has not finished a game either in the past five.  Juan has not gotten much reckognition this year, but I believe that could be partially due to only playing three quarters a game.  Imagine if he gets four where his stats are at.
Trinity fans I have watched Millsaps play, every game this season, trust me this is not close to being the same team as last year.  It is almost like whatever happened at the game last season set off a switch.  I am in the process of booking my two night stay in San Antonio for that weekend, I plan to see a game that both teams will never forget.  My prediction is that Saps wins by at least three touchdowns, and that the Trinity offense maybe scores once.  I believe that Millsaps is everybit of a number 12 team and probably even top 5 this season.  Let's not forget they handed a fairly good DePauw team their largest loss in a pretty long time.
If I am wrong come Nov. 2nd I will eat my words ;D, and I will look foward to the rematch that will possibly come in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 06, 2008, 10:42:28 PM

All this talk is making my palms sweaty.  Could we really lose at home to a SCAC team?  Millsaps definitely looks superior at this point.  As we saw in Jackson, all streaks must eventually come to an end, and if Trinity's streak of conference home wins does end this year, I would rather it be to a team of the Majors' caliber than any other.  We could put these Majors up there with UMHB, or Asuza Pacific, or maybe even the Pacific Lutheran team of 1999.  One thing I will say about those, the only teams that have won at Trinity in the last 15 years, is that they had muscle offenses.  Millsaps definitely scores with speed and accuracy.  But the fourth year starter at quarterback still gives Millsaps a tremendous advantage.  I do remember little Juan's first trip to the Alamo city.  Despite the 41-0 score, I remember being impressed with how well he threw the ball in the face of a rush. 

In any case, I know either team has a legitimate shot to win...their next few ball games going into the big one. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 06, 2008, 11:00:11 PM
Here's an observation to keep chew on for a bit.  I was on the sidelines a few years ago with a team that was constantly knocking folks out week after week by huge margins.  So much so, the Head Coach put in lots of subs very early every 2nd half, sometimes halfway thru the 2nd Quarter.  By the end of the season, when the TX 5A playoffs came, that team never learned how to play 4 complete quarters.  Yes, they were in great shape, but they pretty much hadn't been tested all season.  So in the playoffs, they got bushwhacked by a team that had to scratch and claw most of their way through their district, finishing as that district's 4th place team.

It's a bitter pill to swallow.  So, there's something to say for having faced down adversity during the season and overcoming it.  Knowing you can do it.  Developing something quite special in the process. 

I for one am really enjoying my son's freshman season, week by week, as it unfolds.  As we saw last year in two of MC's games and in TU's regular season loss, anything can happen and often does. 

As they say, "on any given saturday..." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2008, 11:52:31 AM
The latest AFCA poll (http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1598246) is out.  South region teams:

3.  UMHB
6.  Muhlenberg
9.  Wash & Jeff
11.  Millsaps
12.  Trinity
15.  Wesley
17.  Hardin-Simmons
20.  Salisbury
22.  Hampden-Sydney

ARV:  CNU, DePauw (!)
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 11:53:15 AM
And Catholic and Emory & Henry, even more shocking.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 07, 2008, 11:56:08 AM
and congratulations to this week's SCAC Players-of-the-Week!

SCAC Football Offensive Players-of-the-Week
(For games played Saturday, Oct. 4th)


TYLER OSTERMAN OF CENTRE COLLEGE, a 6-1, 180-pound first-year quarterback from Monroe, Ohio, and JUAN JOSEPH OF MILLSAPS COLLEGE, a 6-1, 188-pound senior quarterback from Edgard, La., have been named the SCAC Football Co-Offensive Players-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 4.

Osterman accounted for 345 of Centre's 363 total yards (95%) in the Colonels 28-16 win at Sewanee. He completed 18 of 29 passes for 239 yards and two touchdowns and also rushed for 106 yards on 24 carries (4.4 yards per carry). 

Joseph accounted for 410 of Millsaps' 590 total yards of offense in a 55-13 home win over DePauw. He connected on 33 of 43 passes for 345 yards, to go along with two touchdown passes. Joseph also rushed for 65 yards and two touchdowns including a 46 yard scamper in the second quarter.


SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week
(For games played Saturday, Oct. 4th)


DESMOND HENDRICKS OF RHODES COLLEGE, a 6-3, 223-pound senior linebacker from Chattanooga, Tenn., has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 4.

Hendricks tallied 13 tackles (seven solo), 7.5 tackles for loss, 4.5 sacks, and forced two fumbles in Rhodes' 28-10 win over Washington (Mo.).

His 7.5 tackles for loss established a new SCAC single-game record and was one short of the NCAA Division III record of 8.5. The former conference mark was held by Dylan Tarr of Rose-Hulman, who had 6.5 tackles for loss against Millsaps on Oct. 18, 2003. Hendricks' 4.5 sacks also tied an SCAC single-game record.


SCAC Football Special Teams Player-of-the-Week
(For games played Saturday, Oct. 4th)


NED MCCASTER OF CENTRE COLLEGE
, a 5-8, 170-pound sophomore kick returner from Spring Hill, Tenn., has been selected the SCAC Football Special Teams Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 4.

McCaster averaged 39 yards per kickoff, including an 88-yard kickoff return for a touchdown in the fourth quarter in Centre's 28-16 win at Sewanee. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 10:19:00 PM
Last week's message board posts really put me in an awkward position. I am looking at this week's Team of the Week nominations and Joseph is probably the best qualified quarterback, but I really hate being put in the spot where it looks like I chose him because there were complaints from Millsaps people.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 07, 2008, 10:56:21 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 10:19:00 PM
Last week's message board posts really put me in an awkward position. I am looking at this week's Team of the Week nominations and Joseph is probably the best qualified quarterback, but I really hate being put in the spot where it looks like I chose him because there were complaints from Millsaps people.  :-\

You've lost all credibility with me.   ;D  In all seriousness, I'm not sure anyone really reads this particular SCAC post other than the 20 or so regular posters.  No worries, give your awards to anyone you damn well choose. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2008, 10:58:50 PM
What were the odds in Vegas on Millsaps/DePauw?

The SCAC pick'ems was pegged at Millsaps by 17.5 and that vote went 6-2 Millsaps.

It was the worst pasting of DePauw in years!

I think that there is ample evidence that he was a legitimate candidate! :)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 07, 2008, 11:24:06 PM
Pat
Hey it's OK to place him in that slot on the TOTW. He has earned the nod on this and other weeks. We won't hold it against you. ;D 
Just like #11's O-line we got your back. It might also be a chance to credit the O-line also. Just an idea for contemplation.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 11:31:21 PM
Unless you're looking at all of the nominations, I am not sure you know what weeks he earned it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2008, 12:04:46 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 07, 2008, 10:19:00 PM
Last week's message board posts really put me in an awkward position. I am looking at this week's Team of the Week nominations and Joseph is probably the best qualified quarterback, but I really hate being put in the spot where it looks like I chose him because there were complaints from Millsaps people.  :-\

If Joseph is the best-qualified candidate than whether or not a few posters here questioned last week's pick is fairly irrelevant.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 08, 2008, 12:23:56 AM
I agree. But I don't want athletic departments to think that this is the way to get their guy selected.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 08, 2008, 12:50:22 AM
Athletic departments have more to worry about (or should, anyway) than a student-athlete who gets named to a National Team of the Week.  Trust me on that one. 

The student-athlete shouldn't be awarded or slighted based on the message board comments of an SID whose job it is to promote his team's success.  Let's award the student-athlete for a game well played if he's so deserving above the rest.  In this case, if Joseph deserves the nod, you should have no worries about honoring him.  If he's not , he's going to go out on Saturday and compete just the same.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 08, 2008, 02:08:35 PM
Joseph was clearly the deserving winner. Period. You made the right call. If folks don't like it, too bad. Goes with the territory.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fb52 on October 08, 2008, 02:41:57 PM
Quote from: consultant on October 08, 2008, 12:50:22 AM
Athletic departments have more to worry about (or should, anyway) than a student-athlete who gets named to a National Team of the Week.  Trust me on that one. 

The student-athlete shouldn't be awarded or slighted based on the message board comments of an SID whose job it is to promote his team's success.  Let's award the student-athlete for a game well played if he's so deserving above the rest.  In this case, if Joseph deserves the nod, you should have no worries about honoring him.  If he's not , he's going to go out on Saturday and compete just the same.

You tell em Carl!!!


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 08, 2008, 07:55:01 PM
I have been around D3 for 3 years now and truly appreciate the passion for the players,coaches, schools, families and fans. This website is a joy particularly at 4 or 5 AM when my age catches up with me. This is a great forum. I love D3  football and I am hooked.

Pat you run a pro shop here and don't need to feel the need to defend yourself to anyone with your picks.

My son is not playing anymore but I am so proud of these kids and remain committed to them and the coaching staff for what they are building in Jackson. I went to the game last weekend and was very impressed with the ongoing development of the players in all three phases of the game. Millsaps is deep and talented. Juan has improved his game. I really admire  the gifted person who works harder to develop their skills then leads others to the same. That is what Juan has done his season.

Thanks Pat for your nod to Juan this week for his hard work and grit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2008, 11:25:51 PM
Congratulations to Rhodes' Desmond Hendricks, also named to the D3football.com Team of the Week.

SCAC players have been getting a lot of national recognition so far this year.  Let's hope that whatever team(s) represent the conference in the playoffs can do the same.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 08, 2008, 11:30:50 PM
FB52,
Who's Carl?

On another note, congrats to Team of the Week honorees from the SCAC.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 09, 2008, 07:15:43 AM
Welcome fb52!


Tell us about the Pontiac GTO 64...  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 09, 2008, 11:41:22 AM
http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/topsports/story/329579.html

I ran across this article about the Urban brothers and though the Trinity folks might find it a good read.  It is a few days old, but a good story about the brothers nonetheless!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 09, 2008, 11:58:02 AM
I enjoyed the story about the Urban brothers and then I enjoyed this great article written by Pat Coleman.  It's not about SCAC football but I think it hits the nail on the head regarding why all of us here love D3 sports so much:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2008/10/08/1535/for-carleton-walk-is-a-step-forward.html

Great job Pat!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 09, 2008, 07:14:19 PM
A late reminder that the Millsaps football show is on this evening.  Last week's show is being replayed from 6-7 Central time and this week's show goes from 7 to 8.  Here's the link:

http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Players/Millsaps%20College.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 09, 2008, 07:33:01 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Ron's Reply #5233 on 10/7/08)

Ron,
AFCA Poll:   Trinity  #12           Millsaps  #11      (IMHO this is lot more realistic than TU #19  and  MC #12.)

FYI,   Trinity JV  7   vs.   UMHB JV  6  at Stevens on Sept. 29th.  They have a rematch in Belton in 3 weeks.


                                                                         :)   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 09, 2008, 09:15:15 PM
etg, it's a good thing for the SCAC and for both Millsaps and Trinity that both teams are knocking on the door of the top-10.  At the regular season's end the poll rankings won't be as important as several other things--the SCAC Championship, the AQ into the playoffs, the South Region rankings--but I still think the rankings have some importants.  That being said, the winner of the Nov. 1st game will get a bigger boost in the rankings if their opponent that day is also highly ranked.

As long as I'm talking about Millsaps and Trinity, I might as well bring up one thing that I failed to mentioned when talking about that Nov. 1st game.  While Millsaps might have the disadvantage of only travelling with 52 players, they will have the advantage of an open date prior to the game while Trinity travels to Sewanee on October 24th.  It seems like that could be a factor in preparing for the game, I just don't know how much of a factor.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 09, 2008, 09:39:00 PM
Frank, off weeks can be a double edged sword.  That Saturday that TU is traveling back from Sewanee, the MC team might be getting wasted at a party.  You never know...  ;)

I don't know D-3 as well as the rest of you, but I'm guessing if you find the 5 or 10 traditional powers in D-3, they mostly play in competitive conferences.  Again, that's a guess.  But if the SCAC brings its overall level of play up so that each game is competitive, that'll bode well for the eventual one or maybe two teams that get to the playoffs. 

Have a cup cake schedule won't prepare you for playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 09, 2008, 10:54:35 PM
Quote from: etg on October 09, 2008, 07:33:01 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Ron's Reply #5233 on 10/7/08)

Ron,
AFCA Poll:   Trinity  #12           Millsaps  #11      (IMHO this is lot more realistic than TU #19  and  MC #12.)

We'll know a little more over the next two weeks once Trinity and Millsaps finally have common opponents. Millsaps has been wiping the walls with some pretty decent teams the past two weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 09, 2008, 11:40:25 PM
I just heard that TLU cancelled their JV game with Trinity due to injuries and attrition. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2008, 03:20:09 AM
I hope they aren't getting wasted at a party! :o

Seriously, in some ways playing a game and staying in the normal routine is a good thing, but the preparation time lost because of the travel back and forth to Sewanee might be a factor, plus Millsaps will have a little time to get guys a little healthier.

Regarding the polls, we all agree that the Trinity-Millsaps question will be worked out on the field in a few weeks.  I will say that the D3 voters obviously looks at the games in greater detail than the coaches so lets give them credit for really trying to get it right.

For example, HSU went on the road and lost to #3 UMHB last weekend by a 20-18 score.  The D3 voters looked past just the W-L aspect of the game and rewarded HSU by moving them from 21 to 16.  The voters in the coaches poll apparently go more on just wins and losses and overall record and they dropped HSU from 11 to 17.  While the end result is that HSU is in about the same place in both polls, I think the D3 voters got it right by rewarding HSU even though they lost to UMHB.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2008, 10:40:45 AM
An FYI Post:

This weeks schedule--all times are Eastern time zone:

   1:00 PM  Birmingham-Southern   @ DePauw     
   1:30 PM  Millsaps   @ Centre     
   2:00 PM  Sewanee   @ Austin     
   2:30 PM  Rhodes   @ Trinity (Tex.) 

---It looks like the DePauw game will have live stats and audio
---The Millsaps game will have video by Millsaps
---The Trinity game will have live stats, video and audio

Links to all of the above can be found at the SCAC site under the scoreboard section in the football area.  The SCAC link is:  http://www.scac-online.org/

Since I have it handy, here is the link for the Millsaps video that will start at about 12:15 or 12:20 Central:  http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Players/Millsaps%20College.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2008, 10:52:58 AM
It's really too bad AC football games are no longer broadcast.  They had a very good quality broadcast when I listened the last few seasons. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 10, 2008, 11:25:19 AM
Agreed. John Hendry did a great job. I talked to him in the preseason and he said they just weren't economically feasible at what he was getting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 10, 2008, 01:21:07 PM
For those of you who haven't seen today's "Daily Dose" entry:

QuoteSurprisingly close game
Keith's take: Birmingham-Southern at DePauw. Staring at a date with No. 19 Trinity (Texas) next week, will the Tigers be able to put aside last week's 55-13 thrashing at Millsaps and be sharp against the Panthers? DePauw didn't look like a conference champion or playoff team last week, but it's not far fetched to envision a three-way tie atop the conference if everything breaks right. I could see a sluggish start and a game closer than the Tigers would like.

read more here: http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/10/10/turning-point/

Wow ... that should get the DPU juices flowing ... let the games begin!
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2008, 02:21:42 PM
My guess is DePauw by 21-28 points.  Millsaps is a different type of team in that their typical scoring drive only lasts 2-3 minutes.  If you can't stop them, then the score gets more quickly out of hand than being unable to stop a team that takes 5-6 minutes on a typical scoring drive.

Just as Rhodes showed last week, DePauw will show this week that they are a good team and they will win big at home.  Right now they have something to prove this week and I can't see that they would in any way be looking ahead to next week's game.  I'll predict a 38-10 score.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 10, 2008, 02:31:55 PM
I'll take BSC.  Anyone giving points?   ;D

BSC by 4. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2008, 03:32:06 PM
I'd take that bet.  DePauw will be pissed and out to make a statement. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 10, 2008, 03:49:44 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2008, 03:32:06 PM
I'd take that bet.  DePauw will be pissed and out to make a statement. 

Concur.  Not only about last week, but also about it taking two freaking overtimes at their place last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 10, 2008, 05:31:30 PM
QuoteConcur.  Not only about last week, but also about it taking two freaking overtimes at their place last year.

Actually, you're thinking of the Colorado College game, Wes. The BSC game took a last minute TD drive by the Tigers to pull it out...but point well taken!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2008, 05:54:27 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 10, 2008, 05:31:30 PM
QuoteConcur.  Not only about last week, but also about it taking two freaking overtimes at their place last year.

Actually, you're thinking of the Colorado College game, Wes. The BSC game took a last minute TD drive by the Tigers to pull it out...but point well taken!  :)

You realize that's the last time CoCo was in a game against a non-first year opponent?  Since then and excluding a win over BSC, it's been

0-66 Millsaps
31-45 Centre
0-41 Occidental
0-19 Sewanee
10-35 Trinity
17-36 Austin
next up - at Rhodes

You guys REALLY took it out of them in that OT game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 10, 2008, 06:41:13 PM
Hey...just an FYI for all the SCAC fans...we flipped the switch on our new conference website today:
http://www.scacsports.com (http://www.scacsports.com)

Make sure and change your bookmarks, although we'll keep the old site active for a while to redirect traffic.

Enjoy!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 10, 2008, 10:02:17 PM
QuoteHey...just an FYI for all the SCAC fans...we flipped the switch on our new conference website today:
http://www.scacsports.com

Make sure and change your bookmarks, although we'll keep the old site active for a while to redirect traffic.

Enjoy!

Wow...very nice upgrade...only been able to check it out for a few minutes...but looks great...nice job!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 10, 2008, 10:14:29 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 10, 2008, 05:31:30 PM
QuoteConcur.  Not only about last week, but also about it taking two freaking overtimes at their place last year.

Actually, you're thinking of the Colorado College game, Wes. The BSC game took a last minute TD drive by the Tigers to pull it out...but point well taken!  :)

Thanks for the correction.  At least somebody knew what I was talking about. 

Also love the new site.  Nice work Dwayne (and Jeff & Russell)!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 11, 2008, 12:28:04 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 10, 2008, 05:31:30 PM
QuoteConcur.  Not only about last week, but also about it taking two freaking overtimes at their place last year.

Actually, you're thinking of the Colorado College game, Wes. The BSC game took a last minute TD drive by the Tigers to pull it out...but point well taken!  :)


Haha, man, you can never refer to Tigers on this site.  There's like 6 teams in SCAC that are Tigers.  Maybe more. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 11, 2008, 08:48:55 AM
QuoteHaha, man, you can never refer to Tigers on this site.  There's like 6 teams in SCAC that are Tigers.  Maybe more. 

My bad on that...you are correct, sir...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2008, 10:56:55 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 11, 2008, 08:48:55 AM
QuoteHaha, man, you can never refer to Tigers on this site.  There's like 6 teams in SCAC that are Tigers.  Maybe more. 

My bad on that...you are correct, sir...

Even funnier, if you go to the new SCAC site (highly recommended!) they have all the Tiger logos stuck over on the right side.

They should have put the Panthers and the Lynx there too, that way you could have had all the felines together.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2008, 11:01:10 AM
On another note, I'm going to be out of pocket this afternoon, so if someone could post an occasional score update for today's SCAC games it would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 11:17:30 AM
I'll try to post some updates from the AC/Sewanee game this afternoon.

It's going to be a sparse crowd for that one...combination of AC being on fall break this weekend (so long, students) and the Texas/OU game starting in about 40 minutes, meaning only the dedicated parents will be watching.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 11, 2008, 01:36:30 PM
DPU & BSC tied at 7 going to the 2nd quarter. 

DePauw pounds out an 11 play 83 yard drive and finishes with a 2 yarder to Etzcorn to start the game.  BSC comes right back and goes 80 yards on their first play from scrimmage to Eric Nordgren.

EDIT:  DePauw picks off BSC, promptly fumbles it back (FOR THE THIRD TIME!!!!), and the Panthers go 39 yards in 7 plays.  14-7 BSC early in the 2nd. 

DePauw is down to 4th string running back Mitchell Willsey, as Jon Ellis, Derrick Karazsia, and Chris Collins are all out today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2008, 01:50:25 PM
Anyone else having trouble with the Millsaps webcast?  I get a few bits and pieces and I don't know if the problem is there or with my DSL Lite connection.  If it's up there, I wonder if they could turn off the video and just give up the audio if that would help with the problem.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 11, 2008, 01:56:26 PM
I am not getting it well either...I am just looking at the live stats from the Centre website.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2008, 01:59:13 PM
Thanks for pointing out the live stats.  I guess I'll use the live stats and go back to listening to the DePauw game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 11, 2008, 02:00:52 PM
21-7 now BSC.  DePauw drives and punts, BSC comes back with a 70 yard drive.  (Insert nervous face here)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
Ross Hasten busts off a 50 yard run on the first possession...ends in a 27 yard field goal by Hersh to put AC up 3-0...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 11, 2008, 02:07:16 PM
Millsaps 10, Centre 7 at the start of the 2nd Q.
Millsaps 67 yds offense
Centre 103 yds offense

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 11, 2008, 02:15:48 PM
BSC drives all the way down to the 9, can't move it from there, and has a FG blocked at the half.  Still 21-7 at the break.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 02:26:59 PM
AC muffs a punt, leading to a short (38 yard) drive by Sewanee that results in a TD...7-3 Tigers, 9:15 left in the first...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2008, 02:31:11 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 10, 2008, 01:21:07 PM
For those of you who haven't seen today's "Daily Dose" entry:

QuoteSurprisingly close game
Keith's take: Birmingham-Southern at DePauw. Staring at a date with No. 19 Trinity (Texas) next week, will the Tigers be able to put aside last week's 55-13 thrashing at Millsaps and be sharp against the Panthers? DePauw didn't look like a conference champion or playoff team last week, but it's not far fetched to envision a three-way tie atop the conference if everything breaks right. I could see a sluggish start and a game closer than the Tigers would like.

read more here: http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/10/10/turning-point/

Wow ... that should get the DPU juices flowing ... let the games begin!
;)


Looks like Keith is a pretty smart guy.  Now who was that idiot who predicted DePauw winning by 21-28 points? ::) ::)

It also shines a new light on last weeks scores.  The script last week was that Millsaps beat a much better DePauw team by a lot more than Trinity beat BSC.  Now you look at this score and consider that Millsaps was at home and Trinity was on the road--hmm, it makes you think.

Millsaps still has a 10-7 lead on Centre--Centre leads in total offense 123 to 96 yards.  Is this Millsaps looking at their ranking or Centre playing well?  I suspect that the very quick defense of Centre is causing problems.  Last year it was Trinity getting surprised at Rhodes and I hope that Centre doesn't pull this year's big upset today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 02:37:31 PM
Fumble by AC gives the ball back to Sewanee in their own territory, and the Tigers march down thanks to a 42 yard completion and then on 3rd and 13, AC commits pass interference in the endzone to give it to the Tigers on the 2...Sewanee scores next play.

14-3 Sewanee, 44 seconds left in the quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 02:46:48 PM
34 yard run by AC's Matt Burton to make it 14-10 two minutes into the second quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 11, 2008, 02:50:31 PM
Marcus Harris interception sets up a Juan Joseph to Andrew Langston 23 yd TD pass.

Millsaps 20, Centre 7  0:42 left in 2nd Q
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 03:04:35 PM
Sewanee adds a 30 yard field goal to go up 17-10...4:35 left in the first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2008, 03:13:06 PM
DePauw gets TD on fake FG from the 2.  Follows that up with 2-pt conversion and we have a 21-21 tie with most of the 4th quarter to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 03:13:36 PM
AC fumbles for the third time in the game, giving it to the Tigers at the Roo 27.

Sewanee has it 2nd and goal from the 2 yard line, 24 seconds left in the half.  Sewanee also gets the ball to start the second half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 11, 2008, 03:20:36 PM
Dick goes to Koors from 38 yards out.  DPU back on top for the first time since 5 minutes in... 28-21.  Nearly 11 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2008, 03:21:25 PM
Millsaps opens 2nd half with 5-play, 60 yard TD drive in less than 2 minutes.  Millsaps up 26-7 as kick fails.

Trinity up on Rhodes 16-0 with 4:00 to go in 2nd quarter.  Baer has about 20 carries for 100 yards already.

DePauw up 28-21 on BSC.  Spud Dick is 30 of 36 for 340 yards with 2 TDs and 1 int.  Looks like about 7-8 minutes to go in this game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 03:21:47 PM
AC holds Sewanee to a 24 yard field goal, and Sewanee heads into the half leading 20-10.

AC had a chance for a hail mary at the end when Ross Hasten had a 46 yard kick return to get into Sewanee territory, but Chalankis Brown intercepted it to end the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2008, 03:32:52 PM
Millsaps goes 72 yards, 9 plays, in 3:27.  Kicks good, Millsaps leads 33-7 with about 7:00 to go in 3rd.

It's brutal in San Antonio except for the score.  Trinity up 10-0 at half.  Rhodes has 30 yards on 18 plays, TU has 207 on 42 plays. 

Still 28-21 in favor of DePauw.  5-6 minutes to go????
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 11, 2008, 03:41:38 PM
Havercamp FG makes it 31-21 with 2:02.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2008, 03:43:43 PM
DePauw leads 28-21.  Got the ball with 10:09 to play and have put together a 15 play drive to get clock down to 2:06.  Now have a 4-and-1 at the BSC 28.

DPU kicks FG to take 31-21 lead with 2 minutes to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 11, 2008, 03:46:00 PM
and BSC promptly fumbles the kickoff away inside their own DPU's 30... game's essentially over.

I'll give a call to D-Coordinator Robby Long.  Offense put his group in some tough spots in the first half with fumbles.  They came back in the second and gave up 0 points, and by my count, somewhere in the the neighborhood of 18 yards to the BSC offense in the second half.

EDIT: Now a final... 31-21.  Spud finishes 37-45 for 395 2TD's and an INT.  Also, Mitchell Willsey had a great day with 168 total yards.  Although, 80 of those did come on the next to last play of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2008, 03:48:00 PM
Jord. Havercamp kickoff 67 yards to the BSC3, Tay Walker return 73 yards to the DEPAUW24, fumble forced by Kyle Sherer, fumble by Tay Walker recovered by DEPAUW Joshua Sturek at DEPAUW24.

It's almost over but lets don't call the play till the clock hits zero and the play is dead.  An impressive comeback for DePauw after 4 turnovers got them in a 21-7 hole at the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 03:49:47 PM
Sewanee turns it over on downs on the first possession of the second half...AC ball at their own 25.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 03:52:30 PM
Annnnd AC goes 3 and out.  Ball goes back to the Tigers with 8 and change in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 11, 2008, 04:00:33 PM
Kenny Metzger 4 yd TD run.

Millsaps 40, Centre 13 9:58 left in 4th Q
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 11, 2008, 04:01:12 PM
B. Wilson to R. Curry TD, Licalzi's PAT good.  TU 17 Rhodes 0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 11, 2008, 04:02:24 PM
Millsaps still has first team offense in when they scored last.  The video is bad because they are working off a wireless card, just has not worked well at away games this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 04:04:43 PM
After a roughing the punter penalty keeps the AC drive alive, Ross Hasten takes it 52 yards to the house on 3rd and 1 to cut it to a 20-17 game in favor of Sewanee.  3:12 left in the third quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 04:07:37 PM
And we've got a big momentum shift.  Tilden Leamon steps in front of a Sewanee pass and gets himself a pick six, 52 yard touchdown...the PAT is missed wide, making it 23-20 in favor of the 'Roos with 2:50 on the clock.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 04:15:27 PM
Looked like Sewanee had something goin' on after a 61 yard kick return by Brown to put them in good position...but Shelton gets rocked on a scramble and fumbles it back to the 'Roos at their own 10.  AC ball, 2nd and 8 to start the fourth quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 11, 2008, 04:23:28 PM
Millsaps and Centre exchange touchdowns (Millsaps' XP Blocked)

Millsaps 46, Centre 20
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 11, 2008, 04:24:04 PM
Trinity turns over close to the goal line, but no harm done as D holds.  Trinity driving again just over mid-field.

And I just lost the feed again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 11, 2008, 04:26:21 PM
Millsaps and Centre are trading TDs in the 4th quarter with the score now 46-20.  Last TD was from QB Chris Graves to Daniel Whitmore.  Game had 2 minutes to go after the Millsaps kickoff.  

I'm not so sure that the coaches will be real pleased with this game--it seemed a little ragged on both sides of the ball and there were a couple of missed PAT's.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 11, 2008, 04:33:27 PM
Feed restored:  about 7 minutes left in the game, TU with the ball facing 4 and about 4 from about the +24.  Score remains 17-0. TU goes for it on 4th and converts!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 11, 2008, 04:36:15 PM
                 MSPS Cenfb
1st downs 22        22
Rush yards 77       135
Pass yards 292      263
Total offense 369   398
Penalties 8-95       9-114
Turnovers 1           2

Millsaps wins it 46-26, a sloppy game it appears.  As Frank said, I am sure the coaches are not happy with this one.  Millsaps never seems to play well in Danville.  Hopefully they can watch the tape and learn from this one and be ready for Sewanee in Jackson next weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 11, 2008, 04:49:38 PM
Less than 30 seconds to play, TU intercepts the ball at about mid-field to secure the win and TU's second shut out of the year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 11, 2008, 05:34:16 PM
Final from Sherman: AC 33, Sewanee 22
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2008, 09:52:16 PM
Great job with the updates today, thanks everyone.   +1s to all!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 11, 2008, 11:43:25 PM
Trinity defense played its best game of the year so far.  Very very good.   Four complete quarters of football for the D.   Hot day in San Antonio.  TU dominated the game and probably should have scored another 17.  Rhodes has a lot of speed on defense.  They tackle extremely well in open space.  Their defense will likely keep them in games. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 12, 2008, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: Tex on October 11, 2008, 11:43:25 PM
Trinity defense played its best game of the year so far.  Very very good.   Four complete quarters of football for the D.   Hot day in San Antonio.  TU dominated the game and probably should have scored another 17.  Rhodes has a lot of speed on defense.  They tackle extremely well in open space.  Their defense will likely keep them in games. 

Agreed on all counts, Tex.  Trinity Black Flag really got after it, especially when the offense sputtered and they needed a stop.  TU offense put up numbers consistent with earlier games this season, but with fewer points on the scoreboard resulting.  Rhodes defenders got to the ball quickly and hit hard when they arrived, even into the fourth quarter.  Gotta give them credit for a hard-fought game ... they will win a few before it's over.

Congrats to the Trinity Tigers for another "W" ... keep it rolling, men.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 12, 2008, 08:23:14 PM
Kudos on the new SCAC website.  I'm looking forward to a few of the new features that are waiting to be implemented.  Good stuff.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 13, 2008, 07:17:12 AM
Congrats on Trinity moving up a notch in the polls. Millsaps stays steady at #12. I was hoping they would jump the idle #10, but I guess not, just no room. Nov. 1 shaping up to be a doozy......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 13, 2008, 10:22:40 AM
If Trinity and Millsaps can stay on track this month, November 1st will be a good one indeed.

First, it's the "Battle of the Tigers", parts 2 and 3 for Trinity ... gotta beat DePauw, then Sewanee next week ... then we can talk about the Majors.

The Black Flag is looking good ... championships start with "D", I think.

TCB, men.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 14, 2008, 11:24:37 AM
http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1603110

The new AFCA poll is out and Millsaps up to #10  and Trinity is tied at 11th.  Depauw is still receiving votes.  Check out the complete poll with the link.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2008, 12:14:15 PM
Someone even gave DPU a vote in this week's D3football.com poll.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 14, 2008, 01:12:00 PM
Just out of curiosity, any ETA on the new Team of the Week?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 14, 2008, 01:19:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2008, 12:14:15 PM
Someone even gave DPU a vote in this week's D3football.com poll.   ;)

Yeah, sounds like bulletin board stuff to me...Tied for "42nd"!

:D :D :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 14, 2008, 02:11:42 PM
The problem with Depauw is that they can't seem to play 60 good minutes of football in a game:

----Against Anderson, DePauw fell behind 10-0 after a quarter, then scored 45 unanswered points and eventually won 52-17.

----Against Centre, DePauw was up 13-0, then fell behind 13-14, then rallied to win 27-14.

----Against Sewanee, DePauw was up 24-0 at the half and had to hold on for a 27-20 win.

----Against BSC, DePauw fell behind 7-21 at the half and then scored 24 unanswered points in the second half for a 31-21 victory.

----Against Millsaps the first half was so bad (7-35) that it made the 2nd half a moot point.

The bottom line is that DePauw has been a very good team for stretches during the season, just not for an entire game.  If they can play 60 minutes at their potential this weekend, then they will make things interesting in San Antonio.  If DePauw starts off this weekend like they did against Anderson, Millsaps and BSC, then they are in for a long day.

Link to SCAC team and individual stats for those who want to see how the teams and individuals stack up so far this year:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wi2
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 14, 2008, 02:47:22 PM
Quote from: jekelish on October 14, 2008, 01:12:00 PM
Just out of curiosity, any ETA on the new Team of the Week?

Every Tuesday night.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 14, 2008, 04:51:52 PM
Frank,

I'd argue that Trinity has suffered from the same malady in recent weeks.

I think that was a pretty uninspired effort at home against Rhodes.  Nor do I think going into the half up only 27-20 on BSC is particularly confidence-building.

I don't think that's going to keep Trinity from winning the football game, nor do I think that's going to allow DePauw to win the football game.  Just saying.  Looks like DPU will be without the top 3 running backs on the depth chart again.  That's probably going to be the biggest factor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 14, 2008, 06:21:21 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 14, 2008, 04:51:52 PM

<SNIP>

I think that was a pretty uninspired effort at home against Rhodes. 


15 yard penalty for BS.  You can either fault the Trinity offense for missing a couple of scoring opportunities or you can give Rhodes credit for having a good defense. 

But, TU played anything but "uninspired".   On the contrary, actually having been there, the Defense played with as much inspiration as I could possibly imagine. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 14, 2008, 07:56:30 PM
Wes, my post was made as an observation that DePauw has shown the potential to be competitive this week if they can just play a full game as well as they have played in some 30 minute stretches this season.  It seems like it was taken as criticism which was not the intent.

Trinity hasn't been outscored in a half of football all year.  The only half they failed to win was the 0-0 second half of the Texas Lutheran game which Trinity was leading 24-0.  DePauw on the other hand was outscored by Sewanee 13-3 in a half after having built a 24-7 halftime lead.  DePauw was outscored 21-7 by BSC before coming back to outscore BSC 24-0 in the second half.

So what I'm saying is that if DePauw plays 60 minutes like they must have played in building the 24-7 lead over Sewanee, or if they play 60 minutes like they played to come back and win against BSC, then it could be a very competitive game this weekend.  In other words, I'm not counting DePauw out in regards to this week's game. 

As an aside, I don't think anyone should be fooled by trying to compare the score of Trinity and Millsaps against Rhodes.  Millsaps beat Rhodes 49-2 and Trinity beat Rhodes 17-0 which is a huge difference.  HOWEVER, if you take a closer look at the stats, you see that in the Millsaps-Rhodes game each team had 20 drives.  In the Trinity-Rhodes game each team had 11 drives.  Give Trinity 9 more drives and their win over Rhodes would have been somewhat closer to the win that Millsaps had.

(Surprisingly, the number of drives per game by Millsaps and Trinity aren't very different outside of the Rhodes game.  In the other games played, Millsaps is averaging 14 drives per game and Trinity is averaging 13.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 14, 2008, 08:27:19 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 14, 2008, 06:21:21 PM
15 yard penalty for BS.  You can either fault the Trinity offense for missing a couple of scoring opportunities or you can give Rhodes credit for having a good defense. 

But, TU played anything but "uninspired". On the contrary, actually having been there, the Defense played with as much inspiration as I could possibly imagine. 

You're welcome to call it whatever you like.  I'm not going to hold an argument with you over semantics.  If Trinity is as good as I, and a lot of others, think they are, then they ought to beat Rhodes worse than 17-0.  I definitely expected them to much better considering what happened in Memphis last season.

Yes, the defense played a very nice ballgame on Saturday, but they did so against the worst offense in this conference at moving the football by a long shot.  The offense played well enough against a very good defense, but that ought to be more than a 3 score win for them if they wanted to be taken seriously as a power in the south region this year.

This isn't some kind of bulletin board material.  I don't think DePauw's going to be able to run it as well as they want to.  Maybe Spud can pull a rabbit out of a hat, but I don't think Matt Walker wants to get in a shootout with Trinity.  If the Millsaps offense is any kind of gauge, I think the defense is going to give up some big plays (like they did in this game in 2007).   Maybe that 2nd half against BSC was a confidence builder, but Joe Thigpen isn't Bryant Wilson, Walter Arrington isn't Chris Baer,  and Tay Walker isn't Riley Curry.  I'd love nothing more for DePauw to win this game, but they're not healthy, on top of all of the other demons that come with this particular opponent and this particular field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 14, 2008, 10:00:23 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 14, 2008, 08:27:19 PM
.....I'd love nothing more for DePauw to win this game, but they're not healthy, on top of all of the other demons that come with this particular opponent and this particular field.

:) :) :) That particular opponent and field have been demons for a lot of teams over the years.  They'll be no one on the board this week who thinks DePauw is favored over Trinity.  It doesn't help DePauw that they are hurting at the running back position, but they were hurting at the running back position in the 2nd half of the BSC game and the offense still moved the ball and scored 24 points.  Plus, they have the 2nd best run defense so maybe they can slow down the Trinity running game. 

I personally don't expect DePauw to win and I'm not going to be surprised if this is a blowout game for Trinity.  I'm just thinking that DePauw is capable of making it very interesting IF they can put together 60 good minutes of football in one game. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 15, 2008, 11:24:50 AM
I agree with Frank, I think Depauw could make it competitive, but do not expect Trinity to lose this game.  This game used to be the catalyst behind a lot of chatter on this board the week leading up to it, but it seems times have changed some.

I understand that the board will be somewhat dominated by the fans of the teams in the heat of the race, but I do wish we had more any participation from the Centre, Rhodes, Sewanee, C.C. fans.  I give some credit that we see Austin and BSC on here some (and McMurry of course Ralph  ;)). 

Anyway, I don't see Trinity or Millsaps slipping up against Sewanee this week or next, so it makes the Depauw game this weekend an interesting one for Trinity, personally speaking though, I would like to see Millsaps break the home record streak in San Antonio  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2008, 11:29:00 AM
The Jackson, MS newspaper has an outstanding article on Juan Joseph this morning.  It's more about Juan as a student, his background, and the choice of playing at a D3 school instead of about his accomplisments on the field.  Here's the link:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081015/COL0504/810150361/1287/SPORTS
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 15, 2008, 11:55:53 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2008, 11:29:00 AM
The Jackson, MS newspaper has an outstanding article on Juan Joseph this morning.  It's more about Juan as a student, his background, and the choice of playing at a D3 school instead of about his accomplisments on the field.  Here's the link:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081015/COL0504/810150361/1287/SPORTS

Thanks Frank, an unsual story for the Clarion-Ledger, but glad to see them spend some time on Millsaps and its student-athletes for a change!  Very good story by Rick Cleveland and some nice insight into Juan's life on campus and how he got there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 15, 2008, 12:43:37 PM
A great story for sure. 

Should be another fun weekend in the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 15, 2008, 05:06:47 PM
what all should AC be expecting from BSC this weekend?  This game is very important if they want any shot at a winning season this year.

I'm just not all that impressed by our wins so far.  Yes it was good to come from behind in their 3 wins but McMurry, CC and Sewanee are a combined 2-14.  They could have beat Centre and threw it away.  The loss to S'western Assemblies is what really kills me though.

Will this simply come down to the least mistakes?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 15, 2008, 05:07:32 PM
Congratulations to one of my Roos!!  Josh Willis made the D3 Team of the Week!!

P Josh Willis, So., Austin
Willis punted four times for a 43.8-yard average and also intercepted two passes as a defensive back in the Kangaroos' 33-22 win against Sewanee.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2008, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 15, 2008, 05:06:47 PM
what all should AC be expecting from BSC this weekend?  This game is very important if they want any shot at a winning season this year.

I'm just not all that impressed by our wins so far.  Yes it was good to come from behind in their 3 wins but McMurry, CC and Sewanee are a combined 2-14.  They could have beat Centre and threw it away.  The loss to S'western Assemblies is what really kills me though.

Will this simply come down to the least mistakes?

AC is travelling there ... is this the week they finally open their new football stadium?  Could make for a difficult combo.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2008, 06:13:00 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2008, 11:29:00 AM
The Jackson, MS newspaper has an outstanding article on Juan Joseph this morning.  It's more about Juan as a student, his background, and the choice of playing at a D3 school instead of about his accomplisments on the field.  Here's the link:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081015/COL0504/810150361/1287/SPORTS

Great article...

;)

I would use this as Trinity psychological warfare, but a great kid like Juan Joseph won't fall for it.   :)

Juan Joseph has to be on the short list for the Gagliardi.

Best wishes, Juan!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 15, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 15, 2008, 05:06:47 PM
what all should AC be expecting from BSC this weekend?  This game is very important if they want any shot at a winning season this year.

I'm just not all that impressed by our wins so far.  Yes it was good to come from behind in their 3 wins but McMurry, CC and Sewanee are a combined 2-14.  They could have beat Centre and threw it away.  The loss to S'western Assemblies is what really kills me though.

Will this simply come down to the least mistakes?

Kent,

I think you are being  a little negative here.  I have seen all the home AC games (except McMurry while I was dodging a hurricane) and the SWAG game as well.  I was also dissappointed with the loss to SWAG, but the Roos are playing better each week.  They have definitely become a second half team as critical adjustments are being made and acted upon in the second half. 

As far as their opponents records if you look at the SCAC standings only Depauw and two top 25 teams, Trinity and Millsaps are ahead of them.  IMHO they are very capable of winning their next three games and finishing 6-4.  Even 5-5 is much better than it has been in the past few years.  I am proud of their progress!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 15, 2008, 06:48:34 PM
roocru, that would be great if they could finish 6-4.  I'll be pulling for them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 15, 2008, 07:11:12 PM
QuoteThe problem with Depauw is that they can't seem to play 60 good minutes of football in a game:

----Against Anderson, DePauw fell behind 10-0 after a quarter, then scored 45 unanswered points and eventually won 52-17.

----Against Centre, DePauw was up 13-0, then fell behind 13-14, then rallied to win 27-14.

----Against Sewanee, DePauw was up 24-0 at the half and had to hold on for a 27-20 win.

----Against BSC, DePauw fell behind 7-21 at the half and then scored 24 unanswered points in the second half for a 31-21 victory.

----Against Millsaps the first half was so bad (7-35) that it made the 2nd half a moot point.

The bottom line is that DePauw has been a very good team for stretches during the season, just not for an entire game.  If they can play 60 minutes at their potential this weekend, then they will make things interesting in San Antonio.  If DePauw starts off this weekend like they did against Anderson, Millsaps and BSC, then they are in for a long day.

Frank---
Your general premise is a good one...DePauw has experienced some slow starts...but it's silly to support it with comparing scores (as someone correctly suggested with the halftime score of the Trinity-BCS game)..

Anderson---DPU with 2 early turnovers deep in their own territory...then winning 52-17 with the starters playing 3 quarters...should they have made it 77-17?

Centre---Falling behind and rallying? DPU was behind for all of two plays...and took a knee on multiple plays inside the 10 at the end of the game to run out the clock...I don't think the actual score of 27-14---or what would have been at least 34-14 on road at Centre is anything to sneeze at...

The Sewanee and BCS games were more indicative of what you're talking about...and for a team that has seen for stretches its entire receiving corps and its entire running back group out with injuuries they have performed pretty well.

In the BCS game the Panthers used a trick play and two fumbles by a sophomore DPU running back to grab that early lead....and should point out that young RB shook off the rough start to come back and runn very hard and very well the rest of the game...

Anyway...injuries are part of the game...coulda, shoulda, woulda...for sure DePauw will need to bring its A+ game to San Antonio this weekend...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on October 15, 2008, 07:36:05 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 15, 2008, 06:46:45 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 15, 2008, 05:06:47 PM
what all should AC be expecting from BSC this weekend?  This game is very important if they want any shot at a winning season this year.

I'm just not all that impressed by our wins so far.  Yes it was good to come from behind in their 3 wins but McMurry, CC and Sewanee are a combined 2-14.  They could have beat Centre and threw it away.  The loss to S'western Assemblies is what really kills me though.

Will this simply come down to the least mistakes?

Kent,

I think you are being  a little negative here.  I have seen all the home AC games (except McMurry while I was dodging a hurricane) and the SWAG game as well.  I was also dissappointed with the loss to SWAG, but the Roos are playing better each week.  They have definitely become a second half team as critical adjustments are being made and acted upon in the second half. 

As far as their opponents records if you look at the SCAC standings only Depauw and two top 25 teams, Trinity and Millsaps are ahead of them.  IMHO they are very capable of winning their next three games and finishing 6-4.  Even 5-5 is much better than it has been in the past few years.  I am proud of their progress!!

I have also been at all the home games (including McMurry) and have not "felt good" about how we have won. However we did win and that is what matters. I still feel like our best football is in the windsheild, not the rearview mirror.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2008, 08:43:26 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 15, 2008, 07:11:12 PM
Frank---
Your general premise is a good one...DePauw has experienced some slow starts...but it's silly to support it with comparing scores (as someone correctly suggested with the halftime score of the Trinity-BCS game)..

I give up.  Somehow my effort to point out that DePauw is a potentially more dangerous team than some may think has been taken as being critical of DePauw.  If I'm going to offend the DePauw fans when I'm actually trying to prop up their team, then I might as well be brutally honest and offend them all the way:

"If DePauw goes to San Antonio and plays as poorly as they played in Jackson, then they will find themselves at least 40 points down when the final horn sounds."

That's not the type of comment that I would usually make on this board, but if I'm going to be whacked for saying that I think DePauw has a chance against Trinity, then I might as well get whacked more legitimately by saying that DePauw is going to get killed.  Is everybody happy now?  I should learn my lesson and never try to be supportive of another program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2008, 09:12:02 PM
On another subject and sticking strictly to Millsaps, I wanted to get back to something from the Juan Joseph story.  He mentions that he could have gone to D1 Alcorn State on scholarship and instead he choose Millsaps.  In the article he says:

"But the bottom line is, I wouldn't change a thing," he says. "I'm right where I need to be. What I love about Division III is that if you're playing out here, you have a passion for the game, because you aren't getting anything else for playing. You play because you love to play."

The flip side of this story is the commonplace tale of a recruit who got away, a story that could be told at just about every D3 program.  I know Millsaps was recruiting a QB this year who would have been a strong candidate to take over as the starter in 2009 (I'm sure the current backups would have something to say about that).  As it turns out, this QB ended up going as an invited walk-on to a premier program in one of the premier D1 leagues. 

For all I know, that might have been the greatest thing that could have happen to this young man and he may never regret that decision for the rest of his life.  However, I saw a story about this particular team and the head coach said they had 4 QBs on scholarship and they had brought in a walk-on just to be sure that the scholarship kids didn't have to throw too much in practice.  One of those scholarship QBs is a freshman who is considered to be their starter of the future.

Maybe this walk-on will be that rarity that somehow becomes a rags to riches story.  Maybe he'll be happy as the guy who spends his entire college career as the scout team quarterback.  Or maybe he'll be like my nephew who walked on at a D1 basketball program his freshman year and then decided it was a lot more fun to play for a championship at D3 than to watch from the bench at D1.  I really think a lot of young men and women pass up fantastic opportunities when they pass up a chance to play D3 in order to become a mostly non-playing athlete at D1 or D2.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 15, 2008, 09:52:54 PM
QuoteI give up.  Somehow my effort to point out that DePauw is a potentially more dangerous team than some may think has been taken as being critical of DePauw.  If I'm going to offend the DePauw fans when I'm actually trying to prop up their team, then I might as well be brutally honest and offend them all the way:

"If DePauw goes to San Antonio and plays as poorly as they played in Jackson, then they will find themselves at least 40 points down when the final horn sounds."

That's not the type of comment that I would usually make on this board, but if I'm going to be whacked for saying that I think DePauw has a chance against Trinity, then I might as well get whacked more legitimately by saying that DePauw is going to get killed.  Is everybody happy now?  I should learn my lesson and never try to be supportive of another program.

Sorry you took it that way...if you actually read the post...I said I AGREE with your premise...I was taking issue with the comparative scores in games like Anderson, Centre, etc. that you used to make your point...comparing scores is a slippery slope..that's all I was saying...believe me, i wouldn't want to offend anyone who wants to say nice things about DPU... ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 15, 2008, 11:48:33 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2008, 08:43:26 PM
I give up.  Somehow my effort to point out that DePauw is a potentially more dangerous team than some may think has been taken as being critical of DePauw.  If I'm going to offend the DePauw fans when I'm actually trying to prop up their team, then I might as well be brutally honest and offend them all the way:

Frank,

Reminds me of the line about pledges in Animal House (paraphrased)...

"You can't talk about DePauw like that.  Only WE can talk about DePauw like that!"

Sounds like this man needs a Monon Bell ticket!   :D

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 16, 2008, 01:20:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2008, 05:29:10 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 15, 2008, 05:06:47 PM
what all should AC be expecting from BSC this weekend?  This game is very important if they want any shot at a winning season this year.

I'm just not all that impressed by our wins so far.  Yes it was good to come from behind in their 3 wins but McMurry, CC and Sewanee are a combined 2-14.  They could have beat Centre and threw it away.  The loss to S'western Assemblies is what really kills me though.

Will this simply come down to the least mistakes?

AC is travelling there ... is this the week they finally open their new football stadium?  Could make for a difficult combo.

The game is being played at Hoover High, I believe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 16, 2008, 03:00:40 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2008, 08:43:26 PM
That's not the type of comment that I would usually make on this board, but if I'm going to be whacked for saying that I think DePauw has a chance against Trinity, then I might as well get whacked more legitimately by saying that DePauw is going to get killed.  Is everybody happy now?  I should learn my lesson and never try to be supportive of another program.

Nobody here was criticizing you.  In fact, I merely pointed out a unique commonality between the two teams.  My comrade didn't even do that.  He actually agreed with you.  Take a deep breath, friend.  Neither he nor I are out to get you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2008, 05:01:40 PM
It might not have helped that I wrote the post last night after enjoying a few brews with the guys at Nick's bar.  :) :o :)

It just seemed like the responses to my post were a little defensive which made me think that my post was taken as some sort of criticism of DePauw.  That wasn't my intention and I certainly might have misread the responses.  At this point that is neither here or there.

What we all can agree upon is that DePauw's chances of playing in the post season go away if they don't win this Saturday.  A second loss in conference rules out the chance of the AQ and it also rules out the at-large hopes.  If DePauw does win, then they probably go into the Wabash game with an 8-1 record and maybe a national ranking. 

Personally, I think DePauw is somewhere in the range of a 3 TD underdog.  Trinity has a lot on the line as well and they aren't going to overlook this game.  But still, when DePauw is playing well they are a difficult team to beat if they play well the entire game.  This link to the DePauw-BSC Drive chart shows just how good DePauw can be (2nd half) and just how inept they have also managed to play in spots this year (1st half). 

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/stats/bscdu.htm#GAME.DRV

If DePauw can put together 60 minutes like they played to end the BSC game, then they'll have a shot at pulling off the upset.  I'm not sure if a DePauw win would be good for the SCAC or for Millsaps, but it should would be a big deal for the DePauw team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 16, 2008, 08:14:29 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2008, 05:01:40 PM
Personally, I think DePauw is somewhere in the range of a 3 TD underdog.

You been sneaking peeks at the pick 'ems for this week, Frank?   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 17, 2008, 05:55:52 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 16, 2008, 08:14:29 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2008, 05:01:40 PM
Personally, I think DePauw is somewhere in the range of a 3 TD underdog.

You been sneaking peeks at the pick 'ems for this week, Frank?   :)

Maybe great minds think alike?  I actually had seen your point spreads earlier in the week for your pick-em and maybe that 3 TD number was still somewhere in my subconscious.  For the record, I think the following lines are pretty good lines:

Austin (-3.5) @ Birmingham-Southern
Colorado College @ Rhodes (-17.5)
Sewanee @ Millsaps (-31.5)
DePauw @ Trinity (-20.5)

---The Austin @ BSC is interesting.  I think BSC will come up with a big game at home and get this win.  As a fairly young team, the difference between how they play at home and how they do on the road seems to be wider than with most other SCAC teams.  I see them snapping their 4-game losing streak against an Austin team that is the better team.
---It seems like the Colorado @ Rhodes game is the safest of the 4 picks.  Colorado has the long road trip and Rhodes will be itching to get their offense back on track after the shutout last week. 
---Millsaps won by 32 or more against MS College, Austin, Rhodes and DePauw.  They won by 20 against Belhaven and Centre.  It sounds disrespectful of your opponent to say that you think you'll beat them by almost 5 TDs or more, but based on the seasonal results, it looks like Millsaps is the team to pick here.
---DePauw at Trinity.  I do believe that DePauw can make this interesting if they play a full 60 minutes at the top of their game.  That's a BIG IF based on the first half of the season.  It's not a "big if" to think that Trinity will play their best game of the year this Saturday.  I believe this for numerous reasons, such as:
1) It's DePauw and that has always been a big game on the schedule.
2) It's the best test Trinity will have on the schedule to prepare for Millsaps.
3) It is a statement game for Trinity.  So far the Trinity schedule has created the attitude of "yeah they won, but look who they were playing" (no disrespect meant to the teams Trinity has played).  A big win Saturday may shut up some of that talk--and a close game might fuel that talk since Millsaps beat DePauw by 42.
4) I suspect the Trinity nation has been greatly ticked off this year with all the Millsaps talk and I'd feel the same if I supported Trinity.  They'll want to release some of that pent up anger on their Tiger breathen from the North. 

Earlier in the week I thought that DePauw was going to make this a close game.  Now that I think about it from the Trinity side of the coin, I believe that they will cover your 20.5 spread.  The talent, the motivation, the home field advantage,etc, make a compelling argument that Trinity will play very close to full potential this week.  Plus, with the shortage of running backs at the moment, I think the Trinity defense will be able to bring the pressure needed to shut down the DePauw passing game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2008, 10:50:32 AM
Trinity Nation?   :D   

All good comments, Frank, but I don't think the guys who will trot onto the field at EM Stevens are focused on satisfying us or putting big numbers on the scoreboard.  I know that margins of victory in some of the wins could easily have been larger if that was a concern, but with very few exceptions Coach Mohr subs liberally once his team is comfortably ahead and uses the time to get those guys some quality playing time.  I know that most of the coaches do this, but IMO Trinity does it earlier than most.   Admittedly, my opinion is not unbiased in this regard. 

They don't want to lose to DPU, who has always been a rival, but they don't want to lose to anyone.  I don't see them putting a three TD whomping on the visiting Tigers because it is a rivalry and DPU wants to get the Trinity monkey off their back after so many years.   It seems strange that a consistently good team like DPU has not managed to pull off a win yet in the series.  And wounded Tigers are dangerous ...

This is the meat of the season for the men from San Antonio.  DPU, a road game on the mountain at Sewanee, then of course uber-motivated and talented Millsaps.   And if they should get by Millsaps, a visit the next week to Centre who has thrown a monkey wrench into Trinity undefeated regular seasons before.  It'll take focus, strong play, and maybe even a little luck  ;) to win all four. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 17, 2008, 01:25:04 PM
QuoteIt might not have helped that I wrote the post last night after enjoying a few brews with the guys at Nick's bar.   

Understood...and appreciated!  :)

Lots of good commentary on the DPU-Trinity tilt...no question the Indiana Tigers are going in as the underdog for all of the reasons mentioned...but I'm looking forward to a good ballgame...key will be, as mentioned, for DPU to play 60 minutes in all three phases of the game...

Wes---
Sounds like the inury bug is continuing to plague DPU...hopefully some of these guys can get healthy by kickoff tomorrow... ???



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 17, 2008, 03:23:26 PM
I hope.  I haven't spoken to anyone since very early in the week, but there wasn't a ton of optimism that Ellis, Karazsia, or Collins would be ready to go at RB for the second straight week. 

I thought Mitchell Willsey did a pretty nice job of filling in on Saturday, particularly in the second half.  If it is him again, Matt Walker and Dustin Ward are going to need a Marks-ian effort from him tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 17, 2008, 04:54:13 PM
Would y'all mind posting some scores of games tomorrow when you can, like Ron last week, I will be out of pocket would be interested in seeing how teams are doing.  Hopefully the blackberry will pick up the message boards!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 17, 2008, 10:39:32 PM
exmajor, PM me your cell phone number and I'll text you the TU Depauw score as it unfolds.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 01:34:13 PM
BSC is up 16-6 on Austin College as the first quarter draws to a close.  The AC PAT was blocked, David Kelley returned it 96 yards for a defensive two-point conversion.  Thigpen is 3-3 passing with a 54-yd TD strike to Walter Arrington accounting for most of the 66 yards.

AC strikes back quickly with a 6 play, 81-yard drive to make it 16-13 early in the second quarter.  Andy Braly is 4-5 for 76 yards. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 01:59:33 PM
After several exchanges, BSC sets up for a 37-yard FGA, attempt is blocked by Matt Finke who scoops up the ball and returns it 60 yards for a TD.  AC leads 20-13 at the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 18, 2008, 02:01:43 PM
Millsaps wins the toss and chooses to defer to the 2nd half. Defense first.  Here we go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 18, 2008, 02:06:35 PM
Finke is just incredible when it gets to blocking kicks.  He's blocked four in the last year and a half, and those who have watched AC play will agree that he gets an incredible jump on the ball and is awfully close to even more blocked kicks than that.  At this level, I've never seen anyone get around the end on a field goal/PAT as quickly as Finke does.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 02:11:14 PM
Colorado College is the recipient of an early gift when Rhodes fumbles inside their 20, but can't move the ball and miss a 29-yard FGA.  0-0 early on in Memphis. 

They just got a Mike Wendorf INT at midfield, so the Rhodes offense continues their season-long struggles.  For their part, CC continues to focus on the running game with 13 consecutive running plays.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 18, 2008, 02:18:49 PM
Millsaps7-0, 5.15 LEFT IN THE 1ST.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 02:29:44 PM
AC takes the second half kick and drives 58 yards, with Ross Hasten taking it 28 yards to put the Roos up 27-16.

Early in the second quarter, Matt Gilbert scores from a yard out to put the Lynx up 7-0 on Colorado College.  A total of 14 yards passing (combined) so far in this one. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 02:36:20 PM
After a personal foul made it first and 25, Joe Thigpen finds Walter Arrington deep and the speedster scores on a 65-yard play to close BSC's gap to 27-22.  The 2-point try fails, 8:36 to play in the third quarter.

DePauw has driven into Trinity territory on their first drive as Spud Dick is 3-4 passing early .. then misses three straight and DPU has to punt it away.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 18, 2008, 02:36:43 PM
Millsaps 10-0  11+mins left in the2nd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 02:42:40 PM
Charles Hoggart scores from eight yards out, PAT is good, as the Lynx take a 14-0 lead over CoCo, 8:17 to play in the half.  Still no passing yards for CC (and only one attempt) and only 14 yards for Rhodes.

Braly finds Ross Hasten for a 33-yard scoring pass, the 'Roos take a 34-22 lead, still in the third.  Sounds like a fun game to be witnessing in person.

Trinity can't move the ball from deep in their end and DPU sets up shop at their own 40.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 18, 2008, 02:44:21 PM
Millsaps 17-0 Blocked punt Sam Herman TD  8.50 left in 2nd
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 18, 2008, 02:46:54 PM
DPU gets 1st blood 6-0 missed pat
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 02:48:04 PM
DePauw gets on the board first as Spud Dick is having his way with the (formerly) top-ranked passing defense in the country.   Mitchell Willsey scores on a two-yard plunge, the PAT is no good, DPU is up 6-0 with 6:04 to play in the opening stanza.

The DPU offense already has 76 passing yards against a Trinity defense that had been allowing a little over 100 yards/game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 02:55:03 PM
Bryant Wilson finds Chris Coleman from 27 yards out to tie the score with DPU, PAT good and Trinity takes a 7-6 lead.

Zach Mamot scores from ten yards out on the first play of the fourth quarter  to push Austin College to a 41-22 advantage.

I have to step away for a bit, sorry.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 18, 2008, 02:56:15 PM
Nice U of South drive FG 17-3 Majors
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 18, 2008, 03:00:00 PM
geez.  at least 30 points for 3 games in a row!  I guess Coach Gage has my Roos eating their Wheaties
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 18, 2008, 03:01:56 PM
Battle of the Tigers in San Antonio looks like it will be an exciting one.  C'mon TU!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 18, 2008, 03:02:12 PM
Running TD Millsaps 24-3 with 1+left in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 03:37:33 PM
Back.

Trinity now up 21-13, have the ball at the DPU 31 but only 31 seconds left in the half.

Austin pulls away from BSC with a big 48-29 win.

Rhodes leads Colorado College 14-7, just missed a FG. early in the third.  CoCo scored on a 96-yard fumble return by Shane Strom just before the half.  82 total yds for Colorado and still no passing yards - wow.

Trinity runs out of downs at the seven, DePauw's Kyle Sherer blocks a short FG and so they'll go into the locker room trailing by eight. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 18, 2008, 03:39:58 PM
AC game story is up:

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1656&ItemID=6319 (http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1656&ItemID=6319)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 18, 2008, 03:41:39 PM
woo hoo!  AC wins 48-29!

two more for a winning season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 03:47:58 PM
Halftime stats for DPU-TU:

DPU - 9 1st downs, 28 yds rushing (9 carries), 148 yds passing, TOP 11:11
Spud Dick 10-18-0 148 yds, 1 TD
Bryan Mulligan 3 rcpts-52 yds, 1 TD
Mitch Willsley 6 carries, 25 yds
Ryan Pruess 6 tackles (4 solo), 1 TFL; Kyle Sherer 6 tackles (2 solo), blocked kick

Trinity - 16 1st downs, 111 yds rushing (19 carries), 191 yds passing, TOP 18:49
Bryant Wilson 18-22-0 191 yds, 2 TD
Riley Curry 7 rcpts-98 yds, 1 TD
Al Furlow 7 carries, 56 yds, 1 TD
Dennis Grebe 6 tackles (1 solo)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 18, 2008, 03:54:24 PM
Millsaps 2quick 3rd Q TDs Majors up 38-3. Juan is spreading the ball around to 9 different recievers.Burt Pereria is in with 1 min left in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 04:07:53 PM
Trinity gets a 42-yd FG from Peter Lizcali on the opening drive of the second half, now 24-13 TU.

Bad news for Trinity fans - Chris Baer was injured in the first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 04:19:13 PM
Depauw drives inside the Trinity 30, but Jeff Jones steps in front of a Spud Dick pass at the 20 and returns it 80 yards to put Trinity up 31-13, 7:53 to play in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 04:32:16 PM
DPU responds impressively with a 12-play, 74 yard drive with Dick sneaking in from two yards out.  DPU now trails 31-20 with 2:27 left in the third quarter.  Big play was a fourth-and-two conversion inside the Trinity red zone, and Alex Coors continues to wreak havoc (6 catches - 109 and a key pass interference call)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 04:35:52 PM
DPU's Chris Scarver gets an INT off a deflection and returns it to the Trinity 25.  End of the third quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 04:42:50 PM
Doesn't take long - Nick Etzcorn scores on a 15-yard fade, two point conversion is no good, with 13:49 left it's 31-26 Trinity.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 04:51:35 PM
Trinity comes right back, converting a couple of third downs with the last being a 20-yard pass on third-and-seven from Wilson to Al Furlow.  7 play, 68 yards, but not a lot of time off the clock.   After the PAT, Trinity leads 38-26.  10:15 remaining.   

First play from scrimmage, Dick under pressure, hit, ball pops up in air, picked off by Chris Collier and returned to the DPU seven.

Trinity then fumbles on a quick-snap attempt and DPU takes back over at the DPU 2.

After two incomplete passes, Dick's deep pass is picked off, Trinity ball at the DPU 40.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 05:05:37 PM
Chris Coleman gets his second TD of the day on a Wilson pass from nine yards out, PAT good; Trinity leads 45-26, 4:19 remaining.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 18, 2008, 05:12:21 PM
Depauw goes to the hurryup, and on fourth down Dick finds Nick Etzcorn again from nine yards out.  The two point conversion attempt is no good,  2:09 remaining, it's Trinity 45, DPU 32. 

Trinity recovers the onside kick attempt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 18, 2008, 05:35:37 PM
unless my dyslexia got the best of me it seems that this is the first time AC has scored at least 30 points in a game 3 straight times since 1999.  :o

oh and as for being maybe a little negative this last week about our wins, well...  we haven't beat anyone with a winning record yet.

HOWEVER, I am thrilled we are actually beating the lesser squads unlike in previous years.  Just wish they wouldn't have dropped that SWA game b/c they clearly are not very good this year.

So yea, it seems Gage still has them on the right track which is excellent and I really do think it will help the schools sports moral to have a football team thats not constantly getting thrashed (this is Texas after all) and that can at the least play .500 ball. 

There is only so much a good womens volleyball program can do ya know?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 18, 2008, 07:03:54 PM
Had to qet a quick download on the final score from my wife via phone when the TX tigers had about two minutes left to claim the game in San Antonio.

Well done TU Tigers.  I kind of got caught up on the action through all your posts...thanks for those. 

Let the nay sayers talk about the points given up, but I tell you, it takes a tough kid to keep playing in the face of adversity and to keep punching in the later rounds after the shots the Indiana Tigers got in.  Again I say, well done against a good opponent.

Good job!  I miss you guys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 18, 2008, 08:32:47 PM
Well, DePauw sure didn't play well enough to win today, but they got no help from Trinity's clock operator.

They ran the play clock AND the game clock EVERY SINGLE TIME after the official whistled the ball ready for play following an incomplete pass.  For example, here's DPU's 2nd to last drive of the game (emphasis mine):

D 1-10 D02   DEPAUW UNIVERSITY drive start at 09:36.
  D 1-10 D02   18-Spud Dick pass incomplete to 1-Bryan Mulligan.
  D 2-10 D02   18-Spud Dick pass incomplete to 88-Nick Etzcorn, dropped pass.
  D 3-10 D02   18-Spud Dick pass intercepted by 6-Bobby Adamson at the DEPAUW36, 6-Bobby
               Adamson return 6 yards to the DEPAUW30, out-of-bounds (1-Bryan Mulligan),
               PENALTY TRINITY IB 10 yards to the DEPAUW40, 1st and 10, TRINITY ball
               on DEPAUW40.
--------------- 3 plays, 0 yards, TOP 01:16 ---------------


1:16! For 2 incompletions and a pick!  Are you kidding?  There's half a dozen more just like that one.  3 and 4 play drives with 2 incompletions taking almost 2 minutes of clock or more.  Please, allow me to cite for you (from Rule 3.2 from the NCAA Handbook (http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Football_Rulesadc982b5-03fb-4e27-828c-c2d26b95e6c1.pdf)) the COMPLETE list of times it is appropriate to start the game clock when the official whistles the ball ready for play:

QuoteWhen the clock has been stopped for any of the following incidents, it
will start on the signal by the referee (S20) (A.R. 7-3-2-I and A.R. 7-3-7-
II):

1. When Team A is awarded a first down either by penalty or as the
result of the play (Exception: After a legal kick down).

2. For a referee’s timeout for an injured player or official, or when the
runner’s helmet comes completely off, or for an extended timeout for
radio or television.

3. At the referee’s discretion (Rules 3-2-2-c and 3-4-3) (A.R. 3-3-2-IIIV).

4. To complete a penalty (Exception: After a delay foul by Team A
while in scrimmage-kick formation).

5. For an inadvertent whistle (Exception: During a legal kick).

6. For a head coach’s conference or challenge.

7. For a sideline warning.

8. For an illegal pass to conserve time (A.R. 7-3-2-II-VIII).

9. For a measurement.

10. For a live ball in an official’s possession.

11. For a fumble out of bounds in advance of the spot of the fumble
anytime during the game (Rule 3-2-5-a).

12. When a ball carrier, a fumble or a backward pass goes out of bounds
(Exception: Within the last two minutes of each half, the clock starts
on the snap unless incidents 8 or 11 above occur.) (A.R. 3-2-5-V).

13. When the referee interrupts the 40/25-second count.
b. If the clock was stopped for incidents other than those in 1 through 13
above, it shall be started on the snap.
c. If incidents 1 through 13 occur in conjunction with any other situation
that starts the clock on the snap, the clock will start on the snap.
d. The clock stops at the end of a legal kick down and starts on the snap
(Exception: When the next play is a free kick or a try.).
e. When Team B is awarded a first down and will next snap the ball, the
clock will be stopped and will start on the snap.

You know what's not on that list?  Surpisingly enough, AN INCOMPLETE PASS.  If it were, nobody would ever spike the football to stop the clock.  Spike is just an incomplete pass, after all.  They'd just start it again when they spotted the ball.

DePauw probably wouldn't have won today's football game either way.  But, you know, it's pretty tough to come from behind when you're playing against what is essentially a running clock. 

That is one of the most appaling displays of ignorance I've witnessed at this level.  Absolutely remarkable.  What an embarassment.  This isn't Pop Warner.  Get your head out of your ass and read the god damn rulebook.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 18, 2008, 09:04:03 PM
Officiating improprieties in San Antonio? Surely you jest.

Hat tip to the DPU offense - you hang up 32 on Trinity at their place, you've done something. But it would appear that the inexperience in the secondary that DPU is dealing with this year is really hurting them against the top tier passing attacks in the conference, and the injuries in the backfield have really made DPU's offense too one-dimensional to stay on the field long enough against the conference's top tier defenses. Not that that one dimension isn't pretty damn good, but I wonder if things might have been different had Trinity been forced at any time to respect the run.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 18, 2008, 10:12:25 PM
LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR----THE OFFICIALS DID NOT DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME...TRINITY DESERVED THE VICTORY...

But having said that...the officiating was EMBARRASSING...the crew neither had a grasp of the rules  OR the game itself...I have seen better officiating in middle school games...If they even sniff another college game it would be a travesty....and to be very honest it was not much better two years ago when we were in San Antonio...hmmm,  same officials???

THAT WAS A DISGRACE....


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 18, 2008, 10:13:55 PM
...and by the way, Wes...THAT was a GREAT post!!!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 18, 2008, 10:55:38 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 18, 2008, 10:12:25 PM
THE OFFICIALS DID NOT DETERMINE THE OUTCOME OF THE GAME...TRINITY DESERVED THE VICTORY...

I would argue that those two things are not the same.  I will say without doubt that Trinity played the better 60 minutes (running or not) and should have won the football game. 

But, I don't think I can say that the outcome would have been indentical if all of those approximately 20 seconds wouldn't have been taken off the clock.  We just don't know what would have happened if there was another couple of minutes to play with.  I would estimate that Trinity probably wins, but I just don't know that. 

Say you play out that game with correct clock operation 100 times, does Trinity win every single time?  If there's even a shadow of a doubt that DePauw wins at least 1 time, then this was a horrible injustice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 18, 2008, 11:09:55 PM
It would have been a lot more than 20 seconds since that happened on every incomplete pass. 

(Course who knows what would have happened since it would have meant more game time for TU as well) 

I know the situation in San Antonio but I am told it is similar in most if not all SCAC schools since the schools (and not the conference) gets the officials.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 18, 2008, 11:36:44 PM
I won't speak for every other school, but, as a point of reference, DePauw's officials are assigned by the HCAC.  Also, I said "all of those approximately 20 seconds".  Not exceptional from a grammar standpoint, but I think you get the point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 18, 2008, 11:39:24 PM
With both Wisconsin-Eau Claire and Capital losing today, looks like Millsaps should be a good bet to crack the Top 10.

Wes, it seems hard to believe something so elementary would be continually mishandled.  Did the DePauw sideline argue this, and the officials continued to let it go?  The sequence you described should have taken 20 seconds, tops.  That alone was a wasted minute, and if this was a consistent pattern, it's not unthinkable that 5 minutes of game time elapsed in error.  Did this occur for Trinity incomplete passes as well?  The flip side is Trinity was potentially screwed out of some time-of-possession as well, so with the added time either team could have done some damage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 19, 2008, 12:50:08 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 18, 2008, 11:39:24 PM
With both Wisconsin-Eau Claire and Capital losing today, looks like Millsaps should be a good bet to crack the Top 10.

While the Majors appreciate the confidence of you folks, wabashcpa, they'll need to be playing better than they did today before that trip to Trinity and particularly before anyone starts to talk playoffs!  Nov. 1 should tell the tale!

TigerDad, I hope your son's injury is not serious.

Wes, is there any video that can help you in your cause related to clock operation?

And is there any officiating evaluation done by the SCAC (or ASC, etc.)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2008, 10:12:28 AM
Let me start off by also saying that I hope the injury to Chris Baer isn't serious.  I'm sure someone will give us an update when more is known.

-----------Now on to my post on the Millsaps-Sewanee game.

Millsaps has reached a point where continuing to win will eventually get them into the top 10.  If Millsaps was currently ranked 20th and needed to catch the attention of the voters, then maybe Saturday's game would have ended a little different.

Millsaps was up 38-3 after 3 quarters.  In the 4th quarter Sewanee had touchdown drives of 51 and 76 yards on their last two possessions.  Those 127 yards gave Sewanee 237 total yards of offense for the game so it can make the final total a little deceptive (Sewnaee had 19 more yards in the 4th on another drive).  Millsaps had a fairly mild 344 yards of total offense for the game, but only had 3 yards of offense in the 4th quarter.  All in all, the final score and the final stats don't give as accurate a picture as the score and stats at the end of 3 quarters. 

Major Rev indicated that Millsaps didn't play so great yesterday and at first I thought somewhat the same thing.  He and I and other fans might have gotten a little spoiled and we expect every offensive drive to be a 2 minute TD drive and we expect a 3 and out from the defense every time.  If a person had left the game after 3 quarters they would have left a 38-3 game where one team had 341 yards of offense and had allow their opponent about 100 yards.  And while Sewanee is now 1-4 in the SCAC, their previous 3 losses were respectable at DePauw (27-20), home against Centre (28-16), and at Austin (33-22).  All in all, it was a very solid win for Millsaps.

I did have one thought about the Millsaps game and maybe some of you can answer this question.  I was told a couple of years ago that the SCAC requires you to send a tape/DVD of your last game to your upcoming SCAC opponent.  If that's the case, then Trinity will get the copy of yesterday's game since Millsaps has a bye next week.  If Millsaps looked a little more workman-like in yesterday's game and somewhat lacking in flair, maybe that's the reason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 19, 2008, 10:24:04 AM
QuoteSay you play out that game with correct clock operation 100 times, does Trinity win every single time?  If there's even a shadow of a doubt that DePauw wins at least 1 time, then this was a horrible injustice.

Well said, Wes....the officials were just flat incompetent...pathetic. Beyond the clock fiasco there were numerous blown calls, or no call that were right in front of them...and on the bothched onside kick evidence they had lost total control of the game...officials are going to miss calls and get some things wrong from time to  time...they are human...but these guys simply had no business officiating a D III football game, period.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 19, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
I believe a committee should be formed to investigate the situation ... perhaps the game films could be subpoenaed and quarantined until an independent investigator can be assigned.  Perhaps it is a conspiracy.  Ah, I know ... there was MORE THAN ONE TIMEKEEPER ... somebody look in the library.

May I remind everyone that the hosting school has little control or influence on the choice of officials, nor over their performance or decisions during the game.  If some folks think Trinity received undue favor and that it affected the results of the DPU-TU game, they are entitled to express their opinion, but I don't agree.  I did notice a number of bad and no calls going against Trinity (onside kick anyone?), but that may be because I was sitting on the west side of the stadium.  Guess it depends upon one's team of choice and point of view.  Hmm ... imagine that in a discussion about a sporting event!

Bottom line: Trinity won and continues their quest for the SCAC title ... DePauw lost and will not.  I believe Trinity will go to Sewanee next week to TCB while the Majors rest up ... still should set up "The Game" on November 1st.  Should be a good one and hope everyone interested can make it to San Antonio for the rematch.

Wow, y'all.  Hope everybody feels better this morning after a good night's sleep.

Thanks for your concern, frank.  I believe Chris's injury was actually an aggravation of a bruise or hit he received earlier in the week or perhaps even in a previous game.  He said it was already sore before the game.  I am thankful for a team doctor, trainer, and coaches who would protect him from further injury, even in an important game.  Turns out Trinity's offense managed well without him this week.  We won't know the details until further tests are run, but I don't think it's serious.  I doubt that the exact nature of his condition will be revealed on the message board (for obvious reasons), but I expect he will play again soon.

Again, thanks for asking ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 19, 2008, 11:24:01 AM
I'm glad to hear Chris hasn't got something severe.  Having both Chris and Al healthy are key to long term success. 

I'm sort of laughing at this entire clock mess.  I thought the officials overall were pretty crappy yesterday.  But, as a newbie to D-3 football, I've experience a lot more bad officiating than good. 

The on-side kick that wasn't was a great example.  I'm still not sure what they came up with or why. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 19, 2008, 11:32:26 AM
I'm with you guys about the 'on-side' mess.  Wow, first they said DPU got it and setup to play, then after further review they reversed the call and gave iit to TU, then after debating things with the DPU coaching staff, a "do-over" was considered and after five minutes of debate, a penalty on TU surfaced (w/penalty yardage) forcing TU to re-kick deep.  I don't think TU video of the webcast will show clock problems,,, but we'll see when it's downloaded.  Maybe the endzone camera from the scissor-lift?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 19, 2008, 11:56:18 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 19, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
I believe a committee should be formed to investigate the situation ... perhaps the game films could be subpoenaed and quarantined until an independent investigator can be assigned.  Perhaps it is a conspiracy.  Ah, I know ... there was MORE THAN ONE TIMEKEEPER ... somebody look in the library.

Well, first, I'd love to.  But, that information is nowhere to be found in the internets.  You may be in closer proximity to this magical library than the rest of us.

Quote from: TigerDad on October 19, 2008, 10:45:00 AMMay I remind everyone that the hosting school has little control or influence on the choice of officials, nor over their performance or decisions during the game. 

I've never alleged any kind of conspiracy.  Please, Mr. Baer, I encourage to quote me on accusing such of a thing.  I never said anyone with Trinity is colluding with officials to gain some sort of unfair advantage.  There are a lot of DePauw fans AND others close to the program who believe that without a shadow of a doubt.  It's awful hard to not make that conclusion with all the crap that's happened to DePauw on that field, but I choose to not believe that.

What I do believe is that there are a LOT of familiar faces on that crew every single time we make the trip to Trinity.  I also believe that Bob King isn't turning a blind eye to that and just not paying attention.  That would be reckless.  I'd love to look that up as well, but the officials aren't listed on Trinity's box scores for one reason or another.  That's not a cheap shot at my good friend Justin Parker, but they're just not there.  Maybe you can get that information for me when you find the timekeeper(s) in your library.

I don't believe those familiar faces are in anybody's pocket.  Not the pocket of Dwayne Hanberry, John Brazil, Mr. King, Coach Mohr, Chris Baer's dad, historymajor, or the Easter Bunny for that matter.  I say again, Mr. Baer, for EXTREME clarity, that I have not alleged conspiracy.  Not yesterday, not in 2006, not in 2002 (which featured one of my favorite all-time officiating gaffes regarding a measurement..I digress), not ever.  I have never said that Trinity University is working in hand with the officials they hire to give themselves some nature of an unfair advantage.  Trinity probably had no control over whatever jerkoff decided to run the clock after incomplete passes yesterday.  But, it sure did work in their favor late in the game when they were up by two scores. 

What I am alleging is that it ain't that hard to A) find a different crew for every game and B) find somebody with an IQ higher than 9 to understand the rules of the game and implement them properly to crew of assistants (clock operators, scoreboard operators, chain gang, etc) provided by Trinity University or any other school in this nation.  If freaking Blackburn and Hiram can figure out how to run a clock right, then the team who has won 15 of 16 conference championships or whatever it is ought to be able to, as well.  This isn't rocket science, fella.  It's football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 19, 2008, 12:44:34 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 19, 2008, 10:45:00 AM
May I remind everyone that the hosting school has little control or influence on the choice of officials, nor over their performance or decisions during the game. 


Sir:
I will assume you are not really aware of how it is done at Trinity.  Your statement re the hosting school having no choice or influence over the officials is absolutely incorrect when it comes to Trinity (or most any school in the SCAC for that matter)  I am intimately familiar with the Trinity /San Antonio situation and your statement is incorrect.  Does not make Trinity the great Satan but it is an unhealthy situation, and one that is NOT unique to Trinity. Check out the box scores from past Trinity games and see who is working them.  You are going to see essentially the same folks game after game.  That being said, look at the DePauw Univ box scores and you will see that for the 3 home games they have had, the same crew has already worked 2 of them this season. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 19, 2008, 12:47:19 PM
Quote from: historymajor on October 19, 2008, 11:32:26 AM
I'm with you guys about the 'on-side' mess.  Wow, first they said DPU got it and setup to play, then after further review they reversed the call and gave iit to TU, then after debating things with the DPU coaching staff, a "do-over" was considered and after five minutes of debate, a penalty on TU surfaced (w/penalty yardage) forcing TU to re-kick deep.  I don't think TU video of the webcast will show clock problems,,, but we'll see when it's downloaded.  Maybe the endzone camera from the scissor-lift?

Was this an onside kick early in the 2d half?  What did you see happen on the play (not what the refs did , but what happened from when ball was kicked until it became dead?)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 19, 2008, 01:44:10 PM
Wes, I apologize in my weak efforts to inject just a tiny bit of humor into what seems to be an unusually tense discussion.  Sorry if I have offended you or caused you to feel the need to defend yourself.  Next time, I will include the appropriate smiley to indicate my tone.

TXMike, thank you for that explanation.  However, as a resident of a small town in Texas (Class 1A high school), I am accustomed to seeing the same familiar incompetent officials on the field.  This has more to do with availability of those lesser-skilled officials than any attempt to "get" the same guys to work our games.  We have a saying in 1A football that may apply to San Antonio and perhaps D3 in general: "We don't get the best officials."

Again, I apologize for any remarks I made that may have offended y'all.  I was simply trying to diffuse the emotion ... apparently unsuccessfully.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 19, 2008, 01:54:01 PM
No apology necessary, sir.  I'm just really, really frustrated.  I'm frustrated that DePauw lost to Trinity again.  That has very little to do with the clock.

I'm frustrated that we're having this conversation, which for those of us who've been on this board for a few years, it seems like we have to have every two years.  The only problem I have with this is that while you may not be getting the best officials, you sure do get the same bad officials, which is a problem.  I don't really hate the officials DePauw gets, but they're at least different.  I researched all the way back to the turn of the century, and only one official worked 3 games in the same season.  Lonnie Sapp was the field judge for 3 of DePauw's 5 games in 2003.  In fact, one year DePauw had 30 different officials work their 5 home games.  If 30 different guys can come to tiny ol' Greencastle, Indiana, then logic would hold that the same thing is at possible in metropolitan area the size of San Antonio.  I'm sure there are enough officials approved to have a different crew.  That sounds more like a problem with who's assigning them than anyone else.

I had an anonymous email come into the inbox this morning, and if I'm wrong about this, I'll gladly apologize to all offended parties in advance, but whoever this person was, they said that the head linesman for yesterday's game had worked somewhere near 20 consecutive Trinity home games.  Can anyone here confirm that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 19, 2008, 01:54:01 PMIf 30 different guys can come to tiny ol' Greencastle, Indiana, then logic would hold that the same thing is at possible in metropolitan area the size of San Antonio. 

That doesn't make one bit of sense, Wes, sorry. How many Division III football games are within three hours of Greencastle on a weekly basis and how many are within three hours of San Antonio?

I think it's fairly easy to suggest that there actually are not many officiating crews for this level in the San Antonio area at all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 19, 2008, 02:22:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 19, 2008, 01:54:01 PMIf 30 different guys can come to tiny ol' Greencastle, Indiana, then logic would hold that the same thing is at possible in metropolitan area the size of San Antonio. 

That doesn't make one bit of sense, Wes, sorry. How many Division III football games are within three hours of Greencastle on a weekly basis and how many are within three hours of San Antonio?

I think it's fairly easy to suggest that there actually are not many officiating crews for this level in the San Antonio area at all.

Based on the events of yesterday, I'd have to surmise that there may not be any. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 19, 2008, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 19, 2008, 01:54:01 PMIf 30 different guys can come to tiny ol' Greencastle, Indiana, then logic would hold that the same thing is at possible in metropolitan area the size of San Antonio. 
How many Division III football games are within three hours of Greencastle on a weekly basis and how many are within three hours of San Antonio?

Not many.  Maybe 2 or 3 in a given week.  But there's a whole bunch of NCAA games.  By my count, there are about 25 teams playing NCAA football (*clap clap clap*) DEEP IN THE HEART OF TEXAS! You don't need special accrediation to work a Division III game compared to a Division I game.  I've been down to Millsaps and we've had Penn Wagers' crew, who is routinely calling SEC games on CBS.  We've had Big Ten crews from time to time.  It's not just about D3 games.  It's about the number of officials with the appropriate credentials to legally officiate.  My (poorly articulated) point was, I'd wager there's more than 9 or 10 within the 3 hours of  San Antonio, which is just about how many Trinity runs through in a given year.  Maybe not 30 different guys, sure, but at least a few different crews.

EDIT: Furtermore, TLU (Seguin,TX - 45 minutes away) had the same officials (a crew belonging to referee Ryan Bading) for just 2 of their 5 home games last year.  In 2006, Ryan Bading's crew worked 3 of the 6 home games.  A Ford Sasser led crew officiatied two of the remaining three.  Nobody officiated more than 3.  That's certainly not ideal, but it's a heckuva lot better than what we're talking about.  Particularly if one official hasn't missed a home game since the Dan DesPlaines era.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 19, 2008, 04:44:49 PM
In the San Antonio area, there are not many (non-D-I) collegiate programs...

Texas A&M Kingsville
Texas Lutheran
Trinity

Every other program is at least 150 miles away from San Antonio.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 19, 2008, 04:48:00 PM
I'm not really sure anyone can say the clock had no bearing on the game.  That clearly would have effected what DePauw was doing late.  5 minutes is a LONG time in football.  Just ask the Houston Texans who blew a 17 point lead in that span.

Also, correct me if I am wrong, didn't the game essentially end when DePauw didnt get an onside kick?  I was only half watching the live stats so I could certainly be wrong but if thats the case then YES the clock played a major role b/c odds are they would not have been kicking an onsider at the point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 19, 2008, 05:06:21 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 18, 2008, 11:39:24 PM
With both Wisconsin-Eau Claire and Capital losing today, looks like Millsaps should be a good bet to crack the Top 10.

Wes, it seems hard to believe something so elementary would be continually mishandled.  Did the DePauw sideline argue this, and the officials continued to let it go?  

I actually missed your post about this buried at the bottom a couple of pages back.  The answer to that question is yes.  DePauw did argue. I was told the officials did conference, and it was apparently the final decision of the head referee to proceed with the clock moving when the ball was whistled ready.  Boy, to be a fly on the wall during that conference and the 5 minute conference about the onside kick.  Probably pretty funny stuff.

Despite the further protest of the DePauw sideline, no change was made to the clock rules.  Upon further review, I'm told that they did indeed stop the clock in the last two minutes of both halves on incomplete passes, so perhaps they confused it with the out of bounds thing.  I just don't know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 19, 2008, 05:16:46 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 19, 2008, 01:54:01 PMIf 30 different guys can come to tiny ol' Greencastle, Indiana, then logic would hold that the same thing is at possible in metropolitan area the size of San Antonio. 

That doesn't make one bit of sense, Wes, sorry. How many Division III football games are within three hours of Greencastle on a weekly basis and how many are within three hours of San Antonio?

I think it's fairly easy to suggest that there actually are not many officiating crews for this level in the San Antonio area at all.

Actually there are MANY guys right there in San Antonio who could do a fine job.  They are just not permitted to do the TU games because, as I said, the home school there is picking the guys.  Maybe this is not well known outside of Texas but HS football in Texas is played under NCAA rules with just a very few exceptions.  Therefore there are MANY guys who are well versed in the NCAA rules and who, if given the chance, would do a fine job there.  As I said earlier, if you can find the Trinity box scores which include the ref's names and you research them for years you will find something that might (or might not) amaze you.   I suspect the same would be true for many other D-III schools. 

The San Antonio football officials chapter has about  300 members, including guys in various college conferences who work HS football when they can.  Just up the road  about 75 miles is the Austin Chapter which has over 200 members , again all trained on NCAA rules. 

There is a D-III conference in Texas and Loisianna (American Southwest Conference) which provides officials for the ASC games  Those guys come from all over the State of Texas and are willing to travel pretty long distances as they are sent to different schools by the ASC friom week to week.  I am quite sure if Trinity wanted a more diverse group of officials, they could get them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 19, 2008, 05:27:56 PM

I definitely am trying to change the subject.  I don't know how much more you could say about all of the officiating.

The other embarrassment at EM Stevens Stadium yesterday was the condition of the field.  Clearly, they've moved from the baseball outfield to the football field for practice, which I though wouldn't happen for another week or so.  In any case, after all the full tuition playing students and recognition that program has brought to the school, it is hard to conceive that Trinity would allow its most visible program to be seen playing in that sand pit. 

Please tell me that someone has some information on how the current campaign is going to aid the stadium.  Anyone...anyone...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2008, 05:43:48 PM
On a different note, I have posted some photos from the Sewanee vs Millsaps game.  I knew I wouldn't have time to take photos of all the sports this year so my original plan was to take none.  I eventually realized that taking some photos was better than none, so I have taken photos at some soccer and volleyball, but football is just too big a project, especially with the JV team.  Plus, there are several parents taking football photos so that sport is getting covered.

Anyway, I had my camera at Millsaps for a volleyball game yesterday and while I didn't intend to take football photos, it just sort of happened.  It's not the complete game, the shots were taken from the stands, and I only had a 70-200 lens, but they turned out okay.  Here's the link and I recommend using the slideshow feature to see the photos full screen:

http://fle-pics.smugmug.com/gallery/6305237_zE4Q8#397635087_CtAEt
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 19, 2008, 06:37:22 PM
Also on a different note, I want to thank everyone for the updates yesterday!  I enjoyed being able to follow the action away from my computer.  Thanks again guys, look forward to being in SA in a couple of weeks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2008, 06:57:00 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 19, 2008, 02:35:07 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2008, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 19, 2008, 01:54:01 PMIf 30 different guys can come to tiny ol' Greencastle, Indiana, then logic would hold that the same thing is at possible in metropolitan area the size of San Antonio. 
How many Division III football games are within three hours of Greencastle on a weekly basis and how many are within three hours of San Antonio?

Not many.  Maybe 2 or 3 in a given week.  But there's a whole bunch of NCAA games.  By my count, there are about 25 teams playing NCAA football (*clap clap clap*) DEEP IN THE HEART OF TEXAS! You don't need special accrediation to work a Division III game compared to a Division I game. 

No, Wes, but you need to be willing to work for a loooooooooooooot less pay to work a D-III game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 19, 2008, 08:26:08 PM
No kidding there.

Don't have any football refs as clients, but I do have a basketball ref, and last year he had a game in Greencastle and was paid $125.  The vast majority of his games are D-1 (mostly Summit League), where the usual pay per game is $1,200.  So I can only assume the disparity is similar in football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 19, 2008, 08:41:18 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 19, 2008, 06:57:00 PM
No, Wes, but you need to be willing to work for a loooooooooooooot less pay to work a D-III game.

Maybe I just don't get it, but if I lived in Austin, and I wasn't on UT's crew, or A&M's crew, or Houston's crew... so and and so forth.... I'd have two choices - I could sit on my ass and make no money, or drive the 75 miles or whatever it is and make a little extra.  Seems like a no-brainer to me.  But, whatever.  Not really trying to argue about semantics.

I think my friend has established that there are plenty of other referees to pick from if Trinity was actually interested in such a thing, which was what I was first trying to get at. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 19, 2008, 08:48:38 PM
Money could even be a consideration for non D-1 guys in some cases.  HS games in Texas pay officials according to the size of the gate.  It is not unusual to make more for a Texas HS game than you can make at a D-III game.  So if there has to be a choice between the 2.... well, you figure it out.  Since Trinity is playing on Saturday afternoon's there is no serious competition with HS games in the area as most of them will be done Fri  night but it is still a consideration. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 19, 2008, 08:51:43 PM
Wow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 19, 2008, 09:06:16 PM
On another note;   ;D

I am proud of the resurgence of the Roos!  I have not seen Rhodes since AC joined the conference.  Can anyone give me some info on their offense, defense, best players, etc.?  What can I expect when I watch the Homecoming game this weekend??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 19, 2008, 09:21:23 PM
Penalties-Yards...............     4-30     5-55

For all this bitching, you'd think the 5-55 was DePauw.  It was TU.   4 penalties on one side, 5 on the other.  Pretty even in numbers, but not yards.  That's the way it goes.

I doubt quite seriously that anyone in the booth purposely kept the clock running.  Maybe the guy on the field didn't signal to stop it.  I have no idea.  Incompetence?  Maybe they messed up in DePauw's favor as well yesterday at times.  

It had little to nothing to determine the outcome.  

Spud's 3 INTs, 1 returned for the TD had a lot more to do with it.  Or maybe the 43 total rushing yards TU allowed.  Or maybe the 177 rushing yards the DePauw defense allowed.  

I certainly don't mean to be disrespectful to the DePauw kids:  they played their butts off, hard hitting, maximum effort.  They were not able to get it done.  I'd not blame it on the officials though.  You totally discount the athletes' efforts in the process.

I'm sure the next response or two will be, "but we aren't saying that's why they lost".  Okay, maybe you aren't but the clock thing is all you're talking about.  A few seconds at best.  


Wanna see some bad officiating?  Go to Birmingham/TU game boxscore.  

Penalties-Yards...............     8-69     4-19


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 19, 2008, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 19, 2008, 09:21:23 PM
It had little to nothing to determine the outcome. 

I'll say it again.  A LOT can happen in 5 minutes of football.

It really does not matter what had happened up to that point.  To have so much time taken away by a flat out horrible interpretation of the rules is awful.

There have been many late game comebacks in football and to blow what happened off as having little to no impact on the game makes zero sense IMO.

It was a close enough game that losing 5 minutes would be a very big deal to me if I had been playing on either team.

Its also not just the game ending early that would be an issue either.  That means all four quarters were stopped sooner than they should have been.  That has an impact on the entire game from what wind and field conditions your squad is dealing with to your clock/game management to your play calling.

Also, I do not think simply looking at how many penalties and yards were called on each other tells you much at all concerning how good or bad the refs were.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 19, 2008, 09:52:38 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 19, 2008, 09:21:23 PM
Penalties-Yards...............     4-30     5-55

For all this bitching, you'd think the 5-55 was DePauw.  It was TU.   4 penalties on one side, 5 on the other.  Pretty even in numbers, but not yards.  That's the way it goes.

I doubt quite seriously that anyone in the booth purposely kept the clock running.  Maybe the guy on the field didn't signal to stop it.  I have no idea.  Incompetence?  Maybe they messed up in DePauw's favor as well yesterday at times.  

Wanna see some bad officiating?  Go to Birmingham/TU game boxscore.  

Penalties-Yards...............     8-69     4-19




Nobody who really knows football would compare penalties to assess quality of officiating. 

You are correct in the assessment of it not being the clock operator's fault. It is up to the guys on the field to know the rules and know when to stop and start the clock.  They did not do so throughout this game when it came to incomplete passes.  Who knows how much time was lost  (Of course it was time lost to both teams so the fact there was lost time may not have even affected the final outcome)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 19, 2008, 10:01:57 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 19, 2008, 09:21:23 PM
Penalties-Yards...............     4-30     5-55

For all this bitching, you'd think the 5-55 was DePauw.  It was TU.   4 penalties on one side, 5 on the other.  Pretty even in numbers, but not yards.  That's the way it goes.

I doubt quite seriously that anyone in the booth purposely kept the clock running.  Maybe the guy on the field didn't signal to stop it.  I have no idea.  Incompetence?  Maybe they messed up in DePauw's favor as well yesterday at times.  

It had little to nothing to determine the outcome.  

I don't care about the outcome.  At the rate we're going, DePauw couldn't beat Trinity anywhere on this planet even if Nick Mourouzis was the head referee.  I'm not bitter that Trinity played better.  I'm not bitter that DePauw's given them nearly half a hundred two years in a row.

I care about your university providing a fair and equal opportunity for both teams to win a football game while strictly adhering to the rulebook.  Isn't that really the ONLY responsibility that an official has?  Knowing the rules?  If he's not doing that, then the what the hell is he doing?  The fact that you can't recognize that such a thing occured is apalling to me.  Maybe they did mess up in DePauw's favor.  That's just as bad.  Screwing it up for both doesn't make it more better, as my old man used to say.  Just get it right.  Particularly when somebody points out exactly what rule you're screwing up and you ignore them so you can continue to screw it up more.  Somebody needs to end the streak of those guys officiating eleventy Trinity games in a row and get a crew in there who has a clue about the rules.  There's a clear conflict of interest there even if they are good officials, but that's not my point.

It's going to be a real shame when Millsaps comes to town and everybody's good friends, the same old Trinity officiating crew, screw something up like they did on Saturday and it does actually affect the outcome.  What an enormous embarassment that would be for this entire conference in what may be it's biggest game ever.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2008, 10:24:18 PM
Millsaps moves up to #8 in the D3football poll.  I have to think that is reflective more of the results in San Antonio and Belton than the result in Jackson this Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 19, 2008, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: TXMike on October 19, 2008, 09:52:38 PM
Nobody who really knows football would compare penalties to assess quality of officiating. 

Maybe so, TXMike, but that was a very condescending comment.  Let me assure you that other folks on this board may "know" more or less than you or I do about football.  I don't think Tex is really uninformed just because he disagrees with some of the earlier posts, do you?  He. like many of us, was at the game and is just as entitled to his analysis as you are yours.  I thought the officiating was sub-par, but that Trinity beat DePauw fair and square.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 20, 2008, 01:49:27 AM
Frank, It's nice to see the SCAC getting some love in the DIII poll. With Milsaps @ 8 and Trinity @ 14, Nov1 is shaping up to be a gateway for Milsaps to break into top 5 or Trinity to get into the top ten. What I am concerned about the most is our defensive play over last 2 weeks. Granted Coach Dubose has subbed pretty heavily in the final quarter of those games, they just haven't looked as good as they did in first half of season. This bye week comes at the perfect time to see if we can heal prior to Trinity. I hope Dubose and crew work hard on conditioning the 1st string for a full 60 minutes of play.  I am excited to say that Hotel, Air and Car are locked in for the trip to SA, this one I'm not going to miss. We may as well enjoy this season. If Millsaps wins this game and wins out the regualr season, I would expect Mike Dubose to be standing on a different sideline come next Sep. DII or possibly DI. Who knows, poor old Clemson couls sure use his talent not to mention a few others.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 20, 2008, 05:26:41 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 19, 2008, 10:42:17 PM
Quote from: TXMike on October 19, 2008, 09:52:38 PM
Nobody who really knows football would compare penalties to assess quality of officiating. 

Maybe so, TXMike, but that was a very condescending comment.  Let me assure you that other folks on this board may "know" more or less than you or I do about football.  I don't think Tex is really uninformed just because he disagrees with some of the earlier posts, do you?  He. like many of us, was at the game and is just as entitled to his analysis as you are yours.  I thought the officiating was sub-par, but that Trinity beat DePauw fair and square.

So what is your point?  Do you agree that comparing penalty numbers and yardages is a way to evaluate officiating ?  If so then you know as little about the game as he does.  I am not defending the officiating in that game although so far the "only" thing they got wrong according to the posts here is the timing (although that is a HUGE error).   But if you are going to slam the officiating it should be with concrete examples.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2008, 07:22:56 AM
It seems like the point was that it's okay to disagree about things on the message board, it's just that there's no need to be so disagreeable when you have a differing point of view.  Saying, "I never found the number of penalties in a game to be a very good measure of good or bad officiating" is different from a personal slam like, "Nobody who really knows football would compare penalties to assess quality of officiating".

I can't say with certainty that this was TigerDad's point, but it was what I was thinking when I read your post with the "Nobody who really knows football...." comment. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 20, 2008, 08:51:18 AM
Quote from: KentATM on October 19, 2008, 09:44:27 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 19, 2008, 09:21:23 PM
It had little to nothing to determine the outcome. 

I'll say it again.  A LOT can happen in 5 minutes of football.

It really does not matter what had happened up to that point.  To have so much time taken away by a flat out horrible interpretation of the rules is awful.

There have been many late game comebacks in football and to blow what happened off as having little to no impact on the game makes zero sense IMO.

It was a close enough game that losing 5 minutes would be a very big deal to me if I had been playing on either team.

Its also not just the game ending early that would be an issue either.  That means all four quarters were stopped sooner than they should have been.  That has an impact on the entire game from what wind and field conditions your squad is dealing with to your clock/game management to your play calling.

Also, I do not think simply looking at how many penalties and yards were called on each other tells you much at all concerning how good or bad the refs were.


Now we're up to 5 minutes?  Did anyone actually watch this game?  Good gravy. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 20, 2008, 08:56:24 AM
never mind
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2008, 09:42:51 AM
Sometimes that clock operation can work against the home team.  As all of you know, the College Football Play of the Year started with 2 seconds on the clock.  It just so happens that when Millsaps kicked a field goal in that game to extend the lead to 24-16 late in the 4th quarter, the clock actually gained 2 seconds instead of running off any time:

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on October 20, 2008, 10:25:44 AM
If ifs and buts were candy and nuts.... my Roos would be 6-1!!!  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 20, 2008, 10:31:38 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2008, 09:42:51 AM
Sometimes that clock operation can work against the home team.  As all of you know, the College Football Play of the Year started with 2 seconds on the clock.  It just so happens that when Millsaps kicked a field goal in that game to extend the lead to 24-16 late in the 4th quarter, the clock actually gained 2 seconds instead of running off any time:

That's nuts.  So when Havercamp beat us with a last second FG last year, we should have demanded more time be put on the clock!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 20, 2008, 10:43:18 AM
QuoteThat's nuts.  So when Havercamp beat us with a last second FG last year, we should have demanded more time be put on the clock!

Good one! ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fb52 on October 20, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
Hey Wes I am new to this board but with this clock thing appearing to be the blunder that it is can someone, anyone go right to the top and I mean the NCAA and put in a formal grievence? I would do so along with a grievence to the SCAC head office. The thought of these same officials calling most all of these Trinity games and getting away with this is unbelieveable to me. I didn't hear if anybody said the clock was wound incorrectly when Trinity had the ball and threw incompletions?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 20, 2008, 12:05:49 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2008, 07:22:56 AM
I can't say with certainty that this was TigerDad's point, but it was what I was thinking when I read your post with the "Nobody who really knows football...." comment. 

Frank ... yes, exactly my point.  No need to insult others' intelligence in a disagreement.  I have no bone to pick either way ... I'm satisfied with the score on the scoreboard at the end of the game.  Looking forward to the next games ... especially the Majors visit on Nov 1st!  Let me know if you plan to make the trip ... would like to visit with you there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2008, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: fb52 on October 20, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
Hey Wes I am new to this board but with this clock thing appearing to be the blunder that it is can someone, anyone go right to the top and I mean the NCAA and put in a formal grievence? I would do so along with a grievence to the SCAC head office. The thought of these same officials calling most all of these Trinity games and getting away with this is unbelieveable to me. I didn't hear if anybody said the clock was wound incorrectly when Trinity had the ball and threw incompletions?

The thought of someone 'new to this board' without a concrete understanding of the situation coming and jumping on what is essentially a bunch of hearsay is what's unbelievable to me.  According to my brother, who was present at the game, the clock was wound during all incompletions.   

By all means, if someone in a position of responsibility thinks there is an issue, it should be taken to the SCAC office, not just hurled around on a message board.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fb52 on October 20, 2008, 01:33:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2008, 12:10:41 PM
Quote from: fb52 on October 20, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
Hey Wes I am new to this board but with this clock thing appearing to be the blunder that it is can someone, anyone go right to the top and I mean the NCAA and put in a formal grievence? I would do so along with a grievence to the SCAC head office. The thought of these same officials calling most all of these Trinity games and getting away with this is unbelieveable to me. I didn't hear if anybody said the clock was wound incorrectly when Trinity had the ball and threw incompletions?

The thought of someone 'new to this board' without a concrete understanding of the situation coming and jumping on what is essentially a bunch of hearsay is what's unbelievable to me.  According to my brother, who was present at the game, the clock was wound during all incompletions.   

By all means, if someone in a position of responsibility thinks there is an issue, it should be taken to the SCAC office, not just hurled around on a message board.  



Just because I am new to this board I certainly am not new to reading this board and very farmiliar with the SCAC teams. In fact I have been reading this board for over 3 years now especially since my son is a starter on an SCAC team. How rude and arogant you are to make such a statement. I asked this because Wes had evidence from the stats that the clock ran on incompletions when Depauw had the ball. That is not hearsay. I further asked about if the clock also ran when Trinity had the ball because I didn't see any comments to that fact. You know nothing about me or my knowledge of this conference or the game of football. It is comments like this that probably keep more people from registering and participating on this message board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 01:54:13 PM
Deep breath, 52 -- all Ron had to go on was what you said and you said you were new.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fb52 on October 20, 2008, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 01:54:13 PM
Deep breath, 52 -- all Ron had to go on was what you said and you said you were new.

It is obvious that I was "new" to posting on this message board but he should not have assumed that I didn't know what I was talking about bacause of that. It seemed to me there was sufficient evidence not hearsay on what Wes was talking about
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2008, 02:29:05 PM
Until all of this started, I thought I knew the rule about the game clock and an incompleted pass.  Now I'm not sure that I do know the rule.  Which of the following is correct for D3 football:

1) The game clock stops after an incompleted pass and it does not restart until the ball is snapped.
2) The game clock stops after an incompleted pass and it is restarted after the ball is set.
3) The game clock is up to the official on the field and if he wants the clock to run he signals the clock operator to start that sucker.

I always thought it was #1 and that there wasn't any room for interpretation, but I've been wrong plenty of times before.  However, if #1 is correct, then I'm surprised that the officials wouldn't get the misunderstanding corrected once they realized that the clock was continuing to run.  

Most of the time people will say that the one thing they want from officiating is consistency, but I don't think that means they want something to be consistently wrong.  IF the clock should be stopped and not restarted until the ball is snapped, then it is somewhat scary that there would be someone on the clock all game that didn't know the rule and that the officials wouldn't correct the situation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 20, 2008, 02:33:25 PM
An attempt to change gears here, most of you saw the article about Juan Joseph last week in the local Jackson paper, this is another atricle about Coach Dubose from an affliate paper in MS.

http://www.northeastledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20081015/SPORTS/810150308/1003

Another nice article on the job Dubose has done with rebuilding this program.  I know all who read this site don't hold Dubose in high regard, but he has done an amazing job with the Millsaps football team in such a short period of time.  Again the question will be does he remain satisified with building a power at the DIII level or does the call to move back into the higher ranks overshadow the success to date at Millsaps.  Based on some of his comments after the Sewanee game last week, I get the sense he is not satisfied with where this team is right now and sees a lot more potential, kinda scary if this is true.  Of course November 1st should shed a lot more light on the caliber of this team!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 20, 2008, 02:45:07 PM
QuoteBased on some of his comments after the Sewanee game last week, I get the sense he is not satisfied with where this team is right now and sees a lot more potential, kinda scary if this is true.  Of course November 1st should shed a lot more light on the caliber of this team!

I think we got a sense for how good the Majors can be when we were in Jackson October 4...very nice looking team indeed! And nice to see both Millsaps and Trinity getting some respect in the polls...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: fb52 on October 20, 2008, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 01:54:13 PM
Deep breath, 52 -- all Ron had to go on was what you said and you said you were new.

It is obvious that I was "new" to posting on this message board but he should not have assumed that I didn't know what I was talking about bacause of that. It seemed to me there was sufficient evidence not hearsay on what Wes was talking about

If you've been lurking for a long time and just started  posting, that's certainly different, but you didn't say that. You implied the opposite.

If you've truly been lurking for a while then you have seen other posters register, do a drive-by slam on one team or another and never return. So that's the context Ron was probably working from.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 03:08:04 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2008, 02:29:05 PM
Until all of this started, I thought I knew the rule about the game clock and an incompleted pass.  Now I'm not sure that I do know the rule.  Which of the following is correct for D3 football:

1) The game clock stops after an incompleted pass and it does not restart until the ball is snapped.
2) The game clock stops after an incompleted pass and it is restarted after the ball is set.
3) The game clock is up to the official on the field and if he wants the clock to run he signals the clock operator to start that sucker.

I believe 1 and 3 are both correct. The clock operator must do what the officials on the field say in terms of running the clock, even in the instance that the official on the field is blatantly wrong.

In fact, this happened at the game I was at this week as well, mostly an official who struggled with when to use 25 or 40 seconds on the play clock.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fb52 on October 20, 2008, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 03:05:57 PM
Quote from: fb52 on October 20, 2008, 02:06:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 01:54:13 PM
Deep breath, 52 -- all Ron had to go on was what you said and you said you were new.

It is obvious that I was "new" to posting on this message board but he should not have assumed that I didn't know what I was talking about bacause of that. It seemed to me there was sufficient evidence not hearsay on what Wes was talking about

If you've been lurking for a long time and just started  posting, that's certainly different, but you didn't say that. You implied the opposite.

If you've truly been lurking for a while then you have seen other posters register, do a drive-by slam on one team or another and never return. So that's the context Ron was probably working from.

"Lurking" What exactly does that mean?  I didn't  bash any team. I believe it was the officials that I directed my question to Wes and not the entire forum. I certainly can see why some posters never come back.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 20, 2008, 04:01:53 PM
Quote from: fb52 on October 20, 2008, 11:57:21 AM
Hey Wes I am new to this board but with this clock thing appearing to be the blunder that it is can someone, anyone go right to the top and I mean the NCAA and put in a formal grievence? I would do so along with a grievence to the SCAC head office.

To put our squabble to rest, the home office has been made aware of the issue.  The commish reads this board, but I can almost certainly assure you that the University has made him aware of the issue from a more formal standpoint.

EDIT: And Ron is right.  The clock ran incorrectly for both teams for the entire game excluding the last two minutes of both halves.  But, the point is that the game was shorter, which makes it harder on the team who is behind to come back from two scores down.  I can't possibly say exactly how much time was lost, but I'd estimate that it was probably between 3 and 5 actual minutes off the game clock that shouldn't have been taken off.  I say again that I do feel that DePauw probably loses that game if it's 5 mintues, 5 hours, or 5 days longer.  But, we just don't know that.  No matter how firmly you believe that there was no change in outcome, we just don't know that for a certainty.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 20, 2008, 04:16:33 PM
Oh, and one more thing, here's a photo  (http://tigerpics.smugmug.com/gallery/6309718_2s9zu#398100654_3izHy-O-LB) uncovered about that onside kick fiasco.  Seems like the FJ is fairly certain that DePauw has it.  Start there and proceed the next several photos until the FJ magiaclly changes his mind and then the mysterious huddle begins.

Also, I wonder who on the TU sideline made Joeckel so mad so darned angry.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 20, 2008, 05:31:10 PM
Hey, Wes:  Thanks for providing the link to that very flattering photo of one of DePauw's kickoff coverage men signalling "first down" to the Trinity Tiger bench.  I'm sure the whole DPU community will be proud of the fine sportsmanship displayed here.  Or was he signalling to the timekeeper in the pressbox?

Perhaps you should send this photo to the "home office" along with your earlier complaints.  Did you pick that particular photo for some Freudian reason?

::)

Here's the link (slightly smaller version that doesn't overfill my screen):
http://tigerpics.smugmug.com/gallery/6309718_2s9zu#398100654_3izHy-L-LB

(Tex ... good shot!)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 20, 2008, 05:57:35 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 20, 2008, 02:45:07 PM
QuoteBased on some of his comments after the Sewanee game last week, I get the sense he is not satisfied with where this team is right now and sees a lot more potential, kinda scary if this is true.  Of course November 1st should shed a lot more light on the caliber of this team!

I think we got a sense for how good the Majors can be when we were in Jackson October 4...very nice looking team indeed! And nice to see both Millsaps and Trinity getting some respect in the polls...

True, but I was referring more to the last two games.  No offense to Centre and Sewanee, but Millsaps did not seem to have quite the passion it did against Depauw in these two games.  I have no explanation for it, just an outside observation, but Dubose seems to be on the same page as he mentioned there is room for improvement after the Sewanee game this past week.  I am sure he will have them ready for Nov. 1 with close to two weeks of preparation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 20, 2008, 05:59:46 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2008, 02:29:05 PM
 Which of the following is correct for D3 football:

1) The game clock stops after an incompleted pass and it does not restart until the ball is snapped.
2) The game clock stops after an incompleted pass and it is restarted after the ball is set.
3) The game clock is up to the official on the field and if he wants the clock to run he signals the clock operator to start that sucker.



In all NCAA, not just D-III , # 1 and 3 are correct.  There are some exceptions but they involve deliberate attempts to conserve time when such a pass is not permitted.  Ex:  Time is running out, QB runs for a 5 yd gain and sees he will be tackled so he deliberately spikes the ball, hoping clock will be stopped for the incomplete pass.  After the penalty for the illegal pass is assessed, the referee will order the clock started.  FOr nornmal, run of the mill, incomplete passes, clock restarts on the snap
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 20, 2008, 06:05:25 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 20, 2008, 05:31:10 PM
Hey, Wes:  Thanks for providing the link to that very flattering photo of one of DePauw's kickoff coverage men signalling "first down" to the Trinity Tiger bench.  I'm sure the whole DPU community will be proud of the fine sportsmanship displayed here.  Or was he signalling to the timekeeper in the pressbox?

Perhaps you should send this photo to the "home office" along with your earlier complaints.  Did you pick that particular photo for some Freudian reason?

::)

Here's the link (slightly smaller version that doesn't overfill my screen):
http://tigerpics.smugmug.com/gallery/6309718_2s9zu#398100654_3izHy-L-LB

(Tex ... good shot!)



I'm embarrassed to say that the onside kick caught me pretty much napping.  I missed what I think is the most important part of that sequence.  And that was what happened as the ball crossed the 10 yard mark.  I think the one official clearly saw the TU player with the ball on the ground, and ruled the play dead.  I'm only guessing now, with all the confusion, that a DP player wrestled the ball away after the one guy ruled it dead.  Lots of things go on on the bottom of the pile.  

The do-over had to come to play when the flag was finally dropped.  Illegal block or soemthing was called and that has me believing that maybe they ruled a TU player hit a DP player prematurely as the ball was bouncing.  I have no way of knowing that as I was admittedly napping on that play. Caught me completely off guard.  

I never really noticed the clock running at the wrong time.  Granted when you're shooting photos, the clock is not something you watch.  TU was behind a couple of times when this alleged clock thing took place.  Figured I'd point that out.

Also, how is that all these folks here are speaking with such authority on this issue?  Is there a video out there that shows this to be the case or is it simply a report from a guy that was there?  

Anyway, I ask that rhetorically as I'm going to quit talking about it.  Time to concentrate on my Tennessee travel plans.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 20, 2008, 06:12:19 PM
As has happened to even the best officials, the F mistakenly signalled possession to DU even though he saw TU with the ball.  In the ensuing discussion, someone mentioned that TU had indeed blocked before the ball had done 10 yards,  That is a foul.  Since TU had the ball, DU had to accept the penalty which means 5 yards from previous spot (30) and rekick.  Refs hate long drawn out conferences as much as anyone else but if that is what it takes to make sure a play is handled correctly, so be it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on October 20, 2008, 06:13:42 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 20, 2008, 05:31:10 PM
Hey, Wes:  Thanks for providing the link to that very flattering photo of one of DePauw's kickoff coverage men signalling "first down" to the Trinity Tiger bench.  I'm sure the whole DPU community will be proud of the fine sportsmanship displayed here.  Or was he signalling to the timekeeper in the pressbox?

Perhaps you should send this photo to the "home office" along with your earlier complaints.  Did you pick that particular photo for some Freudian reason?

::)

Here's the link (slightly smaller version that doesn't overfill my screen):
http://tigerpics.smugmug.com/gallery/6309718_2s9zu#398100654_3izHy-L-LB

(Tex ... good shot!)

OH NOES, the dreaded middle digit. Something something moral fiber, blah blah what is this world coming to, yadda yadda should be ashamed...

I thought it was pretty damn funny. I'm sure many worse sentiments are shared verbally in the heat of 60 minutes worth of battle.

Moving things forward... anybody who's seen Colorado College this year, what's going on with their offense? They shredded DPU last year in the Springs, and that was when DPU had some experience in the defensive backfield. But it doesn't look like they're having the same kind of effectiveness offensively this season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 20, 2008, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: TXMike on October 20, 2008, 06:12:19 PM
As has happened to even the best officials, the F mistakenly signalled possession to DU even though he saw TU with the ball.  In the ensuing discussion, someone mentioned that TU had indeed blocked before the ball had done 10 yards,  That is a foul.  Since TU had the ball, DU had to accept the penalty which means 5 yards from previous spot (30) and rekick.  Refs hate long drawn out conferences as much as anyone else but if that is what it takes to make sure a play is handled correctly, so be it. 

I have a friend that's a local official and I've watched him work a few 5A HS games.  I'm convinced those guys are in a thankless job and honestly try to do the best they can. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 20, 2008, 06:47:19 PM
They (we) do and I have great understanding for judgment call mistakes, (i.e was there enough contact for pass interference, was that block really in the back, etc).  People see things differently, a person might not have good enough physical skills to get in the right place at the right time, visual acuity is not equal, etc etc  But I have no sympathy when guys make mistakes that are rules-oriented, especially when it is not some rarely used rule.  The one thing they (we) can control is how much we study and learn the rules.  No excuse for not knowing them. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 20, 2008, 06:49:56 PM
QuoteOh, and one more thing, here's a photo uncovered about that onside kick fiasco.  Seems like the FJ is fairly certain that DePauw has it.  Start there and proceed the next several photos until the FJ magiaclly changes his mind and then the mysterious huddle begins.

Also, I wonder who on the TU sideline made Joeckel so mad so darned angry.

Nice photo...ref's, you're number one, baby.  ;) and actually, Wes, I believe that is #25 Thomas Wrona, not #75 Joeckel, who is unfortunately out for the season with a knee injury.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 20, 2008, 06:53:08 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 20, 2008, 06:05:25 PM
Also, how is that all these folks here are speaking with such authority on this issue?  Is there a video out there that shows this to be the case or is it simply a report from a guy that was there?  

Anyway, I ask that rhetorically as I'm going to quit talking about it.  Time to concentrate on my Tennessee travel plans.  

I'm answering anyway.  It was noticed by both DePauw coaches and DePauw staff.  I'd say they are certainly persons of "such authority" to understand the rules properly.  There's no reason to lie about such a thing.  I'm sorry that it actually happened, but this isn't being made up.

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 20, 2008, 06:49:56 PM
Nice photo...ref's, you're number one, baby.  ;) and actually, Wes, I believe that is #25 Thomas Wrona, not #75 Joeckel, who is unfortunately out for the season with a knee injury.


Thanks for the correction.  Got an email that I had misindentified Dave, as well.  Sorry. :-\ The finger is an unfortunate side effect of those sequence of photos, but since nobody could seem to understand the situation, I thought it would help to shed a little light on that very confusing sequence of events.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 20, 2008, 08:07:26 PM
QuoteMoving things forward... anybody who's seen Colorado College this year, what's going on with their offense? They shredded DPU last year in the Springs, and that was when DPU had some experience in the defensive backfield. But it doesn't look like they're having the same kind of effectiveness offensively this season.

I noticed the same thing...I think they were definitely one of the better offenses DePauw faced last year...we were fortunate to scratch and claw for a double OT victory...my guess is they lost some personnel and have changed offensive schemes...but don't know for sure...   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 20, 2008, 09:11:26 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 20, 2008, 08:07:26 PM
QuoteMoving things forward... anybody who's seen Colorado College this year, what's going on with their offense? They shredded DPU last year in the Springs, and that was when DPU had some experience in the defensive backfield. But it doesn't look like they're having the same kind of effectiveness offensively this season.

I noticed the same thing...I think they were definitely one of the better offenses DePauw faced last year...we were fortunate to scratch and claw for a double OT victory...my guess is they lost some personnel and have changed offensive schemes...but don't know for sure...   

The one TU game I got to see live last year was the CC game.  They must have a different QB this year, one with a lot less arm.  The guy from last season did connect on some nice passes in that game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 20, 2008, 09:33:52 PM
Jon McDonald is actually back, which is what is so perplexing about the whole thing.  Even losing a couple of his leading pass catchers shouldn't lead to that much of a drop off in prodcution. 68 passing yards per game.  Blech.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 20, 2008, 09:57:29 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 19, 2008, 09:06:16 PM
On another note;   ;D

I am proud of the resurgence of the Roos!  I have not seen Rhodes since AC joined the conference.  Can anyone give me some info on their offense, defense, best players, etc.?  What can I expect when I watch the Homecoming game this weekend??


One more try!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 20, 2008, 10:01:47 PM
QuoteThe one TU game I got to see live last year was the CC game.  They must have a different QB this year, one with a lot less arm.  The guy from last season did connect on some nice passes in that game.

Yep...and I seem to remember a nice TE for them as well...anyway I think they put up some nice offensive nuymbers last season.

QuoteJon McDonald is actually back, which is what is so perplexing about the whole thing.  Even losing a couple of his leading pass catchers shouldn't lead to that much of a drop off in prodcution. 68 passing yards per game.  Blech.

wow...wonder if he has been hurt???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbunch on October 20, 2008, 10:08:46 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 20, 2008, 09:57:29 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 19, 2008, 09:06:16 PM
On another note;   ;D

I am proud of the resurgence of the Roos!  I have not seen Rhodes since AC joined the conference.  Can anyone give me some info on their offense, defense, best players, etc.?  What can I expect when I watch the Homecoming game this weekend??


One more try!   ;D

Defensively pretty strong...

6th in the nation in rushing defense (1st in the SCAC)
26th in total defense (2nd in SCAC)
1st in the nation in sacks
4th in the nation in tackles for loss

See http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2008&org=573 (http://web1.ncaa.org/football/exec/rankingSummary?year=2008&org=573)

Stats do not look so favorable on the offensive side...


Bryan
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fatboy on October 20, 2008, 10:47:26 PM
I might be wrong and don't jump me if I am but I thought the AA had new clock rule that the clock would start shortly after a ball is ruled incomplete.  The expectation being within the last 2 minutes of either half.  That is my understandeing.

Just trying to Help! ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2008, 10:53:29 PM
That's true for out of bounds plays, but not incomplete passes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 21, 2008, 12:29:54 AM
Congrats to AC's Ross Hasten & Matt Finke for bing named SCAC offensive and special teams players of the week respectively.  ;D

Interesting that Rhodes' Desmond Hendricks was named defensive player of the week as well.  Kind of sets the table for the game this week.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 21, 2008, 06:17:28 AM
Part of the confusion over the clock and incomplete passes may stem from many folks having seen some NFL Europe games  In that league, the clock is restarted after the ball is spotted following an incomplete pass.  Plus,  in the NCAA as Pat pointed out, after a run that ends out of bounds, the clock is restarted when ball is spotted (except for last 2 minutes of a half). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 21, 2008, 09:47:33 AM
Does anyone actually watch NFL Europe?  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 21, 2008, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: Tex on October 21, 2008, 09:47:33 AM
Does anyone actually watch NFL Europe?  :)

By Jove, I think it was all those hours I spent watching NFL Europe that got me befuddled!!! :) :) :)

Maybe we have overdiscussed last week's games and we can move on to this week.  Here's the slate of games with Millsaps having a bye:

10/25/08  Football (I believe these are Eastern Time Zone Starting Times):

Colorado Col. @ DePauw -- 1:00 PM
Live stats Audio

Trinity (Tex.) @ Sewanee -- 1:30 PM
Video Audio

Rhodes @ Austin -- 2:00 PM

Birmingham Southern @ Centre -- 2:30 PM

Any thoughts on these four games.  I didn't do very well on my predictions last week so I'll let someone else open the discussion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 21, 2008, 10:49:22 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 21, 2008, 10:01:07 AM
Quote from: Tex on October 21, 2008, 09:47:33 AM
Does anyone actually watch NFL Europe?  :)

By Jove, I think it was all those hours I spent watching NFL Europe that got me befuddled!!! :) :) :)

Maybe we have overdiscussed last week's games and we can move on to this week.  Here's the slate of games with Millsaps having a bye:

10/25/08  Football (I believe these are Eastern Time Zone Starting Times):

Colorado Col. @ DePauw -- 1:00 PM
Live stats Audio

Trinity (Tex.) @ Sewanee -- 1:30 PM
Video Audio

Rhodes @ Austin -- 2:00 PM

Birmingham Southern @ Centre -- 2:30 PM

Any thoughts on these four games.  I didn't do very well on my predictions last week so I'll let someone else open the discussion.

Predictions:

DP beats CC
TU beats Sewanee
Austin beats Rhodes
BSC beats Centre
Milsaps beats Open
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 21, 2008, 11:05:16 AM
I'm going to go with...

DePauw
Trinity

It's a bit of a toss up with AC and Rhodes...top rushing offense versus top rushing defense should make for an interesting game...however, with it being Homecoming for AC, I'll give the 'Roos the edge.

And finally, after talking to one of the AC coaches about BSC, I'm going to give the upset win to BSC.  I haven't seen them, but he was extremely impressed with their overall team speed.  And we all know, speed kills.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 21, 2008, 11:46:41 AM
Quote from: Tex on October 21, 2008, 09:47:33 AM
Does anyone actually watch NFL Europe?  :)

When they were still playing, I did, to watch the D-III alumni.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 21, 2008, 03:24:54 PM
FYI, Millsaps and Trinity hold at #10 and #11, respectively in this weeks AFCA poll.

http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1608126
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 22, 2008, 12:01:04 PM
I doubt that this week's slate of games will generate much talk even though the games are obviously important to the teams involved.

-----The biggest shocker would be Colorado winning at DePauw.  Someday Colorado will get their first win in the SCAC but it is highly unlikely that Saturday will be the day.  It seems to me that the Colorado team plays hard every game and they need to keep in mind the year that LaGrange is having in 2008.  After going 0-20 in their first two years as a program, they are 6-1 this season (a move to playing SLIAC probably helped speed up the building process quite a bit).

-----Trinity at Sewanee has been described by some as a "trap game" for Trinity.  Maybe I would buy that if this was Trinity going to Centre, but I don't think Sewanee has enough to pull the upset.  I do think they can make it close if Trinity is looking ahead, I just don't think they can win.  As far as Millsaps and the SCAC goes, it would be far better to see Trinity win this game.

-----BSC at Centre is a mystery to me.  There are times when BSC has played very well such as the 21-7 halftime lead at DePauw (greatly helped by 4 DePauw turnovers).  Even so, I don't see them winning at Centre.  From what I remember of Centre last year, they have a fast and aggressive defense that causes problems.  I think the interesting game for Centre will be Nov. 8th when Trinity comes to town.

-----Rhodes at Austin is a tossup to me so I'll pick Austin.  I think this would be a good game on a neutral field so I have to think that Austin will get the win at home. 

-----And I agree with Tex that Millsaps will easily handle "Open".  That's the perfect team to have on the schedule to finish out October.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2008, 12:16:38 PM
Frank, CoCo beat Sewanee in their first-ever SCAC tilt - lost an awful lot of close games last year; this year it's been totally different.  They did lose a lot of kids to graduation.

I wish I knew why they have just totally thrown out the passing game this year.  last year they had a good passing attack (which IMO they could have used even more) - this year it's like they don't even try, and they have the same QB. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bearmo17 on October 22, 2008, 01:24:16 PM
This is for all DePauw  fans and former players.

WE NEED YOUR HELP

We are putting together a special Monon Bell section (Yes, I know there are three games before that, but I have to get started now). We are looking for your best memories and/or best game and/or best experience and/or best play that you remember.  We also ask that you put your name on them and a contact number or email (Those will not be published, but we might have questions or need to verify something with you).

The edition will be available at the game so we are hoping for soem help. Also, if you have any old photos you would like to email us do so. Pass this message on to all the alumni and former players you know.

Send them to blewis@thepaper24-7.com

Thanks and see you at the game on Nov. 15.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 22, 2008, 01:57:45 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2008, 12:16:38 PM
Frank, CoCo beat Sewanee in their first-ever SCAC tilt - lost an awful lot of close games last year; this year it's been totally different.  They did lose a lot of kids to graduation.

I wish I knew why they have just totally thrown out the passing game this year.  last year they had a good passing attack (which IMO they could have used even more) - this year it's like they don't even try, and they have the same QB. 

Thanks for that correction.  After reading your post I realized that I was transposing sports--it's the men's basketball team that failed to win last season.  They too were very close to winning several games against some of the better teams in the league, but they couldn't quite close the deal.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 23, 2008, 11:53:02 AM
Wow ... sure got quiet around here all of a sudden ... :-X

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2008, 03:30:10 PM
The quiet before the storm? 

I know that I'm not alone in wishing that we had more people posting from more schools.  I'd like to read the thoughts provided by someone from Colorado College, Sewanee, Rhodes, Centre and BSC.  I'm glad we are getting some feedback on Austin to go along with the Trinity, DePauw and Millsaps posts, but we need more from more teams.  And in my opinion, the players at all the schools deserve some message board recognition.

And since it is so quiet, let me give you a non-SCAC prediction.  I think the Saints will become a better team now that they have to play Deuce McAllister because of the Reggie Bush injury.  I also think the Saints haven't been playing Deuce because they reworked his contract where his pay this year is based on performance, AND, because they need to cut him or trade him because they can't afford to pay big contracts to both Reggie and Deuce.  It's not going to be very popular to get rid of Deuce if he proves that he can still play.  This early season decision to hardly use Deuce might just cost the Saints a shot at the playoffs this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2008, 04:00:47 PM
I almost forgot to post this today:

Millsaps may or may not have a Coach's Show webcast this evening.  Usually they have a repeat of the previous week's show at 6:00 (Central time) and the new show at 7:00 every Thursday.  I don't know if they are doing a show this week since it is a bye week and the Millsaps website has no schedule of when they plan to webcast an event.

For those who are interested, you might want to check this evening at the following link to see if anything is on:

http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 23, 2008, 05:15:16 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 23, 2008, 11:53:02 AM
Wow ... sure got quiet around here all of a sudden ... :-X



All I hear is the ticking of a clock...  :o 


Sorry to all, I couldn't help it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 23, 2008, 06:46:50 PM
QuoteAll I hear is the ticking of a clock...   


Sorry to all, I couldn't help it. 

You're a bad man, Tex...a bad man... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 23, 2008, 07:27:59 PM
Hello Gentlemen. Thanks for allowing me on "D3Boards". I have been reading along for a time now and felt like chiming in for a moment. As I have never participated in a "Board" before my participation may be brief. Depends on whether or not it seems I am bringing anything to the conversations.

I have enjoyed learning more about D3 football in general and the SCAC in particular through your posts. For example the recent insights to the attendance reporting process, or the rules portion of the discussion reagrding game clock operation {recent game passions aside}.

I have a Kangaroo bias but from what I have seen a bias is allowed here from time to time. I follow the Roos as a fan - not an expert - and may sometimes have an observation from the weeks game or the season in general. ...May I ?...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 23, 2008, 07:47:42 PM
Yes, you may ... :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2008, 08:13:24 PM
If being an expert was a requirement to post on the board, then I wouldn't have much company. :) :) (Or did I get that backwards?)

Welcome to the board and about the only thing that most people expect here is that a person be somewhat civil.  Sometimes those Trinity folks make that very, very hard, but it can be done.  (Okay, I hope everyone realizes that was a  :) :) :) )

I hope you can get by the Austin game this week and give us a report--it seems like the most exciting conference game this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on October 23, 2008, 08:24:29 PM
this is in response to the question about the "Coaches Show" from Millsaps, from what the board says there, the next show is next Thursday Oct. 30th. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 23, 2008, 08:27:38 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on October 23, 2008, 07:47:42 PM
Yes, you may ... :)
Thank you Major Rev.

Some may not realize what a key game the Roos have against Rhodes this weekend. Clearly in the SCAC there is a top tier - and A/C {in Sherman} is not in it. [Did you know that one of our players is named "Austin Sherman"] But the competition in the second tier may be deeper than that at the top. IMHO the Kangaroos find themselves at the same crossroads they were in at this point last season. Four wins, three losses and an opportunity to make it to the .500 level for the first time in awhile. Last season in Memphis Rhodes scored twice late in the fourth to take the lead then thwarted a frantic comeback attempt by the Roos in the final minute. Most of you know how the season ended.

Those who have seen the last three games have seen AC "finish" games. Now we find ourselves wanting to believe the team will take a step forward, maybe even turn a corner this weekend against a formidable Rhodes team and solidfy a place in the second tier of the conference. If they win it will mean they will avoid any three game losing streak this year {there were two last year}, build on the consistence of the past 2 1/2 games and then who knows about the final two games of the season.

Obviously everyone wants their team to be the champ but for this season perhaps being the "most improved" in the conference would be an appreciable accomplishment. A win this weekend would be a nice step in that direction for coach Gage and the Kangaroos.        - Good luck guys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 23, 2008, 08:49:58 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2008, 08:13:24 PM

  Sometimes those Trinity folks make that very, very hard, but it can be done. 

My wife would agree with you in my case. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 23, 2008, 10:30:25 PM
Boy I am glad to see all the new posters "with a Roo bias"!!  I felt like the Lone Stranger on these boards for quite a while.  ;)  Might I suggest that we might try to put some names and faces together this weekend.

I propose that there be a small gathering of us prior to the Homecoming game this weekend.  Maybe about fifteen minutes prior to the game on the "track?"  at the scoreboard end of the stadium?  If anyone is interested in this offer please reply!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on October 23, 2008, 11:06:09 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 23, 2008, 10:30:25 PM
Boy I am glad to see all the new posters "with a Roo bias"!!  I felt like the Lone Stranger on these boards for quite a while.  ;)  Might I suggest that we might try to put some names and faces together this weekend.

I propose that there be a small gathering of us prior to the Homecoming game this weekend.  Maybe about fifteen minutes prior to the game on the "track?"  at the scoreboard end of the stadium?  If anyone is interested in this offer please reply!
I will be there with a roocru of my own!(my wife and four children in tow)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on October 24, 2008, 01:10:01 AM
I just wanted to wish everyone in the SCAC "good luck with your games this week", because this is one of the only weekends out of the year I can do that during interconference play! ;D  That may be the beauty of a buy week.  I also wish everyone safety in their travels from place to place.  Once again good luck this weekend.  But next weekend GO MAJORS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
Quote from: TE4SAPS80 on October 24, 2008, 01:10:01 AM
.....That may be the beauty of a buy week......

Judging by this morning's stock market opening, it looks like this is going to end up as a sell, sell, sell week!!!  (But with the way the market has been going lately, it might be up 4% by the end of the day.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2008, 12:01:44 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2008, 10:13:26 AM
Quote from: TE4SAPS80 on October 24, 2008, 01:10:01 AM
.....That may be the beauty of a buy week......

Judging by this morning's stock market opening, it looks like this is going to end up as a sell, sell, sell week!!!  (But with the way the market has been going lately, it might be up 4% by the end of the day.)

My 401-(k) and millions others would appreciate it.

Hey for those who didn't check out the Triple Take, Keith McMillian, besides picking Trinity as the likeliest Top 25 team to lose this week  :P, said he was going to make the long journey to SA to see the Millsaps-TU tilt.

That's OK, Keith, even if it happens the winner will still have the inside track to the SCAC AQ. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2008, 12:16:49 PM
Was it Keith who said a couple of weeks ago that DePauw might struggle with BSC either because DePauw had a Millsaps hangover or they might be looking forward to Trinity.  I thought he was flat out wrong on that one and then DePauw managed to fall behind after losing 4 turnovers in the first half. 

While that might tell me not to doubt the wisdom of Keith, I just don't see Trinity having a problem in this game.  And while a loss this week would still leave Trinity controlling their own destiny regarding the AQ, I have to believe that they are like Millsaps and they are really gunning for an undefeated regular season and a high South Region ranking.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2008, 12:18:57 PM
To be fair, Keith said the only reason he picked Trinity was because he'd bought the ticket, ditching another game he'd like to have attended that weekend. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: vulcan on October 24, 2008, 01:48:36 PM
I am another with a litle "Roo Bias".  I enjoy watching the games.  Good luck this week!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 24, 2008, 03:09:07 PM
Internet permitting, I'll try once again to update the AC/Rhodes score here in Sherman during the game.  Of course, I believe Rhodes radio is making the trip so for those who want to listen in, you can check that out.

Should be an interesting game...hopefully the 'Roo offensive line is up to the task of opening up some holes for Hasten this week, and hopefully Braly throws it like he did last week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2008, 03:29:17 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2008, 12:16:49 PM
While that might tell me not to doubt the wisdom of Keith, I just don't see Trinity having a problem in this game. 

I agree.  Although, let us not forget, the mountain is a magical place.  Weird things happen up there. 

With all the fog, somedays it's like a rainforest up there. (inside joke)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 24, 2008, 04:54:20 PM
I'm guessing even though all of we internet experts are wary of a trap game for TU, I'm guessing the real experts (TU's coaches) are more aware of it than all the combined cyberspace experts and will do everything they can to not let it happen.  One can only hope and pray.  Looking ahead to next week would be a huge mistake. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 24, 2008, 07:45:20 PM
Quote from: roocru on October 23, 2008, 10:30:25 PM
I propose that there be a small gathering of us prior to the Homecoming game this weekend.  Maybe about fifteen minutes prior to the game on the "track?"  at the scoreboard end of the stadium?  If anyone is interested in this offer please reply!

I will try "roocru", but typically I am a last minute arrival. Half of the time I miss the on-field spirit line.

Hopefully the game will be as good as the weather looks for Saturday. Certainly a win will not come easy but we have not lost this year when we've scored 20 or more...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 24, 2008, 09:08:00 PM
Anyone from TU on the Mountain tonight? 

I was going to try to make the game, but my schedule got rearranged and I'll be doing training ops instead.  I'm sick about it.  How are the boys looking?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 24, 2008, 11:19:23 PM
Shoutout from the mountain....  drizzling cold rain all day.  But should clear up tomorrow...  might be a slow track though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 03:13:37 PM
Trinity leads Sewanee 10-0 early in the second quarter.  Sewanee has a videocast, but is silent.  Trinity's videocast looking pretty good and has audio.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2008, 03:17:38 PM
Colorado leading DePauw 27-24 at the start of the 4th quarter.  Colorado has the ball and is inside the DU red zone.  Opps, CC just missed a 31-yard FG attempt so it is DU ball, trailing by 3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 03:22:24 PM
Trinity's RB Al Furlow scores another TD ... Trinity 17, Sewanee 0 still in the second quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2008, 03:33:17 PM
DePauw makes their 31-yard FG attempt.  Score is tied 27-27 with 6:12 to go and Colorado waiting for the kickoff.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 03:36:02 PM
Sewanee scores on a tough drive (mostly running) and brings score to 17-7 with about 2 min remaining in first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 03:43:55 PM
Sewanee recovers onside kick with a circus catch and is driving down the field ... first down deep in Trinity territory with 1:19 left in first half.

Sewanee scores with 0:41 in half ... score now Trinity 17, Sewanee 13.  Extra point blocked ... Trinity defender picks up and runs downfield, but is dragged out of bounds.  Commentators said "they tried a couple laterals".  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2008, 03:44:44 PM
CC got the kickoff, ran a couple of plays and fumbled.  DU then ran a couple of plays and fumbled, their 4th turnover of the game.  CC took advantage and drove for a TD.  CC leads 34-27 at DU with less than 2 minutes to play.  DU has the ball on their 46.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2008, 03:47:50 PM
DPU's down to the 1 with :24.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 03:50:28 PM
At the end of the first half, Trinity hangs on to a slim 17-13 lead over Sewanee "on the mountain."  Sewanee scores a quick pair of TD's with only a few minutes remaining in the second quarter to narrow the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 25, 2008, 03:50:35 PM
Has CC been sandbagging all year?  What the heck has happened here?

4th and goal on the 1 - 17 seconds left.

Looks like a heckuva game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2008, 03:50:48 PM
Now still on 1, 17 seconds to go, and no TO's left.  and 4th down
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 25, 2008, 03:53:08 PM
DePauw illegal procedure!  4th and goal from the 6!  He'll be running laps after the game.

If DPU scores, do they go for 2?  I would say yes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2008, 03:54:27 PM
Dick to Koors!  We're tied!


Turnovers, CPA.  Has plagued DPU all year.  -5 on the year in the TO margin after today.  Really the reason this game and particularly the BSC game were both so close.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 25, 2008, 03:54:56 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 25, 2008, 03:54:27 PM
Dick to Koors!  We're tied!



Turnovers, CPA.  Has plagued DPU all year.  -5 on year in the TO margin after today. 

Go for 2!!!  Oh, well - going to OT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2008, 03:56:25 PM
Not with our kicker.   ;D  Maybe you've heard of him.   :D

I'll gladly go to overtime with Havercamp on my side.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2008, 03:56:45 PM
Spud looks like a lock of Offensive player of the week after hitting that pass with the game on the line.  It doesn't hurt that he is also 30-42 for 381 yards, 3 TD (and 2 int).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2008, 04:01:07 PM
First time DPU's gone over 500 yards since the opener last year against Anderson.  First time they've done in a conference game since the Millsaps game in '05. 

First time they've thrown for 400 since the 2001 opener against Rhodes.  Jason Lee went 34-52 for 426 and 3 scores that day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 25, 2008, 04:05:02 PM
Lost the feed--scoreboard says 17 13 at half...is that still where we are?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2008, 04:05:42 PM
DePauw gets it down to the 1, can't get it in, settle for 3.  37-34 and CC's got it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 25, 2008, 04:08:07 PM
Missed FG from 41! DPU wins!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 25, 2008, 04:09:55 PM
can someone catch me up?  Trinity was all over Sewanee like a cheap suit while I had the feed.  Were there some turn overs?  Big plays?  what's been the tipping point to bring the score so close?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2008, 04:11:37 PM
DePauw has to go to OT to beat a winless team 37-34 and Trinity is only up 17-13 at the half against a 2-5 Sewanee teams--just how much did last week's game take out of these two teams?  Both of these scores are head scratchers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 04:25:35 PM
Early in the third Q, Trinity's Al Furlow scores his third TD of the game.  Licalzi makes the XP ... Trinity leads 24-13. 

Brian ... TU web feed is intermittent due to poor wireless bandwidth in Sewanee pressbox.  Try Sewanee's website for their video feed link.  Windows Media Player required.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 25, 2008, 04:33:59 PM
Final from Sherman!!

Austin College   17
Rhodes              14

Way to go Roos!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 04:42:55 PM
Trinity gets a pick at mid field ... drives down the field but can only get a field goal by Licalzi.  Score now Trinity 27, UOS 13 in the middle of the 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 25, 2008, 04:48:55 PM
Ugly game in Sherman...9 combined turnovers, with the decisive score coming on a pick 6 by Matt Finke late in the fourth quarter to put AC up 17-7.  Rhodes came back with a quick touchdown, but AC managed to hold them off.  Finke had two picks, a TD, a fumble recovery, and another blocked kick.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 04:50:19 PM
Trinity 27, UOS 13 at the end of the third.  Sewanee deep in their own territory to begin the fourth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 05:02:02 PM
Trinity drives the length of the field and into the red zone, but comes up scoreless after a Licalzi missed FG.  Score still 27-13 with 9:33 remaining.

Trinity gets a stop on Sewanee, has the ball at mid field with only 3 minutes remaining in the game.. 27-13
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 05:21:24 PM
Final on the mountain ... Trinity 27, Sewanee 13.

Sets up the big "Shootout in San Antone" next week ... BRING ON THE MAJORS.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 25, 2008, 05:27:31 PM
roocru,  congratulations.  A win is a win.  Good things are happening for the Roos.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 25, 2008, 06:26:18 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 05:21:24 PM

Sets up the big "Shootout in San Antone" next week ... BRING ON THE MAJORS.



Be careful what you wish for TigerDad  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 25, 2008, 06:30:44 PM
Thanks, Tiger Dad.   I was suffering until you started posting updates.

Sick to think of Chris standing on the sidelines, but it looks like the kids picked up the slack well.  Before I lost the feed, and during a couple of breif periods where I had it back I saw Al Furlow rip off a couple of long ones.  This game was a good one to get him some good quality playing time.  We haven't run the ball this well in ages.

Being able to do so--especaially in TUs two back sets--might require the majors to play the run a little tighter than they've had to in some of the most recent contests.  I really wish I could be in San Antonio next week.   This game between TU and the Majors is really shaping up to be a storied rivalry--that's good for everyone, I think.

I also hear Bob on the Audio feed talking about Danny Rad. I was happy to see that he made the trip, and that his parents where there.  Please tell them I miss them too.

Brian
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 25, 2008, 06:41:38 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 25, 2008, 05:21:24 PM
Final on the mountain ... Trinity 27, Sewanee 13.

Sets up the big "Shootout in San Antone" next week ... BRING ON THE MAJORS.



Was pulling for Trinity today. Glad ya'll pulled off the victory. Will make next week that much sweeter. See ya in SA......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 25, 2008, 07:20:22 PM
Appears there will be a good deal of movement in the Top 10, with #2 and #3 losing and #4 playing #7 the Majors could conceivably get to #5 in an off week, or get jumped. A victory in TX next week could get us inside the top 5. Maybe we can stay where we are......LOL Too much pressure.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 25, 2008, 10:31:13 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 25, 2008, 05:27:31 PM
roocru,  congratulations.  A win is a win.  Good things are happening for the Roos.
Yes, perhaps they are. Though very difficult, perhaps the Kangroos took another step today. Man, that Rhodes defense is something.

And perhaps Matt Finke is a great example of what DIII is about. I can't imagine he would even get a chance to play at a higher NCAA level, but the kid just keeps making plays. The way he was limping around last week in Birmingham I wasn't sure he would be able to play today. But boy did he play!

Way to go Roos! Keep on steppin' !
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 25, 2008, 11:41:05 PM
I had a nice time on the mountain today.  It was homecoming for UOS as well as alumni weekend.  They had a lot of good tailgating and fellowship.  We were treated quite nicely from all.  I appreciate that.  I like the nice touch of the fans generally being well dressed.  It was definitely classy southern environment.  Easy to do when the temp is 60 outside and not 90.  :)

Beautiful campus as well.  Mrs. Tex and I had a great time.  Thanks to all that helped make that happen.  I agree with Coach Haack, it wasn't fun to see Chris Baer not playing.  Al did a nice job, but having the 1-2 punch is sweet.  Glad he'll be well reseted for next week. 

Hopefully a great game next weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 26, 2008, 12:06:36 AM
Best thing Millsaps did was not play today.  #2,#3, and #4 all lose.

I'm guessing Millsaps jumps them all to land in the Top 5.

Just behind Wabash.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 26, 2008, 08:22:45 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 26, 2008, 12:06:36 AM
Best thing Millsaps did was not play today.  #2,#3, and #4 all lose.

I'm guessing Millsaps jumps them all to land in the Top 5.

Just behind Wabash.   :)

Let's see:

---Wabash beat Washington U. 37-12
---Rhodes beat Washington U. almost as bad with a 28-10 victory.
---Millsaps beat Rhodes 49-2

How sure are you that Wabash should be ranked ahead of Millsaps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 26, 2008, 09:05:57 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 26, 2008, 08:22:45 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 26, 2008, 12:06:36 AM
Best thing Millsaps did was not play today.  #2,#3, and #4 all lose.

I'm guessing Millsaps jumps them all to land in the Top 5.

Just behind Wabash.   :)

Let's see:

---Wabash beat Washington U. 37-12
---Rhodes beat Washington U. almost as bad with a 28-10 victory.
---Millsaps beat Rhodes 49-2

How sure are you that Wabash should be ranked ahead of Millsaps?

Okay, I know that's not really fair to take a one time comparison of scores.  That comparing scores is really only legitimate if there is a consistent trend.

By the way, I was looking at the SCAC stats and found the following:

2006 Season:  DePauw loses at Millsaps 7-31; DePauw loses at Wabash 20-23
2007 Season:  DePauw loses at home to Millsaps 17-35; DePauw wins at home against Wabash 24-21

Hmm, maybe the D3 voters should take a closer look at whether Millsaps or Wabash should be ranked higher.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 26, 2008, 09:19:39 AM
Not sure DePauw is a fair comparison either due to the rivalry aspect of the series.  It is truly a "you can throw the records out the window" type of game.

That said, I believe Millsaps has been underrated all year.  My comment was based purely on current poll position.  No way Millsaps on a bye week leapfrogs a Wabash team who for all intents and purposes clinched the NCAC yesterday.  I do think North Central jumps over them due to beating down a higher ranked Wheaton team. 

For what it's worth, I would probably have Millsaps ahead of Wabash as well, but I was surprised earlier in the year that DePauw wasn't getting more recognition, and based on their season year-to-date, that lack of recognition has been justified.  So, I defer to the pollsters here.

Hopefully we'll get to see whose better with a head-to-head matchup.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 26, 2008, 11:16:10 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 26, 2008, 09:19:39 AM
Not sure DePauw is a fair comparison either due to the rivalry aspect of the series.

I agree with that.  We talk so often about how the better team doesn't necessarily win that football game.  

I don't necessarily think that comparing scores from past years is an accurate representation of where both football teams stand, particularly when one has a different coach than they had during the time period when you're comparing scores. 

If you ARE going to do that, then I think it's noteworthy to compare overall results, as well.  Wabash went to the final 8 last year while Millsaps sat at home.  The opposite happened in 2006, but Wabash was 8-2 and got left out while Millsaps got in at 7-3 because they won the Pool A.  Maybe part of that is scheduing, but I think it's still a valid point if we're talking about comparing scores.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 26, 2008, 11:59:00 AM
I really need to put smiley faces in all of my posts.  :) ;) :D ;D :o 8) ::) :P :) :)

The polls are nice because they show a level of respect, but at some point the actual number by your team isn't very meaningful.  It is a well educated guess based on insignificant information. 

At this point in time there seems to be a general concensus around the nation that Coach DuBose, his staff, and his players have combined to become a really good team.  While I doubt that many see Millsaps as a primary contender for the national crown, I believe many see them as a team that might be a factor in the national picture.  That's an amazing achievement when you look at where this program was in the 2005 season.

I have no idea if Millsaps should be ahead of Wabash or Muhlenberg or UMHB, and who's to say that Millsaps should be ahead of all 9 of the undefeated teams that are spread throughout the poll from #9 to #25?  More information will come this week and then in the NCAA playoff, which is where I think both Millsaps and Trinity will end up regardless of next Saturday's outcome.  One thing that I can say with certainty is that if Millsaps is in the playoffs, it will be a far superior Millsaps team than the 2006 team that got this amazing turnaround started.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 26, 2008, 02:52:55 PM
The only comparison that matters is the one where Millsaps meets Wabash in the playoffs, other than that, it's blah blah blah because on any given SAT, either team could win. Too much footbal left to be worrying about what the polls are saying. I see Millsaps at #5 or 6, no lower. Win next week, I see a possible leap.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 26, 2008, 07:20:14 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Any given SAT?)

MajorDad,
Well said, "any given SAT" (H'mmm); for Millsaps in SAT there will be "no win/no leap".

FYI, in SAT, today's Trinity vs. Millsaps Soccer:
Men------TU  7     MC  2  (Hat Trick for Noe Casanova)
Women---TU  3    MC  1

                                     
                                                                           :)








Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 26, 2008, 07:42:28 PM
We'll see.......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 26, 2008, 09:27:22 PM
I know it's been said before...but the SCAC foks did a really great job with their new website...excellent...really like it and I know it will continue to get better as you add features...nice job!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 26, 2008, 10:16:32 PM
Nice call, MajorDad.  Majors are in at 5 this week - behind Mount, North Central, Muhlenberg, and Wabash.  Trinity stays at 14. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on October 26, 2008, 11:53:07 PM
Wow!  Majors ARE in at 5.  I had to check the poll to be sure.  It's just remarkable.  A lot of the Millsaps faithful (particularly those of us who have followed the team closely over the last decade) have always believed this was possible, but it's still a little shocking.

That said, Coach DuBose and the team desrve the credit and should roll into San Antone with some healthy (but not cocky) swagger with a little revenge on the mind.  Should be a great week leading up to the game. 

What a great showdown in D3!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 03:49:24 AM
Hope lots of you Majors fans will be making the trip west to San Antone ... the atmosphere at TU is not quite as festive as in Jackson, but it should be quite a circus after last year's post-game publicity.  We welcome you to E.M. Stevens and hope you have a safe trip!  Be sure to come early (Thu or Fri) and take in the famous San Antonio River Walk if you've never been ... it' well worth an extra day of vacation or personal day to get to experience Texas San Antonio style!

FYI, Trinity University is located just off Hwy 281 about 2 miles north of downtown and about 7 miles south of San Antonio Airport.  E.M. Stevens Field is on the TU campus and the entrance (and parking) is along Shook Avenue, between Mulberry and Hildebrand.

For those needing a map and directions, here's a GoogleMap you can use: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=29.459422,-98.482733&spn=0.008538,0.013561&t=h&z=16&msid=114544560278502564499.000456945c544cddce2ab (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=29.459422,-98.482733&spn=0.008538,0.013561&t=h&z=16&msid=114544560278502564499.000456945c544cddce2ab)

Hope to see everyone there and perhaps meet some of you while you're in Texas.  Good luck to both teams and hope "The Shootout in San Antone" lives up to the SCAC and D3 hype!  I'd like to see two teams at their best firing on all cylinders ... another national quality game by two fine football teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 04:54:49 AM
TD, I don't know what alot is, as far as the traveling Fan base for Millsaps, but I suspect this game will see more Millsaps fans on the road than any other time this year. I for one will travel from FL. Barring a blowout from either team, this should be a good one....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 05:05:33 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 26, 2008, 10:16:32 PM
Nice call, MajorDad.  Majors are in at 5 this week - behind Mount, North Central, Muhlenberg, and Wabash.  Trinity stays at 14. 

Wes, Outside of Mount Union, #2,3,4 remaining schedules show no opponent in the top 25. But in order for Millsaps to move any higher, a convincing victory @ Trinity will be needed. A loss would drop us to around 15, 16. Our final two opponents are a combined 1-12 thus far. A 9-1 season should get us into the playoffs, but a 10-0 season has the slight possibility of getting us a first round bye....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 05:13:31 AM
Quote from: consultant on October 26, 2008, 11:53:07 PM
Wow!  Majors ARE in at 5.  I had to check the poll to be sure.  It's just remarkable.  A lot of the Millsaps faithful (particularly those of us who have followed the team closely over the last decade) have always believed this was possible, but it's still a little shocking.

That said, Coach DuBose and the team desrve the credit and should roll into San Antone with some healthy (but not cocky) swagger with a little revenge on the mind.  Should be a great week leading up to the game. 

What a great showdown in D3!




I completely agree. The exposure this game received last year due to the outcome should foster some additional attention but am doubtful it will be at the national level. Not to knock on the voting for the DIII pole but I feel they had hoped both teams would be undefeated go into this weekend. I'm not saying Millsaps doesn't belong where they are, but it is shocking to see us at #5. SAT @ 230pm will tell us what is deserving.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 08:31:03 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 05:13:31 AMSAT @ 230pm will tell us what is deserving.
Just to be certain nobody misses it, kickoff will be at 1:30pm Central Time.

GO TIGERS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 27, 2008, 08:57:56 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 05:05:33 AM
but a 10-0 season has the slight possibility of getting us a first round bye....

I don't think anybody gets a bye week (at least technically - depending on the opponent, it may seem like a bye week).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 09:44:48 AM
I was under the impression that the #1 seeds had a bye 1st round. Must have been something I saw in a bracket somewhere.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2008, 09:55:53 AM
That was the way it used to be back when there were only 28 teams invited.  2-3 years ago the field was expanded to 32 and the bye week went bye-bye.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 11:01:19 AM
I think the first playoff week is "bye-bye" week for 16 teams, isn't it?

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 01:44:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2008, 09:55:53 AM
That was the way it used to be back when there were only 28 teams invited.  2-3 years ago the field was expanded to 32 and the bye week went bye-bye.


My mistake. I believe I was looking at an old bracket......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 27, 2008, 01:59:16 PM
man that was a fun game up at AC despite all the turnovers.  The AC defense really played well for the most part and only really gave up a couple of big plays with one being a pass that was tipped to a RC WR.  Youngbloods dad was doing a great job at trying to get the crowd into it.  All in all, it was a very fun homecoming weekend.

I'll have to say all the INTs save for Finke's TD were just the result of poor throws and decision making.

It feels great being assured they won't have a losing season though.  

Maybe they can sneak up on DPU next week and get us that winning season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2008, 02:45:17 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 11:01:19 AM
I think the first playoff week is "bye-bye" week for 16 teams, isn't it?

;D

Well, for really the 200 +/-  teams that kiss their season bye-bye at the end of the regular season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2008, 02:47:41 PM
I haven't done well with my predictions over the last two weeks and I'll make no predictions for the Millsaps @ Trinity game.  I like the way Millsaps has played this year, but Trinity hasn't lost at home in 13 years so this one won't be easy for either team.  

I was looking at the SCAC stats and I found these scoring stats on Millsaps.  I found them interesting though not 100% surprising:

---1st half scoring, in 7 games Millsaps leads their opposition 180-27.  This breaks down to 56-17 in the 1st quarter and 124-10 in the 2nd quarter.

---2nd half scoring, Millsaps leads their opposition 125-58.  This breaks down to 56-12 in the 3rd quarter and 69-46 in the 4th quarter

---I think with Millsaps you just throw out the 4th quarter scoring as irrelevant so the 69-46 total for that quarter doesn't tell us much.  When you look at the 1st three quarters the defense is consistent, allowing 17, 10 and 12 points for those quarters.  It's the offense that is way out of whack, going from 56 to 124 and then back to 56.

---Maybe that 124 in the 2nd quarter is just a fluke, certainly a possibility when talking about 7 games, but it's worth watching in the game this week.  The third quarter will also be interesting--is the big dropoff in scoring because of halftime adjustments, the opposing defense getting some rest, or is it that Millsaps has a big enough lead that they become more conservative?  Their halftime scores have been 28-3(MC), 14-7(Belhaven), 31-0(Austin), 28-0(Rhodes), 35-7(DePauw), 20-7(Centre) and 24-3(Sewanee).  

Boiling this all down to a keys for the game, you might want to look to see how well the Trinity defense does in holding down the Millsaps offense in the second quarter, and then look to see if the Millsaps offense is able to generate more scoring punch in the 3rd quarter and we assume that they will need to continue to score in the 4th.

Any comments on all this are welcome and any insights into the game by others on this board will be appreciated.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 27, 2008, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 05:05:33 AM

Wes, Outside of Mount Union, #2,3,4 remaining schedules show no opponent in the top 25. But in order for Millsaps to move any higher, a convincing victory @ Trinity will be needed. A loss would drop us to around 15, 16.

I think you're right.  And I think what happens in the Bell game may have some say in it before season's end, as well.  Perhaps comparing common opponents is something that pollsters look at.  Maybe Wabash doesn't beat DePauw 55-13, but if they beat them convincingly enough, it may tell you that Wabash is on just about the same level.  Thing is, that kind of lopsided victory very rarely happens in that game.

In all honesty, not sure how much it matters if you get by Wabash and North Central.  Getting yourself out in front of Muhlenberg in the regional rankings is really what's going to matter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 27, 2008, 05:00:10 PM
Players of the Week have been announced...

SCAC OFFENSIVE PLAYERS OF THE WEEK
Games played Saturday, October 25

AL FURLOW OF TRINITY UNIVERSITY, a 5-11, 206-pound junior running back from Chesapeake Bay, Md. has been named the SCAC Football Offensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 25.

Furlow led Trinity in both rushing and receiving in last weekend's 27-13 win at Sewanee: University of the South. Furlow, who filled in for injured starter Chris Baer, rushed 20 times for 161 yards and a touchdown, and also caught eight passes for 72 yards and two more scores. His 161 yards rushing is a team season-high, and is the most rushing yards for a Tiger player since a 215-yard performance by Jerrold Jones in 2004.  His 61-yard touchdown run in the first quarter is also the longest rush from scrimmage for Trinity this season. 


Other outstanding performances in the SCAC:
Junior quarterback  Spud Dick of DePauw completed 32 of 44 passes for a career high 404 yards and three touchdowns in a 37-34 overtime win over visiting Colorado College. Austin College,  Birmingham-Southern College, Centre College, Colorado College, Sewanee-The University of the South  and Rhodes College did not nominate anyone for the award. Millsaps College did not play.


SCAC DEFENSIVE PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Games played Saturday, October 25

MATT FINKE OF AUSTIN COLLEGE, a 5-9, 180-pound senior corner back from Denison, Texas, has been selected the SCAC Football Defensive Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 25.

Finke came up with several big plays in a 17-14 win over Rhodes. He tallied two interceptions, recovered a fumble and blocked a field goal in the game, and returned his second pick 12 yards for what would prove to be the game winning touchdown midway through the fourth quarter.

Other outstanding performances in the SCAC:
Junior safety Sean Swallen of Centre College totaled eight tackles (six solo), recovered a fumble, broke up a pass and intercepted a pass in the Colonels' 25-6 win over visiting Birmingham-Southern. Senior Buddy linebacker Buddy Ferreira of Colorado College 14 tackles in the Tigers' 37-34 overtime loss to DePauw. Senior defensive tackle Chris Moore of DePauw registered six tackles and forced and recovered a fumble in DePauw's 37-34 OT win over Colorado College. Senior linebacker Mason Mosby of Rhodes College tallied 18 tackles, forced two fumbles and had a tackle for loss in Rhodes' 17-14 loss to Austin College. Junior linebacker Dennis Grebe of Trinity University recorded 11 tackles and an interception that led to a Trinity touchdown in the Tigers' 27-13 win over Sewanee. Birmingham-Southern College and Sewanee-The University of the South did not nominate anyone for the award. Millsaps College did not play.


SCAC SPECIAL TEAMS PLAYER OF THE WEEK
Games played Saturday, October 25

ALEX FITCH OF DEPAUW UNIVERSITY, a 6-3, 229-pound junior defensive end from Long Grove, Ill., has been selected the SCAC Football Special Teams Player-of-the-Week for games played Saturday, October 25.

Fitch blocked a third-quarter extra point attempt and a fourth quarter field goal in DePauw's 37-34 overtime victory over visiting Colorado College.   

Other outstanding performances in the SCAC:
Sophomore punter Josh Willis of Austin averaged 48.3 yards per punt with a long of 66-yards in Austin's 17-14 win over visiting Rhodes College. First-year kick returner Andre Wells of Centre recorded his first career kickoff return touchdown (85 yards) and averaged 61-yards per return on two returns in Centre's 25-6 win over Birmingham-Southern. Birmingham-Southern, Colorado College, Rhodes College  Sewanee-The University of the South  and Trinity University did not nominate anyone for the award. Millsaps College did not play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 05:46:02 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 27, 2008, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 05:05:33 AM

Wes, Outside of Mount Union, #2,3,4 remaining schedules show no opponent in the top 25. But in order for Millsaps to move any higher, a convincing victory @ Trinity will be needed. A loss would drop us to around 15, 16.

I think you're right.  And I think what happens in the Bell game may have some say in it before season's end, as well.  Perhaps comparing common opponents is something that pollsters look at.  Maybe Wabash doesn't beat DePauw 55-13, but if they beat them convincingly enough, it may tell you that Wabash is on just about the same level.  Thing is, that kind of lopsided victory very rarely happens in that game.

In all honesty, not sure how much it matters if you get by Wabash and North Central.  Getting yourself out in front of Muhlenberg in the regional rankings is really what's going to matter.

Agree Wes. I was listening to the weekly Podcast and that very subject came up concerning the South Region rankings. This SAT's results will tell the tale....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 06:02:31 PM
Congratulations to SCAC OPOW Trinity RB Al Furlow ... that was quite a day he had for Trinity.  And it was a good thing he did!   8)

Congratulations also to Dennis Grebe on another fine job at LB for the TU Tigers.  Grebe leads the team in tackles this season, averaging 8.4 per game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 27, 2008, 07:16:44 PM
Al is the real deal.  So is Chris.  Having both is quite the challenge to the defense.

So, I guess when we beat the Majors on Saturday, we'll probably get up to 13, maybe 12?   ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
Exactly what Saturday are you refering to? This Sat.......?

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 08:12:19 PM
No, Tex.  Apparently the way to move up the list dramatically is to play "Open".
::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 27, 2008, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
Exactly what Saturday are you refering to? This Sat.......?

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Look what happened to UMHB recently.  Polls are definitely for the fans.  It's a bit irritating at times, but the voters must have their reasons, so be it.  I guess I'd rather be the underdog.  I've seen a lot o f teams that get up in polls, then swagger into a place and loss.  May the best team that day win. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 09:28:09 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 27, 2008, 08:16:45 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 27, 2008, 07:32:01 PM
Exactly what Saturday are you refering to? This Sat.......?

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Look what happened to UMHB recently.  Polls are definitely for the fans.  It's a bit irritating at times, but the voters must have their reasons, so be it.  I guess I'd rather be the underdog.  I've seen a lot o f teams that get up in polls, then swagger into a place and loss.  May the best team that day win. 

Not sure there will be alot of swaggering after 10 hours in a bus, but we'll be ready.....I hope....as far as polls are concerned, I do not know why Trinity isn't getting the same love as Millsaps. Looking at OOC games between us, Trinity's SOS is at least as hard if not harder than Millsaps, looking where the opponents are today. The trio of conference foes, De pauw, Rhodes and Sewanee tell a different tale with Trinity over the trio 89-45, while Millsaps was a bit more convincing with 142-32, or maybe they just like our uniforms better........Seriously, there is no underdog this SAT........if there is, it's Millsaps with the travel and Trinity having homefiled advantage. See you there!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 27, 2008, 10:02:36 PM
I look forward to it MajorDad.  I'm a realist.  TU is not being ranked as high because we're not blowing people out the way Milsaps has.  Its understandable. 

To beat Milsaps, TU must:

1.  Convert all opportunities in the red zone.  7's or 3's, but get points early and often.
2.  Win the turnover battle.  Keeps Juan on the sidelines.
3.  Control the clock with long ball-control drives.  Keep Juan on the sidelines.

Pretty basic and can probably be said for any team in any football game.  Milsaps can obviously put up points.  Our offense needs to keep pace and the defense needs to hold serve a few series.   

Oh yeah, y'all are taking the bus?  10 hours?  Good lord.  That's rough.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 27, 2008, 11:37:17 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 06:02:31 PM
Congratulations to SCAC OPOW Trinity RB Al Furlow ... that was quite a day he had for Trinity.  And it was a good thing he did!   8)

Congratulations also to Dennis Grebe on another fine job at LB for the TU Tigers.  Grebe leads the team in tackles this season, averaging 8.4 per game.

Any reliable word on Baer's status for Saturday's game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2008, 11:46:20 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 27, 2008, 10:02:36 PM
Oh yeah, y'all are taking the bus?  10 hours?  Good lord.  That's rough.

That's rough but it's life in the SCAC for most schools not named Trinity.  I'm just glad Millsaps doesn't have to bus the teams to Colorado.  :) :) :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 28, 2008, 03:35:40 AM
SCAC fans,

I fully understand thet the TU/Millsaps contest is taking top billing on the board this week as it should be because of its nationwide importance and ramifications!  However, there is another game of some importance as AC and Depauw are battling this week for a possible third place finish in the conference. (I know that Centre still also has a chance)

I realize as well as anyone that playing the comparative scores game is dangerous, but let's look at the data below anyway.

Point Spreads against common opponents;

Centre - Depauw +13, AC -5
Sewanee - Depauw +7, AC +11
Millsaps - Depauw -42, AC -34
BSC - Depauw +10, AC +18
Colorado C. - Depauw +3, AC +19

Against every opponent but Centre, AC has a better point spread against the opponents than Depauw.  Also, they had a pass intercepted  while driving for the go ahead TD against Centre late in the game.  In this game Depauw will be making the long road trip as well.  I am aware that Depauw is probably the favorite to win the game and I think that is as it should be.  However, the improvement shown by the Roos over the last four games has me encouraged that an upset is definitely possible. 

At the beginning of the year, I thought that AC would be an improved team and in the last half of this season, they have begun living up to that perception.  They have come from behind, showed that they are a strong second half team and are playing with more confidence and with a real goal (a 6 win season) in sight for the first time in a while.

I will be there to see how the Roos fare and am posting this to see if there is any discussion out there for this game as well.   ;)

Go Roos!!!  Go Cru!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 28, 2008, 03:37:16 AM
Rooski,

It was nice to meet you and your son this week.  I am sure that I will probably see you again this weekend?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 28, 2008, 05:18:34 AM
Quote from: Tex on October 27, 2008, 10:02:36 PM
I look forward to it MajorDad.  I'm a realist.  TU is not being ranked as high because we're not blowing people out the way Milsaps has.  Its understandable. 

To beat Milsaps, TU must:

1.  Convert all opportunities in the red zone.  7's or 3's, but get points early and often.
2.  Win the turnover battle.  Keeps Juan on the sidelines.
3.  Control the clock with long ball-control drives.  Keep Juan on the sidelines.

Pretty basic and can probably be said for any team in any football game.  Milsaps can obviously put up points.  Our offense needs to keep pace and the defense needs to hold serve a few series.   

Oh yeah, y'all are taking the bus?  10 hours?  Good lord.  That's rough.

That bus ride will stink for sure. Millsaps key to success will be our ability to play 4 qtrs of football with the 1st string. We really haven't done that. I would guess the closest we came was Belhaven and a Punt turned that game around.
Millsaps also has a secret set of fans that we didn't have at last years loss. Colorado College and BSU. Those guys do not want to meet another Millsaps team fresh off a Trinity loss, last year it was ugly 126-13......LOL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on October 28, 2008, 08:47:43 AM
Quote from: roocru on October 28, 2008, 03:37:16 AM
Rooski,

It was nice to meet you and your son this week.  I am sure that I will probably see you again this weekend?
Looking foward to another fine fall day in Sherman!

I hope the roos can have a good offensive showing this week. They seem to be close to having that breakout game. Maybe a second straight home game will bring out the best in them. They will need to control clock and score points to keep Spud Dick and Depauws offense on the sideline. A win this week would be a huge step for this program.

GO ROOS!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2008, 10:02:59 AM
I am happy to see the 'roo contingent have something to be excited about this season.  AC has really turned into quite a second-half team and a nice story.

I'm looking forward to seeing Millsaps and Trinity this weekend, it looks like a great day for football shaping up in SA.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on October 28, 2008, 11:12:40 AM
It has been nice watching the Roos pull out  a few victories the last few weeks.  They have always played hard.  That is a compliment to the staff. The national and conference recognition the last 3 weeks has been deserved.  I hope they get another victory this week.  I know they will compete. It will be a big test.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 28, 2008, 11:36:02 AM
QuoteIn this game Depauw will be making the long road trip as well.  I am aware that Depauw is probably the favorite to win the game and I think that is as it should be.  However, the improvement shown by the Roos over the last four games has me encouraged that an upset is definitely possible. 

Let me tell you, the Indiana Tigers are NOT taking AC lightly. I've been very impressed by the Roos' performance this year and it's neat to see some excitement that seems to be building there. You'll get more wins this year...I just don't want it to be this week!  ;)   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 28, 2008, 11:40:10 AM
While I'm at it...for you Roos fans...any suggestions on the best option for a hotel in Sherman? Right now I think we're at a Holiday Inn Express Suites or something like that. Saw there was a Hampton as well...guidance on restaurant/drinking establishments would be great too... :P Actually, we were thinking about  staying in Shemran Friday nigth then Saturday night in north Dallas...Thanks for any help you can provide... :)   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2008, 12:04:18 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 28, 2008, 11:40:10 AM
While I'm at it...for you Roos fans...any suggestions on the best option for a hotel in Sherman? Right now I think we're at a Holiday Inn Express Suites or something like that. Saw there was a Hampton as well...guidance on restaurant/drinking establishments would be great too... :P Actually, we were thinking about  staying in Shemran Friday nigth then Saturday night in north Dallas...Thanks for any help you can provide... :)   

I know the 'roo faithful will chime in, but as a former resident of the area, there's not much up there (unless the Express Suites is new).  The nearest 'corporate' type hotel is the Hilton Garden Inn in Allen, about 40 miles south ... and it ain't cheap.

Josh Bowerman works at AC so hopefully will see this thread and provide his insight. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 28, 2008, 01:19:01 PM
QuoteI know the 'roo faithful will chime in, but as a former resident of the area, there's not much up there (unless the Express Suites is new).  The nearest 'corporate' type hotel is the Hilton Garden Inn in Allen, about 40 miles south ... and it ain't cheap.

Josh Bowerman works at AC so hopefully will see this thread and provide his insight. 

Thank you, Ron...sounds kinda bleak  :o...I'm sure we'll find a suitable place. I think the team is staying at a Stonehenge or Stonebridge Hotel?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 28, 2008, 01:33:19 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 28, 2008, 11:40:10 AM
While I'm at it...for you Roos fans...any suggestions on the best option for a hotel in Sherman? Right now I think we're at a Holiday Inn Express Suites or something like that. Saw there was a Hampton as well...guidance on restaurant/drinking establishments would be great too... :P Actually, we were thinking about  staying in Shemran Friday nigth then Saturday night in north Dallas...Thanks for any help you can provide... :)   

There are a few hotel options...Holiday Inn Express, LaQuinta, Hampton, and then either a Comfort or Quality Inn (can't remember which)...those four are all literally next to each other.  There's also a place called the Stone Bridge which is where a lot of visiting teams stay.

As far as eating/drinking establishments, there are a few options...Cellarman's is a pretty decent local bar that also has some of the best pizza I've ever had, as well as a large beer selection.  City Limits is another restaurant/bar that's got cheap food and beer, and makes great burgers.  If you want some Mexican food, La Mesa is the best in the area, and is right next door to Cellarman's.

On top of those, there are the chains like Buffalo Wild Wings, Texas Roadhouse, Chili's, Red Lobster, Cheddars, El Chico's, Jalapeno Tree, Olive Garden, and a few others.  The chains are all right in the same area, and right by the four main hotels.  Cellarman's and La Mesa are closer to campus, and City Limits is a few miles down the road from those two places, not coincidentally on the city limits between Sherman and Denison.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 28, 2008, 01:58:23 PM
http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1613012

The new AFCA poll is out with Millsaps at #7 and Trinity at #8, the poll looks different than the DIII Top 25, the biggest poll comes out tomorrow with the Regional rankings having heavy influence on playoff invitations for Pool C.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 28, 2008, 02:18:29 PM
What may be good news for the Old Gold this weekend is that Austin just isn't going to throw the darned thing.  DePauw's giving up right at 3.5 ypc at 135 yards per game, which ain't bad.  Not great, but decent.

The problems for DePauw have come against the pass.  They're last in the conference against the pass by a mile - almost 40 yards per game more than the next closest defense - Centre. 

I think DePauw is getting healthier on the offensive side as days continue to come off the calendar, but they're going to have to hang on to the football.  They're next to last in turnover margin, but the good news is that the only team that's worse is Austin. 

Should be a good one on Saturday. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on October 28, 2008, 02:51:10 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 28, 2008, 02:18:29 PM
What may be good news for the Old Gold this weekend is that Austin just isn't going to throw the darned thing.  DePauw's giving up right at 3.5 ypc at 135 yards per game, which ain't bad.  Not great, but decent.

The problems for DePauw have come against the pass.  They're last in the conference against the pass by a mile - almost 40 yards per game more than the next closest defense - Centre. 

I think DePauw is getting healthier on the offensive side as days continue to come off the calendar, but they're going to have to hang on to the football.  They're next to last in turnover margin, but the good news is that the only team that's worse is Austin. 

Should be a good one on Saturday. 

Since we're trowing stats around........ Rhodes is giving up 2.1 ypc and 92.1 yards per game, including the AC game when we put up 3.4ypc and 200 total yards rushing AND passed for over 100 yards for the second straight week.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 28, 2008, 03:25:59 PM
QuoteThere are a few hotel options...Holiday Inn Express, LaQuinta, Hampton, and then either a Comfort or Quality Inn (can't remember which)...those four are all literally next to each other.  There's also a place called the Stone Bridge which is where a lot of visiting teams stay.

As far as eating/drinking establishments, there are a few options...Cellarman's is a pretty decent local bar that also has some of the best pizza I've ever had, as well as a large beer selection.  City Limits is another restaurant/bar that's got cheap food and beer, and makes great burgers.  If you want some Mexican food, La Mesa is the best in the area, and is right next door to Cellarman's.

On top of those, there are the chains like Buffalo Wild Wings, Texas Roadhouse, Chili's, Red Lobster, Cheddars, El Chico's, Jalapeno Tree, Olive Garden, and a few others.  The chains are all right in the same area, and right by the four main hotels.  Cellarman's and La Mesa are closer to campus, and City Limits is a few miles down the road from those two places, not coincidentally on the city limits between Sherman and Denison.

Great...thanks for the info...is that Stone Bridge OK?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 28, 2008, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: exmajor on October 28, 2008, 01:58:23 PM
http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1613012

The new AFCA poll is out with Millsaps at #7 and Trinity at #8, the poll looks different than the DIII Top 25, the biggest poll comes out tomorrow with the Regional rankings having heavy influence on playoff invitations for Pool C.

And the ASC powerhouse UMHB Crusaders plummet to #9 (just below MC and TU)!!  Wow ... guess that wasn't such a fun trip to Oregon after all.  I'm gonna have to save a copy of this week's poll ... Trinity ABOVE UMHB.  Somebody pinch me.
:o ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 28, 2008, 05:05:18 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 28, 2008, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: exmajor on October 28, 2008, 01:58:23 PM
http://www.afca.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=9300&ATCLID=1613012

The new AFCA poll is out with Millsaps at #7 and Trinity at #8, the poll looks different than the DIII Top 25, the biggest poll comes out tomorrow with the Regional rankings having heavy influence on playoff invitations for Pool C.

And the ASC powerhouse UMHB Crusaders plummet to #9 (just below MC and TU)!!  Wow ... guess that wasn't such a fun trip to Oregon after all.  I'm gonna have to save a copy of this week's poll ... Trinity ABOVE UMHB.  Somebody pinch me.
:o ;D

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 28, 2008, 05:32:00 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 28, 2008, 03:25:59 PM
QuoteThere are a few hotel options...Holiday Inn Express, LaQuinta, Hampton, and then either a Comfort or Quality Inn (can't remember which)...those four are all literally next to each other.  There's also a place called the Stone Bridge which is where a lot of visiting teams stay.

As far as eating/drinking establishments, there are a few options...Cellarman's is a pretty decent local bar that also has some of the best pizza I've ever had, as well as a large beer selection.  City Limits is another restaurant/bar that's got cheap food and beer, and makes great burgers.  If you want some Mexican food, La Mesa is the best in the area, and is right next door to Cellarman's.

On top of those, there are the chains like Buffalo Wild Wings, Texas Roadhouse, Chili's, Red Lobster, Cheddars, El Chico's, Jalapeno Tree, Olive Garden, and a few others.  The chains are all right in the same area, and right by the four main hotels.  Cellarman's and La Mesa are closer to campus, and City Limits is a few miles down the road from those two places, not coincidentally on the city limits between Sherman and Denison.

Great...thanks for the info...is that Stone Bridge OK?



I honestly would go for the Hampton, La Quinta or the Holiday Express b/c they are all fairly new and are right at 75 and 82 and the newer movie theater chain store/restaurant development. Don't know much about the Stone Bridge other than the pictures on their site make it look tacky as all hell (as most hotels in that price range are i suppose) Do NOT stay at the Sherman Inn (formerly Days Inn) or Executive Inn. 

Cellermans on Texhoma is pretty much the favorite place AC students go to and I definitely recommend it if you like a wide variety of beers.  If you like shots though they are all $5 a pop which kind of sucks.  I LOVE their big spud and spinach artichoke dip. 

City Limits, also on Texhoma,  does have good burgers.  I always thought the place looked like a strip club from its sign. 

Another favorite is Taqueria Abuela on Travis and King which is near downtown.  It was literally a taco stand up until last year when they expanded to a small restaurant and most students still call it the burrito or taco stand.

MG's on North Woods street is good if you like stuff like chicken fried steak, slider burgers and good old all American heart attack food.

Ferra's (formerly Barri's) on Texhoma is decent enough cheap Italian food. 

I was personally never much of a fan of La Mesa but it is packed quite often so I'm probably in the minority on that one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 28, 2008, 06:09:36 PM
Quote from: RooBro on October 28, 2008, 02:51:10 PM
Since we're trowing stats around........ Rhodes is giving up 2.1 ypc and 92.1 yards per game, including the AC game when we put up 3.4ypc and 200 total yards rushing AND passed for over 100 yards for the second straight week.  ;)

In all fairness, if DePauw gets out of Saturday with Austin gaining just 300 yards and they don't turn it over 4 or 5 times, I think they're going to feel pretty confident that they can score enough to win the football game.  This still is the best passing offense in the conference.  Plus, I'm sure that DePauw defense is excited about playing an offense that ISN'T running spread.

Rhodes has historically had a good defense, and Austin is indeed getting better.  You mentioned hanging 300 on the Lynx, but the Roo's haven't even gotten to 200 against DePauw in their 2 previous meetings.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 28, 2008, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 28, 2008, 06:09:36 PM

.....This still is the best passing offense in the conference......

I didn't even look at the SCAC Stats page for the numbers.  Regardless of what the numbers say, I'm not so sure that you'd find many who would put the DePauw passing offense over that of Millsaps, especially since Juan Joseph rarely sees any 4th quarter action.  All that being said, I will agree that the DePauw passing attack has been impressive in recent weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 28, 2008, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 28, 2008, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 28, 2008, 06:09:36 PM

.....This still is the best passing offense in the conference......

I didn't even look at the SCAC Stats page for the numbers.  Regardless of what the numbers say, I'm not so sure that you'd find many who would put the DePauw passing offense over that of Millsaps, especially since Juan Joseph rarely sees any 4th quarter action.  All that being said, I will agree that the DePauw passing attack has been impressive in recent weeks.

It's only 4 yards per game, anyway.  DePauw leads the league in passing yardage at 300.6.  Millsaps is 2nd at 296.4 before a significant drop off to Trinity at 237.  Millsaps' defense has been plenty good enough to get Juan off the field after 3.  DePauw's hasn't been. 

But, the numbers are the numbers.  DePauw is this conference's best passing offense from a statisitical perspective.  That being said, I imagine that you'll gladly take the blowout wins and a very impressive +31 ppg scoring differential per game instead of inflated stats for your quarterback and the +2 ppg scoring differential that DePauw has.

EDIT:  I'm not trying to argue with you, but Juan and Spud have eerily similar efficiency numbers:

Juan: 165-254 1842yds 21TD's 3INT 150.8 efficiency
Spud: 157-245 2032yds 18TD's 11INT 149.0 efficiency
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fb52 on October 28, 2008, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 28, 2008, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 28, 2008, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 28, 2008, 06:09:36 PM

.....This still is the best passing offense in the conference......

I didn't even look at the SCAC Stats page for the numbers.  Regardless of what the numbers say, I'm not so sure that you'd find many who would put the DePauw passing offense over that of Millsaps, especially since Juan Joseph rarely sees any 4th quarter action.  All that being said, I will agree that the DePauw passing attack has been impressive in recent weeks.

It's only 4 yards per game, anyway.  DePauw leads the league in passing yardage at 300.6.  Millsaps is 2nd at 296.4 before a significant drop off to Trinity at 237.  Millsaps' defense has been plenty good enough to get Juan off the field after 3.  DePauw's hasn't been. 

But, the numbers are the numbers.  DePauw is this conference's best passing offense from a statisitical perspective.  That being said, I imagine that you'll gladly take the blowout wins and a very impressive +31 ppg scoring differential per game instead of inflated stats for your quarterback and the +2 ppg scoring differential that DePauw has.

EDIT:  I'm not trying to argue with you, but Juan and Spud have eerily similar efficiency numbers:

Juan: 165-254 1842yds 21TD's 3INT 150.8 efficiency
Spud: 157-245 2032yds 18TD's 11INT 149.0 efficiency

For the sake of accuracy if the SCAC stats are up to date this is what it says. Both QB's are really good.

PASS OFFENSE G Comp Att Int   Pct. Yards Avg. TD Avg/G
1. Millsaps  5 142 207 2 68.6 1475 7.1 18 295.0
2. DePauw University  5 102 177 9 57.6 1416 8.0 12 283.2
3. Trinity (Tex.)  5 112 161 4 69.6 1267 7.9 12 253.4
4. Centre College  5 102 166 5 61.4 1104 6.7 8 220.8
5. Birmingham-Southern  2 29 51 2 56.9 351 6.9 2 175.5
6. Sewanee  6 91 171 9 53.2 858 5.0 4 143.0
7. Austin College  5 38 75 6 50.7 527 7.0 2 105.4
8. Rhodes College  4 30 82 11 36.6 363 4.4 1 90.8
9. Colorado College  5 30 80 9 37.5 429 5.4 3 85.8

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fb52 on October 28, 2008, 09:12:45 PM
Quote from: fb52 on October 28, 2008, 09:06:08 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 28, 2008, 08:46:37 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 28, 2008, 07:18:30 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 28, 2008, 06:09:36 PM

.....This still is the best passing offense in the conference......

I didn't even look at the SCAC Stats page for the numbers.  Regardless of what the numbers say, I'm not so sure that you'd find many who would put the DePauw passing offense over that of Millsaps, especially since Juan Joseph rarely sees any 4th quarter action.  All that being said, I will agree that the DePauw passing attack has been impressive in recent weeks.

It's only 4 yards per game, anyway.  DePauw leads the league in passing yardage at 300.6.  Millsaps is 2nd at 296.4 before a significant drop off to Trinity at 237.  Millsaps' defense has been plenty good enough to get Juan off the field after 3.  DePauw's hasn't been. 

But, the numbers are the numbers.  DePauw is this conference's best passing offense from a statisitical perspective.  That being said, I imagine that you'll gladly take the blowout wins and a very impressive +31 ppg scoring differential per game instead of inflated stats for your quarterback and the +2 ppg scoring differential that DePauw has.

EDIT:  I'm not trying to argue with you, but Juan and Spud have eerily similar efficiency numbers:

Juan: 165-254 1842yds 21TD's 3INT 150.8 efficiency
Spud: 157-245 2032yds 18TD's 11INT 149.0 efficiency

For the sake of accuracy if the SCAC stats are up to date this is what it says. Both QB's are really good.

PASS OFFENSE G Comp Att Int   Pct. Yards Avg. TD Avg/G
1. Millsaps  5 142 207 2 68.6 1475 7.1 18 295.0
2. DePauw University  5 102 177 9 57.6 1416 8.0 12 283.2
3. Trinity (Tex.)  5 112 161 4 69.6 1267 7.9 12 253.4
4. Centre College  5 102 166 5 61.4 1104 6.7 8 220.8
5. Birmingham-Southern  2 29 51 2 56.9 351 6.9 2 175.5
6. Sewanee  6 91 171 9 53.2 858 5.0 4 143.0
7. Austin College  5 38 75 6 50.7 527 7.0 2 105.4
8. Rhodes College  4 30 82 11 36.6 363 4.4 1 90.8
9. Colorado College  5 30 80 9 37.5 429 5.4 3 85.8



I forgot to mention these stats are SCAC games only. Wes is probably right for all games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 28, 2008, 10:10:39 PM
Thanks "roocru" for suggesting the get-together. It was certainly a pleasure to visit with someone with such deep A/C and DIII roots. And thanks for "saying" what some of the Roo faithful were thinking but hesitant to post about this weeks game.

While we absolutely acknowledge DePauw as the third member of the top tier in the SCAC  - I think they were pretty much expected to be in there and they certainly crushed us in Greencastle last season - I appreciate the posters allowing us to enjoy a little build up to a meaningful late season game since the Roos were not expected to be anywhere near there...

So the way I see it, the pressure is all on DePauw. I imagine they can handle it fine - but hopefully it will be fun to find out. A lot of things will need to go very well for the Roos at The Apple this Saturday. I believe they can.

{note to those attending Saturday, the game is at noon, not 1pm as originally scheduled}
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 28, 2008, 10:28:15 PM
QuoteI honestly would go for the Hampton, La Quinta or the Holiday Express b/c they are all fairly new and are right at 75 and 82 and the newer movie theater chain store/restaurant development. Don't know much about the Stone Bridge other than the pictures on their site make it look tacky as all hell (as most hotels in that price range are i suppose) Do NOT stay at the Sherman Inn (formerly Days Inn) or Executive Inn. 

Cellermans on Texhoma is pretty much the favorite place AC students go to and I definitely recommend it if you like a wide variety of beers.  If you like shots though they are all $5 a pop which kind of sucks.  I LOVE their big spud and spinach artichoke dip. 

City Limits, also on Texhoma,  does have good burgers.  I always thought the place looked like a strip club from its sign. 

Another favorite is Taqueria Abuela on Travis and King which is near downtown.  It was literally a taco stand up until last year when they expanded to a small restaurant and most students still call it the burrito or taco stand.

MG's on North Woods street is good if you like stuff like chicken fried steak, slider burgers and good old all American heart attack food.

Ferra's (formerly Barri's) on Texhoma is decent enough cheap Italian food. 

I was personally never much of a fan of La Mesa but it is packed quite often so I'm probably in the minority on that one.

Excellent information..thank you, KentATM..looking forward to our first trip to Sherman...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 29, 2008, 10:03:39 AM
Any idea what time the Regional Rankings will be out?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 29, 2008, 10:03:39 AM
Any idea what time the Regional Rankings will be out?

I think they'll be released just after the D2 underwater basket weaving rankings.  It's not a big priority for the AA folks, sometime this afternoon would be my guess.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 29, 2008, 12:55:55 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 12:22:27 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 29, 2008, 10:03:39 AM
Any idea what time the Regional Rankings will be out?

I think they'll be released just after the D2 underwater basket weaving rankings.  It's not a big priority for the AA folks, sometime this afternoon would be my guess.

Damn, I'm waiting on those also.......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 29, 2008, 02:12:47 PM
I gather that a lot of teams fall out of the underwater basket weaving rankings due to attrition, particularly at the Division II level.  Either you get your basket done or you drown.  Add in the element of wet straw and you've got one cuthroat sport on your hands.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 02:38:35 PM
They beat the basket weavers this week!

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/category/regional-rankings/

SOUTH REGION
1. Muhlenberg 7-0 7-0
2. Millsaps 6-0 7-0
3. Washington and Jefferson 6-0 7-0
4. Trinity (Texas) 6-0 7-0
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 5-0 6-1
6. Hardin-Simmons 7-1 7-1
7. Huntingdon 1-0 7-0
8. Catholic 5-1 6-1
9. Salisbury 2-0 7-1
10. Thomas More 6-1 6-1

Funny but true:  Rose-Hulman is tenth in the North Region. LOL!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 29, 2008, 02:41:23 PM
They are out guys, check the front page or click here: http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/10/29/ncaa-regional-rankings-first-release/

Millsaps at #2, even with a loss this weekend, I would think the Majors have a very good shot at Pool C, but still some football left to be played.  With a win, and assuming they take care of CC and BS-C, a top seed could be within reach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 02:46:47 PM
The only fly in that ointment might be the two non-regional games for Millsaps.  The best they would be would be 8-0 (in-region) / 10-0 (overall).  The NAIA game doesn't count in-region, nor does the B-SC game (since they are in the second year of provisional).    If someone else ends up 10-0/10-0 (or even 9-0/10-0) that could be all it takes to give the other school the #1 seed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 29, 2008, 02:48:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 02:38:35 PM
Funny but true:  Rose-Hulman is tenth in the North Region. LOL!

How bout those Engineers, huh?  They can win the HCAC with a win at Franklin this Saturday.  That's probably a little easier said than done, but they are indeed playing well this year.  Beat MSJ a few weeks ago.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2008, 02:52:48 PM
Ron, Millsaps has a similiar situation to UMHB?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 29, 2008, 02:53:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 02:46:47 PM
The only fly in that ointment might be the two non-regional games for Millsaps.  The best they would be would be 8-0 (in-region) / 10-0 (overall).  The NAIA game doesn't count in-region, nor does the B-SC game (since they are in the second year of provisional).    If someone else ends up 10-0/10-0 (or even 9-0/10-0) that could be all it takes to give the other school the #1 seed.

Agreed, but if a 9-1 Trinity, 10-0 Millsaps, 9-1 UMHB and 9-1 HSU make the playoffs, I am sure the NCAA will find a way to make this the dreaded "Texas sub-bracket" sprinkled with a Mississippi twist with UMHB going to Jackson in the first round, but as I think about this I realize the cart is way ahead of the horse right now. . . I am forcing myself back to thinking only of the game this weekend in SA!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 02:54:28 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2008, 02:52:48 PM
Ron, Millsaps has a similiar situation to UMHB?

Not exactly, UMHB played two non-D3 teams, Millsaps played 1 (Belhaven) and a team that, while in D3, isn't "official" yet.   And, of course, they defeated Belhaven and you would anticipate will thrash BSC.  But from an in-region standpoint, it's the same - neither game counts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 29, 2008, 02:56:29 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2008, 02:52:48 PM
Ron, Millsaps has a similiar situation to UMHB?

Ron,

Correct me if I am wrong, but is it correct that the BS-C games will count as in-region next season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2008, 03:00:58 PM
That's right, presuming B-SC continues meeting the NCAA progress benchmarks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2008, 03:17:34 PM
This is a huge game this week not only for the Conference title, but also seedings.  Millsaps wins, UMHB goes there and Trinity goes to HSU?  A Trinity win and HSU goes to Trinity and Millsaps goes to UMHB? 

I'm anxious to see the game this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2008, 03:17:34 PM
This is a huge game this week not only for the Conference title, but also seedings.  Millsaps wins, UMHB goes there and Trinity goes to HSU?  A Trinity win and HSU goes to Trinity and Millsaps goes to UMHB? 

I'm anxious to see the game this weekend.

That seems the most likely scenario, but I worry about Trinity getting in at 9-1 and not much in the way of quality wins.   Looks like there could be a lotta one-loss teams this year and there could be a spillover from Pool B.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 29, 2008, 02:48:03 PM

How bout those Engineers, huh?  They can win the HCAC with a win at Franklin this Saturday.  That's probably a little easier said than done, but they are indeed playing well this year.  Beat MSJ a few weeks ago.

I think that tells us all we need to know about the "strength" of the HCAC.   Goody for them if they can defeat Franklin, I'd like to see what they would do in the first round at Mt. Union. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2008, 03:36:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 03:27:51 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 29, 2008, 03:17:34 PM
This is a huge game this week not only for the Conference title, but also seedings.  Millsaps wins, UMHB goes there and Trinity goes to HSU?  A Trinity win and HSU goes to Trinity and Millsaps goes to UMHB? 

I'm anxious to see the game this weekend.

That seems the most likely scenario, but I worry about Trinity getting in at 9-1 and not much in the way of quality wins.   Looks like there could be a lotta one-loss teams this year and there could be a spillover from Pool B.

Ron,  I don't think Trinity drops all the way out if the lose to Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 29, 2008, 03:39:52 PM
This might get lost in all the talk about the regional rankings, but for those who are going to the Millsaps-Trinity game, I highly, highly recommend that you print out the preview of the game that's on the Millsaps website.  I imagine that it was put together by Kevin Maloney and it has a preview of the game, this week's look around the SCAC, and a ton of stats on both Millsaps and Trinity.  It's 18 pages and the link is:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/Binder1.pdf

(NOTE FROM WEDNESDAY EVENING:  I received an email from Kevin and he is adding more to this preview including some info that is coming from Trinity.  If the above link doesn't work this evening, try it again tomorrow.  Kevin said he had the link down temporarily while making these additions.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 29, 2008, 03:43:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 03:32:41 PM
I think that tells us all we need to know about the "strength" of the HCAC.   Goody for them if they can defeat Franklin, I'd like to see what they would do in the first round at Mt. Union. :D

I think that the RHIT/Franklin winner will be making a trip to Crawfordsville to see the Little Giants, personally.  I'm imagining a scenario where North Central and Mount Union don't stay in the same region. 

I figured whoever of those two that stayed in the North would get the MIAA winner (probably Trine) in the 1st round.  Just my thoughts on it, though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cabayne71 on October 29, 2008, 03:52:51 PM
I didn't get to see the BS-C game last week but I heard Thigpen (The Qb) got hurt. Does anyone know his status for whoever they are playing this week. I think it's Colorado College, but I am not sure. Is CC any good this year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2008, 03:53:05 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 29, 2008, 03:39:52 PM
This might get lost in all the talk about the regional rankings, but for those who are going to the Millsaps-Trinity game, I highly, highly recommend that you print out the preview of the game that's on the Millsaps website. 

I'll let Keith McMillan know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 29, 2008, 06:14:57 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 29, 2008, 03:39:52 PM
This might get lost in all the talk about the regional rankings, but for those who are going to the Millsaps-Trinity game, I highly, highly recommend that you print out the preview of the game that's on the Millsaps website.  I imagine that it was put together by Kevin Maloney and it has a preview of the game, this week's look around the SCAC, and a ton of stats on both Millsaps and Trinity.  It's 18 pages and the link is:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/Binder1.pdf

Wow! That preview is a great resource! Thanks Frank for the heads-up. It seems indicative of the Millsaps program from what I've seen personally. Lots of quality. Their team is a pleasure to watch {even though they thrashed my Roos in September}. Juan Joseph gets much deserved props but he is one of 11 outstanding players on a terrific offensive unit. Our visit there saw only first class treatment by the college and the football facility was an enjoyable setting. I hope their season becomes all that they want it to be!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 29, 2008, 08:04:25 PM
Good around the nation article today. Appears they are making the trip to Texas. This game should be one hell of a Trick or Treat event........
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 29, 2008, 08:21:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 03:32:41 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 29, 2008, 02:48:03 PM

How bout those Engineers, huh?  They can win the HCAC with a win at Franklin this Saturday.  That's probably a little easier said than done, but they are indeed playing well this year.  Beat MSJ a few weeks ago.

I think that tells us all we need to know about the "strength" of the HCAC.   Goody for them if they can defeat Franklin, I'd like to see what they would do in the first round at Mt. Union. :D

The HCAC is down, no doubt about it.  But Franklin has put together a nice run the last few years (at least until the playoffs).  They will represent the HCAC again - I think Rose has had their fun, and will not enjoy the return trip back to Terre Haute.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on October 29, 2008, 09:14:47 PM
Is this the week of a big game, I really haven't noticed? ;D
Wish I could make the trip to Trinity this weekend, but it appears that I won't be able to.  I hope that it is a great game, and may the best team come out on top.  I hope also for the Roo's sake that they get a win this week and secure third in the SCAC, it will be a tremendous step foward for their program.  Who knows in the future AC could be a force to be reckoned with in the SCAC.
I'm looking forward to Saturday's action, and I will be glued to the computer, hopefully watching my Majors come out victorious.  Either way I wish both teams' players the best.  Good Luck and GO MAJORS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2008, 09:36:03 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 29, 2008, 08:04:25 PM
Good around the nation article today. Appears they are making the trip to Texas. This game should be one hell of a Trick or Treat event........

K-Mack will be there, his first visit to SA to see a D3 game.   He said he'd gotten tickets in last week's Triple Take.

I'm sure someone somewhere will be writing a game story that starts with something like "so-and-so got all the treats ..." but it probably won't be K-Mack. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 30, 2008, 10:06:42 AM
Look forward to reading about his experience. GO MAJORS!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 30, 2008, 11:09:20 AM
A column in the local newspaper about "The God Play" and the attitude of the Millsaps players.  I'm sure they'll be ready to play their best game of the season Saturday. 

Also, let me just say something about the one sentence that is bound to generate comments on the board.  DuBose says it was the worst game Millsaps played all year and also acknowledged poor clock management at the end of the game.  Personally, I agree with both of those accessments while also realizing that if Millsaps did play their worst game of the year that day, the Trinity defense was certainly a factor in that being the case.  But that's all water under the bridge now.  Here's the article:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081030/COL0504/810300342/1177/SPORTS
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 30, 2008, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 03:49:24 AM
Hope lots of you Majors fans will be making the trip west to San Antone ... the atmosphere at TU is not quite as festive as in Jackson, but it should be quite a circus after last year's post-game publicity.  We welcome you to E.M. Stevens and hope you have a safe trip!  Be sure to come early (Thu or Fri) and take in the famous San Antonio River Walk if you've never been ... it' well worth an extra day of vacation or personal day to get to experience Texas San Antonio style!

FYI, Trinity University is located just off Hwy 281 about 2 miles north of downtown and about 7 miles south of San Antonio Airport.  E.M. Stevens Field is on the TU campus and the entrance (and parking) is along Shook Avenue, between Mulberry and Hildebrand.

For those needing a map and directions, here's a GoogleMap you can use: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=29.459422,-98.482733&spn=0.008538,0.013561&t=h&z=16&msid=114544560278502564499.000456945c544cddce2ab (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=29.459422,-98.482733&spn=0.008538,0.013561&t=h&z=16&msid=114544560278502564499.000456945c544cddce2ab)

Just repeating my earlier post for the benefit of the Millsaps faithful (and K-Mack!) who will be heading west this weekend. H\have a safe trip and we hope you enjoy your stay in S.A. ... but not too much!  Hope to meet some of you on the field after the game ... win or lose it should be a good one for both schools, the SCAC and Division III.  Don't forget to bring your caps, sunglasses and sunscreen ... the Visitors' stands face directly into the afternoon sun.
8)

Hey ... I just made "Starter" status with this post (#200)!!! 
... +1 to my friend frank_ezelle just because I can!!   
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbunch on October 30, 2008, 01:08:29 PM
Wow, I can't believe Nov. 1st is finally here!! Both Millsaps and Trinity have been pretty steady this year and hopefully the Majors will come off of their rest week ready to play. I'm looking forward to seeing what a full 4 quarters of football from the Millsaps firsts teamers will produce, I know that everyone will need to 'leave it all on the field' for a victory from the home team Tigers.

A few comments have been made RE the travel... I made the trip a couple of times from Jackson to San Antonio 'back in the day' and remember it not really being an issue. You just learn to accept the situation being in DIII. Especially now in the era of ipods, iphones, etc., the trip will fly by for the guys.

I will be heading down from Austin Saturday morning with the family and hope to see some old friends and maybe meet some of the regulars here on the board.

It has been very enjoyable keeping track of the SCAC this season, hopefully it is a sign of good things to come for the conference.


GO MAJORS!!!


Bryan
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 30, 2008, 04:55:55 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 30, 2008, 11:09:20 AM
A column in the local newspaper about "The God Play" and the attitude of the Millsaps players.  I'm sure they'll be ready to play their best game of the season Saturday. 

Also, let me just say something about the one sentence that is bound to generate comments on the board.  DuBose says it was the worst game Millsaps played all year and also acknowledged poor clock management at the end of the game.  Personally, I agree with both of those accessments while also realizing that if Millsaps did play their worst game of the year that day, the Trinity defense was certainly a factor in that being the case.  But that's all water under the bridge now.  Here's the article:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081030/COL0504/810300342/1177/SPORTS

Good post Frank and a good article. It's true, the players remember for sure. I can only believe that Coach Dubose has them focused, not on what happened last year, but what they need to do to ensure last year doesn't happen again. I'm looking forward to the trip tomorrow and to a great game on SAT with the Millsaps family. I liken last years result to the MISS. College game last year in some ways. Coach Dubose made it up to the guys in Purple, allowing them to take out some frustrations on MC in the 1st game this year. I can only believe that clock management will not be an issue this game. The best team will win SAT. and whoever that team is, they will have left it ALL out on the field. GO MAJORS!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 30, 2008, 04:58:49 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 30, 2008, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 03:49:24 AM
Hope lots of you Majors fans will be making the trip west to San Antone ... the atmosphere at TU is not quite as festive as in Jackson, but it should be quite a circus after last year's post-game publicity.  We welcome you to E.M. Stevens and hope you have a safe trip!  Be sure to come early (Thu or Fri) and take in the famous San Antonio River Walk if you've never been ... it' well worth an extra day of vacation or personal day to get to experience Texas San Antonio style!

FYI, Trinity University is located just off Hwy 281 about 2 miles north of downtown and about 7 miles south of San Antonio Airport.  E.M. Stevens Field is on the TU campus and the entrance (and parking) is along Shook Avenue, between Mulberry and Hildebrand.

For those needing a map and directions, here's a GoogleMap you can use: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=29.459422,-98.482733&spn=0.008538,0.013561&t=h&z=16&msid=114544560278502564499.000456945c544cddce2ab (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=29.459422,-98.482733&spn=0.008538,0.013561&t=h&z=16&msid=114544560278502564499.000456945c544cddce2ab)

Just repeating my earlier post for the benefit of the Millsaps faithful (and K-Mack!) who will be heading west this weekend. H\have a safe trip and we hope you enjoy your stay in S.A. ... but not too much!  Hope to meet some of you on the field after the game ... win or lose it should be a good one for both schools, the SCAC and Division III.  Don't forget to bring your caps, sunglasses and sunscreen ... the Visitors' stands face directly into the afternoon sun.
8)

Hey ... I just made "Starter" status with this post (#200)!!! 
... +1 to my friend frank_ezelle just because I can!!   
;D

TD, thanks for the warm welcome to sunny SA. Being from Tampa, warm weather is what I'm looking forward to. That just didn't sound right but the temps here lately have been chilly. Shades, don't forget the Shades.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 30, 2008, 05:01:19 PM
QuoteI can only believe that clock management will not be an issue this game. /quote]

Clock management in San Antonio? Did they get some new officials?  ;D
Sorry, couldn't resist.

In all seriousness, looking forward to seeing how this one comes out...a battle of two very fine teams...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 30, 2008, 10:21:20 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on October 30, 2008, 04:58:49 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 30, 2008, 12:35:31 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 27, 2008, 03:49:24 AM
Hope lots of you Majors fans will be making the trip west to San Antone ... the atmosphere at TU is not quite as festive as in Jackson, but it should be quite a circus after last year's post-game publicity.  We welcome you to E.M. Stevens and hope you have a safe trip!  Be sure to come early (Thu or Fri) and take in the famous San Antonio River Walk if you've never been ... it' well worth an extra day of vacation or personal day to get to experience Texas San Antonio style!

FYI, Trinity University is located just off Hwy 281 about 2 miles north of downtown and about 7 miles south of San Antonio Airport.  E.M. Stevens Field is on the TU campus and the entrance (and parking) is along Shook Avenue, between Mulberry and Hildebrand.

For those needing a map and directions, here's a GoogleMap you can use: http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=29.459422,-98.482733&spn=0.008538,0.013561&t=h&z=16&msid=114544560278502564499.000456945c544cddce2ab (http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&ll=29.459422,-98.482733&spn=0.008538,0.013561&t=h&z=16&msid=114544560278502564499.000456945c544cddce2ab)

Just repeating my earlier post for the benefit of the Millsaps faithful (and K-Mack!) who will be heading west this weekend. H\have a safe trip and we hope you enjoy your stay in S.A. ... but not too much!  Hope to meet some of you on the field after the game ... win or lose it should be a good one for both schools, the SCAC and Division III.  Don't forget to bring your caps, sunglasses and sunscreen ... the Visitors' stands face directly into the afternoon sun.
8)

Hey ... I just made "Starter" status with this post (#200)!!! 
... +1 to my friend frank_ezelle just because I can!!   
;D

TD, thanks for the warm welcome to sunny SA. Being from Tampa, warm weather is what I'm looking forward to. That just didn't sound right but the temps here lately have been chilly. Shades, don't forget the Shades.....

High is supposed to be 84.  Winds light and variable.  SA has a way of getting pretty warm this time of year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 30, 2008, 10:22:03 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 30, 2008, 12:35:31 PM
Hey ... I just made "Starter" status with this post (#200)!!! 
... +1 to my friend frank_ezelle just because I can!!   
;D

With great power comes great responsibility.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 30, 2008, 11:28:59 PM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/local_colleges/Recruiting_may_be_toughest_job_of_all_at_D-III_level.html

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/local_colleges/Trinity_Mary_Hardin-Baylor_build_winning_D-III_programs_in_different_ways.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2008, 11:49:35 PM
A preview from SCACSports.com:

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/news/millsaps_trinity_preview

excerpt:

It might not be a stretch to say that when the Majors (ranked fifth in the D3football.com poll and seventh in the AFCA Coaches' poll) and Tigers (eighth in the AFCA poll, 14th in D3football.com) kickoff, the two teams will be playing in the biggest game in the history of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference/College Athletic Conference. As testament, D3football.com plans on sending national correspondent Keith McMillan to cover the game. 

Hope your flight gets in on-time, K-Mack  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 31, 2008, 01:14:29 AM
Quote from: Tex on October 30, 2008, 10:21:20 PM
High is supposed to be 84.  Winds light and variable.  SA has a way of getting pretty warm this time of year. 

84?!?  I was coming home late from work a couple nights ago and it was snowing.   :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 31, 2008, 09:45:34 AM
Today's San Antonio Express-News has several articles on Trinity, UMHB and other Texas D-III schools ... all available on-line from here:
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/local_colleges/

This has to be the most information ever published in SA (maybe in Texas) about Division III football ... very impressive and well-researched.  No doubt this is due to the publicity surrounding the Trinity-Millsaps matchup on Saturday.

A tip of the hat to the MySA.com Sports editors and reporters ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2008, 12:09:50 PM
That is a nice series of articles, especially for a paper that often makes you wonder if it's even in the same city as TU.  Thanks for the link.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on October 31, 2008, 02:32:30 PM
On the SCACSPORTS.com website as of this post...

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/index (http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/index)

"Everyone is asking so we will too - Who wins on Saturday, Millsaps or Trinity?"

Millsaps (12) 18%

Trinity (54) 81%

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 31, 2008, 02:34:56 PM
Best of luck to the TU Tigers in this biggest of big games.  I wish I could watch online, but it won't be possible right now.  May the Lord bless you all.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 31, 2008, 03:12:41 PM
Quote from: coachhaack on October 31, 2008, 02:34:56 PM
Best of luck to the TU Tigers in this biggest of big games.  I wish I could watch online, but it won't be possible right now.  May the Lord bless you all.  

Coach with all respect to you and the good Lord I think TU used up that blessing last year.  ;)

This is one game that has reached the level of importance and interest that many have hoped it would. It has been a long year for the Majors to endure the replay but I think if they can travel well and manage their emotions it won't be close. I know that will upset some but I think TU is not overall as strong or as  skilled as they were last year and the Majors have improved. Home field is an X factor for TU so we will see. Great game situation for both teams,coaches and fans.

Go Majors
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 31, 2008, 05:01:09 PM
LAMAJOR:

   You'd be surprised at how much the Lord blesses the Tigers.   :D

But, I understand your sentiment, and will hopefully give you a thoughtful, respectful rebuttal.

The improvements the Majors have made year to year have not been lost on the TU coaching staff, and really, coach Mohr and the staff predicted these days would be upon us when Mike Dubose was hired at Milsaps.

You've got great coaching, great kids, and having been there at Harper Davis Field, during the 07 game AND the 06 game which was significantly less joyful, we know that you've got great support from administration, your fans, alumni, and the student body.   It's a great atmosphere, and "we" (as if I were still there) enjoy going there.

I too am glad that this game has become the important SCAC rivalry that it has.  It's good for both schools, the SCAC, and D3 at large.

I think it will be close--and I think Trinity's capability for playing in (and winning) the close game is a product of years and years of quality coaching and winning. X-factors aside, TU has done it for years.  At home and on the road.  I find it Ironic that people talk about TU's home record with a raised eyebrow; while 3 of the five TU losses I experienced were at home.

Azuza Pacific, UMHB (2004) and UMHB (2005). 

I don't have the Stats in front of me, so forgive me if I mis-quote a detail or two but....

The TU Tigers were behind with 9 seconds to play, facing fourth and goal to go (In Greencastle) vs. the Depauw Tigers a couple years ago.   We know how that ended.

TU was behind with less than two minutes to play in Redlands.  A few plays later, Desplains to Kremmers, and TU wins again.

Sewanee (or was it Rhodes?) Had us on the ropes at their place back in 04 or 05 and the pulled it off again. 

There are so many more examples, that I really can't remember just the ones that happened while I was privileged to be part of Coach Mohr's staff. 

My point is that from what I can tell in the little bit of the TU Tiger football I've been able to catch on line, the Tigers are better than last year. 

In addition to the improvement in the quality of play, I firmly believe that the TU Tigers have a competitive character that is part of their team identity.  Instilled by the coaches, and carried by the players, and passed from one graduating class to the next.  As a TU Tiger, you are expected to fight to the final whistle. 

When other teams are down by 8, with just over two minutes on the clock vs. a very strong, ranked Milsaps opponent at Harper Davis Field, lots of teams fold up emotionally and pack it in.  Especially after not getting a 2-point conversion to tie, and most especially after not covering an onside kick, and watching the number one scoring offense in the SCAC come out to possess the ball, and use up all but 2 seconds on the game clock.

If that were Trinity's only example, I could see why anti-Tigers would look back on last year's once-in-a-lifetime moment, and call it a lucky fluke.  But in having first-hand knowledge of how Coach Mohr and his staff groom and train those kids, I say, although last year's special moment was a miraculous blessing to be sure, this TU team expects to win, and they'll fight you for that "W" all the way.

I believe chalking everything up to home field advantage really minimizes the efforts of Coach Mohr's very capable and dedicated staff, the great, great kids who play at TU, year in and year and the self-sacrificing parents in the PAWS organization that really make being a part of Coach Mohr's program a special joy. 

Last year's once-in-a-lifetime moment is not the reason I think TU can z(and will) win.   It's all the reasons I stated before that. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 31, 2008, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: Chronological Order on October 31, 2008, 02:32:30 PM
On the SCACSPORTS.com website as of this post...

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/index (http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/index)

"Everyone is asking so we will too - Who wins on Saturday, Millsaps or Trinity?"

Millsaps (12) 18%

Trinity (54) 81%



That disparity really surprises me - it would be interesting to see the composition of those voters.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 31, 2008, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 31, 2008, 05:18:20 PM
That disparity really surprises me - it would be interesting to see the composition of those voters.

The disparity would not surprise you if you knew how the Trinity faithful respond to an invitation to vote in an Internet poll!  We can be very determined ...
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2008, 06:13:00 PM
OK, here's a poll that only registered d3boards.com posters can vote on.  Have fun, everyone.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on October 31, 2008, 06:16:04 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 31, 2008, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 31, 2008, 05:18:20 PM
That disparity really surprises me - it would be interesting to see the composition of those voters.

The disparity would not surprise you if you knew how the Trinity faithful respond to an invitation to vote in an Internet poll!  We can be very determined ...
;D

:D :D :D  Well said.  Well said indeed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 31, 2008, 08:42:45 PM
Ron,  what kind of crowd do you  think will be at the game tomorrow?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2008, 09:07:46 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 31, 2008, 08:42:45 PM
Ron,  what kind of crowd do you  think will be at the game tomorrow?

Trinity never has a big draw.  2000-2500 and that's fairly generous.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 31, 2008, 11:05:08 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 31, 2008, 05:54:57 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 31, 2008, 05:18:20 PM
That disparity really surprises me - it would be interesting to see the composition of those voters.

The disparity would not surprise you if you knew how the Trinity faithful respond to an invitation to vote in an Internet poll!  We can be very determined ...
;D

Trinity faithful respond well to other invitations, which I appreciate. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2008, 01:23:08 AM
A little national love from USA Today for the teams playing in SA on Saturday:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/2008/10/friday-eye-op-4.html

SA E-N article, "Millsaps moves beyond Trinity's 'Miracle':"

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/local_colleges/33673164.html

Jackson Clarion-Ledger article, "Millsaps still remembers 'The God Play'":

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081030/COL0504/810300342/1177/SPORTS

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 01, 2008, 01:41:02 AM
The last time TU fans got pumped in voting on-line, the school got a $100,000 check from Pontiac.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 01, 2008, 07:21:29 AM
The last time the TU players got pumped up, the school got a share of the SCAC football title. 

They don't like to share.

Remember: It's not over 'til the fat man laterals!

GO TIGERS ... BEAT THE MAJORS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 01, 2008, 08:26:30 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2008, 01:23:08 AM
A little national love from USA Today for the teams playing in SA on Saturday:

http://blogs.usatoday.com/gameon/2008/10/friday-eye-op-4.html

SA E-N article, "Millsaps moves beyond Trinity's 'Miracle':"

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/local_colleges/33673164.html

Jackson Clarion-Ledger article, "Millsaps still remembers 'The God Play'":

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081030/COL0504/810300342/1177/SPORTS



Ron,
Part of that story also made the weekend edition of the USA Today. I was on the flight from Tampa to SA last night browsing the paper when the story, small but definitly there, jumped out at me. Nice to see we're getting some love. Who knows, maybe we'll get a CGD mention.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 01, 2008, 09:29:43 AM
Our local high school team, also the Tigers and also maroon (made it very easy to keep all our fan gear), won a HUGE game last night.  Home game for the Tigers, main district rival, undefeated and full of confidence, came to town and the local good guy Tigers won a close one.  33-27.  So, that's my prediction today.  TU Tigers win 33-27. 

In all seriousness, I pray for no injuries and a gracious winner no matter which way the score ends up. 


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 01, 2008, 09:33:29 AM
I'm with ya TEX, looking for a great game from two awesome teams. WHERE'S THE BEER!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 01, 2008, 10:35:40 AM
I hear College game day did a piece on the Millsaps/Trinity game. What a time to pick to go downstairs for b'fast. *&^%$^^%$##
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 11:09:49 AM
If anyone's interested in today's "undercard" between Austin College and DePauw, I know that DePauw will have radio at the game, and provided the internet holds up at Apple Stadium I'll do my best to post updates.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on November 01, 2008, 11:14:32 AM
Will somebody keep me up to date on the Millsaps/TU game? I will only be able to check things on my phone today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 11:26:10 AM
Ron, sorry I can't return the visit that you made to Millsaps last year.  Looks like it will be a beautiful day!

Obviously, this game is still 'on the radar' because of last year's wild finish.  It really is too bad that only one of these teams gets to win the game today.

But then again, if they BOTH make the playoffs ...  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2008, 11:33:06 AM
Quote from: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 11:26:10 AM
Ron, sorry I can't return the visit that you made to Millsaps last year.  Looks like it will be a beautiful day!

Obviously, this game is still 'on the radar' because of last year's wild finish.  It really is too bad that only one of these teams gets to win the game today.

But then again, if they BOTH make the playoffs ...  :D

I'm just about to leave for the game.  I hope that regardless of today's outcome both teams will advance to the playoffs and have a chance for a rematch.

Unfortunately my cell phone doesn't seem to want to let me connect to d3boards.com, otherwise I'd be happy to post score updates.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 11:34:44 AM
Will be glad to handle some of that as I watch on-line ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 12:17:07 PM
It's a gorgeous day for football at Apple Stadium here in Sherman...not a cloud in the sky, temp is in the 70's.  Now let's hope for a good one from AC and DePauw...about 40 minutes until kickoff...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 01:15:52 PM
AC forces a DePauw punt and then takes it 80 yards in nine plays culminating in a tough 8 yard touchdown run by Scooter Means, AC up 7-0 midway through the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 01:39:35 PM
Different game, same story on special teams - Matt Finke blocks yet another field goal to keep DePauw off the board in the second quarter, still 7-0 'Roos.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 01:50:57 PM
3rd and 8 from the DePauw 3, and the Tigers get a 97 yard screen pass for the touchdown.  7-7 with 4:54 left in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:06:35 PM
Normally just post during basketball, but will provide game updates today at the Centre-Rhodes game.

Early in the game - Centre went 4 and out. Rhodes at their own 5 scrimaging.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2008, 02:09:58 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:06:35 PM
Normally just post during basketball, but will provide game updates today at the Centre-Rhodes game.

Early in the game - Centre went 4 and out. Rhodes at their own 5 scrimaging.

Whoa, whoa, whoa there.  What are you doing here?  It's not November yet. 

Oh wait.  It is November, you say?  Nevermind.  As you were, then.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:11:16 PM
Rhodes punts - Centre has the ball on the Rhodes 35.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on November 01, 2008, 02:17:39 PM
Any updates from San Antonio?  I'm at sea.  No bandwidth to speak of.  I'l watch and refresh as often as possible.  Thanks guys.

May God bless all competitors with an injury free day in the SCAC.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:20:19 PM
3-0 Centre; 37 yd FG at the 7:49 mark of the 1st qtr.

I am definitely ready for basketball, but a beautiful autumn day in Memphis with good color and warm temps (mid 70's). Perfect for football. 

Keep me posted on DePauw Wes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 02:23:13 PM
DePauw scores with 6 seconds left but the PAT goes wide, 13-7 at the half in favor of DePauw.

In the second quarter AC got it down to the 1 but couldn't punch it in (leading to the 97 yard screen play for Jon Ellis), and then got another 1st and goal from the 9 and ended up missing a field goal wide right.

236 passing yards for Spud Dick at the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:29:22 PM
Centre driving after partially blocking a Lynx punt and gaining possession near midfield. With 1:42 left in the 1st qtr, Colonels have the ball at the Rhodes 14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:34:38 PM
Colonels score on a 12 yard touchdown pass from Osterman to Hayes. 10-0 with 18 seconds left in the 1st qtr.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:37:31 PM
Colonels recover a fumble on the opening play following the kickoff. 1st and 10 from the Lynx 25 as the quarter closes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 02:39:14 PM
The 'Roos go 3 and out after a dead ball personal foul backed them way up, a 45 yard punt return puts DePauw deep in AC territory and now it's 2nd down at the 1...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 02:41:16 PM
Ellis punches it in from the 1, 20-7 DePauw leads with 12 minutes left in the third.  Momentum is squarely with DePauw at this point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:42:49 PM
Osterman runs 12 yards for a TD; missed extra point. 16-0 Centre at 13:07 mark of the 2nd qtr.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 02:47:00 PM
Zach Mamot breaks a 49 yard touchdown run on 2nd and 10, and the score is 20-14 DePauw with 9:29 left in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:48:36 PM
Pretty fair game between DPU and AC 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 02:50:01 PM
Furlow swing pass for a TD TU 7-0 6:02 in the 1st
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 02:53:07 PM
Rhodes got the ball on a short punt following a bad snap at the Centre 38 (the punt rolled 7 yds). Centre just intercepted Rhodes at the 3 yd line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 02:53:28 PM
MC gets big return from Gallatas
JJ pass for TD 7-7 all tied up.
4:43 in the first
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Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 02:55:26 PM
A personal foul penalty on AC puts DePauw in AC territory, and after a big pass play to Koors to get inside the 5, Dick throws another TD and gets the 2pt conversion...28-14 with 6:42 left in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:03:32 PM
A couple penalties helping the 'Roos keep their drive alive, 1st and 10 from the DePauw 33 with just over three minutes left in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 03:06:04 PM
JJ runs for a TD Millsaps is up 14-7 with less than a minute in the 1st.
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Post by: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 03:06:47 PM
End of 1st ptr

Millsaps 14
Trinity 7
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Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 03:07:19 PM
Gilbert puts the Lynx on the board with a 2 yd TD run. Rhodes misses the PAT. 16-6 with 3:58 left in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:10:05 PM
28-14 at the end of the third quarter, but AC has it 1st and goal from the 9...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 03:13:56 PM
14-10 Millsaps with a TU field goal
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Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:14:51 PM
AC goes for it on 4th but fails to convert...3rd time they've had 1st and goal and failed to get points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 03:17:00 PM
Halftime - Centre 16 Rhodes 6
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Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:18:55 PM
DePauw punts, AC takes over from the 38 with 11:21 left in the game, still down two scores.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 03:25:20 PM
Millsaps dropped punt and TU converts on the 1st play TU17-14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:26:39 PM
AC converts on 4th down in their own territory, and a few plays later Braly throws a touchdown pass to make it 28-21 with nine and a half left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2008, 03:31:50 PM
Here we go again....

btw... this is one excellent football game being played between TU & Millsaps.  Really enjoying the video feed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 03:33:14 PM
Millsaps gets a 4yd run by Bowser for a TD Millsaps
Millsaps up 21-17
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:35:33 PM
How's this for a contrast in style...DePauw has over 300 pass yards, AC has 280 rush yards.

DePauw driving into AC territory, down to the 25 right now with 4 and a half left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:37:54 PM
Timeout DePauw, 4th and 3 from the AC 21 with 2:48 left on the clock.  DePauw still up 28-21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2008, 03:39:03 PM
Quote from: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:37:54 PM
Timeout DePauw, 4th and 3 from the AC 21 with 2:48 left on the clock.  DePauw still up 28-21.

Dunno if you kick or not.  Those two blocked kicks are weighly heavily, I'm sure.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:39:46 PM
38 yard field goal is good, DePauw leads 31-21 with 2:44 on the clock.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2008, 03:40:33 PM
That answers that, I guess.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 03:42:36 PM
Rhodes goes 3 and out on their opening 3rd qtr series. 
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Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:44:53 PM
4th down for AC from the DePauw 41, 1:29 on the clock.  Looked like they had a completion when Braly found Amerson, who was then pushed out of bounds while in the air, but the refs ruled him out on his own.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 03:46:32 PM
Skinner TD
Millsaps up 28-17with about a minute left in half.
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Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:47:20 PM
Roos pick up the conversion, and now it's 2nd and 2 with 1:16 left.
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Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:48:35 PM
Braly scrambles to the DePauw 5, 59 seconds left...2nd and goal
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Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 03:49:08 PM
Centre is moving with 4 1st downs on their opening series. Now 2nd and 10 on the Rhodes 22.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:49:54 PM
Braly finds Hasten for a 5 yard touchdown pass, 54 seconds left and it's 31-28 DePauw with 54 seconds left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 03:51:25 PM
28-17 Millsaps up at the half
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Post by: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 03:51:45 PM
halftime

Millsaps 28
Trinity 17
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Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 03:51:54 PM
Colonels turn it over on downs at the Lynx's 23. 7:28 to go in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2008, 03:52:16 PM
Never thought I'd see a day when the Black Flag gave up 300 in a half.  Wow.  I'm stunned.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2008, 03:54:05 PM
DePauw recovers the onside kick, and AC is out of timeouts with 49 seconds left. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 01, 2008, 03:54:38 PM
DPU wins, 31-28 - I remain a little perplexed by the 08 Tigers, but I will not argue about another W in the ledger.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on November 01, 2008, 04:05:37 PM
Congrats to DPU, on the hard fought victory!  Also good game to AC, the roos have really turned over a new leaf!  Saps v. Trinity is making me chew my nails off!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:06:40 PM
As the 3rd qtr concludes, Rhodes has driven it to the Centre 18 where it's 3rd and 5. Rhodes' best sustained drive of the game. 
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Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:08:14 PM
2nd play of the 4th qtr Rhodes kicks a 33 yd field goal. Centre leads 16-9 one minute into the qtr.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on November 01, 2008, 04:10:19 PM
LA Major:  From the bottom of my heart, thanks for the updates.  You're a true gentleman.   Gotta get back to work, as we are in the middle of an excersize.  Will check back later.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:12:25 PM
Centre goes 3 and out. Rhodes has a little momentum. Rhodes' ball on their own 32.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:18:08 PM
Neither squad is moving the ball. Rhodes has it on their own 24 with 9 minutes to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 04:19:58 PM
Thanks Coach
Gallatas TD catch
35-17 Millsaps
12 mins left in the 3rd
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2008, 04:20:21 PM
Trinity's in bigtime trouble here.  They just flat cannot stop the Millsaps offense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:21:24 PM
Rhodes is driving again with a 27 yd controverial pass play ruled good has them at the Centre 20.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:27:17 PM
The Lynxs are stopped inside the 5 on downs. 1st and 10 Colonels on the Rhodes 3 with 5 minutes to go. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 04:29:52 PM
37 yd FG by TU 7:35 left in the 3rd
Millsaps 35 TU 20
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:30:43 PM
Jonathan Pinque just took a handoff 95 yds for a Colonels touchdown. 23-9 Centre with 4:16 to play. Pinque was very shifty in his jaunt, but a tired camper for sure!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:34:50 PM
2:34 to play; Rhodes has it 4th and 11 on the Centre 36.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 04:36:26 PM
TD run JJ
Millsaps 42-20 with 5:16 left in the 3rd
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Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:37:28 PM
Centre intercepts the ball and takes over on their 36 with 2:27 to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 04:43:31 PM
Thompson TD catch for TU
Millsaps 42-27
2:57 left in 3rd
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 01, 2008, 04:45:42 PM
Centre wins 23-15. Lynx score on final play. Not much offense in this game except for Pinque's electrifying run. Rhodes actually dominated offensively in the 2nd half. The Colonels took advantage of early turnovers to score the first 16 points of the game and then left it for the defense to hold on from there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 04:52:00 PM
Start of the 4th and TU driving on Millsaps 20
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 05:01:34 PM
Interception by Majors in TU enzone
Metzger 9 yd TD run
Millsaps 49 TU 27
Millsaps almost 500 yds total offense
26 first downs
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2008, 05:03:04 PM
This just in to the newsroom: Millsaps = scary good.  Like, offensive juggernaut good.  Film at 11.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 05:03:39 PM
Millsaps Brooks interception with 11 mins left in the game
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Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 05:12:55 PM
Bowser TD catch for Millsaps 56-27
with 4:10 left
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 05:20:58 PM
JJ out of the game with almost 500 yds total passing and running phenom
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 05:22:28 PM
GAME OVER
Millsaps gets the big monkey off their back
Millsaps 56 TU 27
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 01, 2008, 05:24:08 PM
Congratulations to the Majors on a great win against a great team in Trinity!  This was a historical day in the SCAC.  It was a well played game with classy young men in victory and defeat!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on November 01, 2008, 05:34:37 PM
Good play by both teams, the game was more exciting than the score shows!  From what I saw the Refs did a good job, and both Trinity and Millsaps showed great composure after it was all in the books.  Great Broadcast, and hope that there is a possibility of seeing TU again in the playoffs.  Congrats to the Majors, now lets get ready for Colorado College and Birmingham Southern!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 05:38:47 PM
strong Millsaps team takes this one

Trinity showed some offensive strength in second half but couldn't sustain a comeback

Juan Joseph will no doubt pick up a TOW on this game
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: coachhaack on November 01, 2008, 05:40:06 PM
Congratulations Milsaps fans.  From the updates LA Major proided, it seems that TU was simply out done.  I wish I had been there to be with the kids and coaching staff on the TU sideline on a day like today.  

I know those kids, so I know they played the whole game.  Like I said, it's part of their identity.  I hope and pray that a one loss TU team can still make the play offs if they show strong throughout the remainder of the schedule.  

Well done Majors.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 05:38:47 PM

Juan Joseph will no doubt pick up a TOW on this game

I agree Major Rev but I would include the OL as well for the TOTW consideration. They had right at 600 yds of offense against the SCAC leading defense and were very balanced run v. pass.

Total team effort.
I know Coach DuBose will work on the turnovers and giving up big plays. Juan Joseph played BIG today.
Coachhaack outdone is probably accurate. Millsaps was like a machine after TU went up 17-14. Get out of the way we are comming through.....
The defense made the big deflating stops in the 2nd half with the interceptions.
Very well played with still some room to improve.

Third consecutive SCAC Champs
AQ Playoff Berth
10 game winning streak
Top 5 ranking
Nice bus ride home ;D

Is it possible that Millsaps has not yet played it's best game this season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2008, 06:35:49 PM
congrats to a dominant Major team. I think the Millsaps attack can be slowed, but obviouslynot by anyone in the SCAC !   Win out and enjoy your well-deserved HFA.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 01, 2008, 07:58:18 PM
What great day of college football today -SCAC style!!

Congrats to ALL SCAC teams. To the young men and coaches and their staffs, you have made Saturday afternoons very special this fall. I admire and respect what you do week after week.

- And may I say I am v-e-r-y proud our our Kangaroos! What a compelling game between AC and DePauw this afteroon. It was a thrilling contest. So glad I was there today!

And the good news for us fans and posters is, the season is not over...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 01, 2008, 08:22:15 PM
well I really don't know how to express
Exactly how I feel right now. Today was
Just incredible. I have always thought
This Millsaps team was special. The best
Team as I mentioned in an earlier post,
Would have to leave it all on the field.
Millsaps did just that today. I would like
To give some serious kudos to the class
Act that the Trinity folks showed. A fine
School and a classy team. Of course the
No drinking policy put a damper on things
But I feel that allowed me to enjoy the game
More. To witness the amount of heart
That I saw on the field today was a privilege.
Trinity need not be down, take care of the
Rest and we'll see you on the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 01, 2008, 10:47:48 PM
Quote from: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 05:38:47 PM

Juan Joseph will no doubt pick up a TOW on this game

I agree Major Rev but I would include the OL as well for the TOTW consideration. They had right at 600 yds of offense against the SCAC leading defense and were very balanced run v. pass.

Total team effort.
I know Coach DuBose will work on the turnovers and giving up big plays. Juan Joseph played BIG today.
Coachhaack outdone is probably accurate. Millsaps was like a machine after TU went up 17-14. Get out of the way we are comming through.....
The defense made the big deflating stops in the 2nd half with the interceptions.
Very well played with still some room to improve.

Third consecutive SCAC Champs
AQ Playoff Berth
10 game winning streak
Top 5 ranking
Nice bus ride home ;D

Is it possible that Millsaps has not yet played it's best game this season?


LA, you have no idea how popular this quote has become in San Antonio:

Third consecutive SCAC Champs
AQ Playoff Berth
10 game winning streak
Top 5 ranking
Nice bus ride home ;D


I'll let the other tell you.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 01, 2008, 10:57:12 PM
Quote from: TE4SAPS80 on November 01, 2008, 05:34:37 PM
From what I saw the Refs did a good job,

I'm a bit concerned about that statement..........
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 02, 2008, 12:03:46 AM
Quote from: LA Major on November 01, 2008, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: Major Rev on November 01, 2008, 05:38:47 PM

Juan Joseph will no doubt pick up a TOW on this game

I agree Major Rev but I would include the OL as well for the TOTW consideration. They had right at 600 yds of offense against the SCAC leading defense and were very balanced run v. pass.

Total team effort.

Is it possible that Millsaps has not yet played it's best game this season?

Thought about that later and totally agree with you!  Haven't seen the stat sheet yet, but were there ANY sacks?  (couldn't remember any)

BIG stat today reported at the end of the game - 8 for 8 in the red zone!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2008, 12:08:11 AM
D3football.com voters are more knowledgable than SCACsports.com voters:

OK, we know what the SCAC website says - who wins on on SA on Saturday?

Millsaps - by 10 or more   12 (44.4%)
Millsaps - by less than 10   8 (29.6%)
Trinity - by less than 10   5 (18.5%)
Trinity - by 10 or more   2 (7.4%)

Total Voters: 27
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 02, 2008, 12:12:12 AM
I would also like to add my congratulations to Millsaps for a hard-fought and well-deserved victory in S.A. this afternoon.  We saw a very strong team, especially the O-Line as was mentioned earlier by others.  Joseph had all the time he needed and more ... what a fine performance by the Majors offense.  Millsaps bent but did not break and took advantage of several key opportunities presented to them.

Trinity tried to keep pace but just got worn down as the game went along.  Tigers mounted a terrific comeback effort, but just came up a play or two short.  The game was much closer than the final score would seem to show.  Even in defeat, the Tigers showed the heart of a champion today.  Nobody likes to lose and we're glad it doesn't happen very often for Trinity.

Just a football game, after all ... we were reminded of the proper perspective during halftime as the S.A. area military vets were honored.  Proud to be an American today ... and a D3 football fan.

Also nice to see all the media and fan support at E.M. Stevens today ... not something we get to see very often. 

Wishing the Majors and all their family and fans a safe trip back to Jackson and best wishes for the remainder of their season.  Hope the SCAC will be represented well when the NCAA makes their picks in a couple weeks ... none of us are quite ready for football season to end yet!!

WE'RE TIGER PROUD.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 02, 2008, 12:14:38 AM
Congrats to the Majors - this is quite a team. They must have an offense like Texas Tech - it never stops rolling!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 02, 2008, 12:30:36 AM
TigerDad, glad to see Chris back on the field for the limited time that he played.  We hope he'll get to show his stuff in the playoffs!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 02, 2008, 12:40:17 AM
My 2 cents on the AC/DePauw contest;

Congratulations to DePauw, especially to their goal line defense. :( AC had three chances at 1st and goal during the game and missed one field goal and turned it over on downs twice.  They also outgained DePauw in total yardage 458 to 415.  However, you guys made the plays you needed in order to win and my hat is off to you!

It was a great game in which neither side ever quit and as heartbreaking as the loss is, I am proud of the Roos for their improvement this year.  Time will tell, but I sincerely hope AC has shown they are no longer the "patsies" of the SCAC.  Once we learn to score in the red zone (ie; DePauw and Centre), we can truly turn the corner.  We now have two weeks to prepare for Trinity with the knowledge that an upset is possible.  Who knows what will happen!   ;D ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on November 02, 2008, 01:07:40 AM
Congrats to Millsaps on a good game.

Also wanted to mention that the Trinity-Millsaps game was mentioned during the highlights of the Tech-Texas game tonight on ESPN. Of course they mainly mentioned the Miracle but they also said the two teams were playing again today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 02, 2008, 01:21:53 AM
Millsaps and Trinity received a brief mention on College Football Final in the highlight package of the Texas Tech/Texas game.  (Wild game!)

I thought that turnovers would be a factor in a close game, but it turns out that the turnover category was a wash in a game that wasn't so close in the second half.  The difference in the game was the strength of the Millsaps offense in terms of its consistency.  

Best of luck to both squads the rest of the way!


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 02, 2008, 06:33:07 AM
I enjoyed the Millsaps-Trinity game yesterday.  I thought Joseph was outstanding at QB.  Two things that doomed Trinity were their kicking game and their total lack of a pass rush.  Joseph had all the time he needed to throw and he is too good to let him stand back there with no pressure.  Also, the middle of the field was wide open for him to take off for several key runs.  Great win by the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbunch on November 02, 2008, 08:55:00 AM
Great game yesterday for Millsaps in San Antonio. Though I would chime in with my thoughts/observations on the game.

First off, the temperature was not too bad, but the sun was very intense and made it seem much hotter than it was. This fact was evident in seeing several players on the sidelines fighting cramps. I'm sure Millsaps was happy to be in their all white gear  :).

As several have said, Millsaps was just too good offensively. Trinity could not figure out how to stop the Majors. Trinity was respecting the pass so much that the middle of the field was a parking lot that the coaches quickly capitalized on and is reflected in the rushing yards that Juan was able to compile. Millsaps did a good job of balancing the offense with their rushing attack, with some hard running by several of Millsaps RB's. When Juan did pass, the o-line gave him plenty of time to find someone. Trinity did a decent job of covering, it was just a matter of Juan making his decisions so quickly and his passes were exactly where they needed to be. One other thing that was a huge factor IMO was yards after the catch. Millsaps receivers did an outstanding job of getting another 5-10 yards after the catch time after time.

I think TigerDad hit the nail of the head RE Millsaps defense. They definitely bent (a little more than I would have liked) but did not break. Trinity was able to move the ball with some big plays and kept themselves in the game until the middle of the 4th quarter. The first interception in the end zone was the back breaker for Trinity, it was one of those "look what I found" interceptions that the DB did not see until it hit him in the hands. All in all, the defense did step up in the end and make plays when they had to. Hopefully the next two weeks will give coach Dubose some time to get his defense back to where they should be, since that was the one spot where Millsaps seemed the most vulnerable.

For those just seeing the score, this game was MUCH closer than the scoreboard showed. Trinity was within 15 early in the 4th quarter and was driving for another score when Millsaps intercepted in the end zone. But once Millsaps got their hands on the ball again, Trinity did not have an anwser.

Thanks to the Tigers for a great game and this should be a great rivalry for years to come.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 02, 2008, 09:04:34 AM

The Majors were at an advantage in pretty much all phases of the game.  While they had virtually all the same people from last year's game on offense, the dropoff in the talent of the Trinity defense from last year was evident.  Defensively, they were great as well.  While the Tigers have some scoring power, the inexperience at the QB position showed.  Joseph was completely relaxed and at ease throughout, which he has been for three years.  Something that I think has hurt Trinity's offense is the emphasis on the screen passes.  The QB doesn't ever really figure out how to make reads down the field and more mistakes occur as a result.  Millsaps throws a good amount of screens as well, but Joseph has been back there for so long that he can see all the action in slow motion it seems.  He always finds the open receiver and it's just so tough to stop. 

I think if the defense and the qb had been a little more experienced, the game would have been closer.  Not a win, though, as Millsaps was pretty much unstoppable and I suspect they'll get a shot at the purple raiders this year.  Yes, I think they are that good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 02, 2008, 11:21:09 AM
Congrats to the Majors....wow, what a performance. Was also nice to see the game get a mention on College Game Day Saturday morning...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 02, 2008, 11:27:36 AM
QuoteMy 2 cents on the AC/DePauw contest;

Congratulations to DePauw, especially to their goal line defense.  AC had three chances at 1st and goal during the game and missed one field goal and turned it over on downs twice.  They also outgained DePauw in total yardage 458 to 415.  However, you guys made the plays you needed in order to win and my hat is off to you!

It was a great game in which neither side ever quit and as heartbreaking as the loss is, I am proud of the Roos for their improvement this year.  Time will tell, but I sincerely hope AC has shown they are no longer the "patsies" of the SCAC.  Once we learn to score in the red zone (ie; DePauw and Centre), we can truly turn the corner.  We now have two weeks to prepare for Trinity with the knowledge that an upset is possible.  Who knows what will happen! 

Well said. Hats off to the Roos....I think the team has made a huge leap in just the past year...that was a hard fought road win for the Tigers. In talking with some of the locals they were prettty high on the things Coach Gage is doing...sounds as though he may be building something, which is great for the conference. We enjoyed the set up at the stadium and the folks there were very accomodating...really enjoyed our time in Sherman and Dallas 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fb52 on November 02, 2008, 02:49:18 PM
Man This is from the Millsaps SID. Sounds like they definetly had revenge on thier minds. Notice key phrase "San Antonio Slaughter"

SAN ANTONIO, Texas - Oliver Galicki, Andres Wallace, Jordan Granville, John
Shivers and Adam Williams paved the way for a season-high 576 yards of total
offense and 5th-ranked Millsaps dropped the most points on host Trinity (Texas)
in the SCAC era in a 56-27 rout of the Tigers Saturday afternoon at E.M. Stevens
Stadium.

Senior All-American hopeful Juan Joseph completed 30-of-43 passes for 370 yards
and three TDs and also rushed for 91 yards and two more scores as Millsaps not
only clinched an automatic playoff berth but snapped a 13-year home conference
winning-streak (36 games) for the Tigers dating back to 1995.

Millsaps (8-0, 5-0 SCAC) won its 10th straight game dating back to last year's
"Mississippi Miracle" loss and earned the right to term the game this season the
"San Antonio Slaughter" while sending 14th-ranked TU to its first loss of the
2008 season after opening the year at 7-0.

"We hit on all cylinders today," offensive coordinator John David Caffey said.
"It's probably our best performance of the season but we can still perform
better.  We followed our game plan that we practiced all week and definitely
showed up  for the showdown."

Millsaps set the tempo on the opening play from scrimmage, using Jonathan
Brooks' 26-yard fumble recovery for a touchdown.  However, Trinity's Riley Curry
was deemed down by contact and the touchdown was wiped off the board - one of
two on the afternoon (Michel Galatas 85-yd kick return).

Trinity (7-1, 4-1 SCAC) would score first two series later, taking advantage of
a Joseph fumble on a called option play that set the Tigers up on the Majors'
24-yard line.  After the turnover, Bryant Wilson marched TU 24 yards on seven
plays, connecting with Al Furlow from 12-yards out for the 7-0 lead.

Millsaps responded right back 1:08 later, using a career-long 55-yard kick
return from sophomore Michael Galatas to set the Majors up at TU's 32-yard line. 
After a 10-yard rush from Joseph, the senior found fellow senior Eric McCarty
from 20-yards out over the middle to knot it at 7-7.

After forcing TU into a three-and-out on its next possession, Millsaps took its
first lead of the contest on its best drive of the day, a 9-play, 80-yard drive
over 3:15 that ended in a 14-yard run from Joseph and a 14-7 lead.

Ten unanswered from the Tigers off Peter Licalzi's 25-yard field goal and
Wilson's 26-yard TD pass regave them the lead at 17-14 and energized the crowd
of 3,213 before 10 unanswered from the Majors gave the visitors a 28-17 lead at
intermission.

Millsaps would take total control of the game in the second half, scoring TDs on
four of its five possessions while limiting the Tigers to just 10 points to come
away with the convincing, 29-point win.

Behind Joseph's stellar afternoon that will likely garner him D3football.com and
SCAC Player of the Week honors, McCarty caught nine balls for 115 yards and a
score, Galatas caught four for 82 yards and a score, Raymece Savage grabbed six
for 49 yards and Shane Bowser grabbed four for 56 yards and a score.  Wilson
completed 18-of-31 passes for 275 yards, three TDs and two INTs for TU,
connecting with Chris Coleman a team high five times for 67 yards.

Defensively for Millsaps, Lee Klein had a team high eight tackles, Denarold
Anderson had seven tackles (2.0 TFL) and a sack and Jacob Hanberry had seven
tackles, two breakups and a key interception in the third quarter.  For the
Tigers, Dennis Grebe had a game high 10 tackles.

The Majors will return home next weekend for a Homecoming showdown with Colorado
College, with kickoff set for 1 p.m.  Before kickoff, 20 Millsaps seniors will
be recognized in addition to halftime festivities.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 02, 2008, 03:13:35 PM
Congrats to Milsaps.  Better team yesterday in the 2nd half, and that's when it counted.  TU had a comeback chance down two scores, but threw an INT in the endzone that ended their hopes.  That was the game changing moment. 

TU defense had little solution for Juan Joseph in the 2nd half..  He will be graduating, right?  :)  As good as he was, his receivers helped him a lot by catching most of his tosses.  It was his runs up the middle that were the most effective.  He doesn't take too many direct hits.    Hats off to the Milsaps coaches for their 2nd half adjustments. 

The Milsaps  running back was pretty darn effective as well.  Arm tackles do not bring him down.   

I've seen a lot of D-3 games this year and Joseph is the best I've seen so far. 

I guess the next poll should be did the point differential knock TU out of a Pool C bid?  I sure hope not.  But, I have no idea of what exactly determines Pool C bids. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2008, 03:17:10 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 02, 2008, 03:13:35 PM
Congrats to Milsaps.  Better team yesterday in the 2nd half, and that's when it counted.  TU had a comeback chance down two scores, but threw an INT in the endzone that ended their hopes.  That was the game changing moment. 

TU defense had little solution for Juan Joseph in the 2nd half..  He will be graduating, right?  :)  As good as he was, his receivers helped him a lot by catching most of his tosses.  It was his runs up the middle that were the most effective.  He doesn't take too many direct hits.    Hats off to the Milsaps coaches for their 2nd half adjustments. 

The Millsaps  running back was pretty darn effective as well.  Arm tackles do not bring him down.   

I've seen a lot of D-3 games this year and Joseph is the best I've seen so far. 

I guess the next poll should be did the point differential knock TU out of a Pool C bid?  I sure hope not.  But, I have no idea of what exactly determines Pool C bids. 
Point differential is not a criterion.

Playoff bids (http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?answer&category=Playoffs&id=25)

Let's see what the Regional Rankings look like on Wednesday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 02, 2008, 04:11:20 PM
It's games like yesterday where you just tip your hat to the other guys and learn from it.  If we do make it into the playoffs, yesterdays game can be the test we needed to expose a few chinks in the armor.  Fix those and we can be very dangerous to whomever we meet up with. 

Hopefully, my Tigers can take care of business these next two weeks and be in a position to compete for that bid. 
Title: Millsaps at Trinity
Post by: Josh Moczygemba on November 02, 2008, 09:32:52 PM
A few shots for those that weren't able to see the game on Saturday.
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 02, 2008, 09:58:18 PM
Thanks Josh
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 02, 2008, 10:10:13 PM
As soon as my camera and I get back together later this week, I should have about 1000 photos or so to upload.  www.tigerpics.net


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 02, 2008, 10:22:18 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 02, 2008, 03:13:35 PM
Congrats to Milsaps.  Better team yesterday in the 2nd half, and that's when it counted.  TU had a comeback chance down two scores, but threw an INT in the endzone that ended their hopes.  That was the game changing moment. 

TU defense had little solution for Juan Joseph in the 2nd half..  He will be graduating, right?  :)  As good as he was, his receivers helped him a lot by catching most of his tosses.  It was his runs up the middle that were the most effective.  He doesn't take too many direct hits.    Hats off to the Milsaps coaches for their 2nd half adjustments. 

The Milsaps  running back was pretty darn effective as well.  Arm tackles do not bring him down.  

I've seen a lot of D-3 games this year and Joseph is the best I've seen so far. 

I guess the next poll should be did the point differential knock TU out of a Pool C bid?  I sure hope not.  But, I have no idea of what exactly determines Pool C bids. 

Tex I agree with your statement regarding the coaching decisions at half time. I also think it could have been very different if not for the Hanberry interception in the end zone.
I also would offer for consideration the heart and no quit attitude by the Majors in the outcome. One stat that stands out to me in the fact from the point that TU was up 17-14 Millsaps outscored the Tigers 42-10. That is really amazing. This is a mature team that is prepared to win each week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 05:53:19 AM
Millsaps moves to # 4 on DIII.com, AFCA not out yet. Trinity only drops two spots to #16 hopefully that keeps them strong for an at-large bid. Here's hoping De Pauw can pull an upset on Wabash in week 11 and possibly Otterbein knocking off Mount Union next week. Probably a lot of wishful thinking on that last match-up. Plenty of football left, hope no one is looking forward......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2008, 06:58:31 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 05:53:19 AM
Millsaps moves to # 4 on DIII.com, AFCA not out yet. Trinity only drops two spots to #16 hopefully that keeps them strong for an at-large bid. Here's hoping De Pauw can pull an upset on Wabash in week 11 and possibly Otterbein knocking off Mount Union next week. Probably a lot of wishful thinking on that last match-up. Plenty of football left, hope no one is looking forward......
Just a reminder to the new readers...

The rankings in the d3football.com Top 25 have absolutely no bearing on the Regional Rankings that are used by the Selection Committee.  The Selection criteria are listed in the FAQ.

FAQ -- Playoffs (http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?question&category=Playoffs)

The Pool C message board has good reveiws and posts on the at-large bids.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:04:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2008, 06:58:31 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 05:53:19 AM
Millsaps moves to # 4 on DIII.com, AFCA not out yet. Trinity only drops two spots to #16 hopefully that keeps them strong for an at-large bid. Here's hoping De Pauw can pull an upset on Wabash in week 11 and possibly Otterbein knocking off Mount Union next week. Probably a lot of wishful thinking on that last match-up. Plenty of football left, hope no one is looking forward......
Just a reminder to the new readers...

The rankings in the d3football.com Top 25 have absolutely no bearing on the Regional Rankings that are used by the Selection Committee.  The Selection criteria are listed in the FAQ.

FAQ -- Playoffs (http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?question&category=Playoffs)

The Pool C message board has good reveiws and posts on the at-large bids.

Ralph,
I knew that before posting and have read the pool C board as well, just trying to be positive in some aspect. Speaking of pictures, here's one I've grown kinda fond of:


(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi494.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Frr305%2F08snake_photo%2F071.jpg&hash=b0ed46101d7bb19782cefc0ab8a3c23f508d3dd8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:16:05 AM
Quote from: fb52 on November 02, 2008, 02:49:18 PM
Man This is from the Millsaps SID. Sounds like they definetly had revenge on thier minds. Notice key phrase "San Antonio Slaughter"

SAN ANTONIO, Texas - Oliver Galicki, Andres Wallace, Jordan Granville, John
Shivers and Adam Williams paved the way for a season-high 576 yards of total
offense and 5th-ranked Millsaps dropped the most points on host Trinity (Texas)
in the SCAC era in a 56-27 rout of the Tigers Saturday afternoon at E.M. Stevens
Stadium.

Senior All-American hopeful Juan Joseph completed 30-of-43 passes for 370 yards
and three TDs and also rushed for 91 yards and two more scores as Millsaps not
only clinched an automatic playoff berth but snapped a 13-year home conference
winning-streak (36 games) for the Tigers dating back to 1995.

Millsaps (8-0, 5-0 SCAC) won its 10th straight game dating back to last year's
"Mississippi Miracle" loss and earned the right to term the game this season the
"San Antonio Slaughter" while sending 14th-ranked TU to its first loss of the
2008 season after opening the year at 7-0.

"We hit on all cylinders today," offensive coordinator John David Caffey said.
"It's probably our best performance of the season but we can still perform
better.  We followed our game plan that we practiced all week and definitely
showed up  for the showdown."

Millsaps set the tempo on the opening play from scrimmage, using Jonathan
Brooks' 26-yard fumble recovery for a touchdown.  However, Trinity's Riley Curry
was deemed down by contact and the touchdown was wiped off the board - one of
two on the afternoon (Michel Galatas 85-yd kick return).

Trinity (7-1, 4-1 SCAC) would score first two series later, taking advantage of
a Joseph fumble on a called option play that set the Tigers up on the Majors'
24-yard line.  After the turnover, Bryant Wilson marched TU 24 yards on seven
plays, connecting with Al Furlow from 12-yards out for the 7-0 lead.

Millsaps responded right back 1:08 later, using a career-long 55-yard kick
return from sophomore Michael Galatas to set the Majors up at TU's 32-yard line. 
After a 10-yard rush from Joseph, the senior found fellow senior Eric McCarty
from 20-yards out over the middle to knot it at 7-7.

After forcing TU into a three-and-out on its next possession, Millsaps took its
first lead of the contest on its best drive of the day, a 9-play, 80-yard drive
over 3:15 that ended in a 14-yard run from Joseph and a 14-7 lead.

Ten unanswered from the Tigers off Peter Licalzi's 25-yard field goal and
Wilson's 26-yard TD pass regave them the lead at 17-14 and energized the crowd
of 3,213 before 10 unanswered from the Majors gave the visitors a 28-17 lead at
intermission.

Millsaps would take total control of the game in the second half, scoring TDs on
four of its five possessions while limiting the Tigers to just 10 points to come
away with the convincing, 29-point win.

Behind Joseph's stellar afternoon that will likely garner him D3football.com and
SCAC Player of the Week honors, McCarty caught nine balls for 115 yards and a
score, Galatas caught four for 82 yards and a score, Raymece Savage grabbed six
for 49 yards and Shane Bowser grabbed four for 56 yards and a score.  Wilson
completed 18-of-31 passes for 275 yards, three TDs and two INTs for TU,
connecting with Chris Coleman a team high five times for 67 yards.

Defensively for Millsaps, Lee Klein had a team high eight tackles, Denarold
Anderson had seven tackles (2.0 TFL) and a sack and Jacob Hanberry had seven
tackles, two breakups and a key interception in the third quarter.  For the
Tigers, Dennis Grebe had a game high 10 tackles.

The Majors will return home next weekend for a Homecoming showdown with Colorado
College, with kickoff set for 1 p.m.  Before kickoff, 20 Millsaps seniors will
be recognized in addition to halftime festivities.




While I love poking fun as evidenced by the pic above, the term San Anotnio Slaughter is a bit over the top and pretty much uncalled for. Obviously the originator didn't see the same game I did. The score is not indictive of actually how close this game was. As Trinity was driving early in the 4th, looking to get the score within 8 points, I was thinking this was gonna be a long 15 mintues with visions of last years loss fresh in my mind. The interception in the end zone was the KEY play of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 08:21:10 AM
MajorDad,  the INT was a big play, but Trinity's defense could do nothing.  There was no pressure on Joseph all day and he made some big runs, also. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 03, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:16:05 AM
While I love poking fun as evidenced by the pic above, the term San Anotnio Slaughter is a bit over the top and pretty much uncalled for. Obviously the originator didn't see the same game I did. The score is not indictive of actually how close this game was. As Trinity was driving early in the 4th, looking to get the score within 8 points, I was thinking this was gonna be a long 15 mintues with visions of last years loss fresh in my mind. The interception in the end zone was the KEY play of the game.

Keep in mind this was written by a guy that is paid to hype up the Majors, not an un-biased sportswriter.  It is a little mis-leading though as I agree with your comments about Trinity fighting back in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 11:03:59 AM
Ron, what was your impression of the Trinity defense?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2008, 11:05:05 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:04:37 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2008, 06:58:31 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 05:53:19 AM
Millsaps moves to # 4 on DIII.com, AFCA not out yet. Trinity only drops two spots to #16 hopefully that keeps them strong for an at-large bid. Here's hoping De Pauw can pull an upset on Wabash in week 11 and possibly Otterbein knocking off Mount Union next week. Probably a lot of wishful thinking on that last match-up. Plenty of football left, hope no one is looking forward......
Just a reminder to the new readers...

The rankings in the d3football.com Top 25 have absolutely no bearing on the Regional Rankings that are used by the Selection Committee.  The Selection criteria are listed in the FAQ.

FAQ -- Playoffs (http://www.d3football.com/faq.php?question&category=Playoffs)

The Pool C message board has good reveiws and posts on the at-large bids.

Ralph,
I knew that before posting and have read the pool C board as well, just trying to be positive in some aspect. Speaking of pictures, here's one I've grown kinda fond of:


(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi494.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Frr305%2F08snake_photo%2F071.jpg&hash=b0ed46101d7bb19782cefc0ab8a3c23f508d3dd8)
;)

When I wrote that, I was thinking of other posters who had been thru the excruciating agony of "Pool C-dom" as Millsaps experienced last year.

That photo is historical significance.  Those Trinity players were playing Junior High ball the last time that scoreboard looked like that in a SCAC game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
Ralph,  what do you think of Trinity's chances for a Pool C?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2008, 11:12:45 AM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
Ralph,  what do you think of Trinity's chances for a Pool C?
Good morning, Bill.

Unfortunately, I think that TU is about #7 or #8 in line for Pool C, and there is nothing we can do to avoid that.

Hendrix Warriors (and probably Concordia-TX) are coming on-line for football in the next 2-3 years.  That leaves only one non-conference game for SCAC and ASC teams.  Why should Trinity leave the state for a non-conference game?

On the other hand, our OWP/OOWP will always be around .500.  We are stuck with that when that criterion is considered.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 11:31:14 AM
Ralph, who do you think has to lose for Trinity to get in?  From what I saw Saturday, they would be a 7 or 8 seed in the region.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2008, 11:54:12 AM
Quote from: exmajor on November 03, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
Keep in mind this was written by a guy that is paid to hype up the Majors, not an un-biased sportswriter.  It is a little mis-leading though as I agree with your comments about Trinity fighting back in the game.

It's also written by someone who is offically representing the school, and this is Division III.     There's no denying that the final margin of victory gives Millsaps the right to call the game whatever they want.  I understand the year-long frustration that led to the use of the term but find it unfortunate.

Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 11:03:59 AM
Ron, what was your impression of the Trinity defense?

I think Millsaps' no-huddle offense disrupted Trinity's ability to substitute as freely as they normally would.  The DL was obviously gassed as the game went on and some of the poor tackling was probably caused by fatigue.   I don't think the TU defense sucked quite as bad as you do - the Millsaps attack seems based on snap, look, throw which simply doesn't give time for pressure to develop.   And when your secondary is giving so much yardage, it opens itself up to quick outs and slant patterns that are a staple of the Major attack.

I would have liked to have seen the Trinity defenders jam the Millsaps receivers from time to time, but with so many 4 and 5 WR sets if you fail to keep the WR on the line there's going to be a LOT of open space in the secondary.   Trinity lost a lot of its defensive backfield to graduation (only three starters returned on defense, period) and that was pretty evident on Saturday.   

The better team won, and I think they're better than a lot of people are giving them credit for just because Trinity hasn't won a playoff game in five years.   This isn't the Millsaps team that lost on the road in the first round a couple of years ago in their first-ever D3 playoff appearance, and they're clearly the class of the SCAC.  Even during the halcyon days, I'm not sure Trinity ever dominated the SCAC the way Millsaps has this season.  Time will tell if that translates to W's in the playoffs - if they stay healthy, I will be very surprised to see them lose in the first two rounds should they secure the home field advantage. 

Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 11:31:14 AM
Ralph, who do you think has to lose for Trinity to get in?  From what I saw Saturday, they would be a 7 or 8 seed in the region.

It's all about the secondary criteria like wins against regionally ranked opponents, opponent's winning percentage, opponent's opponent's winning percentage, and record against regional teams.  The latter (at 9-1 should Trinity win out) is about the only thing TU has going for it against other one loss teams that have had to play out-of-region or out of D3.  The OWP and OOWP are very low and playing Austin and Centre (in Danville, where Trinity has lost before) isn't going to help.   So, basically, a couple of teams with one loss need to lose.   8-2 won't get anyone a Pool C bid in this year. 

Wednesday's regional rankings will tell us more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 12:15:18 PM
Ron,  I think Trinity blitzed one time.  The front four put no pressure on Joseph.  And your right, they were gassed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2008, 12:18:48 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 11:05:54 AM
Ralph,  what do you think of Trinity's chances for a Pool C?
Ditto Ron's thoughts.

I think that TU's creds only include:
- 8-1 South Region record.
- 0-1 "result" vs Regionally Ranked teams.
- OWP/OOWP barely at .500.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 03, 2008, 12:20:53 PM
It sure would be nice if they got in.  I don't like the idea of a rematch with HSU in the first round.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 03, 2008, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 03, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:16:05 AM
While I love poking fun as evidenced by the pic above, the term San Anotnio Slaughter is a bit over the top and pretty much uncalled for. Obviously the originator didn't see the same game I did. The score is not indictive of actually how close this game was. As Trinity was driving early in the 4th, looking to get the score within 8 points, I was thinking this was gonna be a long 15 mintues with visions of last years loss fresh in my mind. The interception in the end zone was the KEY play of the game.

Keep in mind this was written by a guy that is paid to hype up the Majors, not an un-biased sportswriter.  It is a little mis-leading though as I agree with your comments about Trinity fighting back in the game.

Just to let everyone know, the previously mentioned right-up was modified, see the release below.  "Slaughter" is no longer in the text.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/110108story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on November 03, 2008, 01:23:47 PM
Anyone else notice how miserable the officiating was in the first half? I sure did! The first half was littered with terrible calls (or lack-there-of). I'm glad someone finally had enough to overcome a very good Trinity team... and the garbage calling the game. Those ref's should be ashamed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fb52 on November 03, 2008, 01:27:40 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 03, 2008, 01:00:36 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 03, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:16:05 AM
While I love poking fun as evidenced by the pic above, the term San Anotnio Slaughter is a bit over the top and pretty much uncalled for. Obviously the originator didn't see the same game I did. The score is not indictive of actually how close this game was. As Trinity was driving early in the 4th, looking to get the score within 8 points, I was thinking this was gonna be a long 15 mintues with visions of last years loss fresh in my mind. The interception in the end zone was the KEY play of the game.

Keep in mind this was written by a guy that is paid to hype up the Majors, not an un-biased sportswriter.  It is a little mis-leading though as I agree with your comments about Trinity fighting back in the game.

Just to let everyone know, the previously mentioned right-up was modified, see the release below.  "Slaughter" is no longer in the text.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/110108story.shtml


The current version was modified not the one that I copied directly off their website Sunday morning. Someone is doing some damage control.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 03, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:16:05 AM
While I love poking fun as evidenced by the pic above, the term San Anotnio Slaughter is a bit over the top and pretty much uncalled for. Obviously the originator didn't see the same game I did. The score is not indictive of actually how close this game was. As Trinity was driving early in the 4th, looking to get the score within 8 points, I was thinking this was gonna be a long 15 mintues with visions of last years loss fresh in my mind. The interception in the end zone was the KEY play of the game.

Keep in mind this was written by a guy that is paid to hype up the Majors, not an un-biased sportswriter.  It is a little mis-leading though as I agree with your comments about Trinity fighting back in the game.

Fully understand that. Mississippi Miricle = Good Taste....San Antonio Slaughter = Not so good. This of course is my opinion. Dead horse, I'm moving on......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Observation Deck on November 03, 2008, 01:55:59 PM
Forcing a game into a nickname = lame.
Actual miraculous finishes = naturals for nicknames.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbunch on November 03, 2008, 01:59:06 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 01:33:30 PM
Fully understand that. Mississippi Miricle = Good Taste....San Antonio Slaughter = Not so good. This of course is my opinion. Dead horse, I'm moving on......

After reading the article for the first time, I simply thought the choice of words had something to do with Halloween just being the day before  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 03, 2008, 06:33:21 PM
Having 1 loss and missing the playoffs would truly suck.  This is one part of D-3 that I'm afraid I'm going to have to get used to.  I guess the options are to schedule a bit tougher non-conf opponents.  But, if you lose one, ala Milsaps losing to Miss. Coll last year, you're potentially out unless you win the conference.  Playing tough early season opponents exposes weaknesses which a team needs.  But you just can't afford a loss.  You just need to suck it up and win the conference to take out any chance of missing it.  Guessing I"m in the camp of scheduling a tough non-conf schedule.  It's the only way you get better.  I'm sure its not as easy as that.  I'm used to Texas 5A high school ball where there are a number of really good teams within a few hours drive.  Much easier to schedule a tough non-conf schedule.

Let's see how the Tigers take care of business these next few weeks and earn the right to a pool C bid.  I have faith. 


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 03, 2008, 06:40:17 PM
Millsaps jumps from 5th to 4th in latest D3football.com poll.   Trinity falls to 16th.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 03, 2008, 06:44:57 PM
Yeah, I think I'm with Ralph on Trinity's case.  It's just not that promising at the moment.

I think a lot of those teams do have much better cases, particularly Hardin-Simmons in the South region.  If I'm a Trinity fan, I'm crossing my fingers for John Carroll to beat Otterbein and for Cal Lutheran to make some noise against Redlands - both in Week 10.  Think those are your best chances and sneaking in.    HSU only has poor little McMurry left on their schedule.  W&J won't lose.  Whitwater won't lose.  Actually, what may give you a better chance is if UW-Stevens Point loses to UW-Eau Claire this weekend, giving the WIAC Pool A back to Whitewater.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 07:39:05 PM
NCAA DIII Stat question:

Stat: Punting

Millsaps punter leads the SCAC with a 40.02 yd avg
Next is AC, TU, BSU then COL. punters.

On the NCAA Stat page for DIII Punting, the Millsaps punter is at 24, then the next SCAC punter listed is the COL. punter, any idea why?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 03, 2008, 08:03:51 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 03, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:16:05 AM
While I love poking fun as evidenced by the pic above, the term San Anotnio Slaughter is a bit over the top and pretty much uncalled for. Obviously the originator didn't see the same game I did. The score is not indictive of actually how close this game was. As Trinity was driving early in the 4th, looking to get the score within 8 points, I was thinking this was gonna be a long 15 mintues with visions of last years loss fresh in my mind. The interception in the end zone was the KEY play of the game.

Keep in mind this was written by a guy that is paid to hype up the Majors, not an un-biased sportswriter.  It is a little mis-leading though as I agree with your comments about Trinity fighting back in the game.

Fully understand that. Mississippi Miricle = Good Taste....San Antonio Slaughter = Not so good. This of course is my opinion. Dead horse, I'm moving on......

My only objection to the term and others like it (River City Beatdown has a certain ring) is that we haven't yet had the occasion to use them after a DPU win over Trinity. One of these days...

The things some people choose to take umbrage to sometimes... really boggles the mind.

Anyway, DPU-Rhodes this week... what's that Rhodes offense looking like these days? They still running a spread? Anybody gotten a look at them this year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 03, 2008, 08:13:02 PM
The Around The Nation Podcast this week spends the first 10 minutes or so talking about the Millsaps at Trinity game, the Millsaps team, and the Pool C chances of Trinity.  This is followed up by talk about other teams around the nation and their chances of getting into the playoffs.  Here's the link:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/11/03/atn-podcast-no-miracles-needed/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2008, 08:13:11 PM
You have to have a minimum number of punts per game to qualify for the national leaders.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:37:42 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 03, 2008, 08:13:11 PM
You have to have a minimum number of punts per game to qualify for the national leaders.

Yep, didn't see that. 3.6 per game......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:42:03 PM

The things some people choose to take umbrage to sometimes... really boggles the mind.

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Don't hurt yourself......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 03, 2008, 08:58:35 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 03, 2008, 08:03:51 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 01:33:30 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 03, 2008, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 03, 2008, 08:16:05 AM
While I love poking fun as evidenced by the pic above, the term San Anotnio Slaughter is a bit over the top and pretty much uncalled for. Obviously the originator didn't see the same game I did. The score is not indictive of actually how close this game was. As Trinity was driving early in the 4th, looking to get the score within 8 points, I was thinking this was gonna be a long 15 mintues with visions of last years loss fresh in my mind. The interception in the end zone was the KEY play of the game.

Keep in mind this was written by a guy that is paid to hype up the Majors, not an un-biased sportswriter.  It is a little mis-leading though as I agree with your comments about Trinity fighting back in the game.

Fully understand that. Mississippi Miricle = Good Taste....San Antonio Slaughter = Not so good. This of course is my opinion. Dead horse, I'm moving on......

My only objection to the term and others like it (River City Beatdown has a certain ring) is that we haven't yet had the occasion to use them after a DPU win over Trinity. One of these days...

The things some people choose to take umbrage to sometimes... really boggles the mind.

Anyway, DPU-Rhodes this week... what's that Rhodes offense looking like these days? They still running a spread? Anybody gotten a look at them this year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 03, 2008, 09:06:49 PM
I've seen Rhodes twice.  They were world beaters against Wash U earlier in the season in the first half and hung on to win.  Against Centre on Saturday they were pitiful in the opening half, and improved in the 2nd.  They outplayed Centre in the final 2 quarters despite only scoring 3 points.  They do run the spread but not very effectively from what I've witnessed.  Defense is better than offense on this team.  The one kid that looked pretty decent to me on offense Saturday was RB - Josh McMurray.  He was good running north-south, following his blocks, and showed a little burst on a couple of runs.  Inconsistency seems to be a trend with this team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 03, 2008, 09:27:07 PM
Quote from: DPULefty22 on November 03, 2008, 08:03:51 PM
what's that Rhodes offense looking like these days? They still running a spread?

You do know we're still in the SCAC, right?  That alone should answer your question.  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 03, 2008, 09:53:08 PM
QuoteYou do know we're still in the SCAC, right?  That alone should answer your question.

Exactly!
Title: ACFA - Week 7 Top 25
Post by: Carl Menist on November 04, 2008, 11:35:30 AM
Week 7 AFCA Poll is released -

Mulenberg drops from #2 to #3 / Wabash moves from #3 to #2
Millsaps up to #6
Mary Hardin Baylor - #7
Hardin Simmons - #11
Wesley - #12
Washington and Jefferson #18
Trinity - #20
Thomas Moore - #23
Salisbury - #25
Huntington - #28
Hampton Sidney - #31
Christpher Newport - #32
La Grange - #36

FYI

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 04, 2008, 03:24:02 PM
I'm surprised at the 12 pt drop of Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2008, 03:27:09 PM
Well, No. 7 shouldn't beat No. 8 by 29 on No. 8's home field. Clearly the AFCA had Trinity a little high and a correction was necessary.

But No. 5 vs. No. 14 on No. 14's home field is a much more accurate framing of that game. That's why our voters kept Trinity in the same neighborhood.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 04, 2008, 03:56:20 PM
I suppose that makes sense.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2008, 03:58:10 PM
It works in this instance. But the AFCA poll tends to drop losing teams heavily regardless of the opponent. That's a major difference between the two polls and it really leads to ours being more accurate.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 04, 2008, 03:58:30 PM
I hate to agree with y'all, but I do now think the AFCA #8 might have been a bit high for Trinity last week ... and (after seeing them) #7 a bit low for the Majors.  This week's D3 rankings of Millsaps at #4 (up from 5) and Trinity at #16 (down from #14) seem about right to me.

Honestly, after seeing Millsaps put together four quarters of strong O and adequate D in San Antonio, I think they have a good chance to beat UMHB this season, especially if they get them to Jackson in round 1 (or two).  Best of luck to the Majors for the rest of their season ... we'll be watching your progress.  The farther you get, the more respect for all in the SCAC.

Still holding out hope for a playoff bid for Trinity ... will be expecting them to bounce back from a tough one and get their business done in the next two weeks.  If they can finish strong, even without a Pool C bid, a 9-1 season would be a success in my book.  More would be a bonus.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 04, 2008, 04:06:23 PM
TigerDad,  I hope Trinity gets in.  UMHB's defense is much better than Trinity's.  I would expect UMHB to put much more pressure on Joseph.  The team speed is also better.  I'm not sure the Millsaps D will be able to shut down the UMHB running game.  It would be a very interesting game to watch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 04, 2008, 04:25:20 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 04, 2008, 03:58:30 PM
I hate to agree with y'all, but I do now think the AFCA #8 might have been a bit high for Trinity last week ... and (after seeing them) #7 a bit low for the Majors.  This week's D3 rankings of Millsaps at #4 (up from 5) and Trinity at #16 (down from #14) seem about right to me.

Honestly, after seeing Millsaps put together four quarters of strong O and adequate D in San Antonio, I think they have a good chance to beat UMHB this season, especially if they get them to Jackson in round 1 (or two).  Best of luck to the Majors for the rest of their season ... we'll be watching your progress.  The farther you get, the more respect for all in the SCAC.

Still holding out hope for a playoff bid for Trinity ... will be expecting them to bounce back from a tough one and get their business done in the next two weeks.  If they can finish strong, even without a Pool C bid, a 9-1 season would be a success in my book.  More would be a bonus.

Your son looked tough and made a great catch when he was in the game.

Nick Namais, a Millsaps senior and #1 running back in summer camp suffered with a knee injury that was agrivated midway through summer camp. He played in several games sparingly prior to the Trinity game and injured ihis already weak knee severely the week of the Trinity game and will not be able to play anymore. His family are good friends and he is a great kid. It breaks your heart to see something like this happen.

Hope your son can get well for a strong finish, maybe into the post season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 04, 2008, 05:40:06 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 04, 2008, 04:06:23 PM
TigerDad,  I hope Trinity gets in.  UMHB's defense is much better than Trinity's.  I would expect UMHB to put much more pressure on Joseph.  The team speed is also better.  I'm not sure the Millsaps D will be able to shut down the UMHB running game.  It would be a very interesting game to watch.

Bill, I think you are basing these comments on the fact you have seen both team play this season, but correct me if I am wrong. 

I am not sure enough credit is being given to the O-line that Millsaps has this year, it could be that Trinity did not put much pressure because these guys are big, strong and can move, not because Trinity's rushers are slow.

I have not seen UMHB play this season, but am sure they are fast.  Remember that Coach Dubose is a defensive minded coach, he spent most of the time that the Millsaps O was on the field last Saturday coaching his defense, not even watching the action on the field.  He will likely have his guys ready.  We can worry about all this later though as Millsaps still has two more games to focus on this season!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 04, 2008, 08:54:49 PM
exmajor,  Trinity's defense isn't anywhere near the UMHB defense.  Trinity put NO pressure on the QB and tried to rush with only their front four.  Millsaps was too good for that type of defense.  Trinity was able to move the ball some against the Millsaps defense, but the INT was a killer.  No one has really talked about the kicking game, but Millsaps had the better of that also.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 04, 2008, 09:11:21 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 04, 2008, 08:54:49 PM
exmajor,  Trinity's defense is anywhere near the UMHB defense.  Trinity put NO pressure on the QB and tried to rush with only their front four.  Millsaps was too good for that type of defense.  Trinity was able to move the ball some against the Millsaps defense, but the INT was a killer.  No one has really talked about the kicking game, but Millsaps had the better of that also.

I'd be willing to talk about that......LOL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 04, 2008, 09:31:22 PM
MajorDad,  sounds like you might have a vested interest in the kicking game!  :D  It was much better than Trinity's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 04, 2008, 10:25:49 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 04, 2008, 05:40:06 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 04, 2008, 04:06:23 PM
TigerDad,  I hope Trinity gets in.  UMHB's defense is much better than Trinity's.  I would expect UMHB to put much more pressure on Joseph.  The team speed is also better.  I'm not sure the Millsaps D will be able to shut down the UMHB running game.  It would be a very interesting game to watch.

Bill, I think you are basing these comments on the fact you have seen both team play this season, but correct me if I am wrong. 

I am not sure enough credit is being given to the O-line that Millsaps has this year, it could be that Trinity did not put much pressure because these guys are big, strong and can move, not because Trinity's rushers are slow.

UMHB is vulnerable this year due to graduation losses and an injury-plagued season, but there is still no comparision to UMHB and Trinity. Trinity has benefitted from a very easy SCAC schedule and two nonconference games against the ASC's two worst teams.

Bill, you would be better to comment on this since you've seen them in person. Trinity has a great program, but they could very easily be a 3-4 loss team this year if they played the same schedule as UMHB, HSU or MS College.

Millsaps is a very talented team, but they will go the entire regular season without a solid test.  I'm sure there are still some national doubts about them due to the schedule and the conference, but after seeing them in the opener I thought they could very well be on par with UMHB this year. In my opinion, they are probably a touchdown favorite now considering UMHB's injuries.

It should be a great game to watch because of the contrasting styles, and UMHB being a physically superior team to anyone Millsaps has faced in the regular season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 04, 2008, 11:36:08 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on November 04, 2008, 10:25:49 PM
UMHB is vulnerable this year due to graduation losses and an injury-plagued season, but there is still no comparision to UMHB and Trinity. Trinity has benefitted from a very easy SCAC schedule and two nonconference games against the ASC's two worst teams.

Chris, I think you misunderstood me.  I did not mean to suggest a comparison between UMHB and Trinity ... that's simply not valid.  There's not near room in this nor the ASC topic to discuss such a case.  The ASC and SCAC are very different conferences with different priorities, student bodies, and schedules. I'm guessing the Roos can attest better than any of us.  No telling how Trinity might fare in the ASC, but that is an unlikely scenario, eh?

My comment was only that this year's Millsaps team is very big, very fast, and very talented ... much like the UMHB team that defeated Trinity in last year's playoffs.  In each game, Trinity hung tough and stayed within reach until the fourth quarter.  When the Tigers ran out of gas, both the Cru and the Majors still had plenty left in the tank and were able to step on the pedal and pull away.

I believe we do agree that, Cru injuries aside (and there have been many this season), Millsaps and UMHB might match up closely this year and make an interesting playoff game, especially if it's in Jackson this time.  Neither team is likely to face much of a challenge until then.

I will hold out hope for events to bring about a Trinity playoff bid and another chance to win a playoff game ... if not this year, then perhaps the next.  Too early to quit rooting for my Tigers in 2007.  Business remains to be done.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 04, 2008, 11:43:49 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 04, 2008, 11:36:08 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on November 04, 2008, 10:25:49 PM
UMHB is vulnerable this year due to graduation losses and an injury-plagued season, but there is still no comparision to UMHB and Trinity. Trinity has benefitted from a very easy SCAC schedule and two nonconference games against the ASC's two worst teams.

Chris, I think you misunderstood me.  I did not mean to suggest a comparison between UMHB and Trinity ... that's simply not valid.  There's not near room in this nor the ASC topic to discuss such a case.  The ASC and SCAC are very different conferences with different priorities, student bodies, and schedules. I'm guessing the Roos can attest better than any of us.  No telling how Trinity might fare in the ASC, but that is an unlikely scenario, eh?

My comment was only that this year's Millsaps team is very big, very fast, and very talented ... much like the UMHB team that defeated Trinity in last year's playoffs.  In each game, Trinity hung tough and stayed within reach until the fourth quarter.  When the Tigers ran out of gas, both the Cru and the Majors still had plenty left in the tank and were able to step on the pedal and pull away.

I believe we do agree that, Cru injuries aside (and there have been many this season), Millsaps and UMHB might match up closely this year and make an interesting playoff game, especially if it's in Jackson this time.  Neither team is likely to face much of a challenge until then.

I will hold out hope for events to bring about a Trinity playoff bid and another chance to win a playoff game ... if not this year, then perhaps the next.  Too early to quit rooting for my Tigers in 2007.  Business remains to be done.

I didn't intend that post to disparage Trinity, they have a great program. But looking over their results this year, it doesn't seem they are as dominant as they have been in previous seasons.

The last 4-5 years it's been UMHB and then everyone else in this part of the country. Millsaps looks like a team this year that is in that same class and could match up with them in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on November 05, 2008, 10:04:29 AM
Is there a reason why BSC, Rhodes, Millsaps, and Austin all get SCAC bye weeks before they play Trinity? Rhodes filled theirs with another team but it must be difficult playing against teams who already don't need any extra motivation to play a top-tier team and also get an extra week to prepare. It is very odd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2008, 10:19:26 AM
Quote from: Chronological Order on November 05, 2008, 10:04:29 AM
Is there a reason why BSC, Rhodes, Millsaps, and Austin all get SCAC bye weeks before they play Trinity? Rhodes filled theirs with another team but it must be difficult playing against teams who already don't need any extra motivation to play a top-tier team and also get an extra week to prepare. It is very odd.
Don't worry.

When Hendrix comes on board for football, they can fill the open date slots in the schedules.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 05, 2008, 11:44:07 AM
Quote from: Chronological Order on November 05, 2008, 10:04:29 AM
Is there a reason why BSC, Rhodes, Millsaps, and Austin all get SCAC bye weeks before they play Trinity? Rhodes filled theirs with another team but it must be difficult playing against teams who already don't need any extra motivation to play a top-tier team and also get an extra week to prepare. It is very odd.

It's not just odd.  It's evidence of a clear conspiracy by the SCAC authorities and member schools to neutralize Trinity's historic dominance of the conference championship and offset TU's long-standing home field advantage with home-cooked officials.  Millsaps was finally able to capitalize on it this year! 

Next year, everyone should get a bye week heading into the Millsaps game.  We demand parity of scheduling!!

;)  (jk)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2008, 01:09:12 PM
Week 9 regional rankings:

1. Millsaps 7-0 8-0 - Pool A
2. Muhlenberg 8-0 8-0 - Pool A
3. Mary Hardin-Baylor 6-0 7-1 - Pool A
4. Hardin-Simmons 8-1 8-1 - Pool C
5. Thomas More 7-1 7-1 - Pool A
6. Huntingdon 7-0 8-0 - Pool B/[C with L but would be lower in ranking]
7. Trinity (Texas) 6-1 7-1 - Pool C
8. Washington and Jefferson 6-1 7-1 - Pool C
9. Catholic 6-1 7-1 - Pool A
10. Wesley 2-1 6-1 - Pool B/C

Huntingdon should get a pool B if they win out - which would make Trinity the 2nd team off the board in the SR for Pool C consideration.   

Wonder if Wesley will march upwards as they get more regional games under their belt. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2008, 01:16:15 PM
They only have one regional game left.

Good to see the NCAA figured out what a regional game was again.  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 05, 2008, 02:15:00 PM
Millsaps will probably need convincing victories over last two teams with a combined 2-13 record to remain on top wouldn't you think? Unless Muhlenberg has a close one like last week.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 05, 2008, 02:27:18 PM
MajorDad--Actually it is a little worse than that.  Only the Colorado game counts in the ranking and they are currently 0-7.

On the other hand, Muhlenberg has 2 more regional games and those teams are a combined 10-7 at this point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 05, 2008, 03:13:17 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 04, 2008, 09:31:22 PM
MajorDad,  sounds like you might have a vested interest in the kicking game!  :D  It was much better than Trinity's.

Yes Bill, my son is the Punter.......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 05, 2008, 03:14:29 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 05, 2008, 02:27:18 PM
MajorDad--Actually it is a little worse than that.  Only the Colorado game counts in the ranking and they are currently 0-7.

On the other hand, Muhlenberg has 2 more regional games and those teams are a combined 10-7 at this point.

I see. Do you think convincing wins, like last year, could seal the deal or will it totally depend on how MUL plays its last two games?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2008, 04:06:36 PM
This is where it would really be helpful to see how close #1 and #2 are in the committee's minds.

Assuming two wins, Muhl's OWP will stay pretty close to where it is, Millsaps' OWP will go down as a .000 gets bundled into the average. 

Millsaps has a win against a regionally ranked opponent, though, and Muhlenberg does not.  That may outweigh the OWP/OOWP discrepancy. 

MoV is not an official criteria.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2008, 04:11:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 05, 2008, 01:16:15 PM
They only have one regional game left.

Good to see the NCAA figured out what a regional game was again.  :-\

Pat, so Wesley will only have four regional games in a ten game schedule?  According to the FAQ, then, they're ineligible for a Pool B or Pool C bid:

Quote from: PlayoffFaqIn order to be considered for selection for Pools B or C, an institution must play at least 50 percent of its competition against Division III in-region opponents.

And why the discrepancy in in-region games between the NCAA (which says three so far)and the schedule page here (which says four) ?  Who's right -- like I have to ask, but if the NCAA doesn't fix it, Wesley doesn't have a chance of a bid ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2008, 04:14:38 PM
I think that the committee/NCAA can make some allowances for a game that is canceled for a hurricane.

However, they are 3-1 in-region with Gallaudet left to play! (The NCAA has given the committee the wrong information on Wesley's in-region record.)

That gives 5 plus the CNU "hurricane-out".

(My log-in on the Daily Dose doesn't work!  ARRGGGGHHHHHH!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 05, 2008, 08:58:17 PM
From the "Around the South" column!!!!

Around the South Top Five

1. Millsaps (8-0, 6-0 SCAC)
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor (7-1, 6-0 ASC)
3. Hardin-Simmons (8-1, 6-1 ASC)
4. Huntingdon (8-0, 6-0 SLIAC)
5. Trinity (7-1, 5-1 SCAC)
On the radar: LaGrange (8-1, 6-0 SLIAC), DePauw (6-2, 4-2 SCAC), Austin (5-4, 3-3 ASC)

Even with the wrong conference affiliation  ;) this is great news!

My Roos are "On the radar"!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 05, 2008, 09:04:58 PM
roocru,  On the radar, but they list them as 3-3 in the ASC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2008, 09:21:58 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 05, 2008, 09:04:58 PM
roocru,  On the radar, but they list them as 3-3 in the ASC.

;D ;D ;D

I think that is why they are 3-3.  They are in the SCAC!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 05, 2008, 10:03:27 PM
QuoteMy Roos are "On the radar"!

well deserved...I was impressed with they way the Roos play...go after it on every play...and seem to have a bit of team speed on D....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 06, 2008, 12:03:08 AM
On one of the other boards, I postulated a mechanism as to how Trinity could make it to Pool C.

IN the final Regional Rankings, the one that is taken by the regional committees after the games on Nov 15th, DePauw has beaten Regionally Ranked Opponent (to use K-Mack's abbreviation--RRO).

This pushes DePauw into the South Region Rankings at 8-2/8-2.  DPU has results against 3 RRO's, i.e., Millsaps, Trinity and Wabash.

This boosts Trinity's results versus RRO's to 1-1.  Trinity is now 9-1.  Trinity and  Millsaps pick-up Wabash's OOWP of 9-0, and DePauw adds 'Bash's OWP of 9-0.

With the other events in the division, Trinity now can sneak in for the 6th Pool B.

Huntingdon/LaGrange Pool B is bussed to Millsaps.  Trinity is bussed to UMHB, and HSU gets a home game in another bracket with a fly-in, or is flown to Southern California.

As I look at the playoffs now, I see three orphans...

HSU -- unless they get a first round rematch with UMHB.

Oxy -- unless they get a first round rematch with Redlands.

Willamette  -- Top seed in the West.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 06, 2008, 07:49:05 AM
roocru,  I'm happy for the Roos.  Hope they finish the season strong.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 06, 2008, 07:52:59 AM
Quote from: roocru on November 05, 2008, 08:58:17 PM
From the "Around the South" column!!!!

Around the South Top Five

1. Millsaps (8-0, 6-0 SCAC)
2. Mary Hardin-Baylor (7-1, 6-0 ASC)
3. Hardin-Simmons (8-1, 6-1 ASC)
4. Huntingdon (8-0, 6-0 SLIAC)
5. Trinity (7-1, 5-1 SCAC)
On the radar: LaGrange (8-1, 6-0 SLIAC), DePauw (6-2, 4-2 SCAC), Austin (5-4, 3-3 ASC)

Even with the wrong conference affiliation  ;) this is great news!

My Roos are "On the radar"!   ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


I got stuck in a time warp back to 2005!  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 09:35:28 AM
Very nice recognition for Juan Joseph making D3 TOW for the 2nd time in 4 weeks. I think he is deserving for both his play and leadership in The game of the year in conference with a lot on the line.

The only beef I have is that he is not doing this solo and this is particularly a week where his Oline deserved the nod IMHO.  I think the Majors Oline had a better day in a bigger game and against a much better team than HSU played.
Hey Pat where's the love for the big guys up front for the Majors?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2008, 10:00:42 AM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on November 06, 2008, 07:49:05 AM
roocru,  I'm happy for the Roos.  Hope they finish the season strong.

But not too strong.  They have to play Trinity in two weeks.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 06, 2008, 10:21:33 AM
I was going to leave a post about Juan Joseph and the TOW recognition (http://www.d3football.com/tow/) and LA Major beat me to the punch. 

As for the Millsaps OL getting a nod, let me just say that we've been down this road before and I don't want a repeat trip.  Every week there are numerous kids who put up great stats in big games--there's absolutely no way to put everyone on a TOW.  Regardless of whether it is totally serious, half-joking, or totally joking, I don't think any team is helped by using this BB as a lobbying tool for TOW honors. 

But I will say this for the Millsaps OL--at the start of the season they were the big question mark for Millsaps and they have really done a great job this season.  I'm sure that fact is not lost on opposing coaches and astute observers of the game.  I don't know if the Millsaps OL was the best in the nation this past week, but I do know that they have been a key to the Millsaps high ranking this season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
Quote from: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 09:35:28 AM
Hey Pat where's the love for the big guys up front for the Majors?

Policy is not to take both OL and QB or RB from the same team unless it is a truly historic (i.e. record-breaking) event.

I won't get into the full decisions on the Team of the Week on this board, but suffice to say Joseph was a far superior choice among the nominated QBs than the OL was among the nominated OLs.

And I can't say I'm surprised that even in a week when Millsaps people get what they've been crying for -- recognition for Juan Joseph -- there's still griping about the Team of the Week.

Priceless.

Thanks, Frank, for being a voice of reason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 06, 2008, 10:55:44 AM
As a former O-lineman and O-line coach...  we're used to it.  ;)

The pretty boys get the props, we just slug it out each week and allow their faces to stay pretty.   This is the way it has alway been. 

JJ was the correct choice. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 01:56:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
Quote from: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 09:35:28 AM
Hey Pat where's the love for the big guys up front for the Majors?

Policy is not to take both OL and QB or RB from the same team unless it is a truly historic (i.e. record-breaking) event.

I won't get into the full decisions on the Team of the Week on this board, but suffice to say Joseph was a far superior choice among the nominated QBs than the OL was among the nominated OLs.

And I can't say I'm surprised that even in a week when Millsaps people get what they've been crying for -- recognition for Juan Joseph -- there's still griping about the Team of the Week.

Priceless.

Thanks, Frank, for being a voice of reason.

Pat
I think my post was respectful to you with no gripping but curious about the process. I think your response is petty and disrespectful. I refer you to review my posts in the past to see that I am not ever out of line with anything I comment on and also to your quote that appears at the bottom of every post you make. I think that is solid advice and is something that we all should follow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 06, 2008, 02:20:33 PM
Quote from: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 01:56:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
Quote from: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 09:35:28 AM
Hey Pat where's the love for the big guys up front for the Majors?

Policy is not to take both OL and QB or RB from the same team unless it is a truly historic (i.e. record-breaking) event.

I won't get into the full decisions on the Team of the Week on this board, but suffice to say Joseph was a far superior choice among the nominated QBs than the OL was among the nominated OLs.

And I can't say I'm surprised that even in a week when Millsaps people get what they've been crying for -- recognition for Juan Joseph -- there's still griping about the Team of the Week.

Priceless.

Thanks, Frank, for being a voice of reason.

Pat
I think my post was respectful to you with no gripping but curious about the process. I think your response is petty and disrespectful. I refer you to review my posts in the past to see that I am not ever out of line with anything I comment on and also to your quote that appears at the bottom of every post you make. I think that is solid advice and is something that we all should follow.

Don't worry LA, that is just Pat.  He does a great job with this site and from what I can tell reads through all the boards and keeps up with everyone.  Given he has a day job as well, I imagine he does not have time to carefully read through every post and just says what is on his mind at the time and moves on.  I am sure a lot of people on these boards (bias or not) give some grief when their players or teams or not picked and they feel like they deserve it.

I agree the O-line played extremely well last weekend, I watched them closely as a former center and your post was fine, I am just saying Pat hears it a lot I am sure plus everyone gets frustrated from time to time.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 02:34:56 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 06, 2008, 02:20:33 PM
Quote from: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 01:56:15 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 06, 2008, 10:33:35 AM
Quote from: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 09:35:28 AM
Hey Pat where's the love for the big guys up front for the Majors?

Policy is not to take both OL and QB or RB from the same team unless it is a truly historic (i.e. record-breaking) event.

I won't get into the full decisions on the Team of the Week on this board, but suffice to say Joseph was a far superior choice among the nominated QBs than the OL was among the nominated OLs.

And I can't say I'm surprised that even in a week when Millsaps people get what they've been crying for -- recognition for Juan Joseph -- there's still griping about the Team of the Week.

Priceless.

Thanks, Frank, for being a voice of reason.

Pat
I think my post was respectful to you with no gripping but curious about the process. I think your response is petty and disrespectful. I refer you to review my posts in the past to see that I am not ever out of line with anything I comment on and also to your quote that appears at the bottom of every post you make. I think that is solid advice and is something that we all should follow.

Don't worry LA, that is just Pat.  He does a great job with this site and from what I can tell reads through all the boards and keeps up with everyone.  Given he has a day job as well, I imagine he does not have time to carefully read through every post and just says what is on his mind at the time and moves on.  I am sure a lot of people on these boards (bias or not) give some grief when their players or teams or not picked and they feel like they deserve it.

I agree the O-line played extremely well last weekend, I watched them closely as a former center and your post was fine, I am just saying Pat hears it a lot I am sure plus everyone gets frustrated from time to time.  ;D
Thanks ex. I did not wish to offend Pat with my first post on the subject. I do appreciate D3 Football.com   with Pat and his staff providing us all with good information regarding a subject we are all impassioned by. I don't want to add to any frustration. This is just for fun and enjoyment for me as a fan of Millsaps, the SCAC and D3 football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 06, 2008, 06:04:35 PM
Quote from: LA Major on November 06, 2008, 09:35:28 AM
Very nice recognition for Juan Joseph making D3 TOW for the 2nd time in 4 weeks. I think he is deserving for both his play and leadership in The game of the year in conference with a lot on the line.

The only beef I have is that he is not doing this solo and this is particularly a week where his Oline deserved the nod IMHO.  I think the Majors Oline had a better day in a bigger game and against a much better team than HSU played.
Hey Pat where's the love for the big guys up front for the Majors?

Let's keep in mind that the only SCAC complaints about players not making the TOW have come from Millsaps (see the posts starting on page 341 from October 1).  Adding in the context of the posts from 5 weeks ago, I thought Pat's response was restrained--or at least more restrained than I could have been.  I take it from Pat's response that the Millsaps OL was nominated for the award and that is a nice honor in itself.

On another subject, the Millsaps Coaches show is on tonight.  At 6 o'clock Central they will have a repeat of last week's show and at 7 they will have this weeks show with guests including:  Mike DuBose, Marcus Woodson, David Johnson, Marcus Harris, Eric McCarty and Burt Pereira.  The link is:

http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm

Also, be sure you read this excellent story on Millsaps by Keith McMillan:

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2008-11-06/It%27s+no+miracle+Millsaps+is+here
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2008, 09:46:47 AM
For our DPU friends ... there is a Monon Bell thread (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6058.msg972658#new) up over on the General Football topic.

Been quiet ... let's look at this week's games:

Millsaps gets CoCo at home, and hopefully they keep the margin of victory under 100.   Last year, the Majors made the long trip to the mountains and defeated a much more competitive CC team 68-6.   I worry a little about Millsaps ending their season with two teams that are so uncompetitive - while it should provide plenty of opportunities for the starters to rest (or injuries to heal), it's not the best prep for what should be a much better level of opponent come the playoff season.   Then again, from what we've seen from Millsaps this year, it probably shouldn't be a problem.

Trinity travels to Danville to face a Centre squad that has won four of five and given Millsaps its "closest" game of the season (a 46-26 victory).   This could be a tighter game than most people might think, especially if there is a hangover from the crushing blow delivered by Millsaps last week.   The Colonels would like nothing better than to ensure the SCAC continues its history of never having had a Pool C team selected.

Rhodes visits DePauw and as usual the question will be can the stout Lynx defense get enough turnovers for the anemic Lynx offense.  DPU will be looking towards Wabash next week but you'd think they'll win this one by a couple of TDs.

Sewanee at BSC - Sewanee has been hard to figure out.  They only lost to Millsaps by 3 TDs but if I remember a lot of their points came late against the Majors' 2nd unit.  I watched them play earlier this year and the offense struggled.   BSC defeated CC for their only D3 win so far.  I guess I'd go with the home team.

Austin has a week off before making the trip down I-35 next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2008, 11:14:08 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2008, 09:46:47 AM
Rhodes visits DePauw and as usual the question will be can the stout Lynx defense get enough turnovers for the anemic Lynx offense.  DPU will be looking towards Wabash next week but you'd think they'll win this one by a couple of TDs.

You'd like to think, Ron.  But, we also thought that they'd steamroll BSC after the Millsaps debacle.  We also thought that Colorado's terrible offense couldn't do anything.  Suffice it to say, I'm nervous about it this week.  Always a tough game for DePauw in Week 9 with Monon on the horizon.  RHIT used to give them fits in this game all the time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2008, 11:14:37 AM
BSC is debuting their new football facility this weekend, which you can see here:

http://www.bsc.edu/panther_stadium/index.html

Looks like they've done a good job; I especially like the hills at one end zone where you can spread out on a blanket, bring a picnic basket, and enjoy the game and the outdoors.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2008, 11:21:25 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2008, 11:14:37 AM
I especially like the hills at one end zone where you can spread out on a blanket, bring a picnic basket, and enjoy the game and the outdoors.  

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fthreio.com%2Fblogphotos%2FYogiBear.jpg&hash=019ddf3f9f6c81c1b5079a1da831ab02524b18ac)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 07, 2008, 11:53:41 AM
QuoteBSC is debuting their new football facility this weekend, which you can see here:

Thanks for the link to the pics...looks like BSC did a very nice job.  Actually enjoyed playing at Region's Park last season...but obviously the on campus site will be a big plus for them...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on November 07, 2008, 11:57:15 AM
MajorDad, just curious does your son play another position or just punt?  What is normal for DIII?   Does the avg/punt/game go up at the end of the year, to be on the NCAA list?  Looks like the other schools need to punt more HAHA.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 07, 2008, 01:50:06 PM
Quote from: FBCleatus on November 07, 2008, 11:57:15 AM
MajorDad, just curious does your son play another position or just punt?  What is normal for DIII?   Does the avg/punt/game go up at the end of the year, to be on the NCAA list?  Looks like the other schools need to punt more HAHA.

Thats all he does. If you look at the NCAA DIII stats on punting, you'll see all kinds of positions that punt, crazy I tell ya. I don't know if the punts/game avg goes up or not. I don't remember if it was 3.6 since the stats started this year or not.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 07, 2008, 04:14:38 PM
I couldn't quite tell from the photos, but is that field turf at the BSC stadium?

Overall, it looks good.  Nice looking scoreboard.  I have to say I'm a little surprised that the stands are not bigger, but overall it's a nice looking setup.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2008, 04:49:41 PM
Quote from: jekelish on November 07, 2008, 04:14:38 PM
I couldn't quite tell from the photos, but is that field turf at the BSC stadium?

Overall, it looks good.  Nice looking scoreboard.  I have to say I'm a little surprised that the stands are not bigger, but overall it's a nice looking setup.

From this drawing (http://www.bscsports.net/Pdfs/football/2007/1/2/athletic_complex1.pdf) and this article (http://www.bscsports.net/Sports/football/2007/new%20athletic%20complex.asp), it is a "state of the art artificial turf" which usually means FieldTurf.

According the drawing there will be an add-on phase to put in visitor stands - but as far as they are from anyone they shouldn't need much in that regard. They've been averaging 1500 +/- per game with the largest crowd being 2500 in the game they lost to LaGrange 34-31 - LaGrange scored with 23 seconds left to come from behind.  LaGrange is now 8-0 against D3 competition but not regionally ranked.   Of course, having a field on-campus should encourage more of the school's 1400 students to attend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 07, 2008, 09:04:43 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 07, 2008, 11:14:08 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2008, 09:46:47 AM
Rhodes visits DePauw and as usual the question will be can the stout Lynx defense get enough turnovers for the anemic Lynx offense.  DPU will be looking towards Wabash next week but you'd think they'll win this one by a couple of TDs.

You'd like to think, Ron.  But, we also thought that they'd steamroll BSC after the Millsaps debacle.  We also thought that Colorado's terrible offense couldn't do anything.  Suffice it to say, I'm nervous about it this week.  Always a tough game for DePauw in Week 9 with Monon on the horizon.  RHIT used to give them fits in this game all the time. 

Saw both teams the past two weekends and I expext DPU to win this one. Ron mentioned turnovers as a factor and I would add penalties. To me one of the pleasant surprises last week in the DPU/AC game was the lack of turnovers by two turnover prone teams. I'd like to think it was a sign of two good teams doing eveything they could to give themselves an advantage in that match up.

On the other hand I think fewer DPU penalties would have made it much harder for the Roos to stay close {though as always one's opinion of the officiating may vary depending on their "perspective" last Saturday}.

In stopping the Roos on three different 1st and goal possessions DPU certainly showed they will be able to handle Rhodes offense. And of course Rhodes defense is very physical but I feel the DPU passing attack will more than compensate.

I'd say DPU 24 - Rhodes 7, for whatever it's worth. But good luck to both! And expect a battle...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 09:37:00 AM
I just wanted to give a shout out to all my PEEPS in Jackson this weekend hangin out at the CABOT. Toss one back for me guys................poke...poke....Hey Johnny, wake UP!!!!!!!

I foresee the Major Pain Train being introduced in Jackson SAT @ 1PM.     GO MAJORS!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2008, 09:45:48 AM
Wes, I think your analysis is pretty accurate. Rhodes is really one-dimensional. If DPU doesn't turn it over on their side of the field, I'd say 34-7 in favor of the home squad today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 02:06:41 PM
Trinity finally gets on the board early in the second.  Bryant Wilson caps a 8 1/2 minute 17-play, 90 yard drive with a 4-yard pass to Riley Curry to put the visitors up 7-0.   

DePauw is having their way with Rhodes, up 21-6 at the half as the Lynx have been held to 81 yards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 02:19:13 PM
Can't get the Millsaps video feed going and no live stats apparently.    BSC-Sewanee live stats say the game hasn't started yet (should have started at 1pm EST per their web site, but d3scoreboard says 2:30 EST). 

Trinity is keeping it on the ground against Centre, Chris Baer rips off a 61-yard effort but is stopped for no gain on third down inside the ten.  A 27=yard Licalzi effort makes it 10-0 with 5:53 to play in the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 08, 2008, 02:24:20 PM
The Millsaps live video is working for me, Millsaps up 7-0 late in 1st quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2008, 02:24:28 PM
Appreciate the updates Ron on Trinity-Centre and Rhodes-DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 02:33:05 PM
7-0 Millsaps end of 1st qtr. COL has been moving the ball pretty well on the ground but hasnt been able to get it in the Millsaps red zone. Majors took their only drive 99yds for a score.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 02:33:59 PM
COL intercepts Joseph at the Millsaps 20yd line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 02:34:48 PM
Centre gets on the board after a short Trinity kick, getting a halfback pass from Johnathan Pinque for their longest gain of the day (23 yds).  Pinque scores several plays later from 2 yards out, but the PAT is missed.  Trinity 10, Centre 6 - then Trinity fumbles the kickoff with 0:04 left, Tyler Osterman finds Pinque from 32 yards out, and just that fast Centre's up 13-10 after the PAT.  

Depauw's Paul Gbur gets an interception in the endzone on Rhodes' first drive of the second half to keep the lead 21-6.    Four plays later Spud Dick connects with Alex Koors for 61 yards and it's 28-6 DPU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 02:38:36 PM
COL is denied in the Millsaps red zone. Flied goal attempt is blocked....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 08, 2008, 02:38:45 PM
Millsaps blocks a field goal from the 5 yard line on 4th and 2, get ball back leading 7-0.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 02:43:17 PM
BSC gets on the board first, a 25-yd Raymond Josof field goal, to lead Sewanee 3-0. 

Rhodes converts on a fake punt inside their own 30 but ends up punting four plays later.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 08, 2008, 02:43:37 PM
Millsaps does not take long, scores on a nice screen play, now 14-0 Majors with 8:42 in half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 02:49:46 PM
Millsaps blocks COL punt, rolls through end zone for safety 16-0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 02:51:03 PM
Millsaps returns kick off for TD but comes back with block in the back.......sounds familiar
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 02:53:38 PM
Sewanee fumbles the kick, BSC recovers.  QB Joe Thigpen scores from two yards out to extend the BSC lead to 10-0, Sewanee three-and-out and BSC takes over near midfield.

Second half about to get underway in Danville, Centre will receive the kick.

DPU's next drive sputters, Rhodes gets the ball back, converts their second fourth down, but still 28-6 as the third quarter draws to a close.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 02:58:37 PM
Millsaps scores another with a 20yd run 23-0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 08, 2008, 03:00:29 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 02:58:37 PM
Millsaps scores another with a 20yd run 23-0

It was a fourth and one run out of the wishbone, with some strong and nifty running.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 03:02:05 PM
I especially liked put the guard iin the back field to open a hole
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 03:04:11 PM
Centre gets to the Trinity 21 on their opening drive but Johnathan Pinque (whose 107 yards receiving/running + 23 yds passing accounts for 80% of CC's offense) fumbles and TU recovers.  

DPU's Valdiserri intercepts Matt Ungashick on the DPU 4, stil 28-6 as the fourth quarter gets underway.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 03:04:45 PM
Nice 4th down play from COL, picks up 35 yds down into Millsaps 25-30 yd line
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 03:08:22 PM
Trinity drives to the Centre 10, Chris Baer fumbles and Centre gets it back. 

Sewanee still trails 10-0, as the second quarter begins have -2 yards total offense, punts and BSC's David Langston returns it 44 yards to extend the lead to 17-0.

Tyler Osterman completes deep passes to Rob Pope and Kyle Saylor, Pinque finishes it off with a 1-yard plunge, Centre now up 20-10 midway through the third.  At this rate we're not going to be worrying about a pool C bid for the SCAC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 03:09:31 PM
Ron is Chris playing full time?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 03:11:11 PM
Half time finds Majors up 23-0.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 03:12:33 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 03:09:31 PM
Ron is Chris playing full time?

Yep, 24 carries for 128 (including a ten yard loss on the last, wonder if it was a pitch that went bad).    Trinity starts at midfield on their next drive.

BSC scores again, a one play, 69 yard drive which saw Thigpen find Dion Watts, BSC 23, Sewanee 0 with 11:59 left in the second quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2008, 03:17:08 PM
Surprised with the Trinity-Centre game midway through the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 03:21:59 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2008, 03:17:08 PM
Surprised with the Trinity-Centre game midway through the 3rd quarter.

Not alone there ... and Trinity turns it over on downs at the Centre 30.  Osterman is having success deep (12-14-187, 1 TD, 0 INT), Centre already in Trinity territory.

Adam Hawkins is the latest DPU defender to turn away Rhodes with an int in the end zone.  6:08 to play there, still 28-6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 03:23:41 PM
What is the Tinity score....?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 03:28:38 PM
Kendrall Ellison returns an errant Michael Engel pass ten yards, converson fails, DPU 28 Rhodes 12 with time running down.

Centre goes for it on fourth down from the Trinity 39, Kyle Coats picks it off at the six (should have dropped it!), Trinity still trails 20-10 with a couple of minutes left in the third quarter.  Sack and two incomplete passes force Trinity to punt, Centre will start at the TU 44.

Trinity holds.  Osterman apparently quick kicks on 4th down, TU will take over at their 10.  14:04 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 03:37:51 PM
Millsaps takes 2nd half kick off, 3 plays TD pass from Joseph, 30-0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 03:38:41 PM
Third and one at the TU 42  ... Baer for no gain.

Fourth and one at the TU 42 ... Baer for 14, first down.

1st/10 from CC 44 ... Wilson for 11, first down.

1st/10 from CC 33 .. Baer for 15, first down.

1st/10 from CC 18 .. Baer for 2.

2nd/8 from CC 16 .. Wilson for 13, first down.

1st/10 from CC 3 ... Baer for 3, touchdown.  9:55 to play.  PAT good.

Centre 20, Trinity 17.

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DPU 28, Rhodes 12, final.  Spud Dick:  32-38-0 318 yds, 2 TD.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 03:45:06 PM
Centre will start at their own 30.

1/10 from CC 30:  Pinque for 14, first down.
1/10 from CC 44:  Osterman to Aaron Hay for 56 yds, touchdown.  9:17 to play.

Centre 26, Trinity 17, 9:17 to play.  PAT blocked.

Osterman:  13-17-1 243 yds, 2 TDs.

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BSC scores on the last play of the first half, now BSC 30, Sewanee 0. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2008, 03:48:05 PM
Tyler Osterman is having a nice game passing the ball. Lots of time left Centre leads 26-17. Wow!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 03:49:50 PM
Trinity will start on their 27.

1/10 from TU 27:  Wilson to Shawn Thompson, 18 yds, first down,
1/10 from TU 45:  QB change!  Johnny Landino, incomplete to Coleman.
2/10 from TU 45:  Wilson back in, incomplete.
3/10 from TU 45:  Wilson incomplete to Urban.  Here's the season:
4/10 from TU 45:  Punt (?!!?) to Centre 22.  8:10 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 03:50:11 PM
COL get s on the board with a fumbled punt return. Misses PAT 30-6
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 03:54:27 PM
Centre starts at their 22.

1/10 @ CC 22:  Osterman to Hinkel for six.
2/4 @ CC 28: Pinque for -4, personal foul CC (12 yds).
3/20 @ CC 12: Osterman to Howell for eight.
4/12 @ CC 20:  Collett 54 yd punt to Trinity 26.

Trinity starts at their 26, 6:01 to play.

1/10 @ TU 26:  Wilson to Urban for 15, out-of-bounds, first down.
1/10 @ TU 41:  Wilson 6 yd run, out-of-bounds, personal foul CC (15 yds), first down.
1/10 @ CC 38:  Baer 14 yd run, first down.
1/10 @ CC 24:  Wilson to Thompson, incomplete.
2/10 @ CC 24:  Wilson to Thompson, incomplete.
3/10 @ CC 24:  Wilson to Robinson, incomplete.
4/10 @ CC 24:  Wilson to Thompson, incomplete.  4:55 remaining.

Sigh. 

Congrats to Centre.

Up to you, Millsaps.  Represent. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 04:01:24 PM
Millsaps move up 37-6 after punt return for TD
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 04:11:59 PM
Millsasps still scoring, play after blocked punt 43-6 PAT missed
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 04:12:59 PM
Zack Sloan puts the final nail in TU's playoff chances, intercepting Wilson at the Centre 35.  2:35 left and Trinity has no timeouts remaining.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 04:19:24 PM
Millsaps scores with 2nd string......50-6
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2008, 04:21:03 PM
This is a nice win for Centre; obviously it finishes Trinity's hopes for the post-season.  The Colonels have a nice 1-2 freshman combo in Osterman & Pinque.  Congratulations Coach Frye.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 08, 2008, 04:28:32 PM
Quite a disappointing loss for TU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 04:31:05 PM
Final in Jackson........50-6
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 08, 2008, 04:28:32 PM
Quite a disappointing loss for TU.  Went to KY with a severe hangover and didn't get it done. 

They dominated the first half - except the final 90 seconds and things went downhill from there.   Actually outgained Centre 470-379 but lost the turnover battle.    

When you roll up nearly 500 yards there should be more than 17 points on the board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 08, 2008, 05:05:45 PM
Major Dad, how did the 2nd half go besides what I can see from the score.  I had to step out.  Any big injuries?  How long to the starters play in the 2nd half?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 05:14:08 PM
Congratulations to Centre but there's no joy from this Millsaps fan that Trinity lost.  From a Millsaps perspective, it was better for Trinity to stay as a ranked team.  From an SCAC perspective, I would have like seeing two teams get into the NCAA Playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 05:29:20 PM
Here's a link to the Millsaps-Colorado box score.  It's a rarity to see Millsaps with more rushing yards than passing.  Joseph was 20 of 25 for 222 yards and 3 TD's, and Millsaps rushed 27 times for 227 yards.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-09.HTM
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 05:38:14 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 08, 2008, 05:05:45 PM
Major Dad, how did the 2nd half go besides what I can see from the score.  I had to step out.  Any big injuries?  How long to the starters play in the 2nd half?

exmajor, we started substituting mid way through the 3rd qtr. We continued to score, no injuries. We knelt on the ball at the COL 5yd line to end the game.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 05:29:20 PM
Here's a link to the Millsaps-Colorado box score.  It's a rarity to see Millsaps with more rushing yards than passing.  Joseph was 20 of 25 for 222 yards and 3 TD's, and Millsaps rushed 27 times for 227 yards.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-09.HTM

Wow, thats a first......Yes our OWP took a hit with the Trinity loss. I too would have liked them to have won in that respect. South region had # 7,8 and 9 lose today.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 05:29:20 PM
Here's a link to the Millsaps-Colorado box score.  It's a rarity to see Millsaps with more rushing yards than passing.  Joseph was 20 of 25 for 222 yards and 3 TD's, and Millsaps rushed 27 times for 227 yards.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-09.HTM

Wow, thats a first......Yes our OWP took a hit with the Trinity loss. I too would have liked them to have won in that respect. South region had # 7,8 and 9 lose today.....
I believe that the OWP is a wash because Centre, your conference opponent, won.

McMurry's and TLU's OWP's took a hit and in turn, UMHB's and HSU's OOWP took a hit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 05:52:22 PM
Yeah thats true. Surprised at the Huntingdon loss.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 06:26:52 PM
BSC may be putting it together, tho'.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 08:41:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 05:29:20 PM
Here's a link to the Millsaps-Colorado box score.  It's a rarity to see Millsaps with more rushing yards than passing.  Joseph was 20 of 25 for 222 yards and 3 TD's, and Millsaps rushed 27 times for 227 yards.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-09.HTM

Wow, thats a first......Yes our OWP took a hit with the Trinity loss. I too would have liked them to have won in that respect. South region had # 7,8 and 9 lose today.....
I believe that the OWP is a wash because Centre, your conference opponent, won.

McMurry's and TLU's OWP's took a hit and in turn, UMHB's and HSU's OOWP took a hit.

Here's where I'm a little shaky on the selection process.  I thought it was a plus to have a win over a regionally ranked opponent.  I'm not sure that Millsaps will have a win over a regionally ranked opponent after the Trinity loss at Centre.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 08:53:24 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 08:41:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 05:42:20 PM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 08, 2008, 05:39:57 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 05:29:20 PM
Here's a link to the Millsaps-Colorado box score.  It's a rarity to see Millsaps with more rushing yards than passing.  Joseph was 20 of 25 for 222 yards and 3 TD's, and Millsaps rushed 27 times for 227 yards.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-09.HTM

Wow, thats a first......Yes our OWP took a hit with the Trinity loss. I too would have liked them to have won in that respect. South region had # 7,8 and 9 lose today.....
I believe that the OWP is a wash because Centre, your conference opponent, won.

McMurry's and TLU's OWP's took a hit and in turn, UMHB's and HSU's OOWP took a hit.

Here's where I'm a little shaky on the selection process.  I thought it was a plus to have a win over a regionally ranked opponent.  I'm not sure that Millsaps will have a win over a regionally ranked opponent after the Trinity loss at Centre.
Yes, Trinity may fall out of the Regional rankings.

That makes me think that Millsaps may fall to #2 in South behind Muhlenberg and then would catch the (#7) Huntingdon/LaGrange Pool B.

I think that Millsaps was Northwestern MN to lose to St Thomas next Saturday in the Pool B process.

I dread that HSU may go to UMHB in the first round.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: georgiahokie on November 08, 2008, 09:10:28 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 06:26:52 PM
BSC may be putting it together, tho'.
Congratulations on a great opening to BSC's new stadium.  I've got no affiliation to the school but went over to check out the game and was really impressed with the pre-game atmosphere and facilities.  Nice job BSC!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 09:18:13 PM
Welcome hokie!

Always glad to have new posters on the board!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 08, 2008, 09:49:07 PM
Got my first (and only) live look at the Old Gold this afternoon.  Got THIS Saturday off - of course - can't get next week.   >:( >:( >:(

I tell you, as good as Spud Dick is as a a passer - and I do think he's really great - I think the the majority of the credit for his success must go to O.C. Dustin Ward.  Spud was 32-38 throwing the football today.  Of those 32 completions, I'd say that no more than 6 or 7 were throws of more than 10 yards.  Lots of curls and slants and digs making for some very, very easy throws.  Even the big plays were short throws and some good downfield blocking.  Yeah, they threw a couple of fades, but not many.  Spud is just so darned patient and incredibly accurate with those short throws.  He just doesn't make mistakes because he doesn't have a lot of hard throws to make in this system.  Excellent route combinations make for safe, catchable throws.  Frankly, they made it look like a 7 on 7 drill today against a VERY good Rhodes D.

They'll need that next week.  Have to dink and dunk you're way down the field, I believe.  Ball control offense is the best defense against the LG's.

Also, thought the defense played very well today, but I don't know exactly how much of that was the 11 in the black jerseys and/or how much of that was just down right ineptness by the Lynx offense.  That group just isn't very good.  Missed blocks, inaccurate throws, drops, turnovers.  Not pretty.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 09, 2008, 12:16:07 AM
Austin College names new President -

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1700&ItemID=6318
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 09, 2008, 01:23:42 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2008, 04:34:47 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 08, 2008, 04:28:32 PM
Quite a disappointing loss for TU.  Went to KY with a severe hangover and didn't get it done. 

They dominated the first half - except the final 90 seconds and things went downhill from there.   Actually outgained Centre 470-379 but lost the turnover battle.    

When you roll up nearly 500 yards there should be more than 17 points on the board.

Maybe I misspoke?  I forgot about the time difference and joined the internet broadcast at halftime.  Sure seemed like a game TU could have won.  But, we just couldn't shut down the Centre passes.  There was that one series where the TU D-line had two tackles for loss' and then a third and forever pass connects.  Interception on a 4th down pass that ended up working out better than a punt.  Seems like TU looked like we were going to take it at the end, but then missed tackles and we're looking at a 60 or 70 yard TD insurance run for Centre.  Centre made the plays they needed to. 

I've only watched two webcasts of TU games.  Last years Rhodes loss and todays game.  From here on out, I'd like to suggest that I be banned from using the internet on any more away games.  But, I have to admit, overhearing the TU coaches color commentary was pretty good. 

One more home game, time to start that streak going again.  Then it's plan for next year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 09, 2008, 09:30:08 AM
I just saw that the De Pauw/Wabash game will be on TV on the HDNet.....Anyone else see this....?

http://www.hd.net/program_search_results.html?keyword=football&whattosearch=both&ws=1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 09, 2008, 10:08:36 AM
MajorDad,

Wes probably knows how far back this goes, but HDNet has broadcast this game for a few years now, and cities across the country (even before HDNet) have Monon Bell parties with a satellite feed of the game.  It is quite the experience. 

The broadcast is pretty well done, with segments including profiles of both schools and "Monon Memories" of highlights of past games.  They also sell DVD's of the games a few weeks later - I know they are available from 2001 - 2007 (at least those are the ones I have).

Good stuff all around. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 09, 2008, 12:59:50 PM
I think this is only year #4 for HDNet.  They weren't there in '04, but I believe they were in '05.  Previous to that, the game was almost always on Channel 40 out of Indianapolis.  Usually featured Jerry Baker, who was the TV voice of the Pacers at the time. 

They're affiliated with LeSea Broadcasting, a Christian programming network.  I always watched it because they show a bunch of cool old TV shows during the afternoons.  Kind of like getting TV Land with an antenna.  Plenty of Bonanza, Gunsmoke, Little House on the Prarie and the like.  I always watched it for the in the afternoon of McHale's Navy and Hogan's Heroes.  That Colonel Klink, he's a riot.

But, they also do high school football and basketball every weekend and occassionally some Indianapolis Indians games (Pirates AAA). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 09, 2008, 01:30:22 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2008, 05:14:08 PM
Congratulations to Centre but there's no joy from this Millsaps fan that Trinity lost.  From a Millsaps perspective, it was better for Trinity to stay as a ranked team.  From an SCAC perspective, I would have like seeing two teams get into the NCAA Playoffs.

Frank, you're one of the "big picture" guys we learn from on the boards and as you know I am new at this stuff so here is my question. Can a win by a "second tier" team over a top team perhaps "help" the SCAC from a strength of conference perspective or is it neccessarily a negative? AND, from a "best for the conference" point of view, would a win this weekend by Trinity be better for the SCAC, or could a Roos' win also indicate an overall gain in strength by the conference? - Obviously no one will give the Roos a chance this weekend but you know my bias.

To a "youngster" like me it would seem that some measure of parity might be a positive sign. (I admit I have not studied other conference standings for reference...)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 09, 2008, 02:33:43 PM
By the way, with no AC game this weekend I took time to listen to the archived broadcast of the DPU/AC game through the DPU sports website. It's kinda interesting to hear someone else's description of something you have seen yourself. A quality broadcast, the guys are easy to listen to - though as a Roos fan I had seen a few things a little differently during the game.

But I would correct one inaccuracy that was repeatedly stated throughout the broadcast. A/C was not trying for the 1st winning season in their history. My understanding is that there is a long list of conference championships and national playoff apperances through their 100+ years in various levels and conferences. Most likely the guys meant something else but I wouldn't want DPU fans to be misinformed. - Perhaps one of the more tenured Roos posters could help here if this even matters.

We've missed having the Roos' webcasts this year. In a way I guess getting to hear the game again later is like a fan's "game film" for during the week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 09, 2008, 03:03:01 PM
You can find some information on AC football history at the following link;

http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?1360

AC left the NAIA and joined D3 in 1996.  We tied for the NAIA national title in 1981.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just_that_kid on November 09, 2008, 03:05:15 PM
Guess that Millsaps loss really deflated Trinty. Tough break. Hopefully they'll rebound next year. Congrats to Centre though.

Anyway, so with the south shaping up this way, who will Millsaps likely get in the first round or two? Any thoughts? Ideas?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 09, 2008, 03:19:17 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 08, 2008, 06:26:52 PM
BSC may be putting it together, tho'.

Was at the BSC-Sewanee game yesterday - was there mostly for the halftime big show where our tennis player was in the homecoming court!  Wow!  I'm getting to know the full SCAC better and better!  (Son went to Rhodes.)

What I saw was an improving BSC team.  It does appear that they are beginning to mature as a group, and with foiur seniors, they won't be losing much unless they have another major exodus similar to last year's.  They were running an offense that looked similar to the Ole Miss offense (without the "Wild Rebel" thrown in unless I missed it in the second half).  Lots of motion involving wide receivers taking handoffs, misdirection, counters, options.  Thigpen looked good at QB, as did Arrington and Langston at RB.  Langston also had some nice kick returns despite the blustery day.  ALSO watch out for the bit of shenanigans between the QB and coach distracting from the direct snap to RB - that was funny!

I don't know if it was just the wind or if the stadium construction had something to do with it, but the wind did some VERY interesting things to the ball on kicks and punts.

Congratulations to the BSC program on the opening of the new stadium - fine facility and great opening day!  Will look forward to the broadcast of next week's game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 09, 2008, 05:23:03 PM
rooski--I'm still learning a lot of this stuff and quite often have to be corrected by the true gurus of the message board.  I was under the opinion that it helps to have a win over a regionally ranked team.  Someone with more knowledge than I recently had a post that it would help Trinity if DePauw beat Wabash and then DePauw got regionally ranked--that would move Trinity to 1-1 against regionally ranked teams instead of 0-1.

If that is a plus, then I think as a Millsaps fan I would have to pull for DePauw to win and Trinity to win and hopefully both would get into the regional rankings.  As for what would be best for the SCAC in general, I don't know.  As for what would be best for your Roos, I think that answer is obvious.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 09, 2008, 05:24:48 PM
One more quick post.  I don't think we have any Colorado fans on the board but Millsaps fans might be interested in posts from yesterday's game at:

http://fle-pics.smugmug.com/Millsaps_College_2008-09/632554
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 09, 2008, 08:01:42 PM
One more Millsaps post.  The local newspaper has done several nice articles on Millsaps recently including a really good column by Rick Cleveland yesterday.  Here's the link:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081109/COL0504/811090344/1177/SPORTS
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on November 10, 2008, 10:12:34 AM
After looking through the Millsaps media guide (which is put together very well), I gathered up some numbers on how much Coach DuBose has impacted our conference play. Millsaps joined the CAC/SCAC in 1989 and for the first 17 seasons their record was 37-59-1. During 1989-2005 they only had three conference winning records, two conference co-championships, zero undefeated conference seasons, and zero playoff appearances. After this Saturday, their record over the past three seasons is now 19-1 where they have accumulated three conference winning records, one conference co-championship, two out-right conference championships, two undefeated conference seasons, and two playoff appearances. The last time Millsaps won 19 conference games before Coach DuBose, it took twelve seasons (1994-2005) where they were 19-47. It is pretty remarkable stuff, so I thought I would share it with the rest of you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 10, 2008, 10:29:03 AM
Disappointing day at Danville on Saturday.  Trinity came out a little flat after the long trip and last week's loss to the Majors.  The offense put up some good numbers, but couldn't punch it in from the red zone.  Trinity "D" played OK but without emotion and couldn't muster the strength to overcome a fired up Centre team.  Gotta hand it to the Colonels ... they defended their house on Senior Day.

With Trinity leading 10-0 with just over a minute to go in the first, Centre ran a trick play ... RB Pinque gets the pitch, then throws back to QB Osterman for 23 yards and out of bounds, stops the clock.  QB throws a couple short passes, but Trinity flagged for roughing the passer, moving the ball to 1st down on TU's 7 yard line.  In two plays, Centre punches it in.  The Colonels score again less than 10 seconds later, when Trinity muffs the kickoff return ... Osterman threw up a no-look prayer and Pinque beat the defender to the ball at the goal line.  Suddenly Trinity trailed 10-13 at the half and Centre team and crowd were really enjoying the day.  After the half, Centre scored again on their second possession and Trinity never recovered any emotion or the momentum.  Trinity did register a TD in the fourth to get back within 3, but Centre answered less than a minute later to seal the deal.

Tigers looked flat and uninspired on Saturday.  Centre was having fun, playing well and took advantage of every opportunity.  Trinity put up 470 yards of offense but only scored two TD's and one FG.  Black Flag defense played poorly and made critical mental errors throughout the game ... allowed 26 but could have been more.

Trinity needs to re-group this week and get prepared for Austin College ... I'd expect the Roos to come to S.A. all fired up and ready to stomp some Tiger butts.  If TU doesn't get their act together, the seniors could have a very somber day.  Not a very good way to end an otherwise promising season ...

Sorry to be so critical, but that's the way I see it, boys.  Make up your minds on how you want to remember the 2008 season and step up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 10, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
Quote from: Chronological Order on November 10, 2008, 10:12:34 AM
After looking through the Millsaps media guide (which is put together very well), I gathered up some numbers on how much Coach DuBose has impacted our conference play. Millsaps joined the CAC/SCAC in 1989 and for the first 17 seasons their record was 37-59-1. During 1989-2005 they only had three conference winning records, two conference co-championships, zero undefeated conference seasons, and zero playoff appearances. After this Saturday, their record over the past three seasons is now 19-1 where they have accumulated three conference winning records, one conference co-championship, two out-right conference championships, two undefeated conference seasons, and two playoff appearances. The last time Millsaps won 19 conference games before Coach DuBose, it took twelve seasons (1994-2005) where they were 19-47. It is pretty remarkable stuff, so I thought I would share it with the rest of you.

I as well have been looking at the numbers over the last 3 seasons. It's been a remakable ride. Being a Junior parent, when my son elected to go to Millsaps, 1st for an education and 2nd to play football, I looked them up on the Oracle (internet) and was greeted with a pretty dismal program. I had no idea what was about to take place. I would really like to lable this 3 season spread as the true "Miricle in Mississippi".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 10, 2008, 11:35:04 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 10, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
I would really like to lable this 3 season spread as the true "Miricle in Mississippi".

MajorDad ... an excellent use of the term.  I agree that the turnaround in the Millsaps program is a great "find" for you and your son.  Nice to pick a stock right before its value rises exponentially!  Let me know what mutual fund you recommend and I'm IN.   ;)

Congratulations to all the Millsaps Majors and their fans ... your program is a credit to Millsaps and the entire SCAC this year.  Best of luck to y'all in the playoffs ... We hope you go deep and long into the playoffs this year!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 10, 2008, 12:05:13 PM
TigerDad--A year from now, that loss at Centre may be the best thing that could have happened to the Trinity program, just as the 15 lateral play helped the Millsaps program far more than it helped Trinity.

Here's the viewpoint of a mid-50's guy who sees sports as a lot more than just wins and losses:

---Prior to 2006, Trinity was the class of the SCAC and I find it surprising that they didn't become complacent and slip up every now and then.

---In 2006, I have to believe that one of the factors in the Millsaps win over Trinity was that Trinity just didn't believe that the guys they beat 41-0 in 2005 could have gotten good enough to actually win over Trinity.  Maybe that wasn't the deciding factor, but it was a factor.  I don't believe the 2006 loss was enough to convince the Trinity players that maybe the tide had turned in the SCAC and that maybe they were now the 2nd best program in the SCAC.

---In 2007, Trinity should have lost to Millsaps.  I give 100% credit to Trinity for that last drive that included a key 4 and 10 conversion.  That was great football, but the 15 lateral play was a fluke and Millsaps could have and should have run out the clock after they had recovered the Trinity onside kick.  Trinity should have lost and Millsaps should have won in 2007, but fortunately for Millsaps (in my opinion), Trinity pull off that miracle play.

---If Millsaps had won in 2007 and gone to the playoffs, they would have probably gone to UMHB and probably would have lost.  They would have returned to Millsaps and worked hard for 2008, but would they have been as focused and dedicated as the group of guys who lost at home to Trinity?  I doubt it.  And I'm sure the Trinity guys worked hard to preparing for the 2008 season, but would they have worked harder if Millsaps had won last season and Trinity had been a 2nd place team and non-playoff team for the 2nd straight year?  My gut feeling is that they would be better this year if they had lost last year.

That's all just theory on my part.  When I read and heard the comments of the Millsaps players this year about how they thought every day for an entire year about how they missed out on the playoffs, I just have to believe that losing last year did more to turn them into an elite team than winning would have done.  I guess we'll never know if that is true.

Likewise, Trinity losing their home winning streak to Millsaps has to be motivating to Trinity for the 2009 season, but if you ask me the loss to Centre might be more motivating.  If Trinity is going to return to the elite status of college football, then it might be because that loss in Danville eats at them every day for an entire year.  I suspect the play of Trinity this Saturday will tell us a lot about what to look for from Trinity in 2009.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 10, 2008, 12:16:07 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 10, 2008, 11:35:04 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 10, 2008, 11:22:32 AM
I would really like to lable this 3 season spread as the true "Miricle in Mississippi".

MajorDad ... an excellent use of the term.  I agree that the turnaround in the Millsaps program is a great "find" for you and your son.  Nice to pick a stock right before its value rises exponentially!  Let me know what mutual fund you recommend and I'm IN.   ;)
Congratulations to all the Millsaps Majors and their fans ... your program is a credit to Millsaps and the entire SCAC this year.  Best of luck to y'all in the playoffs ... We hope you go deep and long into the playoffs this year!!!

LOL TD, no diamond in the rough  in the current market.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 10, 2008, 12:28:12 PM
Just one last note before I head to the airport to begin a trip to the Middle East which pretty much takes me beyond end of the playoffs.

For the Major's players, Parents, Fans and all fans of the SCAC......Stay focused on the mission. You represent all of the teams from the SCAC, not just Millsaps College. Keep in mind that you have increased your fan base X8 and of course anyone I draw into it from the desert...LOL With 5 Millsasps T-shirts in the suitcase, Europe and the ME will know who you are. Good Luck.....I'll be watching.....!

To my PEEPS from the Cabot, enjoy the playoffs, I will surely miss being there!

                                                             ila Al Leka'
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 10, 2008, 04:13:30 PM
Frank,

I agree with your analysis 110% (and as an engineer, that's hard for me to write!)

I have personally seen just such a situation a few years ago with my son's high school football team ... an unexpected or heartbreaking loss is sometimes the best thing that can happen to a group of young men.  Embarrassment, surprise, frustration, disappointment, a shortened season ... even a feeling that someone has taken something that rightfully belongs to you ... these can be tremendous motivators in an athlete's career.

I am hoping to see a proper (and heartfelt) response from the Trinity Tigers this weekend, but moreso from the returning players in the off-season.  A measure of a man's (and team's) character is not necessarily how they respond to good times, but how they respond to trials and difficulty.  Sometimes the longer more difficult road results in determination and satisfaction at a later date.

Millsaps has showed it this year (well done, Majors) and we'll see who shows up next.  I'm not expecting to see the Black Flag raised again this season, but perhaps the guys can earn it back so we'll see it on the field early next.

As for the Majors playoff future, I believe this is the year that UMHB loses in the first or second round ... perhaps in Jackson?

MajorDad ... have a safe trip and hope your guys can go deep ... thank goodness for the Internet ... expect you'll have some late nights or early mornings soon!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 10, 2008, 06:26:45 PM
http://www.al.com/bsc/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1226135731315410.xml&coll=2

This appeared on the National Association of Collegiate Directors of Athletics Daily Review today.  I thought I'd pass it on.  The pictures of the stadium highlighted in earlier posts depict a nice looking venue to be sure.  Sounds like BSC had a good opening day on Saturday.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 10, 2008, 08:26:24 PM
Quote from: rooski on November 09, 2008, 02:33:43 PM
By the way, with no AC game this weekend I took time to listen to the archived broadcast of the DPU/AC game through the DPU sports website. It's kinda interesting to hear someone else's description of something you have seen yourself. A quality broadcast, the guys are easy to listen to - though as a Roos fan I had seen a few things a little differently during the game.

But I would correct one inaccuracy that was repeatedly stated throughout the broadcast. A/C was not trying for the 1st winning season in their history. My understanding is that there is a long list of conference championships and national playoff apperances through their 100+ years in various levels and conferences. Most likely the guys meant something else but I wouldn't want DPU fans to be misinformed. - Perhaps one of the more tenured Roos posters could help here if this even matters.

We've missed having the Roos' webcasts this year. In a way I guess getting to hear the game again later is like a fan's "game film" for during the week.

hmm.  dunno what info they could have possibly been trying to give out with that.  We have been bad, but not THAT bad.

we were 7-3 in in 2000 for out last winning season.  Its really only been since the 90s that we have fallen off the map.

man that loss was deflating.  it sure was frustrating with all the missed opportunities.  However, they have shown they have no quit in them.  Looking forward to handing Trinity a 3 game losing streak.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 10, 2008, 10:37:38 PM
TigerDad, thank you for the details on the 1st half of Trinity-Centre game. I didn't realize how quickly the momentum changed. It's amazing what can happen in such a short span of time, and how a game can completely swing on a play or two. I fully expect TU to bounce back this Saturday, and then be back on track competing hard again with the likes of Millsaps in 2009. Centre normally can't match up with Trinity in football and every so often at Danville Centre pulls a surprise. This year was one of those.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 11, 2008, 06:22:38 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 09, 2008, 05:23:03 PM
rooski--I'm still learning a lot of this stuff and quite often have to be corrected by the true gurus of the message board.  I was under the opinion that it helps to have a win over a regionally ranked team.  Someone with more knowledge than I recently had a post that it would help Trinity if DePauw beat Wabash and then DePauw got regionally ranked--that would move Trinity to 1-1 against regionally ranked teams instead of 0-1.

If that is a plus, then I think as a Millsaps fan I would have to pull for DePauw to win and Trinity to win and hopefully both would get into the regional rankings.  As for what would be best for the SCAC in general, I don't know.  As for what would be best for your Roos, I think that answer is obvious.

Thanks for the insight Frank. Be assured, I'm pretty clear on what I'm hoping for this Saturday. I was looking for a "silver lining" in case the Roos come up short this weekend.

It's a pretty tough way to finish up 2009 but we're looking forward to the trip to S/A and being seeing the Trinity campus. If the Roos do manage to finish 6-4 they certainly will have earned it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 12, 2008, 04:42:27 PM
It has been quiet on this board this week, I know there is a lot going on in the Monon thread though.

To break the silence, I want to say I am a little nervous about BS-C this weekend.  As Jason said in the Around the South column this week, the team seems to be hitting its stride late in the season and would love nothing more than to have a good showing this weekend and take the momentum into next year.

To Millsaps, the AQ is wrapped up as well as the outright conference title, but I have to think an unblemished record is still a goal on the season.  I am curious as to how Coach Dubose will use his starters this week, obviously, they need some game time to stay sharp.  Also, with the #1 South Region ranking, a home game is all but wrapped up for the playoffs, but a loss here may totally change that, regardless of BS-C's provisional status.  Millsaps also needs to build momentum this week and now is not the time to take it down a notch.

What are y'alls thoughts, just trying to get something going here and it really does scream trap game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2008, 05:06:59 PM
Sewanee:  2-7 and not much on offense.  Apparently not much on defense last week, either.    I don't think B-SC will have the success on either side of the ball they saw last weekend, and I don't see Coach DuBose letting your guys even think about letting down. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 12, 2008, 06:47:29 PM
Not to worry "exmajor". While BSC is fun to watch - they're all over the field offensively - there is way too much Majors team speed to justify your anxiety. And defensively, with all due respect, I didn't see any reason they should have any better luck slowing your offense than the rest of the conference has.

If you're going to the game I would expect another fine afternoon from a Millsaps point of view. Your Majors are really, really fun to watch! Enjoy!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 12, 2008, 06:58:55 PM
If AC can run all over BSC and score 48, I don't see any way for them to have a shot against Millsaps. 

just my 2 cents
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 12, 2008, 07:01:12 PM

I'm not so optimistic about Trinity rebounding next year, or the SCAC for that matter. 

Motivation is one thing, but as we see at all levels of college football, the highest levels of success are achieved with the best players.  Trinity's defense has to improve significantly, and there's just no telling if that's going to happen given the fact that none of the Black Flag has emerged as a real playmaker, the likes of Visosky or Allen.  As DePauw showed, the corners are small.  Maybe experience will help, or maybe we'll see that Trinity benefitted in recruiting with the publicity when some young guys get a chance.  Also, I can't say that I'm overwhelmed from what I've seen of the new quarterback.  Urban will be back, but is not his big brother, who also had to share with other great receivers so he can't point to that as the reason he hasn't produced as much as we would have liked.  My guess is that Trinity will be the next group to bring back power football if they can produce a fullback.  Furlow looks pretty menacing for next year and hopefully he doesn't go down.  Hampton, DesPlaines, and now Wilson all lost at least two of their first ten starts.  Barmore did not finish his first season as a starter, and Cannon was quarterback of Trinity's weakest team in recent memory in a weak year for the SCAC in which TU was 9-0.  Unfortunately, Wilson didn't have enough experience to make smart decisions down the field as we saw, and I think all those screens that the Tigers have thrown in recent years stunted his progress.  A new quarterback is always tough unless it's Mike Burton for those who remember.

Speaking of new quarterbacks, Juan Joseph is going to leave one of the most gaping holes in the history of college football.  He is so good and so experienced that a significant dropoff is inevitable.  He and McCarty and all the seniors were pre-Dubose people, so we will see just how well the Majors have recruited.  I assume they will again be at the top of the conference, but I don't think the current level of dominance is possible to maintain.  They are just so good and so much of it has to do with Joseph.  Sometimes you just get a great group of players that is all in the same place at the same time.  Trinity was lucky enough to have that twice in recent memory.  We'll see if the Majors get that fortunate after the current group graduates. 

That said, I really hope the Trinity seniors go out on fire this Saturday, and that the Majors do to the playoffs what they did to Trinity.  We'll see what Mt. Union has to say about them.  Once the Raiders have spoken, we'll know where the Majors stand in football history. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 13, 2008, 06:02:22 AM
TU, good post. Juan Joseph and the departing seniors will definitely leave a big hole. I doubt you'll find a Major fan who would despute that. I also know that our 2nd and 3rd string offense and Defense porbably have more playing time than any other in the SCAC. So it will boil down to who loses the most due to seniors. Not having looked at other rosters from around the SCAC, I don't know if others are losing the caliber of experience the Majors are losing on both sides of the ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2008, 09:36:11 AM
Photos of Millsaps seniors prior to the game with Colorado:

http://fle-pics.smugmug.com/gallery/6512022_qdhMK#413736817_jypMC

Reminder that the Millsaps Coach's Show is tonight.  At 6:00 Central time they repeat last week's show and the new show follows at 7:00.

Link:  http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm

Regarding the Millsaps game in Birmingham, I have a hard team seeing the team letdown this week as they prepare for the playoffs and try to make a pitch for getting to host 2 playoffs games (if they win the first).  I'm sure BSC will be fired up to prove something after last year.  It was actually worse than the 58-7 score indicates as Millsaps led 35-0 after a quarter and 52-0 at halftime.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 13, 2008, 09:47:47 AM
Thanks for the feedback guys, I agree the Majors should not have an issue assuming they play their game.  Let's pray there are no injuries on either side this week, or in any of the games for that matter around the SCAC and DIII!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 13, 2008, 03:41:05 PM
I saw BSC pound Sewanee for a half on Saturday.  Returner and RB Langston (#21) made D3 TOW this week for special teams play, and he deserved it!  The Majors better not be "taking a break" on this one!  Their seeding is on the line!

Everybody stay healthy!

In tennis I'm more conflicted, but this week ... GO MAJORS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 13, 2008, 06:45:21 PM
the live videocast for Trinity games is free isnt it?

i want to hook my laptop to my tv this weekend to watch it...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2008, 08:03:55 PM
Yep, they even let the Millsaps guys watch the pounding for free.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 13, 2008, 08:19:00 PM
TU is videocasting the volleyball regionals... all games... not bad!  http://75.126.217.186/trinity

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 13, 2008, 10:09:57 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Removal of the Black Flag???)


TigerDad,
IMHO the removal of the Black Flag from the Tiger Defense after the Millsaps game was one of the most bone-headed moves that the Tiger coaching staff could have made. This left the entire team "totally" demoralized for the road game at Centre; as though things were not bad enough after the home loss. The Millsaps game was truly not as one-sided as the score sounded, and the defense was definately not the only problem that day. Stripping the Black Flag left the Tigers "set-up" for a defeat. Trinity still had a good chance for a playoff slot with a victory in Kentucky; demoralizing the troops was absolutely the wrong approach to the problem (if there was a problem?). It is true that a 9-1 finish would have been a back-door into the playoffs, but it was "still a door" and now there is not even that. The Tiger coaches should have just pumped-up the team for the last two regular season games; this can not be properly done by removing  one of their "points of pride". Go Black Flag Go!

                                                                                 :(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 14, 2008, 12:21:49 AM
I've never really thought to ask the significance of the black flag. Someone enlighten me.  No surrender type thing? 

TU seniors have EvERYTHInG to play for this weekend.  Next year will take care of itself.  One more game for pride.  I'll be there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2008, 12:26:50 AM
Quote from: etg on November 13, 2008, 10:09:57 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Removal of the Black Flag???)


TigerDad,
IMHO the removal of the Black Flag from the Tiger Defense after the Millsaps game was one of the most bone-headed moves that the Tiger coaching staff could have made. This left the entire team "totally" demoralized for the road game at Centre; as though things were not bad enough after the home loss. The Millsaps game was truly not as one-sided as the score sounded, and the defense was definately not the only problem that day. Stripping the Black Flag left the Tigers "set-up" for a defeat. Trinity still had a good chance for a playoff slot with a victory in Kentucky; demoralizing the troops was absolutely the wrong approach to the problem (if there was a problem?). It is true that a 9-1 finish would have been a back-door into the playoffs, but it was "still a door" and now there is not even that. The Tiger coaches should have just pumped-up the team for the last two regular season games; this can not be properly done by removing  one of their "points of pride". Go Black Flag Go!

                                                                                 :(

On the other hand, awarding the Black Flag after the defense's worst performance in over a decade would send what sort of message?   "Hey, you gave up nearly 60 points at home, here's your flag" ?   ??? 
Honors have to be earned.  They had a chance to earn it back against Centre.  Unfortunately, this year's team failed; no doubt the underclassmen will remember the lesson come next year. 

And agree or disagree, I'm not about to call a staff led by a man with one of the country's best W-L record over the last decade "bone-headed."   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 14, 2008, 08:38:22 AM
Now the TigerDad post with Black Flag makes more sense.  I thought it was odd, like TigerDad was personally criticising the defense, but now I see that this was a coaching decision.

What happened two weeks ago was really no different from the last time Trinity met a team ranked as high as Millsaps, the 52-23 loss to UMHB last year.  Both Millsaps and UMHB were ranked around number 4 in the nation, UMHB gained 492 yards and Millsaps gained 576 yards and scored 56 points.  Sometimes an exceptional offense can make a good defense look bad.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 14, 2008, 10:25:19 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2008, 12:26:50 AM

And agree or disagree, I'm not about to call a staff led by a man with one of the country's best W-L record over the last decade "bone-headed."   

I'd have to agree with you on that one.  They say for a player to never pick the college they want to play football on based on the coach as coaches leave on occasion.  Pick your school for the education and location and all that matters most.  But, in our case, Coach Mohr was a pretty strong reason to play there.  The man knows how to balance a winning program with a great education.  How many teams out there have a "bad" year if they lose more than one regular season game?  That says a lot about the program.  I'm glad my son is a part.  And, I like others, are disappointed to see our seniors miss the playoffs.  But, that's why we tee the ball up at 1:30 on each Saturday.  There are no gifts in the D-3 playoffs. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 14, 2008, 11:10:28 AM
I typed a response early this morning, but cancelled without posting.  Glad I did.  Sometimes just typing can be therapeutic ... anybody with me on that one?

I agree with Ron & Tex.  I would not presume to criticize the TU coaching staff ... I believe their results speak for themselves.  They consistently manage to get more out of their team than should be expected ... just look at the numbers if needed.

I do think Millsaps' offense is impressive this season and would make most D3 defenses question their abilities, especially Joseph's combination of pass accuracy, decision-making, and scrambling ability.  ANY defense will have trouble covering that many receivers AND such a mobile QB.  I understand that the TU Black Flag is given or withheld at the coaches' discretion ... it has always been so in my experience and is a legitimate motivational tool.  If that were not so, the Tiger D alums would feel cheated and the meaning would be lost.

I do not agree that the Trinity Tigers were "demoralized" by the MC or CC losses, nor by the coaching staff.  These young men, like those attending many other D3 programs, are not so shallow or fragile as to be crushed by the events of a game or two on Saturday afternoons.  Disappointed by the loss, but nothing more. They are all successful in their own respect ... heck, I'm impressed that they can attend Trinity, maintain their grades, and manage to pull on a football uniform every Saturday.  More than I did at their age, I assure you. 

Finally, IMHO a two-loss year is nothing to be criticized!  We Trinity Tiger fans (and alums) may be just be too spoiled.  Let me be the first to state that there are MANY D3 football players and coaches who would surrender a major appendage for a 7-2 season with one game remaining.  Playoffs would have been an extra bonus, but there are 236 football-playing schools in Division III ... only 32 are selected to the championship playoffs.  This year, Trinity is one of the 204 that did not.  I am over it and take pride in our boys' accomplishments on and off the field.

GO TRINITY TIGERS ... POUND THE 'ROOS AND CAPTURE THE FLAG.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 14, 2008, 12:44:39 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 14, 2008, 11:10:28 AM
I typed a response early this morning, but cancelled without posting.  Glad I did.  Sometimes just typing can be therapeutic ... anybody with me on that one?

I'm pretty sure I've backed out of nearly as many posts as I have "posted".  So yes, I'm definitely right there with you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 14, 2008, 01:31:51 PM
Maybe that's why my Karma rating stays below the "Mendoza line".  I've made a few posts that I maybe should have reconsidered (before posting).....  Great post TigerDad!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on November 14, 2008, 02:10:49 PM
Anyone that knows a little more about BSC please respond. 
Does Coach Gann help out at BSC at all.  He is a former High School football coach from Berry High School (now Hoover), and John Carroll Catholic in Birmingham.  Does anyone know for sure.  He isn't listed on the BSC web-page.  Just curious.

Also, on the topic of the black flag defense, I would have to agree that things like that need to be earned, but if you watched the Millsaps - Trinity game (as I did, and I am sure many of you did), the 56 points that we put up was in fact a lot, but the game didn't look that bad.  I thought the TU D was strong, Juan simply had all day to throw.  Trinity's D-line just couldn't get the pressure and that is what I thought hurt them the most (that and the 6+ minute Millsaps drive at the end of the game).
It will be interesting to see how teams play Millsaps in the play-offs.  I wonder if people will take the Carnegie Mellon approach and drop 8 each play.  Damn, that play-off game was disappointing.  I hope the Majors can make it a little further this year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 14, 2008, 07:57:36 PM
Go Roos!!!!   ;) ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 14, 2008, 11:16:34 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 14, 2008, 11:10:28 AM
I typed a response early this morning, but cancelled without posting.  Glad I did.  Sometimes just typing can be therapeutic ... anybody with me on that one?

I agree with Ron & Tex.  I would not presume to criticize the TU coaching staff ... I believe their results speak for themselves.  They consistently manage to get more out of their team than should be expected ... just look at the numbers if needed.

I do think Millsaps' offense is impressive this season and would make most D3 defenses question their abilities, especially Joseph's combination of pass accuracy, decision-making, and scrambling ability.  ANY defense will have trouble covering that many receivers AND such a mobile QB.  I understand that the TU Black Flag is given or withheld at the coaches' discretion ... it has always been so in my experience and is a legitimate motivational tool.  If that were not so, the Tiger D alums would feel cheated and the meaning would be lost.

I do not agree that the Trinity Tigers were "demoralized" by the MC or CC losses, nor by the coaching staff.  These young men, like those attending many other D3 programs, are not so shallow or fragile as to be crushed by the events of a game or two on Saturday afternoons.  Disappointed by the loss, but nothing more. They are all successful in their own respect ... heck, I'm impressed that they can attend Trinity, maintain their grades, and manage to pull on a football uniform every Saturday.  More than I did at their age, I assure you. 

Finally, IMHO a two-loss year is nothing to be criticized!  We Trinity Tiger fans (and alums) may be just be too spoiled.  Let me be the first to state that there are MANY D3 football players and coaches who would surrender a major appendage for a 7-2 season with one game remaining.  Playoffs would have been an extra bonus, but there are 236 football-playing schools in Division III ... only 32 are selected to the championship playoffs.  This year, Trinity is one of the 204 that did not.  I am over it and take pride in our boys' accomplishments on and off the field.

GO TRINITY TIGERS ... POUND THE 'ROOS AND CAPTURE THE FLAG.

As the parent of a senior (who's been having a great season by the way), I can only imagine what TigerDad is feeling.  Very eloquent reminder of what D-3 is all about.  I hope these seniors get to go out on a winning note and I believe they will.  We're going to miss those seniors.  So, I agree...


POUND THE 'ROOS AND CAPTURE THE FLAG.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 14, 2008, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 14, 2008, 07:57:36 PM
Go Roos!!!!   ;) ;D

Just a friendly note... a west Texas wind storm has managed to work its way down to San Antonio.  Passing is going to be very difficult.  It's literally blowing 35-40 mph right now outside my hotel room.  I predict a strong TU running game staying very much in control.  I also predict TU's defense makes 3 INT's tomorrow. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2008, 02:32:56 AM
Quote from: Tex on November 14, 2008, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 14, 2008, 07:57:36 PM
Go Roos!!!!   ;) ;D

Just a friendly note... a west Texas wind storm has managed to work its way down to San Antonio.  Passing is going to be very difficult.  It's literally blowing 35-40 mph right now outside my hotel room.  I predict a strong TU running game staying very much in control.  I also predict TU's defense makes 3 INT's tomorrow. 

Three interceptions by Trinity would be quite a feat seeing how we average 8 passes a game!  ;) Hoping for a good game.  I really want to be there but a family issue calls me to stay home.   :(

Tex, I live in Bryan.  We need to get together for lunch one day!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on November 15, 2008, 03:56:58 AM
Wise words being posted here lately. Not all conference boards are so thoughtful.

I don't have a whole lot to add, except that I think maybe Millsaps could go very deep into the playoffs. I have a round in mind, but I don't want to be a jinx or create unnecessary expectations.

Enjoy Week 11.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 15, 2008, 09:36:08 AM
Quote from: roocru on November 15, 2008, 02:32:56 AM
Quote from: Tex on November 14, 2008, 11:18:18 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 14, 2008, 07:57:36 PM
Go Roos!!!!   ;) ;D

Just a friendly note... a west Texas wind storm has managed to work its way down to San Antonio.  Passing is going to be very difficult.  It's literally blowing 35-40 mph right now outside my hotel room.  I predict a strong TU running game staying very much in control.  I also predict TU's defense makes 3 INT's tomorrow. 

Three interceptions by Trinity would be quite a feat seeing how we average 8 passes a game!  ;) Hoping for a good game.  I really want to be there but a family issue calls me to stay home.   :(

Tex, I live in Bryan.  We need to get together for lunch one day!  :)

Heck, man, you're only a 3 hour drive away from today's game.  Get in your vehicle and leave now.  You'll have time to tailgate!  ;) 

If TU wins today, you buy me lunch.  If the 'roos win, I'll buy!  (Coco Loco hole in the wall Mexican joint just north of the A&M Consol campus!)

And, on the passing point, I apparently wrongly assumed the Roos were a pass-happy lot, like the entire rest of the league!  As an old o-line coach, nothing would make me happier to see both teams try and execute a strong ground game all day long.  Screw that namby-pamby pass blocking stuff.  Let's go attack, pull, trap and execute to give me something to watch! 

Show the O-line some love!!!


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 15, 2008, 09:53:07 AM
Just a simple observation that Frank, I am certain, has noted previously. His Majors have had quite a year in major D3 Sports with a final 4 appearance in basketball and what hopefully will be a nice post-season run in football as well. Wish I had followed SCAC football in more depth all season because it's been a good one the past few weeks. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 15, 2008, 11:31:05 AM
When Millsaps Men's Basketball Coach Tim Wise became the AD at Millsaps several years ago he told me that one day he would like to have a "Bob King Day".  He was referring to Trinity AD Bob King and the success of the entire Trinity sports program--he wanted to walk between all of the athletic fields on a Saturday in the fall or spring and find that all of the Millsaps teams were winning.

Millsaps isn't there yet, but they have really made great strides in the athletic department lately:

--The baseball team was one out away from the College World Series in 2006.
--The basketball team "only" made the final 8 last year, not the final 4, losing to eventually champion Washington U. on Washington's home court.
--The football team has won 3 straight SCAC Championships (co-champs in 2007) and hopefully much more is yet to come this year.
--The soccer teams, while only mid-level in the SCAC, both just finished their best season in a decade.
--The women's basketball team has a real winner in Coach Mary Bolton--look for them to be the surprise team in the SCAC this year.
--Coach Rodriquez had the softball team in the SCAC finals last year, losing 1-0 to a DePauw team that was #1 in the nation.
--And equally important, we have an SID who is doing a great job of getting the word out about these programs which is something these coaches and athletes greatly deserve.

One final word.  I'm around Millsaps athletics a lot, often as an close observer on the sidelines.  While I'm impressed by the recents results during competition, I am even more impressed by the character of the people in the athletic program.  They are a great group of coaches and young men and women and it makes it easy for me to want to devote time to supporting the programs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 15, 2008, 12:00:54 PM
Well, Herbstreit and Corso both just picked Wabash to beat DePauw.  I didn't realize how big that rivalry was until they led off their picks with it on Game Day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on November 15, 2008, 01:29:23 PM
I cannot get the Millsaps game on my ATW link, is anyone else having that issue? I am getting internet error.


:'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 01:36:57 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 15, 2008, 11:31:05 AM
When Millsaps Men's Basketball Coach Tim Wise became the AD at Millsaps several years ago he told me that one day he would like to have a "Bob King Day".  He was referring to Trinity AD Bob King and the success of the entire Trinity sports program--he wanted to walk between all of the athletic fields on a Saturday in the fall or spring and find that all of the Millsaps teams were winning.

Credit where due, Frank - that would be Bob King, starting cornerback on the last Millsaps football team to reach the Division III semi-finals (1975) and Millsaps College Hall of Fame, 1991. 

It's great to see more SCAC schools being successful on the fields as well as in the classroom.  If the NESCAC can win the champonships it does year after year, why not the SCAC? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 01:40:22 PM
Quote from: millsaps mom on November 15, 2008, 01:29:23 PM
I cannot get the Millsaps game on my ATW link, is anyone else having that issue? I am getting internet error.


:'(

It's 10-7 Millsaps late in the first quarter.  Millsaps has outgained BSC 234-10; BSC got its TD on an 87-yd kick return.  The Majors have three fumbles (lost one), otherwise it would be the typical laugher early. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 01:42:52 PM
Make that four fumbles (lost two), the latest coming inside the Panthers' 15. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2008, 01:49:42 PM
at Moravian 14 Muhlenberg 0  9:45 2Q.  (Rivalry game!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 01:51:47 PM
Pat is blogging the Monon Bell Classic live (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/11/15/game-day-the-situation-room/), but so far it's been all Tigers as they've picked off two Wabash passes to lead 16-0.

It does appear that BSC is getting the benefit of the calls, the stat board says there have been 6 penalties (for 119 yds, which can't be right) against the Majors through just over one quarter.  2 penalties/21 on BSC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2008, 01:52:08 PM
Is Trinity/AC on internet video?  If so, can someone post the URL?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2008, 02:02:37 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 15, 2008, 01:52:08 PM
Is Trinity/AC on internet video?  If so, can someone post the URL?

Never Mind.  I found it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 02:12:11 PM
Good grief, Millsaps fumbles on the BSC 4 this time down the field.  BSC drives to midfield but has to punt, and they go to the locker room trailing 10-7.   

Another Wabash INT leads to another DePauw score.  23-0 Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on November 15, 2008, 02:29:54 PM
What does it make the SCAC seem like, if DePauw finishes the slaughter at Wabash?  Does that mean the SCAC is maybe a little more powerful than everyone thinks, or is Wabash a maybe a little weaker than everyone thought?  Just some questions, GO DEPAUW!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 02:42:39 PM
Probably will hurt Wabash more than help the SCAC.  We have to start winning some playoff games.

And Millsaps needs to quit with the turnovers.  Their first drive of the second ends with an INT - that's four turnovers in a litrle more than a half.

Trinity scores on its opening drive, 7-0 over Austin early on. 

Centre doing nothing early against Colorado College, 0-0 midway through the second.  Then again, they did zero early against Trinity last week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2008, 02:44:01 PM
Ron, I can't get video or audio of the TU/AC game to work.  Any suggestions?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 02:45:05 PM
Walter Arrington rips off a 34-yd TD run and BSC goes up on Millsaps 14-10!

Roocru, I followed the link from the scacsports page.

Centre can't convert on fourth-and-goal from the one, still 0-0 there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2008, 02:48:46 PM
Quote from: TE4SAPS80 on November 15, 2008, 02:29:54 PM
What does it make the SCAC seem like, if DePauw finishes the slaughter at Wabash?  Does that mean the SCAC is maybe a little more powerful than everyone thinks, or is Wabash a maybe a little weaker than everyone thought?  Just some questions, GO DEPAUW!!!
Respectfully, I think that Wabash is overrated, but let's not tell the "East Coast Bias" that!   :D   ;)

The SCAC will benefit from the OWP/OOWP tho'!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 02:51:40 PM
Looks like Millsaps got a kick return for score (live stats are incomplete) but are back  on top 17-14.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on November 15, 2008, 02:54:58 PM
No matter which link I try, the Millsaps game will not connect.
Anyone understand why Millsaps keeps giving up the ball? Since I cannot see I cannot tell.

Millsaps Mom
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2008, 02:57:47 PM
Ron,  I get to Quicktime for video and Windows media for audio, but they are not connecting.  I guess you have to carry the load of reporting the score to me.  >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 03:00:12 PM
DePauw goes straight down the field and Spud Dick finds Alex Koors from four yards out, now up 30-0 after the PAT.

End of one in SA, still 7-0.  Trinity couldn't convert a 4th-and-three at the 35.  AC hasn't gotten past midfield yet. 

Centre finally puts a TD on the board against Colorado College, 7-0 very late in the first half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 03:04:04 PM
Chris Baer scores an on a screen from ten yards out, 14-0 Trinity, 13:05 to play in the second quarter.

Wabash finally scores, 30-7 DPU midway into the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 03:09:25 PM
Millsaps turns the ball over for the sixth time today on an interception at the BSC 19.   Just wow. 

Bryant Wilson tries to throw into coverage but AC ends up with an easy pick in the end zone.  AC rips off a sixty-plus yard run but the ball comes loose on the tackle and Trinity recovers at their 11.

Millsaps returns the favor when Marcus Harris picks off Thigpen and returns it 61 yards for a TD.  Millsaps 24, BSC 14, 12:16 to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 15, 2008, 03:10:56 PM
Wow is right, Ron.  The stats suggest Millsaps should be rolling except for that turnover category. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on November 15, 2008, 03:14:33 PM
Thank goodness for Marcus Harris!!! 24-14 Millsaps!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 15, 2008, 03:16:02 PM
Well...turnover margin just got a little closer.  Millsaps takes advantage of a bad option pitch and the Majors' Marcus Harris returns it for a touchdown.  Apparently, the official scorer has ruled it an interception.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 03:17:40 PM
Wabash trying to make a game of it.  After recovering a Spud Dick fumble they put together a nice drive and close the gap to 30-14, 3:03 remaining in the third quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 03:23:31 PM
Juan Joseph fumbles, BSC takes over at the Majors 26 with 7:41 to play.

TU QB Bryant Wilson is shaken up, next play Chris Baer takes it in from about 15 yards out, Trinity up 21-0 with 2:49 left in the half.

Millsaps holds BSC on fourth-and-six, take over on their 22.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 03:29:17 PM
Normalcy is restored as Millsaps drives 78 yards to take a 31-14 lead.  Key play was a 71-yard pass from Joseph to Galatas on second and 19.

DePauw eschews going for it on fourth-and-three, Havercamp hits from 42 yards out to extend their lead to 33-14 with 13:19 on the clock. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 15, 2008, 03:32:44 PM
Wild and sloppy game in Birmingham....kudos to Millsaps defense for sweeping up behind the offense.

Congratulations to the Majors!  10-0 -- First undefeated regular season since 1980. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 03:37:44 PM
DePauw with a big stop, Kyle Sherer sacks Matt Hudson on fourth-and-two at the DPU 10. 

Final in Birmingham, congrats to Millsaps and good luck in the playoffs!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 15, 2008, 03:42:15 PM
AC completes a plass and runs out of bounds at the 10 with 10 seconds remaing and the ref runs the clock? End of half down 21-0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2008, 03:43:51 PM
AC has shown to be a seconf half team this year.  They sure need to be this week!  ;) :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 03:43:55 PM
AC puts together its best drive of the day but the clock runs out on them inside the 15 when the runner is apparently ruled to have been stopped in-bounds.  21-0 Trinity at the half.

Colorado College ties it up at 7 with time running down in the third quarter.

I'm going to step away for lunch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 15, 2008, 04:25:18 PM
Roos QB runs for about 60 and scores to make it 24-14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 15, 2008, 04:28:53 PM
Trinity fumble recovered at 49 1st and 10 ROOSSSS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 15, 2008, 04:31:51 PM
How did AC get their first TD?  I can't get the Trinity audio or video to work.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 15, 2008, 04:37:23 PM
4th and goal  from the 1 AC is denied AGAIN.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on November 15, 2008, 04:41:19 PM
Congrats to Depauw on a fine win!  I would bet the north region is reshuffling in a big way ... um ... as is the South.  It's been a WEIRD day!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 15, 2008, 04:45:16 PM
Several plays after a pass interferance call on 3rd down a 40 yrd TD pass puts TU up 31-14 with 10:36 to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 15, 2008, 05:04:20 PM
Trinity scores another late TD 38-14 with 2:41.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2008, 05:44:10 PM
The Trinity loss at Centre looms large today!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2008, 05:52:14 PM
Congrats to Trinity for their victory! 

Also congrats to Austin College for a good year.  Admit it, you Trinity fans were sweating it for a minute there!!   ;)
AC has made some real improvements and I am proud of their effort and their season.  Now all we have to do is find a way to convert on 4th & 1.  It cost us at least two victories this year.  :(

Tex, let's get together next week.  I owe you a Mexican dinner!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 05:53:26 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2008, 05:44:10 PM
The Trinity loss at Centre looms large today!

*sigh* no kidding.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 15, 2008, 06:05:51 PM
In all honesty, this was a perfect day for Millsaps:

---They won to complete a 10-0 season and to keep the high ranking they need to hopefully host several games.
---They played very much like a team that wasn't focused or a team that thought they could just walk out on the field and go through the motions.  Maybe that wan't what happened, but a focused team rarely fumbles 7 times, turns over the ball 7 times, and gets penalized 8 times for 128 yards.  If a team is going to have a problem with their focus, they are lucky if they still win and if that problem comes before the first game of the playoffs.
---DePauw winning today was great for DePauw, great for Millsaps, and great for the SCAC.  What would help the SCAC from this point on is for Millsaps to go deep into the playoffs.

And while the big thing is how well the team does, congratulations to Millsaps receiver Eric McCarty for tieing the Millsaps record for most catches in a career.  He is now tied with Dees Hinton who played on the 1975 NCAA team.  Eric is a great guy as well as a great football player--a description I would have also used in 1975 to describe Dees Hinton (Dees is still a great guy who looks like he can still play--I feel sure he can still catch the ball but I'm not so certain about the "taking a hit" part).

I received an email with two corrections to the above.  First, it turns out the Eric McCarty had 6 receptions today which makes him #1 on the Millsaps career list with 160 receptions.  Second, he passed Wes Ingram who had 159 career catches--Dees is third on the list with 136.  Dees holds the record for receiving yards with McCarty having an outside shot at that total.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2008, 06:09:04 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 15, 2008, 05:52:14 PM
Congrats to Trinity for their victory! 

Also congrats to Austin College for a good year.  Admit it, you Trinity fans were sweating it for a minute there!!   ;)
AC has made some real improvements and I am proud of their effort and their season.  Now all we have to do is find a way to convert on 4th & 1.  It cost us at least two victories this year.  :(

Tex, let's get together next week.  I owe you a Mexican dinner!  ;D

Happy to see the Roos are on the way up - you have a winner for a coach and that program should continue to improve.

I also appreciated Athletic Director Norman's comments on the TU halftime broadcast today. 

Congrats to DePauw for defrauding "#3" Wabash today.  Not bad for the #3 team in the SCAC (tho I guess they are really T-2 and not #3 even if they did lose to Millsaps and Trinity). 

Now let's go deep, Millsaps. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 15, 2008, 11:22:44 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 15, 2008, 05:52:14 PM
Congrats to Trinity for their victory! 

Also congrats to Austin College for a good year.  Admit it, you Trinity fans were sweating it for a minute there!!   ;)
AC has made some real improvements and I am proud of their effort and their season.  Now all we have to do is find a way to convert on 4th & 1.  It cost us at least two victories this year.  :(

Tex, let's get together next week.  I owe you a Mexican dinner!  ;D

I'll be back in town on Thursday!  Congrats to the Tiger D for getting that Black Flag back. 

Pretty horrible officiating in SA today.  Some low-lights...

First AC offensive play, TU gets called for an Unsportsmanlike.  One of those "last guy gets the call" things.

First Q TU receiver gets clobbered and no INT call. 

On that last play of the half, from my vantage point on the 50 yard line, up high, he looked run out of bounds.  I'll have to only assume the runner's knee hit down inbounds.  The AC crowd went ballistic.  The refs had to leave the field at half time by going through the cut in the visitors stands.  They got quite an earful.  Since the AC fans had an even worse view than I did, I can only imagine how ticked they were.  Sounded pretty irate.  But, I think that motivated the Roos in the 2nd half.  The other problem with that entire series is that there should have never been 6 seconds left to work with.  AC got the ball with about 52 seconds left on that drive and the clock failed to start here and there.  Again, karma at work perhaps by having it run out the way it did. 

AC coach made a very controversial decision in the 4th Q to go for the Fourth and goal from the four instead of kicking a FG.  Being 10 points down, you have to wonder why he didn't try and take the points.  TU goes on a 96 yard drive, assisted on a huge INT call that was highly questionable.  Since we had lost a few questionable calls, I guess karma was giving one back to us.  That was my vantage point. 

On the TU QB/Center exchange fumble, the roos d-line guy jumped offsides,TU center snaps it, TU QB not ready for it and the Refs neglect to call the offsides.  That's the risk you take when your center gets aggressive like that.  We certainly won more of those situations than we lost this year.  No complaints.

Austin College played a strong 2nd half and I was worried for a while there.  No doubt I wasn't the only one. 

Terrible officiating, but both sides seemed to suffer from it about the same amount.  It's a shame when the officials insert themselves into the game through bad calls and no calls. 

I guess I leave my first year D-3 experience being quite impressed with all the student-athletes in the SCAC and their dedication to play the best game in the world while still keeping up with a full college load in challenging liberal arts schools.  Each team can't win the championship every year, but all these young men will be highly successful in life when they graduate from one of these fine schools. 

My other impression is how incredibly poor the officiating in this conference is.  Every game I saw, home and away.  Worse than what I was used to watching years Texas 5A high school football.  If there was one thing the AD's in the SCAC should do in this off-season, fix this issue somehow.  Maybe pay more to attract the best.... I don't know the answer.  I expect the AD's should have the answers.  It's their jobs. 

I'm sorry our season is over.  I wish Milsaps the best and hope you win it all. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 16, 2008, 08:06:24 AM
DePauw going to the NCAA Playoffs?!?!?!?  I had to add one more question mark than exclamation mark because that is not official, but it is the prediction of the D3 football experts.  By no means does that make it a guarantee but those guys know what they are talking about and if they think DePauw has a very good chance, then I have to think that DePauw has a very good chance.

D3 Predictions at this link:  http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2008/11/16/final-playoff-projection/

I won't spend a lot of time discussing this since it will either be a moot point or a hot topic in 7-8 hours, but it would be an interesting turn of events. 

---From the Trinity side of the coin, I would argue that Trinity should be ahead of DePauw because they are both 8-2 and Trinity won the head-to-head. 
---From the DePauw side of the coin, I would argue that DePauw's two losses were both road games against teams that were/are regionally ranked and they have a road win over a highly ranked region team. 
---From a practical point of view, I would say that there's a good chance that the location of DePauw might make them a better fit than throwing in another Texas team and then having to fly Trinity or UMHB or Hardin-Simmons somewhere OR matchup Millsaps and UMHB in the first round.  Pat always gets irratated with me when I suggest that the NCAA might pick teams because they make more economical sense, but I continue to believe that it is a factor when people get behind closed doors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2008, 08:48:24 AM
I had Cal Lu on the table because they had two results vs RRO, losses to #1 Willamette and #2 Oxy.

Pairing Oxy and Cal LU in the first round would save a plane flight and the winner could go to Willamette.  If Oxy beat Willamette, they would get the Regional Finals.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 16, 2008, 10:10:34 AM



Congrats to the Tiger D for getting that Black Flag back. 

Pretty horrible officiating in SA today.  Some low-lights...

I think they should add some white stripes to that flag. AC was flaged 13 times, that almost twice as any other game this year. We only average 4 a game with 7 being our season high.(until our trip to SA) This is not to say the TU players did not earn the victory, they simply took advantage of the situation GIVEN to them. I agree we should have kick the field goal to make it a one score game. I still feel that the only game we did not have a chance to win was in Jackson, and as young as we are the Roos are poised to make some noise in '09.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 16, 2008, 10:16:30 AM
When you look at teams with equal records, you have to look at not only H2H but things like OWP and results vs. RROs.  Trinity's soft non-conference schedule cost them dearly in the OWP department.  Both have one win vs RROs (since you would have to consider DePauw a RRO in this situation) but Depauw's victory is much more impressive (came on the road against a better opponent - not to mention being yesterday, which never hurts criteria or not).  Both DePauw losses were to RROs - Trinity lost to a non-RRO.  I think when the committee is looking at the last spot between two-loss teams that DPU will have a real shot.

The only monkey wrench might come in with Wheaton, who has a similar OWP (29th vs 20th), better OOWP, and one more regional win (8-2 v 7-2).  They don't have the signature win that DPU has, though, and I think that will outweigh the additional in-region win.  DPU only has 7 due to BSC's provisional status.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 16, 2008, 10:43:30 AM
De Pauw going to the playoffs with Millsaps is a knee-slapper on top of being well deserved. While they did lose to both MC and TU, they stepped it up when they had to, unlike TU. Kudo's to De Pauw, hope today is a good day after your awesome day yesterday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 16, 2008, 10:48:18 AM
QuoteDe Pauw going to the playoffs with Millsaps is a knee-slapper on top of being well deserved. While they did lose to both MC and TU, they stepped it up when they had to, unlike TU. Kudo's to De Pauw, hope today is a good day after your awesome day yesterday.

Thanks, Major Dad. Whatever the case, I think it sheds a little more light on the overall strength of the SCAC.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 16, 2008, 11:58:09 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 16, 2008, 10:48:18 AM
QuoteDe Pauw going to the playoffs with Millsaps is a knee-slapper on top of being well deserved. While they did lose to both MC and TU, they stepped it up when they had to, unlike TU. Kudo's to De Pauw, hope today is a good day after your awesome day yesterday.

Thanks, Major Dad. Whatever the case, I think it sheds a little more light on the overall strength of the SCAC.   

For what it's worth, I hope DePauw gets into the playoffs.  I've seen several playoff teams the last few years, and your team can compete and beat a good percentage of them.  The team I saw yesterday was the team I expected to see all year (unfortunately, the Wabash team I saw yesterday resembled nothing that I was familiar with).  I just want to know where that effort has been all year?  Hopefully the beating you gave us will serve as a wake-up call and we can still make some noise in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 16, 2008, 03:31:51 PM
Sorry, DPU, looks like you were penalized for not having that eighth in-region game - what a pity.    Won't be a problem next year at least with BSC's results counting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 16, 2008, 03:55:02 PM
Boy, that's horribly disappointing.  Got my hopes all up and everything.  Guess they took Wheaton instead. 

Oh well, still have the Bell.  Good enough for me.

EDIT: Did think it was pretty cool that the vast majority of their B-roll was from the Bell game yesterday.  That was at least pretty neat.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 16, 2008, 05:37:43 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 16, 2008, 03:55:02 PM
Oh well, still have the Bell.  Good enough for me.

This year, OK. 

Next year, even if you win the Bell game, missing the playoffs again cannot be good enough.  Expectations in Greencastle next year should be a conference championship and a playoff run.  With all you have returning, anything short should be considered a disappointment, especially if the Millsaps and Trinity games are at home (which they should be, right?).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 16, 2008, 05:41:18 PM
Correct.  Millsaps, Trinity, Centre, and Wabash all come to Blackstock Stadium.  I can't really disagree with anything you've said, either.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPULefty22 on November 16, 2008, 05:58:58 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on November 16, 2008, 05:37:43 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 16, 2008, 03:55:02 PM
Oh well, still have the Bell.  Good enough for me.

This year, OK. 

Next year, even if you win the Bell game, missing the playoffs again cannot be good enough.  Expectations in Greencastle next year should be a conference championship and a playoff run.  With all you have returning, anything short should be considered a disappointment, especially if the Millsaps and Trinity games are at home (which they should be, right?).

Cosign. The schedule aligns just about perfectly.  Gonna have to find some new bodies in the trenches next year, but man, is there ever a lot of young talent on the defense. 8-2 ain't gonna cut it next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TrickyTroy on November 16, 2008, 06:36:52 PM
Just be glad your not in the ASC 2 seed vs 3 seed first round >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 16, 2008, 06:45:14 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 2009 Assumptions/Predictions)


Am I correct to "assume" that for TU both Curry and Baer actually will play their "4th year of eligibility" next year (2009)?
If so, then DPU will still not have beaten TU! If not, then the winner could be "slightly" up in the air?
2009 Predictions: Staska (if healthy) finally gets his "3rd year" QB shot; and the Black Flag really does return (think I saw a glimmer towards the end of the AC game)? 


                                                                            ???

                                                                               
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 16, 2008, 07:40:56 PM
Quote from: etg on November 16, 2008, 06:45:14 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 2009 Assumptions/Predictions)


Am I correct to "assume" that for TU both Curry and Baer actually will play their "4th year of eligibility" next year (2009)?
If so, then DPU will still not have beaten TU! If not, then the winner could be "slightly" up in the air?
2009 Predictions: Staska (if healthy) finally gets his "3rd year" QB shot; and the Black Flag really does return (think I saw a glimmer towards the end of the AC game)? 


                                                                            ???

                                                                               
What you saw was the yellowflag and I hope AC retuns the favor next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 16, 2008, 07:42:48 PM
By that I mean the win NOT the officiating
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 16, 2008, 08:02:05 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 15, 2008, 11:22:44 PM

Terrible officiating, but both sides seemed to suffer from it about the same amount.  It's a shame when the officials insert themselves into the game through bad calls and no calls. 

I guess I leave my first year D-3 experience being quite impressed with all the student-athletes in the SCAC and their dedication to play the best game in the world while still keeping up with a full college load in challenging liberal arts schools.  Each team can't win the championship every year, but all these young men will be highly successful in life when they graduate from one of these fine schools. 

My other impression is how incredibly poor the officiating in this conference is.  Every game I saw, home and away.  Worse than what I was used to watching years Texas 5A high school football.  If there was one thing the AD's in the SCAC should do in this off-season, fix this issue somehow.  Maybe pay more to attract the best.... I don't know the answer.  I expect the AD's should have the answers.  It's their jobs. 

Home this evening from the weekend trip to S.A. and to be honest I got very little sleep last night and not from partying. Tex, I very deeply appreciate your comments regarding the TU/AC game. Friends, two people can see a train wreck and describe it differently, but it is still a train wreck. So while Tex and I may describe the events of yesterday a little differently, believe me - this game was an absolute train wreck!! In this case the differences in our descriptions is definitely secondary to the true issue.

It was a fantastic day in S.A. for a football game. The hosts were outstanding. The setting was grand. The guests were happy to be there. Appreciative fans were set to honor the seniors of both teams as they wrapped up their college football careers. And perhaps most of all the teams did all that they could do to have a spirited, hard fought college football game.

But sadly, almost criminally in my opinion, the game officials utterly destroyed the integrity of the event! I am not a football official, coach, a football player, a sportswriter, athletic director or college administrator. But in my 50 years I have never seen anything like it. And I know that there is nothing we can do about what we saw on the playing field Saturday afternoon. Honestly, I suspect I have not earned the right to add to Tex's earlier specific descriptions on the board - so I will not {though I will gladly converse with ANYONE who wants to know what I would say about what I saw}.

I was literally sick for the young men of Trinity University and Austin College. Particularly for those whose last taste of the college football experience will be from this game. I have tried for more than 24 hours to find the one right word to describe what transpired - looked some up in the dictionary when we got home and so far, have not found one.

I agree 100% with Tex. Based on yesterday if nothing else, something must be done by someone who can to protect the integrity of the schools, the conference and the game.

-- Please forgive me gentlemen if I am out of line. I have tried to speak with passion, but without emotion. Like Tex and TigerDad, I had a son on the field yesterday. So if I cross the line I apologize. I love these athletes and cherrish this game. And I believe the performance and conduct of the game officials at this SCAC game was unconsionable and had to speak up.  -  Sincerely

PS: Tex, your choice of the word "ballistic" was very kind. And please be very clear that I have no issue with the players and fans of Trinity University whatsoever.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 16, 2008, 08:10:09 PM
For what its worth, I've not seen this crew before this year.  I do not believe the game was skewed to the advantage of either team.  They both got some pretty bad calls go against them.  There was also quite a few "no calls" that hurt both teams. 

And, rooski, no need to apologize to us.   We're both calling it as we saw it.  I personally expect college football officiating to be better than high school.  I've not seen it such, not in san Antone, not in Colorado, not in Birmingham, nor in TN.  It's a SCAC-wide issue IMHO.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 16, 2008, 08:34:19 PM
Thank you Tex. I am sure that my comments will be percieved by some as "sour grapes" but the bad taste left from this experience is undeniably from the preposterous officiating. While the 'Roo faithful's response was obviously more vehement, we could not help but feel badly for ALL of the young men yesterday.

See ya next fall...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 16, 2008, 09:07:54 PM
As I was covering the Trinity/Austin College game yesterday for d3football.com, I will concur that the officiating was not the best.  There were some questionable calls and no-calls both ways.  But worse than that, the officals, IMO, lost control of the game.

HAVING SAID THAT...

For the first time ever, I was embarassed to be a part of the Austin College family yesterday (yes, I work for the College and you can get my email address from the College's site if you want to discuss these comments personally).  The way the coaches, fans, and especially the players reacted to the officiating was unquestionably WAY OUT OF LINE.

Fans are going to be fans.  I understand that.  But coaches throwing their hats, swearing and jumping up and down in an animated, juvenile way all day is NOT setting a proper example for their players.  Players screaming obscenities at the officials from the sidelines is UNACCEPTABLE BEHAVIOR.  Why the coaches let this behavior go on is beyond me (though it's pretty hard to rein someone in when you're acting like an arse yourself), but it's really bad when I, as the photographer (who has seen and heard it all), have to turn around and tell the kids to shut up and just play football. 

I'm ashamed for all of them, to be quite honest, and if I had been an official, I'd have run about a half-dozen AC players and coaches out of the game for unsportsmanlike conduct. 

I've honestly not witnessed that type of piss-poor behavior from coaches, players and fans like that since I used to haunt Mid-Atlantic Conference games in my Pennsylvania days.  And I'd hope that the schools in the SCAC are a little more concerned with conduct and reputation than some of the second-tier, "we-let-everybody-in-regardless-of-qualifications" schools in that conference.  I'd be hard pressed to say that after yesterday, though.

I am focusing my comments on Austin College because I was covering the game from their sidelines all day.  From another photographer, though, I understand the coach/player conduct wasn't good on the Trinity side, either.  But I can only credibly comment on what I saw and heard personally, and two wrongs certainly still don't make one right.

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying--I wanted the 'Roos to win.  A victory over Trinity would have been HUGE for the program.  But winning and losing with class is just as important as the final score, and I didn't see a lot of that being displayed yesterday.   :(

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MACCENTRE43 on November 16, 2008, 09:19:12 PM
I haven't been able to post much this fall but congratulations to all the SCAC teams on their seasons.

A special congratulations to Centre on their best year since 2005, first win over Trinity since 2000, and a great finish to the season.  Coach Frye has a young talented group coming back next year and the future looks bright.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 16, 2008, 11:59:57 PM
josh, I was in the TU stands. The fans booed a few times but I assure you I never heard a lot of cursing, if any. My hearing aids allow me to hear a lot of our coaches. Not surebut didn't seem out if line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Josh Bowerman on November 17, 2008, 12:03:04 AM
I'm only speaking of my Austin College bretheren, Tex.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on November 17, 2008, 12:40:51 AM
Josh, I respect your opinion and I am in no means trying to sway you or change your opinion.  This is this just another angle.  I also felt the officating was rather weak.  That would have been weak for HS, much less NCAA football.   They did not cost AC the game.  The Roos were guilty of letting the officiating get to them.   That had more effect on the outcome than the actuall calls. IMO

I feel to be ashamed to be part of the 'Roo family' is a little strong.  I will go as far to say that I support the coaching staff having a little emotion.  I hope the staff and team will cary some of that emotion into the off-season and then into next year.  I feel all successfull programs are made up of player and coaches with a little emotion, grit, guts or whatever you want to call it.  I would be more ashamed if the team and staff showed none of these traits. From what I have seen this year, Coach Gage, his staff and players have shown alot of class.  I am not going to let one afternoon change my opinion. 

Now, the player had no right to curse the officials or any adult.  There is no way to justify that. But we are talking college students. not 9 year old kids in the youth league. I think you would hear the same stuff on every side line above Junior High, if you listened.  I am still of the opinion the AC Football program is a class act.  Not perfect!  But definitely not one to be ashamed of!  Keep fighting I am looking forward to next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 17, 2008, 01:19:36 AM
Haven't had much access to the boards lately but I am not surprised to hear about the SCAC officiating once again taking a downward turn. TU fans don't take this the wrong way since the officiating I witnessed at the MC/TU game didn't really benifit either team but was deplorable to say the least. The common denominator is the SCAC officials not TU. The Millsaps/TU game is the worst officiating I've ever witnessed but it sounds like this weekend takes the cake, don't know, wasn't there, just going by what I see on the boards. It's really difficult to remain calm when calls are made that are completely wrong or infractions occur which aren't flagged that obviously should have been. Unsportsman like conduct is unexcusable....Period! Not a counterpoint but we are HUMAN and emotions can erupt without thought. That is life.
On a seperate note, real sad to see De Pauw didn't get in. The Millsaps Bracket appears to be, based on rankings....etc, the weaker of the bunch. I just hope Millsaps steps it back up a level and gets deep. No reason they shouldn't reach South Final or semi's for that matter, remains to be seen. Good luck MAJORS, lets take the "PURPLE REIGN" to SALEM.....!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2008, 09:21:03 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 15, 2008, 11:31:05 AM
When Millsaps Men's Basketball Coach Tim Wise became the AD at Millsaps several years ago he told me that one day he would like to have a "Bob King Day".  He was referring to Trinity AD Bob King and the success of the entire Trinity sports program--he wanted to walk between all of the athletic fields on a Saturday in the fall or spring and find that all of the Millsaps teams were winning.

Millsaps isn't there yet, but they have really made great strides in the athletic department lately:

--The baseball team was one out away from the College World Series in 2006.
--The basketball team "only" made the final 8 last year, not the final 4, losing to eventually champion Washington U. on Washington's home court.
--The football team has won 3 straight SCAC Championships (co-champs in 2007) and hopefully much more is yet to come this year.
--The soccer teams, while only mid-level in the SCAC, both just finished their best season in a decade.
--The women's basketball team has a real winner in Coach Mary Bolton--look for them to be the surprise team in the SCAC this year.
--Coach Rodriquez had the softball team in the SCAC finals last year, losing 1-0 to a DePauw team that was #1 in the nation.
--And equally important, we have an SID who is doing a great job of getting the word out about these programs which is something these coaches and athletes greatly deserve.

One final word.  I'm around Millsaps athletics a lot, often as an close observer on the sidelines.  While I'm impressed by the recents results during competition, I am even more impressed by the character of the people in the athletic program.  They are a great group of coaches and young men and women and it makes it easy for me to want to devote time to supporting the programs.

I wrote the above Saturday at 11:30 AM in response to a post by pbrooks3.  It quickly got buried by game reports on Saturday and playoff talk on Sunday.  I just thought I'd bring it forward, especially since there may be some non-SCAC folks on the board today trying to get a feel for Millsaps and their athletic program. 

As an aside and for the record, I think the officials at the Millsaps games have been fairly good in recent years.  I'm often on the visitor's sideline when taking photographs and I don't recall any memorable cases of opposing coaches feeling like they were being robbed by the officials--I have heard those complaints in basketball but I think all basketball coaches think they are being cheated by the officials most of the time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TrickyTroy on November 17, 2008, 08:16:32 PM
Lets hope for a Millsap and HSU in south final. It will be a shootout.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2008, 09:55:20 PM
"The Forgotten Man" (or is that Men) had this post on another board and I thought the map showing the location of the 32 playoff teams was amazing.  By the way, the forgotten man will probably be in Jackson this Saturday with the LaGrange fans.  Here's the post:

I am visual kind of guy, so I like to see how things look.

Following is a link to a google map I just created showing the location of all the playoff teams by region.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=109667184306561314872.00045be984ce706684c03

Given that one of the objectives of DIII is to contain costs, much of what the selection commitee did with regard to pairings makes sense. You don't have to like it, but if the cost containment is a heavily weighted decision criteria you can at least understand why they made the pairings they did.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2008, 11:38:10 PM
Frank et al,

Will there be streaming video from Jackson again on Saturday?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 18, 2008, 12:33:18 AM
Ron,
There should be streaming.  The school will need to clear the broadcast with the NCAA, which I'm sure they've done, and I believe that we should be able to tune in. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on November 18, 2008, 12:35:00 AM
There will be definitely be streaming video, but it should be better in person.  I'll be there.  Anyone else?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 18, 2008, 12:51:06 AM
I look forward to watching the majors on the web.  GOod luck Milsaps. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 18, 2008, 05:14:47 AM
Streaming Vid out here in Qatar sucks, so I have to listen for bits and pieces so if someone could post some updates here, it would be much appreciated.

on a seperate note, those of you that have filled out a playoff pick-em bracket off the front page, once you were done, did you have a bunch of line-outs through some of the teams you chose...?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 06:44:45 AM
MajorDad--There was something in the local newspaper Monday that indicated that the game would be broadcast on a local radio station as well and that station can be heard on the internet.  I can't say that this is a certainty but I will post what I find on this later in the week.  It might be that you can link to the radio station easier than trying to stream the video.

For those fans of offensive linemen--and we know you are out there--there is a video on the Millsaps O-line that was put together by CSTV.com and this video can be found on the Millsaps football home page.  Also found on that page is a link to vote for Mike DuBose as the Liberty Mutual Coach of the Year and the link you'll need for the webcast of the football show this Thursday at 7 PM.  Here's the link:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 18, 2008, 09:30:54 AM
Frank, thanks for that radio info. That could be the ticket for some uniterupted audio. Not having DP's soothing voice may cause me to miss something though.....LOL I'd throw a +1 karma at you if I knew how......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 10:08:45 AM
MajorDad--Don't worry.  If it is carried by the radio station it will be 1240 AM which is DP.  I don't know if DP has acquired that soothing voice yet, but Pat will be glad to hear that the broadcasts aren't quite as home-slanted as they might have been during the first year of operation. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on November 18, 2008, 10:16:56 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 17, 2008, 09:55:20 PM
"The Forgotten Man" (or is that Men) had this post on another board and I thought the map showing the location of the 32 playoff teams was amazing.  By the way, the forgotten man will probably be in Jackson this Saturday with the LaGrange fans.  Here's the post:

I am visual kind of guy, so I like to see how things look.

Following is a link to a google map I just created showing the location of all the playoff teams by region.

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?hl=en&gl=us&ie=UTF8&oe=UTF8&msa=0&msid=109667184306561314872.00045be984ce706684c03

Given that one of the objectives of DIII is to contain costs, much of what the selection commitee did with regard to pairings makes sense. You don't have to like it, but if the cost containment is a heavily weighted decision criteria you can at least understand why they made the pairings they did.

I'll be there. Wouldn't dream of missing it.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2008, 10:23:14 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 10:08:45 AM
MajorDad--Don't worry.  If it is carried by the radio station it will be 1240 AM which is DP.  I don't know if DP has acquired that soothing voice yet, but Pat will be glad to hear that the broadcasts aren't quite as home-slanted as they might have been during the first year of operation. :)

Yay. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2008, 12:22:46 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on November 18, 2008, 12:35:00 AM
There will be definitely be streaming video, but it should be better in person.  I'll be there.  Anyone else?

I used a frequent flyer ticket to get there last year, my wife would probably not approve two years running.   ;)

Looks like it will be a beautiful crisp fall day for football.  Current forecast:  Partly cloudy with a high in the mid-50s, after an overnight low in the 30s.  Nothing better than watching a game in person on a day like that. 

Go get 'em, Majors!   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 18, 2008, 12:53:34 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 10:08:45 AM
MajorDad--Don't worry.  If it is carried by the radio station it will be 1240 AM which is DP.  I don't know if DP has acquired that soothing voice yet, but Pat will be glad to hear that the broadcasts aren't quite as home-slanted as they might have been during the first year of operation. :)

This couldn't have been worse than the Williams/Amherst audio from the book "Heartstoppers and Hailmarys"... was it??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on November 18, 2008, 01:40:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2008, 12:22:46 PM

Looks like it will be a beautiful crisp fall day for football.  Current forecast:  Partly cloudy with a high in the mid-50s, after an overnight low in the 30s.  Nothing better than watching a game in person on a day like that. 

Go get 'em, Majors!   

http://www.accuweather.com/us/ms/jackson/39201/forecast.asp?partner=netweather&traveler=1&zipChg=1&metric=0

Go get 'em Panthers!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TE4SAPS80 on November 18, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
Anyone know if playoff tickets are regulated by the home team, or do I have to worry about getting them from some D3 source that regulates all playoff tickets?  Kind of new to the whole hosting a playoff thing, and even newer to having to pay for a ticket thing, if D3 regulates.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 18, 2008, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: TE4SAPS80 on November 18, 2008, 02:27:44 PM
Anyone know if playoff tickets are regulated by the home team, or do I have to worry about getting them from some D3 source that regulates all playoff tickets?  Kind of new to the whole hosting a playoff thing, and even newer to having to pay for a ticket thing, if D3 regulates.

Check back on the Millsaps site later this afternoon, it says the tickets go on sale tomorrow at 12:00, but more information should be forthcoming.  It is new for all of us associated with Millsaps, but not complaining about that!

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 02:50:31 PM
I check the website of the radio station and they are carrying the game.  Here are two links:

The home page of ESPN 1240 AM in Jackson:  http://www.espnradio1240.com/

The next link is the "Listen Live" page and I believe they only webcast their local events, not the national programing.  Right now the station is on the air with a national program and the message at the "Listen Live" link says "this station is currently off the air".  Here's the link and keep in mind that the game starts at noon in the Central Time Zone:

http://www.live365.com/stations/wpbq?site=pro
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 03:10:28 PM
Here's the info that has been sent out just a little while ago from the Millsaps SID--it will be quite prohibitive compared to a typical Millsaps game and I assume that's because they are having to follow the NCAA guidelines.  No photographers inside the 25-yard lines--that's a major bummer:

GAME TIME:  Saturday's Millsaps vs. LaGrange game will kickoff at Noon local time.

TICKETS:
Ticket prices for the NCAA Football Championships are $8 for adults and $4 for students and are available for sale beginning Wednesday, Nov. 19 at Noon in the athletic office located in the Hall Activities Center and the Student Center outside the cafeteria.  Kids two and under are free.  Cash or check only made payable to Millsaps College.  All seats are general admission and can also be purchased at the gate.

NORTH/SOUTH ENDZONE SEATING:
The student section will remain in the South Endzone, however, no outside drinks, food, coolers, tents, couches, grills, etc. will be allowed in either end zone.  Bleachers will be set up in the South and North Endzones for viewing. 

PARKING:
All parking is first-come, first-served outside Harper Davis Field.  With the Capital City Classic (Alcorn State vs. Jackson State) taking place at 1 p.m. at Veterans Memorial Stadium, you might want to leave earlier than normal.

ENTRANCES:
Two gates will be available to enter the stadium ONLY and will open at 10 a.m.  Entrances are available on the West Street side (home/press box side) and Plaza (visitor side) side of the stadium.  There is no re-entry.  You will have to purchase another ticket if you leave the stadium.

TAILGATING:
There will be absolutely no tailgating during the game.  Outside food, beverages, coolers, and tobacco products are grounds for removal from the site of competition and other disciplinary actions.  Spots are available for pregame tailgating in the grass area behind Cabot Lodge (parents) and in the open spaces south and southwest of Harper Davis Field in front of Murrah Hall (students).  The grass areas by the English House and across the cut through are also available for use.

INTERNET/RADIO BROADCAST:
Both Millsaps and LaGrange will cover the game on their respective stations, with Millsaps offering a live webcast on www.atwsportscast.com.  In addition to the webcast for Millsaps, all playoff game(s) can be heard on Jackson's ESPN Radio 1240 AM.  LaGrange College will offer live radio, WTRP 620 AM in LaGrange, Ga., as well as a webcast which is TBD. 

MEDIA:
ALL MEDIA, including Millsaps members, are asked to email Sports Information Director Kevin Maloney to request a pass for entry into the game.  Please pick up your pass at the West Street gate.  No seats will be available in the press box due to home and visitor radio.  Seating for media will be reserved in the North Endzone.  There will also be a spot available in the Skybox if inclement weather approaches.  Photographers must abide by NCAA rules and not shoot inside the 25-yard lines (every game).  Everyone must be credentialed to enter the stadium.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MS Major Fan on November 18, 2008, 05:10:56 PM
Frank,
Thanks for the info......I have been looking off and on since last night.  Where did you find this on the website or did they send it out in an email?

Thanks.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 18, 2008, 05:15:05 PM
Hosting NCAA post-season games are just as hectic as they are fun.  The NCAA produces a championship manual for all sports across all divisions, and this manual pretty much covers it all in terms of what you can and can't do.  Post season playoffs and tournaments are very profitable for the NCAA, which helps its member institutions.  

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2008, 06:17:51 PM
Quote from: consultant on November 18, 2008, 05:15:05 PM
Hosting NCAA post-season games are just as hectic as they are fun.  The NCAA produces a championship manual for all sports across all divisions, and this manual pretty much covers it all in terms of what you can and can't do.  Post season playoffs and tournaments are very profitable for the NCAA, which helps its member institutions.  

Don't think it's really profitable in D3.  Say 2500 tickets are sold for a game (@ $6, $15K) then look at the cost of putting 60 kids and coaches on a plane with last second fares (@ $500, $30K).  Add hotel, add food, add pay for the officials, other incidentals, etc, and you can see why the AA likes to bus as many teams as it can. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 08:52:10 PM
Quote from: MS Major Fan on November 18, 2008, 05:10:56 PM
Frank,
Thanks for the info......I have been looking off and on since last night.  Where did you find this on the website or did they send it out in an email?

Thanks.....

I received it in a email that was forwarded to me from someone at Millsaps, but the info is now on the Millsaps website at:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/111808story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2008, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 03:10:28 PM
Here's the info that has been sent out just a little while ago from the Millsaps SID--it will be quite prohibitive compared to a typical Millsaps game and I assume that's because they are having to follow the NCAA guidelines.  No photographers inside the 25-yard lines--that's a major bummer:

That's a rule for every game, not just the postseason. Consider yourself lucky you've been able to skirt that so far.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 18, 2008, 10:17:11 PM
 
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2008, 06:17:51 PM
Quote from: consultant on November 18, 2008, 05:15:05 PM
Hosting NCAA post-season games are just as hectic as they are fun.  The NCAA produces a championship manual for all sports across all divisions, and this manual pretty much covers it all in terms of what you can and can't do.  Post season playoffs and tournaments are very profitable for the NCAA, which helps its member institutions.  

Don't think it's really profitable in D3.  Say 2500 tickets are sold for a game (@ $6, $15K) then look at the cost of putting 60 kids and coaches on a plane with last second fares (@ $500, $30K).  Add hotel, add food, add pay for the officials, other incidentals, etc, and you can see why the AA likes to bus as many teams as it can. 

Ron, I was speaking more broadly in terms of the profitability of NCAA postseason championships.  It all adds up to be extremely profitable. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 10:53:05 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 18, 2008, 09:26:53 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 03:10:28 PM
Here's the info that has been sent out just a little while ago from the Millsaps SID--it will be quite prohibitive compared to a typical Millsaps game and I assume that's because they are having to follow the NCAA guidelines.  No photographers inside the 25-yard lines--that's a major bummer:

That's a rule for every game, not just the postseason. Consider yourself lucky you've been able to skirt that so far.

Pat--I actually read that rule and thought the reverse of the reality.  When I read "no photographers inside the 25-yard lines", I took it to mean that you couldn't photograph in the areas between the goal and the 25 yard line.  Sort of like when a team has the ball inside the 25-yard line it is between the 25 and the goal.  In hindsight, my first thought didn't make any sense, but that's not so unique for me.

I try to always avoid the area for the team and I'll only creep into that section when everyone else is down on the other end.  With at 50-500 lens on a camera that has a multiplication factor of 1.6, there really is no need to shoot from the middle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 18, 2008, 11:38:07 PM
Frank, you beat me to the proper interpretation.  Photographers must not be inside the 25 yardlines which means that they can't be in what's known as the team bench area.  However, photographers can be positioned between the 25 yard lines and the endzone and even behind the endzone as long as they remain at least 12 feet from the playing field.  Most division I fields have the media areas marked off in chalk around this permissible area.  Millsaps will probably not, but the officials will ask photographers to back up if it becomes a problem.  Frank, behave yourself.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2008, 11:50:36 PM
The only time I misbehave is when I just don't know any better.  Wish you could make the trip to Jackson for a game--according to the map of playoff teams, there's not much D3 action in you neck of the woods.  On a personal note--Travis went under the knife for an ACL repair job last week--the rehab is going well.  You guys need to learn to slow down now that you've hit 30. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 19, 2008, 10:27:10 AM
An article in the today's local newspaper that is as much about LaGrange as it is about Millsaps:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081119/SPORTS030105/811190322/1085
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 19, 2008, 10:39:51 AM
You can also check out the Panthers on Huntingdon's coaches show. (Goto Huntingdon's website, then click on the link for the unofficial website and scroll to the bottom.) I watched it last night and they looked impressive.

The have a couple of good backs. The starter Wallace s a breakaway threat and also good retuen guy. He got hurt and Colt Shope came in and did a nice job. Don't know if Wallace s playing this week but I assume he is.

The quarterback didn't have much in the way of rushing stats coming into the game but broke the pocket for a couple of big first downs (ala Juan). His completion pct isn't great at just over 50%. The outside receivers look pretty solid too.

Their defense looked like it had some speed and slowed down Huntingdon's offense holding them below 300 yards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 19, 2008, 04:18:32 PM
Best of luck to the Majors (and their parents and fans) this weekend!  Congratulations on your hard-earned SCAC title this season ... hope you go deep in the playoffs this year!

See you next season ... in Jackson (again already!?)
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Breckenridgebear on November 19, 2008, 06:49:29 PM
Go get them Majors. Make the SCAC proud.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 20, 2008, 12:46:51 PM
Tex,

I sent you a PM.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 20, 2008, 03:44:10 PM
Schedule of Millsaps webcasts which can be found at:  http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Millsaps%20College.htm

Thursday Night (tonight): 

6:00--A replay of last week's Football Coach's show
7:00--This week's Football Coach's Show

Friday Night:

7:00--The plan at the moment is to do the Millsaps Men's basketball game at Louisiana College

Saturday: 

11:45--The football playoff game with LaGrange.  This starting time might be plus or minus 5 minutes.

ALSO, the ESPN 1240AM is going to broadcast the football game and that internet link can be found in a post I had a page of two ago. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 20, 2008, 05:41:38 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT FOR MILLSAPS AND LAGRANGE FANS:

There is a 60,000 seat statium just north of Millsaps College and there will probably be 50,000 or more fans showing up for the 1:00 game between Jackson State University and Alcorn University.  Parking is a mess around the stadium so people will be showing up early for that 1:00 game and you do not want to get caught up in that mess.

Here's a link to a map of the area: 
http://maps.yahoo.com/;_ylc=X3oDMTExNmIycG51BF9TAzI3MTYxNDkEc2VjA2ZwLWJ1dHRvbgRzbGsDbGluaw--#mvt=m&lat=32.320794&lon=-90.177113&zoom=15

What you will see is Millsaps College in the upper-center of the map and to the north of Millsaps is an area marked as "Fondren District"--that's the location of the stadium.  Woodrow Wilson runs between Millsaps and the stadium and you do not want to get on Woodrow Wilson if you are coming to Millsaps.  Likewise, you don't want to approach Millsaps on a city street from the north because you will hit the stadium gridlock.

What you need to do is exit I-55 somewhere south of Woodrow Wilson.  If the traffic isn't backed up, then exit at Fortification Street, but if traffic is moving slow then you can exit at the two earlier exits, High Street and Pearl.  Regardless of where you exit, you will go a little less than a mile to the west and your road will intersect with N. State Street.  Turn right on N. State Street and that will take you to Millsaps with the least amount of traffic.

Obviously, it will help if you get to Millsaps early.  Also, there shouldn't be a traffic problem leaving the game because the statium game will still be in the second half or in an excessively long halftime show!!! (You SWAC fans know that the people really come to see the bands.)

I hope that helps some fans somewhere and please pass this along to folks who are planning to attend the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on November 21, 2008, 01:30:44 AM
Thanks Frank. I just got back from the Georgia Tech -- Miami game.

I sent the info to parents, administrators, and coaches. Hope they read their email before taking off.

I'll be keeping my eye out for you at the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 21, 2008, 08:17:21 AM
Man I hope the Majors are fired up about this game. I'm sure they remember the 21-0 blanking last playoff game they went to. I'd love nothing more than to see a blow out.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on November 21, 2008, 08:37:22 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 21, 2008, 08:17:21 AM
Man I hope the Majors are fired up about this game. I'm sure they remember the 21-0 blanking last playoff game they went to. I'd love nothing more than to see a blow out.....

:o

???

Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it but in the other direction.  ;)

I hope it is a great game and both teams can walk off the field, holding their heads high, knowing they left it all on the field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 21, 2008, 09:27:08 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 20, 2008, 05:41:38 PM
TRAFFIC ALERT FOR MILLSAPS AND LAGRANGE FANS:

There is a 60,000 seat statium just north of Millsaps College and there will probably be 50,000 or more fans showing up for the 1:00 game between Jackson State University and Alcorn University.  Parking is a mess around the stadium so people will be showing up early for that 1:00 game and you do not want to get caught up in that mess.

Just to echo Frank's post, plan to be in traffic a while on the way to the game. The problem is not with Millsaps, but traffic is always awful downtown when MS Memorial Stadium is almost full. I've only tried it once and it took me an hour to get from the interstate to Millsaps which usually takes a couple minutes. The two stadiums are across the street from one another so it's hard to get around traffic headed to the JSU game.

Usually crowds aren't that big for JSU games but Alcorn is a pretty big game, but you never know because it is an 80-90% walkup crowd and they can have anywhere from 10,000-60,000 for a game. I wouldn't think it would be bad at 11:00 since it's two hours before the JSU kickoff, but it might be getting bad if you plan to arrive at kickoff at 12:00.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 21, 2008, 08:29:39 PM
Best of luck to the Majors and their parents and fans. It's been fun "watching you enjoy the journey". You deserve to go far!

The build up to the playoffs is exciting, even if from a distance. The D1-ers don't know what they're missing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 21, 2008, 11:52:24 PM
Go Majors ... de-claw the Panthers!

D3 RULES, D1 DROOLS.
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 22, 2008, 01:15:09 AM
Quote from: The Forgotten Man on November 21, 2008, 08:37:22 AM
Quote from: MajorDad on November 21, 2008, 08:17:21 AM
Man I hope the Majors are fired up about this game. I'm sure they remember the 21-0 blanking last playoff game they went to. I'd love nothing more than to see a blow out.....

:o

???

Be careful what you ask for, you just might get it but in the other direction.  ;)

I hope it is a great game and both teams can walk off the field, holding their heads high, knowing they left it all on the field.

Im fairly confident.......BRING IT!!!!!!!!!! Ok time for me to  :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 22, 2008, 01:17:01 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 21, 2008, 11:52:24 PM
Go Majors ... de-claw the Panthers!

D3 RULES, D1 DROOLS.
;D

Excellent post.....The SCAC coming together as one.......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbunch on November 22, 2008, 01:51:39 AM
En-route to Jackson...

I hope the Majors take care of business today, I'm sure LaGrange will be pumped for the big game.

The SCAC badly needs a playoff win.

GO MAJORS!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on November 22, 2008, 09:30:44 AM
Good luck today Millsaps from a DePauw alum and fan.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 22, 2008, 01:28:07 PM
With 4:57 remaining in the first quarter, Millsaps leads LaGrange 10-7.

Watching the game LIVE at this URL: http://208.101.39.74/millsaps
(open in Windows Media Player or equivalent)

Good quality video with ESPN Radio audio ...

GO MAJORS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 22, 2008, 01:39:56 PM
At the end of the first quarter, Millsaps leading LaGrange 17-7.  LG has the ball.

UPDATE:
Millsaps scores again on their next possession ... now leads 24-10.
Joseph is 15 of 20 for 179 yards and two TD's.  Wow.

Majors score again on their next drive ... 31-10 with 6 minutes left in 2nd quarter.

:o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 22, 2008, 01:51:13 PM
Majors rolling early in 2nd quarter....lead LaGrange 24-7.  Juan Joseph is 15-20 for 179 yards and 2 TDs.  Millsaps has scored on all four possessions.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 22, 2008, 01:58:34 PM
Majors up 31-7...still in 2nd quarter.  This is fun!  Millsaps has scored on all 5 possessions this half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 22, 2008, 02:01:56 PM
MILLSAPS is fired up. The offense is just unstoppable. Damn shame the feed I'm getting here in the Middle East is bits and pieces, thanks to MajorMom for updating me via AIM. Love ya baby.......LOL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 22, 2008, 02:05:10 PM

Lagrange strikes from pretty far out.  31-14 Majors.  However, now they have to give the ball back to the Majors. 

The Millsaps Defensive line is incredibly fast. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 22, 2008, 02:26:06 PM
Millsaps up 31-14 at halftime....LaGrange scored after Millsaps gambled trying to intercept a pass....just missed the pick....but LaGrange receiver wins footrace to endzone.  This is the 2nd such near pick that resulted in a LaGrange TD today.

Millsaps scored on five of their six possessions in the first half.  Millsaps fumbled inside the five yardline on their sixth possession.  Good first half.  Majors racked up over 400 yards of offense.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 22, 2008, 02:57:00 PM
Still 31-14 Majors with 8 to go in the 3rd quarter.  Millsaps drove down, but took a big loss on a sack.  First punt of the day puts La Grange one their two.  La Grange drove down to Millsaps 40 and went on 4 and 1, Majors take over on downs at their own 40, big momentum change.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 22, 2008, 02:58:31 PM
Two plays later and Millsaps scores again on another Joseph TD.  Score is now 38-14 with 8:06 to go in 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2008, 02:59:39 PM
Watching Millsaps destroy LaGrange (what the heck was that defense where Juan found a wide open receiver with nobody within 15 yards)  - wow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 22, 2008, 03:08:14 PM
La Grange is putting together their best drive of the day, inside the red zone now with a little over 3 to go in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2008, 03:09:40 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 22, 2008, 03:08:14 PM
La Grange is putting together their best drive of the day, inside the red zone now with a little over 3 to go in the 3rd.
One must respect the fight in the LaGrange team!

This is a young team in a young program that has what it takes to become a great power!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2008, 03:11:21 PM
Is Jacob Hanberry the son of our erstwhile SCAC commissioner?

Another 4th down stop by the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 22, 2008, 03:11:35 PM
Millsaps holds La Grange and takes the ball over on downs, this defense is characterized by a bend but not break attitude
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 22, 2008, 03:15:25 PM
End of the 3rd in Jackson, still 38-14, but La Grange threating from the Millsaps 2 yard line, La Grange had a 50 yard run they busted through the middle to get down to the 5 yard line.  Still fighting hard!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2008, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2008, 03:11:21 PM
Is Jacob Hanberry the son of our erstwhile SCAC commissioner?


SCAC website says no.

Big run by LaGrange leads to a first down at the two and a score three plays later.  38-20 early in the 4th (PAT missed).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 22, 2008, 03:18:35 PM
La Grange throws it in on 3rd down, miss the xrta point, score now 38-20 Majors at top of the 4th quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 22, 2008, 03:23:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2008, 03:17:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2008, 03:11:21 PM
Is Jacob Hanberry the son of our erstwhile SCAC commissioner?


SCAC website says no.

Big run by LaGrange leads to a first down at the two and a score three plays later.  38-20 early in the 4th (PAT missed).

And I believe that Dwayne Hanberry is still the SCAC commissioner. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 22, 2008, 03:27:49 PM
38 yard field goal is good for Millsaps, now 41-20 in the 4th.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2008, 03:37:40 PM
LaGrange still fighting, drive inside the Millsaps 35 but fumble and the Majors recover.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2008, 03:48:19 PM
Majors drive to the ten but stall there, another FG makes it 44-20 midway through the fourth.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 22, 2008, 03:51:42 PM
Majors get a pick-6 and go up 51-20 with 5:45 to go in the 4th quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 22, 2008, 03:54:30 PM
Quote from: consultant on November 22, 2008, 03:51:42 PM
Majors get a pick-6 and go up 51-20 with 5:45 to go in the 4th quarter.


UMHB 38-35 on a 33 yd FG.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2008, 04:10:07 PM
Congrats Majors.  Hopefully you can work on defending the slant a bit better next week, but other than that great job today!

We have a tradition of manhandling W&J in the playoffs and fully expect you will keep that tradition alive next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on November 22, 2008, 04:18:29 PM
Congrats Millsaps on the win.  Good luck next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2008, 05:49:24 PM
Stats for the Millsaps and LaGrange game.  LaGrange really didn't get much going with the running game and then the score dictated that they go primarily to the passing game.  The total offense for the game went over 1,000 yards--Millsaps had 400+ yards in the first half.

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-11.HTM
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 22, 2008, 08:16:27 PM
All I can say about Millsaps is WOW!  Congratulations, Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2008, 09:31:12 PM
Millsaps release on today's game:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/112208story.shtml

Regarding LaGrange, I was very impressed with their team.  I don't know how their conference overall would compare with the SCAC, but they as a team would be very competitive in the SCAC.  Mario Wallace, who came into the game with 1,008 rushing yards, only had 4 carries for 14 yards.  That makes me think he was the injured LaGrange running back and I believe he was injured on his second kickoff return, his last play of the first half.  Mario had one carry in the second half, the first offensive play for LaGrange and then he had no more stats.

Personally, I thought LaGrange looked very much like DePauw and we all know what DePauw did in their last game of the season.  They were a good opening test for Millsaps and I'm sure W&J will be a big challenge next week.  I'm also sure that LaGrange will be a big challenge for South region teams in future NCAA playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbunch on November 22, 2008, 09:50:58 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 22, 2008, 03:11:35 PM
Millsaps holds La Grange and takes the ball over on downs, this defense is characterized by a bend but not break attitude

I could not agree more. Defensively, Millsaps does not seem to give up too many long, sustained drives BUT they give up way too many big plays that lead to scores. As they get deeper in the playoffs, they will need all of the offense they can get to offset what they give up on defense. Also, Millsaps seems to give up too many long kick returns. Since they kick off so much, their return teams get quite a workout. But their defense does seem to step up when they need to, and in the end this is truly what matters.

LaGrange played a very good game offensively, but had absolutely no answer for Millsaps' high powered offense. Juan seemed a little off target in the forth quarter but was his usual self for 3 quarters and had a solid game.

Props to the kicking game today, two great punts and both field goals were made. This could be a difference maker in the closer games that are sure to come.

Congrats to the Majors and the SCAC for a playoff win.

I'm looking forward to next Sat. against W&J.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 22, 2008, 09:52:53 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2008, 09:31:12 PM
Millsaps release on today's game:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/112208story.shtml

Regarding LaGrange, I was very impressed with their team.  I don't know how their conference overall would compare with the SCAC, but they as a team would be very competitive in the SCAC.  Mario Wallace, who came into the game with 1,008 rushing yards, only had 4 carries for 14 yards.  That makes me think he was the injured LaGrange running back and I believe he was injured on his second kickoff return, his last play of the first half.  Mario had one carry in the second half, the first offensive play for LaGrange and then he had no more stats.

Personally, I thought LaGrange looked very much like DePauw and we all know what DePauw did in their last game of the season.  They were a good opening test for Millsaps and I'm sure W&J will be a big challenge next week.  I'm also sure that LaGrange will be a big challenge for South region teams in future NCAA playoffs.

Frank,
  Offensively Millsaps did about what I thought they would but I was very impressed with the LaGrange offense. They have quality athletes. This year's LaGrange team would probably fit somewhere in the middle of the ASC, but give them a year or two and they will be a major player in the south region. To go from 0-20 to the team they put on the field today is quite an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on November 22, 2008, 10:38:05 PM
Being the punter for Millsaps mom,  I thank you for your comments about his kicking today. Today it made 14 kicks within the 20 which is great for him.
Major Dad, I love you too.  Hurry home, I miss you a lot
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 22, 2008, 10:48:00 PM
congrats to Millsaps for repping the SCAC with a playoff win   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 22, 2008, 11:03:39 PM
oh and yea, those refs were pretty bad in the AC/TU game.  is it really too much to ask that we have refs that are at least equal to 5A football refs in Texas? 

I agree with everyone that the athletic directors need to look at this in the off season b/c not only is it embarrassing and frustrating to watch players get the games taken away, its going to eventually cause somebody to get hurt.  I saw at least three times this past season when a defensive player clearly speared somebody w/a helmet with no call.  That is flat out unacceptable.

that said, I knew we were going to lose to trinity as soon as we got stuffed on 4th and 1.  We need to work on our red zone offense in Spring b/c it bit us in the ass several times this year not being able to convert for points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on November 22, 2008, 11:44:17 PM
Congrats to Millsaps on a well played game. Hope you go all the way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on November 22, 2008, 11:49:46 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 22, 2008, 09:31:12 PM
Millsaps release on today's game:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/112208story.shtml

Regarding LaGrange, I was very impressed with their team.  I don't know how their conference overall would compare with the SCAC, but they as a team would be very competitive in the SCAC.  Mario Wallace, who came into the game with 1,008 rushing yards, only had 4 carries for 14 yards.  That makes me think he was the injured LaGrange running back and I believe he was injured on his second kickoff return, his last play of the first half.  Mario had one carry in the second half, the first offensive play for LaGrange and then he had no more stats.

Personally, I thought LaGrange looked very much like DePauw and we all know what DePauw did in their last game of the season.  They were a good opening test for Millsaps and I'm sure W&J will be a big challenge next week.  I'm also sure that LaGrange will be a big challenge for South region teams in future NCAA playoffs.

You are right, Mario went down with a repeat of his injury from the Huntingdon game and his back up, Colt Shope, a stalwart receiver too, also went down with an early injury. So did one of our leading tacklers, linebacker Josh Britt.

Frank, it was really a pleasure to meet you today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 23, 2008, 05:50:35 AM
Forgotten Man,

It was good to see you as well before the game.  I was very impressed by the number of fans LaGrange brought to the game and I thought it was a great afternoon of football. 

I've pointed out before some of the similarities between the rise of Millsaps football and LaGrange.  The situation with Mario is another example.  In 2006 when Millsaps went to the playoffs they were turned into a one-dimentional team because their star running back Tyson Roy had been injured late in the season.  The number 2 running back was also out with an injury, leaving Millsaps with only a freshman running back who first saw significant playing time in the 8th game of the season (that freshman, Kenny Metzger, is now a junior and he had 3 carries for 51 yards and a TD yesterday).

Congratulations to the LaGrange program on their success this past season.  It sure seems like the program has laid a solid foundation for great things in the future.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 23, 2008, 06:44:17 AM
Millsaps Represented the SCAC well last night. I didn't get any video of the game and very little audio so Millsaps Mom feed me updates through AIM. I am worried about the special teams coverage on kick offs. those big returns won't do us any good as the competion gets tougher. Joseph had an incredible game. That guy continues to amaze me and our running game gets better with age. I agree our kicking game was spot on last night with Russolini kicking 3 sweet field goals and Lawrimore pinning lagrange at the 2yd line. W&J next up, should be a good one. Now I just need to find a chat log to get on since my significant other will be at the game. GO MAJORS on the road to SALEM....!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 23, 2008, 11:56:15 AM
MajorDad--If I pictures worth a 1,000 words then here's a 3,000 word post for you.  Have safe travels and hopefully you'll be travelling to Salen to watch Will play in a month.

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 23, 2008, 12:18:14 PM
Way to go, Majors...keep it rolling.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on November 23, 2008, 12:47:11 PM
Frank,

I am the other half of MajorDad and I want to thank you for these great pictures. I too was unable to get to the game and these make me feel a little better.  I will be in Jackson on Wed and will be there for the game. Please do say hello if you can find me. I always have on long purple khaki pants, a grey Millsaps football shirt with #37 and Lawrimore printed on the back. I am not hard to miss.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 23, 2008, 05:03:12 PM
Frank, "You Da Man"!
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 23, 2008, 09:59:36 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 23, 2008, 05:03:12 PM
Frank, "You Da Man"!
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What you're doing with your posts on this website for MajorDad and Millsaps Mom is to be applauded.  This made me get emotional when I saw the pictures you posted for them.  You're the king of the SCAC.  Good stuff and excellent pictures!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 23, 2008, 10:55:07 PM
I don't think I did anything that most of you wouldn't have done.  Millsaps has certainly benefited a great deal from my photos over the years, but I don't really take my photos for Millsaps.  I take them for the student-athletes and their parents and I can't think of a more fitting example than to be able to post some photos for MajorDad while he is overseas (and for millsaps mom who couldn't be at the game). 

As my friends and family know, this project has a tendency to take over my life because it is so time consuming, but I have trouble giving it up because I feel like it is important to the students and to Millsaps.  As for the time commitment, I just have to follow the words of Warren Zevon and "I'll sleep when I'm dead", which hopefully won't be anytime soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 24, 2008, 07:57:14 AM
Frank,
I am sorry I have not replied sooner. I really appreciate you posting those pics. My wife and I have done everything we can to get to as many games as possible because, like most parents of DIII football players, we know that it will end at graduation, and for my wife and I, Will is our only child. I have spent most of his childhood and short span of adulthood, deployed with the NAVY for 24 years and now as a GOV contractor with CENTRAL COMMAND. Frank, this is not the first time I have had to fight through the tears over receiving pictures of him growing up, playing sports, going to a the Prom.....etc and I don't suspect it will be the last. So while it may be a small token for some, it measures far greater for me. Thanks Man, I really appreciate it.........
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2008, 08:26:11 AM
MajorDad and millsaps mom, I am glad to do my little bit to help and I appreciate your kind words.  We've actually met in the past and had a brief conversation.  It was after the Belhaven game and you both were in front of me wearing your shirts that clearly indicated that #37 was your favorite player.  I caught up with you and said that Will's 77-yard punt in the second half was the turning point of the game.  That punt helped break open a very close game, the closest game that Millsaps has played this season.

NOW, getting back to just Millsaps football, the local newspaper had an interesting article following the game in which Coach DuBose says that he had hopes of Millsaps competing for a championship in his third season, but he thought it would be competing for the SCAC championship and not the NCAA championship.  They also have a photo gallery by Vicki King, a photographer who always does great sports work.  Here are the links:

Story:  http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081123/SPORTS030105/811230345/1085

Photo Gallery:  http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=D0&Dato=20081122&Kategori=SPORTS&Lopenr=811220811&Ref=PH
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 24, 2008, 06:13:53 PM
All is quiet on the "Southern" front with this board.  Any thoughts on how Millsaps will match up with W&J? 

Obviously no common opponents to start with here.  I really have not taken the time to see how the teams match up in terms of size, speed, stats., etc.  I will try to dig some more throughout the week, but curious what others think?  I would venture to say Coach Dubose is making some adjustments to the D this week, espcially defending the short middle stuff and not giving up the long gainers.  This is really where La Grange took advantage last weekend.  Will be interesting to see if that remains an achilles heel this week for the Majors.  I would also bet kickoff coverage is being stressed this week!

I think enough has been said about Frank and his dedication to the school, this website, and the conference, but I will throw in my thanks again to Frank as well!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2008, 11:34:19 PM
Thanks, exmajor.

For those who are interested, I do have the photos from the LaGrange game posted to the new Millsaps photo site.  The address for the home page of the new site is in the signature area down below, but the direct address to the album with the LaGrange photos is:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/gallery/6644993_8TvCL#423984412_pmJfB

(It's a lot of photos but I was trying to get as many of the players as I could.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 25, 2008, 01:41:35 AM
Anyone heard when the SCAC will name it's 2008 All SCAC team and POTY? Just asking since they came out NOV 20 last year......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 25, 2008, 06:06:58 AM
MajorDad, I was wondering the same thing ... I sent a message to the SCAC via their website, but received no reply.  Maybe they're waiting to see how far Millsaps advances in the playoffs.  Are you hoping we have to wait a few more weeks?  Guess we'll just have to be patient ...  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 25, 2008, 06:54:33 AM
If thats what the hold up is, I hope it doesn't come out till DEC 21st.....LOL Just figured that the awards were based on regular season.........
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 25, 2008, 03:30:05 PM
All-SCAC announcement should be out later today or first thing Wednesday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MS Major Fan on November 25, 2008, 06:12:34 PM
This is really big for Divison III footbal and especially for Millsaps but most of all for a great young man -- Juan Joseph.   The Cellular South Conerly Trohpy is for the best college football player in the State of Mississippi!!    For the first time ever -- a Division III player is one of the 3 nominees for the Award!!!   


Congratulations Juan!

This was posted on the Clarion-Ledger Web site:


There will not be a repeat winner of the Cellular South Conerly Trophy, but there might be a historic winner.

Among the finalists announced today for the award that honors Mississippi's top college football player are an offensive lineman (tackle Michael Oher of Ole Miss) and a player from a Division III school (Millsaps quarterback Juan Joseph).

The other finalist is Ole Miss defensive tackle Peria Jerry. Not among the finalists, chosen by a panel of 57 media representatives from around the state, was 2007 winner Damion Fletcher, the Southern Miss running back who has been hampered by a hamstring injury this season but has still cracked the 1,000-yard mark for the year and during the season became the school's career rushing leader while only a junior.

Oher is the first offensive lineman and Joseph the first player from a Division III school picked as finalists in the 13-year history of the trophy.

The winner will be announced at a ceremony on Dec. 2 in Clarksdale, the home town of the late Charlie Conerly, the former Ole Miss quarterback for whom the trophy is named.

All three finalists are seniors.

Joseph has thrown for 3,130 yards and 31 touchdowns with just six interceptions. He has run for 390 yards and four more TDs, leading Millsaps to a 10-0 record and into the second round of the NCAA Division III playoffs.

Jerry and Oher have been instrumental in Ole Miss' turnaround season, helping the Rebels build a 7-4 record heading into Friday's Egg Bowl battle against Mississippi State.

Jerry is second in the SEC in tackles for loss with 13 and has four sacks.

Oher, one of three finalists for the Outland Trophy as college football's top interior lineman, has started 45 consecutive games for the Rebels. He's twice been named SEC offensive lineman of the week this season. Ole Miss ranks third in the SEC in total offense and has allowed just 13 sacks in 11 games.

Voters in the preliminary round were charged with selecting three players. The same voters will choose one name from the finalists.

Nineteen players received at least one vote. In addition to the finalists, others receiving votes, in alphabetical order, included:

Wide receiver DeAndre Brown of USM; quarterback Austin Davis of USM; running back Trevar Deed of Delta State; quarterback Garrett DeWitt of Delta State; running back Anthony Dixon of Mississippi State; linebacker Dominic Douglas of Mississippi State; USM's Fletcher; defensive end Greg Hardy of Ole Miss; linebacker Lardester Hicks-Green of Delta State; wide receiver Dexter McCluster of Ole Miss; linebacker Gerald McRath of Southern Miss; safety Derek Pegues of Mississippi State; receiver Chad Schroeder of Delta State; quarterback Jevan Snead of Ole Miss; linebacker Marcellus Speaks of Jackson State; and wide receiver Mike Wallace of Ole Miss.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 25, 2008, 08:30:24 PM
Please accept my wishes for a Happy Thanksgiving to each one of you. There are many blessings among us!!

D3, and particularly SCAC athletes, coaches, trainers, and A/D staffs - THANK YOU for spending the blood-sweat-and tears to make our Saturdays such a great experience! We cannot walk in your shoes, but someday you may walk in ours and will understand how special you are to us.

Moms and dads - thank you for the sacrifices you've made that have allowed us to enjoy your sons college football careers.

MajorDad - thank you for what you do for all of us.

D3Football.com - thank you for providing this venue.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 25, 2008, 08:42:07 PM
QuoteThis is really big for Divison III footbal and especially for Millsaps but most of all for a great young man -- Juan Joseph.   The Cellular South Conerly Trohpy is for the best college football player in the State of Mississippi!!    For the first time ever -- a Division III player is one of the 3 nominees for the Award!!!   

SUPER!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 26, 2008, 12:11:53 AM
Quote from: MS Major Fan on November 25, 2008, 06:12:34 PM
This is really big for Divison III footbal and especially for Millsaps but most of all for a great young man -- Juan Joseph.   The Cellular South Conerly Trohpy is for the best college football player in the State of Mississippi!!    For the first time ever -- a Division III player is one of the 3 nominees for the Award!!!   


Congratulations Juan!

This was posted on the Clarion-Ledger Web site:


There will not be a repeat winner of the Cellular South Conerly Trophy, but there might be a historic winner.

Among the finalists announced today for the award that honors Mississippi's top college football player are an offensive lineman (tackle Michael Oher of Ole Miss) and a player from a Division III school (Millsaps quarterback Juan Joseph).

The other finalist is Ole Miss defensive tackle Peria Jerry. Not among the finalists, chosen by a panel of 57 media representatives from around the state, was 2007 winner Damion Fletcher, the Southern Miss running back who has been hampered by a hamstring injury this season but has still cracked the 1,000-yard mark for the year and during the season became the school's career rushing leader while only a junior.

Oher is the first offensive lineman and Joseph the first player from a Division III school picked as finalists in the 13-year history of the trophy.

The winner will be announced at a ceremony on Dec. 2 in Clarksdale, the home town of the late Charlie Conerly, the former Ole Miss quarterback for whom the trophy is named.

All three finalists are seniors.

Joseph has thrown for 3,130 yards and 31 touchdowns with just six interceptions. He has run for 390 yards and four more TDs, leading Millsaps to a 10-0 record and into the second round of the NCAA Division III playoffs.

Jerry and Oher have been instrumental in Ole Miss' turnaround season, helping the Rebels build a 7-4 record heading into Friday's Egg Bowl battle against Mississippi State.

Jerry is second in the SEC in tackles for loss with 13 and has four sacks.

Oher, one of three finalists for the Outland Trophy as college football's top interior lineman, has started 45 consecutive games for the Rebels. He's twice been named SEC offensive lineman of the week this season. Ole Miss ranks third in the SEC in total offense and has allowed just 13 sacks in 11 games.

Voters in the preliminary round were charged with selecting three players. The same voters will choose one name from the finalists.

Nineteen players received at least one vote. In addition to the finalists, others receiving votes, in alphabetical order, included:

Wide receiver DeAndre Brown of USM; quarterback Austin Davis of USM; running back Trevar Deed of Delta State; quarterback Garrett DeWitt of Delta State; running back Anthony Dixon of Mississippi State; linebacker Dominic Douglas of Mississippi State; USM's Fletcher; defensive end Greg Hardy of Ole Miss; linebacker Lardester Hicks-Green of Delta State; wide receiver Dexter McCluster of Ole Miss; linebacker Gerald McRath of Southern Miss; safety Derek Pegues of Mississippi State; receiver Chad Schroeder of Delta State; quarterback Jevan Snead of Ole Miss; linebacker Marcellus Speaks of Jackson State; and wide receiver Mike Wallace of Ole Miss.


Saw this as I was coming into the site this morning, this is awesome and well deserved. That young man has provided us with some amazing performances over the last three years. He deserves everything he gets this year as does the rest of his team. GO JUAN and GO MAJORS!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 26, 2008, 04:42:36 AM
And to back that post up, CONGRATs to Joseph on being selected among the 10 finalists for the Galardi trophy........WELL DONE!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MS Major Fan on November 26, 2008, 10:49:05 AM
Just read that about the Gagliardi Trophy....I think that it is a sign of GOOD things to come!  Congratulations Juan -- you deserve it all!!  Congratulations to the rest of the Majors!  You are the real deal and we are looking forward to the best that is yet to come!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 26, 2008, 10:56:53 AM
2008 All-SCAC Football Team is posted:

http://www.scacsports.com (http://www.scacsports.com)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 26, 2008, 11:38:46 AM
Quote from: scacsid on November 26, 2008, 10:56:53 AM
2008 All-SCAC Football Team is posted:

http://www.scacsports.com (http://www.scacsports.com)

Appears MILLSAPS has been busy doing some sweeping........
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on November 26, 2008, 01:54:01 PM
Didn't realize Millsaps had so many seniors. Of of their 13 position players who earned 1st or 2nd Team All-SCAC honors, 10 of them are seniors. Three of their five honorable mention selections are also seniors. That is a great class of players, and a lot to replace next season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 26, 2008, 02:14:04 PM
QuoteDidn't realize Millsaps had so many seniors. Of of their 13 position players who earned 1st or 2nd Team All-SCAC honors, 10 of them are seniors. Three of their five honorable mention selections are also seniors. That is a great class of players, and a lot to replace next season.

Conversely, of the 12 DePauw players on the first or second teams, 8 are back next season; 3 of 5 HM selections are coming back as well. Lots of talent returning to Greencastle.

Millsaps wil have alot to replace but I have no doubt that Coach Dubose will have some players tough and talented players who will step up. Until somebody knocks them off, they are the champs...for a reason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 26, 2008, 03:32:02 PM
I don't know if many people will check the board to catch this in time, but the Millsaps Football Coach's show will be tonight instead of on Thursday.  It's the usual schedule with last week's show being repeated at 6 Central time and this week's show starting at 7.  It has really been a good feature this season and I just wish more Millsaps fans knew about the program.  Here's the link:

http://www.atwsportscast.com/Colleges/Players/Millsaps%20College.htm

OPPS!  I forgot to wish everyone a Happy Thanksgiving to to wish all the Millsaps fans and W&J fans safe travel as they go to and from the game this Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 26, 2008, 04:13:33 PM
Direct link to the full-size .PDF of the 2008 SCAC All-Conference Football Team:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/all-SCAC/2008allscacfootball.pdf?dec=

Congratulations to all these young men and their coaches ...

HAPPY THANKSGIVING TO ALL!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 26, 2008, 05:15:01 PM
Happy Thanksgiving Everyonel!

I have been reading the Board for over a year now and am now taking a leap into participating!

Thanks to all the contributors who have helped increase my knowledge about D3 ball. 

The 'sweeping' comment for Millsaps was pretty clever!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: nb8608 on November 26, 2008, 10:13:24 PM
First time poster, long time reader. 

Not a whole lot of talk about the game this week.  I guess that's not surprising with two teams who know nothing about the other.  A quick glance of the stats tells me that W&J will be a big test for the Millsaps defense.  They have a QB who has actually put up bigger numbers than Joseph, a running back who has rushed for over 1,000 yards, a big receiver who has 1,000 yards and 16 touchdowns, and another receiver with 900 yards.  The team stats on offense are pretty similar to Millsaps' with the latter preferring to have several backs and receivers shoulder the load.

Any lurking W&J people care to give a little info?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 27, 2008, 08:28:08 AM
Quote from: nb8608 on November 26, 2008, 10:13:24 PM
First time poster, long time reader. 

Not a whole lot of talk about the game this week.  I guess that's not surprising with two teams who know nothing about the other.  A quick glance of the stats tells me that W&J will be a big test for the Millsaps defense.  They have a QB who has actually put up bigger numbers than Joseph, a running back who has rushed for over 1,000 yards, a big receiver who has 1,000 yards and 16 touchdowns, and another receiver with 900 yards.  The team stats on offense are pretty similar to Millsaps' with the latter preferring to have several backs and receivers shoulder the load.

Any lurking W&J people care to give a little info?

Here's a press release off the front page that gives a good run down of W&J...

http://www.d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=2740

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2008, 11:32:30 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to all!

Impeach the Presidents!   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 28, 2008, 09:13:39 AM
It's raining in Jackson this morning and it looks like it will be lousy all day with rain into the night.  Tomorrow should be better with the chance of rain down to just 40% and a predicted high of 61.  If we do get rain tomorrow, it will be interesting to see how the high powered passing game of each team deals with the situation.  The field is artificial turf so field conditions shouldn't be too much of a problem.

For anyone in town who is looking for something to do, the Millsaps men's basketball team has a game this evening at 7:00 against Wesley College.  The admission price is the always affordable "Free Admission" and there will be plenty of prime seating since most of the students have gone home for the Thanksgiving Holiday.  I hope some of those students will be returning for tomorrow's playoff game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2008, 10:37:13 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 28, 2008, 09:13:39 AM

For anyone in town who is looking for something to do, the Millsaps men's basketball team has a game this evening at 7:00 against Wesley College.  The admission price is the always affordable "Free Admission" and there will be plenty of prime seating since most of the students have gone home for the Thanksgiving Holiday.  I hope some of those students will be returning for tomorrow's playoff game.

Or go to Vicksburg and visit the USS Cairo and the Vicksburg battlefield!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on November 28, 2008, 11:30:02 AM
I heard that the Millsaps football team will be eating dinner at the Cabot lodge tonight. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 28, 2008, 11:33:51 AM
Here's an AP story (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=491125) on Coach DuBose that I saw in today's SA paper. 

I would link an excerpt here except for the fact that the AP doesn't believe in fair use, demanding payment if more than five words are used. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on November 28, 2008, 12:05:20 PM
Gee, one has to wonder why Joseph wasn't a unanimous selecton!?! ???  Maybe they use different rubric in TX.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 28, 2008, 12:13:15 PM
Quote from: millsaps mom on November 28, 2008, 11:30:02 AM
I heard that the Millsaps football team will be eating dinner at the Cabot lodge tonight. 

Now we're talking!  Gotta love the Jackson Cabot Lodge.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 28, 2008, 12:15:21 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 28, 2008, 11:33:51 AM
Here's an AP story (http://www.sportingnews.com/yourturn/viewtopic.php?t=491125) on Coach DuBose that I saw in today's SA paper. 

I would link an excerpt here except for the fact that the AP doesn't believe in fair use, demanding payment if more than five words are used. 

Here is a five-word pull quote from the DuBose story!

Quote"There's a calling on you."
--Coach Mike DuBose

Great article!

Like so many other coaches in the profession...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 28, 2008, 01:06:36 PM
Quote from: Jawbreaker on November 28, 2008, 12:05:20 PM
Gee, one has to wonder why Joseph wasn't a unanimous selecton!?! ???  Maybe they use different rubric in TX.

Or maybe someone from TN, IN, KY, GA, etc. voted for someone else.  Don't go around casting stones that don't need to be cast.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 28, 2008, 01:55:59 PM
Or, maybe someone in Jackson voted for Chris Baer.  I don't know if it applies in all voting, but I thought a team could not vote for a player on their own team. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jawbreaker on November 28, 2008, 05:05:28 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 28, 2008, 01:55:59 PM
Or, maybe someone in Jackson voted for Chris Baer.  I don't know if it applies in all voting, but I thought a team could not vote for a player on their own team. 

Thanks Frank,  I didn't think of that, at least that explanation makes sense. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 28, 2008, 07:00:26 PM

I just read the game notes for tommorrow's game, which are compiled by W&J. 

Now that is a program.

Spanning two head coaches and 24 years, their level of success is just incredible.  The national championship is something that has eluded them, but schools that have beaten them in the Stagg Bowl- Albion, Wisconsin-LaCrosse- have come and gone from contention and the Presidents are still there.  Being so far removed from their territory, you don't realize what is really going on elsewhere.  One could still say that what Trinity has accomplished over the last 15 years is impressive, this year included, but it will be interesting to see if in ten years the Tigers are still in position to compete in the playoffs every year like W&J has.  20 appearances in the last 24 years!  Not even Mt Union can boast that. 

I doubt they're used to travelling so far, but I'm pretty sure that this is going to be a knockdown drag out game, especially if the rain keeps up. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 29, 2008, 12:11:37 AM
TU I also was reading that article and their history of late is quite impressive. Rain or shine I think this game will be a battle. Their playoff experience alone gives them an edge Millsaps hasn't faced.
Millsaps has made unbelievable progress over the last three years. A really nice story. However, Cinderella stories are a rare event and if it ended today for us I don't think any of the fans would be let down. These seniors have provided us some exciting moments that you would be hard pressed to find a previous Millsaps class that would rate with it. These guys deserve everything they get and I hope the story ends in Salem. If not, I'll still hoist a beer, smile and think back to the 13 straight wins that got us here. GO MAJORS!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 29, 2008, 01:28:25 AM
From a Centre and Hendrix fan living next to Rhodes, I am happy to hoist one for the Majors tomorrow on their quest to get to Salem. Good luck Millsaps against W & J.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: majorsfan on November 29, 2008, 03:58:59 AM
Congrats to all of the All-SCAC selections, but especially my MAJORS!

Austin (11)
QB Andy Braly/5'11"/195/Jr./North Richland Hills, Texas (HM)
WR Evan Coachman/6'2"/200/So./Frisco, Texas (2nd)
DB Matt Finke/5'9"/175/Sr./Denison, Texas (1st)
RB Ross Hasten/5'11"/190/Sr./Lewisville, Texas (1st)
OT Austin Light/6'2"/260/So./Collinsville, Texas (HM)
RB Zach Mamot/5'8"/180/Sr./Richardson, Texas (HM)
LB Scooter Means/6'0"/227/Sr./Denison, Texas (2nd)
DT Marcos Rosalez/6'2"/240/Fr./Beeville, Texas (HM)
LB Andy Stowe/6'1"/224/Jr./Richardson, Texas (HM)
P Josh Willis/5'11"/165/So./Conway, Arkansas (2nd)
OT Allen Wise/6'3"/250/Jr./Dallas, Texas (1st)

BSC (11)
RB Walter Arrington/5'7"/175/So./Bessemer, Alabama (1st)
WR Luke Chapman/6'3"/175/Fr./Vestavia Hills, Alabama (HM)
DT Bobby Gray/6'2"/252/Jr./Raleigh, Mississippi (HM)
P Drew Jackson/6'2"/217/Sr./Oneonta, Alabama (2nd)
DE Jeremy Jones/6'0"/210/So./Loganville, Georgia (1st)
OL Jonathan Jones/6'3"/225/So./Chelsea, Alabama (HM)
LB David Kelley/5'11"/212/So./Marietta, Georgia (2nd)
RB David Langston/6'1"/185/So./Holt, Florida (2nd)
DB Brad Stockdale/5'10"/175/So./Birmingham, Alabama (HM)
QB Joe Thigpen/6'2"/220/So./Crestview, Florida (2nd)
WR Tay Walker/5'6"/152/Jr./Birmingham, Alabama (HM)

Centre (16)
OL Alex Becker/6'3"/272/Jr./Cincinnati, Ohio (HM)
OT Brian Coxen/6'2"/270/Sr./Louisville, Kentucky (2nd)
OG Dan Fox/5'10"/280/Jr./Deltona, Florida (2nd)
DE Tim Groh/6'2"/224/Jr./Lebanon, Ohio (2nd)
LB Adam Hay/6'2"/220/Sr./Cincinnati, Ohio (1st)
DT Graham Herron/6'0"/246/Jr./Henderson, Kentucky (HM)
WR Tyler Hinkel/6'0"/176/Sr./Lexington, Kentucky (HM)
DT Neil Murphy/5'10"/259/Sr./Shelbyville, Kentucky (HM)
QB Tyler Osterman/6'1"/180/Fr./Monroe, Ohio (2nd/Co-Newcomer otY)
RB Jonathan Pinque/5'10"/175/Fr./Athens, Alabama (1st)
DB Zack Sloan/5'11"/196/Jr./Lebanon, Indiana (2nd)
LB Brian Sneed/6'0"/189/Jr./Hendersonville, Tennessee (2nd)
C Dan Spoelker/6'0"/254/Sr./Louisville, Kentucky (2nd)
DB Sean Swallen/6'0"/198/Jr./Cincinnati, Ohio (2nd)
DB Alex Ubelhart/6'3"/217/Sr./Louisville, Kentucky (2nd)
LB Jacob Vaughn/5'10"/192/Sr./Joelton, Tennessee (HM)

Colorado College (9)
DL Alpha Anderson/6'1"/259/So./Bakersfield, California (HM)
FB Sean Farrell/6'2"/217/Jr./Houston, Texas (2nd)
LB Buddy Ferreira/6'1"/205/Sr./Aurora, Colorado (HM)
P Martin Golobic/6'2"/175/Sr./Cedar Rapids, Iowa (2nd)
OT Chris Jarmon/5'11"/250/Fr./Boulder, Colorado (HM)
DE Ian Rivero/6'2"/240/Jr./Miami, Florida (2nd)
DB Brendan Ross/5'11"/194/Fr./Colorado Springs, Colorado (2nd)
LB Josh Underwood/6'1"/222/Sr./South Pasadena, California (HM)
DB Mike Wendorf/5'10"/170/So./Granada Hills, California (HM)

DePauw (17)
LB Tarren Collins/5'10"/219/Jr./St. Louis, Missouri (HM)
WR Brayden Dahlstrom/6'1"/184/So./Coatesville, Indiana (HM)
QB Spud Dick/5'11"/175/Jr./Indianapolis, Indiana (2nd)
DT Tyler Doane/6'0"/245/So./Valparaiso, Indiana (2nd)
OT Casey Ellinger/6'4"/299/Sr./Des Peres, Missouri (1st)
RB Jon Ellis/5'10"/208/Fr./Berkeley, Illinois (HM)
DE Alex Fitch/6'3"/230/Jr./Long Grove, Illinois (2nd)
WR Chris Gasbarra/6'4"/198/Sr./Oklahoma City, Oklahoma (HM)
K Jordan Havercamp/6'0"/171/Jr./Indianapolis, Indiana (2nd)
DB Marc Hoeppner/5'10"/185/Sr./Woodburn, Indiana (HM)
DT Ryan Huffman/6'0"/230/So./Carmel, Indiana (2nd)
WR Alex Koors/6'3"/170/So./Indianapolis, Indiana (1st)
OT Eric Lundorf/6'2"/257/Sr./Granger, Indiana (2nd)
DE Michael McNelis/6'/235/Sr./Indianapolis, Indiana (1st)
WR Brian Mulligan/5'11"/180/Jr./Elmhurst, Indiana (2nd)
DB Steve Valdiserri/5'9"/164/Fr./Indianapolis, Indiana (2nd)
C Ian Yearwood/6'1"/255/Sr./Brownsburg, Indiana (1st)

Millsaps (20)
DE Denarold Anderson/6'/250/Sr./Edgar, Louisiana (1st)
RB Shane Bowser/5'8"/190/Fr./Pass Christian, Mississippi (1st/Co-Newcomer otY)
DB Jonathan Brooks/5'8"/175/Sr./Roxie, Mississippi (1st)
WR Michael Galatas/5'9"/159/So./Lacombe, Louisiana (1st/Special teams PotY)
DB Jacob Hanberry/6'1"/177/Sr./Cut Off, Louisiana (1st)
DB Marcus Harris/5'9"/175/Sr./Vicksburg, Mississippi (1st)
QB Juan Joseph/6'2"/188/Sr./Edgar, Louisiana (1st/Offensive PotY)
LB Lee Klein/5'11"/219/Jr./Lakeshore, Mississippi (1st)
P Will Lawrimore/5'8"/169/Jr./Tampa, Florida (1st)
WR Eric McCarty/6'0"/186/Sr./Grand Prairie, Texas (1st)
WR Burt Pereira/6'0"/157/Sr./Bush, Louisiana (HM)
K Taylor Russolino/6'0"/170/So./Metairie, Louisiana (1st)
WR Raymece Savage/5'9"/197/Sr./Monroe, Louisiana (2nd)
OG John Shivers/6'1"/278/Jr./Somerville, Alabama (1st)
DB Michael Sims/6'0"/170/Sr./Louisville, Mississippi (HM)
FB Chris Skinner/5'8"/212/So./Meridian, Mississippi (HM)
DE Marcus Stokes/6'1"/231/Sr./Vicksburg, Mississippi (HM)
OG Andres Wallace/6'0"/300/Sr./Boynton Beach, Florida (1st)
LB Cap White/5'10"/210/Sr./Natchez, Mississippi (2nd)
OT Adam Williams/6'3"/260/So./New Orleans, Louisiana (HM)

Rhodes (10)
DB Andy Boucher/5'9"/184/Jr./Germantown, Tennessee (HM)
LB Desmond Hendricks/6'1"/235/Sr./Chattanooga, Tennessee (1st)
DB Chip Hilley/5'11"/197/Sr./Marietta, Georgia (HM)
RB Charles Hoggard/5'10"/200/Sr./Greenville, North Carolina (2nd)
OT Joey Hollenbeck/6'2"/265/So./Canton, Mississippi (2nd)
OL Nick Margello/5'11"/263/Sr./Moutainside, New Jersey (HM)
DL Marc Mattioli/6'4"/239/Sr./Roswell, Georgia (HM)
TE Brad Muller/6'1"/208/Sr./Luling, Louisiana (HM)
LB Mason Mosby/6'0"/210/Sr./Hernando, Mississippi (1st/Defensive PotY)
DB Tom Oliver/5'9"/160/Sr./Austin, Texas (1st)

Sewanee (11)
WR Bruce Bentley6'1"/195/Sr./Lynchburg, Virginia (HM)
DB Tyler Brantley/6'2"/195/Sr./Athens, Georgia (2nd)
DB Chalankis Brown/5'10"/170/So./Millbrook, Alabama (1st)
DT Jeremy Character/6'2"/315/Jr./Marietta, Georgia (1st)
DE Bakari Faulkner/5'11'/205/Fr./Baton Rouge, Louisiana (HM)
K Andrew Gould/5'10"/170/Sr./Chatsworth, Georgia (2nd)
DB Stuart Rast/5'7"/145/Jr./Atlanta, Georgia (2nd)
DL Karl Rogers/6'2"/255/Jr./Tullahoma, Tennessee (HM)
C Ben Scott/6'1"/245/Sr./Nashville, Tennessee (HM)
QB Patrick Shelton/6'1"/215/Jr./Hickory, North Carolina (HM)
LB Andrew Walters/6'0"/185/Fr./Huntsville, Alabama (2nd)

Trinity (17)
DB Bobby Adamson/6'1"/175/Jr./Nacogdoches, Texas (2nd)
RB Chris Baer/6'0"/211/Sr./Shiner, Texas (1st)
DL Jeff Carapetyan/6'0"/208/Jr./Mesquite, Texas (HM)
LB Kyle Coats/5'8"/189/Jr./Georgetown, Texas (2nd)
WR Chris Coleman/5'11"/190/Sr./Lampasas, Texas (2nd)
WR Riley Curry/6'0"/188/Sr./Sugar Land, Texas (1st)
RB Al Furlow/5'11"/206/Jr./Chesapeake Beach, Maryland (HM)
LB Dennis Grebe/6'0"/231/Jr./Bay City, Texas (2nd)
OG Jordan Hooten/6'0"/231/Sr./Robinson, Texas (2nd)
OL Josh Hooten/6'0"/265/Jr./Robinson, Texas (HM)
DT Ryan Johnson/6'0"/235/Sr./Houston, Texas (1st)
K Peter Licalzi/5'9"/150/Sr./Houston, Texas (2nd)
OT Wade Lytal/6'2"/277/Sr./Houston, Texas (1st)
DL Ronald Satterthwaite/6'0"/218/Sr./Dallas, Texas (HM)
DE Will Smith/6'0"/216/Sr./Dallas, Texas (1st)
WR Shawn Thompson/6'1"/170/Sr./New Braunfels, Texas (HM)
QB Bryant Wilson/6'4"/191/Sr./Plano, Texas (2nd)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2008, 08:03:44 AM
majorsfan, all of that work definitely deserves a karma +1.

I'll agree that the W&J tradition is a plus, but every great program has to start somewhere and the Millsaps teams of the last 3 years have laid down a solid foundation.  One plus that Millsaps will have today is extra time to prepare for the game.  W&J had a long trip and I don't know and I wouldn't be surprised if the Thanksgiving holiday made it a little more difficult.  Also, it did rain most of the day yesterday so that would make any last minute walk throughs a little more difficult.

It is still raining in Jackson at 7AM.  The chance of rain has been moved up from the 40% predicted yesterday to 80% today, but I think that is mostly morning showers with the rain ending in the afternoon (hopefully).  The high will be in the lower 60's.  Not the greatest of weather, but I'm sure it is better than a lot of the other locations and in the 60's at the end of November is pretty good.

One last thing that I'll look for in the game today.  As is the case with many teams still in the playoffs, Millsaps has often trottled back on the offense in the second half, even when the 1st stringers are in the game.  Last week was a good example with 400 yards of offense in the first half and less than 200 yards in the second half.  I expect that Millsaps will have to keep the pedal to the metal on offense all day today and it will be interesting to see what that looks like for 4 complete quarters.  I won't be surprised to see 50 plus passes from Millsaps today and maybe 100 passes total for the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2008, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2008, 08:03:44 AM
majorsfan, all of that work definitely deserves a karma +1.

...

One last thing that I'll look for in the game today.  As is the case with many teams still in the playoffs, Millsaps has often trottled back on the offense in the second half, even when the 1st stringers are in the game.  Last week was a good example with 400 yards of offense in the first half and less than 200 yards in the second half.  I expect that Millsaps will have to keep the pedal to the metal on offense all day today and it will be interesting to see what that looks like for 4 complete quarters.  I won't be surprised to see 50 plus passes from Millsaps today and maybe 100 passes total for the game.
...because Bobby Swallow can "bring it"!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 29, 2008, 10:59:50 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2008, 09:33:16 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2008, 08:03:44 AM
majorsfan, all of that work definitely deserves a karma +1.

...

One last thing that I'll look for in the game today.  As is the case with many teams still in the playoffs, Millsaps has often trottled back on the offense in the second half, even when the 1st stringers are in the game.  Last week was a good example with 400 yards of offense in the first half and less than 200 yards in the second half.  I expect that Millsaps will have to keep the pedal to the metal on offense all day today and it will be interesting to see what that looks like for 4 complete quarters.  I won't be surprised to see 50 plus passes from Millsaps today and maybe 100 passes total for the game.
...because Bobby Swallow can "bring it"!

I'll take my chances with Juan......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 29, 2008, 03:31:33 PM
Congratulations to Washington and Jefferson on a nice win over Millsaps.  The Majors had a fine season!  For whatever reason, Millsaps did not play with the same agressive style of play today that had been their mantra all year.  Good luck to the Presidents the rest of the playoffs. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 29, 2008, 03:31:55 PM
Great season Majors, I am proud to have been able to watch the run this year!  Thanks for making it so fun!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 29, 2008, 03:33:55 PM
Good season Majors.  Especially on making it past the first round. 

I hope you make it to the playoffs again next season, but only as a Pool C bid!  ;)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 29, 2008, 03:39:13 PM

Hey Pat,

You said something about a miracle being the only thing that would keep Millsaps from winning the region.  I guess miracles only happen at Harper Davis Field.   ;)

Sorry Majors.  I have to say that it's pretty impressive when the underdog old guard knocks off the upcoming new guard.  Don't feel bad.  It may not be what you want but who could have guessed you'd be this good say, three years ago?  I went up to Lycoming in 1997 after Trinity's first playoff win and the old guard wipped us like we had never been whipped and we went back the next year to return the favor.  You'll be back if you can find a quarterback half as good as Joseph, but I'm afraid he got rattled today when there was finally a team going toe to toe with them.  Perhaps a victim of their own success.

I'm glad you've arrived as we're all looking forward to a more competitive SCAC, as it was not this year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 29, 2008, 03:51:16 PM
Congratulations, Majors, you represented the SCAC well and thank you for getting rid of the conference's 0-since-'02 playoff skid. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2008, 04:43:11 PM
You have to congratulate the team from W&J, holding Millsaps to 20 points both with their defense and the long drives by their offense.  They burned up most of the 2nd quarter with a 17-play TD drive that took over 10 minutes.

For those who will simply look at the score and not the details, this was a closer game than the 35-20 score indicates.  Millsaps missed a FG of just over 40 yards in the 4th quarter that would have put them up 23-21.  W&J then went on a ball control drive that bumped the score up to 28-20, and later they scored on a long run when Millsaps had to stack the line late--somewhat like pulling the goalie in hockey where you try something risky that sometimes works but can also result in a quick score by the other team.

Several people have already alluded to the fact that Millsaps has come a very long way in a very short time.  The 2005 Millsaps team was one of the worse in the SCAC, avoiding the cellar by winning by one point over Rhodes in a battle of SCAC winless teams.  Then DuBose was promoted to head coach in April or May of 2006 so the first year of recruiting was only a partial year.  This Millsaps football program is way ahead of schedule and while winning today was certainly a possibility, winning the national title so soon would have been somewhat of a stretch. 

It has been a remarkable three years and an amazing ride, especially for those seniors who were freshmen back in 2005.  Millsaps will have a lot of holes to fill for the 2009 season, but they have talent waiting in the wings and I'm sure that a season like this year will be a big plus when it comes to recruiting.  It was a great season and it has been a great 3-year run.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 29, 2008, 04:52:03 PM
I knew W&J scored late to build on the 21-20 lead, but I didn't remember that both scores came in the last 2 minutes of the game.  Here's the box score and while W&J has a great QB, the man of the game was running back Curt Jones.  He had an ton of yards after first contact.

Box Score:  http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/MCF08-12.HTM
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bbunch on November 29, 2008, 05:27:51 PM
Congrats to Millsaps on an awesome season. It's always tough for such a special season to end.

W&J had a great game plan and did what they needed to do to win. The long, ball-control drives kept Millsaps' offense off of the field and their inability to score TD's when they were inside the 10 was huge. I think that the Millsaps defense did enough to keep them in the game, but the big runs by the W&J RB was the difference maker.

Keep your heads up Majors, keep that momentum going for next year!!

Good luck to MHB next weekend against W&J.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 29, 2008, 08:56:52 PM
Wonderful play from the Majors this season.  Nothing to be ashamed of losing to a stellar program like Washington & Jefferson. W & J may have the squad to finally make it all the way this year. Remember when the Majors lost a heart-felt game to the national champ, Wash U on the hardwood. I love it when the SCAC represents itself nicely in post-season, and the Majors were a class act. I wish I'd followed this team more closely during the season. Celebrate players and coaches - you deserve it. Congrats!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 30, 2008, 05:09:15 AM
Definitely nothing to be ashamed of. As I posted earlier, Cinderella seasons are a rare event. Getting to within 3 games of making it happen is truely an accomplishment. I just want to take the opportunity to thank the senior class for some unbelievable memories over the past 3 years. Being a CLEMSON fan, I haven't been this excited about football since 1980.
I was quite impressed with the play of W&J's QB and RB. After seeing what they can do, it is no surprise they are where they are. Good luck on the rest of their Journey.  Well I guess we'll hang the cleats up till next AUG and start fresh.  While Millsaps will have some really big shoes to fill, i have no doubt we have some talent lurking in the underclassmen.  Can we get to the same level, probably not next year, but I do feel with the coaching staff we have, we will remain a competitive team amoung the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 30, 2008, 10:33:38 AM

I fully admit that this inquiry comes from my insecurities having to do with the 2008 Millsaps team challenging some of Trinity's best teams as the best in SCAC history, but there seems to be a massive inconsistency:

Congratulations to Juan Joseph for becoming the SCAC's all time passing leader yesterday, which he set during a post-season game with just over 9000 yards.   I couldn't find the all-time conference leaders on the SCAC website.  However...

I looked on Trinity's website and found that there are two SCAC quarterbacks prior to him that passed for over 10,000 yards in their careers- Michael Burton and Roy Hampton both of Trinity.  Can someone explain to me why Joseph gets the record?

 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 30, 2008, 10:48:50 AM
If memory serves, the NCAA changed the rules after those two stalwarts graduated - only regular season games counted in career stats before then, and both Hampton and Burton played plenty of playoff games.   I think. 

The SCAC record books can be accessed via the button of the same name on the scacsports.com site. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 30, 2008, 02:00:50 PM
I thought some more about yesterday's game and it just seemed to me that W&J's experience was the main factor in the win. 

There is no question this was a special season for the Majors and this program has come so far in such a short period of time!  My heart goes out to the seniors who were a big part in the turnaround.  This was the last game for most of these guys and I know personally how tough it is to hang the cleats up for the last time.  The program and we alumni thank you for making it special to watch you guys.

As for the game, it just appeared to me that Millsaps still needs more playoff experience.  W&J played like they have been there (which they have) and they played to win.  Millsaps played tight and not to lose.  I don't think W&J had better atheletes, but better experience.  I think this will be another great learning experience for the Majors and another stepping stone to the next level.  Let's hope we can keep the coaching staff in tact!

Congrats again guys and I look forward to next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on November 30, 2008, 04:31:21 PM
Congrats on a very successful season Millsaps. My son (LaGrange) was absolutely stunned when he heard you had lost yesterday. He was quite impressed with not only your athleticism, but also (and especially) your class.

Good luck next season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 30, 2008, 05:58:35 PM
Congratulations to Coach DuBose, staff and the Majors, especially a superb senior class. You were a very talented, tough group this year. Good luck next season, except when you make that trip to western Indiana.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 30, 2008, 08:58:40 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 30, 2008, 02:00:50 PM
As for the game, it just appeared to me that Millsaps still needs more playoff experience.  W&J played like they have been there (which they have) and they played to win.  Millsaps played tight and not to lose.  I don't think W&J had better atheletes, but better experience.  I think this will be another great learning experience for the Majors and another stepping stone to the next level.  Let's hope we can keep the coaching staff in tact!

Ex-,

I think you hit it exactly on the head.

When I traveled to Jackson in 2007 for the Trinity tilt, the Majors did not seem to play with the wild abandon that characterized the rest of the 2007 season ... playing not to win, but to not lose.  In 2008, they played Trinity like they knew they were going to win and there was nothing Trinity could do to stop them.  It was a breathtaking display and a huge difference year-over-year. 

I didn't get to watch the whole game yesterday but when I did the offense didn't seem to fire on all cylinders.  Much of that was W&J, but some of it seemed to be playoff nerves, especially as the game wore on.   

Again, congratulations to your senior class and especially Juan Joseph on the conclusion to their very fine careers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 30, 2008, 09:41:40 PM

I disagree.  I think Millsaps started out pretty hot and playing the way they have all year.  The difference with W&J was that they were as fast as the Majors- and they were bigger, especially at the skill positions.  The smaller guys are going to wear down and lose their edge first, and the Majors did in the third quarter.  When things weren't going their way, I think Juan got a little frustrated and began to hesitate. 

What has always made them so hard to stop was that Juan would always hit his receivers on the dead run after releasing the ball in the blink of an eye, but when the defenders can run with them, all those short passes aren't as effective and the QB holds the ball a little too long.
 
You mention the 2007 TU game and although they had it all but won, Juan threw two bad interceptions that kept the Tigers in it.  That was another team that could run with their receivers.  I don't think he choked necessarily, but I think that not having his way was pretty tough for him when it had been so easy all year.

Again, I favor a simpler diagnosis.  W&J was as fast and bigger.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 30, 2008, 11:36:44 PM
There seems to be a lot of truth to all of what has been written in the last few posts.  I think playoff experience did make somewhat of a difference and I do think the size and speed of W&J was a factor.  But with all that being said, let's keep in mind that these two teams were very equal with the game being a 1-point game with less than 2 minutes to play.  When you look at the two programs, the fact that these teams are so even is rather amazing.  As was pointed out in a post a few days ago, the W&J program has a tradition that stretches out longer than the outstanding success of Trinity.  Millsaps for all of its recent success, is still in the "laying the foundation" stage.   

One thing that might have hurt Millsaps this past Saturday is that they really hadn't had many close games this season.  The Belhaven game was close going into the 4th quarter but that was early in the season and a non-NCAA game.  The BSC game was close in the third quarter but that was mostly because Millsaps was turning the ball over every other series.  Neither of those compare to the W&J game and that's where playoff experience would have helped a lot.  It seems to me that the strength of the SCAC is on the rise and that will better prepare the SCAC representative(s) in future NCAA playoffs.

Also, I think that in the future Millsaps will be able to add some pieces that were missing from this year's team.  As outstanding as this year's team turned out to be, they could have used a big bruising running back for the tough yards in the red zone.  They could have used a big tall receiver that can overpower a defensive back on a long pass that is up for grabs.  They could have used a little more size on the defensive line.  I think I remember one of the coaches saying they could have used a big tight end.  I'm not saying all this to knock the current team which is loaded with outstanding talent, but just to point out that Millsaps has ways of getting better in the future. 

ALSO, I appreciate the comment from The Forgotten Man about the class of the Millsaps team.  The time I spend at Millsaps puts me in a position where I can closely observe the players and coaches.  I can tell you that I am just as impressed by the class and the character of the football program as I am with their on the field success.  It is a program that I'm proud to support.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 01, 2008, 06:37:32 AM
What a fantastic season and a great run for the Majors!! 

There is no doubt that the team conducted themselves with class and left 'it all' on the field Saturday.

I can't help but wonder what type of impact having Huff in the game would have made on those short yardage situations....hope he heals fully,  I saw him still on crutches.

To echo another post, to get so far in such a short time for the program is amazing.  The respect the team displays for the coaching staff  surely must play a part in this years' results...especailly when you would hear, "Coach says this can be the year we can be national champs!"  Success breeds success on the field and in the recruiting process, so I am optimistic.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 01, 2008, 07:12:43 AM
For those who are interested, I have posted my photos from the Saturday game to the Millsaps photo site.  The home address to the photo site is in the signature portion of this post and the direct link to the 2008 football section is:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/Millsaps_College_2008-09/650115/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Breckenridgebear on December 01, 2008, 11:58:41 AM
Congrats on a great season Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 01, 2008, 06:13:06 PM
Breckenridgebear---
You need to post more often on the SCAC thread...you had some great (and pretty funny) posts on the Monon Bell thread.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Breckenridgebear on December 02, 2008, 10:57:13 AM
D3_DPUFan

Something about Monon gets me fired up and I need an outlet before the game. I wish there were more DPU fans who would get involved in posting, especially prior to the Bell Game.  I will see what I can do about contributing more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 02, 2008, 01:18:39 PM
QuoteSomething about Monon gets me fired up and I need an outlet before the game. I wish there were more DPU fans who would get involved in posting, especially prior to the Bell Game.  I will see what I can do about contributing more.

Cool. Agree with you on the number of DPU fans posting. Those who do have interesting takes...just need to be more of them...hope we can get some off season chatter going.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on December 02, 2008, 07:02:22 PM
What happened to the Majors?  After watching them recover from the Trinity "Miracle" loss last season, and watching them steamroll this season's schecule (including my TU Tigers) I fully expected a much deeper run into the playoffs.  They handled the young and star-struck LaGrange club easily and then....  W&J...  what happened?  I watched the whole thing via ATW feed, but they never solved the W&J QB and his key receiver.  Your opinions/comments?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 02, 2008, 10:33:20 PM
Huge news from Millsaps--Juan Joseph won the Connerly Trophy as the best/top college football player in Mississippi.  Link to story:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20081202/SPORTS03/81202027&referrer=FRONTPAGECAROUSEL

(I'll just add that this is going to be one of those picks where everyone debates exactly what the award means, especially since the other two finalist will probably be 1st round picks in the NFL draft.  Whatever the criteria, it is quite an honor won by an outstanding young man.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 02, 2008, 11:26:21 PM
That is outstanding.

I think that Joseph's win adds prestige to the award not being just a "football" award and more a "Student-athlete" award!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MS Major Fan on December 03, 2008, 12:00:14 AM
Congraulations Juan!! 
This is a huge award for Juan.  He deserves it .... He will never forget this night.

Great for Him the entire Majors team and Staff --- Fans and Millsaps!
About time they got the recognition that they deserve!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on December 03, 2008, 06:26:05 AM
Ok, first congrats to Juan, well deserved.

Second thought will stir the pot a little:
Lets take a step back in time to 1997. Coach Dubose takes over as HC of Alabama, During his time there his Wide Receivers coach was an unknown outside of Alabama circles, Dabo Swinney. In 2001, Dabo was fired along with Coach Dubose and his most of his staff. In 2003, Dabo signs with Clemson as Receivers coach. Day before yesterday, Clemson names Dabo HC of Clemson. Yesterday, Dabo fires DC Vic K. Can you see where I'm going with this. We've mentioned from time to time that Coach Dubose is very defensive minded, even huddling his defense on the sidelines for talks while the offense is on the field. He seems to have a passion for Defense and since the season is over for DI with exception of bowl games, Clemson going to the Gator, it's conceivable that Dubose could easily step in as Clemson's DC. The real question would be, can the teacher work for the student. I think so.........Thoughts.....?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 03, 2008, 07:21:58 AM
QuoteLets take a step back in time to 1997. Coach Dubose takes over as HC of Alabama, During his time there his Wide Receivers coach was an unknown outside of Alabama circles, Dabo Swinney. In 2001, Dabo was fired along with Coach Dubose and his most of his staff. In 2003, Dabo signs with Clemson as Receivers coach. Day before yesterday, Clemson names Dabo HC of Clemson. Yesterday, Dabo fires DC Vic K. Can you see where I'm going with this. We've mentioned from time to time that Coach Dubose is very defensive minded, even huddling his defense on the sidelines for talks while the offense is on the field. He seems to have a passion for Defense and since the season is over for DI with exception of bowl games, Clemson going to the Gator, it's conceivable that Dubose could easily step in as Clemson's DC. The real question would be, can the teacher work for the student. I think so.........Thoughts.....?

Very intersting scenario and, it would seem, an obvious ticket for a trip back to DI football. Does Coach DuBose want to go back to DI? What's the buzz around Jackson? Has he talked about it at least privately?  If in fact it does happen, it would be a loss for the SCAC. His presence has not only turned around Millsaps, it has helped raise the level of competition league wide, IMHO. Will be interseting to see how it plays out...the Majors lose a ton of players....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on December 03, 2008, 08:16:45 AM
There hasn't been any public discussion that I could find. The DC firing just happened yesterday. Coach Dubose also could be happy and content right where he's at. DPF, you are absolutely right, losing Dubose would be a loss to the SCAC and a huge loss to Millsaps. Some coaches are content with HS, DIII DII or whatever. But having been at the Major Di level, one's got to assume he would desire a trip back if available. Quickest way to a HC job in DI barring an outright offer for a HC job, its through  a coordinator position.
onlt reason i brought this up was I'm a big Clemson fan, second to Millsaps of course, and was able to look at the history and put 2 and 2 together. This has 4 written all over it..........
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 03, 2008, 11:47:27 AM
I heard part of a Juan Joseph interview on a local sports program this morning.  On the subject of Coach DuBose, Juan said that he had learned a lot from Coach DuBose about football and about life.  I'm sure that sentiment would be echoed by the vast majority of the 125 young men who play at Millsaps and the 10 or so coaches. 

Depending on what one is looking for, Coach DuBose could do a lot better than D3 football and coaching at Millsaps.  If you want more money, more press, and large crowds, then D3 is not the place for a guy like Mike DuBose.  On the other hand, if you want to mentor young men and change lives, and if you want to have a normal life which includes time for your children and grandchildren, and if you have had maybe too much press in your life, then maybe Millsaps is the perfect place to be. 

I'm certainly not in the inner circle at Millsaps and I probably can barely claim to be in the outer circle, but I hear that Coach DuBose likes his situation at Millsaps as long as the commitment is made by the school and alumni to run a quality program and to provide some decent pay for the assistant coaches.  That seems like a fair thing to ask for and I hope that everyone can see that this is a win-win situation for the school and for the football program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 03, 2008, 11:31:59 PM
The entire discussion on the future of Coach DeBose is intriguing to say the least.  However, I just want post my congratulations to Juan Joseph on his award win. Good stuff, young man!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on December 04, 2008, 12:42:54 AM
Congrats to Juan and his family at home in Edgard LA and his Millsaps family in Jackson. Well done!!!!
The Majors have had quite a run with Juan. My congrats also go out to Coach DuBose, his coaching staff and the training staff led by Murray Burch who keeps the team physically able to perform at the top of their game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on December 04, 2008, 02:50:21 AM
Frank,
I agree with everything you said. Dubose may very well have had enough of the stress involved in DI football and is more than content on staying at Millsaps and if thats the case, as long as the school/Alumni support like you mentioned, Millsaps will continue to grow an awesome program. While I am a big Clemson fan, I still want coach Dubose to stay at Millsaps. Am I being selfish because I have a son on the team, you bet. If coach Dubose continues to be successful and I see no rreason why he wouldn't the money and support will grow, obviously not at DI levels but maybe it's not about the money. If it's not, you know right there, you have a quality coach. The only reason i brought this up at all, is just based on possibilities. I saw the writting on the wall and wanted to share in case something happened and everyone was blind sided.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on December 04, 2008, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: LA Major on December 04, 2008, 12:42:54 AM
My congrats . . . and the training staff led by Murray Burch who keeps the team physically able to perform at the top of their game.

This was funny LA  :D, I am sure only those of us who played at Millsaps really laughed at this comment.  I am sure you were sincere in your sentiments though and Murray does do a good job, just made me laugh this morning though!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 04, 2008, 12:00:55 PM
I appreciate all that Murray did for my two nephews during their playing years.  He heads up a great staff at Millsaps and they are are huge part of Millsaps athletics.

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on December 04, 2008, 02:59:39 PM
Quote from: exmajor on December 04, 2008, 10:58:55 AM
Quote from: LA Major on December 04, 2008, 12:42:54 AM
My congrats . . . and the training staff led by Murray Burch who keeps the team physically able to perform at the top of their game.

This was funny LA  :D, I am sure only those of us who played at Millsaps really laughed at this comment.  I am sure you were sincere in your sentiments though and Murray does do a good job, just made me laugh this morning though!

No problem ex. I get your point but I am thinking particularly about Juan who missed at 2 or maybe 3 games with injury during his years. He gave a lot to the Majors and I am certain he will give more on into the future. He couldn't do it alone and I do think that the support training staff is unsung in their contribution. No problem. Plus he is an LSU guy. ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on December 05, 2008, 08:22:47 AM
Lots of playoffs left and the SCAC is irrelevant.   Sucks.  Not much to post about. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2008, 08:27:39 AM
Tex, you need to get into SCAC basketball!  League games are cranking up this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 05, 2008, 09:00:37 AM
Quote from: Tex on December 05, 2008, 08:22:47 AM
Lots of playoffs left and the SCAC is irrelevant.   Sucks.  Not much to post about. 
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 05, 2008, 08:27:39 AM
Tex, you need to get into SCAC basketball!  League games are cranking up this weekend.
And honestly, there is no better baseball message board than the SCAC's (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4180.1515).

It will be cranking up about now.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 05, 2008, 10:05:33 AM
Such a tremendous honor and recognition for a true student-athlete!  Juan and his family must be bursting at the seams!!

As for the 'wear is the coach going,'  can't we all just get out of the 24/7 news cycle mentality and let everyone savor a record-setting season, multiple SCAC honors, several school records, heightened excitement, solid fan involvement and parents that worked themselves silly to host events, make games, support the team, encourage the players and welcome new folks into the Milsapps fold?

(not that I'm above entering into the speculation and connecting the dots game myself.... wink)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 05, 2008, 10:19:34 AM
Sorry for posting so soon after my last one...

Just read the 'comments' after viewing the article in the Clarion Ledger.  Without going into great detail, let's just say that it reaffirms the class, intelligence and priorities of 99.9% of the posters on this board over the past 2 years.   

I'll hitch my wagon to a man with passion and integrity in his eyes over one with dollar signs and self-aggrandizement any day of the week!

Congrats again to Juan and all the people involved throughout his journey.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on December 06, 2008, 06:11:41 PM
Is it safe to expect that next fall's conference schedules for football will mirror those of 2007 as far as sequence and sites of games?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 08, 2008, 04:45:54 AM
I, for one, would like to see things get shuffled up a bit.  My recent complaints include the fact that many of Trinity's tougher opponents have gotten a bye week prior to playing TU (if you doubt, check the SCAC schedule page here http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/schedule).  Add the fact that Millsaps faced walk-over (for the Majors) opponents (BSC & CoC) after the Trinity game, while TU had "trap" games (Centre & AC) to finish the season.

No offense intended to the schools or athletes mentioned above ... just stating my opinion based upon recent years schedule and strength of teams.

IMHO, it seems unfair to all SCAC football teams to face essentially the same order of opponent from year-to-year.  Let's see the conference office mix things up a bit and come up with something new and different in 2009.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 08, 2008, 06:26:02 AM
QuoteIMHO, it seems unfair to all SCAC football teams to face essentially the same order of opponent from year-to-year.  Let's see the conference office mix things up a bit and come up with something new and different in 2009.

It is obviously a conspiracy. (insert rolled eyes here). Conference schedules are already set for 2009.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 08, 2008, 11:09:02 AM
Does anyone really think that this year's Millsaps team would have lost in the last two weeks if they had been playing Centre and Austin instead of Colorado and Birmingham, especially if those were must wins in order to have any hope of getting into the NCAA Playoffs?  A game is only a "trap" game if the supposed favorite is unfocused, something that shouldn't be the case for any team with a playoff berth on the line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2008, 12:02:47 PM
My only complaint with schedules in a conference is when the conference schedule goes thru a sequence such that the same teams were the teams playing the week before, an open date precedes the team in the opponents' schedule.

In the ASC imagine some teams seeing Hardin-Simmons after McMurry for every game on the schedule
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on December 08, 2008, 12:14:53 PM
Ralph, doesn't the ASC rotate their schedule every year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2008, 01:15:42 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on December 08, 2008, 12:14:53 PM
Ralph, doesn't the ASC rotate their schedule every year?
I think that they rotate the schedule, keeping rivalry games like HSU/McM at the end of the season, but I don't think that they juggle the sequence of opponents.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 08, 2008, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on December 08, 2008, 04:45:54 AM
I, for one, would like to see things get shuffled up a bit.  My recent complaints include the fact that many of Trinity's tougher opponents have gotten a bye week prior to playing TU (if you doubt, check the SCAC schedule page here http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/schedule).  Add the fact that Millsaps faced walk-over (for the Majors) opponents (BSC & CoC) after the Trinity game, while TU had "trap" games (Centre & AC) to finish the season.

Yeah, but....

Look at the first half of those seasons leading up to the Trinity/Millsaps game.  Millsaps played Miss Coll, Belhaven, Rhodes, both of your trap teams, DePauw, and Sewanee.  Trinity played McMurry, TLU, Colorado, BSC, Rhodes, DePauw, and Sewanee. 

So, removing the common opponents, Millsaps played Miss Coll, Belhaven, and Austin and Centre before Trinity.  Trinity played McMurry, TLU, Colorado,  and BSC to get to the Majors. 

Let me ask you this:  If talent is equal, who is likely to be A) more healthy and B) executing better of those two teams?  Trinity played ONE winning team before their biggest game of the year.  Millsaps played only two teams with records under .500!  I'd take Trinity's schedule over Millsaps' schedule every time.  You've got to get by DePauw, which you've had 0 previous problems with, and that aside, you've got 6 tune-ups to get ready for your toughest opponent. 

Would you rather go like Austin-Centre-DePauw-Millsaps-BSC-Sewanee?  You can't want that either, can you?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 08, 2008, 05:37:17 PM
I'm not buying into the "it's unfair for someone to always have a week off before playing us" argument, but think it would be fair for *all* teams if the schedule changed up every couple of years.  Wouldn't it be fun to see DPU/Trinity late in the season when a hard playoff bid could definitely be on the line instead of so early?

The next change will probably be whenever Hendrix' team starts playing - 2010?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 08, 2008, 06:05:23 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 08, 2008, 05:37:17 PM
I'm not buying into the "it's unfair for someone to always have a week off before playing us" argument, but think it would be fair for *all* teams if the schedule changed up every couple of years.  Wouldn't it be fun to see DPU/Trinity late in the season when a hard playoff bid could definitely be on the line instead of so early?

The next change will probably be whenever Hendrix' team starts playing - 2010?
I don't buy the argument in a single game scenario, but for a team always to confront opponents that have had 2 weeks to prepare in an entire season (which is what I meant), that is not fair.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 08, 2008, 06:50:15 PM
It could be that we are simply in a small part of a big cycle that hasn't been favorable to Trinity recently since they have had to play Millsaps twice following the Millsaps bye week.  I went back and looked at the bye weeks for Millsaps and Trinity since 2000 and for a long time it was Trinity having the advantage of a bye week in the middle of the SCAC games while Millsaps was getting the bye earlier in the season and having to play their conference games without the benefit of a bye:

Millsaps Bye Weeks from 2000-2008:  Weeks 3,3,3,4,4,1*,4,8,8

Trinity Bye Weeks from 2000-2008:  Weeks 7,7,7,7,6,4,7,3,3

*The week 1 bye was in 2005 and Katrina hit on August 29, 2005.  I'm sure that scrambled the schedule for Millsaps that year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on December 08, 2008, 09:20:00 PM
Good stuff guys. The discussion has focused on the bye-week. I'm not certain that a bye-week is an automatic benefit for the team that is off. For sure it helps as it relates to an injured player having extra time to recover or heal. But it also seems that at all levels one can/could point to examples of a team losing some hard earned momentum as a result of not playing.

Perhaps the question is "where is the most benefit, in preparation or competition?". --- I wonder what the current or recent student athlete posters think.

Having watched the Kangaroos this season I'm not so sure that the week off actually helped them against Trinity. {Not to take anything at all away from Trinity! I just think we may have given them a better game without the layoff.}
Like most, I doubt it's a scheme that Trinity faces several "post-bye" opponents but would accept the possibility that it may create a unique challenge for such a team.

And thanks for comp TigerDad, I hope everybody sees us as a trap game going into next year ;D.

Bye-week aside, A/C's schedule quirk is having bookend games with "the big boys". Recent seasons have had us opening against Millsaps and finishing with Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 09, 2008, 05:11:39 PM
rooski, you're welcome!  I think Austin College is finding the SCAC a bit more like home than the ASC, don't you?  More compatible and more competitive.  Not quite like facing HSU and UMHB every year ... ouch, that's gotta smart.  I really thought the Cru might struggle in the playoffs this year, but I was dead wrong.  Wish I could make it to Belton this Saturday to see the rematch against UWW.  Last year's champs coming to Texas to face the Cru on a roll. :o  This might be the year for the boys from Belton to break through ...

As far as our league, guys, I think the Majors are going to come back down to earth in 2009.  Without their fine MVP QB, they might be just "good" next season instead of dominant.  I predict some coaching staff changes will happen in Jackson as others have alluded.  Any more news on that subject?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on December 09, 2008, 06:59:09 PM
TigerDad,  what do you think Trinity needs to do to get back to a championship level?  I agree with you about Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 10, 2008, 09:32:04 AM
Bill, honestly, I don't think Trinity can get back to their glory days.  I think they can win the SCAC again, but I don' t see them ever going back to the Stagg Bowl. I hope I am wrong, but here's my reasoning:

The school continues to raise their academic standards each year ... apparently they have enough high-scoring and high-ranking applicants that they can do so.  I have heard that the administration's interest is to continue to raise TU to elite academic status (and beyond), to increase foreign student population (soccer maybe but not American football players!) and that athletics in general are not a priority to them.  Not that it matters to me ... just repeating what I've been told.

Combine that with the ever-increasing cost of attending Trinity and the "bait and switch" technique of offering 'academic scholarships' that are tied to very high grade point requirements ... I think there are too many other good football programs in Texas that are 'cheaper' and 'easier' to attend.  UMHB and HSU come to mind immediately, but ETBU, AC and others have also shown some growth and strength in their programs in recent seasons.

I am proud of my son (and his teammates) for choosing Trinity and for the extra commitment required to play football with no compensation ... I just don't think there are very many outstanding athletes who will make the same choice going forward.  These fine young men will always be in the minority and, IMHO, their numbers will continue to dwindle at Trinity.  TU coaches report that it's more difficult each year to recruit the numbers needed to sustain the program.  My hat is off to them for the success they've had in the past and for working hard to continue Trinity's championship (interrupted) streak.

That said, I think the other "intangible" factor in Trinity's football future is team chemistry and leadership.  As we all know, in high school and college football, each team has its own unique personality that varies from year-to-year.  The 2007 Tigers had an unusual balance of wit, humor, and work ethic that made it fun for them on the field and fun to watch from the stands.  The 2008 team, while successful, seemed to lack some of those traits.

I would not venture a guess for the 2009 season. TU will certainly be losing alot of experienced seniors, but I guess every team in the league can say that.  If the right guys work hard and show up next August, Trinity should have another shot at the SCAC title and perhaps a playoff win or two.

We Trinity football fans also need to recognize that we are very spoiled ... there's about 200 Division III football programs that would love to have an 8-2 season.  It's kind of sad to bitch about losing two games this year ... one to a superior Millsaps team on a roll and the second to a fired-up Centre team on Senior Day.  Day in and day out, the Trinity Tigers put forth a fine effort and win on and off the football field. 

Again, I tip my cap to Coach Mohr and his staff for assembling a top-notch team every August, teaching them what they need to know in 3 hours per day, and travelling all over the country to come up with another championship season ... outright or co-champs 14 out of the last 16 seasons is pretty darn good.  I don' t think there are ANY other football programs in our Lone Star State that can compare.

There, I feel better already ... thanks for asking!

And, while I'm on a roll ... Congratulations and Happy Holidays to the fine football players of the SCAC ... you guys are ALL CHAMPIONS in my book.  Enjoy your offseason and good luck to you in the future, football and otherwise.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on December 10, 2008, 01:13:29 PM
TigerDad, nice post - I agree with you fully.  I think the same things can be said about every SCAC team.  But we need to remember why these young men are where they are at.  They are all great kids - great students - they just still want to play FOOTBALL!

Every one of these schools have the academic/financial burden for anyone wishing to attend.  That is why it is good they are in the SCAC.  It would be 'amazing' for anyone of them to get to 'THE GAME'.  They are all winneres in my book.  I Love watching them play,  because they compete on the field as hard as they do in the classroom!  Good Luck to all of them!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 10, 2008, 06:07:21 PM
TigerDad, as you pointed out, a down year at Trinity is a very good year for most schools.  The run that Trinity has had in the SCAC is an impressive thing and time will tell if the last few years have been a changing of the guard or just a bump in the road for Trinity.  Reading between the lines of what you wrote, it sounds like the best thing for Trinity football right now is the rise of Millsaps football.  Creating motivation and focus and support for a program is often easier when a team is fighting to regain something rather than just to maintain something that has almost become a foregone conclusion.

Regarding Millsaps next year, my impression is that they will be better next year than they were this year.  I say that with the assumption that Coach DuBose and the bulk of his staff will be back for 2009.  There's a lot of talent to replace at quarterback, the receiver positions, and with the defensive backs, but I think replacements will be found from the returning players and on the recruiting trail.  I have a lot of faith in the coaches and the program and I just don't see it falling back in 2009 since they are still in the building mode.  Let's face it, the coaches have a much better story to tell recruits this year than they had prior to the 2006, 2007, and 2008 seasons.  They should be able to bring in some players who will make a difference right away, but we won't know that for sure until 10-12 months from now.

In the meantime I'll be over on the basketball boards and then the baseball board.  I doubt I'll get over to any track and field but good luck to Chris this season.  A national championship would be a good way to end an outstanding college career.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 11, 2008, 10:46:29 AM
D3Football has announced their All-South Team for 2008 with a nice group of SCAC players included in the list.  Here's the link for the full team and the list of SCAC players--I hope I didn't skip someone:

http://www.d3football.com/all-region/2008_d3football_all-south_region.pdf

1st Team:
QB--Juan Joseph--Millsaps
G--John Shivers--Millsaps

2nd Team:
T--Wade Lytal--Trinity
LB--Mason Mosby--Rhodes
LB--Adam Hay--Centre
CB--MarcusHarris--Millsaps

3rd Team:
WR--Alex Koors--DePauw
DE--Denarold Anderson--Millsaps
LB--Desmond Hendrix--Rhodes
CB--Chalankis Brown--Sewanee
P-William Lawrimore--Millsaps

I'm sure you all will be able to think of players that are missing and certainly should have been considered (Eric McCarty of Millsaps is one that comes to my mind), but there are a lot of teams in the South Region.  It is no small feat to make a team like this and it is quite an honor for the 11 from the SCAC who were recognized on the list.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 11, 2008, 04:25:59 PM
Congratulations to all the young men listed on the All-South-Region team!

Congrats to MajorDad (and millsaps mom!) ... how about that "P"!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on December 11, 2008, 07:05:12 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on December 08, 2008, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on December 08, 2008, 04:45:54 AM
I, for one, would like to see things get shuffled up a bit.  My recent complaints include the fact that many of Trinity's tougher opponents have gotten a bye week prior to playing TU (if you doubt, check the SCAC schedule page here http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/schedule).  Add the fact that Millsaps faced walk-over (for the Majors) opponents (BSC & CoC) after the Trinity game, while TU had "trap" games (Centre & AC) to finish the season.

Yeah, but....

Look at the first half of those seasons leading up to the Trinity/Millsaps game.  Millsaps played Miss Coll, Belhaven, Rhodes, both of your trap teams, DePauw, and Sewanee.  Trinity played McMurry, TLU, Colorado, BSC, Rhodes, DePauw, and Sewanee. 

So, removing the common opponents, Millsaps played Miss Coll, Belhaven, and Austin and Centre before Trinity.  Trinity played McMurry, TLU, Colorado,  and BSC to get to the Majors. 

Let me ask you this:  If talent is equal, who is likely to be A) more healthy and B) executing better of those two teams?  Trinity played ONE winning team before their biggest game of the year.  Millsaps played only two teams with records under .500!  I'd take Trinity's schedule over Millsaps' schedule every time.  You've got to get by DePauw, which you've had 0 previous problems with, and that aside, you've got 6 tune-ups to get ready for your toughest opponent. 

Would you rather go like Austin-Centre-DePauw-Millsaps-BSC-Sewanee?  You can't want that either, can you?

You make a good argument.  I'd counter that with the tougher schedule leaves a team more "battle tested".

I think you don't get better by playing push-overs (this is a generalization, not intending to dis anyone in the SCAC).  I saw this year in and year out with our Highschool.  Our coach would load up 4 non-district opponents each year that had all gone deep into the playoffs the previous year or two before.  No slouches.  True that in HS football in TX, the non-district counts for nothing when it comes to getting into the playoffs.

But by the time our district would begin (weak district pretty much overall), our guys would have had their weaknesses exposed and had a chance to correct them before it counted. 

It's a shame that in D-3, every single game counts and more than one L in the SCAC pretty much eliminates you from post season consideration.  Just the way it falls.

But, I'd rather see Tu load up some tougher opponents early on. 


Also having a week off before your biggest conference game is a huge plus.  No matter how much I tried to spin it the other way prior to last Nov 1st. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 11, 2008, 07:23:59 PM
In the UIL, almost half of the schools make the playoffs.

In D-3, the ratio is 6.5:1 except in football (and a few other sports) where the (239 minus 10 NESCAC schools=) 229 schools are competing for 32 bids, for a ratio of 1:7.16.

With Hendrix, you are down to one non-conference game.

If and when Concordia-Austin adds football, we will be, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on December 11, 2008, 08:02:27 PM
I would love for TU to load up with UMHB, it would be one more road game I could see and another good game for both teams, kind of like a pre-Texas sub bracket game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on December 12, 2008, 11:56:29 AM
I was in San Diego's Balboa Park yesterday and went through the museum of San Diego sports history.  I saw a big poster of two teams of old playing in mud several inches deep!  When I looked at the caption it read, "San Diego's first bowl game - 1921.  University of Arizona vs. Centre University".  Sorry, it did not give the score!!  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 12, 2008, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: roocru on December 12, 2008, 11:56:29 AM
I was in San Diego's Balboa Park yesterday and went through the museum of San Diego sports history.  I saw a big poster of two teams of old playing in mud several inches deep!  When I looked at the caption it read, "San Diego's first bowl game - 1921.  University of Arizona vs. Centre University".  Sorry, it did not give the score!!  ;D ;)

Arizona was 7-1 and had outscored its opponents 418-30; their only loss was 17-13 to a Texas A&M squad coached by the legendary Dana X. Bible.  They met Centre in the "San Diego East-West Christmas Classic" and the final score read:

Centre 38,  Arizona 0

This was the Centre team that defeated Harvard earlier in 1921 in the famous "C6H0" game that is ranked among the greatest upsets of all times in college sports.  Ironically, the only thing standing between that team and a national championship, if such a thing existed was a 22-14 loss the next week at the Dixie Classic bowl to the same Texas A&M team that defeated Arizona.  Centre ended the year 10-1, playing only four home games, and gave up only 6 points combined in the other ten games. Other Centre victims that year included Clemson, Virginia Tech, Kentucky, Tulane, and Auburn.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 12, 2008, 02:17:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 12, 2008, 12:34:39 PM
Quote from: roocru on December 12, 2008, 11:56:29 AM
I was in San Diego's Balboa Park yesterday and went through the museum of San Diego sports history.  I saw a big poster of two teams of old playing in mud several inches deep!  When I looked at the caption it read, "San Diego's first bowl game - 1921.  University of Arizona vs. Centre University".  Sorry, it did not give the score!!  ;D ;)

Arizona was 7-1 and had outscored its opponents 418-30; their only loss was 17-13 to a Texas A&M squad coached by the legendary Dana X. Bible.  They met Centre in the "San Diego East-West Christmas Classic" and the final score read:

Centre 38,  Arizona 0

This was the Centre team that defeated Harvard earlier in 1921 in the famous "C6H0" game that is ranked among the greatest upsets of all times in college sports.  Ironically, the only thing standing between that team and a national championship, if such a thing existed was a 22-14 loss the next week at the Dixie Classic bowl to the same Texas A&M team that defeated Arizona.  Centre ended the year 10-1, playing only four home games, and gave up only 6 points combined in the other ten games. Other Centre victims that year included Clemson, Virginia Tech, Kentucky, Tulane, and Auburn.
Aggies remember the Dixie Classic as the origins of the "12th Man" tradition started by E. King Gill (http://aggietraditions.tamu.edu/12thman.shtml).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 12, 2008, 02:32:27 PM
Juan Joseph is named as the finalist from the South in the Gaglairdi voting:

http://www.millsaps.edu/athletic/football/121208story.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 12, 2008, 02:40:34 PM
The story about Centre football of old brings up the memory of the 1899 Sewanee team that was considered one of the greatest of all time:

"Those 1899 Sewanee Tigers are still recognized as one of the greatest college football teams ever. In that year, they accomplished what everyone concedes was the most astounding accomplishment of any college team in any sport ever: They played and won five games in six days, all on the road, beating Texas, Texas A&M, Tulane, LSU and Ole Miss. It's been the subject of hundreds of stories and books, most recently around the 100th anniversary of the famous road trip, when Sports Illustrated and ESPN both featured it."

That quote if from a column I quickly found on the subject and some other interesting things about Sewanee.  The link to that column is (you have to go halfway down to get to the Sewanee part) :  http://www.offenburger.com/guestpaper.asp?link=20011115
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 15, 2008, 10:16:29 PM
Not a lot else going on here, so for anyone desperate to see what a SCAC grad can do in the NFL, here's a nice TD catch Jerheme Urban (Trinity '03) had in yesterday's Cardinals-Vikings game.   

http://www.nfl.com/videos?videoId=09000d5d80d56660

Sorry for the ad you have to sit thru first.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 16, 2008, 07:35:22 PM
QuoteYou make a good argument.  I'd counter that with the tougher schedule leaves a team more "battle tested".

I think you don't get better by playing push-overs

No question about it, IMHO...and, as the saying goes, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. In this part of the country all you have to do is look at Wabash...I can only imagine how bad some of the teams they put 60 on must have been...of course, not much they can do about it as that's the conference they're in...one thing's for sure, they would not be sniffing the playoffs in the SCAC...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2008, 07:52:49 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 16, 2008, 07:35:22 PM
QuoteYou make a good argument.  I'd counter that with the tougher schedule leaves a team more "battle tested".

I think you don't get better by playing push-overs

No question about it, IMHO...and, as the saying goes, if you're not getting better, you're getting worse. In this part of the country all you have to do is look at Wabash...I can only imagine how bad some of the teams they put 60 on must have been...of course, not much they can do about it as that's the conference they're in...once things for sure, they would not be sniffing the playoffs in the SCAC...
+1!   :)  Right on!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 16, 2008, 09:49:28 PM
Quote+1!     Right on!

Thank you, Ralph!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 16, 2008, 10:06:24 PM

Some food for thought...

Just finished watching the DVD of the Monon Bell Game...the striking thing to me is not the margin of victory...but how DPU whipped Wabash with a really young team. No fewer than 5 of the top defensive players from the game were sophomores (Sherer, Preuss, Huffman, Doane, Gbur); Valdiserri is a freshman; and Fitch, Collins and Crawford are juniors; on offense, Ellis is a freshman as is starting OT Louis Brown; the receiving stable includes sophomores Koors, Branigan and Dahlstrom; while the vets, Dick and Mulligan as well as OT Joekel are juniors.   

Which made me think back to all of the crap the Wabash crowd was spewing when Matt Walker was named head coach. Not only is he beating the Wallies on the field...he and his staff seem to be beating them at recruiting as well.   :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 16, 2008, 10:48:29 PM
I think that some of the Wabash posters took offense at my observation that Wabash went 7-0 versus the NCAC and 3-0 versus the UAA and 0-2 versus everyone else.   ;)

The key to the improving SCAC is what type of program that BSC can start. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 17, 2008, 06:11:45 AM
QuoteI think that some of the Wabash posters took offense at my observation that Wabash went 7-0 versus the NCAC and 3-0 versus the UAA and 0-2 versus everyone else.   

The key to the improving SCAC is what type of program that BSC can start. 

...sometimes the truth can be painful... ;)

Agree on BSC...the program seemed to take a bit of a step back this season, but if the school is committed to football I gotta think they can put things together. I'll tell you this, they gave us a game in Greencastle...also beat Colorado College on the road and smashed Sewannee at home in their new stadium...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 17, 2008, 08:43:48 AM
QuoteI think that some of the Wabash posters took offense at my observation that Wabash went 7-0 versus the NCAC and 3-0 versus the UAA and 0-2 versus everyone else.   

I also remember the Wallies getting their panties in a ruffle at a post last year suggesting that Wabash would be a middle of the road team in the SCAC...

hmmm...let's look at this season. They wouldn't beat Millsaps or Trinity and obviously were stomped head to head against DePauw. I think they would have real trouble beating Rhodes and perhaps Centre, especially on the road. Yep, sometimes the truth can be painful...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 17, 2008, 10:07:50 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 17, 2008, 06:11:45 AM
QuoteI think that some of the Wabash posters took offense at my observation that Wabash went 7-0 versus the NCAC and 3-0 versus the UAA and 0-2 versus everyone else.   

The key to the improving SCAC is what type of program that BSC can start. 

...sometimes the truth can be painful... ;)

Agree on BSC...the program seemed to take a bit of a step back this season, but if the school is committed to football I gotta think they can put things together. I'll tell you this, they gave us a game in Greencastle...also beat Colorado College on the road and smashed Sewannee at home in their new stadium...

Umm, BSC took a 'step back' because their former HC brought in a bunch of guys who couldn't cut the academics and left after football season was over (there was a story published to this effect earlier this year) ... which accounted for how few returning starters they had.  I think you saw improvement from them as the season progressed and the new guy seems to understand that his focus has to be on student-athletes that can fit into the BSC profile. 

At the end of the season BSC gave Millsaps a better game than anyone else in the SCAC ... tho all the Millsaps turnovers had something to do with it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2008, 11:53:16 AM
I am looking for the mindshift in the Deep South to viewing D3 Football as an anticipated model for student-athletes.

I keep preaching that there are plenty of good student-athletes in the Deep South who end up at Tuscaloosa, or Gainesville, or Oxford, or Baton Rouge and never give a thought that they could be a starter   at BSC or Mississippi College or Millsaps or LaGrange or even Oglethorpe (when it gets pressed to add football to increase male enrollment as have BSC and Hendrix).

I think that Millsaps and BSC are helping achieve that critical mass of D3 schools playing creditable (amateur, student-athlete ) football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 17, 2008, 02:57:25 PM
QuoteUmm, BSC took a 'step back' because their former HC brought in a bunch of guys who couldn't cut the academics and left after football season was over (there was a story published to this effect earlier this year) ... which accounted for how few returning starters they had.  I think you saw improvement from them as the season progressed and the new guy seems to understand that his focus has to be on student-athletes that can fit into the BSC profile. 

At the end of the season BSC gave Millsaps a better game than anyone else in the SCAC ... tho all the Millsaps

Yes, I remember that story. They were very competitive when they played us...and it did seem as though they were playing their best football at the end of the season..will be interesting to see how they shape up next season...anybody from BSC have insight into '09?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 17, 2008, 03:02:16 PM
QuoteI keep preaching that there are plenty of good student-athletes in the Deep South who end up at Tuscaloosa, or Gainesville, or Oxford, or Baton Rouge and never give a thought that they could be a starter   at BSC or Mississippi College or Millsaps or LaGrange or even Oglethorpe (when it gets pressed to add football to increase male enrollment as have BSC and Hendrix).

No doubt. When we played there in '07 there was a good crowd (both students and adults/alums) and seemed to be a real excitement about the program (especially when it looked as though they were goign to beat us)...the Tigers were luck to get out of there with a win. If BSC and others capture what the DIII model is all about, I think they could create some real powerhouses...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on December 19, 2008, 03:41:30 PM
We just opened the door on another new area of the SCAC website - SCAC Interactive.

We will use this area to blog from championship events as well as post pictures and video. Also, we plan on a weekly (or bi-weekly podcast), featuring interviews with student-athletes and coaches.

To check out the inaugural podcast, click this link:

http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/interactive (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/interactive)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 20, 2008, 08:47:08 AM
QuoteWe just opened the door on another new area of the SCAC website - SCAC Interactive.

Great work on the site...content rich, easy to navigate and continues to get better with new features. Nice work.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 20, 2008, 11:26:24 PM
Congratulations to Millsaps' Juan Joseph and G John Shivers, Jr, the sole SCAC representatives on the D3football.com All-America team (http://www.d3football.com/tow/08/allamericans.htm).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2008, 10:27:50 AM
QuoteCongratulations to Millsaps' Juan Joseph and G John Shivers, Jr, the sole SCAC representatives on the D3football.com All-America team.

Ditto...and good luck to Juan in his career, whatever path that might take.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 22, 2008, 11:21:51 AM
A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone in the SCAC (and anyone else who may read this)!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on December 23, 2008, 09:26:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2008, 11:53:16 AM
I keep preaching that there are plenty of good student-athletes in the Deep South who end up at Tuscaloosa, or Gainesville, or Oxford, or Baton Rouge and never give a thought that they could be a starter   at BSC or Mississippi College or Millsaps or LaGrange or even Oglethorpe (when it gets pressed to add football to increase male enrollment as have BSC and Hendrix).

Can't help but wonder how many actually do give it a thought but can't afford the D3 school without the financial help that the athletic scholarships offer and have to "settle for" the bigger programs... I know there are other financial aid opportunities but the monetary side of D3 may be a bigger hurdle than many are willing or able to tackle - and I suspect that it is a hurdle for the coaches when recruiting.

I'm not suggesting that there should be athletic scholarships at D3, but I do think it's a significant factor in the decision making process. As has been alluded to here before by others, I think it is one of the things that adds to the admiration we have for these student-athletes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on December 23, 2008, 09:30:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 22, 2008, 11:21:51 AM
A very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year to everyone in the SCAC (and anyone else who may read this)!

... and to you as well, Ron!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 24, 2008, 09:40:23 AM
My Christmas gift to all my fellow D3-SCAC message boarders is to pass this most excellent story along to all of you ... in three parts for your reading enjoyment.  The Christmas spirit lives.

1. First, the newspaper story ...

Grapevine Faith football fans cheer for Gainesville State for a day
by David Thomas, Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Monday, November 10, 2008
http://www.wacotrib.com/prep/content/living/stories/2008/11/10/11102008wacFBHfaith.html

2. Faith Christian coach Kris Hogan's e-mail sent to parents and fans ...

Grapevine Faith's night of football, goodwill
by Matt Wixon, Dallas Morning News "HS GameTime" Blog
Thursday, November 7, 2008
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/grapevine-faiths-night-of-football-goodw.html

3. Finally, Sports Illustrated's version of the story ...

Life of Reilly:
There are some games where cheering for the other side feels better than winning.

by Rick Reilly, Sports Illustrated
November-December 2008
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3789373

Ladies and gentlemen, it just doesn't get any better than this.  Coach Hogan and Grapevine Faith players, parents and fans ... I SALUTE YOU.

May God Bless You All this season and in 2009.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 24, 2008, 11:51:07 AM
Thanks for posting the links to that story.  I enjoyed the reading and it certainly is appropriate for this time of year.

It has been a great year on the SCAC message boards and thanks to all of you for making that possible.  Have a great close to 2008 and an even greater 2009.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on December 25, 2008, 02:30:06 PM
Merry Christmas fellas!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on December 28, 2008, 04:48:57 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on December 11, 2008, 04:25:59 PM
Congratulations to all the young men listed on the All-South-Region team!

Congrats to MajorDad (and millsaps mom!) ... how about that "P"!!!

TD,
I don't know how we missed your post. Thanks, proud we are!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 01, 2009, 09:02:26 AM
Happy New Year to all!

Here's to a year full of success, both on the field and off!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 02, 2009, 04:08:16 AM
2009 DePauw Football schedule...

http://depauw.edu/ath/football/2009/schedule.asp
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on January 02, 2009, 10:58:37 AM
As for getting D3 programs in the south, flordia is probably the key...is it true that state has zero d3 football programs?...just compare that to ohio which is loaded with them, than again, i really don't know the profiles of colleges located in flordia compared the traditional d3 type school's in ohio, so that might be the issue. In the SCAC, Oglethorpe really is a void in Georgia...i'm wondering if they won't be forced to drop out of the scac do to $'s, yeah, i know they like to hang with the "cool kids" but they have cost benefit issues that don't add up to them staying in the scac...on the other hand berry college could add football without worrying about the $'s and turn into a power...of course, the folks running Oglethorpe probably don't want to see them out of the scac and berry with football in it, so unless forced out, don't see them leaving. Any news on hendrix football? that should fill the void in Arkansas for d3 football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 11:17:54 AM
cush, Palm Beach Atlantic FL spent one year as a provisional member in D3 and then promptly moved to D2.

Honestly, I don't see any schools in Florida that "look" D3 material.  All of the small liberal arts schools are D2 or NAIA or NCCAA.  Pensacola Christian and Southeastern Bible (Lakeland) NAIA have played the Great South AC schools in basketball.  Edward Waters is NAIA.  As an HBCU, I could see their joining a D2 "HBCU" conference just to have someone to play.

Also, to be a successful D3, I think that you need at least 4 schools (two pairs of travel partners) to make it viable for a conference to want them.

Look at the problems that geographically isolated UMaine Presque Isle, Finlandia MI and Nebraska Wesleyan have.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 02, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
Ralph and others---
Do you expect any movement with teams coming in---or out---of the SCAC in the next 2-3 years? It's my understanding that Hendrix is coming in for football...thanks for any perspective...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on January 02, 2009, 02:12:13 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 11:17:54 AM
cush, Palm Beach Atlantic FL spent one year as a provisional member in D3 and then promptly moved to D2.

Honestly, I don't see any schools in Florida that "look" D3 material.  All of the small liberal arts schools are D2 or NAIA or NCCAA.  Pensacola Christian and Southeastern Bible (Lakeland) NAIA have played the Great South AC schools in basketball.  Edward Waters is NAIA.  As an HBCU, I could see their joining a D2 "HBCU" conference just to have someone to play.

Also, to be a successful D3, I think that you need at least 4 schools (two pairs of travel partners) to make it viable for a conference to want them.

Look at the problems that geographically isolated UMaine Presque Isle, Finlandia MI and Nebraska Wesleyan have.


  Ralph

When Wesley played Webber Int. this year one of the articles about the game noted that they only had one conference game and that was with Edward Waters(Wesley played them a few years back)who is also a young program. Unfortunately I don't see either going D III because they probably are heavily baseball and warm weather sport oriented. I don't know enough about the conference to know if any other schools are picking up football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 02, 2009, 02:24:35 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 02, 2009, 12:06:33 PM
Ralph and others---
Do you expect any movement with teams coming in---or out---of the SCAC in the next 2-3 years? It's my understanding that Hendrix is coming in for football...thanks for any perspective...

Hendrix (http://www.hendrix.edu/athletics/blog.aspx?BlogID=3022) is the only that I have heard.

I think that the SCAC wants to consolidate at twelve before adding teams.

Just my opinion, but 12 is a great number, especially if you break into divisions.

The next number might be 16 and breaking into two distinct conferences, but I cannot think of 4 schools who might be added.  When I look at attributes of SCAC schools, I look at:

endowments (at least $100M),
Phi Beta Kappa chapters,
"US News & World Report"/Princeton scores,
Associated Colleges of the South (http://www.colleges.org/).

When you get that exclusive, where a school is hitting 3 out of 4 of those criteria, you are down to UDallas, D-1 Centenary LA, NAIA Berry GA, NAIA Berea KY and even ODAC Washington and Lee (but I don't think they want the travel).

I think that the SCAC stabilizes at 10 football schools.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 02, 2009, 04:12:27 PM
Thanks for the in depth info, Ralph....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 04, 2009, 08:21:40 AM
Gentlemen,

I need your prayers. I'm in the fight of my life to save me leg and perhaps my life.

What started as a spider bite a day or two before Christmas has turned into an infection of staph and strep in a class as Flesh-eating bacteria. I've been getting excellent treatment and have made some slow progress. I've got a 16" gash on my leg from two surgeries and it remains open to the muscle and bone in order to not give these beaties anywhere to hide.

I'm blessed to be surrounded by family and friends as well as a medical team that includes two pesonal friend MD's.

I can really use your prayers as I'm not out of the woods yet.

Much love,

Scott

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 04, 2009, 09:43:37 AM
My prayers are with you.  (I think I know what you have by what you described!  The beasties are a "bear' to treat, even when everything is done right.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 04, 2009, 02:48:16 PM
God's Speed, Tex. Will have you in our prayers in Indiana.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 04, 2009, 06:18:05 PM
Ditto here in Austin, Scott.  My MIL got a MRSA infection summer before last and her medical team (in Jackson, WY of all places) were eventually able to beat it back.  I pray that your team will get a handle on your bug. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 04, 2009, 10:28:07 PM
Tex ... our prayers are with you as well.  Fight the good fight and take the medicine and treatment one day at a time.  Hope to see you up and around in late January in S.A.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on January 05, 2009, 02:58:22 PM
My prayers for your speedy recovery. Let us know how you are doing.

God Bless!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on January 05, 2009, 06:11:02 PM
... we lift you up Tex, trusting God for your healing and your peace through the struggle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 06, 2009, 06:30:30 PM
Ladies and Gents:

I present to you a modern miracle. A reasonably healthy 47 year old male is taken to near death by a simple killing machine called bacteria. The spider bite was simply the opening into the skin that allowed the killing machine in.

For you geeks out there, the final analysis turns out to be a combination of staph and strep that hit some sort of critical mass and started to feed off each other. Something about one of them being anaerobic and the other aerobic. Not sure about all that, but the outcome was nearly fatal and quite devastating of all the flesh it came into contact with.

Necrotising fasciiitis
http://www.gov.mb.ca/health/publiche..._fasciitis.pdf


None of my medical team can believe I am healing this quickly. This is where the true miracle is happening. The power of prayer. I'll leave it at that and give God all the glory for what is happening. I cannot even count the number of groups of family, friends and coworkers that have been praying for me. I can feel it though.

So, if you're one of those, please do not stop praying for me. I'm not 100% yet, but I have been told that my leg appears intact and my life appears to be still on loan from God.

Cheers and thanks to each and every one of you that took the time to intercede on my behalf.

Scott <--- the luckiest man in the world.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 07, 2009, 06:40:42 AM
QuoteNone of my medical team can believe I am healing this quickly. This is where the true miracle is happening. The power of prayer.

No doubt about it.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 07, 2009, 03:37:35 PM
Tex;
Thanks for the update ... very glad to hear good news.
The power of prayer is a mighty weapon in times of trouble.
We won't stop until we hear you're healed and home walking and leaping!
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 09, 2009, 03:34:48 PM
Well, they're about to take me off IV antibiotics.  Great thing.  I'm on a wound vac with the leg.  Probably be cutting me loose on Monday with about 6 weeks of home health care in my near future. 

Really glad to be alive.  Thankful for all the folks praying for me.  At last count, with all the congregations and such across the country with all my friends have told me about, I had at one point about 5000 folks praying for me.  Pretty cool. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 11, 2009, 01:01:47 AM
Guess who's sleeping in his own bed/home tonight? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on January 11, 2009, 01:10:38 PM
Praise God who thankfully never rests or forgets.
Tex continue with a great recovery. We will continue to pray for you and your family.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on January 11, 2009, 10:08:13 PM
I thought the D1 "national championship" game last week was exciting. Going into game the general consensus - at least in the part of north Texas where we live - was that the Big12 was thought of as an offense oriented conference in 2008 and that the SEC was more defense oriented.

Just for fun I'd like to poll you guys and gals for your opinions regarding the SCAC this past fall {or beyond for some of you long-timers}.

SCAC 2008 overall. Offense, or defense?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 12, 2009, 10:13:43 AM
From my limited time here, I'd say SCAC is offense.


I thoroughly enjoyed the D-1 title game last week.  I thought it one of the most entertaining games i'd seen all year.  Tebow is just a stud.  That little jump shot TD pass was pretty slick at the end.  I guess when you're 6'5" you can do that sort of thing. 

Now that I'm home, I'm working thru some of my bowl game backlog on the DVR.  Watching the Insight.com bowl this AM. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 12, 2009, 10:29:55 AM
Quote from: Tex on January 12, 2009, 10:13:43 AM
From my limited time here, I'd say SCAC is offense.


I thoroughly enjoyed the D-1 title game last week.  I thought it one of the most entertaining games i'd seen all year.  Tebow is just a stud.  That little jump shot TD pass was pretty slick at the end.  I guess when you're 6'5" you can do that sort of thing. 

Now that I'm home, I'm working thru some of my bowl game backlog on the DVR.  Watching the Insight.com bowl this AM. 
It's amazing the lengths that some guys will go just to lie around the house watching bowl games on his DVR!  :D

May you hang around to do it for many more years!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 12, 2009, 11:02:33 AM
Tex,

Just now looked at the football board for the first time in a long time, catching up on your posts from the beginning in regards to that nasty infection.  Glad to hear that the recovery is progressing so rapidly. 

The timing of your injury coincided with something similar to one in the Millsaps family.  In mid-December, former Millsaps president George Harmon fell off a ladder and scraped his arm.  No big deal as far as the fall was concerned but the scrape led to a blood infection and he passed away seven days later.  It's a very scary thing and a reminder to all of us to appreciate the time we have and to get to the doctor as soon as we think there might be some sort of problem.  Take care and continue with the speedy recovery,

Frank.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 12, 2009, 11:32:49 AM
QuoteThe timing of your injury coincided with something similar to one in the Millsaps family.  In mid-December, former Millsaps president George Harmon fell off a ladder and scraped his arm.  No big deal as far as the fall was concerned but the scrape led to a blood infection and he passed away seven days later.  It's a very scary thing and a reminder to all of us to appreciate the time we have and to get to the doctor as soon as we think there might be some sort of problem.  Take care and continue with the speedy recovery,

Scary, indeed. I think we're all hearing, or experiencing, these types of things on a seemingly much greater scale. Underscores your point about getting to the doc...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 12, 2009, 05:46:36 PM
QuoteJust for fun I'd like to poll you guys and gals for your opinions regarding the SCAC this past fall {or beyond for some of you long-timers}.

SCAC 2008 overall. Offense, or defense?

I agree with Tex on offense. But what I like about the conference is how it, in my opinion, seems to be maturing into a league that offers competitive teams top to bottom. The top teams in the league can obviously throw the ball...Juan Joseph's ability speaks for itself. DePauw's Spud Dick and Trinity's Bryant Wilson put up huge numbers as well (and as a DPU fan I'm excited that Spud is back for one more year!) Receivers like DPU's Koors, Mulligan and Dahlstrom; Trinity's Curry, Millsaps' McCarty to name a few are top notch...so I think the league is blessed with lots of skilled players. And I have been impressed by a team like Austin, which a couple of years ago just wan't very good...but now has the makings of a strong team with a pretty tough ground game. Even Birmingham-Southern, which hasn't put up many W's is I think 4th int he league in total offense. The SCAC, perhaps because of its southern roots, is blessed with some pretty decent speed, on both sides of the ball...and that makes it a fun conference to watch, IMHO...





 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 12, 2009, 06:23:29 PM
I agree that it's offense now, but I think it's kind of cyclical.  Go back a couple of years, say 2004 and 2005, and I think it's defense.  TU's Black Flag was nasty, DePauw was hanging their hat on #31 and one of the best and most talented defensive units in school history.  Centre and Rhodes were both great on that side (Rhodes still is). 

Now, go back a couple more years and I think you're talking about offense again.  Dan DesPlaines took Trinity to the Stagg.  Andy Yoder and Jason Lee were two of the most prolific passers in DePauw history (until this current guy came along).  Centre scored almost 40 per in 2001.  Rhodes scored 30 per in 2002.  So on and so forth.....  I could go on and on.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 12, 2009, 07:28:53 PM
QuoteI agree that it's offense now, but I think it's kind of cyclical.  Go back a couple of years, say 2004 and 2005, and I think it's defense.  TU's Black Flag was nasty, DePauw was hanging their hat on #31 and one of the best and most talented defensive units in school history.  Centre and Rhodes were both great on that side (Rhodes still is). 

Some good perspective, Wes...and while offense may have an edge, that's not to slight the current defensive efforts in the SCAC. Millsaps is a pretty impressive mix of size and speed; Trinity has some athletes on D; Rhodes as you mentioned and I think Centre can still be a pretty good defensive club with an all american LB and another backer that I think is just as good. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 12, 2009, 08:14:50 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 12, 2009, 11:02:33 AM
Tex,

Just now looked at the football board for the first time in a long time, catching up on your posts from the beginning in regards to that nasty infection.  Glad to hear that the recovery is progressing so rapidly. 

The timing of your injury coincided with something similar to one in the Millsaps family.  In mid-December, former Millsaps president George Harmon fell off a ladder and scraped his arm.  No big deal as far as the fall was concerned but the scrape led to a blood infection and he passed away seven days later.  It's a very scary thing and a reminder to all of us to appreciate the time we have and to get to the doctor as soon as we think there might be some sort of problem.  Take care and continue with the speedy recovery,

Frank.

Wow, Frank, that's horrible about Mr. Harmon.  The thing they say I had going for me is the infection started at my left knee area.  That's further away from my heart than Mr. Harmon's arm. 

A doctor friend of mine told me he doesn't want to be a doc in 30 years.  He thinks these type things are only going to increase and exponentially. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 12, 2009, 10:10:46 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on January 12, 2009, 06:23:29 PM...
Now, go back a couple more years and I think you're talking about offense again.  Dan DesPlaines took Trinity to the Stagg. 

Wes, while DesPlaines was the unfortunate Stagg starter, Trinity's flying circus years  came from the arm of one Roy Hampton and WRs like Jason Hunt and Jerheme Urban.  A 1500-yd runner the Stagg year by the name of Jeremy Boyce didn't hurt, either. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 14, 2009, 05:10:33 PM
I knew that.   :-\

EDIT: Actually misread that.  Thought you were telling me DesPlains wasn't the Stagg starter.  Which, the more I thought about it, I talked myself into believing.  So, now that I read it again, I was right all along.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on January 15, 2009, 09:23:59 AM
Damn TEX,
Wife told me she swung by here yesterday and read about this. I'm so glad this is turning around in your favor. Hate to even think about D3 Boards with ya man. Hang tough, get better and we'll see ya come the Fall.....

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on January 15, 2009, 12:18:32 PM
gracias
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 19, 2009, 11:44:46 AM
Trinity alum Jerheme Urban and the Arizona Cardinals won the NFC championship yesterday to advance to Super Bowl XLIII on February 1st.

Victoria's Urban bound for Super Bowl
http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/topsports/story/396163.html

Championship is a family affair
http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/topsports/story/394985.html

Congratulations, Jerheme ... good luck in the Super Bowl!

Any other SCAC or DIII alums ever had a chance to go to the big dance?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 21, 2009, 08:19:22 AM
The new website for Millsaps athletics went online yesterday.  Check it out and note that there is a box on the lower right where you can sign up for the sports e-newsletter.

Link:  http://www.gomajors.com/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 21, 2009, 07:49:50 PM
QuoteThe new website for Millsaps athletics went online yesterday.  Check it out and note that there is a box on the lower right where you can sign up for the sports e-newsletter.

Very well done. Nice upgrade...but I'll pass on the e-newsletters. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 21, 2009, 09:44:34 PM
QuoteTrinity alum Jerheme Urban and the Arizona Cardinals won the NFC championship yesterday to advance to Super Bowl XLIII on February 1st.

when did urban graduate? his last season at trinity?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 21, 2009, 10:12:07 PM
His final game was the 2002 Stagg Bowl, graduated '03. 

Urban is also the only person to be named "SCAC Track and Field Athlete of the Year" four years running.  He still comes down to SA and works as an assistant T&F coach during the off-season, as does his wife. 

There's an audio-only interview with Urban on the SCAC blog (http://scacsports.blogspot.com/2009/01/scac-interactive-former-trinity.html).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 23, 2009, 04:27:50 PM
Trinity Athletics' website has posted a short article describing Urban's career while at TU:

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Urban_SB.htm

GO CARDINALS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 24, 2009, 10:33:54 AM
QuoteHis final game was the 2002 Stagg Bowl, graduated '03. 

Does he have a brother who played/plays for Trinity?

Also...what is your early take on the 2009 Trinity Tigers?


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2009, 11:44:16 PM
Little brother Caleb, an inch or two shorter than Jerheme,  transferred from Texas A&M (where I think he was a redshirt DB) and has played WR at Trinity two years now.   He showed some real spark at WR his first year, not as much in 2008, but was more of a factor on end arounds and returns (18 catches/219 yds/2 tds; 7 rushes/113 yds; 15 kick returns/407 yds/1 TD).  There's  potential there and with so many WRs graduating this year he should start next season.  Caleb is listed as a junior this year, don't know if he still has two years eligibility or not.   

2009 ... Trinity graduates an awful lot of their offense, about the only returning skill player is RB Chris Baer (medical from a season or two ago).  QB, WRs, PK, most of the line is gone.   Defensively the LBs come back as do some of the line, DB, and P.   Could be a pretty tough year for Coach Mohr's bunch and they get to travel to Millsaps, DePauw, and Rhodes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2009, 10:22:57 AM
Trinity president John Brazil will step down (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/local_news/Trinity_University_president_retiring_next_year.html?c=y&commentSubmitted=y#comments) in January 2010.  It's hard to believe he's been there a decade.  He has done a fine job during his tenure, upgrading facilities, faculty, academics, and the school's financial resources.   

Maybe his successor can get the dang football field upgraded.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 25, 2009, 10:47:37 AM
QuoteLittle brother Caleb, an inch or two shorter than Jerheme,  transferred from Texas A&M (where I think he was a redshirt DB) and has played WR at Trinity two years now.   He showed some real spark at WR his first year, not as much in 2008, but was more of a factor on end arounds and returns (18 catches/219 yds/2 tds; 7 rushes/113 yds; 15 kick returns/407 yds/1 TD).  There's  potential there and with so many WRs graduating this year he should start next season.  Caleb is listed as a junior this year, don't know if he still has two years eligibility or not.   

2009 ... Trinity graduates an awful lot of their offense, about the only returning skill player is RB Chris Baer (medical from a season or two ago).  QB, WRs, PK, most of the line is gone.   Defensively the LBs come back as do some of the line, DB, and P.   Could be a pretty tough year for Coach Mohr's bunch and they get to travel to Millsaps, DePauw, and Rhodes.

Thanks for the knowledge, Ron, on both counts...Even with the losses, I'm sure Coach Mohr will put together a very competitive club...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 25, 2009, 01:32:20 PM
Questions for Frank, LAMajor and other Millsaps supporters...what is you outloom for 2009? Who is the heir apparent to Joseph at QB? I know there were some rumblings (or seemed to be anyway) regarding Coach DuBose future and the possibility of him taking a coordinator's job in DI...be interested in any perspective you might have....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on January 25, 2009, 04:36:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2009, 11:44:16 PM

2009 ... Trinity graduates an awful lot of their offense, about the only returning skill player is RB Chris Baer (medical from a season or two ago).  QB, WRs, PK, most of the line is gone.   Defensively the LBs come back as do some of the line, DB, and P.   Could be a pretty tough year for Coach Mohr's bunch and they get to travel to Millsaps, DePauw, and Rhodes.

Ron- It seems like someone posted at the end of the season that QB Wilson might be back for another season under eligibility rules. Am I mistaken? Any idea {anyone}?
... and don't overlook that season finale in Sherman next fall.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 25, 2009, 04:54:32 PM
Quote from: rooski on January 25, 2009, 04:36:09 PM
Ron- It seems like someone posted at the end of the season that QB Wilson might be back for another season under eligibility rules. Am I mistaken? Any idea {anyone}?
... and don't overlook that season finale in Sherman next fall.  ;D

The writeup for the season finale (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/game_summaries/TU-AC.htm) stated "[q]uarterback Bryant Wilson had a solid outing on his final day under center for the Tigers," so no, don't think he'll be back.  Sure you weren't thinking about Chris Baer?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on January 25, 2009, 05:05:09 PM
D3_DPUFan: I'm like you and figure Millsaps will be plenty to deal with again in 2009. They were/are obviously no fluke. Naturally, the Roos will get the first conference look at them in September. - ugh!

And I have thought some about the top 4 finishers next season and don't know how anyone could be expected to break into that group - as much as I'd like to see at least one newcomer there... But I do think that the order of finish is wide open and that your Tigers and Centre may have as good a shot at the top two spots as the Colonels and the TU Tigers will. I really liked the DPU and Centre teams last year - gritty and talented, and Millsaps and Trinity may have some serious turnover to navigate if I read the experts right.

The Roos have been hosting a lot of prospects this winter but that does not necessarily translate to significant contributions for this year. However, unlike MC and TU there is a pretty good, experienced group returning this fall and I really hope AC can push the leaders hard in '09. As you know we have not competed very well in Greencastle the last couple of times there but maybe we can keep it close there this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on January 25, 2009, 05:12:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger link=topic=4753.msg1021773#msg1021773 date=123292047

The
url=http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/game_summaries/TU-AC.htm]writeup for the season finale[/url] stated "[q]uarterback Bryant Wilson had a solid outing on his final day under center for the Tigers," so no, don't think he'll be back.  Sure you weren't thinking about Chris Baer?

Probably so. Thanks. And Chris is plenty to deal with as it is!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 25, 2009, 06:45:08 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 2009 Trinity Tigers)


Really glad to hear that Chris Baer will be back for 2009. Question: does anyone know the status of Riley Curry (WR) and/or Jeremy Staska (QB) for 2009? Either Staska or Robert Davidson should start at QB in 2009; Staska has a great arm and Davidson is a great ball carrier. This would be ideal for a two QB system which Trinity has not used in many, many years; probably some of Coach Warren Woodson's teams (yes, I was there to see it). I believe that Caleb Urban (WR) has two more years of eligibility; he should not have lost any playing time for his freshman redshirt year at Texas A&M. All-in-all, if these offensive players return I expect the 2009 version of Trinity Tigers to be as strong as the 2008 group; IMHO possibly a lot stronger.

                                                                                :)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 25, 2009, 08:27:32 PM
QuoteAnd I have thought some about the top 4 finishers next season and don't know how anyone could be expected to break into that group - as much as I'd like to see at least one newcomer there... But I do think that the order of finish is wide open and that your Tigers and Centre may have as good a shot at the top two spots as the Colonels and the TU Tigers will. I really liked the DPU and Centre teams last year - gritty and talented, and Millsaps and Trinity may have some serious turnover to navigate if I read the experts right.

The Roos have been hosting a lot of prospects this winter but that does not necessarily translate to significant contributions for this year. However, unlike MC and TU there is a pretty good, experienced group returning this fall and I really hope AC can push the leaders hard in '09. As you know we have not competed very well in Greencastle the last couple of times there but maybe we can keep it close there this year.

I don't think there will be many, or any. off weekends for anbody in the league.
And by the way, if the Roos are bringing back alot, I would definitely not be surprised to see them finish in the upper half of the league. Glad we have them at home this year...but I'm sure it will be a real test.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on January 25, 2009, 11:35:16 PM
I agree that it might not be quite so dim an outlook for the TU Tigers in 2009!  Every year the graduating seniors are missed, but opportunities arise for the younger guys to step in and step up.

Yes, a number of the named players have remaining seasons of eligibility ... we'll see who shows up for spring practice and again in August.  As always, I expect the men from SA to contend for another SCAC title. Looking forward to another great season ...

===================

Every day this week, the Victoria Advocate will be publishing another story about their hometown hero, Super-Bowl-bound Jerheme Urban.

A nice story in today's (Sunday's) edition is here:

Victoria's Jerheme Urban gets to take his game to the Super Bowl
http://www.victoriaadvocate.com/847/story/400385.html

GO CARDINALS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 26, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Some random questions to ponder for 2009...

Austin: Can the Roos and their talented ground game continue improvement into the upper half of the league?

Birmingham-Southern: Can Panthers improve on defense and build on location in football-rich 'Bama? 

Centre: Will the talented defense rebound from the loss of All America LB Hay?

Colorado College: D gave up 33 points per game in '08; can offense help manufacture a win or two?

DePauw: Lots of skilled players return on both sides of the ball, is this the Tigers' year?

Millsaps: Rebuild or reload? Will Millsaps' success continue in the post-Joseph era?

Rhodes: Can a team known for its defense add the missing elements and put it all together?

Sewanee:  Athletic secondary in '08, any help on the way elsewhere?

Trinity: Tigers lose lots of talent, is the pipeline up to Trinity standards?


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2009, 01:09:10 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 26, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Some random questions to ponder for 2009...

Austin: Can the Roos and their talented ground game continue improvement into the upper half of the league?

Birmingham-Southern: Can Panthers improve on defense and build on location in football-rich 'Bama? 

Centre: Will the talented defense rebound from the loss of All America LB Hay?

Colorado College: D gave up 33 points per game in '08; can offense help manufacture a win or two?

DePauw: Lots of skilled players return on both sides of the ball, is this the Tigers' year?

Millsaps: Rebuild or reload? Will Millsaps' success continue in the post-Joseph era?

Rhodes: Can a team known for its defense add the missing elements and put it all together?

Sewanee:  Athletic secondary in '08, any help on the way elsewhere?

Trinity: Tigers lose lots of talent, is the pipeline up to Trinity standards?
Hendrix:  How many players will show up?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2009, 01:12:39 PM
I think that Jerheme Urban should give complimentary tickets to his biggest D3 press agent!

Bonzo!    ;D   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 26, 2009, 02:07:24 PM
QuoteHendrix:  How many players will show up?

Are they actually playing next season?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 26, 2009, 02:41:50 PM
I don't think Hendrix is starting in 2009.  Here is the announcement regarding football:

http://www.hendrix.edu/eventsnews/eventsnews.aspx?id=21548

No mention of date.   Recent student senate minues (http://www.hendrix.edu/senate/senate.aspx?id=36148) talk about 2010 as not being realistic "but that's the goal."

Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 26, 2009, 01:12:39 PM
I think that Jerheme Urban should give complimentary tickets to his biggest D3 press agent!

Bonzo!    ;D   :D

LOL.  If you listened to his SCAC podcast he said he had so many family members to take care of  that he couldn't even give Coach Mohr one.   His 'press agent' will have to watch it on TV like everyone else here.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: theoneandonly on January 26, 2009, 02:44:05 PM
that is great news for hendrix, while some schools are cutting football (Blackburn College) other schools are picking up the slack and giving more opportunity to its athletes while also helping boost enrollment! congrats hendrix on football and lacrosse
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 26, 2009, 08:35:17 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 26, 2009, 11:54:16 AM
Some random questions to ponder for 2009...

Austin: Can the Roos and their talented ground game continue improvement into the upper half of the league?

Birmingham-Southern: Can Panthers improve on defense and build on location in football-rich 'Bama? 

Centre: Will the talented defense rebound from the loss of All America LB Hay?

Colorado College: D gave up 33 points per game in '08; can offense help manufacture a win or two?

DePauw: Lots of skilled players return on both sides of the ball, is this the Tigers' year?

Millsaps: Rebuild or reload? Will Millsaps' success continue in the post-Joseph era?

Rhodes: Can a team known for its defense add the missing elements and put it all together?

Sewanee:  Athletic secondary in '08, any help on the way elsewhere?

Trinity: Tigers lose lots of talent, is the pipeline up to Trinity standards?

My answers, in order: No, no, no, no, maybe but probably not, yes, no, yes, yes

I don't think Austin will be better than Centre, which puts them 5th out of 9. 

I think BSC is still a couple years away. 

Centre takes a step back defensively, but possibly a step forward offensively with Conliffe, Osterman, and Pinque all returning. 

That Colorado offense was a special kind of bad last year.  That's BIG improvement for them if the defense doesn't get better.

The deck is stacked in favor of DePauw, but it has been that way before.  This year is the best chance I can recall, with the most prolific passer in school history returning to be a senior. 

Millsaps will still be good.

Rhodes has been trying to get the offense up to their defense since Dan Swanstrom left.  For a couple years
there, the biggest scoring threat for the Lynx was our buddy HunterT.   :D

I really like Sewanee.  I think they'll continue to get better.  Robert Black is the right guy for that job.  I believe that 100%.  He'll get some kids in there that can play.

I don't think the pipeline is the issue with Trinity.  The issue is how Robert Davidson is, and who the heck he's going to throw it to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 26, 2009, 09:57:19 PM
QuoteMy answers, in order: No, no, no, no, maybe but probably not, yes, no, yes, yes

I don't think Austin will be better than Centre, which puts them 5th out of 9. 

I think BSC is still a couple years away. 

Centre takes a step back defensively, but possibly a step forward offensively with Conliffe, Osterman, and Pinque all returning. 

That Colorado offense was a special kind of bad last year.  That's BIG improvement for them if the defense doesn't get better.

The deck is stacked in favor of DePauw, but it has been that way before.  This year is the best chance I can recall, with the most prolific passer in school history returning to be a senior. 

Millsaps will still be good.

Rhodes has been trying to get the offense up to their defense since Dan Swanstrom left.  For a couple years
there, the biggest scoring threat for the Lynx was our buddy HunterT.   

I really like Sewanee.  I think they'll continue to get better.  Robert Black is the right guy for that job.  I believe that 100%.  He'll get some kids in there that can play.

I don't think the pipeline is the issue with Trinity.  The issue is how Robert Davidson is, and who the heck he's going to throw it to.

some good perspective...i agree with your take on sewanee (will be a tough one for DPU on the mountain); but I really think Austin may surprise some people this year. I was impressed by not only their talent level, but how hard they played last season. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 26, 2009, 10:48:29 PM
I don't disagree.  They are certainly getting better.  I wasn't sure how long Coach Gage could stick with the that offensive system in this conference, but he's doing a great job. 

I just think that at the end of the day, it's going to come down to whether or not they can beat Centre.  That's a long, long way off from now, though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2009, 08:36:27 AM
QuoteI don't disagree.  They are certainly getting better.  I wasn't sure how long Coach Gage could stick with the that offensive system in this conference, but he's doing a great job. 

Seems like he is getting buy in...the school has nice facilities...and if he can get a few kids headed to UT or A & M to just go to school or sit for three or four years, they could have something. They do play a little football int he state of Texas... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on January 27, 2009, 10:19:53 AM
In a fairly short time the Roos have gone from no where close, to oh so close. If only this were horse shoes... Since I saw the Roos 10 times last season and everyone else only once I will let you guys stoke those fires for us. But here is a Roo Dad's take on A/C.

Games against Centre the past two seasons {my only first hand knowledge} were very competitive and both went down to the wire. But to their credit Centre won both. It is amazing how much difference one or two plays can make in a teams posture {then again, see "Texas Longhorns"...}. Other games in '08 were a play or two away from a  different ending as well. Other wiser posters have already observed - finish a few drives, protect the football, avoid giving up the big play and we may have something here.

So it seems again a ton of work will have to go into taking that one step forward in the conference. The thing is, if the Roos do win in Danville this season there's still a conference full of other mid-pack teams working hard to improve as well. While DPU, Millsaps and Trinity - and probably Centre - can "assume" certain wins, the rest of the teams cannot. The Roos seemed to gained a mental toughness through the course of last season that will serve them well in 2009. They WILL play very hard and they do have a good amount of experience coming back.

The Roos focus on offense is naturally the ground game - and should be. But IMO the key to cracking into the "top 4 " may very well be the continued growth of the passing game. Not to the top of the conference stat sheet, but to a level of consistency that can keep the good run defenses off balance just enough. Coach Gage seemed a little more willing to throw last year but I expect his focus will always be on developing the run.

As I mentioned earlier, A/C seems to be attracting a little more interest in the north Texas region this off-season and I hope it bodes well for the Roos and the SCAC. And as a Dad/fan I might do well to modify my "vision" a bit and focus first on a winning conference record for this season and let the standings take care of themselves.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2009, 12:22:01 PM
Quote from: rooski on January 27, 2009, 10:19:53 AM
In a fairly short time the Roos have gone from no where close, to oh so close. If only this were horse shoes... Since I saw the Roos 10 times last season and everyone else only once I will let you guys stoke those fires for us. But here is a Roo Dad's take on A/C.
...

As I mentioned earlier, A/C seems to be attracting a little more interest in the north Texas region this off-season and I hope it bodes well for the Roos and the SCAC. And as a Dad/fan I might do well to modify my "vision" a bit and focus first on a winning conference record for this season and let the standings take care of themselves.
The best thing that can happen for D3 in north Texas is for all of those good high school players to realize that D3 ball is quality ball, that they can play and go to school and enjoy college.

I'm preaching to the choir, but there are at least 2 other players on every 4A and 5A high school team in DFW that could play D3 ball.  Think about the quality of play that the SCAC and the ASC would have then!

We just need to convince parents and coaches that D3 is the best option for their sons (and daughters)!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2009, 01:02:11 PM
QuoteI'm preaching to the choir, but there are at least 2 other players on every 4A and 5A high school team in DFW that could play D3 ball.  Think about the quality of play that the SCAC and the ASC would have then!

No question about it. I would think a similar statement can be made in the Birmingham, AL region as well...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2009, 02:59:51 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2009, 01:02:11 PM
QuoteI'm preaching to the choir, but there are at least 2 other players on every 4A and 5A high school team in DFW that could play D3 ball.  Think about the quality of play that the SCAC and the ASC would have then!

No question about it. I would think a similar statement can be made in the Birmingham, AL region as well...
The immediate beneficiaries are BSC, Huntingdon and LaGrange, then Sewanee, Rhodes, Maryville and Millsaps!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 28, 2009, 12:16:17 PM
QuoteThe immediate beneficiaries are BSC, Huntingdon and LaGrange, then Sewanee, Rhodes, Maryville and Millsaps!

Millsaps...the rich would get richer!!! ;)

I posed a question earlier regarding the future of Coach DuBose...no responses. Is that pretty much a dead issue???     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2009, 12:46:17 PM
I've been checking out the basketball and baseball boards and haven't been over here in a while. 

I guess the two big questions about Millsaps pertain to the status of the head coach and the quarterback position.  My impression is that Coach DuBose isn't planning on going anywhere as long as he gets support for the program and enough money for his coaching staff to make a decent living.  Of course, my opinion is highly unofficial and uninformed, but there haven't been any newspaper reports, etc, indicating that DuBose is leaving.

The quarterback position is a tough one.  When the backups got into the game last year, Millsaps was mostly keeping the ball on the ground to run out the clock.  I don't think there is a clearcut #1 candidate and I could certainly see the starter being a newcomer, maybe a JC transfer.  I believe there will be a lot of questions about Millsaps in general going into the 1st game and maybe DePauw should be considered the favorite in the preseason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 28, 2009, 01:11:34 PM
QuoteI guess the two big questions about Millsaps pertain to the status of the head coach and the quarterback position.  My impression is that Coach DuBose isn't planning on going anywhere as long as he gets support for the program and enough money for his coaching staff to make a decent living.  Of course, my opinion is highly unofficial and uninformed, but there haven't been any newspaper reports, etc, indicating that DuBose is leaving.

The quarterback position is a tough one.  When the backups got into the game last year, Millsaps was mostly keeping the ball on the ground to run out the clock.  I don't think there is a clearcut #1 candidate and I could certainly see the starter being a newcomer, maybe a JC transfer.  I believe there will be a lot of questions about Millsaps in general going into the 1st game and maybe DePauw should be considered the favorite in the preseason.

Interesting...perhaps the defense will be leaned upon a bit at least early on. As much attention as the Millsaps offense has received (and rightfully so) I was also impressed by the D...especially last season...nice mix of speed and toughness...I've got a feeling the Majors will be ready to play come September...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 28, 2009, 05:04:37 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 28, 2009, 01:11:34 PM
I was also impressed by the D...especially last season...nice mix of speed and toughness...I've got a feeling the Majors will be ready to play come September...

I agree, but that's a unit that loses 6 players, 5 of which were at least honorable mention all-conference.  4 of those 5 are the entire starting secondary.  I think they can recover, but with some of the offenses in this league, losing your entire secondary is a pretty scary situation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 28, 2009, 06:21:36 PM
QuoteI agree, but that's a unit that loses 6 players, 5 of which were at least honorable mention all-conference.  4 of those 5 are the entire starting secondary.  I think they can recover, but with some of the offenses in this league, losing your entire secondary is a pretty scary situation.

wow...didn't realize that...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 31, 2009, 09:34:03 AM
Trinity's Jerheme Urban is included in a feature on Kurt Warner that is running on ESPN...includes some video and a soundbite (maybe two) with him...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 01, 2009, 04:48:38 PM
Were there any DIII players from Texas or elsewhere on the rosters in the Texas vs. The Nation game Saturday. I caught part of it on CBS College Sports... Jason Boltus from Hartwick played some QB and threw a touchdown pass...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 01, 2009, 05:08:11 PM
Glancing at the roster (http://texasvsthenation.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/2009-rosters.html), I did not see any Texas D3 players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on February 03, 2009, 06:35:38 PM
The 2009 schedule on the Centre College football website shows 2 of their home games with a 7:30pm start time. A/C is one of them. We were there in '07 and I just don't remember there being lights at the stadium. It was a very bright, sunny and warm day so I could have overlooked them.

The '07 schedule shows no night games there, but one was scheduled in '08. So I am wondering if the game will be on campus or elsewhere - and if anyone has played a night game in Danville? - Is this new? Anyone know?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 03, 2009, 08:00:07 PM
Can't swear to it, but I believe Farris Stadium does have lights.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on February 04, 2009, 09:39:20 PM
You're right. I found out that they did install lights prior to the '08 season. And also that they may be installing a new turf - though I don't know if natural or artificial - for the upcoming season. It sounds like 'all is good' with Centre football these days. I'm glad for them!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 04, 2009, 09:49:58 PM
Danville and environs are quite picturesque on a crisp fall afternoon...nice campus...but obnoxious stadium announcer...sorry if he is a legend or something...rather grating on the senses... ;) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 04, 2009, 10:35:52 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 04, 2009, 09:49:58 PM
Danville and environs are quite picturesque on a crisp fall afternoon...nice campus...but obnoxious stadium announcer...sorry if he is a legend or something...rather grating on the senses... ;) 

I always thought he sounded like the voiceover guy from Mortal Kombat.  FATALITY!! ALEX COORS WINS!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 05, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
QuoteI always thought he sounded like the voiceover guy from Mortal Kombat.  FATALITY!! ALEX COORS WINS!!

Good one, Wes...come to think of it, you may be right!  :D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on February 07, 2009, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 05, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
QuoteI always thought he sounded like the voiceover guy from Mortal Kombat.  FATALITY!! ALEX COORS WINS!!

Good one, Wes...come to think of it, you may be right!  :D



... All from a sense of passion I'm sure. I may be a bit "grating" on gameday myself, though a generally "great guy". ;D

Have any of you ordered from the photo gallery on the D3 football site? How is the quality? service? etc...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 08, 2009, 12:59:45 AM
Quote from: rooski on February 07, 2009, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 05, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
QuoteI always thought he sounded like the voiceover guy from Mortal Kombat.  FATALITY!! ALEX COORS WINS!!

Good one, Wes...come to think of it, you may be right!  :D



... All from a sense of passion I'm sure. I may be a bit "grating" on gameday myself, though a generally "great guy". ;D

Have any of you ordered from the photo gallery on the D3 football site? How is the quality? service? etc...
I hear that the guy who takes the AC pictures is really good at it!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 08, 2009, 01:24:50 PM
Quote from: rooski on February 07, 2009, 01:07:11 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 05, 2009, 01:17:12 PM
QuoteI always thought he sounded like the voiceover guy from Mortal Kombat.  FATALITY!! ALEX COORS WINS!!

Good one, Wes...come to think of it, you may be right!  :D



... All from a sense of passion I'm sure. I may be a bit "grating" on gameday myself, though a generally "great guy". ;D

Have any of you ordered from the photo gallery on the D3 football site? How is the quality? service? etc...

We try to do our best. This time of year with business being slow, we tend to turn photos around pretty quickly. I think we're priced competitively compared to what I see other individual photographers sell their prints at, and far, far better than the NCAA postseason games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on February 08, 2009, 10:44:53 PM
The opportunity to view and purchase game photos through this site is a treat. I agree that Josh Bowerman does a real good job with it. Apparently he has done this for some time, in various regions and venues, so I feel really fortunate to be able to turn to this resource to help us document in picture the college football experience of our son and his teammates.

Plus, it is a chance to get a glimpse of some of the other DIII's around the country that we otherwise might never really get a chance to see. So "thank you" to those responsible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: imad3fanatic on February 10, 2009, 03:02:17 PM
Austin College Football Player dies.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29121935/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 10, 2009, 04:03:02 PM
QuoteAustin College Football Player dies.

http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/29121935/

Very, very sad. Prayers go out to his family...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on February 10, 2009, 04:55:48 PM
Agreed.

What a heartbreaker.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on February 10, 2009, 06:37:34 PM
An indescribably difficult time for the Austin College community. Prayers for the Zach's family, his teammates and the A/C family will make a difference in the days ahead.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 10, 2009, 07:25:05 PM
Very sad news.  My prayers are with the family and the AC community.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on February 10, 2009, 08:26:54 PM
What a tragedy, my prayers and thoughts go out to his family and his AC family
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HSU Football Commit on February 11, 2009, 06:07:10 PM
Its a tragedy that cannot be put into words and being a player in D3 at HSU I truly know that this is a terrible loss. If AC is like any other college team this is a huge loss for the AC players, family and the whole campus. My thoughts prayers and condolences go to his family... I speak for all college athletes that this is a huge loss... My thoughts and prayers are with them all
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on February 19, 2009, 11:32:26 PM
What a very sad loss.
I made 2 trips to Sherman and enjoyed the game experiences. Ironically the Roos played with such heart and never quit. We see these players play with such pure intention in DIII---just for the love of the game that each one of these guys are heros to me.
My thoughts and prayers are with his family, teammates, coaches and the Austin community.
Zach will never be forgotten.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 23, 2009, 06:58:42 PM
Spring football workouts are around the corner. Question...does your team benefit from Spring workouts and if so, why?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2009, 03:25:55 PM
From the SCAC website:

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. - Billy Blaustein, founder of the Cover One International initiative that provides ongoing community-service assistance in Honduras, has been named a recipient of a $7,500 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship. 

Blaustein, a starting flanker for Colorado College last season, is one of only 15 football players nationwide to receive the prestigious scholarship this year. He is scheduled to graduate in May with a bachelor's degree in international political economy.

"I'm really excited about it," Blaustein said. "I'm planning to work for a couple of years, but then go to grad school to study advanced economics. I'd like to do something with economic development in developing countries."

The one-time, non-renewable grants are awarded annually to students who excel academically and athletically, and who are in their final year of intercollegiate athletics competition. Only 29 apiece for men and women are available for each sports season (fall, winter and spring).

"We are thrilled that Billy has earned this prestigious scholarship," said Ken Ralph, director of athletics at CC. "It's wonderful that Billy's dedication to his academic pursuits and his commitment to the community at large has been rewarded."

To qualify for the scholarship, a student-athlete must have an overall grade-point average of 3.20 (on a 4.00 scale) and been a member of a varsity team. The student-athlete also must intend to continue academic work beyond the baccalaureate degree as a full-time or part-time graduate student.

Candidates are nominated by the school's faculty athletics representative, screened by regional selection committees, and the recipients are selected by the NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship Committee.

"I'm really thankful for all the support I've received from Coach Bodor, Ken Ralph and Greg Capell, everyone in the athletics department and everyone in the academic departments," Blaustein said. "It's been phenomenal."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 26, 2009, 07:43:22 PM
Just noticed DePauw has redesigned its athletics website...here's a link to the football site...I think it looks great (although not sure why they mixed in the old pictures with the ugly black helmets?!?!?)...

http://depauw.edu/ath/football/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 27, 2009, 01:09:40 AM
I liked the black helmets.  I thought the black pants with black helmets was a very classic look.  Really liked the all black look when those were worn at home.  Kind felt there was some level of intimidation when you show up and your opponent is in black from head to toe.  Honestly, how many times in all those football movies are the good guys dressed in all black?

I do like the current gold helmets and pants with the black jerseys, but I don't much care for them with the road whites.

I imagine those two particular photos containing the old helmets were picked for the following reasons:

1) the first shot is a REALLY cool crowd shot from Monon in 2006 (would be a black tiger paw with a gold outline if it were 2004.)  I thumbed through the Monon shots from the '08 game and didn't find anything near that cool.  It's a nice touch with the Wabash campus in the background.

2) The final shot has Anderson players in it, which is who DPU plays in the opener.  DPU wouldn't have sent a photographer to the road game last year, so the last time the team was photographed playing them was in the black helmets in 2006.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 27, 2009, 12:35:00 PM
QuoteI liked the black helmets.  I thought the black pants with black helmets was a very classic look.  Really liked the all black look when those were worn at home.  Kind felt there was some level of intimidation when you show up and your opponent is in black from head to toe.  Honestly, how many times in all those football movies are the good guys dressed in all black?

I do like the current gold helmets and pants with the black jerseys, but I don't much care for them with the road whites.

I imagine those two particular photos containing the old helmets were picked for the following reasons:

1) the first shot is a REALLY cool crowd shot from Monon in 2006 (would be a black tiger paw with a gold outline if it were 2004.)  I thumbed through the Monon shots from the '08 game and didn't find anything near that cool.  It's a nice touch with the Wabash campus in the background.

2) The final shot has Anderson players in it, which is who DPU plays in the opener.  DPU wouldn't have sent a photographer to the road game last year, so the last time the team was photographed playing them was in the black helmets in 2006.

Ugh...not in agreement on this one, Wes. Reminds me of the stupid move Purdue made in the late '80s (Fast Freddy Akers) to go away from the traditional gold helmets to black...ugly...Jim Coletto didn't win many games, but he did return the Boilers to gold helmets! And the only time I can ever recall an all black uniform providing a level of intimidation is when the players inside the uniforms were intimidatring:)

Football is about tradition...DePauw is gold and black and a gold helmet is one of the sharpest helmets in the game, IMHO. Kudos to Coach Walker for returning to the traditional look.

Photos of the black helmets aside, I think they did a really nice job with the new site...I assume SID Bill Wagoner had something to do with it...one more example of why he is among the hardest working and very best at what he does, at any level, in the country!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 27, 2009, 12:52:33 PM
...perhaps it's a moot point. Just went to the DePauw football site and there are  new pictures...including a really cool shot of the Monon Bell, surrounded by players with gold helmets! Very nice...:)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 28, 2009, 03:27:37 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 27, 2009, 12:35:00 PM
Football is about tradition...DePauw is gold and black and a gold helmet is one of the sharpest helmets in the game, IMHO. Kudos to Coach Walker for returning to the traditional look.

The thing about that is DePauw hasn't necessarily been tradionally helmeted in gold.  There's black in their past, too.  I didn't like the 2006 helmets with the white paw on it, but the ones they wore from 2002-2005 (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/Football/2004/images/111304/pages/DSC_1178.htm) with the black on black paw with the gold outline were my favorite.

Guess we'll agree to disagree.  I don't hate the gold helmets now, I just don't particularly like them with the white jerseys.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 28, 2009, 06:04:39 PM
I'm definitley a gold fan...but I agree with your take on the black helmets with the white paws...that's probably why I didn't like those so much...what do you think of the redesigned site, Wes?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 28, 2009, 07:52:42 PM
I've liked the last two redesigns.  The gold the last time was good, and a big improvement over the previous look, which was a burgandy and white look that it shared with the rest of DPU's sites. 

Functionality really hasn't been the issue, because the basic structure has stayed the same throughout, and justifiably so, but I do think this all black look is much cleaner.  It looks nice.  I'd say it looks better than a lot of our conference's athletic sites.  Considerably more user friendly and a lot more professional looking than many others.  I do like Centre's and Colorado's, although they probably have D1 type talent working on their media stuff for their D1 sports.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 01, 2009, 10:08:49 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2009, 03:25:55 PM
From the SCAC website:

INDIANAPOLIS, Ind. - Billy Blaustein, founder of the Cover One International initiative that provides ongoing community-service assistance in Honduras, has been named a recipient of a $7,500 NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship. 

Blaustein, a starting flanker for Colorado College last season, is one of only 15 football players nationwide to receive the prestigious scholarship this year. He is scheduled to graduate in May with a bachelor's degree in international political economy.

"I'm really excited about it," Blaustein said. "I'm planning to work for a couple of years, but then go to grad school to study advanced economics. I'd like to do something with economic development in developing countries."

The one-time, non-renewable grants are awarded annually to students who excel academically and athletically, and who are in their final year of intercollegiate athletics competition. Only 29 apiece for men and women are available for each sports season (fall, winter and spring).

"We are thrilled that Billy has earned this prestigious scholarship," said Ken Ralph, director of athletics at CC. "It's wonderful that Billy's dedication to his academic pursuits and his commitment to the community at large has been rewarded."

To qualify for the scholarship, a student-athlete must have an overall grade-point average of 3.20 (on a 4.00 scale) and been a member of a varsity team. The student-athlete also must intend to continue academic work beyond the baccalaureate degree as a full-time or part-time graduate student.

Candidates are nominated by the school's faculty athletics representative, screened by regional selection committees, and the recipients are selected by the NCAA Postgraduate Scholarship Committee.

"I'm really thankful for all the support I've received from Coach Bodor, Ken Ralph and Greg Capell, everyone in the athletics department and everyone in the academic departments," Blaustein said. "It's been phenomenal."

Thanks Ron for that post.  It's a great story that unfortunately gets lost by coming in the offseason.  What a nice reflection on the type of student-athletes that participate in the SCAC, plus, the last line is a nice reflection on the type of coaches and administrators we have in the SCAC. 

On a totally different note, I saw something that struck me as odd on the Rhodes website:

Rhodes Website Poll Question:  Who is Rhodes biggest SCAC Rival:
A) Centre
B) Sewanee
C) Trinity
D) DePauw
E) Hendrix

No Millsaps on the list?  That once was a huge rivalry and I wonder if I'm dating myself by thinking that it still is a rivaly.  If Centre-Rhodes is a bigger rivalry than Millsaps-Rhodes then things have changed quite a bit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 01, 2009, 01:10:59 PM
Sewanee?  Orgill Cup?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 06, 2009, 10:40:54 AM
There's a story on the Millsaps website about Receivers Coach David Johnson and Defensive Backs Coach Marcus Woodson leaving the Millsaps staff for new jobs at different schools.  Coach Johnson will be the Head Coach at St. Augustine High School in New Orleans and Coach Woodson will be the Defensive Backs Coach at Division I Charleston Southern University in Charleston, S.C.  The first game on their schedule in 2009 is against the Florida Gators.

It has been my impression that one of the appeals of coaching for Coach DuBose is the opportunity to mentor these assistant coaches and help them move up the coaching ladder.  While Coach Johnson and Coach Woodson will be greatly missed at Millsaps, I have a feeling that Coach DuBose is glad to see them move on to bigger and better things.  Here's the full story:

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/3/3/FB_0303091115.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on March 06, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
This may have been posted already, but just noticed the Millsaps 2009 schedule on the website.  The Trinity game is earlier in the season in Jackson this year followed the next week by Depauw in Greencastle, not an easy two weeks for the Majors!  Maybe the SCAC race will shape up early in the season this year. 

Don't know about how the Majors will look next season after losing some key players, but Dubose should have them re-loaded at the least...

http://www.gomajors.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=58&
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on March 06, 2009, 03:45:54 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 01, 2009, 10:08:49 AM
On a totally different note, I saw something that struck me as odd on the Rhodes website:

Rhodes Website Poll Question:  Who is Rhodes biggest SCAC Rival:
A) Centre
B) Sewanee
C) Trinity
D) DePauw
E) Hendrix

No Millsaps on the list?  That once was a huge rivalry and I wonder if I'm dating myself by thinking that it still is a rivaly.  If Centre-Rhodes is a bigger rivalry than Millsaps-Rhodes then things have changed quite a bit.

Don't know what the Rhodes people think but the game with Rhodes was the only game to ever generate any interest on the Mountain when I was student at Sewanee in the mid-80s.    I think it's still the same today. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 06, 2009, 03:57:25 PM
Quote from: exmajor on March 06, 2009, 11:29:41 AM
This may have been posted already, but just noticed the Millsaps 2009 schedule on the website.  The Trinity game is earlier in the season in Jackson this year followed the next week by Depauw in Greencastle, not an easy two weeks for the Majors!  Maybe the SCAC race will shape up early in the season this year. 

Don't know about how the Majors will look next season after losing some key players, but Dubose should have them re-loaded at the least...

http://www.gomajors.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=58&

Trinity's 2009 schedule is also up.  Starts with four straight roadies, the last of which is the aforementioned Millsaps tilt.   The bye week comes after week 5 (the home opener vs. B-SC).   Yeesh.

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/schedule.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 06, 2009, 06:37:09 PM
QuoteThis may have been posted already, but just noticed the Millsaps 2009 schedule on the website.  The Trinity game is earlier in the season in Jackson this year followed the next week by Depauw in Greencastle, not an easy two weeks for the Majors!  Maybe the SCAC race will shape up early in the season this year. 

Don't know about how the Majors will look next season after losing some key players, but Dubose should have them re-loaded at the least...

http://www.gomajors.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=58&

Actually, I just checked DPU's site...the schedule has changed...Tigers have Millaps at home and Rhodes in Memphis back to back...then in Colorado Springs and back home for Trinity...

End the regular season at home with Austin and Wabash...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 06, 2009, 11:30:08 PM
I wonder what the reason is for that change.  I don't think it really affects DePauw that much - they've got a pretty easy one before both Trinity (Sewanee) and Millsaps (Colorado). 

I think the one thing I'd like with regards to DePauw's schedule is to get one of the big three on the opposite year for home games.  Years like last year where you play @ TU, @ Millsaps, and @ Wabash are a killer.  Although, on the other hand, having those 3 at home this year sure will be nice.  Maybe I'll change my mind about that after this season's over.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 07, 2009, 09:53:16 PM
I heard today that Millsaps has lost a third member of their football staff.  Aaron Pelch has been hired by the Oakland Raiders.  I'm not sure if he will be their special teams coach, an assistant special teams coach, or what. 

As I said in my post a couple of days ago, I believe one of the appeals for Coach DuBose in coaching is the mentoring of these assistant coaches and seeing them move on to bigger and better things.  Moving from D3 football to the NFL is certainly a heck of a leap.

These coaching promotions tell me two things.  First, it tells me just how high the quality is of the Millsaps coaching staff and if I was a high school player that would be a good reason to take a hard look at the Millsaps program.  And second, it tells me that an up and coming coach might want to apply at Millsaps because it seems to be a springboard for coaches who are looking to move up the coaching ladder.

On a personal note, I'll really miss Coach Pelch, Coach Woodson, and Coach Johnson, the 3 coaches I probably talked to the most, but I am very happy for them as they move up the coaching ladder.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 08, 2009, 06:28:14 PM
QuoteI wonder what the reason is for that change.  I don't think it really affects DePauw that much - they've got a pretty easy one before both Trinity (Sewanee) and Millsaps (Colorado). 

I wouldn't call those "easy ones"...games DePauw should win...perhaps. But playing in the heat and humidity on the Mountain against a Sewanee team that is getting better and traveling more than half way across the country to play a team that has taken you to overtime the past two seasons will not be easy, IMHO.

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 08, 2009, 07:44:22 PM
I'd rather go to Colorado and Sewanee before those games than go to Centre and Austin.  Or, worse, have Trinity and Millsaps in back to back weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 08, 2009, 09:29:42 PM
I'd rather go to Colorado and Sewanee before those games than go to Centre and Austin.  Or, worse, have Trinity and Millsaps in back to back weeks.

Of course...my point is the Sewanee and CC games should not be viewed as easy...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 09, 2009, 02:22:31 AM
Christ.  Come on, man.  Why do you have to pick apart ever word that I post here?  Honestly.  That act is really wearing thin with me.  It's a relative term.   It gets no easier in this conference than that.  The only SCAC team that either of them have beat in the last two years (three years for Sewanee) is EACH OTHER.  Going to Colorado isn't like playing Hiram, Bluffton, or Olivet.  They're probably better than those teams.  The records don't show it, but they probably are.  Unfortunately, those other teams aren't in this conference.  Do all the "say all the right things" coachspeak stuff you want.  Whatever helps you sleep at night.   

If you want to play the "there are no easy wins in our super fantastic football conference!!111one!1!" card, go ahead.  It's easy for Trinity and Millsaps.  Hell, Rhodes was at home against those two teams, just like DePauw, and beat them by a combined 38 points.  DePauw beat them by only 10.  If DePauw wants to be in that conversation with Trinity and Millsaps, those wins need to start being that way for them, too.  A lot of those wins do.  You've probably got to beat at least two of Trinity, Millsaps, and Wabash, too, but that's not what we're talking about. 

You know how badly everybody close to this program wants the playoffs.  That's especially true now after the team and staff and fans all woke up the day after the Monon Bell Game and thought we were going to be in.  If you lose to 1-13 in the conference Colorado, then forget it.  That dream is over for another year, and probably longer with arguably the greatest QB in school history graduating.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 09, 2009, 06:58:15 AM
Wes---ease off the caffeine, bro...was just making an observation. I think we're on the same page here... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 09, 2009, 10:56:01 AM
QuoteTrinity's 2009 schedule is also up.  Starts with four straight roadies, the last of which is the aforementioned Millsaps tilt.   The bye week comes after week 5 (the home opener vs. B-SC).   Yeesh.

So Trinity will not have a home game until the mid point in the season? Ouch!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on March 09, 2009, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 09, 2009, 10:56:01 AM
QuoteTrinity's 2009 schedule is also up.  Starts with four straight roadies, the last of which is the aforementioned Millsaps tilt.   The bye week comes after week 5 (the home opener vs. B-SC).   Yeesh.

So Trinity will not have a home game until the mid point in the season? Ouch!


That is a wacky schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 09, 2009, 12:22:51 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on March 09, 2009, 11:33:11 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 09, 2009, 10:56:01 AM
QuoteTrinity's 2009 schedule is also up.  Starts with four straight roadies, the last of which is the aforementioned Millsaps tilt.   The bye week comes after week 5 (the home opener vs. B-SC).   Yeesh.

So Trinity will not have a home game until the mid point in the season? Ouch!


That is a wacky schedule.
Trinity had 6 home games (including McMurry) last season.  McMurry only had 4.  They complete the 2-year contract this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 09, 2009, 04:05:11 PM
QuoteThat is a wacky schedule.

...back to back road tilts against Rhodes and Millsaps...then at Greencastle in late October...the SA Tigers will indeed need to be road wariors this season...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2009, 05:28:00 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 09, 2009, 04:05:11 PM
QuoteThat is a wacky schedule.

...back to back road tilts against Rhodes and Millsaps...then at Greencastle in late October...the SA Tigers will indeed need to be road wariors this season...

And with a new QB to boot!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 09, 2009, 11:21:07 PM
Millsaps goes to Austin 9/19, hosts Trinity on 9/26, and then travel to DePauw on 10/3 and Colorado on 10/10.  Not exactly an easy schedule and they too will be going with a new quarterback.  Here's a link to the schedule and the story about Aaron Pelch going to the Oakland Raiders:

Schedule:  http://www.gomajors.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=58&

Aaron Pelch to Raiders:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/3/8/FB_0308092029.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on March 10, 2009, 01:09:17 AM
Congratulations to Austin College head coach Ronnie Gage.  ;D

It has been announced that he will be inducted into the Texas High School Coaches Association Hall of Honor at the THSCA coaching convention this summer.  This is the highest award that can be bestowed to someone who has coached Texas high school football!!

We are very proud of you Coach Gage!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on March 11, 2009, 09:38:26 PM
A high quality award for a high quality man and a high quality coach. Well deserved Coach!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on March 11, 2009, 10:12:31 PM
Since everyone has been talkin' schedules... I would have to say I think AC has a pretty decent one. Opening conference play at home vs Millsaps, then off to Danville for a rare night game. {We will certainly know what we've got at that point.} Then in November the last two are at Greencastle and home for TU.

While everyone knows we have not hung with MC or TU lately, I felt that we did compete with Centre and DPU in '08. But we lost to all four last season. So this schedule may kinda give us an early chance to see how we measure up. If were gonna show improvement this year we have to win one or more of these games. Who knows - if things go right, maybe we could be in a couple of really big games late in 2009. Time will tell. And the old saying really applies: "you have to take one game at a time".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 12:28:10 AM
From The DePauw DPU's college newspaper

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/20/Sports/Scac-Looks.For.Ways.To.Cut.Costs-3641137.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 12, 2009, 12:42:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 12, 2009, 12:28:10 AM
From The DePauw DPU's college newspaper

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/20/Sports/Scac-Looks.For.Ways.To.Cut.Costs-3641137.shtml

Very interesting article.  Thanks for posting that and I would call it highly recommended reading for all SCAC fans, players, and coaches.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on March 12, 2009, 06:25:35 PM
Hats off to the "powers that be" for their leadership!

While even guys like the 'Rooski' know that it takes money to keep college athletics going, we may tend to forget how much effort and forsight is required. Thanks for shining a light it for Ralph.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 14, 2009, 12:42:51 AM
Juan Joseph has signed with the Edmonton Eskimos of the Canadian Football League:

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/3/12/FB_0312095119.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 14, 2009, 10:42:48 AM
QuoteJuan Joseph has signed with the Edmonton Eskimos of the Canadian Football League:

Congrats to Juan and best wishes to a young man who has represented his school and conference well...I'm sure that will continue north of the border...need to check my satellite listings to see if I get any CFL games!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 14, 2009, 11:15:34 AM

From the Edmonton website...

Edmonton Eskimo Assistant General Manager Paul Jones says, "Juan Joseph is an unpolished gem. He's a strong and accurate passer who can also exploit defences with his running ability."

http://www.esks.com/default.aspx?tabid=1114
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 14, 2009, 04:18:24 PM
From that article that Ralph posted - I'm not sure that I believe Page about the whole switching conferences thing. 

Being in the SCAC was Bottoms' thing.  If I recall, he got us in it because he was BFF with the Millsaps president at the time.  While the new president is a fromer Trinity employee, I think a time like this makes the most sense for DePauw to try to get in somewhere else.  Such a seperation being blamed on the economy makes for better PR than they crap they pulled leaving the conference that they had helped create after such a short period of time.

The question is - where do they go?  They wouldn't want to go to the Heartland.  I was always told they got out of the ICAC because of prestige issues, among other things.  They can't get in the North Coast right now.  If you're going to use travel as the excuse for leaving, the UAA makes absolutely no sense.  I was a part of a study during my time as a student and, at the time, Wash U was the only D3 school who traveled more than DPU did.  I presume Colorado is now also ahead of DePauw that they've joined the conference. 

Now would be a good time to leave - but is there a better place for them right now?  Maybe not.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 14, 2009, 10:46:54 PM
I don't think the UAA would ever have any interest in Depauw, those guys are just a little different type of institution than depauw...no ? depauw would be a natural fit for the NCAC, always wondered why they didn't join as a par with wabash instead of going to the scac. I could also see depauw in the Midwest Conference but like the NCAC, they are at 10 members (all with football teams) so expanding probably isn't in the cards. THus, unless somebody drops out, depauw is out of luck in getting in either of those leagues. Another option for Depauw might be the Michigan Intercollegiate Athletic Association but really unless the NCAC ever has a open spot, I see Depauw staying in the SCAC + no chance they go back to the heartland. What i could see happen is the SCAC expand to 14 or 16 to try to easy the travel burdens by basically creating two separate leagues under one conference umbrella...pop in udallas in the west and berry college in the east right now for starters with the possibility of going to 16 at a later date.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 14, 2009, 11:45:05 PM
Why is a team in a conference? What is the criteria for an institution to belong to a conference...geography? quality of competition? consitency in the academic missions of schools involved?
Other than geography, why would DePauw want to be in the NCAC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 15, 2009, 12:50:14 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 14, 2009, 11:45:05 PM
Why is a team in a conference? What is the criteria for an institution to belong to a conference...geography? quality of competition? consitency in the academic missions of schools involved?
 
It's important to be thinking about the other sports besides football when you're talking about the quality of competition.  A couple years ago we'd be talking about men's basketball as a 3rd place finish right out of the gate in the NCAC because of Wooster & Wittenberg.  Not like that anymore.  The women's basketball program could run roughshod over that conference.  That conference kind of feels like the SCAC did about 2 or 3 years ago when DePauw was the only really, really good team in it.  Oglethorpe was growing and Trinity was starting to decline a little bit.  The NCAC probably evens the field for the baseball program a little bit.  DePauw is in about a month deep hole right now because Millsaps will have played 21 games and Trinity will have played 22 games by day's end.   DePauw is 7-5 with a couple of weather cancellations.  Trinity is having baseball practice over Christmas break.  Our pitching staff is making snow angels on the rubber.

I think DePauw is glad to be in the SCAC with schools like Trinity, Colorado, and Oglethorpe from an academic standpoint, but would they like to be with Denison, Kenyon, and Wabash more?  I'd think so.

I've got to believe that this new administration doesn't like the travel budget and exorbitant missed class time.  The number of flights that DePauw was taking automatically doubled when Colorado joined the conference.  It'd also be nice to have more than one school within 6 hours by bus.  It's over 4 hours to the closest school in our current configuration.  There are long bus rides in almost every conference, but DePauw is one of the few who has no short bus rides. 

They aren't going to reach to a HCAC, MIAA, or something like that.  I don't think that there's a hurry to switch, and if they don't find anything good, they'll just stay.  That said, there's something that tells me that Mr. Cotton isn't being completely honest with us. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 16, 2009, 12:38:19 PM
Interesting take...and the value to overall athletic program is indeed very important...but hey, why are we worried about travel expenses? I'm watching President OBama on the tube right now and he says things are looking up:)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on March 18, 2009, 10:50:23 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 23, 2009, 06:58:42 PM
Spring football workouts are around the corner. Question...does your team benefit from Spring workouts and if so, why?

Didn't see much feedback to your earlier question, but what were your thoughts on spring drills "DPU"?

And, are new coaches typically on the scene in time for spring workouts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bob.Gregg on March 20, 2009, 12:28:38 PM
Need some help, fellas....

Pretty good chance I'll be coming to San Antonio next week for the NCAA Division II Women's Elite Eight at St. Mary's University...

I'll be flying into San Antonio Tuesday midday.

Need suggestions on where to stay so as to be close to airport and St. Mary's.

Any suggestions appreciated:

Bob Gregg   bgregg@wjpa.com


THANKS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 20, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
QuoteDidn't see much feedback to your earlier question, but what were your thoughts on spring drills "DPU"?

And, are new coaches typically on the scene in time for spring workouts?

I would assume new coaches would want/need to be there...but am sure it's case by case situation.

Regarding spring practice at the DIII level I think it is very useful, although I think the restrictions vary from school to school. For example, i think some schools don't allow their teams to use a football during the seasions, which sounds crazy. For DPu and others I think it's a chance for some organized team workouts, but more importantly a chance to get in some good work in all three phases of the game and set some expectations for the summer...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 20, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 20, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
For example, i think some schools don't allow their teams to use a football during the seasions, which sounds crazy.

Maybe I'm wrong here, and I'll settle for that, but I was under the impression that such a restriction was typically put on by the conferences.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 20, 2009, 05:56:38 PM
QuoteMaybe I'm wrong here, and I'll settle for that, but I was under the impression that such a restriction was typically put on by the conferences.

I don't know...but you're probably right, Wes...don't you think that is silly? What in the H is the problem with using a football???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 20, 2009, 11:31:09 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on March 20, 2009, 05:00:52 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 20, 2009, 02:20:40 PM
For example, i think some schools don't allow their teams to use a football during the seasions, which sounds crazy.

Maybe I'm wrong here, and I'll settle for that, but I was under the impression that such a restriction was typically put on by the conferences.

It's not an NCAA policy:  p. 152-3 of the NCAA 2008-9 Division III Football Manual (http://www.ncaapublications.com/Uploads/PDF/Division_3_Manual_2008-093931a78a-9fe9-4077-93e0-d99fa45a51c1.pdf) states:

17.11.6 Out-of-Season Athletically Related Activities. Student-athletes and members of the coaching staff shall not engage in athletically related activities outside the playing season per Bylaw 17.02.1.1. (Revised: 1/14/02, effective 8/1/02, 10/22/03, 1/12/04 effective 8/1/04, 8/5/04, 1/10/05)
17.11.6.1 Exception. An institution is permitted to conduct conditioning and strength training sessions and limited skill instruction during a consecutive five-week period outside the playing season. During this five-week period, the institution may conduct athletically related activity on a maximum of 16 days with no more than four days of athletically related activity in any one week. Any athletically related activity (per Bylaw 17.02.1.1) shall constitute the use of a day. Skill instruction during this period shall be limited to passing, catching and kicking-related drills. Such instruction may include offensive and defensive alignments, but may not involve contact. Except for footballs, the use of helmets, pads, blocking sleds or any other form of sport-related equipment is prohibited. No missed class time is permitted for these sessions and the institution shall conclude all athletically related activities by the first date of final examinations for the regular academic year. (Adopted: 1/10/05, Revised: 1/9/06, 1/11/08)


Take out the football and you're severely limiting what can be accomplished in "spring practice." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on March 21, 2009, 07:20:17 PM
That is one of the things that I really like about the board. It's not just entertaining. When there is a clear and correct answer to a question that arises, someone usually comes up with it!

Note: Back from spring break on Monday, I think the Roo's spring drills begin next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 22, 2009, 11:31:50 PM
Howdy Gents.  I find myself working in SA this  week and lo and behold, the TU Tigers start spring ball tomorrow.  Thank goodness!  Bout darn time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 23, 2009, 11:50:33 AM
QuoteHowdy Gents.  I find myself working in SA this  week and lo and behold, the TU Tigers start spring ball tomorrow.  Thank goodness!  Bout darn time.

Nice to hear...look forward to your scouting report.  ;)

I believe the DPU Tigers begin spring practice in a week or so.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 23, 2009, 12:25:37 PM
More smoke to the depauw/leaving the scac story:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/03/03/Opinion/Letter.To.The.Editor-3657186.shtml

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/24/Opinion/Financial.Problems.Require.Fresh.Look.At.Scac.Affiliation-3646125.shtml


Side note, I thought it was downright comical some prof wrote a letter complaining about the carbon footprint of depauw belonging in the SCAC...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 23, 2009, 12:41:19 PM
QuoteMore smoke to the depauw/leaving the scac story:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/03/03/Opinion/Letter.To.The.Editor-3657186.shtml

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/24/Opinion/Financial.Problems.Require.Fresh.Look.At.Scac.Affiliation-3646125.shtml


Side note, I thought it was downright comical some prof wrote a letter complaining about the carbon footprint of depauw belonging in the SCAC...

Thanks for the info...should note that this was an "opinion" piece, written by students (I assume).  I want DPU to remain in the SCAC, but I see nothing wrong with examining some of the issues. If there is a legitimate and balanced review of the facts, the pros and cons, I think the Tigers will remain in the conference. 

As for the prof who complained about the carbon footprint..wow. Comical is one word to describe it. I can think of a few others.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 23, 2009, 02:40:52 PM
Do you have a link to that letter to the editor about the carbon footprint?  I looked and looked and couldn't find it in the archives. 

I generally disagree with that opinion piece by the editorial staff.  They're basing the argument on the University letting faculty go due to the economy.  The University always fires faculty.  They always don't renew faculty.  Even when the economy is good.  They always call it a cost-cutting measure, too.  Now if that's the thing that makes you angry, then fine.  But, if you want to use the "firing faculty is bad" argument, then don't use the economy as a crutch, because that's not the problem.  Yeah, DePauw's letting faculty go, but they always let faculty go.  They were making cost cutting firings in the faculty when the economy was good.  That being said, if DePauw wants to blame the economy on such a conference switch, I think that's entirely different from a PR standpoint.  They'd go a long way in saving face compared to their last conference switch.

I'm a firm believer that the reason tuition went up last year by the highest percentage in recent memory is directly due to the travel budget.  It has gone up a LOT in the last 3 or 4 years.  I'd wager way more than the national average.  I'd be more upset about that than anything else.  But, those young pups aren't even paying attention to the bill that Mom & Dad cuts the check for, so it isn't a big deal to them.  That's the real problem with being in this conference, imo.  That and all the missed class time.  Which, Prof. Klinger makes a good point about, because in other conferences, DePauw would be playing mid-week.  Something they don't currently do unless they're out of the conference, which are teams that are typically close by.  That Wednesday night basketball trip to Allegheny wouldn't be a lot of fun, for instance.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 23, 2009, 02:57:48 PM
Oh, i guess the carbon footprint comment by the prof really wasn't that bad of a thing to state...its just kinda of funny to me how some profs/deans live in PCU fantasy land, might have to rent that movie...:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/27/Opinion/Letters.To.The.Editor-3653198-page2.shtml

My take again is depauw is probably putting out the signals to either the Midwest conference or the NCAC and if they bite, depauw will jump at an offer...guess 11 teams works for the big 10, ditto the nescac.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 23, 2009, 03:54:54 PM
Thanks! +1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2009, 04:36:30 PM
Quote from: cush on March 23, 2009, 02:57:48 PM
Oh, i guess the carbon footprint comment by the prof really wasn't that bad of a thing to state...its just kinda of funny to me how some profs/deans live in PCU fantasy land, might have to rent that movie...:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/27/Opinion/Letters.To.The.Editor-3653198-page2.shtml

My take again is depauw is probably putting out the signals to either the Midwest conference or the NCAC and if they bite, depauw will jump at an offer...guess 11 teams works for the big 10, ditto the nescac.
If DePauw left, would UDallas really be that objectionable as a replacement?    :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 23, 2009, 04:43:11 PM
Quote from: cush on March 23, 2009, 02:57:48 PM
Oh, i guess the carbon footprint comment by the prof really wasn't that bad of a thing to state...its just kinda of funny to me how some profs/deans live in PCU fantasy land, might have to rent that movie...:

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/02/27/Opinion/Letters.To.The.Editor-3653198-page2.shtml

My take again is depauw is probably putting out the signals to either the Midwest conference or the NCAC and if they bite, depauw will jump at an offer...guess 11 teams works for the big 10, ditto the nescac.

I live in College Station, TX so many of my neighbors are PCU fantasy land trolls.  That's the wacky side of living in a university town. 

The SCAC is crazy large geographically.  Speaking as one of those parents Wes talks about cutting the checks, I feel that pain.  Speaking as a parent/fan that follows the team out of town, there's some personal pain there as well (expense!).  But the fun of traveling across the country following the TU Tigers makes up for it.  God has blessed my family and me.  I can only imagine how much it would stink to have to rely on the webcam to get my out of town game fix.

After my recent brush with death, I'm enjoying each and every of my son's college events.  Taking my time each day.  Damn glad to be here fellas. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 23, 2009, 06:24:43 PM
Quote from: cush on March 23, 2009, 02:57:48 PM
My take again is depauw is probably putting out the signals to either the Midwest conference or the NCAC and if they bite, depauw will jump at an offer...guess 11 teams works for the big 10, ditto the nescac.

I agree on the NCAC and I tell you why - they already rotate football schedules so they can keep 3 non-conf games.  I feel like that's the biggest hurdle when you're talking about adding a 11th football school.  Wabash didn't play OWU and Hiram this year, for instance.  They had Chicago, Wash U & DPU on the schedule.  The NCAC already has the tiebreaks set for teams not playing each other.  What's the big deal if you knock that down to 2 non-conf instead and put DePauw on the schedule?

I don't think DePauw wants to be a part of the Midwest Conference.  Yeah, you don't fly, but those are still some LONG bus rides.  You've got one team at 3.5 hours.  The majority of the rest are in Wisconsin.  Plus, I don't know if that's exactly the academic profile they're looking for.  On the other hand, the NCAC has two teams already in Indiana, and the Ohio teams are all between 4-6 hours.  The longest bus ride in that conference is the 7 to Gheny (essentially a trip to Rhodes) which is an average length trip for DePauw in the SCAC.  However, there's no Blues City Cafe in Meadville, PA.

I've got a hunch that if such a venture to move conferences even exists, it's probably the NCAC or nothing at all.  If DePauw can't get in the NCAC, I reckon they'll just stay until they feel like trying again.  I personally don't care either way what DePauw does, but I can understand why they feel the need to try.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 23, 2009, 09:28:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2009, 04:36:30 PM
If DePauw left, would UDallas really be that objectionable as a replacement?    :-\

The SCAC will have to do some creative reworking of its travel partner concept if DPU leaves.  UD and AC would pair, but then you have Colorado totally out by itself, even more than it is today. 

I don't know if non-football UD offers the SCAC what it wants, but then again with Hendrix starting up FB in a couple of years that wouldn't be as much of a consideration. 

DPU would be missed, no doubt about it.  They've been great for the conference, but if they went to the NCAC the Bell game could have even more meaning. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2009, 09:58:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 23, 2009, 09:28:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 23, 2009, 04:36:30 PM
If DePauw left, would UDallas really be that objectionable as a replacement?    :-\

The SCAC will have to do some creative reworking of its travel partner concept if DPU leaves.  UD and AC would pair, but then you have Colorado totally out by itself, even more than it is today. 

I don't know if non-football UD offers the SCAC what it wants, but then again with Hendrix starting up FB in a couple of years that wouldn't be as much of a consideration. 

DPU would be missed, no doubt about it.  They've been great for the conference, but if they went to the NCAC the Bell game could have even more meaning. 

It is an easy connection from DFW to COS (Colorado Springs) or DEN.

I find no other direct flights from "SCAC" cities to COS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 24, 2009, 10:10:24 AM
You might have better luck flying into Denver and then taking a bus to Colo Springs, but regardless with UD in the fray you end up with travel partners like

UD-AC
TU-SW
CC (via DEN + 90 minute bus ride) - Hendrix (via LIT + 45 min bus ride) ??

LIT does have non-stop service to DEN.   One stop flights from LIT to the Springs are considerably more expensive (today). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 24, 2009, 10:51:49 AM
I think if Depauw did leave the scac, the scac would have 3 possible replacements for them in Centenary, Berry, and Dallas for spot #12...don't know if centenary wants to make that move but an offer from the scac might push them, dallas and berry probably would duel off for an offer though...the other option might be to offer all 3 and jump to 14 teams. In the end, it probably depends on what millsaps wants, ie to be either in the east or west of the scac on who would get a replacement offer + i'm not sure what the issues were with the 3 scac presidents...losing depauw would hurt but the scac still would be a great collection of athletic/academic school's in D3 with any of those 3 joining the league if depauw left.

As for Depauw, they  still might  not leave after their review and or lack of another conference offer. I do like the concept of the UAA , that is even though the travel can be pain, it gives valuable exposure and benefits for the school's + students.  Yet, if the NCAC decides to offer depauw, than that is the best fit...maybe depauw should try to team up with Rose-Hulman and get them to expand to 12...in that case, i think they could get the playoff championship football game ala the SEC/big 12 since they would have 12 football school's...the 12 team concept might also work with Rose for the Midwest Conf but as noted, depauw probably would only leave the scac for the ncac...yet i don't think the academic profile of the midwest is that bad, grinnell is a great school but those are some long bus rides, so why bother with the switch in that case.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 24, 2009, 02:23:05 PM
Quote from: cush on March 24, 2009, 10:51:49 AM
Yet, if the NCAC decides to offer depauw, than that is the best fit...maybe depauw should try to team up with Rose-Hulman and get them to expand to 12...in that case, i think they could get the playoff championship football game ala the SEC/big 12 since they would have 12 football school's...

I don't think the championship format is going to work for either DePauw or Wabash.  That's one of the gripes DPU has about going to divisions in football in the SCAC.  Here's why, and I quote:

Quote
It rode like a masthead on engine ninety-nine
Crawfordsville to Greencastle, then further down the line
The Cavemen came from Wabash, the Tigers from DePauw
Since eighteen-ninety they have played the last game ev'ry fall

Monon is not moving so that Week 10 can be the conference championship game.  There's just no way anyone is going to let that happen.  The argument could be made that, in its current state, that game is probably the de facto NCAC championship game in the average football season, but who's to say where we are in 5 years? 

There are already tiebreakers in place for a scenario like that in the NCAC.  If 3 teams tie with 1 loss, they can already figure that out, even if they haven't all played each other.  Couple of years ago Kenyon almost won the Pool A at 6-1 in the conference because they didn't play Witt or Wabash.  Wabash ran the table that year, but had they not, it would have been interesting.  Anyways, my point is that it's already set up that way since they play 3 non-confs. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 24, 2009, 02:50:56 PM
HA! that is like the JV version of UM/Ohio State fans being against big 10 expansion...granted the big 10 is probably  just trying to smoke ND out of being an indy but at some point in time, maybe Missouri or Rutgers will get an offer from the big 10 and presto, you got a wild championship week-end in indy or chicago for the big 10 football title. I think you could push back the Monon bell game 1 week earlier and it still would have a great atmosphere + you would get the possibility of hosting the ncac title game a week later...the problem might be from the 2 ohio school's, witt + ?, who would be paired with the 4 Indiana school's in ncac east/west divisions...the 2 ohio school's might prefer to stick with the 5 other ncac ohio school's, thus KO any expansion to 12 with depauw + RH. Bringing this discussion back to the scac, i think if the scac could somehow get to 12 football playing school's, the concept of having a title game hosted on campus would make for a nice ending to the season but given the travel, probably not likely to happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 24, 2009, 03:15:26 PM
QuoteI don't think the championship format is going to work for either DePauw or Wabash.  That's one of the gripes DPU has about going to divisions in football in the SCAC.  Here's why, and I quote:


Quote
It rode like a masthead on engine ninety-nine
Crawfordsville to Greencastle, then further down the line
The Cavemen came from Wabash, the Tigers from DePauw
Since eighteen-ninety they have played the last game ev'ry fall

Classic, Wes...well done.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 24, 2009, 03:47:12 PM
I understand how much sense it makes to have a championship game, it just ain't gonna happen for these two schools.  That isn't from just my point of view, either. 

While I am vehemently against such a move personally, I'm certain that officals from both schools would never let that game be moved.  They just won't.  It's not a feasible option.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Trevbmx on March 24, 2009, 07:59:10 PM
There are some good hotels a few miles west of St. Mary's at Ingram Park Mall area Red Roof, Marriot Resedence Inn, Holiday Inn Express.  Is a little ways to Airport about 20 to 25 mins with traffic.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 24, 2009, 10:06:40 PM
WOW! Colorado College drops FB?!?!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 24, 2009, 10:17:31 PM
This is incredibly late to try to get the entire conference to fill an open date. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 24, 2009, 10:20:18 PM
QuoteThis is incredibly late to try to get the entire conference to fill an open date. 

exactly...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on March 24, 2009, 10:41:49 PM
Unfortunately, another storied college football program "bites the dust" with Colorado College dropping the sport.  That is sad news, although perhaps understandable.  I wondered how long it would be before this move was made as CC was, as you all are aware, basically out there by themselves.  In light of the bad economic times, the travel flight costs alone were probably what did it in as their administrators indicated.  Still, and again, it is sad to see; if you go back through the history books, CC has a great history, yet the writing seemed to be on the wall even 3-4 decades ago when they pulled down the old stadium, and basically just "changed the atmosphere" as far as football goes, IMO.

As some of you have indicated, I wonder now how long DePauw will stay in the conference re: due to the travel costs.  It's been debated/discussed very well many times by many of you, but it seems for a simple logical standpoint, that DePauw would be better off financially by going back to a conference in their region, similar to the move that Rose-Hulman made (and Wabash has maintained over the years).  Historically, it seems a good fit; from their academic opinion/standpoint, that is another issue as many of you have mentioned.  With the economic times, nothing seems to surprise us anymore. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 24, 2009, 11:59:50 PM
The open letter to the CoCo community is here (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/news_events/athleticsletter.asp).

One of the factors listed was 'competitive success'; while money was the primary factor, had the football program been more competitive the decision could have been more difficult to make.

And I still want to know how Division I hockey is "compatible with the aspirations of an elite liberal arts college."  Seems that if you want to save money and focus on being 'an elite liberal arts college' you start there.  Not only do you not spend the travel money, staff, etc.  but you get back all the money you're throwing away on scholarships. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2009, 03:26:38 AM
If travel is a major concern, then Colorado College should move to D-II!

The student athletes would spend more time in class and they could save football.

Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference (http://www.rmacsports.org/landing/index)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 07:24:46 AM
...also noticed Title IX was mentioned among factors in the decision. 

It was also critical to follow all applicable federal regulations.  This change actually will bring CC more closely into compliance with Title IX Gender Equity legislation, an important aspect of any decision involving athletic programs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on March 25, 2009, 09:21:04 AM
Does Hendrix still have a football timeline?

Any likely candidates to join SCAC, Huntington?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2009, 10:11:04 AM
Here is the "value" question about Colorado College and the SCAC...

Colorado College brought value in their football program.  They helped fill the 10-game schedule for "like-minded" institutions.  Furthermore, they allowed the SCAC to have a geographically proportioned two-division 6-team lineup in several team sports (except D-1 women's soccer).

Now that softball and football are gone, is it really worth destroying the travel budgets of the other 11 members in the remaining team sports? 

Current Colorado College offerings...

QuoteMen's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Men's Cross Country, Women's Cross Country, Football, Men's Lacrosse, Women's Lacrosse, Men's Soccer, Softball, Men's Swimming & Diving, Women's Swimming & Diving, Men's Tennis, Women's Tennis, Men's Track & Field, Women's Track & Field, Volleyball

What is unique to Colorado College that provides value in achieving the conference's overall goals?

Men's and women's lacrosse?

These are questions that are rocking the identity and composition of the SCAC.  How does another school's administration and board justify trips to Colorado College for this school's contribution to the conference?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 25, 2009, 12:01:55 PM
Wow!...that is a shocker...CC has a long history of having a football team + they have a large endowment, almost 500M i think. Yet, i don't fault them for keeping the hockey program, they have a nice niche and clearly that is the sport for the school to put their $'s into...i do fault them for making such a move with little warning (i think)for other scac members in putting together a schedule for next year.  The other thing to consider is maybe they are dropping football do to gripes from other scac members about the travel and by making such a move, they will be able to stay in the league, who knows. I think CC has value being tied into the the texas scac school's, harder to make the case for the eastern scac school's though...which is why the concept of going to 14 teams might be of value. As for its impact on scac football, with hendrix starting a team, losing cc really has no impact...think the key is having 9 teams for a balanced schedule. However, if depauw leaves the scac, than whoever replaces them might need to start a football program, ie berry college would seem to be the most likely from the 3 school's i viewed as possible replacements.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 12:30:18 PM
QuoteHere is the "value" question about Colorado College and the SCAC...

Colorado College brought value in their football program.  They helped fill the 10-game schedule for "like-minded" institutions.  Furthermore, they allowed the SCAC to have a geographically proportioned two-division 6-team lineup in several team sports (except D-1 women's soccer).

Now that softball and football are gone, is it really worth destroying the travel budgets of the other 11 members in the remaining team sports? 

Current Colorado College offerings...


Quote
Men's Basketball, Women's Basketball, Men's Cross Country, Women's Cross Country, Football, Men's Lacrosse, Women's Lacrosse, Men's Soccer, Softball, Men's Swimming & Diving, Women's Swimming & Diving, Men's Tennis, Women's Tennis, Men's Track & Field, Women's Track & Field, Volleyball

What is unique to Colorado College that provides value in achieving the conference's overall goals?

Men's and women's lacrosse?

These are questions that are rocking the identity and composition of the SCAC.  How does another school's administration and board justify trips to Colorado College for this school's contribution to the conference?

Bravo, Ralph. I had not thought of it in that way...but I think you are exactly right. I also wonder the extent to which CC administrators were in touch with the conference in advance of this announcement...suddenly dropping football in the spring would seem to put the conference and its remaining member institutions in a very tough spot regarding scheduling.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2009, 12:51:09 PM
Which CC administrators, if any. I wonder if the fact that the SCAC hasn't had a news release of its own on the matter means they didn't have any advance warning of it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on March 25, 2009, 01:58:25 PM
SCAC Statement on Colorado College dropping football and softball

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/news/statement_colorado_drops_sports (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/news/statement_colorado_drops_sports)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 25, 2009, 02:35:28 PM
Thanks -- I think that's the first time I've heard a specific date for Hendrix football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 04:05:22 PM
QuoteSCAC Statement on Colorado College dropping football and softball

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/news/statement_colorado_drops_sports

What options are available to member schools in terms of scheduling? Are they simply on their own to find a random game?
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 25, 2009, 04:29:18 PM
Maybe the scac can have everybody play one team twice, h/a,  works in the NFL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 25, 2009, 05:27:10 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 04:05:22 PM

What options are available to member schools in terms of scheduling? Are they simply on their own to find a random game?
 

Pretty much.  Some (most?) schools will probably have to go with nine games since there aren't too many teams still looking for a game this late.    According to the open dates board (http://www.d3football.com/opendates/2009), Trinity's choices boil down to St John Fisher and Kalamzoo, and since CC was a home game this season (one of only four) it's unlikely they'll be able to talk either of those schools into a trip to TX.   SJF and 'zoo both want 2-year, home-and-homes, Fisher also wants an '09 home game.     Another possibility might be an Oct 10 game against either Wesley (ouch) or Frostburg State. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on March 25, 2009, 07:01:47 PM
 Wesley has been trying desperately to fill it's schedule, but I am not sure what date is open at this point. I do know they were trying to shift some things around to open a date with a top 5 team but I understand that they fell through when the team scheduled on that date wasn't receptive to a midseason meeting with Wesley which is understandable.. I wouldn't be suprised if Wesley wouldn't even go as far as to drop one of their non D III opponents to schedule more than  one D III.( complete speculatiion on my part) team. One reason they wouldn't do that would be because those non DIII schools help Wesley fill out the schedule year after year. That excludes Apprentise because they are a ACFC member.
Frostburg St on the other hand has been happy playing nine games schedules of late.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 08:28:18 PM
any additional reax from the scac? would the league work with schools to move games to accomodate things, or do schools simply have to work with their scheduled date vs. cc, as well as their open date? the more i think about this, and the timing of it, the more it pisses me off...did colorado college administrators all of a sudden wake up in the spring and determine it was time to cut football? imho there is a stinch coming from colorado springs....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 25, 2009, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 04:05:22 PM
What options are available to member schools in terms of scheduling? Are they simply on their own to find a random game?

DePauw is in luck because their original bye week was Week 1.  There's about 5 or 6 teams that are open Week 1:

Delaware Valley
East Texas Baptist
Gallaudet
Salisbury
UW-Eau Claire
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater

Think Galludet would be the one to get there, particularly if you're looking for a winnable game.  Alfred's the only team open on the original CC date, but if DPU moves it to Week 1, they're open the week before Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2009, 09:00:37 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on March 25, 2009, 08:58:56 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 04:05:22 PM
What options are available to member schools in terms of scheduling? Are they simply on their own to find a random game?

DePauw is in luck because their original bye week was Week 1.  There's about 5 or 6 teams that are open Week 1:

Delaware Valley
East Texas Baptist        In-region
Gallaudet                     In-region
Salisbury                     In-region
UW-Eau Claire
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater

Think Galludet would be the one to get there, particularly if you're looking for a winnable game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 09:14:56 PM
QuoteDePauw is in luck because their original bye week was Week 1.  There's about 5 or 6 teams that are open Week 1:

Delaware Valley
East Texas Baptist
Gallaudet
Salisbury
UW-Eau Claire
UW-Stevens Point
UW-Whitewater

Think Galludet would be the one to get there, particularly if you're looking for a winnable game.  Alfred's the only team open on the original CC date, but if DPU moves it to Week 1, they're open the week before Trinity.

Interesting, Wes...especially intrigued by a potential open date before Trinity. What is the significance of in-region vs. out of region games?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2009, 09:16:48 PM
The Championship Committee determines the at-large bids on the basis of in-region records.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 09:28:40 PM
QuoteThe Championship Committee determines the at-large bids on the basis of in-region records.

so obviously it's beneficial to schedule an in region game...thanks, ralph...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 25, 2009, 09:33:46 PM
Very beneficial.  And probably beneficial to schedule a winnable one, because DePauw plays a tough schedule anyway.  That happened the last time DePauw had a late open date.  They ended up scheduling Wesley to come to Blackstock and got buried in a deep, deep hole in Tim Rogers' first game as head coach.  Later that year they had to beat Wabash to get the Pool C, and couldn't do it.  If they could have gotten a more winnable game Week 1, then they probably got in that year.  Also was the hurricane year, fwiw.

I'm going on a limb to say that they aren't seriously looking at Whitewater.  They don't want a loss, and they do want the regional game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2009, 09:41:57 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 09:28:40 PM
QuoteThe Championship Committee determines the at-large bids on the basis of in-region records.

so obviously it's beneficial to schedule an in region game...thanks, ralph...
My opinion...

If Trinity schedules and beats Wesley and runs the SCAC, then there is a very good chance that Trinity has the seed to host thru the quarterfinals.

TU usually has a better OWP/OOWP than the ASC teams.  If TU has a win over an in-region ranked Wesley and an in-region ranked Millsaps or DePauw, and an in-region record of 10-0, (remember that BSC games count as in-region in 2009-10), then I think that they will be regionally ranked over the ASC leader.

I recommend that TU schedule Wesley versus the WIAC schools.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 09:52:13 PM

So it would seem to be a race of sorts to nail down a beneficial game (with few of them available)...also, what are the implications of only having 9 games? I am NOT in favor of this...just curious as to any negative (or positive) consequences...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 25, 2009, 10:12:46 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 09:52:13 PM

So it would seem to be a race of sorts to nail down a beneficial game (with few of them available)...also, what are the implications of only having 9 games? I am NOT in favor of this...just curious as to any negative (or positive) consequences...


If you're 8-1 vs 9-1 then 9-1 teams have a statistical advantage (e.g. .900 vs .889, anything that factors your winning percentage puts you at a slight disadvantage).   It's the same reasoning you want as many games as possible to be in-region.  Not a killer but it doesn't work in your favor if things are close.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 25, 2009, 10:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2009, 09:41:57 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 09:28:40 PM
QuoteThe Championship Committee determines the at-large bids on the basis of in-region records.

so obviously it's beneficial to schedule an in region game...thanks, ralph...
My opinion...

If Trinity schedules and beats Wesley and runs the SCAC, then there is a very good chance that Trinity has the seed to host thru the quarterfinals.

TU usually has a better OWP/OOWP than the ASC teams.  If TU has a win over an in-region ranked Wesley and an in-region ranked Millsaps or DePauw, and an in-region record of 10-0, (remember that BSC games count as in-region in 2009-10), then I think that they will be regionally ranked over the ASC leader.

I recommend that TU schedule Wesley versus the WIAC schools.

Isn't Wisconsin in-region for TX because of the administrative areas?   Not that I saw any of them open on the days Trinity has available now.

Yeah, I'm sure you want Trinity to schedule Wesley, Ralph ... LOL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 10:17:15 PM
QuoteIf you're 8-1 vs 9-1 then 9-1 teams have a statistical advantage (e.g. .900 vs .889, anything that factors your winning percentage puts you at a slight disadvantage).   It's the same reasoning you want as many games as possible to be in-region.  Not a killer but it doesn't work in your favor if things are close.

Good to know...I'm sure the folks in Greencastle have been busy today (and tonight)...am sure they'll get a game nailed down...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on March 25, 2009, 10:18:36 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 25, 2009, 09:52:13 PM

So it would seem to be a race of sorts to nail down a beneficial game (with few of them available)...also, what are the implications of only having 9 games? I am NOT in favor of this...just curious as to any negative (or positive) consequences...


There are a few teams that would rather play nine games up this way rather than play Wesley. But each time I mention them certain fans get really upset!!! ;D
I think Coach Drass would play as many SCAC teams as he could to fill out a schedule if he could get more than a one year commitment . I just don't know how many flights Wesley can take in one year. I would think they may bus to LaGrange if they have a game in Fla too.    
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2009, 10:19:44 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 25, 2009, 10:14:34 PM

Isn't Wisconsin in-region for TX because of the administrative areas? 

Yeah, I'm sure you want Trinity to schedule Wesley, Ralph ... LOL

Yes, admin region #4 for Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 25, 2009, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 25, 2009, 10:18:36 PM
I think Coach Drass would play as many SCAC teams as he could to fill out a schedule if he could get more than a one year commitment . I just don't know how many flights Wesley can take in one year. I would think they may bus to LaGrange if they have a game in Fla too.    

I believe a lot of those powerhouse schools with open dates end up paying out a pretty nice sum to the teams that scheduled them.  That was the rumor when the Wolverines came to Greencastle.  They paid a fairly nice sum to DPU for scheduling them and then came to our place to boot.  They'd probably come back again, but I just don't know if the coaching staff is looking for that kind of game either A) right out of the gate or B) before the biggest game of the season.

I imagine those powerhouse schools almost have to do that to schedule non-confs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on March 25, 2009, 10:37:16 PM
Wesley's open dates are the weekends of September 19 and October 10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on March 25, 2009, 10:39:42 PM
Wes

If that's the case , I guess that the schools closer to Wesley don't need the money??  ;)

I really don't have any info that wesley did or didn't pay to play. I know it happens in DI all the time but I wasn't aware that it happened in DIII
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 25, 2009, 10:46:44 PM
Another consideration for CC football players is what to do if you want to continue playing.  If you are a rising senior, then you'll probably be forced to return to CC for the sake of academic continuity.  If you have 2-3 years of eligibility, however, you may want to transfer ... especially if you're really passionate about football.  At this late date, though, that may be easier to say than to do.  It's difficult for me to comprehend why CC officials couldn't (and didn't) make a more timely decision.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 25, 2009, 10:48:11 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on March 25, 2009, 10:33:08 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 25, 2009, 10:18:36 PM
I think Coach Drass would play as many SCAC teams as he could to fill out a schedule if he could get more than a one year commitment . I just don't know how many flights Wesley can take in one year. I would think they may bus to LaGrange if they have a game in Fla too.    

I believe a lot of those powerhouse schools with open dates end up paying out a pretty nice sum to the teams that scheduled them.  That was the rumor when the Wolverines came to Greencastle.  They paid a fairly nice sum to DPU for scheduling them and then came to our place to boot.  They'd probably come back again, but I just don't know if the coaching staff is looking for that kind of game either A) right out of the gate or B) before the biggest game of the season.

I imagine those powerhouse schools almost have to do that to schedule non-confs.
I think that explains why the NJAC moved to a 10-team conference.

Rowan and others were having trouble with getting 10-game schedules.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 25, 2009, 10:59:31 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 25, 2009, 10:46:44 PM
Another consideration for CC football players is what to do if you want to continue playing.  If you are a rising senior, then you'll probably be forced to return to CC for the sake of academic continuity.  If you have 2-3 years of eligibility, however, you may want to transfer ... especially if you're really passionate about football.  At this late date, though, that may be easier to say than to do.  It's difficult for me to comprehend why CC officials couldn't (and didn't) make a more timely decision.

Interesting point.  Looking at their web site, this '2009 offseason roster' shows
8 seniors
11 juniors
14 sophomores
1 freshman

Maybe this was a decision made to cut a team that simply is no longer viable.  The economic angle gives CC a cover story but with only 34 guys on the roster pending what recruits they could have scraped up this summer ... had no idea the situation was that grim in the Springs.

I feel for Coach Bodor.  When I talked with him he seemed to be a man who wanted nothing but the best for his players.  He deserved better than to have the program unceremoneously yanked out from under him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 26, 2009, 02:22:00 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 25, 2009, 10:39:42 PM
If that's the case , I guess that the schools closer to Wesley don't need the money??  ;)

I really don't have any info that wesley did or didn't pay to play. I know it happens in DI all the time but I wasn't aware that it happened in DIII

Hey, you aren't ruining my Pool C chances for free.  No, siree.  Ain't gonna happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 26, 2009, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 25, 2009, 10:59:31 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 25, 2009, 10:46:44 PM
Another consideration for CC football players is what to do if you want to continue playing.  If you are a rising senior, then you'll probably be forced to return to CC for the sake of academic continuity.  If you have 2-3 years of eligibility, however, you may want to transfer ... especially if you're really passionate about football.  At this late date, though, that may be easier to say than to do.  It's difficult for me to comprehend why CC officials couldn't (and didn't) make a more timely decision.

Interesting point.  Looking at their web site, this '2009 offseason roster' shows
8 seniors
11 juniors
14 sophomores
1 freshman

Maybe this was a decision made to cut a team that simply is no longer viable.  The economic angle gives CC a cover story but with only 34 guys on the roster pending what recruits they could have scraped up this summer ... had no idea the situation was that grim in the Springs.

I feel for Coach Bodor.  When I talked with him he seemed to be a man who wanted nothing but the best for his players.  He deserved better than to have the program unceremoneously yanked out from under him.
Yeah, 34 guys is very thin ... and one freshman is quite telling.  Reminds me of how low the Lewis and Clark roster was a few years ago.  If it's a viable program, you'd think they'd have at least 60 with 20 incoming freshmen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 26, 2009, 08:52:22 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 25, 2009, 10:39:42 PM
Wes

If that's the case , I guess that the schools closer to Wesley don't need the money??  ;)

I really don't have any info that wesley did or didn't pay to play. I know it happens in DI all the time but I wasn't aware that it happened in DIII

It happens in D3, too.  If you look on the open dates board you'll see schools (like UW-W and Trinity) offering 'guarantees' to play them this season, UW-O offering "some travel money," Wesley offering a stipend or hotel rooms. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Looking at the open board and schedules, maybe depauw, bsc, UW-Oshkosh, and Huntingdon could swap games...that would be huntingdon plays at bsc while depaw goes to UW-Oskosh next year...looks like huntingdon is currently scheduled to play at UW-Oskosh next season, so if the dates work, travel wise not a bad swap...from the Colorado College schedule, bsc was due a home game while depauw was going on the road to cc.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on March 26, 2009, 10:26:19 AM
Quote from: cush on March 26, 2009, 10:18:20 AM
Looking at the open board and schedules, maybe depauw, bsc, UW-Oshkosh, and Huntingdon could swap games...that would be huntingdon plays at bsc while depaw goes to UW-Oskosh next year...looks like huntingdon is currently scheduled to play at UW-Oskosh next season, so if the dates work, travel wise not a bad swap...from the Colorado College schedule, bsc was due a home game while depauw was going on the road to cc.
That idea might have some merit. It would give Huntingdon a region game and get rid a plane flight. Have no idea how willing all the participants may be though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jarmonsports on March 26, 2009, 10:46:11 AM
Quote from: hasanova on March 26, 2009, 08:22:42 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 25, 2009, 10:59:31 PM
Quote from: hasanova on March 25, 2009, 10:46:44 PM
Another consideration for CC football players is what to do if you want to continue playing.  If you are a rising senior, then you'll probably be forced to return to CC for the sake of academic continuity.  If you have 2-3 years of eligibility, however, you may want to transfer ... especially if you're really passionate about football.  At this late date, though, that may be easier to say than to do.  It's difficult for me to comprehend why CC officials couldn't (and didn't) make a more timely decision.

Interesting point.  Looking at their web site, this '2009 offseason roster' shows
8 seniors
11 juniors
14 sophomores
1 freshman

Maybe this was a decision made to cut a team that simply is no longer viable.  The economic angle gives CC a cover story but with only 34 guys on the roster pending what recruits they could have scraped up this summer ... had no idea the situation was that grim in the Springs.

I feel for Coach Bodor.  When I talked with him he seemed to be a man who wanted nothing but the best for his players.  He deserved better than to have the program unceremoneously yanked out from under him.
Yeah, 34 guys is very thin ... and one freshman is quite telling.  Reminds me of how low the Lewis and Clark roster was a few years ago.  If it's a viable program, you'd think they'd have at least 60 with 20 incoming freshmen.

I play(ed) football at CC, and that's an offseason roster, meaning Coach Bodor listed everyone in the class they'll be next year. He must have mistakenly left someone as a freshman. We were expecting to get another 20 kids this year, almost half of which were committed to go to CC early decision. None of us expected this, and even the coaches didn't know until that morning. I finally blogged about the day in its entirety if you guys want to check it out, maybe it will be enlightening: http://www.thed3experience.com/Blog/wordpress/2009/03/my-life-as-a-d3-player-the-end-of-colorado-college-football/

By the way, I'm one of those kids looking to transfer in a ridiculously small time window. It sucks.

-Chris Jarmon
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on March 26, 2009, 12:31:11 PM
Chris, Thank you for sharing your thoughts. I felt like I was sitting in the gym with you when the bad news was broken to you and your teammates. I know it is easier said, but I think you will be ok.Old doors close and new ones open in the game of life. The best of luck to you with your new college search. I am sure things will work out for you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on March 26, 2009, 01:21:44 PM
Best of luck to Chris and his teammates.  A terrible situation for everyone involved and I hope that other programs can avoid this situation in the future.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 26, 2009, 01:50:59 PM
Lewis and Clark was scheduled to play CC.  They probably haven't posted their open game yet.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on March 26, 2009, 03:08:15 PM
The popular sports blog "The Big Lead" just posted up a link on Chris' latest blog entry on the site's daily roundup.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=12676 (http://thebiglead.com/?p=12676)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on March 26, 2009, 03:22:00 PM
jarmonsports -

Well-written and poignant.  I hope you find a football family that matches your academic prowess.  +1

Want to be a Guilford College Quaker?  :)

Good luck!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on March 26, 2009, 03:38:38 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on March 26, 2009, 01:50:59 PM
Lewis and Clark was scheduled to play CC.  They probably haven't posted their open game yet.
I think the same applies to Whittier.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on March 26, 2009, 04:09:02 PM
Chris;

I also add my thanks for your post and your well-written blog.  If only all our memories could be happy ... however, as I look back on mine, it was the heartbreaks and challenges that did me the most good in life.  Everything happens for a reason, just not always the reasons we would choose if we could.

Hope you find another school and football program that appreciates you and helps you reach your goals ... I believe there's a SCAC school in San Antonio with a very good reputation ... and, you can still be a Tiger!

All the best to you and your teammates!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2009, 04:14:25 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on March 26, 2009, 04:09:02 PM
Chris;

I also add my thanks for your post and your well-written blog.  If only all our memories could be happy ... however, as I look back on mine, it was the heartbreaks and challenges that did me the most good in life.  Everything happens for a reason, just not always the reasons we would choose if we could.

Hope you find another school and football program that appreciates you and helps you reach your goals ... I believe there's a SCAC school in San Antonio with a very good reputation ... and, you can still be a Tiger!

All the best to you and your teammates!
I think that he doesn't want to waste the credits in Elementary Italian.  Any other courses of study that might be important to him?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 26, 2009, 04:37:14 PM
Quote from: wildcat11 on March 26, 2009, 03:08:15 PM
The popular sports blog "The Big Lead" just posted up a link on Chris' latest blog entry on the site's daily roundup.

http://thebiglead.com/?p=12676 (http://thebiglead.com/?p=12676)

Power of Twitter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on March 26, 2009, 04:37:34 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on March 26, 2009, 02:22:00 AM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on March 25, 2009, 10:39:42 PM
If that's the case , I guess that the schools closer to Wesley don't need the money??  ;)

I really don't have any info that wesley did or didn't pay to play. I know it happens in DI all the time but I wasn't aware that it happened in DIII

Hey, you aren't ruining my Pool C chances for free.  No, siree.  Ain't gonna happen.

 Well maybe we can take out one or two of you nearest competitors too Ron!!! ;D

I have better info now  that Wesley was turned down even with the incentives....I think Wesleys only lock down games are in Conference.. They approached the WIAC and got no taker for this year. As of now they have 5 non DIII games.. I noted earlier that Wesley had an opportunity to play a top 5 team but that didn't work out because the team that would have had to move the date was up to playing after the conference started.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 26, 2009, 05:41:20 PM
Chris,

Thank you for providing a CC perspective and for your very well-written blog.  I wish you all the best in finding a new college that will both continue your obviously fine education as well as provide the football outlet you richly deserve.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2009, 11:55:21 AM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/community/Boerne_QB_commits_to_Trinity.html

Boerne QB commits to Trinity

Boerne Champion standout quarterback Chuck Thornally has committed to play the same position at Trinity University in San Antonio.

Thornally considered several offers to play tight end at larger schools but rejected them in favor of Trinity's offer to remain under center. Other schools that did consider him at quarterback could not match Trinity's high academic standards.

[...]

"Trinity's getting a D-I player who got overlooked for reasons we'll never understand, and they have to be extremely happy," Champion head football coach Danny Threadgill said. "That's not just my opinion. That's coaches' throughout the area. They're getting a quality person and a quality player."

[...]

Thornally's commitment to Trinity carries one caveat. The Fair Oaks resident learned this week that he is one of three Champion players invited to play in the 31st annual San Antonio High School All-Star Football Game, set for May 9 at NEISD Comalander Stadium. Texas State recruit Josh Wray and center Kevin Peet are Boerne's other all-star representatives.

The game is heavily attended by D-I and D-II football scouts, and it is not unusual for them to make late offers.


Without going in to the D3/commit business, it sounds like Trinity is a safety pending a scholarship offer from a school Thornally is comfortable with.   The young man would have great size for a Division III QB (6'5", 220) if he does stick at TU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 27, 2009, 12:11:49 PM
QuoteThe young man would have great size for a Division III QB (6'5", 220) if he does stick at TU. 

That's great size for a QB at any level. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 27, 2009, 12:15:38 PM
QuoteBoerne QB commits to Trinity

Boerne Champion standout quarterback Chuck Thornally has committed to play the same position at Trinity University in San Antonio.

Thornally considered several offers to play tight end at larger schools but rejected them in favor of Trinity's offer to remain under center. Other schools that did consider him at quarterback could not match Trinity's high academic standards.

[...]

"Trinity's getting a D-I player who got overlooked for reasons we'll never understand, and they have to be extremely happy," Champion head football coach Danny Threadgill said. "That's not just my opinion. That's coaches' throughout the area. They're getting a quality person and a quality player."

[...]

Thornally's commitment to Trinity carries one caveat. The Fair Oaks resident learned this week that he is one of three Champion players invited to play in the 31st annual San Antonio High School All-Star Football Game, set for May 9 at NEISD Comalander Stadium. Texas State recruit Josh Wray and center Kevin Peet are Boerne's other all-star representatives.

The game is heavily attended by D-I and D-II football scouts, and it is not unusual for them to make late offers.

Without going in to the D3/commit business, it sounds like Trinity is a safety pending a scholarship offer from a school Thornally is comfortable with.   The young man would have great size for a Division III QB (6'5", 220) if he does stick at TU.
Quote

I find it interesting there would be press on him "committing" to Trinity if he would jump at a D-I offer in May...and the fact that his high school coach is talking up his obvious D-I potential...sounds to me like Trinity is getting used in this scenario... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2009, 01:09:03 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 27, 2009, 12:15:38 PM

I find it interesting there would be press on him "committing" to Trinity if he would jump at a D-I offer in May...and the fact that his high school coach is talking up his obvious D-I potential...sounds to me like Trinity is getting used in this scenario... ;)

I just noticed the article is by a "contributing writer" in one of the weekly SA regional mini-papers - not one of the normal sports writers.   You could be right. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 27, 2009, 02:49:28 PM
interesting...good catch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 28, 2009, 01:38:16 PM
DePauw starts Spring Practice Monday. Anyone else starting soon or already started? Any reports, updates on recruiting?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 30, 2009, 05:34:24 PM
Wes, or anyone else---
Any updates on DePauw's 10th game? Possibilities?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 30, 2009, 09:47:14 PM
Not yet.  Talked to a couple of coaches right after the Colorado announcement, but they're weren't sure then.

I would expect that this could probably drag out to the next couple of weeks or even more.  There's lots of details and things to get hammered out in a deal like this.  Lot of haggling between the two schools about the technicalities, so I wouldn't be holding my breath.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 31, 2009, 03:11:59 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 27, 2009, 12:11:49 PM
QuoteThe young man would have great size for a Division III QB (6'5", 220) if he does stick at TU. 

That's great size for a QB at any level. :)

And he'd have a darn good O-Line to play with from what I saw last week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 31, 2009, 01:12:26 PM
Tex...posting at 3 a.m.....what are you doing, going over the two deeps, breaking down a little film?  ;) What's the report from SA?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on April 01, 2009, 02:32:05 PM
A couple of articles out of Millsaps for your reading pleasure.  Coach Dubose has replaced the vacant coaching slots pretty quickly and it appears the Saints will be staying in the New Orleans area for training camp this year.

Millsaps is in Spring ball right now, but sorry, don't have any news for y'all.  Maybe Frank has some since he is in the area...

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/3/30/FB_0330094303.aspx

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/3/30/FB_0330092404.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 01, 2009, 08:26:37 PM
Lewis & Clark announcement on losing two games.

http://www.lcpioneers.com/sports/fball/2009-10/news/principia-colorado_college
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 01, 2009, 09:02:44 PM
QuoteLewis & Clark announcement on losing two games.

Ouch!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on April 01, 2009, 11:49:15 PM
Huntingdon and LaGrange colleges may have to replace four games each now that the SLIAC has decided to drop football THIS year. They are waiting to see which teams are still going to honor their commitment to play this season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on April 01, 2009, 11:59:59 PM
Quote from: jarmonsports on March 26, 2009, 10:46:11 AM

I play(ed) football at CC, and that's an offseason roster, meaning Coach Bodor listed everyone in the class they'll be next year. He must have mistakenly left someone as a freshman. We were expecting to get another 20 kids this year, almost half of which were committed to go to CC early decision. None of us expected this, and even the coaches didn't know until that morning. I finally blogged about the day in its entirety if you guys want to check it out, maybe it will be enlightening: http://www.thed3experience.com/Blog/wordpress/2009/03/my-life-as-a-d3-player-the-end-of-colorado-college-football/

By the way, I'm one of those kids looking to transfer in a ridiculously small time window. It sucks.

-Chris Jarmon

Good luck Chris. I hope it all works out for you. Sounds like you've got a handle on everything and have a good support network in place.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 02, 2009, 12:08:35 AM
Quote from: The Forgotten Man on April 01, 2009, 11:49:15 PM
Huntingdon and LaGrange colleges may have to replace four games each now that the SLIAC has decided to drop football THIS year. They are waiting to see which teams are still going to honor their commitment to play this season.

I think that may be very good news for lot of the SCAC teams looking for games. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 02, 2009, 05:22:41 AM
Posted here last year that Coach Walker became the fourth DPU coach to beat Wabash in 2 of the 3 major sports in the same school year.  Here's a refresher:

Quote from: Wes Anderson on April 24, 2008, 12:49:34 PM
...I believe he becomes the fouth coach to beat Wabash in two of the three major sports (3rd in football and baseball) in the same academic year since Raymond "Gaumey" Neal in 1930.  Three years before Raymond "Gaumey" Neal's football team became the last in any division to go undefeated, untied, and unscored upon, his football and baseball teams both beat Wabash.  His football team beat Wabash 7-6 (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1930.mov), and his baseball team split two games with the Cavemen, winning the first 10-3 and losing the season finale 17-0.

In 1942, Lloyd Messersmith did the same in football and basketball.  His football team won the 11th Monon Bell Classic 7-6. (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1942.mov)  His Men's Basketball team beat Wabash 32-31 in the season finale.

The last was Bob Hicks in 1958.   His football team beat Wabash 24-8. (http://www.depauw.edu/av/mononmems/1958.mov) His baseball team also was victorious, splitting the 2 game season series with a 5-2 victory and a 5-2 loss. 

This year, he becomes the only coach to do it twice!  Make it 18 in a row against LG baseball - 16-7 was the final on Wednesday.  Walk is 6 for his last 6 against Wabash in both sports combined going back to 2006's baseball season.  That'll play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 02, 2009, 09:25:59 AM
QuoteThis year, he becomes the only coach to do it twice!  Make it 18 in a row against LG baseball - 16-7 was the final on Wednesday.  Walk is 6 for his last 6 against Wabash in both sports combined going back to 2006's baseball season.  That'll play. 

That's some good knowledge, Wes. Here's to a three peat... ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 02, 2009, 09:27:57 AM
QuoteHuntingdon and LaGrange colleges may have to replace four games each now that the SLIAC has decided to drop football THIS year. They are waiting to see which teams are still going to honor their commitment to play this season.

That's amazing...and unfortunate for lots of players and coaches. >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 02, 2009, 10:25:34 AM


http://depauw.edu/news/?id=23280
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 02, 2009, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 02, 2009, 10:25:34 AM


http://depauw.edu/news/?id=23280


You guys sure don't like Wabash ...  ;)

Quote from: The Forgotten Man on April 01, 2009, 11:49:15 PM
Huntingdon and LaGrange colleges may have to replace four games each now that the SLIAC has decided to drop football THIS year. They are waiting to see which teams are still going to honor their commitment to play this season.

Link to this, please?  I saw nothing on the SLIAC, Huntingdon, or LaGrange athletic sites, and a google news search on "SLIAC football" returned only a story on Huntingdon's 2009 schedule.    

Or was this a very late April Fools joke, in which case you got me hook, line, & sinker?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 02, 2009, 12:35:01 PM
Nothing's on the record yet but the rumors are flying, to be sure.

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/04/02/whats-up-with-the-sliac/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 02, 2009, 01:50:55 PM
Pat----thanks for the excellent article on the situation...lots of schools (and players and coaches) impacted to be sure. Great to have this resource...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Forgotten Man on April 02, 2009, 03:01:20 PM
No joke and no "official source" except a very disappointed son who called last night. He pretty much has the right attitude: "Coach is going to take care of it."

Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 02, 2009, 10:33:57 AM
...
Quote from: The Forgotten Man on April 01, 2009, 11:49:15 PM
Huntingdon and LaGrange colleges may have to replace four games each now that the SLIAC has decided to drop football THIS year. They are waiting to see which teams are still going to honor their commitment to play this season.

Link to this, please?  I saw nothing on the SLIAC, Huntingdon, or LaGrange athletic sites, and a google news search on "SLIAC football" returned only a story on Huntingdon's 2009 schedule.    

Or was this a very late April Fools joke, in which case you got me hook, line, & sinker?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 02, 2009, 10:53:56 PM
Some of the supporters of Colorado College football have put together a website (http://www.saveccfootball.com/) devoted to restoring the program. 

Here's an interview with NFL Films' Steve Sabol (http://www.gazette.com/sports/sabol_50863___article.html/football_tigers.html), former CC fullback, Class of 1965.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2009, 10:22:48 AM
Colorado College President Celeste claims a $16-$20M endowment would be required (http://www.coloradocollege.edu/news_events/budget/3-31-09-budget-forum.pdf) to "support these programs [fb, women's water polo and softball] forever".  You wonder if he is totally ignoring the salutatory effect that 50+ male students who would otherwise attend other colleges have on the annual bottom line. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 11:15:31 AM
This is almost heretical, but the student-athlete experience is valid in many scenarios.  If the isolation of Colorado College relative to the rest of D-III, and the travel expense therein is really a problem for Colorado College, then has CC explored D-II?

The Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference (http://www.rmacsports.org/landing/index) offers everything that the CC needs, and all of the member universities are closer than the nearest SCAC opponent.

Half of the schools in the RMAC are on the Front Range, less than a 90-minute drive from the Springs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on April 03, 2009, 11:40:41 AM
This looks like a bit of good news. Huntingdon's site hasn't been updated yet but Birmingham-Southern(http://www.bscsports.net/schedule.aspx?path=football&) is now showing HC @ BSC on 11/7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2009, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 11:15:31 AM
This is almost heretical, but the student-athlete experience is valid in many scenarios.  If the isolation of Colorado College relative to the rest of D-III, and the travel expense therein is really a problem for Colorado College, then has CC explored D-II?

The Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference (http://www.rmacsports.org/landing/index) offers everything that the CC needs, and all of the member universities are closer than the nearest SCAC opponent.

I'd think the cost of 100-200 (?) athletic scholarships across all sports (plus increased cost of coaching staffs) for a school as small as CC would outweigh the travel savings realized by such a move.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 03, 2009, 11:57:32 AM
QuoteSome of the supporters of Colorado College football have put together a website devoted to restoring the program. 

Here's an interview with NFL Films' Steve Sabol, former CC fullback, Class of 1965.

This is outstanding, Ron...great find. I had no idea Sabol played football at CC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 12:26:56 PM
Here is the D-II simulation model (https://web1.ncaa.org/dashboard/exec/simulation?version=DII) that has been developed for D-II re-classification.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2009, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 11:15:31 AM
This is almost heretical, but the student-athlete experience is valid in many scenarios.  If the isolation of Colorado College relative to the rest of D-III, and the travel expense therein is really a problem for Colorado College, then has CC explored D-II?

The Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference (http://www.rmacsports.org/landing/index) offers everything that the CC needs, and all of the member universities are closer than the nearest SCAC opponent.

I'd think the cost of 100-200 (?) athletic scholarships across all sports (plus increased cost of coaching staffs) for a school as small as CC would outweigh the travel savings realized by such a move.
The school has already built the discount rate into the financial aid packages of the students who are competing for CC under the D3 model.

Honest question...

How much difference will there be in general financial aid under the D-III model and the partial athletic scholarships that will be given to D-2 athletes?  The difference in travel expenses?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on April 03, 2009, 03:26:14 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 02:13:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 03, 2009, 11:48:56 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 11:15:31 AM
This is almost heretical, but the student-athlete experience is valid in many scenarios.  If the isolation of Colorado College relative to the rest of D-III, and the travel expense therein is really a problem for Colorado College, then has CC explored D-II?

The Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference (http://www.rmacsports.org/landing/index) offers everything that the CC needs, and all of the member universities are closer than the nearest SCAC opponent.

I'd think the cost of 100-200 (?) athletic scholarships across all sports (plus increased cost of coaching staffs) for a school as small as CC would outweigh the travel savings realized by such a move.
The school has already built the discount rate into the financial aid packages of the students who are competing for CC under the D3 model.

Honest question...

How much difference will there be in general financial aid under the D-III model and the partial athletic scholarships that will be given to D-2 athletes?  The difference in travel expenses?

Just out of curiosity, how much does Colorado College spend on their D1 ice hockey program (including travel expenses)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 05, 2009, 03:20:14 PM
For my 400th post...kudos and many thanks to Pat and everyone else who makes this website possible. I don't know how it is put together, who owns it, etc...but it is an incredible resource created by some people with a real passion for DIII sports and the student-athletes, coaches and parents who are a part of it all. Thank you!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 05, 2009, 04:26:12 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on April 03, 2009, 03:26:14 PM

Just out of curiosity, how much does Colorado College spend on their D1 ice hockey program (including travel expenses)?

From the front page (http://www.d3football.com/):

Quote from: PatIce hockey's operating expenses were a little more than $1,000,000 in 2007-08, according to figures the school filed with the U.S. Department of Education.

And to that you should add the cost (whatever it is) for the Title IX-mandated scholarship sport, women's soccer.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 05, 2009, 04:55:13 PM
On another note, if you don't regularly hop on d3hoops.com, you should, because one of the stories there is about the NCAA trying to do for D3 what it recently has done for D2 (http://d3blogs.com/d3hoops/2009/04/04/division-iii-identity-project/), e.g. promote what makes it unique and why it works.

To be honest, I'm not sure the "I Chose Division II" campaign accomplished that much, but the story itself is well worth your time.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on April 05, 2009, 05:50:01 PM
Article from the Colorado Springs Gazette (http://www.gazette.com/sports/carle_51110___article.html/football_made.html) about the demise of Colorado College football:

QuoteCarle crushed by CC's decision on football

When the president of Colorado College arrived along with the athletic director, Jerry Carle knew the conversation would be about the state of the football program.

Carle, 85, coached the Tigers 33 seasons. He fought to keep the program alive in 1960. He knows the team's perilous recent history.

"I thought maybe they were going to ask me to raise funds for the football team," Carle said.

What he didn't know, what he couldn't have imagined, was what he heard next.

Dick Celeste, CC's president, told Carle the football program had been dropped. The team Carle kept alive for decades was gone.

Celeste and CC athletic director Ken Ralph made the trip to Carle's Colorado Springs home last Tuesday. They wanted to personally deliver the bad news. They believed they owed Carle (pronounced car-lee) that much.

"It was painful for us as well," Ralph said. "I felt, personally, I was letting him down."

"I owed him an opportunity to hear about the decision directly from me," Celeste said. "No one better embodies the values of our college more than Jerry Carle."

Carle spent an hour talking with Celeste and Ralph. After the men departed, Carle spent hours sitting in his favorite rocking chair. Kit, his faithful German shepherd, relaxed by his side.

Eileen, Carle's wife, left him alone.

...

The news hit him, and still hits him, with enormous force. Carle said it was similar to waking up and hearing your father had died.

He thought of all those great Saturday afternoons at Washburn Field. Those memories made him smile.

But he kept returning to the present, and this made him frown.

Carle is hurting for himself, but mostly he hurts for the current Tigers.

They had made a commitment to play football for a school that no longer has a football team.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 06, 2009, 12:56:25 PM
To any and all SCAC posters...any news/updates concerning spring practice or  recruiting? Outlook for '09 season?

Here in Indianapolis, it's cold, overcast and spitting snow...it's football weather!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 06, 2009, 02:27:52 PM
Perhaps you can share what you've heard from your youngster regarding DPU's recruiting, but everything I've heard says that DPU is very pleased with their group.  Apparently there's a ton of in-state talent, even more so than usual.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 08, 2009, 08:06:20 PM
Interesting coverage on the home page regarding CC football...maybe that's why administrators seemed to make the decision under the cover of darkness...didn't want to have to deal with opposition...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2009, 08:43:05 PM
I have bought mine! (http://www.saveccfootball.com/t-shirts)  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 08, 2009, 10:38:42 PM
$400K raised/pledged in such a short period of time (without any effing support from the adminstration) is quite impressive. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 08, 2009, 10:56:03 PM
D3football.com pledged money in support as well. (Not a lot compared to $400K, of course.)

http://www.saveccfootball.com/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: formerd3db on April 09, 2009, 07:47:13 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 08, 2009, 10:56:03 PM
D3football.com pledged money in support as well. (Not a lot compared to $400K, of course.)

http://www.saveccfootball.com/
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 08, 2009, 10:38:42 PM
$400K raised/pledged in such a short period of time (without any effing support from the adminstration) is quite impressive. 

Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 08, 2009, 08:43:05 PM
I have bought mine! (http://www.saveccfootball.com/t-shirts)  :)
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 08, 2009, 08:06:20 PM
Interesting coverage on the home page regarding CC football...maybe that's why administrators seemed to make the decision under the cover of darkness...didn't want to have to deal with opposition...

Interesting indeed.  Some of you may recall that about 5 years ago or so, Michigan Tech University's administrators announced that they were dropping the university's football program - an NCAA DII scholarship program.  This was also done without input/discussion from the alumni.  Within 3 months, alumni, fans and other MTU football supporters had raised over 3 million dollars to save the program, formed an organization to assist the university in overseeing/supporting the program and pledged to help fund this for future years.  Faced with this overwhelming support, despite their apparent previous lack of including input from these other parties, the MTU administration reinstated the program.  MTU is competitive and in fact, thereafter went 10-1 in the regular season (making the DII playoffs I believe that year - one of the 3 GLIAC teams that did - I'd have to go back and check the NCAA book for that, but do not have the time right now), and also, that was the year they played Grand Valley State in U of Michigan's stadium I believe, drawing over 51, 000 fans (and outdrawing Central Michigan at Eastern Michigan DI MAC just 5 miles away).

If MTU can raise that kind of $, and that being for a DII scholarship program, Colorado College alumni and supporters most certainly should be able to do similar for saving their football program.  Although CC has the added expenses of flying as compared to MTU and the other GLIAC programs who all travel by bus, I can't imagine that CC's expenses would be more than the scholarships overall - without hard figures in front of me, of course, I'm speculating right now.  Still, a DIII program overall expenses are not going to be like DII.  DIII schools do that out of their general budget and even the smallest of schools, if they really want to, (such as Olivet, MI) can find a way to make it work (with the exception of Blackburn and Principia ;D ::) :o).

Anyway, I hope it works out for CC.
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 10, 2009, 09:55:26 AM
According to what is purported to be an email from the CC AD (http://groups.google.com/group/save-cc-football/browse_thread/thread/2392b89150abb5a3), the school is considering changing conference affiliation, apparently to one that does not require as many sports to be offered.    Timeframe is 3-4 years.    One wonders even if that decision is made, whether or not football would be one of the sports CC would elect to support.

Click the "show quoted text" link to display the email in question. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 10:34:34 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 10, 2009, 09:55:26 AM
According to what is purported to be an email from the CC AD (http://groups.google.com/group/save-cc-football/browse_thread/thread/2392b89150abb5a3), the school is considering changing conference affiliation, apparently to one that does not require as many sports to be offered.    Timeframe is 3-4 years.    One wonders even if that decision is made, whether or not football would be one of the sports CC would elect to support.

Click the "show quoted text" link to display the email in question. 

Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 03, 2009, 11:15:31 AM
This is almost heretical, but the student-athlete experience is valid in many scenarios.  If the isolation of Colorado College relative to the rest of D-III, and the travel expense therein is really a problem for Colorado College, then has CC explored D-II?

The Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference (http://www.rmacsports.org/landing/index) offers everything that the CC needs, and all of the member universities are closer than the nearest SCAC opponent.

Half of the schools in the RMAC are on the Front Range, less than a 90-minute drive from the Springs.

I think that is a euphemism for "moving to D-II"

D-II requires 10 sports 5 male and 5 female. (Please correct me here if I am wrong.)

CC is keeping Men's Ice Hockey and Women's Soccer.  Since there is no D-II in Men's Ice Hockey, then they must go D-I.

If the Rocky Mountain Athletic Conference will permit CC to participate in 4 other sports (M & W), then CC can "change conference affiliations" (move to D-II).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on April 10, 2009, 10:38:35 AM
Here's a couple of news stories about the effort to save CC football from the local FOX and NBC stations:

Colorado College students try to save sports (http://www.coloradoconnection.com/news/video.aspx?id=283860)

CC rally (http://managekoaa.worldnow.com/global/video/flash/popupplayer.asp?ClipID1=3630011&h1=CC%20rally&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=145133&LaunchPageAdTag=News&fvCatNo=&backgroundImageURL=&activePane=info&rnd=46585646)

It must be particularly galling to some at CC that their sports programs aren't getting a bailout, seeing that Colorado went for the Messiah in the last election. Surely the Messiah Administration can spare a few million dollars of their freshly-printed funny money to save CC football.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 10, 2009, 10:47:35 AM
Here are the offerings by the RMAC and Colorado College...

RMAC - Men:  Baseball, Basketball, XC, Football, Golf, Soccer, Tennis, Swimming,  Indoor Track and Field, Outdoor Track and Field, Wrestling

RMAC - Women: Basketball, XC, Golf, Soccer, Tennis, Swimming, Indoor Track and Field, Outdoor Track and Field, Volleyball and Softball

CC - Men: Basketball, XC, FB, Soccer, Swimming, "Track and Field", Tennis, Lacrosse, (D-1 Ice Hockey)

CC- Women: Basketball, XC, (D-I Soccer), Swimming, "Track and Field", Softball, Tennis, Lacrosse, Water Polo.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 10, 2009, 11:39:47 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on April 10, 2009, 10:38:35 AM

It must be particularly galling to some at CC that their sports programs aren't getting a bailout


Please keep the political drivel in the politics board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on April 10, 2009, 01:16:14 PM
That's a pretty easy decision, Colorado College should immediately  move to DII and join the RMAC, with football or no football but with the move to d2, i'd keep football...can't think that process would take that long, more like 3-4 months rather than years... guess the RMAC would need to find another expansion pick to even their membership out at 16 teams though + wonder if this exploring another league by CC was one of the items the depauw AD was alluding to in some of his comments about the SCAC? yet, considering the scac as a couple of willing replacements out there, udallas or berry, doesn't really effect the scac if CC moved to d2. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 10, 2009, 11:58:15 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on April 10, 2009, 10:38:35 AM
Colorado went for the Messiah in the last election.

Messiah doesn't have football. They're really good in soccer and women's basketball, however.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 11, 2009, 12:06:02 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on April 10, 2009, 11:58:15 PM
Quote from: OxyBob on April 10, 2009, 10:38:35 AM
Colorado went for the Messiah in the last election.

Messiah doesn't have football. They're really good in soccer and women's basketball, however.
Well, it is worth noting his winning pick in DI men's basketball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 11, 2009, 12:12:20 AM
Quote from: OxyBob on April 10, 2009, 10:38:35 AM
It must be particularly galling to some at CC that their sports programs aren't getting a bailout, seeing that Colorado went for the Messiah in the last election. Surely the Messiah Administration can spare a few million dollars of their freshly-printed funny money to save CC football.

OxyBob
Hey OxyBob, if you were a hawk, your right wing would be showing.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: OxyBob on April 11, 2009, 01:19:40 AM
Here's another article about the rally to save CC football, courtesy of the Colorado Springs Independent:

End Zone: Trying to save a piece of CC's history (http://www.csindy.com/colorado/trying-to-save-a-piece-of-ccs-history/Content?oid=1347936)

Quote from: hasanova on April 11, 2009, 12:12:20 AM
Hey OxyBob, if you were a hawk, your right wing would be showing.

Never a hawk, only a mockingbird.

OxyBob
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2009, 03:31:51 PM
We hear that CC's canceling the 2009 season impacted 3 Homecoming games for SCAC foes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on April 12, 2009, 08:33:56 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on April 11, 2009, 03:31:51 PM
We hear that CC's canceling the 2009 season impacted 3 Homecoming games for SCAC foes!
Yeah, their late decision really did put a lot of schools in a bind.  Homecoming activities are planned so far in advance ... hotels, caterers, bands, etc.   CC hasn't made a lot of friends with this one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 13, 2009, 06:02:34 PM
I think it is great that the student body and alumni are coming together to try and save the football team. However my question is, where was all the support when they were actually playing football. According to their stats they average around 550 people per game.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 13, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 13, 2009, 06:02:34 PM
I think it is great that the student body and alumni are coming together to try and save the football team. However my question is, where was all the support when they were actually playing football. According to their stats they average around 550 people per game.



SCAC football is a whole different beast.  No admission, so crowd size is pretty irrelevant from a financial perspective, plus CoCo's location means you're never going to see more than 50-100 visiting fans. 

It's similar to Trinity; a school located in a sizable metro area which largely ignores the school.  The lack of success over the years no doubt contributes to the lack of attendance.   The school is small (1866 undergrads according to D3hoops).  The Air Force Academy draws the casual fan and the outdoors are where a lot of others head on a fall weekend.   "The Springs" is a beautiful place to visit and the mountains are literally right next door. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 14, 2009, 12:45:08 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 13, 2009, 10:42:05 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 13, 2009, 06:02:34 PM
I think it is great that the student body and alumni are coming together to try and save the football team. However my question is, where was all the support when they were actually playing football. According to their stats they average around 550 people per game.



SCAC football is a whole different beast.  No admission, so crowd size is pretty irrelevant from a financial perspective, plus CoCo's location means you're never going to see more than 50-100 visiting fans. 

It's similar to Trinity; a school located in a sizable metro area which largely ignores the school.  The lack of success over the years no doubt contributes to the lack of attendance.   The school is small (1866 undergrads according to D3hoops).  The Air Force Academy draws the casual fan and the outdoors are where a lot of others head on a fall weekend.   "The Springs" is a beautiful place to visit and the mountains are literally right next door. 
Yeah, you sit on the top row of the east stands of Tiger (Belton ISD) Stadium and can see 9 municipal water towers on the western horizon.

You sit on the top row of (the east stands and only stands unless they have added new ones) at Washburn Field (oldest football field west of the Mississippi River) and you look at Pikes Peak.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 14, 2009, 10:00:27 AM
I really was not thinking about the financial impact of low attendance at the games, as I know that ticket sales is not the goal of division III football. However I keep seeing that the students and alumni are mad that the administration did not talk to them about this decison.

Frankly with such low attendance they probably assumed the students would not care.

My heart does go out though to the players and coaches, I have no doubt that they gave it their all every Saturday and for the rug to be pulled out from them at this point is not fair.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on April 14, 2009, 11:13:01 AM
Colorado College - "Where the Air is Rare" - must have killed too many of their brain cells. :(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 14, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Trinity Tiger 2009 Football Schedule)

Trinity University has added a home game against Azusa Pacific University on October 31, 2009 to replace the removal of Colorado College from the schedule on that date. The game will be played at 1:30 P.M. San Antonio time; Azusa Pacific is well known in California and the NAIA (scholarship) as a powerhouse program. The Tigers last played Azusa Pacific in the 2004 season (a 14-35 loss also in San Antonio).

                                                                         :o


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 14, 2009, 08:42:57 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 14, 2009, 10:00:27 AM
I really was not thinking about the financial impact of low attendance at the games, as I know that ticket sales is not the goal of division III football. However I keep seeing that the students and alumni are mad that the administration did not talk to them about this decison.

Frankly with such low attendance they probably assumed the students would not care.

Frankly if they would have put a good product on the field, they may have drawn more than 550 a game.  They're 17-50 since 2001.  Of course the students aren't going to show up in large numbers. 

When the numbers are like that, what's the difference between 550 and 1000?  It's really all the same at that point, isn't it?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 14, 2009, 10:59:55 PM
Wes, when you say "if they put a good product on the field" are you referring to the players, coaches or the administration?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 14, 2009, 11:15:52 PM
All of them.

Don't get me wrong here - I'm not condoning the way the administration handled this situation - but I'm certainly not going to buy into the argument that the student body and local community are both under some unwritten responsibility to support this football team or else they're going to lose it.  "Nobody cares so we're taking it way."  That's a bunch of crap.  Somebody would care if you'd win something. 

EDIT: Even D3 alums grow weary of their programs having a chronic case of losing-itis.  That's why nobody supports them.  They haven't fielded a winner since 1993.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 15, 2009, 12:01:30 AM
Quote from: etg on April 14, 2009, 08:25:24 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Trinity Tiger 2009 Football Schedule)

Trinity University has added a home game against Azusa Pacific University on October 31, 2009 to replace the removal of Colorado College from the schedule on that date. The game will be played at 1:30 P.M. San Antonio time; Azusa Pacific is well known in California and the NAIA (scholarship) as a powerhouse program. The Tigers last played Azusa Pacific in the 2004 season (a 14-35 loss also in San Antonio).

                                                                         :o




With TU badly needing a fourth home game to replace CC, and with the limited number of D3 teams with openings on Trinity's open dates, it would not surprise me if APU was the only school willing/able to put a trip to SA on the schedule at this late date.   
Title: Millsaps adds 10th game with Huntingdon slated for October 10 in Montgomery
Post by: Carl Menist on April 15, 2009, 09:15:50 AM
Millsaps has added Huntingdon to the 2009 schedule at game #6 to be played on October 10 in Montgomery.

The Majors will be well tested through the first 6 games with Mississippi College in Clinton, NAIA Belhaven at Home, an improving Austin College in Sherman, then DePauw in Greencastle, Trinity in Jackson and then Huntingdon.

Spring practice is wrapping up this week. The group seems very focused and workmanlike as they prepare to defend their run of three straight SCAC titles.

These first six games will be a real measuring stick. If the team moves through this gauntlet unblemished or with only a single loss, another bid to the NCAA playoffs may be in the works?

The league is ever improving and this year may be as balanced as it has been in recent years. Possibly this is a year for two teams to go to the NCAAs and /or a chance to see the SCAC representative go deeper in the playoffs.







Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 02, 2009, 10:33:57 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 02, 2009, 10:25:34 AM


http://depauw.edu/news/?id=23280


You guys sure don't like Wabash ...  ;)

Quote from: The Forgotten Man on April 01, 2009, 11:49:15 PM
Huntingdon and LaGrange colleges may have to replace four games each now that the SLIAC has decided to drop football THIS year. They are waiting to see which teams are still going to honor their commitment to play this season.

Link to this, please?  I saw nothing on the SLIAC, Huntingdon, or LaGrange athletic sites, and a google news search on "SLIAC football" returned only a story on Huntingdon's 2009 schedule.    

Or was this a very late April Fools joke, in which case you got me hook, line, & sinker?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 15, 2009, 09:27:10 AM
So Wes would you have been ok with CC losing football if they did it earlier in the year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 15, 2009, 11:56:58 AM
QuoteSo Wes would you have been ok with CC losing football if they did it earlier in the year?

I know you're posing the question to Wes...but here's my 2 cents (maybe less)... earlier notification is part of it...but it's more striking to me that there was no discussion (at least none that I'm aware of) about eliminating the program...it just happened...and in the spring to boot! Would think some sort of process, even if it is expedited, is warranted here....it appears as though administrators put players, coaches and other conference teams in a tough spot with little or no discussion, debate or deliberation...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 15, 2009, 01:57:24 PM
I totally agree D3_DPUFan, there is no excuse for the timing of this event. Everyone involved should have known about this process months ago.

My only point is I don't see how the students and alumni can cry foul when not many of them supported the team while they were actually playing football. In my opinion (and I know I spend too much energy following sports) if you are going to be a fan, you have to support the team win, lose, or draw.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 15, 2009, 02:27:18 PM
I don't think the timing has anything to do with it.  It was very poor, but I can't buy into your argument.  At this level, attendance shows no sign of the state of the program.  There are tons of programs across the country that draw at or in the vicinity of the same number that aren't going anywhere.  There was no writing on the wall here.  This stunned everybody.

The problem is that the administration is allowed to do whatever they want at whatever time they want.  DePauw COULD cut football tomorrow.  There's about a 1 in a trillion chance of that ever happening, but they could. 

Not attending the game is one of the main ways fans can show their displeasure with the quality of product their they're invested in.  And by God, if I went there, I wouldn't show up to watch that team.  That's how you get the message across that they aren't doing a good enough job.  How does the administration, who is likely at fault for the state of this program over the past 15 years, just get to pull the plug because nobody cares?  That's absolutely ridiculous.  I still say that it's not in some unwritten code somewhere that the student body is required to root for a loser.  They just aren't.  Trust me - no team in the country, not even the Crusaders or the Purple Raiders, would draw that much better if they were 20-56 in this decade instead of 92-14 or 125-4.

Now if the administration is going to pull the plug on the program because they can't win, that's fine.  But I'm not under the impression that was why.  Fans have the right to a football team if they want to go or not.  You have no right to take that away because your fans won't go because YOU made it suck.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 16, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Another great front page story...Hall Mumme in D III...is DIII a holding pad for bad boys in DI or a landing pad for coaches who want to contribute to the "greater good"? Thank you again d3football.com...incredible resource...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2009, 01:14:30 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 16, 2009, 08:09:40 PM
Another great front page story...Hall Mumme in D III...is DIII a holding pad for bad boys in DI or a landing pad for coaches who want to contribute to the "greater good"? Thank you again d3football.com...incredible resource...
Thanks for the comment.

Actually Coach Mumme gave a very interesting press conference.

McMurry left scholarship NAIA football in the Lone Star Conference when I was at McMurry.  The McMurry head coach Buddy Fornes left to go to Tarleton State, where Coach Mumme played and graduated.  While he was in college, he thought that he wanted to grow up to be a coach like the one from McMurry.

He bounced around Texas until he went to Iowa Wesleyan about 1989, ... etc.

He was diagnosed with prostate cancer last fall and had the surgery in January.  He thought that he would be out of coaching for a year.  (His wife is also a breast cancer survivor.)

There are significant coaching connections around McMurry and West Texas including Mumme's former assistant Texas Tech's Mike Leach and AFCA president Grant Teaff (McMurry player and coach) who told him about the job.

McMurry had 170 applications for the job and the last 5 were very well-qualified.  Mumme got the job.

He says that he is glad to be home in Texas, coaching again.  He has ties to the state and should be close to family.

He said all of the right things at the press conference.  I hope that he is glad to be home in Texas and in D-III.  He will be well received in Abilene.  I hope that he is able to accomplish what he can for us at McMurry and in D-III.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2009, 01:25:31 AM
What is not said in the article about the McMurry slump in this decade is that we were doing so well in the late 1990's.  Coach Keenum (father of UH QB Chase) lost one coordinator to start the program at Louisiana College and his other coordinator to an ugly slow agonizing death to cancer.  Losing Coach Ridlehoover that way just kinda took the wind out of the school's sails.

We lost the momentum of moving to D3 in the 1990's with that turn of events.  We have strong programs where we have had strong,  leadership, e.g.,  men's and women's basketball, baseball, track, cross country, volleyball.  Even swimming, golf and tennis have had success, especially with the new tennis courts. (Maybe not the same Directors Cup success as Trinity and DPU, but as good as the ASC has seen.)  I hope that Coach Mumme can build a twenty year legacy like Coach Mohr, Coach Keeling or Coach Fred.  Football is one area that needs work.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on April 17, 2009, 11:50:05 AM
Would Huntigdon be a possible candidate to fill Coll. College slot in SCAC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on April 17, 2009, 03:06:57 PM
I have no idea what the scac membership will look like but my guess is...there will be some shifts soon. I could see the scac expanding to 14, putting either dallas or centenary college in the west and berry in the east . Yet, the league ex's might like the #12 but if so still see some shifts, ie colorado college probably will be moving on sooner rather than later.  In that case, I would pop Berry in the east and shift Rhodes to the west...if depauw left, move rhodes back east and add either dallas or centenary college in the west if you want to stay at 12. As for huntigdon, i think there are a few school's above them the scac would look at...maybe throw in berea college before turning to huntigdon...so it would take a lot of movements/expansion before they could join, but never say never.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 17, 2009, 03:29:21 PM
University of South Dakota has joined the Summit League as its 11th member.

Does that make it easier for Centenary to leave?

Summit League (http://www.thesummitleague.org/)

What does the market downturn do for Centenary's assessment of its travel budget?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 18, 2009, 12:32:38 AM
14 teams still scares me for football.  Yeah, you shouldn't base how you configure your conference based on current conditions, but having two of the big three teams in one division and the third team in the other just causes more headaches than it's worth for me.  Particularly when there won't ever be a conference championship game as long as DePauw is in the conference.  Plus, they'll be unbalanced divisions because there'd be only 11 teams playing football if both added schools play the sport.  Probably 5 in East and 6 in the West depending on who you add.

Although, Berry doesn't play football, which would give you only 10 football schools, and no need for divisions.  Just play only 1 non-conf game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on April 18, 2009, 10:20:03 AM
If you added Berry to the east and either Centenary/Udallas to the west to get to 14, don't think that would effect football that much since you would still only have 9 football school's. Out of the 5 non-football school's, Colorado College, Berry, Oglethorpe, SW, and Dallas/Centenary...maybe 2 might start/restart their programs so i guess your 11 team figure could eventually be a problem though. Yet, I think 14 teams would ease the travel for everybody by playing division foes more in other sports but who knows if the scac wants to stay at 12 or not...right now i see 3 school's that might leave, CC + depauw do to geography and maybe Oglethorpe do to $'s (10M endowment is kinda of low to keep up with the jones) so before any expansion past 12 happens maybe the scac waits on those possible moves.

Little strange that U of North Dakota isn't joining U of South Dakota in making that move to the summit but wow talk about a league that is spread out, ditto the Great West Conference, makes the scac school's look like neighbors...would think U of Denver would like to join the Summit though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 23, 2009, 08:50:05 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Azusa Pacific University-"willing/able" and what else?)

Ron,
I agree that Azusa Pacific was "willing/able" to schedule Trinity, but I also believe the $10K (shall we at the D3 level call it) "honorarium" had something to do with it. Azusa Pacific also plays D3 UW-LaCrosse and D3 UW-Stevens Point during their now 11-game 2009 season.

                                                                              :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on April 24, 2009, 11:59:50 AM
In Sherman, Tx the Kangaroos have wrapped up their Spring Football drills. Here are some highly unofficial, parental observations.

Drills went well. Lots of very focused, productive work. Like everyone else in the conference they spent some time looking to strengthen some areas weakend by graduation, injuries, etc. And I guess without scholarship money in D3 there is a little more roster movement in the spring than is seen in D1.

Obviously with the graduations and the unexpected death of Zach Swirczynski the running back corp got some neccesary attention. Everyone knows A.C. is serious about the ground game. I'm confident that if anyone can respond to the current challenges Coach Gage and his staff can.

There were some new faces on the field this spring inluding a couple of transfers that may contribute right away. And I spoke recently with a DFW area high school coach who said one of his graduating players is headed to Sherman this fall. He indicated that Coach Gage has definitely been working the DFW area, garnering some attention for A.C and the D3 exeprience. - Don't misunderstand though, there is a very good, experienced group on hand and excited about their opportunities in 2009.

The Roo's have definitely grown up some in recent seasons and it will be very interesting to see if that continues this fall. I anticipate a deep sense of purpose to the upcoming season. It should be fun getting an early look at McMurry under their new head coach in week 2, then as usual the first in-conference contest with Millsaps the next week.

I am not aware of a replacement on our schedule so far for the Colorado College game - but I'm not an insider so...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 26, 2009, 04:39:50 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: the HOLY COW!)

Ralph,
IMHO due to the HOLY COW, most Trinity Tiger fans are now looking more than four months forward to Sept. 5th in Abilene. Comments?

                                                                          :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 27, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Following up on what we were talking about with DePauw's issues with the SCAC a couple of weeks ago - rumor going around over on the NCAC board is that Earlham is jumping ship from the NCAC at the end of this upcoming academic year for the Heartland. 

Something to certainly be advised of, I believe, since DePauw is probably the most logical choice for them even if DPU isn't looking for a new conference like some of us think they are.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on April 27, 2009, 03:35:06 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on April 27, 2009, 02:00:15 PM
Following up on what we were talking about with DePauw's issues with the SCAC a couple of weeks ago - rumor going around over on the NCAC board is that Earlham is jumping ship from the NCAC at the end of this upcoming academic year for the Heartland. 

Something to certainly be advised of, I believe, since DePauw is probably the most logical choice for them even if DPU isn't looking for a new conference like some of us think they are.

One other thing that would need to be considered is whether or not the NCAC would want to replace Earlham or stay with the nine teams remaining.  I've heard again and again that the league had no interest in expanding beyond ten schools, so any DePauw to the NCAC noise prior to right now was all pie in the sky stuff.  But I think this Earlham thing has legs...there are enough smoke signals that makes me believe that there's a decent chance that the rumor has some legitimacy.  There are a lot of things that would make sense about DePauw coming to the NCAC...I think it's mainly a matter of whether or not the league and the institution want to do it (if, of course, Earlham does leave).  I couldn't see the presidents of the NCAC member institutions not wanting to do this if the opportunity arises, so I think the biggest question mark is whether or not DePauw wants to leave the south. 

It'll be interesting to track this story for sure. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on April 28, 2009, 11:08:31 AM
I think that is a strange move for Earlham to make...geography wise, its a flip of a coin for either league but the ncac would seem to have a higher academic profile school type + throw in Earlham's nice sized endowment, you would think the academics at Earlham would want to hang out in the ncac. If they did make that move, i would think Depauw would jump at an ncac offer and that such an offer would be made...if this did go down would assume depauw would still play in the scac in 2009/2010...at least for football, yeah they would have to than i'd guess berry college would join the scac as their replacement.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on April 28, 2009, 01:13:49 PM
Quote from: cush on April 28, 2009, 11:08:31 AM
I think that is a strange move for Earlham to make...geography wise, its a flip of a coin for either league but the ncac would seem to have a higher academic profile school type + throw in Earlham's nice sized endowment, you would think the academics at Earlham would want to hang out in the ncac.

Endowment and academics aside (though Hanover, Transylvania, and Rose Hulman aren't slouches in those departments either), a prospective move by Earlham to the Heartland would be positive, geographically.  RHIT and Anderson are rivals in football, and the furthest road game is a two and a half hour bus ride to Lexington, KY..  Sports-wise, the Quakers would move to an upper tier position in several, athletic endeavors and their profile (teams on campus) match up well with existing HCAC programs. JMHO  ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 30, 2009, 02:40:09 PM
According to the SCAC website, DePauw has repeated as President's Trophy champions (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/presidents_trophy).  The margin this year was once again close - 10 points separated DPU and Trinity.  Had one of Trinity's tennis teams been able to defeat their Tiger brethren in the conference finals, it would have been a tie - but DePauw handled their young opponents with ease.  Congratulations to the Greencastle crew, who have now won the Trophy four years running.    If DPU does leave the SCAC for the NCAC as some have posited, they will go out on a high note. 

2008-2009 SCAC President's Trophy
Final Standings
(combined Men's & Women's)

1. DePauw University - 852.5
2. Trinity University    - 842.5
3. Centre College - 792.5
4. Rhodes College - 737.5
5. Southwestern University - 522.5
6. Hendrix College  - 492.5
7. Sewanee-The University of the South - 472.5
8. Colorado College - 425
9. Oglethorpe University - 335
10. Millsaps College - 285
11. Austin College - 247.5

It would be less than worthy of me to note that DePauw received 45 points for competing in a sport that less than half of the conference (and none of the schools west of the Sabine*) participates in.    Honest.     ;)

* I was going to say the Mississippi, but Hendrix spoiled that.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 30, 2009, 03:50:02 PM
QuoteAccording to the SCAC website, DePauw has repeated as President's Trophy champions.  The margin this year was once again close - 10 points separated DPU and Trinity.  Had one of Trinity's tennis teams been able to defeat their Tiger brethren in the conference finals, it would have been a tie - but DePauw handled their young opponents with ease.  Congratulations to the Greencastle crew, who have now won the Trophy four years running.    If DPU does leave the SCAC for the NCAC as some have posited, they will go out on a high note. 

Nice note, Ron...I think it speaks volumes to the hard work of staff and administration---and the funding---to field a well-rounded sports program...year in and year out. That includes some quality facilities...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 30, 2009, 05:34:13 PM
While we're passing out kudos...DPU's SID Bill Wagner is amazing. Unless I'm mistaken, he is a one man show...and somehow handles all of DePauw's sports (I count 19!). The quality of the game stories, summaries and stats and how quickly they all get posted after games is phenomenal...in addition to all of his other duties. One of the true unsung heroes of DePauw's athletic program, IMHO.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on April 30, 2009, 10:37:39 PM
Well said D3_DPUFan.

Bill Wagner is as good as it gets in the field of sports information. Another thing goes unnoticed and untold is how willing Bill is to answer questions and assist any of the less experienced SIDs in our conference.

The SCAC is a better conference because of people like Bill Wagner.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 01, 2009, 08:30:52 AM
QuoteBill Wagner is as good as it gets in the field of sports information. Another thing goes unnoticed and untold is how willing Bill is to answer questions and assist any of the less experienced SIDs in our conference.

The SCAC is a better conference because of people like Bill Wagner.

Not surprising...classy guy.

And I know I've mentioned it before, but I like what you guys are doing with the conference site.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 03, 2009, 03:37:33 PM
In the wake of Colorado College's unfortunate demise, how about this for a scheduling scenario for DePauw's 10th game:

I notice on the Open Schedule  Board that Centre is looking for a game October 17. Would the SCAC allow DePauw and Centre to play October 17 (instead of September 19)? That would allow the Tigers to schedule Washington and Lee (less of a road trip than CC) September 19.

I know the ideal situation would be to get a game for DPU's open date 9/5...but seems to me that Centre/Washington and Lee scenario might make sense...anybody care to blow holes in that idea???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2009, 04:00:47 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on May 03, 2009, 03:37:33 PM
In the wake of Colorado College's unfortunate demise, how about this for a scheduling scenario for DePauw's 10th game:

I notice on the Open Schedule  Board that Centre is looking for a game October 17. Would the SCAC allow DePauw and Centre to play October 17 (instead of September 19)? That would allow the Tigers to schedule Washington and Lee (less of a road trip than CC) September 19.

I know the ideal situation would be to get a game for DPU's open date 9/5...but seems to me that Centre/Washington and Lee scenario might make sense...anybody care to blow holes in that idea???
For Centre, I would rather play a conference game later in the season than earlier!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 03, 2009, 04:16:55 PM
DPU could bus there (rather than fly to CC) which would be a big money saver...looks like the bus trip would be long...but exactly the same as Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 03, 2009, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2009, 04:00:47 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on May 03, 2009, 03:37:33 PM
In the wake of Colorado College's unfortunate demise, how about this for a scheduling scenario for DePauw's 10th game:

I notice on the Open Schedule  Board that Centre is looking for a game October 17. Would the SCAC allow DePauw and Centre to play October 17 (instead of September 19)? That would allow the Tigers to schedule Washington and Lee (less of a road trip than CC) September 19.

I know the ideal situation would be to get a game for DPU's open date 9/5...but seems to me that Centre/Washington and Lee scenario might make sense...anybody care to blow holes in that idea???
For Centre, I would rather play a conference game later in the season than earlier!
I would think that they should be flexible to all ideas  because of the unexpected disruptions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 03, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
...and wouldn't Washington and Lee be an in region game for DePauw?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2009, 06:01:19 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on May 03, 2009, 05:46:48 PM
...and wouldn't Washington and Lee be an in region game for DePauw?
Yes, South Evaluation Region and Admin Region #3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 04, 2009, 02:34:23 PM
Thanks, Ralph...
Of course my scenario still leaves Centre looking for a game on 9/19...I wonder how involved the SCAC has been/will be in working with schools to get through the scheduling mess...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 05, 2009, 10:41:47 AM
it does seem like Earlham is a goner from the ncac...seems the funny reasoning with that move is they are getting crushed in the athletic competition, so they want bolt to a league with a better chance to win...the ? is will the ncac pull an earlham and not invite depauw since depauw might dominate the ncac at the expesne of the other members...the other issue is when will this stuff go down? will depauw be playing scac football this fall?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on May 05, 2009, 11:05:33 AM
Quote from: cush on May 05, 2009, 10:41:47 AM
the ? is will the ncac pull an earlham and not invite depauw since depauw might dominate the ncac at the expesne of the other members...

Don't flatter yourself.  If DePauw gets invited it's because they'll be a welcome addition to the conference.  I think DePauw would make the league much stronger athletically pretty much across the board.  But dominate the league?  Please.  There are a lot of very good teams in a lot of the sports sponsored by the NCAC. 

As for this fall, it's way too late in the game to be changing schedules for 2009.  There's nothing doing here, especially with football, until 2010 at the earliest. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on May 05, 2009, 02:15:05 PM
I don't believe they're flattering themselves.  That particular poster isn't a DePauw fan.

But, I do think it's something for the NCAC to consider.  Looking at the last 3 or 4 years of all of the sports, such a move would make DePauw the pre-emptive favorite in XC, WBB, softball, M & W track, and M & W golf.  They'd also be right there with Wooster in MBB & field hockey, with Witt in VB and baseball (down year for DPU this year), and with OWU, Witt, & Hiram in men's soccer (also a bit down for DPU this year) and then obviously in the conversation in football.  It's going to certainly change the landscape of the NCAC, and if that's what they're after, then that's terrific.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 05, 2009, 02:32:11 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on May 05, 2009, 02:15:05 PM
I don't believe they're flattering themselves.  That particular poster isn't a DePauw fan.

But, I do think it's something for the NCAC to consider.  Looking at the last 3 or 4 years of all of the sports, such a move would make DePauw the pre-emptive favorite in XC, WBB, softball, M & W track, and M & W golf.  They'd also be right there with Wooster in MBB & field hockey, with Witt in VB and baseball (down year for DPU this year), and with OWU, Witt, & Hiram in men's soccer (also a bit down for DPU this year) and then obviously in the conversation in football.  It's going to certainly change the landscape of the NCAC, and if that's what they're after, then that's terrific.
The extra appearances as the NCAC Pool A bid in the playoffs also boosts the points that you get in the Directors' Cup.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on May 05, 2009, 02:49:24 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on May 05, 2009, 02:15:05 PM
I don't believe they're flattering themselves.  That particular poster isn't a DePauw fan.

But, I do think it's something for the NCAC to consider.  Looking at the last 3 or 4 years of all of the sports, such a move would make DePauw the pre-emptive favorite in XC, WBB, softball, M & W track, and M & W golf.  They'd also be right there with Wooster in MBB & field hockey, with Witt in VB and baseball (down year for DPU this year), and with OWU, Witt, & Hiram in men's soccer (also a bit down for DPU this year) and then obviously in the conversation in football.  It's going to certainly change the landscape of the NCAC, and if that's what they're after, then that's terrific.

I can't imagine a scenario in which the NCAC wouldn't welcome additional competition.  I want this to happen yesterday.  I think replacing a school that has a stated athletics mission to hover around .500 (seriously...this was quoted by Earlham's president in an article in their student newspaper recently) with a school who strives for excellence and takes pride in having a well rounded and competitive athletics programs only serves to boost the reputation of the league as a whole...and significantly at that.  The NCAC gets banged on (and with reason) for being tremendously top heavy (or maybe bottom heavy is more accurate) in most sports.  Losing Earlham and adding DePauw isn't going to increase parity...some of our schools just aren't likely to be very competitive in certain sports...but it is going to shift the balance of quality programs vs. some of not quite so quality programs.  Competition is a good thing...and if DePauw comes in and waxes everybody in the all-sports race, then I believe that's only going to serve as fuel for the other programs in the league to step it up. 

But again, I don't think you'll find that that the NCAC is quite as bad as it is perceived.  Yes, there are some really bad teams (who doesn't have bad teams?) but there are very good programs scattered throughout the many sports...OWU soccer, Wooster hoops, obviously Kenyon and Denison swimming is otherworldly, Wooster baseball, etc. etc.  There's plenty of top notch competition to go around. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 06, 2009, 10:06:51 PM
I was kinda  joking about the depauw stuff, but they are a power that would win some titles in the ncac at the expense of other members...Interesting stuff on the ncac board about all this...can't imagine depauw wouldn't want to go to the ncac if offered, let alone watch centre, their closet scac school leave the scac and take that spot in the ncac if earlham left. I know the travel in the scac is a pain but i think there is great educational value in such travel but its sure is $. As for centre, that would be a shocker, guess they could also team up with Earlham and make the move to the heartland, maybe throw in berea to get to 12 for that league, who knows what will happen. My guess is it looks like earlham is gone from the ncac and either depauw or W&J will replace them in the ncac. As for the scac, its got a nice base of school's that will stick together and a few replacements out there to fill any void, so no problems.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on May 06, 2009, 10:22:17 PM
Don't think DePauw would stay in the SCAC AND let Centre leave.  DePauw wouldn't have a travel partner.  That's just not a feasible scenario for DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 07, 2009, 12:07:33 AM
Centre is a charter member of the SCAC (dating back to CAC days, 1962).  It would be a major surprise to see them leave the conference they helped found. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LGHistorian on May 07, 2009, 01:26:46 PM
With all due respect to your conference, the CAC was a much different animal than the SCAC of today.  Centre, Sewanee, Southwestern (Rhodes), Washington & Lee and the Washington (St. Louis) and I believe Rose-Hulman was a member before the name change/transformation to the SCAC was a much more compact alignment with shall we say more economical travel costs. I don't know the specifics of the Centre situation but speaking from personal experience sometimes the place where you have called home and worked to make it a better place to be just no longer feels right and you have to at least look at other options and make the move if necessary.

Wabash and DePauw, among others, were charter members and instrumental in forming the ICAC to reconnect with rivalries which dated back to the late 1880's to early 1900's and it worked for awhile but it started to evolve into a league that was different than what either school had in mind. With their best interests in mind, they left the ICAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 07, 2009, 01:40:20 PM
QuoteI don't know the specifics of the Centre situation but speaking from personal experience sometimes the place where you have called home and worked to make it a better place to be just no longer feels right and you have to at least look at other options and make the move if necessary.

What?   ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LGHistorian on May 07, 2009, 04:33:01 PM
Sorry, I get a little long-winded at times.  All I am trying to say is some times an organization can change.  It could be that those changes make you feel uncomfortable. So, you start looking for alternative organizations that are more suitable.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 07, 2009, 08:25:32 PM
QuoteSorry, I get a little long-winded at times.  All I am trying to say is some times an organization can change.  It could be that those changes make you feel uncomfortable. So, you start looking for alternative organizations that are more suitable.

Much better...got it.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 09, 2009, 10:50:38 AM

Was nice to see DePauw Head Coach Matt Walker as the honorary starter for Fast Friday at the Indianapolis Motor Speedway... :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on May 09, 2009, 01:40:49 PM
Thought that was him.  Couldn't tell from the video I saw if it was or wasn't.  Cool.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 09, 2009, 04:11:29 PM

http://depauw.edu/news/?id=23528
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 12, 2009, 08:55:16 PM
Congrats to Millsaps' OG John Shivers and Sewanee DB Chalankis Brown...pre-season All Americans.


http://cdsdraft.com/aa.php?team=Division%20III
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2009, 09:56:44 PM
CB Chalankis Brown, 5'10", 170, Suwanee (Jr.)

[sic]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 12, 2009, 10:31:13 PM
QuoteCB Chalankis Brown, 5'10", 170, Suwanee (Jr.)

[sic]

???? spelling is correct on what?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 12, 2009, 10:48:56 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on May 12, 2009, 10:31:13 PM
QuoteCB Chalankis Brown, 5'10", 170, Suwanee (Jr.)

[sic]

???? spelling is correct on what?
Suwanee
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 13, 2009, 12:03:25 AM
It would be a nice name for a river, though. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 13, 2009, 07:03:14 AM
You might want to inform the university.... ;)

http://www.sewanee.edu/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 13, 2009, 02:37:38 PM
The Suwannee (or Suwanee) River is located in southern Georgia and northern Florida.  The river borders the Suwannee Valley and Suwannee County ... it enters the Gulf of Mexico near Suwanee, Florida.  This river is the subject of the Stephen Foster song "Old Folks at Home", in which he calls it the Swanee River (because Foster had misspelled the name).

The Suwannee is not to be confused with the mountaintop town of Sewanee, Tennessee, home of the University of the South.  A popular bumper sticker there reads "Sewanee is not a river".

info source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suwannee_River

This should also not be confused with the River Tigre near Buenos Aires, Argentina.

If so, they could be the Suwannee River Tigres.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ftbn1.google.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AuPRpbXlNFka_kM%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.wildlifeart.net%2Fimages%2FWaterTiger.jpg&hash=1502250ef58b90445a9070aaf9b859a3d461f12c)

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 13, 2009, 03:40:06 PM
QuoteThe Suwannee (or Suwanee) River is located in southern Georgia and northern Florida.  The river borders the Suwannee Valley and Suwannee County ... it enters the Gulf of Mexico near Suwanee, Florida.  This river is the subject of the Stephen Foster song "Old Folks at Home", in which he calls it the Swanee River (because Foster had misspelled the name).

The Suwannee is not to be confused with the mountaintop town of Sewanee, Tennessee, home of the University of the South.  A popular bumper sticker there reads "Sewanee is not a river".

info source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suwannee_River

This should also not be confused with the River Tigre near Buenos Aires, Argentina.

If so, they could be the Suwannee River Tigres.

Thanks for the help side...and some humor thrown in as well.  :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 13, 2009, 08:14:50 PM
Anybody know how conference temas are doing in getting a 10th game scheduled thanks to the fine folks in Colorado Springs? Whose got a 10th nailed down...who doesn't? As far as I can tell DePauw does not at this point...but I'm sure they are working on it...think the options are pretty slim... 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on May 13, 2009, 08:14:50 PM
Anybody know how conference temas are doing in getting a 10th game scheduled thanks to the fine folks in Colorado Springs? Whose got a 10th nailed down...who doesn't? As far as I can tell DePauw does not at this point...but I'm sure they are working on it...think the options are pretty slim... 

Austin:  nobody yet
BSC:  Huntingdon
Centre:  nobody
DePauw:  nobody
Millsaps:  Huntingdon
Rhodes: Haskell Indian Nations (NAIA)
Sewanee:nobody
Trinity: Azusa Pacific (NAIA)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 13, 2009, 10:01:15 PM
QuoteAustin:  nobody yet
BSC:  Huntingdon
Centre:  nobody
DePauw:  nobody
Millsaps:  Huntingdon
Rhodes: Haskell Indian Nations (NAIA)
Sewanee:nobody
Trinity: Azusa Pacific (NAIA)

Wow...not great...thanks for the info, Ron.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 16, 2009, 12:23:50 PM
Howdy boys.  Football season yet?  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 19, 2009, 07:13:28 AM
Nope ... still track season for a few more days!!

Trinity Tigers RB Chris Baer and OL Justin Campbell have qualified and been invited to the 2009 NCAA Division III Track & Field Championships at Marietta College in Marietta, Ohio on May 21-23 (Thu, Fri, Sat).  Link: http://pioneers.marietta.edu/track/09championships/

Baer, a senior from Shiner, Texas, and two-time SCAC champion in the javelin, qualified 17th with a throw of 60.60 meters (198 ft 10 in).  Last year at the DIII National meet in Oshkosh, his school record toss of 62.55 meters (204 ft 2 in) won him fifth place and All-American status.  Baer was also a first-team all-SCAC selection at running back and the leading rusher in the conference in 2008.

Campbell, a first-year from Victoria, Texas, qualified 10th nationally in the discus throw (165 feet, 4 inches; 50.40 meters).  In his high school career, Campbell was a stand-out discus thrower, medalling in the Texas Class 5A state meet in both his junior and senior seasons.

Trinity University seniors Todd Wildman (110m & 400m Hurdles, LJ & HJ), Emily Loeffler (3000m Steeplechase), D'Ann Arthur (10,000m), and Elizabeth Eder (10,000m) also qualified for the national meet.

Thanks to my lovely wife for buying me an airline ticket for my birthday ... I will be attending the meet this week!  I hope to see Trinity bring home some hardware!

And, perhaps, see McMurry repeat as DIII champs, Ralph?

GO TIGERS!!
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2009, 02:43:20 PM
QuotePREDICTED TEAM SCORES
   1   McMurry University     58.0 50.0 (100, 200, 400, 4X100, 4X400, LJ, LJ, HJ, PV)
   2   Univ of St. Thomas     45.0 (400, 800, 1500, 400H, 4X100, 4X400, LJ, HT)
   3   Wisconsin La Crosse    37.0 (1500, 1500, STEEP, 4X100, 4X400, SP, DT)
   4   Wisconsin Oshkosh      36.0 (1500, 5000, 10000, 400H)
   5   Mississippi College    31.5 (110H, LJ, TJ, HJ)
   6   Trinity U (Texas)      25.0 (110H, 400H, HJ)

Strike Ollison from the 100M.  I think that it may take more than 35 points to win this year and the Wisconsin schools may be back.

Right now, St Thomas is my favorite. (I don't want to jinx myself.  They came on strong in the late season, as it happens every year for northern teams.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 20, 2009, 04:48:03 PM
Lewis and Clark has replaced CC with Crown.  So that eliminates a couple of possibilities.

http://www.lcpioneers.com/sports/fball/2009-10/news/fbCrownHC
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on May 20, 2009, 08:41:58 PM
Awright Ralph...  I'm "makin' the call"  TU wins it all!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 22, 2009, 06:53:10 AM
Trinity senior RB Chris Baer won 3rd place in the Men's Javelin yesterday ... All-American in that event for the second year in a row!  Trinity first-year OL Justin Campbell competes in the Men's Discus this afternoon.

In the team competition, University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh and McMurry (Texas) University are tied atop the men's standing with 14 points after five of 21 events.  Trinity University is eighth with 9 points.

GO TIGERS!   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 22, 2009, 09:37:48 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on May 22, 2009, 06:53:10 AM
Trinity senior RB Chris Baer won 3rd place in the Men's Javelin yesterday ... All-American in that event for the second year in a row!  Trinity first-year OL Justin Campbell competes in the Men's Discus this afternoon.

In the team competition, University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh and McMurry (Texas) University are tied atop the men's standing with 14 points after five of 21 events.  Trinity University is eighth with 9 points.

GO TIGERS!   
TigerDad, our 4x100 relay failed to make the finals by 0.03 secs.  I was counting on 2 points (7th place) from them.

The 8 points from Freshman Gavan Bass and the 6 points from Thomas Dmitri in the Pole Vault are what I had anticipated.  (It looks like Dmitri tied for first on height, but lost tie-breakers on jumps.)

Our 4x400 failed to make the finals by a half second.  I was counting on 1 point out of that event.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 22, 2009, 03:09:44 PM

Coach Nick continues to have positive impact with student-athletes...

http://depauw.edu/news/?id=23592
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 23, 2009, 07:16:49 AM
On the second day of competition, Trinity first-year OL Justin Campbell of Victoria, Texas threw 164'7" (50.18m) to win third place in the Men's Discus competition and gain NCAA DIII All-American status.  Congratulations to Justin and all six of the Trinity Tiger men and women for their success this season!

What a blessing to be in Marietta, Ohio this week to get to see them compete!

OK .... NOW it's almost football season, Tex!!

GO TU TIGERS!!

;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 23, 2009, 01:38:23 PM
TigerDad, congrats on Chris' fine finish at nationals.  Heckuva time to pull out your season's best throw ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on May 24, 2009, 09:16:31 PM
Thanks, Ron!  It was a great trip ... glad I got to be there to see all the Tiger men & women compete.  Five trophies out of six athletes ... the men finished tied for sixth in the nation (with only three men competing!)  AWESOME!

2009 NCAA Division III Outdoor Track & Field Championships
May 21-23 @ Marietta College in Marietta, Ohio
FINAL MEN'S TEAM SCORES:

   1   Wisconsin Oshkosh      46.0
   2   McMurry University     40.0
   3   Univ of St. Thomas     39.0
   4   Salisbury University   28.0
   5   Wisconsin La Crosse    26.0
  6=   Whitworth University   23.0
  6=   Trinity U (Texas)      23.0
   8   Buena Vista Univ       21.0

http://raceberryjam.com/results/ncodmen09.html

Now ... a little R&R is in order before August rolls around ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2009, 08:07:10 PM
Colorado College youtube video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVnSIi5___A
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on May 27, 2009, 12:11:27 PM
From the last page...
Trinity is playing Azusa Pacific as their OOC game since Coloroado College dropped?
Does anybody know if they (AP) still run their crazy 3-4, 2-5 type defense.  I remember watching film on it while at Millsaps.  They had backers blitzing from everywhere.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 27, 2009, 08:34:00 PM
Congrats to TU Baer and Campbell.  I look forward to seeing the OL that TU puts together next season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 02, 2009, 12:24:01 PM
I see that Trinity has exceeded its $200M fundraising goal (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/development/campaign/news_events/0905-campaign_update.htm) for the Campaign for Trinity U, but are keeping it open to seek additional funds*.   Since the stadium improvements were to be funded by the Campaign, one hopes that the changes will be coming soon.  It's probably too late for next season; hopefully TU gets to it before my 20-year reunion rolls around (2011). 

* - "additional support will be sought for the Re-envisioning Trinity Initiatives: interdisciplinary programs that capitalize on Trinity's strengths and meet the demands of the global society in which today's graduates must thrive. These initiatives include Trinity's Center for Entrepreneurship, Interdisciplinary Science and Education through Research' East Asian Studies at Trinity (EAST), Urban Engagement, and Mexico, the America's, and Spain (MAS). "
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 02, 2009, 01:31:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 02, 2009, 12:24:01 PM
I see that Trinity has exceeded its $200M fundraising goal (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/development/campaign/news_events/0905-campaign_update.htm) for the Campaign for Trinity U, but are keeping it open to seek additional funds*.   Since the stadium improvements were to be funded by the Campaign, one hopes that the changes will be coming soon.  It's probably too late for next season; hopefully TU gets to it before my 20-year reunion rolls around (2011). 

* - "additional support will be sought for the Re-envisioning Trinity Initiatives: interdisciplinary programs that capitalize on Trinity's strengths and meet the demands of the global society in which today's graduates must thrive. These initiatives include Trinity's Center for Entrepreneurship, Interdisciplinary Science and Education through Research' East Asian Studies at Trinity (EAST), Urban Engagement, and Mexico, the America's, and Spain (MAS). "
Congratulations!  That is great in these economic times. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 02, 2009, 08:22:37 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Tues. 6/2/09--200 days to "the Ship")

FYI!
73 days to Trinity Football Report Day
95 days to Game #1
165 days to SCAC Championship
200 days to "the Ship"

Also, over on the ASC board there is a lot of  "conversation" regarding UMHB and HSU both making a strong run for "the Ship";  I hope they both are really counting TU out, hope...hope?


Ron, I have heard that rough estimates for the TU stadium work you mentioned above run from a low of $8 million to a high of $13 million.  It appears that the $5 million allocation for athletics from the $200+ million funding of the Campaign will not cover the entire stadium project; even if the entire $5 million goes to football (which it probably will not).



                                                                          :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 03, 2009, 08:59:13 AM
That's too bad ... sounds like they want to do it right, tho.

The SCAC is offering a deal on their "state your case" t-shirts, $2 for short sleeve, $3 for long (plius shipping):  http://www.scacsports.com/store/index
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on June 03, 2009, 11:40:21 AM
What kind of work is Trinity wanting to do with their football field?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 03, 2009, 01:22:08 PM
Quote from: crufootball on June 03, 2009, 11:40:21 AM
What kind of work is Trinity wanting to do with their football field?

FieldTurf (etc.) and stadium upgrade was what I heard quite a while back, etg may have better/more current info. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 03, 2009, 03:38:50 PM

Don't know if anyone has noticed that College Football Live (ESPN2/ESPNU) is doing "50 States in 50 Days"...a focus on college football, state by state. DI programs, stars and stats are featured, but there have been a few DIII programs mentioned so far.

To all DPU and Wabash posters and fans/friends of the Monon Bell Classic...why don't we send some comments/suggestions/stories related to the Bell game, the tradition of the Tiger and Little Giant programs and the reasons why the folks at ESPNU should give it some attention beyond Purdue, IU, ND, BSU, etc.

I think New Jersey/Delaware is today; not sure when Indiana will be featured, but IMHO, the Monon Bell Classic deserves more than a brief mention! 8)

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/mailbagESPN?event_id=16564 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 03, 2009, 11:35:32 PM
Centenary mulling options -- D-1 or D-III

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090603/SPORTS02/906030350/1001/SPORTS


New Centenary president is Southwestern alum.


http://www.centenary.edu/news/2009/0000260
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 04, 2009, 10:06:43 AM
Interesting that, of the two D3 conferences Centenary is exploring, the article only mentions the ASC.  You'd think the second conference would be the SCAC, but perhaps the SCAC isn't interested in expanding at this point (unless CC decides to move to D2; no doubt a football-playing school would be preferred but with a program starting at Hendrix in a couple of years it's not that much of a requirement).

Centenary is a member of the Associated Colleges of the South; eight other ACS members are SCAC members.  Birmingham-Southern, which as we all know made a similar move three years ago, is one of them.   

EDIT:  I see where the new Centenary prez, besides being a SW alum (thanks, Ralph!), comes via way of LaGrange and Emory, plus got his master's at Emory.  You wonder if his selection has gotten the D3 ball rolling again (e.g. if he has said that as president he would encourage such a move).   He's a pretty young guy (44) for a university president. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 04, 2009, 12:41:21 PM
Centenary does have an internal battle going on:

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090604/SPORTS02/906040303/1001/SPORTS

I think the scac should expand to 14 this summer with berry and centenary if willing...that would cut travel cost for scac members next year by playing more division games, bring aboard like minded academic school's who made the jump to d3, and hedge the scac's future given depauw probably leaves for the ncac next summer and CC seems to be? its whole athletic program, not to mention they have the worst travel for other scac school's...so i would think the scac would be back to 12 members, which is more manageable,  for the 2010-11 academic year, ie add centenary and berry this year and have depauw and cc most likely leave the next. As for centenary, the school is just too small and lacking the $'s to be in d1, can't make any comparison to tulane or rice. The only comparison might be wofford but they have a good academic/geographic league to be a member in at the d1 level and an NFL team/owner to fund some of their expenses.  Not surprising the coaches or athletes want to stay in d1 though, i would think d1 brings higher pay for the coaches and no hassle scholarships for athletes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 04, 2009, 01:17:14 PM
Let's see, under 1000 students, and the NCAA allows this many athletic scholarships:

Baseball  - 11.7
Basketball (M/W) - 13/15
CC/T&F (M/W) - 12.6/18
Golf (M/W) - 4.5/6
Gymnastics (W) - 12
Soccer (M/W) - 9.9/14
Softball - 13
Swimming (M/W) - 9.9/14
Tennis (M/W) - 4.5/8
Volleyball (W) - 12

total scholarships possible = 107.9 (men) / 112 (women) = 229.9 total = ~25% of Centenary's undergrad enrollment.  Yeah, that makes sense. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on June 04, 2009, 01:29:45 PM
Were it my decision, I'd start with a Field Turf upgrade for EM Stevens.  In addressing the stands on the home side, I'd look for some sort of retractible shade covering for the hot west sun, especially since we have all those 1:30 starts.  Our visiting crowds are generally sparse.  I'd probably at least put in a bathroom at one end of the visiting stands.  Home stands bathrooms could use some attention (assuming that the womens, which I have NOT seen, is in the same condition as the mens). 

I'd also put in a really nice riser over the pressbox for both teams to have film crews nice and high.  Press box could use some elevation as if I'm sitting on the top row and stand up, the guys in the booth can't see.  :)  I do block the sun somewhat however.

EM Stevens does invoke a bit of "historic" feel to you when you walk in. 

On my silly wishlist would be a jumbotron scoreboard.  Not likely, but a scoreboard general upgrade would be nice. 

One of TU's toughest recruiting issues is the field.  Coach Mohr does a good job of preparing recruits for it before they see it.  Honesty does go a long way.  But, most of these TX kids have been playing in front of 10,000+ fans in some damn nice stadiums in HS. 

That's about it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank uible on June 04, 2009, 01:57:08 PM
Centenary, bring back Cal Hubbard.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 04, 2009, 03:26:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 04, 2009, 10:06:43 AM
Interesting that, of the two D3 conferences Centenary is exploring, the article only mentions the ASC.  You'd think the second conference would be the SCAC, but perhaps the SCAC isn't interested in expanding at this point (unless CC decides to move to D2; no doubt a football-playing school would be preferred but with a program starting at Hendrix in a couple of years it's not that much of a requirement).

Centenary is a member of the Associated Colleges of the South; eight other ACS members are SCAC members.  Birmingham-Southern, which as we all know made a similar move three years ago, is one of them.   
Here is another way that Centenary can do this.

They must give the Summit League two years notice.  The Summit League may not mind not traveling to Shreveport, and so that won't be too much of a problem.

(Summit League --That takes it to 2011-12.  The exploratory year must occur somewhere in the re-classifying.  Did BSC go thru that?)

Centenary is way off from joining D-III.  The 7-team ASC-East could fit them into a schedule muy pronto.

New Centenary president Dr Rowe is on the fast track.  The $65M campaign at LaGrange is impressive.

When the SCAC is ready to add Centenary, I think that it is a done deal.

(They can join the ASC anytime!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 04, 2009, 03:28:08 PM
QuoteCentenary, bring back Cal Hubbard.

How about The Chief, Robert Parrish?  Sorry, only guy I could think  of from Centenary... ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 04, 2009, 04:06:48 PM
Quote from: cush on June 04, 2009, 12:41:21 PM
Centenary does have an internal battle going on:

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090604/SPORTS02/906040303/1001/SPORTS

I think the scac should expand to 14 this summer with berry and centenary if willing...that would cut travel cost for scac members next year by playing more division games, bring aboard like minded academic school's who made the jump to d3, and hedge the scac's future given depauw probably leaves for the ncac next summer and CC seems to be? its whole athletic program, not to mention they have the worst travel for other scac school's...so i would think the scac would be back to 12 members, which is more manageable,  for the 2010-11 academic year, ie add centenary and berry this year and have depauw and cc most likely leave the next. As for centenary, the school is just too small and lacking the $'s to be in d1, can't make any comparison to tulane or rice. The only comparison might be wofford but they have a good academic/geographic league to be a member in at the d1 level and an NFL team/owner to fund some of their expenses.  Not surprising the coaches or athletes want to stay in d1 though, i would think d1 brings higher pay for the coaches and no hassle scholarships for athletes.
Thanks cush.

I went to the website and posted my comments as to why reality says there is no D1 option.

If you want to "recommend" my comments and the other "pro-D-III" comments,  then click on the link.

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20090604/SPORTS02/906040303&s=a#pluckcomments


Here are my comments...

QuoteI am a D-III fan and alum. Many of us D-III fans have wondered why has Centenary not made the move up to D-III before.

Fans are asking questions. Ron Boerger, a D-III fan and authority on D-III South Region football at D3football.com/ D3boards.com, calculated that Centenary could be offering 107.9 men's scholarships and another 112 for women. That approaches 25% of the Centenary student body. ($22000 tuition times 219 scholarships = $4.81Million) The other 75% of the students are paying for those athletic scholarships thru their own tuition.

The 2008 endowment figures released by NACUBO shows Centenary's endowment at around $120Million, before the crash.

"Down 20%?". Make $96Million. If you are drawing a generous 4% on the endowment, then that is less than $4M to fund what those endowment dollars were given to fund, like history professors and academic scholarships. Centenary's endowment doesn't cover athletics.

Why not D-III? More later.



QuoteCentenary is geographically isolated in the Summit League. (Fort Wayne IN?, Rochester MI?, Cedar City UT?, Brookings SD?)

They have had trouble with graduation rates in basketball and baseball, and the NCAA has called them on it.

Centenary's endowment is less than Texas D-III schools Hardin-Simmons, Austin College, Southwestern and Trinity.

Centenary's peer institutions are found at Associated Colleges of the South.

www.colleges.org .

There are 8 schools that are in D-III in the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference: Birmingham Southern (in the process of re-classifying from D-1 since 2006), Centre, Hendrix, Millsaps, Rhodes, Southwestern, Trinity & Sewanee (University of the South).

Another option is the American Southwest Conf. All but 1 of the 7 schools in the ASC-East Division are less than 210 miles away, a 3 hr drive. That means less missed classtime & travel expense.

Finally, Centenary has the option to add football in D-III.

D-III look like a real win!



QuoteD-I options?

The Sun Belt? There is no travel advantage in flying to Florida? Does the Sun Belt really want a non-football school when they are fighting a BCS battle?

The Southland Conference? UT-San Antonio, UT-Arlington, Texas State, Lamar, McNeese State?
Why was Centenary not in this conference before? Does the Southland Conference really want a non-football member, with UT-San Antonio and Lamar University adding football and UT-Arlington exploring it. Those are big state schools.

Conference-USA? -- No football.

As much as Centenary may want to continue the D-1 dream, the economy is not permitting it.

I feel sorry for the coaching staff that has tried to accomplish so much with so little, but it just doesn't look like it can continue this way.

To this outsider, the handwriting is on the wall. CC fans may want D-I, but there does not seem to be a D-1 home for Centenary.

And the CC Board will reluctantly need to make the tough decision to join D-III in the fall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 04, 2009, 06:37:08 PM
Geez Ralph, calling me an "authority" is pretty much putting lipstick on a pig.   The numbers came from a Petersen's web site (http://www.petersons.com/education_planner/paying_article.asp?sponsor=2859&articleName=NCAA_Scholarship_Limits), btw.   It's highly unlikely Centenary awards all of those, but you'd think it would be a good chunk.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 04, 2009, 09:58:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 04, 2009, 06:37:08 PM
Geez Ralph, calling me an "authority" is pretty much putting lipstick on a pig.   The numbers came from a Petersen's web site (http://www.petersons.com/education_planner/paying_article.asp?sponsor=2859&articleName=NCAA_Scholarship_Limits), btw.   It's highly unlikely Centenary awards all of those, but you'd think it would be a good chunk.

Gotta give attribution to the source of my statement.    :)  It is not for me to clarify how much they are underfunding their athletic programs.

If it brings new posters to the sight, then they will understand how much you are respected.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2009, 10:23:49 AM
Jimmy Watson is a sports columnist for the Shreveport Times.

Here is his column for today about the Centenary situation.  IMHO, it is more of the same that we saw from the Birmingham-Southern move in 2006, except BSC was experiencing more success in D-1 than Centenary currently is.

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090605/SPORTS02/906050309/1001/SPORTS

Enjoy, and comment if you wish.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 05, 2009, 10:39:20 AM
There's a story on the Millsaps website about Juan Joseph at CFL training camp.  At the bottom of the story is a link to a 4 minutes video that is mostly an interview of Juan with a few passing drill plays included in the mix.

Link:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/6/4/FB_0604090646.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 05, 2009, 11:39:26 AM
Holy smokes,  i would hate to be that visionforgrowth , in the comments section, person's dog...talk about hostile. Centenary is getting smoked at the d1 level on the athletic field and considering they a have $'s problems can't even afford to compete. The profile of the school is clearly d3 and if they could start a football program, they could attract students and offer something for the alumni/community  to rally around considering football is a religion in the south. The bigger theme is for d3 to expand across the south with school's like centenary joining up to reduce such attitudes ...still waiting on emory football but you will probably see pepsi vending machines on its campus before that happens. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 05, 2009, 04:59:01 PM
If I may put in my $.02 on the Trinity Athletics facilities and EM Stevens commentary ...

Trinity's athletic facilities, in general, are playable, but certainly inferior to most Texas 5A thru at least 3A high school facilities ... most noticeably, the antiquated EM Stevens football stadium.  In 1970, it may have been acceptable, folks, but my son played in many high school playoff games at FAR superior high school fields.  The grass field is playable and generally in good condition, but laughable when compared to almost every SCAC field ... and yes, I've been to almost every one. 

Early arriving fans will find a few open parking places in the nearby parking garage, but those later must fend for themselves ... NO university directional signs or attendants will assist the unfamiliar or late-comers.  I've frequently had to park 8-10 blocks away in neighborhoods rife with "NO PARKING" signs. Not exactly welcoming, even when compared to ANY "tiny" high school stadium in the state of Texas.

The home stands on the NW side are hot, uncomfortable, and unshaded except for very late afternoon games ... not to mention the very low seating capacity ... I would estimate no more than 2500 (if that).  Restroom facilities are dungeon-like.  The sound system is A JOKE, period.  It BLASTS the home crowd and the visitors simply cannot hear it at all.  One would think that a 2009 Best in the West (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/items/3647) university could overcome the engineering challenge of "decibels" and "acoustics" ...  :-\

For the visiting fans, the newer aluminum bleachers on the SE side offer hundreds of seats to the few stragglers who bother to follow their teams from all corners of the USA ... to their dismay, they must suffer unbearable heat looking directly into the sun, especially in the three hours before sundown.  Older folks, young children or the frail in health should just stay home.  Combine that with NO restroom or concession stand facilities on their side and you have a guarantee of discomfort for all visiting fans.  Oh, sorry ... feel free to walk your butts all the way into "the Bell Center behind you" to potty and on your way back, stop by the folding card table for a delicious bottle of lukewarm icewater from Aramark.

The pressbox does provide the only shade to home spectators at early afternoon games and that not until halftime ... and only for the top 4-5 rows in the center section.  Seating capacity in the un-air-conditioned pressbox is less than 10 and unsuitable for radio or video broadcast.  Film crews must climb up a dangerous ladder and stand outdoors on top of the pressbox in the blazing sun ... or bring your own awning.  Appalling.  Seriously, folks, this is South Texas where it's > 90°F at kickoff time for all games until late October.  Perhaps that's why few students and NO San Antonio residents ever attend.  Parents, family and friends of players make up the typical crowd of 500-700 attendees ... I've counted them myself just for curiosity's sake.

EM Stevens Stadium renovations have been reported for at least the past five years, but no firm plans or schedule have been revealed.  I've heard talk of building a new stadium seating on the visitor's side and pushing the visitors to the old home side.  Add a high-tech "bridge" over the road or close it off completely ... either way, that would put visitors in more comfort (in the afternoon shade) and relegate the home crowd to the blazing Texas afternoon sun.  If that happens, it would be just plain stupid.  Any architect worth his/her salt should be able to use the on-campus stadium space to create a pleasant atmosphere for players and fans of both participating teams.  Or just don't do it, y'all.

Unfortunately, all this talk will mean little to me and my family ... this will be our last season of Trinity Tiger football.  Seriously, it's been a wonderful experience for us and I wouldn't trade it for any Field Turf stadium with reclining, rocking chair seating with a Bose sound system in the shade.  TU has a perpetual winning football program and it's been a blast to watch it for four years so far.  My son has made life-long friends on the team and enjoyed tremendous success in the classroom and on the field fo play.  It's just too bad the facilities are a detriment rather than an enhancement ... Trinity is such a fine university and should have enough pride to upgrade EM Stevens to a world- (or at least state-) class level. 

I applaud Coach Mohr and his staff for continuing to recruit excellent students who also play a darn good game of football ... each year their jobs grow more difficult as TU admission standards rise.  With UTSA and Incarnate Word starting up football programs in San Antonio in the next 2 years, I expect their efforts to reap fewer rewards.  More Texas high school football players will choose better facilities and athletic scholarships despite the history of winning at Trinity.  Though TU is "Best in Texas (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/BestTX08.pdf)" and "Second in D3 (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/BestDIII08.pdf)" in recent years, I daresay that will be difficult to maintain against UMHB, Hardin-Simmons, and the new SA programs without better support from the administration.  Perhaps the next TU president can prioritize differently.  Or not.  Too bad SA's Tom Benson was not a Trinity alum ... I understand UIW's new stadium is terrific.

There ... I said it and I'm not sorry I did, though I apologize in advance to any TU parents, alumni or friends that I may offend by my candor.  Guess that was more than 2 cents!   ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2009, 05:35:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2009, 10:23:49 AM
Jimmy Watson is a sports columnist for the Shreveport Times.

Here is his column for today about the Centenary situation.  IMHO, it is more of the same that we saw from the Birmingham-Southern move in 2006, except BSC was experiencing more success in D-1 than Centenary currently is.

http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090605/SPORTS02/906050309/1001/SPORTS

Enjoy, and comment if you wish.   ;)

Hmm, according to Mr. Watson's article:

"[ ...] student-athletes [...] make up more than 30 percent of the student population."

Talk about a tail wagging a dog. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fico on June 05, 2009, 05:56:01 PM
I agree with everything you said TigerDad, as a player we almost always skipped over showing recruits the field as it is an embarrassment.

It would not be that difficult to make the stadium a much more respectable place.  The seating capacity is fine, if they enclosed the visitor bleachers in a matching brick with the rest of the campus, upgraded the press box, and concession/bathrooms and covered both bleacher with an awning similar to Mt.Union  it would be a very nice place to watch a game.


The Prassel Lawn would make a great tailgating area if the administration would allow it, several schools in the conference not only allow it but they encourage it.  Their "student section" is always filled and loud... while our trickles in through half time and leaves early to start the post game festivities.  Also part of the reason very few locals show up to games I believe is because few know they are even going on there is no outreach to local media promoting games, ect... other than the post game interviews.  Hell UMHB has a billboard on the 35, you cannot tell me that they can afford something like that and we cannot.

While I loved playing on natural grass more than anything I think they should move to field turf which would allow the team to practice on the field instead of tear up the baseball field.  They have already done this on the intramural field, clearly the administration has the athletic departments best interests in mind. ::)

While I attended we always talked about ripping the tennis courts up across the street from the stadium up, in front of North and South dormitories, and replacing that area with a two level garage which would increase parking greatly and would not interfere with any views from the balconies of aforementioned dorms.

There are several steps the university could take to upgrade the facilities and the atmosphere at games, here is to hoping the new administration has a more favorable outlook on athletics.  Trinity, with its academic standards continually on the rise, needs to be able to attract every quality player that can gain acceptance to the school.  Trinity cannot afford to lose kids to UMHB and HSU, due poor facilities and recent playoff success.  The pool of academically qualified players is so small; the only players Trinity should be losing are to programs of a higher division.  Trinity should not lose any qualified prospects to the likes of UMHB and HSU, there simply are not enough bodies to be brought in anymore.  Thus, Trinity needs an edge in every aspect of the program, and facilities are a huge black eye in this area.

Having said all that, and experiencing it all, including the weight room before the remodel, playing football at Trinity was the most enjoyable experience, to date, in my young life, and I would not  trade it for anything.




Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on June 05, 2009, 06:42:21 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on June 05, 2009, 10:39:20 AM
There's a story on the Millsaps website about Juan Joseph at CFL training camp.  At the bottom of the story is a link to a 4 minutes video that is mostly an interview of Juan with a few passing drill plays included in the mix.

Link:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/6/4/FB_0604090646.aspx


I, for one, am happy to see him graduate!  I hope he does well. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on June 05, 2009, 06:47:48 PM
TIgerDad, well said on the facilities.

I had planned on buying a little RV when my son hit TU, only to find out there's no where I could expect to park it on campus.

I had some good conversations with Todd Graham when he coached that year at Rice.  The lack of support he got from the university in monetary terms was incredible.  Football was a very low priority for them. 

On outward appearances, I'd say it's a low priority for TU as well.  I can only imagine how difficult it is to recruit for this staff.  If any improvements were to be made before this upcoming season, they'd have had to be started already.  So, I'm not holding my breath.  Maybe we'll see something in 2010. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 05, 2009, 07:41:15 PM
QuoteI, for one, am happy to see him graduate!  I hope he does well. 

I agree...but wish him well. Very talented player...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 05, 2009, 09:24:58 PM
TigerDad,

Outstanding post.  I've visited from Dallas three times for night games early in the season.  You describe the experience perfectly.

There are good facilities in the gym area behind the visitors stands.  Also, I've been allowed to participate in the school picnic they have before the first game.  So, from my point of view,  the fans are great. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 07, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
I know that many of you are very close to DIII and these SCAC programs and their history and I very much appreciate your insight and opinions. As you know I am not a long time D3'er and don't have a depth of experience and knowledge from which to draw this remark, but that usually does not stop me.

Early on I too wrestled with the participation, facilities, support and funding questions - like most probably do. My impression is that the recent converstations on the board and the Colorado College situation are a reflection of 1) one of the statements in the NCAA Division III Philosophy that institutions should "support student-athletes... by providing adequate facilities, competent coaching and appropriate competitive opportunities {I have seen all but three of the SCAC football sites and would say that they are at least adequate. Also note that other areas of published DIII postions almost de-emphasize "the fan"}, and 2) the oversaturization of the D1 experience in our various sports media.

I found it easier to accept the differences when I came to realize how "satisfied" the student-athletes seemed to be with their DIII experience rather than spending too much energy on mine.

I'm sure I cannot begin to understand how difficult it must be to operate these athletics programs in the current financial climate and I absolutely am not in a position to be able to provide signifigant monetary assistance. Over the years I have learned that "things could always be better, but things could always be worse too."

So I try to keep in mind that even though it is not the big-time, these young people will still be able to take life long lessons and experiences with them as a result of their DIII athletics days. And I will long be grateful for the opportunities they have found.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on June 07, 2009, 11:12:57 PM
With the stock market taking a dump this year, endowments are hurting pretty badly.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fico on June 08, 2009, 10:59:49 AM
I would like to see what the endowment looks like currently, not too long ago it was a smidgen under $1B.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 08, 2009, 12:03:04 PM
Quote from: rooski on June 07, 2009, 02:00:10 PM
I found it easier to accept the differences when I came to realize how "satisfied" the student-athletes seemed to be with their DIII experience rather than spending too much energy on mine.

So I try to keep in mind that even though it is not the big-time, these young people will still be able to take life long lessons and experiences with them as a result of their DIII athletics days. And I will long be grateful for the opportunities they have found.

rooski ... first of all, "+1k" for your thoughtful post.  I applaud you for taking the right attitude about D3 football and for supporting your student-athletes.  Well done.

I would only follow up my earlier posting by re-emphasizing that the university politics and maneuvering for funds completely escape my interest, attention or understanding.  I know the problems exist, but I am disinterested except when my son and his teammates are affected.  As with other SCAC football programs, the Trinity athletes are without exception the finest group of young men with whom I have ever been associated.  Clearly they do not resemble the typical D1 athlete, nor should they.  I would only like them to enjoy the experience as much as possible.  Playing on a crappy football field does not affect their ability to perform or enjoy the camaraderie of their mates.  It just makes me feel like they're being cheated when compared to the university's other facilities and priorities.  In particular, Trinity University's $1B (yes, that's BILLION DOLLAR) endowment does not match up with a football field that is typical of a Texas Class 1A (smallest school division) high school facilities.  EM Stevens is not significantly different from Comanche Stadium in beautiful Shiner, Texas.

We are all on the same page here ... I support D3's philosophy and motives and I am proud that my son has excelled on the field and in the classroom.  I don't think he would be happier or better if the football field was nicer.  Frankly, I don't think he cares a bit.  But I do think the future success of TU football depends upon recruiting ... which depends, to some degree, upon the impression given by the character of coaches, the players, their record, and the facilities.  IMHO, TU's got three out of four.

As "Fico" wrote last week, no TU recruit would look at EM Stevens and say "Wow, I can't wait to play on that field!"  No visiting fan would say, "Wow, I can't wait to come back to TU for a game.  What a great place!".  And yet, San Antonio is a GREAT town to visit, the folks at TU are A-Number-One, and Trinity has one of the best football programs in Division III.

I'd just like to see TU step it up a notch.   OK, I'm done now.  8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on June 08, 2009, 12:32:42 PM
I'm curious Trinity fans, would you rather the team practice on EM Stevens and then play its game on one of the nicer high school stadiums in San Antonio?

As a fan of UMHB, I am not sure what would be better playing on a relatively nice high school field (as we do now) or a not as good option on campus. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 08, 2009, 01:12:26 PM
Quote from: crufootball on June 08, 2009, 12:32:42 PM
I'm curious Trinity fans, would you rather the team practice on EM Stevens and then play its game on one of the nicer high school stadiums in San Antonio?

As a fan of UMHB, I am not sure what would be better playing on a relatively nice high school field (as we do now) or a not as good option on campus. 
I am an outsider who has been to both sites more than once.  I think, on balance, I go for on campus games.  That makes it more a part of the whole college experience for all students.  The recent UMHB success in winning may hide this, since winning brings a good feeling.  But, long term,  on campus seems better to me. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2009, 03:48:48 PM
On-campus.  Hard enough to get students to attend when it's convenient, if it's elsewhere Trinity students just won't come.  The 'nice field' across the street is way too large (plus Trinity doesn't get along all that well with the SAISD), the others are too far away.  Maybe Alamo Heights' stadium would work, it's not too far, but still don't see students going there.

What's odd is that the without question the other TU sports facilities are immaculate.  For crying out loud, they even put in FieldTurf on one of the intramural fields last year.   For whatever reason, tho, EM Stevens has been stuck in the '80s while everything else has been upgraded.   If you want to encourage football players to attend, you need to show them that they're as important as the other student-athletes - sadly, appearances are that's not the case.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on June 08, 2009, 09:26:41 PM
Ron, I gotta tell you.  I was shocked they put field turf on the intramural field before the football stadium.  I can only assume some donor specified it.  At least I hope so.  Recruiting D-3 is hard enough with academic standards and lack of athletic scholies.  At least give your coaches an even playing field when it comes to facilities and recruiting.  When you walk into the Bell Center, it's as nice a facility as many of the D-1 programs we visited a couple of years ago.  Then you walk over to EM St. and it is a night and day difference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2009, 09:34:13 PM
The ASC actually has a "mole" in the Trinity Administration that is working to sabotage the efforts of the Trinity football team.  Keeping EM Stevens untouched for years has been a mounmental success of this covert operation.  The operative has risked livelihood and reputation to keep this activity going for these many years.

The current challenge is to maintain the covert funding of this activity during the economic downturn.   ;)     ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 09, 2009, 10:18:44 AM
Ralph ... +1k ... that was a good one.   ;D

(All along, I thought the mole was YOU.) 

Hope to see you in Abilene on Sep 5th!  Will need some recommendations for food and lodging for the Trinity faithful who will be heading north for the season opener.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on June 09, 2009, 12:11:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2009, 03:48:48 PM
On-campus.  Hard enough to get students to attend when it's convenient, if it's elsewhere Trinity students just won't come.  The 'nice field' across the street is way too large (plus Trinity doesn't get along all that well with the SAISD), the others are too far away.  Maybe Alamo Heights' stadium would work, it's not too far, but still don't see students going there.

What's odd is that the without question the other TU sports facilities are immaculate.  For crying out loud, they even put in FieldTurf on one of the intramural fields last year.   For whatever reason, tho, EM Stevens has been stuck in the '80s while everything else has been upgraded.   If you want to encourage football players to attend, you need to show them that they're as important as the other student-athletes - sadly, appearances are that's not the case.   

I assumed most peole would say that an on campus field is the better option and I completely agree. Even though Tiger Field is a good alternative for the Cru (which is why we won't be getting a field for sometime), every time I go to an away game I am jealous of schools with its on field.   

Another question is were the students or community moresupportive when the team was doing better?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 09, 2009, 01:11:59 PM
An on campus field gives strangers to the campus a feel for the school.  It may help recruit even non students in the long run..

Otherwise it becomes just a game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2009, 02:07:58 PM
Quote from: crufootball on June 09, 2009, 12:11:10 PMI assumed most peole would say that an on campus field is the better option and I completely agree. Even though Tiger Field is a good alternative for the Cru (which is why we won't be getting a field for sometime), every time I go to an away game I am jealous of schools with its on field.   

Another question is were the students or community moresupportive when the team was doing better?

San Antonio has never supported Trinity.  The home crowd is largely parents, friends, students and has remained relatively constant.  The home side fills up relatively quickly and that naturally constrains attendance.  The visitor side (which seats more people than the home side) bakes until late in the season.    The lack of on-site parking also contributes to the attendance situation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 09, 2009, 02:36:14 PM
QuoteSan Antonio has never supported Trinity.  The home crowd is largely parents, friends, students and has remained relatively constant.  The home side fills up relatively quickly and that naturally constrains attendance.  The visitor side (which seats more people than the home side) bakes until late in the season.    The lack of on-site parking also contributes to the attendance situation.

My DIII knowledge is pretty limited, but I'll bet that description of the Trinity home crowd (parents, friends, students) could be used for a bunch of schools.

It's interesting that with all the shortcomings that have been brought out in this thread (and most would seem to be spot on) the school has certainly fielded a quality product for a lot of years.

For me, the most striking thing on trips to San Antonio was the officiating.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2009, 02:51:50 PM
It may relate more to how Texas towns generally support football, DPUFan.   The other successful D3 schools in the state, located in smaller towns, see more support from the casual fan.   In an SMSA of 2 million+ football fanatics you'd expect more than a handful of locals to decide "hey, this is pretty cool, I'm going to watch." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 09, 2009, 03:03:01 PM
QuoteIt may relate more to how Texas towns generally support football, DPUFan.   The other successful D3 schools in the state, located in smaller towns, see more support from the casual fan.   In an SMSA of 2 million+ football fanatics you'd expect more than a handful of locals to decide "hey, this is pretty cool, I'm going to watch." 

Probably very true.

I will say that I was impressed last season by the crowd, facilities, apparent support, etc. at Austin College...they seem to be on the right track IMHO...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on June 09, 2009, 06:11:10 PM
My son and I were talking about some of this at lunch.   I don't want to take liberties with what he said, but we fans pay more attention to the facilities than the players do.   

We probably spent more time talking about the 40-50 parents, siblings and friends that make all the away games.  Apparently, we are quite a vocal bunch, making up in total volume what we don't have in terms of warm butts in the stands.  I guess those roving, wandering 40-50 fans mean a lot more than I previously had thought. 

Dang it, I can't wait for Game 1.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2009, 06:22:43 PM
I haven't been to Robinson stadium at MissColl, but I have seen TU, UMHB, HSU, HPU, SRSU, ETBU, Austin College and McMurry.

The "coolest" feature of any of those stadia is the covered "mezzanine" just beneath the press box at Jerry Apple Stadium at Austin College!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 10, 2009, 10:59:09 AM
QuoteMy son and I were talking about some of this at lunch.   I don't want to take liberties with what he said, but we fans pay more attention to the facilities than the players do.   

We probably spent more time talking about the 40-50 parents, siblings and friends that make all the away games.  Apparently, we are quite a vocal bunch, making up in total volume what we don't have in terms of warm butts in the stands.  I guess those roving, wandering 40-50 fans mean a lot more than I previously had thought. 

Dang it, I can't wait for Game 1.

Well said on all fronts.

QuoteThe "coolest" feature of any of those stadia is the covered "mezzanine" just beneath the press box at Jerry Apple Stadium at Austin College!

I didn't go inside, but the press box looks like one of the nicest in DII football!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 10, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
Ralph, that spot immediatey beneath the press box was a particularly attractive one last September when we hosted McMurry in the remnants of Hurricaine Ike...
                                                  +++++++
Honestly guys, there was a period of transition for me and our family to work through when we began attending the AC games in 2007. Expectations had to be adjusted. Not as much with the level of play, but with the "surroundings and trappings". Of course I came to see that this level of college athletics is very competitive {and my son has certainly never indicated any lack of talent or competitiveness in his opponents}, but also that it is very asthetically pleasing, just on a smaller scale.

One thing that really helped me was traveling and seeing a broader picture of DIII and the conference. Each site has it's own very distinct flavor and personality and really magnifies the experience. I sincerely invite each of you to come to Sherman for a game this season, and would like meet and to welcome you if I know you're coming. Heck, I'll even invite you to sit on the home side to avoid the "sun-in-the-face" heat of the visitors stands if you want. {D3DPUFan - that was a terrific college football game - anyone who likes football would have enjoyed it - I'm sorry I missed a chance to meet you.}

But I am eager to make another trip to Danville, then a first visit to Sewannee, Memphis and Greencastle. I just hope the games are as good as I know the greater experience will be. - Then after our senior seaon this fall I would even like to scope out some of the other Texas DIII's, just for the "added flavor".

But seriously. Y'all come see us this fall. I'll get you as many game tickets as you need!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 10, 2009, 03:29:58 PM
Pass the popcorn, seems this week's meeting has a lot on the menu:

http://www.laxmagazine.com/blogs/coyne/060809_scac


These sentences stuck out for me:

"There is angst among some of the SCAC presidents and athletic directors, especially those in the Southeast, regarding the budgeting necessities to compete in a league that stretches 1,400 miles."

"As drastic as it may seem, dismembering the SCAC is not implausible. In addition to the travel consequences, there is reportedly some internal consternation among the members regarding academic prestige."


My take, I would think travel would really hurt Oglethorpe, ie maybe the southeast school,  since they have the least $'s but not really sure what to make of the academic prestige comment since all the scac school's are pretty well regarded.  As for what to do, I would just expand to 14 with berry and either dallas or centenary to ease travel by creating larger divisions...maybe even go to 16 with some other school's before folding the league.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 10, 2009, 03:56:19 PM
[EDIT] Oglethorpe and [/EDIT] BSC are the most "southeast" schools.   

With re "academic prestige" ... what league would schools join that would align better?  The UAA wouldn't take any of the SCAC schools, and any other possibility could have WORSE travel issues for the remote schools.  We've talked about DePauw and the NCAC, but they're not going to want to take on a lot of other schools.   It would be interesting to know which schools are concerned about the "prestige" of the SCAC.   

CC could help by going D2.  UDallas would be a natural replacement and be a great travel partner for AC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 10, 2009, 06:11:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 10, 2009, 03:56:19 PM
[EDIT] Oglethorpe and [/EDIT] BSC are the most "southeast" schools.   

With re "academic prestige" ... what league would schools join that would align better?  The UAA wouldn't take any of the SCAC schools, and any other possibility could have WORSE travel issues for the remote schools.  We've talked about DePauw and the NCAC, but they're not going to want to take on a lot of other schools.   It would be interesting to know which schools are concerned about the "prestige" of the SCAC.   

CC could help by going D2.  UDallas would be a natural replacement and be a great travel partner for AC.
 
I agree Ron!

Colorado College may be best served by going D-II for geographic consideration and less school time missed, especially with the block scheduling, where students study one subject at the time.

Half of the schools in the D-II Rocky Mountain AC are on I-25 on the Front Range. Also, it is not that Colorado College has scruples about scholarship athletics (D-1 men's ice hockey and women's soccer).

Having read the article, I think that the SCAC and the ASC need to bring forth legislation that permits full conferences having 7-member divisions to gain the AQ in those sports in which there are 7-members after 2 consecutive years and keep multiple AQ's as long as the threshold of 7 in each is kept.  If a division fell below 7-members then the conference would preserve one AQ bid for the division that fell short.

In a large conference such as ours (SCAC and ASC) the conference could have the single AQ in sports like football and lacrosse where there is not enough participation for two AQ's.

I wonder if this report is timed to SCAC Presidents' meeting.  If so, I would like to have the the writer's sources.   ;)

As for academic prestige, which schools in the East do they not want?  Huntingdon?  LaGrange? Piedmont?  Maryville TN?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 11, 2009, 01:04:14 AM
Quote from: rooski on June 10, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
One thing that really helped me was traveling and seeing a broader picture of DIII and the conference. Each site has it's own very distinct flavor and personality and really magnifies the experience.

But seriously. Y'all come see us this fall. I'll get you as many game tickets as you need!
Great point.

I get my tickets from the scalper at the west parking lot.  But there is never anyone to take them at the gate.  This year I plan to sneak in. :-[

The one improvement to your field would be to put the scoreboard at the west end.  The sun hides the score and time.  Otherwise it is pretty good. :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 11, 2009, 09:09:02 AM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 11, 2009, 01:04:14 AM
Quote from: rooski on June 10, 2009, 01:34:23 PM
One thing that really helped me was traveling and seeing a broader picture of DIII and the conference. Each site has it's own very distinct flavor and personality and really magnifies the experience.

But seriously. Y'all come see us this fall. I'll get you as many game tickets as you need!
Great point.

I get my tickets from the scalper at the west parking lot.  But there is never anyone to take them at the gate.  This year I plan to sneak in. :-[

The one improvement to your field would be to put the scoreboard at the west end.  The sun hides the score and time.  Otherwise it is pretty good. :P

I wondered if the ticket offer would get a rise from anyone. I hear that scalper will be asking double the face value this fall ;).

Honestly, for those who have not been to Sherman - there is no ticket needed for our home football  games....

I agree about the difficulty reading the scoreboard. A move probably would help.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 11, 2009, 09:35:53 AM
If you have a chance to go to Sherman, go (scoreboard or no).  It's a very nice facility for D3 and the press box is also quite nice.  I'll miss going up there since I don't live in McKinney any more. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 11, 2009, 09:39:33 AM
QuoteIf you have a chance to go to Sherman, go (scoreboard or no).  It's a very nice facility for D3 and the press box is also quite nice.  I'll miss going up there since I don't live in McKinney any more. 

I was also impressed by the size of the crowd how much they were into the game...also were very friendly...nice experience.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on June 11, 2009, 12:15:15 PM
From another Roo fan ---

Thanks for all the accolades about Apple Stadium!  Add to that an improving football team and and it is an exceptional deal for the money!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 11, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
rooski;

I will double your offer ... anyone headed to Trinity University for a home football game at glorious EM Stevens Field, contact me at least 5 minutes in advance and I will get you two tickets for the price of one.  I'll leave them at the "will call" window.  Bring your darkest sunglasses to hide your identity.

;D

P.S.  I have used that story on some hometown folks headed to a Trinity game.  At least I get a kick out of it!  The folks at the snack bar concession stand do not get the joke at all.  :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 11, 2009, 07:30:45 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 11, 2009, 12:17:39 PM
rooski;

I will double your offer ... anyone headed to Trinity University for a home football game at glorious EM Stevens Field, contact me at least 5 minutes in advance and I will get you two tickets for the price of one.

IF YOU CALL RIGHT NOW, I'LL DOUBLE THE OFFER!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fyaknowhat.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2009%2F05%2Fbilly-mays1.jpg&hash=84afcc744e873fbfa70dbb412ac0f72356536a4f)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 11, 2009, 07:41:23 PM
Any news from the SCAC Presidents' meeting today?

How was the Centenary presentation?

Were there any other guests (e.g., Berry?) at the meeting?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 12, 2009, 09:56:16 AM
Maybe you should send a note to the writer of that Lacrosse article, Ralph.  He seems to have better inside info than anyone here!   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 14, 2009, 05:38:13 PM
While it doesn't involve football, my biggest hope about the President's meeting this week is that maybe they reversed that terrible decision to cut back the SCAC Championship tournaments to just semi-finals and finals.  It will be such an injustice imposed by the SCAC Presidents on the SCAC student-athletes if that decision stays in place.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2009, 02:24:23 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on June 14, 2009, 05:38:13 PM
While it doesn't involve football, my biggest hope about the President's meeting this week is that maybe they reversed that terrible decision to cut back the SCAC Championship tournaments to just semi-finals and finals.  It will be such an injustice imposed by the SCAC Presidents on the SCAC student-athletes if that decision stays in place.

Sadly, Frank, with economic pressures being what they are I can't imagine this even being on their radar.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 15, 2009, 04:35:03 PM
I believe what might be on the radar is looking at other ways to save money that don't involve having teams eliminated from the conference championship at mid-season, and maybe the majority of teams out of the race with a few weeks to go in the season.  I believe that's whats on the radar of the coaches, AD's, and players and hopefully they made a strong argument to the SCAC Presidents about this. 

In all honesty, I have little hope that the presidents would reverse their decision even if a very strong case was made for a better way to do things.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on June 15, 2009, 08:37:22 PM
Frank - For what this is worth, a couple of months ago I was talking to one of the conference coaches who coaches a sport that is affected by the reduction in championship tournament teams.  This coach was recruiting one of my kids to play starting next season, so we visited for several hours.

The championship tourney reduction came up in the conversation and the coach expressed some belief that it would be changed at the president's meeting.  I don't remember exactly how it was phrased, but I'd say it was expressed as something stronger than hope and weaker than expectation, more toward the expectation end of the scale.

It left me with the idea that the coach believed it would be changed back to the way it has been.  Didn't say what the source of this belief was.

Guess we'll find out one of these days.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2009, 08:58:14 PM
Welcome Tennessee Papa!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on June 15, 2009, 09:20:42 PM
Thank you, sir.  Happy to be here and excited to see what the next few years brings for my child.

Been lurking and reading the board on occasion for the last six months or so and have been impressed with the knowledge y'all have and also with the tone of the discourse.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 16, 2009, 12:37:08 PM
Thanks for that input Tenneessee_papa, and welcome to the board.

Here's a Millsaps story that I gladly post.  It was about a year ago that a post was made here about Juan Joseph.  It was more of a thinking out loud post where someone wondered about the academic qualifications of Juan Joseph attending Millsaps because of the high school he attended and I guess the standards at that school.  Here's a recent story from the Millsaps website:

IRVING, Texas -- In recognition of their accomplishments in the classroom and on the playing field, recent football graduates Nick Namias and Juan Joseph of Millsaps College have been inducted into the Third Annual class of the National Football Foundation's Hampshire Honor Society.

For 62 years, the NFF has honored the best and brightest that intercollegiate football has to offer.....


Complete story:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/6/15/FB_0615090108.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 16, 2009, 05:54:21 PM
QuoteThanks for that input Tenneessee_papa, and welcome to the board.

Here's a Millsaps story that I gladly post.  It was about a year ago that a post was made here about Juan Joseph.  It was more of a thinking out loud post where someone wondered about the academic qualifications of Juan Joseph attending Millsaps because of the high school he attended and I guess the standards at that school.  Here's a recent story from the Millsaps website:

IRVING, Texas -- In recognition of their accomplishments in the classroom and on the playing field, recent football graduates Nick Namias and Juan Joseph of Millsaps College have been inducted into the Third Annual class of the National Football Foundation's Hampshire Honor Society.

For 62 years, the NFF has honored the best and brightest that intercollegiate football has to offer.....


Complete story:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/6/15/FB_0615090108.aspx


Frank,
That is indeed an honor. Sometimes perception becomes reality. Nice of you to post the link to provide a reality check.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 16, 2009, 06:05:27 PM
Congratulations to not only Namais and Joseph, but the other SCAC athletes to receive this award (http://www.footballfoundation.com/news.php?id=1910):

Neil Murphy - Centre
Billy Blaustein - Colorado College
Michael McNelis - DePauw
Tyler Brantley - Sewanee
Chima Ikwuezunma - Sewanee
Ben Scott - Sewanee


"[T]he 2009 NFF Hampshire Honor Society [...] is comprised of college football players from all divisions of play who each maintained a 3.2 GPA or better.  A total of 564 players from 266 schools qualified for membership in the society's third year."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 16, 2009, 06:10:48 PM
A sad note:  NCAC commissioner Dennis Collins died of a heart attack this past Sunday (http://www.d3football.com/notables.php).     He had been the league's commissioner since it was founded in 1984.   

With the discussion of DPU possibly going to the NCAC, I felt this would be of interest to at least some here - my condolences to all those in the NCAC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 16, 2009, 07:34:44 PM

For those with a CFB jones as the summer drags along, ESPN's College Football Live is doing a 50 States in 50 Days Tour....some pretty cool coverage of all things college football, state by state. Would hope that the Monon Bell rivalry will garner more than a brief mention when Indiana is featured July 13  :).

Here's a link to the complete list:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sportsnation/news/story?page=50StatesTour
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 16, 2009, 07:38:51 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

QuoteCongratulations to not only Namais and Joseph, but the other SCAC athletes to receive this award:

Neil Murphy - Centre
Billy Blaustein - Colorado College
Michael McNelis - DePauw
Tyler Brantley - Sewanee
Chima Ikwuezunma - Sewanee
Ben Scott - Sewanee

Ron---
You beat me to mentioning Mike McNelis...standout in the classroom and on the field. As a player he was a bit undersized...but was a ferocious competitor who never quit on a play...made him a real leader of the defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 19, 2009, 04:09:02 PM
Final NACDA Directors' Cup standings (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/D3June19.pdf) are out.  Not a great year for the SCAC, but here they are:

27. Trinity (485.75)
39. DePauw (366.85)
T117.  Oglethorpe (164.00)
T130.  Centre (150.00)
T134.  Southwestern (144.00)
T164.  Millsaps (103.00)
T237.  Colorado College (50.00)
T276.  Hendrix (25.00)
T276.  Rhodes (25.00)
T276.  Sewanee (25.00)

Austin did not score any points; Birmingham-Southern was ineligible. 

DePauw faithful will be overjoyed to hear that Wabash finished T234 (53.00).   No doubt the Monon Bell beating cast a pall on the entire athletic season at Wallyland.   ;)

For our friends from the ASC, UT-Tyler led the way (after a VERY strong spring) at 33rd (394.00).   UTT scored 344 of their total in spring sports. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 19, 2009, 05:07:59 PM
QuoteDePauw faithful will be overjoyed to hear that Wabash finished T234 (53.00).   No doubt the Monon Bell beating cast a pall on the entire athletic season at Wallyland.   

The gift that keeps on giving.  ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on June 19, 2009, 05:40:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 19, 2009, 04:09:02 PM
DePauw faithful will be overjoyed to hear that Wabash finished T234 (53.00). 

Beating Wabash in the Director's Cup is like beating a one-legged man in a footrace.  It's a pretty empty victory.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 19, 2009, 08:14:54 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on June 19, 2009, 05:40:19 PM
Beating Wabash in the Director's Cup is like beating a one-legged man in a footrace.  It's a pretty empty victory.   :)

Win is a win is a win. 

Beat Wabash, you say?  Done and done. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 19, 2009, 10:49:14 PM
QuoteBeating Wabash in the Director's Cup is like beating a one-legged man in a footrace.  It's a pretty empty victory.   

You mean kinda like playing Wabash's football schedule?  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 20, 2009, 07:38:09 AM
I try to check the Millsaps website periodically for the little tidbits of news that pop up over the summer.  Today I was surprised to see the 2009 football preview.  Like last year, there's no mention of players who will be new to the program, just a summary of players who graduated and those who will be returning, along with a mention of the coaching changes.  Let's just say that Millsaps has A LOT of talent to replace after the 2008 season:

Millsaps 2009 football preview:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/6/14/FB_0614092146.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on June 20, 2009, 12:19:43 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on June 19, 2009, 10:49:14 PM
QuoteBeating Wabash in the Director's Cup is like beating a one-legged man in a footrace.  It's a pretty empty victory.   

You mean kinda like playing Wabash's football schedule?  :D


Actually, no.  In fact, that doesn't even make sense in this particular context.  What I mean here is that whereas Wabash can not score points in any of the women's events that make up half of the Director's Cup possible points, Wabash is never going to score very high.  It hurts that I just had to explain that.  Way to sap the fun out of this little back and forth.   :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 20, 2009, 06:02:39 PM
Quote from: Tenneessee_papa on June 15, 2009, 09:20:42 PM
Thank you, sir.  Happy to be here and excited to see what the next few years brings for my child.

Been lurking and reading the board on occasion for the last six months or so and have been impressed with the knowledge y'all have and also with the tone of the discourse.

Welcome indeed, "T. Pa"!! Good to have another "pa" on board. Don't be a stranger...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 22, 2009, 08:50:47 AM
Thanks for the link to the Millsaps season preview, frank.  Very nicely done ... my compliments to the Millsaps SID and staff.  They obviously have their act together to publish in June!

I believe the Trinity 2009 season preview will be online around mid-October   ;)

Later this summer, I will be looking forward to reading the annual D3Football "Kickoff"!  And, of course, Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine's annual expert analysis of "Small Colleges" football.  Out of 300+ pages, Trinity usually scores about two paragraphs.  I'll bet the yet-to-play-a-game Incarnate Word Cardinals will get their own section and a photo or two of their brand-new multi-million-dollar stadium.  Wonder if they'll have Field Turf?!

As Rodney Dangerfield used to say, "I tell ya, I get no respect."   :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2009, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 22, 2009, 08:50:47 AM
Thanks for the link to the Millsaps season preview, frank.  Very nicely done ... my compliments to the Millsaps SID and staff.  They obviously have their act together to publish in June!

I believe the Trinity 2009 season preview will be online around mid-October   ;)

Later this summer, I will be looking forward to reading the annual D3Football "Kickoff"!  And, of course, Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine's annual expert analysis of "Small Colleges" football.  Out of 300+ pages, Trinity usually scores about two paragraphs.  I'll bet the yet-to-play-a-game Incarnate Word Cardinals will get their own section and a photo or two of their brand-new multi-million-dollar stadium.  Wonder if they'll have Field Turf?!

As Rodney Dangerfield used to say, "I tell ya, I get no respect."   :P
Sure, new program, new kid in town.   ;)

After a couple of seasons, then they will get the same amount of exposure as all of the other D-II's.

Isn't UIW moving to the Lone Star Conference as well? 

Trinity gets the same amount of write-up as the other D-III's.  That is why we buy KICKOFF 2009.

McMurry scores a headline in the ASC write-up by hiring Mumme.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on June 22, 2009, 11:42:08 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 22, 2009, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 22, 2009, 08:50:47 AM
Thanks for the link to the Millsaps season preview, frank.  Very nicely done ... my compliments to the Millsaps SID and staff.  They obviously have their act together to publish in June!

I believe the Trinity 2009 season preview will be online around mid-October   ;)

Later this summer, I will be looking forward to reading the annual D3Football "Kickoff"!  And, of course, Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine's annual expert analysis of "Small Colleges" football.  Out of 300+ pages, Trinity usually scores about two paragraphs.  I'll bet the yet-to-play-a-game Incarnate Word Cardinals will get their own section and a photo or two of their brand-new multi-million-dollar stadium.  Wonder if they'll have Field Turf?!

As Rodney Dangerfield used to say, "I tell ya, I get no respect."   :P
Sure, new program, new kid in town.   ;)

After a couple of seasons, then they will get the same amount of exposure as all of the other D-II's.

Isn't UIW moving to the Lone Star Conference as well? 

Trinity gets the same amount of write-up as the other D-III's.  That is why we buy KICKOFF 2009.

McMurry scores a headline in the ASC write-up by hiring Mumme.

UIW will play in the Lone Star Conference their 2nd or 3rd year.  Not an easy task in that conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 22, 2009, 06:15:22 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 22, 2009, 08:50:47 AM
Thanks for the link to the Millsaps season preview, frank.  Very nicely done ... my compliments to the Millsaps SID and staff.  They obviously have their act together to publish in June!

I believe the Trinity 2009 season preview will be online around mid-October   ;)

Later this summer, I will be looking forward to reading the annual D3Football "Kickoff"!  And, of course, Dave Campbell's Texas Football Magazine's annual expert analysis of "Small Colleges" football.  Out of 300+ pages, Trinity usually scores about two paragraphs.  I'll bet the yet-to-play-a-game Incarnate Word Cardinals will get their own section and a photo or two of their brand-new multi-million-dollar stadium.  Wonder if they'll have Field Turf?!

As Rodney Dangerfield used to say, "I tell ya, I get no respect."   :P

Agreed TigerDad that there is not a lot of face time in the Dave Campbells' each year for our Texas fav's but I'd suggest you pick up a copy soon. I scored a copy from my son this weekend for father's day. Coach Mohr pays a very high comp to Baer and Furlow. The mag implies that this season may be a "perfect storm" offensively for the TU running backs. Of course Tex, we know what that means for a hard working o-lineman.

I was glad to see McMurry get some attention and hope they really take off starting about week three, Ralph...

As for the Roos' it basically presents 2009 as a "don't tell me, show me" season. I cannot disagree. But there really are lot of good signs leading up to this fall. One thing we know going in - with only 9 games to play we won't end up on the .500 fence. Three of the four home opponents beat us last year. Any improvement is going to be hard earned but I think this group is going to be pretty motivated after the off field / off season disappointments they have endured.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 22, 2009, 06:42:32 PM
QuoteAs for the Roos' it basically presents 2009 as a "don't tell me, show me" season. I cannot disagree. But there really are lot of good signs leading up to this fall. One thing we know going in - with only 9 games to play we won't end up on the .500 fence. Three of the four home opponents beat us last year. Any improvement is going to be hard earned but I think this group is going to be pretty motivated after the off field / off season disappointments they have endured.

So are you guys officially playing 9 games?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 22, 2009, 06:54:01 PM
On a non-football note - yesterday the Dallas Morning News printed a list of all valedictorians and salutatorians from all area high schools in the DFW area.  They also printed the college and major each plans to pursue.   A great number were going to attend Austin College, way more than a normal statistical distribution. 

Congratulations on both the students and the AC academic recruiters.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 22, 2009, 11:48:00 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on June 22, 2009, 06:42:32 PM
QuoteAs for the Roos' it basically presents 2009 as a "don't tell me, show me" season. I cannot disagree. But there really are lot of good signs leading up to this fall. One thing we know going in - with only 9 games to play we won't end up on the .500 fence. Three of the four home opponents beat us last year. Any improvement is going to be hard earned but I think this group is going to be pretty motivated after the off field / off season disappointments they have endured.

So are you guys officially playing 9 games?

Don't ever take anything I say here as official "DPU" or I might have to ban myself.  ;D

In this case I should have said  we are "apparently" playing only 9 games. I heard some talk early about possible replacement games but it seems none has come together.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 22, 2009, 11:56:55 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 22, 2009, 06:54:01 PM
On a non-football note - yesterday the Dallas Morning News printed a list of all valedictorians and salutatorians from all area high schools in the DFW area.  They also printed the college and major each plans to pursue.   A great number were going to attend Austin College, way more than a normal statistical distribution. 

Congratulations on both the students and the AC academic recruiters.  :)

Well put. It may be in large part a reflection of the tremendous leadership, support and inspiration of the outgoing President Dr. Oscar Page whose tenure ends June 30th after 15 years at AC. A wonderful man whose impact on the college and it's families will be lifelong and immeasureable.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 23, 2009, 12:40:27 AM
Quote from: rooski on June 22, 2009, 11:56:55 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 22, 2009, 06:54:01 PM
On a non-football note - yesterday the Dallas Morning News printed a list of all valedictorians and salutatorians from all area high schools in the DFW area.  They also printed the college and major each plans to pursue.   A great number were going to attend Austin College, way more than a normal statistical distribution. 

Congratulations on both the students and the AC academic recruiters.  :)

Well put. It may be in large part a reflection of the tremendous leadership, support and inspiration of the outgoing President Dr. Oscar Page whose tenure ends June 30th after 15 years at AC. A wonderful man whose impact on the college and its families will be lifelong and immeasurable.

When Dr Paige started at AC, the school was a member of the TIAA.  He helped create the ASC in 1996 and then led AC out of the ASC to the SCAC.

That is quite a legacy for AC fans.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 23, 2009, 07:20:49 AM
QuoteDon't ever take anything I say here as official "DPU" or I might have to ban myself. 

In this case I should have said  we are "apparently" playing only 9 games. I heard some talk early about possible replacement games but it seems none has come together.

No problems...I know getting a 10th has been difficult for a host of reasons. Thank you Colorado College. >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 24, 2009, 09:59:00 AM
Checked out the Centre Football website - just browsing - and saw that they are one of the few to actually identify their 2013 recruiting class. Go to their site for specifics but they call it a "banner class" and give names/pos/Ht./Wt./Hometown of all 31 commits. Obviously one can't really tell much about a given player from those details but here is the essence of what I glean from the list:
       9 OL,  5 DB,  4 LB,  5 WR,  3 RB,  2 DL,  1 QB,  1 DE,  and 1 TE make up the class.

After a solid 2008 they likely expect to compete for a championship in 2009. I look forward to our trip there in late September.

Two years ago we flew into Louisville and drove to Danville for the game. This year we are thinking about going in to Lexington. Any suggestions?...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 24, 2009, 11:25:13 AM
QuoteChecked out the Centre Football website - just browsing - and saw that they are one of the few to actually identify their 2013 recruiting class. Go to their site for specifics but they call it a "banner class" and give names/pos/Ht./Wt./Hometown of all 31 commits. Obviously one can't really tell much about a given player from those details but here is the essence of what I glean from the list:
       9 OL,  5 DB,  4 LB,  5 WR,  3 RB,  2 DL,  1 QB,  1 DE,  and 1 TE make up the class.

After a solid 2008 they likely expect to compete for a championship in 2009. I look forward to our trip there in late September.

Two years ago we flew into Louisville and drove to Danville for the game. This year we are thinking about going in to Lexington. Any suggestions?...

Thanks for the head's up on Centre's recruiting class. My guess is you're better off flying into Louisville (better fares)...although you are a bit closer to Danville flying into Lexington. Campus setting in Danville in the fall is very cool...although playing surface leaves a bit to be desired...and then there's the PA guy... ;) but a nice trip and Centre always comes to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on June 24, 2009, 11:38:51 AM
Good news for AC fans.  My sources tell me they expect around 100 players out for football this year after an excellent recruiting class and some transfers who came in last year.  :) The best news is they are trying to set up some JV contests as well.  8):o  Stay tuned for developments on a limited JV schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 24, 2009, 12:40:41 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on June 24, 2009, 11:25:13 AM
... a nice trip and Centre always comes to play.

Yes, indeed.  For example, I got to witness last season's Trinity "Debacle in Danville".   :-\

Nonetheless, it is a beautiful place to visit in the fall ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 24, 2009, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: roocru on June 24, 2009, 11:38:51 AM
Good news for AC fans.  My sources tell me they expect around 100 players out for football this year after an excellent recruiting class and some transfers who came in last year.  :) The best news is they are trying to set up some JV contests as well.  8):o  Stay tuned for developments on a limited JV schedule.

Any news regarding filling the former CC game date?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on June 25, 2009, 12:11:04 AM
Quote from: rooski on June 24, 2009, 01:18:06 PM
Quote from: roocru on June 24, 2009, 11:38:51 AM
Good news for AC fans.  My sources tell me they expect around 100 players out for football this year after an excellent recruiting class and some transfers who came in last year.  :) The best news is they are trying to set up some JV contests as well.  8):o  Stay tuned for developments on a limited JV schedule.

Any news regarding filling the former CC game date?

I did not hear any information on the 10th game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on June 25, 2009, 12:10:47 PM
I posted this on the ASC board but thought the Millsaps faithful would want to see it as well.

"The Saskatchewan Roughriders of the CFL just made their first major cut and it appears Jerrell Freeman of UMHB has made the cut.  He is not on the most current transaction list at http://www.riderville.com/news/press_releases/3259/.  Justin Beaver (RB) of Whitewater made the practice team, Juan Joseph (QB) of Millsaps was released and A. J. Raebel (LB) of Whitewater was released earlier after trying to make the team as a defensive end."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on June 25, 2009, 05:52:40 PM
Geez,,, too bad Hendrix couldn't jump start their addition of football and give back the tenth game everybody is seeking due to CC's cancellations.  Any news out of the SCAC meetings?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 26, 2009, 01:14:20 PM
For your offseason entertainment ... here's every participant on the most recent 10 pages of the SCAC boards ... in "descending karmic order"

username      karma  posts  k/p ratio
Tenneessee_papa     4       3     1.33333
Fico                5       5     1.00000
Gray Fox          843    1950     0.43231
TigerDad           79     242     0.32645
scacsid            36     127     0.28346
roocru            167     600     0.27833
cush               14      57     0.24561
rooski             11      46     0.23913
crufootball        45     278     0.16187
LGHistorian        11      74     0.14865
Tex                32     245     0.13061
FerricMajor82       4      36     0.11111
etg                14     141     0.09929
Wes Anderson       78     881     0.08854
D3_DPUFan          24     462     0.05195
Ron Boerger       201    4172     0.04818
frank_ezelle       83    1839     0.04513
Ralph Turner      826   19018     0.04343
Bill McCabe        70    1748     0.04005
wally_wabash      112    3626     0.03089
frank uible        52    3172     0.01639
historymajor        2     440     0.00455

Oddly, some of the most informative contributors have the lowest ratio.  Let the games begin!
Somebody SMITE somebody ...  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 27, 2009, 10:15:26 AM
QuoteFor your offseason entertainment ... here's every participant on the most recent 10 pages of the SCAC boards ... in "descending karmic order"

username      karma  posts  k/p ratio
Tenneessee_papa     4       3     1.33333
Fico                5       5     1.00000
Gray Fox          843    1950     0.43231
TigerDad           79     242     0.32645
scacsid            36     127     0.28346
roocru            167     600     0.27833
cush               14      57     0.24561
rooski             11      46     0.23913
crufootball        45     278     0.16187
LGHistorian        11      74     0.14865
Tex                32     245     0.13061
FerricMajor82       4      36     0.11111
etg                14     141     0.09929
Wes Anderson       78     881     0.08854
D3_DPUFan          24     462     0.05195
Ron Boerger       201    4172     0.04818
frank_ezelle       83    1839     0.04513
Ralph Turner      826   19018     0.04343
Bill McCabe        70    1748     0.04005
wally_wabash      112    3626     0.03089
frank uible        52    3172     0.01639
historymajor        2     440     0.00455

Oddly, some of the most informative contributors have the lowest ratio.  Let the games begin!
Somebody SMITE somebody ...   

Nice work...is it football season yet????
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 27, 2009, 10:58:52 AM
TigerDad...
Any news out of San Antonio on the Tigers? What can we expect when the Texas Tigers visit Greencastle in late October?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 27, 2009, 11:38:21 AM
Quote"The Saskatchewan Roughriders of the CFL just made their first major cut and it appears Jerrell Freeman of UMHB has made the cut.  He is not on the most current transaction list at http://www.riderville.com/news/press_releases/3259/.  Justin Beaver (RB) of Whitewater made the practice team, Juan Joseph (QB) of Millsaps was released and A. J. Raebel (LB) of Whitewater was released earlier after trying to make the team as a defensive end."

Sorry to hear Joseph did not stick....wish him the best with whatever path he pursues.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 27, 2009, 11:43:36 AM
QuoteChecked out the Centre Football website - just browsing - and saw that they are one of the few to actually identify their 2013 recruiting class. Go to their site for specifics but they call it a "banner class" and give names/pos/Ht./Wt./Hometown of all 31 commits. Obviously one can't really tell much about a given player from those details but here is the essence of what I glean from the list:
       9 OL,  5 DB,  4 LB,  5 WR,  3 RB,  2 DL,  1 QB,  1 DE,  and 1 TE make up the class.

Is 31 a small class by DIII standards? DePauw I think has 50 recruits list for 2009. I know other schools have much bigger numbers...but just wondering what is considered a typical recruiting class size at this level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 27, 2009, 12:33:19 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on June 27, 2009, 10:58:52 AM
What can we expect when the Texas Tigers visit Greencastle in late October?

DPU, haven't heard much and what I have heard, I can't repeat (of course!)
However, I guarantee a Tiger win that day.   ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 27, 2009, 01:55:01 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on June 27, 2009, 11:43:36 AM
Is 31 a small class by DIII standards? DePauw I think has 50 recruits list for 2009. I know other schools have much bigger numbers...but just wondering what is considered a typical recruiting class size at this level.

Not really, particularly once you get outside the "powerhouses" in a particular conference.  Pat could probably tell you better than me, but from my work on Kickoff last year, I'd say our conference's average was somewhere in the 30's.

Something else to keep in mind is that the enrollment at Centre isn't near what it is at the DePauw's or Trinity's of the world.  I find Centre's enrollment at about 1200, which is half of DePauw's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 27, 2009, 03:05:25 PM
QuoteDPU, haven't heard much and what I have heard, I can't repeat (of course!)
However, I guarantee a Tiger win that day.   

Good point... ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 27, 2009, 03:13:28 PM
QuoteNot really, particularly once you get outside the "powerhouses" in a particular conference.  Pat could probably tell you better than me, but from my work on Kickoff last year, I'd say our conference's average was somewhere in the 30's.

Something else to keep in mind is that the enrollment at Centre isn't near what it is at the DePauw's or Trinity's of the world.  I find Centre's enrollment at about 1200, which is half of DePauw's.

Thanks, Wes...I was just curious. Looking forward to seeing how some of DPU's recruits look. 8 or 9 kids from Chicagoland...



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on June 29, 2009, 03:28:50 PM
DPU;
This may not apply to other SCAC schools, but Trinity's "recruiting class" typically runs in the mid-30's.  In my five years following the program, first-year numbers have been dropping by a couple each year.  Trinity has raised their incoming admissions standards each year and, as a result, it's more and more difficult for the coaching staff to find football players, not just bodies, who can be admitted.  I know they do use the All-State Academic teams as their top recruiting lists ... it does them no good to invite a great player to Trinity if he can't get admitted.  And, despite what some may say about other D3 schools, Trinity gives NO preference to athletes either before or after they are admitted.  It's a tough go and I'm repeating myself, but I am amazed that Coach Mohr and his staff consistently field a top-notch football team year after year.  At some point, they may start to slip, but I haven't seen it yet ... I just think the average SCAC team is getting better year-by-year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 29, 2009, 05:21:48 PM
Things will be even more complicated as schools and parents deal with the various economic factors they have. :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 29, 2009, 05:34:43 PM
QuoteDPU;
This may not apply to other SCAC schools, but Trinity's "recruiting class" typically runs in the mid-30's.  In my five years following the program, first-year numbers have been dropping by a couple each year.  Trinity has raised their incoming admissions standards each year and, as a result, it's more and more difficult for the coaching staff to find football players, not just bodies, who can be admitted.  I know they do use the All-State Academic teams as their top recruiting lists ... it does them no good to invite a great player to Trinity if he can't get admitted.  And, despite what some may say about other D3 schools, Trinity gives NO preference to athletes either before or after they are admitted.  It's a tough go and I'm repeating myself, but I am amazed that Coach Mohr and his staff consistently field a top-notch football team year after year.  At some point, they may start to slip, but I haven't seen it yet ... I just think the average SCAC team is getting better year-by-year.

Thanks...some good perspective.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on June 29, 2009, 06:38:04 PM
D3_DPUFan,  Why the interest in the Chicago recruits?  Did you grow up there ?  Just curious as I grew up there.  Funny, but this year, one of the DPU recruits is from my high school (Notre Dame in Niles) and one is from my wife's high school (Lyons Township in LaGrange).  My son met the boy from LT at a party the other day and said he seems to be a good kid.  My son is doing an internship in the Chicago area for the summer.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 29, 2009, 07:38:28 PM
QuoteD3_DPUFan,  Why the interest in the Chicago recruits?  Did you grow up there ?  Just curious as I grew up there.  Funny, but this year, one of the DPU recruits is from my high school (Notre Dame in Niles) and one is from my wife's high school (Lyons Township in LaGrange).  My son met the boy from LT at a party the other day and said he seems to be a good kid.  My son is doing an internship in the Chicago area for the summer.

Fripp---
No Chicago connection for me...I just know DPU has had some success with Chicago area kids in te past and it seems the pipeline may be gettig bigger...perhaps the University of Illinois connection on the coaching staff is part of it...a guy sent me an Internet post about a 6'6" 320 OL from Gordon Tech heading to Greencastle...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on June 30, 2009, 11:23:47 AM
D3_DPUFan

Agree on the Chicagoland area recruiting.  I was one of them back in the early to mid 80's and our starting defense during my 4 years there was 75 % plus Chicago kids and we had pretty good success back then.  For whatever reason, Nick's pipeline seemed to dry up and he relied on Indiana kids.  Not to say that he did not have any success, but I think to take it to the next level, Chicago needs to be tapped to provide at least 10 kids per each recruiting class.  With the level of football up there and only 3 to 4 hours away, that should be a key recruiting area.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 30, 2009, 01:24:29 PM
QuoteAgree on the Chicagoland area recruiting.  I was one of them back in the early to mid 80's and our starting defense during my 4 years there was 75 % plus Chicago kids and we had pretty good success back then.  For whatever reason, Nick's pipeline seemed to dry up and he relied on Indiana kids.  Not to say that he did not have any success, but I think to take it to the next level, Chicago needs to be tapped to provide at least 10 kids per each recruiting class.  With the level of football up there and only 3 to 4 hours away, that should be a key recruiting area.

Absolutely...I think the success of current Chicagoland players like Fitch, Mulligan and Ellis, the success and direction of the program as well as the Illini connection, position the Tigers well to mine some real talent in the area. The university gets lots of kids from Chicago in general...why not get a few more football players while they're at it!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 30, 2009, 02:29:54 PM
When you take some very talented kids from North Central and Wheaton's backyard, you're probably doing something right.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on June 30, 2009, 03:58:29 PM
Lots of indicators show that DePauw does things right - both short term and long term. I for one hope they continue to call the SCAC home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 30, 2009, 04:30:20 PM
QuoteWhen you take some very talented kids from North Central and Wheaton's backyard, you're probably doing something right.

Right on, Wes.

QuoteLots of indicators show that DePauw does things right - both short term and long term. I for one hope they continue to call the SCAC home.

...and as I've said before, I think the Roos are definitely on the right track (enjoyed the environment at Jerry Apple Stadium last season); look forward to your continued success, except for this November 7. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on June 30, 2009, 05:45:42 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on June 30, 2009, 02:29:54 PM
When you take some very talented kids from North Central and Wheaton's backyard, you're probably doing something right.

     Exhibit A-- Jeremiah Marks, from Glenbard- less than 10 miles from both Wheaton and North Central (plus Elmhurst). He was a pain in the a** but a joy to watch play football. His freshman year (14-7)(2004), his running controlled most of the second half. No way Wabash could come back, sending me to my 7th consecutive Monon loss personally observed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on June 30, 2009, 08:40:01 PM
Stat Geek Question...

How many high school football players are there in the US?

How many NCAA football players are there in the US? (all divisions)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on June 30, 2009, 08:52:35 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on June 29, 2009, 07:38:28 PM
QuoteD3_DPUFan,  Why the interest in the Chicago recruits?  Did you grow up there ?  Just curious as I grew up there.  Funny, but this year, one of the DPU recruits is from my high school (Notre Dame in Niles) and one is from my wife's high school (Lyons Township in LaGrange).  My son met the boy from LT at a party the other day and said he seems to be a good kid.  My son is doing an internship in the Chicago area for the summer.

Fripp---
No Chicago connection for me...I just know DPU has had some success with Chicago area kids in te past and it seems the pipeline may be gettig bigger...perhaps the University of Illinois connection on the coaching staff is part of it...a guy sent me an Internet post about a 6'6" 320 OL from Gordon Tech heading to Greencastle...


Dont' take this as a negative, but OL kids that size are normally going D-1 if they can play a lick.  If this kid is really good, then consider it a coup. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 30, 2009, 09:26:20 PM
QuoteDont' take this as a negative, but OL kids that size are normally going D-1 if they can play a lick.  If this kid is really good, then consider it a coup.  

You're dead on, Tex....and believe me, I am not one of the guys who is enamored by huge linemen.  I remember some of the Gerry Faust Notre Dame teams that had enormous fronts on both sides...they looked tough, but got beat all the time.  In my book, smaller, quicker, smarter linemen will win most battles. We'll begin to get an idea of how this this big boy will fare soon enough. Here's hoping he has great feet and will help DPU beat those mean San Antonio Tigers.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on July 01, 2009, 08:07:22 AM
Sewanee-U of South 2009 signees

http://sewaneetigers.com/news/2009/6/30/FB_0630094355.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on July 01, 2009, 08:10:54 AM
Update on DePauw's 10th game.............My son was with Adam Hill, the punter, this past weekend.  He was at DPU's kicking camp recently.  In speaking with the coaches, it appears DePauw will have a 9 game schedule this year.  They will have an open week during opening week just like they have the past few years, and they will have an open week during CC week in October.

Pressure will be on to post at least an 8 and 1 year or win conference to have a shot at a playoff bid if I understand the playoff process.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 01, 2009, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: Fripp52 on July 01, 2009, 08:10:54 AM
Update on DePauw's 10th game.............My son was with Adam Hill, the punter, this past weekend.  He was at DPU's kicking camp recently.  In speaking with the coaches, it appears DePauw will have a 9 game schedule this year.  They will have an open week during opening week just like they have the past few years, and they will have an open week during CC week in October.

Pressure will be on to post at least an 8 and 1 year or win conference to have a shot at a playoff bid if I understand the playoff process.

That's not fair to the kids.  Find a 10th game.  Step out of your division.  Step out of D-3 if you have to.  Give the kids 10 games.  Period.  They give it their all during the year, they deserve it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 01, 2009, 11:03:46 AM
Quote from: Tex on July 01, 2009, 10:14:20 AM
Quote from: Fripp52 on July 01, 2009, 08:10:54 AM
Update on DePauw's 10th game.............My son was with Adam Hill, the punter, this past weekend.  He was at DPU's kicking camp recently.  In speaking with the coaches, it appears DePauw will have a 9 game schedule this year.  They will have an open week during opening week just like they have the past few years, and they will have an open week during CC week in October.

Pressure will be on to post at least an 8 and 1 year or win conference to have a shot at a playoff bid if I understand the playoff process.

That's not fair to the kids.  Find a 10th game.  Step out of your division.  Step out of D-3 if you have to.  Give the kids 10 games.  Period.  They give it their all during the year, they deserve it.
Here are the options in D3.


http://www.d3football.com/opendates/2009
Quote
September 05, 2009 (5 schools)
Delaware Valley
DePauw
Husson
Lewis and Clark
UW-Eau Claire

October 17, 2009 (3 schools)
Alfred
Centre
DePauw

UW-Eau Claire would be ecstatic to open the season.  Besides it is non-region!  And it leaves Alfred for Centre...also non-region.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 01, 2009, 12:53:26 PM
QuoteThat's not fair to the kids.  Find a 10th game.  Step out of your division.  Step out of D-3 if you have to.  Give the kids 10 games.  Period.  They give it their all during the year, they deserve it.

AGREE!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 01, 2009, 02:58:16 PM
I don't disagree with you Tex, but I'm going to provide two counterpoints.

1)  There are some winnable games in Week #1, but if you're going to go get a game, you better be absolutely certain you can win it.  I understand the fan's perspective, but for a coaching staff, roster, and student body that wants the playoffs more than anything, you better get to 9-1 if you play Game #10.  This 9 game schedule CAN go 8-1 or 9-0 as it is.  Don't cost yourself the playoffs by making it tougher than it has to be. 

On that list that Ralph posted above, I think that only Husson and Lewis & Clark are DEFINITELY winnable games.  I'd be real nervous with Alfred or Delware Valley on the schedule.  Wisconsin-Stout came to Greencastle a couple years ago, and they were in an entirely different league than DPU.  Those are some real cornfed boys up there.  Stout isn't even as good as Eau Claire, either.

Is Senior DePauw Football Player X unhappy he only gets to put that uniform on 9 times instead of 10? Yeah.  Would he be more excited to have a better chance to put that jersey on for a 10th game in the Division III Football Championships than to put it on in the guaranteed 10th game for an ass-kicking by a WIAC school in Week 1?  I'd say that's a definite yes.  I don't think DePauw can find a winnable game that's nearby, which is an excellent segue to point #2.

2)  If you come to grips with point #1, how in the heck are you going to get to Oregon for Lewis & Clark or Maine for Husson?  I guarantee you that DePauw isn't going to put another flight on the books.  I can almost certainly guarantee you that they aren't going to split the cost for either of those teams to come to Indiana, either.  They've already marked the Colorado flight for football off as a expense they can cut.  They'd rather live with the 9 games as a cost cutting measure.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 01, 2009, 03:23:17 PM
Quote from: Tex on July 01, 2009, 10:14:20 AM
That's not fair to the kids.  Find a 10th game.  Step out of your division.  Step out of D-3 if you have to.  Give the kids 10 games.  Period.  They give it their all during the year, they deserve it.
All the SCIAC teams and many in the NWC play only nine games.  There is probably a budget consideration  going on here as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on July 01, 2009, 03:44:14 PM
For what it's worth, a trophy game between Huntingdon and Birmingham-Southern. The Wesley Cup.

http://www.huntingdon.edu/athletics/athletics_news/july_09/7_1_09_fb


Go Hawks!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on July 01, 2009, 04:22:04 PM
Come on, admit it.  You're just ducking Mount Union.   ;D

Quote from: Wes Anderson on July 01, 2009, 02:58:16 PM
Is Senior DePauw Football Player X unhappy he only gets to put that uniform on 9 times instead of 10? Yeah.  Would he be more excited to have a better chance to put that jersey on for a 10th game in the Division III Football Championships than to put it on in the guaranteed 10th game for an ass-kicking by a WIAC school in Week 1? 

QFT.  If DPU wants a 10th game that bad, I think they should go ahead and win that league and play #10 on 11/21.  There's really not a good reason why they shouldn't be able to do that.  Juan-less Millsaps at home...Trinity at home with two weeks to prep.  This is as good a look at the SCAC AQ that DePauw is going to get. 

There just aren't good D-III options out there for a 10th game for DePauw.  I know the open dates site says Eau Claire is open, but their schedule shows a game scheduled vs. Bethel (Tenn.) on 9/5 so I'm not even sure that they are really available. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 01, 2009, 04:24:21 PM
QuoteI don't disagree with you Tex, but I'm going to provide two counterpoints.

1)  There are some winnable games in Week #1, but if you're going to go get a game, you better be absolutely certain you can win it.  I understand the fan's perspective, but for a coaching staff, roster, and student body that wants the playoffs more than anything, you better get to 9-1 if you play Game #10.  This 9 game schedule CAN go 8-1 or 9-0 as it is.  Don't cost yourself the playoffs by making it tougher than it has to be.  

On that list that Ralph posted above, I think that only Husson and Lewis & Clark are DEFINITELY winnable games.  I'd be real nervous with Alfred or Delware Valley on the schedule.  Wisconsin-Stout came to Greencastle a couple years ago, and they were in an entirely different league than DPU.  Those are some real cornfed boys up there.  Stout isn't even as good as Eau Claire, either.

Is Senior DePauw Football Player X unhappy he only gets to put that uniform on 9 times instead of 10? Yeah.  Would he be more excited to have a better chance to put that jersey on for a 10th game in the Division III Football Championships than to put it on in the guaranteed 10th game for an ass-kicking by a WIAC school in Week 1?  I'd say that's a definite yes.  I don't think DePauw can find a winnable game that's nearby, which is an excellent segue to point #2.

2)  If you come to grips with point #1, how in the heck are you going to get to Oregon for Lewis & Clark or Maine for Husson?  I guarantee you that DePauw isn't going to put another flight on the books.  I can almost certainly guarantee you that they aren't going to split the cost for either of those teams to come to Indiana, either.  They've already marked the Colorado flight for football off as a expense they can cut.  They'd rather live with the 9 games as a cost cutting measure.

As always, good points, Wes. And while you (and others) are correct in the need to be strategic about scheduling a "winnable" game, at some point you have to understand why these kids play the game...to compete.

I don't think there are that many "guaranteed" winnable games out there (unless you play in the NCAC...sorry, couldn't resist); finding a game against a competitive team, not  a WIAC team, but a team with a pulse, will only make you a better team (assuming that game is out there). Playing 9 games is not just shortchanging seniors, I think it shortchanges underclassmen and the overall program as well. Players (and coaches) work very, very hard to play in a finite number of games...I, too, hope MORE games are in offing in the post season...but think the school should do everything it can (and I think they are) to find a 10th regular season game...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 01, 2009, 05:54:46 PM
I know DePauw continues to search multiple options and this is probably one of many they are /have looked into...but, what about this scenario:

Greenville College in Illinois has an open date 9/26 (DPU scheduled to play at Sewanee that day)...Sewanee and DPU share Sept. 5 open date.

Move DPU-Sewanee game to 9/5 and DPU plays Greenville 9/26...

Know nothing about Greenville, but looks as though they played Wash U. (L) and Rose-Hulman (W) last season...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 01, 2009, 06:11:19 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 01, 2009, 04:24:21 PM
As always, good points, Wes. And while you (and others) are correct in the need to be strategic about scheduling a "winnable" game, at some point you have to understand why these kids play the game...to compete.

I agree with you. I understand the obligation, but the thing to remember is that this football program went down this exact road not all that long ago.  Inviting Wesley to Blackstock Stadium in 2005 cost that team the playoffs.  That agreement wasn't reached until very, very late in the spring.  DePauw went into the Monon Bell Classic knowing they had to win to get in, and they couldn't do it.  Leaving Week #1 open would have put that group in that year.  Yeah, I know they didn't play Trinity and etc, but that Wesley loss was a back-breaker.

If there's one thing I know about Matt Walker, he's not going to let that happen again.  He's going to give his team the best chance to win.  If he & Page Cotton can't find somebody they want to play and is willing to work out the details, they just won't do it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 01, 2009, 06:54:08 PM
QuoteIf there's one thing I know about Matt Walker, he's not going to let that happen again.  He's going to give his team the best chance to win.  If he & Page Cotton can't find somebody they want to play and is willing to work out the details, they just won't do it.

What do you think of the Greenville/Sewanee scenario I presented?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 01, 2009, 08:22:40 PM
I think it's an ideal situation, but it'll only go far if Greenville wants to do it, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 01, 2009, 08:41:19 PM
QuoteI think it's an ideal situation, but it'll only go far if Greenville wants to do it, too.

True. Whatever happens, I know there's some excitement about the upcoming campaign.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 01, 2009, 11:00:26 PM
According to a post on the ASC board, DPU is ranked 19, Trinity 20 in the USA Today pre-season D3 poll.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on July 06, 2009, 01:40:27 PM
A couple of notes from Kangaroo land:

The grapevine reveals "talk" of a possible replacement for the Colorado College game. Not in a position myself to give specifics but wish Jekelish or someone close to the program could update...

Also, with the arrival of the new AC president Dr. Marjorie Hass I thought it would be interesting to look into the state of the football program at her most recent stop - Muhlenberg College in PA. The football program there has been at least a recent DIII success. {I'm sure that if this is relevant some of our posting partners can expand on their football past or present.} While this certainly does not tell us anything about her posture regarding athletic programs and budgets, we can know she has at least seen the impact a successful football program can have on a DIII campus.

An excerpt from the Muhlenburg football website says the following about the 2008 season: "Muhlenburg won its second consecutive Centennial Conference championship, swept the CC postseason awards and climbed to unprecedented heights in the national poll."
"Muhlenberg ended it's season with a 20-0 loss to Wesley in the first round of the NCAA Tournament".

I hope that this somehow translates into good fortune for Austin College and the SCAC in the near and long term.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 06, 2009, 01:46:49 PM
rooski...
any idea who the possible replacement is?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on July 06, 2009, 02:20:28 PM
QuoteThat's not fair to the kids.  Find a 10th game.  Step out of your division.  Step out of D-3 if you have to.  Give the kids 10 games.  Period.  They give it their all during the year, they deserve it.


Yes but I feel I would do better to wait for an official announcement or at least until it is more solid than it is at this point. However, it would be fair to say that facing this opponent would fall into the scenerio Tex put out there earlier this month.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on July 06, 2009, 05:53:56 PM
The AC football website now shows an addition to the 2009 schedule for Oct.3rd - the former home date vs. Colorado College. The new opponent listed is "Tecnologico de Monterrey".  ???

Yes, from Mexico. Their website says the football team is a two-time defending national champion. But I don't know anything about college football in Mexico... Help me here guys...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 06, 2009, 06:25:04 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Borregos_Salvajes_-_ITESM_Campus_Monterrey
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 06, 2009, 06:32:40 PM
D-III senior All-Stars have beaten the Mexican champs 10 times out of 11 in the Aztec Bowl.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on July 06, 2009, 07:03:59 PM
Quote from: rooski on July 06, 2009, 05:53:56 PM
The AC football website now shows an addition to the 2009 schedule for Oct.3rd - the former home date vs. Colorado College. The new opponent listed is "Tecnologico de Monterrey".  ???

Yes, from Mexico. Their website says the football team is a two-time defending national champion. But I don't know anything about college football in Mexico... Help me here guys...

As I have said before, it is interesting that the current AC team is returning to play many teams that we played while I was on the team in the late 60's.  This is now another example!!  I played against a Mexican team as a freshman in Sherman.  We traveled to Mexico as a sophomore, stayed five days (to acclimate to the altitude) and played in Mexico's Olympic Stadium.  Many memories there, both of the game, before and after. ;)  I am glad AC got a 10th game!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 06, 2009, 07:30:09 PM
Quote from: rooski on July 06, 2009, 05:53:56 PM
The AC football website now shows an addition to the 2009 schedule for Oct.3rd - the former home date vs. Colorado College. The new opponent listed is "Tecnologico de Monterrey".  ???

Yes, from Mexico. Their website says the football team is a two-time defending national champion. But I don't know anything about college football in Mexico... Help me here guys...

Trinity played Monterrey Tech a few times back when the TU program was near its nadir.  I think they were 2-1, though it would seem both teams have improved since then.  There has been some discussion of MT taking on the new UTSA D1 program when it gets going in a year or two.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2009, 08:06:03 PM
Trinity leads the Monterrey Tech series...

3wins, one loss and 2 ties.

http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/archives/arch-series.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 06, 2009, 08:07:07 PM
QuoteYes, from Mexico. Their website says the football team is a two-time defending national champion. But I don't know anything about college football in Mexico... Help me here guys...

Whatever you do, don't drink the Gatorade... ;)

Seriously, glad to see you guys got a 10th...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 06, 2009, 09:32:06 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 06, 2009, 06:32:40 PM
D-III senior All-Stars have beaten the Mexican champs 10 times out of 11 in the Aztec Bowl.

And that excludes players from the top 2-4 teams which are still in the playoffs when the game was held.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 06, 2009, 09:50:11 PM
Good points Wes.  Everyone gripes and moans about a D-1a national championship playoff versus the bowl system.  But in contrast, in D-3 if you seemingly lose more than 1 game, no playoffs for you. 

How are you supposed to get better if you don't step up your pre-conference schedule?

I guess I'm spoiled on the Texas High School playoffs.  Nothing matters for playoffs until you get to your District Schedule.  So, often times, the really good teams go out and play other really good teams, steel sharpens steel sort of thing. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 07, 2009, 09:52:45 AM
Quote from: Tex on June 30, 2009, 08:40:01 PM
Stat Geek Question...
How many high school football players are there in the US?
How many NCAA football players are there in the US? (all divisions)

Tex, good questions.  I remembered seeing some statistics during a Randy Rodgers Recruiting seminar a few years back, but could not find my notes.  So, I sent Coach Rodgers an e-mail, which he forwarded to Brian Stumpf of Student Sports Magazine in California, who wrote this reply:

HIGH SCHOOL:

Quote
The latest numbers released by the NFHS (last September for the 07-08 school year) can be found at the following link:

http://www.nfhs.org/web/2008/09/high_school_sports_participation.aspx

To summarize – football once again topped the list for HS sports participants, with 1.1 million of the 7.4 estimated high school sports participants from the school year.

If you visit the NFHS link above, you can read that high school football participant numbers are more than twice that of the next sports (boys basketball, girls volleyball and boys and girls track and field).  No doubt partially due to the number of players on the field during the game and numbers on the team.

COLLEGE:

A few Google searches rendered the following (unconfirmed) info:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_many_NCAA_Division_1_football_players_were_there_in_2005

Quote
Q: How many NCAA Division 1 football players were there in 2005?

A:  In Division 1A, 119 times approximately 125 (85 scholarship/balance non-scholarship) = 14,875.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/academics+and+athletes/education+and+research/probability+of+competing/methodology+-+prob+of+competing

Quote
Football

About 5.7 percent, or approximately one in 17, of all high school senior boys playing interscholastic football will go on to play football at a NCAA member institution.

About 1.8 percent, or approximately one in 50, of NCAA senior football players will get drafted by a National Football League (NFL) team.

Approximately eight in 10,000, or approximately 0.08 percent of high school senior boys playing interscholastic football will eventually be drafted by an NFL team.


Ralph, Pat, Keith ... anyone? ... does anybody have any insight into the actual number of college football players in the USA?  By NCAA Division? 

===

OK, re-directing the subject here (stay with me):

During my search for the above info, I ran across an article from the Chicago Tribune (reprinted here: http://www.newamerica.net/publications/articles/2008/bcs_teams_flunk_gridiron_9450) about the dismal graduation rate of BCS (formerly Div I-A) football players.

According to the above article, "only 55 percent of Division I-A football players leave college in six years with a degree."  The article goes on to discuss the quality of these athletes' education (basket-weaving, anyone?) and the NCAA's attempt to regulate and "grade" the various programs on their graduation rates.

Does anyone know of similar figures for Division III athletes, especially football??  I would assume it's MUCH higher, but it would be interesting to learn some real facts here.

Any SID's wanna jump in here?  Or request this info from the NCAA and report back?  Might make an interesting article for D3Football.com during this otherwise slow off-season ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 07, 2009, 02:41:58 PM
Congrats to AC Coach Ronnie Gage...will be inducted into the Texas H.S. Coaches Association Hall of Honor later this month...story on the SCAC website...



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on July 07, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
Tigerdad

    It may be harder to find that info because so many kids drop out of football and stay at school in DIII.     It is probably easier to follow scholorship athletes
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on July 07, 2009, 08:37:14 PM
TD... nice analysis. 

Regarding AC's choice to play Monterey Tech.... 

It's been a few years but Trinity used to scrimmage them as a preseason warmup.  They always brought a small army to EMS and were more interested in picking fights and getting ejected.  They treated the scrimmage like their super bowl and were plenty big and strong, but not really technically sharp. 

AC's option attack (if they still use it) should drive them crazy.  I would caution AC to tape heavily, wear knee braces and expect a VERY physical game with lot's of unsportsmanlike conduct.  They seem more interested in MMA than our SCAC brand of football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on July 08, 2009, 09:47:40 AM
Quote from: rooski on July 06, 2009, 05:53:56 PM
Yes, from Mexico. Their website says the football team is a two-time defending national champion. But I don't know anything about college football in Mexico... Help me here guys...

Thank you for the feedback, gentlemen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on July 08, 2009, 10:17:40 AM
Anyone know if AC will have to go to Monterey Tech next year or is this a one time thing?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 08, 2009, 11:58:10 AM
Quote from: crufootball on July 08, 2009, 10:17:40 AM
Anyone know if AC will have to go to Monterey Tech next year or is this a one time thing?

I can't see this being any more than a one-year deal caused by CC's sudden abandonment of football. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 08, 2009, 06:49:34 PM
Just to chime in with 'historymajor' on Monterrey Tech:

Trinity did indeed scrimmage Monterrey Tech the first two years my son was at TU ... maybe before that, too.  So, my first experience with D3 football was when these GIANT dudes from Mexico showed up in late August to scrimmage the Texas Tigers.  YIKES.  Their average lineman was about 6'6" and 290, linebackers were all 6'4" and 250-plus.  The MT running backs were 5'8" and faster than anyone I'd ever seen in person. 

In the OL vs DL drills, the Tigers were miniature by comparison.  Turns out many of the "Borregos Salvajes" (Wild Rams) looked to be at least in their mid-20's and perhap older than that.  Trinity looked like a JV team playing a D1 first-string.  Skill-wise, MT was pretty good, but it was hard to tell as that was my first look at Trinity, period.

I believe "Los Borregos Salvajes" compete well in an American Football League with several other campuses in Mexico ... they are definitely scholarship players, if not semi-pro by NCAA standards.  I would not go so far as to accuse them of unfair or unsportmanlike behavior as I don't recall witnessing that, but I do think the Austin College players and coaches will have their hands (and feet and heads) full in a game situation.

Glad they're not coming to Trinity in place of CoCo this year!!   :o

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 08, 2009, 07:27:33 PM
QuoteJust to chime in with 'historymajor' on Monterrey Tech:

Trinity did indeed scrimmage Monterrey Tech the first two years my son was at TU ... maybe before that, too.  So, my first experience with D3 football was when these GIANT dudes from Mexico showed up in late August to scrimmage the Texas Tigers.  YIKES.  Their average lineman was about 6'6" and 290, linebackers were all 6'4" and 250-plus.  The MT running backs were 5'8" and faster than anyone I'd ever seen in person. 

In the OL vs DL drills, the Tigers were miniature by comparison.  Turns out many of the "Borregos Salvajes" (Wild Rams) looked to be at least in their mid-20's and perhap older than that.  Trinity looked like a JV team playing a D1 first-string.  Skill-wise, MT was pretty good, but it was hard to tell as that was my first look at Trinity, period.

I believe "Los Borregos Salvajes" compete well in an American Football League with several other campuses in Mexico ... they are definitely scholarship players, if not semi-pro by NCAA standards.  I would not go so far as to accuse them of unfair or unsportmanlike behavior as I don't recall witnessing that, but I do think the Austin College players and coaches will have their hands (and feet and heads) full in a game situation.

Glad they're not coming to Trinity in place of CoCo this year!!   

Way to boost the spirits of Roocru and Rooski... :D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on July 08, 2009, 07:34:16 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 08, 2009, 07:27:33 PM
QuoteJust to chime in with 'historymajor' on Monterrey Tech:

Trinity did indeed scrimmage Monterrey Tech the first two years my son was at TU ... maybe before that, too.  So, my first experience with D3 football was when these GIANT dudes from Mexico showed up in late August to scrimmage the Texas Tigers.  YIKES.  Their average lineman was about 6'6" and 290, linebackers were all 6'4" and 250-plus.  The MT running backs were 5'8" and faster than anyone I'd ever seen in person. 

In the OL vs DL drills, the Tigers were miniature by comparison.  Turns out many of the "Borregos Salvajes" (Wild Rams) looked to be at least in their mid-20's and perhap older than that.  Trinity looked like a JV team playing a D1 first-string.  Skill-wise, MT was pretty good, but it was hard to tell as that was my first look at Trinity, period.

I believe "Los Borregos Salvajes" compete well in an American Football League with several other campuses in Mexico ... they are definitely scholarship players, if not semi-pro by NCAA standards.  I would not go so far as to accuse them of unfair or unsportmanlike behavior as I don't recall witnessing that, but I do think the Austin College players and coaches will have their hands (and feet and heads) full in a game situation.

Glad they're not coming to Trinity in place of CoCo this year!!   

Way to boost the spirits of Roocru and Rooski... :D



The way I see it, if they are that good it will help us prepare for the rest of the SCAC.   :) ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 08, 2009, 08:02:59 PM
Well, remember, the game won't count on your W-L record so it can only be a positive. Unless someone gets hurt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on July 09, 2009, 10:51:12 AM
President's meeting update via lacrosse mag: (scroll down)

http://www.laxmagazine.com/blogs/coyne/062809_empire8


seems nothing to happen...isn't the scac already divided into divisions?. Next summer is probably some adjustment time in membership for the scac, centenary and berry probably join to go to 14 or to keep it at 12 if depauw moves to the ncac and cc leaves
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 09, 2009, 11:13:24 AM
Quoteseems nothing to happen...isn't the scac already divided into divisions?. Next summer is probably some adjustment time in membership for the scac, centenary and berry probably join to go to 14 or to keep it at 12 if depauw moves to the ncac and cc leaves

Did anyone expect anything to happen?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 10, 2009, 12:39:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 27, 2009, 11:55:21 AM
http://www.mysanantonio.com/community/Boerne_QB_commits_to_Trinity.html

Boerne QB commits to Trinity

Boerne Champion standout quarterback Chuck Thornally has committed to play the same position at Trinity University in San Antonio.

Thornally considered several offers to play tight end at larger schools but rejected them in favor of Trinity's offer to remain under center. Other schools that did consider him at quarterback could not match Trinity's high academic standards.

[...]

"Trinity's getting a D-I player who got overlooked for reasons we'll never understand, and they have to be extremely happy," Champion head football coach Danny Threadgill said. "That's not just my opinion. That's coaches' throughout the area. They're getting a quality person and a quality player."

[...]

Thornally's commitment to Trinity carries one caveat. The Fair Oaks resident learned this week that he is one of three Champion players invited to play in the 31st annual San Antonio High School All-Star Football Game, set for May 9 at NEISD Comalander Stadium. Texas State recruit Josh Wray and center Kevin Peet are Boerne's other all-star representatives.

The game is heavily attended by D-I and D-II football scouts, and it is not unusual for them to make late offers.


Without going in to the D3/commit business, it sounds like Trinity is a safety pending a scholarship offer from a school Thornally is comfortable with.   The young man would have great size for a Division III QB (6'5", 220) if he does stick at TU.

A post on another board about another Boerne QB got me thinking about this kid ... according to this site (http://www.cpotx.com/profiles/profile_public_list_yy.php?sport=FB&&grad_yr=2009) he truly has committed to TU (scroll down a page or two).   Guess that means I need to apologize for the comment about Trinity being a safety choice. 

He's actually one of a number of D3 "commits" being shown here, there are a number of ASC schools shown as well a couple of others. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on July 10, 2009, 05:39:44 PM
Nice work TU. Possibly another example of "there's more to DIII football, than just football." And hey, from a conference perspective, if one gets better - we all get better".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 11, 2009, 04:09:58 PM
QuoteHe's actually one of a number of D3 "commits" being shown here, there are a number of ASC schools shown as well a couple of others.

Tex, TigerDad, et al...does this kid have a chance to compete for time as a freshman? Who's the likely starter at QB?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 11, 2009, 08:16:36 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on June 27, 2009, 12:33:19 PM
DPU, haven't heard much and what I have heard, I can't repeat (of course!)

As a parent of a current player, I stand my my earlier answer above!   ;D

It's pretty common knowledge that last year's stand-out starter, Bryant Wilson, is finished with his eligibility.  Last year's roster lists 5 other QB's, but none with starting experience since Wilson played every game in 2008.  Some of those underclassmen may not return this season, plus there will be incoming first-year QB's to compete as well.  I look forward to seeing all the Tigers compete in less than two months!  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 11, 2009, 09:07:32 PM
QuoteAs a parent of a current player, I stand my my earlier answer above!   

It's pretty common knowledge that last year's stand-out starter, Bryant Wilson, is finished with his eligibility.  Last year's roster lists 5 other QB's, but none with starting experience since Wilson played every game in 2008.  Some of those underclassmen may not return this season, plus there will be incoming first-year QB's to compete as well.  I look forward to seeing all the Tigers compete in less than two months! 

You're tough!

Whoever is behind center, I think they'll be facing a stout D when the Texas Tigers visit Greencastle in late October...already lookig forward to what will certainly be a tough contest.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 13, 2009, 04:42:13 PM

Fans of the Monon Bell rivalry, don't bother watching ESPNU's 50 States in 50 Days "stop" in Indiana...as expected, an ND lovefest, including Lou Holtz saying he wouldn't be surprised if the Irish are playing Florida for the national championship...Old Oaken Bucket was mentioned as a great rivalry...not one second spent with even a mention of any team other than ND, Purdue and IU....great snapshot of college football in Indiana...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 13, 2009, 04:46:50 PM
wow.  been gone a while and come back to find my Roos will be playing what is described as a semi pro goon squad from Mexico.

I sure hope the team can put up a good showing.  Any kind of thrashing where we are not competitive is really bad for the fans moral.  In my time there, one bad beating at home almost always killed what little enthusiasm the student body had for the season.  I had a heck of a time getting people to even believe we were competitive the last couple years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 13, 2009, 05:00:13 PM

SCAC unveils "cost containment" plan...

http://www.scacsports.com/news/scac_announces_cost_containment_plan
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 13, 2009, 05:17:21 PM
Highlights:

- schools will play only 90% of NCAA 'max allowable' games (this year for all sports except fb. next year for them)
- more clearly defined "hard" travel squad sizes
- bb and sb contests will be aligned to allow those squads to travel together, much as basketball and soccer teams do

TOTAL SAVINGS, LEAGUE-WIDE:  $500-575K

Other announcements:
- all SCAC tourney fields will be expanded back to original sizes (see, Frank, you DO make a difference!)
- Men's lacrosse a conference sport, will apply for AQ next year when 8-team minimum is met.  No post-season tourney this year, will consider when AQ granted
- Women's lacrosse starts as a conf sport in 2010-11

Wonder how much of the cost delta will be offset by travel for the new sports.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 13, 2009, 05:35:48 PM
Whoa, football will be limited to nine games? Or will the be interpreted as 10 games, no scrimmage?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 13, 2009, 07:14:29 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 13, 2009, 05:35:48 PM
Whoa, football will be limited to nine games? Or will the be interpreted as 10 games, no scrimmage?

I imagine that the SCAC schools in this part of the country could bargain for their 10th and extra game to be a home game.

Trinity, AC, Rhodes, and Millsaps and even Hendrix could get a 10th game at home against ASC teams with little problem.

DPU and Centre are close for 2 non-conference games.  BSC and Sewanee can get Huntingdon, Maryville, and LaGrange easily.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 13, 2009, 07:40:22 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 13, 2009, 05:35:48 PM
Whoa, football will be limited to nine games? Or will the be interpreted as 10 games, no scrimmage?

I read this as nine games:  "an across the board 10% reduction of contests as measured against the current NCAA permissible maximum."  The exception for the upcoming season is only due to "existing scheduling contracts."

Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 13, 2009, 07:14:29 PM

I imagine that the SCAC schools in this part of the country could bargain for their 10th and extra game to be a home game.

Trinity, AC, Rhodes, and Millsaps and even Hendrix could get a 10th game at home against ASC teams with little problem.

DPU and Centre are close for 2 non-conference games.  BSC and Sewanee can get Huntingdon, Maryville, and LaGrange easily.

I don't see the conference granting exceptions, 10th game at home or no.  These are called the "Cost Containment and Student-Athlete Welfare Measures".   :(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 13, 2009, 09:32:48 PM
As a parent of a current player, I think if we go to 9 games, it's a crime.  The men put in all this time and effort all year long only to have their 10th game go bye bye?  

It sucks and that's all there is to it.  Hopefully between now and next year, the rule will change back.  This is ridiculous.  

Maybe time to add a couple of teams to the SCAC to force a 10 game season.  It's hard enough for these coaches to recruit against the ASC.  Now I can see the ASC coaches telling a kid, "you know son, if you go to play for Austin College or Trinity, you're only going to get to play 9 games."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 13, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Maybe it's time to find a new conference?  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 13, 2009, 09:39:33 PM
QuoteAs a parent of a current player, I think if we go to 9 games, it's a crime.  The men put in all this time and effort all year long only to have their 10th game go bye bye? 

Agreed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 13, 2009, 11:26:19 PM
SCAC confirmed for me this means nine games for football in 2011.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 13, 2009, 11:51:31 PM
Note that what originally was talked about as a cost-savings move really doesn't save enough money in the long run to make much of a difference.  $50K per school per year, offset by men's lacrosse costs for five schools this year, eight next, and the women's lacrosse costs the year after that?   Peanuts.  

The "student-athlete welfare" thing is worrysome.  It's a wholesale devaluation of the athletic experience.  While I hope they're not trying to turn football into a NESCAC experience, it would not surprise me to find out that some of the presidents are looking at that conference as a model in some way.  They said only 23% of the athletes were bothered by losing 10% of their games; imagine the percentage among football players was considerably higher.

The timing is very interesting.  Austin has a new president comng onboard, Trinity's president is leaving at the end of the calendar year (and no successor named yet).  

Quote from: Tex on July 13, 2009, 09:32:48 PM

Maybe time to add a couple of teams to the SCAC to force a 10 game season.  It's hard enough for these coaches to recruit against the ASC.  Now I can see the ASC coaches telling a kid, "you know son, if you go to play for Austin College or Trinity, you're only going to get to play 9 games."

You can rest assured that the conference, having come to today's conclusion, will not allow itself to have eleven football-playing schools.    And that recruiting against the ASC is not a concern of those who made this decision.  

Quote from: Tex on July 13, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Maybe it's time to find a new conference?  :)

This might be an option for DPU and other schools that aren't west of the Mississippi.  Feel free to find a candidate for Trinity, given that

1)  the school does not want to be in the ASC (they were in the predecessor to the ASC, the TIAA, and left)
2)  You won't find a lot of other conferences enthusastic about adding a school that would mandate plane trips to San Antonio solely to play one college.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 14, 2009, 04:20:02 AM

QuoteThe "student-athlete welfare" thing is worrysome.  It's a wholesale devaluation of the athletic experience.  While I hope they're not trying to turn football into a NESCAC experience, it would not surprise me to find out that some of the presidents are looking at that conference as a model in some way.  They said only 23% of the athletes were bothered by losing 10% of their games; imagine the percentage among football players was considerably higher.

The timing is very interesting.  Austin has a new president comng onboard, Trinity's president is leaving at the end of the calendar year (and no successor named yet). 

Does anyone know what the vote was and how individual university presidents sided on the issue?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 14, 2009, 07:56:58 AM
QuoteSCAC confirmed for me this means nine games for football in 2011.

Pat---would it be 2011 or 2010 football season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 14, 2009, 09:45:18 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 14, 2009, 07:56:58 AM
QuoteSCAC confirmed for me this means nine games for football in 2011.

Pat---would it be 2011 or 2010 football season?


I read it as having to be in place for all non-football sports for the 2010-2011 school year and for football for the 2011-2012 school year (i.e., the 2011 season).

As to cutting the football schedule 10%, since they're doing it to the other sports they probably have to do it to football as well in order to stay consistent with the D-III no favorites gender equity overall student experience thing, don't they?

I also agree that the savings seem like peanuts relative to the whole, but I don't know how tight the budgets are.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 14, 2009, 10:02:09 AM
For those wanting to play more than nine games, just win the SCAC outright and you'll be rewarded with a ticket to a playoff (tenth) game.  For those of us in Texas, we're almost guaranteed a trip to Belton to play UMHB!   :-\

Maybe nine games isn't so bad ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 14, 2009, 10:22:23 AM
If you do this....

Quote from: Tex on July 13, 2009, 09:32:48 PM
Maybe time to add a couple of teams to the SCAC to force a 10 game season.

Then I absolutely guarantee you that there is a 100% chance DePauw will say this...

Quote from: Tex on July 13, 2009, 09:35:04 PM
Maybe it's time to find a new conference?  :)

DePauw will never let that happen.  They're either going to throw such a fit that it would never happen, or they'd even go join the Heartland if they had to just to keep Wabash on the schedule.  Plus, that would have the exact opposite result of the cost-cutting measures they're trying to implement.

I guess I just don't get it.  We've already talked about this before.  I don't understand the big deal about the 10th game.  At least your son's program still has football.  If you want to guarantee your son plays in the most games, send him to a legit playoff contender like UMHB.  If you want him to have the best possible experience, then send him where he wants to go and the number of games shouldn't matter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 14, 2009, 11:24:58 AM
The SCAC will occasionally have a serious playoff contender (it's sounding like this might be DPU's year).  Only playing nine games puts you at a slight disadvantage - one less game during the regular season = less preparation.

The theoretical one-loss SCAC second place team will also have a harder time getting a Pool C bid at 8-1 than it would at 9-1 (due to winning percentage, one of the primary selection factors, being lower).   It's gotta happen one of these years, you know, and if it's one of those years where there are a gob of one-loss teams to choose from, could result in a team staying home. 

The playoff experience is worthwhile, but these changes serve to lessen the chance of selection and success.  Slight reductions, but reductions nonetheless.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 14, 2009, 01:11:54 PM
I understand that theory Ron, but I just don't think the Pool C issue is a particularly feasible scenario. 

Not only does the SCAC have to have at least 2 teams with 1 or 0 losses at season's end (which rarely happens, if ever - it hasn't as long as I've been around), but it has to occur in a year with so many other 1 loss teams that a SCAC school, with what would theoretically be a pretty decent OWP and OOWP, would be omitted.  Sure, it could happen this year.  But, I'm not losing any sleep over it. 

I also think that if you aren't ready for the playoffs after 9 games, you aren't going to be ready after 10.  I don't think that losing the week of playing Colorado College is going to keep you from beating a North Central or a CWRU in the first round of the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 15, 2009, 10:10:21 PM
I still think it's crap.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 15, 2009, 10:42:22 PM
The SCIAC has only played nine games as long as I remember.

If you want more, win the championship and get to the Stagg. :P ;) :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 17, 2009, 08:30:35 AM
Millsaps defensive line coach Davern Williams has been hired by Jacksonville State University.  He is the fourth assistant coach to depart from last year's staff.  Millsaps is becoming a breeding ground for success when it comes to coaches moving up the ranks.  From what I've gathered in the past through direct conversations and various articles, these assistant coaches see working under Coach DuBose as a great opportunity to learn and to prepare for bigger and better things.  That certainly seems to be the case.  Here's the link to the Millsaps story on Davern Williams:

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/7/16/FB_0716090322.aspx 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 17, 2009, 09:02:17 AM
QuoteMillsaps defensive line coach Davern Williams has been hired by Jacksonville State University.  He is the fourth assistant coach to depart from last year's staff.  Millsaps is becoming a breeding ground for success when it comes to coaches moving up the ranks.  From what I've gathered in the past through direct conversations and various articles, these assistant coaches see working under Coach DuBose as a great opportunity to learn and to prepare for bigger and better things.  That certainly seems to be the case.  Here's the link to the Millsaps story on Davern Williams:

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/7/16/FB_0716090322.aspx 

Wow...that a lot of turnover for a staff in one off season and this latest move comes pretty late. It is a testament to the successful program that Coach DuBose has built, but how do you thing the shake up will impact the team, if at all? And do you think DuBose is at Millsaps for the long haul?



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 17, 2009, 11:59:22 AM
I think if Coach DuBose was using Millsaps as a stepping stone then there's a good chance that he would have been part of this year's turnover.  This is simply my gut feeling, but it seems like Coach DuBose really enjoys Millsaps and part of that is the opportunity to mentor the assistant coaches.  With the 4 who have departed since last year, look at the step up they have made in the coaching ranks:

--Marcus Woodson, former DB coach, moves up to the DB coach at D1 Charleston Southern University.

--David Johnson, former wide receivers coach, returns to St. Augustine High School in New Orleans as the head coach, a school where he spent one year as the passing coordinator in 2005.

--Aaron Pelch, former assistant head coach and special teams coach, is now with the Oakland Raiders in the NFL as their assistant special teams coach.

--Davern Williams, former defensive line coach, takes the same position at Division 1-AA Jacksonville State University.

That has been the pattern for Millsaps coaches.  Spend some time at Millsaps and then move up the coaching ladder. Part of that is a reflection of hiring good people to begin with, but it also reflects the growth of these coaches while at Millsaps.  If there is a young defensive line coach out there looking for great experience and a fast track up the coaching profession, spending a year or two under Coach DuBose might be a very good career move.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DGPugh on July 17, 2009, 01:17:11 PM
Coach Williams coached at Huntingdon 2 yrs (after leaving the NFL), while there worked with the D coordinator for Huntingdon Hicks (who was former LB coach at Jax, played at Auburn 1 yr -red shirt- and 4 at Troy)... Auburn-Troy-Jax -West Al - Huntingdon coaches all know each other well, and move around a bit

I am sure working with Dubose helps....but in this case...Dalvern is an alabama kid( montgomery)with the connections already inplace, i spoke with him before he went to milsaps...uh...and yall might b off a bit in your analysis in this specific instance

I am not saying that working with Dubose is not the greatist thing since sliced bread... but you got me laughing on this one ;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 17, 2009, 03:46:45 PM
DG, you must have been distracted when your eyes got to the part about "part of that is a reflection of hiring good people to begin with".  

I presume that everyone hired by Millsaps comes in with good credentials and something to add to the program--why would Millsaps or any school hire someone who didn't fit that category?  In this specific instance, my analysis is that a coach came to Millsaps, was part of a very successful year, and then moved on to the same coaching slot at a 1-AA program.  That upward mobility movement seems to be a familiar pattern with Millsaps assistant coaches. It seems like more than just a coincidence.  

Since you know Coach Williams, maybe you can ask him if he felt like the year at Millsaps was a good experience and you can report back to us.  That would be a post that readers here would find interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 17, 2009, 03:53:19 PM
On the occassion of my 500th post, I thought it appropriate to salute those who created d3football.com. Your passion and persistence have produced a great place for conversation, information and celebration of true student-athletes playing an incredible game. Thank you for creating and maintaining a site that brings enjoyment to a whole lot of people. :)  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DGPugh on July 17, 2009, 04:53:17 PM
frank

i would suspect the yr at milsaps did nothing but help coach williams (he is a really good guy)... i am suggesting nothing different...

i (like many in this state) have had little respect for dubose-- in the past...however...he really impressed me this past yr

i thought yall were one of D-3's best teams despite the 2nd round exit from the playoffs.
the turn around in Milsaps football fortune has no doubt much to do with his coaching ability, he won an SEC championship at the tuscaloosa school for the learning impaired...he is no doubt a phenominal coach

also...thanks for the ding in karma (someone??  ;) )... i love how diff opinions cost such on this board (i am actually laughing  pretty hard...which is good as the ~10 inch incision over my rt hip has gotten me down...i needed a good laugh) :D

if dubose stays with yall (and i hope he will  for a lot of reasons) he will-i believe- convert yall into one of the most powerful programs in D-3...even with out Juan Joseph
i have enjoyed watching him apparently grow (like we all do) and flourish, even though i have been one of many detrators...but this pastyr made me rethank my opinion (not that it matters)

i am enjoying watching him do well (oddly), shoot...he is a covington county boy (Opp, Al), and that ain't a bad place ;D

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 17, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
With the loss of the 4 assistant coaches, Juan, and a slew of talented seniors, Coach DuBose will certainly get a chance to prove his coaching prowess this season.  While I still look for a highly successful season, my gut feeling is that the success will come in a little more conventional way than the pass happy attack of the last 3 years.

And I agree that too many people get trigger happy on the negative karma points.  Here's a +1 to get you back where you were.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 17, 2009, 09:46:06 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 17, 2009, 03:53:19 PM
On the occassion of my 500th post, I thought it appropriate to salute those who created d3football.com. Your passion and persistence have produced a great place for conversation, information and celebration of true student-athletes playing an incredible game. Thank you for creating and maintaining a site that brings enjoyment to a whole lot of people. :)  

Thank you, sir, appreciate it. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 18, 2009, 02:17:11 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 17, 2009, 08:30:35 AM
Millsaps defensive line coach Davern Williams has been hired by Jacksonville State University.  He is the fourth assistant coach to depart from last year's staff.  Millsaps is becoming a breeding ground for success when it comes to coaches moving up the ranks.  From what I've gathered in the past through direct conversations and various articles, these assistant coaches see working under Coach DuBose as a great opportunity to learn and to prepare for bigger and better things.  That certainly seems to be the case.  Here's the link to the Millsaps story on Davern Williams:

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/7/16/FB_0716090322.aspx 

Hard to argue with that rationale as the proof is in the pudding.  Coaches are coming in and moving onwards and hopefully upwards.

A case could also be made that Dubose is a huge a-hole and working under him is miserable.  Just citing there are always two sides to everything. 

My money is on that Dubose is a good coach and has enough of a pedigree and current success his assistants are getting good resume material. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 18, 2009, 02:19:21 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 17, 2009, 07:34:37 PM
With the loss of the 4 assistant coaches, Juan, and a slew of talented seniors, Coach DuBose will certainly get a chance to prove his coaching prowess this season.  While I still look for a highly successful season, my gut feeling is that the success will come in a little more conventional way than the pass happy attack of the last 3 years.

And I agree that too many people get trigger happy on the negative karma points.  Here's a +1 to get you back where you were.


+1.  We'll find out a lot about Dubose this season.  I agree with someone earlier, if he was using Milsaps as a stepping stone, he'd have been nuts to not take off with Juan. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 19, 2009, 09:43:20 AM
Since it's mid-summer without a lot to talk about, and while we are on the subject of DuBose and his assistants, here's a story about something from a couple of years ago that gives some insight on Millsaps coaching:

I believe this was the 2007 season but it may have been the 2006 season when I usually took photos from an elevated ramp going up to the seats on the home side.  There was a mom standing next to me, not a football player parent, but just someone visiting her child and taking in the ball game. 

This mom asked me which coach was the head coach.  Since all the coaches were wearing the same color pants and shirts, I pointed and said that's Coach DuBose over there.  Maybe she said something like, "the coach talking to #49", but whatever she said it was obvious that she was looking at the wrong coach.  This happened about 3 times and I was starting to doubt my ability to point.  Finally I said, "No, those are all assistant coaches.  Coach DuBose is the one standing about 20 yards away near midfield."

What had thrown the lady off was that Coach DuBose wasn't the guy making all the play-by-play decision with the assistant coaches huddle around waiting to be called on.  He was letting his coaches actually coach.  That's not to say that DuBose becomes a spectator on Saturdays.  He is involved during the game, but after the conversation with that mom I started to notice just how much responsibility DuBose allows his assistants to have in a game.  With his D1 credentials and former SEC Coach of the Year honor, one might think he would try and take over and run the show on every play but he's the exact opposite.

Along those same lines, when the JV team plays, DuBose turns everything over to the assistants.  He'll show up in workout clothes after the game has started and he'll watch from down near one of the end zones, occasionally yelling something to a player but not getting in the way of his assistants.   If you didn't know anything about the Millsaps coaching staff, you would think that guy near the end zone is just a bit of an overbearing football dad, not the head coach at the school.

Here's my bottom line on Coach DuBose.  I'm fairly certain that he can't walk on water.  On the negative side, I thought he was wrong to throw away the win in 2007 against MC, and it was poor clock management that led to the Trinity even having a chance to pulll off the "Miracle in Mississippi", and I think Millsaps got too conservative on offense in the 2nd half of the W&J playoff game. 

On the plus side, there are very few coaches who could have inherited the 2005 Millsaps football team and turned it into a 2006 SCAC Championship team.  It's a fact that after 30 years of not being in the NCAA Playoffs, Millsaps has been 2 of the last 3 years and only the 2007 "College play of the year" prevented it from being 3 for 3.  The number of players participating are far higher than at any time in the past and Millsaps is playing a JV schedule for the first time ever.  And maybe most important of all, while growing the program and building this success, there is a tremendous sense of family about the team.  I understand if everyone thinks that just starry eyed BS from a Millsaps supporter, but my glasses aren't as rose-colored as some think regarding Millsaps sports.

Well anyway, that's my Sunday morning take and now my batch of family reunion photos have been processed by the noise reduction software and the British Open and Tour de France are cranking up, so I'll follow those two events while editing photos.  BTW, according to the countdown clock on the Millsaps webpage, it's only 48 days, 10 hours, and 16 minutes until the opening kickoff for the Majors. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 19, 2009, 01:41:12 PM
QuoteOn the plus side, there are very few coaches who could have inherited the 2005 Millsaps football team and turned it into a 2006 SCAC Championship team.  It's a fact that after 30 years of not being in the NCAA Playoffs, Millsaps has been 2 of the last 3 years and only the 2007 "College play of the year" prevented it from being 3 for 3.  The number of players participating are far higher than at any time in the past and Millsaps is playing a JV schedule for the first time ever.  And maybe most important of all, while growing the program and building this success, there is a tremendous sense of family about the team.  I understand if everyone thinks that just starry eyed BS from a Millsaps supporter, but my glasses aren't as rose-colored as some think regarding Millsaps sports.

Having said that, what are your thoughts on the 2009 edition of the Majors? Obviously it will be tough to replace #11, but overall, how do you see this year's team compared with last year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 19, 2009, 04:57:53 PM
Any TX Tiger fans out there that do facebook?  I started a fan group if you're interested.  http://www.new.facebook.com/group.php?gid=102436688830&ref=mf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 19, 2009, 09:17:26 PM
Lordy, only a little more than a month until Kickoff 2009 (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff) is available.  I can't wait!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 20, 2009, 08:30:16 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 19, 2009, 01:41:12 PM
QuoteOn the plus side, there are very few coaches who could have inherited the 2005 Millsaps football team and turned it into a 2006 SCAC Championship team.  It's a fact that after 30 years of not being in the NCAA Playoffs, Millsaps has been 2 of the last 3 years and only the 2007 "College play of the year" prevented it from being 3 for 3.  The number of players participating are far higher than at any time in the past and Millsaps is playing a JV schedule for the first time ever.  And maybe most important of all, while growing the program and building this success, there is a tremendous sense of family about the team.  I understand if everyone thinks that just starry eyed BS from a Millsaps supporter, but my glasses aren't as rose-colored as some think regarding Millsaps sports.

Having said that, what are your thoughts on the 2009 edition of the Majors? Obviously it will be tough to replace #11, but overall, how do you see this year's team compared with last year?


D3_DPUFan--Giving a preview is a great way to get Millsaps fans irritated with me.  Honest opinions in a setting as passionate as college football have a tendency to rub someone the wrong way regardless of what a person says.  However, I'll give a big picture view of what I see in the Millsaps program overall and what I think that will mean for the 2009 season. 

I'll have to write this up as a word document and then cut and paste to the BB later today or this evening.  That way I can work on it a few minutes here and there while waiting on various reports to print and jobs to finish.  Also, for some reason my PC at work is having problems with this message board entry screen.  Since I didn't have problems  on the home PC, my guess is that some odd editing option has been turned on or off on my work computer.  It's very annoying.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 20, 2009, 10:45:24 AM
Sounds good, Frank...thank you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 20, 2009, 08:51:23 PM
While trying to compose a preview for the 2009 Millsaps football team, I was keenly aware of my lack of qualifications.  My knowledge of the sport is no more than that of a casual fan, and despite attending all of the Millsaps home games for the last 4 years, I really haven't had the opportunity to watch a game because of the photography.  On the other hand, sometimes a person can see a lot when they don't get fixated on the details:

For my preview of the Millsaps 2009 season, I have to go back to the 2005 season.  Millsaps won 24-23 in the 2005 season opener over Concordia-Selma.  The next win, and only other win in their 2-7 season, came 7 games later as they squeaked by Rhodes 30-29 in a battle to avoid the SCAC cellar.  Millsaps was outscored that year by a 315-155 margin.  The scoring margin for the first half was far worse at 178-66.  

That was the program Coach DuBose inherited when he was promoted to head coach in late spring of 2006.  At the start of the 2006 season DuBose said that he was going to put in a new defense and it wasn't going to be pretty for the first few games.  He was right as Millsaps went 0-3 and gave up 128 points.  Since those first 3 games, Millsaps has gone 19-1 in the SCAC and 26-4 overall.  Those 4 losses were the 2 in the NCAA playoffs, the Millsaps controversial game against MS College, and Trinity's "Miracle in Mississippi".  

That's not a fluke.  That's not a case of a guy inheriting a bunch of star players and getting an early boost because of great recruiting by the previous coach.  DuBose took a very bad team that had some talent but very little depth and in one year he turned them into conference champions.  In his second season, two poor decisions cost the team an undefeated regular season--using the 4th quarter of the MC game to give playing experience to the JV players and poor clock management that gave Trinity 2 seconds for one final play.  With lessons learned from year two, the third season was an undefeated regular season with the closest game being a 17-point victory.  I see a pattern.

Trying to predict the strength of Millsaps for 2009 really comes down to 2 options:

1)  Do you think about the departure of Juan Joseph and a group of 20 seniors/12 starters and come to the conclusion that Millsaps has to have a down year after such a loss to graduation ( the departures are included in this 2009 preview from the Millsaps website:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/6/14/FB_0614092146.aspx )

2)  Or, do you think the team will be even stronger in 2009 because the first full recruiting class has now made it to their junior year, the JV program has had a couple of years to produce, and plenty of guys got lots of playing time in the big wins during 2008?  I'm leaning in this direction.

I have this gut feeling that Millsaps will be stronger in 2009 than they were in 2008.  Without knowing for sure who is coming back from last year's team and having no clue about how much help is coming from freshmen and transfers, this is really about my faith in the program.  I know someone is going to ask which flavor of Kool-aid I like, cherry or grape, but I'm just looking at the numbers of what has happened in the past and carrying those forward to the future.  That seems valid until Millsaps gets to the point of having 4 full recruiting classes on campus.

Well, that's my preview and I'm not sure if it's worth much.  With Millsaps starting off with MC, Belhaven, Austin, Trinity and DePauw, it won't take long to see how strong the Majors are in 2009.  And with Trinity and DePauw coming so early, it will be interesting to see just how Coach DuBose plays the MC and Belhaven games--I don't think he'll use the JV but I bet a lot of guys will see the field in those non-conference games. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on July 21, 2009, 09:24:00 AM
Spud will throw for a million yards in '09, and Trinity will be Trinity, but I can't help believe that the 2009 SCAC champion will still have to go through Milsaps. I agree with Frank that many non-starters returning for the Majors this season have gotten a lot of playing time past two seasons and valuable exposure to "big game" situations and will be pretty motivated to show that their team was/is more than just J.Joseph.

I'm not saying that MC cannot be challenged, but I don't think they will tumble from the top without a real fight.

Also, don't forget that each SCAC game will be even bigger this season because there will be ONLY 6 conference games this season without Colorado College and with Birmingham in it's final "provisional" season.

Will anyone "run the table"? Will someone "upset" a contender to throw a wrench in the works? This may be a very exciting fall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 21, 2009, 10:57:04 AM
QuoteSpud will throw for a million yards in '09, and Trinity will be Trinity, but I can't help believe that the 2009 SCAC champion will still have to go through Milsaps. I agree with Frank that many non-starters returning for the Majors this season have gotten a lot of playing time past two seasons and valuable exposure to "big game" situations and will be pretty motivated to show that their team was/is more than just J.Joseph.

I'm not saying that MC cannot be challenged, but I don't think they will tumble from the top without a real fight.

Also, don't forget that each SCAC game will be even bigger this season because there will be ONLY 6 conference games this season without Colorado College and with Birmingham in it's final "provisional" season.

Will anyone "run the table"? Will someone "upset" a contender to throw a wrench in the works? This may be a very exciting fall.

I think your comments are right on, especially that this could
Quotebe a very exciting fall.
...Millsaps is losing alot, but they will be a very, very tough opponent for every team in the league. To me, the league will be tougher, top to bottom, than it was last year. While everybody talks about DePauw, Millsaps and  Trinity...add in Austin, Rhodes and and Centre and that presents a pretty challenging conference...especially when you factor in the travel and how some teams play especially tough at home. Should be fun!     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 21, 2009, 11:16:49 AM
Since the SCAC website has been redesigned since last season (very nice, by the way), some folks may have some trouble locating past years' statistics ... here's some helpful links:

2008 SCAC Football Season Statistics home:
http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/stats/confstat.htm

2008 SCAC Football Season Team & Conference Leaders Statistics:
http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/stats/confldrs.htm

Previous years' stats are available starting from this Archives page:
http://scacsports.com/information/archives




I do agree with recent commentary that the 2009 season can be anybody's race to win (or lose) ... many fine athletes are returning from successful 2008 campaigns and many more will get their chance to step up and make a difference this year.

Hope to make most if not all of the TU games this year ... a rough start for the Texas Tigers with four consecutive road games in September at McMurry, TLU, Rhodes, and Millsaps.  Then, beginning in October, they finish the season with 4 of 6 at home.  If they can start strong and stay healthy, they will contend for the SCAC title again this year.  We shall see ...

Go TU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 21, 2009, 11:45:28 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 21, 2009, 10:57:04 AM
...Millsaps is losing alot, but they will be a very, very tough opponent for every team in the league. To me, the league will be tougher, top to bottom, than it was last year. While everybody talks about DePauw, Millsaps and  Trinity...add in Austin, Rhodes and and Centre and that presents a pretty challenging conference...especially when you factor in the travel and how some teams play especially tough at home. Should be fun!     

I firmly believe that Sewanee is going to beat somebody they shouldn't this year.  That team is going in the right direction.  Robert Black knows what's going on up on the mountain, and they're going to surprise somebody who isn't ready to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 21, 2009, 12:10:57 PM
QuoteI firmly believe that Sewanee is going to beat somebody they shouldn't this year.  That team is going in the right direction.  Robert Black knows what's going on up on the mountain, and they're going to surprise somebody who isn't ready to play.

Astute observation as usual, Wes. The Indiana Tigers will be hiking up the mountain in late September for a game that will probably be played in 80 degree heat and 90% humdity....they had better be prepared for a fight.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 21, 2009, 12:54:28 PM
I know I've mentioned it before here, but the team that has impressed me the most in terms of elevating from a bottom dweller into a legitimate competitor is Austin...I think Ronnie Gage and the boys in Sherman have things headed in the right direction as well...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 21, 2009, 08:46:25 PM

I stumbled across a piece written on Juan Joseph from last November...interesting reading.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/83842-a-tale-of-two-qbs-the-divergent-paths-of-ryan-perrilloux-and-juan-joseph/show_full
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2009, 09:11:24 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 21, 2009, 08:46:25 PM

I stumbled across a piece written on Juan Joseph from last November...interesting reading.


http://bleacherreport.com/articles/83842-a-tale-of-two-qbs-the-divergent-paths-of-ryan-perrilloux-and-juan-joseph/show_full


QuoteOn Saturday, Nov. 22, 2008, the Millsaps Majors will line up on Harper Davis Field in Jackson, Mississippi as the D3Football.com No. 4-ranked team in the nation, and the top seed in the Division III Football Tournament South Region.  They will field an offense that averages over 445 yards and 44 points per game.

And they will be led by a 6'1", 188-pound senior quarterback that has passed for 28 touchdowns, run for four more, and is eighth in the nation in total offense.  That quarterback is Juan Joseph.

Under the tutelage of former Alabama head coach Mike DuBose, Joseph has flourished in the spread offense run by Hal Mumme pupil John David Caffey.  Both Caffey and DuBose made it clear in a Clarion-Ledger piece in October of 2008 that "Juan could play for most anybody. He's what you want, especially in the spread offense."

:)

Hal Mumme is the new McMurry Head Coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DGPugh on July 21, 2009, 09:55:54 PM
Ralph

Mumme 'lite it up' at Kentucky. i don't expect yall to run a wing T, a bone, or even the Ga Tech version of an option... i suspect yall might pass a little  ;) 

i remember him hauling that croud into Jordan-Hare... my they could move the ball, i would call him an offensive innovator (even by SEC standards)

keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on July 22, 2009, 07:11:42 AM
I believe Frank is on the right track with his prognostication for the
Majors.  Perhaps offense drops off a bit, but the defense improves.  I think Dubose has a good handle on the situation and Millsaps will continue to be formiable going forward.  Now you may go taste some of that grape-flavored concoction you were referring to earlier, Frank.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 22, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
Not football-related but we discussed it here:  Centenary will be moving to D3 (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/07/22/centenary-moves-to-division-iii.html).  No doubt there will be more anguished columns from the local sportswriter fearing this will cost him his job.

"This is one part of an overall wide-ranging plan which will be implemented by incoming president Dr. David Rowe" - that would be Dr. Rowe of the SCAC (Southwestern baccalaureate) background who got a masters from Emory and was formerly at LaGrange.  

It will be interesting to see if they pursue the ASC, SCAC, or other options.

EDIT:  Here's the story from "can't see the forest for the trees" Jimmy Watson:  Centenary takes dive into Division III (http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090722/SPORTS02/907220326).  He claims the SCAC has already rejected Centenary.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 22, 2009, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2009, 09:11:24 PM
Hal Mumme is the new McMurry Head Coach.

Hmmm.  In last year's season opener in S.A., TU beat McMurry badly (48-18), out-rushing McM 211 to 159 and out-passing them 207 to 170 (21-33-1 to 10-25-4).  McM scored only 1 FG and three TD receptions ... halftime score was 34-10. IMHO Trinity's offense took their foot off the gas in the second half, but TU's D had two INT's in the 3rd and two more in the 4th quarter.  Without those turnovers, it might have been a tighter game.  (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/stats/tunc1.htm)

The TU Tigers might oughta be careful about underestimating their trip to Abilene for the season opener on Sep 5th.  McMurry has a new coach and will probably display a new attitude.  McM QB Taylor Penn and 3 of his leading 4 receivers should return this season.  They're likely to be prepared to avenge last year's whuppin' and their winless season.  An opening McM win could make a statement to the rest of Texas D3 football and send a wakeup call to the ASC.  And, a first-game defeat could dash TU's chances for a Pool C bid ... they'd have to run the SCAC table to get the auto-bid.

Do your summer homework, Tigers ... there could be a storm a-brewin' to the north ... only 45 days 'til kickoff.
8)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2009, 12:36:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 22, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
Not football-related but we discussed it here:  Centenary will be moving to D3 (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/07/22/centenary-moves-to-division-iii.html).  No doubt there will be more anguished columns from the local sportswriter fearing this will cost him his job.

"This is one part of an overall wide-ranging plan which will be implemented by incoming president Dr. David Rowe" - that would be Dr. Rowe of the SCAC (Southwestern baccalaureate) background who got a masters from Emory and was formerly at LaGrange. 

It will be interesting to see if they pursue the ASC, SCAC, or other options.
As much as we would love to have a school with the reputation and tradition of Centenary in the ASC-East, I will bet that they are courted by the SCAC, the conference in which the peer institutions from Association of Colleges of the South ( www.colleges.edu) compete.

Does that improve the chances for UDallas and maybe Berry College (GA) to gain admittance in the SCAC?

BSC can be a full member in 2012.

Berry College can join D-III this year and be a full member by 2013.

Centenary LA can be a full D-III member in 2015.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 22, 2009, 01:38:23 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on July 22, 2009, 12:29:38 PM

Hmmm.  In last year's season opener in S.A., TU beat McMurry badly (48-18), out-rushing McM 211 to 159 and out-passing them 207 to 170 (21-33-1 to 10-25-4).  McM scored only 1 FG and three TD receptions ... halftime score was 34-10. IMHO Trinity's offense took their foot off the gas in the second half, but TU's D had two INT's in the 3rd and two more in the 4th quarter.  Without those turnovers, it might have been a tighter game.  (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2008-09/stats/tunc1.htm)

The TU Tigers might oughta be careful about underestimating their trip to Abilene for the season opener on Sep 5th.  McMurry has a new coach and will probably display a new attitude.  McM QB Taylor Penn and 3 of his leading 4 receivers should return this season.  They're likely to be prepared to avenge last year's whuppin' and their winless season.  An opening McM win could make a statement to the rest of Texas D3 football and send a wakeup call to the ASC.  And, a first-game defeat could dash TU's chances for a Pool C bid ... they'd have to run the SCAC table to get the auto-bid.

Do your summer homework, Tigers ... there could be a storm a-brewin' to the north ... only 45 days 'til kickoff.
8)
I have to admire your clever way of creating your own TU bulletin board material.  +k  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 22, 2009, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2009, 12:36:59 PM

Does that improve the chances for UDallas and maybe Berry College (GA) to gain admittance in the SCAC?
I was thinking about UDallas when I first read this also.  Do they actually want in?  I haven't seen anything lately.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2009, 01:50:39 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 22, 2009, 01:41:04 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 22, 2009, 12:36:59 PM

Does that improve the chances for UDallas and maybe Berry College (GA) to gain admittance in the SCAC?
I was thinking about UDallas when I first read this also.  Do they actually want in?  I haven't seen anything lately.
Yes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 22, 2009, 02:25:52 PM
QuoteI believe Frank is on the right track with his prognostication for the
Majors.  Perhaps offense drops off a bit, but the defense improves.

How does the defense improve?  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 22, 2009, 09:05:09 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 22, 2009, 02:25:52 PM
QuoteI believe Frank is on the right track with his prognostication for the
Majors.  Perhaps offense drops off a bit, but the defense improves.

How does the defense improve?  ???

While that wasn't my comment about the defense improving, I do have a response.  Last year Millsaps lost the time of possession stat in just about every game, coming in at just under 28:00 per game.  I do think that the departure of Juan Joseph and the return of 3 very good running backs is good reason to think that Millsaps will be somewhat more of a ball control offense this year. 

As indicated by the above question, the Millsaps defense has been very good in recent years.  The best way to make them better is to give them more rest by winning the time of possession battle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 22, 2009, 09:15:49 PM
QuoteWhile that wasn't my comment about the defense improving, I do have a response.  Last year Millsaps lost the time of possession stat in just about every game, coming in at just under 28:00 per game.  I do think that the departure of Juan Joseph and the return of 3 very good running backs is good reason to think that Millsaps will be somewhat more of a ball control offense this year.  

As indicated by the above question, the Millsaps defense has been very good in recent years.  The best way to make them better is to give them more rest by winning the time of possession battle.

At the end of the day, it's talented players making plays that make for a good defense (or offense or special teams for that matter). But your take is an interesting one. For sure, that offense scored quickly on many posessions...and it makes sense that the D could benefit from a blow here and there...especially in the heat and humidity down south!  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 22, 2009, 11:04:04 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 22, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
Not football-related but we discussed it here:  Centenary will be moving to D3 (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/07/22/centenary-moves-to-division-iii.html)
EDIT:  Here's the story from "can't see the forest for the trees" Jimmy Watson:  Centenary takes dive into Division III (http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090722/SPORTS02/907220326).  He claims the SCAC has already rejected Centenary.

That has to be one of the most angst-soaked columns I've ever read.

I'm not sure which was most pathetic, the fact that he had to use "baseball hall of famer Cal Hubbard" as the best example of the history of Centenary baseball (history is the right word, because ol' Cal played at Centenary in the 1920s and never played major league baseball, rather, he was an umpire) or the CFO and lawyer from White Electric who is weeping as he rewrites his will because his school will be compared to East Texas Baptist and Louisiana College (rather than thinking that his school will also be compared to, say, Trinity and Wash U.).

No, on second thought, the most pathetic part was clearly the lawyer.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 22, 2009, 11:19:08 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 22, 2009, 09:05:09 PM
Last year Millsaps lost the time of possession stat in just about every game, coming in at just under 28:00 per game.  I do think that the departure of Juan Joseph and the return of 3 very good running backs is good reason to think that Millsaps will be somewhat more of a ball control offense this year. 

As indicated by the above question, the Millsaps defense has been very good in recent years.  The best way to make them better is to give them more rest by winning the time of possession battle.

That may be true, but regardless of what the offense does, if the four new faces in that secondary don't get a handle on things quickly, it's going be your offensive line that's out of gas.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 23, 2009, 02:32:39 AM
We'll find out about that defensive secondary right off the bat as Millsaps opens up with MS College and quarterback Adam Shaffer.  While MS College probably won't have Shaffer throwing 53 passes like he did against Millsaps in 2008, they undoubtedly will throw enough to probe for weaknesses. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 23, 2009, 03:06:04 AM
Quote from: Tennessee_papa on July 22, 2009, 11:04:04 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 22, 2009, 12:25:00 PM
Not football-related but we discussed it here:  Centenary will be moving to D3 (http://www.d3hoops.com/notables/2009/07/22/centenary-moves-to-division-iii.html)
EDIT:  Here's the story from "can't see the forest for the trees" Jimmy Watson:  Centenary takes dive into Division III (http://www.shreveporttimes.com/article/20090722/SPORTS02/907220326).  He claims the SCAC has already rejected Centenary.

That has to be one of the most angst-soaked columns I've ever read.

I'm not sure which was most pathetic, the fact that he had to use "baseball hall of famer Cal Hubbard" as the best example of the history of Centenary baseball (history is the right word, because ol' Cal played at Centenary in the 1920s and never played major league baseball, rather, he was an umpire) or the CFO and lawyer from White Electric who is weeping as he rewrites his will because his school will be compared to East Texas Baptist and Louisiana College (rather than thinking that his school will also be compared to, say, Trinity and Wash U.).

No, on second thought, the most pathetic part was clearly the lawyer.

The most interesting thing about the column is the section with comments.  It's a back and forth between the emotional posts of Centenary D1 supporters and several of the well known participants from the D3 boards who are armed with a boatload of facts. 

I'm not going to come down too hard on the Centenary folks because I would be up in arms if Millsaps announced a move to D1 athletics.  It's the student/athlete aspect of D3 that continues to draw my support and I would lose interest if Millsaps switched over to athlete/students.  It makes sense that the major boosters at Centenary are people who find competing in the highest division of the NCAA appealing, and it would be unreasonable to think that these boosters would embrace a move to D3 sports right away.  Hopefully they will come around in time and continue to support their school and the athletes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 23, 2009, 09:57:51 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 23, 2009, 03:06:04 AM

I'm not going to come down too hard on the Centenary folks because I would be up in arms if Millsaps announced a move to D1 athletics.  It's the student/athlete aspect of D3 that continues to draw my support and I would lose interest if Millsaps switched over to athlete/students.  It makes sense that the major boosters at Centenary are people who find competing in the highest division of the NCAA appealing, and it would be unreasonable to think that these boosters would embrace a move to D3 sports right away.  Hopefully they will come around in time and continue to support their school and the athletes.

What I find interesting is how many people think Centenary is going dry up and blow away because they're getting rid of a mediocre D1 program that nobody followed to begin with.   I hope they prove the doubters wrong, just like Birmingham-Southern has been able to do.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tennessee_papa on July 23, 2009, 11:21:09 AM
frank, I can understand that people would be upset and I can sympathize with people who are worried about a change.

But the bottom line is that Centenary's primary function is something other than providing sports entertainment to the fine people of NW Louisiana.  Or providing the opportunity for Jimmy Watson to write about Big Time College Sports. 

As if the Summit League is terribly relevant in D1 anyway.

Honestly, 1000  or so students is just to darn small to compete in D1 anyway........
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 23, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
In the late 1980's Cal Lutheran, was basically in the same boat as Centenary.  I believe they are very happy with their decision to go to D3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on July 23, 2009, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 23, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
In the late 1980's Cal Lutheran, was basically in the same boat as Centenary.  

I take your point, but was Cal Lutheran ever NCAA D1? As I recall they were NAIA [maybe scholarship?] before coming to their senses and then moving up to NCAA D3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 23, 2009, 04:08:02 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on July 23, 2009, 03:39:04 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on July 23, 2009, 01:51:13 PM
In the late 1980's Cal Lutheran, was basically in the same boat as Centenary.  

I take your point, but was Cal Lutheran ever NCAA D1? As I recall they were NAIA [maybe scholarship?] before coming to their senses and moving upto NCAA D3.
As I recall, they were a DII type school trying to go DI (see the link below for a list of their opponents - I think they were in some kind of league made up of these schools).  They had built from NAIA and winning the National Championship shortly after their founding literally kept them from bancruptcy by drawing more students.  The coach, Bob Shoup, was guaranteed a lifetime job by the president.  When they decided to go D3, he retired kicking and screaming

QuoteHe also brought the university's first football coach, Robert Shoup, to the campus in 1962. Shoup used an orange orchard for football practice and used the local high school stadium for home games for the first two seasons. He won 13 NAIA District 3 Championships in 17 years. The Kingsmen appeared in the playoffs five times, winning the NAIA National Championship in 1971. He was named NAIA Coach of the Year in 1971. As the head coach of the Kingsmen he was named in the Who's Who in America and the #1 winning university college football coach in California up to the time he quit coaching in 1988, and ninth among coaches at any level of college football nationally. His football teams were listed in the top 10 winningest college football teams over the last 50 years with a 182-81-6 record,

http://www.fanbase.com/California-Lutheran-Kingsmen-Football-1988
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on July 23, 2009, 04:23:12 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 07, 2009, 02:41:58 PM
Congrats to AC Coach Ronnie Gage...will be inducted into the Texas H.S. Coaches Association Hall of Honor later this month...story on the SCAC website...

Today is induction day in Austin, Texas for Ronnie Gage. I join D3_DPUFan and others in congratulating him for this very special honor in the Lone Star State !

Short of going 6-0 {which I neither predict or expect}, could the Roo's accomplish anything in conference play this fall that would garner him some consideration for SCAC coach of the year? Who votes on post season awards for the conference?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on July 23, 2009, 04:26:35 PM
An update on Austin College's coach Ronnie Gage and his induction into the  Texas High School Coaches Association Hall of Honor...

I was present yesterday in Austin for the Balfour Luncheon where the induction took place.  I would like everyone to know Ronnie gave an emotional and inspiring acceptance speech for this prestigious award.  A plaque, which will now hang on the wall at the THSCA headquarters office in San Marcos, was presented.


I have also been somewhat reluctant to post this personal information about Coach Gage, but I know the D3 football community will handle it with grace and pray for Ronnie and his family.  About eight weeks ago, Ronnie and his wife lost one of their three children, a daughter, to the ravages of cancer.  She was a beautiful young lady who was recently married.  She passed away at home with the family at her side.  Ronnie accepted his award in Austin by dedicating it to the honor of his courageous daughter.  

Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers in the upcoming season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 23, 2009, 06:21:38 PM
QuoteI have also been somewhat reluctant to post this personal information about Coach Gage, but I know the D3 football community will handle it with grace and pray for Ronnie and his family.  About eight weeks ago, Ronnie and his wife lost one of their three children, a daughter, to the ravages of cancer.  She was a beautiful young lady who was recently married.  She passed away at home with the family at her side.  Ronnie accepted his award in Austin by dedicating it to the honor of his courageous daughter.  

Please keep him in your thoughts and prayers in the upcoming season.

Wow. God speed to her and to the Gage family. I wil include them in my daily salvo up to the Big Man.

I have never met Coach Gage, but I was so impressed with the way in which people talked about him when we were in Sherman...sorry to hear about his loss.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on July 23, 2009, 07:00:06 PM
I had the wrong day, but the right sentiment. Thanks Roocru for the remarks about Coach Gage. Am so very glad you were there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 25, 2009, 11:06:07 AM
Practice starts in less than 3 weeks!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 26, 2009, 06:15:59 PM
DPU Tigers still looking for 10th game...any takers out there??? ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 27, 2009, 08:10:03 AM

Millsaps's no. 2 quarterback last year was Burt Pereira, a WR who saw significant playing time and has graduated.  Does that say anything about who's coming up for the Majors at that position?  It seems like they might have had one guy on the roster that could prevent the back up from having to learn two positions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 27, 2009, 09:54:59 AM
QuoteMillsaps's no. 2 quarterback last year was Burt Pereira, a WR who saw significant playing time and has graduated.  Does that say anything about who's coming up for the Majors at that position?  It seems like they might have had one guy on the roster that could prevent the back up from having to learn two positions.

Interesting. I remember Pereira as a pretty good player. Certainly doesn't seem as though there is an heir apparent...wonder if they got any hotshot QB's in this year's recruiting class...Whoever it is, he'll have some big shoes to fill!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on July 27, 2009, 03:09:13 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on July 27, 2009, 08:10:03 AM

Millsaps's no. 2 quarterback last year was Burt Pereira, a WR who saw significant playing time and has graduated.  Does that say anything about who's coming up for the Majors at that position?  It seems like they might have had one guy on the roster that could prevent the back up from having to learn two positions.

Just FYI, Frank can chime in here too, but Pereira played mainly at the wideout spot while at Millsaps.  He did play some QB in his junior year if I recall correctly, but WR was his main spot for playing time.  For the most part, Chris Graves was the back-up to Joseph last year.  Chris returns as a senior this year and does have some time under center in games over the last few years.  I copied this off the Millsaps website:

6 Chris Graves
Height: 6-2
Weight: 208
Class: Senior
Hometown: Covington, La.

2008: Played in a career-high 10 games during his junior year ... connected on 8 of 15 passes for 139 yards ... 153.17 pass efficiency ... threw his first career touchdown pass at Centre College on Oct. 11 ... threw a career-long 52 yard pass at Belhaven ... also rushed six times for no gain, including a 7-yard run vs MS College in a season-opening win.

2007: Academic All-SCAC selection ... appeared in four of the Majors' 10 games at the QB spot, completing 9 of 17 passes for 56 yards ... completed a season-best 6 of 13 passes for 48 yards at MS College in the season-opener ... longest pass went for 18 yards against the Choctaws.

2006: Appeared in five of the Majors' 11 games at the QB spot, completing 2 of 4 passes for 5 yards ... completed his first career pass against Huntingdon College on Sept. 16.




Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 27, 2009, 04:20:36 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on July 27, 2009, 08:10:03 AM

Millsaps's no. 2 quarterback last year was Burt Pereira, a WR who saw significant playing time and has graduated.  Does that say anything about who's coming up for the Majors at that position?  It seems like they might have had one guy on the roster that could prevent the back up from having to learn two positions.

I didn't think he wasn't that bad of a passer, actually.  Not nearly as good as Juan, obviously, but not bad for a guy who can move around pretty well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 27, 2009, 04:27:29 PM

Neither spent much time under center...

Chris Graves         10  153.17   8-15-0     53.3  139   1  52  13.9
Burt Pereira         12  198.08   8-10-0     80.0   62   2  19   5.2
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 27, 2009, 04:29:41 PM
DePauw ranked #15...nation's best party schools!  ;)


1. Penn State University, State College, Pa.
2. University of Florida, Gainesville, Fla.
3. University of Mississippi, University, Miss.
4. University of Georgia, Athens, Ga.
5. Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
6. West Virginia University, Morgantown, W.Va.
7. University of Texas, Austin, Texas
8. University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wis.
9. Florida State University, Tallahassee, Fla.
10. University of California-Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, Calif.
11. University of Colorado, Boulder, Colo.
12. University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
13. Union College, Schenectady, N.Y.
14. Indiana University, Bloomington, Ind.
15. DePauw University, Greencastle, Ind.
16. University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Tenn.
17. Sewanee: The University of the South, Sewanee, Tenn.
18. University of North Dakota, Grand Forks, N.D.
19. Tulane University, New Orleans, La.
20. Arizona State University, Tempe, Ariz.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 27, 2009, 05:45:36 PM
The Colorado College Bulletin reports on the decision to drop three sports.

There is a space for comments at the conclusion of the article.

http://blog.coloradocollege.edu/bulletin/2009/06/tough-times-tough-decisions-athletics-cuts-at-cc/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 27, 2009, 06:05:55 PM
Thanks for posting Ralph...nice that this Manning guy could get some ink in the CC fish wrap to defend the bush league way in which the school went through this "emotionally draining" process....give me a freaking break
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 27, 2009, 08:46:49 PM
Whether occupying a Governor's mansion in Columbus or the Prez's house in Colorado Springs, "Big" Dick Celeste continues to enhance his legacy...  ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 27, 2009, 09:12:14 PM
QuoteWhether occupying a Governor's mansion in Columbus or the Prez's house in Colorado Springs, "Big" Dick Celeste continues to enhance his legacy... 

Ha! That's the same guy? When I read that I thought nah, can't be...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cave2bens on July 28, 2009, 12:02:31 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 27, 2009, 09:12:14 PM

Ha! That's the same guy? When I read that I thought nah, can't be...

Google - So easy a caveman (for a couple of years, anyway) can do it!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2009, 07:48:37 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 27, 2009, 04:29:41 PM
DePauw ranked #15...nation's best party schools!  ;)


1. Penn State University, State College, Pa.
2. University of Florida, Gainesville, Fla.
3. University of Mississippi, University, Miss.
4. University of Georgia, Athens, Ga.
5. Ohio University, Athens, Ohio
6. West Virginia University, Morgantown, W.Va.
7. University of Texas, Austin, Texas
8. University of Wisconsin, Madison, Wis.
9. Florida State University, Tallahassee, Fla.
10. University of California-Santa Barbara, Santa Barbara, Calif.
11. University of Colorado, Boulder, Colo.
12. University of Iowa, Iowa City, Iowa
13. Union College, Schenectady, N.Y.
14. Indiana University, Bloomington, Ind.
15. DePauw University, Greencastle, Ind.
16. University of Tennessee, Knoxville, Tenn.
17. Sewanee: The University of the South, Sewanee, Tenn.
18. University of North Dakota, Grand Forks, N.D.
19. Tulane University, New Orleans, La.
20. Arizona State University, Tempe, Ariz.


Two SCAC schools - way to represent!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on July 28, 2009, 09:11:03 AM
Been to Greencastle, been to Sewanee many times.   The party must be taking place in somebody's garage!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2009, 11:45:02 AM
OK, it's not football, but Centre's Chris Morris shot a tournament- and course-record 61 yesterday (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/mgolf/2009-10/news/morris_fires_61) to take the lead in the Oglethorpe Invitational over a bunch of D-1 golfers (and others).   Wow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 28, 2009, 11:45:26 AM
Depends upon the definition of "party", I guess ...   :-\

par·ty (pärt ē)    (from www.thefreedictionary.com)
n. pl. par·ties
1.
a. A social gathering especially for pleasure or amusement: a cocktail party.
b. A group of people who have gathered to participate in an activity.
2. An established political group organized to promote and support its principles and candidates for public office.
3.
a. A person or group involved in an enterprise; a participant or an accessory: I refuse to be a party to your silly scheme.
b. Law A person or group involved in a legal proceeding as a litigant.
4.
a. A subscriber to a telephone party line.
b. A person using a telephone.
5. A person: "And though Grainger was a spry old party, such steps couldn't be his" (Anthony Hyde).
6. A selected group of soldiers: a raiding party.
7. Slang
a. An act of sexual intercourse.
b. An orgy.

adj.
1. Of, relating to, or participating in an established political organization: party members; party politics.
2. Suitable for use at a social gathering: party dresses; a party hat.
3. Characteristic of a pleasurable social gathering: a party atmosphere.
intr.v. par·tied, par·ty·ing, par·ties
To celebrate or carouse at or as if at a party: That night we partied until dawn.

Wonder which one(s) were used when preparing this list?
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 28, 2009, 03:06:02 PM

Good catch on Sewanee, Ron...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2009, 03:55:07 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 28, 2009, 03:06:02 PM

Good catch on Sewanee, Ron...

Union is also a D3 school - who says we can't compete with the big boys ??   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 28, 2009, 03:58:34 PM
QuoteUnion is also a D3 school - who says we can't compete with the big boys ??   

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on July 28, 2009, 07:26:55 PM
Congrats to  Millsaps OG John Shivers being named to the  Pre-Season All America Team. Way to go John.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 28, 2009, 09:30:05 PM
QuoteCongrats to  Millsaps OG John Shivers being named to the  Pre-Season All America Team. Way to go John.

Ditto...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 29, 2009, 02:50:52 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on July 27, 2009, 08:10:03 AM

Millsaps's no. 2 quarterback last year was Burt Pereira, a WR who saw significant playing time and has graduated.  Does that say anything about who's coming up for the Majors at that position?  It seems like they might have had one guy on the roster that could prevent the back up from having to learn two positions.

If Juan Joseph had left Millsaps after his freshman year, Burt would have been the SCAC Offensive Player of the Year for at least 2 of the last 3 years.  What little drop off there might have been in the area of passing was somewhat covered by Burt being a better runner. 

Burt was a great potential quarterback and a great athlete, too good an athlete to have on the sideline holding a clipboard for 3 years as a backup.  He also was much more in the mold of Juan than Chris, so playing Burt in a pinch meant less changes to the overall scheme of things.

It's hard to judge Chris by his numbers or what one might have seen during his limited playing time over the last couple of years.  His playing time came mostly when Millsaps was trying to just run clock and not score--the one exception was the 4th quarter of the 2007 MC game, but even then he was trying to guide the Millsaps JV against the MC varsity. 

Without a doubt, Chris is not Juan, and if Chris is the starter this year then I expect the Millsaps team will go to a more balanced run/pass offense.  They had talked about more balance in the past, but it was just hard to get away from so much passing when the team had Juan Joseph surrounded by so many talented receivers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 30, 2009, 10:37:31 AM
Frank, interesting extrapolation.  Using your reasoning, if Juan Joseph and Burt Periera had left Millsaps football early, TU's Blake Barmore would have been the SCAC Offensive POY in 2007?  And DU's Spud Dick was OPOY in 2008. ?

Or the Arizona Cardinals would be reigning Super Bowl champs if Ben Roethlisberger had left the Pittsburgh Steelers?

I know you are a loyal Majors fan and proud of your team (as are we all of ours).  Joseph and Periera are certainly fine athletes and scholars.  That said, sorry, my friend, your conclusion is pure hogwash speculation.

there, that's a better word.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on July 30, 2009, 10:44:44 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on July 30, 2009, 10:37:31 AM
Frank, interesting extrapolation.  Using your reasoning, if Juan Joseph and Burt Periera had left Millsaps football early, TU's Blake Barmore would have been the SCAC Offensive POY in 2007?  And DU's Spud Dick was OPOY in 2008. ?

Or the Arizona Cardinals would be reigning Super Bowl champs if Ben Roethlisberger had left the Pittsburgh Steelers?

I know you are a loyal Majors fan and proud of your team (as are we all of ours).  Joseph and Periera are certainly fine athletes and scholars.  That said, sorry, my friend, your conclusion is pure hogwash.

I think Frank was just trying to give insight on Chris Graves and his playing time thus far under center at Millsaps.  He should have said "could" have won POY honors for Burt, but his main point was that Chris has big shoes to fill if he steps in under center this year for the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 30, 2009, 12:33:33 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on July 30, 2009, 10:37:31 AM
Frank, interesting extrapolation.  Using your reasoning, if Juan Joseph and Burt Periera had left Millsaps football early, TU's Blake Barmore would have been the SCAC Offensive POY in 2007?  And DU's Spud Dick was OPOY in 2008. ?

Or the Arizona Cardinals would be reigning Super Bowl champs if Ben Roethlisberger had left the Pittsburgh Steelers?

I know you are a loyal Majors fan and proud of your team (as are we all of ours).  Joseph and Periera are certainly fine athletes and scholars.  That said, sorry, my friend, your conclusion is pure hogwash.

Pure hogwash?  That's fairly strong.

I know what I saw over the last 3 years.  The numbers put up by Burt from 2006-08 as a backup quarterback, especially the times he played a complete game, back up my personal observations.  Millsaps would have successful with Burt running the offense, and with that success would have come the individual honors.  I respect your right to disregard the stats and label it all as loyalist hogwash--somehow no matter how hard a person tries to be objective, their views will always be seen as biased.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 30, 2009, 02:08:10 PM

Would have means didn't.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 30, 2009, 05:05:36 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 30, 2009, 12:33:33 PM
Pure hogwash?  That's fairly strong.

I know what I saw over the last 3 years.  The numbers put up by Burt from 2006-08 as a backup quarterback, especially the times he played a complete game, back up my personal observations.  Millsaps would have successful with Burt running the offense, and with that success would have come the individual honors.  I respect your right to disregard the stats and label it all as loyalist hogwash--somehow no matter how hard a person tries to be objective, their views will always be seen as biased.

Be honest, Frank - if anyone else had claimed a backup player would be the hands-down conference MVP given other circumstances, you'd be equally skeptical (if perhaps using terms other than 'hogwash').    He threw ten passes and had no starts in 2008, had one start (against Rhodes) in 2007,  pretty thin grounds from which to extrapolate an "MVP 2 of 3 years" claim.   No doubt he would have been a fine SCAC quarterback given the chance (and was when he did play).  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 30, 2009, 05:44:56 PM
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.riogranderootsandshoots.org%2Fhogwash.gif&hash=262a619ca7ba0763d04c5a20febbd99219ec831a)
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 30, 2009, 06:43:10 PM
Ron, I see your point and prefer the way you put it.  I personally believe that Millsaps with Burt at quarterback from 2006-08 would have won at least 2 SCAC championships and since the quarterback of the championship team is often picked as the MVP, especially if that team is big on the passing game, I didn't think my comment was outrageous.  I suspect that many of the Millsaps coaches would agree with my opinion, but maybe that belief is pure hogwash as well.

If anyone wants to look at the numbers for 2006-08, they will see that as a backup quarterback Burt's passing percentage was about 75%, his passer rating was higher than Juan's every year, and he averaged about 7 yards per running play.  Was he better than Juan?  Apparently not in the eyes of the coaches since Juan was the starter.  But you have to admit that for a guy who spent most of his time practicing at wide receiver, it's rather amazing what he could do when called upon with short notice.

But that's just BS from a Millsaps guy, so I guess I should end the discussion like that series of skits on the old Saturday Night Live:  "never mind".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 30, 2009, 09:59:42 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 30, 2009, 06:43:10 PM
... but maybe that belief is pure hogwash as well.

... end the discussion like that series of skits on the old Saturday Night Live:  "never mind".

Ease up a little, frank ... don't be so sensitive.  I'm only having a little fun with your premise.  You know I appreciate your insight into the Majors program and players ... I've told you so many times. 

The new season will be starting shortly and we'll soon have the future and present to discuss instead of the hypothetical past.  What could or would have been was not.  That's in fact why we all love sports ... it's always about the next game!

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffiles.blog-city.com%2Ffiles%2Faa%2F32486%2Fp%2Ff%2Femily-litella.jpg&hash=cea57ddba204b4e11fb7cbea22630c75305a7452)
never mind!
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on July 31, 2009, 03:40:28 AM
I've seen Pereira throw the football a few times, and he's not a bad passer.  He's really not.  I don't think Millsaps is running the same offensive system if he's the QB instead of Juan.  Juan could make all the throws better than just about any QB who has come through this conference in this decade. 

Burt reminds me a lot of a Ross Wiethoff type.  He probably won't beat you with spectacular throws, but his legs create some passing lanes that wouldn't normally be there.  He's not going to squeeze it in the window between the corner and the safety, but his legs can get you 15 yards on a pivotal 3rd and 8.  I don't think Millsaps is nearly as dynamic of an offense with him at the helm instead of #11, and I'm not sure I think he's a conference MVP, but I do believe he would have been more than capable of leading that team. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 02, 2009, 03:22:53 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 25, 2009, 11:06:07 AM
Practice starts in less than 3 weeks!  :)

The Roo's report on Sunday 8-16-09.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2009, 01:40:09 PM
The 2009 d3football.com preseason poll (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2009/week-0) is out.

The only SCAC team ranked is DPU (at #25);  ARV are Millsaps ("#26") and Trinity ("#29").
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on August 04, 2009, 03:10:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2009, 01:40:09 PM
The 2009 d3football.com preseason poll (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2009/week-0) is out.

The only SCAC team ranked is DPU (at #25);  ARV are Millsaps ("#26") and Trinity ("#29").

Ron, what are your thoughts on the SCAC at this point?  Will Millsaps be as good without Joseph?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 04, 2009, 05:25:04 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on August 04, 2009, 03:10:29 PMRon, what are your thoughts on the SCAC at this point?  Will Millsaps be as good without Joseph?

That's the question, isn't it?  This year will help us see if Millsaps' recent success came from Juan, from the system Coach Dubose has installed, or both (which is my guess).  They will be a factor in the race for sure.

I think DPU is going to be quite good, they played very well at the end of the year (look what they did to Wabash) and didn't lose too much to graduation.

Trinity has to develop a new QB and they have an miserable schedule to start the season:  four consecutive road games, the last of which is at Millsaps - three games later, they're at DePauw.  They return a lot at the other skill positions.  If they can get through the first four weeks unscathed, look out, but it won't be easy.

BSC will continue to improve, Austin is getting better each year, either of them could surprise one of the favorites.  Sewanee should also be better, Rhodes and Centre are always hard to figure.

This is all based on vague recollections and memories so don't anyone get too upset if I got something wrong.  I'm buying Kickoff just like (hopefully) everyone else.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 04, 2009, 06:11:35 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on July 22, 2009, 12:29:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 21, 2009, 09:11:24 PM
Hal Mumme is the new McMurry Head Coach.

The TU Tigers might oughta be careful about underestimating their trip to Abilene for the season opener on Sep 5th.  McMurry has a new coach and will probably display a new attitude.  McM QB Taylor Penn and 3 of his leading 4 receivers should return this season. 

Do your summer homework, Tigers ... there could be a storm a-brewin' to the north ... only 45 days 'til kickoff.

Browsing the McMurry football website and found this story by McMurry's SID with more info on Coach Mumme and his 'Air Raid' attack history: http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/football/2009/7/27/072709fb2.asp

All 'do' respect to McMurry, indeed!   ;)

... now only 32 days until kickoff, Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 05, 2009, 07:06:48 PM
QuoteThat's the question, isn't it?  This year will help us see if Millsaps' recent success came from Juan, from the system Coach Dubose has installed, or both (which is my guess).  They will be a factor in the race for sure.

I think DPU is going to be quite good, they played very well at the end of the year (look what they did to Wabash) and didn't lose too much to graduation.

Trinity has to develop a new QB and they have an miserable schedule to start the season:  four consecutive road games, the last of which is at Millsaps - three games later, they're at DePauw.  They return a lot at the other skill positions.  If they can get through the first four weeks unscathed, look out, but it won't be easy.

BSC will continue to improve, Austin is getting better each year, either of them could surprise one of the favorites.  Sewanee should also be better, Rhodes and Centre are always hard to figure.

This is all based on vague recollections and memories so don't anyone get too upset if I got something wrong.  I'm buying Kickoff just like (hopefully) everyone else.

Pretty good overview, Ron...and I think you touch on what I think continues to be a strength of the league and that's the number of teams that can beat you on any given week. When teams like Centre and Rhodes are looming out there as middle of th epack teams and the Austin's and Sewanee's continue to get better, it makes for a pretty challenging schedule...especialy when you throw in the travel. Of course that travel has been pared down thanks to our friends in Colorado Springs. >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 06, 2009, 07:50:19 PM
less than two weeks before practice starts...things sure are quiet in here... ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 07, 2009, 08:01:42 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 06, 2009, 07:50:19 PM
less than two weeks before practice starts...things sure are quiet in here... ???

Well, heck, let me share a typical in-depth article on Trinity (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/Trinity_football_camp_starts_Aug_14.html) from the San Antonio Express-News.  We could talk about all the info there for picoseconds.

Meanwhile, the opening of the training camp for the new D2 program just up the street supposedly drew 20 media members. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tutiger on August 07, 2009, 02:58:50 PM
Anyone aware of any talk/consideration given to a Trinity/UIW game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2009, 03:38:15 PM
Seems unlikely. UIW would have nothing to gain by playing that game since they'd be expected to win by the uninformed populace but would likely lose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 07, 2009, 04:05:14 PM
If it was gonna happen, IMO would have happened this year.  UIW had their schedule set before CC dropped football.

UIW is not adverse to playing a D3 school, tho - they have Texas Lutheran on the home calendar for October 17th.  We all know how hard it is for ASC schools to find non-conference games; this keeps them from having to hop on a plane or play an NAIA school located further away.  TLU's not Trinity but should still give the neophytes a run for their money.    
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2009, 04:50:26 PM
Breaking news out of DePauw: http://bit.ly/lni7P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 07, 2009, 05:02:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2009, 04:50:26 PM
Breaking news out of DePauw: http://bit.ly/lni7P

Wow.   You wonder what's up there.   Walker had done such a good job the last few years.  Ironic in light of the story published just today (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/news.asp?id=23860) on the DPU website:

"If you combine the experience and talent level returning, the strength of our incoming class with the momentum from last year, you have a uniquely exciting atmosphere for the upcoming season," head coach Matt Walker said.

Good story for those looking for insight into the state of the program before today.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 07, 2009, 06:11:43 PM
I don't like this idea very much.  I really don't like this idea a week before camp.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 07, 2009, 06:59:33 PM
Think you guys know me as kind of a straight-shooter.  I'm not really the spin factory for DePauw athletics.  In a vacuum, I don't have a problem with the change.  I think Robby Long is a fantastic football coach.  He's got a good idea of how to manage his players and how to get the most out of them.  I think he'll do a great job as HFC. 

That said, it is the timing that alarming.  Not just a little alarming, either.  I don't care what program you are on what level - if you switch head coaches 36 days before you kickoff your season, there are going to be some issues.  There is no perfect transition in this situation. 

I think the only thing we can hope for at this point is that Walk isn't leaving for some serious family health or other personal issue, and that this was just a business decision.  That's what concerns me the most at this point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 07, 2009, 07:22:49 PM
You are right on the money, Wes. From a football standpoint, Coach Long will step in seamlessly. Ward and the rest of the staff are top notch. I'm praying for Coach Walker and his family...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 07, 2009, 07:44:35 PM
Amazing how quickly this news spread.  I just got off the phone with my son who just received a call from one of the coaches telling him the news.  He said they were shocked and that they just found out hours ago.  My son is shocked.  He described next week as being "weird", but Long is well respected and should do a good job.  My concern is coaching numbers.  I am sure Walker did all of the typical head coaching like duties - coordination, organization, issue resolution, negotiation, etc.  Other than special teams, he was not tied to a position.  Now Long has to pick that up as well as his current duties.  It will not be easy.  I wonder if Nick, as much as I hate to say it, will help.
Unfortunate timing............I think DePauw has a legitimate shot at doing something this year.  These things usually go one of 2 ways.  Either it brings the coaches and team together.  Or it distracts them to the extent they will lose when they should win and could snowball the wrong way.
I will not speculate on what happened to Matt.  He resigned as baseball coach as well.  I wish Matt and his family the best.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 07, 2009, 11:44:49 PM
Just saw the report on the news regarding Walker's resignation - just when it seemed things were becoming stabilized after the coaching merry-go-round before his tenure.  The timing raises eyebrows, but moreso the abrupt nature of the announcement.  Even as a Wabash alum, I don't like seeing this - Coach Walker was a worthy adversary.  Hopefully it's a business decision made by Matt on his terms, and not due to something family-related.  Unfortunate timing, regardless.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 08, 2009, 11:20:36 AM
I'm hearing through the grapevine that there be some kind of announcement later today about the situation.  I'm also getting word that this could be related to some sort of school policy and is not some kind of personal issue. 

Feel free to take that or leave it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 08, 2009, 11:50:09 AM
Wes, I think you are right.  The University would not make those moves that quickly in both sports, release a press release, and remove his picture/bio from the website if it is a personal situation.  He could have taken a leave of absence.  It certainly cannot be related to performance.  His record is good to very good in both sports.  The kids need to rally, put this behind them as best they can, and focus on the season.  Long is a no nonsense, old school kind of guy.  I think he will provide an atmosphere around the team where this is possible.  That said, I still have the same concerns with responsibilities I mentioned yesterday.  Walker took a lot off the plates of everyone else because he did not have a position to coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 08, 2009, 12:10:23 PM
QuoteWalker took a lot off the plates of everyone else because he did not have a position to coach.

fripp...actually he coached receivers. i am wondering who they get, or could get at this late date to come in?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 08, 2009, 12:57:57 PM
Damned shame if Walker isn't leaving on his own terms, let's hope that's not the case.  It would seem to fit the available evidence, tho.

Poll results, pre-termination:

Who's going to win the SCAC this season?

Austin -0 (0%)
BSC -0 (0%)
Centre -1 (3.7%)
DePauw -7 (25.9%)
Millsaps -6 (22.2%)
Rhodes -0 (0%)
Sewanee -0 (0%)
Trinity -13 (48.2%)


I've reset the vote totals so feel free to change (or not) and re-vote. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on August 08, 2009, 01:05:32 PM
Wow. I've known the Walker family all of my life. Walker's Dad has eight of my teeth in his collection (bicuspids for braces and my wisdom teeth - which were in my mouth all cattywhompus), and I've known both of his sons since they were little runts. (Ok, I was a runt, too...)

Just wow....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bearmo17 on August 08, 2009, 02:19:42 PM
Smedindy,
Aren't you on the wrong site? I agree with you I have known the walker family forever and am still trying to find out what really happened.

I take it you must be doing better... If I remember right you took some time off didn't you?

Take care and will I see you around something this football season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on August 08, 2009, 06:51:15 PM
Bearmo! Feeling better. Was out for three weeks.

Don't know if I will be back in Indiana for football season, but I will try.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 09, 2009, 06:07:53 PM
While the coaching change at DePauw adds an odd twist to the discussion, I don't see how a person could pick anyone except DePauw as the preseason favorite.  That's not to say that they will win or that I've lost faith in my Millsaps Majors, but look at all the things DePauw has going for them this year:

---41 returning lettermen including 17 starters from a team that went 8-2 in 2008.
---Millsaps and Trinity lost senior quarterbacks.  DePauw brings back a senior quarterback who led the SCAC last year in passing yards per game.
---DePauw lost 2 games last year:  at Millsaps and at Trinity.  Those games will both be home games this season.
---Millsaps will be traveling to Indiana the week after hosting Trinity.  It will be difficult for Millsaps to be at their physical and mental peak for that road game.
---DePauw has a bye the week before the Trinity game while the Tigers will be hosting the Tigers of Sewanee.
---And last but not least is motivation.  DePauw has been in the SCAC since 1998 and they have a piece of a tri-championship (2000) and a co-championship(2005), but no outright championship.  I suspect they had guys working just a little harder than usual in the offseason knowing they will never have a better situation for winning the title.

As mentioned above, that's the situation here in the preseason and it doesn't take into account outstanding recruits, injuries, players deciding not to return to a school, a bench warmer in 2008 becoming a star in 2009, and all the other unpredictable things that can and will happen in a football season.  Logically, I have to say that DePauw is the SCAC favorite at this time--in my heart I still think it will be Millsaps that comes out on top.  Speaking of which, I have a Millsaps post I'm going to add after this post.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 09, 2009, 06:51:52 PM
First regarding Millsaps, they have two new coaches and one is a name that should be familar to many of you.  Former player Ronnie Wheat has moved up from a student assistant coach to the full time coach of the outside linebackers.   If Ronnie can get this year's outside linebackers to play at anywhere near the intensity and effort that he showed as a player then the outside linebackers will be just fine this year.

Brett Borden was hired to coach the inside linebackers.  You can read more about him at this link:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/8/2/FB_0802090356.aspx .

Speaking of linebackers, maybe I shouldn't single out anyone in particular because I know Millsaps has a lot of good ones coming back, but keep and eye on Will Hawkins this year ( http://www.gomajors.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=381&path=football ).  Some of you know Will's name from baseball since he was the Offensive Player of the Year in the SCAC in 2009.  As a freshman Will seemed to be in on every tackle after a Millsaps kickoff.  As a sophomore Will had solid stats (5th on the team in tackles).  It just seems to me that he could be a Adam Hay type player next year with the speed to make tackles all over the field.

Back to the Millsaps team.  The first 5 games for Millsaps are at Mississippi College, Belhaven (a local NAIA team), at Austin, Trinity, and at DePauw.  Millsaps is a question mark to their opponents right now because of the departure of Juan Joseph.  How many of those questions do you think Coach DuBose is going to want to answer prior to game 4 against Trinty?  From what I've seen in the past, not many.

I'm not going to be surprised if Millsaps starts out 0-2 this season.  Playing MC and Belhaven on back-to-back weekends has the potential for being about as tough as the Trinity-DePauw combo, especially if Millsaps doesn't want to put all its cards out on the table.  If that happens, Millsaps fans need to remember 2006 when the first few games looked like a repeat of 2005, but things changed when SCAC play came around.

And finally, let me end this long post by mentioning that I will be posting very little or not at all during football season.  Most of you know that in September, October and November I'll be taking photos of Millsaps football, JV football, mens and womens soccer, cross country, volleyball, and maybe fall baseball.  Somewhere in there I'll also be working a full time job.  I'll definitely be reading, and should be back to post for basketball and baseball, but there are plenty of Millsaps fans who can and will fill in the gap during football if I don't post.  Plus, those folks actually know something about football so that's a bonus.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 10, 2009, 10:56:59 AM
QuoteWhile the coaching change at DePauw adds an odd twist to the discussion, I don't see how a person could pick anyone except DePauw as the preseason favorite.  That's not to say that they will win or that I've lost faith in my Millsaps Majors, but look at all the things DePauw has going for them this year:

---41 returning lettermen including 17 starters from a team that went 8-2 in 2008.
---Millsaps and Trinity lost senior quarterbacks.  DePauw brings back a senior quarterback who led the SCAC last year in passing yards per game.
---DePauw lost 2 games last year:  at Millsaps and at Trinity.  Those games will both be home games this season.
---Millsaps will be traveling to Indiana the week after hosting Trinity.  It will be difficult for Millsaps to be at their physical and mental peak for that road game.
---DePauw has a bye the week before the Trinity game while the Tigers will be hosting the Tigers of Sewanee.
---And last but not least is motivation.  DePauw has been in the SCAC since 1998 and they have a piece of a tri-championship (2000) and a co-championship(2005), but no outright championship.  I suspect they had guys working just a little harder than usual in the offseason knowing they will never have a better situation for winning the title.

As mentioned above, that's the situation here in the preseason and it doesn't take into account outstanding recruits, injuries, players deciding not to return to a school, a bench warmer in 2008 becoming a star in 2009, and all the other unpredictable things that can and will happen in a football season.  Logically, I have to say that DePauw is the SCAC favorite at this time--in my heart I still think it will be Millsaps that comes out on top.  Speaking of which, I have a Millsaps post I'm going to add after this post. 

You lay it out accurately, Frank...but we all know about playing games on paper. Your Majors and Trinity will be very tough games, in Greencastle or whereever they would be played...and don't forget teams like Centre, Rhodes and an improving Austin club. As others have said, I think this could be a very interesting season in the SCAC! :) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 10, 2009, 01:17:23 PM
Rumor is starting to make it's way around that Walk may have left to accept a new position.  I've gotten it from a couple of different places this morning.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 10, 2009, 07:17:17 PM
As peculiar as the timing of the latest the developement at DPU is on the surface I wonder if it is actually better for the football players than if it had happened sometime earlier.

-This close to the season perhaps the head coach spot will be the only one seeing a change. No time or need to shake up the staff.
-A solid, familiar, popular assistant head coach is taking the helm after a fair period alongside a very respected head coach. The transition could  be fairly seamless.
-IMO the young men at these intitutions are very resilient and highly motivated to succeed. If the players at DPU needed one more "reason to succeed", this may be it.
-Unless there has been some behind the scenes turmoil within the staff the coaches may also be a bit more determined and unified for 2009 as well.

I don't know... the Tigers already looked really good on paper going into the fall of 2009. Now they might be flat out dangerous. We appreciate you guys close to the DPU program keeping us informed. We are interested in the facts.

Anyway, it has been a strange, at times difficult offseason in the SCAC. I'm really glad we're about to all be back on the field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 10, 2009, 08:47:54 PM
QuoteAs peculiar as the timing of the latest the developement at DPU is on the surface I wonder if it is actually better for the football players than if it had happened sometime earlier.

-This close to the season perhaps the head coach spot will be the only one seeing a change. No time or need to shake up the staff.
-A solid, familiar, popular assistant head coach is taking the helm after a fair period alongside a very respected head coach. The transition could  be fairly seamless.
-IMO the young men at these intitutions are very resilient and highly motivated to succeed. If the players at DPU needed one more "reason to succeed", this may be it.
-Unless there has been some behind the scenes turmoil within the staff the coaches may also be a bit more determined and unified for 2009 as well.

I don't know... the Tigers already looked really good on paper going into the fall of 2009. Now they might be flat out dangerous. We appreciate you guys close to the DPU program keeping us informed. We are interested in the facts.
Quote

I hope you're right, Rooski. I will tell you this, interim Head Coach Robby Long has the respect and attention of the team; OC Dustin Ward and the rest of the staff have been together and wrere preparing together for the upcoming season. Perhaps this provides another rallying point for a team that already has lots of motivation heading into 2009. We'll see.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on August 10, 2009, 11:58:09 PM
I find it funny that there's more talk about Walker on the NCAC board than here!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on August 11, 2009, 01:44:43 AM
I will proudly be the first homer on the board to vote AC!
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 11, 2009, 03:08:48 PM
SCAC announced today it will hold its first-ever football media days (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09FootballMediaDays) ... Aug 24-27!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 11, 2009, 04:21:13 PM
QuoteSCAC announced today it will hold its first-ever football media days ... Aug 24-27!

Nice effort...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 12, 2009, 04:53:56 PM
Wow there's a train wreck of speculation and conjecture on Coach Walker's sudden departure from DPU over on the North Region football > NCAC board.  If I were "in the know", I'd speak up pretty soon ... this is getting ugly.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3546.0

Somebody start the season quick so we can talk about FOOTBALL!!

TU reports Friday morning ... let the games BEGIN!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 12, 2009, 05:08:51 PM
QuoteSomebody start the season quick so we can talk about FOOTBALL!!

Agree!!!!!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 13, 2009, 03:40:51 AM
Millsaps football players reported to the campus Wednesday.  The names of the freshmen have been added to the Millsaps roster.  Hasn't been enough time to post weight, height, high school stats or anything else, so all we know at the moment is that about 56 freshmen reported plus a couple of redshirt freshmen:

http://www.gomajors.com/roster.aspx?path=football&roster=18&
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 13, 2009, 07:22:13 AM
QuoteMillsaps football players reported to the campus Wednesday.  The names of the freshmen have been added to the Millsaps roster.  Hasn't been enough time to post weight, height, high school stats or anything else, so all we know at the moment is that about 56 freshmen reported plus a couple of redshirt freshmen:

http://www.gomajors.com/roster.aspx?path=football&roster=18&

Redshirt freshmen? Are there really redshirts in DIII? Aside from I guess medical redshirts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 13, 2009, 07:25:25 AM

Coverage in Champaign of Robby Long's promotion...

http://www.illinihq.com/news/football/2009/08/07/exillini_long_earns_promotion
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on August 13, 2009, 08:34:17 AM
Being Millsaps Mom I cannot wait for the backyard brawl and kickoff for football season. We will be again traveling this year from FL. Looking forward to my son's senior year, with almost a meloncholy feeling.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 13, 2009, 08:54:22 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 13, 2009, 07:25:25 AM

Coverage in Champaign of Robby Long's promotion...

http://www.illinihq.com/news/football/2009/08/07/exillini_long_earns_promotion

Coach Long must be a good ole' country boy ... this quote from the article sounds familiar:

"Most of the hay is in the barn as far as all the prep work and getting everything ready for camp," Long said.

Good one!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 13, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
Knowing that Ralph or Ron will eventually get around to finding these links on Millsaps freshman quarterback Tyler Caldwell, I'll save them the time:

http://www.cullmantimes.com/localsports/local_story_199003521.html


http://hsalabama.scout.com/2/819565.html

He certainly sounds like a strong candidate to start for Millsaps in the future.  How soon that future will come is the big question mark.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 13, 2009, 10:19:37 AM
QuoteCoach Long must be a good ole' country boy ... this quote from the article sounds familiar:

"Most of the hay is in the barn as far as all the prep work and getting everything ready for camp," Long said.

Good one!   

Indeed, I think he's more of an old school, get after it kind of coach. Played at the University of Illinois and has the respect and attention of the team. I think he will be great.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 13, 2009, 01:44:59 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 13, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
Knowing that Ralph or Ron will eventually get around to finding these links on Millsaps freshman quarterback Tyler Caldwell, I'll save them the time:

http://www.cullmantimes.com/localsports/local_story_199003521.html


http://hsalabama.scout.com/2/819565.html

He certainly sounds like a strong candidate to start for Millsaps in the future.  How soon that future will come is the big question mark.

My big question mark comes from this statement in the Cullman Times article:

Caldwell confirmed he has accepted a scholarship to play football for Dubose at Division III Millsaps College.

No wonder Dubose is getting such good players!   ;)

Seriously, sounds like he will be a great QB for Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 13, 2009, 02:48:47 PM
QuoteCaldwell confirmed he has accepted a scholarship to play football for Dubose at Division III Millsaps College.

AH HA! Finally, the smoking gun!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 13, 2009, 03:28:39 PM
Don't get TU_XXXX (I can't remember the numbers) started up about stories regarding D3 athletic scholarships.  I suspect that in many or even most cases, the mention of "accepting a scholarship" is the assumption of the writer and not the words of the athlete or his family.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 13, 2009, 03:35:14 PM
QuoteDon't get TU_XXXX (I can't remember the numbers) started up about stories regarding D3 athletic scholarships.  I suspect that in many or even most cases, the mention of "accepting a scholarship" is the assumption of the writer and not the words of the athlete or his family.

You are correct...I just couldn't pass up an opportunity for a good natured shot. ;) Glad that football is just around the corner. I like what the SCAC is doing with its Media Days and streaming it on the net...will be fun to hear what's happening around the league. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 14, 2009, 11:58:37 AM
Too bad Colorado College did not follow the example of UW-LaCrosse listed below;


Updated Message from UW-La Crosse Chancellor Gow Regarding Baseball and Men's Tennis

For Immediate Release: Tuesday, Aug. 11, 2009 - 5:10 p.m.

La Crosse, Wis. – The following is an updated message from University of Wisconsin-La Crosse Chancellor Joe Gow regarding the Eagles' baseball and men's tennis programs:

I'm delighted to report that we've just learned that UW-L baseball and men's tennis have both raised enough funding to be continued for the 2009-2010 season. Thanks to the generosity of so many donors who want to be sure these programs continue at UW-L both sports now have in hand the monies needed to compensate their coaches and pay minimal expenses for the coming year.

As of this afternoon, the UW-L baseball program has raised $38,927 and the men's tennis program has raised $16,850. We can all be grateful to the many donors who've given gifts of all sizes in support of these two programs. What's more, I encourage you to join me in thanking head Baseball Coach Chris Schwarz and head Tennis Coach Bill Hehli for their outstanding leadership of the fundraising efforts. And we can be particularly grateful to former UW-L head Baseball Coach Bill Terry for bringing his passion and life-long commitment to UW-L baseball to the campaign to continue his sport.

While we wish economic conditions had not forced us to end university funding for baseball and men's tennis, I'm sure you'll agree that it is inspiring to see just what can be done by the people so committed to these two sports. Thanks to their determination and generosity baseball and men's tennis will live on in 2009-2010 here at UW-L!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 14, 2009, 03:39:42 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 13, 2009, 03:35:14 PM
QuoteDon't get TU_XXXX (I can't remember the numbers) started up about stories regarding D3 athletic scholarships.  I suspect that in many or even most cases, the mention of "accepting a scholarship" is the assumption of the writer and not the words of the athlete or his family.

You are correct...I just couldn't pass up an opportunity for a good natured shot. ;) Glad that football is just around the corner. I like what the SCAC is doing with its Media Days and streaming it on the net...will be fun to hear what's happening around the league. 
It usually means a financial aid package consisting of an academic scholarship and/or grants/loans based on financial need.  I agree, though, it's amazing how many people (including sports writers!) don't know (or care!) about the rules in DIII.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 14, 2009, 06:02:20 PM

I take full responsibility for the Matt Walker situation at DePauw. The following was my post on August 6, one day before all hell broke loose...

Quoteless than two weeks before practice starts...things sure are quiet in here...

Ouch...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 16, 2009, 09:39:57 AM
Trinity players reported on Friday and have three weeks of practice and scrimmages before they open the season at McMurry in Abiliene.  The San Antonio media was invited to Reporting Day and interviewed several coaches and players ... THAT was something new!

Here's a nice article from the San Antonio Express-News on-line:

Trinity builds on winning tradition
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/local_colleges/Trinity_builds_on_winning_tradition.html


GO TU TIGERS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 16, 2009, 10:37:06 AM
Good story. Thanks for the link. Last season the local paper in Sherman did a similar piece on AC. If I see one later this month I'll point ya' to it. - The Roo's get started today. Humid and 99 degrees. - Ain't it great!?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 16, 2009, 11:49:15 AM
QuoteTrinity players reported on Friday and have three weeks of practice and scrimmages before they open the season at McMurry in Abiliene.  The San Antonio media was invited to Reporting Day and interviewed several coaches and players ... THAT was something new!

Here's a nice article from the San Antonio Express-News on-line:

Trinity builds on winning tradition
http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/local_colleges/Trinity_builds_on_winning_tradition.html

Nice to see DIII football getting some ink....and nice to see teams begining to report. The opening kick of the 2009 season is getting close!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 16, 2009, 12:12:51 PM
I don't envy the kids at the first day of DePauw camp very much.  It's only been 90 like 5 days this entire summer, and they're lucky enough to kick off on day #6.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 16, 2009, 12:31:26 PM
QuoteI don't envy the kids at the first day of DePauw camp very much.  It's only been 90 like 5 days this entire summer, and they're lucky enough to kick off on day #6.

Will be a nice preview of what it will probably be like on The Mountain September 26.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 16, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on August 16, 2009, 12:12:51 PM
I don't envy the kids at the first day of DePauw camp very much.  It's only been 90 like 5 days this entire summer, and they're lucky enough to kick off on day #6.

Well it's SO sad those poor Indiana boys having to endure temperatures in the 90°'s!!  My parents in Bloomington said, "It's so HOT today ... 87°!!"

I can't imagine how y'all must feel about the SA Tigers who are blessed with over 100° every day.  I heard on the news that yesterday was San Antonio's 49th day of over 100° this summer.

BRING ON THE HEAT ... IN TEXAS, WE LOVE IT!!   :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 16, 2009, 03:31:08 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on August 16, 2009, 02:47:55 PM

I heard on the news that yesterday was San Antonio's 49th day of over 100° this summer.

To quote the late Jim Wacker, "Un - be - leiv - able!"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2009, 05:51:08 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on August 16, 2009, 02:47:55 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on August 16, 2009, 12:12:51 PM
I don't envy the kids at the first day of DePauw camp very much.  It's only been 90 like 5 days this entire summer, and they're lucky enough to kick off on day #6.

Well it's SO sad those poor Indiana boys having to endure temperatures in the 90°'s!!  My parents in Bloomington said, "It's so HOT today ... 87°!!"

I can't imagine how y'all must feel about the SA Tigers who are blessed with over 100° every day.  I heard on the news that yesterday was San Antonio's 49th day of over 100° this summer.

BRING ON THE HEAT ... IN TEXAS, WE LOVE IT!!   :o

Yeah, the visiting teams better be careful, they might fall in some of the cracks at good ol' EM Stevens.    ;) Not only has it been HOT but it has been DRY.  This part of the country is suffering what is probably a drought of record and has been for the last couple of years. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 16, 2009, 07:29:45 PM
See, it's a dry heat.  It's not so bad.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 16, 2009, 08:11:53 PM
QuoteWell it's SO sad those poor Indiana boys having to endure temperatures in the 90°'s!! 

I think those Indiana boys will be just fine. It gets plenty hot here. I'd like to see those tough Texas boys come up here and play in November...30's, wind and rain.... ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 17, 2009, 09:38:38 AM
For those interested, the Millsaps sports department is doing a great job of keeping us up to speed on the Majors in camp this year.  It is a nice change of pace as opposed to finding out about the team during the first game of the season.

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/8/13/FB_0813093109.aspx

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/8/13/FB_0813090842.aspx

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/8/15/FB_0815090239.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 17, 2009, 09:58:17 AM
QuoteFor those interested, the Millsaps sports department is doing a great job of keeping us up to speed on the Majors in camp this year.  It is a nice change of pace as opposed to finding out about the team during the first game of the season.

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/8/13/FB_0813093109.aspx

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/8/13/FB_0813090842.aspx

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/8/15/FB_0815090239.aspx

Very nice effort!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 19, 2009, 11:12:52 AM
NFL Players website article about Jerheme Urban:

http://[/url]http://www.nflplayers.com/user/content.aspx?fmid=178&lmid=443&pid=3872
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 19, 2009, 11:20:14 PM
Good to see Millsaps get a player on the Fred Mitchell watch list.  Their web site has a good synopsis of the award, which I had never heard of before!
Good Luck to kicker Russolino.

....the word from camp is that their are some giant young men among the new freshmen...can't wait for the action to begin!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 20, 2009, 07:18:51 AM
Went by the Millsaps practice yesterday.  It was cut short by about an hour by lightning in the area--at least I left at that point and it's possible that they got back out after the fast moving storm cleared.

About all I can tell from the stands is that they have a lot of players and practices are very well organized.  They have been split up into 3 groups at the two practices I've seen, one group working near the sideline at mid-field and the other two taking the last 30-40 yards of each end of the field. 

Can't tell much about size from the stands.  I do know that they have 11 QBs because that many guys have red jerseys.  They did a length of the field practice yesterday of 11 v 11.  They ran it 4 times with 4 different QBs.  Not surprising, Chris Graves was the first QB used.  After that it was a sophomore and 2 freshmen.  I don't want to read too much into the order of players used this early in practice so I won't give the names of these players.  The bottom line is that Millsaps has 1 senior who might be very capable of getting the job done and then it seems like the next in line might be a lot of youth and it will be interesting to see who picks up the system the fastest.

Another non-surprise is that they work a lot on the passing game.  With the graduation of Juan and a bunch of receivers, plus the graduation of most or all of the defensive backs, working on the passing game addresses the two big question marks.  There's one freshman receiver who has caught my eye but maybe he is going against non-experienced freshmen DBs.  He's not big but has great hands and was a fairly good sprinter in high school--how he'll do when people are hitting for real is a good question, but the guy sure looks good as a future deep threat.  It looks to me like Millsaps will be just fine on the receiving end of the passing game and I believe they will find the answer on the throwing end.

Along those lines, I won't be surprised if at least 3 QBs play against MS College and then again against Belhaven.  Even if Chris Graves has the starting spot locked up, they still have to find the #2 from a bunch of inexperienced players. 

I've probably mentioned this before, but barring a tie, Millsaps will either be 2-0, 1-1, or 0-2 when they go to Austin and I think the odds are highest that they will be 0-2.  Before Millsaps fans get upset, let me explain why:
---MS College and Belhaven are both good teams
---This season has the feel of 2006 and in that season the non-conference games were used to prepare for winning the SCAC without a lot of concern about wins and losses in the non-conference part.
---With so many starting spots up for grabs, I believe DuBose will give a lot of guys the opportunity to prove themselves on the field.  I expect to see around 70-75 players getting into both of those games.
---Millsaps will not tip their hand to Trinity and DePauw this early in the season. 

I hope my prediction is 100% backwards.  I hope Millsaps is so good that they can play a lot of guys, stick with a very basic scheme, and still beat MS College and Belhaven.  That would be impressive but that's asking a lot.  Plus, I have no problem at all if the team starts out 0-2 by doing things that will give them the best chance to go 3-0 vs Austin, Trinity, and DePauw.  That's when the real season begins and that's when we'll really see what Millsaps has this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 20, 2009, 10:57:20 AM
Thanks for the insight Frank!  I also hope the Majors can get some experience in the first two games and come out with two wins on top of that.  I did see that Millsaps has posted its JV schedule for this year, another good way to get valuable experience for the young guys. 

This is a far cry from the Millsaps teams that I played on, we never had enough for a JV team, credit to Dubose and staff for their recruiting efforts and retention rates.

http://gomajors.com/sports/2009/8/18/FB_0818094133.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 20, 2009, 01:59:42 PM
SCAC Director of Sports Information Jeff DeBaldo has just releaed the 2009 SCAC Football Prospectus, which includes, among many other things, the 2009 Coaches' Preseason Poll.

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09_football_prospectus (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09_football_prospectus)

If you sign up to be on the SCAC e-list, you'll get these notifications sent to your inbox. Find out how to do that here:

http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/newsletter_signup (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/newsletter_signup)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 20, 2009, 02:23:07 PM
Considering how these pre-season votes often reflect the results of the previous year, I guess it isn't a surprise to see the order as Millsaps, Trinity, and DePauw.   Maybe a bigger surprise is that these three didn't capture all of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place votes. 

Unless my math is off, the total of 7x7 plus 6x7 plus 5x7 is 126 points.  The top three only combined for 124 points so I guess Centre got a couple of third place votes or maybe a second.  It's a good reminder that there are more than 3 good teams in the SCAC and there's work to be done every weekend. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 20, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
In news that will mostly be of interest to Millsaps fans, I see that MS College lost Desmond Mays, their star running back who lead the ASC in rushing last year with 1,137 yards.  To add insult to injury, they will have to face Mays this year since he transferred to ASC rival UMHB for his senior season.  That's got to leave some bitter feelings.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 20, 2009, 07:28:49 PM
QuoteConsidering how these pre-season votes often reflect the results of the previous year, I guess it isn't a surprise to see the order as Millsaps, Trinity, and DePauw.   Maybe a bigger surprise is that these three didn't capture all of the 1st, 2nd and 3rd place votes.  

I agree, Frank. And that's right where DPU needs to be. They have not done the deal...and until they do, they won't be voted higher...and of course, the preseason is meaningless. And I don't think it's surprising that the top three didn't garner all the votes. IMHO the SCAC is a tough conference because teams like Centre and Rhodes are looming each week, not to mention up and coming programs like Austin and Sewanee...it's what makes the conference fun...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 20, 2009, 09:15:16 PM
Does it interest anyone that two terrific teams will enter the season with two rather contrasting challenges. Millsaps faces the challenge of losing an "all-everything" player in JJ, and other key contributors. DePauw must overcome the loss of a dynamite head coach. Interestingly, when the topics were passed around the board the past several weeks the general line of thought was that DuBose would shine in light of the lost player{s}, but on the other hand that at DePauw the players would pull through for the Tigers.

So, whose is the more difficult challenge?

Perhaps their seasons will dramatize the notion that, properly employed, a team can overcome most any challenge by emphasizing it's relative strength - whatever it may be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 20, 2009, 09:25:03 PM
Former Colorado College head coach Bob Bodor is now coaching in Kauai.

http://www.csindy.com/colorado/end-zone/Content?category=1064551
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 20, 2009, 09:33:51 PM
QuoteFormer Colorado College head coach Bob Bodor is now coaching in Kauai.

http://www.csindy.com/colorado/end-zone/Content?category=1064551

Good for him...hope it works out for him after getting hosed by the clowns at CC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 20, 2009, 10:28:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 20, 2009, 09:25:03 PM
Former Colorado College head coach Bob Bodor is now coaching in Kauai.

http://www.csindy.com/colorado/end-zone/Content?category=1064551

Trinity ended up with a CC transfer, an all-conference DB.  Nice !!!

And OMG, if you had to end up somewhere teaching HS football, you couldn't do much better than Kauai.  I just hope they pay him enough that he can afford to live there.   From the article it sounds like he's already made a difference in the program.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 20, 2009, 11:43:32 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 20, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
To add insult to injury, they will have to face Mays this year since he transferred to ASC rival UMHB for his senior season.  That's got to leave some bitter feelings.

Unless my memory is failing me, I believe this is either the 4th or 5th college that has hosted perennial transfer student-athlete Desmond Mays.  This former two-year Texas Class 1A MVP and star running back from Normangee has done alot of moving since he graduated in the spring of 2005.  Sam Houston State, Southwest Baptist (MO), Mississippi College, and now UMHB?  A little surprised that Coach Fred would take in a transfer from within the conference, but there you go.  Guess we'll see what happens to him as a Crusader.  Wonder why he can't find a team to stick with ....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2009, 12:13:38 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on August 20, 2009, 11:43:32 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 20, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
To add insult to injury, they will have to face Mays this year since he transferred to ASC rival UMHB for his senior season.  That's got to leave some bitter feelings.

Unless my memory is failing me, I believe this is either the 4th or 5th college that has hosted perennial transfer student-athlete Desmond Mays.  This former two-year Texas Class 1A MVP and star running back from Normangee has done alot of moving since he graduated in the spring of 2005.  Sam Houston State, Southwest Baptist (MO), Mississippi College, and now UMHB?  A little surprised that Coach Fred would take in a transfer from within the conference, but there you go.  Guess we'll see what happens to him as a Crusader.  Wonder why he can't find a team to stick with ....

He let former McMurry and Mt St Joseph player Rashon Lewis into camp in 2008.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3803.7583 

Not trying to besmirch a reputation, but it might be part of Coach Fred's regimen.  Sometimes a player can demonstrate what the coach wants by the player's own "dysfunctionality".  The dysfunctional player  makes himself the example of what is not the "Coach Fred" way.

If Mayes has come to terms with what he needs and he needed to be closer to home, then I hope that he does well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on August 21, 2009, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on August 20, 2009, 11:43:32 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 20, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
To add insult to injury, they will have to face Mays this year since he transferred to ASC rival UMHB for his senior season.  That's got to leave some bitter feelings.

Unless my memory is failing me, I believe this is either the 4th or 5th college that has hosted perennial transfer student-athlete Desmond Mays.  This former two-year Texas Class 1A MVP and star running back from Normangee has done alot of moving since he graduated in the spring of 2005.  Sam Houston State, Southwest Baptist (MO), Mississippi College, and now UMHB?  A little surprised that Coach Fred would take in a transfer from within the conference, but there you go.  Guess we'll see what happens to him as a Crusader.  Wonder why he can't find a team to stick with ....

Its seems he followed Jack Peavey from Southwest Baptist (where he was Head Coach) to Mississippi College (where he was Offensive Coordinator). However when Peavey left over the off-season for Texas A&M Commerce (DIV II)...he probably had no reason to stay in Clinton, MS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 21, 2009, 10:38:18 AM
In hindsight, perhaps this should have been posted in on the ASC board ... but, alas, it's here now.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2009, 12:13:38 AM
He let former McMurry and Mt St Joseph player Rashon Lewis into camp in 2008.

Not trying to besmirch a reputation, but it might be part of Coach Fred's regimen.  Sometimes a player can demonstrate what the coach wants by the player's own "dysfunctionality".  The dysfunctional player  makes himself the example of what is not the "Coach Fred" way.

If Mayes has come to terms with what he needs and he needed to be closer to home, then I hope that he does well.

Ralph, I could not find the D3board reference, but Google did serve up this little tidbit from last summer's Temple newspaper
http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2008/08/29/51857
Quote
Athletic senior Rashon Lewis, who had transferred from McMurry and was playing for his fourth school, no longer is with the program after a falling out on Wednesday.

"Rashon Lewis is not a part of this team and did not want to be a part of this team," Fredenburg said.

It will be interesting to see how the UMHB stable of running backs fares ... especially with Quincy Daniels returning from an early-season exit due to knee surgery last year.  

This early article in the Temple paper mentions Mays as a new addition to the Crusaders running back attack
http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2009/08/19/60050

And this one has some quotes from him that seem reasonable to me:
http://www.tdtnews.com/story/2009/08/18/60036

Over on the ASC board, there's quite a bit of related discussion for those interested ...

Hope young Mr. Mays fares well in his new environment ... except against McMurry, of course!  ;)

Hope to see you in two weeks at Moore Stadium in Abilene!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2009, 07:44:39 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2009, 12:13:38 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on August 20, 2009, 11:43:32 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 20, 2009, 06:39:56 PM
To add insult to injury, they will have to face Mays this year since he transferred to ASC rival UMHB for his senior season.  That's got to leave some bitter feelings.

Unless my memory is failing me, I believe this is either the 4th or 5th college that has hosted perennial transfer student-athlete Desmond Mays.  This former two-year Texas Class 1A MVP and star running back from Normangee has done alot of moving since he graduated in the spring of 2005.  Sam Houston State, Southwest Baptist (MO), Mississippi College, and now UMHB?  A little surprised that Coach Fred would take in a transfer from within the conference, but there you go.  Guess we'll see what happens to him as a Crusader.  Wonder why he can't find a team to stick with ....

He let former McMurry and Mt St Joseph player Rashon Lewis into camp in 2008.

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3803.7583 

Not trying to besmirch a reputation, but it might be part of Coach Fred's regimen.  Sometimes a player can demonstrate what the coach wants by the player's own "dysfunctionality".  The dysfunctional player  makes himself the example of what is not the "Coach Fred" way.

If Mayes has come to terms with what he needs and he needed to be closer to home, then I hope that he does well.

Post # 7583 on the ASC board...   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 22, 2009, 08:43:56 AM

DePauw football subject of Michael Pointer's column in the Indianapolis Star this morning...

http://www.indystar.com/article/20090822/SPORTS06/908220330/1004/SPORTS/Shock+wearing+off+for+Long++DePauw
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 22, 2009, 09:47:32 AM
Well at least they're saying all the right things.  I think this change probably bothers this football team a lot less than it bothers the rest of us.  I know a lot of us a little jittery about the whole thing, but I go back to the fact that the offense and the defense are both unchanged.  The main change is that we've got a little more intensity in the corner office than we've had in a while.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 22, 2009, 10:20:16 AM
I think you are right, Wes...coaching on both sides of the ball remains the same as does the system in place...will get a first look at things a week from today in the scrimmage at Franklin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 22, 2009, 05:49:05 PM
I agree.  I talk to my son daily and unless I bring it up, we don't talk about Walker leaving.  It's got to the point I don't even bring it up any more.  I really think the team has moved on.  Thomas likes the way Long runs the practices, more intense and upbeat, no downtime.  I am looking forward to next Saturday.  I will be there with a couple early 80's alums.  And looking forward to seeing Alan Hill and Coach Leonard, who was a GA when I played.
One other thing, I noticed someone from Wabash posted that Walker resigned because he was skimming money from football sportswear.  Based on the quality of the service and the sportswear, New Balance should have been paying all of us to take that stuff, not the other way around.  The warm ups those kids wore last year were embarassing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2009, 11:31:39 PM
Those of you who were around last year will remember a blog by Colorado College's Chris Jarmon called The D3 Experience (http://www.thed3experience.com).  I'm happy to report that, after a summer as an intern for NFL films, Chris is back in the Division III football ranks at Grinnell and has been updating his blog pretty much continuously all summer.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 22, 2009, 11:47:08 PM
A shining example of the make up of so many of our DIII student athletes.

Congrats Chris!! We're pulling for you!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on August 23, 2009, 10:02:48 PM
Quote from: Fripp52 on August 22, 2009, 05:49:05 PM
I agree.  I talk to my son daily and unless I bring it up, we don't talk about Walker leaving.  It's got to the point I don't even bring it up any more.  I really think the team has moved on.  Thomas likes the way Long runs the practices, more intense and upbeat, no downtime.  I am looking forward to next Saturday.  I will be there with a couple early 80's alums.  And looking forward to seeing Alan Hill and Coach Leonard, who was a GA when I played.
One other thing, I noticed someone from Wabash posted that Walker resigned because he was skimming money from football sportswear.  Based on the quality of the service and the sportswear, New Balance should have been paying all of us to take that stuff, not the other way around.  The warm ups those kids wore last year were embarassing.
Please note that the comment about the gear came from a response to the piece in the Indianoplace Star and not from any Wabash poster on this board. Why are you assuming it was someone from Wabash, just so you can get another scurrilous opinion in print?
                                                                                 WAB64
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 24, 2009, 01:05:53 AM
He said it was a Wabash poster because it was? BashDad posted the link?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 24, 2009, 08:06:38 AM
wab64, is there a problem with what I said ?  Take a look at Bashdad's post on 22 August.  Not trying to stir the pot, just indicating where I saw it.  Regardless, aren't forums for scurrilous opinions ?  Don't think there was an opinion in there anyway.  Just stating a fact.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 24, 2009, 03:38:39 PM
Just tried to check out day one of SCAC Media Days...having technical problems that hopefully will be resolved soon.  Great effort by the conference to do this...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 24, 2009, 04:49:32 PM
Couldn't make the Millsaps scrimage...any thoughts or observations?  Anyone (QBs) really impress you? 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 24, 2009, 04:52:01 PM
Quick update - We just posted the Austin College and Birmingham-Southern portion of SCAC Football Media Days. Sorry for the delay - we were moving the SCAC office to a different suite in the same complex and had no phone or internet for most of the day.

Should be on schedule for the rest of the week. You can check it all out here:
http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/
(http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/)

And the SCAC Football Media Days schedule here:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09fbmediadays.pdf (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09fbmediadays.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 24, 2009, 06:10:29 PM

Just checked out some of the interviews...nice effort... :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 24, 2009, 10:15:44 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on August 24, 2009, 04:49:32 PM
Couldn't make the Millsaps scrimage...any thoughts or observations?  Anyone (QBs) really impress you? 

Saw most of the scrimmage and really didn't come away with much of an impression.  I think about 8 quarterbacks got into the action.  It was hard to tell who was playing against the better defenses or with the more experienced offensive players.  It didn't help that the numbers on the roster didn't match up all the time with the players on the field. 

If you want a gut feeling, I think the defense looked a little ahead of the offense overall even though the first string offense was doing a fairly good job of moving the ball.  Here's a link to the Millsaps story about the scrimmage--it's about as vague as what I've provided:

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/8/22/FB_0822090422.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 25, 2009, 09:51:10 AM
Thanks; I'll take that 'vague' for now!  With 100 guys, temporary adn duplicate numbers and plenty of substitutions and platoons, it must be hard to get much of a feel.

It will be interesting to see who the team rallies around as a field leader.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 25, 2009, 10:07:14 AM
*** Just ordered the d3football "Kickoff" ...seems like a solid 10 dollars well spent and it goes to support the boards.  I challenge other SCAC fans to do the same.  (kinda like a pledge-a-thon with out the great acts!!!) ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 25, 2009, 12:34:47 PM
Just logged in to the brand-spanking new "2009 Kickoff" and took a quick look.  This will require some serious study tonight, but I would like to encourage all you SCAC fans to pony up the $10 (or less) to get your own access.

Trinity fans will be interested to read the stories on of Robby Long at DPU, Hal Mumme at McMurry (TU's first opponent) and that TU is picked as a 'maybe' under playoff teams beyond the top 25.  Some say that the opening schedule of four games on the road will determine TU's season outlook ... I would agree with that assessment. 

Now I'm looking forward to the 2009 edition of the Trinity Tigers!   11 days and counting ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 25, 2009, 02:32:36 PM
Thanks, TigerDad. The PAWS group was a big supporter of Kickoff last season and we are thankful for any support we get.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 25, 2009, 02:59:55 PM
QuoteJust logged in to the brand-spanking new "2009 Kickoff" and took a quick look.  This will require some serious study tonight, but I would like to encourage all you SCAC fans to pony up the $10 (or less) to get your own access.

Agree wholeheartedly...at $10 it's a bargain. Pat and his team have done another great job...a real service to all who play, coach or are simply interested in DIII football!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 25, 2009, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: jashburn on August 21, 2009, 06:18:09 PM
http://www.atomicfootball.com/archive/af_predictions_All.html#III

Click the team links, too. If you have questions, check out the FAQ first (http://www.atomicfootball.com/af-links.html).

Found above quoted links to this site on the General Football board.  Here's the direct link to their statistical prediction for Trinity's 2009 football season:
   - http://www.knology.net/~jashburn/football//archive/teams/tm_595.html

Other SCAC team predictions can be easily viewed by clicking on the team name links from the Trinity page link above. 

I found it quite interesting ... in this system, TU is predicted to go 7-3 ... losing to Millsaps by 13 (showdown at Davis), DePauw by 2 (good one at Blackstock), and Azusa Pacific by 7 (doubt it).  Looks like the site will be updated as the season goes along ... should be fun to watch and see how it turns out.  I could live with 7-3, but sure would like to see 9-1 and a playoff berth for the men from S.A.!!!

Just to save you accountants and engineers some aggravation, I found the followin Q&A in the FAQ section ... you know you were going to ask, weren't you?!

Quote
FAQ #5 - If I look on one of the team pages at your games predictions and compare them to the projected win/loss record, they don't match. What gives?

OK, this one is a little tricky, so I'll answer it with an example. Let's say I've predicted your team will win each of it's final four games (individually), and the probability of win is 75% in each game. In this case, I project their record assuming that COLLECTIVELY they will win only three of those games (0.75 * 4 = 3). They might not lose any, or one, or two, or three, or all four, but averaging across all the possible outcomes, expect one loss.

Enjoy!  Only 11 more days to the real thing ...

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 25, 2009, 04:11:04 PM
The Centre College and DePauw University segments of the 2009 SCAC Football Media Days are now posted.

You can check it all out here:
http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/ (http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/)

And the SCAC Football Media Days schedule here:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09fbmediadays.pdf (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09fbmediadays.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 25, 2009, 04:54:50 PM
QuoteThe Centre College and DePauw University segments of the 2009 SCAC Football Media Days are now posted.

You can check it all out here:
http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/

And the SCAC Football Media Days schedule here:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09fbmediadays.pdf

once again, great job on this...nice to be able to listen to coaches and players and it's laid out in a user friendly way...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 25, 2009, 07:43:45 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 25, 2009, 04:54:50 PM
QuoteThe Centre College and DePauw University segments of the 2009 SCAC Football Media Days are now posted.

You can check it all out here:
http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/

And the SCAC Football Media Days schedule here:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09fbmediadays.pdf


once again, great job on this...nice to be able to listen to coaches and players and it's laid out in a user friendly way...

Ditto! I don't know of anywhere else to get to hear directly from {especially} the coaches around the league. Most greatful to The SCAC. Definitely something we can refer friends to check out. -  Thanks to those responsible!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 25, 2009, 07:57:19 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on August 25, 2009, 04:06:06 PM
Quote from: jashburn on August 21, 2009, 06:18:09 PM
http://www.atomicfootball.com/archive/af_predictions_All.html#III

Click the team links, too. If you have questions, check out the FAQ first (http://www.atomicfootball.com/af-links.html).

Found above quoted links to this site on the General Football board.  Here's the direct link to their statistical prediction for Trinity's 2009 football season:
   - http://www.knology.net/~jashburn/football//archive/teams/tm_595.html

Other SCAC team predictions can be easily viewed by clicking on the team name links from the Trinity page link above. 


"TD", I agree it should be fun to check this out as the season progresses. I would have had no idea about this site without your "tip". If I had any karma I'd 1+ ya'.
*The Roo's don't get much respect by the author but that's okay. We've gotta prove some things this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 25, 2009, 08:11:59 PM
Finally got to Sherman this weekend to see a practice session. I believe there's a chance they may be called "those amazing Roo's" IF we can keep everybody healthy throughout the fall. I got to see some of those newcomers we've been hearing about. It looks like some of the new arrivals has allowed the coaches to move a couple of key contributors around from last year to help fill some spots on defense vacated by departing seniors. And if what I saw was real, I hope folks continue to load up for the run against  our "O"  :-X.

I'd like to have been able to go back this afternoon for a scrimmage against the University of Mexico. Apparently the Pumas are scrimmaging a few Texas teams this week. Someone said they may have been going to UTSA on this trip also - not sure about other stops they may have planned.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2009, 11:34:38 PM
UTSA doesn't have any players yet.  Maybe"someone" was thinking about UIW, which does start play this year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 26, 2009, 07:05:02 AM
Ooops. My bad... :-[ In fairness to my "someone", he had said a school in San Antonio {but he didn't think it was Trinity}. I errantly converted that to UTSA. Thanks for the assist  :).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 26, 2009, 10:26:12 AM
Quote from: rooski on August 26, 2009, 07:05:02 AM
Ooops. My bad... :-[ In fairness to my "someone", he had said a school in San Antonio {but he didn't think it was Trinity}. I errantly converted that to UTSA. Thanks for the assist  :).

TLU plays Incarnate Word on Oct 17.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 26, 2009, 11:09:46 AM
Quote from: rooski on August 25, 2009, 08:11:59 PM
Apparently the Pumas are scrimmaging a few Texas teams this week. Someone said they may have been going to UTSA on this trip also - not sure about other stops they may have planned.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2009, 11:34:38 PM
UTSA doesn't have any players yet.  Maybe"someone" was thinking about UIW, which does start play this year?

According to Incarnate Word and the Express-News, UIW will host Monterrey Tech for their first game ever in their fancy new Benson Stadium in San Antonio this Saturday 8/29:

  http://www.cardinalathletics.com/news/2009/8/24/FB_0824093722.aspx?path=football

  http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college/local_colleges/College_football_notes_UIW_backup_QB_to_play_in_opener.html

Gentlemen, I would look for the men from Mexico to pound the young Cardinals soundly.  OUCH.  

rooski ... heads up for a followup UIW-MonterreyTech article on Sunday morning here:
  http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college/local_colleges
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2009, 11:41:50 AM
Speaking of the Express-News, this article (http://www.mysanantonio.com/news/education/Trinity_tops_goal_of_raising_200_million.html) in today's edition says Trinity has formally called the $200M "Campaign for Trinity" a success, with $203.6M raised.

I sure hope that part of the $5 million identified in the campaign for "Athletic and Recreational Facilities" will cover the long-discussed turf for EM Stevens.  

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 26, 2009, 12:44:18 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on August 26, 2009, 11:09:46 AM
Quote from: rooski on August 25, 2009, 08:11:59 PM
Apparently the Pumas are scrimmaging a few Texas teams this week. Someone said they may have been going to UTSA on this trip also - not sure about other stops they may have planned.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2009, 11:34:38 PM
UTSA doesn't have any players yet.  Maybe"someone" was thinking about UIW, which does start play this year?

According to Incarnate Word and the Express-News, UIW will host Monterrey Tech for their first game ever in their fancy new Benson Stadium in San Antonio this Saturday 8/29:

  http://www.cardinalathletics.com/news/2009/8/24/FB_0824093722.aspx?path=football

  http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college/local_colleges/College_football_notes_UIW_backup_QB_to_play_in_opener.html

Gentlemen, I would look for the men from Mexico to pound the young Cardinals soundly.  OUCH.  

rooski ... heads up for a followup UIW-MonterreyTech article on Sunday morning here:
  http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college/local_colleges


I'm planning on being at this game. I have no affiliation with UIW I just am dying to see football and love seeing "first games". I saw the first games of the Gunslingers, Force and Riders here in SA. I guess UIW is just another.

Hasn't Monterrey Tech won like 5 Mexican national titles in a row? I would assume they'd thrash UIW.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2009, 12:56:44 PM
Winning a football championship in Mexico is kind of like winning a cricket championship in the US.   A team of D3 all-stars (limited to one player per US team and excluding the top four teams each year) won all but one matchup against their Mexico counterparts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 26, 2009, 01:31:26 PM
I guess I just figured a team with an established identity, which has enjoyed success and will go out on that field with confidence would be pretty tough to beat for a team playing it's first game even if there is a talent disparity. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2009, 03:24:20 PM
Quote from: Li'l Giant on August 26, 2009, 01:31:26 PM
I guess I just figured a team with an established identity, which has enjoyed success and will go out on that field with confidence would be pretty tough to beat for a team playing it's first game even if there is a talent disparity. 

You're probably right, my point wasn't necessarily meant to rebut your point but it sure looks like it was.  Sorry.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 26, 2009, 04:16:56 PM
Day Three of SCAC Football Media Days is now online and Millsaps College and Rhodes College are today's featured programs.

You can check out the interviews from those two schools + the archived interviews from either Monday (Austin College and Birmingham-Southern) or Tuesday (Centre and DePauw) here:
http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/ (http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/)

And the SCAC Football Media Days schedule here:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09fbmediadays.pdf (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/09fbmediadays.pdf)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on August 26, 2009, 04:46:28 PM
Apology not necessary, Ron.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 26, 2009, 04:48:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2009, 11:41:50 AM
I sure hope that part of the $5 million identified in the campaign for "Athletic and Recreational Facilities" will cover the long-discussed turf for EM Stevens.  

I am holding my breath in anticipation ...  :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2009, 05:32:32 PM
I sent "Trinity_U" a tweet since they announced the drive was over on Twitter.  No response yet, maybe if you other Twitters do the same we can get an answer.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 26, 2009, 07:12:52 PM

With thanks to the SCAC and its nicely done Media Days, below is a link to the interview with DePauw's Interim Head Coach Robby Long. Might give you a glimpse into his mindset and the expectations he has in his new role. I for one think he will do a tremendous job and would hope that if he wants it (which I think he does) that he would get the job. For you Wabash guys who are following this, toward the end of the interview he gives his take on the Monon Bell classic...  

http://static.psbin.com/i/r/0xvfyoxazutsb1/RobbyLong-DU.mp3
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 26, 2009, 10:06:03 PM
I was able to listen to the Millsaps portion of the media days and enjoyed it very much.  I'll make an effort to go back and listen to the interviews from all the teams as time permits.

Saw about an hour of the Millsaps intrasquad scrimmage this afternoon.  Was very impressed with Chris Graves and the Millsaps 1st team offense in their brief appearance.  After that it was once again hard to make heads or tails of what I was seeing, not knowing what level of offense was going against what level of defense, etc.  While I'm excited about the talent level of the freshmen quarterbacks at Millsaps, it's going to be very hard for any of them to unseat Chris considering his talent combined with his knowledge of the Millsaps system.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2009, 12:53:44 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 26, 2009, 07:12:52 PM

With thanks to the SCAC and its nicely done Media Days, below is a link to the interview with DePauw's Interim Head Coach Robby Long. Might give you a glimpse into his mindset and the expectations he has in his new role. I for one think he will do a tremendous job and would hope that if he wants it (which I think he does) that he would get the job. For you Wabash guys who are following this, toward the end of the interview he gives his take on the Monon Bell classic...  

http://static.psbin.com/i/r/0xvfyoxazutsb1/RobbyLong-DU.mp3

Wonder if it's at all similar to the Q&A with Coach Long in Kickoff. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 27, 2009, 01:03:01 AM
New idea: Kickoff '10 needs to come in an mp3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 27, 2009, 02:09:02 AM
Funny you should mention it. First ATN podcast of the season:

http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/08/27/how-we-rank-the-teams-1-238

I have my audio of the Robby Long interview, but who wants to hear someone talk over the phone?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 27, 2009, 04:49:59 AM
QuoteWonder if it's at all similar to the Q&A with Coach Long in Kickoff.

Good catch, Pat..I definitely enjoyed the piece on Coach Long in Kick Off. And, again, I would urge anyone with even a remote interest in DIII football to check out the '09 edition....best $10 you'll ever spend!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 27, 2009, 07:15:52 AM
New position coach showed up at DePauw yesterday.........James Mungro is now the RB coach.  Long was doing double duty until yesterday working with the RBs.  Mungro played high school ball up the road from where we live, a school my son's HS team scrimmaged every year.  He went on to play college ball at Syracuse and played professionally with the Colts (and maybe others).  He sought my son out yesterday to discuss LeHigh Valley Football.  He said he had been trying to get coaching jobs at Easton High for some time.  May be a good choice for DePauw.  Anyone going to the Franklin scrimmage on Sat ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 27, 2009, 08:40:34 AM
QuoteNew position coach showed up at DePauw yesterday.........James Mungro is now the RB coach.  Long was doing double duty until yesterday working with the RBs.  Mungro played high school ball up the road from where we live, a school my son's HS team scrimmaged every year.  He went on to play college ball at Syracuse and played professionally with the Colts (and maybe others).  He sought my son out yesterday to discuss LeHigh Valley Football.  He said he had been trying to get coaching jobs at Easton High for some time.  May be a good choice for DePauw.  Anyone going to the Franklin scrimmage on Sat ?

I think Mungro is a great addition to the staff, if nothing more than from a manpower standpoint. But I've also got to believe that having a guy who was a high school all american, DI and NFL running back in Greencastle can be big in bringing along a talented but still young group of running backs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2009, 09:08:54 AM
Quote from: Fripp52 on August 27, 2009, 07:15:52 AM
New position coach showed up at DePauw yesterday.........James Mungro is now the RB coach.  Long was doing double duty until yesterday working with the RBs.  Mungro played high school ball up the road from where we live, a school my son's HS team scrimmaged every year.  He went on to play college ball at Syracuse and played professionally with the Colts (and maybe others).  He sought my son out yesterday to discuss LeHigh Valley Football.  He said he had been trying to get coaching jobs at Easton High for some time.  May be a good choice for DePauw.  Anyone going to the Franklin scrimmage on Sat ?

It's a bit far  ;) so I'm planning to watch Trinity scrimmage Howard Payne.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 27, 2009, 10:32:17 AM
Quote from: Fripp52 on August 27, 2009, 07:15:52 AM
New position coach showed up at DePauw yesterday.........James Mungro is now the RB coach.  Long was doing double duty until yesterday working with the RBs.  Mungro played high school ball up the road from where we live, a school my son's HS team scrimmaged every year.  He went on to play college ball at Syracuse and played professionally with the Colts (and maybe others). 

Impressive resume for a new DIII assistant coach!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mungro

Gotta be good for their running game ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 27, 2009, 10:54:56 AM
Interesting find in the Houston Chronicle today, just food for thought as we get ready to kick-off. 

The sports section has a listing of football players from Houston playing at all collegiate levels.  I filtered down to DIII and found some interesting trends.  What throws me off though is that not one player from Trinity is listed, but according to TU's website, there are 20+ players from the Houston area.

Random thoughts:
ETBU leads with 23 players from Houston
McMurry is a close 2nd with 22

Millsaps has 9 players from the Houston area, Sewanee has 3, Austin and BSC have 2, Rhodes has 1.  Houston has been a good place to find talent for many schools across the SCAC.  I wonder if it gets under Coach Mohr's skin that some rivals are pulling kids out of Houston to play out of state?  I know it happens all the time on the DI level, but these are not scholarship athletes.  Like I said, just found it interesting... 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2009, 11:12:36 AM
They might not be shown because the 2009 roster hasn't been posted to TU's web site.  

Texas is a big state with LOTS of football players.  They go all over the country and kids at this level go to the schools that offer them the complete package.  That can be financial aid, that can be the fields the school is known for, someplace their siblings or parents went to, it can be the school with the "hot" football team or the one they think they have the best chance at getting playing time.  

When you look at the number of kids in Houston, it's no more "Trinity" territory than Dallas is.  Heck, look at how few San Antonio kids end up on the TU roster - all of five in '08.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 27, 2009, 11:29:03 AM
QuoteImpressive resume for a new DIII assistant coach!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Mungro

Gotta be good for their running game ...

I think so, too. Lots of anticipation in Greencastle heading into the season. But, of course, nothing matters other than what you do on the field.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 27, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2009, 11:12:36 AM
They might not be shown because the 2009 roster hasn't been posted to TU's web site.  

Texas is a big state with LOTS of football players.  They go all over the country and kids at this level go to the schools that offer them the complete package.  That can be financial aid, that can be the fields the school is known for, someplace their siblings or parents went to, it can be the school with the "hot" football team or the one they think they have the best chance at getting playing time.  

When you look at the number of kids in Houston, it's no more "Trinity" territory than Dallas is.  Heck, look at how few San Antonio kids end up on the TU roster - all of five in '08.  

Agree with your comments Ron.  I am a Houston native that chose Millsaps over Trinity for many of the reasons you listed above.  I just found it interesting that of all the schools recruiting out there, Millsaps was able to land 9 players from two states and 400+ miles away.  It seems that some schools develop a nice pipeline in to certain locations for one reason or another.  The San Antonio comment somewhat applies, but I would think that a majority of kids choose to go away from home for college.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2009, 12:09:17 PM
I'm sure that some of Coach DuBose's contacts from D1 days have come in handy re Houston, and the team's very strong play the last few years hasn't hurt, either!   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 27, 2009, 01:15:44 PM
Wait, James Mungro is coaching at DePauw now?  Man, I wish they were coming to Sherman this year, because I was at Syracuse at the same time as Mungro (he was a couple years ahead of me) and I saw him out now and then.  Dude was built like a little mack truck.  Great addition to the DePauw staff, the guy used to be the all time leading rusher in PA state history.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 27, 2009, 02:02:52 PM
QuoteWait, James Mungro is coaching at DePauw now?  Man, I wish they were coming to Sherman this year, because I was at Syracuse at the same time as Mungro (he was a couple years ahead of me) and I saw him out now and then.  Dude was built like a little mack truck.  Great addition to the DePauw staff, the guy used to be the all time leading rusher in PA state history.

You'll just have to make the trip to Greencastle November 7.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 27, 2009, 03:58:57 PM
The fourth and final installment of SCAC Football Media Days is now online. Its all Tigers all the time today as Sewanee: The University of the South and Trinity University are today's featured programs.

You can check out the interviews from those two schools + the archived interviews from Days 1-3 here:
http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/ (http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/)

We've had over 500 listens the first three days, so thanks so much to D3football & SCAC nation for all the support. We weren't sure if we'd have an audience for this or not, so the listenership has been a pleasant surprise. I'd like to offer a special tip of the cap to SCAC Director of Communications Russell Kramer who researched and put this project together.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 27, 2009, 05:48:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2009, 11:12:36 AM
They might not be shown because the 2009 roster hasn't been posted to TU's web site.  

My unofficial copy of Trinity's roster shows 7 first-year players and a total of 25 players of all ages from the Houston metro area.

The majority of Trinity's players do come from Texas and I agree with Ron that no particular city in Texas "belongs" to any Texas college football program ... Texas has so many outstanding high school football players that they end up on teams across the nation.  Trinity has no more and no less influence than any other schools ... except their academic prowess PLUS a fine football team.  Not sure you can find that elsewhere in the Lone Star State.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 27, 2009, 06:43:03 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 27, 2009, 08:40:34 AM
I think Mungro is a great addition to the staff, if nothing more than from a manpower standpoint. But I've also got to believe that having a guy who was a high school all american, DI and NFL running back in Greencastle can be big in bringing along a talented but still young group of running backs.

Here's the thing that I like about this pickup: whenever you add a guy who participated in the most complex checkdown and blitz pickup system at any level on the planet, you're probably doing something right.  For a team, like DePauw, that strictly runs a pro-style offense, that kind of knowledge is priceless for a group of running backs that have very similar responsibilities to the Colt RB's.  There's an awful lot of blitz pickup, a lot of checkdowns, and a lot of routes out of the backfield where you have to read the defense in the DePauw playbook.  This kind of a guy can do a lot for you in those aspects of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 27, 2009, 09:33:39 PM
...may be a plus in recruiting as well. On paper he looks like the kind of guy/coach who could end up contributing in areas other than his specialty, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 27, 2009, 10:18:58 PM
QuoteHere's the thing that I like about this pickup: whenever you add a guy who participated in the most complex checkdown and blitz pickup system at any level on the planet, you're probably doing something right.  For a team, like DePauw, that strictly runs a pro-style offense, that kind of knowledge is priceless for a group of running backs that have very similar responsibilities to the Colt RB's.  There's an awful lot of blitz pickup, a lot of checkdowns, and a lot of routes out of the backfield where you have to read the defense in the DePauw playbook.  This kind of a guy can do a lot for you in those aspects of the game.

Bingo, Wes. Hopefully that translates into bringing along some talented young backs and enhances the offensive options. 

Quotemay be a plus in recruiting as well. On paper he looks like the kind of guy/coach who could end up contributing in areas other than his specialty, too.

I think he could be, but I am not sure of this is a part-time,  one year deal or more long term. In any event, I think it'll be good to have him on the sideline and in practice...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 28, 2009, 10:08:21 AM
Millsaps also has added a new member to their athletic staff:

Scott Slarks Joins Millsaps Sports Information Staff--Millsaps College athletic director Tim Wise announced today the addition of sports information assistant Scott Slarks to the athletic staff, becoming the second full-time employee responsible for the publicity of all 18 intercollegiate sports...... (link:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/8/25/GEN_0825094835.aspx )

This may not be exciting news except to Millsaps athletes, coaches, and fans, plus the SCAC home office.  It's certainly exciting news to me.  About 5 years ago when I started taking photos for Millsaps the SID slot was a part-time job that paid about $10,000.  If they found someone who would take the job as a labor of love, such as board member "consultant", then it worked out okay.  If they found someone who was working two jobs to try and make a living, then it was a disaster--few stories were written, some sports went totally uncovered, stats were late getting to the SCAC office, media guides were slim or non-existent, the website was rarely updated, etc.

The addition of Kevin Maloney as a full-time SID has been fantastic and now the Millsaps athletes and coaches are getting the recognition they deserve.  The Millsaps website is great, news goes out to hometown newspapers, stories are submitted to all the D3sports website and all of the local media, and on and on.  It's like night and day compared to just a few years ago, but it has happened because Kevin willingly puts in 60-80 hour weeks in the fall and spring and even with that there are things that have to go undone.  Having a second full time person in the sports information department is going to be great for Millsaps.  

As a Millsaps fan, I greatly appreciate the realization of the Millsaps administration and Athletic Director Tim Wise of the need for a second staff member and I'm sure it will be a great decision.  It will go a long way in giving the athletes, the athletic programs, and the school the recognition that is deserved from their efforts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 28, 2009, 12:09:56 PM
QuoteMillsaps also has added a new member to their athletic staff:

Scott Slarks Joins Millsaps Sports Information Staff--Millsaps College athletic director Tim Wise announced today the addition of sports information assistant Scott Slarks to the athletic staff, becoming the second full-time employee responsible for the publicity of all 18 intercollegiate sports...... (link:  http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/8/25/GEN_0825094835.aspx )

This may not be exciting news except to Millsaps athletes, coaches, and fans, plus the SCAC home office.  It's certainly exciting news to me.  About 5 years ago when I started taking photos for Millsaps the SID slot was a part-time job that paid about $10,000.  If they found someone who would take the job as a labor of love, such as board member "consultant", then it worked out okay.  If they found someone who was working two jobs to try and make a living, then it was a disaster--few stories were written, some sports went totally uncovered, stats were late getting to the SCAC office, media guides were slim or non-existent, the website was rarely updated, etc.

The addition of Kevin Maloney as a full-time SID has been fantastic and now the Millsaps athletes and coaches are getting the recognition they deserve.  The Millsaps website is great, news goes out to hometown newspapers, stories are submitted to all the D3sports website and all of the local media, and on and on.  It's like night and day compared to just a few years ago, but it has happened because Kevin willingly puts in 60-80 hour weeks in the fall and spring and even with that there are things that have to go undone.  Having a second full time person in the sports information department is going to be great for Millsaps. 

As a Millsaps fan, I greatly appreciate the realization of the Millsaps administration and Athletic Director Tim Wise of the need for a second staff member and I'm sure it will be a great decision.  It will go a long way in giving the athletes, the athletic programs, and the school the recognition that is deserved from their efforts.

Good for Millsaps for investing in another sports information position. And kudos to you, Frank, for your efforts on behalf of student-athletes at MC. The SID position at the DIII level is a tirelss job to be sure, at least if you attempt to do it right. Here in Indiana, I continue to be amazed at the talents and the work ethic of DePauw's SID Bill Wagner. The depth of information and timlieness of posts on the DPU website are outstanding. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on August 28, 2009, 12:53:50 PM
I've gotten to meet the SID's at several SCAC schools in my travels with the Trinity football team.  A fine bunch of guys and always a pleasure to meet.  I would assume they're mostly overworked and underpaid, but we appreciate their efforts on behalf of our athletes & fans!

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 28, 2009, 02:01:12 PM
QuoteI've gotten to meet the SID's at several SCAC schools in my travels with the Trinity football team.  A fine bunch of guys and always a pleasure to meet.  I would assume they're mostly overworked and underpaid, but we appreciate their efforts on behalf of our athletes & fans!

Totally agree. What impresses me most is the dedication to their craft (at least the good ones). In this day and age that seems a lost art in some places.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on August 29, 2009, 12:53:57 AM
Frank,
Thanks for the shoutout for SIDs.  The SIDs in the SCAC are first class, particularly veterans like Justin Parker at Trinity and Bill Wagner at DePauw.  I enjoyed my time serving Millsaps.  Kevin is doing a great job for the Majors.  I'm glad he is getting some support. 

Along the lines of SIDs....kudos to Dwayne Hanberry, former SCAC SID and now Mr. Commissioner.  The SCAC has completely transformed during Dwayne's multi-faceted tenure.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2009, 07:35:34 PM
I did indeed make it to the Trinity - Howard Payne scrimmage today.  There's a lot of good things going on there along with the usual early-season opportunities for improvement.  The QB battle could still be up in the air as I thought the #2 QB played very well.  Kicking game seems to be in good hands as both the punter and place kicker did well.  Trinity blocked a number of HPU punt/field goal attempts.  The HPU offense had early success against the Trinity defense (on drills starting from the 35), but had almost no success on later drills starting at the 5 or 20.  Trinity spent a lot of time working the running game, with mixed success - Chris Baer was out attending to personal business.  HPU did have some luck throwing the ball and that will need to be worked out before TU faces Hal Mumme's flying circus next week.   All in all a good effort and I don't think there were any serious injuries, several stingers both ways.   It was a hot day without much breeze or cloud cover and the scrimmage ended about 2 hours after it began.  

A bit of news to report:  the 6'5" freshman QB from Boerne Champion, Chuck Thornally, decided to leave campus before school started.   Nobody really seems to know why.  

Along with a season preview, the Trinity 2009 roster has been posted to the Trinity football home page (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/) by our friend Justin Parker.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2009, 11:40:33 PM
Since we mentioned these guys earlier in the thread:  D2 Incarnate Word won its first-ever football game against "five-time defending Mexico champion" Monterrey Tech tonight, 42-39.   So that should clue folks in on the level of American football in Mexico. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 31, 2009, 12:09:30 AM
That's good to know regarding Monterrey, since the 'Roos have them in a little over a month.

I will say that the team from Mexico we scrimmaged last week was better than I thought they'd be.  They were a bunch of BIG dudes, and they had a couple shifty playmakers.  That said, we looked awfully tough offensively when our first unit was on the field, and a couple new young guys look like they will make an immediate, and substantial, impact.

Bold prediction based only in part on the fact that I'm an AC homer: Ross Hasten leads the SCAC in rushing this season on his way to another 1st Team All-Conference selection.  He looked very, very good during that scrimmage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2009, 01:04:41 PM
Quote from: exmajor on August 27, 2009, 11:39:35 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2009, 11:12:36 AM
They might not be shown because the 2009 roster hasn't been posted to TU's web site.  

Texas is a big state with LOTS of football players.  They go all over the country and kids at this level go to the schools that offer them the complete package.  That can be financial aid, that can be the fields the school is known for, someplace their siblings or parents went to, it can be the school with the "hot" football team or the one they think they have the best chance at getting playing time.  

When you look at the number of kids in Houston, it's no more "Trinity" territory than Dallas is.  Heck, look at how few San Antonio kids end up on the TU roster - all of five in '08.  

Agree with your comments Ron.  I am a Houston native that chose Millsaps over Trinity for many of the reasons you listed above.  I just found it interesting that of all the schools recruiting out there, Millsaps was able to land 9 players from two states and 400+ miles away.  It seems that some schools develop a nice pipeline in to certain locations for one reason or another.  The San Antonio comment somewhat applies, but I would think that a majority of kids choose to go away from home for college.

To finish this thought out, I just got a note from Zachary Levine at the Chronicle, they've updated their DB and it now reflects 30 Houston-area players at Trinity -  a darned good chunk of the team.  There must be some talent in H-town.   ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on August 31, 2009, 08:05:33 PM
Quote from: jekelish on August 31, 2009, 12:09:30 AM
That's good to know regarding Monterrey, since the 'Roos have them in a little over a month.

I will say that the team from Mexico we scrimmaged last week was better than I thought they'd be.  They were a bunch of BIG dudes, and they had a couple shifty playmakers.  That said, we looked awfully tough offensively when our first unit was on the field, and a couple new young guys look like they will make an immediate, and substantial, impact.

Bold prediction based only in part on the fact that I'm an AC homer: Ross Hasten leads the SCAC in rushing this season on his way to another 1st Team All-Conference selection.  He looked very, very good during that scrimmage.

Heck, Jekelish... Now you've gone and gotten me all excited. I may "boldly" seek to add a Kangaroo punter to your 1st Team All-SCAC prediction from what I saw last weekend {and last season}. And who knows what else we might want added before this season is over  ;).

On a serious note, I hope the boys can work through the emotion of this weekend's ceremony and turn in a fitting performance for their fallen teammate and friend. It will not be easy.

And here's hoping for a SCAC sweep this weekend! {I don't think there is any head-to-head  matchups.}
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 01, 2009, 01:53:15 PM
SCAC Pick 'ems are posted - all are welcome to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on September 01, 2009, 04:25:59 PM
Quote from: jekelish on August 31, 2009, 12:09:30 AM
That's good to know regarding Monterrey, since the 'Roos have them in a little over a month.

I will say that the team from Mexico we scrimmaged last week was better than I thought they'd be.  They were a bunch of BIG dudes, and they had a couple shifty playmakers.  That said, we looked awfully tough offensively when our first unit was on the field, and a couple new young guys look like they will make an immediate, and substantial, impact.


I would think their standards are alot more relaxed than D3 deals with the NCAA.  Think of NAIA but worse... probably had a 25 year old tailback or something.. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2009, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 01, 2009, 04:25:59 PM

I would think their standards are alot more relaxed than D3 deals with the NCAA.  Think of NAIA but worse... probably had a 25 year old tailback or something.. ;)

According to a SA Express-News story, UIW had problems getting a roster from Monterrey Tech, the film they got was incredibly grainy and years old. etc.   After getting a roster, Incarnate Word was told to ignore a bunch of it because the over-24 players would not be coming. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 02, 2009, 12:50:34 PM
Three days and six hours until the oblong leather ball is airborn ...

This week's games:
Birmingham-Southern College @ LaGrange in LaGrange, GA
Centre College @ Hanover College in Hanover, IN
Westminster College (MO) @ Rhodes College in Memphis, TN
Southwestern Assemblies of God University @ Austin College in Sherman, TX
Trinity University @ McMurry University in Abilene, TX
Millsaps College @ Mississippi College in Clinton, MS
University of the South (Sewanee) has a bye week.

SCAC Pickem Topic here:
http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=4796.0

GO SCAC ... GO TIGERS (all of them).
:D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
So according to a Notables (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2009/09/02/1684/tazon-de-estrellas-to-be-the-new-aztec-bowl.html) story, there's going to be a game to replace the Aztec Bowl.  Still in Mexico, same weekend, but supposedly a better calibre of player from Mexico (what?  Monterrey Tech isn't the best football team in Mexico?  Not if this article is true).   Glad they're trying to revive the tradition. 

Only one catch:  AFCA's not going to underwrite costs, so any US player who is selected to participate (who will select?) will have to pay their own way ... at nearly $1500 a head.  Sounds steep, especially if you're a college student, and why should it cost someone from this part of the country the same to attend as someone from the Northeast?   

The organization putting this together, "Global Football (http://www.globalfootball.com/)", has some experience with D3 football teams, organizing tours for Illinois Wesleyan to Austria, North Central to Switzerland, and Wisconsin Eau Claire to Spain this past summer (according to their website).   I wish them luck putting this together. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 03, 2009, 04:00:53 PM
Bonzo, 1500 pesos sounds more like it, with unlimited Dos Equis 'stay thirsty my friend'
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2009, 10:43:42 PM
According to a story in today's Express News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/Staska_ready_to_lead_Trinity.html), senior Jeremy Staska has been named the starter at QB for Trinity.

Poll results:

Ok, NOW who's going to win the SCAC this season?
Austin - 3 (5.8%)
BSC - 0 (0%)
Centre - 2 (3.8%)
DePauw - 15 (28.8%)
Millsaps - 12 (23.1%)
Rhodes - 0 (0%)
Sewanee - 1 (1.9%)
Trinity - 19 (36.5%)


Total Voters: 52

[thanks to TigerDad for the correction on Staska's first name]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 04, 2009, 08:24:06 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2009, 10:43:42 PM
According to a story in today's Express News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/Staska_ready_to_lead_Trinity.html), senior Robert Staska has been named the starter at QB for Trinity.

Ron ... actually it's Jeremy Staska.  Nice article by the SA Express-News ... wow, who'd have thought there was a football program in San Antonio besides the UIW Bensons Cardinals?! Sorry, that was a bit sarcastic for early Friday morning ...

Hey, y'all ... it's the "Day Before Game One!"  Let's get fired up.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2009, 09:51:14 AM
My bad, got the two QB first names crossed up.  Getting old is hell ...

and you notice they had a bigger story on UIW and how they did so well against that scrub team they just played.  Let's see how they do against a real D2 team this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 04, 2009, 10:18:12 AM
Staying with the theme of local write-ups, here is the Jackson Clarion Ledger write up on the Backyard Brawl:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20090902/SPORTS030105/909020339/1085/QBs-Graves--Shaffer-on-spot-in-latest-Brawl

I certainly feel the Trinity fans pain of having poor coverage in the local paper, but this is nothing new!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 04, 2009, 10:20:19 AM
I'm fired up and looking with great anticipation to the Millsaps @ MS College matchup tomorrow.

Most people don't know that this "Backyard Brawl" between the two schools is a series that started back up around 10 years ago after being suspended for about 40 years due to the bad blood, fights, and vandalism that surrounded the sporting events between the two schools.  

When this series restarted around 1999 or 2000, the main selling point was the novelty of the schools renewing the rivalry.  That novelty has worn off and in its place is the selling point that these are two very good football programs on the way up.  

The big question for Millsaps is what the graduation of Juan Joseph and a host of talented receivers will mean to the program.  Obviously the overall program at Millsaps has come forward light years with the arrival of Coach DuBose, but was the level of success seen obtainable only because of Joseph?  Or will this year's group go forward without missing a beat?  They still talk about winning the National Title as being the goal at the start of the season.  Saturday night we find out if that's just talk or if the 2009 team is really going to carry the program closer to that goal.

MS College hasn't had the same success in recent years as Millsaps, but they have been bitten by bad luck lately and having to deal with a monster of a team at the top of their conference.  How is their record setting quarterback going to do this season after going out to injury so early last season?  How much of an impact with the new JUCO players make--I have it from a reliable source that some of these new guys are really big time players.  MS College has long used the MS Junior College to restock their basketball program and stay at or near the top of the ASC--I wonder if this is year one of applying that formula to the football program in hopes of surpassing the UMHB's of the world?  That will be something interesting to watch.

The bottom line is that the "Backyard Brawl" between Millsaps and MS College should be a great game this Saturday night at 7:00.  I believe that both schools will have a free webcast of the game and here's the link to the Millsaps feed--I hope that some of you will tune in and check out a great D3 football game:

http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Milsaps-College
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2009, 03:26:46 PM
The "Brawl" is one of the rivalries that Keith and Pat have seen.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2003-09-11/Season+off+to+a+fine+start
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 04, 2009, 08:04:11 PM
Might as well also share {without permission} the "preview" of the 2009 Roo's found in Sherman's local paper - The Herald Democrat:

            http://www.heralddemocrat.com/hd/Sports/Roos-ready-to-run

For the Roos, a winning season needs to start with the first game! Beat these guys last year and we finish 6-4. So pull for us tomorrow, guys.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on September 04, 2009, 09:19:41 PM
 :'(


here i sit in the Tampa airport waiting on my 7:30 flight to Atl and then to Jackson. It's now 9:20 and no sign of flight. I will have to get to Atlanta tonight and spend the night to get first flight out to Jackson to meet up with all the Sapheads and husband.  Can't wait to see the game and my son punt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 05, 2009, 12:13:50 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2009, 04:57:08 PM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on September 01, 2009, 04:25:59 PM

I would think their standards are alot more relaxed than D3 deals with the NCAA.  Think of NAIA but worse... probably had a 25 year old tailback or something.. ;)

According to a SA Express-News story, UIW had problems getting a roster from Monterrey Tech, the film they got was incredibly grainy and years old. etc.   After getting a roster, Incarnate Word was told to ignore a bunch of it because the over-24 players would not be coming. 

Oof...that's not at all what I wanted to hear.  Something tells me that week/game is going to be a chore.

FYI, the AC/SAGU game tomorrow WILL have live stats.  AC has live stats for all home games for the first time this year, which can be found HERE (http://baseball.austincollege.edu).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 11:10:16 AM
Quote from: jekelish on September 05, 2009, 12:13:50 AM

Oof...that's not at all what I wanted to hear.  Something tells me that week/game is going to be a chore.

FYI, the AC/SAGU game tomorrow WILL have live stats.  AC has live stats for all home games for the first time this year, which can be found HERE (http://baseball.austincollege.edu).

Well, look at it this way:  they lost to a team playing its first-ever football game.  So yeah, they'll be physical, but it's not like they're Mount Union.   Maybe Coach Gage can call up his counterpart at UIW to get their game film.  

Great news on the live stats.   +1 !!

Quote from: rooski on September 04, 2009, 08:04:11 PM
Might as well also share {without permission} the "preview" of the 2009 Roo's found in Sherman's local paper - The Herald Democrat:

            http://www.heralddemocrat.com/hd/Sports/Roos-ready-to-run

For the Roos, a winning season needs to start with the first game! Beat these guys last year and we finish 6-4. So pull for us tomorrow, guys.

No permission needed to share a link, that's why they put the story on the web in the first place.   ;)

Good luck Roos, take care of SAGU today!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Austin all over SAGU, 34-7 late in the 4th. 
Rhodes defeats Westminster (Mo), 26-7.
Centre-Hanover is over, score not posted anywhere yet, ditto BSC-LaGrange.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 06:52:27 PM
Centre scores three unanswered TDs in the fourth quarter to ease past Hanover, 34-20.
LaGrange beats Birmingham-Southern, 30-27, scoring a field goal as time expired. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 07:40:40 PM
McMurry just put together a solid drive to take a 7-3 lead.

Trinity only threw the ball twice in the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 08:02:55 PM
Trinity gets to the McM 10, but the Nation gets an interception to turn the Tigers away.  Still 7-3.  

McM 75-yard TD pass nullified by a hold.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 08:11:55 PM
TU defense holds and after a ten-yard punt, Staska throws a 38-yd TD pass to Daniel South.  10-7 Trinity with 1:36 left in the half.

TU defense holds, Caleb Urban can't make an over-the-head catch which would have resulted in another score. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 08:23:31 PM
A couple of big pass plays from McM (where the *(&! did this QB come from, he has a heck of an arm) and they'll try a 26-yd FG to tie it at the half ... no good.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 08:49:27 PM
Just underway in the second half.  Davidson in at QB for Trinity, gets sacked on third and long, McMurry ball at their 35 after a good punt.

Millsaps trails Mississippi College 3-0 late in the second.  

Millsaps gets a ~35-yd fieldgoal with about a minute left in the half to tie Mississippi College at 3-all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 08:55:54 PM
McMurry marches right down the field but inexplicably start running the ball once they're inside the ten and have to settle for a short field goal.  10-10 with 9:20 to play in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 05, 2009, 08:56:12 PM
Thanks for the updates Ron! We are quite interested...

What does the McM "D" look like?

Is the TU Tiger able to put any pressure on "the Nation's" QB?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: baddog on September 05, 2009, 08:59:42 PM
What were/are the SCAC fans expecting from TU this season?
This does not look like the usual McM-TU game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 09:00:12 PM
Hard to assess the McM D.  They are doing a good job against the run.  TU started to have success passing late in the second once they decided that was what they wanted to do.

TU has gotten some pressure on the McM QB but it's a very open offense and designed for quick releases.  

McM tried an onside kick, didn't work, TU has it inside the McM 35.  Looks like Davidson is still in at QB (can't listen at present, just watching the video).

Trinity goes for it on fourth down and converts on an OPTION PITCH.  That, baddog, should tell you something about Trinity - they are trying to run the ball more this year but have a very inexperienced OL.  The only returning starter got moved to C.

Davidson scores from six yards out on a very nice misdirection around left end.    PAT's good, so it's 17-10 Trinity w/7:50 left in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 09:06:02 PM
Huh.  I guess it was end of the first quarter in Mississippi - MC now leads Millsaps 10-3.

A Trinity INT is wiped out by a roughing the passer call.

One play later a McM TD is wiped out by a clipping call.   McM has the ball on the TU 28.

McM stalls but gets a 43-yd FG, 17-13 w/4:30 to play in the quarter.   The McM QB, Mullen, went to the same high school as Roy Hampton (tip o' the hat to historymajor for that).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 09:24:52 PM
TU gets good field position but can't do anything with it.  McM takes over on their 13.

MC is driving on Millsaps, inside the 20.

Mullen completes a 69-yd TD pass, take a 20-17 lead late in the third.

MC now up 17-3 on Millsaps, 1:17 to play in the first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 09:37:17 PM
MC scores on a punt return just before the half, now 24-3 there.

Trinity answers with a 75-yard drive, mostly on the ground [!], to retake the lead.  24-20 TU with 12:10 to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 09:43:20 PM
Trinity pressure finally gets to McM as Mullen  underthrows a receiver and Trinity picks it off at their 45.  The Tigers are blitzing nearly every down now.

On third-and-ten from the McM 40, Davidson puts a nice touch on a ball to I think, Urban Riley Curry who has one-on-one coverage with a DB, who he sidesteps as Trinity extends its lead to 31-20 with 8:01 to play.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: baddog on September 05, 2009, 09:46:53 PM
And McM pays for it. The IT, that is.
TU's QB is running and throwing pretty well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 09:49:09 PM
McM gets a nice pass to big #9, but he fumbles and Trinity recovers at their own 27.


BTW:  Mullen had 444 yards passing BEFORE that 30+ yard completion.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: baddog on September 05, 2009, 09:52:02 PM
Wow, "Big Mo(mentum)" is on the TU side!

OOp! Sorry, TU folks. I put the hoodoo on you. My bad.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 09:52:23 PM
Quote from: baddog on September 05, 2009, 09:52:02 PM
Wow, "Big Mo(mentum)" is on the TU side!

Until they fumbled, McM recovers at the TU 30.

Two plays later they score.  This kid Mullen is throwing some passes exactly where they need to go.  

McM goes for two ... good pressure on Mullen, WR can't corral the ball.  31-26, 6:20 left.

Short kick almost works, bounces in front of a TU player who JUST gets it before the kick team gets there.  Trinity starts at their 35.  Nice run on second down is negated by a holding call, but there's also an unsportsmanlike conduct foul so the yardage ends up about the same - TU gets a first down on the personal foul. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: baddog on September 05, 2009, 10:01:11 PM
Not D3, but FYI: BYU just went up by 1 over OU late in the 4thQ ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 10:08:14 PM
Big third and six with 2:57 to play, Trinity at the McM 17, they try over the top into the end zone but it's too far.    Brings up a 35-yd FGA which is NO GOOD.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 10:11:11 PM
Mullen gets chased and hit by Satterthwaite as he releases the ball,  Trinity picks it off and returns to the 35.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: baddog on September 05, 2009, 10:11:53 PM
Was Mullen hurt on the play?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 10:12:40 PM
Quote from: baddog on September 05, 2009, 10:11:53 PM
Was Mullen hurt on the play?

Didn't seem to be any injury time after the play so I'd say no.  It looked like a hit where you could get hurt but hopefully he's OK.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 10:15:39 PM
McM strips the ball from Davidson  on a third down run but Trinity gets it back near midfield.  Good grief!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 10:18:19 PM
Millsaps opens the second half with a scoring drive to close to 24-10.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: baddog on September 05, 2009, 10:21:26 PM
BYU with 14-13 lead and the ball is taking knees with just over 1 minute left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 10:22:16 PM
Quote from: baddog on September 05, 2009, 10:21:26 PM
BYU with 14-13 lead and the ball is taking knees with just over 1 minute left.

wow ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: baddog on September 05, 2009, 10:28:27 PM
The TV  folks gave an interesting stat: BYU is 8-1 in its last 9 games against Big 12 teams.  :'(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 05, 2009, 10:32:22 PM
Sounds like the Roos will have their hands full next week in Abilene.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 10:36:01 PM
Millsaps scores again off a fumble return, 24-17 now but the Choctaws are driving in the Majors' red zone and score on a pass from about ten yards out.  Back to a 2 TD lead with the third quarter running down.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 10:59:02 PM
34-17 after a MC FG, then on the first play after the return (to midfield after a dumb late hit on MC) Millsaps scores on a long pass to close the gap to ten, 34-24. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 11:05:45 PM
Millsaps recovers a fumble on their own 30 with about five minute left.

Two plays later, it's 34-31 MC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 11:16:20 PM
Millsaps has it back on their 18 with 3 minutes left and all timeouts.

Majors can't do anything, punt it to MC who take over at their 35 with 2:16 on the clock.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 11:26:46 PM
MC fumbles a punt with < 10 seconds left - Millsaps recovers and Taylor Russolino hits a career 47-yd FG as time expires to send it into OT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 11:36:23 PM
Millsaps wins toss - MC gets ball, scores on its possession, XP is good.  41-34 pending Millsaps' turn.

Takes Millsaps all of two plays to return the favor (the MC pass defense has basically sucked the second half).  XP is good, on to OT2.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 11:42:52 PM
Millsaps had a third and eight, converted but were called for offensive holding, now have to convert a third and 24 (wtf??) ... pass for 20, Millsaps 26 yd FG is good, Majors lead 44-41 with MC still to play.

MC gains 9.5 yds, has a third and short ... gained three.  Now at the 12.
Pass for six.
Quick out to Ellis with blocking in front, MC wins 47-44 in 2OT. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 06, 2009, 12:04:50 AM
I'm sitting in a hotel in Abilene, very glad TU won tonight.  Momentum seemed to swing wildly back and forth and quickly as well. 

As an o-linemen parent, naturally I spent a lot of time watching them.  We had some guys out, two soph's and a freshman got their first college start.  The freshman, Hong, seems like a great pick up for the Oline this year.  6'3 or so, 300+ and he can move. 

Lots of first game jitters it seemed with both teams.  Both teams dropped some passes that might have turned out to be key plays. 

I don't know the names of the TU QB's yet.  The young man in the 2nd half seemed to be having a pretty good game.  He might have been the same guy from 1st half, but I honestly spend most of my time watching the line until one of those talented backs burst up through the middle!

Baer and Furrow both had some nice runs to start the season. 

It's quite obvious the new coach Mummy has the McManiacs pumped up.  This was my first time here.  Very nice field.  Stands were nicely done up.  Ralph said a lot of it was new this year.  They even had concessions on our side of the field.  I loved the giant McM banner that covered the entire wall of the field house.  It was huge and quite classy looking.  Scoreboard has video, all the toys here it seems. 

It was fun to watch the new offense McM fielded.  They are going to win some games this year.  TU started out only rushing three and the QB had too much time.  We started firing LB's and even going at times with a 4 man front.  Putting pressure on the McM offense is the way TU came up with some answers.  But, the QB had a good game and dumped it off when needed.  Good timing for the most part.  The TU rush paid off with some big INT's.  TU D-line and LB's look solid. 

One game doesn't tell a season, but I do think the TU secondary is better so far than last season. 

That last double fumble thing was a crazy way to end a crazy game. 

Officiating tonight got a C-/D+.  D-3 officiating for the 12 or 13 games I've seen so far leave a lot to be desired. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 06, 2009, 12:09:11 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 11:42:52 PM
Millsaps had a third and eight, converted but were called for offensive holding, now have to convert a third and 24 (wtf??) ... pass for 20, Millsaps 26 yd FG is good, Majors lead 44-41 with MC still to play.

MC gains 9.5 yds, has a third and short ... gained three.  Now at the 12.
Pass for six.
Quick out to Ellis with blocking in front, MC wins 47-44 in 2OT. 

That's a tough match up for both teams to start the year.  Both talented teams and only one can win.  I think I'd rather see that game played later in the year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 06, 2009, 12:48:15 AM
Quote from: Tex on September 06, 2009, 12:04:50 AM
I'm sitting in a hotel in Abilene, very glad TU won tonight. 

I am also sitting in a hotel in Abilene and have this to say ... AMEN BROTHER!

The TU Tigers escaped with a very narrow victory tonight over McMurry ... 31-26.  Coach Mumme made a few gutsy calls, some that didn't work out for his young team.  They went for it a couple times when they should have punted, but those guys showed guts and heart ... gave all they had tonight and were 180 degrees different from the team that visited SA last fall.  My hat's off to the McMurry football coaches and players ... they will win some ballgames this year and have alot more fun than last year's 0-10.  They will surprise some middle-record teams in the ASC this year.  AC better watch their step and bring their A-game next week!

Trinity, on the other hand, had a very slow start and did not look sharp.  Their offensive plan did not pan out early and McMurry really put their hats on the ball in the first half.  The Black Flag really struggled to contain the new Air Raid attack ... couldn't get enough pressure on QB Jake Mullin and he had WAY too much time to pick his receivers.  New TU QB Jeremy Staska looked tentative and did not trust his receivers or backs early.  As a result, most Tiger drives stalled quickly and they scored only one FG and one TD before the half.

In the second half, Trinity looked better ... 2nd QB Robert Davidson looked a bit more confident and the Tigers managed a few more sustained drives.  The big difference in the second half was the adjustments made by the Tiger D and coaches.  They put more pressure on Mullin and he made some rookie mistakes ... threw up some balls he should not have and Trinity intercepted twice in the fourth.

Big play of the game was the double-fumble.  On third down with about a minute left, Davidson was tackled and stripped of the football by McMurry defender Andrew Wallace near mid-field.  As he broke toward Trinity's goal-line, TU RB Al Furlow tackled him and wrestled the ball away.  The result of the double change in possession (in about 2 seconds) was first down for TU with less than a minute remaining.  Davidson took two snaps and a knee and the Tigers escaped with a victory.

As they say, "A win is a win."  That especially applies tonight.  It was an exhausting, frustrating game to watch from the visitor's side, but I must say the McMurry fans got everything they could want from their newly reborn team except for the win.  A win for them would have been huge for their program and hugely BAD for the Tigers ... perhaps it would have ended their playoff hopes before they began.  As it is, if they lick their wounds and bring more and better each week, I think they have a chance at the SCAC title.  A young offensive line did well for starters, the veterans stepped up when it counted.  And, brand-spanking-new (to Trinity) first-year kicker Garrett Biel did a fine job.  As did new punter Kyle Trella.

Had a nice visit with Ralph at halftime and, again, congrats to McMurry for a fine effort and good luck in the rest of their season.

Tigers ... enjoy your brief Labor Day weekend and practice hard ... bring it all to Seguin next week!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2009, 03:58:18 AM
Thanks TU fans.

It was good to see TigerDad and HistoryMajor again, and the TU broadcast crew.

Nice to See/meet Tex, too.

Great game.  We are left with a team that can do it.  They can commit to winning and getting better.  It should be fun.  I think that TU wins the SCAC.

I will elaborate on the changes that I say in the facilities this year on the ASC board.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on September 06, 2009, 11:37:52 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 04:54:30 PM
Austin all over SAGU, 34-7 late in the 4th. 
Rhodes defeats Westminster (Mo), 26-7.
Centre-Hanover is over, score not posted anywhere yet, ditto BSC-LaGrange.

Actually, Ron, Rhodes won 26-14 over Westminster. It was a tight game for the 1st half according to the newspaper recap; Rhodes controlled the 2nd half.  Glad see the Colonels triumphed over Hanover.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 06, 2009, 02:07:47 PM
Sounds like Coach Mumme may have brought some Millsaps-like magic to McM. Not sure thats what AC was hoping for - essentially a double dose of the Majors in week 2 and 3.

Compared to '08 the Roos initially look to have improved in the red-zone {4-6} and special teams {clearly won the field position battle}, and lost no turnovers! But we took a nasty step backward regarding penalties {13-136yds}. Yes we will still run it at ya, but the 59yd down-the-field TD pass was no fluke. So I guess the jury is still out on the "O" and we will find out a lot about them the next two weeks.

Our DB play encouraged me. It seems like our experience will pay off and the added speed can only help. Our D-line also encouraged me. But based on the reports from last night the "D" will be seriously tested against McM and MC - and Centre too for that matter. And two of those three games are on the road. However the week 1 win makes it 5 wins in the last 7 games for AC so it's not all smoke and mirrors... I know one thing. Coach Gage and the Roos intend to win them.

From a satatistical standpoint, while it looks like Chris Graves had a pretty eventful night and claimed ownership of the Millsaps offense, Centre's Osterman may be "the man" initially as far as SCAC offenses are concerned. The stat sheet for Centre's game shows Tyler with 29 of 43 for 324 yds, 4 TDs, no INT's and 104 net yds rushing. Pretty good start to '09 for the Colonel Soph. - Nice goin' Tyler!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 06, 2009, 04:13:48 PM
Quote from: rooski on September 06, 2009, 02:07:47 PMFrom a statistical standpoint, while it looks like Chris Graves had a pretty eventful night and claimed ownership of the Millsaps offense, Centre's Osterman may be "the man" initially as far as SCAC offenses are concerned.

...Of course, DPU's stud Spud will have something to say about that as well. And who knows what surprises may await...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 06, 2009, 04:29:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2009, 11:10:16 AMNo permission needed to share a link, that's why they put the story on the web in the first place.   ;)

Thanks coach!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 06, 2009, 09:43:33 PM
How about those Roos!!  ;D The new D3Football.com Top 25 has Austin College receiving 1 vote!! :D

A win over McMurry might propel us on to new and greater heights!!  ::)

Seriously, this is a nice tribute for AC and I hope it is appreciated by all close to the program!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2009, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 06, 2009, 09:43:33 PM
How about those Roos!!  ;D The new D3Football.com Top 25 has Austin College receiving 1 vote!! :D

A win over McMurry might propel us on to new and greater heights!!  ::)

Seriously, this is a nice tribute for AC and I hope it is appreciated by all close to the program!

Well you can be certain that McMurry would love to upset #50 Austin College!   ;)   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 06, 2009, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2009, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 06, 2009, 09:43:33 PM
How about those Roos!!  ;D The new D3Football.com Top 25 has Austin College receiving 1 vote!! :D

A win over McMurry might propel us on to new and greater heights!!  ::)

Seriously, this is a nice tribute for AC and I hope it is appreciated by all close to the program!

Well you can be certain that McMurry would love to upset #50 Austin College!   ;)   ;D


From what I saw last night, AC better bring it's "A" game or Ralph's wish will come true. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 06, 2009, 11:55:25 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 06, 2009, 09:56:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2009, 09:54:19 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 06, 2009, 09:43:33 PM
How about those Roos!!  ;D The new D3Football.com Top 25 has Austin College receiving 1 vote!! :D

A win over McMurry might propel us on to new and greater heights!!  ::)

Seriously, this is a nice tribute for AC and I hope it is appreciated by all close to the program!

Well you can be certain that McMurry would love to upset #50 Austin College!   ;)   ;D


From what I saw last night, AC better bring it's "A" game or Ralph's wish will come true. 

Tex,
I fully agree.  Both McMurry and AC appear to be much improved this year.  This game might tell us a lot about both teams' real ability.  When you have been down as long as Ralph and I have, anything said that is nice about your program is a big boost!!  I am considering making the trek to Abilene to see.  A real clash of the titans. ;D ::) :P

PS:  I made an offer last year for us to maybe have lunch.  Are you still in College Station? PM me if this is something you would like to do!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 07, 2009, 09:52:12 AM
PM back at you Roo!  Sorry for my bad manners. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 07, 2009, 01:45:32 PM
Quote from: rooski on September 06, 2009, 04:13:48 PM
...Of course, DPU's stud Spud will have something to say about that as well. And who knows what surprises may await...

Valid point, particularly since he was 20-26 for 254 with 4 TD's against this club a year ago.  Looks like we had a lot of good QB play in Week 1.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 08, 2009, 07:39:58 AM
Had a somewhat long post written last night/this morning around 1.  Went to post it and lost it all with a "website not found" screen.  I forget to always do Ctrl A and copy before hitting that post button.

Mostly I was posting the link to the Millsaps vs. MC photos for any Millsaps fans that might be reading but not posting.  Here's that link:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MillsapsCollege2009-10/FB2009/MCFB090509/9557745_5dUPV#642712718_hRaXx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 08, 2009, 11:11:59 AM
How much respect will AC earn IF they take it to McM this saturday? Trinitys trouble with " the nation" has me wondering about power shifts in the scac. Man I love football season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 08, 2009, 04:58:39 PM

DePauw announcement on James Mungro joining staff.

http://depauw.edu/news/?id=23979
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 08, 2009, 05:40:34 PM
Random Musings   re: Millsaps v. Miss Coll

1)  Frank:  Thanks for the hard work and so much time in posting your terrific photos ( I am in one of the crowd shots, but I ain't telling which one!!! lol)
2)  re:  MC v. MC    Seeing so many of the players cramping, etc. and needing serious icing down, IVs...makes me wonder what a daytime 80 degree plus game will look like.
3)  I was pretty impressed with Graves at QB and thought he did a solid job.  Noticed he got a few words o' wisdom from Juan Joseph toward the end of the game...Let's put a coaches cap on Juan and put him on the sideline!
4)  Enjoyed the kicking game from both Russolino and Larimore.  That 47 yard FG was made with no hesitation!
5)  Saw Peters play through some serious pain, yet he seemed to be all over that field...good hustle!
6)  Double overtime games wear me out!!   Too much suspense!! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 08, 2009, 10:25:37 PM
McMurry youtube of the Trinity game.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGDJaXXbxQs

The last play is caught from two angles.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 08, 2009, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: RooBro on September 08, 2009, 11:11:59 AM
How much respect will AC earn IF they take it to McM this saturday? Trinitys trouble with " the nation" has me wondering about power shifts in the scac. Man I love football season!

Be careful, RooBro ... crow can be a bit gamey this early in the season!  If the 'Roos are headed to Abilene, they'd better take their earplugs.  Might be an Air Raid comin'
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 09, 2009, 12:38:31 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 08, 2009, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: RooBro on September 08, 2009, 11:11:59 AM
How much respect will AC earn IF they take it to McM this saturday? Trinitys trouble with " the nation" has me wondering about power shifts in the scac. Man I love football season!

Be careful, RooBro ... crow can be a bit gamey this early in the season!  If the 'Roos are headed to Abilene, they'd better take their earplugs.  Might be an Air Raid comin'

I was raised a UNT fan, so I have tasted the black bird before, and will no doubt savor its juicy meat again. I was in Abilene 2 years ago for an AC loss and have plenty of concern for the new look Indians. Football is a beautiful game in that change is not always better. I am an old O-lineman and know how a high powered throwing team can look silly without the ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 09, 2009, 01:31:44 AM
I believe I am going to make it to Abilene the see AC vs. McMurry.  Are there any other Roo posters that plan to make it?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 09, 2009, 09:42:59 AM
A brief mention about Millsaps in today's local newspaper:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20090909/SPORTS030105/909090329/1085/NOTEBOOK--Belhaven-s-next-task--Tackle-feisty-Millsaps

A preview of this weeks game with Belhaven from the Millsaps website (I was surprised to read that Millsaps was 0 for 10 on third down conversions last Saturday):

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/9/8/FB_0908092941.aspx

Regarding Austin College:  I wish them well this week against McMurry and a win would certainly be great for the AC team.  However, it will be the next week when they host Millsaps that we'll get a better idea of how they are progressing with regards to the SCAC competition.  As one who witnessed an abrupt and remarkable turnaround at Millsaps in recent years, I know that teams can improve a lot in a hurry.  I certainly don't see the Austin game next week as a tuneup for Trinity or a guaranteed win.  But for now, the Belhaven game is the only one that matters and I expect the Majors will be a much sharper team this Saturday than what they showed at the beginning of the MS College game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 09, 2009, 12:50:16 PM
WE HAVE A VOTE!  WE HAVE A VOTE! WE HAVE A VOTE!


Sorry, I know its not he biggest deal in the world but compared to how awful things have been since I started at AC in '01 this is really happy news. 

Now hopefully they can keep it up against a suddenly dangerous McMurry!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 09, 2009, 08:28:24 PM
Poll on the front page is kind of a head-scratcher for me...

Which of the 6 ranked teams that debut Saturday (#5 Wheaton, #7 UW-SP, #12 Cortland St, #17 Hobart, #18 Montclair St, #23 DePauw) is most likely to lose? 

UW-SP is playing a ranked Central team.  Hobart's playing a pretty darned good Dickinson team.  Wheaton only beat Bethel 10-7 last year.  Montclair St beat Wilkes by 7 last year.  Meanwhile, DePauw is playing a team that they've beaten by a combined 75 points over the last two seasons, yet DePauw is leading the poll by a pretty wide margin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on September 09, 2009, 09:55:26 PM
Roocru, I will be making the trip to Abilene to support the Roos.  Maybe we can surprise Mr "Air Raid". 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2009, 11:14:58 PM
Probably people thinking that since DePauw is the lowest-ranked team on the board it makes the most sense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 09, 2009, 11:18:17 PM
I had figured as much, and I understand the coaching change was a big story, but they're playing the worst team of any of the candidates by a long shot.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 09, 2009, 11:29:16 PM
Quote from: FBCleatus on September 09, 2009, 09:55:26 PM
Roocru, I will be making the trip to Abilene to support the Roos.  Maybe we can surprise Mr "Air Raid". 

I sent you a pm.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2009, 08:51:13 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 09, 2009, 11:18:17 PM
I had figured as much, and I understand the coaching change was a big story, but they're playing the worst team of any of the candidates by a long shot.

You're assuming ppl actually are looking into the opponents before clicking the button.  That compared with Pat's observation AND the fact that DPU is (currently) the least known on the national scene make DPU the easy choice for the uninformed. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 10, 2009, 02:39:00 PM
When in doubt, blame it on East Coast Bias!

Wes, DePauw should win by the largest spread of those teams mentioned in the poll.

Total aside - have you been to the Cavern Club in Greencastle?  Same ownership as the Boulder Creek/Stone Creek restaurants around Indy. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 10, 2009, 05:06:28 PM
roocru, rooski, RooBro and other 'Roo's ...

Y'all have a safe trip to Abilene ... we'll be watching how AC handles the Air Raid.  Hope your trip is enjoyable and that the tribe doesn't get a "W" on the SCAC!

(Sorry, Ralph, I gotta root for the SCAC ... on this board anyway!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 10, 2009, 06:35:32 PM
Thanks for the boost there Tigerdad. We'll see how it goes. Each of the last two years games have been close ones, down to the wire. Actually not decided until the last play. In 2007 the last play was an AC pass into the endzone which - if caught - would have tied the game after a sizeable second half comeback and a made extra point would have won it with no time left. Then last year in the hurricane rain we managed to win in the second overtime.

It seems both teams have come along since that 2007 game and we may see a barn burner like what you endured last week. My hope is that it is a crisp, well played game and of course that the Roos go 2-0 for the first time since I've been "on board". And we're eager to see another game at McMurry. I know they will play as if their hair is on fire and the fans there were high energy last time we were there. So it will be fun to have a good road turnout of Roo backers in the east stands. And maybe I'll get to meet Ralph.

But hey, we're not just about the Roos. We're pulling for another solid weekend across the SCAC! Especially for the Texas connection vs the ASC! {It's kinda interesting that there are more night games than day games this weekend.}
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2009, 08:58:28 PM
Sorry rooski.  I have moved to Tyler, and the 5 hour drive each way takes a chunk out of a Saturday.

I will be watching the video stream.

Travel safely, Roo fans.  I hope that the old time Roo fans will take a look at the upgrades to Wilford Moore (fka Indian) Stadium.

This rivalry ranks second (behind the TU series) for AC which leads the series 35-30-2  and dates back to a 6-6 tie in 1934.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 10, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
That's understandable Ralph. But if the McM football team is as exciting as it sounds, you may have to look in to getting a helicopter to shorten that commute.

Am I right in thinking that the early part of "the upgrades to Wilford Moore" began prior to the '07 season? It seems like our last game in Abilene was the first McM game on the current turf and that the scoreboard had been updated prior to that season as well?

Also, what is future regarding the mascot. No longer the Indians, will they simply go forward as "the McMurry football team"?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ProudFightingScot on September 10, 2009, 10:05:25 PM
What's the weather suppose to be like in Danville Saturday night???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2009, 10:18:23 PM
Quote from: rooski on September 10, 2009, 09:52:47 PM
That's understandable Ralph. But if the McM football team is as exciting as it sounds, you may have to look in to getting a helicopter to shorten that commute.

Am I right in thinking that the early part of "the upgrades to Wilford Moore" began prior to the '07 season? It seems like our last game in Abilene was the first McM game on the current turf and that the scoreboard had been updated prior to that season as well?

Also, what is future regarding the mascot. No longer the Indians, will they simply go forward as "the McMurry football team"?
On page 1 in the first number of the 86th edition of the Tribe Tribune, I quote...

Quote...

In March of 2010, McMurry will host a conference on what it means to recognize the Native American culture. Dr John Russell believes that this event may be the springboard to a discussion about our mascot.

"If we establish that we are going to recognize Indian history and culture, that may define the playing field for choosing a mascot," Russell said.  "If that is where we go with this, I think it's gong to be fun."

...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 11, 2009, 10:13:41 AM
New to the board and an avid follower of Millsaps Football. Should be a dogfight on Saturday in Jackson between the Blazers and Majors. I did see a brief rundown on the Millsaps site, and everything points to a very good game. I just hope the weather holds off long enough :)

Hopefully I'll meet some of you down the road. GO MAJORS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 11, 2009, 06:08:55 PM

DePauw game notes for season opener at Anderson.

Kick at 7 p.m. Saturday.

http://depauw.edu/ath/football/2009/notes/anderson.pdf


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 11, 2009, 10:09:00 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 11, 2009, 10:13:41 AM
New to the board and an avid follower of Millsaps Football. Should be a dogfight on Saturday in Jackson between the Blazers and Majors. I did see a brief rundown on the Millsaps site, and everything points to a very good game. I just hope the weather holds off long enough :)

Hopefully I'll meet some of you down the road. GO MAJORS!

Welcome to the board!  We've got a rather loyal, albeit it fairly small, group of posters for the SCAC board.  It's always friendly and all are welcome. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 11, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
TigerDad, if I show up tomorrow night in Seguin, we've got better than average chances of no rain.  In three years of watching my son play varsity football in HS, and then last year at TU, it's never rained. 

I bought one of those rain shields for my camera and long lens.  It's never been used in four years. 

That being said, the remnants of that hurricane circling around central TX makes this look like it might be my first. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2009, 10:15:27 PM
I'm definitely not going to pile in the car tomorrow afternoon if the radar looks like it did today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 12, 2009, 10:52:15 AM
I know it must be tough for you guys in south Texas to wish away rain as dry as it has been down there. What type of field will the game be played on in Seguin?

The turf at McMurry will be very wet turf if the weather forecast holds true. {I've called my uncle "Noah" to see if he can get us to Abilene and back. Looks like we will need him if this rain does not stop.} Don't know if rain will be an advantage for the Roo's against "the air raid" but I guess we'll go see. At least it won't be 95 degrees at gametime.

Good luck to DePauw in their opener this weekend... GO SCAC!... God bless the boys!!... Enjoy the games everyone!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 12, 2009, 11:19:35 AM
QuoteGood luck to DePauw in their opener this weekend... GO SCAC!... God bless the boys!!... Enjoy the games everyone!!!

Thank you Rooski...and back atcha...good luck and GO SCAC! Looking forward to a great weekend of football...safe travels to all!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2009, 11:35:52 AM
Quote from: rooski on September 12, 2009, 10:52:15 AM
I know it must be tough for you guys in south Texas to wish away rain as dry as it has been down there. What type of field will the game be played on in Seguin?

The turf at McMurry will be very wet turf if the weather forecast holds true. {I've called my uncle "Noah" to see if he can get us to Abilene and back. Looks like we will need him if this rain does not stop.} Don't know if rain will be an advantage for the Roo's against "the air raid" but I guess we'll go see. At least it won't be 95 degrees at gametime.

Good luck to DePauw in their opener this weekend... GO SCAC!... God bless the boys!!... Enjoy the games everyone!!!

TLU plays on turf:

Seguin ISD (Matador Stadium)
Seguin, Texas 2002
Track Masters, Inc. selected as design/build contractor for new Prestige System artificial turf installation. Project complete by 8/15/2002.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 12, 2009, 02:56:31 PM
Ron, Accuweather says 40-50% chance of rain in Seguin this evening, but weather radar shows S. Central Texas in the eye of the low-pressure rainstorm this afternoon.  I think you need to "pile into that car" ... you know you want to see those Tigers today!  Set your DVR for "D-1" and c'mon down.

;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2009, 08:13:02 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 12, 2009, 02:56:31 PM
Ron, Accuweather says 40-50% chance of rain in Seguin this evening, but weather radar shows S. Central Texas in the eye of the low-pressure rainstorm this afternoon.  I think you need to "pile into that car" ... you know you want to see those Tigers today!  Set your DVR for "D-1" and c'mon down.

;)

Didn't make it ... watching the game on the web and hoping for a better showing in the second half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 12, 2009, 08:42:59 PM
DPU 34 Anderson 0 at half.

Looks like that game has afforded me the liberty of skipping the second half audio feed in favor of USC/OSU.


Final - 55-7. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on September 12, 2009, 09:24:40 PM
Colonels are up 24-7 on Maryville early in the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2009, 09:43:04 PM
Trinity struggles offensively all night, but the defense makes enough plays to set up a last-second field goal to send the Tigers to a 22-21 win at Texas Lutheran.  

The TU defense was much improved, giving up only 159 yards.   TLU was winning the field position battle (good returns) and two of the three Bulldog TD drives were 40 yards or less.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2009, 10:01:33 PM
Looks like Austin is going to go 2-0 for the first time in a long while, leading 30-27 with the ball as time is running down. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 12, 2009, 10:06:50 PM
Final AC 30, McM 27.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 12, 2009, 10:13:14 PM
I don't even know the last time the Roos were 2-0 its been so long.  Maybe in the 80's?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on September 12, 2009, 10:18:49 PM
Not pretty, but Centre prevails at home over Maryville 24-17.  Colonels won the opening half and hung on for dear life in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 13, 2009, 12:07:37 AM
This just handed to me...

DePauw sets a school record for total offense (665) and passing yards (494) with tonight's win.  Only outgained Anderson by 419 yards.

Haven't had a chance to peruse all of the box scores from today, but I think somebody on that offense is going win the POTW.  Spud was 31-40 405 5TD's.  Koors 12rec 209 3TD's.  Mulligan 9rec 81 1TD.  Derrick Karazsia saw the majority of work on the ground - 22 carries for 107.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 13, 2009, 01:47:15 AM
As a friend says, "winners just know how to win".  I'll leave it at that.  Definitely snatched victory from the jaws of defeat. 

Seems like TU was trying to force the running game tonight.  It wasn't there.  But the dump passes to the backs were there.  When it mattered most in the 4th Q, TU's short passing game was enough to put them in position to secure the win (with the help of a FG kicker at the end). 

Kickers love kicking on high school fields.  (wider goal posts).  So, we had that going for us in the end, although from my angle, I have no idea if the extra width was even needed. 

Cardiac Kids so far this season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 13, 2009, 01:48:22 AM
Oh yeah, the luck of Tiger Cam came through yet again.  Not one drop of rain in Seguin during the game.  Take that, Accuweather!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 13, 2009, 09:52:35 AM
Trinity's Black Flag defense came up big yesterday at TLU, especially in the second half.  They gave up a total of only 159 yards ... TLU scored on a trick play in the first half and a very short field in the second.

On the other hand, TU's offense cannot get their act together.  The passing game is coming around, but the rushing game simply does not exist.  The young O-line is making progress, but will need to kick it up a notch now that conference play begins.

Looking forward to seeing what they accomplish in the next week of practice!

A big shout to TU's first-year kicker, Garrett Biel, who hit three field goals yesterday, including the game-winner as the clock ran out.

GO TIGERS.  Really, guys ... GO.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 13, 2009, 12:07:55 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 08, 2009, 11:42:31 PM
Quote from: RooBro on September 08, 2009, 11:11:59 AM
How much respect will AC earn IF they take it to McM this saturday? Trinitys trouble with " the nation" has me wondering about power shifts in the scac. Man I love football season!

Be careful, RooBro ... crow can be a bit gamey this early in the season!  If the 'Roos are headed to Abilene, they'd better take their earplugs.  Might be an Air Raid comin'


AC 30
- "Air Raid" 27


Hold that crow tiger dad
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 13, 2009, 12:46:50 PM
Congrats to DePauw Head Coach Robby Long on victory number 1. Also nice to see him sporting a shirt and tie on the sideine... :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 13, 2009, 01:00:24 PM
QuoteAC 30 - "Air Raid" 27


Hold that crow tiger dad

RooBroo---congrats on a nice win...you may recall I have been touting the AC program for some time in here...really impressive move up in two seasons...good the luck the rest of the way, with the exception of November 7, of course.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 13, 2009, 01:01:58 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 13, 2009, 12:46:50 PM
Also nice to see him sporting a shirt and tie on the sideine... :)

No kidding?!  That's awesome.  I talked to him briefly after the game last night, but he didn't bring that up.  Hilarious. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 13, 2009, 02:18:08 PM
QuoteNo kidding?!  That's awesome.  I talked to him briefly after the game last night, but he didn't bring that up.  Hilarious. 

Absolutely. Looked sharp and very old school as he led the team into the stadium.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on September 13, 2009, 02:50:30 PM
Some observations from yesterday's DPU-Anderson game:

* Alex Coors is dominant.  He goes and gets the ball wherever it is.
* DePauw has at least 7 kids who can really catch the ball well.
* The running game needs work.  They did not do much in the first half.  Most of the yards happened in the second half when AU was way down in the game.  Ellis is still hurting with a sore hammy.  He did show a great burst on 30 or so yard run in the second half.
* The o-line's pass blocking was very good.  I don't know how much of that is good line play or not so good AU line play.  Spud hardly was hit and he was able to lok at his 1, 2, and 3 reads often.
* Spud is accurate.  Enough said when you throw for 5 and 400 +.
* DPU needs to fix the KO cover.  There must have been at least 2 if not 3 30 to 40 yd plus returns.  It did get better after the first few.
* The defense looked good.  When the ones were in, I would say they may have gievn up 75 or less yards and maybe a couple first downs.  They were all out of the game after the mid-third quarter.
* Place kicking has got to improve.  A missed extra point and 2 short field goals cannot continue to happen or it will bite this team somewhere during the season.

Nice win.  Centre is 2 and 0 and will be a challenge next week in Greencastle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 13, 2009, 05:58:28 PM
Quote from: Fripp52 on September 13, 2009, 02:50:30 PM

* The defense looked good.  When the ones were in, I would say they may have gievn up 75 or less yards and maybe a couple first downs.  They were all out of the game after the mid-third quarter.


You make a good point that gives me some hope on Trinity right now.  While fans love blow outs and parents love to see a lot of kids get playing time, having to work hard until the last second of the game teaches your starters some things that blowouts do not accomplish.  Learning how to close out close games is always good for a team.  I'm hoping it pays dividends to TU as the SCAC schedule opens up this week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 13, 2009, 06:07:17 PM
My take on AC vs McMurry;

McMurry -

Mullin throws a good ball and is quite accurate, McM has good pass protection but run blocking was poor, McM must learn to run the ball some, good quickness and speed by receivers,  showed great competitiveness and kept coming back, no adjustments in defensive scheme to stop the run,  3-3 defense was not good against run at all and had too many soft spots to attack


AC -

Offense fits AC personnel extremely well,  Hasten is a stud and runs as hard as any back I have seen, AC was able to make adjustments on both offense and defense, offensive line blocked well but had to many illegal movement penalties and must work on that, dominated time of possession (38:57 - 21:03), McM had ball for 1:17 in whole 3rd quarter,  showed great competitiveness and kept coming back, great call by Coach Gage on last 3rd down play AC had to throw play action and keep ball from getting in McMurry's hands one more time, Braly is more accurate in his passing this year and AC showed they can pass ball if they need to

Game was extremely exciting with all the lead changes.  Was also fun to watch as two completely different styles of football.  Imagine Leach and Texas Tech against Darrell Royal and Texas teams of past!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 13, 2009, 06:48:17 PM
Really looking forward to the Millsaps @ Austin College game this weekend. As I figured last weekend, the game in Jackson was a dogfight with Belhaven -- a 27-10 win that was much closer.

Predictions on the game vs Austin College?? Millsaps has won four straight and six of seven, but this is a different bunch (on both sides).

Majors have dominated the series by somewhere around 17 ppg the last seven, so I'll make the first prediction and hope to hear some feedback from the Kangaroo faithful.

Millsaps 31, Austin College 13
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
Thanks for the report, roocru.

I watched the videostream last night and I saw last year's game.  I think that both teams are stronger than last year.

Coach Gage is in his fourth season at the helm.  That means he has had ample time to recruit into his system.

I can easily see AC finishing as strong as 6-3.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 13, 2009, 07:47:14 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 13, 2009, 06:48:17 PM
Really looking forward to the Millsaps @ Austin College game this weekend. As I figured last weekend, the game in Jackson was a dogfight with Belhaven -- a 27-10 win that was much closer.

Predictions on the game vs Austin College?? Millsaps has won four straight and six of seven, but this is a different bunch (on both sides).

Majors have dominated the series by somewhere around 17 ppg the last seven, so I'll make the first prediction and hope to hear some feedback from the Kangaroo faithful.

Millsaps 31, Austin College 13


  I wish I had better numbers to dispute with but the majors have humbled my roos for some time now.

  I will say this, it will be a closer score than that. The roos have scored 30 points in each of its first two games. Thats with 3 turnovers against McM(in the rain), and 10+ penalties in each game. These are things that can be corrected and were not a problem for them last season. I look foward to seeing if AC has turned the corner to the upper tier in the SCAC.


  Hey roocru, that was one of the gutsiest calls I have ever seen on third down to end the game. Sure was fun!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 13, 2009, 08:08:25 PM



  I wish I had better numbers to dispute with but the majors have humbled my roos for some time now.

  I will say this, it will be a closer score than that. The roos have scored 30 points in each of its first two games. Thats with 3 turnovers against McM(in the rain), and 10+ penalties in each game. These are things that can be corrected and were not a problem for them last season. I look foward to seeing if AC has turned the corner to the upper tier in the SCAC.


  Hey roocru, that was one of the gutsiest calls I have ever seen on third down to end the game. Sure was fun!
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Millsaps has also been flagged a ton this season, which could be an interesting stat to watch. We were flagged 15 times at MS College, but just four Saturday vs. Belhaven.

The front seven is stacked, with the biggest concern the secondary. Millsaps also won't average 43 ppg this year, but maybe somewhere around the 30 ppg range. I've been watching the 'Roos progress as well and know this won't be a pushover game like it has the last few years.

Looking forward to the game either way, and hopefully it will stay within 7-14 points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 13, 2009, 08:23:46 PM
QuoteSome observations from yesterday's DPU-Anderson game:

* Alex Coors is dominant.  He goes and gets the ball wherever it is.
* DePauw has at least 7 kids who can really catch the ball well.
* The running game needs work.  They did not do much in the first half.  Most of the yards happened in the second half when AU was way down in the game.  Ellis is still hurting with a sore hammy.  He did show a great burst on 30 or so yard run in the second half.
* The o-line's pass blocking was very good.  I don't know how much of that is good line play or not so good AU line play.  Spud hardly was hit and he was able to lok at his 1, 2, and 3 reads often.
* Spud is accurate.  Enough said when you throw for 5 and 400 +.
* DPU needs to fix the KO cover.  There must have been at least 2 if not 3 30 to 40 yd plus returns.  It did get better after the first few.
* The defense looked good.  When the ones were in, I would say they may have gievn up 75 or less yards and maybe a couple first downs.  They were all out of the game after the mid-third quarter.
* Place kicking has got to improve.  A missed extra point and 2 short field goals cannot continue to happen or it will bite this team somewhere during the season.

Nice win.  Centre is 2 and 0 and will be a challenge next week in Greencastle. 

Fripp---
Very accurate assesment. KO coverage was glaring, but I've go t to think that can be cleaned up in short order. I was more struck by kicking game. Havercamp has a big leg and can be pretty accurate...but must be consistent. Punt game looked good though...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 14, 2009, 08:46:01 PM
Will anyone be in Sherman to shoot (pictures) the AC - Millsaps game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 14, 2009, 08:58:04 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 13, 2009, 08:08:25 PM
The front seven is stacked, with the biggest concern the secondary. Millsaps also won't average 43 ppg this year, but maybe somewhere around the 30 ppg range. I've been watching the 'Roos progress as well and know this won't be a pushover game like it has the last few years.

Looking forward to the game either way, and hopefully it will stay within 7-14 points.

I too hope it stays within 7-14 points because I think it would help AC more than it would hurt MC. With our recent track record against the defending champ I don't see how anyone could pick the Roo's this weekend. But I do believe they intend to win it.

We do have some cleaning up to do if we want to have a chance to stay with the Majors on Saturday. It's probably one of those deals where if both teams play their best game Saturday Millsaps wins but I want to believe that if AC plays well and catches the Majors off their game a bit then who knows. But heck, we sat through the game in Jackson last year so you can bet we will be in Sherman to watch the "improved" Roo's go for the gusto.

I liked what RooCru said about last weeks game being like watching a Rick Leach team playing a DKR team. It may be similar this weekend, but the Roo's got a dose of it so maybe they will be "ready" this weekend. But I'll hold off from a prediction. I think you all know my desire.

*Those in Abilene saw the tremendous collision in the first quarter between AC's receiver Philip Gonzales and the McM defender {I regret I don't have his name]. Philip appeared to be out cold and lay on the field for some time before making his way to the sideline with a steadying hand of a trainer. I spoke with him afterward and he seemed to be clear headed and none the worse for the wear but I will be glad to see if he's back in the game on Saturday. It was pretty scary, but I appreciated the way the McMurry staff responed to the situation is support of Philip and the AC staff.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 14, 2009, 09:35:29 PM
Congratulations to DePauw WR Alex Koors...SCAC Offensive Player of the Week!

http://d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=2930
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 14, 2009, 09:44:50 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 14, 2009, 09:35:29 PM
Congratulations to DePauw WR Alex Koors...SCAC Offensive Player of the Week!

http://d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=2930

And to Millsaps senior linebacker David Dale who won the defensive honors:

Dale recorded eight tackles (five solo), 4.5 sacks, two fumble recoveries and a forced fumble in the Majors' 27-10 win over Belhaven. The 4.5 sacks marked a single-game school record. Dale's 4.5 sacks against Belhaven matched his career total entering the 2009 season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 14, 2009, 09:51:14 PM
Also in Millsaps news, I spent the late afternoon today taking photos at the MS College at Millsaps JV football game.  Obviously the score is secondary to getting some live game experience for the players, but I'll mention the score since Millsaps "won" 24-14.

Mostly it was good to see these guys out on the field after all the hard work they have put in for the last month.  And it was good to see a lot of the varsity players there supporting their teammates.  The Millsaps JV team will have 3 more games, a return match with MS College and then a home and away with Belhaven College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2009, 10:23:49 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 14, 2009, 09:51:14 PM
Also in Millsaps news, I spent the late afternoon today taking photos at the MS College at Millsaps JV football game.  Obviously the score is secondary to getting some live game experience for the players, but I'll mention the score since Millsaps "won" 24-14.

Mostly it was good to see these guys out on the field after all the hard work they have put in for the last month.  And it was good to see a lot of the varsity players there supporting their teammates.  The Millsaps JV team will have 3 more games, a return match with MS College and then a home and away with Belhaven College.

The 4 game schedule in Jackson makes sense.  Has Millsaps ever played a JV game versus Louisana College?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 14, 2009, 10:55:45 PM
The JV program is something that started with Coach DuBose and this is the third season--there were never enough players in the past to have a JV team.  So far, I believe each season has been home and aways with MC and Belhaven.  I know that LC has a JV because they are on the MS College schedule, but I have no idea if Millsaps has looked at playing games outside the metro Jackson area.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 15, 2009, 12:37:52 AM
Quote from: RooBro on September 14, 2009, 08:46:01 PM
Will anyone be in Sherman to shoot (pictures) the AC - Millsaps game?

Yes, Chris Skinner's dad (#46) will be making the trip, so he'll have some photos on his site.

Once I get the link, I'll post on here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on September 15, 2009, 08:12:37 AM
 ;D

Hey Frank it was great meeting you this past Saturday at the game. After 4 years of you taking my son's (and the teams) pics, it was great meeting you.  I look forward to talking to you at the rest of the home games. 

On the game side, I was very excited about the play of my son, the punter with pinning the opponent down on their 1 yard line, not once but twice. Sure helped with field position.

Patti-fl
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 12:54:24 PM
Hey Guys yall have a great board here at d3!!  Been following it for a few years as I scout southwest region small schools (d2 and d3) for several media publications and pro teams.

Every once in a while I will get a video of a kid on my desk I dont know much about.   So I figured someone might be able to tell me something about Ross Hasten #5 RB from Austin College...

I saw a vid of a run he made at McMurry you don't normally see from a d3 kid.  He was completely stuffed on the right side from about 7 yards out and magically changed directions to go to the opposite pylon for the td....it was impressive to say the least.

Hes not very tall but damn hes fast and has good instincts it seems.  Almost looks like a Wes Welker playing running back.  I have learned Coach Gage at AC does not pass much.

I saw his stats for the game, 153 yds. and 2 tds.  I know hes been around for awhile...you guys have any insight?? 

Ralph...would did you think about him at the McM game?  Years past?

Thanks Guys!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on September 15, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
I posted this on the South Region Fan Poll board, but it is probably more apropriate here.

Not questioning whether DePauw should be ranked as high as they are because honestly I just don't know that much about them, but what is different this year that puts them in elite status in the South? I noticed they have never beaten Trinity (0-9) and are 0-3 against Millsaps since Mike Dubose took over with the average score about 40-12.

Also, Trinity seems to be down. They've eeked out two wins against ASC teams who combined to go 4-16 a year ago. If they are down I would have to think that Millsaps is the team to beat in the SCAC again considering Trinity's opening games and Millsaps' recent history against DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 15, 2009, 01:13:14 PM
Quote from: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 12:54:24 PM
Hey Guys yall have a great board here at d3!!  Been following it for a few years as I scout southwest region small schools (d2 and d3) for several media publications and pro teams.

Every once in a while I will get a video of a kid on my desk I dont know much about.   So I figured someone might be able to tell me something about Ross Hasten #5 RB from Austin College...

I saw a vid of a run he made at McMurry you don't normally see from a d3 kid.  He was completely stuffed on the right side from about 7 yards out and magically changed directions to go to the opposite pylon for the td....it was impressive to say the least.

Hes not very tall but damn hes fast and has good instincts it seems.  Almost looks like a Wes Welker playing running back.  I have learned Coach Gage at AC does not pass much.

I saw his stats for the game, 153 yds. and 2 tds.  I know hes been around for awhile...you guys have any insight?? 

Ralph...would did you think about him at the McM game?  Years past?

Thanks Guys!!

I would say the best thing to do is be in Sherman on sat to see for yourself. Ross runs as hard as any back I have ever watched.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 15, 2009, 02:17:56 PM
I agree with RooBro that D3Scout should go to the game and see for himself--but based on the email address in his profile, I suspect that D3Scout already knows quite a bit about Ross Hasten.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
I do know some about the kid, but not enough on the football field...just curious what you guys thought??
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2009, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
I do know some about the kid, but not enough on the football field...just curious what you guys thought??

Welcome to the boards, D3scout.  I posted this after the game last weekend.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
Thanks for the report, roocru.

I watched the videostream last night and I saw last year's game.  I think that both teams are stronger than last year.

Coach Gage is in his fourth season at the helm.  That means he has had ample time to recruit into his system.

I can easily see AC finishing as strong as 6-3.

The McMurry radio announcers were very complimentary of the running of all of the AC backs.

Hasten is a very good back for the AC system.  The good thing about AC is that Coach Gage has implemented a sustainable program for that school, ( as we see at Millsaps, and UMHB and HSU and TU and Rhodes, etc.)  I foresee AC being a very competitive program for a long time with Coach Gage at the helm.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 03:08:21 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2009, 02:39:13 PM
Quote from: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
I do know some about the kid, but not enough on the football field...just curious what you guys thought??

Welcome to the boards, D3scout.  I posted this after the game last weekend.

Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2009, 06:52:21 PM
Thanks for the report, roocru.

I watched the videostream last night and I saw last year's game.  I think that both teams are stronger than last year.

Coach Gage is in his fourth season at the helm.  That means he has had ample time to recruit into his system.

I can easily see AC finishing as strong as 6-3.

The McMurry radio announcers were very complimentary of the running of all of the AC backs.

Hasten is a very good back for the AC system.  The good thing about AC is that Coach Gage has implemented a sustainable program for that school, ( as we see at Millsaps, and UMHB and HSU and TU and Rhodes, etc.)  I foresee AC being a very competitive program for a long time with Coach Gage at the helm.

Thanks for the reply Ralph!  I recently talked to Coach Gage he seems very excited with where the program is now.  Hes now had a few years to get some players in there that suit there offense.

And I will say that they are def getting better quality athletes in Sherman than they were before Gage was there.  Perhaps because of his north Texas HS football ties?

After watching the game with McM, looks like this might be the year they compete for a SCAC title with guys like Hasten and the Air Force transfer Braly at QB.  You're completely right, they fit that system perfect...

HUGE test against MC on Sat
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2009, 03:19:47 PM
Quote from: Chris Brooks on September 15, 2009, 01:10:28 PM
I posted this on the South Region Fan Poll board, but it is probably more apropriate here.

Not questioning whether DePauw should be ranked as high as they are because honestly I just don't know that much about them, but what is different this year that puts them in elite status in the South? I noticed they have never beaten Trinity (0-9) and are 0-3 against Millsaps since Mike Dubose took over with the average score about 40-12.

Also, Trinity seems to be down. They've eeked out two wins against ASC teams who combined to go 4-16 a year ago. If they are down I would have to think that Millsaps is the team to beat in the SCAC again considering Trinity's opening games and Millsaps' recent history against DePauw.

1.  It's a fan poll with voters from all across the region, some of whom don't follow the action in the SCAC other than from scores and reputations, 
2.  DePauw destroyed a top-ten team in the last game of their 2008 season and brought virtually everyone back.   Killing Anderson, even though Anderson isn't all that, is a sign of how good the team could be.
3.  Millsaps did lose quite a bit including their all-star QB, plus the poll voters have historically been skeptics of the program. 
4.  Trinity is struggling - but the program's history will get them some respect from the voters until they do lose.  Who knows, maybe coming from behind to win two games they could have lost will be something they build on. 

I don't put a whole lot of faith into 0-9 and 0-3 because those teams aren't playing this year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 15, 2009, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 14, 2009, 09:44:50 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 14, 2009, 09:35:29 PM
Congratulations to DePauw WR Alex Koors...SCAC Offensive Player of the Week!

http://d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=2930

And to Millsaps senior linebacker David Dale who won the defensive honors:

Dale recorded eight tackles (five solo), 4.5 sacks, two fumble recoveries and a forced fumble in the Majors' 27-10 win over Belhaven. The 4.5 sacks marked a single-game school record. Dale's 4.5 sacks against Belhaven matched his career total entering the 2009 season.

...and a defensive end who last week was named to the D3 national team of the week. Combined with the way the Majors D strangled AC in Jackson last September,  you can see why we must wait quietly for this weekends game against Millsaps. Nothing but respect for Majors!

However, since that game the Roos have gone a repectable 6-3. Would certainly like to see the upward trend to continue . {And I do believe the Kangaroos intend to win Saturday.}  :)

Some good news for those attending, it looks like it will be dry and not too hot for the 1pm start.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
I do know some about the kid, but not enough on the football field...just curious what you guys thought??

Here are the career totals for Ross Hasten #5, HB from Austin College, going into Saturday's game against Millsaps...

2,221 yds rushing
18 rush tds, 2 rec tds
6.0 yards per carry for career

3,034 all purpose yds
1411 all purpose yds in '08 alone (led SCAC)
19.5 KR avg. in '08 

Two time all SCAC
Gene "Duke" Babb Award for most outstanding football player @ AC
Starting his 33rd consecutive game Sat against MC

He leads the SCAC with 122.0 ypg and 4tds after two games in '09.  He only needs 990 yds to become AC's all time leader in rush yds.

Thats about all I can dig up on him.  Hope that helps!  Watched him last week here in Abilene...the run you are referring to was the real deal.  Hes def their go-to guy.  Man, I should be an SID!

refs
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wi2
http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?764
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 08:42:39 PM
Quote from: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
I do know some about the kid, but not enough on the football field...just curious what you guys thought??

Here are the career totals for Ross Hasten #5, HB from Austin College, going into Saturday's game against Millsaps...

2,221 yds rushing
18 rush tds, 2 rec tds
6.0 yards per carry for career

3,034 all purpose yds
1411 all purpose yds in '08 alone (led SCAC)
19.5 KR avg. in '08 

Two time all SCAC
Gene "Duke" Babb Award for most outstanding football player @ AC
Starting his 33rd consecutive game Sat against MC

He leads the SCAC with 122.0 ypg and 4tds after two games in '09.  He only needs 990 yds to become AC's all time leader in rush yds.

Thats about all I can dig up on him.  Hope that helps!  Watched him last week here in Abilene...the run you are referring to was the real deal.  Hes def their go-to guy.  Man, I should be an SID!

refs
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wi2
http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?764


Ross Hasten 5'7" 195 lbs.
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi80.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj161%2Flemasterd%2Fn35702278_30667213_8381.jpg&hash=031805ee26dd83f5385f0598a2f2b7f88eddd504)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 15, 2009, 09:11:35 PM
Howdy and welcome McM fan. That's a heck-of-a first post. Welcome!

Wondering if you saw the whole game vs AC? ...And if you saw the McM/Trinity game? ...And if you could/would compare/contrast the two SCAC teams from what you saw in back-to-back early-in-the-season weekends?

How do you think McMurry will fare against the rest of their schedule?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 15, 2009, 10:31:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2009, 03:19:47 PM
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4.  Trinity is struggling - but the program's history will get them some respect from the voters until they do lose.  Who knows, maybe coming from behind to win two games they could have lost will be something they build on. 

I don't put a whole lot of faith into 0-9 and 0-3 because those teams aren't playing this year. 

I hope you're right Ron.  Having to play your starters all 4 Q's will help them get better more quickly.  Our O-line is young and needs to gel some more.  By Saturday, I pray. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 15, 2009, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
I do know some about the kid, but not enough on the football field...just curious what you guys thought??

Here are the career totals for Ross Hasten #5, HB from Austin College, going into Saturday's game against Millsaps...

2,221 yds rushing
18 rush tds, 2 rec tds
6.0 yards per carry for career

3,034 all purpose yds
1411 all purpose yds in '08 alone (led SCAC)
19.5 KR avg. in '08 

Two time all SCAC
Gene "Duke" Babb Award for most outstanding football player @ AC
Starting his 33rd consecutive game Sat against MC

He leads the SCAC with 122.0 ypg and 4tds after two games in '09.  He only needs 990 yds to become AC's all time leader in rush yds.

Thats about all I can dig up on him.  Hope that helps!  Watched him last week here in Abilene...the run you are referring to was the real deal.  Hes def their go-to guy.  Man, I should be an SID!

refs
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wi2
http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?764


He might want to bring his "A" game Saturday vs. the Majors.

In three career games vs. Millsaps, Hasten has 21 carries for 49 yards (2.3 avg) and 0 TDs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
This AC team is different from the previous teams.  Coach Cage's system (in its 4th season) is now at full fruition.

I think that AC will see its strongest effort this Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 11:32:44 PM
Quote from: rooski on September 15, 2009, 09:11:35 PM
Howdy and welcome McM fan. That's a heck-of-a first post. Welcome!

Wondering if you saw the whole game vs AC? ...And if you saw the McM/Trinity game? ...And if you could/would compare/contrast the two SCAC teams from what you saw in back-to-back early-in-the-season weekends?

How do you think McMurry will fare against the rest of their schedule?

Yes, I did see both games, and thanks for the kudos.  Here is the assessment of both Trinity and Austin College, from their respective games with McM...

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Trinity:

has some unanswered questions at QB.  Sr Jeremy Staska made his first start for the Tigers against McM going 6 of 14 with 1 td and 1 int.   He gave way to Robert Davidson in the second half who went 4 of 10 with 1 td.  Although both controlled the offense, neither seemed to stand out as a clear offensive leader (neither had considerable experience in '08)...Returning starter and YouTube sensation Riley Curry was limited to 5 catches and 1 td.  However DB Evan Reville was very impressive racking up 10 tkls and 2 ints.

Trinity only led 10-7 at half and escaped with a 31-26 victory despite a costly mistake in the final minute.  QB Robert Davidson fumbled on McM's 36 which was recovered by McM LB Andrew Wallace who began to take it the other way for the game winning score only to fumble later at midfield which was recovered by Trinity RB Al Furlow.

Trinity squeaked by despite allowing 479 yds and 3 tds by McM's Mullin.  With the unstable play at QB and questionable defense for Trinity, it is reasonable to see Trinity struggle in league play and the SCAC title is once again up for grabs.

Austin College:

controlled the game clock holding onto the ball for 38:57 compared to McM's 21:03.  RB Ross Hasten and QB Andy Braly each hit the century mark going for 156 yds and 137 yds, respectively.  Hasten had 2 tds on the ground and Braly threw for 1 td on 10 of 18 passing...Defensively AC held Mullin to 360 yds and got 2 ints from DB Evan Coachmen and 8 tkls from DB Matt Finke...

In a game that saw 5 lead changes in the 4th qtr, Coach Gage's offense proved to be its best defense...McM had the ball just 1:17 in the 3rd qtr.  Austin College is a polished run team now under Coach Gage and McM couldn't stop the run all night giving up 409 yds on the ground and 528 total yds.  The play of Sr. HB Ross Hasten and QB Andy Braly was the difference in the 30-27 win for Austin College.

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In the two games vs. McM, both Trinity and Austin College looked impressive.  Trinity's bench is deep, but there are many questions at QB and in the secondary.  Austin College has a firing ground game and a staunch defense which is why they would be my pick as a dark horse to upset Millsaps and Trinity and win the SCAC.

refs
http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/football/2009/9/12/091209fb.asp
http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1990&ItemID=6984
http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/game_summaries/FB01.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2009, 11:46:49 PM
Quote from: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 11:32:44 PM
Quote from: rooski on September 15, 2009, 09:11:35 PM
Howdy and welcome McM fan. That's a heck-of-a first post. Welcome!

Wondering if you saw the whole game vs AC? ...And if you saw the McM/Trinity game? ...And if you could/would compare/contrast the two SCAC teams from what you saw in back-to-back early-in-the-season weekends?

How do you think McMurry will fare against the rest of their schedule?

Yes, I did see both games, and thanks for the kudos.  Here is the assessment of both Trinity and Austin College, from their respective games with McM...

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Trinity:

has some unanswered questions at QB.  Sr Jeremy Staska made his first start for the Tigers against McM going 6 of 14 with 1 td and 1 int.   He gave way to Robert Davidson in the second half who went 4 of 10 with 1 td.  Although both controlled the offense, neither seemed to stand out as a clear offensive leader (neither had considerable experience in '08)...Returning starter and YouTube sensation Riley Curry was limited to 5 catches and 1 td.  However DB Evan Reville was very impressive racking up 10 tkls and 2 ints.

Trinity only led 10-7 at half and escaped with a 31-26 victory despite a costly mistake in the final minute.  QB Robert Davidson fumbled on McM's 36 which was recovered by McM LB Andrew Wallace who began to take it the other way for the game winning score only to fumble later at midfield which was recovered by Trinity RB Al Furlow.

Trinity squeaked by despite allowing 479 yds and 3 tds by McM's Mullin.  With the unstable play at QB and questionable defense for Trinity, it is reasonable to see Trinity struggle in league play and the SCAC title is once again up for grabs.

Austin College:

controlled the game clock holding onto the ball for 38:57 compared to McM's 21:03.  RB Ross Hasten and QB Andy Braly each hit the century mark going for 156 yds and 137 yds, respectively.  Hasten had 2 tds on the ground and Braly threw for 1 td on 10 of 18 passing...Defensively AC held Mullin to 360 yds and got 2 ints from DB Evan Coachmen and 8 tkls from DB Matt Finke...

In a game that saw 5 lead changes in the 4th qtr, Coach Gage's offense proved to be its best defense...McM had the ball just 1:17 in the 3rd qtr.  Austin College is a polished run team now under Coach Gage and McM couldn't stop the run all night giving up 409 yds on the ground and 528 total yds.  The play of Sr. HB Ross Hasten and QB Andy Braly was the difference in the 30-27 win for Austin College.

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In the two games vs. McM, both Trinity and Austin College looked impressive.  Trinity's bench is deep, but there are many questions at QB and in the secondary.  Austin College has a firing ground game and a staunch defense which is why they would be my pick as a dark horse to upset Millsaps and Trinity and win the SCAC.

refs
http://athletics.mcm.edu/News/football/2009/9/12/091209fb.asp
http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=1990&ItemID=6984
http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/game_summaries/FB01.htm
Great post McM fan!   :)

+1!  for the documentation and the references cited to bolster your position.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 11:51:12 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 15, 2009, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
I do know some about the kid, but not enough on the football field...just curious what you guys thought??

Here are the career totals for Ross Hasten #5, HB from Austin College, going into Saturday's game against Millsaps...

2,221 yds rushing
18 rush tds, 2 rec tds
6.0 yards per carry for career

3,034 all purpose yds
1411 all purpose yds in '08 alone (led SCAC)
19.5 KR avg. in '08 

Two time all SCAC
Gene "Duke" Babb Award for most outstanding football player @ AC
Starting his 33rd consecutive game Sat against MC

He leads the SCAC with 122.0 ypg and 4tds after two games in '09.  He only needs 990 yds to become AC's all time leader in rush yds.

Thats about all I can dig up on him.  Hope that helps!  Watched him last week here in Abilene...the run you are referring to was the real deal.  Hes def their go-to guy.  Man, I should be an SID!

refs
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wi2
http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?764


He might want to bring his "A" game Saturday vs. the Majors.

In three career games vs. Millsaps, Hasten has 21 carries for 49 yards (2.3 avg) and 0 TDs.

Very true, MC returns good experience at LB at DL...But as Ralph said, the AC offense is coming into fruition and should have just as good a chance on Sat as ever.  

Should be a great battle between AC backfield and MC linebackers.  Good luck to both teams!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 16, 2009, 12:59:25 AM
Quote from: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 11:51:12 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 15, 2009, 11:02:36 PM
Quote from: McM Fan on September 15, 2009, 08:23:34 PM
Quote from: d3scout on September 15, 2009, 02:23:39 PM
I do know some about the kid, but not enough on the football field...just curious what you guys thought??

Here are the career totals for Ross Hasten #5, HB from Austin College, going into Saturday's game against Millsaps...

2,221 yds rushing
18 rush tds, 2 rec tds
6.0 yards per carry for career

3,034 all purpose yds
1411 all purpose yds in '08 alone (led SCAC)
19.5 KR avg. in '08 

Two time all SCAC
Gene "Duke" Babb Award for most outstanding football player @ AC
Starting his 33rd consecutive game Sat against MC

He leads the SCAC with 122.0 ypg and 4tds after two games in '09.  He only needs 990 yds to become AC's all time leader in rush yds.

Thats about all I can dig up on him.  Hope that helps!  Watched him last week here in Abilene...the run you are referring to was the real deal.  Hes def their go-to guy.  Man, I should be an SID!

refs
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/stats/confldrs.htm#conf.wi2
http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?764


He might want to bring his "A" game Saturday vs. the Majors.

In three career games vs. Millsaps, Hasten has 21 carries for 49 yards (2.3 avg) and 0 TDs.

Very true, MC returns good experience at LB at DL...But as Ralph said, the AC offense is coming into fruition and should have just as good a chance on Sat as ever.  

Should be a great battle between AC backfield and MC linebackers.  Good luck to both teams!

Great posts, McM Fan!  Welcome and +k from me as well.  :)  I will be at the game this week and hope it does turn out to be a closer game than the past couple of years and will be rooting for another Roo victory!! ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 16, 2009, 09:56:34 AM
Does anyone here remember the 2007 game between Trinity and Millsaps?  The one that ended with the college football play of the year?

Yeah, I thought you all remembered that.  Now do you remember that this only gave Trinity a share of the SCAC title?  Trinity had gone to Memphis earlier in the year for a "tune-up" game against Rhodes, a good warmup for their real challenge which was DePauw the following week.  Rhodes ended up with a 27-13 victory, the only regular season loss suffered by Trinity that year.  It's hard to explain since Rhodes lost to Millsaps, DePauw, and Centre by a combined score of 90-0 in 2007--how was it that they were able to beat Trinity by 2 touchdowns?

With Trinity coming to Jackson September 26 and Millsaps going to DePauw October 3, I hope the Millsaps players remember the Trinity at Rhodes game in 2007.  It was a classic trap game and it caught Trinity.  This week's game is a classic trap game for Millsaps and it appears that Austin College is good enough to pull off the home victory.  They seem to be much improved, you have to believe they'll play this game like a SCAC Championship in on the line.  I certainly could see them beating Millsaps if the Majors treat this as a tune-up for Trinity. 

As for Millsaps, it's hard to tell where they are as a team after the first two games.  MS College and Belhaven are both teams with a lot of size and speed, teams that would give anyone in the SCAC some matchup problems.  Millsaps only scored 3 points against MS College in the first half and then scored 31 in the second half and 10 more in OT.  Millsaps scored 27 against Belhaven in a systematic vanilla offense.  I don't know if Millsaps has the explosive capability shown for 30 minutes plus OT in the opener, or if they are going to be a grind it out team like we've seen for the other 90 minutes.  Maybe this Saturday will tell us more.

On a different note, David Dale made the most recent D3 Team of the Week, the same honor won by teammate Mason Burrell last week.  I looked at the stats for last year.  Burrell and Dale each played in 10 games with Burrell recording 20 tackles and Dale getting in on 27.  Not the kind of springboard one would expect for the start they've had this season, but it's typical of the depth Millsaps has on defense year after year.  It's going to be a very interesting matchup to see how this defensive unit does against the ground game of Austin College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2009, 10:53:07 AM
AC is featured in Jason Bowen's Around the South (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/AC%27s+running+game+beginning+to+jell) column this week.  Good read for those unfamiliar with what Coach Gage has been doing in Sherman the last few years (and those who are, too!).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 16, 2009, 12:56:40 PM
Another well-deserved honor for DePauw WR Alex Koors...D3.com Team of the Week!

http://depauw.edu/ath/news.asp?id=24034
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 16, 2009, 01:27:41 PM
Frank,

I was actually going to bring up the Trinity/Rhodes game this afternoon.  There's a lot going on here.  That's one of the only places in this conference that Trinity actually loses.  They aren't playing well right now.  Rhodes hasn't played anybody of any particular merit, and it's still really early, but through two games that offense is doing things they haven't done since Dan Swanstrom was in town.

I'm really looking forward to that one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 16, 2009, 01:45:55 PM
Nobody involved in Trinity's football program, players, coaches or fans, has such a short memory that they've forgotten their 2007 trip to Rhodes as mentioned by frank and Wes.  Same goes for last year's fateful trip to Centre when defensive mental breakdowns just before halftime cost them a playoff bid.  It was ugly to watch.

Honestly, TU's first game at McMurry this year had similar properties ... yet, the men from San Antonio seemed to get the stops and score when it really counted, despite a young O-line and inexperience elsewhere.   Likewise, TLU is not the bottom-dweller we saw in last year's 24-0 beatdown in San Antonio.  Both teams are much improved and may beat some ASC opponents in 2009.

No doubt that Trinity will have to continue to improve and PDQ in order to win either of their next two games on the "Road Warrior Tour".  IMHO it's no accident that Trinity has one of the most consistent records of success in the past decade of SCAC play.  These guys know how to win and have proved it regularly, though not as dominantly as in the past.

Looking forward to see what Saturday brings in Memphis, then the next week in Jackson.  This will go a long way to show the true measure of the 2009 TU Tigers, for better or worse.

I agree with this week's "Around the South" edition about the SCAC showing remarkable parity in the first two games ... obviously somebody's gonna break out soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacsports on September 16, 2009, 02:00:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2009, 10:53:07 AM
AC is featured in Jason Bowen's Around the South (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/AC%27s+running+game+beginning+to+jell) column this week.  Good read for those unfamiliar with what Coach Gage has been doing in Sherman the last few years (and those who are, too!).

Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2009, 10:53:07 AM
AC is featured in Jason Bowen's Around the South (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/AC%27s+running+game+beginning+to+jell) column this week.  Good read for those unfamiliar with what Coach Gage has been doing in Sherman the last few years (and those who are, too!).

Howdy Gents!  Very exciting time for the SCAC as more teams begin to compete with favorites MC and TU.  As we head into conference play, I see a shake-up ahead with teams like Centre and Austin College getting into the mix. 

After reading Bowen's piece on Coach Gage and the AC run game in Around the South (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/AC%27s+running+game+beginning+to+jell), and after hearing McM Fan's evaluation of Ross Hasten, it is likely AC has the top run game in the conf.  It will be interesting to see if that turns into W's for Coach Gage and the Roos.

So with that in mind as we head into league action, I will begin my first post with an eval of the top RB's in the SCAC.  Enjoy!

-----------------------------Top 5 Running Backs in the SCAC------------------------



1.  Ross Hasten - Austin College - 5'8" 195 lbs. SR - Lewisville, Texas

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The senior leads all current SCAC running backs in career yards with 2,221 yds...the two time all SCAC performer has 3,034 all purpose yards in his career and led the SCAC in '08 with 1,411 all purpose yards...20 career tds and 6.0 avg yards per carry for his career

Starting his 33rd consecutive game on Saturday against MC...currently leads conf with 122.0 ypg and 4 tds...needs 990 yds to become AC's all time leading rusher...graduated in May '09 with a 3.45 gpa...currently in grad school

2.  Chris Baer - Trinity - 6'0" 205 lbs. SR - Shiner, Texas

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The senior from Shiner has 1,446 career rushing yds coming into '09...an all SCAC performer in '08, Baer had 840 yds on the ground to go with 8 rush tds...also had 24 rec to go with 242 rec yds and 4 rec tds...three year starter was also an all SCAC selection in '07...also a two time All-American in the Javelin event in track and field at Trinity

3.  Walter Arrington - Birmingham-Southern - 5'7" 185 lbs. JR - Hueytown, Alabama

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The junior from Alabama tied for the 3rd all SCAC running back spot in '08...rushed for 599 yds and 7 tds in '08...also had 242 rec yds and 857 all purpose yds...in '07 was voted SCAC Freshman of the Year after 43 rec, 491 rec yds, and 3 rec tds...added 146 yds on the ground and 1 rush td in '07

4.  Shane Bowser - Millsaps - 5'10" 200 lbs. SO - Pass Christian, Mississippi

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The powerful sophomore RB was voted SCAC Newcomer of the Year in '08...posted 389 rush yds and 6 tds on just 64 touches for a 6.1 yards per carry avg...grabbed 29 rec for 314 rec yds and 5 rec tds...was second on the team in scoring for the Majors and had 733 all purpose yds...also had 12 tkl on special teams

5.  Jonathan Pinque - Centre - 5'11" 190 lbs. SO - Athens, Alabama

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The shifty sophomore out of Athens, Alabama tied for the 3rd all SCAC running back spot in '08 after rushing for 620 yds and 11 tds on 137 touches...also had 27 rec, 289 rec yds, and 1 rec td in his '08 debut...lead the team in rushing and was 2nd on the team in receiving...led the SCAC in rush tds in '08



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 16, 2009, 03:41:04 PM
scacsports---
Thanks for a very informative post...look forward to more from you. When talking about the top backs in the league, keep an eye on DePauw's Jon Ellis. Was hurt for much of last year, but gained 576 yards in just 7 games, including a 100 yard Monon Bell performance as a FRESHMAN.
Thanks again for the post...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 16, 2009, 05:59:11 PM
Very nice post, scacsports.  It'd take a LOT for Ross to break AC's career rushing record, but it'd be one heck of an accomplishment considering the man who owns that career record went on to play for the New York Giants (Aaron Kernek is the player) and was just inducted into the AC Hall of Honor this summer.  Ross is one heck of a runner, though.  The kid is built like a bowling ball (and I mean that in a good way, not in a "rotund" way) so it's no surprise he's able to pile up so many yards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 17, 2009, 12:16:03 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
This AC team is different from the previous teams.  Coach Cage's system (in its 4th season) is now at full fruition.

I think that AC will see its strongest effort this Saturday.

I hope you're right. I just can't seem to give Hasten any credit, so I hope he shuts me up this weekend in Sherman. He's rushed for 2,200 yards in his career and 18 TDs, but 1,000 of those yards and 12 TDs were against Sewanee, Colorado College, Birmingham-Southern and Centre. The Colonels are the only one in that bunch progressing as of late, and CC is no more. I want to see him drop 80-100 yards on a good defense, not the worst run defense teams in the league.

Agree to disagree.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2009, 12:21:25 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 17, 2009, 12:16:03 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
This AC team is different from the previous teams.  Coach Cage's system (in its 4th season) is now at full fruition.

I think that AC will see its strongest effort this Saturday.

I hope you're right. I just can't seem to give Hasten any credit, so I hope he shuts me up this weekend in Sherman. He's rushed for 2,200 yards in his career and 18 TDs, but 1,000 of those yards and 12 TDs were against Sewanee, Colorado College, Birmingham-Southern and Centre. The Colonels are the only one in that bunch progressing as of late, and CC is no more. I want to see him drop 80-100 yards on a good defense, not the worst run defense teams in the league.

Agree to disagree.
Please watch how all of the AC running backs spin with the first solid hit to get an extra 2-3 yards.  They have been coached very well on that manuever.

Hasten is so compact that there are no "handles" on him when you tackle him.

As for yardage against weaker conference foes, Millsaps played them, too.  Not disparaging Millsaps.

I think that Coach Gage's 4th year has made a difference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 17, 2009, 12:37:23 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2009, 12:21:25 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 17, 2009, 12:16:03 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2009, 11:07:27 PM
This AC team is different from the previous teams.  Coach Cage's system (in its 4th season) is now at full fruition.

I think that AC will see its strongest effort this Saturday.

I hope you're right. I just can't seem to give Hasten any credit, so I hope he shuts me up this weekend in Sherman. He's rushed for 2,200 yards in his career and 18 TDs, but 1,000 of those yards and 12 TDs were against Sewanee, Colorado College, Birmingham-Southern and Centre. The Colonels are the only one in that bunch progressing as of late, and CC is no more. I want to see him drop 80-100 yards on a good defense, not the worst run defense teams in the league.

Agree to disagree.
Please watch how all of the AC running backs spin with the first solid hit to get an extra 2-3 yards.  They have been coached very well on that manuever.

Hasten is so compact that there are no "handles" on him when you tackle him.

As for yardage against weaker conference foes, Millsaps played them, too.  Not disparaging Millsaps.

I think that Coach Gage's 4th year has made a difference.

I will have to watch that closely, thanks. Man, all the talk for the 'Roos has me thinking they're ready to bust out. A win Saturday could shake it up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2009, 12:40:53 AM
I actually think that the "sober" AC talk has kept the Millsaps faithful concentrated that the real season has begun.

Travel safely, all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 17, 2009, 02:07:42 AM
Love to see the Roo' s getting some time on the front page! So how much has the AC offence "jelled"? Lets go to the numbers.

Over the first 5 games last year where they went 2-3, the Roo's averaged 283.4 ypg.
The next 5 they finished 3-2, and averaged 366.4 ypg.

So far over 2 games the AC offence is averaging a blistering 467.5 ypg!

Is it Saturday yet?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 17, 2009, 03:43:13 AM
Ralph, I agree with you that all the love being given to Austin College and to Ross Hasten is not making their task any easier this Saturday.  And maybe that's exactly the way the Roo's and Coach Gage want it, making sure that they get the best from Millsaps this Saturday as a means of measuring where they are as a program.

Is this praise for the Roo's too much, too soon?  I don't think so when you consider that Austin College is 6-2 over their last 8 games.  Look back at the 2008 season and you can see why they are getting noticed:

Sep 06, 2008  at  Southwest Assemblies   L   14-16  
Sep 13, 2008    MCMURRY UNIVERSITY   WO  21-14  
*  Sep 20, 2008  at  #22 Millsaps   L   7-41  
*  Sep 27, 2008    CENTRE COLLEGE   L   17-22  
*  Oct 04, 2008  at  Colorado College   W  36-17  
*  Oct 11, 2008    SEWANEE   W  33-22  
Oct 18, 2008  at  Birmingham-Southern   W  48-29  
*  Oct 25, 2008    RHODES COLLEGE   W  17-14  
*  Nov 01, 2008    DEPAUW UNIVERSITY   L   28-31  
*  Nov 15, 2008  at  Trinity (Tex.)   L   14-38  

They split two close games at the beginning of the season and then lost to Millsaps big like a lot of teams lost to Millsaps big last season.  After that, you have to be impressed, even by the three losses.  Look at the Centre College and DePauw games, a 5-point loss and a 3-point loss.  Those teams both finished 5-2 and tied for second in the SCAC last year.  Austin College with one more TD in each of those games would have been a 5-2 team, tied with Trinity for the second place spot.  

Actually, if Austin College had won against Centre and DePauw, they would have gone to Trinity with a 5-1 record and a shot at sole possession of 2nd place in the SCAC.  We know that Trinity, with still a glimmer of hope at getting an NCAA bid, won that game 38-14 against an Austin team that was basically locked into 5th place in the SCAC.  Maybe that game, which was 24-14 at one point in the 3rd quarter, would have been closer if Austin came in at 5-1.

Of course the standings are based on wins and losses, not ifs and maybes.  BUT, Austin College playing at home wasn't much behind Centre and DePauw playing on the road last season.  Austin is playing at home this weekend and Millsaps is taking their first real road trip of the season with some question marks on both sides of the ball:  

---Is the offense capable of the sustained explosions of last year?  
---Is it a reason for concerned that the defense has given up 57 points in two games, a number that wasn't surpassed last year until mid-way through the 6th game?
---Do you worry that Millsaps beat MC 42-6 last year, much like the 41-7 win over Austin, and now MC has a victory over Millsaps this season?

All this being said, I guess most people still consider Millsaps the favorite this week and they should be.  I'm just pointing out the history of the last 12 months to say that an Austin victory would be no more improbable than say, Austin's baseball team winning the SCAC Tournament in 2007 and keeping the Millsaps team out of the NCAA Tournament.  That Millsaps team was every bit as good as the 2006 team that came within one out of the D3 World Series, but they stayed home that year while a 22-23 Austin College baseball team headed out to California for NCAA Tournament play.  

It's something for the 2009 Millsaps football team to keep in mind as they travel to Austin this week.  Millsaps giving less than their best this weekend, especially a Millsaps team with Tigers on their mind instead of Roo's, is a team that could easily be returning to Jackson with a 1-2 record Saturday evening.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 17, 2009, 07:49:27 AM
Is AC running the wishbone?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2009, 10:19:43 AM
QuoteActually, if Austin College had won against Centre and DePauw, they would have gone to Trinity with a 5-1 record and a shot at sole possession of 2nd place in the SCAC.

Yeah. And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 17, 2009, 10:46:20 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2009, 10:19:43 AM
QuoteActually, if Austin College had won against Centre and DePauw, they would have gone to Trinity with a 5-1 record and a shot at sole possession of 2nd place in the SCAC.

Yeah. And if my aunt had balls, she'd be my uncle.  ;)

If your aunt had balls, wouldn't that make her and your uncle a gay couple?  (Not that there's anything wrong with that according to the Jerry Seinfeld episode some of you might remember.)

I think you get my point  that  Austin College wasn't too far behind both DePauw and Centre on the scoreboard last year when Austin was playing at home.  That adds some weight to this talk about Austin being a strong candidate for at least playing a spoiler role in this year's race, and possibly being in the mix for the SCAC title at the end of the season. 

Let's face it, weren't you DePauw fans sweating out the outcome of the game last year in the final minute with Austin closing the gap to 31-28 and getting ready to attempt an on-side kick?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2009, 11:55:54 AM
QuoteIf your aunt had balls, wouldn't that make her and your uncle a gay couple?  (Not that there's anything wrong with that according to the Jerry Seinfeld episode some of you might remember.)

I think you get my point  that  Austin College wasn't too far behind both DePauw and Centre on the scoreboard last year when Austin was playing at home.  That adds some weight to this talk about Austin being a strong candidate for at least playing a spoiler role in this year's race, and possibly being in the mix for the SCAC title at the end of the season. 

Let's face it, weren't you DePauw fans sweating out the outcome of the game last year in the final minute with Austin closing the gap to 31-28 and getting ready to attempt an on-side kick? 

Just having a little fun...Actually, I was touting AC before it became fashionable on this site. I was impressed by the Roos last year on our trip to Sherman and I would be surprised if they don't play some sort of role in determining the league champion this year.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 17, 2009, 12:13:13 PM
Frank,

With all due respect to you and AC, the only win of note in that list above was Rhodes.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.


I can't remember where I read this recently, but some coach was saying that "let other team get their moral victories, I'll take the W."  (to paraphrase)

Should be a whale of a game at the end of the year.  I can't wait to make the drive to Sherman! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2009, 02:15:39 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 17, 2009, 12:13:13 PM
Frank,

With all due respect to you and AC, the only win of note in that list above was Rhodes.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.


I can't remember where I read this recently, but some coach was saying that "let other team get their moral victories, I'll take the W."  (to paraphrase)

Should be a whale of a game at the end of the year.  I can't wait to make the drive to Sherman! 
Hal Mumme said something to that effect from his end of the Trinity MCM scoreboard.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2009, 03:13:58 PM
Kudos to the SCAC for the launch of its weekly sports recap...SCAC 360. Combined with the Internet-based SCAC Media Days launched this season and what I think is a pretty robust website, the league is really doing a nice job of using technology to get its messages out and, importantly, promoting its members and student-athletes...ONE SUGGESTION...stop referring to the SCAC as the "SKAK"...doesn't sound very good...too much like SKANK!  ;D 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 17, 2009, 03:19:11 PM
So since it isn't horseshoes or hand grenades, are we saying that an 0-2 McMurry football team in 2009 is no better than the 0-10 version in 2008?  And therefore, can we conclude that the hiring of Hal Mumme has done nothing to improve the McMurry program despite the closeness of the losses?

I'm just trying to get this straight in my mind, and I ask the question with all due respect to Coach Mumme and the McMurry football team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2009, 04:07:36 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 17, 2009, 03:19:11 PM
So since it isn't horseshoes or hand grenades, are we saying that an 0-2 McMurry football team in 2009 is no better than the 0-10 version in 2008?  And therefore, can we conclude that the hiring of Hal Mumme has done nothing to improve the McMurry program despite the closeness of the losses?

I'm just trying to get this straight in my mind, and I ask the question with all due respect to Coach Mumme and the McMurry football team.

It's hard to say, Frank, given where we are in the season.   McM certainly had some success against Trinity but had a hard time stopping AC.  There's not enough data about either AC (which after one D3 game seems improved) or Trinity (which after two games seems down offensively) to make a definitive statement as to whether this year's McM is better than last year's McM.  I think McM is better on the offensive side of the ball, defensively I would question it.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2009, 04:42:34 PM
Let's look last year's AC team.

They lost a road opener to SAGU 16-14 and then only put up 294 yds total offense on 63 plays against McMurry.  McMurry had a last minute FG go wide right in the rain of Hurricane/Tropical Storm Ike to send the 2008 game to 2OT.

http://athletics.mcm.edu/sports/football/2008/fb0913e.htm

(AC's defense allowed 320 yds on 74 plays in 2008.)

This season, AC rang up 528 yds on 87 plays against a different defense.  The defense allowed 2 more TD's.

In context, McMurry was competitive against Trinity in the season opener in 2009; they weren't in 2008.

I think that we are seeing the effect of Braly executing the offense as it should be, and the whole team is learning how to win.  Not to disparage previous AC teams that always had players of valorous character, but that is a change for the AC of recent years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Fan on September 17, 2009, 04:51:58 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 17, 2009, 12:13:13 PM
Frank,

With all due respect to you and AC, the only win of note in that list above was Rhodes.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.


I can't remember where I read this recently, but some coach was saying that "let other team get their moral victories, I'll take the W."  (to paraphrase)

Should be a whale of a game at the end of the year.  I can't wait to make the drive to Sherman! 

I don't believe anyone here thinks AC is a top 5 team nationally...however, it is not absurd to see them as a dark horse in the SCAC.  

Taking into consideration the small margin of their losses from last season and an offensive scheme that is hitting its stride with experienced athletes like Hasten and Braly, it is possible to see them pull off some upsets this year...possibly this Sat against MC.

If you want a good preview of the AC offense, watch Georgia Tech tonight...similar schemes...and AC finally has a QB to run that offense.  Braly ran the exact same offense at Air Force before transferring to AC, so they have the experience...not to mention the best running back in the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SCACfan81 on September 17, 2009, 06:17:13 PM
"Catching Kernek"  as of 9-17-09

Ross Hasten chasing former Austin College All-American and NY Giants RB Aaron Kernek for the all time rushing record at AC.

Aaron Kernek
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi80.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj161%2Flemasterd%2Fkernek.jpg&hash=99289c1fa32f6e260bfe9ece442ec828fe162e42)

1997:   30 att,   110 yds,   1 td,   15.7 yds/G
1998: 152 att,   805 yds,   8 td,   80.5 yds/G
1999: 174 att,   781 yds,   6 td,   97.6 yds/G
2000: 276 att, 1548 yds,  15 td, 154.8 yds/G

Totals:  632 att, 3244 yds, 30 td, 87.15 yds/G

Ross Hasten
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi80.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj161%2Flemasterd%2Fac_rhodes_03.jpg&hash=b6a8062ac1e445cfd9296a0df869a6398e526c93)

2006:   80 att,  479 yds,  1 td,   47.9 yds/G
2007: 118 att,  672 yds,  7 td,   67.2 yds/G
2008: 131 att,  826 yds,  6 td,   82.6 yds/G
2009:   43 att,  244 yds,  4 td, 122.0 yds/G

Totals:  372 att, 2221 yds, 18 td, 79.9 yds/G

************************************

Kernek:  632 att, 3244 yds, 30 td, 87.15 yds/G
Hasten:  372 att, 2221 yds, 18 td, 79.90 yds/G

Hasten needs 1023 yds to catch Kernek's mark for yardage.
Hasten needs 127.8 yds/G to catch Kernek within the regular season.

stats
http://www.ascsports.org/sports/2009/9/14/sidebar_508.aspx?path=football
http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?5553




Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 17, 2009, 06:18:43 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 17, 2009, 03:19:11 PM
So since it isn't horseshoes or hand grenades, are we saying that an 0-2 McMurry football team in 2009 is no better than the 0-10 version in 2008?  And therefore, can we conclude that the hiring of Hal Mumme has done nothing to improve the McMurry program despite the closeness of the losses?

I'm just trying to get this straight in my mind, and I ask the question with all due respect to Coach Mumme and the McMurry football team.

Frank, I agree with your point.  Austin College and McMurry are both better and getting better.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 17, 2009, 07:29:44 PM
Here's a link to the Millsaps preview of the game this Saturday, and the preview includes a link to the Millsaps webcast which will probably start a few minutes before the 1:00 kick off:

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/9/17/FB_0917091156.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 17, 2009, 07:49:01 PM
 :) Such marsupial passion! I hope it continues beyond this weekend!!

Cool thing is, most everything everyone has said - is true.

...The Roos haven't... ...the Roos have... ... and the Roos could.  ;)

May God bless the young men of the SCAC and keep them all safe this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2009, 08:15:13 PM

Game notes for Centre vs. DePauw this weekend in Greencastle. Kick time 1 p.m. EST.

http://depauw.edu/ath/football/2009/notes/centre.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 17, 2009, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2009, 08:15:13 PM

Game notes for Centre vs. DePauw this weekend in Greencastle. Kick time 1 p.m. EST.

http://depauw.edu/ath/football/2009/notes/centre.pdf

Looking at the game stats for DPU against Centre last year, Koors had 220 yds receiving.  Seeing how he just had over 200 yds receiving against Anderson, think he and Spud are licking their chops right about now?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2009, 08:43:04 PM
QuoteLooking at the game stats for DPU against Centre last year, Koors had 220 yds receiving.  Seeing how he just had over 200 yds receiving against Anderson, think he and Spud are licking their chops right about now?

May open up opportunities for Mulligan, Dahlstrom and Brannigan... ;) Mulligan was hurt and didn't make the trip to Danville last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 17, 2009, 08:49:25 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on September 17, 2009, 08:22:38 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 17, 2009, 08:15:13 PM

Game notes for Centre vs. DePauw this weekend in Greencastle. Kick time 1 p.m. EST.

http://depauw.edu/ath/football/2009/notes/centre.pdf

Looking at the game stats for DPU against Centre last year, Koors had 220 yds receiving.  Seeing how he just had over 200 yds receiving against Anderson, think he and Spud are licking their chops right about now?

While the Millsaps game is the biggest game this weekend from an AC point of view, the game in Greencastle will probably be even bigger. Two really good teams who expect to win the title. Someone will get a jump on the pack by winning this one. I really wish there was someone from Centre among our posters.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 17, 2009, 10:14:35 PM
Quote from: McM Fan on September 17, 2009, 04:51:58 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 17, 2009, 12:13:13 PM
Frank,

With all due respect to you and AC, the only win of note in that list above was Rhodes.

Close only counts in horseshoes and hand grenades.


I can't remember where I read this recently, but some coach was saying that "let other team get their moral victories, I'll take the W."  (to paraphrase)

Should be a whale of a game at the end of the year.  I can't wait to make the drive to Sherman! 

I don't believe anyone here thinks AC is a top 5 team nationally...however, it is not absurd to see them as a dark horse in the SCAC.  

Taking into consideration the small margin of their losses from last season and an offensive scheme that is hitting its stride with experienced athletes like Hasten and Braly, it is possible to see them pull off some upsets this year...possibly this Sat against MC.

If you want a good preview of the AC offense, watch Georgia Tech tonight...similar schemes...and AC finally has a QB to run that offense.  Braly ran the exact same offense at Air Force before transferring to AC, so they have the experience...not to mention the best running back in the SCAC.

If Austin College's offense is like Georgia Tech, then I like Millsaps to win 41-7. The Majors' defense is too quick.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 17, 2009, 10:22:25 PM
In a bit of old news before we get to the weekend with 3 very interesting SCAC matchups, I finally have the photos from the Belhaven vs. Millsaps game posted so the Millsaps fans here might want to take a peak at this link:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MillsapsCollege2009-10/FB2009/BC091209/9668952_rav6M#652761050_d7TMc

I believe it's Major Mom who will appreciate the first 4 photos.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on September 18, 2009, 08:34:57 AM
 ;D

Thanks Frank, I actually just looked at the pics before coming here.  I now have the first one as my background on my computer now.

I look forward to the game online this weekend as we are not able to travel to Sherman. 

GO MAJORS

By the way the name is Millsaps Mom.............
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yellowtengo on September 18, 2009, 11:46:28 AM
Mr. Frank, I just wanted to let you know that you are doing a great job and I hope that the Millsaps people appreciate what you do. It sure would be nice if every team had someone to take pictures that the public can view and use. All the moms and dads appreciate what you do.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 18, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
Lot's of talk and just tons of great information on the Millsaps v. Austin game posted on this board this week; though I haven't been posting long, I've been reading for now my third year and really appreciate the depth of knowledge some of you guys/gals have!!

The Millsaps game preview left off a few stats that might factor into the game, namely some Punting and Kicking info:

                                        MC                                         AC
Punt avg                         38.1                                      36.0
PAT                                  8/8                                         5/5
FG   %                             71.4                                      60.00
FG Long                           43                                         32


Could it come down to a strategically placed punt or a long FG to win?  Can the 'superstar' running back be contained by the MC D?  Will Batman be able to free himself and the Boy Wonder in time to save Commissioner Gordon? (sorry, couldn't resist!!)


I'm chilling the beer, popping the corn and cleaning my computer screen to get ready for the online broadcast!   Good luck to Millsaps and may both teams have a safe game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 18, 2009, 06:31:31 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on September 18, 2009, 12:01:29 PM
Lot's of talk and just tons of great information on the Millsaps v. Austin game posted on this board this week; though I haven't been posting long, I've been reading for now my third year and really appreciate the depth of knowledge some of you guys/gals have!!

The Millsaps game preview left off a few stats that might factor into the game, namely some Punting and Kicking info:

                                        MC                                         AC
Punt avg                         38.1                                      36.0
PAT                                  8/8                                         5/5
FG   %                             71.4                                      60.00
FG Long                           43                                         32


Could it come down to a strategically placed punt or a long FG to win?  Can the 'superstar' running back be contained by the MC D?  Will Batman be able to free himself and the Boy Wonder in time to save Commissioner Gordon? (sorry, couldn't resist!!)


I'm chilling the beer, popping the corn and cleaning my computer screen to get ready for the online broadcast!   Good luck to Millsaps and may both teams have a safe game!


Millsaps' Taylor Russolino made a 47-yarder against MS College, so the long is actually 47 for the Majors, not 43.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on September 18, 2009, 07:39:14 PM
Also on the punting stats, the long for Millsaps is 77 yards, which was against Bell Haven last year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 18, 2009, 08:01:18 PM
Quote from: yellowtengo on September 18, 2009, 11:46:28 AM
Mr. Frank, I just wanted to let you know that you are doing a great job and I hope that the Millsaps people appreciate what you do. It sure would be nice if every team had someone to take pictures that the public can view and use. All the moms and dads appreciate what you do.

Good job Frank. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 18, 2009, 08:40:07 PM
Quote from: yellowtengo on September 18, 2009, 11:46:28 AM
Mr. Frank, I just wanted to let you know that you are doing a great job and I hope that the Millsaps people appreciate what you do. It sure would be nice if every team had someone to take pictures that the public can view and use. All the moms and dads appreciate what you do.

Oh trust me, we love Frank's work. He's also been recognized by the College for a few awards regarding his service in athletics. It's a true blessing to have someone like him at Millsaps. There aren't enough awards that could be handed out for the amount of hours he tirelessly puts in so that students, fans and followers can view his photos. You're one of a kind, Frank!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 19, 2009, 12:15:09 AM
Okay, I do appreciate all the nice comments and compliments.  It's one of those perfect storm things where I come from a family that stresses services, one that has supported Millsaps since the 1920's, two nephews played at Millsaps in the last decade, I'm single so that cuts down on commitments and the need for extra money, and....oh yeah, apparently I have a touch of insanity.

While not wanting to diminish the revenue stream D3Sports has from photos, I do wish other SCAC schools had something in place where good photos were taken and then distributed to the students.  Not just athletes, but all students.  I've thought about branching out to other activities at Millsaps but there is no extra time to give--plus, I only have that touch of insanity, not total insanity.

Even if a school hired someone to do the job, I believe the photos would help keep a stronger tie between alums and the school.  They would serve as a reminder of the great moments, the great friends, the great adventures that are such a key part of the college years.  I always thought the main value of this photo project won't kick in until 20-30 years down the road.  I'll never know since I'll be gone by them or too senile to comprehend much.

Anyway, thanks again for the kind words and now let's get back to football.  Talk about getting the SCAC Season started with a bang, these are three very interesting games coming up tomorrow:

Centre at DePauw--a match up of two 5-2 teams with almost all of their starters back

Trinity at Rhodes--based on the first two games by both teams, this is going to be a tight one.  Trinity is Trinity so I have to consider then the favorites, but I wonder how many of you think Rhodes might have the edge in this one.

Millsaps at Austin--there's only one undefeated team here and it's not Millsaps.  I said a few weeks ago that the MS College and Belhaven games won't tell us for sure what Millsaps has this year.  Maybe tomorrow is the day Millsaps shows the full package, or at least plays like they did in the 2nd half of the MS College game.  Some of you are thinking that Millsaps better bring it all if they want to win this game.  It will be interesting to see.

MY ONLY COMPLAINT ABOUT THE WEEKEND--all the games start at 1:00.  I wish they were at 1, 4 and 7 so I could follow them all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 19, 2009, 12:17:16 AM
All:    Sorry for the typo on the Millsaps vs. AC kick/punt stats.  The 47 for long FG is what I should have put and I did not have any long punt numbers in the chart.  Since I was only referencing the SCAC stats for this season, the long punt for MC shows 49 with AC at 41 yards.


Hope everyone is fired up for the game and wishing you a good weekend and Happy Rosh Hashanah, if applicable!

Go Majors!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 19, 2009, 10:52:50 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 19, 2009, 12:15:09 AM
Okay, I do appreciate all the nice comments and compliments.  It's one of those perfect storm things where I come from a family that stresses services, one that has supported Millsaps since the 1920's, two nephews played at Millsaps in the last decade, I'm single so that cuts down on commitments and the need for extra money, and....oh yeah, apparently I have a touch of insanity.

While not wanting to diminish the revenue stream D3Sports has from photos, I do wish other SCAC schools had something in place where good photos were taken and then distributed to the students.  Not just athletes, but all students.  I've thought about branching out to other activities at Millsaps but there is no extra time to give--plus, I only have that touch of insanity, not total insanity.

Even if a school hired someone to do the job, I believe the photos would help keep a stronger tie between alums and the school.  They would serve as a reminder of the great moments, the great friends, the great adventures that are such a key part of the college years.  I always thought the main value of this photo project won't kick in until 20-30 years down the road.  I'll never know since I'll be gone by them or too senile to comprehend much.

Anyway, thanks again for the kind words and now let's get back to football.  Talk about getting the SCAC Season started with a bang, these are three very interesting games coming up tomorrow:

Centre at DePauw--a match up of two 5-2 teams with almost all of their starters back

Trinity at Rhodes--based on the first two games by both teams, this is going to be a tight one.  Trinity is Trinity so I have to consider then the favorites, but I wonder how many of you think Rhodes might have the edge in this one.

Millsaps at Austin--there's only one undefeated team here and it's not Millsaps.  I said a few weeks ago that the MS College and Belhaven games won't tell us for sure what Millsaps has this year.  Maybe tomorrow is the day Millsaps shows the full package, or at least plays like they did in the 2nd half of the MS College game.  Some of you are thinking that Millsaps better bring it all if they want to win this game.  It will be interesting to see.

MY ONLY COMPLAINT ABOUT THE WEEKEND--all the games start at 1:00.  I wish they were at 1, 4 and 7 so I could follow them all.



Frank, when my son was in HS, he made varsity and started as a sophomore.  I tried to hire the local fishwrap photog to take a few photos for me.  He refused.  So, I went out and bought a Canon 20D and a wonderful Sigma zoom (2.8 all the way out).  I managed to take about 60,000 photos for the kids and parents.  All downloadable for free.  (I had bought a crappier camera first and it couldn't do night games.  Then I had a good run in Vegas and our friend Yuccaroot suggested I let the casino buy my camera and the rest is history).

You mention being single.  Well, for three seasons in HS, I left mama up in the stands with friends while I stalked the sidelines.  Being a former coach, I loved being back on the sidelines.  When Matthew went to TU, I promised mama I'd not abandon her.

After the 60,000 + photos, my 20D has just about crapped out.  Having issues.  So much so, I got no useable photos from the McM game.  Didn't even try it was so fubar'd.  Got a 50D in time for the TLU game.  Managed to squeeze off 900+ photos from the stands.  With all the weather, mama stayed home on that one.  I'm not going to be at the game today unfortunately, but mama and I are flying to jackson next week.  I will probably lug the camera with me again and for all home games.  

It's a love and a passion.  I really wish I could get back to the sidelines, but a promise to a wife of 20+ years is much more important that hearing the impacts up close and personal.  :)  

I will continue to say my prayers that none of our sons gets hurt today.  Fierce competition, leaving it all on the field, but walking off healthy afterwards.  Good luck to all of y'all today, (well except for Rhodes).  Rhodes... I'll wish you good luck next week.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 19, 2009, 10:56:45 AM
Oh yeah, all you punter fans, you're in for a treat when TU comes to town.  Our new freshman kicker has some beautiful punt hang times.  Just a rocket foot.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 19, 2009, 11:51:57 AM
Tex--I could relate a lot to your camera story.  I started off with a Kodak that had a 10 times optical and 4 megapixals--really pretty good for January of 2004.  At the start of the 2006-07 season I realized that my expense was primarily time and that spending thousands of dollars on camera equipment was fairly insignificant in comparison.  

That's when I went to a Canon 20D and some Tokina lenses.  That was much better, but the Tokina's all got replaced by Canon and Sigma lenses--you get what you pay for in lenses.  I replaced the shutter system on the 20D somewhere in the 80,000-100,000 shot range, used it another year, and then realized that I was crazy not to upgrade to the 50D.  The 6 shots per second and usable 3200 ISO (much needed indoors at Millsaps) have been great.

One suggestion if you have another nice day in Vegas.  Get a Sigma 50-500 zoom which will be like a 80-800 on your camera.  It's about $1,000, the best money I've spent so far on this project by far.  Almost everything I shoot for Millsaps outdoors and during the day is with that one lens.  People don't look at the photos and think about how far away I am when taking the photos.  Fans in the stands on the other side--that's got to be at least 70 yards.  The kickoff from the receiving team's end zone--that's about 80 yards from me to the kicker.  You put a 50-500 on your Canon 50D and you can be with you wife and also pull the game into your viewfinder.  

Good luck to your Tigers today--nothing against Rhodes but a Trinity and Millsaps win today would certainly add interest to next week's game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 19, 2009, 12:03:07 PM
Frank, just out of curiosity, did you make the trip to Sherman for today's game to take some photos?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 19, 2009, 12:36:25 PM
It's very rare for me to go outside the Jackson area to take photos.  Cost is a factor, but once again time is the big reason and there's usually some sport being played on campus.  There are no games today or tomorrow, but I have 2 volleyball games, a JV football game, and photos of cheerleaders and the dance team that all need to be edited and posted.  Hopefully those will get done this weekend and before the next JV FB game on Monday. 

I will be listening to DP on the Millsaps webcast.  That starts in just over an hour at this link:

http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Milsaps-College
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 01:34:46 PM
Centre is surprising DPU early, up 14-0 with time running down in the first quarter.  DPU has blocked a PAT and the Colonels missed a 37 yd field goal.      Centre got on the board when Matt Mazzanti picked off Spud Dick at the Centre 25 and returned the ball for a score.  After converting a fourth-and-one near midfield, Tyler Ostermann found Nick Edwards for 37 to the one, Jonathan Pinque took it in for the second score.  Ostermann also converted an ensuing 2-point conversion (running) to push the lead to 14 points.

The Colonel defense is so far holding Spud Dick in check, he's 6-11 for only 35 yards with a long of eight.  Good return by the Tigers to near midfield but three plays lose yardage and Centre takes over again on their 30 to start the second quarter.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 19, 2009, 01:39:27 PM
Thanks for that update--the camera just came on for the Millsaps webcast.  No broadcasting yet, just getting ready to go.

UPDATE--The webcast will only be audio with the internet connection not being what they need to send out the video portion.  Just part of this transition period until we get to the point where just about everything is set up for good webcasts.

Glad to be able to listen to the Majors even if I can't watch them on a 4x6 inch screen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 01:49:23 PM
Centre has another fourth-and-one at midfield but go with the quick kick which only nets 25 yards.  Another three-and-out for DPU but Centre's Sloan fumbles the punt and the Tigers are in business at the Colonel 24.   Spud does get his long completion of the day - a 16-yarder to Mark Branigan, but again stalls and has to settle for a 24 yard field goal from Ethan Schweir.  14-3 Centre with 9:09 to play in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 02:01:49 PM
Wow!  Centre leads 21-3!  5:10 left in the half.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 02:03:42 PM
Centre drives right down the field, 73 yards in 9 plays, to extend their lead to 21-3.   Osterman finds Jordan Albright from 22 yards for the score.  

Osterman now is 13-16 for 191 yards as the Colonels have almost totally eschewed the run so far today.  

Rhodes fumbles on their first play of the game and Trinity will take over at the Lynx 40.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 02:08:38 PM
Centre picks off another pass, they'll start at the DPU 34.

AC picks off Millsaps' Graves at midfield.

Two incomplete passes inside the Lynx 20 force Trinity to settle for a 34-yard Biel field goal, 3-0 early.  Lynx return the ball to midfield.

Centre misses a short FG, but DPU is whistled for their second personal foul in the drive; the oOlonels have first and goal at the 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 02:15:24 PM
The Lynx' Stoots fumbles under heavy pressure and Trinity recovers on the Rhodes 30.

Austin gets a 39-yard run from Hasten on fourth-and-one near midfield, methodically drive it down the field and take a 7-0 lead on Millsaps.

Centre has a fourth-and-goal from the one, Pinque takes it in, 27-3 after the PAT is missed.

Millsaps gets a huge return from Shane Bowser, they have it at the 'Roo 24.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 02:17:05 PM
As Ron said, Centre missed the PAT, wide right.  27-3 over Centre.  (Centre kicker is 1-3 on PAT's.)

Less than a minute in the half.

Looks like a changing of the guard.

AC may be in good position this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 02:18:40 PM
Al Furlow scores from two yards out to put Trinity up 10-0 in Memphis.

After a face mask penalty, Depauw is at midfield.  Getting a bit chippy in Greencastle with offsetting personal fouls on the first play.   DePauw is at the Colonel 27, third and one, with 16 seconds remaining in the half.  

AC gets a goal line interception to turn back the Majors.

Centre gets their third pick to stop DPU once again.  Wow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 02:22:56 PM
Spud Dick throws an INT with less than 15 seconds left in the half deep in Centre terrrtory.

One of the announcers said that Dick locked in on the receiver.

At the half, Centre is up 27-3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 02:28:06 PM
AC scores pretty easily on the Majors, up 14-0 until Michael Galates returns the kick 92 yards.  Now 14-7, 2:29 left in first quarter.

Trinity and Rhodes have traded punts with the Tigers getting the better of the field position battle so far.   Oops, the Lynx fumble again, then Trinity fumbles and Rhodes' Ellison returns it 73 yards to make it 10-7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 19, 2009, 02:29:05 PM
Austin scores to go up 14-0 toward end of 1st quarter, but Millsaps takes kickoff back 91 yards for 7, making it 14-7 Austin.  Two turnovers for Millsaps offense today so far.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 19, 2009, 02:29:14 PM
Well, Millsaps got down big after a half to MC and then they started throwing some long balls with great success.  With the exception of that stretch of play, Millsaps has basically thrown short passes for short gains.  

Is Millsaps capable of throwing the long ball and they have tried to keep that weapon under wraps until week 4 and 5?  I don't know.  I thought Millsaps was going to have to go for that this series, but then the kickoff return for a TD puts the game close again.  

While we are having great success on kickoff returns, I hope that's our last one of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 02:29:25 PM
As an outsider on this board, the SCAC looks like it is wide open.

Right now it seems like a 5-team race...

AC, CC, DPU, Millsaps and Trinity look to be comparable.

I am not sure how BSC develops in their third year but I would expect those young players begin to jell this season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 19, 2009, 02:34:17 PM
Majors finally stop Austin, force a 3 and out and now have the ball again at the end of 1st quarter. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 02:38:21 PM
As the Millsaps-AC contest is now represented by others, I'll focus on TU/RC and CC/DPU.   :D

Trinity three-and-out, get a beautiful 61 yard punt, three and out for Rhodes but after only a 25-yard punt the Tigers set up on the Lynx 38.   Unfortunately, another fumble deep in Rhodes territory and the Lynx take over on their 4.  Three-and-out and after another short punt and return Trinity will again take over in great field position, this time at the Rhodes 29.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 19, 2009, 02:48:14 PM
Millsaps puts together a nice drive and ties it up at 14 with about 8 to go in the first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 19, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
Dubose is crying about the students in the end zone just like he did last time they rolled through Sherman.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 02:50:35 PM
DePauw holds Centre on the opening possession.

Trinity is now playing Patrick Dickinson at QB, a 6'2" sophomore who has seen no action this year.  No idea if it's an injury to Davidson or not.   Dickinson does complete two passes but can't recover from a sack.  Another short field goal makes it 13-7 Trinity with 8:32 left in the half.

Gutsy call by the AC coaching staff, going for it on fourth-and-one at their own 30 (and converting).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 19, 2009, 02:57:28 PM
Austin up again 21-14 with 4:30 left in half, could be a shootout in Sherman.

IMHO - Dubose was yelling at his own players to ignore the students, not complaining about them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 19, 2009, 03:01:31 PM
I dunno Major, he was really in a refs ear pointing down there at them.

having sat over there before I do know it gets quite salty.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 03:02:27 PM
Dickinson is doing pretty darned well so far, finds Caleb Urban who beats one man from 19 yards out.  20-7 with 3:47 left in the half.   6-8-0 82 yds in two series for the youngster from San Antonio Central Catholic.

Have not gotten updates for some time from Greencastle, Centre had just gotten into DPU territory.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 19, 2009, 03:06:10 PM
Regarding the students, webcast makes it sound like the students are only a yard or two off the field.  If true, that's a situation that makes things more dangerous for Austin DBs and Millsaps receivers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 03:12:38 PM
Twitter @DePauwAthletics Third quarter: Centre 27, DePauw 3, 3:17 left

Trinity up 27-7  as Dickinson finds Curry on a lob from ten yards out.  0:22 left in the half.  

Twitter @DePauwAthletics End of third: Centre 27, DePauw 3

The TU defense is playing very well today.  Rhodes had 28 net yards in the first half.   35 of that came on the last play of the half (a draw). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 19, 2009, 03:21:01 PM

As well he should be. They're literally standing on the end zone line. That's not right. And, they're beating on trash cans, pots and pans, etc. That's an obvious flag for artificial noisemakers. Millsaps can't even bring in kazoos for crying out loud.

This is something I've wondered about for a while.  You go to an ASC game and the home team has a 'couch crew' which does exactly this.  AC came from the ASC.  I've never seen this at another SCAC game.

BTW, live stats back up and it's now 34-3 Centre.  DPU is now driving and Michael Engle is now the QB for the Tigers.  Spud's line:  19-35-3 155 and 0 TDs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 19, 2009, 03:24:17 PM
Quote from: KentATM on September 19, 2009, 02:50:00 PM
Dubose is crying about the students in the end zone just like he did last time they rolled through Sherman.

As well he should be. They're literally standing on the end zone line. That's not right. And, they're beating on trash cans, pots and pans, etc. That's an obvious flag for artificial noisemakers. Millsaps can't even bring in kazoos for crying out loud.

Another reason it's dangerous is they're in the field of play. If there's a pass in the back of the end zone, a student is going to literally get bowled over.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 03:29:59 PM
Spud Dick had the wind knocked out him.  He walked off the field, and Centre subbed for him.

DePauw scored a TD by Ellis, 1-yd run.  PAT is good; 9:36 left in the game.  CC 34-10
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 03:33:12 PM
Starting Trinity QB Davidson is 'on crutches with a heavily wrapped left ankle'.

Johnathan Pinque fumbles and DPU takes only one play to score, Engle finding Koors for 45.   34-18 CC after the two-point conversion, 6:38 to play.

Trinity fumbles the second half kick, Rhodes starts on the TU 30.    Three plays later, Rhodes fumbles it back.  Geez.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 03:36:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 03:22:31 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 19, 2009, 03:21:01 PM

As well he should be. They're literally standing on the end zone line. That's not right. And, they're beating on trash cans, pots and pans, etc. That's an obvious flag for artificial noisemakers. Millsaps can't even bring in kazoos for crying out loud.

This is something I've wondered about for a while.  You go to an ASC game and the home team has a 'couch crew' which does exactly this.  AC came from the ASC.  I've never seen this at another SCAC game.


ASC!!!???!!!

Oh my!  There's goes the neighborhood.  You should have known it, when you let AC in.    ;)

Only one thing to do, and that is to send them back to the ASC!    :)   :D   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 19, 2009, 03:37:20 PM
Go Roos!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 03:38:05 PM
DPU recovers a fumble and the Tigers strike fast with a 45-yd TD pass Engle to Koors.  (PAT tries for 2.  Koors makes the catch.)  34-18 with 6:34 left in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 03:41:55 PM
Millsaps gets an INT in the end zone this time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 19, 2009, 03:42:20 PM
I flipped on the Millsaps broadcast and I am wondering why in the world they think hitting a QB running option is a sack?  Have they never followed football before?  I have never heard it called that way if it was a straight option running play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 03:45:45 PM
Cannot believe Trinity, down to their #3 QB, have just run three straight option keepers ... just converted a fourth down, have the ball at the Rhodes 35 after a false start penalty.

Trinity ends up with a 3rd and 30 ... Baer gets 25, Biel misses a 42-yd FG ... and three plays later Rhodes fumbles again.   TU ball on the 25.  The Tigers have yet to put the ball in the air in the second half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 03:49:02 PM
DePauw kicks deep and holds Centre and the Tigers are driving to the Centre 47 yd line 1st and 10.  4:57 left .  Engle is the DPU QB.  DPU's still trailing 34-16.

DPU 4th and 7 at the Centre 44, 4+ minutes left. First down pass to Dahlstrom at the 21.   Koors 21 TD pass from Engle.  2pt PAT attempt failed.   3:25 left.  Centre 34-24.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 03:55:55 PM
Engle to Koors again (from 20), 2pt conversion no good, 34-24 CC with 3:25 to play.  Centre recovers the onside kick.

AC is inside the Millsaps 30, still 21-14 in the third.

Underthrown ball glances off the hands of a Trinity DB into the hands of a Lynx WR, Rhodes scores two plays later.  PAT is no good, 27-13 Trinity with 0:24 left in third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 04:03:07 PM
AC gets a 24 yard Resig field goal to extend their lead to ten, 24-14.  0:55 left in third quarter.   Bowser returns the kick 50 yards to the AC 31.

DPU gets the ball back with 2:23 to play at their own 39.  No time outs remaining for the TIgers.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 19, 2009, 04:03:25 PM
good lord the AC kick coverage has been terrible.  Millsaps has been killing us on long kickoff returns.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 04:05:10 PM
DPU is already inside the CC 10 ... but Brian Sneed intercepts Engel in the end zone.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 04:06:35 PM
DPU holds as Centre tries to convert on 4th down.

DPU Engle for Koors from the DPU 39 to the Centre 21.  
Incomplete on first .
14 yd pass to ****** for a first down to the 7.
On 3rd down Engle throws an INT in the end zone for a touchback.  Under 2 minutes.

Neither team has a timeout left.  Headed towards a Centre win, 34-24.

Centre takes a knee three times.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: KentATM on September 19, 2009, 04:03:25 PM
good lord the AC kick coverage has been terrible.  Millsaps has been killing us on long kickoff returns.
I wonder if Millsaps saw something on the McMurry tape that they could exploit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 19, 2009, 04:09:47 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 04:07:13 PM
Quote from: KentATM on September 19, 2009, 04:03:25 PM
good lord the AC kick coverage has been terrible.  Millsaps has been killing us on long kickoff returns.
I wonder if Millsaps saw something on the McMurry tape that they could exploit.

Possibly.  Of the two real complaints I have had with AC the last couple years that they still seem to have trouble with is silly penalties that kill drives and mediocre at best special teams play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 04:10:23 PM
Millsaps scores on short pass, 24-21 AC after one play in the fourth quarter.

Trinity gets a career-long 47-yard field goal from Garret Biel, 30-13 TU with 10:07 to play (have lost the video there).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 04:21:59 PM
Millsaps gets to the AC 10 but Tilden Leamon recovers a fumble and takes it to the Majors 35!

In Memphis, Dickinson finds Kyle Coats Daniel South (per @Trinity_Sports) from 34 yards out and Trinity now leads 37-13, 4:52 to play.

AC has a fourth-and-two ... timeout Millsaps.   No gain, Millsaps ball on their 27.    7:53 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 04:31:43 PM
Rhodes answers right back, their most effective drive of the day, Matt Gilbert scoring on a sneak to make the score 37-19.  The 2pt conversion is no good.  3:16 to play.

Millsaps is driving and has a third-and-six at the AC 37.  

C. Graves pass intercepted by Coachman at the AC26, Coachman return 74 yards to the MSPS0, TOUCHDOWN, clock 05:10.

The extra point is fumbled, Austin now leads 30-21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 04:38:22 PM
Not for long

C. Graves pass complete to S. Bowser for 50 yards to the AC0, 1ST DOWN MSPS, TOUCHDOWN, clock 04:23.

30-28 Austin after the XP.  

Meanwhile, Trinity is inside the Rhodes 10 and the Lynx keep calling timeouts with less than two minutes remaining.    Biel hits a chip shot to put Trinity up 40-19, 1:28 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 04:43:37 PM
the bad news keeps coming for AC

Funderburg rush to the AC25, fumble by Funderburg recovered by MSPS M. Burrell at AC26.

Tyler Barrett intercepts a last-gasp fourth down heave from Stoops, returns to Lynx 7, that should do it in Memphis.  

Not a bad first collegiate game for Patrick Dickinson:  18-22 for 265 yards and three TDs in less than three quarters of play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 04:47:12 PM
'Roos use their last time out, Millsaps is just driving it down their throats.  Third and three at the AC five ... delay of game, third and eight, pass incomplete ... here comes Russolino.  Good!  31-30 Millsaps, 2:07 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 04:52:45 PM
Braly's first pass is intercepted.  Great effort by the 'Roos, equally good effort from the Majors in staying in the game when things looked bad.

In the other SCAC game, Sewanee trails Hampden-Sydney by a count of 44-7 early in the fourth.  Ouch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 19, 2009, 04:58:16 PM
That was too close for comfort!!!   I called it to be a Kicking-hinged game and it was:  a missed PAT by AC and a clutch field goal by Russolino to ice it!!

Great Job, Majors!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 19, 2009, 05:00:57 PM
Trinity put a good game together today.  Should be a good matchup next week in Jackson.

I had my Macbook hooked up to my big screen TV, decent feed for most of the day.  The size is small, but you can zoom in easily on the mac.  So, Mrs Tex and I had a good time watching the boys play. 

Too many fumbles by both teams. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 19, 2009, 05:01:57 PM
A Big win for Millsaps going in to next week, but tons a credit to Austin.  This is a much improved team and should do well in conference play.  A gutsy win on the road for the Majors setting up a big game next week in Jackson given what Centre did today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 19, 2009, 05:03:39 PM
I cna't decide if it would have been better for TU to face a Milsaps team with a loss and really ticked off or not. :)  Either way, should be a great game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 05:08:43 PM
Both teams need to hold onto the ball better next week.   Four turnovers by Millsaps today, three from Trinity. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 19, 2009, 05:14:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 05:08:43 PM
Both teams need to hold onto the ball better next week.   Four turnovers by Millsaps today, three from Trinity.  

Trinity was +3 today in turnovers.  That helped keep them on a short field a lot today.  TU offense kept the TU defense well rested.  

I was happy to see our 3 string soph QB play well today.  Early in the first Q when he came in, he took a big sack on a busted play where he had time to hurl it out of bounds.  But that was his one big stumble.  He learned from it and tossed one or two out of bounds when he needed to avoid the sack. 

But, I'm like a lot of y'all. Not sure I want him running the option in the 4th Q.  But, you need to run your offense and they did.  I hope our other two are better for next week, but I'm encouraged by the QB play today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 19, 2009, 05:20:32 PM
Glad for the victory and looking for improved play next week.  Thinking back to 2006, Millsaps has 4 non-conference games to work out the kinks before starting SCAC play.  Now that is down to 2 games and it's getting harder and harder to consider any game a breather.

Coming into this season DePauw was the clear favorite in my mind with so many returning players and home field advantage against Centre, Millsaps, Trinity and Austin.  The home loss to Centre might not kill them if they sweep the remaining home games and then win on the road where they will probably be favored.  The loss does mean that their margin for error has gotten very small or maybe there is no margin for error.  

It seems clear that this is going to be an interesting and exciting football season in the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 05:26:42 PM
Y'all don't be sleeping on Centre.  The road in front of them is still not an easy one, but as you saw today they will be a player in the conference race. 

Tex, re "+3," great job by the defense but I don't think we can depend on Millsaps to be as liberal sharing the ball as the Lynx were today.   ;) 

I also think that injuries or no, Mr. Dickinson is now the #1 QB.    If he could play that well without practicing much with the #1s, he should be more effective after working with them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 19, 2009, 06:22:59 PM
Quote from: SCACfan81 on September 17, 2009, 06:17:13 PM
"Catching Kernek"  as of 9-17-09

Ross Hasten chasing former Austin College All-American and NY Giants RB Aaron Kernek for the all time rushing record at AC.

Aaron Kernek
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi80.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj161%2Flemasterd%2Fkernek.jpg&hash=99289c1fa32f6e260bfe9ece442ec828fe162e42)

1997:   30 att,   110 yds,   1 td,   15.7 yds/G
1998: 152 att,   805 yds,   8 td,   80.5 yds/G
1999: 174 att,   781 yds,   6 td,   97.6 yds/G
2000: 276 att, 1548 yds,  15 td, 154.8 yds/G

Totals:  632 att, 3244 yds, 30 td, 87.15 yds/G

Ross Hasten
(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi80.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj161%2Flemasterd%2Fac_rhodes_03.jpg&hash=b6a8062ac1e445cfd9296a0df869a6398e526c93)

2006:   80 att,  479 yds,  1 td,   47.9 yds/G
2007: 118 att,  672 yds,  7 td,   67.2 yds/G
2008: 131 att,  826 yds,  6 td,   82.6 yds/G
2009:   43 att,  244 yds,  4 td, 122.0 yds/G

Totals:  372 att, 2221 yds, 18 td, 79.9 yds/G

************************************

Kernek:  632 att, 3244 yds, 30 td, 87.15 yds/G
Hasten:  372 att, 2221 yds, 18 td, 79.90 yds/G

Hasten needs 1023 yds to catch Kernek's mark for yardage.
Hasten needs 127.8 yds/G to catch Kernek within the regular season.

stats
http://www.ascsports.org/sports/2009/9/14/sidebar_508.aspx?path=football
http://www.austincollege.edu/Category.asp?5553






All the respect for Ross Hasten and the 'Roos. Huge second half adjustments for Millsaps and a pair of late turnovers in its favor sealed a thrilling 31-30 win. Hasten had just 15 yards in the second half, which proved to be the difference. AC will be hard to beat this year and should provide a heck of a SCAC finish down the stretch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 19, 2009, 06:41:37 PM
Man, what a tough one for AC.  Kudos to Millsaps for holding the Roos to 34 yards on the ground in the second half.  Every time it looked like AC was about to lock it up, either Millsaps made a big play or AC turned it over.  There were a couple plays I could point to specifically that killed us, either because we should/could have scored or could/should have come up with a big play on defense, but at the end of the day both teams did enough to win and, for the 'Roos, it's unfortunate we couldn't come up with one final big play.  That would have been one of the biggest wins in recent memory for AC, but hopefully it's a sign that the 'Roos have really turned a corner.

Of course now AC's reward is to go to Danville to play a Centre team that just dismantled DePauw, so it doesn't get any easier.

By the way, if anyone kicks to that Galata kid again this year, they are absolutely insane.  And I was really, really impressed with Bowser...he must have had at least half of his yards after the initial contact.  We just could not bring him down every time it looked like we had him bottled up for minimal game.

On AC's side, big time kudos to Andy Braly, who played well despite his two picks, and Evan Coachman, who now has four picks over the last two games.  The guys played hard, just wish they could have closed it out.  No one likes moral victories, but this game was a real sign of just how far AC has come.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 19, 2009, 07:51:16 PM
Posting this by iPhone on the road with Trinity's coaches headed back to Little Rock for tomorrow's return to SA. Webcast was sketchy on shared wireless from Rhodes pressbox, but we pulled it off. Trinity dominated the Lynx in part due to early RC turnovers and big improvements in the young Tiger O-line. Black Flag D gave up almost nothing except in prevent just before the half and near the end. Kudos to TU players and coaches for good prep and a fine effort ... easily their best so far. Over 200 rushing yards including 123 by Baer. First game action by soph QB Dickinson was very impressive. Looked cool and controlled throwing for 3 TD's. Some great catches by Tigers receivers led by Curry. First-year kicker Biel set a new TU school record with 4 FG's (out of 5 attempts). Super weapon.

No rest for the Road Warriors as they will head to Jackson to take on an almost 1-2 Millsaps squad.  As others said, we were rooting for the Roos, but were also unsure of catching the Majors at home after a loss at AC.  Next week's return to Mississippi should be a good one. We'll be there just in case a lateral-fest breaks out.  ;)

See you soon, Frank!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2009, 08:41:23 PM
I summarize this game as a big road win for Millsaps, just like Centre picked up a big road win today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 19, 2009, 09:58:36 PM
I sincerely salute the defending champions - a high quality group. They found a way to win today. But also very, very proud to wear the crimson today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 19, 2009, 10:25:47 PM
Quote from: rooski on September 19, 2009, 09:58:36 PM
I sincerely salute the defending champions - a high quality group. They found a way to win today. But also very, very proud to wear the crimson today.

There's a better than average chance that last game of the year in Sherman is going to mean something.  Sounds like AC played tough today. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 11:55:28 PM
Interesting stat:  DePauw had 249 yards in the fourth quarter alone today ... after only 146 in the first three quarters.  They actually outgained Centre by ~30 yards.  So no snoozing on DPU, either.  Thanks to the writeup from DPU SID Bill Wagner (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/news.asp?id=24058) for the pointer.  What a fun year ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 20, 2009, 12:13:25 AM
What a game in Sherman today - got to listen to the whole game which was well worth the time!
Austin is to be commended for a fine effort, Millsaps for finding a way to win.

Quote from: jekelish on September 19, 2009, 06:41:37 PM
By the way, if anyone kicks to that Galata kid again this year, they are absolutely insane.  And I was really, really impressed with Bowser...he must have had at least half of his yards after the initial contact.  We just could not bring him down every time it looked like we had him bottled up for minimal game.

Well, I hate the word is out.  Galatas also had a punt return TD called back today (had one earlier in the season also).  He could easily become another Chris Jackson who I'm sure Trinity's Tigers remember from a few years ago.  Galatas will run on the new Millsaps track team this year as well.

See you guys next week!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on September 20, 2009, 09:10:27 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2009, 11:55:28 PM
Interesting stat:  DePauw had 249 yards in the fourth quarter alone today ... after only 146 in the first three quarters.  They actually outgained Centre by ~30 yards.  So no snoozing on DPU, either.  Thanks to the writeup from DPU SID Bill Wagner (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/news.asp?id=24058) for the pointer.  What a fun year ...
Seems as if the Colonels' modus operandi in 2009 is to come out strong to open games & seize the opportunity. I didn't follow yesterday's game, just saw the recap on the Centre website. I did track their game the prior week against Maryville & it was similar to yesterday's effort against DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 20, 2009, 12:11:44 PM
Quote from: rooski on September 19, 2009, 09:58:36 PM
I sincerely salute the defending champions - a high quality group. They found a way to win today. But also very, very proud to wear the crimson today.

And we salute you and your entire team, rooski. AC gave Millsaps all it could handle, and if not for one botched PAT, it could've been headed to overtime. The 'Roos are no doubt a Top 4 team in the league, but heck, everyone has got a shot this year. I see Austin being a .500 or better team this year, with a tough, tough schedule down the stretch. Good luck to your 'Roos the rest of the way, they showed tons of heart in Sherman and really deserved to be the victor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 20, 2009, 05:57:00 PM
My guess is that there are Millsaps fans reading and not posting, and that might include folks with sons who are playing on the JV team this year.  The photos from the 9/14 JV game with MC are at this link:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MC2009-10/JVFB2009/MCJV091409/9698101_mbU7h#655393030_Dvj6s
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 21, 2009, 12:03:17 PM
I know it's only Monday morning, but it's awfully quiet out there ... should heat up as we near the return of the Texas Tigers to Jackson.  Both teams seem to be a bit underpowered in their first three games this year ... since we have met later in the season in recent years, the dynamics of this early matchup might be different than usual. 

No doubt that Trinity will be well-prepared to return to Harper Davis Field and the Majors will have some ammunition loaded up for them.  Always a big crowd and festive atmosphere ... I expect it to be especially charged for the SCAC implications and the rivalry of recent seasons.

For those within driving distance ... or with some extra bucks for airfare ... y'all might want to get yourselves to Millsaps this weekend!  I predict a barn-burner with SCAC championship possibilities on the line.  For those who don't make it, I assume both sides will have webcasts fired up for Internet viewing.

Tex and frank ... bring your cameras ... and some extra memory cards!!

GO TIGERS.   8)   BEAT THE MAJORS.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 21, 2009, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 21, 2009, 12:03:17 PM
I know it's only Monday morning, but it's awfully quiet out there ... should heat up as we near the return of the Texas Tigers to Jackson.  Both teams seem to be a bit underpowered in their first three games this year ... since we have met later in the season in recent years, the dynamics of this early matchup might be different than usual.  

No doubt that Trinity will be well-prepared to return to Harper Davis Field and the Majors will have some ammunition loaded up for them.  Always a big crowd and festive atmosphere ... I expect it to be especially charged for the SCAC implications and the rivalry of recent seasons.

For those within driving distance ... or with some extra bucks for airfare ... y'all might want to get yourselves to Millsaps this weekend!  I predict a barn-burner with SCAC championship possibilities on the line.  For those who don't make it, I assume both sides will have webcasts fired up for Internet viewing.

Tex and frank ... bring your cameras ... and some extra memory cards!!

GO TIGERS.   8)   BEAT THE MAJORS.

BEAT THE MAJORS?????  

It would take a miracle for the Tigers to beat the Majors!!!!! :)  (oh wait, we can no longer rule out that possibility)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 21, 2009, 12:30:52 PM
Ah, that was a good one, frank!   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 21, 2009, 01:03:21 PM
Frank...too clever!!!!  I'm still laughing!!

Now, I wasn't laughing while I stood in the stands and watched fireworks literally explode while that mangeled mess of a 'miracle' took place.  The fireworks' noise made for a stark juxtaposition with the stunned silence when that play was over..........players, some on their knees others winded with hands on hips, bent at the waist in total exhaustion and disbelief, parents in tears, and the Trinity team and fans overjoyed with their cheers and hollars echoing across the complex.  Then  the days and weeks of having to re-live the play with friends and then suffer the pain of watching it over and over on seemingly every sports broadcast for the remainder of the football season.

It is a day I will never forget and I am sure the Majors will use it to insure they never fail to be "up" for the TC game!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 21, 2009, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on September 21, 2009, 12:03:17 PM
I know it's only Monday morning, but it's awfully quiet out there ... should heat up as we near the return of the Texas Tigers to Jackson.  Both teams seem to be a bit underpowered in their first three games this year ... since we have met later in the season in recent years, the dynamics of this early matchup might be different than usual. 

No doubt that Trinity will be well-prepared to return to Harper Davis Field and the Majors will have some ammunition loaded up for them.  Always a big crowd and festive atmosphere ... I expect it to be especially charged for the SCAC implications and the rivalry of recent seasons.

For those within driving distance ... or with some extra bucks for airfare ... y'all might want to get yourselves to Millsaps this weekend!  I predict a barn-burner with SCAC championship possibilities on the line.  For those who don't make it, I assume both sides will have webcasts fired up for Internet viewing.

Tex and frank ... bring your cameras ... and some extra memory cards!!

GO TIGERS.   8)   BEAT THE MAJORS.

I'm not sure how good the crowd will be this year on the Millsaps side. Last game against Belhaven at home was awful attendance wise, and they're right across the street. With Mississippi State and LSU playing in Starkville, I expect a ton of our students to be up there. I would say over 60% of Millsaps students are from Louisiana.

Unfortunately it won't be 3,500 like the 2007 meeting, maybe around 1,000 at most.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 21, 2009, 03:40:25 PM
Well it seems no matter how many times I check,the score still says 31-30 millsaps. My eyes saw it, my ears heard it, but my mind does not want to belive it. What a great college football game that was at Jerry E Apple on Saturday. The champs looked stunned for the first half, but responded at the break with poise and determination. The front seven of Millsaps was the deciding factor in the contest.

I was able to take some pictures of the game. Here is the link,http://photos.bralystudios.com/ (http://photos.bralystudios.com/)(hope this is OK)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 21, 2009, 04:22:13 PM
1)  Nice photos, RooBro...thanks for putting them up!

2)  This weekend is Family Day at Millsaps so there might be a few more non-football families that will be there for the activities and game.  Sure hope so, the extra support is welcome.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 21, 2009, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on September 21, 2009, 04:22:13 PM
1)  Nice photos, RooBro...thanks for putting them up!

2)  This weekend is Family Day at Millsaps so there might be a few more non-football families that will be there for the activities and game.  Sure hope so, the extra support is welcome.



Family Day? I didn't see or hear anything about that. Is that on the Millsaps website somewhere? I need to get the fam together then and make it out Saturday. I heard there were a lot of new tailgating rules in the end zones, so it will be interesting to see. There weren't any parents in the end zone against Belhaven, and maybe 35 students in the opposite end zone. We need all we can get. I swear the better we get, the smaller the crowd. ??? Just doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 21, 2009, 07:50:58 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 21, 2009, 06:27:57 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on September 21, 2009, 04:22:13 PM
1)  Nice photos, RooBro...thanks for putting them up!

2)  This weekend is Family Day at Millsaps so there might be a few more non-football families that will be there for the activities and game.  Sure hope so, the extra support is welcome.



Family Day? I didn't see or hear anything about that. Is that on the Millsaps website somewhere? I need to get the fam together then and make it out Saturday. I heard there were a lot of new tailgating rules in the end zones, so it will be interesting to see. There weren't any parents in the end zone against Belhaven, and maybe 35 students in the opposite end zone. We need all we can get. I swear the better we get, the smaller the crowd. ??? Just doesn't make sense.

Respectfully, yes it does.  The loss of the novelty and complacency have set in.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on September 21, 2009, 07:57:52 PM
The tailgaters have moved up to by the baseball field.  I did get a letter at some point about it being parents weekend and some sort of bbq prior to game time, but for the life of me, I cannot recall where it will be held. 

Nice pics roo,  could it hurt to do maybe one of our punter??? hint hint hint. Why does my child not get any love????

I am headed to Jackson alone this weekend. Hubby heading away again. 

GO MAJORS
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 21, 2009, 08:48:18 PM
Sorry M&M, I havent shot a football game in about 4 1/2 years. I was only on the field for the first half and I wasn't in position to get the only Millsaps punt of the first half. I guess we will have to play again!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 21, 2009, 09:11:02 PM
2 more Majors make SCAC POTW!!!!!!!  Congrats to Bowser and Galatas!!


Looked all over the Millsaps web and can't find the Family Day infor....but I know there are special recitals/concerts, BBQ and some other activities.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 21, 2009, 10:27:24 PM
Link to Millsaps Family Day information:

http://www.millsaps.edu/devoff/relations/family_weekend.shtml
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 22, 2009, 09:57:35 AM
Quote from: millsaps mom on September 21, 2009, 07:57:52 PM
Nice pics roo,  could it hurt to do maybe one of our punter??? hint hint hint. Why does my child not get any love????

mom ... hope your punter is very busy this week!  tex ... can you catch a few photos for millsaps mom?  As far as I'm concerned, the more Majors punts, the better!   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 22, 2009, 12:00:24 PM
Being such a nice guy, I take photos of the opposing team's punter just about every time they punt.  Of course, I end up deleting all of those photos unless Millsaps blocks the punt. 

Unlike the group of photographers from D3Sports, my goal isn't to get good photos of both teams and I wouldn't expect a fan of another team to capture (or keep) good photos of the Millsaps players.  And unlike TigerDad, I'm hoping that Tex only gets a chance to photograph our extra point kicker and not our punter.

While this week's game may not be able to top the conclusion of the 2007 game, I have a feeling that it's going to be a great game from start to finish.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2009, 12:03:13 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 22, 2009, 12:00:24 PM
Being such a nice guy, I take photos of the opposing team's punter just about every time they punt.  Of course, I end up deleting all of those photos unless Millsaps blocks the punt. 



So much for altruism...

We know your real motives now.    ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 22, 2009, 03:15:15 PM
Quote from: millsaps mom on September 21, 2009, 07:57:52 PM
Nice pics roo,  could it hurt to do maybe one of our punter??? hint hint hint. Why does my child not get any love????

GO MAJORS

If I'm not mistaken, the media guide I bought had Millsaps' punter on the front cover. In all my years of watching football, I can't say I've ever seen a punter on the front cover, except for maybe at the University of Tennessee. That's showing plenty of love in my book. ;)

He is having another strong year with his average, which is good to see. We just need some help with punt coverage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2009, 04:09:24 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 22, 2009, 03:15:15 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the media guide I bought had Millsaps' punter on the front cover. In all my years of watching football, I can't say I've ever seen a punter on the front cover, except for maybe at the University of Tennessee. That's showing plenty of love in my book. ;)


And for those who cannot find the Millsaps media guide in their local stores ;), see here (http://issuu.com/millsaps/docs/09fbmediaguide).  Mr. Lawrimore is one of those featured. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 22, 2009, 05:48:16 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on September 21, 2009, 09:11:02 PM
2 more Majors make SCAC POTW!!!!!!!  Congrats to Bowser and Galatas!!

Definitely well deserved! Those 2 guys are f-u-n to watch.

But I want to call attention to #92 Mason Burrell. He has already received special recognition this season for his play on the Millsaps defensive line. In my book he was a real key to the 2nd half turn around for the Majors against AC.

However, please allow me call attention to him this week for his conduct on the field Saturday in Sherman. This young man was the epitome of a competitor and a sportsman at the same time. You could not help but see his love for the game he plays, his incredible desire and competitive nature and the sportsmanship he demonstrated throughout the day. It was an absolute joy to watch him play football. And the respect he showed his opponent warmed my heart. This Saturday he was a credit to himself, his family, and his team and his school - and I wanted you to know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scacsports on September 22, 2009, 07:31:18 PM
I was in attendance last Saturday in Sherman, and what a game!  Here's my review of the Roos' near upset...

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi80.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj161%2Flemasterd%2FIMG_8830_72604_Large.jpg&hash=d32199a1a2a38912ccdf27bb955e9defac233223) 
Andy Braly, QB Austin College

Coach Gage and Austin College nearly hung on for the upset win against the defending SCAC champs despite having QB Andy Braly playing with a hurt shoulder and four of their starting lineman sit out due to injury; ironically days after the AC offensive line graced the front page of d3football.com for their Team of the Week honors.

The front seven of MC was the difference in stopping the AC rushing attack of Hasten and Braly.  Hawkins and Sager of Millsaps were impressive with 9 and 8 tkls, repsectively.  And Sager added an int to seal the win.  But the rush defense of MC was not the only crucial part of the Major's win.

Despite muffing two AC kickoffs, Galatas averaged 40 yds per KO return including a 92 yd score.  Bowser added KO returns of 66 and 51 to give the Majors an avg starting field position at their own 42 yd line.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi80.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj161%2Flemasterd%2FIMG_8766_6ba27_Large.jpg&hash=4dd0aef33dbab38bdfe06918ea295934b40d100b) 
Chris Graves, QB Millsaps College

However, AC had their own chances to win the game as Andy Braly took advantage of the Majors crowding the line of scrimmage and went over the top for 180 yds on 8 of 14 passing. 

Ross Hasten nearly hit the century mark grinding out 94 yds on the ground including a 40 yd scamper in the 1st qtr in which Hasten was stopped just short of the goal line.  Hasten lead all rushers in yardage despite the Majors crowding the line of scrimmage and putting eight and sometimes nine men in the box to try and stop him.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi80.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fj161%2Flemasterd%2FIMG_8888_203a1_Large.jpg&hash=bea89aee709c380051c23a65a059b3fc8b6a286f) 
Ross Hasten, RB Austin College

Defensively for the Roos, Millsaps QB Chris Graves was held to just 218 yds on 19 of 40 passing.  Junior safety Evan coachmen led the charge getting his 3rd and 4th ints of the season, one of which he took back 74 yds for the td. 

Defensive tackle Todd Murray and linebacker Tanner Martin added a sack and int, respectively.  And senior cornerback Matt Finke had a solid performance adding 10 tkl.

Three plays down the stretch proved to be crucial for Austin College, perhaps costing them the game:

1.  The first was a missed PAT with 5:10 left in the 4th qtr following Coachmen's 74 yd int return.  Instead of a ten point lead, the Roos led just 30-21.

2.  Leading by just two points with 3:30 left in the game, a costly Funderburg fumble gave the Majors the ball on the AC 26, needing just a FG to win.

3.  Four plays later with 2:13 left on the clock, Graves throws an errant pass that was dropped by AC backup AJ Graham, who was temporarily in for an injured Matt Finke.


If Austin College had either made their final PAT and played OT, not fumbled on their end of the field with 3 minutes left, or had made the apparent int with 2 minutes left then perhaps they might have slipped by the #1 team in the SCAC with one of the biggest wins in recent AC history.

However, despite those crucial game changing plays for Austin College, Millsaps earned the win with consistent run defense and special teams play.

The 2009 season is already living up to the hype as one of the closest races in recent SCAC history.  Millsaps hosts undefeated Trinity this week in a battle of the SCAC titans while Austin College travels to Centre College a week after Centre's upset of #20 DePauw.

The SCAC is still wide open.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 22, 2009, 09:54:10 PM
On a board that too often has been limited to talk about DePauw, Millsaps and Trinity, it's good to see some passionate fans from another team join the mix.  I'd love to see that kind of representation for all the teams/players in the SCAC.

Speaking of the players in the SCAC, I want to thank you rooski for taking the time to post the kind words about Mason Burrell.  While that combination of heart, desire, and sportsmanship is very special, I also know that these are qualities shared by athletes at every school and in every sport in the SCAC.  I believe that's a primary reason all of us here support D3 sports and our favorite teams so passionately.  I know it's the primary reason behind what I do for Millsaps.

Rooski, just so you'll know, I did a cut and paste of your post and emailed it to Mason.  There's no doubt that it will be greatly appreciated.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on September 23, 2009, 08:17:56 AM
 ;D

Gee, leave the board for one afternoon and miss all the love for me.

Tex,  as much as I love seeing my son play, I wish that he doesn't take the field on Saturday becasuse we score on every possession...

Yeah, that is his pic on the front  of the media guide, came as quite a shock to me. I had no idea. I am though picking up a few extra copies to be mailed out to relatives.

I cannot wait until Sat. I am so happy that so many of our players have made the D-3 POW and also the SCAC POW. I think they all deserve it.

Frank, you always get great shots of my son, thanks as always. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 23, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
OK, it is mid-week and time to move from photos and Miracle stories and on to some football talk! 

It is good to 'hear' from some new posters and some of the insights have been solid. The race is indeed wide open, which makes the weekend all the more exciting!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 23, 2009, 09:39:40 PM
No doubt the Roos will have their hands full this weekend in Kentucky. After a long day of travel a night game awaits with what I 'm certain will be a fired up bunch of Colonels. I suspect this is a game that Centre marked with a "W" when they looked through the '09 schedule. And why not? At home against a team they've won two straight from - on a serious roll to start the season - firing on all cylinders in all three phases of the game.

I can say that I have been impressed with the game plan from week to week that coach Gage and his staff have put together so far. When the team has executed the plan good things have happened.

"scacsports" mentioned the condition of the QB and the"O-line" for last weeks game against Millsaps. Phillip Gonzales {WR} also sat out that day after the violent collision that he had during the McM game. So that made 5 of our 11 regular starters who did not play or saw part time action last week. It says a lot about the depth the Roos have now that simply wasn't there before. I don't know about Gonzales status for Saturday but I believe several of the other starters are improving heading into this weekend. I said during the preseason that we needed to stay healthy - I hope it was not a jinx.

The offense will need to take what the Centre defense gives and special teams must prevent the huge kick-off returns. If the defense can contribute in the scoring column again hopefully the Kangaroos can hang around and even finish with the lead this week. And if you ask me, Matt Finke is due for another big play...

One thing I do know about the Roos and this weeks game ... they intend to win it!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 23, 2009, 09:40:09 PM
Figured I'd fire out some weekend predictions and get things cracking.

Rhodes @ Birmingham-Southern (BSC 27, Rhodes 26) Live Stats: http://www.sidearmstats.com/bsc/football/ (http://www.sidearmstats.com/bsc/football/)

DePauw @ Sewanee (DePauw 38, Sewanee 17) Video: http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/Sewanee-University-of-the-South (http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/Sewanee-University-of-the-South)

Austin @ Centre (Centre 34, Austin 31)

Trinity @ Millsaps (Millsaps 24, Trinity 23) Video: http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Milsaps-College (http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Milsaps-College)

And for those of you traveling to Harper Davis Field in Jackson, MS, this weekend, bring an umbrella. It's rained for about 2 weeks straight now and is in the forecast for scattered thunderstorms (40-50 percent chance of rain) all through the weekend.

Good luck to all this weekend, the race for the 2009 SCAC crown continues....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2009, 09:06:59 AM
The SA E-N finally came up with a story on Trinity QB Patrick Dickinson (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/Central_Catholic_grad_bails_out_Trinity.html), I guess they finally ran out of Incarnate Word story lines.   

One tidbit:  season starting QB Jeremy Staska is again healthy, but Coach Mohr doesn't yet know who the starter will be in Jackson. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 24, 2009, 11:04:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2009, 09:06:59 AM
1. I guess they finally ran out of Incarnate Word story lines.

2. Coach Mohr doesn't yet know who the starter will be in Jackson.  

You're funny squared, Ron.    ;D 

1. Dickinson is from SA's Central Catholic High School, so that adds some weight to the SA storyline.

2. Have you met Coach Mohr?  He's in his 20th season at the helm.  Trust me, he knows. 

;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 24, 2009, 11:24:02 AM
Story on Coach DuBose in the Birmingham News this morning:

http://www.al.com/sports/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/sports/1253780128112510.xml&coll=2

Glad to hear that he and his wife Polly got good news from the doctors this week--here's a quote from the above mentioned story:

"Remember Lateralpalooza? The 15-lateral pass for the winning touchdown on the game's final play that went into heavy rotation on ESPN?

That was Trinity over Millsaps two years ago.

If Millsaps wins this time - and the Majors are winning under DuBose more often than ever before in school history - it won't be the head coach's biggest victory of the week.

On Tuesday morning, his wife, Polly, underwent cancer surgery at UAB Hospital. She came through the procedure so well, and the prognosis for a full recovery is so good, her husband was able to drive her home Tuesday night."


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 24, 2009, 12:53:17 PM
Thanks for posting the link.  That was a good piece on Coach Dubos.  Alot of what the team has said and I have witnessed over the past couple years from the coaches talks seems validated by the opinions of others.

So glad to hear that his wife's surgery was successful...that has got to be so traumatic.

I hope he stays put at MC (obviously)...the hard part is getting and keeping assistant coaches when you have a successful program.  That is why most assistant coaches have U-Haul trailer hitches on their cars!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 24, 2009, 01:32:27 PM
Prediction for Saturday:  Millsaps 31, Trinity 28. 
                                       Centre 27, Austin 20
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 24, 2009, 03:13:36 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on September 24, 2009, 01:32:27 PM
Prediction for Saturday:  Millsaps 31, Trinity 28. 
                                       Centre 27, Austin 20

I think you could be on with the Centre - Austin score, but WHO KNOWS what might happen in Jackson ...

An inexperienced Major defensive backfield against a strong Tiger passing attack supplemented by Chris Baer's runs will be a lot for the Majors to handle.  I'm not sure that playing an inexperienced QB will affect Trinity that much ...
... but good luck with Galatas and Bowser! 

Could this come down to special teams?!?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 24, 2009, 05:12:48 PM
Major Rev & All:   I do think the special teams will determine the outcome.  Putting the offenses in a hole on those non-scoring drives will aid the defense, so punts will be critical.  Field goals and PATs are about evenly matched and in spite of some wet-weather forecasts, the kicking dual will determine the game when 0:00 is left on the board.

Punters:  Lawrimore  MC   (photo available on media guide cover)
               Trella  TU   
Kickers:   Russolino  MC     (photos available on gomajors.com and scac web site)
               Biel  TU                (photo available on scac website)

                                       MC                                         TU
Punt avg                         39.6                                      43.6
Punt long                        53                                          61
PAT                                 100%                                    100%
FG   %                             75%                                      80%
FG Long                           47                                         47

(remember, these are 2009 SCAC stat numbers..)but please feel free to double-check my typing ;)!


The defense will need #5 Peters to be at 100% physically this game, he always brings it mentally, even when he was out for that one game, he coached and counseled from the sideline with such enthusiasm and passion!


I am excited for an expected hard fought game, certainly not a blow-out and hoping that the rain holds off and everyone stays safe!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 24, 2009, 05:25:04 PM
SCACsports,

I have been on the road much of this week and was thinking some of what I would say about my Roos when I had a chance to post.  I thought your post on the game summed up my thoughts better than I could.  Thanks for your fine perspective.

I could not help but wonder how having the four starters in the o-line out affected AC's running game as the second half wore on.  Kudos to Millsaps and their fans on finding a way to win.  Having a championship under your belt definitely helps in this kind of game!

I was at the game and when visiting with AC's AD he told me he would introduce us.  I got into the game and forgot to follow up on that and I regret it now.  My wife and I were sitting next to Dr. Page during the game.  Maybe next time!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on September 25, 2009, 08:24:46 AM
 :D

To all my Major family and friends, I should be in around midnight, flying out late tonight, we'll see ya'll at the Cabot.  If you haven't met me and want to, please do say hello. I am the one with the 37 on my back, lololol

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2009, 10:20:16 AM
Safe travels to all attending games tomorrow.

I just got a call from some old friends who are unexpectedly coming to town and so will likely be unable to watch/listen to most of the games this weekend.  If someone could post the occasional score update here it would be appreciated.  

EDIT:  Trinity today announced that Dennis A. Ahlburg (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/public_relations/news_releases/090925_ahlburg.htm), currently Dean of the Leeds School of Business at the University of Colorado at Boulder, will assume the presidency Jan. 1, 2010.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 25, 2009, 03:13:54 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on September 24, 2009, 05:12:48 PM
Major Rev & All:   I do think the special teams will determine the outcome.  Putting the offenses in a hole on those non-scoring drives will aid the defense, so punts will be critical.  Field goals and PATs are about evenly matched and in spite of some wet-weather forecasts, the kicking dual will determine the game when 0:00 is left on the board.

Punters:  Lawrimore  MC   (photo available on media guide cover)
               Trella  TU   
Kickers:   Russolino  MC     (photos available on gomajors.com and scac web site)
               Biel  TU                (photo available on scac website)

                                       MC                                         TU
Punt avg                         39.6                                      43.6
Punt long                        53                                          61
PAT                                 100%                                    100%
FG   %                             75%                                      80%
FG Long                           47                                         47

(remember, these are 2009 SCAC stat numbers..)but please feel free to double-check my typing ;)!


The defense will need #5 Peters to be at 100% physically this game, he always brings it mentally, even when he was out for that one game, he coached and counseled from the sideline with such enthusiasm and passion!


I am excited for an expected hard fought game, certainly not a blow-out and hoping that the rain holds off and everyone stays safe!

THIS IS ALL FINE AND GOOD, BUT WHAT I THINK WILL BE PARTICULARLY INTERESTING WILL BE THE RETURNS!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 25, 2009, 03:26:18 PM
You are right on.  There will be some 'fleet feets o'fury' on the field heading the other way for both!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 25, 2009, 04:29:40 PM
Agreed. Urban vs. Galatas in the return game should be fun to watch.

Here's a preview on Millsaps' website: http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/9/24/FB_0924094849.aspx (http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/9/24/FB_0924094849.aspx)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wab64 on September 25, 2009, 08:56:45 PM

      I have followed your site all week and no word(s) from the DePauw faithful. They seem to have disappeared as fast and as far as the votes on d3.com's top 25 poll after the Centre game. I've posted on the NCAC board in which I gave it as my opinion that it was a dirty Irish trick to take EVERYTHING away. After all, Centre is a respectable program and no doormat. Come Back Wes and D3 dpu fan-We miss your insight. BTW, when did they stop being the "Prayin' Colonels"-did they get excommunicated or something. Wab 64, who always fights
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 25, 2009, 10:44:39 PM
I must be dense but I have almost no idea of what you are talking about with the Irish trick and the taking away.  Feel free to enlighten me (or not).

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2009, 07:54:16 AM
Really isn't that much to say, I don't think.  Played flat in the first half, got too far behind, lost, and our quarterback got hurt to boot.  I haven't heard anything about the injury all week, and I have no idea if it's anything that's going to keep him out today.  If Spud doesn't play, Michael Engle will.  He's the one who brought DePauw back last week anyway.

While the mountain is never an easy place to play, they're going to see a team that lost to Wash & Lee by 26 28 and HSC by 44.  DePauw ought to just be able to out-talent them, but I kinda thought that this past Saturday, too.  Shouldn't be a problem today, as long as they avoid the eggs at the pre-game meal at Jim Oliver's Smokehouse Lodge and Restaurant.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 26, 2009, 09:28:30 AM
It's a warm muggy day in Jackson this morning.  Even though the sun is covered in clouds, I do believe the heat might play a factor today.  I wonder which squad has better backups?  Hmm... 

Rain is forecast at 60% when I checked it last night before bed.  We're in the Courtyard right next door to the team hotel. (I get a ton of Marriott points, so we stay exclusively on points for football season.  And then there's Hertz... points, free car... the rewards of never being home I guess).

I like how most folks seem to be writing Trinity off today.  I hope it's a great game with TU on top at the end.  More importantly, let's all say a prayer that none of the SCAC young men get injured today.  I still believe in prayer.  I hope Milsaps has a chaplain to give the invocation today.  (y'all are Methodist, right?) 

It'll be interesting to me to see the punt returners like several of you have mentioned.  TU's punter is pretty good but sometimes, he kicks it too far, out kicking his coverage.  The other guy gets a nice running start quite often.  Personally, I wouldn't kick to either team's returner.  Just angle it out of bounds and let my defense take over.  But that's just me.  :)

We were in the airport waiting in the rental car line when the team showed up in baggage claim.  It was the first time I have seen our team all dressed up in suits and ties.  Quite businesslike in their approach. 

Time for some clichés...

Let the chips fall where they may.
Leave it all out there on the field.
Never give up until the last whistle blows...

TIgers over Majors  32-21 on the foot of Biel.;  He's a real weapon I've not seen TU possess in the last two previous years.  Get down to the 30-35 and it'll be 3 points just about every time.  Having a really good FG kicker is such a weapon. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2009, 02:51:30 PM
No Spud.  It's Engle on a rainy afternoon up on the mountain. 

3-0 DPU as the play towards the end of the 1st.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2009, 03:06:56 PM
Millsaps 7, Trinity 0 at the half.

The Majors defense has been very potent, Trinity has done very little on offense.  Holding penalties have cost Millsaps two touchdowns and the Majors missed a 43-yard field goal try.  Trinity had a 60-yard pass called back on an offensive interference.  TU has tried both Staska and Dickinson at QB, neither has been terribly effective, Staska came back in in the second quarter.   Millsaps has been winning the position battle with Trinity starting its last two drives inside their own five. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2009, 03:27:44 PM
3-0 DPU at half.

The conditions are horrible.  Pouring down rain.  Field is pretty much standing water all over.  Nobody can throw the football.  3 runs and a punt every possession for both teams.

EDIT: Still 3-0 after 3.  Finally stopped raining, but the field is still pretty bad.  A failed 4th down for both teams and about eleventy punts in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 26, 2009, 04:26:06 PM
Weird play in the DePauw - Sewanee game:   Sewanee's QB catches own pass for 3 yd. gain after pass is deflected.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2009, 04:52:27 PM
DePauw wins 3-0.  Ugly, ugly, ugly up on the mountain today.  Guys were slipping and falling all over the place.  Couldn't even pull a lineman without somebody falling down.

I hate to hazard a guess without seeing the box, and I didn't watch every single play, but I'd reckon Engle had less than 20 attempts today. Maybe even less than 15.  Lot of short runs.  Just a nasty day to play football.

EDIT: It was 15 attempts.  6-15 for 135 for Engle, although he had one for 40, one for 37, and one for 27.  Sewanee's 2 QB's combined on 4-17 for 26 yds to give you some idea of what they were playing in today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 26, 2009, 04:54:58 PM
Wes:
The worst field conditions I've seen on our field in long time.    Thought for a second that y'all were going to score on that last drive.      
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 26, 2009, 05:03:29 PM
Good win in Jackson for the Majors 24-6.

It looks like Chris Graves is getting more comfortable with the offense---518yds today. Defense played real tough holding TU to < 190 yds--3 interceptions for Kevin Peters. Only TU score came on a wonderful return by C. Urbane.
This team can get better--3 TDs called back for holding penalties. They will have to rebound from the loss of Lee Klein.
On to Indiana next week.
Lots of distractions this week. Please keep the Coach and  Mrs. DuBose in your thoughts and prayers.
Go Majors
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 26, 2009, 05:42:39 PM
Will anyone be at (and therefore able to update from) the AC/Centre game tonight?  With Millsaps seemingly easing past Trinity and DePauw squeaking by Sewanee, it really does seem like the SCAC is even more wide open than anyone could have predicted.  Tonight's game could prove to be HUGE.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 26, 2009, 05:53:09 PM
After watching Ole Miss lie down at South Carolina, Millsaps fans were anxious about this one!  And when the prayer microphone didn't work, I thought it was a BAD omen (yes, we are Methodist and DO believe in prayer).

But the Majors put up a solid effort today - an inexperienced pass defense had its best day (Tevin Goggins with three break-ups and Kevin Peters with three interceptions) and the offense limited its turnovers and put up solid numbers in the run and the pass.  Bowser runs for 119 yards on 11 carries, Graves throws for 298 on 23 of 41.  Didn't really do much flashy; just took what Trinity gave them.

I was really impressed with Trinity's punter - Trella!  Millsaps never had a strong return.  Had Trella not shanked one out of bounds, his punting average would have been much higher, but I suppose that's the way it goes.
Millsaps' Larrimore was punting from the 50 most of the day - and placed six of eight punts inside the tweinty with two of them inside the TWO!

Definitely not Trinity's best day though there were bright spots for them - a couple of decent drives late in the game, a godd pass protection most of the day.
 Only had two first downs in the first half.

Sore spot for Millsaps was the loss of Lee Klein with a knee injury; possibly out for the year.  You hate to see that happen to a young man, particularly a senior of that caliber.

Good luck to Trinity - this SCAC race is FAR from over!  And now it's on to Depauw ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 07:45:50 PM
8:17 left in first 6-6
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 07:47:49 PM
rained most of the day but game time conditions are good
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 26, 2009, 07:53:20 PM
Link to the Millsaps-Trinity story on the Millsaps site:
http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/9/26/FB_0926092521.aspx

Link to the stats for the game--a very surprising difference in stats for a game that many thought would be a toss-up:
http://www.gomajors.com/custompages/Football/2009/mcf09-04.htm

Regarding Millsaps OLB Lee Klein, he hurt his knee on the opening kickoff.  Later he was on the sideline during the game and he told me it was a torn ACL.  A very tough loss for Millsaps and a tough break for a guy who plays full speed all the time and with a tremendous amount of heart.  I hate to see his career end in this way and so early in the 2009 season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 07:56:32 PM
4 turnovers so for LOT of hitting
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 07:58:01 PM
TD AC!

13-6 AC

5:17 1ST
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2009, 07:58:46 PM
Quote from: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 07:58:01 PM
TD AC!

13-6 AC

5:17 1ST

Appreciate the updates, since CC's live stats don't seem to be working.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 08:01:42 PM
Got a man in the stands! I will do what I can.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 08:10:09 PM
Center field goal on 4th & 8 no good!

After 1 13-6 AC

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 08:18:29 PM
After 64 yrd completion to the 3 Ross hasten does the rest.

20-6 11:42 2nd
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 08:34:11 PM
Center scores from the 5 at 4:38 20-13
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 08:39:00 PM
Center fumbles the punt AC ball at 48
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 26, 2009, 08:59:22 PM
I am getting the Centre Live Stats--shows AC up 20-13 at half.  Here's the link:

http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/livestats/football/xlive.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 09:02:13 PM
Thanks Frank I can watch from here!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 26, 2009, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 08:34:11 PM
Center scores from the 5 at 4:38 20-13

Thanks for the updates....but it's CENTRE, not Center.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 09:35:43 PM
Hey I'm from Texas, give me a break
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 26, 2009, 09:50:08 PM
On 4th and 2 AC goes play action pass for a TD
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 26, 2009, 10:08:01 PM

Report from Jackson:

Trinity is very small.  The biggest guys on the team don't really fill up their jerseys.  Toe to toe at the LOS, the Tigers gave up many pounds and inches to the Majors and that was clearly evident from the sidelines.  The only people that seem to have real size at their positions are Chris Baer and Al Furlow.  Both those guys are good players but just can't do much behind the current O Line. 

Trinity's quarterback situation is pretty spotty.  Both of them did some good things today, but neither seems to really know what he's doing.

Millsaps is not close to being what they were last year.  Graves runs the offense but doesn't seem to be able to get the ball down the field.  Fortunately for him, Metzger and Bowser are great runners after the catch, and they get excellent help from the receivers as blockers.  They still have size and quickness, but I see them as lacking the real quality players to get them deep into the playoffs.  I do, however, think they are the clear favorite for the conference title.  An upset along the way would not surprise me.

After the last two heavyweight bouts that were staged between these two teams in Jackson, this game seemed really small time.  There was a late arriving crowd and at times I could almost hear the officials talking to each other it was so quiet out there.  Looking at the backs of the Trinity benchwarmers, today felt very small time. 

Trinity is going to have to fight for every win it seems because Centre and Austin look ready to challenge the Tigers finally and if DePauw gets on track, TU could end up in the middle of the pack.  That said, a nine win season isn't out of the question, but neither is it for any of the aforementioned teams.  Parity is setting in. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2009, 10:11:45 PM
Centre up 34-27 and driving inside the AC10.  About two minutes left in the game.

EDIT: Centre misses a 32-yd FG, AC takes over on their 20 with 0:51 left and NO timeouts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2009, 10:21:23 PM
AC gets to the Centre 44 but the last-gasp pass falls incomplete.  Centre holds on to remain tied with Millsaps for the conference lead. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 26, 2009, 11:39:59 PM
TU2698,

I won't comment on the parts of your report that deal with the Trinity team, but I'll give my observations on your thoughts about the game in general and this year's Millsaps team.  In a lot of ways, I think your observations are accurate.

About the game--You are correct about the crowd being smaller and the atmosphere more subdued and here are a bunch of probable contributing factors:

---Change of schedule.  Hard to build as much excitement for the 2nd SCAC game instead of the SCAC Championship game.
---Lousy weather forecast (fortunately, fairly decent weather)
---Millsaps unranked, Trinity barely in the top-20.
---You may have noticed that Millsaps has banned tailgating at the North end of the field, the end with the hill and pine trees.  They also have cracked down on beer at the South end of the field where the students gather.  That definitely cuts down on the atmosphere and crowd.
---The economy.  I'm sure that cut into the number of fans for both teams.
---The internet option.  It's great to have the games on the internet and with the economy, being able to watch the game might be a reason that some don't come to the games.
---Very little Millsaps support from the community.  One of my pet peeves for years. Millsaps does a great job of getting information out to those who are already interested in the sports programs.  The school, not just the athletic department, has done a very poor job of using sports to get local alums, etc, reconnected with Millsaps.  I no longer bother to argue this point with those in charge at the school, but they are wasting a golden opportunity.

Regarding the Millsaps football team, they remind me a lot of the 2006 Millsaps team except a lot deeper and more talented.  It's a team that will get better as the season progresses.  Some points along those lines:

---Chris Graves gets better with each game.  Keep in mind that the last time he was a starting quarterback was 4 years ago in high school.  It's unrealistic to think he would come in and look like a 3 year starter who was very comfortable with a veteran receiving group.
---The Millsaps defensive backs are a totally new unit.  They have given up some big plays early, just like the 2006, but they will get better.  I suspect the front 7 will continue to improve as a unit also.
---A lot of new receivers to go along with the new starter at QB.  The passing attack will get better.  What seems to be missing is the 8-10 yard completion with yards after the catch.  Give a little more time and I believe that will start clicking.
---I noticed that two freshmen started on the O-line today for the first time, two very big freshmen (Nathan Quick at LG--6'5" and 290 pounds, and Deauntay Payne at C--6'2" and 325 pounds).  If they continue to start, then that unit should improve as they get more experience.

All in all, I see Millsaps as a team that is playing well now and will be playing much better by the last couple of weeks of the season.  The defense will tighten up like it did in 2006 (it looked pretty good today), the offense will continue to get more versitile, and I think this will be a very good NCAA Tournament team if they get a bid.  There's still a lot of work to do in order to win one of those bids.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 26, 2009, 11:50:13 PM
BTW, I enjoyed meeting TigerDad and Tex today at the game.  It's always nice to meet people from the bulletin board, and not surprisingly, they always turn out to be nice people.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 27, 2009, 12:22:41 AM
Didn't notice this on my first trip through the DePauw/Sewanee boxscore today: Sewanee had 30 yards today. Thirty.

27 carries for 4 yards. 17 passes for 26 yards.  That's it.  In fact, Sewanee punted 10 times.  The number of punts that Sewanee had was exactly 1/3 of their total yardage. Just a miserable game all around.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2009, 12:27:04 AM
Nice to meet you as well Frank.  My wife said "his is bigger than yours".  I hope she was talking about camera lenses!  :)  I've got a nice photo of you stalking the sidelines I'll email to you.

I'm not sure what to say to the TU2698 person above.  Size on the TU o-line isn't a problem.  Blown assignments would be more of a problem.  Their average weight is about 275-290.  Height average for D-3.  5'11 to 6'3.  Good strength across the board as well.  We've got what can be a very good o-line but they've not been able to play 5 guys mistake free for several plays in a row much this year.  They will get there (soon I hope).  

I thought the kickers would be a big factor today and I was wrong.  TU played on their own side of the 50 most of the day.

In the battle of the kick returners, Urban ran one back.  Milsaps guy wasn't much a factor.  TU wasn't kicking to him much (and I thought that was pretty smart).  

The Trinity defense played well enough to win, the offense didn't do their part.  Keeping to 7-0 at half as huge.  Even at 14-0 late in the third, we were still in it.  

On the QB comments, I'm not much of an authority on QB play.  I do like that the TU coaches put both guys out there today.  To me it's like any other position, if you're not getting the job done, put someone else in.  Others would argue that you need continuity.  We had this issue in high school one  year.  Had multiple QB's but no real "go to" guy.  We're only 4 games in.  I'm thinking one of these guys will step up and take the job full time but it needs to happen soon.  We had several receivers open for what would have been big gains and simply could not get the ball to them.  Overthrown or underthrown.  If the o-line gives the QB 5 seconds, the ball needs to be moving out of the pocket by pass or run.  Need to make quicker decisions.  

Our RB's do really well on the west coast flair passes in the flats.  Gets them out in space and they can do what they do.  Running up the middle should have worked today given the front the Milsaps runs, but it did not.  Like I said, too many blown assignments on the line.  I've seen three games in person this year and haven't really seen much if any success running up the middle.  That's on the o-line or the blocking scheme drawn up.  I'm not sure if the RB's are taught to break it outside if the middle is clogged or if they're taught to just bust it up the gut.  So, no opinion on that.  

So, overall, a disappointment today.  I was happy to see what the defense was able to do against a very good team.  That bodes well for the rest of the season.  We just need to figure out what we do well on offense and then run the hell out of those plays.  We'll need to run the table the rest of the season to get a sniff at the playoffs.  We're only a couple of tweaks away from being able to do that.  

That being said you tip your hats to the Milsaps players & coaches and get ready for next week.  I was disappointed the Milsaps fans (some of them at least) were spitting on my son and his teammates.  Yelling of insults, well, you expect that.  But spitting really is classless.  Everyone else in Jackson, from the Milsaps staff to the folks working here at the Courtyard, have really treated my wife and I well this weekend and we look forward to coming back in 2 years.  

Thanks for coming over to meet us Frank.  You are a class act.  keep up the good work.  

P.S.  What a nice stadium set up Milsaps College has.  It seems every stadium we travel to in the SCAC puts the crappy Trinity stadium to shame.  It's really embarrassing and has to be a huge hurdle to overcome in the recruiting wars in TX.  

P.S.S  Go TIGERS! and beat the hell out of Birmingham next week!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2009, 12:35:38 AM
Here's Frank!

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http://gallery.me.com/scott_f/100455/IMG_2279/web.jpg?ver=12540260200001
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2009, 12:40:22 AM
Clouds loomed over the horizon all day, but once I pulled out my camera, not a drop of rain.  The blessing of the Tiger Cam comes thru again.
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Link for the full size shot...  http://gallery.me.com/scott_f/100462/IMG_2281/web.jpg?ver=12540263630001
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2009, 09:50:11 AM
Quote from: Tex on September 27, 2009, 12:40:22 AM
Clouds loomed over the horizon all day, but once I pulled out my camera, not a drop of rain.  The blessing of the Tiger Cam comes thru again.
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Link for the full size shot...  http://gallery.me.com/scott_f/100462/IMG_2281/web.jpg?ver=12540263630001


Tex, you may want to take credit for keeping the rain away but I think it was the umbrella monopod that I was using for the game.  Right before halftime we had a few drops of rain so I unstrapped the umbrella and within three minutes we had sun for the halftime show.

Also, I hope the Trinity fans appreciated the fly over by 4 of the Millsaps hawks during the playing of the national anthem.  Maybe by the time you return in 2 years someone will have trained them to do a low pass through the stadium from goal post to goal post.

Here's a link to some photos from last spring of the hawks.  One set from March of a hawk near the tennis courts and another set from April of a hawk, a dead squirrel (he looks dead to me), and some mockingbirds attacking the hawk as he rest on the big backstop behind centerfield of the baseball diamond:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MillsapsCollege2008-09/Special-Events-2008-09/Millsaps-Hawk-Spring-2009/7953163_tx5JK#516297250_rsnMS
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on September 27, 2009, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: Tex on September 27, 2009, 12:27:04 AM
Nice to meet you as well Frank.  My wife said "his is bigger than yours".  I hope she was talking about camera lenses!  :)  I've got a nice photo of you stalking the sidelines I'll email to you.

I'm not sure what to say to the TU2698 person above.  Size on the TU o-line isn't a problem.  Blown assignments would be more of a problem.  Their average weight is about 275-290.  Height average for D-3.  5'11 to 6'3.  Good strength across the board as well.  We've got what can be a very good o-line but they've not been able to play 5 guys mistake free for several plays in a row much this year.  They will get there (soon I hope).  

I thought the kickers would be a big factor today and I was wrong.  TU played on their own side of the 50 most of the day.

In the battle of the kick returners, Urban ran one back.  Milsaps guy wasn't much a factor.  TU wasn't kicking to him much (and I thought that was pretty smart).  

The Trinity defense played well enough to win, the offense didn't do their part.  Keeping to 7-0 at half as huge.  Even at 14-0 late in the third, we were still in it.  

On the QB comments, I'm not much of an authority on QB play.  I do like that the TU coaches put both guys out there today.  To me it's like any other position, if you're not getting the job done, put someone else in.  Others would argue that you need continuity.  We had this issue in high school one  year.  Had multiple QB's but no real "go to" guy.  We're only 4 games in.  I'm thinking one of these guys will step up and take the job full time but it needs to happen soon.  We had several receivers open for what would have been big gains and simply could not get the ball to them.  Overthrown or underthrown.  If the o-line gives the QB 5 seconds, the ball needs to be moving out of the pocket by pass or run.  Need to make quicker decisions.  

Our RB's do really well on the west coast flair passes in the flats.  Gets them out in space and they can do what they do.  Running up the middle should have worked today given the front the Milsaps runs, but it did not.  Like I said, too many blown assignments on the line.  I've seen three games in person this year and haven't really seen much if any success running up the middle.  That's on the o-line or the blocking scheme drawn up.  I'm not sure if the RB's are taught to break it outside if the middle is clogged or if they're taught to just bust it up the gut.  So, no opinion on that.  

So, overall, a disappointment today.  I was happy to see what the defense was able to do against a very good team.  That bodes well for the rest of the season.  We just need to figure out what we do well on offense and then run the hell out of those plays.  We'll need to run the table the rest of the season to get a sniff at the playoffs.  We're only a couple of tweaks away from being able to do that.  

That being said you tip your hats to the Milsaps players & coaches and get ready for next week.  I was disappointed the Milsaps fans (some of them at least) were spitting on my son and his teammates.  Yelling of insults, well, you expect that.  But spitting really is classless.  Everyone else in Jackson, from the Milsaps staff to the folks working here at the Courtyard, have really treated my wife and I well this weekend and we look forward to coming back in 2 years.  

Thanks for coming over to meet us Frank.  You are a class act.  keep up the good work.  

P.S.  What a nice stadium set up Milsaps College has.  It seems every stadium we travel to in the SCAC puts the crappy Trinity stadium to shame.  It's really embarrassing and has to be a huge hurdle to overcome in the recruiting wars in TX.  

P.S.S  Go TIGERS! and beat the hell out of Birmingham next week!

Tex,
Im really sorry to hear about the actions of some of the Millsaps fans. What I wouldnt give to know who they were. I am completely floored by the knowledge that anyone at Millsaps would do such a thing and its sad to hear of such juveniles> While I wasnt at the game, Had I been, I would have seen to it that those in question would have been brought out in the open! Good luck the remainder of the year.
GO MAJORS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on September 27, 2009, 11:06:24 AM
Didn't follow game, but another nice win for Centre. Sounds like they had to hang on again down the stretch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on September 27, 2009, 12:33:25 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on September 27, 2009, 11:06:24 AM
Didn't follow game, but another nice win for Centre. Sounds like they had to hang on again down the stretch.


This game has been a dog fight the last 3 years. Another tough loss for the Roo's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2009, 12:43:06 PM
Since MajorDad made his comment, I guess I'll comment on what Tex said about the fans spitting.  Anything is possible at all SCAC schools when it comes to fan conduct--I've been on the road and seen negative things at most schools and I've seen poor behavior from visiting fans.  I'm sure Millsaps fans have at times shown poor behavior on the road.

At the game yesterday, there were two groups of Millsaps fans who were somewhat close to the Trinity players.  There were the fans in the end zone who are behind a fence that is 8-10 yards from the back of the end zone.  It hardly seems possible that they were guilty of anything even during warmups.  It also seems unlikely that they would do anything with only a 4 foot chain link fence as protection.

The other group was some former Millsaps football players in the stands behind the Trinity bench.  They were mostly up several rows which makes it much easier to see.  I never saw them at the rail looking over at the Trinity players.  I did hear this group cheering for the Millsaps successes and Trinity failures in a way that I don't consider great sportsmanship but no different than what I've heard at each school and what you would hear at a pro sporting event.  

Did they spit on the Trinity players?  There's no way I can say yes or no with complete certainty.  I will say that knowing where they were sitting and knowing some of the players in the group, I would be far more likely to believe that instead of spit the Trinity players were hit by those one or two big drops of rain that fell here and there throughout the game.  The rain drops that make me think about putting up the umbrella but then it turned out to only be a drop or two.  

If I had a bunch of ex-Millsaps players behind me making comments and suddenly something liquid hit me in the back of the head, I might honestly think someone had spit on me.  On the other hand, if I was a Trinity player in front of the Trinity fan section, that same liquid might have been assumed to be a raindrop given the weather conditions of the day.

It's not a point I want to argue, just a very good possibility that I wanted to bring up.  And now I have 15 minutes before the start of a soccer game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2009, 02:35:34 PM
I was just reporting what I was told on the spitting thing.  I'll leave it at that.  I probably should have not even brought it up.  I had no way of seeing it myself.  I"m sure it was just a couple of guys or maybe just one.  The persons telling me this really had no reason to tell me a falsehood.  So, I'll leave it at that.  I'm sure it happens all over at times.  It's always a bad apple spoiling the bushel type thing.  I'll reiterate how nicely I personally was treated in Jackson.  I had breakfast on Saturday morning talking to a Millsaps soccer dad that was in town.  It was a great conversation.  Jackson is a very friendly town and I really look forward to visiting again some time.  Hopefully we bring home a W next time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
In reference to the comments about a lack of fans at the TU-MC game, there was a huge game going on as well, LSU-Miss State.  I dare say it was the "prime time" game in the area this weekend.

Since I have not been to Millsaps before, I cannot compare to previous years. I thought it was a good crowd for a D-3 game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 27, 2009, 06:21:19 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 27, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
In reference to the comments about a lack of fans at the TU-MC game, there was a huge game going on as well, LSU-Miss State.  I dare say it was the "prime time" game in the area this weekend.

Since I have not been to Millsaps before, I cannot compare to previous years. I thought it was a good crowd for a D-3 game.

I made that statement about the State/LSU game the Monday before kickoff as well. But combine that, and the fact this game was moved up 5 weeks due to the SCAC shuffling the schedule, it was bound to be a small crowd. The later the game in the year, the better. That was the first time since 1995 that the Millsaps/TU game wasn't the last OR second to last game of the SCAC season. I personally hated it being this early and wish it would be moved back, but then we'll hear complaints on how Millsaps had two weeks to prepare for Trinity.... again. :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2009, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 26, 2009, 11:39:59 PM
---Millsaps unranked, Trinity barely in the top-20.

And not in ours at all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 27, 2009, 07:12:19 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on September 27, 2009, 06:21:19 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 27, 2009, 02:39:39 PM
In reference to the comments about a lack of fans at the TU-MC game, there was a huge game going on as well, LSU-Miss State.  I dare say it was the "prime time" game in the area this weekend.

Since I have not been to Millsaps before, I cannot compare to previous years. I thought it was a good crowd for a D-3 game.

I made that statement about the State/LSU game the Monday before kickoff as well. But combine that, and the fact this game was moved up 5 weeks due to the SCAC shuffling the schedule, it was bound to be a small crowd. The later the game in the year, the better. That was the first time since 1995 that the Millsaps/TU game wasn't the last OR second to last game of the SCAC season. I personally hated it being this early and wish it would be moved back, but then we'll hear complaints on how Millsaps had two weeks to prepare for Trinity.... again. :P

After 24 hours to think about it all, and keeping in mind it's only a game (the greatest game in the world I might add), although the TU defense kept it very close, Millsaps was the better team yesterday. 

There's a lot of "shouldve's and couldve's and wouldve's" out there, but that doesn't change the outcome for TU.  Time to regroup, fix the problems exposed and shoot for a string of W's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 27, 2009, 09:20:14 PM
Well, Gang...Looks like my Millsaps v. Trinity score prediction was waayyy off; at least I picked the winner!!

Here are some random thoughts:

1) Kevin Peters with 3 interceptions!! This kid brings it!
2) Lee Klein's knee injury is a reminder of just how fragile we humans are.
3) The Majors giving the game dedication to the Coach and Polly after the game is a sign of a 'class' team.
4) I got to meet Frank and his camera is certainly bigger than mine!
5) Shocked that TU had so little offense; I really thought theys would put up more yards and points.
6) Penalties.  'nuf said.
7) Graves may seem a bit tentative at times, but he isn't afraid to put his head down and pick up the yards.  I agree that he is still learning how to lead this team and has some pretty big shoes to fill.
8) The beer and tailgate thing is a matter of rules, impressions and priorities.  I know this is a challenge at other schools, too.  Unfortunately, there is no solution that will work for all.
9) Getting such a whipping by MC will be a determining factor come bid time.

More later...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 27, 2009, 09:34:53 PM
My point number 8 should be an 8, not a smiley face (sorry for typo)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 27, 2009, 10:59:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2009, 06:58:41 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 26, 2009, 11:39:59 PM
---Millsaps unranked, Trinity barely in the top-20.

And not in ours at all.

That's correct and I think most of us here consider the D3 poll the more accurate poll.  With both teams being unranked, it might explain why the game wasn't even mentioned in the D3 coverage of Saturday games--quite a change from the coverage received nationwide two years ago thanks to the very unusual ending to the 2007 Trinity-Millsaps contest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2009, 11:39:39 PM
Suppose so -- I definitely looked at it a couple of times but we mentioned about a dozen non-Top 25 games and it was already really, really long.

Every time I think about us moving to a design like one of the pro sports leagues, where you have a handful of rotating top stories, I think about a game day and wonder how we would be able to match that kind of coverage in that format.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on September 27, 2009, 11:56:28 PM
"although the TU defense kept it very close..."
"The Trinity defense played well enough to win, the offense didn't do their part."

Tex
With great respect for the tradition at TU, I'm not understanding your perception that the D played well enough to win by giving up >500 total yards? There are real problems at TU with a 2-3 SCAC conference record in their last 5 games. Millsaps had a very balanced attack and had 3 TDs nullified by holding penalties so it could have been worse on the sboard.

I think there are issues with both teams as they move forward through the SCAC schedule. I think even though the score was 7-0 at half it never seemed that the TU offense would get it on track. I'm not sold that the Millsaps D was that good yesterday. I hope they are. I think there are real tests ahead for this D.

D3 gets it right lots more often than not in the rankings.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 28, 2009, 06:51:38 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2009, 11:39:39 PM
Suppose so -- I definitely looked at it a couple of times but we mentioned about a dozen non-Top 25 games and it was already really, really long.

Every time I think about us moving to a design like one of the pro sports leagues, where you have a handful of rotating top stories, I think about a game day and wonder how we would be able to match that kind of coverage in that format.

Wanted to clarify my post about the Millsaps-Trinity game not making the D3 coverage.  That was made in the context of the current topic about why there seemed to be less of a big game atmosphere at the game this year.  If this game is played later in the year with an SCAC Championship and NCAA Tournament bid on the line for one or both teams, or when one or both teams had played well enough to work their way into the D3 rankings, then it would have the feel of a much bigger game to the fans.  I guarantee that it doesn't matter if it is the 1st, 4th, or last game on the schedule, the Millsaps-Trinity game is always big to the players.

Taken by itself, I could see where my comment might have sounded like a complaint that the Millsaps-Trinity game wasn't covered in the Saturday story and that was not my intention.  Pat, you and your staff do a remarkable job and a tremendous service with this website.  Plus, you can be sure that if I have any sort of "suggestion" (aka "complaint"), I will send it along in a private message or email, not address it in a post on the message board.

And now that we've had 24 hours to enjoy Saturday's win, I'm starting to think about DePauw.  As far as the SCAC goes, this next game is the biggest game of the year for DePauw since they no longer have any margin for error.  They have to beat Millsaps if they want to have any real hope of winning the SCAC and going to the NCAA Tournament, so I expect them to bring the absolute best they have to offer.  With Millsaps having just gotten so high to play the Trinity game and now having a short week because of  travel (and a short roster because of SCAC rules), I won't be surprised if a lot of people pick DePauw to win this game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 28, 2009, 10:03:30 AM
Well, let me backtrack with one more thing about Saturday's game.  There was a long article about the game in the local paper Sunday and it talks about Coach DuBose and the team dealing with preparing for a big game while Coach DuBose is dealing with his wife's health issues:

http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20090927/SPORTS030105/909270355/1085/Majors-rally-around-DuBose

The newspaper also has a photo gallery with 33 photos from the game at this rather lengthy link:

http://www.clarionledger.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=D0&Dato=20090926&Kategori=SPORTS&Lopenr=909260817&Ref=PH&Profile=1085&SectionCat=Majors-rally-around-DuBose&GID=o+Pfz7g6A+WhWgqYZrkLsLB84V/1USFIwjoDT2z8G6E%3D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 28, 2009, 11:47:32 AM
Frankly Frank (har!), DePauw has to play a lot better than they have the last two weeks if they're going to have a chance on Saturday.

They played so badly against Centre that I cringe to think what the outcome might be if they give a similar effort on Saturday.  Yeah, the conditions against Sewanee were just downright miserable, and Michael Engle played OK considering, but I think DePauw needs Spud and they need the pass defense to be there or it's going to be ugly.

DePauw has to control the football.  They've been good defending third downs.  They've been good against the run.  They just have to limit the big plays and stupid mistakes.  INT returned for 75 yards for a TD against Centre.  Had a personal foul on a FG attempt that eventually led to a Centre score.  Gave up too many plays over 30 yards.  They're good enough.  They're talented enough.  Just need to use our heads a little bit here.  Robby Long is a HUGE stickler for details, and I'm so surpised that his team is making these kinds of mistakes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 28, 2009, 12:08:43 PM
Nice photos from the paper.  thanks for posting the link.  That photo number # 3 is great...nothing like double-facemasking!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on September 28, 2009, 01:03:18 PM
Wes, Agree on all fronts.  Even the game this past Saturday (I was there soaking in the monsoon) wasn't a great effort offensively.  Defensively, they did fine, but Sewanee never threatened and were not going to threaten.  But, offensively, most times the ball was handed off, there was someone in their backfield that Ellis or Karaszia (sp?) had to avoid.  When they could plant their foot and hit the hole, the RBs usually gained 5 plus yards.  DePauw needs a Monon Bell type effort.  Seems Millsaps has good athletes defensively.  Offensively, they are more balanced than they were the past couple years.  It will be a stern test.  If DePauw goes out there like the last 2 games, it will be a long day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 28, 2009, 05:07:51 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on September 28, 2009, 06:51:38 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 27, 2009, 11:39:39 PM
Suppose so -- I definitely looked at it a couple of times but we mentioned about a dozen non-Top 25 games and it was already really, really long.

Every time I think about us moving to a design like one of the pro sports leagues, where you have a handful of rotating top stories, I think about a game day and wonder how we would be able to match that kind of coverage in that format.

Wanted to clarify my post about the Millsaps-Trinity game not making the D3 coverage.  That was made in the context of the current topic about why there seemed to be less of a big game atmosphere at the game this year.  If this game is played later in the year with an SCAC Championship and NCAA Tournament bid on the line for one or both teams, or when one or both teams had played well enough to work their way into the D3 rankings, then it would have the feel of a much bigger game to the fans.  I guarantee that it doesn't matter if it is the 1st, 4th, or last game on the schedule, the Millsaps-Trinity game is always big to the players.

Taken by itself, I could see where my comment might have sounded like a complaint that the Millsaps-Trinity game wasn't covered in the Saturday story and that was not my intention.  Pat, you and your staff do a remarkable job and a tremendous service with this website.  Plus, you can be sure that if I have any sort of "suggestion" (aka "complaint"), I will send it along in a private message or email, not address it in a post on the message board.

And now that we've had 24 hours to enjoy Saturday's win, I'm starting to think about DePauw.  As far as the SCAC goes, this next game is the biggest game of the year for DePauw since they no longer have any margin for error.  They have to beat Millsaps if they want to have any real hope of winning the SCAC and going to the NCAA Tournament, so I expect them to bring the absolute best they have to offer.  With Millsaps having just gotten so high to play the Trinity game and now having a short week because of  travel (and a short roster because of SCAC rules), I won't be surprised if a lot of people pick DePauw to win this game.

That's alright -- I didn't take it as a complaint, I was just letting you know I had thought about it so the game was definitely on my mind.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 28, 2009, 05:20:05 PM
Wes and Fripp---
Agree with both your takes...bottom line is the Tigers will need a total team effort on both sides of the ball and special teams to win Saturday against another good Millsaps team. Wes, you are so right about Coach Long and attention to details---one of the reasons the Centre game was frustrating. Although I think we're seeing that Centre has a good ball club and played perhaps a perfect first half in Greencastle. In any event, this Saturday will be a real test.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 28, 2009, 06:16:39 PM
OK, now that a couple days have gone by and I've had a chance to voice my opinions (not on this board ... to my wife and the bathroom mirror!) ... I've got a few comments to make about our trip to Jackson last weekend.

First of all, I agree with most of what was written earlier by the TU and Millsaps posters, including Tex, frank, tu2698 and others.  Trinity was dominated by Millsaps and the score could have been much worse.  Anyone who takes a look at the game stats will be surprised at the close score. Trinity D held Millsaps to "only" 14 points in the first three quarters despite overwhelming deficit in offensive yards, time of possession, first downs, field position ... the list goes on ad nauseum.  We were shocked that TU was actually still in the game at the beginning of the fourth quarter.  If our "O" could have put in a TD or two it would have been a game.  Urban's KOR was terrific, but that was the lone bright spot of the day.

Millsaps D had answers for everything Trinity tried on offense ... beginning with stuffing the run game and option plays.  The Majors O-Line was unreasonably HUGE and wore down the Trinity D-Line until they had little left to give in the fourth quarter.

Congrats to millsaps mom ... your son punted GREAT ... two kicks downed inside the 5 were deadly to Trinity's ability to gain any sort of field position advantage.  Trinity's punter averaged more yards, but that was due to TU's horrible field position throughout the game.

My sincere prayers go out to OLB Klein and his family ... terrible to see anyone get hurt, but a season-ending knee surgery is a heart-breaker and believe me, we understand how you feel.  Here's wishing him a speedy and complete recovery.  Everything that happens has a purpose and we hope you'll see yours in this someday soon.

I will say this and then I'm done ... Millsaps is good, but they may struggle with DePauw and Centre this year.  Of course (no offense to my Majors friends), we'll be cheering for the Indiana Tigers this week ... so that we have a chance to knock DPU off the top of the heap in October.  That said, Trinity's offense has to improve several hundred percent to run the SCAC and have a shot at the title.  If not, it will be a long year in San Antonio.  I felt bad for the Black Flag ... they played their hearts out but got no support.  Kind of like a baseball pitcher throwing a one-hitter and getting beat 1-0.  C'mon Tigers ... step it up.

Finally, a special shout to frank for taking a minute to visit us on the visitors' side ... as Tex wrote earlier, you are a CLASS ACT and we enjoyed meeting you in person.  We enjoy your work and comments in tireless support of the Majors and their fans.  Every D3 school needs a guy like Frank Ezelle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 28, 2009, 06:32:07 PM
Tiger Dad, all very well said.  I wouldn't be surprised if the lackluster Trinity performance was a 'fluke', and I'm sure it was a wake up call for the players.  They're not used to being in this position.  It's a scary thing to walk the tightrope between a 9-1 and 5-5 season, but that's a possibility for ANY of these top SCAC teams :o!

And you're absolutely right about Frank Ezelle.  Those pictures on the Clarion Ledger web site are awesome, and I agree - the two-handed facemask penalty is almost as good as the guy with his helmet turned backwards!

One more thing about Frank - he's been giving this kind of support for a LONG TIME!  You won't find that kind of dedication from many people in many places.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on September 28, 2009, 06:56:49 PM
From a Roo's dad standpoint, while there is certainly no shame in losing to the Millsaps Majors and the Centre Colonels, there is great disappointment. The team has gotten so much better, yet again starts conference with an 0-2 record. So those of you with wins on the board - take heart. Our boys have played as hard as the rest, but...

Hats off to Centre College for the improvements made to their facilities. It came into play big time this weekend. Without them the game Saturday would have been played in some serious daytime rain on a rather poor natural turf {if my memory from 2 years ago is correct}. But because of the lights and the artificial turf the game could be played at night when the rain had stopped and the weather and the field were a non-factor.

Friends this game came down to the final play. Down by 7 a "hail Mary" landed in the end zone just beyond the deepest AC receiver as time ran out. But just like last week - close means we didn't win the game. Very impressed by the Centre team but I feel bad for the Roos. Oh well.

My take on the Colonels just based on this weekends game: Centre is a very spirited group that plays like a unit on both the "O" and "D". A very talented offense executed a balanced attack {39 runs, 38 passes} to near perfection. Their "glitch" Saturday was turnovers. Pinque and Osterman are good football players! The defense held AC to 5 "3 and out" possesions. That was a key to the game. They were disciplined in their approach to our running game, preventing Hasten and Braly from ever getting untracked.

I can picture them going undefeated. Eliminate T/O's and make the field goals and they will be very very hard to beat.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 28, 2009, 07:40:00 PM
Too many nice words about this Frank guy--but it is all appreciated.  Regarding the photos on the Clarion-Ledger site, those were all taken by Vicki King of the Clarion-Ledger.  I have admired her work for quite some time and always feel like I learn something by looking at her photos of an event that I'm also covering.

As for the Trinity offense, they were hampered all day by starting field position and I see that Millsaps punter William Lawrimore was named SCAC Special Teams POTW for keeping Trinity pinned back all day.  It is really hard for a team to get any continuity going when they start so deep, so often.  Especially when going with 2 QBs.  And when you do have to drive 90+ yards, there are a lot of chances for a defense to make a play such as the 3 interceptions made by Kevin Peters, this week's SCAC Defensive POTW.

Also regarding the Trinity offense, let's keep in mind that this was Trinity's 4th straight road game.  It's hard for me to believe that Trinity was at their absolute best after being on the road all of September.  I'm not taking anything away from Millsaps, or making excuses for Trinity, just pointing out the reality of the schedule.  Trinity is at home for the next three weeks (BSC, bye week, Sewanee) before going to Greencastle on October 24 and I suspect they will get a lot of things ironed out before meeting DePauw.

Regarding the Millsaps O-line, it's nice when guys like senior John Shivers (6'2, 275) and junior Adam Williams (6'4", 255) are the smaller guys on the line.  Against Trinity the other 3 spots were filled by sophomore Oliver Galicki (6'3", 310) and freshmen Deauntay Payne (6'2", 325) and Nathan Quick (6'5", 290).  I don't know if all of those roster heights and weights are 100% accurate, but it's a big wall of beef for sure.  Size like that on the O-line is one of the ingredients Millsaps needs to compete at the highest level.

Millsaps is going to get better.  I believe this team will be just as good as the Millsaps team of 2008 by the time they play their final regular season game against Birmingham Southern.  I suspect the team believes they will be better than the 2008 team by that time--that's certainly what they are shooting for every day in practice.  The big question is whether this team is good enough right now to go on the road to Greencastle and come home with a victory.  With DePauw having their backs to the wall, Millsaps will have to play very well to get the win.  It should be very interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 28, 2009, 07:53:21 PM
Before going on to other activities this evening, like working on photos, may I highly recommend that you read Keith McMillan's recent article "Courage Bowl About More Than Football".  You'll be glad you took a few minutes to read this story:

Link:  http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2009-09-24/Courage+Bowl+about+more+than+football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 28, 2009, 08:10:06 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: D3 Poll for Week 4)


I can't begin to count the number of times that I've been thru this "gut-it-out routine" with the Trinity Tigers (since 1963); however, there are already 7 teams in the top 25 with one or more losses. Believe me this is NOT towel throwing time. The Tigers don't have a Burton or a Hampton (and haven't for a while), but one of these current QB's will pick up this team and carry it on his back. Those are just the kind of young men that Trinity ALWAYS will have.  Go Tigers Go, 9-1.

                                                                             :)



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 28, 2009, 08:29:46 PM
Quote from: LA Major on September 27, 2009, 11:56:28 PM
"although the TU defense kept it very close..."
"The Trinity defense played well enough to win, the offense didn't do their part."

Tex
With great respect for the tradition at TU, I'm not understanding your perception that the D played well enough to win by giving up >500 total yards? There are real problems at TU with a 2-3 SCAC conference record in their last 5 games. Millsaps had a very balanced attack and had 3 TDs nullified by holding penalties so it could have been worse on the sboard.

I think there are issues with both teams as they move forward through the SCAC schedule. I think even though the score was 7-0 at half it never seemed that the TU offense would get it on track. I'm not sold that the Millsaps D was that good yesterday. I hope they are. I think there are real tests ahead for this D.

D3 gets it right lots more often than not in the rankings.

Well, no matter how you cut it, the score was close thru 3 Q's.  

On those TD's called back, the holds were called at the point of attack and had their not been in holding, likely not a touchdown either.  Just my two cents, zoomed in with my telephoto on this stuff the entire game.  

My point was our D bent but did not break for three quarters.  7-0 at the half was a huge deal to me the way our Offense wasn't cutting it.  If our offense does its part, TU is in that game and positioned to win it.  

Heck, if my defense can keep the other team to 14 points in three quarters, I expect to win that game.  THe TU D was on the field all day and finally wore down in the 4th.  

I agree, Millsaps definitely put up lots of yards.  Kudos to them, they won the day.  I won't try and belittle their win.  It was their day.  Enjoy it guys.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 28, 2009, 08:37:05 PM
Quote from: etg on September 28, 2009, 08:10:06 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: D3 Poll for Week 4)


I can't begin to count the number of times that I've been thru this "gut-it-out routine" with the Trinity Tigers (since 1963); however, there are already 7 teams in the top 25 with one or more losses. Believe me this is NOT towel throwing time. The Tigers don't have a Burton or a Hampton (and haven't for a while), but one of these current QB's will pick up this team and carry it on his back. Those are just the kind of young men that Trinity ALWAYS will have.  Go Tigers Go, 9-1.

                                                                             :)





Damn Earl, thanks for the shot of kool-aid!  I needed it.  I've not been following the Tigers for more than 3 years, but I have a lot of faith in them.  9-1, let's do it.

Honestly guys, I really love this message board during football season.  Good opinions and insights and all manage to keep it respectful.  I appreciate that tremendously!  And all of you as well. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on September 29, 2009, 08:22:37 AM
 ;D

Tigerdad, thanks for the compliments about my son.  I also thought he did great, but being the humble child he is, he didn't think so.  This game is the first I have seen in his career that someone called for a fair catch. That shows me that he's getting the hang time needed for coverage.

And son, since you are reading this, we (me and Major Dad), are very proud of you for everything you do, on and off the field.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 29, 2009, 02:43:47 PM
Quote from: Tex on September 28, 2009, 08:37:05 PM
Honestly guys, I really love this message board during football season.

I'd suggest a group hug, but my arms are not near long enough to hug you, Tex ... much less all the others here who share our D3 & SCAC appreciation.  Pat, you in?
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 29, 2009, 03:48:43 PM
I'm going to pass on that group hug even though I very much appreciate the message board year round.

Regarding DePauw University, I'm under the impression that there is absolutely, positively no way that any game on the football schedule can be bigger than the Monon Bell game against Wabash at the end of the season.  So while this week's game with Millsaps might not be the biggest game of the year for DePauw, it has to be awfully close.

DePauw came into this season viewed by many as the favorite to win the SCAC.  Trinity and Millsaps had graduated talented QBs, DePauw had a record breaking QB returning for his senior year.  Likewise, Trinity and Millsaps lost a lot of other starters to graduation while DePauw returned just about everyone.  Furthermore, DePauw had home field advantage over the 3 teams seen as the top contenders for the title.  The year was set up perfect for a SCAC Championship and a spot in the NCAA Playoffs.

Now those dreams will vanish if DePauw loses against Millsaps this weekend.  A season with such promise could become a disappointment only halfway through the schedule.

That's the reality staring the DePauw team in the face.  Giving the situation, and considering that they will have a Homecoming crowd for support, I suspect the DePauw players will give the type of monumental effort that they showed at the end of 2008 when they beat #3 Wabash on the road by a score of 36-14, a game where DePauw held a 30-0 lead midway through the 3rd quarter.

While I personally have faith that Millsaps can go on the road and get this victory, something tells me that it will take the absolute best effort of the season for Millsaps to get this win.  They can't start slow and play from behind like what happened at Austin, and they can't let up if they are fortunate enough to build a decent lead.  This game is going to be a battle, well worth watching if you are a football fan.  I sure hope the internet service is such that the Millsaps crew can do both video and audio this week--I definitely will be tuned in from start to finish.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 29, 2009, 04:29:08 PM
That's the thing, though.  We've all been waiting to get a Monon-esque effort from this football team in a game that isn't Monon.  We could have used the type of effort we got in the '07 Bell game the next year at Trinity or at Millsaps.  Instead, they gave Trinity 486 yards and 45 points.  They also gave Millsaps 590 yards and 55 points.

Heck, even though DePauw didn't win the 2006 Bell game they gave a pretty good effort.  Could have used that the next year against Trinity & Millsaps.  Instead, DePauw turned it over 4 times and lost at Trinity.  They gave Juan Joseph 475 passing yards and 5 TD's in Greencastle.  Could have used the effort from the '04 Bell game in '05 against Wesley.  Didn't get it.  That's a different coaching staff, but you get the point.  That effort just hasn't transferred to conference games.  We'll see where we are on Saturday.  The offensive effort the last two weeks is causing me to do a little hand-wringing - I know that much.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 30, 2009, 09:39:37 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 29, 2009, 04:29:08 PM
That's the thing, though.  We've all been waiting to get a Monon-esque effort from this football team in a game that isn't Monon.  We could have used the type of effort we got in the '07 Bell game the next year at Trinity or at Millsaps.  Instead, they gave Trinity 486 yards and 45 points.  They also gave Millsaps 590 yards and 55 points.

Heck, even though DePauw didn't win the 2006 Bell game they gave a pretty good effort.  Could have used that the next year against Trinity & Millsaps.  Instead, DePauw turned it over 4 times and lost at Trinity.  They gave Juan Joseph 475 passing yards and 5 TD's in Greencastle.  Could have used the effort from the '04 Bell game in '05 against Wesley.  Didn't get it.  That's a different coaching staff, but you get the point.  That effort just hasn't transferred to conference games.  We'll see where we are on Saturday.  The offensive effort the last two weeks is causing me to do a little hand-wringing - I know that much.

Wes, there is something about a rivalry game at the end of the season that is impossible to replicate in any other game.  Around here it is Ole Miss vs. MS State, Alabama vs. Auburn, Georgia vs Georgia Tech, etc.  Not a lot of D3 schools have such a rivalry like the one between DePauw and Wabash.  I wonder if having such a big game at the end of the schedule does actually make it more difficult to give it your best throughout the season.  For example, with Millsaps it is a case of win the SCAC or else.  With DePauw, if they don't win the SCAC then there's always the Monon Bell game as a second opportunity for a successful campaign.

That being said, I still think DePauw will play very well this Saturday.  The Sewanee game in a mud bowl isn't much of an indicator about the Tigers, especially if the DePauw players were licking their wounds from the Centre game and looking ahead to the Millsaps game.  Things can change a lot from week to week in this league.  The results of the Millsaps at Austin and Trinity at Rhodes games certainly weren't a good forecast for how Millsaps and Trinity would match up the following week. 

Maybe I should add that I also expect Millsaps to play very well this week.  Start with the simple fact that this game is very important to Millsaps.  Win it and they control their NCAA Playoffs destiny.  Lose this game and you open the door for a 3-way tie between DePauw, Centre and Millsaps and who knows how that tiebreaker would work.  Add in the emotional factor of wanting to win as a way of supporting Coach DuBose and his wife Polly as they deal with her medical issues.  Then throw in the emotional factor of team co-captain Lee Klein being lost with a knee injury on the first play of the Trinity game. 

It's going to be two outstanding teams with each giving an outstanding effort.  It's going to be a big crowd thanks to this being Old Gold Weekend.  It's going to be a great place to be for small college football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 30, 2009, 11:06:09 AM
Thought for sure that Kevin Peters would be on the TOW especially after his mention in the Statistical Spotlight article earlier this week.  I guess you could chalk that one up to "too many players from one team in a row" thinking ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 30, 2009, 11:35:20 AM
I also want to give a shout out regarding the play of #11 Tevin Goggins.  I had him credited in my mind with three pass breakups instead of the two that are reflected in the stats.  I'm not sure he got credit for what I called the "Immaculate Deflection" resulting in one of Kevin Peters' interceptions.
Maybe Kevin Maloney can help us out there ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 30, 2009, 11:42:26 AM
Kevin had a great week as did the 4 DBs who made the most recent team of the week.  I'm sure there were other DBs who had great games last Saturday as well.  

But all this was covered about so many great players and so few slots last year in regards to Juan Joseph not being picked on a particular week.  That's a string of posts that we don't need to repeat in 2009.

Team of the week link:  http://www.d3football.com/tow/09/week4.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on September 30, 2009, 11:52:04 AM
Ha!  Or maybe I'm just getting greedy ...  :-\

Any thoughts on Goggins?  I note that this was his second game appearance.  Maybe we're seeing some depth developing in that defensive backfield.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on September 30, 2009, 10:01:26 PM
I totally agree on the Kevin Peters shaft. To reply to Major Rev, Goggins and Kenny Reeves are basically competing/splitting time at the cornerback spot. Tevin was an unbelievable athlete in high school, as are tons of players, having played three different sports. I think he'll be a gamebreaker come his junior and senior campaign. He's also got some good hops as we saw last week vs Trinity. I'm really looking forward to the DePauw game and will be watching online this weekend.

Well, here goes this weekend's predictions.

Millsaps at DePauw (Millsaps 26, DePauw 13) http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College

Sewanee at Centre (Centre 41, Sewanee 16) http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/livestats/football/xlive.htm

Birmingham-Southern at Trinity (BSC 30, Trinity 24) http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/livestats/xlive.htm

Rhodes at Wash. U (Wash. U 17, Rhodes 16)  http://www.stretchinternet.com/wustlvideo.html

Tecnologico de Monterrey at Austin College (TDM 31, Austin 30) http://baseball.austincollege.edu/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 30, 2009, 10:43:41 PM
I've been editing football photos which gives me plenty of time to think.  Hopefully I can pull an all-nighter and finish the Trinity game photos, but right now I need a break so the extra strength Excedrin can kill the pain in my shoulder.  Here are some randon thoughts:

---I heard back from the Millsaps SI Dept. on the pass breakups for Tevin Goggins.  Yes, it should have be three instead of two.  I believe the one that was missed was on a Kevin Peters interception and the question was whether a pass breakup and interception can both be credited on the same play.  Apparently they can.

---Said it before and I'll say it again.  This 2009 Millsaps team is so much like the 2006 Millsaps team.  They will improve a lot between game 1 and game 10 of the season.  Something tells me the passing game is going to improve a good bit even though they are already averaging 250 ypg and have 6 receivers with a reception of 40 yards or longer (a figure that matches the 40+ yard receivers in 2008).

---It's a shame that Birmingham Southern, Centre, Rhodes and Sewanee don't have anyone posting to the message board.  The players and coaches at those schools deserve the support.  For example, someone from Centre should be here posting congratulations to Centre running back Jonathan Pinque for making the D3Football Team of the Week.

---While there hasn't been a lot of talk about Millsaps at DePauw, there's been nothing mentioned about the other 4 games (except for the post that was written while I was writing this):

1) Sewanee at Centre--Winless Sewanee on the road at undefeated Centre.  This has the potential to be uglier than last weekend's weather at Sewanee.

2) Birmingham Southern at Trinity--It may be a non-conference game, but this is a big, big game.  Trinity started out with 4 road games, winning squeakers at McMurry and Texas Lutheran, winning by 21 at Rhodes, and then losing at Millsaps.  BSC is 2-1 including a home win by 34 over Rhodes.  If you were setting the line on this game in Vegas, who would you pick to win and by how much?  It's an interesting question--this is a big game for both schools.

3)  Rhodes at Washington--The good news is that Washington lost their last game by a 46-0 score to Whittenburg, a good team that received a handful of votes in the latest D3 poll.  The bad news is that Rhodes at 2-2 still has DePauw, Centre, Millsaps, and Austin to play.  It seems like Rhodes needs to win Saturday to keep alive any hopes for a .500 season.

4)  Tecnologico de Monterrey (Mex.) at Austin--I tried to do a search on this school's football team and all I got were Monterrey soccer stories.  So when in doubt regarding a Mexico vs. America matchup, pick the Mexicans if it is "Futbol" and pick the Americans if it is "Football".  Austin needs a win after the last two "close but no cigar" games.

---Well, I'm starting to think that the all-nighter working on photos is a bad idea.  The combination of tomorrow being a work day and me being an old-timer makes staying up all night a rather foolish, and probably impossible idea.  They will get done eventually, as will the JV photos that are halfway finished.  Somehow, someway, it all gets done eventually.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 01, 2009, 09:55:17 AM
My prediction for the Millsaps v. DePauw contest.........M-17, D-10

Agreeing with Frank, wish there were some posters and 'champions' of some other schools on the boards, but I know there are plenty more readers than posters.  These D3 boards are well-done and moderated with an even hand, but I must admit that when I have visited a couple other Conferences' message boards. there was alot less talk on X's and O's and players.

Thanks to all who post here and provide such insight! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 01, 2009, 10:37:07 AM
This week's SCAC 360 show:

http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/scac_360/week3 (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/scac_360/week3)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 01, 2009, 10:40:31 AM
Im jumping in, too, since 'the water's fine' for it ...

I too predict Millsaps to win by two touchdowns.  Statistically, Depauw looks better on paper until you look at where their statistics come from - a win over a bottom of the pile team in a no name conference, a loss to a credible team, and a slop bowl in which nobody could gain yards or score points.  Add to that the loss of QB Spud Dick and it starts to get ugly.  May even be more than two touchdowns.

I also predict this will be BSC's coming out game.  After what Millsaps, particularly Bowser,  did to Trinity offensively, I see BSC's Arrington and Langston taking it out on the Trinity defense.  Though this could come down to special teams.

INS Major, I'm not sure Sewanee can muster that many points, but if the score differential is not at least what you predict, Centre may be a pretender.

Wash U has lost its mojo; Rhodes has a good chance.

I think the Austin Roos pull this one out.

I totally agree about who's missing from the D3 boards.  Think I'll email a couple of SIDs to see what we can stir up.  Nothing like a little locker room bulletin board material to stir the pot!

Hope you got some sleep, Frank.  We truly appreciate what you do!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 01, 2009, 11:47:31 AM
I think we don't hear as much from Sewanee, Rhodes, BSC, etc. because of the recent history of those programs.  We could soon see more from BSC and Austin has a very nice following already.  When I started following the board some 7-8 years ago I could count on one hand the number of Millsaps posters.  Things have changed quite a bit since that time, but so has the program at Millsaps.  Of course Trinity has always been well represented as has Depauw.  In fact, 6-8 years ago, it was 90% Trinity posters.  Of course this is not fact, but just what I believe to be the reason behind who posts on this board often.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2009, 11:58:23 AM
Nothing like success to encourage fans to post, and there is no doubt the Trinity presence which once dominated the board has declined as Millsaps has ascended to the top of the conference standings.  We see the same behavior on the ASC board where posters from teams that once challenged (like ETBU and HPU) have virtually disappeared along with their team's performance. 

I am going to take the contrary view on BSC-Trinity, because if it's one thing I've seen over the years, it's that TU plays a whole lot better at home than they do on the road.   Since it's still grass and B-SC plays on turf, that could also factor into the equation.  Forecast is for rain starting Friday so it could get messy.   Last week notwithstanding, Trinity's run defense has been solid [allowing 70 ypg] though they will get a strong challenge from the Panthers. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 01, 2009, 12:42:47 PM
Admittedly, there's nothing like success to bring out the fans at all levels of sports.  Some of it might be jumping on the bandwagon and some might be the old saying "if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all".  

On the other hand, which team needs support the most?  Is it the team that has already found success or the one who is trying to build a program?  I've been involved on the basketball message board much longer than any of the other sports.  I've followed two Millsaps teams as they made it to the NCAA Tournament, and more teams than that who have struggled.  It always has seemed like the teams that were struggling needed someone posting for them far more than the teams that were succeeding.

It doesn't have to be much.  It could be as simple as posting links to stories on your school's website.  That's a start and it's much better than nothing.  If you want to add more, then great.  And if you want to keep your identity a secret, just go to yahoo and create an email account specifically for the message board.  Like they say on those crime stopper ads, "we don't want your name, just your information".  

The young men and women of the SCAC deserve more recognition and it would be nice if all the schools were represented on the message board.  If you have thought about posting but haven't yet, take the plunge.  I'm sure the athletes will appreciate your efforts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HSC85 on October 01, 2009, 12:48:47 PM
Well said Frank.  I hope many of the "reader" take these comments to heart on all of the boards.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 01, 2009, 06:09:45 PM
Just discovered that in the 9-28-09 AFCA poll, Millsaps is No. 24.  Centre, MS College, Trinity, and Depauw are all 'receiving votes'.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 01, 2009, 06:13:39 PM
Go Roo's!! Beat Monterry Tech!!   {this just feels kinda funky - thanks Colorado :( }

Honestly I have no sense for what to expect this weekend from our opponent, our team or our fans. I guess I'm just glad we're home for this one. What worries me is that a poor performance might hurt us more than a good performance would help us.

As for Centre, I see that their schedule is much tougher in the second half of the season. They rarely play at home after this weekend and have all the "big dogs" on the road. I'll say this. They really don't look like a pretender to me - but then I didn't think we would be 0-2 at this point.

*And what is the situation with DPU Spud? Will he play again? - Is the coaching change a bigger factor to DPU's start than I thought it would be?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 01, 2009, 09:01:14 PM
Quote from: rooski on October 01, 2009, 06:13:39 PM
Go Roo's!! Beat Monterry Tech!!   {this just feels kinda funky - thanks Colorado :( }

Honestly I have no sense for what to expect this weekend from our opponent, our team or our fans. I guess I'm just glad we're home for this one. What worries me is that a poor performance might hurt us more than a good performance would help us.

As for Centre, I see that their schedule is much tougher in the second half of the season. They rarely play at home after this weekend and have all the "big dogs" on the road. I'll say this. They really don't look like a pretender to me - but then I didn't think we would be 0-2 at this point.

*And what is the situation with DPU Spud? Will he play again? - Is the coaching change a bigger factor to DPU's start than I thought it would be?

Be prepared for a battle. Supposedly they have like five different teams and then play their "cream of the crop." It's almost like an AAU team for basketball I've been told. I think it could shape up to be interesting and not at all what Austin College is expecting. It's definitely no pushover game. Go Roos!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 01, 2009, 09:54:40 PM
In fact, the game will be televised back to Mexico...

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=2012&ItemID=6984

Apparently the Wild Rams are serious about their American football.

I think you're right, the Kangaroos had better be ready. This team may be better then the one that came to Sherman earlier for a scrimmage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 01, 2009, 10:21:31 PM
I"m not worried about the Trinity D.  I'm more worried about the offense.  But, I've got faith.  Should be a good win for TU this weekend. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on October 01, 2009, 10:26:52 PM
Since everyone is asking for it, I thought I'd chime in on behalf of the Praying Colonels.
Congrats to J. Pinque on TOW honors. He had a big 2nd half against Austin and it was well deserved.
This team has yet to put together a complete game and they are still 4-0.
They were streaky throughout the Hanover game.
They played a great 1st Q against Maryville.
They played the best 3 quarters of football I've seen in a while againt Depauw.
Then last week, they played a really poor 1st half, followed up by a great 2nd half.
Hopefully this week they put it all together against Sewanee.
Go Colonels!



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2009, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on October 01, 2009, 10:26:52 PM
Since everyone is asking for it, I thought I'd chime in on behalf of the Praying Colonels.
Congrats to J. Pinque on TOW honors. He had a big 2nd half against Austin and it was well deserved.
This team has yet to put together a complete game and they are still 4-0.
They were streaky throughout the Hanover game.
They played a great 1st Q against Maryville.
They played the best 3 quarters of football I've seen in a while againt Depauw.
Then last week, they played a really poor 1st half, followed up by a great 2nd half.
Hopefully this week they put it all together against Sewanee.
Go Colonels!

+1 and welcome, PrayingColonel.   Please stick around and continue to give us input on your squad!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2009, 12:35:33 AM
Thanks for posting PrayingColonel--I have a feeling that you won't need much praying regarding the outcome of the game this weekend.

Regarding the Roo's this weekend, it might be the only time a SCAC football crowd can pull out the old "USA! USA! USA!" cheer.  It seems like that game will have a very odd feel to it, especially coming in the middle of the season instead of maybe a different way to start off a season.

Since I've been editing the Trinity-Millsaps football photos all week (they are posting to the website at this very moment), I've been reliving that game quite a bit.  My impression based on just that one game, hardly enough feedback to assume accuracy, is that the gap between Millsaps and Trinity in 2009 is greater than the gap between the two teams from 2006-08.  Greater by a significant amount, primarily because Millsaps dominated the line of scrimmage on both sides of the ball.  

Did you know that in 2006 and 2007, Trinity actually had more yards of offense in the games than Millsaps?  In 2008 Millsaps outgained Trinity by a 576-400 margin.  This year the margin was 514-186 and it was 24 first downs for Millsaps compared to 8 for Trinity.  A fluke game? Is Millsaps a lot better this year?  Is Trinity way off this year?  A combination of the three?  I don't know but something tells me that this weekend will clear up the picture quite a bit.  

Naturally I'll pick Millsaps to beat DePauw this weekend.  On the BSC-Trinity game, I'm going with Trinity.  My hunch is that Trinity will be a much better team this weekend and they'll find a way to beat a rapidly improving BSC team.  It should be a very good game.

AND MY PHOTOS HAVE FINISHED LOADING.  I'll add a description tomorrow as well as finishing the photos of the fans, cheerleaders, and dance team.  Here's the link to the photos:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MC2009-10/FB2009/TU092609/9823033_rmgfH#667412311_xcitk

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2009, 09:44:18 AM
Trinity finally returns from its season opening, four week road trip ... so the local daily runs a feature on the D2 program (whose sole win came against the same Monterrey Tech team Austin plays this week) taking its third trip of the year, all the way to OK.   Sigh.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2009, 11:32:36 AM
I've been listening to the DePauw radio station this morning--they have great music to go along with their great sports coverage (WGRE:  http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/index.asp ).  When they announced the time, it reminded me that Greencastle is in the Eastern Time Zone. 

That means the Millsaps-DePauw game starts at noon for those of us in the Central Time Zone.

ALSO, Spud has been taking most of the snaps in practice this week and is expected to start the game on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 02, 2009, 11:51:17 AM
Welcome in "Praying Colonel"...'preciate the insights on the team!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 02, 2009, 12:01:49 PM
Ron:   In the words of Rodney Dangerfield, "...no repect, I tell ya, no respect."

It amazes me how hometown newspapers so seldom run any blurbs from the press releases SIDs send out to mark POTW, TOW, Records, etc.   Of course, my perspective is limited to just a handful of cities, but down south the D3 teams just get passed by.  What a shame since these athletes really personify student athletes and demonstrate a love for the game, not necessarily a ticket to the pro-ball Lottery!

Enough of my whining....thanks for letting me rant.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 02, 2009, 01:28:22 PM
SUPER photos, Frank!

The TU QB surrounbded by the sea of Purple Jerseys is great, as is the placekicking sequence and many off-the-ground shots!

The pics give validation (as do the stats!!) of the strengh of the Majors Defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 02, 2009, 01:44:52 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 01, 2009, 10:21:31 PM
I"m not worried about the Trinity D.  I'm more worried about the offense.  But, I've got faith.  Should be a good win for TU this weekend. 

You're pretty optimistic, but I would be really worried about your defense. Ya'll gave up 514 yards (and about 85 more called back on penalties) to the SCAC's fifth-ranked total offense in Millsaps last week. BSC is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. If a QB is not established, then ya'll could be in big trouble. Neither one looked good vs the Majors.

As far as "should be a good win for TU this weekend" ... might want to hold off on that. Just because ya'll are 64-1 at home in the regular season in the last 65, this is a new year at E.M. Stevens. BSC is a top-caliber SCAC team that will be competing very soon (like two years) for the league title.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 02, 2009, 06:18:25 PM
Glad you "chimed in" PrayingColonel !  Don't be a stranger. We will be interested in your post game comments this week.

We enjoyed our trip to Danville last weekend - except maybe for the canon  ;D.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 02, 2009, 07:26:10 PM
Welcome a'board', P Colonel.  We're all looking forward to see how your Colonels are able to complete this campaign.  Hope to see you on 10/24!

Good to hear that Spud Dick will likely be playing tomorrow.  Should be a great game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2009, 08:40:52 PM
Link to Millsaps preview for this week's game:
http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/10/2/FB_1002091009.aspx

Link to DePauw 26 page program/preview for the game:
http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2009/notes/millsaps.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Tomorrow's forecast for San Antonio:  a 100% chance of rain with locally heavy rainfall possible in the afternoon.  That field is going to be one muddy mess by the end of the game.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2009, 10:42:31 PM
When taking photographs, one doesn't really have the opportunity to watch a game.  Often my impressions of a game are only formed after going through and editing the photos.  This week I've been editing photos for both the Millsaps varsity and JV football teams, and two things stood out for each team.

Regarding the varsity:
1)  When Millsaps is on defense, notice how many purple jerseys are surrounding the ball carrier in most of the shots.  I'm amazed at how quickly so many players get to the ball.

2)  In the plays near the Millsaps sideline, look at the faces of the players on the sideline.  They really seem to pull for each other and celebrate the successes of their teammates.  While I know it is not unique, it seems to me that the level of unity I see on the Millsaps sidelines is a rarity, especially with so many players vying for playing time and a spot on the bus for SCAC road trips.

Regarding the Junior Varsity team:
1)  It seems like the talent level on the JV has improved significantly since last season.  I believe it's a combination of the talent in this class, plus the depth that is now building up from several years of recruiting classes brought in by Coach DuBose and his staff.

2)  The second observation is that the JV guys seem to have a lot of fun playing.  There's no doubt that the games are serious business, but you can tell from the photos that they also have a good time and seem to enjoy their teammates and coaches.

-----------------------------------------

Those are just my observations from what I see in the photos and from what I see when I'm on the campus for other sporting events.  The team's unity is one of their main strengths, one that is often overlook when sorting through stats and X's and O's.

I've been doing all this thinking and writing while waiting on photos from the Belhaven JV game to load.  They just finished and here is the link--there are a lot of photos but freshman parents especially enjoy seeing photos of their kids in action:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MC2009-10/JVFB2009/JVFB092109/9831260_cYn3e#668203666_Xyqf5
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2009, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Tomorrow's forecast for San Antonio:  a 100% chance of rain with locally heavy rainfall possible in the afternoon.  That field is going to be one muddy mess by the end of the game.   

Maybe they can move the game over to the intramural field where the school choose to install the artificial turf.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2009, 11:21:02 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2009, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Tomorrow's forecast for San Antonio:  a 100% chance of rain with locally heavy rainfall possible in the afternoon.  That field is going to be one muddy mess by the end of the game.  

Maybe they can move the game over to the intramural field where the school choose to install the artificial turf.  :)

Don't get me started, Frank.

All I can hope is that the new president (from UC-Boulder) will see the idiocy in having such a poor facility for football when everything else (including the freaking FieldTurf lacrosse field) is so much better.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 03, 2009, 08:40:38 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2009, 11:21:02 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2009, 10:43:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Tomorrow's forecast for San Antonio:  a 100% chance of rain with locally heavy rainfall possible in the afternoon.  That field is going to be one muddy mess by the end of the game.  

Maybe they can move the game over to the intramural field where the school choose to install the artificial turf.  :)

Don't get me started, Frank.

All I can hope is that the new president (from UC-Boulder) will see the idiocy in having such a poor facility for football when everything else (including the freaking FieldTurf lacrosse field) is so much better.

They could always move back across the street to the "Rockpile!"  It started raining about 7 AM.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2009, 10:04:07 AM
Weather looks real good at DePauw:  High in the mid-50's, 20% chance of a few sprinkles, the winds a little high at 10-20 mph.

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USIN0251?lswe=greencastle,%20IN&from=searchbox_localwx

Wet with chance of T-storms at Trinity, it looks like a lot of nasty weather has recently passed through the area:

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USTX1200?lswe=san%20antonio+TX&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&from=searchbox_typeahead

Sewanee won't have to play in the rain this week as the weather forecast at Centre is 0% chance of rain, high of 68, with winds in the 15-25 mph range:

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USKY0820?lswe=danville,%20KY&from=searchbox_localwx

In Austin, TX it looks like a high of 74 with a 60% chance of T-storms, but we all should know by now that Austin College is north of Dallas in Sherman, TX.  There it will be a mostly sunny 78 degree day with only a 10% chance of rain:

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USTX1255?lswe=sherman,%20TX&from=searchbox_localwx

And last on the weather look around the SCAC, Rhodes travels to St. Louis and finds conditions much like the ones in DePauw--high of 61, 20% chance of rain, winds in the 10-20 mph range:

http://www.weather.com/weather/local/USMO0787?lswe=st%20louis,+mo&lwsa=WeatherLocalUndeclared&from=searchbox_typeahead

As for following these 5 games, you can find most of the links you need at the SCAC schedule site.  Keep in mind that these are all local times, so the Millsaps game is at noon for those in the Central Time Zone.  Also, the Austin game has been bumped from the SCAC schedule page so below is a link to the Austin website spot where you can get live stats:

SCAC Schedule:   http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/schedule#

Austin College:  http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?7086

That's my update for the morning.  Safe travels to all the players, coaches, and fans, and lets hope for an injury free weekend on the fields of play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2009, 12:50:40 PM
Image is up on the Millsaps webcast--the picture looks good and so far no buffering problems--hopefully, the internet speed it good enough for audio this week.

Heard an interesting interview of DePauw head coach and o-line coach on WGRE.  Looks like Spud is going to play--worried about Millsaps speed, especially if they get into obvious passing situations.  Sounds like DePauw has a young o-line with 3 sophs starting for the first time this year.  They will have to really work well as a unit to hold off the Millsaps front 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 03, 2009, 01:16:40 PM
Depauw takes the opening kick and marches down to the Majors 14 on 15 plays, but stall out and settle for 3 points.

Millsaps D is making stops, but is having trouble with the empty set.

Millsaps brings the kickoff out to their own 32 yard line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 01:39:08 PM
Underway in San Antonio where it's not raining.  B-SC takes the opening kick past midfield, converts two fourth downs on the way to an early 7-0 lead.  

Trinity also gets a return past midfield.  Sophomore Patrick Dickinson gets the start at QB.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 03, 2009, 01:43:36 PM
9-0 Depauw in the 2nd quarter, Millsaps blocks the PAT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 01:47:40 PM
Trinity gets inside the 20 but a penalty and sack force them to settle for a Biel FG, 7-3 BSC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 03, 2009, 01:56:58 PM
Dick to Koors for 67 and a TD on a play that was 1st and a country mile.  16-0.

Sent a text to a few of my DPU football friends.  I'll share it with you now: "Uh. Wow."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2009, 01:57:20 PM
Was hoping Millsaps could get to the half without being down by too much.  DePauw now leads 16-0 in a score that is indicative of the lopsided nature of the game.  About 7 minutes to go in the half.  Millsaps needs a drive that results in time off the clock and points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 01:58:05 PM
Trinity holds B-SC, partially blocks the kick, drives into B-SC territory but are again stopped by a sack on third down.  Garrett Biel hits from 47 yards out to close the gap to 7-6.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 02:06:43 PM
On third and 11, Dickinson finds a streaking Caleb Urban for a 62-yard TD.   Trinity leads B-SC 13-7 with 12:27 remaining in the first half.

Big brother Jerheme Urban is in the house, btw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 03, 2009, 02:10:23 PM
Millsaps finally puts together a good drive (19 plays) and scores with 30 seconds left. Score now 16-7 in favor of Depauw.  Millsaps gets the opening kick of 2nd half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 03, 2009, 02:13:17 PM
Depauw kneels it to end the half, 16-7 Depauw at the half.  Millsaps offense had one good drive to end the half, but have been quiet otherwise.  Have some adjustments to make!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2009, 02:15:37 PM
The kneel was a ploy to set up a quick play where DePauw starts to walk off the field after the kneel down, but then they quickly set up for a play in hopes that the other team is caught unaware.  Interesting play, but I think they would have been better off by trying 2 or 3 long passes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 03, 2009, 02:18:11 PM
DePauw has tried that one a few times over the years, but they never can get the officials to understand what they're trying to do.  I don't think DePauw's going to be able to get it down close enough for a FG attempt in 20 seconds, and if you don't think you can throw a 60 yard TD pass, might as well try something creative.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 02:19:17 PM
Caleb Urban scores again, this time from ~60 yards out on a double reverse (live stats are very intermittent today so can't look it up.   20-7 Trinity with 7:37 before halftime.  

The Tigers are finding the running lanes much more open this week than last. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2009, 02:27:45 PM
Wes, both ways might have been long shots and I'm glad the officials did seem to bog down the DePauw plan.

Millsaps gets the ball to start the 2nd half.  Tack on some points to start the 3rd quarter, make some defensive adjustments to at least slow down the DePauw attack, and there's still a lot of time left for a Millsaps comeback.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2009, 02:31:49 PM
Wanted to make this a seperate post:

That is a very nice gesture by the DePauw officials that they included the initials "PD" with the pink ribbons markings on the field that symbolize the fight against brest cancer.  The "PD" is for Polly DuBose, the wife of Coach DuBose who has been dealing with the disease in recent weeks.

A very big thumbs up to DePauw for their thoughfulness.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 02:33:25 PM
B-SC goes for it on fourth-and-nine from the TU 14 but Tyler Barrett breaks up a pass in the end zone.  Still 20-7 with less than two minutes to play in the half.  Looks like Trinity will just run out the clock. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 03, 2009, 02:34:19 PM
Colonels up 14-0 on Sewanee. Looks like it's halftime.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 02:42:45 PM
Rhodes trails WashU, 14-0 with ten minutes to play in the first half.    Rhodes got to the WU red zone on their opening possession but a WU player intercepted a Stoops pass.

EDIT:  Turns out Urban's double reverse TD was "only" 49 yards, btw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 03, 2009, 02:47:18 PM
DePauw in again with a Mulligan TD catch.  Looks like he and Koors are more than a handful for the Millsaps secondary this afternoon.  Koors with another big catch on the drive.  Mulligan drew a pass interference penalty after he burned the Millsaps corner.  23-7 now.

Spud is now 17-22 for 247 and 3 scores.

EDIT: Millsaps comes right back with a 68 yarder to Galatas.  23-14.

Another big catch by Koors gets DePauw into Millsaps territory, but it stalls and they settle for the Havercamp 36 yarder.  26-14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 03, 2009, 02:58:58 PM
Dick and the long ball is making for a long day  (so far)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2009, 03:06:58 PM
DePauw has also avoided the turnover all game--it seems like Millsaps will need one or two of those as part of the formula for a comeback.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 03:07:30 PM
On the first series of the second half, TU's Dickinson scores on a broken play, taking it in from 12 yards out.   27-7 Trinity, 8:55 left in third.

Plays for Trinity:  rushing, 27 for 193 yds; passing, 6-of-8 for 107.  
Plays for B-SC:  rushing, 22 for 97;  passing, 5-of-10 for 32.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on October 03, 2009, 03:10:08 PM
Centre 8 Sewanee 0 beginning of 3rd quarter. Sewanee playing pretty tough defense, Offense hasn't gotten much going yet.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 03, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
These penalties are killing Millsaps...must be about 10 with tons of holding and personal fouls.....too many men on the field means a wasted timeout.  MC doens't seem to be playing too sharp, as a whole.  Q4 needs to start with a score and get us out of the self-destruct mode.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on October 03, 2009, 03:19:44 PM
Sewanee vs. Hampden Sydney game photos

http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/thumbpage.aspx?e=5262148



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 03:20:53 PM
Trinity holds B-SC to a three and out.   A nice ten-play drive culminates in another Patrick Dickinson TD run, this time from ten yards out.  34-7 Trinity with 2:04 left in the third.

EDIT:  B-SC's punter fumbles the snap, Trinity takes over at the 21.  Second string starts to rotate in for Trinity, led by QB Jeremy Staska.   15 minutes to play.

EDIT:  Graves finds Galatas for another long TD and the Cardiac Kids from Jackson are within five with 13 minutes to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 03, 2009, 03:22:23 PM
does any one have the email address for DP while he is broadcasting...I missed it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 03:30:40 PM
Staska carries the ball four times, scoring from a yard out on the last carry, as Trinity extends the lead to 41-7.

See, they do play better at home.  

DPU gets a big pass interference call on third down to keep the ball out of Chris Graves' hands for a little while longer.  

EDIT:  Jimmy Stainback finds Johnny Lawroski from 22 yards out and BSC's backups have a nice drive to make the score 41-14, 9:21 to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 03, 2009, 03:41:46 PM
Huge 42 yarder from Havercamp.

29-21 with 4:16.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 03:42:42 PM
Trinity gets a punt blocked and BSC takes over inside the TU 40.   Grr.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 03, 2009, 03:46:27 PM
Galatas AGAIN.  4 catches for 166 and 3 TD's.  2 pointer fails.  29-27 DPU with 3:37. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 03:48:59 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 03, 2009, 03:46:27 PM
Galatas AGAIN.  4 catches for 166 and 3 TD's.  2 pointer fails.  29-27 DPU with 3:37. 

Millsaps only has 1 timeout remaining if the live stats are correct.   DPU ball at their 27.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 03, 2009, 03:54:21 PM
Big 3rd and 11 conversion to Koors ices it.  29-27 the final.  Spud 28-34 372 and 3 TD's.  Huge win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 03:55:01 PM
Final in SA, 41-14 Trinity.

DPU gets a big personal foul call against Millsaps, then a 23-yard pass from Spud Dick to Alex Koors to seal the win.  DPU 29, Millsaps 27, final.   Congrats DPU !

Centre, up 18-0 vs Sewanee, will have the conference lead by themselves after today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Major Rev on October 03, 2009, 04:13:54 PM
EXCELLENT game by Depauw today - no turnovers, stopped the run, made the big plays - Spud Dick and Koors not to mention Havercamp kicking after back surgery this week who ends up with a game-winning 42-yarder.  Congratulations to the Tigers.

Millsaps will have to play a full game if they intend to contend for the league title.  Inconsistent play, penalties, lack of pressure on the QB all killed us today.  We'd better play a much more complete game at Huntingdon next week!

From other results, I'd say Trinity has bounced back showing that they are more than they brought to Jackson last week.  And Centre may yet be for real.  Depauw certainly is, especially with their starting QB on the field!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 03, 2009, 04:26:14 PM
Congratulations on DePauw for keeping their NCAA playoff hopes alive.  Millsaps still has playoff hopes but now those hopes ride on winning out and getting some help.  The folks in Jackson just became huge Trinity Tiger fans, since Trinity winning over both DePauw and Centre along with Millsaps winning out would give Millsaps the AQ (and at 9-1 and a co-SCAC Championship, Trinity would have to be in the short list of at-large candidates).

This game was going to be tough all along for Millsaps, coming on the road and on the heels of having just played Trinity.  Plus playing a very talented team that needed a win or else the season would became somewhat of a wait for the second season, the rivalry game against Wabash.  Still, Millsaps had a 2-point attempt to tie the game in the closing minutes.  

It seems like that 2-point attempt was a reflection of the biggest difference I see between the 2008 and 2009 teams.  Last year the offense hit receivers for short gains and hopefully they turned them into bigger gains.  This year the receivers are often catching the ball for no gain and having to get all of the positive yardage after the catch.  I'm saying that as an observation, not as a criticism.  I trust the coaches to come up with a plan that works best with the players on the roster, but it seems like with the graduation of Eric McCarty and maybe a couple of other guys, we lost the go to receivers on the short balls.

Maybe I'm wrong on that--it's not like I see the game real well when taking photos and I've never professed to know much about the X's and O's.  It just seems like this is the one area on offense where we don't get a lot of "move the sticks" type of production.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 03, 2009, 07:29:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2009, 10:09:58 PM
Tomorrow's forecast for San Antonio:  a 100% chance of rain with locally heavy rainfall possible in the afternoon.  That field is going to be one muddy mess by the end of the game.   

Ron, for five seasons now since I've had Tiger Cam, when I pull it out, the clouds part.  Not one rain game for my son in 5 years. 

No different today.  It was overcast.  No rain. 

Tiger Cam mojo prevails yet again. 

(People were really betting against me on this one today!) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on October 03, 2009, 08:32:52 PM
Centre 20 - Sewanee 0.
They did not play well offensively, but defense obviously did well.
This is a good news bad news game as starting QB, Tyler Osterman broke his ankle and is out for the remainder of the season.
Hopefully the team rallies around his replacement, senior, Grant Conliffe. Ironically, Conliffe was the starter last year until Sewanee ended his season with an injury.
I haven't seen any stats on this game yet, but I can tell you that Centre had 3 td's called back. They cannot continue to rack up penalties and remain unbeaten.
Go Colonels!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 03, 2009, 09:03:59 PM
Roos lose.

+++++++

I hate to see the report on Osterman. We all do, no doubt. May God bless you Tyler.
Centre is fortunate to have an experienced, quality senior to bring in. I wish them well.

+++++++

Congrats to todays winners. Nothing like a Saturday afternoon in the fall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 10:06:16 PM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on October 03, 2009, 08:32:52 PM
Centre 20 - Sewanee 0.
They did not play well offensively, but defense obviously did well.
This is a good news bad news game as starting QB, Tyler Osterman broke his ankle and is out for the remainder of the season.
Hopefully the team rallies around his replacement, senior, Grant Conliffe. Ironically, Conliffe was the starter last year until Sewanee ended his season with an injury.
I haven't seen any stats on this game yet, but I can tell you that Centre had 3 td's called back. They cannot continue to rack up penalties and remain unbeaten.
Go Colonels!



That is a tough break (no pun intended) for the Colonels and for Tyler Osterman.  I hope his recovery goes well and wish Conliffe well taking over as starter.   Unfortunately it's too late in the season for Tyler to get a medical redshirt.

The SCAC race continues to intrugue with DePauw, Millsaps, Trinity all with one loss, Centre undefeated but having games at both Millsaps and Trinity, and Austin in the wings waiting to play spoiler.  Rhodes is just having a tough season and Sewanee has struggled to find anything on offense so far.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 03, 2009, 10:17:08 PM
Still early, but I think DePauw's finally got a handle on things.  The Spud we saw today was like the Spud we saw towards the end of last year.  I'm beginning to think that the Centre result was just an anamoly anomaly.  It may not be likely that we see many of those type days the rest of the year. 

I thought the defense was great except for the 3 plays that they let Galatas get free.  They got plenty of pressure on Graves today, and the good thing was that they did it with just the front four 4 for the most part.  They were able to drop all 7 and still force a lot of early and errant throws. 

Now DePauw is at struggling Rhodes and then has a week off to get ready for Trinity.  Everybody in this camp is rooting against Centre, obviously.  Maybe DePauw got a favor today in the Osterman injury.  Hate to have it happen like that, but you'll take an advantage wherever you can get one in this conference.  Way too early to be thinking about tiebreakers and things, but DePauw is, in essence, going to need Centre to lose twice (IF - key word in this sentence - IF DePauw can win out in the conference).  Either that or win the 3 team tiebreak, but let's not even think about that right now.  In any event, my point is that I don't believe anybody wants to get to that Bell game again and be in a "win and you're in" scenario.  Puts a lot more pressure on that football game when you don't really need it.  There's enough as it is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2009, 10:40:55 PM
Hey, some folks at Colorado College are still trying to get football back - here's the latest:

Nick Mogno    October 3 at 5:40pm  Reply
Players, Alumni, Family, and Friends of CC Football -

You likely haven't heard much over the past few months about the fight to save and resurrect CC Football. However, a group of Alumni and Parents have been working hard for the last six months to address the fact that our program was canceled without warning or a call for help. The working group is in the process of establishing the Washburn Foundation, a charitable organization who's mission is to "resurrect and sustain football and its 127 year tradition at Colorado College."

Next weekend at Homecoming, the foundation invites you to join a line-up of events Friday and Saturday, including the First Annual Student/Alumni Flag Football game Saturday afternoon on Washburn field. Football has been played at CC every year since 1882, and this year will be no different. You can see the weekend's full schedule here:

http://www.washburnfoundation.org/homecoming-events/

Whether playing in the game, or just watching and reconnecting with old friends and teammates - pull your favorite CC football clothing out of the closet and come show your support! Washburn Foundation t-shirts and lapel pins will be on sale to raise money for the cause. Please read more about the foundation, register for the game, donate, and more at washburnfoundation.org.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2009, 10:21:13 AM
Darn sad about CC football.  Last year, my wife and I traveled up for the game and had a great time.  What a beautiful campus with a long football tradition.  Some folks just don't get it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 04, 2009, 02:28:50 PM
TU Tigers took care of business at home (again) yesterday.  Solid performance the young O-Line as Trinity gained 268 yards on 47 carries and another 150 by air 10 of 13 with no picks.  Balanced attack.  Biel hit two long FGs early. Caleb Urban picked up two long TDs and both QB's scored on the ground.  The Black Flag bent for that first BSC TD, then got their backs up!  Big game by Carpetyan (7 tackles) and Satterwaite (5 with 1 sack).  Nice job, guys.

Tex, I want my TigerPics!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 04, 2009, 02:42:37 PM
I thought the DePauw defense was played very well yesterday---save of course for the three long balls. The front four got pressure on the quarterback and they relaly shut down a good rushing attack. What stuck out to me was the Tigers tackling in space...Millsaps has made a living off of getting the ball to talented players who make you miss and then they're off to the races. Linebackers and DB's came up and made plays yesterday...no better example than Wrona's huge stop on the two-point conversation attempt late in the game. That is a very good Millsaps team...very talented and, I think, just as fast on both sides of the ball as last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2009, 06:04:34 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 04, 2009, 02:28:50 PM
TU Tigers took care of business at home (again) yesterday.  Solid performance the young O-Line as Trinity gained 268 yards on 47 carries and another 150 by air 10 of 13 with no picks.  Balanced attack.  Biel hit two long FGs early. Caleb Urban picked up two long TDs and both QB's scored on the ground.  The Black Flag bent for that first BSC TD, then got their backs up!  Big game by Carpetyan (7 tackles) and Satterwaite (5 with 1 sack).  Nice job, guys.

Tex, I want my TigerPics!

I'm uploading all 1400+ right now.  Check Facebook for about 30. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 04, 2009, 06:47:28 PM
Tex,
Was way off about the Tigers having troubles at home... well played game Saturday it sounds like. I guess being back home after a month, they were ready to let it all hang out.

As for my predictions, I went 3-2 last week (lost Millsaps & Trinity games) which puts me at 8-2 in two weeks in the W-L column.

Sad to hear about Osterman as well, that should shake up the SCAC standings down the stretch, unfortunately. Congrats to all this weekend's winners, hopefully we'll have some solid football games again this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2009, 07:33:34 PM
It ain't over till the carbohydrate-challenged lady sings. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 04, 2009, 08:27:49 PM
Great game at DePauw this weekend.  I would have felt that win or lose.  But, obviously, winning makes it a whole lot better.  I thought the offensive line was much improved.  Spud was rarely hit.  I don't think they had a sack.  And we were able to run the ball with some success.  I didn't like the predictability early in the game when 78 came in and played tight end.  We ran on first down almost every time.  Spud was Spud and Koors was Koors.  I have to give props to Mulligan.  That kid can play for me any day.  He gets the wind knocked out of him after the last TD sucks it up and snaps on the PAT.  Defensively, they were well-prepared and executed very well, except as Wes said, those 3 long passes.  Without them, Millsaps is held to about 150 yards.  I give Millsaps a lot of credit.  They kept coming back.  I am glad the game did not go to OT.  Also, as someone said, nice gesture on the field honoring Coach DuBose's wife.  My best to her and their family.  Now, we need some help from our friends in Texas and Millsaps to give Centre a couple of blemishes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 04, 2009, 10:37:08 PM
It's a crazy year in the SCAC so far. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 05, 2009, 09:48:01 AM
Mr. Tex, that is a very succinct and accurate statement!

I think my next set of predictions will be done via coin flip!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 05, 2009, 10:56:18 AM
Quote...not to mention Havercamp kicking after back surgery this week who ends up with a game-winning 42-yarder.  Congratulations to the Tigers.

I think that was something that got lost by some in Saturday's game. Havercamp's 3 FG's were huge...including that 42-yarder that proved to be the difference. It is great to have him back as he is a real weapon....

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 05, 2009, 01:00:05 PM
Yeah, Tex, you're right, but I think the big thing you're seeing (with the exception of the DPU-Centre result) is that a lot of these teams are struggling on the road.  I'd guess that's due to the youth more than anything.  Trinity has scuffled bigtime on the road to start the year.  Millsaps has 2 home wins, 2 road losses, and a road win by a point.  BSC is the same way, although they haven't played anybody good at home. 

We have proven over the years that this conference has a better home field advantage than the average conference, probably due to the travel.  But, when you start throwing in these top tier teams with new quarterbacks like Trinity & Millsaps are doing, I think you increasing that margin even more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on October 05, 2009, 07:46:35 PM
To Tacttm1

here is the info you (and I) wanted Saturday during the Millsaps game.
DP's email is broadcastingbydp.net
and his im name is dpmbraves@yahoo.com for yahoo peeps
I had the hardest time understanding it thru computer speakers, so I contacted him today for the info for next weekend in Huntingdon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 05, 2009, 08:56:06 PM
Quote from: millsaps mom on October 05, 2009, 07:46:35 PM
To Tacttm1

here is the info you (and I) wanted Saturday during the Millsaps game.
DP's email is broadcastingbydp.net
and his im name is dpmbraves@yahoo.com for yahoo peeps
I had the hardest time understanding it thru computer speakers, so I contacted him today for the info for next weekend in Huntingdon.

It's actually broadcastingbydp@bellsouth.net. Mom left out the "bellsouth" part. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 05, 2009, 09:28:53 PM
SCAC Players of the Week: Clean Sweep for DePauw.

http://depauw.edu/ath/news.asp?id=24151

Congrats to all and to Coach Long and staff for a great game plan.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 05, 2009, 10:23:54 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 05, 2009, 09:28:53 PM
SCAC Players of the Week: Clean Sweep for DePauw.

http://d3football.com/pressreleases.php?release=3029

Congrats to all and to Coach Long and staff for a great game plan.

And a congrats to the Millsaps defense for letting ya'll pound the ball down the field all day. ;)

You're welcome.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 06, 2009, 09:51:15 AM
Thanks, MM and IM for the DP contact info.  He does a great job on the call of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 06, 2009, 09:55:03 AM
Coach Dubos should print and post the POTW sweep by DePauw in every players locker.  If that isn't foder for getting up for the next few games, I don't know what is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2009, 10:04:07 AM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on October 06, 2009, 09:55:03 AM
Coach Dubos should print and post the POTW sweep by DePauw in every players locker.  If that isn't foder for getting up for the next few games, I don't know what is.

Somehow I don't think that's going to be a problem.

And c'mon, this is only the second SCAC loss in DuBose's coaching career, and the first road loss.   Both are pretty amazing stats when you think about it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 06, 2009, 03:13:55 PM
Millsaps Webcast Fans:   I've spoken with quite a few fans who discussed some of the video issues on the webcasts, esp at away games.  In a nutshell, these issues (minor though they may be) centered around the rapid camera pans and extended scoreboard shots after every play, leading to missed pre-and post-play action.  I queried about this and here is an excerpt of a reply from SID at Millsaps which pretty much explains it all and answers the questions:


"We've been working on this for two years now and try to explain to people, but a lot of times they don't understand. When we go on ROAD football games, the filmer we use is filming for Millsaps football, not for the webcast. Their company is paid to shoot an end zone shot and wide shot, which is what you're seeing on road football games when they pan to the scoreboard right after a play. That's their job. They also do this with all HOME games, but then we have our own student that I pay to shoot for the webcast only (which is why there are never any complaints).

What it comes down to is travel costs. Right now we can't afford to send another person on the road, so we go with what we have. Trust me, I've been trying to stress this to our staff for awhile now, but they just don't understand. But it's the best we can do and a FREE service for our viewers. It's something I've been trying to fix before every road game, but just not happening. If we can't send someone this Saturday, be prepared for the same thing because it's been like this for every road game since last season."

Millsaps has what has to be one of the best SI departments I've encountered and they do a whole lot with a small staff and budget.  Yet even with such constraints, that office always is looking to do even more and takes the time to respond to a supporter's email!  Well done!


....and now back to the football!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 06, 2009, 05:15:05 PM
D3 Team of the Week released. Congrats to Millsaps' Lawrimore and DePauw's Wrona. I'm stunned, like Juan Joseph TOTW stunned, that Alex Koors did not get it at WR. The guy with 20 catches for 295 yards hands down deserved it, but Koors' stats were better than the other two receivers who beat him out.

I just don't understand the TOTW selections sometimes. And yes, I understand there are tons of nominees.

That is ridiculous a guy with 8 catches for 212 yards and two TD's doesn't get it. Just crazy. ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 06, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
Koors has already earned that award this season after the Anderson game.  There are enough teams in this country with good WR's that somebody shouldn't be on it two times in four weeks, frankly.

That's not really the point of the Team of the Week, I don't believe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: millsaps mom on October 06, 2009, 07:20:44 PM
 ;D

I am so excited, I had no idea that my son made the DIII team of the week, until just now when I went to the Millsaps site and there was the article. I know he hates it when I discuss him, but geez, both myself and MajorDad are darn proud of him. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PA_wesleyfan on October 06, 2009, 07:49:23 PM
Quote from: millsaps mom on October 06, 2009, 07:20:44 PM
;D

I am so excited, I had no idea that my son made the DIII team of the week, until just now when I went to the Millsaps site and there was the article. I know he hates it when I discuss him, but geez, both myself and MajorDad are darn proud of him. 

Enjoy every minute of it Millsaps mom..... Congrats
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 06, 2009, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 06, 2009, 06:55:17 PM
Koors has already earned that award this season after the Anderson game.  There are enough teams in this country with good WR's that somebody shouldn't be on it two times in four weeks, frankly.

That's not really the point of the Team of the Week, I don't believe.

Who cares if he's already earned it. When you eclipse the 200-yard mark, you should be a strong contender. I'm confused that you wouldn't want your own player to earn the national recognition? If someone has 15 tackles and an INT in back-to-back weeks, are you saying don't even nominate if they won it the week before? That's odd.

And I guess I'll lose a karma point for not agreeing with you. ::) Oh well, can't agree with everything. That would make it just boring.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 06, 2009, 09:59:11 PM
Because we aren't talking about the Heisman Trophy.  It's a chance for some young men to get a little recognition for what they're accomplishing.  I think Pat would be the first to tell you he's going to give somebody else a chance to be on that team as opposed to giving it to the same players who put up big numbers every week.  If he goes 10 for 200 with 2 or 3 TD's every week, he's not going to be on it all 9 weeks.  Each week isn't a vacuum for the team of the week and it shouldn't be at this level.  It's not what this level of football is about.  There's a hell of a lot of things more important than being on a Team of the Week.  Koors is on a SCAC POTY pace.  He might even be on a Gagliardi pace, although it's pretty early for that. 

I'm not losing any sleep over it.  He's already been recognized for what he's accomplished so far.  I can't understand why people take their players not being on that team as some kind of screw job.  There are 200 teams playing every Saturday.  What's the big deal?  If you are playing football or you sent your son to play football at this level for the recognition, I can assure you that you are in it for the wrong reason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 06, 2009, 10:30:56 PM
As I reviewed the Trinity media guide, I saw these series.

Trinity has records against these teams thru the 2008 season:

Team.............................Games Played... Trinity record
Austin College7638-29-6
McMurry3622-13-1
Millsaps3215-17-0
Hardin-Simmons297-18-4
North Texas279-16-2
Howard Payne277-16-4
Abilene Christian2612-13-1
Rhodes2615-11-0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 06, 2009, 11:37:34 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 06, 2009, 09:59:11 PM
I'm not losing any sleep over it.  He's already been recognized for what he's accomplished so far.  I can't understand why people take their players not being on that team as some kind of screw job.  There are 200 teams playing every Saturday.  What's the big deal?  If you are playing football or you sent your son to play football at this level for the recognition, I can assure you that you are in it for the wrong reason.

Point taken. Never again will I argue for a player in the SCAC who deserves national recognition. My bad. :-X
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on October 06, 2009, 11:47:42 PM
a ton of football left to play I know, but in the SCAC, what does the tie breaker situation look like with two or three one loss teams?   

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 07, 2009, 12:01:06 AM
Quote from: bashbrother on October 06, 2009, 11:47:42 PM
a ton of football left to play I know, but in the SCAC, what does the tie breaker situation look like with two or three one loss teams?   



It could even be four one-loss teams.

Centre's undefeated, but will have to go the rest of the way without Osterman. If they win out, they obviously win the SCAC.

There are so many other scenarios right now, it's not even funny. Maybe the scacsid could chime in and help us out....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 07, 2009, 05:42:11 AM
The head-to-head matchups to come will prevent four 1-loss teams.  Here's what's left on the SCAC schedule for the 5 teams with a chance to finish at just 1-loss or better (I'm leaving out the BSC games since they don't count in the standings and the current records shown are SCAC games only):

Centre (3-0):  at Millsaps, hosting Rhodes, at Trinity
DePauw (2-1): at Rhodes, hosting Trinity, hosting Austin
Millsaps (2-1):  hosting Rhodes, hosting Centre, at Sewanee
Trinity (1-1):  hosting Sewanee, at DePauw, hosting Centre, at Austin
Rhodes (0-1):  hosting DePauw, at Millsaps, hosting Austin, at Centre, hosting Sewanee

At the point regarding head-to-head:

Centre has the advantage over DePauw
DePauw has the advantage over Millsaps
Millsaps has the advantage over Trinity
Trinity has the advantage over Rhodes

Anyone want to predict the 1-game losers for the season (or the prospects of Centre going undefeated)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 07, 2009, 06:42:03 AM
A bye-week, off-topic comment, if I may ...

Congratulations to the McMurry "Tribe" for a well-deserved win ... breaking three (bad)streaks at once in last Saturday's 45-21 win over ETBU.  For those unaware, I highly recommend this week's D3 Around the South column by Jason Bowen.

Link: http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/McMurry+can+hold+its+head+high (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/McMurry+can+hold+its+head+high)

Having seen McMurry in action first-hand in week one, several of us Trinity parents remarked, "Wow, that's not the same team we saw last year!"  And, indeed, it is not.  A tip of the hat to Hal Mumme and his assistants for reviving the spirit in the football program at McMurry University and for the support of the administration, athletic department, and alumni there.  And, a special shout out to the McMurry players who continue to reach for excellence in the classroom and on the field of play, despite a long recent struggle for respect.  In the heat of our supporting our own team (and the relief of Trinity's narrow victory this season), we sometimes forget that these young men are just as dedicated and hungry for a win as our sons.  Perhaps, in some ways, moreso.  I commend you all ... you make us all proud.

Well done, McMurry!  I predict the ETBU result will not be your last victory this season, but an indicator of things to come for your program.  The ASC better watch their backs ... there's a Tribe on the loose in Abilene!!

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 07, 2009, 09:04:58 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 07, 2009, 05:42:11 AM
The head-to-head matchups to come will prevent four 1-loss teams.  Here's what's left on the SCAC schedule for the 5 teams with a chance to finish at just 1-loss or better (I'm leaving out the BSC games since they don't count in the standings and the current records shown are SCAC games only):

Centre (3-0):  at Millsaps, hosting Rhodes, at Trinity
DePauw (2-1): at Rhodes, hosting Trinity, hosting Austin
Millsaps (2-1):  hosting Rhodes, hosting Centre, at Sewanee
Trinity (1-1):  hosting Sewanee, at DePauw, hosting Centre, at Austin
Rhodes (0-1):  hosting DePauw, at Millsaps, hosting Austin, at Centre, hosting Sewanee

At the point regarding head-to-head:

Centre has the advantage over DePauw
DePauw has the advantage over Millsaps
Millsaps has the advantage over Trinity
Trinity has the advantage over Rhodes

Anyone want to predict the 1-game losers for the season (or the prospects of Centre going undefeated)?

I'll give it a shot:

1.  Prospects of Centre going undefeated - slim.  Road games at both Millsaps and Trinity?  Possibly without their starting QB?  I actually think they're catching a break this weekend with Birmingham-Southern not being a conference game - wouldn't surprise me at all if B-SC wins that game.

2.  One loss teams - DePauw and Millsaps. 

DePauw - only remaining road contest against Rhodes - that's a W.  The Texas duo has to travel to Greencastle - brutal.  I like DePauw in those games as well.  All this assumes team remains healthy.

Millsaps - They get Centre at home.  Rhodes and Sewanee are W's.

3.  Centre, Trinity, Austin - all with at least two losses.

In this scenario, DePauw would win the SCAC by virtue of head-to-head victory with Millsaps, correct?  I would be curious to see if Millsaps would earn a Pool C bid in this scenario.

If Centre beats Trinity, and DePauw, Millsaps, and Centre all end up with one loss - who's the champion?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 07, 2009, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 07, 2009, 06:42:03 AM
A bye-week, off-topic comment, if I may ...

Congratulations to the McMurry "Tribe" for a well-deserved win ... breaking three (bad)streaks at once in last Saturday's 45-21 win over ETBU.  For those unaware, I highly recommend this week's D3 Around the South column by Jason Bowen.

Link: http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/McMurry+can+hold+its+head+high (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/McMurry+can+hold+its+head+high)

Having seen McMurry in action first-hand in week one, several of us Trinity parents remarked, "Wow, that's not the same team we saw last year!"  And, indeed, it is not.  A tip of the hat to Hal Mumme and his assistants for reviving the spirit in the football program at McMurry University and for the support of the administration, athletic department, and alumni there.  And, a special shout out to the McMurry players who continue to reach for excellence in the classroom and on the field of play, despite a long recent struggle for respect.  In the heat of our supporting our own team (and the relief of Trinity's narrow victory this season), we sometimes forget that these young men are just as dedicated and hungry for a win as our sons.  Perhaps, in some ways, moreso.  I commend you all ... you make us all proud.

Well done, McMurry!  I predict the ETBU result will not be your last victory this season, but an indicator of things to come for your program.  The ASC better watch their backs ... there's a Tribe on the loose in Abilene!!

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To be politically correct, there is a McMurry on the loose.  No mascot anymore.  ;D  Go Tribe!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on October 07, 2009, 11:00:16 AM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 07, 2009, 09:04:58 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 07, 2009, 05:42:11 AM
The head-to-head matchups to come will prevent four 1-loss teams.  Here's what's left on the SCAC schedule for the 5 teams with a chance to finish at just 1-loss or better (I'm leaving out the BSC games since they don't count in the standings and the current records shown are SCAC games only):

Centre (3-0):  at Millsaps, hosting Rhodes, at Trinity
DePauw (2-1): at Rhodes, hosting Trinity, hosting Austin
Millsaps (2-1):  hosting Rhodes, hosting Centre, at Sewanee
Trinity (1-1):  hosting Sewanee, at DePauw, hosting Centre, at Austin
Rhodes (0-1):  hosting DePauw, at Millsaps, hosting Austin, at Centre, hosting Sewanee

At the point regarding head-to-head:

Centre has the advantage over DePauw
DePauw has the advantage over Millsaps
Millsaps has the advantage over Trinity
Trinity has the advantage over Rhodes

Anyone want to predict the 1-game losers for the season (or the prospects of Centre going undefeated)?

I'll give it a shot:

1.  Prospects of Centre going undefeated - slim.  Road games at both Millsaps and Trinity?  Possibly without their starting QB?  I actually think they're catching a break this weekend with Birmingham-Southern not being a conference game - wouldn't surprise me at all if B-SC wins that game.

2.  One loss teams - DePauw and Millsaps. 

DePauw - only remaining road contest against Rhodes - that's a W.  The Texas duo has to travel to Greencastle - brutal.  I like DePauw in those games as well.  All this assumes team remains healthy.

Millsaps - They get Centre at home.  Rhodes and Sewanee are W's.

3.  Centre, Trinity, Austin - all with at least two losses.

In this scenario, DePauw would win the SCAC by virtue of head-to-head victory with Millsaps, correct?  I would be curious to see if Millsaps would earn a Pool C bid in this scenario.

If Centre beats Trinity, and DePauw, Millsaps, and Centre all end up with one loss - who's the champion?

In regard to the only 1 loss teams being Depauw and Millsaps, Depauw and Millsaps are Co-Champions and Depauw receives the NCAA Automatic Bid by virtue of the head to head competition

If there are three 1 loss teams, then all are Co-Champions and the tie break methodology spelled out on page 27 of the SCAC Fall Sports Operating Manual is applied. Following is the link to this policy-

http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/policy/2009_SCAC_Fall_Operating_Manual.pdf

If there is a three way tie, it looks like some of the more esoteric tie breaks,which essentially centers on number of overall losses and strength of schedule, will need to be compiled. If this happens there are a few questions that beg for a little more interpretation -

1. How do you handle and compare the three schools records when Depauw and Centre have only a 9 game schedule and Millsaps 10?
2. Does the Birmingham Southern game count?
3. What about NAIA games? In or out?

There is still alot of football to be played. I think by October 24, the answers to these questions will be much clearer.

There is alot of parity in the league and anything can happen between now and the season's end.

Hope this is helpful!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 07, 2009, 11:55:23 AM
About the only conference that can anticipate being in contention for a Pool C bid with two losses in the OAC.

Millsaps is sitting behind Mississippi College in the pecking order for a Pool C.  If Millsaps had won that game, then that would be a good one to have.

I doubt that the SCAC earns a Pool C bid.  As of now, I think that the Thomas More/W&J loser is the leading Pool C candidate to be at the table when Pool C bids are considered.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on October 07, 2009, 05:11:24 PM
My predictions are:
Millsaps and DePauw are the 1 loss teams with DPU getting the NCAA bid.
Centre with 2 losses...tough road schedule down the stretch.
TU with 2 losses. Yes AC will take the Tigers at home this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 07, 2009, 06:07:14 PM
I predict my beloved Roos will not win the SCAC, or earn a playoff bid this year. But by golly, I'm behind 'em anyway!   ... On to "the mountain"!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 07, 2009, 07:27:43 PM
I know was kind of hashed above, but for DePauw to win the AQ, one of two things has to happen:

1) Centre loses twice, and DePauw wins the SCAC AQ at 6-1.

2) Centre loses only once to Millsaps and all three teams tie, at which point Millsaps is eliminated with two overall losses.  The AQ would then go to the team with the higher OWP.  So it's going to come down to what Anderson & Wabash can do as opposed to Hanover & Murvul.  DePauw's two non-confs are 4-4.  Centre's are 3-5.  Also in this scenario, DePauw HAS to win Bell game to get in against Wabash, which is probably going to 9-0.  Maybe 8-1 if Witt can do something crazy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on October 07, 2009, 08:38:03 PM
Hey Wes, I think you are mostly right, but I believe it says once one of the teams is eliminated in the three team scenario it reverts back to head to head which means Centre gets it over Depuw. At least thats the way I read it.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 07, 2009, 09:04:47 PM
Those scenarios sound a little complicated.  I sort of like Trinity and Millsaps both winning out from here to finished tied at the top at 6-1.  Millsaps gets the AQ via head-to-head, and hopefully Trinity gets the trip to Belton--if they get in, you know that's where they will play in the first round.

Nice and simple and everybody's happy.  Okay, maybe half the teams near the top are happy, but let's not split hairs on this.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 07, 2009, 09:20:30 PM
Yeah, you're right PC.  I missed that.  So  I think we've solved the situation to say that Centre wins the tiebreak with DePauw unless Centre, DePauw, and a 3rd team all end at 5-2 in the conference with an 7-2 (or 8-2) record. 

The most likely scenario to get that result is that Trinity loses at DePauw then beats Centre two weeks later.  Centre also has to lose at Millsaps.  If DePauw dropped another conference game to a team other than Trinity, we'd have 3 at 5-2 in the conference.  DePauw & Centre would be 7-2 and Trinity would be 8-2.  Then the tiebreak does go to the OWP as I stated above.  Azusa does not count for Trinity, so you've got 2 non-conference games for all 3 teams.

There are a few other scenarios that get 3 teams at the top at 6-2, but I don't think they're very likely.  Rhodes won't lose just once more with the 3 of the big 4 still left.  Austin still has DePauw & Trinity left.

In essence, here are the facts for the DPU fans in the room - Centre has to lose twice and DePauw has to win out in the conference.  If Centre doesn't lose twice, DePauw has to win the Bell game for the Pool C.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 07, 2009, 10:43:34 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 07, 2009, 09:20:30 PMThere are a few other scenarios that get 3 teams at the top at 6-2, but I don't think they're very likely.  Rhodes won't lose just once more with the 3 of the big 4 still left.  Austin still has DePauw & Trinity left.

Just so folks don't forget Austin, lets say the Roos semi-salvage the season with a win over one of those two. Though far be it from me to suggest which one. {Y'all have to let me have some fun as I switch from "the kool-aid" to "lemonade".}
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 08, 2009, 08:47:23 AM
Hopefully the weather people will be wrong but everything I read points to a rainy day across Alabama Saturday. Maybe we will get lucky and it will hold off in Montgomery long enough to not effect the game much.
For anyone headed to Montgomery, good luck and have a safe trip.


Go Hawks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 08, 2009, 02:22:54 PM
I'm not going to jump into the playoff, pools, bids, brackets, etc. quite yet...but I do call both Millsaps and Trinity to go clean for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 08, 2009, 05:10:20 PM
Here's an SCAC composite schedule that y'all might find handy as the season moves along ...


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I'll try to remember to update it with scores and records early each week ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 08, 2009, 05:18:51 PM
Thanks TD, you may want to check Centre's schedule, I think you are a little off there.  Does not match up with Millsaps week to play Centre...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 08, 2009, 08:32:57 PM
QuoteI am so excited, I had no idea that my son made the DIII team of the week, until just now when I went to the Millsaps site and there was the article. I know he hates it when I discuss him, but geez, both myself and MajorDad are darn proud of him.

Congrats...your son did a helluva job punting the ball.
 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 09, 2009, 09:09:53 AM
Quote from: exmajor on October 08, 2009, 05:18:51 PM
Thanks TD, you may want to check Centre's schedule, I think you are a little off there.  Does not match up with Millsaps week to play Centre...

exmajor:  Thanks for catching that ... it's fixed now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 09, 2009, 05:45:53 PM
I hope everyone enjoys their Football Saturday, whether in person or on-line!!

Let's pray that all of the athletes complete their games and travel without injury and that they create for themselves memorable moments!

Time to chill the beer, Diet Coke and canned cheese!(kidding about that last one!!)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 09, 2009, 10:48:25 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on October 09, 2009, 05:45:53 PM
I hope everyone enjoys their Football Saturday, whether in person or on-line!!

Let's pray that all of the athletes complete their games and travel without injury and that they create for themselves memorable moments!

Time to chill the beer, Diet Coke and canned cheese!(kidding about that last one!!)



Man, I love canned cheese whizzz
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 10, 2009, 01:14:36 PM
Centre driving early against BSC for a 7-0 lead.

Nine plays, 80 yards. Eight of the plays were runs. Pinque had over 50 of them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 01:51:03 PM
Millsaps gets ready to start their game with Huntingdon in a few minutes.  When you get a chance, you might want to check this Youtube video of the Huntingdon Football Strength program.  I don't know anything about strength training, but someone put together an impressive video of the strength program:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=li1Yz3gJUlE
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 02:04:10 PM
Fixing to walk in & watch Rhodes hosting DePauw. How us the Birmingham-Southern Centre game going, Conrad?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 02:06:39 PM
DePauw is already up 7-0 on a Spud Dick touchdown pass.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 02:12:44 PM
Unfortunately, the Millsaps webcast seems to be down

Fortunately, Huntingdon have an audio at this link:  http://www.teamline.cc/free_listen?teamcode=2588&eventcode=20&status=PFU

Unfortunately, Millsaps is down 7-0 after 3 minutes of play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 02:16:54 PM
Dick takes the Tigers 90 yards for a second score. 14-0 DPU with 6:12 to play in the 1st.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 02:21:10 PM
Less than 6 minutes into the game, Huntingdon is now up 14-0.  Millsaps went 3 and out, Huntingdon has scored easily on both possessions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 02:25:55 PM
Tigers are in complete control of this one, driving for the 3rd time for a score late in the opening quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 02:28:19 PM
3 drives, 3 TD passes, 21-0 DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 02:34:06 PM
Millsaps scores with 5:05 left in first quarter.  Now 14-7 Huntingdon with Millsaps to kick off.  Taylor Weaver scored on a 1-yard TD run for the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 02:53:47 PM
Huntingdon up 21-7 with a minute to go in the 1st quarter.  I'm having to listen to the Huntingdon webcast.  They make it sound like Millsaps has a DePauw hangover, not a good thing since Huntingdon is very much on par with Trinity and DePauw.  

Millsaps had 3 offside plays in a row on Huntingdon's last drive.  On a previous drive, Millsaps had at least 2 15-yard penalties.  Not a criticism of the refs--it sounds more like a team that isn't focused.  And even though this game is meaningless in regards to the SCAC Championship and NCAA bid, it is still a game that is important.

Millsaps offense sounds a little better at the moment as we are 2-3 plays into the 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 02:57:18 PM
Graves just hits Bowser for a 20+ yard TD pass.  Millsaps needs to find as many ways as possible to get the ball in Bowsers hands every game.  That guy is something special.

Huntingdon leads 21-14 with about 13 minutes to go in the first half.  If you bet on the over-under for this game, I hope you took the over.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 03:07:14 PM
Pretty one-sided here in Memphis with PePauw leading 28-0 just before halftime. Rhodes just hit a lengthy pass play inside the Tigers' redzone with 30 seconds left in the half. Dick is carving up the Lynx secondary with short passes. He's got 4 TD passes. This one looks like it's time to head home & watch Ole Miss-Bama.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 03:10:25 PM
Lynx are on the board at halftime. DPU leads 28-7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 03:19:39 PM
Defenses have tightened up and Millsaps just drove about 90 yards to tie the game 21-21.

About 3 minutes to go in the 1st half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 03:25:19 PM
Any word on the BSU-Centre game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 03:25:39 PM
Miles Saeger (spelling? #38) blocks a punt out of the end zone for a safety.  Millsaps up 23-21 with a minute to go till halftime.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 10, 2009, 03:26:31 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 03:25:19 PM
Any word on the BSU-Centre game?

Centre leads 14-13 late in the fourth with the ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 03:30:34 PM
Millsaps has now scored 23 unanswered points for a 30-21 lead with about 30 seconds to go in the half. 

Centre is barely holding on.  They lead BSC 14-13 with 1:25 to go, Centre has the ball, 2nd down 11 to go.  BSC has 3 timeouts left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 03:37:02 PM
Millsaps up 30-21 at half.  Centre-BSC live stats seem frozen at 1:25 to go in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 03:46:35 PM
DePauw has tacked on a 31-yard field goal for a 31-7 lead midway through the 3rd quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 03:49:10 PM
Everytime Rhodes does something promising they turn the ball over. DPU recovers a Lynx fumble on Rhodes' 36 yard line. I'm outa here!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 10, 2009, 04:02:37 PM
Getting close again with Millsaps; we need a score now and with good field position, now is the time to hammer it in....and I'm running out of squirt cheese!!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 04:06:53 PM
Millsaps now up 36-24. 

Millsaps got opening kick--tried wildcat play to open up and lost a fumble--HC got a short FG--Millsaps returns kickoff past midfield--5 plays drive for TD--kick blocked.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 04:15:52 PM
Milllsaps fumbles deep in territory--Graves is the only player who can prevent TD on runback--Graves makes tackle, is injured--Millsaps intercepts ball to prevent score--Sean Murphy plays QB next series.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 04:18:29 PM
Any one ever get a final from Birmingham?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 04:26:34 PM
Looks like final was 14-13 with Centre winning.  Huntingdon pulls within 5 with a TD and PAT.  Millsaps leads 36-31.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 04:30:17 PM
Thanks, Frank. The IPhone is nice but it doesn't support Adobe Flash which is required for stats coming from BSU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 10, 2009, 04:38:23 PM
You can always try checking the SCAC mobile scoreboard
http://www.scacsports.com/m/index (http://www.scacsports.com/m/index)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 10, 2009, 04:40:31 PM
one quarter to go, Millsaps  36   37  Hun   after a failed 2 pt conversion
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 04:42:59 PM
Huntingdon retakes lead 37-36, failed on a 2-pt conversion.  About a minute to go in 3rd quarter.  Sean Murphy has be the QB on the last 3 drives.  No word on what injury Chris Graves has after making the tackle following an interception (or was it a fumble).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 04:44:49 PM
Sean Murphy just got his bell rung--Konner Joplin out of Texas looks like the next QB.  He had impressive number in high school last year, but that was high school and this Huntingdon team sounds big and fast.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 10, 2009, 04:46:46 PM
Quote from: scaccommish on October 10, 2009, 04:38:23 PM
You can always try checking the SCAC mobile scoreboard
http://www.scacsports.com/m/index (http://www.scacsports.com/m/index)

Thanks for reminding me. I get lazy sometimes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 04:50:15 PM
Given the situation, Millsaps surprising goes with an empty backfield and Huntingdon brings the pressure and gets a QB fumble.  Might have been a good time to run something safe and then punt to give the Millsaps defense some breathing room.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 05:02:38 PM
Huntingdon up 44-36 after long TD pass.  Current situation:  Millsaps can't move ball on offense, they are having trouble with field position, Millsaps defense is having to play too many minutes.  Ambulance just came to pick up someone--announcer speculated that it is Millsaps QB Sean Murphy.

Huntingdon brings pressure, quarterback force leads to interception.  Needed to run the ball, run the clock, let defense get breather.  Not looking good at all for Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2009, 05:03:26 PM
As per Frank, Huntingdon 44-36.

The Hawks are playing for a Pool B bid!  This could be a signature win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2009, 05:13:18 PM
Millsaps just has 76 yard TD called back for offensive pass interference.  Thought Millsaps was getting penalized an awful lot.  Turns out they had 12 penalties in the first 3 quarters.  However, Huntingdon had 15 penalties during that stretch. 

No longer know the score or time, but seems obvious that Millsaps will drop to 3-3.  Now the question is the health of the players, not just the two QBs but at least a couple of other players as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2009, 05:19:07 PM
What a tough year it has been for SCAC QBs ... Centre, Trinity, DePauw, and now Millsaps have lost QBs to injuries of varying severity so far this season.  Hope your players are OK, Frank. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 10, 2009, 05:21:43 PM
this wont be a fun final few minutes.

I has been a physical game alright, hope these guys are ok.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
On the post-game radio broadcast, Coach DuBose said he thinks Chris Graves will be OK for next week and possibly could have gone back in the game today, but he wanted Chris to be healthy for conference.  He didn't know what the prognosis was for Murphy.

He was less-than-pleased (putting it mildly) with the officiating today.  

Wonder what ended up happening in Birmingham - I was giving blood today, watching the live stats and the Colonels were moving the ball all over the place on B-SC.  I turned the game off after Centre picked off a B-SC pass leading 14-7.  Hard to believe they didn't score after that, Centre was running wild up until then.   That old saw about the SCAC road being a tough place to win on keeps on keepin' on.   A loss to B-SC wouldn't have done anything to the Colonels' conference hopes but would have put a dagger in the heart of any Pool C chances, should they lose a game later this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 10, 2009, 05:51:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
On the post-game radio broadcast, Coach DuBose said he thinks Chris Graves will be OK for next week and possibly could have gone back in the game today, but he wanted Chris to be healthy for conference.  He didn't know what the prognosis was for Murphy.

He was less-than-pleased (putting it mildly) with the officiating today.  

Wonder what ended up happening in Birmingham - I was giving blood today, watching the live stats and the Colonels were moving the ball all over the place on B-SC.  I turned the game off after Centre picked off a B-SC pass leading 14-7.  Hard to believe they didn't score after that, Centre was running wild up until then.   That old saw about the SCAC road being a tough place to win on keeps on keepin' on.   A loss to B-SC wouldn't have done anything to the Colonels' conference hopes but would have put a dagger in the heart of any Pool C chances, should they lose a game later this year.

Coach DuBose ought to know better.  Just like the SEC.

Mississippi can't get an officiating break in Alabama!    :D :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 10, 2009, 06:09:21 PM
A little shocked at the turn around in Montgomery myself. Was 36-24 when I strated doing some other things and when I checked back wow. Great win for the Hawks. Millsaps needs win out now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 10, 2009, 09:39:12 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2009, 05:39:53 PM
On the post-game radio broadcast, Coach DuBose said he thinks Chris Graves will be OK for next week and possibly could have gone back in the game today, but he wanted Chris to be healthy for conference.  He didn't know what the prognosis was for Murphy.

He was less-than-pleased (putting it mildly) with the officiating today.  

Yes, Graves definitely didn't look happy to not get to go back in when Murphy got hurt. We hope that Murphy will be okay, that was one tough hit he took.
I also agree with Coach Dubose on the officiating. It was terrible both ways. One of the worst groups I've seen in a while. No consistency whatsoever.
As for the game, that 2nd quarter was the worst that Huntingdon has played in a long time, possibly ever. I loved the guts our guys showed in fighting their way back to win the game, although I'm not sure the comeback would have been possible had Graves not gotten hurt or been allowed to come back in. Once he got things going late in the first we were having a real hard time stopping him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 10, 2009, 10:36:58 PM
Left the DPU live stats when it was 31-7 near the end of the 3rd, but it looks like they had some fun in the 4th.  52-26 ended up being the final. 

Spud with a school record 6 TD's on 25-36 passing for 343.  Threw the 6 TD's to 4 different players.  Koors had 2.  He's on an absolutely unheard of pace right now.  Another 6 catches for 126 and the 2 scores.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 11, 2009, 06:54:47 AM
Wes, agree with your comments on the offense.  Except for a few drives in the second quarter, they looked really good.  Defensively, we let down the last 36 or so minutes.  Rhodes did not have a first down until mid second quarter. Then we could barely stop them.  I am sure some of it was mental focus, but that should not happen.  They scored 4 times from their last possession of the second quarter on.  I am sure the coaches will be emphasizing that letdown over the next couple weeks as they prepare for Trinity.  In some ways, that may be a good thing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 11, 2009, 07:56:16 AM
Updated after Week 6 results were in ...  :o


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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 11, 2009, 06:48:29 PM

Thought it was noteworthy that the Memphis Commercial Appeal actually gave up some nice space in its Sunday edition for coverage of the Rhodes-DePauw game. Below is a link to the website...but in the paper the story actually got a bold headline and upper right hand corner placement in the college football section. Othe than the Bell game, certainly never see that in The Indianapolis Star. Tip of the hat to the folks in Memphis!

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/oct/11/depauw-has-too-much-for-rhodes/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 11, 2009, 07:39:00 PM
TigerDad....thanks for the composite sked...much needed this year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic ConferenceD
Post by: Tex on October 11, 2009, 11:01:39 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 11, 2009, 07:56:16 AM
Updated after Week 6 results were in ...  :o


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the loss of Colorado College has proved for some interesting replacement games. I don't know much about Azuza but depauw finishes with Wabash.   Sewanee just chose not to fill the gap.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 11, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
Actually, DePauw didn't fill theirs either.  That's why they have the off week this week to get ready for Trinity.  Should have been a trip to Colorado Springs this Saturday.

Azuza is a pretty darn good NAIA team year in and year out, but they're 1-6 this year.  Beat D3 UW-SP, but also got ran out of the joint at D3 UW-LaCrosse.  They beat the pants off TU in '03.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 12, 2009, 03:49:58 AM
QuoteSpud with a school record 6 TD's on 25-36 passing for 343.  Threw the 6 TD's to 4 different players.  Koors had 2.  He's on an absolutely unheard of pace right now.  Another 6 catches for 126 and the 2 scores.

Actually, Wes, it was to five different receivers. Also worth noting that Bryan Mulligan just missed a 100 yard day For all of Alex Koors' much deserved recognition, Bryan continues to be a tough, gritty receiver who will catch anything remotely in his area and get YAC. Really a tough football player. He's also within 10 catches or so of becoming DePauw's all time leader in receptions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on October 12, 2009, 12:08:54 PM
Glad to see Centre cracked the top 25 at #22.
They statistically dominated their game with BSC (yardage, time of possession, etc.) but had trouble finding the end zone. The Defense was outstanding as usual.
Hopefully the bye week will allow them to get healed up and prepare for Millsaps in two weeks.
Go Colonels!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic ConferenceD
Post by: TigerDad on October 12, 2009, 05:39:54 PM
Quote from: Tex on October 11, 2009, 11:01:39 PM
the loss of Colorado College has proved for some interesting replacement games. I don't know much about Azuza but depauw finishes with Wabash.   Sewanee just chose not to fill the gap.

Tex, this subject was discussed at great length late last spring.  Colorado College dropped their program without advanced notice to their SCAC opponents ... leaving many teams scrambling for a tenth game in their schedule.   All 8 teams already had a bye week built-in, but not everyone could replace the CoCo hole in their schedules.

Rhodes defeated Haskell (http://www.rhodeslynx.com/news/2009/9/12/haskell_game.aspx?path=football#) in Week 2, Austin College met Tecnologico de Monterrey (http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=2017&ItemID=6984) in a Week 5 exhibition match, Millsaps lost to Huntingdon (http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/10/10/FB_1010092619.aspx) last week in their pickup game (Week 6).  Coming up, Trinity will play NAIA Azusa Pacific (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/09APU_addition.htm) in Week 9, and BSC will meet Huntingdon (http://www.bscsports.net/news/2009/7/1/FB_0701092140.aspx?path=football#) in Week 10 for the first time ever.  Centre, DePauw and Sewanee will be stuck with two open dates this season ... could be a problem if they're scraping for a Pool C bid in November.

Trinity will host winless Sewanee coming off last week's bye and DePauw will rest up for the Texas Tigers' visit to Indiana next week.  Hope that game will have playoff implications and be a good one!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 12, 2009, 09:53:31 PM
To our friends with the SCAC...somebody has been messing with your stats since this morning. Numbers have erroneously changed...and Spud Dick is now a junior. ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 12, 2009, 10:22:46 PM
D3_DPUFan,

Not sure what happened, but its been fixed. Thanks for the heads-up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 12, 2009, 10:32:55 PM
thanks, scaccommish...i've said it in here on several occassions...the scac site is top notch and you guys do a helluva job, not just in football, but all sports...and if you were going to give spud another year of eligibility, i was going to be ok with that. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on October 13, 2009, 08:39:36 AM
Sewanee vs. Austin College photos
http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/thumbpage.aspx?e=5397977
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fico on October 13, 2009, 12:38:25 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 11, 2009, 11:18:04 PM
Actually, DePauw didn't fill theirs either.  That's why they have the off week this week to get ready for Trinity.  Should have been a trip to Colorado Springs this Saturday.

Azuza is a pretty darn good NAIA team year in and year out, but they're 1-6 this year.  Beat D3 UW-SP, but also got ran out of the joint at D3 UW-LaCrosse.  They beat the pants off TU in '03.

It was actaully 2004 and it was a close game until the 4th quarter.  Trinity's 7 turnovers where the deciding factor there.  Both defenses played great that day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 13, 2009, 01:36:57 PM
Was a typo.  I was even looking right at the number on their team page from Pat. 

I wouldn't call 20-0 at half close, but we're kinda splitting hairs.  Pretty clear to me that Azusa was the better team that day.  Anyway, I don't expect a similar result this Saturday.  They've fallen on pretty hard times.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 13, 2009, 02:39:58 PM
DePauw tickets for the 116th Monon Bell Classic go on sale October 28...

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/10/13/News/Monon.Bell.Ticket.Sales.Begin.After.Fall.Break-3801477.shtml#5

This story indicates parking lots open at 10 a.m. on game day. If so, that would be absolutely ridiculous. Stupid. Lots opened at 9 a.m. in 2007 and that is fine. My hope is common sense prevails and the 9 a.m. start returns.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 13, 2009, 02:41:21 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 13, 2009, 02:39:58 PM
DePauw tickets for the 116th Monon Bell Classic go on sale October 28...

http://media.www.thedepauw.com/media/storage/paper912/news/2009/10/13/News/Monon.Bell.Ticket.Sales.Begin.After.Fall.Break-3801477.shtml#5

This story indicates parking lots open at 10 a.m. on game day. If so, that would be absolutely ridiculous. Stupid. Lots opened at 9 a.m. in 2007 and that is fine. My hope is common sense prevails and the 9 a.m. start returns.

As we discussed a couple days ago on the NCAC board, I still think that's only the Blackstock parking lot.  You can still get there early and park behind the Lilly Center, as far as I know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 13, 2009, 02:47:40 PM
Also, the first Strength of Schedule #'s are out.  I'm too lazy to create a table, so I shorthanded this below:

Rank  Team   Region Record   Winning%   OWP    OOWP
69    Centre          6-0           1.000       0.569   0.511 
195  DePauw         5-1           0.800       0.350   0.625
222  Trinity           3-1           0.750       0.225   0.631

Still early, and DePauw is going to get a lot of help from Wabash, but they kinda need Anderson to get their rear end in gear.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 13, 2009, 03:33:41 PM
QuoteAs we discussed a couple days ago on the NCAC board, I still think that's only the Blackstock parking lot.  You can still get there early and park behind the Lilly Center, as far as I know.

Understand...but that is still absolutely ridiculous. Why single out that lot...and tell all the families and others who support DePauw football week in and week out to go park somewhere else? Can't help but believe that will revert back to how it was in 2007.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 13, 2009, 03:43:57 PM
My two guesses are that A) DePauw security can't watch the entire thing at once, since people park both on top of the hill and down in the back between the field hockey field and the softball field and B) that's the biggest parking lot for miles and they don't want it filled up with people taking 3 or 4 parking spots. 

I understand why people are frustrated, particularly those that tailgate in that lot every Saturday, but DePauw thinks this helps them manage the crowd better.  I think they're wrong, but none of us have a heckuva lot of say in the matter.  I'm just as likely to get too drunk and punch a Wabash fan on Indiana St. as I am at Blackstock, but whatever.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 13, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
"Shoreman", thanks for posting photos of Saturdays game from Sewanee! It's cool that your pics show how the fog set in during the second half. It was a really fun outing. The Sewanee folks were absolutely terrific. We thoroughly enjoyed being on the campus on Homecoming day - even ate in the cafeteria with Tigers young and old.

I highly recommend seeing a game at Sewanee!

Our Roos started slow but got going during the second quarter. UOS defensive front really abuse our QB early and stuffed our running game, but I guess some adjustments the offense made helped break things loose. Two great drives late in the half helped them take control. When our offense is clicking it is so much fun to watch because they mix it up so well.

Finally got that big play we've been expecting from Matt Finke - INT return for TD -which helped salt the game away in the 2nd half. And Greg Fife was a force all day long from his D-line spot.

The downer of the weekend was a knee injury to our DB/Punter Josh Willis. It looked pretty bad and the early, unofficial word is that it may be an ACL, which could/would end his season. He is one great young man and I hurt for him and his parents if thats the case.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 13, 2009, 06:40:01 PM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on October 12, 2009, 12:08:54 PM
Glad to see Centre cracked the top 25 at #22.
They statistically dominated their game with BSC (yardage, time of possession, etc.) but had trouble finding the end zone. The Defense was outstanding as usual.
Hopefully the bye week will allow them to get healed up and prepare for Millsaps in two weeks.
Go Colonels!

Good to see Centre doing well - it will be a real test in Jackson on the 24th. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 13, 2009, 08:51:02 PM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on October 13, 2009, 06:40:01 PM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on October 12, 2009, 12:08:54 PM
Glad to see Centre cracked the top 25 at #22.
They statistically dominated their game with BSC (yardage, time of possession, etc.) but had trouble finding the end zone. The Defense was outstanding as usual.
Hopefully the bye week will allow them to get healed up and prepare for Millsaps in two weeks.
Go Colonels!

Good to see Centre doing well - it will be a real test in Jackson on the 24th. 
Totally agree. It should be a dandy football game. I saw these two teams in consecutive weeks and cannot easily pick one over the other. I guess the key match-up will be Centre's disciplined, physical defense against Millsaps' explosive offense. I think a low scoring game would favor Centre.
  It's a shame Centre is playing without Tyler O but they will have had some time to blend Conliff back into the starting QB spot. And it sounds like Chris Graves should be okay for this game.
  The week off will likely be a plus for the Colonels since they travel. But playing in Jackson obviously should boost the Majors.
  I'm eager to see how Pinque fares against Millsaps' athletic defenders.
  If it comes down to special teams Milsaps gets the nod - rediculously good return game. And Centre's place kicking isn't it's strength - a missed XP or FG could really hurt them.
  Overall, two outstanding football teams loaded with talent and character - no doubt in part a reflection of their respective head coaches. I wish I could be there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 14, 2009, 09:21:20 AM
Quote from: rooski on October 13, 2009, 06:01:47 PM
"Shoreman", thanks for posting photos of Saturdays game from Sewanee! It's cool that your pics show how the fog set in during the second half. It was a really fun outing. The Sewanee folks were absolutely terrific. We thoroughly enjoyed being on the campus on Homecoming day - even ate in the cafeteria with Tigers young and old.

I highly recommend seeing a game at Sewanee!

Thanks as well to Shoreman for the pictures and to Rooski for the positive comments.   Y'all got to experience a classic example of a Sewanee fog - by the 4Q I couldn't see much past the 20-yd line from where I was standing by the end zone opposite the scoreboard.  I keep hoping the Tiger offense will come together and match the play of our defense but it just doesn't look like it's going to happen this year.   Do let us know how your punter is doing; agree with you that it looked like a really bad injury.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 15, 2009, 12:11:37 AM
Nice interview with Jerheme Urban... "The way I see it"

http://www.azcardinals.com/photos-videos/videos/The-Way-I-See-It---Jerheme-Urban/737e7ab9-e6c2-4cb2-9d8c-fde8fca5e23c
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on October 15, 2009, 02:12:54 AM
Terrific video of Jerheme.  Perseverance on display.  He is maturing in the NFL vice disappearing.  A terrific example...and a Trinity Tiger to boot!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 15, 2009, 08:29:38 AM
How's the weather in San Antonio, Texas Tiger fans? Up here it's mid-40's with potential for rain/snow mix...see ya'll next Saturday. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 15, 2009, 10:34:01 AM
QuoteI understand why people are frustrated, particularly those that tailgate in that lot every Saturday, but DePauw thinks this helps them manage the crowd better.  I think they're wrong, but none of us have a heckuva lot of say in the matter.  I'm just as likely to get too drunk and punch a Wabash fan on Indiana St. as I am at Blackstock, but whatever.

Makes no sense...opening the Blackstock lots at 10 does nothing to help manage things...it's better to push people into neighborhoods and along streets? This is embarrasing...if this is a DPU security idea, I've got to believe someone will prevail with some common sense. Time for somebody to put on their big boy pants and take charge.  >:(    
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 15, 2009, 04:01:52 PM
I guess, man.  I can understand them wanting to get RV's and tailgaters out of there so they can actually park cars there.  Once you can't of the Blackstock lot, things do kind of turn into a headache for those that drive down.  You're either going to end up over at the Walden or way out between Hogate and DX.  That's a hike, right there.

The security thing was a line I was fed in '07.  I agree that it's silly, but let's recall what administration we're talking about here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 15, 2009, 04:21:21 PM
Wes and D3_DPUFan, I don't like the 10 AM parking lot rule either.  The thing I don't get is DePauw has by far the biggest amount of tailgating going on game days (put Monon aside) of any other school I have been to so far.  There are 100's of students and parents in the parking lot between 9 and 10.  So why impact the biggest fanbase game of the year with some stupid 10 AM rule.  Sell more tickets and hire more law enforcement.  It's got to be a break even at worse.  From what I saw in 07, there was a lot of law enforcement around anyway.  I don't understand.  I sent the SID a note last week asking about it and he forwarded to Page who has not got back to me.  This rule better not apply to the Art Center lot we were able to park RVs at in 07.  I plan on parking mine on Friday and setting up at 8 AM on Saturday.  I will let you know if Cotton ever emails me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 16, 2009, 10:17:08 AM
OK, I am ready for a football weekend.

Does anyone have the latest 'injury' report from Millsaps, especially on the QB contingent?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 16, 2009, 01:19:20 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on October 16, 2009, 10:17:08 AM
OK, I am ready for a football weekend.

Does anyone have the latest 'injury' report from Millsaps, especially on the QB contingent?


Chris Graves is good to go after suffering a laceration on his face. He actually could've gone back in at Huntingdon, but was held out to concentrate on this weekend's SCAC contest. Sean Murphy, the backup, is done for a couple weeks after bruising his sternum, so third-string QB Konner Joplin will play backup this week against Rhodes. If Graves goes down again, Millsaps is in serious trouble, as they have ZERO depth at the quarterback spot. We also lost DL James Tryforos for the year with an injury, but I'm not sure what. Add that to the list of Kyle Hughes and Lee Klein and we're lacking some strong bodies up front.

I predict a 41-28 Millsaps win in Jackson on Saturday to keep a 4th-straight SCAC Championship alive!

There's also a preview of this weekend's game here:
http://gomajors.com/news/2009/10/15/FB_1015093243.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2009, 03:34:28 PM
I think you're being pretty kind.  Rhodes hasn't shown much this year and has been blown out by all of the contenders so far.  48-17 'saps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 17, 2009, 02:51:15 PM
14-0 Millsaps over Rhodes with 3:30 left in the first half.  Millsaps had a pick six to go up by 14...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2009, 02:59:50 PM
Trinity up 21-0 on Sewanee with 1:15 to play in the first quarter.  TU has scored on a 30-yard TD by Baer, a 26-yard reception by Urban, and a 32-yard rush from Furlow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2009, 03:29:55 PM
BSC recovers a fumble just before halftime and get a 25-yd pass from Thigpen to Watts to tie it at 21.  The 'roos have turned the ball over four times in the first half.

Trinity now up 30-0 on Sewanee, have added a safety and a short Baer run.   Sewanee gets a couple of first downs to run out the clock in the first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 17, 2009, 03:33:49 PM
AC really just keeps shooting themselves in the foot with turnovers and badly timed penalties.  The 'Roos have given it away four times on fumbles, with two of those leading directly to BSC scores.  The Panthers are looking pretty solid, but AC should really be up at least 14 right now.  They've really been dominating overall, and their turnovers are just killing them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 17, 2009, 07:06:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2009, 03:34:28 PM
I think you're being pretty kind.  Rhodes hasn't shown much this year and has been blown out by all of the contenders so far.  48-17 'saps.

Still being kind? Millsaps wins 38-22 thanks to an 84-yard interception return for a score. Other than that, we were awful.

If we play like that, Tyler Osterman or not, Centre blows us out next weekend in Jackson.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 17, 2009, 07:45:58 PM
It wasn't the best game I've seen Millsaps play and let's give credit to the Rhodes team for coming to play.  I also was impressed with the number of Rhodes fans who came to support their team.  

One thing that was obvious in the first half was the lack of energy on the Millsaps sideline in the first half.  At least there wasn't the level of energy that I've become accustomed to seeing.  Might be because the students are off for fall break so the crowd was small.  Maybe there was a little bit of a mental letdown after going the last 4 weeks with road games at Austin, DePauw, and Huntingdon sandwiched around a home game with Trinity.  Maybe there was some overlooking Rhodes and thinking about Centre.

Again, give credit to Rhodes for playing tough and also give credit to Millsaps for picking it up a good bit in the second half and pulling away for a comfortable win.  It's not an effort that will be good enough to beat Centre, and it's not the effort I expect to see when they play Centre next weekend with a Homecoming Crowd supporting a Millsaps team that must win next week to extend the consecutive SCAC Championships streak.

(After posting this, I made my first run through the photos I took at the game.  It's looks like I had an off day as well--I'll have to pick it up for the Centre game.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 17, 2009, 07:58:19 PM
Here's a note for Millsaps fans that I think you will all appreciate, especially the former players.

Next week is Homecoming which means they have the Sports Hall of Fame Ceremony.  I'm not sure who all will be inducted into the Hall of Fame, but I know the Distinguished Service Award will be given to long time Millsaps employee Cowboy Skinner.  What a great choice for the award!

Cowboy has worked at Millsaps for about 30 years, a streak that was interrupted by a brief retirement a few years back.  Most of those years have been served in the athletic department, doing those things before and after games and practices that are necessities but rarely get much recognition.  It's not just the work done, but the attitude and the pride taken in doing a job right, the pride he takes in the Millsaps athletes and teams--he's an important member of the Millsaps family and congratulations to those who are behind the selection of this year's award.  You could not have made a better selection.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 17, 2009, 09:12:20 PM
Fun day in San Antonio.  Got kinda hot in the stands.  Hotter on the field though.  Not much to say really.  Good day to be the home team in SA.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 17, 2009, 09:17:12 PM
The Majors will dominate Centre.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 17, 2009, 10:51:59 PM
More disappointment. Jekelish described it. But here's my version.

The team is better than it's been. But, oh the turnovers!!!

Playing at home in perfect weather on Homecoming, the QB throws three TD's and runs for 100yds and another TD, the team has 420 yards of offense, and loses, and it's not really the fault of the defense.  -  ugh...

But I'm still going to Memphis next week.

PS: Our punter/DB Josh Willis will undergo surgery for torn ACL on Thursday. Please keep him in mind.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 17, 2009, 11:24:31 PM
Millsaps will need to do a much better job in just about every area for next weeks game.

random notes:

1) Peters's TD intercept was outstanding and showed just hoiw he stays in the game
2) Punting was a bit off today..couldn't see if there was much pressure or just some unusually low and short punts for Lawrimore
3) Bowser is one heck of a player...would have liked to see more of him in the first half
4) Keep hoing we'll see a rout somewhere so maybe the rookie QB from Alabama will gety a snap or two
5) Good to see solid performances each week from kicker Rusolino, that must give the coaches some breathing room
6) The comment about lack of energy in the first half is spot on....players and crowd
7) "Heard" more from Coach Dubos this game than usual...he even jumped on a couple coaches this game...

Still glad to get the W and have the team with a positive mindset for Homecoming Saturday!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 17, 2009, 11:41:38 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on October 17, 2009, 11:24:31 PM
Millsaps will need to do a much better job in just about every area for next weeks game.

random notes:

1) Peters's TD intercept was outstanding and showed just hoiw he stays in the game
2) Punting was a bit off today..couldn't see if there was much pressure or just some unusually low and short punts for Lawrimore
3) Bowser is one heck of a player...would have liked to see more of him in the first half
4) Keep hoing we'll see a rout somewhere so maybe the rookie QB from Alabama will gety a snap or two
5) Good to see solid performances each week from kicker Rusolino, that must give the coaches some breathing room
6) The comment about lack of energy in the first half is spot on....players and crowd
7) "Heard" more from Coach Dubos this game than usual...he even jumped on a couple coaches this game...

Still glad to get the W and have the team with a positive mindset for Homecoming Saturday!



Strongly agree with all your points. And on #4, Caldwell is No. 5 on the depth chart, so he will not see time this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 18, 2009, 12:31:06 AM
Coach DuBose was more vocal during the game, and then he had the team laughing about something when they met on the field after the game.  I was too far away to catch the gist of his comments, but my suspicion is that he wanted to put this game behind the team as soon as possible and move on to preparing for Centre.  BTW, I noticed that the JV game for Monday has been cancelled.  It wouldn't surprise me if this was because the full focus needs to be on Centre this week.

You know, it wasn't too long ago that Millsaps fans would have been pleased with a 4-3 record, a 3-1 SCAC record, and a win over Trinity.  Now that level of success has some people wondering what's wrong.  In my mind, nothing is wrong.

Millsaps lost a lot of talent from the 2008 team, both on the field and also off the field with the loss of 4 coaches.  I have faith in the group that has replaced all this talent, but that's a lot of transition to absorb, especially with the most difficult schedule that I can remember at Millsaps:

---Millsaps lost in 2OT at MS College, a team that just move to 5-1 with today's win over #3 UMHB (the MS College loss was to an NAIA team).
---Millsaps lost by 2 at DePauw, a team that is 4-1 and returned almost all of thier starters from an 8-2 team in 2008.
---Millsaps lost 47-36 at Huntingdon, another 5-1 team with NCAA playoff hopes (lose was at UW-Oshgosh).  Millsaps was in good shape in this game until the starting QB was knocked out of the game midway through the 3rd quarter.

That's 3 road games against teams with legitimate NCAA playoff hopes.  Keep in mind that Millsaps has also played yet another 5-1 team in Trinity.  Maybe the 2008 team would have won all these games, maybe not.  It isn't important.  What's important is that Millsaps was right there close to victory against all these teams and now they have Centre for a home game. 

Millsaps needs to win the home games with Centre and BSC and take care of the Sewanee game on the road.  Do that and they are the SCAC champion.  Maybe a co-champion and with no guarantee of the AQ from the SCAC, but the SCAC Championship is nothing to sneeze at.  Win the next two games and that guarantees a championship.  This team can do that.  Add a win over BSC and that's momentum if the team does get an NCAA bid--and maybe a rematch with MS College. 

There's still a lot on the line and a lot to be gained over the last third of the season.  I have faith in Millsaps going 3-0 for the remainder of the regular season, and I have hope that they will get a chance to add more victories in the post season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 18, 2009, 11:46:22 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 18, 2009, 12:31:06 AM
BTW, I noticed that the JV game for Monday has been cancelled.  It wouldn't surprise me if this was because the full focus needs to be on Centre this week.


Frank,
I called the SID at Millsaps on Tuesday of last week, and he told me the JV game was cancelled due to the fact that Belhaven couldn't support a full team. Unfortunate for the young guys, because I know a lot of parents really enjoy the games and are sometimes the only times they see their son on the field. They will have one final game at MS College the 26th I believe at MS College, which has about 150 players so there shouldn't be a problem there.

Great win for MS College yesterday too, what a boost for the Choctaws seeking a postseason berth and ASC title.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 18, 2009, 12:42:06 PM
A shame for both the Millsaps and Belhaven players that the game won't be played.  It is needed experience for the players who will be counted on the future and a nice reward for the work that these guys are putting in at practice.  I've had people think that it's a little excessive/obsessive for me to take photos at JV games--then I point out to them that JV football is the second largest sports team at Millsaps.  Now if I start doing intramural games, that would be obsessive.

The October 26 game at MC is going to be a tough scheduling problem for me.  It's the busiest day of the month at my paying job and my time table is dependent on how quickly others get finished with various end of month stuff.  If at all possible, I'll be at the game to get a few more JV photos.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 18, 2009, 01:21:29 PM
INS_Major:

You are propbably right that the Fifth on the depth chart QB won't get any reps this year, just some wishes on my part.  This stems from the 'word' that the kid has a pocket awareness and a very strong arm coupled with a fast cehck off on the receivers...at least in practice!

   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 18, 2009, 01:30:15 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on October 18, 2009, 01:21:29 PM
INS_Major:

You are propbably right that the Fifth on the depth chart QB won't get any reps this year, just some wishes on my part.  This stems from the 'word' that the kid has a pocket awareness and a very strong arm coupled with a fast cehck off on the receivers...at least in practice!

   

He was also the 5A Player of the Year in Alabama last year, so I'd like to see him on the field soon as well. Just watching him in practice, he came into camp about 25 lbs heavier than his senior year, so that could be something to watch. He might be a talent down the road though.

Tyler Caldwell Bio: http://gomajors.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=513&path=football (http://gomajors.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=513&path=football)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on October 18, 2009, 03:06:14 PM
Fun homecoming marred by AC shooting themselves in the foot over and over.  They were clearly the better team and they simply gave it away.


I hope Gage now understands why you don't ever run a pointless play at the end of a half though he has been coaching long enough that he should have known better.  KNEE THE BALL!

geez. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 18, 2009, 03:22:31 PM

Random observations...

Centre has quietly won 10 straight games, the third longest win streak in DIII;

Centre is the homecoming game for both Millsaps and Trinity;

If the 5A Player of the Year in Alabama is 5th string...the Majors must have some depth!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 18, 2009, 04:11:34 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 18, 2009, 03:22:31 PM

If the 5A Player of the Year in Alabama is 5th string...the Majors must have some depth!


Negative, we just had 11 quarterbacks in fall camp after losing an All-American. He is 5th out of that crew behind Graves, Murphy, Joplin and Nolan. Murphy and Joplin just threw their first career passes at Huntingdon after Graves got injured, so we have eight QBs with no collegiate experience at all and two more with a combined 14 passes and two interceptions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 18, 2009, 05:03:00 PM
Blackstock lot will open at 9 AM for Monon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on October 18, 2009, 05:19:39 PM
Quote from: KentATM on October 18, 2009, 03:06:14 PM
Fun homecoming marred by AC shooting themselves in the foot over and over.  They were clearly the better team and they simply gave it away.


I hope Gage now understands why you don't ever run a pointless play at the end of a half though he has been coaching long enough that he should have known better.  KNEE THE BALL!

geez. 


I agree they shot themselves in the foot, but I liked the call at the end of the half. BSC had'nt really stopped us all day and we had the ball at the 43 with 51 seconds to go. The play call was a hand-off not a pass,double reverse, or some other risky call. It was aggressive but there is nothing wrong with that.

I feel bad for our boys ,who for the 3rd time this season lose a "tough one". It was a wonderful fall day with great entertaining football, but poor special teams and bad ball handling ruin an otherwise perfect homecoming. I have faith they can right the ship and finish strong,keep your heads up and GO ROO'S!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 18, 2009, 11:16:20 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on October 18, 2009, 04:11:34 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 18, 2009, 03:22:31 PM

If the 5A Player of the Year in Alabama is 5th string...the Majors must have some depth!


Negative, we just had 11 quarterbacks in fall camp after losing an All-American. He is 5th out of that crew behind Graves, Murphy, Joplin and Nolan. Murphy and Joplin just threw their first career passes at Huntingdon after Graves got injured, so we have eight QBs with no collegiate experience at all and two more with a combined 14 passes and two interceptions.

5A player of the year from any states rarely end up in D3.  This kid must be an interesting story. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 19, 2009, 12:39:45 AM
I recall (and can't find) reading a story that said he always wanted to play for Coach Dubos.  Events happened, he was courted by Ole Miss and others but decided to do what he had always wanted....learn under Dubos.

All:  feel free to edit or correct this story....

With due respect to the current depth chart leaders, I wish real life was a video game and I could put a QB in for a series or two just to see how they perform under pressure.   At least it is nice to have one eye looking at next year.

While on the 'respect' topic.....I give the current Millsaps squad plenty of it and appreciate the challenges they have had and how there current records and stats are very respectable, especially in context, so when we analyze strenghts or point out weaknesses, there is no disrespect intended....only opinions, observations, wishes and 'fan-coaching' talk.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2009, 10:19:07 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 13, 2009, 09:44:32 AM
Knowing that Ralph or Ron will eventually get around to finding these links on Millsaps freshman quarterback Tyler Caldwell, I'll save them the time:

http://www.cullmantimes.com/localsports/local_story_199003521.html


http://hsalabama.scout.com/2/819565.html

He certainly sounds like a strong candidate to start for Millsaps in the future.  How soon that future will come is the big question mark.

Here's the post made back in August about Tyler Caldwell--I haven't check to see if the links are still active.

I've seen Tyler play in a couple of JV games.  He does have a strong arm and based on what he did in high school, I'm sure the coaches are excited about his potential.  I suspect the Millsaps coaches wanted to get through the year without playing any of the freshmen QB's unless it was obvious that one should have been the starter or the clear backup QB.  Take the case of Konner Joplin who has played.  He was played out of necessity in the Huntingdon game, and played a little against Rhodes.  That's a little bit of experience but it is also a year of college eligibility (spelling?).

I remember that Brent Buffa came to Millsaps with only one year left on his college baseball career because he had played in one game as a freshman.  My nephew played some mop up seconds at Davidson College as a freshman basketball player, less than a couple of minutes which meant he only had 3 years left when he transferred to Millsaps.  Sure he graduated after those 3 years, but then he went through the MBA program at Millsaps so he was at the school a 4th year.  He had to help coach instead of play because of those insignificant minutes at Davidson.

There are so many factors regarding who plays when.  Maybe Konner is the best of the freshmen at this point.  Maybe they wanted to play Konner because his freshman brother Kegan is already contributing at the receiver position.  Maybe it comes down to who is majoring in business and therefore is most likely to be at Millsaps for a 5th year because of the MBA program.  Ultimately, I believe there are several of these freshmen who could start at Millsaps in the future and it will come down to which one of them will work the hardest to become physically and mentally prepared for the role.  There are too many talented guys waiting in the wings for anyone to get the starter role without working their tail off.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 19, 2009, 10:45:03 AM
I know it doesn't have anything to do with the SCAC...but that is a great pic on the front of the site (St. John's player diving for the pylon)... :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 19, 2009, 02:22:34 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on October 19, 2009, 12:39:45 AM
I recall (and can't find) reading a story that said he always wanted to play for Coach Dubos.  Events happened, he was courted by Ole Miss and others but decided to do what he had always wanted....learn under Dubos.

All:  feel free to edit or correct this story....


It's Mike DuBose, not Dubos... only thing I saw. ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 19, 2009, 05:46:29 PM
thanks...got a friend named Dubos and when I get to typing never know what comes out...!!


That insight on the freshaman QBs and saving eligibility made sense; I hadn't even thought about that in this case for some reason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2009, 07:23:18 PM
You're not allowed to redshirt ("save eligibility") in Division III except for medical/hardship reasons any more.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2009, 07:23:18 PM
You're not allowed to redshirt ("save eligibility") in Division III except for medical/hardship reasons any more.  

Ron, I trust your knowledge on this more than mine so could you educate me (and probably others).

If you are practicing with a sports team in D3 but do not play, does that still count as one of your 4 years?  If not, then what about if you practice and only play on a JV team. 

Also, if you are a sophomore like Millsaps receiver Jason O'Rear who played basketball his freshman year and now is playing football for the first time this year, does that mean he could still get in 4 years of football if it is in the 5 year time stretch?

And finally, lets say a guy plays one sport for 4 years, is he then eligible to play a 5th year of D3 athletics if he wants to switch over to another sport?

Thanks in advance for the info.  (Opps, one more question.  If a guy played tennis at Millsaps for one season in 1970-71, his sophomore year, and only spent 4 years in school, does that person have any eligibility left for a comeback attempt?)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2009, 08:23:50 PM
Frank, I love your questions because they force me to actually investigate things that I've heard over the years.

Pat or someone with more knowledge can weigh in, but my belief is that you have four seasons in a particular sport and JV or simply practicing with a team counts as athletic participation.   If not then the ban on redshirting would be pointless.  

That said there is also a "ten semester rule" and I know that I have seen athletes use up eligibility in one sport (say soccer) and play a final semester in another (e.g. football).   Someone with more knowledge can explain what this means.   This would seem to apply towards your example with Mr. O'Rear. 

I found this NCAA powerpoint presentation (http://www.ncaagetinthegame.org/resources/PutmeinCoach.ppt) that summarizes some of the issues.   It specifically says that practice at any level counts:

14.2.4.1 Minimum Amount of Participation Effective Date: Aug 01, 2007
A season of intercollegiate participation shall be counted when a student-athlete participates (practices or competes) during or after the first contest in the traditional segment following the student-athlete's initial participation of that academic year at that institution or when the student-athlete engages in intercollegiate competition during the nontraditional segment.  This provision is applicable to intercollegiate athletics participation (practice or competition) conducted by a Division III collegiate institution at the varsity, junior varsity or freshman team level.


Re the guy that played one year, I think that as long as he met the other requirements (maybe he's enrolled full-time in a masters' program now) that he would have eligibility left in Division III.  The ten semester rule might limit him to one year, not sure.  Athletic eligibility in D3 presumes the student athlete is making significant progress towards a degree.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 20, 2009, 12:11:49 AM
That's correct, Ron.  Some of you who make the trip over to the basketball board with us in the winter will recall DePauw women's basketball player Liz Bondi.  She played tennis for 4 years, started playing basketball as a junior in 03-04, but ended up with 3 years of eligibility and played as a senior in 04-05 and then again in 05-06.  I believe that fell under the ten semester rule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 20, 2009, 01:10:09 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2009, 07:55:41 PM
If you are practicing with a sports team in D3 but do not play, does that still count as one of your 4 years?  If not, then what about if you practice and only play on a JV team. 

This is exactly what redshirting is, and that is indeed prohibited. Same if you play only JV.

In the O'Rear situation you mention, he could finish four years of football that way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2009, 07:01:10 AM
Thanks to all for the information.  Let me ask two more questions:

1)  Based on the date of the rule quoted in Ron's post, is this something that went into effect starting in the 2007-08 school year?

2)  Does a player still have 5 years to play 4 years of a particular sport?  In this case lets say a student plays baseball his freshman year, doesn't go out for the team his sophomore year, and then takes up playing again as a junior.  Instead of for medical reasons, maybe the player simply sat out a year because of disinterest, a family situation, to focus on academics, etc.  When that players comes back for his junior year, does he still have 3 years of eligibility if he meets all of the qualifications of working towards his degree and all?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2009, 08:14:16 AM
D3 redshirting (except medical/hardship) was eliminated in the 2004-5 season (http://media.www.easttennessean.com/media/storage/paper203/news/2004/01/15/Sports/Division.Iii.Schools.Scrap.Their.Redshirt.Policy.In.Fall-581239.shtml).  The 2007 rule was probably issued to clarify what counted and what didn't as participation.

I'll defer to the experts on the exact scenario you posit, but the article quoted above says "[...] all Division III athletes will be on the clock to play four consecutive seasons, barring hardship waivers."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 20, 2009, 12:18:15 PM
A couple of huge games this weekend with big playoff implications on the line.  Thoughts on Millsaps vs. Centre and Trinity vs. Depauw?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 20, 2009, 12:37:35 PM
DePauw obviously has to get the Trinity monkey off its back this week.  At home, playoff spot on the line, they have to get it done.  Offensively, DePauw should score.  The burden, as always, falls to the defense.  Trinity has good talent at the skills except I don't know anything about their QB.  And it seems their line is young and lost a few from last year.  DePauw hasn't allowed any one to run on them.  If that can continue, DePauw should be able to contain the passing game.  I base this on thinking their skills aren't as good as Millsaps.  So, DePauw should match up better.  Whether the off-week helps or hurts is always a guess.  I do know the team is healthy.
Regarding Millsaps, I don't see how Centre can be them at their place without their QB.  But, somehow, Centre seems to roll along.  I just think Millsaps has too much for them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 20, 2009, 02:56:35 PM
It seems like the Millsaps-Centre game comes down to one key factor:  Can Millsaps keep the game close in the early goings.  Look at the 3 games Millsaps has lost and the 1 game they almost lost:

MS College--Millsaps was down 3-24 before tieing the game up and losing in 2 OT

Austin--Millsaps was down 0-14 before coming back to win with a late FG

DePauw--Millsaps was down 0-16 before losing by 2 when the 2-point conversion failed near the end of the game.

Huntingdon--Millsaps down 0-14 before taking a lead.  Eventually lost the game when 1st and 2nd string QBs were knocked out of the game.

Is the play calling changing after Millsaps gets behind?  Is Millsaps doing a better job of making adjustments and that's allowing them to come back after falling behind by 2 TDs or more early in the game?  I don't know.  

By quarters, the overall scoring this season has been 38 points in the 1st, 51 points in the 2nd, 58 in the 3rd, and 70 in the 4th.  While statistics can be misleading or thrown out of whack by one or two games, it does seem like the Millsaps problem this year has been in getting the offense untracked against the better teams.  Let's not forget that Millsaps also only led Trinity 7-0 at the half.

The Millsaps offense can be very good once it gets rolling.  If they can get rolling early enough this Saturday, then Millsaps will be in very good shape to move into a tie for first place in the SCAC and to clinch at least a share of the SCAC title the following Saturday against Sewanee.  If they fall behind by 2 TD's early, then it's going to be a long climb to get back on top.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 20, 2009, 03:09:15 PM
QuoteDePauw obviously has to get the Trinity monkey off its back this week.  At home, playoff spot on the line, they have to get it done.  Offensively, DePauw should score.  The burden, as always, falls to the defense.  Trinity has good talent at the skills except I don't know anything about their QB.  And it seems their line is young and lost a few from last year.  DePauw hasn't allowed any one to run on them.  If that can continue, DePauw should be able to contain the passing game.  I base this on thinking their skills aren't as good as Millsaps.  So, DePauw should match up better.  Whether the off-week helps or hurts is always a guess.  I do know the team is healthy.
Regarding Millsaps, I don't see how Centre can be them at their place without their QB.  But, somehow, Centre seems to roll along.  I just think Millsaps has too much for them.

Pretty good analysis Fripp. As you say, the bottom line is DePauw just has to get the job done. They needed to get it done against Millsaps and did. Time to do it again, no excuses.

DePauw piled up lots of yards and some points last year---even with all of their RB's hurt---in San Antonio, home of "home cooking". BTW, if any of the officials from that game are working anything higher than CYO level, something is seriously wrong. On second thought, CYO level may be a bit high:)

Trinity will bring talented kids to Greencastle, with the QB position perhaps being a question mark (guessing here) so I think it will be really important for the DPU defense to get some stops early (as they did against Millsaps). I like our defense a lot and if they play with energy that will obviously be a good thing.

I like the way the Indiana Tigers match up in this one, but good teams/programs like Trinity have a way of bringing it regardless of the situation...as it should be.

Looking forward to a great college football game!

   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 20, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
"Randomness" from Rooski

>At the end of last season I {and others} complained about officiating. Don't know if it was addressed during the offseason but it seems to me to have improved. In case the improvement is actual - and not simply my perception - I fee compelled to acknowledge the change. It would be logical to think SCAC reviewed it as there are other clear signs of progress and striving for higher quality in SCAC sports. - Not easy to do when economics are so tight.

>I have seen Centre. I believe they are ready and determined win this conference. But their defense will need to lead them there.

>I hope DPU's Tigers are more concerned with "the bell" than the Roos when we go to Greencastle in November. Obviously, the way for AC to salvage a disappointing '09 would be to 1) hold on to the football, and 2) sneak up on a Tiger somewhere between now Sunday Nov 15th.

>After our trip to Indy I will have been to all the SCAC football venues at least once. {Actually, I think we were the last home game for BSU before they opened their new stadium so we did not see a game in there. And we did get to see a game at Colorado College before they quit.} And I have said it before but I will say it again. Stress to those around your programs the depth that is gained by going to the away games! It has added so, so, so much to our DIII experience. These are great institutions with a variety of history, tradition, settings, asthetics and style - and characters. It means so much to get to share it with your sons. ** If you have not been, find a way and go.

>I wish my son had more than three games left in his football career. I am going to miss watching him play. - I suspect there are other dads one among us with a similar sense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 20, 2009, 06:57:30 PM
Quote from: rooski on October 20, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
I fee compelled

I "feel" compelled...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 20, 2009, 07:39:59 PM
Quote from: rooski on October 20, 2009, 06:53:11 PM
"Randomness" from Rooski
...

>I wish my son had more than three games left in his football career. I am going to miss watching him play. - I suspect there are other dads one among us with a similar sense.


Rooski, let me share this link to the "Reflections" message board on the baseball side.  The composer is the father of a Johns Hopkins baseball player.  (You may want to consider getting that Kleenex handy when the impending rampant ragweed pollen flurry starts affecting your eyes.   ;)  )

http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=6432.0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 20, 2009, 11:33:38 PM
Thanks for that link, Ralph.  Never would have found that without your help.

It's been a fun eleven years of watching our son play football ... and now, just four more games to go.  After that, as Mr. Smith said, "we don't have to go to games if the weather is bad."  Truly, I think we're all ready to move on ... I know he is.  It will be time to put the pads down for the last time and move on to the next phase of life.  We've had some great memories over these past seasons, but there's more ahead to make, just in a different way.

Rooski, I guess you and I should meet on the field at Austin College after the TU-AC game.  I'm guessing the allergies will be pretty high that evening, don't you think?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on October 20, 2009, 11:48:46 PM
Rooski, check your message.  I can assure you there are others that feel the same way.  The last couple of weeks I have realized how fast it all goes.

Others will miss your son and wish he had more time.  He is an outstanding football player.  But I think he is  a better young man.  Most definitely a class act.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 21, 2009, 09:47:40 AM
Question to the message board:  

Is this the most important regular season weekend in SCAC Football history?

Think about it.  There are two teams that can basically win at least a share of the SCAC Championship with a win this weekend.  There are two teams that still have a good shot at the SCAC Championship but they go head-to-head and one will eliminate the other.  

Here's my breakdown of the 4 teams with hopes for a title:

Millsaps--A win over Centre this weekend and they have at least a share of the SCAC Championship pending a probable win at Sewanee.

Centre--A win at Millsaps and Centre just about clinches at least a share of the crown while keeping alive their hopes for the outright championship.  Centre still has a home game with Rhodes and a road trip to Trinity.

DePauw--Unlike Millsaps, Trinity and Centre, the DePauw team does not control their destiny regarding the SCAC title.  Their hopes are dependent on someone else beating Centre.  They also are in a must win situation this weekend in order to share in the SCAC Championship since 2 losses won't win the title.  Down the road they have a home game with Austin, not an easy game in my opinion.

Trinity--While having the toughest schedule left of the 4 contenders, Trinity does control it's own destiny.  Sandwich road wins at DePauw and Austin around a home win against Centre and Trinity can do no worse than a tie for first place in the SCAC.  Like DePauw, a loss this weekend just about ends Trinity's hope for a title.

It's going to be a great weekend for SCAC football and I hope the fans turn out to support all these teams in their quest for a championship.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 21, 2009, 07:15:18 PM
Anyone on here ever notice that the "Around the South" Region is always last in the weekly column?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2009, 07:58:30 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on October 21, 2009, 07:15:18 PM
Anyone on here ever notice that the "Around the South" Region is always last in the weekly column?
Yes, but I am glad that Pat Coleman was able to find someone to do the job, since Ron Boerger reliquinshed the mantle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2009, 12:20:04 AM
Umm, it's been several years since I did it.  And I think Jason does a better job - quality is worth waiting for an extra day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 22, 2009, 01:43:31 AM
You just might be right, Frank.  We're going to learn a heckuva lot about the Pool A on Saturday.  Obviously DePauw has to have the win this Saturday or else the season is over until Monon.  There just isn't any chance that a two loss DePauw team who plays only 9 games is going to get in.  It just isn't happening. 

I get my first live look at the 2009 DePauw team this Saturday and I'm pretty excited about it.  Those of you in attendance will be able to enjoy my sultry tones on the public address.  I believe that if any DePauw team is going to beat any Trinity team, this is going to be the one.  I thought that 2005 was going to be the one until Hurricane Rita, but I like this year's version even more than that one.

It won't be easy for DePauw.  Have two toughies against Trinity & Austin, and a roadie against a REALLY good BSC team in the middle.  If you get through that gauntlet, you've still got to win Monon to get to 8-1.  I'm not particularly confident in that number, particularly with what Anderson is doing.  They are killing DePauw's OWP.  I think DePauw needs Centre to lose those two roadies at Millsaps & Trinity just to be safe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 22, 2009, 05:04:32 AM
Wes,

Millsaps obviously has the "easiest" schedule from here on out in regards to the top 4 SCAC teams with the home game against Centre and the road trip to Sewanee.  Yes, they have the game with BSC but that game doesn't count in the standings and I don't think it factors into the SCAC tiebreaker for the AQ, plus Millsaps lost any NCAA at-large chance with the 2OT loss against MC.

Centre has a tougher schedule with the road trips to Millsaps and Trinity and the home game with Rhodes, but they also have a 1-game lead in the SCAC race.  That gives them a mulligan for the SCAC co-championship if they don't get a win this weekend.  

DePauw has a really tough group of games left and even if they finish 8-1, that's no guarantee of an at-large berth.  It looks like the most likely path for DePauw to get to the NCAA Playoffs is a 2-way tie at the top between DePauw and Millsaps.  Likewise, I would prefer that to be a 2-way tie between Millsaps and Trinity where the head-to-head would put Millsaps in the playoffs and probably travelling back to MS College.

As for Trinity, it is not going to surprise me if they do get wins over DePauw, Centre and Austin even though all of those are tough games.  Trinity opened up with 4 games on the road, the last being that awful looking game at Millsaps.  Since then they have been a home for a bye week and two big wins (41-14 over BSC and 40-0 over Sewanee).  I suspect they will be a much better team this weekend than what I saw of them in Jackson.

Finally Wes, congratulations on your 1,000th post which will be your next post.  Over the years I have greatly appreciated your insights into DePauw athletics, SCAC action, and D3 sports in general.  Thanks for all you have added to the conversation.

(PS--Now that I think about it, a Millsaps win Saturday coupled with a DePauw loss gives Millsaps the AQ if the Majors win at Sewanee.  DePauw would have 2 losses, Millsaps would have the head-to-head over both Centre and Trinity, the only other teams that would then be able to finish the year with only 1 loss.

OR, if Centre and DePauw win this week, then Centre will clinch the AQ with a win over Rhodes next weekend--Millsaps and Trinity would have two losses and even if Centre lost at Trinity, they would have the head-to-head over DePauw.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 22, 2009, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2009, 07:58:30 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on October 21, 2009, 07:15:18 PM
Anyone on here ever notice that the "Around the South" Region is always last in the weekly column?
Yes, but I am glad that Pat Coleman was able to find someone to do the job, since Ron Boerger reliquinshed the mantle.

Sorry that I have been so late guys. It's been a busy Fall for me with travel and teaching at a new high school this year (grading papers, more planning,etc). My daughter also has soccer practice on Tuesday night. At any rate, I really enjoy doing did and appreciate your responses and feedback.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 22, 2009, 10:24:21 AM
Quote from: Conrad on October 22, 2009, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2009, 07:58:30 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on October 21, 2009, 07:15:18 PM
Anyone on here ever notice that the "Around the South" Region is always last in the weekly column?
Yes, but I am glad that Pat Coleman was able to find someone to do the job, since Ron Boerger reliquinshed the mantle.

Sorry that I have been so late guys. It's been a busy Fall for me with travel and teaching at a new high school this year (grading papers, more planning,etc). My daughter also has soccer practice on Tuesday night. At any rate, I really enjoy doing did and appreciate your responses and feedback.

You do a great job Jason.  I think everyone enjoys your column each week.  With everything on your plate, we appreciate you still taking time to do it each week!  I guess some are just excited to have something else to read leading up to the weekend other than work!  Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 22, 2009, 10:28:46 AM
Quote from: Conrad on October 22, 2009, 09:55:34 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 21, 2009, 07:58:30 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on October 21, 2009, 07:15:18 PM
Anyone on here ever notice that the "Around the South" Region is always last in the weekly column?
Yes, but I am glad that Pat Coleman was able to find someone to do the job, since Ron Boerger reliquinshed the mantle.

Sorry that I have been so late guys. It's been a busy Fall for me with travel and teaching at a new high school this year (grading papers, more planning,etc). My daughter also has soccer practice on Tuesday night. At any rate, I really enjoy doing did and appreciate your responses and feedback.

I was just curious in why it had always been the last one posted the last few years. No big deal. I also appreciate you taking the time to do it and enjoy reading it each week. It gives me something to look forward to in regards to what's going on "Around the South."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 22, 2009, 11:30:38 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 22, 2009, 01:43:31 AM
I get my first live look at the 2009 DePauw team this Saturday and I'm pretty excited about it.  Those of you in attendance will be able to enjoy my sultry tones on the public address. 

Wes, my family and I will be there for our last "big" road trip ... I'll try to climb up to the pressbox to say hello when I check on Big Bob and the Trinity webcast team.

Hope TU can continue their run over the Indiana Tigers ... I'm sure it will be a tough game for both teams.  As was earlier noted, Trinity did have a brutal 4-game stretch of road trips to start the season and had several injuries at QB that slowed their offensive learning curve.  The situation seems to be stabilized now and the young O-line has been moving some bodies lately.  Of course, we hope that will continue.  It will be interesting to see how the Black Flag handles DPU's high-powered and experienced offense on Saturday. 

Either way,  I will guarantee a Tiger win this week.  Hope it's the guys in maroon & white!
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 22, 2009, 12:34:23 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on October 22, 2009, 10:28:46 AM
I was just curious in why it had always been the last one posted the last few years. No big deal. I also appreciate you taking the time to do it and enjoy reading it each week. It gives me something to look forward to in regards to what's going on "Around the South."

Well, of course, it isn't always the last one posted. East is just as often the last one in. Two weeks ago there wasn't even a West column filed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 22, 2009, 12:46:47 PM
Looks like there may be a wet field and cool weather for the game in Greencastle:

http://weather.yahoo.com/Greencastle-Indiana-United-States/USIN0251/forecast.html

The forecast for Jackson is sunny with a high in the mid-60's--should be a great day for Homecoming and the big showdown with Centre.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 22, 2009, 06:29:13 PM
Ralph,  Thanks for the feedback. I enjoyed the "Reflections" and like Tigerdad said, I would have never run across that.

Tigerdad, I will send you a PM the week of our AC/TU matchup {or is it TU/AC???} to suggest a postgame allergy session location. I hope to get to meet Chris as well.

FBCleatus, We appreciate your kind words about our boy. It really is an honor to be around these Kangaroos - and their families.

Last weekend I sat with Zach Swirczynski's dad at the game. {Most of you know Zach died suddenly one February evening on the AC campus and was a member of the football team.} He and his family are attending the games that Zach would have been a part of until his class graduates. They are close to many of the boys and appreciate the support they have received from the team and the school. What a mighty example of how much these "games" can come to mean to us. And a reminder of what a blessing it is to be able to traverse a season or career with our sons and their teammates.  -  I love this game and these young men. That is why I try to speak with players and parents of the opponents afterward so that they know we are really all in this together - raising sons into quality men.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2009, 09:40:12 AM
I've put a poll up for the two games this weekend.  Here's an observation from K-Mack, from the week's Triple Take (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/10/23/triple-take-week-8-clashes-among-top-25s/):

Keith's take: Trinity (Texas) at DePauw. Are we dissing teams now? It's not that the shine is completely off the ol' Tiger-Tiger matchup, because it isn't. But it has competition for biggest SCAC game of the day, which was unanticipated earlier in the year. It's hard to believe that if the results break right, with Centre beating Millsaps and DePauw winning, that the Colonels could have the conference virtually won in Week 8.

For those who like to look at such things, here are the NCAA stats for the SCAC (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/conf%20stats/2009000000835TD.HTML).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2009, 11:43:01 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2009, 09:40:12 AM
I've put a poll up for the two games this weekend.  Here's an observation from K-Mack, from the week's Triple Take (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/10/23/triple-take-week-8-clashes-among-top-25s/):

Keith's take: Trinity (Texas) at DePauw. Are we dissing teams now? It's not that the shine is completely off the ol' Tiger-Tiger matchup, because it isn't. But it has competition for biggest SCAC game of the day, which was unanticipated earlier in the year. It's hard to believe that if the results break right, with Centre beating Millsaps and DePauw winning, that the Colonels could have the conference virtually won in Week 8.

For those who like to look at such things, here are the NCAA stats for the SCAC (http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/2009/Internet/conf%20stats/2009000000835TD.HTML).

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OR, with Millsaps and Trinity winning, Millsaps could have the conference virtually won in Week 8 (I assume this discussion is about the AQ since Centre couldn't lock up sole possession of the SCAC title without later winning at Trinity--no easy task).  DePauw would have 2 losses, Millsaps would only have one loss if they beat Sewanee next week, and the winner between Trinity and Centre would lose the head-to-head with Millsaps.  

So it makes an interesting question.  Barring a tie, there are 4 possible outcomes of the Millsaps-Centre and Trinity-DePauw combo.  Of the two that would basically decide the AQ for the SCAC this year, which is the more likely:

A)  Millsaps wins at home over Centre, Trinity wins on the road at DePauw (Millsaps wins the AQ if they beat Sewanee)

B) DePauw wins at home over Trinity, Centre wins on the road at Millsaps (Centre wins AQ if they then beat either Rhodes or Trinity)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2009, 12:08:12 PM
When looking at the Triple Take this week (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/10/23/triple-take-week-8-clashes-among-top-25s/), I was actually surprised that no one had Centre as the "Most Likely Top 25 Team to Get Upset". 

I understand that Centre is 6-0 and Millsaps is 4-3, but Millsaps is the home team and Centre just squeeked by BSC 14-13 the last time they went on the road.  The Millsaps losses have all been on the road to very good teams--a 2OT game at MS College (didn't they just beat then #3 UMHB), a 2-point loss at DePauw, and the loss at Huntingdon when the loss of the top 2 QBs was a factor.  And with Millsaps being a 3-time defending SCAC champion, it seems like this would be a game where maybe the idea of a Millsaps victory shouldn't be view as an upset.

Not that it matters one way or another, but it's just seems like someone would have picked this game as the most likely upset.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 23, 2009, 12:09:52 PM
QuoteOR, with Millsaps and Trinity winning, Millsaps could have the conference virtually won in Week 8 (I assume this discussion is about the AQ since Centre couldn't lock up sole possession of the SCAC title without later winning at Trinity--no easy task).  DePauw would have 2 losses, Millsaps would only have one loss if they beat Sewanee next week, and the winner between Trinity and Centre would lose the head-to-head with Millsaps.  

So it makes an interesting question.  Barring a tie, there are 4 possible outcomes of the Millsaps-Centre and Trinity-DePauw combo.  Of the two that would basically decide the AQ for the SCAC this year, which is the more likely:

A)  Millsaps wins at home over Centre, Trinity wins on the road at DePauw (Millsaps wins the AQ if they beat Sewanee)

B) DePauw wins at home over Trinity, Centre wins on the road at Millsaps (Centre wins AQ if they then beat either Rhodes or Trinity)

OR...

Avoid the mind numbing headaches and wait to see which teams show up to play football tomorrow. We will have a much better (though not complete) picture tomorrow evening. Those who make plays will be smiling when the day is done.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2009, 12:30:08 PM
Geez - only four votes so far??  

I guess the key for Trinity to defeat DPU this weekend is to control Spud and the DePauw passing attack, no easy matter.  TU struggled to contain the throw early in the season but has improved as of late; the question is the improvement real or is it a factor of who they've played.  A little of both, probably.  Alex Koors will be a tough cover.  Trinity will also have to run the ball at least somewhat effectively, again something the young OL seems to be doing better with more repetition.    One place Trinity has a solid advantage is on special teams, with the kicking game a strong point.   That can turn the tide in a close game, but you have to stay close for it to be a factor ...  

I can see Trinity winning but only if they play their best game of the season.  The road, the weather, and the quality of the opponent make them a decided underdog tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 23, 2009, 01:35:09 PM
I
Quoteguess the key for Trinity to defeat DPU this weekend is to control Spud and the DePauw passing attack, no easy matter.  TU struggled to contain the throw early in the season but has improved as of late; the question is the improvement real or is it a factor of who they've played.  A little of both, probably.  Alex Koors will be a tough cover.  Trinity will also have to run the ball at least somewhat effectively, again something the young OL seems to be doing better with more repetition.    One place Trinity has a solid advantage is on special teams, with the kicking game a strong point.   That can turn the tide in a close game, but you have to stay close for it to be a factor ... 

I can see Trinity winning but only if they play their best game of the season.  The road, the weather, and the quality of the opponent make them a decided underdog tomorrow.

Ron,
I think it is shaping up to be a very good college football game...not taking anything away from Trinity's special teams play, I would says DePauw has a really good kicking game as well; Havercamp had 3 FG's in the Millsaps game, including a 41 yarder that proved to be the difference...and Hill has been punting very well...just sayin'... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2009, 02:18:34 PM
TU P Trella is ranked #3 nationally with a 43.5 yd average (Hill, 37.4, 53rd); TU net punting is ninth nationally (DPU, 86th); PK Biel is tied for the lead in FGs/game (11-13, nearly two per game) and has a 48, a 47, and a 43 yarder to his credit.   In terms of returns, both TU's punt returns (tops in conference) and kick returns (third in conference) lead DPU (fifth in conference in both categories).    DePauw does a better job on kick and punt return coverage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 23, 2009, 05:29:25 PM
QuoteTU P Trella is ranked #3 nationally with a 43.5 yd average (Hill, 37.4, 53rd); TU net punting is ninth nationally (DPU, 86th); PK Biel is tied for the lead in FGs/game (11-13, nearly two per game) and has a 48, a 47, and a 43 yarder to his credit.   In terms of returns, both TU's punt returns (tops in conference) and kick returns (third in conference) lead DPU (fifth in conference in both categories).    DePauw does a better job on kick and punt return coverage.


All good stats...and I don't diminish at all what you are saying. I'm just telling you the DePauw kicking game is as good as any in the league. I would also say the number of FG's is not necessarily a good thing as most teams would rather score touchdowns.  ;) But in Trinity's case it does say that he's a good kicker because he makes them!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 23, 2009, 06:06:34 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 20, 2009, 12:11:49 AM
That's correct, Ron.  Some of you who make the trip over to the basketball board with us in the winter will recall DePauw women's basketball player Liz Bondi.  She played tennis for 4 years, started playing basketball as a junior in 03-04, but ended up with 3 years of eligibility and played as a senior in 04-05 and then again in 05-06.  I believe that fell under the ten semester rule.
And she was a tremendous player in both sports to boot!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 23, 2009, 06:15:27 PM
Quote from: exmajor on October 20, 2009, 12:18:15 PM
A couple of huge games this weekend with big playoff implications on the line.  Thoughts on Millsaps vs. Centre and Trinity vs. Depauw?
Don't stay as well plugged into the football board as basketball, but I'll give my 2 cents worth on the Centre-Millsaps tilt.  I think the excitement and the homecoming atmosphere at Millsaps will pose a challenging canvas tomorrow for Centre.  They've amazingly met every challenge so far this season.  They'll have to get off to a good start which has been their pattern.  I think their chances are diminished if Millsaps jumps out early to a 10-0 or 14-0 lead.  Defense will be an absolute key for Centre.  If I were betting on this game, I would say Millsaps wins 31-17.  Of course, I want the Colonels to win.  I think the Majors are pointed in a big way to this game - this in essence is their lever game that makes or breaks their season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 24, 2009, 08:29:51 AM
Quick Prediction:  Millsaps  24, Centre 23


Have a great Football Saturday, everyone!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2009, 09:42:51 AM
Getting ready to head up to Millsaps--taking photos starts early on Homecoming, but not so early that I got up for the 5K race that started somewhere around 8 a.m.

The photos from last week's Rhodes game are posting right now.  I did get up early to get those finished, wanting a clean slate for 1-2 hours before having a pile of photos to edit.  The photos should be loaded by 9 and I'll get the cheerleader and fan photos loaded this evening.  Here's the link:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MC2009-10/FB2009/FB101709/10070257_7GSGU#690773499_kpAPy

Also, link to Millsaps preview of today's game--calling it the biggest game at Millsaps since the 2006 Homecoming game against Trinity and I think that's an accurate description:

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2009/10/23/FB_1023094048.aspx

And of course, the link to the webcast which starts a little before 1:00 Central time is:

http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College

Hope everyone stays save today--the players, fans, officials and all those that are involved in putting all of this together.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 24, 2009, 09:50:41 AM
Many thanks Frank for the info and links - this makes life easier for those of us wanting to follow our respective teams. I wish I could break away for this afternoon game in Jackson today, but got too much happening in Memphis to do so. Will certainly try to follow bits & pieces on the web.

I'll simply conclude by saying "GO COLONELS"
;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2009, 01:20:29 PM
DPU 3, TU 0, 3:39 left in the first quarter. 34-yd FG by Havercamp

TU 3, DPU 3, 2:07 left in the first quarter, 37-yd FG by Biel.  (Staska had a 60-yd QB sneak as the big play.)

3-3 tie at the end of the first.


DPU 6, TU 3, 12:59 left in the second quarter, 22-yd FG by Havercamp.

TU 10, DPU 6, 0:30 left in the half.  Furlow 2-yd run. PAT good. Key play was a DPU offsides that saved a TU drive.  93-yd drive; 3 third down conversions including the penalty. 13 plays, 3:13
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2009, 02:25:03 PM
The other key on that TU drive was that Robert Davidson replaced Patrick Dickinson at QB.  He was 3-6 for 48 yards on the drive; Dickinson had only managed 25 yds on 2-of-7 up to that point.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 24, 2009, 02:47:26 PM
Majors on the board 1st 7-0 midway through 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2009, 02:50:24 PM
DPU 13, TU 10. Dick to Mulligan 3-yd TD pass. PAT good; 5:58 left 3rd Q.

TU returns the kickoff to their 44.  Davidson is the TU QB.

Three TU penalties have TU going 1st and 32 on the Trinity 34.

TU gets a delay of game.  3rd and 38 from the TU 28.

(I am leaving for the McMurry-TLU game.)  Thanks to the fans who will pick up here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 24, 2009, 04:08:48 PM
Millsaps all over Centre, 21-0, 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Colonel fans complaining about officiating a lot in the stands, but they're getting dominated by the Millsaps defense anyway you look at it. Come on Majors, hold on for the shutout!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2009, 04:12:09 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on October 24, 2009, 04:08:48 PM
Millsaps all over Centre, 21-0, 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Colonel fans complaining about officiating a lot in the stands, but they're getting dominated by the Millsaps defense anyway you look at it. Come on Majors, hold on for the shutout!

Aw c'mon.  UK Wildcats know what they are going to get in officiating when they come to MissState Bulldogs.

Doesn't that extrapolate to D-III?   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 24, 2009, 04:23:40 PM

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.  Trinity is shaky at quarterback and small in the trenches, which is why they can't hold up against the likes of Millsaps and DePauw.  They have great speed and skill in the secondary and at the ball handling positions, but the San Antonio Tigers are a second tier SCAC team this year.  The first tier is Millsas and DePauw.  The second tier is Trinity and Centre, which is shaping up to be a big game in the name of pride for the Tigers.  As I write, Millsaps is slowly choking the Colonels.

Congratulations to DePauw who has finally earned a victory over Trinity after so many years of frustration.  They should be our representative in the playoffs this year.

As for TU, who has not had two losses this early in the season since 1995, I salute you for never going down without a fight.  At least we know that the guys have higher test scores than our 2002 Stagg Bowl team.  I fear the worst about the nerdy future of the football program in the name of higher admission standards. 
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 24, 2009, 04:31:44 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on October 24, 2009, 04:08:48 PM
Millsaps all over Centre, 21-0, 10 minutes left in the 4th quarter. Colonel fans complaining about officiating a lot in the stands, but they're getting dominated by the Millsaps defense anyway you look at it. Come on Majors, hold on for the shutout!
Congratulations to the Majors on a well-played game on both sides of the ball.  They kept the Colonels frustrated throughout and simply stuffed any semblance of a run game that Centre tried to muster.  The best team won this game today. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2009, 04:41:42 PM
I wasn't able to follow the DPU game in the second half - what surprised me looking at the stats was the ease with which DePauw ran the ball today.  Congrats to Coach Long and the team for doing what no other DPU squad had been able to do before.   Win out and you may be able to get a home playoff game...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 24, 2009, 04:50:55 PM
Was a great WIN for the Majors today. WE dominated on both sides of the ball. While a shutout wasn't expected, it sure was sweet. Nice to know the Seniors have a shot at Conference title, wast the tune i was singing a few weeks ago. Congrats to DPU on a big win over Trinity. Just know im not pullin for ya!!!! LOL.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2009, 05:07:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2009, 04:41:42 PM
I wasn't able to follow the DPU game in the second half - what surprised me looking at the stats was the ease with which DePauw ran the ball today.  Congrats to Coach Long and the team for doing what no other DPU squad had been able to do before.   Win out and you may be able to get a home playoff game...

Yeah, a little surprise there, Ron.  I think Trinity's game plan was to make DePauw run the football to beat them.  They weren't going to let Koors and Mulligan get vertical on them.  Not a lot of blitzing and a ton of safety help over the top.  But, then that DePauw front 5 was able to put a hat on a hat and block 'em straight up.  TU wanted DePauw to beat them on the ground and they just flat did. 

Was not in love with the officiating today.  There were 4 or 5 times that the crew didn't any idea what was going on.  Mis-marked a couple penalties.  They said Davidson was out of the tackle box in the end zone, which might be one of the worst calls I've ever seen.  The end of the game was a disaster.  Nobody knew what down it was.  Nobody knew how many timeouts Trinity had.  They screwed up the clock on the final DePauw play.  Ugly stuff from that group today. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
SCAC tie-breaker

Quote2. In the case of two or more teams tying for the conference championship, each
team will be declared a co-champion and receive a trophy. To determine the
representative to NCAA postseason competition and the recipient of the conference's
automatic bid, the following criteria will be used as a tie-breaker:
A. Two teams – head-to-head result from conference game played.
B. Three teams – Using the following point system:
· Each team will be awarded two points for each victory against other
conference co-champions.
· Each team is awarded one point for each victory over other conference
teams not sharing the championship.
· In the event that both parts of Section B are applied and two teams are
still tied, the formula will revert back to Section A.
C. If Sections A and B cannot break the tie and there are still three teams
tied, then the team or teams with the fewest losses will be declared as the
recipient of the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams
have the equal number of losses, Section A is applied.
D. If there are still three teams tied with the same number of losses, then
the percentage of each team's opponents' total overall record will be used.
The team whose opponents have the higher win/loss percentage will receive
the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams remain throughout
any of these tie-breaking procedures. Section A is applied.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2009, 07:07:14 PM
Who wins the big games this weekend?

Centre and DePauw   -1 (6.3%)
Centre and Trinity-3 (18.8%)
Millsaps and DePauw-6 (37.5%)
Millsaps and Trinity-6 (37.5%)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2009, 07:59:15 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2009, 12:08:12 PM
When looking at the Triple Take this week (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/10/23/triple-take-week-8-clashes-among-top-25s/), I was actually surprised that no one had Centre as the "Most Likely Top 25 Team to Get Upset". 

Well, I got my pick right so don't look at me. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2009, 08:00:09 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2009, 05:57:47 PM
SCAC tie-breaker

Quote2. In the case of two or more teams tying for the conference championship, each
team will be declared a co-champion and receive a trophy. To determine the
representative to NCAA postseason competition and the recipient of the conference's
automatic bid, the following criteria will be used as a tie-breaker:
A. Two teams – head-to-head result from conference game played.
B. Three teams – Using the following point system:
· Each team will be awarded two points for each victory against other
conference co-champions.
· Each team is awarded one point for each victory over other conference
teams not sharing the championship.
· In the event that both parts of Section B are applied and two teams are
still tied, the formula will revert back to Section A.
C. If Sections A and B cannot break the tie and there are still three teams
tied, then the team or teams with the fewest losses will be declared as the
recipient of the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams
have the equal number of losses, Section A is applied.
D. If there are still three teams tied with the same number of losses, then
the percentage of each team's opponents' total overall record will be used.
The team whose opponents have the higher win/loss percentage will receive
the conference's automatic bid to the NCAAs. If two teams remain throughout
any of these tie-breaking procedures. Section A is applied.

Regarding the tiebreaker, it looks like Centre goes to the NCAA if they beat Trinity and DePauw goes if Trinity beat Centre.

Both teams only have 9 games this season so 8-1 is their best possible result.  Centre should win their home game with Rhodes so a win over Trinity would give Centre an 8-1 record and 5-1 in the SCAC.

Millsaps should win at Sewanee to finish 5-1 in the SCAC, but they have 3 losses to D3 teams so in a three way tie with Centre and DePauw, the 3 losses would knock Millsaps out.

DePauw has some work to do if they want to finish 8-1.  They have to win at BSC, and then win at home against Austin and Wabash.  Let's say they do all that and finish at 8-1--by the way I calculate it, Centre still goes to the NCAA Playoffs:

---In a 3 way tie between Millsaps, DePauw, and Centre the head-to-heads all cancel out and all three teams beat everyone else in the SCAC
---That means you go to the overall record, Millsaps is eliminated, and then Centre and DePauw go back to head-to-head.  That gives Centre the AQ.

So for DePauw, they really have to have Rhodes or Trinity beat Centre or else Centre gets the AQ.  If Millsaps loses at Sewanee, that really doesn't change anything on the AQ.  It really comes down to the Trinity-Centre game OR the possible but unlikely chance of Austin winning at DePauw.  An Austin win over DePauw puts Millsaps in the NCAA Playoffs, and while I respect Austin as an up and coming program, it just doesn't seem likely that they will knock off DePauw this year on the road.

That's the way I see the tiebreaker--someone else please check my thinking and correct my errors or confirm my applying of the rule. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2009, 08:18:32 PM
Let's look at the rest of the season for the contenders:

Millsaps (5-3, 4-1):

Defeated Centre 24-0, lost @ DePauw 27-29


Oct 31 @ Sewanee (0-4, 0-7)
Nov 7 bye
Nov 14 B-SC (0-0, 4-3)*

Millsaps clinches a tie for the championship with a win at hapless Sewanee (games against B-SC do not impact conference standings).    If Millsaps wins out, they hope Centre can also win out, otherwise they have no chance for the conference's automatic bid.  The Majors will not receive a pool C bid with three D3 losses.

DePauw (5-1, 4-1):

Defeated DePauw 29-27, lost to Centre 27-34


Oct 31 @ B-SC (0-0, 4-3)*
Nov 7 Austin (2-2, 4-3)
Nov 14 Wabash (6-1) Monon Bell **

Like Millsaps, the Tigers clinch a tie for the conference championship with a single win, but must do it against an Austin side that lost to the other two contenders by a total of eight points.  With the Monon Bell Classic coming up, Coach Long will have to focus his men on the task at hand.

Unlike Millsaps, DPU is a strong pool C candidate IF it can win out - but they would probably be happy to see the Colonels fall in their last game of the season.  

Centre (6-1, 3-1):

Won @ DePauw 34-24, lost @ Millsaps 24-0


Oct 31 Rhodes (0-4, 2-6)
Nov 7 at Trinity (5-2, 2-2)
Nov 14 bye

Centre needs to win both of its remaining games to clinch a tie for the conference championship.  Rhodes, on a six game losing streak, should not present much of a challenge at home, but in order to stay in the mix the Colonels will have to win their final game of the season at Trinity.  QB Tyler Osterman's absence (out for season with injury) could be sorely felt in San Antonio.

While the Colonel's SOS is currently higher than DePauw's, the lack of a signature win would make an 8-1 Centre less likely than a potential 8-1 DePauw to get a pool C bid.  DPU's SOS will also come up with wins against three teams that are currently .500 or better.  

* - game does not count in SCAC standings
** - non-conference game
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 24, 2009, 08:20:34 PM
Bottom line, if Millsaps wins at Sewanee and DePauw loses to Austin, then Millsaps gets the AQ. They would own the tiebreak with Centre, thus DePauw would have two conference losses. So, go 'Roos.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2009, 08:25:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 24, 2009, 07:59:15 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 23, 2009, 12:08:12 PM
When looking at the Triple Take this week (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/10/23/triple-take-week-8-clashes-among-top-25s/), I was actually surprised that no one had Centre as the "Most Likely Top 25 Team to Get Upset". 

Well, I got my pick right so don't look at me. :)

Pat, I know you would have gone with Millsaps winning if you hadn't seen a potential upset of a higher ranked opponent.

And speaking of Millsaps, while it seems unlikely that they are going to play in the NCAA Playoffs this season, it seems very likely that they will win their 4th straight SCAC Championship or Co-Championship.  Do I need to remind people that they were 2-7 in the season prior to this streak (1-5 in the SCAC), and those 2 wins were both 1-point victories?  What a remarkable job done by a lot of people involved with the Millsaps program.  I'm really proud to be associated with such a great group of players and coaches.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 24, 2009, 09:19:54 PM
Blah, blah, blah...if if if...calm down...it comes down to centre, depauw, millsaps and what they do. periiod. whoever shows up and makes plays wins. sit back and enjoy. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 24, 2009, 10:32:17 PM
I'm not sure if anyone needs calming down--it seemed more like information being conveyed rather than panic spreading through the SCAC.  It sort of seems like the if,if,ifs are a key element of a message board because once it gets past the if parts, the interest and the number of posts on the message board greatly diminishes.

At least that's the pattern I've observed in the past.  Unfortunately for Millsaps and DePauw, when it comes to their NCAA hopes in 2009, then need to make plays and win PLUS get some help from some Texas Tigers and Kangeroos. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 24, 2009, 10:48:01 PM
QuoteI'm not sure if anyone needs calming down--it seemed more like information being conveyed rather than panic spreading through the SCAC.  It sort of seems like the if,if,ifs are a key element of a message board because once it gets past the if parts, the interest and the number of posts on the message board greatly diminishes.

At least that's the pattern I've observed in the past.  Unfortunately for Millsaps and DePauw, when it comes to their NCAA hopes in 2009, then need to make plays and win PLUS get some help from some Texas Tigers and Kangeroos. 

Not quite sure what you were trying to say...but my statement stands...  :D To win the conference you will need to make some plays...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 24, 2009, 11:02:15 PM
It has been a long day, guys.....

Thanks to everyone for the explanations of the scenarios (what if's, if you will!) since it is a bit complex to keep up with.

Frank is right in that the mentle gymnastics of plotting the ramainder of the year adds to the discussion, not to mention the excitment of watching the games play themselves out!

___________________

The Millsaps shutout of Centre was fun to watch and the homecoming atmosphere made it even more enjoyable.  One discussion that took place in my car on the long drive home is the QB question for next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on October 25, 2009, 06:48:31 AM
I, for one, am loving the stepped up competition this year compared to the last three years in the SCAC. Its nice to see other teams getting in the mix outside of Trinity and Millsaps. Gone are the days of one team dominance in the SCAC. I think that the emergence of Millsaps and DPU has motivated other programs to step it up and will get the SCAC on the MAP in D3 football. There are some amazingly talented football players in the SCAC and it has been awesome watching them grow over the last 4 years. The remainder of the season should be exciting to watch as things unfold. I predict Centre geting the AQ at this point, its theirs to lose. Regardless of who goes on, we will all be pulling for them. Good luck to Centre and DPU on remainder of season...... 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 25, 2009, 10:56:30 AM
QuoteI, for one, am loving the stepped up competition this year compared to the last three years in the SCAC. Its nice to see other teams getting in the mix outside of Trinity and Millsaps. Gone are the days of one team dominance in the SCAC. I think that the emergence of Millsaps and DPU has motivated other programs to step it up and will get the SCAC on the MAP in D3 football. There are some amazingly talented football players in the SCAC and it has been awesome watching them grow over the last 4 years. The remainder of the season should be exciting to watch as things unfold. I predict Centre geting the AQ at this point, its theirs to lose. Regardless of who goes on, we will all be pulling for them. Good luck to Centre and DPU on remainder of season......  

Agreed. It has really become a conference where if you don't bring it each week, you can get beat. DePauw certainly has its work cut out for them with a trip to Birmingham then Austin back home. It will be interesting to see how Centre closes out, especially in two weeks against Trinity in San Antonio. In its last two games, Centre eaked a 14-13 win against Birmingham and was blanked by Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 25, 2009, 11:00:40 AM
QuoteWas not in love with the officiating today.  There were 4 or 5 times that the crew didn't any idea what was going on.  Mis-marked a couple penalties.  They said Davidson was out of the tackle box in the end zone, which might be one of the worst calls I've ever seen.  The end of the game was a disaster.  Nobody knew what down it was.  Nobody knew how many timeouts Trinity had.  They screwed up the clock on the final DePauw play.  Ugly stuff from that group today. 

Yeah, no kidding. The non-call in the end zone was horrible. Not only was he not outside the tackle box, the ball did not pass the line of scrimmage---which is grounding---and in this case a safety!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 25, 2009, 03:38:33 PM
Everyone is giving Centre the W next week against Rhodes.  Understandable as Rhodes is obviously down this year. But it's interesting to look at how the two teams played against Millsaps. Centre was blanked 24-0 and barely managed 200 yards of total offense. Rhodes lost 36-22, outgained Millsaps 313-270 (including 229 rushing yards) had more first downs and only trailed 14-7 at the half.  Rhodes got down big early against DePauw, but played hard and kept fighting to the final whistle...If Centre continues to struggle offensively, it would not shock me to see Rhodes make it interesting...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 25, 2009, 04:30:59 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 25, 2009, 03:38:33 PM
Everyone is giving Centre the W next week against Rhodes.  Understandable as Rhodes is obviously down this year. But it's interesting to look at how the two teams played against Millsaps. Centre was blanked 24-0 and barely managed 200 yards of total offense. Rhodes lost 36-22, outgained Millsaps 313-270 (including 229 rushing yards) had more first downs and only trailed 14-7 at the half.  Rhodes got down big early against DePauw, but played hard and kept fighting to the final whistle...If Centre continues to struggle offensively, it would not shock me to see Rhodes make it interesting...

In your own words "Blah, blah, blah...if if if..." Bottom line, the Colonels are just not good without Osterman, Albright and Coomer in the lineup. They'll be fine though against Rhodes, because they'll stop the run. Centre wins easily 34-14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 25, 2009, 05:13:24 PM
QuoteIn your own words "Blah, blah, blah...if if if..." Bottom line, the Colonels are just not good without Osterman, Albright and Coomer in the lineup. They'll be fine though against Rhodes, because they'll stop the run. Centre wins easily 34-14.

Ok, let me rephrase that... With Centre's offense struggling, it would not shock me to see Rhodes make it interesting...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2009, 09:42:30 PM
One thing that I will predict about the Centre-Rhodes game is that there will be a lot of hitting and both teams will play hard from start to finish.  That's based on what I saw from close range over the last couple of weeks.

The photos from the Centre-Millsaps game have been posted (link below) and I just wanted to mention one photo which captures the turning point of the game.  It looked very much like the halftime score was going to be 7-0 with Centre getting the opening kickoff of the 2nd half.  Centre punted late in the 2nd quarter, giving Millsaps the ball on their own 19 with 1:19 left in the half. 

Millsaps made it to the Centre 42 with 11 seconds to go and Chris Graves then hit Shane Bowser with a pass near the 20.  Pinned in by the sideline and 4 Centre defenders at the 10, somehow Bowser was able to split the defenders and go virtually untouched into the end zone ( http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MC2009-10/FB2009/FB102409/10090073_i78G6#P-11-12 ).  Bowser seems to leave a lot of defender grasping at air and it was a remarkable play on his part to get into the end zone and give Millsaps some breathing room.

It was definitely one of the biggest plays of the season for Millsaps.  Here's the link to all the football photos and I'll get other Homecoming stuff posted eventually:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MC2009-10/FB2009/FB102409/10090073_i78G6#692507250_G892J
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 25, 2009, 11:57:43 PM
Congrats Roos on your win in Memphis. No turnovers - no problem. Wonder when the Roos last had three TD passes in back-to-back games {I know some SCAC teams do this weekly but it is news in Sherman}. Big day rushing for Hasten as well despite ongoing injury issues.

I really wish we had scored 2 more points at home against Millsaps.

Can't win the SCAC in '09, but could still finish with only two SCAC losses... Now an extra week to prepare for Tiger hunting... Work hard guys! Prepare... Prepare... Prepare...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 26, 2009, 01:28:26 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 25, 2009, 09:42:30 PM
One thing that I will predict about the Centre-Rhodes game is that there will be a lot of hitting and both teams will play hard from start to finish.  That's based on what I saw from close range over the last couple of weeks.

The photos from the Centre-Millsaps game have been posted (link below) and I just wanted to mention one photo which captures the turning point of the game.  It looked very much like the halftime score was going to be 7-0 with Centre getting the opening kickoff of the 2nd half.  Centre punted late in the 2nd quarter, giving Millsaps the ball on their own 19 with 1:19 left in the half. 

Centre I know will be glad to be back in the friendly confines of Danville to face Rhodes.  I think this is a dangerous game for Centre, and Rhodes is probably better than their record indicates.  The Colonels cannot get caught up in looking ahead to Trinity.  While the Centre defense is strong, the offense is only so-so.  Should Rhodes successfully bottle up the Colonels' running game, Centre will struggle.
Millsaps made it to the Centre 42 with 11 seconds to go and Chris Graves then hit Shane Bowser with a pass near the 20.  Pinned in by the sideline and 4 Centre defenders at the 10, somehow Bowser was able to split the defenders and go virtually untouched into the end zone ( http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MC2009-10/FB2009/FB102409/10090073_i78G6#P-11-12 ).  Bowser seems to leave a lot of defender grasping at air and it was a remarkable play on his part to get into the end zone and give Millsaps some breathing room.

It was definitely one of the biggest plays of the season for Millsaps.  Here's the link to all the football photos and I'll get other Homecoming stuff posted eventually:

http://gomajors.smugmug.com/MC2009-10/FB2009/FB102409/10090073_i78G6#692507250_G892J
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 26, 2009, 02:46:20 PM
QuoteI wasn't able to follow the DPU game in the second half - what surprised me looking at the stats was the ease with which DePauw ran the ball today.  Congrats to Coach Long and the team for doing what no other DPU squad had been able to do before.   Win out and you may be able to get a home playoff game...

Thanks, Ron. The running game was really nice to see. I think it was the result of an O-line that is really coming together, a couple of hard running backs and a staff that exploited what was there. Trinity has a good team with some nice athletes, especially int he skill positions.

QuoteYeah, a little surprise there, Ron.  I think Trinity's game plan was to make DePauw run the football to beat them.  They weren't going to let Koors and Mulligan get vertical on them.  Not a lot of blitzing and a ton of safety help over the top.  But, then that DePauw front 5 was able to put a hat on a hat and block 'em straight up.  TU wanted DePauw to beat them on the ground and they just flat did. 

Indiana Tigers made some nice adjustments at the half as Trinity really was overcompensating for Koors...that gave Dahlstrom (career day) and Mulligan (getting close to DePauw career record) some catches. And the running game really opened up. By the way, nice job on the PA, Wes!   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 26, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Eh, it was alright.  Got really excited when Ellis broke that long run for the score and called him Karazsia.  Missed the daggumed yard line by 5 yards about eleventy times.  I really enjoy doing it, but Dr. McCall's got the job for a reason.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 26, 2009, 04:09:57 PM
Wes, I was there and I didn't even notice it.  Nice job and a good win for the Indiana Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 26, 2009, 04:46:21 PM
QuoteWes, I was there and I didn't even notice it.  Nice job and a good win for the Indiana Tigers.

Ditto...sounded good to me.

And regarding the yard lines...the refs didn't know where to mark the ball half the time! ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on October 26, 2009, 06:00:44 PM
Quote
And regarding the yard lines...the refs didn't know where to mark the ball half the time! ;D

They didn't happen to be SEC officials, huh? Wouldn't put it past them. ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 26, 2009, 11:21:34 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 24, 2009, 05:07:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2009, 04:41:42 PM
I wasn't able to follow the DPU game in the second half - what surprised me looking at the stats was the ease with which DePauw ran the ball today.  Congrats to Coach Long and the team for doing what no other DPU squad had been able to do before.   Win out and you may be able to get a home playoff game...

Yeah, a little surprise there, Ron.  I think Trinity's game plan was to make DePauw run the football to beat them.  They weren't going to let Koors and Mulligan get vertical on them.  Not a lot of blitzing and a ton of safety help over the top.  But, then that DePauw front 5 was able to put a hat on a hat and block 'em straight up.  TU wanted DePauw to beat them on the ground and they just flat did. 

Was not in love with the officiating today.  There were 4 or 5 times that the crew didn't any idea what was going on.  Mis-marked a couple penalties.  They said Davidson was out of the tackle box in the end zone, which might be one of the worst calls I've ever seen.  The end of the game was a disaster.  Nobody knew what down it was.  Nobody knew how many timeouts Trinity had.  They screwed up the clock on the final DePauw play.  Ugly stuff from that group today. 

Wes, what's new on SCAC officiating.  It's a joke from week to week every game I've ever seen. 

Nothing much to add on the TU-DeP game.  I thought with the halftime momentum, TU would take over the game.  You were right.  We couldn't' stop the run and ironically, the run stop has been TU's best defensive MO. 

On a positive note, I had to drive home to College Station from Houston right when the game started.  I managed to jack into the DePauw mp3 stream from the FM radio station.  Very nice.  I got to listen the entire way home during the first half.  I managed to get my laptop hooked up to the net to watch the 2nd half. 

I mention this to say how impressed I was with the two young men announcing for the DeP team.  I thought they were entertaining and objective, from the pregame thru the end of the first half.  Figured I'd give props where due.

Like I told my son, TU has three games left and if they can win out, it's an 8-2 season.  Not too damn shabby. 

Then I'm reading the sunday paper and I'm reminded the Texas High School playoff system puts 4 teams from each district into the state playoffs.  What a huge 180 degree difference in comparison to the D-3 playoffs.  it becomes that much more special when you do get in I guess. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 26, 2009, 11:27:23 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 26, 2009, 03:42:35 PM
Eh, it was alright.  Got really excited when Ellis broke that long run for the score and called him Karazsia.  Missed the daggumed yard line by 5 yards about eleventy times.  I really enjoy doing it, but Dr. McCall's got the job for a reason.

Well there's your problem bud... the number eleventy has your brain fuddled.!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 26, 2009, 11:29:38 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 25, 2009, 11:00:40 AM
QuoteWas not in love with the officiating today.  There were 4 or 5 times that the crew didn't any idea what was going on.  Mis-marked a couple penalties.  They said Davidson was out of the tackle box in the end zone, which might be one of the worst calls I've ever seen.  The end of the game was a disaster.  Nobody knew what down it was.  Nobody knew how many timeouts Trinity had.  They screwed up the clock on the final DePauw play.  Ugly stuff from that group today. 

Yeah, no kidding. The non-call in the end zone was horrible. Not only was he not outside the tackle box, the ball did not pass the line of scrimmage---which is grounding---and in this case a safety!

I wasn't there only listening to it on the radio, but the announcers didn't allude to the "out of the box" thing but that there was an eligible receiver in the line of the pass had the pass been a real pass and not something skewed by the hit.

Again, I didn't see it.  Just going by what I heard. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 26, 2009, 11:42:18 PM
So, parity in the SCAC is an exciting thing for sure.  "On any given Saturday" type thing apparently.  I guess my question to the masses is this... are the individual teams each getting better in relation to the rest of D-3 or just to each other?  Is the SCAC mired in mediocrity albeit it exciting?  Or, is the SCAC a conference being built up to the point where soon 2 teams will routinely make the playoffs?

I've only been following D-3 football for 3 seasons now.  So forgive the lack of background or the desire/time to research it.  (That's what I have you guys for!)


My observations from Trinity are that overall, we're a young team, especially on Offense.  4 of our 5 O-linemen starters will return next season.  I believe all three QB's return next season.  One RB with significant' playing time (furlow) returns.   I'm not 100% sure where we are on youth and defense since I"m so busy watching my son play on offense.  (and I'm hugely proud of his and his teammates efforts this season!)

C'mon TU, 3 more W's for an 8-2 season! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 27, 2009, 12:41:02 AM
I don't think the conference is growing dramatically faster than everyone else, Tex.  The SCAC has always had a pretty good out of conference record.  The playoff record isn't any good, but that's due to Trinity rarely getting out of that dastardly Texas sub-bracket.  Trinity usually beats the ASC teams on their schedule.  DePauw hasn't lost a non-conf game since the '06 Bell game.  They're 22-10 against non-conf in this decade and 8-1 in their last 9.  That's not a bad little number there considering there's a bunch of Wabash's, Hanover's (when they were good), a Wesley, and a UW-Stout on the ledger.

This is probably the best DePauw team by record since Clinton got re-elected, and I don't think I'd be selling a lot of people short if I went back even farther than that to get to the best actual football team.  Hard to tell since this is such a better conference than DePauw's previous ones.  At the same time, this might be the worst Trinity team in a LONG time.  Those two right there contribute an awful lot to the parity.  Centre's up a little bit, too.  They just might be back to the 2003 or so type Centre teams.

I don't think the SCAC can be a 2 bid league routinely anytime in the near future.  First, we still haven't ever had two teams finish with 1 loss since the playoffs expanded.  There hasn't even been a legitimate Pool C candidate.  Secondly, the SCAC has next to no postseason success aside from Trinity's Stagg run in 2002.  Somebody in this conference is going to have to do something crazy and do it for a few years running for anybody to start believing that a second SCAC team is worth a Pool C bid.  Forget a two loss SCAC team.  DePauw got close last year, but look what happened to the Wheaton team that the committee took instead.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 27, 2009, 06:34:41 AM
QuoteSo, parity in the SCAC is an exciting thing for sure.  "On any given Saturday" type thing apparently.  I guess my question to the masses is this... are the individual teams each getting better in relation to the rest of D-3 or just to each other?  Is the SCAC mired in mediocrity albeit it exciting?  Or, is the SCAC a conference being built up to the point where soon 2 teams will routinely make the playoffs?

I've only been following D-3 football for 3 seasons now.  So forgive the lack of background or the desire/time to research it.  (That's what I have you guys for!)


My observations from Trinity are that overall, we're a young team, especially on Offense.  4 of our 5 O-linemen starters will return next season.  I believe all three QB's return next season.  One RB with significant' playing time (furlow) returns.   I'm not 100% sure where we are on youth and defense since I"m so busy watching my son play on offense.  (and I'm hugely proud of his and his teammates efforts this season!)

C'mon TU, 3 more W's for an 8-2 season! 

I don't know about the conference's position relative to others, but I do think the SCAC is a solid league. There are some really good players and not just on the top tier teams---look at how Austin and Birmingham have improved their programs in the past two years. Add in the travel and week in and week out, the SCAC presents a really competitive situation. Not many leagues where you could be playing in 40 degree weather in the midwest one week, 90 degrees in Texas or Mississippi the next and the altitude of Colorado Springs the next (although no more).

And Tex, you should be proud of the Texas Tigers...here's hoping you win out to go 8-2!   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 27, 2009, 08:04:38 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 27, 2009, 12:41:02 AM
I don't think the conference is growing dramatically faster than everyone else, Tex.  The SCAC has always had a pretty good out of conference record.  The playoff record isn't any good, but that's due to Trinity rarely getting out of that dastardly Texas sub-bracket.  Trinity usually beats the ASC teams on their schedule.  ...

Have you heard whether Trinity and Austin College will renew their 2-year contracts with McMurry again?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2009, 11:02:26 AM
Trinity was fortunate to have some incredible talent at QB and WR during their heyday;  Roy Hampton and Mike Burton could have played scholarship ball and been successful.   Receivers like Jason Hunt, Bo Edwards, and Canaan Factor simply were able to get open at will and dominate.  Jerheme Urban was arguably not even the best WR during his time at TU (a close second to Hunt) and now he's making a living in the NFL.   

Since those days, though, we've seen the following happen:
- more schools across the nation have made a commitment to D3 ball
- schools like UMHB (and, to a lesser extent, HSU) have burst onto the scene in Texas, diluting the available local talent.  Austin College, with Ronny Gage's North Texas recruiting pipeline, is also getting a few kids that might have gone to Trinity in the past
- many D3 schools have made their facilities more appealing, while TU has inexplicably remained mired in the 80's
- and, not coincidentally, admission standards at TU are tighter than they've ever been

The combination of factors means that student athletes who used to consider Trinity a no-brainer now have many other appealing choices.   

Then you look at what else is going on in the conference:
- obviously, the day Mike DuBose became a head coach at Millsaps changed the conference landscape.  Not only was he successful in getting the players to believe in themselves from day one, but his name alone lured players to Millsaps who might have never considered the school before. 
- DePauw has always had a solid program, just look at what they can do to Wabash.  The issue has always been transferring that intensity to SCAC play and perhaps Coach Long has been able to do that some this year.  Who knows how successful DPU would be if they could keep a head coach around for more than a season or two?
- Austin is getting better thanks to Coach Gage and with just a little luck would be in the thick of the race right now.
- Centre obviously controls their destiny this year, but they've been on the cusp before. 
- Birmingham-Southern should be a contender in their first year of actual conference play next season.
- Rhodes, usually a mid-pack team or better, is down this year; Sewanee has struggled for a while.

Overall, I think the conference is getting stronger, but as Wes says we won't get any respect until we start seeing some playoff success.   BTW, Wes, Trinity did win at least one playoff game each year from '97-'01; 8-5 during that stretch (and one year where they got a bye and didn't play a week 1 game).   Since the 2002 Stagg, though, the SCAC's only playoff win has been the one Millsaps had in the first round last year.   Until that changes it's hard to justify a second SCAC team, should we ever get a one-loss contender.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on October 27, 2009, 12:34:28 PM
Centre is not the same team they were earlier in the year. They have too many key players missing from their lineup. It was nice to see Sneed back on the field Saturday. I do think they will win Saturday vs Rhodes, but it will be a close game. Hopefully the offense can get something going and carry it over into the Trinity game.
Go Colonels!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2009, 08:05:41 PM
Here's some history (plus a weather forecast) for those of you who like to focus on the definites instead of the possibilities:

1)  Thunderstorms are in the forecast for Sewanee this Saturday.  Will it be as sloppy as when DePauw was only able to manage a 3-0 victory?  Don't know, but bad weather has a way of making games close and making upsets more feasible.

2)  After clinching the SCAC title in 2008, Millsaps went on the road to BSC and played like crap in a bad weather game.  Millsaps had 7 turnovers and were fortunate to score TDs on 3 big plays--a 53-yard pass play, a 71-yard kickoff return, and a 61-yard interception return.  The kick return and the interception were 2 of 3 unanswered TD's which allowed Millsaps to come from behind in the 2nd half for a 31-14 win.

3)  Millsaps has had a habit of getting way behind early in their road games.  To jog your memory:  down 3-24 at MS College; down 0-14 at Austin; down 0-16 at DePauw; down 0-14 at Huntingdon.  So in their 4 road games this season, Millsaps is 1-3 and they have fallen behind by a combined score of 3 to 68.

NOW THEN, for those who like to think about the possibilities:

The possibility of Millsaps losing at Sewanee isn't as farfetched as it might appear on paper:

--Millsaps played horrible football last year after locking up the SCAC title and who could blame this year's team if they think they locked up the title last Saturday.
--While their 1-3 road record this year could very easily be anywhere between 0-4 and 4-0, the one consistent thing all year is that Millsaps has been a slow starter on the road. 
--Combine a slow start with bad weather and Millsaps might not be able to work their way back into the game.  Sewanee may be 0-7 this year, but they have a good defense and they were leading BSC 17-7 in the 3rd quarter last week until five 2nd half turnovers by Sewanee helped BSC to a 34-17 win.

All that being said, if I was a betting man I'd pick Millsaps to win the game this Saturday.  I'm just not so sure that I would pick them to cover what most of you might consider the spread for this game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 27, 2009, 11:20:15 PM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on October 27, 2009, 12:34:28 PM
Centre is not the same team they were earlier in the year. They have too many key players missing from their lineup. It was nice to see Sneed back on the field Saturday. I do think they will win Saturday vs Rhodes, but it will be a close game. Hopefully the offense can get something going and carry it over into the Trinity game.
Go Colonels!

Agree Saturday's game with Rhodes will be a battle.  Also hope there will be some offense for the Colonels.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 28, 2009, 09:46:23 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2009, 08:05:41 PM
Here's some history (plus a weather forecast) for those of you who like to focus on the definites instead of the possibilities:

1)  Thunderstorms are in the forecast for Sewanee this Saturday.  Will it be as sloppy as when DePauw was only able to manage a 3-0 victory?  Don't know, but bad weather has a way of making games close and making upsets more feasible.

2)  After clinching the SCAC title in 2008, Millsaps went on the road to BSC and played like crap in a bad weather game.  Millsaps had 7 turnovers and were fortunate to score TDs on 3 big plays--a 53-yard pass play, a 71-yard kickoff return, and a 61-yard interception return.  The kick return and the interception were 2 of 3 unanswered TD's which allowed Millsaps to come from behind in the 2nd half for a 31-14 win.

3)  Millsaps has had a habit of getting way behind early in their road games.  To jog your memory:  down 3-24 at MS College; down 0-14 at Austin; down 0-16 at DePauw; down 0-14 at Huntingdon.  So in their 4 road games this season, Millsaps is 1-3 and they have fallen behind by a combined score of 3 to 68.

NOW THEN, for those who like to think about the possibilities:

The possibility of Millsaps losing at Sewanee isn't as farfetched as it might appear on paper:

--Millsaps played horrible football last year after locking up the SCAC title and who could blame this year's team if they think they locked up the title last Saturday.
--While their 1-3 road record this year could very easily be anywhere between 0-4 and 4-0, the one consistent thing all year is that Millsaps has been a slow starter on the road. 
--Combine a slow start with bad weather and Millsaps might not be able to work their way back into the game.  Sewanee may be 0-7 this year, but they have a good defense and they were leading BSC 17-7 in the 3rd quarter last week until five 2nd half turnovers by Sewanee helped BSC to a 34-17 win.

All that being said, if I was a betting man I'd pick Millsaps to win the game this Saturday.  I'm just not so sure that I would pick them to cover what most of you might consider the spread for this game.

I hope this is not the case and the Majors leave no doubt on the mountain Frank.  I am sure Coach Dubose and the team know that the SCAC is not locked up this time and a stumble here would end it.  Even with a win, they still need some help for the AQ, so hopefully they will come out firing!  The motivation of at least another share of the conference title should have them up if nothing else.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2009, 03:47:35 PM
Initial South regional rankings (http://www.d3football.com/dailydose/2009/10/28/albright-linfield-mount-union-wesley-lead-regional-rankings/) are out:

South Region
1. Wesley 3-0 7-0
2. Mississippi College 6-0 6-1
3. Washington and Jefferson 7-0 7-0
4. Hampden-Sydney 8-0 8-0
5. Mary Hardin-Baylor 4-1 6-1
6. Thomas More 7-0 7-0
7. Centre 6-1 6-1
8. Huntingdon 3-0 6-1
9. Dickinson 6-1 6-1
10. DePauw 5-1 5-1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 29, 2009, 08:42:33 AM
I screwed up my quote option, but the following was written recenly by Tex:

On a positive note, I had to drive home to College Station from Houston right when the game started.  I managed to jack into the DePauw mp3 stream from the FM radio station.  Very nice.  I got to listen the entire way home during the first half.  I managed to get my laptop hooked up to the net to watch the 2nd half.  

I mention this to say how impressed I was with the two young men announcing for the DeP team.  I thought they were entertaining and objective, from the pregame thru the end of the first half.  Figured I'd give props where due.


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I thought about this comment from Tex when driving in to work this morning.  First off, I'll agree that the broadcast crew from DePauw always does a great job and seem to be very objective.  I also enjoy the regular programming on the DePauw station--whoever is in charge of that operation does a first class job.

The main thing I was thinking about on the drive in was that Tex was listening to a D3 football game while driving in his car.  Not a local station covering a local team, but a college radio station several states away.  As this expanded coverage and accessibility to D3 athletics has grown by increments over the years, it's easy to get acclimated to the changes without realizing just how much this has improved.  It has been an amazing growth.

Maybe I have the details wrong on this, but it seems like a Carthage baseball fan was talking about this last year and when his team won the national championship at some point in the 90's, he didn't know about the title until reading a story 3 months later in an alumni magazine.  What a gift the internet has been to D3 sports, starting with a website like D3Sports and the websites at each school, and now into live coverage of many ballgames.  I wonder what changes the future will bring.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on October 30, 2009, 03:08:16 PM
Pretty quiet around here. 

Here is the Millsaps/Sewanee preview:

http://gomajors.com/news/2009/10/29/FB_1029095022.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 30, 2009, 05:18:29 PM
Trinity hosts NAIA Azusa Pacific tomorrow in SA. They are 1-7 but may be a handful for the Tigers. Hope our guys can pick up a meaningless "W" at home (thanks to Colorado College), but more important stay healthy and sharp for Centre and the Roos.

Kind of rough to be 5-2 (with losses to two strong teams on their own turf) and have everyone critical of your season already!  I guess that's what comes with having such a strong program over the past decade or more.

Go Tigers ... Git 'R Done!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 30, 2009, 06:18:33 PM
Prediction for Millsaps v. Sewanee:  31-10, Majors.

Safe travels to the team and to all of the participants this weekend throughout the division.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on October 31, 2009, 07:52:17 AM
Whats the weather forcast for today in Sewanee?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 31, 2009, 08:42:53 AM
Looks like 50 degrees and rain in Danville for today's Centre-Rhodes game. Hoping my daughter's 5-year Centre reunion coincides with a Halloween win for the Colonels ::)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 31, 2009, 10:08:53 AM
Sewanee:

Game time weather -   about 52-55 degrees; chance of rain about 30%; winds 5-10 mph
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2009, 10:40:35 AM
San Antonio:  Clear and 72 today.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 31, 2009, 02:43:32 PM
is the Millsaps game cast down?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 31, 2009, 02:53:50 PM
21- 0 Millsaps.  Can I change my prediction?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 31, 2009, 03:10:02 PM
24-0  end of 1st Q; Millsaps ahead.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 31, 2009, 03:32:03 PM
No trouble for DePauw today - 35-21 win @ BSC. 

Spud 24-31 for 325 with 3TD's and 2 INT's.  Koors 5 for 141 & 2 TD's.  Only 49 rushing yards is a little concerning, especially with the success they had a week ago.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on October 31, 2009, 04:00:40 PM
Sewanees video cast is up, tough first half for the tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 31, 2009, 05:25:55 PM
Trinity got bushwhacked by Azusa Pacific today.  55-27  I didn't realize until after they'd hung 21 on us in the first quarter that this was a scholarship school.  Their team speed left us watching as they ran by our defense pretty much all day.  Without a doubt, this was the best team TU has seen this year. 

As my friend Yuccaroot pointed out, had we been in the playoff hunt, this would have been a good game to strengthen us on for a playoff run.  Makes a few of us wish CC hadn't quit football.  :) 

Oh well, the TU offense road the back of Chris Baer and the young O-line managed to help put up 27 on a very good defense.  Chris definitely decided he'd go down swinging this game.  Excellent effort on his part as well as all of the team.  We just had no answer for them on defense.  Had a few stops here and there, some good adjustments at half, but not nearly enough to overcome the deficit. 

Rough loss, but you have to nurse your wounds tonight, party out a little if possible for Halloween and get ready for next week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 31, 2009, 05:31:07 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 29, 2009, 08:42:33 AM
I screwed up my quote option, but the following was written recenly by Tex:

On a positive note, I had to drive home to College Station from Houston right when the game started.  I managed to jack into the DePauw mp3 stream from the FM radio station.  Very nice.  I got to listen the entire way home during the first half.  I managed to get my laptop hooked up to the net to watch the 2nd half.  

I mention this to say how impressed I was with the two young men announcing for the DeP team.  I thought they were entertaining and objective, from the pregame thru the end of the first half.  Figured I'd give props where due.


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I thought about this comment from Tex when driving in to work this morning.  First off, I'll agree that the broadcast crew from DePauw always does a great job and seem to be very objective.  I also enjoy the regular programming on the DePauw station--whoever is in charge of that operation does a first class job.

The main thing I was thinking about on the drive in was that Tex was listening to a D3 football game while driving in his car.  Not a local station covering a local team, but a college radio station several states away.  As this expanded coverage and accessibility to D3 athletics has grown by increments over the years, it's easy to get acclimated to the changes without realizing just how much this has improved.  It has been an amazing growth.

Maybe I have the details wrong on this, but it seems like a Carthage baseball fan was talking about this last year and when his team won the national championship at some point in the 90's, he didn't know about the title until reading a story 3 months later in an alumni magazine.  What a gift the internet has been to D3 sports, starting with a website like D3Sports and the websites at each school, and now into live coverage of many ballgames.  I wonder what changes the future will bring.

Frank, you are correct, it was a remarkable experience.  Today was similar in that I couldn't be at the game but watched it on the internet.   Technology is wonderful when it works. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 31, 2009, 05:32:43 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 27, 2009, 06:34:41 AM


And Tex, you should be proud of the Texas Tigers...here's hoping you win out to go 8-2!   

Even after the tough physical loss today, I'm still insanely proud of the Texas Tigers.  No quit in them today, all heart. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on October 31, 2009, 06:38:27 PM
Centre keeps things interesting for another week with a solid win at home over Rhodes 37-10. Jonathan Pinque had a big day on the ground with 179 rushing yards and two touchdowns.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on October 31, 2009, 10:27:19 PM
Tex talked about parity.

PBrooks talks about interesting.

Here's a "parity" twist of an "interesting" if.

I think I've got this right. If AC and TU win next weekend there will be 4 teams tied behind Millsaps with 2 SCAC losses. And then the winner between AC/TU to end the season would finish in a three way tie for {?}second. {Dang, I wish we'd scored 2 more against the Majors...} And don't rule out these Roo's. The string of tough losses is bound to give way to a marquis win sooner or later.
                                                        ............................ to the hunt ............    ;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 31, 2009, 11:46:52 PM
Mildly disappointing day in San Antonio ... the Texas Tigers put up a pretty good fight, but were down by too many too early to contend for this one.  NAIA Azusa Pacific's players were 20 pounds, 5 inches, and a full step ahead of the D3 TU Tigers pretty much all day.  For those wondering, YES, there's still a big difference between D3 and scholarship football.  We saw it first hand this afternoon.

Ironically, TU's offense looked quite good against the Cougars ... showing some consistency on the ground and in the air.  The Black Flag showed great heart, but was overmatched, especially against AP's strong receiver corp and very good QB.

Once we got over the initial disappointment in an obvious "L" coming our way, I actually enjoyed watching the Texas Tigers get after it.  They did not win on the scoreboard or on every play, but they made an impact and showed genuine heart and winning attitude in the face of an overwhelming opponent.  Well done, men!  Like Tex, I was very proud of y'all for the fine effort at E.M Stevens today.

Here's hoping our young men will re-group and re-load for Centre's visit to SA and their season finale in Sherman.  It's been a while since Trinity's had more than two losses in a season ... a tribute to a legacy of success bred over many years.  Let's see what they have left in the tank.

As Rooski posted a while ago, there's still some football to play that matters!

Over in the ASC, Howard Payne shocked No. 13 Mississippi College 38-24 to complicate that conference's picture considerably.

This could get interesting for some of the SCAC teams in a couple weeks ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 31, 2009, 11:46:52 PM
For those wondering, YES, there's still a big difference between D3 and scholarship football.  We saw it first hand this afternoon.

UW-La Crosse 49, Azusa Pacific 24
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 01, 2009, 01:23:00 PM

I wasn't going to kill the positive spirit, but now that Pat has done that, I won't feel as bad.  This same program came to SA in 2004 following a quarterfinal appearance the previous year in the naia playoffs,  Those Tigers gave Azusa a very competitive 30-14 contest.  Yesterday was just a mismatch and azusa came in at 1-8.  It's kind of an indication of how far Trinity has fallen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 01, 2009, 08:07:13 PM
QuoteNo trouble for DePauw today - 35-21 win @ BSC. 

Spud 24-31 for 325 with 3TD's and 2 INT's.  Koors 5 for 141 & 2 TD's.  Only 49 rushing yards is a little concerning, especially with the success they had a week ago.

BSC decided to stack the box... 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 01, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Going to put my coach hat on a little bit, then. 

If there's 8 in the box on every play, your playcalling needs to be way less balanced than 27 runs & 31 passes.  I understand the merit of balance, but if they're loading up on the best QB in the conference with one safety back there, you have to make them get out of it.  I haven't had much negative to say about my friend Coach Ward's playcalling, and I didn't even pay attention to any of the football game - I just saw the box after the fact, but that's just my opinion.  Coach Ward probably thinks I'm full of baloney and I'll gladly accept that.

Even so - with 8 in the box, 1.8 ypc is still awfully poor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 01, 2009, 10:49:03 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 01, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Going to put my coach hat on a little bit, then. 

If there's 8 in the box on every play, your playcalling needs to be way less balanced than 27 runs & 31 passes.  I understand the merit of balance, but if they're loading up on the best QB in the conference with one safety back there, you have to make them get out of it.  I haven't had much negative to say about my friend Coach Ward's playcalling, and I didn't even pay attention to any of the football game - I just saw the box after the fact, but that's just my opinion.  Coach Ward probably thinks I'm full of baloney and I'll gladly accept that.

Even so - with 8 in the box, 1.8 ypc is still awfully poor.

Yeah, it's pretty simple for an offense.  Basically put the ball where they ain't.  If they stack it up in the middle, go to the outside.  If they bring the house, throw the quick slant.  If the put 8 in the box, pass the ball. 

Now, executing the play flawlessly is another matter altogether. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 01, 2009, 11:48:03 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 01, 2009, 10:00:14 PM
Going to put my coach hat on a little bit, then. 

If there's 8 in the box on every play, your playcalling needs to be way less balanced than 27 runs & 31 passes.  I understand the merit of balance, but if they're loading up on the best QB in the conference with one safety back there, you have to make them get out of it.  I haven't had much negative to say about my friend Coach Ward's playcalling, and I didn't even pay attention to any of the football game - I just saw the box after the fact, but that's just my opinion.  Coach Ward probably thinks I'm full of baloney and I'll gladly accept that.

Even so - with 8 in the box, 1.8 ypc is still awfully poor.

This may be a slippery slope, but just for fun let's qualify the "best QB in the conference". Please allow me some latitude and I will explain. Spud is certainly an outstanding QB! No doubt about it!! And I don't know why anyone would not want him on their team. If the QB position is only about passing, then he may be the best {see also Chris Graves}. But if you factor rushing skills and blocking duties I think AC's Andy Braly would deserve some props as well. - And believe me, we see our share of loaded boxes.

First let me acknowlegde that the only stat that really matters is wins and losses and we all know that stat. But hey, they keep all these other stats too, so allow me "use" the numbers to demonstrate my bias a little bit. {I am not a mathemetician or an engineer so I accept any corrections that may follow.}

Using the "conference only" stats on the SCAC site, I calcuated the total offense stats to a "yards per play" average for the three leaders in the catagory and it comes out to :

Spud D. - .1285
Chris Graves - .1544
Andy B.  -  .1380

And the "yards per pass" for the same three came to:

Spud - 8.78
Chris - 7.58
Andy - 9.07

Also Spud and Andy are 1st and 2nd respectively in the passing efficiency catagory. But of these three senior QB's only Andy B is listed in total offense, passing AND rushing top ten lists on the site.

Other stats on the sheet show that the Roos can hold their own offensively this year. DPU and AC have very different expectations of their QB position and I believe they both have the right guy for their teams.

Again, don't take this as any disrespect for Spud. He is awesome and has loads of terrific stats and accomplishments. I am excited about seeing him play again. No one appreciates the work of a QB like a QB's dad. Just thought I'd shine a little light on what Andy and the AC offense have done so far this year. I have seen all the AC games this year and I have never left the stadium wishing we had the "other guy" for our QB.  I am partial though. Andy's my son. So I am looking forward to seeing two of the best QB's in the league this weekend.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2009, 11:54:27 PM
I would like for AC and TU to win their games and get Millsaps into the Pool A bid, so UMHB can play Millsaps, and MissCollege can host Huntingdon in the first round.

Good luck!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 02, 2009, 12:54:47 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on November 01, 2009, 01:23:00 PM
I wasn't going to kill the positive spirit, but now that Pat has done that, I won't feel as bad.
...

It's kind of an indication of how far Trinity has fallen.

TU2698: Oddly, I don't detect any hint of you "feeling bad" to go to the negative side.  Your occasional comments seem to have taken up residence there.  As a father of a current player, I do take offense at your flip reference to the good old days when TU ran the table on lesser opponents.  Perhaps if you are blessed to live to be as old as I am, the taste of the present won't be so bitter compared to your glory days.

This year's edition of the Trinity Tigers comes to play every week ... they gave Azusa Pacific a good game, just spotted them too many points early in the game.  The Tigers played hard and showed great heart by giving a full effort for all four quarters.  Lesser men might have given up, but that's not what I saw.  I was proud of them and shook their hands and told them so on the field afterwards.

I for one am enjoying the "parity" that seems to have come to the SCAC and D3 football in our area.  Every game must be played to the full measure ... hardly any gimmees this year (or last).  Teams who were doormats a few years ago are contenders today.  No disrespect to our S.A. Tigers, but it does appear to me that the other schools have improved more than TU has declined.  Football players across the nation are bigger, faster, stronger, and better-prepared than ten years ago.  Several Trinity athletes in recent years have set school records or appear in the all-time career lists ... Blake Barmore, Dustin Allen, Bryant Wilson, Pete Licalzi, Chris Baer, Caleb Urban, Kyle Trella, and Garrett Biel to name just a few.

I am not a TU alum, but you are.  Maybe you should step back from the edge and choose to support and appreciate your younger band of brothers.  They are no less dedicated or skilled than you or your old teammates.  As academic standards at TU continue to rise, these men still compete well.  A lost game or two does not make a loser of anyone or any team.  Join us as we celebrate the victories past, present, and future.  Someday, perhaps your own son or daughter may need you to encourage them after a tough loss or two ... maybe even speak up for them when old alums pine for days gone by.  Criticism is easy and requires less thought or creativity than uplifting words.

That's my two cents ... I hope you will take them constructively.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 02, 2009, 01:03:57 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2009, 12:07:39 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on October 31, 2009, 11:46:52 PM
For those wondering, YES, there's still a big difference between D3 and scholarship football.  We saw it first hand this afternoon.

UW-La Crosse 49, Azusa Pacific 24


I stand corrected.  Let me re-form my comment more specifically:

"For those wondering, YES, there's still a big difference between the academic-oriented non-scholarship D3 Trinity University Tigers from San Antonio and Azusa Pacific Eastern suburban Los Angeles NAIA scholarship football."

They reminded me of the UMHB Crusaders, only bigger and faster.  They seemed hungry for a win (came in 1-7) and got a quick lead which was difficult to overcome ... kind of like their UW-Stevens Point game, in fact.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 02, 2009, 07:02:08 AM
Probably an abundance of talented Southern Californian kids on that team who were just a step or two away from playing D1 football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 02, 2009, 01:42:17 PM
Updated after Week 9 results were in ...  :-\


(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trinitymiracle.com%2Fimages%2Fscacfb09-1.jpg&hash=6d69731e2868e6f068bdc67bab490223a0f93655) (http://www.trinitymiracle.com/images/scacfb09-2.jpg)
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(then right-click to save to your computer)

sorry ... lost track of time and skipped a couple weeks there ...
________________

Let me see if I get this right:  thanks for everyone's help ... I've made a few corrections

As has been described earlier, the SCAC championship and playoff picture is still quite complex.

Millsaps has already won a share of the SCAC title again this year ... they have a bye, then BSC (non-counting), so they have already finished at 5-1 in the SCAC, losing only at DPU.  They have to wait on the other games to reveal their fate.

If Centre wins in San Antonio, they also finish 5-1 and co-SCAC (two or three-way, anyone?), but finish in the same position as AC ... .  If DePauw also wins, the Colonels get the Pool A by virtue of their win over DPU.  If DPU loses, Centre's loss at Millsaps looms large and keeps them home.

If Centre loses at TU and DePauw wins over AC, the Indiana Tigers tie with MC at 5-1 but have the edge over them head-to-head and will get the Pool A bid over the Majors.  The Majors have two other losses in region, so would stay home even with a co-title in the SCAC.  DPU's Pool C status will depend upon the results of the Monon Bell game (at DPU this year) and other complications I cannot understand.  Maybe.

If AC wins in Indiana AND beats TU at home, they would finish at 4-2 and tied for second (with somebody).  5-1 and co-SCAC champs but MC would get the Pool A playoff bid by virtue of their 1-point victory in Sherman.  Roos would have pulled off a co-championship, but stay home.

If the "good Tigers" from S.A. beat Centre this week, they go to Sherman with a chance to earn a tie for second place ... as many as three teams (AC, CC, DPU, and TU) could all end up at 4-2, depending upon who beats whom.  Even finishing with two wins, TU is eliminated from any playoff picture at 4-2 with losses at MC and DPU.  If Trinity loses either game, they can finish no better than third in the SCAC.

In an odd twist of scheduling fate, out of seven (eight minus BSC) teams, Austin and Trinity are the only teams in the SCAC with both games that matter in the SCAC with two weeks to go.  And their wins or losses only affect other teams' playoff hopes, not their own.

My head hurts now.  If I got this wrong, it wouldn't surprise me, but somebody please correct as needed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2009, 01:46:13 PM
Has anyone heard if BSC has completed the re-classification process or is eligible to complete the process a year early?

Thanks
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 02, 2009, 02:39:21 PM
Think you've about got it, TigerDad.  The only clarification I'll make is that Centre wins the Pool A with a win this weekend and a DePauw win.  The 3 way tie would be broken with Centre receiving the AQ.  Here's the shorthand:

Centre wins Pool A if Centre & DePauw both win.
DePauw wins Pool A if Centre loses & DePauw wins.
Millsaps wins Pool A if DePauw loses.

EDIT: I'm kinda hoping for the first choice, because I REALLY want that Bell game to be for a playoff spot for both teams.  I guess I'll submit this for group, and mostly Ralph, but do we think the South can get 3 Pool C's (UMHB, W&J, DePauw)?

EDIT #2!: Your chart is right, but you said Austin can go 5-1, which is untrue.  They're 2-2.  No chance of being SCAC co-champs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 02, 2009, 02:59:36 PM
TigerDad, I understand how all of this would make anyone's head hurt.  One big correction--if Austin wins out they would still finish 2nd because they have two losses, the home loss to Millsaps and the road loss to Centre.

Centre and DePauw are the only teams that can tie Millsaps for the SCAC Title. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 02, 2009, 03:16:05 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 02, 2009, 02:39:21 PM
Think you've about got it, TigerDad.  The only clarification I'll make is that Centre wins the Pool A with a win this weekend and a DePauw win.  The 3 way tie would be broken with Centre receiving the AQ.  Here's the shorthand:

Centre wins Pool A if Centre & DePauw both win.
DePauw wins Pool A if Centre loses & DePauw wins.
Millsaps wins Pool A if DePauw loses.

EDIT: I'm kinda hoping for the first choice, because I REALLY want that Bell game to be for a playoff spot for both teams.  I guess I'll submit this for group, and mostly Ralph, but do we think the South can get 3 Pool C's (UMHB, W&J, DePauw)?

EDIT #2!: Your chart is right, but you said Austin can go 5-1, which is untrue.  They're 2-2.  No chance of being SCAC co-champs.


I think it is a good question Wes, but I don't believe the south could get 3 Pool C's, curious as well as to what Ralph, Ron, etc think.  That being said and for selfish reasons, I hope Austin can steal one this weekend and give the Majors the AQ  ;D.  Of course if Centre wins out, Depauw loses this weekend and Millsaps gets the AQ, where does that leave Centre in the Pool C hunt?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2009, 03:44:01 PM
Quote from: exmajor on November 02, 2009, 03:16:05 PM
I think it is a good question Wes, but I don't believe the south could get 3 Pool C's, curious as well as to what Ralph, Ron, etc think.  That being said and for selfish reasons, I hope Austin can steal one this weekend and give the Majors the AQ  ;D.  Of course if Centre wins out, Depauw loses this weekend and Millsaps gets the AQ, where does that leave Centre in the Pool C hunt?

I think I've said it before, but a one loss Centre will have a hard time getting a Pool C because they will have beaten basically nobody of consequence in the eyes of the selection committee.   Their best win is against DePauw, but there's no scenario where DPU gets in and the Colonels only have one loss.   And if DPU doesn't get in, they won't be regionally ranked, making the victory less meaningful (it becomes a quality win instead of a win against a regionally ranked opponent).  

As far as whether or not the region can get three C's, it all depends on who the three teams are and what happens elsewhere.  The East may not get any.   If they win out, DPU would have the best shot at a C, because in that scenario they'd have a win against regionally ranked Centre and at least quality wins against Wabash and Millsaps.     edit:  no, Centre beat DPU.  Maybe they get lucky and Wabash stays regionally ranked.

One other team has something to say about who gets in the playoffs ... BSC.  If they should upset Huntingdon, it would put HC's Pool B chances on life support.  

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 02, 2009, 04:01:03 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 02, 2009, 02:39:21 PM
Centre wins Pool A if Centre & DePauw both win.

if Centre and DePauw both win this weekend, then MC, CC and DPU all finish at 5-1 in SCAC and are tri-champs.

One small question to the panel ... if so, how does Centre get the Pool A?

I see how Centre has the edge on DePauw by virtue of their 34-24 win in Greencastle.  DePauw beat Millsaps 29-27 also in Greencastle.  Centre lost to Millsaps 24-0 in Jackson.

My head hurts even worse now, but I understand more than I did before.   Kind of like Quantum Physics ... the particles are too small and moving too fast for me.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2009, 04:03:57 PM
Tiebreaker 2c - if conference w/l are equal and the relative wins and losses by the contenders balance out, you go on overall record.  Millsaps get eliminated at this point, then you go back to head-to-head for the remaining teams. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 02, 2009, 04:34:06 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2009, 04:03:57 PM
Tiebreaker 2c 

Thanks, Ron.  That makes sense now.  Not like it matters to the SA Tigers, but it's interesting anyway.  I'm guessing TU would like to spoil somebody's party just because they can.  And, certainly to maintain a decent season/SCAC record for 2009.  It's certainly been more than a while since they've had more than 3 losses in a single season. Actually, it was way back in 1993 that Trinity went 6-4.  TU had three losses in 1995, 2000, and 2003.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2009, 04:45:13 PM
Ron is right.

Think about that selection table, and there are only 6 bids to give.

Let me give a hypothetical list of Pool C candidates for each region.  That looks tough for the South #3 to get one.

E - Springfield, Del Valley
S - UMHB, W&J, DPU/Centre
W - Bethel/St Thomas, Redlands, Coe, Willamette
N - CCIW runner-up, OAC runner-up, Wabash
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2009, 04:49:09 PM
Maybe UMHB or W&J will lose again  ;)

Will be interesting to see how far W&J falls in the rankings this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2009, 04:52:54 PM
As for Huntingdon getting a Pool B, I think that they are more solid than that.

ECFC - Norwich is leading, but went 0-3 in non-conference.
UAA -- CRWU is leading and is probably going undefeated. One bid.
ACFC -- Wesley (Salisbury is down this year.)  Give Wesley a bid.
UMAC -- Greenville won Game #5 of the Dome Day, but has a loss to Huntingdon.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 02, 2009, 06:21:37 PM
See, when I look at the teams that have 1 loss, or what I think are most the likely to finish with just the one loss, here's what I get.  Ralph obviously knows better than me, but here goes... (In said hypothetical, DePauw wins the Bell game):

NORTH - Wheaton.  If IWU beats them, then maybe none?  NCC and Wheaton will both have 2 losses.
WEST - St. Thomas only.  Coe's best win is 5-3 Wartburg.  Willamette & Bethel have two losses.  If Bethel beats St. Thomas on Sat, then probably Coe is in, I'd guess.
EAST - Springfield.  Also only 9 games, with the best win being (likely) 5-4 SJF.  If Albright beats Del Val, then I think the Aggies are done. 
SOUTH - UMHB, W&J, DePauw

That's 6 right there.  Couple of thoughts here:

If Bethel beats St. Thomas to give them both 2 losses, I have to think that gives DePauw a better chance. 

The question for me is whether or not Coe is more worthy of being selected than DePauw.  OTOH, is 2 loss Otterbein in the conversation since one was to Mount?  Also, as Ralph just said, maybe it doesn't come down to worthiness.  DePauw may not even make it to the table as the 3rd candidate in the South.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on November 02, 2009, 06:27:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2009, 11:54:27 PM
I would like for AC and TU to win their games and get Millsaps into the Pool A bid, so UMHB can play Millsaps, and MissCollege can host Huntingdon in the first round.

Good luck!
That scenario is nice but why couldn't Huntingdon host MissCollege? Currently we have better region record, better OWP, better OOWP and we beat both Millsaps and LaCollege worse than they did. Does their win over regionally ranked opponent(UMHB) trump all of that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2009, 06:31:03 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on November 02, 2009, 06:27:40 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2009, 11:54:27 PM
I would like for AC and TU to win their games and get Millsaps into the Pool A bid, so UMHB can play Millsaps, and MissCollege can host Huntingdon in the first round.

Good luck!
That scenario is nice but why couldn't Huntingdon host MissCollege? Currently we have better region record, better OWP, better OOWP and we beat both Millsaps and LaCollege worse than they did. Does their win over regionally ranked opponent(UMHB) trump all of that?
Your thinking is good.

Let's see if Huntingdon jumps Miss College in the next regional rankings.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2009, 09:23:26 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 02, 2009, 06:21:37 PM
See, when I look at the teams that have 1 loss, or what I think are most the likely to finish with just the one loss, here's what I get.  Ralph obviously knows better than me, but here goes... (In said hypothetical, DePauw wins the Bell game):

NORTH - Wheaton.  If IWU beats them, then maybe none?  NCC and Wheaton will both have 2 losses.
WEST - St. Thomas only.  Coe's best win is 5-3 Wartburg.  Willamette & Bethel have two losses.  If Bethel beats St. Thomas on Sat, then probably Coe is in, I'd guess.
EAST - Springfield.  Also only 9 games, with the best win being (likely) 5-4 SJF.  If Albright beats Del Val, then I think the Aggies are done. 
SOUTH - UMHB, W&J, DePauw

That's 6 right there.  Couple of thoughts here:

If Bethel beats St. Thomas to give them both 2 losses, I have to think that gives DePauw a better chance. 

The question for me is whether or not Coe is more worthy of being selected than DePauw.  OTOH, is 2 loss Otterbein in the conversation since one was to Mount?  Also, as Ralph just said, maybe it doesn't come down to worthiness.  DePauw may not even make it to the table as the 3rd candidate in the South.

Thanks, Wes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 02, 2009, 11:09:32 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 02, 2009, 12:54:47 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on November 01, 2009, 01:23:00 PM
I wasn't going to kill the positive spirit, but now that Pat has done that, I won't feel as bad.
...

It's kind of an indication of how far Trinity has fallen.

TU2698: Oddly, I don't detect any hint of you "feeling bad" to go to the negative side.  Your occasional comments seem to have taken up residence there.  As a father of a current player, I do take offense at your flip reference to the good old days when TU ran the table on lesser opponents.  Perhaps if you are blessed to live to be as old as I am, the taste of the present won't be so bitter compared to your glory days.

This year's edition of the Trinity Tigers comes to play every week ... they gave Azusa Pacific a good game, just spotted them too many points early in the game.  The Tigers played hard and showed great heart by giving a full effort for all four quarters.  Lesser men might have given up, but that's not what I saw.  I was proud of them and shook their hands and told them so on the field afterwards.

I for one am enjoying the "parity" that seems to have come to the SCAC and D3 football in our area.  Every game must be played to the full measure ... hardly any gimmees this year (or last).  Teams who were doormats a few years ago are contenders today.  No disrespect to our S.A. Tigers, but it does appear to me that the other schools have improved more than TU has declined.  Football players across the nation are bigger, faster, stronger, and better-prepared than ten years ago.  Several Trinity athletes in recent years have set school records or appear in the all-time career lists ... Blake Barmore, Dustin Allen, Bryant Wilson, Pete Licalzi, Chris Baer, Caleb Urban, Kyle Trella, and Garrett Biel to name just a few.

I am not a TU alum, but you are.  Maybe you should step back from the edge and choose to support and appreciate your younger band of brothers.  They are no less dedicated or skilled than you or your old teammates.  As academic standards at TU continue to rise, these men still compete well.  A lost game or two does not make a loser of anyone or any team.  Join us as we celebrate the victories past, present, and future.  Someday, perhaps your own son or daughter may need you to encourage them after a tough loss or two ... maybe even speak up for them when old alums pine for days gone by.  Criticism is easy and requires less thought or creativity than uplifting words.

That's my two cents ... I hope you will take them constructively.



Well said.  Lots of heart out there in the wins and the losses.  It's a tough challenge.  Get into one of the top academic schools in the country and still compete week in and week out while keeping a grip on your studies and grades.  I'm not sure how they do it.  Football is hard work, no matter if it's your passionate hobby (D3) or you're a paid player (scholarship).  

When I was in High School, my teammates and I rarely won 3 games in a season.  It's nice to keep things in perspective.

Like I've said before, I've not been around D-3 long enough to be able to comment on rises or falls, but it sure has been a lot of fun being a part these past two years.

Good post TigerDad.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 03, 2009, 01:19:59 AM
Tiger Dad:  Like Tex, I have only been around d-3 for 3 years now, so my observations are basedon a short exposure.  However, I can say that throught my past 'life' and experiences, the challenges of facing opponents with equal or greater skill teach many more life-lessons than the short-lived exhileration of running the table over less talented teams.   Sure, there is some fun in remembering when a team blew through everybody and you were the BMOC.  But, my friends, the true character building comes through efforts such as those displayed by many of our teams when they face a superior squad and show no signs of quitting or when the back and forth of an OT game makes every player dig deep to execute their assignments.

The D-3 fields (in all of our sports) belong to the players of the current day; give them the credit for daring to step into the crucible and exit stronger, harder and worth more than when they entered.

___________________

I can only imagine the emotions going through many of my fellow board members as they watch the final couple games of their son's careers.  I pray that all of these athletes and their families have grown closer as a result of these games and that the lessons learned will make them better men, fathers and friends.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 03, 2009, 01:59:06 AM
But it's different for alums.  I don't want this to sound critical, but parents come and go around here.  For the most part, they're here while their kid is here, then they go.  Some stay, but most don't.  Some get mad when somebody calls out little Johnny or Timmy for not doing a good enough job, but most don't.  Some parents still stick around here, and they're the ones with thousands and thousands of posts.  But, here's the thing: those of us that are alums, particularly within the last few years, have a little bit of a disconnect, which isn't necessarily a bad thing. 

It's frustrating to see your program struggle after you've followed it for so long.  At the same time, what I hope is going to be a DePauw playoff berth is going to be awesome, because I've been waiting for it since I starting following the program as a young pup.  I've been critical of coaches, players, and certainly the administration around here over the years because they deserve it, damnit.  Do your job.  Period.  If you can't take the heat - even at this level - as renowned terrible football coach Dan Hawkins says, "go play intramurals, brother."  This is competitive football and people aren't going to like it if you don't do good enough.  There won't be columns in the newspaper and the media won't be pressuring you for soundbites, but people still care when you screw it up.

I also think an alum has the right to say so and is more likely to do so, again don't take this the wrong way, because they just don't give a hoot how your kid feels.  We all know how it feels when we lost and we got over it.  If we didn't do a good enough job we were going to hear about it.  They're young men.  Do better.  The coaches are adults.  Do better.

You went to school somewhere and you probably still care about your program.  You know how it feels.  It's a vacuum.  Once your friends and fraternity brothers graduate, the people don't really matter anymore.  It's one season.  They're all just one season.  This one stinks out loud for Trinity.  See you next year.  They're going to try to not give up 300 yards passing and commit 8 penalties a game.  They're going to try to go find another game-changer at QB, which just hasn't been there the last few years.  Then we'll try it again the year after.  And ten years down the road.  And a lot of us will still be here then.  And we'll still be pissed when our team sucks or our players do stupid stuff.  At the same time, we're really happy when they're good, too.  That's the difference.  There are proud parents regardless of the record.  The alumni aren't proud regardless of the record - I can promise you that.  I believe they've got that right, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 03, 2009, 08:49:23 AM
Wes, thanks for your thoughtful reply.  I do see your point (and the comments of others as well).  I admit that I am more a fan of my son and his friends than of the Trinity football program.  In two weeks, my connection to TU will end and my interest will definitely wane.  Whether Trinity's new administration decides to improve their stadium, place more importance on football, or make other changes will have no effect on me.  I will be more of a message board reader than a contributor, that's for sure.

Tacttm1, we are in agreement about the relative value of blowouts vs. hard-fought games.  You put it more eloquently than I ever could have.  Nobody, especially the dogs in the hunt, will remember the walkover wins ... it's the battles in the trenches and overcoming obstacles that builds character and connects us to each other.

I've been watching my son play football for 11 years, but the only plays or games I remember were the tough ones, the unexpected ones, and the ones where players overcame an overwhelming force by skill, fortune, or both.  15-laterals, anyone?

"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."  Prov 27:17

I pray health, safety and for worthwhile battles for all our athletes every week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2009, 09:33:06 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 03, 2009, 08:49:23 AM
Wes, thanks for your thoughtful reply.  I do see your point (and the comments of others as well).  I admit that I am more a fan of my son and his friends than of the Trinity football program.  In two weeks, my connection to TU will end and my interest will definitely wane.  Whether Trinity's new administration decides to improve their stadium, place more importance on football, or make other changes will have no effect on me.  I will be more of a message board reader than a contributor, that's for sure.

Tacttm1, we are in agreement about the relative value of blowouts vs. hard-fought games.  You put it more eloquently than I ever could have.  Nobody, especially the dogs in the hunt, will remember the walkover wins ... it's the battles in the trenches and overcoming obstacles that builds character and connects us to each other.

I've been watching my son play football for 11 years, but the only plays or games I remember were the tough ones, the unexpected ones, and the ones where players overcame an overwhelming force by skill, fortune, or both.  15-laterals, anyone?

"As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another."  Prov 27:17

I pray health, safety and for worthwhile battles for all our athletes every week.
Or Al Furlow stripping the ball from the arms of the McMurry defensive captain to prevent a go-ahead TD in the last minute of the game...   >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 03, 2009, 11:34:19 AM
Wes:  Thanks for sharing more of your thoughts and perspective.  I must say that I can't 'not' agree with most of it.   When I look at the whole sports thing from my alumni perspective at my own University, I am like you, expressing dismay over coaching changes, player issues, administration mistakes, repetitive mistakes and all those things that make a contributing alum frustrated, especially when it is over 5, 10, 15 + years.

Believe me, I understand how it is (was) once my Fraters graduated, the players got younger (ha) and the big connection was just the school, the colors and the tradition.  After a while, each years' media guide and program was just another set of somebody else's kids.  My wife reminds me that they are indeed someone else's kids as I begin to shout or express specific displeasure in the stands during our Millsaps games.

(note: I have never taken your remarks as unkind or mean-spirited.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 03, 2009, 12:16:12 PM
  All this tough talk has me thinking. If tough games build character the Roo's have enough to open a store front. I belive one of the hardest things to do in football is take a "doormat" team and turn them in to a consistent contender. AC is on the verge of turning that corner. I am proud of this Roo team for continuing to fight week in and week out. Injury has played a role of coarse, but I think thats what finally caught up with Centre as well.

  Its kind of funny how my brothers college career has mirrored his highschool. As a freshman and sophomore his team would strugle to win a game. As a junior they finished 5-5, and as a senior they went 8-2 and lost to Sherman (oddly enough as now he plays in Sherman) in the second round of the playoffs. We sure were wanting something closer to that 8-2 mark, but despite the misfortune, the lack of local coverage, the small crowds(although they seem larger this year), these young men continue to fight. I have been surprised at the how much more physical this level is over highschool. My idea of D3 football was not bad before becoming a fan , just non existent really. Now as my little brothers career nears its end I am grateful my two sons have been witness to the young men of Austin College. I will certainly not stear them away from a D3 school if they choose that rout in the not to distant future.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 03, 2009, 12:33:30 PM
The last few posts have been interesting.  I think everyone here would agree that sports have value, but what we value most from sports seem to differ greatly by our situations and experiences.  It makes sense that a parent, a former player, a long time fan, etc, would see things in a different light.

For me, my viewpoint is shaped greatly by the fact that I was an absolutely terrible athlete as a child.  The last one picked in neighborhood games, usually the worst player on my youth league team.  Why I continued to play sports is a mystery considering my total ineptness across the board.  Fortunately, in college I lost a lot of weight and became fairly decent in a lot of sports so I did have a taste of athletic success until my mid-30's when coaching took more and more time away from playing.

When one has grown up being a terrible athlete, maybe it is self-preservation to take the attitude that winning and losing isn't the most important thing.  A person learns to focus more on the experiences gained, the lessons learned, the importance of trying even when success may seem unlikely.  You also learn to appreciate all the members of a team because you know what it's like to always stand outside of the spotlight.

As a supporter of Millsaps sports teams, naturally I want to see them win games and championships, but it's not much of a factor in my support.  It was great to see a Millsaps mens basketball team get to the Final 8 a few years ago, but it was just as exciting to see a lesser talented team working so hard last year in an effort to qualify for the SCAC Tournament.  Last year's team didn't reach their goal, but I suspect they learned lessons and experienced things just as valuable in the long run as the lessons and experiences gained by the Final 8 team.

I can easily see the point of view of everyone who chimed in over the last few posts.  I understand the parents who will lose interest when their child graduates, something that has happened with my brother.  I understand the former players who want to see their team return to the top or reach the top for the first time.  And I understand the fans who feel like more could and should be done to improve their program.  For me, you give me coaches and players who are working hard and doing their best and I'll be a supporter of that program regardless of their record.  Fortunately, that's what I find the vast majority of times when covering the teams at Millsaps.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 03, 2009, 01:56:54 PM
To fans of the Monon Bell Classic and DIII football...the following was just posted on the "Bring Game Day to the Monon" Facebook page... :)


Now is the crucial time to make sure ESPN knows how much the two schools want gameday here. If you haven't already done so, please send your emails ASAP. If you've already sent one, send another. A decision will likely be made within the next 48 hours, so now is the time. Once again, here's how to do it:

1. Go to http://proxy.espn.go.com/espn/contact?lang=EN&country=united states
2. Click that you have a comment about something on ESPN
3. Pick any cable service provider
4. Under Category, pick TV Studio Shows
5. Under Item, pick College Gameday
6. Under Topic, pick anything (I chose schedule, but it's whatever)

We at DePauw are currently working on petitioning Gameday producers and Bill Rasmussen himself in an attempt to make some headway. We need to keep a constant flow of emails headed into ESPN though. If every person in the group sent one more email though, it wouldn't be a problem.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 03, 2009, 10:22:25 PM
With all the talk about SCAC quarterbacks the other day, I decided to do a little research myself and got a little help from the Millsaps SID. I see that Chris Graves has had a very quiet breakout season in his first and ONLY year as a starter. He only had one TD and 200 yards entering this season, and has thrown for 2,222 yards and 28 TDs against only 5 interceptions. I also read that he's thrown for 19 touchdowns and ZERO picks the last six weeks, a stretch of 192 passes without an interception.

Of course I'm bragging on our QB a little, but he deserves it. It will be very interesting come All-Conference voting when you've got Spud Dick, Andy Braly and Graves all in the mix for only one First Team All-SCAC spot.

With Centre, DePauw and Millsaps all tied for first, I've got to root like heck for the 'Roos this weekend. But, with Dick and Alex Koors on the field, it's going to have to be a very off day for the Tigers. Unfortunately for Millsaps, we're staying home this postseason. DePauw 37, Austin 23.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 04, 2009, 12:07:44 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 03, 2009, 10:22:25 PM
With all the talk about SCAC quarterbacks the other day, I decided to do a little research myself and got a little help from the Millsaps SID. I see that Chris Graves has had a very quiet breakout season in his first and ONLY year as a starter. He only had one TD and 200 yards entering this season, and has thrown for 2,222 yards and 28 TDs against only 5 interceptions. I also read that he's thrown for 19 touchdowns and ZERO picks the last six weeks, a stretch of 192 passes without an interception.

Of course I'm bragging on our QB a little, but he deserves it. It will be very interesting come All-Conference voting when you've got Spud Dick, Andy Braly and Graves all in the mix for only one First Team All-SCAC spot.

Go ahead and brag! All great points about Chris. I thought he turned in a gritty performance against AC to start the conference season back in September and it seems he's gotten better and better as the year has gone by. He had some really big shoes to fill and has done a super job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MajorDad on November 04, 2009, 07:36:37 AM
I will be the first to admit that coming into this season, i had reservations about Graves. What a surprise he turned out to be. Its no secret that he is a big part of the reason we again share a conference title. I knew our defense, while losing a few stand-outs, would be formidable, just due to Coach Dubose and his defensive mind. But the offense losing what they lost, and being able to score like they have is a testiment to how those boys have stepped up, especially Graves and our two great running backs. Has been a pleasure to watch.......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 04, 2009, 11:00:59 AM
I guess I feel compelled to weigh in on the quarterback "discussion". I'll try to keep my reference to stats simple and without spin. Obviously, both of the quarterbacks referenced in earlier posts are fine players and critical parts of their respective teams. The following is not in any way meant to diminish the accomplishments of any other quarterbacks in the league, because there are some very good players.

However, DePauw's Spud Dick:

•   Is the SCAC statistical leader, by a wide margin, in passing yards per game (12th nationally), total offense and passing efficiency (8th nationally).  He trails only in touchdown passes to Chris Graves (who has played very well this year) 28-19; but Spud has played in three fewer games and still has two regular season games to play;
•   Good quarterbacks are accurate: Spud's 71.9% completion rate is the second best in the nation, one of only four QB's in the country above the 70% mark. The next best in the SCAC are in the low to mid 50's.

So the raw statistics paint a compelling story of the kind of year Spud and the DePauw Tigers are having.

But there is more to being a quality quarterback than stats. Top drawer QB's know how to get their team into good plays and out of bad plays at the line of scrimmage, know where to deliver the ball, do it quickly and accurately(again, the 71.9% completion rate). In Last week's win against Birmingham Southern, Spud's 24 completions went to six different receivers; 6 touchdowns passes against Rhodes went to five different players, his 25 completions in that game to eight different receivers.

It's also worth noting that after being knocked out of the Centre game and missing the following game with a concussion, his return to the field was against defending champ Millsaps, a must win game (as all of them have been since Centre) against a formidable defense. He responded with 28-34(82%), 372 yards and 3 touchdowns in the Tigers' 29-27 win (which, of course, the defense, special teams and entire team played equally important roles).

This is way more than I sat down to write, but I got the sense from an earlier post that Spud was simply "about passing" statistics. The bottom line is he has not only put up big numbers, league leading numbers...he understands how to play the position of quarterback, including the important elements of leadership and mental toughness.

But there is much more work to be done...specifically a very tough opponent in Austin College this weekend and then Wabash and the Monon Bell the following week. A playoff berth is possible...but only if the Tigers continue to take care of business against two good teams with very good players. Tiger nation looks forward to a battle against Austin Saturday and hope all of the 'Roos have a safe trip to Indiana.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 04, 2009, 11:52:40 AM
I belive the previous post was ment to shed light on the dramatic difference in the role of the QB postion at DePauw and AC. I have seen Spud play and he does exhibit great leadership and mental toughness. I also noticed , as in most spread offence, the bulk of the passes are down the line of scrimige or with in 3-8 yards. That is the system and Spud executes it at a VERY high level. This is not to say that DPU doesnt throw the ball down the field, they do, but alot of their success comes from yards after the catch.

In contrast watch AC's QB on saturday. Most of his throws will be down the field and he doesnt get run plays off. After a pitch or toss he bookes it up field to lay a block on an interior lineman or linebacker! He executes the system at a VERY high level, but with a very different statistical outcome. I am bias because he is my little brother, but I know he is one of the toughest men I have ever met. He played the Millsaps game with bruised ribs, an ac srain in his trowing sholder(that sidelined OU's Sam Bradford), and a broken left hand.

I didnt mean for this to turn in to a rant, I just want to shed light on the different roles a QB can be expected to have in different offensive systems. I am disappointed that Andy and his team have been snubed in the POTW this year. I guess it will take a Tiger skin to break that barrier!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 04, 2009, 12:18:34 PM
"I am disappointed that Andy and his team have been snubed in the POTW this year. I guess it will take a Tiger skin to break that barrier!"

That comment about the POTW awards says a lot.  Right or wrong, when it comes to awards it is most often "to the victor goes the spoils".  Suppose DePauw had gone undefeated in the 2008 regular season instead of Millsaps--don't you think Spud would have been the SCAC Offensive POTY instead of Juan Joseph?  Fair or not, individual awards are tied in with team success in the SCAC and just about everywhere else.

That being said, it doesn't take away anything from the competitiveness shown by the Austin team this season.  That's a program on the rise and a program that will soon be a factor in the SCAC Championship talk.  Naturally, as a Millsaps fan, I hope that soon means this Saturday instead of next year!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bearmo17 on November 04, 2009, 12:27:54 PM
Hey former DePauw players and coaches i am still looking for replies to our annual Monon Bell section on what playing in the Monon Bell meant to you? Just how big was it? What is your favorite memory? What does it mean since you have graduated?

Alumni, same question? What does it mean to you? Do you get together every year? Do you have any rituals.

If you want to share send to blewis@thepaper24-7.com and it just may appear. Please sign you name and year you graduated and where you live currently.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 04, 2009, 12:28:32 PM
Quote"I am disappointed that Andy and his team have been snubed in the POTW this year. I guess it will take a Tiger skin to break that barrier!"

That comment about the POTW awards says a lot.  Right or wrong, when it comes to awards it is most often "to the victor goes the spoils".  Suppose DePauw had gone undefeated in the 2008 regular season instead of Millsaps--don't you think Spud would have been the SCAC Offensive POTY instead of Juan Joseph?  Fair or not, individual awards are tied in with team success in the SCAC and just about everywhere else.

That being said, it doesn't take away anything from the competitiveness shown by the Austin team this season.  That's a program on the rise and a program that will soon be a factor in the SCAC Championship talk.  Naturally, as a Millsaps fan, I hope that soon means this Saturday instead of next year!!!

Frank---
You beat me to it. Well said. Except for the part about this Saturday!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on November 04, 2009, 12:33:23 PM
O.k. I am bored so I will comment on the QB discussion.  I will begin by saying I have no doubt these are all great young men - this is nothing personnal toward any of them.  I am a little - no wait- alot partial! Go ROOS!

D3DPUFan-you are correct, in this 'modern' day of football the QB throwing Per Centage is the almighty stat. So the 1st Team SCAC QB is probably already written.  It is what it is.  Again I am sure they are all great young men-I know Andy is.

So all of that being said, here it is.  I am not that impressed with Throwing % in the era of Bubble and Slips from a QB standing 5 yards deep in the Gun. A QB reading a 3 or a 5 technique with a 250 pound D-Lineman trying to hit you in the mouth seem to be a little more of a challenge.  Seems to take a big pair to pull this off. Remember, I admitted I was partial. I Love a little Smash Mouth-Old School Football!  That is why I like D3!  If you think it is easy, go out to your driveway today and play chicken with your wife driving the ole' family van!

Just a thought.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 04, 2009, 12:47:01 PM
Quote
QuoteO.k. I am bored so I will comment on the QB discussion.  I will begin by saying I have no doubt these are all great young men - this is nothing personnal toward any of them.  I am a little - no wait- alot partial! Go ROOS!

D3DPUFan-you are correct, in this 'modern' day of football the QB throwing Per Centage is the almighty stat. So the 1st Team SCAC QB is probably already written.  It is what it is.  Again I am sure they are all great young men-I know Andy is.

So all of that being said, here it is.  I am not that impressed with Throwing % in the era of Bubble and Slips from a QB standing 5 yards deep in the Gun. A QB reading a 3 or a 5 technique with a 250 pound D-Lineman trying to hit you in the mouth seem to be a little more of a challenge.  Seems to take a big pair to pull this off. Remember, I admitted I was partial. I Love a little Smash Mouth-Old School Football!  That is why I like D3!  If you think it is easy, go out to your driveway today and play chicken with your wife driving the ole' family van!
Just a thought.

I appreciate your take...just make sure you get your facts right if you are taking a pot shot. DePauw certainly does run the quick passing game with effectiveness, but does not throw hardly any passes "down the line of scrimmage" and not very many "bubble" screens.  In fact, they actually complete one or two passes down the field each game.  ;) Also, just so you know,  DePauw takes the majority of snaps UNDER center, not in the gun. And I guess it's personal preference regarding "smash mouth"...an option read moving down the line or standing defenseless in the pocket checking down to a 2nd or 3rd option with that 250 pounder bearing down.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 04, 2009, 12:49:29 PM
...and Frank, just so you know...Juan would have gotten the recognition regardless with those numbers! WOW. He was a special player who made his team go...in a big way!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on November 04, 2009, 12:55:31 PM
D3_DPUFan, I sent the instructions to email ESPN to all the DPU football parents (actually, I sent it to Gerry Dick who sent it on since he already had the email list).  If nothing else, maybe we will get a significant mention during Gameday.  We will see.  Thanks for posting it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FBCleatus on November 04, 2009, 01:14:35 PM
D3_DPUFan, my apology sir, Was not meant as a pot shot.  It was not a commentary of DePauw or anyone else.  I could not begin to tell you what people do with their play calling.  I started by saying they were all great young men.

Just seems to be in this era of video-Madden-X Box-fine em for being too physical football - If you are not chunking it/you are not playing football. It seems there is more to being a QB than throwing. Sorry if I offended anyone!  No doubt whoever is named 1st/2nd/3rd/ or fourth team will be deserving. Not very many of these young men who are playing for the 'Love' do not deserve. Heck give them all an award!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 04, 2009, 01:29:04 PM
QuoteD3_DPUFan, my apology sir, Was not meant as a pot shot.  It was not a commentary of DePauw or anyone else.  I could not begin to tell you what people do with their play calling.  I started by saying they were all great young men.

Just seems to be in this era of video-Madden-X Box-fine em for being too physical football - If you are not chunking it/you are not playing football. It seems there is more to being a QB than throwing. Sorry if I offended anyone!  No doubt whoever is named 1st/2nd/3rd/ or fourth team will be deserving. Not very many of these young men who are playing for the 'Love' do not deserve. Heck give them all an award!

No problems...on to bigger and better things...like a football game this weekend!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 04, 2009, 01:31:07 PM
QuoteD3_DPUFan, I sent the instructions to email ESPN to all the DPU football parents (actually, I sent it to Gerry Dick who sent it on since he already had the email list).  If nothing else, maybe we will get a significant mention during Gameday.  We will see.  Thanks for posting it.

Great...there's been a lot of effort an emails/messages, etc. directed toward Bristol, CT...we'll see what, if anything, comes of it...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 04, 2009, 01:35:45 PM
Quote
Great...there's been a lot of effort an emails/messages, etc. directed toward Bristol, CT...we'll see what, if anything, comes of it...

We know first hand how to get recognition from ESPN and Sports Center... simply have 15 laterals against you. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 04, 2009, 01:37:20 PM
QuoteWe know first hand how to get recognition from ESPN and Sports Center... simply have 15 laterals against you.

THAT is beautiful... :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on November 04, 2009, 02:26:44 PM
Millsaps vs. Sewanee photos link
http://www.photoreflect.com/pr3/thumbpage.aspx?e=5559223
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 04, 2009, 06:11:30 PM
Boy, you guys are great!!! I just wish we were gathered around a tailgate instead of a computer monitor. But I also wish Tyler O. could have played the entire season. No doubt he would have figured heavily in the recent dialogue. And the thing is, we could do this about most any position on the field.

As I've said before - I'm not an expert, but I love this game and our young men who play it!

Looks like great weather for the game Saturday at DePauw. I hope the game is as good as last year's and that the Roo's can give the Tigers all they can handle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 04, 2009, 08:18:06 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on December 24, 2008, 09:40:23 AM
My Christmas gift to all my fellow D3-SCAC message boarders is to pass this most excellent story along to all of you ... in three parts for your reading enjoyment.  The Christmas spirit lives...

...Ladies and gentlemen, it just doesn't get any better than this.  Coach Hogan and Grapevine Faith players, parents and fans ... I SALUTE YOU.

May God Bless You All this season and in 2009.

One of my favorite posts since I've been following this board was this one from TigerDad last Dec, 24th. He provided three links for this terrific high school "football" story. If you got to read them you will remember that it was much more!

Today's Star-Telegram in Fort Worth has a "one year later" follow-up at this link:
           http://www.star-telegram.com/highschools/story/1734436.html

It does not say so here, but a few months ago I also read that there is a movie in the works about this whole story. If you missed this last December I encourage you to go back to TigerDad's post and try the original links. - Thanks again "TD"!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 04, 2009, 10:53:26 PM
Not a lot of good news in the region ranking today.  DePauw still 10th.  I know what I posted a couple days ago, but now I think DePauw might just be the first team out. (EDIT: or even further out than that......)

Kean (if they beat Montclair St)
Springfield (although they don't have a very good win)
UMHB
W&J
Wheaton
St. Thomas

That's 6.  You might exchange Coe with Springfield at your own leisure, but either way, DePauw isn't on the board at #10 in the south.  I think the other 5 are pretty solid, barring Wheaton losing to IWU or St. Thomas losing to Bethel.

Is a Monon win enough to pass a Kean or a Coe?  I still don't know.  I'm not really confident about it, I know that much.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Schwami on November 04, 2009, 11:21:55 PM
Wes, maybe it would be enough to move ahead of W&J, who is barely ahead of DPU in the rankings.  It would also help DPU if Thomas More loses to MSJ.  A win over a regionally ranked opponent in the final game of the season is bound to make an impression.  At least, I'm counting on it too, for Wabash's sake  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 04, 2009, 11:33:59 PM
I'll chime in with a few random bullet points:

1) Chris Graves has been a very pleasant surprise...and you are right about him leading the team quitely and putting up numbers without much fanfare.  After the last game and all the crowds had gone, it was a poignant sight to watch him just riding in the back of the campus golf cart, heading back to his room, no throngs or high fives, just a ride back.  (can't picture that at LSU or Ole Miss, for the starting QB)

2) QB stats can be real misleading.

3) I am about sick of the short throw to the Back 2 or 3 yards behind the line.

4) Millsaps Kicker Russolino has made the October Fred Mitchell Award list and has set some serious records thus far in his 3 years, per the Milsaps Website.  With 1 more year to go, he will propbably have just about all the kicking records for the school.

5) Frank's point about 'perspective' was spot-on.  I can't add anything to it, so I won't try.

6) The increasing parity in the SCAC has made things a lot more interesting.


That's it for now!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 05, 2009, 07:17:21 AM
Bring College GameDay to the Monon Bell Game - The Petition Site

www.thepetitionsite.com

Students, alumni and friends of Wabash College and DePauw University trying to convince ESPN to host College GameDay at the 116th edition of the Monon Bell Classic.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2009, 09:45:52 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 05, 2009, 07:17:21 AM
Bring College GameDay to the Monon Bell Game - The Petition Site

www.thepetitionsite.com

Students, alumni and friends of Wabash College and DePauw University trying to convince ESPN to host College GameDay at the 116th edition of the Monon Bell Classic.

The actual link to the petition is:

http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/monon-bell
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 05, 2009, 09:55:57 AM
Thanks for the help side, Ron...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 05, 2009, 03:21:45 PM
Quote from: rooski on November 04, 2009, 08:18:06 PM
One of my favorite posts since I've been following this board was this one from TigerDad last Dec, 24th. He provided three links for this terrific high school "football" story. If you got to read them you will remember that it was much more!

Great followup story ... thanks for posting that, Rooski!  Go Tornadoes!  Wish I lived in the DFW area to attend this year's game just to see this fine example of sportsmanship in person.  FYI, I did send a note to Grapevine football coach Kris Hogan last December ... his humble reply was a blessing to me.  What a great testimony to his players, their families and the boys from Gainesville.

Had to dig back 105 pages in this SCAC topic, so I thought I'd re-post the original links for those interested ... the links are still good, I just tried them a minute ago.

BACKGROUND INFO FROM NOVEMBER 2008

1. First, the newspaper story ...

Grapevine Faith football fans cheer for Gainesville State for a day
by David Thomas, Fort Worth Star-Telegram
Monday, November 10, 2008
http://www.wacotrib.com/prep/content/living/stories/2008/11/10/11102008wacFBHfaith.html

2. Faith Christian coach Kris Hogan's e-mail sent to parents and fans ...

Grapevine Faith's night of football, goodwill
by Matt Wixon, Dallas Morning News "HS GameTime" Blog
Thursday, November 7, 2008
http://highschoolsportsblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2008/11/grapevine-faiths-night-of-football-goodw.html

3. Finally, Sports Illustrated's version of the story ...

Life of Reilly:
There are some games where cheering for the other side feels better than winning.

by Rick Reilly, Sports Illustrated
November-December 2008
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3789373

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baercom.com%2Fimages%2Fsmiley-thumbup2-ani.gif&hash=26b40b4615511e6d78e2866df7d709053afb27a1)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 05, 2009, 03:39:13 PM
Quote from: Schwami on November 04, 2009, 11:21:55 PM
Wes, maybe it would be enough to move ahead of W&J, who is barely ahead of DPU in the rankings.  It would also help DPU if Thomas More loses to MSJ.  A win over a regionally ranked opponent in the final game of the season is bound to make an impression.  At least, I'm counting on it too, for Wabash's sake  ;)

The difference between Wabash and DPU in the current at-large discussion is that Wabash is at the top of the North region at-large list while DPU is currently ranked as the 4th at-large team in the South.  If the selection happened today, DPU wouldn't even come close to the discussion.  It's a much more uneasy situation for Tiger fans. 

Of course the other side of the coin is that DPU has a much more reasonable shot at getting into Pool A than does Wabash.  And if the AQ doesn't pan out for DPU, I think a win over Wabash (even if the loss knocks Wabash out of the final regional rankings), would be strong enough to push DPU over Dickinson and W&J to be the second team in line in the South...and in good shape to make the field. 

Wes, I don't think W&J is as safe as you might think.  Their SOS is wretched and they don't have any good wins (non con wins against Oberlin and Frostburg State...and the PAC is pretty brutal this year).  I think W&J still needs some pretty significant help to get in. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2009, 04:10:54 PM
Game notes for Centre @ Trinity are out:

Trinity notes (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/FB09.pdf)
Centre notes (http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/game_notes/0910/trinity.pdf)

I am planning to be there.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 05, 2009, 04:49:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2009, 04:10:54 PM
Game notes for Centre @ Trinity are out:

Trinity notes (http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/FB09.pdf)
Centre notes (http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/game_notes/0910/trinity.pdf)

I am planning to be there.   :)

I'll pick Trinity to roll over Centre, 37-21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 05, 2009, 05:05:29 PM
QuoteI'll pick Trinity to roll over Centre, 37-21. 

I like the way you think. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 05, 2009, 05:10:43 PM
The Magic Eight Ball says: 34-7, Trinity takes it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 05, 2009, 06:37:33 PM
QuoteThe Magic Eight Ball says: 34-7, Trinity takes it.

Ha! I like that even better!  ;)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2009, 06:58:21 PM
It is early to talk about DPU-Wabash, but I like to think that the game is a barometer between the SCAC and the NCAC, and in turn, the non-OAC/non-CCIW contingency in the North Region.

Maybe one cannot read that much into a rivalry game, but it does give us a good game to follow every year.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wesleyuncle on November 05, 2009, 10:33:37 PM
My brothers daughter goes to Wesley.  She said that a footbal player was dismissed on Sunday from the team and the College.  Anybody know what this is about?  She said he was a star player.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2009, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: wesleyuncle on November 05, 2009, 10:33:37 PM
My brothers daughter goes to Wesley.  She said that a footbal player was dismissed on Sunday from the team and the College.  Anybody know what this is about?  She said he was a star player.

Wesley is not a SCAC team.    Try the ACFC board (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=3755.3600).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 06, 2009, 01:38:29 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 05, 2009, 05:05:29 PM
QuoteI'll pick Trinity to roll over Centre, 37-21. 

I like the way you think. ;)

I don't like the way you think!  But I tend to agree.  Centre has everything riding on this battle, but Trinity playing in San Antonio coming off a so-so season record-wise and having lost to the Colonels in Danville last year will be prepared to administer pain.  Hoping Centre surprises and wins this game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 06, 2009, 02:19:32 PM
QuoteI don't like the way you think!  But I tend to agree.  Centre has everything riding on this battle, but Trinity playing in San Antonio coming off a so-so season record-wise and having lost to the Colonels in Danville last year will be prepared to administer pain.  Hoping Centre surprises and wins this game.

Understand...I know we all hope for a well played game with no injuries. I'm sure it will be a battle in San Antonio!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 06, 2009, 04:11:02 PM
Mixed emotions about the last home TU game this season.  I certainly hope the boys show up with their pride and emotion.  We need to send our seniors off in style, even if we're not in the playoff hunt.  These next two games are going to tell me a helluva lot about the future of TU football. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 06, 2009, 11:59:34 PM
No mixed emotions here.  Trinity dominated Centre last year in Danville (in my opinion), but gave up two quick TD's just before halftime in less than 10 seconds gametime.  The Tigers ended up losing it by nine and eliminating themselves from a possible Pool C bid to the playoffs.

Tomorrow, Trinity needs to start strong and never let up.  I'd like to see TU hang about 30 on the Colonels before the half and erase the memory of last year's loss.  I believe the seniors will agree with me. 

TCB, Tigers.  Don't get mad, get even.

>:(



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 07, 2009, 08:03:38 AM
I went to a high school game last night, and the lady infront of me son plays at Weaton! Its a small D3 world we live in.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 07, 2009, 09:01:31 AM
It will be an interesting day of scoreboard watching for the fans at Millsaps, Centre and DePauw.

With a bye week, Millsaps fans have no concerns except for hoping Austin upsets DePauw which is the only way Millsaps gets into the NCAA Playoffs.  Centre fans are pulling for their team to pull un upset on the road (in my opinion) and for DePauw to take care of business at home--if Austin wins then Centre does not get the automatic qualifier.  Likewise, DePauw fans need a home team victory and they need Trinity to also win over Centre.

One of three teams will clinch the AQ today and Trinity is only playing the role of a spoiler--the SCAC landscape has certainly changed a lot in the last few years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 07, 2009, 12:36:59 PM
While others are getting ready for their games, Millsaps fans are spending the weekend as 'Roo fans. 

I have serious doubts that the DePauw players will be looking passed this game in any way.  Maybe the DePauw fans, but not the coaches and players.  The advantage Austin has today is that they had the bye week to prepare for DePauw while DePauw was on the road to BSC.  That's a significant plus for Austin and I also think Austin is the team with a lot to gain and nothing to lose which makes them very dangerous.  DePauw also has a lot to gain but they also have a lot to lose, something that always makes the job more difficult.

Considering that these teams played such a tight game last season, I expect that same type of tight game today.  It seems like the key will be for Austin to keep the game close early so they can stick with the run a lot, grinding out points and chewing up the clock.  It should be a very interesting game to follow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 01:23:22 PM
4:06 remaining in 1st quarter

Austin College - 0
Depauw Universiy - 0

Depauw has great field position after pinning Austin at their own 1followed by a short Austin punt, but fails to score in the Red Zone, missing a short 30 yard field goal.

Big series for Austin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 07, 2009, 01:29:43 PM
DePauw definitely has controlled the game and field position.  Still, the 1st quarter ends at 0-0 with DePauw in possession of the ball near the Austin 20.

In the pregame and during the game broadcast it was said that a DePauw win and Centre loss would give DePauw the outright SCAC Championship.  Odd that the announcers wouldn't know that both Centre and DePauw need to win today to join Millsaps as a SCAC Co-Champion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 01:34:37 PM
 13:11 remaining in 2nd quarter

Short post  / corner pass to Mulligan on 3rd and goal from 5

Austin College - 0
Depauw Universiy - 7

Depauw has had fantastic field position the whole game - 2 trips to the Red Zone and 1 score

Big series next for Austin

To follow game online -

Audio broadcast -

http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/listen.asp

Live stats -

http://www.depauw.edu/ath/live/football/xlive.htm
Title: Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 01:41:43 PM
10 minutes or so to go in 2nd quarter

Austin College - 0
Depauw Universiy - 7

Ausin moving the ball nicely --- First and 10 Roos at Depauw 23
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2009, 01:44:54 PM
AC ties at 7.   Braly pass complete to Hasten for 24 yards to the DEPAUW0, 1ST DOWN AC, TOUCHDOWN, clock 09:04.
Title: Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 01:47:02 PM
9:04 to go  in 2nd Quarter

Austin College - 7
Depauw Universiy - 7

Ausin scores on 4th and 12 from the Depauw 24 with a screen to Ross Hasten

78 yard 4:03 drive for Roos

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 07, 2009, 01:47:57 PM
I hope Trinity dominates Centre again this year and loses by 9 again.
Go Colonels!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 01:50:38 PM
7:55 to go  in 2nd Quarter

Austin College - 7
Depauw Universiy - 7

Ausin stops Tigers on next series

4th and 8 from the Depauw 35

Title: Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 01:55:25 PM
5:12 to go  in 2nd Quarter

Austin College - 14
Depauw Universiy - 7

 1-10 on Depauw36 Hasten rush for 36 yards to the DEPAUW0, 1ST DOWN AC, TOUCHDOWN, clock 05:12.
Title: Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 02:05:32 PM
1:09 to go  in 2nd Quarter

Austin College - 14
Depauw Universiy - 14

Tigers answer -

2nd 01:09 DEPAUW - Alex Koors 8 yd pass from Spud Dick

2 Austin personal fouls help Tigers tie things back up
Title: Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 02:17:44 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

Half time -

Austin College - 14
Depauw Universiy - 14

Roos end first half at Depauw 30

Questionable clock management by Austin on last drive of the half. Austin leaves the field at half time with 2 timeouts left on the board.

Austin receives kick-off to start second half

Team offensive statistics AC  DEPAUW  
FIRST DOWNS  10 11
  Rushing 5 2
  Passing 4 6
  Penalty 1 3
RUSHING ATTEMPTS-YARDS  21-109 15-45
  Avg. per rush 5.2 3.0
PASSING YARDS  71 142
  Comp-Att-Int  5-9-0   16-22-0  
  Avg. per pass 7.9 6.5
  Avg. per completion 14.2 8.9
TOTAL OFFENSE YARDS  180 187
  Avg. gain per play 6.0 5.1
FUMBLES NO-LOST  0-0 0-0
3rd-Down Conversions  2-6 4-7
4th-Down Conversions  2-2 0-0
Possession Time  11:31 18:29
Red-Zone Conversions  0-0 2-
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 07, 2009, 02:24:47 PM
Keep it going, Go Roos!
Title: Austin College v Depauw University
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 02:35:57 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

Start of 3rd quarter -

Austin College - 14
Depauw Universiy - 14

Roos moving ball on first drive - Austin at Depauw 25
Title: Austin College v Depauw University
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 02:42:21 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

About 10:30 left in the 3rd quarter -

Austin College - 17
Depauw Universiy - 14

Andy Braly is playing a masterful game and is picking the Depauw defense apart varying the throw / run alternatives with the Austin option style offense

Depauw weathers a big hit in the mouth at start of second half. Bends but doesn't break in the red zone and Austin has to settle for 3 with a 29 yard field goal

66 yard 4 minute drive for the Roos
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2009, 02:46:17 PM
Big stop there.  Need to hold them to 3 more often.

TU goes down for a 27 yd field goal on their first drive.  Centre now driving in TU territory.
Title: Austin College v Depauw University
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 02:51:36 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

6:34 left in the 3rd quarter -

Austin College - 17
Depauw Universiy - 21

DEPAUW - Derrick Karazsia 1 yd run (Jordan Havercamp kick)

Spud Dick does a nice job of responding to the Austin score

Drive: 8 plays, 69 yards, Used 4:05
Title: Austin College v Depauw University
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 02:53:42 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

6:00 left in the 3rd quarter -

Austin College - 17
Depauw Universiy - 21

Austin goes 3 and out --- punt to Tigers / they begin on the Depauw 38
Title: Austin College v Depauw University
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 03:04:32 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

1:15 left in the 3rd quarter -

Austin College - 17
Depauw Universiy - 28

Depauw completes nice drive after close potential turnover call at midfield
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 07, 2009, 03:05:35 PM
This seems like one of those games where Austin needs things to go close to perfect.  It feels like the combination of Austin settling for a FG instead of a TD on the opening drive and then the near interception that was ruled a DePauw completion on the last drive are the type things that add up to a DePauw win in the long run.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2009, 03:09:29 PM
Yeah, Frank.  Once that DePauw passing game gets rolling, the opponent has to execute perfectly to even stick around.  Spud's 23-29 for 238 and 2 scores. 

Alex Koors became the school's single season receiving leader on that last drive.  He's at an even 1000 yards as I write this.  Broke John Stephens record of 991 in 2001.

10-0 TU now.  Davidson to Urban from 23 yards out early in the 2nd.  TU just recovered an onside kick, but then Staska fumbled inside the Centre 20.
Title: Austin College v Depauw University
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 03:10:04 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

End of the 3rd quarter -

Austin College - 17
Depauw Universiy - 28

Austin dodges a bullet after fumble springs loose on the Austin College 15

Roos follow-up and pick up first down

Now moving ball on their own 43 at the end of the 3rd quarter
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on November 07, 2009, 03:11:41 PM
The other thing is that Austin is not really a quick strike team, so unless they put some points on the board on this drive, it could be real bad!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 03:13:41 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

12 minutes to go in 4th quarter -

Austin College - 23
Depauw Universiy - 28

Austin responds with a score, goes for 2 point conversion and fails

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 07, 2009, 03:19:30 PM
c'mon, Austin.....take these guys!!!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2009, 03:26:58 PM
Centre's finally on the board on their 3rd trip inside the Trinity 40.  4 yarder from Conliffe to Saylor.  10-7 TU with 6 minutes left in the 2nd.
Title: Austin College v Depauw University
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 03:30:43 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

4 or 5 minutes to go in 4th quarter -

Austin College - 23
Depauw Universiy - 34

Depauw scores goes for 2 / 2 point try fails
Title: Austin College v Depauw University
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 03:43:08 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

Under 2 minutes in 4th quarter -

Austin College - 23
Depauw Universiy - 34

Depauw with ball in Austin territory - 3rd and 1 on 34 yard line


Title: Austin College v Depauw University
Post by: Carl Menist on November 07, 2009, 03:47:31 PM
Austin College v Depauw University - November 7, 2009 - 1:00 EST
Greencastle, Indiana

Austin College - 23
Depauw Universiy - 34

Depauw wins - clinches share of SCAC Championship with Millsaps / possibly Centre depending on results of Trinity game now underway
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2009, 03:50:25 PM
Glad that's out of the way. 

MONON WEEK.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 07, 2009, 03:58:05 PM
While I love the work done by the DePauw broadcast team, they have been saying all game that Trinity beating Centre will give DePauw the SCAC outright title.  Now they are talking about DePauw finally getting in the playoffs, a premature statement with a half to go at Trinity.

It's sort of amazing that they could be that unaware of the situation and the standings in the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2009, 04:15:08 PM
Coach Mohr is in the back of the playbook today.  Trinity drove down and tried a fake FG.  They had the guy open, but the holder couldn't get it to him.  Still 10-7 TU early 3rd.

Centre turns right around and fumbles it back to Trinity.  Davidson goes in from 1 yd out.  17-7 TU.

Centre drives it down inside the 10, but can't get in.  23 yd FG is good.  17-10 with 3:24 in the 3rd.

Trinity pins Centre at the 3, but then they just throw it 97 yards for a score.  17-17 12:17 left.

Chris Baer has happened.  64 yard TD run.  Up to 170 yards on 12 carries.  24-17. 11:17 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 07, 2009, 04:52:46 PM
Baer 64-yard run puts TU back up 24-17... he's now got 170 on the ground today. As much as I was looking for an Austin win today for us to get in, I'd rather TU beat Centre so that DePauw goes to the playoffs. They'll be a much better representative with their style of offense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2009, 05:06:04 PM
Centre turns it over on downs with 4:54 left.  Trinity driving.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on November 07, 2009, 05:09:36 PM
Things are looking good, Wes. Should be an exciting week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 07, 2009, 05:19:31 PM
Trinity kicked a field goal at the horn! 27-17 final!

PLAYOFFS!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2009, 05:45:59 PM
Centre was in real trouble today after Pinque went out with a shoulder injury.  It really disrupted the Colonel offense which, with a couple of exceptions (e.g. 98 yd TD pass) could not get anything going consistently.  

Nice way for Chris Baer to end his home TU playing career.  The Trinity offense sputtered but thanks in large part to his hard running got enough points to overcome the three first-half fumbles.

Congratulations to DPU on their first SCAC playoff bid and good luck next week against Wabash!

And for any Centre parents who may have been at the game, my apologies for a few TU alums (primarily one) who did not represent the university well with abusive comments that do not belong at this level.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 07, 2009, 08:56:02 PM
TU launched a new website today. www.trinitytigers.com

congrats DeP on your playoff spot. Make us proud.

Today's game in SA...three fumbles lost in the first half. Should have been 31-0 at half. But shooting yourself in the foot never works well. Centre hung in there to their credit.

Starting center senior hooten was sitting out todaysgame for injury. Starting guard wassitting out for injury. Backup center goes down with an ankle the first or second drive. Hooten goes in and puts his pads on and plays final 3 quarters.

Baer had a monster day and broke off some tough long runs. I can't wait to post my photos.

TU defense has struggled from time to time obviously this year. Had a few breakdowns today but never gave up. Giving up a 97 yd pass in the 4th was a blemish on an otherwise pretty good day. TU bit on a play action pass and when the receiver caught the ball, he was 3-4 yards behind all the defenders and then turned on the jets.

Centre made this a much closer game than it should have been. Fun game to be at.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 07, 2009, 10:16:14 PM
While it wouldn't have been as satisfying as winning on the field, I still would have taken a playoff berth via an Austin win over DePauw this afternoon.  It was not to be.  With MS College and Huntingdon winning today, the odds are fairly good that Millsaps will end this season with 3 close road losses against NCAA Playoff teams.  One might say that the Huntingdon game wasn't close, but it was certainly going in favor of Millsaps until the Majors lost their 1st and 2nd string QBs in the third quarter.

I have to say that if Millsaps wasn't going to get the SCAC AQ, my second pick was DePauw.  Not that I have anything against the other teams, but it just seems like the DePauw players have been through a lot of coaching turmoil in recent years and this must be extremely gratifying for the seniors who have lived through all of that strife.

For the Millsaps seniors who have been with the program for the last 4 years, what an impressive stretch of 4 straight SCAC Championships and only 2 SCAC losses.  It wasn't very far away from 4 years of undefeated SCAC play.  This Saturday you seniors will take the field at Millsaps for the last time and there is still work to be done--I know you want to go out with a victory.

Congratulations to DePauw and good luck next week and in the Playoffs.  Represent the SCAC well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2009, 10:04:10 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 07, 2009, 05:19:31 PM
Trinity kicked a field goal at the horn! 27-17 final!

PLAYOFFS!
Congratulations to DePauw on the win and the automatic qualifier.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 08, 2009, 10:36:19 AM
QuoteAlex Koors became the school's single season receiving leader on that last drive.  He's at an even 1000 yards as I write this.  Broke John Stephens record of 991 in 2001.

Also yesterday, Bryan Mulligan became the school's all time receptions leader. Mr. Dependable has had quite a career.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 08, 2009, 10:51:54 AM
Pbrooks3, this was certainly a year where Centre had a team capable of winning the SCAC and going to the NCAA Playoffs.  They were really undone by two bad breaks that made winning the SCAC title very difficult.

The first bad break was literal as Centre lost their quarterback early with a broken leg.  The second bad break was this being the year that Centre had to go on the road for all of the games with the main contenders.  Would Centre have won at Millsaps and Trinity with Tyler Osterman at QB?  Maybe.  Would Centre have won at home against Millsaps and/or Trinity either with or without Osterman?  Maybe.  

Naturally, the schedule is what it is and injuries are part of the game.  Next year I guess DePauw will have all the tough games on the road and Centre will have a very favorable home schedule so it all evens out over time.  We all know that an SCAC team has never gotten an at-large bid and the chances will get even slimmer when the SCAC has the teams playing one less game than the NCAA allows.  It's going to be a real challenge in the future to win the SCAC playoff berth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 08, 2009, 06:31:18 PM
Was just looking over the SCAC stats and one thing really jumped out at me. Before you lash back DePauw fans, just look at the numbers.

Of Spud Dick's 2,100 passing yards, 1,900 are to three receivers and 1,550 (74 percent) are to Mulligan and Koors alone. It makes me wonder just how good Dick really is. Is it that Mulligan and Koors are just complete studs, and make Dick look like an All-American QB when he's really just average at best? I know every good quarterback has his favorite targets, but it makes me think that if either Koors or Mulligan went down...season over, playoff run over. Dick gets all sorts of credit on this board, and don't get me wrong he seems to be a decent QB, but the REAL guys that should be getting all the hype are Koors and Mulligan. Hands down I think Koors deserves SCAC Offensive Player of the Year honors with what he's done this year and every year at DePauw.

Either way I want DePauw to play well in the postseason and represent the SCAC well, but those numbers were interesting and NO other team in the SCAC is that lopsided to a pair of receivers. If you look up and down the teams, it is spread out between 5 or 6 receivers and much more balanced.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 08, 2009, 07:41:04 PM
It's the nature of that offense, though.  Koors is a magical athlete who can make some ridiculous catches.  He probably makes Spud better to a degree, and maybe a large degree, but I think that whoever you plug into the X and the Z in that offense are going to have success.  Chris Gasbarra had 9 fewer receptions than Koors in 2007.  Dahlstrom has 9 fewer than Mulligan this year.

I don't think it's so much that Spud really blossomed because of Koors and Mulligan.  It's more that he did because Dustin Ward started calling the plays.  A lot of those throws are slants, curls, and digs.  There's a few deep balls, and both of them have made some catches that not a lot of people make, but if you watch that offense day in and day out, they're open a lot of the time.  Spud's accurate enough to find them even when they aren't.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 08, 2009, 08:03:36 PM
Funny those numbers "jumped out at you". ;) First of all the numbers you quote aren't accurate...the receiving yardage includes numbers from the #2 QB who played in the blowout over Anderson, after Spud got hurt against Centre and Sewanee. In any event of course the WR's are going to have the bulk of the receiving yards...that is the design of the DePauw offense. DePauw is absolutely blessed to have a dynamite receiving corps. Koors, Mulligan and Dahlstrom make their QB look good...and an accurate QB helps those receivers as well.       

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 08, 2009, 10:30:02 PM
Frank's points on Centre's tough luck are relevant. One consolation the Colonels can celebrate 2 solid winning seasons back-to-back. I know Coach Frye and the squad were disappointed in not getting it done in San Antonio. The team will have Osterman and Pinque back next fall - pretty good foundation to build another winner. Maybe 2010 will be the year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 08, 2009, 11:39:43 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 08, 2009, 08:03:36 PM
Funny those numbers "jumped out at you". ;) First of all the numbers you quote aren't accurate...the receiving yardage includes numbers from the #2 QB who played in the blowout over Anderson, after Spud got hurt against Centre and Sewanee. In any event of course the WR's are going to have the bulk of the receiving yards...that is the design of the DePauw offense. DePauw is absolutely blessed to have a dynamite receiving corps. Koors, Mulligan and Dahlstrom make their QB look good...and an accurate QB helps those receivers as well.       



You're right...didn't think about that and just how bad Anderson is. Either way, I would just be nervous to put so many "eggs in one basket" when it comes to Koors, Mulligan, and now Dahlstrom you mentioned. Doesn't it worry you that so much of the offense is surrounded by two guys though? Maybe it's just me, but IF someone finds a way to stop those guys, then what?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 08, 2009, 11:58:35 PM
Then the Trinity game happens.  Koors & Mulligan combined for only 7 catches for 63 yds and a TD because TU double covered both of them most of the day. 

Jon Ellis ran for 121 yds on 15 carries and a TD.  Derrick Karazsia ran for 119 yards on 24 carries.  Dahlstrom also caught 9 for 102.  That's probably the plan to beat DePauw, honestly.  Make them run the ball to win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 09, 2009, 12:05:09 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 08, 2009, 11:58:35 PM
Then the Trinity game happens.  Koors & Mulligan combined for only 7 catches for 63 yds and a TD because TU double covered both of them most of the day. 

Jon Ellis ran for 121 yds on 15 carries and a TD.  Derrick Karazsia ran for 119 yards on 24 carries.  Dahlstrom also caught 9 for 102.  That's probably the plan to beat DePauw, honestly.  Make them run the ball to win.

Then your first playoff berth might have come at the perfect time with everything clicking. It will be interesting to see who ya'll play first. I hope ya'll can win the Monon game to keep the momentum rolling, because a loss there might dampen things a little heading into the postseason where it really counts. Either way, looking forward to listening to the guys from WGRE, they do a fantastic job. I really hope whoever the matchup is will offer video. Just let those guys know that face guarding IS allowed in college football... one of the guys was saying it was an automatic penalty flag in the Austin game, but that's the NFL. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 09, 2009, 05:36:11 AM
QuoteYou're right...didn't think about that and just how bad Anderson is. Either way, I would just be nervous to put so many "eggs in one basket" when it comes to Koors, Mulligan, and now Dahlstrom you mentioned. Doesn't it worry you that so much of the offense is surrounded by two guys though? Maybe it's just me, but IF someone finds a way to stop those guys, then what?

Don't know what your agenda is with the posts, bitterman, but whatever.  DePauw has the best quarterback in the conference because he knows how to get into good plays and out of bad plays at the line of scrimmage and to get the ball those great weapons you mention...at better than a 72% completion rate. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 09, 2009, 06:06:32 AM
QuoteEither way, I would just be nervous to put so many "eggs in one basket" when it comes to Koors, Mulligan, and now Dahlstrom you mentioned.

The way I look at it, that's three baskets, not one. ;)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 09, 2009, 06:56:09 AM
First of all, let me offer my sincere congratulations to the players and coaching staff of the DePauw Tigers football team on their fine season and SCAC championship.  Considering the controversial and difficult beginning of the season (and pages of message board chatter in August), they've done a terrific job!  We wish you all the best this weekend against Wabash and on into the playoffs ... here's hoping you go deep into December and represent the SCAC well.

Secondly, congrats also to the Millsaps Majors ... another excellent year of football in Jackson.  Looks to me like you will have many more successful years to come.  Despite the playoff miss, you are to be commended on a terrific job.

Interesting comments on Centre's difficult schedule ... the SCAC re-draw this year also gave Trinity a tough row to hoe.  TU lost only to DPU and Millsaps on the road ... the two teams who tied for the championship.  I can't honestly say that the Texas Tigers would have beaten either opponent in San Antonio, but next year  both those teams will have to come to Texas and I daresay will have a tougher time than in 2009.

What a great way for our TU Tigers to finish this year's home season ... with a big win in an important game with their reputation and history on the line.  Of course, I would say that, wouldn't I?  Kudos to Centre who put up a very tough fight, but the loss of SCAC rushing leader Pinque before halftime was too much for their offense to replace.  Hope his injury will heal quickly and he will return 100% next season ... he was very quick and VERY hard to bring down that day.

TU's Black Flag really got their back up in the second half and put the hurt on several Colonels.  Special kudos to Ben Robinson, Jarrod Burns, Evan Reville,  Garrett VanDyke and Gus Hoff ... some very big hits and lots of pressure on Centre's QB.  The D-line fought through a very big Centre line all afternoon and really gave the LB's and ends some room to work.

TU's much-criticized offense made up their minds to win that day ... especially a certain senior RB.  The young o-line really stepped up and played tough ... moving bodies and getting downfield to make their assignments and more.  The receivers did a great job catching what they could and putting a hat on somebody when needed.  Seniors Caleb Urban and Riley Curry really showed some leadership and kept everyone on track.  QB Rob Davidson showed good judgement all afternoon and senior QB Jeremy Staska played well when called upon.  C Jordan Hooten showed tremendous heart and dedication to his teammates by strapping on the pads and getting out there when Pat Rhatican went down.  Those guys don't show up in the stats, but they made it happen all afternoon.

Senior RB Chris Baer had the game I've been waiting five years to watch ... he broke a couple big ones and pounded out the yards like nobody's business.  With almost no rest, he tucked his chin in and never let up.  Truly, it reminded me of his high school days (http://www.shinertx.com/shinerhs/va121904.htm).

After the game, the Tigers were all smiles and really got to enjoy the win with family and friends ... it was a perfect day for the men from S.A.

Ah, so ... it comes down to the last game of the year (and of the seniors' careers) this Saturday up in Sherman.  Both TU and AC had some tough breaks this year and have alot of pride on the line for the season finale.  I'll be picking the Tigers, but the 'Roos will be a handful, that's for sure.  Here's hoping for a great game, no injuries on either side, and a beautiful cool fall afternoon.  If we get that, I'm fine with it no matter what the score.  A little bittersweet, but we're ready to finish up and move on ... some more than others, I'm sure.

Life is a series of endings and new beginnings ... can't wait to enjoy both!  Ah, and lest I forget ... Oh Lord, I thank you for the time in between.  What a blessing.
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 09, 2009, 07:04:41 AM
QuoteFirst of all, let me offer my sincere congratulations to the players and coaching staff of the DePauw Tigers football team on their fine season and SCAC championship.  Considering the controversial and difficult beginning of the season (and pages of message board chatter in August), they've done a terrific job!  We wish you all the best this weekend against Wabash and on into the playoffs ... here's hoping you go deep into December and represent the SCAC well.

Secondly, congrats also to the Millsaps Majors ... another excellent year of football in Jackson.  Looks to me like you will have many more successful years to come.  Despite the playoff miss, you are to be commended on a terrific job.

Interesting comments on Centre's difficult schedule ... the SCAC re-draw this year also gave Trinity a tough row to hoe.  TU lost only to DPU and Millsaps on the road ... the two teams who tied for the championship.  I can't honestly say that the Texas Tigers would have beaten either opponent in San Antonio, but next year  both those teams will have to come to Texas and I daresay will have a tougher time than in 2009.

What a great way for our TU Tigers to finish this year's home season ... with a big win in an important game with their reputation and history on the line.  Of course, I would say that, wouldn't I?  Kudos to Centre who put up a very tough fight, but the loss of SCAC rushing leader Pinque before halftime was too much for their offense to replace.  Hope his injury will heal quickly and he will return 100% next season ... he was very quick and VERY hard to bring down that day.

TU's Black Flag really got their back up in the second half and put the hurt on several Colonels.  Special kudos to Ben Robinson, Jarrod Burns, Evan Reville,  Garrett VanDyke and Gus Hoff ... some very big hits and lots of pressure on Centre's QB.  The D-line fought through a very big Centre line all afternoon and really gave the LB's and ends some room to work.

TU's much-criticized offense made up their minds to win that day ... especially a certain senior RB.  The young o-line really stepped up and played tough ... moving bodies and getting downfield to make their assignments and more.  The receivers did a great job catching what they could and putting a hat on somebody when needed.  Seniors Caleb Urban and Riley Curry really showed some leadership and kept everyone on track.  QB Rob Davidson showed good judgement all afternoon and senior QB Jeremy Staska played well when called upon.  C Jordan Hooten showed tremendous heart and dedication to his teammates by strapping on the pads and getting out there when Pat Rhatican went down.  Those guys don't show up in the stats, but they made it happen all afternoon.

Senior RB Chris Baer had the game I've been waiting five years to watch ... he broke a couple big ones and pounded out the yards like nobody's business.  With almost no rest, he tucked his chin in and never let up.  Truly, it reminded me of his high school days.

After the game, the Tigers were all smiles and really got to enjoy the win with family and friends ... it was a perfect day for the men from S.A.

Ah, so ... it comes down to the last game of the year (and of the seniors' careers) this Saturday up in Sherman.  Both TU and AC had some tough breaks this year and have alot of pride on the line for the season finale.  I'll be picking the Tigers, but the 'Roos will be a handful, that's for sure.  Here's hoping for a great game, no injuries on either side, and a beautiful cool fall afternoon.  If we get that, I'm fine with it no matter what the score.  A little bittersweet, but we're ready to finish up and move on ... some more than others, I'm sure.

Life is a series of endings and new beginnings ... can't wait to enjoy both!  Ah, and lest I forget ... Oh Lord, I thank you for the time in between.  What a blessing.

Nice post, TigerDad and thanks for the well wishes. I'm sure your thoughts hit home for a lot people on this board. Trinity has long been the gold standard in the SCAC and I can tell you that finally beating you guys this year was something that was celebrated not only by this year's team, but teams from years past. Good luck this weekend in Sherman...and beyond. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 09, 2009, 09:29:53 AM
2009 SCAC Composite Schedule updated after Week 10 results were in ... with one week to go (for some teams) here's the picture:


(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.trinitymiracle.com%2Fimages%2Fscacfb09-1.jpg&hash=6d69731e2868e6f068bdc67bab490223a0f93655) (http://www.trinitymiracle.com/images/scacfb09-2.jpg)
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(then right-click to save to your computer)

DePauw wins the SCAC (co-champs) at 7-1/5-1 and gets the SCAC Pool A automatic bid to the NCAA D3 playoffs by virtue of their win over Millsaps at home.  They host Wabash this weekend in the annual Monon Bell classic.  The next weekend, they will start their playoff run ... the NCAA will pick the draws next weekend.

Millsaps ties with DePauw for the SCAC co-championship at 6-3/5-1, but misses the playoffs due to their loss at DePauw.  They host BSC this weekend, but the game has no SCAC or playoff implications.

Centre is done for the season.  They finish the SCAC at 7-2/4-2 and in second place.

Trinity is at 6-3/3-2 ... they travel to Austin College this week.  A win gets them a tie for second place with Centre. A loss ties them with Austin for third.

Austin is 4-4/2-3.  A win over Trinity this week gets them their first winning season since 2000 and a tie for third with Trinity.  A loss gives them fourth.

Rhodes 2-7/0-5 and Sewanee 0-8/0-5 play for pride and to avoid last place.  The loser gets last place.

BSC 4-5/0-0 goes to Jackson to try to finish at .500 and give Millsaps their fourth loss of the season, but the Panthers are ineligible for any credit for SCAC wins this season.

Congratulations to all the players and coaches on a very competitive SCAC season this year.

Good luck to DePauw in the Monon Bell game and then on into the NCAA playoffs ... we wish you the greatest success as you represent the SCAC this year!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 09, 2009, 10:41:30 AM
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Don't know what your agenda is with the posts, bitterman, but whatever.  DePauw has the best quarterback in the conference because he knows how to get into good plays and out of bad plays at the line of scrimmage and to get the ball those great weapons you mention...at better than a 72% completion rate. 

Not bitter at all, thank you. I've just heard so much on Spud Dick being "the man" that I wonder if his real name is Chuck Norris. Or better yet, maybe that guy from the Dos Equis commercials who once had an awkward moment just to see what it felt like. ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 09, 2009, 11:55:52 AM
QuoteNot bitter at all, thank you. I've just heard so much on Spud Dick being "the man" that I wonder if his real name is Chuck Norris. Or better yet, maybe that guy from the Dos Equis commercials who once had an awkward moment just to see what it felt like.

OK, now that's funny. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2009, 02:33:04 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 09, 2009, 10:41:30 AM
Quote
Don't know what your agenda is with the posts, bitterman, but whatever.  DePauw has the best quarterback in the conference because he knows how to get into good plays and out of bad plays at the line of scrimmage and to get the ball those great weapons you mention...at better than a 72% completion rate. 

Not bitter at all, thank you. I've just heard so much on Spud Dick being "the man" that I wonder if his real name is Chuck Norris. Or better yet, maybe that guy from the Dos Equis commercials who once had an awkward moment just to see what it felt like. ;D

:D  +1! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 09, 2009, 02:35:49 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 09, 2009, 02:33:04 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 09, 2009, 10:41:30 AM
Quote
Don't know what your agenda is with the posts, bitterman, but whatever.  DePauw has the best quarterback in the conference because he knows how to get into good plays and out of bad plays at the line of scrimmage and to get the ball those great weapons you mention...at better than a 72% completion rate. 

Not bitter at all, thank you. I've just heard so much on Spud Dick being "the man" that I wonder if his real name is Chuck Norris. Or better yet, maybe that guy from the Dos Equis commercials who once had an awkward moment just to see what it felt like. ;D

:D  +1! 

You got a +1 from me too!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 09, 2009, 02:48:43 PM
You know, this conference schedule really frustrates me.  DePauw has their Top 5 opponents at home this year (Trinity, Millsaps, Wabash, Centre, Austin - in no particular order), which means they're on the road to all of those next year.  Centre has their 3 toughest opponents on the road this year (Trinity, Millsaps, DePauw), which means they'll be at home for all of those next year.  Trinity had 3 of their toughest 4 on the road (Centre excluded), which means they'll be at home next year. 

So it would seem to be that in odd numbered years, DePauw has the greatest advantage by far, but then in the even numbered years Trinity and Centre both get the majority of the home games and DePauw has a murderer's row of a schedule.  Is that really what we're after in a conference where the travel and home field advantage are more important than the average conference?  Shouldn't it be a little more balanced than that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 09, 2009, 03:29:25 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 09, 2009, 06:56:09 AM
First of all, let me offer my sincere congratulations to the players and coaching staff of the DePauw Tigers football team on their fine season and SCAC championship.  Considering the controversial and difficult beginning of the season (and pages of message board chatter in August), they've done a terrific job!  We wish you all the best this weekend against Wabash and on into the playoffs ... here's hoping you go deep into December and represent the SCAC well.

Secondly, congrats also to the Millsaps Majors ... another excellent year of football in Jackson.  Looks to me like you will have many more successful years to come.  Despite the playoff miss, you are to be commended on a terrific job....

...Ah, so ... it comes down to the last game of the year (and of the seniors' careers) this Saturday up in Sherman.  Both TU and AC had some tough breaks this year and have alot of pride on the line for the season finale.  I'll be picking the Tigers, but the 'Roos will be a handful, that's for sure.  Here's hoping for a great game, no injuries on either side, and a beautiful cool fall afternoon.  If we get that, I'm fine with it no matter what the score.  A little bittersweet, but we're ready to finish up and move on ... some more than others, I'm sure.

Life is a series of endings and new beginnings ... can't wait to enjoy both!  Ah, and lest I forget ... Oh Lord, I thank you for the time in between.  What a blessing.
;D

Not the first time TigerDad has eloquently posted what I was feeling but could not quite put into words. Though I deeply wanted the Kangaroos win on Saturday it was good to be in Greencastle and see DePauw enjoy their banner day and to get to congratulate numerous players and their families on Senior Day.

I am eager to do the same with the TU Tigers and the Kangaroos next Saturday as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Slicer_Coach on November 09, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 09, 2009, 12:05:09 AM

Either way, looking forward to listening to the guys from WGRE, they do a fantastic job.

Nothing against the WGRE crew, but you do know that the Bell game is broadcast on live TV every year, don't you?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 09, 2009, 09:23:22 PM
Quote from: Slicer_Coach on November 09, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 09, 2009, 12:05:09 AM

Either way, looking forward to listening to the guys from WGRE, they do a fantastic job.

Nothing against the WGRE crew, but you do know that the Bell game is broadcast on live TV every year, don't you?



Not in Jackson, MS it's not. Unless there's a channel I'm not aware of.... ESPN 8 maybe, "The Ocho?"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 09, 2009, 09:30:27 PM
QuoteNot in Jackson, MS it's not. Unless there's a channel I'm not aware of.... ESPN 8 maybe, "The Ocho?"

HDNet.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Slicer_Coach on November 09, 2009, 10:02:01 PM
Here's the link to find the broadcast near you!
http://www.depauw.edu/alumni/monon/telecastpartiesbystate2009.asp
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 09, 2009, 10:07:59 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 09, 2009, 02:48:43 PM
You know, this conference schedule really frustrates me.  DePauw has their Top 5 opponents at home this year (Trinity, Millsaps, Wabash, Centre, Austin - in no particular order), which means they're on the road to all of those next year.  Centre has their 3 toughest opponents on the road this year (Trinity, Millsaps, DePauw), which means they'll be at home for all of those next year.  Trinity had 3 of their toughest 4 on the road (Centre excluded), which means they'll be at home next year. 

So it would seem to be that in odd numbered years, DePauw has the greatest advantage by far, but then in the even numbered years Trinity and Centre both get the majority of the home games and DePauw has a murderer's row of a schedule.  Is that really what we're after in a conference where the travel and home field advantage are more important than the average conference?  Shouldn't it be a little more balanced than that?

I was thinking the same thing.  Weird scheduling for sure.  TU started the season with 4 road games.  Tough test.  Hopefully next year is TU's year again.  Good luck DeP.  A good run thru the playoffs will be good for the entire SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 09, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
TigerDad, Chris has put this team on his back these past two games.  The Roos should be warned or something.  He's playing like a guy that's playing his last 2-3 games forever and ever... oops, he is.  The young man wants to go out with a bang and he's really had two excellent games these past two weeks.  It helps that his o-line really started to gel finally.  But he's playing with like a man possessed.  I hope he has one more monumental game in him. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1837Tigers on November 09, 2009, 11:09:38 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 09, 2009, 09:23:22 PM
Quote from: Slicer_Coach on November 09, 2009, 08:53:45 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 09, 2009, 12:05:09 AM

Either way, looking forward to listening to the guys from WGRE, they do a fantastic job.

Nothing against the WGRE crew, but you do know that the Bell game is broadcast on live TV every year, don't you?



Not in Jackson, MS it's not. Unless there's a channel I'm not aware of.... ESPN 8 maybe, "The Ocho?"

HDNet is a national network.  If you have a sports bar in Jackson, you can see the game.  Just make sure they get HD channels (ESPN-HD, HDNet, etc.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 09, 2009, 11:16:29 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 09, 2009, 09:23:22 PM
Not in Jackson, MS it's not. Unless there's a channel I'm not aware of.... ESPN 8 maybe, "The Ocho?"

I would give any sum of money I could find to enjoy Cotton McKnight and Pepper Brooks broadcast the Monon Bell Classic.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 09, 2009, 11:18:10 PM
Prior to the season we all talked about how the schedule would play a big factor in the SCAC race.  Of the 4 teams most talked about as title contenders, the order of most home games against the other three was DePauw(3), Millsaps(2), Trinity(1), and Centre(0).  If you only look at the games between those 4 teams and use head-to-head as a tiebreaker, the order of finish was DePauw, Millsaps, Trinity and Centre.  Not surprising since the visiting team only had a 1-5 record in those 6 games.

As Austin improves and BSC gets approved, the road to the SCAC Championship will only get tougher.  A team will either need a favorable schedule, or they will have to be strong enough to overcome the disadvantages of playing on the road in the SCAC.  I'm not sure if the travel is the biggest disadvantage or the limited number of players allowed on the road, but the two combined makes it tough to win away from home.  But hey, the travel rules are the same for everyone and the schedule evens out over the course of time.  It will be interesting to see if this depth of parity is a one-year deal or the new norm for the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 10, 2009, 12:10:35 AM
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I would give any sum of money I could find to enjoy Cotton McKnight and Pepper Brooks broadcast the Monon Bell Classic.

Cotton McKnight: I'm being told that Average Joe's does not have enough players and will be forfeiting the championship match.
Pepper Brooks: It's a bold strategy, Cotton. Let's see if it pays off for 'em.

Cotton McKnight: We haven't seen Average Joe's yet. They haven't made it to the court. It could be a psychological ploy, or something worse.
Pepper Brooks: They're definitely not on the court, Cotton. Their absence is noticeable.

Classics! ;D

Thanks for the heads up on HDNet, 1837Tigers. But I think I'll watch SEC football instead. GO INDIANA TIGERS!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 10, 2009, 08:37:28 AM
One additional thing on the schedules.  Millsaps has their 2010 schedule posted here:

http://www.gomajors.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=82&

That's an incomplete schedule but my guess is that the SCAC games are about 100% definite.  Maybe it is errant thinking to still focus on Trinity and DePauw as the key games when others are rapidly improving, but I hate that those two games are so early and back-to-back on the Millsaps schedule.  That's always going to be a tough one-two combination and I really enjoyed the excitement when Millsaps was playing Trinity late with a lot on the line. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 10, 2009, 12:43:27 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on November 10, 2009, 08:37:28 AM
Maybe it is errant thinking to still focus on Trinity and DePauw as the key games when others are rapidly improving, but I hate that those two games are so early and back-to-back on the Millsaps schedule.  That's always going to be a tough one-two combination and I really enjoyed the excitement when Millsaps was playing Trinity late with a lot on the line. 

frank;

Sorry, but even though I will not be involved next season, I can't find much sympathy in my heart for the Majors on their 2010 schedule woes.  They will still have Austin College and DePauw at home, but will face Trinity and Centre on the road.  Without knowing the future, it's clear that Millsaps will have to earn at least half of their next SCAC (co-)championship on the road.  Only time will tell whether they can meet that challenge.  And, as we know from this year, even one loss can kill your playoff hopes.  Kind of brings new meaning to the phrase "one and done", doesn't it?!

On the other hand, this year, our Trinity Tigers began the 2009 campaign with four consecutive road games (two bus trips, two airline flights) ... ending in Jackson to face a formidable Majors squad hungry for a big win.  It was a brutal run that TU survived at 3-1.  After a couple relatively easy wins in SA, they went to DePauw and lost a tough one, then got pounded by a scholarship school at home.  The Tigers rebounded nicely vs. Centre and will meet a strong opponent at AC this weekend ... on their "Senior Day" in their house.

Next season (IF the flip-flop is complete), TU might have only four road games.  Millsaps, DePauw, Rhodes and Austin will have to come to SA for their chance to beat Trinity ... while the Tigers will "only" face Centre, BSC and Sewanee on the road.  A true 180-degree schedule would give a tremendous lift to next year's squad.  Only time will tell how that works out.

"What goes around, comes around!" may be the Trinity Tiger battle cry in 2010!

No mercy in our house, men, no mercy.   ;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 10, 2009, 12:58:24 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 09, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
TigerDad, Chris has put this team on his back these past two games.  The Roos should be warned or something.

Tex, I doubt that anyone needs to be "warned" about #10 at this stage of his career.  I daresay AC got their eyes full last year when he narrowly edged their RB Hasten for the conference rushing title.  No doubt, the 'Roos have seen plenty of film on him over the years.  Let's assume Trinity has a few other options cooked up in case the men from Sherman momentarily lose sight of the other ten Tigers on the field.

I should scold you for highlighting his success, but I can hardly keep myself from chiming in.   ;)

Since we're all 'one and done' here, let's all hope for a good one.  I think it will be.

If they were all released in the wild together, wouldn't Tigers EAT Kangaroos?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 10, 2009, 01:14:19 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 10, 2009, 12:58:24 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 09, 2009, 10:10:54 PM
TigerDad, Chris has put this team on his back these past two games.  The Roos should be warned or something.

Tex, I doubt that anyone needs to be "warned" about #10 at this stage of his career.  I daresay AC got their eyes full last year when he narrowly edged their RB Hasten for the conference rushing title.  No doubt, the 'Roos have seen plenty of film on him over the years.  Let's assume Trinity has a few other options cooked up in case the men from Sherman momentarily lose sight of the other ten Tigers on the field.

I should scold you for highlighting his success, but I can hardly keep myself from chiming in.   ;)

Since we're all 'one and done' here, let's all hope for a good one.  I think it will be.

If they were all released in the wild together, wouldn't Tigers EAT Kangaroos?


Only if they get past the boxing gloves!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2009, 05:09:49 PM
Trinity sweeps this week's SCAC POTW honors (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/potw):

Chris Baer - Offensive
Ben Robinson - Defensive
Garrett Biel - Special Teams

Congrats, guys ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on November 10, 2009, 07:40:41 PM
I have so much enjoyed being part the the community that is this message board, being on the campus of these wonderful schools and getting to know some of the people at Austin College and throughout the conference. But that only a fraction when compared to the enjoyment of watching the games and being around the fantastic young men on the teams of the SCAC.

One of the treats Mrs Rooski and I found in Indy this weekend was the NCAA offices and it's "Hall of Champions". One of the displays in "The Hall" included portions of a quote by President Theodore Roosevelt. When we got home I looked for it so I could share it with the seniors who will play their last football game this weekend  - or soon thereafter. Not all will have been crowned champions somewhere through the years - not all will have been hailed as stars, or seen their names in print or heard it on the PA systems - some will not have played in many games and others perhaps almost none. But all will have been a part of the team, and in their own way will have contributed. And matured . And become better men. To them and their fellow senior trainers and support staff members I offer those words of President Roosevelt which the NCAA saw as a fitting way to honor you.  -  Enjoy!

"It is not the critic who counts;
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles,
or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again,
because there is no effort without error and shortcoming;
but who does actually strive to do the deeds;
who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions;
who spends himself in a worthy cause;
who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,
and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly,
so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls
who neither know victory nor defeat."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 10, 2009, 07:56:22 PM
Quote from: rooski on November 10, 2009, 07:40:41 PM
I have so much enjoyed being part the the community that is this message board, being on the campus of these wonderful schools and getting to know some of the people at Austin College and throughout the conference. But that only a fraction when compared to the enjoyment of watching the games and being around the fantastic young men on the teams of the SCAC.

One of the treats Mrs Rooski and I found in Indy this weekend was the NCAA offices and it's "Hall of Champions". One of the displays in "The Hall" included portions of a quote by President Theodore Roosevelt. When we got home I looked for it so I could share it with the seniors who will play their last football game this weekend  - or soon thereafter. Not all will have been crowned champions somewhere through the years - not all will have been hailed as stars, or seen their names in print or heard it on the PA systems - some will not have played in many games and others perhaps almost none. But all will have been a part of the team, and in their own way will have contributed. And matured . And become better men. To them and their fellow senior trainers and support staff members I offer those words of President Roosevelt which the NCAA saw as a fitting way to honor you.  -  Enjoy!

"It is not the critic who counts;
not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles,
or where the doer of deeds could have done them better.
The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena,
whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood;
who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again,
because there is no effort without error and shortcoming;
but who does actually strive to do the deeds;
who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions;
who spends himself in a worthy cause;
who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement,
and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly,
so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls
who neither know victory nor defeat."

Great post rooski. That is my favorite of all TR quotes.  I am convinced D3 athletes are some of the finest citizens and contributors to society that we have. As you have eloquently professed, whether a player has won a game or even played in one, they have been in the arena. We all need examples of people who chase dreams so the rest of us can be inspired to not give up our own.  All D3 athletes, regardless of success level or playing time, deserve our respect and our gratitude.  They will be better for having pursued their dream and so will the rest of us.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on November 10, 2009, 08:36:16 PM
Yeah,  great quote...speaking of 2010, doesn't hendrix football come on line???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 10, 2009, 09:10:47 PM
Quote from: cush on November 10, 2009, 08:36:16 PM
Yeah,  great quote...speaking of 2010, doesn't hendrix football come on line???

That's a negative. More like 2012 IF that happens. Word through the grapevine is that it's not coming anytime soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 10, 2009, 11:31:55 PM
Quote from: bleedpurple on November 10, 2009, 07:56:22 PM
Great post rooski. That is my favorite of all TR quotes.

Ditto and "here, here", rooski! 

Or as TR might say, "Bully post, rooski!"
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See you on Saturday at the Big Apple ... look for me in a #10 jersey!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 11, 2009, 05:16:59 AM
For folks who haven't read it yet, catch Jason Bowen's "Around The South" column this week here:

DePauw's celebration not yet complete
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/DePauw%27s+celebration+not+yet+complete

Great story about the DPU Tigers and their season (to date) from the point of view of their "interim" head coach Robby Long and senior QB Spud Dick.  Again, congratulations to the Indiana Tigers.  Nice work, Jason.

DPU fans: If you were watching the Trinity game LIVE on the Internet, you can thank historymajor for it ... TU's webcast would never happen without him!  It's been my pleasure to assist his efforts since it began.  You da man, Boss!

I've got my DVR set to record HDNet (DirecTV Channel 79) on Saturday afternoon at 1:00pm Eastern Time.  I've never seen a Monon Bell, but will get to watch it on Sunday when we return from North Texas.  GO TIGERS!!

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on November 11, 2009, 09:43:53 AM
Tigerdad and anyone else who has a senior son playing his last game, my best to you guys and your sons.  My son is a junior.  So I am not at that point yet.  Last night I was thinking about his career nearing the end.  I don't know why.  4 years of Pop Warner, 4 yrs of high school, and then college.  I am sure you have the same memories.  I can only wish that you enjoy the hell out of Saturday and reflect fondly on your and your son's experiences.

Tigerdad, I guarantee you will enjoy the broadcast on Saturday of the Monon Bell game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Breckenridgebear on November 11, 2009, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 11, 2009, 05:16:59 AM
For folks who haven't read it yet, catch Jason Bowen's "Around The South" column this week here:
DePauw's celebration not yet complete
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/DePauw%27s+celebration+not+yet+complete
Great story about the DPU Tigers and their season (to date) from the point of view of their "interim" head coach Robby Long and senior QB Spud Dick.  Again, congratulations to the Indiana Tigers.  Nice work, Jason.
DPU fans: If you were watching the Trinity game LIVE on the Internet, you can thank historymajor for it ... TU's webcast would never happen without him!  It's been my pleasure to assist his efforts since it began.  You da man, Boss!
I've got my DVR set to record HDNet (DirecTV Channel 79) on Saturday afternoon at 1:00pm Eastern Time.  I've never seen a Monon Bell, but will get to watch it on Sunday when we return from North Texas.  GO TIGERS!!
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Enjoy the Monon Bell Game
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 11, 2009, 02:53:32 PM
Tigerdad,,,  thanks for the kudos and all your GRRRReat help over the years (and also making the sacfrice to send Chris to TU).  His great character, skills and accomplishments to TU have NOT gone unappreciated by all TU and SCAC fans!  Stop by the tailgate, and pressbox Saturday as we close the 2009 FB season with our last webcast!  (It'll be Jonny and Jordan's last as well!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 11, 2009, 06:16:47 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 11, 2009, 05:16:59 AM
For folks who haven't read it yet, catch Jason Bowen's "Around The South" column this week here:

DePauw's celebration not yet complete
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/DePauw%27s+celebration+not+yet+complete

Great story about the DPU Tigers and their season (to date) from the point of view of their "interim" head coach Robby Long and senior QB Spud Dick.  Again, congratulations to the Indiana Tigers.  Nice work, Jason.

DPU fans: If you were watching the Trinity game LIVE on the Internet, you can thank historymajor for it ... TU's webcast would never happen without him!  It's been my pleasure to assist his efforts since it began.  You da man, Boss!

I've got my DVR set to record HDNet (DirecTV Channel 79) on Saturday afternoon at 1:00pm Eastern Time.  I've never seen a Monon Bell, but will get to watch it on Sunday when we return from North Texas.  GO TIGERS!!

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Thanks TigerDad.

Had great time talking with Spud and Coach Long. They represent their team, school and conference with class.

Is HDNet rebroadcasting Monon any time next week?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Breckenridgebear on November 11, 2009, 07:29:21 PM
Quote from: Conrad on November 11, 2009, 06:16:47 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 11, 2009, 05:16:59 AM
For folks who haven't read it yet, catch Jason Bowen's "Around The South" column this week here:

DePauw's celebration not yet complete
http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2009/DePauw%27s+celebration+not+yet+complete

Great story about the DPU Tigers and their season (to date) from the point of view of their "interim" head coach Robby Long and senior QB Spud Dick.  Again, congratulations to the Indiana Tigers.  Nice work, Jason.

DPU fans: If you were watching the Trinity game LIVE on the Internet, you can thank historymajor for it ... TU's webcast would never happen without him!  It's been my pleasure to assist his efforts since it began.  You da man, Boss!

I've got my DVR set to record HDNet (DirecTV Channel 79) on Saturday afternoon at 1:00pm Eastern Time.  I've never seen a Monon Bell, but will get to watch it on Sunday when we return from North Texas.  GO TIGERS!!

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Thanks TigerDad.

Had great time talking with Spud and Coach Long. They represent their team, school and conference with class.

Is HDNet rebroadcasting Monon any time next week?

The HDNET website shows one broadcast.

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Monon Bell Classic - DePauw University vs. Wabash College
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 11, 2009, 09:15:49 PM

DePauw's Game Notes are posted for the Bell game.

IMHO, DPU Sports Information Director Bill Wagner puts together the best pre-game notes I've seen...anywhere. 

http://depauw.edu/ath/football/2009/notes/wabash.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2009, 09:57:55 AM
Interesting:  61-year old hopes to kick for Austin College in final game of season (http://www.kxii.com/home/headlines/69719727.html).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 12, 2009, 10:58:22 AM
Millsaps had a mid-40's player a few years back who not surprisingly was never good enough to contribute on the field even in the pre-championship era.  This player had a friend making a documentary about the experience and later I received a DVD of the documentary along with a DVD of some acting footage.  It made me wonder if the return to play football at Millsaps was just a way to get some free press, create a documentary, and add an unusual twist on the resume.  Naturally I have no way of knowing the man's deep down motivation--I was told that he left school after the last weekend of the football season so continuing education doesn't sound like the reason.

In a way, this 61-year old makes me think about my situation at Millsaps since I'll turn 58 next month.  I'm on campus for about 70-80 events each year so the opportunity is there for me to try and be "one of the kids".  It's a tempting thing to do because they are a great bunch of smart and interesting young adults and I throughly enjoy talking with them.  But here's the deal--they are hanging out with their teammates and friends and throwing a 58-year old in the mix is like inviting a member of the clergy to a bachelor's party.  It kills the atmosphere.  My basis policy is that I try not to intrude in their life and become like a 5th wheel in the group so I wait for them to start the conversations.

I wonder if a 61-year old in the locker room kills the atmosphere to some degree at Austin or all of the other places where we have old-timers living out their dream (there are several of these stories every year in every sport).  Maybe not since the players might look at it the same as having an older coach in the locker room.  Personally, I don't see the positives of these stories or the point in coming back to work out with a college football team when there are so many other sports challenges available to adults of all ages these days.  

And hey, before I get shot down by all the folks who thinks it's great that this man is "living his dreams", ask yourself how you would have felt about this situation back when you were in college.  I wouldn't have wanted a 61 year old hanging around when cutting up with my buddies.  Living a dream is great, but sometimes people live their dreams at the expense of others and that's not such a great thing.  That's just my 2 cents worth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: consultant on November 12, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
Interesting news out of New Orleans today......

Click here. (http://www.ncaa.org/wps/ncaa?key=/ncaa/ncaa/ncaa+news/ncaa+news+online/2009/division+i/new+orleans+looks+to+reclassify_11_12_09_ncaa_news&utm_source=delivra&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NCAA+News+Direct)

Anybody need a new conference member?  



Edited for formatting.  Thanks, Ralph
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2009, 12:56:56 PM
UNO fits the ASC profile better than the SCAC profile; a large state school (8600 undergrads) would disrupt the conference dynamics.   They also don't support many sports and will have to add just to get to the D3 minimum.

Centenary for the SCAC makes much more sense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on November 12, 2009, 01:11:18 PM
Quote from: consultant on November 12, 2009, 12:12:22 PM
Anybody need a new conference member? 

I've been talking about it with people on the Future of D-III and ASC boards.   Ron's right about UNO being a better fit with the schools in the ASC than the SCAC as their demographics are more like what you see at places like UT-Dallas or UT-Tyler.  UNO has strong club teams in football and soccer so it wouldn't be a big stretch for them to add those sports.   

It's interesting to speculate what might happen with Centenary and UNO moving down to D-III and Huntingdon and Lagrange looking for new conference homes.   One can wonder what might happen if those schools joined with some of the easternmost schools in the ASC and some of the schools in the SCAC who are getting hammered by travel cost to form a new conference.   I can see some interesting times ahead for both the ASC and SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on November 12, 2009, 02:59:46 PM
Frank,
In regards to your post about an "old timer" killing the mood in the lockerroom, I would say that it didn't change much (at least not at Millsaps while Harper was there).  If you shoot me your e-mail address I will send you some post practice videos of Harper and Jay Buck participating in locker room shenanigans (yeah, I said shenanigans).  Also, is there anyway that I could get a copy of Harper's DVD.  That film crew was all over the place my senior year, and tended to get in the way, but I never got the opportunity to see the full DVD.  Could you burn a copy?
Shoot me an e-mail and I will be sure to pass along the vidoes of Harper and Buck.
dtcutter@gmail.com
-Cutter

p.s.  Having Harper around was a pain in the butt though.  It didn't change the dynamics of the team, but he did get in the way, and served as more of a distraction.  I hated when he would come to the fraternity house and try to hang out.  His film crew would follow him around, and it proved to be extremely annoying.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 12, 2009, 07:29:36 PM
I'm 48 and this conversation twist has me thinking.  I"m sitting here recovering from knee surgery.  I had my leg half dead earlier this year.  I have a broken bone in my wrist that I've had since highschool.  If I don't sleep on a good mattress, my back hurts.  If I run more than a 440, my heart feels like it's going to burst out of my chest.

So, yeah, if someone my age or older is going to try and play college ball, they better be the kicker.  I can only imagine trying this young mans game at my age.  What I benefit from with all these years of experience is quickly overshadowed by reality.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 12, 2009, 08:37:03 PM
Just to follow up on my original post, I was on the USA Today website and saw a link to a video about the 61-year old kicker.  The story ended up mentioning that this man is planning to write a book on fitness and aging.  Why am I not surprised by that revelation?!?  Cutter, I'll see if I can find that DVD--it's 50-50 on whether I kept it.  It's not very impressive so you haven't missed much.

Link to video:  Click here. (http://www.usatoday.com/video/index.htm?bctid=49838763001#/61%2Dyear%2Dold%20playing%20college%20football%20for%20kicks/49838763001)

(Oh and by the way, while the guy might be a decent kicker for a 61-year-old, it looks like he has no business as a kicker on a college team.)



Edited for formatting.  Thanks for the link.  Ralph
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 12, 2009, 08:47:15 PM
Hey, I'm 61,,,  6-7 380+,,,,  and have joked about the fact that I have eligibility left,,,  but come-on....  I'd rather take out the guy from Ft Hood.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 13, 2009, 09:01:25 AM
Quote from: historymajor on November 12, 2009, 08:47:15 PM
Hey, I'm 61,,,  6-7 380+,,,,  and have joked about the fact that I have eligibility left,,,  but come-on....  I'd rather take out the guy from Ft Hood.....

You and that terrorist have so much in common Bob.  I think a date night would be great.  :) 

Thanks for all you do for Tiger Football my friend.  I've "forced" to watch three games this year over the net and have been very grateful for all you do. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 13, 2009, 10:43:13 AM
Frank / Tex / historymajor / FerricMajor 82;

Not surprisingly, I think we're all on the same page about Mr. Thompson.  No disrespect to him intended, but the story sounds like he's working on a book deal, not playing football.  When I watched the video of him toe-kicking a 20-yard FG, I thought, "Wow, that's not a real kicker, is it?"  I did not, on the other hand, think "Hey, I could do that!"  Nope.  Not in my world.

I know for sure that our players and coaches would be 'horrified' if I trotted out onto the field in pads (or God forbid, shorts and a tee shirt) for football practice ... and I'm only 51.  What the heck can you do with a guy like that on your team?  You can't take a shot at him in drills, you can't make fun of him, you don't want to stand next to him in the locker room or shower, you don't want to sit with him or be his "roomie" on the road trip.  Yikes. 

True, Brett Favre is (successfully) pushing the upper age limit in the NFL at 40, but those guys are getting PAID.  If he doesn't perform, he's gone.  At 61, nobody's really a tackle football player, are they?

In a walk-on, all-comers-welcome, D3 program like Austin College (or Trinity), what would you expect the coach to say when a TV reporter pushes a microphone in your face with camera rolling?  "He's too old ... we don't like him?"  He's gonna give the coach-speak answer, "Yeah, he's working hard ... one of the guys ... blah, blah."  Then you'd wish that Grandpa gets tired of it on his own and trots off the field without being asked to leave.

No disrespect, but the guy needs to run triathlons or compete in the Senior Olympics.  Oh, wait ... no book deal or TV interviews on that one.

I'll be in Sherman tomorrow hoping #91 Tom Thompson K 5-8 185 "GR" on the AC roster (http://www.austincollege.edu/Info.asp?7481) never takes the field.  Perhaps if our Tiger Black Flag defense does their job, the 'Roos won't get a chance to kick a FG or point-after.  I'll be there to watch about 30-40 guys who will be playing their final game in a college uniform tomorrow ... some I know pretty well.  It would be a shame if there was a circus of photographers and rubber-neckers on hand to watch and be disappointed if #91 doesn't play.  Or, worse yet, ONLY report on him if he does.

Sorry for my bad attitude, but to me, it's about the players, especially this week.

Add my two cents to frank's and the others who chimed in  ...  I think we're over a dime and counting up.
:-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 13, 2009, 03:14:35 PM
Quote from: Tex on November 13, 2009, 09:01:25 AM
You and that terrorist have so much in common.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft0.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AzOTUv77FQHHn7M%3Ahttp%3A%2F%2Fwww.whokilledbambi.co.uk%2Fpublic%2F2008%2F05%2Fachmed.png&hash=aa0dd831edb48977023208ad4019ca8fd4fb4e15)
Silence.  I kill you!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 13, 2009, 04:02:57 PM
To All:  I have been quiet on our Board thus far this week.  It has been a conscious decision out of respect for so many.

The 'many' include all of the athletes that are preparing to suit up for their last real competitive football game.  Those seniors, or even graduates with eligibility, who have shed their sweat since childhood, learning and playing a game they have grown to love.  Players who waited nervously by a bulletin board in a school locker room or clubhouse to see if their name was listed a member of the team or if they would have to wait one more season to pursue their passion.  Young men that struggled with the demands of sports, academics and personal lives; who learned to incorporate a girlfriend into the demands of time and who often pushed parents or step-parents away as they sought that elusive life balance.  Athletes who went to sleep with the burden of an important reception dropped or field goal pushed wide, of a fumble made or a tackle missed, of opportunities squandered or energies misspent.  The same athletes who greet the new morning with the knowledge that they have been given one more chance at gridiron redemption, one more chance to enter the arena and 'get in the game.'  To those athletes who are preparing for that final chance, I give my appreciation and my respect.

The 'many' also includes the parents, step-parents, guardians and mentors of the athletes.  What emotions you must have as you near the culmination of your young man's sports career.  The memories of an early morning or late evening drive to the practice field, the extra 'reps' at home, the breathless anticipation of watching a boy enter his first huddle and the all-encompassing pride as four, eight, ten or even fifteen years later they clap hands one final time and emerge from that huddle, seemingly suddenly, a man.  How much love and pride expressed by a nod, a handshake, a hug, a kiss or a tear-filled gaze cast across a cinder track as easily as a dining room table has you freely given? Miles of travel, hours in booster club activities, bank accounts full of fees, uniforms, cleats, camps, doctors' bills and awards banquets with nothing asked in return; no quid pro quo for victories or recognition, only enjoyment as its' own reward.  To these also, my respect for your years of faithful, selfless commitment.


'Many' includes the coaches.  Men and women who have devoted so much of their lives to forming our children, not just as athletes, but as people. Coaches who were workmen or lawyers during the day, but put the whistle around their neck and became a teacher in the afternoon.  What did they ask in return for deciding a little league roster, nurturing the stars while not discouraging those who were less gifted, comforting children through their first experience with loosing?  I dare suggest not much was asked in return other than effort and passion.  For those long hours, impactful moments, mounting responsibilities and helping make the parents work easier, I offer my respect.

Finally, to the 'many' fans who have offered their support to those players closing this one chapter of their young lives.  On their behalf, thank you for cheering when they entered the field, hobbled up from an injury or pranced away victorious.  Thank you for your silence when mistakes were made, games were lost and tears flowed.  Thank you for sharing winning seasons, losing streaks, cold rainy nights, games played under diminishing light, our sons' achievements, defeats, failures, coaching changes, injuries, passionate play and helping us realize there is always another day.

Except sometimes, there just isn't.


My thoughts and prayers will be with all of you throughout the Conference and Division during this final week and playoff period for safe game days and joy-filled, peaceful lives.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 13, 2009, 04:18:53 PM
Tacttm1 ... thank you for your thoughtful post.  A very eloquent tribute which will be received by many readers, especially tomorrow as most teams will finish up their season.

Allergies must be bad today ... probably something in the air this weekend.
:-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 14, 2009, 08:23:42 AM
Man up Baer. No allergies in Sheman today!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 14, 2009, 08:32:13 AM
7:20AM in Sherman. There's already a biker in the bar sucking down a beer and a cancer stick. Nice. I hope this hotel was a great rate for the team. What a place.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2009, 02:37:42 PM
DPU 7, Wabash 6 at the half.  DPU has moved the ball well but an INT and a blocked FG have hurt.  The latter, with less than a minute in the half, resulted in Wabash' only good drive (6 plays, 72 yds).  DPU blocked the XP.  Wabash also missed a short FG on their opening possession.

Trinity 7, AC 0 at the end of the first quarter.  Looks like Andy Braly is out, not sure why.  Roos opened with a 50+ yard Hasten run on the first play from scrimmage but fumbled a couple of plays later inside the TU five.    Robert Davidson has been steady at QB for Trinity w/6-7 passing in the opening stanza.  

Millsaps up 14-0 on BSC as the second period gets underway.

Rhodes 7, Sewanee 6 in the battle of cellar dwellers, second quarter.

Oops, Phillip Gonzales just scored from 47 yards out, and it looked like the old guy (Thompson) hit the PAT.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2009, 02:51:12 PM
Wabash either found something at halftime or were really inspired by their TD, as they come out of the locker room and drive straight down the field (8 plays, 72 yards) to take the lead on a 9-yard Yoder run.   Hudson's 2-point try is intercepted so the Little Giants take a 12-7 lead.  

Trinity retakes the lead thanks in part to a 49-yard pass from Davidson to Urban.   Chris Baer scores his second TD from two yards out and it's 14-7 Trinity.  The 'Roos get a return to near midfield, Towery completes his first pass for 31 and just like that AC is in striking distance again.  Two short runs and an incompletion lead to a 37-yard Reisig field goal, making the score 14-10 with 8:35 before the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2009, 03:00:19 PM
DPU answers right back with their own 11-play, 80 yard drive - their two point try also fails, it's 13-12 DPU midway through the third. 

I think it's now 14-7 Millsaps with 1:02 left in the half, they just held B-SC who will have to punt from inside their 20. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2009, 03:05:44 PM
Lordy, things are going fast and furious now ...

Wabash scores again, this time on a 51-yard pass from Hudson to Horn, to take the lead back.  The two point try fails so its 18-13 there, 4:09 left in the third.  A holding penalty on DPU means they will start their next drive at the six.

After Chris Baer rips off a 31-yard run on 1st and 20, Davidson finds Riley Curry from 5 yards out and Trinity leads 21-10 with 4:24 before the half. 

A roughing the punter penalty means it'll end up 14-7 at the half in Jackson.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2009, 03:10:27 PM
Wabash picks off another Spud offering inside the DPU 10, three plays later it's Hudson to Chamblee and the Little Giants up their lead to 25-13.  C'mon, Tigers!

Trinity holds Austin and scores again on the ensuing drive, Davidson finding Curry for his second TD from 12 yards out.  The PAT is no good; 27-10 Trinity with 1:25 to play in the half.  Davidson is 16-19 for 204 in the first half; Baer has 76 yards on 12 carries.  

Austin gets a good return to midfield but can't do anything with it, so they'll go to the locker room down 17.  

Heading to lunch, not that anyone is watching this today.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 14, 2009, 03:22:55 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2009, 03:10:27 PM
...

Heading to lunch, not that anyone is watching this today.   :D

Where are you going to eat?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2009, 04:53:35 PM
Quiznos.

Wabash really turned up the heat in the second half, it appears.  Probably sends DPU to a #8 seed and possibly to (shudder) Mt. Union.  Ouch.

Trinity saved the best for last, putting up 501 yards total offense in their 44-10 win at Austin.  Robert Davidson ended up 20-25-311 and 4 TDs, which may all be career bests.  Chris Baer closed out his career with 139 yards and 2 TDs on 23 carries plus five receptions for 85 yards and another score.  Caleb Urban added one TD and 143 yards on 7 receptions, in addition to 25 yards on five carries.  Riley Curry scored twice on his five receptions (44 yards).   Kyle Trella, who held a narrow lead in punting nationally, didn't hurt his cause with four punts for a 46.2 yard average; Garrett Biel, with a somewhat wider lead in field goals, hit his only attempt today.  I had a quick look at the guys competing with them and it appears they should both lead the nation in their respective categories at season's end.

The 'Roos were led by Ross Hasten's 92 yards in 13 carries, including a long of 57 yards.

Millsaps handled B-SC 38-20.

Fittingly, Sewanee and Rhodes went to OT - Rhodes wins, 19-16. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 14, 2009, 07:13:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2009, 04:53:35 PM
Wabash really turned up the heat in the second half, it appears.  Probably sends DPU to a #8 seed and possibly to (shudder) Mt. Union.  Ouch.

Or Wisconsin-Whitewater - not much of a consolation prize.  Welcome to the playoffs, DePauw!

Great atmosphere at Blackstock today - good weather, full house, Bell back in Crawfordsville - couldn't ask for more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on November 14, 2009, 08:13:11 PM
While this game has no bearing on anything, there was an exciting OT finish between Sewanee and Rhodes with Rhodes prevailing 19-16 on a 42 yard field goal. Sewanee rolled the dice on their subsequent OT possession by attempting to score a TD on a 4th and goal on the 1 yard. Rhodes stuffed the play to get the SCAC victory. Hats off to the Tigers whose defense was stout most of the game. While their offense was sporadic at best, they made plays in the last 2 minutes to score the tying touchdown to send it to OT. The winning field goal was a big one for the Lynx  given that earlier 20 yard try in the 4th quarter was blocked by Sewanee.
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 14, 2009, 08:33:27 PM
There must be much more to the 61-year old kicker story.  Either that or the Austin coaching staff just didn't think they could beat Trinity.  Here's a paragraph from the Austin writeup of the game:

"Trinity struck first when Robert Davidson completed a seven yard touchdown strike to Chris Baer with just 33 seconds to go in the first quarter, but Austin College answered quickly when Phillip Gonzales rushed 47 yards for the score just over a minute into the second quarter to tie things up after 61-year-old kicker Tom Thompson converted the extra point, making him the oldest player to ever play college football."

Austin has John Reisig who had taken every kick this season, converting 25 of 26 PATs and 7 of 10 FGs.  When you don't send out your #1 guy for a point that is needed to tie up the game, aren't you telling the team that an insignificant footnote in football history is more important than giving the team their best chance to beat a SCAC foe?

I'm not seeing something in this story so maybe one of you can point out the angle that I am missing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2009, 12:19:34 AM
I'm with you, Frank.  Seems that there could have been better opportunities during the season to let this relic kick than in a game that at the time was very, very close.   Maybe the AC players were the ones saying he should have the chance?

It has nothing to do with football, but two of the "Elite Eight" teams remaining in the NCAA volleyball playoffs are from the SCAC.  Top-seeded Colorado College won the West Regional tonight in five sets over LaVerne after another five set nailbiter last night; more surprisingly, Trinity, seeded fifth in the South, overcame ODAC champion Randolph-Macon in four sets, defending NCAA champion (and #2 ranked) Emory in straight sets, and second seed Southwestern, they of the 31-match winning streak, also in straight sets to book their ticket to Ohio.

OK, DPU folks - tough game today.  Let's have you back to start talking about your first round match soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 15, 2009, 02:35:54 AM
Rumor has it several AC players were caught with beer in their room(s) in DePaul.  Hence, #2 was in blue jeans and jersey. 

Great game for TU to send their seniors off on.  Photos being uploaded now.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 15, 2009, 03:49:51 AM
  No rumor Tex, several players were "caught" with beer in their rooms after the Depauw game. While this had been the practice of players and coaches alike, over the past couple of years , it is against team policy and the punishment is a one game suspension.
 
  I can not and will not defend the action of the boys/men who decided on their own too buy and consume beer on the last away game of the year , but I do question the reasoning behind the administration for deciding to enforce a rule in the next to last week of a season. A rule which had not been enforced all year, much less over the past several years.

  It seems to me if the "line that was drawn"(as it was put to one of the suspended players) had taken place prior to the season, or even after the first road game, it may have had more of an affect on the players and staff. Sure seems like a which hunt to take place so late in the season.

  All this being said, it could have very easily been avoided be simpily following the team rules. A sad end to a sad year for AC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2009, 04:41:05 AM
Quote from: RooBro on November 15, 2009, 03:49:51 AM
  No rumor Tex, several players were "caught" with beer in their rooms after the Depauw game. While this had been the practice of players and coaches alike, over the past couple of years , it is against team policy and the punishment is a one game suspension.
 
  I can not and will not defend the action of the boys/men who decided on their own too buy and consume beer on the last away game of the year , but I do question the reasoning behind the administration for deciding to enforce a rule in the next to last week of a season. A rule which had not been enforced all year, much less over the past several years.

  It seems to me if the "line that was drawn"(as it was put to one of the suspended players) had taken place prior to the season, or even after the first road game, it may have had more of an affect on the players and staff. Sure seems like a which hunt to take place so late in the season.

  All this being said, it could have very easily been avoided be simpily following the team rules. A sad end to a sad year for AC.

RooBro,
In my opinion, the parts of your post which I have bolded are all that needed to be said about the issue.  The rest of your post regards issues that need to be discussed in private with the people you are questioning  in public.  Issues such as this are always handled best internally and do no good whatsoever being aired on these boards. Despite your best efforts to say that these student athletes were responsible for their actions, this comes close to sounding like sour grapes.  In all my years as a coach and athletic director in Texas high schools, I never saw anything good come by making such issues open to public debate. It was a sad ending but I, in no way, see this as a sad year for AC football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 15, 2009, 10:34:34 AM

It sure was great to see the seniors for Trinity really reach their potential as a team on Saturday.  The last two weeks have been quality wins over quality opponents.  It's too bad that we won't be seeing many of those playmakers next year, but it looks like Davidson has come a long way at quarterback.  Although I've been tough on the team this year, I've still been quite proud of the program, because when 7-3 is your worst record in fifteen years, that says a lot about the big picture.  Congratulations to the group for finishing strong.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 15, 2009, 10:49:49 AM
Quote from: roocru on November 15, 2009, 04:41:05 AM
Quote from: RooBro on November 15, 2009, 03:49:51 AM
  No rumor Tex, several players were "caught" with beer in their rooms after the Depauw game. While this had been the practice of players and coaches alike, over the past couple of years , it is against team policy and the punishment is a one game suspension.
 
  I can not and will not defend the action of the boys/men who decided on their own too buy and consume beer on the last away game of the year , but I do question the reasoning behind the administration for deciding to enforce a rule in the next to last week of a season. A rule which had not been enforced all year, much less over the past several years.

  It seems to me if the "line that was drawn"(as it was put to one of the suspended players) had taken place prior to the season, or even after the first road game, it may have had more of an affect on the players and staff. Sure seems like a which hunt to take place so late in the season.

  All this being said, it could have very easily been avoided be simpily following the team rules. A sad end to a sad year for AC.

RooBro,
In my opinion, the parts of your post which I have bolded are all that needed to be said about the issue.  The rest of your post regards issues that need to be discussed in private with the people you are questioning  in public.  Issues such as this are always handled best internally and do no good whatsoever being aired on these boards. Despite your best efforts to say that these student athletes were responsible for their actions, this comes close to sounding like sour grapes.  In all my years as a coach and athletic director in Texas high schools, I never saw anything good come by making such issues open to public debate. It was a sad ending but I, in no way, see this as a sad year for AC football.

Roocru, I agree with you that this should have been handled internally.  Ultimately the young men are responsible for their actions.  AC had a very good year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooBro on November 15, 2009, 11:04:02 AM
Sorry guys, I said sad, but I guess the better word would have been disappointed. This team has gotten so much better and their record just does not show it. The players showed so much heart all year long and the way it ended does feel a little sour. I by no means ment to drag anyone through the dirt , just frustrated that any of this had to happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 15, 2009, 11:39:31 AM
Pat has some interesting playoff projections, including sending DePauw West to face Central in the first round.  This game, while not easy, would at least be winnable, as opposed to drawing one of the two 800-lb. gorillas in D3 - Mt. Union and Whitewater.  Indiana should have three playoff teams (DePauw, Wabash, Trine) - it would be great if all three can get through at least one playoff round.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 15, 2009, 03:19:48 PM
To the Roo fans, nice stadium, pretty campus.  My only complaint about yesterday would have to do with wishing AC would open up the building behind us so we could have used the bathroom there.  I managed to work my way in thru the trainers room that was left open, but most fans wouldn't have walked thru there.  I figued no one would mind.  Nice facility from what I saw as I wound my way to a head.

I've posted about 2000 photos.  Granted they are Tiger-centric, but there are some decent shots of the AC kids in some of them.  I've not had a chance to edit out the ones out of focus yet, but I'll do that later this week.  http://tigerpics.smugmug.com/2009-Season/Trinity-University-09

I'm sorry about the young men that couldn't play yesterday.  Rules are rules.  Last game of a senior year to miss because of a beer is a damn shame.  I guess if they were over 21, I'd have just scolded them or punished in some other way (clean up the stands after the game or something).  ****ty way to end your career.  But, you can bet your bottom dollar that the coach has the attention of the underclassmen.  He probably also has more of their respect.  Too often we see coaches make exceptions for their playmakers when something like this happens. 

With all that being said, I'm not sure having a different QB in there would have changed the outcome much.  The TU defense was in the backfield all day long.  The AC draw play was the only thing really that seemed to be able to slow the Tiger down some.

I was also happy that TU had a chance to play a lot of kids in the 2nd half.  The seniors that weren't starters got a lot of playing time and I"m happy for them and their families. 

Young Mr. Baer will be missed from the TU standpoint from here on.  I hope to see TigerDad at some games in the future.  He had to put up with a rather young O-line trying to find it's identity the first half of the season.  He took a pounding a few of those early games.  I was 10 feet from a collision he had with the Roo's DB number 1 on his jersey.  It was a bone crushing hit and both guys felt it hard.  I could see it in both their faces.  I was backing the heck up to keep from getting run over so I don't have it on film.  Now take that hit and multiply it by several hundred.  Young Mr. Baer has earned his retirement.  I wish him great success in his future endeavors. 

Rooski, thanks for taking the time to come down and find me on the sidelines.  I wish we'd have had more of a chance to talk.  I heard you say to the reporter that your'e son wasn't playing yesterday.  I hope he's okay. 

I had this game circled on my calendar when the season started.  I know it was going to be tough game.  Lots of hard hard hits in this game.  It was a good way for the Tigers to end the season.  The Roos played tough the entire game.

Lastly on the subject of Grandpa kicking.  I was thinking it a joke when we talked about it last week.  But, joke or not, I saw the congratulations his teammates gave him as he was mobbed coming off the field.  That tells me all I need to know.  Gramps came out and was warming up trying to kick some extra points at half time.  He was barely clearing the bar with no one in front of him.  His kick in the first quarter was probably his best ever. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2009, 03:35:14 PM
DePauw gets to travel to undefeated and #10 (last week) Thomas More, possibly the best result they could have hoped for.    TMC's best win was 14-7 against W&J, the last team to get a playoff bid this year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 15, 2009, 03:36:53 PM
DePauw going to Northern Kentucky to play Thomas More - should be a pretty competitive game, and not too far to travel.  If you can get past the Saints, your second round matchup appears winnable as well (winner of Johns Hopkins/Hampden-Sydney).  

Looks like we're going to Bloomington to play Illinois Wesleyan, with the winner going to Whitewater, WI.  Yikes.  Like I said earlier, welcome to the playoffs.  Good luck to all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 15, 2009, 04:12:28 PM
Looking forward to Saturday with Depauw coming to the KY.. My pick is whoever wins this 1st round will also win round 2. 

The TMC defense will be tested by Spud Dick, it sounds like.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 15, 2009, 04:28:29 PM
Could not be happier with the draw.  As I said earlier in the week, I thought for sure that if DePauw lost yesterday, they were going to be an 8.  Guess I'm a little surprised they made 1 loss W&J an 8 and 2 loss DPU a 7.

Also, any time you can get in a bracket with no UWW & no Mount, and a South bracket with no UMHB, I think you take it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on November 16, 2009, 11:08:52 AM
B Bear and Danny Boy, nice to get to meet you and the other guys on Friday night.  Thanks for the hopitality.  I came by later, around 6 I think, looking for you guys and no one was around.  Hope you had safe travels and see you next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 16, 2009, 12:29:04 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2009, 03:35:14 PM
DePauw gets to travel to undefeated and #10 (last week) Thomas More, possibly the best result they could have hoped for.    TMC's best win was 14-7 against W&J, the last team to get a playoff bid this year. 

Actually from a pure seeding standpoint, the TMC 42-17 win over MSJ (9-1), 7th seed in the tourney, on the road, was a better win given that they (MSJ) were ranked #3 in the North region going into that game.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 16, 2009, 12:45:26 PM
Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 16, 2009, 12:29:04 PM

Actually from a pure seeding standpoint, the TMC 42-17 win over MSJ (9-1), 7th seed in the tourney, on the road, was a better win given that they (MSJ) were ranked #3 in the North region going into that game.    

So noted - thanks for the correction.  I'm not much on HCAC teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 16, 2009, 05:42:09 PM
D3football.com Pick 'em is up.

http://www.d3football.com/pickem/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 16, 2009, 08:23:33 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on August 09, 2009, 06:07:53 PM
While the coaching change at DePauw adds an odd twist to the discussion, I don't see how a person could pick anyone except DePauw as the preseason favorite.  That's not to say that they will win or that I've lost faith in my Millsaps Majors, but look at all the things DePauw has going for them this year:

---41 returning lettermen including 17 starters from a team that went 8-2 in 2008.
---Millsaps and Trinity lost senior quarterbacks.  DePauw brings back a senior quarterback who led the SCAC last year in passing yards per game.
---DePauw lost 2 games last year:  at Millsaps and at Trinity.  Those games will both be home games this season.
---Millsaps will be traveling to Indiana the week after hosting Trinity.  It will be difficult for Millsaps to be at their physical and mental peak for that road game.
---DePauw has a bye the week before the Trinity game while the Tigers will be hosting the Tigers of Sewanee.
---And last but not least is motivation.  DePauw has been in the SCAC since 1998 and they have a piece of a tri-championship (2000) and a co-championship(2005), but no outright championship.  I suspect they had guys working just a little harder than usual in the offseason knowing they will never have a better situation for winning the title.

As mentioned above, that's the situation here in the preseason and it doesn't take into account outstanding recruits, injuries, players deciding not to return to a school, a bench warmer in 2008 becoming a star in 2009, and all the other unpredictable things that can and will happen in a football season.  Logically, I have to say that DePauw is the SCAC favorite at this time--in my heart I still think it will be Millsaps that comes out on top.  Speaking of which, I have a Millsaps post I'm going to add after this post.

The above post isn't the one I was trying to find, but I quoted it anyway because it seemed somewhat interesting and accurate.  What I was looking for was another post from August 9 which contained this more accurate prediction:

"Speaking of linebackers, maybe I shouldn't single out anyone in particular because I know Millsaps has a lot of good ones coming back, but keep and eye on Will Hawkins this year ( http://www.gomajors.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=381&path=football ).  Some of you know Will's name from baseball since he was the Offensive Player of the Year in the SCAC in 2009.  As a freshman Will seemed to be in on every tackle after a Millsaps kickoff.  As a sophomore Will had solid stats (5th on the team in tackles).  It just seems to me that he could be a Adam Hay type player next year with the speed to make tackles all over the field."

---------------

Will had 17 tackles in his last game to tie for first in the SCAC this season with 102 tackles.  That doesn't necessarily mean he is even the best defender on the Millsaps team because stats can be misleading, especially on a team with a lot of talented defenders, but it's not bad for a guy who was spending last spring earning the best offensive player award in SCAC baseball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2009, 12:23:12 PM
It does not appear that TMC does live video, but there will be live stats for the game here (http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/football/live/xlive.htm).  TMC also doesn't appear to have audio, but the good folks at WGRE (http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/listen.html) are planning to broadcast the game.

Edit:  updated incorrect WGRE link (from DPU football site) with correct one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 18, 2009, 09:47:26 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2009, 12:23:12 PM
It does not appear that TMC does live video, but there will be live stats for the game here (http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/football/live/xlive.htm).  TMC also doesn't appear to have audio, but the good folks at WGRE (http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/listen.html) are planning to broadcast the game.

Edit:  updated incorrect WGRE link (from DPU football site) with correct one.

That is correct.  With the program still under the legal drinking age, we are just happy to have 1) on campus facilities complete with tailgate zone 2) nice and relatively new turf field and 3) the start of a nice pressbox and seating (aluminum bleachers still but will be replaced/upgraded by next year).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 18, 2009, 04:56:45 PM
Well, besides the Indiana Tigers' playoff run ... hope it's long, men ... the SCAC season is pretty much done.  It's been a few days, so here's my take on the 2009 TU Tigers:

Congratulations on another fine season, Trinity!  You survived a brutal opening run of road trips, falling only to Millsaps on a day that the Majors were unstoppable.  You regrouped well and defended home turf against all (reasonable) opponents.  At DePauw, they simply had our number and it wasn't our day.  Then, y'all showed what you're made of, de-throning Centre and fending off up-and-coming Austin on their home turf to finish strong.

Alot of great moments come to mind, but in tribute to K-Mack and the guys at D3Football.com (God Bless, 'em!), here's my Top Ten Trinity Tiger Twenty-Oh-Nine Testaments:

1 ) RB Al Furlow alertly stripping the ball from the McMurry defender who was surely headed for the winning TD.  Bravo!

2 ) First-year kicker Garrett Biel hitting the game-winning FG at TLU in only his second game as a Trinity Tiger.  And, he finished the regular season #1 in NCAA Division III.  Well done!

3 ) First-year punter Kyle Trella consistently pinning opponents deep in their own territory, or helping the Tigers win the battle of field position.  And, he also finished the regular season #1 in NCAA Division III.  Way to go!

4 ) TU's all-new offensive line coming together as the season progressed.  Protecting the QB's and opening some big-time running room for the backs.  You guys consistently improved from week-to-week and it showed in the offensive numbers, especially the last two games.  Fine job!

5 ) OL Josh Hooten who patiently moved from G to C this season and did a helluva job.  And, against Centre, he marched back to the locker room and put on his pads when his team needed him, despite a mild concussion the week before.  TU "only" put up 260 yards rushing that day ... about half of them behind #50, I think.  Man-up, Hoot!

6 ) The Black Flag defense was aggressive and flocked to the ball all year.  Folks, they gave up more than 26 points only ONCE all year ... and that to a scholarship school.  HooAhh!

7 ) Despite a consistent revolving door at the QB position, the Tiger offense managed an average of 160 yards rushing and almost 200 yards receiving per game, and finished third or fourth in the SCAC in almost every offensive category.  Aw-Fence!

8 ) Tiger receivers not only caught most everything thrown their way, but provided GREAT downfield blocking for the QB, RB's and each other.  All of them really put some hats on their coverage and helped the whole team get the extra yardage all season.

9 ) Senior WR/KR Caleb Urban who passed his older and famouser brother, Jerheme, for the most return yardage in TU history.  It's not enough to be just fast, you gotta be a little crazy to run as fast as you can toward eleven guys who'd like to take your helmet off without removing the chinstrap.  Fine job!

and finally,

10 ) A certain RB who shall, for the sake of modesty, go nameless but can be easily identified by his number and stats.  This guy has put up big numbers for eleven years (three at TU) and really wasn't sure he wanted to do it again this season.  Instead of complaining or dodging it, he helped encourage the young QB's and linemen as they developed and reaped the benefit of their learning curve later in the season.  Some guys lead with their mouths, but this one leads with his helmet and shoulder pads.  The last two weeks, he really took the ball across the goal line in every way possible.  It was fun to watch.  For his career, he finishes in the top ten in pretty much every Trinity offensive category possible.  Very proud, I am.


Lest I forget to mention, it was great to meet Rooski up in Sherman last weekend.  Very sorry for him that things worked out like they did, but he showed real class to come over to the visitors' side and meet us to chat for a while.  We do all have alot in common, we SCAC and D3 fans.  It was no surprise, but a pleasure to confirm that in person.  I salute you all!

So ... I'm officially retired as a D3-Dad.  Right now, we're just tired and need a rest.  Next August and September, I will be missing the game, I'm sure.  But then, we'll going to football games as an option.  Who knows, I might even get to see some teams I haven't yet seen in some stadiums I've always wanted to visit ...

Good luck to DPU this week and congrats to all the SCAC teams on another great year, especially those Tigers in Maroon, Silver & White.

(https://www.d3boards.com/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.baercom.com%2Fimages%2Fsmiley-thumbup2-ani.gif&hash=26b40b4615511e6d78e2866df7d709053afb27a1)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on November 18, 2009, 06:41:42 PM
Nice post TigerDad.  My best to you and your son........Hopefully we can represent the conference well this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 18, 2009, 08:54:11 PM
TigerDad, your son will be missed on the field and you will be missed on the board.  It has been a pleasure to share the board with you over the years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 18, 2009, 09:19:44 PM
TigerDad---Great post...best wishes to you and your son in the years ahead.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 18, 2009, 09:56:15 PM
+k TigerDad.  My son graduated from UMHB in 2004 and I still hang around on these boards.  You should do the same!!   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 19, 2009, 01:29:13 AM
I bet he's not gone from the board.  These places are addicting. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2009, 11:09:15 AM
Quote from: Tex on November 19, 2009, 01:29:13 AM
I bet he's not gone from the board.  These places are addicting. 

Hopefully he's still around, because his son is one of two SCAC players (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/d3football_tow_week_11) named to the D3football.com Team of the Week (http://d3football.com/tow/09/week11.htm).   Congrats to Chris Baer and to Millsaps' Will Hawkins!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 19, 2009, 03:13:52 PM
Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 18, 2009, 09:47:26 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2009, 12:23:12 PM
It does not appear that TMC does live video, but there will be live stats for the game here (http://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/football/live/xlive.htm).  TMC also doesn't appear to have audio, but the good folks at WGRE (http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/listen.html) are planning to broadcast the game.

Edit:  updated incorrect WGRE link (from DPU football site) with correct one.

That is correct.  With the program still under the legal drinking age, we are just happy to have 1) on campus facilities complete with tailgate zone 2) nice and relatively new turf field and 3) the start of a nice pressbox and seating (aluminum bleachers still but will be replaced/upgraded by next year).

I stand corrected:
Aside from the aforementioned DePauw Radio and internet, Local broadcast on Insight Cable Channel 21 as well as live game stats httP://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/football/live/xlive.htm

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 19, 2009, 03:23:47 PM
Quote from: BlueRebel94 on November 19, 2009, 03:13:52 PM


Aside from the aforementioned DePauw Radio and internet, Local broadcast on Insight Cable Channel 21 as well as live game stats httP://www.thomasmore.edu/athletics/football/live/xlive.htm



Great.  Can't wait to see Don Weber on this broadcast.... at least his skinny ties have come back into style.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 19, 2009, 11:39:58 PM
Great jon to Baer and Hawkins on their TOTW selection! Nice to leave a mark at the last game of the year!!!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 19, 2009, 11:52:36 PM
Quote

Great.  Can't wait to see Don Weber on this broadcast.... at least his skinny ties have come back into style.

I hope they went through the NCAA criteria of requesting to do audio and put it on Insight Cable 21. They'll have to do it each playoff game and pay a fee. Sometimes schools aren't aware of that process.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on November 20, 2009, 05:39:38 AM
Link for photos Sewanee v. Rhodes

http://colliervillephoto.com/sewanee-vs-rhodes.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 20, 2009, 09:11:26 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on November 19, 2009, 11:52:36 PM
Quote

Great.  Can't wait to see Don Weber on this broadcast.... at least his skinny ties have come back into style.

I hope they went through the NCAA criteria of requesting to do audio and put it on Insight Cable 21. They'll have to do it each playoff game and pay a fee. Sometimes schools aren't aware of that process.

I'm sure they did... despite what TMC's capsule says, this isn't their first home playoff game. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on November 20, 2009, 05:05:29 PM
Just wanted to stop in and wish this fine Depauw Tiger team the best in tomorrow's game in Kentucky.

You have a tremendous offense and a QB that should be on the All-American short list.......

Once again..... Hope the Tigers play like they are capable of and come away with a victory.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gobash83 on November 20, 2009, 05:45:08 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on November 20, 2009, 05:05:29 PM
Just wanted to stop in and wish this fine Depauw Tiger team the best in tomorrow's game in Kentucky.

You have a tremendous offense and a QB that should be on the All-American short list.......

Once again..... Hope the Tigers play like they are capable of and come away with a victory.

I join in those sentiments.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Schwami on November 20, 2009, 05:52:26 PM
Good luck to the DPU Tigers as they represent the SCAC in the playoffs.  Should be a great game.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2009, 09:20:18 PM
Represent, DPU - and good luck tomorrow.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 21, 2009, 11:34:10 AM
Have been listening to the pregame on the DPU radio station and one of the announcers just gave his answer to the question I wanted to ask:

For DePauw players and fans, is winning the Monon Bell game more important than winning the SCAC Championship and/or winning this first round game in the NCAA Playoffs?  The announcer said the Monon Bell game was a bigger game than today's game.

Naturally the SCAC Championship, the NCAA Playoffs, and the Monon Game are all big, but which would be the most important to win if you could only win one? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2009, 02:29:59 PM
DPU got way down early (28-10 at half) but have come back against TMC, converting a fourth down in their latest drive and a two point conversion to trail 35-32 early in the fourth.  According to the live stats they got four chances on the 2pt try, with two holds and a pass interference call against TMC.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2009, 02:42:53 PM
DPU recovers a TMC fumble inside their ten, but a face mask call gave the ball back to TMC and they score a couple of plays later.    42-32 TMC with a little over six minutes to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2009, 02:54:02 PM
Smart, efficient drive by DPU to close within three again, 42-39, 3:21 to play.  They try the semi-pooch onside kick which TMC recovers at midfield.  Tigers have two timeouts remaining and must stop TMC, something they haven't had a lot of luck doing today; turnovers are what got them back in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2009, 03:01:44 PM
DPU defense holds.  After a penalty on the return the Tigers are 93 yards away with 2:08 to play, needing a FG to send it to OT or a TD to win it. 

TMC forces a fumble and returns it for a TD.  49-39 Thomas More.  Dang it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2009, 03:03:32 PM
Nevertheless, this has been a good showing by the Asbury-Indiana Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2009, 03:08:33 PM
DPU drives quickly but TMC gets another INT at their five with 0:38 left to seal the win.

A good showing (and comeback attempt) for a first-ever playoff appearance on the road against an undefeated opponents, especially after such a disheartening Bell loss.  Congratulations, Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 21, 2009, 03:10:57 PM
Doggone it.  They played so well in that second half, too.  Think the nerves got them early, but they really played well in that second half.  Good old fashioned shoot-out football game.  What a blast today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gobash83 on November 21, 2009, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2009, 03:03:32 PM
Nevertheless, this has been a good showing by the Asbury-Indiana Tigers.

I agree.  Great effort in the game, especially in the second half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 21, 2009, 04:00:12 PM
Listening to the fourth quarter from Texas ... had my fingers crossed when DePauw was down only four points and driving downfield ... just not quite enough SCAC mojo today, Tigers.

Congratulations on a fine season and especially to the seniors on making the playoffs for the first time.  Well done and best wishes from Texas!

And, Happy Thanksgiving, y'all ... lots to be thankful for this year!
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 21, 2009, 05:43:12 PM
Hell of a 2nd half for Depauw and Spud Dick.. Those guys didn't quit on offense.. He was definitely as good as advertised.  I walked down to the visitors after the game to talk with them after todays game.  Tigers have my respect and I know they have the respect of the TMC staff and players..

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1837Tigers on November 22, 2009, 01:31:25 AM
Very, very proud of the Tigers today and of Spud Dick, who is about as good as it gets among DIII quarterbacks I've seen over 30 yrs.  They really fought hard and were a bounce or two away from defeating an extremely strong and fast undefeated team at home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 22, 2009, 04:12:48 PM
Congratulations, TMC and good luck next week against Johns Hopkins. You've got a solid team with some very good players...lots of hard hittng out there yesterday. That second half was fun to watch...kids out there making plays. Great crowd and super atmosphere.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on November 23, 2009, 02:59:39 AM
Too little too late!? 

The scac really needed a win yesterday. Disappointing overall.  No moral victories in the playoffs. Damn. I was hoping for at least round two, maybe round three.

Well, there's always next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 23, 2009, 08:19:45 AM
Quote from: Tex on November 23, 2009, 02:59:39 AM
Too little too late!? 

The scac really needed a win yesterday. Disappointing overall.  No moral victories in the playoffs. Damn. I was hoping for at least round two, maybe round three.

Well, there's always next year.
Next year? How likely are we to get three teams sent to different parts of the bracket to break up the "Texas sub-bracket"?    :-\

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 23, 2009, 09:28:42 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2009, 02:29:59 PM
DPU got way down early (28-10 at half) but have come back against TMC, converting a fourth down in their latest drive and a two point conversion to trail 35-32 early in the fourth.  According to the live stats they got four chances on the 2pt try, with two holds and a pass interference call against TMC.   


FYI --- this was a hysterical sequence... ALL three flags were thrown by the same guy...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BlueRebel94 on November 23, 2009, 09:34:46 AM
Heck of a game.  Tigers showed no quit and took some pretty spectacular defensive plays to hang on.  Small DePauw crowd but certainly vocal in the second half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 24, 2009, 10:58:12 AM

Great move by DePauw...Robby Long officially named head coach.

http://depauw.edu/news/?id=24442
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2009, 11:24:25 AM
Had forgotten that Robby Long wasn't the full time head coach, and definitely agree that DePauw made a good call on this one.

Also, I'm under the impression that the votes for the SCAC Post Season honors have been cast and tallied.  Maybe we will get something official today or tomorrow from the SCAC home office.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2009, 02:19:28 PM
SCAC Post Season Awards:

SUWANEE, Ga. - DePauw University and Millsaps College each went 5-1 in league play to share the 2009 Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference (SCAC) football crown. For that success on the gridiron, both were awarded with two major awards each with today's announcement of the 2009 All-SCAC Football team.

In exclusive voting by the head coaches of the conference, Alex Koors of DePauw was selected as the league's Offensive Player-of-the-Year while Will Hawkins of Millsaps was voted the league's Defensive Player-of-the-Year.

Hawkins teammate, Michael Galatas, was selected as Special Teams Player-of-the-Year for the second consecutive year while DePauw's Robby Long was voted the league's Coach-of-the-Year.

In the same balloting, Kyle Trella of Trinity University was named the SCAC Newcomer-of-the-Year.

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Full pdf release here:  http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/all-SCAC/2009allscacfootball.pdf?dec=
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 24, 2009, 02:24:34 PM
Congratulations to Offensive POTY Alex Koors, Coach of the Year Robby Long and a strong contingent of DePauw All SCAC selections, including 8 first teamers!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 24, 2009, 04:08:32 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 24, 2009, 02:24:34 PM
Congratulations to Offensive POTY Alex Koors, Coach of the Year Robby Long and a strong contingent of DePauw All SCAC selections, including 8 first teamers!



How about congratulating all the players selected All-SCAC?? ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 24, 2009, 04:10:48 PM
Congratulations to all the players selected 2009 All-SCAC!

... there, that's better   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 24, 2009, 06:14:24 PM
I'll add my congrats to all the players, coaches and support staffs for a great, competitive season!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 24, 2009, 06:24:10 PM

Senior quarterback Chris Graves of Millsaps College has been named one of 10 finalists by the Mississippi Sports Hall of Fame for the 2009 Cellular South Conerly Trophy, given annually to the state's top player at a four-year institution.


Chris Graves' performance this year has been one of quiet accomplishment.  For a first year starter to set passing records is truly impressive.  I hope he gets the nod on Monday!!

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/graves_conerly_trophy_finalist
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 24, 2009, 10:15:25 PM
I don't have a problem with a fan focusing on the award winners from their school.  AND with that in mind, let me congratulate the following Millsaps Players:

---Will Hawkins wins the SCAC Defensive POTY award, his second top award of 2009 as he also won the SCAC Offensive POTY in baseball last spring.  First male to win dual sports awards in SCAC history (aside from the cross country and track combo).  Liz Bondi of DePauw won two POTY awards in Basketball and three in tennis.

---Michael Galatas wins his second straight SCAC Special Teams POTY.  My understanding it that Michael will add a second sport to his resume when the Track and Field program starts up at Millsaps this spring.

1st Team SCAC Players from Millsaps: 
--John Shivers (Sr) OL
-- Micahel Galatas(Jr) WR
-- Shane Bowser(So) RB
-- David Dale (Sr) DE
-- Mason Burell (Sr) DE
-- Will Hawkins (Jr) LB
-- Kevin Peters (Jr) DB

2nd Team SCAC Players from Millsaps: 
-- Oliver Galicki (So) OL
--John Milazzo (Sr) WR
-- Jason O'Rear (Fy) WR
-- Chris Graves (Sr) QB
-- Taylor Russolino (Jr) PK
-- Miles Sager (Sr) LB
-- Colby Langston (Sr) LB
-- William Lawrimore (Sr) P

Honorable Mention Players from Millsaps:
-- Sam Herman (Sr) LB
-- Tye Menist (Sr) WR
-- Kenny Metzger (Sr) RB
-- Chris Skinner (Jr) RB
-- Adam Williams (Jr) OL

Congratulations to all these Millsaps players and to all of the other fine players from across the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on November 25, 2009, 01:36:04 PM
Congratulations Spud Dick and all the 2009 Gagliardi Trophy Finalists!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 25, 2009, 03:18:39 PM
Congratulations to Spud on being a Gagliardi finalist - that is an outstanding honor.  I hope he wins it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2009, 08:37:17 AM
A very happy Thanksgiving to all!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 26, 2009, 11:09:18 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to all.

Enjoy this day of family, food...and football!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 28, 2009, 01:52:55 PM
Fluff piece in the Indianapolis Star (http://www.indystar.com/article/20091128/SPORTS06/911280373/1004/SPORTS/DePauw-QB-Dick-is-Gagliardi-finalist) this morning about Spud being a Gagliardi finalist.

Not much actual material there, and he didn't do enough research to get Pynenberg as a finalist in '07, but hey, at least it's recognition.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on November 29, 2009, 11:30:48 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 28, 2009, 01:52:55 PM
Fluff piece in the Indianapolis Star (http://www.indystar.com/article/20091128/SPORTS06/911280373/1004/SPORTS/DePauw-QB-Dick-is-Gagliardi-finalist) this morning about Spud being a Gagliardi finalist.

Not much actual material there, and he didn't do enough research to get Pynenberg as a finalist in '07, but hey, at least it's recognition.

This is definitely a "down" year for the Gagliardi. There have been much better finalists in year's past, but it's good to see MS College's Adam Shaffer and DePauw's Spud Dick in the race. I think it really is up for grabs this year and either one of those two would be a fine candidate. I just wish Juan Joseph was up against these finalists last year....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 01, 2009, 05:33:40 PM
Just wanted to check in and thank everyone for so much great information, emotion, statistics, pictures and news over this past season.

To those 'graduating,' please chime in next year when you can!!

May God bless you and your families during this Christmas Season and always.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 02, 2009, 11:08:22 AM
QuoteJust wanted to check in and thank everyone for so much great information, emotion, statistics, pictures and news over this past season.

To those 'graduating,' please chime in next year when you can!!

May God bless you and your families during this Christmas Season and always.

Well said...and ditto.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1837Tigers on December 07, 2009, 08:26:42 PM
Monon Bell DVD is Now Shipping:
http://www.depauw.edu/news/?id=24513
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 10, 2009, 09:15:43 PM

MC Coaching change in the works.........and so the world continues to turn

:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 10, 2009, 09:38:34 PM

Coach DuBose to Memphis as DC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 10, 2009, 09:52:11 PM
If so, I wish him well. He made Millsaps better and the league better as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 10, 2009, 10:18:29 PM
10-4
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 11, 2009, 07:04:26 AM
If there are any coaching changes at Millsaps, then I wish them all luck in their new positions and thank them for the time and effort they gave to Millsaps.

None of us here will ever know all of the factors that go into someone deciding to switch jobs.  For a coach like Mike DuBose who has an SEC Coach of the Year honor on his resume, I could certainly see the appeal of getting back into the D1 process and seeing what happens from there.  It would certainly be a far more visible profile, something that can be both good and bad.

Millsaps, Trinity, DePauw, etc, will never be able to attact the kind of players and media attention that even a lesser D1 team will garner.  That's just a fact.  What the D3 schools will offer is a chance to mentor really great kids (and assistant coaches), teaching them football but more importantly, equiping them with tools that will help them be successful in the 50+ years that come after football.  Sure, that can be done on the D1 level, but not to the same degree.  

Big college coaching vs small college coaching--both have their pros and cons.  Coach DuBose has the option to choose between the two and while I hope he stays at Millsaps for another 10-20 years, I wish him well if he decides to step back out on the big stage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 11, 2009, 09:17:02 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 10, 2009, 09:38:34 PM

Coach DuBose to Memphis as DC?

In the Memphis Commercial Appeal this morning that Dubose is the new D Line coach @ University of Memphis.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 11, 2009, 09:55:15 AM
Quote from: pbrooks3 on December 11, 2009, 09:17:02 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 10, 2009, 09:38:34 PM

Coach DuBose to Memphis as DC?

In the Memphis Commercial Appeal this morning that Dubose is the new D Line coach @ University of Memphis.


Here's the link:

http://www.commercialappeal.com/news/2009/dec/11/tigers-hire-ex-tide-coach/

It's only natural for Coach DuBose to want to return to the big stage; it's surprising that it took this long for someone to make him an offer.  No doubt there were other opportunities that weren't as intriguing as this one along the way.  Kudos to DuBose for turning the Millsaps program around, and here's hoping his successor can continue in those footsteps.  Or maybe just a step or two behind.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 11, 2009, 03:03:11 PM
Millsaps has a story up about DuBose resigning.  Here's a link to the athletic website instead of directly to the story because the website has my favorite photo of Coach DuBose.  To me it represented DuBose as the leader of the program--it doesn't feel the same to see it connected with a story about him moving on:

http://www.gomajors.com/

HOWEVER, I know this is a great chance for him and Memphis make a great hire.  Thank you Coach DuBose and good luck at Memphis and beyond.

(I also hate that my 2,000th post is regarding such sad news for Millsaps.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 11, 2009, 03:49:57 PM
Congrats to the SCAC student athletes named this week to the 2009 D3football.com All-South Region team (http://www.d3football.com/all-region/2009_d3football_all-south_region.pdf):

First Team Offense
QB Spud Dick DePauw Sr. Indianapolis, Ind. Offensive POTY
WR Alex Koors DePauw Jr. Indianapolis, Ind.
K Garrett Biel Trinity (Texas) Fr. Clayton, Calif.

First Team Defense
LB Will Hawkins Millsaps Jr. Nettleton, Miss.
P Kyle Trella Trinity (Texas) Fr. Chandler, Ariz.

Second Team Offense
RET Michael Galatas Millsaps Jr. Lacombe, La.

Second Team Defense
S Kevin Peters Millsaps Jr. Metairie, La

Third Team Offense
RB Jonathan Pinque Centre So. Athens, Ala.
RB Shane Bowser Millsaps So. Pass Christian, Miss.
C Josh Hooten Trinity (Texas) Sr. Waco, Texas
G David Joeckel DePauw Sr. Arlington, Texas
T Ben Hume Centre So. Lexington, Ky.

(no third team defense selections)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 11, 2009, 04:23:01 PM
While I certainly wish Coach all the best at Memphis and yes, I understand all the various factors that can be discussed and debated regarding a switch in Schools, Divisions, etc.  this new is met with mixed emotions.  With nothing personal against Coach, it justs make me angry that we hear from coaches all the time about how they will stay as long as they have support from the fans, parents club, boosters, department, whatever and then they go ahead and bolt anyway.

True, this is the real world but right now I still think it stinks.

As for the most important part, the players, I am confident that the foundations of success and football knowledge laid down by Coach will provide a great base for the next season under a new coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 14, 2009, 04:42:56 PM
QuoteWhile I certainly wish Coach all the best at Memphis and yes, I understand all the various factors that can be discussed and debated regarding a switch in Schools, Divisions, etc.  this new is met with mixed emotions.  With nothing personal against Coach, it justs make me angry that we hear from coaches all the time about how they will stay as long as they have support from the fans, parents club, boosters, department, whatever and then they go ahead and bolt anyway.

True, this is the real world but right now I still think it stinks.

As for the most important part, the players, I am confident that the foundations of success and football knowledge laid down by Coach will provide a great base for the next season under a new coach.

True...but, as you suggest, this is not surprising. Especially for a former DI head coach to venture back to the "big stage". Coach DuBose has elevated the program in terms of quality and visibility...big opportunity now is to find a successor that keeps things going in the right direction. Do you think Millsaps stays inside for the hire or outside the program?



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on December 14, 2009, 04:46:07 PM
Based on what I have heard they are going to hire outside of the program, but we shouldn't expect a hire until February.  A few ACs are not happy and feel that it will destroy our recruting class to wait this long, and are making calls tonight to boosters. 
Former players are working on a few things to motivate the Athletics Department and the school to move more quickly as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2009, 08:34:31 PM
Quote from: FerricMajor82 on December 14, 2009, 04:46:07 PM
Based on what I have heard they are going to hire outside of the program, but we shouldn't expect a hire until February.  A few ACs are not happy and feel that it will destroy our recruting class to wait this long, and are making calls tonight to boosters. 
Former players are working on a few things to motivate the Athletics Department and the school to move more quickly as well.

Just a few questions...

So you make the hire by January 15th.  Who is not going to be available that is a Millsaps candidate between January 15th and February 15th?

You don't even know who has signed national signing letters until February.  Who is committing to Rhodes or Sewanee or Huntingdon or Mississippi College instead of Millsaps if they don't know who the coach is?  Is there a time limit to the financial package that Millsaps is offering that cannot be delayed to March 1st?

What is the trickle down factor on coaches who don't know about other jobs for which they have applied,  that may not know their status until early February, but would be a great Millsaps fit?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 14, 2009, 09:27:01 PM
Yeah, I agree with that theory, Ralph.  Take it from somebody who's seen a coaching change or two in his time, late hires aren't as bad as you think.

Some schools ask for commits earlier than others, but I don't necessarily think waiting until February causes 15 kids you're chasing to commit elsewhere.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 14, 2009, 10:49:48 PM
Every subject has pros and cons.  I was told that recently a group of about 25 Junior College players were on campus, some who will graduate this month and possibly enroll in a 4-year college in January.  Obviously, an uncertainty at the head coaching position is a factor with those guys.

Also, to whatever degree the assisant coaches can talk to recruits, it certainly would be helpful to know if the next coach believes in slinging the ball around or 3 yards and a cloud of dust. 

Also, for the assistent coaches, it would certainly be nice for them to know who the new coach will be and is he going to bring in an entirely new staff. 

All in all, IF THE RIGHT PERSON IS AVAILABLE, it seems like sooner is better than later in a lot of ways when it comes to naming a new head coach.  Still, it would be hard to find a later hire than Coach Long and he did okay and Coach DuBose was a very late hire when named Head Coach so later can work out okay if you have the right person.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2009, 11:18:30 PM
Or McMurry Coach Hal Mumme who was hired on April 15th.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on December 15, 2009, 12:08:49 AM
The longer you wait, the more recruits you lose. Plus, your asking assistant coaches to keep recruiting when they don't even know if they'll be back. Word is, two assistants were let go today and the rest are getting their resumes together.

We'll lose a lot of current players and incoming players because of DuBose's departure. But to wait til February is obsurd. I almost feel that Millsaps' athletic administration wants the football program to go back to crap. Seriously. I still haven't seen a story on an interim guy, so what are you selling to recruits?

The lack of a head coach for five more weeks shows the lack of support for football from Millsaps. Mark it down........the Majors will finish below .500 next year, and will fall back into the bottom of the pack.

As you can tell, I'm sick about it. DuBose built us from nothing into something and now I have a bad feeling the program's doomed to fall back into the 2-7 years. I really hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 15, 2009, 04:38:14 AM
Coach DuBose always talked about building a program at Millsaps.  If things so easily dissolve with his departure, then he built a personal following instead of a program.

Let's keep in mind that Memphis just recently hired their head football coach and so this move of DuBose going to Memphis was sudden and probably caught everyone by surprise, including DuBose.  In cases like this, sometimes acting too quickly is as bad or worse than reacting too slow.

For example, if you name Coach A as the official interim coach, then what message are you sending to Coaches B, C and D?  And if a guy is bumped up just to temporarily fill a void on the organizational chart, then do you really have anything concrete to sell to recruits?

Replacing someone like DuBose is going to be difficult.  However, there is someone out there who would be the perfect fit to come in and continue the program's high level of success and hopefully build on the substantial foundation laid over the last 4 years.  I don't mind if we take the time to find that person.  And when that person is found, it won't be surprising if he brings in a new group of assistant coaches.  That's part of life as a coach so keeping a resume up to date is a natural thing.  Let's keep in mind that 4 assistant coaches left last year even with DuBose coming back.  

Like everyone else, I'm highly interested in who Millsaps will bring in to keep the successes going.  Replacing a guy like DuBose isn't something that can be done in a day or two or maybe even a week or two.  This is a big decision and it's important to get it right.  I saw about 8-9 years ago what can happen when you get it wrong and we don't need to go through that again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 15, 2009, 09:04:58 AM

All of the above comments are true...but the DePauw analogy in this instance doesn't hold water. Yes, Coach Long was named interim coach extremely late...but as assistant head coach and defensive coordinator, there could not have been a more seemless transition with a coach who was already an intimate part of the team. He is also recruiting coordinator not just for the football team but the entire athletics department. Even Coach Walker was an assistant coach who had been recruiting for football not to mention baseball and was a DePauw lifer. Bringing someone new from the outside can be a very different ballgame. True, commits won't happen for some time...but as INSMajor suggests, the longer you wait, the more you lose relationship building time...not to mention the uncertainty it brings for recruits and current players and coaches as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 15, 2009, 01:46:47 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on December 15, 2009, 04:38:14 AM
Coach DuBose always talked about building a program at Millsaps.  If things so easily dissolve with his departure, then he built a personal following instead of a program.

He may not have been there long enough to build a program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 15, 2009, 01:59:31 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on December 15, 2009, 12:08:49 AM
The longer you wait, the more recruits you lose. Plus, your asking assistant coaches to keep recruiting when they don't even know if they'll be back. Word is, two assistants were let go today and the rest are getting their resumes together.

We'll lose a lot of current players and incoming players because of DuBose's departure. But to wait til February is obsurd. I almost feel that Millsaps' athletic administration wants the football program to go back to crap. Seriously. I still haven't seen a story on an interim guy, so what are you selling to recruits?

The lack of a head coach for five more weeks shows the lack of support for football from Millsaps. Mark it down........the Majors will finish below .500 next year, and will fall back into the bottom of the pack.

As you can tell, I'm sick about it. DuBose built us from nothing into something and now I have a bad feeling the program's doomed to fall back into the 2-7 years. I really hope I'm wrong.
Interesting thought there...  How about some specific names and places?

Where do you think these players will transfer?

Will they risk losing all those credits that do not transfer to their next senior college?

Are these transferring students  that much better than the guy they hope to beat out at the next college?

Or will they just give up intercollegiate athletics all together?

Where with the new recruits (high school seniors) go, if not to Millsaps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on December 15, 2009, 02:54:00 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 15, 2009, 09:04:58 AM

All of the above comments are true...but the DePauw analogy in this instance doesn't hold water. Yes, Coach Long was named interim coach extremely late...but as assistant head coach and defensive coordinator, there could not have been a more seemless transition with a coach who was already an intimate part of the team.

Yes it does.  Bill Lynch was hired on 12/23.  Tim Rogers was hired on 2/28.

EDIT:  The Rogers analogy is particularly relevant since he was still able to get (EDIT #2) LAST year's senior class, a pretty talented group including McNelis, Gasbarra, Akinbola, DeVilbiss, and the like.... to commit after Lynch went to IU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 15, 2009, 03:10:33 PM
Frank referenced the lateness of the Long hiring which was my point. Lynch getting hired before Christmas is no big deal...and February is not really awful either.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 15, 2009, 03:42:15 PM
A real program takes longer than 4 years, in my opinion.  Especially hwne th eassistant coaches have been churned over the past 12 months. That takes away some of the defensive strtagies that were Coaches hallmark.

If I was a considering MC as an incoming fresh or transfer, I'd have to think long and hard about my athletic vs. academic goals........at least right now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on December 15, 2009, 04:31:39 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on December 15, 2009, 03:42:15 PM
If I was a considering MC as an incoming fresh or transfer, I'd have to think long and hard about my athletic vs. academic goals........at least right now.

I understand the thought here, but let's be real about Millsaps.  The school has never been, nor will ever be a breeding ground for playing beyond the college level.  It provides students the chance to continue playing a sport they love, but they are students first.  I did choose Millsaps partly because it allowed me to have a chance playing football, but really more for the education along with it.  I can honestly say that the coach did not have a major impact on my decision to enroll.  Now, Coach Dubose is a slightly different story and likely did draw in players who would have not come otherwise, but regardless of their success on the field, they still had to make the grades, not easy in SCAC schools!  All this to say, I agree with Frank, let's be smart in our decision here and bring in the right guy and do our best to avoid any band-aids that do not last.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on December 15, 2009, 05:47:11 PM
Quote
He may not have been there long enough to build a program.

If I had to fight the Millsaps adminstration year in and year out, I'd be gone sooner than four years too as head coach. I assume DuBose wanted to stay longer, but just couldn't deal with the bs anymore.

He'll be very disappointed the way this all plays out, but now has bigger fish to fry at a place like Memphis who gets the same minimal support from its administration. For those of you who didn't see Tommy West go off on his school it's below.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLk06dQlyAE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLk06dQlyAE)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on December 17, 2009, 11:01:06 PM
In the South, DuBose's name carried weight and got the attention of recruits.  Hopefully no one denies that.  I have no idea what issues he faced in dealing with the administration, but I can only imagine.  I had some conversations with Todd Graham after he left Rice for  Tulsa.  Being a coach at an "academic-based" institution is difficult.  The powers that be oft look at football as a neanderthal event that doesn't deserve true administration support.  I probably didn't phrase that too well, but I can only imagine that magnified in D-3 versus D-1.  

I wish DuB well in Memphis.  It was only a matter of time before he headed back to the "big show".  I didn't think he'd be at MC this long.  The guy can obviously coach his ass off and motivate his players big time.  That's a great combination that any team (like Memphis) would love to have.  

I doubt very seriously any current players leave the program.  I also doubt any serious recruits are suddenly going to ignore MC.  A year from now, recruiting will likely be more difficult without a former head coach of Alabama opening recruiting doors. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on December 18, 2009, 09:26:47 PM
milsaps could always try to hire a former auburn coach now...maybe tommy tuberville would coach pro bono for a year or two.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pbrooks3 on December 19, 2009, 07:29:22 PM
Alonzo Stagg Bowl is over & Wisconsin-Whitewater has its 2nd D3 Football championship in the past 3 years, beating Mt Union 38-28.  Good game with 16" of snow on the ground in Salem.  This was the kind of slugfest you would expect from these 2 teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on December 20, 2009, 01:12:34 PM
Four from the SCAC named D3football.com All-Americans: http://d3football.com/tow/09/allamericans.htm (http://d3football.com/tow/09/allamericans.htm)

Congrats to First Teamers Alex Koors of DePauw and Will Hawkins of Millsaps, along with special teamers Garrett Biel and Kyle Trella of Trinity to the Third Team, respectively.

Should be a lot of shakeup next year in the league with DuBose leaving and a lot of teams losing key players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 20, 2009, 07:20:05 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on December 20, 2009, 01:12:34 PM
Four from the SCAC named D3football.com All-Americans: http://d3football.com/tow/09/allamericans.htm (http://d3football.com/tow/09/allamericans.htm)

Congrats to First Teamers Alex Koors of DePauw and Will Hawkins of Millsaps, along with special teamers Garrett Biel and Kyle Trella of Trinity to the Third Team, respectively.

Should be a lot of shakeup next year in the league with DuBose leaving and a lot of teams losing key players.

Actually this brings up a question.  The first-team all-AA punter only played five games this year due to injury and had a solid average (just over 40 yds per punt).  I did see that he dropped half his punts inside the 20 but it seems odd for a guy who only played half a season to get a first-team nod.    This is what the school's web site says about the young man:

*** was limited to just five games in 2009 before his season and career were cut short due to an injury. A two-time All-American and the 2007 Gilburg Award recipient, he was named to the All-SCIAC line-up for the fourth time in his career, this as a First Teamer. After finishing his 2008 campaign among the nation's leaders and looking to defend his title, *** fell short of the minimum punts required and was taken out of the running in the final week of the season.

If he had enough punts to qualify, he would have placed sixth in punting yardage, nearly four yards per punt behind the leader (who was named second-team AA).   I know stats don't tell the whole story, but the statistical difference combined with the half-year status makes this seem odd.   It seems like he was given credit for having great years in 2007 and 2008 rather than be recognized for his actual 2009 performance. 

Thoughts from those who know more than I do about this specific case?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 20, 2009, 09:30:32 PM
Ron:  Good observation.  I think it is called the "Halo Effect"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on December 21, 2009, 10:07:51 AM
Unfortunately, Ron it happens all too often I'm afraid and I'm glad you said something on here.

I've noticed a lot of that happening on D3football.com Team of the Week, All-South Region and All-American honors. It's all about past names dropped and not actually finding the best players out there.

For instance, OL John Shivers at Millsaps is NOT our best lineman, but he got recognition as a sophomore from the SCAC in 2008 and in turn from D3football.com on the All-Region Team. He was also named a Preseason All-American this year from three different organizations, including D3football.com, which is strictly on past efforts from one decent season. Easily Oliver Galicki or Adam Williams should've been on the All-Region Team, but that would require voters actually coming to a game or asking around at the schools which is impossible.

Glad to see a Millsaps player again this year, however, as it's well deserved from Will Hawkins' effort.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2009, 11:34:12 AM
It was five of nine games, and that's our minimum standard: five of nine or six of 10.

He still had a per-kick average of more than 40 yards per punt, even though he was clearly kicking on a short field the majority of the time, with half of his kicks landing inside the 20. There's no precise formula that makes that calculation as to what's more valuable, but we do definitely look at accuracy, so to speak, in that sense. Or, I guess, if there were a yardline-punted-from stat, a ratio that told us how many of the available yards the punter kicked for, that would be perfect.

He was third among our All-Region punters in yardage and far and away first in average landing inside the 20. Most were in a range between 34 and 37 percent.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2009, 11:36:12 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on December 21, 2009, 10:07:51 AM
For instance, OL John Shivers at Millsaps is NOT our best lineman, but he got recognition as a sophomore from the SCAC in 2008

If he's not your best lineman then why are the coaches in the SCAC putting him on the All-Conference team? Why is your not-best lineman getting nominated for our All-Region team?

If you want to call out something as happening "all too often" please give me something other than an offensive lineman to look at. Who's got the definitive offensive lineman stat that makes this decision easy, anyone?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 21, 2009, 12:53:22 PM
I think Adam Williams and Oliver Galicki are terrific players and Millsaps also started two very talented freshmen this year.  I'm just not sure about the rational of promoting players by saying their teammate is overrated.

By the way, there's a story on the Millsaps website saying that John David Caffey, the offensive coordinator, was named as the acting head coach on December 11.  There's not much to the story other than a profile on John David.  Here's the link:

http://www.gomajors.com/staff.aspx?staff=31&path=football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on December 21, 2009, 06:33:11 PM
Quote
If he's not your best lineman then why are the coaches in the SCAC putting him on the All-Conference team? Why is your not-best lineman getting nominated for our All-Region team?

If you want to call out something as happening "all too often" please give me something other than an offensive lineman to look at. Who's got the definitive offensive lineman stat that makes this decision easy, anyone?

It's called a Northern bias towards teams NOT in your neck of the woods.

Obviously I don't have a vote in the matter, but it is beside me why two other guys didn't get nominated on the OL. Also, I'm shocked RET/WR Michael Galatas, the two-time SCAC Special Teams Player of the Year, didn't make at least the All-American Third Team after 632 yds receiving and 9 TDs and 687 kick return yards (25.4 avg) and two TDs. Anyone in the SCAC will tell you he's one of the most dangerous returnmen in the country. Northern bias again maybe??

And on the punter situation, that's ridiculous a guy can play in five games and be named an All-American. Don't most conference offices not even post stats on a player unless he's played in AT LEAST 75 percent of his teams' games?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2009, 10:14:34 PM
Our standard has been previously set as six in a 10-game season (Menlo quarterback Zamir Amin) and five for a team limited by conference rule to nine games seemed like a reasonable extension of that.

We don't consider receiving yards or receiving touchdowns in the return man decisions. Everyone we named also had two return touchdowns, just like Galatas did, other than Chamblee, who was Division III's leader in punt return yardage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2009, 10:14:53 PM
Pat Coleman and the group at d3football do a tremendous job and thant includes in choosing the All American team. Do great players get left out? Of course. It's the nature of the beast. But I don't know of too many people who see more games or are exposed to more coaches, SIDs, etc. than Pat and the folks at D3. Their perspective is much more representative than the narrow interests of most of us on this board. I also hate to see the discussion denegrate to calling out players and wondering why Johnny didn't make the team and Bobby did. Seemed more like the discussions we used to hear after the high school all-state teams came out.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on December 21, 2009, 10:32:06 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2009, 10:14:53 PM
Pat Coleman and the group at d3football do a tremendous job and thant includes in choosing the All American team. Do great players get left out? Of course. It's the nature of the beast. But I don't know of too many people who see more games or are exposed to more coaches, SIDs, etc. than Pat and the folks at D3. Their perspective is much more representative than the narrow interests of most of us on this board. I also hate to see the discussion denegrate to calling out players and wondering why Johnny didn't make the team and Bobby did. Seemed more like the discussions we used to hear after the high school all-state teams came out.  ;)

This is a message board, right? Complaints and compliments are part of it. I'm not going to kiss everyone's butt all the time. If something bothers me, I'm going to rant about it, not just let it go. I've noticed everyone bites their tongue on here and never stirs up controversy. That's part of the game. And just because I don't agree, I get docked karma points from everyone which is pretty funny.

So, please just take my comments with a grain of salt as I know it's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 22, 2009, 08:33:23 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on December 21, 2009, 10:14:53 PM
Pat Coleman and the group at d3football do a tremendous job and thant includes in choosing the All American team. Do great players get left out? Of course. It's the nature of the beast. But I don't know of too many people who see more games or are exposed to more coaches, SIDs, etc. than Pat and the folks at D3. Their perspective is much more representative than the narrow interests of most of us on this board. I also hate to see the discussion denegrate to calling out players and wondering why Johnny didn't make the team and Bobby did. Seemed more like the discussions we used to hear after the high school all-state teams came out.  ;)

Very well said.  As a Millsaps fan who doesn't travel to away games, I see the Millsaps players about 5 times a year.  I see the players on other SCAC teams every other year.  As for other D3 teams, I see MS College once a year and sometimes a team like Louisiana College or Huntingdon.  It's a very narrow look at D3 football in general.

And while I don't get to see many of the other teams in other leagues, I do notice that many other teams and leagues do better than the SCAC when it comes to the NCAA Playoffs.  Therefore, they must be playing some high quality football with high quality players on their roster.  I'm always very pleased to see SCAC players make the Team of the Week or the All-Region team and this year two players made 1st team All-American--that's impressive.  At the same time, I'm never surprised when a quality SCAC performer doesn't make the list.  Being the best in the SCAC is a fantastic achievement but that doesn't always equate to being one of the top two or three in the nation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 22, 2009, 09:41:44 AM
One other thing to consider about D3football.com "All-everything" teams is that they are really teams.

You don't have 6 OL's, 7 WR's, 3RBs, and 2QB's on the first team and another 19 players on the second and third teams.

The rare thing about this year's team was Bryson Tucker from UMHB at "All-Purpose".  This season, he had 7 rushing TD's, 558 yds rushing, a TD reception, 43 tackles and fumble return and punt return for TD's.

Tucker frequently played both ways.  In his career at UMHB he scored TD's 6 ways: passing, rushing, reception for TD, fumble recovery, punt return and Kickoff Return.

http://www.cruathletics.com/sports/2009/7/30/FB_0730092416.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on December 23, 2009, 11:36:41 AM
Congrats to Alex Koors on his 1st Team All-American honor.  One that he definitely deserved.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 23, 2009, 11:42:35 AM
QuoteCongrats to Alex Koors on his 1st Team All-American honor.  One that he definitely deserved.   

Ditto...thanks, bashbrother.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Li'l Giant on December 23, 2009, 12:00:15 PM
Quote from: bashbrother on December 23, 2009, 11:36:41 AM
Congrats to Alex Koors on his 1st Team All-American honor.  One that he definitely deserved.   

Agreed. Koors is a helluva player. Congrats to him and DePauw. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on December 24, 2009, 10:34:33 AM

This is for INS_Major:

I agree completely with your claim that nobody wants to or welcomes controversy on this board, and I get so sick of all the pats on the back and politically correct nonsense.  I used to contribute a lot more before I figured that out.  I keep reading for the sake of the news, but I sometimes feel compelled to pipe in, like now.

You sound like a total whiner.  Your team has experienced success on a level that the school hasn't seen in some time.  Unless you're a bandwagon jumper, I would think that the group's performance over the last four years compared to what it had been previously would be enough for you to not get so bent out of shape because some guys didn't get individual honors.  Appreciate the work they did as a team and congratulate the guys who won.  NORTHERN BIAS?????  Give me a break- why not just call them racist?  It would be just as credible.  Despite the rise of schools like UMHB and to a LESSER EXTENT, Millsaps, the north has a monopoly on d3 football.  There's simply a lot more choices up there.  The politically correct move would have been to give the award to a SCAC player when in doubt to assure that everyone gets their turn.  I appreciate the site's best efforts and don't care if my team ever shows up on there again as long as we win.

Or could it be...

That the 2009 Millsaps failures as a team has to be rectified somehow by individual honors?  7-3 was I'm sure disappointing, but the team was still very good in 2009.  However, the future in Jackson is definitely uncertain and it may be that you're trying to salvage as much pride as you can from this program in case they fall off the map again.  In case they do, will you still be there to support them?   

Again, I disapprove of overdoing the positives, but you're way out of line to keep coming back to this. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 29, 2009, 01:51:49 PM
Anybody else see that the Trinity-Millsaps lateral fest made Sportscenter's plays of the decade?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on December 29, 2009, 05:40:07 PM
Yep,,, short but sweet!  Will be shown one more time...ET  1/2 ESPN2 9:30pm-11pm


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 29, 2009, 08:02:06 PM
Awww....why'd you have top bring that up!!!!

LOL
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 29, 2009, 09:36:47 PM
QuoteAwww....why'd you have top bring that up!!!!

LOL

Sorry! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on December 30, 2009, 03:52:13 PM
Never get enough of that "Miracle in Mississippi"?    ;D

Hop on over to www.trinitymiracle.com for a walk down memory lane.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, Y'ALL.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on December 31, 2009, 04:10:53 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on December 30, 2009, 03:52:13 PM
Never get enough of that "Miracle in Mississippi"?    ;D

Hop on over to www.trinitymiracle.com for a walk down memory lane.

HAPPY NEW YEAR, Y'ALL.


I figured a 56-27 beatdown the year after would have silenced the crowd?! What was it, a 13-year streak of some sort?

Hop on over to http://gomajors.com/news/2008/11/4/FB_1104085944.aspx?path=football (http://gomajors.com/news/2008/11/4/FB_1104085944.aspx?path=football) for a trip down memory lane. :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 01, 2010, 12:54:56 PM
Happy New Year to all on the board.

May your 2010 be filled with success, health and lots of victories, except, of course when you're playing DPU:)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 01, 2010, 08:56:28 PM

I used the root word "whine" to describe INS_Major a few posts back.  I would have to replace that term with "sour grapes." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 02, 2010, 04:43:05 PM
Just stating the points, like the previous post. Sorry you don't agree TU2698.

Not sour at all, ya'll won on a fluke play, we turned around and romped you 56-27....and again this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on January 02, 2010, 06:28:59 PM

That "fluke" is a play that will never be forgotten by anyone that saw it one time.  There have been countless drubbings of one team by another, countless multi year periods in which one team owned another, and countless episodes of programs turning themselves around at the expense of another. 

Fifty years from now, people will still talk about how ONCE upon a time 11 guys from a small school in Texas refused to quit on the last play, unlike their opponents, and you will be the only one reminding people about how the team Trinity beat won the next game. 

Much like now.  You can't just accept that those guys pulled off something great.  You have to try and put out that fire with some of your own... well, I'll call it spoiled wine.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 09, 2010, 11:15:40 AM
Are SCAC teams playing 9 games in 2010? DePauw is picking up Rose-Hulman next season but that only gives them 9 games and I haven't heard talk of an additional game. If that is the case, what a ridiculous move.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on January 09, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
Birmingham-Southern has their 2010 schedule on line and it has ten games with LaGrange, Faulkner and Huntingdon for non-conference. Millsaps only has nine with Miss. College and Huntingdon non-conference. Not sure what happened to Belhaven, could have sworn it was on there the last time I looked.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2010, 06:04:31 PM
When does Hendrix field a team?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 09, 2010, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 09, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
Birmingham-Southern has their 2010 schedule on line and it has ten games with LaGrange, Faulkner and Huntingdon for non-conference. Millsaps only has nine with Miss. College and Huntingdon non-conference. Not sure what happened to Belhaven, could have sworn it was on there the last time I looked.

I heard the contract with Belhaven is up in the air, last year was the last year of a two-year contract. Millsaps will likely add a team like Louisiana College to make 10, but I know the SCAC will have a 9-game schedule in 2011.

Ralph,
On the Hendrix question, no time this decade.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 09, 2010, 11:20:48 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on January 09, 2010, 11:04:49 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on January 09, 2010, 03:25:18 PM
Birmingham-Southern has their 2010 schedule on line and it has ten games with LaGrange, Faulkner and Huntingdon for non-conference. Millsaps only has nine with Miss. College and Huntingdon non-conference. Not sure what happened to Belhaven, could have sworn it was on there the last time I looked.

I heard the contract with Belhaven is up in the air, last year was the last year of a two-year contract. Millsaps will likely add a team like Louisiana College to make 10, but I know the SCAC will have a 9-game schedule in 2011.

Ralph,
On the Hendrix question, no time this decade.
Thanks for the response, but I have a question.

Who are the 10-teams that will play the 9-conference games?

Or, is the conference voting to only play 9 games in a season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 10, 2010, 01:13:11 AM
I'm sure you're being at least a little facetious with the decade comment, but Hendrix isn't going to add football if the SCAC doesn't want to them to participate in it.  Unless the home office is planning on somebody leaving, everything we're talking about here doesn't make any sense.  9 team schedule in 2011?  I, too, have heard that Hendrix probably won't be ready by then.  They can't add a team and then have Hendrix up and running in the near future with no place for them in this conference.  I suppose that would be unless the SCAC thinks that DePauw or Centre is bolting for the spot that Earlham left in the North Coast.

This is very puzzling to me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 10, 2010, 02:52:03 PM
Quote
Thanks for the response, but I have a question.

Who are the 10-teams that will play the 9-conference games?

Or, is the conference voting to only play 9 games in a season?

Yes, the conference is voting only nine games as part of cost containment around the league. That goes for other sports too, I've heard, such as basketball, baseball, volleyball, etc. cutting their schedules.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 10, 2010, 02:54:24 PM
Quote
I'm sure you're being at least a little facetious with the decade comment, but Hendrix isn't going to add football if the SCAC doesn't want to them to participate in it.

Yea, I meant like 4-5 years. I'm sure the SCAC probably does want them to join in football, but first Hendrix said 2011, now I'm hearing 2012. So that probably means 2014 or 2015.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 11, 2010, 10:29:25 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on January 10, 2010, 01:13:11 AM
I'm sure you're being at least a little facetious with the decade comment, but Hendrix isn't going to add football if the SCAC doesn't want to them to participate in it.  Unless the home office is planning on somebody leaving, everything we're talking about here doesn't make any sense.  9 team schedule in 2011?  I, too, have heard that Hendrix probably won't be ready by then.  They can't add a team and then have Hendrix up and running in the near future with no place for them in this conference.  I suppose that would be unless the SCAC thinks that DePauw or Centre is bolting for the spot that Earlham left in the North Coast.

This is very puzzling to me.

Seems to me that if the SCAC is voting to cut game opportunities in a number of sports so that they can preserve their enormous geographic footprint, the incentive for DPU or Centre to leave increases.  Prospective student-athletes can't possibly like the idea of playing less games. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 11, 2010, 11:40:55 AM
Quote
Seems to me that if the SCAC is voting to cut game opportunities in a number of sports so that they can preserve their enormous geographic footprint, the incentive for DPU or Centre to leave increases.  Prospective student-athletes can't possibly like the idea of playing less games. 

Agreed on both ends.

Let's use baseball for example.... Division III plays 40 games, while NAIA 55 and Division I 60 (I think). You're already playing a ton less games at this level, and to cut down smaller really hurts, especially when it comes to regional bids playoff time. The rumor is the SCAC will have to cut down from 40 to 36 in the next two years. Not a good sign at all. This is all hearsay though, so take it like it could happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 11, 2010, 11:51:04 AM
I hate to say it, but maybe the SCAC is looking for the kinds of student-athletes that prefer extra time for study to extra time for games/playoffs.  It's never been an elite conference from the athletic perspective (with a few notable exceptions).  If the collective leadership of the schools (e.g. the respective presidents) have that vision for the conference, then they'll head down that path knowing full-well the impact it will have on potential student-athletes. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 11, 2010, 12:50:18 PM
QuoteProspective student-athletes can't possibly like the idea of playing less games.  

No question about it...would be horrible for recruiting purposes.

QuoteI hate to say it, but maybe the SCAC is looking for the kinds of student-athletes that prefer extra time for study to extra time for games/playoffs.

If that in fact is the case (which I highly doubt) the SCAC should head the words of CU's Dan Hawkins..."go play intramurals, brotha."!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4T26x6GZEw

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 11, 2010, 02:31:11 PM
Excuse me while I change the subject with some Millsaps news.

Millsaps Sports Information Director Kevin Maloney is leaving Millsaps effective January 14th to take a position with a D3 college in Texas.  I was closely connected with Millsaps athletics for several years before Kevin was hired so I have a very clear picture of just how valuable he has been to the athletic program and the school as a whole. 

Putting out media guides--sending stats and stories to the SCAC home office, D3Sports, and various home town newspapers--writing stories for the website--numerous game day responsibilities--working on special promotions--dealing with webcast issues--well, let's just say that an SID at a small school has to wear many hats and there's never enough time to do everything.  Kevin has done a great of job of doing far more than most and he has really been able to shine a bright light on the accomplishments of the Millsaps coaches and athletes. 

He will be miss and I certainly appreciated all that he has done for the athletes and the school over the last several years.  Thanks Kevin for a job well done.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 11, 2010, 02:57:22 PM
Quote
Excuse me while I change the subject with some Millsaps news.

Millsaps Sports Information Director Kevin Maloney is leaving Millsaps effective January 14th to take a position with a D3 college in Texas.  I was closely connected with Millsaps athletics for several years before Kevin was hired so I have a very clear picture of just how valuable he has been to the athletic program and the school as a whole. 

Putting out media guides--sending stats and stories to the SCAC home office, D3Sports, and various home town newspapers--writing stories for the website--numerous game day responsibilities--working on special promotions--dealing with webcast issues--well, let's just say that an SID at a small school has to wear many hats and there's never enough time to do everything.  Kevin has done a great of job of doing far more than most and he has really been able to shine a bright light on the accomplishments of the Millsaps coaches and athletes. 

He will be miss and I certainly appreciated all that he has done for the athletes and the school over the last several years.  Thanks Kevin for a job well done.

Well said, Frank. He will be missed. I've gotten to know him over the years as well, and he always went above and beyond his duties. Replacing him will be a tough task, and I hate to see him go. I know he reads the boards, so thanks so much for your efforts Kevin and I know you'll be a big-time SID wherever you go! Thanks from Millsaps!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 11, 2010, 04:04:40 PM
Best wishes to Kevin from the frozen tundra of Indiana. The DIII SIDs I have come in contact with are a hard working, dedicated bunch who do great things for their schools and the student-athletes who attend them. Hope Kevin continues to enjoy success...and that Millsaps gets a good replacement for him...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 11, 2010, 04:54:09 PM
Good luck to Kevin Maloney, who did a fine job at Millsaps ... can you at least tell us which conference he's going to?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 11, 2010, 05:49:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 11, 2010, 04:54:09 PM
Good luck to Kevin Maloney, who did a fine job at Millsaps ... can you at least tell us which conference he's going to?   ;)

He's going to the University of Texas at Tyler in the American Southwest Conference (ASC).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 11, 2010, 06:24:27 PM
Didn't Jason Livernois from Hendrix leave a while back for the same gig?  Sounds familiar for some reason.

We've now hit the point in the off-season where I'm discussing the job movements of past SCAC SID's.  Somebody get me a location on B.B. Branton!  Quickly!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on January 11, 2010, 06:32:48 PM
Kevin did a great job!  I wish him all the best in Tyler, and remind him that I've always got cold one's in the fridge in Dallas!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on January 14, 2010, 12:44:00 PM
Best of luck to Kevin; his work is nothing short of astounding.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on January 15, 2010, 02:01:34 PM
Kevin was a tremendous asset to/for Millsaps. My opinion is that you can get another SID at Millsaps but you can't replace him. He was unique in what he brought to the student athletes, their families and the staff. Thanks Kevin and Best Wishes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on January 19, 2010, 10:21:00 AM
Can this be confirmed?
Austin College (TX): Head coach Ronnie Gage has been hired at Barbers Hill HS (TX). From footballscoop.com
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 19, 2010, 11:33:46 AM
Wow...that would be a huge loss for the program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 19, 2010, 11:41:08 AM
Looks like he's going there to be AD.

http://www.barbershill.isd.esc4.net/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2010, 12:41:13 PM
What a shame for AC.   

I've never even HEARD of this district.  Or Mont Belvieu, the town where he's going.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on January 19, 2010, 05:04:51 PM
Mont Belvieu is in far exurbs on the east side of Houston.    Agreed that's is tough for AC; was expecting them to make some noise in our conference over the next few years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 19, 2010, 07:02:35 PM
QuoteAgreed that's is tough for AC; was expecting them to make some noise in our conference over the next few years.

Actually, I though AC took a bit of a step back this year. The program improved a ton over the past three years but couldn't seem to get over the hump this year. No doubt a very competitive team, but not where I thought they would be. And with the loss of some keys players, and now their coach, next couple of years could be tough IMHO.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on January 20, 2010, 01:08:26 PM
Changing the topic but Centre's schedule has been posted on their website and I am glad to see they've added a 10th game. Lagrange will now be filling the week 10 spot vacated by Colorado College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 20, 2010, 08:00:08 PM
QuoteChanging the topic but Centre's schedule has been posted on their website and I am glad to see they've added a 10th game. Lagrange will now be filling the week 10 spot vacated by Colorado College.

Thanks for the info...that is good news. Hope DePauw follows suit.
Just threw up in my mouth seeing the words Colorado College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on January 20, 2010, 08:08:05 PM
Sewanee added Earlham for their 10th game

http://sewaneetigers.com/sports/2008/10/8/FB_1008084912.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 20, 2010, 09:13:11 PM
QuoteSewanee added Earlham for their 10th game

http://sewaneetigers.com/sports/2008/10/8/FB_1008084912.aspx?path=football

Tigers will not go winless in 2010. If they do...perhaps time to follow the lead of the spineless wonders from Colorado Springs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 21, 2010, 12:46:16 PM
I, too, would hope that DePauw finds a tenth opponent, but as we talked about in the spring, you need it to be a winnable regional game or it really isn't worth the effort.  As Herm says, you don't play it to just play it.  10 is obviously better than 9, but let's help ourselves out here if we're going to decide to ago that route.

Also, I'd much rather fill that hole in Week 1 and keep the off week right before Trinity.  I'm sure RL is with me on that one.  I'd hazard a guess that he really enjoyed having that extra week to prepare for TU.

Using the d3football.com Open Dates (http://www.d3football.com/opendates/2010) page for this info:
Earlham filled with Sewanee on 9/4, so that date is going to go away.  UMHB and Capital are the only other region opponents open that week, but I don't think DePauw wants any of that action.  I sure don't.

There's only 2 region teams open on 10/16 - Adrian & LaGrange.  Both of those are probably pretty winnable.  Adrian makes the most sense because it's only a 3 or 4 hour bus ride.  DePauw owes a road game this year anyway and I know they don't want to go to Georgia to play it.  Maybe DePauw ought to think about making an a phone call to Adrian just for posterity's sake.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on January 21, 2010, 12:51:19 PM
I would like to shed a little light on the resignation of Ronnie Gage.  As many of you know I am a retired Texas coach and AD and am still active with the Texas High School Athletic Directors Association.  I am also a member of the Austin College "A" Association.

I was at a Dallas Regional AD meeting yesterday in Arlington and found out some details concerning Ronnie that I am able to share.  Ronnie was contacted by Mont Belvieu ISD after references by other Texas HS coaches.  He was made an offer that I believe would place him easily in the top five of the highest paid high school coaches in Texas.  There were other employment considerations made concerning his family as well that quite literally made this a financial offer he could not refuse. Also, without going into any details as I am sure everyone will understand, I believe that some circumstances with regard to the loss of his daughter to cancer not long ago made this a good move for him and his family as well.

Barbers Hill HS has had some periods of great success in their athletic history and have a tradition they are trying to revive with Ronnie's hire.  The superintendent of the district is a former successful coach and realizes the importance athletics can play in the overall educational process.

I am also able to share that the former coach and current Assistant Athletic Director, David Norman, has been appointed to serve as the director of football operations with particular emphasis on recruiting activities during this interim period.  In coordination with current defensive coordinator Eddie Brister and the remaining staff, every effort is being made to continue to reach out to those recruits who have already been contacted or had a visit as well as those yet to come.  

The job search has begun, many coaches have already expressed interest in the position and the search for a new head football coach will be conducted as rapidly as possible.

I would like to express my personal thanks to Ronnie for his work in developing the AC football program.  He is a great guy and I truly wish him the best.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 21, 2010, 12:57:48 PM
QuoteMaybe DePauw ought to think about making an a phone call to Adrian just for posterity's sake.

Perhaps the call will begin with, "Yo, Adrian."  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 21, 2010, 01:15:07 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 21, 2010, 12:57:48 PM
QuoteMaybe DePauw ought to think about making an a phone call to Adrian just for posterity's sake.

Perhaps the call will begin with, "Yo, Adrian."  ;)

+1.  Somebody had to do it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 21, 2010, 02:22:12 PM
Thanks for the background info, roocru.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 21, 2010, 09:23:48 PM
Quote+1.  Somebody had to do it. 
:D

Question...does playing a non DIII team count? These teams are probably scheduled for next season, but out of curiousity, say DePauw played Butler or Marian (NAIA)... how would the game be factored in? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on January 21, 2010, 09:55:56 PM
Quote from: roocru on January 21, 2010, 12:51:19 PM
I would like to express my personal thanks to Ronnie for his work in developing the AC football program.  He is a great guy and I truly wish him the best.

I too cannot show enough appreciation of Ronnie Gage and definitely wish the very best for him and Mrs Gage and their family.

It will be interesting to monitor the progress and changes ahead at Austin College. I believe the football program is better - in ways both tangible and intangible - as he leaves, than it was when he arrived.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 21, 2010, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 21, 2010, 09:23:48 PM

Question...does playing a non DIII team count? These teams are probably scheduled for next season, but out of curiousity, say DePauw played Butler or Marian (NAIA)... how would the game be factored in? 


It would "count" as a tenth game, but as far as playoff selection criteria are concerned, it would not be a factor. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 22, 2010, 05:14:19 PM
Yeah, Ron's right. You're playing 10, but to the selection committee, you're playing 9 essentially.

Although I'd argue that losing to a non-D3 certainly doesn't help your case, despite those type games not technically being a part of the selection criteria.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ryan Tipps on January 24, 2010, 07:38:42 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 21, 2010, 10:16:29 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 21, 2010, 09:23:48 PM

Question...does playing a non DIII team count? These teams are probably scheduled for next season, but out of curiousity, say DePauw played Butler or Marian (NAIA)... how would the game be factored in? 


It would "count" as a tenth game, but as far as playoff selection criteria are concerned, it would not be a factor. 

I thought that it was a factor, just not a very significant one. In the secondary criteria published by the NCAA, it goes to specific lenghts to differentiate between "Overall Division III won-loss percentage" and "Overall win-loss percentage."

That would lead me to believe that, in theory, all games count for something. That said, we all saw last year how the theories will or won't be practically applied. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on January 24, 2010, 11:53:23 PM
Coach Pelch back to Millsaps??   Now that his Oakland gig is up, a little bird tells me that may be being bounced about:

from Oakland:  "In other news, the contracts of assistants Aaron Pelch, Rich Scangarello and Bert Leone expired and have not been renewed. Pelch assisted special teams coordinator John Fassel. Scangarello was a quality-control coach for offense, Leone a quality-control coach for defense."


Thoughts??  Seems liek MC is in limbo as of now so they need to geta plan and make a move.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 25, 2010, 02:23:08 PM
I'd like to see Coach Pelch back at Millsaps and it seems to me that he would be an excellent head coach.

From what I've heard, Millsaps received a lot of applications from outstanding coaches and progress is being made on narrowing the list down.  It won't surprise me if the names of the next school president and next head coach are announced in the early part of February. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 25, 2010, 10:36:58 PM
Word is, Frank, there really weren't that many great applicants.

Whoever we get, DuBose can't be replaced. Coach Caffey is the next best thing because he is fresh with the program and has a great offensive scheme. If Millsaps goes with anyone else, we won't be a contender next year and we'll lose even more players and more of the staff.

And on Aaron Pelch coming back, that depends on a) if he is a finalist for the job and b) if he is offered the job, does he really want to take a huge step backwards from the NFL to Division III? I just don't know. I realize his contract wasn't renewed, but I think you got to take a good look at where you want to go in your career. I'd love to see him get another NFL job or at least Div-I or Div-II.

Either way, it's been 6 weeks since DuBose resigned, and that's too long in my mind to be in limbo. I don't expect an announcement until mid or late February the way this has been handled already.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 26, 2010, 10:16:58 AM
Were there any applications from former SEC Coach of the Year winners?  Not that I know of, but that doesn't mean that there weren't some very good applicants.  Think of it this way:  exactly how many D3 programs are headed up by former Coach of the Year winners from a major D1 conference?  That was a very nice luxury for the last 4 years at Millsaps, and we should not make the mistake of comparing every resume to that lofty standard.

Here's another question to ponder.  After DuBose came in and won a SCAC Championship in his first season, how many people thought he would stay at Millsaps for 4 years?  As the championships continued, who could blame DuBose for looking at the bigger salaries, bigger challenges, and greater stage of D1 football?

As for Coach Caffey, I do think he would do a great job and hopefully he will be back at Millsaps one way or the other.  To say that he is the best applicant for the job must mean that you have access to all of the applications and have checked out all of the finalists.  Maybe he is the best of the applicants, but to say that Millsaps won't be a contender next season unless we have one specific coach is really an insult to the returning players.  There will be a very talented group returning next year and Millsaps will be one of several strong contenders for the SCAC crown next season.  I don't need to wait for the announcement of the next head coach to know that for a fact.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 26, 2010, 01:57:00 PM
Quote
Maybe he is the best of the applicants, but to say that Millsaps won't be a contender next season unless we have one specific coach is really an insult to the returning players.  There will be a very talented group returning next year and Millsaps will be one of several strong contenders for the SCAC crown next season.  I don't need to wait for the announcement of the next head coach to know that for a fact.

The thing is, it's not an insult, it's the truth. Some of our best players are already saying they'll leave if Caffey isn't the man. On top of that, the ones that are already pondering leaving because DuBose left. I won't name names, but just wait until you see the 2010 roster next fall, then you'll believe me if things don't fall into place.

I just can't say we'll be a contender next year if we don't stay in house. We could lose 2-3 more coaches if we're not careful, including Caffey.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on January 26, 2010, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: INS_Major on January 25, 2010, 10:36:58 PM
Either way, it's been 6 weeks since DuBose resigned, and that's too long in my mind to be in limbo. I don't expect an announcement until mid or late February the way this has been handled already.

I have no idea who is being considered by Millsaps for this job, but it seems that Millsaps is on a very similar timeline to the one Wabash was on during their coaching in 2007-2008.  Chris Creighton resigned right before Christmas and Coach Raeburn wasn't announced until the first or second week of February.  It was a 6-7 week process.  I know a lot of Wabash fans were nervous about the length of that search, but if the AD is going about the search at Millsaps in the right way, you can certainly wind up with a very good coach. 

These are definitely nervous times for a program (I did plenty of frenzied texting during Wabash's search a couple of years ago).  Hope it turns out well for the Majors. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 26, 2010, 07:56:11 PM
INS_Major, you obvious have a much closer connection to the players than I do.  Based on what you are saying, Coach DuBose apparently built a program with a foundation made of sand.  Players leaving because DuBose left, top players bailing out if the school doesn't pick their choice for the next head coach--it's not the image I see when I think of this group of young men, but as mentioned, you know them much better.

Regardless of who the new coach is and regardless of how many guys leave because they will only play under one or two particular coaches, I plan on being out there supporting the staff and the players.  I've seen some terrible football teams at Millsaps and some great ones.  The one consistent throughout is that every team has been overwhelmingly made up of outstanding young men.  Win or lose, they deserve all the support they can get.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 26, 2010, 09:50:17 PM
I'm just nervous as hell that we won't get the right guy. I want to think positive but it's hard.

Players usually have strong connections to their head coach, so it wouldn't surprise me if some had second thoughts about leaving. Either way, it's just my opinion that key guys would leave even though I hope they stay -- all of them.

I'll be out supporting my butt off as well, win or lose, but this whole situation just makes me so nervous. I want to see continued success, not a step backwards. And every team has outstanding young men, that's a given. I'm not questioning that and I never have. The support will not go away either way on the gridiron.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on January 26, 2010, 10:38:01 PM
My infor runs counter to INS-Major, regarding players preparing to leave based on the choice of coach.  I am told that there is apprehension and anxiety, but no serious talk of leaving.

....for what its worth....

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2010, 08:08:13 AM
QuoteINS_Major, you obvious have a much closer connection to the players than I do.  Based on what you are saying, Coach DuBose apparently built a program with a foundation made of sand.  Players leaving because DuBose left, top players bailing out if the school doesn't pick their choice for the next head coach--it's not the image I see when I think of this group of young men, but as mentioned, you know them much better.

Agree. This is DIII football...I suppose they are planning to transfer to improve their draft status? Give me a break. Certainly potential recruits can view the coaching uncertainty as a reason to perhaps choose another school...but if a bunch of current players are going to leave because of a new coach it probably makes a statement about the program. And perhaps the school?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 27, 2010, 08:58:00 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2010, 08:08:13 AM
Agree. This is DIII football...I suppose they are planning to transfer to improve their draft status? Give me a break. Certainly potential recruits can view the coaching uncertainty as a reason to perhaps choose another school...but if a bunch of current players are going to leave because of a new coach it probably makes a statement about the program. And perhaps the school?

I'm not sure I would agree with that. The only major thing I feel we mess up in DIII is that in the process of lifting up academic achievement and campus involvement (which are both great), we tend to completely minimize the importance of athletics to these kids. For most, it has been an overwhelming part of their life since they were young and they take it seriously, and the opportunity for success is important.

The truth is most of the DIII universities offer great educations, and players have many options where they can have both athletic and academic success. I'm sure Millsaps will make another good hire and they will continue to be successful, and they will continue to build their football program. But at the same time, I wouldn't label the players negatively because they place importance on who their coach is and what direction the program is headed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2010, 09:19:31 AM
QuoteI'm not sure I would agree with that. The only major thing I feel we mess up in DIII is that in the process of lifting up academic achievement and campus involvement (which are both great), we tend to completely minimize the importance of athletics to these kids. For most, it has been an overwhelming part of their life since they were young and they take it seriously, and the opportunity for success is important.

I understand what you are saying...and agree, to an extent. I wouldn't say completely minimize.  Certainly few schools could match the coaching changes at DePauw in recent years and I don't recall existing players who talked about bolting to go elsewhere. When Wabash lost Coach Creighton a few years back I don't recall hearing it either. just seems to me if kids are in a good program at a school where you are going to get a top flight education, bailing because of a coaching change, unless there are other factors at play, is a bit strange. But again, I hear your point about the tendency to downplay athletics...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: golden_dome on January 27, 2010, 09:50:12 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2010, 09:19:31 AM
QuoteI'm not sure I would agree with that. The only major thing I feel we mess up in DIII is that in the process of lifting up academic achievement and campus involvement (which are both great), we tend to completely minimize the importance of athletics to these kids. For most, it has been an overwhelming part of their life since they were young and they take it seriously, and the opportunity for success is important.

I understand what you are saying...and agree, to an extent. I wouldn't say completely minimize.  Certainly few schools could match the coaching changes at DePauw in recent years and I don't recall existing players who talked about bolting to go elsewhere. When Wabash lost Coach Creighton a few years back I don't recall hearing it either. just seems to me if kids are in a good program at a school where you are going to get a top flight education, bailing because of a coaching change, unless there are other factors at play, is a bit strange. But again, I hear your point about the tendency to downplay athletics...

And I understand your point. I don't advocate bouncing from one school to the next either, just because of coaching changes. There is a balance in there somewhere. I doubt there will be any significant loss of players at Millsaps when it's all said and done.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on January 27, 2010, 11:07:35 AM
well, at least milsaps possible presidential choices look impressive:

http://www.millsaps.edu/presidential_search/

i'd probably go with the milsaps grad but ? why he would give up being a doc to become a college president. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 27, 2010, 12:51:39 PM
QuoteAnd I understand your point. I don't advocate bouncing from one school to the next either, just because of coaching changes. There is a balance in there somewhere. I doubt there will be any significant loss of players at Millsaps when it's all said and done.

Understood...and my guess is you will be right regarding how many kids, if any, leave.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2010, 01:03:40 PM
Two quick things:

--For the record, I don't think there will be a lot of current players leaving Millsaps.  Tacttm1 summed up what I have been thinking with the comment:  "...there is apprehension and anxiety, but no serious talk of leaving". 

I'm sure the players and remaining coaches are quite anxious about who will be the next coach and what sort of changes that will mean.

---Also, I've been told that the doctor candidate is also in the running for the head job at the University Medical Center here in Jackson and will interview for both jobs on his trip to Jackson (or did interview--I don't know the timetable).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
One other tidbit from the Jackson newspaper that relates to the difference between D3 and D1. 

Kent Austin, the 2009 Offensive Coordinator at Ole Miss, left that position to take the head coaching job at Cornell.  Austin still had one year left on his Ole Miss contract which paid $305,000 per year.  That's a lot of money and my guess is that a coordinator's job at a bigger school pays a bigger salary.  It would be hard for any D3 school to compete with those numbers and I can see where it would be hard for a coach to resist the lure of moving up to the D1 level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BTEXPRESS on January 27, 2010, 04:28:18 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2010, 02:30:54 PM
One other tidbit from the Jackson newspaper that relates to the difference between D3 and D1. 

Kent Austin, the 2009 Offensive Coordinator at Ole Miss, left that position to take the head coaching job at Cornell.  Austin still had one year left on his Ole Miss contract which paid $305,000 per year.  That's a lot of money and my guess is that a coordinator's job at a bigger school pays a bigger salary.  It would be hard for any D3 school to compete with those numbers and I can see where it would be hard for a coach to resist the lure of moving up to the D1 level.
That being said, I can't believe Cornell pays their Head Coach that kind of $$$. Maybe they do but the Ivy league is still 1AA right? I was always under the assumption  that most IAA Head Coaches made between $100,000 to $200,000 a year. Maybe that SEC mentality has tricked down the ranks???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on January 28, 2010, 09:24:22 AM
Quote from: cush on January 27, 2010, 11:07:35 AM
well, at least milsaps possible presidential choices look impressive:

Rob Pearigen would be a good choice for the President's job at Milsaps.   He was one of the leading candidates for the same position at Sewanee  and was the favorite amongst those of our alumni who wanted to see one of our own in the position.  However, our search committee decided to go for the candidate who was better known on the national stage (much like what Milsaps did with hiring Coach Dubose).

As for the football coaching position, I'd say go with Coach Caffey given how well the Majors have performed  past few years.  He would be a good fit and you avoid the continuity problems that bringing in someone new would cause.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 28, 2010, 11:30:18 AM
QuoteThat being said, I can't believe Cornell pays their Head Coach that kind of $$$. Maybe they do but the Ivy league is still 1AA right? I was always under the assumption  that most IAA Head Coaches made between $100,000 to $200,000 a year. Maybe that SEC mentality has tricked down the ranks???  

Yeah, definitely not making close to that at Cornell. Sometimes coaches make moves for reasons other than money. Buddy Teevens (a Dartmouth alum) certainly doesn't make as much at Dartmouth as he did as head coach at Stanford.  I'm not sure what IAA guys make. For reference, MAC head coaches are in the $150-300k range, although Al Golden at Temple is close to $600,000!  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2010, 02:35:30 PM
While waiting on news regarding the next Millsaps head football coach, some of you may find it interesting to look at the Millsaps coaching history of the past (or you may want to skip down to the part about DuBose).  It has some relevance to the current situation (grab a beer—this is really long, even by my standards):

---The media guide shows coaching records from 1957 through 2008.  From 1957 through 1963, 5 coaches combined for a 11-42-5 record.  How many of you remember C.M. "Sammy" Bartling (2-5 in his last season which was 1957), Marvin G. Smith (4-21-2 in 3 seasons), Flavious J. Smith (1-5-2), Bill Dupes (3-4-1) and Ray Thornton (1-7)?

---The good news about the above lack of success, is that it dulled the pain of the 7-23-2 record compiled by Harper Davis from 1964-67.  The legendary Harper Davis wasn't fired after that start, staying on for 25 years and compiling a 140-78-4 record.  In today's culture, the 1-6-1 record in 1967 would have been his last season for sure.

---When Harper retired, he was replaced by long time assistant Tommy Ranager (this didn't upset the other assistant coaches because there were no others—Harper and Tommy were the entire coaching staff back in the 70's and 80's).  Coach Ranager compiled a 32-31-2 record from 1989-95.

---Former Millsaps player Ron Jurney started his 4-year tenure with a bang in 1996, going 8-2 in route to an SCAC Co-Championship and Coach of the Year honors.  Unfortunately, the next 3 seasons were 3-7, 3-7, and 2-8.

---Here's where Millsaps started looking towards the D1 level for coaches.  In 2000, they brought in former MS State head coach Bob Tyler.  Okay, so his stint at MS State was from 1973-78 and he had been out of coaching since 1981.  He was still a successful SEC head coach during his prime.  On the field, his MS State teams were 39-25-3.  A long and unsuccessful court battle by MS State against the NCAA resulted in MS State forfeits after the fact that reduced Tyler's official record to 21-44-2.

Tyler did alright at Millsaps, going 5-5, 6-4, and 3-6 during his 3 seasons.  It was better than the 8-22 of the 3 seasons prior to his arrival, but the program wasn't really going in the right direction when Coach Tyler left.

---In 2003, Millsaps looked to the D1 level again, hiring Ole Miss assistant coach David Saunders.  He almost killed the program.  I mean that literally.  Upon discovering that some players would miss some practices because of afternoon labs, Coach Saunders found a solution.  Football practice would be at 6 a.m. instead of in the afternoons.

Now 8 a.m. classes in college are always tough, but think about having those classes after meeting with a study group at 10 in the evening, working past midnight, then getting up at 5 for a 90 minute football practice, and then having to skip breakfast in order to get to class on time.  My nephew was on that team and I talked with many of the parents that season.  Over and over I heard parents say something like, "I've always told my son to finish what they start, but this is the one time when I would back them 100% if they want to quit in the middle of the season."  It was a very bad year in a lot of ways and at times it really looked like they might not have enough players left to field a team.

Saunders lasted 3 seasons and compiled a 7-21 record.  His most notable accomplishment by far was the hiring of Mike DuBose as the defensive coordinator in 2005.

---Most of you know that DuBose took over as head coach in 2006 and in his 4 years as head coach he won 4 SCAC Championships, compiled a 33-10 record (24-2 in the SCAC), and he took the team to the playoffs twice, the first playoff appearances since 1975.  I personally wish Coach DuBose had stayed on for 15 more years.  The next guy is going to have some very big shoes to fill, and in all likelihood, the next coach will have a resume that pales compared to the last 4 years.

HOWEVER, let's not forget that people had some real doubts and concerns when Coach DuBose was hired.  Do you remember?  There were plenty of Alabama fans who predicted that Millsaps would be sorry about the hire and there were some Millsaps fans wondering if former D1 coaches were really capable of acclimating to the D3 environment.  It hadn't worked very well in the past for Millsaps.  To jog your memory, le's turn the clock back a few years.

When DuBose was hired at Millsaps, he brought with him an SEC Coach of the Year award.  He also brought a 24-23 record as the Alabama head coach for 4 seasons, a stretch between 1997 and 2000 that had plenty of controversy both on and off the field.  After the SEC, DuBose served 3 years as a high school head coach, compiling an overall record of 20-17.

So, prior to taking over as the Millsaps head coach, Mike DuBose had a 44-40 record as a head coach.  He did have a reputation as a defensive specialist, but during his one year as the Millsaps defensive coordinator the team gave up 315 points in 9 games, a 35 point per game average.  By the way, that average was better than the first 3 Millsaps games the next season when the defense gave up 52, 41, and 35 points.

Now let's be clear on something, I'm not writing any of the above in an effort to criticize Coach DuBose.  I'm just trying to remind people that the Coach DuBose's resume after the 2005 season would pale in comparison to his resume after the 2009 season.  To be honest, back in 2006 I was more excited about Saunders leaving than I was about DuBose taking over.  Heck, I would have been happy with Flavious J. Smith coming back from the dead (or the nursing home) just as long as there was a coaching change.

When the new coach is named at Millsaps in a few days or weeks, remember that DuBose didn't have 4 straight conference championships on his resume or the distinction of having won 92% of his conference games.  He didn't even produce great stats in his one year as an assistant, but look what he did for the program as the head coach. Give the next guy a chance to succeed and he might just take the program to an even higher level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on January 29, 2010, 12:35:44 AM
Word out of Jackson today is that it's narrowed to eight finalists with a decision to be announced Feb. 15.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 29, 2010, 08:04:38 AM
A skinny post:

Local newspaper about the Saints training camps at Millsaps:  http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20100129/COL0504/1290334/1287/SPORTS/It-all-started-here
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 29, 2010, 08:50:43 AM
For those interested in such things, the latest NACUBO endowment report (http://www.nacubo.org/Documents/research/2009_NCSE_Public_Tables_Endowment_Market_Values.pdf) is out.  As you might expect, it's not pretty given that it covered the period 1 Jul 08-30 Jun 09. 

BS-C, the school with the smallest endowment, also took the largest hit (27.2% loss) during the period, but all SCAC schools lost 15% or more of their endowment, including those which were actively raising funds during the period.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on January 29, 2010, 11:22:51 AM
School/Current Endowment/ % loss:

Trinity            850M/ -17.8
Depauw         425M/-21.9
CC                 400M/-18.7
Sewanne        246M/-21.4
Rhodes           229M/-18.5
SW                  226M/-19.2
Centre            159M/-16.6
Hendrix            115M/-21.8
Austin              109M/-22.3
BSC                 72M/-27.4
Milsaps            71M/-19.8
OU                   not listed
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 29, 2010, 07:06:43 PM
OU (http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/best-colleges/atlanta-ga/oglethorpe-university-1586)

The endowment listed at US News and World Report is $20,555,912
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 29, 2010, 10:48:23 PM

QuoteTrinity            850M/ -17.8
Depauw         425M/-21.9
CC                 400M/-18.7
Sewanne        246M/-21.4
Rhodes           229M/-18.5
SW                  226M/-19.2
Centre            159M/-16.6
Hendrix            115M/-21.8
Austin              109M/-22.3
BSC                 72M/-27.4
Milsaps            71M/-19.8
OU                   not listed

$850 million??? You think Trinity could carve a buck or two to imrpove those God -awful facilities:)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 30, 2010, 11:42:44 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on January 29, 2010, 10:48:23 PM

QuoteTrinity            850M/ -17.8
Depauw         425M/-21.9
CC                 400M/-18.7
Sewanne        246M/-21.4
Rhodes           229M/-18.5
SW                  226M/-19.2
Centre            159M/-16.6
Hendrix            115M/-21.8
Austin              109M/-22.3
BSC                 72M/-27.4
Milsaps            71M/-19.8
OU                   not listed

$850 million??? You think Trinity could carve a buck or two to imrpove those God -awful facilities:)

DPU, from your lips to the ears of the Trinity administration.   ;)

Speaking of that, here's an Express-News interview (http://bit.ly/aLkocV) with new president Dr. Dennis Ahlberg, who comes to Trinity from UC-Boulder and has some serious goals for the school.  Nothing here about athletics, but still a good read.  I hope he's successful in breaking down some of the virtual walls that the school has erected around itself the last 20 or so years. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on January 30, 2010, 12:52:13 PM
QuoteSpeaking of that, here's an Express-News interview with new president Dr. Dennis Ahlberg, who comes to Trinity from UC-Boulder and has some serious goals for the school.  Nothing here about athletics, but still a good read.  I hope he's successful in breaking down some of the virtual walls that the school has erected around itself the last 20 or so years. 

Sounds like he has some definite ideas, including engaging the community, which could potentially be a great thing for football (and all athletic programs). It's amazing what strong leadership can do for a university or for that matter any organization. Hope he does great things for Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on January 30, 2010, 02:48:21 PM
I looked for OU on that list but couldn't find them...that 20m figure from us news is from last year, so it might be 20% cut from that level but than again all those endowments are probably 10% or so higher from those figures given the market move (might not last) from june 2009. Some other  possible future scac school's:

Berry College 558m (-13.8) good chunk of their endowment is land holdings
Centenary College 89m (-20.3)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 31, 2010, 09:52:52 PM
I'd be bracing for impact in regards to next year's tuition bill if I had a youngster at one of those schools down over 20%. 

DePauw's been blaming their tuition hikes on that for a decade.  That's when it was only going down like 5%.  DePauw losing a full fifth of the endowment is going to send tuition even FURTHER through the roof than it already is.  Unless they now have better reasons for setting the price of admission, I suppose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 31, 2010, 11:10:03 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on January 31, 2010, 09:52:52 PM
I'd be bracing for impact in regards to next year's tuition bill if I had a youngster at one of those schools down over 20%. 

DePauw's been blaming their tuition hikes on that for a decade.  That's when it was only going down like 5%.  DePauw losing a full fifth of the endowment is going to send tuition even FURTHER through the roof than it already is.  Unless they now have better reasons for setting the price of admission, I suppose.

Wes, remember that these figures were as of the end of June '09 (and represent an increase from the nadir reached in the Feb-Mar '09 time frame).  If schools were going to jack up tuition, they probably would have done it this year on an emergency basis. 

It's possible (and perhaps likely) that most of the schools on this list have recovered half or more of their losses since this data point was taken.  It would also be interesting to go back and see how these numbers relate to endowments of, say, 2005 or 2006.  You'd likely see a much different picture over that period.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 01, 2010, 01:01:00 AM
DePauw's did go up a great deal from last school year to the current one, which is what gave me the heebie jeebies. 

I'm sure the overall picture in regards to the endowments isn't quite as alarming as that one particular point on a timeline, but I know DePauw's hasn't done anything good at any point since I was there.  As I mentioned, DePauw has been talking about the endowment going the wrong way since at least 2002, if not longer than that. 

Plus, people keep suing them.  That's certainly not helping tuition either. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 01, 2010, 08:46:40 AM
Wes, I'm sorry to hear both that DPU is the target of lawsuits, and that tuition has been jacked up.

One of the great things about posting on boards is that you learn something once in a while.  Our good friend Ralph Turner sent me a link to the 2005 NACUBO survey; I've extracted the 2004 figures from that report and the result is that things aren't nearly as rosy as I'd proposed:

School           2004  2009  % Chg
Trinity           674   850   26%
Depauw         410   425    4%
Colorado Coll   424   400   -6%
Sewanne        240   246   2%
Rhodes           212   229   8%
Southwestern  278   226   -19%
Centre           150   159   6%
Hendrix           137   115   -16%
Austin             NR   109   --
BSC               112   72   -36%
Millsaps            84   71   -15%

Trinity's numbers are inflated because they were in the midst of a recently completed $200M campaign; absent that, they'd be close to flat. 

Looking at this you can see why the schools are trying to cut discretionary spending (such as travel costs) as much as possible. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 01, 2010, 01:03:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 01, 2010, 08:46:40 AM
Wes, I'm sorry to hear both that DPU is the target of lawsuits, and that tuition has been jacked up.

Eh, what can you do? Quit firing people without just cause and that'll probably stop. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on February 01, 2010, 01:40:27 PM
Eh????  What I see is that Trinity is pretty good at raising money, investing money,,,  but doesn't spend much on things like need-based and score-based financial aid....  Obviously (now former Prez) Brazil was good at the former and bad at the latter...  hope new Pres will 'get it'
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 01, 2010, 04:00:40 PM
Now we see why BSC wanted to move.

I haven't looked at Centenary's numbers.  Ron, can you get them now?

(I can look later tonight.)


Centenary LA

2004 $105,661K
2008 $112,219K
2009  $89,448K
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bb king on February 02, 2010, 05:17:38 PM
This maybe long so grab a cold one and hang on for the ride.  This is my first post on this site, although I have read this site for years. I couldn't help but read about all the coaching changes going on in the league. I am also an avid Millsaps supporter.

My purpose here is not to tear people down but give an honest view of Millsaps, Millsaps athletics and the coaching search.

As for Millsaps, the school itself is in limbo on which direction to head with the current status of the President, new football coach, new admissons director and the reduction in staff all across campus with some people now doing 2 if not 3 jobs on campus. Part of this is do to the economy and the loss of millions in the endowment. The second part of this is because admissons has not met its number of students for several years and a lowered discount rate lower than is necessary. With the year Katrina hit Millsaps also took a hit from lack of students when this occured they accepted a lot of kids who were boarderline financially and this has created a problem. The majority of these kids who were boarder line were of african american decent. Currently Millsaps is at 25% african american and would like to be some where between 12 to 15%. This has been studied by the college and has being reduced through admissons trying to find more full pay kids. You may ask why is this important. It is important because the majority of those kids are football players or some form of athlete on campus. To me this should not be a contest for who has the most money and can afford to come to Millsaps but to educate all those who are willing to come to this fine institution.

The next part of this deals with the athletic side of things. So hear we go as I mentioned above athletics has been the saver at Millsaps for several years especially in the fact of helping admissons to at least get close to the numbers they have needed at the end. This has also created a huge burden on the athletic budget in that the school had not planed a budget to fit these students and coaches and all the things that come with fielding a bigger athletic dept. bigger team sizes etc. When asked to go get more kids all the sports did that but at first were not covered to fit the number of kids as time progressed they were alloted approx 7500 per kid over the budgetary number that still was not enough to house, feed, buy equipment etc. for the numbers they had on campus. Currently there is a debt in football alone of over 100,000 dollars. This do to championship rings, travel, equipement etc.

It is a one man fundraising venture inside the athletic dept. Jim Page has done a great job in this area. This is not to say there has not been a lot of outside people who has helped especially 3 to 4 people. But Jim can't do it by himself and be expected to run a top notch baseball program.

They need to hire an athletic director who has vision and can communicate with people the current ad has none of these skills and has turned a lot of people off to the programs at Millsaps. I know some one will say this is not true but having spoke to a lot of alumni and business people in the Jackson area it would do them good to look to find a full time ad. It has been widely known that if Tim wise Could he would get rid of womens basketball coach the problem is he can't do it because he has not been successful with his own program. It is sad to me when you are the head coach athletic director and you have 12 guys on your team and you only by 7 of them shoes or you take them on a road trip give them $6 go back and take a dollar from the kid and tell him you can't have it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bb king on February 02, 2010, 05:35:58 PM
This being said lets talk about Kevin Maloney for a minute. He did a great job at Millsaps, but one of the reasons he left was because of promises made by Tim Wise to increase his money and it was agreed on. The problem was Tim only gave half of the amount agreed. Kevin was very happy here and would have never left if not for this dealing.

I hate to say this but I do believe that football is going to take a little downward turn. Here is why. 1. to get the budgets back in line they have to go back to a 65 or 70 man roster from a 130 man roster. They will scale back coaches to the amount that David Saunders had. This means less man power on road to recruit and over see the bigger number.

As for players who may leave: Michael Galatas, Shane Bowser maybe two. Both have had issues I will not discuss. Both would be a huge loss to the program.

As for head coaching candidates: I believe there is a strong pool of well qualified applicants who have SEC experience to Div1 experience To Head coaches who have been successful. Some of these guys run the same type of offense a little variation but will do will there.

As for Pelch and Caffey do I think they are the only two that should get a look at being a head coach who has ever worked for coach dubose not really.

As for Pelch being the right fit I don't know but I do know that he had a hard time recruiting here. He might be a great guy. But if you look at where he has been the only place he has had success was at Millsaps as a coach.

Caffey fell into a situation that was set up by others, has not been a proven recruiter yet.

The problem with both is can they bring new money to the table when Millsaps needs it. Maybe they can but without ties here it is hard to break into the circles that give.

My question is this

Why isn't shannon dawson on list he got the ball rolling offensively and very effective recruiter, why not Marcus Woodson did a great job coaching secondary and effective recruiter brought shane bowser here, David Johnson proven recruiter and head coach lot of LA ties. Fred McNair taught jaun joseph how to play qb and brings a name. The sad part is Dave and Fred never had the chance to be a coordinator no one took the time to ask although they new the system.

Just a thought before this committe decides who should be its next head coach maybe they should talk to the ones who built it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bb king on February 02, 2010, 07:05:49 PM
My personal opinion is that some times we as fans don't always see who is doing a good job or what they do behind the scenes to make Saturday go well. We look and give a lot if not all the credit to the HC and not to the assistants who make the wheel turn. With that being said especially at the division 3 level people don't often talk about the recruiting that coaches have done or which coaches have brought players to the table. All we look at is the title given to them or only shown the ones that people want us to see. It takes players to make this thing happen with out them you can be a great x&O guy and that is fine but you better surround yourself with others who can do the job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 02, 2010, 07:23:14 PM
Back to our earlier discussion on salaries....get this. Word today out of Tuscaloosa that Alabama's Defensive Coordinator just got his deal extended through 2012....at $750k per!!! WOW...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on February 02, 2010, 07:48:06 PM
BB King, welcome to the board. I'm sure you'll get slammed by a lot of people for your comments, but I for one agree with a ton of them.

As a follower of Millsaps myself for nearly 6 years, I have to say all your points make a lot of sense. There are a lot of problems in the athletic department at Millsaps that need some serious work, that is no secret. If they screw up this hire in the football program, it could have some awful repercussions.

I'm shocked at a lot of things you pointed out and agree it all starts at the top with the man running the show, the athletic director. The points you make show that he's just not the right man for the department and a lot of people there know it, they just don't say it. A true AD will turn that place around.

Along with a new football coach and President, I really hope we get an AD who cares. Soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 02, 2010, 11:13:20 PM

Just curious bbking.  I get the idea that most of your candidates that have been overlooked have one thing in common that has nothing to do with coaching.  I'll let you figure that one out or I might get a lifetime ban from this place. 

Stick to music, my friend.  Your writing skills don't earn you much credibility and your claim that Millsaps wants to reduce its black population is shady at best.  Why would you be privy to that information if you were willing to spill it like that?  No school would want that getting out.  I think you're full of it. 

Clearly you had to get a lot off your chest.  I HOPE that in some cases you are not being truthful. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 03, 2010, 11:09:56 AM
QuoteJust curious bbking.  I get the idea that most of your candidates that have been overlooked have one thing in common that has nothing to do with coaching.  I'll let you figure that one out or I might get a lifetime ban from this place.  

Stick to music, my friend.  Your writing skills don't earn you much credibility and your claim that Millsaps wants to reduce its black population is shady at best.  Why would you be privy to that information if you were willing to spill it like that?  No school would want that getting out.  I think you're full of it.  

Clearly you had to get a lot off your chest.  I HOPE that in some cases you are not being truthful.  

Strange post to say the least...got a chuckle out of your "stick to music, my friend" line  :D

Seems like there was a fair amount of bitterness in that rambling rant. I, too, hope some of those things are more fantasy than fact.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2010, 12:54:09 AM
Mr King has left the room.

It seems that he may have taken Lucille with him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 04, 2010, 09:27:29 AM
Perhaps Mr "King" realized that his email address was visible and showed his real name. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 04, 2010, 04:25:03 PM
Why is it that bitter people are less likely to actually read the Terms of Service?

And does it makes sense to have a smaller football team if budget is an issue? More football players = more students.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bb king on February 04, 2010, 07:56:02 PM
This is addressed to each individual responder to my post.

To be honest with you I couldn't care less about my writing skills. Obviously you didn't read the first of my post.

Ins major I want to thank you for your welcome to the board is a great to share with you and others about Millsaps and this league. I don't know why you would be shocked to hear the truth come out about Twhat is going on at Millsaps, it was just a matter of time before people started to talk about some of the issuses going on.

TU 268 Just for your information I have no dog in this fight. But if you are asking me if the over looked candidates were african american then yes you maybe right. That is not the only reason, these guys are good coaches and great recruiters and also put there heart and soul into building this program. I believe that if Pelch and Caffey are to be interviewed then so should this others.

I hate to tell you this but my credibility is second to none and is very high. And my statement on the reduction of minority students is fact not fantasy. I am closer to the situation than you will ever know. The reason I want this information out is because I think that a reduction will hurt or potential athletic pool.

Also for the guy who ask why they would reduce the team number, you obviously didn't read either they don't have the money in the budget to cover the over amount of kids. Do I agree with you that this doesn't make sense I do. They should be trying to get more kids.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bb king on February 04, 2010, 07:59:52 PM
By the way I am not a bitter person. I just want them to finally make some good decisions on the direction of the school.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 04, 2010, 08:27:18 PM
Mr King,

In D-III you may know that the costs run something like this.

Tuition Room Board Charge  

minus discount rate including scholarships grants etc.

plus federal and/or state aid

minus fixed administrative costs

minus fixed salary costs, especially teaching

minus fixed overhead, facilities etc.

Equal revenue.

Most schools get to this point and figure out how much they can add to the bottom line by having students fill resdient halls and cafeterias and underutilized teaching slots/seats in the classrooms to add dollars from the students.

Let's assume that every student at Millsaps brings in $30,000 hard money in tuition, room, board and fees for 1000 students.   That is $30,000,000 revenue

If fixed and variable costs are $29,800,000 for 1000 students,  then an extra 20 football players is $600,000 to the bottom line, minus what variable costs that the school will incur because of 20 more bodies on the campus.  That $600,000 is that extra money that allows more things to be done on campus.

Once you figure that out, then you start figuring out how much it is to add each sport to the school.

IMHO, the SCAC would shed some of its expenses if it were to split into 2 conferences and cut down on travel and double the AQ's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 04, 2010, 10:01:52 PM

I still think you're full of it, bbking.  I'm sure you think you're right with all your heart, but if your credibility is so great, particularly with Millsaps football, then my image of their program just went in the toilet.  Since I think you are a joke, I still can respect their program. 

Nothing you say can be taken seriously because from what you've shared with everyone here, it all comes back to race with you(and you can't write).  You are pathetic and you are damaging the very program to which you are so close.  Fortunately for Millsaps, this board isn't read by a great number of people.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on February 05, 2010, 12:45:40 AM
Quote
BB King, Nothing you say can be taken seriously because from what you've shared with everyone here, it all comes back to race with you (and you can't write).  You are pathetic and you are damaging the very program to which you are so close.  Fortunately for Millsaps, this board isn't read by a great number of people. 

You know what, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I applaud someone opening up a can of worms for once and getting things off their chest. Too many times on this board people bite their tongues because they don't want to say the wrong thing. That's what message boards are for, to talk about all that is going on and to stir up a little drama now and again. While I don't always agree with everyone, and people don't always agree with me, I truly respect everyone's opinions. Cause that's what they are, our opinions. No one should get that worked up over someone typing down their feelings on a particular topic. Heck, all of us think we're a little bigger than we really are when we're on a keyboard.

BB King, it's obvious there's a lot of stuff that's been building for you the past 3-4 years and you just let it all out in a matter of 30 minutes amidst 2-3 cold beers. Coors Light I hope.  ;) A lot of what you said should've been kept inside (prob like 75 percent), but I'm glad you put some stuff out in the open.

In response to TU2698, Millsaps does not have a football program, not yet. We've had a good run the last four years, simply because we had a strong leader in DuBose, great assistant coaches, and got a lot of players in we probably shouldn't have with some shady recruiting. We'll know after the 2010 and 2011 seasons if we have a program. If we don't find a way to go .500 the next two seasons, then I'm afraid we're back to being a football team. And yes, A LOT of people read this board, especially Millsaps supporters, but they just read and don't post.

On the SCAC topic, it needs to be split up. There are some schools who think they're better than others academically and want to be on their own. Then there are some who don't like the travel. IMHO, the SCAC will split up in the next two years because of the cost containment going in effect in 2010-11. Cutting schedules by 10 percent is just a bad, bad decision. I expect Centenary or the likes of a New Orleans to join the SCAC in the coming years, and schools like Centre, Sewanee and Colorado College to test the waters in another conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 05, 2010, 01:27:52 AM
A conference needs 7 members to sponsor an AQ.

That is the kicker.  You can add affiliates, but the SCAC has not done that in my memory.

Even UDallas women were just filling the open date in soccer, because Colorado College's women were D1, and it made a nice simple trip to play UDallas, a 70 mile trip away.

Losing Colorado College (? to the Associated Colleges of the Midwest new conference that we are hearing rumors about)? DePauw to the NCAC? And where would Sewanee go?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 05, 2010, 09:32:43 AM
Let's do a body count:

The Millsaps administration and Athletic Director Tim Wise were thrown under the bus right from the start.  Likewise with Coach Caffey and Coach Pelch when bb questioned their qualifications to be a head coach.  The admissions department at Millsaps has been painted as being racially motivated.  Now we find out that DuBose was winning in part thanks to shady recruiting.  I'm going to stop reading out of fear that the volunteer photographer will be next on the hit list.

How's that saying go?  With friends like this...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 05, 2010, 10:16:57 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 05, 2010, 09:32:43 AM
Let's do a body count:

The Millsaps administration and Athletic Director Tim Wise were thrown under the bus right from the start.  Likewise with Coach Caffey and Coach Pelch when bb questioned their qualifications to be a head coach.  The admissions department at Millsaps has been painted as being racially motivated.  Now we find out that DuBose was winning in part thanks to shady recruiting.  I'm going to stop reading out of fear that the volunteer photographer will be next on the hit list.

How's that saying go?  With friends like this...



I agree with Frank, this is getting ridiculous guys!  I know people inside the program and administration too, but I just don't see why this board should be a place to discuss some of these things. 

I agree with INS that we should be able to speak (type) freely here, but within reason.  Some of the Millsaps posters are not doing a good job of representing the school well and that is unfortunate.  There is no question that many changes are happening in Jackson right now, but there are two sides to every story.  So many things that have been said are just impossible to quantify, so why say them? 

Regardless of what has been said, Millsaps football has, is and will be a football program that I am proud to have played in, regardless of our more challenging years.  That is part of the game and all of us associated with Millsaps should be proud of where the program has come from and excited about its future.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 05, 2010, 10:47:02 AM
I think the SCAC should get bigger before contemplating dissovling the league...add Udallas to the west and Berry college to the east for starters ASAP. Ideally, you would bump up to 16 to further cut travel when Centenary comes on board in D3 in a few years, put them in the west and ? in the east. Yet, there might be a school or two leaving so the scac could remain at 14 which would  still reduce cross division travel greatly. If the scac did break up, i would guess the 8  school's- hendrix to the east would form a new league while the 3 texas school's + CC (if they didn't find a new home) would look to form a new league.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 05, 2010, 10:51:14 AM
Welcome back, Mr. Powell.  Interesting that you decided to come back with a different email address.   I figure if you're going to come out with such accusations and naming people by name that everyone should know yours.  It's only fair, Kendall.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bb king on February 05, 2010, 12:07:32 PM
My intent and goal was never to throw anyone under the bus. It was only to bring light to some of the problems that are going on and how better to help this fine instiution. The statement  on reduction was only to say that it shouldn't be based on who can pay a full amount to the school but for those who chose to be educated by some of the finest instructors in the business. I believe that if you have the desire to attended it shouldn't be based on economic reasons.

As for the ad I along with several people believe that it is time to hire a full time ad. It is difficult to ask anyone to do two jobs and be good at both.

As for the two coaches mentioned both maybe great candidates and I'm sure they would do a great job. The reason their name came up was because of post put on here. I have no problem with them being interviewed and I do think they have the right to have a chance to be the next hc. Just like I have the right to state my opinion that there are others who have been over looked.

I realize that I look like I am being against all that is good in Millsaps this is strictly not true. But I see this is not a place to discuss a variety of topics and and occasionally stir a little conversation. There seems to be a people who do not have thick skin. As one poster stated we should be able to discuss things. My one intent was to get people to ask questions and try to have a positive dialouge.

As for recruiting there was no shady recruiting at Millsaps or anywhere else in this league. These kids are bright and have a great future ahead of them.

as INS stated I would get slammed on here and I am a big boy and can take it. I probably stated to much, I just want to see this program continue to grow and move in a positive direction. My opinion on the coaching search is mine there are no darts being tossed at anyone. I truly hope that Millsaps makes a great hire. I reacted to the comments and should have been like 90% of people who read this board and kept my mouth shut instead of joining in.

If I offended anyone I do apologize.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on February 05, 2010, 02:28:03 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 05, 2010, 09:32:43 AM
Let's do a body count:

The Millsaps administration and Athletic Director Tim Wise were thrown under the bus right from the start.  Likewise with Coach Caffey and Coach Pelch when bb questioned their qualifications to be a head coach.  The admissions department at Millsaps has been painted as being racially motivated.  Now we find out that DuBose was winning in part thanks to shady recruiting. 

The SID was kinda thrown under the bus, too. And I think the volunteer photographer is fine. ;D

As far as shady recruiting....does the name Chris Jackson ring a bell? Didn't he play at like three different levels in the NCAA and only come to Millsaps for one semester and not go to class? While I was thrilled to have him on our side (especially in the 2006 championship game vs Trinity with two punt returns for TDs) that had to piss a few teams off in the league.

Ok, I'm off football for two weeks until the hire. Baseball season starts today...hopefully without the rain.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bb king on February 05, 2010, 02:40:43 PM
wasn't meant to throw sid under bus. He did a great job and he will be sorely missed at Millsaps. They should have done all the could to keep him. He is a great one and will have a great career.

Good Luck with baseball. Hope you have a great season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 05, 2010, 06:17:03 PM
QuoteYou know what, I've said it before and I'll say it again, I applaud someone opening up a can of worms for once and getting things off their chest. Too many times on this board people bite their tongues because they don't want to say the wrong thing.

You may applaud someone making idiotic statements. I don't.  There are lots of folks on this board who love to mix it up...throwing crapola up to see what sticks is something very different.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on February 05, 2010, 10:30:52 PM
Why not add Huntington & LaGrange to SCAC East
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 05, 2010, 11:19:11 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on February 05, 2010, 10:30:52 PM
Why not add Huntington & LaGrange to SCAC East

I pay an awful lot of attention to the North Coast.  It's kind of my thing considering my alma mater. 

I don't want to make this sound like it's an every year thing, but I watch those guys go through tiebreaks and other such stuff trying to figure out how to keep the Kenyon's of the world from winning the Pool A in that conference.

How do you set up a conference with more than 9 teams playing football to avoid a silly tiebreak with DePauw, Millsaps, Centre, and/or Trinity?  Maybe 3 of those end up in the same division.  Maybe once every few years you get all four playing each other. 

I think we're in a situation right now where that sorts itself out.  Putting ourselves in a situation where a playoff bid is not sorted out on the field makes me antsy in the pantsy, proverbially speaking.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 09, 2010, 03:37:08 PM
Austin College has a new football coach: http://bit.ly/a2fStk (http://bit.ly/a2fStk)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 09, 2010, 05:22:14 PM

What do the Austin faithful think of the hire? The school seemed to move quickly in making a decision and hired a guy with real familiarity to the program which would seem to me to be a couple of good signs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on February 09, 2010, 05:37:17 PM
I'm glad I came back to the board in the last few days to see the bbking stuff.
bbking, now I am wondering who you are...shoot me an e-mail at dtcutter@gmail.com
-David Cutter
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on February 09, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 09, 2010, 03:37:08 PM
Austin College has a new football coach: http://bit.ly/a2fStk (http://bit.ly/a2fStk)

Can't decide whether I'd rather be an "OreDigger" or a "Kangaroo".

Tossup.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 09, 2010, 06:19:02 PM
I can honestly say I've never heard of the Colorado School of Mines until 23 seconds ago.

Gotta tell you, I was a little overwhelmed just visiting their homepage.  Here's the "Pop Quiz" they have on on their landing page, mines.edu:
QuoteWhat disease is caused by the protist Entamoeba histolytica?

A) Malaria.

B) Sleeping sickness.

C) Amoebic dysentery.

Uhh...  I don't think this is the school for me.

EDIT: I guessed C, even though I've never heard of it, and got it correct.  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on February 09, 2010, 06:55:41 PM
I can tell you first hand that Loren Dawson is a great, great guy.  You simply won't meet a guy of higher character.  I was at his press conference today, and listening to him talk, you can see why he's such a good recruiter.  He's very passionate and it's clear he really, truly cares about his players.  Additionally, there are a bunch of kids still in the program who were recruited by Dawson before he left for the School of Mines a couple years ago.

It's a very good hire for AC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 09, 2010, 07:06:35 PM
QuoteI can tell you first hand that Loren Dawson is a great, great guy.  You simply won't meet a guy of higher character.  I was at his press conference today, and listening to him talk, you can see why he's such a good recruiter.  He's very passionate and it's clear he really, truly cares about his players.  Additionally, there are a bunch of kids still in the program who were recruited by Dawson before he left for the School of Mines a couple years ago.

It's a very good hire for AC.

Glad to hear it. Hope he comes in and does a good job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 09, 2010, 08:52:04 PM
DePauw has scheduled a 10th game...Adrian October 16.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 09, 2010, 09:01:14 PM
Like I said a couple weeks ago, I think RL would have much rather filled Week 1, but they just gave themselves a winnable in-region game.  Plus it's at home.  Can't go wrong there. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 09, 2010, 09:02:27 PM
I'm just glad they are playing 10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 10, 2010, 02:06:55 PM
QuoteLike I said a couple weeks ago, I think RL would have much rather filled Week 1, but they just gave themselves a winnable in-region game.  Plus it's at home.  Can't go wrong there. 

For sure. Would have been great to get week 1 filled and then have a bye week before the long trip to San Antonio. But the important thing is they are playing 10 regular season games which, unfortunately they didn't do last season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on February 10, 2010, 03:19:48 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on February 09, 2010, 06:04:40 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 09, 2010, 03:37:08 PM
Austin College has a new football coach: http://bit.ly/a2fStk (http://bit.ly/a2fStk)

Can't decide whether I'd rather be an "OreDigger" or a "Kangaroo".

Tossup.   ;D

Kangaroo without question.  Mining is dangerous.  Kangaroos are expert pugilists and have that pouch...how handy would that thing be?   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: rooski on February 10, 2010, 08:45:37 PM
Quote from: jekelish on February 09, 2010, 06:55:41 PM
I can tell you first hand that Loren Dawson is a great, great guy.  You simply won't meet a guy of higher character.  I was at his press conference today, and listening to him talk, you can see why he's such a good recruiter.  He's very passionate and it's clear he really, truly cares about his players.  Additionally, there are a bunch of kids still in the program who were recruited by Dawson before he left for the School of Mines a couple years ago.

It's a very good hire for AC.

Obviously do not know him as well as Jekelish would, but I would echo and emphasize his sentiment regarding Coach Dawsons "character", and "passion". I would also add "familiarity" as a factor. Clearly he knows and loves Austin College and DIII football. He has a relevant track record. I do not believe the team will loose any ground and in fact may find a spark in this hire.

Nice work by Tim Millerick and the admin! Am eager to hear "roocru's" assesment...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on February 11, 2010, 12:15:04 PM
http://www.millsaps.edu/alumni_friends/enewsletter/2010-02/robert_pearigen.html

Millsaps names its new president...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 11, 2010, 01:05:26 PM
A lot of people are excited about this Presidential pick, myself included.

Regarding the next football coach, I'm under the impression that the winter storms have cause travel problems and delayed some of the interviews.  Of course, I'm very much on the outside when it comes to getting inside information so I have no idea regarding a time table for naming the new coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on February 11, 2010, 06:30:43 PM
The expected hire date is February 15 (I posted that a few weeks back) for the new head football coach at Millsaps. Like you said, the weather might cause some more problems. Aaron Pelch for one who's flying in from the West Coast to Jackson where we're supposed to have almost 3 inches of snow tonight alone.

Weather sucks. This has already been a two month process. I just want to know who we get.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RedDevil4Life on February 12, 2010, 07:34:59 AM
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Vote for Rare Disease Champion:

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on February 15, 2010, 12:53:32 PM
I was in Sherman this past weekend for the event celebrating 100 Years of Austin College Basketball.  Great event and I got to see a lot of old friends who played basketball at AC around the time I was playing football.  ;D

While there I reintroduced myself to Coach Dawson on Friday night.  Had a great conversation with him and got to listen in on a few brief conversations with returning players.  On Saturday morning, I was able to listen in on a recruiting preview weekend meeting with Coach Dawson and 30-35 recruits and the players who were showing them around.  Coach Dawson even asked me to speak to the group briefly on my experiences at AC and what the school meant to me. I can only hope that my ramblings did not diminish the powerful message Coach Dawson gave to those recruits.  ::)  I was very impressed with both our meeting on Friday night and with the message he delivered to the recruits.  In my opinion, he said all the right things in a powerful and moving way.

He has definitely hit the ground running and is making his mark on the process.  As mentioned earlier by others, I think his familiarity with the uniqueness of Austin College will stand him in good stead during this getting off the ground process.  After speaking to some involved with the hiring process, he was selected from an excellent pool of applicants and I think his previous experience with AC was a contributing factor to his being hired and I fully agree with the choice!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on February 17, 2010, 05:05:11 PM
Austin College has new offensive coordinator.

Hawsey Named 'Roos Offensive Coordinator

SHERMAN, Texas - Just a week after getting a new head coach, the Austin College football team has found its new offensive coordinator as school officials have announced that AC graduate Max Hawsey will take over the play calling duties for the 2010 season. Hawsey was previously the head coach at Grinnell College in 2008 and 2009.

Hawsey is a 1996 graduate of Austin College and later earned his masters degree from AC in 1998, and after serving as an assistant for the 'Roos from 1996 to 2002 was named the offensive coordinator at Colorado College, where he coached through the 2007 season. Hawsey was named the head coach at Grinnell in 2008, and also served as the team's strength and conditioning coach.

"I am ecstatic to have someone of Max's caliber and experience come back to the Austin College football program and lead the offensive attack," said vice president of student affairs and athletics Tim Millerick. "Max was an outstanding player here who has built an equally impressive coaching record over the last few years. Max brings great NCAA Division III experience from two national liberal arts college to our program, and his proven track record as a recruiter for such institutions will be a tremendous asset to Austin College. It is a special opportunity to have him join Coach Loren Dawson at this time in our program's history."

While at Colorado College, Hawsey led the team to tremendous offensive improvements and in his five seasons the Tigers set 15 new records, including passing and rushing records. In each of his final two seasons at Colorado College, Hawsey's offenses averaged better than 400 yards and 30 points per game. He also coached two All-Americans and numerous All-Conference performers while at Colorado College.

"Coach Hawsey is a talented and experienced NCAA Division III coordinator and recruiter who will improve our program immediately," said head coach Loren Dawson. "More importantly, Max is an Austin College Man who has a passion for this wonderful place that will be evident in how he interacts with our players and recruits."

Hawsey was also a standout student-athlete while at Austin College, earning First Team All-Conference accolades twice as well as being named a Second Team All-American at outside linebacker as a senior, when he led the nation in sacks. Hawsey also earned Austin College's Pete Cawthon Award as the school's outstanding male athlete during his senior year.

In addition to his coaching and playing experience, Hawsey also served as an assistant professor of physical education at Grinnell and as a physical fitness coordinator and instructor at Austin College. Additionally, Hawsey is a member of both the American Football Coaches Association and the National Strength and Conditioning Association.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on February 19, 2010, 10:34:23 AM
Just wondering if Millsaps is ever going to name a head football coach?  Didn't Coach DuBose leave December 15th or so?  With it being over two months without a head coach I can only imagine that recruiting and morale is taking a major hit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 20, 2010, 08:16:48 PM
It's a sad day for DePauw Athletics.  Former A.D. & Coach Ted Katula has died (http://www.depauw.edu/ath/news.asp?id=24874) at the age of 78.  He was a long time football assistant under Tom Mont & head golf coach for a number of years.  The Katman was one of those really, really good guys who took time to care about people (like kids who called games on the radio 20 years after he retired from the school) when he certainly didn't have to.  He also might have been the biggest DePauw fan you'll be likely to find anywhere.  Very sad.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 21, 2010, 09:20:57 AM
We had a man like that when I was at Millsaps, Coach James Montgomery better known as "Coach Monty", and he was one of the most influential men in my life.  Partially because of things he taught directly, but mostly because of things he taught simply by the way he lived his life.

Men and women like Coach Katula and Coach Monty are getting harder and harder to find and I understand what a great loss this must be for the DePauw community.  I'm sorry to hear about the loss.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 21, 2010, 10:21:43 AM
QuoteIt's a sad day for DePauw Athletics.  Former A.D. & Coach Ted Katula has died at the age of 78.  He was a long time football assistant under Tom Mont & head golf coach for a number of years.  The Katman was one of those really, really good guys who took time to care about people (like kids who called games on the radio 20 years after he retired from the school) when he certainly didn't have to.  He also might have been the biggest DePauw fan you'll be likely to find anywhere.  Very sad.

Well said.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 23, 2010, 06:57:22 PM

Michael Pointer's piece on Ted Katula in Monday's Indianapolis Star.

http://www.indystar.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=20102230349
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2010, 07:40:01 PM
Been listening to the Millsaps baseball game this evening.  The announcer said Millsaps would be announcing the new head football coach tomorrow.  That's as much as I know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 23, 2010, 07:53:52 PM
QuoteBeen listening to the Millsaps baseball game this evening.  The announcer said Millsaps would be announcing the new head football coach tomorrow.  That's as much as I know.

OK, forget about the head coaching announcement. I am trying to come to grips with the fact that I am staring at a dark, cold, wintry mix of snow and rain...and you are listening to baseball!!!! I am envious.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2010, 10:59:19 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 23, 2010, 07:53:52 PM
QuoteBeen listening to the Millsaps baseball game this evening.  The announcer said Millsaps would be announcing the new head football coach tomorrow.  That's as much as I know.

OK, forget about the head coaching announcement. I am trying to come to grips with the fact that I am staring at a dark, cold, wintry mix of snow and rain...and you are listening to baseball!!!! I am envious.  ;)


I know this won't help much, but we have a winter mix in the forecast this evening and tomorrow (but nothing is expect to stick).  This has been the worst weather for Millsaps baseball that I can remember, but admittedly it is a lot better than the things our conference foes from the north have to deal with to start the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 24, 2010, 01:08:00 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on February 23, 2010, 07:53:52 PM
QuoteBeen listening to the Millsaps baseball game this evening.  The announcer said Millsaps would be announcing the new head football coach tomorrow.  That's as much as I know.

OK, forget about the head coaching announcement. I am trying to come to grips with the fact that I am staring at a dark, cold, wintry mix of snow and rain...and you are listening to baseball!!!! I am envious.  ;)

Hey, DePauw didn't get their opener snowed out for the first time in a long time. They split 4. Of course, they had to go to Maryville to play 'em.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 24, 2010, 05:22:44 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on February 23, 2010, 07:40:01 PM
Been listening to the Millsaps baseball game this evening.  The announcer said Millsaps would be announcing the new head football coach tomorrow.  That's as much as I know.

Frank, it's getting a bit late, any updates?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 24, 2010, 06:17:24 PM
I've been checking the Millsaps website and an employee at Millsaps said they would let me know if any information went out via campus email.  So far there's been no news.  Maybe tomorrow will be the day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 25, 2010, 08:39:58 AM
Nothing on the Millsaps website to start off the day.  I know this is starting to feel like that cartoon strip with Lucy holding the football and Charlie Brown hoping this might be the one time when Lucy doesn't pull the ball away at the last second.  Like Charlie Brown, I start this day thinking that it will be the day that Millsaps announces the new coach.

Many times I've said that I'm not much of an insider when it comes to Millsaps athletics.  However, sometimes I hear things from reliable sources.  While I don't know who will be the pick, I've heard enough about those in the running to feel confident that Millsaps will be in good hands next season.  And whoever that person will be, they are going to have to be sharp right from the start.  The 7 SCAC opponents certainly provide a challenge, especially with road trips to Trinity and Cente, and the non-conference games are MS College and Huntingdon.  There aren't many breathers on a schedule like that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on February 25, 2010, 09:23:33 AM
The official announcement from Millsaps on the new head football coach will be on Monday, March 1 at 9 a.m.

The only reason it wasn't sooner is because Tim Wise is too worried about his basketball team this weekend over the entire athletic program. Which is understandable, but is why we need a full-time AD.

No clue who we'll get, but my head says Aaron Pelch, former associate head coach who was with the Oakland Raiders last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 25, 2010, 09:42:51 AM
I thought that very thing last night. How the heck is your A.D. going to have a football presser in the middle of this huge bball tourney that he has to coach in and is being run by an SID who hasn't done it before. That'll make for some busy days, there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on February 25, 2010, 09:57:29 AM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on February 25, 2010, 09:42:51 AM
I thought that very thing last night. How the heck is your A.D. going to have a football presser in the middle of this huge bball tourney that he has to coach in and is being run by an SID who hasn't done it before. That'll make for some busy days, there.

You got that right, on both thoughts. Rumor is too, that the 2011 SCAC Tournament is back here in Jackson (as of now). After this go around, that will probably tell the tale. If it stinks, no way. But if it comes together as a good site(s), then it will be back here next year. We shall see.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on February 25, 2010, 10:16:48 AM
I can't imagine it not going well. While it's a busy few days, it's not exactly rocket science to put it on. Rhodes did so well all those years when the Asst. A.D. is their men's coach and the SID is their men's coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 25, 2010, 10:29:36 AM
Here's to a successful tournament! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on February 25, 2010, 04:56:29 PM
from footballscoop,com

Millsaps College: Our sources just told us that Oakland Raiders assistant special teams coach Aaron Pelch has accepted the head coaching job at Millsaps College (MS).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on February 25, 2010, 05:52:05 PM
Quotefrom footballscoop,com

Millsaps College: Our sources just told us that Oakland Raiders assistant special teams coach Aaron Pelch has accepted the head coaching job at Millsaps College (MS).

footballscoop is great...they get great information and really are a scoop machine...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on February 25, 2010, 05:56:13 PM
Well he is available...http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl (http://www.kffl.com/team/28/nfl)

Raiders | Contracts for three assistants not renewed
Sat, 23 Jan 2010 13:58:23 -0800

Steve Corkran, of The Oakland Tribune, reports the Oakland Raiders have not renewed the contracts of assistant special teams coordinator Aaron Pelch, offensive quality control coach Rich Scangarello and defensive quality control coach Bert Leone.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: peaster68 on February 25, 2010, 06:01:59 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on February 25, 2010, 04:56:29 PM
from footballscoop,com

Millsaps College: Our sources just told us that Oakland Raiders assistant special teams coach Aaron Pelch has accepted the head coaching job at Millsaps College (MS).

Anyone got any info on this guy???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on February 25, 2010, 11:35:34 PM
Quote

Anyone got any info on this guy???

I'm guessing you haven't followed Millsaps before this year. He was our associate head coach and special teams coach from 2006-08 and helped us win three straight SCAC Special Teams Players of the Year. Not to mention three straight SCAC Championships. He'll be a good fit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: peaster68 on February 26, 2010, 12:13:00 AM
Quote from: INS_Major on February 25, 2010, 11:35:34 PM
Quote

Anyone got any info on this guy???

I'm guessing you haven't followed Millsaps before this year. He was our associate head coach and special teams coach from 2006-08 and helped us win three straight SCAC Special Teams Players of the Year. Not to mention three straight SCAC Championships. He'll be a good fit.

Yeah I dont follow Millsaps football. Just interested in who they hire.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on February 26, 2010, 09:46:58 AM
Johnny, tell him what he's won.....

Another negative karma point! Yes! Now -9 and counting!

I think the biggest turnaround in D3message board history is HistoryMajor. I remember one time seeing his total at -15 or something. And now it's at +4? Very interesting. That's quite a turnaround and should be documented somewhere if I can make a run back into the plus side.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 26, 2010, 10:01:00 AM
Trinity has posted their 2010 football schedule (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2009-10/schedule) - ten D3 games.  The non-conference match-ups are home vs. Howard Payne to open the season and at Texas Lutheran and Huntingdon later in the year.

Unlike last season, there are an equal number of home and away games, but after three opening home games  the team will be on the road for five of the remaining seven.   Millsaps (week 4) and DePauw (week 8) will be making the trip to SA in 2010.  

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 26, 2010, 06:46:42 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity's 2010 Football Schedule)


Ron,  I'm a long-time San Antonio resident, but still don't consider Seguin a road-trip (or very much of one--36 miles from my front door).  Also, you did not mention that the Tigers' bye week is Week 2 (Sept. 11th).


                                                                             :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on March 01, 2010, 10:37:27 AM
For those of you interested in the new Millsaps head coach, Aaron Pelch, I've gotten word that they will stream the hiring live on the webcast at 3 p.m. CST. The link is below.

http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College (http://www.sportsnation360.com/schools/webcast/Millsaps-College)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on March 01, 2010, 04:04:04 PM
Not sure that it is streaming.  Anyone getting anything?  Anyone?  Anyone.  Bueller?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on March 01, 2010, 04:04:57 PM
Spoke too soon.  Works now.  I'll update with some comments after the press conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FerricMajor82 on March 01, 2010, 04:39:44 PM
Coach Pelch's conference just ended.  Here are a few notes:
-"Being a head coach has always been a dream of mine."  Commented that the thought it was happening a lot sooner than he thought it would.
-Spoke with DuBose about the job.  Coach D told him he thought it was a great job and a place that you could change kids' lives.
-Coach Pelch didn't think the hiring process was too lengthy, but thought it was appropriate considering the scope of the hire, and the success of the program recently.  Needed to find the right fit.
-"Not a lot of great jobs out there, you have to make them great.  That is not the case with Millsaps.  The foundation is already here to win and be very successful."

As far as the direction of the program:
"My job...is to come in and continue the growth...and to put Millsaps on the map nationally."
Wants football players to "win on the football field, win in the classroom...leave with a great degree, and be successful."
"Our players will be winners, and winners in all that they do."

Wants to have the best staff in America:  Going to put together a staff of a bunch of young, hungry, energetic men.  
"We want this pace to reach its potential."

Coach Pelch commented that he thought Millsaps was the "best kept secret in the South," and he plans to change that through the football team, and former players/current players getting the word out on what a great school/program it is.

When asked what he brings to the table:
"I understand the DIII model, athletes, work load, and their committment.  I know how to recruit" and we will continue to be successful.

When asked about the pressure to win:
"The pressure to win will only push him and his staff further."

After asking Coach DuBose for some advice about the job Coach DuBose had this to say:
"You don't have to be me."


That was pretty much it.  It lasted about 15 minutes.  He said they had a team meeting after the press conference to discuss scheduling, and the start of spring practice (March 22).  He said they have a lot of work to do, and would mostly be scheduling, planning, recruiting, etc.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2010, 12:46:16 PM
Hey Wes A, how long has DPU had an indoor track facility?  See DPU is hosting the NCAAs there next week, congrats.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2010, 01:28:38 PM
And on another note:  the SCAC has just announced the mid-winter update to the President's Trophy race (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/presidents_trophy_results) with results as follows:

1. DePauw University         540
2. Centre College         480
3. Trinity University         452.5
4. Rhodes College         365
5. Sewanee-The University of the South         307.5
6. Colorado College         267.5
6. Southwestern University         267.5
8. Hendrix College         262.5
9. Austin College         222.5
10. Millsaps College         145
11. Oglethorpe University         120  

One issue I have had for a while with the way the SCAC calculates the standings is that a team school gets as many points (55) for a sport played by five teams as one played by all 11 schools currently eligible for the championship.  Using the information published on this page, I put together a spreadsheet to modify the results so that the winning team gets 5 points for each competing school.   Football is thus awarded 35 points (with only seven teams competing), whereas both men's and women's basketball, with all schools competing, are each awarded 55.  It doesn't change the results dramatically, but does have the effect of making the points awarded more equitable considering the increased level of competition in the more popular sports.

If my calculations are correct, a 'competition-normalized' current standing would look like this:

1.  DePauw 460
2.  Trinity 402.5
3.  Centre 400
4.  Rhodes 285
5.  Colorado College 242.5
6.  Southwestern 237.5
7.  Sewanee 227.5
8.  Hendrix 202.5
9.  Austin 177.5
10.  Millsaps 115
11.  Oglethorpe 110

Just some fun playing with numbers.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 03, 2010, 01:55:53 PM
QuoteHey Wes A, how long has DPU had an indoor track facility?  See DPU is hosting the NCAAs there next week, congrats.

Probably a decade...and I know DePauw hosted a DIII T & F National Championship not long after it opened. You need to get to Greencastle more often, Ron.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 03, 2010, 02:34:52 PM
It really IS beautiful this time of year... ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2010, 03:05:23 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 03, 2010, 01:55:53 PM
QuoteHey Wes A, how long has DPU had an indoor track facility?  See DPU is hosting the NCAAs there next week, congrats.

Probably a decade...and I know DePauw hosted a DIII T & F National Championship not long after it opened. You need to get to Greencastle more often, Ron.  ;)

I really would like to have a chance to visit there some day; when I win the lottery, I fully intend to visit all the SCAC schools before football season starts and do some kind of writeup.  Given my current success rate with the lottery, expect to see me in 2872.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 03, 2010, 03:58:28 PM
QuoteI really would like to have a chance to visit there some day; when I win the lottery, I fully intend to visit all the SCAC schools before football season starts and do some kind of writeup.  Given my current success rate with the lottery, expect to see me in 2872.   

Great! I hope you get to do that...the question is, what will the SCAC look like in future years? I for one hope the league, including DePauw, stays together.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 03, 2010, 04:21:02 PM
It's a little bit after the fact, but I wanted to make a comment on the hiring of Coach Pelch.  When Coach DuBose resigned, one of my first thoughts was that Coach Pelch would have been a natural to take over if he was still coaching at Millsaps.  Maybe there still would have been a 3 month search process, maybe not, but there's no doubt in my mind that Coach Pelch would have been viewed as the leading candidate from the start if he had not gone to the Oakland Raiders.

I like Coach Pelch, but I have no idea about how he'll do as the head coach at Millsaps. I'm just not close enough to the program or knowledgeable enough to give a valid opinion.  I certainly hope that he is the right person for the job but that's something we'll find out in a couple of years.

What I do know is that Coach Pelch inherited a better situation than Coach DuBose, but he also inherited a more difficult SCAC environment.  It seems like the success of Millsaps has inspired others.  For years, SCAC football was Trinity, DePauw, and a team here and there who were good enough to pull off an upset every so often.  Now look at the league:  Trinity and DePauw are still going to be in the hunt each year.  Centre has a lot of talent and a great schedule this year.  Austin has become a very tough opponent.  And then there's BSC, either this year or next.  And who knows, give Sewanee and Rhodes a few years and maybe they come out of nowhere like Millsaps did in 2006.

Doing what Trinity did with their long string of championships or even winning 4 straight like Millsaps has done will be tough to do in the future.  Regardless of who is the coach, the Millsaps program will have to take a step up to replicate the success of the last 4 years.  Success in the SCAC is getting to be more difficult to come by in recent years.  I look forward to seeing how Coach Pelch, his staff, and the Millsaps players meet the challenge of the 2010 season.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 04, 2010, 10:17:24 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on March 03, 2010, 03:58:28 PM

Great! I hope you get to do that...the question is, what will the SCAC look like in future years? I for one hope the league, including DePauw, stays together.

Agreed.  I like the mix we have in the conference, even if DPU keeps winning the President's Trophy.   ;)  

Speaking of which, D. Dwayne Hanberry at the SCAC office was kind enough to send me a note saying that the SCAC executive council recently met and decided to change the future scoring system to something very similar to the proposal in my post above.  To avoid confusion, there won't be a formal announcement until the summer - but this is the last year for the current system.    



<tongue-in-cheek>
To think I have such power.  Maybe I should post something about a certain football facility again.
</tongue-in-cheek>
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 04, 2010, 02:39:46 PM


Quote<tongue-in-cheek>
To think I have such power.  Maybe I should post something about a certain football facility again.
</tongue-in-cheek>

That's beautiful...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 04, 2010, 10:19:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2010, 01:28:38 PM
And on another note:  the SCAC has just announced the mid-winter update to the President's Trophy race (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/presidents_trophy_results) with results as follows:

1. DePauw University         540
2. Centre College         480
3. Trinity University         452.5
4. Rhodes College         365
5. Sewanee-The University of the South         307.5
6. Colorado College         267.5
6. Southwestern University         267.5
8. Hendrix College         262.5
9. Austin College         222.5
10. Millsaps College         145
11. Oglethorpe University         120  

One issue I have had for a while with the way the SCAC calculates the standings is that a team school gets as many points (55) for a sport played by five teams as one played by all 11 schools currently eligible for the championship.  Using the information published on this page, I put together a spreadsheet to modify the results so that the winning team gets 5 points for each competing school.   Football is thus awarded 35 points (with only seven teams competing), whereas both men's and women's basketball, with all schools competing, are each awarded 55.  It doesn't change the results dramatically, but does have the effect of making the points awarded more equitable considering the increased level of competition in the more popular sports.

If my calculations are correct, a 'competition-normalized' current standing would look like this:

1.  DePauw 460
2.  Trinity 402.5
3.  Centre 400
4.  Rhodes 285
5.  Colorado College 242.5
6.  Southwestern 237.5
7.  Sewanee 227.5
8.  Hendrix 202.5
9.  Austin 177.5
10.  Millsaps 115
11.  Oglethorpe 110

Just some fun playing with numbers.  :)
Yes and for the Directors' Cup, I would like to see the Directors' Cup tallies treated to a "Participation Co-efficient".

That is, the scoring of the Directors' Cup would be multiplied by the percentage of D-III schools that participate in that sport.  This would be a very "PC" thing to do to reflect the quality of the effort for all athletes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 415 on March 05, 2010, 02:24:19 PM
Anyone know if Coach Pelch will retain the current staff already in place at Millsaps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bb king on March 05, 2010, 04:34:52 PM
To answer your question only one coach was kept. He is a millsaps grad. From info I have they will all be paid through end of month.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on March 05, 2010, 10:53:37 PM
Millsaps staff hires from footballscoop.com

Millsaps College (MS): We are hearing that former Oakland Raiders offensive quality control Rich Scangarello accepted the offensive coordinator job at Millsaps.  Our source also tells us that Christian Life Academy (Baton Rouge, LA) assistant Jason McClendon accepted the running backs job.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 06, 2010, 04:04:36 AM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on March 03, 2010, 04:21:02 PM
It's a little bit after the fact, but I wanted to make a comment on the hiring of Coach Pelch.  When Coach DuBose resigned, one of my first thoughts was that Coach Pelch would have been a natural to take over if he was still coaching at Millsaps.  Maybe there still would have been a 3 month search process, maybe not, but there's no doubt in my mind that Coach Pelch would have been viewed as the leading candidate from the start if he had not gone to the Oakland Raiders.

I like Coach Pelch, but I have no idea about how he'll do as the head coach at Millsaps. I'm just not close enough to the program or knowledgeable enough to give a valid opinion.  I certainly hope that he is the right person for the job but that's something we'll find out in a couple of years.

What I do know is that Coach Pelch inherited a better situation than Coach DuBose, but he also inherited a more difficult SCAC environment.  It seems like the success of Millsaps has inspired others.  For years, SCAC football was Trinity, DePauw, and a team here and there who were good enough to pull off an upset every so often.  Now look at the league:  Trinity and DePauw are still going to be in the hunt each year.  Centre has a lot of talent and a great schedule this year.  Austin has become a very tough opponent.  And then there's BSC, either this year or next.  And who knows, give Sewanee and Rhodes a few years and maybe they come out of nowhere like Millsaps did in 2006.

Doing what Trinity did with their long string of championships or even winning 4 straight like Millsaps has done will be tough to do in the future.  Regardless of who is the coach, the Millsaps program will have to take a step up to replicate the success of the last 4 years.  Success in the SCAC is getting to be more difficult to come by in recent years.  I look forward to seeing how Coach Pelch, his staff, and the Millsaps players meet the challenge of the 2010 season.  

Howdy boys.  I'm personally glad to see Dubose leave.  He had our number.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on March 07, 2010, 12:25:57 AM
Does this mean that Millsaps will be running a different offense?  I think that will be a mistake.  They have been very effective on that side of the ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 07, 2010, 12:43:36 PM
Quote from: 33Belly on March 07, 2010, 12:25:57 AM
Does this mean that Millsaps will be running a different offense?  I think that will be a mistake.  They have been very effective on that side of the ball.

Here's the 2008 bio on Rich Scangarello from the UC Davis media guide:

Formerly an offensive assistant and quarterbacks coach at UC Davis,
Rich Scangarello returned to the program in 2004 to mentor the receiving
corps. In 2008, he will return to coaching quarterbacks and will
assume the duties of co-offensive coordinator.

Scangarello brings an astute command of the West Coast offense,
sharpened by his experience at all levels of collegiate football. His role
has now been expanded to that of passing game coordinator and professional
football liaison.

He previously coached with the Aggie program in 1998 and 1999,
during which time he worked with two Harlon Hill Trophy finalists and
eventual NFL draft picks, Kevin Daft and J.T. O'Sullivan.

Scangarello subsequently served a year as an offensive graduate assistant
at Idaho, where he coached both quarterbacks and receivers. He
left Moscow to take a post as offensive coordinator at Carleton College
in Northfield, Minn.

Scangarello then returned to Idaho in 2002 to reprise his role as
quarterbacks coach. For two seasons, Scangarello's protegé, Brian Lindgren,
ranked among the top passers in Division I-A.

A native of Roseville, Calif. and a 1990 graduate of Oakmont HS,
Scangarello graduated from Sacramento State in 1996 with a degree in
business administration.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on March 07, 2010, 08:57:37 PM
I guess that they are changing their offense then.  I think that there might be a little changing of the guard next year in the SCAC.  With all of the changes I don't see Millsaps being in the upper echelon of the conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 07, 2010, 09:50:45 PM
Time will tell on how Millsaps fares in the 2010 season.  I happen to like the assistant coaches that I knew from last season and it would have been fine with me if the entire staff had been kept intact.  However, I can also understand the logic of bringing in mostly new people to avoid the potential problems of hearing "but this is how we have done it in the past so why should we change now".

This Rich Scangarello sounds like he knows a thing or two about offensive, especially the passing game.  Millsaps happens to be loaded with talented young quarterbacks and gifted receivers.  My guess is that Scangarello might be able to figure out a scheme that works.  And my guess is that guys like Will Hawkins and Kevin Peters are going to be outstanding regardless of who comes in as the defensive coordinator. 

Will Millsaps win the SCAC with all these coaching changes?  I don't know.  I suspect Centre would  be the preseason pick in 2010 and that would have been the same even if DuBose was still at Millsaps.  After all, Centre hosts Millsaps, Trinity, and DePauw in 2010, the same formula DePauw used to get the AQ in 2009.  That gives Centre a nice edge in a very balanced league. 

Sure, things will be different at Millsaps next year, but different doesn't automatically mean worse.  It might be a little early in the season to predict a second tier finish for the Majors in 2010.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 08, 2010, 10:20:04 AM
Any idea on the Head coache's salary? i would be a stark comparison to list the salaries of scac coaches and compare them to the big 10 or sec- heck grad assistants probably make more money at those school's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on March 08, 2010, 02:23:49 PM
Quote from: 33Belly on March 07, 2010, 12:25:57 AM
Does this mean that Millsaps will be running a different offense?  I think that will be a mistake.  They have been very effective on that side of the ball.

I'm not sure about this.  The rest of the field has regressed, too.  DePauw will try to replace the best player in their program's history.  Centre has just Conliffe at QB and they lose their #1 receiver.  Trinity still needs to figure out if Davidson is their QB or not.

There's a LOT of questions in this conference.  Bringing in coaches who were in the NFL is certainly a leg up over a lot of places in this conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 08, 2010, 07:58:41 PM
QuoteThere's a LOT of questions in this conference.  Bringing in coaches who were in the NFL is certainly a leg up over a lot of places in this conference.

I think that's right and why this season should be an interesting one in the SCAC. And yeah, I've gotta belive that bringing in a head coach (and assistants) with NFL experience---and a Millsaps backgroud---is a real plus...I think Millsaps will be just fine this fall. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Patriot_Pride on March 09, 2010, 03:58:12 AM
Quote
I think that's right and why this season should be an interesting one in the SCAC. And yeah, I've gotta belive that bringing in a head coach (and assistants) with NFL experience---and a Millsaps backgroud---is a real plus...I think Millsaps will be just fine this fall. 

Ya'll are reading way too much into coach Pelch being in the NFL. He was there for one season after three previous with Millsaps. Sure, he'll have that ONE year of experience there and I'm sure will bring some different stuff to the table, but everyone is talking like he was an NFL veteran or something.

I'm not sure why he didn't keep some select coaches, but I'm sure he has his reasons and I respect that. I still just don't see Millsaps being a contender next year (and I don't care that the season doesn't start for 5 months), especially after letting the OC, OL, RB, DB and DL coaches go who really meant a LOT to the program and recruited their butts off.

As far as salary goes, I'm not sure who makes what. But what I do know is that Millsaps will be going from 8 to 4 coaches and that will be a huge change. Coach Pelch will do a good job recruiting because he knows the area and was there from 2006-08, but that is where the other assistants really came in handy before. Chopping that in half from 8 to 4 will be a challenge. I'd say Millsaps' roster drops from 120 to 80 or so next year when it's all said and done.

We're down to 179 days and counting til' kickoff....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2010, 11:56:44 AM
INS, have to think that Millsaps is still going to have the great majority of kids (and talent) that was recruited by the DuBose gang - if so, the Majors should remain a very strong contender next year.

And the thing about having someone with NFL background as your HC ... that is going to attract kids who might not otherwise consider a little school in Jackson, just like having a former D-I coach helped attract some kids in the past.  Obviously Coach Pelch and his new staff have work in front of them to maintain the program at the standards that Coach DuBose established, but the task is made easier by the high expectations the players have themselves after the success of the past few seasons.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on March 10, 2010, 10:26:25 AM
Sewanee staff addition

http://sewaneetigers.com/news/2010/3/10/FB_0310104733.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on March 10, 2010, 11:06:04 AM
Millsaps has added a DIII team as its 10th game on its 2010 schedule.  While the Belhaven game is nice due to location, adding a team like LaGrange should be a nice boost to at large possibilities for the Majors.  The Belhaven game never counted towards at large and LaGrange gives Millsaps an in-region game.  I am sure LaGrange would love a little payback for the first round playoff game two years ago in Jackson.  This is a great move by the school and Mississippi College, LaGrange and Huntingdon should be a great non-conference slate for the Majors, but they will have their work cut out for them.

http://gomajors.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=82&
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2010, 11:30:11 AM
Great job on getting the game with LaGrange.  Belhaven makes sense from a community perspective, and it is easy on the budget and no missed class time.

The games versus Belhaven, Mississppi College. LaCollege and Huntingdon are valuable.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on March 10, 2010, 12:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2010, 11:30:11 AM
Great job on getting the game with LaGrange.  Belhaven makes sense from a community perspective, and it is easy on the budget and no missed class time.

The games versus Belhaven, Mississppi College. LaCollege and Huntingdon are valuable.

Ralph,

Sorry, my post might be misleading...Millsaps is not playing Belhaven this year, but has replaced that game with LaGrange and has Huntingdon on the schedule for the spot formerly reserved for Colorado College, so a 10 game slate of all DIII playing schools...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2010, 12:46:32 PM
Quote from: exmajor on March 10, 2010, 12:44:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 10, 2010, 11:30:11 AM
Great job on getting the game with LaGrange.  Belhaven makes sense from a community perspective, and it is easy on the budget and no missed class time.

The games versus Belhaven, Mississppi College. LaCollege and Huntingdon are valuable.

Ralph,

Sorry, my post might be misleading...Millsaps is not playing Belhaven this year, but has replaced that game with LaGrange and has Huntingdon on the schedule for the spot formerly reserved for Colorado College, so a 10 game slate of all DIII playing schools...
Sorry, I did not go to the hyperlink.
That is even better.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on March 16, 2010, 10:43:56 PM
Well, it has been 2 weeks....any more comments on Coach Pelch or the new assistants?   Changes to a West Coast and probably less 'shotgun' seems to be headed our way at MC and the new defensive coordinator is said to be a ball of fire.  I can't wait for the action to start..........
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on March 16, 2010, 11:40:47 PM
With all of those changes I would say that Millsaps will be a .500 ball club next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 17, 2010, 01:07:45 PM
Based on the last season, it might very well be that Millsaps is a .500 team next season.  After all, Millsaps was 7-3 in 2009 and it was somewhat of a fluke that they didn't lose to Austin to go 6-4.  Considering that Chris Graves has graduated and no backup was really developed in 2009, there would be question marks about the offense this season regardless of the coaching staff.  Plus, keep in mind that someone needs to fix the problem of falling behind by 14 or more points when playing on the road--that happened last year in all of the road games except for Sewanee.

So, the new staff isn't exactly inheriting a program that was hitting on all cylinders, plus they seem to have a tougher schedule.  Road trips to Centre, Trinity and BSC and a home game with DePauw compared to the opposite in 2009.  A road trip to LaGrange instead of the local game with Belhaven. 

Considering the tougher schedule, the question mark at QB, the lost time on recruiting during the search for the head coach--it's not like anyone should be expecting an undefeated season as the norm.  To be honest, another SCAC Championship in 2010 would be quite an accomplishment for any coaching staff.  It will be interesting to see if this coaching staff can pull it off.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on March 19, 2010, 07:00:28 PM
Financial aid packages coming out...anybody have scoop on recruiting successes/frustrations?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on March 23, 2010, 12:24:14 AM
Spring training starting in San Antonio...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on March 25, 2010, 10:57:15 AM
Wanted to pass along the sad news that long time Millsaps football coach Tommy Ranager passed away this week.  Coach Ranager served as an assistant to Harper Davis for 25 years and was the head coach for 7 years after Harper retired.  Coach Ranager was also the head baseball coach for 19 years and the football field house is named in his honor.

More info can be found at these links:

Millsaps Website:  http://www.millsaps.edu/news_events/long-time_millsaps_coach_remembered_for_impact_on_students_lives.php

Newspaper Obituary:  http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/clarionledger/obituary.aspx?n=tommy-l-ranager&pid=141074221
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on March 30, 2010, 05:39:28 PM
David Norman assumes Role of Athletic Director at Austin College

http://www.austincollege.edu/NewsDetail.asp?NewsID=2235&ItemID=7575
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on March 31, 2010, 11:17:46 AM
With the semester coming to an end what is the mood of Spring practice across the campuses?  Everyone is probably optimistic, but who will be the front runners to win the conference next year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 31, 2010, 01:42:59 PM
Quote from: 33Belly on March 31, 2010, 11:17:46 AM
With the semester coming to an end what is the mood of Spring practice across the campuses?  Everyone is probably optimistic, but who will be the front runners to win the conference next year?

Just going by what we saw last year and what they're bringing back, DePauw has to be the favorite at this point.   The usual players (Trinity, Millsaps) have questions, either due to losses on the field or on the sideline.  Austin is probably going to step back with their coach (and his North Texas recruiting connections) leaving; Centre has the favorable schedule with the big three (DU, TU, MC) at home but lose something like 23 seniors; B-SC is hard to figure, Rhodes is too, and then there's poor Sewanee.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 31, 2010, 07:28:40 PM
Is anyone hearing anything about Hendrix?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 01, 2010, 12:29:54 AM
Nope.  Nothing on their blog or anything else has been updated since shortly after the 2008 'decision.'  Went in there and tried to get someone to comment but there was no response.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on April 01, 2010, 04:53:58 PM
I've gotten a few glimpses of Millsaps spring football over the last week.  Not enough to tell much except that it looks like about 65-70 players and the practices look fast paced and the players seem upbeat.  Again, that's just a first impression from afar.  The number of players seems right when you consider the 20 or so who would have graduated, the ones who are playing baseball or running track, and the natural losses that come from year to year.

Millsaps has an announcement on the website today with info on the new coaching staff.  Here's the link:

http://www.gomajors.com/news/2010/4/1/FB_0401100955.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on April 04, 2010, 09:34:48 AM
Re: HC football.... it appears to be alive, but on indefinite hold.  They have chosen to first try to establish LAX???  The area of disagreement between the student body and the admin as to whether or not to pursue FB is being alloed to evolve with each grad class going and each frosh class coming in...  I think it'll happen, but not as immediately as some people were led to belive.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 04, 2010, 05:58:04 PM
Well, I suspect that if/when they ever do declare, they should expect just as much of a firm commitment from the SCAC opponents who were led to believe they needed to keep a schedule spot open for them in 2012.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D O.C. on April 06, 2010, 12:16:54 PM
QuoteIs anyone hearing anything about Hendrix?

Yes.
You get a better bang for your buck if you buy the original British release of "Electric Ladyland" than get the latest "Valleys of Neptune."   ;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on April 06, 2010, 04:09:36 PM
Quote from: D O.C. on April 06, 2010, 12:16:54 PM
Yes.
You get a better bang for your buck if you buy the original British release of "Electric Ladyland" than get the latest "Valleys of Neptune."   ;D

Every once in awhile, somebody posts something that makes me proud to be a D3Football fan.  This was just such a reply. 

I salute you, D.O.C.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 06, 2010, 07:31:17 PM

QuoteWith the semester coming to an end what is the mood of Spring practice across the campuses?  Everyone is probably optimistic, but who will be the front runners to win the conference next year?

From an earlier post...


Austin: A program at the crossroads? After a nice jump to being competitive with the upper half of the conference, the Roos were a disappointment in 2009. A few posts on this board in 2009 complained about a lack of respect. A losing record didn't do much to bolster their case. Roos lose a solid senior QB and their linebacking corps takes a hit on defense. 2010 may be a put up or shut up year for the men from Sherman.

Birmingham-Southern: I thought when BSC came into the league the Alabama Tigers had a chance to build something in Birmingham and 2009 was another step forward. A win at Austin was among 4 victories this year and with QB Joe Thigpen and elusive RB Water Arrington coming back, look for the Tigers to score and break the .500 threshold. With a beautiful new stadium and weight facility nestled in an attractive campus setting, BSC has a great opportunity to recruit some talent.

Centre: The Colonels received a tough break, literally, in 2009 with the loss of QB Tyler Osterman to a broken ankle early in the season. A team that has been solid for several years missed out on a legitimate shot at the league title. While Osterman and explosive RB Jonathan Pinque return, replacements will need to be found on the offensive line. And it appears there are major losses on the defensive side of the ball as well. While the Colonels should be excited about next year, they may also find it is much different to be the hunted as opposed to the hunter.

DePauw: Coming off a conference co-championship and first ever trip to the post season, the Tigers return a lot of talent on both sides of the ball. The losses, while small in numbers, are huge in impact.  QB Spud Dick, WR Bryan Mulligan, OL David Joeckel, talented players and team leaders all, will be very tough to replace. But with All America WR Alex Koors and a plethora of talent on both sides of the ball, if the Tigers can even partially fill those holes, 2010 can be another title contending year in Greencastle. The road, a friend in 2009, will not be so kind in 2010, with trips to Centre, Millsaps and Trinity.

Millsaps: The Majors lose a very good senior quarterback, but return explosiveness in Bowser and Galatas. And on defense, a young secondary will be a year older. With a new coach, a question mark will be how the Majors handle the transition. Coach DuBose obviously achieved success and has set the program on a very positive path. The eyes of the SCAC will be on Jackson to see if a new coach continues that success.

Rhodes: I for one was stunned by the precipitous drop by the Lynx in 2009. Rhodes went from a solid upper division team to the lower division in a heart beat. It appears as though the Lynx were young as they basically bring everybody back on offense. Boucher and Ellison will be key losses on defense. I would expect better things from the Lynx in 2010, but perhaps the program is a year or two away returning rejoining the up.

Sewanee: A beautiful campus, historic football field and a cellar dwelling team. Unfortunately, not much has changed on the Mountain as the Tigers rolled a goose egg in 2009. Coach Black is a young, energetic coach who has increased the Tigers' numbers since being promoted. Sewanee has a few athletes, they just need a few more.

Trinity: Was 2009 a blip on the radar or the first signs of more serious decline for the proud Texas Tigers? Gotta believe it's a blip. Still, Trinity must answer lingering questions at quarterback and replace two excellent receivers to get things back on track in 2010. On defense, the Tigers lose their linebackers. With a successful, veteran coach and a tradition of solid football, I would think that Trinity will again be contending for the SCAC title in 2010.

Colorado College: Oooops...I forgot the school with the spineless administration that screwed SCAC schools in 2009 isn't playing football anymore.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 12, 2010, 08:34:16 PM
Centenary will not be joining the SCAC:

Quote from: crufootball on April 12, 2010, 05:01:58 PM
I feel like I am breaking a news story but the ASC officially has a new team, Centenary College.

http://www.gocentenary.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=17900&ATCLID=204927349

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on April 13, 2010, 08:16:25 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Centenary to ASC and Trinity Blips)

Now that we know that Centenary will be joining the ASC and not the SCAC; let me ask, "who in the SCAC really cares?" IMHO, not one SCAC team.

                                                                      ::)

The only blips I see regarding Trinity Football in 2010 are the ones that the Tigers will put on the record of every other SCAC member for the year. Regarding the QB position; it is going to be solid, very solid and the Black Flag promises to again be really staunch. IMHO, I'm feeling 10-0 here.

                                                                        :)

                                                                       
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: LA Major on April 14, 2010, 03:41:40 PM
HO?    ;)
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 14, 2010, 07:59:00 PM
Quote from: etg on April 13, 2010, 08:16:25 PM
Regarding the QB position; it is going to be solid, very solid

Solid as in good or solid as in it physically takes 4 guys to get Davidson on the ground?  :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 24, 2010, 02:42:52 PM
Just ran across an interesting interview with DePauw President Brian Casey on the student radio station site. It was done in February so it is not new, but I think he had some rather revealing thoughts regarding the SCAC...

*Presidents agreed to defer implementation of the silly 10% reduction in competition idea (thankfully); would need to be voted on again before the 2012-2013 seasons, but he thinks there is enough opposition to keep it buried;
*It sounds like he generally likes DePauw in the SCAC, with some reservations; obviously costs are a huge challenge; he would like to see a balanced georgraphical alignment, which of course would mean expansion, which he says presidents will take up in June.
*If for some reason the SCAC begins to fade, the NCAC would be a logical place for Depauw to explore moving; he also talked about about his friendship and admiration for Wabash President Pat White...

I hope DePauw can keep Casey...he is a good man with vision and someone who has a keen appreciation for student-athletes and the role that athletics can and should play in the collegiate experience...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2010, 03:28:34 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 24, 2010, 02:42:52 PM
Just ran across an interesting interview with DePauw President Brian Casey on the student radio station site. It was done in February so it is not new, but I think he had some rather revealing thoughts regarding the SCAC...

*Presidents agreed to defer implementation of the silly 10% reduction in competition idea (thankfully); would need to be voted on again before the 2012-2013 seasons, but he thinks there is enough opposition to keep it buried;
*It sounds like he generally likes DePauw in the SCAC, with some reservations; obviously costs are a huge challenge; he would like to see a balanced geographical alignment, which of course would mean expansion, which he says presidents will take up in June.
*If for some reason the SCAC begins to fade, the NCAC would be a logical place for Depauw to explore moving; he also talked about about his friendship and admiration for Wabash President Pat White...

I hope DePauw can keep Casey...he is a good man with vision and someone who has a keen appreciation for student-athletes and the role that athletics can and should play in the collegiate experience...
Do you have the link to the mp3 file?

Balanced alignment?  They are already at 6 and 6.  How do they get to 8 and 8?  Who are the 4 schools that they would accept?

On the West?  UDallas has wanted to join the SCAC for a decade now.  Centenary just accepted the ASC invitation.  Does Centenary dance with the ASC for its provisional period, probably 2011-12 thru 2014-15, and then leave the ASC for the SCAC?

Who gets the invitation on the East?  Who does the East invite to join them?  Is Maryville TN acceptable?  Berry GA has not committed to a conference formally.

Here is the link to the Berry story last summer.  They are high on my list as a team to add.

http://www.berry.edu/pr/pressdetail.aspx?id=1888&terms=+%28+%40releasedate_9+%3C%3d+2009%2f08%2f01+%29+

We can watch the SCAC President's meeting in mid-June when the question should be addressed.

From the Future of Division III board last June...
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 10, 2009, 06:09:19 PM
About the SCAC, in a lacrosse blog, no less...  ;)

http://www.laxmagazine.com/blogs/coyne/060809_scac


Pull quote
Quote
Depending on who you listen to, the conference president's summer meeting, which is scheduled for June 11 in Atlanta according to the league calendar, could result in one of three results for the burgeoning men's (and soon to be women's) lacrosse league.

1. Status quo with the conference holding its current form;

2. A transition to a divisional structure, with the conference broken into East and West entities in order to mitigate rising travel coast for a league that stretches from Georgia to Colorado;

3. The league collapses under the weight of its travel burdens, its member institutions splintering into newly formed conferences or joining existing leagues, dooming the eight lacrosse programs to independent status for the foreseeable future.

Thankfully, the second option appears to be the likely choice for the presidents.

Adding UDallas and Berry would make 7 and 7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 24, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
Ralph...I'll get you a link to the audio file...

When he talks balance, I think he is referring to more geographic balance...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 24, 2010, 03:47:35 PM
Here you go...when you get to this page scroll down to interviews and you will see it.

http://www.depauw.edu/univ/wgre/sports_main_files/sports_main.asp

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2010, 04:00:58 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 24, 2010, 03:33:16 PM
Ralph...I'll get you a link to the audio file...

When he talks balance, I think he is referring to more geographic balance...
Thanks for the link.

Yes, balance, geographical balance.  

He mentions two more teams that are peers.

Add teams that make the divisions cleaner geographical structures.

I have offered opinions on Centenary, UDallas and Berry GA.

He, too, mentions schools in Georgia (Berry?), Louisiana (Centenary?) and Texas (UDallas?).

He mentions the NCAC as Phi Beta Kappa schools and the isolation of Depauw's like-minded institution Wabash ("Monon") and the Earlham vacancy.

NCAC could expand to divisional structure and be more enticing to DePauw by $200,000 in travel expenses.

He focuses on "peers" and "marketing" and "branding".  There are some schools that are not like DePauw as academic peers in the SCAC.

"You do not switch conferences on a whim."

I will appreciate everyone's thoughts on this, but how do we increase the size of the conference, and where do you get the schools that match the mission and vision of the SCAC?

Berea KY is NAIA and has the endowment to match the SCAC schools.

Any others?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 24, 2010, 08:21:22 PM
I think Casey's a smart enough guy to understand that DePauw will never get the geographic balance that they used to have in this conference.  Having Rose-Hulman as a travel partner was fantastic.  Not having Austin & Colorado to travel to was also fantastic.  That's just never coming back.  I think DePauw would be extremely comfortable staying in this conference if they got a school inside of 3 hours, but right now they are the outlier.  It's over 5 hours to any other school in this conference.  That's not a huge deal for football, but DePauw can't really play a mid-week basketball game against their travel partner right now.  You miss too much class time for that when you add in all the class missed with other travel.

I've asked this before, but why do you stay in a conference where you are the geographic outlier? On top of that, why do you stay when you feel like you are an academic outlier when there's a conference FULL of great academic schools (Wabash, Denison, Kenyon, etc) that currently has an opening and is just a stone's throw away?  I'm sure Casey was choosing his words carefully and fulfulling his obligation to the SCAC, but I still don't get it.  I just don't understand.

EDIT: Not trying to trash SCAC academics, but I think DePauw's opinion of themselves academically & financially doesn't fit in with some of the current or potential future SCAC members.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 24, 2010, 08:32:57 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on April 24, 2010, 08:21:22 PM
I think Casey's a smart enough guy to understand that DePauw will never get the geographic balance that they used to have in this conference.  Having Rose-Hulman as a travel partner was fantastic.  Not having Austin & Colorado to travel to was also fantastic.  That's just never coming back.  I think DePauw would be extremely comfortable staying in this conference if they got a school inside of 3 hours, but right now they are the outlier.  It's over 5 hours to any other school in this conference.  That's not a huge deal for football, but DePauw can't really play a mid-week basketball game against their travel partner right now.  You miss too much class time for that when you add in all the class missed with other travel.

I've asked this before, but why do you stay in a conference where you are the geographic outlier? On top of that, why do you stay when you feel like you are an academic outlier when there's a conference FULL of great academic schools (Wabash, Denison, Kenyon, etc) that currently has an opening and is just a stone's throw away?  I'm sure Casey was choosing his words carefully and fulfulling his obligation to the SCAC, but I still don't get it.  I just don't understand.

EDIT: Not trying to trash SCAC academics, but I think DePauw's opinion of themselves academically & financially doesn't fit in with some of the current or potential future SCAC members.
Is Berry College the college that allows DePauw to move to the NCAC?

President Casey is quite convincing in parlaying DPU's prestige in the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 27, 2010, 09:21:59 PM

Tigers bring another good young coach into the fold as offensive line coach.

http://depauw.edu/ath/news.asp?id=25258

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on April 28, 2010, 11:57:41 AM
I'm pretty surprised depauw hasn't made the move to the ncac since it seems like a perfect fit but the issue might not be coming from depauw's side, does the ncac even want depauw for spot 10? I really don't see them expanding past 10 school's since that would mean splitting up the ohio school's for divisions, which i don't think they would go for...so the ncac is probably just taking its time to determine who it wants for its 10th spot, might be wj over depauw. As for the scac, i'd guess an expansion to 14 happens, 16 is too big, with berry and dallas getting spots to ease travel somewhat...would have thought centenary might get the nod but they aren't good to go for a few years. After bumping up to 14, if the scac lost some members, they could drop down to 12 again or go after centenary + others for another round of expansion. Looking at the academic profiles of the scan and ncac, i don't really see much difference in fact i'd rate the top 5 or so of the scac over the ncac but they all are pretty close from top to bottom.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2010, 12:39:35 PM
I was wondering why Wes feels DPU is an "academic outlier" in the SCAC ... I see them among the top schools academically but not head and shoulders above the bulk of the conference.   Geographic outlier, no doubt.   Financially, compared to some members, no doubt, but I've never heard of a conference that says "you gotta have $xxx million to play."  Yes, money can impact your ability to compete, but this isn't Division I with its "win at all costs" mentality.

Geography, history, and travel costs/lost student time IMO are the primary reasons for DPU to go to the NCAC.    That they aren't there implies the Greencastle braintrust finds something it really likes in the SCAC.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2010, 12:55:25 PM
...or maybe it's just that DPU is bored with the SCAC; they just won their fifth straight Presidents Trophy.  

http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/presidents_trophy

1. DePauw University         925
2. Trinity University         797.5
3. Centre College         777.5
4. Rhodes College         722.5
5. Sewanee-The University of the South         522.5
6. Southwestern University         502.5
6. Hendrix College         420
8. Millsaps College         395
9. Colorado College         372.5
10. Austin College          287.5
11. Oglethorpe University         272.5  

DPU's achieved its largest margin of victory this year - meaning I can't go around saying that DPU only won because of field hockey.   :(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on April 28, 2010, 02:02:20 PM

QuoteGeography, history, and travel costs/lost student time IMO are the primary reasons for DPU to go to the NCAC.    That they aren't there implies the Greencastle braintrust finds something it really likes in the SCAC.

I think so...if you listen to President Casey there are things he really likes about the SCAC, including the travel. While cost and missed class-time are big issues,  he (and others) like how travel to cities like San Antonio, Colorado Springs, Dallas, etc. enhances the student-athlete experience.  My guess is the SCAC will remain conference of choice, but in an economic environment not likely to improve a great deal any time soon, other options would be under consideration. DePauw is fortunate to have a guy like Casey making those decisions. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on April 28, 2010, 08:44:02 PM
BFB,,, and rythmic dancing
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 28, 2010, 08:59:13 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on April 28, 2010, 02:02:20 PM

QuoteGeography, history, and travel costs/lost student time IMO are the primary reasons for DPU to go to the NCAC.    That they aren't there implies the Greencastle braintrust finds something it really likes in the SCAC.

I think so...if you listen to President Casey there are things he really likes about the SCAC, including the travel. While cost and missed class-time are big issues,  he (and others) like how travel to cities like San Antonio, Colorado Springs, Dallas, etc. enhances the student-athlete experience.  My guess is the SCAC will remain conference of choice, but in an economic environment not likely to improve a great deal any time soon, other options would be under consideration. DePauw is fortunate to have a guy like Casey making those decisions.  

More accurately, county-seat towns like Georgetown (Williamson County) and Sherman (Grayson County).

Southern Methodist University and/or Dallas Christian College have not been invited to join the SCAC.   ;D  

Shucks, there is a Phi Beta Kappa school in Irving that would love to be in the SCAC. ;)


ERRATA:  Southern Methodist University is actually in University Park.

Dallas Christian, Paul Quinn, Dallas Baptist University and the new University of North Texas, Dallas are the only four year colleges in Dallas.  UNT-Dallas opens in 2010.  Their documents propose to be D-II.

http://www.unt.edu/unt-dallas/plan/Documents/Final_Master_Plan.pdf

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on April 28, 2010, 10:11:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2010, 12:39:35 PM
I was wondering why Wes feels DPU is an "academic outlier" in the SCAC ... I see them among the top schools academically but not head and shoulders above the bulk of the conference.   Geographic outlier, no doubt.   Financially, compared to some members, no doubt, but I've never heard of a conference that says "you gotta have $xxx million to play."  Yes, money can impact your ability to compete, but this isn't Division I with its "win at all costs" mentality.

Very sorry you took that as my opinion, Ron.  I tried to choose my words very carefully to illustrate what I've been told is the general thought from within the DePauw braintrust (which includes more than just Casey).  I wasn't very clear on that and I apologize.  As much as I want Monon to be a conference game, I think the competitive balance across all sports is a much better fit for DePauw, honestly.  Plus, the travel is amazing here.  San Antonio, Atlanta, and Memphis > Meadville, PA, Crawfordsville, IN, and Granville, Ohio.

I think it makes more sense overall for DePauw to be in the NCAC rather than the SCAC, but don't take that opinion as me jumping ship.

EDIT: As a side note, didn't think I'd see the day DePauw won 5 straight President Trophys.  Even within the past decade, I can recall a time when that was a ludicrous notion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 28, 2010, 11:54:05 PM
no apology necessary, Wes - thx for the clarification.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 05, 2010, 09:52:01 AM
I posted this on the men's soccer board, where it belongs, but for those of us who have been patiently (?) waiting for some improvements to EM Stevens, this may offer some hope:  Trinity University to make Soccer Stadium Renovations (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/msoc/2009-10/04-30-10_isom_memorial).

So why the hope?

1.  AD Bob King:  "We see this as the beginning of renovations and support of all athletics facilities [...]  Improvements such as this will not only help augment the student-athlete experience at Trinity, but also will improve the atmosphere for Tiger fans." 

2.  New TU president Dennis Ahlberg is quoted.  I can't remember his predecessor *ever* saying boo about anything athletic at TU.

So hopefully this means the long-stagnant stadium upgrade plans will move forward at some point.  It would help if they find a donor like the Chapman Trust to assist - they are doing a 4:1 match on donations toward the soccer upgrades. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 05, 2010, 01:26:27 PM
QuoteI posted this on the men's soccer board, where it belongs, but for those of us who have been patiently (?) waiting for some improvements to EM Stevens, this may offer some hope:  Trinity University to make Soccer Stadium Renovations.

So why the hope?

1.  AD Bob King:  "We see this as the beginning of renovations and support of all athletics facilities [...]  Improvements such as this will not only help augment the student-athlete experience at Trinity, but also will improve the atmosphere for Tiger fans." 

2.  New TU president Dennis Ahlberg is quoted.  I can't remember his predecessor *ever* saying boo about anything athletic at TU.

So hopefully this means the long-stagnant stadium upgrade plans will move forward at some point.  It would help if they find a donor like the Chapman Trust to assist - they are doing a 4:1 match on donations toward the soccer upgrades. 

Thanks for posting. Hope that's the case. I was always surprised at the disparity between the strength of the Trinity program and its facilities. Good luck!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 05, 2010, 01:29:02 PM
BTW, who keeps knocking down my "karma"  ;D. Not sure what karma means on this site, but I see mine keeps getting lower...was it something I said?  :D   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 05, 2010, 11:08:19 PM
TU's new president came from CU-Boulder, right?  Traditionally a strong football school. I'm encouraged but since my son's about to enter his junior year, I'm still holding out hope for a new and improved EMStinkins err... stephens...

TU should have a very strong O-Line this year.   Strength strength and more strength.

QB position will be solid as the line in front of them.

We will miss a certain back out of Shiner. But other guys will get the chance to step it up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 11, 2010, 12:42:08 AM
Not sure if you fellas play the market, but a dollar stock worth watching is HDY. Do your research. African offshore oil lease stuff.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on May 11, 2010, 04:02:28 PM
Well that is a first....penny stock touting on the board!! ;)

I heard HDY had a running back that ran a blazing 40 and had good hands to boot!!  The scouting recap on the coach says he relies alot on international players for his depth on both sides of the line!


Now time to do some more research and maybe make a play, sure beats the lottery.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 11, 2010, 07:40:06 PM
Yeah, I know. I'm not the type that normally does this but I have never run across this type thing before. If it hits, I retire.  Figured I'd spread the love. I won't say anything else. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 12, 2010, 04:44:04 PM
Trinity release on captains and early outlook for 2010:

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2009-10/releases/05-11-10_fb_captains

Sat Sep. 4     Howard Payne  6:00 PM     
Sat Sep. 18    Rhodes *    6:00 PM    
Sat Sep. 25    Millsaps * 1:30 PM    

Sat Oct. 2    at Birmingham Southern * 12:00 PM    
Sat Oct. 9    at Texas Lutheran    1:00 PM    
Sat Oct. 16    at Sewanee *    1:00 PM    
Sat Oct. 23    DePauw * 1:30 PM    
Sat Oct. 30    at Huntingdon   12:00 PM    
Sat Nov. 6    at Centre * 12:30 PM    
Sat Nov. 13    Austin * 1:30 PM

Good to see the first two games starting at 6 instead of the baking heat of the day.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Slicer_Coach on May 17, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
Any news on DePauw's recruiting class?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 18, 2010, 03:39:10 PM
QuoteAny news on DePauw's recruiting class?

Slicer Coach...I haven't heard a lot...although I know they like a QB they got from Indianapolis...Jackson Kirtley. Small school (2A), but two-time first team all-state who put up some crazy numbers in H.S.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on May 18, 2010, 06:11:54 PM
I kinda poked around a little and didn't learn much.  What few answers I did get were awful vague.

I understand the class isn't particularly large in number for a couple of different reasons, but I believe the staff is more than pleased with the talent level.

EDIT: Just had to say something, I guess. 55 is the number. Plenty from out-of-state and even outside what I'd call the Midwest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 18, 2010, 11:35:48 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on May 18, 2010, 06:11:54 PM
I kinda poked around a little and didn't learn much.  What few answers I did get were awful vague.

I understand the class isn't particularly large in number for a couple of different reasons, but I believe the staff is more than pleased with the talent level.

EDIT: Just had to say something, I guess. 55 is the number. Plenty from out-of-state and even outside what I'd call the Midwest.

A lot can happen between now and August.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 19, 2010, 08:07:21 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity Football, days to "the Ship" as of 5/19/2010)


Report Day                      85 days
Week 1                           108 days
SCAC Champions            178 days
"the Ship"                       213 days

                                                               :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on May 19, 2010, 09:39:51 PM

I heard DePauw brought in a center who is about 5'11",  210 pounds, and can bench 205 lbs. He's from Iowa and says he chose DePauw over Earlham because he liked the stadium better.  He was second team all district as a junior and was not offered any scholarships.  I heard they also brought in some other guys who weren't offered any scholarships.  Looks like a pretty solid d3 class. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 19, 2010, 10:18:08 PM
QuoteReport Day                      85 days
Week 1                           108 days
SCAC Champions            178 days
"the Ship"                       213 days

I like the enthusiasm... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on May 20, 2010, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on May 19, 2010, 09:39:51 PM

I heard DePauw brought in a center who is about 5'11",  210 pounds, and can bench 205 lbs. He's from Iowa and says he chose DePauw over Earlham because he liked the stadium better.  He was second team all district as a junior and was not offered any scholarships.  I heard they also brought in some other guys who weren't offered any scholarships.  Looks like a pretty solid d3 class. 

Doesn't seem like very impressive stats!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 20, 2010, 11:37:08 AM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on May 20, 2010, 11:22:45 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on May 19, 2010, 09:39:51 PM

I heard DePauw brought in a center who is about 5'11",  210 pounds, and can bench 205 lbs. He's from Iowa and says he chose DePauw over Earlham because he liked the stadium better.  He was second team all district as a junior and was not offered any scholarships.  I heard they also brought in some other guys who weren't offered any scholarships.  Looks like a pretty solid d3 class. 

Doesn't seem like very impressive stats!

It's just 2698 giving the DPU faithful a hard time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on May 20, 2010, 12:36:18 PM
QuoteIt's just 2698 giving the DPU faithful a hard time. 

Yeah...it was a devastating post.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on May 20, 2010, 03:24:39 PM
Oops.  It looks like I fell for that hook line and sinker. :-[
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on May 20, 2010, 06:39:50 PM
I was in Sherman yesterday and found out AC is expecting 40-45 new freshmen for next year.

Not sure how that compares to DePauw's recruiting class.  :P ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on May 20, 2010, 09:21:03 PM

Especially when you consider what I found out today- apparently DePauw is stealing recruits from Wabash.

I heard a 5-9, 145 lb receiver from Elyria, OH changed his commitment from Wabash to DePauw last weekend when he went on his official visit only to find out that there were no women at the home of the Little Giants.  He caught 9 passes last year for 77 yards and one touchdown, and says he hopes to play quarterback.  The women are no doubt a huge advantage for the Tigers in their recruiting battles with Wabash. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 21, 2010, 09:54:44 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on May 20, 2010, 09:21:03 PM

Especially when you consider what I found out today- apparently DePauw is stealing recruits from Wabash.

I heard a 5-9, 145 lb receiver from Elyria, OH changed his commitment from Wabash to DePauw last weekend when he went on his official visit only to find out that there were no women at the home of the Little Giants.  He caught 9 passes last year for 77 yards and one touchdown, and says he hopes to play quarterback.  The women are no doubt a huge advantage for the Tigers in their recruiting battles with Wabash. 
Even DePauw women?   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Slicer_Coach on May 23, 2010, 10:23:45 PM
I just read in the paper here at home (LaPorte) that a linebacker from Michigan City committed to DePauw and a couple of his teammates committed to Wabash.  I just thought it was about this time of the year 3 years ago when my son was recruited that the D3 schools started publishing their lists.  I know there could be several changes but is sure would be nice know who's doing what!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on May 26, 2010, 07:27:17 PM

Here's what I'm gathering... it looks like most of the blue chippers were more interested in playing in front of 80,000 fans and millions on tv and getting an entire academic support team devoted to keeping them eligible, so none of them were interested in division 3 football.  Those who weren't offered scholarships at the major college conferences seem to have gone mid-major, seemingly because the education is free and they still have a shot at getting a pro contract one day.  Most of those who didn't get offered by FCS or FBS schools got partial deals from division 2 schools and their grades weren't very good so they went to those schools.

It seems that by and large in the SCAC, we didn't get many of the scholarship players since we don't offer what they can.  However, there are some that were entirely beneath the radar because they weren't any good as high school players, but they wanted to keep playing and could somehow afford the tuition on top of being really good students who chose SCAC schools.  In each of the schools' recruiting classes, there are a bunch of no names who might or might not turn out to be great players.  In all of division 3, Mount Union seems to have gotten the few guys who might make an NFL roster, and it looks like they might compete for the championship again.

Does that help?  It's pretty much the case every year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 26, 2010, 08:57:08 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: NSF to 2698)


"Not So Fast 2698."

Christmas may come early to San Antonio's Skyline Campus (like Aug. 12th).
I truly believe Saint Nick will be there.
Please stay tuned; I certainly will.


                                                                    :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 27, 2010, 10:18:20 AM
Will St. Nick bring some turf with him, etg?   ;)

Meanwhile, up in the metroplex, the good people of the Allen ISD are about to spend $60 million of their tax dollars to build a new stadium with room for 18,000.  For one high school - albeit one with 5,000 students.   It probably doesn't hurt that, in addition to the area being located in the most affluent county in the state, there has been a great deal of recent retail development there, meaning the property tax base is both wide and deep. 

At least it's not a case of athletics in lieu of everything else - fifteen of the 19 schools in the district have received the state's highest academic rating, "Exemplary," which is not easy to come by.  The other four schools exceed standards and are "Recognized."   http://bit.ly/aLSgOB
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 27, 2010, 08:58:32 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Ron's Turf)


Ron, I did not realize that 2698 was talking about new turf; I thought that he was actually talking about "warm bodies".  I do expect some really great new football prospects on campus in August.

I certainly hope that Saint Nick will be there, but I don't believe that he will bring any artificial turf for the 2010 season (if ever). Seems like around here, many like that "old natural stuff" better; really can't say that I blame them.

                                                                          :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on May 29, 2010, 10:37:06 PM
"Here's what I'm gathering... it looks like most of the blue chippers were more interested in playing in front of 80,000 fans and millions on tv and getting an entire academic support team devoted to keeping them eligible, so none of them were interested in division 3 football.  Those who weren't offered scholarships at the major college conferences seem to have gone mid-major, seemingly because the education is free and they still have a shot at getting a pro contract one day.  Most of those who didn't get offered by FCS or FBS schools got partial deals from division 2 schools and their grades weren't very good so they went to those schools.

It seems that by and large in the SCAC, we didn't get many of the scholarship players since we don't offer what they can.  However, there are some that were entirely beneath the radar because they weren't any good as high school players, but they wanted to keep playing and could somehow afford the tuition on top of being really good students who chose SCAC schools.  In each of the schools' recruiting classes, there are a bunch of no names who might or might not turn out to be great players.  In all of division 3, Mount Union seems to have gotten the few guys who might make an NFL roster, and it looks like they might compete for the championship again.

Does that help?  It's pretty much the case every year."

Nice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 30, 2010, 06:42:32 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: D3Navy, Ron, 2698)


D3Navy, Ron, 2698:
You guys need to do what they keep telling me; "hide and watch" (Aug 12th). I already have my spot to hide, can't wait to see the squad with Saint Nick (but guess I will have to). From what I hear it's going to be "something special".


                                                              :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on May 31, 2010, 06:49:03 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: 2010 D3 Preseason Football Rankings)


*Sporting News 2010 Football Preview (previously Street & Smith's)
2010 D3 Preseason Top 25

Trinity (TX)------------#19
No other SCAC teams ranked in Top 25. Other SCAC team to watch: DePauw.

Sporting News Comments:  Trinity (TX) has best Special Teams in D3 Football; Biel (Kicker), Trella (Punter) and Urban (Return Specialist). Offense must decide on QB from 3 of last years returning starters (Davidson, Staska, Dickinson).
El Tea Gray Comment:  NSF----"Not So Fast Sporting News" let's take a look (Aug. 12th) at the new class of QBs.


*Lindy's 2010 Football Preview
2010 D3 Preseason Top 25

No SCAC teams ranked in Lindy's Top 25.


                                                                              :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 31, 2010, 09:28:02 PM
After last year's heralded first-year QB ended up bailing on the team, etg, I'll wait until they actually start the season to get excited about 'the new class of QBs'.

Speaking of which, I wonder what ever happened to the lamented Mr. T ... the only recent reference I can find to someone by that name is as a pledge to a TAMU service organization (http://ironspikes.tamu.edu/node/9) called "Iron Spikes."  Class of 2013 and SAT phone number, too - plus there's a Facebook page with the same info (and the fact that he graduated from Boerne Champion).  Hope he is happy at A&M, certainly if he wanted the 'big college' experience he wasn't going to get it at Trinity. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on May 31, 2010, 10:36:10 PM
etg, would you be so kind to list the ASC teams in the Sporting News Preview?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 04, 2010, 07:00:33 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Ron and Crufootball)

Ron,
I've been telling you that Saint Nick "will" be there; so will a couple of other QBs.  The other guy that you asked about went to Texas State in San Marcos after Trinity; don't know where he will show up this year.

Crufootball,
The Trine article that can be pulled up from page 1 of d3football.com has the complete Lindy's and Sporting News top 25's.

                                                                             :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on June 05, 2010, 02:27:40 PM
People are posting that a deal has been finalized between Depauw and the NCAC; the announcement is forthcoming. Anyone over here have any insight?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 05, 2010, 02:31:12 PM
Quote from: BashDad on June 05, 2010, 02:27:40 PM
People are posting that a deal has been finalized between Depauw and the NCAC; the announcement is forthcoming. Anyone over here have any insight?
The PAC-10/Big 12 fallout is getting out of hand. :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 05, 2010, 03:54:35 PM
Quote from: BashDad on June 05, 2010, 02:27:40 PM
People are posting that a deal has been finalized between Depauw and the NCAC; the announcement is forthcoming. Anyone over here have any insight?

Everything I've heard from DePauw's side is the exact opposite.  The last information I got was that the NCAC didn't want DePauw.  There were a boatload of schools interested in that North Coast spot and DePauw wasn't even on the radar to get it.  DePauw was very interested, but the administration was painting the picture that the feeling was not mutual.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on June 05, 2010, 04:58:58 PM
Wes,

See NCAC board for the rumor... Seinfeld isn't one to yell and he seems pretty steadfast in his declaration.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2010, 05:42:59 PM
If speculation can run wild at this minute on DePauw's going to the NCAC, then I look for Berry to move to the SCAC.  That consolidates Atlanta, gives a close travel partner for Oglethorpe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 05, 2010, 06:54:24 PM
Quote from: BashDad on June 05, 2010, 04:58:58 PM
Wes,

See NCAC board for the rumor... Seinfeld isn't one to yell and he seems pretty steadfast in his declaration.

I'm not doubting him or the report. That's just the story that the DPU admin is telling. I think it's a little bizarre to say that if you're joining the conference. I can understand the "we're in the SCAC and we like the SCAC" PR trick, but I guess I don't see a point in concocting a tall tale like that if you're going to turn right around and join the conference anyways. Who knows... DPU administration has surprised me before.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2010, 07:34:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2010, 05:42:59 PM
If speculation can run wild at this minute on DePauw's going to the NCAC, then I look for Berry to move to the SCAC.  That consolidates Atlanta, gives a close travel partner for Oglethorpe.

What indication do you see that Berry is unhappy w/the NAIA, Ralph?  

No football team at Berry ... teams will have to work hard to find that fourth non-conference game (or play nine games or an NAIA/D2 opponent).   At least with B-SC becoming eligible the conference wouldn't lose its AQ.

I still don't want to see DPU go to the NCAC, even though it makes geographic, financial, and scholastic sense.     :(  But this guy says he's seen the documents, so maybe it's all over but the shouting:

Quote from: seinfeld on June 05, 2010, 07:27:28 PM
OK, one last comment on DePauw and then I'll let it go for now (at least as it pertains to the validity of them joining the NCAC), because:

1) It will become official this coming Wednesday so we'll know then
2) I can't prove definitively on this site now anyway

I'll just say this. My information isn't based on second-hand info or what one person told me. It is based on actually viewing, with my own two eyes (not using the blurry glasses in my Seinfeld bio photo), an announcement of this agreement, which just went down yesterday. So unless high level people in the NCAC are involved in some sort of large scale hoax, this is 100% a done deal.

So now the conversation, at least as it relates to football, should switch to what this means for overall conference strength and the chances of making the playoffs, and what it means for the schedule. Ideally, I would like to go with what the OAC does, and have everyone play each other, leaving one non-conference game. But at the very least they need to get up to eight conference games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2010, 07:46:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2010, 07:34:52 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2010, 05:42:59 PM
If speculation can run wild at this minute on DePauw's going to the NCAC, then I look for Berry to move to the SCAC.  That consolidates Atlanta, gives a close travel partner for Oglethorpe.

What indication do you see that Berry is unhappy w/the NAIA, Ralph?  

No football team at Berry ... teams will have to work hard to find that fourth non-conference game (or play nine games or an NAIA/D2 opponent).   At least with B-SC becoming eligible the conference wouldn't lose its AQ.

I still don't want to see DPU go to the NCAC, even though it makes geographic, financial, and scholastic sense.     :(  But this guy says he's seen the documents, so maybe it's all over but the shouting:

Quote from: seinfeld on June 05, 2010, 07:27:28 PM
OK, one last comment on DePauw and then I'll let it go for now (at least as it pertains to the validity of them joining the NCAC), because:

1) It will become official this coming Wednesday so we'll know then
2) I can't prove definitively on this site now anyway

I'll just say this. My information isn't based on second-hand info or what one person told me. It is based on actually viewing, with my own two eyes (not using the blurry glasses in my Seinfeld bio photo), an announcement of this agreement, which just went down yesterday. So unless high level people in the NCAC are involved in some sort of large scale hoax, this is 100% a done deal.

So now the conversation, at least as it relates to football, should switch to what this means for overall conference strength and the chances of making the playoffs, and what it means for the schedule. Ideally, I would like to go with what the OAC does, and have everyone play each other, leaving one non-conference game. But at the very least they need to get up to eight conference games.
They are already in the Provisional pipeline.   :)

http://www.berry.edu/athletics/ncaa/

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2010, 07:52:07 PM
Right you are.  Thanks!

http://www.berry.edu/pr/pressdetail.aspx?id=1888&terms=+%28+%40summary_9+NCAA*+%29+

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2010, 08:50:31 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2010, 07:34:52 PM




No football team at Berry ... teams will have to work hard to find that fourth non-conference game (or play nine games or an NAIA/D2 opponent).   At least with B-SC becoming eligible the conference wouldn't lose its AQ.

Isn't this where Hendrix is supposed to come thru for its fellow SCAC'ers?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2010, 11:41:42 PM
Ralph, I don't think anyone in the SCAC, the braintrust at Hendrix included, have any idea when or even if that school is going to finally get its FB program going.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 08, 2010, 05:12:54 PM

The reports are true. DePauw is leaving the SCAC and headed to the NCAC in 2011. Official announcement expected Wednesday. :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 08, 2010, 05:32:15 PM

DePauw football remains in the SCAC for 2 seasons, joining the NCAC for the 2012 season. All other sports have just one more season in the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 08, 2010, 11:03:21 PM
That's a big obvious move for depauw and the ncac to make, should have happened years ago + noble to stick around for two more football seasons to ease the transition. As for the scac, its loss but travel  should be easier and maybe the w's for other programs. I would think berry college would be a lock to replace depauw with the hope they start a football program. I do wonder if Colorado college might also exit  but they don't have a landing spot, so maybe not.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2010, 11:30:37 PM
Quote from: cush on June 08, 2010, 11:03:21 PM
That's a big obvious move for depauw and the ncac to make, should have happened years ago + noble to stick around for two more football seasons to ease the transition. As for the scac, its loss but travel  should be easier and maybe the w's for other programs. I would think berry college would be a lock to replace depauw with the hope they start a football program. I do wonder if Colorado college might also exit  but they don't have a landing spot, so maybe not.
Berry can come online in 2 years, if they want to.

Berry will be Provisional year #3 in 2011-12.  Results versus Berry will count towards the playoffs that year.  That seems to be part of the timing, a smart move to say the least.

Were Colorado College to leave, would UDallas be acceptable?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 10:24:24 AM
Official announcement:

http://www.northcoast.org/news/DePauwtoNCAC.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- DePauw University of Greencastle, Indiana, has accepted a unanimous invitation to join the North Coast Athletic Conference.

The NCAC was founded in 1983 based upon the principles of a strong commitment to equality for women, a firm belief in a broad-based athletic program as part of an institutions' greater academic mission and a reliance on presidential leadership. With the addition of women's golf for the 2010-11 season, the NCAC will sponsor 23 championship sports, 11 for men and 12 for women.

DePauw will begin NCAC competition in 2011-12 in all sports with the exception of football, which, due to existing contracts, will begin play in 2012.

[...]

"The move to the NCAC aligns DePauw with strong institutions with a similar focus on academic excellence and the overall development of the student with fewer strains on both schedules and budgets," explained DePauw President Brian Casey.

[more at link]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 10:27:18 AM
SCAC announcement, interesting that it does not say anything about football taking another year.  I guess the 2011 games v. DPU will be non-conference (and out-of-region?):

http://www.scacsports.com/news/depauw_leaves_scac

SUWANEE, Ga. - In an announcement made today, DePauw University has decided to leave the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference and accept an offer of membership in the North Coast Athletic Conference. The move will be effective July 1, 2011.

"DePauw has been an exemplary member of the SCAC since joining our conference in 1998," said commissioner Dwayne Hanberry. "We trust this was not an easy decision for President Casey and the Board of Trustees, but respect that the decision was made in the best interest of the institution."

"The SCAC hates to lose DePauw, but we certainly respect their decision to switch conference affiliation in order for their student-athletes to compete in an area of the country that makes more sense geographically," said Southwestern University President Jake Schrum, who is chair of the SCAC Executive Council. "Speaking on behalf of all of the presidents of the SCAC, we wish them well in all future endeavors."

During its time with the SCAC (1998-2010), DePauw has captured 70 conference championships (32 in men's sports; 38 in women's sport). Over that 12-year span, only Trinity University with 98 championships has more total conference titles than DePauw.

DePauw's decision currently leaves the SCAC with 11 member institutions. The league's Board of Directors is scheduled to meet on Wednesday, June 9, in Atlanta, Ga., to attend to regular conference business.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 10:58:15 AM
DPU 2011 schedule v. SCAC opponents (assuming opposite of 2010):

Sep 17 Centre
Sep 24 @Sewanee
Oct 1 Millsaps
Oct 8 @Rhodes
Oct 22 Trinity
Oct 29 @B-SC
Nov 5 @Austin

I salute the DPU administration for being willing to honor their 2011 commitments; at the same time, I imagine they will work with their soon-to-be former opponents if there are changes that can be done to benefit both schools.   They probably don't *really* want to go to Sherman on November 5th, for example.  Trinity probably doesn't really want to go all the way to Indiana for a non-conference, out-of-region game on October 22nd, either.  Looking at the open games board for 2011 there's not much, but who knows. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2010, 11:01:38 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 10:58:15 AM
DPU 2011 schedule v. SCAC opponents (assuming opposite of 2010):

Sep 17 Centre
Sep 24 @Sewanee
Oct 1 Millsaps
Oct 8 @Rhodes
Oct 22 Trinity
Oct 29 @B-SC
Nov 5 @Austin

I salute the DPU administration for being willing to honor their 2011 commitments; at the same time, I imagine they will work with their soon-to-be former opponents if there are changes that can be done to benefit both schools.   They probably don't *really* want to go to Sherman on November 5th, for example.  Trinity probably doesn't really want to go all the way to Indiana for a non-conference, out-of-region game on October 22nd, either.  Looking at the open games board for 2011 there's not much, but who knows. 
There should be an open date for an ASC school on each of those dates.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2010, 11:01:38 AM
There should be an open date for an ASC school on each of those dates.

If so, Ralph, they're not listed in the 2011 open dates calendar. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2010, 12:07:17 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 11:31:09 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2010, 11:01:38 AM
There should be an open date for an ASC school on each of those dates.

If so, Ralph, they're not listed in the 2011 open dates calendar.  
Good point.

There might be a switch of opponents from an NAIA to an NCAA opponent in that case.
I am not sure when the rotation of dates will occur in the ASC.  The dates move forward in the schedule so as to change the time in the season that the teams play.  The open dates move, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 09, 2010, 12:15:30 PM
I think berry will get the depauw's spot over udallas since its a eastern spot opening and the odds are probably much higher berry can/will start a football program someday. Who knows about colorado college's plan's. Given, they are probably the best academic school in the league, i'm sure that carries same catch within the scac but travel is crazy and the fact they have no football now hurts them. Yet, CC really doesn't have any place to go other than moving NCAA divisions or forming a new league. IF they want to remain in the scac and feeling is mutual, expansion to 14 members makes the most sense. I would add udallas and centenary even though they signed on with another league to ease travel with larger divisions. IF cc does leave, than pick either udallas or centenary, i'd go with them, and remain at 12 and hope hendrix and berry get football started up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on June 09, 2010, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 10:58:15 AM
Trinity probably doesn't really want to go all the way to Indiana for a non-conference, out-of-region game on October 22nd, either.

Why would it be non-conference?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on June 09, 2010, 01:05:13 PM
Quote from: BashDad on June 09, 2010, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 10:58:15 AM
Trinity probably doesn't really want to go all the way to Indiana for a non-conference, out-of-region game on October 22nd, either.

Why would it be non-conference?

When Wabash moved from the HCAC to the NCAC, a similar two-phase implementation happened...everything except football in 1999-2000, followed by the football program joining in the following year.  Wabash's HCAC games in 1999 were not non-league games and I believe Wabash was eligible to win the league championship and the AQ that would have gone with it (this was the first year of the glorious AQ era).  Hopefully DePauw's games in 2011 will count for league standings...it seems fair that they should. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: BashDad on June 09, 2010, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 10:58:15 AM
Trinity probably doesn't really want to go all the way to Indiana for a non-conference, out-of-region game on October 22nd, either.

Why would it be non-conference?

They're leaving the SCAC effective the end of the 2010-11 year; DPU will be an independent in football the 2011-12 season.   The SCAC could alow DPU to be a one-sport member in 11-12, but that's not how the SCAC release (presently) reads.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on June 09, 2010, 01:32:36 PM
I haven't seen it stated that DPU will be "independent" in any of the releases. Can you post a link?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2010, 01:35:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 01:06:32 PM
Quote from: BashDad on June 09, 2010, 12:23:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 10:58:15 AM
Trinity probably doesn't really want to go all the way to Indiana for a non-conference, out-of-region game on October 22nd, either.

Why would it be non-conference?

They're leaving the SCAC effective the end of the 2010-11 year; DPU will be an independent in football the 2011-12 season.   The SCAC could alow DPU to be a one-sport member in 11-12, but that's not how the SCAC release (presently) reads.  

Pool B!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on June 09, 2010, 01:41:11 PM
Yes, fine-- but it seems to me that you're jumping the gun here. It hasn't been stated plain anywhere how exactly conference affiliation will work that season. Also, it would seem fairly unnecessary to make Depauw play a conference schedule as an outsider; they could have very well bailed on the schedule entirely, but they didn't.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 09, 2010, 01:47:23 PM
I think  for 2011 season depauw football should be a full scac conference member. I'm not sure how legal wise it works being in all sports but football in one league and football only in another but it shouldn't be a problem.  The bigger issue for scac football would be getting hendrix started and berry, who should thrive in d3 football assuming they replace depauw. I would also guess depauw might keep some scac non-conference football games in future years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 02:32:15 PM
Folks, all I'm doing is stating what appears to be the case based on what the SCAC office has said (or not said) in their communications.  It's possible that one question for the SCAC presidents in their meeting this week is whether or not to allow DPU to be a football-only conference member in '11-'12.  Don't think the  SCAC has allowed 'associate members' in the past so it may be that there has to be a change to the by-laws (etc.) before any announcement can be made.  

In the mean time, it's the offseason, there's not much else going on, so speculation is fun.   :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2010, 02:39:39 PM
I will follow up and see what I can find.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on June 09, 2010, 03:46:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 02:32:15 PM
Folks, all I'm doing is stating what appears to be the case based on what the SCAC office has said (or not said) in their communications.  It's possible that one question for the SCAC presidents in their meeting this week is whether or not to allow DPU to be a football-only conference member in '11-'12.  Don't think the  SCAC has allowed 'associate members' in the past so it may be that there has to be a change to the by-laws (etc.) before any announcement can be made.  

In the mean time, it's the offseason, there's not much else going on, so speculation is fun.   :D

Where has the SCAC office been quoted? Doesn't look to me like they've made any statement...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on June 09, 2010, 03:52:43 PM
This news awoke me from a long winter's nap.  All I have to say is, I am not happy with the decision.  I have enjoyed the SCAC the last three years and will again for one more year.  I texted my son who responded with the words "lame decision".  It does not directly impact him sinced he is done after this year.  I thought the SCAC was a recruiting advantage and an experiential positive.  Now the kids can spend an extra night at Wooster, Ohio, Gambier, Ohio, and Richmond, Indiana instead of San Antonio, Texas and Memphis, Tennessee.
So long until the season starts.....................
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashDad on June 09, 2010, 04:10:14 PM
Recruiting advantage? Over who? Earlham?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2010, 04:44:04 PM
The release on the SCAC site was cited elsewhere.
http://www.scacsports.com/news/depauw_leaves_scac
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on June 09, 2010, 04:44:39 PM
Quote from: Fripp52 on June 09, 2010, 03:52:43 PM
This news awoke me from a long winter's nap.  All I have to say is, I am not happy with the decision.  I have enjoyed the SCAC the last three years and will again for one more year.  I texted my son who responded with the words "lame decision".  It does not directly impact him sinced he is done after this year.  I thought the SCAC was a recruiting advantage and an experiential positive.  Now the kids can spend an extra night at Wooster, Ohio, Gambier, Ohio, and Richmond, Indiana instead of San Antonio, Texas and Memphis, Tennessee.
So long until the season starts.....................

I'm sure Brian Casey would have had no problem staying put if you'd be willing to foot the bill for traveling to San Antonio and Memphis and Jackson and Atlanta and Colorado Springs....WOOOO!  

Seriously...if you want to visit and really get an "experiential positive" from going to a place like San Antonio, it isn't going to happen on an overnight game trip in October.  That's a business trip...not an immersion experience.  

The reality, I believe, is that once RHIT left it was no longer a matter of if DePauw went north again, but when.   The when was answered when Earlham found a new home and created opportunity.  I really believe that most people would have been more surprised if DePauw didn't become the 10th member of the NCAC than if they did.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2010, 04:53:03 PM
Fripp, to be fair, for every one who liked being able to travel all over the place, there is likely another who thought it took too much away from time to study.   Students who like the former may give the nod to other SCAC schools, those preferring the latter, DePauw (or other NCAC schools).  Either viewpoint is certainly valid.

When you look at time and money spent by to participate combined with the huge endowment losses over the last months (some possibly since recouped), the monetary aspect of being part of the SCAC has to be considered along with the time factor.   And, as Wally said, DePauw was on an island without a decent travel partner once RHIT left, making matters worse. 

I'm glad your son enjoyed the SCAC and will have the chance to finish his career as part of the conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on June 09, 2010, 04:58:17 PM
Wally - to be clear, the football team always took an extra day for the Colorado and Texas trips to see the sites.  So, there was something more to it than a single overnight trip.  I do know that DPUs affiliation to the SCAC was a factor in him coming to DPU and others on the team.  Otherwise, he would have gone to Earlham - hahahaha. I understand the decision and all of the factors.  I just don't like it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 09, 2010, 06:09:13 PM
who knew depauw jumping to the ncac would set off the chain reaction. Nebraska joining the big 10, texas to the pac 10, big stuff. Maybe the scac and ncac can merge-ha. Since the scac board is meeting today, i would assume the depauw president is there maybe everything can be worked out with the 2011 schedule and the scac offering berry this week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2010, 06:09:34 PM
From the SCAC: "We are still discussing how we will handle DePauw and 2011 football scheduling."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 09, 2010, 08:34:19 PM

Fripp...I share your disappointment. While the move to the NCAC adds to the already incredible rivalry with Wabash (as if it could get much more intense), the football experience in the SCAC is very good. That is not meant to slight the NCAC in any way...and certainly not our worthy rivals to the north...but a sentiment that is shared by most if not all of the football program...players and coaches.
The travel piece of the SCAC is part of the football experience and the recruiting pitch. My guess is the staff is not thrilled about telling incoming freshmen there has been "a change in plans." And Ron as for all the students who are upset by the travel in the SCAC....why in would any student-athlete choose DePauw knowing that travel is part of the package?  Do you really think that for every player who likes it there is a player who doesn't? Sorry, not true. The bottom line, as many have pointed out, is money. Understandable.  Although I must admit I amost threw up in my mouth when I read the quote that the move provides "a more environmentally friendly travel regimen." What?
I have nothing but positives to say about the SCAC and wish the league and its members future success, at least after 2012:).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 09, 2010, 08:55:47 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on June 09, 2010, 04:44:39 PM
The reality, I believe, is that once RHIT left it was no longer a matter of if DePauw went north again, but when.   The when was answered when Earlham found a new home and created opportunity.  I really believe that most people would have been more surprised if DePauw didn't become the 10th member of the NCAC than if they did.  

This is a great point for 2 reasons.

1) Before RHIT left & Colorado joined, DePauw traveled more miles for athletics than every school at any level save 2: Wash U & Hawaii. With the add of CC, I'd guess DePauw is #2 now.

2) DePauw shafted the rest of the ICAC for a few reasons, but the main reason was that Bob Bottoms was college roomates (@BSC, I think) with the President of Millsaps at the time. All along, I felt DePauw would be out of this conference within 3 years of Bottoms being gone. I had hoped for the NCAC, and I'm thrilled to have it and not something considerably worse.

One final thought on football recruiting, DePauw is now in the Ohio conversation. Yes, they'll be fighting a lot of others for those kids, but DePauw hasn't really been in that conversation in the last decade. I think getting 9 or 10 Ohio kids beats the 1 or 2 Texas kids most years.

I loved the travel as much as anybody, but I side with Wally. Those are business trips. DePauw hasn't always treated them as such, and in my honest opinion, maybe they should have. I love Memphis. I love San Antonio. But, now that those are gone, we ought to start treating Springfield, Ohio just like Anderson, Indiana or Holland, Michigan. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: fantastic50 on June 09, 2010, 09:34:33 PM
Quote from: Fripp52 on June 09, 2010, 03:52:43 PM
Now the kids can spend an extra night at Wooster, Ohio, Gambier, Ohio, and Richmond, Indiana instead of San Antonio, Texas and Memphis, Tennessee.

Personally, I hope that DePauw's football team has exactly that attitude the first time they visit the Scots, wishing that they were elsewhere.  Wooster would be happy to take advantage of that distraction.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 09, 2010, 10:11:50 PM
Quotewho knew depauw jumping to the ncac would set off the chain reaction. Nebraska joining the big 10, texas to the pac 10, big stuff.

very good  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on June 09, 2010, 10:23:13 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on June 09, 2010, 08:34:19 PM

Fripp...I share your disappointment. While the move to the NCAC adds to the already incredible rivalry with Wabash (as if it could get much more intense), the football experience in the SCAC is very good. That is not meant to slight the NCAC in any way...and certainly not our worthy rivals to the north...but a sentiment that is shared by most if not all of the football program...players and coaches.

I think you'll find that the football in the NCAC isn't quite as bad as many think.  Yes, the bottom of the league can be really bad and that seems to carry more weight with casual observers than what's happening at the top of the league.  But with Earlham out and DePauw now in, that one move I think changes the dynamic.  Wabash, Wittenberg, DePauw, Allegheny (quietly went 8-2 last year), and Wooster are now a very clear top half of the league and those five should all be playing one another every season.  OWU is a good program just waiting for resuscitation...but we'll worry about that when it happens.  As it stands, there are five pretty good programs and it won't be easy for anybody to win the league.  Yes, you're probably going to get a couple of games against way overmatched opponents, but I think for the most part once you get to see the league, you'll find that it isn't as bad as many think. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 10, 2010, 10:55:11 AM
D3_DPU, I guess I wasn't clear.  Obviously, the student-athletes currently in the pipeline either find the travel a plus or can deal with it ... but there are a lot of other student-athletes out there (e.g., at schools in more close-knit conferences) who don't consider the SCAC travel a plus, at least not enough to select a SCAC school over one in another conference.   Kids who want  southern travel as part of their college experience will go elsewhere, but some kids that wouldn't have considered DPU because of the stress of all that travel will now consider it. 

Change always sucks for those who are in the middle of the process.  The kids (and parents) who come after won't care, because they will have made their selection knowing that DPU is going to be happily ensconced in the NCAC.    And besides - continued success will lead to travel in the playoffs, anyway ... paid for by our good friends at the NCAA.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 10, 2010, 11:21:06 AM
QuoteD3_DPU, I guess I wasn't clear.  Obviously, the student-athletes currently in the pipeline either find the travel a plus or can deal with it ... but there are a lot of other student-athletes out there (e.g., at schools in more close-knit conferences) who don't consider the SCAC travel a plus, at least not enough to select a SCAC school over one in another conference.   Kids who want  southern travel as part of their college experience will go elsewhere, but some kids that wouldn't have considered DPU because of the stress of all that travel will now consider it. 

Change always sucks for those who are in the middle of the process.  The kids (and parents) who come after won't care, because they will have made their selection knowing that DPU is going to be happily ensconced in the NCAC.    And besides - continued success will lead to travel in the playoffs, anyway ... paid for by our good friends at the NCAA.

Thanks for clarifying...I agree with that. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on June 17, 2010, 02:45:17 AM
Hungry for anything anyone can provide about TU outlook for this season.  Been overseas and underway for a couple years.  Hard to keep up.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 19, 2010, 09:54:19 PM

Welcome back, Navy.  It turns out that you picked two of the best years to miss, as Trinity has not won the SCAC in 3 of the last 4 seasons.  That isn't to say that they've bottomed out or anything, but the potency and the clear athletic superiority is pretty much a thing of the past.  The Tigers win most of their games because of very good preparation and the fact that they are good about getting their best players in position to make plays. 

The punter (Trellas) is amazing as is the kicker (Biel), and the return game seems like a real threat these days (Urban). 

Defensively, TU loses some good players but most of them are back from what was last year a functional though not stellar unit.  That said, Coach Inco doesn't have much size in the first two levels.  There are guys on the defensive line that in previous years may have better suited as linebackers.  Experience is in the Tigers' favor, and the players are pretty doggone smart, so the group should be enough to give them the upper hand in most of their games this fall.  Centre's running game should not be a very good match up for the Tigers with their big ball carrier, Pinque, but the conference isn't really full of guys like him. 

Offensively, they'll try to get the ball to Caleb Urban in as many ways as possible.  He takes handoffs, he catches passes, he throws passes and he is faster than the wind.  The running back, Al Furlow, is very good despite not ever really having carried the load before.  The Tigers will definitely miss Chris Baer at that position, but Furlow is a little quicker with more of a breakaway burst.  Three guys started at quarterback last year, but none of them has the position locked up.  Bert Davidson finished the season well and I think threw only one interception, but none of them are as gifted as some of the guys we've seen in the past.  The O Line has some young guys and hopefully they've gained some size because they were not an intimidating bunch on sight, but seemed to control the LOS in most of the games last year.  Tito Hong, I believe his name is, started every game as a freshman, which could be a good or bad indicator.

In short, we are not head and shoulders above the rest of the league anymore.  Every game is a fight, but with Millsaps and DePauw having had some key losses, it's not unthinkable that Trinity could run the table again.  It's going to be very competitive and we'll get a great look at what kind of fight the Tigers have in them.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 21, 2010, 06:01:30 PM
That was an excellent post.  The SCAC is going to be a real dogfight next year with at least half of the teams having a legitimate shot at the top spot.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 23, 2010, 08:58:02 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: D3Navy and TU2698)


NSF: Navy and 2698

How many times do I need to say it?  Not-So-Fast.  If either or both of you are near campus on Aug. 12th, stop by for Reporting Day and some real surprises. IMHO it's way more than just re-loading; it's re-claiming lost territory (lots of it). As I have mentioned several times before; Saint Nick will be there (should be fun).


                                                                         :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 24, 2010, 07:01:21 PM

With the caveat that pre season polls mean little...DePauw is #25 in the USA Today Sports Weekly DIII poll.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 24, 2010, 08:39:33 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: frank_ezelle)


Frank,
I forgot your comment; how could I?  My comment: "Frank for 2010, guess again".


                                                                       :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 25, 2010, 12:11:55 AM
Anyone hear anything about whether the SCAC will count DPU's 2011 games as in-conference ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 25, 2010, 12:31:06 AM
I've heard nothing official but I would personally be surprised if the SCAC allowed DePauw to stick around and compete for its 2011 football title. It's a shame the NCAC football schedule is such a mess that it can't integrate DePauw sooner.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 25, 2010, 08:58:40 AM

BTW, Pat...nice job (as always) with the preview piece you wrote for USA Today Sports Weekly.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on June 25, 2010, 11:03:41 AM
Any link to that piece?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 25, 2010, 11:44:33 AM
DPUFan: Thanks.

Tacttm1: No, I don't believe USA Today puts the contents of its preseason college football publication online. It's in stores now. (Typically I've found it's easiest to find these things at gas station/convenience stores.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 25, 2010, 12:45:37 PM
QuoteTacttm1: No, I don't believe USA Today puts the contents of its preseason college football publication online. It's in stores now. (Typically I've found it's easiest to find these things at gas station/convenience stores.)

I think that's correct. Here in Indiana, CVS stores typically have them, usually in the newspaper rack along with USA Today and local papers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 25, 2010, 01:01:03 PM
Expecting people to pay for content ... how 20th century.   ;)

Seriously, glad to see that.  Too many media outlets give everything away and then wonder why they end up going out of business.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on June 25, 2010, 02:20:25 PM
I ain't bein' cheap...just tryin to get a quicker view.

I'll look for a 'hard copy' at the newsstand later this evening!!  Pat, can you sign my copy? lol!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 25, 2010, 02:26:14 PM
I could if you were really interested in devaluing it. :)

The ranking has been posted already. USA Today doesn't do an All-American team, so it's just a handful of players to watch. There's a feature story (how did D3 get so purple? -- an examination of how the rich keep getting richer, with input from UWW, MTU and more) and capsule previews on a handful of teams, then the ranking.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bombers798891 on June 25, 2010, 08:17:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 25, 2010, 11:44:33 AM
DPUFan: Thanks.

Tacttm1: No, I don't believe USA Today puts the contents of its preseason college football publication online. It's in stores now. (Typically I've found it's easiest to find these things at gas station/convenience stores.)

You can also order the special editions of sports weekly from their site
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 25, 2010, 08:48:05 PM
Item 1:  I guess we've reached that point in the summer where the Trinity people post comments alluding to the fact that this year's incoming class will be the best ever for the Tigers.  It seems like these post come up every summer.

Item 2:  I wonder what this huge financial blow at Birmingham Southern will do to their athletics:

http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/06/financial_aid_error_costs_birm.html
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on June 26, 2010, 12:19:22 AM
I'm IN for the GREAT year for TU football!!!!!!!rWalk

ETG....  the RiverWalk CAN'T handle the traffic.....  let them find out for themselves!

PS  Frank, we ALL appreciate your contributions to MC sports and SCAC and D3,,, please... come to SAT and see what ETG and I are talking about!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on July 05, 2010, 01:18:13 PM
Does anyone know what report day for fall camp is?  I cannot wait for the new season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1837Tigers on July 13, 2010, 02:47:40 PM
Monon Bell Classic on HDNet for 3 more years...

http://www.depauw.edu/news/?id=25550
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 13, 2010, 03:58:55 PM

QuoteMonon Bell Classic on HDNet for 3 more years...

http://www.depauw.edu/news/?id=25550

Good news.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on July 13, 2010, 09:38:25 PM
Sewanee 2010 newcomers,

http://sewaneetigers.com/news/2010/7/12/FB_0712105738.aspx?path=football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 14, 2010, 08:30:47 AM
SCAC places four on the D3football.com preseason All-America (http://www.d3football.com/tow/10/preallamericans.htm) squads:

First Team
WR - Alex Koors, Sr., DePauw
LB - Will Hawkins, Sr., Millsaps

Second Team
K - Garrett Biel, So., Trinity (Texas)
P - Kyle Trella, So., Trinity (Texas)

Biel and Trella are two of only three sophomores on the squad.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1837Tigers on July 14, 2010, 12:22:12 PM
Nick Mourouzis Shares Monon Bell Memories:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DNe2-kgu4M
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on July 14, 2010, 07:53:22 PM
I went to my first DIII football games last fall, and have been wondering about something ever since ... is there any rhyme or reason as to whether a school charges admission to games or not? For example, is it something as simple as each school's particular philosophy, or does it have more to do with whether a school needs all the revenue it can get to pay for better facilities?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 14, 2010, 08:51:18 PM
Yes.

There are schools that have free admission to everything (except playoff games, where the NCAA mandates an admission charge); schools that charge for just football, and schools that charge for an assortment of sports.  It's up to the individual school to determine what it wants to do in this regard.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 14, 2010, 09:22:33 PM
Welcome to the boards, Navidad!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on July 15, 2010, 07:23:45 AM
SCAC release Pre Season All Americans

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/releases/d3football_preseason_allamericans
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 16, 2010, 09:33:47 AM
QuoteSCAC places four on the D3football.com preseason All-America squads:

First Team
WR - Alex Koors, Sr., DePauw
LB - Will Hawkins, Sr., Millsaps

Second Team
K - Garrett Biel, So., Trinity (Texas)
P - Kyle Trella, So., Trinity (Texas)

Biel and Trella are two of only three sophomores on the squad.

Congratulations to all of the SCAC representatives!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 18, 2010, 05:43:07 AM
Quote from: 33Belly on July 05, 2010, 01:18:13 PM
Does anyone know what report day for fall camp is?  I cannot wait for the new season.

According to TrinityTigers.com, TU reports on August 12th.  Not sure if that would be a league-wide date, but it probably depends upon whether the teams participated in Spring practices or Spring/Summer exhibition games or trips.

A big CONGRATULATIONS to Garrett Biel and Kyle Trella, Trinity's pre-season D3Football All-Americans.  Both young man had remarkable seasons, leading the nation in field goals and punts as first-years for the Tigers.  Best wishes for another great year launching that pigskin, men!

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 18, 2010, 10:50:07 AM
The date at which teams can report to summer camp depends on the date of the first game and the first day of classes, so it's not uniform across every school or even every school that plays a game in Week 1.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on July 18, 2010, 01:18:15 PM
DePauw reports on the 16th
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on July 20, 2010, 10:01:10 AM
Talk of reporting dates for these schools reminds me, for some reason, of comments I heard from a defensive lineman who transferred from a Division I FCS school to a Division III school. At the Division I school practice, he said, the talk among the linebackers behind him mostly centered on "sex, drugs, and rock and roll." At one of his first Division III practices, he noted, the talk among the linebackers centered on the performance of the player's mutual funds.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 22, 2010, 11:12:55 PM
Welcome to the board, Navidad.

Nice start ... +1.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 23, 2010, 05:23:51 AM
first and ten roos?   :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 23, 2010, 07:57:29 AM
The economy and irregularities discovered last spring continue to hit Birmingham-Southern hard (http://www.cbs42.com/content/localnews/story/Financial-troubles-force-university-to-make/n3WktK7TjkGQgaCBK2HB_g.cspx?rss=1659).  Surprisingly, given the scope of the announcement, no impact to athletics:




During the past two weeks, Birmingham-Southern has moved forward with some decisions directly tied to addressing the college's finances. The first phase of the long-term plan to address the financial shortfall discovered this spring and to counter the continuing effects of the current economic downturn was announced last week. This included a reduction in force of staff members, as well as salary and benefit cuts for the remaining faculty and staff that will save approximately $6 million this fiscal year.

[...]

The decisions on changes to academic programs and personnel have now been made, and the college will be implementing the following:

· Phasing out five majors: Accounting, Computer Science, Dance, French, and German, effective with the 2011-12 academic year;

· Modification of our Music Program, effective with the 2011-12 academic year; and

· Reduction of 12 faculty positions, effective with the 2010-11 academic year, and 17 faculty positions, effective with the 2011-12 academic year.


[...]

These academic program changes will provide nearly $3 million in budget relief over the next two years and will directly affect only about 10 percent of the overall student body.

[...]




Very surprising to see programs like accounting and computer science get eliminated in this day and age.   This comes on top of an a recent announcement (http://blog.al.com/spotnews/2010/07/birmingham-southern_college_la.html) of a 10% pay cut, two-week furloughs, and elimination of a total of 65 staff positions, including layoffs of 51.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on July 23, 2010, 11:38:35 PM
Ron, your comments about Birmingham Southern doing away with accounting and computer science programs (especially computer science) in this day and age mirror my thoughts too.  From what I read, several things were considered as the school tried to figure out what to cut to meet this fiscal crisis, including "relevancy to the liberal arts mission, relative program expense, extent to which the program is connected to the curriculum, the potential for future growth and development, and its impact on current students." Guess accounting and computer science didn't fare well at least under the first three of those criteria, but it's hard to see how sports (especially higher-cost sports) would escape any cuts too ... unless sports funding is already low enough not to attract attention, or is something that produces a net gain in revenues and/or PR value. It would be interesting to hear from someone closer to the situation ... is there anyone out there on this board?   

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 23, 2010, 11:52:47 PM
Just my conjecture, but BSC probably has 100 students that are directly related to football and another 40 that are there because BSC is a football school.

I will guess that the discount rate at BSC is 33% (and that might be very low).

I will guess that tuition, room board and fees runs $36K

http://www.petersons.com/college-search/birmingham-southern-college-cost-and-financial-aid-000_10000499_10003.aspx

$24K times 140 students = $3.360M.  Football doesn't cost that much.  It is a net revenue driver in that scenario.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 24, 2010, 06:47:44 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: BSC cuts)

Ralph, Navidad:
How much more can Birmingham Southern cut sports; within the past 4-5 years they already have cut all sports from Division I programs (Big South)? They did add football as a way of attracting more male students (probably female also). IMHO sports programs at BSC will remain steady for at least several more years.

                                                           ???

If you want to be Superman, you cannot sit and worry about Kryptonite!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on July 25, 2010, 09:03:23 PM
etg, I'm fairly new to DIII football and didn't know that BSC formerly played in DI. Guess that is quite a cutback already, and probably a good reason why they don't want to cut more in that area.

But all of this suggests another question ... what and how much does football "bring" to each SCAC school? What value can be placed on it for each school? Don't get me wrong, I'm asking only for purposes of discussion ...  I don't mean to suggest that they aren't valuable ... I like a good football game as much as anyone else, and always hate it when a school occasionally decides to cut its football program. But trying to look at DIII football really objectively, I don't see that it's often much like a DI FBS program at a big public university, serving as a focal point for alumni and attracting big donors, etc. Or does it serve such a role, but only on a smaller scale, and I'm too new to it to see that? And what other value might is also provide at this level?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 26, 2010, 10:13:04 AM
Just a few ideas:

1.  Many colleges have a substantial female-male imbalance.  Football is a way of drawing male students to address that gap.
2.  Many high school football players wish to continue playing in college but have academics rather than athletics as their primary focus.  They are even willing to pay for the privilege.  For many schools (maybe even most?) football brings in more revenue than it costs, as Ralph points out below.
3.  There are a lot of talented players who, for whatever reason (2" too short, 0.2 sec too slow) can't get a scholarship or even substantial playing time at the D1/2 levels.   D3 gives them the chance to continue their careers.   
4.  There are many parts of the country where it's simply expected that colleges have football teams.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on July 27, 2010, 09:08:43 AM
Some good points, Ron. Not to belabor the point more than desired on this board, but maybe a good way to approach the question is to imagine that we're creating a new, academically rigorous and nationally or at least regionally recognized university (academically speaking). So starting from scratch with that as our primary goal, would we see enough value -- to the university -- in a football program to establish one of those too?

But that said, hey, I'm looking forward to a great, interesting 2010 season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2010, 03:25:10 PM
Is there one correct answer to this question?  Not really, it depends on what any new institution's board wants to do.  There are boards who want nothing to do with football, other boards that recognize the value of competitive sports such as football.   Both choices are valid.

Given that there are many academically rigorous colleges offering football (and most if not all of the SCAC schools offering football are nationally or regionally recognized for their academics) my biased answer overall would be yes.  Athletes at these schools must, per NCAA regulations, meet the same admission standards as the rest of the student body and be treated no better than a non-athlete when it comes to financial aid including academic scholarships.  

Some kids come to a school because of its location, some due to family history, some because of programs of study, some for facilities - or, more realistically, a combination of these and many other factors.  There are a large number of students who have football as one of their selection factors, and to reach those kids, you have to offer them a place to play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: arktraveler on July 27, 2010, 06:57:18 PM
Addressing it purely as a business proposition (which I think Ralph was doing), of course we studied football pretty closely at Hendrix a few years back, including the financial case. I wasn't closely involved, but from the report at the end my basic conclusion is that football is financially something of a wash: You don't stand to make money from the extra students, but you probably don't lose much either. And I think the current state of affairs is pretty strong that the financial case would be strong one way or the other: If it were obvious, you wouldn't have a lot of schools with football and a lot without, nor would you have some schools adding or dropping football programs.

Looking specifically at Ralph's numbers, I saw somewhere that Birmingham-Southern actually nets about $10,300 in tuition per student. That may seem low - but remember that their problem is exactly that they've been awarding too much financial aid to students. I imagine it excludes room and board - though that's not really something that you should include since students literally eat that money up anyway.

You might say that that means 100 extra students brings in an extra $1,030,000 dollars that you wouldn't have otherwise - but those students also bring in extra costs. For one thing, most SCAC schools are pretty serious about preserving their faculty-student ratios, so if you bring in 100 students, you need to hire 8 professors - and if their total compensation averages $70K, you have to take $560,000 of that money right off the top. (Admittedly, having 8 extra professors allows you to add new programs that might bring in even more students.) It's harder to quantify the other expenses, but there are other expenses with taking care of those extra students, outside athletics.

Anyway, I don't remember all the costs that went into Hendrix's analysis - they talked a lot with other SCAC schools to see the actual expenses of a football program. But listening to the report, my conclusion was that the financial case wasn't compelling either way. Actually, if you include the startup cost of building the stadium and practice facilities, it looked very expensive. But Hendrix didn't include that in their financial analysis - they wanted to know about the cost of sustaining the program after they had found a donor to handle the startup costs.

That's not to say there aren't good reasons. Ron has several good points. The one about attracting men is a major one: Most small liberal arts colleges like the SCAC schools want to keep some gender balance, but in fact they skew female. A similar issue is racial diversity - whether having football helps to improve African-American representation is something that's controversial but at least possible.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on July 27, 2010, 11:36:41 PM
TU wins the SCAC this year.  Junior class is the largest in years. Most got a lot of experience as sophs last year.  It's going to be crazy fun. .
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 28, 2010, 09:00:40 AM
Welcome arktraveler!   If your contacts at Hendrix have any insight into the prognosis for the football program there, we'd sure like to hear it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on July 28, 2010, 09:31:32 AM

This isn't high school where the players improve by leaps and bounds every year due to physical growth.  What matters at the collegiate level is how many playmakers the team has.  If a lot of juniors are coming back for TU, that just means many of the same guys who made up the team last year are back.  The SCAC is wide open, at least in the top tier.  It would be nice if the Tigers won it, though.  You can never count them out of running the table.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 28, 2010, 01:36:08 PM
Welcome, arktraveler! Glad to have you on the boards!

Excellent analysis of the challenges that face Hendrix.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on July 28, 2010, 06:51:16 PM
Good points again, Ron, and excellent insights based on the Hendrix experience, arktraveler. You've probably summed up the issue as well as can be done here.

On to something else ... at the DIII level, does the less-intensive focus on football (i.e., fewer time demands on players, as compared to the DI or DII levels) allow for many -- or any -- dual-sports athletes? Or does the academic rigor of coursework keep many athletes from even attempting that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 28, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity Tiger 2010 season potential)

Tex, 2698:
I agree with both of your comments on the returning players for the Tigers this season. However, IMHO the Tigers will "run-the-table." So far, the recruting class has not been accounted for except for my few previous comments. I know Frank does not believe it, but this will be a great bunch of new players. As I have said before, on August 12th Saint Nick will be there (with a bunch more).


                                                              :)   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2010, 01:42:35 AM
Quote from: Navidad on July 28, 2010, 06:51:16 PM
Good points again, Ron, and excellent insights based on the Hendrix experience, arktraveler. You've probably summed up the issue as well as can be done here.

On to something else ... at the DIII level, does the less-intensive focus on football (i.e., fewer time demands on players, as compared to the DI or DII levels) allow for many -- or any -- dual-sports athletes? Or does the academic rigor of coursework keep many athletes from even attempting that?

I would say two-sport athletes are fairly common at the Division III level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 29, 2010, 09:15:32 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2010, 01:42:35 AM
Quote from: Navidad on July 28, 2010, 06:51:16 PM
Good points again, Ron, and excellent insights based on the Hendrix experience, arktraveler. You've probably summed up the issue as well as can be done here.

On to something else ... at the DIII level, does the less-intensive focus on football (i.e., fewer time demands on players, as compared to the DI or DII levels) allow for many -- or any -- dual-sports athletes? Or does the academic rigor of coursework keep many athletes from even attempting that?

I would say two-sport athletes are fairly common at the Division III level.
McMurry QB, and ASC (all around) Athlete of the Year and D3baseball.com HM All-American Outfielder Jake Mullin

http://www.ascsports.org/news/2010/6/18/FB_0618104741.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 29, 2010, 10:22:00 AM
Quote from: etg on July 28, 2010, 08:47:05 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity Tiger 2010 season potential)

Tex, 2698:
I agree with both of your comments on the returning players for the Tigers this season. However, IMHO the Tigers will "run-the-table." So far, the recruting class has not been accounted for except for my few previous comments. I know Frank does not believe it, but this will be a great bunch of new players. As I have said before, on August 12th Saint Nick will be there (with a bunch more).
                                                              :)   

I believe that Trinity brings in a quality recruiting class every year and I believe that Trinity is in the hunt for the SCAC crown every year.  I also believe the SCAC has far more depth than in the 1990's and early 2000's and that every year there will be several teams with legitimate hopes for the championship and the NCAA bid.  Scheduling helped DePauw's chances last year.  A key injury really hurt Centre's chances last year.  Millsaps was one play short of winning at DePauw and going to the NCAA Tournament.  The difference between winning and losing is becoming very slight.  A lot can and will happen this year and it appears unlikely that the SCAC Championship will be won in August when the teams report.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 29, 2010, 11:39:26 AM
QuoteI believe that Trinity brings in a quality recruiting class every year and I believe that Trinity is in the hunt for the SCAC crown every year.  I also believe the SCAC has far more depth than in the 1990's and early 2000's and that every year there will be several teams with legitimate hopes for the championship and the NCAA bid.  Scheduling helped DePauw's chances last year.  A key injury really hurt Centre's chances last year.  Millsaps was one play short of winning at DePauw and going to the NCAA Tournament.  The difference between winning and losing is becoming very slight.  A lot can and will happen this year and it appears unlikely that the SCAC Championship will be won in August when the teams report.

I think that's very true, Frank. The overall talent in the league combined with the travel make the conference a real challenge IMHO. As a DPU fan going to miss the league.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on July 29, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2010, 01:42:35 AM
Quote from: Navidad on July 28, 2010, 06:51:16 PM
Good points again, Ron, and excellent insights based on the Hendrix experience, arktraveler. You've probably summed up the issue as well as can be done here.

On to something else ... at the DIII level, does the less-intensive focus on football (i.e., fewer time demands on players, as compared to the DI or DII levels) allow for many -- or any -- dual-sports athletes? Or does the academic rigor of coursework keep many athletes from even attempting that?

I would say two-sport athletes are fairly common at the Division III level.
When my son was in high school, two factors seemed to be excellent indicators for predicting the success of the football team in district competition: 1) the success of the track team (which included many skill football players) the previous spring and 2) the number of seniors on the football team. So similarly, if dual-sport athletes are common in DIII, I wonder how many DIII football teams' skill players also run track, and if the success of the track team in DIII might also be a precursor to the success of the football team. And I'm wondering if the number of seniors (i.e., not any other level) on a DIII football team is really as good an indicator as it is in high school. Any thoughts and insights?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 29, 2010, 04:21:56 PM
Quote from: Navidad on July 29, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on July 29, 2010, 01:42:35 AM
Quote from: Navidad on July 28, 2010, 06:51:16 PM
Good points again, Ron, and excellent insights based on the Hendrix experience, arktraveler. You've probably summed up the issue as well as can be done here.

On to something else ... at the DIII level, does the less-intensive focus on football (i.e., fewer time demands on players, as compared to the DI or DII levels) allow for many -- or any -- dual-sports athletes? Or does the academic rigor of coursework keep many athletes from even attempting that?

I would say two-sport athletes are fairly common at the Division III level.
When my son was in high school, two factors seemed to be excellent indicators for predicting the success of the football team in district competition: 1) the success of the track team (which included many skill football players) the previous spring and 2) the number of seniors on the football team. So similarly, if dual-sport athletes are common in DIII, I wonder how many DIII football teams' skill players also run track, and if the success of the track team in DIII might also be a precursor to the success of the football team. And I'm wondering if the number of seniors (i.e., not any other level) on a DIII football team is really as good an indicator as it is in high school. Any thoughts and insights?
D-III Track has not specifically impacted D-III football in this part of the country. Perhaps McMurry has had the best record of using track/football to its best Track Advantage.

There was one football player on the 2008 National Championship team, Bert Green, on the relays.

Joint programs include McMurry, Sul Ross, Mississippi College, and HSU.  HPU used to have a good program.

I will appreciate the SCAC fans comments.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1837Tigers on July 29, 2010, 05:55:41 PM
History of DePauw Football, produced in 1994, now on YouTube (there are 6 parts-- 5 have posted today):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuQtwGkHR9w
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 29, 2010, 08:17:21 PM
QuoteHistory of DePauw Football, produced in 1994, now on YouTube (there are 6 parts-- 5 have posted today):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RuQtwGkHR9w

Nice...thank you!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: arktraveler on July 31, 2010, 04:23:20 PM
Ron, about the prospects for football at Hendrix... I've seen no substantive movement - no starts toward hiring coaches, no planning for the major athletic facility changes football would need. So I don't think it can possibly happen in 2011 (when do schools set their game schedules anyway?), and I'd be very surprised to see it for 2012. It seems the market problems came at exactly the wrong time - just as they got into a position to seek donors to fund the construction costs, it became much harder to find donors.

I'm beginning to suspect that it's a dead issue. One thing I'll be watching: In the coming year, Hendrix will plan and probably start building its new tennis facility, slated for the last bit of space in Hendrix's athletic complex. (All other sports have received completely new facilities in this complex since 2005 - well, except cross-country and golf, which aren't getting on-campus facilities.) In the football discussions, they proposed that this would be the place for a football practice field and the building where they would place football coaches' offices. I'll be watching to see whether there's even a hint that they're trying to maintain that expansion possibility. I'm not holding my breath.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 31, 2010, 11:34:00 PM
That's unfortunate, because they made it sound like Hendrix football was a done deal. They would be the only Division III school in the past decade to announce it was starting football and then fail to come through.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: arktraveler on August 01, 2010, 03:42:27 PM
Yeah, as I was reading up for my previous response, I looked back at the old news release about adding football, and I was surprised at how definite it sounded. That said, even there the key sentence included a caveat: "Trustees directed the college's administration to begin these sports contingent on raising start-up costs from external sources." That was in May 2008. I don't know whether Hendrix had any good leads then on what those external sources might be, but the market crash in October 2008 surely dried any up. As it is, Hendrix had to scramble to find donors for their "Student Life Center" which they had already started building. I suspect if the market had held up for another year, the picture would have been different.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 02, 2010, 07:10:16 PM
Here is a hard distinction for other SCAC programs to overcome:  DePauw ranked #10 party school in the US by Princeton Review (http://www.indystar.com/article/20100802/NEWS04/8020379/DePauw-breaks-into-party-school-ranks).

So now we have one more reason for the Greencastle crew leaving the SCAC;  we just didn't party hearty enough.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on August 03, 2010, 10:19:56 AM
My son sent me an email this morning with a link to the party school ranking.  He said his number one goal this season is to have DePauw's football ranking exceed the party school ranking.  That would be a nice accomplishment.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2010, 10:31:12 AM
Quote from: arktraveler on August 01, 2010, 03:42:27 PM
Yeah, as I was reading up for my previous response, I looked back at the old news release about adding football, and I was surprised at how definite it sounded. That said, even there the key sentence included a caveat: "Trustees directed the college's administration to begin these sports contingent on raising start-up costs from external sources." That was in May 2008. I don't know whether Hendrix had any good leads then on what those external sources might be, but the market crash in October 2008 surely dried any up. As it is, Hendrix had to scramble to find donors for their "Student Life Center" which they had already started building. I suspect if the market had held up for another year, the picture would have been different.

I found a column in the Log Cabin Democrat dated 4-19-2010 (http://thecabin.net/news/2010-04-19/mccollums-column-appetizers-%E2%80%94-hendrix-fortson-molder) which says, in part, "Hendrix still plans to add football at some point in the future, but only when enough funds are raised through private donations to fully support adding the sport, which is one of the most expensive to add."    So football at Hendrix isn't dead, just in deep hibernation ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 05, 2010, 08:05:36 AM
D3football.com pre-season Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2009/week-11) is out.  No SCAC school made the list; among other schools receiving votes, DePauw ("31st") and Trinity ("T38") were the only conference representatives. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 05, 2010, 12:24:57 PM
QuoteSo now we have one more reason for the Greencastle crew leaving the SCAC;  we just didn't party hearty enough.   

The truth has been uncovered.  ;D

QuoteMy son sent me an email this morning with a link to the party school ranking.  He said his number one goal this season is to have DePauw's football ranking exceed the party school ranking.  That would be a nice accomplishment.

I like the way he is thinking... ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 05, 2010, 03:07:23 PM
Austin College's season preview is up:

http://www.austincollege.edu/18551/2010-football-season-preview/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 05, 2010, 06:24:33 PM
Mentions the "new era" twice but to find out about the new offense, guess you'll have to buy Kickoff. :)

http://www.d3football.com/kickoff/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on August 06, 2010, 08:50:54 PM
Thinking of the upcoming season and about predictions of teams' success, I'm wondering if some programs perhaps are better able to retain more of their players over the entire period of their eligibility, and if that might be a key element in predicting team success on the field. I mean, since there are no football scholarships at DIII schools, but many DIII schools are know for their academic rigor, I would guess that a significant number of players give up on football at some point at many schools ... but maybe not so many in those schools that are most successful on the field. Probably no one keeps tracks of this, but I'd bet that the data would be interesting. Anyone have any thoughts or insights? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 06, 2010, 09:11:14 PM
The Fred Mitchell Award watch list is out.  The kicker from Millsaps, Taylor Russolino is on the list again this year.  Congrats to him.


http://www.fredmitchellaward.com/2010watchlist.pdf


Is it football time yet??? :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 06, 2010, 09:14:49 PM
Interesting thought -- the other question that comes to my mind is how you would separate the two parts of this chicken-egg scenario.

Do people continue to play football because the team is good, or is the team good because people continue to play football?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 07, 2010, 02:32:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 06, 2010, 09:14:49 PM
Interesting thought -- the other question that comes to my mind is how you would separate the two parts of this chicken-egg scenario.

Do people continue to play football because the team is good, or is the team good because people continue to play football?

I think I can recall exactly one case at DePauw over the last 10 or so years in which a player who contributed regularly decided he wanted to take his ball and go home.

To me, people COME to play football because the team is good.  The team then goes on to keep being good because those kids play all four years.

That said, DePauw sees a lot of attrition just like other schools, but those are mostly the young pups who either realize that scout team sucks or that college is a lot more fun without 30 hours a week of football for 5 months.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 08, 2010, 03:30:35 PM
Trinity T38??????  Ok, I'll predict a much higher finish....  say top 10?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2010, 03:38:19 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on August 07, 2010, 02:32:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 06, 2010, 09:14:49 PM
Interesting thought -- the other question that comes to my mind is how you would separate the two parts of this chicken-egg scenario.

Do people continue to play football because the team is good, or is the team good because people continue to play football?

I think I can recall exactly one case at DePauw over the last 10 or so years in which a player who contributed regularly decided he wanted to take his ball and go home.

Except I believe this discussion is about the exact opposite situation, someone who doesn't contribute sticking around.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DePauw05 on August 08, 2010, 05:37:12 PM
When does the pre-season poll come out?  Anyone have a sense for the favorite(s)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 08, 2010, 06:32:08 PM
Quote from: DePauw05 on August 08, 2010, 05:37:12 PM
When does the pre-season poll come out?  Anyone have a sense for the favorite(s)?

If you mean the SCAC coaches' poll, it came out on the 20th of August last year, so if they keep the same timing it will be the 19th.

Favorites -

DPU, won it all last year, going want to leave the SCAC on a high note, but they have a big hole to plug at QB.

Trinity, because they're always in the hunt
Millsaps - hard to say with new coaching staff but you think the success of the last few years will carry over this season
Centre - 5-2 in conference each of the last two years
Birmingham-Southern - It finally counts this season.  They're very successful in other sports, football less so the last couple of years but could surprise as they had to rebuild after the first-year coach brought in a bunch of guys who weren't real B-SC material and had to start over.  Pat says nope, not 'til next year.

The best answers, though, will be found in Kickoff (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff), coming soon to a monitor near you (and half-price 40% off from .edu email addresses).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 09, 2010, 09:50:15 AM
Hmm .. this will not help:  Al Furlow, Trinity's leading returning RB, has transferred to D2 Incarnate Word per a story in today's Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/uiws_rios_ready_to_fight_for_job_100237659.html?c=y&page=2#storytop) (p.2).  The remaining backs combined for less than 100 yards last year.

EDIT:  Furlow's stats from last year were not huge, 289 yds/3 TDs on 68 carries (3.9 ypc), 141 yds receiving on 15 catches.  Still, never good to lose someone who knows the system. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 09, 2010, 11:13:00 AM
He was a good little runner, too.  Liked what I saw from him in Greencastle last year.  He played a significant number of snaps in that game.  Very speedy little guy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 09, 2010, 03:35:17 PM
Pick the SCAC winner on the D3football.com front page poll (http://www.d3football.com/).   Choices are Centre, DePauw, Millsaps, Trinity, other. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on August 09, 2010, 05:23:23 PM
These are all good insights, but in starting the discussion, I pretty much meant the persistence or retention (whichever you want to call it) of all players, whether they are contributing at the time or not. You never know when someone is going to get the knowledge/expertise/confidence to start contributing in the future, so if we limit this discussion only to players who are already contributing in a big way and then leave, we may be missing some of the ingredients.

Yes, the best players probably do go to the historically successful teams, but success is often cyclical over the years. Teams on top don't often stay there forever, and it's not unheard of for a team not near the top to rise up and become more successful. In these cases, I would bet that player retention -- through their entire eligibility -- is a major factor over time. Of course, I have no data to back that up. We need to get some enterprising students working on determining whether such a correlation (or better yet, a cause and effect) exists!

Of course, I would guess that coaching staffs might have something to do with team success too. Right?


Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 08, 2010, 03:38:19 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on August 07, 2010, 02:32:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 06, 2010, 09:14:49 PM
Interesting thought -- the other question that comes to my mind is how you would separate the two parts of this chicken-egg scenario.

Do people continue to play football because the team is good, or is the team good because people continue to play football?

I think I can recall exactly one case at DePauw over the last 10 or so years in which a player who contributed regularly decided he wanted to take his ball and go home.

Except I believe this discussion is about the exact opposite situation, someone who doesn't contribute sticking around.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1837Tigers on August 10, 2010, 08:17:48 AM
2007 Monon Bell hero Jordan Havercamp has been cast in an upcoming Kurt Russell movie:

http://www.depauw.edu/news/?id=25623
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 10, 2010, 08:19:55 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 09, 2010, 09:50:15 AM
Hmm .. this will not help:  Al Furlow, Trinity's leading returning RB, has transferred to D2 Incarnate Word per a story in today's Express-News (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/uiws_rios_ready_to_fight_for_job_100237659.html?c=y&page=2#storytop) (p.2).  The remaining backs combined for less than 100 yards last year.

EDIT:  Furlow's stats from last year were not huge, 289 yds/3 TDs on 68 carries (3.9 ypc), 141 yds receiving on 15 catches.  Still, never good to lose someone who knows the system. 


Hmm... that sucks.  But, we've got some good guys ready to step in. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 11, 2010, 02:50:29 PM
It is one more year before Birmingham-Southern counts, by the way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on August 13, 2010, 07:13:31 PM
Although I have the administrator's okay for doing this, I'm still a little hesistant, but will go ahead anyway ... and offer information to anyone interested about my new book, titled Beyond Friday Nights: College Football Recruiting for Players and Parents. No, it's not specifically about DIII football, but certainly includes the advantages of playing at that level. For more info, go to www.raygrasshoff.com/college-football-recruiting.html. And please spread the word if so inclined. Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 16, 2010, 07:49:14 PM
Re:  Millsaps --  Is there an SID in place?  I maen, hasn't football practice started and yet not a single release or update on their website?  Most of the news their is from May (in most sports, not just football.)  Hawkins (LB) makes D3 pre-season team and Russolino (K) gets on Fred Mitchell list and nothing posted.  Last year I seem to remember updates about camp, reports, etc.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 16, 2010, 10:05:50 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on August 16, 2010, 07:49:14 PM
Re:  Millsaps --  Is there an SID in place?  I maen, hasn't football practice started and yet not a single release or update on their website?  Most of the news their is from May (in most sports, not just football.)  Hawkins (LB) makes D3 pre-season team and Russolino (K) gets on Fred Mitchell list and nothing posted.  Last year I seem to remember updates about camp, reports, etc.      

The sports information page (http://gomajors.com/sports/2008/12/30/QuickFacts.aspx?tab=sportsinformation) says that Michael Nienaber, Christian Brothers '04, is the SID.  Email contact there if you want to ask him any questions.  Mr. Nienaber was formerly a graduate assistant for media relations at Delta State (http://www.deltastate.edu/PDFFiles/Michael%20Nienaber%20MSCD%20Bio1.pdf) and last year was Assistant SID at Birmingham-Southern. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2010, 12:30:30 AM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on August 16, 2010, 07:49:14 PM
Re:  Millsaps --  Is there an SID in place?  I maen, hasn't football practice started and yet not a single release or update on their website?  Most of the news their is from May (in most sports, not just football.)  Hawkins (LB) makes D3 pre-season team and Russolino (K) gets on Fred Mitchell list and nothing posted.  Last year I seem to remember updates about camp, reports, etc.     

My understanding from talking to Aaron Pelch for Kickoff was that he should have started last Monday.

Starting less than a week before camp opens is an SID's nightmare. I wonder how much work was done on the media guide.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2010, 10:22:34 AM
Since we're still waiting for anything related to football ... might as well throw this out.  The annual US News college rankings (http://premium.usnews.com/best-colleges) were just published - SCAC schools were all ranked, as follows:  


Worth noting that US News changed their tier structure this year.  All SCAC schools are "Tier 1", but "Tier 1" has been expanded from representing the top 25% of ranked institutions to the top 75%... grade inflation hits US News, too!   Guarantee that you will see releases from some schools (not necessarily SCAC schools) saying "XYZ college named to US News Tier 1 for first time ever!" as a result.  

There are 189 Tier 1 schools  in the National Liberal Arts category - so top 25% would be the first 63.   The top 10 NLACs, btw, are Williams, Amherst, Swarthmore, Middlebury, Wellesley, Bowdoin, Pomona, Carleton, Davidson, and Haverford.  

One has to imagine that the only reason Trinity is the only "regional" SCAC school is that they want to be there so they can keep saying they've been #1 for the last 15+ years.  Southwestern was considered regional until 5-6 years ago.  Will be interesting to see if this changes under the new president who has said he wants Trinity to play nationally.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 17, 2010, 01:49:01 PM
DePauw second out of all Indiana schools on that list, which is a nice thing to have.  Notre Dame 19, Purdue 56, Wabash 58.  Franklin awarded 10th on the Midwest Colleges list.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on August 17, 2010, 03:50:26 PM
Isn't Trinity on the U.S. News & World Report "Regional" list because it offers master's degree programs in addition to baccalaureate degree programs? That's what I had thought, but could be wrong ... don't know if other SCAC schools or Southwestern offer master's degrees.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2010, 10:22:34 AM

One has to imagine that the only reason Trinity is the only "regional" SCAC school is that they want to be there so they can keep saying they've been #1 for the last 15+ years.  Southwestern was considered regional until 5-6 years ago.  Will be interesting to see if this changes under the new president who has said he wants Trinity to play nationally.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2010, 04:19:33 PM
From the US News site:

National Liberal Arts Colleges. The 266 national liberal arts colleges emphasize undergraduate education and award at least 50 percent of their degrees in the liberal arts.

Regional Universities. Like the national universities, regional universities (as defined by the Carnegie Foundation as universities-master's) provide a full range of undergraduate programs and some master's level programs. They offer few, if any, doctoral programs. The 572 regional universities are ranked within four geographic areas: North, South, Midwest, and West.


You could make a case that if all the other SCAC schools can be classed as NLACs, so could Trinity, because it certainly emphasizes undergraduate education.  Sewanee has a doctoral program; Hendrix, a graduate business program; Austin and Colorado College, a graduate program in Education; BSC, several graduate programs.  There may be others.  What I don't know is if 50+% of the degrees at TU are granted in the liberal arts.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on August 17, 2010, 07:59:35 PM
Good info. Looks like the type of degrees awarded (liberal arts vs. others) at Trinity must the difference, but I can't find good stats on the Trinity website or on the websites of the Independent Colleges and Universities of Texas or the Texas Higher Education Coordinating Board to be sure about that.

On another front, the new Trinity president's apparently strong support of athletics should be a shot in the arm for the football program in coming years.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2010, 04:19:33 PM
From the US News site:

National Liberal Arts Colleges. The 266 national liberal arts colleges emphasize undergraduate education and award at least 50 percent of their degrees in the liberal arts.

Regional Universities. Like the national universities, regional universities (as defined by the Carnegie Foundation as universities-master's) provide a full range of undergraduate programs and some master's level programs. They offer few, if any, doctoral programs. The 572 regional universities are ranked within four geographic areas: North, South, Midwest, and West.


You could make a case that if all the other SCAC schools can be classed as NLACs, so could Trinity, because it certainly emphasizes undergraduate education.  Sewanee has a doctoral program; Hendrix, a graduate business program; Austin and Colorado College, a graduate program in Education; BSC, several graduate programs.  There may be others.  What I don't know is if 50+% of the degrees at TU are granted in the liberal arts.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2010, 11:03:17 AM
SCAC coaches' preseason poll (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/releases/2010_predicted__order_finish) is out.

1    DePauw University Tigers    44 (4)    
2    Centre College Colonels     41 (2)    
3    Trinity University Tigers   33            
4    Millsaps College Majors     32 (1)    
5    Austin College Kangaroos    20            
6    Rhodes College Lynx         15            
7    Sewanee: UoS Tigers         11

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 18, 2010, 11:19:29 AM
QuoteSCAC coaches' preseason poll is out.

1    DePauw University Tigers    44 (4)   
2    Centre College Colonels     41 (2)   
3    Trinity University Tigers   33           
4    Millsaps College Majors     32 (1)   
5    Austin College Kangaroos    20           
6    Rhodes College Lynx         15           
7    Sewanee: UoS Tigers         11

Wow how the mighty have fallen...the Majors #4!  :o


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 18, 2010, 12:36:34 PM
Four teams separated by 12 points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 18, 2010, 12:52:54 PM
QuoteFour teams separated by 12 points.

Astute observation as always, Pat.  ;) Yes I did notice that...and I really think it will be another dog fight in the conference, especially as you look at where games are being played...the Greencastle Tigers, for example, playing Centre, Trinity and Millsaps on the road...yikes!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 18, 2010, 01:02:22 PM
Pre-season picks are exactly what one should expect.  DePauw gets the #1 nod because they were the NCAA Tournament rep last year--that pattern gets repeated a lot in these SCAC pre-season polls.  Centre at #2 has three home games against the other members of the supposed top 4.  Trinity has two homes games and Millsaps one against the others in this four team group.

As for Millsaps, they will have an inexperienced quarterback and a first time head coach so they obviously have question marks.  They also have a lot of talent coming back, assuming that there aren't too many big surprises when the 2010 roster is released.  It's going to be a very interesting season at Millsaps and throughout the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2010, 05:12:15 PM
Trinity season preview (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2010-11/releases/8-17-2010_Football_Luncheon) is up.  Total of 100 kids, 45 55 returning and 55 45 new.  And in a sign that things may be changing, new TU prez Ahlberg actually welcomed the team to campus.  I don't know if his predecessor ever said 'boo' to any of the athletic squads.  

SO ready for Kickoff and for the season to get underway ...

edit:  got the returning/new #s backwards, this looks better!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 18, 2010, 08:12:42 PM
Thanks to Frank for some insight on the Majors.  I did reach out to the SID, but no replies.  With 17 days before the first game, sure would be nice to have a few specifics to chew on.

There is a rumor Juan Joseph has been granted one more semester of eligibility and will be the starting QB.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 18, 2010, 08:47:23 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity Tigers #38 D3.football.com Preseason Poll?)



Ron,
Will Kickoff also have the Trinity Tigers rated #38 for the 2010 season?  If so, that is ridiculous, as is the Preseason Poll. They certainly are not in the top 10 yet, but should be in the top 25.


                                                                :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 18, 2010, 08:56:33 PM
QuoteThey (Trinity) certainly are not in the top 10 yet, but should be in the top 25.

Why?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 18, 2010, 09:16:27 PM
I don't think there's much insight to provide right now on Millsaps, either from me or the SID.  The MS College game on 9/4 will give us some insight, as will the LaGrange game on 9/11.  Let's remember that Coach DuBose's first team looked absolutely terrible for a few games as he was making big changes to the Millsaps system.  The important thing for Millsaps is to be playing well when Austin College comes to town 9/18 and then when Millsaps travels to Trinity on 9/25.

Regarding the SID position at Millsaps, I saw first hand in recent years just how much time and effort is required in that position.  Last year Millsaps had an experienced SID with a summer to prepare for 2009-10, plus an assistant SID.  This year we have a new guy coming in right before the season, having to learn the ropes mostly on his own, and he has no assistant.  Let's not expect the volume and quality of output that we have had in the past.  That's not fair to the new SID.

Regarding the upcoming season, I'll probably be an interested reader this year instead of being an active participant.  The last five or six years of taking photos and reporting on the Majors have been both rewarding and difficult.  The time has come when there is simply nothing left in the tank both mentally and physically to do this project for another year.  I need a very long break to get my life back in order.  I'll still keep up with the Majors and the SCAC, but it will be from a distance.  It's time for some of the young bloods to come in and bang the drum for the Majors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 18, 2010, 09:43:44 PM
QuoteRegarding the upcoming season, I'll probably be an interested reader this year instead of being an active participant.  The last five or six years of taking photos and reporting on the Majors have been both rewarding and difficult.  The time has come when there is simply nothing left in the tank both mentally and physically to do this project for another year.  I need a very long break to get my life back in order.  I'll still keep up with the Majors and the SCAC, but it will be from a distance.  It's time for some of the young bloods to come in and bang the drum for the Majors.

Thank you for all you do, Frank. I'm obviously a long way from Jackson and my only connection to the Majors is when they play DPU and in the course of the SCAC season...but it's people like you who make the DIII experience that much more special for student-athletes and their families...hats off to you!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 18, 2010, 11:47:33 PM
Quote from: etg on August 18, 2010, 08:47:23 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Trinity Tigers #38 D3.football.com Preseason Poll?)



Ron,
Will Kickoff also have the Trinity Tigers rated #38 for the 2010 season?  If so, that is ridiculous, as is the Preseason Poll. They certainly are not in the top 10 yet, but should be in the top 25.


                                                                :)

Ask someone connected with Kickoff.  My contribution to that noble cause in the last three years is exactly one capsule preview, and nothing this year.

Given that we haven't won a playoff game since 2002 and have only one SCAC (co-)championship since 2006, why is it 'ridiculous' for the team to be ranked where it is?   What has changed to make Trinity relevant on the national scene again?   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 19, 2010, 09:25:37 AM
I'm with ETG..... The Tigers are coming, the Tigers are coming, and I don't think a 'Spudless', exit stage right, DPU can stop them!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on August 19, 2010, 09:34:04 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2010, 04:19:33 PM
You could make a case that if all the other SCAC schools can be classed as NLACs, so could Trinity, because it certainly emphasizes undergraduate education.  Sewanee has a doctoral program; Hendrix, a graduate business program; Austin and Colorado College, a graduate program in Education; BSC, several graduate programs.  There may be others.  What I don't know is if 50+% of the degrees at TU are granted in the liberal arts.  

Just to be fair before we leave this subject, I have my MBA from Millsaps and the Business School for Millsaps is ranked highly from a regional perspective.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 19, 2010, 10:39:47 AM
Quote from: exmajor on August 19, 2010, 09:34:04 AM
Just to be fair before we leave this subject, I have my MBA from Millsaps and the Business School for Millsaps is ranked highly from a regional perspective.

Graduate schools are ranked independently of undergrad  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2010, 12:30:08 PM
The top 25 teams from our preseason poll are guaranteed those slots in the Kickoff 1-238. Nothing else is sacred.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 19, 2010, 06:46:56 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Ron and D3DPUFan questions?)


Ron / D3 DPUFan:
I cannot give you "the" reason at this time; I was sworn not to discuss any details. Trust me, or as I've said before just "hide-and-watch". History was sworn also, but we both agree 2010 is a season for a great run to/thru the playoffs. The SCAC coaches seem to know nothing either?

                                                                    :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 19, 2010, 09:55:09 PM
The clues are obvious:  since it is "the" reason, it is obviously an individual, and since "2010 is a season for a great run", this person is obviously a running back.  Therefore, one can only conclude that Desmond Mays has found a way to play another year for yet another team.  :)  I guess we'll just have to wait for confirmation of my theory since everyone is sworn to secrecy.

However, I'm not sworn to secrecy so I can mention that I watch a little of the Millsaps football practice this afternoon.  It looks like they have about 80-85 players evenly split between offense and defense.  Only four guys were wearing red jerseys unlike the dozen or so quarterback hopefuls that were looking to fill Juan Joseph's shoes last year.  

All I could tell from seeing the last 15 minutes is that it seemed like things were well organized and a lot of work was getting done.  During that brief period the defense had the upper hand, but that doesn't mean a lot.  My gut feeling is that the offense will probably have more changes than the defense this year, and Millsaps might have to rely heavily on the defense in the early part of the season.  

That's about all I have regarding practice.  I saw a few key players from last year and also didn't see some key players who were underclassmen in 2009.  I don't want to name names in either category.  Hopefully a 2010 roster will be posted on the Millsaps website in the next day or two and we can all have a better idea of who is back and the makeup of the team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 20, 2010, 01:18:41 AM
Quote from: etg on August 19, 2010, 06:46:56 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Ron and D3DPUFan questions?)


Ron / D3 DPUFan:
I cannot give you "the" reason at this time; I was sworn not to discuss any details. Trust me, or as I've said before just "hide-and-watch". History was sworn also, but we both agree 2010 is a season for a great run to/thru the playoffs. The SCAC coaches seem to know nothing either?

                                                                    :)

Trinity does have some interesting transfers coming in, but you'll have to read Kickoff to find out. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on August 20, 2010, 07:39:47 AM
Millsaps possibly could be lower than fourth.  Losing DuBose is the main reason, but they have had some other good coaches that are not there either, mainly on the offensive side of the ball. At the same time they are not the ones on the field and they have graduated some very good football players.  With Galatas and Bowser returning there is no question they have some explosive players, but do they have the o-line and scheme to use them right?  Without a very deep d-line the defense may struggle as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 20, 2010, 08:24:45 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 20, 2010, 01:18:41 AM
Quote from: etg on August 19, 2010, 06:46:56 PM
(El Tea Gray---re: Ron and D3DPUFan questions?)


Ron / D3 DPUFan:
I cannot give you "the" reason at this time; I was sworn not to discuss any details. Trust me, or as I've said before just "hide-and-watch". History was sworn also, but we both agree 2010 is a season for a great run to/thru the playoffs. The SCAC coaches seem to know nothing either?

                                                                    :)

Trinity does have some interesting transfers coming in, but you'll have to read Kickoff to find out. :)

Well, given what happened last year with the highly-anticipated QB who bailed during camp, keeping things close to the vest is probably not a bad idea.  Looking forward to hearing about this and the details for all the teams in the conference next week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 20, 2010, 10:52:25 PM
I'm pumped. Game time yet?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 21, 2010, 11:12:15 AM
Yes.  1 pm kickoff. Consult your local channel!!  ;)

Millsaps has a inter-squad scrimage today....don't think that quite counts!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 21, 2010, 11:23:30 AM
Tex, I'm right there with you on that one.  There's not much preseason information on any sports at any schools right now, making it hard to feed the sports news addiction many of us have developed since Al Gore invented the internet.  Here are links to SCAC football websites that have some sort of preview or the 2010 roster posted:

Centre College:  http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/index.html  
Austin College:  http://www.austincollege.edu/athletics/football/
Birmingham Southern roster:  http://www.bscsports.net/roster.aspx?path=football&
Millsaps roster (posted within the last hour):  http://gomajors.com/roster.aspx?roster=41
Rhodes roster:  http://www.rhodeslynx.com/roster.aspx?path=football&tab=football
Sewanee football:  http://sewaneetigers.com/index.aspx?path=football&

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 21, 2010, 11:24:16 AM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on August 21, 2010, 11:12:15 AM
Yes.  1 pm kickoff. Consult your local channel!!  ;)

Millsaps has a inter-squad scrimage today....don't think that quite counts!

What time on the inter-squad game?  (My guess is that the 1 pm is referring to today's practice, but is my guess correct?)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 21, 2010, 12:36:56 PM
not sure exactly Frank.

can't get anyone on the phone but I think it will be part of practice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onthemountain on August 21, 2010, 01:07:31 PM
Sewanee lost their SID also, so very little news coming off the mountain.  Personally, I think we need to hire Baghdad Bob just for SOME positive news for the upcoming season!!!  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on August 21, 2010, 02:52:18 PM
Bagdad Bob is still saying that Brett Farve will retire!

I am not bashing the Millsaps SID and am glad we have one now on board!  I looked at the roster that was linked by Frank and the players 'bios and stats' are all from last year, it seems.  I check a few returning players and the last info was from 2008 season.
I'm sure the info will be updated before the regular season starts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 21, 2010, 03:51:08 PM
Went by Millsaps around 1:15 and nothing was happening with football--was told that the team practiced this morning.  I've been looking at the Millsaps roster and here's my quick and certainly incomplete take on the possibilities:

Offense:  Outside of the quarterback position, there is a lot of experienced talent returning.  Shane Bowser is an offensive threat as a runner, receiver, and returner.  Chris Skinner is plenty capable of joining Shane as part of a one-two punch.  There's not a lot of experience behind those two, but Taylor Weaver might surprise people if he gets more carries, and there are some freshmen who seem like they may contribute early.

The receivers look strong with speedster Michael Galatas back for his senior year and sophomore Jason O'Rear looking to really burst on the scene this year.  Those two combined for 16 TDs last season.  Jeff Hampton and Kegan Joplin showed great promise last year and it will be good to get Martin Haaga back after he missed 2009 with an injury.  I'm sure there are others I should list, but as mentioned in the beginning, this is an incomplete preview.

The O-line returns a lot of size and experience.  Oliver Galicki, Adam Williams, Nathan Quick, and Deauntay Payne answer the question of "where's the beef", and I believe that James Tryforos also had a fair number of snaps last year. 

Quarterback is obviously the big question mark.  Last year's backup Sean Murphy and sophomores Konner Joplin and Garrett Pinciotti are the only QBs listed on the roster.  I just might be that the starting quarterback isn't determined until SCAC play starts with Austin in the third week.

I'll do another, and probably shorter post, regarding the Millsaps defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 21, 2010, 04:31:31 PM
My incomplete preview of the Millsaps defense:

Linebacker Will Hawkins and DB Kevin Peters are back.  That's a huge plus.  They were both high up the list in the Millsaps 2009 defensive stats.  Unfortunately, the remaining names at the top of those defensive lists were all seniors in 2009. 

There will be a lot of new faces on the Millsaps defense this year and I've just noticed that a couple of WR from last year are now listed at DB.  One is Jeff Hampton, a player who was listed in my post about the offense, and the other is speedster Christian Broussard.  It should be interesting to see how the Millsaps defense of 2010 compares with the teams from the last 4 years.  I have a hunch that this year's group will be pretty solid.

The kicking game is a mix of experience and non-experience.  Taylor Russolino was on the SCAC 1st-team in 2008 and lost that spot to Garrett Biel in 2009.  I'm sure Taylor would like to reclaim that top spot in 2010 and that should be a good battle to watch throughout the seson.  Punter Will Lawrimore graduated last year and that leaves Stephen Gates as the only punter on the roster.  I've been told that he's quite good, but he was injuried much of last year so we'll just have to wait and see how he does when the season starts. 

I'm sure there are others who could give a better preview, but at least this is something.  With games against MS College, LaGrange, Austin, and Trinity in the first month of the season, Millsaps will need to play well right from the start.  Going 2-2 in September wouldn't be a bad thing--as long as the two wins were against Austin and Trinity!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 22, 2010, 12:02:51 AM
I'm biased having been an old line coach and lineman in my playing days. trinity will dominate the lines this year. Even Frank could gain 1000 yards behind this TU group.  Just kidding. I've met Frank.  He'd not gain more than 899.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 22, 2010, 12:05:07 AM
And, on personal note, vie lost 65 lbs since last season.  I'm petitioning for an extra year of eligibility.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 22, 2010, 12:25:30 AM
And, finally for tonight, and quite obviously, I've found a new favorite anejo tequila this weekend.  Republic is the name.  Delusions of grandeur is the game.   

Seriously, I've only watched one TU practice and liked what I saw.  Emotion and intensity are higher than the two previous years I've seen.  It bodes well, the effort.  It's no longer "we are Trinity, we alw ays win.". It's more like "we are Trinity and we are going to take back what is ours.". Just determination from all.     I'm told from my son this started following last season, into Spring training, into summer and now into 2adays. Most Intensity he's seen and felt.

I don't know any secrets like others are hinting at.  I'm not in any inside circle.  Just a Dad that loves my kid and his teammates and the sanctity of the game.  Having a TU president show up at the parents welcome lunch was the first in 11 years. If I understand, he was at Colorado D-1 and is a sports fan.  Thank God if that's true.  I loved what he had to say that day.  He gets it from what I heard.  My son is a Jr and I don't expect any improvements to EM Stevens field before he leaves, but it'd be nice if something happened in 12 months or less.  I guess with the economy crapping out, endowments aren't generating much. 

All I ask for is an accepting sports attitude from the administration, professors dedicated to giving my son the best education west of the Mississippi River, a coaching staff that cares deeply for developing young people into men of character and fans that turn out to support San Antonio's finest. The W's will follow.   

I'm proud to be a D3 dad. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 22, 2010, 10:28:39 AM
Tex:

--I'm not sure if I could run for 899 yards on an empty football field.

--Congratulations on the 65 pounds lost.  I was at 225 this morning and I'll be at 175 at some point in the months to come--6 months, 9 months, or 12 months, it really doesn't matter as long as the progress is steady and the results long lasting.

--What you said about the higher emotions, intensity, and determination at Trinity rings true.  It's what I would expect from a program with Trinity's history of success.  Being a D3 student/athlete requires a lot of time management and priority setting--splitting time between studies, sports, social, etc.  There's always a way to give more to one area, and when a entire team gets more focused, then rapid improvement is very possible.

Like everyone else, Trinity has questions to answer.  How well they and Centre, DePauw, and Millsaps answer those questions won't be known for a while.  How much injuries will play into the SCAC race this year is something none of us can know.  Right now all we know is the schedule and that greatly favors Centre.

Not only does Centre have the home games with DePauw, Millsaps and Trinity, but they also have a bye week prior to the Millsaps game (while Millsaps is playing at Rhodes).  Centre's home game with Trinity comes after Trinity has just been on a tough road trip to Huntindon and it will be Trinity's 5th road game in 6 weeks.  Centre is going to be tough to beat this year, but I'm sure there are 3 or more teams who think they are up to the task.  I'm ready for September 4 to get here so we can start comparing realities instead of predictions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 22, 2010, 12:59:54 PM
Frank you don't five yourself enough credit!   Hahahaha
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2010, 06:41:36 PM
I lost 60 pounds about three years ago and I can tell you I feel great. I have so much more energy and I feel so much better about myself as a result.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 23, 2010, 07:07:05 AM
Pat and Tex:

I always look at the weight of common things and think about how much easier life would be if I took that sort of weight off my body.  For example, a 12-pack of soft drinks is about 9 pounds.  You have each taken off weight equivalent to over 6 or 7 12-packs.  A 5-gallon water container is about 44 pounds and we know what a pain it is to carry one of those around--you two have lost that plus about a case of drinks. 

I was 165 pounds for about 15 years after college, playing soccer, tennis, basketball, running in road races, etc.  Some pounds jumped on when my playing time was whittled away by coaching.  Then coaching gave way to mostly being a spectator and more pounds settled in.  Then that gave way to the photography and the hundreds of hours spent sitting at a computer editing photos each year.  Suddenly I found myself in the mid-230's and still going up.  The need to get my weight/health under control is a significant part of my decision to cut back on the photography.   

Anyway, congratulations to both of you for the weight loss accomplishment.  I plan on being in that 60 pounds lost club sometime before the end of this school year.  I know that's going to make a huge difference in how I feel day-to-day, and if it also makes me look better, that's just an added bonus.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on August 23, 2010, 09:18:26 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 22, 2010, 06:41:36 PM
I lost 60 pounds about three years ago and I can tell you I feel great. I have so much more energy and I feel so much better about myself as a result.

I did this about nine years ago so I know what you are saying. I did it too quickly though(60 lbs over 6-7months) and wasn't fully committed to permanently changing how I ate and eventually gained it all back. Really need to give it another try. Like Tex, I think I have a year of eligibility left. :)

Do we need to start a new thread on this? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on August 23, 2010, 09:58:14 AM
Yep, losing it easier than keeping it off.  Check back with me in a year.

I sure am looking forward to this season.  New season brings renewed hopes and expectations.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 23, 2010, 11:40:16 AM
Anyone know if Trinity will have a scrimmage this weekend?  Last year TU scrimmaged Howard Payne, don't see anything on either the school or PAWS website about one this year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on August 23, 2010, 11:58:45 AM
Ron, a July 1 FAQ sent as an attachment to a letter to parents from Coach Mohr says there's supposed to be a scrimmage with Texas Lutheran at Trinity beginning at 10 a.m. on Saturday, August 28. But that's the last I've heard of it, and I can't find any mention of it on the Texas Lutheran website.

Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 23, 2010, 11:40:16 AM
Anyone know if Trinity will have a scrimmage this weekend?  Last year TU scrimmaged Howard Payne, don't see anything on either the school or PAWS website about one this year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 23, 2010, 12:19:38 PM
DePauw University Tigers will have their annual scrimmage with Franklin College this Saturday at Blackstock Stadium...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 23, 2010, 12:26:45 PM
I've been told that any public announcements of scrimmages might be perceived as a "game",,, all I know is that TU and TLU will hold a controlled scrim in SAT on Sat.  AM I think.

Pat, or Ralph, do either of you know the rules about announcing/publicizing a scrim?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 23, 2010, 12:40:41 PM
QuoteI've been told that any public announcements of scrimmages might be perceived as a "game",,, all I know is that TU and TLU will hold a controlled scrim in SAT on Sat.  AM I think.

Pat, or Ralph, do either of you know the rules about announcing/publicizing a scrim?

Don't know that I've seen DePauw or Franklin go out of their way to announce or publicize the scrimmage...but certainly has been no secret that it takes place...usually gets a nice crowd...nice atmosphere...Coach Leonard runs a class program at Franklin...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on August 23, 2010, 01:30:45 PM
Geez ... I hope no one ever confuses a scrimmage with a game.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 23, 2010, 04:56:35 PM
Quote from: historymajor on August 23, 2010, 12:26:45 PM
I've been told that any public announcements of scrimmages might be perceived as a "game",,, all I know is that TU and TLU will hold a controlled scrim in SAT on Sat.  AM I think.

Pat, or Ralph, do either of you know the rules about announcing/publicizing a scrim?

A scrimmage is not to be publicized, by Division III rules, but I don't have chapter and verse from the Book of Indy on me.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onthemountain on August 23, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
Once again the Sewanee preview....


http://sewaneetigers.com/news/2010/8/23/FB_0823103719.aspx

I am not positive, but I think the Great Wall had a shorter building program than we have had.   ;)

In truth, I think we might surprise at least one team this year.  I hope so anyway...great bunch of kids who have paid way too many dues.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2010, 08:27:18 AM
Hope so too, onthemountain, though of course I hope it's someone besides Trinity.  Coach Black seems like a stand-up guy and it would be great to see the team have some success this year. 

While we are all on Kickoff watch, you might want to read this story about the north Texas school district that's spending $60 million on a football stadium (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/082410dnmetallen.2a4c424.html).  For their ONE high school football team ...   The weight room alone will cost a million dollars.

The Allen ISD is located in Collin County, the most affluent in the state.  They refuse to build more than one high school despite rapid growth, so you have nearly 6000 kids, almost 600 in the band, and so forth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 24, 2010, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: onthemountain on August 23, 2010, 10:40:24 PM
Once again the Sewanee preview....


http://sewaneetigers.com/news/2010/8/23/FB_0823103719.aspx

I am not positive, but I think the Great Wall had a shorter building program than we have had.   ;)

In truth, I think we might surprise at least one team this year.  I hope so anyway...great bunch of kids who have paid way too many dues.

Your first game will be a great opportunity for a win - Earlham is no world beater.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on August 24, 2010, 11:12:35 AM
For those interested in doing Pick-ems this year, the Week 1 games are posted in the Pick-ems link under "General Football".  First games are September 4. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on August 24, 2010, 11:39:37 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2010, 08:27:18 AM
Hope so too, onthemountain, though of course I hope it's someone besides Trinity.  Coach Black seems like a stand-up guy and it would be great to see the team have some success this year. 

While we are all on Kickoff watch, you might want to read this story about the north Texas school district that's spending $60 million on a football stadium (http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/082410dnmetallen.2a4c424.html).  For their ONE high school football team ...   The weight room alone will cost a million dollars.

The Allen ISD is located in Collin County, the most affluent in the state.  They refuse to build more than one high school despite rapid growth, so you have nearly 6000 kids, almost 600 in the band, and so forth.

Can they get their own classification?   What would 6000 students be, 6A?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2010, 11:54:06 AM
Quote from: Conrad on August 24, 2010, 11:39:37 AM

Can they get their own classification?   What would 6000 students be, 6A?

5A is currently as big as it goes in TX, and obviously having 3x the students as some of your smaller opponents gives you a huge advantage in most sports (and other competitive areas).

There is a proposal to add a 6A and rejigger the conference alignments - in which case Allen would "only" be 2-2.5X the size of the smallest school in its conference.   Proposals to put all the 'supersized' schools in their own conference always fail due to the extreme travel that would be required.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onthemountain on August 24, 2010, 03:46:01 PM
Coach Black is a good guy and an excellent representative of the school.  However any coach with his record does have his distractors.  My own personal feeling is that he tries too hard to put square pegs into round holes, that is, trying the same things over and over without enough regard for the talents or talent limitations of his players.  But, much easier to coach from the stands....isn't it??     :)

Hopefully, this year will be different and we will be competitive.

And yes, I do have my hopes up for the Earlham game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2010, 03:39:39 PM
For those that want to do a little more investigating into the new folks on Trinity's roster, the current roster has been posted (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2010-11/roster) to the school athletics website.

What new folks?  Kickoff (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff) will tell you.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 26, 2010, 07:27:15 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2010, 03:39:39 PM
For those that want to do a little more investigating into the new folks on Trinity's roster, the current roster has been posted (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2010-11/roster) to the school athletics website.

What new folks?  Kickoff (http://www.d3football.com/kickoff) will tell you.   ;D

Another option is to wait until mid-September and then check the box scores to see who is contributing what on the playing field.   :)

(Okay, I'll admit to doing Google searches on the newcomers at Millsaps during the pre-season.  I haven't gotten to the point of searching on newcomers from other teams as a way of scouting the opposition.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 27, 2010, 08:16:48 AM
C'mon, Frank, it's all about encouraging folks to buy Kickoff.  :-)

It looks like the SA Express-News has decided that with Incarnate Word and UTSA playing football (next year in the case of UTSA) that there's no need to bother covering Trinity any more.   There has yet to be anything about TU while there have been numerous articles about both of the others. 

The only articles about Trinity have been written by a contributing writer in the E-N's regional "north central news" - today there was one about WR Caleb Urban (http://www.mysanantonio.com/community/north_central/sports_urban_keeps_up_family_football_tradition_at_trinity_101427834.html).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on August 27, 2010, 01:33:15 PM
Quote from: onthemountain on August 24, 2010, 03:46:01 PM
Hopefully, this year will be different and we will be competitive.

And yes, I do have my hopes up for the Earlham game.
I'm thinking we may surprise one or two of the teams coming to the Mountain this year.   Key is going to be if we get any improvement from the offense this season; we never seemed to be able to put together any sort of sustained drive in any of the games I watched last year.  That should change with some better talent coming in on the o-line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 28, 2010, 09:19:01 AM
First chance to see the 2010 version of the Tigers today...scrimmage with Franklin College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2010, 03:36:28 PM
comments on any of today's scrimmages would be welcomed ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 28, 2010, 06:45:56 PM

Always tough to really take a lot away from these things...but a few comments...

Not much offense on either side...should be noted that Koors, Ellis, Evans, Branigan didn't play for the Tigers because of tweaks...backup qb ethan schweir seemed to move the team pretty well...defense played ok...but will really need to step up this year IMHO...and i think they will...leaders need to emerge on both sides of the ball...not a very thorough recap...but some initial thoughts...good luck to coach leonard and the grizzlies...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 29, 2010, 04:05:33 PM
DePauw's 2010 roster is posted...I think I count 127 players from 20 states. About half from Indiana, 20 from Illinois, 8 from Missouri, 5 each from California and Texas. In Indiana, 22 players from Indianapolis...7 from Columbus.

Is the season here yet???  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 30, 2010, 11:04:31 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on August 29, 2010, 04:05:33 PM
DePauw's 2010 roster is posted...I think I count 127 players from 20 states. About half from Indiana, 20 from Illinois, 8 from Missouri, 5 each from California and Texas. In Indiana, 22 players from Indianapolis...7 from Columbus.

Is the season here yet???  ;)

Not to beat a dead horse here, but I think that's a pretty signifcant point in regards to what the North Coast can do for DePauw football.  Ohio is a really good football state.  There's a lot of D3 programs in that state that are very successful with kids from that state.  DePauw has exactly ZERO players from the state of Ohio on its roster. 

I'm not trying to say that being able to recruit Ohio is the cure for what ails you, but Witt, CWRU, and Capital are sure doing something right.  I'd put Mount in that list, but a signifcant portion of their talent isn't from Ohio.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BashBacker#16 on August 30, 2010, 12:51:18 PM
Wes,

Just a comment... Wabash has only 2 Ohio players on our roster.  We've done pretty well in the NCAC.   ;D

BB16
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 30, 2010, 12:54:50 PM
QuoteNot to beat a dead horse here, but I think that's a pretty signifcant point in regards to what the North Coast can do for DePauw football.  Ohio is a really good football state.  There's a lot of D3 programs in that state that are very successful with kids from that state.  DePauw has exactly ZERO players from the state of Ohio on its roster. 

I'm not trying to say that being able to recruit Ohio is the cure for what ails you, but Witt, CWRU, and Capital are sure doing something right.  I'd put Mount in that list, but a signifcant portion of their talent isn't from Ohio.

I would tend to agree with you, Wes. But it's interesting to note that our friends in Crawfordsville have a whopping 2 players from Ohio on this year's roster, according to a post on the NCAC Board...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 30, 2010, 01:02:42 PM
sorry to duplicate the bb16 post... :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 30, 2010, 01:11:16 PM
A fair point, but that's just this year, too.  Wabash historically recruits Ohio fairly well, if my memory serves.  I kinda wish I could get to some of the recent Wabash rosters to prove my point, but I'm kinda working off the top of my head from the past 4 or 5 years.

Again, for clarity, I'm not saying that recruiting Ohio makes you good while not recruiting Ohio makes you bad.  I just think there's a lot of good high school talent in that state that will learn more about DePauw than they have ever before.  That, I think, is an inherently good thing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2010, 01:21:17 PM
Big question is will you keep getting Texans after you leave the SCAC.    ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2010, 04:23:49 PM
The SCAC 2010 Football Prospectus (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/releases/2010_football_prospectus) is out. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 30, 2010, 04:25:21 PM
QuoteAgain, for clarity, I'm not saying that recruiting Ohio makes you good while not recruiting Ohio makes you bad.  I just think there's a lot of good high school talent in that state that will learn more about DePauw than they have ever before.  That, I think, is an inherently good thing.

Understood. Obvisouly picking off a few talented players from Ohio would be great...but important to build on successes in places like Illinois, in particular Chicago-area.


QuoteBig question is will you keep getting Texans after you leave the SCAC.

We'll see...have gotten some good players from Texas...and Oklahoma.





Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on August 30, 2010, 04:40:23 PM
Ohio is a pretty tough nut to crack because it is so saturated with small colleges...and coaches of those programs know that they have to recruit their backyards well to have a chance.  Wabash has had a handful of players from Ohio, but I don't think it would be accurate to say that Wabash is getting into Ohio and taking their pick of prospective student-athletes.  Wabash has recruited a couple of players from Wittenberg's turf over the last few years, which is pretty sweet, but it isn't something that happens all that often.  Certainly it helps to get exposure out there...I've talked to Buckeye State kids and parents who were looking at Wabash during games at Wittenberg, so Wabash is definitely working the area.  DPU will get similar exposure out there soon enough. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bashbrother on August 30, 2010, 05:19:33 PM
I'm telling you.  From where I sit here in South Florida.  This area is still largely untapped because of the lack of D3 in the deep South.  Keeping up with the High School football scene down here, there is plenty of D2 and D3 level talent that hangs up the cleats after high school.

Nice to see a couple of freshman from Florida on Wabash's roster this year.    In D1 - FAU Owls with Schnellenberger were a great example of how much talent was laying on the ground for a smaller program.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 30, 2010, 08:54:52 PM
SCAC Football Media Days started today.

Today, you can listen to interviews with head coaches Loren Dawson of Austin College and Eddie Garfinkle of Birmingham-Southern College - along with senior offensive tackle Austin Light and senior defensive back Evan Coachman of the 'Roos and senior offensive lineman Ryan Creel and senior defensive lineman Jeremy Jones of the Panthers here:
http://scacsports.blogspot.com/ (http://scacsports.blogspot.com/)

For the complete schedule of interviews, click here:
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 30, 2010, 09:01:24 PM
QuoteSCAC Football Media Days started today.

Today, you can listen to interviews with head coaches Loren Dawson of Austin College and Eddie Garfinkle of Birmingham-Southern College - along with senior offensive tackle Austin Light and senior defensive back Evan Coachman of the 'Roos and senior offensive lineman Ryan Creel and senior defensive lineman Jeremy Jones of the Panthers here:
http://scacsports.blogspot.com/

For the complete schedule of interviews, click here:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/releases/scac_media_days

Feel free to provide feedback on our facebook page:
http://www.facebook.com/pages/Suwanee-GA/Southern-Collegiate-Athletic-Conference/69306693723

Media Days...a very nice touch...you guys do a great job covering football and this is just one example of how you separate from others...thank you!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on August 31, 2010, 05:57:37 PM
Thanks for the props D3_DPUFan! I've got a great staff that work very hard to provide those little extras that we hope people will enjoy.  I know this is a football board, but we are also posting interviews with coaches from the sports of field hockey, men's and women's soccer and volleyball - so check those out as well.

SCAC Football Media Days continues on Tuesday:

Today, you can listen to interviews with head coaches Andy Frye of Centre College and Robby Long of DePauw University - along with senior offensive lineman Dane Spoelker and senior linebacker Will Geisen of the Colonels and senior wide receiver Alex Koors and senior linebacker Kyle Sherer of the Indiana Tigers here:
http://scacsports.blogspot.com/ (http://scacsports.blogspot.com/)

For the complete schedule of interviews, click here:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/releases/scac_media_days (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/releases/scac_media_days)

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on August 31, 2010, 07:37:42 PM
Good stuff, scaccommish...enjoyed the interviews!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onthemountain on September 01, 2010, 06:56:19 PM
Very nice job commish. Great to read and hear about all the sports.  Looking forward to Sewanee football tomorrow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 01, 2010, 11:25:46 PM
Day Three of SCAC Football Media Days is now posted:

Today, you can listen to interviews with head coaches Aaron Pelch of Millsaps College and Joe White of Rhodes College - along with senior wide receiver Michael Galatas and senior defensive back Kevin Peters of the Majors and senior running back Matt Gilbert and senior linebacker Andrew Meier of the Lynx here:
http://scacsports.blogspot.com/

For the complete schedule of interviews, click here:
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on September 02, 2010, 12:56:58 PM
Kudos to the SCAC staff for continuously providing a quality product. You guys probably have relatively limited resources, but you don't seem to let that get in the way of what you present to the public. Appreciate it!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 02, 2010, 07:02:21 PM
On the final day of SCAC Football Media Days, you can listen to interviews with head coaches Robert Black of Sewanee: The University of the South and Steve Mohr of Trinity University - along with senior offensive lineman McLain Still and senior defensive back Chalankis Brown of the Tennessee Tigers and senior wide receiver Caleb Urban and senior linebacker Jarrod Burns of the Texas Tigers here:
http://scacsports.blogspot.com/

For a list of all interviews from the week, click here:
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We appreciate all the support and positive comments concerning SCAC Media Days...counting all sports, we're almost at 1,000 listens!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2010, 10:05:24 AM
Thanks to an unusually early cool front (OK, less-hot front) the weather in SA tomorrow for Trinity's home opener should be great for football.  Rain clearing out later this morning - should give the field time to set up OK.  6PM temperature somewhere around 88-90 with a northeast breeze (switching to easterly later) and much lower-than-normal humidity.  Temps should fall into the upper 70 by the end of the game.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
E-N story on Trinity DB Tyler Barrett (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/trinitys_barrett_comfortable_in_the_corner_102198794.html?showFullArticle=y).   Typical one-paragraph game preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college/local_colleges/Saturdays_area_football_games_Sept_4_102204009.html).  

There is a game preview (http://www.brownwoodbulletin.com/sports/local_sports/article_a7915698-b70d-11df-af5c-001cc4c002e0.html) in the Brownwood newspaper but someone there has come up with the idea that you need to pay them at least $7 to be able to access the article.    

Will be heading down to SA in a bit (6pm start), looking forward to see how Trinity fares against HPU vs. last year's scrimmage with the same team.   The secondary's going to have to be on its toes against the Jackets' strong passing attack.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 04, 2010, 08:22:32 PM
Austin College is up 14-0 over Southwest Assemblies early in the game. Two turnovers by SAGU have set up a couple of 'Roo scores...first was a pass from Zambiasi to MaQuar, the second was a run by Funderburg.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2010, 08:36:17 PM
HPU 18, Trinity 17, half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2010, 09:29:04 PM
HPU-TU 24 all, 10:35 4th
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2010, 09:59:20 PM
31-all,2:09 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2010, 10:06:43 PM
ot
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2010, 10:21:12 PM
34-all,2ot. HPU 50yd fg
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on September 04, 2010, 10:29:40 PM
Millsaps College 23 - Mississippi College 20 with less than 10 minutes left in the 4th Quarter
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2010, 10:30:30 PM
Tu wins 40-34
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on September 04, 2010, 10:38:43 PM
Millsaps College 23 - Mississippi College 27 with less than 7 minutes left in the 4th Quarter
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Chronological Order on September 04, 2010, 10:54:59 PM
Millsaps College 23 - Mississippi College 27 Final Score
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 04, 2010, 11:06:03 PM
Anyone know how AC vs SWAGU ended up?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 04, 2010, 11:56:44 PM
Got the score!  Roos 28 SWAGU 6
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 05, 2010, 12:06:32 AM
Fun game in SA!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 05, 2010, 12:37:41 AM
Really enjoyed the TU game this evening in S.A.  Fun to renew friendships and see the 2010 Tigers pull out a close one!  The team played hard and came out on top.  Especially good to see them gain some good yards on the ground ... the new RB's are really looking good and the O-line was plowing some big holes for them.  Good protection for the QB.  Defense was a little shaky, but HPU has some serious speed in the backfield and at WR.

Congrats to the Trinity Tigers on a good start ... enjoy your week off (odd in Week 2?!) and get those bumps and bruises healed up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 05, 2010, 01:11:58 AM
I never thought we'd be fortunate to havevweek 2 off. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2010, 01:20:43 AM
Lots of surprises in SA tonight:

- Run, run, and run some more was the story for Trinity.  Both RBs had good games with the exception of the one fumble.   Senior RB Kyle Lewis entered in relief in the 4th and almost ended up with 100 yards.  220 yards total rushing for Trinity. 
- Not one but two 50-yard FGs from HPU's Mitchell Bailey.  The second one (in OT) might have been good from 60 - or at least 55.  He also had a 44-yarder but missed a couple of shorter ones.  Bailey also scored a conversion on a botched snap - he accounted for 16 of HPU's 34 points.  
- Soph RB Patrick Granchelli got his chance in the 2nd OT and played like a man possessed, scoring the winning TD.  
- TU receivers were getting open but the game plan was to run, run, run.
- Perhaps the two most successful offensive plays came when QB Robert Davidson (18-31-221, 2 TD, 1 INT) checked off at the line - both resulting in long TD passes.   Davidson's interception came late in the first half when an HPU defender wrestled the ball out of the hands of a TU receiver.  
- Very good protection for Davidson all night and the OL was opening some good holes, too.
- Very surprised at how much HPU kept the ball on the ground, too.   Zach Hubbard, who had 3000+ yds last year, was held to 205 (24-44-205, 2 TDs).  
- Both teams did poorly on kickoff coverage.  HPU got an electric 85-yd TD run from freshman Andre Dean.  Caleb Urban had 101 yards on three returns, including a 49-yard effort directly following Dean's TD.  Both kickers ended up kicking short after the first quarter.  
- Lots of injuries both ways, though many appeared to minor.   TU's Tyler Barrett appeared to suffer a shoulder injury early in the game and did not return.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 05, 2010, 09:41:03 AM
Lewis provided a much needed spark to open the 2nd half.  Davidsons audible long TD pass was a perfect call.  7 or 8 TU guys went down in this game, including a starting O tackle.  His replacement played strong during the fourth and ot's.

HP's Anre Dean (#13) was a kid that was a blaze.  He's a game changer.  Their RB's were getting around the corner but half time adjustments slowed that down nicely. 

Overall a game you certainly didn't want to lose going into an off week.  Long ride home to Brownwood.  HP's kicker wore yellow-jacket yellow shoes and I was laughing bEfore the game, "if you're going to wear those shoes, you damn better be able to back it up" and to his credit, he did. 

At the end of the night, the Yellowjackets relied on his foot one too many times, giving credit to the TU defense that stiffened up nicely in the redone.  Lots of stuff to work on for both teams.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on September 05, 2010, 09:42:09 AM
Ron, I'm sorry I didn't know you were here.  I'd have loved to come by and say hi. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2010, 04:48:56 PM
Tex, we got there late so sat on the visitor side so we didn't have to sit on the 15 yard line.  Maybe next time?   :)

A few random thoughts on the weekend ...

Sewanee broke their losing streak in a big way with 400+ yards against Earlham.  OK, Earlham's no MUC, but when you look at the total offensive output for UOS last season (<1500 yds in 9 games) things are suddenly looking better on the mountain.  Chad Morehead only had two carries for the Tigers, but made them count by breaking off a 65-yard effort and one for 15.   The most impressive thing about the win, other than the margin, is that it came on the road. 

Centre ... tale of two halves to be sure.  They dominated the first half and led 17-0 at the break.   The offense went on strike in the second half with only three first downs prior to the game-tying drive at the end of regulation.  3-and-out, turnover on downs, fumble on kickoff return, 4 plays and punt, three-and-out, 4 plays and punt.   In his return from last year's season-ending injury, Tyler Osterman was a very solid 25-38 but for only 191 yards (long of 19).   Jonathan Pinque had 98 yards and caught 6 passes for 40 yards.  Jason Osterman (yes, Tyler's brother) had 57 yards on 4 receptions.

Austin - always good to get a W, even against SAGU.   :)  It appears the 'roos were opportunistic, racking up 28 points despite being held under 50 yards on the ground. 

Millsaps - I'm sure someone who was there and can provide better insight than I can looking at a box score.  MC is one of the better teams in the ASC and despite the loss, a solid first effort given the turnover in the coaching staff and at QB. 

Trinity - a tougher-than-expected time against a team picked to finish seventh in the ASC, but again given the losses at WR and RB a solid start.  Got the W and a couple weeks to work on things.    The play of Kyle Lewis gives Coach Mohr two very different running styles to choose from against Rhodes. 

BSC - got a couple of great returns for TD from David Langston, without which they might not have won the game.  Panther defense held LaGrange to 28 yards on the ground but gave up 331 in the air.  Walter Arrington and Shawn Morris combined for 233 yards rushing and averaged over 6 yards per carry.   Langston had 246 return yards!

Rhodes - yielding three interceptions and getting out-gained 447-261 usually doesn't result in only a three point loss, but the Lynx stayed in it to the very end.   Unfortunately, after intercepting visiting Westminister (MO) deep in their own territory with time running out, QB Brett Stoops fumbled behind the line of scrimmage, Westminster recovered and kicked a chip-shot FG to break the tie and earn the victory.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on September 06, 2010, 07:12:52 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2010, 04:48:56 PM
Austin - always good to get a W, even against SAGU.   :)  It appears the 'roos were opportunistic, racking up 28 points despite being held under 50 yards on the ground.  

Where did you get they were held under 50 yards rushing?

The PDF on the AC website has them with 94 total rushing yards for the game.

http://www.austincollege.edu/athletics/football/ (http://www.austincollege.edu/athletics/football/)

It also seems they threw the ball more than in years past with 24 passes compared to an average of 20.5 in '09, 16.2 in '08 and just 12.8 in '07. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2010, 07:45:41 PM
Kent, the only thing up when I looked earlier was the SAGU writeup (http://www.sagu.edu/go/athletic-news/football-lions-offense-misfires-in-loss-to-roos) which claims "They held a team that led their conference in rushing the past four years to only 40 yards on 33 carries".    They didn't have a link to stats up - sorry!

The writeup is not terribly gracious; among other things it says "the litany of chances that slipped through their fingers left the Lions feeling they lost a game rather than having an opponent who actually won it."  Hmpfh!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 06, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
Centre gets beat by Hanover? At home? Are you kidding me? That is stunning. Hanover has won a grand total of five games the past two seasons and been smoked by the likes of Anderson and Manchester...and they go to Danville and get the job done. Congrats to them on a  job well done. Centre picked #2 in SCAC preseason poll? Perhaps living on hype from last season... :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 06, 2010, 10:20:27 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 06, 2010, 09:53:38 PM
Centre gets beat by Hanover? At home? Are you kidding me? That is stunning. Hanover has won a grand total of five games the past two seasons and been smoked by the likes of Anderson and Manchester...and they go to Danville and get the job done. Congrats to them on a  job well done. Centre picked #2 in SCAC preseason poll? Perhaps living on hype from last season... :o

Agreed - that's either a great win for Hanover or a terrible loss for Centre.  Or both.  Victory Bell game between Franklin and Hanover may be interesting this year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 07, 2010, 01:17:34 PM
I didn't want to pee in anybody's Cheerios before everybody started, but I can't say I'm particularly surprised by that result.  I don't mean to drive the bus under the Centre program, but they've made a pretty nasty habit of underperforming the year after that "breakout" type year in the past decade. 

Finished second in 2001.  9-1 overall.  Beat DePauw in Greencastle.  In 2002 they went 6-4 with a losses to Sewanee and Millsaps.  That was the only SCAC team Millsaps beat that year.

They shared the conference title in '03 and won in Greencastle again.  Then they went 4-6 the next year.

I don't have an explanation for it. It's not all that uncommon of a pattern, though.  I wish I could go back further than 2000, but I can't find those results anywhere.  Two examples do not make a particularly strong argument, but that's the general idea of what I'm getting at.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 07, 2010, 01:49:10 PM
No wonder I don't like Cheerios! ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 07, 2010, 08:02:30 PM
QuoteI didn't want to pee in anybody's Cheerios before everybody started, but I can't say I'm particularly surprised by that result.  I don't mean to drive the bus under the Centre program, but they've made a pretty nasty habit of underperforming the year after that "breakout" type year in the past decade.  

Finished second in 2001.  9-1 overall.  Beat DePauw in Greencastle.  In 2002 they went 6-4 with a losses to Sewanee and Millsaps.  That was the only SCAC team Millsaps beat that year.

They shared the conference title in '03 and won in Greencastle again.  Then they went 4-6 the next year.

I don't have an explanation for it. It's not all that uncommon of a pattern, though.  I wish I could go back further than 2000, but I can't find those results anywhere.  Two examples do not make a particularly strong argument, but that's the general idea of what I'm getting at.

Some good historical perspective, Wes...but to quote the fellas from the four-letter network...come on man! ;) It's Hanover....that game had blowout written all over it. Of course, maybe Centre is just not that good. Perhaps a bit over-hyped after last year's win in Greencastle that put them in the thick of the SCAC race. Or maybe this will serve as a much needed wake up call... :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 07, 2010, 09:39:47 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: TigerDad and Ron)


TU-- 40         HPU--34       2ot       :o


Ron, why am I not surprised that you sat on the "visitor (HPU) side", for a while I have suspected an ASC bias even against "your Tigers"?  I arrived exactly as the opening kickoff was being made, and got space on the "Tiger side" high-up and on the 40-yard line.  It was behind the Tiger Stand Band, but enjoyable none-the-less (there was available seating about the 30-yard line).


TigerDad, a "good start"?   "A good start is 1000 lawyers chained together at the bottom of the ocean." I have absolutely nothing against lawyers (some of my best friends are...well you know). A lawyer however; did tell me that joke. TD, IMHO this game was "barely a start."



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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 07, 2010, 11:18:35 PM
Oh don't get me wrong. That's an ugly loss for Centre. That ought to be a blowout. But that's the point I was trying to make. Centre has been such a disappointment historically when they finally get to a point where they are serious conference contenders.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2010, 12:10:04 AM
Piss off, etg.  I'm tired of you and your crap.  You have been riding my ass for years and it's way beyond old.   You constantly cast aspersions on my support of my alma mater and I'm f*cking tired of it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 08, 2010, 02:02:31 AM
I'm sure etg is just pissy his beloved Saint Nick (sic) didn't play any quarterback this weekend. Although, the stats suggested he made three tackles, so I'm sure that he'll be taking snaps any day now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2010, 09:45:28 AM
Congratulations to the SCAC players of the week:

Patrick Granchelli (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/potw/2010-11/week1_offensive), Trinity, offensive;
Zac Atkins (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/potw/2010-11/week1_defensive), Sewanee, defensive;
David Langston (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/potw/2010-11/week1_specialteams), Birmingham-Southern, special teams.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 08, 2010, 10:57:16 AM
QuoteOh don't get me wrong. That's an ugly loss for Centre. That ought to be a blowout. But that's the point I was trying to make. Centre has been such a disappointment historically when they finally get to a point where they are serious conference contenders.

Yep...understood. Look forward to seeing the 2010 edition of the Tigers open up this weekend...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 08, 2010, 01:22:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2010, 12:10:04 AM
Piss off, etg.  I'm tired of you and your crap.  You have been riding my ass for years and it's way beyond old.   You constantly cast aspersions on my support of my alma mater and I'm f*cking tired of it. 

Well said Ron.  I think your analysis of D3Football has always been right on.  I have always thought you are a Tiger first, which is to be expected since it is your school.  Keep up the good comments, I always enjoy reading them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 08, 2010, 07:09:02 PM
Quote from: etg on September 07, 2010, 09:39:47 PM
TigerDad, a "good start"?  IMHO this game was "barely a start."

etg, I agree with Ron ... we're just tired of your crap.  Not sure why you're so critical of the Texas Tigers or their fans on this board.

For the record, last year, the 2009 Trinity Tigers struggled offensively against relatively weak opponents in their first two games.  Check the stats if you must.  Last Saturday, they amassed 429 yards (208 rushing and 221 passing) of offense.  The new RB's both looked good, there were some fine catches by the receivers, and the O-Line gave the QB good protection, in the 2nd OT leading the way to the endzone for the win.  Soph RB Granchelli was voted the SCAC Offensive Player of the Week in the first start of his young career.

I stand by my original comment "Good start!" and will add no more to convince you.  I vote you the Offensive Poster of the Week in the SCAC D3 topic.

Ron, I hope to see you on the TU side again soon ... etg, we've reserved a seat for you on the Bell Center side.  Perhaps your comments will be appreciated over there.  Or not.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 08, 2010, 08:13:45 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: TigerDad's and Ron's latest)


TigerDad, you will never catch me on the opponents side at a Trinity game (football or otherwise); as you know I support all TU sports (M/W) and have since my freshmen year in 1963 (47 years ago). I'll put that record up against anyone living today.

Ron, such language from an old Trinity boy. If it gets you back into the Tiger stands, I'll take it. Believe me, I value your posts and really do like you (this is getting way to mushy for a guy like me); later I hope.



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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 09, 2010, 12:26:47 AM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 08, 2010, 10:57:16 AM
Yep...understood. Look forward to seeing the 2010 edition of the Tigers open up this weekend...

As am I, but this opponent hasn't ever told me a lot about what our program will be. It's hard to evaluate what the strengths & weaknesses will be after beating the pants off a cupcake in Week 1. I'll try to keep a straight face after I see the final. Long row to hoe for this football team this year...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 09, 2010, 06:48:04 AM

I often find it difficult to sit with the fans of my team at any game, and I have sat on the DePauw side at Stevens Stadium before.  Being a coach, I know what our staff is going through out there, and it's so hard to sit next to people who second guess them throughout the contest, especially Coach Mohr.  I have no doubt that they are loyal fans, and usually it's the most diehard that are the most critical of their own team.   You know- people like Ron Boerger- he's one of those people whose comments about Trinity I usually can't stomach because his primary objective is to make other readers think he is balanced in his take.  In doing so, he overcompensates by bashing the Tigers and then gets really, really mad when people call him on it.  So while I can't side with etg as far as sitting on the visitor's side, I sure don't want to sit by Ron!

Please, Bonzo, watch your language. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 09, 2010, 10:52:23 AM
What difference does it make what side of the field he sits on. There are usually better seats on the visitors side.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 09, 2010, 01:44:16 PM
Now that the rust if off following the first games, let's see just how all these teams look (from either side of the field  ;).)

I haven't scoped out Lagrange's linemen's size, but I hope they are a bit lighter than MC.  Watching that line was like watching a hammer fall at times.

If not for a couple dropped passes and two stupid personal fouls in succession, I believe that Millsaps would have edged out a victory.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 09, 2010, 06:00:13 PM
I'm sure Ron has had his fill of sitting on the home side from the times he's been put in the stands with a media credential.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 09, 2010, 07:17:57 PM
Well put TU2698!  Maybe when/if TU spins the field around due to renovations we can all enjoy sitting on the Bell Center side 'together' Kum-by-ya (sp). ETG did not deserve to be blasted the way he was!  'Nuf said.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on September 09, 2010, 11:01:23 PM
I don't know much about the "blood" (good or bad) among the folks who post here, but I pretty much agree with this. I'm not much for sitting on a crowded, too-small, metal bench seat with my knees bumping up against the stadium chair in front of me. I've thought about sitting on the other side too.

Quote from: Bill McCabe on September 09, 2010, 10:52:23 AM
What difference does it make what side of the field he sits on. There are usually better seats on the visitors side.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on September 10, 2010, 10:41:37 AM
One positive way to look at people feeling the need to sit on the visitors side is that it probably means the home side is full which is never a bad thing.

I long for the days that my team gets there own stadium and I hope they build it a size that we can get close to filling for a good game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on September 10, 2010, 10:47:48 AM
Quote from: crufootball on September 10, 2010, 10:41:37 AM
One positive way to look at people feeling the need to sit on the visitors side is that it probably means the home side is full which is never a bad thing.

I long for the days that my team gets there own stadium and I hope they build it a size that we can get close to filling for a good game.

I've been known to sit on the visitor side at Wabash - easier for the kids to bounce around without disturbing anybody.  Plus you can hear some interesting "discussions" on the opposing sidelines!  I see nothing wrong with sitting over there - just don't be overly zealous in rooting for your team - tends to incite the opposing fans.

Of course, there is one game where I would NEVER sit on the visitor side (it's filled up anyway)!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 10, 2010, 04:58:26 PM
I like sitting on the visitors side.  The fans are there to watch the game and not socialize, and they are knowledgeable about the team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 11, 2010, 01:39:29 PM
Michael Engle looking very, very sharp early.  The Old Gold is in for the second time.  14-0 early second.  Engle working a 10-13 for 116 & the 2 TD's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2010, 01:57:24 PM
Centre up 3-0 at Maryville with the first quarter coming to an end.

Millsaps just fumbled into their own endzone, trail LaGrange 7-14 with about five minutes to play in the first half.  Shane Bowser has 89 yards and the TD for Millsaps. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 11, 2010, 02:12:06 PM
Nice little 2 minute drive right before the half.  28-3 in the locker room.  Engle 19-27 for 203 with 4 TD's & 1 INT.  D has held to the tune of 79 yards.  They gave the FG after a kickoff return to the 13 yard line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2010, 02:21:11 PM
Centre is driving all over the place on Maryville but can't punch it in.  A first-and-goal from the two yields only a FG (the other FG came after 1-and-G from the one).  6-0 and Centre has the ball back again.    Remember that MV lost 54-3 to Huntingdon last week ...

Austin holds TLU on its first drive, drives 74 yards in 7 plays to take an early 7-0 lead at home.  QB Travis Zambiasi has only thrown one pass so far but made it count, a 39-yarder to Braydon MaQuar.  

WashU scores on its opening drive, 75 yards in 6 plays, lead Rhodes 7-0.  

Millsaps still trails 14-7 to LaGrange at the half.  They're outgaining LG 163-106, but three turnovers, the first a pick six, are hurting so far today.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2010, 02:38:43 PM
After an interception near midfield, Rhodes ties it up with a 22 yard pass from Tyler Perkins to Buddy Legens.  7-all with 11:44 to play in the second quarter.

Centre comes just short on a fourth-and-three at the MV 19.   Good thing the MV offense is pitiful.  

Second half underway at Lagrange.

Puntfest in Sherman, still 7-0 there with 13:06 to play in the first half.   AC does have more passing yards than rushing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2010, 02:49:19 PM
Shane Bowser scores from a yard out, putting the finish on a 12-play, 60-yard drive to pull Millsaps into a 14-14 tie at Lagrange.  The Majors dodged another bullet when they recovered their own fumble at the Lagrange 25. 

Blake Towery is now in at QB for Austin.

Centre still leads MV 6-0 at the half. 

Hey, Wes, guess RHIT is real happy to be in the HCAC today ... 82 yards offense midway through the third?  LMAO
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 11, 2010, 02:55:47 PM
37-3 now.  Engle's 5th TD of the day.  Needs one more to tie Spud for the school record. 

Ron, you aren't kidding.  It has not looked good for that Engineer offense.  33 plays, 82 yards, 3 turnovers.  Meanwhile, they're letting Engle throw it all over the lot.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2010, 03:03:42 PM
He just got it.  :)  45-3, doubt we'll see Engle any more today ...

WashU gets a FG at the end of the first half to take a 10-7 into the locker room against Rhodes.

Millsaps holds, Skinner scores from a yard out on fourth down to take a 21-14 lead at Lagrange.  Looks like the Majors D has turned up the intensity in the second half.

TRYING to get on the Faulkner feed to see what the BSC score is in a game that should just about be over.

Zambiasi came back in at QB for Austin, maybe they just rotate.   Still 7-0 AC there. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2010, 03:19:49 PM
Can't get the Maryville feed back.  

Millsaps gets a big INT deep in their own end, but the LaGrange defense holds and will start at the Millsaps 40, 12:16 to play.

RHIT is threatening now that DPU is playing their waterboy and cheerleaders.

Sewanee comes back to earth, trail W&L 20-3 at the half.  

EDIT:  Lagrange marches those 40 yards in nine plays to tie things up, converting a fourth-and-two at the Millsaps 21 along the way. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 11, 2010, 03:28:24 PM
Ron - FYI, Zambiasi and Towery do just rotate. I'm not sure if it'll last that way the whole season, but for now I'd say you can probably expect Zambiasi between 2/3 and 3/4 of the time. The two were pretty much 1A and 1B coming out of fall camp.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 11, 2010, 03:52:54 PM
Zambiasi to Harrell for a 15 yard touchdown and AC FINALLY gets on the board again. 14-0, 11:27 left in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2010, 03:58:26 PM
Millsaps and LaGrange are going to OT after the Majors' fifth turnover of the day, an interception at the LaGrange 28 with 25 seconds left.

Rhodes now up 14-10 on WashU, Chris Rose scored from 2 yards out.  About ten minutes to play there.

RHIT gets a couple of mercy TDs to make it, well, not respectable, how about less embarassing.  45-16 DPU victory puts the rest of the SCAC on notice.

Finally got the MV feed back, it's 28-0 Centre, 11:38 remaining.   A little surprised to see Tyler Ostermann still in the game, to be honest, given how ineffective the MV offense has been.  He's looked pretty good running and throwing today.

Sewanee gets a TD with 1:52 left in the third quarter, but still trails W&L 34-10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2010, 04:10:59 PM
Just got the LaGrange audio - apparently they won in OT despite Millsaps outgaining the Panthers 424-273 in total yardage.    The live stats offer no details, neither did the announcers.  

TLU and AC trade TDs, but AC's XP was blocked; 20-7 AC with 5:38 left in the third.

Rhodes gets the win after a nice goal-line stand; trailing 14-10, WashU had first down at the Lynx 3, but two runs netted one yard, a third down pass was incomplete, and a pass on fourth down actually lost yardage.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2010, 04:24:01 PM
From the SCAC scoreboard:  BSC thrashes Faulkner, 52-16. 

Millsaps final was 21-27 in OT. 

That will do it for me - heading to SA to visit my in-laws. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 11, 2010, 04:56:34 PM
final

AC 20 TLU 14
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 13, 2010, 12:33:58 AM
Millsaps vs. LaGrange:   Turnovers kill the Majors.
In OT, MC needs very short yard or two for a first down, so they put it in the air (like that worked so well all day, right??) instead of either taking the FG which would have forced LG to make the touchdown.

MC is still showing some 'disorganization' but I guess with 2nd and 3rd string QB's that is to be expected.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 13, 2010, 09:44:57 AM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on September 13, 2010, 12:33:58 AM
Millsaps vs. LaGrange:   Turnovers kill the Majors.
In OT, MC needs very short yard or two for a first down, so they put it in the air (like that worked so well all day, right??) instead of either taking the FG which would have forced LG to make the touchdown.

MC is still showing some 'disorganization' but I guess with 2nd and 3rd string QB's that is to be expected.

It is to be expected somewhat that the Majors need some adjustment time with a new coaching staff.  Certainly tough to start 0-2, but conference play starts this week and there is still plenty of time to right the ship!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1837Tigers on September 13, 2010, 04:22:21 PM
DePauw-RHIT highlights:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3E2BL-bP7Q
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 13, 2010, 06:41:19 PM
Nice to see the Tigers begin the year with a convincing win. The competition will be tougher as SCAC play begins for sure, but always good to see a team come out and take care of business. And congratulations to Depauw QB Mike  Engle...SCAC Offensive Player of the Week!

OK...I know we're only two weeks in...but what's the feeling in San Antonio and Jackson? The Majors 0-2???  And what about Centre??? With players like Osterman and Pinque back on offense, would think there would be some big numbers being put up...and certainly not a loss to Hanover!  

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2010, 12:18:26 AM
Watched a good deal of Centre - Maryville, just seemed like they weren't clicking on all cylinders offensively in the first half.  Pinque and Ostermann were getting the job done but it wasn't consistent.  Second half was better but was that Centre or was Murville just lousy?  Defensive did a good job but Murville's scored 3 points total in its first two games. 

Millsaps gave a top-20 Mississippi College a good game, especially for the first one under a new coaching staff, and absent the turnovers (at least a couple of them) would easily have won last week.  That's a trend to watch as they put the ball on the ground at least two other times, only to recover, while I was listening in.  0-2 but averaging something like 380 yards/game on offense. 

Liked what I saw from the Trinity rushing attack given neither back had carried the ball before.  Pretty conservative game plan, but if the running success continues it will open up the passing game.  OL was solid, opened some holes running the ball and provided good pass protection.  Defense is smallish as always but had good speed closing on ball carriers.   Lots of injuries in the opener, will be interesting to see who plays against Rhodes this week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 14, 2010, 05:41:11 AM
QuoteWatched a good deal of Centre - Maryville, just seemed like they weren't clicking on all cylinders offensively in the first half.  Pinque and Ostermann were getting the job done but it wasn't consistent.  Second half was better but was that Centre or was Murville just lousy?  Defensive did a good job but Murville's scored 3 points total in its first two games. 

Millsaps gave a top-20 Mississippi College a good game, especially for the first one under a new coaching staff, and absent the turnovers (at least a couple of them) would easily have won last week.  That's a trend to watch as they put the ball on the ground at least two other times, only to recover, while I was listening in.  0-2 but averaging something like 380 yards/game on offense. 

Liked what I saw from the Trinity rushing attack given neither back had carried the ball before.  Pretty conservative game plan, but if the running success continues it will open up the passing game.  OL was solid, opened some holes running the ball and provided good pass protection.  Defense is smallish as always but had good speed closing on ball carriers.
Lots of injuries in the opener, will be interesting to see who plays against Rhodes this week. 

Good info...thanks Ron...will be interesting watching the conference season unfold...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on September 14, 2010, 07:38:58 AM
Ron

Noticed Pinque only had two carries in the stats.  What happened ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2010, 08:51:51 AM
Quote from: Fripp52 on September 14, 2010, 07:38:58 AM
Ron

Noticed Pinque only had two carries in the stats.  What happened ?

Wow, guess I confused Scotton (85 yds) with Pinque - thought the MV announcer was getting it wrong.  Didn't get on the broadcast from the start so did not see the play where Pinque was injured, if indeed that's what occurred. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on September 14, 2010, 01:09:18 PM
Pinque got dinged up a little in the first half of the Maryville game and they took him out.
It did not look like anything major. Just being cautious with their All League Back and Maryville a non-league opponent.
Similar thing happened in the Hanover game with Osterman. He took a hit right before half and came out of the game for a play. The 2nd half the OC was ultra conservative. I think they handed the ball off every play for 3 straight series. The last 2 minutes of the game they opened up the offense and thats when Centre tied the game and scored again to start O.T.. Unfortunately, Hanover scored too and on a great call by their Head Coach, went for two and got it.
The Colonels seemed to get it together in the 2nd half vs Maryville. Hopefully that continues this week and the rest of the SCAC season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2010, 09:44:24 AM
Trinity's game package (http://static.psbin.com/c/t/4b7cjh2voxshec/FB02.pdf) (.pdf) for the Rhodes game has been posted.  

BTW, for the two people who care, I probably will not be updating games this weekend and definitely not the week after as we are heading to Germany for a couple of weeks of R&R.   While I could find an internet cafe' in Munich, there are better things to do on a Saturday evening there this time of year.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 17, 2010, 11:09:15 PM
Raise a stein for me. :) Have a good trip.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 18, 2010, 01:32:31 PM
Pat and d3 crew...nice job with the site redesign. Big change from previous version so will tkae time to get used to but nice look and much greater opportunity to showcase content...thank you!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 18, 2010, 03:01:16 PM
Austin and Millsaps are playing a dandy here.  16-10 Roos late in the 2nd quarter. 

Hampden-Sydney is having their way with Sewanee.  38-0 early in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 18, 2010, 05:55:43 PM
QuoteAustin and Millsaps are playing a dandy here.  16-10 Roos late in the 2nd quarter. 

Hampden-Sydney is having their way with Sewanee.  38-0 early in the third.

yep...interesting game...I think it's safe to say the SCAC is wiiiiddde open this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 18, 2010, 07:49:07 PM
Centre kicks a FG after a Engle INT in DPU territory.  10-7. 4 minutes left in the half.

Also of note, Rhodes is enjoying a 10-3 lead near the half at Trinity.  Headscratcher.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2010, 08:26:27 PM
Trinity passing attack has been totally ineffective (2-11 in first half).  Expect a QB change in second half if trend continues.  It's raining, but it's not raining that hard.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 18, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2010, 08:26:27 PM
Trinity passing attack has been totally ineffective (2-11 in first half).  Expect a QB change in second half if trend continues.  It's raining, but it's not raining that hard.

Dude updates from Germany!  Rock solid.

DePauw scores it right before the half.  Ellis from the 1.  14-10 DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2010, 08:35:28 PM
LOL, don't leave until Monday AM - just had stuff to get done today to prep.  Stuff done.  :D

Rhodes gets a 51-yd run from Matt Gilbert on the first series of the 2nd half.   PAT missed, 16-3 Rhodes 11:38 3rd.  

Davidson's first pass of the second half into double- or triple-coverage is intercepted.   Make the change!

TU defense holds Rhodes to a FG - not bad given starting position on 30.  19-3 Lynx, 4:41 third.

Davidson's second pass of the second half is intercepted.  MAKE. THE. CHANGE.

TU defense holds.  Patrick Dickinson comes in at QB, Trinity starts at their three.

Dickinson hits a 34-yd completion on 3rd and six from the seven.   That more than doubles TU's passing output for the game.  End of the third and I'm about to go get dinner.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 18, 2010, 09:49:33 PM
DePauw wins 21-16.  Gave up over 200 rushing yards, but still got the win.

Rhodes beats Trinity 22-16.  TU 17-40 with 2 INTs between their 3 passers. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 18, 2010, 10:05:34 PM
Quote21-17 DePauw now.  Karazsia in from 3 yds out.  Osterman just scored it for Centre.  About 4 minutes left in a game that has absolutely flown by.

Trinity is in TROUBLE.  TU got in the end zone.  Dickinson to Urban on a 30 yarder.  PAT blocks.  Rhodes has another FG.  22-9.  3 minutes to go.

Wow...back to my earlier statement...SCAC is wide open!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 18, 2010, 10:06:24 PM

And kudos to the Depauw defense for stepping up and making things happen with the game on the line!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2010, 10:30:22 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 18, 2010, 09:49:33 PM
DePauw wins 21-16.  Gave up over 200 rushing yards, but still got the win.

Rhodes beats Trinity 22-16.  TU 17-40 with 2 INTs between their 3 passers.  

Only two passers.

Davidson 2-13-2-0 TD 18 yds in nearly three quarters
Dickinson 15-27-0-2 TD 196 yds in a little over a quarter

Sorry to say this, but if Davidson gets yanked after the first INT, TU may have had a chance.  Expecting Dickinson to lead them back from a 16 point deficit in a little over a quarter was just a bit much.  They got 2 TDs, got the final onside kick, but fumbled in Lynx territory with a few seconds left. 

Trinity actually outgained Rhodes, 394-252, but way too many stupid penalties (11/100 yds) and turnovers (four, to none by the Lynx) killed them.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: exmajor on September 18, 2010, 11:09:39 PM
Should make for an interesting game next week in San Antone. I did not get to see the Majors game today, but a nice win to open SCAC play. May come down to turnovers based on these two teams so far this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 19, 2010, 03:08:34 PM
Certainly an interesting start to SCAC play:

---The Millsaps-Austin game was a little closer than the 38-24 score sounds.  Centre will need to regroup in a hurry if they are going to win next week at Austin.

---Hard to believe that Rhodes won 22-16 at Trinity.  Even harder to believe that Rhodes had a 22-3 lead midway through the 4th quarter before they started playing not to lose--and almost lost.

---Will two losses and good fortune on the tiebreaker get the NCAA AQ this year?  I don't think so.  It seems like someone will end up 5-1 and if that's the case, Trinity and Centre now have no room left for error.  It certainly seems like the Millsaps at Trinity game is now a must-win game for the Tigers (and obviously extremely important for Millsaps).

---Three QBs played a lot in the first half for Millsaps and then Garrett Pinciotti took most of the snaps in the 2nd half.  Not sure why Pinciotti ins't in the SCAC stats.  He has played 2 of 3 games and is averaging 225 yards per game, second best in the SCAC.

---Shane Bowser of Millsaps after 3 games against good competition:  391 yards rushng, 132 yards receiving, 7 TDs.  Not a bad start.  Not a bad start for Will Hawkins as well with 30 tackles.  Yesterday Millsaps had a 31-24 lead in the 4th quarter, Austin had 1st and goal at the Millsaps 1.  Hawkins tackles Funderburg for a 4 yard loss and Austin ends up with no points.  A big play by a big time player.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2010, 04:45:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2010, 09:44:24 AM
Trinity's game package (http://static.psbin.com/c/t/4b7cjh2voxshec/FB02.pdf) (.pdf) for the Rhodes game has been posted.  

BTW, for the two people who care, I probably will not be updating games this weekend and definitely not the week after as we are heading to Germany for a couple of weeks of R&R.   While I could find an internet cafe' in Munich, there are better things to do on a Saturday evening there this time of year.   ;D

Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 18, 2010, 08:32:31 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2010, 08:26:27 PM
Trinity passing attack has been totally ineffective (2-11 in first half).  Expect a QB change in second half if trend continues.  It's raining, but it's not raining that hard.

Dude updates from Germany!  Rock solid.

DePauw scores it right before the half.  Ellis from the 1.  14-10 DePauw.
Apparently D3football was sufficiently interesting to be following it at an internet cafe' in Munich.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 19, 2010, 04:46:57 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2010, 08:35:28 PM
LOL, don't leave until Monday AM - just had stuff to get done today to prep.  Stuff done.  :D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 19, 2010, 04:50:30 PM
Lot of confusion this week, wasn't there?  I guess I just don't know what to make of Centre, although I've felt that for about 9 years.  You get boatraced by Hanover (who has since been run by Thomas More & lost to Defiance), but then you come back and play DePauw tight all the way to the gun.  I don't necessarily know if that was DePauw's best effort or not last night.  Hard to tell from the live stats.  Osterman ran all over that D regardless.

Is DePauw this conference's best team right now?  That's an honest question, because I just don't know.  Who's after that?  Trinity maybe?  Lot of quarterback issues there, clearly. Millsaps has two losses.  Centre has two losses.  Austin just lost to Millsaps.  Everybody in this conference has an ugly loss right now except DePauw & BSC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 20, 2010, 04:52:34 PM
I just looked at the stats for last week's AC game.  A loss is a loss, no doubt about that.  However, I was encouraged by the fact that AC seemed to lead in most statistical categories.  Any Millsaps fans out there who would like to chip in with more information about the game from an eyewitness point of view?

I will be in Sherman this week for the AC vs Centre contest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on September 21, 2010, 03:00:22 PM
With the Millsaps/Trinity tilt this week, will the loser be out of the conference race in your opinion?  I think that everything is wide open and that there may be a one loss champion again this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2010, 11:12:21 AM
Caught "The Boys of Fall" last night on ESPN2...very powerful. An hour of soundbites and images that will reaffirm why you love football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2010, 11:38:15 AM

QuoteWith the Millsaps/Trinity tilt this week, will the loser be out of the conference race in your opinion?  I think that everything is wide open and that there may be a one loss champion again this year.

I would think a Trinity loss would be fatal to any hopes for a conference championship...however realistic they were to begin with.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 22, 2010, 03:22:05 PM
University of Dallas to join SCAC!!

http://www.scacsports.com/news/dallas_joins_scac (http://www.scacsports.com/news/dallas_joins_scac)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2010, 03:38:22 PM
QuoteUniversity of Dallas to join SCAC!!

http://www.scacsports.com/news/dallas_joins_scac

But no football, correct?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2010, 03:43:32 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 22, 2010, 03:22:05 PM
University of Dallas to join SCAC!!

http://www.scacsports.com/news/dallas_joins_scac (http://www.scacsports.com/news/dallas_joins_scac)
My first thought is to congratulate AD Dick Strockbine who has been at the helm thru the 10-year hiatus in conference membership since leaving the ASC after 2000-2001.

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 22, 2010, 03:38:22 PM
QuoteUniversity of Dallas to join SCAC!!

http://www.scacsports.com/news/dallas_joins_scac

But no football, correct?

Yes, no football, UD was not able to start a program about 2004, the last time that I remember their trying.

Who becomes Colorado College's travel partner now?  Rhodes?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on September 24, 2010, 11:54:11 AM
I'd guess its hendrix with cc as travel partners, than:

e
Centre
Sewanne
Rhodes
Milsaps
Birmingham southern
Oglethorpe

W
CC
Hendrix
SW
Trinity
Dallas
Austin

jumping to 14 would be pretty easy with berry in the east and centenary in the west to further ease travel and possible and future football school's. Also, not sure what CC's plans will be or if the ncac will invite centre if they expanded to 12 with them and W&J.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 25, 2010, 11:15:10 AM
I took a little time to listen to the football POTW interviews on the SCAC blog this morning (Shane Bowser of Millsaps and Clay Adams of Rhodes).  It brought up 2 thoughts:

---One, thanks to the SCAC and Russell Kramer for getting out SCAC news via the blog and through the podcasts of interviews with SCAC players and coaches.

---Two, I hope people will support this effort.  As fans, we always are wanting new sources for information like these podcasts, but we also have a responsibility to support these new efforts.  Put the blog link on your favorites list and give the podcasts a listen during the halftime of today's games or when you are on the internet paying bills, etc.  Here's the link:

http://www.scacsports.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2010, 01:27:34 PM
Still 7-0 DPU.  DePauw has been inside the 20 four times.  1 TD, a failed 4th down, a missed FG, and a blocked FG.  11 minutes left in the 2nd Q.

EDIT: Solution to not being able to score in the red zone?  Score from outside the red zone.  Engle to Koors on a 61 yarder.  14-0.  Total yards 258-52 at the moment.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 25, 2010, 02:06:30 PM
First play from scrimmage for a TD. AC ahead 7-0.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2010, 02:13:36 PM
DePauw scores again right before half.  21-0.  Engle to Branigan from 12 yds out.  Engle 17-25 for 257 & 2 TDs in the first.  Total yards now 329-74.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 25, 2010, 02:14:39 PM
centre drives for a  TD.  7-7
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 25, 2010, 02:28:56 PM
AC drives for score. Centre punts next series. AC ahead 14-7
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 25, 2010, 02:41:44 PM
centre returns fumble inside AC 10 yd line. AC stops the on 4th & goal at 1. End of 1st Q.

cente scores on punt return . Offsetting penalties. AC punts again.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 25, 2010, 02:44:59 PM
centre scores 14-14
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2010, 03:02:26 PM
Engle to Koors from the 5.  28-0 now.  Koors passed Dan Ryan to become DePauw's all-time leader in receiving yards on the last drive as well.

I think this one is in hand.  I'm going back to work now.  Good luck.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 25, 2010, 03:19:16 PM
Halftime - AC ahead 20-14
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 25, 2010, 03:26:27 PM
Heck of a final touchdown to end the first half for Austin College. Towery scrambled, got chased out of the pocket and finally found Greg Millerick in the endzone from 11 yards out. Millerick took a heck of a shot in the endzone, too, so it was pretty impressive that he held on.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 25, 2010, 03:43:56 PM
Trinity leads Millsaps 16-14 at the half.

Each team has 9 first downs. Trinity's QB Dickinson scored twice on the ground, K Biel has one FG.  TU RB Granchelli has 16 carries for 110 yards.  Millsaps scored once on the ground, once by air on a Pinciotti pass to Haaga, once on the ground, Pinciotti run.

I think this one might be a little closer than some folks were expecting after the Tigers loss to Rhodes last week. 

We'll see what the second half brings ... GO TIGERS.

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 25, 2010, 04:09:34 PM
Another pick 6 for Austin College, this time it's Matt Finke jumping an out route and taking it 30 yards untouched for the score. 33-14 AC with 3:38 left in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on September 25, 2010, 04:56:41 PM
Trinity leads Millsaps 23-14 after the third quarter, but on the final play of the quarter, Bowser runs 74 yards to the TU 4.  Majors had first and goal from TU's 4 yd line to open the fourth.  Tigers hold them on three downs, but the Majors score on a fake FG.  Extra point good.  Score Trinity 23, Millsaps 21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 25, 2010, 05:15:53 PM
Any update from AC-Centre?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 25, 2010, 05:22:18 PM
Looks like CC pulled it out 42-40
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 25, 2010, 07:15:54 PM
Millsaps pulls out a 27-23 victory in San Antonio after trailing 16-14 at halftime.  Shane Bowser had two big plays in the receiving game that keyed the victory.  First was a 80+ yard gain on a screen pass to end the third quarter.  That play got Millsaps down to about the 5 yard line and Millsaps later scored on a fake field goal.

The last Millsaps score was a double pass with Bowser being on the receiving end of a 60+ yard pass.  This was a game where the offenses controlled the first quarter or so and then the defenses took over the rest of the way. 

On the Centre at Austin game, I felt like Austin would give Centre a very tough game.  It surprises me that Centre was able to score 4 TD's in the last 18 minutes to pull out the win.  Austin played well against Millsaps and Centre--now they are going to have to find a way to get over the hump and win games like that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on September 25, 2010, 09:53:21 PM
Box score to Millsaps at Trinity game:

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2010-11/stats/fb03.htm

Story from the Trinity website:

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2010-11/releases/09-25-10_fb_mc

Unlike last week when the Trinity offense got rolling in the 4th quarter, this week the Millsaps defense held Trinity to 64 yards in the second half and no 1st downs in the 4th quarter.

Both teams face a difficult outing next week with Millsaps hosting DePauw and Trinity hitting the road to play an undefeated Birmingham Southern team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 25, 2010, 10:09:40 PM

These are the times when you find out what you like more- winning or your alma mater.  Almost every year lately there's been a new benchmark that signaled the incredibly slow decline of the SCAC's greatest ever dynasty.  I'm still proud to say that I love the Trinity Tigers win or lose, even though losing is a total drag. 

I mean, my goodness.  It's not like the Tigers didn't get any breaks against Millsaps.  We just lost.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2010, 10:05:16 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 25, 2010, 10:09:40 PM
Almost every year lately there's been a new benchmark that signaled the incredibly slow decline of the SCAC's greatest ever dynasty. 

It's been many, many moons since TU has lost 2 home SCAC games in the same season, let alone in two straight weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 26, 2010, 10:21:25 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on September 26, 2010, 10:05:16 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on September 25, 2010, 10:09:40 PM
Almost every year lately there's been a new benchmark that signaled the incredibly slow decline of the SCAC's greatest ever dynasty. 

It's been many, many moons since TU has lost 2 home SCAC games in the same season, let alone in two straight weeks.

Millsaps and Centre in 2008, but not consecutive home games.
Hmmm, 1992 (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/Archives/YearByYearRecords/1990-1999).   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 26, 2010, 10:25:53 PM
Centre game was in Danville in '08, I believe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on September 26, 2010, 10:28:52 PM
There seem to be quite a few more people at Trinity games so far this season, so I took a look at the attendance stats in the box scores. Sure enough (unless I've misread or miscalculated something), attendance averaged 2,124 through the first three home games this year. Last year, there were only four home games, and attendance data isn't provided in the box score for one of those ... but at the three home games for which there are figures, attendance averaged 1,202. That's quite an increase in only one year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on September 26, 2010, 10:51:46 PM
Interesting stat -- in Trinity's one win so far this year, it was penalized 5 times for 70 yards. In Trinity's two losses so far this year, it was penalized 11 times for 100 yards and 11 times for 84 yards. 

Also, in last week's 27-23 Millsaps win over Trinity, there were a total of 23 penalties (both teams) for 195 yards. Wonder how close that comes to a record.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 28, 2010, 11:23:58 AM
1)  Millsaps takes it to Trinity twice in the past few years on their home turf! Sweet!
2)  While the penalty count was about the same for both teams, the ones against MC 'seemed' must more strategic in nature.  That being said, unless Millsaps learns to curb their tongues and personal fouls, it will come back to cost them the game (again.)
3)  MC defense had another strong showing on goal line type stances.
4)  The deep coverage by MC has me concerned about how well they will defend Koors.

This was obviously an important game for both teams but in a topsy turvey world 'ya just never know what's gonna happen on any given Saturday....
   
********

Congrats to Millsaps Kicker and Punter Taylor Russolino for being selected as SCAC Special Teams Player of the Week!  Good to see the Majors represented.   
Title: Millsaps vs. DePauw
Post by: DePauw05 on September 29, 2010, 12:57:28 PM
Looks to be a good matchup in Jackson this weekend with consequences for the league crown.  Anyone have any thoughts/analysis on DePauw-Millsaps?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on September 30, 2010, 10:03:48 PM
I am predicting 31-28, Millsaps.  Koors will have a great day but MC defense will hold them twice on goal line plays.  Field goal in the final couple minutes seals the deal for MC.

Not much weekly activity or comments...c'mon guys, chime in 'cuz I 'ain't' no football expert!!

PS:  did I mention yet that Millsaps had their way with the "Grey Flag" yet again last Saturday??   Guess that is what they get for knocking over the MC bench and hollering profanity on the way out of the tunnel.  Something about karma.... ;)   It really was a good game and could have went either way; MC was fortunate to get the W.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 02, 2010, 02:15:36 PM
DePauw turned it over on an Engle INT on their first possession.  Millsaps went down and scored it.  7-0 early. 

Trinity leads BSC 24-14 at half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3guy1107 on October 02, 2010, 02:16:08 PM
Interesting game going on in Birmingham this weekend. You've got a 3-0 BSU team which beat Huntingdon handily AT Huntingdon last week against a 1-2 Trinity team.

So far its been lots of mistakes and turnovers for BSU and big plays for both teams. It appears the starting QB this week for Trinity, Pat Dickinson, is out from a possible injury? Anyways the senior Rob Davidson is now in and threw a pass that went for 49 yards to close out the plays at half time. 24-14 Trinity at Half.

So far theres been plays of 49, 59, 41, and 35 yards. Excited for the 2nd half. Would be a good win for the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 02, 2010, 02:37:21 PM
DePauw just tied it.  7-7 early second.  That was an incredibly long, methodical drive off a Millsaps turnover by DPU.

By the way, while I appreciate the video service provided by Millsaps, is there NOTHING we can do to make this window fullscreen?  I've got no idea what the heck's going on in this 4in x 4in window I'm looking at.

EDIT: DePauw in again on a Karazsia run.  I think Millsaps turned it over again.  14-7 now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 02, 2010, 03:50:25 PM
Trinity gets past formerly undefeated BSC on the road, 38-28.   Kyle Lewis had 160 yards and 2 TDs on 25 carries to pace the Tiger attack, and Ben Robinson has 12 tackles (9 solo) to lead the defensive charge.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 1837Tigers on October 02, 2010, 04:14:59 PM
Double click on the Millsaps video window.  The shot is WAAY too wide.. I think the camera is in the parking lot.  It's grainy in FS mode, but it does work.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on October 02, 2010, 04:58:28 PM
35-21 DePauw over Millsaps
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 02, 2010, 05:15:42 PM
A friendly tweet from @DePauwAthletics tells me this is the first time DePauw is 4-0 since 1985. 

Also, if my math is correct, it wouldn't be ALL over next week, but it's going to be awfully tough for anybody else to win the conference if DePauw beats Rhodes in Greencastle next Saturday.  They'd have the tiebreak over Rhodes, Centre, and Millsaps (all who would have just the one conference loss.)

After that you would need scenarios where DePauw is one of multiple teams at two conference losses.  DePauw would have the tiebreak over everybody other than Trinity & Austin in the event they were to win against Rhodes but still have the two conference losses. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 02, 2010, 05:54:45 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 02, 2010, 05:15:42 PM
A friendly tweet from @DePauwAthletics tells me this is the first time DePauw is 4-0 since 1985. 

Also, if my math is correct, it wouldn't be ALL over next week, but it's going to be awfully tough for anybody else to win the conference if DePauw beats Rhodes in Greencastle next Saturday.  They'd have the tiebreak over Rhodes, Centre, and Millsaps (all who would have just the one conference loss.)

After that you would need scenarios where DePauw is one of multiple teams at two conference losses.  DePauw would have the tiebreak over everybody other than Trinity & Austin in the event they were to win against Rhodes but still have the two conference losses. 

Wes,

If DePauw, at home, doesn't beat Rhodes, there should be an investigation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
The box score shows Millsaps with 13 penalties for 266 yards.  While that might seem like a typo, the Millsaps announcers said 240 yards in penalties towards the end of the game so the 266 yards is probably right.  Barring DePauw picking up two losses, it does appear that the race for the NCAA AQ is down to just DePauw and Rhodes.

Boxscore to today's game:  http://gomajors.com/custompages/Football/2010/mfb10-05.htm
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 02, 2010, 08:01:00 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 02, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
The box score shows Millsaps with 13 penalties for 266 yards.  While that might seem like a typo, the Millsaps announcers said 240 yards in penalties towards the end of the game so the 266 yards is probably right.  Barring DePauw picking up two losses, it does appear that the race for the NCAA AQ is down to just DePauw and Rhodes.

Boxscore to today's game:  http://gomajors.com/custompages/Football/2010/mfb10-05.htm

They must have been channeling the Packers from this past Monday - that is some serious penalty yardage.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 02, 2010, 08:03:22 PM
Quote from: wabashcpa on October 02, 2010, 05:54:45 PM
If DePauw, at home, doesn't beat Rhodes, there should be an investigation.

That's certainly true.  DePauw ought to win it.  But, a little food for thought here, Rhodes went to Trinity last week (a place DePauw has never won) and knocked them around pretty good.  That was probably more Trinity's fault than a spectacular effort by Rhodes, but it still happened.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bucephalus on October 02, 2010, 08:14:47 PM
13  penalties at 15 yds each would be a maximun of 195 yards. Look at the boxscore on the  Millsaps site...they were reporting penalties as if they were opportunity loss. If you have an  offside penalty on a 99 yard run, it's still only a 5 yard penalty. A hold that results in bringing a long run back is not a 44 yard penalty, it's a 10 yard penalty from the spot of the foul.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 02, 2010, 08:45:33 PM
I noticed a few issues like that.  I didn't watch the whole game, but I'd wager that Derrick Karazsia did not gain 88 yards and lose 74 yards for a net of 14 yards on 28 carries.  A K. Peters on Millsaps has a TFL for 73 yards.  Nice play, son.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 03, 2010, 09:19:47 AM
I've not weighed here for a few weeks, my disappointment great.  I'm a Trinity dad and being silent seemed best.  I will say, I've never seen a team with so many injuries after week one, let alone week four.  MASH unit set up on campus.  

I was at the BSC game yesterday.  Luckily my work schedule changed and I have to be on Huntsville tomorrow, so flew in a few days early.  

Yesterday marked TU's first points off turnovers all season.  In fact, in their three previous games, the defense only had one turnover, a halftime ending INT against MC last week.  (I'm pretty sure that's right but welcome to correction).

We won the turnover battle, hence the game.  

From Pop Warner to the NFL, it's hard to win if you lose the turnover battle.

A third talented running back hit the field yesterday for TU (a freshman) and he came in to spell Lewis and turned those opportunities into TD's. The last TU Td was a beautiful trap play that went for about 40 yards or so.  The new kid got thru the hole and just flat outran everyone on the field.  It was fun to watch.  

TU rushed for around 250 on a team that only gave up 70 something to Huntingdon. 

I felt the game was still in doubt at halftime.  BSC has some very talented kids.  They turned the ball over too much and I give that credit to the TU defense.  

I think the new Panther stadium is beautiful.  Everywhere we travel, I am shown beautiful colleges with very nice football fields.  Its tough enough to recruit to TU with the tuition/room/board costs, silly high admission standards, then you show these recruits the football field.  The grass itself isn't bad, but good gravy, the 1930's era looking stands and facilities just make Coach Mohr's job that much tougher.  Leather helmets would fit in nicely at EM Stevens field.  In all fairness, the Bell Athletic Center rivals many D-1 programs.  They just forgot about the football stadium.  

Everyone else in the SCAC is stepping up their facilities and are attracting better and better athletes. San Antonio now has UTSA and Incarnate Word playing ball, more competition for Texas talent.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 03, 2010, 09:38:33 AM
For more accurate stats on the DPU-Millsaps game, look at the ones posted on DePauw's website.  I can't explain what the Millsaps stats say.  There are stats for players who did not travel, Derrick's 70 plus yards lost rushing, and the penalty yards issue, at least.
Millsaps is a talented team.  Penalties, kicking game, and other oddities killed them.  Without those, it is a different game.  I have to ask why Galatas does not play every single down on offense.  Was he hurt ?  He is a game changer and more often than not, he was not on the field.  But, he was on all return teams.  So I would not think it was injury.  The call to throw the ball out of the wildcat was very strange and may have turned the game with the INT that resulted.  Up to that time, the wildcat had not worked and now you ask a player who cannot throw to throw.
Things that impressed me from DePauw's side - defensive line play may have been the best I have seen in 4 years.  Bowser had averaged 100 plus against very good teams up to that point and he had 20 or so.  DePauw had a running game.  They actually wore Millsaps' defense down as the game progressed.  Nice win.....
Finally, Will Hawkins is a football player.  He hit everything that moved and he covered nicely when DePauw passed the ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 03, 2010, 07:08:19 PM
No excuses from me for the Millsaps loss.

Kind of hard to put up points when the unsportsmanlike, personal fouls, mouthing off, etc. penalites pull you in the wrong direction.  Lack of discipline and control thus far all season.  Very disappointing, even a bit embarrassing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 04, 2010, 11:02:33 PM
Here's some good news for 2 SCAC players...Biel (trinity) and Russolino (millsaps):

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2010-11/releases/mitchell_award_september
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2010, 09:40:04 AM
For there to be much to talk about for the rest of the season, DPU somehow has to lose two of its remaining three conference games.

Oct 9  home v. Rhodes
Oct 23 at Trinity
Nov 6 home v. Austin

Rhodes:  Doesn't seem likely as the Lynx' best win, at Trinity, is sandwiched by losses to .500 teams like LaGrange and Westminister.

Trinity:   After losing home games to Rhodes and Millsaps, most would say this is doubtful, too.  Much better effort against B-SC offers a glimmer of hope but team needs to quit suffering injuries week in and week out.  

Austin:  Have recent history of being close to a signature W, but have yet to pull one off.    Turned a 33-14 late third quarter lead into a 42-40 loss at home vs. Centre two weeks ago.

This is a strange game.  We've seen two-loss SCAC champions in the not-so-distant past, but it will be very surprising if it happens this season.    
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 05, 2010, 01:53:56 PM
One of the weird quirks about all these schedule changes the home office has done is the fact that DePauw has played at Austin exactly one time in the five seasons they've been in this conference.  DePauw only won by 3 that day, but has handled Austin fairly well in Greencastle in their four trips.

That's the one I'm concerned about most, honestly.  DePauw will beat Rhodes if they play as well as they have played.  I'm not that optimistic about the Trinity trip either way, particularly since the last time we were there we played a 56 minute football game.  They may lose at Trinity, but if they come back home and beat Austin, none of it matters anyway. 

All that said, I think DePauw would really like to get to Monon 9-0 for playoff seeding's sake.  You can't tempt fate too many times with heading into the playoffs 8-2.  Alliance will come calling eventually.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 05, 2010, 06:01:57 PM
QuoteThat's the one I'm concerned about most, honestly.  DePauw will beat Rhodes if they play as well as they have played.  I'm not that optimistic about the Trinity trip either way, particularly since the last time we were there we played a 56 minute football game.  They may lose at Trinity, but if they come back home and beat Austin, none of it matters anyway. 

Probably right...Austin palyed really tough in Sherman two years ago...but DePauw has played them very well in Greencastle. And thanks for bringing up Trinity...yikes! The officiating in San Antonio was without a doubt the worst I have ever seen---at any level. Absolutely horrific...
 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 05, 2010, 11:25:38 PM
Hey, Millsaps fans, I fly to Jackson tomorrow to represent Guilford College at the inauguration of your new President, Dr. Pearigen, in The Bowl.  I was in Jackson last summer, but my schedule didn't allow me enough time to see the campus - I'm really looking forward to seeing it on Thursday!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 06, 2010, 11:06:30 AM
I am sure the students and administration will make you most welcome!   The weather should be nice so enjoy!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on October 06, 2010, 01:36:42 PM
Quote from: Tacttm1 on October 06, 2010, 11:06:30 AM
I am sure the students and administration will make you most welcome!   The weather should be nice so enjoy!


I'm sure they will also.  My hotel is the Cabot Lodge right across the street, so I'll look around some tonight.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2010, 09:56:53 AM
Previews for tomorrow's TU-TLU tilt:  Trinity (http://static.psbin.com/j/r/1y9j3sp7j1zzli/FB05.pdf) and TLU (http://www.tlubulldogs.com/documents/2010/10/6/tlu_football_week_5_v_trinity_reduced.pdf?id=32).  Patrick Dickinson is listed as the starting QB for Trinity, Kyle Lewis is the starter at RB with Desmond King backing him up. 

Going to be a warm one in Seguin with highs forecast near 90.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 08, 2010, 10:36:13 PM
Quote from: Tex on May 11, 2010, 12:42:08 AM
Not sure if you fellas play the market, but a dollar stock worth watching is HDY. Do your research. African offshore oil lease stuff.

Well, I know some of you laughed at me for giving stock advice on a football forum, but this stock has  gone from a buck to almost three bucks.  172% gain from that point I believe.  I have never given a stock tip before, but this one was too good not to share with friends.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 08, 2010, 10:37:54 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2010, 09:56:53 AM
Previews for tomorrow's TU-TLU tilt:  Trinity (http://static.psbin.com/j/r/1y9j3sp7j1zzli/FB05.pdf) and TLU (http://www.tlubulldogs.com/documents/2010/10/6/tlu_football_week_5_v_trinity_reduced.pdf?id=32).  Patrick Dickinson is listed as the starting QB for Trinity, Kyle Lewis is the starter at RB with Desmond King backing him up. 

Going to be a warm one in Seguin with highs forecast near 90.  

Don't forget about that Granchelli kid.  He's really tough to bring down.  Reminds me of the Tasmanian Devil cartoon character! 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 08, 2010, 10:45:02 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 08, 2010, 09:56:53 AM
Previews for tomorrow's TU-TLU tilt:  Trinity (http://static.psbin.com/j/r/1y9j3sp7j1zzli/FB05.pdf) and TLU (http://www.tlubulldogs.com/documents/2010/10/6/tlu_football_week_5_v_trinity_reduced.pdf?id=32).  Patrick Dickinson is listed as the starting QB for Trinity, Kyle Lewis is the starter at RB with Desmond King backing him up. 

Going to be a warm one in Seguin with highs forecast near 90.  

My photos are all over the the TU link. Yes sir!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2010, 03:19:58 PM
TLU leading Trinity 21-0 at half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 09, 2010, 04:08:42 PM
Millsaps held a 21-10 lead at halftime over Huntingdon.  The webcast went down right before the second half kickoff and has been down for 15-20 minutes.  My guess is that the announcers are totally unaware that they are off the air and therefore nothing is being done to fix the situation.  Hopefully I'm wrong and I'll keep refreshing the webcast site every 2-3 minutes to see if the webcast gets back on the air.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 09, 2010, 04:22:54 PM
Sewanee has been hanging tough against Austin College today, but a beautiful play action pass for 37 yards and a score from Towery to Harrell with 6 minutes left makes it 27-17 and probably puts this one away.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 09, 2010, 04:25:49 PM
...and just like that it's 34-17. First play of the next Sewanee possession, sack, fumble, scoop and return 34 yards for the touchdown.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 09, 2010, 04:29:43 PM
TLU 42, Trinity 0 at the end of the third. Worst I've ever seen since I've been following the Tigers. Couldn't watch another minute. Over and out. Gonna go watch the Longhorns try to beat Bye Week.

Not a good year for football in Texas, y'all.

:-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 09, 2010, 04:55:31 PM
Caught the very last of the Millsaps game on the Huntingdon audio webcast.  Millsaps wins 35-19 after leading 21-10 at the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on October 09, 2010, 08:13:39 PM
Great game in Danville today. Centre 35- Birmingham 28.
T.Osterman and the offense had a very good game and the defense really stepped up in the 2nd half.
Birmingham ran all over them in the first half, but the Colonels shut them down in the 2nd half.
4-2 going into the bye week. It's a shame it looks like they are playing for 2nd place though.
Congrats Colonels on the nice win today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 09, 2010, 10:43:42 PM
Gotta give credit to TLU.  Their defense forced several 3 and outs early and the TU defense looked pretty exhausted by Q3.

TU offense missed a chipshot FG (block) early on, plus missed a few other red zone opps.  Should have been close on points at the half.  But wasnt 

At one point 3 of 5 starting oline were on sidelines injured.  Several other injuries.

I've never seen a fb team suffer this many injuries game in and game out. Snakebit...  Homecooking refs played a part especially early on, but  TU was outmanned.   Very disappointing for all involved.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2010, 12:01:53 AM
Murphy was in attendance on the east sideline today.  First TLU pass was nearly picked off.  Forced a fumble a couple of plays later that would have been returned for six but the play had been whistled dead a couple of milliseconds earlier.  All those trips into the red zone with nothing to show for them ... at least one blocked FG and possibly another partially blocked at the end of the first half - very odd looking ball and for Biel to be short on a 40-yd kick is highly unusual.  The defense was totally gassed in the third.

Hope your son's injury isn't too serious, Tex.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on October 10, 2010, 05:15:52 PM
Well, finally home where I can get some internet and get a look at the box score. By the numbers it looks like we played a lot better than we did. The key line in the box score? Millsaps - 4 penalties for 37 yards. Nothing else to say.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 10, 2010, 06:38:17 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Trinity Tiger's 3rd (?) QB) 


The TU Tigers are 2-3 after 5 games; with the quarterbacking roughly an even split betweem Robert Davidsion and Patrick Dickenson. The 3rd (?) QB, Nyk McKissic did not make it to the field for 19 quarters + 2 overtimes. IMHO, it is only fair that Nyk McKissic play quarterback for at least the next 9 1/2 quarters of Trinity football; that way both the Tiger's coaches and team and we the faithful can see if Nyk's outstanding reputation (2008 Rivals.com---3 stars) is as reported. Nyk has already red-shirted his year at Jackson State; so it does not cost him or the Tiger team anything to start these games (he will still have 3 full years of playing time allowable, starting with next season). Again, IMHO can he be started at QB next week, please?




                                                                              ???         
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 10, 2010, 09:23:39 PM
Quote from: Hawks88 on October 10, 2010, 05:15:52 PM
Well, finally home where I can get some internet and get a look at the box score. By the numbers it looks like we played a lot better than we did. The key line in the box score? Millsaps - 4 penalties for 37 yards. Nothing else to say.

Actually there are two things to say:
1)  Huntingdon only got flagged 8 times for 52 yards so it's hard for either teams to claim that they were jobbed by the refs.
2)  Millsaps obviously learned their lesson from last week when penalties, especially pointless personal foul penalties, were a major factor in the lost to DePauw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 10, 2010, 09:53:16 PM
Coach Pelch removed some of the offenders (personal fouls, etc in previous weeks) fromthe ranks of Captain for this game, as punishment.   He also benched a key defensive player who cursed and backtalked him.   A little discipline may be finally arriving, too bad those penalties already cost games!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 11, 2010, 01:39:42 PM
Got my first live look at DePauw this weekend.  The offense wasn't completely in sync in the first half, but still rang up 28 points on 6 drives.  Missed a long FG, fumbled a punt, and then scored on their last four drives.  It's still such an efficient, wear-you-down, fundamentally sound system.  Short passes & screens with power running just wears you down until you fall asleep on the deep stuff. 

Plus, I think that defense is much improved from what we saw in the final three halves of last season.  I think the thing you notice right away is how much height there is on the CBs.  Myron Burr looked to me to be every bit of the 6'2" he's listed at.  Probably helped that he was defending a guy listed at 5'7".  There have been some very good DBs through that school in the last decade, names like Tillis, Blackburn, Christophersen, Ugokwe, Partlow, Huff, Clark, Sylvester, Berigan, and Pruitt.  Contrary to what the roster said, I'm not sure a single one of them was actually 6'0".  It's kinda nice actually having height over there.

I'll say this, I think DePauw is better than everybody left on their schedule.  That doesn't necessarily mean they win them all, but they probably should. They still haven't won in San Antonio.  That Austin game is the perfect set up for a trap game if DePauw has the conference locked up with Monon looming.  On top of all that, being the better team going to Monon doesn't mean a thing. 

By the way, I think Adrian is a little better than that 2-3 shows.  Plus there's that whole MIAA not being very good thing.  I think they're better than they look.  Played Trine to a score.  Whitewater beat them (only) 35-0.  Better take it seriously this week or that's one that'll sneak up on you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 11, 2010, 04:59:33 PM
QuotePlus, I think that defense is much improved from what we saw in the final three halves of last season.  I think the thing you notice right away is how much height there is on the CBs.  Myron Burr looked to me to be every bit of the 6'2" he's listed at.

yep...I didn't remember hearing too much about Burr when he was at Ritter in Indy, but the coaches were high on him coming in...got some length and is athletic...your read on the rest of the regular season is right on...

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on October 11, 2010, 06:39:57 PM
I don't 'disagree' with ETG..... Davidson has been good behind a strong O-line,,,  Dickinson has been good too... running back situation may cause a change.... it may be time to 'jump-start' things with McKissic...  let's wait and see what the coaches think....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on October 11, 2010, 09:09:36 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 11, 2010, 01:39:42 PM
By the way, I think Adrian is a little better than that 2-3 shows.  Plus there's that whole MIAA not being very good thing.  I think they're better than they look.  Played Trine to a score.  Whitewater beat them (only) 35-0.  Better take it seriously this week or that's one that'll sneak up on you.

Agreed - this matchup caught my eye as well.  Those scores indicate a pretty good team to me - one that will give DePauw all they want on Saturday.  Pretty good non-conference test in the middle of the season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2010, 09:17:35 AM
Update on Hendrix football (http://thecabin.net/news/local/2010-10-10/much-still-be-done-hendrix-can-resume-former-sport) from the local daily.   Net-net:  still planned but basically a whole lot of nuthin goin' on.    Thanks, Pat, for posting the link in the 'what we're reading' section.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2010, 02:07:11 PM
You betcha.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 14, 2010, 12:14:41 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 10, 2010, 12:01:53 AM
Murphy was in attendance on the east sideline today.  First TLU pass was nearly picked off.  Forced a fumble a couple of plays later that would have been returned for six but the play had been whistled dead a couple of milliseconds earlier.  All those trips into the red zone with nothing to show for them ... at least one blocked FG and possibly another partially blocked at the end of the first half - very odd looking ball and for Biel to be short on a 40-yd kick is highly unusual.  The defense was totally gassed in the third.

Hope your son's injury isn't too serious, Tex.


MRI today.  We'll know soon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2010, 04:12:03 PM
In celebration of the 20th anniversary of the SCAC, the conference will be naming the top 20 moments in all sports it sponsors (except LAX).  The first installment, featuring men's cross-country, was posted this afternoon.

Bookmark the SCAC 20th Anniversary site (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/anniversary20/main) and see the top moments in all your favorite sports as the year progresses.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2010, 10:57:06 AM
DPU isn't getting much love from Ryan Tipps in this week's Triple Take (http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/10/15/triple-take-unbeaten-and-unranked/).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 15, 2010, 12:32:00 PM
Agree with Ryan on the intimidation factor - they have played the top team and another in the top 15.  Also agree that this could be a close game.  However, Adrian is NOT a passing team.  They run twice as much as they throw.  We will see.  If DePauw does win and wins handily, I expect Ryan will start to show DPU some deserved love in the poll.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 15, 2010, 03:24:44 PM
Part of the problem is that by the time it's all said and done, there's a chance that DePauw won't play anybody really respectable.  There's a possibility Trinity will lose again, if not twice more.  Centre may lose again.  Who knows what's left for Wabash?  They could show up 8-1, 5-4, or somewhere in between.  There may not be one good team on that schedule by year's end.  Hurts in the polls, but it also hurts because their OWP will be in the tank.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 16, 2010, 01:48:29 PM
Has not gone well for DePauw early.  Down 10-3 early 2nd Q.  DePauw has moved the ball, but is 1-6 on 3rd down.  They were driving until a sack on 3rd & 2.  They shanked a punt and Adrian has it near midfield.

EDIT: And then Taylor Wagner takes a punt to the house.  10-10.  First punt return since Adam Sisson did it in the fog on the mountain in 2003.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 02:08:47 PM
Shades of the Juan Joseph era, Millsaps gets the opening kickoff and goes about 70 yards in 2:08 to take a 7-0 lead at Rhodes.  Rhodes just fumbled the ball on the kickoff.  Millsaps ball at Rhodes 26.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 02:15:07 PM
Rhodes helps out Millsaps with two major fouls and Millsaps scores again.  It is now 14-0 with 11:24 still left in the first quarter.  The good news for Rhodes is that there's still A LOT of time left in the game.  The Rangers found out last night that the game ain't over till it's over.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 02:19:01 PM
Lots of time left.  With 10:14 left in 1st quarter it is now 14-7 Millsaps.  Rhodes had kickoff return to 37, then a 56-yard running play, then scored 2 plays later.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 02:32:49 PM
With 3:17 left in 1st quarter, Millsaps gets their 3rd passing TD to take a 21-7 lead. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 02:39:14 PM
With 1:25 to go in first, Millsaps 28-7 over Rhodes with their 4th passing TD.  This time it was Shane Bowser throwing the pass out of a wildcat formation, a 70-yard pass to Fawcett.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 02:49:44 PM
Rhodes puts together a nice drive that stalls in the red zone.  They settle for a FG and it is 28-10 with 12:24 to go in first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 02:56:00 PM
My plan was to post after every score.  I didn't think that would mean 7 posts with 9:58 still left in the first half.  Bowser scores on a short TD run, Millsaps 35-10 over Rhodes.

Millsaps with 315 yards of offense--262 passing and 53 rushing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 03:03:14 PM
Rhodes scores to close the gap to 35-17 with 5:09 to go in the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 16, 2010, 03:13:46 PM
Koors has a pair of TD catches in the 2nd half.  Adrian just scored on a long TD pass.  It's 23-17 with 9 to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 03:17:32 PM
In what is possibly my last post of the 1st half, Millsaps scores another passing TD to go up 42-17 with 52 seconds left. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 16, 2010, 03:21:47 PM
DePauw gets down close and misses a FG.  Adrian has it down 6 with 4:19 to go on their own 20.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 03:24:26 PM
In what I think will now be my last post of the first half, Hawkins gets an interception, returns it about 25 yards.  Millsaps throws about a 25 yards TD pass.  Now 49-17 Millsaps and the horn goes off during the kickoff return.

Pinciotti for Millsaps has hit 13 of 16 for 271 yards and 5 TDs.  Bowser has rushed for 66 yards and a TD, plus thrown a 70 yard TD pass.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 16, 2010, 03:30:17 PM
Adrian takes the ball all the way down to the DPU 17 yard line before fumbling.  DePauw's got it deep in their own end with 2:59 to go.  Two or three first downs probably ends this thing.

EDIT: Not done yet.  1 run and two incomplete passes eats up exactly 6 seconds.  DePauw takes the intentional safety to make the score 23-19.  2:30 left and Adrian's at midfield.

EDIT #2: Adrian gets TO THE ONE and can't get it in on two tries.  DePauw wins 23-19.  There was a lot to digest there in the last three or four minutes.  Should have never been there if DePauw makes a 30 yd FG and makes an extra point.  Don't get much closer than that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 03:54:49 PM
From an extremely tight game to a head scratcher as Bowser runs 31 yards to put Millsaps up 56-17 with 10:18 left in the 3rd. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 04:05:27 PM
Rhodes gets 25-yard TD pass to make the score 56-24 with 3:59 to go in the 3rd.  Millsaps is playing a lot of players but since they are the visitors they only have 60 players and can only go so deep with the subs.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 04:28:07 PM
With 11:53 left, Millsaps 70-24 over Rhodes.  Taylor Weaver scored on a short run and then a series later Millsaps returned a punt about 70 yards and then Darious Allen rushes for his first Millsaps TD.  It's hard to tell by the webcast, but it sounds like a lot of subs playing for Millsaps and quite possibly by Rhodes as well. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 04:54:15 PM
Final in Memphis has Millsaps winning 70-31 over Rhodes.  Lots of impressive offensive number for Millsaps as you can see at this live stats link:

http://www.sidearmstats.com/rhodes/football/index.htm

Taylor Russolino set a SCAC record with the 10 PATs.  Was surprised that he had been tied with several others for that record at just 8. 

In other action Trinity won at Sewanee 17-3, Birmingham Southern took a home victory by a 44-21 score over Austin, and as mentioned in an earlier post, DePauw held on at the goal line to win 23-19 over Adrian.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 16, 2010, 05:01:47 PM
By the way, I see that some of the Trinity followers on this board got their wish this week.  McKissic started at QB for Trinity, finishing 12 for 23 for 175 yards, with 2 interceptions and 1 TD.  He also rushed 7 times for 13 yards.  Not great stats, but it was his first start in quite a while. 

With Trinity making this move at the QB position, it certainly throws a bit of the unknown into nexts weeks game against DePauw.

Box score:  http://sewaneetigers.com/documents/2010/10/16/SEW-TRIN.HTM
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 17, 2010, 03:19:31 PM
QuoteWith Trinity making this move at the QB position, it certainly throws a bit of the unknown into nexts weeks game against DePauw.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I've got to believe that DePauw will exorcise a lot of demons on its final trip to San Antonio. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 17, 2010, 03:42:23 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 17, 2010, 03:19:31 PM
QuoteWith Trinity making this move at the QB position, it certainly throws a bit of the unknown into nexts weeks game against DePauw.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I've got to believe that DePauw will exorcise a lot of demons on its final trip to San Antonio. ;)

Gotta play better.  That was a good team that showed up in Greencastle yesterday, but that was not a good enough effort on either side of the ball by DePauw.  Mistakes, missed kicks, and a crappy 3rd down percentage. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on October 17, 2010, 10:40:19 PM
Before the season started, some of us briefly discussed predictions for how the season would turn out -- and the accuracy of such predictions. At the time, I wondered if simply the number of seniors on each roster -- without to regard to how many might be starters or not -- might be just as good an indicator as anything else.

Based on a very quick look at online rosters a few minutes ago, here are the number of seniors on each roster in the SCAC:
DePauw: 30
Centre: 20
Birmingham Southern: 19
Austin: 15
Millsaps: 14
Trinity: 10
Rhodes: 9
Sewanee: 7

And here are the win-loss records for each team through this past weekend:
DePauw: 6-0
Centre: 4-2
Birmingham Southern: 4-2
Millsaps: 4-3
Austin: 3-3
Trinity: 3-3
Rhodes: 2-4
Sewanee: 1-6

Seems to be a pretty strong correlation, at least based on the first part of this one season.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 18, 2010, 07:06:41 AM
Very interesting.  I remember being at a Millsaps senior athletes appreciation dinner after Coach DuBose first season.  He had something like 6-8 seniors that year and he talked about needing to build the program to the point where there were 20-25 seniors each year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on October 18, 2010, 09:52:46 AM
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2010, 12:23:12 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on October 17, 2010, 03:42:23 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 17, 2010, 03:19:31 PM
QuoteWith Trinity making this move at the QB position, it certainly throws a bit of the unknown into nexts weeks game against DePauw.

That's an interesting way to look at it. I've got to believe that DePauw will exorcise a lot of demons on its final trip to San Antonio. ;)

Gotta play better.  That was a good team that showed up in Greencastle yesterday, but that was not a good enough effort on either side of the ball by DePauw.  Mistakes, missed kicks, and a crappy 3rd down percentage. 

To win Saturday, Trinity will have to play the best game of the season.  The defense needs play like it did against B-SC and Sewanee; the passing game has to gain consistency.    TU also needs to make the best use of its usually strong special teams play. 

It would help if we could go an entire game without more injuries, too.   :(   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 19, 2010, 01:12:20 PM
QuoteTo win Saturday, Trinity will have to play the best game of the season.  The defense needs play like it did against B-SC and Sewanee; the passing game has to gain consistency.    TU also needs to make the best use of its usually strong special teams play. 

It would help if we could go an entire game without more injuries, too.   

Ron,
I think they are need Trinity's vaunted 12th man...the officials...sorry, couldn't resist... :) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 19, 2010, 01:32:53 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 19, 2010, 01:12:20 PM
QuoteTo win Saturday, Trinity will have to play the best game of the season.  The defense needs play like it did against B-SC and Sewanee; the passing game has to gain consistency.    TU also needs to make the best use of its usually strong special teams play. 

It would help if we could go an entire game without more injuries, too.   

Ron,
I think they are need Trinity's vaunted 12th man...the officials...sorry, couldn't resist... :) 

Well since you brought it up... 

It's sad that most DePauw fans think they probably need to be 14 or 17 points better than Trinity right out of the gate just to have a shot to win the game because of what the officials are going to do.  Maybe they'll miss 4 or 5 3rd downs because the spots are off by MORE THAN A YARD like they did in 2003 and 2007.  DePauw may not commit more penalties, but I'm certain the flags thrown on DePauw will be at more critical times.  Maybe they'll just run the clock all the time when DePauw is behind like they did two years ago.  Who knows?  We'll find out on Saturday.

I hate this game.  I hate it.  I hate having to deal with all the garbage that comes with going to play with Trinity.  Somehow, you'd think this would happen in the NCAA.  But it does and it's a shame.  It's like that scene in the semi-final game on Remember the Titans, except there's no coach to ever tell those guys to call the game straight.  Hopefully what's-his-ass who has been the line judge for every game for the last 10 years is still there. 

I think DePauw is probably about 2 scores (maybe more) better than Trinity on a neutral site.  I'd be shocked if they're 3 POINTS better on Saturday, regardless of how good or bad they play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 19, 2010, 03:06:08 PM
QuoteWell since you brought it up...  

It's sad that most DePauw fans think they probably need to be 14 or 17 points better than Trinity right out of the gate just to have a shot to win the game because of what the officials are going to do.  Maybe they'll miss 4 or 5 3rd downs because the spots are off by MORE THAN A YARD like they did in 2003 and 2007.  DePauw may not commit more penalties, but I'm certain the flags thrown on DePauw will be at more critical times.  Maybe they'll just run the clock all the time when DePauw is behind like they did two years ago.  Who knows?  We'll find out on Saturday.

I hate this game.  I hate it.  I hate having to deal with all the garbage that comes with going to play with Trinity.  Somehow, you'd think this would happen in the NCAA.  But it does and it's a shame.  It's like that scene in the semi-final game on Remember the Titans, except there's no coach to ever tell those guys to call the game straight.  Hopefully what's-his-ass who has been the line judge for every game for the last 10 years is still there.  

I think DePauw is probably about 2 scores (maybe more) better than Trinity on a neutral site.  I'd be shocked if they're 3 POINTS better on Saturday, regardless of how good or bad they play.

Yeah...and in that infamous clock game in 2008, they even managed to call a DePauw extra point that went between the uprights no good...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Schwami on October 19, 2010, 03:20:41 PM
Oh, and then there is the omnipotent 13th man that can be brought in when needed --- like when they brought in a hurricane so the game couldn't be played.   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 19, 2010, 05:45:26 PM
Dang, it sounds like we needed those officials when DePauw was at Millsaps this year! :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 20, 2010, 07:22:53 AM

You're already making excuses?  Trinity has had the better team every year until last year.  No matter what you might say about the officials, that's just a fact.

DePauw is far, far superior now on a level the officials shouldn't be able to overcome.  If they don't win, like Rhodes and Millsaps have both done in San Antonio this year, shame on DPU.  For goodness's sake just leave it at that.  Success is a burden, but get used to it because y'all are in charge now.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 20, 2010, 06:13:29 PM
What excuse did I make? If they win, they win. If they lose, they lose. If they get hosed, they get hosed. That's part of going to Trinity. DePauw has done plenty of losing on that field without any help, but they've also done more than a little losing with help, as I've cited above. It's just a part of the trip you have to overcome.

The sad thing is how unwelcome DePauw's entire travel party is at Trinity. I got that feeling a lot of other places in this conference, but TU's the only place I've ever heard it. I've been told that to my face by players, fans, parents and the like. That's quite alright, too. It's well within their rights and I don't need a lollipop because somebody's Mom was mean to me. However, I was also told that by one of Trinity's teflon football officials. That's really sad, isn't it? Us "yankees" aren't welcome and need to go back home. THAT'S FROM AN OFFICIAL!! Unacceptable. That's the sort of stuff that has happened every trip for 12 years. That doesn't have much to do with the actual officiating, but I wonder how unbiased the crew is when at least one of them wants the northerners to go back home.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on October 21, 2010, 11:21:20 AM
That's kinda of funny, don't people know Indiana is pretty much a southern state with the only difference being basketball being the sport rather than football, at least that's how i viewed the deal when leaving there, the colts might have changed things thouugh. It would make more sense/fun if Connecticut college was making a southern roadtrip to get a few barbs in by the locales. Of course, the ohio gangs might also try to team up on depauw come 2012 football season...all part of the game for the road team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 21, 2010, 09:19:42 PM
QuoteThat's kinda of funny, don't people know Indiana is pretty much a southern state with the only difference being basketball being the sport rather than football, at least that's how i viewed the deal when leaving there, the colts might have changed things thouugh. It would make more sense/fun if Connecticut college was making a southern roadtrip to get a few barbs in by the locales. Of course, the ohio gangs might also try to team up on depauw come 2012 football season...all part of the game for the road team.   

Actually, cush, there are more than a few people who suggest, believe it or not, that Indiana IS a football state...and I would agree...certainly not on the level of Texas or Ohio...but I believe football has replaced basketball as the king of sports in Indiana...arrival of Colts has helped...many other factors too...but Indiana is producing more DI guys...but importantly solid DII, DIII and NAIA kids as well...level of play and coaching much better than a decade ago...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 21, 2010, 09:35:38 PM
QuoteThe sad thing is how unwelcome DePauw's entire travel party is at Trinity. I got that feeling a lot of other places in this conference, but TU's the only place I've ever heard it. I've been told that to my face by players, fans, parents and the like. That's quite alright, too. It's well within their rights and I don't need a lollipop because somebody's Mom was mean to me. However, I was also told that by one of Trinity's teflon football officials. That's really sad, isn't it? Us "yankees" aren't welcome and need to go back home. THAT'S FROM AN OFFICIAL!! Unacceptable. That's the sort of stuff that has happened every trip for 12 years. That doesn't have much to do with the actual officiating, but I wonder how unbiased the crew is when at least one of them wants the northerners to go back home.

This is a very accurate description. Hey, I'm all about going into enemy territory and getting hassled a bit...part of the game and back and forth of competition. But it seemed to me at Trinity it was high school stuff...fron the Barney Fife's on bicyles harrassing tailgaters drinking beer out of cups to the rabbit-eared officials...to the stuff that Wes mentioned...all true. Haven't seen that anywhere else...and surprising for a program that has accomplished as much as Trinity...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on October 22, 2010, 02:11:50 AM
What excuse did I make?: "If they get hosed, they get hosed. That's part of going to Trinity."

"Us "yankees" aren't welcome and need to go back home." although "That doesn't have much to do with the actual officiating..."

"northerners".  Really?  Josey Wales might be on the sidelines so be careful.

Criminy.

All that said - I'll watch from Honolulu as I eat my loco moco (a Hawaiian thing) and be thrilled that I can watch no matter the outcome.  Good stuff!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2010, 09:17:33 AM
Updated weather forecast for SA:  50% chance of rain, and according to the NWS "there remains a threat for severe weather toward the late morning into the afternoon hours."  Highs in the mid-80s. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 23, 2010, 10:29:19 AM
QuoteUpdated weather forecast for SA:  50% chance of rain, and according to the NWS "there remains a threat for severe weather toward the late morning into the afternoon hours."  Highs in the mid-80s. 

Hope it's not a repeat of the lightening game in 2006 which became a 2-day affair... >:(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Fripp52 on October 23, 2010, 11:06:50 AM
I think all the weather is to the north.  At 10 AM it's sunny with plenty of clouds, but no wind so far.

Looking forward to a good game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 23, 2010, 11:23:29 AM
QuoteI think all the weather is to the north.  At 10 AM it's sunny with plenty of clouds, but no wind so far.

Looking forward to a good game.

Bring home a win!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 23, 2010, 01:21:52 PM
Go Tigers. Keep the streak alive.
;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
good grief. How about talking about the game itself? Enough complaing about officiating.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 23, 2010, 01:59:29 PM
Lightning delay has pushed the AC/Rhodes game back to 1:30, and it is absolutely pouring rain here in Sherman. Gonna make for one sloppy field...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2010, 02:03:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2010, 01:48:55 PM
good grief. How about talking about the game itself? Enough complaing about officiating.

It IS the game itself.  Why do you think I even brought it up? 

I don't think DePauw wins close today.  They'll either win by more than a score or lose.  They'll need to get out to a good sized lead, I think, because Trinity will get back in it late.  All that momentum will be in Trinity's favor late.  The Old Gold have to get after the Black Flag pretty good in the first half, I think.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 23, 2010, 02:05:53 PM
Trying to watch the webcast (Millspas warmups)    Does anyone know how to make it bigger than the 2 X 2 inch square screen??   Thanks,  TT1

Got it.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2010, 02:53:07 PM
Couple of typical DePauw drives to start.  Got it down inside the 5 and failed on 4th down after 17 plays.  Got it back after a punt and Engle finds Colin Doran behind everybody after DePauw had run almost nothing but short stuff.  7-0.

Then TU comes back and gets a bomb to Urban on the first play.  7-7.

Koors just broke free on a 38 yarder.  14-7.  Buckle up.

Markham Stayton catches McKissic's second of the day.  14-14.  Then TU recovers a rather confusing (again!) onside kick.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 23, 2010, 03:17:45 PM
Another lightning delay in Sherman, and we just heard a ton of thunder as the delay nears the end. 10 minutes left in the delay, but lots of lightning still around here.

This one might not get played.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
ANOTHER big pass play to Urban.  35 yarder to make it 21-14 TU.  TU's 3 scoring plays are 64, 22, and 35 yards.  McKissic is 7-7 for 153 & 3 scores.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 23, 2010, 03:46:11 PM
Millsaps game:  16-3, Millsaps   alsmost half time

UPDATE::

Centre hits a 52 yard FG,

16-6   at halftime
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2010, 03:49:42 PM
This game is 21-14 TU at half.  DePauw has been inside the five yard line twice with 0 points to show for it.  They've given up 3 deep pass plays and an onside kick.  Ought to be down a lot more than just the 7.

Biel has kicked a 33 yarder.  24-14.  8 minutes left in the third.

Koors just caught his 2nd TD of the day.  A 30 yarder that he made a GREAT catch on over the top of 2 defenders.  He's now got 7 catches for 114 & the 2 scores.  24-21 TU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 23, 2010, 04:28:28 PM
23 - 6  Millsaps over Centre; Mid Q 3
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 23, 2010, 04:37:35 PM
Austin College and Rhodes have suspended their game due to lightning. Play will resume at 11:00 AM (CST) tomorrow morning with the score still 0-0, 3:18 left in the first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2010, 04:42:21 PM
24-24.  Malm just hit a 41 yarder.  11 minutes left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on October 23, 2010, 04:56:32 PM
Centre scored. It's now 23-12. Two pt conv failed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2010, 05:01:57 PM
McKissic has sure been hit pretty hard today.  7 sacks for DePauw.  They force a punt.  DPU has it at their own 42 with 1:54.

Engle just gave a pick 6 down near TU's 30.  31-24 TU.  1:19 left.

Koors is inexpliably WIDE OPEN for a 34 yarder.  Then Robby goes for 2 and gets it on a fade to Nathan Evans.  32-31.  DePauw wins!  Took until the last time they played there to win, but it still counts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on October 23, 2010, 05:11:09 PM
Millsaps just scored. Looks like this one is over in Danville.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 23, 2010, 05:20:47 PM
Trinity takes the lead 31-24 with just a minute left on a Ben Robinson INT returned 67 yards for a TD.  DPU responds by going down the field in just about 5 plays, scores a TD on a short pass, then goes for TWO.  Pass complete in corner of end zone.  DePauw takes the lead 32-31.  Trinity has 20 seconds, but can't move the ball and DPU wins.

Almost, TU.  Must have been the officials the Indiana Tigers brought down for their last try at EM Stevens.  I guess the home field advantage was just a point short today.

Keep your heads up Trinity ... there's still more games to play.  Very impressive performance against the SCAC champs today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 23, 2010, 06:00:30 PM

We've finally learned the secret to the Tigers' incredible home winning streak that was snapped in 2007-

Better players

Yes, traveling all the way to SAT is tough, but the players on the field were always the real difference maker.  Today, the Tigers gave everything they had to win this game.  Given the matchup, it's something of which we can all be proud.  However, the DePauw Tigers had Alex Koors and for him Trinity just has no answer.  There were others that are also great, but in the end, DePauw went to their better players for the plays they needed and gave us a dose of our own medicine.

We can be proud of our performance, but a loss like this has to be devastating for the players.  Trinity does not take the field to merely play well.  To leave the field with a loss at any level of performance is equally sickening.

On to next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2010, 07:15:46 PM
That's probably the greatest game in the history of this series.  I'm sure we could have a debate about it (2004), but that was an AWESOME football game on both sides.

That's such a great call to go for two.  Good decision, good play call, good execution.  DePauw was lucky to even have that chance considering how many mistakes they made.  Awful sloppy today, but had it when they needed it.

The question is now how motivated this team will be down the stretch.  They've never been in this position.  They only had the Bell game to play last year after they clinched.  You've got to stay sharp for 2 more weeks before Monon.  10-0 is a long way off with some good teams between now and then, but that'll going a long way in helping your draw in the North.  Don't shoot yourself in foot here and punch your ticket to Alliance or Whitewater.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2010, 10:24:17 PM
While the outcome was not what I desired, I take a great deal of pride at how the guys competed today.  If the pass on the two point conversion is an inch or two higher Evans either doesn't pull it down or doesn't get it in time to get that foot down in bounds.  Gutsy call by Coach Long to go for the W at the end and Engle put the ball exactly where it had to go.   I told my brother that Trinity shouldn't assume they had the game won after the pick six (and, sadly, called the final pass to Koors).    Also pretty gutsy to throw it to Evans after he dropped that other pass late. 

That Trinity had the lead until the end given eight sacks and constant pressure on McKissick (to none of Engle - since when is a zero yard rush a sack?), a ton of penalties (including a couple of obvious face masks), and everything else is a tribute to all the guys who played today and the coaching staff who worked their tails off to get a struggling .500 team prepared.   

BTW, Wes, we had a nice chat with one of your trustees at the game - an older gentleman with a daughter who went to Trinity when I was doing graduate work and a granddaughter who's there now.  Any idea who that might be?  We didn't get his name.    And I agree, this was probably the best game I saw in SA in the series.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 23, 2010, 10:27:18 PM
I do not know who that is, Ron. They don't really let me around the trustees. :D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on October 23, 2010, 10:47:21 PM
Great game by both teams today.  Hardly a "messy" game by DePauw.  They were machine-like in execution (very Trinity-like :)  ) and apart from big plays by TU dominated the game. 

Well done.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 24, 2010, 11:11:32 AM
Kudos to both Tigers on an incredible game Satuday. Big for DPU to go on the road and pull out a victory. Impressive for a Trinity team that is thought to be "down" to compete the way they did.  Sorry the series is ending.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: labart96 on October 24, 2010, 11:21:02 AM
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 24, 2010, 03:02:51 PM
24 hours and 15 minutes after they started on Saturday, Austin College downs Rhodes 17-16. Travis Zambiasi completed a 17 yard fade pass to Greg Harrell in the back of the endzone with 1:07 left in the game to give the 'Roos the win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 24, 2010, 10:32:39 PM
DePauw is the first team out in the new Top 25.  Wabash fell out despite doing their duty against NCAC bottom-feeders.  The LG's are the second team out.  Time for them to really make some hay, though.  That group has Gheny, @Witt & Monon to finish.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 28, 2010, 09:13:44 PM

How about Hampden-Sydney pulling a #1 ranking the South Region?

I looked at scores and that just seems like a stretch.  They definitely don't merit the ranking on strength of schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on October 29, 2010, 09:34:58 PM
Senior Day at Millsaps and a few other colleges, I would assume.

Hopefully the Majors can add another 'W' against Sewanee.

With only 2 games to go, I feel that sad feeling of the end of the season fast approaching.......
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on October 30, 2010, 02:31:05 PM
DePauw beats BSC 30-23.  DPU able to kill the last 4:51 on the clock with a 9 play drive.  Pretty close game throughout.  DePauw kept BSC in check early, but the Panthers went for almost 200 yards in the second half. 

It's kinda nice having BSC & Austin back-to-back on the schedule, because you lump those two run-heavy teams together.  Different systems & schemes, but you stay in that run defense mode. 

14 days until the greatest day of the year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 02, 2010, 11:35:16 AM
This week's D3 Top 25 Fan Poll has been released!

www.uwwfootball.blogspot.com

For discussion, go to general football as there is a thread for this poll...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 06, 2010, 05:43:11 PM
Hello????   Hello????  Have we all gone away ??
;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2010, 06:18:42 PM
Not been the most exciting conference race this year (unless you're a DPU fan), sad to say.  Trinity will be a sub-.500 team for the first time this century after today's 26-7 loss at Centre.   

DePauw clinched their first-ever SCAC championship (as opposed to co-championship) with their 30-20 win over Austin.  It's also the first time they've started a season 9-0.  They need to win the Monon Bell game to get a good seed (and home game) in the playoffs. 

BSC clobbered Rhodes 41-19.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 07, 2010, 01:30:32 AM
Personally, there is one big game left in the SCAC and that is Austin College at Trinity next week.  This could be the year!  ;) :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 07, 2010, 02:52:44 PM
QuotePersonally, there is one big game left in the SCAC and that is Austin College at Trinity next week.  This could be the year!   

I like the optimism...and you may be right!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 07, 2010, 11:00:55 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 07, 2010, 01:30:32 AM
Personally, there is one big game left in the SCAC and that is Austin College at Trinity next week.  This could be the year!  ;) :)

Sign of the end times...

Dallas Cowboys in last place;
Texas Rangers (Senators)  beat the New York Yankees to win the AL Pennant;
Baylor Bears beating Texas and sitting higher in the standings of the Big XII South...

Who knows?  Austin College might be beat Trinity for the first time since 1993.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 09, 2010, 05:47:18 PM
The Trinity-Austin College gametime for Saturday's Senior Day at TU has been changed to a 1PM CST start.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 09, 2010, 05:49:03 PM
Game time for the AC vs Trinity game has been changed from 1:30 to 1:00.  Other events on campus (Trinity is hosting soccer playoffs) prompted Trinity to ask for earlier start and AC agreed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Frank Rossi on November 10, 2010, 02:30:23 PM
We've got Regional Rankings... Final time for the season that we'll see them:

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/10/ncaas-third-regional-rankings/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2010, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 10, 2010, 02:30:23 PM
We've got Regional Rankings... Final time for the season that we'll see them:

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/10/ncaas-third-regional-rankings/

Looking good for a DPU home playoff game with a W on Saturday ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 12, 2010, 07:41:29 AM
The end of the season is literally around the corner......I'll share a few thoughts at the closing of many athletic careers:

To All:  In these rapidly waning days of  the 2010 Football season, I have found myself a bit more reserved when the 'football topic' comes up in conversation with friends and co-workers.  This is a conscious decision, one made out of recognition and respect for many.  Whom, you may ask, are the 'many'?

The 'many' include all of the athletes that are preparing to suit up for their last real competitive football game.  The seniors, who have shed their sweat since childhood, learning and playing a game they have grown to love.  All of the players who waited nervously by a bulletin board in a school locker room or clubhouse to see if their name was listed a member of the team or if they would have to wait just one more season to pursue their passion.  Young men that struggled with the demands of sports, academics and personal lives; who learned to incorporate a girlfriend into the demands of time and who often pushed parents or step-parents away as they sought that elusive life-balance.  Athletes who sought sleep with the burden of an important reception dropped or field goal pushed wide, of a fumble made or a tackle missed, of opportunities squandered or energies misspent.  The same athletes who greet the new morning with the knowledge that they have been given one more chance at gridiron redemption, one more chance to enter the arena and 'get in the game.'  To those athletes who are preparing for that final chance, I give my appreciation and my respect.

The 'many' also includes the parents, step-parents, guardians and mentors of the athletes.  What emotions you must have as you near the culmination of your young man's sports career.  The memories of an early morning or late evening drive to the practice field, the extra 'reps' at home, the breathless anticipation of watching a boy enter his first huddle and the all-encompassing pride as four, eight, ten or even fifteen years later they clap hands one final time and emerge from that huddle, seemingly suddenly, a man.  How much love and pride expressed by a nod, a handshake, a hug, a kiss or a tear-filled gaze cast across a cinder track as easily as a dining room table have you freely given?  Miles of travel, hours in booster club activities, bank accounts full of fees, uniforms, cleats, camps, doctors' bills and awards banquets with nothing asked in return; no quid pro quo for victories or recognition, only enjoyment as its' own reward.  I give my respect and admiration to all of you for the years of faithful, selfless commitment.

'Many' includes the coaches; men and women who have devoted so much of their lives to forming our children, not just as athletes, but as people.  Coaches who were workmen or lawyers during the day, but put the whistle around their neck and became a teacher in the afternoon.  What did they ask in return for deciding a little league roster, nurturing the stars while not discouraging those who were less gifted, comforting children through their first experience of losing?  I dare suggest not much was asked in return other than effort and passion.  For those long hours, moments of impact, mounting responsibilities and helping make the parents work easier, I offer my respect.

Finally, to the 'many' fans who have offered their support to those players closing this one chapter of their young lives.  On their behalf, thank you for cheering when they entered the field, hobbled up from an injury or pranced away victorious.  Thank you for your silence when mistakes were made, games were lost and tears flowed.  Thank you for sharing winning seasons, losing streaks, cold rainy nights, games played under diminishing light, our sons' achievements, defeats, failures, coaching changes, injuries, passionate play and helping us realize there is always another day, another game, another season.

Except sometimes, there just isn't.



My thoughts and prayers will be with all of you throughout this final week for safe travels, an injury-free game day and joy-filled, peaceful lives.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 12, 2010, 02:54:48 PM
QuoteThe end of the season is literally around the corner......I'll share a few thoughts at the closing of many athletic careers:

To All:  In these rapidly waning days of  the 2010 Football season, I have found myself a bit more reserved when the 'football topic' comes up in conversation with friends and co-workers.  This is a conscious decision, one made out of recognition and respect for many.  Whom, you may ask, are the 'many'?

The 'many' include all of the athletes that are preparing to suit up for their last real competitive football game.  The seniors, who have shed their sweat since childhood, learning and playing a game they have grown to love.  All of the players who waited nervously by a bulletin board in a school locker room or clubhouse to see if their name was listed a member of the team or if they would have to wait just one more season to pursue their passion.  Young men that struggled with the demands of sports, academics and personal lives; who learned to incorporate a girlfriend into the demands of time and who often pushed parents or step-parents away as they sought that elusive life-balance.  Athletes who sought sleep with the burden of an important reception dropped or field goal pushed wide, of a fumble made or a tackle missed, of opportunities squandered or energies misspent.  The same athletes who greet the new morning with the knowledge that they have been given one more chance at gridiron redemption, one more chance to enter the arena and 'get in the game.'  To those athletes who are preparing for that final chance, I give my appreciation and my respect.

The 'many' also includes the parents, step-parents, guardians and mentors of the athletes.  What emotions you must have as you near the culmination of your young man's sports career.  The memories of an early morning or late evening drive to the practice field, the extra 'reps' at home, the breathless anticipation of watching a boy enter his first huddle and the all-encompassing pride as four, eight, ten or even fifteen years later they clap hands one final time and emerge from that huddle, seemingly suddenly, a man.  How much love and pride expressed by a nod, a handshake, a hug, a kiss or a tear-filled gaze cast across a cinder track as easily as a dining room table have you freely given?  Miles of travel, hours in booster club activities, bank accounts full of fees, uniforms, cleats, camps, doctors' bills and awards banquets with nothing asked in return; no quid pro quo for victories or recognition, only enjoyment as its' own reward.  I give my respect and admiration to all of you for the years of faithful, selfless commitment.

'Many' includes the coaches; men and women who have devoted so much of their lives to forming our children, not just as athletes, but as people.  Coaches who were workmen or lawyers during the day, but put the whistle around their neck and became a teacher in the afternoon.  What did they ask in return for deciding a little league roster, nurturing the stars while not discouraging those who were less gifted, comforting children through their first experience of losing?  I dare suggest not much was asked in return other than effort and passion.  For those long hours, moments of impact, mounting responsibilities and helping make the parents work easier, I offer my respect.

Finally, to the 'many' fans who have offered their support to those players closing this one chapter of their young lives.  On their behalf, thank you for cheering when they entered the field, hobbled up from an injury or pranced away victorious.  Thank you for your silence when mistakes were made, games were lost and tears flowed.  Thank you for sharing winning seasons, losing streaks, cold rainy nights, games played under diminishing light, our sons' achievements, defeats, failures, coaching changes, injuries, passionate play and helping us realize there is always another day, another game, another season.

Except sometimes, there just isn't.



My thoughts and prayers will be with all of you throughout this final week for safe travels, an injury-free game day and joy-filled, peaceful lives.

Thank you for writing and posting this. Very appropriate for lots of parents and student-athletes this time of year. Very nice.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on November 12, 2010, 06:51:42 PM
Thanks, feel free to share.

It has been a great ride and I hope Millsaps can close out it out with a win at Birmingham! 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 13, 2010, 03:26:12 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 10, 2010, 04:12:07 PM
Quote from: Frank Rossi on November 10, 2010, 02:30:23 PM
We've got Regional Rankings... Final time for the season that we'll see them:

http://d3blogs.com/d3football/2010/11/10/ncaas-third-regional-rankings/

Looking good for a DPU home playoff game with a W on Saturday ...

Maybe not so much right now.

Wabash 47
DePauw 0

This was a highly forgettable effort for the Indiana Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 13, 2010, 04:32:43 PM
Millsaps got off to a slow start as BSC picked off 3 passes in the first half, but Bowser rushed for over 200 yards and 2 TDs and Millsaps took the road victory 28-17.  The big game easily put Bowser over 1,000 yards rushing for the season and I believe he also was over 500 yards in receiving this season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2010, 04:48:59 PM
Trinity gets out to a big lead and it's a good thing as AC scores the last three touchdowns, the final one with no time remaining. Two point conversion makes the final score Trinity 28, Austin 24. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 13, 2010, 04:54:56 PM
Congratulations to the Trinity Tigers, especially the seniors, for finishing the season with a convincing win over Austin College in S.A.  Not as close as the score indicates as the Roos score in the closing minutes to bring it to 28-24.  Big thanks to Bob and Bill for bringing the webcast to all of us watching online from home.  Kudos to the Tiger seniors for defending the home turf one last time.  Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 14, 2010, 01:13:09 PM
DePauw has made a nasty habit of having to go back to the drawing board before this playoff game.  You really don't like having to do that when you're going to face the best team you'll play all year. 

The scheme stuff will probably work itself out, but the hard part is having to build the confidence back in your players.  This is a little different than last year, too, because DePauw was actually in that game.  Yesterday's game was over before it kicked off.  Took 'em out behind the woodshed.  I kinda wanted to find something positive that happened yesterday that they can build on, but I really couldn't.  Did not do one single thing well yesterday.  95 total yards.  25 rushes for 11 yards.  I could go on, but I wont.

It obviously depends on the draw, but this team has to focus on what they are doing and not let that disaster that happened yesterday get in their heads.  It's easy to have a short memory about losses, but it's really hard to have a short memory about getting killed by your rival in a game that you were probably expected to win.  That's not an easy thing to do.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2010, 04:23:59 PM
Wow, Wes, despite yesterday's meltdown of nuclear proportions, you get a home game with Trine.  Hope your guys can get their "A" game going again (and I'm not trying to be snarky).  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 14, 2010, 04:32:44 PM
Good luck to DePauw against Trine - time to put yesterday in the rear view and get ready for Saturday.  There shouldn't be any concerns regarding overconfidence, that's for sure.  But hey, at least you're still playing!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 14, 2010, 04:45:17 PM
You know, that's the age old debate - do you want a really favorable draw in Round 1 before you get sent to slaughter at Whitewater, or do you want to play that tougher game early and try to make a run at it.  I thought if they could have pushed Mount, UWW, or Wesley off on the horizon a ways, they'd have a chance to play for more than a couple of weekends.  That's not in the equation anymore.

They'll have a good shot on Saturday.  About as good as DePauw could have hoped for, I think.  Probably won't have any shot if they get by Trine.

EDIT: Apparently I'm in the dissenting opinion, though:

Quote from: MasterJedi on November 14, 2010, 03:45:38 PM
Trine got an easy first round draw with Depauw. Looking forward to seeing something new in two weeks since I'm going to assume Trine and UWW will win rather easily. Now we'll show you how an elite WIAC team plays.  ;)

EDIT 2: I'll say this: there were only two teams I really thought DePauw could beat in this region that they had the opportunity to be matched up against.  Those are Franklin and Trine.  I didn't want Witt.  I didn't want ONU.  I didn't want Thomas More.  I think DePauw is lucky to get this draw this year, like they were lucky to avoid one of the big ones last year when they went to Thomas More.  I don't think they'll win easily, but they'll have a better shot to win that game on Saturday than a lot of other opponents they could have been paired with in this tournament.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 14, 2010, 07:22:05 PM

just watched the game on dvr from hdnet.

wow.

worse than in person.

gotta make quicker reads...and stand in.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 14, 2010, 08:11:27 PM
This is going to be a long week if I have to hear that guy from Trine talk about how they're going to beat DePauw worse than Wabash did.  Trine beat two teams by more than 47.  Those teams combined to go 6-14.  That's an outrageous assertion.

I thought DePauw hadn't played anybody.  Then I looked at what Trine did.  220th in the country, which is sixth worse.  .360 OWP.  Trine's schedule makes DePauw look like they play in the AFC North.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2010, 11:37:14 PM
give 'em hell, DePauw... was hoping to see a rematch of last year as you have classy fans and a team which plays hard. 

Was shocked to see the Wabash final, but hey that $hit happens sometimes when events start to come together.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2010, 05:23:30 AM
The poster "MasterJedi" referenced below is not from the MIAA or Trine.  He is from Whitewater.  Trine fans are expecting this to be a very tight game.  Both your team and Trine played Adrian very similiarly so I suspect it will be a close one on Saturday!  As noted, the Trine strength of schedule was low this year.  We are anxious to see how we can do against a playoff team such as DePauw.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 15, 2010, 11:42:27 AM
Spent a somewhat sleepless night last night considering why, exactly, the NCAA would set this bracket that way.  It hit me about 4:45 that Wittenberg & Ohio Northern had to be too far away from Whitewater to bus.  What a great solution!  Make DePauw/Trine go play UWW because it's too far.  Somebody HAS to be the 3 then if you're going to make Whitewater the 2.  Then the argument just becomes if 9-1 DePauw > 10-0 Trine with crappy SOS.

Turns out, though, it's not too far for Witt or ONU to bus.  I'm stumped.  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2010, 12:09:01 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 15, 2010, 11:42:27 AM
Spent a somewhat sleepless night last night considering why, exactly, the NCAA would set this bracket that way.  It hit me about 4:45 that Wittenberg & Ohio Northern had to be too far away from Whitewater to bus.  What a great solution!  Make DePauw/Trine go play UWW because it's too far.  Somebody HAS to be the 3 then if you're going to make Whitewater the 2.  Then the argument just becomes if 9-1 DePauw > 10-0 Trine with crappy SOS.

Turns out, though, it's not too far for Witt or ONU to bus.  I'm stumped.  ???
Geographic proximity!   ;)    It is almost 100 miles closer for DePauw to go to Whitewater.    ;D

Also the South Region is feared for its depth and strength as a region. 

As a #3 seed, the alternative would be playing Wesley or UMHB in the second round.  Both of those are plane flights, tho'.     :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabco on November 15, 2010, 12:57:42 PM
Enjoyed the game Saturday ... obviously.  While don't even like the Dannies when we play them in any sport or contest ... still ... they are family ... no matter how distant ... and I think I speak for most at Wabash when I say we will root for them against the likes of a Trine.  The conference of which Trine is a part is simply terrible ... so the Trine record means nothing.  Drawing them makes DePauw a "2 and done team" ... unless, of course, they cannot figure out a way to avoid the blitz and/or find cannot find a snapper who can snap other than to Andre the Giant.  Good luck Dannies ... you only need to lose your last game next year as well ... but then comes 2012.  The "Ws" await.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 16, 2010, 10:14:25 AM
Joe White steps down as Rhodes head football coach (http://bit.ly/adiFQO)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 16, 2010, 02:58:16 PM
Early thoughts on Trine:

Spoke to a couple of my friends in the MIAA and one in the CCIW that have seen Trine this year.  This kid at QB, Eric Watt, is the real deal.  Great arm, good legs, great leader.  DePauw has been subject those players this year.  Frankly, they've kinda always been subject to those dual-threat guys.  Osterman from Centre carved the Tiger D in Week 2.  Perkins from Rhodes had some success.  Obviously Belton & Burke had their way.

Very balanced football team. 247 thru the air & 268 on the ground.  Defense is giving 10 per, but like I said earlier, how good is that defense?  Maybe they shove it DePauw's ass for 60 minutes like Wabash did, or maybe they're just not that good of a unit who has faced inferior competition.  Hard to say, I think.  They played Adrian similar to what DePauw did. 

I think DePauw's offense is better than any offense on Trine's schedule by a mile, regardless of what you make of the unspeakable disaster on Saturday.  I guess I think the same thing I thought about Monon before Saturday.  DePauw's sending their darn good offense up against another darn good offense.  Can the defense hold?  I'm a lot less confident about both of those issues than I was 4 days ago.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wabashcpa on November 16, 2010, 03:50:40 PM
Wes,

I think this game is a push.  I expect the effort will be there Saturday (I can't imagine practices being much fun this week), and it may come down to special teams.  We didn't get a chance to see your kicker Saturday - if the game is on the line, can he nail a game-winner?

Do you know if there will be a video feed for the game?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 20, 2010, 01:36:22 PM
Trine hits another big pass play.  59 yards.  Get the 2 pointer.  35-28 now.

EDIT: Alex Koors is happening. 35-35.

EDIT 2: DePauw can't get a stop.  42-35.  11 left.

EDIT 3:  Turnovers in shootouts are bad.  Engle picked.  Trine gets a FG. 45-35.  DePauw's in trouble with 3:30 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 20, 2010, 03:00:55 PM
DePauw is done.  Engle picked for a 3rd time.  4 turnovers today to go with the 2 60 yd TD passes allowed, a fumble returned for a TD & a big kick return.  DePauw can't continue to make mistakes like this against good football teams.  They've done it against Wabash the last two years.  They did it against Thomas More in the playoffs this LAST year, and they did it again today. 

Heckuva effort to rally from a big deficit.  Dunno what Robby said in the locker room, but it worked.  That said, without the mistakes, there's no deficit to come back from.  Really, really frustrating.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2010, 07:17:12 AM
A very exciting game yesterday.  The changes in momentum were incredible.  To come back from that early defict and take the lead showed great character.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on November 23, 2010, 11:47:00 PM
Congratulations to all who were honored in the SCAC all-conference voting.  The top four awards were all repeats with Alex Koors (DePauw) for Offense, Will Hawkins (Millsaps) for Defense, Michael Galatas (Millsaps) for Special Team and Coach Rob Long (DePauw) as the Coach of the Year.  For Galatis, this was his third straight year to win the special teams award.

The newcomer of the year, obviously not a repeat winner, went to kicker Jordan Gay of Centre.  The full list of honorees can be found at this link:

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/all-SCAC/2010allscacfootball.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 28, 2010, 07:39:03 PM
'04 DePauw coach Bill Lynch fired as head football coach at Indiana today. Fred Glass kicked his whole staff out, too.

I'm pretty disappointed about it, but I suppose you can't argue with the fact the Hoosiers won only 1 conference game in each of the last 3 years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 28, 2010, 10:15:51 PM
You might want to read this take on ESPN (http://espn.go.com/blog/BigTen/post/_/id/20495/indiana-makes-tough-call-but-right-one), Wes (in case you haven't already seen it). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 29, 2010, 01:33:23 PM
That's a great article, and the author shares that opinion with every other person who has ever met Bill Lynch.

I saw the point of not sending him through a lame duck season next year with no clear plan for the future, but a lot of people, I think Bill is included, thought next year was really going to be the year.  That's one of the best classes in school history coming in.

I'm CLEARLY biased, but I'm going to be really frustrated next year when this new guy comes in and wins 8 with Tandon Doss, Darius Willis, and DeMarlo Belcher.  Yes, the wins aren't there yet.  But, they were getting better.  Five years ago they couldn't hang with bad Michigan.  They were never in games against Ohio State, Iowa and Wisconsin (despite the final score, they were in that game at half).  They're getting better.  The improvement is clearly there if you watch that team play football.  They just need to learn how to win the close ones.  Hep and Bill built that program from ABSOLUTE bottom after the Cam Cameron and Gerry DiNardo disasters.

The thing I've heard several times in the last 24 hours  is "this would have never happened if Terry Hoeppner was still alive."  That makes me really, really angry.  Every IU fan wishes Hep was still alive.  Bill Lynch wishes Hep was still alive.  They were best friends.  It was an impossible spot for Bill and Fred Glass wouldn't give him the one thing he needed - time.

Sadly, we'll be right back here in 4 or 5 years when the next coach can't win at Indiana either.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2010, 02:12:51 PM
I think that the real question is, "Who are the real power brokers behind the IU AD who gave up on Bill Lynch?"

Isn't that the nature of D-1?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on November 29, 2010, 04:33:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2010, 02:12:51 PM
I think that the real question is, "Who are the real power brokers behind the IU AD who gave up on Bill Lynch?"

Isn't that the nature of D-1?


The late George Beto (PhD, Texas/Austin), onetime head of the Texas state prison system, Lutheran cleric, and former president of Concordia College in Austin, put it this way: a university has no more need of big-time athletics than a medical school needs a Department of Witchcraft.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2010, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on November 29, 2010, 04:33:05 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 29, 2010, 02:12:51 PM
I think that the real question is, "Who are the real power brokers behind the IU AD who gave up on Bill Lynch?"

Isn't that the nature of D-1?


The late George Beto (PhD, Texas/Austin), onetime head of the Texas state prison system, Lutheran cleric, and former president of Concordia College in Austin, put it this way: a university has no more need of big-time athletics than a medical school needs a Department of Witchcraft.

Lots of schools are adding Departments of Alternative, Complementary and Holistic Medicine.

QuoteThe Ohio State University Center for Integrative Medicine (OSU CIM) combines integrative family, internal and pediatric medicine with evidence-based complementary/alternative medical modalities.

I am not saying that it is witchcraft, but it is certainly a bit different from standard allopathy, at least until we understand the physiological or pharmacological bases for such a "non-allopathic" cure.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 29, 2010, 07:16:00 PM
QuoteThat's a great article, and the author shares that opinion with every other person who has ever met Bill Lynch.

I saw the point of not sending him through a lame duck season next year with no clear plan for the future, but a lot of people, I think Bill is included, thought next year was really going to be the year.  That's one of the best classes in school history coming in.

I'm CLEARLY biased, but I'm going to be really frustrated next year when this new guy comes in and wins 8 with Tandon Doss, Darius Willis, and DeMarlo Belcher.  Yes, the wins aren't there yet.  But, they were getting better.  Five years ago they couldn't hang with bad Michigan.  They were never in games against Ohio State, Iowa and Wisconsin (despite the final score, they were in that game at half).  They're getting better.  The improvement is clearly there if you watch that team play football.  They just need to learn how to win the close ones.  Hep and Bill built that program from ABSOLUTE bottom after the Cam Cameron and Gerry DiNardo disasters.

The thing I've heard several times in the last 24 hours  is "this would have never happened if Terry Hoeppner was still alive."  That makes me really, really angry.  Every IU fan wishes Hep was still alive.  Bill Lynch wishes Hep was still alive.  They were best friends.  It was an impossible spot for Bill and Fred Glass wouldn't give him the one thing he needed - time.

Sadly, we'll be right back here in 4 or 5 years when the next coach can't win at Indiana either.

That is a very good article. Well written and fair. And Wes your comments are absolutely right on. The fact is, Fred Glass, a good guy and a smart guy I believe, did not make the tough decision. He made the easy one. He's not going to take any heat for firing Bill Lynch. That's what the bloggers, sportswriters and more than a few of the red-sweatered fat cats wanted. The tougher thing to do would have been to look at the bigger picture and make a decision in the long term best interest of the program, not make another change that will keep IU football in the funk it has been in for so long. Coulda shoula woulda...I get that. But the fact is the program is better than it was three years ago; they were a dropped pass in the end zone against Iowa from being bowl eligible this year. IU's getting better players and has been redshirting players with a view toward the future and building a program...a future Bill Lynch unfortunately will not be able to participate in. Yes, Fred Glass made the easy move...the cover your ass for the moment move...and in the process he has insured that IU football will continue to chase its tail.
I know this...Fred Glass has made a point of saying the next coach is his decision and his hire. If that is the case, then Fred Glass should most certainly lose his job when the next guy fails to turn things around.  What's the definition of doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results? See IU football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 30, 2010, 01:25:00 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 29, 2010, 07:16:00 PM
I know this...Fred Glass has made a point of saying the next coach is his decision and his hire. If that is the case, then Fred Glass should most certainly lose his job when the next guy fails to turn things around.  

I can't agree with you more, but that will never happen.  IU could go 0-10 every year under this new coach, but Glass will keep his job because of how well Crean is doing in rebuilding that basketball program.  That's the only thing the average Indiana fan cares about. Crean wasn't even his hire, but Glass will get the credit as Crean brings the candy cane pants back to glory.  This will be Fred's first hire.  He better figure a way to get IU football out of the mud in a hurry, because he just canned the guy who was on his way to doing it.

I like Fred a lot.  I've met him a couple of times through work stuff.  Hell of a nice guy.  But this was mishandled so, so badly.  The timing was awful.  You're so indignant about Lynch's effort that you fire him the day after he rallies to win your rivalry game?!?  Unacceptable.

Honestly, Ralph is probably right.  My station ran a Glass soundbite after the bucket game.  He said he hadn't made any decisions about the future of IU football.  Certainly wasn't a vote of confidence for Lynch, but still.  Why say that if you're then turning around 12 hours and announcing you're having a presser to fire Lynch?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 30, 2010, 05:56:42 PM
QuoteI can't agree with you more, but that will never happen.  IU could go 0-10 every year under this new coach, but Glass will keep his job because of how well Crean is doing in rebuilding that basketball program.  That's the only thing the average Indiana fan cares about. Crean wasn't even his hire, but Glass will get the credit as Crean brings the candy cane pants back to glory.  This will be Fred's first hire.  He better figure a way to get IU football out of the mud in a hurry, because he just canned the guy who was on his way to doing it.

I like Fred a lot.  I've met him a couple of times through work stuff.  Hell of a nice guy.  But this was mishandled so, so badly.  The timing was awful.  You're so indignant about Lynch's effort that you fire him the day after he rallies to win your rivalry game?!?  Unacceptable.

Honestly, Ralph is probably right.  My station ran a Glass soundbite after the bucket game.  He said he hadn't made any decisions about the future of IU football.  Certainly wasn't a vote of confidence for Lynch, but still.  Why say that if you're then turning around 12 hours and announcing you're having a presser to fire Lynch?

Well that is probably true. And he probably did succumb to pressure from "outside sources" (read: influential donors). Humurous and at the same time sad to see the IU group falling all over themselves speculating on the next coach to "turn things around"...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: MCSID on December 02, 2010, 01:28:01 PM
D3 fans can watch the D3 Senior Classic Live or Archived at: http://www.knoxivi.com/d3classic (http://www.knoxivi.com/d3classic)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 02, 2010, 05:31:08 PM
Quote from: MCSID on December 02, 2010, 01:28:01 PM
D3 fans can watch the D3 Senior Classic Live or Archived at: http://www.knoxivi.com/d3classic (http://www.knoxivi.com/d3classic)

Do you have any idea why there are two players from Union (Ky.) on the roster?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on December 09, 2010, 01:12:55 PM
Any word on the job search at Rhodes?  It has been about a month and I was wondering if they were thinking about making a move before Christmas?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on December 22, 2010, 07:57:20 PM

My grandson is here!!! Jackson Bret Page was born at 12:28pm today. Obviously he will be a lineman.  He weighed 10 lbs 7 ozs and was 21 3/4" long. Mother and baby are doing great and the father is beaming!  Granddad is pretty happy as well. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on December 22, 2010, 10:44:41 PM
Congratulations to all!!!  A fantastic Christmas present a few days early.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on December 23, 2010, 12:00:00 AM
That is a true blessing at Christmastime!!  Peace and Joy to your entire family with the new addition!


ALSO:   Merry Christmas to all of the 'board,' may the Grace of Christ be yours!!


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 23, 2010, 02:09:23 PM
Congrats, Mr. Page.   :D

May everyone here share the true blessings of the season this Christmas. 
Title: Rhodes announces new head football coach
Post by: kudzukang on December 23, 2010, 04:34:44 PM
Dan Gritti named Rhodes new head football coach
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12/23/2010 10:12:12 AM

Dan Gritti, Rhodes new head football coachRhodes College announced today the selection of Dan Gritti as their new head football coach.  Coach Gritti comes to Rhodes from the University of Chicago, where he served the past two seasons as the defensive line/linebackers coach and special teams coordinator.  Chicago finished the 2010 season with an 8-2 record and won the University Athletic Association football title.



"The moment I stepped on campus I knew what a special place Rhodes is,"  said Coach Gritti.  "I am excited about building a championship football team at a school with such high academic standards.  I look forward to meeting the football players and letting them know how excited I am to lead this program."



With the assistance of Coach Gritti, Chicago ranked in the top 10 in the country in several defensive and special teams categories.  The Chicago defense ranked 3rd in the country in sacks and tackles for loss.  They tied the NCAA Division III record for most punts blocked for touchdowns in a season.



Prior to being on the staff at Chicago, Coach Gritti served as the defensive line coach and special teams coordinator at Middlebury College in Vermont from 2005-08.  Middlebury's 2007 team won the NESCAC league championship and their defense ranked #3 in the country in total defense.



While a student at Vanderbilt, Dan served as a student assistant with the Commodore football program.  He graduated from Vanderbilt in 1995, then earned his law degree from the University of Wisconsin in 1998.  After graduating from Wisconsin, Dan practiced for six years at the prestigious Littler Mendelson firm in New York City. 



In 2003 Coach Gritti decided to forego his career as a lawyer and pursue his dream of being a college football coach.  Coach Gritti  reconnected with Gerry DiNardo at the University of Indiana, who was the head football coach at Vanderbilt when Dan served as a student assistant.   Coach Gritti served for two years as a graduate assistant at Indiana.   



"Dan Gritti brings unique qualities to Rhodes College and the Lynx football program.  Beyond being an excellent football coach, Dan has lived and breathed the joys and rigors of being a Dean's List undergraduate and law student," said Mike Clary, Rhodes Director of Athletics.  "We're also very excited about his interest and abilities to engage our alumni, parents, faculty and staff to provide the best academic and co-curricular opportunity for our football team."





Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 23, 2010, 05:42:05 PM
A cleaned-up version is one of many stories in our Coaching Carousel section:
http://www.d3football.com/notables/coaching-carousel
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 29, 2010, 09:22:12 AM
Matt Walker will be next head football coach at UW-River Falls.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 29, 2010, 02:37:15 PM
UWRF release:  http://www.uwrfsports.com/news/2010/12/29/FB_1229105451.aspx?path=football

Didn't know he was at Butler this season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 29, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
This is a somewhat surprising hire when you see that the competition included (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2010/12/mount-uww-assistants-finalists-at-uwrf): 


Good luck to Coach Walker, it's certainly going to be a different challenge for him. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on December 29, 2010, 08:22:35 PM
I know Matt was a finalist for the Rose-Hulman job as well and was offered at least one other job. No doubt disappointing news for those who were certain of nefarious dealings surrounding his departure from DePauw. Of course, the speculation was fueld by the secrecy surrounding it all...but happy to see Matt moving on to a great, but challenging, opporunity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BoBo on December 30, 2010, 10:06:51 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 29, 2010, 06:37:30 PM
This is a somewhat surprising hire when you see that the competition included (http://www.d3football.com/notables/2010/12/mount-uww-assistants-finalists-at-uwrf):  


  • Vincent Kehres (yes, Larry K's son), DC at Mount Union
  • Kevin Bullis, UW-W special team/ass't DC, former UW-RF assistant & DC
  • Aaron Vicko, UW-SP OC
  • Joel Dettwiler, Wartburg DC

Good luck to Coach Walker, it's certainly going to be a different challenge for him.  

It was reported a few days ago on the WIAC message board that Kevin Bullis was offered the position, but turned it down. Footballscoop.com published it. The information was apparently solid & confirmed from a well connected UW-RF poster with access to such information. It was further stated that a lack of committment towards the football program by the UW-RF administration was a leading reason cited for Bullis turning down the job. Sounds like he's stepped into a challenging situation to say the least.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on January 02, 2011, 04:32:00 PM
Sorry I missed the big Walker news.  I think that's a different kind of challenge unlike anything he's had to handle before.  Yeah, he had a lot of responsbility coaching both football & baseball at DePauw, but both of those programs were pretty darn good when he took charge of them.  This is a bad football team.  13 wins in the last four years.  He's a good recruiter, but building isn't something he's done a lot of.

All that said, as his friend, I'm thrilled for him.  I'm glad he's gotten back into coaching.  He's very excited about this opportunity.  If he can turn this thing around, there's going to be great opportunities ahead for him.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 07, 2011, 08:12:18 AM
I have no idea what exactly this would mean, but in an article discussing San Antonio Sports & Entertainment's plans to bring (minor league) soccer in to San Antonio at Alamo Stadium, Trinity expresses a desire to become involved.   Quote:

Any interested party can propose stadium partnership ideas during the next two weeks.

SAISD School Board President James Howard said Trinity has shown some interest.

"I think they would be interested in some football action over there, and possibly even soccer," Howard said. "I think Trinity would be a good partner."

Trinity President Dennis Ahlburg said the school plans to make an overture but isn't certain yet whether a stadium partnership would be a good fit.

"If it works to our advantage and theirs, then we definitely want to explore that," he said.


It seems an odd partnership given the historical distrust between the SAISD and Trinity, but  we'll see.  

More: http://www.mysanantonio.com/default/article/Alamo-Stadium-now-open-for-offers-942707.php
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: theoldesttiger on January 08, 2011, 09:52:46 PM
According to footballscoop.com, former DePauw/current Sewanee offensive line coach Jake Wissing will be moving on to UWRF with Matt Walker....

"University of Wisconsin-River Falls: We have just confirmed that Sewanee offensive line coach Jake Wissing has accepted the offensive coordinator job at Wisconsin-River Falls."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 16, 2011, 07:06:44 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Team of the 2000s: Portraits of greatness.)

2000-2009
Urban  WR  Trinity(TX)  4th Team
Hampton  QB  Trinity(TX)  Not (even) Listed
IMmostHO, I just don't think these can be correct.
Comments, please?


                                  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on January 16, 2011, 07:43:26 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Alamo Stadium possible partnership SAISD (owner) and Trinity University.)


Ron
I have no idea how this partnership proposal will turn out (or even if it is real), but I would appreciate hearing the info on the "historical distrust between SAISD and Trinity"? I do know that Trinity has had an agreement for over fifty (50) years with SAISD, that allows Trinity students to park in Alamo Stadium Parking Lots when these lots are not needed for school district functions. These parking lots are available to Trinity students most of the week; I myself used the Alamo Stadium Lots regularly from 1963-1967. Also, the Tigers used the Alamo Stadium football field for all home games prior to the time the current Trinity Football Stadium (previously E. M. Stevens) was built.


                                                                          :)



   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 27, 2011, 11:35:48 AM
TRINITY'S MIRACLE PLAY NAMED TOP SCAC FOOTBALL MOMENT

SUWANEE, Ga. - In what many have called the most incredible ending to any football game at any level, Trinity University used 15 laterals as seven different players touched the ball to go 60 yards and score on the final play of the October 27, 2007 game against Millsaps College - capping an improbable and shocking 28-24 victory. The play - dubbed the Mississippi Miracle - has been named the Top Moment in the history of SCAC football.

http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/anniversary20/fball_top_moment (http://www.scacsports.com/inside_athletics/anniversary20/fball_top_moment)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2011, 10:42:35 PM
I will assume that the selection of the 15 laterals play was unanimous! 

In reality, the play should have never happened because Millsaps could have, and should have, easily run out the clock after recovering the onside kick with only 1:37 left in the game. BUT, they left Trinity with 2 seconds on the clock and the rest is history.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 27, 2011, 11:35:43 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 27, 2011, 10:42:35 PM
I will assume that the selection of the 15 laterals play was unanimous! 

In reality, the play should have never happened because Millsaps could have, and should have, easily run out the clock after recovering the onside kick with only 1:37 left in the game. BUT, they left Trinity with 2 seconds on the clock and the rest is history.
Still sticks in your craw, doesn't it!   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2011, 07:36:08 AM
Actually it doesn't and never did very much.  If it had I wouldn't have given all of my photos to Trinity with the stipulation that they provide copies to all the players.  Don't know if they honored that request, but that was my condition for providing the photos.

It's an element of the play that was never brought up at the time.  There was one story where the Trinity coach was quoted as saying that he was surprised to get the ball back after failing to cover the onside kick.  I think most coaches would have easily run out 1:37 on four plays to end the game and win a berth to the NCAA Championship, but Coach DuBose sometimes had clock management problems at the end of games.

For example, after the third down play in this last Millsaps series, Millsaps let the clock run down but call timeout in order to avoid a 5 yard penalty.  Having that extra second or two run off the clock was far more important than saving a penalty--keeping in mind that when the ball was turned over Trinity had 2 seconds instead of the game being over.  Also, all they had to do on the last play was send one man long, have Joseph throw deep and out of bounds, and the clock would have run out with the ball in the air.  Instead, Millsaps tried to run for the first down on 4th and 3 and were quickly stopped.

By the way, I suspect our DePauw readers were surprised a couple of years ago when Millsaps failed on the 2-point conversion and then decided to kick deep with 2 minutes to go in the game.  DePauw easily ran out the clock and won the SCAC crown.  Coach DuBose was great in many, many ways, but clock management at the end of the game was a weakness.

And before anyone says this is sour grapes, just ask yourself this question:  If you got the ball with 1:37 to go in the game, do you think you or your team could have figured out a way to run out the clock?  I believe the overwhelming number of you would have found a way to run 1:37 off the clock in 4 plays instead of 1:35.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 28, 2011, 08:37:21 AM
Joseph wasn't the QB on your last series - it was the other guy (Burt Pereria?).

Even so, all that had to be done on fourth down was just run backwards for about 10-20 yards and time would have run out.  Instead, he did this slow fade, which gave the TU defender just enough time to sack him with that 0:02 remaining.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TxFight on January 30, 2011, 11:47:45 PM
was perusing Austin College's blog and noticed they've released a tentative schedule.  Two ASC road trips (Texas Lutheran and East Texas Baptist) with a home date with SAGU of the NAIA before hitting conference play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 05:38:03 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on January 28, 2011, 07:36:08 AM

It's an element of the play that was never brought up at the time. 

For what it's worth, this isn't true. I remember this being discussed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 01, 2011, 05:40:25 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on October 27, 2007, 09:49:47 PM

There is one thing at the end of the game that did surprise me and it's easy to say I would do it different in hindsight.  Millsaps got the ball on the Trinity onside kick, there was about 2:07 on the clock, and Trinity was out of timeouts.  Millsaps put Burt Pereira in at quarterback and I thought they were going to go to an all out pass protection and just let Burt stay in the pocket and scramble to run time off the clock.  Instead they ran 4 fairly conventional running plays which allowed Trinity to get the ball back with 2 seconds on the clock.  I have to say that I had a really bad feeling when Trinity got their hands on the ball one last time, and give them credit for taking advantage of the opportunity.

In fact, you discussed it. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on February 01, 2011, 06:46:26 PM
It doesn't surprise me that it was mentioned or that it was mentioned by me, but for those interested in reading though all the posts during the weeks following the game, I think they will find that it was a very minor part of the discussion for a very obvious reason.

For Millsaps fans, it would be hard to point out this failure to run out the clock without coming across as saying the coaching staff cost the team a trip to the NCAA Playoffs and an outright SCAC Championship.  I'm sure it took me quite a while to come up with the wording of my comment.  Notice that I didn't mention anything about the coaches calling timeout which saved a 5 yard penalty and kept at least one extra second on the clock--I'm sure that was kept out of my post intentionally. 

Also, this was the season when Millsaps lost the opening game by pulling all the starters in the 4th quarter of the MC game and never putting them back in.  Any comments of "we should have won by running out the clock" were going to sound weak after earlier in the season saying "we would have won if DuBose had kept the starters in the game".

From the Trinity side of the discussion, they sure weren't going to say that they were lucky to even get the ball back when Millsaps could have run out the clock.  That would be both a criticism of the Millsaps coaches, and it would take something away from the remarkable ending.  There was one story posted immediately after the game where Coach Mohr said he was surprised to get the ball back after failing to recover the kickoff.  After that one story, I never saw where he mentioned it again.  Nor should he have mentioned it again. 

All that being said, it wouldn't surprise me if the Millsaps players gained more in the way of a valuable life experience by losing that game instead of winning it.  I guess we may never know if that's true or not.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on February 04, 2011, 09:47:50 PM
Congratulations to Trey Haverty of Millsaps for getting the safeties job at TCU.  With a well networked staff like Millsaps, it will be hard to keep coaches.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 09, 2011, 10:02:53 AM
Here's an article in the Trinity student paper regarding the university's interest in Alamo Stadium (http://www.trinitonian.com/2011/01/28/saisd-considers-bringing-pro-soccer-team-to-san-antonio/).  Some excerpts of interest:

"instead [of] pursuing a full-fledged partnership with the school district like SSE, Trinity's interests lie more in leasing or renting the stadium for home football games, according to Dennis Ahlburg, president of the university."

All they need to do is rattle around in a stadium that seats 20K+ ... but Ahlburg does say "[t]he stadium is way too big for college games. We have talked with the school district, and [AD] Bob King had seen some ways to make the stadium smaller for small crowds and larger for large crowds so they were interested in that."

Further:

Trinity's own football field will need renovating at some point, according to King.  King feels that if the stadium's renovations are a good fit, Trinity should move the football games over to Alamo Stadium and keep the university's football field as a practice field. In this way, renovations to Trinity's football field would not be immediately necessary.

"Unfortunately, it's dominated by economics. If we had a major donor come forward to renovate the football field and put their name on it, which is available," Ahlburg said. "But in this kind of environment, with so much economic uncertainty, we don't have $15 million, and if we did, there would be a lot of people suggesting things to spend it on."


So, basically, no EM Stevens stadium upgrades in the forseeable future, it would appear.   :(  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on February 09, 2011, 10:32:26 AM
Years ago Trinity did play at Alamo Stadium, to small crowds.  I wonder what SAISD is going to do with the renovation of the stadium.  The Spurs spokesman talked like they are really going to change the seating.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on February 11, 2011, 09:37:59 AM
Any Details?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: theoldesttiger on February 11, 2011, 10:07:05 AM
http://sewaneetigers.com/news/2011/2/11/FB_0211110500.aspx

Robert Black steps down as Head Coach at Sewanee.....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: onthemountain on February 11, 2011, 10:33:50 AM
Coach Black is an outstanding individual and very happy that he will be staying with Sewanee in another capacity.  I am proud that my son had the opportunity to play for Coach and appreciate the many things Coach Black taught him both about football and life.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on February 11, 2011, 05:24:23 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on February 09, 2011, 10:32:26 AM
Years ago Trinity did play at Alamo Stadium, to small crowds.

Even in 1954 when they were undefeated, untied ... and uninvited  (the hoped-for Sun Bowl phone call never came).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tacttm1 on February 13, 2011, 11:16:27 AM
Congratulations to Trey Haverty of Millsaps for getting the safeties job at TCU.  With a well networked staff like Millsaps, it will be hard to keep coaches


Gee, we only had him for a year before he headed back.  Too bad most schools can't pay folks enough to get a few more seasons out of them, but that is the way of the world.

Best wishes to him for continued success.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 13, 2011, 07:45:01 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: SAISD renovation of Alamo Stadium in San Antonio.)


Bill,
The recent SAISD bond issue vote that was passed contained a provision for $35 million to renovate Alamo Stadium (boy does it need it!). They are talking about pressbox, restrooms, seating and playing field. Spurs Sports & Entertainment which has been awarded a United Soccer Pro-League (3rd Division) team in San Antonio for 2012 wants to lease playing time/space in the upgraded stadium. SS&E has stated that they will contribute some money to the Alamo Stadium revisions, but that they will require a say in the management and a certain number of "chair-back seats" for soccer (maybe 5000?? as USL 3rd Division crowds are rarely larger). The Spurs ownership hopes that this soccer enterprise will lead to a Major League Soccer franchise in maybe 10 years? Both the new professional soccer team and the chair-back seating at Alamo Stadium could be a big plus for Trinity athletics if they can also negotiate a lease with SAISD.


                                                                                :) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on February 24, 2011, 02:33:28 PM
Sad day at Austin College

http://www.austincollege.edu/31806/college-mourns-death-chase-gaddy/ (http://www.austincollege.edu/31806/college-mourns-death-chase-gaddy/)

Please add the family and the Austin College community to your prayers
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on February 26, 2011, 05:56:11 PM
Anyone popping up in the rumor mill being considered as Sewanee HFC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 27, 2011, 10:52:48 PM
I hear Sewanee went after Phil Fulmer and Bobby Johnson.  Neither of them are interested but they received applications from Johnny Majors and Woody Widdenhoffer.  I'm not sure if that's true but that's what I heard.       
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on March 01, 2011, 08:11:55 AM
Coach Fulmer would like it on the Mountain, plenty of hunting and fishing!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2011, 05:10:34 PM
For those wondering what DPU's schedule will look like in their year between conferences, see http://www.depauw.edu/ath/football/2011/schedule.asp .   With only 9 games, it's marked tentative.

Summary?  Only three home games with Centre being the only former SCAC foe willing to travel to Greencastle.  Three road games against SCAC teams, two against HCAC (with Wabash coming to Greencastle), and the rest were no doubt what they could pick up on relatively short notice.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 03, 2011, 09:34:47 PM
Its actually worse for the home schedule since depauw is suppose to play at Birmingham southern on oct 8th but maybe its being canceled or move to depauw to balance things out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 03, 2011, 10:43:14 PM
Quote from: cush on March 03, 2011, 09:34:47 PM
Its actually worse for the home schedule since depauw is suppose to play at Birmingham southern on oct 8th but maybe its being canceled or move to depauw to balance things out.

You're right, the BSC 2011 schedule (http://www.bscsports.net/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=92&) does show DPU coming to town.   It also shows that game as being a SCAC tilt which would be incorrect. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on March 04, 2011, 11:16:24 AM
It might cost depauw some $ but they should move the bsc game to Greencastle. The problem would be BSC would than only have four games at home too. I'm not sure about the 2012 schedule but maybe depauw could play a game at bsc in 2012 to even things out. Or BSC could flip its series with Ave Maria University to get them to play at home in 2011, i'm assuming they have 2 year deal. Than again maybe depauw will just hit the road in 2011 and play 7 road games, not the end of the world.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 17, 2011, 11:51:16 PM
For any of you who might have/know a middle- or high-school WR (in Texas), ex-D3 (Trinity) and NFL (Seattle/Arizona/KC) wide receiver Jerheme Urban is offering a receiver camp in New Braunfels next weekend.  This was on his facebook page earlier tonight:

Wide Receiver camp in New Braunfels on Saturday, March 26. Jr High in the AM, high school athletes in the PM. Only 6 spots remaining for each time slot, and only 10 total athletes in each group. As close to private lessons as it gets. If you have an athlete interested, and would like more info on location, time frame, and pricing feel free to email jerhemeurbanfootballcamp@yahoo.com

Send a note to the email address for more info.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on March 24, 2011, 11:18:48 AM
Has Sewanee hired a new coach?  It is getting late in the year to wait too long.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: theoldesttiger on April 07, 2011, 10:28:18 PM
Citadel offensive coordinator Tommy Laurendine named head coach at Sewanee: http://sewaneetigers.com/news/2011/4/7/FB_0407111623.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on April 14, 2011, 07:03:22 PM
Where in the name of good gracious is the SCAC football schedule?  I can't find it anywhere. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 04, 2011, 02:41:47 PM
D3sports story on Georgetown (Ky) exploring D3:

http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/05/georgetown-exploring-d3

They're also applying for a Phi Beta Kappa chapter, which combined with location might make them a SCAC candidate down the road.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on May 04, 2011, 04:25:01 PM
Sewanee has a long road trip to Tacoma, WA to play University of Puget Sound

http://sewaneetigers.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=72&
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 04, 2011, 05:03:21 PM
Trinity's schedule is also up.  http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2011-12/schedule

Non-conference matchups are @Howard Payne, home to Texas Lutheran (week 1-2), then Huntingdon (home) and LaGrange (away) in mid-Oct.   Three of the first four games are away, with trips to Rhodes and Millsaps also on the agenda. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on May 09, 2011, 12:06:43 AM
TU has another rough start to the season.  Boys, I'm sad to say that my son is too beat up to keep going.  His senior year is not going to happen. Facing another surgery or two.  Gotta say, I've had a lot of fun conversing with you guys over the last three years.  I'll try to pop in from time to time to say hi. 

In all sincerity, the boys has landed a great internship this summer and will have a very successful life after a FANTASTIC Trinity education.  He's busted his ass on the field, he's played hurt for the last two years.  Played his senior High School year with a freaking broken fractured ankle.  So, like I told him, his toughness has never been questioned.  TU Coaches have been 100% supportive of his decision and I cannot compliment them more.

Future Trinity recruit parents?  Great program, great university, great coaches.  Best place I can think of to play D3 ball (in my very humble opinion)

Good luck Tigers.  (funny to say that in the SCAC)

Good Luck Trinity Tigers...  now that's more like it.  Kick ass and make it to the Final Championship.  I'll be tailgating and cheering loudly. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2011, 06:32:08 PM
From The DePauw:  Centre, Sewanee, Rhodes, Hendrix considering leaving the SCAC after 2012:  http://bit.ly/iDFiVn
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 15, 2011, 07:15:43 PM
FTA...

QuoteWhile the reasons behind the four schools' considerations may not become clear until after the June 7 presidents' meeting, geographic distance and the cost of travel could be factors in the discussions.

"I know that as the conference talks about expanding, we have concerns about a sprawling conference," Saxton said. "So a lot of travel and time out of class, cost of travel, a lot of concerns comes from that."

Danny Powell, executive director of athletics at Hendrix, conveyed similar sentiments.

"As an athletic director, you are just looking for a schedule to play and if it's cost effective and a good experience for your students," Powell said. "People are just looking at what's best long-term for their school, and I think that's what we're doing."

Factors such as the cost of transportation also played into DePauw's decision to leave the SCAC for the NCAC.

"There isn't a school in the country that isn't looking at how they can cut the travel cost in the interest of sustainability and also just from a financial standpoint," said Page Cotton, director of athletics.

A main reason why the four schools might leave, according to Powell, is the SCAC's discussions about splitting the conference into divisions.

"We have different relations with those schools in the west, in Texas, and the East," Powell said. "We want to keep playing those folks, if you think about a league, you think about if the schools who have similar philosophies and similar size. I've been here nine-and-a-half years, and I have enjoyed dealing with a lot of the folks in the league."

Creating divisions would eliminate match ups in the regular season and, according to Cotton, some schools favor divisional competition while others want to play everyone in the conference.

No matter the reasons, if the four schools do decide to leave the conference, it will put a halt on the splitting of the conference into two divisions. If the decision is made final, the conference will have lost five teams in two years. After gaining the Dallas, the conference will be left with eight teams.

Brian Chafin, director of athletics and recreation at Centre, said other current member institutions of the conference are evaluating their role and membership.

"There has been discussion throughout the entire conference of looking at other options for all schools for the year of 2012-2013," he said.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 15, 2011, 09:41:33 PM
Earthquake time...that really makes no sense to me. Where would those 4 go? Now i could understand an east/ west split but why wouldn't those 4 include milsaps, birmingham-southern, and oglethorpe to get a base of 7 in which to form a new league? Who the heck are they teaming up with? Geography would seem to have  hendrix sticking with the 4 texas school's rather than whatever they a planning. Now I do think the scac is not really workable in its present form given its travel but i have no idea what those 4 school's have in mind. I think the scac should expand by 2 with berry and centenary  ASAP. From that setup, each division could possibly split off at some point with hendrix going in either direction and forming two leagues. Very confusing at this point for the scac.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2011, 11:09:14 PM
Pat had an interesting theory on his FB wall:

Take these four
Add Huntingdon
Add Maryville
Add Berry

Bang, you have a new conference with a lot fewer travel headaches.  And if you throw in provisional Georgetown (Ky) you might even be able to get Pool A bids in many sports down the road ... 

What I remember (vaguely,  it's been years since I looked) was that Huntingdon and MV's academics weren't quite up to SCAC standards.   If this is still the case, does travel hassle trump potential academic/athletic issues?

What blows my mind is "well, travel is a huge concern" followed by "but we don't want to do divisional play."  That's a giant WTF.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: peaster68 on May 16, 2011, 02:10:18 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2011, 11:09:14 PM
Pat had an interesting theory on his FB wall:

Take these four
Add Huntingdon
Add Maryville
Add Berry

Bang, you have a new conference with a lot fewer travel headaches.  And if you throw in provisional Georgetown (Ky) you might even be able to get Pool A bids in many sports down the road ... 

What I remember (vaguely,  it's been years since I looked) was that Huntingdon and MV's academics weren't quite up to SCAC standards.   If this is still the case, does travel hassle trump potential academic/athletic issues?

What blows my mind is "well, travel is a huge concern" followed by "but we don't want to do divisional play."  That's a giant WTF.

Could Mississippi College possibly be added to that list? It would make perfect geographical sense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 16, 2011, 08:08:12 AM
It all depends on what the new conference's foci are.  From a geographic perspective, you are correct, but you'll note Millsaps isn't on the list, nor is Birmingham-Southern, two schools that would also benefit from a more centrally-located conference if that indeed is the primary concern. 

If this does come to pass the SCAC will be in a world of hurt to find enough football-playing schools to keep their auto bid  ... or just may be in a world of hurt, period.    This is what would be left:

CC

AC *
UDallas
SW
TU  *

Millsaps *

BSC *
OU

* play football

Now, depending on the sport, you could end up with two schools (CC and MC) without travel partners. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 16, 2011, 09:46:36 AM
Yes, the concept of not liking divisions but complaining about the travel is strange. Maybe these 4 school's prefer a 8-10 team league which is more geographic friendly, no texas travel. Yet, the lack of football programs could be a problem, maybe they cut a deal with the uaa someday. I also think this might be more of a bluff given it makes no sense not to include milsaps, BSC, and oglethorpe if  these 4 do break away. Those 3 leftovers might not want to currently leave the scac but if the 4 others did, those 3 leftovers really have no choice but to follow. I guess they have to be invited to form the new league, why wouldn't they be?, which cost money, but if goes down, they have to follow. Thus, you would have nice base of 7 breakaway school's to add 2-3 form berry, maryville and huntingdon and you have a 9-10 team new league. As for the scac leftovers at that point, the 4 texas school's + colorado college could look at neb W, centenary or other texas school's to get up to 10 or so. It makes more sense to me, for the scac to just expand up to 16 and have more of an alliance among divisions, than maybe each division could break away someday or not.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2011, 10:53:39 AM
Thanks for your comments, cush.

I really think that the NCAA should look a permitting at more arrangments like the Middle Atlantic Corporation, the MAC with its 3 conferences.  They have the Freedom and the Commonwealth which are stand alone coferences, and MAC for several sports like TF, CC, Swimming, and sports that don't get up to 7 teams in each. That would really help the SCAC and the ASC, where geography is a real problem.  The impact might be on Pool C bids, but access would be evenly distributed.  If you are the best team among your 7 peer institutions, then you get to the playoffs.

It might mean less missed class time and saner travel budgets.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etbu27 on May 16, 2011, 03:53:41 PM
I think its safe to say that the ASC is a pretty tight bond. As a participant my ONLY problem with the conference is the Sul Ross games. Its an 11-12 hour bus ride every other year for a game that isnt even close (in my memory, and that goes for all sports). That being said they are a founding member and they dont really have anywhere else to go? Most teams west of the mississippi and south of Iowa are going to have problems currently with conference affiliations. I can only count 22 schools in that area and that IS counting the 9 in California. If TU, Rhodes, Millsaps and Austin are going to stay away from the ASC (8 schools west of mississippi) they who are they going to play with?? I mean they are on a different level academically but there is not many options.

Strictly football speaking of course....
Id like to see Austin and Trinity come play in the ASC. Millsaps could be fun as well.

Maybe the other 4 join USA South?

But ya I agree with the crowds here its going to be tough to complain about Academic equality and travel in the same conversation.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on May 16, 2011, 03:55:42 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2011, 11:09:14 PM
Pat had an interesting theory on his FB wall:

Take these four
Add Huntingdon
Add Maryville
Add Berry

Bang, you have a new conference with a lot fewer travel headaches.  And if you throw in provisional Georgetown (Ky) you might even be able to get Pool A bids in many sports down the road ... 

What I remember (vaguely,  it's been years since I looked) was that Huntingdon and MV's academics weren't quite up to SCAC standards.   If this is still the case, does travel hassle trump potential academic/athletic issues?

What blows my mind is "well, travel is a huge concern" followed by "but we don't want to do divisional play."  That's a giant WTF.
There's also Covenant who could be added to that list.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2011, 05:46:11 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on May 16, 2011, 05:35:26 PM
Quote from: etbu27 on May 16, 2011, 03:53:41 PM
Strictly football speaking of course....
I'd like to see Austin and Trinity come play in the ASC.
Until  few years ago, Austin College was a member of the ASC. As to Trinity, I can't see them wanting to be part of the ASC, perhaps mostly for "academic" reasons.
Trinity left the "ASC" back in the old TIAA days about 1980.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 17, 2011, 04:28:52 PM
Why, heck, WT, in 1978 Trinity tied then-#2 Tarleton State 6-6 for Homecoming.    So there.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on May 24, 2011, 12:05:11 PM
Quote from: cush on May 15, 2011, 09:41:33 PM
Earthquake time...that really makes no sense to me. Where would those 4 go? Now i could understand an east/ west split but why wouldn't those 4 include milsaps, birmingham-southern, and oglethorpe to get a base of 7 in which to form a new league? Who the heck are they teaming up with? Geography would seem to have  hendrix sticking with the 4 texas school's rather than whatever they a planning. Now I do think the scac is not really workable in its present form given its travel but i have no idea what those 4 school's have in mind. I think the scac should expand by 2 with berry and centenary  ASAP. From that setup, each division could possibly split off at some point with hendrix going in either direction and forming two leagues. Very confusing at this point for the scac.

Here's a random thought, just for fun, of where these four might go. Could the SLIAC be looking at expanding and making another try at football? These four plus Georgetown would give them 8 for football and 14 overall that could be split into divisions in other sports. As it would be a couple of years before going into effect, it would give the UMAC several years from now to find a seventh to keep their AQ.
I don't know what made this silliness pop into my head and I don't think it will happen, but just wanted to put it out here just in case so I could take credit for calling it. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 25, 2011, 11:49:59 AM
My take would be those 4,  rhodes, hendrix, sewanee, centre, goal is to start a completely new league if they do leave the scac. Add Milsaps, Birmingham southern, Oglethorpe, and berry brings you to 8 quickly, no need for those 3 scac school's to stay if the first wave of departures happen.  The last two spots, 10 seems like the best number for a conference, would go to school's in that footprint. Georgetown probably would be a lock for spot 9 if they move to d3. Who knows who gets the last spot but having a football program would help. The easier route would be just to expand the scac to 16 teams. If this does go down this way, the 4 texas school's and Colorado college should still be able to land a couple of school's to make a conference worthwhile from that grouping.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 25, 2011, 11:19:13 PM
Quote from: cush on May 25, 2011, 11:49:59 AM
My take would be those 4,  rhodes, hendrix, sewanee, centre, goal is to start a completely new league if they do leave the scac. Add Milsaps, Birmingham southern, Oglethorpe, and berry brings you to 8 quickly, no need for those 3 scac school's to stay if the first wave of departures happen.  The last two spots, 10 seems like the best number for a conference, would go to school's in that footprint. Georgetown probably would be a lock for spot 9 if they move to d3. Who knows who gets the last spot but having a football program would help. The easier route would be just to expand the scac to 16 teams. If this does go down this way, the 4 texas school's and Colorado college should still be able to land a couple of school's to make a conference worthwhile from that grouping.
cush, who do you think would make good candidates for a new "Texas SCAC"?

Centenary is 4 years away from full membership.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 26, 2011, 10:00:17 AM
That is a good ?, its a lot easier to look at the eastern SCAC breakaway's, in which case a new league of:

Centre, Rhodes, Sewanee, Hendrix, Milsaps, Birmingham Southern, Oglethorpe, and Berry is viable off the bat.  Spots 9- 10 could go to maybe another kentucky school? Georgetown or KWC if either make a move or you got  transylvania + thomas moore  who could possibly switch leagues, they probably aren't interested. Yet, with huntingdon college being an orphan with football now, you could add them and only one new kentucky school to get to 10 with nice travel partners.   As for the western scac,  the base of dallas, trinity, SW, Austin and CC is a nice start. Centenary sure would seem like a good fit notwithstanding the delay in full membership to get to 6. From there, it gets more difficult to find the next 3-4 school's, maybe neb W but they are an island like cc. I guess they could look at some naia school's in that area or focus on any ASC willing to move.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2011, 11:47:03 AM
Quote from: cush on May 26, 2011, 10:00:17 AM
That is a good ?, its a lot easier to look at the eastern SCAC breakaway's, in which case a new league of:

Centre, Rhodes, Sewanee, Hendrix, Milsaps, Birmingham Southern, Oglethorpe, and Berry is viable off the bat.  Spots 9- 10 could go to maybe another kentucky school? Georgetown or KWC if either make a move or you got  transylvania + thomas moore  who could possibly switch leagues, they probably aren't interested. Yet, with huntingdon college being an orphan with football now, you could add them and only one new kentucky school to get to 10 with nice travel partners.   As for the western scac,  the base of dallas, trinity, SW, Austin and CC is a nice start. Centenary sure would seem like a good fit notwithstanding the delay in full membership to get to 6. From there, it gets more difficult to find the next 3-4 school's, maybe neb W but they are an island like cc. I guess they could look at some naia school's in that area or focus on any ASC willing to move.
Huntingdon's profile as a college is not that different from Oglethorpe's, e.g. academic profile and  endowment (as of 2009 when I looked last).  Therefore, another private school only 120 miles from Birmingham that offers football and lacrosse might be sufficiently valuable as a member to be invited.



OU 1030 students (60% F, 40% M) $38K/yr; very difficult; endowment $22M  USNews #166 National lib arts.
HC 1075 students (52% F, 48% M ) $29K/yr;  Moderately Difficult; endowment $16.4M  USNews Not published national lib arts
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 26, 2011, 01:30:24 PM
I would be curious to see which, if any,  ASC schools might be invited to join that "SCAC-West".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etbu27 on May 26, 2011, 02:41:31 PM
As would I. We are all quite similar here in the ASC. If I had to guess Id say Mississippi and UMHB? Hardin-Simmons had a pretty awesome PT program too. Idk. Its tough to grab from a conference that has very similar academics and close proximity (minus SRSU).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 26, 2011, 07:36:21 PM
My guess (and it's only that) would be TLU and Concordia.  Had it not decided to go D2, McM. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 27, 2011, 04:31:40 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 26, 2011, 07:36:21 PM
My guess (and it's only that) would be TLU and Concordia.  Had it not decided to go D2, McM. 

Ron:

I ask this out of ignorance. Do TLU and Concordia fit the academic profile of the SCAC?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 27, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
I didn't look 'em up.   :D  Just a gut feeling that they are the most compatible. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 27, 2011, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 27, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
I didn't look 'em up.   :D  Just a gut feeling that they are the most compatible. 
When you are getting ready to be abandoned by the eastern half of your conference, which can stand on its own, you lose your selectivity.

I think that those 2 are the most compatible in this part of the country.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on May 28, 2011, 07:33:44 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 27, 2011, 07:49:12 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 27, 2011, 06:17:39 PM
I didn't look 'em up.   :D  Just a gut feeling that they are the most compatible.  
When you are getting ready to be abandoned by the eastern half of your conference, which can stand on its own, you lose your selectivity.

Yep, that would do it.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etbu27 on May 29, 2011, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 27, 2011, 07:49:12 PM
When you are getting ready to be abandoned by the eastern half of your conference, which can stand on its own, you lose your selectivity.

I think that those 2 are the most compatible in this part of the country.

(I am no scholar in this type of business) But is it so irrational to think the remaining SCAC members just merge with the ASC? I realize the academic interests are different but refer to Ralph's input...selectivity is lost
(Please dont mug me with insults or comments that Im a blithering idiot? :/)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 29, 2011, 10:36:02 PM
Quote from: etbu27 on May 29, 2011, 09:32:42 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 27, 2011, 07:49:12 PM
When you are getting ready to be abandoned by the eastern half of your conference, which can stand on its own, you lose your selectivity.

I think that those 2 are the most compatible in this part of the country.

(I am no scholar in this type of business) But is it so irrational to think the remaining SCAC members just merge with the ASC? I realize the academic interests are different but refer to Ralph's input...selectivity is lost
(Please dont mug me with insults or comments that Im a blithering idiot? :/)
Good question, ETBU27. I think that any SCAC leftovers could cherry-pick which ASC school they would want to join.

The SCAC schools don't want SRSU, UT-Tyler or UT-Dallas.  There are several others that are less desirable, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on May 30, 2011, 12:48:01 AM
Watch Illinois College as well. The MWC just added Cornell which gives them a non-divisible 11 members. Many are wondering if the MWC is looking to add or subtract one more. IC at one point was looking to get into the SLIAC, but the SLIAC didn't want them. Perhaps IC to the SCAC or to a new league with the defectors?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etbu27 on May 30, 2011, 01:25:11 AM
It is a troubling and confusing situation for sure, I'd love to be a fly on the wall in the athletic offices for some of these potentially abandoned teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on May 30, 2011, 02:21:03 PM
If travelling and politics weren't such a problem they would fit quite nicely with the half of the SCIAC that really doesn't want Chapman as a member.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 31, 2011, 09:10:52 AM
GF, re the SCAC leftovers joining the ASC, there are a couple of factors.   One is that you have schools like Austin and Trinity that were once associated with the ASC (or the ASC's predecessor, the TIAA) and made a deliberate decision to leave.  Two is the perception - based in reality or not - that the ASC places a higher focus on athletics vs. academics.   The corollary to this - also based in reality or not - is that the SCAC schools can't consistently win against the ASC schools, so why put themselves back into that situation?   Ralph's public vs. private argument is an extension of that.

What will be key, if the four schools do leave the SCAC, is whether all the remaining schools are interested in remaining a conference.   For some sports, like football, the AQ would be lost.   Is that a big deal, given that, with the exception of Millsaps, it's been basically a decade since the conference won a first-round playoff game?   The schools with deeper pockets might even consider joining another conference; when you have to get on a plane for more than half your SCAC road games, anyway, what's the difference if you have to fly a little further?

It would be a great time to be a fly on the wall at the upcoming SCAC President's meeting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 01, 2011, 09:23:48 AM
This is, at least, an interesting coincidence given what we've been discussing:

Whitlock Appointed to NCAA Division III SAAC (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/wsoc/2010-11/releases/whitlock_named_national_saac_rep)

Concordia University Texas junior soccer student-athlete Dalaine Whitlock has been appointed to the NCAA Division III Student-Athlete Advisory Committee (SAAC), representing student-athletes from both the American Southwest Conference and the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference on the national committee.

Apparently this is nothing new; she replaces the previous SCAC-ASC joint rep from Rhodes. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 01, 2011, 11:22:11 AM
good refresher, same story, different year:

http://www.laxmagazine.com/blogs/author/coyne/060809_scac

if i were running the show, i would have a two phased expansions to get up to 16 teams, 2 invites this year and 2 next year before contemplating a split. Who gets in this year? Not sure how you go about it but  I would aim for this format:

east: centre, georgetown, sewanee, rhodes, bsc, milsaps, berry, oglethorpe

west: dallas, austin, sw, trinity, hendrix, centenary, CC, team x

team x could be a lot of school's + you could shift milsaps to the west and add another eastern school. If after a few years, this format doesn't work, than have a clean split but in the meantime you buy about 5 more years as a league.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 01, 2011, 11:57:13 AM
Quote from: cush on June 01, 2011, 11:22:11 AM
good refresher, same story, different year:

http://www.laxmagazine.com/blogs/author/coyne/060809_scac

if i were running the show, i would have a two phased expansions to get up to 16 teams, 2 invites this year and 2 next year before contemplating a split. Who gets in this year? Not sure how you go about it but  I would aim for this format:

east: centre, georgetown, sewanee, rhodes, bsc, millsaps, berry, oglethorpe

west: dallas, austin, sw, trinity, hendrix, centenary, CC, team x

team x could be a lot of school's + you could shift milsaps to the west and add another eastern school. If after a few years, this format doesn't work, than have a clean split but in the meantime you buy about 5 more years as a league.

Serious question...

why is Huntgingdon not under consideration as the "16th team" in the area. Are they somewhat compatible with the mission and vision issues?

Huntingdon is adding lacrosse.

The SCAC is counting on "stealing" Centenary from the ASC.  Was Centenary more acceptable to the West of the SCAC than the Eastern Division when they wished to move from D-1?

What if Mississippi College wished to join?

Would the SCAC take Huntingdon over Texas Lutheran or Concordia TX?

Hendrix gets pushed over into the West, which they seem to wish to leave.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 01, 2011, 12:03:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 31, 2011, 09:10:52 AM
GF, re the SCAC leftovers joining the ASC, there are a couple of factors.   One is that you have schools like Austin and Trinity that were once associated with the ASC (or the ASC's predecessor, the TIAA) and made a deliberate decision to leave.  Two is the perception - based in reality or not - that the ASC places a higher focus on athletics vs. academics.   The corollary to this - also based in reality or not - is that the SCAC schools can't consistently win against the ASC schools, so why put themselves back into that situation?   Ralph's public vs. private argument is an extension of that.

What will be key, if the four schools do leave the SCAC, is whether all the remaining schools are interested in remaining a conference.   For some sports, like football, the AQ would be lost.   Is that a big deal, given that, with the exception of Millsaps, it's been basically a decade since the conference won a first-round playoff game?   The schools with deeper pockets might even consider joining another conference; when you have to get on a plane for more than half your SCAC road games, anyway, what's the difference if you have to fly a little further?

It would be a great time to be a fly on the wall at the upcoming SCAC President's meeting.
A conference only needs 4 core members to maintain the AQ in a sport.  They could keep the former members as football affiliates to maintain the AQ.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 01, 2011, 04:20:17 PM
Speculation from "Lou Brown" on the SCAC baseball board:

Quote from: Lou Brown on June 01, 2011, 04:03:53 PM

My sources say:

SCAC: Trinity, Southwestern, Austin, Dallas, Colorado (And some schools that will be annouced soon)


Other conference...possibly called the CAC (which is the old name of the SCAC)

Centre, Sewanee, Rhodes, BSC, Oglethorpe, Millsaps, Hendrix, Berry

You would think they would add 2 more schools for football.

No four football-playing members there.   Do Trinity and Austin try and find a conference to affiliate with?  Does Colorado bring football back if they find some other schools in Texas to join and keep the travel for all CC sports down a bit?

Does it make any sense to call a conference primarily in Texas the "Southern" CAC? 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 01, 2011, 08:34:15 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 200 days to THE SHIP.)



June 1, 2011

Trinity Football Countdown

72 days to Report Day.
95 days to Week 1/Game 1.
123 days to an Open Date.
165 days to The SCAC Championship.
200 days to THE SHIP.


                                                                        :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 01, 2011, 09:02:11 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: New/Expanded Conference.)


Why not try to expand the UAA with Trinity, Austin and another football playing school (high scholastic priority type).
Trinity was invited to join the UAA when they left the TIAA, but the then Trinity president wanted a conference where Trinity was the academic leader?
With schools like those in the UAA, I do not see that the previous academic thinking would be that necessary/correct at this time.

                                                                          ??? 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 01, 2011, 10:25:19 PM
IF they want to spin off that's a pretty good plan. I would say, the texas based league should be called the cac while the other grouping should keep the scac name.  Also, the two leagues could possilby have a joint football conference with affiliates, at least for a few years.  Centenary should be a lock for the texas league to get to 6, than ? to get up to 10, not sure why hendrix doesn't pair with the texas league either.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 02, 2011, 11:21:35 AM
etg,  UAA schools are serious research institutions with major, significant graduate programs.  I believe that when Trinity left the TIAA, it had more of a graduate presence than it has today.  At some point during the Caalgard years, most of the graduate programs were jettisoned.   

Sans a significant graduate/research presence, I don't believe the UAA would be interested in anyone in the SCAC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: James Burk on June 03, 2011, 10:11:59 AM
I am writing to let you know about our QB - #12 Christian Boese. Christian is class of 2012, stands a little over 6 feet and weighs 180 pounds. Christian has good arm strength, accuracy and decision making skills. He has worked extremely hard this off season and had a very productive spring ball. His work ethic is outstanding as well as his leadership abilities. His Junior year he threw for 1795 yards and 15 TD's. He has taken the ACT and got a 25 (he is taking again to improve on this score)on it and carries a GPA of 3.4. There is a link below that has some of his hi-lites from 2010.
Having played at the Division II & III level as well as having coached at the Div I and FCS level I feel confident in recommending Christian as a prospective quarterback for your program.

http://youtu.be/rzWvo7KDvOY

Thanks


 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 03, 2011, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: James Burk on June 03, 2011, 10:11:59 AM
I am writing to let you know

 

Maybe your boy should just contact the schools he's interested in himself.  Quit spamming this everywhere.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 04, 2011, 01:59:55 PM
Quote from: James Burk on June 03, 2011, 10:11:59 AM
I am writing to let you know about our QB - #12 Christian Boese. Christian is class of 2012, stands a little over 6 feet and weighs 180 pounds. Christian has good arm strength, accuracy and decision making skills. He has worked extremely hard this off season and had a very productive spring ball. His work ethic is outstanding as well as his leadership abilities. His Junior year he threw for 1795 yards and 15 TD's. He has taken the ACT and got a 25 (he is taking again to improve on this score)on it and carries a GPA of 3.4. There is a link below that has some of his hi-lites from 2010.
Having played at the Division II & III level as well as having coached at the Div I and FCS level I feel confident in recommending Christian as a prospective quarterback for your program.

http://youtu.be/rzWvo7KDvOY

Thanks
The D-III way to do this is to contact the Admissions personnel at the schools that he would like to attend.  Arrange a visit with the faculty and coaches to see if these schools offer the education that he wants.

The financial aid package will be determined by the school, and will be in line with what "non-athletes" will receive.  Yes, you are playing one college's financial aid package off another, but the student-athlete needs to be comfortable with his choice of educational options.  The football will take care of itself.

Most of the schools in Texas may see as many as 80-100 freshmen players who want to play football at the D-III level.

Best wishes to Christian.  We wish him the best in finding his college.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 05, 2011, 06:50:15 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Expanded UAA for 2012 Football.)


Ron,
My contacts (in Cleveland,OH) tell me that the UAA greatly desires to "expand" the conference with 3 "quality institutions" (NOTE: current UAA members play full 9 or 10 game D3 football schedules without requiring that their opponents be mega-graduate institutions). I believe both Trinity and Austin will fit this criteria, leaving a now undecided third institution to be negotiated with. Believe-it-or-not, DePauw also fits this definition; I am just not sure how firm a commitment to the NCAC they have. Certainly an association with these other 6 (expanded UAA) institutions can only be considered a positive.

Trinity vs. UAA:

Chicago                1982-1991                  record  (4-1)
Washingtin U.      1975-2003                  record   (11-7)
Carnegie Mellon   1992-1993                  record   (1-1) 
Case Western      NA                               NA                         





                                                              :) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2011, 09:55:50 PM
Quote from: etg on June 05, 2011, 06:50:15 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Expanded UAA for 2012 Football.)


Ron,
My contacts (in Cleveland,OH) tell me that the UAA greatly desires to "expand" the conference with 3 "quality institutions" (NOTE: current UAA members play full 9 or 10 game D3 football schedules without requiring that their opponents be mega-graduate institutions). I believe both Trinity and Austin will fit this criteria, leaving a now undecided third institution to be negotiated with. Believe-it-or-not, DePauw also fits this definition; I am just not sure how firm a commitment to the NCAC they have. Certainly an association with these other 6 (expanded UAA) institutions can only be considered a positive.

Trinity vs. UAA:

Chicago                1982-1991                  record  (4-1)
Washingtin U.      1975-2003                  record   (11-7)
Carnegie Mellon   1992-1993                  record   (1-1) 
Case Western      NA                               NA                     
                                                              :) 
Seven members would pull a Pool A bid after 2 years in Pool B. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
Hey, if the UAA wants to change their charter, it would be a better fit than anything else we've discussed and as Ralph says offers at least a chance to get back to a Pool A bid.  Don't see DPU going for it, NCAC seems like an ideal fit for them. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 05, 2011, 11:09:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
Hey, if the UAA wants to change their charter, it would be a better fit than anything else we've discussed and as Ralph says offers at least a chance to get back to a Pool A bid.  Don't see DPU going for it, NCAC seems like an ideal fit for them. 

I think that the SCAC will keep its Pool A bid using "affiliates".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 06, 2011, 11:38:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 05, 2011, 10:11:33 PM
Hey, if the UAA wants to change their charter, it would be a better fit than anything else we've discussed and as Ralph says offers at least a chance to get back to a Pool A bid.  Don't see DPU going for it, NCAC seems like an ideal fit for them. 

I agree.  But what if Wabash goes and then calls and asks DePauw to come along? 

For the record, I don't see any reason why Wabash would, but that's about the only way DePauw would entertain that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 06, 2011, 01:19:10 PM
Guess it could be Armageddon time for the ncac as well as the scac...not really since i can't see it happening. Are you talking football only for the uaa or full membership with just a little different profile of school? I could see the texas school's for a football only schedule deal but its just such a long ways away from the uaa base. Now if the UAA wanted to expand by 4, go to 12 and divisions might work. In that case, adding depauw, wabash, kenyon and dension is something to ponder. Although, i'm thinking MIT and J hopkins make more sense but those 2 probably don't want to deal with the travel and are happy in their current setup.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on June 06, 2011, 08:38:06 PM
UAA members have always been members of the Assoc of American Universities.  Hopkins was a charter menber, but dropped out shortly after round robin play was begun.  MIT is also an AAU member, but none of the other schools in the previous discussion are.

I can see the attraction in adding four teams, at least 3 of which sponsor football.  Football and baseball get an AQ, and other sports could schedule division play to lessen travel.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2011, 10:25:26 AM
It's apparently official .. everyone in the SCAC not in Texas/Colorado is leaving to form their own conference.  

http://bit.ly/iiyr6p [Log Cabin Democrat]

Hendrix College, along with six other schools in the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference, plan to withdraw from the league after the next athletic season and form a new, more compact conference.

Dr. J. Timothy Cloyd, Hendrix president, and his colleagues at Rhodes College, Centre College, Millsaps College, Birmingham Southern, Oglethorpe and Sewanee/University of the South will submit an official letter of resignation today at the annual SCAC meetings in Atlantic, effective by the end of the 2011-12 athletic season. Berry College of Rome, Ga., a new member of NCAA Division III (non-scholarship for athletics), will join the seven departing SCAC teams in the new league.


Plus Hendrix is finally going to start their FB program.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2011, 11:01:55 AM
.. and, as Pat points out in D3Sports.com's take (http://bit.ly/leCs2v) even with Hendrix starting FB, the new league will not be eligible for a Pool C bid in football unless either Oglethorpe or Berry also add the sport.     

Edit:  or unless they allow affiliates to join.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2011, 11:57:54 AM
I would expect Trinity to have something to say about today's events this afternoon. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 07, 2011, 01:39:57 PM
Was Colorado College the straw that broke the conference's back?

I don't think that RHIT or DePauw were.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2011, 02:47:38 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 07, 2011, 01:39:57 PM
Was Colorado College the straw that broke the conference's back?

I don't think that RHIT or DePauw were.

Seems to be an excuse being used, anyway.  The "three time zone" comment in that article applies specifically to CC.    If only there were another D3 member in Colorado to be a true travel partner ... going there and TX on a weekend swing is tough. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 07, 2011, 03:45:06 PM
Sad for the SCAC, still think jumping to 16 with little cross over play was the way to go but all is not lost. The breakaway's do have an easier road since jumping to 9-10 with 1- 2 more football school's is pretty easy and probably more likely than affiliates since i'm sure the texas side will be expanding ...10 members seems like the perfect setup. Given Georgetown(KY) is probably going to move to d3, they are probably a lock to get a spot, thus boosting the football side.  I like huntingdon college for spot 10 but they are a little lower tired and maybe Birmingham southern college prefers to be in the only school in this new league from that state. Thomas more college would be a good pickup if they were willing to move. I do wonder where the new conference HQ will be and who will run the show? same thing with the new texas league considering atlanta is not happening and the current staff might also want to spin off. The texas 4 + CC just need to shift the scac offices to dallas and pickoff 3 asc, centenary being one, school's and regroup + maybe get neb W or some naia school's to move.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2011, 03:53:56 PM
SCAC formal announcement:   http://www.scacsports.com/news/major_changes_scac

...
The remaining five members of the SCAC, Austin College, Colorado College, University of Dallas, Southwestern University and Trinity University, have already been approached by potential new members, and have established a long-range goal of creating an eight to 10 member conference. The SCAC name, its history as well as key NCAA conference designations like automatic qualifications for its champions, shall be retained by these institutions.
...



Dwayne Hanberry, significantly, has opted to remain with the SCAC rather than follow the schools leaving the conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2011, 07:04:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2011, 11:57:54 AM
I would expect Trinity to have something to say about today's events this afternoon.  


Or not.   :-[
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on June 07, 2011, 07:09:11 PM
This would have come as quite a surprise if I hadn't been reading the D3 message board for the last week or two.  

Certainly mileage factor into the decision.  Millsaps is one of the schools located closest to the Texas schools and you are still looking at Trinity being 638 miles away, Southwestern 562 miles, and Austin 460 miles (according to Yahoo maps).   Then you add in Colorado College at a whopping 1,132 miles from Jackson.  On the flip side, they add Berry College as a conference opponent and that's only a 370 mile trip.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 10:03:33 AM
Anyone in here confident that the conference can find more members to retain its automatic bid?

Looks like they will have a couple years to do so.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2011, 10:52:22 AM
I just don't see it..  Even if the SCAC adds Huntingdon (from a travel perspective, a stretch, especially given this week's events), poached Texas Lutheran from the ASC, poached provisional Centenary from the ASC *and* convinced them to add football, AND talked Colorado College into reviving the sport ... well, after all that, you'd still need to find another team.   Southwestern and UDallas are extremely unlikely to add FB, and the other football playing D3 schools in the Texas area are unlikely to get invites (or even want to change) to the SCAC. 

If they do, it'll be a real credit the the SCAC leadership, but as it stands the only way Trinity/Austin will be able to compete for a pool A bid is to affiliate with another conference.   The SCAC presser yesterday said schools had been in touch, it would be nice to know who.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 08, 2011, 10:54:10 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 10:03:33 AM
Anyone in here confident that the conference can find more members to retain its automatic bid?
I think it'll happen in both cases with each conference poaching new members from some of the other conferences in the region
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 11:15:43 AM
Say it the SCAC can't find another team to retain its Pool A...does that bid then get added to Pool C?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 12:07:27 PM
B/c of the grace period, the conference championship (and AQ bid) will be determined by the one game between Austin and Trinity in 2012. Assuming they can't find anyone to join the SCAC.

Talk about a must-win game  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pg04 on June 08, 2011, 12:34:50 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 12:07:27 PM
B/c of the grace period, the conference championship (and AQ bid) will be determined by the one game between Austin and Trinity in 2012. Assuming they can't find anyone to join the SCAC.

Talk about a must-win game  :)

Let's hope both teams lose all regular season games except that one and then go on a run in the playoffs!  1-9 team wins Stagg Bowl!  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2011, 03:05:28 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 11:15:43 AM
Say it the SCAC can't find another team to retain its Pool A...does that bid then get added to Pool C?

One imagines the "CAC" will find a seventh team by the first year they're eligible ('14-'15), which would be the year the SCAC loses their bid if they don't get back to seven. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2011, 03:16:30 PM
Here is Trinity's statement on the split:

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/06-08-11_scac

San Antonio – Despite an announcement about major changes in the membership of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference, Trinity University remains committed to the conference, and is excited about what the future holds.

Seven out of 12 member schools announced that they will withdraw from the SCAC following the 2011-12 academic year. Those leaving the conference are Birmingham-Southern College, Centre College, Hendrix College, Millsaps College, Oglethorpe University, Rhodes College, and Sewanee: The University of the South.

Five institutions will remain in the SCAC: Trinity, Austin College, Colorado College, Southwestern University, and the University of Dallas – which will open its first season in the conference in 2011-12.

The announcement was made following yesterday's meeting of the Board of Directors, consisting of university presidents.

Remaining as Commissioner of the SCAC will be Dwayne Hanberry, who has worked in the conference for the past 16 years.  Any inquiries about future membership in the SCAC should be directed to the SCAC Office.

"Obviously, this news puts Trinity and the remaining members of the SCAC in a difficult situation," said Trinity Director of Athletics Bob King, "but we feel confident that under the leadership of Commissioner Dwayne Hanberry that we will pull through this, and eventually, be better than ever."

New members have already been approached about joining the SCAC. The goal is to have an eight to 10-member conference, which will continue to be part of the NCAA Division III. The SCAC is committed to the philosophy of having members with the highest academic standards, while maintaining competitive athletics programs.

According to Mr. King, "Trinity's goal is to continue to be a nationally-competitive athletics program, and we hope that new members of the SCAC will have similar goals.  We are already looking at ways to develop competitive schedules in all sports for the future.  We are open to any and all possibilities moving forward."  

Tiger teams have won 11 President's Trophies, as the best overall program in the conference. Trinity won the trophy – a railroad bell – seven consecutive years, from 1993-94 to 1999-2000. A four-year streak was produced from 2001-02 to 2004-05.  Trinity began competition in the conference in the 1989-90 season.

Trinity's men's and women's teams have captured 144 SCAC Championships over the years, including five during the 2010-11 season: men's and women's soccer, women's swimming and diving, baseball, and men's tennis.


Interesting to note that with the split, Trinity will now be the SCAC member with the longest tenure ('89-'90).  Edit:  Southwestern started in '94-'95, Colorado College and Austin College in '06-'07.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 03:41:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2011, 03:16:30 PM
Here is Trinity's statement on the split:

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/06-08-11_scac

San Antonio – Despite an announcement about major changes in the membership of the Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference, Trinity University remains committed to the conference, and is excited about what the future holds.

Really?!

Is that b/c they are going to kick everyone's a$$ in the conference going foward? Other than that, there isn't much to get excited about...this is a big blow to this conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2011, 03:56:26 PM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 03:41:32 PM

Really?!

Is that b/c they are going to kick everyone's a$$ in the conference going foward? Other than that, there isn't much to get excited about...this is a big blow to this conference.

Well, as the big dog remaining in the conference, it behooves Trinity to make a positive statement if they hope to attract other quality programs.   And Bob King probably has a much better idea of the kinds of schools the SCAC is going after; depending on those discussions, there certainly could be room for optimism.

That said, note this excerpt from the release:  

"Trinity's goal is to continue to be a nationally-competitive athletics program, and we hope that new members of the SCAC will have similar goals."  (emphasis mine)

Read into that what you will, but it seems pretty plain, and could provide a little more insight into reasons for the split other than the sudden "oh, NOW the travel is a hassle."  And, for those who don't follow the SCAC, it's been DePauw, not Trinity, that has won the last six all-sports championships. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2011, 03:56:26 PM

"Trinity’s goal is to continue to be a nationally-competitive athletics program, and we hope that new members of the SCAC will have similar goals."  (emphasis mine)

Read into that what you will, but it seems pretty plain, and could provide a little more insight into reasons for the split other than the sudden "oh, NOW the travel is a hassle."  And, for those who don't follow the SCAC, it's been DePauw, not Trinity, that has won the last six all-sports championships. 

Has the SCAC been cutting back in travel expenses recently? B/c that could be the main reason why they are doing this now....b/c of the economy.

The WIAC is being forced to cut back. Each football team now has to play one fellow WIAC team twice. Once as a non conference game, and once as a conference game. This will save on travel expenses.

Sounds like SCAC schools are looking on cutting back too....but on a whole nother level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 08, 2011, 06:11:21 PM
"And, for those who don't follow the SCAC, it's been DePauw, not Trinity, that has won the last six all-sports championships."

Why did you write this, Ron?   
Title: NAIA's Westminster Looking at D3 SCAC
Post by: radiodavel on June 08, 2011, 09:06:45 PM
NAIA's Westminster Looking at D3 SCAC
www.theseniorreports.com/naiadiv3.htm

"The only school that has expressed an interest through us is Westminster College in Salt Lake City," Ralph said. "I know several of the Texas schools have received calls from potential new members."

Westminster is the southernmost school in the nine-member NAIA Frontier Conference, which is based in Montana. Such a move would require the Griffins to drop athletic scholarships, which may offset increased travel costs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 08, 2011, 09:26:04 PM
"
QuoteAnd, for those who don't follow the SCAC, it's been DePauw, not Trinity, that has won the last six all-sports championships."

Why did you write this, Ron? 

Because it's true?  ;) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 08, 2011, 10:01:25 PM
Here's one for the Petrel fans on the board...  Exchanged some messages with some of the Sewanee Alumni who live on the Mountain and someone mentioned the possibility of OU restarting their football program given the reduced travel demands of the new conference.     Thought it an interesting as it would mean that the new conference would then have 7 football playing teams once Hendrix gets their program going.   Any of the OU folks here on the board see a chance of this happening?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2011, 10:17:21 PM
Re:  Oglethorpe adding football.

Currently a 60:40 ratio women to men in the 1030 student body.

100 football players would change the gender ratio to 56:44, from 3 women to 2 guys down to 6 women to 5 guys.

I assume that Oglethorpe could use the extra enrollment and an extra $3.0M to $3.8 M in revenue.

http://www.petersons.com/college-search/oglethorpe-university-at-a-glance-000_10000230_10001.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2011, 10:23:30 PM
Re 'thorpe adding football:  this is as much a cultural decision as a financial one.  There is still a lot of disgust in Conway that HX is adding football.  The school leadership has to sell it pretty hard for it to happen. 

Southwestern and UDallas could make the same decision but would have to overcome the same reluctance to change. 

Quote from: TU2698 on June 08, 2011, 06:11:21 PM
"And, for those who don't follow the SCAC, it's been DePauw, not Trinity, that has won the last six all-sports championships."

Why did you write this, Ron?   

Why would you be concerned about a totally factual statement, made without any other comment, observation, shading, or value judgement?  

We have a lot of people here who don't know the SCAC, some of whom believe that Trinity dominates the conference because of the former dominance of the TU football program.   As pointed out, DePauw took over in recent years.   Besides DPU, Centre was pretty close to Trinity in the overall standings this year.    Schools that wanted to be competitive in the conference could be competitive.   There are some that didn't want to make the effort and IMO decided they wanted to play in their own little pool rather than step up their game.  

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 08, 2011, 10:30:08 PM
I cut my fingernails this morning.  That's true. It's a factual statement.  The reason I didn't post it is because it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

It just seems like you go out of your way to make sure that people don't see you as a Trinity cheerleader.  I've said all this before so it should come as no surprise, but I didn't get the idea that everyone was still thinking of Trinity as dominant in all sports.
Title: Re: NAIA's Westminster Looking at D3 SCAC
Post by: Just Bill on June 08, 2011, 10:40:23 PM
Quote from: radiodavel on June 08, 2011, 09:06:45 PM
NAIA's Westminster Looking at D3 SCAC
www.theseniorreports.com/naiadiv3.htm

"The only school that has expressed an interest through us is Westminster College in Salt Lake City," Ralph said. "I know several of the Texas schools have received calls from potential new members."

Westminster is the southernmost school in the nine-member NAIA Frontier Conference, which is based in Montana. Such a move would require the Griffins to drop athletic scholarships, which may offset increased travel costs.

Yes, I'm sure the SCAC which just split up over extreme travel demands is JUST DYING to add a school from Utah.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 08, 2011, 10:53:05 PM
SCAC becomes WCAC!. At first, the idea of a utah school seemed unlikely, than i read that colorado newspaper story with the scac commish saying geography isn't a vital issue, so who knows. I like the idea of ok city u moving from naia. If you could have 5 or 6 texas school's to pair with CC, centenary, ok city u and why not westminster, i'll assume sw airlines flies to salt lake cheaply for 9-10 member league.  Another thought that crossed my mind is could the breakaway school's have a little devious plan >:( Like getting back to 12 with invites to trinity, sw, austin and centenary. In that case, the new league would have nice 6 team divisions. Yet, that would seem to go against the rational for breaking up in the fist place. It does seem football could happen at berry, will be discussed next fall:

http://www.romenews-tribune.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Berry+among+several+schools+developing+a+new+NCAA+Division+III+conference%20&id=13904775
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 08, 2011, 11:07:28 PM
Quote from: TU2698 on June 08, 2011, 10:30:08 PM
I cut my fingernails this morning.  That's true. It's a factual statement.  The reason I didn't post it is because it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

It just seems like you go out of your way to make sure that people don't see you as a Trinity cheerleader.  I've said all this before so it should come as no surprise, but I didn't get the idea that everyone was still thinking of Trinity as dominant in all sports.

Let's see.  SCAC standings?  Relevant to a discussion of why teams might leave.
Your fingernail clippings?  Totally irrelevant, as is most of your critique.

It's good to know I can count on you to willfully misconstrue anything I say that isn't 100% "Trinity is the most awesomest school in everything ever."  Don't go changing.  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 08, 2011, 11:15:39 PM
Quote from: cush on June 08, 2011, 10:53:05 PM
SCAC becomes WCAC!. At first, the idea of a utah school seemed unlikely, than i read that colorado newspaper story with the scac commish saying geography isn't a vital issue, so who knows. I like the idea of ok city u moving from naia. If you could have 5 or 6 texas school's to pair with CC, centenary, ok city u and why not westminster, i'll assume sw airlines flies to salt lake cheaply for 9-10 member league.  Another thought that crossed my mind is could the breakaway school's have a little devious plan >:( Like getting back to 12 with invites to trinity, sw, austin and centenary.  In that case, the new league would have nice 6 team divisions. Yet, that would seem to go against the rational for breaking up in the fist place. It does seem football could happen at berry, will be discussed next fall:

http://www.romenews-tribune.com/pages/full_story/push?article-Berry+among+several+schools+developing+a+new+NCAA+Division+III+conference%20&id=13904775
And Hendrix and Rhodes/Millsaps would be stuck with the same travel problems of going to Texas.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 08, 2011, 11:52:53 PM

If conference realignment had anything to do with schools trying to get a better chance to win, I think we would have seen this years ago.  Conference standings have nothing to do with this and no one thinks Trinity is dominant in all sports.  It is pure geography.

They aren't good anymore, and you're still on a crusade to make sure everyone knows it, just in case anyone forgot.  Do the results not speak for themselves? 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2011, 12:12:51 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 12:07:27 PM
B/c of the grace period, the conference championship (and AQ bid) will be determined by the one game between Austin and Trinity in 2012. Assuming they can't find anyone to join the SCAC.

Talk about a must-win game  :)

This is a big assumption. It's never been tested like this before.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2011, 12:16:02 AM
Quote from: TU2698 on June 08, 2011, 10:30:08 PM
I cut my fingernails this morning.  That's true. It's a factual statement.  The reason I didn't post it is because it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

It just seems like you go out of your way to make sure that people don't see you as a Trinity cheerleader.  I've said all this before so it should come as no surprise, but I didn't get the idea that everyone was still thinking of Trinity as dominant in all sports.

Hmm... the conversation is about the SCAC. What's your beef here, that someone isn't bowing down to Trinity?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 09, 2011, 09:35:44 AM
 ;D

e
Centre
Rhodes
sewanee
berry
oglethorpe
birmingham southern

w
milsaps
hendrix
centenary
austin
sw
trinity

if the above was the scac, it might have stuck together even though travel is still an issue.  Yet, i don't think such a league is in the cards now given the breakaway school's have more options to their liking in their footprint than in the past.  The texas side is close to critical mass but still needs some naia school's/d2 to switch and have more football programs. Centenary is the school to watch since it could align with either side but i doubt its days in the asc will be long. I wonder what the withdraw provisions are?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on June 09, 2011, 10:18:49 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2011, 12:12:51 AM
Quote from: 02 Warhawk on June 08, 2011, 12:07:27 PM
B/c of the grace period, the conference championship (and AQ bid) will be determined by the one game between Austin and Trinity in 2012. Assuming they can't find anyone to join the SCAC.

Talk about a must-win game  :)

This is a big assumption. It's never been tested like this before.

I mused on another board, that the SCAC likely has a minimum number of particiapting schools required to be considered a conference sport. If they do, than I would assume two is too few. So if the SCAC doesn't officially sponsor football, then they would have no AQ bid to hand out. I think that's a more likely scenario.

On the other hand, it might be fun if Austin and Trinity just played a best-of-7 series in Weeks 4-10 to determine the automatic qualifier. I vote for that. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2011, 01:44:56 PM
Good point -- if they don't "sponsor" the sport then they can't hand out a bid in it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2011, 04:21:01 PM
Keith's analysis of the moves and what might follow is on our blog: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/06/09/after-the-scac-shuffle-whats-next/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 09, 2011, 04:46:30 PM
Here's the Colorado daily's take on the #scacshuffle (http://www.gazette.com/sports/college-119454-university-dwayne.html) (good one, K-Mack):

The most significant news here is that the new conference apparently tried to take Dwayne Hanberry with them when they left.  That would have been a very easy move to make, but to his credit, Dwayne's staying with the SCAC.   :)   8-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 09, 2011, 08:36:31 PM
QuoteI cut my fingernails this morning.  That's true. It's a factual statement.  The reason I didn't post it is because it doesn't have anything to do with the discussion.

It just seems like you go out of your way to make sure that people don't see you as a Trinity cheerleader.  I've said all this before so it should come as no surprise, but I didn't get the idea that everyone was still thinking of Trinity as dominant in all sports.

Relax, Francis.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on June 09, 2011, 08:41:56 PM
You mean, "Lighten up, Francis!"

That's a fact, Jack!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2011, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2011, 04:21:01 PM
Keith's analysis of the moves and what might follow is on our blog: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/06/09/after-the-scac-shuffle-whats-next/
A post at the bottom of Keith's blog links one to the (Hendrix) President Cloyd interview.

http://thecabin.net/sports/college/2011-06-08/hendrix-president-discusses-move-new-conference

The comment by Ganda1f about Birmingham-Southern is particularly intriguing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on June 09, 2011, 09:11:53 PM
The Rome (Ga.) News-Tribune article covering the breakaway from Berry's perspective mentioned that there would be a "lively discussion" next year about adding the sport at Berry.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on June 09, 2011, 09:28:35 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 09, 2011, 08:59:41 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 09, 2011, 04:21:01 PM
Keith's analysis of the moves and what might follow is on our blog: http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/06/09/after-the-scac-shuffle-whats-next/
A post at the bottom of Keith's blog links one to the (Hendrix) President Cloyd interview.

http://thecabin.net/sports/college/2011-06-08/hendrix-president-discusses-move-new-conference

The comment by Ganda1f about Birmingham-Southern is particularly intriguing.

It seems like Dr. Cloyd, from the comments in the article, would be a proponent of the "D4" model that was talked about a while back.  Not sure that's the athletic philosophy that BSC signed up for when they made the switch from D1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 10, 2011, 08:23:40 AM
Trinity's athletic department blog (http://bit.ly/ijqpAk) is the latest to comment on the #scacshuffle.  

Quote from: Bmo on June 09, 2011, 09:28:35 PM

It seems like Dr. Cloyd, from the comments in the article, would be a proponent of the "D4" model that was talked about a while back.  Not sure that's the athletic philosophy that BSC signed up for when they made the switch from D1

Dr. Cloyd is doing a lot of talking about this and implying that his take is representative of the "CAC" as a whole.  I don't see Centre or Rhodes being nearly this outspoken, and don't see those schools (or BSC with their incredible facilities) stepping back from what they've been doing so the Warriors will suddenly be competitive.

As the geographic outlier in the "CAC", Hendrix is going to have many of the travel issues it had before.  OK, they don't go to Colorado, but playing all those schools in the far east and north is pretty similar travel to going to Texas.   It's about 600 road miles from Conway to Atlanta if you take interstates instead of roads that make you stop in every little town along the way, basically the same as it is from Conway to SA, and I betcha they continue to fly just like they do now.   Having a conference with a '500-mile radius' is only significant if the bulk of the schools are inside that radius rather than being around the edges. 

So, given that HX isn't really gaining ALL that much (there will be some gain since they're not in the SCAC-W, and there are some schools closer than Dallas or Austin/SA), it sounds like Cloyd is trying to come up with other reasons to justify making the move.   He makes it sound like HE was one of the movers and shakers; maybe it's even true.   Throwing the old 'academic' card (which, admittedly, is a pretty typical thing the SCAC has always liked to do) is an easy thing to do. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on June 10, 2011, 08:58:32 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 10, 2011, 08:23:40 AM
Trinity's athletic department blog (http://bit.ly/ijqpAk) is the latest to comment on the #scacshuffle.  

Quote from: Bmo on June 09, 2011, 09:28:35 PM

It seems like Dr. Cloyd, from the comments in the article, would be a proponent of the "D4" model that was talked about a while back.  Not sure that's the athletic philosophy that BSC signed up for when they made the switch from D1

Dr. Cloyd is doing a lot of talking about this and implying that his take is representative of the "CAC" as a whole.  I don't see Centre or Rhodes being nearly this outspoken, and don't see those schools (or BSC with their incredible facilities) stepping back from what they've been doing so the Warriors will suddenly be competitive.

As the geographic outlier in the "CAC", Hendrix is going to have many of the travel issues it had before.  OK, they don't go to Colorado, but playing all those schools in the far east and north is pretty similar travel to going to Texas.   It's about 600 road miles from Conway to Atlanta if you take interstates instead of roads that make you stop in every little town along the way, basically the same as it is from Conway to SA, and I betcha they continue to fly just like they do now.   Having a conference with a '500-mile radius' is only significant if the bulk of the schools are inside that radius rather than being around the edges.  

So, given that HX isn't really gaining ALL that much (there will be some gain since they're not in the SCAC-W, and there are some schools closer than Dallas or Austin/SA), it sounds like Cloyd is trying to come up with other reasons to justify making the move.   He makes it sound like HE was one of the movers and shakers; maybe it's even true.   Throwing the old 'academic' card (which, admittedly, is a pretty typical thing the SCAC has always liked to do) is an easy thing to do.  

His thoughts could be representative Hendrix only, or they could be representative the "Gang of Four's" academic leadership's thought process going in to this split, and not necessarily their respective athletic staffs.  He made it sound like the presidents got together and decided this was their new focus and direction and that they were like minded in this regard; a top down decision.

My interpretation is that this has very little to do with travel money and missed class time and more to do with reducing emphasis on athletics at their institutions.  "Let's give the boys and girls some time to run about on the field so they can burn off that excess energy and get back to more high minded pursuits."  It will be interesting to see how the other three schools brought on due to proximity feel about this.  Unfortunately, they have lost any say in the matter due to 4-3 majority rules voting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on June 10, 2011, 01:00:40 PM
Here's some more insight into Hendrix's athletic vision. 

http://arkansasnews.com/2011/06/09/hendrix-seeks-to-indulge-but-not-over-indulge/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on June 10, 2011, 01:41:48 PM
QuoteYou mean, "Ligthen up, Francis!"

That's a fact, Jack! 

You are correct! Thank you...15 yard personal foul for misquoting lines from classic movies...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 10, 2011, 03:12:36 PM
Quote from: Bmo on June 10, 2011, 01:00:40 PM
Here's some more insight into Hendrix's athletic vision.  

http://arkansasnews.com/2011/06/09/hendrix-seeks-to-indulge-but-not-over-indulge/


Thanks for bringing us these continued updates from Arkansas, Bmo.  I see this one, despite an attempt to be positive, contains some of the usual misconceptions of what Division III football is:


And then there is Cloyd's apparent vision of Hendrix football facilities:



Yeah.  Good luck with recruiting kids to play on that, Dr. Cloyd, let alone


God bless 'im, 300 more students (20% growth) because you're adding very small-time football?   :o

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on June 10, 2011, 03:24:48 PM
"Thanks for bringing us these continued updates from about Arkansas from google."

;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on June 10, 2011, 07:52:40 PM
Quote from: etg on June 05, 2011, 06:50:15 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Expanded UAA for 2012 Football.)


Ron,
My contacts (in Cleveland,OH) tell me that the UAA greatly desires to "expand" the conference with 3 "quality institutions" (NOTE: current UAA members play full 9 or 10 game D3 football schedules without requiring that their opponents be mega-graduate institutions). I believe both Trinity and Austin will fit this criteria, leaving a now undecided third institution to be negotiated with. Believe-it-or-not, DePauw also fits this definition; I am just not sure how firm a commitment to the NCAC they have. Certainly an association with these other 6 (expanded UAA) institutions can only be considered a positive.

Trinity vs. UAA:

Chicago                1982-1991                  record  (4-1)
Washingtin U.      1975-2003                  record   (11-7)
Carnegie Mellon   1992-1993                  record   (1-1) 
Case Western      NA                               NA                         





                                                              :) 

etg are your sources referring to football only affiliates or all-sport menbers?  I don't really see the UAA expanding beyond its already large footprint.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on June 12, 2011, 11:10:55 PM
I hate to see the SCAC break up.  I am going to go ahead say that Millsaps will be the power in football in that new conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2011, 01:10:34 AM
Quote from: 33Belly on June 12, 2011, 11:10:55 PM
I hate to see the SCAC break up.  I am going to go ahead say that Millsaps will be the power in football in that new conference.
Beware BSC!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etbu27 on June 13, 2011, 02:19:21 AM
Just read Ron's linked article....Id say that if I heard the President of a university speak about his football team like that I would not even want to play them, much less play for them. Completely ridiculous, makes me kinda upset for the kids that dont get the chance to read that article and end up going there to play. Unfortunate really.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 13, 2011, 08:04:00 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 13, 2011, 01:10:34 AM
Quote from: 33Belly on June 12, 2011, 11:10:55 PM
I hate to see the SCAC break up.  I am going to go ahead say that Millsaps will be the power in football in that new conference.
Beware BSC!

They have been very competitive in basketball and baseball already, even without conference championships and playoffs to motivate them; I'll be very surprised if they aren't at the top of the current conference in football this season.  They had to do a reset after Joey Jones brought in a whole bunch of non-D3 types so he could land a job upstairs (in this case, South Alabama).  
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on June 13, 2011, 01:07:16 PM
Quote from: etbu27 on June 13, 2011, 02:19:21 AM
Just read Ron's linked article....Id say that if I heard the President of a university speak about his football team like that I would not even want to play them, much less play for them. Completely ridiculous, makes me kinda upset for the kids that dont get the chance to read that article and end up going there to play. Unfortunate really.

It seems to me the goal is a half step or so above "Club Sport".  I certainly don't have a problem with that if that's your intention and focus.  I know many people who played club sports in college and had great experiences.  I just don't know why you wouldn't just call it that instead of selling yourself as a D3 program in order to get a few more students with no intention of ever providing the resources to back it up.  You are asking people to pay really good money and even go into debt to get a college experience at these institutions so some transparency should be expected.

It's such a fine line that strikes to heart of exactly what D3 is.  Some people value the competitive aspects and intangible skills that can be learned outside of the class room on the athletic field while others see athletic programs as a distraction and a necessary evil for revenue generation.  I can make sound arguments for both thought processes, but I do value the intangibles I received by participating in a competitive league with all the former SCAC schools.

I'm curious as to how this plays out with other institutions, as it can only really happen if everyone is on board.  There's already talk of restrictions on coach salaries.  It will be an interesting conversation when coaches who have built lives around some of these schools have to be let go because they are above pay scale.

Quite possibly, I'm taking this much further than what the new league truly intends, but until there is clarification, I can only take what has been said at face value.  I'm most likely the least informed person on this board with my information only coming from printed media, so take it all with a grain of salt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 13, 2011, 04:17:19 PM
I don't really understand those comments more so coming from hendrix since they could fit into either side, the scac leftovers or leavers do to their location. Its not like the scac was made up a a wide variety of different types of school's but they were all basically well regarded small liberals arts colleges.  I do understand the rational to leave do to geography since its makes little sense for school's in kentucky, Georgia or  alabama to travel to texas and colorado for a divsions 3 conference game. The fact is the eastern school's had enough of them to create a more compact league. I'd guess the President of Hendrix might be throwing some bones to the hostile to football crowd prevalent at some school's to get the OK to bring the sport back.

I do agree BSC will be an athletic power but same with berry. Recent scholarship school's probably have some edge compared to programs in d3 longer, not to mention those school's are in states with a lot of high school athletic talent and not much competition at the d3 level. The same will apply with centenary. I'm not sure what direction that school will go but i'll assume they get offers from both the scac and new league.  The school president has a texas past and geography might favor it  but the breakaway school's probably have more solid of a league.  The scac will be able to rebuild but getting the football auto bid will be almost impossible. I guess they could go east to get some football school's but that would probably send colorado college to d2 and also be bringing in lower profile institutions. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 13, 2011, 05:24:02 PM
It does come across as if football at Hendrix will be merely dormfill.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 13, 2011, 07:10:40 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 13, 2011, 05:24:02 PM
It does come across as if football at Hendrix will be merely dormfill.

And if that is truly the case, then it's an act born of unfortunate ignorance. As well, do Hendrix and the other defectors believe they are "eliter" than the rest of the SCAC? If so, what's the hard evidence?

Whatever, it verges on the low farcical ....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 13, 2011, 08:54:21 PM
I wonder if the admission of UDallas was a factor.  Maybe it was just the straw that broke the camel's back (or the CAC's back).   While there are 3000 total students, only 1300 of those are undergrad.  It is the only school affiliated with a non-Protestant denomination (Catholic).   No, wait, Sewanee is associated with the Episcopalean church, that's not Protestant, is it?   It has a school of ministry (the only one in the conference?  No, Sewanee at least has one; Millsaps and Rhodes have majors in religious studies, B-SC two religion majors).    It is yet another school based in the western part of the conference.   Interestingly, and perhaps to one of Cloyd's points, US News ranks it as one of 16 western colleges in the "A+ schools for B students" category.   While US News ranks UD 15th in the western region, Forbes ranks it above both Trinity and Austin.  

UD wanted in for a while, it seems, and when they finally get in (admission which had to be approved by a majority of SCAC members), over half of the schools up and leave them behind.  The timing is interesting, perhaps coincidental, but interesting nonetheless.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 13, 2011, 09:56:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 13, 2011, 08:54:21 PM
No, wait, Sewanee is associated with the Episcopalean church, that's not Protestant, is it?   It has a school of ministry (the only one in the conference?
The ECUSA is Protestant but only by the barest of threads.   Although some claim that we're evolved into just being Unitarians with an odd perchant for fancy dress and organ music...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 13, 2011, 10:16:24 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 13, 2011, 08:54:21 PM
The timing is interesting, perhaps coincidental, but interesting nonetheless.
Quote from: Warren Thompson on June 13, 2011, 07:10:40 PM
As well, do Hendrix and the other defectors believe they are "eliter" than the rest of the SCAC? If so, what's the hard evidence?
My guess is that UD coming into the league was just one of the factors that entered into the decision.   I think there has always been people amongst the supporters of the schools that came into league from the old CAC that have been uncomfortable with the Texas schools's attitudes towards athletics.  I don't put myself in that category as Sewanee has moved more towards a similar viewpoint over the past 10/15 years.  You can certainly see it in how the facilities have improved on the Mountain, if not in some of the results on the field. It's certainly a better approach to sports than the benign neglect our administration favored when I was on the Mountain in the mid-1980s. 

It's my opinion that that Dr. McCardell and Mark Webb would not agree with the comments from the Hendrix president but I've not had the chance to ask them directly.   To the "eliteness" question, some of that may be there given the personalities involved.  However, it really strikes me as being more driven by differences in opinion about program directions amongst the SCAC members and business issues with the conference becoming too large and too spread out geographically.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on June 14, 2011, 10:30:18 AM
Quote from: etbu27 on June 13, 2011, 02:19:21 AM
Just read Ron's linked article....Id say that if I heard the President of a university speak about his football team like that I would not even want to play them, much less play for them. Completely ridiculous, makes me kinda upset for the kids that dont get the chance to read that article and end up going there to play. Unfortunate really.

I have no doubt that a copy of that article will be in the recruiting files of every school that may ever recruit against Hendrix. When a student mentions they are considering Hendrix, someone will show it to them.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2011, 12:01:57 PM
If we assume that the need to grow larger to maintain the AQ was one of the factors in the exapansion and the split, then what type of influence has that had on the school's decision to go with the CAC-East?

You need to be at 7 for the AQ. Eight is easier and most, including the late ASC commissioner Fred Jacoby (who won the NCAA's highest award for commissioner), will say that 10 is ideal for conference dynamics and stability.

Twelve allows division play.

RHIT and DPU were brought into the conference for AQ reasons.  Where else was the SCAC to find "like minded" institutions in the late 1990's when the AQ movement began in D-III?

The AQ is driving all of this.  A school either admits that they want access to a national championship or they focus on an athletic program that is glorified "intramurals".
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HelloGoodbye on June 14, 2011, 07:28:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2011, 12:01:57 PM
The AQ is driving all of this.  A school either admits that they want access to a national championship or they focus on an athletic program that is glorified "intramurals".
Why can't they do both? (The rest of this is only indirectly related to the quote)

Isn't the point of D3 athletics, to demonstrate the meaning of STUDENT-athlete? What is wrong with accepting students who don't fit the schools scholastic, economic, and (bbking might argue ethnic) portfolio. Would these presidents not agree that the mission of D3 athletics to mold men and women of BALANCE? Where is the balance within these institutions? Are they concerned that they're not able to educate students with average high school scores? I could write an entire blog on reasons students can perform much higher than their high school scores suggest, if given the right guidance and motivation.

What better way could and institution demonstrate superiority, then to find young men who have potential, and help them tap that potential? Wouldn't taking an average (academic) high school student athlete, and turning him into an all-conference... even an all-conference academic team player,  be the true definition of what D3 athletics is all about? If this is purely about academics, these institutions are in need of a "cup check" to see if there's anything still there.

From a football standpoint, this might have been a great move. If these schools weren't serious about football and athletics, it'd be Trinity's conference for another decade. The SCAC was boring until Millsaps flipped it on its' head. Any true football fan loved that... a REAL rivalry that meant something... mid-season games with playoff feel... not one team stomping the rest of the conference into the mud.

From a geographic stand-point, the conference has always been a mess. It would've been nice if the ASC and SCAC could've "traded" a few schools. CC was the beginning of the end.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etbu27 on June 14, 2011, 07:32:35 PM
HelloGoodbye....nice first post sir. I couldnt agree more. Very well said. Id give you karma but im not cool enough yet.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
Quote from: HelloGoodbye on June 14, 2011, 07:28:03 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2011, 12:01:57 PM
The AQ is driving all of this.  A school either admits that they want access to a national championship or they focus on an athletic program that is glorified "intramurals".
Why can't they do both? (The rest of this is only indirectly related to the quote)

Isn't the point of D3 athletics, to demonstrate the meaning of STUDENT-athlete? What is wrong with accepting students who don't fit the schools scholastic, economic, and (bbking might argue ethnic) portfolio. Would these presidents not agree that the mission of D3 athletics to mold men and women of BALANCE? Where is the balance within these institutions? Are they concerned that they're not able to educate students with average high school scores? I could write an entire blog on reasons students can perform much higher than their high school scores suggest, if given the right guidance and motivation.

What better way could and institution demonstrate superiority, then to find young men who have potential, and help them tap that potential? Wouldn't taking an average (academic) high school student athlete, and turning him into an all-conference... even an all-conference academic team player,  be the true definition of what D3 athletics is all about? If this is purely about academics, these institutions are in need of a "cup check" to see if there's anything still there.

From a football standpoint, this might have been a great move. If these schools weren't serious about football and athletics, it'd be Trinity's conference for another decade. The SCAC was boring until Millsaps flipped it on its' head. Any true football fan loved that... a REAL rivalry that meant something... mid-season games with playoff feel... not one team stomping the rest of the conference into the mud.

From a geographic stand-point, the conference has always been a mess. It would've been nice if the ASC and SCAC could've "traded" a few schools. CC was the beginning of the end.
I agree.  This is a great post.  +1!  :)

Can you imagine a former D-1 coach going to Hendrix when they start the program?  If they do go with that culture shift on the campus, then it will change the school and the football program will likely be successful.  That was what it took to break the Trinity monopoly.

Look how Mary Hardin-Baylor forever broke the mindset, right or wrong, of being a women's college!  They hired Coach Fred!

We have seen schools drop football because of the culture issue, i.e., Swarthmore, about 2000.

As for the shifts from the ASC to the SCAC, you have almost tapped out the ASC of potential candidates. First-year provisional Centenary aside, IMHO, the next most "SCAC-acceptable" school in the current ASC is McMurry, but we have charted a different course.

As it was, the SCAC was too big by half.  Schools for whom football was not part of their mission and vision are now faced with the economic reality that football puts men into dorm rooms, and their bottom lines need more enrollment.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hsusid on June 14, 2011, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
First-year provisional Centenary aside, IMHO, the next most "SCAC-acceptable" school in the current ASC is McMurry, but we have charted a different course.

Ralph you know I respect your opinion, so this one I have to hear. What in the profile makes McMurry the next most "SCAC-acceptable" school? Inquiring minds want to know.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2011, 10:28:52 PM
Quote from: hsusid on June 14, 2011, 09:41:36 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2011, 08:48:05 PM
First-year provisional Centenary aside, IMHO, the next most "SCAC-acceptable" school in the current ASC is McMurry, but we have charted a different course.

Ralph you know I respect your opinion, so this one I have to hear. What in the profile makes McMurry the next most "SCAC-acceptable" school? Inquiring minds want to know.

Thanks, hsusid.

1) Half of being "SCAC-acceptable" is a consideration that a school might accept a switch in conferences.  It is just my opinion that HSU and UMHB are very happy in the ASC.  Wouldn't that be a real change in the nature of D-III in this part of the country, for those 2 to move to the SCAC?  As I understand Dr Bawcom, UMHB is very happy where they are.  But I am not speculating on those two moving to the SCAC.

2) Is scheduling routine games on Sunday a deal-breaker? Possibly at TLU, CTX or Schreiner?  Maybe a McMurry.  More likely at HSU, HPU, ETBU, UMHB and LeTU?

3) Private school?  That eliminates UT-D, UT-Tyler and SRSU.

4) Desirability of Football? Maybe.  Does that eliminate non-football schools like CTX, Schreiner, Ozarks and LeTU?

5) Denominational ties?  The prominent Southwestern president, who guided them into the SCAC, is a McMurry alum.  There is much denominational crossover between the 2 schools.

6) Historical ties?  In football, I think that McMurry all-time opponents #3 and #4 are AC and Trinity, behind #1 SRSU and #2 HPU.

There are 6 issues that might be considered in that evaluation.

I can definitely see Centenary in the new revised SCAC by the end of the decade.

What I anticipate would be a coordinated move between the SCAC and the ASC to strengthen D-III in this part of the country.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 14, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: HelloGoodbye on June 14, 2011, 07:28:03 PM

Isn't the point of D3 athletics, to demonstrate the meaning of STUDENT-athlete? What is wrong with accepting students who don't fit the schools scholastic, economic, and (bbking might argue ethnic) portfolio. Would these presidents not agree that the mission of D3 athletics to mold men and women of BALANCE? Where is the balance within these institutions? Are they concerned that they're not able to educate students with average high school scores? I could write an entire blog on reasons students can perform much higher than their high school scores suggest, if given the right guidance and motivation.

Admitting a student-athlete on the basis of athletic potential over academic qualifications - and let's face it, that is your basic premise, window dressing aside - is a pretty basic violation of NCAA Division III policy, is it not?  Especially since those student-athletes would probably also need substantial financial aid to pay the piper, and granting aid disproportionately to student-athletes for whatever reason IS a huge no-no that the NCAA will seek out and has been paying more attention to as of late.   

Folks, if you're not in the SCAC, you're free to call it a "geographic mess," but the fact of the matter is it worked quite well for a couple of decades until it choked on its own success (too many teams, too far apart).   Whether a new SCAC can rise from the ashes to retain its geographic independence is a matter still very much in the balance, but that is the direction that has been announced.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2011, 10:57:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 14, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
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Folks, if you're not in the SCAC, you're free to call it a "geographic mess," but the fact of the matter is it worked quite well for a couple of decades until it choked on its own success (too many teams, too far apart).   Whether a new SCAC can rise from the ashes to retain its geographic independence is a matter still very much in the balance, but that is the direction that has been announced.    

Respectfully, RHIT was only in the conference for less than a decade. (1998-99 thru 2005-06).  With that departure the conference had to replace a football school way out in the third time zone.

I do agree the success did lead to the split.  When 8 geographically concentrated teams could form a new league, then they did.  As long as the conference was "10 like minded institutions", they were stuck with making it work for themselves.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HelloGoodbye on June 15, 2011, 08:59:36 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 14, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: HelloGoodbye on June 14, 2011, 07:28:03 PM


Admitting a student-athlete on the basis of athletic potential over academic qualifications - and let's face it, that is your basic premise, window dressing aside - is a pretty basic violation of NCAA Division III policy, is it not?  Especially since those student-athletes would probably also need substantial financial aid to pay the piper, and granting aid disproportionately to student-athletes for whatever reason IS a huge no-no that the NCAA will seek out and has been paying more attention to as of late.   

Folks, if you're not in the SCAC, you're free to call it a "geographic mess," but the fact of the matter is it worked quite well for a couple of decades until it choked on its own success (too many teams, too far apart).   Whether a new SCAC can rise from the ashes to retain its geographic independence is a matter still very much in the balance, but that is the direction that has been announced.   

No one said based on athletic potential, so let's be very clear about that. A students' potential might include athletics, but is not BASED on athletics. Would a school be out of line to accept a exceptional drama student into the theater program, even if their GPA wasn't on par with the schools average? No, they would (should) look at what else the student offers.
If the schools want the balance they teach their students, then they'll see the advantage in students who WILL contribute to their school in things beyond the USAtoday rankings. D3 is about the COMPLETE student, correct? Further, absolutely NO ONE mentioned granting a student unfair acceptance because of athletics. The point, though, is that these schools are looking at numbers...not the person. That's lazy, not elite. I don't care if its art, athletics, academics, or anything else like that... ELITE schools will find the very best blend. Window dress that statement however you'd like... I believe all students should have a chance. The attitudes of these institutions in this matter, reflect their feelings on these types of "average" students, in general. This isn't the first time someone is saying these things on these boards.

"If you're not in the SCAC..." What makes someone "in" the SCAC? And what makes someone more in the SCAC? Have you played in it, or dealt with the week in and week out travel, while doing homework? Did you participate in loading/unloading of equipment after you bus arrived at 3am, from several of these trips? Did you do school work on buses coming back 12+ hours back and forth from games, and on the plane ride back from CC? You know anyone who struggled with school in season, because of the full weekends of travel, and teachers who didn't like athletes which in turn made their lives harder? Are you really implying that anyone in this room is less "in" the SCAC than another? It's a blog... it's here for opinion... it's here for FANS to exchange ideas. My thinking the SCAC is a mess is my opinion, and one I can support... I've been there.

My comment about the ASC/SCAC "trading" schools put academics aside. It was purely from a "this would be cool for football" moment. The Texas schools should have a league, and have the rest bring over/in schools like MC/LC/Huntingdon... D3 not losing UNO or Cent. Those are all regional teams to the former SCAC "east."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 15, 2011, 10:20:19 AM
McMurry going D2 is nuts in my view. They have a great chance to reverse that move and join up with the scac right now. I would guess the scac will offer some asc school's but i don't see them getting more than 6 or 7 school's in texas, which would mean 2-3 invites. I also could see centenary team up with the school's that left the scac rather than join the current scac. I don't see Mississippi or Louisiana college + hundington joining the scac either. My guess would the scac targets 2-3 naia school's who might move to d3 with a goal of reaching 10 members total.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: HelloGoodbye on June 15, 2011, 10:31:38 AM
McMurry would definately be a good call, but Mumme probably wants his hands on some scholarship type kids in Texas. When they brought him in, you knew they were serious about sports. I can't wait to see how they do.

You're right about LC/MC/Huntingdon, as they're not the same type of "academic" schools. Regionally, though, it would make for some good matchups with the teams that just left the SCAC. As for a Texas league, who wouldn't want to see Trinity, UMHB, and UMHS in the same conference? That would be awesome.

I'm a huge SCAC supporter, and I'm sad to see it come to this. I wish the schools could find another way, but alas, it is what it is. The SCAC as it's been has been a lot of fun, and very exciting in recent years. I hope all of the schools find their own balance, and continue to demonstrate success on AND off the field. It's a shame that some don't seem to want to necessarily do both.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 15, 2011, 10:44:16 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 14, 2011, 10:43:07 PM
Quote from: HelloGoodbye on June 14, 2011, 07:28:03 PM

Isn't the point of D3 athletics, to demonstrate the meaning of STUDENT-athlete? What is wrong with accepting students who don't fit the schools scholastic, economic, and (bbking might argue ethnic) portfolio. Would these presidents not agree that the mission of D3 athletics to mold men and women of BALANCE? Where is the balance within these institutions? Are they concerned that they're not able to educate students with average high school scores? I could write an entire blog on reasons students can perform much higher than their high school scores suggest, if given the right guidance and motivation.

Admitting a student-athlete on the basis of athletic potential over academic qualifications - and let's face it, that is your basic premise, window dressing aside - is a pretty basic violation of NCAA Division III policy, is it not?  Especially since those student-athletes would probably also need substantial financial aid to pay the piper, and granting aid disproportionately to student-athletes for whatever reason IS a huge no-no that the NCAA will seek out and has been paying more attention to as of late.   

Folks, if you're not in the SCAC, you're free to call it a "geographic mess," but the fact of the matter is it worked quite well for a couple of decades until it choked on its own success (too many teams, too far apart).   Whether a new SCAC can rise from the ashes to retain its geographic independence is a matter still very much in the balance, but that is the direction that has been announced.   
Well, by comparison, the UAA is a "geographic mess," but ... even without doing my research, I'd be willing to bet the eight UAA schools have a lot healthier endowments and resources to support this kind of far-flung travel than did most of the pre-exodus SCAC schools.  Would you agree?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
Quote from: hasanova on June 15, 2011, 10:44:16 AM
Well, by comparison, the UAA is a "geographic mess," but ... even without doing my research, I'd be willing to bet the eight UAA schools have a lot healthier endowments and resources to support this kind of far-flung travel than did most of the pre-exodus SCAC schools.  Would you agree?
Most definitely.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 15, 2011, 11:46:53 AM
Article in the Chattanooga Times-Free Press with comments from Sewanee's AD about the conference break-up:
http://goo.gl/k10f9

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2011, 11:51:37 AM
Quote from: cush on June 15, 2011, 10:20:19 AM
McMurry going D2 is nuts in my view. They have a great chance to reverse that move and join up with the scac right now. I would guess the scac will offer some asc school's but i don't see them getting more than 6 or 7 school's in texas, which would mean 2-3 invites. I also could see centenary team up with the school's that left the scac rather than join the current scac. I don't see Mississippi or Louisiana college + hundington joining the scac either. My guess would the scac targets 2-3 naia school's who might move to d3 with a goal of reaching 10 members total.  
The move to D2 was driven by the "academicians" in the administration and the board. One board member is a former faculty member at a SCAC institution.  In consulting with Cedric Dempsey, former president of the NCAA, Mr Dempsey showed the study committee numerous benefits to D-2 that would apply to us, including use of grants in aid, benefactor monies, access to recruiting clearninghouses, etc.

If/when that time comes, I will discuss them further.

One big factor that is hurting us in Texas is the drop in Tuition Equalization Grants (TEG) funding by the state legislature in the current economic crisis.  The move to D-2 should actually help us weather that loss of revenue better.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2011, 12:05:19 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 14, 2011, 12:01:57 PM
If we assume that the need to grow larger to maintain the AQ was one of the factors in the exapansion and the split, then what type of influence has that had on the school's decision to go with the CAC-East?

Ahem. The CAC-East is certainly that group of schools around D.C. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2011, 12:08:36 PM
Quote from: HelloGoodbye on June 15, 2011, 10:31:38 AM
McMurry would definately be a good call, but Mumme probably wants his hands on some scholarship type kids in Texas. When they brought him in, you knew they were serious about sports.

Moving an entire athletic department based on one journeyman head coach is not a good model for success. I am sure/I hope McMurry had other thoughts in mind.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BUBeaverFan on June 15, 2011, 12:59:30 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on June 15, 2011, 11:44:05 AM
Quote from: hasanova on June 15, 2011, 10:44:16 AM
Well, by comparison, the UAA is a "geographic mess," but ... even without doing my research, I'd be willing to bet the eight UAA schools have a lot healthier endowments and resources to support this kind of far-flung travel than did most of the pre-exodus SCAC schools.  Would you agree?
Most definitely.

Endowments - UAA
U Chicago 5.6 B
Emory 4.6 B
Wash U 4.4 B
NYU 2.3 B
Case 1.4 B
Rochester 1.3 B
Carnegie Mellon 815 M
Brandeis 620 M

Endowments - SCAC/CAC
Trinity 850 M
Colorado College 400 M
Sewanne 246 M
Rhodes 230 M
Southwestern 227 M
Centre 174 M
Hendrix 136 M
Austin 109 M
Birmingham Southern 73 M
Millsaps 71 M
Ogelthorpe 24 M

These numbers change from year to year and are reported differently based on how the question might be asked but this is a best guess based on a few sources I don't suspect they are too far off.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 15, 2011, 03:29:06 PM

A better measure would be spending on athletics.  This is what some of the schools in both the UAA and SCAC reported to the Dept. of Education as to the size of their athletic budget in FY2004:
$2,815,984   EMORY UNIVERSITY
$2,672,545   UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO
$2,020,993   SEWANEE: THE UNIVERSITY OF THE SOUTH
$2,284,407   CARNEGIE MELLON UNIVERSITY
$1,731,844   TRINITY UNIVERSITY
$1,548,055   RHODES COLLEGE
$1,345,324   CENTRE COLLEGE
$1,062,827   MILLSAPS COLLEGE
$1,002,365   CASE WESTERN RESERVE UNIVERSITY

(Data taken from DEd's OPE website, which is no longer available. BTW, if anyone has more recent data, please post a link. Thanks!)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2011, 03:47:39 PM
Here's a link:
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on June 15, 2011, 04:02:39 PM
Thanks for the UAA vs SCAC Endowment and athletic spending figures, BUBeaverFan and awadelewis.  Your collective efforts easily outstrip my laziness.  :)  +1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 15, 2011, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on June 15, 2011, 03:47:39 PM
Here's a link:
http://ope.ed.gov/athletics/
Thanks for the link.  I had an out of date link that no longer worked.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 16, 2011, 11:48:47 AM
It's great data. That's where we pull our enrollment numbers, as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 17, 2011, 08:09:55 PM
Final '10-'11 SCAC NACDA Directors' Cup standings (http://grfx.cstv.com/photos/schools/nacda/sports/directorscup/auto_pdf/d3confjune17.pdf):

1.  DePauw - 419.50, 33rd overall (to NCAC)
2.  Centre -  333.75,  45th (to "CAC")
3.  Trinity - 293.5, 53rd (to SCAC)
4.  Colorado College , 194.0, 95th (SCAC)
5.  Rhodes - 83.5, 193rd ("CAC")
6.  Southwestern - 82.0, 200th (SCAC)
7.  Oglethorpe - 65.25, 221st ("CAC")
8.  Sewanee - 64.00, 222nd ("CAC")
9.  Millsaps - 12.00, 316th ("CAC")
10.  Hendrix - 5.00, 320th ("CAC")

11.  Austin - 0.00 (SCAC)
12.  BSC - not eligible

Looks like the gap between the "have" and the "have nots" in the CAC is going to be at least as large as in the SCAC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: 33Belly on June 17, 2011, 11:31:23 PM
The only NAIA school in Texas that I could see joining the new SCAC would be Southwest Assemblies of God.  They are not going to be able to compete in the conference that they are in.  Texas College and newly started Wayland Baptist would not be good options for the SCAC from the NAIA ranks.  There is very little chance that Coach Mumme would go for McMurry stopping their plans to go DII to join the new SCAC, but he may not stay long there anyways.  Howard Payne or TLU would be the easiest to pick from the ASC.  TLU and Trinity have a natural rivalry and Howard Payne is not looking to compete like they did early in the 2000s.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 18, 2011, 11:47:10 AM
I don't think the scac needs any naia  from texas, they should be able to get to 6-7 texas school's by picking off a few ASC school's. Now the naia school they should really target is Oklahoma city university. If geography isn't a concern, they could also go after some NAIA school's like friends university in kansas, westminster college in utah, maybe some naia school's in Nebraska but of course geography will always be of some concern. Yet, the scac could go back to 12  if enough school's jumped. They probably should gameplan for 6-7 texas school's, colorado college, centenary with 1-2 other naia school's from adjoining states.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 20, 2011, 06:42:39 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 2011 Trinity Tiger Football)

2011 Dave Campbell's Texas Football
Trinity Tigers--Players to Watch

Offense
RB Patrick Granchelli
QB Nykolas McKissic
WR Riley Walker
WR Cory Scherr

Defense
LB Ben Robinson
DB Antonio Dubouse
DE Phillip Hiner-Leaman
DB Tyler Barrett

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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 20, 2011, 07:00:05 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Expanded UAA?)

2011 Sporting News Football
D3 Other Teams to Watch
Case Western Reserve---listed


2011 Lindy's Football
All D3 Team
2nd Team Offense
OG Tony Opperman  Sr.  Case Western Reserve

2nd Team Defense
LB Dan Polaneczky  Sr.  Chicago


2010 (W-L)
Chicago  (8-2)
Case Western Reserve  (8-2)
Washington (MO)  (7-3)
Carnegie Mellon  (4-6)


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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 20, 2011, 07:47:56 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Expanded UAA?)


2012 Expanded UAA (Proposed)
Austin
Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western Reserve
Chicago
DePauw
Emory
New York University
Rochester
Southwestern
Rochester
Washington (MO)

For Football (7)
Austin
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western Reserve
Chicago
DePauw
Trinity
Washington (MO)


For Other Sports
Eastern Group (6)
Brandeis
Carnegie Mellon
Case Western Reserve
Emory
New York University
Rochester

Western Group (6)
Austin
Chicago
DePauw
Southwestern
Trinity
Washington (MO)


                                                                         ???

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"That was a twelve, that was a twelve, that was a twelve!"
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Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on June 20, 2011, 09:52:45 PM
Interesting speculation; next to zero chance of happening.

DePauw unlikely to go anywhere without Wabash.

Isn't football travel alot of what doomed the SCAC?

Except for football (and to a lesser extend baseball) the UAA works well.

More likely scenario if UAA wants to compete for FB AQ is for the four schools to affilitate with other conferences (CWRU and CMU to NCAC or PAC  Chicago to MWC and WUStL to give NewCAC 7 or to fill out whatever Trinity and Austin can put together.  If the new conferences play only 7 conference games, the UAA round robin could be maintained.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on June 24, 2011, 04:10:25 PM
The main reason DePauw left was that they literally could not afford to travel that far anymore.  It's not necessarily that they didn't want to, they just couldn't.  Too big an expense in a expanding budget with a dwindling endowment.  They had already all but stopped flying places.

So they just aren't going to go the UAA.  It ain't happening.  NYU, Rochester, Brandeis in the other side and Trinity, Southwestern, and Austin in the same division?  No.

I doubt DePauw would go if Wabash went.  Plus, I think Wabash is happy being aligned with the Denison, Kenyon, & the rest of NCAC academic profile.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on June 27, 2011, 01:22:23 AM
The proposed UAA with former SCAC members won't happen simply because:

1) those proposed SCAC members aren't urban private research universities, of the sort currently found in the UAA, AND

2) aren't AAU members (the UAA is literally the only conference in the country that can boast of having EVERY member also be a UAA member; even the Ivy League falls sort of that because of Dartmouth).

The UAA schools consider each other to be their "peers."  They would likely not view Austin College, Trinity, Southwestern, etc. that way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on June 28, 2011, 12:20:21 AM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on June 27, 2011, 01:22:23 AM
The proposed UAA with former SCAC members won't happen simply because:

1) those proposed SCAC members aren't urban private research universities, of the sort currently found in the UAA, AND

2) aren't AAU members (the UAA is literally the only conference in the country that can boast of having EVERY member also be a UAA member; even the Ivy League falls sort of that because of Dartmouth).

The UAA schools consider each other to be their "peers."  They would likely not view Austin College, Trinity, Southwestern, etc. that way.

Actually the Big Ten is also all AAU members until Friday when Nebraska joins.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 28, 2011, 12:19:21 PM
Quote from: hickory_cornhusker on June 28, 2011, 12:20:21 AM
Quote from: JagranSpartan on June 27, 2011, 01:22:23 AM
The proposed UAA with former SCAC members won't happen simply because:

1) those proposed SCAC members aren't urban private research universities, of the sort currently found in the UAA, AND

2) aren't AAU members (the UAA is literally the only conference in the country that can boast of having EVERY member also be a UAA member; even the Ivy League falls sort of that because of Dartmouth).

The UAA schools consider each other to be their "peers."  They would likely not view Austin College, Trinity, Southwestern, etc. that way.

Actually the Big Ten is also all AAU members until Friday when Nebraska joins.

LOL, there goes the neighborhood...   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on June 29, 2011, 11:56:47 PM
... ;D lol
The SCAC is an old established conference. It seems that it will only get stronger if you build upon AC and Trinity in football programs. The coaches that are now in place have strong teams that will impact the field next year. It seems like to me that excellent academics coupled with excellent athletes that choose to play D3 will equal success for any strong program that joins. I believe the wind is changing direction and it will be for the better in the long run.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 30, 2011, 04:22:53 PM
No surprise here, but according to this d3sports.com story (http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/06/seven-schools-explore-d3), the NCAA Membership Council approved Birmingham-Southern as an active member of D3.  The NCAA Management Council still needs to bless the move, which seems a formality.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on July 01, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
While much of the talk of late has been about what will happen in the 2012 season, there is still a 2011 season to be played.  Millsaps has 5 articles on their website giving a preview of their incoming freshman class.  Here's a link to the 5th article.  You can find links to the first 4 articles at the bottom of this article:

http://gomajors.com/news/2011/7/1/FB_0701113601.aspx

Also note that the stories were written by James Hill, the interim SID.  Many of you have heard him in action since he did the webcasts for football, basketball, baseball, and maybe a few other Millsaps sports last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etbu27 on July 01, 2011, 07:54:19 PM
I really like how frank took this conversation and I hate to do this now.

But do the 2 Kentucky schools that are applying for D3 play into the new SCAC? Somewhat geographically sensible? I know nothing about them academically though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 02, 2011, 12:07:05 AM
Quote from: etbu27 on July 01, 2011, 07:54:19 PM
I really like how frank took this conversation and I hate to do this now.

But do the 2 Kentucky schools that are applying for D3 play into the new SCAC? Somewhat geographically sensible? I know nothing about them academically though.

Consider that the μSCAC is currently based entirely in TX (and CO).   Don't know if they would immediately seek out two schools in KY that aren't fully committed to D3 yet.  From what I have read elsewhere the Georgetown KY move to D3 is questionable - many schools can and do drop out during the exploratory process.  

Georgetown KY accepts 84% of those who apply, 25/75 SATs are 990-1160.   Both are low compared to the μSCAC membership.  The majority of Georgetown KY applicants submit ACTs rather than SATs; 25/75 composites are 21-27.  

KY Wesleyan accepts 65% of those who apply; 25/75 SATs, 890-1070; 25/75 ACTs (majority), 19-24.

Another factor is endowments, which provide one measure of a school's ability to support D3 athletics in a geographically widespread conference (especially since athletic fundraising for D3 is very hard).  KY Wesleyan, $23.2M; Georgetown KY. $39M.  

So, to make a long story short, these two don't seem to be likely candidates in any fashion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on July 02, 2011, 08:50:41 AM
As for the 2 Kentucky school's, is it refering to them join the scac or the breakaway scac? I don't see the texas school's having any interest in them. Maybe the breakway scac might take one of them at most but centre might like being king of the hill in kentucky and not want any other school's from instate. Yet, going to 10 is probably the best # for a leauge, so i'm sure the breakaway and new/old scac will both target school's for expansion to get to 10, so who knows. I could see those 2 kentucky school's join the heartland bringing it to 12 members.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 02, 2011, 09:24:27 AM
I think you're right, cush.  That new conference needs to come up with a new name pronto ... too d*** confusing.

Given the comments from Cloyd (now withdrawn, apparently) that some μSCAC school(s) did not meet the standards of the breakaway schools, the same would apply to these two schools.  Gordon Mann put up the admission standards for the "CAC" schools in another thread and both of these lag them. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 02, 2011, 12:59:53 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 02, 2011, 12:07:05 AM
Quote from: etbu27 on July 01, 2011, 07:54:19 PM
I really like how frank took this conversation and I hate to do this now.

But do the 2 Kentucky schools that are applying for D3 play into the new SCAC? Somewhat geographically sensible? I know nothing about them academically though.

Consider that the μSCAC is currently based entirely in TX (and CO).   Don't know if they would immediately seek out two schools in KY that aren't fully committed to D3 yet.  From what I have read elsewhere the Georgetown KY move to D3 is questionable - many schools can and do drop out during the exploratory process.  

Georgetown KY accepts 84% of those who apply, 25/75 SATs are 990-1160.   Both are low compared to the μSCAC membership.  The majority of Georgetown KY applicants submit ACTs rather than SATs; 25/75 composites are 21-27.  

KY Wesleyan accepts 65% of those who apply; 25/75 SATs, 890-1070; 25/75 ACTs (majority), 19-24.

Another factor is endowments, which provide one measure of a school's ability to support D3 athletics in a geographically widespread conference (especially since athletic fundraising for D3 is very hard).  KY Wesleyan, $23.2M; Georgetown KY. $39M.  

So, to make a long story short, these two don't seem to be likely candidates in any fashion.
+1!

Thanks for the research.

You make a good case for those schools to end up somewhere other than the μSCAC.

I did not think that KWC was μSCAC material, but I thought that Georgetown might be in the next decade, by the time that they completed the probationary process, as early as summer 2016.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 02, 2011, 02:26:25 PM
I think SCAC and SECAC or SCAC and NEWCAC would work in the interim.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on July 02, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
It seems to me that the potential new KY teams would be a better fit as southern expansion of the HCAC, which has Transylvania in Lexington (no FB) and Mt St Joseph in Cincinnati.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on July 02, 2011, 05:03:11 PM
Quote from: frank_ezelle on July 01, 2011, 01:19:11 PM
While much of the talk of late has been about what will happen in the 2012 season, there is still a 2011 season to be played.  Millsaps has 5 articles on their website giving a preview of their incoming freshman class.  Here's a link to the 5th article.  You can find links to the first 4 articles at the bottom of this article:

http://gomajors.com/news/2011/7/1/FB_0701113601.aspx

Also note that the stories were written by James Hill, the interim SID.  Many of you have heard him in action since he did the webcasts for football, basketball, baseball, and maybe a few other Millsaps sports last year.

Here is the link for 2011 Austin College Football  players. Several chose D3 over D1 programs offered per Rivals.com and Scout.com
http://austincollegefootball.blogspot.com/

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on July 02, 2011, 05:06:04 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on July 02, 2011, 03:29:23 PM
It seems to me that the potential new KY teams would be a better fit as southern expansion of the HCAC, which has Transylvania in Lexington (no FB) and Mt St Joseph in Cincinnati.



+1 ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2011, 02:02:55 PM
Welcome to the boards, yaya67.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pmcbs on July 10, 2011, 07:35:53 AM
We have a son going to AC this fall. My concern is where are they going to fit for 2012 season. We picked AC for the academics, location and athletics. Had other offers but not of the academic caliber.  My hope they will find other schools within OK, Tx, AR, LA. Football is football the high academic schools should be able to compete with any other D3 school. Maybe im wrong about the status and prestige of the SCAC. I just want his football experience in college to be something that will carry on for the rest of his life just like the academic's. Guess i should say his name is Matt
big OL kid. 
   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 10, 2011, 08:49:01 AM
Quote from: pmcbs on July 10, 2011, 07:35:53 AM
We have a son going to AC this fall. My concern is where are they going to fit for 2012 season. We picked AC for the academics, location and athletics. Had other offers but not of the academic caliber.  My hope they will find other schools within OK, Tx, AR, LA. Football is football the high academic schools should be able to compete with any other D3 school. Maybe im wrong about the status and prestige of the SCAC. I just want his football experience in college to be something that will carry on for the rest of his life just like the academic's. Guess i should say his name is Matt
big OL kid. 
   

Welcome to the boards, pmcbs.

I think that you are stuck with what you have.

There just aren't any schools who share the "mission and vision" issues that the old SCAC wanted in this part of the country. AC and UDallas strove for a decade to get into the SCAC. The prime NAIA schools in Oklahoma will look at "scholarship model" D-II when they are ready to leave the NAIA.

Go to a list such as the US News and World Report list to see how few schools there are. When you pared the list of schools for your son's experience, you were looking at the potential candidates for a "new" conference.  Your assessment yielded a similar result to what the college presidents and their boards would get for assembling that new conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3hendrixpop50 on July 12, 2011, 01:03:41 AM
Ralph,  You need to watch the Texas Whatever Friday Night Lights TV Show.....It has all the elements of the dilemma that you are facing and your son.  I feel for you.  I have a daughter going to Hendrix next year playing basketball....many times we make the best decision we can in life and life changes things.  Keep Strong!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on July 12, 2011, 03:34:05 AM
Quote from: pmcbs on July 10, 2011, 07:35:53 AM
We have a son going to AC this fall. My concern is where are they going to fit for 2012 season. We picked AC for the academics, location and athletics. Had other offers but not of the academic caliber.  My hope they will find other schools within OK, Tx, AR, LA. Football is football the high academic schools should be able to compete with any other D3 school. Maybe im wrong about the status and prestige of the SCAC. I just want his football experience in college to be something that will carry on for the rest of his life just like the academic's. Guess i should say his name is Matt
big OL kid. 
   
It was a difficult decision and hopefully we did the right thing. Time is truth and doors will open. The coaches at AC say it will be stronger and I have to believe in them. My son is also coming in after many offers and choosing AC of several D1 program offers. The academics are incredible and the degree they will hold will carry them far in life, coupled together by good choices. I have seen your son play and he is a talented player that follows through on his hits and delivers the defense a hard blow. He has good feet and agility for a guy his size. He will do well!! I also want to congratulate you on his character as I saw him pick up opposing team members from the field after hard fought battles.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on July 12, 2011, 03:41:03 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 06, 2011, 02:02:55 PM
Welcome to the boards, yaya67.

Thank you Ralph! I am glad to be here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: pmcbs on July 12, 2011, 06:46:27 PM
yaya67   Thanks for the kind words.  I think we (parents & kids) collectively made the right decision. It should be a good year,  lots of talent in the 2015 class.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on July 18, 2011, 01:55:56 AM
Presidents and Athletic Directors of the remaining schools in the SCAC are holding a summit meeting in Dallas beginning August 1 to hold discussions on the future of the conference.  Hopefully some direction will be determined in these meetings.  Meanwhile, there are ongoing discussions with presidents, AD's and coaches being held on individual campuses and by phone in order to gather information and be ready to state positions in August.  As I understand it, the questions involved in determining the direction of the conference are exactly what has been described by knowledgeable people on this board.  Travel, similar academic standing and approaches made by other schools (both D3 and others) will be the focus of the talks.  

When my sources reveal any information that can be released to the public, I will try to let the this section of Post Patterns know.  Decisions must be made and acted on by January 1st to meet NCAA deadlines.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 18, 2011, 01:07:59 PM
Interesting to speculate on who might be invited to the party for the SCAC...

There are barely enough football schools in this part of the country to earn 1 AQ.

If you don't worry about the football AQ, then the other sports can fend for themselves.

Going from 5 to 8 is possbile when one adds 2-3 ASC schools.

Absolutely pure off-season speculation to follow...


TLU and Concordia come to mind first.  As a 3rd, I could imagine adding LeTU.  My 4th would be Centenary, when Colorado College reconsiders its role in an all Texas Conference.

That is a very compact conference, with the exception of Colorado College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on July 19, 2011, 06:00:03 PM
Haven't been following too closely, but there's an interesting write-up on D3Football.com's Daily Dose blog here:

http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/06/09/after-the-scac-shuffle-whats-next/

Seems a shame to see a great institution fade away like that ... nice pic of Pat Granchelli (#32) though!! 

Less than a month until Reporting Day ... and the "50 Test"  ;)

Go Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on July 23, 2011, 10:59:03 PM
Found out last weekend that Austin College is expecting 58 freshmen football players to show up this fall.  That would make well over 100 team members to start the season.  They also have three "JV" games scheduled.  Coach Dawson appears to be doing well in the recruiting numbers game!  They are also pretty pleased with the talent level and time will tell on this front!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2011, 03:18:56 PM
From SCACSports.com (http://www.scacsports.com): 

Former Major Michael Galatas Signs with the Saints - http://t.co/IvdxkiR

His 4.25 in the 40 at a camp turned some heads.   :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on July 31, 2011, 11:28:04 AM
If you want to see a student-athlete who really gets it...take a few minutes to watch Michigan State QB Kirk Cousins speak at the Big 10 Kickoff luncheon. Very impressive.


http://www.bigtennetwork.com/generic/sports/video?autostart=true&bcpid=60234638001&bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAEBQhU8~,kLn_EtefUBn-jd4QuQdKKKEE0M4y3HUj&bclid=0&bctid=1086521553001

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on July 31, 2011, 12:31:14 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on July 31, 2011, 11:28:04 AM
If you want to see a student-athlete who really gets it...take a few minutes to watch Michigan State QB Kirk Cousins speak at the Big 10 Kickoff luncheon. Very impressive.


http://www.bigtennetwork.com/generic/sports/video?autostart=true&bcpid=60234638001&bckey=AQ~~,AAAAAEBQhU8~,kLn_EtefUBn-jd4QuQdKKKEE0M4y3HUj&bclid=0&bctid=1086521553001


+1 ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on July 31, 2011, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: roocru on July 18, 2011, 01:55:56 AM
Presidents and Athletic Directors of the remaining schools in the SCAC are holding a summit meeting in Dallas beginning August 1 to hold discussions on the future of the conference.  Hopefully some direction will be determined in these meetings.  Meanwhile, there are ongoing discussions with presidents, AD's and coaches being held on individual campuses and by phone in order to gather information and be ready to state positions in August.  As I understand it, the questions involved in determining the direction of the conference are exactly what has been described by knowledgeable people on this board.  Travel, similar academic standing and approaches made by other schools (both D3 and others) will be the focus of the talks.  

When my sources reveal any information that can be released to the public, I will try to let the this section of Post Patterns know.  Decisions must be made and acted on by January 1st to meet NCAA deadlines.

Thanks! Any updates before they go into this summit meeting tomorrow?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on July 31, 2011, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: yaya67 on July 31, 2011, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: roocru on July 18, 2011, 01:55:56 AM
Presidents and Athletic Directors of the remaining schools in the SCAC are holding a summit meeting in Dallas beginning August 1 to hold discussions on the future of the conference.  Hopefully some direction will be determined in these meetings.  Meanwhile, there are ongoing discussions with presidents, AD's and coaches being held on individual campuses and by phone in order to gather information and be ready to state positions in August.  As I understand it, the questions involved in determining the direction of the conference are exactly what has been described by knowledgeable people on this board.  Travel, similar academic standing and approaches made by other schools (both D3 and others) will be the focus of the talks.  

When my sources reveal any information that can be released to the public, I will try to let the this section of Post Patterns know.  Decisions must be made and acted on by January 1st to meet NCAA deadlines.

Thanks! Any updates before they go into this summit meeting tomorrow?

I have not heard anything new concerning these meetings yet!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 01, 2011, 04:03:19 PM
Quote from: roocru on July 31, 2011, 09:20:41 PM
Quote from: yaya67 on July 31, 2011, 12:33:05 PM
Quote from: roocru on July 18, 2011, 01:55:56 AM
Presidents and Athletic Directors of the remaining schools in the SCAC are holding a summit meeting in Dallas beginning August 1 to hold discussions on the future of the conference.  Hopefully some direction will be determined in these meetings.  Meanwhile, there are ongoing discussions with presidents, AD's and coaches being held on individual campuses and by phone in order to gather information and be ready to state positions in August.  As I understand it, the questions involved in determining the direction of the conference are exactly what has been described by knowledgeable people on this board.  Travel, similar academic standing and approaches made by other schools (both D3 and others) will be the focus of the talks.  

When my sources reveal any information that can be released to the public, I will try to let the this section of Post Patterns know.  Decisions must be made and acted on by January 1st to meet NCAA deadlines.

Thanks! Any updates before they go into this summit meeting tomorrow?

I have not heard anything new concerning these meetings yet!

Meeting postponed!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 01, 2011, 06:02:44 PM
Quote from: roocru on August 01, 2011, 04:03:19 PM

Meeting postponed!

That leaves much open to speculation.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2011, 10:07:21 AM
The final season of the SCAC-as-we-know-it starts one month from today.   Truly hoping it's not the last time we'll be able to talk about a SCAC football season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 03, 2011, 04:23:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 03, 2011, 10:07:21 AM
The final season of the SCAC-as-we-know-it starts one month from today.   Truly hoping it's not the last time we'll be able to talk about a SCAC football season.
Me too, but football conferences have always evolved.  Anyone remember the old Southwest Conference (which once counted now DIII Southwestern plus, over time, the eight big Texas schools and Arkansas) or when the University of Chicago was in the Big Ten (no, I don't remember this one!)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on August 04, 2011, 05:52:59 AM
Sewanee an original member of the SEC! From 1933-41. (I too don't remember those days).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on August 04, 2011, 08:38:30 AM
Or Sewanee's Iron Men of 1899 with their 7 day train tour of the South with wins over Texas, Texas A&M, Tulane, LSU, and Ole Miss. The only team that was able to score points against that squad was an Auburn team coached by John Heisman.   Wikipedia link: http://goo.gl/07pgu

Lots of the history amongst the other SCAC teams as well... Centre, Rhodes, Millsaps, Trinity all have long standing football traditions.  Same goes for Southwestern, Oglethorpe, and the others not currently playing football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 04, 2011, 09:24:31 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 04, 2011, 05:52:59 AM
Sewanee an original member of the SEC! From 1933-41. (I too don't remember those days).

Washington & Lee was a member of the Southern Conference into the 1950s or so. One of their arch-rivals was West Virginia. [Unfortunately, I do remember those days.  :(]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on August 04, 2011, 09:26:21 AM
Any chance Oglethorpe might resurrect football?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 04, 2011, 09:36:41 AM
Quote from: awadelewis on August 04, 2011, 08:38:30 AM
Lots of the history amongst the other SCAC teams as well... Centre, Rhodes, Millsaps, Trinity all have long standing football traditions.  Same goes for Southwestern, Oglethorpe, and the others not currently playing football.

Whan I was a student at Trinity back in the Stone Age, they were attempting to go big-time in football. My senior year, 1956-57, the Tigers played Texas A&I, Texas Western (now UTEP), Mississippi Southern (now Southern Mississippi), North Texas, Abilene Christian, SE Louisiana, and Mississippi State. They also played TCU and McNeese State in the 1950s.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 12, 2011, 07:11:19 AM
Millsaps opened up football practice yesterday with 99 players which included 51 freshmen.  Unlike the teams under the DuBose era, I think the coaches are glad to be working with 100 or less instead of the 130 player rosters they once had.  It seems like the right mix would be to have about 40-45 upperclassmen each year and then a large group of freshmen that will eventually be whittled down to 15-20 by their senior year.

By the way, on the subject of SCAC teams once playing schools that are now powerhouses, the first Millsaps football team (sometime around 1900) went to New Orleans and lost to Tulane 30-0.  Then then travelled to Baton Rouge and lost to LSU 70-0.

However, in what was described in an 1905 article as the greatest game in Millsaps football history, Millsaps avenged that 70-0 drubbing by beating LSU 6-5 in a Thanksgiving day rematch in Jackson.  Apparently a TD was worth 5 points in the early days and Millsaps got the victory thanks to a converted extra point.

There is a "rest of the story".  This 1905 article goes on to say, "But athletics at Millsaps were overstepping the proper bounds in the estimation of the two Conferences, and at their next session resolutions were passed forbidding the College to indulge in inter collegiate games of any kind."  Such was the view of athletics back a little over 100 years ago.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 12, 2011, 08:10:29 AM
Thanks, Frank.

Please remember that the NCAA was created in 1910, in part, to provide the proper framework for intercollegiate athletics.

The decision by Millsaps was just one part of that discussion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hasanova on August 12, 2011, 09:15:28 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on August 12, 2011, 08:10:29 AM
Thanks, Frank.

Please remember that the NCAA was created in 1910, in part, to provide the proper framework for intercollegiate athletics.

The decision by Millsaps was just one part of that discussion.

I'm a Guilford grad and the records show the Quakers were the first head coaching win for one Paul "Bear" Bryant when he started his career at Maryland in the late 1940's - I don't have the record book in front of me, but 60-0 sounds about right.  Ouch!  lol
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on August 13, 2011, 03:00:59 AM
Any chance the SCAC cold merge w/ the Wash/Lee, Emory & Henry's of the world to form a multi division southern conference?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 13, 2011, 02:06:20 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Merge the ODAC and SCAC, why not?)

Shoreman,
7 ODACs + 5 SCACs=12 OSACs (really 9 for football, so no football divisions needed).
Will however need divisions for sports with 10+ schools.
Also, Trinity and Catholic in the same conference; I have absolutely no problem with it, what about Pat (just an "inside San Antonio referee" joke)?


                                                             ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on August 13, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
Looking at the D3 map a merger of those leagues makes sense for Sewanee & Centre, Birmingham southern. Not so good for Millsaps and Hendrix (if they ever get off the ground). In Sewanee's case its probably travel neutral. Could set up all other sports in East/West division format.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/NCAA_Division_3_football_map.gif
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on August 13, 2011, 06:06:02 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on August 13, 2011, 03:57:43 PM
Looking at the D3 map a merger of those leagues makes sense for Sewanee & Centre, Birmingham southern.
While I'd like to see it given Sewanee's long standing rivalry with W&L, I haven't heard anybody saying that the ODAC schools would be interested.   And if Hendrix follows through on their commitment to start football, then it just becomes a matter of convincing Berry to start playing FB in order for the new conference to eventually get AQ status. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on August 14, 2011, 11:16:54 PM
Sewanee Football 2011 Quick Facts

http://sewaneetigers.com/documents/2011/8/11/2011_FTB_QF.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 17, 2011, 11:53:31 AM
SCAC pre-season coaches' poll (http://bit.ly/pMjrXm) is out; Millsaps is the favorite.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 17, 2011, 11:56:04 AM
I just did a Q&A with W&L's coach for Kickoff and we talked about the longtime rivalry with Sewanee and Centre out of the old CAC and whether W&L was approached about joining the NEWSCAC. (Which is what I'm calling it until there's a name. And hopefully that name isn't CAC because there already is one in D-III.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on August 17, 2011, 01:29:36 PM
We could always do the same as what we did with the Northern Athletics Conference and refer to the new conference as "CAthCon." Another possibility is to hope the Capital Athletic Conference undergoes a rebranding effort and starts referring to themselves as "The Cap."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on August 17, 2011, 10:18:22 PM
so does W&L want to join up? i'd say 10 is the perfect number for a d3 league so i wouldn't be shocked if the breakaway group expanded sometime. Yet, travel issues make you wonder why W&L and the breakaway group would join up, maybe if 2 VA school's came aboard for travel partners?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on August 17, 2011, 10:53:22 PM
All of the ODAC schools would have a similar academic profile to the breakaway SCAC.  It would be nice if the two leages could at least form a football only alliance. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2011, 01:44:30 PM
Breakaway SCAC picks a name:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/08/new-southern-conference-picks-a-name
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 19, 2011, 02:56:16 PM
Better that than the Southern Athletic Division - that would have been SAD.  :-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 19, 2011, 04:09:55 PM
Here's a Trinitonian story (http://www.trinitonian.com/2011/08/19/first-year-football-players-adjust-well/) on the football program.  It primarily focuses on the new (47) first-year players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 19, 2011, 10:09:10 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 19, 2011, 01:44:30 PM
Breakaway SCAC picks a name:
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2011/08/new-southern-conference-picks-a-name

Link to the Southern Athletic Association website--the only content is the league's official release.  There's an icon to click at the bottom left of the website for that release.

Link:  http://www.saa-sports.com/splash/index
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on August 19, 2011, 10:11:57 PM
By the way, I like the new look of the SCAC website:  http://www.scacsports.com/landing/index
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jayhawkdaddy on August 20, 2011, 01:12:55 PM
I new on here and was just wondering if they are replacing the teams that are leaving to the SAA or are they doing away with SCAC football? Who will be left to play football? Thanks!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 21, 2011, 09:55:17 AM
Quote from: jayhawkdaddy on August 20, 2011, 01:12:55 PM
I new on here and was just wondering if they are replacing the teams that are leaving to the SAA or are they doing away with SCAC football? Who will be left to play football? Thanks!

Welcome, jayhawkdaddy.

The only go-forward SCAC teams with football programs are Trinity and Austin. Colorado used to offer football but killed it several years ago, Southwestern hasn't had it for 50+ years and has no interest or facilities; don't know about UDallas other than they don't have it. 

The conference has said they are seeking to add new teams, but speculation has been that finding enough football-playing teams to make a viable (e.g. NCAA Pool C eligible) conference is going to be a challenge.   They might be able to find enough schools to go the UAA route (only four conference schools offer football, so the UAA champion competes for one of the few Pool B bids) or might have to drop the sport altogether. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jayhawkdaddy on August 22, 2011, 06:19:36 PM
Thanks for the update RonB. Sure hope something can be worked out. D3 football without the SCAC just doesn't seem right!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 23, 2011, 01:22:04 PM
According to Kickoff (http://kickoff.d3football.com), Trinity started with over 110 players in camp this season, which if memory serves is a nice bump over the last year or two.   Lots of good stuff about D3 football in there (as you'd expect); if you haven't purchased a copy, you should.  :)

and because someone always says something, I haven't been involved w/Kickoff or the site for years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2011, 12:19:58 PM
Thanks for the updated board software, Pat .... looks very nice.

One of the new features is an ignore list, yay  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on August 25, 2011, 05:02:29 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 25, 2011, 12:19:58 PM
Thanks for the updated board software, Pat .... looks very nice.

One of the new features is an ignore list, yay  :)

I'll award a +1 for that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bleedpurple on August 26, 2011, 04:15:17 PM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2011 TOP 25 FAN POLL, PLEASE SEND ME A MESSAGE WITH YOUR CURRENT EMAIL ADDRESS. Now that Kickoff is out, I'd like to get our first poll out by the middle of next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2011, 03:19:45 PM
Couple of Trinity stories in today's SA E-N football season preview:

Trinity Tigers preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-Tigers-preview-2144251.php)
Jonathan Osei-Kuffour switches back to offense (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-star-switches-back-to-offense-2141416.php)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on August 28, 2011, 04:05:53 PM
Any Hurricane Irene damage on campuses. or disruption of practice schedules?

Any scrimmage reports?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on August 28, 2011, 04:43:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2011, 03:19:45 PM
Couple of Trinity stories in today's SA E-N football season preview:

Trinity Tigers preview (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-Tigers-preview-2144251.php)
Jonathan Osei-Kuffour switches back to offense (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-star-switches-back-to-offense-2141416.php)

The San Antonio Express-News has conceded that Trinity has competitive sports and is worthy of coverage?  What's next ... the Tigers will get as much ink as UIW and UTSA (though less than local high school athletics)?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2011, 07:57:08 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on August 28, 2011, 04:43:28 PM
The San Antonio Express-News has conceded that Trinity has competitive sports and is worthy of coverage?  What's next ... the Tigers will get as much ink as UIW and UTSA (though less than local high school athletics)?

Ha.  UIW got at least 3-4x the ink Trinity did last season and there have been plenty of long stories about UTSA fairly constantly since that program was announced.  They have a designated columnist whose sole job is covering UTSA, and a section of the website devoted to the school.  Today's 'college football preview' listed the entire UTSA roster, had a 'meet the Roadrunners' section featuring five players, had a story on nobody knowing what the year will bring, and the preview.   And lots of pictures. 

No doubt once the season rolls around it'll be back to the one paragraph, two sentence Trinity game "stories" for which the E-N is famous, you know:  "In [city], Trinity [defeated/lost to] [opponent], [score].  The Tigers were led by [player], with [key statistic]."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2011, 10:07:10 AM
Trinity 2011 roster (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2011-12/roster) is up.  104 on the team this year; 17 seniors, 17 juniors, 26 sophomores, 44 first years.    9 OL's 6'0", 250 or better, most of those underclassmen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 31, 2011, 03:11:43 PM
Similarly, Austin College has its roster up as well. 102 players currently on the roster heading into the TLU game. To give an idea of how well they did recruiting some serious beef for the OL, Coach Dawson and the crew brought in 11 OL, 10 of which are 6-0 or taller and 9 of which are 247 or heavier. There are also 5 QB's on the roster, the smallest of which is starter Travis Zambiasi at 5-11, 190. The other QB's are 6-6 208, 6-1 180, 6-3 185 and 6-2 186.

Overall one of the biggest rosters in recent memory in terms of both the number of players as well as the SIZE of the players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on August 31, 2011, 04:05:46 PM
Quote from: jekelish on August 31, 2011, 03:11:43 PM
Similarly, Austin College has its roster up as well. 102 players currently on the roster heading into the TLU game. To give an idea of how well they did recruiting some serious beef for the OL, Coach Dawson and the crew brought in 11 OL, 10 of which are 6-0 or taller and 9 of which are 247 or heavier. There are also 5 QB's on the roster, the smallest of which is starter Travis Zambiasi at 5-11, 190. The other QB's are 6-6 208, 6-1 180, 6-3 185 and 6-2 186.

Overall one of the biggest rosters in recent memory in terms of both the number of players as well as the SIZE of the players.

Think this team is going to turn heads this season and I agree that Dawson and his staff did an amazing job recruiting. FYI: Update on SCAC and next season...this is the first article in which someone actually placed AC and Trinity as Independents after this season. I included the link...thoughts anyone???????

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2011/welcome-to-the-2011-season

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RooFootballFan27 on August 31, 2011, 05:35:53 PM
I too believe there will be some heads turning to see what Austin College brings on game day!  ;)

Of course I am a little jaded being a Roo fan and all. I just know some of the talent they have acquired - how they
use it is yet to be seen.  ;D ;D

I AM READY FOR GAME DAY! 

BRING IT ON!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 31, 2011, 05:53:19 PM
I noticed that Trinity P Kyle Trella wasn't on the roster earlier ... he is now, and a few others (including some OL :) ) have been added to bring the total to 109.

Austin could be one of many interesting stories in the SCAC this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
Quote from: yaya67 on August 31, 2011, 04:05:46 PM
Think this team is going to turn heads this season and I agree that Dawson and his staff did an amazing job recruiting. FYI: Update on SCAC and next season...this is the first article in which someone actually placed AC and Trinity as Independents after this season. I included the link...thoughts anyone???????

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2011/welcome-to-the-2011-season

The SCAC doesn't have enough football programs in 2012 to be called a conference under NCAA standards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on August 31, 2011, 11:50:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 31, 2011, 09:54:46 PM
Quote from: yaya67 on August 31, 2011, 04:05:46 PM
Think this team is going to turn heads this season and I agree that Dawson and his staff did an amazing job recruiting. FYI: Update on SCAC and next season...this is the first article in which someone actually placed AC and Trinity as Independents after this season. I included the link...thoughts anyone???????

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2011/welcome-to-the-2011-season

The SCAC doesn't have enough football programs in 2012 to be called a conference under NCAA standards.

Hi Pat...Do you think they will stay independent or find football teams to join or go find another conference? Quite a situation for next season. Thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2011, 12:14:44 AM
I really don't know where they find five teams to join and get the automatic bid back. Just getting the three they need (or is it two? not sure) to remain a conference in the eyes of the NCAA is problematic.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 01, 2011, 01:21:43 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2011, 12:14:44 AM
I really don't know where they find five teams to join and get the automatic bid back. Just getting the three they need (or is it two? not sure) to remain a conference in the eyes of the NCAA is problematic.
Respectfully, I think that a conference can remain a conference at 6 teams, e.g., the Presidents AC back in the last decade.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2011, 01:28:16 AM
They can remain one at six. They can remain one at five. What I am not sure about is if they can remain one at four, if you follow my math.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 01, 2011, 08:56:56 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2011, 01:28:16 AM
They can remain one at six. They can remain one at five. What I am not sure about is if they can remain one at four, if you follow my math.

I'll be sharing my conversation with Coach Mohr this summer in the next couple of weeks in Around the South.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: hickory_cornhusker on September 01, 2011, 03:20:48 PM
Pat or anyone who might know the answer,

The clock is ticking for the SCAC to have more teams in time to avoid having to play as a 2 team "conference."

Hypothetically, what would happen if they had to play a season at 2 teams but would have 7 the next season (I have no clue how they would get to 7 but let's say they did). Would they A) hold onto to the Pool A for the year they only have 2 teams, B) forfeit the Pool A that year but regain it the following year when they would get to 7 teams or C) would they have to reapply for Pool A and have to go through the 2 year waiting period?

We've seen where a conference dipped below 7 and got back above before the grace period is up but they always maintained enough teams to have a legitimate champion. What happens when a conference doesn't have enough teams to truly crown a champion but will have 7 before the grace period is up?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 01, 2011, 04:03:25 PM
Great question. This is pretty unprecedented in Division III so there's not much for me to draw from. But having dropped below the four core members necessary suggests to me they would have to start over.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on September 02, 2011, 01:17:40 PM
More SCAC/SAA info in the TU paper.

http://www.trinitonian.com/2011/09/02/scac-faces-big-changes-in-2012/

Looks like they will continue to play football together for one more year.  Which begs the question, why don't they simply continue that agreement?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2011, 08:52:30 AM
Who will earn what may be the SCAC's last-ever Pool A bid?

Austin: 3 (13%)
Birmingham-Southern: 6 (26.1%)
Centre:  4 (17.4%)
Millsaps:  7 (30.4%)
Sewanee:  0 (0%)
Rhodes:  1 (4.3%)
Trinity:  2 (8.7%)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2011, 12:45:04 PM
Quote from: Bmo on September 02, 2011, 01:17:40 PM
More SCAC/SAA info in the TU paper.

http://www.trinitonian.com/2011/09/02/scac-faces-big-changes-in-2012/

Looks like they will continue to play football together for one more year.  Which begs the question, why don't they simply continue that agreement?

Seems like the SAA wants nothing to do with Texas.  Football's the most expensive sport for travel, especially when you fly, and this would mean the SAA teams (except perhaps Hendrix who won't be ready in 2012) would have to each take a plane trip to Texas each year.  If the reason for breaking the conference up is $, the SAA can get in line for their Pool A bid when Hendrix' program kicks off in a year or two.

The question is do the SAA schools next year compete as associate members of the SCAC in football for a season so they can retain the bid? 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 03, 2011, 12:57:39 PM
The conference with the Pool A bid (the SCAC in this case) must have 4 core members that sponsor the sport.

For example, if the SCAC-leftovers add new full members, (e.g., 2 football playing schools TLU and HPU) in 2012, then that would satisfy the core requirement, and give a 10-team conference, 4 core SCAC teams and 6 SAA affiliates.

I think that the SAA teams are happy to be in Pool B, which will be Wesley, Huntingdon and Macalester in 2012.  It Trinity and Austin College are in Pool B in 2012, then there will be one Pool B bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 02:16:52 PM
Sewanee turns the ball over on downs on Earlham 1-yd, Quakers turn around and score on 89-yd pass.

7-0 Earlham at 5:23 1Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 02:24:39 PM
Sewanee scores on next series, misses extra point.  7-6 Ealham at 3:23 1Q.

B-SC - LaGrange  0-0 mid 1Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2011, 02:30:40 PM
Centre struggled early but has just taken an 8-7 lead at Hanover. 

That's a safety and two FGs for the Colonels.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 02:35:56 PM
B-SC 14 - LaGrange 7 at the half.

Two games running on-line and a D1 game on the TV. Don't think I'm going to get a lot of work done this afternoon. :-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 02:46:16 PM
Sewanee 12 - Earlham 7.

Second missed XP of the game for Sewanee.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2011, 02:46:33 PM
Centre gets a 23 yard pass from Ostermann to Pinque and leads 15-7 with 57 seconds left in the first half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 02:49:24 PM
B-SC still leading LaGrange 14-7, middle 3Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 02:59:45 PM
B-SC scores a TD on LaGrange.  B-SC 21-7 7:49 3Q.

On the Mountain, still 12-7 Sewanee with about 3 minutes left in the 1st H.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 03:18:18 PM
B-SC 21 - LaGrange 7, end 3Q.

B-SC dominating the game stats.  LaGrange still showing some life, tho' with interception early in 4Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2011, 03:23:40 PM
Centre now up 21-7 over Hanover as the second half starts.  The Colonels have totally shut down the Hanover rushing attack (-1 yd so far).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 03:25:59 PM
B-SC scores on a pic-6... B-SC 28 - LaGrange 7,  mid 4thQ.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 03:45:56 PM
Sewanee scores after fumble recovery, score now Sewanee 19 - Earlham 7 w/ 5:59 left in the 3rdQ.

Bunch of nice plays watching the Tigers run the Flexbone.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 03:54:05 PM
And we have a final as B-SC defeats LaGrange 28-7.  Solid performance from B-SC as they dominate the game stats.

Sewanee's defense starting to push around Earlham a bit as Earlham turns over the ball on downs in their territory.   Tigers turn it into a TD and now lead the game 26-7 w/ 1:41 left in the 3rd Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2011, 04:02:03 PM
Looks like a nice W for Sewanee.  B-SC you expect to do well, but going to be a nice win for the kids on the Mountain.

Centre is now up 31-15 on Hanover early in the fourth. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 04:13:31 PM
Our guys are getting sloppy in the fourth.   Turnovers for both teams, Earlham driving middle 4thQ.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 04:20:30 PM
Sewanee's defense tighten's up and holds Earlham to a FG.  Score now Sewanee 26 - Earlham 10 with 9 minutes left in the game.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 04:29:59 PM
Sewanee 32 - Earlham 10. 5:06 4th.

Sewanee scores on a drive after interception.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 03, 2011, 04:41:52 PM
And it's a final on the Mountain as Sewanee beats Earlham 32-10.

Agreed, nice win for Sewanee.  Saw better play out of our offense running the Flexbone and got good defensive play against run.    Secondary is going to struggle again this year against the pass.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2011, 10:16:09 PM
After being tied at the half, Trinity holds Howard Payne scoreless to win 24-7.  Was not able to watch any of it, unfortunately. 

Desmond King had 91 yds on 14 carries to lead the Tigers; Nyk McKissic was 10-15 for 154 yards and a TD to Jon Osei-Kuffour (60 yds on three receptions).  Von'Darrick Jones had a 78-yard pick six for Trinity.   

Howard Payne was outgained by a 288-135 margin.  Trinity's Nick Darling led all defenders with 15 tackles (six solo, two for loss), forcing two fumbles along the way. 

EDIT:  Here's the Brownwood Bulletin's game writeup (http://www.brownwoodtx.com/sports/college/article_70116bf4-d6b0-11e0-8fc6-001cc4c002e0.html).   The SAEN provided, as expected, a two sentence 'story.' 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on September 04, 2011, 04:33:39 PM
Good win for the Tigers.  Sounds like a workman like effort on offense and taking advantage of opportunities on defense.  The game against TLU should be interesting.  Hopefully having them at home will help.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on September 04, 2011, 05:10:17 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2011, 10:16:09 PM
The SAEN provided, as expected, a two sentence 'story.'

With two scholarship programs now in San Antonio, Trinity should be lucky even to have a score posted. As far as the San Antonio Express-News is concerned, if you don't "pay" people to play, you're not worth much ink.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on September 04, 2011, 10:50:56 PM
Great W for Tigers their first home win since 2008. Best of luck vs. W & L!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2011, 09:41:55 AM
SCAC Players of the Week (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/potw):

Defensive:  Nick Darling, junior LB, Trinity:  15 tackles (6 solo, 2 for loss), 2 forced fumbles
Offensive:  Shawn Morris, junior RB, Birmingham-Southern:  193 yds, 2 TD on 15 carries (with school-record 88-yard TD run)
Special Teams:  Jordan Kay, junior P/K, Centre:  5 FG, 43.8-yard punting average with three inside 20


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2011, 09:54:41 AM
Holy moly, the SAEN actually did a nice writeup on Nick Darling (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-s-Darling-back-with-a-vengeance-2160166.php) today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 09, 2011, 12:21:04 AM
Darling will have a much tougher time this week . The TLU offensive line looked great last week as they rolled up over 300 yards rushing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2011, 02:28:27 PM
W&L 17 - Sewanee 0, start of 2nd half

In the other early game:
Washington (Mo) 7 - Rhodes 0 , 5:00 IQ

No scores reported yet from Millsaps - LaGrange & B-SC - Huntingdon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2011, 03:09:40 PM
W&L starting to put it onto Sewanee late in the game, leading 31-7 with 7:17 in the 4Q.

WashU up 31-7 over Rhodes approaching the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 10, 2011, 03:26:14 PM
And a final from Lexington, VA as W&L beats Sewanee, 31-14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 04:40:21 PM
Huntingdon scored with under a minute left and leads BSC 28-22, Panthers have 72 yards to go. 
Millsaps defeated LaGrange 24-7.

Panthers on Huntingdon 41 with 0:11.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 04:45:03 PM
Make that 29-22  - important since Stainback completed a 41-yard TD pass to Sherill with no time on the clock to trail 29-28.

Offsetting unsportsmanlike penalities before the PAT (or 2PAT).  Huntingdon calls time out so maybe the Panthers are going for two. 

Nope, 1PAT is good.   Overtime in Alabama!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 04:52:34 PM
Stainback's first offering in OT is picked off.

Huntingdon gains 1 yard on three plays, it'll be a 41-yd FGA ... which is wide left.  Talk about your wasted opportunity.  On to second overtime ... HC will have it first this time. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 04:59:40 PM
This time Huntingdon turns the ball over on its first play, three plays later  Shawn Morris scores from nine yards out, so the Panthers escape with a 35-29 win. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 07:21:18 PM
Trinity 14, TLU 0, 4:28 1st.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 07:31:08 PM
20-0 Trinity after a 40-yard pass from McKissick to Ossi-K... 1:18 1st.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 07:57:47 PM
Trinity leads TLU 27-0, 5 minutes to half. Bulldogs have just made a QB change and have their best drive of the day going.  9 yards total offense before  this one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 08:10:32 PM
27-0 at half.  Total yards:  TU 238, TLU 29.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 08:33:57 PM
Trinity drives 70 yards after second half kickoff to increase their lead to 34-0 over TLU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 08:41:13 PM
and TLU answers with a 60-plus yard drive of their own to close it to 34-7 with 9:47 left in the third.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 08:52:31 PM
Patrick Granchelli scores from 16 yards out.  Trinity 41, TLU 7_ 3:48 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 09:22:34 PM
Subs in for some time and it's gotten sloppy.  TLU's JV gets a TD on Trinity's JV, 41-14 with 5:40 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 10, 2011, 09:28:19 PM
Quite a turnaround from last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 10, 2011, 09:29:44 PM
43-14 after a Kyle Trella  punt pinned down TLU and a big sack.

Last year's score: TLU 42, Trinity 14. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 10, 2011, 09:49:14 PM
So ETBU is up 37-3 over AC early in the third quarter. My question is:

Is ETBU that good, or is AC just playing that poorly? Losing all four starters from the defensive backfield is apparently a bigger deal than I had previously thought it might be.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 10, 2011, 09:54:56 PM
Any word on the Millsaps quarterback?  It looks like they had to go with the next guy this afternoon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on September 11, 2011, 10:50:49 AM
Quote from: jekelish on September 10, 2011, 09:49:14 PM
So ETBU is up 37-3 over AC early in the third quarter. My question is:

Is ETBU that good, or is AC just playing that poorly? Losing all four starters from the defensive backfield is apparently a bigger deal than I had previously thought it might be.

Final was 54-17 From what I read new life of AC came from new blood at end of game. ETBU is good and has key players that raise level of the game. They play as a "winning" unit that goes into battle to WIN. They are hungry and imo that is what you are seeing.
AC on the other hand has problems. You have a team divided by two sets of recruiting coaches. Upper classman and lower classman with two distinct different mentalities. All you have to do is follow the upperclassman on twitter and fb to hear their thoughts. They would rather be in their own beds, hate to travel and talking about old coaches. They have lost the game before they take the field. Heads are not wrapped around Dawson mentality though I am confident that Dawson staff has no idea. Actions speak louder than words and great coaches will see through facade.
On a lighter note, it was nice to see McMurry defeat UTSA. I don't buy into all the David and Gollieth hype. Just believe that on any given day, it is the team with the best 11 players on the field that will carry home a victory. Kudos for McMurry men that went into the battle hungry and played to WIN
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Navidad on September 11, 2011, 08:32:13 PM
At mid-season last year, I posted some stats that seemed to show a direct correlation between simply the number of seniors on a team (not senior starters, just total seniors) and SCAC win-loss records. I had noticed this to be a fairly useful stat for predicting the success of high school teams, and had wondered how effective it might be at this level. I'm a little late with an update for the SCAC, since the season has already begun, but I thought I'd provide this stat here and thereby predict the outcome of the conference. Several teams in the middle of the pack have the same or almost the same number of seniors, so that gums up things a bit, but overall the results are quite different than pre-season polls I've seen. We shall see ...

1. Centre (19 seniors)
2. Trinity (17 seniors)
3. Sewanee (13 seniors)
4. Austin -- tie (12 seniors)
4. Birmingham-Southern -- tie (12 seniors)
6. Rhodes -- (9 seniors)
7. Millsaps -- (8 seniors)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on September 11, 2011, 08:46:55 PM
Quote from: Navidad on September 11, 2011, 08:32:13 PM
At mid-season last year, I posted some stats that seemed to show a direct correlation between simply the number of seniors on a team (not senior starters, just total seniors) and SCAC win-loss records. I had noticed this to be a fairly useful stat for predicting the success of high school teams, and had wondered how effective it might be at this level. I'm a little late with an update for the SCAC, since the season has already begun, but I thought I'd provide this stat here and thereby predict the outcome of the conference. Several teams in the middle of the pack have the same or almost the same number of seniors, so that gums up things a bit, but overall the results are quite different than pre-season polls I've seen. We shall see ...

1. Centre (19 seniors)
2. Trinity (17 seniors)
3. Sewanee (13 seniors)
4. Austin -- tie (12 seniors)
4. Birmingham-Southern -- tie (12 seniors)
6. Rhodes -- (9 seniors)
7. Millsaps -- (8 seniors)
I like this method.  It usually represents squad size and physical/mental maturity.  These are important factors in winning over a season.  This may work for some leagues better than others.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2011, 12:30:15 PM
Just a few observations on Trinity having had the chance to see them in person last week, and with the realization that you shouldn't generalize too much based on a single observation:


All in all, a good start to the season, considerably better than last year, and one which gives me hope that the team can do better than the fourth predicted by SCAC coaches in the preseason.  The next two games (@Rhodes, @Millsaps) will tell us whether that indeed can be the case.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 12, 2011, 07:07:51 PM
Halftime score from Sherman! Austin JV  6. ETBU JV 13.  In Sherman for some alumni business and get to watch a good game. JV games are  great for these schools, kids and parents.  I would guess the crowd at about 350 people. Obviously most are happy family  getting to watch their sons, grandsons, etc  play their first college football games. Way to go AC and ETBU!!

I have to leave in about an hour to drive home so will be unable to post a final score.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: yaya67 on September 13, 2011, 12:29:53 AM
Quote from: roocru on September 12, 2011, 07:07:51 PM
Halftime score from Sherman! Austin JV  6. ETBU JV 13.  In Sherman for some alumni business and get to watch a good game. JV games are  great for these schools, kids and parents.  I would guess the crowd at about 350 people. Obviously most are happy family  getting to watch their sons, grandsons, etc  play their first college football games. Way to go AC and ETBU!!

I have to leave in about an hour to drive home so will be unable to post a final score.
Final Score AC 20 ETBU 19 AC Defense Held ETBU all night(most ETBU points were Field Goals) and caused numerous turnovers, giving offense ability and opportunity to score in final minutes. Defense secured win and sacked QB to stop hail mary play in final seconds. Exciting game! Austin college finished the game with a Winning Passion that any program would have been proud of.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2011, 05:49:20 PM
Lordy this board is quiet since our friends from DPU left. 

Last week's players of the week:
- Defensive:  Andrew Shannon (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/potw/2011-12/week2_defensive), Birmingham-Southern College
- Offensive:  Jimmy Stainback (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/potw/2011-12/week2_offensive), Birmingham-Southern College
- Special Teams:  Kyle Trella (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/potw/2011-12/week2_specialteams), Trinity University

We kick off SCAC conference play this week as Trinity (2-0) makes what could be the last trip in a long time to Memphis to face Rhodes (0-1).    I expect Trinity to win the battle of felines based on results to date, but strange things can happen to the Tigers when they visit Tennessee.   Other games:

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2011, 12:17:49 AM
Jason Bowen gives us a great ATR (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/index) focusing on the situation facing Trinity and Austin next year - primarily via interview with TU coach Steve Mohr.   It covers some of the scenarios talked about on the boards over the off-season ... going it on their own, the possibility of joining the ASC, ASC teams possibly joining the SCAC, aligning with the UAA, and more - well worth your time.   Well worth the wait - thank you, Jason!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 16, 2011, 12:50:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2011, 12:17:49 AM
Jason Bowen gives us a great ATR (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/index) focusing on the situation facing Trinity and Austin next year - primarily via interview with TU coach Steve Mohr.   It covers some of the scenarios talked about on the boards over the off-season ... going it on their own, the possibility of joining the ASC, ASC teams possibly joining the SCAC, aligning with the UAA, and more - well worth your time.   Well worth the wait - thank you, Jason!!

Thanks you forreading, I appreciated the candor of coach Mohr and the rest of the SCAC coaches. They were all class acts and pleasure to talk to.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 02:29:50 PM
Trinity up 10-0 on Rhodes late in 1st.  Trinity 123 yards, Rhodes 10 so far. 

Austin has just tied SAGU, 7-7, early in second. 

Edit:  Desmond King goes 65 yards to make it 17-0 with 3 minutes left in the first. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 17, 2011, 02:50:38 PM
AC 13. SWAG 7. AC pat blocked. SWAG comes back and scores on pass play. Now 14-13 SWAG.  6:53 IN 2nd Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 03:08:55 PM
Ben Robinson returns an interception 62 yards to the Rhodes 10, Desmond King scores on the next play, it's now Trinity 27, Rhodes 0 with about two minutes left in the first half. 

Big stop for the 'Roos as they get a sack and recover the ensuing fumble after SAGU had driven to the ten. 

Edit:  Trinity holds Rhodes again, go 55 yds in three plays culminating in a 30-yd McKissic to Kattner TD pass to lead 34-0 at the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 03:54:00 PM
SAGU returns a fumble 60-odd yards to take a 21-13 lead at Austin.

Trinity recovers a fumble on Rhodes' opening drive, take it 40 yards and score when Nyk McKissick hits Mason Lytal from seven yards out.  41-0 in Memphis.  I'd say the new defensive coordinator has earned his paycheck so far this season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 17, 2011, 03:59:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 03:54:00 PM
SAGU returns a fumble 60-odd yards to take a 21-13 lead at Austin.

Trinity recovers a fumble on Rhodes' opening drive, take it 40 yards and score when Nyk McKissick hits Mason Lytal from seven yards out.  41-0 in Memphis.  I'd say the new defensive coordinator has earned his paycheck so far this season!

So called fumble was an incoplete forward pass in the flat that no official blew whistle on. Chalk that score up to the zebras.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 04:02:59 PM
Sorry to hear that, roocru.   >:(

Backups are in the game at Memphis, QB Justin Adler goes 2-2 and then scores from 32 out to increase the lead to 48-0.   

Edit: and after an intecerception by Jai Boatman, Adler score again, this time from 33 out.  55-0, 4:11 to play in 3rd. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 04:19:57 PM
62-0 Trinity after Adler finds Hix from eight yards out on the second play of the 4th quarter.    Rhodes had a 4th and 1 at midfield but were stopped for a loss.

SAGU gets another score and lead AC 28-13 with time starting to be a factor in there.

Puget Sound up 3-0 on Sewanee, who failed to convert a fourth-and-short in Logger territory. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 04:46:25 PM
Brett Stoops saves the Lynx from the goose egg, throwing a 20-yd pass (and 7-8 for 78 overall), so your final from Memphis is 62-7.  Trinity had over 500 yards on the day and held Rhodes to 205 (nearly half of that thanks to Mr. Stoops' late game effort). 

Tough luck for AC as turnovers continue to lead to points for SAGU.  35-13 with a few seconds left.

Sewanee gets a TD and trails 10-7 despite turning the ball over on downs twice in Logger territory.   UPS just partially blocked a punt and have great field position inside the 30.  EDIT:  Sewanee gets an INT at the goal line and return it out to the 25 or so. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on September 17, 2011, 05:08:27 PM
I'm happy to see Trinity off to a good start this year.  I know they haven't hit the meat of the schedule yet, but there's something to be said for building confidence and momentum early in the season.  Sounds like a fun team to watch so far.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 05:15:21 PM
Quote from: willystyle on September 17, 2011, 05:08:27 PM
I'm happy to see Trinity off to a good start this year.  I know they haven't hit the meat of the schedule yet, but there's something to be said for building confidence and momentum early in the season.  Sounds like a fun team to watch so far.

They're at Millsaps next week, Will - good to see them executing so much better on both sides of the ball than last year, when they went 1-2 against the same three teams.   They'll need to be at their best to defeat the Majors, but the potential is there.

Sewanee is surprising UPS, up 14-10 after blocking a UPS field goal attempt on the last play of the half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 17, 2011, 05:18:15 PM
Ron: Thanks for the updates on the Sewanee/UPS game.  Away from the office today and not able to get the UPS audio stream over 3G on my iPhone. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: smedindy on September 17, 2011, 06:17:03 PM
Just wanted to pop in here after my trip across to Naples (new FL resident in Boynton Beach) to see a D-3 game. BSC dominated Ave Maria in the trenches, which could be expected with Ave being a new program. But BSU looks like they definitely have talent and speed, and I think they'll do well in the conference this season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 07:21:15 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on September 17, 2011, 05:18:15 PM
Ron: Thanks for the updates on the Sewanee/UPS game.  Away from the office today and not able to get the UPS audio stream over 3G on my iPhone.

Sorry that I could not post more, but Sewanee score 20 3rd quarter points and won today, 34-23.  Congratulations!!

Quote from: smedindy on September 17, 2011, 06:17:03 PM
Just wanted to pop in here after my trip across to Naples (new FL resident in Boynton Beach) to see a D-3 game. BSC dominated Ave Maria in the trenches, which could be expected with Ave being a new program. But BSU looks like they definitely have talent and speed, and I think they'll do well in the conference this season.

Thanks for the update, Smed.  BSC is one of about four teams that will have a say in who will win the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 07:42:39 PM
Millsaps trailing Louisiana College 21-0 at half - wonder if they are playing their backup QB.

W&L scores first on Centre and holds the Colonels to a 3&out on their first series.  7-0 there, W&L has ball in Centre territory after a 17-yd punt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 08:03:00 PM
Millsaps now trailing 28-0.  QB Pinicioni (sp?) is struggling, 6-for-23 or something like that.

After one, Centre trailing W&L 14-0 but on 2 yd line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 08:24:50 PM
LC now up 42-0 on Millsaps.  Wow x2.

W&L up 21-7 on Centre and stopped Colonels on a fake punt in their own territory.   Really crappy weekend for the SCAC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 17, 2011, 08:37:44 PM
Centre is hanging in there, just pulled to within 21-14 of Wash And Lee
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 17, 2011, 09:39:35 PM
Nice comeback by Centre, tying it at 28. W&L driving.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2011, 10:20:43 PM
Centre salvages some pride for the SCAC with their 42-35 come-from-behind win.  W&Ls decision to punt on 4th and 5 with 3:40 left and only 1 time out remaining wasn't too smart in hindsight.

4 TDs for Scotton probably mean he'll be the OMVP this week, too. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 17, 2011, 10:43:54 PM
Nice pair of backs that the Colonels have.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 19, 2011, 10:29:38 AM
Millsaps played its starting QB. It was just a dominating performance by LC on both sides of the ball. The LC defense played very well, but the Majors did not help themselves by dropping quite a few balls. I think I counted 5 or 6 that should have been caught. While those catches might have led to a touchdown or two, they would not have significantly altered the outcome of the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2011, 05:57:05 PM
SCAC players-of-the week have been announced. 

Offensive:  MONTE SCOTTON, Centre:  134 yds on 18 carries and a school record-tying 4 rushing TDs.
Defensive:  BEN ROBINSON, Trinity:  Five tackles (4 solo) and a 62-yard interception return.
Special Teams:   GARRETT BIEL, Trinity:  14 total points on the day, including field goals of 28 and 37 yards.  His 8 PATs tied a school record.

View the SCAC Football Report (http://static.psbin.com/8/z/9enjz1mbzj5joo/091911footballupdate.pdf).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2011, 06:06:44 PM
I was a bit surprised that BSC did not nominate anyone this week after their 42-7 drubbing of (1st year) NAIA Ave Maria. 

There was what appeared to be a serious injury to one of the BSC players on the kickoff opening of the second half - a long stoppage in play followed by the player in question being taken off via ambulance.  I can't find anything about the young man's condition but hope that he recovers fully. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2011, 11:25:31 AM
I found the first part odd, but not the second. I don't think our voters are impressed by a drubbing of Rhodes and I'm not sure why coaches are. The AFCA voters don't generally seem to have a good handle on strength of schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2011, 03:28:12 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2011, 11:25:31 AM
I found the first part odd, but not the second. I don't think our voters are impressed by a drubbing of Rhodes and I'm not sure why coaches are. The AFCA voters don't generally seem to have a good handle on strength of schedule.

Was there an intervening message that has since been removed?  This doesn't seem to tie to my message, at least not the 'second part'.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2011, 04:38:14 PM
Yes -- someone asked if people found it odd that Trinity was No. 24 in the AFCA poll and got no votes in the D3football.com Top 25. Guess they couldn't stand behind their question.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 20, 2011, 09:19:05 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Ron's Reply #9187 and Reply #9188)

Ron, with all due respect, the Trinity Tigers have two players that wear jersey #4 (one plays on Offense and the other plays on Defense):

#4 Justin Adler  DB  SO  Sarasota, FL
#4 Mason Blaschke  QB  FR  Cuero, TX

Mason Blaschke (true freshman--Wow) is the current back-up QB. He is extremely talented both running and passing the football; check him out by entering "Mason Blaschke on Hudl" in Google (he is #10 in solid Green). I believe that he will make an excellent back-up for Nyk McKissic. The last Tiger QB that had BOTH his Rushing and Passing skills, at least to my recollection, would probably have been Les Obie, who only played two seasons  (1964 and 1965).


                                                                             :)


 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2011, 09:52:52 PM
I am guessing that Ron was either following a broadcast or live stats, either of which could have been confused by the dual number.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2011, 11:20:38 PM
Thanks for the correction, etg.  I was indeed following the live stats since I didn't care to fund Rhodes athletics.  Two impressive runs by the young man, that's for sure.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on September 22, 2011, 05:03:29 AM
BSC v. Sewanee on the mountain. Sewanee scrimmaged Lagrange while BSC played them in week 1. Any predictions?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2011, 06:51:22 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on September 22, 2011, 05:03:29 AM
BSC v. Sewanee on the mountain. Sewanee scrimmaged Lagrange while BSC played them in week 1. Any predictions?
BSC by at least 4 TD's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: AUKaz00 on September 22, 2011, 02:27:44 PM
Miracle in Mississippi getting some love over at Grantland (http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/4740/the-college-football-spectacular-week-4-preview).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 23, 2011, 05:23:44 PM
Must be ESPN's week to show some SCAC love, this from Page 2:

Sewanee, long lost member of the SEC (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/sewanee_long_lost_member_SEC)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 24, 2011, 10:56:25 AM
Great article...thanks for posting...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2011, 01:47:17 PM
I won't be able to post any updates today, so feel free.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 24, 2011, 03:01:36 PM
Sewanee 14 - B-SC 7,  at the half.

Trinity 10 - Millsaps 3, again just before the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 24, 2011, 03:26:27 PM
Centre 21 - Austin 0, 2Q

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 24, 2011, 03:40:02 PM
Sewanee scores again, making the score 21-7 over B-SC.

Haven't seen any updates from the Trinity-Millsaps game since the end of the 1st half.

Looks like Centre is having a pretty easy time with AC with the score still 21-0 in Centre's favor.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 24, 2011, 03:44:44 PM
Having problems with the stream, but looks like B-SC scores a defensive touchdown,  score now on the Mountain is UoS 21 - B-SC 14
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on September 24, 2011, 04:09:52 PM
Sewanee 21 BSC 21, BSC ball 6 mintes left in 4th
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 24, 2011, 04:10:16 PM
B-SC finally starts to wake-up and takes advantage of a key pass interference call,  score tied on the Mountain 21-21, middle of the 4Q.

Centre takes a 24-0 lead into the locker room at the half.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 24, 2011, 04:24:27 PM
B-SC scores with seconds left in the game, score now B-SC 28 - UoS 21 with 0:34 left in the game.   Lots of bad defensive penalties on Sewanee's part gives B-SC 14 points.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on September 24, 2011, 04:28:38 PM
tougteam.ed Sewanee h loss for a much improv
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on September 24, 2011, 04:35:02 PM
Tough loss for a much improved Sewanee team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 24, 2011, 04:37:27 PM
Too bad we couldn't hold it together in the 4Q.  Way too many mental lapses leading to penalities.

Looks like Trinity just beat Millsaps 10-3.

Last reported score on the Centre game was 24-0 Centre at the half.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2011, 11:13:32 AM
Thanks for the updates yesterday.  My brother had invited me to see the D1 FCS UT-San Antonio vs. Bacone football game, what a waste of time that was. Bacone is an NAIA D2 school with 1000 students that lost a couple of weeks ago to Sul Ross, one of the perennial dogs of the ASC.   According to the SA paper the 36K in attendance were more people than had attended Bacone games in the history of the program ...  but I digress  ;)

Even though Sewanee lost yesterday, it looks like the new coaching staff has really turned things around there in a very short period of time.   Should be another good game in San Antonio for two weeks and I intend to be there.

Trinity put in another good performance at Millsaps, somewhat marred by two missed field goals that are normally automatic for our PK.  16-3 would have looked better than 10-3, but they got a W against the Majors for the first time since 2007.   Another good game by the defense, limiting Millsaps on the road to under 200 yards and 1-for-12 on third down.   A 4-0 edge in turnovers (including two Tyler Barrett INTs) helped.  Trinity was held under 300 yards for the first time this year thanks to solid play from the Major D.    Patrick Granchelli gained 107 yards on 23 carries and Nyk McKissic was 11-19 for 141 yards and the game's only TD.

By starting off with 3 of 4 of their first games away, Trinity has a favorable schedule for the rest of the season, with home games against Sewanee, Huntingdon (non-conference), Birmingham-Southern, and Centre.  The only road games are in four weeks (at LaGrange) and the season ending-tilt at Austin College.

Centre was the only SCAC team to win a conference game at home yesterday with a dominating 45-0 win over reeling Austin College, outgaining the 'Roos 407-179.  AC turned the ball over five times with two promising drives halted via interceptions deep in Colonel territory.   Tyler Osterman went 15-21 for 187 yards and 2 TDs; RBs Scotten and Pinque combined for 125 yards and 3 TDs.   

The REAL puzzler yesterday was this:  Rhodes 24, DePauw 14.   You may remember from last week that senior Brett Stootes stepped in late against Trinity and drove them for their only score in the 62-7 debacle, going 7-for-8 in the process.  That was apparently enough to earn him the starting nod against DePauw, and he picked up where he left off last week, ending the day 29 of 46 for 342 yards and 2 TDs - making him the likely SCAC offensive POTW winner.  Both scoring passes were to Dane Wilson, including an 80-yard effort in the second quarter which gave the Lynx a lead they would never relinquish.  Last year's SCAC champion, temporarily independent DePauw dropped to 1-2 despite winning the turnover battle 4-2. 

Upcoming week:
EDIT:  Corrected DPU's record and updated prediction based on record.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on September 25, 2011, 01:54:32 PM
DePauw is 1-2, Ron.  They beat Rose-Hulman, lost to Allegheny & Rhodes. 

I do think your assessment is right, though.  If you can't beat Rhodes, you're in for a long day at home against Centre.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 25, 2011, 07:12:57 PM
Ron:
You're welcome.   Was a decent distraction from working on my dissertation.

The decision to hire Laurendine is starting to look better each week.  We'll end up surprising someone this season if the team can work through the discipline issues that led to so many penalties against B-SC.  The schedule doesn't help given we have to go both to San Antonio and Danville.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on September 27, 2011, 12:12:49 PM
Anyone have any insights on the Sewanee/Millsaps game this weekend?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on September 27, 2011, 12:22:07 PM
Ron, what do you think is going to happen with Trinity and Austin regarding conference affiliation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 27, 2011, 07:57:28 PM
Shoreman:
Hopefully the team that played in the first 3 quarters of the B-SC game shows up on Saturday.  If so, then we'll see a much more competitive game than what've we seen in the past few years.    They'll have to play a lot more disciplined than what they against B-SC as at least two of B-SC's scoring drives were preserved by some pretty dump personal foul penalties by our defense.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2011, 10:18:47 PM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on September 27, 2011, 12:22:07 PM
Ron, what do you think is going to happen with Trinity and Austin regarding conference affiliation.

Jason's ATS column a couple of weeks ago pretty accurately summarizes the situation.  He actually talked to several of the coaches so it's better than any speculation I could come up with.  Unless something crazy unusual happens (the UAA lowering their standards or teams from the west coast flocking to join the SCAC) it looks like Trinity and Austin may be cursed to go the independent route for a while. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ILVBB on September 28, 2011, 12:44:45 PM
The absense of a conference for Trinity and Austin will have a significant impact on their ability to piece together a schedule that is not significantly more costly than their current schedule. In that travel cost being the driver for most schools today; I see a huge impact by not being part of a conference. Who will they schedule? How much further will they have to travel to find teams to play? How do you piece together a schedule when all the teams in Texas play an ASC schedule?

For other sports the impact will be greater. For baseball you eliminate a good number of games from your conference schedule and then have to find other west region teams (Austin and Trinity are west region teams). Will they be willing to pony up and fly teams to the west coast? Will the schools back fundraising activities needed to cover additional cost of travel (Trinity shut down its parent based fundraising for baseball because they didn't want competition for fundraising)?

Being an independent in Texas is an expensive proposition. I suspect that UofDallas joined the SCAC to secure its schedule and to "fix" its travel costs. I see the breakup of the SCAC having enough financial impact that one or more of the residual schools looking to eliminate some sports to cut costs so that they can continue to fund sports that they see as integral to the schools financial well being.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: infielddad on September 28, 2011, 02:36:57 PM
ILVBB,
I think Ron was referring to the potential for Austin and Trinity to become independents for a while but only in football, not all sports.
Just today, Centenary announced it is moving its DIII affiliation to the SCAC from the ASC:

http://www.gocentenary.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205302887&DB_OEM_ID=17900

This brings the SCAC to 6 members for non-football.
I would fully expect the non-football sports will be fine in the SCAC and it will add at least one and maybe two more schools so it will retain the AQ spot without a significant change in operational costs. There may even be  an overall travel cost reduction when applied to all non-football sports since soccer, basketball and volleyball won't be going to Atlanta, Jackson, Memphis and/or Greencastle and baseball won't be required to travel to Memphis, Jackson and even Birmingham(although I still think(maybe hope?) Millsaps and Trinity baseball competition would continue OOC.)
Word is that improvements to the baseball field are also underway, including adding the needed improvements to host post season play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 28, 2011, 05:01:34 PM
The Centenary situation should not surprise us.

The SCAC needs one more member to switch by June 2014 to maintain their AQ's in the sports other than football.

It might be easier to find the 7th now (and maybe the 8th, too.)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2011, 08:21:12 PM
Quote from: infielddad on September 28, 2011, 02:36:57 PM
ILVBB,
I think Ron was referring to the potential for Austin and Trinity to become independents for a while but only in football, not all sports.

Yep, since this was a football board and the specific impact to TU and AC is only in those two sports, that was the question I was attempting to answer.

With Centenary joining, it would have made so much more sense for Hendrix to stay in the SCAC, but since Doctor Cloyd has a hate on for at least one school in the SCAC, that's not going to happen.    Pity. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 01:18:19 PM
Centre drives all the way to the DPU 1, but the Tiger defense holds Jonathan Pinque to no gain on 4th down.   No score with about 5 minutes left in the opening stanza.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 01:40:18 PM
DePauw's second fumble of the day is returned to their 7, and two plays later Tyler Ostermann takes it in to give the Colonels a 7-0 lead with 11:45 to play before the half.   The Tigers fumbled in Centre territory earlier but had gotten it back when the guy that had recovered the fumble turned it right back over during the return. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 01:54:23 PM
DPU turns back Centre again with a Steve Valdiserre INT in the end zone.  They had stopped Centre earlier but a personal foul kept the Colonels' drive alive.  Under five minutes before halftime in Greencastle.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 02:11:49 PM
Centre gets a 30-yd field goal from Gay as time runs out to take a 10-0 lead into the locker room at DePauw.

They're underway in Sherman, with B-SC taking an early lead on a 76-yard run from Shawn Morris.  The Panthers held the 'Roos on their first series and are driving on their second.

Edit:  Two TDs for Mr. Morris as it's now 14-0 BSC with 8:27 left in first quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 02:29:32 PM
Rhodes trails LaGrange late in the 1st, 7-0, after a Stoots INT led to a TD for LaGrange.  The Lynx drove to the LaG 3, but a holding penalty and sack pushed them out of field goal range, and a 4th down pass (from the 22) went incomplete. 

AC. trailing 14-0, is still searching for their initial first down as the first quarter draws towards a close.  Total yards:  BSC 170, AC 16.

Tyler Ostermann finds Rob Melillo for 45yds and a score to open the second half.  The Colonels lead DePauw 17-0.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 02:38:07 PM
Dane Wilson scores from the five to knot it up in Memphis.  Rhodes 7, LaGrange 7, 13:43 second.

B-SC extends their lead to 21-0 with Jimmy Stainback finding Sam Vermilyea from nine yards out.  Second quarter just underway in Sherman. 

DePauw gets on the board with a 31-yard field goal.  17-3 with 8:41 left in the third. 

SCAC_Sports says Millsaps 7, Sewanee 7 (9:52 2nd)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 01, 2011, 02:44:01 PM
Sewanee leads Millsaps 10-7 in the 2Q on the Mountain.  Millsaps attempted on on-side kick which went out of bounds.  Sewanee gets the ball on the Millsaps 40-yd lane.  Drive stalls inside the 20 and the Tigers kick the field goal.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 01, 2011, 02:52:06 PM
Fumble recovery for Sewanee turns into another field goal with about 6:00 left in the second.   Sewanee 13 - Millsaps 7 2Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 03:06:25 PM
Tyler Osterman injured per @DepauwAthletics, still 17-3 with Cody Nelson in at QB for the Colonels.

BSC eschews a field goal attempt, time runs out after a short pass completion with the Panthers at the AC11.  24-0 at the half.  Total yards BSC 375, AC 71.


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 01, 2011, 03:10:06 PM
Millsaps fails to convert the field goal after a stupid late hit penalty by the Sewanee defense moves them into field-goal range in waning seconds of 1st half

Sewanee 13 - Millsaps 7 End 1H.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 03:17:57 PM
Rhodes gives up a nine-yard TD pass on the last play of the first half, still leads LaGrange 21-14. 

Centre returns a DPU fumble 20 yards for a TD.  Centre 24, DPU 3, mid third.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 03:37:39 PM
Nelson still in at QB for Centre; he's pretty good at handing off.  Given who he has to hand off to, that's probably a good plan.   :)  Still 24-3 there, only a penalty stopped a methodical drive.

Shawn Morris scores again from 36 yards out to increase the lead in Sherman to 31-0.  Morris now 202 yards on ten carries. 

Edit:  Centre gets the ball back deep in Tigerland after another DPU turnover (their fourth).   Nelson carries twice, throws an incomplete pass, and the resulting field goal attempt is blocked. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 01, 2011, 03:40:46 PM
Millsaps with takes their first possession of the 2H into the end zone for the TD:  Millsaps 14 - Sewanee 13.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 03:48:11 PM
Looks like BSC is starting to sub in some of their bench with the game well in hand.   Still 31-0 in the third with seven minutes to play.

DPU finally holds on to the ball long enough to score a touchdown.   24-10 Centre with under a minute left.

Rhodes and LaGrange are knotted at 21, middle of the third quarter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 01, 2011, 03:49:36 PM
Sewanee answers on their next possession with a drive highlighted by a long play-action pass for completion.     Score now 20-14 Sewanee, middle 3Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 04:01:07 PM
A Brett Stoots pass is intercepted, LaGrange gets a 21-yard field goal to lead 24-21 with 1:40 left in the third.

AC gets on the board with a 37-yard field goal.  31-3 as the fourth quarter begins, and while BSC may be subbing in their backs, Jimmy Stainbeck is still in at QB. 

Stoots gets it right back, two passes to Jack Lartigue get the Lynx close, Chris Rose takes it in from one yard out, 28-24 early in the fourth.

BSC adds a 30 yard field goal.  34-3 over Austin, 11:36 left. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 01, 2011, 04:08:36 PM
Still Sewanee 20 - Millsaps 14 at the end of the 3q.  The Majors were driving until a personal foul penalty moves them back to the 21-yd line.  Starting the 4Q with Millsaps trying to push the ball into the end zone.

EDIT: Milsaps recovers from the penalty to push the ball into the end zone for a TD.  Majors take the lead 21-20, early in the 4Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 04:26:56 PM
AC gets a one-yard TD from Boyd and with time running down it's BSC 34, AC 10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 01, 2011, 04:37:45 PM
Millsaps puts together a long drive that runs out the clock to end the 4Q.

Millsaps 21 - Sewanee 20, Final

Another tough loss for the Tigers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 02, 2011, 11:09:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2011, 03:37:39 PM


Shawn Morris scores again from 36 yards out to increase the lead in Sherman to 31-0.  Morris now 202 yards on ten carries. 


I'm an Austin College guy, but I'll readily admit that 36 yard run was absolutely incredible. If this were a D1 game, it would have made the Top 10 on SportsCenter. Morris probably broke six or seven tackles and zig-zagged halfway across the field for the score. It was one of the most impressive runs I've seen in a long, long time at any level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 03, 2011, 12:04:37 AM
Let's get the video, folks, and get it nominated for Play of the Week!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 03, 2011, 10:59:16 PM
After just watching the replay on College TV Ticket, it doesn't look as impressive as it did live, but I'm telling you, that run was really great. The replay makes it look a lot easier than it looked in real time.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2011, 10:01:10 AM
Boy, we have a dead board.   :o   Players of the week:
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2011, 10:13:01 AM
A very light schedule this week:


Something unusual for both games:  rain is in the forecast for Texas (40% for Sherman, 50% for San Antonio).   The Texas kids haven't had much experience in wet conditions this year due to the ongoing drought, so things might get interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 06, 2011, 08:37:43 AM
Just emailed my column to Pat. I imagine it with be up within a couple of hours.This week the Sewanee Tigers are featured.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2011, 01:09:19 PM
Quote from: Conrad on October 06, 2011, 08:37:43 AM
Just emailed my column to Pat. I imagine it with be up within a couple of hours.This week the Sewanee Tigers are featured.

Thanks for the story on Sewanee, Jason.  You wonder if the short, crisp practices are contributing to their fourth quarter woes.

The SA Express-News has a decent story on Trinity QB Nyk McKissic (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-QB-benefits-from-offseason-homework-2204882.php) today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 06, 2011, 03:25:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 06, 2011, 01:09:19 PM
Quote from: Conrad on October 06, 2011, 08:37:43 AM
Just emailed my column to Pat. I imagine it with be up within a couple of hours.This week the Sewanee Tigers are featured.

Thanks for the story on Sewanee, Jason.  You wonder if the short, crisp practices are contributing to their fourth quarter woes.

The SA Express-News has a decent story on Trinity QB Nyk McKissic (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-QB-benefits-from-offseason-homework-2204882.php) today.

I don't think so. It sounded like they were working harder and smarter, organized practices that are well- scripted. I think they got some tough breaks at the ends of those game and some penalty calls that didn't go there way. I don't think conditioning was a factor.

I will be very interested to see how they do this weekend in San Antonio
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 06, 2011, 04:58:14 PM
Agreed, thanks to Jason for a good story about the Sewanee Tigers.   From what've I seen from the broadcasts, my guess is that our 4Q woes are a symptom of the lack of depth on the defensive side.   Our kids are spending a lot of time on the field and I'm thinking they're getting tired and loosing focus towards the end of games.  Upside, is that I saw a lot more disciplined play against Millsaps than I saw against B-SC.  We only had one really silly penalty on our defense in the Millsaps game.   Saturday will be a good test to see if we can continue the improvement.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 06, 2011, 06:23:47 PM
Still, an improvement over second-quarter woes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 06, 2011, 09:14:37 PM
Pat:  That's certainly true.    It's an odd feeling to be concerned about what's happening on the field in the 2H of our games.   For the past 15 years or so, by that time I would have been worrying more about getting the proportions right in the ingredients of my Manhattan rather than football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on October 08, 2011, 12:26:55 PM
Whats the weather forecast at Trinity this afternoon?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 08, 2011, 01:14:59 PM
AC/Millsaps live stats are at: livestats.austincollege.edu/football (http://livestats.austincollege.edu/football) and anyone with a College TV Ticket subscription can watch the game live, if anyone is interested.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 08, 2011, 03:10:16 PM
Weather in SA is overcast with light rain in the area.   I'm away from the computer today and can't stream well to the phone. Means can't do a lot of updating like I've done the past few weeks.    Live stats are up on TU's web site,  last score I was able to get was TU 3 - UoS 0, mid 2Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on October 08, 2011, 03:16:08 PM
Trinity 3 Sewanee 3, 2 minutes left in half
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on October 08, 2011, 03:24:49 PM
Trinity scored with 1 Minute left. Tigers from the mountain playing well down 10-7 at half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on October 08, 2011, 04:45:17 PM
Live stats show 10-3 TU at the half, now 27-9 TU in the 4th.  4 minutes and change to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 08, 2011, 07:02:31 PM
Trinity 27, Sewanee 9. Some very big hits by TU Black Flag defenders, especially on Sewanee's pointless attempted 2 point conversion late in the fourth. I'm betting their QB had some choice words for their coach who called that play ... when he regained his senses, that is. :/

Trinity offense was slow to gain momentum, but put up some good numbers after halftime. Granchelli and King rushed well and McKissic ran the team well.

TU defense played tough for 3 out of 4 downs, but gave up some big plays when Sewanee had fourth and long. Big hits were frequent and Darling was all over the ball today.

My first look at this year's edition of the Trinity Tigers and I was pleased to see them back on track for a final SCAC title shot. Too early to claim it, but they're looking good. Go TU!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 08, 2011, 09:22:03 PM
The AC/ Millsaps game came down to an onside kick with seconds left.  It looks like AC could have tried an onside hail Mary kick because everybody from Millsaps was on the line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tex on October 09, 2011, 12:08:53 AM
My first game this year as well.  I enjoyed sitting with you and your family.  7 or 8 huge Trinity hits today.  A couple of decleaters.

And a first, a receiving player hit on the back by a falling punt and same player recovered the ball.  Crazy. 

The rain actually really felt good.  First rain I've felt in months with this drought!



Quote from: TigerDad on October 08, 2011, 07:02:31 PM
Trinity 27, Sewanee 9. Some very big hits by TU Black Flag defenders, especially on Sewanee's pointless attempted 2 point conversion late in the fourth. I'm betting their QB had some choice words for their coach who called that play ... when he regained his senses, that is. :/

Trinity offense was slow to gain momentum, but put up some good numbers after halftime. Granchelli and King rushed well and McKissic ran the team well.

TU defense played tough for 3 out of 4 downs, but gave up some big plays when Sewanee had fourth and long. Big hits were frequent and Darling was all over the ball today.

My first look at this year's edition of the Trinity Tigers and I was pleased to see them back on track for a final SCAC title shot. Too early to claim it, but they're looking good. Go TU!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2011, 12:38:33 PM
Sounds like the D came up with big plays when they had to yesterday against an opponent much better than the record indicates.  Nicely done.   As TigerDad said, the 1-of-4 on fourth down stops shows an area for improvement, but if you'd told me before the season TU'd be 5-0 while outscoring opponents 166-40 in those games I wouldn't have believed you.  A very nice job by the coaching staff in SA, and of course the young men playing the game.

Now the fun begins, with the next three home games against opponents with a total of one loss, that only because two of the teams played each other (Huntingdon and Birmingham Southern).   The only 'breather' is the long road trip to 2-4 LaGrange, which has already lost to B-SC, at Millsaps, and at Rhodes. 

B-SC and Centre play this week, which should be an interesting game to watch.  I'm going to try to clear my schedule to get to SA for TU-Huntingdon.

Meanwhile, it's been raining in SA all night and all morning, meaning the TU and Millsaps soccer teams are going to be playing on a very sloppy pitch.  Good luck to them!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2011, 10:02:38 AM
Players of the week, from the home office in Suwanee, GA:

Defensive:  Antonio Debouse, Trinity.  Seven tackles, two fumble recoveries, the second returned 32 yards to the Sewanee 3.
Offensive:  Thomas Theriot, Millsaps.  Rushed for 175 yards on 28 carries and one touchdown, and caught five passes for 23 yards.   The effort was his second straight 100+ yard game.
Special Teams:  Garrett Biel, Trinity.  2-for-2 on field goal attempts, 3-for-3 on extra points. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2011, 12:05:25 PM
Upcoming games this week:
All games are either 1PM or 1:30PM starts (central time). 

I'll be heading to SA to see the Huntingdon-Trinity tilt; maybe I'll even file one of those video reports from the game if Trinity wins  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 11, 2011, 12:20:33 PM
Ron, how does this Trinity team compare to some of their other teams?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on October 11, 2011, 07:44:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2011, 10:02:38 AM
Players of the week, from the home office in Suwanee, GA:

Defensive:  Antonio Debouse, Trinity.  Seven tackles, two fumble recoveries, the second returned 32 yards to the Sewanee 3.
Offensive:  Thomas Theriot, Millsaps.  Rushed for 175 yards on 28 carries and one touchdown, and caught five passes for 23 yards.   The effort was his second straight 100+ yard game.
Special Teams:  Garrett Biel, Trinity.  2-for-2 on field goal attempts, 3-for-3 on extra points.
Theriot was very impressive with his second and third efforts on his runs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2011, 10:31:33 AM
Quote from: Bill McCabe on October 11, 2011, 12:20:33 PM
Ron, how does this Trinity team compare to some of their other teams?

Much improved over recent years with very solid team play and a defense that is setting the tempo - ranked fourth nationally in yards allowed, sixth in points allowed.  The offense isn't the juggernaut of the glory years but it is balanced and playing smart.  QB Nyk McKissic is third nationally in passing efficiency.  They're also winning the turnover battle with an advantage of nearly 2 TOs per game, again a big difference over recent years past.

The meat of the schedule is coming up, with three of the next four opponents combining for something like a 14-1 record.   We'll see where things stand in a month.   :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2011, 09:16:43 AM
Another fine Around the Region (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2011/pinque-anything-but-angry) from Jason Bowen, focusing on Centre runningback Jonathan Pinque.  That young man has already done and overcome a lot in his 22 years.  Thanks for the insight, Jason!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 13, 2011, 12:31:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2011, 09:16:43 AM
Another fine Around the Region (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2011/pinque-anything-but-angry) from Jason Bowen, focusing on Centre runningback Jonathan Pinque.  That young man has already done and overcome a lot in his 22 years.  Thanks for the insight, Jason!
I agree.  Thanks for documenting that Jonathan could continue to maintain his English skills, while living in Alabama. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DGPugh on October 13, 2011, 03:00:39 PM
It was a good article about Jonathan Pinque. I noted to my bride about my displeasure that the young man could still "maintain his english skills' while living in bama.
Jayne said ' where is he from' ?
Me: 'The article says East Limestone'
She looked up and said, "Thats where Brent is from (our oldest daughters husband), i'm not supprised..." >:(

so... based on my bride's observation, english speaking skills in limestone county are  obviously commonly suspect ... or it might have been her comentary on our son in law ? ;)
keep the faith
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on October 13, 2011, 06:46:33 PM
Thanks, Around the South readers. He's got a very inspiring story and I was glad to get a chance to share it. i was wondering if he learned the word "over-adulated" in Alabama? Great kid and well-spoken.

Always looks for good stories to tell, and could always use some ideas for next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 13, 2011, 09:52:41 PM
Quote from: Conrad on October 13, 2011, 06:46:33 PM
Thanks, Around the South readers. He's got a very inspiring story and I was glad to get a chance to share it. i was wondering if he learned the word "over-adulated" in Alabama? Great kid and well-spoken.

Always looks for good stories to tell, and could always use some ideas for next week.

Over-adulated?  Probably a Tuscaloosa thing.  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2011, 11:29:38 AM
Since we don't have much insight into the Hawks, some relevant statistics from their season:

Scoring:  37.7 / Opponents 22.8
Rushing:  190.5 / 102.7
Passing:  313.0 / 268.8
Total:  503.5 / 371.5
Turnovers:  14 / 15
Net punting average:  28.2 / 35.5
Sacks:  19 / 4
Red Zone scoring:  89% / 57%
Red Zone TDs:  86% / 57%

HC has outscored opponents 152-51 in first half; 74-70 in second; been outscored 6-0 in OT.

Leading rusher:  Trevor Manuel; 146 rushes, 663 yard (4.5 ypc), 8 TD.
QB:  Neal Posey; 136-of-208 for 1711 yards (285.2 yds/gm), 17 TD, 6 INT, 155.7 eff
Leading receivers:  Cody Pearcy (24 rcpt/323 yds, 4TD); Del Green (19 rcpt/188 yds, 1 TD); Austin Worley (17/276 yds, 3 TD); Willy McDowell (16/211, 6 TD)

Defensive leaders: 
- Kirk Johnson:  41 tackles (27 solo), 6 for loss including 2 sacks.
- Keith Anthony:  39 tackles (29 solo), 1 for loss,  has 5 interceptions, 3 pass breakups.
- DJ Chappell:  36 tackles (21 solo), 9.5 for loss including 4 sacks.
- Justin Brown:  25 tackles (23 solo), 3.5 for loss, 2 interceptions, 6 pass breakups.

Will try to do same for Trinity later.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2011, 12:04:56 PM
And now, for Trinity:

Scoring:  33.2 / Opponents 8.0
Rushing:  192.0 / 89.6
Passing:  166.0/ 107.8
Total:  358.0 / 197.4
Turnovers:  5 / 14
Net punting average:  37.9 / 32.2
Sacks:  10 / 12
Red Zone scoring:  100% / 86%
Red Zone TDs:  67% / 57%

Trinity has outscored opponents 88-13 in first half; 78-27 in second; no OT.

Leading rushers:  Pat Granchelli; 89 rushes, 422 yard (4.7 ypc), 3 TD; Desmond King, 45 rushes, 298 yard (6.6 ypc); 3 TD.
QB:  Nyk McKissic; 54-of-81 for 753 yards (150.6 yds/gm), 10 TD, 1 INT, 183.0 eff
Leading receivers:  Jonathan Osei-Kuffour  (13 rcpt/230 yds, 2 TD); Mason Lytal (11 rcpt/98 yds, 2 TD); Hagen Kattner (10 rcpt/100 yds, 2 TD).

Defensive leaders: 
- Nick Darling:  35 tackles (16 solo), 3.5 for loss.
- Tom Puskarich :  33 tackles (11 solo), 3.5 for loss,  1 sack, 1 pass breakup.
- Ben Robinson:  32 tackles (18 solo), 7.5 for loss including 1 sack, 2 INTs, 2 passes broken up.
- Tyler Barrett:  21 tackles (13 solo), 3.5 for loss, 4 interceptions.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 14, 2011, 12:24:55 PM
A few things that stand out:

Both teams have a stiff rushing defense.  Huntingdon's passing attack is much more prolific than Trinity's, but their defense also yields much more passing yardage.  Will Trinity try to open things up against the Hawks?

Can Trinity protect Nyk McKissic?  HC is averaging nearly four sacks per game.  Can the Tiger defense get pressure on Neal Posey versus an Huntingdon offensive line that's yielding less than a sack per game?

If it comes down to a special teams battle, Trinity could have an edge.  Besides averaging nearly ten yards more net per punt, Trinity is 6 for 8 on field goals to Huntingdon's 1-of-4.  Then again, the Hawks have a higher red zone TD conversion rate so the field goals attempted have been longer.   Huntingdon's opponents have yet to make a field goal attempt this season.

Last year's result in Montgomery:  Huntingdon 56, Trinity 30.  After a wild 35-24 first half with four touchdowns scored in the last four minutes, the Hawks' defense stiffened with two interceptions and a fumble recovery to seal the win. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 11:30:58 AM
Going to be a beautiful day for football in SA ... sunny, highs in the mid-80s, no humidity, very light breeze.  About to hit the road and will probably do some updates from the game.   From articles earlier this week in the Montgomery newspaper. Huntingdon is highly motivated again today after beating two top 25 (AFCA?) teams and still not being ranked. 

The Montgomery News has a nice preview (http://www.montgomeryadvertiser.com/article/20111015/SPORTS02/110150331/Game-preview-Huntingdon-Trinity-Texas-) of today's game.  The SAEN has their usual worthless 2-3 sentence 'preview.'    Here's the Trinity SID preview (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2011-12/files/FB06.pdf) (.pdf); can't find anything on the Huntingdon site.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 02:40:43 PM
Trinity takes the opening kick and scores on a nice 79-yard drive.  7-0 early 1st.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 02:54:00 PM
After an exchange of punts, Huntingdon drives 80 yards to tie the score.  Key play a flea flicker off a reverse for about 40 yards.  3:50 1st.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 03:03:27 PM
not a lot of defense so far.  On third and ten McKissick finds a wide-open Osei-Kuffour from 25 yards out.  14-7 Trinity, 14:50 2nd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 03:20:23 PM
Nick Darling gets an interception off a tip, but the Hawk D holds.  A 37-yd Biel FG makes it 17-7 Trinity with 8:46 before the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 03:35:12 PM
Huntingdon fails to convert on a fourth and five at the Trinity 25.  At the half, it's 17-7 TU.

Hawks have been hurt by a come of drops on what otherwise would have been big plays.  Defenses both improved as the half progressed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on October 15, 2011, 03:40:49 PM
Thanks for the running commentary, Ron. Glad the Tigers are playing well. LIKE.

Trinity Live Stats here:
http://www.trinity.edu/departments/athletics/Football/livestats/xlive.htm

Tu leads 24-7 at 8:18 in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 04:09:38 PM
trinity gets an interception return to the 11,.drive goes nowhere, but on a busted play FG holder Kennemer scores on a run from 11 yards out.  24-7, 8:13 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 04:29:00 PM
Huntingdon goes from the semi-hurryup to the full version and gets to the TU 1, but after a stop for no gain the Tigers force a fumble and take over at their 6.  Still 24-7, 1:38 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 15, 2011, 04:35:45 PM
Centre all over B-SC.  45-20 late in the 4th. Thought this would be a close win for B-SC at home. Having watched the Centre-W&L game, I probably shouldn't have under-rated Centre...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 04:51:24 PM
Trinity gets an int  on fourth-and-13 at their 5.  HC holds and have it at their 43.  First pass sets Hawks up inside the TU 10.  3 Minutes to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 04:55:03 PM
HC pass into end zone on 4th down is batted away.  Trinity takes over on their 7.   Under two minutes to play, Hawks have one time out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 04:57:34 PM
Turnovers the story today as Trinity goes very conservative extensively offensively with the lead in 2nd half.  Trinity wins, 24-7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 06:01:54 PM
Sewanee makes DePauw 0-for-3 against former SCAC opponents in 2011 with a 30-7 whitewashing. 
Millsaps holds off Rhodes to keep their flickering championship hopes alive, 44-36.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 15, 2011, 06:21:41 PM
Congratulations, TUTigers
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: frank_ezelle on October 15, 2011, 09:52:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2011, 06:01:54 PM
Sewanee makes DePauw 0-for-3 against former SCAC opponents in 2011 with a 30-7 whitewashing. 
Millsaps holds off Rhodes to keep their flickering championship hopes alive, 44-36.

Ron, I absolutely haven't been keeping up with any SCAC sports this year including Millsaps.  Isn't the Millsaps situation a case of needing to run the table and then hope that BSC or Centre get a win over Trinity?  That seems like championship hopes that are better than flickering, unless it is the play of the Majors that makes such an occurance unlikely.  Like I said, I really haven't kept up with anything well enough to know the likelihood of Millsaps winning out the rest of the way.

BTW, I've been doing music videos in place of sports photos.  Covered 3 bands last night, getting ready to go film 2 tonight, and there will be a whole slew of bands to recorded tomorrow at a benefit show here in town that features a huge lineup of acts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 16, 2011, 12:23:38 AM
You're right, Frank, if Millsaps can defeat both Centre and BSC, and one of them defeats Trinity, the Majors will tie for the championship.  It just seems unlikely with the way Millsaps has escaped from lesser competition, but stranger things have happened.   Centre seems pretty tough, Trinity's no slouch either, and if both are still undefeated in three weeks there should be one heck of a game in San Antonio.

Interesting aside:  one of the HC players tweeted something to the effect of "nine times out of ten we beat Trinity."  Really?  Win one game at home against the first sub-.500 Trinity team since 1992 and you can make that kind of statement?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 16, 2011, 01:27:39 AM
Yeah that was pretty out of left field to me. If you win nine out of 10, then the one you lose shouldn't be a three-score game. That's just math talking.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on October 16, 2011, 03:54:26 AM
I've been impressed this season by the steady play.  Just solid in all facets.  Really nice to see how the D steps up as opponents approach the goal line.  I almost anticipate a forced turnover.  Well done.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 16, 2011, 08:24:03 AM
I wouldn't factor B-SC out of the mix in spite of them getting thumped by Centre.   They get a week off before they have to go to San Antonio to take on TU and then finish out at home against Rhodes and Millsaps.   OTOH, TU has to go up to LaGrange before facing both B-SC and Centre at home while Centre has a potential trap game vs. Sewanee before having to travel to B-SC and TU.

There's an interesting month of football coming up in the SCAC...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on October 16, 2011, 07:22:47 PM
Y'all read the twitter accounts of Huntingdon College football players?  I guess anyone can be a rock star in this day and age.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 16, 2011, 09:57:42 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 16, 2011, 08:24:03 AM
I wouldn't factor B-SC out of the mix in spite of them getting thumped by Centre.   They get a week off before they have to go to San Antonio to take on TU and then finish out at home against Rhodes and Millsaps.   OTOH, TU has to go up to LaGrange before facing both B-SC and Centre at home while Centre has a potential trap game vs. Sewanee before having to travel to B-SC and TU.

There's an interesting month of football coming up in the SCAC...

I don't think Centre will struggle too much with Sewanee. I think a lot of the reason Sewanee is much improved this year is they are running a triple option like W&L runs. This offense is very hard to mimic with a scout team, so often teams struggle to defend it, especially in the first half. Centre already saw a, quite frankly, better version of the offense when they beat W&L, and while they struggled in the first half, and only did marginally better in the second, they did enough to win. I don't think Sewanee's defense will fare better against them than W&L's did. There is also a lot more game tape available on Sewanee now than earlier in the year. That will help as well. Now if they just completely underestimate Sewanee... well, not much can be done about it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 17, 2011, 10:34:26 AM
Quote from: jknezek on October 16, 2011, 09:57:42 PM
I don't think Centre will struggle too much with Sewanee. I think a lot of the reason Sewanee is much improved this year is they are running a triple option like W&L runs.

I figure the spread between Centre and Sewanee should run around 10 points.  I think we've improved enough on the defensive side of things that we can keep in the game through the first half but Centre will pull away in the middle to late third quarter.   I don't envy the Centre coaches... big games coming up means it'll be hard to keep the kids focused on this week, esp. given how Centre/Sewanee series has gone the past few years.

I'd agree with you about the triple option; it's an offense that I'm surprised isn't used more often as I think defenses have gotten so focused on spread offenses that it's hard for them to adjust to type of assignment defense required to play an option team like us or W&L.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on October 17, 2011, 11:53:44 AM
These W&L references make me wonder if they would ever consider joining the SAA? I would guess they would need a travel partner, so the SAA would need to bring in two VA school's to get to 10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2011, 12:40:03 PM
This week's ATN Podcast (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2011/10/17/atn-podcast-looking-at-playoff/) leads off with Centre-BSC and Huntingdon-Trinity.  Thanks, guys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 17, 2011, 01:26:47 PM
Quote from: cush on October 17, 2011, 11:53:44 AM
These W&L references make me wonder if they would ever consider joining the SAA? I would guess they would need a travel partner, so the SAA would need to bring in two VA school's to get to 10.

I highly doubt W&L will leave the ODAC. The ODAC is a very good fit for the Generals, although they do stick out academically. That being said, geographically the conference is a dream. No mandatory overnights (although you do get some decent bus trips), no flights, and if you look at the Commissioner's Cup results W&L has nothing to complain about. We've won the overall combined more years than not and we often have at least the men's or women's cup every year. As the ODAC has added sports that W&L competes in (women's swimming), and W&L has added sports the ODAC has a competition for (field hockey), I believe the only sport W&L doesn't compete in is softball. I also think men's swimming, wrestling, and maybe equestrian (not sure how that is organized) are the only varsity level sports W&L has to go outside the ODAC to find a home. I might be slightly off on the sports, but not much.

While I have no contacts at W&L to ask about this, and no knowledge of it, my personal opinion is there is almost no justification for W&L leaving the ODAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 17, 2011, 02:22:56 PM
Logical discussion of W&L, jknezel.

How much of an "mission and vision" drop-off is there in the ODAC, top to bottom?

Probably no different than that of the SAA.  The SAA rejected some very presitgeous schools when they went out on their own.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 17, 2011, 03:14:31 PM
All the ODAC schools are similar size liberal arts schools. I don't think there is much of a "mission and vision" difference at all. I think the biggest difference is W&L is a top 20 liberal arts school (my opinion since I think the vast majority of rankings that come out aren't worth the paper they are printed on) and the lower academic schools in the ODAC are probably more like the 40-50th percentile liberal arts schools. I couldn't tell you academically who would be the lowest, not even sure what criteria I'd use to define lowest, and I'm really not sure it matters in terms of sports championships.

W&L has a good hook going by being the best academic school in the ODAC. We exploit that hook very well. While we don't always compete in the big team sports, football, basketball and baseball, we almost always compete in one out of three. Lately it's been football with basketball being more competitive. When I was there it was lacrosse and baseball. But with the improved facilities, I think all the programs have gotten better in the last decade, with the possible exception of some backsliding in lacrosse and men's soccer. Swimming, men's and women's tennis, volleyball... W&L is almost always strong. W&L might be attractive to the new conference, but I'm pretty sure the conference, while full of great teams and even traditional rivals (Sewanee and Centre especially), would be more of a travel nuisance than any kind of benefit.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 18, 2011, 01:25:33 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on October 17, 2011, 10:34:26 AM
I'd agree with you about the triple option; it's an offense that I'm surprised isn't used more often as I think defenses have gotten so focused on spread offenses that it's hard for them to adjust to type of assignment defense required to play an option team like us or W&L.

I'd agree, but you are seeing more of it. I think there was an ATN column last year about the increasing number of teams going to option, triple option, and spread option offenses. Everything goes in cycles. Option, I, pro-set, spread, just about everything but the wing-t comes and goes. You need the players to run the option, and that can be difficult. Wide receivers don't want to play in the system, tight ends become mostly blocking linemen, qbs have to accept basically a "wildcat" role. Lineman have to be much more mobile than pass blocking.

So many high schools play pro style with spread sets these days it can be hard to get the kids. Small, academic schools that can do less recruiting to the system have to have a coach flexible enough to adapt to the talent on hand.

Sewanee seems on the up for the triple option, and I think that's great because I enjoy watching it done well. It's great to watch a game like the W&L vs Centre game where you had two different styles being equally successful. Unless, of course, you are the d-coordinator!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 18, 2011, 02:03:47 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 18, 2011, 01:25:33 PM
Everything goes in cycles. Option, I, pro-set, spread, just about everything but the wing-t comes and goes. You need the players to run the option, and that can be difficult. Wide receivers don't want to play in the system, tight ends become mostly blocking linemen, qbs have to accept basically a "wildcat" role. Lineman have to be much more mobile than pass blocking.

The Wing-T is still alive and well at Carnegie Mellon!  (*Note: Much of what I'm about to say also goes for the triple option and single wing)

The Wing-T gave us an advantage in games vs. opponents that were "new" on our schedule and consequently had "never seen" the Wing-T.  I recall several games where we racked up a ton of rushing yards against opponents that certainly had the talent to stop us, but they just weren't used to seeing our offense (we ran for 500+ yards against now-defunct Colorado College in 2005 and 2006; we ran for 260 yards against Millsaps in the 2006 playoffs; and, since jknezek is a W & L alum, we racked up 315 rushing yards and 39 points against W & L in 2007).

Specifically, I think it made a huge difference in that Millsaps game.  I honestly believe that their defense was more talented than our offense, but they had played an entire season vs. spread offenses (and maybe 1-2 option teams? SCAC folks?) - they were used to defending primarily zone-read running plays, not the old-fashioned Buck Sweep and Down plays that we kept running.

On the flip side, teams that played us every year often had a much easier time defending us.  In 2006 (same year as the Millsaps game referenced above) a mediocre WashU team held us to 126 rushing yards because they saw us every year and knew our offense.  Grove City always gave us a pretty hard time, even with teams that went 2-8 or 3-7, because they ran the same offense that we did & their defense could "read" us pretty well.

I think that the triple-option and single-wing will survive if just a few schools run them because of that element of "unfamiliarity" - they're just hard to prepare for on a week's notice, but if you play 3-4 teams a year that run a triple-option, it becomes a lot easier to defend.

There was a an article on Grantland.com a few weeks back about the variety of offenses that still exist at the college level, pointing out that it can be fun to watch those games because NFL teams essentially look the same to the untrained eye.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 18, 2011, 02:37:52 PM
That's fantastic! I had no idea CMU still ran a wing t. And I completely agree. W&L is finding it much harder sledding with the option through the ODAC this year, even though I think we are executing better, than when we played last year. Defenses certainly are more prepared and though we still get the yards, we aren't getting the points as teams bend but don't break. However, when you look at our non-conference games, man we wracked up yards and points. So yes, familiarity is a problem.

I'm going to have to find a Carnegie Mellon game to watch me some wing-t football!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 18, 2011, 10:48:59 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 18, 2011, 01:25:33 PM
I'd agree, but you are seeing more of it. I think there was an ATN column last year about the increasing number of teams going to option, triple option, and spread option offenses. Everything goes in cycles. Option, I, pro-set, spread, just about everything but the wing-t comes and goes.
Part of that is the give and take between offenses and defenses.  With so many programs going to nickel variations like the 3-3-5 or 3-3 stack to deal with the spread, it becomes a lot harder to effectively defend option football.   Those formations make it a lot harder for the corners and safeties to focus on the pitch than in more traditional defensive formations like a 4-3 or 3-4.

You definitely see cycles in the sport.  I chuckled a bit when everyone made such a fuss about the Wildcat formation when it got real popular a few years ago given how it's just the old single wing offense run at modern speeds.  I'll know we've come full circle when I see someone come out in a game using the Notre Dame Box.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2011, 10:53:59 AM
Congratulations to the SCAC Players of the Week:

This week's SCAC games:
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on October 19, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Yes there was an ATN about triple-option last year. Ripon, Maine Maritime, Salisbury, SUNY-Maritime maybe were the featured teams. They talked about how recruiting is affected, but they treated it as an advantage.

Definitely Ripon mentioned no one seeing it and then having 4 days to prep for it as a factor. The first game of the year they have all offseason to prep though.

Personal experience against the old Gettysburg Wing-T in mid-90s, we gave up 27 points the first time we played them and shut them out the next year. We were more talented both times but we gave one or two long fullback dive TDs the first year by misplaying the option. So I think familiarity is a major factor.

Also I was at the Carnegie Mellon/Millsaps playoff game, and while the Majors had trouble with the offense, it was really the fact that the CMU defense shut out that Millsaps offense (which would go on to be a juggernaut the next two seasons) that changed that game. 21-0. REALLY good safety for the Tartans that year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 19, 2011, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on October 19, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Also I was at the Carnegie Mellon/Millsaps playoff game, and while the Majors had trouble with the offense, it was really the fact that the CMU defense shut out that Millsaps offense (which would go on to be a juggernaut the next two seasons) that changed that game. 21-0. REALLY good safety for the Tartans that year.

So you're sure that the difference wasn't the stellar play of CMU's left tackle and that Wing-T offense? :)

You're certainly right, Keith, in that our defense was the "real" key to the game, and the safety you reference is a former D3football.com All-American (Aaron Lewis) who probably could have played up a level from Division III (perhaps as a linebacker, he may have been a touch slow for a safety at the I-AA level).

With that said, they did struggle with the wing-T (a couple of times on our "criss-cross" play the the Millsaps LB's were still running the wrong way with the ballcarrier five yards downfield), and that was the origin of this discussion - the difficulty of preparing for teams playing old-school offensive sets.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 19, 2011, 06:34:15 PM
Trinity coach Steve Mohr, suffering from pneumonia, will not accompany the team to Georgia this week.  DC Jim Dawson will serve as acting coach.  A full recovery is expected.

http://blog.mysanantonio.com/the-local-scene/2011/10/ailing-trinity-football-coach-will-sit-out-this-week/

Get well soon, Coach Mohr!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 20, 2011, 05:11:04 PM
Keith features the SCAC, present and future, in this week's Around the Nation (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2011/scacs-last-gasp).

What a shame that with all the love the guys are showing the conference, not many of its supporters seem to be around any more.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on October 21, 2011, 04:01:36 AM
Still here!  Glad to see TU in solid form.  Don't post much, but follow much.  Here in Hawaii I wake up to the video stream.  SCAC doing well and getting attention rarely exhibited during better times.  D3 football is great and I enjoy the camaraderie and passion.  - T
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 12:24:02 PM
Update from the SAEN on Steve Mohr (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-hits-road-without-ailing-coach-2230900.php) (as well as a bit about today's game at LaGrange).  As of the time this article was written (yesterday), Coach Mohr was still in the hospital but is expected to be released "soon." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 01:20:13 PM
Not a good start in what's seeming more and more like a trap game.  Trinity goes 3-and-out after the opening kickoff, then LaGrange drives 76 yards in 16 plays, mostly on the ground (!) to take a 7-0 lead, 3:50 to play in opening quarter.   LaGrange QB 4-for-4 on the drive.   

Another 3-and-out and LaGrange has the ball again at their 31.  Nyk McKissick an unlikely 1-of-4 (1 yd) so far.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 01:26:26 PM
Already 2nd quarter in Georgia.  LaGrange at Trinity 30. 

Finally an incomplete pass from a guy who's missed more passes than he's completed (42%) this year.  Panthers get a 33 yard field goal to increase the lead to 10-0, 12:58 before halftime. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 01:34:00 PM
Trinity finally gets a pass completed only to fumble it at midfield.  Oy vey. 

LaGrange converts a 4th and 4 at the Trinity 31 by keeping it on the ground.

Trinity gets a big sack on 3rd-and-6 at their 22, pushing Panthers out of field goal range.  Punt into end zone.  Granchelli's 3-yd gain on first down is biggest gain on ground for Tigers so far.   But two more rushes net a total of two yards and it's punt time again.   Lagrange will start at their own 46.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 01:47:16 PM
Change of QB for LaGrange ... now the guy who's completing 36% of his passes on the season comes in.  Naturally, his first toss is complete.   Second one isn't, Trinity once again will have lovely starting field position at their 17.  1:51 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 01:53:55 PM
Tigers get their FIRST FIRST DOWN OF THE GAME, get to midfield, a dropped pass dooms the drive and LaGrange will take over at their 10 with 40 seconds left, run out the clock.  Well, that's a half Trinity needs to put behind them. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 02:09:36 PM
Good news for Trinity - after 1-4 start, Nyk goes 4-6 for 74 yards.  Defense is stiffening and given HC's great starting field position have to feel better about things after allowing the opening long TD drive. 

Bad news - still down 10-0 and Panthers will have the ball to start the second half.   Tigers have yet to convert a third down. 

Starting position:  Trinity:  own 27, 27, 16, and 17.  LaGrange:  own 24 and 31, midfield, own 46.

Time of possession:  LaGrange 22:33, Trinity 7:27.

It's homecoming at LaGrange so halftime will be a long one.  Gotta be tough to play when your coach is in the hospital.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 02:16:38 PM
And ... after a big return of the 2nd half kick, Lagrange starts in Trinity territory near midfield.  #somedaysarelikethat

Defense stops LC for loss on third and 2, Panthers punt, Trinity takes over at their 7.  TU has GOT to do something about this crappy field position!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 02:25:22 PM
On third and three from their 13, McKissic finds Kattner for 30.  Trinity gets to LC 40 but lose three yards on third and five.   LC takes over at their 20 after the punt is into the end zone.

Defense gives up a quick first down but holds after that.  Trinity taks over on their 26.  5:14 left in third as Panthers are keeping the clock moving with their play calls.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 02:33:40 PM
Trinity gets on the board with a three-play, 73 yard drive.  Desmond King scores from 27 yards out to narrow the LaGrange lead to 10-7.  4:01 left third.  LaGrange starts at their 31.

A sack on first down puts the Panthers in a hole they can't recover from.  Third down pass goes incomplete and Trinity will have a chance to take their first lead of the day starting from their 26 (after a holding penalty on the return).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 02:39:29 PM
Tigers now having some success on the ground as three consecutive rushes net 59 yards, with Desmond King ripping one off for 24 and Nyk going for 30.  Trinity has a first down at the LC 15.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 02:45:27 PM
Trinity has a first down at the two, but three straight rushes yet only one yard.  Tigers take time out, 13:47 to play.  McKissick scores on fourth down!   14-10 Trinity, 13:43 to play.

Sewanee up early on Centre, 7-0 per tweet from @CEntreAthletics.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 02:51:18 PM
Defense holds again and Trinity will have their best starting position of the day, at their own 38.  11:33 remaining.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 02:55:57 PM
Centre ties it up, 7:48 first.

Pass interference call on LC on third and long gives Trinity a first down at midfield.  Timeout, Panthers, 10:27 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 03:00:54 PM
Third down pass goes incomplete.  Kyle Trella's punt goes out of bounds, LC will start at their 12.  8:30 left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2011, 03:02:44 PM
Word from Danville was that Sewanee's defense comes up big for us w/ interception deep in Centre territory.  Quick score afterwards and then Centre drives next poss. in for a TD. 

UPDATE: just checked the live stats, Centre putting together another good possession.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2011, 03:07:34 PM
Centre drives it in for the score,  14-7 3:53 1Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 03:08:14 PM
Lagrange gets a gut-check first down on third-and-three.   Next first down (on 2nd and two) called back with a chop block penalty.  LC takes a timeout facing a third and six at their own 26.  5:50 to play.  Get the first down on a 13-yard completion.   In Trinity territory with best rush of second half, 18 yards by Gibson to TU 43.   27-yard completion to Magaw sets LC up at the 16.



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 03:12:54 PM
Another timely interception by the Trinity defense ... Tyler Barrett picks off Ed Russ in end zone.  1:54 to play and LC with only 1 timeout remaining.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2011, 03:16:09 PM
Nyk McKissic seals it with a nine-yard scamper on third and 5 after LC took their last time out. 

Wow, guys, very proud of the way you fought through adversity today.  Congratulations and see you next week in  SA.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2011, 03:49:18 PM
Centre adds another touchdown in the 2nd quarter,   21-7 Centre over Sewanee at the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2011, 04:24:03 PM
Centre takes advantage of Sewanee fumble to score a touchdown to move the score to 28-7 6:25 3Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2011, 04:41:58 PM
We're in the 4Q in Danville with Centre leading Sewanee, 28-7.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2011, 04:52:39 PM
Sewanee scores on a long drive at the start of the 4Q to move the score to Centre 28-Sewanee 14 7:05 4Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 22, 2011, 05:18:35 PM
Final from Danville is Centre 28, Sewanee 14.   

Osterman 13-23-1 with 2TDs passing,  Pinque 20 for 122 yds rushing, 1TD.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on October 22, 2011, 06:26:29 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: #17/#23 Trinity--14 vs. NR Lagrange--10) (WHEW!)


Credit Saint Nyk with 212 yards of Total Offense (143 yards Passing + 69 yards Rushing). This out of 287 yards Team Total. WOW, did we need that.

Hope that you are feeling much better Steve, and that you can hurry back, PLEASE.


                                                                                   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on October 24, 2011, 10:14:58 AM
New to SCAC Boards so forgive me for the ignorant question.  If Trinity wins 2 out of the next 3 to finish 9-1, but they don't win the conference. do you think they will get an at large birth?  Or is it way too early to even be thinking about that?  Would love to see TU in the playoffs against some possible Texas opponents.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2011, 10:20:14 AM
Coach Mohr released from hospital on Sunday (story (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/the-local-scene/2011/10/trinity-football-coach-released-from-hospital-team-remains-undefeated/)) but not known yet whether he will be on the sidelines for Saturday's crucial game against Birmingham-Southern (story (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/the-local-scene/2011/10/trinity-coachs-status-uncertain-for-next-game/)). 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2011, 11:20:40 AM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on October 24, 2011, 10:14:58 AM
New to SCAC Boards so forgive me for the ignorant question.  If Trinity wins 2 out of the next 3 to finish 9-1, but they don't win the conference. do you think they will get an at large birth?  Or is it way too early to even be thinking about that?  Would love to see TU in the playoffs against some possible Texas opponents.

A second place 9-1/8-1 SCAC team will be a very strong contender for a Pool C bid this year, be it any of the three teams at the top of the conference standings with one loss or less.   That said, SCAC has never had a runner-up with only one loss on the season.

If the ASC gets two teams in, a 10-0 Trinity would probably host the ASC runner-up.  If Trinity goes 9-1 and gets a bid, who knows who would host.  And, of course, should Trinity get in and UMHB be the only ASC representative, the Cru would host. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2011, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on October 24, 2011, 10:14:58 AM
New to SCAC Boards so forgive me for the ignorant question.  If Trinity wins 2 out of the next 3 to finish 9-1, but they don't win the conference. do you think they will get an at large birth?  Or is it way too early to even be thinking about that?  Would love to see TU in the playoffs against some possible Texas opponents.
Okay McMBlue Devil...

if TU wins the SCAC Pool A bid and McMurry comes for the first round playoff game,

do you let your sons wear their Jake Mullin autographed McMurry jerseys to the TU-McM game?   ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 24, 2011, 06:55:05 PM
SCAC Players of the Week:

Offensive:  Brett Stoots, Rhodes:  Career bests of 437 yards and four touchdowns in 48-17 win over Austin.  29/41 passing.

Defensive:  Ryan Gallas, Centre:  11 tackles (nine solo) in 28-14 win over Sewanee.  Also broke up a pass.

Special teams:  Jordan Gay, Centre
:  Scored a touchdown on a fake field goal attempt, added four extra points, and average 41.0 yards on three punts. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: K-Mack on October 25, 2011, 02:11:54 AM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 19, 2011, 01:36:39 PM
Quote from: K-Mack on October 19, 2011, 01:11:58 PM
Also I was at the Carnegie Mellon/Millsaps playoff game, and while the Majors had trouble with the offense, it was really the fact that the CMU defense shut out that Millsaps offense (which would go on to be a juggernaut the next two seasons) that changed that game. 21-0. REALLY good safety for the Tartans that year.

So you're sure that the difference wasn't the stellar play of CMU's left tackle and that Wing-T offense? :)

You're certainly right, Keith, in that our defense was the "real" key to the game, and the safety you reference is a former D3football.com All-American (Aaron Lewis) who probably could have played up a level from Division III (perhaps as a linebacker, he may have been a touch slow for a safety at the I-AA level).

With that said, they did struggle with the wing-T (a couple of times on our "criss-cross" play the the Millsaps LB's were still running the wrong way with the ballcarrier five yards downfield), and that was the origin of this discussion - the difficulty of preparing for teams playing old-school offensive sets.

You would probably remember better than me.

And having watched our team struggle with Gettysburg's Wing-T one year, then scheme it up and shut it out the next (although oddly, it called for me as a cornerback diagnose run plays then sacrifice my body taking on the pulling guard so the LBs could be free to tackle) I agree that it can be confusing the first time you see it, and in the playoffs that's a huge advantage.

Did not mean to summarily dismiss the awesomeness of the LT play that game!
Title: Berry College to add football program
Post by: Shoreman on October 25, 2011, 08:04:30 AM
http://www.berryvikings.com/GeneralNews/Articles/BerryAddingFootballExpandingTrack

Pretty ambitious start up schedule, plan to start play in 2013. With Oglethorpe reportedly considering adding a program, wouldn't it be nice if Emory & Henry and W&L also came on board making the SAA a 10 team league.
Title: Re: Berry College to add football program
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 25, 2011, 09:43:28 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on October 25, 2011, 08:04:30 AM
http://www.berryvikings.com/GeneralNews/Articles/BerryAddingFootballExpandingTrack

Pretty ambitious start up schedule, plan to start play in 2013. With Oglethorpe reportedly considering adding a program, wouldn't it be nice if Emory & Henry and W&L also came on board making the SAA a 10 team league.
For more knowledgeable posters than I,

what advantage does the SAA give to E&H and W&L that they do not find in the ODAC?

What sports will be more conforming to those athletic departments offered by the SAA over the ODAC?

Will travel to Conway Arkansas and Jackson Mississippi be seen as "neutral" at worst?

Are the schools in the SAA more akin to the "mission and vision" issues that the Board and Administration of E&H and W&L deem important?

Thanks
Title: Re: Berry College to add football program
Post by: jknezek on October 25, 2011, 09:54:04 AM
Quote from: Shoreman on October 25, 2011, 08:04:30 AM

Pretty ambitious start up schedule, plan to start play in 2013. With Oglethorpe reportedly considering adding a program, wouldn't it be nice if Emory & Henry and W&L also came on board making the SAA a 10 team league.
Ralph-- I was typing this when you made your response. In short, there is no advantage for the SAA over the ODAC although I haven't done an in-depth education level analysis of the schools. From a competition point of view, the sleight of sports offered is almost identical and as far as I can tell the mission and vision issues of the ODAC schools and the SAA schools are very similar.

Take a look at the map on the bottom of this link and you'll realize why there is most likely nothing that would tempt W&L to the SAA. I can't speak for E&H as I don't know the school all that well, but I suspect the benefits would be limited as well.

http://www.odaconline.com/information/odacstory

If W&L and E&H struggled in the ODAC or had sports that were in the SAA but not the ODAC I could see a case, however neither of those things are true. Geographically the ODAC is one of the best conferences around and W&L, especially, is geographically at its center. Adding Shenandoah doesn't do much to change that and makes for a very strong 8 team football conference. Even if associate member Catholic left, the ODAC would still have the requisite 7 members for an AQ in football let alone some sports where the conference will be 10-12 teams deep. With the exception of the single-sex institutions, the schools are very similar in size and focus. Certainly W&L has ties to Sewanee and Centre, but I don't think they are going to be strong enough to ruin a dream travel and competition scenario for the Generals.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on October 25, 2011, 11:17:14 AM
If the SAA was interested in going to 12 with 4 VA school's and the interest was mutual, than breaking off into divisions could ease the travel concerns for everybody. I always thought VMI works as a d3 school but getting school's to leave d1 isn't easy. The same could be said of  wofford and Davidson, who also could fit into the SAA but don't think those two ever leave the southern conference. I would expect the SAA to expand to 10 someday, at most 12 if some of these school's ever showed interest. W&L sure has the $ to offset travel issues, its just a matter if the hassle is worth it. I think there is something for school's of alike to stick together and i like travel, so yes i think they should consider it. The old SCAC and now the SAA have a good marketing niche of bringing together the top liberal arts school's from contiguous southern states, one-two per state. Thus adding w&L would seem to fit that strategy as a standalone but travel issues probably require at least one more school to also join, E&H could fit the bill fine as a piggyback to w&L.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 25, 2011, 11:31:18 AM
W&L and E&H are vastly different schools. The SAA is clearly very interested in the types of schools it aligns with.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on October 25, 2011, 12:17:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2011, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on October 24, 2011, 10:14:58 AM
New to SCAC Boards so forgive me for the ignorant question.  If Trinity wins 2 out of the next 3 to finish 9-1, but they don't win the conference. do you think they will get an at large birth?  Or is it way too early to even be thinking about that?  Would love to see TU in the playoffs against some possible Texas opponents.
Okay McMBlue Devil...

if TU wins the SCAC Pool A bid and McMurry comes for the first round playoff game,

do you let your sons wear their Jake Mullin autographed McMurry jerseys to the TU-McM game?   ;D

That's what I like about you Ralph, you knew exactly where I was headed with that question.  I will let my sons wear the Jake Mullin jerseys, but for job security purposes we will sit in separate sections ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 25, 2011, 12:26:47 PM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on October 25, 2011, 12:17:01 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on October 24, 2011, 11:33:40 AM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on October 24, 2011, 10:14:58 AM
New to SCAC Boards so forgive me for the ignorant question.  If Trinity wins 2 out of the next 3 to finish 9-1, but they don't win the conference. do you think they will get an at large birth?  Or is it way too early to even be thinking about that?  Would love to see TU in the playoffs against some possible Texas opponents.
Okay McMBlue Devil...

if TU wins the SCAC Pool A bid and McMurry comes for the first round playoff game,

do you let your sons wear their Jake Mullin autographed McMurry jerseys to the TU-McM game?   ;D

That's what I like about you Ralph, you knew exactly where I was headed with that question.  I will let my sons wear the Jake Mullin jerseys, but for job security purposes we will sit in separate sections ;)
I'll bet that they would not turn down a Nyk McKissic autographed Trinity jersey either. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on October 25, 2011, 01:09:22 PM
E&H is at least up to the academic standards of Birm southern & Millsaps and probably Berry.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2011, 02:58:39 PM
I've just created an SAA board (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7534.0) for discussion like this which pertains solely to the new conference.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 26, 2011, 10:52:57 PM
SAEN story (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-s-Tyler-Barrett-enjoys-his-freedom-2238303.php) on Trinity FS Tyler Barrett.

And ... believe it or not ... ESPN.com's Page 2 revisits the Mississippi Miracle (http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/id/7147361/mississippi-miracle-trinity-executes-15-lateral-play-beat-millsaps-2007-fantastic-finish). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 27, 2011, 10:51:01 AM
Not sure we will have an ATS this week, but that's OK, because Jason Bowen wrote a wonderful feature about the situation at Wesley last week.  If you haven't heard, the son of one of the coaches there suddenly took ill and is in the hospital with a medically induced coma, outlook uncertain.  Making the story even more poignant is Jason's connections with both the young man, Ben Knapp, and the program at Wesley.

The story is available here (http://d3football.com/notables/2011/10/wesley-one-for-ben-knapp) and is highly recommended reading.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
HOLY MOLY -- SW IS BRINGING BACK FOOTBALL IN 2013!!!

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/southwestern_adds_football

GEORGETOWN, Texas - Southwestern University will reinstate football and add women's lacrosse to its roster of NCAA Division III intercollegiate sports, thanks to $6 million in gifts from two former student-athletes.

Joe Seeber, a 1963 graduate who played basketball while he was at Southwestern, has pledged $5 million to launch the new programs and San Antonio businessman Red McCombs, who also attended Southwestern and played football, has pledged $1 million. Joanne and Brent Austin of Houston also have made a gift to support the new programs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 28, 2011, 03:57:30 PM
Interesting weekend coming up

B-SC and Trinity  + Centre and Millsaps with possibility of all four teams being at 3-1 in conference if the dice falls the right way.

And Southwestern decides to add football to become the 3rd football playing school in the revamped SCAC.

Thoughts?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2011, 04:15:43 PM
You'll excuse me if I don't think Trinity being 3-1 would be the dice falling the right way :)

3 SCAC teams could have a better chance of affilliating with the UAA, if they are interested, since that would bring the total number of teams to seven which would secure a Pool A bid ...

And on a personal note, Red McCombs has now donated money to the football program at UTSA, there's the McCombs Center at Incarnate Word, and now he's helping to underwrite football at Southwestern.   Would someone at Trinity PLEASE ask this guy for some money for new turf or something?   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2011, 04:26:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
HOLY MOLY -- SW IS BRINGING BACK FOOTBALL IN 2013!!!

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/southwestern_adds_football

GEORGETOWN, Texas - Southwestern University will reinstate football and add women's lacrosse to its roster of NCAA Division III intercollegiate sports, thanks to $6 million in gifts from two former student-athletes.

Joe Seeber, a 1963 graduate who played basketball while he was at Southwestern, has pledged $5 million to launch the new programs and San Antonio businessman Red McCombs, who also attended Southwestern and played football, has pledged $1 million. Joanne and Brent Austin of Houston also have made a gift to support the new programs.

Dave Voskuil is now VP forEnrollment Services at Southwestern, coming there after a very short stint at Centenary.

He was VP at McMurry and did an excellent job of bringing student-athletes.  He helped start the football program at NCWC before he came to McMurry.

Southwestern has felt the enrollment crunch, and needs football as a recruiting tool.  Voskuil can bring in the student-athletes.

What Centenary plans to do about football becomes interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2011, 06:44:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2011, 03:52:38 PM
HOLY MOLY -- SW IS BRINGING BACK FOOTBALL IN 2013!!!

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/southwestern_adds_football

GEORGETOWN, Texas - Southwestern University will reinstate football ...

Does the increase the possibility that an affiliation agreement with the UAA, to get a Pool A bid in 2015, might occur?

Is there a recruiting advantage for the UAA football schools to come to DFW, to Austin and to San Antonio on a biennial basis for this event?  If Centenary came on board, then there would be an 8-team league. The travel would mean 2 flights per year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2011, 11:05:52 PM
I think I said something to that effect about two messages back, Ralph (the afilliation part, anyway).   ;)  WRT recruits, you gotta think the UAAs are getting all the students they want already just based on their deserved good reputation and very tough admission requirements.   Maybe they get another couple of kids but can't see it being a big factor.

Good news - per EN story, Coach Mohr will be on the sidelines tomorrow against B-SC.  Me too if I can get down I-35 in time. 

It's going to be nice to see Trinity play in Georgetown in a couple or three years.  E-N article says they're going to play at Georgetown HS, hopefully that's only for a year or two and not 'forseeable future.'
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2011, 11:34:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 28, 2011, 11:05:52 PM
I think I said something to that effect about two messages back, Ralph (the affiliation part, anyway).   ;)  WRT recruits, you gotta think the UAAs are getting all the students they want already just based on their deserved good reputation and very tough admission requirements.   Maybe they get another couple of kids but can't see it being a big factor.

Good news - per EN story, Coach Mohr will be on the sidelines tomorrow against B-SC.  Me too if I can get down I-35 in time. 

It's going to be nice to see Trinity play in Georgetown in a couple or three years.  E-N article says they're going to play at Georgetown HS, hopefully that's only for a year or two and not 'forseeable future.'

Sorry about the UAA oversight!  I was distracted by McCombs millions and Trinity!

I was thinking about alumni events related to a beautiful fall afternoon for the CWRU, CMU, Wash U and Chicago alums who may not have seen their teams play in several years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 29, 2011, 02:14:09 AM
And I wrote the UAA piece in our story, which was out around lunchtime.

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2010/10/southwestern-adding-football
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 01:10:18 PM
Trinity takes the opening kick to the BSC 12 before stalling.  Garrett Bill converts from 30 and Trinity takes the early 3-0 lead. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 01:21:05 PM
Teams exchange punts before Trinity recovers a fumble at the BSC 25.  Granchelli scores two plays later from 10 yards out.  10-0, 7:47 1st.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 01:34:47 PM
Panthers get it going with a long pass, just convert a fourth and two at the TU 35, but settle for a 40-yard FG.  10-3 Trinity, 14:54 2nd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 01:35:25 PM
Panthers get it going with a long pass, just convert a fourth and two at the TU 35, but settle for a 40-yard FG.  10-3 Trinity, 14:54 2nd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 01:57:48 PM
Granchelli scores again from 16 yards out.  Trinity 17, BSC 3, under 4 to play before halftime.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 02:04:16 PM
Panthers come right back with Staincack scoring on a keeper from inside the 1.  TU 17, BSC 10, 0:56 left in half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 02:13:13 PM
Trinity gets to the BSC 34, but with no timeouts and only 10 seconds left have to try a 51-yard field goal which is short.  17-10 Trinity at the half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 02:34:22 PM
Big return on 2nd half kick sets up BSC at the Trinity 39.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 02:45:20 PM
Big hit leads to a fumble which BSC recovers at TU 39.   Still 17-10, 6:40 3rd.

BSC goes for it on 4th and 2 and the TU D gets a stop.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 02:55:36 PM
After the stop, Trinity drives and MyKissick finds OSEI-Kuffour down the middle on 3rd down from 35 yards out.  Trinity 24, BSC 10, 0:34 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 03:09:12 PM
Long drive ends in a missed 42-Yard FG for Trinity.  24-10, 8:09 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 03:17:56 PM
BSC drives down the field and Stainback takes it in from 10 yards out.  XP is no good.  Trinity 24-16, 4:21 to play.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 03:28:21 PM
BSC gets the ball back after a stop, on 4Th and 9 at the 38 with 1:19 to play Nick Darling gets an INT at midfield to secure the win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 03:50:16 PM
Last update I got from Memphis was Sewanee was leading Rhodes 27-7  mid3Q. 

No news on the Centre-Millsaps score.

EDIT: Spotted update on Twitter: 10-6 Centre start of the second half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 03:59:07 PM
Update from Memphis: Sewanee finishes long drive to start 4Q to go up 34-7 on Rhodes.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2011, 04:00:32 PM
just hit the live video, it's Millsaps 13, Centre 10 in the 3rd.
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Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 04:15:52 PM
Ron: Thanks for that update.  Finally got the firewall on my work machine  to  quit dropping the Millsaps stream.  Y'all's updates was only way I could follow the TU/B-SC game.
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Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 04:21:44 PM
Centre 17 - Millsaps 16 4Q.

Millsaps not helping their cause with the turnover.
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Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 04:23:51 PM
And the turnover does come back to bite the Majors as Centre punches it in for the score,  24-16 Centre.
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Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 04:32:15 PM
That was a nice series by the Majors to overcome some bad snaps and drive it in for the score.   2-pt conversion fails and the score is Centre 24 - Millsaps 22.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on October 29, 2011, 04:36:54 PM
Thanks. Please keep the scores coming.

What are the time and quarter for Centre and Millsaps?
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Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 04:41:56 PM
Millsaps defense holds and gets the ball back for their offense.    The Millsaps stream doesn't  have a clock in their lower 3rd so all I know is that it's very late in 4Q with the score Centre 24 - Millsaps 22.

Final in Memphis as Sewanee beats Rhodes 34-7.
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Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 04:44:53 PM
Oh, man, the refs really just laid to the Majors with a terrible spot on a play.   Majors have to go for it on 4th down and turn the ball over on downs. 
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Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 04:49:37 PM
Centre runs out the clock and we go final in Jackson: Centre 24 - Millsaps 22.

Controversy on the last Majors possession was that it appeared that Millsaps got the the 1st down but the refs spotted the ball at the receivers feet rather than where his knee touched the field.  That was enough to prevent the Majors from getting the first down.

Some seriously unhappy people in the press box from what I can hear on the open mike in the stream.


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Post by: TXMike on October 29, 2011, 10:41:54 PM
Does not matter where the feet or the knees are.  The ball should be spotted wherever IT was when the ball was declared dead.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on October 29, 2011, 11:40:50 PM
Quote from: TXMike on October 29, 2011, 10:41:54 PM
Does not matter where the feet or the knees are.  The ball should be spotted wherever IT was when the ball was declared dead.
Makes this call even more interesting as to where exactly you place the ball.   Receiver appeared to catch the ball falling forward.   So, I would have thought that the spot should have been at the point where some part of the receivers body other than his hand or foot touched the ground.   

It got me curious enough to check the NCAA Rule Book.  Rule 5 matches what you say and what I thought about player contact with the ground. Given that the Millsaps people might have a case for it being a bad call. But the officials put the ball where they put it and the result is what it is...

... and it's the thought of having to make calls like this that is reason why I stay away from any sort of sports officiating.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on October 30, 2011, 10:24:52 AM
Regardless of the outcome of the game this week, do Trinity and Centre both make the playoffs?
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Post by: jknezek on October 30, 2011, 10:58:04 AM
At the very least, the loser will have to win their last game. However, it might depend on other teams. If W&L beats H-SC they might be Regionally Ranked. That would certainly help Centre. If Huntingdon beats Wesley that will help Trinity. There are a lot of variables that would go into being a Pool C, but I would think that so long as the loser wins their last game they have a very solid case for a Pool C bid. Centre currently stands at 32 in SOS according to the D3football.com info found here:

http://www.d3football.com/seasons/2011/schedule?tmpl=sos-template

Trinity stands at 78. the D3football.com mock Regional Rankings have Centre at 2, Trinity at 3 boding well for both. However, all these things together would indicate the SCAC might be better off with a Trinity win and hoping for a W&L win at H-SC to assist Centre. Of course, all these numbers will change with the game, but it looks like Centre currently is marginally more capable of withstanding the loss. Then again, Trinity is the program with more name recognition and playoff history. They might play better in front of the committee.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2011, 02:43:10 PM
A funny call from the BSC-Trinity game yesterday.  Panthers completed a pass down to the Trinity 25.  Trinity was called for roughing the passer, so of course BSC accepted.  Ball was spotted at the TU 10 after penalty was walked off.   Shouldn't that have been half the distance?

Considering how easily Stainback walked into the endzone on the next play, the 2.5 yards probably wouldn't have made much (if any) difference, but it seemed curious at the time. 

Morris (FB) for BSC is good.   Trinity wrapped him up pretty well for much of the game but he still ended up with around 140 yards.  Great leg strength, good vision, and quick:  no wonder he's the leading rusher in the league. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on October 30, 2011, 02:50:15 PM
Yes that is a 1/2 the distance situation. Should have been 12 1/2 yard line not the 10
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Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2011, 06:37:54 PM
Thanks, TXMike. 

Here are the SCAC Players of the week:

OFFENSIVE:  Patrick Granchelli, Trinity:  20 carries for 124 yards and two TDs plus two catches for 35 yards.

DEFENSIVE:  John Davenport, Sewanee:  Seven tackles (three solo) and a fumble recovery which he returned 56 yards for a touchdown.

SPECIAL TEAMS:  Kyle Trella,  Trinity: Averaged 45.6 yards per punt (long of 54) and placed two punts inside the Birmingham-Southern 10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on October 31, 2011, 09:22:07 PM

What's everybody's take on the Centre-Trinity clash this weekend?
I miss the SCAC...the teams, the fans and campuses...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2011, 11:21:33 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on October 31, 2011, 09:22:07 PM

What's everybody's take on the Centre-Trinity clash this weekend?
I miss the SCAC...the teams, the fans and campuses...

Hey DPUFan, I'm sure the SCAC office would be happy to hear from y'all if you want to come back  ;)

Going to be interesting.  Trinity D just got through doing a pretty good job on the top offense in the league (holding them to about half their scoring output and about 2/3rds total yardage) and will have to do it again this week.   If you look at the stats, Centre has the edge offensively (especially scoring, 35.1 to 28.5 ppg), Trinity defensively (especially scoring, 9.1 to 17.4 ppga)

Pinque and Scotton are a tough 1-2 punch for the Colonels (1100 yds so far) and Osterman's not flashy but gets it done at QB.    Centre may be the only team in the league that can give Trinity a run in special teams, with Jordan Gay hitting all 31 PATs and 9-11 on FGs.   Gay also handles the punts and leads the league in punting by a scant 0.1 yard over Trinity's Trella.   Defensively, Centre's Matt Crick is their Tyler Barrett, with 4 INTs and 6 PBUs to Barrett's 5 and 3.   Nyk McKissick leads SCAC starting QBs in passing efficiency and his accuracy has been a big factor in Trinity normally winning the turnover battle - but Centre is slightly better in that category.   Granchelli and Desmond King are solid out of the backfield but have not had quite the production as their Centre counterparts. 

Playing the game in SA will be an advantage for Trinity, and this will be the second week in a row for both Centre to be on the road and Trinity to be at home.  Centre perhaps was looking forward to this week when they struggled past Millsaps, as Trinity could have been when they struggled two weeks ago at LaGrange.  Weather should not be a factor with a high in the low 80s and no chance of rain.   Trinity's field is in good condition - there have been no mudfests this season (sadly with our drought).

It should be a good game.  If the Trinity defense plays as well as I've seen them this year, and continues to get the key turnovers, they'll have a good chance of winning on Saturday, but this promises to be the toughest opponent Trinity has faced this season and a funny bounce or untimely turnover could easily swing things the other way.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on November 01, 2011, 07:35:36 AM
Nice update on Trinity former All-SCAC linebacker Andrew Clavenna:

http://web.trinity.edu/x17324.xml

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on November 01, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
I've seen Trinity on live streaming and Centre in person both v. the Sewanee Tigers. I'm going with Centre in this one. Centre's passing game and kicking game give them the edge.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 01, 2011, 01:43:43 PM
QuoteHey DPUFan, I'm sure the SCAC office would be happy to hear from y'all if you want to come back 

haha...thanks, Ron...and thanks for the Centre-Trinity preview. Of course, you can't overlook the officiating in San Antonio.  ;) Sorry couldn't resist.

One other question...what's happening at Sewanee? Are they begining to put things together on The Mountain?

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2011, 04:24:09 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on November 01, 2011, 01:29:03 PM
I've seen Trinity on live streaming and Centre in person both v. the Sewanee Tigers. I'm going with Centre in this one. Centre's passing game and kicking game give them the edge.

Let's dig into that a bit more :)

Passing Offense: 
Centre:  177.3 ypg
Trinity:  168.6 ypg
Advantage:  Centre, +8.7 ypg (~5%)

Rushing Offense
Centre:  176.6 ypg
Trinity:  170.4 ypg
Advantage:  Centre, +6.2 ypg (~4%)

Points scored:
Centre:  35.1 ppg
Trinity:  28.5 ppg
Advantage:  Centre, +7.4 ppg (~25%)

Red Zone Offense:
Centre:  87.9% (153 points on 33 opportunities, 4.64 points/possession)
Trinity:  96.2% (126 points on 26 opportunities, 4.84 points/possession)
Advantage:  Trinity (slight)

Punting:
Centre:  42.4 avg / 38.7 net
Trinity:  42.2 avg / 37.5 net
Advantage:  Centre 0.2 (<1%) / 1.2 yds (~3%)

Kickoffs:
Centre:  61.5 avg / 44.0 net
Trinity:  58.5 avg / 38.9 net
Advantage:  Centre 3.0 (~5%) / 5.1 yds (~15%)

Placekicking:
Centre:  31-31 PAT / 9-11 FGA
Trinity:  28-29 PAT / 8-12 FGA
Advantage:  Centre

All true, Centre is a few percentage points better in most categories, somewhat more than that in net kickoff coverage and field goals, and has a significant advantage in scoring.  So, if we could ignore the other part of the equation, you might be right (ignoring for a moment Trinity's home field advantage).  But ... there are two sides to every story, and this one's no different: 

Rushing defense:
Centre:   153.7 ypg
Trinity:  107.9 ypg
Advantage:  Trinity, -45.8 ypg (~30%)

Passing defense:
Centre:  161.7 ypg
Trinity:  134.0 ypg
Advantage:  Trinity, -27.7 ypg (~15%)

Points allowed:
Centre:  17.4 ppg
Trinity:  9.1 ppg
Advantage:  Trinity, -8.3 ppg (~45%)

Red zone defense:
Trinity:  73.3% (51 points on 15 opportunities, 3.40 points/possession)
Centre:  85.0% (93 points on 20 opportunities, 4.65 points/possession)
Advantage:  Trinity (significant)

Turnover margin:
Centre:  +2.00
Trinity:  +1.75
Advantage:  Centre, +0.25 (~15%)

Trinity owns most defensive categories, the exception being turnover margin.

The nice thing about these comparisons is that, this late in the season, they are significant.  Both teams have played just about everyone in conference except each other (TU has Austin next week, CC has Rhodes), and the non-conference slates are comparable.  Centre beat a really good W&L team in week 1, Trinity a very good Huntingdon squad, both of which are still in the hunt for a playoff bid. 

Net-net:  it should be a really good game.   ;)  The conference championship on the line, Trinity wants to give the Colonels a going-away present for bailing on the SCAC, Centre wanting to do the same for Trinity before heading to the SAA plus get their first playoff bid in recent history, all that stuff. 

Quote from: D3_DPUFan on November 01, 2011, 01:43:43 PM

haha...thanks, Ron...and thanks for the Centre-Trinity preview. Of course, you can't overlook the officiating in San Antonio.  ;) Sorry couldn't resist.

One other question...what's happening at Sewanee? Are they begining to put things together on The Mountain?


Hey, I forgot about the officiating  :o

Seriously, though, yes, the Mountain Men are getting it going under their new coach.  They almost beat Millsaps in Jackson, had a lead on Birmingham-Southern in the second half, and pounded a Rhodes team that had won 3 of 4 after changing starting QBs.   And, of course, you know what they did to DPU.  They were respectable against both Trinity and Centre on the road, losing by 14 to CC and 18 to TU. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 01, 2011, 04:34:14 PM
Outstanding...thanks, Ron...should be a good one. And great to hear things are turning at Sewanee...beautiful campus, setting, history...would be nice to see them enjoy some success.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bill McCabe on November 01, 2011, 04:42:22 PM
Ron, like most games, this one will probably come down to defense, turnovers and kicking game.
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Post by: awadelewis on November 01, 2011, 11:31:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2011, 04:24:09 PM
Seriously, though, yes, the Mountain Men are getting it going under their new coach. 
Seeing some good things from our hire of Coach Laurendine.  I didn't really have high expectations given how late the hire was and not having time to get a coaching staff in place.  But the triple option offense that we've been running is a good fit for the our talent and the team looks to have bought into the system. This weekend is the first opportunity I've had to get up to Sewanee to see them play in person. First time in a while that I suspect that I'll spend as much time watching the game as I do visiting people in the stands.
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Post by: Shoreman on November 02, 2011, 06:37:59 AM
Great analysis Ron.  Will weather be an issue. Looking at the forecast it looks like it might be in the 80's on game day.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2011, 09:57:29 AM
Should be a brilliant Indian Summer afternoon.  NWS is (now) saying 76 and low humidity, shouldn't give either team any problems.   Winds could be a factor, out of the south 5-15 mph with gusts to 20.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 02, 2011, 11:56:35 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2011, 09:57:29 AM
Should be a brilliant Indian Summer afternoon.  NWS is (now) saying 76 and low humidity, shouldn't give either team any problems.   Winds could be a factor, out of the south 5-15 mph with gusts to 20.

Would love to see this one.  But will be moving into our house this weekend in SA.   Hopefully there will be a playoff game to catch in a couple of weeks.

GO TU!!!
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2011, 12:02:18 PM
Here's a Centre preview:  http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/news/1112/fb_trinity_preview_11-1_11.html

The Colonels are playing for their first post-season action since 1921, according to the article. 

EDIT:   Local TV station KSAT actually had a short report last night on the game:  http://www.ksat.com/video/29670997/ and yes, they are practicing on the baseball field.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on November 03, 2011, 03:43:04 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2011, 12:02:18 PM
Here's a Centre preview:  http://www.centre.edu/web/athletics/football/news/1112/fb_trinity_preview_11-1_11.html

The Colonels are playing for their first post-season action since 1921, according to the article. 

EDIT:   Local TV station KSAT actually had a short report last night on the game:  http://www.ksat.com/video/29670997/ and yes, they are practicing on the baseball field.
From the one of the best teams in the country to a drought that rivals the Chicago Cubbies.

All right.

Division III Jeopardy

History for $1000
The answer is ...
The "12th Man"
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: abnrgr on November 03, 2011, 05:45:33 PM
For all those seniors who read this board remember this is the last time you probably will suit up.

Do not let one second of your last game escape you. Play like it is your last heart beat.

Listen to Vide Cor Meum right before the game.

Congratulations and graduate
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2011, 06:00:56 PM
Good sentiments, abnrgr, but most SCAC teams have one more game after this week.   ;)  Only Sewanee plays their last game on Saturday, and those seniors should take great pride in sticking with the program during the lean years and getting it back on track for bigger things as they head to the SAA. 

Back to CC-TU:  Here's Trinity's preview:  http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2011-12/files/FB09.pdf

The SCAC has audio interviews with Coach Fry of Centre and TU defensive coordinator Dawson:  http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/centre_trinity_preview
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2011, 12:17:43 AM
Quote from: abnrgr on November 03, 2011, 05:45:33 PM
For all those seniors who read this board remember this is the last time you probably will suit up.

Do not let one second of your last game escape you. Play like it is your last heart beat.

Listen to Vide Cor Meum right before the game.

Congratulations and graduate

Keith McMillan has a take on this in today's columns:

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/index
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2011, 02:35:52 PM
Here's the Danville Advocate-Messenger preview (http://www.centralkynews.com/amnews/sports/amn-centre-football-unbeatens-centre-trinity-playing-for-scac-title-playoff-berth-20111104,0,7183432.story) for tomorrow's game in San Antonio.

Coach Frye observes that Trinity 2011 isn't the dominant team of past years, and further says that the home-field advantage tomorrow isn't all that since it's not D1.  Maybe even he's right; we'll find out tomorrow. 
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Post by: Ralph Turner on November 04, 2011, 03:09:45 PM
Trinity is always hard to beat at Stevens.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 02:21:41 PM
Nice day for the game today in SA, but a bit breezy so wind could be a factor.  70-75 or so.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 02:44:11 PM
Centre misses a 45-yard FG on their first possession, Trinity three and out.  After a 70 yard punt the Colonels start at their 20.  7:05 1st.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 02:55:21 PM
Scoreless after one.  Trinity crosses midfield for initial first down on last play of quarter.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 03:03:37 PM
Centre holds on a fourth down inside their 30.  A dropped pass inside the 10 on third down hurt.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 03:09:27 PM
Centre strikes first with a 73-yard drive totally on the ground.  7-0 Colonels, 7:29 2nd.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 03:13:23 PM
Centre gets a big sack and a stop, will start at TU 42.
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Post by: PrayingColonel on November 05, 2011, 03:22:13 PM
Centre 14 - Trinity 0.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 03:24:19 PM
and take advantage with 1:35 left with Pinque scoring from 6 yards out.  14-0.
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Post by: PrayingColonel on November 05, 2011, 03:31:10 PM
Nice 2 min drill by Trinity. Great route and throw Centre 14 - Trinity 7.
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Post by: PrayingColonel on November 05, 2011, 04:07:04 PM
20 yard half back pass. Nice call. No one within 15 yards of him. Trinity 14 - Centre 14. 9:40 left in 3Q.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:07:31 PM
after an exchange of punts, Trinity scores on a WR pass to Walker from 20 Yards out.  Tied at 14, 9:40 3rd.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:16:00 PM
Trinity holds Centre to a three and out, drive 55 yards with Grancelli scoring from 1 yard out.  PAT is blocked.  TU takes first lead of the day, 20-14, 5:23 3rd.
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Post by: PrayingColonel on November 05, 2011, 04:16:04 PM
Trinity WR is abusing our secondary. Trinity 20- Centre 14. Blocked PAT.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:39:19 PM
Tigers get a stop on 4th down on their 18.  9:30 to play.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:42:03 PM
three and out.  Colonels have ball near midfield, 8:07.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:47:26 PM
exchange of punts.  Centre ball at their 40, 4:57 left.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2011, 04:48:26 PM
Thanks Ron.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:50:55 PM
On fourth and ten at their 40 Centre calls their final timeout.  3:48
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:52:43 PM
Puscharik gets a finger on the pass and Trinity takes over.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:54:26 PM
Facing a third and two, Trinity calls a timeout.  2:07
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:56:37 PM
Centre holds and will get one last chance.   TU takes a delay, 1:18.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:57:36 PM
Centre starts at their 20.  1:10 and no timeouts.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 04:59:48 PM
pass complete to 40, now 32.  0'43
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 05:01:58 PM
Tigers have dropped two ints  so far.  At 19 with 15 left.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 05:04:48 PM
fourth down pass falls incomplete.  Trinity holds on, 20-14.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 05:31:23 PM
Very surprised that Centre went for the one fourth down deep in Trinity territory trailing by 6 midway thru 4th.  The CC PK is very good and with the wind at his back a 36 yard attempt seemed well in his range.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 05:35:38 PM
and for those who like to bring up officiating:  zero penalties called on the Colonels today (Trinity, 5-60).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 05, 2011, 05:52:53 PM
Not sure what game Ron was watching. There were no int's dropped on final drive. Centre drove down the field but out of timeouts and 4th down on 20 with 8 seconds left Osterman scrambled and found Pinque at about 15 but incomplete and probably wouldn't have scored from there. At the end of the game a Trinity Assistant Coach sprinted over to Centre sideline and shouted something at their players and coaches. Nice sportsmanship. He was taken away by AD and should be fired.
But Trinity has a great defense and is deserving of the final SCAC Championship. Good Luck to Centre next week and hopefully a win still gets them in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 05, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
Nice win for the Trinity Tigers today. Defending home field for the last time in the SCAC. Once again, the Black Flag steps it up and makes the stop at the critical moments.  Granchelli carries the rushing load again and two QB's throw TD passes.

Take care of business this week and get the "W" in Sherman next week. Hope the Tigers will get a crack at LC and not UMHB in the playoffs. We're overdue for an NCAA playoff victory, y'all!

Go TU. Get yourselves a ring in 2011 ...  8-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2011, 07:30:54 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 05, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
Nice win for the Trinity Tigers today. Defending home field for the last time in the SCAC. Once again, the Black Flag steps it up and makes the stop at the critical moments.  Granchelli carries the rushing load again and two QB's throw TD passes.

Take care of business this week and get the "W" in Sherman next week. Hope the Tigers will get a crack at LC and not UMHB in the playoffs. We're overdue for an NCAA playoff victory, y'all!

Go TU. Get yourselves a ring in 2011 ...  8-)

Gonna be McM if anyone, TigerDad ... big win today over LC and they were already #5 in the regional rankings.

And re what game I was watching, PC, it was the one where Tiger defenders had their hands on the ball twice in the final CC drive but couldn't haul the ball in either time.  It was also the game where something unfortunate appeared to happen with one of TU's coaches and I trust the administration to handle the situation appropriately.  I would invite you to contact Bob King directly with your concerns. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 05, 2011, 08:29:07 PM
The way that the bracket is lining up, it looks like #5 McMurry at #4 Trinity.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 06, 2011, 08:49:53 AM
Barring something very unusual next week, Ralph, yes it does.  I do wonder if Trinity's defeat of regionally ranked Centre combined with one less loss and similar SOS might elevate them over Wesley this week in the regional rankings, but that matchup seems set in stone.  And after Wesley plays Huntingdon and Trinity plays Austin, Wesley will have a big SOS advantage anyway.

Speaking of SOS:  SCAC with three teams in top 30 (Centre 5, BSC 24, Trinity 28).   Huntingdon is still #1 and that won't change with their Wesley encounter next week. 

Other results yesterday in the penultimate week of SCAC football competition:

@Sewanee 27, Austin 13:  Mountain Men end their season on a high note to finish at .500 for the first time since 2005.  Congratulations to Coach Laurendine and all of the Tiger players, staff, and fans.    Austin's only chance to avoid a winless 2011 is to defeat Trinity next weekend in Sherman. 

@Birmingham-Southern 54, Rhodes 0:  The Panthers returned home and took out the frustrations of last week's loss on Jekyll-and-Hyde Rhodes, who after playing strongly in mid-season have gone into a dive as the year comes to an end.   The Lynx were 0-of-12 on third down as starting QB Brett Stoots (8-of-17, 49 yards, 3 INTs) was replaced after suffering his third interception on the opening drive of the second half.  Shawn Morris had 177 yards, including an 83-yard TD scamper, to virtually guarantee  the SCAC rushing championship. 

@Tarleton State 44, Millsaps 3:  D2 Tarleton State improved to .500 with an easy win over the visiting Majors.   An early interception set up Millsaps with a 3-0 lead, but it was all Texans after that.   According to the Tarleton box, the Majors did not have the services of their starting QB, Garrett Pinciotti; Konner Joplin started and was 17 of 37 for 180 yards and 1 interception.   Millsaps did not gain a first down on the ground all day as they were limited to 61 yards on 29 carries.

Worth noting :( that the Centre men's soccer team got revenge for the football brethren yesterday with a 1-0 OT upset of formerly undefeated Trinity in the SCAC conference championship semis.    Trinity should qualify for a Pool C bid, but the loss will cost them home-field advantage in the upcoming playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 06, 2011, 09:15:08 AM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 05, 2011, 06:51:50 PM
Nice win for the Trinity Tigers today. Defending home field for the last time in the SCAC. Once again, the Black Flag steps it up and makes the stop at the critical moments.  Granchelli carries the rushing load again and two QB's throw TD passes.

Take care of business this week and get the "W" in Sherman next week. Hope the Tigers will get a crack at LC and not UMHB in the playoffs. We're overdue for an NCAA playoff victory, y'all!

Go TU. Get yourselves a ring in 2011 ...  8-)
Trinity playing McM could get interesting, of course the committee has to pick them first. If they do,the only good thing to come out of it for Trinity is a home game. McM has a very good team with coaches that make good in game adjustments.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 06, 2011, 08:05:35 PM
Quoteand for those who like to bring up officiating:  zero penalties called on the Colonels today (Trinity, 5-60).

Amazing!  ;) Congrats to the Tigers on a big win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2011, 11:07:45 AM
Quiet board this week, and I'm sad to see our Centre rep has not put in another appearance.  CC still has a big game today which can vault them into the playoffs for the first time in the D3 era:

Rhodes (3-5, 1-4) at Centre (7-1, 4-1):  This would not seem to be a serious challenge for the Colonels, who will be looking to make a statement after last week's tough loss.  The Lynx QB situation is back up in the air as Brett Stoots has struggled to show his early season form in recent games.   Expect a heavy helping of Johnathan Pinque, with sides of Monte Scotton and Tyler Ostermann as Centre works to secure their first post-season action since the 1920s. 

Trinity (9-0, 5-0) at Austin (0-9, 0-5):  A game that should not be close has trap written all over it.  Tigers struggled earlier this year on the road against a sub-.500 opponent (LaGrange), though there were extenuating circumstances with Coach Mohr not making that trip.    Roos would love nothing better than to spoil Trinity's first undefeated regular season in years.  Interesting trivia fact:  Field goal kickers are 17-17 in AC's games this season; Roo PK Anderson 8-8, opponents 9-9. 

Birmingham-Southern (6-2, 3-2) at Millsaps (4-5, 3-2):  Winner locks up sole possession of third place in the SCAC's final season of football for at least a while.   Panthers coming off huge win over Rhodes last week, while Majors trying to recover from loss to D2 Tarleton State.   Question of the day:  will Millsaps have the services of QB Garett Pinciotti, or will Konner Joplin get the start?

Good luck to all teams, and special good wishes and thanks to the seniors who are playing their last games today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on November 12, 2011, 02:31:09 PM
Looks like the video is not working from TU today.  Following the live stats from Honolulu!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 12, 2011, 02:57:06 PM
Centre 27 - Rhodes 0 at half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 12, 2011, 02:57:33 PM
Halftime

Trinity  7
AC  0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 12, 2011, 03:31:26 PM
9:10 left in 3rd Q.

Trinity  7
AC  3
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 12, 2011, 03:32:44 PM
Ron, good call on your pregame today. Pinque has scored twice, Scotten with some nice runs and Osterman has thrown 3 td's to Osterman. It's 34-0 with 8:20 left in 3Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 12, 2011, 03:47:02 PM

2:41 left in 3rd Q.

Trinity 7
AC  6
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 12, 2011, 03:56:06 PM
Stoots with 2 td passes and its now Centre 34- Rhodes 14. 13:46 left in the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 12, 2011, 04:07:23 PM
Osterman with about an 80 yard run, tackled at 5. Then Pinque scored next play. Centre 41 - Rhodes 14. 8:50 to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2011, 04:09:33 PM
Mckissic with his 3rd pick of the day, only the second his fault. 8 minutes left Austin college driving at their 42. Still 7-6
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 12, 2011, 04:14:27 PM
Stoots with another td pass. Centre 41 - Rhodes 21. 5:12 left in game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 12, 2011, 04:15:20 PM
TU webcast never got off the ground today?!  AC live in-game stats is slow but works.  With 4 minutes remaining, TU has the ball on their own 29 clinging to a 7-6 lead.  Ouch.   :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 12, 2011, 04:17:00 PM
After two picks in the fourth, looks like Trinity is going 100% with Granchelli ground-and-pound to eat up the clock and preserve the win.  Hope it's enough ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2011, 04:17:12 PM
Huge 3rd down for Trinity. 3rd and 5. 1:50 left in the game. Austin College has one timeout left.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2011, 04:18:44 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 12, 2011, 04:15:20 PM
TU webcast never got off the ground today?!  AC live in-game stats is slow but works.  With 4 minutes remaining, TU has the ball on their own 29 clinging to a 7-6 lead.  Ouch.   :-\

I had to buy the single game pass from Austin Colleges broadcast. $7.99 but because of the audio problems we get a full refund :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2011, 04:19:54 PM
Huge stop by the Austin college defense. 4th and half a yard or 1 at the 50. Time out by Austin college can't tell if Trinity is going to punt or not
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2011, 04:21:16 PM
Trella's punt goes into the end zone. 1:42 starting at their own 20 yard line.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 12, 2011, 04:21:45 PM
Thanks for the updates ... so frustrating.  TU punts and AC takes over at their own 20 w under 2 minutes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2011, 04:22:28 PM
3rd and 6 one minute left
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 12, 2011, 04:24:15 PM
TU intercepts and that should do it!  Whew ... WAY too close.

(Excuse me, but isn't this the third game this year that the Black Flag saved with a last second INT??!?)

Congratulations to the AC 'Roos on a job well done today ... can't believe they were winless and almost took down the TU Tigers today.

CONGRATULATIONS (narrowly) to our Trinity Tigers ... undefeated and the last and final and sole SCAC Football Champions!  NICE WORK, TIGERS.  Better bring your 'A' game for the playoffs, men.

;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2011, 04:24:54 PM
Interception on 2nd down by linebacker Thomas Puskarich. 35 seconds now left. Terrible offensive day for the Tigers. Wind might have been a factor but tons of wide-open dropped balls. Defense once again was staunch.

Offense will really have to step it up if they hope to do anything against McMurry or Mary Hardin Baylor next week. Congrats on being 10-0 though, Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 12, 2011, 04:25:35 PM
Congrats on 10-0 Trinity!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 12, 2011, 04:26:14 PM
Final -  7-6 Trinity  :-[
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 12, 2011, 04:30:25 PM
Centre running clock out, fumble scooped up by Rhodes, then td pass and it's 41-28.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 12, 2011, 04:33:41 PM
Its over in Danville Centre 41 - Rhodes 28. Hopefully 8-1 is good enough to get Centre in the playoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2011, 04:53:58 PM
Quote from: PrayingColonel on November 12, 2011, 04:33:41 PM
Its over in Danville Centre 41 - Rhodes 28. Hopefully 8-1 is good enough to get Centre in the playoffs.

Centre will be the second Pool C team out of the South (edit;  unless McMurry loses, but they seem to have righted the ship against Miss Coll), but all indications are that should be good enough.   Congratulations either way on a fine season so far. 

Wow - I left with Trinity up 7-0, driving for their second TD and totally dominating AC defensively and they almost end up losing.  4 turnovers will do that.  Hope the guys can pull it together for next week - not how you want to go into the playoffs.

BSC defeated Millsaps 35-21.  Pinciotti did get the start for the Majors (31-53, 242 yds, 3 TDs, 3 INTs) but the story of the game was from the likely SCAC Offensive Player of the Year, Shawn Morris.  Morris had 332 yards on 35 carries and 3 TDs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 12, 2011, 05:33:07 PM
Ron you don't think Hampton Sydney's loss, as well as Huntingdon's absolute annihilation by Wesley will prove bad for Centre?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2011, 05:45:30 PM
You mean W&L's loss?  Well, neither are a help, but they're still a one-loss team and there just aren't many of those out there in Pool C.   

Pat and company will crunch the numbers and put their best guess out there later tonight.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 12, 2011, 06:19:43 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 12, 2011, 05:33:07 PM
Ron you don't think Hampton Sydney's loss, as well as Huntingdon's absolute annihilation by Wesley will prove bad for Centre?

I don't see how these are connected, to be honest.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 13, 2011, 05:19:21 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Projected Bracket for 2011 Football Playoffs?) 


For three Regions in the Projected Bracket the "magic number" is 9: 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5. Why is the "magic number" 10 for three games in the South Region and 6 for one game in the South: 2 vs 8, 3 vs 7, 4 vs 6 and 1 vs 5? Please don't tell us "travel costs"; that is just another and continuing NCAA load (Gag). Maybe the schools involved would (should?) chip-in ($) to right this wrong after a long/hard football season?




                                                                                            ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2011, 06:23:22 PM
Quote from: etg on November 13, 2011, 05:19:21 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Projected Bracket for 2011 Football Playoffs?) 


For three Regions in the Projected Bracket the "magic number" is 9: 1 vs 8, 2 vs 7, 3 vs 6 and 4 vs 5. Why is the "magic number" 10 for three games in the South Region and 6 for one game in the South: 2 vs 8, 3 vs 7, 4 vs 6 and 1 vs 5? Please don't tell us "travel costs"; that is just another and continuing NCAA load (Gag). Maybe the schools involved would (should?) chip-in ($) to right this wrong after a long/hard football season?




                                                                                            ???

C'mon etg, you've been following this long enough to know that three teams in TX always end up in a four-team pod.  Doesn't make it right, but it's consistent.

Very happy the AA gave TU a home game in the first round ... they've got their work cut out for them against a pass-happy McMurry bunch that wants to prove something before they go to D2.   UMHB no doubt awaits the winner.

Congrats also to Centre; getting a home game in your first-ever NCAA appearance shows you and the SCAC an awful lot of respect.   MUC awaits in the second round, but worry about that later. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 13, 2011, 07:01:30 PM
Well, well ... TU gets the SCAC automatic bid and DOESN'T get nearby UMHB in the first round! Awesome.

The War Hawks will be a challenge to be sure, but here's hoping the Tigers can have a great week and get an NCAA playoff "W" this season.

Congratulations, Tigers, on a great regular season ... keep it rollin'.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DPU3619 on November 13, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
Yeah, I don't know why anybody gets surprised that this happens anymore.  If I was TU fan, I'd just be happy to play anybody other than UMHB.  That alone is a victory.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 13, 2011, 07:12:55 PM
Quote from: Wes Anderson on November 13, 2011, 07:02:29 PM
If I was TU fan, I'd just be happy to play anybody other than UMHB.  That alone is a victory.

Well, Wes, I am a TU fan and, yes, I agree with you. Can't imagine ever WANTING to play the Cru.  The last time TU faced them in 2007, the Cru's defense shut down TU's formidable rushing attack and left the Tigers in their dust.  Salinas and Freeman were impenetrable.  I have my reasons for remembering that part of the game. ;)

Here's wishing the Tigers a victory at E.M. Stevens.  Go Tigers!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 13, 2011, 07:45:50 PM
Wow! Didn't expect that Centre would get a home game. Very excited for the team, the school and the Alumni. It's been a long time.Congrats to Trinity as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 14, 2011, 03:06:47 PM
What exactly are the rules regarding the number of players allowed to suit up for games? I know that there is a strict 52 man roster but I have also heard that each team is allowed a certain amount of "substitute backups" for specialists? I know this applies in soccer as well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 14, 2011, 10:00:18 PM
http://www.d3football.com/interactive/faq/playoffs#10
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 16, 2011, 07:26:26 AM
Predictions for post season honors:

Offensive Player of the Year:  Shawn Morris, BSC.  With shorter games all over the country due to the NCAA's new clock stoppage rule, there are far fewer 1000 yard rushers, 1000 yard receivers, or 2000 yard passers.  Touchdowns are way down as well.  Not for Morris.  What an incredible performance this year.

Defensive Player of the Year:  Ben Robinson, TU.  It has to be someone from this unit, which performed at a level beyond belief this year, particularly late in the season.  With 11.5 tackles for loss, he's absolutely a difference maker.

Special Teams Player of the Year:  Jordan Gay, Centre.  TU's punter was pretty good too, but by doing the place kicking and punting, he helped his team tremendously, not to mention was among the league leaders in both categories.

Coach Of the Year:   Steve Mohr, TU.  I know he's won this award many times, but he has never earned it as much as he did this year by bringing this team back to championship level only one year removed from a completely disastrous season with pretty much the same personnel. 

In the playoffs, it seems like Centre is the team with the momentum.  TU is going to need better passing if they want to keep McMurry from scoring.  They have to do a better job of holding the ball, while Centre just needs to keep up what they've been doing.  The Tigers still, however, are the champs because of defense, which is their reason to believe this week. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2011, 07:45:01 AM
Excellent post, '98.   

The only place I could see the voting going differently is CoTY.   Coach Mohr has done an incredible job at Trinity - nobody expected them to be any more than another .500 team - and is a worthy candidate and recipient.   Coach Laurendine at Sewanee engineered a big turnaround on the mountain, and, depending on when the voting actually takes place and the results on Saturday, Coach Frye at Centre might also pick up some votes.  The Colonels have a very winnable game in the first round. 

Coach Mohr gets my vote, but it's hard to say how the conference coaches vote in their last year as a community. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 17, 2011, 10:31:32 AM
I would agree with the vote for Coach Mohr.  10-0 and conference champs should get the nod.

Ron, because you follow D3 football so closely and especially Trinity, how do you see Saturday's McM-TU game turning out?  As an McM alum and new TU staff member, I think it will be a real good game.  I was just interested in your perspective.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2011, 11:07:22 AM
Don't follow it as much these days, but McM is an offensive juggernaut, Blue Devil, and the TU secondary is going to have to be at its absolute best and win the turnover battle on Saturday.   Also playing into things is the injury to Mullin.  The backup QB is capable but Mullin is a huge talent for D3.  As a soph two years ago he threw for close to 500 yards against Trinity....

Offensively, I hope we will open up the playbook a bit on Saturday.  We have allowed the defense to win games (with several game ending INTs or turnovers on downs in close situations) but against someone like the War Hawks are going to need to put some points on the board and try to keep the ball out of their hands.   There were a lot of three-and-outs against Centre; if I remember there was only one non-scoring drive where there was a first down.  Four turnovers last week at Austin?  Simply cannot do those kinds of things against McMurry and hope to win.   

Playing in SA is always good for Trinity, and McM doesn't play much on grass as including them 6 of 9 ASC teams have turf.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 17, 2011, 05:19:40 PM
Ron, that is a great analysis.  Trinity will have to open things up, I agree.   I also think they need to control the clock as well though with their running game.  I talked to some Trinity players today.  They are well aware of the challenge in front of them.  I think it is going to be  great game and I am looking forward to it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 17, 2011, 06:55:14 PM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on November 17, 2011, 05:19:40 PM
Ron, that is a great analysis.  Trinity will have to open things up, I agree.   I also think they need to control the clock as well though with their running game.  I talked to some Trinity players today.  They are well aware of the challenge in front of them.  I think it is going to be  great game and I am looking forward to it.
Any thoughts that you can share with an old friend, offline?   ;)

Thanks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 17, 2011, 09:31:09 PM
I really don't think that TU needs to open up any more than they have.  Against Centre, Austin, and even Millsaps, Trinity went for the throat a few times late in the game with the lead, but the players haven't made the plays.  Then the clock stops and everyone is wishing they had just handed off.  In each of those games, the opponent has been driving for a potential win on their last possession.

A few receivers have done some good things this year, but haven't always come through.  With the lack of production in the clutch, I think it's a testament to how good the defense is.  It's not a case of bad opponents, as Centre, BSC, and Huntingdon have all met the same fate with rip-roaring offenses.

Bottom line- Trinity needs to make plays on offense in the second half and continue their defensive performance.  They can win but so can McMurry.   

   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2011, 10:54:57 PM
In between innumerable articles about UTSA, the Express-News so kindly had an story today on McM and Hal Mumme (http://blog.mysanantonio.com/the-local-scene/2011/11/mcmurrys-mumme-playing-at-home-on-the-road/).   Maybe tomorrow they will actually have something about the home team in the matchup.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2011, 10:58:25 AM
Jason Bowen returns with a story on the TU defense:  Don't call it the Black Flag (http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2011/not-the-black-flag).  Thanks, Jason!

(nothing from the E-N today)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 18, 2011, 03:47:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2011, 10:58:25 AM
Jason Bowen returns with a story on the TU defense:  Don't call it the Black Flag (http://www.d3football.com/playoffs/2011/not-the-black-flag).  Thanks, Jason!

(nothing from the E-N today)

Great article.  I have a funny feeling this game might come down to what the author suggested. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 12:30:34 PM
Osterman to Melillo and Osterman to Osterman. Centre up 14-0 with 4 min to go in 1st Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2011, 12:35:34 PM
This has the makings of a monkey-stomp.  Centre 20-0  1Q 2:40 left
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 12:35:51 PM
Scotten 8 yard td run. Bad snap/hold missed ep. Centre 20-0. 2 min left in 1 Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 12:45:02 PM
HSC just answered with a td throw of their own. Missed ep. Very windy today. Centre 20- HSC 6. Just started 2nd Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 01:03:29 PM
HSC with another td pass. Centre 20 - HSC 13 with 7:19 left in 2Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 01:11:13 PM
Osterman to Janeway for another td. Centre 27 - HSC 13. 4 min left in 2Q.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 01:21:12 PM
HSC answered with  a td pass. Centre 27-20 with 1 min to go in the 1st Half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 01:25:23 PM
Its hard to keep up with all of this scoring. Scotten just ripped off a long run for a Centre td with 25 seconds left in half. 34-20.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 02:00:33 PM
Osterman td to Coomer to start the 2nd half. Centre 41 - HSC 20.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 02:17:10 PM
Pass interference on Centre. Ball spotted at 1. HSC scores 2 plays later, off tackle. Centre 41 - HSC 27. HSC is now knocking again with 3:55 left in 3Q.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 02:55:14 PM
48-41 Centre leading with 6 min to go and they have the ball.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: PrayingColonel on November 19, 2011, 03:14:50 PM
Centre wins 51-41.Bring on Mount Union. Ha Ha, never thought I'd say that. Way to go boys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 19, 2011, 04:01:42 PM
Trinity's offense and defense are equally unbelievable, but for opposite reasons.  I would just feel so frustrated if I were on that Tiger defense.  My gosh, they were awesome this year. 

It looks like McKissick just peaked early in the season.  I have to think that with the way the bottom fell out from under him late this year, there's got to be a QB competition next fall. 

Still, what a year!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 19, 2011, 04:59:27 PM
Absolutely unbelievable game today. Trinity has been doubted all season as to whether or not they were legitimate and came out and cemented their status as having one of the top defensive squads in the nation. Their play this season has been incredible and Coach Dawson ought to be proud of the effort given today.

Offensively the Tigers matched McMurry drive for drive, actually having 30 more yards of offense. The game came down to an overthrown 2 point conversion and a punt return for a touchdown. McMurry's special teams definitely stepped up to win this game for them. It's a shame as I truly believe Trinity was the better team, even though both teams shot themselves in the foot multiple times in this one. Four interceptions will almost never amount to a win.

Congratulations to McMurry and I hope they take down the Cru next week. Congratulations to ever Tiger senior - they turned this program around this year and truly were a great team.

Great webcast by Trinity's staff today. I know the McMurry video was down and I think the two men (one was a player I believe?) doing the webcast did a very nice job keeping level heads and showing appreciation to both teams!

Good luck to Centre next week against Mount Union!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2011, 05:04:38 PM
tigerguy, TU did play well, but are you aware that McMurry's all-conference QB was on the bench?

Second-team QB Stephen Warren made his first start of the season.

We had 17 special team points taken off the board...

--A long FG due to an offsides penalty

--A blocked punt that got booted out of the end zone and preserved TU with a touchback.

--Another punt return for a TD recalled due to a penalty.

TU had a FG nullified by a penalty.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2011, 05:09:08 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 19, 2011, 04:59:27 PM
Absolutely unbelievable game today. Trinity has been doubted all season as to whether or not they were legitimate and came out and cemented their status as having one of the top defensive squads in the nation. Their play this season has been incredible and Coach Dawson ought to be proud of the effort given today.

Offensively the Tigers matched McMurry drive for drive, actually having 30 more yards of offense. The game came down to an overthrown 2 point conversion and a punt return for a touchdown. McMurry's special teams definitely stepped up to win this game for them. It's a shame as I truly believe Trinity was the better team, even though both teams shot themselves in the foot multiple times in this one. Four interceptions will almost never amount to a win.

Congratulations to McMurry and I hope they take down the Cru next week. Congratulations to ever Tiger senior - they turned this program around this year and truly were a great team.

Great webcast by Trinity's staff today. I know the McMurry video was down and I think the two men (one was a player I believe?) doing the webcast did a very nice job keeping level heads and showing appreciation to both teams!

Good luck to Centre next week against Mount Union!

As for complimenting the broadcasters, you gotta be careful because that Edwards guy, the old man on the broadcast,  will let it go to his head and then he has to be brought back to earth by his lovely bride!   ;D ;) :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 19, 2011, 05:16:03 PM
Ralph,

I am in no way denying McMurry was not their usual force without Mullin, but Stephen Warren is no trash QB. (Transfer from  D2 Valdosta State) Trinity's secondary was absolutely staunch in their coverage downfield, giving nothing to Warren. Except for one play in the 3rd quarter there was almost no blown coverage. McMurry's secondary played just as brilliantly.

You cannot justify the 3 points due to the long field goal as the kick was never made, and the blocked punt was not "taken off the board," since it was the hustle by the Trinity specialists that caused the fumble into the end zone. The only play truly questionable was the first punt TD return. The block in the back call was indeed iffy...

Overall it was a great game, but in my opinion Trinity's blunders were more costly than McMurry's. Even without Mullin, McMurry is still an offensive force to be reckoned with and the defense played great
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2011, 05:36:02 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2011, 05:04:38 PM
tigerguy, TU did play well, but are you aware that McMurry's all-conference QB was on the bench?

Second-team QB Stephen Warren made his first start of the season.

We had 17 special team points taken off the board...

--A long FG due to an offsides penalty

--A blocked punt that got booted out of the end zone and preserved TU with a touchback.

--Another punt return for a TD recalled due to a penalty.

TU had a FG nullified by a penalty.
My bad!  That post was not considerate!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on November 19, 2011, 06:31:30 PM
It was a really great game and I think two pretty evenly matched teams.  I was impressed again with Trinity's defense and really thought that Mykissic started off real well, but did struggle with consistency as the game progressed.  Both teams played hard and never gave up.  As with most big games, turnovers and special teams was the difference. There was an unsung hero in my eyes.  When McMurry scored their second half TD, they got some key runs by Austin Brooks.  It was the right change of pace at the right time.  Anyway, a real entertaining game and was proud to be a Warhawk and a Tiger today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2011, 08:55:46 PM
OK, finally back home.

I would like to echo what several others have said - simply could not ask for a better defensive effort than we saw today from the TU D.  They only allowed one drive over 35 yards today and never, ever, ever gave up.  The War Hawks had decided size advantages across the board (like the LT, 6'7", 305) and the defense just kept bringing it.  Well done, men. 

The offensive inconsistency continued a late-season trend that started with Centre, almost resulted in a loss at Austin, and today finally bit the team.  Yeah, if Biel'd hit that first field goal (the 54-yarder was a heroic effort that fell just short), it could have made a difference with the team being within a single score, but four INTs (after a total of five all year) ... wow.  Yes, the McM secondary IS very good, but four picks is a killer, and especially on the first or second play of a drive as happened three times today (the other was the third play).    McM's speed advantage also made getting any kind of running game going pretty much impossible.

Congrats to McMurry on the win, which will be the last game between the schools for some time and possibly forever. 

Also want to give a shout to the Centre Colonels, and wish you the best of luck in your trip to Alliance next week.  MUC's not quite the impenetrable foe they have been, but they are still a very, very potent opponent. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on November 20, 2011, 06:39:08 PM
QuoteCentre wins 51-41.Bring on Mount Union. Ha Ha, never thought I'd say that. Way to go boys!

Congrats to the Colonels on a big win!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 22, 2011, 05:03:39 PM
Congrats to Trinity's Hagen Kattner for receiving D3's Play of the Week:


http://d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2011/week12
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 22, 2011, 05:29:25 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 22, 2011, 05:03:39 PM
Congrats to Trinity's Hagen Kattner for receiving D3's Play of the Week:


http://d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2011/week12

That catch was a beauty; Kattner's determination to make that catch when the defender had superior position was amazing.

All-SCAC football selections were announced (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/all_scac) today:

Offensive POTY:  Shawn Morris, RB, BSC
Defensive POTY:  Ben Robinson, LB, Trinity
Special Teams POY:  Jordan Gay, P/K, Centre
Newcomers:  Jeff Milner, DE, Millsaps and Justin Tolliver, CB, Rhodes [tie]
Coach of the Year:  Tommy Laurendine, Sewanee and Steve Mohr, Trinity [tie]

Congratulations to all!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TigerDad on November 23, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 22, 2011, 05:03:39 PM
Congrats to Trinity's Hagen Kattner for receiving D3's Play of the Week:
http://d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2011/week12

And, congratulations to Dr. William Campbell of Victoria, Texas ... Bill is the father of injured Trinity OL Justin Campbell ... Bill filmed the TU-McMurry playoff game and posted a highlight reel on YouTube for all to see. 

I was a little disappointed that the D3Football team clipped out the P-O-T-W play including Bill's super-slo-mo version, added the Salem advertisements, but never credited the author/videographer for his fine camera work.  So, I'm doing it here.  Hope y'all will revise the text on the Week 12 Play-of-the-Week to give my friend, Dr. William Campbell, credit where it's due. 

Not being snippy here, y'all just need to credit folks when you borrow their work. IMHO, that is.

And, yes, that was a terrific catch ... fine extra effort by Kattner to snatch that sure interception from the defender's hands.

Happy Thanksgiving to all D3 Football fans ... and good luck to McMurry and/or UMHB in the coming week(s)!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 23, 2011, 10:17:04 PM
Quote from: TigerDad on November 23, 2011, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on November 22, 2011, 05:03:39 PM
Congrats to Trinity's Hagen Kattner for receiving D3's Play of the Week:
http://d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2011/week12

And, congratulations to Dr. William Campbell of Victoria, Texas ... Bill is the father of injured Trinity OL Justin Campbell ... Bill filmed the TU-McMurry playoff game and posted a highlight reel on YouTube for all to see. 

I was a little disappointed that the D3Football team clipped out the P-O-T-W play including Bill's super-slo-mo version, added the Salem advertisements, but never credited the author/videographer for his fine camera work.  So, I'm doing it here.  Hope y'all will revise the text on the Week 12 Play-of-the-Week to give my friend, Dr. William Campbell, credit where it's due. 

Not being snippy here, y'all just need to credit folks when you borrow their work. IMHO, that is.

And, yes, that was a terrific catch ... fine extra effort by Kattner to snatch that sure interception from the defender's hands.

Happy Thanksgiving to all D3 Football fans ... and good luck to McMurry and/or UMHB in the coming week(s)!

Tiger Dad -- that is great that he did that. However, your assumptions here are simply assumptions and are really off-base.

This is what a Trinity coach sent to us, via email. It was not sent to us as a full reel. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5NPFth9cUj4 You can see from the Nov. 21 date on this video that it was created first.

If you want to be snippy at someone, make sure you know your facts first.

I'll be glad not to consider Trinity plays in the future if this is the ill-informed reaction from the "fans" of the program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: purpled on November 24, 2011, 04:25:22 PM
Hello? Is this the Centre board? Anybody home? Was wondering who to watch for Saturday and for those making the trip to A-Town to be safe. Saturday is supposed to be partly sunny and 61 but you'll be in the open stands so be prepared for any type of weather.

Good Luck!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2011, 01:37:01 PM
Centre is doing a creditable job at MUC, trailing 16-3 at the half.  The Colonels had driven to the UMU 21 at the end of the half but a holding penalty and a sack forced them to settle for a 47-yard May field goal. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2011, 01:47:37 PM
Now 16-10 after a nice drive to open the second half, with the brothers Osterman hooking up on about a 20-yd TD play. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2011, 01:56:24 PM
Make that 23-10 after UMU scores on a 7-play, 80 yard drive.

Centre is definitely playing the Mouties tough and have a first down at the UMU 40.

... and on fourth down and the UMU 13, can't complete a pass for the first down.  Darn it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2011, 02:36:11 PM
UMU gets another TD on a short drive aided by two personal fouls on the Colonels.  30-10 with 2:53 left in a game where the final score won't reflect how competitive Centre was today.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2011, 02:42:03 PM
And it's getting chippy in Alliance with another personal foul called on Centre, then, a couple of plays later, unsportsmanlike conduct on the Raiders.    Centre calls a timeout with 1:04 left facing a fourth-and-15 from their 18. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 26, 2011, 03:19:11 PM
Centre failed to convert and Mount Union ran out the clock.   There were several dropped passes in key situations by the Colonels, but a heck of an effort from the SCAC runners up, regardless.   Good luck in the SAA, Centre. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: skunks_sidekick on November 26, 2011, 03:44:18 PM
Major props to Centre today.  They stood toe to toe, and never let the thought of playing the great Mount Union ever throw them off.  That is a nice program, and one of (if not the BEST) kickers I have ever seen.  That kid will be kicking in the NFL some day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: purpled on November 26, 2011, 03:50:47 PM
Centre...you guys played your butts off today! You guys gave us all we could handle!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 03, 2011, 12:57:25 PM
Quote from: purpled on November 26, 2011, 03:50:47 PM
Centre...you guys played your butts off today! You guys gave us all we could handle!

Seeing how UMU is dismantling Wabash today makes Centre's performance last week even more impressive.  17-0 Purple Raiders near halftime with the Little Giants being outgained 190-27.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on December 05, 2011, 06:10:34 AM
Study on college presidents salaries, interesting figures. Millsaps president very high, Rhodes, Sewanee, Centre, very reasonable. Hendrix off the chart.

http://chronicle.com/article/Income-Gap-Widens/129980/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 05, 2011, 10:02:48 AM
Too bad a lot of that's subscriber only - it would be interesting to get more details.  Not to defend Cloyd, but over half his compensation was a one-time (?) deferred compensation paid out during the year surveyed.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on December 05, 2011, 01:02:14 PM
Information for Sewanee, Centre, Millsaps (pretty highly compensated), BSC, Rhodes and Trinity can be gotten off the charts of the article.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on December 05, 2011, 01:15:48 PM

Division 3 Senior Classic at Salem Stadium, Salem, VA

http://www.d3seniorclassic.com/rosters/

Zac Atkins, Sewanee and Jordan Nolan, Millsaps participating
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on December 05, 2011, 05:29:19 PM
All region team posted today

http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-region/2011/d3football-all-south-region-2011.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 07, 2011, 10:35:05 AM
Trinity's Steve Mohr named AFCA South Region Coach of the Year, the fifth time he has been so honored:

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/12-06-11_mohr_afca_rcoty

Congratulations, Coach!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on December 12, 2011, 12:32:33 AM
Jerheme Urban makes a TD catch in traffic for Chiefs vs Jets
Click here: http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Urban-snags-Chiefs-first-TD/33d708d8-9707-4c2d-bff1-d02da5acf6d1 (http://www.kcchiefs.com/media-center/videos/Urban-snags-Chiefs-first-TD/33d708d8-9707-4c2d-bff1-d02da5acf6d1)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2011, 07:01:13 AM
Centre OT Ben Hume was the only SCAC player named to the AFCA All-America Team (http://www.afca.com/article/article.php?id=1209) yesterday.  Congratulations.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Just Bill on December 13, 2011, 12:03:03 PM
The SAA adds Washington Univ. and Univ. of Chicago as affiliate members for football.

http://bearsports.wustl.edu/Sports/Content/Pages/fb12-13-11.aspx
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on December 13, 2011, 12:19:38 PM
I wonder how Trinity feels hearing this news. The University of Chicago is not exactly close to Birmingham AL, let alone Hendrix or Sewanee, so all those ideas about creating a conference tight on travel become just so much noise in the wind.

Very interesting. Pool B shrinks again. I wonder if there will be a Pool B bid in 2015 if no other teams go independent or will it be folded into Pool C...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2011, 12:46:19 PM
Quote from: jknezek on December 13, 2011, 12:19:38 PM
I wonder how Trinity feels hearing this news. The University of Chicago is not exactly close to Birmingham AL, let alone Hendrix or Sewanee, so all those ideas about creating a conference tight on travel become just so much noise in the wind.

Very interesting. Pool B shrinks again. I wonder if there will be a Pool B bid in 2015 if no other teams go independent or will it be folded into Pool C...
There are easy direct flights to ORD from Little Rock, Birmingham, Chattanooga, Jackson, Memphis and Louisville.

SAT is a little harder to get to for those schools.

Besides getting into the Chicago and St Louis markets for alumni and student recruits is much more valuable.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2011, 02:43:02 PM
My guess would be that some of the members of the UAA were willing to consider aligning with the SCAC, but without everyone being willing to go (the two schools heading to the PAC come to mind) the two SAA-bound schools said "why should we go to a conference that won't have a Pool A bid, which is exactly where we are today?"  Even had all four gone in 2015, the SCAC would have had to re-qualify for a Pool A, one more reason perhaps that the UAA schools did what they did.

Pity.  That was probably the one best (only?) hope for a fix to the SCAC's problem in FB.   Wonder if the SCIAC would entertain allowing the SCAC leftovers to affiliate?  Would lead to a nine-game schedule and lots of travel, and maybe the SCIAC schools wouldn't care for that any more than the SAA supposedly does. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on December 13, 2011, 03:31:48 PM
I wonder if the UAA school's offered any $ for travel to the SAA school's, with southwest, flying isn't much more than going on the dog. The whole thing is surprising though, would have thought the ncac would have jumped to 12 and taken in at least two of the UAA school's or the SAA taking all 4 if they got a travel subsidy. As for the scac leftovers, they probably need to affiliate themselves now for football. I would probably try to add 1-2 more texas school's to at least get up to 7 for other sports and keep the geography tight. Or maybe they go out and get UCSC, i like the westminster (utah) pick up if they want to go d3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2011, 03:54:19 PM
Quote from: cush on December 13, 2011, 03:31:48 PM
I wonder if the UAA school's offered any $ for travel to the SAA school's, with southwest, flying isn't much more than going on the dog. The whole thing is surprising though, would have thought the ncac would have jumped to 12 and taken in at least two of the UAA school's or the SAA taking all 4 if they got a travel subsidy. As for the scac leftovers, they probably need to affiliate themselves now for football. I would probably try to add 1-2 more texas school's to at least get up to 7 for other sports and keep the geography tight. Or maybe they go out and get UCSC, i like the westminster (utah) pick up if they want to go d3.
Danville KY to St Louis MO  --  346 miles
Danville KY to San Antonio TX  -- 1128 miles

Birmingham to St Louis MO  -- 507 miles
Birmingham to Chicago IL -- 669 miles
Birmingham to Sherman TX -- 672 miles
Birmingham to San Antonio  TX  --  869 miles

This is a case of "addition by subtraction"!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on December 13, 2011, 03:58:59 PM
Chicago and Wash Uare a nice academic profile fit for the SAA, which leads to better competative balance on the field. Those two schools have extremely high admission standards.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on December 13, 2011, 04:06:40 PM
Texas is a big state. If travel concerns are out the door now, i still wonder if W&L might ever join the saa and if being able to hang out with uchicago and washu now would influence such a move. Also, how long is this affiliation? With hendrix and berry adding football, this will bring the SAA up to 7 + 2 = 9 football school's, so they could still expand.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 13, 2011, 04:59:14 PM
Quote from: cush on December 13, 2011, 04:06:40 PM
Texas is a big state. If travel concerns are out the door now, i still wonder if W&L might ever join the saa and if being able to hang out with uchicago and washu now would influence such a move. Also, how long is this affiliation? With hendrix and berry adding football, this will bring the SAA up to 7 + 2 = 9 football school's, so they could still expand.
I really wonder if W&L would give up the comfortable parameters of the ODAC for the travel challenges of the SAA.

UChicago and Wash U have strategically positioned themselves in a fine conference to fill their schedules in October and November.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on December 13, 2011, 08:15:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 13, 2011, 02:43:02 PM
Pity.  That was probably the one best (only?) hope for a fix to the SCAC's problem in FB.   Wonder if the SCIAC would entertain allowing the SCAC leftovers to affiliate?  Would lead to a nine-game schedule and lots of travel, and maybe the SCIAC schools wouldn't care for that any more than the SAA supposedly does.
They've traveled to Texas before.  The NWC gets another team this year.  That cuts down SCIAC/NWC games. The SCIAC plays a nine game schedule. The question is, would the remaining teams want to travel to the SCIAC
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on December 13, 2011, 09:44:32 PM
The key is that  WashU and UChicago are affiliating with the SAA only for football.  So, you're not worrying about having your WLAX or volleyball teams having to fly to Chicago for conference matches.    This move raises more doubt on my part about what's happening with Hendrix's program.   Having WashU and UChicago as affiliate members makes it a lot easier to keep that auto bid if things fall through with Hendrix or Berry not being able to get their programs up and running.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on December 14, 2011, 11:14:47 AM
If the SAA wanted to copy the big league format, they could offer 3 more football only spots to Trinity, Austin and SW to get to 12. Than break off into two six team divisions with the 3 texas school's, hendrix, washu and uchicago being in a "west" division. The scac would need to expand by 1 more school for all sports to get to 7, 8 is better number so maybe expand by 2 and probably would need to look at non-football school's like westminster. If any current scac school's added football like colorado college or centenary, the SAA football league could jump to 14 members, who would play 6 division games and 2 from the other side, so travel isn't that bad. The PAC could do the same and jump to 12, maybe bring in UAA member Rochester as a football only.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on December 14, 2011, 01:31:42 PM
Cush,

I think that would make too much sense.  Seems like there is a bit of a "Screw Texas" undercurrent in how all of this SAA/SCAC thing played out, so that scenario most likely won't happen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 14, 2011, 01:38:17 PM
+1, BMO.  The SAA could have very easily affiliated with the remaining SCAC members in football only but said in no uncertain terms they did not want to do that.

To Cush's point, the SCAC had been working toward a divisional approach to cut down on the travel issue but then there were complaints of 'oh, we don't get to play everyone each year then.'  The SAA leadership wants to play in their own pool and to do so it's "eff the schools out west." 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on December 14, 2011, 01:54:21 PM
This is what i would like to eventually see, a 14 team football league of

east: Centre, Rhodes, Sewanee, Berry, Birmingham Southern, Milsaps, Hendrix

West: Austin, SW, Trinity, Centenary, Colorado College, Washu, Uchicago

you would play 6 division games and 2 cross over with a championship game rotated between the east and west winners campus. How to get there, the new SAA is fine at 8, just needs hendrix and berry to bring on football. The scac needs to jump to 8 full members, since they are pro travel, go with westminster and ucsc, non football school's, to round it out at 8 members. Than CC and centenary need to start/restart programs as a pair. If those two aren't willing, the 14 team league could drop down to 12 or see if the other uaa football school's would shift over some day. Or they could even jump to 16 team league if the two UAA school's were willing to leave the pac someday and play a 7-1 format, shift centenary over to the east. Travel really isn't that bad and "educational". It would be a rare sight to see one of these school's win a D3 national football title but playing in a conference championship game would have a lot of meaning and be realistic.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SUADC on December 14, 2011, 02:33:44 PM
Quote from: cush on December 14, 2011, 01:54:21 PM
This is what i would like to eventually see, a 14 team football league of

east: Centre, Rhodes, Sewanee, Berry, Birmingham Southern, Milsaps, Hendrix

West: Austin, SW, Trinity, Centenary, Colorado College, Washu, Uchicago

you would play 6 division games and 2 cross over with a championship game rotated between the east and west winners campus. How to get there, the new SAA is fine at 8, just needs hendrix and berry to bring on football. The scac needs to jump to 8 full members, since they are pro travel, go with westminster and ucsc, non football school's, to round it out at 8 members. Than CC and centenary need to start/restart programs as a pair. If those two aren't willing, the 14 team league could drop down to 12 or see if the other uaa football school's would shift over some day. Or they could even jump to 16 team league if the two UAA school's were willing to leave the pac someday and play a 7-1 format, shift centenary over to the east. Travel really isn't that bad and "educational". It would be a rare sight to see one of these school's win a D3 national football title but playing in a conference championship game would have a lot of meaning and be realistic.

I would love to see what you have written above. I think that would have worked out if everyone would have just had patience. Also, I could see Trinity (TX) and Austin moving to the American Southwest Conference (ASC), Austin were one of the founding members. Also, to go out on a big limb, maybe the Southern California Inter. Athletic Conference (SCIAC), this would push them to 10 teams for football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 14, 2011, 03:14:10 PM
You won't see either school affilliate with the ASC again (Trinity was part of the ASC's predecessor, the TIAA) and to be honest it would cause the ASC problems to have 11 teams ... 12 after Southwestern's program kicks off. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on December 14, 2011, 04:10:50 PM
Makes one wonder if discussions are occurring to try to poach a couple of teams out of the ASC into the SCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on December 14, 2011, 04:20:58 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on December 14, 2011, 04:10:50 PM
Makes one wonder if discussions are occurring to try to poach a couple of teams out of the ASC into the SCAC.

And which two might that be?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on December 14, 2011, 04:46:07 PM
I don't think poaching schools from the ASC is a consideration.  The ASC schools are fairly similar in size and mission and are in a stable situation at current.  The SCAC schools don't seem to have any good options left for long term stability unless the previously mentioned Hail Mary pass at a SAA football affiliation comes through. 

I'm starting to wonder if Trinity will have to consider options outside of D3 in the long term.  Would Trinity even think about rejoining the Southland with a Pioneer affiliation for football?  The Southland seems to be shedding some weight with the subtraction of some of the larger public schools and addition of Oral Roberts, HBU, and now possibly UIW.  I don't think this a good fit, but certainly better than anything D2 can provide. 

It's quite unfortunate that the SCAC/SAA split could not have been done in such a manner as to assure everyone had a safe place to land.  It's not like these schools are that different in profile and mission.  Someone wanted to "win" i reckon.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 14, 2011, 05:04:06 PM
The NCAA will not allow schools to 'uplevel' one sport.  Colleges with split division affilliations (like Colorado College with their D1 men's ice hockey team) were grandfathered in. 

Re poaching ASC schools - the only school that might fit would be Texas Lutheran, for the reasons Bmo mentions.   There's another outside possibility or two but those schools don't have football, which doesn't really help, does it?  In any case, there was an interview online where someone said the SCAC wasn't looking at the ASC for any (more) schools.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on December 14, 2011, 05:20:23 PM
In the long term scenario I mentioned, no up leveling would be required ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 14, 2011, 05:42:53 PM
Quote from: SUADC on December 14, 2011, 02:33:44 PM
Quote from: cush on December 14, 2011, 01:54:21 PM
This is what i would like to eventually see, a 14 team football league of

east: Centre, Rhodes, Sewanee, Berry, Birmingham Southern, Milsaps, Hendrix

West: Austin, SW, Trinity, Centenary, Colorado College, Washu, Uchicago

you would play 6 division games and 2 cross over with a championship game rotated between the east and west winners campus. How to get there, the new SAA is fine at 8, just needs hendrix and berry to bring on football. The scac needs to jump to 8 full members, since they are pro travel, go with westminster and ucsc, non football school's, to round it out at 8 members. Than CC and centenary need to start/restart programs as a pair. If those two aren't willing, the 14 team league could drop down to 12 or see if the other uaa football school's would shift over some day. Or they could even jump to 16 team league if the two UAA school's were willing to leave the pac someday and play a 7-1 format, shift centenary over to the east. Travel really isn't that bad and "educational". It would be a rare sight to see one of these school's win a D3 national football title but playing in a conference championship game would have a lot of meaning and be realistic.

I would love to see what you have written above. I think that would have worked out if everyone would have just had patience. Also, I could see Trinity (TX) and Austin moving to the American Southwest Conference (ASC), Austin were one of the founding members. Also, to go out on a big limb, maybe the Southern California Inter. Athletic Conference (SCIAC), this would push them to 10 teams for football.
I would love to see it happen, too.

That would take 14 schools into Pool A (and probably 6 out of Pool B) and would help to free up another Pool C bid.

I think that we may see 0 Pool B bids in the near future, and the Pool B teams be considered with the Pool C teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on December 14, 2011, 06:48:04 PM
My big problem with all of this is I don't see the point of having a 12 team conference. It makes perfect sense at the FBS level because the money from the championship game and the lack of a real playoff. Heck, 70 of 120 teams go to a bowl, so it almost doesn't matter how big your conference is if you are aiming to get that extra game. At the D3 level, having a 12 team conference is just... strange to put it nicely, stupid if you really think about it.

With 7 teams you get 1 bid to the playoffs. With 12 teams, you get 1 bid to the playoffs. The championship game provides you with... 0 dollars if you are lucky, a deficit if you are not. With a championship game one of your two undefeated or 1 loss teams have their chance to play themselves OUT of the playoffs.

I know if you are from a stronger conference you think having the weaker conferences for 12 or 14 team conferences would be great because it frees up Pool C bids, but honestly, I can think of nothing.... stranger... from a conference's point of view than to do so.

I get going from 7 teams to 8, or even 8 to 10 for scheduling purposes and cutting down on the need to find OOC opponents, but going to 12 or 14 is just incredibly detrimental from any rational point of view. The sole exception is if you have two 6 team conferences who can't find a 7th team. That is the only real justification I can find.

To be honest, I have no idea why the PAC just did what they did with the UAA teams. Seems like a ridiculous scheduling nightmare with no real upside. Unless, of course, they are hoping to jettison TMC...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 16, 2011, 06:27:11 PM
Congrats to the following SCAC players named today to the D3football.com All-America team (http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2011):

   Shawn Morris, Jr., Birmingham-Southern, RB, first team
   Ben Hume, Sr., Centre. T, third team
   Kyle Trella, Jr., Trinity (Texas), P, honorable mention

that is all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on December 17, 2011, 05:01:09 PM
Pretty surprised Jordan Gay from Centre didn't make it as a punter of licker, I think  he is NFL caliber.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 17, 2011, 08:32:49 PM
Quote from: Shoreman on December 17, 2011, 05:01:09 PM
Pretty surprised Jordan Gay from Centre didn't make it as a punter of licker, I think  he is NFL caliber.
The ASC guys on the team are that good, too.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on December 20, 2011, 12:35:36 AM
Can someone explain to me who this Tyler Olsson kid is that got 1st team All-American for Punter out of TCNJ? Looking at his stats he only averaged 37.7 yards per punt and their net was only 34.06. Trella for Trinity averaged 42.56 with 36.03 net and Gay had 41.35 with 37.78. Gay certainly got shafted and Trella should have been 2nd or 3rd for sure. Unless this guy kicks it a mile high or something like that?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2011, 08:03:04 AM
Yes, look at the number and percentage of his punts that were inside the 20.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 20, 2011, 08:03:32 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on December 20, 2011, 12:35:36 AM
Can someone explain to me who this Tyler Olsson kid is that got 1st team All-American for Punter out of TCNJ? Looking at his stats he only averaged 37.7 yards per punt and their net was only 34.06. Trella for Trinity averaged 42.56 with 36.03 net and Gay had 41.35 with 37.78. Gay certainly got shafted and Trella should have been 2nd or 3rd for sure. Unless this guy kicks it a mile high or something like that?

I went to TCNJ"s web site.

He had 61 punts, 26 were insdie the 20 and only 4 were touchbacks.  He had one punt blocked.

http://www.tcnjathletics.com/custompages/2011%20football/teamcume.htm

Trella had 63 punts with 21 inside the 20 and 6 touchbacks and no blocks.

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2011-12/stats/teamcume.htm

Both performances are worthy.


Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 20, 2011, 08:03:04 AM
Yes, look at the number and percentage of his punts that were inside the 20.
What he said!   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on December 20, 2011, 02:43:09 PM
Jordan Gay Centre College, punting & kicking stats, pretty impressive. 51 yard field goal v. Austin!
Punting
No.    Name            Yr    Pos    gp    punt    yds    avg    in20    fc    tb    blk
94    Jordan Gay       Jr    K    11    49    2026    41.3    14    5    3    0

Kicking
No.    Name            Yr    Pos    gp    fgm    fga    pct    xpm    xpa    pct    pts
94    Jordan Gay       Jr    K    11    11    16    69%    45    46    98%    78
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on December 27, 2011, 06:17:04 AM
Hendrix moving to hire head football coach.

http://www.higheredjobs.com/admin/details.cfm?JobCode=175587408&Title=Head%20Football%20Coach
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on January 14, 2012, 03:36:21 PM
I apologize if this question has already been answered....

Would Austin College or Trinity have to receive an at-large bid to enter the playoffs next year or is the automatic qualifier still valid. (aka determined between the Austin College vs. Trinity game? I would assume theres no way that could be the case but I wanted to raise the question.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 14, 2012, 04:01:05 PM
They would have to get a Pool B bid. There's a grace period before losing the automatic bid but you have to still have four schools to qualify for a grace period, I believe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2012, 02:51:13 PM
The SCAC gets its seventh (sadly non-football) member, Schreiner, in '13-'14:

http://scacsports.com/news/schreiner_joins_scac

Ensures the conference will keep its pool A bid for those sports where it has enough participants to qualify.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 23, 2012, 04:58:20 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 23, 2012, 02:51:13 PM
The SCAC gets its seventh (sadly non-football) member, Schreiner, in '13-'14:

Perhaps football will be reinstated in Kerrville. As a junior college, Schreiner had its share of gridders looking to boost their GPAs in hopes of an eventual scholarship at some four-year venue.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on January 23, 2012, 11:22:32 PM
I could see the scac increase its numbers by following the same game plan, bring in say University of the ozarks or TLU or both.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2012, 08:49:48 AM
Quote from: cush on January 23, 2012, 11:22:32 PM
I could see the scac increase its numbers by following the same game plan, bring in say University of the ozarks or TLU or both.

I wonder if, with the UAA affiliate option no longer being in play, if the SCAC is now more aggressively pursuing schools in this part of the country.   TLU would be the next school on the list, you'd think, but who had Schreiner on their list before yesterday's announcement? 

If TLU could be added, you would get travel partners like:


Gonna cut down on travel costs, that's for sure. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on January 25, 2012, 11:12:41 AM
    Trinity/Schreiner
    TLU/Southwestern
    UD/Austin
    Ozarks/Centenary
    colorado/westminster (utah)


The tipping point of texas school's might have been reached to bring in TLU but finding a home for football is a problem for all school's. Ozarks is a small school but has big endowment for its size with maybe more Walmart/walton money coming in the future, they seem like an easy school to pick off to increase numbers. I'm not sure CC will even stick around d3 but the article in the cc newspaper awhile back said westminster was interested in the scac. Travel would be a pain but it might keep CC around and bring up numbers to 10 with nice travel partners. Out of those 10 only 4 have football programs, so that is a problem but the #'s are there for other sports.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 25, 2012, 05:46:50 PM
As it stands now, the SCAC needs another baseball school and softball/women's soccer school!

Colorado College doesn't have any of those sports!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: litig8r187 on January 31, 2012, 04:00:45 PM
There are 6 schools playing women's soccer, softball and baseball.  Trininty, Southwestern, U of D, Centenary, Schreiner, and AC.  What is needed to maintain AQ in those sports?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 31, 2012, 05:23:14 PM
Like Ralph said, one more school.   They can maintain the bid a year (or two?) while reforming but the clock starts next season.

TLU offers all three sports.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 01, 2012, 11:29:22 AM
University of the Ozarks also offers those 3 sports and would seem like an easy get. TLU might have issue with where football goes but i don't see the problem with offering both a spot to get to 9 members to protect the scac at 8 members if cc moved to d2. The ASC would still have plenty of members and could possibly offer huntingdon but travel might be too difficult.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on February 01, 2012, 01:55:39 PM
Trinity leads conference in members of Fall Academic Honor roll with 90 athletes. Pretty impressive numbers for the whole conference.
http://scacsports.com/inside_athletics/honor_roll_files/11fallallacademic.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 12, 2012, 08:03:38 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 2012 Trinity Tiger Football Scherdule)

The ten-game regular season 2012 Trinity Tiger Football Schedule is posted on the Trinity Football website.

Guess what?   The Cru is back on Sat. 9/22/12 in San Antonio at 6 p.m.

                                                                       :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on February 13, 2012, 10:19:12 PM
Alright, well then I'm confused.  I thought the whole idea behind seceding from the SCAC was to reduce travel to places such as Colorado and Texas.  Yet everyone is still playing Trinity. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2012, 04:21:17 AM
The SAA and SCAC agreed to keep playing football for one year due to the difficulties in trying to line up replacement games with less than a year's notice.  Austin has their '12 schedule posted and Sewanee, Rhodes, and Centre all go to Sherman. 

With Berry and Hendrix starting football in '13 and Chicago/WashU in '15 the number of SAA schools heading to Texas will rapidly decline. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on February 14, 2012, 09:37:19 AM
Just out of curiosity, do other schools spend good money on making highlight films at the end of the year? I know at Trinity a senior on the football team made theirs - turned out pretty nice. I didn't know if other football departments hired professionals
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2012, 11:45:19 AM
Southwestern hires an appropriately-named coach, Joe Austin.  Quite a coup, as Austin is the current h/c at Hanover.

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/austin_named_southwestern_coach

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 14, 2012, 11:56:05 AM
For those wondering where Southwestern will play (since there's no football field at SW), they'll compete at the 12,000+ seat facility on the Georgetown ISD athletic complex.  Practice fields and a fieldhouse are being built on the east side of campus.

http://amfootball.isport.com/amfootball-fields/us/texas/georgetown/georgetown-isd-athletic-complex-bernard-birkelbach-field-1077692
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 16, 2012, 12:16:32 PM
http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2012/02/scac-adds-texas-lutheran

Here's a team who they will play, at least.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wildcat11 on February 16, 2012, 12:29:26 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on February 14, 2012, 09:37:19 AM
Just out of curiosity, do other schools spend good money on making highlight films at the end of the year? I know at Trinity a senior on the football team made theirs - turned out pretty nice. I didn't know if other football departments hired professionals

Tigerguy,

Some small colleges will hire a professional service to put together one off clips that highlight the program but in terms of compiling a full season highlight DVD....I don't think there are many that hire a professional house to put that together. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on February 19, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Question about Football AQ for SCAC?)


Question:
If there is a two year grace-period and a requirement of at least four football playing teams to retain the conference football AQ during that grace-period. Then it is understood why the AQ is not in place for 2012 with only two teams playing football (Austin College and Trinity), but why is the AQ not in place for 2013 when there will be four football playing teams in the conference (Austin College, Trinity, TLU and Southwestern)? To maintain the AQ in football for 2014 and beyond, it would still be required to add three more football playing teams prior to the 2014 season is also understood.


                                                                                ???     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 27, 2012, 05:11:02 PM
Perhaps once you lose your AQ you can't get it back, etg.  I don't know.

Southwestern will have a presser at 1pm on March 1st to introduce new head coach Joe Austin.  It will be streamed live - details at http://southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-footbl/2011-12/releases/pressconferencestream
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2012, 12:52:18 AM
Quote from: etg on February 19, 2012, 06:40:53 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Question about Football AQ for SCAC?)


Question:
If there is a two year grace-period and a requirement of at least four football playing teams to retain the conference football AQ during that grace-period. Then it is understood why the AQ is not in place for 2012 with only two teams playing football (Austin College and Trinity), but why is the AQ not in place for 2013 when there will be four football playing teams in the conference (Austin College, Trinity, TLU and Southwestern)? To maintain the AQ in football for 2014 and beyond, it would still be required to add three more football playing teams prior to the 2014 season is also understood.
                                                                                ???   
The AQ requires 7 teams.  You get 2 grace years if you have 4 core members during that 2-year window to find affiliates

As I understand it, The new SCAC needs to get 7 new members to make 7 teams.

The next question... if the SCAC got to 6 football members, would they accept Huntingdon as an affiliate "7th" for the football AQ?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 29, 2012, 10:29:19 AM
Two questions to answer that question:

(1) how important in the global scheme of things is football to the SCAC?  With TLU joining, it is probably a bit more important now than it was ... along with SW starting a new program and the very established Trinity squad.  Not sure Austin really cares given their struggles. 
(2) Can Huntingdon afford to take 3-4 trips a year to Texas (and wherever else schools might come from) on top of non-conference travel to be in a football conference? 

If the SCAC can get to six then IMO Huntingdon will be in play for football.  The schools that have recently been announced show that the nSCAC is a bit more flexible on membership than the schools which are making up the SAA. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 29, 2012, 02:06:14 PM
The scac is getting close to #7 and that is why offering HSU makes a lot of sense. It might take centenary or some other scac school starting up a football program to get HSU to move and be football school #6. Colorado College has the money to restart a program but they could also move to d2 and never fly again. The problem with that is going d2 probably ends any chance they have to restart football. Ideally, the scac would have both centenary and colorado college have football programs and with HSU they would be at 7. Huntingdon might work but they probably are more interested in replacing cnu.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hawks88 on February 29, 2012, 02:52:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 29, 2012, 10:29:19 AM

(2) Can Huntingdon afford to take 3-4 trips a year to Texas (and wherever else schools might come from) on top of non-conference travel to be in a football conference? 

As long as we could keep Maryville, LaGrange, BSC and maybe one other nearby SAA team as the non-conference games then I think 3 trips to Texas a year would be doable. We were ready to do 3 trips to Illinois/Missouri a year in the SLIAC a few years ago. Just this past year we went to South Florida, Texas, and Delaware.  We usually have several long trips pretty much every year as it is, so if we could do the same while being in a conference I don't know if anyone would be against it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 02, 2012, 10:25:12 PM
Quote from: cush on February 29, 2012, 02:06:14 PM
The scac is getting close to #7 and that is why offering HSU makes a lot of sense. It might take centenary or some other scac school starting up a football program to get HSU to move and be football school #6. Colorado College has the money to restart a program but they could also move to d2 and never fly again. The problem with that is going d2 probably ends any chance they have to restart football. Ideally, the scac would have both centenary and colorado college have football programs and with HSU they would be at 7. Huntingdon might work but they probably are more interested in replacing cnu.
Respectfully, I must disagree about the attractiveness of HSU in the conference.

You have Trinity who has been there forever.

Austin College left the ASC and chosen not to play HSU in football since its departure. AC has not frequently played HSU in many sports since they left the ASC.

Southwestern is building a program against teams that they can beat within 5 years.

TLU is getting away from HSU.

Centenary will be more competitive in an SCAC without HSU.  The same for UDallas if they wish to try to add football again.  And the same for Schreiner if they want to resurrect football from its glory days as a junior college.

Concordia's master plan shows football on their new "Schlumberger" campus. Starting football without HSU in the conference is much more attractive than otherwise.

I just believe that HSU is not that attractive an addition.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on March 12, 2012, 02:53:43 PM
SCAC press release:

http://www.scacsports.com/news/scac_stabilizes
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on March 14, 2012, 06:27:49 PM
Sewanee's 2012 schedule is out.
http://sewaneetigers.com/schedule.aspx?path=football&schedule=95&
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 28, 2012, 11:23:14 PM
Southwestern announces Tom Ross as DC and associate head coach.   Ross worked under Joe Austin at Hanover for four years.

http://www.southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-footbl/2011-12/releases/ross
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on April 10, 2012, 02:01:19 PM
Sewanee looking for a game to fill out season

www.footballscoop.com

University of the South: The University of the South located in Sewanee, TN is looking for a game this upcoming season (home or away) on either Sept. 29 or November 10 in 2012. Also, we need two games in 2013 on September 7 and 14. Please contact Head Coach, Tommy Laurendine at 931-598-1593 or by email at tolauren@sewanee.edu.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 30, 2012, 04:55:07 PM
Official results aren't out yet, but I think Trinity has reclaimed the President's Cup in the SCAC's final "big conference" season.  They had a narrow lead before the spring sports and won both men's and women's tennis (Centre 5th/11th), plus were second to B-SC in softball (Centre 7th) and third in baseball (Centre 8th) .    Centre won women's golf (Trinity 5th) and men's track (Trinity 4th).   In men's golf, Centre was 3rd, Trinity 4th.   Women's track, Trinity 2nd,  Centre 3rd.  Centre got points for two sports Trinity does not offer:  Women's lacrosse, T3rd, and men's lax, T3rd.  There are only six women's LaX teams so the points there are minor. 

MTennis:  Trinity gains 20 points (5x (5th place-1st place))
WTennis:  Trinity +50
Softball:  TU +25
Baseball:  TU +25
WGolf:  Centre +20
MGolf:  Centre +5
MTrack:  Centre +15
WTrack:  Trinity +5
WLaX:  Centre +17.5
MLax:  Centre +37.5

Net change:  Trinity +30
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on April 30, 2012, 06:15:08 PM
...after DePauw vacated the throne room?  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 01, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
You can only compete against the teams still in the conference, Ralph  ;) but consider that Centre, offering all 21 SCAC sports, had a decent starting advantage over Trinity's 18.  Had the conference not correctly realigned the points awarded per sport with the number of teams competing (last season), the result might have been different.

Note that three of the top four schools head to the SAA next season.  It will be interesting to see if Centre can hold off a rapidly ascending Birmingham-Southern program there next year.   

1. Trinity University - 790
2. Centre College - 750
3. Birmingham-Southern College - 677.5
4. Rhodes College - 675

5. Colorado College - 502.5
6. Southwestern University - 490
7. Sewanee-The University of the South  - 465
8. Millsaps College - 422.5
9. Hendrix College - 330
10. Oglethorpe University - 265

11. University of Dallas - 192.5
12. Austin College - 190

Edit:  SCAC release is here (http://www.scacsports.com/awardsHonors/presidents_trophy).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2012, 02:18:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 01, 2012, 10:48:30 AM
You can only compete against the teams still in the conference, Ralph  ;) but consider that Centre, offering all 21 SCAC sports, had a decent starting advantage over Trinity's 18.  Had the conference not correctly realigned the points awarded per sport with the number of teams competing (last season), the result might have been different.

Note that three of the top four schools head to the SAA next season.  It will be interesting to see if Centre can hold off a rapidly ascending Birmingham-Southern program there next year.   

1. Trinity University - 790
2. Centre College - 750
3. Birmingham-Southern College - 677.5
4. Rhodes College - 675

5. Colorado College - 502.5
6. Southwestern University - 490
7. Sewanee-The University of the South  - 465
8. Millsaps College - 422.5
9. Hendrix College - 330
10. Oglethorpe University - 265

11. University of Dallas - 192.5
12. Austin College - 190

Edit:  SCAC release is here (http://www.scacsports.com/awardsHonors/presidents_trophy).
My first impression is that TU DOMINATES the new SCAC!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 01, 2012, 03:08:11 PM
In the short term, true, but there was a period in the 90's-early 00's where that was also the case.  The three new schools will change the dynamic some, other schools may step up more now that travel isn't so onerous (time/money).    It'll be fun to watch and especially if the conference can add a couple more schools.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 01, 2012, 09:36:49 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 01, 2012, 03:08:11 PM
In the short term, true, but there was a period in the 90's-early 00's where that was also the case.  The three new schools will change the dynamic some, other schools may step up more now that travel isn't so onerous (time/money).    It'll be fun to watch and especially if the conference can add a couple more schools.
Centenary is my first thought to challenge TU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 07, 2012, 04:04:35 PM
Eboh Announced as Recruiting Coordinator and Defensive Line Coach (Southwestern)

On Monday, Director of Athletics Dr. Glada Munt and Head Football Coach Joe Austin announced the hiring of Kenneth Eboh as the recruiting coordinator and defensive line coach for Southwestern's newly revived football program.

Eboh worked under Coach Austin at Hanover College and had a big hand in helping to turn the program around into one near the top of their conference...

http://southwestern.prestosports.com/sports/m-footbl/2011-12/releases/ebohjoinsstaff

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 11, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
Trinity is renovating their football field and track ... but not installing turf:

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2011-12/releases/05-11-12_fb-track_renovation

Quote...renovations include the complete installation of a new grass football field, as well as the complete reconstruction of the track surface surrounding the football field, and the field event areas.   Both the track surface and football field will be replaced in the same footprint as the current facilities.  Included in the new field will be a new sprinkler system, and the stadium restrooms will also be completely renovated.

Since the field events will continue to be held inside the Trinity Football/Track & Field Stadium, the football field needs to remain a natural grass surface in order to maximize its use for the track & field practices and meets.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 06, 2012, 08:01:56 PM
El Tea Gray--re: 2012 Trinity Tiger Football; Wed. 6/6/12, 193 days until the DIII Championship (aka "The Ship").


65 days until Report Day    (Great returning players and what a wow! new class will be there.)
88 days until Game 1        (Howard Payne)
158 days until Game 10      (Austin College)
165 days until Playoffs Start (? ? ?)
193 days until "The Ship"      (? ? ?)

Go Tigers, Go                                                              :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 07, 2012, 05:21:40 PM
Does anyone know anything of the quarterback situation in San Antonio?  Is there a situation?  I suspect spring ball would have indicated one way or the other.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on June 11, 2012, 12:33:55 PM
From what I've heard Mckissic will still be the #1 qb coming into training camp. Yes he had 7 interceptions in the last two games - including 4 in their opening playoff game against McMurry - but you can't ignore how good he was through the first nine games. He's also lost a bunch of weight to improve his speed and footwork.

The likely #2 is Mason Blaschke, a sophomore. He only got into four games this year but he's really coming along nicely. He's got a great arm and is very fast. He literally ran around Rhode's defense when he got in during Trinity's blowout of them early last season.

Should be some good competition come training camp.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 12, 2012, 04:13:11 PM
First nine games?  Hmm.  I would say that the offense peaked in week three at Rhodes.  The very next week they scored ten points in Jackson and were basically a non-factor when it came to putting games away starting then.  I kept watching the defense force stops and the Tigers couldn't do anything on offense late in games.  Somehow the interceptions started in the last week, but he would always start strong and then just kind of vanish in the second half.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on June 15, 2012, 01:28:40 AM
Are you talking about McKissic or Trinity's offense as a whole?

McKissic had almost nothing to do with their offensive woes going into week 10 of the season. In the millsaps game he was 11-19. I know two to three of the incompletions were as he was hit and another two to three were dropped.

We're talking about a guy who going into week 10 was top 10 in the nation in pass efficiency, was completing 62% of his passes, and had 16 total touchdowns against only one interception.

The problem was predictable play calling and a drop in the running game. It should also be noted that Mckissic didn't have many big time receivers to throw to other than Osei-Kuffour. They don't have the Riley Currys and Caleb Urbans that they used to have annually. If they get enough protection this year I believe we are going to see breakout years for Hagen Kattner and Matthew Kennemer, who were both freshmen this year.

McKissic is a very smart qb with a cannon arm. Trinity should mold their offense around him more rather than sticking to their traditional ground-and-pound offense if they want to get past where last years squad left off.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on June 15, 2012, 03:29:04 PM
Don't get too caught up in the stats.  Conservative play calling with a late lead looked like the mode of operation for many weeks, and despite it keeping the games close, the Tigers won over and over on the strength of the defense.  When they got in the Austin game, they tried to get aggressive with the play calling and it yielded three interceptions and nearly cost them the game.  The next week there were four.  Trinity always scored enough early in games to let the defense carry them the rest of the way, and McKissic definitely has some pretty serious skills, but he needs to be on for the whole game and the whole season.  If I'm the coach, I'm looking very closely at the quarterback position, because I think it was the difference between winning and losing in the first round last season. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 17, 2012, 08:22:00 PM
Trinity is on the Case Western Reserve schedule for 21013.

  http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/future_jv
     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on June 17, 2012, 09:42:40 PM
"Trinity is on the Case Western Reserve schedule for 21013."


Good god. I know they did schedules a little far out, but don't you think that is getting a little crazy?

Sorry... Couldn't resist.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on June 17, 2012, 11:23:31 PM
Quote from: jknezek on June 17, 2012, 09:42:40 PM
"Trinity is on the Case Western Reserve schedule for 21013."


Good god. I know they did schedules a little far out, but don't you think that is getting a little crazy?

Sorry... Couldn't resist.

Yes, but the game is being played on Alpha Centauri IV ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 17, 2012, 11:31:30 PM
Tough crowd.

I guess my spell check doesn't work with numbers. :-[
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 18, 2012, 01:32:28 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 17, 2012, 08:22:00 PM
Trinity is on the Case Western Reserve schedule for 21013.

  http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/future_jv
     

Interesting there's no return game in 21014  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 18, 2012, 01:38:48 PM
All kidding aside, it's good to see Trinity scheduling some seriously good teams ... e.g. UMHB this year, CWR next.  I hope that means that President Ahlberg's administration is a more supportive of the team's efforts than his predecessor. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on June 18, 2012, 01:53:29 PM
I can see the CWRU game as a recruiting trip.

Seriously, if you are a college student, where would you rather spend a February afternoon? 

Guys playing golf or tennis and looking at the beautiful women getting their first rays of sun in San Antonio as they watch you, or freezing the backside in Cleveland?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 19, 2012, 12:10:25 PM
Seem to be no lack of kids happy to play D3 football in OH given the number of schools there, Ralph ...

Here's some good news:  former Colo College coach Bob Bodor lands the acting head coach job at RPI; hope he will get it for real after the conclusion of RPI's latest national search:  http://www.d3football.com/notables/2012/06/rpi-changes-coaches-again

Was in SA last weekend and swung by the TU football field -- new grass is in and growing, track has been replaced but still detail work to be done.   Looks like the goalposts were replaced, too.  Same stands/press box.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 21, 2012, 04:00:02 PM
While we are waiting for REAL preseason rankings  8-) Lindy's has apparently come out with theirs (http://www.centreathletics.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/20120621srj0bv) and has Trinity at 24.  Other schools of interest:

10. UMHB
12. Centre 
23. Birmingham-Southern

A tip o' the hat to the Centre SID, who posted the article containing this information; he also noted that Trinity @ Centre (Oct 20) was picked as one of four 'games to watch'.     

Centre has to overcome the losses of QB Osterman and leading rusher Pinque to graduation as well as five of their top nine defensive players.  #12 seems a little high.  ;)


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 25, 2012, 07:25:50 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Lindy's 2012 DIII Preseason Rankings)


Ron,
Agreed that "#12 seems a little high" for Centre; also IMHO #10 and #24 seems more than a little low for both UMHB and Trinity respectively. The Trinity @ Centre game will definately be interesting, but if the UMHB @ Trinity game isn't the "game to watch"; I can't think which game would be?


                                                                                      ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on June 25, 2012, 08:25:11 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Dave Campbell's 2012 Texas Football Magazine)



Interesting comment from the fall edition of Texas Football:  "A senior-laden team could propel the Trinity Tigers deeper into the playoffs this fall".  Also, there is a picture of Nyk McKissic vs. Centre from the 2011 season. Guess the assumption is that Saint Nyk has the QB job locked down for the 2012 season (probably so)?  I agree with TU2698 and several of the other posters, that I would like to see a little summer competition between Nyk and Mason Blaschke. Mason is a "speed burner" of the type we have not seen at Trinity in (Oh) about 40 years (anybody remember Jackie Hall--wow)!



                                                                                            :)





   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on June 26, 2012, 04:59:48 PM
When Blaschke got into the game against Rhodes I remember the commentator on the broadcast saying "He's literally running right around the Rhode's defense." He definitely brings some serious speed to the position. The offense would finally be able to run the option - something that hasn't happend since '08 with Bryant Wilson.

I also agree #24 seems low for the Trinity Squad. What do people think the defense will be like this year? As good as last year? The loss of Ben Robinson will be a huge hit for them as Trinity hasn't had as smart of a player like him on defense in quite some time. Von'Darick Jones IMO is one of the best cornerbacks in the region and will most likely have another great year. Losing Tyler Barrett at safety is also a big hit - I'm not sure if Zach Wright will be the starter this year, but he's nowhere near the caliber of Barrett: The d-line looks to be as solid as ever, especially with the return of 5th year senior Johnathan Alexander.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 29, 2012, 10:52:13 AM
I count 5 or 6 starters lost on each side of the ball, tigerguy, including the key defensive stalwarts you mentioned (plus Barrett may have been the best return man).   Most of the skill guys are back on offense but the line has some rebuilding to do.  Somewhere in the 20s sounds right for a team that is trying to regain its footing after a few years out of the spotlight. 

With the team having to battle for a Pool B/C bid this year every single game will count.  9-1 might or might not get a bid, especially considering that 3 of the 4 ASC opponents will be likely sub-.500 and the resulting impact on SOS.  Games at Birmingham-Southern and at Centre are going to be challenges, and then there's UMHB - 9-1 would be a very good year. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on July 03, 2012, 12:59:14 AM
Texas Football couldn't even get our name right this year.   :-\

oh well.

nowhere to go but up from a goose egg.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 11, 2012, 11:24:38 AM
Trinity's Kyle Trella is only SCAC player named to D3football.com's pre-season AA team (http://www.d3football.com/awards/all-americans/2012-preseason)  (2st team, P).  Congratulations and good luck!

[Future SCAC member TLU also had a player, kicker Allen Cain, named to the first team.]
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on July 11, 2012, 12:22:34 PM
I'd like to see Trella come into full form this year. When he catch's a good one I swear he looks like a pro out there. Good luck to him and their special teams!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 26, 2012, 06:55:22 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 14 days until 2012 Trinity Tigers Football Report Day)


Trinity Tigers Football Report Day--Aug. 9, 2012

Sr.     21
Jr.     17
So.    32
Fr.     64

Tot.   134    (WOW!)


                                        :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
Quote from: etg on July 26, 2012, 06:55:22 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 14 days until 2012 Trinity Tigers Football Report Day)


Trinity Tigers Football Report Day--Aug. 9, 2012

Sr.     21
Jr.     17
So.    32
Fr.     64

Tot.   134    (WOW!)


                                        :)

+1!  Nice to see the incoming class numbers getting back to where they once were.  According to the story on the TUFB site (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/07-19-12_tufb_class) it's the second-largest freshman class in Coach Mohr's tenure at Trinity.  The new roster has also been posted (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/roster).

Hopefully they can line up some JV games so some of these guys can get some PT. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Wahama on July 27, 2012, 11:06:34 AM
Interview with Trinity DB Von'Darrick Jones http://www.bsncollege.com/videos/1557/873/beyond-the-sidelines-interview-w
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on July 30, 2012, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 27, 2012, 10:46:17 AM
Quote from: etg on July 26, 2012, 06:55:22 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 14 days until 2012 Trinity Tigers Football Report Day)


Trinity Tigers Football Report Day--Aug. 9, 2012

Sr.     21
Jr.     17
So.    32
Fr.     64

Tot.   134    (WOW!)


                                        :)

+1!  Nice to see the incoming class numbers getting back to where they once were.  According to the story on the TUFB site (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/07-19-12_tufb_class) it's the second-largest freshman class in Coach Mohr's tenure at Trinity.  The new roster has also been posted (http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/roster).

Hopefully they can line up some JV games so some of these guys can get some PT.
+1 Nice to see an Ohio boy, Wyatt Tiffany, on the roster. Anybody know much about this sophomore? Also saw a player from Germany, Matt Resch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 30, 2012, 06:03:07 PM
No carries last season, decent sized (6'3", 203#) young man.   Found this blog post (http://cincinnati.com/blogs/presspreps/tag/wyatt-tiffany/) from his high school days:

5) Wyatt Tiffany, running back, Cincinnati Country Day School

The Indians don't play in a lot of high profile games, so many of you will probably scratch your head when you read this entry. Well, take it from me, this student-athlete could play. I really enjoyed watching the enthusiasm Tiffany played the game with. On offense, he was always looking to lower his shoulder and deliver the first hit in an effort to gain more yards. On defense, at linebacker, he was was usually the first man to meet the opposing team's running back. Tiffany ended the season with 1,155 yards and eight touchdowns.


Second-team all-state two years running, 960 yards his junior year, 1160 his senior year.   From his highlights (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdqENkV_m0s) he's pretty much a straight-up-the-gut kind of runner.  Gained eight pounds in the weight room last year from 195# in high school.   

On another note, the D3football.com preseason Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2012/preseason) is out.  Trinity is at #16.  Among their opponents, UMHB is #4, Birmingham-Southern is #22, Centre is RV ("#26").   UW-W is #1, Mt Union #2, Wesley #3.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on July 31, 2012, 12:16:30 AM
If I'm not mistaken Tiffany also won the Trinity Tiger Offensive hustler of the year for the 2011-2012 season. From what I've heard he's a super hard worker on the scout team and should be the next-in-line power RB once Granchelli graduates after this season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bishopleftiesdad on July 31, 2012, 09:38:06 AM
Thanks guys it is always nice to see an Ohio boy do well out of state.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 01, 2012, 11:33:22 AM
Houston Chronicle story (http://www.chron.com/sports/highschool/article/Even-a-few-high-school-football-all-stars-3752138.php) mentions two incoming Trinity freshmen, primarily Fort Bend Hightower DE Martel Matthews - who will transition to OLB at Trinity. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 09, 2012, 01:56:02 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 2012 Trinity Tigers Football Report Day)


"The boys are back in town, the boys are back in town, the boys are back in town."

                                                      134    :) :) :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 14, 2012, 02:00:25 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Beginning of 2012 Trinity Tigers Football Workouts)

Today was first session in full-pads. Shorts and helmets workouts since last week looked good, but the full-pad work was amazingly spirited for this huge group. First two-a-day work will be Thursday; the usual (if anything can be said is "usual" for this years group) within-team scrimmage will be held this Saturday afternoon.



                                                                                             :) 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 16, 2012, 06:04:24 PM
Preseason preview of the Roos on their website -

http://www.austincollege.edu/55033/2012-football-season-preview/#.UCz352TA5bA.twitter (http://www.austincollege.edu/55033/2012-football-season-preview/#.UCz352TA5bA.twitter)

Also a preview of incoming freshmen on the football blog -

http://austincollegefootball.blogspot.com/ (http://austincollegefootball.blogspot.com/)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on August 20, 2012, 08:12:28 PM
Looks great for AC!  I'm partial to Trinity and I think that they may be better than last year.  The UMHB  game at TU should tell us a lot!  Go Tigers!  Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2012, 07:11:39 PM
After several hundred articles about UTSA and D1-bound Incarnate Word, the Express-News included a couple of Trinity articles:

Trinity season preview capsule (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-season-preview-capsule-3811553.php)
Trinity's McKissic ready to put experience to good use (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Trinity-s-McKissic-ready-to-put-experience-to-3811554.php)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: FCGrizzliesGrad on August 26, 2012, 03:00:52 PM
ANYONE INTERESTED IN BEING PART OF THE 2012 TOP 25 FAN POLL (http://www.d3boards.com/index.php?topic=7065.msg1434525#msg1434525):
Please send me a PM with your ballot. I'd like to get a preseason poll up by Thursday night.

During the season ballots shall be due by Tuesdays so I can get them up Tuesday night.

Remember, this is just fun and we aren't part of the BCS Formula... yet ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 27, 2012, 07:33:47 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Trinity Tiger Buzz-Saw)

IMHO Monterrey Tech-Santa Fe ran into a buzz-saw in their scrimmage with the Tigers last Saturday. Trinity suited-up eight QBs for the scrimmage; when is the last time the Tigers have had that many QBs at that point in camp (I believe like never)? Here come the Tigers--buzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz (yes 15).

                                                                         :)     Go Tigers Go     :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on August 28, 2012, 12:14:32 AM
Don't forget to play the ASC Pick-em game starting this week!  Rules and information are on the ASC portion of the Pick-em board in the General Board portion of Post Patterns.  We have three people playing so far and two are not from the ASC teams.  Let's get on board and make it interesting.

There is a Thursday night game this week so if you wait and enter your picks Friday, you will have to forfeit that game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2012, 11:07:17 AM
Welcome to Kyle Robarts who is the new South Region columnist (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2012/10-games-to-watch) and whose coverage area includes the SCAC.  Any thought of heading to San Antonio for the upcoming UMHB visit to Trinity, Kyle?  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3Kyle on August 29, 2012, 01:18:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2012, 11:07:17 AM
Welcome to Kyle Robarts who is the new South Region columnist (http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2012/10-games-to-watch) and whose coverage area includes the SCAC.  Any thought of heading to San Antonio for the upcoming UMHB visit to Trinity, Kyle?  :)
There's always that travel budget to consider :) But I bet it will be a hard-fought game - and by the way, SCAC fans, please follow me on Twitter throughout the season and help me gain insight on AC and Trinity! http://twitter.com/kylerobarts (http://twitter.com/kylerobarts)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on August 31, 2012, 06:58:25 PM
Anyone's thoughts on the (two) games this weekend? The TLU vs. Austin game last year was pretty close so I'm expecting another good game. As for the HPU vs. Trinity game - I know Howard Payne has changed its offense from last year but I still think things could get ugly....
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 01, 2012, 09:42:11 PM
I wonder if Nyk McKissick saw the quote in the Brownwood paper where the HPU coach called the Trinity offense "adequate."  In two and a half quarters, Nyk was 14-17 for 274 yards and six TD's.

Live stats are out (as was I until a few minutes ago), HPU broke up the shutout with under a minute left so the final score was something in the neighborhood of 56-7. 

Edit:  article mentioned above is here (http://www.brownwoodtx.com/sports/local_sports/article_d91e23a6-f2e5-11e1-a0ce-0019bb2963f4.html).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 02, 2012, 09:01:08 AM
Many people have mentioned the fact that we are even better than last year... ya think so?  56--6????
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 02, 2012, 12:01:14 PM
The TLU vs. Austin game didn't end up as close as I thought but the Trinity game ended up exactly as I expected. The secondary for Howard Payne could do absolutely nothing to contain the long ball from Mckissic. Mason Lytal tied a Trinity record with four touchdown receptions and the Trinity offense tied the record for team touchdown receptions at 7. If it wasn't for Sam Durley of Eureka throwing for 736 yards this week Mckissic would have had a great case for d3 quarterback of the week after going 14-17 with 6 TD's.

A couple of notes: Mason Lytal doubled his touchdown total from last year in his first game this year. As shown in camp he is Mckissic's favorite target and will probably start seeing some double teams on coverage. Three of his touchdown passes came on wide open seam routes up the middle but he also had an amazing grab in the end zone when Mckissic just threw it up for him to go after. The running game was almost non-existent for the tigers but probably because Howard Payne couldn't do anything against the pass. I liked what I saw and hopefully Trinity keeps up this air attack in the coming weeks.

Howard Payne actually drove the ball on the Trinity defense several drives which was very surprising. The running back tandem of 27 and 22 did a great job against the D-line and linebackers for Trinity although they turned the ball over several times. I was shocked HP didn't test the Trinity secondary much at all but they were highly effective at times on the ground. It was disappointing to see the 2nd team defense give up the goose egg but overall I thought it was a good first game for the Trinity defense.

TLU will be a much better test next week but it was a great opening statement for a Tiger squad looking for an at-large bid. Was anybody able to catch the game over the webcast?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 02, 2012, 01:03:03 PM
Was on the road and only caught the last part of the HPU drive, but was having audio problems. 

Does anyone know what was up with Matt Kennemer doing what little punting was required last night?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 02, 2012, 04:00:11 PM
From what I've gathered Kyle Trella is out several weeks after having back surgery. He will either join the team late or take a medical redshirt. Obviously a huge loss for the special teams unit
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on September 02, 2012, 09:53:55 PM
I thought TU looked real good last night.  I really liked what I saw out of Mykissic.  He looked real confident in the pocket and made good decisions.  HPU's offense did drive some on the Trinity D, but it was almost a bend but don't break approach.  When they needed to they made stops and forced turnovers.

I will be anxious to see how they react next week.  I left last night wondering of TU was that good or if HPU was that bad.  Overall a great start and I am proud to call myself a Tiger.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 02, 2012, 10:13:28 PM
Quote from: McM Blue Devil on September 02, 2012, 09:53:55 PM
I thought TU looked real good last night.  I really liked what I saw out of Mykissic.  He looked real confident in the pocket and made good decisions.  HPU's offense did drive some on the Trinity D, but it was almost a bend but don't break approach.  When they needed to they made stops and forced turnovers.

I will be anxious to see how they react next week.  I left last night wondering of TU was that good or if HPU was that bad.  Overall a great start and I am proud to call myself a Tiger.
Okay, I am confused.
Are you a Tiger?
Or are you a Blue Devil?
Once an Indian, Always an Indian, but were you ever a War Hawk?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 02, 2012, 10:48:05 PM
My thoughts on the AC/TLC game;

Texas Lutheran has better talent and it showed in the end.  AC played an excellent first half and I think TLC's adjustments and physicality took over the second half.

AC has made a change in its offense and is basically running a wing-t out of a double slot and double wing formation.  According to my sources the idea is to become more physical and try some ball control to keep the defense off the field as much as possible.  This worked well the first half and AC was ahead at the half 16-10.  The secondary remains a problem due to a lack of speed but the defensive line was successful in batting away 4-6 passes.  Effort was there the entire game. I was pleased and think things are looking up!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TxFight on September 02, 2012, 11:15:58 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 02, 2012, 10:48:05 PM
My thoughts on the AC/TLC game;

Texas Lutheran has better talent and it showed in the end.  AC played an excellent first half and I think TLC's adjustments and physicality took over the second half.

AC has made a change in its offense and is basically running a wing-t out of a double slot and double wing formation.  According to my sources the idea is to become more physical and try some ball control to keep the defense off the field as much as possible.  This worked well the first half and AC was ahead at the half 16-10.  The secondary remains a problem due to a lack of speed but the defensive line was successful in batting away 4-6 passes.  Effort was there the entire game. I was pleased and think things are looking up!

AC is gonna get a big test in the secondary this coming up weekend.  In the Wesley game ETBU threw the ball very well in the 1st half.  2nd half Wesley started dropping 8 and ETBU never really tried to go deep on them and it resulted in the QB forcing some balls into tight windows. 

ETBU continued their Dr. Jeckyll/Mr. Hyde streak though.  Jumped out to a 2td lead and then got in their own way.  Total yardage wound up being like 321-310.  Special Teams and a huge momentum swing of a turnover sunk the ship.  Defense played very well, considering they were constantly having so so field position to work with.  Wesleys TD drives were 9, 61, 19, 57 and 57 yards.  ETBU only allowed 56 rushing yards on 28 attempts. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 03, 2012, 06:39:28 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Labor Day Monday Trinity Tiger JV Football)

Trinity JV-----46   vs.    TLU JV-----0    (in San Antonio; 33-0 at Half Time)
    * We all know this means absolutely nothing regarding this Saturday night's varsity game in Seguin. 


FYI, also today    Tiger Men's Soccer-----3    vs.    Willamette (sp?)-----2     (in OT)
     * Tigers looked tired, 3 games in 4 days (Tigers are 3-0).



                                                          :)   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2012, 10:31:49 AM
Going to make the drive down to Seguin tomorrow and see if Trinity can play as well as they did last week.  There should be a number of young men who remember the spanking two years ago at TLU and help motivate the younger players to avoid a repeat.   :) 

The good news is that after a ridiculous September with highs 100 or more EVERY DAY, a front is supposed to push through in the morning so it will only be in the low 90s at game time. 

Shame the new tollway extension isn't open yet ... wouldn't take long to get from Austin to Seguin at the posted 85 mph speed limit.  The TxDOT cretins have already LOWERED the speed limit on 183, which parallels much of the tollway, from 65 to 55 to try to force more people onto that thing.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 07, 2012, 11:29:55 AM
Definitely going to be a good test for Trinity as TLU always has some good athletes. Whenever I watch them play I'm always amazed by how much bigger they are than the Trinity players as a whole, but that's nothing new. I don't expect to see Mason Lytal to be as freely open as he was last week, which should open up some space for WR's like Kattner, Walker, etc. I honestly feel like this is the best receiving core they've had since Riley Curry, Chris Coleman, Sean Thompson, and Urban back in 2008.

Defense will get a good test against TLU's big OL. I didn't like that HPU drove 2-3 times on them last week with their ground-game, but I expect TLU to try to test things more through the air.

Interesting insight: TLU's kicker Allen Cain is a pre-season All-American and a 1st Teamer after last season. I am in no way doubting his ability because I have seen him kick multiple times in person and he has a BOOT. But I feel like people should take into consideration that he does get to kick on high school field goal posts half of the season....just saying!

I wonder how Austin college is going to come out against ETBU and I wonder which team from last week is going to show up for ETBU. The way they initially played against Wesley could spell big time trouble for AC if they decide to play consistently for once!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 07, 2012, 12:27:39 PM
They don't put brackets/attachments up there? I've seen that at other fields.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 07, 2012, 12:54:20 PM
Nope! At least there weren't any when we were there in '08 and '10. I remember Biel saying after the game winning kick in '08 that the wide goal posts made it a much easier kick pressure wise. He still kicked it dead center though  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3_DPUFan on September 07, 2012, 09:55:10 PM
Good luck to all the (former) SCAC teams...I miss DPU competing in that conference...really good football and fans who care about the game...fun times.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2012, 10:10:25 PM
Quote from: D3_DPUFan on September 07, 2012, 09:55:10 PM
Good luck to all the (former) SCAC teams...I miss DPU competing in that conference...really good football and fans who care about the game...fun times.

Ditto, D3_DPU ... Trinity and AC get one more year against the SAA teams, but it was always good times when TU and DPU played.  Some great, close games over the years.  Good luck in the NCAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 08, 2012, 04:06:59 PM
Austin College beating ETBU at the half 7-0!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: footballfan413 on September 08, 2012, 05:19:18 PM
To fans of D-3 football everywhere.  I am honored to have been asked to spread the word regarding a new cancer fund that has been established to help Tom Pattison, UW-W sports broadcaster and founder of www.warhawkfootball.com    I and my family know, all to well, how a cancer diagnosis can be devastating to a families daily lives and finances. Please, consider making even the smallest donation to Tom.

The following is an open letter by Retired UW-W Coach Bob Berezowitz:

Team Tom Cancer Fund Drive established

Once a Warhawk, always a Warhawk are the often spoken words by Tom Pattison, longtime "voice" of the Warhawks. Over the many years of broadcasting UW-Whitewater football, basketball and baseball games on KOOL 106.5 (and prior to that (940 WFAW), Tom has "bled purple" during each one of his broadcasts.

Unfortunately, on May 28, 2012 Tom was diagnosed with advanced stage 2 colon cancer. He underwent colorectal cancer surgery in Fort Atkinson and in the process has developed astronomical hospital and medical bills.

Tom has already gone through the first phase of radiation treatment at the UW Cancer Clinic along with chemotherapy with phase two starting later this month.

Tom has given his heart and soul to Warhawk athletics over his 25 years of living here in southern Wisconsin. He served six years as the president of the UW-Whitewater Quarterback Club and still serves on the club's board of directors.

In 2003 Tom founded Warhawkfootball.com where Warhawk fans, players, former players and parents have been able to view up-to-date Warhawk football news and information 365 days a year. Nearly 1.5 million visitors have clicked onto the Website over the years.

The Website that has been funded entirely by Tom has been a popular "voice" for Warhawk football fans not only locally but around the world.

Well now Tom needs your assistance in his battle with cancer.

With the help and leadership of UW-Whitewater Director of Intercollegiate Athletics Dr. Paul Plinke and former Warhawk football coach Bob Berezowitz and KOOL 106.5 Radio a team has been set up to lead a campaign to raise funds for Tom.

The "Team Tom Cancer Fund" has been established through Commercial Bank in Whitewater and is now accepting donations.

Donations may be sent to: Team Tom Cancer Fund, c/o Commercial Bank, 200 South Freemont St. Whitewater, WI 53190


The fund raising drive will also include Tom Pattison Day at Perkins Stadium on Oct. 6, 2012. More details will be announced shortly.

"I have known Tom for many years while coaching and now in retirement," Berezowitz said. "There is not another person who has given more of himself to help promote UW-Whitewater football. He is always writing articles for both past and present players that are published on his Website.

It is now our turn to say "thank you" for his efforts by considering making a donation to the to assist Tom in his time of need.

Go Warhawks,
Bob Berezowitz
UW-Whitewater Football Coach/Retired
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 09, 2012, 12:01:09 AM
Impressive performance by Trinity tonight at TLU in a 31-7 win.  After a bit of a slow start offensively (it was pretty windy for the first half) the team dominated on both sides of the ball.      The Bulldogs' only score came on a bomb to Bode where the Trinity defender fell with the ball in the air.  Three lost fumbles kept the score from being even more lopsided.

Nyk McKissick didn't quite match last week's numbers with some passes just out of the reach of receivers in the first half, but was an effective 15-25 for 263 yds and 3 TDs with no interceptions.  The team went almost exclusively to the run in the second half with starter Pat Granichelli (73 yds, 16 carries) and first year Matt Williams (78 yards, 13 carries) leading the team to 185 yards on the ground.   Defensively, Tommy Boboy had three of the team's seven sacks and four of Trinity's 11 tackles for loss.  Tom Puskarich led all tacklers with ten tackles (five solo), with 1,5 sacks and 3.5 TFL. 

Trinity outgained TLU 448-167. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 09, 2012, 06:01:34 PM
I wanted to say that Trinity looked "sloppy" in this one but I'm going to have to agree that the wind was a huge factor in keeping this one from getting as bad as the HPU game. Mckissic barely missed several long balls that would have gone for TD's and I've got to think he would have made them had the wind not been as crazy as it was.

Once again Trinity let a team drive on them initially before completely shutting them done after the first two possessions by TLU. Problem is they won't be able to "get going" against teams like Mary Hardin Baylor so they need to start coming out hot. Missed field goal by Biel looked rushed and they probably should have just taken the penalty. Secondary looked pretty good and the d-line completely dominated. I was incredibly impressed by the freshman RB Matt Williams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 09, 2012, 06:16:21 PM
Also something I wanted to mention - I found it incredibly annoying the way TLU called timeouts at the very end of the game - the last being with 9 seconds remaining. I would assume it was to try to make the game somewhat closer score wise, but they did it last year as well and I find it very frustrating
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2012, 10:30:23 AM
Nyk McKissic is featured in this week's Around the South Region (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2012/Football-family-and-schoolwork-lure-transfer-to-Trinity).  Thanks for another fine column, Kyle!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on September 12, 2012, 04:23:57 AM
I'm a HUGE Kyle fan, too!  You rock! ETG... Saint Nyk IS the real deal!  Can't wait to face off against UMHB!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2012, 10:58:18 AM
So an interesting trip to Alpine for Trinity this week.  Normally you' could say "no biggie, it's Sul Ross" but they've got some transfers that are helping them put serious points on the board against D2 competition.   Combine that with the what, ten hour bus trip plus a 1pm start and you suddenly have a much more interesting game than could have been expected when the schedule was filled out.

Sul Ross is 0-2 against that D2 competition (Eastern/Western New Mexico State Univ) but have put 79 points on the board.  They've allowed 92 points and nearly 300 yards rushing per game.   Sully has a running back (Dominique Carson) averaging 150+ on the ground and QB AJ Springer, a senior transfer from D2 Lincoln, is averaging 240 through the air with 8 TDs and 3 interceptions.   Carson had 369 all-purpose yards in the first game so the TU defense will definitely have to pay a lot of attention to him.   Could be an interesting game!

Massey (whose site has all kinds of nice features now like historical head-to-head results and season simulations in addition to all-division ratings) has Trinity a very solid favorite on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2012, 11:14:29 AM
An interesting bit of trivia:  if Trinity wins tomorrow, they will improve to .500 all time (6-6) against the Lobos.   The two teams played 11 games between 1976 and 1981, playing home-and-away most years, but have not played since then.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 14, 2012, 12:53:48 PM
The weather isn't supposed to be very good in the TU/Sul Ross Game with a 50% chance of storms. Regardless I bet it will be pretty windy so I expect Trinity to keep things on the ground. I'll most likely be making the trip to do the internet broadcast so be sure to tune in if you can!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3Kyle on September 14, 2012, 02:20:23 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 14, 2012, 10:58:18 AM
So an interesting trip to Alpine for Trinity this week.  Normally you' could say "no biggie, it's Sul Ross" but they've got some transfers that are helping them put serious points on the board against D2 competition.   Combine that with the what, ten hour bus trip plus a 1pm start and you suddenly have a much more interesting game than could have been expected when the schedule was filled out.

Sul Ross is 0-2 against that D2 competition (Eastern/Western New Mexico State Univ) but have put 79 points on the board.  They've allowed 92 points and nearly 300 yards rushing per game.   Sully has a running back (Dominique Carson) averaging 150+ on the ground and QB AJ Springer, a senior transfer from D2 Lincoln, is averaging 240 through the air with 8 TDs and 3 interceptions.   Carson had 369 all-purpose yards in the first game so the TU defense will definitely have to pay a lot of attention to him.   Could be an interesting game!

Massey (whose site has all kinds of nice features now like historical head-to-head results and season simulations in addition to all-division ratings) has Trinity a very solid favorite on Saturday.

Sul Ross is intriguing this year - while following the ASC pretty closely for 6+ years now the struggles of getting kids to Alpine, TX are tremendous despite being a state school - they always seem to have really good skill position players. Depth is always the issue - but the offensive trio of Carson & Carothers with Hardy could be lethal. Also following the Lone Star Conference closely for more then a decade, which ENMU recently left, I know that they have not been a strong program and a long while. However, with scholarship money - there seems to bring better depth of players (especially in comparison to D3); if SRS is holding up its end against two Division II schools this well, I think they could move to that middle tier of the ASC. I'm not so sure about this weekend against Trinity, but I think if they can hold it together and keep that offensive trio healthy - they could be a 4-5 win team this season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2012, 02:09:43 PM
Sul Ross drives it right down the field on the opening series, Springer goes 6-6 and it's 7-0 early in Alpine.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2012, 02:18:29 PM
Trinity keeps it mostly on the ground before tying it at 7, SRSU stats say Darling is at QB but more likely Blaschke if they are going by the #.  8 yd pass to Granchelli for the score, more than half the first quarter to go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2012, 02:30:51 PM
Either there's a weather delay, a substantial injury delay, or the live stat feed from SRSU is down.  I can't get streaming video on the plane (apparently they disable it).    After a sack on first down, the TU defense had just forced Springer's first incomplete pass on third and nine.  Grr.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2012, 02:36:47 PM
@Trinity_Sports just tweeted 14-7 Trinity, 2nd quarter, so the live stats are dead.  Figures!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 02:45:37 PM
It's 21-14 right now. Blaschke is in at QB and running all over the Sul Ross defense. I'm not exactly sure what happened to Mckissic but the offense doesn't look to be suffering too much. The Sul Ross offense is doing extremely well driving on Trinity. I'm starting to think those close games with their D2 opponents were no fluke - they've got some great players.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 02:49:01 PM
21-21 Sul Ross scores on a great screen play for about a 60 yarder. Great blocking by Sul Ross - Trinity's defense is on its heels for the first time in awhileeee
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 02:58:54 PM
28-21 Sul Ross now. A 50 yard touchdown run by the Lobos was called back on a penalty but they still drive down for the score.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 03:16:26 PM
Field goal by Sul Ross makes it 31-21 Sul Ross at the end of the second half. Trinity's defense is going to really have to step things up in all areas if they want to come back in this one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 03:49:25 PM
Trinity fumbles on the opening drive of the second half. Blaschke back in at qb. Lobos driving on Trinity big 3rd and 1 right now.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 03:51:37 PM
Trinity gives up a deep ball on Sul Ross's first drive of the 2nd half. 38-21 Lobos. Trinity getting it's first test through the air and so far it isn't looking good at all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 04:04:34 PM
After an int by Blaschke Sul Ross scores on another deep ball. Trinity comes back with a drive of their own capitalized by a long 3rd down run by Pat Granchelli. 45-28 Sul Ros 4:38 left in the 3rd. Trinity not giving up yet
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 04:12:22 PM
Trinity secondary gives up a deep TD pass on 3rd and 12. 52-28 Sul Ross 2 mins left in the 3rd.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2012, 04:21:45 PM
Enjoying the PAWS cast, Historymajor.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 04:59:58 PM
Trinity can pretty much kiss it's playoff hopes goodbye with an absolute thrashing at the hands of Sul Ross State. The Lobo's absolutely dismantle the Tigers secondary with a 62-35 win. I don't think a team has put up 60 points on Trinity since the early 90's. The Lobo's exposed the inexperience of the Trinity secondary and really took it to them. This turns what could have been an epic top 10 matchup next week with UMHB into a really confusing game as Trinity could potentially drop out of the top 25 with this loss. In my opinion though, Sul Ross is not joke from what I saw today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TXMike on September 15, 2012, 05:03:44 PM
Any word on what happened to the normal TU QB?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on September 15, 2012, 05:14:34 PM
Today's thrashing was not solely an issue of the secondary.  Sul Ross couldn't be stopped in any way.  They really just did whatever they wanted all game long and you can only do that to Trinity if you have great players, which Sul Ross apparently has all of a sudden. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: bladerunner on September 15, 2012, 06:31:19 PM
As bad as things were during the 90-92 seasons, TU never gave up 60+.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2012, 06:40:10 PM
To say the result today is shocking would be an understatement.  Wow. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2012, 07:08:49 PM
Asuza Pacific defeated Trinity by a score of 55-27 in 2009.
Millsaps defeated Trinity 56-27 in 2008.
UMHB scored 52 points on Trinity in the 2007 playoffs, winning 52-23.
Central defeated Trinity 56-14 in 1986.
Southern Miss defeated Trinity 53-31 in 1970.

but you have to go all the way back to 1962 to find the last time Trinity allowed 60+, to West Texas (61-0).   And you have to go back to 1949 to find a Trinity team allowing 62 more more (66-19 loss v. HSU). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 15, 2012, 09:39:54 PM
8:56 left in 3Q
AC 16 SWAG 10
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 15, 2012, 09:57:26 PM
3:07  3Q SWAG scores SWAG ahead 17-16
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 15, 2012, 10:27:35 PM
3:32 4Q
AC  22  SWAG  17
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 15, 2012, 10:36:10 PM
1:15 left
AC kicks FG ahead 25-17
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 15, 2012, 10:45:33 PM
AC holds on for victory 25-17 ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2012, 10:58:37 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 15, 2012, 10:45:33 PM
AC holds on for victory 25-17 ;D
Congrats!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 11:13:02 PM
Unfortunately we won't know if Sul Ross is for sure legit until their game in two weeks against UMHB but what are the thoughts? Was Trinity's secondary just exposed or were they that much better on offense? I've never seen anybody have their way with trinity like that and so I honestly think Sul Ross should get some major points this week in the polls.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2012, 11:20:41 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 11:13:02 PM
Unfortunately we won't know if Sul Ross is for sure legit until their game in two weeks against UMHB but what are the thoughts? Was Trinity's secondary just exposed or were they that much better on offense? I've never seen anybody have their way with trinity like that and so I honestly think Sul Ross should get some major points this week in the polls.
Having seen both the SRSU-TU game and the McMurry-TU playoff game on video,  SRSU's skill players were every bit as good as McMurry's 2011contingent. I thought that TU's overall lack of team speed hurt them again this year.

I want to see how SRSU's lines match against UMHB.  Also LiDarrell Bailey is playing like a senior!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 11:27:44 PM
Except McMurry had one of the top offenses in the nation and Trinity limited them to 25 points. Trinity is obviously hurting from the loss of Tyler Barrett and Antonio Debouse but other than that they aren't missing too much more. I guess I'm still just in shock. How does a team go from 2-8 to upsetting the #11 Team in the Nation? Did their transfers make that big of a difference? Sul Ross has a stellar offense but I think they will have to step up majorly on defense if they want to come away with another big win at UMHB.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 16, 2012, 01:16:30 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 11:27:44 PM
Except McMurry had one of the top offenses in the nation and Trinity limited them to 25 points. Trinity is obviously hurting from the loss of Tyler Barrett and Antonio Debouse but other than that they aren't missing too much more. I guess I'm still just in shock. How does a team go from 2-8 to upsetting the #11 Team in the Nation? Did their transfers make that big of a difference? Sul Ross has a stellar offense but I think they will have to step up majorly on defense if they want to come away with another big win at UMHB.
I agree.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 17, 2012, 03:19:03 PM
Austin College's win had some other rewards.  AC swept the SCAC players of the week.  See link below.

http://www.austincollege.edu/57111/football-sweeps-scac-weekly-honors/#.UFdzXZ-BroM.twitter (http://www.austincollege.edu/57111/football-sweeps-scac-weekly-honors/#.UFdzXZ-BroM.twitter)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: d3Kyle on September 17, 2012, 08:45:08 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 15, 2012, 11:27:44 PM
Except McMurry had one of the top offenses in the nation and Trinity limited them to 25 points. Trinity is obviously hurting from the loss of Tyler Barrett and Antonio Debouse but other than that they aren't missing too much more. I guess I'm still just in shock. How does a team go from 2-8 to upsetting the #11 Team in the Nation? Did their transfers make that big of a difference? Sul Ross has a stellar offense but I think they will have to step up majorly on defense if they want to come away with another big win at UMHB.
Tiger guy, all due respect if Jake Mullin was playing last year during the playoff game that 25 points would have likely been a much higher number.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on September 17, 2012, 09:16:03 PM
I see on the SCAC twitter account that they say a big announcement was coming tomorrow, anybody got any guesses on what it could be?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
Quote from: crufootball on September 17, 2012, 09:16:03 PM
I see on the SCAC twitter account that they say a big announcement was coming tomorrow, anybody got any guesses on what it could be?

Guesses would be another team (or two) coming to the conference, some sort of an affiliate deal with someone (is there anyone?) to get them closer to the full seven teams needed to make football an AQ sport down the line, or possibly someone currently in/joining the conference (re-)adding football.

I've surmised HSU might join the SCAC so let me put it out there again. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2012, 11:39:13 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2012, 10:53:47 PM
Quote from: crufootball on September 17, 2012, 09:16:03 PM
I see on the SCAC twitter account that they say a big announcement was coming tomorrow, anybody got any guesses on what it could be?

Guesses would be another team (or two) coming to the conference, some sort of an affiliate deal with someone (is there anyone?) to get them closer to the full seven teams needed to make football an AQ sport down the line, or possibly someone currently in/joining the conference (re-)adding football.

I've surmised HSU might join the SCAC so let me put it out there again. 

Centenary adding football?  A good possibility.
UDallas adding football?  Unlikely.
Colorado College resuming football?  Unlikely.

LeTourneau would make a good addition to the conference, and a nice travel partner for Centenary.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2012, 10:05:56 AM
None of the above.  Announced 5 affiliate members from the USA South for men's lacrosse. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 18, 2012, 10:42:36 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2012, 10:05:56 AM
None of the above.  Announced 5 affiliate members from the USA South for men's lacrosse.
Okay, a full Pool A conference that can split into divisions to ease travel issues. They can have a post-season tourney to determine the Pool A bid.



I have given this a second look. I only see three core lacrosse SCAC members at this time, Colorado Coll,  Southwestern and UDallas. I am not sure how the transition time allows for the addition of new programs. Does Trinity start Lacrosse this season?  Centenary may not be a full member in time, unless Centenary in in Year 3 and Year 3.  Having only 3 lacrosse teams is like having only 2 football teams this year. I think that the Lacrosse Pool A for the SCAC went away in 2013-14.  I look for comments from other posters.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 18, 2012, 09:17:02 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: QB with a hot hand.)


On Saturday Trinity ran into a potential "DI Level" quarterback with a very hot hand; these +or- 500 yard performances are very hard for a team to overcome. We have all seen this many times before (remember the Tiger's Mike Burton and/or Roy Hampton). The best way around this situation is for the guy to just not play (i.e. the 2002 Stagg Bowl). Many, including myself in a huge way, questioned how wise it was to schedule Mary-Hardin Baylor during the 2012 regular season. The coaches absolutely made the right decision; if the Tiger's were not playing Mary-Hardin Baylor the Trinity chance of a playoff slot would be somewhere between slim and none? I was told that Trinity has to beat them sometime this season, it may as well be in Week 4. So, on we go this Saturday; the playoffs begin in San Antonio eight weeks ahead of time.



                                                 :)     We face Mary-Hardin Baylor    NOT   John Wesly Hardin      :)

                                                                             "We will live for another Playoff"

                                                                          :)   Go Tigers, Go    :)




Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on September 19, 2012, 07:20:51 AM
SAA Predictions:

Sep. 22    Sewanee       Austin    Sewanee needs road win to get back on track, Tigers by 13   
      
             Kalamazoo       Centre    Centre gets right at home, wins by 21   
      
     Birmingham Southern       Rhodes       BSC bust Rhodes balloon win by 17
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2012, 08:06:00 PM
I just can't understand what's going on in SA.   42-7 UMHB in the first half.

Just wow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: devildog29 on September 22, 2012, 09:23:17 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 22, 2012, 08:06:00 PM
I just can't understand what's going on in SA.   42-7 UMHB in the first half.

Just wow.

I was at this game and left at half.  Quite simply, UMHB's offense was on another level than Trinity's defense.  Trinity offense had a turnover deep in it's own territory for UMHB's 3rd score in the 1st quarter.  Trinity came back and scored and moved the ball well, but down 35-7, Trinity throws a pick on the UMHB goal line that nearly went for 6.  UMHB simply had better athletes from what I saw.  Don't know how the 2nd half played out, but that was the story in the first half. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2012, 12:27:06 PM
Trinity coach Steve Mohr is going to be inducted into Denison's athletic hall-of-fame:  http://www.thecourier.com/Issues/2012/Sep/23/ar_sports_092312_story11.asp?d=092312_story11,2012,Sep,23&c=s

Congratulations, coach!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2012, 10:44:37 AM
The ASC is losing Mississippi College, Kyle Robarts reports:  http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2012/09/mississippi-college-chooses-d2

They will need to get either one of their non-FB schools to start football, or add/affilliate a school that does offer it, or will lose their AQ two years after MC leaves the conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 27, 2012, 11:03:03 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2012, 10:44:37 AM
The ASC is losing Mississippi College, Kyle Robarts reports:  http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2012/09/mississippi-college-chooses-d2

They will need to get either one of their non-FB schools to start football, or add/affilliate a school that does offer it, or will lose their AQ two years after MC leaves the conference.

So what are the chances of a Trinity/Austin affiliation with ASC for football? I know they would not consider this ideal from the like-institution prospective, but will it become necessary?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2012, 11:27:27 AM
Next year the SCAC will have four football schools as Southwestern and TLU come on-line, so it would have to be an all-or-nothing decision. 

Can't really see it happening, to be honest.  If you join a conference to get access to a bid, but you have no chance of winning one given UMHB's dominance and funding superiority (yes, Trinity/AC/SW may have larger endowments, but they don't spend it on athletics and don't have someone giving them tens of millions for football/athletics), what have you gained other than not having to worry as much about scheduling? 

Trinity, AC, TLU all made the decision to leave the ASC or its predecessor (the TIAA); it's hard to see them going back even for just one sport.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2012, 07:51:00 PM
How does the SCAC move to the AQ?

1) Trinity
2) AC
3) Southwestern
4) TLU
5) ? Centenary ?
6) ? Schreiner ? The Mountaineers had football when they were a JUCO.
7) ? another school that wanted to add football in the SCAC versus the ASC.

I keep expecting Colorado College to move to non-football D-II before adding football at the D-III level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2012, 09:34:56 AM
It's a quandary.  I'm sure Plan A was a UAA alliance but we all know what happened there.  Is Plan B to get back to seven, or is it just do your own thing as it will be for the forseeable future?

As I said in the ASC board, I could see the SCAC inviting HSU, but I don't know if the Cowboys have enough interest in the possibilities to overcome the lack of a football bid.  If the ASC doesn't do something to get that seventh football team back - and you can bet they'll try, this IS (largely) Texas - a SCAC offer could have more appeal.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2012, 10:37:33 PM
Trinity gets the win tonight but it was much closer than it should have been due to some turnovers that gave Rhodes a very short field for most of their scores.  The D stuffed the Lynx run, but one guy (Lartigue) ended up with 18 catches and the bulk of the Lynx' yardage (160 of 212 yards).   There will be plenty to work on in the off week prior to the game at B-SC. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2012, 11:25:31 AM
Good discussion of MC's impending departure (and impact on ASC, SCAC, and the national picture] just after the 55:30 mark of this week's Around the Nation podcast. (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2012/10/01/atn-podcast-welcome-to-october/)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 01, 2012, 01:57:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2012, 11:25:31 AM
Good discussion of MC's impending departure (and impact on ASC, SCAC, and the national picture] just after the 55:30 mark of this week's Around the Nation podcast. (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2012/10/01/atn-podcast-welcome-to-october/)

Thank you for getting to the 55:30 mark in the ATN podcast!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 06, 2012, 02:15:08 PM
In Sherman, early in 1st Q - Rhodes leads 6 - 0
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 06, 2012, 02:22:14 PM
At 4:51 in 1st Q   AC kicks FG and score is now Rhodes 6  AC 3
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 06, 2012, 03:02:21 PM
Halftime in Sherman
Rhodes  13
AC 6
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 06, 2012, 03:37:40 PM
10:06 in 3Q AC ties score on TD pass 13 - 13
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 06, 2012, 03:47:26 PM
Rhodes goes up 20 - 13 5 minutes to go in 3Q
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 06, 2012, 11:31:01 PM
Just got home from my road trip to Sherman.  I must say I was disappointed today.  AC had a chance to win one today out gaining Rhodes 272 yards to 224 yards but committed 12 penalties for 102 yards including numerous illegal procedure calls and three personal fouls.  Hard to win like that and it is not typical of AC.

That being said I feel sure Coach Dawson will address this and do not expect to see it again.  I still like the new look for the team this year and their overall play and believe Coach Dawson is building a good foundation!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 12, 2012, 10:46:37 AM
K-Mack goes out on a limb and picks Trinity to upset B-SC on the road in this week's Triple Take (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2012/10/12/triple-take-conjuring-up-the-past/).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 12, 2012, 11:04:40 AM
He didn't seem real confident about it though. I guess that's what predicting upsets are for. When you look at it though, Trinity has one really bad mystery loss and a loss to what probably is one of the 3 best teams in the country. Lots of teams have one bad loss, and I don't think Trinity is as bad as the point spreads in their two losses suggest.

That being said, B-SC did hang with Wesley, on the road, and did beat Huntingdon. So it's not like the Panthers are untested. Personally I think B-SC is a slightly better team, but we'll see how they bounce back after last week.

Hoping to make at least the second half of this game in person. Hard to believe since my W&L plays R-MC in a battle of ODAC conference unbeatens at the same time. But I'm just not sure I can pass up going to see what I consider two very good south region teams play live in my hometown!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 12, 2012, 03:12:38 PM
I can tell you this week's upset possibilities are pretty slim pickin's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on October 13, 2012, 02:08:28 PM
It was pretty much all Trinity until about 8 seconds left in the first half when a BSC receiver somehow got behind 3 Trinity DB's for a huge gain to the 4. BSC then punched it in for their first score to make it 14-7. I like what I'm seeing so far for Trinitys defense
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2012, 02:19:47 PM
Dang,! Wayland Baptist up 8 - 0 on a TD pass and two point PAT of swinging gate. Wayland is HUGE!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2012, 02:29:54 PM
One minute left in first Q, AC drives for TD. Score now 7 - 8!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2012, 02:49:38 PM
4:51 left in half. AC has another drive, now AC leads 14 - 8.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2012, 03:13:53 PM
Halftime, still 14 - 8
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2012, 03:39:13 PM
11 minutes left in third Q. AC leads 21 - 8
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 13, 2012, 03:42:58 PM
I bow to the greatness that is K-Mack.  Been out of pocket all afternoon but just saw the Trinity final.  Well done, men!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2012, 03:51:33 PM
At eigt minutes in third, Wayland scores and makes AC lead 21- 15.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2012, 03:55:46 PM
About two minutes left in third, AC fg makes it 24 - 15
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2012, 04:15:26 PM
8:31 in 4th Q. Wayland scores but misses kick on PAT! AC leads 24 - 21
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 13, 2012, 04:49:42 PM
Wow! AC holds on 4th and a foot at  goal line with 44 seconds left. Wayland used their time outs and AC took an intentional safety. Wayland got the benefit of a questionable interference call to try a 44 yard fg with three seconds left.  AC blocks fg and wins 24 - 23! Much more exciting than being at the Cotton Bowl!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on October 13, 2012, 07:54:16 PM
Great win for Trinity today.  Proud of the way they have bounced back after weeks 3 and 4.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 13, 2012, 10:54:45 PM
Great win for AC. Some good senior day stuff, too. Kevin Leonard got his first career TD, and William Gadberry got a pick. And for non-seniors, so glad to see Colter Headrick block that FG for several reasons, but especially because he's just a really, really good kid. Glad to see him make a big play like that.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 24, 2012, 10:30:35 PM
Some interesting information on the AC homecoming game against Centre!

"The football team was off last weekend but returns to action this Saturday as part of Homecoming Weekend with the team set to take on Centre College at 1:00 p.m. There will be plenty of pregame excitement, highlighted by a flyover by Lieutenant Ross "Jackpot" Jackson, Austin College class of 2002 and TOPGUN instructor. "Jackpot" will be back on campus celebrating his 10 year reunion and will be completing his flyover prior to kickoff, weather permitting."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2012, 10:53:57 AM
Well, it's official, Trinity is your 2012 SCAC football champions.

WTF, you say?  Me too, but per a release from SCAC HQ "[f]or purposes of determining the SCAC champion, games against Southern Athletic Association members count toward the conference standings, as well as the Austin College vs. Trinity game on Nov. 10."

I imagine this will not be the case next year, when there will actually be enough teams to make in-conference results more meaningful. 

Here's the release - http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/trinity_wins_scac_championship
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 29, 2012, 05:40:44 PM
You Tube clip of the Flyover at Austin College's Homecoming game on Saturday vs. Centre.  The anthem is sung by  Alumni choir members  who do this every year at Homecoming.  The jet is a F/A-18 fighter and is piloted by Lieutenant Ross "Jackpot" Jackson (Class of '02).  For more information, please see below the YouTube link below.  It was a great sight to see and I got to talk to "Jackpot" at halftime.  After meeting him it is once again clear to see why we need to be proud of those who serve in our Armed Forces!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YMYtZ8RSCc&feature=share&list=UUFTIpEQKpN5KX4x0mWmTE0A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YMYtZ8RSCc&feature=share&list=UUFTIpEQKpN5KX4x0mWmTE0A)

Top Gun Pilot to Fly Over

Lieutenant Ross "Jackpot" Jackson '02 will fly a U.S. Navy F/A-18 jet from North Texas Regional Airport at Perrin Field southward directly over Apple Stadium at 12:58 p.m. on Saturday, October 27.

This spectacular event will honor the men and women of the United States military as part of the Austin College Homecoming celebration. The flyover will coincide with the presentation of the national anthem prior to the 1 p.m. kickoff of the Homecoming football game. Jackson is a member of the 10-year reunion class.

Jackson, originally of Georgetown, Texas, graduated magna cum laude from Austin College in 2002. He was commissioned as an ensign in Pensacola, Florida, after completing Officer Candidate School in November 2004.

Following flight training in Corpus Christi and Kingsville, Texas, Jackson was designated a naval aviator in March 2007. He completed training in the F/A-18 Super Hornet at NAS Lemoore, California, in March 2008, earning Top Hook awards for carrier qualification in both the T-45 and F/A-18F during his flight training.

Jackson reported to the Black Knights of Strike Fighter Squadron 154 at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California, flying the F/A-18F Super Hornet, in March 2008.  During this tour, deployed aboard the USS John C. Stennis and the USS Ronald Reagan, he served as the squadron Air-to-Ground Weapons Training Officer as well has head landing signals officer.

In March 2011, Jackson reported to the United States Navy Fighter Weapons School, Top Gun.  After graduating from the course, he joined the staff as a Top Gun PGUN Instructor Pilot and now serves as the U.S. Navy's Subject Matter Expert for both the AIM-9 Sidewinder and Aerial Gunnery. At Top Gun, he flies the F/A-18 Hornet, F/A-18 Super Hornet, and F-16 Fighting Falcon.  During his career, he has accumulated more than 1,100 flight hours and more than 225 carrier-arrested landings.

Lt. Jackson now lives in Fallon, Nevada, with his wife, Rachel, and their sons, Otto and Everett.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 31, 2012, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: roocru on October 29, 2012, 05:40:44 PM
You Tube clip of the Flyover at Austin College's Homecoming game on Saturday vs. Centre.  The anthem is sung by  Alumni choir members  who do this every year at Homecoming.  The jet is a F/A-18 fighter and is piloted by Lieutenant Ross "Jackpot" Jackson (Class of '02).  For more information, please see below the YouTube link below.  It was a great sight to see and I got to talk to "Jackpot" at halftime.  After meeting him it is once again clear to see why we need to be proud of those who serve in our Armed Forces!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YMYtZ8RSCc&feature=share&list=UUFTIpEQKpN5KX4x0mWmTE0A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YMYtZ8RSCc&feature=share&list=UUFTIpEQKpN5KX4x0mWmTE0A)

Top Gun Pilot to Fly Over

Lieutenant Ross "Jackpot" Jackson '02 will fly a U.S. Navy F/A-18 jet from North Texas Regional Airport at Perrin Field southward directly over Apple Stadium at 12:58 p.m. on Saturday, October 27.

This spectacular event will honor the men and women of the United States military as part of the Austin College Homecoming celebration. The flyover will coincide with the presentation of the national anthem prior to the 1 p.m. kickoff of the Homecoming football game. Jackson is a member of the 10-year reunion class.

Jackson, originally of Georgetown, Texas, graduated magna cum laude from Austin College in 2002. He was commissioned as an ensign in Pensacola, Florida, after completing Officer Candidate School in November 2004.

Following flight training in Corpus Christi and Kingsville, Texas, Jackson was designated a naval aviator in March 2007. He completed training in the F/A-18 Super Hornet at NAS Lemoore, California, in March 2008, earning Top Hook awards for carrier qualification in both the T-45 and F/A-18F during his flight training.

Jackson reported to the Black Knights of Strike Fighter Squadron 154 at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California, flying the F/A-18F Super Hornet, in March 2008.  During this tour, deployed aboard the USS John C. Stennis and the USS Ronald Reagan, he served as the squadron Air-to-Ground Weapons Training Officer as well has head landing signals officer.

In March 2011, Jackson reported to the United States Navy Fighter Weapons School, Top Gun.  After graduating from the course, he joined the staff as a Top Gun PGUN Instructor Pilot and now serves as the U.S. Navy's Subject Matter Expert for both the AIM-9 Sidewinder and Aerial Gunnery. At Top Gun, he flies the F/A-18 Hornet, F/A-18 Super Hornet, and F-16 Fighting Falcon.  During his career, he has accumulated more than 1,100 flight hours and more than 225 carrier-arrested landings.

Lt. Jackson now lives in Fallon, Nevada, with his wife, Rachel, and their sons, Otto and Everett.

We need more like Lt. Jackson,   8-)

One of the greatest things i have gotten to do in my life so far is to ride / Fly with my Son ( call sign CUFFS) in the F/A 18 simulator at El TORO  Marine Base training center in So CAL a few years ago.. Proud papa..  DC1 8-)

Another Proud moment,
Not to be out done by Son #1,  Son Number#2 handed me the "Walnut & Bronze " In Salem a few years back ...... 8-)

Go Cats
Go Big D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 31, 2012, 12:48:05 PM
Quote from: desertcat1 on October 31, 2012, 11:21:51 AM
Quote from: roocru on October 29, 2012, 05:40:44 PM
You Tube clip of the Flyover at Austin College's Homecoming game on Saturday vs. Centre.  The anthem is sung by  Alumni choir members  who do this every year at Homecoming.  The jet is a F/A-18 fighter and is piloted by Lieutenant Ross "Jackpot" Jackson (Class of '02).  For more information, please see below the YouTube link below.  It was a great sight to see and I got to talk to "Jackpot" at halftime.  After meeting him it is once again clear to see why we need to be proud of those who serve in our Armed Forces!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YMYtZ8RSCc&feature=share&list=UUFTIpEQKpN5KX4x0mWmTE0A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YMYtZ8RSCc&feature=share&list=UUFTIpEQKpN5KX4x0mWmTE0A)

Top Gun Pilot to Fly Over

Lieutenant Ross "Jackpot" Jackson '02 will fly a U.S. Navy F/A-18 jet from North Texas Regional Airport at Perrin Field southward directly over Apple Stadium at 12:58 p.m. on Saturday, October 27.

This spectacular event will honor the men and women of the United States military as part of the Austin College Homecoming celebration. The flyover will coincide with the presentation of the national anthem prior to the 1 p.m. kickoff of the Homecoming football game. Jackson is a member of the 10-year reunion class.

Jackson, originally of Georgetown, Texas, graduated magna cum laude from Austin College in 2002. He was commissioned as an ensign in Pensacola, Florida, after completing Officer Candidate School in November 2004.

Following flight training in Corpus Christi and Kingsville, Texas, Jackson was designated a naval aviator in March 2007. He completed training in the F/A-18 Super Hornet at NAS Lemoore, California, in March 2008, earning Top Hook awards for carrier qualification in both the T-45 and F/A-18F during his flight training.

Jackson reported to the Black Knights of Strike Fighter Squadron 154 at Naval Air Station Lemoore, California, flying the F/A-18F Super Hornet, in March 2008.  During this tour, deployed aboard the USS John C. Stennis and the USS Ronald Reagan, he served as the squadron Air-to-Ground Weapons Training Officer as well has head landing signals officer.

In March 2011, Jackson reported to the United States Navy Fighter Weapons School, Top Gun.  After graduating from the course, he joined the staff as a Top Gun PGUN Instructor Pilot and now serves as the U.S. Navy's Subject Matter Expert for both the AIM-9 Sidewinder and Aerial Gunnery. At Top Gun, he flies the F/A-18 Hornet, F/A-18 Super Hornet, and F-16 Fighting Falcon.  During his career, he has accumulated more than 1,100 flight hours and more than 225 carrier-arrested landings.

Lt. Jackson now lives in Fallon, Nevada, with his wife, Rachel, and their sons, Otto and Everett.

We need more like Lt. Jackson,   8-)

One of the greatest things i have gotten to do in my life so far is to ride / Fly with my Son ( call sign CUFFS) in the F/A 18 simulator at El TORO  Marine Base training center in So CAL a few years ago.. Proud papa..  DC1 8-)

Another Proud moment,
Not to be out done by Son #1,  Son Number#2 handed me the "Walnut & Bronze " In Salem a few years back ...... 8-)

Go Cats
Go Big D

What year?  My son was the middle linebacker on the UMHB team that came close to you guys in 2004.   :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on October 31, 2012, 01:11:42 PM
Roocru, 

89' to current .. 8-)  Walnut & Bronze in 2004..   

I stayed locked in the hotel(germmmms) :'( away from the team with a temp of 104* until  we let the cat out of bag at game time..
It would be nice to get back to salem and be able to enjoy the sights  too.   But , first things first this year..  8-)
Go Cats
Go Big D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 03, 2012, 01:22:46 PM
Anybody getting the TU/Sewanee stats/video to work?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 03, 2012, 02:38:55 PM
I've never had any luck with that new page of theirs.  Last I heard 24-0 TU at half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on November 11, 2012, 06:47:02 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Trinity Tigers win "Old SCAC.)


Week 11----  Trinity  42        Austin College    13
Tigers win 6 game round-robin "Old SCAC" (5-1) ; season  (7-3).

3 losses:
UMHB, enough said!
Sul Ross, real D3 players?
Centre, who knows why, possibly QB problems?

Sounds like "sour-grapes"?  Not really, Tigers averaged 40+ points in their last three games. This team was "ready-for-some-football".   Well, maybe next year?

                                                                                        :)   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2012, 10:25:48 PM
So courtesy of our friends on the SAA board I see some company called "Harvard Pilgrim" is using the Trinity Miracle play video (sans acknowledgement of the teams involved) in some advertising.  See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDy959qrJj8 ... gotta wonder about their use of this.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Shoreman on November 12, 2012, 05:45:40 AM
You would think Harvard Pilgrim a large medical insurance company would at least make a donation to Trinity & Millsaps football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: evacuee on November 14, 2012, 12:05:38 AM
Does anyone know where Nyk McKissic was in the last four weeks of the season?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 14, 2012, 09:20:34 AM
He suffered a concussion in the Centre game and didn't return. The trainers advised him not to risk getting hurt further, since I believe he hopes to attend law school. I must say that Blashchke played very well the last three games, though. Next year Trinity should finally be able to run the option again, something they haven't done in about four years. In the final game against Austin College, Mckissic took the last snap of the game as an "honorary play" to close out his career - the sideline and stands went nuts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2012, 10:44:59 AM
Very happy Nyk was given the chance to close out his career.  What a shame about the concussion. 

Blaschke's a talent - he had some very nice throws on Saturday.  Just needs to work on the INTs a bit.  :-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: historymajor on November 22, 2012, 04:01:08 AM
Bonzo,,, The Harvard Pilgrim use of the "Miracle" footage WAS widely discussed AND agreed upon.  This is copyrighted material that in this case benefited nicely to both programs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 16, 2013, 12:48:17 PM
OK ... let's see where teams stand on scheduling for 2013:

Austin:  schedule here (http://www.acroos.com/sports/fball/2013-14/schedule).
@Rhodes, ETBU, @Oxy, @Trinity, SW, @TLU, SAGU, Hendrix, @SW, Trinity.
Yes, home and away with both Trinity and Southwestern but not TLU. 

Southwestern: not up
TLU:  not up
Trinity:  not up
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on January 16, 2013, 09:38:32 PM
Trinity plays CWRU in Cleveland 10/26/13
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2013, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 16, 2013, 09:38:32 PM
Trinity plays CWRU in Cleveland 10/26/13

So Case is playing Trinity and Linfield next year?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on January 17, 2013, 07:09:58 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 17, 2013, 11:35:18 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on January 16, 2013, 09:38:32 PM
Trinity plays CWRU in Cleveland 10/26/13

So Case is playing Trinity and Linfield next year?

That's what I see.  Both games in Cleveland.

Equally intriguing, but much less challenging is a trip to Puget Sound as well.

The published schedule only has 9 games (4 at home), but I don't think Spartans will add Wesley.

This is the "gap" year between the NCAC agreement and joining PAC.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2013, 12:22:45 AM
Trinity 2013 (http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/schedule) schedule is now up.  No big surprises other than the CWRU game announced already:

@HPU, TLU, Sul Ross, Austin, @MHB, Millsaps (ok, a bit of a surprise, but thanks, Majors), @SW, @CWRU, SW, @Austin


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on February 04, 2013, 10:05:41 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 19, 2013, 12:22:45 AM
Trinity 2013 (http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/schedule) schedule is now up.  No big surprises other than the CWRU game announced already:

@HPU, TLU, Sul Ross, Austin, @MHB, Millsaps (ok, a bit of a surprise, but thanks, Majors), @SW, @CWRU, SW, @Austin

Home and homes with Austin and Southwestern?  Yikes...I hope y'all can find a league.  Soon. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2013, 03:24:35 PM
Me too, Wally, but the way it looks now they've got a hard road ahead of them.

Trinity today announced Jerheme Urban has been hired/promoted to Offensive Coordinator:  http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/02-07-13_fb_urban - was secondary coach last season.    He replaces Jason Guthrie who took the OC role at Millsaps. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 07, 2013, 07:39:20 AM
Very sorry to hear today that Roy Hampton, quarterback of the only Trinity squad to make it to the Stagg Bowl in 2002, passed away on March 2nd.  My condolences to his family and all who knew him.

http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dfw/obituary.aspx?n=roy-andrew-hampton&pid=163461004&fhid=2985#fbLoggedOut

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on March 07, 2013, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2013, 03:24:35 PM
Me too, Wally, but the way it looks now they've got a hard road ahead of them.

Trinity today announced Jerheme Urban has been hired/promoted to Offensive Coordinator:  http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/02-07-13_fb_urban - was secondary coach last season.    He replaces Jason Guthrie who took the OC role at Millsaps.

Think there could be a chance for all of us Texas schools and the rest of the ASC to form a football only conference so we could have more games on the schedule?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2013, 08:30:42 PM
Quote from: crufootball on March 07, 2013, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2013, 03:24:35 PM
Me too, Wally, but the way it looks now they've got a hard road ahead of them.

Trinity today announced Jerheme Urban has been hired/promoted to Offensive Coordinator:  http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/02-07-13_fb_urban - was secondary coach last season.    He replaces Jason Guthrie who took the OC role at Millsaps.

Think there could be a chance for all of us Texas schools and the rest of the ASC to form a football only conference so we could have more games on the schedule?
No.  If/when UMHB moves to D-2, then there might be a chance for the remaining 10 teams to form a conference.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: willystyle on March 18, 2013, 02:32:01 PM
Following on Bedtime's post from last week, this is from Trinity's website:

http://www.trinitytigers.com/legends/Roy_Hampton (http://www.trinitytigers.com/legends/Roy_Hampton)

I sure am thankful I got to watch this guy play football, but I'm more thankful for the chance to have known my friend Roy.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: UMHB03 on March 18, 2013, 06:46:08 PM
Any educated guesses as to when Southwestern and TLU's schedules will be released?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2013, 09:02:07 AM
Southwestern's schedule is out:  http://www.southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-footbl/2012-13/SU_FootballSchedule_2013.jpg

Other than the SCAC sched (and Trinity and Austin home and away), @Bacone, @Hendrix, OK Baptist, closing at D-3 provisional Southern Virginia.   SV was an NAIA independent until 2011.   This year was their first year of D3 provisional membershiip but the football team played basically an NAIA schedule competing in the NSCAA.   They'll join the NJAC as an associate football-only member in 2014.   

Speaking of Southwestern, one of their so-called supporters withdrew his $5M pledge for the football program, ostensibly because he doesn't like the new president's financial ability.  Yes, and pulling back a $5M commitment is going to make that better?  The guy hasn't even started yet!  The school says FB will go forward:  http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/withdrawn-gift-wont-stop-footballs-return-to-south/nXXBc/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 25, 2013, 03:23:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2013, 09:02:07 AM
Southwestern's schedule is out:  http://www.southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-footbl/2012-13/SU_FootballSchedule_2013.jpg

Other than the SCAC sched (and Trinity and Austin home and away), @Bacone, @Hendrix, OK Baptist, closing at D-3 provisional Southern Virginia.   SV was an NAIA independent until 2011.   This year was their first year of D3 provisional membershiip but the football team played basically an NAIA schedule competing in the NSCAA.   They'll join the NJAC as an associate football-only member in 2014.   

Speaking of Southwestern, one of their so-called supporters withdrew his $5M pledge for the football program, ostensibly because he doesn't like the new president's financial ability.  Yes, and pulling back a $5M commitment is going to make that better?  The guy hasn't even started yet!  The school says FB will go forward:  http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/withdrawn-gift-wont-stop-footballs-return-to-south/nXXBc/

Both Southwestern and Texas Lutheran's schedules are on our website.

http://www.d3football.com/teams/Texas_Lutheran/2013/index
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Southwestern/2013/index
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 25, 2013, 03:28:00 PM
Thanks for the link to the news story. Putting it in What We're Reading.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 26, 2013, 11:46:44 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 25, 2013, 09:02:07 AM
Southwestern's schedule is out:  http://www.southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-footbl/2012-13/SU_FootballSchedule_2013.jpg

Other than the SCAC sched (and Trinity and Austin home and away), @Bacone, @Hendrix, OK Baptist, closing at D-3 provisional Southern Virginia.   SV was an NAIA independent until 2011.   This year was their first year of D3 provisional membershiip but the football team played basically an NAIA schedule competing in the NSCAA.   They'll join the NJAC as an associate football-only member in 2014.   

Speaking of Southwestern, one of their so-called supporters withdrew his $5M pledge for the football program, ostensibly because he doesn't like the new president's financial ability.  Yes, and pulling back a $5M commitment is going to make that better?  The guy hasn't even started yet!  The school says FB will go forward:  http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/withdrawn-gift-wont-stop-footballs-return-to-south/nXXBc/

Man that stinks about the money being pulled, I am glad to see they are still moving forward with everything.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on May 03, 2013, 12:54:54 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 07, 2013, 08:30:42 PM
Quote from: crufootball on March 07, 2013, 05:50:55 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 07, 2013, 03:24:35 PM
Me too, Wally, but the way it looks now they've got a hard road ahead of them.

Trinity today announced Jerheme Urban has been hired/promoted to Offensive Coordinator:  http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2012-13/releases/02-07-13_fb_urban - was secondary coach last season.    He replaces Jason Guthrie who took the OC role at Millsaps.

Think there could be a chance for all of us Texas schools and the rest of the ASC to form a football only conference so we could have more games on the schedule?
No.  If/when UMHB moves to D-2, then there might be a chance for the remaining 10 teams to form a conference.

From all indications, this is not going to happen. From what I understand from the limited resources, this question has been asked and the answer has always been "no." That obviously doesnt' meant it won't change, but as of now, the University is content to stay where they are.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 03, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
But you have to admit it's kind of strange to be talking about "limited resources" when at the same time the school is spending $50M on a football stadium.   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 03, 2013, 03:03:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 03, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
But you have to admit it's kind of strange to be talking about "limited resources" when at the same time the school is spending $50M on a football stadium.   ;)
Moving from D-III to D-II is a large philosophical change in the way that the institution grants financial aid.  It is not just about team success.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on May 03, 2013, 04:10:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 03, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
But you have to admit it's kind of strange to be talking about "limited resources" when at the same time the school is spending $50M on a football stadium.   ;)

I realize its still a lot of money, but the stadium itself is $20 million and the visitors side, aka the new student union building, is $30  million.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 31, 2013, 11:17:45 PM
Another school announced it is joining the SCAC next year!

Unfortunately, it's only for swimming / diving - and UC Santa Cruz doesn't play football.  Oh well.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 01, 2013, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 31, 2013, 11:17:45 PM
Another school announced it is joining the SCAC next year!

Unfortunately, it's only for swimming / diving - and UC Santa Cruz doesn't play football.  Oh well.
Slugs are too slow to play football. ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 02, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
 :P :P
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 01, 2013, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 31, 2013, 11:17:45 PM
Another school announced it is joining the SCAC next year!

Unfortunately, it's only for swimming / diving - and UC Santa Cruz doesn't play football.  Oh well.
Slugs are too slow to play football. ;D

They might do well at chess, however.  :P
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on June 02, 2013, 01:50:49 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on June 02, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
:P :P
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 01, 2013, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 31, 2013, 11:17:45 PM
Another school announced it is joining the SCAC next year!

Unfortunately, it's only for swimming / diving - and UC Santa Cruz doesn't play football.  Oh well.
Slugs are too slow to play football. ;D

They might do well at chess, however.  :P
Probably, until they have to hit the time clock. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on June 02, 2013, 04:02:34 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 02, 2013, 01:50:49 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on June 02, 2013, 10:55:30 AM
:P :P
Quote from: Gray Fox on June 01, 2013, 02:54:35 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 31, 2013, 11:17:45 PM
Another school announced it is joining the SCAC next year!

Unfortunately, it's only for swimming / diving - and UC Santa Cruz doesn't play football.  Oh well.
Slugs are too slow to play football. ;D

They might do well at chess, however.  :P
Probably, until they have to hit the time clock. ;)


But what if the clock is operated by a slug?  ???
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 27, 2013, 12:33:08 PM
Recent Trinity graduates Nyk McKissic and Riley Walker were recently named to the National Football Foundation Hampshire Honor Society, which "recognizes student-athletes who excel on the football field, in the classroom, and in the community."   More details:  http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/06-21-13_nff_honor

I had heard some speculation that Nyk might have another year of eligibility and might return; whether he had eligibility or not, he definitely will not be returning as the article states he will be attending University of Toledo Law School in the fall - on a full ride, no less! 

Congratulations to Nyk and Riley.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 18, 2013, 02:20:49 PM
The D3football 2013 preseason poll is out (http://d3football.com/top25/2013/preseason) and Trinity received a few votes. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on August 05, 2013, 09:02:38 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 03, 2013, 01:10:03 PM
But you have to admit it's kind of strange to be talking about "limited resources" when at the same time the school is spending $50M on a football stadium.   ;)

If resources acquired are streamlined for a specific purpose, like the nursing building being paid off before completion or the money donated by McLane is for the football field, then that means resources are limited to that which they are assigned.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 07, 2013, 02:59:30 PM
Someone surely knows:  when do practices start?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on August 07, 2013, 03:04:52 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 07, 2013, 02:59:30 PM
Someone surely knows:  when do practices start?

UMHB is going to report on the 14th
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 10, 2013, 09:12:34 PM
According to a tweet earlier today from Joe Austin, the Southwestern head coach, SW has sold nearly 1300 season tickets to date.   Not too shabby (yes, I know it's not UMHB numbers).

The facility they are playing in holds 11,000 so there will be plenty of seats available for the rest of us.   :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on August 13, 2013, 01:30:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 10, 2013, 09:12:34 PM
According to a tweet earlier today from Joe Austin, the Southwestern head coach, SW has sold nearly 1300 season tickets to date.   Not too shabby (yes, I know it's not UMHB numbers).

The facility they are playing in holds 11,000 so there will be plenty of seats available for the rest of us.   :)

That school is in a good locatcion, so if they do it right, they should be able to get a lot of support. I think the key in those early years is offering something and simply giving away tickets to local groups. Get people involved and they will come back.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2013, 10:39:05 AM
Looks like around 100 players in Southwestern's first year:

https://twitter.com/SUPirates/status/367651982137237505/photo/1

EDIT:  Their roster (http://southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-footbl/2013-14/roster) shows 102 players; 93 freshman, 9 sophs.    All but two are from Texas.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on August 14, 2013, 11:00:06 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2013, 10:39:05 AM
Looks like around 100 players in Southwestern's first year:

https://twitter.com/SUPirates/status/367651982137237505/photo/1

EDIT:  Their roster (http://southwesternpirates.com/sports/m-footbl/2013-14/roster) shows 102 players; 93 freshman, 9 sophs.    All but two are from Texas.

That is awesome, especially for a 1st year program. I know some other schools that would love to have that amount. I know its going to be a tough year, but hopefully the young men buy into what the program has to offer so they can eventually be successful in the near future.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2013, 01:01:22 PM
They even have a JV schedule in their first year - two games against the JVs of UMHB and Texas Lutheran.   Pretty smart to get some playing time for as many of their players as they can.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 14, 2013, 10:48:15 PM
Speaking of Texas Lutheran:   146 players reported today - 101 true freshmen, one redshirt freshman, 22 sophomores, 13 juniors and nine seniors.  http://t.co/JyvemqgOBu

2012 roster:  67 fr+1 redshirt fr (lost 46); 26 sophs (lost 13); 14 juniors (lost 5).  7 seniors graduated, or so I assume. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 21, 2013, 02:32:14 PM
A head's up for any fans and parents coming to Sherman from other schools, the visitor side bleachers have finally been removed, so all fans will be sitting on the home side now. It's been a long time coming frankly, as those old bleachers were an eyesore. I would have to think that while parents would like to be on their team's sideline, it'll be nice to be that much closer to restrooms and concessions.

The 'Roos have been on campus since 8/17 as well, and this is their fourth day of actual practice. I think they could possibly surprise a few teams this year. Not as big a roster as some (93 in all, including 38 freshmen and 2 transfers - one a redshirt FR, the other a JR...both should play extensively this year, I think) but pretty solid depth coming back. Defense has almost all of its starters back, and while the offense lost about half of its starters, there's a QB entering his third year as a starter, which is something we just don't see a lot at AC.

Hopefully it'll be a fun year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 21, 2013, 10:55:30 PM
I actually liked being on the visitor side because of how close we were to the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wingtidiot on August 22, 2013, 09:30:36 AM
 I am new to this board (actually my first post). I heard that Austin College is going to scrimmage each other on Saturday. But my information is coming to me in one word replies, probably because of extreme camp induced exhaustion. Does anybody know what time the scrimmage is?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2013, 06:53:12 PM
Welcome to the board, and we hope you will continue to post here.

If you don't get an answer, you might try contacting the SID, Jeff Kelly.   Contact info at http://www.acroos.com/information/sportsinfo
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wingtidiot on August 22, 2013, 08:50:16 PM
Thanks for the info. I will contact the SID and then post the time on here if anybody is interested. As you can probably tell, I am a little partial to Austin College, but I met the coaches for Trinity and Southwestern in the recruiting process. Maybe I am biased, but I feel you can't help but root for all DIII programs. I think that the purity and love for the game exceeds that of some high school programs. I am looking forward to the upcoming season,
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on August 22, 2013, 10:27:47 PM
Welcome aboard, Kind of a newbie myself. Wahoo I am ready for some football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2013, 11:33:38 PM
Trinity has posted their roster ...  smaller than usual freshman class and you have to think that nearly 100 freshmen at Southwestern and over 100 at TLU may have had something to do with that.

Total:  105; 40 freshmen, 37 sophs, 17 juniors, 11 seniors
in 2012:  130:  64 freshmen (so lost 27); 29 sophs (lost 12); 18 juniors (lost 7); 20 seniors.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wingtidiot on August 23, 2013, 12:19:35 PM
I would theorize that some of Trinity's freshmen jumped ship to Southwestern to get more playing time. But Southwestern only has 9 sophomores. So there goes my theory. (sound of toilet flushing)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wingtidiot on August 23, 2013, 09:51:42 PM
My sources say the intra-squad scrimmage at Austin College is @ 8:30am tomorrow morning. I hope this is correct otherwise I am getting up really early for an exciting morning in Sherman.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on August 25, 2013, 07:28:27 PM
Quote from: jekelish on August 21, 2013, 02:32:14 PM
A head's up for any fans and parents coming to Sherman from other schools, the visitor side bleachers have finally been removed, so all fans will be sitting on the home side now. It's been a long time coming frankly, as those old bleachers were an eyesore. I would have to think that while parents would like to be on their team's sideline, it'll be nice to be that much closer to restrooms and concessions.

The 'Roos have been on campus since 8/17 as well, and this is their fourth day of actual practice. I think they could possibly surprise a few teams this year. Not as big a roster as some (93 in all, including 38 freshmen and 2 transfers - one a redshirt FR, the other a JR...both should play extensively this year, I think) but pretty solid depth coming back. Defense has almost all of its starters back, and while the offense lost about half of its starters, there's a QB entering his third year as a starter, which is something we just don't see a lot at AC.

Hopefully it'll be a fun year.
Occidental sits everyone on one side.  Three or four years ago they moved the players to the opposite side of the field.  That way, they can concentrate on the game while the home fans heckle the visiting team. ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wingtidiot on August 26, 2013, 12:54:11 PM
I would expect a California crowd to be very creative with their insults.
For those who can not make to Memphis for Autin College's first game, it looks like Rhodes College will have a live stream that can be accessed on their football website. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2013, 05:11:14 PM
Unless things have changed (and they may have), you'll have to pay for the privilege of watching Rhodes' live stream.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wingtidiot on August 26, 2013, 05:50:33 PM
 I will definitely investigate that. Or I could just drive to Memphis and visit Beale St. and Gus' Fried Chicken.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 27, 2013, 01:20:21 PM
Ron, you're correct - Rhodes uses College TV Ticket. On the plus side, wingtidiot, if you plan on watching any Austin College streaming video (unless you anticipate being at the games in person), AC uses College TV Ticket as well, as does Southwestern (unless they've changed recently). That means if you get a monthly subscription you should be able to watch ANY games featured by College TV Ticket, which means road games at places like Rhodes and Southwestern.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 28, 2013, 09:08:30 AM
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It's not free, but the money is well spent as it helps D3football.com provide the kind of Division III football coverage you'll find nowhere else (and the costs of keeping the site running).  $11 for most, $7 if you have an .edu address.  More info and purchase here:  http://d3football.com/secure/signin-form?target_url=%2Fsecure%2Findex

 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wingtidiot on August 28, 2013, 09:43:43 AM
 I plan to be at the Austin College home games and making the trips to San Antonio and Georgetown sounds like fun. But I am going to go ahead and get College TV Ticket as a safety valve.  It is a lot less expensive than going to Los Angeles and the living room shouldn't have as much traffic.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on August 31, 2013, 11:43:09 PM
I'm very interested to see how Trinity sizes up against Sul Ross and UMHB this year. The defense is banged up and will obviously not be what it was in the 2011-2012 season, but if Tomy Boboy can remain healthy I see him having an All-American year. I am PUMPED about the offense this year. I think this years offense could be the best we've seen since the early 2000's. Their receiving core is deep and fast. Won't know for sure until they're matched up against UMHB, but its going to be fun to watch!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 03, 2013, 05:09:52 PM
Hmm ...

RT @tluathletics Major TLU announcement from President Dorsey on Wednesday, 12:30 p.m., Live Video #TLU http://bit.ly/15qG75f
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2013, 11:25:47 AM
This from the TLU Athletics site  .... new on-campus stadium, perhaps?

Texas Lutheran University President Dr. Stuart Dorsey and TLU Board of Regents Chair Robin Melvin will make a major announcement about the next phase of campus development Wednesday at 12:30 p.m. in the Alumni Student Center Graf Lounge...

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2013, 12:13:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2013, 11:25:47 AM
This from the TLU Athletics site  .... new on-campus stadium, perhaps?

Texas Lutheran University President Dr. Stuart Dorsey and TLU Board of Regents Chair Robin Melvin will make a major announcement about the next phase of campus development Wednesday at 12:30 p.m. in the Alumni Student Center Graf Lounge...

Good -- that's what I was hoping it was about and not, say, moving back to D-II. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2013, 01:31:27 PM
Listening to announcement now ... yes, it's a on-campus stadium.   Breaking ground on Ph1 complex; softball, football, baseball.  Expect to play on campus next season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2013, 01:35:43 PM
Softball field will be ready next spring.  All-turf.

Football field (with track) also ready next year.  Looks like a modest facility with turf, 400m track.  Initial seating 2K "through leased bleachers," expect to host certain other events like band and HS track/football events.    Will launch a men's T&F program to augment existing women's programs (Title IX?).  Fields will be lit. 

Eventually - phase 2 - permanent bleachers seating 3500, locker rooms, training rooms. 

Upgrading sports facilities as part of new conference.   Part of master plan to upgrade campus.   Board of Regents have pledged over $1M towards costs.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2013, 03:32:18 PM
Who else besides Trinity will have men's track in the SCAC?

When will they light the baseball fields?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2013, 06:22:45 PM
Full details: http://scacsports.com/news/tlu_major_announcements

Baseball fields will be lit in time for the current season.

TLU will become the fifth SCAC school to offer men's/women's track, along with CC, SW, TU, UD.  The strong Bulldog women's program should make the conference championships much more competitive than last year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2013, 10:10:17 AM
SCAC predictions:

Austin @Rhodes - home team should take it easily
Trinity @Howard Payne - have to go with Trinity
TLU @Southwestern - TLU takes the early SCAC lead, will set up an interesting matchup with Trinity next week
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2013, 11:32:20 AM
and (continuing to talk to myself) the SCAC home office has released the annual SCAC football prospectus (http://static.psbin.com/6/4/kjejke22g89hdg/2013_SCAC_Football_Prospectus.pdf).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 06, 2013, 12:34:14 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 06, 2013, 11:32:20 AM
and (continuing to talk to myself) the SCAC home office has released the annual SCAC football prospectus (http://static.psbin.com/6/4/kjejke22g89hdg/2013_SCAC_Football_Prospectus.pdf).

Because you enjoy hearing an intelligent man speaking...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 06, 2013, 11:17:18 PM
It's okay Ron, you're not alone. Some of us remnants are still lingering around!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on September 07, 2013, 11:26:33 AM
My questions about the scac football relate to the whole conference. WHy is it still called the scac? i think they should go back to the  College Athletic Conference or CAC. Why is the HQ still in Georgia and not moved to Texas? Finally, why hasn't Hardin–Simmons University been invited for membership? that would at least get the league to 5 football school's with a possibility 2 current school's could start/re-start programs to get a bid.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 07, 2013, 02:27:42 PM
Man, tough turn of events for Austin College - the 'Roos just dropped what looked like a surefire interception and then on the very next play, Rhodes breaks a 36 yard run down to the four yard line. That could be a game changer if they punch it in here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2013, 03:17:22 PM
Quote from: cush on September 07, 2013, 11:26:33 AM
My questions about the scac football relate to the whole conference. WHy is it still called the scac? i think they should go back to the  College Athletic Conference or CAC. Why is the HQ still in Georgia and not moved to Texas? Finally, why hasn't Hardin–Simmons University been invited for membership? that would at least get the league to 5 football school's with a possibility 2 current school's could start/re-start programs to get a bid.

There is some logic in keeping a name that's been around for 20 years as opposed to going to a generic name like CAC, and Texas/La are still "South".  As to why the offices are still in GA, probably has something to do with the continuity of the conference leadership (e.g they live there and want to stay there, though that is just a guess).   It was a big deal for the continued future of the SCAC for the front office folks to stay and not bolt to the SAA, and that was a very real possibility. 

I would be very surprised if the conference had NOT made overtures to the Cowboys; that kind of info would not be public unless HSU accepted.    At the same time you have to consider that they have a successful, long-standing relationship with the ASC and  the lack of the football AQ hurts any potential move, even though it seems increasingly unlikely anyone but UMHB will get the ASC bid as long as Coach Fred is around, not to mention the new football palace on-campus.

We can hope that the Centenaries and Schrieners will take a look at what football has brought to Southwestern this season - e.g. not only students but communities that have suddenly discovered a local collegiate entity to cherish and support - and start football too.   It takes money, though, and absent someone willing to come up with a few million in startup costs, not to mention faciility costs, it's a hard thing to do. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 07, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
Not to mention that football is the most expensive sport to fund year in and year out (due to the size of the squad, equipment, the larger coaching staff, etc), as well, so those schools would have to find a way to increase their budgets pretty significantly going forward. That's tough to do in this day and age.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 08, 2013, 11:37:39 AM
Interesting day in the SCAC yesterday.

Austin went to Memphis and gave it a good ride against one of the SAA's better teams.  Hopefully this bodes well for the remainder of the year and shows the program is coming back from a disappointing 2012.

As expected, TLU handled Southwestern pretty easily, but the Pirates were able to put up over 400 yards on the Bulldogs, mostly in the second half.  Some of that was probably due to Padron putting some of his second stringers in, some of it from the SW QB settling in after an 0-fer first half.

Trinity didn't have much of a problem with Howard Payne but, like Southwestern, HP was able to get things going in the second half.   The final margin could have been wider had not a 97-yard kick return been called back.   

It's unfortunate Trinity and TLU will have to face off so early in the season; hopefully that is an artifact of the old non-conf scheduling between the two and will change in upcoming seasons.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 09, 2013, 11:24:57 AM
Ron,

You are correct in regards to this year's schedule; beginning in 2014 and moving forward, you'll see all conference games at the back end of the schedule.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2013, 04:40:16 PM
According to the Trinity two deep released today by TLU, the Tigers will be without starting QB Mason Blaschke this weekend.   He did not return to the HPU game last week following a sack early in the third quarter and according to a tweet fractured/dislocated his wrist.  Ouch. 

Junior Robert Broyles will apparently get his first collegiate start. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2013, 12:42:48 AM
Tail of two halves in San Antonio tonight saw TLU earn their first win in San Antonio since 1976 (which would be the year before I showed up).   Robert Broyles did a fine job in his first start and Trinity rushed out to a 31-14 halftime lead.  Bulldog QB Brent Peavy went crazy in the second half, deftly evading the TU rush on numerous occasions, and led the Bulldogs to a 42-38 lead late in the fourth.  Trinity was driving for the potential winning score when Broyles was sacked and injured, so the third-string QB for Trinity trotted out on 3rd and 25 from about the 35 but was unable to complete a pass on either 3rd or 4th down.   TLU ran out the clock from there as Trinity had used all but one of their timeouts earlier in the half. 

Broyles had a lot of passes dropped by his receivers, especially in the second half.  That, combined with Trinity's overall inability to stop TLU in the second half was the difference.   They did keep TLU out of the end zone on two series; one where they had eight plays inside the TU 5 thanks to a penalty, and another series in the fourth quarter where again the ball was turned over on downs at the one-inch line. 

Officiating was awful both ways but good teams find a way to overcome that sort of thing and TLU did tonight.   Broyles didn't look good going off, Blaschke was spotted wearing a serious cast on his elbow, so it may be Stephen Smith getting the start against Sul Ross next Saturday afternoon. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2013, 12:54:07 AM
I posted on the Pool B board that I can see TLU going 9-1 this season, 7-1 in-region.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 15, 2013, 03:03:47 AM
Tough loss for Trinity - got to tip my hat to TLU for rallying in the second as I thought they were dead in the water after Trinity exploded in the first half. I've got to say though...I wish we could have seen a full season of Broyles leading this offense. Seriously, throwing for 344 yards and 3 TDs in his first ever start along with 57 yards rushing? That kid can flat out play. I think I counted 5 dropped balls from their receiving crew as well. I will be very interested to see if they can salvage out a tie for the SCAC championship after losing their first two QB's.

Continuing on, TLU's offense looks awesome at times, but they need to work on their consistency. Their OL has some serious size as a unit and they should be taking advantage of that. Peavy at QB can run around all day and his brother at WR makes a dangerous combination.

Looking forward to seeing how Trinity responds next week and I hope this level of play continues on into the future!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 15, 2013, 03:14:16 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 15, 2013, 12:54:07 AM
I posted on the Pool B board that I can see TLU going 9-1 this season, 7-1 in-region.

It would be 8-1 in-region.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 15, 2013, 03:30:47 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 15, 2013, 03:03:47 AM
Tough loss for Trinity - got to tip my hat to TLU for rallying in the second as I thought they were dead in the water after Trinity exploded in the first half. I've got to say though...I wish we could have seen a full season of Broyles leading this offense. Seriously, throwing for 344 yards and 3 TDs in his first ever start along with 57 yards rushing? That kid can flat out play. I think I counted 5 dropped balls from their receiving crew as well. I will be very interested to see if they can salvage out a tie for the SCAC championship after losing their first two QB's.

Continuing on, TLU's offense looks awesome at times, but they need to work on their consistency. Their OL has some serious size as a unit and they should be taking advantage of that. Peavy at QB can run around all day and his brother at WR makes a dangerous combination.

Looking forward to seeing how Trinity responds next week and I hope this level of play continues on into the future!

Agree with you on Broyles, tigerguy.  When we told the TLU fans around us that he was TU's #2 QB, they were very surprised.   

Re the tie for the SCAC championship, even in the incredibly unlikely event TLU loses to AC (their only remaining SCAC game since they played SW last week) they would win the championship due to the strength of last night's head-to-head victory.    Only one game per SCAC opponent counts, e.g. the Trinity at SW game on Oct 19 is not an official conference game (per the SCAC website).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on September 15, 2013, 04:38:28 PM
Has anyone heard how Robert Broyles is doing after being injured in the Trinty vs TLU game? Hope he is OK. He played an excellent game. He will make great starter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2013, 09:48:09 AM
Quote from: RLW on September 15, 2013, 04:38:28 PM
Has anyone heard how Robert Broyles is doing after being injured in the Trinty vs TLU game? Hope he is OK. He played an excellent game. He will make great starter.

It doesn't look good, RLW, at least as far as him returning any time soon.   This was in the SA Express-News game writeup (http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/Peavy-twins-help-rally-Bulldogs-in-second-half-4815791.php):

"We're kind of snake bit at this point," Trinity coach Steve Mohr said. "We're going to fight through it and see if we can rally around our third guy. I've never been through losing two guys in two weeks."
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 16, 2013, 12:31:27 PM
From what I have gathered he might have torn his ACL, meaning he is done for the season. Don't have much information on the 3rd string QB, Stephen Smith, other than the two throws he had in Saturdays games.

I heard (and this may have been a joke) that they might attempt to play WR Matthew Kennemer at the QB position. He's pretty much played every other position for them so far this year, so why not! I've got to say losing your #1 and #2 quarterbacks in two weeks seems like a curse, and has to be frustrating for the seniors. I'll keep everyone updated if I hear any other info.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 16, 2013, 01:28:23 PM
I hope it was mordant humor.   If Kennemer goes down not only do we lose him at WR but at P, PK, and  punt/kick returner.   He's a tough little rugger but why take the chance.

Lots of guys were helped off the field Saturday night/  Tomy Boboy was taken to the locker room - an injury to him would be another big loss.  He makes so many plays behind the line of scrimmage and his absence was one of the things that made it easier for Peavy to scramble out of trouble so many times in the second half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 16, 2013, 10:48:41 PM
Actually Ron, and I just received news of this: Boboy was ejected by a referee who said he was "targeting" Peavy during his sack. I completely missed this during the game but from what I've heard only one referee saw it. The coaching staff was furious because not only did that affect the pass rush but he will also miss the first half of next weeks game. Trinity will need him because Sul Ross's qb does the exact same thing.

I can't believe a referee would toss a player over such a split second play. I feel like there would have to be a history of blatant targeting for a player to be tossed like that. Like I said I completely missed it though so I'm not exactly sure of the situation, although I do remember the sack.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on September 17, 2013, 08:46:20 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 16, 2013, 10:48:41 PM
Actually Ron, and I just received news of this: Boboy was ejected by a referee who said he was "targeting" Peavy during his sack. I completely missed this during the game but from what I've heard only one referee saw it. The coaching staff was furious because not only did that affect the pass rush but he will also miss the first half of next weeks game. Trinity will need him because Sul Ross's qb does the exact same thing.

I can't believe a referee would toss a player over such a split second play. I feel like there would have to be a history of blatant targeting for a player to be tossed like that. Like I said I completely missed it though so I'm not exactly sure of the situation, although I do remember the sack.

The targeting rule is new this year and is pretty strict. Plus, many conferences have told refs to err on the side of making the call. It is possible to be overturned by the conference given video evidence during the week. However, helmet to helmet contact is simply not acceptable anymore in ANY level of football as of this year. Defensive players need to learn to aim lower and to keep their heads up. As of now, this is the new reality.

It is going to bite a few teams in the rear until players get adjusted and, during bang-bang plays, mistakes are going to be made. But in the interests of saving players brains for the rest of their lives, we're going to have to get used to it.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2013, 10:35:29 AM
I was there and saw a defender making a play on an very elusive QB, nothing more.   This new rule has been mocked by just about everyone covering football because it is subjective and inconsistently applied.    If it's true Boboy was ejected than the refs did an even worse job than I originally thought, and that's saying something.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2013, 10:24:58 PM
Stephen Smith acquitted himself quite well today.    In his first collegiate start against an opponent that had played two straight games against D2 opponents, Smith went 17-31 for 273 yards and three touchdowns - and no interceptions.  Trinity had very little success running the ball today so they needed those yards in securing a 33-6 win over Sul Ross (now 0-3).   The Lobos were their worst enemy, turning over the ball four times (3 INTs and a fumble) and racking up 135 yards in penalties.  One penalty took a brilliant Lobo TD off the board early in the third quarter when the game was still close.

Tomy Boboy had a blocked punt for a safety and an interception return for a TD; Matthew Kennemer had six catches for 101 yards and a TD, kicked a short field goal, and had four punts for a 38.5 yard average.  Trinity may have found another placekicker, though; Francisco Ashford averaged over 47 yards on three punts and over 60 yards on four kickoffs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wingtidiot on September 23, 2013, 11:08:35 AM
 I was hoping AC would have won against Occidental so they could face Trinity with a little bit of momentum on the 28th. But when you turn the ball over that much, it is really difficult to do much offensively. I am sure they will work on that this week because if you give up the ball that many times against Trinity, you will get steamrolled for sure.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 24, 2013, 01:21:26 PM
Interesting to look at AC's stats and realize that not only has Noah Jesko already thrown for 160 yards more than he did all of last year, he's also on pace to shatter the school's single season record for passing yardage. The record is currently 2,246 and he's already thrown for 899 yards in three games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2013, 01:33:43 PM
Smith (offensive), Boboy (defensive), and Kennemer (special teams) swept this week's SCAC PoTW awards.   

That's 3-3 for Kennemer, btw.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2013, 11:41:56 AM
Trinity alumni:  the folks at UMHB have offered a complementary suite for the October 5th game, food, the whole nine yards.   If interested, contact Mary K. Cooper (@tualumnidir on Twitter).   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 26, 2013, 08:53:52 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Trinity Tiger QB's)


Stephen Smith probably has the best passing accuracy of any of the seven Trinity QB's (yes seven). His problem; he is just too small. The real thing IMHO, is the now second string transfer QB Garret Sween (#19); he has the size and strength to take on UMHB (none of the remaining five QB's does). Hopefully he will be familiar enough with the Trinity offense by the time the UMHB game comes  around; their defense will have a tougher time beating him down.



                                                                                                        = Go Tigers, Go -
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 27, 2013, 12:29:59 AM
Quote from: etg on September 26, 2013, 08:53:52 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Trinity Tiger QB's)


Stephen Smith probably has the best passing accuracy of any of the seven Trinity QB's (yes seven). His problem; he is just too small. The real thing IMHO, is the now second string transfer QB Garret Sween (#19); he has the size and strength to take on UMHB (none of the remaining five QB's does). Hopefully he will be familiar enough with the Trinity offense by the time the UMHB game comes  around; their defense will have a tougher time beating him down.



                                                                                                        = Go Tigers, Go -
I've never seen Sween so you may be right, but I will tell you this may be the most complete defense I've ever seen at UMHB. There are going to be a lot of teams that have trouble with the Crus defense this year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 27, 2013, 11:47:40 AM
Really sad that this season has become such a toss up for the Tigers given their injuries at QB. This receiving core is extremely talented, and they've really done an excellent job getting the new qb into a rhythm each week. You wouldn't expect a second and third-string qb to get their first career start in consecutive weeks and put up awesome numbers like they did.

Smith has a cannon of an arm, but he lacks mobility - definitely something that will be needed against a great defense like UMHB. I haven't heard anything about Sween, he's not on the roster?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2013, 04:15:51 PM
Apparently Garrett Swann; participated in the Sul Ross game, not on the web roster as you say.  Former QB at 2A Lago Vista, co-district MVP his senior year.   Saw limited playing time as a freshman (http://www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/IndividualStats.aspx?association=10&sg=MFB&sea=NAIMFB_2012&team=2227&plr=174488) for NAIA Evangel (Mo).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2013, 04:26:57 PM
There's a nice story about the Southwestern football program in the Austin-American Statesman ... too bad it is hiding behind a paywall.  If you want to pay 99 cents for an all-day pass, you can read it :-(

http://www.statesman.com/news/sports/college-football/bohls-southwestern-the-little-program-that-could/nZ8SS/

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on September 27, 2013, 05:29:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 27, 2013, 04:15:51 PM
Apparently Garrett Swann; participated in the Sul Ross game, not on the web roster as you say.  Former QB at 2A Lago Vista, co-district MVP his senior year.   Saw limited playing time as a freshman (http://www.dakstats.com/WebSync/Pages/Team/IndividualStats.aspx?association=10&sg=MFB&sea=NAIMFB_2012&team=2227&plr=174488) for NAIA Evangel (Mo).

He's on the roster in the Austin game preview

http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/files/FB04.pdf
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 28, 2013, 05:35:42 PM
Trinity gets it done against Austin, 26-3.   The defense stopped AC at least twice in the red zone on downs (I didn't watch most of the first half).   A very conservatively called game offensively with the Tigers working on the ground game a good bit.    Smith probably ended up with around 150 yards passing on not that many attempts.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 29, 2013, 03:38:26 PM
I'm only using the box score as my frame of reference, but it's stunning to me that Trinity won by 23 points despite the fact that Austin College outgained them, and it wasn't like the 'Roos had a bunch of turnovers. That's just an amazing stat to me. AC had more passing yards and more rushing yards, and I believe only had one turnover...but still lost 26-3. How does that happen?

Of course now I see Ron mention they had at least two turnovers on downs in the red zone.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2013, 10:28:51 PM
They've been opportunistic (except the second half of the TLU game).   That one turnover was an early INT deep in AC territory and the 'roos actually ended up turning it over three times on downs.

The TU defense has stopped the opposition numerous times now deep in their own territory.   The TLU game saw at least two such stops with one of them being eight plays inside the ten (a pass interference penalty on 4th and goal kept the drive alive).   They also stopped Sul Ross three times on downs. The offense is having to deal with a third-string QB in Smith who has done a surprisingly good job, but at the same time there's a reason he was third-string to start the year off.   I don't envy him having to deal with the UMHB pass rush next week as they are probably going to play mad given that they struggled a bit (for the Cru, anyway) to get past Sul Ross on Saturday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on September 30, 2013, 01:25:08 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 29, 2013, 10:28:51 PM
They've been opportunistic (except the second half of the TLU game).   That one turnover was an early INT deep in AC territory and the 'roos actually ended up turning it over three times on downs.

The TU defense has stopped the opposition numerous times now deep in their own territory.   The TLU game saw at least two such stops with one of them being eight plays inside the ten (a pass interference penalty on 4th and goal kept the drive alive).   They also stopped Sul Ross three times on downs. The offense is having to deal with a third-string QB in Smith who has done a surprisingly good job, but at the same time there's a reason he was third-string to start the year off.   I don't envy him having to deal with the UMHB pass rush next week as they are probably going to play mad given that they struggled a bit (for the Cru, anyway) to get past Sul Ross on Saturday.
struggled but still crushed SRSU. That game had the potential to be so ugly for SRSU. Anyway, you going to Belton Saturday?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2013, 03:30:40 PM
Yep, your administration has been good enough to offer a suite and right now it looks like that's where I'll be.   Not expecting any miracles but it will be nice to see your stadium after hearing so much about it. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: McM Blue Devil on October 05, 2013, 09:33:56 AM
Ron

I will be representing Trinity as a staff member tonight, I look forward to meeting you.

Greeley Myers
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2013, 06:23:44 PM
All the superlatives you may have heard about the new Crusader stadium are deserved. What a facility!

It's a perfect Texas fall day, partly cloudy with temps lowering through the 70s.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on October 05, 2013, 07:31:06 PM
Trinity gives up the opening kickoff for a TD but since then their defense hasn't allowed anything. 7-0 UMHB end of the 1st.

Trinity's offense hasn't been able to do anything either, however.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on October 05, 2013, 07:40:37 PM
UMHB converts a 4th and 1 and score on a nifty 10 yard pass. Trinity responds by marching 75 yards down the field to get their first score of the day. 14-7 UMHB
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on October 05, 2013, 07:51:57 PM
Special teams is absolutely killing Trinity. 3 punts of 15 yards or less isn't helping the defense out at all
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2013, 08:03:02 PM
Trinity defense IS playing hard and has recovered two fumbles but it's 21-7 with TU about to punt from their 10.  Average TU punt tonight has been about ten yards so this is not good news.

UMHB has 2:32 and 38 yards to work with.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2013, 08:30:58 PM
28-7 at the half.  Too many short fields for UMHB and the TU defense is tiring from being on the field too long.  Just before the half Smith completed a deep pass but the receiver fumbled and the other TU receiver tried to scoop it up instead of falling on it.  Just can't make mistakes like that against a team like the Crusaders.

Really proud of the team's effort tonight, but they're being beat by a superior opponent.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2013, 10:30:44 PM
Final was 49-7.   Hadn't seen a buttwhoopin' like that since the Stagg Bowl appearance.  Smith may have gotten hurt on a big sack in the third because he was replaced by Swan for the remainder of the game. 

A pleasure to meet you tonight, Greeley/McM Blue Devil!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on October 09, 2013, 01:36:08 PM
I'm happy that the Tigers and Majors have continued their games against each other despite the conference changes. While the Majors are 4-0, I'm not too convinced that they have put together many quality wins given their opponents, but 4-0 is 4-0.

It'll be alumni weekend for Trinity and I expect them to come out hot and angry after the beat down from last week. Trinity has won two straight against the Majors and I expect them to make it three on Saturday.

Despite what the score reflects from last week, I think the defense played outstanding. When you're on the field for as long as they were while consistently going up against the UMHB offense starting on your side of the field, you are eventually going to get worn down. The offense did not help much sans one or two drives and the punting squad was horrendous at flipping the field.

I'm feeling a pretty convincing win for the Tigers this week as long as the offense continues what they've been doing against their (non UMHB) opponents.

Also - any word on who will be starting at QB this week? I know Smith got roughed up in the UMHB game so Swann stepped in. Incredible that we could potentially have a fourth starting quarterback in 6 weeks due to injury.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 09, 2013, 04:00:32 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 09, 2013, 01:36:08 PM
I'm happy that the Tigers and Majors have continued their games against each other despite the conference changes. While the Majors are 4-0, I'm not too convinced that they have put together many quality wins given their opponents, but 4-0 is 4-0.

It'll be alumni weekend for Trinity and I expect them to come out hot and angry after the beat down from last week. Trinity has won two straight against the Majors and I expect them to make it three on Saturday.

Despite what the score reflects from last week, I think the defense played outstanding. When you're on the field for as long as they were while consistently going up against the UMHB offense starting on your side of the field, you are eventually going to get worn down. The offense did not help much sans one or two drives and the punting squad was horrendous at flipping the field.

I'm feeling a pretty convincing win for the Tigers this week as long as the offense continues what they've been doing against their (non UMHB) opponents.

Also - any word on who will be starting at QB this week? I know Smith got roughed up in the UMHB game so Swann stepped in. Incredible that we could potentially have a fourth starting quarterback in 6 weeks due to injury.

I would have to agree, I was watching the game and kind of felt bad for the defense after a while, especially since the punting was working.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wingtidiot on October 14, 2013, 09:44:39 AM
Congrats to TLU for winning the conference this year! Glad to see Austin College finally able to get a punt return team on the field during the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2013, 01:19:03 PM
Yes, congrats to TLU for winning what is apparently their first-ever Division III conference championship in football.

A couple of folks from the SCAC front office has been touring the campuses of the conference schools in what they call #SCAC8in8.  It's interesting to see the response at the schools so far.  They were at Trinity yesterday (where they took in a women's soccer match with a local NAIA school) and in the daily report (http://www.scacsports.com/news/scac8in8/day3) was this nugget:

QuoteDuring the game, we spoke with Trinity University's Athletic Director, Bob King. He welcomed us to Trinity University and was very excited to have the #SCAC8in8 tour on campus. He mentioned to us about Trinity's future plans to renovate their baseball field and football stadium.

I'd heard that baseball upgrades were in the works, but the news that there are SOME plans for the football field comes as welcome news.  At one point they had approached the school district that owns the huge stadium across the street (and is now undergoing its own $35 million facelift) but I don't think that worked out.  Here's hoping we'll hear further details from TU now that the cat is out of the bag.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on October 15, 2013, 03:04:31 PM
I hope so, Ron! If you were at the UMHB game you probably didn't hear the broadcast but the color commentator (who was the coach at UMHB during Trinity's title runs) referred to Trinity's field as "That rinky-dink thing they call a stadium down there." Obviously when you have a field like theirs, everything else is sub-par, but Trinity seriously needs an upgrade to the stands and facilities at the field. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 15, 2013, 04:44:57 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 15, 2013, 03:04:31 PM
I hope so, Ron! If you were at the UMHB game you probably didn't hear the broadcast but the color commentator (who was the coach at UMHB during Trinity's title runs) referred to Trinity's field as "That rinky-dink thing they call a stadium down there." Obviously when you have a field like theirs, everything else is sub-par, but Trinity seriously needs an upgrade to the stands and facilities at the field. 

Saying that on the air about an opponent's home field is what one might expect from an undisciplined child, not a former coach.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2013, 07:01:26 PM
Coach Fred has been the head coach at UMHB since day 1 and I can't imagine him ever saying something like that.   Must have been a former assistant and perhaps that shows one reason why he's no longer with the program. 

That said, the ugly truth is the stadium is the sole athletic facility at Trinity (with perhaps the exception of the outdoor swimming pool, but is that even used by the athletic program?) that has not seen some sort of upgrade in the modern era.  It's at least a decade past its "sell by" date.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on October 16, 2013, 08:05:27 PM
Agh, I apologize for the incorrect information, Ron. The color commentator was George Haffner, the former Offensive Coordinator at UMHB, not head coach. I wasn't too happy about that and some other comments he made, but when you're on top looking down I guess it's easy to get carried away.

Edit: Didn't know Haffner had such an extensive coaching background. Coached at a bunch of D1 schools including Texas, Georgia, and A&M. Obviously Trinity's stadium is nothing compared to that, but I would have expected better professionalism given that the broadcast was over public radio.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2013, 10:46:35 AM
After 15 years of this, I am no longer surprised by the capability of radio announcers to be homers.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 17, 2013, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2013, 10:46:35 AM
After 15 years of this, I am no longer surprised by the capability of radio announcers to be homers.

Do you think that some announcers are pressured into being homers? Sometimes there is tension between the athletic department and the radio broadcasters based on what the broadcasters say about a specific scheme or coaches.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 17, 2013, 01:52:52 PM
Quote from: D3MAFAN on October 17, 2013, 01:19:00 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 17, 2013, 10:46:35 AM
After 15 years of this, I am no longer surprised by the capability of radio announcers to be homers.

Do you think that some announcers are pressured into being homers? Sometimes there is tension between the athletic department and the radio broadcasters based on what the broadcasters say about a specific scheme or coaches.

I very much doubt too many of the coaches take it all that seriously. It's more likely the announcers have a connection to the school and just want them to do well. Considering most of D3 is done at the lower levels of broadcasting, it kind of is what it is...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2013, 03:36:11 PM
Fox Sports has just posted a nice oral history of the Mississippi Miracle.  Was it really six years ago?

http://t.co/XHgVnsxYrI

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3MAFAN on October 22, 2013, 06:36:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2013, 03:36:11 PM
Fox Sports has just posted a nice oral history of the Mississippi Miracle.  Was it really six years ago?

http://t.co/XHgVnsxYrI

Craziest play ever...I remember watching it for the first time and was like, WOW! :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on October 23, 2013, 10:41:32 AM
CWRU's Game Notes vs Trinity.

http://athletics.case.edu/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/2013102157pdj0

CWRU's video is HD, the announcers are a bit homerish, but mostly just annoying.

http://tv.case.edu/athletics/
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 23, 2013, 04:21:05 PM
Thanks for the game notes!   We've already lost two QBs for the year, please don't make it three.   

Probably should be a good game, but the younger guys aren't used to travel like they were in the pre-SCAC breakup days.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on October 25, 2013, 10:18:51 AM
Weather at kickoff in Cleveland: Cloudy mid-40s  20mph winds  Might be a shock for Texas boys.

Safe game and travels to all.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on October 26, 2013, 12:07:33 PM
Kickoff temperature: 41 degrees! Tigers haven't played in that kind of weather in quite a while.

Case Western's TV broadcast is excellent in terms of picture quality
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 26, 2013, 02:35:08 PM
End of 1st quarter _ AC ahead 14_7
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 26, 2013, 04:15:41 PM
13:07 leftin  4th quarter - AC ahead 31-24
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on October 26, 2013, 04:54:47 PM
Final

AC   45
Hendrix  38
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DagarmanSpartan on October 30, 2013, 01:24:18 AM
No one mentioned Case's 21-17 victory over Trinity in their first ever meeting?

That's a matchup of two GREAT academic schools!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2013, 12:14:26 PM
Not a whole lot going on in the ol' SCAC board these days.    Congrats on the win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on October 31, 2013, 08:49:53 AM
Apologies for the gloating Spartan post.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2013, 09:29:30 AM
No worries.  It was a good close game that either team could have won, and as gloats go that's a pretty mild one    ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2013, 05:22:19 PM
Impressive win today by TLU over LC (37-27) despite losing Brent Peavy in the first half.   The defense stopped LC on fourth down four times and picked off LC three times.   Gotta say I was surprised.

The win should pretty much clinch a pool B spot for the Bulldogs, but of course it would be best to beat Hardin-Simmons next week to avoid all doubt.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 02, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2013, 05:22:19 PM
Impressive win today by TLU over LC (37-27) despite losing Brent Peavy in the first half.   The defense stopped LC on fourth down four times and picked off LC three times.   Gotta say I was surprised.

The win should pretty much clinch a pool B spot for the Bulldogs, but of course it would be best to beat Hardin-Simmons next week to avoid all doubt.
HSU lost to SRSU today. I think TLU has a good shot
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 04, 2013, 12:56:50 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on November 02, 2013, 08:31:37 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2013, 05:22:19 PM
Impressive win today by TLU over LC (37-27) despite losing Brent Peavy in the first half.   The defense stopped LC on fourth down four times and picked off LC three times.   Gotta say I was surprised.

The win should pretty much clinch a pool B spot for the Bulldogs, but of course it would be best to beat Hardin-Simmons next week to avoid all doubt.
HSU lost to SRSU today. I think TLU has a good shot

Should be an interesting final two weeks. Both clubs "should" win out which would most likely put us together in the first round. My heart races at the thought!

A rematch of teams, coaches, and old rivalries will ensue that November day. Many on the TLU side that have ties to UMHB. Should be interesting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 06, 2013, 08:50:48 PM
Congrats TLU on your regional ranking. We'll see where that gets us in three weeks.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2013, 09:01:42 AM
I wonder if we'll EVER get anyone to represent TLU on these boards ... sheesh.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on November 07, 2013, 09:31:23 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2013, 09:01:42 AM
I wonder if we'll EVER get anyone to represent TLU on these boards ... sheesh.

A few years back there was someone named TLU_Goat but he left when none of his lofty predictions came true.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on November 07, 2013, 06:02:50 PM
Ron
I am a TLU fan, not sure if I am qualified to represent them on the boards. I read a lot of talk about where they are in the rankings, they were rated by D3 at 112th preseason. I am proud of where they are ranked now with NCAA and D3, as they have come along way. Regardless if they are ranked in the correct order of where everyone thinks they should be. They should be proud of the advancements they have made as a team even if their season ends today. I believe they have been working very well as a team, which builds very good young men who learn to trust one another and depend on each other. I, like everyone else have an opinion.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 07, 2013, 06:22:19 PM
The only qualification needed to rep your team is being a fan, RLW.   Welcome and +1.   

TLU certainly has exceeded expectations this year and I hope they win out ... even tho the likely reward is a first-round game at the Chamber of Horrors (aka Crusader Stadium). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on November 07, 2013, 06:58:35 PM
You are probally right Ron. I watched the matchup between TLU and UMHB last year which got pretty wild in the 4th quarter. If that is how they are paired up in the post season, should be an interesting game. I just hope TLU makes the playoffs. I do not want count my chickens before they hatch.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 08, 2013, 03:35:19 PM
Welcome RLW! Perhaps you can round up some fellow supporters.

As for TLU's success, I've been waiting for it. I mean, you have a coach whose son played for arguably one of the best DIII teams in the nation and has brought along coaches from that school to be on your staff. Add in a mix of butt whoopings the past several years and you have yourself a recipe for success. I hope it plays out as it should with everyone healthy for the first round game.  :o
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on November 08, 2013, 07:10:14 PM
I would round them up if I knew them, I am an uncle to one of the players. I do not know much about D3 football playoff structuring other than what I read. I have been following them for the last two years. It has been interesting sense they were 4 and 6 last year and 7 and 0 this year already with two games left. I will attend the TLU, Hardin Simmons game and see if they let the Dogs out.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 08, 2013, 07:40:28 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 08, 2013, 07:10:14 PM
I would round them up if I knew them, I am an uncle to one of the players. I do not know much about D3 football playoff structuring other than what I read. I have been following them for the last two years. It has been interesting sense they were 4 and 6 last year and 7 and 0 this year already with two games left. I will attend the TLU, Hardin Simmons game and see if they let the Dogs out.

Very good. It sounds as if they need to round up supporters. The HSU game should be a barn burner. I'll be keeping up with that on the phone. Will you make the game here if they end up playing?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on November 08, 2013, 08:37:36 PM
If I can get away from work, I will plan on being there. I was there last year when TLU played UMHB in Belton. the 59 yard field goal was something to see.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 08, 2013, 08:52:17 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 08, 2013, 08:37:36 PM
If I can get away from work, I will plan on being there. I was there last year when TLU played UMHB in Belton. the 59 yard field goal was something to see.

Yes! New stadium this year and good food. Got to have the Cru Dog and some purple Crunilla ice cream specially designed by Bluebell. Good eats.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2013, 06:29:22 PM
Not much going on here these days, but sad news to share from the SCAC baseball board earlier today:

Quote from: ILVBB on November 12, 2013, 11:19:22 PM
I just heard that our friend Bob Edwards (known to us as HistoryMajor) passed away over the weekend. Bob loved Trinity sports and was involved from the days his son competed to his work in establishing the internet broadcast program.

Bob was a good friend that will be missed by the families that he has touched over the years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 14, 2013, 08:01:33 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2013, 06:29:22 PM
Not much going on here these days, but sad news to share from the SCAC baseball board earlier today:

Quote from: ILVBB on November 12, 2013, 11:19:22 PM
I just heard that our friend Bob Edwards (known to us as HistoryMajor) passed away over the weekend. Bob loved Trinity sports and was involved from the days his son competed to his work in establishing the internet broadcast program.

Bob was a good friend that will be missed by the families that he has touched over the years.
History major was a good personal friend from the 1980's.

My prayers are with his wife, his four sons and the extended family.  Because of Bob and his work with PAWS, we were blessed with the Miracle at Millsaps!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2013, 08:23:46 AM
Here is Bob's obituary; private services will be held tomorrow.   http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/dallasmorningnews/obituary.aspx?n=robert-william-edwards&pid=168004340

Bob's influence on Trinity football, and TU sports in general (he was also an avid baseball fan), was significant.  As Ralph noted above he was instrumental in establishing webcasting for the football team and was also a frequent play-by-play contributor for baseball.   His absence will be keenly felt.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 16, 2013, 04:30:20 PM
AC beats Trinity 35-7.  Good job, Roos.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 16, 2013, 07:23:35 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on November 16, 2013, 04:30:20 PM
AC beats Trinity 35-7.  Good job, Roos.
Wow!  Sign of the end times!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 16, 2013, 07:35:19 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on November 16, 2013, 04:30:20 PM
AC beats Trinity 35-7.  Good job, Roos.
congrats to the Roos!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 16, 2013, 08:32:07 PM
Tough year for Trinity.   Hopefully they won't have to deal with as many injuries as they did this year in 2014.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 17, 2013, 12:24:15 AM
It was a fun day to be in Sherman, with AC getting the first win over Trinity in 20 years and the men's basketball team scoring 104 points. A couple of fun facts about the final stats on the year for AC:

Noah Jesko finished with 2,117 passing yards, which is just a little over 100 yards shy of the single season record at AC. With everyone returning on offense (starters) other than James Nwankpah, he has a very realistic chance to break the record next season. The entire line is back, all of his receivers, both of his tight ends, and Bryce Murphy, the leading rusher in the SCAC. This could be a REALLY good offense next season.

Speaking of Murphy...he and James Nwankpah finished 1 and 2 in the conference in rushing yards, the first time two teammates have ever been the top two rushers in the 22 year history of the SCAC (and the last time it happened in the old CAC was, apparently, in the mid-70's).

Several key losses on defense heading into next year...the 'Roos will have to replace guys like CB Logan Estes, LB Nathan Packard, and FS De'Andre Holmes, three of their best players and leaders. They'll also have to replace K Andrew Klink, who had a rough day today with two missed FGs but overall has been a very good kicker over the years.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on November 17, 2013, 03:16:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 16, 2013, 08:32:07 PM
Tough year for Trinity.   Hopefully they won't have to deal with as many injuries as they did this year in 2014.
I would like to think that Austin pulled off a long wanted victory, rather than Trinity lost it. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 17, 2013, 10:16:00 PM
Oh, AC won the game, no doubt about it GF.   Congrats to the Roos for getting that monkey off their back.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: KentATM on November 18, 2013, 02:33:46 PM
 ;D  1st and teeeeeeeeeeeennnnnnn roooooooooooooossssss!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 19, 2013, 10:50:43 PM
Wow, Trinity coach Steve Mohr has retired...congratulations on a great career, coach! 'Roo nation wishes you nothing but the best! An excellent, classy coach who will be missed in D3 football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2013, 12:12:48 AM
Coach Mohr elevated a program that had been a laughing stock for decades and made it nationally relevant.  The struggles of the last few years (and not coincidentally the rise of the UHMB program) takes nothing away from what he was able to do during his time at Trinity, even during those years when the program had relatively support from the administration.   His absence will be keenly felt, but at the same time it is encouraging to see that the university has kept him on in a football development role.   

Coach Mohr was always very generous with his time back in the day and a pleasure to interview either before or after a game.   I always knew he would provide insight and at least one great quote whenever we talked.

Thanks for all your contributions to Trinity, Coach, of which the largest are those hundreds and hundreds of young men who are better people for having come through your program. 

"Mohr" details:  http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/131119_mohr_retires
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 20, 2013, 10:19:17 AM
Congratulations Coach Mohr on a long and storied career.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 20, 2013, 10:57:00 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2013, 12:12:48 AM
Coach Mohr elevated a program that had been a laughing stock for decades and made it nationally relevant.  The struggles of the last few years (and not coincidentally the rise of the UHMB program) takes nothing away from what he was able to do during his time at Trinity, even during those years when the program had relatively support from the administration.   His absence will be keenly felt, but at the same time it is encouraging to see that the university has kept him on in a football development role.   

Coach Mohr was always very generous with his time back in the day and a pleasure to interview either before or after a game.   I always knew he would provide insight and at least one great quote whenever we talked.Thanks for all your contributions to Trinity, Coach, of which the largest are those hundreds and hundreds of young men who are better people for having come through your program. 

"Mohr" details:  http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/131119_mohr_retires

After writing Around the South for several years, I can echo Ron's sentiments.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 20, 2013, 02:35:24 PM
For anyone wondering why there was no mention of a search to replace Steve Mohr:   Jerheme Urban has been promoted to head coach for the Tigers.

http://www.trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2013-14/releases/131120_urban_hire

Good luck, Coach Urban!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2013, 11:28:29 AM
Trinity has posted this tribute to the late Bob Edwards (http://trinitytigers.com/legends/Bob_Edwards) ("Historymajor" on this board). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Craft_Beermeister on November 28, 2013, 11:34:40 AM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 31, 2014, 06:27:46 PM
Well.   McMurry announced it's coming back to D3 (see http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2014/01/mcmurry-returning-to-division-iii).    While they are almost almost certainly destined for the ASC, who needs one team to keep their Pool A when MC leaves, let's pretend you are the SCAC commish and get a phone call inquiring about membership in the SCAC.   What do you do?

- one football team won't do much for your Pool A hopes but gets you closer down the road, and maybe McM would help you lure Hardin-Simmons if you DO find someone else or talk one of the existing members into (re)starting FB
- McM has a good D3 profile (should have never left) and probably fit in the SCAC at least as well as some of the other recent adds, but at the same time the dalliance with D2 and the fact that the NCAA changed the rules to ban schools moving to other divisions from participating in championships happened as a result of said dalliance might make you wonder.

So, three readers of this board, what say you?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on February 01, 2014, 11:07:22 AM
THe scac should be proactive and invite both McMurry and Hardin-Simmons to get to 10 full members. Out of the 10, 6 would have football programs, so they just need 1 current member to start/re-start a program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 03, 2014, 05:49:22 PM
Guess we'll have to see ... obviously there's LOTS of interest here on the topic.  Thanks for the comment, cush.

And in the latest chapter in the Trinity football stadium saga, new HC Jerheme Urban tweeted yesterday that a new stadium "is in the works" and that "[a]ll will be updated at the appropriate time."   And in another overdue move, they're also getting rid of the black home unis next season and will have new helmets.   The other unis looked great but wearing black when it's 100+ outside was always an interesting choice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2014, 11:48:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 03, 2014, 05:49:22 PM
Guess we'll have to see ... obviously there's LOTS of interest here on the topic.  Thanks for the comment, cush.

And in the latest chapter in the Trinity football stadium saga, new HC Jerheme Urban tweeted yesterday that a new stadium "is in the works" and that "[a]ll will be updated at the appropriate time."   And in another overdue move, they're also getting rid of the black home unis next season and will have new helmets.   The other unis looked great but wearing black when it's 100+ outside was always an interesting choice.

The appropriate time was about 2001, wouldn't you say? :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 04, 2014, 11:13:51 AM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2014, 11:48:01 PM
The appropriate time was about 2001, wouldn't you say? :)

That was worth +k which made 3500 at the time.  :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on February 04, 2014, 04:26:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 31, 2014, 06:27:46 PM
Well.   McMurry announced it's coming back to D3 (see http://www.d3sports.com/notables/2014/01/mcmurry-returning-to-division-iii).    While they are almost almost certainly destined for the ASC, who needs one team to keep their Pool A when MC leaves, let's pretend you are the SCAC commish and get a phone call inquiring about membership in the SCAC.   What do you do?

- one football team won't do much for your Pool A hopes but gets you closer down the road, and maybe McM would help you lure Hardin-Simmons if you DO find someone else or talk one of the existing members into (re)starting FB
- McM has a good D3 profile (should have never left) and probably fit in the SCAC at least as well as some of the other recent adds, but at the same time the dalliance with D2 and the fact that the NCAA changed the rules to ban schools moving to other divisions from participating in championships happened as a result of said dalliance might make you wonder.

So, three readers of this board, what say you?

I guess you could say I am torn between these two scenarios!  :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 19, 2014, 05:02:54 PM
Trinity's 2014 schedule is up:  http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2014-15/schedule

Some interesting changes and a better looking schedule than last year:

Howard Payne
@Willamette
@Sul Ross
Pacific Lutheran
@Hardin-Simmons
Chicago

SW - non conference
@TLU *
@SW *
Austin *

* - SCAC conference games



Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on March 19, 2014, 05:36:08 PM
I would assume that with their return McMurry won't be eligible for playoffs for several years while the "scholarship athletes" pass on - similar to Birmingham Southern when they switched?

Depending on how many of their player's transfer after the news of the Division change, I'd love to see a matchup between McMurry and UMHB in the first year back. Not sure if UMHB's schedule is set, though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 19, 2014, 06:08:47 PM
Kind of an unknown as we've never seen a team stop the process of leaving D3 to come back to it; the NCAA will have to rule.  That said, they are honoring athletic schollys for the next two years so the soonest they could get into the playoffs (NCAA and the ASC willing) is 2016.

UMHB released their schedule a couple of weeks ago and McMurry is not on it.   Millsaps, Redlands, UW-LaCrosse, Kean, and TLU are the non-ASC opponents. 

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on March 23, 2014, 10:00:17 AM
The restaurant I work for is popular with the McM football team and they are not happy about the change. I've talked to several that plan on transferring.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on March 23, 2014, 05:59:27 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on March 23, 2014, 10:00:17 AM
The restaurant I work for is popular with the McM football team and they are not happy about the change. I've talked to several that plan on transferring.

Can't say I blame them, not exactly the situation they were promised when they were being recruited. I would be interested to hear how this years recruiting went, a lot of questions marks now and in the future doesn't exactly sell Mom on sending their kid to the school.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 26, 2014, 09:55:43 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on March 23, 2014, 10:00:17 AM
The restaurant I work for is popular with the McM football team and they are not happy about the change. I've talked to several that plan on transferring.
The guys on the football team need to take a course in finance.  I am sorry that they are losing a "scholarship" football program. If they are any good, they might be able to switch to another D-2 (if the NCAA or the governing conference of their new school were to permit the transfer.)

However, in my humble opinion, McMurry could not compete in the Lone Star Conference in the late 1960's and were definitely not going to have the athletic success in D-2 that they did in the ASC.

Athletic success as measured by number of conference championships does not necessarily fulfill the educational goals and mission and vision of an institution.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2014, 12:34:23 PM
Back to the SCAC.

Good news for Trinity (regardless of football program impact):  the class of 2018 is 22% larger than the class of 2017.  Hopefully a few of those 125 additional students are student-athletes and specifically football players  ;)

Surprising news department:  according to the student newspaper, the SCAC football teams will play a home/away conference schedule beginning in 2016-17.    I guess that speaks to the difficulty in prying a Hardin-Simmons (etc.) away from their current affilliation(s) to join the SCAC, and/or convincing Colorado College to restart their dormant program.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on May 14, 2014, 09:25:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2014, 12:34:23 PM
Back to the SCAC.

Good news for Trinity (regardless of football program impact):  the class of 2018 is 22% larger than the class of 2017.  Hopefully a few of those 125 additional students are student-athletes and specifically football players  ;)

Surprising news department:  according to the student newspaper, the SCAC football teams will play a home/away conference schedule beginning in 2016-17.    I guess that speaks to the difficulty in prying a Hardin-Simmons (etc.) away from their current affilliation(s) to join the SCAC, and/or convincing Colorado College to restart their dormant program.

After reading the article you mentioned Ron, I am curious what are your thoughts on Trinity making a jump in classification as discussed in that article? What do you think are the thoughts of the average Trinity fan?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on May 15, 2014, 05:24:07 PM
One of my sources recently told me that Austin College has 50+ freshman footballers who have paid initial costs to enroll in 2014. I also think that only 2-4 of last years' 30+ frosh are not returning.  We will know for sure in August but it looks like a great overall retention rate and nice recruiting job by Coach Dawson and his staff!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2014, 08:25:24 PM
Quote from: crufootball on May 14, 2014, 09:25:46 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 13, 2014, 12:34:23 PM
Back to the SCAC.

Good news for Trinity (regardless of football program impact):  the class of 2018 is 22% larger than the class of 2017.  Hopefully a few of those 125 additional students are student-athletes and specifically football players  ;)

Surprising news department:  according to the student newspaper, the SCAC football teams will play a home/away conference schedule beginning in 2016-17.    I guess that speaks to the difficulty in prying a Hardin-Simmons (etc.) away from their current affilliation(s) to join the SCAC, and/or convincing Colorado College to restart their dormant program.

After reading the article you mentioned Ron, I am curious what are your thoughts on Trinity making a jump in classification as discussed in that article? What do you think are the thoughts of the average Trinity fan?

I think it's one thing for the soccer coach to think about D1 (they did defeat SMU in a spring friendly last year), another for football or most any other sports.    Don't think the average Trinity fan, who hasn't cared too much about them playing in a 1A HS field the last 20 years, has much interest in them trying to change classifications.    Don't have the facilities, the financial support, or the support of the town where there are suddenly not just one but two Division I football programs, the second of which (UIW) is about a mile down the road.  About the only sport I could see there being any interest would be tennis, given the school's former D1 heritage, but they're not moving from D3.

One interesting coincidence:   the school just announced that President Dennis Ahlberg, who has been quite supportive of the athletic programs, will step down at the end of his five-year contract Jan 1st, or sooner if a replacement is found.   That's a shame, he's been quite good for the school overall and would even talk to commoners like me at events (unlilke his predecessors he was a common site in the stands at games of all kinds). 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on June 20, 2014, 01:21:52 PM
Quote from: roocru on May 15, 2014, 05:24:07 PM
One of my sources recently told me that Austin College has 50+ freshman footballers who have paid initial costs to enroll in 2014. I also think that only 2-4 of last years' 30+ frosh are not returning.  We will know for sure in August but it looks like a great overall retention rate and nice recruiting job by Coach Dawson and his staff!
I believe you are correct...I've seen a rough version of the roster and it is the biggest, in terms of numbers, I've seen in a very, very long time. Lots of retention, and a huge recruiting class. The momentum that a four game win streak to end the year brings is pretty palpable when you take a look at how many kids are currently expected this fall.

Obviously, there will be some who decide not to play, or decide not to enroll, but as of right now the roster should number at more than 100 players, by a pretty decent margin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 10, 2014, 08:12:46 AM
This doesn't really belong here, but since it's been three weeks since the last post, who's going to complain?

The SCAC recently announced that McMurry will affilliate with the conference in swimming/diving, joining the five SCAC programs that sponsor the sport and affilliate UC-Santa Cruz, effective with the upcoming season.   

http://scacsports.com/sports/mswimdive/2014-15/releases/mcmurry_swim_affiliate

Maybe their experience will be so good they'll talk the rest of the athletic program into coming along for the ride.  Hey, you gotta have a dream ...


Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on July 15, 2014, 10:32:54 AM
Well now I feel like I should complain just out of principle.

In news unrelated to swimming, word is that the 'Roo football roster will be well into triple digits for the first time in recent memory. Exciting to see such great depth, and the word is there are some terrific athletes coming in.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 15, 2014, 05:18:10 PM
El Tea Gray: regarding Post #9957 (5/15/2014)


Ron,
Regarding you and Ahlberg having good Trinity sports discussions in the "stands"; are you sure you both didn't wind-up near the concession stand or rest room or somewhere else in the venue? The only times that I ever saw Ahlberg make his presence known at a Trinity sports event; he was arriving and then leaving not more than 30 minutes later! IMHO let's not get another Aussie!

                                                                                                                                       :o     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on July 23, 2014, 06:52:54 PM
(El Tea Gray: regarding Trinity Tiger's 2014 Football Season)

The Tigers play three teams ranked or receiving votes in the D3.com 2014 Preseason Football Poll: #19 Pacific Lutheran, #36 Texas Lutheran and #37 Willamette.
IMHO Trinity will win all three of these games; remember, Mason Blashke is back at QB and if he stays healthy his passing and running should lead the Tigers into the playoffs this season (many consider
him to be a potential D3 level Johnny Manzell except from Cuero HS not Kerville HS).

Question: If both Trinity and UMHB make the first round of the D3 Playoffs, will their probable game be in San Antonio or Belton? The last time they played (2013) the game was in Belton; it was however a regular season game not a playoff game. I recall that there was a ruling that two teams did not have to play two games in a row at the same site; don't know if that was in regards to just playoff games?   



                                                                                                                  Go Tigers, Go
                                                                                                                              :)         
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on July 23, 2014, 09:19:00 PM
If UMHB is undefeated, it will host that game every time. There's no ruling such as you describe.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on August 16, 2014, 01:08:43 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: 2014 Trinity Tiger Football Team Reporting)



115 Reported
Today (Saturday) was the first day in helmets and shorts; IMHO, physically everyone looked great. As expected, it is really hot in San Antonio (high of 100+ later today). Stay tuned.                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                                Go Tigers, Go                                                                               :)                                                         
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 19, 2014, 06:09:25 PM
New uniform/preseason promo video for Austin College: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGcNe9sH5x4
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 20, 2014, 12:33:27 PM
AC has posted an updated roster numbering over 120.
SW has 85 on their roster.
TLU has 148 including a huge incoming class (nearly 100).
TU has not updated yet but etg's 115 sounds reasonable.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 20, 2014, 01:36:35 PM
... and here's Trinity's new uniform reveal vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cuW01iJJQ-I
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on August 24, 2014, 04:00:22 PM
10/25/2014

2 Months to Prepare TLU
1 Day to get it right

All of the whinning and complaining to get out of the ASC comes down to that day. I'll be there. Will you?

Crunation
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on August 24, 2014, 09:04:22 PM
I never heard any whining or complaining, I just saw them leave. I plan on being there and I plan on being a good sport on this forum and on game day.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on August 24, 2014, 10:38:42 PM
Welcome RLW
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on August 25, 2014, 10:38:06 PM
Quote from: RLW on August 24, 2014, 09:04:22 PM
I never heard any whining or complaining, I just saw them leave. I plan on being there and I plan on being a good sport on this forum and on game day.

Just messing. Throwing around a little salt! There are some great guys at TLU, many who came from UMHB. Good friends.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2014, 12:43:56 PM
Trinity folks should be pleased at the coverage in Kickoff (not too late for anyone to purchase, https://d3football.prestosports.com/secure/index).     The SCAC writer is an enthusiastic recent graduate from another (non-Texas) conference. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 26, 2014, 02:06:07 PM
Great job with Kickoff again, guys. Amazing how you guys are able to cover so much ground and be so comprehensive.

One quick note - AC is listed as having gone 2-8 last year...we were actually 5-5. Just an FYI, in case it's still editable. But we definitely appreciate what you guys do to promote conferences like ours!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 26, 2014, 02:25:07 PM
Done, thanks for the catch. Some of the schools early in the alphabet didn't get those updates this year. :(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: etg on September 03, 2014, 06:55:12 PM
(El Tea Gray--re: Listed biggest "Baby Trinity Tigers" for 2014)


New tallest on squad:
#15    Davis King         FY        QB         6'6"          215lbs          Columbia, SC


New biggest on squad:
#68     Zachary Guney      FY       OL         6'5"      365lbs           San Antonio, TX  (Alamo Heights)   (WOW!)



                                                                                        :)
                                                                             Go Tigers, Go
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 04, 2014, 02:53:41 PM
As an Austin College fan, I'd just like to point out that it's a Trinity post that started page number 666  ;)

Anyone have any predictions for the weekend?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 04, 2014, 06:52:01 PM
Quote from: jekelish on September 04, 2014, 02:53:41 PM
As an Austin College fan, I'd just like to point out that it's a Trinity post that started page number 666  ;)

Anyone have any predictions for the weekend?
I wanted to copy your post about etg and page #666 (LOL) so as to archive this for posterity.

;D

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2014, 08:58:55 AM
Decent preview of the HPU-Trinity game (from the HPU perspective) in the Brownwood paper - limits you to three free articles/month before registering:

http://www.brownwoodtx.com/sports/college/football/article_4d8f3a6d-e989-58ee-9792-2f6e5c19bc11.html

Based on the fact that he's already talking about injuries and holding players out of a scrimmage to prevent more, I'll take Trinity over HPU, comfortably. 
TLU over Sul Ross, comfortably.
Rhodes over Austin, close.
HSU over Southwestern. comfortably.

All SCAC teams are at home with only Austin playing in the heat of the afternoon.   Scattered rain in the forecast for the three southern teams, not sure about Sherman.

Also, the here's the SCAC season prospectus for anyone who hasn't seen it:  http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/14_football_prospectus
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 05, 2014, 11:09:41 AM
Ron - at last check, 30% chance of rain in Sherman tomorrow. Possibly a thunderstorm in the afternoon. Which makes sense, since the last time AC beat Rhodes was in 2010 when the game started on Saturday and had to be finished on Sunday due to severe weather.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2014, 06:45:57 PM
Page 666, indeed.   Not sure anything else would account for the *nine* Trinity fumbles last night; although they didn't lose all of them they lost enough (four) to cost them the chance to win the game.    One fumble was deep in HPU territory (inside the five) after a long reception, but the most costly was the last, which occurred on the first play after Matt Kennemer's return had put TU in business 40 yards from what could have been the winning TD with ~2:30 left to play.

HPU ran the no-huddle offense and were able to get receivers open pretty much all night.  HPU QB  Richard Young aired it out 51 times, completing 36 for 365 yards, 2 TDs, and 1 INT late.   For their part, Trinity showed a decent running game when they did hold on to the ball (Travis Williams had 137 yards on 25 carries) and QB Mason Blaschke ended up over 200 yards after a slow start (15-24 for 208, 2TDs, no INT).     

The road doesn't get any easier next week, with a road game at Willamette - at least it won't be 99 at game time as it was yesterday.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 08, 2014, 09:33:39 PM
TLU shook off the first game jitters and opened their new on campus stadium with an impressive 61-15 win over Sul Ross .Game of the South on October 25th when the Cru travel to Seguin to take on TLU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 08, 2014, 09:46:55 PM
If I were TLU I would not look past Louisiana College.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 08, 2014, 09:54:08 PM
La College? Hell the only game their concerned about is the next one.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2014, 10:14:48 AM
I figured the relative lack of activity on the three boards and national irrelevance of anyone other than UMHB meant we wouldn't have a South Region column this year, but looks like we will starting next week - see http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/index .   Thanks, guys!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 12, 2014, 02:18:36 PM
Glad to hear it, Ron. Looking forward to seeing his work.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 13, 2014, 02:11:09 PM
TLU 7 HSU 0 in the 1st
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 13, 2014, 02:34:59 PM
TLU 14 HSU 7 end of 1st
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 13, 2014, 03:08:41 PM
TLU 21-HSU 7 at the half
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 13, 2014, 04:41:18 PM
TLU gets a historic win in Abilene knocking off a game HSU team 37-14. First win ever in Abilene for TLU. Now we can talk about La College!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on September 13, 2014, 05:11:00 PM
Way to go Southwestern....Enjoyed watching your game...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2014, 07:17:11 PM
Trinity never gets the passing game untracked and loses to Willamette 34-10.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 13, 2014, 09:44:11 PM
Congrats to Southwestern on a nice win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 16, 2014, 02:28:36 PM
SCAC 360 - Football Video Recap (Week 2) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ij53hxIzdE&list=UU9vdlY1usN5GPDSQ9Y-nhBw (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ij53hxIzdE&list=UU9vdlY1usN5GPDSQ9Y-nhBw)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2014, 11:45:24 AM
"Around the South" returns with a well-written article on the challenges (and opportunities) faced by Jerheme Urban and Trinity this season.   http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2014/jerheme-urban-trying-teach-trinity-back-to-prominence

I think the d3football crew have found a fine new columnist in Justin Goldberg - not just saying that for the subject matter - and I look forward to his other takes on the rest of the region.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2014, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2014, 11:45:24 AM
"Around the South" returns with a well-written article on the challenges (and opportunities) faced by Jerheme Urban and Trinity this season.   http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2014/jerheme-urban-trying-teach-trinity-back-to-prominence

I think the d3football crew have found a fine new columnist in Justin Goldberg - not just saying that for the subject matter - and I look forward to his other takes on the rest of the region.
Yeah, almost as good as the first one...   ;-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 22, 2014, 12:33:17 AM
Kelly,  You were right LC gave TLU all it could handle in Pineville this week. I still think both teams will be undefeated on Oct 25th When UMHB visits TLU in Seguin.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on September 22, 2014, 08:25:11 AM
Close game, both teams played hard, real nail biter. Congrats TLU.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on September 22, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2014, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2014, 11:45:24 AM
"Around the South" returns with a well-written article on the challenges (and opportunities) faced by Jerheme Urban and Trinity this season.   http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2014/jerheme-urban-trying-teach-trinity-back-to-prominence

I think the d3football crew have found a fine new columnist in Justin Goldberg - not just saying that for the subject matter - and I look forward to his other takes on the rest of the region.
Yeah, almost as good as the first one...   ;-)
And a heck of a lot better than that gut from Delaware.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 22, 2014, 05:08:53 PM
Quote from: @d3jason on September 22, 2014, 01:50:20 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 17, 2014, 03:19:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 17, 2014, 11:45:24 AM
"Around the South" returns with a well-written article on the challenges (and opportunities) faced by Jerheme Urban and Trinity this season.   http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2014/jerheme-urban-trying-teach-trinity-back-to-prominence

I think the d3football crew have found a fine new columnist in Justin Goldberg - not just saying that for the subject matter - and I look forward to his other takes on the rest of the region.
Yeah, almost as good as the first one...   ;-)
And a heck of a lot better than that gut from Delaware.
Hmm...
"gut".  Okay Gut?  (Euphemism?)

I think stomach but that is too high.  Duodenum, jejunum and ileum are too high, too.

Colon? No.

Sigmoid?  Not really.

Not going any farther.....    ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 22, 2014, 06:38:10 PM
ksclegal,

It was an entertaining game Saturday in Pineville with a very strange ending. Teams were evenly matched. Turnovers hurt LC in the first half.  TLU's ball security was most impressive - 0 turnovers.

If UMHB does not get its offense on track, it is going to find itself in some games that are going be much closer than need be. From what I understand the defense lacked a lot to be desired in the second half Saturday. This CRU team needs to establish itself and the sooner the better. 

I will be in Central Texas this weekend when The CRU takes on Kean. I hope to see a complete game from UMHB.

I sure hope I cam make it over to Seguin on Oct. 25.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 25, 2014, 01:30:05 PM
SCAC 360 - Football Video Recap (Week 3) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEK8erAmpog&list=PLre47zYMwAfTMY8JjHrtGbBwbq6k7w5Mh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEK8erAmpog&list=PLre47zYMwAfTMY8JjHrtGbBwbq6k7w5Mh)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 27, 2014, 01:29:34 AM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on September 22, 2014, 06:38:10 PM
ksclegal,

It was an entertaining game Saturday in Pineville with a very strange ending. Teams were evenly matched. Turnovers hurt LC in the first half.  TLU's ball security was most impressive - 0 turnovers.

If UMHB does not get its offense on track, it is going to find itself in some games that are going be much closer than need be. From what I understand the defense lacked a lot to be desired in the second half Saturday. This CRU team needs to establish itself and the sooner the better. 

I will be in Central Texas this weekend when The CRU takes on Kean. I hope to see a complete game from UMHB.

I sure hope I cam make it over to Seguin on Oct. 25.

With injuries and players moving on, we are starting several freshman, and at not point on Saturday, we had 6 in the game on defense. That is going to allow for some scores. Thankfully we have some games for them to learn and grow.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 27, 2014, 10:27:25 PM
After a sloppy start TLU defeats SAGU 54-21.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 28, 2014, 10:47:50 PM
Quote from: ksclegal on September 27, 2014, 10:27:25 PM
After a sloppy start TLU defeats SAGU 54-21.

Can't do that vs the Cru.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on September 29, 2014, 12:46:26 AM
No, have to play much better to have a chance to win. Although the Cru has won every game handily , I don't think we have seen their best football yet.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 01, 2014, 09:38:48 PM
Quote from: ksclegal on September 29, 2014, 12:46:26 AM
No, have to play much better to have a chance to win. Although the Cru has won every game handily , I don't think we have seen their best football yet.

Saturday was pretty good. This bye week will do us good as we seek to get healthy. I don't think either side of the ball has clicked, yet, as well as special teams.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 02, 2014, 05:33:12 PM
What game day events go on in and around TLU? Looking to head to the game and want to find something to experience. Also, are there any good places to camp?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on October 03, 2014, 02:25:03 PM
TLU has a nice tailgating  section adjacent to the stadium.I am sure there are campgrounds on the Guadalupe .
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on October 03, 2014, 08:07:03 PM
Go Bulldogs, See you in Brownwood. :)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on October 04, 2014, 05:59:22 PM
Watching the Southwestern game, enjoyable good broadcast guys...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on October 07, 2014, 01:51:41 PM
 Go Bulldogs. Good to be at home after 4 road games.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 08, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
SCAC 360 - Football Video Recap (Week 5) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zwy9cPl060&list=PLre47zYMwAfTMY8JjHrtGbBwbq6k7w5Mh (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zwy9cPl060&list=PLre47zYMwAfTMY8JjHrtGbBwbq6k7w5Mh)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 08, 2014, 06:04:01 PM
Just purchased my tickets for me and my dad! Should be a good trip for us as we head down to Seguin for the UMHB game!

Up with the Purple!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 09, 2014, 10:30:34 AM
I look forward to seeing you in Seguin, 2001. I hope there is a strong contingent of UMHB faithful on hand to support The CRU. We need to be CRUproud and loud!

I will be at Homecoming next week as well. I hope to see you then.

UP with the PURPLE!

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 10, 2014, 12:53:17 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on October 09, 2014, 10:30:34 AM
I look forward to seeing you in Seguin, 2001. I hope there is a strong contingent of UMHB faithful on hand to support The CRU. We need to be CRUproud and loud!

I will be at Homecoming next week as well. I hope to see you then.

UP with the PURPLE!

Sounds great, Kelly! Safe travels and see you at homecoming!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 11, 2014, 04:58:40 PM
Continues to be a very frustrating year in San Antonio.   Trinity holds undefeated UChicago under 200 yards of total offense, but two early turnovers deep in their territory resulted in 14 quick points and the visitors win 14-7.   The Trinity defense did their part with six sacks and no fewer than 16 tackles for loss, but the offense could not get the passing game going (another sad trend this season).

Trinity's only score came on a 38-yard option pitch to Desmond King late in the game.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wesleydad on October 11, 2014, 10:40:52 PM
Nice effort by TLU today.  That was a fun game to watch.  Offense is explosive.  The defense will have to improve to compete with UMHB in 2 weeks, but the Bulldogs are a nice team.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 12, 2014, 03:31:56 PM
Quote from: wesleydad on October 11, 2014, 10:40:52 PM
Nice effort by TLU today.  That was a fun game to watch.  Offense is explosive.  The defense will have to improve to compete with UMHB in 2 weeks, but the Bulldogs are a nice team.

I agree. Great game and explosive, on both sidelines.

I don't see the TLU line stymieing  our Dline toouch. We are bigger and faster in my opinion. Through the first four games, UMHB played while looking for their RB. They found him this week in a kid from DC. That is going to help our team so much.

Should be a great game, though, and I'm glad I'll see it from the stands and not on my computer.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 18, 2014, 06:48:13 PM
Obviously, barring a perfect game from AC on November 8, TLU is going to take the conference crown pretty easily this year once again.

That said - it's been a fun year to be an AC supporter. 4-2, and having won 9-of-12 dating back to last year...great to see Coach Dawson having the program on such a great upswing. 4 game win streak for the second time in as many years after holding on for a 27-20 road win over SAGU today.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 21, 2014, 05:52:06 PM
So I guess there is a big game this week. Wouldn't know it from this board!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on October 21, 2014, 06:39:10 PM
Every game is big. Looking forward to the game this weekend. TLU/UMHB
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 23, 2014, 10:27:33 AM
Yeah, they are all big, some are just a tad bit bigger than others.  ;)

UP with the PURPLE!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Certainly a big game.  This is a great chance for TLU to measure up against the best program in the area.  I think it is interesting that no one mentions the fact that TLU has won 15 of its last 16 games.  That is no small feat.

On the ASC board, everyone wants to talk about whether TLU's offense can keep up.  No one mentions the other side of the ball where I think this game will be decided because TLU's offense is balanced and able to score against good defenses.  If TLU's defense plays like it did against Sul Ross, HSU, SWAGU, and HPU, then TLU has a real chance to win.  The defense even played a huge role in their comeback against ETBU.  Once ETBU went up 43-28, ETBU only had 1 first down on their next three possessions giving TLU's offense great field position to flip the score to 55- 43.  I am not familiar with UMHB's offense.  Looking at their scores, they appear to be very good.  But it is TLU's defense can hold UMHB to around 30, then TLU definitely has a chance to get a very big win.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 23, 2014, 01:04:42 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Certainly a big game.  This is a great chance for TLU to measure up against the best program in the area.  I think it is interesting that no one mentions the fact that TLU has won 15 of its last 16 games.  That is no small feat.

On the ASC board, everyone wants to talk about whether TLU's offense can keep up.  No one mentions the other side of the ball where I think this game will be decided because TLU's offense is balanced and able to score against good defenses.  If TLU's defense plays like it did against Sul Ross, HSU, SWAGU, and HPU, then TLU has a real chance to win.  The defense even played a huge role in their comeback against ETBU.  Once ETBU went up 43-28, ETBU only had 1 first down on their next three possessions giving TLU's offense great field position to flip the score to 55- 43.  I am not familiar with UMHB's offense.  Looking at their scores, they appear to be very good.  But it is TLU's defense can hold UMHB to around 30, then TLU definitely has a chance to get a very big win.

Great thoughts and welcome to the board! +k!

While I agree that TLU's offense is balanced and their D has been tough, I then have to argue, who have they played? They gave up 15 to SRS playing at home and 32 to LC on the Road. I would say their D is better at home, but the telling part is 21 to SAGU. These three teams are not near as potent as UMHB on both sides of the ball. The one great thing TLU has going for it is knowledge of the UMHB style. Now, while our offense has changed greatly over the last 3 seasons, the foundation of the power run is the same, so this gives the closely knit coaches of TLU some confidence of what we might do. I will say, though, that our style has changed significantly, and I believe our size and depth to be the ultimate factor.

But, games are played on the field, not on paper, and not on the sidelines.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 02:14:51 PM
UMHB2001, you are right about TLU's schedule.  That is why Saturday is such a big measuring stick for TLU because, over the last season and 1/2, TLU has shown that it can beat everyone else in the area.  The next step is competing with UMHB.

By Saturday night, I think everyone will be surprised by TLU.  I completely understand outside perception of TLU football would be skeptical.  There is no doubt that TLU, since it reinstated its program , has been mediocre at best.  However, Coach Danny Padron has turned this program around and what I see (and I admit that my eyes are biased) is a really good football team.

I hope for both of our teams that Saturday is a close and hard fought game.  I also hope TLU can sustain this success.  It would be great to have multiple teams from Texas be relevant in the DIII national picture at the same time.

Thanks for welcoming me aboard.  I had no clue there was large and thriving DIII football community out there.  Of course, I have been watching and keeping up with TLU football but only recently stumbled upon these boards.  Look forward to some friendly banter.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Certainly a big game.  This is a great chance for TLU to measure up against the best program in the area.  I think it is interesting that no one mentions the fact that TLU has won 15 of its last 16 games.  That is no small feat.

On the ASC board, everyone wants to talk about whether TLU's offense can keep up.  No one mentions the other side of the ball where I think this game will be decided because TLU's offense is balanced and able to score against good defenses.  If TLU's defense plays like it did against Sul Ross, HSU, SWAGU, and HPU, then TLU has a real chance to win.  The defense even played a huge role in their comeback against ETBU.  Once ETBU went up 43-28, ETBU only had 1 first down on their next three possessions giving TLU's offense great field position to flip the score to 55- 43.  I am not familiar with UMHB's offense.  Looking at their scores, they appear to be very good.  But it is TLU's defense can hold UMHB to around 30, then TLU definitely has a chance to get a very big win.

TLU may have won 15 of 16 but like crufootball2001 said, it hasn't been against a top contender. I think UMHB is up to 58 out of 59 regular season wins. So for us to talk about TLU's streak when there is the lack of a power schedule isn't a hot topic for us.

If TLU's D holds the CRU to around 30, I would be very surprised. I've been waiting for this game since TLU went to the SCAC and played everyone in the ASC but UMHB. There's a growing tension and we may have a new Texas rivalry coming. But TLU has to show up and play like everyone down there thinks. It will be fun to see all the purple in the stands.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2014, 02:49:23 PM
Quote from: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
I've been waiting for this game since TLU went to the SCAC and played everyone in the ASC but UMHB.

Probably a fair number of our voters thinking along the same lines there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:55:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2014, 02:49:23 PM
Quote from: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
I've been waiting for this game since TLU went to the SCAC and played everyone in the ASC but UMHB.

Probably a fair number of our voters thinking along the same lines there.

What's your call on the game Pat? TLU or UMHB? Close or large point differential?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 23, 2014, 03:25:43 PM
Took a skim through the pick'em boards and didn't see anyone taking TLU. Not the most scientific, but it gives you an idea of how big an upset it would be. Then again, that goes for any of the big 5 teams during the regular season (UWW, UMU, UMHB, Wesley and Linfield). NCC loses a bit more in the regular season, and Wesley every now and then, but the other 3... well... it's a rare, rare event.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Certainly a big game.  This is a great chance for TLU to measure up against the best program in the area.  I think it is interesting that no one mentions the fact that TLU has won 15 of its last 16 games.  That is no small feat.

On the ASC board, everyone wants to talk about whether TLU's offense can keep up.  No one mentions the other side of the ball where I think this game will be decided because TLU's offense is balanced and able to score against good defenses.  If TLU's defense plays like it did against Sul Ross, HSU, SWAGU, and HPU, then TLU has a real chance to win.  The defense even played a huge role in their comeback against ETBU.  Once ETBU went up 43-28, ETBU only had 1 first down on their next three possessions giving TLU's offense great field position to flip the score to 55- 43.  I am not familiar with UMHB's offense.  Looking at their scores, they appear to be very good.  But it is TLU's defense can hold UMHB to around 30, then TLU definitely has a chance to get a very big win.

TLU may have won 15 of 16 but like crufootball2001 said, it hasn't been against a top contender. I think UMHB is up to 58 out of 59 regular season wins. So for us to talk about TLU's streak when there is the lack of a power schedule isn't a hot topic for us.

If TLU's D holds the CRU to around 30, I would be very surprised. I've been waiting for this game since TLU went to the SCAC and played everyone in the ASC but UMHB. There's a growing tension and we may have a new Texas rivalry coming. But TLU has to show up and play like everyone down there thinks. It will be fun to see all the purple in the stands.

Isn't that the point I am making.  That TLU has a good streak going on here and the next step is competing with UMHB.  The implication being UMHB is the best program in the area. 

Not sure about the scheduling shot there either.  TLU's schedule went unchanged last season except that Southwestern (a startup SCAC program that TLU had to schedule) was added in place of the UMHB.  It is my understanding that the TLU-UMHB game was dropped because they couldn't get their two schedules to work.  From a costs perspective, it would have made more sense for TLU to travel to Belton last year instead of Mississippi College. That said, TLU and UMHB worked quickly to get this two year deal on the schedule.  And this "growing tension"???  Ok, you get tense. I will enjoy the game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 23, 2014, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Certainly a big game.  This is a great chance for TLU to measure up against the best program in the area.  I think it is interesting that no one mentions the fact that TLU has won 15 of its last 16 games.  That is no small feat.

On the ASC board, everyone wants to talk about whether TLU's offense can keep up.  No one mentions the other side of the ball where I think this game will be decided because TLU's offense is balanced and able to score against good defenses.  If TLU's defense plays like it did against Sul Ross, HSU, SWAGU, and HPU, then TLU has a real chance to win.  The defense even played a huge role in their comeback against ETBU.  Once ETBU went up 43-28, ETBU only had 1 first down on their next three possessions giving TLU's offense great field position to flip the score to 55- 43.  I am not familiar with UMHB's offense.  Looking at their scores, they appear to be very good.  But it is TLU's defense can hold UMHB to around 30, then TLU definitely has a chance to get a very big win.

TLU may have won 15 of 16 but like crufootball2001 said, it hasn't been against a top contender. I think UMHB is up to 58 out of 59 regular season wins. So for us to talk about TLU's streak when there is the lack of a power schedule isn't a hot topic for us.

If TLU's D holds the CRU to around 30, I would be very surprised. I've been waiting for this game since TLU went to the SCAC and played everyone in the ASC but UMHB. There's a growing tension and we may have a new Texas rivalry coming. But TLU has to show up and play like everyone down there thinks. It will be fun to see all the purple in the stands.

Isn't that the point I am making.  That TLU has a good streak going on here and the next step is competing with UMHB.  The implication being UMHB is the best program in the area. 

Not sure about the scheduling shot there either.  TLU's schedule went unchanged last season except that Southwestern (a startup SCAC program that TLU had to schedule) was added in place of the UMHB.  It is my understanding that the TLU-UMHB game was dropped because they couldn't get their two schedules to work.  From a costs perspective, it would have made more sense for TLU to travel to Belton last year instead of Mississippi College. That said, TLU and UMHB worked quickly to get this two year deal on the schedule.  And this "growing tension"???  Ok, you get tense. I will enjoy the game.

TLU02SA, I don't know where you are on the scene as far as freshman on campus or older gent coming new to the boards, but as I have been around since the inception of Cru football, knowing that we have handled the conference for a number of years now, to see McMurry, Mississippi College, and TLU leave after being handled for many years makes me think that they left because there was too much competition. Now, I know that there are fundamental positions that coincide with campus beliefs, but to me it also looks like a way to get out of Big Brother's shadow and create your own name which TLU has done. I believe the tension to be that of looking to prove that we are still the Big Brother. I believe/think/hope that we are. Should be fun!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 23, 2014, 06:07:06 PM
Quote from: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:55:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2014, 02:49:23 PM
Quote from: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
I've been waiting for this game since TLU went to the SCAC and played everyone in the ASC but UMHB.

Probably a fair number of our voters thinking along the same lines there.

What's your call on the game Pat? TLU or UMHB? Close or large point differential?
We might get the answer in the Triple Take...   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 23, 2014, 08:08:08 PM
Game notes for Saturday.

http://cruathletics.com/documents/2014/10/23//Game_Notes_TLU_2014.pdf?id=828 (http://cruathletics.com/documents/2014/10/23//Game_Notes_TLU_2014.pdf?id=828)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 23, 2014, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Certainly a big game.  This is a great chance for TLU to measure up against the best program in the area.  I think it is interesting that no one mentions the fact that TLU has won 15 of its last 16 games.  That is no small feat.

On the ASC board, everyone wants to talk about whether TLU's offense can keep up.  No one mentions the other side of the ball where I think this game will be decided because TLU's offense is balanced and able to score against good defenses.  If TLU's defense plays like it did against Sul Ross, HSU, SWAGU, and HPU, then TLU has a real chance to win.  The defense even played a huge role in their comeback against ETBU.  Once ETBU went up 43-28, ETBU only had 1 first down on their next three possessions giving TLU's offense great field position to flip the score to 55- 43.  I am not familiar with UMHB's offense.  Looking at their scores, they appear to be very good.  But it is TLU's defense can hold UMHB to around 30, then TLU definitely has a chance to get a very big win.

TLU may have won 15 of 16 but like crufootball2001 said, it hasn't been against a top contender. I think UMHB is up to 58 out of 59 regular season wins. So for us to talk about TLU's streak when there is the lack of a power schedule isn't a hot topic for us.

If TLU's D holds the CRU to around 30, I would be very surprised. I've been waiting for this game since TLU went to the SCAC and played everyone in the ASC but UMHB. There's a growing tension and we may have a new Texas rivalry coming. But TLU has to show up and play like everyone down there thinks. It will be fun to see all the purple in the stands.

Isn't that the point I am making.  That TLU has a good streak going on here and the next step is competing with UMHB.  The implication being UMHB is the best program in the area. 

Not sure about the scheduling shot there either.  TLU's schedule went unchanged last season except that Southwestern (a startup SCAC program that TLU had to schedule) was added in place of the UMHB.  It is my understanding that the TLU-UMHB game was dropped because they couldn't get their two schedules to work.  From a costs perspective, it would have made more sense for TLU to travel to Belton last year instead of Mississippi College. That said, TLU and UMHB worked quickly to get this two year deal on the schedule.  And this "growing tension"???  Ok, you get tense. I will enjoy the game.

TLU02SA, I don't know where you are on the scene as far as freshman on campus or older gent coming new to the boards, but as I have been around since the inception of Cru football, knowing that we have handled the conference for a number of years now, to see McMurry, Mississippi College, and TLU leave after being handled for many years makes me think that they left because there was too much competition. Now, I know that there are fundamental positions that coincide with campus beliefs, but to me it also looks like a way to get out of Big Brother's shadow and create your own name which TLU has done. I believe the tension to be that of looking to prove that we are still the Big Brother. I believe/think/hope that we are. Should be fun!

I can't believe that McMurry, MC, and TLU changed conferences (divisions) because of UMHB football.  TLU plays 15 sports (men and women) besides football.  The needs and interest for those programs were certainly taken into account.  Further, if TLU was dead set on making the DIII football playoffs, then wouldn't it make more sense to stay in a conference with an AQ?  When TLU agreed to join the SCAC, they knew there would only be four teams and no AQ.  The theological alignment TLU has is closer to Trinity, Austin College, Southwestern, UD, Schreiner, and Centenary than to the Baptist schools in the ASC (I know there are 3 or 4 non-baptist schools in the ASC).

My comment on "growing tension" was made in jest.  Just trying to get the discussion going for the build up to Saturday. Anyways, I am looking forward to Saturday's game.  It is going to be a great game and TLU is going to impress.  This is easily the biggest game TLU has played since the program was reinstated in '98.  I know this because I was a freshman in '98. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 23, 2014, 10:03:19 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 09:40:24 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 23, 2014, 05:33:19 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: couchcru11 on October 23, 2014, 02:46:02 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 23, 2014, 11:58:49 AM
Certainly a big game.  This is a great chance for TLU to measure up against the best program in the area.  I think it is interesting that no one mentions the fact that TLU has won 15 of its last 16 games.  That is no small feat.

On the ASC board, everyone wants to talk about whether TLU's offense can keep up.  No one mentions the other side of the ball where I think this game will be decided because TLU's offense is balanced and able to score against good defenses.  If TLU's defense plays like it did against Sul Ross, HSU, SWAGU, and HPU, then TLU has a real chance to win.  The defense even played a huge role in their comeback against ETBU.  Once ETBU went up 43-28, ETBU only had 1 first down on their next three possessions giving TLU's offense great field position to flip the score to 55- 43.  I am not familiar with UMHB's offense.  Looking at their scores, they appear to be very good.  But it is TLU's defense can hold UMHB to around 30, then TLU definitely has a chance to get a very big win.

TLU may have won 15 of 16 but like crufootball2001 said, it hasn't been against a top contender. I think UMHB is up to 58 out of 59 regular season wins. So for us to talk about TLU's streak when there is the lack of a power schedule isn't a hot topic for us.

If TLU's D holds the CRU to around 30, I would be very surprised. I've been waiting for this game since TLU went to the SCAC and played everyone in the ASC but UMHB. There's a growing tension and we may have a new Texas rivalry coming. But TLU has to show up and play like everyone down there thinks. It will be fun to see all the purple in the stands.

Isn't that the point I am making.  That TLU has a good streak going on here and the next step is competing with UMHB.  The implication being UMHB is the best program in the area. 

Not sure about the scheduling shot there either.  TLU's schedule went unchanged last season except that Southwestern (a startup SCAC program that TLU had to schedule) was added in place of the UMHB.  It is my understanding that the TLU-UMHB game was dropped because they couldn't get their two schedules to work.  From a costs perspective, it would have made more sense for TLU to travel to Belton last year instead of Mississippi College. That said, TLU and UMHB worked quickly to get this two year deal on the schedule.  And this "growing tension"???  Ok, you get tense. I will enjoy the game.

TLU02SA, I don't know where you are on the scene as far as freshman on campus or older gent coming new to the boards, but as I have been around since the inception of Cru football, knowing that we have handled the conference for a number of years now, to see McMurry, Mississippi College, and TLU leave after being handled for many years makes me think that they left because there was too much competition. Now, I know that there are fundamental positions that coincide with campus beliefs, but to me it also looks like a way to get out of Big Brother's shadow and create your own name which TLU has done. I believe the tension to be that of looking to prove that we are still the Big Brother. I believe/think/hope that we are. Should be fun!

I can't believe that McMurry, MC, and TLU changed conferences (divisions) because of UMHB football.  TLU plays 15 sports (men and women) besides football.  The needs and interest for those programs were certainly taken into account.  Further, if TLU was dead set on making the DIII football playoffs, then wouldn't it make more sense to stay in a conference with an AQ?  When TLU agreed to join the SCAC, they knew there would only be four teams and no AQ.  The theological alignment TLU has is closer to Trinity, Austin College, Southwestern, UD, Schreiner, and Centenary than to the Baptist schools in the ASC (I know there are 3 or 4 non-baptist schools in the ASC).

My comment on "growing tension" was made in jest.  Just trying to get the discussion going for the build up to Saturday. Anyways, I am looking forward to Saturday's game.  It is going to be a great game and TLU is going to impress.  This is easily the biggest game TLU has played since the program was reinstated in '98.  I know this because I was a freshman in '98.

I know. That's why I said it also looked like a way to get out of zither conference. SCAC has been looking for members to have the AQ though as well.

I plan on leaving Belton around 9:30 to get down there by 11:30 to get my tickets at will call. I'd love to meet some fellow D3 fans. Best place for BBQ in Seguin?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 23, 2014, 10:39:46 PM
We're driving over tomorrow afternoon. I would be open to meeting for lunch. My only concern is will there be a line forming prior to the gates opening at 12:00?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tekken on October 23, 2014, 11:52:28 PM
I find it very telling that many of you are even questioning that there is more than one outcome (UMHB victory) in this game.  This kind of belabors the point I was trying to make a week or so ago.  It seems that everyone who knows anything about anyone in division III football recognizes there are a few "super elite" teams (UMHB inclusive) followed by a large drop off of several "elite" teams.  Yet, TLU is not considered in that elite level, as evidenced by the voters.  On the flip side of the coin, however, here we are talking about TLU having a legitimate chance of competing with and/or defeating UMHB.  If this truly is the sentiment, how do you justify TLU's lack of ranking nationally? 

Obviously a win changes everything immediately.  But what if TLU competed and lost by, say 14, would that actually increase perception of their ranking in voters' minds?


As for TLU running from UMHB, take your tin foil hat off.  I'm sure it was acknowledged before, and a nice perk of the move, however there are way too many bigger factors to consider than not having to play UMHB in a strategic move like that.

To the BBQ question, there isn't a local standout that anyone falls on the sword in defense of.  Cooper's in New Braunfels (20 mins) has a pretty solid reputation.  If you want to try local BBQ flavor I would without question say the place to go is  "Johnny's BBQ" on Business 123.  However, if you are willing to look beyond bbq and towards catfish, you can't go wrong with Clear Springs Cafe, on 46 between Seguin and New Braunfels.  This would be my personal recommendation.  Get the onion rings appetizer to go with your fried catfish.  (Bring your stomach).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on October 23, 2014, 11:56:28 PM
Quote from: timtlu on October 23, 2014, 11:52:28 PMObviously a win changes everything immediately.  But what if TLU competed and lost by, say 14, would that actually increase perception of their ranking in voters' minds?

Anyone who wants to know the answer to this question should listen to last Monday's podcast. Or just observe how our voters have voted over the past decade. Plenty of precedent.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 24, 2014, 09:29:21 AM
Quote from: timtlu on October 23, 2014, 11:52:28 PM
On the flip side of the coin, however, here we are talking about TLU having a legitimate chance of competing with and/or defeating UMHB.  If this truly is the sentiment, how do you justify TLU's lack of ranking nationally? 

Obviously a win changes everything immediately.  But what if TLU competed and lost by, say 14, would that actually increase perception of their ranking in voters' minds?


I don't think there are too many neutral observers who think TLU stands very much of a chance. Within 14? Maybe. The game is at home and if UMHB is up by 17 or 21 in the fourth I could see backups getting scored on late. But I don't think too many people not associated with either program would take TLU with UMHB giving 14.

Could we all be surprised? Of course. But TLU really hasn't done anything to make people believe they can compete at that level. TLU hasn't faced a real playoff caliber team over their run. They won some close games against some mediocre teams in 2013, Trinity (5-5) by 4, MC (4-6) by 3, and got creamed by HSU (4-6) by 29. They did beat 7-3 LC by a couple, and that is where TLU is hanging their hat. This year TLU is looking better, only ETBU (3-3) and LC (2-4 on a BRUTAL schedule) have come within a TD, but there still isn't much of a signature win.

So lets look at the other teams in the bottom of the Top 25. Most have 1 loss, so it looks like TLU should be ahead. But Chapman lost to an elite Linfield by 7, H-SC lost to a top 10 Wabash by 13, Del Val is undefeated with wins over Lycoming and Montclair State (both 5-1), St. Thomas lost to ranked St. Johns by 10, St. Johns lost to ranked Concordia-Moorhead by 9, Concordia-Moorhead lost to top 11 Bethel by 10, and UW-SP who lost to ranked UW-P beat ranked NCC by 7.

If you take off your TLU blinders, TLU doesn't have anything to justify moving over teams that have all played someone important, and either won or played them tough. Now at some point the MIAC trio will bathe each other in blood and so will the UWW trio. That may open up room for TLU, if they play UMHB well and win the games they are supposed to win. Or any of the other close to the bottom teams could lose, opening up space for essentially number 26 TLU. But there just isn't a reason right now to move TLU into that grouping, and certainly not into the SJF, Witt, Bethel, Wabash, JHU, Hobart tier.

TLU has won 15 of 16? SJF ran to the final 8 last year. Witt is 25-5 in the last 3 years. Of those 5 loses, 2 are to D1 Butler, 2 are playoff loses, and one was to a ranked Wabash team. Bethel is 26-5. Of those loses, 2 are playoff loses, one was to national runner-up St. Thomas in conference, one was to a 7-3 St. Olaf team, and one is to the currently ranked Wartburg team. Wabash is 23-3. Two of those loses aren't great, one was to playoff team Witt last year. This year they own a win over currently ranked H-SC. Over the last four seasons, JHU is 36-4. 3 of those loses came in the playoffs, one to a 7-4 F&M team. Hobart over the last 3 seasons is 28-2. Both loses came in the playoffs.

What's the point of all this data? 16-1 with no playoff caliber teams on the schedule is not going to get you up a few tiers. There are a bunch of teams that have similar outcomes including playoff caliber teams.

TLU is doing well. They have come a long way from the 2007-2012 teams that couldn't break .500. But the proof is in winning big games, something TLU over the last season and a half hasn't played. This weekend is a big game for TLU. Give UMHB a good run for their money and you'll enter the Top 25 eventually (if the Bulldogs keep winning). Get blown out and you still have nothing to hang your hat on.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on October 24, 2014, 09:53:57 AM
jknezek a good analysis, and I think many in the Cru-Nation would agree, one concern I think some in the nation have is getting complacent on the UMHB side, gotta stay frosty even though we are confident in the game. When we hit pool play things can change in a heartbeat, 15-16 still stings....A spritied TLU coming out hard like they did in the second half of TLU/ETBU could shake things up
But at the same time I do hope to see programs out there get better, develop and become a force in the south, Louisiana like you mentioned had a brutal schedule but has taken it well, and I hope that Coach Dunn sharpens that edge there for the rest of this season and the next to come. I'd love to see UMHB/TLU continue a good healthy rivalry and the meetings become a fan favorite (Evey UMHB game for me is a fan fav  :D) I personally am giddy for this game, and already planning next years trip to the Cruthedral to see UMHB/TLU there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 24, 2014, 10:15:11 AM
I agree completely. If I was a UMHB fan I wouldn't have posted it. Wouldn't want to jinx it. But... for those of us without a dog in the fight inside 20 points will be surprising. Of course we've all been surprised before.

And I'm not implying that TLU at essentially 26 is over-rated. I think they are about where they should be. They are doing good things and playing good football. But those of us who have been around D3 and the boards for a while know the score when it comes to the elite teams and everyone else.

UWW has lost 4 regular season games in 10 seasons. UMU has lost 0 regular season games in 10 seasons. UMHB has lost 6 regular season games in 10 seasons, none since 2009. Linfield has lost 1 regular season game since the 2008 season. Wesley has lost 6 regular season games in 9 seasons.

It is a very rare event for these teams to lose in the regular season. TLU fans have reason to be excited, but the rest of us have reasons to be very, very skeptical.

FYI -- I think UMHB has had 3 games in the last 3 regular seasons inside 14 points. None so far this year, an 11 point win over LC in 2013, a 7 point win over Wesley and a 13 point win over HSU in 2012. Yeah, only one single possession regular season game in 2.5 regular seasons. Will TLU add to that? We will see.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tekken on October 24, 2014, 10:48:15 AM
I think you might be misconstruing my intent a little.  Trust me, there are no blinders on here.  I'm not currently, nor have I yet, proclaimed TLU "should" be ranked much higher.  I understand and agree with almost every point you make.  If it truly the case that TLU is a 20 - 30 ranked caliber team, then the game this weekend should be no contest (ie. 24 points).  And if it is a no contest (ie. 24 points), how much should they really fall in the rankings?  A blowout again (which I think is still a possibility) would obviously change everything.  Yet it seems many here think there is a good chance TLU competes with or even challenges UMHB for a victory (something I also see as a distinct possibility).  If that's the case, they are more accurately a 5 - 12 ranked team I would think.

Assuming they lose by 24 this weekend, they probably won't sniff the top 25 until maybe season's end, based on the "who have they beaten" argument, though they may be a 15th ranked caliber team in actuality.  There's no way to know.  That raises my previous question, because TLU has indeed beaten everyone else (on the road, at that) geographically.  Given the current landscape of division III football in the south, without traveling to Chicago, California, Oregon, Delaware, etc. is there really any chance of them ever making that jump from ranked 20 - 30 to 12 - 20 without playing UMHB tight and/or winning?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 24, 2014, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: timtlu on October 24, 2014, 10:48:15 AM
Given the current landscape of division III football in the south, without traveling to Chicago, California, Oregon, Delaware, etc. is there really any chance of them ever making that jump from ranked 20 - 30 to 12 - 20 without playing UMHB tight and/or winning?

The answer is yes. The solution is making the playoffs. If TLU hadn't gotten shellacked by a mediocre at best HSU team last year they would have had a chance to prove they belong. An undefeated TLU probably earns a "B" last year. But they didn't. So the reason they haven't had top tier competition is because they didn't play any last year. That is a function of not playing UMHB and a truly bad loss costing them the chance to really prove themselves. This year they have the chance to rectify those problems. It will be interesting to see if they take it. Don't get creamed Saturday and win out and there is probably a decent chance of getting that second B. U of Chicago and possibly the MASCAC champion are the main competition for it. MASCAC depending on their A/B status. U of Chicago lost by 31 to a very good Bethel team. Do better than that against UMHB and TLU might be in the running.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 24, 2014, 11:18:55 AM
I think TLU losing by only 24 would exceed expectations.  More interesting to me than the score margin is whether or not TLU can not give up 60 or 70 in a big game against a really good team.  As long as that continues to be a thing that happens, TLU can't reasonably expect poll recognition. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 25, 2014, 05:08:03 PM
A really tough day for the Bulldogs.  I am still proud of them.  They need to regroup for Trinity next week and finish this season off strong.  Congrats to the Cru and TLU will regroup and try again next year at the temple in Belton.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
UMHB is just really, really, REALLY good.    Reminds me of the time I saw Mt Union play Trinity in the Stagg Bowl back in the day, you just don't know how good they are until you see them in person.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 25, 2014, 05:44:24 PM
Ron, you are right.  I really thought TLU's offense would be better today.  I was concerned about the defense but I thought the offense would keep it close throughout the game.  I was wrong.  TLU, to get to where they (the coaches and players) and we (the alumni and fans) want them go, are going to have to go through some growing pains.  Today was definitely a lesson type of day.  Still looking forward to the SCAC match ups this year and have a lot of confidence that this TLU team will finish the season out strong.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 25, 2014, 06:39:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
UMHB is just really, really, REALLY good.    Reminds me of the time I saw Mt Union play Trinity in the Stagg Bowl back in the day, you just don't know how good they are until you see them in person.
Did you go today?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 25, 2014, 08:24:35 PM
UMHB still the best. What a show of dominance!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 25, 2014, 10:10:20 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 25, 2014, 05:08:03 PM
A really tough day for the Bulldogs.  I am still proud of them.  They need to regroup for Trinity next week and finish this season off strong.  Congrats to the Cru and TLU will regroup and try again next year at the temple in Belton.

The CRUthedral welcomes you!

TLU has some great guys on the line both sides of the ball. What they accomplished is something special, and they are growing. When I first saw Whitewater, I couldn't believe how big they were, how fast to the ball. They were just that good.

Good luck the rest of the way.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2014, 11:08:28 PM
Quote from: Toby Taff on October 25, 2014, 06:39:59 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 25, 2014, 05:33:31 PM
UMHB is just really, really, REALLY good.    Reminds me of the time I saw Mt Union play Trinity in the Stagg Bowl back in the day, you just don't know how good they are until you see them in person.
Did you go today?

Naw, Toby, the spanking I saw last year in Belton was enough for me.    :-\
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 26, 2014, 09:57:49 AM
Continued success to TLU the remainder of the season. UMHB will roll out the purple carpet when you visit the CRUthedral next year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 26, 2014, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on October 26, 2014, 09:57:49 AM

...........
UMHB will roll out the purple carpet when you visit the CRUthedral next year.

Does that mean you will score more than you did yesterday?  Or less?  :)

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 26, 2014, 04:21:53 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 26, 2014, 04:20:49 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on October 26, 2014, 09:57:49 AM

...........
UMHB will roll out the purple carpet when you visit the CRUthedral next year.

Does that mean you will score more than you did yesterday?  Or less?  :)

If I was a betting man, I'd take the under.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 26, 2014, 04:33:30 PM
It means we'll be hospitable to the TLU fans.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 26, 2014, 04:38:01 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on October 26, 2014, 04:33:30 PM
It means we'll be hospitable to the TLU fans.  ;D

But not, perhaps, to the team?  ;D   ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on October 26, 2014, 05:15:57 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 26, 2014, 04:38:01 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on October 26, 2014, 04:33:30 PM
It means we'll be hospitable to the TLU fans.  ;D

But not, perhaps, to the team?  ;D   ;)

In the words of Coach Pete on his radio show prior to the this weekends game "I love those guys (referring to the former UMHB players and coaches now at TLU), just not on Saturday."

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 26, 2014, 05:20:55 PM
 8-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on October 27, 2014, 05:38:38 PM
Hello,

I had a question for the TLU faithful on this board about the next phase of the football stadium. I went and looked at the phase 2 renderings that are on the TLU website and am looking for some confirmation. On the visitors side, there appears to be a large screen which I assume would be for replays, advertisements, etc. and no visitors seats. Is that correct or am I reading it wrong?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 27, 2014, 09:42:14 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 27, 2014, 05:38:38 PM
Hello,

I had a question for the TLU faithful on this board about the next phase of the football stadium. I went and looked at the phase 2 renderings that are on the TLU website and am looking for some confirmation. On the visitors side, there appears to be a large screen which I assume would be for replays, advertisements, etc. and no visitors seats. Is that correct or am I reading it wrong?

It looks that way to me also.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 28, 2014, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 27, 2014, 05:38:38 PM
Hello,

I had a question for the TLU faithful on this board about the next phase of the football stadium. I went and looked at the phase 2 renderings that are on the TLU website and am looking for some confirmation. On the visitors side, there appears to be a large screen which I assume would be for replays, advertisements, etc. and no visitors seats. Is that correct or am I reading it wrong?

There have been numerous drawings floating around for the past several years.  They are pretty consistent on the home side with permanent seating for about 3500.  The visitor side has been inconsistent with some drawings showing stands while others have a video screen.  The most recent, which was set up at the home entrance for last weekend's game, shows stands on the visitor side that are larger than what is currently there. Here is a link:  https://www.facebook.com/tlubulldogs/photos/pb.214010705277957.-2207520000.1414532648./879907932021561/?type=3&theater.  The berm on the south end of the field (to the left of those who were sitting on the visitor side last weeked) will eventually be leveled for a new fieldhouse.  The stadium will not be as grand as Crusader stadium but it will be a really nice (and intimate) facility once Phase II is completed.  Really, Phase I was build the new softball field, which used to sit where stadium is, and get the football field and track ready to host games and meets this fall and coming spring.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on October 28, 2014, 07:28:38 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 28, 2014, 05:50:08 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 27, 2014, 05:38:38 PM
Hello,

I had a question for the TLU faithful on this board about the next phase of the football stadium. I went and looked at the phase 2 renderings that are on the TLU website and am looking for some confirmation. On the visitors side, there appears to be a large screen which I assume would be for replays, advertisements, etc. and no visitors seats. Is that correct or am I reading it wrong?

There have been numerous drawings floating around for the past several years.  They are pretty consistent on the home side with permanent seating for about 3500.  The visitor side has been inconsistent with some drawings showing stands while others have a video screen.  The most recent, which was set up at the home entrance for last weekend's game, shows stands on the visitor side that are larger than what is currently there. Here is a link:  https://www.facebook.com/tlubulldogs/photos/pb.214010705277957.-2207520000.1414532648./879907932021561/?type=3&theater.  The berm on the south end of the field (to the left of those who were sitting on the visitor side last weeked) will eventually be leveled for a new fieldhouse.  The stadium will not be as grand as Crusader stadium but it will be a really nice (and intimate) facility once Phase II is completed.  Really, Phase I was build the new softball field, which used to sit where stadium is, and get the football field and track ready to host games and meets this fall and coming spring.

Thanks for the information. I will say that I was impressed with the current Bulldog Stadium, had a nice game day experience and the actual field was very nice.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 30, 2014, 10:42:05 PM
SCAC play starts this weekend.  Being TLU alum, I am obviously interested in the Trinity v. TLU game this weekend. Should be an interesting game due to the let downs both programs have coming in.  Not a typical Trinity season and TLU is disappointed by their showing last weekend.  This game can be a real season changer for both sides.  I hope TLU puts last week behind, shows up with the energy and confidence they have shown for the rest of the year and plays four solid quarters.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 31, 2014, 10:09:46 AM
TLU by at least 2 TD's!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2014, 10:55:27 AM
As much as I would like to disagree, I can't.   The Trinity offense will be hard-pressed to keep up with TLU, and the fact that the Bulldogs want to make up for last week's poor showing and will be at home makes the task all the more difficult.    Trinity does have the week off it its favor, but TLU has to be considered a solid favorite tomorrow.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on October 31, 2014, 11:13:23 AM
I would say TLU by considerable TD's.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2014, 05:37:39 PM
Trinity's best overall performance of the season - gutsy play but fell to TLU 34-27.     
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 01, 2014, 07:39:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2014, 05:37:39 PM
Trinity's best overall performance of the season - gutsy play but fell to TLU 34-27.     

Great game!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 01, 2014, 07:53:35 PM
The winner of next week's AC/TLU game in Sherman is guaranteed at least a share of the SCAC crown.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 01, 2014, 08:18:47 PM
Wow.. I have to stand corrected... Trinity apparently came alive bigtime! (apparently because I did not see the game) good for them!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 01, 2014, 09:29:15 PM
Glad to see TLU bounce back this week.  Trinity had a great game plan and executed it well.  I thought Trinity's defense was very good today.  It was a hard fought game and I am glad TLU was able to pull it out. Another tough game in Sherman next week.  Austin College has quietly put together a very good season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 01, 2014, 09:38:19 PM
Second post.  I was really concerned about TLU's psyche coming into this game.  Trinity had a great game plan against TLU. TLU showed great resilience and won a tough game.  Hopefully, they carry that forward next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 05, 2014, 06:59:21 PM
Great position for TLU in the regional rankings! Win out!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 06, 2014, 10:42:55 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 05, 2014, 06:59:21 PM
Great position for TLU in the regional rankings! Win out!

Absolutely! I am a little concerned about this weekend's game against Austin College.  AC has quietly put together a good season and the game is in Sherman.  If TLU comes focused and plays to their potential, TLU should win.  TLU's offense has struggled the past couple of weeks. UMHB and Trinity both kept linebackers keying on Barrolle and TLU hasn't figured out how to effectively counter that strategy. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 07, 2014, 10:09:03 PM
Looking forward to the TLU-AC tomorrow.  Can't make the game but will be watching on TLU's webcast. I expect AC will bring their best. Go Bulldogs!!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on November 07, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
I will be at the game. Go Bulldogs Turn the Dogs lose.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 07, 2014, 10:48:39 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 07, 2014, 10:25:52 PM
I will be at the game. Go Bulldogs Turn the Dogs lose.

Alright!!! Give them hell!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 08, 2014, 03:28:29 PM
Half time at Sherman and AC leads TLU 14-9. I have not posted much about my Roos this year but now seems like a good time.  Coach Dawson has quietly changed the atmosphere at AC and the Roos are playing well.  Regardless of how the game finishes, I am proud of how my alma mater has shown such a great spirit and effort this year. I support the Roo nation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 08, 2014, 04:57:56 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 08, 2014, 03:28:29 PM
Half time at Sherman and AC leads TLU 14-9. I have not posted much about my Roos this year but now seems like a good time.  Coach Dawson has quietly changed the atmosphere at AC and the Roos are playing well.  Regardless of how the game finishes, I am proud of how my alma mater has shown such a great spirit and effort this year. I support the Roo nation.

A great game between TLU and AC today.  TLU pulled off a hard fought win against a very good 'Roos team.  AC has had a great season this year.  Good luck to the 'Roos against Trinity next week.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 08, 2014, 09:09:17 PM
That was a well played game. Shows how far AC has come with this senior class, considering some of the scores against TLU over the past couple seasons.

I'll be honest - I wanted to see the 'Roos enter the fourth quarter with a chance to win. That's what happened. It would have been amazing to get the W, but getting to that point, against a nationally ranked team (and the 'Roos absolutely looked like they belonged, there was nothing flukey about it) is a great accomplishment for a program that was 0-10 as recently as 2011.

Hats off to Madison Ross, who continues to put up big numbers for the 'Roos. Up to 6.5 yards per carry and 9 TD, and closing in on the 1000 yard mark for the season. Hope he gets there next week against a rapidly improving Trinity squad!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 08, 2014, 09:41:23 PM
Quote from: jekelish on November 08, 2014, 09:09:17 PM
That was a well played game. Shows how far AC has come with this senior class, considering some of the scores against TLU over the past couple seasons.

I'll be honest - I wanted to see the 'Roos enter the fourth quarter with a chance to win. That's what happened. It would have been amazing to get the W, but getting to that point, against a nationally ranked team (and the 'Roos absolutely looked like they belonged, there was nothing flukey about it) is a great accomplishment for a program that was 0-10 as recently as 2011.

Hats off to Madison Ross, who continues to put up big numbers for the 'Roos. Up to 6.5 yards per carry and 9 TD, and closing in on the 1000 yard mark for the season. Hope he gets there next week against a rapidly improving Trinity squad!

I think AC has been underrated this year.  I watched the TLU-AC game in Seguin last year and, although the score did not reflect it, I thought AC looked like a real good team.  I completely expected today's game to be a tough one between the Bulldogs and the Roos.  Because I am TLU alum, I am happy with the outcome but I thought AC was a formidable squad.  Look forward to future match ups.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 08, 2014, 11:02:45 PM
Looks like they're starting to figure some things out in San Antonio.    On their opponent's homecoming, Trinity overcame five turnovers (sigh) to defeat Southwestern 38-18.   The Pirates scored a TD with no time on the clock after a penalty, otherwise the gap would have been even larger.   Jeremy Simmons had 215 yards and a TD on 24 carries, Desmond King scored on a 90-yard kick return, and the Tiger defense held Southwestern under 30 yards rushing, forcing four fumbles (and recovering three) in the process.   Should be a good game against Austin next week, especially if the guys can hold on to the ball. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on November 11, 2014, 04:44:57 PM
Congrats to Ethan Powell of TLU for making the D3 football TOW DE. The only person from the SCAC. Way to go Ethan proud of you.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 12, 2014, 08:55:08 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 11, 2014, 04:44:57 PM
Congrats to Ethan Powell of TLU for making the D3 football TOW DE. The only person from the SCAC. Way to go Ethan proud of you.

It was well deserved. He played a great game on Saturday. He has a great season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 12, 2014, 10:03:06 PM
A little surprised on the regional rankings.  I don't understand how Centre fell when they shut-out their opponent last week.  I am not complaining because TLU benefits. Just surprised.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 13, 2014, 12:48:32 PM
Trinity University finally released an artists rendition of their planned stadium upgrade. As a former player, I can't tell you how long I have been waiting for this to finally happen. For such a storied program, the Tigers played in a stadium that did not support their success for a very long time. Although it won't be on par with the UMHB palace, the pictures look great and I think it will vastly help with their recruiting going forward.

Facilities has always been a difficult sell for recruits (on top of the massive tuition of course). So far the only link is through the TigerPaws Facebook page which I have listed below - If for whatever reason y'all can't access it let me know and I will save and upload the picture myself.

https://www.facebook.com/218829991497228/photos/a.682289678484588.1073741826.218829991497228/785144261532462/?type=1
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 13, 2014, 01:50:14 PM
Nice... Good to see that
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2014, 05:10:29 PM
Exciting - the kids have deserved something like this for many years.    Better get the wallet out ...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 13, 2014, 07:05:32 PM
It can be very helpful in recruitment as well, not that it is required, but it does send an impression to parents and players that there is a value here.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 14, 2014, 01:55:06 PM
Looks similar to what is going up at TLU. Wonder if they had the same designer. I saw the same thing with UMHB and Baylor as they had the same designer. Although on a MUCH smaller scale, there are some qualities about UMHB that are similar to Mclane Stadium.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 15, 2014, 05:15:00 PM
Congrats to the Bulldogs on back to back 9-1 seasons and SCAC championships.  We will see what the national committee does on Sunday.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2014, 07:15:33 PM
Congrats TLU on your second consecutive SCAC championship and good luck with the committee tomorrow.

A good end to the season for my Tigers as they totally dominated Austin 41-0 to close out the season.   Only 15 seniors, a couple of which may have a medical redshirt year, will graduate so looking like Trinity may be able to get back in the SCAC picture next season.   Key losses will be WR/P/KR/baller Matt Kennemer and DB Jai Boatman. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 15, 2014, 07:27:38 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2014, 07:15:33 PM

A good end to the season for my Tigers as they totally dominated Austin 41-0 to close out the season.   Only 15 seniors, a couple of which may have a medical redshirt year, will graduate so looking like Trinity may be able to get back in the SCAC picture next season.   Key losses will be WR/P/KR/baller Matt Kennemer and DB Jai Boatman.

Congrats to both the Tigers and you, Ron.  I  hoped my Roos could pull off another win like last year but it was not meant to be.  Now we must both work harder to get within reach of TLU!!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 15, 2014, 09:17:49 PM
I didn't expect that kind of result, Roocru.   AC has definitely been on the upswing this season.   Y'all are going to miss Noah Jesko.   Here's to everyone giving TLU more competition next season!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on November 16, 2014, 06:14:44 PM
Congrats to TLU for their first ever NCAA playoff berth.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: couchcru11 on November 16, 2014, 06:28:16 PM
rematch in Belton. should be exciting.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 16, 2014, 06:43:19 PM
We will roll out the purple carpet to welcome the TLU fans to The CRUthedral. However, I don't think the hospitality will be extended to the Bulldogs on the field. I hope to see lots of black and gold in the visitors section.

I expect the final score to be a little closer than the first game, but not close enough to keep The CRU from advancing.  ;D

Safe travels.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 16, 2014, 06:44:41 PM
Congrats to TLU.  Looking forward to the rematch in Belton next week.  I hope TLU makes it a closer game this time around.  If my schedule permits, I am going to make the trip to Belton.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tekken on November 16, 2014, 06:53:43 PM
Kelly - I hope to see as many black and gold in Belton as purple were in Seguin last month, but I'm not sure that will happen.  TLU has a decently large hard-core contingency of parent/family fan support that travel literally everywhere, but the University as a whole and especially the community support is not near the same level as things are in Belton.  The trip to Trinity with WBB last year started to change that a little bit, so hopefully this playoff appearance on their heels can continue that trajectory.  It's unfortunate it has to be UMHB every year (I understand the finances of it all, it just stinks), as I think a playoff run a couple rounds deep could really change some things around Seguin (Yes possible, but not very probable).  Maybe a trend of multiple playoff appearances can do the same.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 16, 2014, 06:55:10 PM
Congrats to TLU.  Hope to see some of you guys in Belton on Saturday!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 17, 2014, 12:58:01 AM
Quote from: timtlu on November 16, 2014, 06:53:43 PM
Kelly - I hope to see as many black and gold in Belton as purple were in Seguin last month, but I'm not sure that will happen.  TLU has a decently large hard-core contingency of parent/family fan support that travel literally everywhere, but the University as a whole and especially the community support is not near the same level as things are in Belton.  The trip to Trinity with WBB last year started to change that a little bit, so hopefully this playoff appearance on their heels can continue that trajectory.  It's unfortunate it has to be UMHB every year (I understand the finances of it all, it just stinks), as I think a playoff run a couple rounds deep could really change some things around Seguin (Yes possible, but not very probable).  Maybe a trend of multiple playoff appearances can do the same.
come one come all, the Cruthedral can hold near 10k with SRO.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 17, 2014, 05:36:23 PM
Looking forward to the rematch.

Can the OLine create space for Barrolle like they did the first play of the game? Can they give the QB time? It sounds crazy, but I believe Teidrick Smith has stepped his game up radically the last few weeks. He is our JJ Watt.

Will the Cru play with the same intensity, and will the fans show up?

Going to get my tickets now. C Ya!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on November 17, 2014, 05:37:23 PM
Congrats TLU.Let the Dogs out. Go Bulldogs.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 18, 2014, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 17, 2014, 05:37:23 PM
Congrats TLU.Let the Dogs out. Go Bulldogs.

I have always believed that it is more difficult to beat the same team twice in one season in football than any other sport.  TLU has a real advantage this Saturday.  No one is expecting them to win, including UMHB. TLU has been awesome on the road this year.  Go Bulldogs Go.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 18, 2014, 11:21:10 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on November 18, 2014, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 17, 2014, 05:37:23 PM
Congrats TLU.Let the Dogs out. Go Bulldogs.

I have always believed that it is more difficult to beat the same team twice in one season in football than any other sport.  TLU has a real advantage this Saturday.  No one is expecting them to win, including UMHB. TLU has been awesome on the road this year.  Go Bulldogs Go.

Awesome on the road is one thing, awesome on the road against UMHB is another. I believe the score will be closer longer, but in the end, UMHB will win by at least 3 TD's.

The McMurry team their last season in the ASC was a really good team. The regular season game came down to an Int for UMHB at the goal line to win the game. The second matchup in the post season wasn't close. This game will be no different.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3AlumniParent on November 18, 2014, 11:26:07 PM
Humility is a virtue.

That said, Go TLU!  ;)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on November 18, 2014, 11:29:55 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 18, 2014, 11:21:10 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on November 18, 2014, 10:01:27 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 17, 2014, 05:37:23 PM
Congrats TLU.Let the Dogs out. Go Bulldogs.

I have always believed that it is more difficult to beat the same team twice in one season in football than any other sport.  TLU has a real advantage this Saturday.  No one is expecting them to win, including UMHB. TLU has been awesome on the road this year.  Go Bulldogs Go.

Awesome on the road is one thing, awesome on the road against UMHB is another. I believe the score will be closer longer, but in the end, UMHB will win by at least 3 TD's.

The McMurry team their last season in the ASC was a really good team. The regular season game came down to an Int for UMHB at the goal line to win the game. The second matchup in the post season wasn't close. This game will be no different.
i'll second Chads comments. On then road is none thing, in the Cruthedral is another completely. I expect the defense will be cranked up again and want to prove game one was the norm not the exception.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 18, 2014, 11:35:18 PM
UMHB has beat the same team twice in the same season multiple times.

2006
Regular season: UMHB 28 HSU 16
Playoffs: UMHB 33 HSU 21

2008
Regular season: UMHB 20 HSU 18
Playoffs: UMHB 38 HSU 35

2011
Regular season: UMHB 28 McMurry 27
Playoffs: UMHB 49 McMurry 20

2012
Regular season: UMHB 32 Wesley 25
Playoffs: UMHB 32 Wesley 20
Regular season: UMHB 30 LC 3
Playoffs: UMHB 59 LC 20

2013
Regular season: UMHB 31 Redlands 13
Playoffs: UMHB 35 Redlands 7

The only time UMHB did not fare well playing a team twice in the same season was in 2007. UWW beat The CRU in Wisconsin during the regular season 41-14. In the semi-finals UMHB again traveled to UWW and lost (in the bitter cold) to the Warhawks 16-7.

The CRU has a pretty good track record when playing a team for a second time in the playoffs. Not only that, but in every second meeting UMHB showed an improvement over the first game. Just some food for thought.  8-)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 18, 2014, 11:37:59 PM
TLU has never played on the road in a venue like The CRUthedral.  ;D
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 19, 2014, 08:04:43 AM
Quote from: D3AlumniParent on November 18, 2014, 11:26:07 PM
Humility is a virtue.

That said, Go TLU!  ;)

Agreed. And please don't think I'm being arrogant. Anything can happen, that's why the games are played. I'm just trying to help you understand the picture of D3 football.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 20, 2014, 04:03:36 PM
Hot off the press - the 2014 All-SCAC Football Team:

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/all_scac (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/all_scac)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 22, 2014, 05:11:39 AM
i think TLU is going to catch a break with the crowd today. I was on the UMHB campus much of the day on Friday and I kept hearing the weather (which is predicted to be pretty bad) + the results of the first game (a total beat-down) = a lot of no shows for Saturday. So, the Bulldogs may not feel the full effect of The CRUthedral. I do, however, think the weather is the most significant factor. The UMHB game day expereince is so good that most fans would have showed even for a team The CRU had previously beaten by a wide margin.

UP with the PURPLE!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 22, 2014, 08:03:22 PM
Weather has certainly played a factor.  TLU-UMHB can't even finish the first half.  They got restarted around 6:45 pm but, after TLU picked up two more first downs, another lightning strike has caused further delays.  Like the way TLU's offense is playing though.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Caveman # 95 on November 22, 2014, 10:07:18 PM
Cru and TLU fans...can someone update us on what's going on down there? Will game resume tonight?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 22, 2014, 10:12:40 PM
As of 9 there is still a delay rumor is that if nothing by 10:30 they will meet to figure out what to do...
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 22, 2014, 10:15:46 PM
Quote from: Morrgen on November 22, 2014, 10:12:40 PM
As of 9 there is still a delay rumor is that if nothing by 10:30 they will meet to figure out what to do...

That is correct.  Regardless of whether football is played tonight, it will be a late night.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 22, 2014, 10:35:10 PM
Game called until 11:30 tomorrow morning.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 23, 2014, 03:27:46 PM
Hats off to TLU on a hard fought game. Coach Padron had a good game plan and the Bulldogs executed it well. The CRU is fortunate to be advancing. I look forward to TLU's return trip to The CRUthedral next season.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 23, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
Nothing but love for TLU, their coaches, and players. The gameplan was worked to a T, and you have to feel great about next season even with the loss.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tekken on November 23, 2014, 04:14:27 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 23, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
Nothing but love for TLU, their coaches, and players. The gameplan was worked to a T, and you have to feel great about next season even with the loss.

Hopefully with another couple close games a bigger rivalry can take flight.  I would think after today's game both fan bases will be well represented in Belton next year.  With the toll road connecting the two schools it'd be nice to develop a rivalry akin to some of the east coast tilts out there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 23, 2014, 04:18:33 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 23, 2014, 03:53:14 PM
Nothing but love for TLU, their coaches, and players. The gameplan was worked to a T, and you have to feel great about next season even with the loss.

I am real proud of the Bulldogs today.  They had a great game plan and played it, almost, to perfection.  I am sure Trenton White would like to have a couple of throws back. 

Good luck to UMHB going forward.  I know on the ASC board there will be a lot of complaints about UMHB's defense but I was really impressed by them.  They were on the field for what felt like 2/3 of the game.  Barrole was awesome but he could never quite break open that long touchdown run.  Despite Barrole having 250 or so yards, UMHB's defense did a great job of preventing him from breaking one to the house.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 23, 2014, 04:19:50 PM
The Toil on the Toll
Battle on the 130
Chisholm Trail Tilt

Needs a catchy moniker!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 23, 2014, 04:26:58 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on November 23, 2014, 04:19:50 PM
The Toil on the Toll
Battle on the 130
Chisholm Trail Tilt

Needs a catchy moniker!

Let it play out.  If it is meant to be, a name will arise.  Can't wait for next years game at Belton.

Also, TLU's defense did a fantastic job today. By far the best game they played all year.  When you think about, the difference in the game was the punt return for TD.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 23, 2014, 04:27:32 PM
I really hope TLU remains successful and both teams do develop a rivalry.  I wanted to share a quick story from this weekend.

On Saturday, well, mother nature was a beast.  For those of you who who were at the game, you probably headed over into the Bawcom SUB to wait out the delay(s).  My wife and I were in there as well, and we had a chance to meet several TLU fans.  One of the things that really impressed me was your mascot.  He was wandering around and hanging out with the both fanbases.  That's not unusual in an of itself, but he was also very accommodating towards many of the younger Cru fans in attendance.  I was up on the third floor for a bit and there were about 4 or 5 young girls with their parents.  They all had UMHB gear on (a few were dressed as little cheerleaders), and when the TLU mascot came up they all smiled and jumped all over him.  He did an amazing job of interacting with them and letting them hang all over him.  Being a father of a young one myself, it made me appreciate how sports are not always about just W's and L's.  I imagine he would have acted the same way even if the score was closer to the previous match-up.

If any of you guys know the mascot, be sure to let him know that his friendliness and patience made a lot of little Cru kids happy.

Good luck to you guys next season (aside from your next trip to Belton).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 23, 2014, 04:31:35 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on November 23, 2014, 04:27:32 PM
I really hope TLU remains successful and both teams do develop a rivalry.  I wanted to share a quick story from this weekend.

On Saturday, well, mother nature was a beast.  For those of you who who were at the game, you probably headed over into the Bawcom SUB to wait out the delay(s).  My wife and I were in there as well, and we had a chance to meet several TLU fans.  One of the things that really impressed me was your mascot.  He was wandering around and hanging out with the both fanbases.  That's not unusual in an of itself, but he was also very accommodating towards many of the younger Cru fans in attendance.  I was up on the third floor for a bit and there were about 4 or 5 young girls with their parents.  They all had UMHB gear on (a few were dressed as little cheerleaders), and when the TLU mascot came up they all smiled and jumped all over him.  He did an amazing job of interacting with them and letting them hang all over him.  Being a father of a young one myself, it made me appreciate how sports are not always about just W's and L's.  I imagine he would have acted the same way even if the score was closer to the previous match-up.

If any of you guys know the mascot, be sure to let him know that his friendliness and patience made a lot of little Cru kids happy.

Good luck to you guys next season (aside from your next trip to Belton).

When I have been at games in Seguin this year, the mascot has been just as accommodating with my youngsters.  I don't know who is the mascot.  He/She, I am guessing, is a student but does a great job of catching the kids attention.  My 4-year daughter thinks we go to games to see "the Bulldog".  She could care less about what is on the field.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 23, 2014, 07:47:49 PM
Inviting all of you TLU fans back to Belton next week to see the game against Linfield. Come root on your fellow Texas college and give us some support.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Tekken on November 23, 2014, 09:42:59 PM
UMHB....... are there usually more fans at the home games?  It was hard to get a read on if the UMHB crowd was still sparse today or if it just looked bare because of the immense amount of seating on that side.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 23, 2014, 09:49:18 PM
I can't comment on today's crowd since I wasn't there, but last night it was sparse due to the impending weather.  So to answer your question... yes, it is usually more crowded.  This season saw a bit of a drop-off (no stats to back that up, just going by the eye test), but we did sell out a few games last year.  I'm guessing the average attendance falls somewhere between 4-5 thousand.  Home stands are usually 2/3 - 3/4 full.  Visitors side ranges from half-full to completely sparse, depending on the opponent.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 23, 2014, 09:57:27 PM
I wrote before the game that TLU would not get the full effect of The CRUthedral. The previous score of 72-16 plus the weather hurt Saturday. I think most people had  Sunday plans that would preclude the game and the start time of 11:30 a.m. did not help. I beleive attendance averages around 5000.

Home side is usually 70/80% full by my estimation.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2014, 12:49:43 AM
Just check the stats on UMHB's pages:

This year - avg att 4774 (including yesterday)
Last year - avg att 4156

Yesterday's listed attendance:  1932
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 24, 2014, 08:31:34 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 24, 2014, 12:49:43 AM
Just check the stats on UMHB's pages:

This year - avg att 4774 (including yesterday)
Last year - avg att 4156

Yesterday's listed attendance:  1932

Thanks for digging those up, Ron.  It's surprising to me that last year had a lower average.  Then again, we had several more home games (regular season + playoffs) so those numbers were spread out over more contests.

We need games like the one against TLU.  We need to face quality opponents and experience more close games.  Otherwise, fans will get complacent and not bother to show up as often.  We have a wonderful facility and very friendly atmosphere at our games.  I hope more people realize this and our attendance numbers continue to go up.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 24, 2014, 04:13:05 PM
The complacency is already a reality for some, GillCJ1. I know a few people that have told me they don't bother to come to the regular season games. They only come to the playoff games. As a huge UMHB fan, I find that so frustrating, especially since the game day experience is so good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on November 25, 2014, 07:08:39 PM
Southwestern fans, why don't you make the quick trip (30 minutes or less) up I35 to watch UMHB take on Linfield College. You can get the feel of what it will be like when your Pirates one day make the playoffs and you can help root on your fellow Texans as they take on the Wildcats from Oregon. Kickoff is at noon. The CRU Nation would love to see you on Saturday!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on December 04, 2014, 07:48:50 PM
 Congrats to TLU's Marquis Barrolle still No. 1 rusher.

http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2014/12/4/FB_1204143024.aspx

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on December 20, 2014, 07:00:30 PM
Marquis Barrolle gets passed over for 1,2,& 3rd teams to get Honorable Mention after receiving 1792 yards in 11 games. Sam Sura 12 games 1769 yards ,Domonique Hayden  9 games 1426 yards, Dylan Jones  9 games 1599 yards, Josh Williams 10 games 1291 yards, Cartel Brooks 10 games 1401 yards,  Chris Smallwood 11 games 1387 yards. Makes me wonder what he has to accomplish/do to make even 3rd Team. He is the #1 rusher and gets passed over for 6 places. My hat is off to you Marquis Barrolle you deserve to be #1 you earned it even if nobody else thinks so, stand proud.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2014, 03:57:17 PM
Well, he's a sophomore and he'll have more chances, too. Voters are generally looking at regular season stats only. And it's not just yards of game, but yards per carry. And, well, touchdowns. Also, there's definitely an element of strength of schedule here -- there are not a ton of great defenses in the ASC/SCAC.

Generally the top rusher is measured by yards per game, not raw number of yards. Obviously MB is also very high in YPG but he's second nationally by almost 15 yards per contest.

Just some of my thoughts on this.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on December 21, 2014, 07:25:18 PM
Being a sophomore should have nothing to do with where you place, if you earn something you earn it. As  an example he beat Chris Smallwood in YPG, YPC, and overall yards. Chris beat MB in touchdowns. MB had 4  200 yard plus games 1 against the at the time D3football.com number 2 ranked team UHMB, however that was in post season. Its all in the criteria in which you use to rank something or someone. I just find it hard to justify being passed by 6 places to get Honorable Mention. He is a remarkable running back. It Is What It Is.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 21, 2014, 09:28:00 PM
Quote from: RLW on December 21, 2014, 07:25:18 PM
It Is What It Is.

Right. And what it isn't is purely a statistical ranking based solely on yards per game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on December 23, 2014, 08:42:46 PM
I am with RLW on this one.  Barrolle is a special running back.  For him to be that low on the D3 all nation team is a shame.  The guy runs hard, is crafty, and just finds holes that don't seem to be there.  Don't get me wrong.  Honorable mention is fantastic.  I just have a hard time believing there were 6 other running backs better than him at the DIII level.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on December 23, 2014, 09:24:00 PM
I'm not saying he should be 1st team. And I do not know the criteria to which the RB's are measured against. All I was saying is if you are #1 in overall yards, beat some of the others in yards per carry, #2 yards per game, have 4 games over 200 yds, 8 games over 100 yds its hard to believe you are Honorable Mention. The only thing I could see he was beat in was touchdowns and SOS. I am not asking to change the criteria or change their decision. Simply voicing my opinion. I hope he was not placed there because he was a sophomore and the others were Jrs, and Srs. That would be a disgrace.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on December 25, 2014, 01:47:31 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on December 23, 2014, 08:42:46 PM
I am with RLW on this one.  Barrolle is a special running back.  For him to be that low on the D3 all nation team is a shame.  The guy runs hard, is crafty, and just finds holes that don't seem to be there.  Don't get me wrong.  Honorable mention is fantastic.  I just have a hard time believing there were 6 other running backs better than him at the DIII level.

Just would be good to watch some other running backs and see. There are 250-500 starting running backs in Division III. Some of them might be pretty good.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on January 09, 2015, 04:13:02 PM
Former SCAC and Millsaps College Standout Sean Brewer Elected to College Football Hall of Fame:
http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/brewer_named_to_cfb_hof (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/brewer_named_to_cfb_hof)
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on January 09, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
250-500 RB,s only one ranked #1 by NCAA Marquis Barrolle
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on January 09, 2015, 09:34:46 PM
Quote from: RLW on January 09, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
250-500 RB,s only one ranked #1 by NCAA Marquis Barrolle

Hear hear!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 09, 2015, 11:42:11 PM
Quote from: RLW on January 09, 2015, 09:27:15 PM
250-500 RB,s only one ranked #1 by NCAA Marquis Barrolle

The NCAA doesn't rank players, they just list statistical averages.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on January 18, 2015, 08:21:25 PM
Not sure where to post this.

  http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/five_best_high_school_football_stadiums.php
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 19, 2015, 06:03:22 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 18, 2015, 08:21:25 PM
Not sure where to post this.

  http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/five_best_high_school_football_stadiums.php


After looking at these high school stadiums, the hackneyed words, "wretched excess," sadly, come to mind.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on January 23, 2015, 03:35:41 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on January 18, 2015, 08:21:25 PM
Not sure where to post this.

  http://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2014/10/five_best_high_school_football_stadiums.php
The last three seem utilitarian to me, being a parent who has been to Mesquite (supporting 5 high schools) and John Clark in Plano (supporting 3 high schools) and my having run at Farrington Field in high school (supporting 10 FWISD  high schools)  way back in the day.

Both Mesquite and John Clark were full for our games.

I believe that Allen High School marching band marches more than 800 members some years.  That alone is at least 2000 parents/step-parents plus siblings and grand parents who need seats.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
This discussion would probably generate a lot more traffic in the ASC board, since football there tends to be more in the Texas "bigger is better" model than the SCAC, with its four teams with modest little stadiums (or no stadium at all, in the case of Southwestern).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on January 24, 2015, 04:04:32 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2015, 01:16:37 PM
This discussion would probably generate a lot more traffic in the ASC board, since football there tends to be more in the Texas "bigger is better" model than the SCAC, with its four teams with modest little stadiums (or no stadium at all, in the case of Southwestern).

I suspect you're correct. Does Southwestern play home games at the Georgetown High School stadium?
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2015, 10:42:56 PM
Yep, and they draw pretty well for a brand-new program (averaged 2200 fans last year, it's only a 1400 student school, and they do charge admission for non-students/faculty).   Georgetown has really adopted them, which is nice to see.

No plans to build on-campus that I've seen.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on January 25, 2015, 01:09:42 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2015, 10:42:56 PM
Yep, and they draw pretty well for a brand-new program (averaged 2200 fans last year, it's only a 1400 student school, and they do charge admission for non-students/faculty).   Georgetown has really adopted them, which is nice to see.

No plans to build on-campus that I've seen.

I would put Southwestern's on-campus stadium more along the lines of "aspirations" rather than "plans" at the moment, yes.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on February 12, 2015, 09:50:38 PM
So just to generate some offseason chit chat - I know that there is a message board dedicated to ranking the top "South" teams of all time, but my question for the thread is directed specifically to SCAC teams, both current and past. The SCAC has historically been a Trinity dominated conference but we have seen years (sometimes several in a row) where other teams have been better. Rather than asking people to decide and rank who the best SCAC teams of all time are, I'd like to get an opinion on what some of the best offenses/defenses were. I know it would be a quick answer to throw out the offense and defense for Trinity during their dominance in the late 90's/early 2000's, but how do people think those offenses stacked up against Juan Joseph and the Millsap's offense of 2008? What about defense? I know Trinity and Centre's 2011-2012 squad's were pretty formidable but how do they compare to some of the older teams?

I must admit that my history of other SCAC schools is rather limited, so I would love some input on what people think were the best Rhodes/Austin College/TLU/Centre/Depauw/etc teams as well.

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on February 18, 2015, 04:46:05 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on January 24, 2015, 10:42:56 PM
Yep, and they draw pretty well for a brand-new program (averaged 2200 fans last year, it's only a 1400 student school, and they do charge admission for non-students/faculty).   Georgetown has really adopted them, which is nice to see.

No plans to build on-campus that I've seen.

This is very interesting to me.  I'm only 20 minutes or so north of Georgetown.  In fact, I had looked at job openings at Southwestern a few years back.  It's good to hear they are generating a lot of interest in football (relative to their size).
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 12, 2015, 10:34:57 AM
Trinity announced yesterday that fundraising is now underway for a 2800-seat football facility on the site of the current field.   The limited space precludes anything larger on campus; from what I've seen, the surrounding historic neighborhood would be uninterested-to-hostile towards any campus expansion, even if the university had any interest (which is highly doubtful). 

http://trinitytigers.com/sports/fball/2014-15/files/Football_Brochure_as_pdf_8.5x11.pdf

Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 15, 2015, 11:21:03 PM
I like it!
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on March 27, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
TLU posted their 2015 schedule here: http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/3/26/FB_0326153028.aspx.  Same schedule from last year except the home/away is reversed.  It appears the toughest stretch of the season will be three straight road games (broken up by their bye week) at ETBU, at UMHB, and at Trinity. 

I may be misremembering but I thought I read somewhere that the SCAC would go to a six game conference schedule with each football member playing a home/away series against the remaining SCAC members.  Is that right and, if so, what year will that start? 

I don't want to dismiss something before it is implemented but I am not sure I am a fan of that scheduling quirk.  It will certainly help develop better rivalries between TLU, Trinity, Southwestern and AC.  However, I think it will make it more difficult for the SCAC champion to get an at-large playoff bid.  One, it is difficult to beat the same team twice in a single season.  Two, and more importantly, I am afraid the playoff committee will view such scheduling as a weakness.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on March 27, 2015, 02:17:05 PM
TLU will have two weeks to prepare for UMHB, that could makes things interesting at The CRUthedral on October 24.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on March 27, 2015, 02:57:43 PM
Quote from: Kelly Boggs on March 27, 2015, 02:17:05 PM
TLU will have two weeks to prepare for UMHB, that could makes things interesting at The CRUthedral on October 24.

I hope it is an exciting game like the playoff game last year (without the weather related interruptions).  Last year, TLU also had its bye week before the UMHB game in Seguin last year.  As you know, that did not help TLU at all in that game.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 01, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on March 27, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
TLU posted their 2015 schedule here: http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/3/26/FB_0326153028.aspx.  Same schedule from last year except the home/away is reversed.  It appears the toughest stretch of the season will be three straight road games (broken up by their bye week) at ETBU, at UMHB, and at Trinity. 

I may be misremembering but I thought I read somewhere that the SCAC would go to a six game conference schedule with each football member playing a home/away series against the remaining SCAC members.  Is that right and, if so, what year will that start? 

I don't want to dismiss something before it is implemented but I am not sure I am a fan of that scheduling quirk.  It will certainly help develop better rivalries between TLU, Trinity, Southwestern and AC.  However, I think it will make it more difficult for the SCAC champion to get an at-large playoff bid.  One, it is difficult to beat the same team twice in a single season.  Two, and more importantly, I am afraid the playoff committee will view such scheduling as a weakness.

Can't say I would be fan of that idea either, on top of the reasons you said, I can imagine that having some negative affect on recruiting. Not exactly the most exciting thought knowing you are going to face 3 teams twice every year.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on April 02, 2015, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 01, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on March 27, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
TLU posted their 2015 schedule here: http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/3/26/FB_0326153028.aspx.  Same schedule from last year except the home/away is reversed.  It appears the toughest stretch of the season will be three straight road games (broken up by their bye week) at ETBU, at UMHB, and at Trinity. 

I may be misremembering but I thought I read somewhere that the SCAC would go to a six game conference schedule with each football member playing a home/away series against the remaining SCAC members.  Is that right and, if so, what year will that start? 

I don't want to dismiss something before it is implemented but I am not sure I am a fan of that scheduling quirk.  It will certainly help develop better rivalries between TLU, Trinity, Southwestern and AC.  However, I think it will make it more difficult for the SCAC champion to get an at-large playoff bid.  One, it is difficult to beat the same team twice in a single season.  Two, and more importantly, I am afraid the playoff committee will view such scheduling as a weakness.

Can't say I would be fan of that idea either, on top of the reasons you said, I can imagine that having some negative affect on recruiting. Not exactly the most exciting thought knowing you are going to face 3 teams twice every year.

I agree.  I would prefer TLU and the rest of the SCAC fill out their schedule with ASC and SAA teams.  Also, games against out of region teams from time to time would be nice but I know costs is always an issue there.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on April 06, 2015, 04:09:17 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on April 02, 2015, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 01, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on March 27, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
TLU posted their 2015 schedule here: http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/3/26/FB_0326153028.aspx.  Same schedule from last year except the home/away is reversed.  It appears the toughest stretch of the season will be three straight road games (broken up by their bye week) at ETBU, at UMHB, and at Trinity. 

I may be misremembering but I thought I read somewhere that the SCAC would go to a six game conference schedule with each football member playing a home/away series against the remaining SCAC members.  Is that right and, if so, what year will that start? 

I don't want to dismiss something before it is implemented but I am not sure I am a fan of that scheduling quirk.  It will certainly help develop better rivalries between TLU, Trinity, Southwestern and AC.  However, I think it will make it more difficult for the SCAC champion to get an at-large playoff bid.  One, it is difficult to beat the same team twice in a single season.  Two, and more importantly, I am afraid the playoff committee will view such scheduling as a weakness.

Can't say I would be fan of that idea either, on top of the reasons you said, I can imagine that having some negative affect on recruiting. Not exactly the most exciting thought knowing you are going to face 3 teams twice every year.

I agree.  I would prefer TLU and the rest of the SCAC fill out their schedule with ASC and SAA teams.  Also, games against out of region teams from time to time would be nice but I know costs is always an issue there.

Not sure I understand what you mean.  TLU is playing six ASC teams in 2015 and Austin College is playing one.  Also in 2015, AC is playing Whittier from California and Hendrix from SAA.  The SAA kicked out the SCAC teams several years ago and will not schedule them.  Hendrix is coached by an AC alum and that is probably the only reason they will play an SCAC team.  Haven't seen Trinity's 2015 schedule but in 2014 they played three ASC teams and two from the west coast as well as Chicago.  Southwestern played three ASC teams and one from Wisconsin.  Seems to me they are playing a pretty varied schedule concerning their geography.
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on April 06, 2015, 05:01:13 PM
Trinity's schedule:
http://www.d3football.com/teams/Trinity_(Texas)/2015/index
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 06, 2015, 05:06:15 PM
Quote from: roocru on April 06, 2015, 04:09:17 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on April 02, 2015, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 01, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on March 27, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
TLU posted their 2015 schedule here: http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/3/26/FB_0326153028.aspx.  Same schedule from last year except the home/away is reversed.  It appears the toughest stretch of the season will be three straight road games (broken up by their bye week) at ETBU, at UMHB, and at Trinity. 

I may be misremembering but I thought I read somewhere that the SCAC would go to a six game conference schedule with each football member playing a home/away series against the remaining SCAC members.  Is that right and, if so, what year will that start? 

I don't want to dismiss something before it is implemented but I am not sure I am a fan of that scheduling quirk.  It will certainly help develop better rivalries between TLU, Trinity, Southwestern and AC.  However, I think it will make it more difficult for the SCAC champion to get an at-large playoff bid.  One, it is difficult to beat the same team twice in a single season.  Two, and more importantly, I am afraid the playoff committee will view such scheduling as a weakness.

Can't say I would be fan of that idea either, on top of the reasons you said, I can imagine that having some negative affect on recruiting. Not exactly the most exciting thought knowing you are going to face 3 teams twice every year.

I agree.  I would prefer TLU and the rest of the SCAC fill out their schedule with ASC and SAA teams.  Also, games against out of region teams from time to time would be nice but I know costs is always an issue there.

Not sure I understand what you mean.  TLU is playing six ASC teams in 2015 and Austin College is playing one.  Also in 2015, AC is playing Whittier from California and Hendrix from SAA.  The SAA kicked out the SCAC teams several years ago and will not schedule them.  Hendrix is coached by an AC alum and that is probably the only reason they will play an SCAC team.  Haven't seen Trinity's 2015 schedule but in 2014 they played three ASC teams and two from the west coast as well as Chicago.  Southwestern played three ASC teams and one from Wisconsin.  Seems to me they are playing a pretty varied schedule concerning their geography.

It looks like this year Trinity, Southwestern, and Austin College are all playing each other twice with TLU being the lone SCAC member that is only playing the others once. 
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on April 07, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
Quote from: roocru on April 06, 2015, 04:09:17 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on April 02, 2015, 04:51:04 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 01, 2015, 02:50:31 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on March 27, 2015, 12:26:09 PM
TLU posted their 2015 schedule here: http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/3/26/FB_0326153028.aspx.  Same schedule from last year except the home/away is reversed.  It appears the toughest stretch of the season will be three straight road games (broken up by their bye week) at ETBU, at UMHB, and at Trinity. 

I may be misremembering but I thought I read somewhere that the SCAC would go to a six game conference schedule with each football member playing a home/away series against the remaining SCAC members.  Is that right and, if so, what year will that start? 

I don't want to dismiss something before it is implemented but I am not sure I am a fan of that scheduling quirk.  It will certainly help develop better rivalries between TLU, Trinity, Southwestern and AC.  However, I think it will make it more difficult for the SCAC champion to get an at-large playoff bid.  One, it is difficult to beat the same team twice in a single season.  Two, and more importantly, I am afraid the playoff committee will view such scheduling as a weakness.

Can't say I would be fan of that idea either, on top of the reasons you said, I can imagine that having some negative affect on recruiting. Not exactly the most exciting thought knowing you are going to face 3 teams twice every year.

I agree.  I would prefer TLU and the rest of the SCAC fill out their schedule with ASC and SAA teams.  Also, games against out of region teams from time to time would be nice but I know costs is always an issue there.

Not sure I understand what you mean.  TLU is playing six ASC teams in 2015 and Austin College is playing one.  Also in 2015, AC is playing Whittier from California and Hendrix from SAA.  The SAA kicked out the SCAC teams several years ago and will not schedule them.  Hendrix is coached by an AC alum and that is probably the only reason they will play an SCAC team.  Haven't seen Trinity's 2015 schedule but in 2014 they played three ASC teams and two from the west coast as well as Chicago.  Southwestern played three ASC teams and one from Wisconsin.  Seems to me they are playing a pretty varied schedule concerning their geography.

I am not questioning anyone's out of conference schedule.  I am questioning the home and away series between SCAC members.  I am not a fan of scheduling the same team twice in a 10 game season because of the implications it could have on the eventual SCAC champ making the post-season.  My suspicion is the home and away conference schedule will be viewed as a liability and not a strength by the playoff committee.  You just don't see that type of scheduling in any level of football except the NFL, which plays a 16 game regular season.   
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 13, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on April 07, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
I am not questioning anyone's out of conference schedule.  I am questioning the home and away series between SCAC members.  I am not a fan of scheduling the same team twice in a 10 game season because of the implications it could have on the eventual SCAC champ making the post-season.  My suspicion is the home and away conference schedule will be viewed as a liability and not a strength by the playoff committee.  You just don't see that type of scheduling in any level of football except the NFL, which plays a 16 game regular season.

You should take this up with the SCAC office; if I remember correctly, in 2016 the home-and-away schedules are a requirement and both games will count in conference standings, so at some level (at least a majority) of the schools signed up.   I don't disagree at all with your assertion that this will not help the SCAC champion's chance of getting a bid; it was probably put in place due to the school(s) that didn't want to have to spend a lot of money on travel.   The ASC teams will have one less free week once McMurry is back on the conference calendar.   Still will have four free weeks to schedule quality opponents, which is more than most conferences have.   Then again, most conferences get a Pool A.   :(
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on April 13, 2015, 05:33:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 13, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on April 07, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
I am not questioning anyone's out of conference schedule.  I am questioning the home and away series between SCAC members.  I am not a fan of scheduling the same team twice in a 10 game season because of the implications it could have on the eventual SCAC champ making the post-season.  My suspicion is the home and away conference schedule will be viewed as a liability and not a strength by the playoff committee.  You just don't see that type of scheduling in any level of football except the NFL, which plays a 16 game regular season.

You should take this up with the SCAC office; if I remember correctly, in 2016 the home-and-away schedules are a requirement and both games will count in conference standings, so at some level (at least a majority) of the schools signed up.   I don't disagree at all with your assertion that this will not help the SCAC champion's chance of getting a bid; it was probably put in place due to the school(s) that didn't want to have to spend a lot of money on travel.   The ASC teams will have one less free week once McMurry is back on the conference calendar.   Still will have four free weeks to schedule quality opponents, which is more than most conferences have.   Then again, most conferences get a Pool A.   :(

Interesting that both games would count in the conference standings, seems like they are inevitably going to have a season where teams A&B beat the teams C& D twice and then split with each other. I know their are lots of ways for conferences to have ties that have awkward tie breakers but in this case it seems like a much more likely situation since as TLU02SA it can be difficult to beat a team twice.

Deep down I just wish we could all get along and the ASC and the SCAC join for football only and none of us would have to worry about schedules or very far travel again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on April 28, 2015, 08:35:06 PM
Austin College Adds New O-Line Coach;

http://www.acroos.com/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20150428fjpn3c
Title: Re: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 04, 2015, 02:23:59 PM
Quote from: crufootball on April 13, 2015, 05:33:16 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 13, 2015, 09:58:00 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on April 07, 2015, 02:52:24 PM
I am not questioning anyone's out of conference schedule.  I am questioning the home and away series between SCAC members.  I am not a fan of scheduling the same team twice in a 10 game season because of the implications it could have on the eventual SCAC champ making the post-season.  My suspicion is the home and away conference schedule will be viewed as a liability and not a strength by the playoff committee.  You just don't see that type of scheduling in any level of football except the NFL, which plays a 16 game regular season.

You should take this up with the SCAC office; if I remember correctly, in 2016 the home-and-away schedules are a requirement and both games will count in conference standings, so at some level (at least a majority) of the schools signed up.   I don't disagree at all with your assertion that this will not help the SCAC champion's chance of getting a bid; it was probably put in place due to the school(s) that didn't want to have to spend a lot of money on travel.   The ASC teams will have one less free week once McMurry is back on the conference calendar.   Still will have four free weeks to schedule quality opponents, which is more than most conferences have.   Then again, most conferences get a Pool A.   :(

Interesting that both games would count in the conference standings, seems like they are inevitably going to have a season where teams A&B beat the teams C& D twice and then split with each other. I know their are lots of ways for conferences to have ties that have awkward tie breakers but in this case it seems like a much more likely situation since as TLU02SA it can be difficult to beat a team twice.

Deep down I just wish we could all get along and the ASC and the SCAC join for football only and none of us would have to worry about schedules or very far travel again.
With McMurry and then Belhaven joining the ASC, there are not enough weeks in the season to play everyone.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 12, 2015, 10:06:04 PM
Maybe the band can get back together again ;D That would be with UChicago and WashU leaving the SAA, some type of schedule deal might work out between the SAA and SCAC. Also wonder if berea college might join the SAA but they don't' have football so it won't matter if that happens.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 12, 2015, 10:15:51 PM
Wow, that is a surprise, that Chicago and WashU are abandoning the SAA almost before joining them.

http://saa-sports.com/information/Football_Chicago_-_Wash_U

I just can't see them leaving the SAA for the lower-academic profile (sorry, but we know it's true) schools in the SCAC, and the travel would be excessive.   Wouldn't I love to be proven wrong.

EDIT:  Both football teams are going to the CCIW in 2018.  http://bearsports.wustl.edu/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20150611z55r5g
http://athletics.uchicago.edu/sports/fball/2014-15/releases/20150612631ks3


EDIT 2:  I can't read.   The Chicago release talks about WashU going to the CCIW (why??) but nothing else.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on June 12, 2015, 10:18:25 PM
Wash U is off to the CCIW. Thinking Chicago heads to the NACC or MIAA. Maybe the MWC if the want to do divisions. Makes way more sense than the SCAC
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 12, 2015, 10:31:45 PM
Chicago is looking for a league but i'd guess they end up in the MIAA. Strange that their deal with the SAA was very short. Well, not really for chicago but i'm a little surprised Wash U and the SAA didn't stick with each other since driving to st louis isn't that bad for saa school's. After these moves, the SAA will have 7 football teams so maybe the could be a home for 3 scac  school's and 1 going to the ASC for football only. Yet, i'm not sure if the SAA told wash u and chicago to leave or those school's left on their own...i.e. maybe the SAA doesn't want to fly and/or help out the scac school's. At the very least, SAA school's will need to find 4 non conference games per year now, so that might help SCAC school's fill up their schedule.

I guess the other thing is the SAA might be on the prowl for some more members closer to their geographic base since they only have 8 with 7 playing football. Berea college, who doesn't play football,  is moving to d3  this year + looking for a league and would be a good fit for the SAA to get to 9. I'm sure there is some school in the southeast that plays football  who could bring the SAA up to 10 members with 8 football to help fill out the schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on June 14, 2015, 07:29:52 PM
I always thought Berea would be a good fit for the SAA (and the "old" SCAC and CAC).   

But does the SAA really need to do anything?   The addition of football programs at Berry and Hendrix brought the SAA up to seven football playing schools without adding WashU and Chicago into the mix.    Isn't seven enough to give the conference an automatic bid into the playoffs?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on June 14, 2015, 08:37:52 PM
Quote from: awadelewis on June 14, 2015, 07:29:52 PM
I always thought Berea would be a good fit for the SAA (and the "old" SCAC and CAC).   

But does the SAA really need to do anything?   The addition of football programs at Berry and Hendrix brought the SAA up to seven football playing schools without adding WashU and Chicago into the mix.    Isn't seven enough to give the conference an automatic bid into the playoffs?

It is. It's just miserable to fill your open dates. Most conferences at 8 or 9 conference games don't need to be looking for an OOC game as late in the year as the SAA teams do. So it gets really hard to find an opponent when almost everyone else is in conference swing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on June 15, 2015, 12:28:25 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 12, 2015, 10:15:51 PM
The Chicago release talks about WashU going to the CCIW (why??) but nothing else.

Better football (at least by perception), less travel (everything is located between St. Louis and Chicago...with a biannual trip to Carthage thrown in), and the CCIW really needed a 10th team to even their numbers out with Carroll rejoining the league.  That third piece- the opportunity- is probably most critical.  I don't think it's all that different from DePauw's departure from the SCAC a few years ago.  It's probably something they would have done sooner, but never had the right opportunity (or REALLY didn't want to have to go back to the HCAC).  As soon as Earlham vacated their spot in the NCAC, it was almost too obvious a move for DePauw not to make.  Similarly, if the CCIW is soliciting a 10th team, WashU would have been foolish not to jump all over it.  That's as rock solid a league as there is, as opposed to the conferences in the south region which have been unsettled for a number of years now.  So Washington has immediately gained the CCIW's reputation, eliminated significant travel costs, and (most importantly) found stability for their football program.  No more conference shuffling, no more flirting with independent schedules...they're all set now.  Great move for the Bears. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2015, 01:07:03 PM
No, I meant why does the Chicago release talk about WashU  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on June 15, 2015, 03:06:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 15, 2015, 01:07:03 PM
No, I meant why does the Chicago release talk about WashU  ;)

Yeah, you got me there.  I have no idea unless Washington's leaving somehow precipitated Chicago's leaving as well(although I don't know why...it's not like they would have been travel partners for football so the thing isn't financially feasible without each other).  Mostly I would guess that Chicago and Washington's movements have been related enough for long enough that it's kind of a habit- it might take these guys (meaning the UAA Four) a minute to settle in to the reality that they aren't really intertwined anymore. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on June 15, 2015, 03:22:30 PM
The UChicago release might be talking about WashU football finding a home cause Uchicago folks are probably wonder why they aren't joining the CCIW instead of WashU. Of course, the reason is probably UC also has a home that doesn't fit WashU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on June 15, 2015, 06:09:48 PM
Quote from: cush on June 12, 2015, 10:06:04 PM
Maybe the band can get back together again ;D That would be with UChicago and WashU leaving the SAA, some type of schedule deal might work out between the SAA and SCAC. Also wonder if berea college might join the SAA but they don't' have football so it won't matter if that happens.

As a TLU alum, it would be exciting to have some SAA teams on TLU's schedule.  Unfortunately, I don't see a SAA/SCAC scheduling deal.  I would guess that there is animosity between the old SCAC athletic departments but I think cush hit the nail on the head with his second post re travel.  Schools in both the SAA and SCAC probably do not want to commit to the travel such a schedule would impose.  I was of the impression that part of the reason the SAA was started was to create a more geographically limited conference.  I suspect that TLU does not want to commit to make 3 - 4 600 - 1,000+ mile road trips each year to the SAA schools.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 30, 2015, 08:02:10 PM
SCAC Facebook post earlier today:

Make sure you're following @SCAC_sports on Instagram for a big announcement tomorrow! ‪#‎SCACPride‬ ‪#‎SCAC‬

Here's hoping ...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 01, 2015, 05:19:14 PM
Nope.   This is what it was:

The 2015-16 academic year will mark the 25th year of competition in the #SCAC! 18 institutions have come through the conference, with eight remaining as members today. We are kicking off the year long celebration with a new 25th Anniversary logo!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on July 01, 2015, 06:15:23 PM
That was it?  On a scale of 1 to The Matrix Reloaded, how big of a disappointment was this "announcement"?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on July 02, 2015, 10:50:30 AM
Probably about time the SCAC moves their HQ from Atlanta to Dallas. I think the SAA should pick up 2 Scac school's for a football only membership which would give them 8 conference games. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on July 02, 2015, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: cush on July 02, 2015, 10:50:30 AM
Probably about time the SCAC moves their HQ from Atlanta to Dallas. I think the SAA should pick up 2 Scac school's for a football only membership which would give them 8 conference games.

If the SAA does pick up 2 football schools from the SCAC is their a point for the SCAC to continue to support football since then they would have 2 members?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SJSUPhil on July 13, 2015, 07:43:19 AM
Quote from: crufootball on July 02, 2015, 12:43:35 PM
Quote from: cush on July 02, 2015, 10:50:30 AM
Probably about time the SCAC moves their HQ from Atlanta to Dallas. I think the SAA should pick up 2 Scac school's for a football only membership which would give them 8 conference games.

If the SAA does pick up 2 football schools from the SCAC is their a point for the SCAC to continue to support football since then they would have 2 members?

I agree with your HQ idea. But it doesn't have to be Dallas, anywhere in Texas will do.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 13, 2015, 11:49:21 AM
Quote from: crufootball on July 02, 2015, 12:43:35 PM

If the SAA does pick up 2 football schools from the SCAC is their a point for the SCAC to continue to support football since then they would have 2 members?

There's probably enough bad blood between the two conferences already to keep the SAA from trying to poach two football teams from the SCAC, but, no, if there were only two football schools left the conference would not sponsor it as a sport.   Similar situation when the conferences split - there were not enough schools offering lacrosse so it was discontinued as a conference sport.    Men's LaX is coming back next year and the release says the conference's minimum standard for offering a championship is four teams.   http://scacsports.com/sports/mlax/mlax_is_back

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 13, 2015, 02:37:10 PM
TLU is the only SCAC school in the D3football.com preseason Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2015/preseason), coming in at #21.

Other schools of interest (to me anyway  :)):


UMHB #4
Wesley #5
Johns Hopkins #13
W&J 15
Centre #22
HSU RV
Louisiana Coll RV (barely)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 13, 2015, 03:08:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 13, 2015, 02:37:10 PM
TLU is the only SCAC school in the D3football.com preseason Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2015/preseason), coming in at #21.

Other schools of interest (to me anyway  :)):


UMHB #4
Wesley #5  (Going to the NJAC in the East Region)
Johns Hopkins #13
W&J 15
Centre #22
HSU RV
Louisiana Coll RV (barely)
Big change.  The NJAC is now a power conference (IMHO).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on July 14, 2015, 04:53:43 PM
I just signed up for Kickoff 2016.  Please support Pat and the others at D3Football and sign up soon!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on July 28, 2015, 07:06:33 PM
Austin College season preview: http://acroos.com/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20150728ha8bh6 (http://acroos.com/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20150728ha8bh6)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on August 05, 2015, 02:32:43 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 13, 2015, 03:08:19 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 13, 2015, 02:37:10 PM
TLU is the only SCAC school in the D3football.com preseason Top 25 (http://www.d3football.com/top25/2015/preseason), coming in at #21.

Other schools of interest (to me anyway  :)):


UMHB #4
Wesley #5  (Going to the NJAC in the East Region)
Johns Hopkins #13
W&J 15
Centre #22
HSU RV
Louisiana Coll RV (barely)
Big change.  The NJAC is now a power conference (IMHO).

Agreed. The NJAC is a force now. It also makes the teams even more intriguing. The recruiting must have been a site this off season!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on August 07, 2015, 12:46:22 PM
Pretty cool articles about TLU and Marquis Barrolle.

http://herosports.com/collegefootball/d3-football-texas-lutheran-rb-marquis-barrolle-big-things/

http://herosports.com/collegefootball/2015-d3-football-preseason-americans-offense/

http://herosports.com/collegefootball/d3-football-7-must-watch-games-2015-hamline-macalester-st-johns-st-thomas-whitewater-oshkosh/

http://herosports.com/collegefootball/scac-football-preview-2015-texas-lutheran-trinity-austin-southwestern/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 07, 2015, 09:38:36 PM
That stuff is just rehash of news releases, though, and doesn't represent any new reporting. I compared their preview of the UMAC to the notes I got from actually talking to coaches and it's clear all they're doing is going through rosters and making guesses.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on August 09, 2015, 09:41:30 AM
Those were the first articles about the SCAC teams and players I've been able to find in a few months, they were enjoyable to read. They probably rehashed statistical averages in order to list Marquis Barrolle on preseason first team.  The article about the top seven games to watch this year I thought was right on about TLU vs UHMB game. I think it will be a very good game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 09, 2015, 11:35:40 PM
Gotcha -- just so you know, though, that kind of coverage pales in comparison to what we'll have in Kickoff, where we actually talk to each school about who's coming back rather than assume.
http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/07/time-to-get-kickoff-2015
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on August 10, 2015, 07:40:34 AM
I already purchased Kickoff. Waiting on the 25th. I'm ready for some football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on August 12, 2015, 07:38:40 PM
Matt Cannata 4 year letterman at center and 2 year offensive line Intern at Texas Lutheran has accepted an offensive line graduate assistant
position at D I FCS  Texas Southern University.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 15, 2015, 12:35:11 PM
For the 'Roo fans among us, here's a gallery from this morning's practice at Austin College: http://acroos.com/sports/fball/2015-16/photos/0001/index (http://acroos.com/sports/fball/2015-16/photos/0001/index)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on August 25, 2015, 10:03:28 PM
So did anyone in TLUGoat territory pick up Kickoff? Thoughts?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on August 28, 2015, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on August 25, 2015, 10:03:28 PM
So did anyone in TLUGoat territory pick up Kickoff? Thoughts?

Sure did.  Did not get around to reading it until late this week.  I liked the interview with Barrolle.  Guy seems like he is humble.  I thought it was interesting that they selected the Trinity game as the game that will define TLU's season.  Don't get me wrong, Trinity is going to be one of the toughest games of the year.  Trinity is always good, the game is in San Antonio and the game will go a long way to determining the SCAC champion.  It just is not the game that I am most looking forward to.  Not even the second.  I can't wait to catch TLU's home opener against Hardin-Simmons and, of course, the rematch in Belton against UMHB.  TLU released its media guide this week as well.  Coach Padron says he thinks this is the best team he has had at TLU.  I hope he is right and am looking forward to another fun season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2015, 05:02:51 PM
The Trinity game is so important because it's potentially an elimination game if TLU loses the week before.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on August 28, 2015, 05:43:37 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2015, 05:02:51 PM
The Trinity game is so important because it's potentially an elimination game if TLU loses the week before.

Also could be a big time trap game if TLU were to beat UMHB, and hypothetically, be undefeated.

I definitely agree though with you TLU02SA, the TLU-HSU game on the 12th will be a game to keep an eye on.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on August 29, 2015, 02:56:44 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on August 28, 2015, 02:30:23 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on August 25, 2015, 10:03:28 PM
So did anyone in TLUGoat territory pick up Kickoff? Thoughts?

Sure did.  Did not get around to reading it until late this week.  I liked the interview with Barrolle.  Guy seems like he is humble.  I thought it was interesting that they selected the Trinity game as the game that will define TLU's season.  Don't get me wrong, Trinity is going to be one of the toughest games of the year.  Trinity is always good, the game is in San Antonio and the game will go a long way to determining the SCAC champion.  It just is not the game that I am most looking forward to.  Not even the second.  I can't wait to catch TLU's home opener against Hardin-Simmons and, of course, the rematch in Belton against UMHB.  TLU released its media guide this week as well.  Coach Padron says he thinks this is the best team he has had at TLU.  I hope he is right and am looking forward to another fun season.

I think ones best team is relative. I know what he is saying, but in very rare situations will a coach discuss a previous team as being a better team.

HSU will come out blazing. If their D is as tough as they were vs UMHB last year, TLU will have a long day.

I certainly hope/think that UMHB will have a better mental season this year. Some young studs on both sides need to step up to take on TLU. Looking forward to it.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on August 29, 2015, 05:11:57 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on August 28, 2015, 05:02:51 PM
The Trinity game is so important because it's potentially an elimination game if TLU loses the week before.

I agree.  I don't mean to disrespect Trinity at all.  I think Trinity will be very tough, especially at Trinity and given the fact that TLU has won that game the past two seasons.  I bet Trinity has that game circled on their calendar.  My excitement for Hardin-Simmons has a lot to do with the game being TLU's home opener and HS is a very good team. The UMHB game certainly has a rematch factor to it. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on September 01, 2015, 04:13:04 PM
Nice article out of Corpus Christi about Barrolle, after reading it you will understand where you he gets all his energy.

http://www.caller.com/sports/local/barrolle-tlu-football-aiming-high-after-historic-2014-season-0c7cd5bb-4a8e-3c23-e053-0100007faaa4-323537731.html
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Post by: scaccommish on September 01, 2015, 05:17:47 PM
Today we released the 2015 SCAC Football Preseason Media Guide:

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/2015_fball_media_guide (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/2015_fball_media_guide)

Kudos to Assistant Commissioner Katie Mucci for her great work in putting this together as well as a special tip of the cap to the SCAC football SIDs for their assistance.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 02, 2015, 02:24:22 PM
Quote from: crufootball on September 01, 2015, 04:13:04 PM
Nice article out of Corpus Christi about Barrolle, after reading it you will understand where you he gets all his energy.

http://www.caller.com/sports/local/barrolle-tlu-football-aiming-high-after-historic-2014-season-0c7cd5bb-4a8e-3c23-e053-0100007faaa4-323537731.html

That is funny.  Pretty sure the pre-game routine is not coming from the coaches and training staff.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on September 03, 2015, 03:40:48 PM
One other item of interest - As part of SCAC media days, we have posted interviews with each of the SCAC head football coaches plus a student-athlete from the offensive and defensive side of the ball.

Access these interviews on our YouTube page (http://www.youtube.com/scacsports) or from this release:

http://www.scacsports.com/news/scac_fall_media_days_15 (http://www.scacsports.com/news/scac_fall_media_days_15)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 05, 2015, 02:50:25 PM
Austin College is winning 21-14 with 12:40 left in 2nd quarter.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 05, 2015, 03:34:28 PM
Halftime AC 42-Hendrix 35
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 05, 2015, 09:54:44 PM
That was quite possibly the craziest first half of football I've seen, at least at the D3 level, in Sherman today. Unbelievable.

The second quarter alone had 56 combined points.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 05, 2015, 10:30:54 PM
Looks like TLU had a good offensive game but a sluggish defensive game. Thoughts?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2015, 11:00:24 PM
Trinity continued the improvement it showed at the end of last season with a 23-16 win at Howard Payne, with HPU scoring a TD with a few seconds left to make the game look closer than it really was.    Jeremy Simmons scored three times and had 179 yards on 33 carries to lead the Trinity offensive attack, and Julian Turner had 16 tackles (4 solo) to lead the defensive charge.   

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 05, 2015, 11:02:55 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 05, 2015, 10:30:54 PM
Looks like TLU had a good offensive game but a sluggish defensive game. Thoughts?

It was not TLU's best game, offensively and defensively.  TLU shot out to a 13 - 0 lead (missed an extra point off a bad snap) within the first 7 minutes of the game and looked like they would cruise to victory.  Then made multiple mistakes to keep Sul Ross St. in the game.  4 turnovers (2 fumbles, 2 interceptions, which I believe were all deep in Sul Ross territory) and giving up big plays (like allowing a 90+ yard touchdown on a pass with less than 2 minutes left in the first half).  It was not until the 4th quarter that they pulled it all together to take the game over.  The game was tied 27 - 27 early in the 4th before TLU scored 17 unanswered to end the game. 

What was encouraging was Jekovan Holmes' performance. True Freshman wide receiver.  A lot of big plays including three touchdown receptions.  Very good debut and a player to watch.

Sul Ross State is much improved.  Especially on offense.

How did UMHB look?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 05, 2015, 11:06:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2015, 11:00:24 PM
Trinity continued the improvement it showed at the end of last season with a 23-16 win at Howard Payne, with HPU scoring a TD with a few seconds left to make the game look closer than it really was.    Jeremy Simmons scored three times and had 179 yards on 33 carries to lead the Trinity offensive attack, and Julian Turner had 16 tackles (4 solo) to lead the defensive charge.

Sounds like a pretty good start for the SCAC outside of Southwestern's loss to Hardin-Simmons.  Southwestern is still a new program but I expected that game to be much closer.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 05, 2015, 11:21:44 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on September 05, 2015, 11:02:55 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 05, 2015, 10:30:54 PM
Looks like TLU had a good offensive game but a sluggish defensive game. Thoughts?

It was not TLU's best game, offensively and defensively.  TLU shot out to a 13 - 0 lead (missed an extra point off a bad snap) within the first 7 minutes of the game and looked like they would cruise to victory.  Then made multiple mistakes to keep Sul Ross St. in the game.  4 turnovers (2 fumbles, 2 interceptions, which I believe were all deep in Sul Ross territory) and giving up big plays (like allowing a 90+ yard touchdown on a pass with less than 2 minutes left in the first half).  It was not until the 4th quarter that they pulled it all together to take the game over.  The game was tied 27 - 27 early in the 4th before TLU scored 17 unanswered to end the game. 

What was encouraging was Jekovan Holmes' performance. True Freshman wide receiver.  A lot of big plays including three touchdown receptions.  Very good debut and a player to watch.

Sul Ross State is much improved.  Especially on offense.

How did UMHB look?

UMHB started slowly in the first half only leading 14-3. The special teams was electric putting UMHB in a couple of good field positions, but penalties negated the big returns. The OLine looked improved from last year, but only returning two starters, a slow start was expected.

Zach Anderson, the QB, only had 5 completions, but he had two TD's and a rushing TD. The running game wasn't prolific but had 246 yds.

The D was stellar, harassing the OWU QB most of the night.

Here is a link to the write up.

http://www.cruathletics.com/news/2015/9/5/FB_0905151338.aspx (http://www.cruathletics.com/news/2015/9/5/FB_0905151338.aspx)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on September 06, 2015, 09:08:19 PM
I just wanted to post this so everyone going to Alpine Tx to play Sul Ross would know how you will be treated as an opposing team. When TLU arrived at the stadium for warm ups the gates on the visitor side for the team entrance were locked and the team had to stand out side in the 95 plus heat until someone came and unlocked the gate (about half hour). Then in the middle of the 3rd quarter the sprinklers on the visitors side of the field came on and caused a 15 minute rain delay when it did not rain. Then after the game the football locker rooms were locked (visitors side)so the team had to again wait 10 to 15 minutes till we got it opened so the team could shower before the 6 hour ride back to Sequin. Poor sportsman ship. What a disgrace, no respect at all. If you do not want to play a particular team do not put them on your schedule. I drove over 500 miles ( one way) to witness this welcome for our team. I can only hope that the rest of teams scheduled to play Sul Ross this season gets a better reception.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 06, 2015, 10:06:13 PM
Disorganization doesn't necessarily mean disrespect. It's opening week for everyone and I daresay Sul Ross State is a pretty bare-bones athletic department.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on September 07, 2015, 10:34:06 AM
I think it was mischievous, and disrespectful.
 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 07, 2015, 11:05:35 AM
I've dealt with some of the folks at Sul Ross personally in the past. I'd be shocked if it was malicious. As Pat said, it's probably more a case of disorganization and being short staffed.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 07, 2015, 06:20:30 PM
I tend to agree that it was more insufficient if not incompetent administrative support rather than an intentional "strategy" to gain an advantage.  The bigger issue is that responsibility should be placed on the administration and board of regents for what seems to be neglecting the athletic facilities and programs as a whole while allocating what appears to be a great deal of resources on the campus plant itself.   The campus looks incredible.  If SRSU is ever going to consistently attract quality student/athletes and maintain competitive athletic programs, they need to make a sincere effort to upgrade their facilities.  I'm sure it's hard enough to get kids from across Texas to attend and stay in Alpine when they are asked to play in sub-par facilities and on deficient athletic grounds.  Very unfair to their coaches and the kids.  TLU has done an outstanding job in this regard and is beginning to see the return. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2015, 06:35:55 PM
I will appreciate other inputs, but I believe that funding for athletics at state schools comes partly from a student fee that is more "visible" than the "activity fees" charged at private schools.

Were UT-Tyler to add football, the increase in the student fee would be "very noticeable".
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 07, 2015, 06:47:57 PM
Ralph..you are correct.  Most athletic programs are funded by student "intercollegiate athletic" fees and this could certainly be impacting the situation at SRSU.  However, fundraising methods and other creative means of raising funds should be pursued..and maybe they are.  It looks like the field house on the north end of the stadium is relatively new, so maybe they are progressing that way.  Not sure this has anything to do however with the glitches that occurred at the game on Saturday.  More of someone not taking care of business by making sure things were ready to go.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2015, 07:39:51 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on September 07, 2015, 06:47:57 PM
Ralph..you are correct.  Most athletic programs are funded by student "intercollegiate athletic" fees and this could certainly be impacting the situation at SRSU.  However, fundraising methods and other creative means of raising funds should be pursued..and maybe they are.  It looks like the field house on the north end of the stadium is relatively new, so maybe they are progressing that way.  Not sure this has anything to do however with the glitches that occurred at the game on Saturday.  More of someone not taking care of business by making sure things were ready to go.
I think that the field house (a capital improvement, Pete C Gallego Center) was the work of a legislator who could "bring home the pork, so to speak" as an all-events center for the univeristy. Kokernot Field, where baseball has been played since the late 1940's, is a piece of Texas Baseball history. Several major leaguers played baseball in Alpine, the Alpine Cowboys, including Jim Fregosi, Norm Cash, Gaylord Perry and Don Schwall

Imagine the bus trips those were.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpine_Cowboys


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kokernot_Field
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Post by: roocru on September 07, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
I just wanted everyone to know that I am still around.  I am not helping Ralph or doing any predictions due to the fact I will miss three weeks of the season due to a much anticipated three week vacation to Southern Africa during the latter part of the season.  I plan to be back in full participation mode for next year.  Once again, I will post when I think I can contribute to these boards.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 07, 2015, 10:26:38 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 07, 2015, 09:34:06 PM
I just wanted everyone to know that I am still around.  I am not helping Ralph or doing any predictions due to the fact I will miss three weeks of the season due to a much anticipated three week vacation to Southern Africa during the latter part of the season.  I plan to be back in full participation mode for next year.  Once again, I will post when I think I can contribute to these boards.
How 'bout them Roos!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 09, 2015, 07:37:35 PM
Anybody know what happened to Trinity's QB, Blaschke? I didn't see him go down with an injury but they took him out in favor of the junior Austin Grauer in the 3rd. I didn't know if the coaches were trying to jump start the offense by giving Grauer a chance after Blaschke had some troubles connecting with receivers or if it was something I missed.

Neither QB had much success through the air but I'd much rather prefer to have Blaschke in because of his wheels.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 09, 2015, 10:03:55 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 09, 2015, 07:37:35 PM
Anybody know what happened to Trinity's QB, Blaschke? I didn't see him go down with an injury but they took him out in favor of the junior Austin Grauer in the 3rd. I didn't know if the coaches were trying to jump start the offense by giving Grauer a chance after Blaschke had some troubles connecting with receivers or if it was something I missed.

Neither QB had much success through the air but I'd much rather prefer to have Blaschke in because of his wheels.

I must say it was fun to see that much offense by the Roos.  I hope that they continue to improve!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2015, 12:35:09 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 09, 2015, 07:37:35 PM
Anybody know what happened to Trinity's QB, Blaschke? I didn't see him go down with an injury but they took him out in favor of the junior Austin Grauer in the 3rd. I didn't know if the coaches were trying to jump start the offense by giving Grauer a chance after Blaschke had some troubles connecting with receivers or if it was something I missed.

Neither QB had much success through the air but I'd much rather prefer to have Blaschke in because of his wheels.

Unfortunately, this week's SAEN preview of the Willamette game says Blaschke is out for the season with a knee injury.   What a shame - it looked like he was getting his passing game on toward the end of the first half last week.   That means Austin Grauer (who got a lot of snaps in the scrimmage. but was clearly the #2 QB) gets his first career start this week. 

Gotta feel for Mason - second time in three years his season has been over before the end of the season-opening Howard Payne game.   I was at the game in 2013 where TU lost not just him but the second string QB.

http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college_sports/local_colleges/article/College-football-Williamette-at-Trinity-6498195.php

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 11, 2015, 10:56:02 PM
I am going to be in Seguin at my alma mater watching the Bulldogs take on Hardin-Simmons tomorrow.  Really looking forward to it.  Big game for both teams and I am predicting a close and hard fought game.  Go Bulldogs!!!  Can't wait!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 12, 2015, 08:22:34 PM
Austin Grauer is showing a nice passing touch so far as Trinity leads Willamette 21-6 at the half.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 12, 2015, 10:25:30 PM
HSU stuns TLU, although HSU is a great team. Will be interesting to see where these teams end up in the standings this week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2015, 12:02:02 AM
Trinity kept the ball on the ground most of the second half and comes away with perhaps their best win of the young Urban era, with a 35-6 win over a visiting Willamette team that defeated them 34-10 last year.   In his first career start, Austin Grauer goes 19-33-260 with 3 TDs and one interception off a deflection.    The Tiger defense recorded two interceptions, recovered two fumbles, and blocked a field goal attempt.

The Tigers are still a work in progress (the kick/punt coverage teams will see a lot of work this week, for one) but they're heading the right direction. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 13, 2015, 12:11:53 AM
Also have to congratulate Southwestern on their upset of McMurry tonight, 7-6.    What a turnaround after last week's debacle - a great job by Coach Austin and his staff.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 13, 2015, 03:13:08 PM
Really unfortunate there are no TLU fans on here. I miss the GOAT.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 13, 2015, 06:00:30 PM
Was at TLU vs. HSU game.  HSU is a good team and TLU wasn't at their best by any means.  Obviously, this is a pretty significant loss in terms of playoffs. However, you just never know what can happen.  Will be interesting to see how the team responds.  The coaching staff does a good job and there are some solid team leaders, so I expect them to bounce back and play very well vs. LC next week.  HSU has the potential to win the rest, although they will obviously need their best game to beat UMHB, but I don't necessarily think it's a gimmie for UMHB.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 13, 2015, 06:25:30 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on September 13, 2015, 06:00:30 PM
Was at TLU vs. HSU game.  HSU is a good team and TLU wasn't at their best by any means.  Obviously, this is a pretty significant loss in terms of playoffs. However, you just never know what can happen.  Will be interesting to see how the team responds.  The coaching staff does a good job and there are some solid team leaders, so I expect them to bounce back and play very well vs. LC next week.  HSU has the potential to win the rest, although they will obviously need their best game to beat UMHB, but I don't necessarily think it's a gimmie for UMHB.
TLU'S beating UMHB might set a "3-way" tie for the Pool B bid.   :)

Let's watch this.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 13, 2015, 10:14:41 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on September 13, 2015, 06:00:30 PM
Was at TLU vs. HSU game.  HSU is a good team and TLU wasn't at their best by any means.  Obviously, this is a pretty significant loss in terms of playoffs. However, you just never know what can happen.  Will be interesting to see how the team responds.  The coaching staff does a good job and there are some solid team leaders, so I expect them to bounce back and play very well vs. LC next week.  HSU has the potential to win the rest, although they will obviously need their best game to beat UMHB, but I don't necessarily think it's a gimmie for UMHB.

Agreed, and welcome to the board! +k!

In two games for the Cru, I can say that their D looks much more focused at the start than they did last year, so hopefully that will pay off. Would love to be at the HSU game. We'll see.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 14, 2015, 09:28:00 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 13, 2015, 10:14:41 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on September 13, 2015, 06:00:30 PM
Was at TLU vs. HSU game.  HSU is a good team and TLU wasn't at their best by any means.  Obviously, this is a pretty significant loss in terms of playoffs. However, you just never know what can happen.  Will be interesting to see how the team responds.  The coaching staff does a good job and there are some solid team leaders, so I expect them to bounce back and play very well vs. LC next week.  HSU has the potential to win the rest, although they will obviously need their best game to beat UMHB, but I don't necessarily think it's a gimmie for UMHB.

Agreed, and welcome to the board! +k!

In two games for the Cru, I can say that their D looks much more focused at the start than they did last year, so hopefully that will pay off. Would love to be at the HSU game. We'll see.

I was at the game Saturday night as well.  It was a really good game.  I didn't like the outcome but it was fun being there.  The game winning touchdown catch by HSU was spectacular.  Fade to the corner of the end zone. WR stretched out and caught it while falling out of bounds.  I thought TLU's CB had pretty good coverage on the play as well.  I was impressed by HSU's QB and OL.

TLU was down 26-14 early in the third and showed a lot of heart to come back and take the lead 27-26 late in the 4th.  I agree with Royal85.  TLU's coaching staff is very good and TLU has some very talented players.  I bet they bounce back from this game next week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 14, 2015, 12:40:12 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on September 14, 2015, 09:28:00 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 13, 2015, 10:14:41 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on September 13, 2015, 06:00:30 PM
Was at TLU vs. HSU game.  HSU is a good team and TLU wasn't at their best by any means.  Obviously, this is a pretty significant loss in terms of playoffs. However, you just never know what can happen.  Will be interesting to see how the team responds.  The coaching staff does a good job and there are some solid team leaders, so I expect them to bounce back and play very well vs. LC next week.  HSU has the potential to win the rest, although they will obviously need their best game to beat UMHB, but I don't necessarily think it's a gimmie for UMHB.

Agreed, and welcome to the board! +k!

In two games for the Cru, I can say that their D looks much more focused at the start than they did last year, so hopefully that will pay off. Would love to be at the HSU game. We'll see.

I was at the game Saturday night as well.  It was a really good game.  I didn't like the outcome but it was fun being there.  The game winning touchdown catch by HSU was spectacular.  Fade to the corner of the end zone. WR stretched out and caught it while falling out of bounds.  I thought TLU's CB had pretty good coverage on the play as well.  I was impressed by HSU's QB and OL.

TLU was down 26-14 early in the third and showed a lot of heart to come back and take the lead 27-26 late in the 4th.  I agree with Royal85.  TLU's coaching staff is very good and TLU has some very talented players.  I bet they bounce back from this game next week.

Great to see some TLU fans on the board. Go tell others to join! Oh, and check out the podcast as the game is mentioned and discussed.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on September 14, 2015, 02:55:26 PM
Got a question for the TLU faithful, are the 5 interceptions your QB has thrown due to any particular reason? There obviously is a lot of reasons that interceptions can happen but since the stat sheet doesn't say if it was a bad route or tipped ball I have to wonder if it is a cause of concern at all.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 14, 2015, 05:15:55 PM
2 or 3 of those interceptions could possibly be attributed to the fact that White is breaking in several new receivers this year.  They are talented, but may not yet be in sync (and they have played against two teams that have some talented players).   I am certain that the coaching staff is working hard to continue to develop that aspect. Unfortunately, TLU, or any SCAC or ASC team, doesn't have the luxury of having a couple of non-conference games to polish that up since they are in non-automatic qualifier conferences.  I am confident that the TLU offense will improve in efficiency and will continue to progress.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on September 14, 2015, 05:48:23 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on September 14, 2015, 05:15:55 PM
2 or 3 of those interceptions could possibly be attributed to the fact that White is breaking in several new receivers this year.  They are talented, but may not yet be in sync (and they have played against two teams that have some talented players).   I am certain that the coaching staff is working hard to continue to develop that aspect. Unfortunately, TLU, or any SCAC or ASC team, doesn't have the luxury of having a couple of non-conference games to polish that up since they are in non-automatic qualifier conferences.  I am confident that the TLU offense will improve in efficiency and will continue to progress.

Thanks for the info, like I said there are numerous reasons for an interception, some are correctable and some not. Also I have read that HSU is supposed to have a better defense this year which contributed to the interceptions. Look forward to seeing the Bulldogs on the 24th, I had to miss the playoff game last year but will definitely be in Belton to see our latest battle with you guys.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 17, 2015, 05:50:12 PM
The SCAC is represented in this week's Sports Illustrated: Austin College QB Cooper Woodyard was included in Faces in the Crowd after throwing for 311 and rushing for 86 in the team's week one victory over Hendrix.

http://acroos.com/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/20150917ql4q6x
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2015, 08:28:53 PM
Trinity up 16-0 at the half over Sul Ross; three lost fumbles, one at the Sul Ross 2, are keeping it closer than it should be.    Tigers lead on total offense, 269-95.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 19, 2015, 08:46:48 PM
Congratulations to my Roos. Dominating running game.  Intercepted six passes and ran three back for TD's.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 19, 2015, 09:15:35 PM
Is Barolle inured or what?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 20, 2015, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 19, 2015, 09:15:35 PM
Is Barolle inured or what?

I don't know the severity of it and I only watched on the webcast last night.  Barolle went down untouched, which is not his character at all.  He was cutting to his right off his left leg, pulled up and slid.  When you see guys go down like that, it never seems good. Needless to say, he did not return to the game.  I hope it is not severe and wish him the best on a quick recovery.

AJ Saucedo played a great game last night, both before and after Barolle's injury.  He has been a great counter-punch out to Barolle.  Much more straightforward runner.  Senior.  Just two seasons ago, he was TLU's leading rusher and an all-SCAC first teamer, if my memory is serving me correctly.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 20, 2015, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on September 20, 2015, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 19, 2015, 09:15:35 PM
Is Barolle inured or what?

I don't know the severity of it and I only watched on the webcast last night.  Barolle went down untouched, which is not his character at all.  He was cutting to his right off his left leg, pulled up and slid.  When you see guys go down like that, it never seems good. Needless to say, he did not return to the game.  I hope it is not severe and wish him the best on a quick recovery.

AJ Saucedo played a great game last night, both before and after Barolle's injury.  He has been a great counter-punch out to Barolle.  Much more straightforward runner.  Senior.  Just two seasons ago, he was TLU's leading rusher and an all-SCAC first teamer, if my memory is serving me correctly.

Thanks for the info. I tweeted at TLU and they didn't respond. I hope he recovers quickly!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 20, 2015, 02:45:47 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 20, 2015, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on September 20, 2015, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 19, 2015, 09:15:35 PM
Is Barolle inured or what?

I don't know the severity of it and I only watched on the webcast last night.  Barolle went down untouched, which is not his character at all.  He was cutting to his right off his left leg, pulled up and slid.  When you see guys go down like that, it never seems good. Needless to say, he did not return to the game.  I hope it is not severe and wish him the best on a quick recovery.

AJ Saucedo played a great game last night, both before and after Barolle's injury.  He has been a great counter-punch out to Barolle.  Much more straightforward runner.  Senior.  Just two seasons ago, he was TLU's leading rusher and an all-SCAC first teamer, if my memory is serving me correctly.

Thanks for the info. I tweeted at TLU and they didn't respond. I hope he recovers quickly!

I doubt TLU will respond.  I can never recall an instance where the athletic department announced an injury.  In any sport.  I recall the radio telecast giving updates about injuries but those are always the following week.  I would guess that Coach Padron will probably discuss in his weekly interview.

Before he left last night's game, Barolle had one of his leaping over the defenders touchdown.  He is an electric talent.  Fun to watch.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 20, 2015, 02:47:00 PM
Also want to say that the TLU defense played great last night.  Their best game of the season thus far.  TLU also cut down on the turnovers.  Overall, the Bulldog's best effort of the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 20, 2015, 05:46:22 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on September 20, 2015, 02:45:47 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 20, 2015, 10:13:45 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on September 20, 2015, 09:45:11 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 19, 2015, 09:15:35 PM
Is Barolle inured or what?

I don't know the severity of it and I only watched on the webcast last night.  Barolle went down untouched, which is not his character at all.  He was cutting to his right off his left leg, pulled up and slid.  When you see guys go down like that, it never seems good. Needless to say, he did not return to the game.  I hope it is not severe and wish him the best on a quick recovery.

AJ Saucedo played a great game last night, both before and after Barolle's injury.  He has been a great counter-punch out to Barolle.  Much more straightforward runner.  Senior.  Just two seasons ago, he was TLU's leading rusher and an all-SCAC first teamer, if my memory is serving me correctly.

Thanks for the info. I tweeted at TLU and they didn't respond. I hope he recovers quickly!

I doubt TLU will respond.  I can never recall an instance where the athletic department announced an injury.  In any sport.  I recall the radio telecast giving updates about injuries but those are always the following week.  I would guess that Coach Padron will probably discuss in his weekly interview.

Before he left last night's game, Barolle had one of his leaping over the defenders touchdown.  He is an electric talent.  Fun to watch.

And really, they can't respond. HIPAA forbids any medical specifics to be disclosed. Student-athletes sign a waiver but it really only pertains to disclosing medical information to the NCAA and the college/University itself. Obviously, things are a little different at the D1 level, where they include the media in those waivers, but at the D3 level it only covers schools/conferences/and any NCAA committees.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2015, 06:15:27 PM
Well, there's some discussion about HIPAA. The coaches and SID are not the people providing health care to student-athletes and my understanding is that while they may conveniently hide behind HIPAA, they are not bound by its provisions.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 20, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
TLU defense did play better..Trent White had a solid game and Saucedo stepped up. Not as sloppy as last week and it's too bad we weren't sharper vs HSU where we didn't play well and were still in position to win and probably should have. But, TLU responded well and now face a confident SAGU team with a strong running game. NAIA vs NCAA...TLU needs to make a statement as does Whitewater on Thursday. Coaching staff at TLU will have them ready.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 20, 2015, 06:27:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on September 20, 2015, 06:15:27 PM
Well, there's some discussion about HIPAA. The coaches and SID are not the people providing health care to student-athletes and my understanding is that while they may conveniently hide behind HIPAA, they are not bound by its provisions.

I think you are right but a murky area of the law.  Still, with the minimal media interest and the fact that D3 student-athletes are not financial boons for the university (or gambling), a D3 program deciding not disclose medical issues with their student-athletes is entirely reasonable, HIPAA or not. I understand that many D3 schools start football programs for the increase in enrollment and, in turn, tuition.  I also realize that in some instances that is profitable for the university but I am skeptical that is the case in a majority of situations, if any.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 20, 2015, 09:39:31 PM
All I was asking was if he left the game for an apparent injury. Nobody responded, but nobody responded to me from UMHB either when I noticed their starting LT was on the sideline with no pads.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 21, 2015, 12:33:02 AM
Quote from: Royal85 on September 20, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
TLU defense did play better..Trent White had a solid game and Saucedo stepped up. Not as sloppy as last week and it's too bad we weren't sharper vs HSU where we didn't play well and were still in position to win and probably should have. But, TLU responded well and now face a confident SAGU team with a strong running game. NAIA vs NCAA...TLU needs to make a statement as does Whitewater on Thursday. Coaching staff at TLU will have them ready.

SAGU is definitely better than I expected. It'll be interesting to see how they handle a high powered offensive team like TLU. They have a pretty solid defense, and their QB to TE combo is pretty darned good. AC had absolutely no luck running against them, and this is with a guy (Madison Ross) who is averaging 198.5 yards against the two other teams AC has played this year. They held him to 62 yards on 20 carries.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bombers798891 on September 21, 2015, 09:31:30 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 20, 2015, 09:39:31 PM
All I was asking was if he left the game for an apparent injury. Nobody responded, but nobody responded to me from UMHB either when I noticed their starting LT was on the sideline with no pads.

Well, it's also a strategy concern. I wrote a weekly wrestling column for a few years, and one week, I asked a coach if a wrestler was going to be in action that week for a big match. He told me yes, so I put that in the column, which ran the morning of the match. That night, he doesn't wrestle, and I ask the coach about it. Turns out they had known all week that he wasn't going to go, but he didn't tell me because he didn't want the info in my article to get to the coaching staff of the Iowa State Cyclones, which would apparently allow them to make some strategic adjustment before the match.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on September 21, 2015, 10:49:44 AM
Quote from: Bombers798891 on September 21, 2015, 09:31:30 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 20, 2015, 09:39:31 PM
All I was asking was if he left the game for an apparent injury. Nobody responded, but nobody responded to me from UMHB either when I noticed their starting LT was on the sideline with no pads.

Well, it's also a strategy concern. I wrote a weekly wrestling column for a few years, and one week, I asked a coach if a wrestler was going to be in action that week for a big match. He told me yes, so I put that in the column, which ran the morning of the match. That night, he doesn't wrestle, and I ask the coach about it. Turns out they had known all week that he wasn't going to go, but he didn't tell me because he didn't want the info in my article to get to the coaching staff of the Iowa State Cyclones, which would apparently allow them to make some strategic adjustment before the match.

Very true, especially with a player as good as Barolle is, it does TLU no favors to tell their next opponent whether he is going to play or not.

Another aspect that I would imagine comes into effect is that the teams really don't know the extent of the injury during the game. I can't believe many D3 programs are going to have the medical equipment on hand to absolutely know what happened until they can go to a hospital. Even when they do know since D3 doesn't have ESPN banging on doors to find answers, the information has no way of getting out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 21, 2015, 02:44:44 PM
Quote from: jekelish on September 21, 2015, 12:33:02 AM
Quote from: Royal85 on September 20, 2015, 06:22:26 PM
TLU defense did play better..Trent White had a solid game and Saucedo stepped up. Not as sloppy as last week and it's too bad we weren't sharper vs HSU where we didn't play well and were still in position to win and probably should have. But, TLU responded well and now face a confident SAGU team with a strong running game. NAIA vs NCAA...TLU needs to make a statement as does Whitewater on Thursday. Coaching staff at TLU will have them ready.

SAGU is definitely better than I expected. It'll be interesting to see how they handle a high powered offensive team like TLU. They have a pretty solid defense, and their QB to TE combo is pretty darned good. AC had absolutely no luck running against them, and this is with a guy (Madison Ross) who is averaging 198.5 yards against the two other teams AC has played this year. They held him to 62 yards on 20 carries.

SAGU is feeling very confident right now and will give TLU their best shot, no doubt.  They have recently had good players in certain positions but just not across the board.  I believe they are much better at more positions than they have been.  TLU won't look past SAGU because they can't afford to and the coaching staff will be sure to keep them focused on the task at hand.  Hardin-Simmons was a wake up call and I think there was a good deal of improvement this past week.  Can't afford to take a step back.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 22, 2015, 01:43:42 PM
http://d3football.com/awards/tow/2015/week3

Great recognition of the TLU offensive line in this week's D3 Football Team of the Week.  Well deserved.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2015, 01:57:58 PM
Any Southwestern fans out there?  I'm moving to Georgetown in a month.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on September 22, 2015, 02:52:57 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 22, 2015, 01:57:58 PM
Any Southwestern fans out there?  I'm moving to Georgetown in a month.

I'm only 20 minutes away from Georgetown.  I follow their sports feed on Twitter, but haven't had a chance to catch a game yet.  I'm a season-ticket owner at UMHB.  I like what they're doing down there, though!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on September 22, 2015, 04:36:58 PM
I met Kelly Boggs at the OWU game.  I'm planning on going to the Southwestern-TLU game Nov 14, since it doesn't conflict with CWRU game, but hope to be in Belton for playoffs.  Two seasons ago I was at the Rowan and UWW games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 22, 2015, 06:46:13 PM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 22, 2015, 01:57:58 PM
Any Southwestern fans out there?  I'm moving to Georgetown in a month.

Not a Southwestern Fan as the ID suggest but in addition to having Southwestern right there in Georgetown, TLU (Seguin), Trinity (San Antonio) and UMHB (Belton) are short drives (by Texas standards) down different freeways.  Good chance you can find a good game each week with those four schools nearby.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 22, 2015, 08:20:38 PM
I am at either an Austin College or a Mary Hardin Baylor game nearly every weekend.  I know all the shortcuts from Bryan to Sherman and Belton.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on September 23, 2015, 08:31:19 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on September 22, 2015, 04:36:58 PM
I met Kelly Boggs at the OWU game.  I'm planning on going to the Southwestern-TLU game Nov 14, since it doesn't conflict with CWRU game, but hope to be in Belton for playoffs.  Two seasons ago I was at the Rowan and UWW games.

Yeah, I remember you saying that.  So you decided on Georgetown over Copperas Cove?  Good choice.  I like Georgetown a lot more.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on September 23, 2015, 01:17:42 PM
Georgetown really has so much more to offer. Good place, even though it has grown by leaps and bounds over the last 20 years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on September 23, 2015, 10:17:45 PM
Last personal note here. Georgetown was always the goal, wasn't finding what I wanted there, so Cove, was to be temporary.  Then I found what I wanted in Georgetown.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on September 24, 2015, 08:07:36 AM
Since the Cru is off this week, I've considered taking in the Southwestern/Wisconsin-River Falls game in Georgetown.  If I do, I'll report back later and give my thoughts on the facilities and game experience.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2015, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on September 24, 2015, 08:07:36 AM
Since the Cru is off this week, I've considered taking in the Southwestern/Wisconsin-River Falls game in Georgetown.  If I do, I'll report back later and give my thoughts on the facilities and game experience.
UW-RF may be the weakest program in the WIAC. This will be a good gauge of the strength of Southwestern.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 24, 2015, 10:56:43 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 24, 2015, 09:57:14 AM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on September 24, 2015, 08:07:36 AM
Since the Cru is off this week, I've considered taking in the Southwestern/Wisconsin-River Falls game in Georgetown.  If I do, I'll report back later and give my thoughts on the facilities and game experience.
UW-RF may be the weakest program in the WIAC. This will be a good gauge of the strength of Southwestern.

We're holding onto our prediction of sixth in the eight-team league for now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on September 24, 2015, 06:15:59 PM
Good call Gill if I don't get called into my office, I'll give that a go too. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2015, 10:17:41 AM
Another year-over-year progress data point for Trinity today as they face their toughest opponent of the season to date with a visit to Pacific Lutheran.   The Lutes are rebuilding this season, but it'll still be a stout test for the Tigers who were walloped by PLU at home 38-14 last year.   

It won't get any easier next weekend, when a resurgent Hardin-Simmons pays Trinity a visit.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 26, 2015, 04:49:13 PM
Austin College improves to 3-1 for the first time since 1992.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 26, 2015, 07:37:03 PM
Nice win for Trinity at PLU today, 23-13 (second PLU TD scored with less than 30 seconds remaining).   The TU defense allowed 417 yards, all through the air (PLU rushed 20 times for a net zero yards).   The difference today was a +4 TO margin, making +10 on the season.     Tigers improve to 4-0 for first time since 2011.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 26, 2015, 10:30:59 PM
TLU looked great against SAGU tonight.  Really took control of the game on both sides of the ball.  Best game of the season so far for TLU.  The freshmen, Jakoven Holmes had two more touchdown receptions.  In four games, he has 6 touchdowns.  Looks like a special player.  Watched most of the Trinity v. PLU game as well.  Trinity's defense looks very good. Looking forward to that Halloween showdown this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on September 26, 2015, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: jekelish on September 26, 2015, 04:49:13 PM
Austin College improves to 3-1 for the first time since 1992.

Way to go, Roos!!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 27, 2015, 03:49:03 PM
Quote from: roocru on September 26, 2015, 11:19:12 PM
Quote from: jekelish on September 26, 2015, 04:49:13 PM
Austin College improves to 3-1 for the first time since 1992.

Way to go, Roos!!!!
Signs of the end times...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2015, 01:10:42 PM
I hope folks are reading Brian Lester's "Around the South" columns.   He's doing a good job of covering the teams that don't often see the spotlight and I think every team in the SCAC has gotten at least a paragraph or two so far.   As someone who had that job back in the dark ages, I know how hard it is to balance coverage between the teams that dominate play and those that may not but have interesting stories to tell, nonetheless.   Brian is doing a very fine job in that regard (and others). 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 30, 2015, 05:09:03 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 30, 2015, 01:10:42 PM
I hope folks are reading Brian Lester's "Around the South" columns.   He's doing a good job of covering the teams that don't often see the spotlight and I think every team in the SCAC has gotten at least a paragraph or two so far.   As someone who had that job back in the dark ages, I know how hard it is to balance coverage between the teams that dominate play and those that may not but have interesting stories to tell, nonetheless.   Brian is doing a very fine job in that regard (and others).
He certainly is. Kudos to him for sure. It's funny you post this today, I just heard from Brian earlier and he may wind up writing about another SCAC student-athlete in the very near future. I'm hoping he's able to, it's a guy very much worthy of getting a little bit of the spotlight, even though I know he'll hate getting any attention. Unfortunately for him - you're gonna get some attention when you're in the top 10 in the nation in rushing and also a 1st Team Academic All-American. And really, just a true representation of what D3 athletics should be about.

...not that I'm biased or anything.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Big game between two surprising undefeated teams in San Antonio this weekend ... Hardin-Simmons at Trinity.   Should be a great afternoon of football between two old foes trying to reclaim their place atop their respective conference standings. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 01, 2015, 06:22:52 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Big game between two surprising undefeated teams in San Antonio this weekend ... Hardin-Simmons at Trinity.   Should be a great afternoon of football between two old foes trying to reclaim their place atop their respective conference standings.

Should be a great game.  Although I wish the outcome of the TLU-HSU game was different, it was a great game to watch live.  I didn't think TLU played their best games and really hurt themselves with turnovers and penalties but I went away from that game impressed with HSU.  I suspect HSU and Trinity will be a similar, hard-fought game. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 01, 2015, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Big game between two surprising undefeated teams in San Antonio this weekend ... Hardin-Simmons at Trinity.   Should be a great afternoon of football between two old foes trying to reclaim their place atop their respective conference standings.

This is the most important game in D3 this weekend by quite a ways.  Playoff implications all over the place.  I'll definitely be following this one closely. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on October 01, 2015, 08:47:50 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Big game between two surprising undefeated teams in San Antonio this weekend ... Hardin-Simmons at Trinity.   Should be a great afternoon of football between two old foes trying to reclaim their place atop their respective conference standings.

It will also be an interesting game to me on a personal level, as I have friends and colleagues who are alumni from both universities.  It should be a good one!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 02, 2015, 10:23:29 AM
HSU has a solid team this year.  I haven't seen Trinity, but question whether they have played the competition that HSU has.  However, that doesn't matter much.  How they play against HSU is what matters, and if Trinity executes and doesn't make mistakes, they can get it done.  Not sure who I would like to win this one as I'm hoping TLU has a shot to get in the post-season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on October 02, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 01, 2015, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Big game between two surprising undefeated teams in San Antonio this weekend ... Hardin-Simmons at Trinity.   Should be a great afternoon of football between two old foes trying to reclaim their place atop their respective conference standings.

This is the most important game in D3 this weekend by quite a ways.  Playoff implications all over the place.  I'll definitely be following this one closely.

What about W&J @ TMC? Likely PAC championship game, although I'm hoping CWRU can beat W&J and have a shot against TMC at home in week 11.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 02, 2015, 10:38:17 AM
W&J @ TMC is interesting but I think both those teams can get a "C" with one loss, though TMC especially if SJF remembers how to play football.

I think the loser of HSU at Trinity is in a lot of trouble. HSU has to play UMHB, two losses coming from a Pool B conference (likely HSU's fate if they lose this one) is pretty much a non-starter for Pool C consideration. Trinity has this game and TLU as their only real quality opponents. Not playing UMHB pretty much leaves them out of the "B" conversation if UMHB does what they usually do. So now we have a one loss Trinity blocked by the team that beat them, HSU, each holding a win over TLU. Trinity won't get to the table easily that way.

In a lot of ways this is a true playoff elimination game in a way W&J @ TMC is not...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on October 02, 2015, 10:53:28 AM
Good points, that I thought of as well.  Agree TMC might have better shot at one loss Pool C than W&J, although Westminster should win out and be 8-2 with losses only to W&J and TMC and could be as good a win as TMC-SJF.  My concern was Wally's "by quite a ways."  Game may be not as important as TU-HSU, but a close second.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 02, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 02, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 01, 2015, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Big game between two surprising undefeated teams in San Antonio this weekend ... Hardin-Simmons at Trinity.   Should be a great afternoon of football between two old foes trying to reclaim their place atop their respective conference standings.

This is the most important game in D3 this weekend by quite a ways.  Playoff implications all over the place.  I'll definitely be following this one closely.

What about W&J @ TMC? Likely PAC championship game, although I'm hoping CWRU can beat W&J and have a shot against TMC at home in week 11.

jk makes a lot of the relevant points there, but what I'm saying about the HSU-Trinity game being most important basically hinges on it's implications in Pools B and C which affects absolutely everybody.  TMC-WJ is a big game, but it basically really only matters in the PAC (and then we'll see what happens to the loser down the road). 

As far as HSU-Trinity being an elimination game...I'm not quite ready to go there just yet.  HSU still has a game with UMHB that I'm not ruling them out of which could really shake things up as well.  This whole Texas-centric Pool B/C thing is a top 3 storyline to follow in the division this season.  Fascinating stuff. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 02, 2015, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 02, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 02, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 01, 2015, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Big game between two surprising undefeated teams in San Antonio this weekend ... Hardin-Simmons at Trinity.   Should be a great afternoon of football between two old foes trying to reclaim their place atop their respective conference standings.

This is the most important game in D3 this weekend by quite a ways.  Playoff implications all over the place.  I'll definitely be following this one closely.

What about W&J @ TMC? Likely PAC championship game, although I'm hoping CWRU can beat W&J and have a shot against TMC at home in week 11.

jk makes a lot of the relevant points there, but what I'm saying about the HSU-Trinity game being most important basically hinges on it's implications in Pools B and C which affects absolutely everybody.  TMC-WJ is a big game, but it basically really only matters in the PAC (and then we'll see what happens to the loser down the road). 

As far as HSU-Trinity being an elimination game...I'm not quite ready to go there just yet.  HSU still has a game with UMHB that I'm not ruling them out of which could really shake things up as well.  This whole Texas-centric Pool B/C thing is a top 3 storyline to follow in the division this season.  Fascinating stuff.

More like every year with the Texas Sub Bracket!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 02, 2015, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 02, 2015, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 02, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 02, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 01, 2015, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Big game between two surprising undefeated teams in San Antonio this weekend ... Hardin-Simmons at Trinity.   Should be a great afternoon of football between two old foes trying to reclaim their place atop their respective conference standings.

This is the most important game in D3 this weekend by quite a ways.  Playoff implications all over the place.  I'll definitely be following this one closely.

What about W&J @ TMC? Likely PAC championship game, although I'm hoping CWRU can beat W&J and have a shot against TMC at home in week 11.

jk makes a lot of the relevant points there, but what I'm saying about the HSU-Trinity game being most important basically hinges on it's implications in Pools B and C which affects absolutely everybody.  TMC-WJ is a big game, but it basically really only matters in the PAC (and then we'll see what happens to the loser down the road). 

As far as HSU-Trinity being an elimination game...I'm not quite ready to go there just yet.  HSU still has a game with UMHB that I'm not ruling them out of which could really shake things up as well.  This whole Texas-centric Pool B/C thing is a top 3 storyline to follow in the division this season.  Fascinating stuff.

More like every year with the Texas Sub Bracket!

It is a bit of a throwback to the days of the Texas sub bracket.  It's been a bit since we've had more than 1-2 postseason-relevant teams down in the Republic though, so what's going on down there through the first four weeks is really interesting. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 02, 2015, 03:43:19 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 02, 2015, 02:24:19 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 02, 2015, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 02, 2015, 11:54:16 AM
Quote from: ADL70 on October 02, 2015, 10:31:53 AM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 01, 2015, 07:08:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 01, 2015, 01:26:22 PM
Big game between two surprising undefeated teams in San Antonio this weekend ... Hardin-Simmons at Trinity.   Should be a great afternoon of football between two old foes trying to reclaim their place atop their respective conference standings.

This is the most important game in D3 this weekend by quite a ways.  Playoff implications all over the place.  I'll definitely be following this one closely.

What about W&J @ TMC? Likely PAC championship game, although I'm hoping CWRU can beat W&J and have a shot against TMC at home in week 11.

jk makes a lot of the relevant points there, but what I'm saying about the HSU-Trinity game being most important basically hinges on it's implications in Pools B and C which affects absolutely everybody.  TMC-WJ is a big game, but it basically really only matters in the PAC (and then we'll see what happens to the loser down the road). 

As far as HSU-Trinity being an elimination game...I'm not quite ready to go there just yet.  HSU still has a game with UMHB that I'm not ruling them out of which could really shake things up as well.  This whole Texas-centric Pool B/C thing is a top 3 storyline to follow in the division this season.  Fascinating stuff.

More like every year with the Texas Sub Bracket!

It is a bit of a throwback to the days of the Texas sub bracket.  It's been a bit since we've had more than 1-2 postseason-relevant teams down in the Republic though, so what's going on down there through the first four weeks is really interesting.

The best news is that almost all of these teams are playing each other this year.  HSU played TLU and still has Trinity and UMHB.  TLU will also play Trinity and UMHB.  The only teams not matching up are UMHB and Trinity.  This scheduling could create a real pecking order or a huge mess. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 03, 2015, 06:24:25 PM
Trinity could not get anything going through the air today, suffered turnovers at cruicial times, and made too many mistakes in losing to HSU 31-7.    Total yardage was surprisingly close but two interceptions made all the difference.   The first one came after the Tigers had made perhaps their best defensive stand in the first half and had the ball near midfield after a short punt.   Trailing 17-0.  a ball was tipped and then returned for a TD and HSU would never be challenged after that.   

Trinity avoided the shutout by scoring with 22 seconds left.   

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 03, 2015, 08:31:07 PM
UMHB will not look the same to the TLU offense or defense this time around. The pecking order will be what it's always been.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 03, 2015, 10:04:53 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 03, 2015, 08:31:07 PM
UMHB will not look the same to the TLU offense or defense this time around. The pecking order will be what it's always been.

We will see.  Looking forward to the game in Belton.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 04, 2015, 06:56:06 PM
UMHB will be formidable.  But one game at a time.  ETBU is next and that won't be a small task.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2015, 11:30:41 AM
With all the conference shakeups back east (http://d3football.com/notables/2015/10/ccc-brings-football-teams-in-house), the Liberty League is about to find themselves in the same position as the SCAC if they're not careful.    They have more options to poach add a couple of teams than the SCAC does, tho.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 07, 2015, 12:14:26 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on October 04, 2015, 06:56:06 PM
UMHB will be formidable.  But one game at a time.  ETBU is next and that won't be a small task.

Welcome to the boards! +k
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 07, 2015, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2015, 11:30:41 AM
With all the conference shakeups back east (http://d3football.com/notables/2015/10/ccc-brings-football-teams-in-house), the Liberty League is about to find themselves in the same position as the SCAC if they're not careful.    They have more options to poach add a couple of teams than the SCAC does, tho.

I am amazed at the constant conference shuffling in D3.  I would have thought D3 conferences would be more stable.  Obviously, TLU has been involved in that shuffling.  I have seen TLU change conferences twice.  First in 1999 when TLU joined the ASC upon changing its affiliation from NCAA D2/NAIA D1 to NCAA D3.  This move also coincided with TLU restarting its football program.  The second was the move to the SCAC.  In the referenced article, it certainly appears that certain conferences will lose their AQ.  You are right, the east coast schools do have more options and opportunities to reach that AQ threshold.  At this point, I don't see the SCAC regaining their football AQ unless more schools in Texas and surrounding states start up football programs or change their affiliation to D3.  I have not heard any rumors about either of these happening.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 08, 2015, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 07, 2015, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2015, 11:30:41 AM
With all the conference shakeups back east (http://d3football.com/notables/2015/10/ccc-brings-football-teams-in-house), the Liberty League is about to find themselves in the same position as the SCAC if they're not careful.    They have more options to poach add a couple of teams than the SCAC does, tho.

I am amazed at the constant conference shuffling in D3.  I would have thought D3 conferences would be more stable.  Obviously, TLU has been involved in that shuffling.  I have seen TLU change conferences twice.  First in 1999 when TLU joined the ASC upon changing its affiliation from NCAA D2/NAIA D1 to NCAA D3.  This move also coincided with TLU restarting its football program.  The second was the move to the SCAC.  In the referenced article, it certainly appears that certain conferences will lose their AQ.  You are right, the east coast schools do have more options and opportunities to reach that AQ threshold.  At this point, I don't see the SCAC regaining their football AQ unless more schools in Texas and surrounding states start up football programs or change their affiliation to D3.  I have not heard any rumors about either of these happening.

It makes things a lot more difficult when you don't have the AQ to rest on, of course, that just means that each week is a playoff game, cause if you lose one, you may not make it. I don't know that the SCAC will ever create a full league due to the relative sparseness of D3 schools who play football in our area. It seems that if a school opened in Houston or Galveston, they could do well to draw players and provide another outlet for football.

What amazes me is the fast enormity of players who play any kind of college ball. There are so many schools recruiting, it seems impossible to field these teams with any quality.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 09, 2015, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 08, 2015, 02:09:42 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 07, 2015, 01:01:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 05, 2015, 11:30:41 AM
With all the conference shakeups back east (http://d3football.com/notables/2015/10/ccc-brings-football-teams-in-house), the Liberty League is about to find themselves in the same position as the SCAC if they're not careful.    They have more options to poach add a couple of teams than the SCAC does, tho.

I am amazed at the constant conference shuffling in D3.  I would have thought D3 conferences would be more stable.  Obviously, TLU has been involved in that shuffling.  I have seen TLU change conferences twice.  First in 1999 when TLU joined the ASC upon changing its affiliation from NCAA D2/NAIA D1 to NCAA D3.  This move also coincided with TLU restarting its football program.  The second was the move to the SCAC.  In the referenced article, it certainly appears that certain conferences will lose their AQ.  You are right, the east coast schools do have more options and opportunities to reach that AQ threshold.  At this point, I don't see the SCAC regaining their football AQ unless more schools in Texas and surrounding states start up football programs or change their affiliation to D3.  I have not heard any rumors about either of these happening.

It makes things a lot more difficult when you don't have the AQ to rest on, of course, that just means that each week is a playoff game, cause if you lose one, you may not make it. I don't know that the SCAC will ever create a full league due to the relative sparseness of D3 schools who play football in our area. It seems that if a school opened in Houston or Galveston, they could do well to draw players and provide another outlet for football.

What amazes me is the fast enormity of players who play any kind of college ball. There are so many schools recruiting, it seems impossible to field these teams with any quality.

It does seem impossible but it just goes to show how good and deep Texas high school football is. 

I live in the Houston area and I don't see any schools in this area starting a D3 program any time soon. The only schools without a team in the area are the UH-Downtown, UH-Clear Lake, UH-Sugarland, and St. Thomas.  The UH affiliated colleges do not sponsor sports at all.  St. Thomas is a NAIA school but I have not heard anything about them starting a football program.  That would certainly be newsworthy here in Houston.  Unfortunately, it is what it is.  There are too many Texas/Louisiana D3 football programs for one conference and not enough for two. 

I have a question, does D3 have any rule that permits a conference championship game in football?  I am assuming they are not allowed because I have not heard of such a game being played and the playoffs start the weekend after the regular season ends.  Thus, there is no room to schedule it.  If it was permitted, a combined ASC/SCAC football only conference would work with twelve teams but would require a two division/conference championship setup.  I doubt the schools would have interest in that type of setup though.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on October 09, 2015, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 09, 2015, 12:50:49 PM

I have a question, does D3 have any rule that permits a conference championship game in football?  I am assuming they are not allowed because I have not heard of such a game being played and the playoffs start the weekend after the regular season ends.  Thus, there is no room to schedule it.  If it was permitted, a combined ASC/SCAC football only conference would work with twelve teams but would require a two division/conference championship setup.  I doubt the schools would have interest in that type of setup though.

Yes. The conference championship rule was actually established to benefit a DIII conference. I think it was the ECFC that had two divisions and petitioned and won the right to have a conference championship back in the 90s. They were the only DIII conference I can remember having one and they recently split into two conferences, ending the need.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on October 09, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 09, 2015, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 09, 2015, 12:50:49 PM

I have a question, does D3 have any rule that permits a conference championship game in football?  I am assuming they are not allowed because I have not heard of such a game being played and the playoffs start the weekend after the regular season ends.  Thus, there is no room to schedule it.  If it was permitted, a combined ASC/SCAC football only conference would work with twelve teams but would require a two division/conference championship setup.  I doubt the schools would have interest in that type of setup though.

Yes. The conference championship rule was actually established to benefit a DIII conference. I think it was the ECFC that had two divisions and petitioned and won the right to have a conference championship back in the 90s. They were the only DIII conference I can remember having one and they recently split into two conferences, ending the need.

To piggy-back on what jk said, the MWC currently hosts a conference championship game.  Those schools play 9 games between weeks 1 and 10, then in week 11 they pair off teams from each division in a 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, etc. format with the 1 vs 1 game being played for the league's championship and AQ. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ExTartanPlayer on October 09, 2015, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 09, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 09, 2015, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 09, 2015, 12:50:49 PM

I have a question, does D3 have any rule that permits a conference championship game in football?  I am assuming they are not allowed because I have not heard of such a game being played and the playoffs start the weekend after the regular season ends.  Thus, there is no room to schedule it.  If it was permitted, a combined ASC/SCAC football only conference would work with twelve teams but would require a two division/conference championship setup.  I doubt the schools would have interest in that type of setup though.

Yes. The conference championship rule was actually established to benefit a DIII conference. I think it was the ECFC that had two divisions and petitioned and won the right to have a conference championship back in the 90s. They were the only DIII conference I can remember having one and they recently split into two conferences, ending the need.

To piggy-back on what jk said, the MWC currently hosts a conference championship game.  Those schools play 9 games between weeks 1 and 10, then in week 11 they pair off teams from each division in a 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, etc. format with the 1 vs 1 game being played for the league's championship and AQ.

And just because I'm a stickler for detail, it was the NEFC (not the ECFC; that league is more recently formed) that used to have two divisions and played a conference championship game.  It's my understanding that the NEFC was a football-only league that served as a home for schools from a couple of different leagues that did not sponsor football, but then it split into the NEFC and MASCAC and now there's going to be more shuffling, there was a story on the D3 page recently.

(http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/10/ccc-brings-football-teams-in-house)

So, yeah.  You can have a conference title game, probably has to be something like the model wally describes here.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on October 09, 2015, 03:11:02 PM
Very interesting stuff.  Thanks for the info.  It may never happen with the ASC/SCAC, but it's nice to dream of a unified conference again.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 09, 2015, 09:24:03 PM
Quote from: ExTartanPlayer on October 09, 2015, 02:33:55 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on October 09, 2015, 02:00:44 PM
Quote from: jknezek on October 09, 2015, 01:10:59 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 09, 2015, 12:50:49 PM

I have a question, does D3 have any rule that permits a conference championship game in football?  I am assuming they are not allowed because I have not heard of such a game being played and the playoffs start the weekend after the regular season ends.  Thus, there is no room to schedule it.  If it was permitted, a combined ASC/SCAC football only conference would work with twelve teams but would require a two division/conference championship setup.  I doubt the schools would have interest in that type of setup though.

Yes. The conference championship rule was actually established to benefit a DIII conference. I think it was the ECFC that had two divisions and petitioned and won the right to have a conference championship back in the 90s. They were the only DIII conference I can remember having one and they recently split into two conferences, ending the need.

To piggy-back on what jk said, the MWC currently hosts a conference championship game.  Those schools play 9 games between weeks 1 and 10, then in week 11 they pair off teams from each division in a 1 vs 1, 2 vs 2, etc. format with the 1 vs 1 game being played for the league's championship and AQ.

And just because I'm a stickler for detail, it was the NEFC (not the ECFC; that league is more recently formed) that used to have two divisions and played a conference championship game.  It's my understanding that the NEFC was a football-only league that served as a home for schools from a couple of different leagues that did not sponsor football, but then it split into the NEFC and MASCAC and now there's going to be more shuffling, there was a story on the D3 page recently.

(http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/10/ccc-brings-football-teams-in-house)

So, yeah.  You can have a conference title game, probably has to be something like the model wally describes here.

Great info and thanks to all!  I don't see the Texas schools solving this issue any time soon for better or worse.  One of three things will have to occur to solve this log jam: additional Texas schools will need to start D3 football programs; schools reclassify to D3; or a football only conference with ASC/SCAC schools being created.  You would think eventually one of these would occur.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 10, 2015, 10:56:48 PM
Great showing by TLU tonight!!!  They really took control of the game on offense and defense.  HERE WE COME TO the cruthedral!!!!!  BULLDOGS ARE COMING TO RECTIFY THE ORDER IN TEXAS!!!  I am looking at you UMHB 2001!!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 11, 2015, 12:45:56 PM
I think everyone knows that TLU will need to be at full strength and play their best game in two weeks to have a chance.  The Cru has been playing very well and they are currently the undisputed "king of the hill" in Texas.  TLU has made tremendous strides under Coach Padron and his staff and they will have the team ready to play.  UMHB is always ready to play and I trust they will be again in two weeks.  Both teams are well-coached.  Hopefully it is a good, competitive game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on October 11, 2015, 02:11:54 PM
Let's just hope the weather is better than the last time the 2 teams met.  That wasn't fun for anyone.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Toby Taff on October 11, 2015, 04:37:54 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on October 11, 2015, 02:11:54 PM
Let's just hope the weather is better than the last time the 2 teams met.  That wasn't fun for anyone.
kind of sucked, actually. I had to miss Sunday because I had to be back in Abilene.

TLU02SA, I hear all the TLU talk from people but am reminded that last year @ TLU 72-16, in the playoffs 27-20 even though TLU had the ball for 48+ minutes, and it was 20-10 at the lightening delay when UMHB had the ball for less than 5 minutes. Then TLU loses to HSU this year. Are they better? yes. Are they in UMHBs strata? Not yet. I plan on making the trip. It'll be the first time I trust others t run my restaurant without me, so, I Think it'll be a good game. I don't think it'll be last year playoffs or regular season, but the result will still be a W for the CRU
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2015, 11:30:18 AM
Only game involving SCAC teams this week is Austin at Trinity in a non-conference game.   The 'Roos defense is among the nation's leaders in turnover margin, but they've been a bit up and down at 3-2 which includes their most recent game, a surprising 35-28 home loss at the hands of Southwestern.   Trinity will try and bounce back from their big loss to HSU.    Both teams have had a week to heal up and plan for this one. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 17, 2015, 12:51:31 PM
Very curious to see how this AC/Trinity game plays out. The story in AC's two losses this season has been the opposition's ability to stop Madison Ross. AC is 3-0 when he has a big day, and in the 2 losses, he's been held to an average of 64 yards per game (as opposed to 172 yards per game in the three wins).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 17, 2015, 06:33:08 PM
Trinity stopped the AC offense cold all day (102 yards) but kept shooting themselves in the foot (penalties, a blocked FG, a fake punt that went bad, a turnover on their 10 which led to the only Roo score).   AC won the field advantage battle, pinning Trinity deep most of the afternoon.   Finally, in the fourth quarter, a short crossing pattern turned into a long TD for Trinity, and on AC's ensuing first play the Tigers picked off a Roo pass at midfield and returned it to the AC 4, scoring a few plays later.    Another AC pass was returned for a TD a series or two later.

Trinity ended up with about 340 yards of offense but it was not a thing of beauty.   If they still had it, the TU defense would have earned the Black Flag for their play today.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 17, 2015, 06:40:19 PM
Matchup is set! UMHB rolls through their opponents to set up and undefeated Cru vs a one loss Bulldog team. Let's go!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 19, 2015, 10:12:39 AM
Looking forward to the Bulldogs visit to The CRUthedral.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 19, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Looking forward to the game this weekend too!  I have been trying to figure out how to make my schedule work to get to Belton. Unfortunately, my children's sports schedules are not cooperating and it looks like I will have to enjoy the game from home. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on October 19, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 19, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Looking forward to the game this weekend too!  I have been trying to figure out how to make my schedule work to get to Belton. Unfortunately, my children's sports schedules are not cooperating and it looks like I will have to enjoy the game from home.

I understand all too well.  I mean, I live close to Belton, but my son has a soccer game too.  Unfortunately, it falls at the same time as this game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 19, 2015, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on October 19, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 19, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Looking forward to the game this weekend too!  I have been trying to figure out how to make my schedule work to get to Belton. Unfortunately, my children's sports schedules are not cooperating and it looks like I will have to enjoy the game from home.

I understand all too well.  I mean, I live close to Belton, but my son has a soccer game too.  Unfortunately, it falls at the same time as this game.

I live in Houston and my son's soccer game starts at 10 am and daughter's game is at 11:30.  Just not enough time in a day! In the first half of a season, TLU's home games start at 6 pm but that they change to 1 pm start times in the last half of the season.  Sounds like UMHB does something similar.  I like those early season games because there is a chance I can make them.  I have never understood the reasoning behind 1 pm start times.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Warren Thompson on October 19, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
TLU02SA:

Perhaps the 1 pm starts are weather-related. I taught at Texas Lutheran back in the Dark Ages, and I remember how brutally chilly Seguin could be in October and November. After sunset the mercury might dip all the way down to the low 70s (and one memorable evening it was in the high 60s at kickoff).  ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on October 19, 2015, 10:48:13 PM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 19, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
TLU02SA:

Perhaps the 1 pm starts are weather-related. I taught at Texas Lutheran back in the Dark Ages, and I remember how brutally chilly Seguin could be in October and November. After sunset the mercury might dip all the way down to the low 70s (and one memorable evening it was in the high 60s at kickoff).  ;)

+k for making me snicker  :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 19, 2015, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 19, 2015, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on October 19, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 19, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Looking forward to the game this weekend too!  I have been trying to figure out how to make my schedule work to get to Belton. Unfortunately, my children's sports schedules are not cooperating and it looks like I will have to enjoy the game from home.

I understand all too well.  I mean, I live close to Belton, but my son has a soccer game too.  Unfortunately, it falls at the same time as this game.

I live in Houston and my son's soccer game starts at 10 am and daughter's game is at 11:30.  Just not enough time in a day! In the first half of a season, TLU's home games start at 6 pm but that they change to 1 pm start times in the last half of the season.  Sounds like UMHB does something similar.  I like those early season games because there is a chance I can make them.  I have never understood the reasoning behind 1 pm start times.

I think it has to do with travel. Because most teams don't fly to their games, it takes forever to travel. It could also have to do with the spirit of D3. Academics and all...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 20, 2015, 10:56:38 AM
Quote from: Warren Thompson on October 19, 2015, 07:23:42 PM
TLU02SA:

Perhaps the 1 pm starts are weather-related. I taught at Texas Lutheran back in the Dark Ages, and I remember how brutally chilly Seguin could be in October and November. After sunset the mercury might dip all the way down to the low 70s (and one memorable evening it was in the high 60s at kickoff).  ;)

Fantastic!   ;D
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 20, 2015, 11:01:09 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 19, 2015, 11:30:59 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 19, 2015, 06:51:06 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on October 19, 2015, 02:12:08 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 19, 2015, 01:47:53 PM
Looking forward to the game this weekend too!  I have been trying to figure out how to make my schedule work to get to Belton. Unfortunately, my children's sports schedules are not cooperating and it looks like I will have to enjoy the game from home.

I understand all too well.  I mean, I live close to Belton, but my son has a soccer game too.  Unfortunately, it falls at the same time as this game.

I live in Houston and my son's soccer game starts at 10 am and daughter's game is at 11:30.  Just not enough time in a day! In the first half of a season, TLU's home games start at 6 pm but that they change to 1 pm start times in the last half of the season.  Sounds like UMHB does something similar.  I like those early season games because there is a chance I can make them.  I have never understood the reasoning behind 1 pm start times.

I think it has to do with travel. Because most teams don't fly to their games, it takes forever to travel. It could also have to do with the spirit of D3. Academics and all...

I ask for selfish reasons.  It is far easier for me to get to 6 pm games.  I am sure there is a sound reason that makes it better for the schools and athletes.  For example, if the game this weekend started at 6 pm, the TLU team would not get back to Seguin until well after midnight.  My guess is that the only reason we have 6 pm games early in the season is due to the brutal Texas heat in August and September.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 20, 2015, 11:35:38 AM
If the game is played at all on Saturday. We have another round of storms scheduled to come through.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 20, 2015, 02:48:43 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 20, 2015, 11:35:38 AM
If the game is played at all on Saturday. We have another round of storms scheduled to come through.

I have seen the reports.  Hopefully, the game will be played.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 20, 2015, 10:35:51 PM
In his radio show today, Coach Fred noted that games can be rained out and not played at all during the season. That would not be good. thankfully this one starts at 1:00 and can be extended if need be without, hopefully, going to the next day.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2015, 08:42:13 AM
If the forecasters have it right (and we have seen plenty of cases where they have not, but ...), Saturday is going to be quite a washout throughout south and central Texas - at least both Trinity-SU and TLU-UMHB will be played on turf instead of grass.  AC plays on their home field, which is grass, and they're forecasting 2" of rain for Friday plus whatever comes down Saturday. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 21, 2015, 10:52:59 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2015, 08:42:13 AM
If the forecasters have it right (and we have seen plenty of cases where they have not, but ...), Saturday is going to be quite a washout throughout south and central Texas - at least both Trinity-SU and TLU-UMHB will be played on turf instead of grass.  AC plays on their home field, which is grass, and they're forecasting 2" of rain for Friday plus whatever comes down Saturday.

You never want to complain too much about rain in Texas.  I just hope the weather clears up enough to allow these games to be played and completed.  For TLU, to keep their playoff hopes alive, they must win.  If this game is rained out, TLU loses an opportunity to impress those who decide the at-large playoff berths.  It is obviously a huge hurdle for TLU this week but you don't want to lose that opportunity on account of the weather.  Trinity also needs every game to try to find a way into the playoffs too.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Kelly Boggs on October 21, 2015, 11:40:00 AM
The forecasts that I have seen indicate heavy rain, but nothing too severe. UMHB needs to leave no doubt over the next two weeks in order to get a good seeding come playoff time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 21, 2015, 01:03:41 PM
If there is heavy rain, I think that slightly favors TLU. UMHB's run game has not been explosive and time consuming. Barrolle has been injured, so that may slow them down a bit. I know our D is good, better than last year, and they will have to step it up to slow down this heavy run team.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 22, 2015, 08:52:58 AM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 21, 2015, 01:03:41 PM
If there is heavy rain, I think that slightly favors TLU. UMHB's run game has not been explosive and time consuming. Barrolle has been injured, so that may slow them down a bit. I know our D is good, better than last year, and they will have to step it up to slow down this heavy run team.

I wouldn't describe TLU as a run heavy offense.  The running game is important but TLU's offense is pretty well balanced.  They have a really good group of receivers.  TLU's QB, Trenton White, is in the top ten in passing TDs.  Jekovan Holmes, a freshman, is third in the nation with receiving TDs.  Caleb Oliver is a good threat down the field as well.  Here is a link to TLU's game day notes for this Saturday:

http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/10/21/FB_1021150946.aspx
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2015, 10:12:12 AM
The morning update for Fri-Sat (primarily) is 5-7" of rain with isolated amounts up to 12".  Everyone stay safe.   The forecast for Sunday looks better - though it looks like there's still a good chance of rain early in the day - and I wonder if any of the coaches and ADs are on the line looking at moving events.   It could have been worse had not today's storm system started pulling north and east (tho HSU and McMurry are about to get it; Fri/Sat, while wet, won't be as bad).

There are also UIL marching band competitions set for all day Saturday - you want to have fun, try marching in a downpour (not to mention the smell of several hundred hot wet band kids). 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 22, 2015, 08:52:58 AM
I wouldn't describe TLU as a run heavy offense.  The running game is important but TLU's offense is pretty well balanced.  They have a really good group of receivers.  TLU's QB, Trenton White, is in the top ten in passing TDs.  Jekovan Holmes, a freshman, is third in the nation with receiving TDs.  Caleb Oliver is a good threat down the field as well.  Here is a link to TLU's game day notes for this Saturday:

http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/10/21/FB_1021150946.aspx

From those notes - I was surprised to see TLU is doing most of their damage via the air this year:
The Bulldogs rank 10th in all of NCAA Division III in total offense, averaging 525.7 yards per game. TLU is 14th in passing offense and 57th in rushing offense.


Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on October 22, 2015, 10:55:52 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2015, 10:12:12 AM
The morning update for Fri-Sat (primarily) is 5-7" of rain with isolated amounts up to 12".  Everyone stay safe.   The forecast for Sunday looks better - though it looks like there's still a good chance of rain early in the day - and I wonder if any of the coaches and ADs are on the line looking at moving events.   It could have been worse had not today's storm system started pulling north and east (tho HSU and McMurry are about to get it; Fri/Sat, while wet, won't be as bad).

There are also UIL marching band competitions set for all day Saturday - you want to have fun, try marching in a downpour (not to mention the smell of several hundred hot wet band kids).

Been there done that.  As both a student and band camp instructor.  On a related note, I was a brass player... so we were out there in the rain no matter what.  The woodwinds got to goof off.

Back on topic, the rain has already descended on the Belton area.  As Ron said, stay safe out there.  Especially if you plan on traveling to the game(s) Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 22, 2015, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 22, 2015, 08:52:58 AM
I wouldn't describe TLU as a run heavy offense.  The running game is important but TLU's offense is pretty well balanced.  They have a really good group of receivers.  TLU's QB, Trenton White, is in the top ten in passing TDs.  Jekovan Holmes, a freshman, is third in the nation with receiving TDs.  Caleb Oliver is a good threat down the field as well.  Here is a link to TLU's game day notes for this Saturday:

http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/10/21/FB_1021150946.aspx

From those notes - I was surprised to see TLU is doing most of their damage via the air this year:
The Bulldogs rank 10th in all of NCAA Division III in total offense, averaging 525.7 yards per game. TLU is 14th in passing offense and 57th in rushing offense.

Could be partly due to the injury of Barrolle.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 22, 2015, 01:59:54 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on October 22, 2015, 01:29:27 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 22, 2015, 10:18:34 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on October 22, 2015, 08:52:58 AM
I wouldn't describe TLU as a run heavy offense.  The running game is important but TLU's offense is pretty well balanced.  They have a really good group of receivers.  TLU's QB, Trenton White, is in the top ten in passing TDs.  Jekovan Holmes, a freshman, is third in the nation with receiving TDs.  Caleb Oliver is a good threat down the field as well.  Here is a link to TLU's game day notes for this Saturday:

http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/10/21/FB_1021150946.aspx

From those notes - I was surprised to see TLU is doing most of their damage via the air this year:
The Bulldogs rank 10th in all of NCAA Division III in total offense, averaging 525.7 yards per game. TLU is 14th in passing offense and 57th in rushing offense.

Could be partly due to the injury of Barrolle.

I don't think so.  TLU has been running a spread offense since Coach Padron was hired.  In the last four years, the offense has relied heavily on the pass.  Like all spread offenses, TLU's relies on the WR screen but TLU will go deep and across the middle a lot.  In the playoff game last year, TLU ran the ball substantially more than in typical games.  I believe that was intended to keep the ball away from UMHB's offense.  I don't recall TLU using that offensive game plan in the past three years for any other game.  Maybe we see that again on Saturday and that would not surprise me.  However, that is not how TLU runs its offense week in and week out. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 24, 2015, 07:55:14 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 21, 2015, 08:42:13 AM
If the forecasters have it right (and we have seen plenty of cases where they have not, but ...), Saturday is going to be quite a washout throughout south and central Texas - at least both Trinity-SU and TLU-UMHB will be played on turf instead of grass.  AC plays on their home field, which is grass, and they're forecasting 2" of rain for Friday plus whatever comes down Saturday.
Just one quick correction Ron - AC plays on the road today, at Lyon College. There's supposed to be heavy rain there, too, but they play on field turf from what I'm told.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 24, 2015, 05:07:08 PM
Very frustrating game in Belton today.  TLU, from scrimmage, really held their own with UMHB.  Unfortunately, UMHB had two kickoff returns for touchdowns and blocked a point that resulted in the short field and touchdown. You have to almost be perfect in every aspect of your game against UMHB and TLU was not on special teams today.  Frustrating...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 25, 2015, 06:56:13 PM
TLU didn't back down and were not intimidated at all.  UMHB just executed well at key times of the game and converted mistakes into points. TLU's kick off coverage had some breakdowns and the defense took some chances that UMHB exploited a few times. That happens. TLU is not far off.  The players play very hard and the coaching staff has elevated that program from nothing to a highly competitive DIII program in a matter of 4 years or so.  Not sure they will get a sniff for a playoff spot, but it would be nice to see them get another shot.  Would really like them to get a chance at HSU again.  But, that's probably not in the cards.  The team needs to fully dominate these last 3 teams on the schedule. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 26, 2015, 01:03:42 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on October 25, 2015, 06:56:13 PM
TLU didn't back down and were not intimidated at all.  UMHB just executed well at key times of the game and converted mistakes into points. TLU's kick off coverage had some breakdowns and the defense took some chances that UMHB exploited a few times. That happens. TLU is not far off.  The players play very hard and the coaching staff has elevated that program from nothing to a highly competitive DIII program in a matter of 4 years or so.  Not sure they will get a sniff for a playoff spot, but it would be nice to see them get another shot.  Would really like them to get a chance at HSU again.  But, that's probably not in the cards.  The team needs to fully dominate these last 3 teams on the schedule.

I completely agree.  I believe TLU was 0 - 10 the year before Padron took over.  It is amazing how far the program has come.  I thought TLU played hard and very well on Saturday.  I really enjoyed the play of our defense and I the offense did a great job, after a slow start.  TLU's special teams play resulted in 21 points for UMHB.   Without those...the game could have played out differently.  TLU is very close to being a consistent top 25 team and the program, on a whole, has shown that there is some continuity to their success. 

I suspect TLU will continue their strong play these next three games.  Next weeks game against Trinity will be tough.  If I am not mistaken, Trinity's only loss was against HSU.  With the game being at Trinity, the Tigers will be extremely tough and it will take another good showing by TLU to win. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 26, 2015, 07:55:08 PM
I believe the defense is better this year.  They did a good job slowing down UMHB's run game.  That did allow UMHB to take advantage of man coverage a couple of times, but that is going to happen sometimes, especially against a very good team.  Trinity is 6-1 and lost to HSU 30-7. They held HSU to under 300 total yards, so TLU will have their work cut out for them. Trinity was receiving votes in the D3 poll earlier this year until their one loss.  Not sure why they aren't getting a little acknowledgment in the poll other than maybe they consider their opponents to be pretty weak. It is a rivalry game and it will be intense.  Trinity used to be the king of the SCAC but TLU has taken that over.  Trinity will do their very best to get that back.  If TLU dominates Trinity, I think that should be considered a pretty good win and maybe boost TLU's stock a little. Should be a fun game.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on October 26, 2015, 10:19:17 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on October 26, 2015, 07:55:08 PM
I believe the defense is better this year.  They did a good job slowing down UMHB's run game.  That did allow UMHB to take advantage of man coverage a couple of times, but that is going to happen sometimes, especially against a very good team.  Trinity is 6-1 and lost to HSU 30-7. They held HSU to under 300 total yards, so TLU will have their work cut out for them. Trinity was receiving votes in the D3 poll earlier this year until their one loss.  Not sure why they aren't getting a little acknowledgment in the poll other than maybe they consider their opponents to be pretty weak. It is a rivalry game and it will be intense.  Trinity used to be the king of the SCAC but TLU has taken that over.  Trinity will do their very best to get that back.  If TLU dominates Trinity, I think that should be considered a pretty good win and maybe boost TLU's stock a little. Should be a fun game.

TLU is ranked 25 still. That's not bad. This week could be a let down week for TLU coming off a loss that I'm sure, after last year's post season loss, TLU felt they could come in and win over the Cru. I expect TLU to win, but I wouldn't be surprised if they lost.

That being said, I was very pleased with the team this year and last. They work hard and show grit where other TLU teams have been beaten before playing us. Much props to the team, coaching staff, and school for building a winning attitude in Seguin. Only positive things can come of this for the South.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on October 31, 2015, 04:39:24 PM
Hard fought game by both TLU and Trinity. Trinity's offense put their defense in a bunch of bad positions but the defense played spectacular. Trinity's running game could never get going and I was absolutely dumbfounded by Coach Urban's decision to run the wildcat on consecutive critical 3rd and 4th down plays on TLU's 15 with 3:00 minutes to play and down by a touchdown.

Great win for TLU but a loss for Trinity that will leave a bad taste in their mouth for the remainder of the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on October 31, 2015, 04:45:56 PM
Quote from: tigerguy on October 31, 2015, 04:39:24 PM
Hard fought game by both TLU and Trinity. Trinity's offense put their defense in a bunch of bad positions but the defense played spectacular. Trinity's running game could never get going and I was absolutely dumbfounded by Coach Urban's decision to run the wildcat on consecutive critical 3rd and 4th down plays on TLU's 15 with 3:00 minutes to play and down by a touchdown.

Great win for TLU but a loss for Trinity that will leave a bad taste in their mouth for the remainder of the season.

A great win but possibly controversial.  The fumble by the Trinity receiver in the second quarter when it appeared he would be walking it into the end zone.  Seems the Trinity fans there believed he did score.  I was watching online and could not tell whether he had crossed into the endzone.  The TLU play by play and color commentator said from their vantage point, they could not tell either way.  The official that made the call was right there and immediately and demonstrably threw his black bag (or is it a disc?) into the field of play indicating the fumble.  That call goes Trinity's way, the outcome could have been different.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2015, 05:12:56 PM
We were sitting on the other end of the field but you have to let the guy on the spot make the call.  It's a shame, the whole dynamic of the game could have been quite different.

The TU offense finally got got going in the 2nd half, but those wildcat plays at the end were odd.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2015, 08:55:48 PM
One other note - Barolle tweaked something in his first series and did not return.   Saucedo went the rest of the way for TLU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 31, 2015, 09:23:31 PM
Rivalry game win against a one loss team. Field conditions were terrible for both teams. Why wouldn't a school like Trinity not have turf? It's always a tough game..Trinity really wants to reclaim the title. Was good to see better kick coverage by TLU. With HSU's win, would be interested if this improves TLU's chances for a pool c bid.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 31, 2015, 09:53:34 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on October 31, 2015, 09:23:31 PM
Rivalry game win against a one loss team. Field conditions were terrible for both teams. Why wouldn't a school like Trinity not have turf? It's always a tough game..Trinity really wants to reclaim the title. Was good to see better kick coverage by TLU. With HSU's win, would be interested if this improves TLU's chances for a pool c bid.
TLU gets thrown into the mix with CWRU. Let's look at the regional rankings to see where TLU and CWRU fit.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 31, 2015, 10:26:19 PM
Really don't see how HSU winning helps TLU.   The Bulldogs still lost to UMHB who lost to HSU.   If UMHB had won, then you have TLU losing to HSU who lost to UMHB.   It's a wash, in either case the loser of HSU-UMHB is on the board before TLU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on November 01, 2015, 07:43:16 AM
I certainly don't expect either UMHB or HSU to be ranked below TLU.  In fact, that would be flat wrong.  I'm just wondering if TLU might be considered for one of the Pool C bids after everything plays out next week.  I know it's probably a long shot, but I guess we'll see.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2015, 09:28:45 AM
There are six Pool C bids.   If UMHB gets one (assumes HSU gets the B) then TLU competes for one of five left with every one- and two-loss second place Pool A team in the country.   Barring a huge upset of UW-Oshkosh by the WIAC back markers, UW-Whitewater will get one of those, leaving four.   If UMHB doesn't get one (and their SOS isn't very good; might have been better for TLU to have HSU lose as their SOS is much higher), TLU won't either.

TLU has a good SOS which will come down when they play 1-5 (vs D3) Southwestern.   Austin is 4-2 vs D3 but would be only 4-4 should they lose to TLU and Trinity in their last two games.

Pat and the guys will have a story on how Pool C is shaking out pretty soon - I'd imagine they may touch on it in the podcast or Ryan will in ATN. 

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 02, 2015, 12:53:43 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2015, 09:28:45 AM
There are six Pool C bids.   If UMHB gets one (assumes HSU gets the B) then TLU competes for one of five left with every one- and two-loss second place Pool A team in the country.   Barring a huge upset of UW-Oshkosh by the WIAC back markers, UW-Whitewater will get one of those, leaving four.   If UMHB doesn't get one (and their SOS isn't very good; might have been better for TLU to have HSU lose as their SOS is much higher), TLU won't either.

TLU has a good SOS which will come down when they play 1-5 (vs D3) Southwestern.   Austin is 4-2 vs D3 but would be only 4-4 should they lose to TLU and Trinity in their last two games.

Pat and the guys will have a story on how Pool C is shaking out pretty soon - I'd imagine they may touch on it in the podcast or Ryan will in ATN.

Interesting information.  Just reviewing the top 25, which I understand has no bearing on the at-large bids, there appears to be nine or ten teams with 1 to 3 losses that will be competing for those 6 Pool C bids.  Obviously, a lot can change in two weeks.  Maybe that number decreases.  TLU will definitely be considered for a Pool C bid.  Whether they actual receive one, I don't know.  It seems more likely today than just a week ago but you never know how it will all play out.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on November 02, 2015, 04:41:23 PM
If ETBU could play HSU tight or even knock them off this week, I suppose that could somewhat support the case for TLU to receive a bid.  Or maybe not.  Who knows how the committee thinks.  However, with a tight loss vs HSU, a game TLU really should have won, and a win on a crappy field against a 6-1 (now 6-2) Trinity team who's only previous loss was to HSU, I would think they have at least a shot.  TLU wasn't blown out or dominated by UMHB like they were last year during the regular season. It was a competitive game that turned on really about 4 plays. But a win is a win and a loss is a loss and, at the end of the day, the committee will determine the bracket.  Rankings this Wed should be interesting.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 02, 2015, 06:28:51 PM
The ATN Podcast outlined the brackets and scenarios nicely. There are some things that can happen but who knows. An HSU Loss to ETBU and UMHB Win Over ETBU is a nightmare scenario, or if ETBU can pull off two wins (HSU and UMHB) than wow who knows
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on November 02, 2015, 07:11:07 PM
Following Wally Wabash guide lines, HSU, should they win out, they will get the 1 pool B bid. Then UMHB should they win out, should be placed on the table for the first round of pool C then should they get drawn in whatever round, another team from the south region would be placed on the table for the next round after that. That's how I understand the selection process after reading Wally"s post.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 02, 2015, 10:57:16 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 02, 2015, 07:11:07 PM
Following Wally Wabash guide lines, HSU, should they win out, they will get the 1 pool B bid. Then UMHB should they win out, should be placed on the table for the first round of pool C then should they get drawn in whatever round, another team from the south region would be placed on the table for the next round after that. That's how I understand the selection process after reading Wally"s post.
Yes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2015, 02:58:06 PM
First regional rankings are out ... TLU at #9 in south.

http://d3football.com/playoffs/2015/first-regional-ranking
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 07, 2015, 05:58:18 PM
TLU played great today and took care of their business.  I thought it was one of their best overall games all year (TLU's win in Marshall is looking even better today and, by the way, TLU blew ETBU out that night).

Just want to give some recognition to the 12 TLU Seniors.  Today was their last regular season game in Seguin.  This class easily has the best winning percentage over their tenure than any other class during TLU's D3 era.  When those guys stepped onto TLU's campus as freshman, they were taking a chance on a program that was less than middling.  Coach Padron and his staff were turning the program around then but it was still hard to see.  The coaching staff has done a fantastic job of identifying exceptional talent but, ultimately, it is the players who make the plays.  It is truly unbelievable where TLU's football program is and those 12 men have made substantial contributions to re-establishing TLU football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on November 09, 2015, 08:58:01 PM
Well said and on-point.  I'm not sure how much of chance they have, but it sure would be rewarding to see these 12 finish off their careers in the playoffs.  But if not, they can take pride in the fact that they had a great deal of success and have been instrumental in elevating TLU from a lowly D3 also-ran to a nationally recognized program.  Kudos to these 12, the coaching staff, the athletic administration and the university administration, staff, faculty and student body.  Job well-done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
While TLU will win the SCAC championship again this year (and congratulations to the Bulldogs and their fans), I want to give a shout out to Trinity for going from 4-6 to 8-2 despite losing their starting QB in the first game this season.   Thanks to the seniors who helped right the ship and set the standard for future success!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on November 14, 2015, 08:50:07 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
While TLU will win the SCAC championship again this year (and congratulations to the Bulldogs and their fans), I want to give a shout out to Trinity for going from 4-6 to 8-2 despite losing their starting QB in the first game this season.   Thanks to the seniors who helped right the ship and set the standard for future success!

A strong Trinity only helps D3 in Texas, helps the SCAC, and gives UMHB and the other ASC schools a good regional team that improves the area should we have common opponents and hopefully, SOS.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 14, 2015, 10:06:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
While TLU will win the SCAC championship again this year (and congratulations to the Bulldogs and their fans), I want to give a shout out to Trinity for going from 4-6 to 8-2 despite losing their starting QB in the first game this season.   Thanks to the seniors who helped right the ship and set the standard for future success!

Absolutely, and thanks for the congrats.  Trinity made some great strides this year.  D3 football in Texas is becoming very competitive.  HSU, MHBU, TLU, Trinity and ETBU can all hold their heads high this year.   Great play throughout the state, exciting games, wild speculations, and a whole lot of fun on these boards.

Obviously, I would like to see TLU playing next week but the way the bids are currently set up that seems unlikely.  It is a shame that such a competitive state is relegated to 2 playoff bids.  Football here is better than that.  Four of HSU, MHBU, TLU, Trinity and ETBU should be playing in the playoffs.  And by the way, I watched Moravian and Guilford today.  Those teams would not hold a candle to any of HSU, MHBU, TLU, Trinity and ETBU.  It is a shame if Moravian and Guilford get the at large bids.  Seriously, a four game playoff with four Texas teams in the first two rounds of the D3 playoffs would be more competitive than than the B***S*** from the rest of the South.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2015, 10:23:45 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on November 14, 2015, 10:06:11 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 14, 2015, 06:01:42 PM
While TLU will win the SCAC championship again this year (and congratulations to the Bulldogs and their fans), I want to give a shout out to Trinity for going from 4-6 to 8-2 despite losing their starting QB in the first game this season.   Thanks to the seniors who helped right the ship and set the standard for future success!

Absolutely, and thanks for the congrats.  Trinity made some great strides this year.  D3 football in Texas is becoming very competitive.  HSU, MHBU, TLU, Trinity and ETBU can all hold their heads high this year.   Great play throughout the state, exciting games, wild speculations, and a whole lot of fun on these boards.

Obviously, I would like to see TLU playing next week but the way the bids are currently set up that seems unlikely.  It is a shame that such a competitive state is relegated to 2 playoff bids.  Football here is better than that.  Four of HSU, MHBU, TLU, Trinity and ETBU should be playing in the playoffs.  And by the way, I watched Moravian and Guilford today.  Those teams would not hold a candle to any of HSU, MHBU, TLU, Trinity and ETBU.  It is a shame if Moravian and Guilford get the at large bids.  Seriously, a four game playoff with four Texas teams in the first two rounds of the D3 playoffs would be more competitive than than the B***S*** from the rest of the South.

I hope by "bull$hit from the rest of the South" you mean the South's options for Pool C.  I don't see an 8-2 team with a .460 Strength of Schedule winning the Centennial or PAC, but whatever.  I do, however, agree that TLU would be a much more worthy candidate than Moravian or Guilford.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on November 15, 2015, 08:53:39 AM
The AQ/regional playoff structure is always going to allow some of the better teams to be denied while some lesser teams advance. TLU is a better team than several of those that qualify or are granted bids. Bottom line, TLU needed to beat HSU. Didn't happen, and now it appears teams like Guilford look to receive bids. It is what it is. Not unfair, it's just the way it is.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 15, 2015, 09:19:36 AM
Quote from: SaintsFAN on November 14, 2015, 10:23:45 PM


I hope by "bull$hit from the rest of the South" you mean the South's options for Pool C.  I don't see an 8-2 team with a .460 Strength of Schedule winning the Centennial or PAC, but whatever.  I do, however, agree that TLU would be a much more worthy candidate than Moravian or Guilford.

I did mean the South's options for Pool C.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 15, 2015, 01:51:27 PM
TLU's coach is on the committee that has ranked TLU behind Guilford and Moravian each of the last two weeks, and probably yesterday as well.  Maybe send a strongly worded email to him? 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 15, 2015, 04:27:47 PM
TLU'S coach probably recused himself and left the room at that time of the meeting.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on November 15, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Although I believe that TLU was playoff worthy, it just wasn't going to be.  Very proud of the turnaround of this program.  A very good coaching staff, a new stadium and a senior class that has gone 29-9 over the past four years.  Before that, TLU was a homecoming opponent for most programs and lucky to win 5 games a year.  Good luck to Hardin-Simmons and UMHB in the playoffs and we hope that you represent Texas well.  Congrats and good luck in the future to the TLU coaches and seniors and thank you for your commitment and dedication to convert an also-ran to a nationally recognized and respected program.  Job well-done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 15, 2015, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on November 15, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Although I believe that TLU was playoff worthy, it just wasn't going to be.  Very proud of the turnaround of this program.  A very good coaching staff, a new stadium and a senior class that has gone 29-9 over the past four years.  Before that, TLU was a homecoming opponent for most programs and lucky to win 5 games a year.  Good luck to Hardin-Simmons and UMHB in the playoffs and we hope that you represent Texas well.  Congrats and good luck in the future to the TLU coaches and seniors and thank you for your commitment and dedication to convert an also-ran to a nationally recognized and respected program.  Job well-done.

Congrats to the Bulldogs on another successful season.  Looking forward to future match-ups.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on November 15, 2015, 07:39:41 PM
Whoops..forgive me...29-11. Math skills lacking.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 15, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on November 15, 2015, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on November 15, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Although I believe that TLU was playoff worthy, it just wasn't going to be.  Very proud of the turnaround of this program.  A very good coaching staff, a new stadium and a senior class that has gone 29-9 over the past four years.  Before that, TLU was a homecoming opponent for most programs and lucky to win 5 games a year.  Good luck to Hardin-Simmons and UMHB in the playoffs and we hope that you represent Texas well.  Congrats and good luck in the future to the TLU coaches and seniors and thank you for your commitment and dedication to convert an also-ran to a nationally recognized and respected program.  Job well-done.

Congrats to the Bulldogs on another successful season.  Looking forward to future match-ups.

Likewise.  I hope TLU continues to schedule UMHB and HSU.  With the SCAC going to a double round robin next year, it will be difficult to schedule both. 

I find it frustrating that UMHB and HSU will have to play each other in the first round.  I understand that costs, geography and logistics in D3 football are a huge consideration but I truly believe that both of those teams are top 16 (possibly top 8 or even better).  It is unfortunate that Texas is relegated to 2 playoff entries and that they are forced to play each other in the first round.  I am curious, with so many teams in the Northeast and in the upper-western midwest, are there any states that have more than 2 playoff teams?  And if the max is 2, are they forced to play each other?  Or is this just something that happens to Texas teams because of their locale?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 15, 2015, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on November 15, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on November 15, 2015, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on November 15, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Although I believe that TLU was playoff worthy, it just wasn't going to be.  Very proud of the turnaround of this program.  A very good coaching staff, a new stadium and a senior class that has gone 29-9 over the past four years.  Before that, TLU was a homecoming opponent for most programs and lucky to win 5 games a year.  Good luck to Hardin-Simmons and UMHB in the playoffs and we hope that you represent Texas well.  Congrats and good luck in the future to the TLU coaches and seniors and thank you for your commitment and dedication to convert an also-ran to a nationally recognized and respected program.  Job well-done.

Congrats to the Bulldogs on another successful season.  Looking forward to future match-ups.

Likewise.  I hope TLU continues to schedule UMHB and HSU.  With the SCAC going to a double round robin next year, it will be difficult to schedule both. 

I find it frustrating that UMHB and HSU will have to play each other in the first round.  I understand that costs, geography and logistics in D3 football are a huge consideration but I truly believe that both of those teams are top 16 (possibly top 8 or even better).  It is unfortunate that Texas is relegated to 2 playoff entries and that they are forced to play each other in the first round.  I am curious, with so many teams in the Northeast and in the upper-western midwest, are there any states that have more than 2 playoff teams?  And if the max is 2, are they forced to play each other?  Or is this just something that happens to Texas teams because of their locale?

There is no limit on the number of teams from a given state.  I'm not sure where you would get that idea.  Texas doesn't get two teams- two teams in Texas were selected.  Sometimes there might just be one.  Sometimes three.  It's unlikely, but as long as the ASC does not qualify for an automatic bid, there might be zero teams from Texas. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 16, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 15, 2015, 10:37:10 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on November 15, 2015, 10:11:00 PM
Quote from: GillCJ1 on November 15, 2015, 07:10:12 PM
Quote from: Royal85 on November 15, 2015, 06:26:39 PM
Although I believe that TLU was playoff worthy, it just wasn't going to be.  Very proud of the turnaround of this program.  A very good coaching staff, a new stadium and a senior class that has gone 29-9 over the past four years.  Before that, TLU was a homecoming opponent for most programs and lucky to win 5 games a year.  Good luck to Hardin-Simmons and UMHB in the playoffs and we hope that you represent Texas well.  Congrats and good luck in the future to the TLU coaches and seniors and thank you for your commitment and dedication to convert an also-ran to a nationally recognized and respected program.  Job well-done.

Congrats to the Bulldogs on another successful season.  Looking forward to future match-ups.

Likewise.  I hope TLU continues to schedule UMHB and HSU.  With the SCAC going to a double round robin next year, it will be difficult to schedule both. 

I find it frustrating that UMHB and HSU will have to play each other in the first round.  I understand that costs, geography and logistics in D3 football are a huge consideration but I truly believe that both of those teams are top 16 (possibly top 8 or even better).  It is unfortunate that Texas is relegated to 2 playoff entries and that they are forced to play each other in the first round.  I am curious, with so many teams in the Northeast and in the upper-western midwest, are there any states that have more than 2 playoff teams?  And if the max is 2, are they forced to play each other?  Or is this just something that happens to Texas teams because of their locale?

There is no limit on the number of teams from a given state.  I'm not sure where you would get that idea.  Texas doesn't get two teams- two teams in Texas were selected.  Sometimes there might just be one.  Sometimes three.  It's unlikely, but as long as the ASC does not qualify for an automatic bid, there might be zero teams from Texas.

I know there is not a set number.  It just seems that every year the committee selects two Texas/Louisiana teams, makes them play head-to-head and that is that. My comment has less to do with questioning the committee on the number of teams selected from the Texas/Louisiana. 

My main concern is the Texas/Louisiana teams are placed into a de facto sub-regional bracket when they are required to play each other head-to-head in the first round.  Some years, that is fine but I find the bracketing very penalizing to HSU and UMHB this year.  I believe that each of those teams is within the top 16 (and possibly top 8) teams in the country.  In a perfect world, those teams should not have to play each other until the second round at the earliest. 

Again, I understand that costs and travel time are major factor in the D3 bracketing.  I just think that the committee should have been more creative this year with that specific matchup.  For example, HSU could be hosting Hendrix, while Huntington hosts UMHB.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 16, 2015, 12:10:48 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on November 16, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
For example, HSU could be hosting Hendrix, while Huntington hosts UMHB.

That is an extra flight. Huntingdon can't drive to UMHB per the 500 mile rule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on November 16, 2015, 01:04:50 PM
This would probably never get approved because 500 miles is already a really long bus trip but I did have an idea that might solve some things.

In cases that it would allow for a more traditional bracket, a team could be put on a bus for 600 miles. It seems like a number of times I looked at distances and it would fall just over 500 miles (Hendrix to HSU is 524 miles, Wabash to Hendrix is 594). Perhaps in these cases you also grant the traveling team 2 nights of hotels which I would still think if much cheaper than a flight plus 1 night in hotel.

This is probably grasping at straws but it would allow some additional flexibility and might not help the Western teams but might help the southern teams every now and then.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 16, 2015, 01:10:03 PM
I think I read somewhere NAIA is 700 miles, but I could be mis-remembering. Long bus trips. Not so bad in the wide open south, but in the traffic congested north east or midwest, where a bus averages closer to 50mph on freeways than 70, 600 miles is 12 hours. Add a food stop and stretch stop and you are talking close to 14 hours each way on a bus. At some point it's just not worth it...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 01:27:16 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on November 16, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
I know there is not a set number.  It just seems that every year the committee selects two Texas/Louisiana teams, makes them play head-to-head and that is that. My comment has less to do with questioning the committee on the number of teams selected from the Texas/Louisiana. 

My main concern is the Texas/Louisiana teams are placed into a de facto sub-regional bracket when they are required to play each other head-to-head in the first round.  Some years, that is fine but I find the bracketing very penalizing to HSU and UMHB this year.  I believe that each of those teams is within the top 16 (and possibly top 8) teams in the country.  In a perfect world, those teams should not have to play each other until the second round at the earliest. 

There's not a single person, here or on that selection committee, that doesn't agree with this.  This stinks for competitive purposes and everybody knows it.  But this isn't a perfect world, this is D3 and we have to work with the dollars that we've been allotted.  That's it.  That's the constraint and it isn't going anywhere. 

And let's just point this out- Isn't UMHB or HSU going to have to probably beat one or the other on the way to the title?  Whoever wins this thing has to win 5 games.  Don't win 5 and you don't get the trophy.  Whether you lose in round 1 or round 4, the end result is basically the same.   

Quote from: TLU02SA on November 16, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
Again, I understand that costs and travel time are major factor in the D3 bracketing.  I just think that the committee should have been more creative this year with that specific matchup.  For example, HSU could be hosting Hendrix, while Huntington hosts UMHB.

As has been pointed out, this isn't a solution. You've created an extra flight and that's not getting approved in today's NCAA.  For this kind of thing to ever work, you need an odd orphan and probably an odd number of Texas teams.  Something that forces more than one first round flight no matter what.  That's hard to pull off though.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on November 16, 2015, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 01:27:16 PM


There's not a single person, here or on that selection committee, that doesn't agree with this.  This stinks for competitive purposes and everybody knows it.  But this isn't a perfect world, this is D3 and we have to work with the dollars that we've been allotted.  That's it.  That's the constraint and it isn't going anywhere. 

And let's just point this out- Isn't UMHB or HSU going to have to probably beat one or the other on the way to the title?  Whoever wins this thing has to win 5 games.  Don't win 5 and you don't get the trophy.  Whether you lose in round 1 or round 4, the end result is basically the same.   

Quote from: TLU02SA on November 16, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
Again, I understand that costs and travel time are major factor in the D3 bracketing.  I just think that the committee should have been more creative this year with that specific matchup.  For example, HSU could be hosting Hendrix, while Huntington hosts UMHB.

As has been pointed out, this isn't a solution. You've created an extra flight and that's not getting approved in today's NCAA.  For this kind of thing to ever work, you need an odd orphan and probably an odd number of Texas teams.  Something that forces more than one first round flight no matter what.  That's hard to pull off though.

It seems like we are reaching dead horse level to this argument but I just can't resists replying to this. I think most of us completely understand the reasoning for why the Texas and NWC teams are going to be paired, but can you blame us for complaining for as Pat said in in the podcast when we get screwed?

Yes it is true that in order to be the best you have to beat the best, but that easier to shallow when you have to do it in the later rounds. When the ASC/SCAC and NWC teams have to beat a good team twice just to get to the 2nd round I can tell you for sure it does matter if you lose in the 2nd or 4th round. Being able to go on the recruiting trail and say you advance to the quarterfinals or semi's is going to sound a lot better than we got beat by a fellow conference member in the 1st round of the tournament.

At any rate, like I said I think most people that are on these boards realize and respect why things are done the way they are but that is never going to stop us from at least rehashing this argument every year.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 02:53:25 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 16, 2015, 02:36:24 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 01:27:16 PM
There's not a single person, here or on that selection committee, that doesn't agree with this.  This stinks for competitive purposes and everybody knows it.  But this isn't a perfect world, this is D3 and we have to work with the dollars that we've been allotted.  That's it.  That's the constraint and it isn't going anywhere. 

And let's just point this out- Isn't UMHB or HSU going to have to probably beat one or the other on the way to the title?  Whoever wins this thing has to win 5 games.  Don't win 5 and you don't get the trophy.  Whether you lose in round 1 or round 4, the end result is basically the same.   

Quote from: TLU02SA on November 16, 2015, 12:08:57 PM
Again, I understand that costs and travel time are major factor in the D3 bracketing.  I just think that the committee should have been more creative this year with that specific matchup.  For example, HSU could be hosting Hendrix, while Huntington hosts UMHB.

As has been pointed out, this isn't a solution. You've created an extra flight and that's not getting approved in today's NCAA.  For this kind of thing to ever work, you need an odd orphan and probably an odd number of Texas teams.  Something that forces more than one first round flight no matter what.  That's hard to pull off though.

It seems like we are reaching dead horse level to this argument but I just can't resists replying to this. I think most of us completely understand the reasoning for why the Texas and NWC teams are going to be paired, but can you blame us for complaining for as Pat said in in the podcast when we get screwed?

Yes it is true that in order to be the best you have to beat the best, but that easier to shallow when you have to do it in the later rounds. When the ASC/SCAC and NWC teams have to beat a good team twice just to get to the 2nd round I can tell you for sure it does matter if you lose in the 2nd or 4th round. Being able to go on the recruiting trail and say you advance to the quarterfinals or semi's is going to sound a lot better than we got beat by a fellow conference member in the 1st round of the tournament.

At any rate, like I said I think most people that are on these boards realize and respect why things are done the way they are but that is never going to stop us from at least rehashing this argument every year.

See, I don't think people do respect the way things are done.  UMHB/HSU didn't get screwed.  This was ALWAYS going to happen.  There was not a way to get around it.  It isn't new, it's completely expected, so I don't understand the annual tantrum that happens when that bracket gets put out. 

And I really don't understand it this year.  The committee didn't have to give the ASC/NWC teams a buffer round, but they did.  Just as easily (and probably less expensively) could have put Linfield/Whitworth with HSU/UMHB and Cortland/Salisbury with Huntingdon/Hendrix.  That's absolutely a thing that could have happened.  You guys should be celebrating this bracket, tbqh. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on November 16, 2015, 04:11:15 PM
Just because we always get screwed, doesn't mean we didn't get screwed. How would you feel if every year it was possible, the NCAA paired Wabash and DePauw because it was cost effective?

I will repeat I completely understand why the committee and NCAA pair us together, but please forgive us that we don't celebrate the fact that a #2 seed is facing a #3 and that we don't have to go fact #1 in the next round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RLW on November 16, 2015, 05:09:36 PM
If the committee will pull those that are griping out of the playoffs and put TLU in I promise they will not hear a gripe from us.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 05:17:32 PM
Quote from: crufootball on November 16, 2015, 04:11:15 PM
Just because we always get screwed, doesn't mean we didn't get screwed. How would you feel if every year it was possible, the NCAA paired Wabash and DePauw because it was cost effective?

I will repeat I completely understand why the committee and NCAA pair us together, but please forgive us that we don't celebrate the fact that a #2 seed is facing a #3 and that we don't have to go fact #1 in the next round.

Simple solution: move UMHB to Ohio or some such! ;D

Unless D3 somehow gets a 'sugar daddy', it's not ever gonna change, and will get infinitely worse if the major D1 schools ever decide to band together and leave the NCAA.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 16, 2015, 05:09:36 PM
If the committee will pull those that are griping out of the playoffs and put TLU in I promise they will not hear a gripe from us.

Seriously.  How many teams would be happy to play anybody at all this weekend? 

Quote from: crufootball on November 16, 2015, 04:11:15 PM
Just because we always get screwed, doesn't mean we didn't get screwed. How would you feel if every year it was possible, the NCAA paired Wabash and DePauw because it was cost effective?

I will repeat I completely understand why the committee and NCAA pair us together, but please forgive us that we don't celebrate the fact that a #2 seed is facing a #3 and that we don't have to go fact #1 in the next round.

Wabash vs. DePauw in round one every year?  I'm all for it, but would it really be fair to give Wabash an annual bye to round 2? 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 16, 2015, 07:46:24 PM
Hey ya'll here is what has to happen so we don't see Texas square off.. it happened in 2013. That means all other programs have to not be ranked and not even approach the pool C table to never even begin to be considered, oh, and just lose to UMHB by 60 points. So please let your AD's and Coaching staffs know that is the plan from now on, remember.. Lose to UMHB by 60, don't even approach being selectable by the committee for Pool C and.. yeah that works...(This is my first attempt at social engineering and psychological patterning) please follow the steps above..and always tip your waiter...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 16, 2015, 05:09:36 PM
If the committee will pull those that are griping out of the playoffs and put TLU in I promise they will not hear a gripe from us.

Seriously.  How many teams would be happy to play anybody at all this weekend? 

Quote from: crufootball on November 16, 2015, 04:11:15 PM
Just because we always get screwed, doesn't mean we didn't get screwed. How would you feel if every year it was possible, the NCAA paired Wabash and DePauw because it was cost effective?

I will repeat I completely understand why the committee and NCAA pair us together, but please forgive us that we don't celebrate the fact that a #2 seed is facing a #3 and that we don't have to go fact #1 in the next round.

Wabash vs. DePauw in round one every year?  I'm all for it, but would it really be fair to give Wabash an annual bye to round 2?

Now wally, someday you'll have to eat those words!  As you've said many times, DePauw is definitely on the rise.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 09:26:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 16, 2015, 05:09:36 PM
If the committee will pull those that are griping out of the playoffs and put TLU in I promise they will not hear a gripe from us.

Seriously.  How many teams would be happy to play anybody at all this weekend? 

Quote from: crufootball on November 16, 2015, 04:11:15 PM
Just because we always get screwed, doesn't mean we didn't get screwed. How would you feel if every year it was possible, the NCAA paired Wabash and DePauw because it was cost effective?

I will repeat I completely understand why the committee and NCAA pair us together, but please forgive us that we don't celebrate the fact that a #2 seed is facing a #3 and that we don't have to go fact #1 in the next round.

Wabash vs. DePauw in round one every year?  I'm all for it, but would it really be fair to give Wabash an annual bye to round 2?

Now wally, someday you'll have to eat those words!  As you've said many times, DePauw is definitely on the rise.

Someday, Ypsi.  But we're on the good side of a 7 game win streak and until they stop it....WEEEEEE!   :)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 09:26:31 PM
Quote from: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 08:05:40 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on November 16, 2015, 05:20:28 PM
Quote from: RLW on November 16, 2015, 05:09:36 PM
If the committee will pull those that are griping out of the playoffs and put TLU in I promise they will not hear a gripe from us.

Seriously.  How many teams would be happy to play anybody at all this weekend? 

Quote from: crufootball on November 16, 2015, 04:11:15 PM
Just because we always get screwed, doesn't mean we didn't get screwed. How would you feel if every year it was possible, the NCAA paired Wabash and DePauw because it was cost effective?

I will repeat I completely understand why the committee and NCAA pair us together, but please forgive us that we don't celebrate the fact that a #2 seed is facing a #3 and that we don't have to go fact #1 in the next round.

Wabash vs. DePauw in round one every year?  I'm all for it, but would it really be fair to give Wabash an annual bye to round 2?

Now wally, someday you'll have to eat those words!  As you've said many times, DePauw is definitely on the rise.

Someday, Ypsi.  But we're on the good side of a 7 game win streak and until they stop it....WEEEEEE!   :)

All good things must end - we had a TWENTY-NINE year streak against North Park until OOPS!! :o
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 16, 2015, 11:18:22 PM
500 mile rule is absolutely a detriment to the teams in the South, Texas, California, Oregon and Washington!!!!!  500 mile rule is biased to teams that play in areas with numerous schools located within 500 miles of each other.  That does not exist in Texas, most of the South, California, Oregon and Washington.  Just because you are located within a arbitrary distance with another playoff opponent should not dictate who your initial playoff opponent should be.  Frankly, the 500 mile rule needs to be reconsidered in regions that it does not make sense.  This rule obviously is to the advantage of teams in the Northeast, Ohio, and the Midwest and it is complete BS!!!!!  Traveling 700 miles in the South is not even remotely the same as traveling 500 miles in the Northeast.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mr. Ypsi on November 16, 2015, 11:39:22 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on November 16, 2015, 11:18:22 PM
500 mile rule is absolutely a detriment to the teams in the South, Texas, California, Oregon and Washington!!!!!  500 mile rule is biased to teams that play in areas with numerous schools located within 500 miles of each other.  That does not exist in Texas, most of the South, California, Oregon and Washington.  Just because you are located within a arbitrary distance with another playoff opponent should not dictate who your initial playoff opponent should be.  Frankly, the 500 mile rule needs to be reconsidered in regions that it does not make sense.  This rule obviously is to the advantage of teams in the Northeast, Ohio, and the Midwest and it is complete BS!!!!!  Traveling 700 miles in the South is not even remotely the same as traveling 500 miles in the Northeast.

500 is indeed arbitrary, and probably should be adjusted by regions.  Even a 450 mile bus trip in northeastern areas puts the visitors at a horrible disadvantage; perhaps as much as a 600 mile trip in Texas.  But there has to be some sort of standard.  I don't know what the answer could be.

D3 needs a 'sugar daddy' - anyone know Phil Knight and think they can get him to switch his allegiance from Oregon to D3? ;D

I really feel for the 'island' teams, but it is what it is, and it ain't gonna change unless it gets infinitely worse as the big dogs of D1 decide to group together on their own and say F*** U to the NCAA. :P

Got any billionaire alums to hit up? ;)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 17, 2015, 02:38:10 PM
They've talked about going to 600 miles. I think we do need to consider it but with limitations. I wouldn't advocate busing someone past a 500-mile opponent to get to a 600-mile one but I would be willing to support something like a "600-mile exception" in areas where D-III is sparse.

Regardless, this does not help the west coast whatsoever. It only helps one island.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 18, 2015, 12:36:54 PM
Big News Coming Soon!!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 18, 2015, 12:38:14 PM
Quote from: roocru on November 18, 2015, 12:36:54 PM
Big News Coming Soon!!

You have my attention.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 18, 2015, 01:05:05 PM
Wowza, just saw the report.  Don't wanna step on any toes, but here's the D3football link:

http://www.d3football.com/notables/2015/11/saa-brings-back-austin-trinity
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on November 18, 2015, 01:14:44 PM
And TLU and Southwestern just looked around and said, "well aren't you guys a pair of traitorous b@stards?"

"Hey, ASC? Please? We really do still love you. I mean we've basically been playing you guys anyway, right?

Really, you want us on our knees begging? Well, got to do what we've got to do I guess..."
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 18, 2015, 01:20:16 PM
It will be reallllly interesting to see what happens next.  Southwestern just started their football program back up, too.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 18, 2015, 01:21:03 PM
What the what??? so where will the last two land? any guessess?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: gordonmann on November 18, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
I know the announcement is just for football, but what are the chances it follows for all sports?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: roocru on November 18, 2015, 02:09:59 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 18, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
I know the announcement is just for football, but what are the chances it follows for all sports?

It will be football only.  Also, by the way, the decision was made in consultation with all SCAC football members.  As I understand it, TLC had no problem returning to the ASC.  Not sure what Southwestern will do.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 18, 2015, 03:13:17 PM
http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/11/18/FB_1118150000.aspx

Here is TLU's post about the news today.  The article seems ambiguous about Southwestern's and TLU's intentions.  On the one hand, it seems to indicate that SU and TLU will seek to affiliate themselves with the ASC, but the money quote is from President Dorsey saying,

"For Southwestern University and Texas Lutheran, a football conference affiliation within Texas will serve us best by controlling travel costs, minimizing lost class time for students and building traditional local rivalries. We will be working with Southwestern University and other Texas independent universities to explore these options in the coming weeks."

Not sure what "Texas independent universities" means.  Does he mean universities not currently affiliated with a conference or DIII??? Is that a reference to a private college (thus indicating the ASC)?  Probably the later but not sure.

Anyways, interesting times.  From the statement, it appears that Trinity, AC, TLU and Southwestern came to this decision together for what that is worth.

The other interesting bit from the article is it discloses TLU's football schedule next year.  In addition to the six games against AC, Trinity, and Southwester, TLU is playing UMHB, ETBU, Hardin-Simmons, and Louisiana College.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 18, 2015, 03:30:24 PM
Remaining an independent is an option for TLU.  For scheduling purposes, TLU can continue to schedule Trinity, AC and Southwestern along with 5 - 7 ASC teams, NAIA teams, and occasionally an out of state home-and-home series.  It is not impossible and is no different from what TLU has done the past 3 years.  You don't have an AQ but that is also no different than what TLU is doing now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on November 18, 2015, 03:35:51 PM
Goodness. So now the SCAC is going to dump football. I remember a couple of years ago when they announced how excited they were to get TLU and how they were looking forward to the future of the conference, etc, etc. TLU and SWU will join up again w/ the ASC expanding that to a 10 team conference. Everyone finds one non-conference game and then it is "on".  UMHB, TLU and HSU will be the top 3 in that conference for the time being with the runner-up having a good shot at a playoff bid.  For the past 2 years it's been between those 3 anyway regardless of the conference they were in.  I guess going independent is an option, but securing games is always an issue.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 18, 2015, 03:44:40 PM
I was just going to say almost the same thing Royal, for now they can find games in the ASC, but that could change if they run independent. ASC is filling up as well with the addition of Belhaven and McMurry on all schedules in 2016. not much wiggle room left
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on November 18, 2015, 03:46:28 PM
Being independent is obviously an option but will be even harder once Belhaven and McMurry are fully brought on board into the ASC. At that point the ASC teams will only need 3 non-conference games and some will want to face Trinity, AC, or any other D3 team because it will work better with their schedules.

'Does anyone know if TLU and Southwestern could have left right now and just joined the ASC for the 2016 season? Especially if they are going to do it anyway, than they join an AQ conference and at least for TLU play mainly the same schedule.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 18, 2015, 04:16:55 PM
TLU and Southwestern joining the ASC does make the most sense for scheduling purposes.  My suspicion (and it is only a suspicion) is that an announcement will be made very soon that TLU and Southwestern will be football affiliates in the ASC. 

Not sure about 2016 though.  I know it seems like Trinity and AC are dropping TLU and Southwestern in the mud here but it does appear to have been a decision made by all four to seek football affiliation outside the SCAC.  If TLU and Southwestern were to join the ASC for 2016, they would have to drop, at least, one of their scheduled games against Trinity and AC next year.  Not sure how easy it would be for Trinity and AC to schedule those two games.  If TLU and Southwestern were to do that, the relations between the four schools could spiral quickly.

Certainly, an unfortunate set of circumstances.  The whole conference affiliation thing has been completely frustrating from a football perspective.  My guess is that the SCAC schools thought there was real chance for internal expansion and additional private colleges in Texas and Louisiana would be starting football programs.  Obviously, that did not turn out.  I am very interested in how this all plays out.

Then again, this seems par for the course for D3 football.  I find the conference shuffling in DIII to be surprising and mind boggling.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2015, 04:25:16 PM
This really is a kick in the teeth to SW and TLU, and I'm sure there WILL be some hard feelings and possibly conference changes.   That said, you have to remember that schools associate with conferences for more reasons than just to play football.   I could see TLU rejoining the ASC much more easily (after all, they were members until a few years ago) than I could Southwestern, who have been members of the SCAC since 1993.   I hope they can find a football home quickly.

Due to scheduling it normally takes a couple of years for a conference afflilliation to change, which is why AC/TU don't affiliate with the SAA until 2017. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2015, 06:13:14 PM
Quote from: gordonmann on November 18, 2015, 01:50:56 PM
I know the announcement is just for football, but what are the chances it follows for all sports?

The SAA made it plenty clear they didn't want to be sending all their sports teams to Texas when they pulled out; travel costs and the impact of travel on student-athletes were the stated reasons for leaving.  With football, they'd already agreed to take on the two UAA schools for football only with the associated travel costs, so with the UAA jumping ship immediately after affiliating this is a marriage of convenience benefiting both the SAA and AC/TU, and a partnership that is much less likely to be broken given the scarcity of other options for Trinity and Austin. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 18, 2015, 07:00:15 PM
If the schedule sits the way I presume it does currently for UMHB, I don't see a place for SW in 2016. OWU, TLU and Linfield will be the three non conference games. (That is if TLU is not affiliated) and then the rest are ASC members. But things could change of course. OWU would be coming to the Cruthedral, as would (as I understood) Linfield so those are two homestands for the Cru. Perhaps a 2017 season would see SW in this line up.. Or.. perhaps TLU does not get on the 2016 schedule and SW is in that spot...who knows
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: @d3jason on November 18, 2015, 07:14:28 PM
Not sure if this is mentioned but Pool B appears to be shrinking to below the number of teams to warrant a bid soon. With that, TLU and SW would need to join the ASC to gain access or risk Pool C.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Pat C can correct me, but I believe the ASC needs 2 years of membership by affiliates before the 6-full members ASC can regain the AQ.
McMurry is at least 2 years away in the most favorable scenario, 2018-19.

I feel badly for Texas D3 football.

I had wondered about this.
Two of these 3 add football to increase the student body especially male: Centenary, Schreiner, or UDallas.

Concordia-Texas leaves the ASC to start football in a more favorable environment. By about 2020,  the ASC would 8 and the AQ. The SCAC would have 7 and the AQ.

Two Pool A bids (plus a Pool C which we commonly got) helps with the playoffs and a nice assortment of local non-conference games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2015, 11:49:31 PM
I'm sure the SCAC office had been burning the midnight oil trying to find *some* way to get the other schools to start football, Ralph.   That football is being discontinued after 50+ years has to be an admission that nobody wanted to play.    If only the bean counters at Colorado College hadn't killed that program ...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 19, 2015, 01:10:27 AM
Thanks Ron.

Which program is discontinuing football after 50+ years?

Colorado College was over 100 years.


Or do you mean the SCAC?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2015, 06:51:06 AM
I was referring to the SCAC dropping the sport, Ralph.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 19, 2015, 10:48:46 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 18, 2015, 08:46:08 PM
Pat C can correct me, but I believe the ASC needs 2 years of membership by affiliates before the 6-full members ASC can regain the AQ.
McMurry is at least 2 years away in the most favorable scenario, 2018-19.

I feel badly for Texas D3 football.

I had wondered about this.
Two of these 3 add football to increase the student body especially male: Centenary, Schreiner, or UDallas.

Concordia-Texas leaves the ASC to start football in a more favorable environment. By about 2020,  the ASC would 8 and the AQ. The SCAC would have 7 and the AQ.

Two Pool A bids (plus a Pool C which we commonly got) helps with the playoffs and a nice assortment of local non-conference games.

My guess is this is the exact scenario the SCAC and its teams wanted to happen.  I also believe that three or four years ago they had a reason to believe it would happen and have worked hard to make it happen.  Maybe one or two of those schools were looking into starting a football program but have since backed away.  Maybe not.  Maybe the SCAC had its eyes on McMurray, Belhaven, and/or another ASC, DII, or NAIA school.  Obviously, McMurray and Belhaven joined the ASC.  Unfortunately, it has not worked out.   

Is this a sign that the surge of small, private, liberal arts colleges starting football programs is coming to an end?  It seems to have been slowing.  Plus the decision by the SCAC to inform its teams to locate other football affiliations is a really strong indication that no colleges in Texas and Louisiana have any intention to start a football program.  At least for the foreseeable future.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 19, 2015, 11:13:56 AM
It takes some capital and will to establish a football program, and a need to address a gender imbalance doesn't hurt.   There are sometimes powerful forces in the alumni or supporter base against the sport.   Hendrix had quite a time getting their program off the ground even with the strong support it had from administration; while I'll never forgive their (then-)president for the comments he made when they bolted for the SAA, you have to salute him for getting the program started.   Just a few years later, they're in the playoffs. 

Another thing right now is that there's a lot of bad press about football due to concussions and CTE.   That may be causing some schools that might otherwise consider the sport to take a pass.

A few years back the ASC was in similar straits - ironically, after TLU, Schriner, and Centenary left for the SCAC and McMurry started its ill-fated flirtation with D2 - but the conference was able to get its core members to stick and now with McM back in the fold and Belhaven joining, is in good shape.   I used to hope HSU would come to the SCAC, but now that the conference has abandoned football, the chance of that happening has gone from "highly improbable" to "no." 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 19, 2015, 03:45:48 PM
The 2015 All-SCAC Football Team was released today:

http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/all_scac (http://www.scacsports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/all_scac)

P.S. - If you follow us on Facebook, Twitter or Instagram, you can find some pretty cool GIFs and graphics of the honorees.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: desertcat1 on November 25, 2015, 12:06:59 PM
Happy Thanksgiving to everyone . Safe travels.  :-*
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 03, 2015, 04:57:22 PM
As expected, Southwestern and Texas Lutheran will affiliate with the ASC.   Happy things have worked out for both schools.

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2015-16/releases/affiliate_announcement_asc
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 11, 2015, 12:49:30 PM
Unfortunate news re now former TLU DL coach Craig Harris.

http://www.kens5.com/story/news/crime/2015/12/10/tlu-football-coach-charged-indecent-exposure/77101330/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on December 12, 2015, 05:11:58 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 11, 2015, 12:49:30 PM
Unfortunate news re now former TLU DL coach Craig Harris.

http://www.kens5.com/story/news/crime/2015/12/10/tlu-football-coach-charged-indecent-exposure/77101330/

Very unfortunate.  I hope this is an isolated incident for this man and everyone gets the help they need.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on December 14, 2015, 11:28:11 PM
Looks like another coaches son is moving on, just saw that Andy Padron took a co-offensive coordinator job at Bowling Green. Congrats to him.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 15, 2015, 12:03:39 AM
Kind of surprising there hasn't been a release on this, but Padron's changed his Twitter account to say he's at BGSU now (without any comment to that effect).   Good move for Andy Padron, TLU will miss him but no doubt Dad will find a good one to take his place.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on December 15, 2015, 10:04:03 AM
Great move for Andy Padron.  It is surprising that there was not a press release on this move from, at least, the Bowling Green side.  He was co-coordinator with Kyle Ingraham at TLU.  Ingraham is the QB coach as well.  I wonder if Ingraham becomes the OC or TLU will hire/promote another coach into the co-coordinator position.

The past few years, I have noticed numerous college teams using co-coordinators.  Is the co-coordinator title just a label?  I can see coaching staffs using the label to make a position coach assignment more enticing or as leverage for the assistant coach to obtain a larger salary.  It seems to me that, ultimately, one of the co-coordinator's is truly the coordinator.  Wouldn't the true coordinator be mainly responsible for the game plan and play calling?  The second co-coordinator may have responsibility on theory and game planning but that does not seem any different from the responsibilities of another assistant coach. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on December 17, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
Here is TLU's write-up on Andy Padron taking the Bowling Green State co-offensive coordinator job.

http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/12/15/FB_1215153735.aspx

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 26, 2016, 10:39:01 PM
Texas  Wesleyan is starting football.  It is currently NAIA.

What is the chance it will go D3?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2016, 09:36:59 PM
Quote from: Gray Fox on February 26, 2016, 10:39:01 PM
Texas  Wesleyan is starting football.  It is currently NAIA.

What is the chance it will go D3?
They were D-2 until about 2000 and when they had a "cup of coffee" as an ASC Provisional on their way to the NAIA.
This gets them to the necessary number of sports.
I think that they might consider the SCAC as well for membership and affiliate with the ASC for football.

That still brings back my hope for Concordia TX to add football and accept an invitation to join Schreiner and Texas Wesleyan plus TLU, Southwestern, TU and AC in a 7 team football conference by 2021.
  Hopes dashed. See below.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on February 28, 2016, 10:09:15 PM
NAIA.

16 scholarships for football.

http://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/football/article59645026.html
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on February 29, 2016, 09:42:27 AM
Thank you Ralph.  I knew you would know all about this.  +k
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ksclegal on April 05, 2016, 04:02:36 PM
Per Footballscoop.com Kyle Ingraham has been promoted to offensive coordinator/quarterbacks coach  at Texas Lutheran and former Texas Southern graduate assistant Matt Cannata has returned to TLU as offensive line coach and recruiting coordinator.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 07, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
In the last year of the football-playing SCAC, non-conference games are:

Austin: @Hendrix, HPU, Whittier, @SAGU
Southwestern:  HSU, McM, @ETBU, @UW-River Falls
Texas Lutheran:  ETBU, UMHB, @La Coll, @HSU
Trinity:  Redlands, @Millsaps, PLU, @Chapman

This will be the only year of double-round robin play to determine the SCAC champion.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 08, 2016, 11:52:33 PM
Around the Nation (http://www.d3blogs.com/d3football/2016/04/04/atn-podcast-new-coaches-new-season/) is back!   Trinity (TX) coach Jerheme Urban is one of three coaches interviewed in this month's edition.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: olddog on May 13, 2016, 07:30:17 PM
It is early but any outlook on Trinity? Redland's defense should be pretty tough given 9 starters back plus a couple medical redshirt starters from 2014 season. The offense is the huge question mark as usual. The O line has to improve, hard not too...and the QB battle is a real unknown.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: olddog on June 16, 2016, 06:17:29 PM
Trinity/UR game moved back to 7:30...better for the boys ...Looks like UR staying the night instead of flying out on Saturday
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Gray Fox on July 05, 2016, 05:14:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on April 07, 2016, 07:36:29 PM
In the last year of the football-playing SCAC, non-conference games are:

Austin: @Hendrix, HPU, Whittier, @SAGU
Southwestern:  HSU, McM, @ETBU, @UW-River Falls
Texas Lutheran:  ETBU, UMHB, @La Coll, @HSU
Trinity:  Redlands, @Millsaps, PLU, @Chapman

This will be the only year of double-round robin play to determine the SCAC champion.

Thanks for the heads up.  I'll try to make the two SCIAC games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 02, 2016, 02:27:01 PM
Two SCAC players named to the D3football.com preseason AA teams, neither are a surprise:

Marquis Barrolle, Sr., Texas Lutheran
Julian Turner, Sr., Trinity (Texas)

Here's to a good final season of conference play.   :'(
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on August 15, 2016, 10:46:14 PM
TLU will certainly have some holes to fill on both sides of the ball.  They have a very good coaching staff and they will develop young players to fill in for those who graduated.  They start off with a couple of very tough teams in ETBU and UMHB.  I think they can afford 1 loss again to have a chance at the playoffs.  I felt they were a playoff team last year, but that tough loss to Hardin Simmons cost them.  Way too many mistakes and turnovers.  This year's team will be a little different with change in QB and a revamped secondary.  Also, some new coaching assignments.  Padron and his staff have done a great job there and will have this team ready to go.  Looking forward to the season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on August 22, 2016, 04:00:01 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on December 17, 2015, 10:35:36 AM
Here is TLU's write-up on Andy Padron taking the Bowling Green State co-offensive coordinator job.

http://tlubulldogs.com/news/2015/12/15/FB_1215153735.aspx

Wow, both sons leaving the roost to do something different.  It will be interesting to see how UMHB and TLU do under new OC's.
Title: Austin College
Post by: RunTheTrap on August 23, 2016, 05:18:46 PM
 Not a whole lot of Austin College posts so I decided what the heck. AC had 128 report on opening day of camp which is up from recent years (that means the last 3 years for certain). Numbers don't mean anything as far as wins are concerned, but it is good to see the program in good shape. They do have some talent to replace on both sides of the ball and they will be tested the first week @ Hendrix. Looking forward to the season and wishing all the teams in this conference good luck on 9/3!   
Title: Re: Austin College
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 23, 2016, 06:55:39 PM
Quote from: RunTheTrap on August 23, 2016, 05:18:46 PM
Not a whole lot of Austin College posts so I decided what the heck. AC had 128 report on opening day of camp which is up from recent years (that means the last 3 years for certain). Numbers don't mean anything as far as wins are concerned, but it is good to see the program in good shape. They do have some talent to replace on both sides of the ball and they will be tested the first week @ Hendrix. Looking forward to the season and wishing all the teams in this conference good luck on 9/3!

Welcome!

Hendrix won the SAA last year, is one of the favorites again this year, so this will be not only a good test but a precursor of things to come once AC and Trinity head to the SAA next year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RunTheTrap on August 24, 2016, 11:12:35 AM
Thanks and I totally agree with you on that. Major props are in order to  the Hendrix coaching staff and team for getting a conference championship within 3 years of starting football. That is quite a feat. I hate to see the SCAC with no football teams next year, but at least the 4 teams will be in conferences that send teams to the playoffs every year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 26, 2016, 07:48:31 PM
SCAC Media Day interviews were released this week:

Austin:  https://www.facebook.com/scac.sports1/videos/10154514138453724/
Southwestern:  https://www.facebook.com/scac.sports1/videos/10154505474703724/
Texas Lutheran: https://www.facebook.com/scac.sports1/videos/10154504840453724/
Trinity:  https://www.facebook.com/scac.sports1/videos/10154508645473724/

Austin College Football w/ head coach Loren Dawson, senior quarterback Cooper Woodyard and senior linebacker James Heman
Southwestern University Football w/ head coach Joe Austin, senior defensive end Justin Broussard and senior quarterback Bryan Hicks
Texas Lutheran University Football w/ head coach Danny Padron, senior offensive lineman Tyler Howlett and senior linebacker Darian Candler
Trinity University Football w/ head coach Jerheme Urban, sophomore offensive lineman Joel Holmes and senior linebacker Brad Hood
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 27, 2016, 03:33:21 PM
Quote from: RunTheTrap on August 24, 2016, 11:12:35 AM
Thanks and I totally agree with you on that. Major props are in order to  the Hendrix coaching staff and team for getting a conference championship within 3 years of starting football. That is quite a feat. I hate to see the SCAC with no football teams next year, but at least the 4 teams will be in conferences that send teams to the playoffs every year.
And the Hendrix coach is an AC grad (and played for 'Roo AD David Norman, back when he was the football coach), as well, so the 'Roos will happily take a little of the credit in helping him become the coach he is today, I'm sure!  ;)

AC beat Hendrix last year, but that was at home, and the 'Roos have to replace Madison Ross. That's not going to be easy for them.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RunTheTrap on August 29, 2016, 01:08:06 PM
 It will definitely be challenging for AC to replace Madison Ross. I didn't make it to any of the scrimmages this year so I am not sure who is getting the majority of the carries. Another Texas connection on the Hendrix coaching staff is their OC who was the line coach @ TLU before he left for Hendrix. I plan on making the trip up to Conway to see the game. It would be great to see a win by AC on Saturday but I would also be happy to see a strong offensive and defensive showing by AC. They will need to try to get a little better each week before they reach conference play.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 04, 2016, 12:31:19 AM
Wow, TLU. Expected more.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2016, 01:56:01 AM
Trinity holds off Redlands 34-27, knocking down a Tyler Shreve pass in the end zone on fourth down with under two minutes remaining to preserve the win.   A very interesting game thanks to some incredible returns from Redlands as the game was threatening to turn into a runaway in the third quarter.    In the end, a 4-1 turnover disparity doomed the vistors from Southern California; Trinity turned three of those into 21 points.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 04, 2016, 09:18:16 AM
It's going to take a bit for TLU to grow up.  They had to replace several key players and have some young players filling in.  I fully expect them to improve as the season moves forward.  UMHB will obviously be a huge challenge and TLU's focus needs to be on competing, reducing penalties and eliminating turnovers. Although the playoff chances have taken a hit already, another, and final, SCAC title is still certainly in the cards. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TOOLIVEU on September 05, 2016, 11:09:34 PM
First post!!!!! I figured someone needed to be a TLU poster, so why not me.

Watched the game up until the point that I knew that TLU was done for. Defense played well at times. But the offense didn't help them with the 3 turnovers. TLU is going to be a good team in the future. Unfortunately, they are starting an unproven Quarterback. He looked pressured at times and other times, he just looked lost. Don't think the offensive line really gave him a chance though. TLU might go 2-2 over the course of their 4 murder games. They also might go 0-4. Depends on how fast they mature. They have lost a lot the last two years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 06, 2016, 10:53:51 AM
I'm sure you mean they have lost a lot of players the last two years and not a lot of games.  I think they have only lost 5 games in the last 3 years.  They did lose some key players to graduation this past year, so the new replacements will need to grow up.  Also, they are adjusting to several changes in the coaching staff so that takes some time to gel as well.  Big task ahead this week, but the last two outings vs. UMHB have been competitive games with TLU in a position late in the game with a chance to pull off the win.  Program has a solid foundation and they will respond with a solid performance.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: olddog on September 06, 2016, 02:07:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2016, 01:56:01 AM
Trinity holds off Redlands 34-27, knocking down a Tyler Shreve pass in the end zone on fourth down with under two minutes remaining to preserve the win.   A very interesting game thanks to some incredible returns from Redlands as the game was threatening to turn into a runaway in the third quarter.    In the end, a 4-1 turnover disparity doomed the vistors from Southern California; Trinity turned three of those into 21 points.   

Ron I agree with your take, I think if they played again my money would be on UR. UR issues are much more fixable that TU's. Nice win for TU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 07, 2016, 08:02:09 AM
Shreve is a talent, no doubt about it.   You can see how he played at the D1 level until things went off the rails a bit.   Hope he is putting everything together now as the story (http://www.redlandsdailyfacts.com/sports/20160831/university-of-redlands-tyler-shreve-seeks-last-shot-at-redemption) I read last week said. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TOOLIVEU on September 08, 2016, 03:10:24 PM
I can't see TLU having much of a chance in this game. Sad to say but let's be honest. New QB going against one of the better defenses in the nation, offensive line that could barely keep ETBU from getting to their QB, and a defense that is starting new guys at almost every position. It's gonna be ugly if they are not careful. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this being close with what I saw last week.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 08, 2016, 03:16:49 PM
Quote from: TOOLIVEU on September 08, 2016, 03:10:24 PM
I can't see TLU having much of a chance in this game. Sad to say but let's be honest. New QB going against one of the better defenses in the nation, offensive line that could barely keep ETBU from getting to their QB, and a defense that is starting new guys at almost every position. It's gonna be ugly if they are not careful. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this being close with what I saw last week.

Well, paper never won a championship, so stranger things have happened.  Not that I want them to, but I'm sure TLU will come out and give it their all.  I just hope nobody gets hurt and the backups play a lot.

Welcome to the board and thanks for posting.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on September 08, 2016, 06:21:03 PM
Gotta give Southwestern a shout out, for a newer program they didn't shrink from HSU...good job
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on September 09, 2016, 01:00:29 PM
Quote from: TOOLIVEU on September 08, 2016, 03:10:24 PM
I can't see TLU having much of a chance in this game. Sad to say but let's be honest. New QB going against one of the better defenses in the nation, offensive line that could barely keep ETBU from getting to their QB, and a defense that is starting new guys at almost every position. It's gonna be ugly if they are not careful. I hope I'm wrong but I can't see this being close with what I saw last week.

Must say that I agree.  TLU is an inexperienced team in many crucial areas.  Last week's game showed that.  I suspect we will see improvement, even considerable improvement.  Unfortunately, UMHB is not a team that accommodates inexperience. 

The quirk in the SCAC schedule this year is not helpful either.  Having to play Trinity, AC, and SW a second time took away some early games that would have been opportunities for this TLU team to grow and improve.  I am not advocating an easier schedule but games against Sul Ross, SWAG and Howard Payne would have been good for this TLU team.  Instead TLU's schedule is front loaded with the teams that have been the best in the ASC for the past several years and a home-and-way with Trinity, who I believe is underrated right now. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on September 10, 2016, 04:02:41 PM
Any score from the Trinity - Millsaps game?  Stats aren't refreshing...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2016, 04:32:58 PM
Sorry Sewanee.

I started watching the game in the 4th quarter when the score was 17-7.  I saw W&L score 14 unanswered points.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on September 10, 2016, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2016, 04:32:58 PM
Sorry Sewanee.

I started watching the game in the 4th quarter when the score was 17-7.  I saw W&L score 14 unanswered points.

It was 21 unanswered. All in the 4th quarter. W&L did not come to play and Sewanee was very disciplined against the option.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: ADL70 on September 11, 2016, 12:13:14 AM
Nice win by Southwestern 24-17 over McMurray scoring 24 unanswered, after being down 17-0 thanks to giving up two pick sixes.

Attended game with my friend Prof Gaines.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: awadelewis on September 11, 2016, 10:39:10 AM
Quote from: jknezek on September 10, 2016, 08:04:59 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 10, 2016, 04:32:58 PM
Sorry Sewanee.
I started watching the game in the 4th quarter when the score was 17-7.  I saw W&L score 14 unanswered points.
It was 21 unanswered. All in the 4th quarter. W&L did not come to play and Sewanee was very disciplined against the option.

Two games in row where Sewanee's gone out to leads early that we've not been able to hold onto late in the game.   After thinking about it overnight, the other area where we have problems is in our secondary.   Not looking forward to seeing our kids play some of the more pass-oriented teams in our league.

Am looking forward to seeing Trinity and AC back with us next fall...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 11, 2016, 10:45:06 PM
Quote from: D3Navy on September 10, 2016, 04:02:41 PM
Any score from the Trinity - Millsaps game?  Stats aren't refreshing...

Not sure what the problem was.   I tweeted them about the problem to no avail.   The box score is a disaster with missing downs and lots of punts mis-entered as kickoffs so my guess would be whoever was doing it yesterday was new to the task. 

As to the game Trinity gave up some big pass plays in the first half and found themselves down 17-3 midway through the second quarter.   They took a 20-17 lead in the second half but gave up a 30 yard run late from which they couldn't recover.   The Majors held Trinity twice on fourth and ones, once inside the Millsaps 5.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RunTheTrap on September 13, 2016, 10:16:33 AM
Congratulations to Southwestern for their victory over McMurray on Saturday. Austin College is at home on 9/17 against  Whittier from CA. Whittier got beat last week by #19 Whitworth 60 - 0. Whittier has a brand new coaching staff this year so I am sure they are still working things out. Whittier should be excited to come to Texas and play a team that is not ranked in the top 20. Austin College has a mix of veterans and youngsters starting this year so I think it may take a few games for them to get in sync.
Title: TLU
Post by: Coolrey on September 13, 2016, 10:34:02 AM
I thought TLU put up a good fight vs. UMHB, but just was not very consistent.  I don't think the score was truly indicative.  Don't get me wrong, TLU was not in a position to win like they were in 2014 playoffs or even for a good part of last year's game.  However, they showed flashes of what they could develop into once the young guns get a few games under their belts.  LC will be another challenge, but not the same animal that UMHB is.  I like TLU's chances this week on the road.  Sometimes, playing on the road allows for greater focus.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Hooyah Cowboys on September 14, 2016, 10:19:22 AM
I hated to see Trinity fall to Millsaps last week. As early as it is in the season, any loss to an unranked team when playing in a 4 team conference essentially eliminates you from the playoff picture.

I was hoping to see another Texas team in the playoffs this year to break up the ridiculous ASC rematch in the first round again but it doesn't look like that will be the case this year. Assuming HSU and UMHB handle their business from here on out, I can't imagine one of us seeing an SCAC team in the playoffs.
I could be wrong though. So, I'm curious to hear what fans of these teams think. Is there a team in this conference that still has a chance at a playoff berth??
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on September 14, 2016, 10:32:58 AM
You could always root for Hendrix out of the SAA. They could end up at UMHB, 480 miles, and are somewhat geography limited. In that case, one of UMHB, HSU or Hendrix would need a different opponent.

Much too early in the season to be thinking about this...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 14, 2016, 11:24:34 AM
You could always root for Hendrix out of the SAA. They could end up at UMHB, 480 miles, and are somewhat geography limited. In that case, one of UMHB, HSU or Hendrix would need a different opponent.

Much too early in the season to be thinking about this...
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Except for UMHB fans, who are hoping to get home field advantage at least thru the first three rounds.

This is essentially the nature of the Linfield at UMHB game...for both teams.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 14, 2016, 11:26:20 AM
TLU, in my opinion, was a playoff caliber team last year but the two losses to HSU and UMHB...two playoff teams...put them in a hole.  With Trinity losing to Millsaps and TLU already at 2 losses, I think chances of a playoff berth for and SCAC team are very slim.  I felt TLU could have made some noise in the playoffs last year, but it was not to be. TLU was a better team than HSU, but not on the day that it counted.  Way too many penalties and turnovers.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RunTheTrap on September 16, 2016, 10:50:39 AM
I agree that it doesn't look good for any of the other SCAC teams to have a shot at making the playoffs. Maybe if Millsaps, and either UHMB or HSU go undefeated, the losses to those teams won't look so bad. I personally will root for any Texas team or Hendrix. My son almost went to Hendrix and I enjoyed the time I spent with their coaching staff when he was getting recruited. Good group of guys up there in AR. I would love to see UHMB or HSU go all the way this year and bring back a national championship.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on September 16, 2016, 11:04:03 AM
Quote from: RunTheTrap on September 16, 2016, 10:50:39 AM
I agree that it doesn't look good for any of the other SCAC teams to have a shot at making the playoffs. Maybe if Millsaps, and either UHMB or HSU go undefeated, the losses to those teams won't look so bad. I personally will root for any Texas team or Hendrix. My son almost went to Hendrix and I enjoyed the time I spent with their coaching staff when he was getting recruited. Good group of guys up there in AR. I would love to see UHMB or HSU go all the way this year and bring back a national championship.

Same.  Come playoff time, if my team isn't a factor I will root for "local" schools.  It doesn't matter to me if we hardly ever play them anymore (say, Trinity) or our biggest rival (say, HSU).  It would be great to see the championship come to the South region.  Much easier said than done, though.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 17, 2016, 09:41:58 PM
Trinity's Running Back, Evan McDowell went off for 189 yards rushing and and TD. What a game for the young man! Trinity holds on for a 9-3 victory over Pacific Lutheran in a particularly sloppy game for the Trinity offense. Had plenty of chances to score but an interception and several fumbles made the game much closer than it should have been. Excellent job by the defense keeping the tigers in the game and sealing it off with an INT to close things out! Would like to see the passing game a little better as they only managed 53 yards through the air.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 18, 2016, 10:37:50 AM
Passing game looked good in the opener so not sure why there were so many difficulties last night.    McDowell ripped off a huge gain (I think 28 yards) on a third-and-17 to key that last drive - without that the game was likely headed to OT. 

In another surprising performance, don't sleep on Southwestern.   Even in a loss they put 500+ yards on ETBU on the road last night, which is no small feat. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on September 18, 2016, 11:13:19 AM
Really impressive early performances by Southwestern. They're fighting tooth and nail with some good teams.

Austin College got out to a big lead and then kinda stumbled in the middle two quarters, similar to what happened last week against Howard Payne. Did enough to get the win, though. Cooper Woodyard had 209 passing yards and 117 rushing yards. Went back through stats for AC since 2000, he's the only QB in that timespan for the 'Roos to pass for 200+ and rush for 100+ in the same game (several have gotten 100+ passing and 100+ rushing).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 18, 2016, 12:38:43 PM
TLU's young offense is still trying to eliminate mistakes though many were still committed vs LC.  Defense also still maturing.  You can tell that the secondary is short on experience as LC hit several big passes.  I believe they will continue to grow up and be ready for conference play.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2016, 02:51:04 PM
Last weekend before the teams head into the final season of SCAC conference play, and everyone's on the road, some quite a ways from home:

Southwestern (1-2) @ UW-RF (0-2):  Falcons are 0-2 but stayed close to teams with combined 6-0 record.
TLU (0-3) @ HSU (2-0):  Bulldogs could start season 0-4 before SCAC play rolls around.
Austin (2-1) @ SWAG SAGU (1-2):  Good chance for 'Roos to pick up third W.
Trinity (2-1) @ Chapman (0-1):  Panthers will have had two weeks to heal up from 48-14 thrashing by Linfield.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2016, 11:41:51 PM
I think that Southwestern has a good chance at winning the conference.

That would be good for the program.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 20, 2016, 10:10:39 AM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on September 19, 2016, 11:41:51 PM
I think that Southwestern has a good chance at winning the conference.

That would be good for the program.

They're certainly in the picture, which isn't something anyone thought would be the case before the season started.

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RunTheTrap on September 21, 2016, 10:10:19 AM
I think it would be great if the SCAC is competitive this year, especially it being the last year. AC has SAGU this week. On paper, it looks like a game that could be won. But SAGU's losses were to ETBU & HSU and they gave up 146 total points in those losses. I have a feeling SAGU is going to come out hard against AC. AC will need to play 4 quarters of football for a win to be possible. They haven't played 4 quarters of good football yet this year. Might as well start on Saturday.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: umhb2001 on September 21, 2016, 02:55:22 PM
Where will Trinity go once the SCAC is no more?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2016, 02:56:17 PM
Quote from: umhb2001 on September 21, 2016, 02:55:22 PM
Where will Trinity go once the SCAC is no more?

Trinity and Austin College (re-)join the SAA as associate members for football.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: wally_wabash on September 21, 2016, 03:15:53 PM
In 2011 the SCAC looked like this:
Austin
Birmingham-Southern
Centre
Millsaps
Rhodes
Sewanee
Trinity (TX)

and in 2017 the SAA will look like this:
Austin
Berry
Birmingham-Southern
Centre
Hendrix
Millsaps
Rhodes
Sewanee
Trinity (TX)

I'm really glad that the SCAC teams have found full leagues to play in, but you look at this and it kind of makes you wonder what the point of all of this was. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on September 21, 2016, 03:47:03 PM
I think Oglethorpe dropped the ball. They needed to re-instate football, along with Berry and Hendrix, and Trinity and Austin would have been sunk. Not sure what happened, but the Petrals were the last piece. That being said, it is only full-circle for football. The SAA schools still eliminated the TX trips in the other sports, so if travel was the issue they got most of what they wanted. I'm guessing they let the last two SCAC members back in for football mostly to simplify scheduling. Some of these schools were taking long OOC trips anyway, so why not help out their former members instead and make their own schedules a little more certain.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RCottman on September 21, 2016, 04:34:12 PM
Plus with Chicago and Washington leaving, they needed 2 teams for the conference to keep its automatic bid.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on September 21, 2016, 04:38:13 PM
Quote from: RCottman on September 21, 2016, 04:34:12 PM
Plus with Chicago and Washington leaving, they needed 2 teams for the conference to keep its automatic bid.

I can't imagine why. They have 7. Given the current access ratio they don't need any more teams to keep the AQ.

Berry
Birmingham-Southern
Centre
Hendrix
Millsaps
Rhodes
Sewanee
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RCottman on September 21, 2016, 04:51:48 PM
Well obviously I can't count.... Other reasons... Recruiting in Texas???  Just a good road trip?  Get to see San Antonio..
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 21, 2016, 04:54:59 PM
Quote from: wally_wabash on September 21, 2016, 03:15:53 PM
In 2011 the SCAC looked like this:
Austin
Birmingham-Southern
Centre
Millsaps
Rhodes
Sewanee
Trinity (TX)

and in 2017 the SAA will look like this:
Austin
Berry
Birmingham-Southern
Centre
Hendrix
Millsaps
Rhodes
Sewanee
Trinity (TX)

I'm really glad that the SCAC teams have found full leagues to play in, but you look at this and it kind of makes you wonder what the point of all of this was.

The SAA split from the SCAC for a combination of reasons:  travel costs and time away were the public reason, with an  undercurrent of "SCAC-West isn't really up to our [academic, financial, reputation] standards" (which is even true in some cases).  As others have pointed out, this recombination is only for football, so the league preserves the travel/time advantages it sought in the many other sports.   One trip to Texas yearly by the football teams isn't going to dramatically change that part of the equation.

I think the SAA coaches & administrators found a nine-team league to the league's benefit and took advantage of the opportunity to keep it at nine schools.   It's a no-brainer for AC and TU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2016, 09:50:53 PM
Not the best weekend for the SCAC, with Trinity still to play:

TLU showed a lot of grit, closing from an early 21-0 deficit to close to within 21-17 of HSU at the half, but gave up too many big plays in eventually falling 48-38.   The Bulldogs put nearly 500 yards on the victors, won the turnover battle 2-1, and held the ball longer than their opponents, but HSU gained over 500 yards and got five TDs from the passing game.   The close result against a top-15 team should give the Bulldogs a boost going into next week's game against Trinity.

Southwestern hung in with UW-River Falls for a half, leading 9-7 after blocking a field goal at the end of the second quarter, but a key turnover deep in their end of the field led to two consecutive Falcon TDs from which the Pirates could never recover, falling 42-22.   SW turned the ball over three times (to none from their opponent).

AC trails SAGU 14-7 very early in the second half but are driving.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 24, 2016, 11:04:31 PM
AC managed a 17-14 lead midway through the fourth but allowed SAGU a long drive which culminated in the final points, resulting in a 21-17 loss.

Trinity is trailing 12-3 late in the second quarter after having a punt blocked for TD and throwing a pick on the Chapman goal line.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on September 24, 2016, 11:45:59 PM
Is anyone getting audio on the Trinity game or is something just wrong with my computer?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on September 25, 2016, 12:32:41 AM
Quote from: tigerguy on September 24, 2016, 11:45:59 PM
Is anyone getting audio on the Trinity game or is something just wrong with my computer?

Hah -- I didn't have any audio either. Glad it wasn't just me.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on September 25, 2016, 06:37:04 AM
Trinity loses 19-17 after missing a 47-yard FG (wide left) on the last play of the game.   That was one of three missed FGs on the night for the Tigers. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on September 25, 2016, 10:44:57 AM
TLU has improved and I think will have a good chance of winning the conference championship.  Won't be easy, but is certainly possible. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on September 25, 2016, 12:44:15 PM
I wrote the the Information Director at Chapman last night about the audio, I hoped it would be addressed. Hopefully they will have things in hand going forward
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RunTheTrap on September 29, 2016, 12:18:37 PM
I thought that AC had a chance against SAGU (even with the 1 hour weather delay). But all the turnovers were just too much to overcome. They will not be able to afford mistakes (turnovers, penalties) if they want a chance to compete in conference play.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on September 29, 2016, 12:56:53 PM
Quote from: RunTheTrap on September 29, 2016, 12:18:37 PM
I thought that AC had a chance against SAGU (even with the 1 hour weather delay). But all the turnovers were just too much to overcome. They will not be able to afford mistakes (turnovers, penalties) if they want a chance to compete in conference play.
I did too.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RunTheTrap on October 06, 2016, 10:52:28 AM
Here is my non-scientific prediction for AC vs SU in Georgetown on Saturday. The first team to get 24 points will win. AC averages 22 ppg and SU averages 18 ppg. Watch me be completely wrong on this. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 09, 2016, 05:58:04 PM
TLU stuck it to Trinity...I knew they would rally up and perform well.  Trinity is not UMHB or even Hardin-Simmons....TLU, if they focus every day and "refuse to lose" from this point forward, will win the conference championship.  Very proud of Coach Padron and his staff....lost a ton of leadership from last couple of years but are in a position to win the title again.  Hope they rally up and get this done!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2016, 11:34:31 PM
It certainly didn't help Trinity losing Evan McDowell (who had rushed for almost 500 yards in the first four games) on the second offensive series, but the real killer was four turnovers (to none recovered).   Pretty surprising to stay within ten when you turn over the ball that much and end the game with a QB forced into the first non-garbage time duty of his career when starter Austin Grauer was lost to injury.   The game was still somewhat in question prior to the injury with Trinity trailing by eight with the ball midway through the fourth quarter. 

The injury to McDowell didn't look as serious as the one Grauer suffered, but hopefully they're both back for the rematch.   A greatly improved Southwestern might have something to say about that conference championship, too.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: RunTheTrap on October 10, 2016, 12:29:16 PM
 Southwestern basically scored at will against AC and put up 600 + yards of total offense. There is no doubt in my mind that SU is the most improved team in the conference. AC is going backwards. It will be interesting to see how the race for the conference championship plays out.   
Title: Coach Padron - TLU
Post by: Coolrey on October 12, 2016, 09:20:25 AM
Great article on TLU's Danny Padron.  He indicates that this could be his last season.  What a job he and his staff have done in the time they have been there.  I hope the team plays with spirit and inspiration for the rest of this season in honor of their head coach and secures the final SCAC championship.  A good, humble, faithful coach who does it the right way and is doing it for the right reasons.  Good luck this week to TLU.

http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2016/TLU-first-win-is-historic-one (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2016/TLU-first-win-is-historic-one)

Title: Re: Coach Padron - TLU
Post by: crufootball on October 12, 2016, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: Royal85 on October 12, 2016, 09:20:25 AM
Great article on TLU's Danny Padron.  He indicates that this could be his last season.  What a job he and his staff have done in the time they have been there.  I hope the team plays with spirit and inspiration for the rest of this season in honor of their head coach and secures the final SCAC championship.  A good, humble, faithful coach who does it the right way and is doing it for the right reasons.  Good luck this week to TLU.

http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2016/TLU-first-win-is-historic-one (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2016/TLU-first-win-is-historic-one)

Coach Padron has done a fine job of building that program, any guesses or hopes for his replacement?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 12, 2016, 11:44:57 AM
Not at this point.  The focus is on winning the conference championship.  If he does decide for certain to retire, I trust the University will consider its options and make the best choice.  But that is down the road.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 14, 2016, 02:36:47 PM
To celebrate 55 years of College Athletic Conference/Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference football, the league office is releasing the top players and moments for each current conference member, culminating with the release of the all-time CAC/SCAC football team.

This Friday, we look at the top players and moments from Austin College:

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/austin_moments_players (http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/austin_moments_players)
Title: Re: Coach Padron - TLU
Post by: umhb2001 on October 14, 2016, 02:44:47 PM
Quote from: crufootball on October 12, 2016, 11:35:08 AM
Quote from: Royal85 on October 12, 2016, 09:20:25 AM
Great article on TLU's Danny Padron.  He indicates that this could be his last season.  What a job he and his staff have done in the time they have been there.  I hope the team plays with spirit and inspiration for the rest of this season in honor of their head coach and secures the final SCAC championship.  A good, humble, faithful coach who does it the right way and is doing it for the right reasons.  Good luck this week to TLU.

http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2016/TLU-first-win-is-historic-one (http://d3football.com/columns/around-the-region/south/2016/TLU-first-win-is-historic-one)

Coach Padron has done a fine job of building that program, any guesses or hopes for his replacement?

I've heard some rumors but can't speak on specifics at this time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 15, 2016, 09:24:48 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on October 09, 2016, 11:34:31 PM
The injury to McDowell didn't look as serious as the one Grauer suffered, but hopefully they're both back for the rematch.   A greatly improved Southwestern might have something to say about that conference championship, too.

Welp.

Austin Grauer was in a soft cast (ankle).
Evan McDowell was in a wheelchair.

Southwestern dominated in every way possible in shutting Trinity out 48-0, the first time Trinity was shut out in the regular season in 20+ years.   The last time they were shut out was their first NCAA playoff appearance against W&J in 1994, another game I had the pleasure (?) of witnessing in person.   Next week's TLU-SW game in Georgetown should be a barnburner. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 17, 2016, 10:37:35 AM
I have absolutely no idea how the standings are going to wind up shaking out. AC certainly played well enough to beat TLU but the offense stalled out in some key situations (driving inside the 10 twice and settling for field goals), and still, an interception with a minute left may very well have been the difference (if that's a completion, AC is on the 20 with timeouts and a 1st down... c'est la vie!).

Should be a very interesting game in Sherman this weekend against Trinity. I wonder how many would have predicted that at this point, Southwestern looks like the frontrunner for the SCAC championship?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on October 22, 2016, 06:10:59 PM
Not sure I've ever seen anything quite like that special teams performance by Trinity.

33.0 YPR on kickoffs
22.7 YPR on punts
1 recovered onside kick
47 yard field goal (only attempt of the game)
2 blocked punts, BOTH returned for touchdowns (by the same guy, no less)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 23, 2016, 09:38:07 AM
Southwestern has shown that the foundation of the first 3 years has taken hold and the program is now competitive with rest of the majority of Texas teams.  TLU is down a bit but is still in the title hunt.  Not sure what the procedure would be in determining a conference champion if TLU and SW end the season with identical conference records unless they just crown them co-champs. TLU's kick coverage has always been shaky at best and it again cost them in its game vs. SW. Big game this week vs. Trinity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TOOLIVEU on October 24, 2016, 04:42:39 PM
Padron has done a wonderful job with the TLU program. He really established a culture there. My hope is if he retires that they would call his son and try and get hime to come back. However, I don't think that will happen with him taking the BG job this past year. I could also see them staying in house and going with Harris. He is the Assistant Head Coach and he knows what he is doing recruiting. Whoever gets it will have a really young and athletic team. TLU has always ahd a problem of keeping guys in the secondary.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Coolrey on October 25, 2016, 08:52:29 AM
Coach Padron has done a great job at TLU.  The focus of the program right now I'm sure is getting a 2nd win against Trinity and then make the final push toward the rematch with SW.  The discussion of what the next step will be should begin after the final game.  Andy Padron I'm sure is focused on his job right now as BGSU is in the midst of a struggle.  TLU's secondary lost some key players who were multi-year starters and it is pretty much a new group this year.  If they stick with it, they will grow into a solid group for next few years.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on October 28, 2016, 06:15:07 PM
To celebrate 55 years of College Athletic Conference/Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference football, the league office is releasing the top players and moments for each current conference member, culminating with the release of the all-time CAC/SCAC football team.

Last Friday, we highlighted Southwestern University (sorry, I missed adding this link last week):

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/southwestern_moments_players (http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/southwestern_moments_players)

And this Friday, its Texas Lutheran University:

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/texas_lutheran_moments_players (http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/texas_lutheran_moments_players)

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on October 28, 2016, 11:53:23 PM
Quote from: scaccommish on October 28, 2016, 06:15:07 PM
To celebrate 55 years of College Athletic Conference/Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference football, the league office is releasing the top players and moments for each current conference member, culminating with the release of the all-time CAC/SCAC football team.

Last Friday, we highlighted Southwestern University (sorry, I missed adding this link last week):

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/southwestern_moments_players (http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/southwestern_moments_players)

And this Friday, its Texas Lutheran University:

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/texas_lutheran_moments_players (http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/texas_lutheran_moments_players)
Thanks and +1!

In my wildest hopes, scaccommish, a few  years ago, I had hoped that at least 2 more SCAC teams (e.g., Centenary UDallas and/or Schreiner) would have added football.

Shucks, I would not have minded your stealing a "football-playing" Concordia Texas to give us TWO Pool A conferences in this part of the country! 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 29, 2016, 11:04:58 PM
Interesting game today in San Antonio.    In the first half TLU pretty much had everything going their way but had to settle for a couple of FGs (including a 47-yarder) as they went into the half with a 20-7 lead.    Trinity came out and got a quick score, but TLU responded and it looked like the Tigers were going to go winless against TLU in the SCAC era, but the defense stiffened markedly, holding the Bulldogs to a couple of three-and-outs while the offense found a groove as Davis King and Justin Ventura took turns driving the team downfield for TD, the last coming with 7:22 remaining.   TLU would get the ball back several times but could not generate a first down.

Seemed like TLU got more conservative with their play calling after their score in the third with very little going downfield, some of which could have been a result of improved coverage by Trinity.   That allowed the Tiger defense to focus on Marcus Barolle, who was held under 50 yards rushing (and a similar amount receiving) on the day.   TLU game story says TU held the Bulldogs to ~75 yards in the second half.

Been a tough year for Trinity with injuries so happy to see them pull one out on a very warm late October afternoon.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on October 30, 2016, 10:12:17 AM
The other thing about yesterday's results is that Southwestern has clinched at least a tie for the final SCAC championship with two games to play.  One win, or one loss by both TLU/TU, will give them the outright championship.   


SW 4-0   v TU @ TLU
TLU 2-2   v AC v TLU
Trinity 2-2  @ SW v AC
AC 0-4 @TLU @TU
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: scaccommish on November 04, 2016, 08:07:35 PM
To celebrate 55 years of College Athletic Conference/Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference football, the league office is releasing the top players and moments for each current conference member, culminating with the release of the all-time CAC/SCAC football team.

Today, its the final installment with the current membership as we take a look at the top players and moments for Trinity University:

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/trinity_moments_players (http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/trinity_moments_players)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 05, 2016, 06:32:22 PM
Wow, what a performance by Austin College, going on the road and beating Texas Lutheran with a guy who last week was the 5th string QB. And at the same time, the 'Roos may have found their QB of the future...the freshman had himself a game. Nearly 300 yards of total offense and four touchdowns.

This team needed that victory, badly.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 05, 2016, 09:10:19 PM
Congrats to AC!   Looking forward to seeing them in SA next week.

Trinity played a much better game at Southwestern this week, especially on defense, but the offense again struggled to get anything going in a 20-7 loss.   At least the Pirates, who clinched the final SCAC championship, didn't set a bunch of all-time conference records this time around.    Congratulations to the Pirates who have come a very long way in a short period of time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: DFWCrufan on November 06, 2016, 08:42:27 AM
Congratulations to Southwestern... 2017 Season... Welcome to the ASC....
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 11, 2016, 03:09:54 PM
With league football going the way of the dodo after this weekend, the SCAC has put together its all-time CAC/SCAC football team.   

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/all_cac_scac

A lot of good memories here.   Thanks to the league office for putting this together.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 12, 2016, 11:10:39 PM
A defensive struggle today in San Antonio where neither team threatened early leading to a scoreless tie at halftime.   Trinity finally got its running game going and pressured the QB leading to two interceptions and a 14-0 win.   Luke Packard had 2 1/2 sacks and set the Trinity career sack record in his last game as a Tiger.

Southwestern completed SCAC play undefeated with a 35-31 win at TLU.   Bryan Hicks threw for 312 yards and 5 TDs, the final one halfway through the fourth providing the final margin.   Marcus Barolle ended his Bulldog career with a 28 carry, 215 yard effort and three TDs.

They had cool commemorative coins made up for the respective coin tosses to commemorate the games being the last in 55 years of football in the SCAC (and predecessor CAC).   I guess Pat will close this board down before too much longer.   Here's to everyone involved in the sport over the years, and best of luck to all the teams as they head to ASC and SAA play next season.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: GillCJ1 on November 14, 2016, 08:34:19 AM
Good luck to all the SCAC football schools on the next stage of their journey.  Very interested to see how the SAA plays out in the future with Trinity and Austin in the mix.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 18, 2016, 05:45:39 PM
The final all-SCAC football team was announced today:

http://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2016-17/releases/all_scac

Congratulations to all honorees. 

The coaches who select these teams don't have an easy task, but since it's the last one, I'll pick a bone with the DPoY selection.   ;D

Player 1: 
- 60 tackles (12th in SCAC)
- 20.5 for loss (3rd in SCAC/9th in D3)
- 15.5 sacks (2nd in SCAC/2nd in D3)
- 9 QBH
- 1 fumble recovery

Player 2:
- 87 tackles (3rd in SCAC)
- 27.0 for loss (1st in SCAC/2nd in D3)
- 16.5 sacks (1st in SCAC/1st in D3)
- 14 QBH

You can probably figure by now that Player 1 is the 2016 SCAC DPoY.   Player 2, Trinity's Luke Packard, would also have been a worthy selection.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on December 23, 2017, 03:11:40 PM
Really cool video of former TLU football player getting awarded a scholarship to Texas Tech.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d93xFN_-Ja4
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on December 23, 2017, 04:05:02 PM
TLU now plays football in the ASC ;-)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Jack Parkman on December 23, 2017, 07:45:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 23, 2017, 04:05:02 PM
TLU now plays football in the ASC ;-)

Well shoot, thought I had it right with them in the SCAC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2022, 03:44:50 PM
(https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/the_return_of_the_living_dead_collectors_edition_4823311.jpg)

With McMurry joining the SCAC in 2024, Centenary (LA) starting the sport in that timeframe, and Schreiner very seriously studying reactivating their 70-odd year defunct program, all indications are that we'll once again see the sport sponsored by the conference in that timeframe.   
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2022, 04:20:59 PM
Where are the football programs now?

Existing:
New:
Highly unlikely but you never know:
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Cowboy2 on November 01, 2022, 04:44:10 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2022, 04:20:59 PM
Where are the football programs now?

Existing:
  • Austin College - four year commitment to the ASC through 2024 season (https://d3football.com/notables/2020/08/austin-college-brings-football-back-asc)
  • McMurry - ASC, coming to SCAC in 2024 (https://d3sports.com/notables/2022/11/mcmurry-moves-to-scac-opens-door-football)
  • Southwestern - ASC since 2017 (https://d3football.com/notables/2015/12/tlu-southwestern-join-asc-football); starting in SAA in 2023 (https://d3football.com/notables/2021/08/southwestern-announces-move-to-saa)
  • Texas Lutheran - ASC since 2017 (https://d3football.com/notables/2015/12/tlu-southwestern-join-asc-football)
  • Trinity - SAA since 2017 (https://d3football.com/notables/2015/11/saa-brings-back-austin-trinity)
New:
  • Centenary (LA) - program starts in 2024 (https://gocentenary.com/general/2021-22/releases/202111101o6suj)
  • Schreiner - program MAY start in 2024 (https://kerrcountylead.bulletin.com/292277279434096/) (article says 2023, no way if they haven't made a firm decision yet)
Highly unlikely but you never know:
  • Colorado College - former SCAC program was killed to save costs and they seem adamant it will never restart
  • Hardin-Simmons - this was the ASC school from Abilene I thought might come years ago; hey McM will need a travel partner  ;)
  • Lyon College - needs a football home, but it's a long way away even if they just would be an affiliate

Nice update Ron! This is interesting...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BSCpanthers on November 01, 2022, 05:21:09 PM
I'd expect Southwestern to do two years in the SAA before beginning play in the SCAC.  That could put them at 6, even if Schreiner doesn't get their program going. 

They will have an auto bid in no time, and when that happens, Hardin-Simmons will jump as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 01, 2022, 06:36:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2022, 04:20:59 PM
Where are the football programs now?

Existing:
  • Austin College - four year commitment to the ASC through 2024 season (https://d3football.com/notables/2020/08/austin-college-brings-football-back-asc)
  • McMurry - ASC, coming to SCAC in 2024 (https://d3sports.com/notables/2022/11/mcmurry-moves-to-scac-opens-door-football)
  • Southwestern - ASC since 2017 (https://d3football.com/notables/2015/12/tlu-southwestern-join-asc-football); starting in SAA in 2023 (https://d3football.com/notables/2021/08/southwestern-announces-move-to-saa)
  • Texas Lutheran - ASC since 2017 (https://d3football.com/notables/2015/12/tlu-southwestern-join-asc-football)
  • Trinity - SAA since 2017 (https://d3football.com/notables/2015/11/saa-brings-back-austin-trinity)
New:
  • Centenary (LA) - program starts in 2024 (https://gocentenary.com/general/2021-22/releases/202111101o6suj)
  • Schreiner - program MAY start in 2024 (https://kerrcountylead.bulletin.com/292277279434096/) (article says 2023, no way if they haven't made a firm decision yet)
Highly unlikely but you never know:
  • Colorado College - former SCAC program was killed to save costs and they seem adamant it will never restart
  • Hardin-Simmons - this was the ASC school from Abilene I thought might come years ago; hey McM will need a travel partner  ;)
  • Lyon College - needs a football home, but it's a long way away even if they just would be an affiliate

This is very interesting.  Like you, I am surprised that McMurry is the school that is moving to the SCAC.  The press release is also interesting in two respects.  First, in mentioning the athletic programs McMurry participates in, football is included.  Second, when describing the SCAC, there is no mention of what sports the SCAC sponsors except to say that its members "are committed to sponsoring a variety of varsity sports". 

The SCAC trying (and appears it will be very likely) to sponsor football again does not surprise me.  Centenary starting a program, the DIII decision that 6 team conferences have AQs and the SCAC voting unanimously in favor of that proposal was a strong indication that the SCAC and its members wanted the conference to get back into football.  It is my opinion that TLU, Trinity, Southwestern and Austin College never wanted the SCAC to stop sponsoring football in the first place. They played multiple seasons without an AQ and played a season (or was it two?) of home and aways within the conference before giving up that battle and affiliating with the SAA and ASC. 

The Schreiner news is also very surprising and we will see what their decision is.  The most interesting part of the article are the quotes from the School's Marketing and Communications Manager, "The conference is leaning toward turning the conference into a football conference" and "so, they reached out to all the conference schools to ask if the schools wanted to start a football program..."  To me, that confirms the SCAC's and their school's intent.

This is probably not the last domino to fall.  I would not be surprised if more movement and announcements are coming.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2022, 06:43:48 PM
McMurry sponsors every sport that the SCAC sponsors.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 01, 2022, 06:48:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2022, 06:43:48 PM
McMurry sponsors every sport that the SCAC sponsors.

Right, except for football. Nothing in the SCAC's press release states that McMurry's football will or will not be part of the SCAC.  Its the silence that I find interesting.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 01, 2022, 08:10:39 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on November 01, 2022, 06:48:00 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on November 01, 2022, 06:43:48 PM
McMurry sponsors every sport that the SCAC sponsors.

Right, except for football. Nothing in the SCAC's press release states that McMurry's football will or will not be part of the SCAC.  Its the silence that I find interesting.

Until the SCAC gets commitments from everyone that yeah, they will come back to play football in the SCAC and when, they can't and won't make an announcement about that.  As  mentioned Austin has a commitment to the ASC until 2025, Schreiner is still in the works, and who knows if anything else is in play.  McMurry may have wanted to announce *now* so they can get started on their scheduling and transition for the other sports with an understanding that football is going to come along sometime soon.  And so McM agrees not to say anything about football in their release, nor does the SCAC.

Commissioner Hanberry surprised me (and probably a lot of others) when he stayed with the SCAC after the SAA split off, when he managed to pull the conference from the edge of death to where it is today, and now with the McMurry announcement.   It would not surprise me to hear that he still has plans up his sleeve. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 01, 2022, 10:35:58 PM
In many conferences, it's automatic, really -- once the conference has enough members that sponsor a sport, it's a conference sport. That number of members could vary from conference to conference but the mechanism is usually pretty standard.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2022, 09:06:42 AM
I had a brief exchange with Steve Ulrich, the man behind d3playbook.com (an excellent daily summary of all things D3 sports, www.D3playbook.com (https://www.d3playbook.com) if you're not familiar with it) who said the commish may have something to say in the very near future.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: tigerguy on November 02, 2022, 11:57:56 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2022, 09:06:42 AM
I had a brief exchange with Steve Ulrich, the man behind d3playbook.com (an excellent daily summary of all things D3 sports, www.D3playbook.com (https://www.d3playbook.com) if you're not familiar with it) who said the commish may have something to say in the very near future.

You tease.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on November 02, 2022, 01:38:22 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 02, 2022, 09:06:42 AM
I had a brief exchange with Steve Ulrich, the man behind d3playbook.com (an excellent daily summary of all things D3 sports, www.D3playbook.com (https://www.d3playbook.com) if you're not familiar with it) who said the commish may have something to say in the very near future.

The title to McMurry's article on its athletic's webpage (emphasis is mine):

MCMURRY UNIVERSITY UNIFIES INTERCOLLEGIATE ATHLETICS JOINING SOUTHERN COLLEGIATE ATHLETIC CONFERENCE IN FALL 2024

https://mcmurrysports.com/news/2022/11/1/general-mcmurry-university-unifies-intercollegiate-athletics-joining-southern-collegiate-athletic-conference-in-fall-2024.aspx

Seems the cat is out of the bag.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 02, 2022, 02:00:40 PM
https://scacsports.com/sports/fball/2022-23/releases/scac_announces_lyon_addition_football_return
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 02, 2022, 02:03:52 PM
With more context:
https://www.d3football.com/notables/2022/11/scac-announces-football-plans
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on November 04, 2022, 08:56:50 AM
Man, if I actually had the skills needed for this new position (Associate AD - Athletics Multimedia) I might apply and (if hired, LOL) retire from the grind today.   But on the very slim chance someone here knows someone who might have them and be in the market:   https://www.trinity.edu/human-resources/employment-opportunities/staff/41456

Quote
Assistant Athletic Director – Athletics Multimedia
Summary
Responsible for the conceptualization and production of creative content including: video, photos, graphics and other connecting experiences for the Athletic Department's print and digital channels.  Oversees creative direction from concept to completion, developing thoughtful, engaging and cohesive materials.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Sports information and small college athletics is its own grind!
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on November 04, 2022, 01:28:03 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 04, 2022, 12:17:40 PM
Sports information and small college athletics is its own grind!

No lies detected.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: BSCpanthers on December 19, 2022, 10:22:18 PM
Austin College has hired Birmingham Southern head coach Tony Joe White.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on February 01, 2023, 03:04:15 PM
Update on Centenary's progress:  https://shreveportbossierjournal.com/2023/02/01/centenarys-return-to-gridiron-gathers-momentum-today/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2023, 09:15:48 AM
SCAC affiliate-to-be Lyon announces its inaugural season (https://lyonscots.com/news/2023/3/1/football-scots-announce-2023-football-schedule.aspx) - none of their future conference opponents are on the schedule, but two ASC teams are:

Sept. 2 – Grinnell College (Batesville)
Sept. 9 – Belhaven University (Batesville)
Sept. 16 – at Howard Payne University (Brownwood, Texas)
Sept. 23 – Westminster College (Batesville)
Sept. 30 – at Finlandia University (Hancock, Michigan)
Oct. 7 – at Alfred State (Alfred, New York)
Oct. 28 – at Hilbert College (Hamburg, New York)
Nov. 4 – at Luther College (Decorah, Iowa)
Nov. 11 – Iowa Wesleyan (Batesville)             
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on March 02, 2023, 09:46:48 AM
An observation only.  Lyon has a 9-game schedule, with an open date on Oct 17th.  Trinity's bye week is the same.  Should the worst come to pass for BSC this fall, Lyon might be a fallback option to get to 10 games.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on March 02, 2023, 10:26:54 AM
Wow. Those three trips to Michigan and New York can't be cheap.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 02, 2023, 10:44:18 AM
Quote from: Bmo on March 02, 2023, 09:46:48 AM
An observation only.  Lyon has a 9-game schedule, with an open date on Oct 17th.  Trinity's bye week is the same.  Should the worst come to pass for BSC this fall, Lyon might be a fallback option to get to 10 games.

With the obscenely difficult non-conference schedule almost certainly substantially boosting SOS it's hard to believe that a game against what will likely be a bottom-feeding Lyon (1-9 last year with some of the losses coming *before* the move to D3 was announced) would help in any way.  Can't see Lyon wanting to take another nearly 700-mile trip and Trinity's gotta be shooting the travel budget as it is going to Collegeville on top of their SAA travel.   Edit:  I guess it would be cheaper to go to Arkansas than to Birmingham. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on March 02, 2023, 12:54:28 PM
Against that schedule, Lyon has a chance to go 4-4 against d3 opponents, so their SOS impact would be marginal.  It would be better than a bye week or NAIA fill-in.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 02, 2023, 02:15:11 PM
Their OWP would be terrible, though. That is Trinity's OOWP.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Bmo on March 02, 2023, 06:10:09 PM
Well, looks like Lyon won't have to worry about that trip to Michigan.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on March 02, 2023, 06:23:04 PM
Quote from: Bmo on March 02, 2023, 06:10:09 PM
Well, looks like Lyon won't have to worry about that trip to Michigan.

Unfortunate.  These closures just seem to be more and more common.  Being a graduate of a small college, I want to see this trend stop.  I know what TLU did for me and, while the small college experience may not be for everyone, alternatives to giant universities are needed in higher education.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 10:43:41 AM
Trinity and Southwestern just announced they are moving to the SAA (all sports) in 2025. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on March 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 10:43:41 AM
Trinity and Southwestern just announced they are moving to the SAA (all sports) in 2025.

This is too bad.  Posted something similar on the ASC page but this appears to open the door for some sort of combination between the SCAC and ASC for football, at a minimum.  I would think a merger of the two conferences would be on the table as well.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 04:23:12 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on March 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 10:43:41 AM
Trinity and Southwestern just announced they are moving to the SAA (all sports) in 2025.

This is too bad.  Posted something similar on the ASC page but this appears to open the door for some sort of combination between the SCAC and ASC for football, at a minimum.  I would think a merger of the two conferences would be on the table as well.

There are too many schools in the ASC for a merger - still eight after McMurry and Sul Ross leave.  It's just that only four of them play football, and that's where I can [now] see the two getting together.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on March 09, 2023, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 04:23:12 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on March 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 10:43:41 AM
Trinity and Southwestern just announced they are moving to the SAA (all sports) in 2025.

This is too bad.  Posted something similar on the ASC page but this appears to open the door for some sort of combination between the SCAC and ASC for football, at a minimum.  I would think a merger of the two conferences would be on the table as well.

There are too many schools in the ASC for a merger - still eight after McMurry and Sul Ross leave.  It's just that only four of them play football, and that's where I can [now] see the two getting together.

True but a conference of 15 is doable. Certainly not unheard of.  I recall the ASC being around 16 when I was at TLU and shortly thereafter but my guess is that was a factor for multiple schools moving to other conferences. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jknezek on March 09, 2023, 04:55:59 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on March 09, 2023, 04:32:30 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 04:23:12 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on March 09, 2023, 04:17:09 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 09, 2023, 10:43:41 AM
Trinity and Southwestern just announced they are moving to the SAA (all sports) in 2025.

This is too bad.  Posted something similar on the ASC page but this appears to open the door for some sort of combination between the SCAC and ASC for football, at a minimum.  I would think a merger of the two conferences would be on the table as well.

There are too many schools in the ASC for a merger - still eight after McMurry and Sul Ross leave.  It's just that only four of them play football, and that's where I can [now] see the two getting together.

True but a conference of 15 is doable. Certainly not unheard of.  I recall the ASC being around 16 when I was at TLU and shortly thereafter but my guess is that was a factor for multiple schools moving to other conferences.

The ODAC has 15 full members, but I suspect they are one of the biggest conferences in the country. A caveat, 2 of those members are womens only (Hollins and Sweet Briar), one is mens only (Hampden-Sydney). So no sport has more than 14 participants, and I think that's only women's soccer (though t&f, cc, swimming I'm not sure). Several others have 13 participants. Frankly, I think it's too big. I don't like the setup for sports that don't play a full round-robin (men's and women's soccer and probably some others), but it can be done.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on March 09, 2023, 05:12:20 PM
Quote from: jknezek on March 09, 2023, 04:55:59 PM
The ODAC has 15 full members, but I suspect they are one of the biggest conferences in the country. A caveat, 2 of those members are womens only (Hollins and Sweet Briar), one is mens only (Hampden-Sydney). So no sport has more than 14 participants, and I think that's only women's soccer (though t&f, cc, swimming I'm not sure). Several others have 13 participants. Frankly, I think it's too big. I don't like the setup for sports that don't play a full round-robin (men's and women's soccer and probably some others), but it can be done.

I completely agree. I don't like that setup either but I have to think it is on the table right now.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 10, 2023, 09:36:05 PM
This is what the SCAC office tweeted (https://twitter.com/SCAC_Sports/status/1633899836855468054?s=20) yesterday:

QuoteWe plan to have 6 football teams by no later than 2026 with an NCAA AQ. SCAC football returns in 2024 with Austin, Centenary, Lyon (affiliate) & McMurry. We are hopeful that Schreiner will be up & running by 2025 and Texas Lutheran will transition from the ASC no later than 2026.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2023, 12:33:10 AM
I guess that leaves the Baptist Four in the ASC.
The SCAC is a more winnable conference only to be monkey-stomped or double monkey-stomped by an ASC team in the 1st round.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on March 11, 2023, 12:38:08 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 10, 2023, 09:36:05 PM
This is what the SCAC office tweeted (https://twitter.com/SCAC_Sports/status/1633899836855468054?s=20) yesterday:

QuoteWe plan to have 6 football teams by no later than 2026 with an NCAA AQ. SCAC football returns in 2024 with Austin, Centenary, Lyon (affiliate) & McMurry. We are hopeful that Schreiner will be up & running by 2025 and Texas Lutheran will transition from the ASC no later than 2026.
Gee, McMurry could win the SCAC with a 3-7 record!

Look at performance of all McMurry teams since the return to D3. There is a real paucity of championships compared to pre-D2 days.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Third Division on March 14, 2023, 12:39:28 PM
I'd like to embarrassingly point out that I just learned that the SCAC is not the SCIAC.  :-[
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: D3Navy on March 14, 2023, 07:05:53 PM
Quote from: TromboneJB on March 14, 2023, 12:39:28 PM
I'd like to embarrassingly point out that I just learned that the SCAC is not the SCIAC.  :-[

The last honest man. 

Easy mistake.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: The Third Division on March 14, 2023, 10:16:19 PM
"ASC schools want to make cross country trips to Cali."

Seems kinda sus
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on March 16, 2023, 04:40:51 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 10, 2023, 09:36:05 PM
This is what the SCAC office tweeted (https://twitter.com/SCAC_Sports/status/1633899836855468054?s=20) yesterday:

QuoteWe plan to have 6 football teams by no later than 2026 with an NCAA AQ. SCAC football returns in 2024 with Austin, Centenary, Lyon (affiliate) & McMurry. We are hopeful that Schreiner will be up & running by 2025 and Texas Lutheran will transition from the ASC no later than 2026.

Interesting wording there with, "We are hopeful".  That does not sound certain, and the sentence could be viewed as ambiguous. Does the "hopeful" statement refer to just Schreiner being up and running or does hopeful also refer to TLU transitioning? I read it as the conference being merely hopeful that both will happen.  That statement does not give me confidence that the SCAC will ever reach the AQ minimum and I still think there is a lot more movement to come.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 16, 2023, 06:49:08 PM
Yes, a well-placed comma could have helped here:

"We plan to have 6 football teams by no later than 2026 with an NCAA AQ. SCAC football returns in 2024 with Austin, Centenary, Lyon (affiliate) & McMurry. We are hopeful that Schreiner will be up & running by 2025, and Texas Lutheran will transition from the ASC no later than 2026."

makes a stronger statement than the tweet as written.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 31, 2023, 10:52:30 AM
As a part of the recent SAA press release about SW and TU, I found the following in the "about Southwestern" paragraph:

QuoteSouthwestern is investing more than $120 million over the next three years in capital projects while embarking on plans to create a liberal arts-inspired city on more than 500 acres contiguous to campus.

As has been mentioned before, even after the sale a couple years ago of a number of outlying parcels, the school still owns a good deal of land to the east and northeast of the current campus, which sits on 100 of the some 701 acres the school now says it owns* (https://www.southwestern.edu/about-southwestern/university-profile/). 

"Creating a liberal arts-inspired city" on 500 acres would probably take the entire current endowment, if not more, and I've seen nothing else to date about this proposal, so it will be interesting to keep an eye out to see what comes of this.  It might be a private-private partnership only tangentially-related to the school (housing, commercial, etc). 

* - parts of this page haven't been updated for years but it seems pretty likely the school still owns at least 600 acres  8-)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2023, 11:18:47 AM
I would bet they could probably find investment partners in a project like that and not have to take on the entire burden themselves?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on March 31, 2023, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2023, 11:18:47 AM
I would bet they could probably find investment partners in a project like that and not have to take on the entire burden themselves?

That was what I clumsily inferred (or was trying to infer) when I said "private-private partnership". 

Still haven't found any deets on this rather major initiative.  Here's a eleven-day old story on the $120 mill in new facility/upgrades (https://www.southwestern.edu/live/news/15527-building-the-future), which includes the new football stadium.  Also interesting is source of funds:  $80M from long-term bonds, $20M from existing maintenance funds, only $20M from fundraising.   Another story from earlier this month talks about a new capital campaign (https://www.southwestern.edu/live/news/15527-building-the-future) to raise $150M ("Thrive: the Campaign for Southwestern University (https://www.southwestern.edu/giving/building-a-better-tomorrow/)". According to the kickoff event schedule there are "seven major Campus Master Plan building initiatives" which will "transform Southwestern's campus for generations to come" and plan to "share exciting news about our future as a leader in higher education."   So maybe that's where they'll talk about the 500 acres.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Etchglow on March 31, 2023, 12:46:01 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 31, 2023, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on March 31, 2023, 11:18:47 AM
I would bet they could probably find investment partners in a project like that and not have to take on the entire burden themselves?

That was what I clumsily inferred (or was trying to infer) when I said "private-private partnership". 

Still haven't found any deets on this rather major initiative.  Here's a eleven-day old story on the $120 mill in new facility/upgrades (https://www.southwestern.edu/live/news/15527-building-the-future), which includes the new football stadium.  Also interesting is source of funds:  $80M from long-term bonds, $20M from existing maintenance funds, only $20M from fundraising.   Another story from earlier this month talks about a new capital campaign (https://www.southwestern.edu/live/news/15527-building-the-future) to raise $150M ("Thrive: the Campaign for Southwestern University (https://www.southwestern.edu/giving/building-a-better-tomorrow/)". According to the kickoff event schedule there are "seven major Campus Master Plan building initiatives" which will "transform Southwestern's campus for generations to come" and plan to "share exciting news about our future as a leader in higher education."   So maybe that's where they'll talk about the 500 acres.

That seems mighty ambitious.  Would be kind of cool, although traffic already sucks on 29 lol.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on March 31, 2023, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 31, 2023, 10:52:30 AM
As a part of the recent SAA press release about SW and TU, I found the following in the "about Southwestern" paragraph:

QuoteSouthwestern is investing more than $120 million over the next three years in capital projects while embarking on plans to create a liberal arts-inspired city on more than 500 acres contiguous to campus.

As has been mentioned before, even after the sale a couple years ago of a number of outlying parcels, the school still owns a good deal of land to the east and northeast of the current campus, which sits on 100 of the some 701 acres the school now says it owns* (https://www.southwestern.edu/about-southwestern/university-profile/). 

"Creating a liberal arts-inspired city" on 500 acres would probably take the entire current endowment, if not more, and I've seen nothing else to date about this proposal, so it will be interesting to keep an eye out to see what comes of this.  It might be a private-private partnership only tangentially-related to the school (housing, commercial, etc). 

* - parts of this page haven't been updated for years but it seems pretty likely the school still owns at least 600 acres  8-)

Really interesting.  I wouldn't be surprised to see more small liberal arts universities trying partnerships like this.  It is abundantly clear that

Well, I was distracted by work, thought I had deleted this post but, obviously, I didn't and mistakenly posted it midsentence! Let me complete my thought:

It is clear that a number of small liberal arts and private colleges and universities are struggling to stay open.  It seems another small college or university is announcing it is closing its doors almost every week now.  I am not surprised to see colleges like SW trying unique and novel ways to distinguish themselves.  I am not suggesting that SW is struggling but I think any small college or university would be smart to find other ways to differentiate themselves.  My only question with this, as has been noted by others, is that this plan by SW is not using SW's endowment and SW is not overleveraging itself to get this done.  I don't think that is the case and I am interested to learn more about what SW is doing.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on April 22, 2023, 10:38:11 AM
Pat Coleman did an excellent interview with Collegiate Sports Connect about the future of Division 3 football in Texas ... focusing on the ASC and the SCAC as well as a potential UMHB move (all theoretical, no rumors about there being any actual motion).  UNfortunately you do have to sign up for an account and they're focused on school administrators so you basically have to make some stuff up to complete the process.  But it is worth your while to do so.

Pat says (on Twitter) (https://twitter.com/d3football/status/1649520332338765824): 

QuoteGreat conversation with @AnthonyGrassi23 of @CS_Connect1 about the state of #d3fb in Texas, with the ASC facing membership questions, the SCAC losing two football members before it even starts and more. Free registration required.

Collegiate Sports Connect says (https://twitter.com/CS_Connect1/status/1648676105610571777): 

Quote"@d3sports Executive Editor Pat Coleman joins @AnthonyGrassi23  on: 

> Changes occurring in Texas for @NCAADIII
> @SCAC_Sports upstart football league
> Potential conference expansions

>> https://csconnect.live/?feed=1279"

The link above will take you to a signup form, after which you will have access to their site which has a link to the interview. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
Concordia, Ozarks to join SCAC in 24-25!

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on May 15, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
Concordia, Ozarks to join SCAC in 24-25!

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks

Interesting.  I always like to read the quotes from these press releases. They always stick them at the bottom of the article but I find them the most interesting.  The quotes from University of Ozarks are the most enlightening here and seem to be taking shots are particular schools in the ASC:

1. "One of the main attractions for us is that all the SCAC member institutions are private, independent colleges, which aligns with schools who have similar philosophies, including fellow Presbyterian institutions Austin College and Schreiner University."

2. "To remain among institutions that live by the standard of academics first is an NCAA Division III principle that we hold in high regard."

3. "The SCAC gives us a stable NCAA Division III conference whose member colleges fit us better in regards to enrollment size and facilities."

Concordia's quotes were much more diplomatic.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on May 15, 2023, 03:49:02 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 15, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
Concordia, Ozarks to join SCAC in 24-25!

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks

Interesting.  I always like to read the quotes from these press releases. They always stick them at the bottom of the article but I find them the most interesting.  The quotes from University of Ozarks are the most enlightening here:

1. "One of the main attractions for us is that all the SCAC member institutions are private, independent colleges, which aligns with schools who have similar philosophies, including fellow Presbyterian institutions Austin College and Schreiner University."

2. "To remain among institutions that live by the standard of academics first is an NCAA Division III principle that we hold in high regard."

3. "The SCAC gives us a stable NCAA Division III conference whose member colleges fit us better in regards to enrollment size and facilities."

Translation: "Peace out, Mary Hardin-Baylor."
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on May 15, 2023, 03:54:34 PM
Quote from: jekelish on May 15, 2023, 03:49:02 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 15, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
Concordia, Ozarks to join SCAC in 24-25!

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks

Interesting.  I always like to read the quotes from these press releases. They always stick them at the bottom of the article but I find them the most interesting.  The quotes from University of Ozarks are the most enlightening here:

1. "One of the main attractions for us is that all the SCAC member institutions are private, independent colleges, which aligns with schools who have similar philosophies, including fellow Presbyterian institutions Austin College and Schreiner University."

2. "To remain among institutions that live by the standard of academics first is an NCAA Division III principle that we hold in high regard."

3. "The SCAC gives us a stable NCAA Division III conference whose member colleges fit us better in regards to enrollment size and facilities."

Translation: "Peace out, Mary Hardin-Baylor."

Right.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Etchglow on May 15, 2023, 04:51:29 PM
Quote from: jekelish on May 15, 2023, 03:49:02 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 15, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
Concordia, Ozarks to join SCAC in 24-25!

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks

Interesting.  I always like to read the quotes from these press releases. They always stick them at the bottom of the article but I find them the most interesting.  The quotes from University of Ozarks are the most enlightening here:

1. "One of the main attractions for us is that all the SCAC member institutions are private, independent colleges, which aligns with schools who have similar philosophies, including fellow Presbyterian institutions Austin College and Schreiner University."

2. "To remain among institutions that live by the standard of academics first is an NCAA Division III principle that we hold in high regard."

3. "The SCAC gives us a stable NCAA Division III conference whose member colleges fit us better in regards to enrollment size and facilities."

Translation: "Peace out, Mary Hardin-Baylor."

UMHB homer here, but yeah... That's the way I'm reading it lol.  Although, not sure who the shot at them all being "private, independent colleges" is at, unless it is UT-D?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 05:13:30 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on May 15, 2023, 04:51:29 PM
Quote from: jekelish on May 15, 2023, 03:49:02 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 15, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
Concordia, Ozarks to join SCAC in 24-25!

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks

Interesting.  I always like to read the quotes from these press releases. They always stick them at the bottom of the article but I find them the most interesting.  The quotes from University of Ozarks are the most enlightening here:

1. "One of the main attractions for us is that all the SCAC member institutions are private, independent colleges, which aligns with schools who have similar philosophies, including fellow Presbyterian institutions Austin College and Schreiner University."

2. "To remain among institutions that live by the standard of academics first is an NCAA Division III principle that we hold in high regard."

3. "The SCAC gives us a stable NCAA Division III conference whose member colleges fit us better in regards to enrollment size and facilities."

Translation: "Peace out, Mary Hardin-Baylor."

UMHB homer here, but yeah... That's the way I'm reading it lol.  Although, not sure who the shot at them all being "private, independent colleges" is at, unless it is UT-D?

UT-D gets called out for that as well as being huge in comparison.  Ironically UT-D probably has the best academics in the ASC, better than most of the SCAC. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cover2 on May 15, 2023, 06:11:09 PM
Posted the below on ASC board too but it obviously applies.  I think it's more a shot at UTD since Ozarks doesn't have football...

The two schools leaving today don't effect football so it's difficult to say they're running from UMHB.  As a matter of fact, it would be more likely to say running from UTD since they've won more conference titles as a whole than any other ASC schools recently.  Really curious to see what transpires.  Also curious as to why the SCAC is actively going after schools so far away from Georgia.  Will they move their HQ?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 07:28:59 PM
You've confused the SAA (also HQd in GA) with the SCAC.  SAA is all over the Southeast having split from the SCAC in 2012.  SCAC is almost exclusively TX, only the HQ is in GA as explained in response to your ASC post. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Riley Zayas on May 15, 2023, 08:57:06 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 15, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
Concordia, Ozarks to join SCAC in 24-25!

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks

Interesting.  I always like to read the quotes from these press releases. They always stick them at the bottom of the article but I find them the most interesting.  The quotes from University of Ozarks are the most enlightening here and seem to be taking shots are particular schools in the ASC:

1. "One of the main attractions for us is that all the SCAC member institutions are private, independent colleges, which aligns with schools who have similar philosophies, including fellow Presbyterian institutions Austin College and Schreiner University."

2. "To remain among institutions that live by the standard of academics first is an NCAA Division III principle that we hold in high regard."

3. "The SCAC gives us a stable NCAA Division III conference whose member colleges fit us better in regards to enrollment size and facilities."

Concordia's quotes were much more diplomatic.

Southwestern did the same thing a couple years ago when it decided to move its football from the ASC to the SAA. Honestly, did we ever feel like Ozarks really fit in with the ASC though? Honestly, they tend to have a much more similar set up to Schreiner, than say, ETBU or UMHB or HSU. It's 100% a shot at the more athletic-oriented schools in the league, but I always thought it was just a matter of time before Ozarks found its way to the SCAC. They were never really competitive in any sports in the ASC, besides MBB in 2020-21.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on May 15, 2023, 08:57:06 PM
Southwestern did the same thing a couple years ago when it decided to move its football from the ASC to the SAA. Honestly, did we ever feel like Ozarks really fit in with the ASC though? Honestly, they tend to have a much more similar set up to Schreiner, than say, ETBU or UMHB or HSU. It's 100% a shot at the more athletic-oriented schools in the league, but I always thought it was just a matter of time before Ozarks found its way to the SCAC. They were never really competitive in any sports in the ASC, besides MBB in 2020-21.

I am completely unfamiliar with University of the Ozarks except that it is in Arkansas and they announced yesterday that they are moving their athletics to the SCAC. Whether they were competitive in the ASC or will be in the SCAC, I don't know.

What I find surprisingg is that schools leaving the ASC keep taking barely veiled shots at their soon to be former conference mates. I recall the McMurry announcement being more along the lines of the Ozarks announcement yesterday.  I don't remember (or maybe never read) Southwestern's announcement when they moved football conferences.

I can understand a school wanting to move conferences for numerous reasons.  We see this every year at every level of college sports. But these press releases surprise me. You are going to run into these schools again. In the short term, you are going to need a non-conference schedule.  In the long term, the forever shifting winds will cause additional realignment and you are likely to find yourself bargaining with the same people just at a different table.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Etchglow on May 16, 2023, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on May 15, 2023, 08:57:06 PM
Southwestern did the same thing a couple years ago when it decided to move its football from the ASC to the SAA. Honestly, did we ever feel like Ozarks really fit in with the ASC though? Honestly, they tend to have a much more similar set up to Schreiner, than say, ETBU or UMHB or HSU. It's 100% a shot at the more athletic-oriented schools in the league, but I always thought it was just a matter of time before Ozarks found its way to the SCAC. They were never really competitive in any sports in the ASC, besides MBB in 2020-21.

I am completely unfamiliar with University of the Ozarks except that it is in Arkansas and they announced yesterday that they are moving their athletics to the SCAC. Whether they were competitive in the ASC or will be in the SCAC, I don't know.

What I find surprisingg is that schools leaving the ASC keep taking barely veiled shots at their soon to be former conference mates. I recall the McMurry announcement being more along the lines of the Ozarks announcement yesterday.  I don't remember (or maybe never read) Southwestern's announcement when they moved football conferences.

I can understand a school wanting to move conferences for numerous reasons.  We see this every year at every level of college sports. But these press releases surprise me. You are going to run into these schools again. In the short term, you are going to need a non-conference schedule.  In the long term, the forever shifting winds will cause additional realignment and you are likely to find yourself bargaining with the same people just at a different table.

I don't really get the shade being thrown either.  You'd think they would behave like adults but then again...  The only thing Southwestern really said in theirs was the usual stuff of wanting to be in a conference with like high academic schools. 

On the other hand, Ozarks actually has more conference championships in the ASC than Sul Ross and LeTourneau do (as of 2022)
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on May 16, 2023, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on May 15, 2023, 08:57:06 PM
Southwestern did the same thing a couple years ago when it decided to move its football from the ASC to the SAA. Honestly, did we ever feel like Ozarks really fit in with the ASC though? Honestly, they tend to have a much more similar set up to Schreiner, than say, ETBU or UMHB or HSU. It's 100% a shot at the more athletic-oriented schools in the league, but I always thought it was just a matter of time before Ozarks found its way to the SCAC. They were never really competitive in any sports in the ASC, besides MBB in 2020-21.

I am completely unfamiliar with University of the Ozarks except that it is in Arkansas and they announced yesterday that they are moving their athletics to the SCAC. Whether they were competitive in the ASC or will be in the SCAC, I don't know.

What I find surprisingg is that schools leaving the ASC keep taking barely veiled shots at their soon to be former conference mates. I recall the McMurry announcement being more along the lines of the Ozarks announcement yesterday.  I don't remember (or maybe never read) Southwestern's announcement when they moved football conferences.

I can understand a school wanting to move conferences for numerous reasons.  We see this every year at every level of college sports. But these press releases surprise me. You are going to run into these schools again. In the short term, you are going to need a non-conference schedule.  In the long term, the forever shifting winds will cause additional realignment and you are likely to find yourself bargaining with the same people just at a different table.

I don't really get the shade being thrown either.  You'd think they would behave like adults but then again...  The only thing Southwestern really said in theirs was the usual stuff of wanting to be in a conference with like high academic schools. 

On the other hand, Ozarks actually has more conference championships in the ASC than Sul Ross and LeTourneau do (as of 2022)

Agreed.  I would put a comment like going to a conference with high academic schools in the column of throwing shade too. That implies that your former conference did not have high academic schools or standards.  Could anything be more insulting to an institution of higher education?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TheChucker on May 16, 2023, 02:37:30 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 01:52:26 PM
Quote from: Etchglow on May 16, 2023, 10:56:26 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 10:41:39 AM
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on May 15, 2023, 08:57:06 PM
Southwestern did the same thing a couple years ago when it decided to move its football from the ASC to the SAA. Honestly, did we ever feel like Ozarks really fit in with the ASC though? Honestly, they tend to have a much more similar set up to Schreiner, than say, ETBU or UMHB or HSU. It's 100% a shot at the more athletic-oriented schools in the league, but I always thought it was just a matter of time before Ozarks found its way to the SCAC. They were never really competitive in any sports in the ASC, besides MBB in 2020-21.

I am completely unfamiliar with University of the Ozarks except that it is in Arkansas and they announced yesterday that they are moving their athletics to the SCAC. Whether they were competitive in the ASC or will be in the SCAC, I don't know.

What I find surprisingg is that schools leaving the ASC keep taking barely veiled shots at their soon to be former conference mates. I recall the McMurry announcement being more along the lines of the Ozarks announcement yesterday.  I don't remember (or maybe never read) Southwestern's announcement when they moved football conferences.

I can understand a school wanting to move conferences for numerous reasons.  We see this every year at every level of college sports. But these press releases surprise me. You are going to run into these schools again. In the short term, you are going to need a non-conference schedule.  In the long term, the forever shifting winds will cause additional realignment and you are likely to find yourself bargaining with the same people just at a different table.

I don't really get the shade being thrown either.  You'd think they would behave like adults but then again...  The only thing Southwestern really said in theirs was the usual stuff of wanting to be in a conference with like high academic schools. 

On the other hand, Ozarks actually has more conference championships in the ASC than Sul Ross and LeTourneau do (as of 2022)

Agreed.  I would put a comment like going to a conference with high academic schools in the column of throwing shade too. That implies that your former conference did not have high academic schools or standards.  Could anything be more insulting to an institution of higher education?

The public narrative is just another way of saying they can't, or won't, spend the money to be competitive at a high level. There are plenty of "high academics" that do well in D3 including their conference-mate down the road at Trinity.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TheChucker on May 16, 2023, 02:52:52 PM
My question is which of the remaining ASC schools would the SCAC court? My gut tells me Howard Payne and Letourneau are viewed as similar schools (though Letourneau is growing unlike most of the SCAC schools so maybe not), ETBU and Hardin Simmons would be on the bubble, while UMHB and UTD are completely non-starters.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on May 16, 2023, 03:17:16 PM
Quote from: TheChucker on May 16, 2023, 02:52:52 PM
My question is which of the remaining ASC schools would the SCAC court? My gut tells me Howard Payne and Letourneau are viewed as similar schools (though Letourneau is growing unlike most of the SCAC schools so maybe not), ETBU and Hardin Simmons would be on the bubble, while UMHB and UTD are completely non-starters.

How mad is McMurry if the SCAC ask HSU to join? McMurry may have been running from the likes of UMHB and UTD but they definitely had reason to run from HSU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: TheChucker on May 16, 2023, 02:52:52 PM
My question is which of the remaining ASC schools would the SCAC court? My gut tells me Howard Payne and Letourneau are viewed as similar schools (though Letourneau is growing unlike most of the SCAC schools so maybe not), ETBU and Hardin Simmons would be on the bubble, while UMHB and UTD are completely non-starters.

That is a good question.  I suspect there will be discussions (if they have not already ocurred) with Howard Payne, ETBU and Hardin Simmons, and probably even UMHB. But what I expect is Lyons to move all their sports to the SCAC.  With Ozarks in the fold, that makes sense to me.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2023, 03:57:45 PM
Batesville AR (Lyon) is 164 miles, 2 hours 40 minutes, ENE of Clarksville AR (Ozarks).

McMurry to Batesville is  590 miles (8 hours 55 mins).
Schreiner to Batesville is 671 miles (11 hours 15 minutes).
TLU to Batesville is is 643 miles (10 hours 25 minutes).

I remember the grumbling by McMurry fans about the trip to Mississippi College, 574 miles, 8 hours 26 minutes, and Belhaven in Jackson MS, 583 miles, 8 hours 36 minutes.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2023, 04:05:09 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 10:41:39 AM
I recall the McMurry announcement being more along the lines of the Ozarks announcement yesterday. 

McMurry's current administration has had a different perspective on intercollegiate athletics from the administration of Dr Shimp, who guided the move to D3, and then Dr Russell, under whom NCAA postseason appearances were common in many sports. McMurry has infrequently appeared in any post-season conference tourneys since the return to D-3 (except for frequent championships in T&F and XC).
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 04:51:31 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on May 16, 2023, 03:57:45 PM
Batesville AR (Lyon) is 164 miles, 2 hours 40 minutes, ENE of Clarksville AR (Ozarks).

McMurry to Batesville is  590 miles (8 hours 55 mins).
Schreiner to Batesville is 671 miles (11 hours 15 minutes).
TLU to Batesville is is 643 miles (10 hours 25 minutes).

I remember the grumbling by McMurry fans about the trip to Mississippi College, 574 miles, 8 hours 26 minutes, and Belhaven in Jackson MS, 583 miles, 8 hours 36 minutes.

And Colorado College and Ozarks is close? This same mileage was pointed out when we were discussing where Lyons' football team would land.  It still ended up in the SCAC. 

The SCAC handles travel very well to make it efficient and less disruptive of classes making sure that, when a team travels, they are visiting two conference schools over the same weekend (visiting one school, like St. Thomas, on Friday night, and then a second school, like Centenary, on Saturday or Sunday - the other "pairs" are currently Trinity/Schreiner, TLU/SW, Austin/Dallas and Colorado (Colorado hosts two teams back-to-back and those teams only have the one game at Colorado that week)). For Volleyball, they use pods where 4 or more teams are present and play multiple matches against the other teams present at that pod. For baseball and softball, traditional 3 game series are used with a Friday night game and a double header Saturday. Thus, your Softball and Baseball team will travel to play Centenary for three games but will hosts St. Thomas another weekend. You are never returning to the same region of the conference more than once during the regular season.

The same would be done for Lyons and Ozarks with teams visiting one on Friday and the next on Saturday/Sunday. If the conference is willing to invite Ozarks, I don't see why they would be opposed to Lyons and the way that the conference structures its schedules, Lyons makes abundant sense with the addition of Ozarks.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on May 17, 2023, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: TheChucker on May 16, 2023, 02:52:52 PM
My question is which of the remaining ASC schools would the SCAC court? My gut tells me Howard Payne and Letourneau are viewed as similar schools (though Letourneau is growing unlike most of the SCAC schools so maybe not), ETBU and Hardin Simmons would be on the bubble, while UMHB and UTD are completely non-starters.

That is a good question.  I suspect there will be discussions (if they have not already ocurred) with Howard Payne, ETBU and Hardin Simmons, and probably even UMHB. But what I expect is Lyons to move all their sports to the SCAC.  With Ozarks in the fold, that makes sense to me.

My expectation is that UMHB, HSU, UTD, and probably ETBU are nowhere in the conversation. UMHB especially, but the other three would also be extreme long shots from what I've heard. The only ones that might *possibly* be considered for expansion are LeTourneau and HPU, but my understanding is that those schools think they align better, from a religious/philosophical standpoint, with schools like ETBU, HSU, and UMHB, so I'd be a little surprised. LeTourneau feels like the highest likelihood but I'm not expecting it. Lyon becoming a full member will definitely at least be in the conversation.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: cush on May 19, 2023, 12:12:04 PM
Lyon and and getting Texas Wesleyan to reclassify would be the best moves. I also wonder if college of the ozarks would ever join D3
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Based on how C of the O's tenure in the NAIA ended, I don't think they'd be a good fit for D3.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on May 19, 2023, 01:40:29 PM
Quote from: cush on May 19, 2023, 12:12:04 PM
Lyon and and getting Texas Wesleyan to reclassify would be the best moves. I also wonder if college of the ozarks would ever join D3
TWU came and went in the ASC in 1 year when TWU reclassified in about 2000. They would have been the 16th member of the ASC that time.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaller on May 19, 2023, 06:33:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Based on how C of the O's tenure in the NAIA ended, I don't think they'd be a good fit for D3.

I'm in the dark on this— how did it end?
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on May 21, 2023, 12:03:13 PM
Quote from: jaller on May 19, 2023, 06:33:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Based on how C of the O's tenure in the NAIA ended, I don't think they'd be a good fit for D3.

I'm in the dark on this— how did it end?


Guessing this is what Pat was referring to.

https://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/2021/03/12/college-ozarks-ending-its-relationship-naia/4678247001/
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Inkblot on May 21, 2023, 08:45:33 PM
They're rejoining the NAIA this year.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jaller on May 22, 2023, 05:20:06 AM
Quote from: crufootball on May 21, 2023, 12:03:13 PM
Quote from: jaller on May 19, 2023, 06:33:32 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on May 19, 2023, 01:21:17 PM
Based on how C of the O's tenure in the NAIA ended, I don't think they'd be a good fit for D3.

I'm in the dark on this— how did it end?


Guessing this is what Pat was referring to.

https://www.news-leader.com/story/sports/2021/03/12/college-ozarks-ending-its-relationship-naia/4678247001/

Interesting. Thanks for the link
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 02, 2023, 08:18:47 AM
For those wondering where Schreiner is finding the funds to start a football program, noted in passing today in a Kerr County Lead (https://kerrcountylead.com/) newsletter was that the school either recently sold or is in the process of selling 200 acres to homebuilder Lennar.   It doesn't seem to quite be a done deal as the P&Z commission is not crazy about Lennar's plans to build half the homes in the development on 2750 square foot lots.  P&Z only approved if such development was limited to 40% but the Kerrville City Council will have the final say now that P&Z has passed this amended proposal. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on June 02, 2023, 06:24:16 PM
SCAC agrees to a five year contract extension with Dwayne Hanberry.

https://www.scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/hanberry_contract_extension

Seems like a stamp of approval on the recent moves the conference has taken.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 02, 2023, 09:13:58 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on June 02, 2023, 06:24:16 PM
SCAC agrees to a five year contract extension with Dwayne Hanberry.

https://www.scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/hanberry_contract_extension

Seems like a stamp of approval on the recent moves the conference has taken.

Must have been D3 commissioner day in the south as the SAA also named their new commish today.

This is a smart move and you have to wonder if the SCAC presidents were worried the ASC would make Dwayne an offer he couldn't refuse, seeing how they are in need of someone to pull a rabbit out of the hat like he did when the SAA split left a total of five teams in the SCAC.  And having CTX and Ozarks in the pipeline when Trinity's and Southwestern's departures were in the rumor stage was genius. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2023, 03:07:09 PM
Here's an update from Centenary (https://gocentenary.com/sports/fball/2022-23/releases/20230607jguvxr) as they head towards varsity football in 2024.

- 75 committed to play in the fall
- offering 2024 athletes
- scrimmage against ETBU Aug 24, Millsaps Aug 19
- four home games in September against small schools and semi-pro teams (I think)
- away games include at Lyon Oct 22 and at TLU (JV)
- some staff has been hired, rest expected by early July

Given Centenary's tiny enrollment (somewhere in the mid-500s, around 40% male), an additional 75 men (though some may have come anyway or are students already there) is huge.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on June 07, 2023, 03:26:56 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on June 07, 2023, 03:07:09 PM
Here's an update from Centenary (https://gocentenary.com/sports/fball/2022-23/releases/20230607jguvxr) as they head towards varsity football in 2024.

- 75 committed to play in the fall
- offering 2024 athletes
- scrimmage against ETBU Aug 24, Millsaps Aug 19
- four home games in September against small schools and semi-pro teams (I think)
- away games include at Lyon Oct 22 and at TLU (JV)
- some staff has been hired, rest expected by early July

Given Centenary's tiny enrollment (somewhere in the mid-500s, around 40% male), an additional 75 men (though some may have come anyway or are students already there) is huge.

I realize it isn't that different than 2 games in 7 days but 2 scrimmages in 5 days when you probably won't have the full 75 at that point seems like it could be a problem.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Mavchamp on July 29, 2023, 04:41:51 PM
Quote from: jekelish on May 17, 2023, 11:48:38 AM
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 16, 2023, 03:35:00 PM
Quote from: TheChucker on May 16, 2023, 02:52:52 PM
My question is which of the remaining ASC schools would the SCAC court? My gut tells me Howard Payne and Letourneau are viewed as similar schools (though Letourneau is growing unlike most of the SCAC schools so maybe not), ETBU and Hardin Simmons would be on the bubble, while UMHB and UTD are completely non-starters.

That is a good question.  I suspect there will be discussions (if they have not already ocurred) with Howard Payne, ETBU and Hardin Simmons, and probably even UMHB. But what I expect is Lyons to move all their sports to the SCAC.  With Ozarks in the fold, that makes sense to me.

My expectation is that UMHB, HSU, UTD, and probably ETBU are nowhere in the conversation. UMHB especially, but the other three would also be extreme long shots from what I've heard. The only ones that might *possibly* be considered for expansion are LeTourneau and HPU, but my understanding is that those schools think they align better, from a religious/philosophical standpoint, with schools like ETBU, HSU, and UMHB, so I'd be a little surprised. LeTourneau feels like the highest likelihood but I'm not expecting it. Lyon becoming a full member will definitely at least be in the conversation.
I totally get why the SCAC would be reluctant to adding UMHB and HSU given their domination in football for the last 20 years.....

But curious about the reluctance with HPU and ETBU.

Their enrollments and facilites are comparable to other members.

Academically they would be middle of the road in the conference....not elite, but neither at the bottom.

Long standing rivalries with many in the SCAC.

I've heard HPU might be headed towards some tough financial times......but ETBU is in great shape.  They have seen record enrollments each of the last 4-5 Fall semesters.  Adding more degrees and the campus is growing and upgrading at a rapid pace.  Acceptance rate is 64%, which makes them much more competitive than many in the ASC.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on July 31, 2023, 09:39:57 AM
Quote from: Mavchamp on July 29, 2023, 04:41:51 PM
I totally get why the SCAC would be reluctant to adding UMHB and HSU given their domination in football for the last 20 years.....

But curious about the reluctance with HPU and ETBU.

Their enrollments and facilites are comparable to other members.

Academically they would be middle of the road in the conference....not elite, but neither at the bottom.

Long standing rivalries with many in the SCAC.

I've heard HPU might be headed towards some tough financial times......but ETBU is in great shape.  They have seen record enrollments each of the last 4-5 Fall semesters.  Adding more degrees and the campus is growing and upgrading at a rapid pace.  Acceptance rate is 64%, which makes them much more competitive than many in the ASC.

I agree.  I thought the initial push by the SCAC was to shore up numbers to bring football back.  Well...that just pushed Trinity and Southwestern out the door.  I would even invite UMHB and HSU.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 10:41:31 AM
IMO the SCAC football decision had little to do with Trinity and SW moving to the SAA.  Trinity especially is focused on the "national" vs "regional"  Carnegie classification distinction (which changed about 18 months ago) and the SAA move allows them to associate with a bunch of other "national" schools.  Southwestern similarly is a "national" college as classified by Carnegie looking to distinguish themselves from other Texas small colleges.  I don't think they make the move if Trinity doesn't, nor does the SAA bring in just one school in Texas due to travel complications.

This was also a preservational move by the SAA who at the time were unsure about the future of Birmingham-Southern (there are still questions) plus rumblings that at least one other college has financial challenges.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on July 31, 2023, 11:15:42 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 10:41:31 AM
IMO the SCAC football decision had little to do with Trinity and SW moving to the SAA.  Trinity especially is focused on the "national" vs "regional"  Carnegie classification distinction (which changed about 18 months ago) and the SAA move allows them to associate with a bunch of other "national" schools.  Southwestern similarly is a "national" college as classified by Carnegie looking to distinguish themselves from other Texas small colleges.  I don't think they make the move if Trinity doesn't, nor does the SAA bring in just one school in Texas due to travel complications.

This was also a preservational move by the SAA who at the time were unsure about the future of Birmingham-Southern (there are still questions) plus rumblings that at least one other college has financial challenges.

Do you think Trinity and SW still move to the SAA if the SCAC was not looking to expand its membership with schools like McMurry, Lyons, Concordia and Ozarks?  Or was the SCAC's moves more about preservation anticipating Trinity and Southwestern leaving? 

I don't disagree with your statements but I do think the moves the SCAC have made were part of the reasons Trinity and Southwestern are moving to the SAA. 

Does the SAA have more "national" schools?  I hear you on the Carnegie classification but I am not sure I understand the distinction between "regional" and "national".  In my opinion, there are very few D3 schools that have a "national" market.  Trinity is probably one of them but there are very few.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on July 31, 2023, 11:23:45 AM
There is probably something to SCAC expansion helping push TU/SW towards the SAA.  Not sure if Concordia/Ozarks were in the pipeline early enough to be a factor, but the SCAC Presidents Council was almost certainly aware expansion was on the table and there are only so many possibilities.  It's generally accepted LeTU was offered by the SCAC but declined (prior to the recent ASC diaspora).

As to whether Concordia/Ozarks were reactionary, it happened pretty darned quickly after the SAA announcement to be the case but Dwayne Hanberry is a wizard, so I wouldn't rule it out. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on July 31, 2023, 01:28:31 PM
Let us remember that TU and Southwestern have been members of the Associated Colleges of the South for a few decades now.

Look at that membership. That describes each university's mission and vision.

https://www.acsouth.edu/about-acs/acs-colleges/

Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2023, 03:53:54 PM
In news of a future SCAC participant, according to their website Centenary scrimmaged at Millsaps last weekend and came out on the winning side of a 14-6 result (https://www.gocentenary.com/sports/fball/2023-24/schedule).  They face ETBU  Thursday in what is apparently another scrimmage. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: TLU02SA on August 22, 2023, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2023, 03:53:54 PM
In news of a future SCAC participant, according to their website Centenary scrimmaged at Millsaps last weekend and came out on the winning side of a 14-6 result (https://www.gocentenary.com/sports/fball/2023-24/schedule).  They face ETBU  Thursday in what is apparently another scrimmage.

Your link sent me down a rabbit trail of the opponents listed on Centenary's "schedule" this year.  You have the expected NAIA opponent, scrimmages with DIII teams, games against DIII JV teams but also a few other teams that I find harder to categorize. 

Community Christian College, John Melvin, Haywood Crusaders, TWA College??????? I find very little on the first three and do not see that they are affiliated with any sort of college athletic organization.  TWA College describes itself (https://twacollege.org/twa-college) as "a privately owned college think tank focused on the student athlete looking to utilize the delayed enrollment rule; while competing against collegiate competition."  The website says that the athletes classes are at Austin Community College.  When you click on their "Athletics" tab (https://twacollege.org/athletics), they only list a football schedule. This is just a club team, unaffiliated with any college that some guy is trying to make a profit. Just seems gross to me.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Etchglow on August 22, 2023, 05:42:35 PM
Quote from: TLU02SA on August 22, 2023, 05:12:00 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2023, 03:53:54 PM
In news of a future SCAC participant, according to their website Centenary scrimmaged at Millsaps last weekend and came out on the winning side of a 14-6 result (https://www.gocentenary.com/sports/fball/2023-24/schedule).  They face ETBU  Thursday in what is apparently another scrimmage.

Your link sent me down a rabbit trail of the opponents listed on Centenary's "schedule" this year.  You have the expected NAIA opponent, scrimmages with DIII teams, games against DIII JV teams but also a few other teams that I find harder to categorize. 

Community Christian College, John Melvin, Haywood Crusaders, TWA College??????? I find very little on the first three and do not see that they are affiliated with any sort of college athletic organization.  TWA College describes itself (https://twacollege.org/twa-college) as "a privately owned college think tank focused on the student athlete looking to utilize the delayed enrollment rule; while competing against collegiate competition."  The website says that the athletes classes are at Austin Community College.  When you click on their "Athletics" tab (https://twacollege.org/athletics), they only list a football schedule. This is just a club team, unaffiliated with any college that some guy is trying to make a profit. Just seems gross to me.


Community Christian College is a pay to play team somewhere in the process to join the the NJCAA.  They're based out of Redlands California and only have played 2 NJCAA games over the last two seasons.
See:

Football site (https://www.cccollege.edu/football-on-campus)
Fees (https://www.cccollege.edu/sport-fees)
NJCAA Stats (https://www.njcaa.org/sports/fball/2021-22/div1/teams/communitychristiancollege)


John Melvin was founded in 2021, sounds like their "conference" is a club conference and they were sort of founded because the founders were mad at the NAIA schools.  I think their goal is to go NAIA. Who knows if they make it...  Their website looks like it was designed by a HS kid in the 90's.

For Haywood Crusaders...  I found this on Reddit:

QuoteHaywood Crusaders, based out of Brownsville, Tennessee, were the surprise program this season: We can't find any version of their name using University, College, Institute, anything other than "Haywood Crusaders" (Brownsville is in Haywood County); they are the McLovin of college football. Morthland tossed a "Prep." in their recap, but I can't find it anywhere else, including this local paper that did little to no critical examination of them in a puff piece (because real journalism is too hard to do anymore). Incidentally, their logo is ripped straight off of Holy Cross, they didn't even bother to change the color.

Date   Team   Score   Assoc.   Conf
10/15   @ Malone   L, 50-0†   NCAAD2   G-MAC
11/12   @ Morthland   L, 52-0‡   NCCAA   Ind.
Record 0-2, outscored 102-0
† Originally scheduled as College of Faith (AR); University of Faith (FL) actually showed up to play
‡ Where Morthland originally only had College of Faith (AR), that game was a forfeit and, a month later, a game vs CoF-affiliated Haywood was scheduled in

EDIT: this preview in Malone's local newspaper came to the correct conclusion. Good work by that writer seeing a team they couldn't explain on the schedule and then working out who exactly they were rather than simply glossing over it (or making up info, which I've seen before).

Reddit Source (https://www.reddit.com/r/CFB/comments/5h0a23/catchingup_with_the_fake_schools_that_played/)


TWA College sounds like one of those sketchy places where kids go and pay to play for a few years but don't lose eligibility.  Also allows them to raise their grades so they might be able to get into school.  One of those popped up in the last few years in Killeen.  I remember being surprised because former UMHB QB Carl Robinson III (left in 2018) was playing QB for them.  They were "supposed" to play the UMHB JV squad, but the game got cancelled...
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 22, 2023, 05:50:55 PM
These are all just "games" or scrimmages they are playing to get ready for actual competition next season, though they do have a few legit schools JVs and may have an actual game to end the season against Lyon; that's the only one not marked "exhibition", and the game is on Lyon's calendar.

It seems like an awful lot for a Year 1.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 24, 2023, 11:40:31 AM
Here's an update from Centenary on tonight's scrimmage against ETBU, which will be live streamed (the link is on the web page):  https://www.gocentenary.com/sports/fball/2023-24/releases/20230823ntahsh

If I don't want to fight the traffic to Seguin for Trinity's scrimmage against TLU I may have a look. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 24, 2023, 03:08:47 PM
I'm genuinely a little surprised that ETBU is cool with them streaming a scrimmage. I don't know if it's ETBU's JV team, or a combination of their regular and a JV squad, but one would assume they'll be using the same playbook anyway. So opposing coaches are basically getting brand new film on them before the season even begins. Given how notoriously close to the vest football coaches tend to be (see: the gamesmanship with 2-deeps, etc), it really is an unexpected move, to me.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: crufootball on August 26, 2023, 05:52:57 PM
Quote from: jekelish on August 24, 2023, 03:08:47 PM
I'm genuinely a little surprised that ETBU is cool with them streaming a scrimmage. I don't know if it's ETBU's JV team, or a combination of their regular and a JV squad, but one would assume they'll be using the same playbook anyway. So opposing coaches are basically getting brand new film on them before the season even begins. Given how notoriously close to the vest football coaches tend to be (see: the gamesmanship with 2-deeps, etc), it really is an unexpected move, to me.

They heard you, its now gone haha
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 29, 2023, 12:31:59 PM
Tucker Horn was named one of the "[f]ive most important [Texan] Non-FBS players in 2023" by Cory Hogue in today's edition of DCTF's "The Blitz (https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2023/08/30/the-blitz?ref=article_preview_title)".  His counterpart at UMHB, Jackson Tingler, is the other D3 player on the list. 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2023, 09:26:38 AM
Here I was, hoping to get away from this damned Texas heat for a weekend, and what's the high supposed to be in Collegeville on Saturday?  94, and it keeps going up.

94 isn't the 104 we've had here more often than not this summer, but geez.
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: jekelish on August 30, 2023, 09:33:31 AM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on August 30, 2023, 09:26:38 AM
Here I was, hoping to get away from this damned Texas heat for a weekend, and what's the high supposed to be in Collegeville on Saturday?  94, and it keeps going up.

94 isn't the 104 we've had here more often than not this summer, but geez.

Similar thing going on in North Texas, as well; a couple days ago, it was looking like it might be in the 90-94 range for Austin College's home opener but now the high is 97. It's a good thing they decided to move the game from 1 to 7 PM.
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Post by: umhb2001 on August 30, 2023, 10:20:00 AM
What is the fan's take on the conference realignment? I know what the thoughts are from a Crusader perspective. I'd like to hear from those outside of CruNation.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2023, 11:08:50 PM
Centenary tweets (https://x.com/gocentenary/status/1698883038174740767?s=46&t=oc0mz4VWUxBymGSQktvcSw) that they defeated the UMHB JV tonight, 34-27.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on September 04, 2023, 11:18:39 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2023, 11:08:50 PM
Centenary tweets (https://x.com/gocentenary/status/1698883038174740767?s=46&t=oc0mz4VWUxBymGSQktvcSw) that they defeated the UMHB JV tonight, 34-27.

Is that the only new team that will be playing in this conference?  I don't remember, but seemed like there was another.
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Post by: Pat Coleman on September 04, 2023, 11:34:28 PM
Schreiner is starting up football as well.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on September 04, 2023, 11:35:11 PM
Lyon and Schreiner (tho I haven't seen much evidence of the latter getting a program going) as well as McMurry, TLU, Austin.  Supposedly 4 teams next year and six by 2026.

I would not be surprised to see St. Thomas add football at some point given the trajectory their men's sports programs are on.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on September 05, 2023, 07:35:25 AM
I went looking for any kind of information on Schreiner's web site regarding their nascent football program and found nothing other than the initial announcement detailing that they intended to start play in 2025.  I did find this site (https://marmonmok.com/projects/schreiner-university-athletics-master-plan/) detailing a campus master plan for athletics of which a new football stadium would be built in phase 4.  It's the same firm that worked with Trinity on their expansion of the Bell Center/Calgaard Gymnasium a few years back, but the scope of this work is much larger.
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Post by: BSCpanthers on September 19, 2023, 12:47:29 PM
SCAC starts playing football next season, correct???  This will really open up some schedules for more out of conference games, hopefully teams don't have a problem getting those schedules filled. 
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Post by: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2023, 04:46:21 PM
If they do what they did the last time they had four teams (all that committed to start in 2024 in the initial announcement) it will be a double-round robin so the participants will have four non-conference games each to fill. 
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Post by: Ralph Turner on September 20, 2023, 01:34:15 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on September 19, 2023, 04:46:21 PM
If they do what they did the last time they had four teams (all that committed to start in 2024 in the initial announcement) it will be a double-round robin so the participants will have four non-conference games each to fill.
... which in this part of the country is challenging.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on October 01, 2023, 03:35:25 PM
With Centenary resuming varsity football next season, I thought would share this link. Centenary is in the NCAA record book.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1939_Texas_Tech_vs._Centenary_football_game
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 13, 2023, 09:48:01 AM
Two future SCAC foes faced off this weekend and it was Centenary's JV team coming out on top of Lyon, 27-10 (https://lyonscots.com/news/2023/11/11/football-scots-football-falls-to-centenary-college-27-10-in-season-finale.aspx), at Lyon. 

Going to be interesting to see Centenary and McMurry battle it out for the renewed SCAC championship next year.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2023, 03:07:34 PM
The SCAC will have five teams next season, not four as TLU comes home a year earlier than expected:

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2023/11/21/texas-lutheran-football-to-join-the-scac-for-the-2024-season

Will make non-conference scheduling easier for the SCAC schools who will only need two - but a mess for the remaining ASC schools.
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Post by: Ralph Turner on November 21, 2023, 05:41:34 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2023, 03:07:34 PM
The SCAC will have five teams next season, not four as TLU comes home a year earlier than expected:

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2023/11/21/texas-lutheran-football-to-join-the-scac-for-the-2024-season

Will make non-conference scheduling easier for the SCAC schools who will only need two - but a mess for the remaining ASC schools.
So, how much arm-twisting would it take to convince Schreiner to start up in Fall 2024?
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 21, 2023, 06:34:51 PM
They don't even have a coach yet.  Pretty impossible given the way schools recruit now.  The SCAC release says "2025 or 2026" and the former is a year sooner than the original plan if it comes true.
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Post by: crufootball on November 27, 2023, 04:49:31 PM
Obviously things are not good in the ASC but what is the incentive for TLU to leave a year early?
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Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2023, 04:58:51 PM
Rather than that, what's the incentive for them to stay? They are SCAC in everything else and the ASC is a dead end right now in football.
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Post by: crufootball on November 27, 2023, 06:10:09 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2023, 04:58:51 PM
Rather than that, what's the incentive for them to stay? They are SCAC in everything else and the ASC is a dead end right now in football.

Well I admit that I had forgotten that the SCAC was doing the round robin schedule so TLU won't have the scheduling difficulties of the ASC anymore but then they have no direct path to the AQ. Add to that there has been almost as much info on the future of the ASC as there has been about the future of the Schreiner football so that direct path may or may not be coming soon.
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Post by: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2023, 06:28:37 PM
They don't really have a path to the AQ in the ASC, though.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on November 27, 2023, 06:53:04 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on November 27, 2023, 06:28:37 PM
They don't really have a path to the AQ in the ASC, though.

Agree.  The SCAC champion can (in theory, at least) be 10-0 and have at least a prayer of a Pool C bid.  As history has shown TLU in the ASC will never have even that. 
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Post by: D3Navy on December 01, 2023, 11:48:37 AM
Trinity DB Trey King looking for another school for his final year of eligibility.

https://twitter.com/treyking08/status/1730622261596504102
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Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2023, 12:14:05 PM
How much did Trey King play?

Is he that good that he could get a scholarship and NIL money at a D-2 or low D-1 school to offset the expense of a Trinity education?

Thanks.

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Post by: D3Navy on December 01, 2023, 12:25:54 PM
King was a multi-year starter, senior captain, all-SAA three times, all-region this year.  He's a quality player.

I have no insight into his motivation, but a LOT of seniors stayed around from last year and I'm sure the loss to NCC was quite deflating.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on December 01, 2023, 03:59:36 PM
The tweet says "graduate transfer" so I imagine he'll have his degree.  The graduate options at Trinity are very limited (teaching/education and healthcare administration, I believe, and his bio says he's a Communications major). 
Title: Re: FB: Southern Collegiate Athletic Conference
Post by: Ralph Turner on December 01, 2023, 05:27:52 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on December 01, 2023, 03:59:36 PM
The tweet says "graduate transfer" so I imagine he'll have his degree.  The graduate options at Trinity are very limited (teaching/education and healthcare administration, I believe, and his bio says he's a Communications major).
Thanks to both of you. That makes sense. Best wishes to him.
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Post by: The Third Division on February 20, 2024, 10:33:54 AM
Scac won't have an auto bid until 2026 when Schreiner starts varsity football.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on February 22, 2024, 08:26:12 AM
Speaking of Schreiner, the Kerr County Lead, a local media outlet in Kerrville TX, will be interviewing Schreiner AD Bill Raleigh about where they are in the HC and football startup process at 9AM CT today (2/22) on their Youtube channel:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtganpS9gs4 (updated link) - available now.

Starts around the 37 minute point.  Confirms 2025 JV year, says >100 HC applicants so far.  Shooting for hire around April 1 or "by the end of the school year."  Home games at Tivy HS for foreseeable future.  Break ground on weight room/lockers this summer.
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Post by: Ron Boerger on February 23, 2024, 05:39:49 PM
And here's the job posting (https://ncaamarket.ncaa.org/jobs/19717742/head-football-coach), if anyone is interested.  Salary is listed at $80-$90k, which seems like a decent amount for someone coaching at such a small school. 
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Post by: Riley Zayas on March 05, 2024, 03:04:03 PM
Insightful Q&A from Cory Hogue of Dave Campbell's Texas Football with SCAC commissioner Dwayne Hanberry was published today:

https://www.texasfootball.com/article/2024/03/04/the-scac-is-in-a-position-of-strength-heading-in-2024?ref=article_preview_title
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Post by: Mavchamp on March 05, 2024, 09:21:49 PM
Howard Payne and East Texas Baptist need to hope the SCAC will consider them.

My guess is that UMHB and HSU are headed to D2.