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#31
Quote from: jknezek on May 15, 2023, 05:20:26 PM
Quote from: crufootball on May 15, 2023, 05:01:47 PM

Man I really don't want to go D2 and at this point I just wish the SCAC would announce everyone they want and tell the rest of us, good luck.

It does feel like death by 1000 cuts right now for the ASC.

And what's interesting to me (not "interesting" I guess, but worth noting) is that unless schools like LETU and HPU find a landing spot, they're probably gonna be more out of luck than anyone else. I can't see either of them jumping up to D2, so unless they manage to get the SCAC to take them (or, again, the ASC pulls a rabbit out if its hat and gets some NAIA schools to jump), they're gonna be the ones left hanging out to dry since UMHB in particular, as well as possibly UTD, HSU, and ETBU, might be able to make the move to D2. Even if I don't expect that for each of them.
#32
Quote from: TLU02SA on May 15, 2023, 03:46:47 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:12:24 PM
Concordia, Ozarks to join SCAC in 24-25!

https://scacsports.com/news/2022-2023/scac_adds_concordia_and_ozarks

Interesting.  I always like to read the quotes from these press releases. They always stick them at the bottom of the article but I find them the most interesting.  The quotes from University of Ozarks are the most enlightening here:

1. "One of the main attractions for us is that all the SCAC member institutions are private, independent colleges, which aligns with schools who have similar philosophies, including fellow Presbyterian institutions Austin College and Schreiner University."

2. "To remain among institutions that live by the standard of academics first is an NCAA Division III principle that we hold in high regard."

3. "The SCAC gives us a stable NCAA Division III conference whose member colleges fit us better in regards to enrollment size and facilities."

Translation: "Peace out, Mary Hardin-Baylor."
#33
Quote from: Ron Boerger on May 15, 2023, 02:58:17 PM
By 2024 this will leave only six schools in the ASC if nothing changes between now and then.

CTX --> SCAC in 2024
ETBU
HSU
HPU
LeTU
UMHB
McM -> SCAC in 2024
Ozarks -> SCAC in 2024
Sul Ross -> D2 in 2024
UT Dallas  (and when do they follow in UT-Tyler's footsteps and go D2?)


Based on conversations I've had, I would be shocked if that ever becomes a legitimate option for UTD. From what I understand, they want no part of making that move.
#34
And now is when UMHB and HSU, in particular, are going to need to look long and hard at a move to D2, because their conference is dissolving right before their eyes. And while I wouldn't shut the door completely on them getting an invite somewhere D3 or the ASC adding people, there's a reason schools are trying to get away from them.
#35
Quote from: Ralph Turner on March 13, 2023, 07:34:09 PM
Quote from: TromboneJB on March 13, 2023, 04:43:18 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 13, 2023, 04:25:43 PM
Yeah, that's not gonna help, Amy Carlton is stepping down.

https://ascsports.org/news/2023/3/13/general-council-announces-carlton-stepping-away-from-asc-commissioner-role.aspx

Does her departure scream "the future of the ASC is done for"?
Or the SCAC picks up a bunch of schools, like CTX, UOZ, UTD, LeTU and goes to North and South Divisions.

I think something along those lines is much more likely. UMHB and HSU, and to a bit of a lesser extent ETBU, are programs I've heard some schools wouldn't mind getting away from.
#36
Quote from: Ron Boerger on March 01, 2023, 09:13:40 AM
Going back to the SAA commissioner search, apparently the role is, for whatever reason, now vacant as the search page says "{s}creening of candidates will begin March 13 and continue until the position is filled."

Jay is retiring
#37
Quote from: D3Navy on February 05, 2023, 06:24:28 PM
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 05, 2023, 04:57:53 PM
I couldn't get the live video to work on Chrome, the live stats never worked, but got it going in Edge just in time to see Colorado College knock off Trinity 70-64.   Will look forward to Riley's writeup (I'm sure he was watching) and the respective game stories.

In a nutshell, CC executed a great game plan - contest every 3-pointer and force Trinity inside.  TU shot 1-13 from 3-point land and the shots weren't dropping inside. 

A wake-up call.

CC has a great combination of size, experience, and outside shooting. I thought they'd challenge Trinity for the title this year, but was still a bit surprised they controlled the second half as much as they did. And that was even with Zoe Tomlinson barely playing.
#38
Quote from: Ron Boerger on February 03, 2023, 04:38:11 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on February 03, 2023, 02:25:43 PM
The SAA's formation was basically to get away from Trinity ...

Nah, or at least not just Trinity.  Remember that DePauw, not Trinity, won the SCAC Presidents' Trophy six straight years including the year the SAA was announced.   I truly think the straw that broke the camel's back was when the SCAC announced UDallas as an incoming member early in the 2010-11 school year.  That meant there would be five teams east of Arkansas (Austin, Colorado, Dallas, SW, TU) further complicating travel in most sports.

Colorado College is the straw the broke the original SCAC's back. Especially once they dropped softball and, more importantly, football.
#39
Quote from: jknezek on February 03, 2023, 11:22:34 AM
Ok... so some thoughts on this. Birmingham Southern is in deep, deep trouble. I give them less than 50% odds of making it at this point, just from the little bit I can gather around here and a recent look at the campus. The SAA has a football problem, and it's turning to Trinity. A school that has had some... interesting... history with the SAA and it's former SCAC member schools. It seems whenever the SAA is in a spot of trouble, Trinity helps bail them out. But when the SAA is healthy, they seem quite happy to let those long trips to San Antonio be someone else's problem. I get the Mission and Values cache of the SAA versus the SCAC schools, but you've played this game before. Why do it again?

I liken this to W&L and the ODAC. It's a bit of an odd fit by academic reputation and endowment, but a great fit geographically and by school type (private, liberal arts, mostly on the smaller side). I know W&L has had a roving eye at times, but it seems like it's always come down to putting those student-athletes on the bus and planes less, and in the classrooms more. Though I have no doubt it's also come down an inability to get an invite to where they really want to be, mainly because they'd be the geographic outlier (and maybe an attitude issue as well).

While Trinity aligning with the more well-known SAA schools might tickle an administrator's fancy, does it really matter to the student-athletes? I'm not so sure it does. So who are those schools really serving by moving to the SAA? It would help the SAA, but I'm not sure Trinity's players, especially those with seasons that are more than 10 games, are getting the better end of the deal.

I would be curious to know what the coaches in the SAA would think about bringing in Trinity - and not just in football. Trinity is a behemoth in most sports, so while the presidents no doubt like the way they fit from an academic and national recognition standpoint, it wouldn't surprise me if the coaches are a little more hesitant (not that they have any say in the matter) to bring in a school that's going to come in and probably win 50% of the championships pretty much every year.
#40
It's hitting north Texas, too. Austin College's campus is closed down, with worse weather expected as the week goes on. It's supposed to be better and warmer later in the week, but there's certainly a possibility the roads could still be hazardous for UST when they head to Sherman. Not sure if they're leaving Thursday, or Friday morning, but it's looking like Thursday might end up being a no-go based on current forecasts.  Friday is supposed to be in the high 40s/low 50s and sunny, so it should be cleared out by the weekend, however.
#41
Quote from: Ryan Scott (Hoops Fan) on January 26, 2023, 05:24:57 PM

Having now seen the video, I'm much more concerned with the overall incident than any individual words that may have been used.  I'm someone who believes a leader should be able to control themselves, even when experiencing extreme emotions.  There's a difference between yelling to motivate your team or wake them up and simply berating them.  This is very close to that line, if not over.

I'm not personally an advocate of yelling as a motivational technique.  If a coach does it too much, the players tune it out.

I would not want my daughter to be in the situation those players were in and I hope I'm raising her with enough confidence to walk out if she ever finds herself there.

All that to say, I don't think what he did in that video is outside the bounds of what could reasonably expected of a basketball coach.  I just personally don't think it should be in bounds for any basketball coach.

I agree with all of the above. And, while obviously I do not know for sure, I don't think it's a stretch to think that worse things were said and/or this was a pattern of behavior. I have only been in a gym with this coach a couple times, but one of those (in 2019) ended with him berating the opposing coach after the game to the point where the opposing coach's players stepped in between him and that coach because they thought he was about to get physical. This is something I witnessed firsthand, and not rumor or speculation.
#42
Quote from: justafan12 on January 20, 2023, 01:34:25 PM
Quote from: Ralph Turner on January 20, 2023, 11:58:45 AM
Quote from: Etchglow on January 19, 2023, 06:35:53 PM
Quote from: Pat Coleman on January 19, 2023, 06:18:29 PM
There are other sports beside football where perhaps that may be more accurate.

Even counting the other sports, you're going from an 8-10 member conference with an average travel distance of ~510 miles to a 17 member conference with an average travel distance of 430 miles.
Respectively, IMHO, SRSU and D-2 is mission/vision thing, a branding thing. In some circles, D-2 is a move up in prestige. That was part of the reason that UT-Tyler, which was a very successful D-3 program, was moved up to D-2 by the powers that be. The school has not added football, yet. I think that there may be resistance by the students to additional expense to fund football, in Texas no less. (After all, you can watch UT, A&M, LSU, etc. all you want on Saturday.)

It was my understanding that the UT System wants all of their schools to be at least D2.  That is why UT Dallas made the initial move several years ago.  Not sure why that was halted so maybe the UT folks backed off their wishes.

Yes, I've heard similar things. It's not just the UT system, either; the buzz I've heard is that, eventually, the hope is that all state universities in Texas will be D2 and above, which is part of why there was a push to get Sul Ross to make the jump. We'll see what happens with UTD down the road, but D2 (or even D1, given how big the school is and where it's located) is definitely not off the table.
#43
I just saw the footage from the end of the third quarter in the Southwestern/Schreiner game on Friday night and... oof. Tough sequence of events for the conference with what was essentially a bench clearing brawl (short-lived, but still, punches were thrown, players were tackled, players came off the bench, ejections were made, etc). Not a great look for either team, especially since the foul that incited it wasn't particularly dirty.
#44
Quote from: True To The Cru/Riley Zayas on January 10, 2023, 11:15:13 AM
Quote from: jekelish on January 10, 2023, 11:04:05 AM
Quote from: Fatherof4 on January 10, 2023, 07:36:34 AM
Southland seems very ambitious. I think UMHB in the Sooner conference (NAIA), or the Lone Star conference (D2) could compete for conference championships very early. I'm curious how the financial side of moving affects things. The travel alone in the Lone Star conference would seem to be a big deal. Regardless, change is going to happen in the next few years.

With regard to Southland, I know some people who work in that conference, and they've seen UMHB play. They've told me they think they'd be competitive in that conference quickly.
Probably the same for UTD, though being a state school, UTD would be the one I'd peg of those three as most likely to start football.

Based on what I've heard, it's extraordinarily unlikely that UTD would ever add football. So I wouldn't bet on it happening soon, if ever.
#45
Quote from: Fatherof4 on January 10, 2023, 07:36:34 AM
Southland seems very ambitious. I think UMHB in the Sooner conference (NAIA), or the Lone Star conference (D2) could compete for conference championships very early. I'm curious how the financial side of moving affects things. The travel alone in the Lone Star conference would seem to be a big deal. Regardless, change is going to happen in the next few years.

With regard to Southland, I know some people who work in that conference, and they've seen UMHB play. They've told me they think they'd be competitive in that conference quickly.